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We got new information about that leftist who got killed in New York City, and there's
a lot to add to it because there's some corrections that I want to make and some points I want to make.
We watched the video, of course, uncensored of how it all went down.
And Andy Ngo has this tweet, which I will I will bring up for you.
And let me. There we go. All right. Where are we at?
So Andy Ngo tweets, the police do not protect you. ACAB BLM. Ryan Carson's girlfriend, Claudia V. Morales, is a cop hating BLM activist.
She was at a BLM riot in Boston 2020, blaming police for violence when they tried to arrest rioters.
There's rumors going around. I don't know if these are true, that she refused to give a description of the police of the murderer.
And they are now looking for this guy.
What I want to add is last night I said, you know, this lady did not know basic first aid and she just stood there and watched her boyfriend die, which is true.
But there are a lot of questions that have arisen due to the money she's making. And,
you know, I got questions. I got questions. Apparently she's raised $54,000 already.
Here's the full video, right? We're not actually playing.
I'm just going to describe it, right?
These two people are sitting on a bus facing businesses, not the street, at 4 a.m.
This woman has her hands in her face and is looking down, and this guy is also looking down.
At no point do either of them look up at the guy who's walking past.
They get up from the bus bench and begin walking away.
The argument or the story
being told by a lot of people is they're waiting for a bus. They clearly were not waiting for a bus.
They had just got back from a wedding. I wonder if they were breaking up. That's why they're
sitting on a bench at four in the morning and she's got her hands over her face and they weren't
really waiting for a bus. I wonder if what really happened was that they were like sitting, you know they're getting back from the wedding they're
talking and they say we need to talk and they end up sitting outside having a long conversation or
something like that happened i don't know for sure but they get up from the bus stop and start
walking towards this guy after he gets stabbed she does nothing i kind of don't think she cared
about the guy she doesn't act surprised it would explain some of the actions happening right now.
And I think, you know, we definitely need more context to exactly what was happening here.
I think I want to hear her side of the story.
But the camera, the surveillance footage does say a lot.
I think it's fair to assume that they were probably, you know, drunk, that they had some alcohol, that they weren't kind of coherent.
It's four o'clock in the morning.
They could be just also exhausted and tired after partying and hammered and drunk and just having their hands in their face after traveling, you know, from Long Island, which is a long trek from New York City.
People are sharing a picture where it is allegedly her in front of a license plate
that says k marks so andy no posted this video but this is the censored version of course
and uh i just think the whole thing's really strange you know what i mean right now she's
fundraising off of this and the question is why why is the girlfriend fundraising for this
like they're like oh to deal with the hardship.
It's like, I kind of just think these people are evil and she's making money off of it.
Well, she raised $60,000 and in her GoFundMe,
she says that she wants to take the money
so she doesn't have to work so she could grieve.
Just fucking shit, dude.
Again, I don't know exactly what's going on here.
I think we can interpret
things in many different ways but this is you know a big incident that i think a lot of people
are using politically it there's still a tragedy here i think it deserves to be called out but um
i i think we're still connecting the dots here to um the larger meaning of all of this other than
the political ramifications.
Also, for the record,
Seamus just ran away with his tail between his legs.
He was a total coward.
If you put his camera on,
you could see that he
totally escaped and left.
And it's clearly shucking and jiving
and staying away from any kind of debate
or real serious conversation
since he is not a proper adult.
When I found out
that she raised all this
money i was immediately like she didn't give a shit about this guy she's just like oh i can make
money off this i don't know uh it's hard to say because you could always you know interpret the
worst you could always interpret the best but let's let's let's do the steel man and the straw
man argument here um you know let's do the best case scenario and the worst case scenario okay her boyfriend was
stabbed and killed in front of her and then she goes on the internet and says please donate money
to me so i don't have to work if you want to do them any favors right if you want to do them any
kind of legitimacy and you want to connect the dots in a fair bubble way you could say they were
hammered they were drunk they were disoriented they didn't know what was going on. She was
in shock after seeing
Knife. After having her boyfriend
stabbed and having a guy spit at her and
cursed at her, she probably is dealing with a lot
of trauma. Again, I'm just saying, hey,
if we're going to be connected to the dots here,
no, no, no. I'm just saying, let's give
them the best benefit of the doubt, and then let's give them
the worst benefit of the doubt. The best benefit of the doubt
is not that she knew he was stabbed. The best benefit of the doubt is then let's give them the worst benefit of the doubt the best benefit of the doubt is not that she knew he was stabbed the best benefit of the doubt is that she
did not know he was stabbed and that's why she's not freaking out and that's likely what happened
most people don't know i bet she doesn't even know he's holding a knife he's holding a six inch blade
in his right hand a couple times to notice that's right and when he slams into him several times
she didn't know he got stabbed you can almost see the shock after she after she at like there's
almost a moment if you wait for it,
like, when she looks.
Hold on.
Just go face the mic, my friend.
Oh, sorry.
You almost, like, right there, it's like she suddenly gets a realization of the severity
of the injury.
She thought he was punched.
Yeah, probably.
Because these people are such pampered, fucking, pathetic babies.
I'm sorry, dude. Look, what really triggers me about this
is that I have been in many high risk situations in my life where fucking idiots have nearly gotten
me killed. When I see shit like this, I just get really, really pissed off. I get really,
really pissed off. Now, this guy got stabbed in the heart. She ain't saving him. That's what I want to correct. I said the other day that he may have
had a sucking chest wound. And it's so crazy because she could have saved his life if she
just had heard one sentence from a first aid training course. But the police said
the knife went to his heart. He's dead. Sorry. The crazy thing about it, though, is everything
they did wrong, every fucking thing they did wrong. And this
video just infuriates me. I, uh, I've told these stories before and there's only a small handful
of these stories. I'm in Ferguson and, uh, I'm with a friend of mine. He's a, he's a reporter.
He covers conflict. We both do. When we hear gunshots, we hear shots being fired from relatively
far away. And you hear the zipping over our head we hit the
deck immediately and there's a a journalist just standing there ignoring it and then the other
reporters like get the fuck down now motherfuckers dude and then there was another moment where uh a
second time in ferguson when they announced that darren wilson was uh acquitted gunshots ring out
instantly bang bang bang i'm on the ground. I look to my
right. My film is on the ground. And there's an ABC News producer looking around going,
those fireworks. Now, that stuff never put me at risk. But it's infuriating to see that because I
know that if that dude gets shot, I'm the one who's got to stand up in what with active gunshots
and try and save this motherfucker's life. But I've actually been in circumstances like when I was in Venezuela
when a crowd of people started
screaming and running for dear life from
the National Guard who were armed
and had been reportedly shooting at students
earlier. And when I
told these guys, go
now, west, and I start
running perpendicular to
where the National Guard and where the protests are,
they stood there like fucking morons.
And after I took cover,
they walk over like,
what's happening?
What's going on?
So situational awareness.
It's just...
A lot of people don't have that.
A lot of people panic.
A lot of people freak out.
It's fight or flight sometimes.
But mostly, it's people just being like,
what the fuck?
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I grew up on the south side of Chicago.
Haha, I know, Everyone's heard it. I'm getting off of 290 onto Independence with my brother when, for no fucking reason, a guy points a gun out of his car and shoots at us.
That's Chicago.
So I get in rides every so often when I'm in Chicago with these yuppie western suburb skateboarder guys.
And, oh, they get so bent out of shape when we're
in Chicago and someone cuts them off or break checks them and they start screaming and flipping
people off. And I always get super pissed. I shut your fucking mouth right now, dude.
You don't know what you are getting yourself into when you flick off the wrong person. You being
emotionally satisfied with your middle finger could trigger some fucking lunatic to plot a gun
and put a bullet in your head for no fucking reason.
On the south side of Chicago, you insult someone, they kill you.
That's why there's so much death.
But these people who are pampered and grew up in these cushy areas don't get it.
Now, to be fair, I also had friends in the western suburbs who are the exact opposite.
And, you know, I'm driving through the west side of Chicago on my way to the skate park.
And I had one friend who was, like, hyperventilating in panic. And I'm like, I'm driving through the west side of Chicago on my way to the skate park. And I had one friend who was like hyperventilating in panic.
And I'm like, dude, calm down.
Like, yes, I totally get how bad it could be.
But here's what I see with this.
The reason why I'm really pissed off.
For one, my personal experience is the people who have put me at risk give me a personal bias.
But the reason we are seeing high crime.
The reason why there's a story about a father of three being shot in the head and killed in place of this is because of pieces of shit like this.
Look, I'm sorry, dude.
This dude's dead.
I get it.
It's sad.
But this guy was an activist, an advocate defending criminals and advocating for policies that get people killed.
And I just can't stand it. When I do everything right
and I'm like,
I'm not even talking about war zones
because I know my capabilities.
I know my limitations.
When it came to the conflict stuff
I would cover,
I'd say if it goes full scale war,
I'm gone before that happens
because I don't have the skills
or abilities for that.
You got to get someone
with actual military experience
to cover these stories.
I'm in urban conflict.
When Egypt went full revolution,
I said, next day we're gone.
They're shutting down bridges.
They're locking people up and they're murdering people. I can't do that. But I try to
do things right to make sure that I'm not putting anybody else at risk. But the people in these
cities who are too stupid to realize someone's got stabbed several times in the chest and just
stands there saying, get him, get him. And then she doesn't even call the police because she hates
the police. They are putting everyone at New York at risk. They are causing these mass accidents from these cities.
They are making the problem of crime worse.
They are making you, good law-abiding citizen
who does everything right to keep your family safe,
they are putting you at risk.
That's why I'm pissed off.
There's a Daily Mail article and screenshot of it
going around talking about how this Ryan Carson guy
would, quote, feel sorry for violent teenager who stabbed them to death
and think of him as victim of a broken system, says Friends.
And that's a crazy headline.
And my gut reaction to all of this, processing all of this,
is fucking hell, man.
I feel sad for an individual like this.
I feel they are so far gone in so many different
ways where I'm kind of left asking myself, can they be helped? I don't know, man.
It's it's it's they they are the they are the the facilitators of the crisis. And I just
I can't have sympathy for these people who are, you know, pouring gasoline.
I watch a video where a guy throws a gas can onto a fire and it explodes and he bursts into flames.
And I'm like, that sucks, man.
I wish it didn't happen.
What do you think was going to happen when you throw a gas can into a fire?
Look, at a certain point, we have to recognize that we as a society cannot save everyone's life.
Okay?
If the turkey wants to look up at the sky during a rainstorm
and swallow all the water and die, that's not really true.
They don't really do that.
But for all the turkeys that perhaps one day saw the rain and looked up
and held their mouths open and drowned,
well, now there's no more of the turkeys that do that, I guess.
The point is, we keep trying to save people who are mentally deficient.
Conservatives do this.
I don't consider myself conservative,
but this is a point I bring up to many of them
as you're like, you're desperately trying to save the lives
of people who hate you and are so stupid.
They're like lemmings walking off a cliff.
And the conservatives are like, yes,
because we value human life.
And I'm like, okay, well,
do you realize the problem is twofold?
Psychopaths who are setting fire to the system
and conservatives desperately trying to save their lives. I don't know what to tell you man i'm not i'm not i'm not making a
prescriptive statement here i'm not telling you uh what you should or shouldn't do i'm saying
if you preserve the lives of people who are setting fire to your house you will have more
house fires that's it mike do you think there's any saving these people or do you think they're lost causes you know it's it's getting so systemic now this um
this the this type of story i mean i i almost remember when it became a novel occurrence and
like whoa they really believe they've really drunk their own you know sort of i don't know lsd mixed drink fentanyl yeah mixed drink you know um
and it now i feel like i see these type of stories every week uh and
you know there's there's almost no amount i wonder if they don't see the surveillance videos in their own news ecosystem to even understand the scale at which these types of things are happening.
By the way, this criminal has still not been arrested yet, right?
Yep.
I mean, this guy's irises are locked on to the surveillance.
I mean, why do we have Big Daddy National Security State scanning us at the airport if the only one thing i could think of if someone is literally
on camera committing first you know second degree murder um you know i mean you can argue it's crime
passion or whatever but but uh this is like this is this is a daily occurrence and the rates at
which people don't get caught or punished for this is part and parcel of this like a narco tyranny system where you have a justice system currently that you know you almost wonder if
there are sort of paramilitary elements about this i mean i'll give you an example i was in dc the
other day and i hadn't been back in a long time a long time um and uh i was walking around the
white house area and i'd forgotten that the that the main square had had its name changed to black
lives matter plaza and you know the and this is one block from the white house 16th street you And I'd forgotten that the main square had its name changed to Black Lives Matter Plaza.
And, you know, and this is one block from the White House, 16th Street, you know, versus 17th Street there.
And, you know, we all know what happened like that summer and some of the strangeness of that with there being no prosecutions.
In fact, them getting paid by several city counties as well as major chamber of commerce companies um for for doing what what
what they did uh and then i'm walking through the through the plaza over the over the the signage
and i see the next thing on the block is afl-cio and the next thing is the american federation of
of uh of labor i'm looking at this and i'm like wait okay hold on a second this is like a the block
literally adjacent to the white house is all left-wing street military paramilitary groups
and their and their hubs and i remember myself getting jumped on the way to the white house
when i worked there and there was nothing you know there
were secret service agents if you were able to cross the street but that was it and this is the
white house you know at the time i was on the phone the person thought i'd gotten killed they
can't even protect you but that's the thing is like that was the trump administration you don't
see these rental riot things you know uh popping up around the biden administration and i had this
distinct feeling sorry i'll make this shorter but like i had this weird feeling when i was walking
around dc this week when i came to that where i thought oh my god imagine a populist republican
like trump uh winning power again and you are literally under street paramilitary siege on the block
adjoining you yeah well so so i have a question i guess this is what i'm thinking about
mike if uh you were standing outside of a house and a guy walks past you with a can of gasoline
and he says that he's gonna go in there and burn that house to the ground. And you
know, and so you're like, hold on. So you walk up to the, you walk up to the, you know, the window
and you look inside and there's this guy dumping gasoline all over the place. And there's another
guy, a leftist activist standing there watching him do it with a shocked look on his face,
shaking his head. And then the activist goes, do you need any matches? And the guy's like,
actually, yeah, I do. And he goes, here you go. And the guy walks to the door, lights the match, sets the house on fire with the activist still inside, who then begins screaming for help.
Do you run inside to help the activist?
Do I run inside the screaming?
Run inside the burning building because there's an activist inside screaming, an activist who had supplied the matches to the arsonist.
Good question.
Because my view on this is if you are in,
say, like, let's say you're in like a crowded place and, you know, there's a riot and someone
gets shot and, you know, you're probably the only one who can save that person's life.
But that person did, you know, helped facilitate the shooter, instigated the fight, screamed at him and swore and started it.
Do you say to yourself, you know what, I'm going to run full speed out of this and stay away from it and let them deal with it?
Or do you say I have to save this person's life, even though they may have caused that, you know, they did cause this.
I think for me, I've come to the point where after actually experiencing a lot of this, I, I,
I was always so angry because I felt an obligation to keep the people around me safe, even if I didn't know them, especially in these conflict situations. And then I got to a point where I
was just like, I cannot get myself killed because the chicken ran full speed into the car's grill.
You know what I mean? The person stood in the highway screaming and running towards a vehicle.
And what am I supposed to do? Run out and and try and stop them if it's an innocent person who was
caught in an accident yeah but yeah this is tough because you know in in this case
there's something so like terrifying about it because to me because you look at that and you look at the obvious
mistakes that were made, as you mentioned, in terms of situational awareness, and you want to
say, I wouldn't do that in that situation. I would be more on the ball. I'd be more on my feet.
And you're probably right. You probably, and I don't mean you, I mean like me, when I saw that
video, I thought, well, I wouldn't have done that. I wouldn't have said chill. I wouldn't have,
you know, I would have, you know, escorted my girl across the street.
I would have read the situation better.
I wouldn't have put my hand out that way.
I maybe would have, you know, tried to, you know, something else.
And then the terror of actually being in it.
And maybe even if you did the right thing you still get stabbed through the
heart the the guy still gets away with murder that like i could see a situation where you you know
you you you dot your i's and you cross your t's and just what this is now is a systemic thing that
we have with the philosophy on crime, with the philosophy on
on law enforcement, with the with the the underpinnings of this guy's philosophy,
that that is more what I focus on when I see the video.
Even if police were in were strengthened and funded, these things still happen.
You know, Luke's got a sign saying I'd rather have a gun and what is a gun in my hand
than a cop on the phone.
Yep.
And so the reason why things like this are substantially less likely to happen to, you know, say any one of us here is we're more likely to have guns at the time and typically do.
So, first of all, you know, I go through this video and I watched like a deep analysis explaining what happened. And it's just like this soft, delicate man of liberal sensibilities had zero situational awareness.
And it is remarkable to me.
I cannot fathom the degree to which he was not paying attention.
Me, I'm just not like that.
I'll tell you.
So I'm at Wilson Skate Park in Chicago, and I'm sitting by the kidney bowl.
It's like the big pool section where people are skating the vert stuff.
And I see on the highway the giant Red Bull can off in the distance.
And I get up, and I walk into the parking lot.
And sure enough, the Red Bull can car pulls right up.
And I say, I'll take a Red Bull.
And then, as the lady hands me two Red Bulls, the entire park comes running out.
Like in my life, I'm just like, I've always been paying attention. And I think maybe it's because
I grew up in, you know, in a dangerous place. You have to. And then I see people like this
who are really dumb, really ignorant, burn down the system all around us, make our lives more
dangerous, put our children, our friends, our families at risk. And you watch this video and
he doesn't look. Not one time. He walks towards the crazy guy shoving things he would have thought he was a
victim of a broken system says the daily mail which is exactly what he did he saw this this
young his kids 18 knocking things over and screaming and he probably was like do you need
help man and the pissed the kid off he said that so no i'm saying he probably said something like
that because then the kid goes what the fuck are you looking at? I will kill you right now, motherfucker.
This is the kind of guy who walks up to a deranged psychopath and thinks he just needs a social
worker. You know what the quickest way to antagonize someone is? Ask them if something's
wrong. You see a crazy guy in the street, look him in the eyes, say something wrong, man,
and they have just found a target for their anger. You don't make eye contact.
You back away.
First of all, dude should have been paying attention.
If he did, they would not have got up and started walking towards a dude who was smashing shit.
As soon as they saw him knock shit over, they should have just quietly turned around.
And then he could have just started walking.
Pay attention to the shadows.
Pay attention to what he hears.
If he hears footsteps behind him or the guys yelling, he can turn around, tell his girlfriend, start going now, walk now, turn around and slowly back away in a defensive
position and say nothing and just slowly back the fuck away. Instead, he engages with him,
shoves him, fights him, and doesn't even know there's a bench next to him and trips over it,
smacks his face on it, falls over and is murdered. Anyway, we should go to callers. Fucked.
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Alright.
Let's do that.
I need to speak to
them last.
So yeah, let's talk to El Mirichi.
How are you today?
You're with us.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, now I can hear you.
Hey, how's it going?
Pretty good.
Yourself?
I'm good.
Let me pull up my question real quick.
All right, take your time.
No worries.
Not too much time now.
Okay.
For Tim, what does he think about starting a
thought-learning foundation type organization
where students and teachers with American values
can be hired by local communities to help homeschool kids?
I think it's a great idea.
I wouldn't know how to do it.
That definitely seems like a project for James Lindsay, though.
Well, at the very least, James Lindsay would know better than I would
when it comes to education and stuff like that.
But yeah, I think one thing that we probably need to build
when we're talking about homeschooling and pods
is private pod learning.
I think there's a...
Look, you want a business idea you want to be rich
i love all these dudes who are like i'm gonna teach you how to get rich quick man and you know
i was watching i was reading this article in the daily mail from a woman she was like a millionaire
by 28 and here's how she did it and then it's like she's talking about all the entrepreneurial
things she did the other women are just like saying they do porn and stuff but uh there's a
business opportunity right now to create private pod
schools. You make a website, you make business cards, you put up flyers, you buy ads online,
get some nice production quality, and you find some teachers or if you're a teacher yourself
and say, sign up for our pod classes today where the teacher comes to, you know, you and your
friends will get together and then they have a private tutoring session for all the kids together. And that's, that's a big business opportunity right now.
I think you'd make, I think you'd make yourself a millionaire, download an app, or I should say,
make an app called like pod learner, where you can effectively scroll through tutors and teachers
and they can explain their values and the things they teach. And it's like Uber for
teaching for your kids. Boom. There you go. Uber for everything. I like that idea. Um,
Dana Martin is working on some very interesting projects that are very similar to this. Uh,
check her out. I think you would be very happy to see what she's doing. She's one of the biggest
advocates of, um, homeschooling, but also a radical homeschooling. She does it in a very interesting way.
It might not work for everyone,
but I think those concepts are worth kind of looking into
and delving into as, of course,
she deals with a lot of the hippy-dippy stuff
that I think is important to kind of look at.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
Was that good?
I hope that was sufficient.
Yeah, that was great.
One thing I wanted to add about it too is some
adding a feature of kind of like a
area search
kind of like what PublicSquare has.
Which I think would be pretty cool to have on there.
I mean, honestly, PublicSquare
could easily just add that function.
Michael Seifert's going to be here tomorrow. I'll ask him
like, you know,
they do all businesses.
You know, I wonder to what degree they could add
this kind of search. If they really want to be like the anti-Amazon, then services should be a
big component and being able to search. I mean, that right there, I think will take public square
to the, to the next level. If you can load up the app and be like, I need a masseuse, I need a
teacher, I need a car mechanic. And then you can find like, that's huge, man. Yeah. If you need a masseuse. I need a teacher. I need a car mechanic. And then you can find, like, that's huge, man.
If you need a trade done, right now we're struggling with, like, how do we find contractors?
How do we find an electrician?
And so we're going through word of mouth and Google.
Dude, if I could just pull up on Public Square and type, like, search, what do you need?
Service, electrician.
And then it gives me a list of people in my area.
And they're all like, we love America.
I'll be like, based.
Yeah.
Yeah. Based thumbtack. Yeah. And then you could be like tutoring schooling i mean i don't know if that makes i think if public square is going to be anti-amazon and be
that big that should be a component yeah definitely but yeah man uh right now is that good yeah
yeah uh awesome answer is uh wanted to add real quick, Tim. You're the biggest remote in my life,
and you're the reason why I've turned my life around.
And Seamus, quit stealing students,
because you're still my favorite.
Goodbye, everybody.
Yes, Seamus, stop stealing.
Thanks for calling in.
The theft, the robbery.
Seamus is just totally zoned out.
He's having headphones on?
Yeah, he can't hear anything.
He's looking at us and smiling.
He pooped himself.
He totally pooped himself, and he's scared.
He's a coward.
Can't even defend his own lineage and family.
He's probably just watching Simpsons where he runs right now.
Shameful Seamus.
All right, next up.
All right, Endill, you are with us.
How are you today?
Hey there.
Can you hear me all right?
Yeah, loud and clear.
Fantastic.
Thank you for taking my call.
I've got a question for Mr. Benz.
So one of the biggest stories, biggest developments in online freedom, certainly from a public perspective, at least, has been Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter.
And so in the wake of that, there's been a debate about what Elon Musk's true intentions are.
Some people think he's legitimate, some people think he has
an ulterior motive, or he's like secretly working for someone, or whatever. It seems
that to me, especially with some of his recent things that he's been tweeting and
retweeting, I kind of think that maybe he's for real. But with, I want to ask,
with your experience, what do you think? What do you think about Elon? Yeah, well, it's something very similar to you.
You know, I wrote a piece right when he announced the acquisition with my sort of hope for him,
but some of the skepticism about being able.
We have seen many warriors in this arena with initially noble intentions. Let me back up for a
second. The obvious, I don't know if you said this explicitly, but, you know, there have been,
there's obvious analogies of the X the everything app to this sort of Weibo, China, you know, I mean,
I think at one point, I may be, I hope I'm not misquoting this, but I think at one point, you know, there was a reference to Musk saying something like, oh, you know, China has this thing which is super convenient.
It's everything their everything app. ability to withstand the pain box to borrow a Darren Beatty term has been remarkable at almost
every turn and where it has not, you can understand how there may be a long-term strategy
with some forms of compromise. And if I can have the space to flesh it out, yeah. So right away, the first thing that he did was get rid of this ad council and a lot of the entanglements that organizations like the ADL and some related activist groups had at the company. Now, ADL struck back and cost Twitter about 65% of their advertisers,
just like they had cost Facebook two years earlier, $60 billion in ad revenue,
together with a bunch of State Department-funded NGOs, to bring a double-digit billionaire,
Zuckerberg, to his knees. There's the question of whether triple digits may be enough to withstand that that coordinated in civil society and circle with tactic.
But in addition to doing that, you've had I mean, just take what happened a week ago.
Aaron Rodricks, who was the head of this election disinformation unit, you know, they called it election integrity, but it was just election censorship uh the guy had had made statements
totally backing government uh run censorship out of out of sisa at dhs uh the guy was um you know
deeply connected to a cia censorship network which which has been uh in place at basically
all platforms and have been protected because they're instruments of the national security
state in terms of who this person was and where he was drawing recruits from.
And that I could see that being a hard call to get rid of that because because this was
a network tied to intelligence.
Musk caught flack from all the mainstream media when this guy got fired.
In fact, even the EU commission weighed in and said you
know the firing of this election integrity team is is you know one more reason why you know x needs
to be subjected to the digital services act on disinformation and brought in to make sure that
they're censoring the appropriate material but like musk could have opted not to do those things. And, you know, conservatives or centrists or center left, you know, reasonable liberals would still be on X.
I think that he's he's made compromises with Linda Iaccarino in terms of bringing her in.
I think that there are things that are being done to court back advertisers, which are in opposition to the tenants of free speech.
And I think actually building that infrastructure on ad money is like
building a,
you know,
a castle on sand.
But on the whole,
I have not yet seen someone in the tech space who has been this brave.
And,
and people were up against far less than what Musk is.
Yeah. Right on.
Was that good, Endel?
Yeah, no, that's fantastic.
Anything else to add?
Yeah, actually, if Elon Musk turns out to be for real,
if all the pain he's going through turns out to be real,
that's incredibly inspiring.
And so I guess, I don't know, if you could wish upon a star and
have a free agent software developer do anything, build anything to impact the current environment,
what would that be? Speech neutral. I would have that person actually take things out rather than i would have that person look at the code on all of
the you know database of words related to brand safety and hate speech and misdiss and malinformation
you know one of the big tasks in front of the company right now at the technological level to
take on censorship is that there was such an enormous Jenga tower built within the code itself of all
the different trust and safety fillers of all the different targeted communities and all their
little proxy words representing them. Everything from elections, public health, to energy, to
immigration, to abortion. I mean, regardless of what you feel about those as substantive issues. The fact is, is, you know, a software engineer can kill an entire idea with a couple lines of code.
And the discourse is rigged.
The public square is slanted on one side of every one of these issues because of the, the work of these programmers.
Now they make their own decisions.
They were following the social science and the corporate people,
but we need smart,
talented software engineers who can read that code and can understand the way
it was.
It's,
it's entire architecture is constructed into,
into really peel back those layers to get back to a system of,
of political neutrality and social neutrality
that was the hallmark of the early internet. Right on, man. Well, that was a great question,
Endel. Really appreciate it. Fantastic. Thank you very much, guys. Thanks for calling in.
I want to give a shout out to Tech Wolf, because I saw this post. Can someone explain to Tim that
muscle memory isn't actually memory stored in muscles? I love that because I don't know why anyone would assume that's what I was saying,
but let me break it down for you. If you program Kung Fu into your head, your ligaments will not
be able to stretch to perform the maneuvers. Yes, you have to be able to grow, develop your muscles
and stretch your body to be able to do most of these moves. Most people don't have the muscles nor the flexibility to pull off even a cartwheel.
So if you program into your brain the memory and knowledge of how to do a thing that your
body can't flex enough to do, it won't happen.
That's just it.
I can remember in my mind how to laser flip, but holy fuck, I could not laser flip last week.
But that's so crazy.
I know in my brain exactly how to do it.
I remember everything.
I used to do it when I was younger.
Can't do it anymore.
How does that happen?
I didn't forget.
I think there's, I may be misremembering, but I think there's a funny Bill Burr joke around watching somebody do a dunk from the foul line and the foul line you know and uh and and saying oh you
know oh why didn't i think of that right yeah so it's a it's a combination of things right
you plug someone in uh what is this word well the guy doubting muscle memory has never done
intense physical training before i suppose i suppose you you your muscles break down and
they rebuild themselves stronger
and in specific ways that target the things you are trying to do.
Skateboarders' center of gravity shifts lower
because they exercise their legs more than their upper body,
creating heavier legs,
whereas the typical person's legs make up one-third of their weight
for a lot of skateboarders.
Their legs are half their weight
because they're exercising these muscles and not their upper body,
so their upper body stays small
and their legs get heavier,
but a lower center of gravity improves balance.
You can't just memorize that.
You can't program how to do these things.
But let's jump to the next caller.
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I am doing good.
How are you guys?
Doing well.
Thank you.
Doing well, I guess.
Doing well.
Yeah, that's proper.
You're right.
But I'm great.
I feel great.
It's like a half dad joke.
Thanks for taking the time, guys. My question is mostly for Mike, but the whole panel can answer. Um, how do we as viewers and consumers on the internet, um, help in the censorship war
beyond just watching and interacting with those that go against the grain? Is there more that we
can do than just interacting when we don't have money to give? Yeah, well, first I would say,
you know, don't undersell the power of just interacting. Oftentimes what's available
strategically isn't possible until enough people are interacting that, you know, your elected
representatives get the opportunity to be heroes for a large number of people because it's on the
tip of everyone's tongues. Oftentimes just talking about it is what provides the baseline i'll give you an example
for you know i've i've talked for many years about the importance of understanding censorship not as
an act but as an industry which is to say that rather than looking at censorship as being the
act that a you know that somebody at facebook does at the at does at the very end of a funnel,
understand the economics of the universities, the NGOs, the foundations,
the private sector mercenary firms, the media literacy and fact-checker programs,
and the government departments, which are providing funding in 12 different departments right now,
over $100 million over the past year, subsidizing a censorship industry with 200,000 censorship jobs that would not exist without that funding.
And the capacity to carry out the censorship is something that can be targeted in a way that is more sometimes more effective than trying to, you know, long arm influence over some mechanical Turk scrolling through, you know, content flagged, you know, at a minimum of work and a lot of talking to get enough people to understand
the industry and the market of the censorship industry and all the different actors and players
involved and that requires people constantly talking about it so that when you use a phrase
like that it's not some foreign concept so there's a linguistic fluency that has to be developed
there's it there's a sort of news attention to the stories. They have to be
shared. They have to be shared with friends and family. You have to lend your spirit energy to
that. But at the same time, there's a multi-front offensive on this. There's a Supreme Court case
right now which could deliver a knockout blow potentially to multiple government agencies ability to participate in the censorship
market and actions there's uh there's multiple congressional investigations there's there's
media events like the twitter files and in an improved literacy within a lot of conservative
news about some of these institutions that were only little known before some of them like the stanford erin observatory or the global disinformation index and in a coterie of many many others but
i wouldn't undersell if you are not well resourced if you are not well connected if you don't have
the sort of commanding assets of somebody who can make a material difference through doubles and triples
and home run swings as an analogy.
Don't undersell relentlessly batting for singles in terms of amplifying things.
You would be surprised with one year of just small ball doing your little part.
When enough people start doing that, the minnows start to look a lot bigger than the shark.
Yeah, I agree.
Anything else to add, Gemfire?
No, that was really good.
Thank you.
Right on.
Thanks for calling in.
Yeah, fantastic.
Appreciate it.
All right, next up.
Patriot with a zero.
Patriot with a zero.
What's going on?
Questions, questions we got.
So my questions, they actually span from
last night's show to this night and i think they're um pressing it to today but i don't know
if you guys seen this at the uh vote for the ousting of mccarthy but what are your thoughts on
uh the representative from north dakota uh kelly armstrong a sleazy
attack on matt gates for being at the democrat podium i think it was planned to push him over
there and then make him look like that was uh not credible and traitorous by siding with the dems
i don't like republicans fuck them me either yeah not big fan. So, but I see what you're saying.
They're trying to play this tribal game.
Newt Gingrich is.
He's not.
He's anti-Republican.
It makes me laugh.
I'm like, oh, I wish I could vote for him twice.
You know what I mean?
Like, okay.
Yeah, seriously.
We don't like you, dude.
The reason why this is happening is because we're sick of these people and there's enough
of us who are not so much Democrat or Republican, but anti-establishment.
So they can say whatever the fuck they want.
They can smear them.
I'm over it.
I don't care.
Matt Gaetz is the congressional Molotov cocktail to Donald Trump's
presidential Molotov cocktail.
Yeah.
That's a good analogy.
And he's a badass.
Or speaker.
Speaker Molotov.
If Trump ends up being speaker before he's oh yeah there you go
yeah uh it's weird how everyone calls us republicans all the time because we're not
democrats just not true anyways uh anything else to add my friend yeah i had another thing for luke
um this actually goes to something you said last night. Do you know that if there's no government, people will form groups to protect themselves, their families and their property and order it in a collective manner to defend against every group?
I see what you're doing here. I'm catching on.
I'm with you, brother. I understand about So you got to understand what the leftists do with their ideology and the progress that they have made comes because they're willing to ask for a lot more.
And they're willing to, of course, compromise along the way.
I think we as people on the opposite side of that, I think the Republicans have been cucked so fucking badly.
They're so fucking pathetic.
They don't know what to ask for.
They're disillusioned. I think we should be asking for everything. We can make concessions
along the way. But I think the biggest solution that's going to come through all the bullshit
that we're facing is decentralization. So obviously, anarchy to me is the end goal.
No government. Will we ever achieve that? Is that reasonable? Is that something that's actually going to happen? Probably not. But I think we should still ask for more and push the goalposts a lot further down the field than, of course, what these other soft handed, soft ass, pussy ass bitch Republicans are fucking doing, saying, hey, guys, please, we're just going to implement your policies 10 years after you guys do it.
They're fucking ridiculous.
They're fucking stupid.
We need to go in the other direction very fast, very quickly.
The best direction to head in is anarchy, is total freedom, is no government.
Is it going to happen?
No.
Is it realistic?
No.
But let's fucking copy what the fuck these assholes are doing and let's do it better.
Right.
If the left keeps saying, like, we want want they're not literally saying we want communism they're going we want
this policy which is communist and then when the republicans come in they go okay well how about we
give you socialism instead exactly okay how about the right comes out and says we want to abolish
the atf outright and we want to here's here's do Republican if I was in Congress I'd be doing all sorts of crazy ass bullshit
file a
get a bill and committee and whatever
I know it probably won't even go to the floor
but this is why you need to win the speakership
you need to get someone in there who will do it
and the proposal is
government
universal gun ownership funded by the government
we would fund the creation of the
gun distribution, you know, the Department of Gun Services, the DGS, where anyone at the age of 16
can, after completing gun safety courses, get their government-issued handgun and or rifle.
You could choose one. You could choose a handgun or rifle. You get to choose one.
You get to choose a handgun or rifle.
Actually, no, I think it's probably better if you're 16, you complete the course,
you get an AR-15 with a 30-round mag
and a box of ammo.
And then if you're 18,
you only have to just walk in
and there's no requirements
other than you just,
you're only allowed to get one.
But the point of this is
when the Democrats lose their minds
and freak out, then the Republicans
go, okay, okay, okay, fine. How
about we just, instead
of giving people the guns, we
remove the restrictions on 30-round
magazines, etc. No, Tim, Tim, you're
totally wrong. I totally disagree with you.
Nuclear weapons at your local
FFL. That's what I want. That's
what I demand right now. Miniature
nuclear. Exactly. Give me the fucking nukes. Give me the bioweapons what I want. That's what I demand right now. Miniature nuclear. Exactly. Give me the fucking
nukes. Give me the bioweapons. I want fucking
all of that shit right now.
Send it to my FFL. My point is
if Republicans come out and say
we want universal gun ownership,
look at what happens when Democrats are like, we want
universal healthcare and stuff.
They get a compromise
bill that Republicans, they get Obamacare, Republicans
won't repeal it. Okay, Republicans, how about you advocate
for universal gun ownership
and create the Department of Gun Services
where anyone can just walk in and get one free gun,
and you know, one free AR-15,
and then when they're like,
no, we won't do that, guns are bad,
we say, okay, okay, fine, fine.
We won't give them out for free.
We'll just create the Department of Gun Services
where people can buy guns with no restrictions.
I want fucking lightsabers
I want laser weapons. I want fucking tungsten rods in the fucking sky that could have blurred
I want all of it. Okay, you can't you as an individual will build to have the rods from God Elon. Maybe
You never know
Did I answer your question?
Running from ear to ear.
That's exactly what people need to hear.
All right.
Right on, man.
Well, thanks for calling in.
Hey, thank you guys.
Of course.
Cheers, man.
All right.
Last but not least.
Definitely not least.
Roman 909.
What's 909 to reference to?
Or is it a reference to awards?
California area?
Maybe.
I was thinking.
Are you a dirty commie fornian
ironically enough i actually did come from california but my family
left because we don't we aren't commies hey nice man i hear you nice oh wait wait wait yeah yeah
yeah 909 is california san bernardino uh-huh yep um it's it's great talking to you guys.
I've been a big fan since, I think, 2020, Tim.
Right on.
It's nice to hear everyone else in here watching this show, like I said, for a while.
So my question is, with the potential aggressive nature of BRICS, what are all the panel's thoughts on NATO becoming
a federation? Is this like a likely or practical counter against BRICS? It would be a terrible idea
and it would result in global destabilization, I'd imagine, and probably World War III.
I get the point though, and it's an interesting idea the problem is it would
it would destroy the the the laws and the constitution of the united states
and you you'd get people in this country just losing their minds yeah can you flesh that out
a little a little more i mean when you say a federation i mean there's there's an implication
but i want to make sure i'm not like drawing I mean you're you're basically talking about sort
of like a governance super state of comprised of NATO countries but it's sort of federated
in a regional level I mean what like a new world order America established a new world order and
we pretty much dominate the globe that there is no changing the world order without the rest of the world burning with it
at this point um this wouldn't bring a new world order this would basically be borderline yeah it's
it's a federated states so like each state can do their own internal thing but on the federal level
everyone gets together on the same economic or military policies well okay can i just jump in
real quick because um i'm i think i was confused by the question because i i don't see i'm not
making an opinion for or against nato when i say this i don't see a difference between the current
construction of nato and what you're talking about you understand that even to join nato you need to go through you need to go through market reforms you need to
change your political system with a bunch of democracy reforms you need to basically
fit yourself into a cookie cutter slot of the existing nato structure and if you understand
how our own sort of military works and our own intelligence and state department is organized it is very much like you know like the we are a transatlantic empire like we are not you know uh
the the the you can call us nominally sovereign uh but we don't do things unless it's we have the
transatlantic consensus even if we need to mold that through UK and Brussels partners with with more satellite NATO countries.
But the fact is, is like NATO is already very much a federation.
Yeah. Oh, no. What I mean is closer governance.
I mean, yeah, I completely agree with what you're saying already that that's why i'm saying i and i believe in that
idea that it should be closer because that's realistically what we're going to end up doing
in the next 300 years or the rest of the world burns are you uh it's yeah i'm just i'm trying
to understand if you're maybe look thinking of it more like the uh european union of some sort or
if i may be a misunderstanding uh it's in like more more coordinated more coordinated decisions i'm just trying to
understand what you mean because it already making like like making like being the ability
to actually make laws and having a central government or like like sort of like a central
government and a central military that's like the basic requirements to be a federation yeah um to hit that phase you think it's required
to take on bricks uh to yeah to counter bricks i mean it would basically there there wouldn't
be really much of a way for bricks toS to challenge it at that point. Militarily, though.
Militarily, economically, and I mean, the only thing they would have on us is population.
That's about it.
Well, I think that's what the point was about the distinction between NATO and the EU, because yeah, yeah, but yeah.
No, I was just saying to come closer to the mic.
Oh, yeah.
No, I mean, look, I mean mean china's rise is not a military story i mean they have
defensive capacities primarily in the south china sea and the ability to be a sort of porcupine
uh that you don't want to necessarily um you know engage with because of their um you know they've
they have offensive strike capabilities but they're they're not like a it's this is not
like a military it's not like the u.s with like 800 military bases everywhere you know they're
they rely on economic soft power for for you know their rise i'm not sure now look i in in a dirty
way nato actually does uh you know influence you know the economies they're using the muscle of the national security
state i'm not sure if more of that is necessarily a great you know great recipe for the sort of
civil liberties freedom thing we're trying to cook up here um but no no no no um there's one
last thing i wanted to say before i let you guys discuss this amongst yourselves.
One of the things I would definitely support in the Constitution and the only way I would like it if in this system is that the only way to run or vote is if you've done some form of civic duty, whether it be military.
You first responder 24 hours of community service or have passed a civics test.
Or, yeah, like I said in the medical field, like any of those things are important to the state and community.
I get that, but sociopaths lie all the time and will go through the motions to get the qualifications.
The issue is, are the people actually invested in this? That's why I think it makes more sense
to require the people to have done some service in order to vote for a person.
For me personally, I think you have to be an animal if you want to be a politician. And I
think we should vote in our favorite animals. And I think they would do a way better job than
our politicians. That's probably true. And it's like that, my attitude is kind of like, I'm not anarchist.
I think there's some government that's good.
But the reality is our politicians are balls, bullshit, suck ass.
They're trash and a dog would do better by doing nothing.
Exactly.
That's anarchy, baby.
But I do think that there's some good functions of government
in terms of border security, national defense,
and like interstate conflict resolution through the Supreme Court and things like that.
The problem is politicians are corrupt assholes.
And if we replaced Congress with a bunch of golden retrievers,
congressional approval rating would hit 100%, and there would be less problems.
Dude, I mean, just imagine that.
Yeah, I would love that.
Everybody would love Congress overnight.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, right on, man.
Yeah, thanks for calling in.
It's getting late.
Got to get back to it.
The military could be German shepherds.
Sorry for holding you guys up for so long.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
Appreciate the call.
Cheers.
Hope you're well.
All right.
Have a good rest of your night, guys.
Likewise.
There's much to be done.
There is.
Tomorrow is Thursday.
Friday is the show.
It's going to be amazing.
And we're really excited to have Matt Gaetz.
We were excited to have him in the first place.
But now that he's basically the most badass politician we've got in this country, I'm
just like, holy shit, I can't believe we got Matt Gaetz.
Off his profile.
Big fan.
And it was really cool that we had him on just like in the past week when he was talking
about this and explaining to us.
Because he gets it.
He tweeted out a video from me you
know furiously ranting saying i get it and i'm like bro you're doing the work man i appreciate it
mike thanks for hanging out it's been a blast yeah it's great thanks guys absolutely and for
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