Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Nick Searcy Member Podcast: Director Of Gosnell Discusses The Most Prolific Serial Killer In US History

Episode Date: February 20, 2022

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. Ladies and gentlemen, before we get started, we have a special performance. Ian Crossland in the Orbit Gum commercial from 2007. I hope you all enjoy it.

See you later, man. I'm having noodles. Dirty mouth? dirty mouth clean it up with new orbit fabulous fruitini and sangria fresca fabulous for a good clean feeling no matter what there it is. Ian Crossland cutting his nose hairs in an Orbit Super Bowl commercial. Look how stable those eyes are in that shot. What happened? Those guys were directed by the Polarian Brothers. Those guys rock.

Look at this picture. That's awesome. That's amazing. What happened, Ian? You were on the path to celebrity fame and fortune in Hollywood. I got fucking red-pilled is what happened. I learned about the Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex, and I realized my life is – some things are more important than money and fame. But I still wanted to utilize the fame somehow.

But, man, did I go into a spiraling depression in that period of my life because my whole life I'd geared myself towards this career. Just think. So what year was that? That was 2007. I started making YouTube videos in 2006, and the people started commenting on my videos like, do you even know what the Federal Reserve is? Do you even know what fractional reserve banking is?

I'm like, I've never heard these words before. Ian, you could have been Thor. Could have been. I had a management from CBS had me for a while. And I was just making YouTube videos about my crazy life and how high I was. And they were like, Ian, stop making YouTube videos. I was like, you found me through my YouTube videos. And they're like, yeah, but we want to control you now.

I'm like, nah, peace, Hollywood. Let's talk about some dark stuff. So, Nick, you directed Gosnell. How about this? We'll have you explain who Gosnell is, and then we'll have Seamus explain who Gosnell is. Yes. Yeah. Dr. Kermit Gosnell ran a women's clinic in Philadelphia, and for about 19 years, his clinic was never inspected. And he developed a way of doing of performing abortions which consisted of giving them labor-inducing giving the women labor-inducing drugs which then caused the baby to be born alive

and he would then take a pair of scissors and snip the spinal cord of the baby and kill it after it was born and this went on for years and years and years until finally it was discovered that he was doing this i believe in 2013 and he was convicted well they discovered it in 2011 i think he was convicted in 2013 yeah i mean he's a serial killer and that's that's true of abortion doctors generally speaking but he was inducing labor as you said he was killing them after they were already born part of why it's such an important story is because I get, I think it really gets people to think about what abortion is and ask themselves the question.

Well, I think that this man's a monster for killing the infant a moment after it comes out. What about people who regularly kill this infant while it is still inside of the mother's womb? So this guy, Gosnell, he was not performing abortions he was legitimately killing babies

and it's a really interesting philosophical question because if the women were pregnant and he induced abortion or he induced labor what's what's the difference between that and an abortion just the fact that the baby is positioned outside of the woman's body as he murders as he kills it yeah so it's not just that he He was storing body parts in the building. I mean, this is, if I told you the story, here's a man who takes living human beings, kills them, and then stores their body parts in their home, you'd be like, who the fuck? Jeffrey Dahmer? Fuck, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then when you're like, well, technically it was because women were trying to terminate their pregnancies. What's the difference? Yeah. Yeah. And then when you're like, well, technically it was because women were trying to terminate their pregnancies. What's the difference? Yeah. Well, that's one of the reasons I wanted to direct the movie when they offered it to me and I read the script. There was a great scene, I think taken primarily from court transcripts, of where they talk to a legal abortion doctor and have her go through all the steps they do to make legitimate abortion. And when I read that, I was just like, I had no idea that that's what they did.

And that's what made me want. I said, people talk about the abortion issue without knowing what they're talking about. And that's what I wanted to do is put that on screen. And a lot of people see that scene and go, I didn't know that's what I wanted to do is put that on screen. So it's like, and a lot of people see that scene and go, I didn't know that's what they did. If the baby is still connected to the mother by the umbilical cord, is that why he was thinking like it's still not really breathing air? It's not taking, it's not a complete life yet because it's.

He was not someone concerned with morality. He was just slaughtering infants for profit. Right. Is that why your story in the body parts was to sell them? Well, in the movie, it was because he was, he had had a dispute with his medical waste company. It's really, he was a very cheap, you know, he was a shyster in a lot of ways. He was very much concerned with the, and he was having a financial dispute with his medical

waste company. So he was just storing the bags. So Wikipedia is typically left-leaning, right? It's very left-biased. Let me just ask you guys, how do you think Wikipedia describes Gosnell? Do they describe him as an abortion provider? I already took a look, so I've got to concede I already saw it. No, probably not. They wouldn't let us call him an abortion doctor

in any of the ads that we ran for Gus. Really? We had to say doctor. They wouldn't let us say abortion doctor. Wikipedia says he's an American former physician and serial killer. And the reason they do that is because they are left biased. Because they don't want people to know that what he was actually doing was yeah oh abortions he's just doing them a few minutes too late really i mean that weird yeah it's so weird i mean and that that's that's kind of what that scene in the movie is about it's like i play uh gosnell's attorney and at the end of the scene where she

takes us through the whole process they inject poison into the fetus while it's still inside. They make an incision in the back of the neck. They put a vacuum in there and suck the brains out because the head's too big to come out of the canal. And at the end of her describing all this, it's like he says, well, I don't see what the difference is. Wow. The judge said that or?

The attorney. Oh, wow. And then, you know, objection calls for a conclusion, you know, that kind of thing. What is the difference? Yeah. Oh.

If it's in Mormon. There's no moral difference. Yeah, you're slaughtering a baby. You're killing a child. So this goes on Wikipedia. Gosnell was convicted of the murders of three infants who were born alive after botched abortion attempts

and then was convicted and so on. So when you were doing the movie, is that exactly what you found? That's a lie. It was not a botched abortion attempt. What was it? That was the procedure that he had developed. He did all the abortions that way. If they were at a certain point, and he also did very, very late-term abortions,

abortions way past what the legal limit was. And to do an abortion on a baby like that, it's very difficult to do if you try to do it inside the womb. So to him, he's probably like, I'm going to make sure I don't hurt the woman. No, for him, it's I'm trying to make money. Because this whole argument that abortion is about women's health goes out the window with a case like this. Because this man literally cared nothing for their health and safety. He didn't follow any of the health regulations, the conditions they were in, and that he was performing these procedures in were absolutely disgusting. And, of course, procedures used for murder.

But he was treating white and black women in different facilities. He was charging between $1,600 and $3,000 for late-term abortions, and he was making $10,000 to $15,000 per day. Oh, and he was the only one that would do it. Yeah, because it was illegal. Yeah. And he also was convicted of manslaughter, too. He killed one woman. Yeah, that went on.

He was convicted of manslaughter in connection with the death of one woman during an abortion procedure. Yeah. And was convicted of several other medically-related crimes. That's just the intro. Like abuse of body parts. Man, he's still alive, too. He was taking, when he was having the dispute with the medical waste company, this is really, he was taking body parts back to his beach house

and putting them in crab pots to catch crabs. Wow. And they found body parts in the garbage disposal he was flushing them down the drain he was it was it's really really treating like chicken meat yeah it's disgusting meat grinder disgusting disgusting how is this not the biggest story of the decade because it's about abortion and they don't want you to ask that question. They don't want you to ask that question, what is the real substantive difference between murdering that infant prior to them being outside of their mother's womb and immediately after?

They don't want you to ask that question. Do you see that video of the Virginia legislator talking to the council member, and she's like, my bill would allow abortion up to the point of birth? And the judge is like, what? Did you see that ian i didn't see the actual video the judge it's a it's a it's like a council member or a judge or something and he's like so a woman is in labor and the baby is breaching and she's like my bill does not specify up to the point of birth abortion is allowed like that's insane yeah like

the baby is coming out of the mother and you're like better quick kill it otherwise we'll get in trouble let me take you guys on a little uh little fantasy detour here what if the babies were neural netted from the moment of inception what you think that would bring humanity to the the fetus if we could see their thought process early on in the in the creation i think it's irrelevant i think thought process doesn't make someone a person well sometimes seeing the the ultrasound can get the woman to be like yeah i want to keep you you telling me i am or i'm not a person is irrelevant to whether or not i have rights and i'm a person but i mean it's just for cultural enforcement i just think it's irrelevant i think i think that's actually a dangerous path and it would be a detriment because it's

attempting to justify when someone is considered alive based on personal or subjective parameters. So also, you did the documentary. You know more about this. Would you describe the racist practices that have been discussed here? Well, he had separate waiting rooms for black women and white women. And the white women's room was much nicer and you know well kept and the the black women's waiting room was just like a a room that he didn't clean very often or whatever and when the one of the nurses asked him about it he said well that's just the way the world is honey white women won't come here you know and black women are used to this yeah so so i was actually

incorrect he was not performing them in different facilities. He had different waiting rooms. Yeah, different waiting rooms. But nonetheless, if you had a dentist who was caught using different waiting rooms for people on the basis of their race,

that would be a front page story. Everyone in the country would be talking about it for days. It would be used as an example of why we're in a white supremacist country.

That story would be on our radar for years and years. But because this guy was slaughtering infants and because the media doesn't want you to think there's anything wrong with that he was never brought up and he's also black yes yes he's black himself his prosecutor said it was like racist to try to or i'm not his prosecutor his defense attorney was arguing it would be racist to prosecute him in elitist the la times the atlantic slate and time all published opinion columns where the writer thought the incident was not getting

as much media coverage as deserved. Megan McArdle explains she didn't cover it because it made her ill. But also how being pro-choice influenced writers saying most of us

tend to be less interested in sick-making stories if the sick-making was done by our side. Saying, the story should have been covered much more than it was. Covered as a national policy issue,

not a local crime story. Martin Baron, the Post executive editor, claims he wasn't aware of the story until Thursday, 11th of April, when readers began emailing him about it, saying, I wish I could be conscience to all the stories out there. You know what? Fuck these people. They don't pay attention.

They don't read the news. And that's why shit like this goes on as long as it does. When you go out and you say, hey, what's happening at the Capitol to these people in the prisons is horrifying. They say, fuck you. I don't care. Just watch the video. Fuck you. I don't care.

This guy is taking babies and executing them. Fuck you. I don't care. That's what they're saying every time. If these people paid attention for two seconds, serial killers like Gosnell would have been stopped a long time ago. This is beyond. You want to have an argument about abortion? We'll have an argument about abortion.

This is a guy who is taking babies who are outside of the womb, delivered, and killing them. We have a zombie horde in this country that won't listen and won't pay attention, and they allow monsters like this to get away with it. And when they get caught, the media says, whoopsie. Not a story, not important enough to focus on. And another thing that was going on that allowed this to go on for so long was the political pressure that his clinic was not inspected by the health inspector for 19 years. Why not? Because Tom Ridge, who was the governor at the time, said, we don't want to be seen as being anti-women's health, so leave these abortion clinics alone.

And so that right there is what allows it. So you need to tell me that politically. They would inspect nail salons, but not a women's clinic. How many babies did he kill? Let's get as political as we can. How many babies were delivered and then killed? They don't know precisely, but they speculate probably in excess of 1,500. So this is...

Over... And we're talking about babies born. Yeah, thousands. So this is over. And we're talking about babies born. Yeah. Thousands. Is that that is that is the most human. Most people murdered by any single person for a serial killer. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And they say this wasn't big news. They're saying, well, it was a policy issue. We don't want this guy was murdering people. I think because ring fifteen hundred people because the woman was basically instigating it, I think that's why. That's why it isn't being treated like murder, like basic murder. Dude, if a hitman had 1,500 contracts from wives and killed all their husbands, he would be the most prolific serial killer. He'd be all over the news.

They'd call him the dark widow, the black widower. Hit contracts aren't legal, but abortions are. No, those aren't abortions. That's a good point. If there was a hitman, they'd call him the black widower. He killed 1,500 husbands because the women said they wanted this person killed. So here you have basically the same fucking thing. I'll tell you what gets really crazy.

And this is something I don't think the left can answer. When it comes to the pro-abortion crowd, I mean overtly, they're advocating for abortion, not talking about legalities of libertarian and difficult moral positions, which I understand the pro-life crowd probably doesn't care for anyway. But let's just say this. These people are overtly pro-abortion. Michelle Wolf or whatever her name is, she comes out on her show and she goes, you get an abortion and you get an abortion. Lena Dunham says she wished she had an abortion. What's the difference between a woman who goes into premature labor and gives birth at seven months and then throws the baby in a dumpster and a woman who at seven months says to the doctor, kill it? There's no difference. It's a distinction without a difference.

Yes. Right. Did you find any redeeming quality in Kermit while you were doing this movie? Well, he's a very accomplished fellow. He really was. I mean, he's a great piano player. He's, like, very learned. I mean, you know, he was well-educated, very articulate, but he was just soulless.

I mean, he had been doing it for so long that he was so conditioned to just doing it like, you know, you're making an omelet or something. He had no feelings about it whatsoever, and he had convinced himself that he was doing a service to these poor women. You know, they come to him because they have nowhere else to go, and I'm going to take care of their lives and give them back their lives by getting rid of this baby. You know, they say you've got to do a compliment sandwich. You can't just deride someone. So Jeffrey Dahmer, he was a vicious and brutal murderer, but he was an expert chef of human flesh.

And he was a vicious sociopath. Redeeming quality is an interesting way to phrase it because I don't think anything could redeem people like this. Yeah, I wondered if he was ever like... Except Christ. Exactly. You think Christ could redeem him? Christ could redeem anyone. There's nothing more powerful than his sacrifice on the cross.

If God now fell to his knees, knees converted had a relationship with jesus submitted to the church received the sacraments he would be saved or could be saved but he'd still rot in prison for the rest of his life or get the death penalty uh yeah yeah i mean look he he has to face the legal penalties he's incurred on the basis of his own actions absolutely i'm not for the death penalty i think he should be locked up permanently. Well, he made a deal that he – Yeah, exactly. Life without parole. But I got to tell you, stories like this make one very –

the reason why I'm against the death penalty is not because I oppose killing evil. It's because I don't trust the government to tell me what evil is. Right. And so that's why – the easiest way to explain it is kamala harris walks up to you and says we need to kill that guy right there because he murdered babies and you're going to be like kamala i i don't believe you it's not i'm not going to kill that man you know what i mean there's nothing the state could say to me but i gotta tell you this guy you know if i i can't tell you what i would do if i walked into this place and I saw a guy with a bunch of baby parts killing babies.

I'll tell you this. No, I'll say it outright. We talked about this. I was going to ask you. If I walked into a room and I saw this guy holding a baby and about to snip its neck, I'd shoot him in the head. Yeah, of course. I would fucking – I'd say freeze, drop it, leave that baby alone. Well, yeah, exactly.

You don't want to go for a kill shot or something, but you want to use force in order to prevent it. And if you have to neutralize the threat, you aim for body. But when the mom screams, no, don't, how do you do? I don't care. You just be like, fuck you. What do you mean, no, don't? The mom, she wants it to happen.

Okay, Ian, there is a woman sitting at a table, and there's a baby on the table. And you walk in, and the doctor's got got a hammer and he raises it above the baby and you're holding a gun and you and what do you do? She's like, no, don't shoot him. She doesn't say anything. He's got a hammer. He's about to slam it. Pretty clear.

I'll be like, put down the hammer. And then she says, no, don't let him do it. You're going to let him do it? Well, it gets complicated. Well, the mom said, let him fucking kill the baby. we sort of talked about this the other day but here's another element which is introduced here if the child has already been born it can be taken from the mother and put into protective services if she's trying to kill it that's a good point at that point it's not the mom's responsibility we're talking about this guy was killing babies not

abortions he was taking babies that were alive outside of the womb and then cutting their spinal cord so you don't believe in the death penalty you'd kill him yes to prevent well but i just said penalty is a punishment and he's talking about about you're trying to stop the crime i just said the reason why i don't support the death penalty is not because i don't believe in killing evil it's because i don't trust the state oh so you're actually not making the point i thought you're making if you walked in and you saw him standing there with a bloody knife and the dead babies below him you wouldn't kill him i already did yeah yeah yeah yeah no i so so my point is you can the goal is to prevent harm exactly you can use force to prevent harm but you to use it after the fact

is an entirely different story but but also vigilantism the point about the death penalty is even in the instance i saw him with that like let's let's do the emperor palpatine scenario the truly evil emperor he controlled the courts and he's going to get away with it if there was a circumstance in which i knew someone was going to cause harm and kill and the only way to stop it was to kill them, well, then I would. And the best example is probably warfare. I see someone with a gun and they're, they were in war, they're shooting and killing people. And I see them in that kind of situation.

When you're in a war kind of situation, you decide if I don't kill him now, he's going to kill my friends, my brother. Like it's, it's. It's hot conflict. If a person has been subdued or is not a threat actively, then I think they should be subdued and locked up. There's a challenge in I'm not in law enforcement. So any instance in which the state says to me we should kill somebody, I have to trust the state that they're correct and he did something wrong. So as I said nancy pelosi walks up to you ian and she goes ian listen to me this man you've never met before he is a dangerous murderer and

we need to kill him now here's the gun shoot him would you do it no of course not exactly the death penalty yeah but if i saw a guy literally killing babies i'd be like stop yeah and if he was like no i'd be like that stop. Yeah. And if he was like, no, I'd be like that. Yeah. I mean, also, whether you're for or against the death penalty at a philosophical or theological level, it becomes a question not only of that, but do you trust the specific government under which you live? I think it's thinkable that someone could have the position that in certain scenarios, the death penalty could be acceptable, but they would never trust our government with that power. I think there's something to be said, too, in relation to death penalty to get more specifics. I'm sure people are wondering.

If I walked in, the baby was already dead, as you would ask, I probably – I wouldn't kill him, and I would call for the police, have them come and take him away, and I'm still not in favor of the death penalty at that point lock him in a box throw away the key without spoiling this movie that you directed uh how did how did the shit hit the fan with this guy uh he was under investigation originally for writing phony prescriptions for oxycontin and selling the prescriptions and so the police got a search warrant to search his clinic because of this and when the police went in they found all the fetuses in the filthy clinic and and they found frozen fetuses in the freezer they found a whole rack of like little jars where he had clipped off the feet of fetuses and stored them in formaldehyde. And they went back to the district attorney and said, there's some really, really horrible things going on at this clinic,

and we need to prosecute this man for murder. And then within, like, what, a day? Within, like, two hours, they were back there or something? Wow, $2.3 million fundraised to make this movie. Yeah. It was a big, big fundraising campaign. But the other thing that he was doing, too, was that he surrounded himself in his clinic,

not with trained nurses. Everybody else that worked in the clinic were just, like, neighborhood girls that he taught to administer anesthetics. Oh, wow. One girl started working there when she was 15. That's bad. And she was the one that sort of gave them the drugs that put them under

so that he could perform the abortion. Did they bust any of the women? Some of them, yes. Some of them went to jail. I think there were four of the people that worked in the clinic also served like manslaughter or some sort of thing. I don't remember right away. Were there some that had been performing procedures at his behest that they let off because it

was just like they're 16 years old, dude? Right. Yeah, exactly. There was a lot of that. And, you know, since he had nobody around him that could challenge him, that would say to him, this doesn't feel right, you know, and if anybody ever said that, he got rid of them. So it was very, very sinister and unbelievable that it was allowed to go on as long as it was. What are your personal feelings on abortion?

Do you ever talk about those publicly if you do? Well, I think you would probably characterize me as pro-choice, but it's not pro-choice 100%. I definitely think that abortion is the killing of an innocent life. It's a killing of a human life. I think there's a difference. To me, there's a difference in doing that in the first two months of the pregnancy because I don't think at that time that the fetus will—it's not even a fetus—

that at that point it causes any pain. At the same time, though, I go back and forth on this because there's no question at conception that this is going to turn into a human life. It is human. It is. Yeah. Life begins at conception. Yeah.

And so. But it's, you know, my view is not too dissimilar, but a little bit more in the direction of pro-life. I think abortion, causeless abortion for no reason is wrong. Yeah. I think abortion, causeless abortion for no reason is wrong. But I have a governmental philosophical question about one body, two lives and the rights of which and how you confront that. I don't even know how you confront that. There's obvious – like my view is if a woman chooses to engage in reproductive activities that results in a pregnancy, well, I mean, come on. Take responsibility. You have chosen to engage a life form in you to terminate it now is an action you took.

But there's questions of rape when a woman doesn't choose. And there's a question of whether the government has a right to determine a person must give their body to another person or provide their body to another person. That's horrifying to me. But it's shocking to me that I think the science is clear. Life begins at conception. From that moment, you have an independent set of DNA separate from the other person. It's strange to me that we've had lefties on the show.

I think Vosh said after birth. Like when does life begin? Birth? It's like – That's crazy. A better question is when does the humanity appear in the fetus? because i agree with you that it is alive immediately it's alive but but it's only destined to become a human it could die in the womb it may never become a human if you look at what point should we start still it's human well ian your humanity is not something extrinsic

which is imposed upon you later humanity is intrinsic to the human from every moment of existence a human is a human. There's no point in time at which you are not one. Ian, if we were to judge whether or not someone was worthy of life or humanity based on their thinking capacity, well then, I'm sorry, Ian, you're on. No, you're wrong. I'm just kidding. But like you could have told me that, what you just told me.

Everyone's a human. Like you're always a human. But if you told me that when I was six weeks old, I would just hear, no. There wouldn't even be a me. So someone who's six weeks old isn't human and we can kill them? I believe there is no consciousness at six weeks. I don't know. I think there is.

I'm talking about a child that is like, are we talking after birth? No, no, a baby in the womb after six weeks of conception. After conception. Six weeks after. They certainly couldn't hear you and understand you as far as I'm aware, but there is no part of humanity or the rights of a human which are contingent upon them being able to hear and understand you. Ian, are you familiar with Krang?

Oh, yeah. The brain from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Can't survive outside of the machinies. Yeah. Should he be killed? Fuck yeah, dude. He's the villain. No. I don't know. of the machinies. Yeah. Should he be killed? Fuck yeah, dude. He's the villain.

No. I don't know. I always like Craig. No, but I'll give you a real – the actual question is there is a human who a bomb goes off and it blows off the lower portion of the torso, the pelvis, portions of the intestines, side of the face and they hook the person up to a machine with limited brain capacity just going, but looking around and like pointing at things so there's something going on there so he's like Biden

this is a good question because if someone is on a machine with no brain activity and they're laying there it's up to the family to kill it there's no person there anymore there's a really great story Ian you know what locked-in syndrome is? Locked-in syndrome? When a person is fully paralyzed

and they can only move their eyes. I've heard of it. Or not even their eyes. I heard somebody was in it and his parents played Barney for like 12 years while they thought he was in a coma test, but he heard it the whole time.

And imagine the family... He came out later and was like, what did you guys do to me? And imagine the family being like, kill him. Imagine this, Ian. I want you to imagine this. I want you to imagine you're driving your go-kart and you get hit by a semi.

And you wake up in the hospital and you're looking and you're looking around but you can't move anything. And you're thinking to yourself, oh, no, no, no, no. What happened? What happened? And the doctor looks down and there's you know all of us and you know there's your your significant other and your family and the doctor goes the eyes will move as a response to stimuli but i'm sorry ian's he's he's gone there's nothing left and you're sitting there thinking yourself i'm not dead i'm not dead and then he goes i think we should kill him i

think we should pull the plug and would you be be going? Yeah, I guess I should die. And then your mom goes, but is there a chance? Is there a chance? Well, look, there is, but it's very, very slim. It's going to be very, very expensive. And I'm telling you in my professional opinion, he's gone. I think you'd be better off not trying to see if he'd recover and just letting him die. And then your mom goes, well, there is no response. He isn't listening to us. He's basically not there. He has no humanity. Kill him. Imagine that.

You would not be happy with that. No person would. You'd be inside your mind screaming internally, unable to do anything, as they're saying, we're now going to kill you. What's this process called that they're experiencing? Locked-in syndrome. Do they have brain activity during that? Sometimes they can't discern it. And so there's a famous story where the doctor said the light, the eyes will just move as a response, as a reaction to stimuli.

And the limited brain activity suggests this person is brain dead and unable to be. There's a lot of neurons in the heart and in the stomach. I mean, you aren't just your brain. And the doctor says, look, Mrs. Crossland, I'm sorry for your loss. She'd be like, call me Becky. Becky, I'm sorry for your loss, but you need to understand your son has healthy organs, and his death could mean the survival of many more people. Now, there is a possibility he could have survived. He could survive.

But we're saying it's a very, very slim chance, and it's best we pull the plug. How much money do they get for organs? Quite a lot a lot quite a lot do they encourage families to pull the plug i don't know but i'm just saying look if it were me and i was laying on a bed and they were like you know he's dead i'd be like my i'll say this not for everybody give it give me some time how long i probably wouldn't want to be bedridden for years, but a couple months maybe. Give me a chance. Give me a chance. Six months.

I'll be like, first three months I'll be in a deep comatose regeneration. The next three I'll come out after that. You'll start feeling me. I wouldn't want to just give up right away. I've been married for 35 years and it's like I don't trust my wife. I was going to say, this is actually something you can get into when you write your own living will. This is called a limited will where you can say, if I am unconscious for X amount of time, you may intubate me or you may not intubate me. You may let me go or you may try to keep me alive as long as possible.

And that's something that everybody, every single person in this room, I don't care how old you are, should be thinking about now. Because you get in a car accident, that's something they're going to want to know because otherwise your loved ones are stuck making that choice for you. So I don't want to go too long. So I'll just ask Ian one more question. Maybe you guys can answer. The reason I bring that story up is a lot of people try to make the argument that babies can't feel pain or there's no brain activity, thus they're not alive, that's fine.

And there's a lot of questions about human beings in certain positions where you'd probably want to live. And that baby wants to live. One thing that's indicative to almost all life is the desire to continue living. So just being like, for no reason at all, we're going to kill this. But that's why I bring up that scenario. So you can think about that. And maybe we're wrong.

But let me ask you, Ian, if you got into a car accident and you were suffering from locked in syndrome and you could only move your eyes and the doctor says, by Jove, he's he's alive in there. Look up and down for yes and left and right for no. And you could. And they're like, wow. And the doctor says, Mr. Crossland, Elon Musk has entered the room. And Elon goes, Ian, I know you can't give me complex answers, but I have Neuralink right here. I'm going to put it in your brain to interface you with computers so you can continue to experience a whole new life. Look up and down for yes, left and right for no.

Would you accept the Neuralink? I want to tell him to give me six weeks to think about it. How do I do that? You can't. There's no comeback later signal? He's got – in order to communicate, you've got to get hooked up to the Neuralink. Oh, jeez. How bad is it?

Would I be able to tell? You think they can tell from their bet, from their comments on the state, how bad it is? No, no, no, no. Or how their injuries are? No, no, no. They're saying you're never going to recover. And all you can do is hold your eyes. I'd be one of the guinea pigs, I think.

Yeah. That sounds good to me. And then what happens is he puts you in a far worse situation. He finds your personal hell, and he places you there, and then Elon Musk. It's like Morpheus giving you that red pill. As soon as you're hooked up after 16 hours of surgery, he leans over you in the bed, and he goes,

Ian, I've successfully performed the procedure. And then all of a sudden, you feel yourself sitting up, and Elon's got a wristband and he's swiping. And then you get up and you start doing the Charleston. And you're thinking to yourself, no. But would you guys Neuralink hook up to the brain interface if you were in a coma or something? Oh, yeah. I have no idea. I have no idea.

I'd have to think about that. I'd have to know more about what the Neuralink is. I'm also curious to see no idea. I'd have to think about that. I'd have to know more about what the neural link is. I'm also curious to see what any theologians have to say about it. You can't ask those questions. No, I know. I can't answer that question right now. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

And the answer would be no. You have one chance to say yes, and it's now. Before I can answer that question, I feel like there's more I would need to know before I can give a competent answer, and I'm not in that place, so I can't tell you what I would say. I have no clue. I'd probably do it. Yeah? I don't know. I'd give it a chance.

Yeah, because they've restored partial mobility to paralyzed people by putting electrodes in their spine. What about you? Yeah, probably. And it's not so much about me it's about you know what i give the science a chance like if if i can give something to humanity in my death they can give me give an opportunity i like uh um right to try trump trump past that what are

you lydia um i was gonna say as someone who has definitely has a wheelchair at some point in my future because my brain is telling my body that it doesn't want to do the things that it's supposed to do via my nerves I'm pretty sure that if Neuralink came out and was able to help people who are paralyzed or otherwise immobilized and whose brains refuse to do what they're supposed to do

I would probably say yes just because I don't have any other options it's not like cancer you don't survive it you're not a hero. You're just something you fucking live with for the rest of your life. And you eventually decompose till you're like a walking zombie. I've seen it happen. So thinking about Neuralink is especially interesting to me because I'm like, what if they could make it so that you could live a truly normal life with something like multiple

cirrhosis or Parkinson's and then you were able to go on And you didn't become Elon Musk's tool like Tim was talking about, but you were able to do normal functional things. I think that's great. How amazing would it be if like, you know, it's the year 2027, Elon Musk is going on the Joe Rogan experience, and he's sitting in the chair, and you're sitting next to him, and Joe's like, Elon, who's this guy? And he's like, oh, this is my personal

valet. He's got locked-in syndrome but we plugged a program into his brain and now I can control his body. He can't communicate but he gets stuff for me. And then he like swipes and you go, hey, Joe. Well, at least you can still roll your eyes.

You're like, your eyes are going crazy. But he couldn't roll a 20. That's right. But he couldn't roll a 20. All right, all right, all right. Let's not go too long. Do we have time for one more story about Gosnell? Oh, absolutely.

Yes, please. This is my favorite story about what happened on Gosnell. We were shooting the movie, and there was one part that I couldn't find. I hadn't been able to find an actress that suited this part. It was the part of a woman who had gone to gosnell to get an abortion and then she had uh changed her mind after she'd gotten home she felt the baby kick and she called up and she said i'm not going to have the abortion and he said it's too late i've already put the uh the sticks inside you whatever to to you know stretch you out so that we can get the baby out

and he says i'm not coming back. And she went to a hospital, had the procedure reversed, and she had the baby. And in the movie, at the end of the movie, this woman comes up and she has a little four-year-old girl. And she thanks the DA for prosecuting. Well, anyway, I'm looking for this part. I can't find this part.

And I'm sitting in a Waffle House because I love Waffle House. And there's a waitress there who's going around apologizing to everybody for their food being late or whatever. And I keep looking at this woman, and I'm like, she's perfect for that part. And so finally I go up to her, and I say, look, I'm not a serial killer. I'm actually a big-time director, and I am making a movie. I know that sounds like a lot, but have you ever acted before? And she said, no. And I said, would you consider doing this part?

And she said, well, I guess. And I went back and got the script. I brought it to her. We sat there in the Waffle House. She read the lines. And I said, well, would you, you know, I think you can do this part. It's only like three or four lines, but it's a very powerful part. She said, well, I don't know.

How much does it pay? And I said, well, it's probably going to be three days' work, and you'll probably make about $700 a day. She says, okay. And so, you know, she had her whole family follow her to the set the first day just to make sure that I wasn't, you know, some crazy person. And we shoot the scene, and she was great. She was really good, had this really beautiful look about her.

What was her name? Her name was Tessa Franklin was her name. And after we'd done, like, the second second day she came to me and she said you know this happened to me i go what what are you talking about she said i went to have an abortion and i changed my mind after i saw the ultrasound wow wow and i was just like you know i got i got chills i was like wow this is uh this is divine you know this. You know, this is the hand of God here. I think it's so funny that the left is afraid of the laws that say you've got to get an ultrasound because they know what's going to happen when someone says the name.

The more information you have, the less likely you are to choose abortion. That's right. And that's why they have to keep suppressing that. And that's why they can't watch the movie. That's why they never would even review Gosnell. I'd never heard of his name until today. I'd never heard anything about this until today, until like three hours ago.

What the fuck? The reason I ask is because I'm looking at the cast now. I was wondering if she'd come up in the cast list or anything like that. She should. Yeah. I can't remember the character's name, but her name is Tessa with a Y in it. T-E-S-S-Y-A Franklin.

When you were telling the story, I was like, and it was Jennifer Aniston. Or you tell us some really famous person, but I think yours is better. And it's also like, it's not really about what we look like. You could see more than her looks. Like you felt her energy or her. Really, in looking back on it, it was just like, I kept, I just kept seeing her and going, she's perfect for this. And it's like I don't know. I mean it's just – it's not a coincidence.

That's for sure. I don't believe it's a coincidence. Do you believe in coincidence? Yeah, I don't think it is either. Do you think coincidence is real? I don't. Not really. I mean I think –

What do you think? Well, I believe in divine guidance. I'm into this like Providence. I got to tell you, watching that comedian mock COVID, getting the vaccines, and then blaspheme and falling down and hitting her head. I've been into like the electric universe. It's another kind of an alternate theory on the universe that it's all magnetic. So if that's the case, I really believe that divinity is like a magnetic force. But what if it's not magnetic?

Well, I guess I'm curious what the magnetism. I think the magnetisminity is like a magnetic force. But what if it's not magnetic? I'm curious what the magnetism... I think the magnetism is a result of a spin conversation. All I want to say is I think the universe is incredible regardless of what we find at rock bottom with respect to the substance of it. All right. You guys should do a conversation. We should. Ian, we have to.

It's been a blast. Thanks for hanging out. Thank you for having me, Tim. Thanks for being members, everybody. Thanks for making all this possible. We'll to. It's been a blast. Thanks for hanging out. Thank you for having me, Tim. Thanks for being members, everybody. Thanks for making all this possible. We'll see you all next time.