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Every week, we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast, exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now, enjoy the show. So I saw this story, the Dallas Express, I'm not sure what this is but they say dallas mandates trans pronoun use an internal city of dallas gender transition toolkit requires all public employees to use a transitioning person's preferred pronouns regardless of personal beliefs the document obtained by the dallas express via an open records request lays out the protocols

and procedures adopted by the city to support an inclusive and productive workplace environment. Okay, I'm not super interested in going into the nitty gritty details of their protocols for the public. But this is something we've seen in quite a few places, so I thought it'd be interesting to break down. The government mandated use of pronouns, I think, is funny because Jordan Peterson warned us about this. And now we're here. It's compelled speech. I mean, for him, they were threatening, like, arrest. Yeah, Bill C-16.

That's what the one was in Canada. Compelled speech laws. Don't float in the United States. Yeah, his was arrest. He had to, like, forced. He had to go to classes, sensitivity training, the stuff like that that they were threatening him with. And he's like, oh, hell no. And he literally, I think he said something like, I will die before I will do this.

But then there was a guy who actually got arrested because of it. Do you remember that? In Canada? Yeah, he was tweeting at people or something and they arrested him. And then Jordan Peterson was like, you see, I told you. The thing about making me use someone's pronouns is what if I never want to use a pronoun anyway? You can't make me call someone a word. If I'll use like bro, dude, buddy, that kind of crap.

Lerf. I'll call you a lerf. I'll never use a pronoun. So like what's being compelled here actually? Are you just preventing? You're telling me I'm not allowed to call you a certain word? Because that's different. And I am allowed to call you a certain word if I want to.

I might get fired. But this is the weird thing. They're saying you are mandated to use someone's preferred pronoun. That doesn't make sense. Why do you use their pronouns when you're talking to them? Just use their name.

That's exactly. That's the way through it. Just use their name. But this is where it gets weird. What they're basically saying is in external conversations where this person is not involved, you have to use their pronouns.

So who's actually getting triggered by this? It's not the person that's getting talked about it's the person that like so if you're talking to somebody and you misgender the other person that you're talking about that's not there it's the other person that's you know jail are they gonna get fired they're gonna narc you're gonna narc on me for saying the wrong pronouns you know i think i think the answer to a lot of this stuff is embracing it and accelerating it. In what way? Yeah.

Totally. It's like... Acceleration. It's, you know, you see... Yeah, it's make your pronouns whatever you feel like. And here's what I would do. I would get a couple of my buddies, eat these maple nuts that, you know, now I've got nuts in my mouth.

They're so delicious. I have nuts in my mouth. That's getting crushed. After show's fucking hot. It's like that guy, Slap Chop. Watch this. You're going to love my nuts. It is June.

What do you want? Happy Pride Month. What was I talking about? Tim's gay now. What I was saying is, I would get a couple of my buddies and I'd say, here's what I would do. I will try a somewhat weird pronoun.

You try a very weird pronoun and you try the most ridiculous bullshit you can think of. And then we'll see where their line is. And so, you know, I'll say my pronoun is glob globe. Glob globe, glob self. Don't forget it. And then they might be like, okay, you got to use it. And then someone else can do a more ridiculous one. Glabababo, glabababa self, glabababos.

And then the third person can say, my pronouns are Lord Volsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists, and Lord Volsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists self. Don't forget it. My pronouns, him, but with a Y. Don't fuck it up. So the line that the people draw on this, or the activists draw on this, is there's that man that was running for Congress or something as a woman. And it was very clear what he was doing. But he used their platform. And he's like, no, he's like, I'm experimenting. And I realized I can go right back to what I was before because gender is fluid.

And he's like, and I'm questioning. And he was using all their terms. And they're like, and I'm questioning. And he was using like all their terms and they're like, you're making fun of us. And like, they were so mad about it. And that's their line. Here's what happens. Your workplace says you have to use someone's pronouns. Well, clearly that means only when they're not there

because pronouns are used to reference a person who's not there. Or we're talking about someone right in front of them. Right, unless you're- He was just saying, you know. Yeah, which is possible, which is possible. A three-way conversation. People accept it because it is a minor change which doesn't push them

beyond their reasonable boundaries and it feels like respect push them beyond their reasonable boundaries say my pronoun is lord and king and then they'll say uh well john was over here and lord was saying that uh you know he wanted a giraffe for king and if they refuse to do it like the average person in the workplace is going to be like, fuck you, I'm not saying that's ridiculous. Say your majesty. Say, I must be referred to as your highness, your majesty, and my liege. And if they say

no, you can say, those are my pronouns. We'll take it to HR. And it's, no, no, my liege, it's not M-Y-L-I-E-G- g e it's my liege it's it's m i l e e j it's a word trust me just say my liege now to me because nothing is absolute with the proper the proper way to speak my pronoun is on one knee otherwise you're not conveying the idea properly because that's the only way language is not just about uh you know it's sign language to make the tone well my name is a combination uh my pronoun is a just about sign language.

My pronoun is a combination of sign language and spoken language because I want to be inclusive to everybody, even those who are signing. So in order to perform my name properly, my pronoun, you get on one knee and say my leash. Do it. Regular people will say no, you've pushed me too far and that will break the system.

How do you handle the pronoun stuff, Sarah? I don't worry about what people exactly i don't work i don't well one i don't give words power over me and that's what they're doing is they're giving what other people say power over them but it is it's the whole thing is people ask me what should they call me if they want to respect me but they don't they don't feel they can't use my pronouns for religious reasons or whatever i just say use my name, exactly what Josie said earlier. Other than that, I don't really care what you call me. You can call me a dipshit for all you care. I'm not going to take you seriously, but it's the freedom of speech and freedom of association, you know, the whole thing.

Dude, people on Twitter call me all sorts of names all the time. Oh, yeah. It's just the weirdest bullshit. It's like you're saying I have to use your pronoun of Zzer, but you can call me fuckwad all the time. No, no. I'll use your pronouns. You're not allowed to call me fuckwad. Deal? You know what I do when I have somebody attack me and they have their pronouns right in their name?

I'm like, well, that's not the way it works, she, her. Yeah. It's not the way this goes, he, him. I think I've used that before, too. I'm literally just going to use your pronouns and I'm going to use them together as your name if that's. Do you get pissed if people call you he? Like he was just saying.

No, it happens all the time. People make mistakes. And that's the other thing is I, you have to be so like self-indulged to be like, to let that get to you. And if it, and especially if it's just, if it's a mistake and they just misspoke. I've been misgendered yeah that's the other thing is i know so many females that have been called he him all the time because they present more masculine it happens all the time um it's only one section of people that melt down over you know words that are spoken to you true they're just words i mean it's the whole thing, words don't hurt.

Do you think of yourself in terms of like, are you a man that is also a trans woman? So yes, that's one of the things that I think a trans woman is a subsection of man because otherwise you have no definitions. So a man is an adult human male. You can't define it any other way. A woman is an adult human female.

And so your sex is your sex. And so my sex is male. So when somebody says, you know, you're a man, I'm like, well, technically that's accurate, but it doesn't tell the full story of how I live my life and how I present myself to society.

Like that's the whole difference. That's why we use trans woman instead of man. But I do think trans women are a subsection of men. Yeah. I think that's, that's important. That is factually correct. Yes. And man, I feel like that would help a lot of people sort themselves out if they started thinking like they don't cease to become what they were. They're just something else now, or they're changing who they are. You can't change your sex. You have to acknowledge biological fact we have absolutes in this world we're not you know post-modernists who don't believe in absolutes all right let's go there because we had a uh we had lance on the show and i i don't you know about that right yeah so i don't know if you're chose he talked about it when chose he was on my show all right well then let's talk about it um if if trans women are a subset of man is it gay if a man has adult relations with a trans woman it depends

i think blair white labeled this the best when she said that we it's a different type of sexuality because yes if you suck a trans woman's penis it is a it is a homosexual act that is homosexual there's nothing i mean it's a pretty gay act but if you pretty gay that's like what 60 70 yeah but the thing is is attraction if you're attracted to the female form and you like trans women and only women it's not fair to say that you're gay or bi simply because you know you do date males i think that there there can be it's like the difference between you know sex and gender or you can just say that's homosexual yes you're in a homosexual relationship but you're not it's not necessarily a gay relationship so i i think i get what you're saying like it is i if it's it's if you're defining gay as in straight up homosexual

activities it is homosexual yeah but if but actually that may not accurately describe to someone what it means to be in a gay relationship because two dudes who are like two bears in leather you know vests or whatever when people think gay they might think it's like two overt men together yeah and they're not thinking a trans person so it may be colloquially correct, but maybe could be conveyed better. Yeah. I was thinking like, why is it that there is transgender and transsexual and transvestite? Like these are different things.

Yeah. So, well, that's, it's kind of, so what happened? So transvestites and transsexuals were the old terms. It actually was like crossdresser, transvestite, and transsexual. And the only one that was ever considered the t was the transsexual because that's transsexuals take hormones and take the steps to live full time in society as the opposite sex they take the hormones they do surgeries they do all that transvestites are basically cross-dressers who like drag queens yeah or just people that go out

they'll go out they might go to the bar and stuff like that. Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yeah, it's in the word vest, like vet mall vest. And crossdressers just do it for a sexual fetish. They might not even wear a wig, but they do it simply for sex. So a homosexual, homo meaning the same, sexual implies their sexuality is towards the same. A bisexual, their sexuality is towards the same a bisexual their sexuality is to two and then there is uh but homosexual covers males and females so wouldn't transsexual mean someone

whose sexuality is towards trans people that's interesting that's an interesting concept the reason i mean i don't know this is this is what got us into trouble, though. And this goes back to your other question, too. Transgender is a thing because that's what the postmodernism... That's the umbrella term that encompasses everything that means that you don't identify as your given sex. And so while transsexual would pretty much mean what you're talking about, the term has been around for so long it wouldn't be apt to you know that's why we're trying to go back to it that uh that kelly cadigan

blocked me on twitter yeah because i said that uh you know kelly got very mad that i tweeted something that i've tweeted several times a very cold academic statement that uh it was it was it was you know it was gay for a male to have relations with a trans woman because they're it is homosexuality two males who are engaging in sex with each other and then kelly said something like imagine thinking a gay man wants to have anything do anything to do with like my body or whatever and it's like it's not about look there are some gay guys who like small effeminate men are they straight because the men are effeminate twinks no they like men there are some men who like big burly men there are different body types different body types if a person is a man but takes hormones and has breasts or whatever

it is still a an adult male and is still the same sex it is homosexuality but they have a different preference for their for that body type that's why there are people and then and kelly actually brought this up saying that like trans porn is huge and then i'm like okay like so they are gay men who like boobs on their guys yeah but i don't understand why they're so offended by it if these people like when lance was on the show and he said it's not gay to engage in sex with an adult human male who is trans i'm like why are you offended the idea that someone would call you gay yeah wouldn't just be like okay yeah aren't they aren't they the ones that are supposed to be progressive not regressive it's because this movement requires affirmation yeah they they can't be pushed back against you just what's offensive

about it it's nothing why are you mad It's because you're the LGBT community. You like this. If I call you gay, you go, and. Instead, they're like, no, I'm not. That's wrong. So they create this paradox where, Lance, there's no logic to what they're saying. And that's why, you know, Kelly blocked me because I'm like, if two males engage in sexual relations, it is homosexual. That's what it means.

There has to be a logic behind it so you can convey these ideas. So Lance tries to break it down. So here's what happens. The left says trans women are women. And then he said trans women are females. And it's like, well, that's not correct. That's not true. But if they want to run the line that trans women are women, they have to then follow it up with the obvious.

A man who is attracted to a woman is straight. And if trans women are women, a man who is attracted to a male who looks female or takes hormones is also straight. But then they have to follow that path once again. If a man naturally is effeminate and female looking, small and dainty, you are straight if you have sex with that man yeah so two adult men one is big and burly and manly and one is short and effeminate is a straight relationship that's that logic and then the funniest thing he said was said to ian i think you asked like what if like a woman is manly and like you know big and manly and and muscular he goes then that's gay and then he's like that's not cool man you can't call it gay because your girlfriend's ugly i don't know if i said that i want i wish i had said that but

i don't remember saying that you said something like that i don't know someone said i thought it was you i can't like if i look at blair white from across the room and i know my glasses on i'm like that chick is hot as fuck i'm not gay but if i go over to her and it's blair and i'm like okay you're a guy you're man and i start get blair's dick and i'm like, okay, you're a guy, you're a man, and I start get Blair's dick and I'm like, yeah, I love this, then I am gay. But that's it. It is. So the reason that we're all confused

is because one of so Marx in the Communist Manifesto wrote all the ways to overthrow a culture, overthrow society and those were history. You take away their history you know you destabilize their nation one of the other destabilizations that he listed was eternal truths eternal truths are just things that you know to be true two plus two equals four what is

a man what is a woman we know these things we just know that we inherently know them so in order to overthrow your society you need to say, these things aren't true anymore. And that just throws it into chaos, and that's what's happening. How many lights are there? Is that common? Lights in here. No, no.

It's a Star Trek reference. Do you know it? I don't know the meme. It's wild. Captain Picard is being tortured by the Cardassians, and they bring him into a room. By the Cardassians? Cardassians.

Oops. How did that come about? It was Kim. Yeah. They were torturing him. All the sisters were shaking their butts he was like no stop stop i can't i mean that that makes sense but they uh they they've got a torture device and he says there he says how many lights are there and picard says there are there are four lights and then he electrocutes him and he's like oh it was you are mistaken there are five now tell

me again how many lights are there and then it ends famously with mccard yelling there are four lights before he gets taken off yeah and at the end he's like he was so broken he's like i was about to tell him there were five they broke me so hard kind of the just make the pain stop is this like yeah something that you were mentioning it's from a the communist manifesto so this has been tried before been enacted before where they they it's always tried and it always fails. But that's good that it always fails. Always fails. Yeah, but that's what we're seeing taking over with CRT. But it always fails.

It's based in postmodern neo-Marxism, which is always set to destroy the society. Yeah, and then once it's destroyed and everybody is weak and just wants a solution. That's the thing. Everybody just do whatever, just fix this. You know, that's the thing everybody just do whatever just just fix this you know that's that's that's where they want everybody to get to and then once once they're there they're putty and it doesn't have to be logical but i do feel like if the right never takes the bait and isn't getting violent the left loses yeah exactly it's why it always loses the good guys always win they need to just so they need to destabilize the country

destroy history get rid of uh immutable truths or what were they called yeah yeah there's uh let me see was it immutable truth yep uh they got to get rid of they say abolish nations so uh borders abolishing borders is communist it is not libertarian no but um what is ailing the average american the average person it is not right-wingers running around smashing things it's actually the left so if the instability increases you will end up with a right-wing militaristic government not a lefting one because the the you're you're pulling all in the direction of the left and then finally people are going to snap and say i can't fucking take it anymore make it stop and then trump will stand up and be like i'm gonna call in the police and the military and then they're gonna be like

do it yeah that's what he had tried to do that with BLM. And they're like, oh, my God, how dare you? He never invoked the insurrection. No, no, he didn't. He didn't do it. But he talked about it. Sorry, I had worded that wrong. He'd spoken about, you know, possibly like maybe I should call in the troops, you know,

like it's a kind of discussion point. And this is where they were like, oh, my God, absolutely not this. They're peaceful protesters. And because everything he said, they had now pushed back against that that people are being pushed in front of trains and shot and crime is skyrocketing they're just going to be like welcome let's go do whatever you have to do to fix it well that's the fear that's where we don't want to go yep i've i've spoken about it like this you know you know the pendulum theory it's like i've always i've always said i do what i do because i don't want the pendulum to swing back too hard back the other. I like that it's starting to move back.

But what it's starting to feel like now is instead of a pendulum, it's like a rubber band. The left is pulling so hard, so hard. And it's about to snap. And it's just going to cause a whole lot of chaos on people in the middle. Or it'll snap their own hand if you're doing that. They will pull to the left and the rubber band itself will snap. I'm sorry i'm eating these nuts delicious yeah they're so amazing but another another thing about this

if you think about like what i had said about communism and stuff how that's infiltrated into every institution everything i mean it's in big tech it's in it's in big pharma it's in the schools the universities it's every single institution has it so things like bud light the richest people at the top of bud light are not going to get hurt. Who's going to get hurt? The delivery drivers, the people at the breweries. Those are the people who are going to get hurt. Those are the people who are going to lose their jobs. They're creating a double class system. It's already hitting the distributors. Yep. The richest people are going to be fine, but the poorest people are going to get poor. The middle class, shrink in the middle class, get them them poor so this is all a big communist well and you know how they're doing it and this is i actually

my last op-ed that i wrote in human events was kind of about this because what you're seeing now and i've seen it a lot in a lot of these protests like the riley gains protests and stuff like that where it's you can like you can look and you can be like those aren't those people aren't even trans like they're not doing this but they're pushing it under the transgender name because it's been so over encompassing. So what happens is that they tried to do the same thing with BLM, with CRT

to push the same agenda but what that required was for black people to be on board with the ideology and then execute the violence. It's why you saw a lot of the violence was antifa who was not black and was white trying to execute this violence in their name what they realized is they couldn't do that and so under with queer theory all i call so all trantifa has to do is go out there self-id into the trans community cause all this violence cause you know all this

you know this chaos in our name and then when they've destroyed the acceptance rate of trans people they will simply self-id out of the category leaving the transsexuals to clean up the mess and deal with the fallout from it are you is that happening i i mean we're seeing it happen i mean it's why you've seen the uh the rhetoric so much higher on the right because you're seeing and you're seeing people move from the from the more centrist position where i um you know the whole i'm done being nice to trans people id ideas are coming out there because it's just people that were once nice to trans people and you know we're fine with it it. Like even Kelly J. Keene said in 2013 that I don't know why some radical feminists are so hateful towards actual transsexuals.

And now look where she's at in speaking on the issues. It's happening a lot. Well, it's Dylan Mulvaney. Yeah, this is a big part. When Dylan Mulvaney prances around in heels, I've been saying this for a whole time. It's not just mocking women. It's mocking trans people. And then what happens is high-profile conservatives say,

see, this is what trans people are. And I'm like, no, no. Like, Dylan is Borat. He's a mercenary. Dylan is Borat. Like, this is what happens in a war. You'll have two warring factions, and then the third faction will come in and be like,

God, both these guys could stand to be knocked down a peg. I'll go into one and make it look really bad, set up more hate for one side than you create, or even two sides that aren't at odds. You go in and create the conflict that puts them at odds. So there's not just the right and the left here. There are other organizations and factions that are attempting to hijack and coerce the system

using things like whatever the popular movement of the day is, I guess BLM and the trans movement today let's go to callers oh fuck yes good callers i haven't been here for callers yet so far oh yeah uh well let's begin by speaking to three if by treachery how are you hello there you're where you're with us now i'm good can you guys hear me yes perfect uh thank you all for taking my question really really appreciate it um you guys earlier were talking about uh state-sponsored currency i think like he had may have mentioned like florida coin and i i found that just interesting because there are states that are already taking back

some of their authority when it comes to the creation of legal tender um what comes to mind for me specifically are what's called goldbacks and i'm not sure if anybody here has heard of them but there are three states i'll bear back that are creating them yeah we um yeah you mean the ones that have already been created because i lived in utah for i went to university of utah for that's where my alma mater. So I've seen them before, the Utah ones. I was going to go grab some, but I forgot my keys. It is, I just, it's really interesting that states are actually kind of going back to like, hey, you can't actually manipulate this, you know?

Yes. And I want to reiterate that I meant couponing money, not coining it. And that's going to follow me around for the rest of my life. All right. So just be clear there. Thank you for understanding. No problem. No, I just, you know, like I said, I wanted to bring that up and see what your guys' thoughts were on it. I mean, I find it interesting that they're actually trying to use the gold as the medium of exchange and not trying to exchange it through some type of, you know, fiat, right? And people aren't a super big fan of the premiums you

pay, but inflation covers that in like less than two years. So no, that was that was really my question was, have you heard of them? And what do you guys think of them? I bought a good little stack of them. A couple hundred bucks is about it. You know, I've got some silver, some gold. I think they're great to have. I think crypto is really great. I wouldn't say any one of them is is the absolute but they're all good for different reasons i think the goldbacks are great but no one's gonna be able to tell it it feels like plastic so it's you know are they really going to accept it what's it really worth and then the cost of producing it's actually pretty decent because they've got to put the the it's like a polymer casing over it so that actually increases

the cost of it which interestingly you could argue the gold of the bill is worth $4, but because of the manufacturing, it makes it worth five or something. Yeah. My concern with having every state having their own currency is if you can't use Florida currency in Utah because they're not organized enough without a federal centralization focus. And then that,

that dissolves the union essentially, if we're not all bound by the currency, which is kind of the through line of what we got going in the United States. The upside, of course, is that states would have their own currency and that they could issue, get discounts and stuff. So as long as the currencies are interrelated,

like as long as I can spend Maine coin in Utah and Florida and every other state, I think that it can function. Well, that's what happens with international travel. If you go overseas and you and every other state, I think that it can function. Well, that's what happens with international travel. If you go overseas and you use your credit card, it will automatically do the conversion rate. One world currency.

Yeah. So digital will automatically do that, that what you're talking about. You can be like, oh yeah, I have a bank full of Florida coin and you go to Georgia and you spend it there and your bank will automatically do it now that could also increase you know transaction rates though too with with visa and everything but i'm not sure uh-huh um and if the power goes out always got to be ready for the

power to go out so as long as you it's it's legal for you to go into like a target in west virginia and spend california coin there well it's interesting because I remember I grew up again, I grew up in Michigan and we used to go to Canada and there was a point, you know, we would always go and Canadians would love the American dollar until the Canadian dollar became worth more than the American dollar for a little while. Then they would never accept the American dollar. And it was really weird because we always accept Canadian coins. So it's a little bit funny like that,

but you'd have those same type of issues going across state lines. Like $20 here is not $20 in another state. So it would create some conflict, and that's the whole reason why a centralized currency took fold. Did you have any follow-up questions on that? No, no follow-ups. I just personally collect them because they're cool. The designs

are fantastic. I think they're worth more as a personal collector's item, but you guys are the best. I listen as much as I can, and thank you for taking my call tonight. Thanks for calling in, brother. We have a bank of Columbus. This is Columbus, Georgia.

What is this? $10. There used to be like hundreds of currencies in circulation. Crazy. Because all the different banks. And you just like didn't know if it was legit. Unless you knew the bank. It's crazy. And they were like, we must create one currency.

Trust me. But it's actually a really interesting... You guys know the story of the creation of the Federal um not in depth so uh basically jp morgan's people read this book about a ship called the titan and then built it and tricked all the rich so it's a conspiracy theory that jp morgan wildly checks out and a bunch of other bankers convinced everybody to go on this great cruise of this unsinkable ship intentionally sank it to kill off all of this wealth and then all their money was locked was in banks with no one to claim and they used that to create the federal

what the fuck john jacob astor died on the titanic yes he did founded a story in new york where have i heard that before do you even watch james cameron's titanic oh was he on was he in that there was the character of aster was in that movie yep tall skinny all right who's next great movie we are going to bring on america first how are you america first you're second i hope you're okay with that that's fine hey guys a question for the whole panel to give their opinions Sarah mentioned the Mulvaney effect which awakened normal people to the pride stuff being pushed everywhere

but Target has had that pride section at the front of their store for over half a decade I've seen it year after year but finally the right is standing together to boycott which is great and works I have a dozen friends that have stopped shopping there as of last week but looking back over the last 20 years i'm wondering what the panel now thinks of the idea that quote-unquote gay marriage was the first domino that fell that led us to this point because they asked for acceptance and fair treatment and the erasure

of the eternal truth that josie just mentioned an eternal truth something that has been known through all of human history that marriage is between a man and a woman. And inch by inch, the right retreated so as not to be labeled bigots. And now look where we are, still labeled as exactly the same bigots, if not worse. We've gained nothing and lost everything on the way. Well, the problem is the right retreated on everything. The idea to me that like Dave Rubin is going to be happy and have a family i literally have no issue with that i think dave is going to be a better is going to be a better father

and have a and give a better opportunity to his kids than a large majority of of people in this country could or would uh and that's not condemning a lot of people who can't it's just saying you know i think he will create a great opportunity and intelligent upbringing for those children, which is a really good thing. Seamus disagrees because they use surrogacy. And I think, I'm not sure if it was Libby, but others disagree.

And I can definitely, I definitely understand those points. And I think they're actually pretty good. But in terms of, you know, marriage, saying that two adults who feel a certain way and love each other should be barred because we're upset that pedophiles are now infiltrating, I think there's a hard line there. I can certainly agree with the idea there's a slippery slope and we have to be sure about it, but we have to be sure that we're fighting against it. If we say, okay, you are two adult males or females. You love each other. One's in the hospital and dying,

and you want the same rights and access as any other couple, I think that's appropriate and fair. Just because we allow that doesn't mean that because we did, we now have pedophiles. We've always had pedophiles. They're exploiting the system.

They've infiltrated. And that's the big problem. The ideological capture and the groomer capture. Now, there is a problem that many of these same people, fetishists and things like that, it's not about love. And that was the problem. The problem was that when I was growing up, they told me it was about love. They say, oh, it's just people who love each other.

And I'm like, I agree with that. Then why is that guy bending over and getting spanked by that guy in public? That has nothing to do with love. That's the problem so separating kink from the rights of individuals who love each other is something that should have been done and never was but to put it simply uh if you came to me and said should you know dave rubin and his husband be allowed to live and have the same rights as a as a male and female couple i'll say yeah i understand why people don't like that and you don't have to agree that it is a legitimate marriage i just want to make sure that he can

be there for the person he cares about and he loves but just because we allow that doesn't mean we allow the groomers in the in all over the place and so the issue with the pride stuff is that they're introducing sexual concepts to children and they've infiltrated so if a few years ago we were like look if two people love each other it's none of my business adults can do what they want that's where we were now we're at the point where we're like okay kids open your butt sex book like that's the problem that's the problem so there's no one wants to elaborate yes there's that there's that meme that's like what happens if gay people get married if they're checking off all the things it was from like like 15 years ago or something

and there's this meme this is what happens if gay people get married right and it's a circle it's pie chart and it's all blue and it says gay people will get married right and that's blue but then beneath it it's like a plague will happen world war three world war three will happen. World War III. World War III will happen. Yeah. And then it's like, we're going to teach kids about sex in schools. And it's all happening. All this stuff from this pie chart.

So I think, like you were saying, it's if, I don't think the government should be involved in marriage in the first place, but if it is, it should be equal across the board. Anybody should be able to get married that loves each other. I wrote a piece for Reality's Last Stand that was called, the slippery slope fallacy about this and we i talked about this because you it it makes a lot of assumptions that gay marriage was the catalyst that led to this

when and it shouldn't you know if you were okay with gay marriage and you think that you were wrong at that point then you're making a lot of assumptions that what's going on now wouldn't have happened if gay marriage wasn't legalized. And at what point do you go back and say, this is where I agreed with this, but I don't want to go past this point? Because you can go all the way back to, and Josie loves this, because you could go all the way back to women getting the right to vote. Yeah.

You could say women... You stole my answer, Sarah. You could say women got the right to vote wow women got into the workforce women created gender studies courses in universities queer theory was derived from gender studies courses in the 1990s and then um it was changed to transgender which is the post-modern term in 2013 and so i mean radical feminists have been fighting this for a long time how did we get women the right to vote that was created by industrialization that was uh and mass mobilization

weapons and conscription when when you no longer needed a warrior class so it used to be that if you if you wanted fighters and soldiers they had to be trained from a young age then we made rifles we we advanced to the point where we could mass produce weapons you could hand to someone and say point and pull now people didn't need to be trained fighters as much with the musket you still needed people to undergo some training but it was easier to have militia where you could throw someone a musket and say here's how you load it go do it and you can be effective once we got to the point where we had repeaters we were basically like anyone's a warrior now once that happened we know like once we got to the point where people could shoot a bear shoot a wolf shoot any intruder safety in

this country skyrocketed the threats to women diminished and now you had more and more women emerging who were independent so let's go back in time why were there no suffragettes hundreds of years earlier because they were with their husbands and they had to protect themselves from danger and so they would not want to go out into the woods and and fight they would do homely things and the men would go off and do the more dangerous things many of the men would die the donner Donner Party, for instance, it was the men that died. Most of the men died in that first because the women did not work. They explicitly said to the women, stay here and stay safe because women are very important because they have babies. Once we got to the point where women could be safe with no family and no husband because people had guns and women could have guns, all of a sudden now you're getting more and more women who are independent and need to make decisions for themselves so we could say we

could solve this whole problem by getting rid of guns right yes i'm kidding we go we we return back to a a tribal nature we reduce the overall level of mass safety and it creates a situation where men are dying substantially more often than women and women are more worried about their safety and then you get rid of women voting i think that would be all my point is this backwards all of these things lead to this moment yep yeah it wasn't just one day we went you know what i thought about it and women should vote it was you have a bunch of women who aren't in families who are now demanding the right to vote whereas women women even to this day women who are married are more likely to be republican that's true yeah i think also the uh the the gay marriage thing i don't i

don't i'm not too concerned with it because i always think of marriage as a legal construct not as a religious construct um it's just the state is saying now you get tax benefits so it's like a business contract whether you love each other or not is almost irrelevant it is irrelevant um and and i think that the mass indoctrination and sexualization of children is a result of the internet and like socialized communism and this attempt to um disrupt the united states or or the the ethics of the united states from outside forces that would have happened even if it was still illegal for gay people to get married. Yeah.

Remember, the LGBT community already fought off NAMBLA one time. And so we're just doing it again. True that. And you're right. I mean, this whole thing, it could stem anywhere and you could stop it anywhere and and the way that marriage works it should just be whatever it's a it's a contract exactly what you said well it's a america first did you want to elaborate on anything else um just two quick points one i still wonder if the one vote would have gone through if they would have had to do

the same as men and a sign up for the draft and b sign up for fire brigade because somehow we got out of both of those agreed but still got the vote and the other point i just want to say is for ian um i love you i've been praying for you for months and do me a personal favor sit down sober and read the book of romans it's like a 45 minute read that's my only request i love you thanks what's so good about what's good about romans it's always it's just a really quick it's a it's a quick book that can kind of it's it's like the they call it the romans road to salvation it's like the the best book to read to understand the idea of the gospel so it's the quickest thing that you can read to kind of get the whole grasp of it. Is there a modern iteration of the Bible? I do not know.

The challenge for me is like, I've sat down to read the Bible on many, many occasions throughout my life. I went to Catholic school. And it's like reading a passage that says like, and doth he yelled unto thine with thy wind. That's what it feels like reading the Federalist Papers. It's exactly the same. There's the new international version, the NIV and the NASB, N-A-S-B. Those are both a little bit easier to read.

I've heard of the NIV. Cool. I just want to say I haven't answered your question. Look me in the eyes. It's the 19th Amendment. That's what did this. That's what got us on the road. That's what gotth Amendment. That's what did this. That's what got us on the road. That's what got us because women vote with their feelings.

Women didn't have anything to lose. Women were at a risk of being drafted. Women were like, oh, hey, this sounds really nice. You know, and that's like the kind of bills that we're seeing pass through Congress right now, like the I love everybody bill that kills puppies. You know, this is the kind of stuff that we're dealing with, and it's because they vote for it because they vote with their hearts which is

admirable to to feel with your heart you know men have a certain position women have a different position and these are just biologically the way it is that's why men protected women you know if i was in congress i would do nothing but that i would make like the saving cute puppies and protecting the baby kittens act. And then it would be like, we abolish the Department of Education. Yes. Like, why are you voting

against saving puppies? And they'll be like, your bill just gets rid of the Department of Education. No, it's the puppies bill. Congressman Massey, are you listening to this? And then, and then get this.

I'd run commercials where it's like, Senator Dubowitz voted against the saving puppies act. This is exactly what we do. This is how we win. This is how we win. And then I would do it all the time.

It would be crazy. It would be like the, you know, protecting cute, cuddly babies and giving free money to everyone bill. And then it's just like the Federal Reserve is abolished. Immediately. And that's the thing. You have to be one.

It's not subjective immediately. And the thing is what Congressman Massey does, he does like one one line bills because he's like that's all they need to be and honestly i agree with that but when it comes to these you need to fluff the shit out of them and then put all at the bottom is abolished yes exactly because they don't read the whole thing that's why i like that's why i like state bills state bills are like one paragraph and it's super easy to get context on what's going on we do the providing welfare protecting the environment and providing schooling for all people's act and then the it'll be three pages of in this country we recognize that it's very important for people to have good job good

education good skills so they can live their their lives be better and have the american dream and then you go on and prattle on for the bit and says but but in a strong and protected environment is also equally important and then finally at the bottom hereby it be resolved the federal reserve is abolished effective immediately exactly or or the other thing that you do you just submit the constitution because nobody's ever read that they're the declaration of independence nobody's read that and that's that's what it is and then at the very bottom you're like the department of ed is gone yeah unfortunately i don't think it matters what we name bills because the left will give them that's what it is and then at the very bottom you're like the department of ed is gone yeah unfortunately i don't think it matters what we name bills because the left will give them their

names i mean that's what happened with the parental choice and education bill in florida oh yeah it doesn't say gay that's that's the actual name it's called don't say straight bill yeah yes yeah you can't talk about straight parents either so do you say we got florida i am a rebel. We're going to jump to the next caller, America First. Thank you, America First. Appreciate the time. Thank you, America First.

Let me just put the mute on there. And now we'll talk to Kaba, C-A-B-A. Kaba. What up? How are you doing? Hi, Kaba. First things first, is there four or six bees in globabo six just because it's a more ridiculous the bees are silent yeah the first one globabo is b-g-l-a-b-b-b don't forget

i just try to be respectful that's right thank you um so quick question long question um thinking about many of the conversations that you guys have been having related to Bud Light and Target, it seems as though the leadership from these corporations breached their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. Agreed. Lead significant shareholder losses, right? Yep. So taking the same principle to mutual fund managers, and I think Sarah, you were alluding to this earlier. You take that same principle to mutual fund managers, investment bank, financial institutions. It seems that these managers are, they're instituting the exact, well, they're breaching the exact same fiduciary responsibility

to their mutual fund holders and people that are sometimes forced to invest into particular funds. Like my previous employer, I had to invest into a Vanguard fund. There was no other way about it. So between employers creating environments with rife, creating environments rife with discrimination, money management leveraging their investors' capital, the fund, personal politics, the entire system, seemingly coordinated, and it all seems like it's working towards the destruction of this petrodollar. It seems like we have to have some sort of recourse on this. I can't believe that this doesn't allow us to step in and take these people to court in some way. Yeah, that's actually pretty – it's like a dawn of that. That idea is dawning, I think, on people, realizing that impact investment actually could be considered a violation of your fiduciary responsibility to your clients well and that's what he's saying is who is actually interesting because didn't joe biden veto a bill that would have made it illegal for um public public 401k funds to invest into esG funds? I'm pretty sure that was the, his only veto

has been on that issue. He instituted an executive order that basically says you can't sue over climate-related investments. Wow. That's a form of impact investment is the climate

stuff. So he's trying to protect it. Yeah. I think Biden wears diapers. I mean, he did poop himself. Right. Had to change his suit. Took a long time.

It's called Executive Order on Climate-Related Financial Risk. And he signed that in May of 2021. The investment in the trans movement or stores that uh hold that stuff is not climate so that would i don't know if there's any protection against that cultural climate i don't know oh that's that's funny climate related yes social climate as well the thing is is i think companies like target and kohl's and all this would have been fine if it was just, again, selling pride stuff. It was when Target has tuck-friendly stuff. What's tuck?

When you take the penis and you push it back and there's like a flap and you could put it like a pocket and wear it like it's not there. And the tuck stuff is for males that want to hide their penis yes and yeah so there's uh yeah the inguinal canal is what it's called i think it sounds right i've heard and so tucking is when you push the testes back and up into the into the body and then fold the penis back so that the man can simulate not having male genitals i'm a girl and i'm cringing yeah that's well dude look i gotta tell you i'd be careful

these these fake these these these arm meat penises that trans men get oh yeah it is strange to me because they they look like an os Oscar Mayer sausage with hair on it. Yeah, there was one that looked like... That viral one? It was like the dildo. It looked like a dildo. It was shaped like one. Oh, it was like the...

Yeah, it had a bulge. Because they can't actually make a real penis. And so, look, man, I feel bad for these people because i don't know what they think that that it is it's very strange to me but i i think it might i i don't know it might really be the dysphoria if they look down and see that they have a an appendage there i don't yeah but you don't get any sex i don't think you get any and they become incontinent and so and that surgery has never made sense to me at least you're still sexually functional i mean that would be after you have that would be my guess the other way around yeah

but it's like when you have that surgery not only and it's not even just the way that it looks even if it looked completely real and was functional it's not if you have complications it's when that's well known in the community like there's no doctor in the community that doesn't have at least one malpractice lawsuit. Like the one of the best doctors in the world has two of them against him. But it's two out of how many surgeries he's done. But it's always complications with that surgery. I don't know why anybody would get it. I mean, it's adding something. Did that get to your question, or was that way off? I mean, I mean, I still haven't kind of do you guys think that we we have some sort of action here i mean this this is i mean even america's legal is doing it really

investments i mean where where do the raw materials come from who does the manufacturing it seems like some way to basically transfer wealth. Everything seems like that right now, for sure. Well, yeah, COVID, for sure. Yep, COVID, Ukraine. Yeah, it's all. I'm pretty sure America First Legal is suing over a failure to uphold their fiduciary duties. So people are going to recover those losses.

That's usually the way to affect change. Even with the transient of kids, Chloe Cole's lawsuit is going to be the biggest thing that happens in this. It's going to de-incentivize the transient of kids. Until you actually de-incentivize doctors from doing it, they're still going to want to do it.

In states where you can't pass bills, that's the way to do it. Then that will reverberate around the country. The one that was doing it in florida was getting around lawsuits because she like something like she didn't have insurance or something yeah so dr gallagher yes yes the the the yeet the tea the yeet the tea lady yeah oh look at she yeah she did not carry malpractice insurance so no lawyer would take a case against her because they knew she wouldn't pay it right wow wow that was the ad that that is another level of just monster that was in florida wasn't it that yeah where's ron it come on that was uh before jazz jennings got a surgery while in florida

under ron desantis wow yeah i would think if if the doctor couldn't pay the malpractice uh insurance claim out but lost a lawsuit then she would spend time in jail as recompense. Nope. It's just bankruptcy. Yep. Yeah. It's civil. Cutting off girls' boobs is civil.

And then what happens is... Well, now it wouldn't be, but yeah. Not in Florida, yeah. But then what happens after they're bankrupt, a different person will open a firm and hire them and do the same thing over and over again. Yeah. But anyway, I want to make sure we're getting to what Cabba was requesting. Yes, the answer is yes. person will open a firm and hire them and do the same thing over and over again yeah but anyway i want to make sure we're getting to what kaba was uh yes the answer is yes suing these companies for lack of fiduciary responsibility that is the way filing yeah yeah i agreed i like to hear thanks for calling in of course man all right last storm storm 49 what about the other 48 storms it's got some world war ii vibes am i right or

wrong 49 is after the war so technically yes because alaska did was invaded by the japan during world war ii aleutian islands that's great yeah i mean they're right there basically yeah people don't realize how far alaska goes yeah true yeah and then they don't realize they're not right there to the rest of alaska right. True. Also, check out on Alaska. Yeah. Where they do the crab stuff. Yeah, on Alaska, it's still even closer than Attu and Adak, where they landed. So, sorry, we shouldn't be going on that.

Anyways, let's get to the question. Yeah, yeah. Pardon me. So, I feel like America First and Cabba, we kind of got answered, but maybe elaborate deeper into this. This is for Sarah, for the author's comment. Do you believe that the Pride movement, which is much very different than I consider from the LGBT, do you believe that the Pride movement has swallowed the LGBT or was produced by them?

And then is it possible to separate the two? And by separate the two, I definitely see you, Dave Rubin, Blair White, Buck Angel, as much more of the sane members of the community, especially like Doug Smurray, who disavows almost the whole community, like the whole in general community in general. Or is it, is that too late? No, that's, I mean, we're trying. We're trying to, and actually like me, Blair White, Buck Angel, and Marcus Dibb are kind of working together right now to try to make trans. I actually have a hat coming.

It's a red hat, and it says make the T transsexual again because we need to get back to the language that makes sense. Because, again, transsexuals are binary. And when they changed it to transgender, it moved it into a non-binary system. And so what you're talking about, the pride movement is the queer movement. And so, yes, I've been preaching for a long time. And I think we're trying to separate. And you're seeing a lot of more LGBT people coming out that are like, we're not with the queer movement. And so we are trying

to separate, you know, I, a lot of people say, you know, drop the, you know, the LGB drop the TQ, but I always keep it LGBT drop the Q because it's the Q that's pushing everything onto, and it's kind of swallowing the rest of the community. So it is going to take from within the community to stand up and drive everybody else out. Tim, real quick, the Senate just voted to suspend the debt ceiling and cut federal spending biden plans to sign the bill into law averting a u.s default yeah stupid i'm looking at on alaska i'm like i'm gonna go here no you don't dude i've been there it sucks really why what's going on over there it's just an island with like a mountain

on it it's way too small the chickens will die it just gets way too I didn't say I was gonna move there it sucks I'm gonna go hang out for like a weekend somebody please send ten dollars for chicken sushi oh they got a safeway yeah the safeway is they do have a safeway I've actually been there I've serviced the restaurant there I'm just saying it'll be fun to go there for like two days, man. What is it? You won't be there for two days. You'll be stuck there for a week. Right. Nah, we'll get a PJ. You will get

stuck there for a week. It's not the actual location. It's the weather. The weather will bank you in. It always banks you in. You can't fly out? You can't fly out or you can't fly in. It's one of the two. It's a three-hour flight out.

They sit there and circle around for a half hour, and then you get to draw the lucky straw and go back to Anchorage, which I don't like Anchorage. We wrote the chat earlier saying how much I don't like Anchorage, and I live here. All right, okay. What about Barrow? Barrow is further north.

That's even further. No, what's above? Sika. I have not been to barrow so i won't comment on barrow which is now uh udikovic now oh that's right that's right they changed the name yeah yeah it's right there so it's very flat and it's very cold or it's very muggy but it's always summer it's always summer at ud It sounds like East Coast pizzeria. But it's always summer. It's always summer at Utikvik. Except for the picture from Google.

Until when it's not. Until then it's 30 days a night, which is a horrible movie. Oh, brutal. What about Point Hope? I've actually heard that Point Hope is beautiful. I've actually not been there myself. I've driven by it. My personal favorite is Talkeetna. It's definitely kind of like a little

hippie town, but it's actually really nice. really kind of nice right by the river um my second fit i'm going to default to where i grew up i grew up between like palmer and wasilla which has kind of got like a nice like hundred thousand population but you go you there's the mountains right there you can easily drive family like nice fishing spots rivers the rest The rest of it. God damn it. How did I turn into a tour guide right now? Wales. That's where I want to go. The westernmost city, right? Just go hang out with Sarah Palin and you know, is that what Wales is?

Sarah Palin is actually lives off Lake Lucille. She did not see Russia from her house. She's thinking of like the Diomedes. The islands between us. Yeah, is that Russian though? So no, there's two islands there's two diamonds yeah it's american and the other is russian whoa cool go away well anyway what were we talking about because we're getting we're getting late yeah god damn it i love the

um but uh we i was going to talk about like so yeah the queer pride movement. Separating the queer movement from the LGBT. I'm all about that. Well, because I was also like, I have gay friends who also like, they say like, LGB sink the T, which is interesting. And I obviously wanted to ask you about that. But it's also like, is it even possible at this point is the pendulum now swinging too far to the other side i don't think so i think actually what you're seeing a lot of

now is there are more and more you know based lgbt people coming out i mean i see a new a new trans person coming out like every day it's a smaller account usually and you just got to be careful with them sometimes but you know uh because then they sometimes they become grifters but um yeah i mean i i think it is possible um i mean i'm seeing more and more enthusiasm i hang out in um and actually the republican party in different areas are is pulling in their log cabin chapters as well like I got the bill passed to ban um hormones and surgeries in Georgia with the help of the governor because I have made a phone call to somebody that I knew and he made a phone call to the governor and we

got it passed because he was supporting it on the floor. So I think that they're listening to us and they are taking into account, you know, the LGBT community is here. And there are a lot of people that we can prop up. So if you, you know, even if you're not right wing, you can go into these different organizations that are very accepting and, you know, help you, you know, and build a movement around it. Which is what a lot of us are trying to do. I mean, you have, um, like I said, we, we have different organizations popping up. I think Buck Angel and my friend Laura started, um, who's a trans woman who's actually in the military, um, started a company or organization called Transsexual Unity, um, which is trying to take it back, you know, trying to take the T back. So we're um which is trying to take it back you know trying to take the tea back so we're just trying to fight to take the tea back from the from the queer community

and that and then like gays against groomers is still out there there's a lot of different organizations trying to fight to uh to separate the community and it's going to take a it's going to take a movement because it's not the gay people on the left that are pushing this it's the straight people who don't want to be gay like ian no what was it uh from uh no wait what was his name from the surfs uh lance lance yeah like i'll take it i'll take this one damn no you compared ian to lance that's pretty rude but you think it's a lot of homophobia is driving people into a rage. Is that what you're getting? I think that it's a lot of straight people who are speaking on behalf of the of the, of the community,

the activists are speaking yet the allies. I get called transphobic, homophobic, and all the phobics from allies more than I ever get hate from within the community itself, honestly. And I think that they, they need to do that.

Like if you even look at the bill in Florida, like they always conflate it with gay people. That's the thing. And it's like, it's not. We're telling you, we don't want you to cut off the healthy breasts of a child. And they're like, why do you hate gay people?

You know, and that's like the first place that they go with it. So. Yeah. Anyway, does that answer your question? I'm just looking at, I'm just looking at. I'm just looking at i'm just looking at okay so more for tim and you you did and i i really thank you sarah because i know that's not

a fun question to ask especially during the whole bud light thing i will say tim if you're going to come up for a weekend and you got to plan around the weather which good luck is etch can or juno they're both gorgeous but my heart will always be in a big lake wasilla palmer that's where i grew up that's my stomping grounds but yeah alaska is beautiful would you say juno and what was the other city catch a can catch it since yeah i've heard Juno's nice. Juno's very beautiful. I'm just saying for Tim, because there's no way he's going to take that milk run up to Juno and get to Ketchikan, because otherwise he's going to have to

land in Wrangell, St. Petersburg, and then Juno? Or he's going to go from Ketchikan to Sitka, then Juno. I've made that point many times to serve with all these Safeway locations. Is Sitka nice? Anchorage looks nice. It...

Okay. It's nice to visit. I'm also jaded because I also call it Skankridge and Shankridge. Shankridge. They got a Texas Roadhouse up there. They do. We actually have two. We have one on Old Seward and one in the Takatnu Commons. If I would give you

$5, you could spell Takatnu. He's like an expert on Alaska. Which military base is up there? I know people that are stationed there. There are multiple. So which one are you talking about? I know the one in Fairbanks is awful, but the one in Anchorage I can't remember. Well, there's two. Because you said military, not army.

So Richardson is the army one. Fort Rich, yeah. Eielson is the Air Force one. I've been on both. And then there is J-Bear, which is Joint Base Elmendorf from Richardson, which is here in Anchorage. There's also, I've actually been out to, if you want to Google it up, this is the furthest I've ever traveled for work, is Eielson. It's a... Eielson?

How do you pronounce it? How do you spell it? It's, okay, it's on the island of Shem that's s-h-e-m-y-a yeah doing this all from my head without going google got it yeah look at that there is there is like five military personnel out there followed by a lot of raytheon and the rest of them that sounds like Fort Story Virginia. That sounds like so much fun. It was an adventure, but you can't go anywhere

because there's active bombshells on there. Oh, I see. Not active, but they're, what's the word? Unexploded ordnance? Unexploded ordnance? I don't know. Yeah, unknown unexploded ordnance. They're still left over from World War II. Whoa. Have they just lined the island to protect it or something well if it's right next to where

atsu no it was and then we're oh yeah i was looking at atsu atsu and kisco right next to it yep because like atu's right next to it and just like shirj were saying they launched they launched a major attack onto the transmitter building and just threw a bunch of shells out there a lot of them because it's world war ii technology a lot of them fell onto Shemya, and they're just kind of like, don't go out there just in case. That's actually the case at a lot of military installations. You walk around a lot of places,

there's still, like, you have reporting procedures as if you find an unexploded ordnance, like what to do, because they have to send EOD. You throw a rocket. Yep. Do not do that. That was a joke. That's a Fallout reference.

Yeah. Some kids fucking have done that so many different times. Anyway, I think it's time for bed. We went late. Absolutely. Thanks for hanging out, man. Thank you for having me on for so long. I apologize.

No worries, man. Alaska talk. I'm like looking at Alaska like, where am I going? Let's go somewhere. Cheers, brother. I appreciate the time. Thank you very much. I appreciate it have a go man of course cheers sarah thanks for hanging out yeah thanks for having me this is this is always fun absolutely and for everybody who's a member thank you all so much for supporting the work that we do we will be back tomorrow we're we're having the dudes from brave books tomorrow in the culture war or one of them and uh josie i believe will be joining us as well hopefully fingers crossed we're gonna find out at the last minute i think because i we're talking

about brave books i'm like we gotta have someone who has kids yes like especially especially a mom who's like here's my concerns are so it should be fun and then i'll be up at youtube.com slash timcast at 1 p.m so thanks for hanging out everybody and we'll see you all tomorrow