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Episode Date: August 20, 2023

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Every week, we produce four uncensored episodes of the Timcast IRL podcast exclusively at Timcast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at Timcast.com. Now, enjoy the show. So, the live stream is broken. We can't fix it. It is what it is. And we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff, but I did want to just briefly talk to you about a little bit of the legal experiences you had so maybe people could get some insights into what's going on with uh with what trump may be experiencing then we'll uh we'll try and jump to callers as quickly as we can because a lot of people they have questions for you but uh we were talking before the show about how when you were you were

not even a target of muller but you were you were being investigated i don't know what you can say so i don't want to i can i'll say anything i don't care i mean there's nothing it's over i think well so i mean it costs it costs insane amounts of money yeah i mean you're just a witness yeah you're not even a witness i don't know what there's a legal term uh basically like a person of interest i there's there's all these technical terms that i'm not that familiar with but bottom bottom line is that you're either a target or you're not, but they can compel you, right? So they go to you and say in the same way that they would any other witness. You're subpoenaed or your team will agree that you'll voluntarily do this or they'll whatever. But no good lawyer these days, I mean,

is less than a grand. And then there's always another lawyer, probably another one, and then a paralegal. And just having a conversation. And part of the problem is that the lawyers will tell you it's – if they're not guiding you, you don't know what minefield you'll step in. So you'll say something, oh, gosh, you didn't realize that that's technically a violation of the law, what you just said. So now we've got you. So there's a lot of people go, well, if you have nothing to hide, why do you do this? Well, part of the reason is because you may inadvertently say something. Let's say hypoth time, texting would have been a violation of the Presidential Records Act. So they go, oh, you were doing what? I said, oh, I texted him this document and blah, blah, blah. Oh, we just got you on a violation of the Presidential Records Act. Did you know that that's five years or a $20,000 fine?

I mean, again, that's all very hypothetical. But the point is that if you don't have legal protection, you can say things that inadvertently – so – What if you plead the fifth on everything? You can't. You're not a target. You don't have any – you can't do that. You're not – you can only plead the fifth if you're going to incriminate yourself. Yeah. But if you don't know you're incriminating yourself – No, no. Witnesses do this all the time, and then what they have to do is offer you a broad immunity. Well, again, part of it is so that –

And then you got to go to a lawyer and say is this right i mean again part of this is you need legal counsel to tell you what you can and can't do because i don't know the answer to what you just said i'm not a lawyer so maybe a lawyer says oh what tim just said is absolutely right but i wouldn't know and so you get these lawyers they rack up bills i mean i was telling you at one point there was a story about you know spicer who's a press secretary, had a notebook. Of course I did. I would write down this reporter call.

This is what time they call. This is their deadline. I mean, most press secretaries have some notepad. Otherwise, you'll never know the phone number to call the reporter back. You're supposed to keep it all in your head. Yeah, yeah, which is insane. And so the next thing you know, literally Axios puts out the story within – I mean, it came out at, let's say, 7, 8 p.m. By 8 a.mm the lawyers are calling me

and saying hey um muller's already called over you need to preserve everything but then we have to go through every notebook and it's hey what's that notation well that's my doctor oh okay then we're gonna whatever you call that uh that's uh privileged privileged yeah then here's uh here's a conversation i had with my mom because she asked me to send something home and I didn't want to forget what she had asked me. So I wrote it down in this same notebook. It's like you're not going to carry five notebooks for – hey, this is personal. This is work. And so you rack up these huge bills.

They ask you to testify in front of Congress. Same thing. And I don't think that people fully appreciate when these probes happen and you're hearing a lot of stories about these 18 other um co-conspirators or co whatever the co-defendants that they have with trump part of what they're going to do is pressure them and you saw the story today about giuliani where he's racking up these bills going to trump saying hey because at some point you don't think the prosecutors aren't reading that and saying ah giul Giuliani's in trouble. So they go to Giuliani now and say, hey, it's the deal, Rudy. If you tell us these five things or help us get to it, you know, we can probably let you off of this stuff.

Or, you know, whatever it is. But that's – they're all trying to get the big fish and they're trying to get you to squeeze you. Now, that wasn't the case with me with Mueller. I didn't have any – I mean they weren't – they're just trying to build a case. But it costs money. And for a lot of people, it destroys their life. Can you say how much it costs you or do you want to? I would tell you that you're in the six-figure range.

Because there was one guy on Twitter who said it cost him $300,000 as a witness. Oh, I'm sure. And again, for me, I sat for one day, eight hours. Wow. Yeah, and you're sitting around. I mean, the table was about this big. I sat like I'm facing you. And instead of just you and Ian and Serge on the end, you know, Hannah Clare was like my attorney who sat next to me.

And they would lean over or maybe pass it and say, OK, hey, I'm going to get clarification on this. But the rest of the table was filled with FBI agents and attorneys who. You know, what would happen if you said, you know, so, so you got a phone call. Is that what happened? So, yeah, I got a letter and said, um, this is, you know, we, we intend to see, you know, we're being, we're in this investigation. You're well aware. And so, um, how do you want to proceed? And my answer, you know, of course it was, well, I'm going to retain counsel. How do you want to proceed? And my answer, you know, of course it was, well, I'm going to retain counsel. How do you want to proceed? And like, but what, what, what are they, what are they asking of you?

Come in and talk to us. Oh, I'd say no. Yeah. And that's the, but as a non-lawyer, I'm sitting here going, okay, then how does this. I've actually, I've actually, so I've experienced that. I was in a, when I was down in, during the January 20th riots in 2017, after I left, I got a, I got an email from, uh, this is funny. Cause, uh, I got an email from a, I think it was a federal agent that was investigating.

I think it was the FBI. And I immediately was like, fuck you. Like I'm not, I'm not, they left me a voicemail and sent me an email. Well, so I, i reached out to a lawyer and said you know what should i do and they were like lawyer said call him back and uh tell him you're not interested have a nice day i i think again there's a line between an investigation and what muller was and frankly for sure for sure but bottom line by the way is that the president was like go for it like i want he believed that he had done nothing wrong.

He hadn't, I'd been part of the campaign. I mean, to be honest with you, part of the story was, are you guys nuts? I was on the campaign. This collusion didn't exist. I mean, we almost wanted to tell our story. Right, so I think a contempt charge would be the best way to handle it, to be honest.

But again, part of it, Tim, wasn't, we wanted to get out there and say, you guys are nuts. well yeah but that's that's the biggest mistake you can make when it comes to any that's why i had a lawyer right though there was that famous supreme court just i forget his name who said uh never talk to cops if i got a letter and they were like you're we want to come in and talk to you i just throw in the garbage if i got a certified letter saying we're requiring response from you i would personally respond with thank you for your time i'm not interested have a nice day if i got a subpoena i'd say fuck off you stasi cunt and then they can hold me in contempt like they did steve bannon and i'll fucking sit in their torture cell and read a fucking book or something or no book i guess i

don't know yeah i think my wife and kids probably wouldn't have that's how they get you i did i agree yeah and they know what they're doing yeah this is not – I'll tell you this. I will tell you this. Stasi fucking prick. I will tell you the one thing that was interesting to me. I've never seen an operation where it was like they knew – and this is why they do what they do. They knew the answer to every question. They had emails and they built – and so when they asked you a question, it wasn't,

they were looking for information. They were looking to see, to confirm something, to build it stronger. But I've never seen a more comprehensive understanding of, of that. When they came in, it was game on baby.

I mean, they knew everything. What was it? What were they even, what was it all about? What was, well, it was sort of like on this day, when this happened, what was your interaction on

that day? And it's, well, you know, I got to work and I was asked these five questions and, okay, well, did you talk to anyone else? Yeah. As far as I can recall, I think I talked to, you know, Tim that day. Did he, what was he, what did, did he react? And I mean, so they were trying to, to, part of it was they were building something and they were just trying to make sure that all the pieces in the puzzle

were in the right place. What was the case? I don't remember like what was. Again, part of it is you're not privy to the entire puzzle. It was like, they're going to show you this little piece. And again, I wasn't,

I didn't figure prominently. So everything I had said, I was the press secretary. Everything I said was public, you know, so it wasn't like they were like what did you i was like well watch the briefing here's the tape from c-span why am i paying my lawyer a thousand dollars to sit here when you could just watch but again part of it would be hey prior to that briefing did anyone come in and tell you to say that no i that was my you know i came up with the thing or hey i sarah sarah

sanders and i crafted this and went forward or yeah we did bounce it off the lawyer which lawyer I mean so it wasn't this way you know I was a small cog I think a big component of what's going on is all these personalities are going to be financially ruined or or harmed and their time and energy is going to be constrained so they can't run a campaign yes that's the point yeah you just believe them yep yeah but it's also because they can because they're spending taxpayer money yeah unlimited funds oh those guys and that's the thing is that that's where when i say people get you if you're the government and especially the the folks i've always heard this about the southern districts

and you they they they'll just they will destroy your life and they find it i mean they can just because there's nothing that's they're not this isn't a private sector entity, right? So they can just sit there every day of the week and be like, knock, knock, knock. Here we are again. Let's sit down. You can't work. You can't go anywhere. To your point about putting you in jail, well, let's say you got a family.

Let's say you got a mortgage. Let's say – I mean at some point you say, uncle, what do you want? Right. People just give in. So I know that you've got an early appointment. So we'll jump to callers now in the interest of saving as much time as possible and getting all these questions. And so let's let's go to our callers who've got some questions. Yes, indeed, we do. America first. You're first. Once again, how's it going? questions actually for tim so earlier you were advocating for all the republican candidates to drop out so trump's the only one on the ballot the idea was to you know shock the frogs out of slowly boiling in the water so that would i guess force the hand of the democrats to take them off

the ballots in some states like michigan my state pennsylvania etc well not not so much talking about it wouldn't like that old man it wouldn't going into vote it wouldn't talking about it wouldn't like that old man. It wouldn't going into vote. It wouldn't go ahead. It wouldn't force them to take Trump off the ballot. It would stop them from doing it. And I'm not saying he should do that. I'm saying Trump made of there. So before the primary, it goes to DeSantis or Vivek. That way we can have a, you know, a sock puppet as the GOP. But if all of the Republicans dropped out right now and said, we're all behind Trump, it would stop the Democrats from being able to find a replacement and a soft landing. Meaning if they want to, if they try to remove Trump, it would be an apocalyptic maneuver because they'd have to outright remove the Republican candidate and the ballots for everybody would just show Democrat. I guess that's my question. So in that scenario, it wouldn't be the ballots for everyone. Like Sean was saying, it wouldn't be all 50 states. It'd probably be a handful of states. And then what? Like you talked about the old man kind of going into the voting booth and being

like, why is only Joe Biden on here? And they would be upset. But, you know, violence is not our path. Courts are not our path. So it strips confidence away from a system that is already struggling with legitimacy. If if there's a bunch of people in a small town who think the federal government is illegitimate and doesn't represent me, they don't provide for me. They just take eventually ties get severed. That's how the for me. They just take. Eventually, ties get severed. That's how the American Revolution basically comes to be. The crown was so far away, it was viewed as an illegitimate form of government for the most part. The founding fathers said, we can run this whole thing independently. We don't need the crown to be involved at all. They just did not view the crown's ruling as legitimate taxation without

representation. We taxation without representation. We had no representation. Therefore, they're they're an illegitimate ruler. And we decide here's a declaration of independence. We're gone. If the Democrats take such egregious actions that this election, 2024, has only one candidate and even in one state, it's going to be the it's going to be a lightning shock to all the frogs in the pot more than just

turning the temperature up. I don't know what that does, but I got to tell you, sitting in a pot slowly boiling is how you cease to cease. It's how you get cooked into food and cranking the heat up too much. The frogs will jump out and that causes problems. So I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not saying we should do it. I'm saying that's an argument, one argument as to why Trump is correct in having the other Republicans drop out. Okay. I can see that. Right on. I appreciate it.

Well, thanks for calling in. Fantastic. Thank you very much. All right. Next we have J Turbo. J Turbo. How are you? Hey, can you hear me?

Yes Loud and clear Alright, perfect, perfect So this originally was for Tim Because I thought of it last night But having Mr. Spicer here makes it even better So my question is about The media lying to the public

And basically How they always have claimed It's for the greater good of the country and my example is during even before world war ii but during fdr's presidency the majority like nobody knew that he was paralyzed and couldn't walk basically and that he was in a wheelchair and the media knew this and kept it from the people for the greater good of the country to ensure that they didn't see the president as a lesser person or something like that. So basically, my question is, is this a good thing overall in any sense? No. Do you think there would be any any way that they

could just be like, yes, we need to lie to the public because this would help benefit us? I think it's time you and I come clean about what we actually know about donald trump don't do it donald trump is actually 37 years old he's a spry as they come and he can bench 400 pounds we're not supposed to say that there was he that was what he was going to reveal next tuesday he's gonna go he's gonna rip the mask off here's the point though i i love the phrase because you actually hit on something that i love is this idea i idea. I wrote a book, my second book called Leading America. And it was funny. One of the chapters, I went into this whole thing about journalism school. And what you've seen in a bunch of these journalism schools is this mission statement where it talks about the greater good. And you just asked it in your question. They get to decide what the greater good is. And in that case, it was we believe that no one should see FDR. It's our decision. What you see, you see what we want you to see.

And that's, again, what we're seeing more and more every day now. We cover up Hunter Biden's laptop. We cover up all of these nefarious activities. We don't let you see the burning and the looting and the destruction because we don't think it's in the best interest of what you should see. But we're going to show you everything that Donald Trump does. And even if it's not really true, i.e. Russia, et cetera, et cetera, we're just going to perpetuate whatever myth. And that's the problem is that the media is single-handedly deciding what you see, what you don't see, who's good, who's evil. Think about all of these people that they deem good and evil right that we talked about uh christopher anthony um he's suddenly bad

within you know 72 hours of the song because they don't like the message anymore who's he who is he hanging out with who's embraced him and that's that's the so now it's we'll ignore him and we'll brand him. We don't like Sound of Music, Sound of Freedom. Probably don't like Sound of Music either. Sound of Music's hot. But this is the media today, and this is why I think independent media is the way to go. There are subjects that you cover every night on TimCast that no one else is covering, and yet look at the numbers of the people who are on live, who stream it, whatever,

and that's part of the reason who are on live who stream it whatever and that's part of the reason i'm getting kicking off this new show i want to be part of this and i i just don't think there's any ecosystem on the right that exists on a network or a platform that isn't independent what about greater good like if the economy was about to crumble tomorrow and they were like well we can't tell people because there'll be a run on the bank. We've got to figure out. Okay. Do you think it's better to lie to people

so that there's no run? You just think, show everything to everybody? Why is it? But what's the guy? It's late, so I forgot that. Who's the guy that shorted? Michael Burry.

Michael, yeah. He's telling us. Yeah, he was telling everybody. So what? I mean, my point is- I didn't believe him. Yeah, but somebody's going to- Be transparent. What's the worst? Some people are going to win. Some people are going to lose. I don't want it to happen, everybody what so what i mean my point is that yeah but but somebody's gonna why the be transparent

what's the worst because some people are gonna win some people are gonna lose i don't want it to happen but you can't keep lying to people i guess if there was like a commander in the military who's severely outnumbered and they're like they think we're all gonna die there's no there's no feasible way we can win this battle but if you tell your troops that then they'll just give up and they won't fight i'm not saying that there are not times in situations but you're asking a broader question about the government and the media strategically are there times when when a leader has to do things again i think it's situational but generally speaking the that's not the media's job they're supposed to be the ones according to their mission statement if you will to tell to to bring us the facts

democracy dies in darkness is what the washington post tells us except the things that they don't want us to see or know but you think it's supposed to die it's okay for a military commander to lie for the greater good no i don't in fact i've served 24 years we're not that is not part of the ethos we're not supposed to lie are you asking me are there extenuating circumstances where in order to achieve a strategic goal that if we don't get to that flag and yeah i'm going to tell you that 99 you're going to die but i need one person to come through and hit that button there are times when a commanding officer or senior officer might need to do something to achieve the mission and might not be completely transparent again and then the press secretary acts as like an extension of the

commander of the military so is it the media or is it well again i think we're going down a rabbit hole in the sense that i don't think that as a principle it is a good idea to to lie are there can you can we play a game for 20 minutes and you tell me some circumstance where in order to achieve an a life-saving achieve goal or that that in that one particular circumstance maybe but i don't think as a principle that should a government or a media should be engaged in that there there are some circumstances but they're usually very extreme circumstances and you've got to figure out if what you're fighting against is i'll put it this way typically no no i'll say this be careful when fighting monsters lest you become one for when you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes back so the issue is let's say aliens

were about to uh were on track to invade the earth and we got word the u.s government said like hey look we've got there's there's an alien ship coming here and then a communication comes in somehow transmitted that we can understand and we translate to them say we are going to fucking destroy your planet and we're like oh shit how much time do we have till they're here three years if the government came out right now and played that video for everybody we have three years until we are destroyed by an alien vessel en route to distress. Half the people wouldn't believe it. Bunch of people would lose their fucking minds. It would be chaos. So what they do is they'd say, how do we mass produce weapons and defensive systems without people realizing why? Otherwise, we won't be able to do it effectively. This is a big challenge. There are a lot of military

things that are going on where we have no fucking idea for all we know vladimir putin teamed up with the ghost of saddam hussein to plant a dirty bomb in new york city and that's why we're at war in ukraine the problem is if you don't have the consent of the governed you're just doing whatever bullshit you feel like doing because you're the self-righteous prick who's in control that's the problem with lying to all the people so there's got to be a heavy lean towards being honest and there's got to be legitimate reasons for secrecy which we were supposed to have but typically now we have secrecy for bullshit and it's just weaponized against people and they're lying for power you've got to have some kind of some kind of way to purge corruption there's no perfect answer i think the reality is the line between light and dark is uh it's not

absolute or easily defined you know that's the challenge but uh why don't we i don't know if that was a sufficient answer to you good sir anything else to add was deep uh yeah that was pretty good the only real follow-up was basically uh continuing with it if if he's willing to. Was there ever, or not an opportunity, but a point where you had to somewhat lie to the American people for the greater good, Mr. Spicer? No. Well, that's great to hear. There are times, just to be clear,

there are times when you have bad news and you'd say, hey, this is how we're going to present it. But we never said we're going to cover up. I mean, there were classified, I mean, look, I sat in several classified briefings and new things about threats that we faced could not say anything,

but that's very different than, than actually denying the existence of them or lying. Right on. True. Well, thanks for calling in good, sir. Thanks,

man. Yeah. Yeah. Tim, Sean, keep spreading the message and keep pumping that iron and hand it clear. We good sir. Thanks, man. Yeah, yeah. Tim, Sean, keep spreading the message. Ian, keep pumping that iron and hand it clear. We love you. Cheers, man.

Thank you. Thanks for calling, sir. Just like, thanks, dude, for not even mentioning my name. Hey, I'm not telling. I'm not telling. I'm here running the show. Perception is the most important talent. Yeah.

How are you doing, Jonathan? Hey, I think I'm doing pretty well. Hope you all are doing well. Thank you for taking my call. Of course. So what I was wondering is, we've seen the Democrats go and engage in all manner of legal fairy tales to go after Donald Trump, and I'm wondering ideas on maybe the Republicans could pursue. So, for example, you have what Ian likes to refer to as the surrender to the Taliban. Well, why doesn't a Republican DA go and say that well you gave the taliban

all manner of military equipment so we're going to charge you with providing material support to terrorists yes yeah or or something else on that you could also go and say well you are criminally negligible or maybe guilty of manslaughter or a murder of some degree for all the soldiers that were killed so for example you have riley mccollum who was the um i think the the marine corps member from wyoming who was killed he is from an area that voted 80 20 for donald trump in 2020 what's to stop the district attorney in rural wyoming from charging all these people in the biden administration i can i can tell you anything anything related to that death why does a man not punch himself in the face for it would hurt

himself and none of us these people will not bring charges against themselves there you go hope that answers your question thanks for calling in no i'm half kidding that the point is that they're not interested they don't want to go up against the machine they want to be in the machine they're they are the hand of the machine can i tell you one of my pet peeves i'm sorry this is but this goes to your point we've talked so so many times uh not just tonight but every time i've been here and i know here, about the media and what they do and don't. And then I sit there and watch or read these reports of all of these conservatives who trounce out to the White House Correspondents Dinner and our potted plants.

And I'm like, this is the point. We can't say that we want to fight them or go up against them and then be like, but we'd like to come to your party. Yeah, I'm tired of listening to these people complain and then go, then why the hell are you hanging out with them? They're not on our they're not our friends. So to actually answer the question, they absolutely could and should. Yes, that's a really good point. But they don't want providing material support to terrorists. Charge them on all that. What about the border?

Charge them on all the election denial. A Republican D.A. right now should say in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats did this, that and otherwise reached out to alternate electors called for faithless electors. It's all criminal fraud, according to Democrats. Holy fuck. Imagine what they would say if they're like they're charging the DNC for trying to reach out to electors to not vote for Trump but that's fine oh okay so you're going to drop the charges against Trump no that's criminal so then you're going to let the charges stand against Democrats no because that was fine make it fucking happen these they funded a dossier

yeah brought it to a government agency and said this is real I mean like that you want to talk about suppression and interfering with an election and then when donald trump started to talk about it remember towards the end of the campaign and in 2016 they said how dare you discuss the mere possibility of going after a political opponent we don't do that in the united states and they castigated everyone on the right who even suggested it and we went oh i'm sorry we won't talk about it again until they did it yeah yeah is there anything you wanted to add uh jonathan though any you know expand upon it or yeah just uh sean i don't know if kim possible references mean anything to you but you're bond diggity dancer i'm gonna hannah's laughing and claire's laughing so i'm gonna have to ask

her i didn't get that one it's a it was a It was a Disney Channel cartoon and I'll catch up after. It's just a youth fan. Kim, you mentioned a couple of times that YouTube just went and yeeted a bunch of your old videos. I might actually be able to help you on this because about four years ago I archived a bunch of channels,

yours included, so I might actually have any of those videos sitting on a drive somewhere. See if you can find the Isdal Woman. So I would just have the YouTube title and things, so if you could... I don't know the titles. One of the videos is called The Isdal Woman. You can Google search the story about her.

Produce a segment in Bergen. I'll see if I can find anything, but if you hit me up in the discord or if somebody connect with me i can see about trying to get you any videos that you want word sounds good yeah thanks for calling in sir cheers thank you jonathan all right some guy some guy live how are you good evening gentlemen and lady i hope everyone is doing well i appreciate you taking my call we'll go straight into it. My question is for Mr. Spicer and anyone else that wishes to opine.

So being in public relations for so long, I'm guessing that you're familiar with Le Bon. So my question to you is, how do we ignite the wave of indignation to get the conscientious right out of their nine to five job, go home, take care of our family and ignore everything else, get them to become activists like the left? Or are we doomed to watch them voter? Ballot harvest their way into a into another victory well look i i as i said earlier in the show i think with whether it's bud light target uh on the on the sort of one side that the ie stopped showing up uh to the uh christopher anthony slash sound of freedom like we're starting to see it happen i think the problem is for so long there was a degree of hopelessness or people said this is just the way it is and i think what we have seen uh and now we've got to continue to translate it to the ballot box is people saying no i mean donald trump was the first time that people said holy smokes actually if we go out there we vote for this guy we can

overcome a machine and we started to see it on the on the commercial slash corporate level with you know the the the examples that i just mentioned so the answer is look i just think that the people have got to stop being hopeless and saying we can win let's do it the last thing i'll say is there is a level of purity that the left has they don't care john fetterman can't put a sentence together and the people of pennsylvania said i don't give a shit he's a vote we sat around and i get my matt odds isn't the perfect okay i get there were two choices two freaking choices i talked to so many people in pennsylvania who went like you know he's not a hundred percent

maga and i just couldn't vote for him i couldn't vote for him and now you have an ogre uh representing the people of pennsylvania because they don't care. I mean, how many times do we see they'll just do what they're told? And I think that we've got to start knocking sense into people. My view is it has always been primaries are where our side has it out. You bring your best. We'll bring our best. Sometimes my side wins.

Sometimes it doesn't. I don't care, though. At the end of the day, the worst R beats the best D. Right now, they vote for Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. And I get it. Our side's not perfect. Not everybody's pure. Sometimes people strike.

I get it. But we have these internal battles about how pure somebody is. Their side's like, who cares? Can he raise his hand and vote yes in the case of federman not really but they still they stand by him because close enough yeah so my point is fight it out in the primary and then if your guy doesn't win sorry do it again wait you got another primary coming in two or four or six years but until then like we've got to stop this crap of being like our guy's not that pure

i'm not going to back i get it i don't like susan collins in maine but i but at the end of the day she she's a republican vote that puts us in the majority a majority that will stop the biden agenda stop their nominations stop their policies and right now i'll take that because one vote was all that mattered between getting and ushering all this crap that's allowing them to put people in office. If we had been able to stop nominations, I mean, think about how many crazy ass people are filling the bench and are filling these positions. And we all sat around at the stupid purity test in Georgia. No, that was fraud. I mean, there were people outside with protest signs refusing to vote

because it was fraud they could have walked in and voted but they were like what's the fucking point i get it you lose so anyway you know this is like a i have to go to timcast decaf stay hopeful keep making shit too do you want to elaborate at all on that, some guy? I mean, I think you touched on it. One thing I would suggest is to encourage people to get their money out of the big banks, put them in credit unions to get it away from the ESG, away from BlackRock and State Street Capital would be my big suggestion. Lastly, I just want to comment. Serge, your cables give me anxiety. If I send you Velcro, will you use it, my man? Dude, you're talking, I'm assuming, about the post from yesterday that I made on my page?

Indeed. Yeah, that's just us testing the gear. Like if the rack was here and I could put it in the rack, trust me, I would put it in the rack. But it's not here yet, so it'll arrive sometime soon. Don't worry. One point about him, you mentioned the banks and ESG. These state treasurers around the country, Jimmy Patronus in Florida and others, who are standing up to BlackRock and State Street and saying, I don't care. Riley Moore.

Exactly. West Virginia has done great. Arkansas has done great. Oklahoma's state treasurer. Initially, they got this pushback from BlackRock. Oh, we're not this and this is the blah, blah. When people have a backbone and are willing to fight, we get results. And it took a bunch of guys that were willing to take some backlash.

And they're starting to get results. But it's because of that. You start getting out of these banks and going, great, I'll go to a credit union. They'll start getting the message. It may not happen right away, but we're seeing it now. They're paying attention because these big state pension funds and whatever are going great, yet enough of these states that are saying we're out. But it takes having the backbone. Yeah. Clint Russell said he couldn't, in good conscience, he's an economic advisor, financial advisor, that he couldn't encourage people to do that, to take their money out of big bank and put it in because they're not insured like the big banks are.

And if you have more than $250,000 and you have a small credit union, that money is going to disappear if the union goes out of business. Whereas you're federally insured with like Wells Fargo. You're federally insured at a credit union. It's not federally. It's a different kind of insurance,

but there's insurance. But there's a literal, I think it's an intentional by the state or whatever to push people towards a big bank to have this unipolar banking system where they can shut you off with a click. but there's a literal i think it's an intentional by the by the deep by the state or whatever to push people towards a big bank to have this unipolar banking system where they can shut you off with a click one big bank i'm not saying don't move your money but that was just something that a financial advisor had mentioned is that he couldn't he couldn't in good conscience recommend it i don't think that means he wouldn't do it he just wouldn't recommend i think know the

rules yeah right on man thanks for calling in some guy appreciate it man keep that wave of indignation going brothers right on right like definitely for sure agree with you that solidarity agree with you there my friend uh yasha grateful how are you what's up guys good doing good excellent great to hear it so just thinking about uh your time mr spicer at the press secretary i was just thinking about some of the stuff that you may have observed and just wondering from your point of view, what was the biggest hypocrisy or lie that you kind of observed that no one would believe if you told them? Great question. I think there was like a general – like I would have a conversation with a reporter and say you know lay it all out here's you know i remember one instance in particular uh there was something

to do with it's like black history month right and they were accusing us of doing something and i brought out say four of the obama statements and said this is the cookie cutter language and they would look at the the the facts and it was just like yeah sorry like once they had a bone it didn't matter right and they were what i thought was interesting was how many times despite the facts that they they were just like sorry i gotta go with the narrative and you could tell them or you'd be like okay this is literally you know cookie cutter what was done for four years like there's nothing different here and it was like yeah i i get it i mean i i remember the first day people don't forget this because there was you know again it's it doesn't fit the narrative

this is literally within hours trump says you know we hit the ground running uh i want to show the american people i'm actually getting stuff done and i'm not screwing around going to parties the day of so he's going to sign four or five or whatever executive orders he said sean bring the press in and so we we bring in the pool which is a 12 person representation so you get like a print reporter a radio tv uh you know etc so it's this represent wire reporter etc so they come in and visualize this for a second there. They face the resolute desk of which the president is sitting behind signing. And a reporter by the name of Zeke Miller, who was at that time at time is you fail forward in the press corps is the story comes out trump removes the bust of martin luther king now immediately i'm thinking a couple things well first of all it's the first day they take everything out of the oval office because the new president's leaving a new one comes in that's how

it works so my first thought is no kidding i'm sure that there's like four chairs like i pulled out too and and a rug and i mean that's how we're not important my first thought is, no kidding. I'm sure that there's like four chairs that got pulled out too and a rug. And I mean, that's how- They're not important on anything else. Right, I mean, it's, you moved out and the new tenants are moving in. They take everything out, right? So I was thinking to myself, okay,

like I'm sure that there's 10 things that aren't there anymore. That's how it works. The second thing I'm thinking is like, what the hell are you doing? You're facing the Resolute Desk. This statue would have been behind you. Okay.

The reason I say that to draw a visual picture for you is think about the mentality that you're walking into that room. You're supposed to be staring at the President of the United States who's sitting at a desk. And what are you thinking? What's the mentality? The mentality is I'm going to look around and find somewhere to get you. So it turns out that the bust was there. It hadn't been removed. The president had kept it,

but it was behind him, right? So the reporter who was like, I'm going to see if they took it away was looking in the wrong direction. Yeah, and then he blamed a Secret Service agent from blocking him. Now, did he come out and say, Sean, because I'm there,

did the president remove the bust of Martin Luther King? I couldn't see it. Can you check? No, I'm going. Did the president remove the bust of Martin Luther King? I couldn't see it. Can you check? No, I'm going to file that. Not here are the five executive orders. Here's how the president kicked off his presidency. Let me, you know, it's almost like he said, let me let me show you. He spilled on the rug.

But it was I'm going to inflame racial tensions within hours. Now, put that genie back in the bottle, folks. And it was, oh, I'm sorry, my bad. The rush to screw this guy was within seconds. And I just, I, again, I don't mean to sound naive. I've been doing this for 30 years. I could, I thought to myself, there's no way that you can be that blatantly stupid and in intentional and yet evil yeah malicious and again here's just evil but the and again

so you fail forward then you go from time magazine to the associated press from the associated press you get elected president of the correspondent association that and by the way you got snopes though so there's always that snopes did trump remove the bust false and then they show zeke miller's bullshit time had to issue a big correction fuck these people big correction my ass you've inflamed everyone and then you go my bad yep yep i mean it's titled a note to our readers yeah they just go we'll get you next time though. Yeah. We got you. I mean, it's literally like skipping, you know, you, you, you stiff someone on the bill

and you, Hey, listen, next time, you know, come by. Like we're, I'm sure you did something else wrong. And then by the way, anytime, you know, I did something, it was like, you're an evil person that intentionally screwed us. Wait. So when you guys screw up and inflame racial tensions, start off's administration that way it's like hey my bad man i owe you one when i did something that was like hey i mistakenly mispronounced this guy's name it was like you will burn in hell my friend when they deny the election and lobby people to change the

results it's fine when trump does it it's a criminal act and sedition against this country is gonna be indicted every which way i'll tell'll tell you a funny, quick Steele dossier story. So I get the call. First, CNN, Jake Tapper, and then BuzzFeed. Hey, we're going to publish this dossier. I'm like, whoa, hold on. Can we see it? What's going on?

And so they publish it. Well, we'll publish it, and then we'll deal with it later. So there's all these allegations. I read through it real quick. We're in Trump's office in Trump Tower. And I said, hold on a second. I got this crazy idea. And I call up Michael Cohen.

I said, hey, this is going to sound nutty. Where's your passport? Cohen says to me, it's on me, which I thought was a little screw. Like, OK, I usually keep mine in a safe, but whatever. And I said, Michael, this is going to sound really weird, but can you get back here? He's like, I'm 25 minutes away. I said, I need you. Just trust me. It's important to get back here. He gets back. And I said, can I see it? really weird, but can you get back here? He's like, I'm 25 minutes away. I said, I need you. Just trust me. It's important to get back here.

He gets back, and I said, can I see it? He said, what the hell? Just trust me. I don't want to taint this. I would just show it. So I look at the thing. Not only had he not been in Prague, which is one of the allegations of the Steele dossier, he hadn't left the country.

There was no exit of the country, no returning to the country, which you had an exit stamp and a return stamp. So he could have, maybe he went to Canada, and he snuck into prague and they got back in the country but there's no exit or return stamp so i call the reporters i'm like hey guys one of your allegations is i can prove it to you that it didn't occur okay yeah but that's just one allegation one allegation at what point like you know we've now proven that at least part of this is completely and utterly false. They don't give a shit. They don't care.

I mean, it was but that was the mentality of who cares? We're out to get you. And it doesn't really matter what the evidence is. And so I know that's, you know, those are two examples, but it just it constantly blew my mind. I've had back and forth with reporters for years. And at the end of the day, you're like, okay, I get it. You're liberal. But this was literally looking at evidence and saying I'm going to ignore that because I'm dead set at pursuing a narrative. What else is new? Yasha was – I think though that really speaks to the fifth-gen warfare that we're in. It's not about what's true. It's about what propaganda, what narrative, what do we want people to think and believe?

And then that's been since 2012, like Obama, right? But I don't think these people are part of a conspiracy. I think they're doing it because society is broken down. That's why I say culture is so important. They're doing it because they earn clicks and notoriety by doing it. They want fame and fortune. We must replace this apparatus. Fame and fortune comes from being a working class factory guy who sings about how fucked

up these fat cats are. I want these cocksuckers like Zeke Miller to think his path to fame and fortune is being a good person and then having to do it, but twirling his mustache the whole time going, ha ha, these motherfuckers are never going to see it coming. I'm going to go feed a family of ducklings. And it's like, OK, good. I'll take it. It's better than him lying and destroying the country.

Yeah. Oh, I totally agree. I'm just saying that I think that was installed before 2012. And then it's we're just seeing the evidence of it. Right. And all the specific stories. Well, it's it's it's a cultural phenomenon that's rising because of BuzzFeed, because of Mike.com, because of

Huffington Post. But I think it's going to implode, and I think people are pushing back, so I'm fairly optimistic. So, follow-up question. Is Michelle Obama a man and that makes Barack homosexual? What do you think? I think she is a woman. I don't think Michelle

Obama's a man. I don't think michelle obama's a man i don't think barack obama's gay you don't think he's gay i think he fantasized about dudes and when he was 21 and then the autobiographer put it out right well yeah he sent a letter to his girlfriend like those are the ones that i i think we'll pass speculating on i know you wanted to we kind of went a little bit longer for you but uh yasha thanks for calling in thanks brother thank you guys see you man cheers uh sean has been a blast thank you i've always this is uh i i've admired how you got what you've done and also how you've grown it's a it's amazing coming back every time just to see uh how much bigger and better this gets how more uh how the audience grows and participates and uh and the issues that you bring up. So I'm excited to join the world because I do truly believe you look at the number of people who've cut the cord,

who've grown disenfranchised with the media. And it's interesting. Just real quick, when you make this jump, I had an offer to stay at Newsmax. It was good for three years. And someone said, bet on yourself. And I thought true you know what it's a scary proposition this gets i mean saying all right i'll jump off the diving board hope that there's water below and you know uh we kick this off on monday and i'm hoping to

god we've gotten some great reaction but as you guys know it's a grind and uh i admire how hard you work uh you know i gotta get home and do a couple early morning interviews you get up and do a whole nother show uh which is yeah we got week we got the culture war show friday mornings yeah so laura loomer bill mitchell and kyle becker and i don't debate trump versus desantis but that's it's gotta bring vv it's just two hours though and it's like two hours oh my god it's just talking yeah i know but you gotta but you I was telling, I was on my way here with your team and I was saying the thing about doing the show is that you go home mentally exhausted because these are riveting discussions.

You got to bring your A game, right? Oh, I'm not exhausted. Huh? I'm the opposite. I am usually exhausted because I listen the entire time and it requires massive glucose. But you can't sit back.

I can't sit back. Between you three, you're always like got something and I'm like, you got to be able to process it. You got to come. It's, you do it because it's a mental workout. You do it every night.

There's no difference between mentally working out and physically working out. I mean, you either, there's a, you know, an atrophy function that if you don't do it, you start to get. And so, but doing it this late, I'm older than you guys. My God, I'm ready. Like an hour and a half past my bedtime i wake up at 7 30 i start work around eight i'm well right when i wake up i'm reading the news i grab my phone first thing turn i my my alarm is my bed has like it vibrates when to wake you up and it warms up and then i check the feed because the news breaks early in the morning then i get cleaned cleaned up, come sit down, record the first segment I do.

I record five seconds per day, four of them for the day, and then four of them for Friday. And then once I wrap that, exercise, eat, and then IRL show. So tomorrow, actually, yeah, we'll wrap it up here. Tomorrow I'm going to try and get a little jam session going on oh yeah it's Friday tomorrow is just Culture War Live for two hours from 10 to noon and then after that we have sushi and play poker

with the crew downstairs everyone kind of gets together and we talk and then we hang out until IRL and that's it but Sean thanks for hanging out it's always a pleasure thank you guys for having me again and for everybody who is a member sorry we couldn't get it live. Thank you for tuning in and we'll see you all next time.