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Episode Date: February 19, 2023

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Every week, we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now, enjoy the show. So we're hanging out with some rock stars, I guess. I mean, we typically hang out with Phil anyway, though. So we're usually graced by the presence of rock stars. He still has his job. I don't have mine anymore.

You lost your job. There's multiple platinum and gold records between the two of us. That's a lot of platinum and gold. You went platinum. You want to grab your mic, brother? Sorry. Congratulations on going platinum, by the way, in real life. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So let's talk about those lockdowns because we were mentioning just at the end of the show, you mentioned Pete Parada. And I've mentioned it a million and one times. He's actually coming out here. I don't know if I'm supposed to say that or not, but he'll be here on Friday. Oh, I just missed him. Yeah, you just missed him. Should just stay.

Hang out, man. Yeah, just stay and hang out. Yeah, just me at the, what's the name of the diner i'm just gonna hang out at penny's for a week let's go boys you can hang out here you know uh you hang out with phil but uh yeah we're actually filming a music video oh really yeah yeah for a song we've been sitting on for a while have you released a song do i know we've released three no no i know i've saw this one i saw yeah this one's not out yet i saw I saw the first video that he posted that got like 1.9 million views,

which is actually very impressive for a new artist because people don't realize the YouTube game, like without having the labels and all the other stuff, how hard it is to get people's eyes on your music. But without the big challenge, I think this is probably good information for people who are trying to get into the industry. I would say from my perspective, unless you have the streaming playlists, unless they put you in rotation, after you hit your marketing, that's it.

We get a certain number of plays in the videos, but it's very similar to how it works for YouTube. I put up a video, it gets a couple hundred thousand hits, and then disappears and ceases to exist. And that's very similar for what happens with that with with the music we put out it gets a big blast gets tons of traffic and then slowly starts dropping because people have to manually choose to put it in their playlists because it's not going to appear on rotation anywhere i have a guy that can help you with that all right well let's talk yeah yeah but uh so there is also other ways of of doing this which i kind of configured if you want to talk about industry stuff, because I went from being on a major label and having five or six number one radio hits globally and whatever, whatever, to being

completely excommunicated. So I can say we've put out three songs and all three have charted on Billboard in some capacity. Yeah. So the first one charted two years after we released it, because know the fuck we were doing but that happens that that happened to me too i had like a 15 second clip of a cover of take me to church on tiktok and it went viral and then i made it available two days later and i made like fifty thousand dollars holy shit we didn't make any money well i charted at number four on billboard overall and then in rock and i charted at 17

and alternative which alternative you have to have like 10 or 20 times the amount it's harder I charted at number four on Billboard overall in rock, and I charted at 17 in alternative, which alternative, you have to have like 10 or 20 times the amount. It's higher, right? Yeah, it's much, much higher. It goes up as the genre changes. So metal is like, for me, do you guys still even bother to register as metal? No. Yeah, same.

Metal's so small. To be number one at metal, it's like nothing. Some people do it for posterity. Like, Five Finger will still release in both genres just to piss off the metalheads because they're not really metal. You know? Oh, God, we get that so much. Yeah, it's just...

There's melodic singing. Oh, you covered it in Garth Lux's song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Melodic singing. Yeah, they're like, it's so mad. Why are you singing? Well, apparently, I was reading...odic singing. Yeah, they're like, it's so mad. Why are you singing? Well, apparently, I was reading,

you know Poppy? Yeah, yeah. She's like the first female metal award winner in some category or some shit. Well, she also wasn't a metal artist and then signed with Samarian

and then did a metal record. Her whole thing came out and she was just making kind of strange. It was like bubblegum. It was like bubblegum, K-pop Japanese pop music

it's like it's like baby metal but an American version but that's what they did they basically replicated baby metal because it wasn't really taking off

yep you know I mean her her weird bubble gum stuff I think is I'm just not a fan of but her metal stuff or ish

or whatever you want to call it I actually really like because the musicianship is done by guys who are our age shedding, wood shedding in a basement. You know what I mean?

Like playing djent, like, if you take all the music away, and you put a different singer, you'd still like it. The dude that filled in for our, we just did a tour

last year in March and April and May, and our drummer couldn't, Jason couldn't handle it. He had to go home. So we had someone come out, the guy that came out.

Oh, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say this, but he plays for one of those bands, drums, and he is nasty. Yeah. You know. As in very good at drums.

Yeah, the musicianship that bands like that require are, I mean, top tier. And is her band like publicly known or is it just like a backing band that probably just backing because when they play the videos they're wearing masks and stuff like that or they're not yes in the in this moment does that too that was like the final iteration of in this moment's evolution is to just put everyone in masks and ghost does that as well yeah yeah they do because that way that way if you if you have a singer or an artist that is

kind of the focus and you get the rest of the band as faceless, nameless people, then you can just hire people that are available. Or if you're like me and you don't get along with people and you fire them constantly, no one will notice that you're getting rid of your band members. Is Levine still with you? No. Levine? The look he just gave you, man. So Levine used to be, so I took him in. Literally, he lived in my apartment in LA.

Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah. And he's a great guy. He's a very nice guy. Very nice guy. Very good person. Amazing videographer. Not the strongest drummer.

Yeah. And I replaced him for Tim Young, who's one of the fastest drummers in the world, and a guy who I've been playing with for 17 years. Right? and we reconnected and and then levine proceeded to steal my laptop he stole my laptop he changed all the locks on my lockout space in la and then was like i'm not letting you in your storage facility because he was he was keeping his drums in my storage and then changed my locks until he could get his drum so these these are the things that this is this is why it's crazy people's band members behave like chicks like when they're a fucking oh my god you know and then it was like well i hate you anyway and i'm like i i'm like hey man like all i said was hey

dude like rehearsal was real rough you know and i had just actually i had had a vocal cord injury so i postponed my tour and i was like i'm i have two music videos to shoot i'm like i'm gonna have tim come down and play in the the video because the songs are too fast for you to perform wow right and it wasn't there was no beef yeah and it just exploded into that he was offended i guess beef yeah yeah so we were talking uh at the end of the show about pete and the one thing i always want to mention that i think i think is really important it's one thing to fire somebody because mandates and make an excuse like look they wouldn't let us play sure it's another thing i mean and that's bad it's another thing not to rehire him once the mandates are gone he never said anything bad about him they could have been like bro bandits are done like come

back and jam with us they said fuck you and kicked him out after 14 years that really does blow my mind that like 14 years yeah he's been in the band for that long and they're just like see you because of yeah but this is this this is the this is the problem with the liberal mentality, right? People won't understand this, but when I left Bad Wolves, I walked away from one of my best friends of 20 years. Doc Hoyle and I have been thick as thieves for 20 years, right? His band and my band used to play shows together in the late 90s. When he moved to L.A, he was borderline homeless.

I hired him. I gave him a job. I trained him. I gave him a place to live. I put him in the band, this, that, the other. And because I wasn't on the BLM tip, I wasn't in the BLM cult, he completely turned his back on me. That's a cult. To the point where he told the band, he was like, it's him or me and the guy didn't play on on the records he didn't play any he

didn't play on the records at all he was my hired guitar player and this band still exists yeah they haven't they have another singer they had they have uh how does it even make sense because it because listen the this is the way that the left goes. They're holding on to basically just holding on for dear life to what I created and trying to move past all this. And, you know, whatever. Like, I prayed for these dudes. I'm not mad at them. Like, Chris quit the band. He called me.

He made amends to me. I flew to L.A. We met at my hotel. We hung out for five hours hugged it out all it's all good i imagine us at some point and someday all of us will be like well it was really dumb you know what i mean and i also i mean i still i ever like everyone knows i still love those guys in the man so i hope that it does because i you know i don't want to see you guys no no i don't think anything's worth i don't think anything's worth being in hatred towards each other for that long.

You have to just accept it, and that's it. My friend, did you ask them if they understood the lyrics to the song Zombie? No. I think that's when they're also going down to be like, my guy. Yeah, but there's also songs on Disobey called The Conversation, right? If you read the lyrics to No Masters, if you read the lyrics to Officer Down, I have never shied away from discussing the important topics that are going on socially or personally. Our biggest hit songs are

about me hitting rock bottom and finding sobriety. And not just sobriety for me, but what that does to the family afterwards right my my brother tried to murder me in 2010 there's a song called remember when that's all about that damn then on top of that i was in the witness protection program for 10 months because he hired a hitman to kill me there's a song called foe a friend on that and the actual phone conversation the phone call he called and left on my voice message on the record is on the record of him threatening to murder me again why did he want to kill you because he's a he's a drug addict and he's a gangster and that's what we come from you know what I mean and so he didn't he he got caught

breaking in tuned me up didn't like that I lived and definitely didn't like that I cooperated with law enforcement Wow right but I was a different guy then right if it was five years before it would have been the code of the street And definitely didn't like that I cooperated with law enforcement. Wow. Right? But I was a different guy then, right? If it was five years before, it would have been the code of the street. But I went through the process of recovery and I found God. And it's not my place to take somebody else's life and revenge belongs to the creator. Right? Like in The Departed, how they say. And so, you know, these things all led to that.

Right? And so, you know, I forgave my brother. I forgave my band members, like my ex-band members. Like, it is what it is. Do you think your ability to forgive comes from your experience getting sober? Yeah, absolutely. I think, look, there's a selfishness to it too, right? Because the longer we hold on to resentments,'s corrosive right i can't i can't

be okay if i'm still mad and i went through a whole period for a year i was pissed off at them and we trashed each other online and you know i i overly exposed them you know like they were not ready to go to war with somebody like me when all my resources and so a lot of people had done things in their past that got exposed. Like, you know, they weren't good guys. And I was hurt. And I didn't act, I didn't respond spiritually. So in essence, everyone, you know, when the war's over, it's all spare and love and war.

And, you know, the war's over. And it's just like, you know. It reminds me of, I think it's a Buddhist saying, like holding on to anger is drinking poison expecting the other person to die like at a certain point or holding on to a hot stone waiting for the other person to throw it at them you only burn a hole in your hand you know and i think that listen i i think that there's a period of time for everybody where there is self-righteous indignation you should feel the feelings of anger we shouldn't be passive aggressive um i believe you know i believe that if you trespass against me there

will be a consequence i will create a consequence for you so you learn you know but i'd rather be like a porcupine than like a leopard right a porcupine is just minding his own business and if you snatch me up and try to kill me you might get killed right if you fuck with me you're gonna get fucked up and that's how i try to live my life you know and then once once the whole interaction's over with i don't want to sit here and and and feel negative feelings about it you know what i mean feelings are a choice uh there there is a certain amount of feelings can surprise you and grab a hold of you but you really do have the ability and it takes some practice i understand that but you really do have the ability to look take a step outside of yourself and look at the fact that you are overcome with feelings and that's one of the things tommy

was talking about earlier with meditation and stuff like that. And I meditate, I don't do it as much as I'd like to, but it's something that has really taught me that my emotions don't have to control me, even though they do every time I get in the car, right? Like I rage about traffic. I'm not saying that I'm in control, but I do know in the back of my mind

that it's always an option to let whatever i'm feeling go and let it go away and not have to live in that emotion and that kind of thing is something that's very valuable to have that that perspective i think well i think that's not taught either right like i think this is something that men who don't talk about anger and how to deal with it right and we we spent our careers putting our frustration and our feelings into, into music as a creative force. But there are also, that's the tip of the iceberg where I,

I think when I was younger, I thought that was the end all be all right. You like use it as fuel, but you know, at, at some point you have to take, you know, if you're,

it also impedes your creativity. If you're only painting with black and gray, you're only going to get black and gray. Once you release yourself of such heaviness, you have access to more different colors. You can tell stories better. You become limitless in your prism. I believe God shines light through all of us and that it's our job to upkeep the prism and keep it clean so that we can refract different shades and colors

that make life worth living, if that makes sense. And that's something you developed after becoming sober? Or did you always feel this way? No, this is just a mature... This is something that I developed through maturity. You know, I've been sober for 14 years. So these are things, things had to happen that caused so much discord

and resentment, especially like with my brother. You know, people used to, I used to be a public speaker and I talked a lot. I've told this story hundreds and hundreds of times and people are like, I'm so sorry. Like your brother would do that to you. And I was like, he didn't do anything.

He, he didn't do that to me. He did it for me. Right. Because he gave me an experience where now I don't have, I don't fear life. I'm not afraid of dying. Right.

I'm not, I'm not afraid. I can't like, it's like, I can't be threatened. I, you know, before I got canceled, there was every kind of dying, right? I'm not afraid. I can't, like, it's like I can't be threatened. You know, before I got canceled, there was every kind of, like, you know, every kind of threat you could imagine came my way. Like, if you don't do this, we're going to do that. And I'm like, yeah, okay.

But I'm like, I got canceled from being alive. Yeah. You know, so it's like, you know, sometimes courage is the absence of fear. It's a judgment that something else is more important and so you know having that the worst possible thing happen to me from the closest possible person in my life happen what else are you going to do to me what's your family dynamic like now like you take care of your mom you said your brother's incarcerated yeah my father lives in florida with his with his wife. We don't really talk that much.

My father was alcoholic. He's sober a couple years now. My mother is like, you know, I take care of her. I just took her to Europe. My mom is my adopted mother, and she's first-generation American. Her parents are from Denmark, and my grandfather was a New York City undercover detective after he fought in World War II. And she's never been to Denmark. You know, we come

from a very poor family. So I flew, I was in, I went to Sweden. I just went to Europe on vacation. And I flew to Denmark and we hung out for like 10 days. And, you know i when she turned 70 i sent her to italy and paris for 24 25 days that's amazing my sister yeah and my sister and my mom and best friends and you know just it's just we make it work yeah my mom had to go to al-anon um after my brother tried to kill me because she had borrowed she actually actually borrowed money from me and gave him some of it and i found out about it and i was like you have to get help it's a you know but that's a family disease of alcoholism a lot of people think that if they have a child or a relative that is the best thing they can do is keep giving giving them and they're eventually going to come out of

it but the disease is a rapacious creditor and it does not allow the person who's suffering to you know take credence we have to hit rock bottom often very very low rock bottoms in order to um have a come to jesus moment so to speak have you guys experienced this in uh all your like as you as you're getting bigger i mean i'm i'm asking you this because it feels like you did but the harsh betrayal of people you thought were your best friends oh god yeah like you you that already but for both you guys oh god i did so back in 2009 um this band was on tour and my ex ex-wife now at the time went to this show and she was going there thinking like oh i'm gonna go hang out with people that i know that i'm friendly with. And I told her, I was like, I really don't like the idea of you going to a show without me because people get the wrong idea.

You know, chicks from shows, you know. But she's like, no, it'll be fine. You know, you know all the guys that are there because it was Shadows Fall and Five Finger Death Punch. And I'm like, no big deal. Okay, fine. So she goes and the singer from Sh Shadow's Fall is gets completely hammered. And then he's like basically chasing her around the place. And then he follows like she goes into the ladies room and he follows her into the ladies room.

He climbs up on the toilet and he's looking over. And Ivan from Five Finger Death Punch comes in and grabs Brian by the hair and throws him on the ground because he's like, yo, that's Phil's. You know, that's my girlfriend. He's like, yo, that's Phil's, you know, that's at the time of my girlfriend. He's like, yo, that's Phil's girlfriend, blah, blah, blah. I used to be in Shadow's Fall. So the fact that it was Ivan, the guy that I wasn't ever in a band with, I'd been friends with him for a lot of years, but you know, I wasn't in a band with him. He's the guy that goes and steps in and says, hey, and my friends that I used to be in Shadow's

Fall with, and I had never spoken a bad word about this band. They kicked me out and they wanted to get another guy. I was like, okay, cool. Nice guy. Biggest cheering him on from 1999 or 98 when they kicked me out until 2008. 10 years of being the biggest fan.

We're friends, blah, blah, blah. No one in that band can go and say, hey, don't try to fuck Phil's girlfriend. When did they kick you out what year no 1998 because that's the year that i started all the remains wow 1998 and that happened in 2009 so 11 years of me being their cheerleader man we're friends we're all from the same area and all the remains hadn't hit yet like yeah from 2000 you 1990, 1999 until 2006 is when the record that put it really put us on the map came out. So like we I'd been, you know, talking them up and being the guy.

And, you know, it's not like All That Remains had the mojo where like I could be like, you know, oh, screw them or whatever, you know, never, never said a crossword or bad word about him. And then, you know, none of them can step in step in and say hey don't fuck phil's girlfriend just just hearing your story about you know this guy that you worked with who turns on you it's either him or me doc coil i'm just like you know i've had my experience with that too and it's just i gotta say man it really strips your faith in humanity i don't know how you guys feel about it well the way that way that I look at what... Look, I think that in my... Like I said, I actually really did. I prayed for all these dudes for months every day.

I literally put my phone under my bed so I couldn't answer my phone until I hit my knees in the morning and forced myself begrudgingly. And then I got peace over it. And then the day I stopped praying, the guitar player who quit called me to apologize. So it's like one of those weird things. But I think in understanding what motivates people, I think to Doc's credit, his mom died.

We wrote a song on the record I was supposed to be on. We wrote a song for his mother who passed away and then his dad died completely unexpectedly and i think that when somebody is using substances and they're dealing with loss and they're dealing with that you start to feel like everything's being pulled away from you and i think that the band was seeing in real time because i had taken a political stance my star started rising exponentially where i was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of new followers on every single platform sales were going up so you would think from a from a business standpoint it would be not beneficial for the label to want to remove me. But the liberal blinders, blind side of them, they couldn't understand that there's a place

for everybody and I should be allowed to have freedom of speech. And so I think he felt like he was losing control over everything in his life. And so this was the only thing he could try to do. You know, and I think that, you know, I just. You started the band? Yeah, yeah. Well, the drummer, the drummer had a band. He had a bunch of demos called Eye of Tongues.

And he asked me to sing on it. And I did. I sang one song called Learn to Live and crushed it. And then he was like, oh, I got all these demos. And so I just went in and he had no money and I finished paying for the rest of the album to be made. And I just financed the rest of it. And then I got called for Five Finger.

I think the only reason why I got called to fill in for Five Finger is because he was busy. Because he had already had a really successful run for them and then you know Ivan who he mentioned was having a really bad time staying sober and so ultimately they thought me being there because I had known him for just as long would help and it had the opposite effect where he was like became defiant and resentful of me that I was there and I couldn't really reach him and then finally he had to, he had to go take care of himself. And so they asked me to sing instead of sober coach, which was terrifying, but you know, it all, it all led to me getting signed to the label.

So bad wolves was not signed. I was right. And John had these songs and the other band that I was in wasn't really doing well. And then they wanted to replace me because they thought i was going to be the new singer five finger so they basically bad wolves got signed by default so i changed the name and then added a bunch of songs to the album and that became sounds similar to the mistake that um hayley williams family made or she made with paramore yeah i don't know too much about the backstory it was the guitar player or the i don't i'm not going to pretend to know a lot about this story either but just for my

understanding because i think i think i've talked about it with people before that she got signed but she was like i want to have this i like this band i think it was because she was romantic like she was a teenager interested in this guitar player well i think they were together for quite a while yeah i mean like every song she wrote was about him but but no doubt same thing right but she gets signed and then brings them in then when they start turning on her she's like yo it's me then later on i think it was the bass player who said i have rights to this music and she's like no it's me and so basically like that's the this is the mistake when people are you know i put it this way. I've got a stern warning from a good friend of mine who's also famous who said that the mistake a lot of these people make is two things. that your friends are also capable of handling what you're handling and you bring them with you and now you've taken someone who doesn't know how to handle it and put them next to the brightest

star in the sky when i got back to doing all the remain stuff after doing the five finger death punch tours the shows uh jason costa our drummer uh asked me he's like hey do you think that we can get to where they are and i just looked at him i said no because because there are people in the band that will not do what the people in five finger death punch have done yeah just will i know you guys won't do it i know that you know this person won't do this this person won't do this and it doesn't happen without all the people involved saying whatever needs to happen to reach the next level will do whatever it takes yep but you force someone who has no experience with so actually i'll put this way i was talking to somebody about

you know what we're doing with rotational coast and stuff and they were like whatever you do just make sure the people who go on the show have experience with the press because if you get somebody who doesn't who hasn't dealt with it who doesn't know what they're going to do those people are going to fucking lose their minds you know and so i'm like i think all of us have experienced the press and oh oh yes at least knows what it is and what it means to sit in the sit in a chair and so i just there's like a warning i got a while ago like yeah man there is you know you bring people like someone comes to you and i'm just saying it's kind of what it's not like this is what you're what it reminded me of when i when i was reading about the paramore stuff she's the talent she says i like these people let's bring them on board

they they they lose it they can't handle it they get angry they're entitled they're deserving i guess her bass player sued her saying he was he owned ownership of a bunch of the music and she was like you're an employee of a corporation it is my company i'm signed you play bass for me they don't understand that that they don't understand that right and in in our case the drummer and i were were co-owners but he was also you know he was i don't know where this sort where the source of john's resentment toward me started. Cause he's apolitical, but there were things were happening where we would go places and people

recognize me and hand him their phone. And I'd be like, that's a guy. He's the drummer. And they're like, Oh cool. Like, can you take a picture of us?

And that's the drummer's curse. The drummer, the drummer's curse, but the drummers and bass players, man, the thing though, there's plenty of drummers and bass players, man. But here's the thing, though. There's plenty of drummers and bass players who are celebrities, right? Like Five Finger Death Punch.

Chris Cale is a celebrity. Jeremy Spencer was a celebrity. Who was Zeppelin's drummer? John Bonham. Everybody. Yeah, John Bonham. So Tommy Lee is the most famous guy on Motley Crue by far, right? But it's about are you doing – if you don't do press, if you let yourself go,

if you are awkward, if you're fat, if you don't want to be around people, if you're under the influence. There's many things that go into why you're not being present or in the public eye. Or if you just reject that and don't want anything to do with it you can't be mad at the other people who have to pick up the slack right i had to do almost 100 interviews a year for two years that we were to almost three years because no one else could do press and then people would be mad at me when you're the face and i'm like well you will you do it they're like well what do i talk about i'm like i don't know they're like well just you know you ever see uh almost

famous yeah of course it's like the scene where the t-shirts come in and it's like yeah the guitar player with mystique yeah everyone's kind of blurry and faded in the background they're like what is this like guys i didn't do this and they'll get mad at him yeah yeah he's like i didn't make this like i'm not trying to be in front of you guys people people talk about this thing called lsd lead singer disease and there it is true it's a thing it is true and it is real but that doesn't change the fact that when people go to see a band they're associating the front person as the band there are very few bands where the front guy is, where the singer is not the front guy.

This band called Kill Switch Engage comes to mind. The guitar player, Adam. He is the front guy. Doesn't matter who their singer is. Adam can hold it down. Most bands can't. He has a thing. He does.

He has the X Factor. I call him the Andy Kaufman of metal. Yeah, he's ridiculous. Because he is. Not only can he just literally write an entire album, everything, the whole thing by himself. He's like a mastermind. On stage, you're like, what the fuck is going on? He's got a cape on.

He's a clown. And Daisy Dukes. And he's super serious. But then he's not. And you're like. And he executes flawlessly. Yeah. With a fallout boy. Pete Wentz like... And he executes flawlessly. Yeah. With a fallout boy.

Pete Wentz was the bass player. Yeah. He was the front man. Yeah. Well, he was a heartthrob, yeah. Marketable. Yeah. They were like, he's the guy to go for.

And then there was... I don't know if you guys ever heard of the band Jellyfish. Early 90s. And the drummer was the lead singer. Oh, yeah. And it was just... I'm sorry, dude. It's weird.

It was a bad idea. Yeah. Because he can just sing. He was a bad idea. Yeah. Because he can just sing. He can get a drummer. And so they tried putting him on the stage in the front with a stand-up drum kit while he sang and played. And I'm like, just half the guys. I mean, I was a little kid at the time, but watching this stuff as I'm older, I'm like,

that's a ridiculous thing. Like Soundgarden, you know, Chris Cornell was the drummer. And then he was like, I have this voice. That's Fall Out Boy. Nothing more. Johnny Hawkins, amazing singer. He was the drummer. He taught himself how to sing.

So Fall Out Boy's story was Patrick Stump, they asked him to play drums, and when he played drums and they were trying out vocalists, he sang and they were like holy shit you sing instead we'll get a different drummer and they got I think the guy's name was Andy something yeah yeah unfortunately Andy's extremely left in it's heartbreaking oh really

we did a tour with we did a tour with the damn things which is a band that Andy played drums in and super nice like nicest guy ever. But he's extremely Antifa. And I'm just like, oh, you're getting conned by them. I got a funny story for you guys.

Just last thing. You ever hear of the band The Hush Sound? They're not particularly, I don't know if this is offensive to the band members, but they're not particularly famous. But they do small shows and they sell out. But they toured with like Fall Outout boy they were on decadence so they were in that sphere and they had three albums that came out through them filled by ramen decadence or whatever and so uh when i was in denver i was at like a best buy or something and i bought some cds

and i bought like death cab for cutie because i was a big fan of theirs and then i remember my seeing on myspace this band hush sound and then i was like it was like i don't know i don't know how you describe it but the one chick greta sings and plays piano and there's a guitar player and singer and it was like dual male female vocals so i grabbed their new album i'm driving back from denver to chicago after living there for a little bit and i have only two cds so i'm just spam blasting these these bands one day i'm at the metro you know the metro in chicago i imagine and i'm at the Metro. You know the Metro in Chicago, I imagine. And I'm in the bathroom washing my hands, and then Bob, the guitar player, walks up to my left,

starts washing his hands, and then I dry my hands and I look over and I'm like, are you Bob from The Hush Sound? And he's like, yeah. And they were doing big tours, so he's a moderately famous guy at the time. They were doing the Honda Civic Tour and all that stuff. As I'm leaving, I see him outside,

so I talk to him for a little bit, and I'm like, yeah, got your guys album like vines is really good i like every single song i think it's fantastic and then we just shot the shit me and a couple other people that's it i left didn't see him met the guy how cool was that met a guy in the bathroom like a year or two later i'm when i moved to la i'm living in koreatown you guys know where larchmont is? Yeah. So I'm walking down. It's like right by Paramount or something like that. And everybody drinks coffee, all the rich people. Yeah. I'm walking down my street and motherfucker is walking the exact same direction with his dog.

And right when we get to the corner, I stop and I'm like, Bob? And he's like, oh, you're Tim. And I'm like, what the fuck? And I was like, I met you that one time. He's like, yeah, yeah, at the Metro. And I was like, you remember who I am? He's like, yeah. That's cool. He's like, oh, you're Tim. And I'm like, what the fuck? And I was like, I met you that one time. He's like, yeah, yeah, at the Metro. And I was like, you remember who I am? And he's like, yeah. That's cool.

He's like, where are you going? I'm going to Larchmont for coffee. So am I. And now I'm friends with the guy. He's cool, though. That's awesome. Now he runs like a dog walking thing. That's cool.

But he's not crazy. Or he's a chill, normal dude. Yeah. So I messaged him recently. And he's like, what up, dude? Congrats on your music. I'm checking it out. So it's cool to see you know he found success he's chill he's happy that's rad but he plays in a band with one i don't know if he still does with the guys

from one republic or something like that okay they have like some crazy brand anyway that was my story i thought it was funny in la you never can tell like i mean if he still plays music you never can tell if he's if he's playing with someone and just something hits and next thing you know he's on some fucking gigantic tour or whatever you know you know i don't i don't i think he's just doing his own thing for the most part like in playing music i'm not sure he's really pursuing it i know that he's got like a dog walking business but i will say this for for bob i like his music was so good i for the life of me couldn't understand why it wasn't bigger why they didn't make it because like i i started listening to their music again i'm like it's just so fucking good because it

costs money it costs money to to you the the cost of exposure right like and that's that's the thing like what i you know what i've had to deal with leaving my former band is that you know i got a i have a music video on youtube that has 450 million views alone right and it's like billions of streams all like global i got more platinum and gold records like i don't got i don't even have them they're literally in my friend's garage in arizona i gotta i gotta send for those yes anyone no i got a gold youtube plaque we use as a window oh nice window stopper just sit on the ground yeah but but it's but it's like you know the the reset button of like how you know like i i just i recently had um i spent a lot of money at metaverse talking upwards of tens of thousands of dollars to get my my instagram profile reinstated um so it was it was hacked it was

an external hack and they said there was only eight people could have done it and that it probably cost upwards of a hundred thousand dollars to have my profile deleted and i'm like the only person i know who could afford to do that and who needs to do that i know who it is and so um it took two weeks they were like we're gonna basically they acid washed the metadata from my profile to make sure that i could never have it again because i had almost 400 000 real fans on there who paid for concert tickets i sold out my entire tour with no radio promotion no anything just just from the power of my Instagram. And so, you know, it's the pettiness of like, if I can't have you, no one will.

And that's what the slave industry of the music industry is about. People don't want to talk about this in a way that's productive. But the reality is like, for example, Kanye west said like ridiculousness shit right so his his whole anti-semitic thing was ridiculous and i had a i have an issue with it because my stepfather rest in peace was a wonderful jewish man right and i grew up going to school with people who are jewish and i have friends who are jewish and it's not just because someone from a record label has a last name it doesn't represent the whole of a race of people and what neat what but what there is a problem is is that within the music industry and the entertainment industry amongst all races of the you know 100 millionaires plus the 100 million guys plus up to billionaires they're all unilaterally

in this on the same tip so if you piss one of them off regardless of whatever their whatever their belief system is or their race or whatever you're fucked and then they also control the media and people like who holds up because the the outlets no longer can survive off print sales so they have to pay for it in advertising on their websites and so who pays for the the big dollars to advertise on the websites who's paying for the pieces to be written the labels out of the money how do i know this because how do you think that my band became the most famous fucking band in 2018 from thin air you know it helped that we had a multi-platinum hit song but everything that else that generates around this is controlled you know what everybody

tells us with every project we try doing book music or otherwise they're like oh yeah we're gonna help you we're gonna make it all work here's what we're gonna do and then the very last thing to say is now all you got to do is promote it on your show and it's like I get it you think like that's and so this is why we got books that are coming out

and then these companies are like yeah yeah we can do all these things for you and then when you promote it on your show we'll get sales and I'm like

well then what the fuck do I sign with you for well you don't need to that's the whole point you know and it's like I like even even with

even without my Instagram page right my I'm on my third or fourth page I got like 185,000 followers right which is nothing Like even without my Instagram page, right? I'm on my third or fourth page. I got like 185,000 followers, right? Which is nothing. But with TikTok, I never had a TikTok, so there's nothing to go after. One post on TikTok and I got 300,000 followers.

Damn. Right? And then also what people need to understand in our space is how valuable email lists are. So I collect emails. So if I have a tour going out, it's going out to 50,000 people, period, in the emails. And I have a 70% opening rate. And advertisers will pay like crazy for your email list. It's insane how much money you can make off that. I haven't

even sold it because i i won't do that to my fans like i literally won't so if you notice anybody who follows me knows that you're not going to get any spam from any any affiliate email lists are like such a big deal nowadays like people have people don't realize how how how effective an email list is especially if you can get emails that people open right yeah you have to circumvent the social media gatekeepers now right so so it's very easy because especially people who like us will be censored in certain places and people are invested and they want to get the information the email list becomes your whole life and then so now you can't be

canceled so they can delete everything they could take me down they can kick me off radio they could blacklist me but i put i email everyone hey my new album comes out on friday and then i'm number three on itunes right so five fingers number one i prevails number two tommy vex is number three right that's why we do this this is our shield from the censorship and all that. This is the members only. Point of the camera. Well, man, we've went a little bit over, but this has been a blast. Thanks for hanging out and talking about all this stuff.

It's enlightening. Thanks for having me, man. Absolutely. Appreciate it. And to everybody who is a member, you're keeping us up and running. I mean, this is the principal way we run the show. So thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all next time.