Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Vivek Ramaswamy Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: July 23, 2023

Tim & Co join Vivek Ramaswamy for a spicy bonus segment usually only available on Timcast.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. Didn't steal that. Hey, everybody. Now, enjoy the name. Eve Apologist. Okay, Eve Apologist. I believe you have a question for Vivek that has to do with his platform.

So if you wouldn't mind, you're with us now. You'll have to unmute. There you go. All right. Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me. And thank you, Vivek, for sticking around to take calls. It means so much.

I'm hailing from the woke hellscape that is Minnesota. Nice. So my question is this. I worry that there's no incentive for young voters to see the civic duty amendment you propose as a positive for this country. And that leads me to think on solutions. Vivek, would it be feasible to entertain a future where underage workers, that is under 18, could be income tax exempt, at least on the federal level. That way, when they become legal adults and start to see the affect on their paychecks with taxes added, they may feel compelled to take action through service or civic testing. What do you think of an idea such as this? Or do you have other proposals that might encourage young people voting or pre-voting age to

support delaying their own suffrage? Yeah, so I love the spirit of creativity in that question. There's a lot there. I hadn't thought of that specific idea, but I love the spirit of it because you experience something and then you see what the government taketh, you know, at a certain point, and then you wake up to that reality in a way you otherwise wouldn't have. So I love the spirit and character of it. I think part of my job as a leader is to recognize that we human beings are subject to something that animals are not, which is persuasion. And I think that young people, it's like my son. He'll get cranky and say he wants his pacifier when he really just wants real food.

My one son is three and the other one is one year old. And so it's not just about the creation of incentives alone. I think part of this is you give people what they need. There's an old saying. It goes if you care about somebody, you tell them the truth. If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear. Mother Angelica, yeah.

It is true. And I think the same thing could be true in words as in giving them what they need too. And so what I've seen so far that does leave me pretty hopeful is that initially a lot of the young people I've encountered on college campuses take a big step back.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're taking away something that I don't have, that I thought I had when in fact very few young people already vote as it is so in many ways even without even passing this constitutional amendment that i have in mind just the act of talking about it is going to say wait you're about to take something away from me that i thought i had yet darn right i am exercising that i'm going to learn something about and prove you wrong that i took that citizenship test too. But that's the psychological instinct I'm describing, but it actually doesn't come out in an angry way.

It comes out in a journey that says, okay, I guess it's not so objectionable to know something about that country. I think I can do it. Maybe I'll just level up and do that. And you give them a little bit of a chip on their shoulder to be able to do it. So it's a combination of inspiration and necessary, serving up a necessary bitter pill that actually fills that hunger for direction and purpose and

meaning that young people lack. But again, I love the creativity behind your question. And that's exactly the kind of thing we should be doing more of in this country. It's interesting how none of this comes up in the discourse of traditional politicians today. But I think this is actually what it will take a new class of leadership in this country to even start a conversation about. And that's what we're already doing with a great question like that one. Nice. Yeah, thank you. How do you feel about that answer oh that's fantastic thank you thank you so much i'm flattered and uh serge how's it wanted to say hi to you as well my fiance is a staffer who's

joining us as a citizen soon nice i'm glad to hear that i'm having to retake my citizenship test and uh that's why you talked about it earlier um yeah it's not that difficult if you paid attention to school at all. Or just learn it. Just learn it. It's not a bad thing to know. Anyways, I appreciate the questions. Great question, Eve. Thanks, Eve. Bye. See you around.

Let us go to... Is this who I think it is? Brett ain't dead. How's it going? You're with us. Hey, how's it going? You're with us. Hey, how's it going, guys? Pretty good.

Yeah, good, good. All right. Appreciate you taking my call. My question is for Vivek. If you were to lose the RNC nomination for president, would you be open to either a VP or cabinet position in the Trump or DeSantis if they were to take the nomination? Or would you prefer to pursue a third party run and continue your goal to run for president? I think that, look, I'm very focused on winning this election. And to be honest with

you, when I started in February or in March, I couldn't have told you what my chances were. I was starting at 0.0%. I'm now a third in most of the national polls, and we still haven't had the first debate. And so I'm laser focused on not only winning this election, but on the path to January, 2033, when I leave office, what do I actually want to say we did over two terms in this country? So that's the purpose that's guiding me. I was, we, Seamus, we briefly talked about this at the end of the other session is I think that my skillset is best used in a leadership role, not a number two reporting in role. It's not because there's something lesser or bad about that.

It's just how we're each wired, right? And so for most of my career, nearly all of it, I've never reported into somebody. I've built businesses. I've led them. I've been an author, which is a different kind of thought leadership role. And so I believe I would be best making my contributions if I weren't the US president through the private sector where I've been doing it already,

both through my books, as well as through the businesses that I've built and can continue to build. But I truly do believe, and I believe it now in a way that I couldn't have told you with conviction four months ago. I think I'm going to be your next president.

And I think that more importantly, I'm the best positioned person in either party to reach the next generation and revive national pride in this country that we've missed for a long time. And so that's what I'm focused on. And I fully expect and hope that Trump and DeSantis and anybody else who also cares about this country will help me in the way that I'm going to need in order to drive this national revival. Yeah. That's awesome.

I like that a lot. Hell yeah. Mic drop. It also must be something that started at zero percent. Appreciate it, man. And then you just climb up. Yeah, it feels good. I mean, I'm still at like nine or ten, but long way to go.

You've risen so quickly you have risen very quickly i think much more quickly than anyone expected including yourself yeah i mean i think this pace was you know we wanted to be in third place by the end of the year ahead of the iowa caucuses we're in third place now yeah and you know i think that the problem with though with like looking at these things is then you fall into the trap time yeah but it's a long time but it's even then it goes back to being about you, about me, me, me. And it's not.

It's about the purpose of why I'm in this, about what we want to do for the country. And so I try not to get wrapped up in that. Sometimes it's hard, right? I think you get, we're human beings. But honest to God, I think the way we've got to do this is to be laser focused on the purpose, be guided by it, don't be attached to a particular result for me.

I'm going to tell the people of this country who I am and what I stand for and what I believe. And if they want me as their leader, then I'm standing by and ready to serve as the next president. And I expect that I will. So that's where I'm at. Hell yeah, man. I like that. It's nice to hear. It's presidential. I appreciate your answer. And I just would like to say a year ago, I didn't hear about you. And now

I see everywhere and I see your message and it's good. So I think you're not out of the park at the Blaze Summit. So just keep doing what you're doing. And I would hope that if you don't actually receive the RNC nomination, if somebody offered you a position within their government, then you would take it because I think we need more people like you in our government who are aware of the issues. What's your name, man? Thank you. Brett.

Brett. I appreciate it, brother. Thank you. Yeah. Be good, man. Thank you. Cheers, Brett. See you, Brett.

Thank you for the call. I can stay for one, maybe two more questions. Yeah, we only have two more. Make it good. I'll make them quick then. Yeah Yeah, we only have two more. Make it good. I'll make them quick then. Yeah, then we can catch our flight. Catarific, don't waste time. You're with us now.

You got it. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, loud and clear. Hey, y'all. I have a bag. Thanks for taking questions. Yeah, sure.

So what would you say to potential voters who feel hopeless right now, like their vote doesn't matter or nothing's going to change with this corrupt, you know, bureaucracy that you touched on? Even people like Ronna McDonnell or McDaniel in the GOP has been ignoring people like Scott Pressler who have desired to help the GOP, you know, game plan. We see a lot of this corruption and it's easy for those of us to feel discouraged and like our vote doesn't matter. So Scott Bressel is a great guy. I've actually reached out and spoken to him a couple of times. I appreciate his efforts in Wisconsin and other places. He doesn't have to be doing what he's doing. And we need more heroes like him, frankly. I think you have there are a lot of reasons to be discouraged. But here's what I think is going on.

And maybe it takes, you know, we're all young people in this room, actually many of you younger than me, but I hope that those of us here, our best days are still ahead of us. And I think as a nation, our best days are still ahead of us too.

We're going through our version of adolescence. And so I don't think we have to be this nation in decline. I don't think we were talking about Rome earlier. I don't think we have to be Rome. I think as a nation, we're really just a little young. Going through our own version of adolescence, figuring out who we're going to be when we grow up. And I think when you view it that way,

then the rest of it makes sense, right? You go through adolescence, you go through an identity crisis, you go through a loss of self-confidence, you go through self-doubt. That's where we are. We're a nation in the thick of doubt. But I think we're in the early stages of our ascent.

And I think that we're barely at base camp. That's really the way I look at it. And I know that's just rhetoric and verbiage, but it's also not a statement of how I feel about the country. And if that helps other young people around the country that have hard facts that would tell them they have no reason to hope, say that, hey, if you take a step back, it would make sense that 250 years into an experiment that's going to last a lot longer than that. We have to go through our adolescence. Here we are. Let's be stronger on the other side of it. It's like hormonal, too, like

a teenager. Yeah. Exactly. It's part of growing up. Those aren't wrinkles. It's just acne. Okay. You know what freaks me out? We'll go to the next. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Kat. No. Thank you so much, Rebecca. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, Kat. Thank you. What freaks me out is the proprietary voting machines.

That's like so demoralizing. We don't need private companies doing vote collection. Hell yeah. Get them the heck out. Same thing as those funded family courts. Yeah. Thanks for saying that. I appreciate that.

Yeah. And last but not least, Matt Hammond, you're with us. How are you, man? Hello. Thank you. Hannah, Ian, and Claire, Ian, and Seamus are doing a great job. Good to see you. Thank you. You can call her Hannah.

No, please don't. I appreciate your effort. Hannah Claire. What are your thoughts on modern indentured servitude like H-1B, H-2B, L-1, V-solvers that are imported in the U.S. and replace U.S. workers at half to a third of their salary? Several companies force these staff members to train their replacements before they get their severance, like Disney, Verizon, Bank of America, and Southern California Edison.

It's garbage for a lot of reasons. And I just think that the H-1B lottery, why on earth would we resort to a lottery when we could just use a merit-based system? And if you're using a merit-based system, you can no longer fathom the idea of exploiting people who actually are

the ones coming meritocratically and so i think that one problem feeds on another i say scrap the whole thing merit-based immigration and illegal immigration immigration policy doesn't have to be as complicated as we make it out to be so that's where i'm right yeah appreciate that question brother well i'm i'm off to catch a flight, guys. This has been real. I love it. I love it. And we'll come back.

And you'll live stream your speech tomorrow. Yeah, we will. Absolutely. Tomorrow night at St. Anselm College. We'll live stream it. Good show, man. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it, guys.

We're sticking around. So I think we may be done with calls unless you guys want to queue up more, but we can jump into a story. I think, Hannah Clare, you had something prepped. This motherfucker's on his way out. Well, they say the goodbyes to the vague. I'll just summarize what's going on. So a couple of you guys probably saw this story.

Ron McDonald from the RNC said it would be a mistake. Brimcast. Yeah, finally. We're getting brimcast uh uh so our uh rnc chairwoman ron mcdaniel said it would be mistake for trump to skip the debates if you guys follow this at all uh trump made a statement on truth social say back in april saying why would i do the debates why would i be a part of that libelous uh uh standard and what what do i have for benefit when uh all of the moderators that they would pull our anti-MAGA?

You know, I'm summarizing here. It's a perfect quote. And I think it's an interesting question. You know, Seamus and I, when we were talking about the story earlier today, we're saying, do the presidential debates actually serve a purpose? Yeah, exactly. I think that into the conversation. I'll say back in the day when there were limited access to national stage, when we didn't have anything like social media and we had very few TV channels, I could understand where debates on radio debates on television were an important chance for the nation to see the candidates but today i do not think that is the case i think ultimately uh we can all agree nothing very productive comes out of the uh debates although i will say we've gotten some beautiful trump moments uh in in the debates in the past so i just don't know how you guys feel

about it what was the most entertaining thing about the trump debates and part of why they were so productive is because they were so unlike all of the other ones that we had seen and people in the media would complain about his performance because they'd say, he's making a mockery out of the discourse. No, you've made a mockery out of the discourse. You're going to give us press conferences where everyone's stating their party lines and tell us it's a debate. That's not what debate means. So I think you're correct, Hannah Clare.

There was a point in time where it made sense to have these political leaders get together and then state their party platform. But people know the party platform now now if you're going to get together you should actually have a debate you should have a conversation about the merit of the ideas that you're espousing and not make personal i like look there's nothing wrong with making a quote unquote personal attack about another political leader because a politician isn't just a set of ideas they're supposed to be a leader and we as the people should be concerned about the substance

of their moral character i reject this idea that we shouldn't scrutinize politicians that it's wrong for one political leader to bring up baggage that another political leader has as a person and not just as a set of policies uh but that said the only value to these debates i would say is essentially that you do have moments where they call each other out, but they don't really get into policy. They don't really have a back and forth. I would agree with you. I think for the most part, it's trash. It feels like a skin suit, like the way they don't even look at each other.

A lot of times they'll be looking straight forward out at the audience. They'll say, you know, they'll ask a question and the guy will turn and look out at the audience and answer it. But I need them out to make eye contact. I think that the Internet's changed everything. I mean, not everything that's hyperbolic, but the internet has completely altered the state of politics

and economy. I mean, almost everything in society, including... It's been revolutionary to the way we live our lives. When you see a politician going, well, this show, or I was going to say Rogan, but this show, two hours of listening to Vivek explain himself, that's better

than any any like piece by six minute clip or four minute clip right and I think there's I mean first up to your point what did we say right as he's leaving I'm gonna live stream my speech tomorrow he doesn't need a tv station to stream it for him he has control of that himself as long as his audience is able to find him it's revolutionary the internet is is in some ways uh this double-edged sword of course at times it is extremely dangerous other times it's obviously uh incredibly important for me i i find that i want to hear different pairings speak up so if you have you know a crowd i can't even remember how many people are running off top my head right now but if we have we have eight people who are seeking the presidency and they all cluster on the stage how effective are you really going?

What message are you going to get there? One person might be able to dominate. We might be able to get through one slightly interesting conversation. But are we actually as a party advancing a platform? If you have 12 Democrats on stage, do they at the end of the debate say, OK, so we've reached a consensus and here's how we're moving forward? No, it's just about dominating the conversation and possibly making someone else look bad. And now that you have the internet to make a clip go viral.

And I think that that is sort of a crime to the voter. I understand why people think it's a system because it feels traditional, but maybe we don't need this anymore. Or maybe it needs a very strong restructuring. It would be interesting if they actually were like, you know, let's talk. and if you're better than me, I want you to be president, kind of thing. Like, I'm running, you're running, but if you're better than me,

I want you to win because you're better than me and I care about the country. That would be hard for them to, like, they have all these donors who spent millions of dollars on them. Yeah, if I was, like, donating money to someone and they were like, you know what, I've changed my mind, I might be a little bit like offended by that.

So maybe they wouldn't you overtly say like, I hope you win or any of that bullshit. But if they're in their mind, like this guy actually is better, is a more reliable, should be the president. Like I could see that humility would be a great part of it. And I keep thinking about the 2008 Democratic cycle where there was like literally like 10 to 12 people standing up at a podium everyone got to speak for like 5 10 12 seconds and then they'd scream they'd like throw an insult down the line but they wouldn't even look at each other it was only like mike gravel that really like confronted everybody on stage it was like you war hawks look at them all on stage a bunch of old bunch of yeah you know he's not here let's compliment him behind his back but

vivek is someone who i would like to see on stage with some of these other people so i think there's validity there as mentioned earlier part of why trump made those debates so entertaining and impactful and even meaningful was because he was outside of the establishment and he was standing there criticizing these people in ways that they hadn't been criticized before yeah and i think this is whatever and this is what's at the center of all of this in my humble opinion as the host of shimcast irl when these politicians go on stage with one another you have one slimy establishment politician talking to another slimy establishment politician uh who represent different values but values that are acceptable to the slimy establishment so they'll call each other

out on things that are outside of their status quo but they won't call each other out for the establishment nonsense or if they do that other they'll go lighter on it and they won't mention the thing that person is doing which they are also doing donald trump wasn't like that donald trump literally said yeah no yeah i get around paying a lot of my taxes because there's a lot of loopholes in the law you You know why there's loopholes in the law, Hillary? Because you and your friends wrote them that way because that's what your donors wanted. He didn't pretend, oh, no, I don't take advantage of the system. He said, no, that makes me smart.

These are the incentives you've created. You've made these incentives. And now you're trying to criticize me for following them. That was the beauty of him being in the debates. And the rest of the debates are literally just, again, two people throwing softballs to each other. Because, like, right, if you're a Democrat, Ian, right, and I'm a Republican, and I say to you...

Why'd you say that? Well, just to play around, because he's an actor. Because he's an actor. I'll act, okay. Yeah, so you're the Democrat, and I'm the Republican. And as a republican i say something to you like i don't like your socialist agenda that will force the american people to give up more of their income and then what do you say to that as a democrat this mother this guy doesn't

know what he's talking about this guy slept with his friend's wife i was thinking so i was thinking so that that might be more trump answer to be honest all right let me let me we'll do we'll do a two-faced thing i'll turn in different all right so so the republican says this socialist wants to raise your taxes and the democrat says you know maybe if he's more civil but though i agree with you that does sometimes happen the democrat maybe goes he doesn't realize that we should care for each other like every criticism leveled by your opponent becomes a softball for you to just hit out of the park because the country's so polarized that any criticism they make of you it's a criticism a democrat wants to be made of them or that a republican wants to be made about them people are fine being criticized for ideological reasons.

People are fine when their opponents say something to them like, you're a socialist. They go, yes, I am because I care about the poor. Like, you're a fascist. That's like, no, I'm not, but I know you're only calling me that because I believe in law and order. What they don't want to hear is, hey, who are you taking money from? Why are you taking money from them?

Those are the things that are always avoided on stage. And it's not because they like each other so much as it's because if I point out what you're doing, you're going to point out what I'm doing. Yeah. I do not hear them talk a lot about the pharmaceutical cartels. I would like to. I don't hear them talk a lot about the Federal Reserve. I would like, well, I shouldn't say don't. I haven't in the past heard them talk.

I do now that we have shows like this, which which makes it much more entertaining, especially being able to interface directly with the candidates. I believe he had some, he was in pharmacy. Yeah, he became a multimillionaire. I mean, he's worth about 500 million. You're talking about Vivek. He had a pharmaceutical company.

He said that they patented five, I think five drugs, successful drugs to market. He was saying that. And then he was like, the whole place hates me. I mean, because he's basically stepped away from that company in order to talk about the ills and the dangers of the industry although we didn't get too deep into that earlier today i mean we

talked about so many things that were only a two-hour show there's only so much we could do i mean i think part of the privilege of being having a job like this is the fact that we you know especially because thanks to our members you know we've had so much support we've grown so much through word of mouth that we're able to sit in a room with with a presidential candidate right but that's not true for everybody and so the question is how do we get the average voter to have accessible information and a true chance to hear about the ideas from the candidate is a debate, a nationally televised debate with, you know, five to eight speakers at a time, the most effective way.

And I think in the spirit of innovation, there has to be something better. So when Ron McDaniels was making this comment, she said, you know, we give access to 20 million viewers and that's important. Well, if Donald Trump just gets back on Twitter, he has 85 million followers. We have progressed past a point of of meeting the mainstream media and televised debates to be the only way. So unless there is a new model, I really don't see why the American voters would live or die by it. I think there has to be more to offer them. I also think it's interesting because, you know, right now we're talking about primary season,

so it'll be Republican v. Republican, Democrat v. Democrat, although this time we won't necessarily have it because Joe Biden's an incumbent and he doesn't have to debate. Of course, I would love to see him debate RFK. No one get me wrong. When I was at, I went to SMU in Dallas and I had a professor, Ben Voth, who did a study on debates. He would analyze them, look for different markers. So the amount of time each candidate got to speak, how often the moderator interrupted them, fact checking, words per minute, things like that. And he found that consistently for years, Democrats get more time to speak. They are less likely to be interrupted by the moderator. They are less likely to be interrupted by the moderate.

Republicans are more likely to be interrupted by the moderate. But seemingly subconsciously, all of them say more words per minute. It's as if on some level, you know, perhaps over the years they pick this up, they learn to speak more quickly. On the other hand,

maybe they're aware of the environment they're in. And to that end, as we saw with this town hall, the fact that CNN pulled it after after you know not that long we can't trust the media that is putting on the debate you know so even if we had candidates who were going up there and really saying informed and interesting things would the moderators allow those conversations to go forward or would they interrupt them would we actually get effective conversation? Beyond just the cheap shots that candidates take on each other,

do we have any structure that allows for information and a true dialogue about the ideals of each party to be really debated, not just sort of spat at one another? Did you say that CNN pulled off the offline or something? The town hall ended early.

Oh, okay. And I think it's because I didn't think it was going so well for them yeah i don't think it was either um oh shit i was gonna say something cool i also keep thinking we're about to go to callers i'm getting really freaked out i know that exact feeling when you literally thought i was about to say something cool now it's gone it was uh something about oh well one thing that i've been thinking is i mean it's a little crazy, but you think there's any value

to a presidential candidate strapping on a neural net and allowing people to read their thoughts? No. No, no, no, no, no. What a terrible president. No, no, no. Because here's the thing. Anyone who's...

I'll put it this way. If they're a good, decent person, it'd be an invasion of their privacy. And if they're not a good, decent person, what we saw would scar us. For sure. I mean mean especially with a lot of these political leaders dude who you saw what what is going on in joe biden's head well i think it would i think it would actually give you senility i remember i feel like there's not a lot going on up there no you would it would just destroy your brain questionable oh take you down i remember what i was going to ask and so i we were talking saying goodbye to vivek while you were uh reading reading in the story so uh ronald mcdaniel is encouraging trump

to go to a debate she's saying that he shouldn't skip the debate he should take part in the rnc's debate so any candidate uh you have to have uh 40 000 individual donors so it's not they have to make a certain amount of money you have to have a certain amount of people who have donated to your campaign to qualify to get on stage the other controversy with this was that the rnc for a while was saying that they uh you need to take a loyalty pledge to be on the debate state so if you got enough donors on top of that you'd have to pledge to support whoever uh would be whoever ends up being the party's candidate which uh you know famously trump was not so willing to do the last time around yeah well wait wait not endorse the

candidate they would have to support okay this is huge but this is so huge this is uh yet another observation i'm going to steal from dave smith here who i always credit when i steal from him by the way and he's yet to credit me for stealing my my intro about how we need to roll back the state and how we're spying on all of our own citizens and our prisons are flooded with non-violent drug offenders but that's fine you can have it um everyone knows i came up with it first point is interesting point is a point that that dave smith made on his podcast was one of the main differences between bernie sanders and donald trump as outsider political leaders is that when asked if he would endorse hillary clinton

uh bernie said he would he didn't end up endorsing her okay if you're the outsider the establishment is going to do everything they can to ensure you don't get the nomination and the only leverage you have against them is i won't endorse your person i'll run third party and then you guys are going to lose and bernie went of course i will endorse whoever gets nominated they're like trump will you endorse whoever gets nominated of course he didn't agree yes why these people are my friends you can't get on stage and say the people you're running against are horrible establishment shills who want to make life harder for your average person and then say but just whoever gets nominated here you know i'll support them yeah it's all fine and good we're all to be part of the same corrupt machine.

And I think that's an excellent point. I think that's sort of a good summary of the whole system. Like, if you really believe in things you believe, why would you then turn around and be like, just kidding. I'm going to support whoever. I could understand where people argue for party loyalty. And I think there are times when that is necessary on the other hand like making a loyalty pledge a contingency for being on a debate stage seems like a violation of free speech yeah i mean vivek's already claimed he's not going to run he's not going to do anything other than lead the

country he's going to be a ceo or he's just going to go back to the private sector and run the country you know from the through the economy um so that would mean he's not going to do the debate either if they're going to force him to say he's going to subjugate well i guess well he could endorse it without having to actually run it yeah and i appreciate that he was saying vivek was saying he would not be anything other than the president i mean i don't want to put words in his mouth but insinuate i think he was pretty much saying that because even if he would well i don't i'm not saying i'm not saying to lie but like if i go up there and i'm running for president i'm like like, yeah, but I'll totally be VP if I don't get it. Then they'll be like, oh, okay, then we don't have to vote for him because he'll be VP anyway.

So you kind of have to... I think there's something strategic to it. But I also think for him, maybe that really is the case. I mean, I think this comment on you're wired a certain way. I think there are some people... Like his observation, I don't think Trump could be vice president. I think that's very true. Very true.

I don't think that that's necessarily the case. Can you imagine that? No think that's very true very true i don't think that that's necessarily the case uh can you imagine that no that's the thing it's impossible to imagine vice president donald trump i'm the president actually he's making decisions i'm back on twitter yeah it would just be crazy and also that president would be like please rein it in i picked you because everyone likes you but i don't actually want you to do anything it would just be a nightmarish uh for everyone involved but i think part of it is this is the cycle where i am actually hopeful that there is a third party candidate with rfk because i think he's so interesting again i don't think i actually line up a lot in his camp but i think he brings up interesting concepts i think he is one of the people really controlling narrative on policy in our country right now and i think that's so

important in political leaders even if I don't agree with them, it is interesting to see what you're bringing up. And I think, you know, that is actually something, that's one of the reasons that the left attacks him so hard because if he runs third party, he will hemorrhage votes.

It's not that he will necessarily win as a third party candidate. It's that he will be damaging to the Democrat vote. Exactly. Well, and so this is part of why i'm really hoping he runs third party because i would like the democrats to have one of their candidates run third party i think that would be good for the republicans that said i also

to be honest i would like to see him get the nomination i would never vote for rfk he's he's pro-choice and that's my number one issue he's also pro-gun control he i mean he's a democrat right and it can become easy to become infatuated with these anti-establishment figures but we got to remember their values are not our values that said he's a step in the right direction for the democratic party he's not nearly as bad as the others and i'll say this even though i disagree with him on a lot i commend him for being an original thinker for not just getting in line and obeying what the party tells him i think think there's value there. So I think a Democratic Party which embraces him is a party which is going to do less evil.

And I will also say that even though I don't want the Democrats to win any elections, what Trump did in the Republican Party by making it clear that there was a massive hunger for anti-establishment, anti-war candidates is exactly what I think RFK has the potential to do to the Democratic Party, maybe not in the exact same way. We compare the two of them because they're both anti-establishment, but the truth is it's very difficult to compare anyone in politics to Trump. But RFK is an interesting figure. He has the appeal of being a familiar

name. He's a Kennedy. He's part of that dynasty. So in that sense, he has some of the benefits of being an insider, at least in terms of his quote unquote brand name. However, he actually is an outsider in terms of thought. And I think it actually gives him even more credibility, the fact that he is part of this political family in our country and yet he's willing to stand up to the political establishment that costs him more than somebody who's an ideological outsider who isn't related to people who are pushing the agenda so again i i commend him there he's a step in the right direction for the democratic party but that's also coming from somebody who's going to vote republican yeah i think it'd be so fun to have him on the show if we could get rfb on the show i would love to talk with him sooner

than possible as soon as possible and him and vivek together on like culture war or something would be badass can you imagine more on this show yeah well i think just oh go for it i was gonna say like vivek and rfk being here on culture war in a more moderate setting i think you would get higher quality information than you would with a traditional debate. I just think that overcrowded stage, we ultimately don't get very much. I mean, as a journalist, it's kind of nice because you get a bunch of people all together

and you can get a bunch of short quotes, but do you want people to have meaningful information? That system's not working. I was wondering what you guys think about if, okay, so Trump yesterday said he was, I believe he was going to be arrested for his connection to January 6th. Would that preclude, preclude, is that the right word? Would that remove him from being able to run for office?

No, you can be convicted of a felony and you can be literally serving time in prison and run for prison. But he won't actually use his phone or anything. Deserving a felony is one of the requirements for running. That's true uh but that also means that one of the problems is like if they bring him to trial you know if you spend all the time in court you can't spend time outside campaigning right so there are some some other burdens there i think part of it is that they think if they can get him convicted then like enough people will be like we can't have a felon as a president that's crazy it would be a little bizarre i understand that but uh

there's actually nothing that would legally preclude him from being president it's interesting because on a state level i was talking to i did a story a couple months ago oh my gosh i've worked here for longer than i can remember um i did a story for tim cast about um some libertarians who had won a local level in pennsylvania and one of the people had been convicted of a felony and she was being told she couldn't hold office when at the state at the local level you couldn't like these things become very challenging ultimately for the most part at the state level you cannot be convicted of a felony and hold office but you can run for federal office which I just find deeply interesting

for local office right I haven't for local office because i uh don't have the time surprised you got the job here with that record of yours you're saying that to me with your questionable rumors you're bringing up anybody's uh allegations are not convictions yeah but spoons lost are not spoons at all there's spoons somewhere but not with me because i'm innocent yeah this the spoon gate stuff is crazy and i will say i think i'm being framed uh there's a picture circulating on twitter of of a spoon on my desk that says shames the spoon underneath and you know i i find this to be a crazy violation of my uh personal space i would agree who did that um i have my suspicions i will say i share an office with chris burtman and i left to take a personal phone. I would agree. Who did that? I have my suspicions. I will say I share an office with Chris Burtman

and I left to take a personal phone call. Came back. There was no spoon on my desk, but then suddenly Twitter was telling me this. Hannah Clare's a real journalist. Hannah Clare gives us the facts. And that's why she's repeatedly given the evidence that has made the case for my innocence. But aside from

aside from, you guys know me. I wouldn't do that yeah but i want to know i wouldn't do something like that that's also that's worth more than all the evidence in the world isn't it i will say you are dominating i believe i don't really understand how to access discord i'm sorry guys i will figure it out but i've heard that this conversation is really dominating discord and you know who used to dominate discord one particular cult leader chris burtman so maybe there's some jealousy going on. Someone's got a Photoshop Soundgarden

doing Spoonman with Shaman's face on. Shaman's face? I'm Q Shaman. Yeah, right on Chris Cornell. I just want to say one quick thing before we cut the show off. We're still watching. Oh, you think you're the authority here?

Yeah, I am. I run the show. When Tim's away, Serge is in charge. Serge will play. Yeah, I just want to say that I think it's commenting on RFK and also on Vivek at the same time. Vivek. Ugh.

I was thinking that properly. You should be ashamed. Hey, you made it. You started this. Yeah, you said it wrong a couple times. You made a couple errors. On air? On air I said Vivek?

A couple times. I thought I said Vivek. Only when you read a super chat you said Vivek one time. Yep. It happens. It's okay. But anyway, I just want to say that

people forget that like the, and I used to be a person that thought this too, there's two parties, yes, but there are coalitions in these smaller parties. Like we are a coalition. Myself and an Irish Catholic

are a coalition. We believe a lot of the same things. We are not exactly the same on everything, but we do have a lot of things. We realize that the enemy, the person we're fighting is.

Is Tim. That's right. We have a coalition. We have a coalition. The But we do have a lot of things. We realize that the enemy, the person we're fighting is... Is Tim. That's right. We have a coalition. We have a coalition. The point is we have a coalition. I think that if RFK is a representative of a coalition forming the Democratic Party at all, it's a sign of maybe we are going to win the overall culture war in a positive way. Because I've met a lot of democrats that are that are fans of him and if they and again if they pull the votes and they make this they make this boat uh a little

less uh a little less you know i don't know if they affect the democratic nominee in a negative way i think we should be supporting it like you just said but i think people forget like if it's if it's showing anything it's showing that there are people in the democratic party that are committing wrong think that are doing the other thing that are not falling in line. And that's a good sign. That's a good indicator that we're doing something good here. It seems like if Biden is going to run, Michelle Obama won't. And then if Michelle Obama doesn't run, RFK could easily strip the votes away.

So Biden should step out and let Michelle Obama come in if they want to win the Democratic, the presidency. He's already said he's going to run. Right. Barring some medical emergency, Biden believes he is going to run for second term. He's going to beat his own record as our oldest president. And that's not to be ageist. That's to point out the fact that he is not doing so well. So there's obviously some turmoil within the structure of the Democratic establishment. You would get Biden saying, I'm going to run again. And then his press secretary is being like, oh, he's still talking to his family about it. Like, I think his own administration didn't want to run, but he wanted to. And, you know, we'll see what happens.

But I think, you know, obviously, I fall. I lean more conservative. So I tend to vote for conservative candidates. And I will vote Republican, most likely, because there are a couple issues that are the biggest deal to me that democrats never uh never take the opinion i like on so that's okay that's how that works but i i think it's easy for us to then say like oh look at all this turmoil in the republican party when there's actually lots of turmoil in the dnc as well and rfk is in a unique position to really uh do something with that even if it's not a victory even if he doesn't get the White House,

he is influential in a way that is just fun to see because it makes politics less boring. Yes, exactly. Now, Seamus. Hey, Hannah, here's a power move. Show over. Hate crime. And transmission.

My name is Hannah Clare. And transmission. This is Brimcast. Show over. Stop. How do I make this stop? Stop. And show stop over.

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