Timcast IRL - Texas GOP Greenlights ARREST WARRANTS For Dems Who FLED State w/ Ellie Bufkin

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Phil, Tate, & Shane are joined by Ellie Bufkin to discuss the Texas GOP greenlighting issuing arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to block redistricting, the Governor of New York floating... redistricting after slamming Texas for doing the same, Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren declaring Zohran Mamdani is the democratic message, and new reports Israel plans total occupation of Gaza.   Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Tate @RealTateBrown (X) Shane @ShaneCashman (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Ellie Bufkin @ellie_bufkin (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 you Over the weekend, Texas Democrats fled the state in order to avoid a quorum because the Republican efforts are looking to do some early redistricting. Now, the Texas House has greenlit arrest warrants for the Democrats who fled. And Democrat governors across the country are looking to get into this with Kathy Hochul having an opinion. She said that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map. So we're going to get into that. Benjamin Netanyahu has decided on a full-on occupation of Gaza Strip.
Starting point is 00:01:11 Now honestly, this is not a surprise. Ever since October 7th, it has been the most likely scenario that Hamas was not going to be the authority in Gaza anymore, and it was going to be Israel having to have some kind of occupation, but we'll talk about it. Elizabeth Warren has confirmed that Zoran Mandamni's message of, you know, from each according to their ability to each according to their need is the new Democrat message, so we'll get into that. We'll talk about the New York Post is looking to expand west. And we might talk a little bit about Alex Stein's antics on Capitol Hill today. But before we get into that, why don't you head on over to castbrew.com
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Starting point is 00:03:12 and before we get any further on, we're gonna go ahead and we've got guests tonight, of course. So would you please introduce yourself and tell everyone what you do? Yeah, so I'm Ellie Buffkin. I'm currently the deputy communications director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies But I'm a journalist. I've worked around DC, New York for Fox News for The Federalist the Washington Examiner in town hall for the last 10 years or so So kind of started with Trump back in the day. So day. Awesome. Thanks for coming. Shane is here.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Hello, hello. I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. Tonight I'll be running out of here around 940 to go live on my show on YouTube and Rumble. We're gonna have a big night. We're gonna talk about a giant blob that's underground moving towards New York City. Of what? I don't know yet. We're gonna find out tonight. We got a 30-year-old frozen embryo that was just born. We're gonna find out tonight. We got a 30 year old frozen embryo that was just born We're definitely talk about that tonight and a nuclear reactor on the moon if it's real. How are you doing? Well, it's producer tate tate Brown Occasional host of the morning show whenever Tim's voice is shot So did that today had a lot of fun good to see everyone again. All right. Well, we're gonna get right into it
Starting point is 00:04:23 This is a breaking from the post-millennial Texas House green lights arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to avoid redistricting vote. Texas Democrat lawmakers have defied Governor Greg Abbott's deadline to return to the state legislature to allow a vote on redistricting congressional boundaries. As a result Abbott has ordered for those members to be arrested. Abbott warned late Sunday that he would pursue legal action to remove the lawmakers from office if they fail to return to Austin by Monday, August 4 2025 to vote
Starting point is 00:04:57 on the proposal. Abbott on Monday also directed the Texas Rangers to investigate fleeing Texas House Democrats for potential bribery and any other potential legal violations connected to their refusal to appear for a quorum, conduct business and cast votes, Abbott said. That investigation should extend to anyone who aided or abetted such potential crimes. Abbott's pressure follows a walkout by Democrats seeking to deny the Texas House a quorum, the minimum number of legislators
Starting point is 00:05:26 required to conduct business by leaving the state Democrats effectively froze all legislative activity during a special session set to expire later this month. The primary objective was to halt the GOP drawn congressional map that could secure five additional US House seats for Republicans in the 2026 midterm elections. All right. So normally, the redistricting happens after the census, which is scheduled for 2030, I believe. So the fact that the Republicans are looking
Starting point is 00:05:55 to do redistricting now, it is early, clearly. But I don't know if there's any kind of historical precedent for this. Can you actually speak to this? Yeah, I can't name the exact instances, but it's not unprecedented and it's not federally prohibited. It's unusual. It's unorthodox. And this is kind of what they're standing on right now.
Starting point is 00:06:15 But certainly when, you know, in my experience and what I've read about when there's a huge population shift, which there has been in Texas, especially since 2020, we're talking about the pandemic, we're talking about people fleeing blue states like New York and California primarily and heading to Texas. This is obviously something that would be advantageous for you know, the Republican Party, they're looking, they see that there's a lot more red that there was before. And, and quite frankly, if we're talking about
Starting point is 00:06:41 a, you know, a Democratic Republic, then the people who live there should be represented fairly by their congressional map. And that's what they're going for. 2030 is quite a long ways away, and they want to give the people their proper representation in Congress. So. There's a lot of argument that I hear from the Democrats that are like, oh, well, this is not right.
Starting point is 00:07:03 There shouldn't be gerrymandering. And gerrymandering is so bad in such a big deal. But yet gerrymandering has been the norm literally since this third president, right? Madison's vice president is not forget his last name was Jerry. And that's where the term gerrymandering comes from. This is something that the Democrats have actually mastered and they've really squeezed as much of the juice out of the process of gerrymandering as they possibly can.
Starting point is 00:07:36 So this is a reaction to a change in the demographic or in the population by the Republicans. And the Democrats are really in a position where they can't do anything about it. Isn't that the case? That is the case. And unfortunately, they their hands are tied because they know that the maps are going to be drawn against them because that's who lives in the state. Now, it's extremely hypocritical if you look at any blue state map. Illinois is a great example of gerrymandering gone crazy. New York is another great example.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Why would Jerry Nadler's district be in South Brooklyn and then also on the Upper West Side? It's kind of wild, but they know what they're doing. So for them to come out and say, this is unconstitutional and this is wrong, it's like, we need to remember who the pot is and who the kettle is in this situation. And it is how it's been done, as you said, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:26 for quite a long time, you know, and it's part of the game. Is it fair? I mean, I think that we can all look at times, you know, depending on your own political stripes where you would say that's not fair, absolutely, because it's gonna work against me. But at the end of the day, and I think that even when, you know, as a conservative, even when I'm in the defensive and I see that there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:08:46 blue people, you see a state like New York, it's sad that it's become what it's become, but it is there. They they have that representation. They have the voters to support that kind of thing. And Texas has the same thing now. And to be fair, it's not that just the Democrats have gerrymandered, you know, districts. It's something that the Republicans have done as well, which is part of the reason why I think it stems
Starting point is 00:09:08 from the fact that, you know, it is such a foundational piece of American politics, the fact that changing the district to better produce the results that you want, you know, you want to see is something that has been happening for almost as long as we've had the Republic. I mean, what do you think, Shane, do you think this is something that we can actually expect the reasonable discourse over?
Starting point is 00:09:35 Is it gonna be just people running around with their heads on fire? Reasonable discourse? I'm asking? With these people? I'm asking. No, no, they're screeching because they're not in power, and I think they have to yield this power right now. I
Starting point is 00:09:46 think Texas is was is turning purple. It might be purple, right? Like, so they do what they have to do. You're talking about New York, my old state. Those people in upstate New York are not represented. You know, the city changes the entire vote. So it feels like when you're living there on upstate New York, or anything north of the city, there's pockets of blue here and there. But it's completely wasted. Your vote means nothing, because New York City ruins it. But yeah, it's another victim of redistricting and everything.
Starting point is 00:10:13 So I don't reasonable discourse. I don't think you can expect anything reasonable from the left and the right to some degree as well. Because right now we're like Hokel is literally calling this a war. You know, she's using that kind of language. So, you know, I'm not surprised that they're going to act this way. That's what they do when they're freaking out. I mean, she's right. I mean, you got to play the game. I mean, like the GOP, like you look at North Carolina, that's probably like one of the worst examples of gerrymandering in the country. And that was us. That was the GOP. But it's like, yeah, you got to play the game. Because if you put your tools down, they're not. And they feel the other the same the other way around. It's pretty, pretty annoying seeing some Republicans that are like, guys. We're the party of principles
Starting point is 00:10:48 We can't we can't we can't fall into this trap principles like we're gonna principle our way into the structure It's lose period I mean if you're if you're too principled to play the game that's being played You will lose the people that want to be left alone that's being played, you will lose. The people that wanna be left alone will lose to the people that want to actually exercise power every single time. And I see it all the time, especially, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:11 as a reformed libertarian, you know, like the libertarians love to say, well, you know, I'm a libertarian and you don't do that, you know, we don't use the government for this and we don't use the government for that. And I would love if that were the reality that we live in. But we don't live in that reality. We live in the world where if you don't use the government for that. And I would love if that were the reality that we live in. But we don't live in that reality. We live in the world where if you don't exercise power,
Starting point is 00:11:29 when you have access to power, you can guarantee that your political foes are going to exercise power. And that is going to possibly destroy your way of life. And they're not afraid to use that. Not at all. They love using that power. That's why they're screeching so crazy right now,
Starting point is 00:11:44 because they're out of power to some degree. And they will lose they're losing their minds. They're going to rile up their base to make it sound like this is this is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is D Day all over again. And that's the language they constantly use to scare people. We put one second we've got this video from from Texas representative. In one second, here we go. Being 85 eyes and six n, the motion prevails.
Starting point is 00:12:06 The sergeant at arms and any officers appointed by her are directed to send for all absentees whose attendance is not excused for the purposes of securing and maintaining their attendance under warrant of arrest if necessary until further order of the House. Members, under the rules, while the House is under a call, any member who wishes to leave the hall must have written permission of the Speaker. The Chair is providing written permission to be entered in the Journal for each member registered as present on today's roll call to leave the Chamber and return tomorrow at 1 p.m. Please return at the appointed time. Based, yeah. So the gavel's great.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Gables based on the little Jeopardy bill. It's like clownish. Yeah. I mean, this is a great example of exercising power when you have it. If they follow through, of course, you know, it's one thing to say, make remarks from the the floor of the state house. It's different to actually have things in motion and actually happening. But I personally would love to see, you know, the Texas delegate, the Texas representatives that left, I'd love to see him get arrested. I think it'd be civil. So it'd be some kind of slap on the wrist. No one's going to
Starting point is 00:13:12 actually spend any time in jail. Agreed. But they're also going to use it if they're smart. It's good PR for them. You know, getting arrested now, politicians getting arrested, the mugshot. It's great PR. I don't know if it'll that PR will help them in their path the way it helped Trump with his path his mugshot. But they see that as a way of moving forward. Yeah, we had a we had Tony Ortiz on the show today. He
Starting point is 00:13:33 current revolts like a Texas paper exclusively. Oh, yeah, he's talking about like exactly what you're saying is that, okay, that's gonna be great for us. But also Trump's the big boogeyman for them. And so being prosecuted by Trump is going to be such a play for you if you're- Yeah, it looks good for your base. Does this turn into, I mean, does this activate the base in the same way that Trump's mugshot
Starting point is 00:13:56 activated the conservative base? I think they've lost a lot of capital in that. I think that four years ago, yes. I think during the first Trump administration, yes. And in fact, they did this four years ago in 2021 over a voting ID law. And the threats came, it kind of fizzled out. They returned, they voted, it was over.
Starting point is 00:14:15 I mean, and even then, they got more attention then. And I remember, I think I was working at Fox then and we covered it and it was like, ha ha ha, like these guys like leaving town and camping out in Illinois or wherever they were. Yeah, DC. Yeah. And you know, they did it before long ago
Starting point is 00:14:30 and like 2003 they did it twice over redistricting. So this is a card that they know how to play and I think unfortunately they're not gonna see the return. I mean, I could be wrong, but I just- I think you're right. I think gerrymandering doesn't rile up their base as much as like abortion does. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Well, and also like tech, this is not a good gauge of base either because the only reason this happens so much in Texas, this really only happens in Texas, is because for a quorum, you need two thirds to be present, where pretty much every other state's half. So they can pull this card basically like over if they change the lunchtime or something,
Starting point is 00:14:58 they could crash out. What does Beto O'Rourke think though? Someone I really need to hear from. But eaten Illinois dirt, it seems like. Beto O'Rourke heard that the Democrats I really need to hear from. But eating the Illinois dirt seemed like a taste of that. Beto O'Rourke heard that the Democrats were running and he's like, oh, I'm running too. Yeah, he's in it, man. He's eating the dirt up in Chicago,
Starting point is 00:15:12 it's got casings in it. He was dying to do anything at all to be a public figure. He tried everything, Senate, state rep, and he lost everything. And I can't believe it. Well, he won the first time. I mean, he was in Congress and he gave that up. His ambitions got too big.
Starting point is 00:15:28 They gave David Hogg more power than they gave Bill O'Rourke. They did, didn't they? Brutal. Brutal. You've seen a lot of white people pretend to be black, but when have you ever seen a white person LARP as Hispanic? I mean, Alec Baldwin's wife and then.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Yeah, yeah, Hilario, yeah. And that's it. That's like the two big ones. Ito. Ito, yeah. Ito. With ICE, it, yeah, hilarious. Yeah, that's it. That's like the two big ones The ice it's tougher these days More dangerous No, my name's Robert. Sorry. I don't know what you're talking about, man Why don't we go to the story? Kathy Hochul says that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map. New York Governor Kathy Hochul hosted Texas Democrat lawmakers at the
Starting point is 00:16:10 state Capitol on Wednesday after the lawmakers fled their state in order to deny Republican lawmakers the quorum needed to pass a redistricting proposal. During her speech Hochul said that she and other New York lawmakers were exploring options to conduct redistricting in the state to counteract redistricting in Texas. I have a news flash for Republicans in Texas. This is no longer the Wild West. We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern-day stagecoast by a bunch of law-breaking cowboys. This is that, she's just laying it on thick there. Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them.
Starting point is 00:16:50 They believe in fairness. It's fundamental. And I'll tell you this, they're done with the chaos. They're done with the cruelty. And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections. Are you sure about that, Kat?
Starting point is 00:17:04 Circle the wagons. I know, I'm surprised she didn't go there. It's funny because up until she says to vote out Republicans, it sounds like she's describing the Trump base, right? I mean, it actually exactly describes like what happened and why Trump came into power in the first place because people do feel like they're disenfranchised.
Starting point is 00:17:21 People do feel like they're not being listened to. And that's exactly why this is the way that it is. And this lady is a psychopath. Let's see. I fled New York as she was in a church saying, we need you to be our apostles. Let's see what she has to say. I have news flash for Republicans in Texas. This is no longer the Wild West. We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in modern day stagecoach hoist by a bunch of law-breaking cowboys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Making us sound awesome. Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them. They believe in fairness. It's fundamental. No, we don't. It's America. I'll say this, they're done with the chaos. They're done with the cruelty. I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington,
Starting point is 00:18:07 certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections. All right, so this is four minutes long. They've seen the polls. They made her in the same laboratory they made Pelosi. It's just like a newer version. I never realized that it looked so witchy similar. Americans care about. She's like Westworld, she's just like the newer model.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Exactly. They do this thing where they have like a LARP, like their working class. So the speech writer They do this thing where they have like a LARP, like their working class. So the speech writer is like so obnoxious. Like, oh yeah, this is how people talk, like out in the country. And it's like the worst. And then the worst is in the Republican side when they make all the guys try to emulate Trump.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Like they did with DeSantis is they would like, because Trump, you know, he'd say, like I'm going to rough them up. And everyone's like, yeah. And then they had DeSantis come out. And they're like, we're going to slit their throats. And everyone's like, whoa, dude, what is wrong with you? You're the same thing.
Starting point is 00:18:46 You're like, we're a bunch of swashbuckling cowboys. Yeah, that sounds sick. He talks about engines in the next part. We're going to scalp them. Whoa, dude, cowboys and Indians. The only person who can pull this off is Trump, though. Nobody can exactly explain why. It's like, why is Ricky Gervais the only person who
Starting point is 00:19:03 can make age jokes work? Like, nobody knows. It's the same thing. Like, only Trump can talk explain why. It's like, why is Ricky Gervais the only person who can make age jokes work? Like, nobody knows. It's the same thing. Like, only Trump can talk like this. Everybody else sounds masochistic and terrifying. That's creepy. And she's like, Americans care about fairness? I'm like, are you new here?
Starting point is 00:19:16 This is a country of temporarily and various millionaires. I will switch up on everyone if it means a million dollars. Are you kidding me? Fairness? Get out of here. I mean, that's the argument that I make all the time. Like, Americans care about like kitchen table issues. They care about, can I pay my bills? Can I afford to get my kids into the school
Starting point is 00:19:30 that I wanted to go in? Like, everybody cares about their wallet. And everything else that they say they care about is tertiary to their wallet. Even now, with Gen X being favorable to socialist policies, they're not favorable to their wallet. Even now, with Gen X being favorable to socialist policies, they're not favorable to actual communism because they don't conceptualize actual communism. They think, I'm gonna get free stuff
Starting point is 00:19:58 and that's good because I can't afford to pay my bills. If the average Gen Z person had a hundred grand in the bank now, they wouldn't feel that way, right? Like they wouldn't feel like, oh, I'm favorable to, you know, confiscatory tax policy, because they'd be like, that's gonna take my stuff. And so the idea that it's it's it's somehow baked into young people to actually want a socialist president or socialist
Starting point is 00:20:30 policies. No, they want to be able to pay their bills. They want to feel like they can afford to live. They want to be able to pay their rent. And now, because of the past 15 years since the economic crisis, because of the way that the federal government and the Federal Reserve has been handling monetary policy, because of those things, it's coming down on Gen Z. They're the ones that are paying for it. And it's something that, again, I'm a reform libertarian, but back in the day, I was the guy that was screaming
Starting point is 00:21:02 about this is going to come back to bite America in the ass This is going to be a massive problem. And now it is. Mm-hmm. I think the younger crowd subconsciously embraces Capitalism while trying to embrace a false idea of socialism communism, you know Cuz they're out there protesting with all their technology that they can they can afford and do the things they think they can do at Home like their poetry books, but they don't understand the end game for socialism, communism, feeding off of them, owning them, you know, turning them into slaves. They see this false idea of a paradise that they've been lied to about.
Starting point is 00:21:37 I agree with you. And I think that a lot of it is a lack of understanding and a lack of just intellect about what capitalism, what socialism is, what Marxism is. But more than that, they've kind of conditioned to be comfortable. And I've heard you guys talk about this on the show for weeks now.
Starting point is 00:21:53 There's just a lack of interest in bettering yourself. So this idea of getting free stuff is just kind of tacking onto the fact that I can live on the bare minimum, whatever that is, and I'll just take whatever is free and I'll learn to live with it and I'll learn to live with it. I'll learn to live with 16 dudes and I'll just never have kids and I'll never save anybody and that's fine with me.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And there's this mentality, and I don't even think it's limited to gen Z or gen alpha. I mean, I think that there's people in my age group who are suffering through this too. So I'm not really sure what the solution is, but they have them, like people like Huckle have them right where they want them. You know, they're ready for the free stuff without actually
Starting point is 00:22:27 putting too much thought into what it means. Yeah, I mean, most of the time people don't associate the free stuff with all of the strings that are attached. But nothing that comes from the government comes without strings. And you can actually see it the way that the government treats the federal government
Starting point is 00:22:42 treats the states, right? So you get states that have all this federal money for say roads, right? For interstate systems. Well, to get that money, you have to do things that whatever administration is in power says. And there's the generalized ones, like you have to have your alcohol sales,
Starting point is 00:23:03 the age limit has to be 21, it can't be lower. And if you lower it, the age limit has to be 21. It can't be lower. And if you lower it, the federal government will stop giving you money for roads, right? Like that was the way that they got nationwide, 21 is the age for the drinking age, right? But there's other things that depend on who the actual president is.
Starting point is 00:23:22 And Donald Trump is doing this all the time. Whether or not you like these policies or whatever, Donald Trump adds strings to federal funding all the time. So the idea that you get anything for free is, it's a mirage. There's always strings attached and the government's always gonna be like, you have to do this if you wanna get this.
Starting point is 00:23:42 In fact, the Treasury Department right now accepts PayPal and Venmo if anyone has any extra cash yeah for some reason that you want to help with the national debt send it their way I'm sure you don't need it that's that'd be kind of that's actually kind of base I'm gonna do that get a right get a head start on my taxes never get anything you don't ask for that's not a head start on your taxes this is just a gift to the government oh yeah I love the government yeah yeah, yeah. He's tax deductible. I think with Zoomers, it's just, because I'm a Zoomer,
Starting point is 00:24:08 we're just so nihilistic about how broken everything is, that it's like you kind of have to have a radical ideology. It's like being a moderate, it's so gay. It's boomer coded. Well, it's like it's boomer coded, and it's like, so you're hanging out with other Zoomers, and you're like, oh, you're like a paleo Marxist Leninist. Oh, I'm like a radical like monarchist.
Starting point is 00:24:27 You'd like, tell me what your thing, like what's your radical ideology? So we're all in lists, that's the problem. It's all the Zoomerwaffen. Yeah, that's what it is. So yeah, we're all in lists now. I think we're all just waiting for like the political flags, right?
Starting point is 00:24:38 So like we can like add ourselves to like stripes and letters and yeah. I mean, the problem with the demand for radical politics is there's real world consequences that honestly, they don't, you know, this is boring. Like that they don't think about, right? Like, you know, there's, it's not like radical politics are actually new.
Starting point is 00:25:02 There's no radical politics. There's old politics that are radical now that people are talking about, which is whether it be the, again, the Zoomer Waffen or whether you're talking about the actual communists, you know, the Marxist Leninists and stuff. That's radical, but it's not new. It's just, it's stuff that's been tried before
Starting point is 00:25:23 and hasn't produced positive results and and a whole few Generations learned during the summer of love that violence and burning down cities does have results For in their favor. Yeah, you know and like you're like well or vice president could donate money for your for your bail How does it actually work in their favor to those people? Maybe temporarily they because I don't think that I would say that they didn't get anything Did those people actually? Maybe temporarily. Because I don't think that, I would say that they didn't get anything actually beneficial out of it.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Maybe they didn't have to go to jail and pay like the price that you'd expect for being violent. You mean personally they got anything or societally? Either one. Because I feel like their society for a bit of time bent over for them. They also- Corporations did, like everyone- So they got a sugar high.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah, yeah, like I don't think it was a, there was a longevity to it, but they got what they wanted, but it didn't last. I think there was. I think they had from their perspective, they advanced the football because they pushed the Democrat party in a more radical and radical way. I mean, okay. Yeah. Society reeled back with the Trump election, but the Democrat parties forever changed because of 2020. Yeah. I mean, all the politicians, I mean,
Starting point is 00:26:21 we had politicians crying at George Floyd's funeral over with his gold casket We had the NBA doing their thing for like everyone kind of bent over anywhere either It's like the Democrat Party that is still if anything the base is actually mad that they're not radical enough So then maybe so maybe now's a good time to go on to this story here from the post millennial Elizabeth Warren confirms Oh Ron mem Donnie's message is the Democratic message Elizabeth Warren confirms Zohran Mamdani's message is the Democratic message. Senator Elizabeth Warren joined New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on Wednesday saying that the Canada socialist platform is the Democratic message. When someone stands up and says, I will lead this city by making it more affordable and
Starting point is 00:27:01 here are my plans, real plans, plans to deliver on childcare, plans to deliver on housing plans to deliver. We're gonna experiment. We're going to try things on groceries. That is the democratic message. Warren joined Mom Donnie at the DC 37 union building to express support for his universal childcare proposal per the New York Post. For me, New York City is the place to start the
Starting point is 00:27:25 conversation for Democrats on how affordability is the central issue, the central reason to be a Democrat, and that delivering on it in meaningful, tangible ways that will touch working families is why we're here. See, whether or not you read people want to admit it, the idea of affordability is something that's going to resonate with young people because they can't afford stuff now. So even though this is the the policies that he's actually talking about are horrible, they're all policies that will take New York backwards. They're gonna destroy investment. They're going to probably
Starting point is 00:28:03 destroy people's ability to actually get food. If you have municipal grocery stores, they're going to end up with empty shelves because there's other places where you can get eggs. They're not going to be able to compete and they're going to have to try to affect the other grocery stores to be able to compete. These are all, the policies like rent
Starting point is 00:28:25 control are terrible, they end up making the places that people have rent control, they make those places into slums, because nobody wants to invest to fix those places when things break down. They're they're all destructive policies. But when they're sold to the electorate as this is to make things more affordable, and the electorate as this is to make things more affordable and the electorate cannot afford things, they're going to say, yeah, that's a good deal for me. I mean.
Starting point is 00:28:51 I agree. These people like AOC, they don't even want you to work. This just reminded me of that time. Was it Amazon moving into her district and she voted it away? Yeah. That was going to bring in a ton of jobs, but this will be more appealing. I'm sure there were people who were very mad about that in that district.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Yeah, people in her district. They were yelling at her, right? They were pissed. Yeah, yeah. Here's the, oh sorry. No, no, no, go for it. No, but here's the thing, and I truly predict, and having lived in New York many, many years at this point
Starting point is 00:29:17 and seen so many of these policies actually come into play, I think a lot of people are predicting, oh, if he wins, everyone's going to leave. Well, first of all, most everybody who's going to leave already left. Like, most people who, anybody who's still there has to be there. I mean, that's the only reason for it at this point.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I generally think these policies are harmful. And anybody who lives in New York long enough is going to realize that they're not going to get anything for free. They're not going to be able to overcome the incredible rent problem that they already have in New York. And I'm sorry, but $15 an hour is not a living wage. So I'm not sure like what world you live in. And coming from the restaurant industry 15 years and most of it in New York, that was
Starting point is 00:29:55 extremely harmful. And the result was that most people lost their jobs. Not that they actually were able to afford their rent. Some of the waitresses in Manhattan do all right. And now with the tips maybe you know I wonder how the tips are going to help them except they don't because there's only half of the one the amount that they used To be and they don't get tipped because the service is terrible because there's not enough people on the floor because they have to pay people Benefits they have to pay people these exorbitant minimum wages restaurants operate on this like sliver margin I mean I knew people who were working in restaurants and hotels and those hotels were taken to given to illegals. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Like they lost their jobs and these guys got debit cards. Most of the restaurants that I worked for in New York lost their property because of that. They were all in hotels. It was Danny Meyer, this is very famous. He had Milino and Marta and the Redwood Hotel and the Gramercy Park Hotel. And both of those restaurants are gone because of that.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Not because of the pandemic, but because of migrants in the hotels. Insane. So these are what the policies actually cause. Yeah, and I can't wait for when, not that I want, because Trump's the guy, he should be Caesar, back to the route of policies. But when Trump's out of the way,
Starting point is 00:30:57 I can't wait for the knife fight in the Democrat party between the DSA and the old stock Democrats, so to speak, because I mean, there's gonna be one side has all the money and then the other side has all the passion, and it's gonna be so fun watching this. I mean, it's gonna be delicious. So Ellie, back to that point that you were making about the businesses leaving,
Starting point is 00:31:15 do you foresee if Mamdani does win and it's looking like he's going to, do you foresee New York becoming like Detroit? Is it possible for New York City to be hollowed out like that? Because I can imagine, you know, a lot of people, I know you made the argument that, you know, the people that can leave have already left.
Starting point is 00:31:35 I don't know that I believe that. I think there are a lot of people that wanted to pay more because it made them feel good. A lot of wealthy people, you know, on the Upper East and West Side that wanted to pay more because it made them feel good. A lot of wealthy people, you know, on the Upper East and West Side that had, that have nice apartments around Central Park and stuff, or nice condos, and those people,
Starting point is 00:31:55 if the government starts actually going after their, their, you know, their savings, saying, you know, you've got this unrealized gain, unrealized or taxes on unrealized gains or whatever. I think that those people will be like, okay, now this is too much for me and they might start leaving. And do you foresee a possibility?
Starting point is 00:32:15 It's possible. I think that it's hard to compare it to Detroit, which really lost its soul because of the death of the American made automotive industry. So that really is kind of difficult to compare. I think the more- Couldn't you conceptualize like the financial industry saying, you know what, I don't need to,
Starting point is 00:32:29 we don't need to be here? That would take so much more than, I think much more likely in this scenario- They don't have factories. Much more likely in this scenario is that they're gonna elect Mondami and then they're going to realize what they've done. And the buyer's remorse is going to result in a massive pendulum swing long before he has the chance
Starting point is 00:32:44 to rot that city to its core. People understand that New York is New York. It's the heart and soul of media. It's the heart and soul of you know, news and politics. But if it's young people that don't have any money, and don't have anything to lose. Are there enough older people with money and with things to lose that would vote against those people to say, okay, we actually have enough influence.
Starting point is 00:33:08 You think there's enough? I think that the young people are going to lose interest in this. I think that the worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party right now is Zohan Mondani. I think that him winning this election is going to show everybody exactly what they're playing with. It's going to reveal every card that they've been trying to use and it's gonna be an enormous problem for them.
Starting point is 00:33:27 New York City also has like a really transitory population. So the under 35 crowd right now, completely different from what the under 35 crowd was 20 years ago. So the amount of cultural changes that are gonna occur with young people in New York City, the next five, 10 years when that churn happens. I mean, like I think the average New Yorker that's,
Starting point is 00:33:44 I saw a stat and it was the average New Yorker under 35 lives there for like four and a half years. It's like the Zoran voters can be gone in five years anyway. I also feel like New York City is capable of dying coming back, like I think how it was in the 70s. It was a war zone. More times than that. Way more times than that.
Starting point is 00:33:59 So there's always, I think, hope for that place. Maybe Trump will be mayor after all this. I spend so much time complaining about it, in think, hope for that place. Maybe Trump will be mayor after all this. I spend so much time complaining about it in print, not in podcasts and stuff. And it's like, I could live there again. I like it. I mean, it is what it is. It's New York.
Starting point is 00:34:13 I have no interest in going to Detroit. I'm sorry if anybody's like I am. Detroit could be awesome. Chicago's staying on its feet, even with two back-to-back, full-blown communist, low-acute people running the city. They got rid of What's Her Face and then got the some people. Yeah, They got rid of, you know, what's her face? And then got the some people.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Yeah, they got rid of Beetlejuice and brought in. Oh, if the city, if New York City descends into violence more, that might make people move. Do you think? Yeah, I think that's the, that's really the thing is the safety issue. And most of the people that I know who left during the pandemic, I know a lot of people who were, you know, conservative media who left, but more specifically people left because they had kids and they were just afraid
Starting point is 00:34:44 that this was not a good place to have them anymore. Oh yeah. We were getting threatened to have our heads chopped off on the subways with our babies trolling. Not targeted. From Brooklyn to Harlem. People just running around with machetes threatening to chop your head off. Yeah, a few times.
Starting point is 00:34:55 But even then, the suburbs in and around, like Connecticut, New Jersey, still growing a lot. So it's like, even the suburbs in and around New York City are still dependent on New York City. So even if there's a capital flight from New York City itself, a lot of that will just land in Westchester, Bergen. It would have to be a generation of Marxist communism in that city to get to the point that you described. I mean, I think it is on the table, but I predict that it'll self-correct long before that. I mean, we're seeing, yeah, I mean, we're seeing now where San Francisco had
Starting point is 00:35:24 much more sensitive industry and now they're kind of coming to their senses a little bit. They're electing more moderate candidates. And it's like, and they're gonna probably be fine to some degree, cause this is America and there's just a lot of capital in America. It would take a lot to end up in a Detroit situation for a city of the magnitude of New York city.
Starting point is 00:35:42 So it's gonna, yeah, probably like you said, you probably will, the New York Post is gonna have some really good headlines the next two years, two to three years. Oh yeah, my favorite New York Post headline from the city is headless body in a topless bar. That's a great one. That's really good.
Starting point is 00:35:57 It's a classic. Yeah, I know they have a table at the New York Post and they're just sitting around just like, bang, did it again, dude. They do, I mean, that's, yeah, that's not a fantasy. That's legitimately the news. Well they have like there's got to be like one table just in charge of giving a different name to a criminal every single time. There's headline writers like they literally don't write copy they just write headlines. In our form. Rabble rousers. It's like they're trying to come up with as many names as possible. I love that. I mean, look, headlines and what's gonna get a click
Starting point is 00:36:25 is one of the most important currencies that exist in the online. On 2025. I mean, there's a reason this. I mean, how much? I don't think the Post is even worried about headlines or making money. I think they just wanna perform art.
Starting point is 00:36:41 I think it's just art. I mean, you are so. It's all performance. You're so full of it. It's a gift to America. We're losing money. This is for you. In fairness, they can't be making money on print anymore. And they're still the number one circulator of actual physical copies.
Starting point is 00:36:54 So it's got to be the art. It's a room full of patrons. It's a beautiful thing. Dude, they literally make money on their web games, right? On their browser games. Isn't that where there's stuff you can buy on Play Store? Isn't that where they make money on their way unlike their web games right on like their browser games Isn't that where like there's something you could buy on place or isn't that where is it? They make most their money. I thought that's what their main most of their money I don't know but like New York Times probably just a property by wordle at this point. Yeah
Starting point is 00:37:17 Or the Chinese Communist Party, yeah New York Times is oh, yeah well I mean loaded by there's the the the Communist Party in or the New York Times has been run from them by the Communist Party since the 30s yeah got him some Pulitzers. What was his name that was lying about the Soviet Union? I always forget his name He went over a tea William Durant William Durant II was over there and yeah didn't write about he basically said there was no fan and happening. Yeah, he's I've seen the future and it's working or dieting. It's not
Starting point is 00:37:53 It's nutrition it's gonna be great in a hundred years. You're a Pulitzer. Yeah But I mean, I don't I don't know that I'm as optimistic as you guys about New York City, because I think that the population is going to end up, like hypothetically, if Mamdani wins, he institutes these policies, and then they don't work, and I think that only radicalizes people more. Like the most important thing for Donald Trump is to have economic policies that work Everybody you hear a lot of people making noise about you know about the Epstein list
Starting point is 00:38:33 You hear a lot of people making noise about Israel. You hear a lot of people making noise about oh, there haven't been people arrested yet He hasn't done enough to clean the swamp blah blah blah blah blah the reason that he got elected was because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The reason that he got elected was because he was going to do good things for the economy, and that's what people heard when they said, we're going to deport illegal immigrants, right? They elected him because he was going
Starting point is 00:38:56 to deport illegal immigrants, and people translated that in their heads to, I will be able to find jobs and better jobs and more jobs for Americans. It's economics. So if his economic policies don't pan out, that means that it's likely that someone like an AOC or like not that he could win because he wasn't born here, but like Azor on mum, Donny, someone with those kind of policies could win the presidential election in, you know, 2030 or whatever,
Starting point is 00:39:26 whenever the next one is I forget. But yeah, like, I feel like the failures of the this particular administration or the failures of a mum Donnie administration only helped to feed the radicals. It doesn't mean that people are gonna say no, we have to go back to the ways that have actually worked, because the young people and people that that that are upset now don't believe those ways ever worked. I think okay, going down your path, I see that possibility because in the left, especially in the younger generations,
Starting point is 00:40:04 widespread nihilism, so a bad economy and suffering might just make it part of their DNA. We have to self-sacrifice. Because people right now, the people that think that leftist policies are a good idea, they look at this world that we live in and they don't see that capitalism is what built it. They think that it just is. If you talk to a kid that's got favorable opinions of communism
Starting point is 00:40:34 or whatever, he doesn't think, oh, well, communism might be okay, but it's capitalism that's gotten us here. It's capitalism that's raised Basically everyone on earth out of a abject poverty like they're there in 2030 There will be no one left on the planet that lives on less than a doll like two bucks a day, right? And it's not socialism that's produced that it's not at all It's capitalism, but they don't see that and you try to tell them that and they're not hearing it because believe me I'll get on I'll get on X and I'll argue with anybody and I'll be like, you know This is what's going on and to hear them talk They don't understand or they it doesn't
Starting point is 00:41:17 Compute to them that this world that we live in with all this abundance and the fact that you can use your phone to order Door-dash and have it brought to your house and then pay for it with Klarna like all that stuff is because of capitalism not that Klarna is a Terrible answer for DoorDash with Klarna. You have a lot of horrible idea. That's awesome But the point is like all of that is because of capitalism and they don't understand that they think no Capitalism is why my life is bad Capitalism is why things are hard capitalism is is why I don't get to do the things that I want to do. Even though, like the things that
Starting point is 00:41:51 they want to do don't exist in the absence of capitalism. And it's something that you see on the left a lot. People on the left love to produce these memes that say, oh, 50, gorillion people died of of of capitalism because they didn't have clean water and they didn't have medicine and they didn't have food and they didn't have this and it's like, all of the things you're talking about, they don't get without capitalism. And they
Starting point is 00:42:19 just assume that medicine and technological advances and all of this stuff happens in the absence of capitalism and it doesn't so I don't know that they understand the world they live in the foundation is markets and liberty it's been on purpose that's why not why things like the Cultural Revolution have to destroy history so they can rebuild you you're born again into this fake religion of Marxism to destroy to rebuild this utopia. And like it's not to say that capitalism has massive flaws, like massive flaws, but it's
Starting point is 00:42:50 still right now what we got. And when I'm like, that's what I'm, what you're saying is that's exactly what I mean by subconsciously embracing capitalism. They're taking part in all of it, but they've been force fed this idea of like no family, no real work, no legacy, no beauty. So they're suffering as part of their policy. But it's like too, it's like we've, I mean, the right has invested so much money and time into like media promoting capitalism and free markets for the last 50 years.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And like there's been pretty much no fruit. And then Trump comes along. I don't even know if he's ever mentioned the word capitalism once. He's just like, we're going to make deals. It's going to be great. Like we're going to have a huge building in New York with my name on it. That's what people want to hear. People want like, you know how they get, I don't think he's ever explained like Keynesian model before in his entire life. He's like, he's just, he wants to make a deal. And that it's like young people just need to believe. And if you get really into the weeds on this, like Zoran isn't getting up there explaining
Starting point is 00:43:42 like Mark that people are going through his website and looking at all his policies. They're like, brain's working. They're like, why is it? This doesn't even work. This doesn't compute. It's like, cause it doesn't matter. It's about the vibes.
Starting point is 00:43:51 You have to sell, Americans are a vibes based people. You have to sell the vibe. So the right can't like over correct and start getting really into like economics textbooks and stuff. Cause that's what like, you know, not going to say names they've been doing for years and it's not working.
Starting point is 00:44:03 So then if vibes are how you sell people on something, how do you make young people understand? Trump's done it, Trump's done it. So, I mean, Trump crushes with young men because it's awesome. No, I know, I know, I'm gonna push back on that. Trump crushes with young men because the Democrats hate young men.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Look, if Trump wasn't the only option, I don't think Trump would be as popular with young men. The option is Donald Trump or we hate you and hope you die. No, because when Trump's not on the ballot, Republicans do terribly, because I think young men love Trump I mean they hate Democrats because they like you said they are they stay home HR but like Trump just provides something that just connects like I've never found an eight-year-old man relatable in my entire life until Donald Trump
Starting point is 00:44:57 I agree with you and I think that if you look at the last election results It's clear that I mean Trump didn't win the popular popular vote and the electoral college because the Democrats screwed up so badly. I mean, he, they did, but he also won because he had a message that resonated. There was more, there was a little bit of column A and a lot of column B. But I think it's really important. You said something that I really want to go back to, which is the religion of socialism and Marxism. And that is what's working so well for the left right now, is they've created this sort of cult vibe and it's very, very attractive.
Starting point is 00:45:29 It's the same thing, you know, the trans flag with all the colors, you can be in our club, you're in the cult, you can wave the colors, you can wear the badge, you've got this, and that is very difficult to break into. And it's the same problem that Europe is dealing with, with having extremists living in their and you know in their countries and having neighborhoods that are just been taken over you can't
Starting point is 00:45:48 compete with the ideology the ideology is strong so I'm not sure what the answer is there calling it a religion is really hitting the nail on the head look it gives P. if you are a young. You know say you're young white guy right and you've been told all your life you since you were little you've heard even if even if you're not told, you just hear, right? Just you live in this society where you hear, white men are bad, men are bad, boys are toxic,
Starting point is 00:46:15 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you find out that if you just like guys, or if you decide that you want to be a woman, you can, and it's literally a way out for you. And you just have to swallow the ideology whole. It's, I can imagine that it is incredibly attractive for people that are awkward, that can't find their way in life, and, in, in, in life. And at a time
Starting point is 00:46:47 when you're going through puberty, you're about to go through puberty, if you're not the most masculine dude, if you're not a, you know, a dude that's able to assert himself, that doesn't feel like he's a winner, which I mean, when you're a teenager who does, you know, that kind of ideology, that possible way out is incredibly attractive. It's crazy to see how that ideology is spread to just beyond the young group, because there's parents who are willing to sacrifice their children for that,
Starting point is 00:47:19 like to mutilate your child. Mostly women. That's a death cult. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's guys too, you know, effeminate dudes. That's well well the dudes end up joining and being a part of it I mean look at the Kardashians you know Jenner you know Caitlyn Jenner you say Bruce you can say Bruce Bruce whatever you know Bruce like he he won at life won gold medal it was on the week he was the guy on the Wheaties box. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:46 And then he's like, my daughters are hotter than me. Yeah. He's like, you actually seen there's like, I never watched the Kardashians. But have you actually seen the clip where he is explaining to his daughters that he's going to become a woman? And like, they're hysterical.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Like, and not in a good way. I mean, it's a really sad scene. I mean, and now you have to think about this. He's been Caitlyn Jenner now for a long time, but before that, you know, he was Bruce and he was this Olympian and he was, like you said, winning at life. But this was something that was so difficult for his family. And it just, I mean, my immediate thought was like, who's helping this man? Like, there's just, I
Starting point is 00:48:21 mean, it's just such a sad thing that like, clearly, he's just going through it and like destroying his family to get to that end and you know That family has good access to plastic surgeons. Yeah So well for Bruce the other three are like clone new version take it back into the garage, wrench on a little more. Chris Jenner looks great. All right, there's no, that's just an objective truth. It is like the undercurrent of left-wing thought is it's an attack on beauty. And like, for example, if you're a young person,
Starting point is 00:48:53 what is more beautiful than having a child extending your bloodline? So of course they're gonna try and push homosexuality onto you because it nukes your bloodline. Saying you think it's transgenuos, you're taking Bruce Jenner, I'm not gonna call him beautiful but you're taking a specimen right a
Starting point is 00:49:06 physical specimen this is peak human performance and to rip them down and destroy them and you know hot swap and weld on some you know skin on it yeah and he's got like a grenade blast on his arm I mean what is more horrifying than that and that's what they're trying to push they're trying to destroy something that's the pinnacle of humanity that's an Olympian and that's what they're trying to push. They're trying to destroy something that's the pinnacle of humanity, which is an Olympian. And that's how they redefine beauty, because to them, that's beauty. I don't think they're even trying to redefine beauty.
Starting point is 00:49:31 I think they're trying to normalize ugly. Yeah, raise ugliness. You see it everywhere. You go to Boston, you see their city hall. That's not, they're not, the only thing is beautiful. They know it's hideous, and they're like, in your face. Once you do these surgeries on people, you take away their ability to change their mind
Starting point is 00:49:46 because now they've become lifelong patients where they're gonna have to constantly address this and you can't undo it. I mean, and you listen to these just harrowing stories from like D-transitioners about like what they've gone through and the type of support they got from people who swore a Hippocratic oath to do no harm and did exactly that.
Starting point is 00:50:04 I mean, it's really. To your point, one of the things the left talks about, you hear the phrase center the margins, right? And they say that the people on the margins should be made the center. That doesn't work for society at all, right? Like you have to have a society that focuses on the majority of the people and says,
Starting point is 00:50:24 this is how we're going to have our society organized and if you want to live on the margins, that's acceptable. In a society like ours, we can make room for people to live on the margins, but that doesn't mean that we have to center them. All government policy should focus on families, normal, and I'm using the term normal intentionally,
Starting point is 00:50:48 normal men and women married together having kids, hopefully three, you know? Because that's what's normal, and that's what you need to reproduce your society. And the idea that it is good for the government to promote things that will not help produce more of the society is ridiculous. It's literally counterproductive to the society. Like, why are you going to say, oh, we're
Starting point is 00:51:21 going to make special accommodations for trans people for gay people for non binary people, whatever, we're gonna make special accommodations for trans people for gay people for non-binary people Whatever we're gonna make special special accommodations and center those people in our policymaking When those people are not going to reproduce the society, right? They're just not gonna do it I mean, it's it's the most counterproductive thing a government can do is to say we're gonna take the people on the Margins and center them know You've sent her you focus on the people in the center and make sure that normal families again using the phrase normal intentionally because normal means man woman kids because normal means man, woman, kids, normal families
Starting point is 00:52:09 have what they need to be successful. And that being the idea that that's a hateful perspective, which is what, I mean, there are people that will clip this or would clip this and say, Phil is a bigot for saying that. I don't care if you're gonna call me a bigot for saying that normal people are normal. But normal, the word normal has a meaning. And that's what the government should be focusing on, on doing its best to hold up and support. And if you live on, if you want to have a life
Starting point is 00:52:36 that's on the margins, it's okay. There's nothing, there's nothing that, that is going to, we're going to stop you. But you don't get to be the center of attention. You can be on the margins, you can have your friend group and whatever, but the government is gonna look at people that are normal and say, this is what we want to see more of, because this is what produces more people at the, even if only for the fact that it produces more tax base.
Starting point is 00:53:00 But no. Attacking the normal and embracing the fringe is how they collapse a society. Yes. Which is what they want. So they can flood it with their insanity. Yeah. I mean, I think, I don't know, I think gays are like probably better off if they're on the fringe because that's when like you think like the seventies and eighties, like they're making good music, like there's good art coming out. And then we like put them in the center and you get like RuPaul's drag race or whatever. Barack Obama. You get Obama. I mean, it's like, it sucks. It's like,
Starting point is 00:53:24 I don't know, maybe like, I don't even know if they're happy being in the middle of everything. They may have overshot it when they realized like the 25 year old Republican man is like the punk rock version. Yeah. 25.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Yeah. Like the coolest gay guy in the last 30 years is like George Santos. He was like a rock star. Yeah, now he's getting street cred. Yeah. Oh yeah, he's a gangster. Too much time in jail.
Starting point is 00:53:42 He's got a lot of fans. Yeah. Sweaters is tough. Sweater is the new, like, yeah, the's a gang too much too much time in jail. Yeah sweaters is tough Sweater is the new like yeah, the new like orange jumpsuit We're gonna jump to this next story here Benjamin Netanyahu has decided off on full occupation of the Gaza Strip reports. This is from Newsweek Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's decided that the Israeli Defense Force should push to fully occupy the besieged Gaza Strip, including operating in areas where hostages are being held, according to multiple media reports. The Prime Minister's Office also conveyed a message to Lieutenant General Eyal Zameer,
Starting point is 00:54:18 the Army's Chief of Staff, saying, if this does not suit him, you should resign, according to Euronews and I-24's diplomatic correspondent Amichai Stein. Newsweek reached out to Netanyahu's office for comment via email on Monday. Israeli media reported that the cabinet will meet on Tuesday to come to a formal decision on the matter. The Israeli prime minister's reported decision comes after months of ceasefire talks between his government and Hamas with both sides accusing each other of repeated violations. Israel has also faced increased international pressure to reach a ceasefire deal as Hamas
Starting point is 00:54:54 releases videos showing emaciated Israeli hostages being held in Gaza, which the group said was the result of Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid to the war torn territory. This is something that has been kind of obvious that it was going to happen. I don't know what people thought, or you know, if people thought that there was another option, Israel is not going to allow Hamas to remain as the government. If there were an election, and in Gaza, Hamas would win still. So I feel like this is, there are people
Starting point is 00:55:31 that are gonna be up in arms about it, but I feel like this was kind of the, this was going to be the obvious end result anyways. Israel's gonna occupy that for at least five years to a decade. Well, maybe, but I think that more importantly, this is very symbolic in that it signals that there's an agreement between Netanyahu and President Trump that he will be, Netanyahu and Israel
Starting point is 00:55:52 will be supported in this maneuver. So there are, first of all, Hamas has unfortunately gotten quite a lot of support from the international heads of state, including Keir Starmer, including Canada, including Emmanuel Macron. And it's given them power and confidence that they can continue doing exactly what they're doing. Starmer made giving Palestine recognition contingent on Israel making changes to avoid that, made no such threats towards Hamas. Hamas can continue holding hostages, starving them, splashing that all over the media and doing whatever they're doing to subvert aid from GHF, from the UN. So there's no way that Hamas is going to stop. They have no reason to.
Starting point is 00:56:37 They have enough international support that they could continue doing this forever. The sad truth is they could avoid being occupied by Israel. They could avoid being rattled by the United States by simply releasing the remaining hostages and stopping this. It would restore food and aid to their citizens. Everything would be fine. They won't do that because they don't actually care about their own people.
Starting point is 00:56:58 And unfortunately, you're absolutely right. There is only one power, one governing power in Gaza, and it is Hamas, a bona fide terrorist organization. So unfortunately this is necessary. This is exactly what needs to happen. It's not going to be pretty. It's nice to read it that way. We're going to do it. We're going to get the hostage. It's going to be great. It's not going to look great. Already Israel is facing this just It's, you know, already Israel is facing this just enormous, you know, international pressure about this aid. I've never heard of an aggressed nation having to help the belligerent before, but that's
Starting point is 00:57:35 where we are. And the United States is there too. They're obviously the press is terrible for them. And it's not going to get a ton better with this. But unfortunately, I think that it's down to the last option. And it hit times up. There's just no more time left. If the Epstein files are in Gaza then I support it. I just need to say that for Phil. I don't think either side of this war cares about their people and I don't want our country to have anything to do with it. I'm so
Starting point is 00:57:57 tired of helping other countries right now. You ireland called for the un to Possibly go into israel to stop israel ireland ireland my homeland ireland called. Yeah the irish prime minister Who looks who looks I mean it's like a comedy show. He looks just like a leprechaun Like when you see it's it's you're a bigot It's not the first time that but Like he looks it looks like you this it's it's hilarious But they were calling for the UN to go into Israel who makes up the military might of the UN is it's not Ireland
Starting point is 00:58:38 Ireland have planes and tanks no Ireland is like still LARPing like they're oppressed in 2025. It's like, bro, the famine was like 300 years ago. I do have a people laugh so easily at Irish people as though they weren't committing horrible terrorist acts just like 30 years ago. It was pretty recent. But they weren't doing it to us.
Starting point is 00:58:57 They were blowing up members of the royal family in a rowboat. Things were really dark for a while. It was dark in Ireland. They're capable of a lot. That said, I don't think they have a lot of equipment. Yeah, and they're doing the LARPing with the ball of clavos and everything. I'm like, your average citizen there works at Microsoft now.
Starting point is 00:59:12 It's like, and you make like double the British salary. So it's like, all right, cool it, you know, O'Higgins or whatever his name is. But still, the idea that the United States should go in, again, because when you talk about the UN doing anything, what you're really idea that the United States should go in again because when you talk about the UN doing anything what you're Really saying is the United States because the United States is the is the actual muscle behind the UN Peacekeepers is not peacekeeping. Yeah majority are from like the Indian subcontinent. Well United States versus the UN is kind of a big deal, right? I don't think I don't think that he was talking about peacekeepers. That's who would that's who they that's the only option
Starting point is 00:59:42 They would have if the UN were to intervene It would be hilarious the UN peacekeepers are like the most incompetent military on planet earth like people join just to settle scores In in Israel like they wouldn't be just Slaughtering Jews like come on like wait for the rumble and censor If you like if you look at like if you look at the I mean isn't India where they have like They they have a fond opinion of Adolf Hitler because he was fighting the British? Yeah, they love Hitler, but they also love Israel.
Starting point is 01:00:10 They're very complicated. Oh, they love Israel too? Yeah, oh yeah. You go on Twitter and it'll be like the lion and it's like Israel's like a cub and then India behind it like, we got your back. What part of Twitter you on? I'm gonna take this moment to do my part here as a representative from the Foundation
Starting point is 01:00:27 for Defense of Democracies and we defend obviously Israel quite a lot as a beleaguered democracy that they are. America first is not America alone and I think that it's really important that we continue to recognize who our democratic allies are. We have important partners in the Middle East, but no more than Israel. If we don't help Israel do everything that we can, and they depend on us to do that, very obviously, they will be destroyed much sooner than you think.
Starting point is 01:00:53 And it's absolutely imperative for our own homeland security, our kitchen table issues, that we maintain the safety and security of our democratic ally in the Middle East. And I get that, but I stopped caring about other countries at this point after. You care about the US? I do, but that is also a failed country. Can you outline why?
Starting point is 01:01:13 Can you just unpack why it is that you say that it's so important for Israel to be, for the US to support Israel? And the reason I say this is because there's a lot of people specifically that are viewers that aren't particularly friendly to Israel and think along the lines of Shane that the US should not be worried about foreign countries. Yeah well so first of all you look at Israel on a geopolitical map that's surrounded by seven fronts depending on the day really that want to destroy them but
Starting point is 01:01:42 before if they get through Israel their next target is Westerners, and specifically the United States, particularly Iran at this particular moment. But let's think about the flag of the Houthis down there in Yemen literally says, destroy Israel and then destroy the US. That's their state flag. That's what it says on it. They are very serious about that. If Israel no longer exists,
Starting point is 01:02:06 if we no longer have the alliance of the IDF and of the extreme might and power of that army, then we have Iran with a nuclear weapon and they will launch it at us as soon as they're able to. And they're not the only ones. What would you say that the people that, what would you say to people that would push back on that and say,
Starting point is 01:02:24 the only reason that they hate the United States is because the United States supports Israel. It's not. And if Israel were to be destroyed. They would just stop? They would stop. That's the Osama Bin Laden thinking. He was shocked when we showed up at Tora Bora
Starting point is 01:02:38 and started blowing up Afghanistan after 9-11. That's not how it works. It's the same kind of thinking. They stop with Israel. You have to understand the ideal. We're going back to extreme ideology. It's the same thing, only this is a different ideology, different book. But their order that they believe is that they are supposed to reassure in the caliphate and destroy all the infidels. That means all the infidels. It starts with the Jews and it ends with everybody else.
Starting point is 01:03:08 And that includes, by the way, moderate Muslims. Remember the first place that he attacked, the first place that Osama bin Laden went to after he attacked the United States on 9-11 was Saudi Arabia to start bombing Arabs because they were hosting United States oil compounds and military in the country.
Starting point is 01:03:27 That will continue and without our strategic positioning and alliance with the military might of Israel, then we will be hurt and we will be hurt at home. First of all, our interests will be destroyed immediately and they will come find us across the ocean. Like from my perspective, it seems like we've backed Israel to a tee for the last 70, 80 years and our relationship with the Muslim world at large has just gotten consistently worse as every year has passed by. I would you well I'd push back on that to say that the Abraham Accords are kind of
Starting point is 01:03:58 flying the face of that. Yes, the one president who's actually done something to change that, to actually make a radical difference in the Middle East and for the better, has been Donald Trump. And he really, the idea of the Abraham Accords, the implementation of the Abraham Accords towards the end of his first term,
Starting point is 01:04:14 was the first giant step into a brand new Middle East where there was gonna be a lot more peace. Things obviously slowed down and changed and reversed over the four years following that. We're hopefully getting back to something where we can expand the Abraham Accords once again peace, things obviously slowed down and changed and reversed over the four years following that. We're hopefully getting back to something where we can expand the Abraham Accords once again and lean into our allies and create better allies. Peace is the goal.
Starting point is 01:04:33 The goal isn't just throwing money into never ending wars and people who hate us. The goal is to establish an everlasting peace in the region. That doesn't mean, you know, nation building. It doesn't mean us going in like we did in 2003 in Iraq and starting an entire new country that obviously was never going to work. It's got to be us understanding what works, how we can prop each other up,
Starting point is 01:04:56 where we can understand each other. And an ally doesn't have to be a perfect friend, but they do have to be a friend. My whole thing is I'm 40 now and my whole life You know when I was born I inherited a world of forever wars and it's been going on Consistently this whole time and I see my country is getting worse and worse So I feel like Israel can handle its own for a lot for now and we can focus on our country So we can try to get the thing back up on its feet
Starting point is 01:05:21 So and to like bounce off what he's saying to is just I don't really know if peace in the Middle East is like a priority for Americans whatsoever. So aside from the United States actually attacking the nuclear sites in Iran, what has the US done when it comes to Israel? Like we've given them weapons. A ton of weapons. We've given them weapons. Alent of weapons, we've given them weapons.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Allentier gives them their AI, helps with the AI lavender, which is, I've talked about that at length on the show. But what, when it comes to like the idea of the US being actively involved in combat or in war, like. But you have to think of war as different though. War is not gonna be the way we think of war from the past. War now is sending you everything we got. You know, our missiles, signing our rockets and sending them over there.
Starting point is 01:06:07 You know, like that to me is an issue when we should be like, we're sending war rockets to Ukraine or sending war and rockets to Israel. We're finding both sides to some of these wars forever. And I just see our country suffering deeply and we're in debt. They're asking us to pay them through PayPal and Venmo. I'm like, how can we be stretching ourselves so thin? And I understand the idea of having an ally, but it's been our ally for so many years and this threat of Iran going to bomb us,
Starting point is 01:06:36 it just doesn't seem to come to fruition. It always seems to be like a boogeyman. I think they've been saying, death to America forever. I understand that, I don't like it, but I also understand why they're saying it because we also destroyed their country, you know, many years ago with Kermit Roosevelt going in there and subverting their entire country. So I understand I don't like it. But I understand why they say it. I honestly my opinion, I don't
Starting point is 01:06:56 think they are going to do anything. And I also think they've had nukes for longer than we've probably willing to admit. We have other adversaries with nuclear weapons as well. Like this wouldn't be the first. Yeah, but we don't have another adversary that's going to hit the red button the second that it's ready to fire. And also the United States preventing Iran
Starting point is 01:07:14 from getting nukes isn't just about Iran. Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to have nukes any more than Israel does. Yeah. Qatar doesn't. And that's, because it's like what would the incentive possibly be for Iran to nuke the United States? So it's so they don't care. That's the difference. Like USS, I'm sorry, Russia cares. Russia doesn't want to be destroyed and whatever
Starting point is 01:07:36 like Medvedev said, then the Kremlin came back out and said, nevermind, we actually don't want thermonuclear war here. Like, please don't reposition your new don't reposition your subs. But that's not the case with Iran. Iran understands this in a very ideological way. And these guys really believe this. This isn't just something that they push out there for the press, for PR, be like, oh, we're very religious. We're clerics. They really actually believe this.
Starting point is 01:07:59 And they actually believe that it's worth them firing a nuclear weapon at the enemies with the threat of American might coming at them. If they're doing what they believe is the will of Allah what they're supposed to be doing. That's that's what is so terrifying. Gen Z really like Iran have Gen Z really doesn't have this have a sense. And I feel like Gen Z believes things in a similar
Starting point is 01:08:23 fashion to the way that Gen X believed them before 9-11. Like we heard about, you know, I'm 50 years old, so I'm Gen X, right? And I heard about, you know, religious fundamentalism, and I knew about the first attack on the World Trade Center, Ramsey Yousef in 1993, and they were, you know, they did it for religious reasons.
Starting point is 01:08:46 We didn't really believe that they believed the things they do believe. And this is an argument that I have, hold on, this is an argument that I have with Ian that I've had multiple times. Ian, his opinion is people are just people and they're all the same, and that's not true. And the way that Gen X believed about,
Starting point is 01:09:08 what Gen X believed about Islamic fundamentalism is what Gen Z believes about Islamic fundamentalism now. They don't believe, they actually believe it. And they really, really believe it. This isn't, I'm not making an argument about Islam because if it comes to Islamophobia, no one's more Islamophobic than me, trust me. Um, the prob, this is the problem though,
Starting point is 01:09:32 is there's millions and millions of Muslims pouring into Europe and America, so it's like, that should be, if we're trying to go to war with the Muslim world and Islam at large, Iran's the least of my worries. I'm worried about the millions of Muslims that are pouring into France and Germany and the United States, the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 01:09:46 It's like Iran, it just feels like we're shifting on the chairs on the Titanic. I think that's a really fair point. I mean, you should be worried about that. And that's not really an Islamophobic point. The point is that- It's for me. The point is that these immigration problems
Starting point is 01:10:01 and unfortunately, despite what's happened over the last four years with our border being completely open, these countries in Europe are facing something that's catastrophic, especially France, especially the United Kingdom, where there's literally parts of the country that you just can't even go to anymore.
Starting point is 01:10:17 And it's not because they're Muslim, it's because they're literally extremists and they were told that it's not a right, it's not a privilege, you've not a privilege, you deserved this. Like you are born with the right to live wherever you wanna live and you have no reason to assimilate, you don't have to be French, you don't have to be British,
Starting point is 01:10:36 you can just be extremists. I mean, those guys, the seven-seven bombers were born in the United Kingdom. I mean, this is not just an, it started with an immigration issue But it also became it's from this whole push of like Marxism leftism where we don't want to tell anybody that they're not us Like you don't have to be like us because oh, you know, everybody's okay It's like but actually that's the problem when people don't want your culture
Starting point is 01:10:59 They will destroy it to bring in their own culture I guess another issue I have is how you define an ally. Because I understand the barbarism of some of these other countries. But Israel is also barbaric in their own way, in a modern way, where they spy on us. They've been caught spying on us. I think that's not good, not a friend. And if Netanyahu were a governor.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Everybody spies on everybody all the time. Yeah, I know. And I don't like it. And if Netanyahu were a governor in this country, we would chastise him like we chastise Cuomo or Hokel or Newsome, because he was as deranged and barbaric with the vaccine during lockdowns as they were. And I just think that's completely anti-democratic.
Starting point is 01:11:38 As I'm kind of going back to like, to be an ally doesn't mean you have to be a perfect friend. You just have to be a friend. And certainly we can criticize the politics of Israel. They're very leftist in many, many ways. But the fact of the matter is they are still a real democracy in a place where that just isn't a thing. And that's very important.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Again, we can tear down Netanyahu. We can tear down their COVID positions. We can tear down the fact that they have like the largest gay pride parade, whatever you want to do, that's fine. I don't need to live there. I don't I just need to know that I'm safe at home because that country is safe. Because their military is in place. And that requires us support both financially and I hear you I just don't feel like them. Their safety equals our safety here.
Starting point is 01:12:21 So, I mean, enough about well, not enough,, but like back to the kind of the point of it, the idea that, or what we started with, the idea of Israel governing the Gaza Strip. That was the situation up until 2005, was it, when they pulled out? Right? Yeah, 2006. Hamas versus Fatah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:44 Yeah, so Israel was the governing authority and they pulled not only did they pull the military out, but they pulled actual Jewish people that had homes in the Gaza Strip. They pulled them out completely. And that was the beginning of essentially 20 years of rockets into Israel, 20 years of there were suicide bombings for a while they those chilled out in the past, you know, the past, I guess 10 years or so. But there was there that was the was the first in the father was it was
Starting point is 01:13:13 that was the second in the father is in 2006 is when that started, right? Yes. Yeah. So it like this kind of the idea that that Israel would go back to that after 20 years of rockets, 20 years of terrorist attacks, and then October 7th. I mean, was there a sense from anyone that Gaza was going to be governed by the Palestinians again? Yeah, I think that was the hope.
Starting point is 01:13:40 I mean, I think that a lot of this like ceasefire talk early on was that this wasn't going to be necessary. You know, that Hamas would be like, okay, you've killed enough of us like we're done. Here's your hostages back We're really sorry about October 7th. Like please leave us alone I think that that was at some point like a true hope that and then we would give power back to the Gazans to like Bring somebody else in besides Hamas there was talk of the Palestinian the PL or the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, but There was talk of the Palestinian, the PL, or the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank,
Starting point is 01:14:04 but they don't have a whole lot of power. If I understand correctly, they get murdered by the Palestinians on the regular. There's no chance of any kind of fair installment of power in Gaza right now. So at this point, time's up, what's the alternative? There isn't one. I mean, either that or we just let,
Starting point is 01:14:22 I mean, Israel just lays down and says, all right, kill the rest of the hostages and just keep bombing us, I guess. I mean, that's we just let them in Israel just lays down and says all right kill the rest of the hostages and Just keep bombing us. I guess I mean, that's the only other choice. I mean, I yeah, I guess I guess so I like I said, I kind of figured that that was gonna be the situation because you know, they had allowed the Gazans to or the Palestinians to to to be the authority there and you got a terrorist organization in charge. I think they really hoped that it was gonna work out that first time and it just clearly didn't. Yeah, they underestimated the IQ rankings in Gaza.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Unfortunately, it's like 80. Yeah, like the West Bank and Gaza, it's like two completely different stock of Palestinians. I could go into that. But in short, yeah, when the split happened, the West Bank kept a lot of the academics and there's like a sizable Christian population there was a sizable Christian population and then Gaza Unfortunately with what happened the the stock there is not built for democracy by any stretch of the imagination
Starting point is 01:15:17 They're built for fighting which is you know, that's how a lot of the world is and that's it is what is it? You can't blanket democracy across the entire world. It truly is amazing to me, like having just recently like been in a car driving from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, like it is a very small country. When you look at the small country and then you look at how small the Gaza strip is and just its ability to produce this level of violence
Starting point is 01:15:39 and disruption to the world is truly remarkable. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, yeah, that's kind of the big problem and disruption to the world is truly remarkable. Yeah, yeah, so I mean, that's kind of the big problem is there's no partner for peace, so to speak. I mean, you also look at it from the Palestinian perspective of like, if you had this territory for 2000 years or whatnot, and then people rolled up backed by colonial powers and created a country there, you'd probably get radicalized too, but that's not
Starting point is 01:16:05 a justification obviously for holding hostages or killing innocent civilians. Yeah. No, and that's not even really what, I mean, yes, they use that term like settlers, but most of this extremism begets extremism begets extremism. Right. Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not endorsing that view. That was actually like a recent like adoption that they were like, you know what, we were here first.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Yeah, yeah, I'm not endorsing that view. It was about like the infidel. Like it is really more about, you know, like these extreme philosophers of Islam, Islamism, like, you know, Saeed Khattab from Egypt who were like, basically just everything anti Islamist is evil and wrong. And that's where this all started. And now it's like, oh, the settlers, but.
Starting point is 01:16:44 When was that? Outside of Europe, like that guy it was like born in the 20s I mean he started but these are the books that they read I mean these are the philosophies that they have by I mean because outside of Europe until like 150 200 years ago nationalism what is it wasn't even really a consideration anywhere broadly speaking yeah I'm like the Far East so like we've tried to export well I don't know if we tried but we've exported a method of conceptualizing a nation that doesn't come inherently to large-
Starting point is 01:17:08 So it was all about tribalism then? Yeah, to a degree. I mean, I don't know the intricacies of Palestinian anthropology in the 1500s, but the way the Ottomans governed is it was very tribal. They kind of just- Oh, I'm sorry, okay, so you're talking about nationalism in the Middle East.
Starting point is 01:17:22 Right, yeah, yeah, so it's like, I mean, the way that those those societies are structured was not how they are now where it's like European sense we have a flag you pledge allegiance to that flag. You have an anthem you go to the Olympics. That's a very modern That's a very modern way of conceptualizing a nation. Yeah, the fact conceptualizing a nation in and of itself is a model Ironically a really good example of a nationalized Arab country was Iraq in 2003. Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah. So all right, we're going to jump to this story here from the Post Millennial. The New York Post to expand West launched California Post in early twenty twenty six.
Starting point is 01:18:02 The New York Post is heading to the West Coast and would be launching the California Post in early 2026. Robert Thompson, CEO of the outlet's parent company News Corp, said in a statement, Los Angeles and California surely need a daily dose of the Post as an antidote to the jaundiced, jaded journalism that is sadly proliferated. We are at a pivotal moment for the city and the state. There is no doubt that the Post will play a crucial role in engaging and enlightening readers
Starting point is 01:18:28 who are starved for serious reporting and puckish wit. I think this will be great because the New York Post has the most wonderful headlines and to see them coming from not only the New York Post but from the California Post, I think it'd be great. What do you guys think? I agree. I wish I had something to push back on, but I've been excited about this all day. I'm surprised it took them this long, but it really shows how much the market for this
Starting point is 01:18:58 has grown on the West Coast. The amount of people fed up on the West Coast is at a fever pitch. And again, I think that a lot of people are just kind of stuck there, like they can't move, you know, across the country. And so they don't. And I think that, you know, they've put up with a lot. I mean, especially, you know, the crime stuff, the no jail sentences, like putting people out in no bail and that kind of thing. It's just nuts at people getting their houses broken into in Beverly Hills. And, and then this, you know, white-toothed fool Gavin Newsom
Starting point is 01:19:30 going around. I mean, yeah, if we thought the New York Post headlines are good, wait till they get access to like, California. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. These headlines would be good.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Oh, yeah. They're going to Aero on. They're just shooting up. Downtown LA, they've got Skid Row up there on the front page. This is going to be sick. It's said they're actually going to tryero on they're just like shooting up downtown LA. They've got skid row up there It said they're actually gonna try to do Mars as well, so you might get headlines from Mars, New York Mars post yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm here for it. I think that'll be nice I mean is is this is this is this a comment on the state of publishing out of the state of California or is this? You know is the is the market
Starting point is 01:20:07 Calling for this do you think the post is just kind of jumping in saying hey? I think we can get some more journalism here I think there's a big restructuring happening right now of publishing publishing is dying dead Maybe and it's trying to find its way back We're seeing like Larry Ellison's son trying to buy the free press for 250 million dollars Was it really I've seen Tim Dillon talk about the episode was hilarious But uh, it doesn't you know, people are trying to make moves in media and they should I mean, it's important the I just hope They don't use AI writers
Starting point is 01:20:35 I hope that post doesn't embrace because you know, it's gonna happen. How many articles have you read that are that are AI? I'm sure you know, I'm sure that you've you've read plenty of I know I have and they're terrible They're bet you read some great ones that you don't even know. I'm sure they are I'm sure cuz I'm looking at like, you know, it's terrible little articles that are three paragraphs I don't know cuz it opens up with sure. Here's an article about Yes, I don't know whose opinion on AI I find more objectionable yours or a lot And we saw you have a healthy fear of it. Whereas a lot thinks that it's just a gimmick And at least you have a healthy fear of it. Whereas Allad thinks that it's just a gimmick.
Starting point is 01:21:05 Allad's like, oh, it's just like the dot com bubble. It's like, yeah, the dot com bubble was a bubble, but like the internet is still here and it's a good thing, so like there was substance to it. I don't know if it's gonna be as apocalyptic as I initially thought, but it's gonna be bad. Yeah. I think, like I do agree with Allad saying
Starting point is 01:21:24 they're good at branding. Okay. okay AI people are very good at branding but you're we're seeing people losing their jobs to AI yeah and it's definitely gonna come for publishing so hopefully not because I see like there's a veteran reporter you're working on this and hopefully they have human that's your reporter are to D2 auto pen yeah the interesting too is it's not that like there's a lot of new publications. Like there still is an appetite for digital media. It's the fact that they're trying print. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:50 I'm like, oh man, there's someone here that really- That's great. They do it in New York and they do it successfully. You know, I wrote an op-ed in the post maybe three or four months ago and I sent friends out because I wasn't in New York and I sent friends out to go get me some copies to save and like they couldn't find them like I'm sure because of my office But it's amazing like people it's almost like, you know novelty or something
Starting point is 01:22:14 I love it people like enjoy it having the the smell of the ink and the paper I had to go to like eight different bodegas when the Trump mugshot came out. Yeah Yeah, that like it's like It is kind of turning into a bit of a. I think print's having a thing right now. I love the County Highway, about this Walter Kearns publishing. It's a newspaper, and you can only get it as a newspaper.
Starting point is 01:22:35 It's not online, and it's amazing. I had a story in there a year ago, but you get it in the mail. It's just amazing to have a paper and beautiful written stories, and it's incredible. I think it comes out every two months, but I see that happening. They're on a country-wide tour right now with the paper. It's just amazing to have a paper and beautiful written stories and it's incredible I think comes out every two months, but I see that happen. They're like on a countrywide tour right now with the paper It's incredible. I see more the people trying to do that. Yeah Yeah, there's like a bunch of these like lifters on Twitter that have like rebuilt the man's world magazine
Starting point is 01:22:57 Yeah, they sent out a big glossy man's world magazine like every three months and then the op-eds are just written by like full-blown like schizophrenics Now I'm interested. I want this. Yeah but it's like really awkward putting your coffee table because it'll be like nudity on the cover. It's like this it's it's actually much more hard to explain this is porn. It's more complicated. It's not porn. Don't read the article. So I mean I think I don don't know how much copy matters. We're talking about AI inside of this thing. It's the headlines, right?
Starting point is 01:23:30 And I think that the fact that the stories are being written is more important than the way they're written these days. And I think that they've identified that at the New York Post, and they're doing very well with that. Yeah. Do you think they have a lot of AI writers right now? I don't know. I wouldn't accuse them of that.
Starting point is 01:23:44 I think that's low down dirty. So, you know, who knows they're cheap. So, you know, what papers do you use? Single them out right now. I do know the AI flags now because I just I've like looked them up I actually asked AI what the AI flags are. Yeah Double-dash is a big one, which actually stinks for me because I actually love the double dash. I use the M dash all the time. I love the M dash, and I don't think that. Sometimes a comma isn't appropriate.
Starting point is 01:24:13 They're coming after you. They are coming after me because I've been feeding it. If you use the M dash, the AI is using it because we use the M dash. Yeah, exactly. It's a beautiful punctuation. It copied our style so that it would sound real. I think the Zoomers have found the work around because there's
Starting point is 01:24:26 particular emojis that you use in a certain context that AI can because it doesn't have a soul. It could just never really figure out entirely. So like when I journalists like when I just tastefully drop like a like a crying emoji on the end of it. It's like if you if you're a human being, you know what that means and AI can never truly unlock the meaning of that. There's a deeper steep.
Starting point is 01:24:44 It's a yeah, it's actually really deep. So you should be tears right now The post millennia went on to say as the post is expanding its reach other outlets have had to cut back CNN laid off hundreds of employees in January and in June the company was reportedly expecting to additional layoffs on the horizon as parent company Warner Brothers Discovery announces corporate breakup in his parent company Warner Brothers, Discovery announces corporate breakup. Other outlets such as Vox Media, HuffPost, and NBC News have seen layoffs in recent months.
Starting point is 01:25:10 So this is something that it is actually surprising that the Times is gonna be expanding in an era, I'm sorry, the Post is gonna be expanding in an age when clearly there isn't really an appetite for at least the legacy news, right? You know, I mean, if CNN, do you think that this is a symptom of people not having an appetite for the legacy news or do you think that it's the news
Starting point is 01:25:36 that those outlets were providing? Do you think that people are sick and tired of the left leaning bent on it? I think it's, I don't even think it's that. I think that we're almost giving them too much credit there. I think that one of the things, like I have a TV in my office. I watch it constantly because my job is putting people
Starting point is 01:25:53 on TV to talk about stuff. And so I'm just seeing like what stories are being covered, what's going on. And I watch Fox a lot, you know, I know Fox and I, you know, I understand their system, but, but I flip back and forth to like other channels forth to other channels and I'm not getting news. That's the problem. I want actual news and I understand it's an opinion.
Starting point is 01:26:12 There's never been unbiased journalism. That's a myth, but then it's like, CNN is so, they're very emotional about whatever's happening and it's like, there's big news happening and I wanna hear about this hurricane and like, I can't get it and it's, you know, I'm not trying to, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:28 I appreciate the work we do at CNN, but I do know that they came in behind Hallmark and HGTV in the last Adweek ratings report, so. Wow. Brutal, brutal. They're clearly doing, you know, they're clearly not doing something right. They used to be the name in 24-7 News, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:44 that was was if you wanted to know what's going on, you turn on CNN and they have really lost that connection. It's been a lot of the airports too. They lost the airports. I mean, that should have been the death now. And I, you know, I wish them well. I really hope, I think just like, you know, I, I hope that the democratic party gets their act together because I think that we are stronger when we have two strong political parties working against. I think that- By get their act together,
Starting point is 01:27:09 you mean stop pushing for socialism and focus more on like- That they become a real competitor. I feel like, first of all, conservatives get soft when they don't have an adversary that's actually up to snuff. But the same thing with media. I think that everybody's better
Starting point is 01:27:24 when they have actual competition. Everybody has to do their best. Everybody has to find that footing in the news and continue getting new viewers and finding new audiences. So it's not what you wanna see. The other thing is, speaking specifically about cable news, people are cutting cords. You can't stop that.
Starting point is 01:27:45 Nobody's getting cable back once they lose it. So if you can't figure out what your like streaming option is, or how people are going to get your product without having a cable subscription, then you're already way behind. And the last election show that podcasts and sub stacks and personal indie media dominated these guys. That's why Trump and Vance used those platforms to help get elected. And Kamala failed at that. She might have paid Call Her Daddy podcast for a whole fake set that didn't work. They hardly got the numbers. Trump's numbers on the Rogan podcast are insane. And her numbers on the Call Me Daddy, whatever it's called, I think they didn't break a million. Maybe they did by now, but.
Starting point is 01:28:26 I'll never forget the guy who ditched her interview because she said bacon was a spice and he was so offended by the hot take. It was a hot take guy. Yeah, yeah. And he just canceled it. It was like a presidential candidate. Oh yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:28:38 Yeah, I do remember that. That's that bad. Yeah, the competition thing has really slept on too because that's the reason late nights suck so much now because Colbert got canceled, they're all showing up. Like, we stand with you, Steve. It was like back in the day, Leno would have killed Letterman if he had the opportunity.
Starting point is 01:28:52 For sure, for sure. He would have hired a hit on him if he jumped him in ratings. Bring that back. All you had to do was be funny. Like, oh, we stand with you. It's like, oh, we're brave. It's like, this is a late night comedy show.
Starting point is 01:29:03 This is not about who's bravest. I It's like, this is a late night comedy show. Like, this is not about like, who's bravest. I don't need to turn on like late night comedy show to get, you know, my political opinion. And there's nothing brave about doing a TV show. There's something lazy about not writing jokes, however. That's why there's no competition, because there's no competition anywhere. Like, you go watch the gymnastics now,
Starting point is 01:29:19 and they're like friends and hugging each other. Like, they used to snap legs to get on stage back in the day. And now, what are we doing now? We're all on the same team. Bring back Nancy Kerrigan. Yeah, bring back a little Kanye Harding days. Yeah, we're not on the same team. That's why the UFC.
Starting point is 01:29:31 We're in a Wheaties box. That's why the UFC has such great ratings, because it's actual competition. They actually, even the guys that, there are some guys that show each other respect and stuff like that, but they're still trying to punch the other person's face off their head. You know?
Starting point is 01:29:47 And I think you see it, the same thing in football, and in some sports, you know. WNBA. Yeah, the WNBA. Well, there's only a couple girls that get attacked in the WNBA. But when it comes to at least mostly men's sports, it's actual competition. But even still,
Starting point is 01:30:07 in the regular NBA, the viewership is down. I assume that it's the same with the NFL, but the Super Bowl was really well viewed. Last year, it was still a big deal. So it's not ubiquitous. But yeah, I think that the fact that there's a whole lot of kumbaya and in everything is is Actually detrimental to people that are viewers because viewers want to see that competition they and they want it to be real They don't want it to be manufactured. Mm-hmm. So that's very sad. Yeah Also, I want more segments for like people disagree with each other Like I feel like that's fine. And people are, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:30:47 I didn't really book a lot of people. I used to book on Fox. I didn't really book a lot of people that were like, now first of all, we did try to book some people that absolutely just wouldn't have anything to do with our network or our show. So there was that problem as well. But I think putting together this person has his opinion
Starting point is 01:31:02 and this one has the opposite, it doesn't have to be a bloodbath. Like it can just be like a civil conversation. I mean, we do that here. That's where the YouTube shows have like picked up that entire market. Cause he had like what Crossfire back in the day was huge. Oh yeah, Crossfire was great.
Starting point is 01:31:13 But now it's the culture war with Tim Pool. Yeah, or look at Piers Morgan. Or Piers Pia. Piers Morgan, I mean that is one step away from Jerry Springer, right? They're not in the same, they're not in the same building so they can't throw chairs at each other. They shouldn't be.
Starting point is 01:31:24 It would be kind of fun. But legitimately, like the culture war, Tim Poole's culture war, but even around this table, like we don't all agree on everything. I mean, me and Shane will go back and forth. On the moon. On anything. At least we agree the moon is there.
Starting point is 01:31:40 There we go. That's fair. That's fair. We agree that the moon is there. What the moon is, that's where the difference That's fair, that's fair. We agree that the moon is there. What the moon is, that's where the difference comes in. You can tune into Inverted World Live tonight at 10 o'clock to find out.
Starting point is 01:31:52 What, you're gonna find out what the moon is? Yeah, we're gonna. We're debunking the moon. Yeah, I'm gonna pull it up on Wikipedia tonight. Great news. That's my source of information, Phil. Wikipedia, that's great news. Excuse me. I'm afraid source of information, Phil. Wikipedia, that's great news. Excuse me.
Starting point is 01:32:05 I'm afraid to ask a little bit. I think the moon is actually a ball of rock that probably originated with Earth, something smashing to the Earth. Whereas I think Shane thinks it's hollow? I don't really know. I think it could be a mothership for an ancient breakaway civilization.
Starting point is 01:32:24 I think Earth is only over a little over 6 thousand years old. So six thousand. Okay. Yeah, I mean God made earth in a day, you know, you know in seven days, so I stick with that I'm a Bible thumper technically made earth in a day Well earth but like there was seven days there creation all the other stuff Yes, right and there's people who disagree on what a day means and all that stuff, but I'm pretty strict now, in my mind, with 6,000, a little over 6,000. Okay.
Starting point is 01:32:51 So the moon being a rock that hits Earth millions of years ago is just all made up to me. Okay. Fake time. So we disagree. Gotcha. There you go. But he'll...
Starting point is 01:33:01 We're cool. Yeah, we can get along. We can get along. Yeah, we don't need the moon. We don't need to agree on the moon. All right, we're cool. Yeah, we can get along we can get along. We don't need the moon We don't we don't need we don't need to agree on the moon All right, let's see. We've got one more last bit here alo just for for for laughs for for shits and giggles We're gonna go to a video that Alex Stein put up. He was hazing MSNBC and it is Absolutely wonderful. So you guys will enjoy this we just watched the speaker gavel out with a whole lot of anger.
Starting point is 01:33:28 Kelly, here's the state of play. Here's the NBC. So how are you? And that's NBC. So I talked to you for a second. And that's NBC. So can I talk to you for a second? Sometimes this happens and we understand that that can happen.
Starting point is 01:33:41 And while we love free speech, we're going to keep control here. So, uh, so Ryan thank you Shaq thank you it's a volatile story that will be following it and apparently not only Shaq cleaned up. Stay with us here because Ryan has no clear the set as we would like to say the gentleman moved on Ryan, let me turn back to you. Nicely handled there. Can you give us an update on,
Starting point is 01:34:11 as you were walking us through this? We'll all take a breath there. Um. Maybe not. Okay. Go ahead, Ryan. See, hold on one second. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:22 Okay. We're just gonna pull the plug there playing out in real time is high yeah there's a whole lot of anger here as you can see so we're gonna cut to a more fair enough fair enough and we recognize people are expressing their views and we're there to cover it you do that job move on with our audience. Thanks for your patience with all of that. I wish Alex ran really quick to the other screen. He's just lampooning you guys.
Starting point is 01:34:52 She's just awesome. She's like so smug about being diplomatic. All day, you know, mop up the situation. I think my number one comment, like having been someone who worked in a control room for a long time, is that she handled it very badly. I mean, just just very heckish. We believe in free speech. Get rid of that.
Starting point is 01:35:10 We're in control. I don't know if that was a miscommunication with her in the control room. And also the fact that there was not enough people standing around their on-air talent to stop him from being harassed on air is pretty sad too. I just like the guy was like, this is my moment. He's like, oh, we're cutting away? No, we're not. Actually, here's what's going on. Here pretty sad too. I just like the guy was like, this is my moment. He's like, oh, we're cutting away? No, we're not. Actually, here's what's going on.
Starting point is 01:35:26 Here's the situation. The comedic timing, like speaking of, jokes are hard to write, but he nailed it with that. It was great. Yeah. All right, we're gonna go to your super chat. So smash the like button, share the show with all your friends.
Starting point is 01:35:39 Head on over to timcast.com, become a member so you can join us on our Discord, and head over to rumble.com where you can join and watch our after show, which we'll be going to in about 30 or so minutes, but for right now, we are going to read your Super Chats. Let's see, Peter Gohawk says, since the left likes to change definitions,
Starting point is 01:36:05 can we change the meaning of they them to fat or ugly, mentally unstable person? I mean, we can try. I don't know that it's going to stick, but we can try. Let me see here. Oh, wait. That was the wrong button. There we go.
Starting point is 01:36:24 OK. Let we go. Okay. Let's see. Rage LB says, Tate cast is best cast. You've got fans Tate. Let's go fans. Dude, my mom's gonna be stoked. You are stellar. You're great at your job Tate. Thank you sir.
Starting point is 01:36:40 And they wanna let you know. Unless they're talking about a different Tate. Do you know how hard it is to be named Tate in the Andrew Tate era? Cause like I get on Twitter and they're like, Tate is, he's a child trafficker, he's the worst person ever. I'm like, what did I do?
Starting point is 01:36:51 And then I'm like, oh, that guy, yeah, I forgot my bad. Yeah, you know. Yeah, sad stuff. Let's see. Thank you. What's this? BH is that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:01 What is? BH says, hi team, would you consider eaching either Joel Jamal or Craig Kelly from Australia to talk about the beginning of social credit scores What they call under 16 ban Tim had a bad take a few days ago Look, man Everybody has a take that you're gonna call bad at some point, but I I don't I Don't think we would be avert to interviewing them but that's a It's not a question that I'm actually in a position to answer so
Starting point is 01:37:33 We don't even we don't call them bad takes more. They're called L takes. It's an update to the vocabulary Get with the program Tim. Only has w takes. So I don't believe that Let's see. Oh that there Now they disappeared. No. No rants? I... What's up, Rumble?
Starting point is 01:37:50 I think the rants have disappeared. I guess so. Let's see. Let's go to this one. All right. Robert Bradbury says, We shouldn't arrest them. We shouldn't kick them out.
Starting point is 01:38:04 If they don't show up, their vote should be considered a no vote. Well, I assume you're talking about in Texas. And I mean, that's not a bad idea, right? Yeah, I think most actual state legislatures do work that way, but unfortunately, Texas's constitution is not written that way, so. The Lone Star state likes to do it.
Starting point is 01:38:24 There's gonna have to be some more work to get to that point. I agree, so. The Lone Star State likes to do this. There's gonna have to be some more work to get to that point. I agree, strongly. I think if you abscond, then you've cast your vote. Like, that's it. They literally ask for this to happen because of the way it's structured, like you said. They don't even have a mechanism for it.
Starting point is 01:38:37 I probably need to read why this is the case, but it's ridiculous. And then the fact that the floor's two thirds, you're just asking for this to happen. I just vacate the seats. You don't even need to rest them, yeah rest him yeah I get him I think that's a great idea like you know Abbott should just say okay you're all fired yeah we'll get you people spend a bunch of money on the election like yeah yeah I mean it's
Starting point is 01:38:58 truly despicable I mean to be elected to these positions and then to be this way yeah you know and what how is this serving the people of Texas? Right. Yeah, they're just trying to score brownie points with the media. Yeah, flying off to other states. There's nothing to do with Texas. And if you're going to at least go to somewhere nice, Illinois. I mean, I'd be offended as a constituent.
Starting point is 01:39:15 I'm like, you think Illinois is better than Galveston? What are we doing here? I dare you to move there. If they're in Hawaii, it'd be like, well, you know. I mean, I get it, I guess. Well, Illinois or New York, both of them should be handsome. Yeah, what, are you going to hang out in Rochester? Is that a big protest?
Starting point is 01:39:29 Poughkeepsie, they're going to go to The Chance. Yeah. They're going to go check out some shows at The Chance, get kicked in the face. Yeah, yeah. I've had some friends who had broken noses at The Chance. I've been kicked in the head at The Chance. During Converge.
Starting point is 01:39:42 Head walking will commence during Converge. During the saddest day. On that note,. I'm gonna head out to my show all right Thank you guys so much. Hey, that was fun. See you guys. Love you so next time inverted world live tonight 10 o'clock p.m. That's for p.m.. Right now right we are Will be live till midnight taking phone calls Phone lines will be open at 1030 if you got a weird story give us a call and we're gonna talk about a blob Moving towards a girl what's going on with that moon. And the moon, I'll tell you guys about the moon.
Starting point is 01:40:07 Let me know. See you guys. See ya. All right. Let's see. James Widenhoft says, uncap the house and restore the limit of no more than 30K constituents per US rep.
Starting point is 01:40:20 This would result no more jurymandering and no more need for massive campaign funds All you will do is talk to your neighbors and get elected Well, I don't know if that's actually what would happen. It sounds good in theory But I don't know that you that it would be good to have thousands of house members Because if it's 30,000 people. We would have like, would be 100,000. Yeah, it'd be like something like,
Starting point is 01:40:49 it would literally look like the Senate in Star Wars, you know, those flying. Whatever I remember from government classes, the reason we landed on the number we did is because that's as many desks as we could possibly fit in there. Yeah, it made sense. It's almost annoying sometimes to go back
Starting point is 01:41:03 and like realize the wisdom of our founding fathers. Like, you know, it's like, that is frustrating that they came up with that. But it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, one of the things that people, I understand people's frustration with the government, right? Like, there's the argument, oh, nothing ever gets done, etc, etc. And a lot of people don't realize that that's actually by design, or they forget that that's by design. Everyone says they don't like Congress except for their own Congress person. You know, Congress has a ridiculously low approval rating,
Starting point is 01:41:39 but then you ask individuals, do you like your Congress person? And overwhelmingly, they're like, oh yeah yeah, mine's good. Yeah. So, yes, you don't like Congress because Congress doesn't get anything done. Most of the time, that's because Congress isn't supposed to be getting the things you want to get far too much done. Yeah, in terms of these like omnibus bills that are full of stuff we don't even know about that. Or did you know
Starting point is 01:42:01 this? And I'm gonna have to fact check. But I heard from a smart person that Ted Cruz included that the space shuttle that's kept at Udvar-Hazy in DC or Dallas is, he put it in the big, beautiful bill that that was gonna be moved to Texas, like nobody noticed. That's awesome. Just as a point of contention.
Starting point is 01:42:22 It reminds me like- That's our shuttle. Yeah, that's like what France did in the Treaty of Versailles where they're like, by the way, champagne can only be made in champagne, it's just white wine. I'm like, they slipped that in the last second. I didn't know that was in the Treaty of Versailles. That is, that's hilarious. So Ted Cruz is moving like France right now,
Starting point is 01:42:40 what's going on? I'm not sure if you're really rattled on my thing. I mean, but the point that I'm making is like, people want to see federal laws that should actually be state laws. And really, this is a point that we make regularly, like if you focus on your local reps and your state, then you'll have far more tangible results
Starting point is 01:43:00 than if you try to get things done at a federal level. There is a place for federal legislation, but it's probably not what you're thinking about. And if we had a government that was actually limited by the Constitution, where that didn't abuse the commerce clause didn't abuse the necessary and proper clause, and actually protected, you know, your rights that are alleged to be protected in the Bill of Rights, you know, your rights that are alleged to be protected in the Bill of Rights, you know, you could have more effective government at the state level, and people would
Starting point is 01:43:33 probably be happier with the results that they get. But people think that there should be the same laws in California as in New York, and as in Florida. Florida and that's that just doesn't make any sense. You know, but trying to convince people of that is, you know, like herding cats. It really is. And it's scary because you know how often the power in the you know, and on Capitol Hill changes and one year you can have lots of Democrats who want these crazy labor bills that are harmful to you know contractors and
Starting point is 01:44:07 You know like the pro-act which fortunately hasn't happened yet, but it's always looming over our heads and you know We saw it happen in California. It's a disaster But happening at the federal level is a whole new level of terrifying and and subverts the will of the people again, so All right, let's see subverts the will of the people again. So. All right, let's see. Hale Gailey says, Luis Rossman did a YouTube series on the
Starting point is 01:44:34 dysfunction of New York City real estate. It's an over leveraged house of cards that is one bad quarter away from collapse. I mean, that could probably be said about a few different industries. But I guess that would be something that people have to have to look into and make their make their own calls. SA Federale says Shane literally created the resurrection of Costa Coast within the Tim Kast family. That's exactly the point. It's great. Y'all motherfuckers better at least be catching the reruns that she is enthralling coast to coast is great. There's a lot of
Starting point is 01:45:12 times where all that remains had long overnight drives after shows while we were still touring in vans and we would be listening to coast to coast am and all he was a huge huge huge fan. So if he was driving, you could guarantee that art Bell was on and coast to coast AM was going for for the late night drive. So and and yes, that's exactly what Shane has done with inverted world live and you should definitely go check it out after the show if you if you haven't checked it out already. It's a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:45:45 And Shane and Brando are great hosts. Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear armed countries in Europe are becoming Muslim majority countries? Well, I mean, France and the UK are the only countries in Europe with nukes, I believe, right? So, I mean. Most Islamic countries, though.
Starting point is 01:46:09 Well, yeah, they are the most. France, like legit, by, I think, 2055, will have not a Muslim majority, but a Muslim-descended majority. Yeah, I mean. Or plurality, sorry. It's still not run by the Islamic Republic of Iran. Yeah, no, no, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:23 But it is crazy that, like, you have to sit there and think, okay, so maybe in the next 50 years it's something we have to consider. I mean, it is something. The French are gonna be. It's a legitimate, it's something legitimate. I think there are many, many years from having fingers on the nukes.
Starting point is 01:46:37 Oh, we gotta give the evidence. Oh. How many is many, many years? And honestly, is something that's many, many years away something that we can afford to actually just say, oh, it's not a problem? I don't think that nukes will ever not be a problem. I mean, this is one of the greatest conundrums
Starting point is 01:46:56 that has befallen us since the invention of the nuclear weapon, right? They're always going to be a problem. Anybody having them is technically a problem. The only thing that keeps it safe is the fact that many people have them and there's the mutual self-destruction issue. That is the outlier with a nation like Iran having it is that they don't seem to be concerned about being destroyed themselves, which is very dangerous. The same thing, the same reason that a suicide bomber is much more dangerous
Starting point is 01:47:23 than a normal criminal. You can't threaten them with self-harm. You know, it doesn't bother them. Let's see, Neglectful Sausage says, Chinese equals collection of ethnic groups, Hispanic equals collection of ethnic groups, Hispanics own Latin America, Chinese own China. If Hittites are a collection of ethnic groups. Whites.
Starting point is 01:47:44 What? It's whites. Oh, it's whites. Oh. Hittites are a collection of ethnic group. What? It's whites. Oh, it's whites. Oh, it's whites. It's whites. Why is it still a two? Whites are a collection of ethnic groups. Why can't they own USA?
Starting point is 01:47:54 Well, because the United States wasn't founded that that way or it hasn't developed that way. There are people that make the argument that because it was founded by wasps, that it should only be Wasps. But I think that that that ship has sailed a long, long time ago. So the option was never really there. You know, yeah, that's a, you know, I think that there's a big difference between belief and secure borders and, and
Starting point is 01:48:22 immigration processes that ensure that the people who are here want to be here and want to be part of the experiment, want to be part of the project. And it's a completely different thing than choosing an ethnicity. This reminds me a lot of the Soviet era cards trying to figure out people's ethnicity based on their chin shape and stuff like that. It's not nice. Who wants to live with that much hate in their heart? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:47 And also like Chinese as an ethnic, or collection of ethnic groups isn't true because the Han Chinese run everything. Right, exactly. Have you ever, I mean, have you ever asked them if they're a mono, like ethnic group? They're absolutely not. Hispanics hate each other.
Starting point is 01:48:59 You ever ask a Puerto Rican what they think about Mexican? Oh. Have you ever accidentally called somebody from Brazil Latino or Latino? Oh my gosh. Yeah, you ask a Dominican what they think about,. Oh, I accidentally called somebody from Brazil Latino or what? Yeah, you ask a Dominican what they think about like yeah like a Mexican person and you're gonna hear like slurs You've never heard in your yeah, yeah, I mean it like it hit. Yeah So yeah, and you know as far as the United States like the United like I'm probably The most restrictive, you know, I have the most restrictive
Starting point is 01:49:24 You know immigration policies that are that are my favorite. I think we should shut immigration down for a decade. No immigrants except for O one visas and let the people that are here assimilate. And I think that everybody that's here illegally should be deported like everybody. And that's about as extreme as you get on, you know, immigration policy. But even I don't think that, oh, we
Starting point is 01:49:49 shouldn't allow people in based on race or anything like you definitely can disallow people based on ideology. Like, I don't think that we should let I think that it's correct that the United States says we don't let communists in, right? like if you don't look at things like private property as property rights as sacred Then you shouldn't be allowed to become an American Period like because that is anti-american, but I don't think we should base it on race I think it should be based on ideas definitely based on nationality like Trump's done that with banning certain countries from sending people here Yeah, that's the question is like, I mean, if this is what
Starting point is 01:50:27 why it's widely held belief among like 99% of the population, then we're not going to risk it that hopefully get this 1%. And it should be hard. I mean, it should be hard. It should be a challenge. You should, this is not a right, you know, this is a blessing.
Starting point is 01:50:40 If you want to, if you want to live here, it's the greatest country in the world. And a lot of people have died and worked their entire lives and generations to make it so. And if you want to come here, that's great. I love that you want to come here, but it needs to be something that you have to work for and earn. And when people understand that, then I want them here. I think it's the same thing. We want people who love the country to be here. We want families. There know, there's a lot of cultures
Starting point is 01:51:06 that are not in this country who like creating families a lot more than Americans currently do. And I'm all about opening that door and making that happen. But you know, I do agree with you. I'm not sure that I agree on a 10-year ban, but I do agree that we've got a lot of undoing. Just so that way all the people that are here can become American.
Starting point is 01:51:24 Kind of like a settling period. No, I totally know that. And the reason I say that is because there's been so many people that have come here and have been encouraged to not assimilate. They've been encouraged. They've been allowed to speak the language of whatever country they've come from.
Starting point is 01:51:41 The government has gone out of its way to provide services in those languages. I think all that stuff should end. It should all be English. The argument that I make for that is there are concepts that don't make sense in other language. There are certain concepts that make sense only in the native language.
Starting point is 01:51:57 You have to have a people that all speak the same language so they can all understand the same concepts. So just shut down all immigration for a decade or so, let everybody assimilate, and then and again I don't mind O-1 visas if you're if you've got a special skill a special talent or something like that come on we can we can figure out a couple hundred thousand a year maybe. The O-1 visa, you still need to want to be here. Like it's great that you have that special skill,
Starting point is 01:52:26 but that's not just the open door for you. A lot of people treat it that way. 100%. And I think that's a huge problem, because that's a lot of the way that like the CCP gets people in here. I totally agree with you. It shouldn't be just, oh, the O-1 visa,
Starting point is 01:52:38 that's your free pass. I think that it should be very stringent. You should have a special talent. You should actually want to be here. You should actually believe in our fundamental principles that make America what it is. You have to believe in property rights, individual liberty, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 01:52:53 I don't think, I think if you have an opinion that's distasteful about the Second Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed into the United States. These things are fundamental to the country. If you don't think people should have the right to speak, speak their mind, you gotta go. We're not gonna require you to buy a gun. But if you have a problem with me having one, I think that's an inherent problem. The Bill of Rights is fundamental to who we are as a people.
Starting point is 01:53:16 Yeah, that shouldn't, this isn't a list of, that isn't a list of suggestions. These are things that are protected, that the government isn't allowed to say that you can't do. So if you want to come here, then you have to at least accept, okay, these are things that are protected, that the government isn't allowed to say that you can't do. So if you wanna come here, then you have to at least accept, okay, these are things that every American is gonna be able to do, and not only am I okay with that, I wouldn't push against them. Right.
Starting point is 01:53:37 At the least. Yeah, at the middle. I prefer that you celebrate it in a ticker tape parade. But yeah. Yes, yes, absolutely. At the very least, when they're building giant monkey god statues in Texas, that's a good sign it's time to shut the tap for a little bit. Yeah, you know, right?
Starting point is 01:53:48 Yeah, it's getting a little. Just pump the brakes. They're even stealing Marxist jobs, like Zoran, he's an immigrant and he's coming here and he's taking a job from a hard working Marxist. That's not right. That's another thing, it's like we've got, if you're born in America, you automatically
Starting point is 01:54:04 have the right to be as garbage, and you have the garbage opinions if you want. We can't do anything about it. It's like your family, if your brother sucks, your brother sucks, but he's your brother, so you have to deal with it. We don't need to bring in people that have these terrible opinions, right?
Starting point is 01:54:19 Exactly. We already have enough of those. That's right. If we're born here, there's nothing we can do about it. Yes. Let's see. Wyatt Clayton Burke says, "'Phil, what do you guys think about the Gaza aid drama?
Starting point is 01:54:30 "'It seems like everyone is lying. "'The photo of the kid in the New York Times "'has MS Israel actually helped him, "'but Israel lies too. "'Israel's blocking aid. "'They're all full of crap. "'I don't know what to believe, "'and so it's not my problem.'
Starting point is 01:54:44 This is exactly why I'm like, let them do whatever they want to do. I don't care. People get upset with me because I don't hate on Israel enough. Well, I don't care enough to hate on them. Right? Like you have to actually have some kind of, you have to feel a certain kind of way if you're gonna hate on someone, and I don't care what they do.
Starting point is 01:55:07 Let them deal with their problems over there, what, six or 7,000 miles away, 10,000 miles away, whatever it is, their problems are over there, and I'm not over there, so I don't give a F. That's it. So, but yes, they're both lying, they both engage in propaganda, So I don't give a F, that's it. But yes, they're both lying, they both engage in propaganda, they're both trying to persuade people. Israel's been doing a terrible job of it
Starting point is 01:55:33 and that's why there's so many people that are turning against them. Let's see. It's Coco Sauce? Oh, Coco Sauce says, extremists won't forget about decades of US interference whether we support Israel not that ship is sailed Look the reason the Marine Corps exists is because of the Barbary pirates and because There were people that said hey
Starting point is 01:55:58 We're going to just scoop you your your people up and put them in slavery like that has been something that has gone on in the Middle East for literally ever. So it's not like it's new to think that the that there are problems in the Middle East that has been as long as there's been a United States, the United States has had to deal with issues from Middle Eastern countries because of their religion, right? Like that's just the way that it is. Whether it's the Somali pirates or the Barbary pirates or dealing with Gaza or whatever like that the idea that we're going to have to deal with this. It goes without saying,
Starting point is 01:56:45 it's part of just the existence of apparently that region. So yes, we're gonna have to deal with it, but it's not about US interference, it's about the people that are over there and their belief system. Was it Jacob and Esau came out of the womb fighting? Yeah, you know? Yeah. So. There's a lot in the womb fighting? Yeah, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:05 There's a lot in the, I mean, if you wanna get into like biblical stuff, there's so much in there that is predictive of like exactly what's going on today. Yeah. I mean, look, it goes all the way back to the, at least the stuff between Israel and the Arabs, goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.
Starting point is 01:57:20 Oh, yeah, it's probably an Isaiah, it probably talks about Hillary's emails. I mean, it's crazy how accurate it gets. Yeah. Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife says, who has better plastic surgery, me or Bruce? I'm not sure who Bruce is. Jenner. Oh, Bruce Jenner, yes, of course.
Starting point is 01:57:34 That's Sue Rebich for that. Missed you this weekend, Phil. CW was a blast. Thank you all. Tim Kast team, thank you Roma Nation for the legendary after party. I wish that I could have gone. I had a massive, massive fever and I was very, very under the weather after party. I wish that I could have gone. I had a massive, massive fever and I was very, very under the weather, so. Yeah, we've all been getting killed by this.
Starting point is 01:57:51 There's been like a bunch of people here. Alad's got it now, Surge had it last week, I had it over the weekend. You've managed to dodge the blood, huh? It's like I never get sick, so if I get sick, it's time to shut the company down. I think that, I think you probably dodged it. I mean, it's made its shut the company down. I think that I think you probably dodged it I mean, it's made its way through so far a little bit different
Starting point is 01:58:09 Tate was patients era who knows yeah, maybe I haven't and just were you sick you knew it No, I'd never get like I'd never happen. Yeah, he's a carrier cuz I got vaccinated actually All right, Raul Cortez says yeah, I'm indifferent to any of the points brought up in favor of Israel. I'm not bothered by Israel fighting their enemies, but I just don't see the casual relationship between Israel's safety and American interests. I mean, look, I agree with you about Israel can fight their enemies however they want to fight them.
Starting point is 01:58:41 I'm not particularly concerned. I saw a post this weekend on X about the Sudan and like half a million people died there and it's like no one cares because no one can blame the Jews, you know, so it's there's plenty of places where there are more horrible things going on than what is going on in in Gaza and you don't hear people making us think about it. And I genuinely do think a lot of the reason is because, you know, you can't blame Israel. Just for some numbers, because I did look this up recently,
Starting point is 01:59:13 there are 300 million people facing food insecurity in the world. Less than 2 million of those are in the Gaza Strip. So there's a lot of countries, including Haiti, Sudan, Mali, who are facing much more severe crises that were nobody seems to care about at all. Yeah, yeah, because it mostly because they can't make a political statement about it. Correct. Let's see. Dr. Tran says the internet is turning the humans gay? No, that's just you. Figured out man. Yeah. Isaac says why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear-armed countries?
Starting point is 01:59:48 No, wait, we already read that. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a trip down memory lane Let's see We got here Matthew Matthew van der Seed said are you going to post the Culture War live with Michael Malice? Well, it won't be live, because it's already been recorded. So, no. But, it's recorded, and they're gonna post that. So, yes.
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Starting point is 02:00:34 Go to timcastevents.com. Timcastevents.com and you can buy your tickets there. Hurry because they are going fast. They usually do. It'll be Alex Stein and who else is there? Have they promoted? Yeah, it's gonna be Myron Gaines oh yeah he's an interesting guy yeah and cat Tim from the Fox News and then Kyle attorney was also interesting is that not so erudite yeah yeah so there's there's some there's some interesting
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