Timcast IRL - Texas Republicans Win, House Passes Redistricting Map, GOP Looks To Gain 5 Seats w/ Theresa Payton

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Phil, Brett, & Raymond are joined by Theresa Payton to discuss Texas Republicans winning the redistricting fight against Democrats, Bed Bath & Beyond roasting California's insane policies, Cracker Barrel being roasted over logo redesign, and Trump ordering the southern border wall be painted black to make it hotter.   Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett  ⁨@PopCultureCrisis⁩  (everywhere) Raymond @raymondgstanley (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Theresa Payton @TrackerPayton  

The Texas House has approved redistricting, so it proves that all of that hubbub from the Democrats was absolutely pointless for no reason at all. Bed Bath and Beyond is going to be back, but they're not coming back to California, so we'll talk about that. Cracker Barrel has decided that they're going to do a whole bunch of redecorating, excuse me, and the Internet has said, thanks, I hate it, and the DHS has decided that they're going to redecorate the border wall, so that way it's hot to the touch. So we're going to go ahead and get into all that, so if you will head on, but before that, head on over to casprue.com and buy some coffee. You've got Josie's signature blend now. We've got two weeks till Christmas. We've got Ian's Graphene Dream. We've also got the K-cups.

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So, are you signaling at me search? Oh, I'm sorry. All right, so, so yeah, head on over to, head on over to rumble.com and join there. But to talk about all these things joining us tonight is. Hi, everybody, Teresa Payton. Nice to be here. Who are you, and what do you do? I'm Teresa Payton. I'm CEO, Fortal of Solutions. I was the chief information officer for President George W. Bush, 2006 to 2008, first female to hold that job. but before that I worked in financial services for 16 years and now I help companies and individuals

with security. You have a book that you're? I do have a book. Yes. I've got a paperback second edition manipulated inside the cyber war to hijack elections and distort the truth. It is not really just about elections. It's all of the manipulation campaigns that happen around the world globally, including

in the United States, that impact us on social issues, how we talk to each other, how we treat each other, and by the way, also elections. Deepfakes, AI play a role in that as well. Awesome. Well, thank you for joining us. You appreciate it. Raymond is here. What's up, friends? It's your boy, Raymond Stanley Jr. excited to meet you, Miss Teresa. Nice to meet you. Friends, if you're looking, if you look behind Brett, I'll introduce him today, and Phil, it's dark outside. We have some blue lights. We have some red lights. So today I got to spend the day up in the air in the lift, and a boom lift, hooking up for the skate jam session on August 30th that we're going to have. So we got red, white, and blue. You know how Tim

House Rolls for America. There you go. I see a purple light back there as well. It does look a little purple. The colors might have been changed. I think they might have said go pink for a second there.

One of them. Okay, guys, my name is Brett. I am normally the host of pop culture crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Let's talk politics. All right. So, we're going to jump right into this

from Axios. The Texas House approves redistricting map favoring Republicans. The Texas House gave initial approval to a new congressional map Wednesday that will likely give Republicans five more seats in a closely divided U.S. House. The redistricting would go a long way to ensuring the U.S. House remains in Republican control,

even as it sets in motion a wave of gerrymandering in other states. Heavily outnumbered Texas Democrats briefly held up the redistricting plan as they left for other states, depriving the chamber of a quorum necessary for a vote. But they returned Monday for a new special session, saying they would now challenge the redistricting in the courts. The 38-member Texas Congressional Delegation is currently composed of 12 Democrats and 25 Republicans. One seat is vacant following the death earlier this year of Democrat rep Sylvester Turner of Houston. Under the new map prompted by a demand from President Trump, Texas would likely send 30 Republicans and 8 Democrats to Washington.

You want transparency? The underlying goal of this redistricting is to improve Republican political performance. Bill Arthur State Rep. Todd Hunter, Republican from Corpus Christi, said on Wednesday. The proposal amounts to an illegal and racially discriminatory map that surgically strips away minority representation in the U.S. Congress, said Rep. Chris Turner from Grand Prairie. This is Texas, not Washington, D.C., the impulse of outside politicians and their billionaire backers shouldn't dictate what we do in the House. It is not the way that the Democrats are actually framing it. If I understand correctly, two of the five new seats would actually be majority black, or I'm sorry, two of the five new districts would be majority black.

So this has nothing to do with race, but it does have to do with the fact that there has been such a massive demographic shift and population shift, people leaving California, moving to Texas, and all of the illegal immigration, considering the census doesn't count citizens. it counts people, it counts bodies. It's something that actually has precedent. There have been times where there have been, you know, mid-sensuses that were not just every 10 years. And redistrictinging is something that I think is important. Do you have a sense as to what this actually is going to mean for Republicans or Democrats in D.C.?

I think it's going to be interesting to see as somebody who lived in Florida through redistricting and North Carolina through redistricting. It is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. The one thing I always say about redistricting is be careful because one man or woman's favorite redistricting, the next party, if they're become in charge, they can change it back. So just make sure it's something that will stand the test at time. But it will be interesting to see how it plays out. This is something that we've been talking about for a couple days because this has kind of been what's leading the news. Nick Sorder had some stuff that to say about, about it on Twitter. We're going to go to this real quick.

Breaking tonight, Texas Republican legislators have just won their fight over redistricting. Just moments ago, the state House vote is now final. The bill aims to provide five additional congressional seats for the GOP. Correspondentic Garrett-Tenny shows us what's happening from Austin, Texas tonight. Good evening, Garrett. Very short. But yeah, so five seats is really going to be. a big deal. And I think if the Democrats are going to escalate, which is what they've kind of indicated that they're going to do, you'll see some redistricting in, I think it was California, Illinois. But again, this is something we talked about a couple of times. There's not a whole

lot more the Democrats can do, whereas the Republicans actually have a lot of room to squeeze more seats out of multiple states. Well, yeah, that's because as we've talked about endlessly on this show, at least in the times I've been on, is that Republicans historically in the past have been very weak on actually making inroads in progress. They tend to be playing defense all the time. And now for the first time, at least in my, it feels like in my living memory, that they're actually going on the

offensive. And the Democrats can't really do that because they've been on the offensive for so long that they've pushed that can as far down the road as they can. And so the things are happening. It's not that nothing ever happens. It's nothing ever changes. It's not nothing ever changes. It's not nothing ever happens. It's nothing ever changes. And I'm excited to see

God bless America of Jasmine Crock loses her seat. That would be a fantastic. and amazing. She said, I was just looking at it, that it's racist and it's anti-demographic warning that they're going to drastically reduce minority voting power, whereas like Phil said, they're going

to get at least two, possibly two, with minority voting power. Yeah. So actually, speaking of representative, Crockett, speak of the devil. As many of you as possible to flood our state. Like, when it's election time, I want them to be so mad that

they did all of this, because we have people coming from the entire country to Texas to make sure that this little scheme that they tried to pull where they were just going to steal and diminish the voices of black and brown people, I want us to be so loud that they actually go running and trying to figure out what's that little racist town they all hiding in and some, what is in Missouri, Arkansas, Arkansas, I think they all ran to Arkansas. That's what they need to run off to. That's how I want them to feel after this election. So no matter what happens, I need y'all to stay in this fight because literally the war is just starting. It is, what the hell is she talking about? I have no idea. That is a very good

question. I didn't understand any of that other than she was assuming you did and I just didn't make any sense. I mean, I wondered if she asked chat GPT what was going on and maybe that was the answer it gave. I mean, yeah. So I don't know. What is the present? So it's not just her saying that it's racist. It was the Democrat from the article referenced it and called it. Is there like some type of precedent for why they're saying that? Do they have a research study maybe?

I think that it's probably just kind of boilerplate Democrat complaining about whatever the policy is. That's just the go-to line that they've had for the better part of at least a decade, possibly 15 years. They just call everything racist.

And that has worked to frighten people and say, because people are really people don't want to consider them you know think of themselves as a bad person and generally racism is is thought of as a bad thing um so you know you tell a white person they're like that oh you're racist they're going to be like oh what did i do that was racist especially if you're talking about someone that's a democrat republicans have kind of got a thicker skin now because they've been hearing it for so long and and they've gotten to the point where they're just like i know i'm not so i don't care what you say i know this is only a rhetorical tool. This is only you trying to attack me to shut me up. So I don't worry about those kind of accusations, but there's still people that it actually works for. Yeah, but that's like when you're having an argument with somebody about social issues, we're talking about political redistricting. It's as boring as it could possibly get. And that's like, it seems so outside of the construct of what they're discussing that it doesn't even seem relevant. Like, that makes

more sense if they're talking about the actual racial demographics of their politicians, saying you didn't vote for this person there for your races. We know that's still BS as well, but that seems more logical than whatever it is that they're trying to... It feels very square peg round hole, but if anybody's going to tell you to be loud obnoxious, it would be Jasmine Crockett.

That was an injury, Yang. Remember he tried to move to, what was it, Georgia, when Georgia was having their special elections back in 2020, something like that. He was trying to move down there to help people move down there, move of residence for three months so he can vote into that election.

And Jasmine, nobody cares about you. No one's going to move from Missouri to Texas. No one's going to move from Maine to Texas. That's a huge ass. Just to save your ass. Nobody gives F. I'm sorry, miss.

I mean, especially if you have a job that requires you to come into the office. Do you think everybody works remote? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you know, this, this post from Muse says that

Jasmine Crockett was calling for white people to leave Texas, suggesting they move to Arkansas. That's white flight. You're not supposed to do that either. And they're building a town of, of the white people. They're mad about that

and now she wants them to go join this other white community. Well, I mean, that's, again, that kind of speaks to my point about using racism as a rhetorical tool or using the accusation of racism

as a wedge to get people to respond because white people have been like, you know, I don't want to be thought of as racist. Again, that works when you're talking about regular social issues. If we're talking about this, nobody's moving just to...

Yeah, Yeah, but I do think that the accusation of racism is less compelling nowadays. Yes. Just like when, you know, when you hear Nazi about Donald Trump for 35,000 times in a month or whatever, like, you people start to think, okay, wait a minute, maybe they're just saying the most terrible thing they can think of. And this is, this actually is something that comes from like kind of the postmodern philosophy. There's, they don't actually believe their postmodernists don't actually believe that there is a truth. They believe that it's all perspective and they don't believe that words actually have any more meaning than we give them. So because words have the meaning that we give them, words don't actually have any meaning.

So they can use words that function to get a reaction or to produce a result as opposed to using words that mean something. And it's generally has worked, but people on the right are kind of on to that, that kind of rhetoric and are just sick and tired. You point to your book, do you, if you got, please, if you got something you can add to that, please. Well, no, I mean, as far as manipulation campaigns, and that's what people have to realize is we all consciously or subconsciously have manipulation campaigns. And so on the one hand, it may be something good where, I don't know, I'm looking for light blue pumps. And the internet, now that I talked about in front of all of you, the internet's going to send me marketing campaigns, manipulation campaigns to show me the blue pumps I couldn't find. And now I have to buy. So on the one hand, there's marketing. But then it can also be things like the rhetoric and the language that people use that can be very divisive. And it's happening on the internet. It's happening in sort of the language choices we use. And we have to be very mindful of it and not do it ourselves, but also be able to help other people spot and stop when these manipulation campaigns are happening. So now, like, you're going to turn on your computer.

It's going to be ads like, move to sunny Texas. I thought it was Arkansas. Well, I thought, was she talking about... She wants people to move to Arkansas. You're white, so you got to move out of statements. So do you, is that something that you actually get into in your book? Not about the kind of that part of the politics, but the fact that you can see where a social media campaign using certain hashtags, using certain language, can

manipulate people into thinking, okay, this is what's actually happening. And they don't have the time to dig deeper. And it ends up started, so it, and the internet gives you more of what you came for, especially with algorithms today on social media platforms and AI. And so if you ask or you linger, the internet's going to keep giving you more and more of what you came for. This just shows also, like, remember they did it again, they did it before, like it was 22 or something like that. They all like 50 some left to state, Democrats. and they did it again this year. And both times they came back and they didn't win anything, nothing.

They gained nothing. So hopefully folks will realize that it's all just performative. It's all just fake. I have a question for you. What's the best way to rese- like if we're talking purely on social media platforms, what is the best way to like reset your algorithm if it's going off the rails? I mean, look at rolling pandas. I mean, so if you think about rolling pandas?

How can you have a bad day when you see pandas rolling down a hill? And so if you want to, I mean, whenever I feel like my algorithm needs a reset, I'll look at like funny animal videos or rolling pandas or maybe I'll look at something. I love Pope Leo. So I'll look at something that Pope Leo recently said. And it just resets your algorithm. Because like X is particularly pernicious. And like last week we covered the stupid story about the Mormon dating show. And I did the, I did myself the disservice of bookmarking like two people talking about it. And then. I closed X, I opened it back up, and it took nine posts before I saw something that wasn't quote tweeting that single thing. So I had to un-bookmarked. I had to go and send it to myself through Slack so that it wouldn't be bookmarked on my page because it completely destroyed my feed. It does that. And that's the thing. What they want is for you to spend more time. So the more eyeballs they have, the more money they make. And it's one of the things I found in doing the research for the book was, you know, I thought a lot of times manipulation campaigns

as they related to political elections around the world was about trying to pick winners and losers. But what I realized in the research for my book is people actually make loads of money in the process. So meta makes loads of money. And then I came across through Hacker X, there was a Macedonian group. And Hacker X asked them, why are you guys pro-Bernie, pro-Trump, and anti-Hillary? And this was back in sort of that time frame when all three of them were running. And they said, oh, we're not. That's the combo that makes us the most money. So you click on their news, you click on the ads, you spend time there.

And they figured out when they were pro-Hillary, they didn't make as much money. But when they were pro-Burney, pro-Trump, anti-Hillary, that for them, capitalism-wise, they just said we're pro-capitalism, these Macedonians. Bernie would hate that. He would. I don't know. He's come to love. capitalism he's been he's been chilling the whole time he's uh he'll he'll maybe he loves it for himself

but yeah that's right he doesn't talk he wrote a book bro he's got like cronyism he's not even he's not even the private sector yeah so i mean look at the end of the day the you know whether you're talking about this kind of manipulation or whatever or you're talking about redistricting the goal is to get the as much political power as you can and i think that the democrats have made it pretty clear even though they'll swear up and down that this is some kind of I guess a nefarious attempt by the Republicans.

This is something that's pretty mundane to be honest with you. Now, granted, like I said, it is odd that they're doing a redistricting and they want to do it halfway through the census time. You know, normally it's every 10 years that they'll do a census and then they'll redistrict. But it's not unprecedented.

It's happened before. They could do a whole other census. And that might even change more of the the congressional representation it's likely to change more of the congressional representation um so i just want to know you know what do you guys think is going to be the overall outcome of this did the the the attempts at redistricting do you think it's going to turn into a big old fight between republicans and democrats you think california's going to go and then the republicans are going to actually have to go or do you think that it'll just be something that happens in in texas because tec uh excuse me because uh california they actually have a have to have a

referendum to do this? Do you think that they have the actual, you think there's the fire in California's belly to actually pass the referendum and continue this? And if that doesn't happen, do the Republicans still respond in other states and say, let's just go a whole hog and go for as many seats as we can? What would be another state that they would want to do this in? Republicans or Democrats? Republicans. Oh, I mean, we had the, let me see if I can find it. Because it was like what? There's like seven states that have a strong percentage Republican with no Republican representation? Yeah, I mean Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah. My, I mean, my

old home state, Massachusetts, they have, they have zero Republican representation. And, you know, 35, 40% of the people in Massachusetts are Republicans. It's not, it's not a hundred percent, you know, Democrat. But the same thing

kind of goes for California, right? Like, they have a lot of, a lot of people that are Republicans in California, because there's just a lot of people in California. And there are very few Republican representatives. I mean, that's the problem, though, right? You can't

show those seven states to a Jasmine Crockett or whoever is making their argument to the contrary because they probably know any, well, she might not know, but the other ones who are talking about this might already likely know about this. They understand that it's not racial. They understand that it's absolutely about political power. They don't

care and they never have. Yeah. So it looks like, I mean, there's one, two, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen states that Republicans could redraw the maps in, whereas the Democrats have four. So it's not, it doesn't look good for the Republicans, for the Democrats. In California, again, California isn't even a guarantee. They're just talking about it and they're going to, they'd have to have a referendum and the people

would have to actually have to vote for it. So do you guys have the sense that this is something that the Republicans will push for? Because as far as I'm concerned, like I want to see the Republicans do everything they can to shove it down the Democrats' throats because this is something again we talk about regularly. Democrats are going to do that. Democrats are going to do everything they can with if and when they get back in power because eventually they will. When they do, they are going to do everything they can to expand the court, the Supreme Court. They're going to try to add states. They're going to try to get rid of the electoral college. Now, those things may not happen, but they're going to try because Democrats

aren't afraid to exercise power, whereas Republicans really do avoid exercising power. I think with this this with the success of Texas hopefully folks other Missouri there's a couple other North Carolina South Carolina will see this or other states that we're talking about that need to be restricted Ohio definitely Ohio

you kidding me Kentucky Tennessee hopefully they'll take the lead of Texas and be like you know what and we've been shitting assing on them for so long for not taking the power that they're supposed to be taking they're just been sitting by the strongly worded letters aren't going to cut it, bro. So hopefully I'm hoping, like Phil, and like we were saying as well,

too, Brett, that they should take the power and just do it. Just do it. I mean, I think it'll be interesting to see what happens from a leadership perspective on the Republican side. The other thing I would say is if you're going to do it, do it, but think through the opportunity costs. So if you're spending time on this, is there something else that's not going to get done? And so if you're going to do it, do it knowing you're going to win, like be in it to win it or focus on the thing you're not doing. So that would be my biggest thing because I think of frustration a lot of times is sometimes, you know, they like being number two versus number one because then you have to lead. So I would just say for the Republicans, make sure if you're in it

and you're going to do this, be in it to win it and focus on. So what's not going to get done if we're focused on this? Do you think that there's something that they could be better spent using their time for? I mean, it depends. It depends on what's going state by state, what they should be focused on. So like, for example, with Texas, they've had a lot of issues

with having to deal with crime, immigration. They have a lot going on in that economy, and it's a very big state, a very diverse economy. And so for them, this is probably where they want to spend their time, and the opportunity cost is worth it. some of the other states, I think you've just have to look

at the long list of things that need to get done that might not get done if you're focused on this. Yeah. All right, so we're going to jump to this story now. We're going to talk a little bit about Bed Bath and Beyond. They went away for a couple years, but they're coming back. Major retailers, from Fox News,

major retailer says no to California pulls zero punches outlining economic reality. Bed Bath and Beyond, Executive Chairman Marcus Limon's I think that's right. Announced on Wednesday that the company won't operate open or operate retail stores in California saying the decision isn't about politics, it's about reality. Limone said in a statement posted on X that the decision was driven by the fact that the company

wouldn't be able to sustain operations in the state due to higher taxes, higher fees, and higher wages coupled with endless regulations that strangle growth. California has created one of the most over-regulated, expensive, and risky environments for businesses in America, Lamone said, noting that the state's policies created a system that makes it harder to employ people, harder to keep doors open, and harder to deliver value to customers. LeMone said that the state's budget surpluses come at the expense of ordinary citizens who are paying too much and businesses who are squeezed until they break. Lemmon said the company won't participate in a system that he says undermines both its customers

and shareholders. But the company isn't alienating its California customers. Instead, LeMone said the company is investing in a strategy that will enable California Californians to get products from Bed Bath and Beyond.com that will be delivered between 24 and 48 hours. In many cases, same day services will be offered. Limon said noting that it will help the company avoid the inflated costs created by an unstable business bottle. This comes as the ailing company fights its way back to relevance after it collapsed in 2023 from mounting debt and several failed turnaround strategies. Under its parent company, renamed from Beyond Inc. to Bedbath and Beyond, this.

week the retailer is returning to brick-and-mortar shops with its first bedbath and beyond opening in Nashville earlier this month so theoretically they should have like brick-and-mortar stores right like products like that seem like something that you would want to go and actually buy in person well not only that like you know a lot of people like to be able to go and you know hold things like towels or sheets it's one thing to be like oh you know I want to I want to order things that are not tactile from from from Amazon but was one of the things listed did it have to do with crime was it like the lack of prosecution for stuff getting stolen are they worried about having to like lock up individual towels I think this I think this case not in

this case not so much because they've been you know out of business just the taxes yeah it's well it's not just the taxes it's it's the the cost of hiring people because the minimum wage is extremely high in California. It's probably the cost of regulation. Opening actual brick and mortar stores is not cheap in California. These things add up and they disincentivize business. California loves to talk about how they're the ninth biggest economy in the world. And this is what one of the guys was saying earlier.

The piece is a bit long, so we're not going to listen to it. But California loves to talk about how they're the ninth biggest economy in the world. And it's true. but that's because California's got beautiful weather and it's got beautiful land and stuff those kind of things only retain people for so long you have Tesla's left and that was a big deal because literally one of the politicians

was vocally criticizing Musk on the internet and Musk was like all right message received and just moved out that's a big business that they lost that's a lot of people that worked there that had to either moved with Tesla or lost their jobs you know and i don't know how many other companies have left california in the past five years couldn't even keep joe rogan yeah joe rogan left you know and yeah and that's like i don't know how many people rogan employees but it's not that many but even still like when you're that

wealthy you know as well as wealthy as rogan is look man you have a lot of leverage with getting around laws that you don't want to deal with or paying fees and stuff it doesn't really matter but Rogan you know apparently it was too much for for Rogan to take and again they've lost i think they net lost like 500,000 people over the past few years which is incredible because if you anyone you know you've been to california it's gorgeous it's absolutely beautiful on the coast you know some of California is desert like the rest of the southeast i'm sorry southwest but still like it's really it's really beautiful where where the people are the population centers so it's it takes significant, significantly bad governance to get people to say, I can't deal with you.

When you're going to lose a staple, like, In-N-Out Burger, the headquarters of In-N-Out burgers that's known for being in California, they're going to move to Nashville or Tennessee. That's a big deal. Also, Phil, answer your question, 200 companies within less since 2020 have moved out of California. Chevron, Hewlett-Packard, Enterprise, Oracle, Charles Schwab, Bekinson, they all moved to Texas. Yeah. Like I was saying the other day in 2018, when I was doing recruiting. Yeah, over 200.

Putting any data centers there? When I was recruiting, everyone was moving to Texas even like five years ago before 2020. So can we go back just for a second? But yes, on data centers, Stargate will be in Abilene, Texas. But let's talk about that because they're... No, the Stargate, the AI Center. But let's go back to the fact we're building brick and mortar. Everything old is new again.

Old school is finally cool. What's interesting, I'm raising three Gen Z's. Gen Zs love going to the mall. Gen Zs want in person. Gen Zs want tactile. They want to be places in real life. Don't get me wrong. They love convenience.

So if they can get something delivered to them when it's convenient, great. But they, remember, we lock them up for like 10 to 20% of their life during COVID. Some places did, depending on where you lived. I mean, so just a quick story. So I live in North Carolina, but very close to the South Carolina border. And we were going crazy. It's the middle of COVID. Everything's closed in North Carolina.

And so I picked up the phone and called a bowling alley in South Carolina about 10 miles from my house. And they picked up on the first ring. And I said, oh, my gosh, are you open? She said, honey, it's South Carolina. And we never closed. And so we packed up the kids and we went bowling. But anyways, Gen Z loves brick and mortar, love shopping in person. So it's going to be interesting to see, like, look at Starbucks, in-store,

are down, Gen C says, says this place is soulless. They're adding people to work in Starbucks. So while we're talking about A on the one hand, Gen Z is speaking with their wallets and their pocketbooks. Let's go back to Texas, though. Abilene is going to have the big data center going in. I don't think a lot of people realize the energy consumption that AI, cryptocurrency, and eventually quantum is going to be asking for, but we've got some big decisions to make. So as these huge data centers go in, they're bigger than anything we have today. We have to ask ourselves when it's in your neighborhood, when there's a rolling brownout, who gets the energy?

Is it going to be the data center that's now powering really important things? Is it going to be your house? Is it going to be the hospital? Is it going to be the schools? Who's going to get it? We've got some big questions that have to. be answered. So it would be like data center, hospital, maybe your house third.

We can't a center before hospital. You can't overstate how important the generating electricity is going to be for the future. Um, and if you look at how much China's done, because you're right about the data centers, AI is, is incredibly electricity intensive and China has, I think, I don't know how much they've, they've increased, but they have, they're just eating our lunch. And you can't get permits. in the U.S. to turn on a nuclear power plant that will actually be functional before 2032 or something? Do you know an American nuclear engineer? No. You know, solar, like I like

the idea of solar and Musk seems to believe in solar. He thinks that it's the, he's like, this is the future. That's where it's going to be. But look, your nuclear generation nowadays, nuclear power generation is safe. Coal keeps the AI on. Well, I mean, right now it does over in China, but they're making massive, massive gains in everything. China doesn't have the same kind of restrictions that the United States does. They don't. The United States, if China wants to do something, they just do it. It doesn't matter if they have to tear an entire village up and displace 10,000 people or 20,000 people.

They don't care. They just do it. This is what the state needs now, and so that's what's going to happen. They've been building nuclear. They're building dams. They're building a dam now that's going to make the three gorgeous dam look like child's play. The new dam is alleged to be able to, is planned to be able to produce enough power to power all of a population, the size of Germany, like the whole country from one dam. If the United States doesn't get their S together when it comes to power generation, they're going to lose.

Never mind all the stuff you said, because you're totally right about brownouts. It's like, does the AI center get the power? Does the hospital that's keeping people on life support get the power? Or does your air conditioner get the power? Like when the brownouts are happening, they're going to have to triage that's going to happen. That's totally true. But not only that, if the United States isn't making enough power, the United States will lose the AI race. And that is the most important thing going right now.

I know there are people that are AI skeptic and that say, oh, AI is not that impressive or it won't be. I truly believe that they are dead wrong, that this technology is going to not just revolutionize one industry. It's going to revolutionize the world. It's going to be bigger than the Internet. It's going to be bigger than the printing press, the change that's going to happen because of AI. It is. It is. It's the next industrial revolution. And what people have to realize, so today's data centers don't match up to what we need for AI cryptocurrency. So the data centers that are being built, including in Abilene, Texas as part of the Stargate rollout, they're going to need to be a five gigawatt campus. This is the equivalent to the power coming out of three nuclear plants. Real quick question. Tucson, Arizona recently said they rejected unanimously their project blue data center, massive data center. So if they're going to keep saying no to the data centers, I mean, it was going to take all their water and kill the whole economy.

and it's going to be terrible for them. But where can they put the data centers where they don't kill all the water and make people in the surrounding area not have water and just live terrible lives? Look, in 2024, China generated 10,073 terawatt hours while the United States generated 4,387 terawatt hours. Now, it's twice as much as the U.S.

And granted, China has a lot more people, right? But that doesn't change the fact that they have the capacity and the United States does not have the capacity and China is generating China is building and investing in ways that the United States just is not and this is a massive problem

this is something that is going to AI and power generation like the number of electrons that you can that you can generate is a massive massive problem for the United States right now but they build cities that are dead they spend a lot of money oh yeah they're empty you know what I mean

they spend all this money I guess it's different when you get a data center compared to an construction site and a construction program to build this huge city that no one lives in where data center is online and you it's actual you don't need a structural foundation

it's just the cloud what was that the data center is an actual physical no I understand but you're not building a huge city for people that aren't going to live in it you're building a data center for people to use the cloud you know what I mean okay

Actually, there's actually used Data Center that has a use Whereas the city of emptiness Oh, okay, yes, all right, okay, I see what you're saying now City of Emptiness Yes, I was born and raised in the city of emptiness What city was that? Hamelin, Pennsylvania

Anyways Are they gonna put a data center? No, there's no data center. No. All right, well, back to the situation with Bed Bath and Beyond. The official statement from Marcus LeMont said, we will not open retail stores

in California, this isn't about politics, about reality. California's system makes it nearly impossible for businesses to succeed, and I won't put our company, our employees, or our customers in that position. See attachment. What's annoying about it is it's actually a triumph of capitalism that they can reopen stores and still get products to people in California and find a way around that. But because the left is so anti-business and anti-capitalist by nature that they won't see this as the win that it is. What they'll say is, you should open a business here, lose money, on it and pay us $35,000

an hour. And instead they're not seeing it for what it is, which is a win for everybody involved because they're working with what they've been given, which is crappy regulation, no ability to operate within the state but still get products to people there. Look, California's minimum wage

is $16.50 an hour. Okay, not $35,000. Wow. You're close enough. You're close. But that's, look, the fact of the matter is, like, the amount of people that actually make minimum wage and the length of time that they stay at minimum wage is like it's very few people and it's very very short i'm actually gonna let me google that's a good question because 1650 is not a living wage in

california if you're living by yourself that's stuff i mean in california in general you can't live by yourself even if you're making like 80k well that's why they should be happy that they don't get taxed on tips now yeah only for four years and then we can talk about it later when trump's out office and we can have another wedge issue to fight about 10% of work Yeah, so they don't have an actual number for us, but 10% of workers in the state make no more than the current minimum wage. That's a lot. Yeah, for it, that actually is. Let's see, California 6.000 approximately 10%.

So it says people make below that. Is that because they're working like commission or waiting tables? Yeah, people that are working in the service industry or possibly they might be talking about people that are illegal that are, you know, being paid under the table and they might be throwing them into the estimate. but I don't really know. But even still, like, I'm not sure. Let me see what they say about total. Just real quick. I know someone recently who went to the service industry

and they're like, what, $2.35 an hour? They had no idea because it's all tips. Your income is tips. You get $2.35 an hour. And they blew their mind until. But I think you have to pay babysitters at least $20 an hour if you want a decent babysitter. So I'm trying to have to.

Yeah. So there's only, there's about $869,000 hourly. workers in the United States that make the federal minimum wage. So that's, I mean, that's, that's 1.1% of hourly workers. That is an exceedingly small amount of people that actually make minimum wage. Most people, you know, make weight, make considerably more than minimum wage. Even if they're not making a lot of money, most people are making more than minimum wage. So it's the, the idea that, that, you know, raising the minimum wage is important to a considerable

number of the electorate is just wrong. Well, it's another wedge issue that they focus on during election season because it wouldn't matter anyways with inflation at the rate that it's at now. It's like, we've been so past, like, wages have failed to raise with the rate of inflation for so long that it's almost a moot

point. Yeah. The cost of everything is going up anyways. That's why Walgreens and all those guys went on business in California because they started doing $20 an hour and they couldn't afford the pay of people. That and then the fact that people... And regulations. Stealing and all.

Sure, sure. Oh, yeah. You go in by deodorant. It's all locked individually in a case. Or you have to go to the front desk or the cashier and say, I'd like a deodorant. Here's the. I just want to smell clean. That's all I want to do smell clean.

But like, no, I got to go through the whole process. Yeah. So, I mean, California, and not only, not only that, but when the police won't enforce laws against shoplifting, that's, that's what happens. It's essentially telling people it's okay Why wouldn't you? You know, what's going to stop you if the police won't actually enforce the law? It's all like, it's all cloward pivot and stuff.

Like they just destabilize and knock it all down and then when they're greeted as liberators when they come to inevitably, oh, we'll instate our laws and our order and everything like that, but it's not really working because we're the ones in sitting the law and order. So it kind of backfired for them, I think. Yes, sir.

All right, we're going to jump to this story here from the post-millennial. Cracker Barrel fans slam new redesign. Woke CEO insists feedback is overwhelmingly positive. Cracker Barrel is facing a wave of backlash after unveiling its first major logo design since 1977. With longtime customers and fans furious that the company quietly dropped its signature cowboy from the image that defined the chain for nearly five decades, says Gray News. The company's CEO is now under attack from Cracker Barrel traditionalists who believe the brand is being this. managed. The country-style restaurant chain rolled out the new look keeping its golden-brown

palette, but removed the iconic figure of a man leaning against a barrel with a minimalist design focused solely on the barrel itself. In a statement, the company said the refreshed logo is rooted even more closely to the iconic barrel shape and wordmark that started at all. The controversy comes on the heels of other missteps by CEO Julie Flesmescino, who took the helm less than a year ago. Last year, she sparked outrage during an investor call by declaring, We're just not as relevant as we once were, while admitting that some of our recipes and processes haven't evolved in decades.

Those remarks combined with sluggish post-pandemic business rattled investors. The company's stock plunged nearly 20% in the weeks following her comments, sinking to a 52-week low of 4535, its weakest trading level in more than 10 years, according to Daily Mail. shouldn't she have been focused on the we are we are a mainstay we're something that doesn't need to change we represent a steady hand for america that is resistant to change because it's good the way it is isn't the CEO's job to frame things in a positive light if you go by the stock price i would say that's probably but they're saying that that that stock drop also came out on the heels of her making those comments right yeah yeah i mean it was a bad idea clearly yeah i have to say they waited 47 years to change the logo So why now? Yeah. Why change that?

Like what were people saying I really don't like the barrel and cracker barrel? Are they like looking for young people to come in and come to Cracker Barrel? Because that's not your audience. Like a part of running a business is knowing who your target market is. Now I understand that with most businesses, you're always looking to expand and you never just want to settle into one demographic and stick with it. But for a company like this, you have to, at the very least, you have to settle into what you know works and then perhaps branch out from there yeah i mean the the it's normal to see a

backlash from people on the internet when it comes to significant changes but there was another picture that i saw going around and i i don't know if it's actually in this in this piece from the post millennial but they had changed the inside too they all of the knickknacks that were you know frequently or in all of the the cracker bales because the walls are just packed with stuff They're just consistently full of things. Those are all going to be changed, too. And it looks very, it looks sparse in comparison to the way that it used to be. And it's almost like I couldn't help but think of like the, it was in my imagination.

It's like if Brooklyn was designing a cracker barrel. Because it reminded me of the picture of like that sparse little barbecue when people were saying, oh, this is what barbecue and Brooklyn's like. And it's like you think of barbecue, you think of a big plate of stuff. and like it were these tiny little portions. And it just made me think this is not what people think of when they think of Cracker Barrel. And it doesn't seem to stay true to the spirit of the company.

Homogeneity is the name of the game with fast food now, though. I mean, McDonald's looks like a corporate office when you go inside there. And the same is true. Like whenever we're back visiting in Michigan, there's like a shake shack there. And it looks like a CPA office. It doesn't have any personality whatsoever. most of these places. I don't know if most of it

has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of the business comes from delivery now anyways from DoorDash that they just don't try as hard inside, but he said this lady's only been in charge for like a year. She's taking it down in record time. We are going to see a ton of think pieces on X too about how this is another sign about

the death of the American culture. There's going to be very long articles written by people about how this is actually a sign of the end times. Let's see what she had to say about this here. All right, I've got to ask this question. I think I'm probably know the answer. What if all the customers are coming at you hard enough about the look at a restaurant and they want to go back to the old way? Would you do it? Honestly, the feedback's been

overwhelmingly positive that people like what we're doing. I'll give you another soundbite. I actually happened to be in Orlando last week with all of our managers. We bring them together and once every other year. And the number one question that I got asked, Michael, was, how can I get a remodel? When can I get a remodel? How do I get on the list? Oh, really? So because the feedback and The buzz is so good, not only from our customers, but from our team members. They want to work in a wonderful restaurant. So we're doing everything for our guests and our team members. Well, Julie Messino, it's wonderful to have you here.

Pleasure to be here. Thank you for answering those questions for all the Cracker Barrier fans out there. A lot of great changes. Thank you so much. I wonder how true that is. I could believe that the employees wanted a remodel. I don't know if I buy that the people that go there want to remodel. Do you think that this is a situation that they should have done something like

Microsoft did when, what Google did when they went from yellow to white, how they just slightly changed it every day over the course of a year. If they just started like pulling things down one at a time and then slowly changed it to the new remodel. Yeah, that's what they should have done. I mean, they shouldn't do it anyways. This has radicalized me more than like anything we've talked about in the last few years. As a fan of Crackerberg.

Yeah. This is horrible. What's worse? This or the MSNBC rebrand? This. Yeah, who cares about MSNBCS now? Yeah, like this, yeah, I think that this is, I mean, this is worse because Cracker Barrel actually, like I liked Cracker Barrel or I do like Cracker Barrel.

And I don't care about what MSNBC or what MS Now does. I don't pay attention. I think it would be interesting to see how the same sore sales start to look a quarter from now. But if I were advising the new CEO, which I'm not, I mean, but if she's listening, she might be, you never know. If she were listening, what I would say to her is, you know, when I worked in banking, we used to do mystery shopper. So we would go in as if we were a customer, not present ourselves as somebody from corporate, and just mingle with the other customers, see how we were treated and see what the experience felt like. I would highly recommend she do like an undercover boss and be like a mystery shopper and just go visit the cracker barrels and even like try to engage with other customers. to get some real customer-focused feedback.

That would be my biggest recommendation to her if she were asking my opinion. And if she's watching the show, that's what I would say. The cracker barrel crowd aren't, like, hippie, dipy, drinking Papp's blue ribbon beer, pap's blue ribbon beer, hippies, you know, like cool kids anymore. They're just older generations. They want to relax.

They want to have breakfast in the morning with steak and eggs. They love the old, like you said, Gen Z. they might like the walls full of like memorabilia and all the stuff of like the history of America that would be nice but when you make it all bland and and also real quick question yeah do you think women is off topic

they come in and they ruin bud light or not they but certain people come in they ruin bud light wait are you blaming women's seniors the more of the more I'm learning about these CEOs and these HR reps, like, what's going on with the whole, you know, can women be in charge of a company? I'm in charge of my company. Are you successful?

Yeah, we're very successful. I'm here, aren't I? I mean, come on. I know, I'm just having fun. I do have to ask, does anybody know, did they get rid of the pegboards? Were you? Oh, that's gone. We need to leave now.

We ride tonight. Or the checkers outside. Right. And the rocking chairs. They get rid of that stuff. I'm never going back. No, we ride. That game is so hard to win.

You've got to go to a cracker barrel. You ever won that game? You bet. Tim like asked chat, TBT how to win it one night when we were ready. So this picture is... I mean, it takes me a while. I got to warm up a little bit, you know, to get back into the groove of it.

See, this is a terrible picture. It doesn't actually... Oh, yeah, that's... There were videos on X of it. We're there? We're there? You can probably find him on X, but it's just, like, there were no, like, actual booze when you went.

there before it was all hard back chairs you look exactly that was one of the things that I wanted to point out these chairs like when I googled it they brought up pictures of just the changes some of the changes they've made but this one is the one that I

wanted to see or this particular redesign because getting rid of those the roundback the round top chairs that really looked had that rustic look in favor of this it's like this might as well be an IHOP right this might as well be I thought it looked like a hospital

cafeteria. Fair enough. This one had the old one. The old one? This looks like a hospital cafeteria. The Applebee's by my house has more memorabilia than this does.

Modernia is basically doing terrible things for a culture, I believe. Yeah. Well, I mean... It all looks the same now. Yeah, there is... Everything looks the same. Like last night you guys talking about that

shit box house, that's the African American history museum that looks like the Chebacca's Well, it looks like the jaw was. Yeah, it's all like, ever since, what, World War II, we went to this weird, and I heard. Brutalism. Yeah, brutalism instead of because the Nazis and old folks were like, they liked things looking pretty and stuff. And we're like, you know, we're going to fight against that.

We're going to make everything look like square boxes and trash. Yeah. And now it looks like square boxes and trash. Yeah, true. Yeah, I mean, I think that I do, I do agree with you guys, like the sameness of all of the, or at least of this particular look, right? like the fact that it looks like an eye hop or it looks like a friendlies there's no rustic charm i mean i imagine that if i look at this place i i can't imagine what the what the store would hold right like the the stores that are attached to cracker barrel they have a bunch of cool knickknacks it's a great place

to get little little gifts or whatever you know um and i i mean this doesn't look like it and again i don't i don't know because this is just the one pick and i can't i couldn't find anything else to to to actually give us a better idea. But, well, this one's another one. Like, you can't really... Look at that. That's beautiful. There it is. See, you got clothing. You've got...

That's what I'm talking about. That's what America wants. Give America what they want. Yeah. Let's see. Where's that? That's that easy. You know, that should be everyone's line. Give America what they want. Yeah.

I mean... Okay, here's a video. My kids had Halloween costumes from Cracker Barrow. And they're adorable costumes. I mean, it's a little... reminiscent of the old stuff, but it's not particularly... You know, it can almost be like a lobby

and an aloft hotel. You feel that? The lighting shouldn't be that good. Yeah, yeah. The lighting should be bad. You know, I mean, it's much cleaner than most people are used to in the record barrel. And I do think that this is, you know, again,

you're going to get backlash when you make changes to brands that have been around for a while, but I don't know that, and I don't know that this is something that people are going to be able to get over. Do you guys think that this is going to be something that will affect their

attendance, or do you think that if the food is the same people would be like, whatever? Are we just being fuddy-duddies? I think we might be fuddy-duddies, but I feel like older folks who are older than us, like my dad's age, they will be like, what is this? Why is this? I don't like this. I don't like this. I don't like they might lose

the older folks, and I don't know if the younger hippie, you know, Gen Z, younger Gen X are going to come into that. Nobody, Crackabarrow is an old person place. Is it an old person place? Yes, from what I think it is. I mean, that's something. Her branding, she's working against like a preconception people have of the restaurant.

Like, how many people in their 20s and 30s are like, let's go to Cracker Barrel tonight? I mean, I'd do that, but that's, that's, that's one of the few places around here that I actually like their pancakes. I, like, Sarah, we brought home a box of the pancake mix because I like the pancakes there. So I'll still go even if it looks bad or it doesn't look like. Cracker Barrel. What if they change the food? It sounds like she's getting ready to change the menu. I'm going to change where I'm going to go get pancakes then, huh?

That would probably do even more damage, honestly. If you could change the look, but if you keep the food delicious as it always has been, then maybe they can bring in new crowds. Maybe. Yeah. All right. We're going to move on to this next story from the post-Millennial. The DHS paints U.S.-Mexico border wall black so it's too hot to climb.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem revealed Tuesday that the southern border wall between the United States and Mexico will be painted black as part of an effort to increase deterrence against illegal crossing. Speaking from Santa Teresa in New Mexico, Noam said the decision was more made to make the wall hotter under the sun, which would make it more difficult to climb. She also noted that painting the wall black will increase the lifespan of the metal. Noam emphasized that the request came directly from President Trump. If you look at the structure that's behind me, it's tall, which makes it very, very, very. difficult to climb, almost impossible. It also goes deep into the ground, which would make it very difficult,

if not impossible, to dig under. And today we are also going to be painting it black. We get a little video from Secretary Nome here. Remember that a nation without borders is no nation at all. And we're so thankful that we have a president that understands that and understands that a secure border is important to our country's future. Now, if you look at the structure that's behind me, it's tall, which makes it very, very difficult to climb, almost impossible.

It also goes deep into the ground, which would make it very difficult, if not impossible, to dig under. And today, we are also going to be painting it black. That is specifically at the request of the president who understands that in the hot temperatures down here, when something is painted black, it gets even warmer, and it will make it even harder for people to climb. So we are going to be painting the entire southern border wall black to make sure that we encourage individuals to not come into our our country illegally to not break our federal laws, but that they will abide and come to our country the right way so that they can stay and have the opportunity to become United States citizens and pursue the American dream. This is hilarious. I'm surprised she's not wearing

painters overall. Right? It's like paint splattered on. Exactly. She just did it herself. I don't know why. Yeah, she shouldn't be wearing this outfit. She should have been wearing people overall. Who's going to be painting it? Illegal aliens? No. Criminal aliens. I'm sorry. I don't imagine. You know, what kind of $20 an hour? Might be robots. Might be robots. painting robots I mean look She's going to paint it herself I'm telling you she's going to go

Exactly right Look is this I mean Is this going to actually deter people From climbing the wall though Do you think? I don't get the sense That climbing the wall

Was a big problem It seems far more common That you hear about People digging under the wall And tunnels, cartels Moving drugs that way as opposed. And people that way too

through the tunnels, absolutely. And angle grinder. You could just cut that bitch down. Yeah, I mean, I write a hole in it and you're fine. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure how much of the wall has actually been built. I know that there are sections, but it's certainly not from the Gulf to the Pacific.

That's not at all the case. So, you know, they build it, but there's still a lot. I think that it's my sense that the effect of people not coming into the country, anymore like the the amount of or the fewer numbers of people that are coming in are because of policy and less because of physical barriers or or what have you because they know they're going to get sent away right away yeah I mean the more you make it difficult for people to actually come in and if you have policies that are like hey you have if you get caught we're just going to send you out as opposed to you get caught and you get a hearing date when

people know they can just disappear into the interior that's the kind of thing that actually deters people right i mean well and i i mean to me this has been a problem like my my whole life um we've never fixed this problem people want to be in this country and they want to be here most of them legally and i don't know why we can't and why can't the republicans figure out a way to give people an easier way to get work visas and and i mean we we did it in the past it with ellis island and that's how my family got here. I don't know why we can't fix this issue because nobody wants the idea of the coyotes taking people, because all the coyotes are going to do, as in the people that are coyotes, they're going to throw up drones, they're going to see where the wall is built, and they're

just going to find a way around the wall and go a different direction. And you have people being human trafficked because they want a better life, and they're desperate. We should do a better job of making it easier for people who are desperate to have a better life, to have an appointment, to do the paperwork, and to be here. Well, I have a different take on immigration personally, but you were going to go ahead. I'll just, yeah, back in the day, Ellis Island, you know, what they had like $5,000 a month or something great, you know, not a lot. Now we have Joe Biden's $10 million in the last couple of years.

So it's a lot harder, a lot more people, a lot more, you need a lot more infrastructure. I agree with you. I'm okay. Yeah, a lot of mismanagement over decades, yes. Yes. Yes. So that's a challenge when you're trying to have people coming illegally and then you've got this ginormous amount of illegal illegals coming in. It's tough to, you know, make it work together.

We're just, you know, it's hard. They can make it work. No, they can't make it work. I always thought that like the difficulty to get here was a feature, not a bug, because they wanted the people that could afford it. And the people, they wanted people to bring the best and the brightest here. Yeah. If it's super easy for everyone to get in, then it's,

it becomes a detriment to the country because the people who come in become a net negative for society rather than if you make it more difficult, more expensive, the people that come in are going to add to the economy rather than detract from it. Like brain drain. And that's kind of interesting because like you said, you worked under the Bush administration and it's in my lifetime seeing the way that politics has changed on the topic of immigration with both Republicans and Democrats, at least paying lip service to the idea of fixing the border back.

I mean, even Obama did in the early days of his first term, talked about, you know, strengthening the border, border security and things like that. And then 2016 rolls around and it's changed completely, but it's a much more polarizing issue because it's now downstream from the race issue. And it's, how different was it back then? Was that even something that was really talked about a lot during the? Not really as much when I was, so I was there second half of the second term. So other things were kind of going on. But, I mean, I remember growing up, like Reagan deciding to do amnesty because we were then going to fix it and then we didn't fix it. And we have to come up with the right way.

And I think you're right to be able to say, look, we have room for X number of all these different skill sets, all these different backgrounds. And we have to come up with a way to if people want to be here legally to figure out how to make that work. And you see other countries, it's very hard to immigrate there. So like, for example, Italy, you have to pass an Italian fluency test. You have to show that you're going to have work to do. You have to show that you're buying property. So to your point, there's different policies that are applied. We have to figure out in the United States, what do we want to be, and how do we welcome different walks of life?

And how do we do that in a way where they can be legal and not be in the shadows? Because if we don't fix this issue from a policy perspective, like you said, there's a detourable. right now because we say if we catch you here illegally, you will not be allowed to apply for legal immigration. But we have to find out who do we want to be as a nation and then figure out how are we going to from a policy allow people to be here legally or deter them from trying to be here illegally. Because there is human trafficking and suffering that goes on because we haven't we haven't made up our mind what we want to be. Well, I mean, so to that point, I do think that the American people generally have an opinion that is fairly clear, or at least the majority of

them do, you know, when it comes to illegal immigration, people don't like it. And people don't want to have illegal immigration. They want to make sure that the border is secure. They understand the risks associated with illegal immigration, whether it be human trafficking, drug smuggling, possibly smuggling terrorists in the United States. And when you're dealing with probably 15 million or so in four years. You're talking about the possibility that a foreign country could have smuggled a literal army into the United States. And that's a problem. Yeah. And America's the only country because of the way politics are here, mostly from the left, that is they're not, every other country is allowed to act in their own self-interest when it comes to immigration policy.

America is the only country where you're supposed to be allowed to be here just by virtue of America existing in other countries not being as good as America, which is also being propagated by the people that are saying that America is awful. The people that are saying America is awful are telling you that these people coming from these other countries should be able to come to our supposedly awful country because it's better than the country they live in, but whoa, you can't call their country awful because it's racist to do so. And I think that there's a lot of people that are just fed up with the double standard for a lot of that stuff. And with the way, I mean, this whole thing came up last year with the H1BVs a discussion with

Elon Musk and Americans being fed up with how they feel that work is being outsourced in a lot of ways on top of all that. And it has been a very, very long time since Americans have been allowed to put their own interests first. And it's like, look, we've got 10,000 issues we need to figure out in this country. We'll worry about, you know, legal immigration being a more, you know, we're going to focus on the illegal immigration now, put a stop to that. we'll focus on getting other people the opportunity to come here once we secure everybody else in this country.

And I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with that. I get the perspective of people that want to. And I do believe that. I think one of the most important things about legal immigration is that it encourages people to come here that actually do have a strong desire to be here and they want to hold American values and all that that represents. But right now we've got a lot of bigger fish to fry, or at least it feels that way to me. We do. And I will say for people who came here the right way, filled out the paperwork, paid the money, you know, did everything, became citizens. They have said they don't like the idea that people are here illegally and that they can jump in the front of the line. Yeah. You know, Peggy Noonan wrote an op-ed on this many years ago where she said the reason why illegal immigration, one of the things that's really bad about it is the first thing the person has done is they've broken our nation's laws. Yeah. I mean, again, that's something that, you know, the American people are generally on board with. They want to see the immigration situation fix. And to be fair, like Donald Trump has really done a lot to fix it. Like if the, if the Trump administration standard were the standard for the past five, six years, we wouldn't be in the situation that we are now. We wouldn't have probably 15 million illegals. There wouldn't have been almost a half a million people. trafficked here every year for the four years that the Biden administration was in power. There was a gas station down by the castle that was owned by this family from Tibet, and they would show me videos about people getting caught immigrating here illegally,

and they were pissed. Like, they did not like it. They did not support it because they spent, you know, a good amount of all their family's capital to get them here so they could start a business and be, you know, upstanding members of society. So that's all. Also, again, there was a, did you see the post the other day on X from, like, PBS that was like X amount of support immigration? And everybody knew that it was, it was weasel words BS that, you know, did you actually ask them? Did they mean illegal or legal? But that's just more of the same garbage that we're getting from the media. It's why people don't trust them.

And the left loves you using the, we're a nation of immigrants. You know, nothing gets Ellis Island, but that's, that's very false. a lot of folks moved here from European lands to get away from religious prosecution but also to colonize to expand themselves to expand their future not to be some multiculturalism state land

they came here because they want to spread themselves and their family so they're not here being an immigrant they're colonizing we're a nation of colonizers just like Europe in England so the lie of that we're a nation of immigrants sure whatever but that's not true you can say that but it's very false because people came here because they wanted to be something,

they wanted to venture and be forth and, you know, love life. Yeah, I mean, look, if you're coming to the United States because you want to do something and you're in a place where you don't have the economic freedom or you don't have the ability to do it, that's one thing. But if you're just looking to come to the United States so that way you can make an economic, you can get onto some kind of support plan

that the federal government offers or whatever, that's not the kind of person that you want in the country at all. And it's not racist to say, We don't want to take people into the country just so they can get benefits from the United States. You look at what's going on in the U.K. right now, and there are a lot of people that are, they're not going there because they want to be like the people in Great Britain. They don't look at themselves as anything other than economic migrants. They're going there because they can get on to the benefit rolls and they can get something from the country. That's it.

and they will they tell you that they don't go there because they think britain is this great place they don't go there because they have they believe in the history of the british empire or because they they have some kind of affinity for the royal family or anything like that they go there because of the benefits it may be actually anti royal family from some of the youtube videos that i see it seems so um but and that is something that is like that is abhorrent to a country that is a free country or something or something ostensibly a free country, right? You don't want to have people that are coming to the United States just because they're looking for an economic benefit. And that era of immigration, the Ellis Island

era of immigration, it's from a time when there was, America was seen as something to aspire to, and there was a lot of values that we all coalesced around that's largely been disbanded as this country's kind of become more fractured, whether it's on demographic change, political change, different ideologies. People don't have that same, you know, melting pot view of what America is to coalesce around as a place where everybody can come together under the banner of the United States of America. We're largely fractured now. So all of this stuff gets infinitely more complicated when you don't even have shared value system. Yeah, so we're going to jump to some breaking news right now. Nick Sorter is reporting, and we've got a clip from Fox News. The Trump administration is revoking license of the employer of the foreigner who killed. three people while you turning a semi-truck in Florida. Good, hold employers accountable and they'll stop working with illegals. This is something that, let's go ahead and...

He loves this, but... Yeah, this is, this speaks right to my... ...where you had an illegal alien truck driver that got a commercial driver's license in the state of California, employed by a California company, kill three people in Florida. This guy didn't even speak English. We're bringing him up on charges. He's going to face a lot.

And I can announce, Jesse, that I said, initially the company needs to be held accountable and we've been working with the federal government and they are pulling that company's license to do business because you cannot employ somebody who cannot read the road signs for you we had an issue where i've said this a couple times on the show my personal policy preferences when it comes to illegal immigration right you obviously you shut down the border you pay if you pick up an illegal you send them back but there's some the there's something that needs to be done about the companies that are actually hiring illegals because they're the draw, right?

If you, you've got, and this is, it's good to see this happening that the Trump administration is going to revoke the license. I personally would go further. I want to see the people that are actually owners of the company. I want to see them put in jail and I want to see their company taken from them. So I have a question. Like, are they not doing the I-9 process? Like, I'm an employer.

I have to do an I-9 for everybody that I hire. Apparently not. I'm going to search that but I don't think California they have that rule and regulations as far as like because they and and this company's hiring people to travel you know across state lines so obviously the the commerce clause is is involved so the federal government does have jurisdiction but if you hire people that are illegal you should lose your your business like totally in in totality because that's the only way that you're going to make it not worth hiring illegals this guy couldn't read the signs. They did a test on him. He only identified two of ten different signs that they showed to him. How does he have a driver's license? That's something, well, California gives driver's license out. He can't speak English, which I think the United States should have, like, he literally passed a sign test in California. He probably didn't pass it. He was the point. Like, he probably wasn't tested properly, or he, or someone just said, well, you know, here you go, because we feel bad

for immigrants or I don't want to get called a racist or this is just the policy of California. I don't know the details about how he actually got it. But on the on site, they gave him a test. He couldn't read signs. He can't speak English, which is something that I've been railing about that the United, and it was before the Trump administration said that they were going to make, Donald Trump said that he was going to, he made that executive order that said the, that English is the official language of the United States. That needs to be done by Congress. And there should be no paperwork produced by the federal government in any

other language except for English this is exactly why he couldn't read the signs he didn't I mean whether or not he knew he was supposed to get you know whether or not he knew it was illegal for a U-turn it doesn't matter but he's he was here illegally he couldn't

reading couldn't speak English couldn't read the signs the company oh sorry sorry I was going to say like I have brought the stuff up he crossed here illegally he was fast track for deportation in 2018 like the stuff about this guy goes on and on like I read somewhere else just reason I was trying to get information about the some of the stuff he did um release on five thousand dollar immigration had to know what they were hiring it's

crazy like he didn't like he got most of the questions wrong on this test like for the CDL itself so like he wasn't supposed to be driving yeah this this guy and and people have lost their lives because of it the guy should get the guy should go to jail for the rest of his life the driver and the company that hired him they should lose their business not just their license, but all of his property, like all of the business property. They have no problem, and I don't have a problem with this either. They have no problem stripping all kinds of property away

from people that are dealing drugs. They have no problem taking all kinds of property away from people that have gotten, acquired their wealth through fraud. They take all that away. Why not for people that hire illegals? If you hire illegals, you should lose your property because that's the only way to make sure that companies don't think it's worth hiring illegals.

What state did he, did those, first of all, the poor families that lost three loved ones. Like, we don't want to roll over the fact that we have families who have people that are not coming home and they don't get to hug them again. And that is horrible. So did this happen in Florida? This happened in Florida. So it'll be interesting to see from a court perspective because this happened. And so there's the federal piece, then there's the Florida. court piece, it'll be interesting to see, can you try the owner of the company for

vehicular manslaughter of three? Basically, it's vehicular manslaughter of three individuals. And so it'll be interesting to see because basically he put this person behind the wheel and shouldn't have. And I'm guessing he's making a lot less money than people who are here legally, the, this employee. Pardon me? Like I'm guessing this employee was making a lot less money because he was here? I don't know. I don't know. Like the other thing

about most of this issue with a lot of, maybe not with this one specifically is like because of a mixture of like far left we don't believe in borders policy and bleeding

heart liberalism which tells you that you know we have to let everyone in because they have been oppressed you know they are oppressed elsewhere we need to let them in

and invite them here but not bring them here not even encourage them to come here legally you're creating a slave class of people who do not have to, you know, be paid at the regular rates. Like Phil said, if these companies can bring them in illegally and pay them under the table, they will.

They'll always try to get away with it. And it's been nefariously pushed forward in a way now where it's shown as a good thing to create an entire class of people who are ostensibly slaves. Democrats love the caste system. Like, they love the caste system. But answer your question, yes. And 9 is required in California to answer your question, just so we're 100% on that. So they were just illegal. Then this whole process is just too.

And that's, if I understand correctly, that's fairly typical. And if, again, if it's the fine is so minimal, they'll like, we'll just risk it. Exactly. That's, and that's, again, that's why I think that there should be the most harsh punishments imaginable. You should lose your entire business. And the same goes for people that rent to illegals. And if you were found to have rented an apartment to an illegal, you lose your property. You lose that rental location. I thought that was harsh.

at first the other day, but I'm like, I'm totally a bored, brother. You know what I mean? Let's go America, F these people. Because the whole point is you need to disincentivize people from coming here. And this is actually the more compassionate way because now we've got so many people that are seeing videos of

ICE going and raiding apartments and picking people up and you have people freaking out because ICE is hurting people and they're tearing families apart and blah blah blah blah blah. If you don't want that to happen the next best thing is deterring people from coming here making the people that are here illegally right instead of going to pick them up and having ice have to put hands on and fighting with people or grabbing them after they come out of court for their hearing or whatever

which is something that the left is freaking out about now make it so that way they can't find a place to live make it so that way people are like you're not if you can't prove to me that you're here legally I'm not renting to you because I don't want to lose my whole apartment building. Take it from that. Shipping them all to Minnesota because I've seen videos of people living in Minnesota and it's freezing out and they're like from Africa. They're like, I can't live in this cold weather. You're kidding me.

I don't home. Look, man, if you're putting hands on them, don't ship them to Minnesota. Ship them to home. You know what I mean. But the point being, and the more you do this, if people that are here illegally can't find places to live, can't find places to work. And then people that are outside of the U.S. that are looking to come here, if they know they can't find a place to get a job or if they know they won't be able to

get a place to live they won't come the people that are here will be like i can't work here i need to go home another thing is tax remittances at 95% if you want to come here work and then send money back to your home your country of origin why should we allow that we've got 37 trillion in in debt take that money from them the government has no problem doing any of this stuff. They do it to people all the time. Civil asset forfeiture. If you've got cash in your car and you get pulled over because you're going

to buy a car or for whatever reason the government will just, you know, the police station will just take your cash. They'll say, that's ours now. If the government can do that, there should be no problem with taxing remittances at 95%. If the government can take your property because they think it's

ill-gotten gains from whatever reason, drugs, from any kind of illegal illicit activity, take their property for hiring, for employing or hiring illegals as well. Dude, this is crazy. I did a little bit digging, and I found this article from June, or was updated on 25th of June in 2025. And this guy, Rahman Dylan, I guess a Punjabi guy, was talking to Joe Biden and said that when they rolled this Biden here, his trucking action plan out with his administration, it was a coming crisis. So this is in June 25th when this

is written. And this happened in 2019, I hire this thing right here, where he basically, this the guy, I think this is him right here, who's also Sikh, like the guy who's a driver, but he points out that they repeatedly tried to tell the bad administration that the bigger problem is you're just issuing these licenses when they don't know English enough to pass the exam. He's like, give me a reason why you want it to test in Punjabi. Most of the schools in California have opened up in schools in Utah, because in Utah there's third-party testing. Like, he literally pointed it out that this is going to happen a month or so before, if not like, a while before, and like, here we are, it's happening. All the stuff that they've been saying for so long,

it's all literally coming to fruition all the stuff we said is this is going to be bad this is going to be bad it's going to be bad it's all and whether it's an illegal committing murder yeah rapes and murders which you see you hear stories frequently about or whether it's an illegal here that gets into a car accident or any number of other terrible things that happened that wouldn't have happened if that person wasn't here they weren't forget about any of the other stuff not whether it's intentional or a crime or whatever just the fact that because that person was inside the United States, these things happened, whether their crimes or accidents, those are things that do not have to happen. They did not have to happen. If the government had done what it's supposed to do, which is enforce the border, enforce the restriction on people coming into the United States and actually follow the law, and Democrats love to say no one's above the law, but they will let foreign immigrants, criminal aliens, they will let them skirt the law so that way they can have more people. And I truly believe this is the case.

The reason they want to have more people in the United States is for the census, so that way they can get more representation for Democrats in the Congress. That was the whole point of it. The Health and Human Services, the Bureau of Health and Human Services had a program called the Refugee Resettlement Program where they would ship people in. They would literally put them on planes, ship them all over the country, ship them to purple states, and ship them to blue states again, because they want those census numbers. It wasn't about as much as I do think that there were probably people that are voting illegally. I don't think that they were illegally voting in numbers great enough to actually affect the outcome of the elections, but I don't think that that was the plan. The plan was to get the kind of representation in Congress because of the census and through the census. you know if you increase the number of people in blue states you increase the number of people

in purple states you can get better representation on the democrat side in congress you know when the census comes through because the way that the the census is done or the way that the representation in congress is is counted is not by citizens it's they just count the people so it doesn't matter if you're citizens it's unimportant so i think that the the repercussions for hiring or essentially harboring illegals, whether they're renting or whether you're giving them a job, I think that they should be significantly stiffer than they are. I love the fact that the Trump administration is going to revoke the license at this company that hired this guy, but I don't think it's enough.

They should take their property. They should take all their trucks. That's why you're going to be working for Chrissy Nome, my friend. She's going to show up in a trucker hat and a little shirt on. Absolutely. Absolutely. Before I move on, to get some facts right, out of a night, basically 2,000 miles of the Mexican-U.S. border, we have about 100 miles of border done. It's not a lot. So how about we get the rest of the border built, then we'll worry about what color it is? I can rock with that. And then in the words of a beautiful woman who has my heart and soul, Kamal Harris, don't come. Don't come.

Yeah. So, all right, we're going to jump to this next story. from the post-millennial, breaking woke target CEO resigns amid boycotts declining sales. Target announced Wednesday that long-time chief executive Brian Cornell will step down next year as the retailer deals with sales declines and stacking controversies from both sides of the political aisle.

Chief operating officer Michael Fitticle has been named as his successor, reports CNN. Cornell took over in 2014 and was credited with bringing life to the brand a decade ago but has struggled in recent years as target face drops in revenues in the post-pandemic economy. In the first quarter of 2025, sales fell more sharply, and executives have warned that the downward trend is likely to continue throughout the end of the year.

The retailer, which operates nearly 2,000 stores nationwide, has blamed consumer spending amid economic uncertainty and tariffs. The company has been hit by boycotts that have taken a toll. Customers objected to its diversity and inclusion initiatives, which the company paired back in January after criticism from conservatives and the White House. At the same time, Target has faced backlash from progressives. The Guardian reported in

July that many Black Americans were boycotting large retailers, including Target in Amazon, while a petition drive earlier in the year gathered more than 250,000 signatures from customers pledging to stop shopping at Target. The cultural battles intensified with the release of pride merchandise

in 2023, including the children's items and tuck-friendly swimsuits, which triggered a conservative lead boycott. That campaign combined with a resurface 2015 advertisement featuring children in a Pride month promotion fueled further outrage. The video which ends with the line, we're not born with pride. We take pride in celebrating who we were born to be has circulated widely online in recent weeks, renewing criticism from opponents. It is never a good idea to have children involved with LGBT stuff because children are not sexual,

beings. That is that should be something that is as obvious as any other obvious thing. It's plain as the nose on my face, right? Like it is super simple. You do not a business. Nobody should be sexualizing children. And the LGBT lobby, the LGBT groups, that is their whole existence is based on sexualization. That's why people had such a legitimate and negative reaction to things like LGBT story or drag queen story time. Why does a drag queen want to read stories to

children? Like the children don't need a drag queen to read stories to them. Why are drag queens demanding access to children? The response from the parents was correct. This is insane. They look like fairies. I mean, answer the question. They look

like weird crazy beings in this look like monsters to me. So like you're going to go outside of Target right now. and there's going to be people celebrating there's going to be like a conservative person and like a blue-haired person they're both going to be cheering for the demise of Target.

It's the first time they've had something in common in a long time. But it's not blue-haired. Apparently it's black Americans. I mean, I saw a lot of different like progressive people. For a long time, I've been talking about boycotting Target because of their rolling back of DEI policy.

She was painting. I got this, just got this from Kalinsari. Of course she was. She had the paint roll. Wait, wait. Chrissy Holmes? Yeah, she was actually painting. You know.

Wait, are seriously or was that AI? Uh, Kellyn sent it? That could be AI. Okay. If it's real, then she did like three, she did this three times and then make a photo. I think it's real. Hold on. I'll send it to surge.

But Target's not a big, it's always suburban white women I've ever seen there. That's what, that's what Target is. And that's what it's always been. I don't know if you have any opinions. on Target. Do you shop a Target for yourself and your Youngens? It's not my, it's not my go-to place. I mean, I go there if I

have to, but typically I'd shop it, like if I need school supplies, we typically pick Walmart first over Target. They have good decor. You ever go to the core section? Of Target? Yeah, yeah. That's the best thing. No, I have been in there. They've got the Chip and Joanna Gaines stuff is in the home decor section, right?

I don't know. I think there's a bit controversy with them. I'm not a big, yeah. I'm not a big, yeah. Yeah, like it's I mean Target's been like has had problems I'm guessing Amazon played a huge role in Target losing a lot of business too more than anything

Like you think it's more than the boycotts and stuff Yeah oh yeah I mean I tend to feel like Like outside of Bud Light It feels like every boycott falls very very flat Most of the time It's real man Oh really? You know like she did that twice

Then she's like get this thing off me And she's got an extension bro She's like did you get the photo? I got the photo She is my favorite Cosplayer. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is She wears a skin suit of 10,000 different jobs. I love it. I love it. I love it. In full makeup, every time.

Yes, yes. The South Park nailed it for her. Well, there you go. But the so the stuff about Target, right? Like, they're getting hit from both sides because there were, first, there was the people that were, in my opinion, legitimately um, yeah,

legitimately outraged about the L. stuff that they were putting up a lot of the the artists that they had designing some of the LGBT stuff for again for for that were for children right I don't think the tuck stuff was actually the tuck swimsuits that they were talking about I don't think that was actually for children but they were on sale near the children stuff but like the the designs there was some really questionable designs that the artist had done in other context as well and of course people went and they found it a lot of it was a lot of Satan stuff and a lot of a lot of some really really things that like look I'm a 50-year-old guy that's like I got I'm through I'm in a metal band and my background is in some of the most offensive death metal from the 90s so it doesn't shock me but you know when you're dealing with parents that have children at Target and they're buying you know they're going to buy stuff they're going to be they're going to be selective about what kind of things they want to see their kids on and it makes sense um

Where was that thing you had, Serge? No, you're right, because, I mean, when you do go into a target for school supplies, because you get the list, this is back to school time, right? And so, and I don't know when this display was happening, but typically when you walk in the front door to the left is where the children's section usually is towards the front. And you have to walk past the children's section to get to the school supplies, usually, at least the stores in North Carolina. I just feel like, look, post-pandemic, people were kind of programmed out of shopping.

shopping in stores. Amazon has taken over a huge amount of the marketplace. I just feel like that. More than these boycotts, which I bet you if you went on the street tomorrow, and you asked a bunch of normies, like what they think of Target, they're not going to bring up tucking swimsuits and they're not going to bring up DEI policies. They're going to say, I go to Amazon. No, well, I tell you, it is true. But I do think, like, Target's delivery service. Like, it is, every bit as fast and as quality as Amazon. Amazon's easier because of the app, I think. but the service from from from target is very good um so from the post millennia they were saying at the same time target has faced backlash from progressives the guardian reported in july that many black americans were boycotting large retailers including target and amazon while a petition drive earlier in the year gathered more than 250,000 signatures to stop to 250,000 signatures from consumers pledging to stop shopping at target. Look that's a lot of the boycott against the the ending of DEI stuff yes right so progressives are saying look if you're not going to basically, you know, use unfair hiring practices, we're not going to shop at your store.

I don't imagine just because of numbers, right, the number of people that would be shopping at Target, like the number of black Americans that there are in comparison to the number of white and Hispanic and Asian Americans. I don't think that this is actually a compelling boycott. This is probably something that you're going to make a bunch of noise about, but I can't imagine that this actually has an effect on the sales that Target has. It does better for your internet engagement if you want to

talk about this stuff than it does actually affect their bottom line for the most part. At least I would imagine that that's true. And knowing just black people in general, they are not LGBTQ AI plus friendly. Yeah. They are, you know,

that is not their cup of tea, so if they're going to boycott Target, it would be more for the tuck friendly, for them walking into the stores. If they go into the stores ever it says trans people exist we are here now today. And it's like it's a petition. It's like a change.org petition has changed exactly

zero things in the history of the world. So I don't think people are buying that. I think that the internet becoming a more prominent place to shop is taking more of that. Yeah. Well we have the biggest. Well isn't the American consumer pulling back a little bit? I have there been some discussions around

buy now pay later plans and also And also, you know, pulling back a little bit on spending. So I wonder if we compared Target in-store sales to Walmart in-store sales and other kind of similar retails if that's down. And I think you're right. The online shopping, it's a thing. So there's certain things that people are just going to buy online now because they got used to it during the pandemic. Well, yeah.

And like a big part of the selling point for women, like for women was like, we go for one thing and I leave with $200 worth of stuff. right, but if they're not going to the store at all anymore because they're staying at home and they're buying their stuff there, I mean, certainly you'll still get the ones that go do that, but just not in the numbers that you were getting before. Yeah, freaking braids. Thank you for that, Raymond. That would help out.

Yeah, I think we've got time for one more. Do we got time for one more story here? I'm not sure that, I don't know. Well, let's dive into it real quick. From the New York Post, ex-Space Force Sergeant Orris Schurr sentenced to 54 years in prison for fatally shooting suspected teen car thief. A former U.S. Space Force sergeant who fired multiple rounds at two suspected carjackers outside his home, killing a 14-year-old, has been sentenced to over half a century in jail. Oris Schur, 29, became emotional as he apologized for murdering 14-year-old Xavier Kirk before he was sentenced to 54 years in prison for the 2023 fatal shooting. the Adams-Broomfield County's district attorney's office announced.

I'm sorry for the events that occurred that night, for the pain for the grief and trauma that have followed and for the impact that my case had on so many lives. A tearful Shirel told Aurora, Colorado courtroom on August 15th. The deadly shooting also left a 13-year-old hospitalized. Scherer, a technical sergeant with the U.S. Space Force based in Aurora was awakened by a car alarm outside his apartment at 11 p.m. July 5, 2023. The then 27-year-old grabbed a pistol, ran outside to his Hyundai Alancho where he spotted two people dressed in all-black, attempting to break into the car. Scher confronted the individuals, but the would-be carjackers fled in another car. The sergeant gave chase in his car and fired multiple rounds at the teens. The fleeing car crashed into the backyard fence of a home four blocks south of Scher's residence.

Kirk and his teen accomplices hopped out of the damaged car and began running away as Scher continued to fire. Kirk was found suffering from a gunshot wounds to the head and back. He was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. The 13-year-old who was driving the getaway car was shot in the back and managed to get to a relative's house before being brought to the hospital and survived. Scherer was arrested after the shooting and charged with first-degree murder and first-degree attempted murder and first-degree attempted murder on June 16. During the trial, Scherer claimed the two potential carjackers had shot first, and he found, was acting in self-defense. Investigators found 11 shell casings were fired, all by sure, included there was no evidence that either team was armed during the robbery.

Adams County District Court Judge Karen Datz argued the trained military sergeant should have known not to take lethal action. CBS News, Colorado reported the former sergeant faced up to 80 years in jail. This was a vigilante violence at its worst, and now a young man is dead, said Adams in Brumfield County District Attorney, Brian Mason. The defendant took the law into his own hands, chased down a fleeing vehicle, and opened fire on its occupants. A 14-year-old boy will now never grow up because of the defendant's actions. Kirk's family called out Scher during the hearing, questioning why he shot at unarmed boys. What Mr. Schur did to my son and his friend to chase them down and execute him over a car that they didn't even take is ludicrous. Kirk's father told the courtroom, other

relatives deflected from the teen's brazen attempt, attempted carjacking to focus on Shur's shooting. make mistakes and so I always teach my kids in my family like my nephews and nieces about consequences and repercussions said another relative the outlet reported we're not trying to excuse any wrongdoing of Xavier or wrong they were involved in the part that's messed up is or as sure his car

was never stolen look obviously this guy had done you know it was a terrible idea to chase them down shooting at them driving down the down the road is a like that is begging for

for a problem it's begging for innocent people to get hurt it was terribly dangerous um i'm not sure if 54 years is the right sentence but uh you know look he killed a kid you know so that is true i will say that i think that if there were more or more significant consequences to people that were you know to to young kids that were breaking the law this might not have happened because look There are a lot of kids out there that actually break the law because they say, look, man, nothing's going to happen to me. I'm a kid. I'm a teen.

And there are people that are, and not that this is one of those cases. I don't, I don't think that this is indicative of this. But there are people out there that will have kids go do things because they're young. Because if they get caught, the sentence won't be long. And because if they get caught, it'll be wiped from their record when they turn 18. So it's really using children. to violate the law, you know, and it's using that, manipulating them into doing things that they shouldn't be doing that will only make them into, or only make them more likely to commit

crime in the future. Do you guys have a sense that this is, that this is something that, do you think that he, he got the sentence he deserved or? I mean, I think long prison terms for the kids is going to put them into the criminal industrial complex forever anyways. So, I mean, as we know, like once, once you're, once you have a felony on your record, it's, very, very hard to get out from under that if you try to go back to being an upstanding member of society. Fifty-four years was for what? It was for the, it was for the... For second-degree murder. So for second-degree murder and the one kid died, but the other one didn't. One kid died, one could do not, yes. That's, I mean, that's awful. Like, he shouldn't have chased them down. And I'm sure that there's

going to be some people saying along the lines of what you're saying, but once they're off your property and this isn't something like Castle Doctrine, this is not something that most people are going to be able to find defensible in any way. And a lot of folks will, like, say, hey, it's a white guy shot these kids. Yeah. So he's getting more prison time. But like you're saying, like, we're all thinking, like, the dude chased him down. He's also responsible for his own action.

Yeah, he chased the freaking kids down the road. They were stupid. They shouldn't have been doing that. But the second you leave your property and you go after this, you're begging the consequence. Bro, relax. And anybody that owns firearms will tell you that that's a great responsibility to carry. And if you're going out and doing this, like, what was the sight line?

You could even see what was in front of him. What if his bullet had passed? Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know, I don't know exactly how trained this guy is, but it's not like Space Force. It said Space Force. I was like, did they steal a spaceship? Is that relevant to this story?

I mean, that's a big deal, then that would be all, you know what I mean? Look, like, just moving and shooting is difficult, right? If you're walking and shooting and getting accurate hits on a target that's, you know, even if you're only 10 yards, 15 yards away, if you're walking, like, that's not super easy. Like, it's, it's actually fairly difficult to, to be accurate with a handgun, which is a three and a half, four inch barrel, you know, and to be able to hit your target consistently.

So driving, it's not the movies, you know, the idea that you're, you're going to sit there and have a handgun out the window and drive with the other hand and, and make accurate shots. Like, that's just not happening. I looked up to see if he was drinking, like, why would you chase these people down the street? I mean, they went to steal, and the family says they didn't steal a car, which is a stupid argument. They were going to steal the car, so don't use that argument family, but they shouldn't be dead, by the way. But yeah, that's a terrible argument.

But what, why is he chasing these people down the road, shooting at them? I don't get, you know, bro. It's awful. I mean, he should have called 911. Yeah. He could have, if he wanted to, quote, take matters into his own hands, he should have taken photographs, video, you know, whatever. but getting in a car with a weapon and shooting while driving. Wait, he was in a car?

I missed that part. He was driving. He was driving after them. So he hopped in his own car and drove out. And I'm like, what do you think you're doing? Who do you think you are? And again, like the casual, we have a life lost. He's going to spend all this time in jail.

We have a family who had to bury their child. And so arguably they were doing something wrong. He, you know, those kids need rehabilitate, you know, the kid that lived, people need to watch out for him and help him along so that he can not have a life of crime. But he could have, like, the devastation could have been way worse. Yeah, yeah. He could have hit all kinds of bystanders doing this. And so for, I mean, I think they had to say he's going to spend basically the rest of his life in jail because you can't have people taking matters into their own hands like that. And those are like two, like what Phil brought up before about like if the punishments were more severe for the kids.

So like those are, they're vastly separate discussions. And just the fact that he went after them is where most people are going to draw their line. You know, you could have a whole discussion about people who get shot when they break into your home. And everybody here and most rational people are going to say, well, you broke into another person's home. What the hell did you expect to happen, right? But the second, and again, this is a nuanced discussion where the second you leave the property, the immediate threat to your own life is gone is no longer there

and it becomes a completely different situation in the eyes of the law so to me the discussion about the deterrence about their you know if they were charged at a higher rate or maybe charges adults that it seems kind of small in

comparison to what this guy actually did which was something vastly different than most people are going to accept you mentioned call 911 I do wonder if the fact that police, you know, they don't solve crimes anymore. And I do wonder if police actually put any effort into trying to figure out who does this stuff.

It's my sense that, you know, if most people don't expect the police to do anything. Yeah. Generally. Right? Like, if you ask people, what do you think the cops are going to do? They're just like, I don't know. I can't do anything. And a lot of cops will tell you that, you know, especially the larger the city or the, the,

the municipality that you're in. If you're dealing with a big, big town, like, I mean, if this is actually in Boulder, they're not doing anything. The cops would be like, you called in it. Two kids tried to, you know, steal my car. Did they take your car? No.

Why are you calling us? And that's part of the problem. Yeah, that's the problem, too. The dismissiveness of the police department. Well, why are you calling us? We're not going to, your car didn't get taken. You know, the fact that people feel like they're just waiting to be victim.

Now, again, this guy totally, you know, broke the law. He went way, way beyond anything reasonable. But I do think that it's that it's probably because that's kind of the feeling of all we're doing is waiting to be victimized and the police don't do anything. The police don't prevent crime. They don't try to solve crimes. They don't try to go after the people. And it probably boils down to more the district attorneys. and the judicial branch than the actual law enforcement

because... Not prosecuting. Yeah, not prosecuting, letting kids go, letting people go, because I'm sure he didn't know exactly how old this kid was. He wasn't sure

that he was a young person. But they're going to look at this and say, look, the cops don't do anything. That's just the fact of the matter. The cops aren't going to do anything. They're not stopping the crime. They're not picking up kids.

The kids that do get picked up, they don't actually... And nothing happens to them because they're just kids. or because there are soft-on-crime DAs. You know, I think that that's likely what this guy was thinking. And it doesn't make anything better. But do you guys think that there's any policy

that can fix this aside from people trying to get better DAs? And if that is the case, how do you get better DAs? Does it happen under Joe Biden in 2023, the Great Unifier? And Joe Biden would have told him to shoot him in the legs. That's probably what he should have done. That's exactly what you said. Shoot the shotgun in the air. Yeah, I mean, like, so, yeah, I don't, I don't see how there's, how this is going to change unless you get proper law enforcement.

And that includes, you know, the judicial side. I know it's too much time, but yeah, you need consequences and you need any consequences for people's actions. Well, so if these, how old were they again? One was 14 and 13 or something. 15 and 13. So they would have been prosecuted for. 1413, sorry. If they had been arrested,

if he'd called the cops, done everything as he was supposed to be, the cops magically show up in 10 seconds just as they're pulling out of his driveway. They're getting arrested for what? Grand Theft Auto? No, is that even? Like, it's just auto theft?

No, I'm saying, like, if it had gone that way, they stole the car, they're backing out of his driveway, the cops pull up, you're under arrest. They're in jail for, what, two, three years? I think they might be get let off because they're young. because the best thing you can hope for is that they end up in jail for a couple of years

rather than just not being prosecuted at all theoretically then supposedly they learn the error of their ways while in jail and that's like the best you can hope for because they're minors yeah I mean if you don't have you don't have proper law enforcement and that includes prosecution

and jail then you're going to have a population that feels like they're not going to be protected by the state and they'll want to take the law into their own hands and I mean there is an argument that to be made that's like look if people

don't do feel like they can defend their own property and again not in this context this context is it's clear you do it's chasing people down the street but if a society says look if you try to steal people stuff

you know then you're going you're risking some kind of self-defense situation, right? Everyone knows that if you go into someone's house, that, you know, like you said, it's generally thought of. But even that, there are some states where you're in, where you can't, New Jersey, Massachusetts, I don't know about California, but if you go into someone's home

in certain states, you have to retreat, leave the house if you can leave and get out. And that happens a lot with people when you get your concealing carrier, right? Because they have to talk about it in a lot of states. Like, even if you have a justifiable threat against your life if you get a DA that wants to they'll prosecute anyways people don't feel like they can defend them

yeah no matter what happens you're probably going if you have to use your handgun or your gun in a self-defense situation even if it's in your own house you're probably going to have to get arrested they're probably going to take that weapon from you they might take all your guns while you are while

the process is ongoing right so nobody really wants to use a gun in their in their house because the government is going to do government things. Now you can defend yourself and be found not guilty of murder or maybe they'll find that it was justifiable. But you're still going to have to pay a boatload of money, right? Like you're still going to have to pay a quarter of a million dollars

in legal fees and lawyer fees and stuff. Reputation. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's not good to have to defend yourself in court ever. it's not good to ever have to defend yourself from a violent attacker, but it is better than ending up dead. In the context, in that story specifically, that kind of hypothetical is really demoralized a lot of people where they feel like the criminals are better protected

than your average everyday working class citizens. Yeah, and I think that this is emblematic of that, whereas even though he did the wrong thing, broke plenty of laws, and it's probably justified that he goes to jail, that doesn't change the fact that he probably felt like this was justified

because the government wasn't going to do anything for him. And if the AG and everyone keeps going on this path I think I said it's a couple years ago vigilantes are going to be on the rise. It was like the couple outside of their house with the guns with the horrible trigger discipline.

Yeah, I mean, one of them wasn't a real gun. I didn't know that one was a fake. It was like a lighter. His AR was real, but her, whatever handgun she had wasn't a real gun if it was if it was a real gun it was a disabled gun like there was something that that it was a plugged barrel or something i didn't know that so all right i think we're going to go to superchats right now so smash the like button share the show with

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to facilitate hookups, even if Raymond is. Down Marine. But right now, we're going to head on, we're going to go to Super Chats. There is one guy that sent us a boatload of super chats thank you eric shaver we're not reading them because there's so many of them but you sent like six or something like that or you sent them on both youtube and rumble so we saw him and and we appreciate your is he having trouble yesterday on the

show there was all sorts of funny business going on no no no i think uh i think that he just had had money that he wanted to part with or something so uh my venmo it no i'm just kidding there you It reminds you of myself back in 2020, from Conrad Marcinic. Is that it? Marksynic? Anyways, you can say my name. Why are we not talking about arming and mandating it

that all schools should have proper security? We have the votes. Seems like reps want to moan rather than get the real thing done. Republicans do want to moan. That is generally the truth. I think that the Democrats generally say things like, oh, we don't want guns around our kids and play up the idea that kids are going to be scarred. One of the things that they like to say is things like, oh, look, if kids see guns, they're not going to be able to learn.

Part of the way that they got no guns in school zones, one of the, and I don't know that it may not have been actually, may not have been successful, but they were trying this argument. They said, look, the government's lawyers said, look, we don't think that people should be allowed to exercise their Second Amendment if you're in a school zone, because if kids are in a school, and there are people that have guns around, this will affect their ability to learn, and their ability to learn means that that will directly affect interstate commerce. They use the Commerce Clause as justification to prohibit guns from school zones. So now, again, I don't recall if they were successful, but that's what the government likes to do. They like to say, look, the Commerce Clause, that's the thing. And the argument of, you know, kids are so sensitive. And if they see guns, that's an argument they've used before. And it's the argument that Democrats make as to why you don't want armed guards around schools.

So let's see CVA Buck says I'm a computer engineer at a nuclear plant It's worse than you think Big Data is building next to rural nuclear plants And poaching employees for significant raises And mortgage level sign-on bonuses Oh wow I would like to know more

What you're talking about If hold on one second He said Big Data is building next to rural nuclear plants And poaching What kind of employees would a big data center be poaching from a nuclear plant? I mean...

Maintenance or... I mean... Or maybe to build their own small nuclear... That could be. ...to power just the data center so they have their own source. And I'm not talking janitors. I mean, like, real maintenance. No offense.

But even... Well, I mean, just when you said maintenance, I'm thinking, like, are you going to give a maintenance person a house? A bonus that's a... They have those $80,000. sign-on bonuses for DC police. $250,000 sign on bonus. You can buy a house with that. With the

trades going down to Ish, bro, I can tell you from firsthand, maintenance is a good paying job if you know what you're doing in the industrial world. Straight up. So, read this one right here, this one, right, directly underneath that. Sovereign Fish says, everyone on the show is literally just talking to each other in

headphones right now. Headlines. Headlines right now. They're putting on Dunning Kruger Clinic. They're laughably off based on the data center power consumption. Okay. Yeah, like, I'm just pointing out, like, yeah, we don't, we don't, we're asking questions and, like, trying to learn more about it. We don't know about it. That's the point. Yeah, of course we're off base. Like, we're not experts in that field. Thank you for the $10. Yeah. My background is data center analysis. Yeah, I'm, I'm not sure what, uh, what, I'm not sure what he's expecting. I mean, the thing is, is all Americans are going to be impacted if we don't have the right energy policy. So that, that, that really is. is what it comes down to. So if we don't have the right energy policy, we're not going to be an economic power as it relates to technology. And if we aren't going to open up our energy policy

and we pursue our ambitions around being a technology powerhouse in the world, then small business, hospitals, residential areas could potentially suffer because our power sources can't handle it all. So I think that's that's the impact that it has. Boom, Teresa got it. Yeah. I mean, it's like like we were saying earlier, like power generation is probably the most important thing that the United States, the federal government should be doing with the, when it comes to infrastructure, because without being able to generate enough power, we're not going to be able to compete against China when it comes to AI and AI is the actual. It's going to be the, it's going to be the the biggest thing definitely in all of our lives.

So let's see here. Shane H. Wilder says Texas redistricting bill passed 88 to 52. Texas Dems are already preparing for lawsuits on the basis of race, which will go nowhere since the lawsuit for the 2021 redistricting still hasn't been heard. Look, I mean, if they vote for it, right, if the legislature votes for it, I don't understand how they think that they'd be able to. undo it considering there's no there's no basis for this being a race issue is that white they left in the first place back couple years ago when i keep bringing it up that um chat was

telling me that you know 50 people left was that because of 2021 redistricting or i well they were they were yeah well i don't know i don't know if it was redistricting to be honest with i'm not sure i'm looking it up but yeah that's uh he's got a good point and shame knows is texas so they got to get based like uh like with the um congress and trump he could do all the eos he wants to do, but if Congress doesn't do it, then it's, then the next guy, Gavin do some F's face, it will, uh, will change it. I identify as tax exempt says, more importantly than the number of people that left California is the wealth that left with them.

Money always goes to where it's treated the best. Absolutely. One of the things that that conservatives or one of the arguments conservatives always make when it comes to raising taxes, when people are like, oh, you should tax billionaires, there shouldn't be billionaires, et cetera, they'll just leave. And the idea that they're not going to leave is ridiculous. You want, I mean, if you're, if you're going to tell Elon Musk that you're going to tax his, your tax his business, what you're really telling him is we're going to nationalize your businesses. We're going to take your business from you, right?

And he's done nothing wrong other than be successful. Do you think that the federal government is going to be able to run Tesla? Do you think the federal government could run SpaceX? Obviously not. they had NASA. They'll fail in like five, 10 years, bro. Yeah. You know, they're not going to be able to run.

I don't want them running X. I don't want them. I mean, actually, to be honest with you, I don't really care if they run the boring company because as of right now, I'm not sure the utility of the boring company. But look, Elon Musk is way smarter than me, and I'm sure he's got a great plan for the boring company,

so maybe it's just something I'm not seeing, and I don't want the federal government running the boring company either. I want the federal government running PCC. What? Yeah, that's valid. You do? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know why. But anyways, Trucker 2019 says, we don't need any more foreign immigrants in our country. We need to kick out the ones we already have here and encourage our own people to have kids, not import them from the third world. I agree. I'm not sure that we need to kick out all foreign immigrants, but definitely illegal immigrants. Those, all of the illegal, the criminal aliens, they all need to go. Do you check out his Umoticon or whatever

The little little What do you call that? Oh he wants a little more than just kicking him out More than that It's a deep profile picture Easy tiger easy Rude Can we just kick out the older people

And keep the young ones And put them in the schools We're learning For immigrants and or illegal You want to put them in re-education camps? Yes Yes Yes

Thank you That's a great way to say That's very politically correct Now they all need to go let's see the truth a says in California the state pays for the school

and the instructor to give non-English speakers the answers to the CDL test great news yet people like me who know how to drive a semi have to pay 10K for school and take a legitimate class isn't that absolutely disgusting

they will they will actually provide someone basically someone else to take the test for an immigrant that doesn't speak English but they will charge someone that does speak English $10,000 to actually go

through the class and they have to legitimately pass the test. I mean, they didn't get money somehow, right? There's also like there's like 60 years of propaganda from Hollywood telling you that if you complain about somebody not speaking English in America, you're a bad person making you seem

uncultured and stupid because somebody is in your country speaking a language you don't speak and that's kind of burrowed its way into the mainstream average liberal brain so that they don't look at policies like this having actual consequences for American citizens.

And truckers are based. They are don't listen to what Allah said last night. If you are driving your fruits and vegetables and whatnot to people in cities or whatever around the world, then you're valuable to the United States of America. What did a lot say? He's

like he thinks we put truck drivers on a pedestal. We put anyone who helps the American economy on a pedestal. And they're one of them. Yeah. All right. Smash the like button. I want to throw that in there for my buddy.

Go to rumble.com and become a member there so you can watch the after show. Head on over to Timcast.com. Become a member there so you can join our Discord. Teresa, do you have anything that you want to shout out? No, it's just been a great conversation being here. Your book? Oh, sure. You have a Twitter account?

I do. Tracker Payton is my Twitter account. Talk about your book a little? Oh, sure. So manipulated inside the cyber war to hijack election. and distort the truth. It's about manipulation campaigns. It's not just about elections. It's all different types of social issues, how AI algorithms, deep fakes, and other things kind of permeate their way around the world and impact how we talk to each other. That book sounds very interesting,

to be honest. The manipulation campaign around what's going on today, it's very prevalent. Yeah, it's interesting because propaganda has been around the world since there were two people, walking on earth, but it's been interesting to see how it evolves at speed and scale. You know, back in the day, like Russia, for example, used to have to try to embed people in America and see over a long period of time whether or not things worked. And now anybody, not just Russia, but anybody can post things on social media and see through clicks and likes and mentions whether or not a propaganda campaign is actually working. Uh-huh.

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