Timcast IRL - This May Be The Last Timcast IRL w/Dave Landau

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

Tim, Raymond, & Serge are joined by Dave Landau to discuss how Timcast IRL was started by accident, the right struggling to create entertaining art, & the employees of VICE being clueless to what was going on in the company. Dave Landau is a comedian, actor, and writer known for his dark humor and candid reflections on personal struggles. He was a finalist on NBC's Last Comic Standing & now stars in BlazeTV's Normal World. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere)  Raymond @raymondgstanley (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Dave Landau @LandauDave (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1,135 episodes of this show. Holy smokes. It's been a long time. It's a lot of work. A lot of work from a lot of people. And a lot of good times, a lot of bad times, but a lot of good fun. And this strong possibility that the show is over. Strong, strong possibility. I am joined tonight by the great comedian Dave Landau. Hello, how are you? You want to scoot over a little bit? Oh, sure, whatever you want.

Then you look better on camera. Thank you. Is this good? Yep. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, we're here at the old studio. The old studio where it all began.

Actually, it didn't begin here. It began in Jersey, but Raymond's hanging out too. What's up, guys? Actually, I was planning on not doing a show at all, but Dave's here. He traveled all's up guys. And actually I wasn't, I was playing on and not doing a show at all, but, uh, but Dave's here and he traveled all the way here. I felt kind of bad that like all of this begins to happen right when he's

showing up. And I kind of was like, Oh man, I might, you know, I don't want to screw Dave over. You're fine. I'm good at ruining shows.

So it's, I'm perfect. I'm a great guest for you. And Raymond was also here too. And I figured for the, for what the conversation is going to be, cause this is not going to be a news show. I figured it'd be good if you hung out

because you, you started as just like a fan of the show and you super chatted every day and, and then you came to work here and there's a handful of people here who are like that. Yep.

But, me too. Yeah. Serge, Serge Zewald. And, but you were sitting here already. Yeah.

And I was like, okay. And then no disrespect to Hannah Clare who was here, but I really didn't want to do a show. So I just said, it probably would be better if you didn't work on the show tonight and so apologies to hannah claire because you know she does a good job but uh yeah i think

this might be the end this might be the end um cascade failure cascade failure uh we are we are well off it is not a financial thing we make a lot of money but uh piece by piece the the the structure becomes bigger and bigger and bigger until it becomes impossible to manage. Yeah. And that's kind of where we hit today. So it's like there's a series of, you know, I would never call out anybody personally or individually. No, no, no, no. All right.

There's also legal ramifications to insulting employees. Oh, that's true. But I would just say that like compounding, I don't know, laziness. Yeah. Yeah. That builds up over time, which adds more and more workload to,

you know, me and Allison to get to the point where we're just like, can't do it. And it's tough because we've, uh, this is, this is not, this is not a, um, for, for a lot of people, they're hearing this right now. Like, holy crap. Yeah. Why is this happening?

I was like, oh, we've been talking to us for months. Yeah. You know? And then it's fascinating. Cause like, you know, two two months three months ago we're going over like finances and you know i'll break it all down for everybody uh we we we do really well uh our members you guys seriously do sustain us and that allows us to have a what i would call a safe profit margin every month that means we're capable like we're not worried that if we have a bad month

people are going to get fired or anything's going to shut down like that and that's that's why i'm always like we need members so that we can try and make new things and grow and do bookings and make things good and better and all that stuff and uh you know just the problem is even with all of that, without a proper CEO who isn't hosting the show, it's not possible. Yeah. You have to have somebody to go to that's not you. Yeah. And so. I've learned that on my own show.

Yeah. And you need a hierarchy like any business needs a hierarchy. And we have that. I mean, we don't have that many people for his company. It's like, I think we have like 30 something employees yeah and they're and it's and it's uh and they're like 10 contractors but it's largely for the external projects that we are trying to do the the issue now is we can get rid of we can we can get rid of the external projects and that's a lot of a lot of people that are part of the crew

and everybody loves. And the challenge thing is like, when we go through this and we're like, maybe we need to, you know, we want to increase the buffer, we want to increase marketing. How do we sustain this show? How do we build more memberships?

Well, the core product is Timcast, the morning show, Timcast IRL, and then the culture where we're trying to make something. And so we got to do marketing. We we gotta do marketing, we gotta do travel. I can't travel. So if I get invited to go on something, I can't do it. Because if I'm not doing IRL, I have to be dealing with paperwork

on all these other projects. We've been trying to get a coffee shop for two years, I'm done. It's over. Over. Yeah, over. And so, you know, the conversations I've had with family is like, I am under no illusions

that i have the capability to make this company what it could be it's and and i hear all these things no tim you're wrong you're wrong oh come on we've been trying to get a coffee shop open for two years yeah clearly i cannot do it i that i my feelings are not hurt when i'm like no i can't do it i skateboard every day someone i'm trying to do a nose mail not only impossible out i can't land it and i'm like maybe i'll get it one day but i'm trying as hard as i can but i'm i am not gonna cry and pretend that i can do something i can't do so you know ultimately what it comes down to is we had our our like i don't know 12th studio failure this morning the new one yeah the new studio failed and uh you know my attitude with that is kind of just like

yeah if we can't make cameras and computer work and despite all the previous failures we've had there's not a single person here who can make sure that either the studio is operating or secondary studio is operating we've gotten to a point in the company where everyone's kind of just kicked their feet up and said i'm doing what i need to be doing yeah and then that just means i'm sisyphus pushing the rock up the problem is people are sitting on the rock you know what i mean yeah yeah so that's why i was like i'm not gonna do the show tonight well what do you what do you want like what do you want out of this? That's an important thing to ask yourself. What does Tim want? Well, you know, I wanted to complain on the internet.

Well, let's do it. You know, so my... Here we are. Look at what you've managed to build. I know, it's incredible. So you've got to give yourself credit for that, so why get rid of it? I mean, you wanted to complain on the internet, you did it. I mean, you started by going out to protest, right?

Yeah, well, I mean, depends on where you say it say it all begins like i was making skate videos on youtube yeah and then that turned into after like five skate videos filming by wall street which turned into live streaming which turned into working for vice working for fusion and then starting my own company and then transforming that slowly into a podcast and then you know here we are so when i say complain the internet what i And then, you know, here we are. So when I say complain on the internet, what I really mean is, you know, I was talking to some friends of mine earlier who are pro skaters. And we were talking about why, I'll put it in my words, not theirs. I like them. They're very cool. Yeah, I like them a lot.

So for four years, we've been trying to do a show that is built around, we have this awesome property. We have skate parks we have willy wonka's candy factory or whatever chocolate factory why can't we get people to just do something because if you haven't earned it you're not as thirsty for it perhaps and i found that in my own career where it's you know i've had falling outs too with big shows which sucks you know and everybody knows that yeah so it's like it's not anything that i i didn't make obvious but at the same time you do have to be hungry for your own thing because then i hire friends and then those friends don't do anything for a year and you're like oh i that's why this person didn't like

exactly like oh i see this is the problem like you know what i think too is um i've been hearing this a lot from a lot of different people who are working uh small to large companies and i'm not going to drag their personal their personal you know business into the public or anything but no and i've regretted doing that in the past i'm hearing a lot about how there's like a talent and management crisis right now and the example that i've given because i have no connection to it whatsoever is charlestown races where they used to have this awesome restaurant that overlooks the horse track and the horses. Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you just watch the horses run to order food and hang out. And they don't have the restaurant anymore, only on special occasions, rarely.

I don't know how often they do it, but almost never. And they told me, I asked them why the restaurant shut down. It's because after COVID hit, everybody who worked there retired or quit. Nobody will do the job. They can't find anybody. So, you know, some other big companies have said the same thing. It seems like the top brass

are grinding their fingers to the bone because they have a vision that they want to do. There's something that drives them to do something. Which brings me to, you know, my friends, these friends these skaters and i said why do you guys post videos every day you have no boss and they're like i don't know i want to do it i'm like right you want to do it same as me yeah and so you do and then i think the problem we're facing as a as a country is most people do not they're they will because they have to and they hate that they do weak times weak men that what you're saying?

I don't know. I'm just saying, like... I'm pretty weak. I still do. I mean, sure. In fairness. Sure, I drive two hours a day to work, so I'm, you know, we're all ready to go. Yeah, I fly from Detroit to my job. Yeah.

I get it. But it's like, again, like, not calling anybody. I don't want to insult anyone directly, but it's just seeing someone stand around, do nothing. And then to the challenges in order to make this show operate, I have to work what is effectively 16 hours a day. So I haven't had a, it's fair to say, weekday sunset in four years.

You know, like just through the window or something, or now that we're in the new studio, there's no windows at all. I'm colorblind, so. But it's more about like the wow what if i finished work at a normal time like everybody else and just uh i don't know hopped in the car and went down to the river and looked at frogs yeah it's the things you miss out on really because i can experience but but i'm willing to work my fingers to the bone to make something happen yeah but not if we get to the point where it requires more people and we can't get to that point and it just doesn't happen so then the reassessment is

okay so the ancillary investment projects clearly are over yeah and that's just unfortunate but but the the issue then for these other shows and uh these other projects is they only exist off of the work that i do if i show up in the morning and i do my morning show i get to give a portion of the work that i do to them so that they can try and make something work and uh you know i know they're trying as hard as they can and some more sexual successful than others but it just becomes too burdensome to the point where unless they get off the ground and are able to maintain and manage themselves

and make money, we can't do it anymore. So that isn't necessarily the bearing on this show. The bearing on this show is there's a degree of staff required to run a show like this, and it's, yeah, it's,

it's, I don't know. You can't lose power and then lose your show? What was that? Like you can't lose power, then lose your show. What do you mean lose power? Isn't that what happened at the other place? No, the studio, the graphics card fried. Oh, okay.

But I mean, we knew the computer was bad. We had repeatedly said we needed to get fixed and it just never happens. Okay. So I'm like, hold on, man. Am I going to work 16 hours every single day to the bone and figuratively say i get no weekday sunsets so that someone else can be like i ain't gonna fix it well if you want to die of a heart attack very young it's a good way to go to do it i i'd be bored if i wasn't doing

something you know what i mean so that's why i'm like i'm willing to do this but this requires other people who are willing to do this, but this requires other people who are willing to do it too. And there are a lot of people here who are willing to do a lot more and go above and beyond. Like Raymond's sitting right here. Yeah.

You know? And that's why I was like, yeah, you should sit in this one. And then there are a lot of people that are like, when can I put the knife in Tim's back? Don't you find that's any level of fame though? Yes.

And any level of notoriety at this point? You can't run a company with those people in your company though. No, you can't. And I mean, if you know who they are what do you do oh you fire them yeah yeah i mean and we've had people come and come through and and and try to burn us to the ground afterwards and it's just like yeah that's that's reality and such am i not allowed to say that i should just is there what would you repeat it oh yeah oh no yeah, no, I was here like when they was being swatted a lot. Yeah, you were here for one of the swattings, weren't you? No, it was like the next day.

I just missed it by a hair. Good, good. But a lot of people don't understand too, the swattings were like cops kicking the door down and storming in and us going like, ugh. It was like our security company got a phone call. Except the first time. The first time, yeah. The first one seemed pretty swatting.

The first and like the 10th. Yeah, the first one seemed like Brett was out there on his hands and knees with his arms up behind his head. Yeah, but anyway. Yeah, the first one was like the cops opened the door and they were looking at me and they were waving at me. I'm like, what? I'm in the middle of a live show, dude. I mean, as you're thinking about

that, that was, you know, that was 40k congruent viewers that night. But that wasn't the night everyone watched an empty room for three hours. Oh, that was the bomb. You're thinking of ChairCast. That was when we had a credible bomb threat that forced an evacuation.

I'll let you in on some secrets, too. Bomb threats and swatting. I mean, I can't imagine why you're tired. I'm not tired. I want to work, but I want to work effectively. Sure. And so there are ways to do big shows. Like I can keep doing my morning show. There's no issue.

I require zero employees to do that. So I kind of feel like I shouldn't get paid less for like, so I'll give you some stories. We've had instances of people who work here leaking private information to far leftists who are harassing and stalking us oh good yeah we've had instances of people stealing equipment getting caught on camera and it's just like these things are normal i totally get it whose fiero is that my brother's okay sweet it's cool yeah yeah i'm sorry you're just you're talking about stealing stuff and i just you're like i want that fear when i got out i was like it's been a while since i've seen a fiero he does i like the red one i saw though and i just you're like i want that fear when i got out i was like it's been a while since i've seen a hero he does i like the red one i saw though and i remember i anyway i don't want

to throw you off but uh no but it's like you know this morning that's all i'm saying so it's uh we wrap we wrap the show monday through thursday around 11 yeah and then i have to go right to bed basically so that i can get enough sleep and sometimes i don't so uh then i got then i wake up around 7.30. So I can eat breakfast, get ready, come in, and then try and figure out how to get the show done. As of recent, because we want to do Culture War, that means if I'm going to balance family and these shows and have the show be effective without dwindling into obscurity, I can't do four shows a week. You can't do it right now. Everybody's got content every single day of the week so that means i need to do at least five days and then record extra content for the weekends so that i can have a persistent uh

presence on the platform otherwise youtube punishes you but it's also just about like are you a company that doesn't work three days out of the week i mean then people are going to go other places if the coffee shop is closed monday tuesday wednesday then yeah i'm gonna go there go watch elsewhere however i can't uh i can't do all of these things at the same time i can't wake up at seven go in computers fried studio doesn't work no backups were created i have no means of producing the show that makes money to run the business and i'm like okay i'm gonna have to do that i'm gonna have to make sure that i i run and maintain build the system. The first Timcast IRL studio that we built, I built by myself, all of it. Now we're at the point where we've got multiple people and

we've built this big studio. I don't know what is what. When I built the studio, I knew every output. I knew every input. Now I have no idea. So when the computer breaks, I'm like, I don't know why. know why why can't i reboot the computer i don't know and so that means i can't turn it on where's the backup system it was never set up okay well i can't do morning night and family stuff at the same time impossible so at this point it's a cascade of failures and you know straws and a camel's back where i'm like okay i don't think this can this is it and so we're not your failure though uh it is my failure why absolutely how do you see the person at the top always yeah why i mean it lies on you don't get me wrong that's what they see i mean i shouldn't rely on people if i say the computer's broken i need backup studio i should personally go and build a backup studio the problem is i can't do everything yeah that's a lot yeah but so there is something i

can do if i set up my own studio for my morning show and i can make sure it works and i can have you know youtube.com slash timcast news there will never be a failure ever again yeah the show will run every single day i will work a full day of work instead of a double day of work five days a week and i'll make a lot of money doing it without doing a single ad read all through programmatic youtube ads so if if we've come to the point where i have to build the machines and run the show and be the ceo then one of these things is i can't juggle them all sure and so it seems like the most reasonable thing to do right now is literally just go back to doing the morning show no timcast irl single hosted zero employees and then i can produce content

and that'll be it and then i have to worry about running timcast irl oh you're you uh you twice today i think you mentioned managerial uh issues yeah and so one of the reasons i've been talking about right at you no and i'm not a manager i don't know i wish i was i was just we wouldn't have this problem just trying to add somebody here i i'm not i'm not convinced i mean uh yeah well i've been talking about the managerial crisis in this country for like a year and without getting into personal issues on the show yeah so for a lot of people like how's this all happening at once it's like exactly it's like no no we've been having like managerial struggles for a long time because you have a good relationship with these guys though so it's like how do you yeah well most people here right well of course but it's like

look at it this way if everyone's 90 doing well that extra 10 from each employee that they're missing i have to do and at a certain point it's% doing well, that extra 10% from each employee that they're missing, I have to do. And at a certain point, it's not possible. Well, and the extra 10% is what each person has to do to actually get it to thrive. That's the difference between 90 and 100. Well, I mean, the challenge is, right now, the big challenge is that anybody capable of doing it will do it on their own. And that social media has created that potentiality. And that's fine but if i go to someone who is talented and capable and i say hey we need a person who can film skateboarding for instance they're gonna say i'll just make my own youtube

channel and go film it myself i don't need to work for you and i'm like fair point you're right so then we find someone and we're like what about you you seem to be able to like sure and then three months goes by and we don't do anything well what's more your passion like what's your enjoyment now do you still like doing it yeah this is it yeah and so that's why it's frustrating when i wake up in the morning and i'm like holy crap trump and the friar yeah look at i was like and then uh there's there's so much i wanted to talk about and that was a big story i i can't talk about any of it like the uh they one of the krasensteins attacked Trump saying he's attacking Kamala for not being in McDonald's.

Can he prove he was at nine 11 clearing out rubble? And I'm like, here's a picture of Donald Trump at, that was from ABC news of down on after a week after nine 11. Like Trump just said he was down there helped a little bit. Yes. Allegedly Tim Walsh is doing door dash. So you got that.

No, is that a joke? Yes. But I just want to see what they would do in return. I just stored it online. Thank you for that. But it's believable. That's why I'm like, he's doing DoorDash.

There's a Newsweek article where they're like, rumors circulate on the internet that Donald Trump's McDonald's job was staged. And I was like, do they think that Trump applied at McDonald's and then you showed up for work people are they're trying to oh no go ahead i was gonna say they're trying to kill him so what do they think he's just gonna walk in there and be like hey i know yeah some regular people yeah you don't anywhere with guns is bad even your own shrubs at your golf course

yeah and then i saw a bunch of people being like he pre-screened all the people who are getting food and i'm like yeah because there's someone to get shot what is he supposed to do yeah like well so anyway like i'm all yesterday like i'm seeing this stuff and i'm revved up and i'm like well i have family stuff to take care of i can't like i'm spending time with my family you know i can't just do the show seven days a week there was one weekend where i was like i think i'll do shows you try to you try to and then uh you know my family doesn't get too happy about that i hear you yeah you can't do it you got to be happy outside of work as well yeah i got responsibilities to other people too so yeah well you'll lose your sanity so i mean no i want to do the show

you want you want to do it but you don't want to do it no i want to come in in the morning and complain yeah and i mean complain in a somewhat self-deprecating way what i mean is there are things that i think people should be aware of and i also want to express how i feel about the current goings on and it's a lot of people like watching it yeah yeah so uh yeah i think i you know the only reason the reason i say this may be the last episode is that there's i have a bit of guilt of like the people who really are accustomed to and feel they need and that the world benefits from from us doing the show survivor's guilt is that what it is i think that's a form of it yeah i understand what you're saying 100 by folks who are waiting for this like i used to i still wait for the 10

a.m if it's not there then i'm like what the f's going on yeah yeah this show's an accident too i mean this show's a complete accident this show wasn't supposed to exist the reason why it's called in real life is because i do my morning show and then i was like i can do my morning show from the road so i went on joe rogan's show and i told him all you're nuts i'm gonna build a van and go live down by the river and i was only half kidding I told them I was only half kidding I built a van with a computer and a studio I think I remember the video you posting you like you had a van in the background yeah it's on this channel

it's a really nice van by the way folks what kind? not anymore it's a Ford like a Ecoline? it's clean F-150 or something like no no you're right it's like an Ecoline yeah and it's got it's a candy van it's got the big top on it and everything it's real nice it's solar panels air condition external air conditioning and are like secondary air conditioning off-road tires too because because he loves the van or the river i mean yeah oh yeah

you got good tires on it that's just because they said we can go premium the tires yeah yeah that's like i don't know about it actually actually no no no no the first the first tires were small oh were they and someone told me like they're gonna explode and i was like okay i better upgrade them but uh the original idea for in real life was after i finished the morning show if i just go drive somewhere i can set up and say morning show done shout out to everybody i'm currently hanging out in uh austin and and come hang out. And we're going to do Tim Kess in real life where I just talk with random people.

Yeah. I do remember that was one of the first things you talked about was like having like regular folks. Like, I guess I might be the first regular folk on the job. Like you just get people plumbers once a week or something like that. Well, the original plan was to sit down and sort of like change my mind or Charlie Kirk does.

Be like, who wants to sit down and just have a conversation and literally be like, hey, or charlie kirk does yeah be like who wants it down and just have a conversation and literally be like hey today in the news was this like hey what do you think about what's going on and i'll show you the stories and it was just to because i like talking to people but because of covid we couldn't go anywhere yeah and so i was like i thought it was because of covid was mainly the reason why you're doing that yeah couldn't couldn't travel anymore and i used to fly on two flights every week when i worked for these other companies like i yeah during covid i just kept traveling but it was it was very hard like you weren't supposed to but it's like if you're short you can just walk past people in the military they don't just keep moving you don't notice

they're looking up yeah i'll be like i gotta pee i'll be right back they're like yeah he'll come back he'll be afraid and then i just walk out the door it's pretty good i did an entire year in new york sorry if that's still a crime i guess but yeah we were in uh we were in jersey and then I would just walk out the door. It's pretty good. I did it an entire year in New York. Sorry if that's still a crime, I guess. Yeah, we were in Jersey. And then the show got very big. Yes, it did. It got big. And then I was like, okay, well, I mean,

maybe we'll do something like this. Like, don't stop now. I mean, we seem to, we're on a roll. There is some reality that I think I've talked about before though, but I used to get on youtube.com slash Timcast, the 4 p.m. video, a single half an hour video would get anywhere from 300 to 500,000 views.

Right. Your 4 p.m. is my favorite back in the day. Yeah. And I never really did any legit ad reads. So like I'm talking like daily wire style ad reads i'll tell you me neither but that's just because not a great reader well if i did sell them uh five five hundred thousand could be like 10 to 15 grand yeah for one read on one video imagine if i was getting that every single day i wasn't doing that yeah and so then i had uh youtube.com slash timcast

news and between the two of them it was like three to four million per day and so then i had uh youtube.com slash timcast news and between the two of them it was like three to four million per day and i think i was it was upwards of like 60 70 million a month damn damn yeah well and and and i will stress now like a lot of these other channels are getting like 100 to 150 million but those are those are including shorts which is a lot easier to produce so you know but uh you have a clips channel though for irl yeah the clips are on irl yeah it's the same channel yes oh it is the same yeah same channel post later yeah yeah and there's pros and cons to that it's it's tough it's hard it's like if the people are going to watch the show every night anyway then they don't need a notification

yeah ours is both where yeah you follow that algorithm but then it doesn't know if you want to be a long show or a short show and you can't figure out any of it exactly but then doesn't it change to how when people are searching for the the show you get a clip clip clip and they want the and they want the you know the 20 minute version the 20 minute version of of usually you do clips or maybe the irl but your your morning shows or anything you know the morning shows have always been segments that i would just upload throughout the day yeah and uh but so uh yeah what i was going to say is when we started irl it cannibalized the morning show so the morning show peaked at the 34th biggest podcast in the world and when irl launched half the viewers stopped watching that and started going to the

audio timcast IRL show. And I said, no, I don't know. People probably like the conversation nature of it more than the monologuing show. But same, you know. So then now the Tim Pool Morning Show, Tim Pool Daily News Show or whatever, is not in the top 200. Sometimes it jumps up to like 190, but then it falls off again. And Timcast IRL, I think, was raising like number 160 in the world.

But that's audio side. YouTube side, we do get, it's a big show and we get a lot of views. I'm 20,006. Is that what your number is? No. I'm guessing it's lower. Yeah. But, you know, so anyway, it's like, it comes to a point where it's like, now I'm working

16 hours a day for a diminishing return. Right. Where as before, I could have been getting getting 60 70 million just doing a morning show being done with work by 4 p.m being able to do family stuff plan need plan investments maybe work on skateboard videos if i wasn't doing and so so irl is basically a diminishing return where now there's just 15 tim pool videos going up every single day and only so many tim pool fans. So it's like, if I consolidated it down, would we get 40% of the IRL viewership to just watch the morning show again? And is IRL just cannibalizing? Would we lose? How much would we lose? I don't know. But the issue is the Tim Pool morning show requires zero employees,

zero management. It requires nothing. I'm not going to deal with lawsuits. I'm not going to deal with security issues. Literally just wake up, handle all by myself and run a successful show i wouldn't have to rely on members to uh sustain the staff required to do a show like this or anything you know have you been sued a lot yes i would assume yeah and not as a negative i just assume and and i'll tell you like what the problem i have with it is i think you know without i i don't want to throw anyone under the bus but i just don't think anybody cares when i say that i had to write a check for 30 grand because someone here fucked up and then it's just like uh keep calm and carry on not my fault and i'm like yo i'm i'm i'm paying myself less than this my morning show makes if i just did my morning show i'm putting more money in my pocket yeah the company has a profit that profit

stays in the company at the end of the year the profit stays there so that we can make sure that there's a buffer so the company makes money at the end of the year there's some profit it will it will go to me automatically and then i try to make sure there's money aside so that everyone gets paid. But I do kind of feel like we're at the point where it's and, and, and it all except for, so there's, there's, there's,

there's, the reason I say it may be the last is we, we had a conversation today, Alison and I about what's the most effective means of managing the, the issue. And it's okay. Maybe what we do is we end 70%. would keep tim cast irl a skeleton crew to have it operate the morning show and uh the boonies we'd have one single secondary investment

outside of the shows right and that that would allow me more time to be hands-on to make sure that it operates properly but that's more so just like yeah but doing that is still trying to justify why we have to keep working as hard as possible is your property more for your crew or because it's something you wanted the like the the like doing the freedomistan boonies show that stuff yeah it's what i wanted okay and it's like uh there's actually several big components to it skate meet skateboard meet skateboarding is dead this this it's fun the skateboard industry collapsed yeah oh for sure it did and i used to be a poser thank you oh that's well you tried well i would just get high and then i would watch my friend's skateboard

i had a cheech and chong board a minute. What year was that, 91? 96. Yeah, so like I love skateboarding. I did too, well not really. We've got, you know, some of our buddies are some, you know, big pros and they love skateboarding. Yeah, they're awesome. And everyone's like, I've talked to some of the biggest guys in the industry and they're like, skateboarding is dead. My son loves it.

Some of the biggest shoe companies are collapsing. Yeah. And that's the heart and soul of the skateboard industry is skate shoes shoe companies are collapsing yeah and that's that's the heart and soul of the skateboard industry yeah they're comfy yeah like vans and dcs and all that well it's like new balance and stuff now as well yeah vans is fine because vans is as an urban generic yeah yeah anybody will become like you can get them at kohl's you know yeah they still make dcs though yeah yeah dc is fine like mall brands are fine yeah but there were core brands

i think i think soul tech was one of them and they sold soul tech is gone yeah my booker used to work there and then there's also uh what was it um echo echo i'm here echo was that soul tech then we're not part of soul tech right so that's sold somewhere because there's world industries is that still around That's not a shoe company though. Oh, they never made shoes? Oh, no. Actually, I think they did start making shoes. They made shoes for a minute.

Yeah. Because they made cargo pants and stuff for a second. I skated a long time ago. Well, skateboarding. Well, fake skated. Skateboarding is consolidating as the money evaporates. Okay. People, and it's because you're not getting kids to skate.

And so part of it was like, well, I want to skate, but we want skateboarding to persist. We want young people to skate. We want kids to be inspired to skate. We want to cheer for that kid who lands his first kickflip. Yeah. A lot of world firsts have been accomplished in the past couple of months. Yeah. I think it was Guy,

was it Guy Curry who landed the kickflip body barrel 900? That name sounds familiar. Cause probably cause I heard him talk about it. So I'm not sure. I think it was Guy. I was going to be like, yeah. And,

but it's just, it's like a tremendous feat, but the industry is dead. And so there's two things there's my passion there's the opportunity skateboarding is in the olympics so it is there's going to be investment but likely what's going to happen is you have an olympian in your house right now indeed yeah really do yeah for real yeah i was talking to her oh wow yeah but uh if the olympics comes in 2028 and everyone just backs off, it's going to get picked up by the equivalent of a tobacco company. Like a nameless guy in a suit who's like, skateboarders should be wearing unitards. And that's where we're headed.

I think if Marlboro buys it, though, there's a chance it might thrive again. Actually, to be fair, I don't know, but they're under a lot of regulations. Yeah, that's true. I warned a bunch of skaters. The marble miles, you can get trucks and wheels. Dude, I'm like, look at gymnastics. Yeah. Do you see them wearing cargo pants?

I'm not allowed to watch them. No? Yeah, it's this whole thing. So you think they're going to take- Yeah, I'm not allowed to watch men's gymnastics. The leotards over baggy- Yep, hands down, no question. With custom, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a onesie over baggy hands down no question with custom

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a onesie where the shoes are attached like booties dude this is almost exactly what happened in skiing like almost right like hand in hand it's like hand in glove it's exactly what happened in skiing like they said oh it's not going to be all like regimented it's not going to be all serious but then suddenly the FIS is like well you got to tell us

what trick you're doing the first mogul jump and the second mogul jump if you don't tell us exactly and do that exact trick, so all the creativity is gone. There's nothing, there's no more. The sport's going to become like, like Tim's saying, like a target sport. It'll be a target sport in two seconds. So I've talked to some pros and they're like, nah, I don't know about that. Like people are going to want to do it. I'm like, I'm telling you when China says we want to win and we don't give a crap what you're wearing,

they're going to force their team to put on onesies because it's more, it's, it's beneficial. Yeah. People jam hot dogs down their throat for competition. Skateboarding still has a fighting chance. I believe that. Yeah.

I hear you. But, like my son loves it and I know his friends are starting to love it. I mean, he's nine. It's not going anywhere. You know, it's just right now the industry is,

yeah. It might turn into a target sport. Like who's quitting skiing right you know like skiing i did but i quit a lot of things that's that's unfortunate no that's why i found on a hill on my face and it looked like 20 guys beat the crap out of me no that is not it was not my it was softer snow and my ski got stuck in a mogul and then i just went down the hill like a chevy chase ball and i just woke up at the bottom oh i didn't wake up i woke up in the hospital but yeah after that My ski got stuck in a mogul. And then I just went down the hill like a Chevy Chase fall. And I just woke up at the bottom. Oh, I didn't wake up.

I woke up in the hospital. But yeah, after that, I was like, I don't want to ski anymore. It's a true story. Yeah. Jeez. Yeah, dude. I was like just bloody. It looked like somebody had just beaten the crap out of me. But it was just my ski got stuck in a mogul.

And you flipped forward? Yeah, dude. It was at Pine Knob in Michigan. You were going down moguls? I was going down the black diamond because i decided yeah yeah yeah because i thought i'd follow no and that's my brother and my friend dean decided to do it and i was like me too and then yeah my ski got stuck and then i seriously went down every mogul on my face i think i went skiing for the second time and i was struggling to go down to green diamonds yeah it's not easy.

I mean, Green Circle, sorry. I'll bunny hill it now. I disagree though. Like on a snowboard, I can go down. I've gone down a double black diamond on a snowboard in fresh powder. That's kind of easier. I've done some snowboarding,

but I'm just not, I'm not good at it. Snowboarding, I can actually, you know, get around pretty well. I mean, I guess if I tried. Like, Allison and I went snowboarding and I was, we were going down the blue, the intermediates. Blue square. Yeah, just over and over and over again and doing little jumps and going through the park and doing little jumps and stuff. Because, like, I've been skateboarding, so snowboarding seemed like the first thing to do. Everybody I knew who skated snowboard.

But I think skiing's easier it is easier skiing is easier but does uh snowboarding translate from uh no no definitely not because like skiing you have like fall line your body going there snowboarding you're turning your whole body towards the slope yeah i don't facing the slope sometimes and i feel like on skis you don't catch an edge as often yeah yeah especially i had a couple times when i first tried snowboarding like like literally yeah down you don't see a lot of happy i was wearing a helmet yeah snowboarding, like literally, you went down. You don't see a lot of old people. I'm so happy I was wearing a helmet. Yeah, snowboarding either. Like I have four rods in my knee.

I'm not going to go near a snowboard. And that wasn't even from that accident. That was just slipping on keg beer. So to bring us all the way back, because we're off on a tangent, that's why I wanted to do Castle Castle, Free Domestan, The Boonies,

is to build culture. And it's like, damn, I'm just kind of like, after four years, maybe we just can't do it. Like no amount of money is going to make it possible. if you don't have the people who want to do it and nobody wants to do it like i feel like the reality is just skateboarding is dead you need uh you need that person who every day wakes up and says i just want to go film a video and then they do it but i don't know that that exists the people who can do it i have their

own channels and they're making a modest living doing it and it's not going to go beyond that because they're like why would i do anything else so what we usually end up with is oh this guy's got a channel maybe he wants to grow in one vest and they're like no i make money i don't need to do it yeah right and that's that's a lot of things we've you know we've for the shows that we've launched obviously before we launched them we reached out to other people who are already doing shows and said, hey, we could invest in this and help you grow it. And then the deal we would work is kind of like a record label deal. Like we'll get a small percentage and then, but you control everything and we'll advertise

it for you. No, not interested. No, we don't, you know, don't need it. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm surprised by that though. I would. No, go ahead.

I was gonna say that recently. Cause it's like, I can see that being two years ago. Maybe, no, not one year, but modern world with how big IRL is and the TimCast brand. They still like, no, we're good on the run. No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, I was talking about this a long time ago. Two years ago, The Daily Wire made a pitch.

Like, hey. And I'm like, I got a company with 20 employees and we make eight figures like i remember that yeah when i came on i don't i i like with i those guys are great yeah um i respect their their honesty in business it's yeah they maybe it's because they're christians and or not all of them but not all of them one's pretty pretty much not at all but but in terms of like uh the people that I negotiated with, I'm like, maybe it's just they have scruples and they believe in something else beyond them.

They don't want to be evil. Not that they're perfect and there are people who do not like them. So that's fair. But that was basically the issue back then. It's like, I got a company. I can do whatever I want. Why do a deal with you?

And then you can do it. True, true. But I think that's that's the challenge with growing something that rivals say like disney so if you look at the way the left operates today especially is they're they're a a what do we call them like a hive of wasps or a fire yeah there's there's not i mean i mean yeah no a flu i mean whatever but like look look at how they operate they march in lockstep with each other yeah it's a swarm yeah that account like it accomplishes what it does through swarm

hive ideology the movies are bad yes they're bombing nobody wants to see them but everybody marches in lockstep agreeing with each other all the way down it's crazy but i think the problem is is i don't what is what are we delivering on the right that's what i'm trying to do with sketch that's what i'm trying to do with film like we're not making things that are bad like we just complain yeah and i i mean i just put up a movie that i made called the king and it did really well i pulled it off in 24 hours i was surprised how many people liked it because i was just that was my own nerves but still like i don't think we're putting out stuff that's necessarily relatable on the right and we're putting out stuff that people are dying to see i think a lot of it misses the

mark i mean that's the reality i mean if we actually want to rival with something like disney i mean i think you have to put forward actual stories people want to watch without agenda and i think the problem is there's always an agenda the the opportunity that's why i think uh that's what am i racist i think am i racist did well and my praise for it is because it was it was good but it was barely political you know what i mean yeah it appealed to like normal people like i often bring up the slapstick that was in it yeah exactly the pop in the glasses the title was polarizing the butter on the plate yeah yeah yeah the title was polarizing to get it and that's what i liked about it was it didn't go in the route that i thought it would yeah there's like there's a scene where matt is is serving these

anti-racists and he's trying to put butter on their plate and she's like pushing him away to not do it and he just reaches over and does it anyway like chivalry right he drops the plates on the ground there are a lot of jokes that are not it's not like i would say the movie's not politics it's actually explore it's it's it's it's satirically exploring their own their own worldview sure so you don't need to give a message other than let's do it and let it be itself. That's what I mean. I think if you're just being yourself and you're putting that out there,

that's a lot more quality because everything else operating out of that side is agenda driven. Yeah. Like it's ridiculous how bad stuff has become. But it's also like a standalone complex. Like they do that on their own is what Tim is trying to say. They just do it because they just have like this pre-programmed thing. They know how to like to achieve whatever they're trying to achieve.

They don't really realize what it is. They don't, we're not actually Marxist, but they're being controlled with people that may know more about it. They don't know. Here are a few good examples that I would consider the quote unquote, right. Despite not really Ryan Long and Andrew Schultz.

Absolutely. That I wouldn't call them political. No, they do. They do things because they want to do it. They do it for themselves and they run their own companies. Wasn't, wasn't Andrew's story that like he sold a Netflix and then bought it back or

who was Amazon? Amazon. Yeah. He sold the netflix then bought it back or who was amazon amazon yeah he sold the you know it was amazon that was his new special he did have a net look special but that wasn't the it wasn't the one okay yeah that was yeah he bought it back for a million dollars and put it out himself yeah yeah and then like huge yeah yeah and so yeah ryan's a good friend of mine he's done sketches for us and he's just somebody who he's he's making fun of the current culture yeah whatever so even like rogan all the guys who aren't right winged exactly stuff but they're they're suddenly right all of a sudden right so anyway yeah you know my my mentality right now is like if i were to do uh

my morning show and then either for like the the members that want to stick around do like a 1 p.m to 2 p.m members hang out where we do like the members only show Q&A. Not only that, but if I did the morning show and then depending on how I want to run it, setting a time. So if I recorded a handful of segments early in the morning and then from like one to two did some kind of interview show like IRL,

which was much simpler and then record a couple more segments, I could be done by four and not going to bed at 11. So the schedule for IRL also makes it very difficult. The other challenges that we have is travel, booking, like the morning show doesn't have any of these requirements and we don't do Zoom and Zoom is not good. No, it sucks.

Yeah. And everybody's like, do the Zoom interviews and it's like- Those are terrible. Yeah, it's like those are terrible yeah it's gonna suck when that takes over but it will because this is this is a component of automation where it's like it's not literal automation but if you go to a business and you say we're gonna do a show with these really great in-person conversations it's gonna cost us you know x amount per year then someone else says ah i'll do the same show with the same guests but

zero travel and accommodation costs no ancillary staff for for accommodating guests because we'll do it digitally i tell you every time what the business is going to choose yeah exactly and that's why quality fails but the problem is when you when you put two businesses to compete with each other and one tries to be in person and one is digital, digital will win every time. Of course. Because even though the quality is lesser, the output will be more and they'll bury you.

Yep. So they can be like, I can interview a celebrity tomorrow. Right. Yeah, we can't. They'll say like, I don't know when I'll be able to make it out there. I don't know if I'm going to.

You got to fly me and all that baloney? Okay. Let's say we want to get Jordan Peterson on the show and we've talked to him and he's like, I'd like to come out at this time. be able to make it out there i don't know if i'm going to you gotta fly all that baloney okay let's say we want to get jordan peterson on the show and we've talked to him and he's like i'd like to come out of this time maybe we'll figure it out if we had zoom he'd be like oh i can zoom tomorrow yeah and so these other people who want to hear that it's not as good you know what i'll do i'll just we'll we'll have the cameras give out and then i'll do all the voices and i'll be like trump and jordan peterson are here right now with me it's what's live in person I trust me you bring back Fauci just have two impersonators all the time we I made that joke with Seamus

before I was like let's just do like an audio podcast and you're you know we'll do the best show ever and Seamus will just do the voices yeah yeah so that's that's what I've been thinking about like if I were to do what I just described it requires zero staff i would actually like to listen to a show where you're just interviewing people pretending to be that person that actually would be a good show for you take it seriously the whole time though like never never let it break it is that person it actually is a good idea for a funny show i would do it you should do it i do in a heartbeat just interview people that are pretend and then i won't know tyler tyler fisher i love tyler have him do trump and then interview him as if he's trump yeah and he's just sitting there in his beard yeah i know

not even noticing that would be pretty it would be like uh between two ferns or whatever yeah you could do something like that i would do that in a heartbeat but uh do you do you enjoy irl you enjoy right you like yeah it's just heavy it's a very heavy object you know the time slot is extremely heavy yeah the uh i mean like it's a funny thing like our speakers we don't we have no idea why but a channel has been missing from them and even on the new machine for some reason a channel is missing so it's like we were playing uh two weeks i don't know what that means by the way guys so i'll explain uh the we played two weeks from while that remains and the song the first third thing of the song is just a snare drum going

because the song starts with guitar but the channel is missing so it's not not there oh so you're just hearing the bass you just oh no you only hear the snare drum and nothing else oh god yeah and we're like well we can't figure out some kind of cancellation is coming in where it's like Yoko Ono though I mean there's a market it may be that the sound is doubling up I'm not a sound engineer

but the sound they could be cancelling themselves out I think it's the output matrix I've looked into it enough in the last two or three days that's the other thing too it's like we've tried doing there's a bunch of stuff we want to do with road shows it's so incredibly difficult to do yeah i love those but yeah it's very hard to get everybody together to do one thing super expensive yeah uh we weren't able to get our election show going so uh we've

been planning for a year like this is the 2024 election we need to have a big show up and running and then if i'm not doing it doesn't happen that's actually here i can explain everything if i don't do it doesn't happen can i hold on can i uh talk back on this i don't have anything to do with the technical terminology i only know what i can do but hearing you as uh myself who's you know i used to uh super chat in like Tim you want to put a fucking TV I already swore it's whatever you already want to put

you want to put up a TV I'll come down because I'm only two hours away I'll put the TV up for you I don't I don't get that aspect like when did we want to

put we got the big screen up at Freedom of Sam right now when did we first plan that it was beginning of July because we wanted it or June beginning of June it's been four we wanted it or june at the beginning of

june it's been four months yeah well to get a tv to be honest with you to get a projector screen installed on the wall but what hold on hold on i'll do it yeah but it's already done but the thing was i gotta make some tweaks the thing was like i gave the information out to the managerial people i'm just saying that's just how it was. And then two months later, we're on IRL live. You're like, it's not up yet. You haven't ordered it. I'm like, no, sir.

Cause I don't have no say in that matter. And then we got it. It was been up. It got it. And it was up in three days after we got it. But what about the speakers? I don't, nobody told me. This is just a thing.

Like nobody, I wouldn't do it. The lifting required to make everything happen is like I have to go with a clipboard and be like mush. Well, put Raymond in charge and you won't have to say mush anymore. With all due respect though, I don't think... And it's not personal.

I just think everyone feels that they could and then they can't. I've done it. It's my history. It also feels personal. You don't know my job history. It feels personal. It's you, Raymond. No, no, but you don't know. You history. It also feels personal. You don't know my job history. It feels personal. It's you, Raymond.

No, no, but you don't know. You just think I'm a fan. You don't know my previous jobs or what I've done in my life. No, I believe you. I'm just saying like, you wanted to get it done and you handed off the paperwork

and then didn't know what happened next. Yeah, I waited. Exactly. It doesn't matter if you're in charge of it or not. That happens unless I, with executive authority, go around to everybody and say, it up raymond said by the screen by the screen which is why you said there has to be someone that succeeds yeah that's why you need some managerial position like you were saying like just exactly like you're saying tim you need someone

in that spot need a ceo who could be yeah who could be your second yeah well or third or whoever i don't know how the structure here works exactly that's you know the the issue then becomes the so usually what happens for for you know most companies like this is they'll take on strategic investment and then a guy in a suit shows up and that's exactly what we're talking about and then everyone says wow this company used to be fun and it's like welcome to the real world uh we could go that route i suppose but i don't know the you have to enjoy what you're doing like if i'm making film you're making you know if you're making i enjoy doing this you're skating you enjoy doing this but yeah i mean there has to be a passion behind it i think it's not so much that it used to be fun it's just like you have to enjoy what you're doing if they're not

enjoying what they're doing i mean there's a lot of people out there that would i mean he does you know it seems and it's like it's not my job yeah i mean that's there are people that hungry and they want it you know but people do get very complacent i'll say when yeah you know they think a lot of that well especially if you're trying to be a nice guy you're trying to run a company then you can get walked on and then you let one thing slide you might let another thing slide that's not on you i do the same thing and then eventually it snowballs and then i'm like okay this is bad you know you know one of the challenges is i'm saying it's not that it's not fun it's that what i was saying is it's like if everyone's doing 90 capacity that's that's pretty dang good but that means 10 has to be for every 10 failure has to be picked up by me or Allison. And we can't. So we can sell.

You know what I mean? I can be like, oh, you guys want to keep IRL around? Okay. Well, who can I sell to? I'm sure people would buy it. Maybe, you know, but maybe. But do you want that? I would, you know.

Because now you have a boss. Yeah. Because I feel like right now you're. That's yes with a butt yeah high profile people and talent are are are known for their problematic behaviors for that reason thank you i'm blushing right you know what i mean so it's like at a certain level there's a person who's your boss but they know that there's a difference between an employee who says we're going to fire you and a talent who says we need you to stop sticking gun under the table during

the show right and then how do we manage the talent and so it's really a cooperative effort at the highest levels of course so if i sold the show to somebody it's hey i want you guys to run this and we'll make this the best show and the biggest show ever and we'll keep it going that would be absolutely fantastic and we're gonna we. And we're gonna compromise with each other on that regard. And it's a mutual respect for the person who runs a business and the person who runs a big successful show and makes it possible. You know, as for like, you know,

some employee shows up and takes a dump on the floor, they say, get out, you're fired. One of the challenges, I hear a lot of like, well, you gotta get managers to go in there and start telling people like do it or else. And I'm like, yeah, I don't want to work at a company or maybe it's just not possible to have a company where people are motivated by fear and don't want to be there. I don't want that. That's the worst kind of leadership.

But I think that's all companies. No, no. You don't have to. Well, I guess it's always fear of getting fired. I mean, Hitler was pretty successful. You have a good leader. He's from the front. People loved that guy. That was scary.

The Nazis terrifyingly worshipped a guy who was out of his mind. Good thing we're not Germany and Nazi people. So you're saying that I should cultify. Yeah. I'm saying you could learn a little from Hitler. You don't have to take all of it. Not the bad stuff? Just the business acumen. Oh, sure. saying you could learn a little from hillary you don't have to take all of it like only not the bad stuff just the business acumen oh sure and maybe maybe the meth if you're working 16 hours

yeah he was tweaking out wasn't i heard about that oh he was they were on everything because everything was just legal in germany you just go to this well i think it was like they had it was recently discovered yes and so they're like look at this thing that makes me feel good yeah they're doing crazy yeah acid and all that stuff first time anyone's ever done it, and they're just, okay, that's insane. Yeah, there's like a video of him tweaking, and he's like shaking back and forth or something. He's like, you know what I should do? I should kill a bunch, you know. Well, when you're on drugs and your brain is fried, you know.

Yeah, you really don't know where to go, and then you're like, they're all listening to me now. I used to be a painter. I'm somebody, mom. Look at all this confidence I have. I used to be a somebody mom look at all this confidence i used to be a painter uh i've i've i know i've i know of companies that were uh well i'll just say it i mean vice was called a cult yeah the people there really didn't know what was going on outside it was it was kind of wild so i'll tell you a story they uh uh so I left and, uh, a buddy of mine under Gavin. No, no, no.

I was gone by that. Yeah. He was gone. Uh, Shane Soroush and Eddie were in charge when I was there. And, uh, nice guys, you know, Shane's a real nice guy, but, uh, I guess things didn't go very well for how he was running the show. But, um, actually I shouldn't speak. I mean, he's got a new podcast.

He's probably still rich. So good for him. But, um, what was I going to say? I totally forgot what I was going to say. Oh, the cult, the cult, right. Yeah, the cult. No, the cult. So when I left, a buddy of mine was like, he's like, I read the news every day.

And so my buddy's like, I'm like, hey, how's it going, man? How are things over there? And I got him the job, actually. And he's like, it's really great. I'm super excited. I'm going to be the lead for the news show on our new cable channel because then i'm like oh yeah i heard that you guys got a cable channel it's really cool i was like so are you gonna move to toronto and he goes what and i said you you're gonna be the news producer on the cable tv news show he's like

yeah i was like oh are you gonna move to toronto and he goes no why would i move to toronto and i was like because it's a canadian cable channel right and he was like what do you mean and i was like bro it was a rogers telecom deal canada's this was before viceland i was like they got a cable channel deal in canada and he was like what and i was like i'm totally lost bro did you not know that and he's like they just said we got a cable channel and i was like so what happened and the story that i was told is that shane has a state of the union meeting and he orders pizzas for everybody and there's like this big room everyone's hanging out it's fun because i had been at one and he grabs the mic and he says we did it we got our cable channel and they all cheer and uh he didn't say he didn't say canada he didn't say

canadian cable channel. And then. I'm sorry. It's just hilarious. Masterfully done. How about that? And so here's my buddy thinking that he's going to be on cable TV in the United States. And it's like, bro, you got 30 million households up in Canada. Like I wasn't ragging on him. You know, I was just like, oh, congratulations.

That sounds really cool. Like are you going to go to Toronto? And then he was just like, so. You should be more specific if it's just Toronto. And that's the whole, I'm buying pizza for you and everyone. There was an article. All you can afford is pizza. It's a Canadian TV deal.

That's right. There was an article written about Vice where it said, it's a cult. That people were willing to work there for free. Really? Yeah. And they had a bunch of interns that effectively worked there for free. And then the supreme court issued the ruling you can't have interns work for free they have to be paid uh you know at least minimum wage and then that changed everything for them a lot so the thing about new york media is that the people who work in these news organizations you might be

wondering why they're all elitist snooty liberals it's because in order to get a job the new york times you have to be able to work for free you want to get a job the new york times you intern there interning now is going to be like let's let's let's say this let's say the new york times entry-level position is still only going to pay 48 000 or 50 000 in new york city which is impossible nothing unless your parents are rich well yeah which is and then if you come from a rich family and your family says my daughter will be working at the New York Times. Yeah. Honey, we'll pay.

Your trust fund is fine. We'll keep it replenished and we'll pay for your condo. And then you end up with a lot of well-to-do liberals whose parents pay so they get a job at the New York Times. Yeah. They've never experienced pain or anything in their life. And then they just are able to, you know, kiss up and continue the very very exciting new york times that's right and you end up with a media apparatus in this country that is comprised of woke elitists yeah which is what it has been i mean that really is what new york is in general

i mean there's a lot of the comics too where it's like well of course this person doesn't work the road or try that hard they have a trust fund they this is just something their parents are like hey just don't od that'll be great because most of our family we're just so rich we od that's all we do and that's the crazy thing too because we talked about this a little bit before the show i've complained about this complained about it a lot like what do all these rich people do with their money drugs a lot but i mean right now i don't know what they're investing in elon musk giving a million dollars to people who, to be spokesperson, spokespeople persons for his, for the America, Save America. I saw that. I keep, I keep entering.

You've registered to vote in Pennsylvania. So in Michigan, I'm wondering if you do it because that's a swing state. I don't know what the deal is other than he said that if you're, if you're a registered voter who signed his petition and you're in Pennsylvania, you could be selected to receive a million dollars. Yes. And the left is saying it's illegal. What Elon is doing is hiring people as contract spokespersons for the PAC. The reason he signed the petition is he wants to know you believe in free speech and you'll stand for this. I saw that.

Then he's going to pay you to be a regular American who's promoting these values. Yeah. Yeah, I don't see any legal challenge with that. I'm sure he talked to his lawyers about it. Oh, yeah. I mean, chances are he's got a few good ones on staff being the richest man on earth. Yeah, I think he's doing fine.

Just a couple of them. Yeah. Yeah, but that's the question I have is like, there's a lot of people I know, especially they do big shows, like what are they doing with their money? I don't know. I would retire.

I just wasn't responsible with it for a while. I wouldn't. I don't think retirement is real. No, I don't think. I would retire. I just wasn't responsible with it for a while. I don't think retirement is real. No, I don't think it is anymore. Well, if you care about the country, you're not going to retire. Right. I care more about me. Retire is... I think of the word retire, I see a white blank space.

People that retire end up dying like five or six years later because they lost all their purpose in life. They have nothing else to live for. People need something to live for, man. Yeah, that's true. I don't really want to retire. What do you do all day? What do people do all day? I can't imagine sitting around and watching TV or just going on a

boat or something. I can see that. Or shooting guns or going on a quad. Depression keeps me in bed till five anyway. Wow. There you go. See? Once I get out and I decide to not unalive myself, I'm a real go-getter

i i'm getting up every day and saying how can i do more what am i not doing effectively and uh at a certain point yeah i'm sisyphus pushing up a rock with a bunch of people sitting on it yeah because they're they don't have that same attitude they don't have that same passion and i'm not trying to disrespect people sitting on the rock you know well yeah if they're sitting on the rock you want to you want them they should at least tell you where the rock's going or you know maybe they're not pushing it but they should do there is a hill if you keep going i'm like that's not true because i'm sisyphus yeah that's a fine push you had this you had this issue like a year ago i think because we the whole uh i remember super chatter like yo you're not the only one pushing up the hill because

i was just a fan at the time um you know now i'm here in person but yeah that's i guess it's been an um overlaying concept in your brain for a minute i think that we uh we as a company lack the talent and manager managerial capabilities to maintain this show that's it that's it's real simple like if the the show's been if the studio's been failing so two years we can't get it we can't get a coffee shop built that doesn't do the show though no no it's a company okay and then we have to just yeah so that's why i was saying one of the options was skeleton crew tim cast irl and wind it all down but you got a skate park indeed and that's why it's like i don't know what to do with it you could sell coffee i do sell coffee coffee sales are really good yeah people buy coffee a lot you mean like the actual brick and mortar is what you

want oh you right we sell we sell coffee through the show casper i know that but like are you are you referring to like an actual you just mean we have a bill yeah we have an old school historic building in martinsburg west virginia that's what i'm wondering it's been been unable to to set up we've gone through so many contractors who've ripped us off no yeah it's they're good at that right yeah and so it's just also supplies are what four times now what they were just a couple years ago it's crazy it's getting crazy yeah but yeah i think the simple way to put it is uh we lack the talent and managerial capability to maintain this show it exists along with all the other projects only succeed if i'm the one directly in charge

of it so i come in uh we've got two people who do booking we've got two people who drive guests and irl functions our studio has been failing uh we built a new studio and the computer's been failing consistently over the past few weeks and we lack the capability to have anybody with there's no initiative nor interest nor talent to complete the job to make sure the studio operates if that's where we're currently at i've gotta just shut it all down because that's like if you if i can't film myself i don't have a company right and so if i if i rely on other people to run these things and i wake up in the morning and i can't complain about the democrats

insulting donald trump working at mcdonald's. I'm sitting here being like, I'm looking at all of these posts and people are saying things and I'm like, no, you got that wrong because this article says this. Like I can tweet about it. That's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. No, not at all.

So then I'm like, okay, should I go right now and just build a new studio? I've got computers and microphones. I could just do it myself. And I'm like, well, we're not doing IRL if that's the case right there's no way i'm gonna and i can't do boonies if that's the case so none of this is gonna none of this exists and it's like you know we had the cartier family on those guys are awesome yeah on friday computer crash midstream computer computer crash right in the middle of the show wait i didn't i missed that i heard about it 15 minutes and i'm just like it's amazing like we've got a big we got a decent company here

with a lot of employees and we've consistently been like the studio's failing and then it was cartier uh cartier cartier yeah it's these uh uh these four black dudes who were like doing reaction videos i saw that okay okay so now they're trump supporters yep those guys are really cool all day they're super super cool guys okay yeah i, I saw that. Now they're Trump supporters. Yep, yep. Those guys are super awesome. They hang out all day. They're super, super cool guys. Okay, yeah, I didn't know that was the name of the family. And like... I thought of a blood diamond company for some reason.

Cartier? No, that's the watch. Cartier is a watch. Oh, Cartier is a watch. Yeah, De Beers is the blood diamond. Have you had them? You're seeking legal liability in terms of... Yeah.

Oh, I mean, allegedly are a blood diamond company. But if you want me to pitch you on my show, I will. I'll be like, let me make the best blood diamonds that a man can buy a lady. They make them fake now. Did you know that? Yeah, they're growing a lot. A lot of them. Yeah, they're growing them now.

It's like neon gas or something. They take a tiny piece of diamond and then they blast it with the gas and it bonds and starts forming starts forming a diamond isn't that cute in Zirconia though? no no no it's actual diamonds these are real diamonds it's grown diamond

yeah they grow it as opposed to making in like a chamber or something with like I think it's neon gas I'm not sure babies

in like five years I read an article ten years ago and I vaguely remember something yeah no they killed a lot of people for the diamonds oh sure

yeah so I mean so I hear not that company of course yeah allegedly the chair just the chair just broke the chair just falling apart right and left you see what's going on i'm a little i'm a little nervous talking to him i don't know what's going on you know trying to figure out what's going on and how i can help and i didn't know i was going to be here pleading my case to help uh keep tim i don't i don't i think it's like uh you got a boat with a bunch of holes in it. I got 10 figures. You're a fan, though.

What do you think? I think. If you don't mind me. And I'm also an employee. Oh, I think we sell or shut it down. You sell it or shut it down? One or the other? One or the other.

Are you open to having someone inside or not like a CEO but someone coming to clog those holes up for you? I don't know. I'll hurt people for money. That's something you should think about. No, you won't. No, I'm nice. Cars

can be weapons. I'm glad you put May real quick. I'm glad you put May because I think we can salvage I don't think there'll be a show tomorrow we're going to need some time we've got to have some meetings which we should do

I don't know I think likely this is the last week but then you still have your show though I'm going to take the components that we have just this is the last week but then you still have your show though i mean in your morning show yeah yeah so i'm gonna take the components that we have we've got like we have millions and millions in equipment jesus probably post that yeah and so it's like if a studio breaks and i put a bit of it in my car yeah i'm just like well this company is is dysfunctional yeah we make a

lot of money like money's good but it kind of feels like we're spending money to spin our wheels if we've got this much equipment, all these really great cameras. There's even cameras over here. Which one is that? Is that a red? That's not a red, is it? No, those are the Blackmagic cameras

I brought from the studio. What is that? Dude, we got a brand new one in the room next door. We just upgraded our mobile cameras to A6s. FX30s, the same ones we use in the studio right now. What is the whole deal over there? This is Richie's, Richie Jackson's. The possible future boonies.

There you go, you can kind of see it in the shot, everyone. Yeah, it's ridiculous that it's very gold. It looks like a furniture store in a mall that's close. Can you get a camera shot of that? I got a little shot working here. That's still good looking. It looks like every house I've ever been in in dearborn michigan i think

i think you know look um we wanted to launch other shows and make other properties uh and some of them do decently well and some don't but i think the issue is just like this is probably pushing the limit of what i as a a CEO and host, can accomplish on my own. And so that means we bring in external management, which would be a strategic investment, partial buyout. And then you'll end up with another company running everything. Okay. Pretty much. Yeah.

I hate that sound. I don't like it. I think just... I don't know what... And then what happens is... I can lead people. I've led many people. Throw me.

Don't... I'm just saying. I got no choice. Guy in a suit guy in a suit shows up and uh i just think the cost is too much i think i think there's no way around it we've got to shut everything down and if we wanted to salvage irl we got to get it back down to two employees okay are you on the spectrum and i don't mean that as a negative i would i would believe the answer is no. Okay. Because you're very, very like, yeah, like very direct. Yeah, my friend, Matt McClary is a... I think that's exasperation, not autism. Okay.

Well, maybe that's true. Maybe. Because we've not talked about this stuff on the show before. Oh, you've never done it. Okay. Yeah, like I've never been on the, I've never come on and be like,

I think I'm gonna end the show. You know what I mean? This is our first. Well, you have. It's a blanket term. You have a couple times to me. But it's some dark holes like i said like a year ago you had like a whole week of where you were like in the down and dumps and it was like don't give up to me that's when you're talking about picking up the rock up the hill yeah that was like

it's a compliment i mean my friend matt's like that that's why i'm wondering like maybe it's just something like it's not the first time someone's asked me if i was on the spectrum whatever and i was like why do you say that and they're like well it's because like you're you're very focused and well yeah it's not like hey you're eating crayons no but i'm like is the implication that your average person who is not on the spectrum is incapable of being a ceo or like you have to be autistic in order to be a successful business i think you have to be kind of a sociopath at time not you but i'm just saying like a lot of people that are in leadership positions there is a sociopath kind of narcissism like a little bit otherwise i don't think that anybody can be

successful i'm a comic you're a youtuber let's be honest there's some narcissism in the room whether we want to admit it oh this whole show is like right i think people should hear what i have to say yeah so he's complaining on the internet we can admit that it's there but i think like my passion is that i feel strongly and i think other people need to hear what i yeah yeah this whole thing is and that's how you built what you built yeah successfully built on you need to yeah you need to but i gotta be honest i don't think it's narcissism if you're right okay i mean yeah i'm only half kidding no i got you you know it's like people should hear what I have to say

and they liked it yeah so clearly I was correct yeah it was logic not arrogance yes no but I

a lot of ranting too did well people love the rant but I think like serial killers and some CEOs kind of test on the same sociopath levels

it's just very hard to murder a lot of people these days with all the ring cameras no actually the uh the ceos are probably bigger there there may be ceos that are bigger serial killers than serial killers yeah if their means of killing is through circuitous methods and i'm not kidding no i know you're not i'm not either for one of the dark yeah there may be a ceo who's like if i introduce this product we can see 3 000 deaths per year and

start laughing about it you know oh yeah well i mean there are people that actually have those jobs where they have to decide how many people die or do we get the airbags fixed right that's crazy yeah it's a rough job fight club fight club is yeah when he does the equation if the cost of a lawsuit is greater is the cost if the cost of a lawsuit is less than the cost of the recall they don't recall yep and that's just insane they have to make that choice they're like i guess this baby seats flimsy yep that's wild man yeah dude it's crazy but somebody's got to do that job see they're doing their job so somebody here

could make sure a computer works for you so like let me let me let me grab a switch here real quick so i can help you so uh blake says bro why do you keep saying you make so much money, but then refuse to hire some people like L, like IT? We have IT people. It's because the answer isn't spending money. Money is never the answer. You know, I've met a lot of people in my day who say things like, if only I had money, I could do X. And I'm like, that is not true for literally any successful person successful people got hired or got their jobs because they were doing something already

right so uh like my first youtube video for the first three months of me making youtube i was losing money and i was like i don't know what else am i gonna do i'm like kind of bored let me record a video and then uh record some videos the views started to go up. And I did the last night in Sweden thing. And that was like a few months in. And I had one big hit. And I was like, I'm in Sweden. Now I'm getting a bunch of views. And that generated a bunch of buzz.

And then once I got back, I was finally making like two grand a month or something like that. And I was like, hey, look at this. I'm not losing money anymore. My savings is no longer burning up. And then I was like, let's just make more videos and see what I can do and i was doing for like i don't know like a year it was probably just one 10 minute video every day at 4 p.m that was it that's all it was and i was probably making like 60 70 000 a year and i was like just doing one 10 minute video yep one 10 minute video and uh it started to go up and then i remember off of one 10 minute video i was in i was in jersey i was

in bayonne and i hit six figures and i like when i was working at disney i was getting paid uh a bit they pay me a lot of money what did you do at disney what didn't i know so it was fusion it was abc news univision joint venture oh gotcha okay yeah and i was one of their senior talent and that was a ridiculous company but so when i left i'm like i've got a lot saved i had a couple hundred thousand dollars that i had saved getting paid all this money from this company you know i basically saved all my money always worked advice saved it all then went to fusion saved it all and when i left i was like okay so several months the money's just going down and i'm like i'm sitting there thinking like man if if i don't turn this around if i keep invest if i use this money only right now to live

maybe i can stretch it out for four years you know what I mean? And then try and find ways to make money. If I invest and try and go the media route, I'm burned out in a year because flights, hotels. And then after the Sweden thing, I was net positive like two grand every month. And then I think it was about a year after that. I looked, it was back when they had, when full screen was around and they showed the daily amount of revenue every day. And I saw that it was like 50 bucks a day. And I like holy crap i'm getting 50 bucks a day yeah as long as i don't

spend 50 bucks a day i'm making money and uh i just did it because i wanted to do it and then what happened was a lot of people were creating secondary channels in case they got the first one banned which is stupid because it still breaks the rules yeah so i made timcast news youtube chose the name too like oh yeah well so uh i had a google plus page or something and then it turned it into i it's i don't know that's why youtube youtube.com slash timcast has tim pool and youtube.com slash timcast news has timcast right your news is your news is your 4 p.m and your pool is your one in nine the pool was 4 p.m but you don't do the news anymore right yeah i do yeah i do the morning show oh right oh no no you mean like

you mean like going out on the ground correct yeah no no it's impossible okay people were screaming in my face like people would find the live stream and run up and start dancing and be like look at me look at me and they'd like look i'm on twitter and oh yeah you can't do it you can't do it but uh so i created a secondary channel and then I was like maybe I'll just play like a Hearthstone like I like Hearthstone I'll play Hearthstone videos

and I made a video got like 3,000 views and then I was like nah that was ooh I know I'm gonna make fun of Don Lemon so I made a video making fun of Don Lemon

and it got a few thousand views and it was fun because he said he said he said the Malaysian airline may have been swallowed by a black hole which as we know

today by that one Lizzo that one guy on Twitter maybe might have been with the a black hole which as we know today uh by that one uh lizzo that one guy on twitter maybe might have been with the little swerklin that's right yeah and so then uh true i don't know no it's not but so uh didn't they find it i thought they found parts yeah i thought they found parts okay that's the thing when something goes missing you never find the whole thing that's right that's even if it's like a kid i don't i don't know why i said that look you just need enough foreclosures all the saying right right like a shirt right like a shirt or a fuselage yes yeah but anyway uh i just decided i'll make a couple of extra clips

there are a few stories i saw today that i thought were fun but I didn't have enough to actually make a full thing on. And then all of a sudden, like within like a week, I was getting 50 to a hundred thousand on each of them. And I was like, holy crap. And so I was like, I'm going to make more of these. Each video? 50 to a hundred thousand views. Okay.

Yeah. I wish. I was going to say on a video. No, no, no. I'd join an OnlyFans. No, they were like, it was like a hundred, 200 bucks. And then I was like, yo, this is wild. What happened? And so I started making five videos on my second channel and one on the

main channel and i was getting like holy holy crap by uh the beginning of maybe like 2019 or whatever was when i not became a millionaire but when my set when the amount of money i made for the month officially hit if i keep doing this i'm a millionaire yeah it was wild and then joe rogan calls me out invites me on his show and is he a podcaster i've he might be okay i thought you were serious for a second there no dude i may ask a question uh in that was your uh first video the uh the one you talked about the um the twitter people or was it the first video that when you talk about war and cut you covering war all the time what one you talked about the um the twitter people or was it the first video that when you talk about war and cut you covering war all the time what do you mean first video with you had two joe rogan videos at the time but you the first one i think there's four now you were talking

about um ghana and a bunch of war and stuff going on i didn't i never seen the twitter one when i first watched it yeah that was rogan yeah oh way pre-rogan that was that was before vice yeah and then after wall street i did a year of just like covering protests and doing social media yeah i forget what then i joined vice yeah yeah i was like i was on the verge so i had three deals set up it was vice google and al jazeera gotcha and then uh oh you were al jazeera well so they they offered me social media manager is that where they film Al Jazeera? No, no. That's more Persian, I think.

Yeah, that is Persian. You know what? It is Persian. Yeah. It comes with a white BMW. Is that what they drive? Yes, it is. All right.

Yeah, but I don't know. Anyway. No offense to Persian. It's a nice car. No, yeah. You just don't all have to have one. I'm not insulting Persians. It does look like, you know. No, it looks fancy.

It looks like what you see in an Iranian consulate. Oh, for sure. Yeah, like you definitely, a lady would be sitting there well-draped. Well, not at a consulate. It would be a man well-draped. Oh, that's true. Wearing white. Yeah.

I think, actually. I'm not sure about Iran. I don't know. I've never been. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Iaring white. Yeah. I think actually, I'm not sure about Iran. Maybe. I don't know. I've never been. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Anyway, IRL is an accident. Here we are. It, it grew and grew and grew. It's a, it's a heavy lift requires a lot of work. We,

yeah, I just think, you know, maybe, maybe it's too much. Maybe I do the morning show and don't have to worry about it. That's crazy. I mean,

I remember when I watched you probably 2018, 2019, when you were doing those single videos by yourself and then i think i like messaged you saying the sound was messed up so people in chat i've been there before and then i think you responded to me and said yeah come fly out i flew out i fixed it one time didn't take the job at first came back later on then eventually came on the team so i never thought i'd be here especially seeing this happen right now which is crazy. I mean, you built it all. Do you want to really get rid of it? I mean... I mean, I shouldn't say that.

Streamline it. So that's like, imagine if Sisyphus pushed a snowball up a hill. Eventually, the snowball's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and now he's holding this gigantic boulder and he's pushing it more. If you believe in science. And it's like, hey, you've got this massive boulder. You sure you want to just let it roll down the hill? And it's like, well, you know... It hurts. I donoulder you sure you want to just let it roll down the hill and it's like well you know it hurts i don't know yeah it hurts i'm struggling with this thing i'd like to get out of the way before it falls on me i get that but it seems

like you're profitable like well yeah i mean profitable very yeah so uh that's that's how we have ancillary investment right right that's how we're doing these other shows so you like but i can't manage them and i can't succeed unless they have a CEO managing them. Okay. So you need someone there. So it's like, I don't, I'm not going to be able to do IRL, the morning show and manage outside investments. And so at this point it's kind of like.

You need a bad guy. That's what I was saying. I mean, you do. You just do. One option is selling. Sell the show to somebody. We've talked about it before it's like yeah but then what happens like what what are the requirements of a sale what does

that mean for the show maybe there's someone we know and trust and we're comfortable with running running it and operating it i don't know or it's just like the the question of keeping everything going is do I have an obligation to everyone else? I mean, I'd ask your fans. I mean, for the people... But no. More for the viewers. You have more obligation to the viewers than you do have anyone working here,

in my own opinion. But it is your life. Right. So it's a question of... And if you're not living your life right now... Sorry, go ahead. No, he's right. I was going to say,

more to the fans than anyone else, but you are your own person. You should do what the fuck you want. What is the, what are we here to do on this earth? You know, this is the happy- Dance. Stop commies. Well, if the answer was be happy,

then I quit everything and I go sell lemonade- I got it, I got it. To plant the tree that others can see a shade of. Well, that's what, that's a good answer. To make a better future. Is it duty to others for the success of- Someone's gonna chop down your tree. they can just like no yeah steal your lemons yeah that was an apple tree someone's gonna kick over your lemonade stand and their deer

they're gonna get their lemonade from china yeah you need to be priced out that's another thing people don't realize the uh that you want to you want to learn about evil you just get fame yeah it's it's a lot harder to see the evil when you're closer to the ground and I don't mean that disrespectfully to the average person who just lives their life but wow the higher you climb the more evil so it's you know when you're close to earth

and you're on the ground evil overlooks you because you don't matter at all sometimes evil will target an innocent person and just kill them in the street things like that right but for the most part there are a lot of people who you may encounter a demon i mean figuratively on the street and they'll say nice things to you and they'll pass you by and they say there's but once you're climbing atop the tower and the demons start all start seeing you and screaming like banshees throwing knives at you and trying tearing you down it's pretty wild it's got an allergy well that's you know i mean and

i've heard that too i think it's a denzel washington ai but i mean it is true down it's pretty wild it's good analogy well that's you know i mean and i've heard that too i think it's a denzel washington ai but i mean it is true that it's like once you hit to a certain point there's a reason why somebody's going after you it's because they want something i mean obviously so or they just hate you and they're disgusting people which are a lot of people unfortunately but that's that's what sucks about any level of fame and it's like they will come after you and they do hate you and you just kind of have to one day go i don't really care but there's a part of you that always will a little like there's no human being but this is not the evil that i'm talking about no i'm not talking about someone steal from you take from you and like kill you

basically you mean backstabbing too as well you mentioned earlier today uh yeah trying to murder you yeah you know literally yeah yeah things like that that's and that's just and i apologized for that but we we've been over this and i forgave you so you're right i appreciate it yeah so the question then is like if if if we are here just in service to others then well then i need to find a way to keep doing some form of TimCast show that people think is important and want to keep watching. Yes. And I can't have my head explode doing it. So likely that means this show, which is an accident, has reached its culmination.

And it's odd, though, because the way you explain it is everything is quality quality over quantity but we're not dealing with an algorithm like you said where a lot of it is just quantity it's it's it's legit pure quantity right now and that's what sucks yeah is that why you're short you're just doing like you're the other day you say you're trying to be like 12 shows 15 shows a week or something crazy well got it it was always this way and so yeah i'll let everybody on the secret i remember when i first I first started the morning shows and my views were skyrocketing and the money was skyrocketing and there were other people being like, how is Tim Pool doing this?

How is he getting so much? And I'm like, I'm not going to say anything to anybody, but you're making one video a week. I'm doing six per day, every day, seven days a week with no days off. You did three between seven and eight or six and seven every day. I remember those days.

Yeah, six, six 15 and six 30. And is that to just capture the algorithm, right? No, that was just, it was- Or because it was just, you were doing it because you liked it. I had the time to do it. I had the energy to do it. I'm going to do it. Yeah.

But then what I discovered is the front page of YouTube is basically, it's a raffle ticket, you know, cage. Oh, sure. You know, you spin it around and you stick your hand and you grab a ticket. If I'm doing six per day, seven days a week, and you're doing one per week guess what every time someone sticks their hand and they're pulling out a timcast video so if you watch one of my videos and then click refresh guess what there's six more per day and so why so there's 10 slots on the front page you're going to see timcast more often i'm going to get more clicks i'm going to get more views

the more views i get the more i'm going to get recommended i'm going to beat all of you out yeah just a numbers game right now the channels that are doing the big numbers are just going nuts on shorts and YouTube has basically... So what are the shorts that people are producing now that really do work? Find a viral video

and then say, this is crazy and then play the viral video. We've done a couple of those. Reaction to songs. For a short, for a one minute. Oh no.

For the one minute shorts. Can you believe this happened yeah it's just yeah to be to be honest the funny thing is to pull over and you're like what but the host reaction really does make a video work like make the short work so looking at like when we've done shorts if we play a viral clip and just the viral clip nothing if if i were to say guys watch this people will say okay it's kind of wild how that works with shorts. But then like the content is becoming super lowbrow. But that's how you generate subscribers.

That's how you do it. Right. Agreed. I mean, that's everywhere. I'll tell you another big problem with this. Another straw on the camel's back is not just the business elements, but looking at the content that's being produced in this space probably suggests all the more reason why we should keep going but also massively makes me want to get as far away from it as possible because i was talking about this a couple weeks ago people are making

fake videos now and youtube's promoting them yeah and i wonder if it's intentional so like there are videos where uh person a and person b left and right and it's a clip from three years ago and a clip from a year ago and they're edited together to make it look like they're they're arguing i've seen i heard i saw one of those is that true they're doing that shit stuff i heard that i mean i went on the front page of youtube and i saw two different ones yeah and it was like here someone made a video about me using a clip of me from three years ago someone made a clip of me claiming that jenkuger and i were fighting and i was like we're not fighting what like we're talking with jen about coming on the show but like how was there this video from yesterday where it's like tim pool fighting jen kuger i'm like i haven't talked to the guy in

like a year two years since he was here well if you look at like you rogan the cottage industry that has come of hate for sagura stuff like that there's a whole thing now that just exists to hate the people that are oh yes well sam Seder's a great example of that. Yeah. Like, I'm pretty worried about him, actually. Yeah, he's the one that always wanted to debate Crowder when I was on the show. Yeah. And then he did that stunned butt switch. When he brought in that other guy from...

I'm worried about him, because if we don't do the show, I don't know how he's going to feed his family. He's going to... See? Well, the other day, I was watching... It was maybe three weeks ago. Abbott & Preach, they're a big YouTube show. I don't know if you guys know them.

But they did a clip of Tim talking about dating from five years ago. It was forever. It was like four years old. That's what I was talking about. Old school, like, you know, you had the things in the background, the blue and red. The blue and black. The blue and black.

Little studio waffle. But they did a whole video on that talking about that's how you're how you were today and everyone to come it's like what are you guys fuck it's all fake like what do you why would you why would you pull up a five-year comment because back in the day because the whole like and youtube's youtube's promoting this heavily yeah you like if you go to the podcast section there's i mean look and it's not just me it's like i see people making fake videos about david packman fake video like yes and i'm just like damn dude a guy with 150 000 subs has built his subs off being like if i can't find the rage make the rage but this is this is the nature of business

if you i talked about this with uh the death of media and why huffington post beats out say the new york times the huffington post uh when I worked at Vice, I was explaining this to people, why media was dying. And it's been dying consistently. If you go to an investor, say, I want to launch an investigative journalism outlet and we're going to tell the people the truth. The investor says, okay, what do you need?

He says, I'm going to need $350,000 a year for just two investigative journalists and their budget. And he's going to say, okay, and what do I get at the end of that? Well, we don't know. We could investigate for a year and find nothing. Okay, well, let's say you do find something. Well, I mean, if we're able to, if it hits and people care about the story, maybe we can make our money back.

And they're going to go, uh-huh. Then Huffington Post walks in and says, you give me $350,000. I'm going to write a bunch of stories about how cops are racist and I'm going to make a million bucks in a month. And he's like, I'll write you a check tomorrow. That's happening now. So if you're a podcaster and you're going like, I want to produce legit

honest commentary. Well, I got bad news for you. Some days are slow news. But don't worry, if you have no scruples, all you got to do is pull a clip from Cenk Uygur from 10 years ago and make the video claiming it was today and then people are going to watch it and there you go congratulations well we do live in such a time of parody though like we did a thing last week of the men of uh voting for kamala after that commercial yeah and like mine's you know i think that was a good one thank you the real thing wasn't a parody wow you're super gay oh yeah well you have alex

stein as an indian and then i'm literally a leather man you know and then people are commenting like these aren't real men you know he's so funny taking it completely seriously but that's fine no no it's fine that it's like it's funny that it tricks some people i mean clearly they didn't watch it's not supposed to and if they did they're the dumbest people yeah it shouldn't trick you i'm sorry but i mean the first one did seem like a troll when the guys you know sitting cross-legged at the end of a truck and just being like, yeah, just going, hey, like, I'm a rancher. Yeah.

And you're like, no, this isn't good. Those aren't real. Yeah. But even in a parody that you're doing it deliberately, some people do take that as real news. Like, it's kind of shocking how dumb. Yeah. I don't want to say dumb. That's an easy thing to say. But it's kind of shocking. You know, dumb. Yeah.

I don't want to say dumb. That's just, that's an easy thing to say, but people are gullible. It's true. Because things are so crazy right now. I think it is kind of hard to tell what's real and what's fake. I don't, I,

you know, maybe it's a, maybe like, you know, Ryan was saying earlier, good times make weak men. And so we have a whole bunch of gullible fools who grew up believing everything they were told. And, you know, gullible is written on the ceiling right there above Raymond.

I was going to look over. Did you really just look? Because I thought it was a setup. And I was like, no, it's not a setup. Maybe it is a setup. Nope. I got it. Fucking Tim.

But, yeah. Anyways. It says Mussolini. Weird. Well, and that's also not. It's a compliment about you. I'm not looking anymore. He's looking again.

Well, you looked already. You know there's nothing else. I barely looked. I did like a half F you like last time. Half F. Like when Trump looked at the eclipse? Yeah. 90% of the time I would have looked over, but I just knew.

But maybe it's not gullible. You know, week time's just the... You need to find someone. You need to maybe, I don't know, who you need to find, but just get some old school Gen X people who worked hard their whole lives. Nah. Millennials, they've done the same thing too. There's some getting Gen Z's.

I think I get a Class A. I do the morning show and drive around. And then I work normal hours like everybody else. Yeah. Make a morning show more robust because I don't have to worry about all the extraneous activities. Yeah.

Aren't we living in kind of hard, soft times? A little bit. When you break it down. Now you may say it. So straw side generational theory is that we are entering the hard time. Okay. And so things are getting increasingly more difficult

because, you know, I got to give a shout out to Dickie Baird again, but I have to issue a correction actually, because I got the lyrics wrong when I explained the lyrics to the impression that I get. It's, I'm not a coward. I've just never been tested. I'd like to think that if I was, I would pass.

Look at the tested and think there, but for the grace go I, might be a coward. I'm afraid of what I might find out. The song's from 1997, and Dickie wrote it about how his generation experienced no hard times that the generation before had vietnam and these great crises and they grew up in the nine like they were reaching adulthood late 80s into the 90s and they're just like everything's great it's a goal

it's a golden age and that's what he's saying better not you know i better knock on wood because i know people who have he was saying knock on wood because if you're if you're calling for this challenge it may come to you but those those good times led to the millennial generation being a particularly weak and fractured generation, which is resulting in failed policy, crime waves. Really great examples. I predicted Bud Light. When the Bud Light thing happened, it happened and we all saw it. I predicted that it was going to turn out to be some millennial woman who had recently gotten promoted the position and then decided to turn the company gay and that's exactly what it was when the gen xer or the boomer who had been running marketing and all the frat bros and

everybody loved bud light as soon as they walked out and they brought in the millennial man she was like we want dylan mulvaney and then nuked the brand. Oh, yeah. From what I could tell, it did very bad. Yeah, people were not a fan of her. Nobody still likes it. I mean, it's still like... Bud Light's still done. Yeah, yeah. None of us men really care anymore about Bud Light. They brought on Shane to try to revamp the image.

That didn't change anything. And Rogan and Shane were chugging Bud Lights on the show. And UFC too? Did UFC do a thing? Yeah. And it's like, my attitude there was take it and claim victory say we win yes and nobody wanted to win take it back but nobody wanted to yeah joe rogan was like dude who cares it's beer and i was like you guys gotta be on rogan's side in this one because he's reaching regular people yep but a lot of conservatives they want to do it but you know if i wasn't recovering elkie i would i'd do it just because i liked it

if i was interested in piss water i'd do it just because I liked it. If I was interested in piss water, I'd consider it. It is kind of crappy. Very crappy. Yeah, it's what you buy when you're underage. Once you, you know,

can afford something better than Natty Ice. I grew up in Natty Ice. Right? Oh, yeah, me too. 14, 15, 16. Oh, dude. Well, I wasn't drinking that.

I wasn't drinking when I was younger. But when you're going to college parties, it's Natty Light or whatever. Oh, yeah. Same thing.

That's awful. It's called Natapol, guys. It doesn't matter. It gets you drunk. Yes parties, it's Natty Light or whatever. Yeah, same thing, Natty Light. It's called Natapult, guys. It doesn't matter, it gets you drunk. Yes. It's 5.9 and it's shit beer, but it's 5.9 for shit beer.

Oh yeah, it's terrible, yeah. It's like the beast. You're like, wait, I get 30 things that are terrible instead of 24?

I remember the first time my buddy brought Delirium over and it's like the opposite. Oh, that Belgian beer? Oh, I don't know if Delirium. 10%.

10%. I think it's 10%. Is it more than that? It's high. It's like thick. It's what I love. It's called Illyrium, guys. It's Illyrium.

It's a wild beer. It's a wild beer. Wasn't the artist of the bottle the same one that did Fear and Loathing and a lot of Oh, on the outside? Yeah. I think you might be right. That's true. Yeah.

It was a bit lower. It was definitely meant to mess you up. It worked every time. Yeah. Are we doing super chats tonight uh we'll grab some super chats i guess just i figured i'd ask because i you know there's a lot of them there's too many i can't read well everyone's gonna tell tell you how much they love you and hope that you can uh work it out in your brain and all that good stuff commander

crunk says tim i really don't have the money to chat but i'm going i'm going to please don't give up you are one of the few people i trust in news the world needs you well so the idea is i would do the morning show i would i would i so one of the challenges is that i'm like i'm sitting here going if if if if i did one show and got 150 000 like on the audio side we get about 100 on irl and like 50 on the morning show like spotify yeah itunes spotify when we've done no promotion for it so we've recently brought on someone to do audio and start getting promotion because we're like, if we're the biggest on YouTube, we should certainly, but we haven't promoted anything, so nobody knows we're there.

But I'm like, if I did one show and got 150K and we're like, what is this? Oh, Ian. He's here. Welcome, Ian. Hey, what's up, dude? He must have just turned in and heard what was going on, man. Were you sleeping the whole time? Okay. Dave. Michael, sleeping the whole time? Dave.

Michael Landau. Highway to Heaven. You need a microphone, Ian. My brother's name is Michael, though, so that works. Were you asleep? I was. I thought Hannah Clarence and Seamus were going to be here, so I was like, well, I guess it's a full house.

We'll take the night off. Half-assed. I was having a dream that I was playing music with Nick Fuentes man what the fuck what's going on hey do you know who I am

I just woke up Ian's worried he's gonna miss the last one I was dreaming of this song with Fuentes and he was great

and then I logged on and I was like I'm quitting the show and I'm like no no we gotta just change the format we gotta play music got to play music.

We got to play music. We're going to jam, dude. How are you guys doing? Great to see you. And my point is, if I do one show and it consolidates viewership, gets more reach, and allows me to focus better, then maybe that's a better way to go about doing it. I would think we got such a good opportunity with just 8 p.m. and us. We could do life change.

Like, I'm going to go to North Carolina and help with cleanup. A friend of mine is doing cleanup stuff. Like, good humanitarian stuff. We could be playing music. We could be doing all sorts. Like, we got 8 p.m. You're such a bright lady.

And God, it was like 50,000 people. It got any Kramer vibes. Yeah. It is Kramer vibes. Bang, bang. But he's bringing light to us. He needs a Danny Masterson. So you're thinking that it's just the 8 p.m.

I can't help it. It's all I do. I don't know if you've met me. I'm sorry. I know you're good, man. No, we love it. We love that you came up. You're saying the 8 p, 8-10 politics format is

burning out? Is that what you guys are feeling? Is that what you're talking about? No, no. The issue is the studio broke. What happened? The studio broke. I don't know. It's been a cascade failure on the studio and it's like

it's not just about that. It's that for any project, unless I am in charge of it to the T, it doesn't just about that. It's that for any project, unless I am in charge of it to the T, it doesn't happen. Yeah, micromanagement. It's very centralized. So you can either let go and have all these different managers

try and run all the different- Doesn't work. We don't have all these managers though. We've attempted management. The same thing happens. It stops working. Some people will hire, like Elon hired a CEO to run Twitter,

and he's like, look, if you mess it up, you're out. But in the meantime, I'm the owner. I make all the final decisions, but you're going to run everything. I don't have time for this. And then he'll come in and just do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Oh, hey, look at this. I just heard this. Matt Christensen and Blonde, they quit last night.

What's that? He had a live stream that he would do. Matt Christ's a youtuber yeah i've heard the name yeah but i guess i mean look i'm saying i can uh just do my morning show and not have to not have to worry about anything else and then i can get the job done yeah trying to do two shows in one day is a diminishing return with the with the burning the candle at both ends god yeah dude we could do like dude we could play games at eight we could do like if you want to do it for free we could play music well the thing is there's 50 000 people that are going to come watch no matter what 60 right now yeah like if you do that's not true dude from

eight i mean we're not gonna we're not gonna, dude. We're not going to turn anything. I'm not talking about crap or something like that. But I'm talking about quality content. When we did music on Fridays, and if we do, the viewership will drop from 60 to 30. Yeah, they like hearing the news. People like hearing the news. Well, they're here for a news show. Nobody sticks around for Gem Night?

Like half of them. Okay. You know what I mean? Okay. And then some people will be like, I'm not here for the news at all. It's still a big crowd. Yeah, and we could change the format. But you're right.

They are here for the news. They are here for everyone's take. We could write songs about the news. In the circle group, you know? And like, because what would happen is if we change the format, you lose half the crowd, but then you'd slowly start to build a new crowd.

And they're only here for Tim. Like me, you guys aren't, you know, we don't sell tickets. I know. I don't want to. Yeah. It's like your show, your fans and stuff. Well well, and I think what if you're doing the morning thing It's yeah, it's just profiles it should be okay. Oh good. I hope it dropped out

There we go We've been here all day resetting the whole but thing to run the old studio, but I want to stress this too because people are like Tim don't quit i'm like i'm not saying i'm quitting i'm saying irl i have a morning show that i can do entirely on my own without any any support at all yeah and it is extremely difficult to do all of this at one time question for you then what do you want to do in real life well i would do this if it were possible so i'm going to do the morning show which i think i think the strategy is like shave everything down to the core morning show produce the content and then from there regrow it would be fun something fun reboot of sorts do you think yeah irl times so we we are uh we we range from like we're consistently the top

10 live streams in the world yeah in terms of viewership in terms of super chats we've consistently been the number one human being hosted show because the VTubers make way more than us yeah of course yeah if you're if you're doing a live show but you have an was it like the robot ladies

or something anime woman yeah okay you'll make yeah that's just that's the deal but so that that's great um but it's also just uh you know i don't know it's been four years and i want to we we we we reached the point where i think uh so so here here are the challenges clearly we gotta fire people um the problem is everyone's essential to a certain degree and so that means the show's not going to function if we start to get rid of people so then it's just like do we put the show on a hiatus and start reassessing how we need to find and hire people and then what do we do we wait three months of going through the hiring process and burning money so we can be like who do we

find who's gonna be able to run this properly and no or i just be like look i need to make sure that my show runs in the morning so i can live and feed my family and pay my bills. Like waking up and not having a show for my morning show, I'm like, OK, well, who's paying the bills? If it's not going to get done and I don't have people who's going to who's going to run even that, it's annoying when we try and do Cast Castle. It fails. Cast Castle 2.0 comedy.

It fails. Boonies. It fails. And I'm like, but that's ancillary investment and that's my failure. I can't make it work. I comedy it fails boonies it fails and i'm like but that's ancillary investment and that's my failure i can't make it work i get it but when those projects result in me being unable to do the core show which pays the bills yeah then it's just like we get we're gonna stop yeah you got subscriptions subscription models are where it's at because then it frees you up to do who makes the who makes the product for the subscribers that's up to you basically you get to make whatever you want sure so whenever you want

so irl only exists because we have members if the members if every single member quit irl ceases to exist period yeah memberships is legit dude the discord is so popping i just did a game jam with a bunch of people from the timcast discord. Yeah, it's probably a good time. All these developers over two weeks developed video games, and then they did this contest. There were like 16 entries, and then they voted. They got down to five finalists, and then they had me come in with another guest judge,

and we played the games live. And they were like, dude, we love everything you're doing. Not that they didn't say we worship Timcast, but they're like, dude, they're people that are subscribing to the company the company the games were awesome by the way biggest dickest architect this was my favorite it was one of the winners it was a really cool game of like physics and stuff so that was like an untapped market i'm like yo if we hosted like a video game judgment thing where we're developers were just constantly creating games passing them in and then there was like a

$1,500 prize that went to the winner and they might get like 2,000 people watching maybe 10. I don't know if that's a big market You create the market. This is the point is like you you set the trend games. That's not bad What's it? I think for video games. That's not bad. No, it was fantastic Yeah, and like it's like another way to garner fans and give back to the community that's subscribing and also to make money and to to pay people that are up and coming developers like that's just that was just like two hours for me it was two hours of work tim tim would you uh would you do um irl instead of the morning

show like do you have a you know a preference of irls can't sustain itself can't stay in stuff would you do IRL instead of the morning show? Do you have a preference of- IRL can't sustain itself. Can't sustain itself, even though- IRL requires the members to exist as a show because we need drivers, we need guest booking, hotel, travel accommodations. We could also do no guests. We don't need guests.

Yeah, they're worthless. I know. It's great having them. He's been saying naughty things all the time. And we can't we can but that show me and phil did it was so awesome like we could just hang out we don't need to fly people in every day we could do like guests once a week or twice a week old school back when it was him you and adam it was just as entertaining i mean that's that that's actually

what i was saying is one of the one of the core ideas is to just get rid of everything but the skeleton crew yeah and then just have guests whenever. We can tell the guests if you want to come on the show, you drive yourself. Yeah. No more covering your planes, Dave. This was the first time you did. What do you mean? I always would book myself.

Oh, really? I never wanted to burden anybody with... Oh, you're such a nice man. You can get some people first class. They jumped on it. Yeah, can you? Yeah, let's just steal it and prove it.

Well, we'll think about it. But that's when you started blowing up too, Tim. Like OG fans. I'm in the middle seat. You and Adam and then Young Gentlemen came around.

We have so many hosts now. Yeah, it was just, you guys are getting 40K likes a night. Remember? Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to wear my mega beanie if you give me 40K likes tonight.

Oh, yeah. But that was also during COVID. True. And so viewership on everything for people locked in their homes likes tonight. Oh, yeah. But that was also during COVID. True. And so viewership on everything for people locked in their homes was massive. And put off to kill you for wearing that.

They called it lightning in a bottle. You and Adam, your old school friendship, like kindling into this business really was just crazy energy. You know what? The show was supposed to be on the street.

It was supposed to be out of a vehicle where I would interview regular people and just hang out and do a podcast that was talking with regular folks. It changed up a lot it can they uh it's too burdensome we got so many hosts we got phil libby seamus when he feels like it hannah claire raymond me sir just

i'm so glad you're talking again i like that ian's naming names i'm dropping it's all of them it's it's all their fault i'm going going back to the Ross Vesper last, apparently, my friends. And like, God, we could have other people come in, too. There's so many people that want to. Oh, you're saying positive things. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah.

He's not named the news. People that work at Tim Cash, even. Like, Wesley's hilarious. Carter Banks is awesome. I mean, Charles is hilarious. I would love to sit down with Charles for a couple hours and just shoot the shit, talk about whatever. Talk about economics.

Talk about, he's just a funny guy. Rugby, hockey, but yeah. Yeah, he's just good to be in a room with. I don't know. I don't know. So you're in a reassessment time frame then? Because we wrote, I'm happy you wrote May, like I said before.

I wasn't going to do the show at all, but Dave was here and I was like, well, it's kind of a dick move and we appreciate like we're not gonna do anything yeah now everyone at least uh because you've always been open honest with your audience so yeah what do you know it's good that you're doing this opening honest with your audience right now did you already talk about what you've been working on lately no what have you been doing uh uh nothing You know a world, yeah? He retired. He worked on a farm. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Well, I don't say work, but I'm definitely doing labor on a farm. What I do is Normal World. Yeah, that's the sketch show. And we're finally putting out more sketches because I know what it's like to have to deal with certain people as well, egos and whatnot. But it's good that we're now building it back up. And I really do like the show. But I really want to do all sketch. You were fantastic. I was telling

the driver today. You were on the first episode together. It was in the very first. It's on YouTube. I've totally seen that. I've seen you guys for the first couple ones. He comes off like Robert Downey Jr. It's crazy in less than zero. He's amazing in it. Acting is like my strength. We should do more. I would crazy in less than zero. He's amazing in it. Acting is like my strength.

We should do more. I would love you to do more. I would love Tim to do a sketch, but he can't leave. Well, maybe now he can. I know. And if you're not around,

I would love to have him in a sketch. Like there's nothing more I enjoy than doing that. And like, yeah, dude, drug topia was fantastic. Cause you just, it was just perfect.

How well you played that. Would we just fly down to texas for a couple days and shoot it yeah absolutely that'd be pretty cool it that's the most fun like honestly i think when it's coming into like comedy sketch movies all that stuff i think there's a way to really do this right and it's not necessarily being we could we could uh we could get rid of guests yeah guests can come on if they choose to come on but we're not going to handle booking and anything else. Well, if you're coming on because you're basically giving them a lot of free promo.

Yes. And sometimes people come on and don't say like two words. Dude, that's the worst. It's so brutal. Yeah, so. And they get mad at us. Do they? They get mad afterwards?

I don't know if they know what the show was. We'll have like a PR company be like, we want to get this person on your show, and then I think we're going to interview them about their book, and then we don't. But yeah, IRL is a topical news show, daily news show. Well, do they think that you read the book? I mean, that like a PR company be like, we want to get this person on your show and then I think we're going to interview them about their book and then we don't. But yeah, IRL is a topical news show, daily news show. Well, do they think that you read the book? I mean, that's a lie.

No, it's funny though, because like- Nobody reads the book. I won't lie to people. Like we've had people on the show and they're like, hand me the book. And they're like, will you read it? And I go, no. Yeah.

And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm doing two shows every day and running a company. There's no way I can read this book. Look, Michael Malice is a good friend of mine, but I don't understand. I got the audio book and I still haven't listened to it. Dude, I get halfway in and I'm like, yeah, I believe you. The white pill.

Right spot on. Mike knows what he's talking about. It's the white pill. Have you- It's brilliant. Yeah. The first few chapters I got. And then I just, I don't pretend I'm smarter than I am. So let me tell you guys something. Maybe, you know, we could do the CEO route, right? We could do the strategic investment.

You know what that means? No. It means that, you know, we'll be doing the show and we're going to let people know about the hardships we face. Especially the hardships dealing with a bad night's sleep. Which is why I use MyPillow. I hear they're good. That was fantastic. MyPillow! I hear they're good. That was fantastic.

MyPillow, promo code Tim, is an actual thing. You can use it. Really? So we do pre-rolls. We don't do end rolls or mid-rolls, but I guarantee you anybody who comes in

and says, I'm going to clean this up is going to be like, we need four ad reads per show. If they're good things, I don't mind talking about them. I really actually want to. No, they're not going to want

a conversation about it. They're going to say, break at 9.30, read the line. Read the minute, minute carry on can you do like 15 seconds like real quick you mean you know if you said something like 45 seconds river new jersey on friday theo vaughn does really cool ads where he's like yo homie you gotta get a taste of this shit like he says it how he would say it in the middle of the show or is it like it like cuts to it in the middle of the show yeah that's those are those are host read placements so we we have some of those

sometimes i'm saying for a live show yeah yeah host read placements are going to for for youtube hands down like anybody who comes in and says we want to run this or be like oh here's your problem you're not doing any ad reads like the ben shapiro who gets it how he makes it in in the end and that that pretty young uh lady cooper brett Cooper. Brett Cooper, yeah. She mixes her ad reads very well. I would do ad reads. I kind of like the commercial idea, too. I'm just throwing it out there. I always like making commercials.

It just sounds like doing a lot more work. Oh, like it cuts to a sketch or something? That's what he's trying to do. With a real product we could be selling? Yeah, but you'd say actually just a sketch. Tim's like, I'm hungry. I'm like, have one of these and I'll hand them like the

I have your permission. Yeah, whatever bar it is. You need a protein bar. So you're doing a lot of work and you're not getting out of it what you want. Is that sound? Well, I mean, look,

the studio broke. Right. And so I'm just, there's a lot of other things too, but I'm not going to throw anybody specifically under the bus. I'm not going to bring up

other things, but it's just like, like I said, 90% of the job getting done means 10% across every person that i have to handle and i can't do it all gotcha and so you know people are mentioning you know we have super chat startup syndrome you need a ceo i'm like of course right and so that's that's the question it's like it's a four-year startup though that's normal three to five years startup yeah most companies fail in five years that's what i mean is that what it is so now you're now you're bringing a ceo and

well it's like why just keep spending money and spinning wheels like i could pull it all back and keep making money and not have to stress about any of it that's true does any of if i were you i would have just already done just the timcast thing but that's uh i mean i'm saying i could buy it last a says he likes the uh the aspect of it. Yeah. I could get a class A right now. You know what a class A trailer camper is? Tour bus. Oh, okay. Pop out, tour bus, basically.

Living room. I can park it anywhere in the country. See, I upgrade from the van, you know what I'm saying? Stream live from the tour bus? No, I record my morning segments from the bus wherever I want to go. And then that's it. I'm done. I could reasonably record till 4 to get the best segments up.

I could do 10 segments per day if I'm working till 4 p.m. That'd be nuts. Can you stream on a bus? Starlink, yeah. And you could be done the rest of the night. You just do 10. And then at 4 o'clock, I go to Allison and say, you want to go get dinner?

And I go hang out with my family. It is pretty fresh. Like an awesome tour bus you could get? Or like one for poison? No, like they're based AF. You know, I guess IRL does very well. You could just get one. A hundred grand.

Oh, wow. How much? A hundred? A hundred grand. What's the cost of a Kia now? Almost a hundred grand. Yeah, so there are some used Class A trailers that are like 2022 or whatever that's off. I think they're like $100,000.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. And I could record my morning show anywhere I want to mobiles the shit i just got a bunch of mobile equipment today i hate promoting it yeah you could do 10 minutes 10 minutes 10 minutes and do what you did before six seven six thirty i don't want to say that out loud because i like yeah but it's true i mean that's 100 true you can totally get her done that's how you can be happier that way so yeah i yeah. I've been studying. If you think, I mean, I don't know your happiness level.

We're not best friends or anything. Are you guys following Thunderbolt technology? It's USB. Huge breakthrough advancements. It's USB's eclipsing HDMI. Like, it's not even USB. It looks like a USB cord. It's called Thunderbolt.

And it's going up to Thunderbolt version 5 where you can get one usb plug can power your device with 100 watts and it can send 80 gigabit gigabits a second which is like what would that be 16 gigabytes per second of transfer data speed like phenomenal so basically you're gonna end up having one cord that can power your your entire setup and it's called thunderbolt yeah thunderbolt technology my my new laptop has thunderbolt 4 40 gigabits per second i'm studying the difference in gigabytes is it yours is it like your product no no it's just it's a new breakthrough i think intel has been working on these advancements they they kind of started using gallium nitride in superconductors so it's a lot cooler and a lot so they can make things a lot smaller well ian's back everyone yeah dude i've been studying electricity for like a week and like power

and and i was studying volts this morning alessandro volta how he built his first battery you guys ever study that thing nope he's called the volta i think it was a volta pile where he just put zinc and copper on top of itself over and over and over again with like these pieces of cardboard in between them with salt water and then they just made an electrical charge and they were like what the fuck did we do with this so they just started destroying stuff they were like let's destroy water so they discovered electrolysis they were like let's destroy salt they discovered sodium yeah and then they've had um and we had to come in and figure out how to resist the electricity to actually utilize it in daily products and damn

you research yeah i've been going nuts i've been looking at like mobile equipment lately okay because my friends down in north carolina like i was saying she's doing this cleanup stuff yeah her friend dr steve is right now because his hospital was flown up to the ceiling. I mean, to the roof. Xena Radner, a phenomenal humanitarian. She does all sorts of crazy work. And I was like, I got to go down there and interview her. So I've been looking at, like, difference of wattage and voltage and amperage because I've been trying to get different devices and make sure everything's compatible.

Oh, like how you're going to power it and everything? Yeah, yeah. And there's new breakthroughs in USB. And this Thunderbolt tech is really, really promising for mobile work. Thunderbolt tech is nice. Any suggestions? Yeah, we should. I think we'll do a little members only for all of our members who want to have more direct conversation with some call-ins

and want to ask some questions. Love that. You know. Hanging with the members, dude. That's really fun, too, because I wanted to have you come in and guest judge the video game competition with me, but I figured you're too busy. But this is an opportunity to

do that kind of stuff. There you go. I'm glad you're doing that. And if we did it 8 to 10 one night, where it's like, let's use this platform to host these games for these new and up-and-coming, because some of these guys are geniuses. In two weeks, what they can spin together. Do you understand the level of what's going on tonight?

By chance? Man, I'm always on the level of what's going on tonight my chance man i'm always on the level raymond but tell me talk to me just what the show's about the the title is i may be the last show and you're talking about thunderbolts yeah yeah that's what i always yeah well i'm talking about mobile tech but yeah you could say just curious i'm not trying to be a dick or anything i guess i'm i don't want to pile on. I'd rather like, like elevate. Your mood is very fantastic. You know, like there,

there are a lot of super chats. I'll read one of them because a lot of them say the same, similar thing. What is it says? The, the ham is bad. You need to hire a COO

and an IT professional. People who have no interest in making videos a day want the system to produce the videos work. Like the, the solution, I don't think the

solution is try hiring more people again remember how you had a problem so you hired people and that didn't work so you fired them and then you had more people and you fired them and you had more people like at a certain point i'm kind of just like i don't think that's the issue i think uh yeah i just think uh cutting back on guests huge expenditure i guess work for you i think it's uh i think people yeah i think people are we have guests we've just had to you know we've gone up and back and forth of that as well i think people are entitled lazy yeah you know very true yeah so you can only you can only do so much i guess i think the other thing too is uh the reason why a lot of businesses are as corporate as they are is because there's no world where – I believe that the actual mentality of the average employee – I say average employee.

I'm not speaking about any one individual is I got to get mine and I'll burn this down if I have to. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. I think like, you know, I was talking to a friend and he said that he was at a job once and every time he'd look over the guy's just scrolling Facebook and Amazon and not working. I don't think that's true.

I've met too many people like that in my previous job. That's true, but I don't think they have the ability to take over. Like I don't think they have that go-getting. I'm saying quiet quitting is hugely popular. It's like a big trend among Gen Z. Just leaving? No, no, no.

Quiet quitting is when you keep pretending that you're working so you get as much money as possible before they fire you. Oh, the George Costanza method. Right. You just come to work after you quit. I think that's a product of salary and hourly wages because if you're just getting paid no matter what you do and you're always going to get paid the same amount,

why would you do more? If you're making more money based on how well the outcome is, now you're always going to get paid the same amount why would you do more if you're making more money based on how well the outcome is now you're going to work hard yeah i don't know there's been a bunch of pitches like we should do with the collins right what's the collins yes yeah five minutes okay yeah so like one one method is like the ge method i think it's where every quarter you fire the bottom 10 percent yeah that's a great idea I like it yeah and so it's basically unions we're gonna we're gonna say this job has to get done if it doesn't get done we're adding that we're writing it down in a file at the end of the quarter whoever has the most misses is

you're out yeah man I'm like reality of business yeah who wants to work there I guess but it's the only way to do it otherwise you should work you should be if you're the person who's not the bottom 10% then that's a good thing like if you're working hard and people see that then that's if you're working hard other people are doing nothing

and the company's failing because of it you're gonna be pissed off right but then that's why I like the 10% gotta go I like that aspect yep

that's why I hate unions they're the worst right so like you hire a CEO to come in and just be like that person's gotta go no no no

we say so we have tasks that have to be accomplished. If they're not accomplished, we write down, you failed to accomplish task. Then at the end of the quarter, we look at who has the most failures and say, you're out. We're hiring somebody else. It's the only thing I've ever had to last 20 years of my life. I don't think people realize what they have until it's gone either. Oh, yeah. And I mean, that's a huge thing about working at a place like this.

There's not a lot of gratitude until you go out there into the real world and realize that comedy feels like more of a safety net to me than it would working for any Fortune 500 company, at least in these days. Why is that? So many overseas people that are doing the manufacturing. I just don't feel that people are looked at as much more than numbers. So if you're looked at by the person who owns the company is somebody who actually cares about the employer but then you don't reciprocate that that's kind of shitty you know

i've been watching a lot of video of like dudes like tapping trees to get rubber out or factory workers working with vinyl just poison chemicals brutal boring ass shit and i'm like what a opportunity this is to work on tv and like entertain for a living that's what i mean like to get six figures at like zug island in detroit where you just work with poisons all day and you're going to be with tumors and diet for you but you get six figures well i mean like people do that i mean that's all their options there are people who mine cobalt and their teeth fall out of their mouths when they're 20 and they get paid a dollar a day and they make great hookah corn oil there's just so many jobs i've had in life that were like i can't wait for this to be over and this is a job where i i can't wait to wake up in the morning

yeah true like every job i've ever had i don't think that's true for this company you don't think so i i think that there's an element of, at this company among our staff who are just like, what do I have to say to make this day end? I don't think anybody's looking at a clock right now though. No, there isn't the regular day. I think that this company has too much of,

I don't got to do it. It's fine. Yeah. And then when it falls down and I have to catch it, they're just like, I don't care. And you know what? I think it's, some people are worse than others, but it's that if someone's not doing,

if someone's only doing 90, I'm trying to catch the other 10. Yeah. So you're doing 150. I'm doing way more than that. Yeah. No, you're like 330 or whatever. And then it's like a, hey guys, I really need this

because I can't do it. And they're like, sure. And then they're just like, what a fucking idiot. You think I'm going to do that? Like, dude, it's remarkable how it's just like, hey, this thing has to get done. Otherwise we can't do the company. And they're like, you got it, mate.

And then they just, as soon as you leave, they, I don't know, crack open a bag of chips and just watch TV or something. I don't know. Yeah. No, that's a crappy feeling. Yeah. Yeah. So you do, I mean, you take it more personal then.

Because you have to. I mean, it's your baby. You know, I don't know if I take it personally. How could you not? I don't understand. I don't know how you couldn't. Yeah. Because I think people are people. I don't know that ticket personally i don't understand i don't know how you couldn't yeah because i think people are people i don't know yeah without a task master being like well i think this is the realization is that there has to be a mid-manager whipcracker yes

yes always no one no one it sucks but you don't get that you don't like i anybody who is passionate and wants to do it who doesn't need a whip cracker is not going to work at a company because they can do it on their own they can yeah okay so then you don't need a ceo you just need a middle management whip cracker or a ceo that also i mean i'm just i'm not saying you need anything tim i'm just throwing that out there like a ceo could also be a whip cracker sure and then they would be middle management because you be the owner yeah well someone's got to execute and make sure that shit's getting done and it's like look i'm talking to the head of this department this department this department

this department this department every day we're having a 20 minutes with you 20 minutes with you 20 minutes with you who's not getting it done in your department so dumb i don't want to do it that's why i'm just like you would hire someone to do all that crap that would be the ceo's job not interested well they got to do a manager. You got to have meetings. Yeah, no, no. Or I can shut it down and do my morning show and I don't need any employees. You could, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. But if you want to have a company, you got to have someone that's executing management. That's what he's saying. He doesn't want it. That's his whole point. Execute. Well, you're saying you don't want to do it. Not that you don't want the company to exist.

You don't want to do that job. I don't blame you. It's exhausting to be in meetings all day. No, I don't want to be in that environment of weird, stgy hr managers the hr companies want to help you have a pro like dude i've worked at companies where it's like i'm having an issue the only resolution is to ask hr and hr is like tell me more so i can fire you and get you get the machine is broken yeah hr doesn't exist to help you with your problems if you work at a company and you're having a problem employee harassing you and they say well based on the current law we're actually getting more trouble from the harassing

employee than the person being harassed so we should fire the the victim and then protect the harasser yeah man there are companies where without naming any of them i've heard stories where like a woman got pregnant and then immediately threatened them that if they ever reprimanded her she would sue them for sexism and she'd get a high-powered lawyer and then they just let her do whatever she wanted oh that's yeah that's accurate there's an article i read the other day with someone uh he quit his job like eight months ago and he every day he's just going in there doing the least amount of possible and he's still been he's still working there and he's still doing his thing it was a big it was a viral yep thing it's called quiet quitting okay we're gonna go to the members

section so i can uh answer direct to the members because the members are the ones who make it all possible and i'm sure they have questions and we'll answer them so head over to timcast.com if you want to hang out the members show um i will put it this way if we don't do irl maybe ian's got a point about we can just get rid of guests we can get of travel we can get rid of all the extraneous elements of the show and it's like you know i don't know like four of us just do the show and hang out every day and we don't need a guest. Then, and we can have guests periodically if someone wants to join the show and they can take care of it themselves.

But otherwise we just typically don't do guests. We just do news. That's, that's, that's a strong possibility. I think if that's not the case, what I would do for existing members, we obviously want to maintain the discord for the people who value it as a community. And then I would do a members only probably like Monday through Friday at like 2 p.m. where I would just do something. That's an idea.

So that way there's still the members going on. There's still members only content and the people still have access to a community and then we'll keep some staff to maintain it and we'll figure that out. But what we're gonna do now is, that's why I don't wanna be like, hey, go subscribe to a thing

where we don't know what we're gonna be doing. But if you wanna watch the members only and we're gonna answer questions from the members, timcast.com, you can follow me on X and Instagram. But that's another thing too. I'm probably, I don't even know if're going to be doing but if you want to watch the members only and we're going to answer questions from the members timcast.com you can follow me on x and instagram but that's another thing too i'm probably i don't even know if i'm abusing x much longer because removing the block feature is the most psychotic thing imaginable that's nuts yeah i just saw that having all of my stalkers on at once on one day instantly just get access to my feed and lose their minds i don't know i don't get it because that's what you it's they're basically

nullifying the mute you have the mute button where you don't have to listen to the person anymore now they're turning the block button back into the mute button well we're gonna go to the members only then and uh and yeah and talk to members so dave you want to shout anything out uh yeah this uh friday i'll be in toms river new jersey um it's all toys for tots goes to charity you can go to my website davelandow.com food all that stuff goes to families that need it. That's this Friday, Saturday, Sunday I'll be at Helium in Buffalo. But check out my show Normal World. We've got sketches. Ian's of course been on it. I hope Tim will do a sketch.

Yeah, maybe. And yeah, check it out. It's on YouTube. You can just look up Normal World. You guys know me. I'm Raymond G. Salian Jr. I'm the... I'm privileged and honored to be here tonight and every night i'm an irl hanging out here uh ian crossland and i like i mentioned earlier we did the game jam cast check out the game jam stuff uh it's great bunch of software

developers came together and made a bunch of video games that we judged in real time um also what else i'm gonna be going down to north carolina working on cleanup a little bit like i said i'll just follow my social medias at ian crossland and keep in touch with everything there i go live some periodically and play video games and play music and all sorts of stuff so i'll see ya oh i also shot a movie out in la that'll be coming out soon but i'll tell you more about it as it as it releases surge talk me out baby um yeah. Um, yeah. What's up guys. It's been fun. Hope that keeps, keeps going,

but, uh, it's not my call to make, uh, stay frosty, I guess. Yeah. Well,

and also if I, I like your show, I like coming on it. It's fun. Thank you. Well, thanks for whatever you choose. I'll just kiss your ass a little bit at the end.

Yeah. I think, uh, the morning show will exist in some fashion if IRL does not. And then I can do one bigger show instead of two bulky shows. Or one light. Like the morning show has been light. Like I've only been doing four shows a week. And then IRL, of course, five. And now I'm just like, maybe I just do five morning shows and,

uh, and weekend bonus shows. And then there are seven shows a week once again, and more clips on YouTube and all that stuff. So we're doing the members show. Uh, thanks for hanging out. Um,

I guess, you know, I expect to be here in the morning doing the morning show as per usual. So youtube.com slash Tim cast news. Other than that, we'll be at Tim cast.com in a minute. Thanks for hanging out. you