Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1051 Trump Biden Debate WILL END Biden, Dems Float HILLARY w/Dave Smith, Angela McArdle

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Serge are joined by Dave Smith & Angela McArdle to discuss the Washington Post suggesting Hillary Clinton should Replace Kamala Harris as VP, the betting markets showing voters doubting that Biden will be the democratic nominee, Tim Pool saying only net taxpayers should be able to vote, and Joe Biden's brain failing again during speech. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere)  Hannah Claire @hannahclaireb (everywhere) Serge @sergedotcom (everywhere) Guests: Dave Smith @ComicDaveSmith (X) Angela McArdle @angela4LNCChair (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yeah, there's actually a conversation happening about swapping out Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton. And people are posting this photo of Hillary Clinton where she looks like she lost weight. And they're like, she's running because she lost weight. But everyone's actually calling it like the Ozempic diet. So I don't know, whatever. But the Washington Post ran this column, which is probably nothing. It's probably noise. But there is a lot of concern about what's going to happen to Joe Biden in this first debate, because many people believe that this first debate is going to be

their test of whether or not Joe Biden can run. And it will give many Democrats an excuse to find a way to replace him, despite the fact it's already way too late. I'm kind of leaning towards, you know, for a while I thought they got to get rid of Joe Biden. They have no choice. Now I don't know that they can, short of something bad happening to Joe Biden. I have no idea what happened. So we'll talk about that. We got some big news today, despite the fact that it's a holiday. It was a pretty slow news day. Russia signing a deal with North Korea. We got U.S. troops being deployed to Jordan. That's not fun. And then, of course, ladies and gentlemen, another cheap fake has emerged. That's right. Joe Biden once again struggling to speak on camera.

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Do I sound good? Yeah, you sound great. Okay. Well, good to be here. Thanks for having me back, Tim. Who are you? I'm Dave, Libertarian Tupac, destroyer of Cuomo's, and all-around fan of Timcast. All right. Angela McArdle is hanging out. Thanks for having me back on. Angela McArdle, chair of the Libertarian National Committee. We just love platforming the Libertarians here at Timcast. I know you do.

We appreciate you so much. You do a lot of it. We like Libertarians. We do. I think there's a strong overlap with the cultural values, especially the Mises Caucus. It's unfortunate what happened

at your convention with your nominating process. I don't know. It was partially unfortunate. It was partially fortunate. Angela got reelected. Oh, that was great. Yeah, that's great. It remains to be seen how unfortunate the whole situation really is. Yeah, you have some interesting points to make on this one. The Trump speech was actually funny. I wish he didn't use a prompter, but we'll probably get into a little bit of that. Hannah Clare's hanging out. Yeah, I'm actually really glad to have both of you on tonight. I feel like it's a

libertarian super hour. I'm Hannah Clare Bremel. I'm a writer for SCNR.com. Follow them at TimCastNews on the social medias. Hi, Serge. Yo, let's get started. So my friends, the truth is, it's a holiday today. It is. And I did not realize how seriously people will take any holiday, no matter what it is. And I mean this with no disrespect to Juneteenth. I like the idea that, you know, for those who aren't familiar with it, some union reconstructionists went down to Texas and said, hey, you guys, slavery has been abolished. You can't have slaves anymore. And one of the slaves said, you're free. I like the idea that we would celebrate the end of slavery. It's a bad thing. But I did not think it would catch on, except for the fact that banks are closed. A lot of businesses shut down

for the day because a holiday is a holiday. And they're actually it's relatively slow news. But we do have some political conjecture we can talk about. This is an article from The New York Post. Biden should replace Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton, Washington Post columnist suggests. Kathleen Parker, the Pulitzer Prize winning columnist who weighs in on politics and culture for The Washington Post, said that the 76 year old former secretary of state who lost in 2016 would extricate the U.S. from old white men dilemma. I want to remind her that Kamala Harris is a younger black woman. Well, what you say we really need is an older white lady, an older white liberal lady. She will fix everything. We're going to replace young black woman with old white demon.

I think it's a brilliant strategy. Also, like, I mean, if Joe Biden just wanted to attempt suicide, there's no better way to do that than to put Hillary as your VP. Because then they make her president. I mean, you want to be one murder away from Hillary Clinton being the president and you're the murderer? I don't think so. She will unalive him. Well, that's actually what a lot of people believe about the Clintons. But here's the funny part.

Parker cited the 81-year-old Biden's steady decline the past few years. Steady. It's been exponential recently. Which have been made more apparent through his stumbles, his search for words, his occasional blank stare. All of which are now impossible to ignore. I thought those were cheap fakes. Anyway, I'm curious, if your concern is that Joe Biden is incapable, why would you replace Kamala? Well, because look, I mean, this is the whole game here, right? And this is obviously like what this woman, I mean, I don't know, this might be on

some subconscious level or something like that, but they all know they'd like to get Biden out. But the big obstacle to that is Kamala Harris, which in some move, whoever thought of it, I'm sure it wasn't Joe Biden, but whoever thought of it, she was kind of a genius pick in that sense. Because she kind of insulates him from this like, oh, we want this guy out because he's clearly in severe cognitive decline. But what's waiting in the wings is worse than that. So they're even thinking in their head, well, if we could get her out of the way and put Hillary there, obviously at the end of her thought here is Hillary is going to be the nominee, not Joe Biden. But so that's the real dilemma that the Democrats have, and they've had it for a while.

This hits the nail on the head with a hammer. So to wrap this all up with a nice little bow, we've talked about how they need to replace Joe Biden. And what does everyone say? You can't. Kamala Harris is next in line. If they can swap Kamala right now with some, it's, well, you know, Hillary steps in and Kamala is retiring because something happens, resigning. Who knows?

She doesn't want to be the nominee. I don't know how they do it, but it's easier right now to swap Kamala is retiring because something happens, resigning. Who knows? She doesn't want to be the nominee. I don't know how they do it, but it's easier right now to swap Kamala with Hillary. Then when Joe Biden falls up the stairs again and incapacitates himself, Hillary becomes the nominee. Well, it's fascinating that she will Hillary will do anything to become president. Like she's not giving up on this dream. She's willing to demote the first black vice president. I mean, it's very crazy to me.

I think it is funny that this also says that Democrats do not believe that their younger future options are usable, right? They're going to go even further back down the bench and grab Hillary Clinton to roll into this. It's a boomer strategy. It's just absolute refusal to pass the torch. Yeah. It's also really, it's fascinating.

This is going to flip how Republicans react. Now it's going to be protect Joe Biden at all costs so that we don't get Hillary Clinton. Oh, that's funny. But I think if they can swap Kamala with Hillary, it's the soft play, the first step. Yep. Okay. They can't remove Joe Biden for Hillary, it's the soft play, the first step. Yep. Okay. They can't remove Joe Biden for Hillary, for Newsom or for anybody because Kamala is young and capable of running and she's vice president.

But if for some reason they, and it's still, it's still going to be difficult to get rid of Kamala Harris for sure. But if Kamala says for some reason, a family issue has come up, which has strained my capabilities, you know, Hillary Clinton has asked, I have asked Hillary if she would become like, then when Biden goes, whoa, it's easy. I don't know that this is a boomer strategy. And I don't know that this is the Democratic Party or a refusal to pass down the torch. I think it's more Hillary Clinton is banging and screaming on tables being like, it's my turn. He stole it from me. But aren't those kind of the same thing

in a way? Like, I think the point Angela is kind of getting at, which is really, it's kind of remarkable that this particular generation of powerful people, you know, like when I was a, when I was a kid, I'm a 41 year old dad. And when I was a kid in the Senate, we had guys like Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden. In the House, you had Nancy Pelosi. In the Senate, you had Mitch McConnell. Like all these guys were there when I was a young kid, maybe 20 at oldest for like McConnell and some of these other. And so and some of those guys like Chuck Schumer were there before I was 20.

And so there is something about that generation who, let's be real, none of them were ever very impressive. It kind of inherited the United States of America at its peak of power and wealth. And they just like simply will not pass the torch. So it's not as if Hillary Clinton or the equivalent of Hillary Clinton in a previous generation, it would have been like, well, I had my shot in 2008. I got another shot at it in 2016. Obviously didn't work out. I'm going to move on to something else. Whereas, you know, deep down, she would like that if she had a chance to get it again, would jump on it.

And that is very peculiar. She's not going to give up on her dream. Like I said, it's alive and well. I mean, I think if the Biden organization really wanted to keep their figurehead in power, they would have to pick a VP that countered his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue because he's getting no confidence votes basically from a lot of young voters, from from older older progressive Democrats as well. And Hillary Clinton has been, you know, protested out of the classroom at Columbia by the same people. I think that would be the only benefit to taking out Kamala Harris is if you were to rotate someone in

that could potentially appeal to voters that are trying to abandon you. Yeah, but you're thinking like we live in a democracy, which we don't. Well, I'm thinking like it's strategic and I think it's a free fall over there. Yeah, but listen, I mean, you're right. Look, I mean, according to most of the polls I've seen,

it's somewhere around 70% of Democratic voters want to cease fire. About 50% of them consider what Israel's doing a genocide. So that's a pretty stark, like, political dynamic that you're, in 50% of your voters' minds, funding a genocide. That's an issue. Wait, wait, are you saying all voters across the board? No, these are Democratic voters. So I'm just saying for the Democratic nominee, that's a bit of a political situation.

But if you're talking about do you side with the people or with the war machine, well, in U.S. politics, that doesn't mean, oh, well, you get one of the people in there that's for the people and one who's for the war machine. The Democratic presidential and vice presidential candidates will both support funding this war, no matter what they say. I just want to ruin people's day by showing this picture real quick. Yes. If we could pull it. I just want to ruin people's day. This is the picture from The Washington Post talking about bringing in Hillary Clinton. And I don't know what it is that these affluent white female liberals who work in media don't understand about. It's one of the most off-putting things about Hillary Clinton is that she would cackle at the most inappropriate times, not too dissimilar to Kamala Harris, who emulates that behavior.

But you can look at this picture and Joe Biden is smirking a little bit, relatively neutral kind of face, and she's cackling. And, you know, I look at this and I'm wondering, like, what was said that she's busting out laughing like she's heard a Dave Smith comedy routine, but Joe Biden doesn't flinch. And so what they do is someone in the Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton and told Kamala Harris, laugh and smile more. Yes. And they were like, you got it. Because, you know, Hillary Clinton doesn't laugh when she's in private. She's a she's a she's a nasty, evil person. She's probably just like frumpy the whole time, angry. And then as soon as she steps out in public, her and Kamala have this thing where a reporter will be like, Secretary Clinton, can you comment on the loss of 12 lives in the latest fires that were taking place in Afghanistan. And she goes,

why are you laughing? And Kamala does the exact same thing. Well, I mean, look, both of those people, right? Like Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton, if you know a bit about like their track record and their past, like these are like truly vicious people. Like, listen, just a couple examples of this real quick. But if you've never, you ever heard the tape of Hillary Clinton, where she's laughing about getting that child rapist off? Oh, yeah. And I mean, she's laughing about it. Like, I'm not saying, by the way, I believe in defense attorneys. And I'm not saying like, there's anything wrong with like defending even a really bad guy. But if you defended somebody who, you know,

raped a 12-year-old brutally, okay, and you got that person off to be years later laughing about how you duped the judge and the jury and how comical you find this whole thing, there's a sociopath who does that. And Kamala Harris, you know, she was like known for, as Tulsi in that famous moment where Tulsi called her out, she had innocent people on death row and wouldn't release the evidence, was forced to. So I'm just saying there is something- She also enslaved people.

Well, yeah, that's, I mean, what are you talking about? Just locking people up for- When she kept people in jail beyond their sentences to use them as slave labor to fight fires. Well, look, I mean, I would argue that the whole thing is enslaving people and, you know, locking people up for pot and all this stuff. But so you're talking about like truly vicious sociopathic women who do have this tendency to like whenever they're in front of the camera, just be cackling laughing. And I think there's I'm sure you're right that people told them that. But I also think there's something of like covering up for that or overcompensating with this like bubbly

personality. It's like how people laugh when they're eating salad in salad commercials. Really this weird, uncomfortable, fake, oh, salad. It's like that, except it's like, oh, murder. I do want to give a shout out to one of the greatest uh i don't know if it's a real quote or not but it was she was quoted as saying uh about julian assange can't we just drone this guy and i love it because she like he was in the ecuadorian embassy and they had to tell her like secretary clinton he's in the ecuadorian embassy in london like you can't just do that

but like her go-to is like, why not kill him? Oh yeah, of course. How many times did she say that about other people or other situations? Can we just drone this thing? And they went, yes, we can. She was like, great. It worked last time.

So let's get this guy. I have to say this picture makes me think the photo editor for the Washington Post does not like Hillary Clinton. And I sort of love that like slight like tilting of it. You know, they do this for everybody.

They pick, you know, a photo which frames their face a certain way or, you know, they've done, C9 did it with Joe Rogan where they alter the image. But this one makes whoever picked it, to me, they think this woman is evil and they want to show how maniacal she is. Dude, she's like a caricature of a witch. It's like Skeksis at the end of The Dark Crystal. She invited, like they are the thousand year old millennial reign of a witch. It's like Skeksis at the end of The Dark Crystal. She and Biden. Like they are the thousand-year-old millennial reign of cartoon evil.

I mean, well, look, they don't have a deep bench. And I think one of the issues here, and look, I tweeted this earlier today where I said, I'm back to the point where like, gun to my head, I had to bet. I'm betting Biden's not the nominee.

Now, it's not, I'm saying if I had to bet, I don't, I'm not like confident enough in that, that like I'd put 10 grand on it. You don't want that to be your official position report in history. Well, I'm just saying it's, it's close, but I think one of the things that people are overlooking is that this isn't entirely a question of, do they want to pull Joe Biden and put someone else in there? That's part of it. But the other question is, is it possible that Joe Biden gives them no choice? And that's, I mean, I think fairly likely. I think we've almost been, because they've kind of gotten down to a science over the

last few years, what cocktail of stuff to give Joe Biden to get him through a speech to the point where he could go do a State of the Union. And we're all kind of waiting to see, is he going to implode? Like, is he going to, and he pulls it off. Now it's not good. He kind of, the first half he's way too up. So he's kind of yelling. You know what I mean? And then by the second half, he starts to slow down and have more of the fumbles. But look, this is four years after the last time he got through a debate with Donald Trump. And it's no guarantee that Joe Biden won't fail so bad that there will just be no other choice than someone else has to run. Let's pull this up. We have this from PredictIt.org. This is, of course, for those who don't know, it's a it's a betting market where we have it here on the screen is who will win the

2024 Democratic presidential nomination. Joe Biden is sitting at 79 cents. OK, that's out of a dollar. Gavin Newsom is at 12. Now, certainly people are generally believing that Biden will be the nominee. The way this works is the more you buy shares in this person, the higher the price goes. If you bought one share of Joe Biden at 79 cents, if he ends up the nominee, you get $1. If you buy one share of Gavin Newsom for 12 cents and he ends up being the nominee, you get $1. So basically you're getting a near, you're getting like an eight times return on your investment if you vote for Gavin Newsom. I think what we're seeing here and how this basically works, Hillary Clinton has moved up two cents to six, 6. J.B. Pritzker is on there. Regular people have decided to start buying Gavin Newsom bets

because they, I don't even know if they genuinely believe. I think the numbers reflect perfectly. I think a lot of people are like, well, I don't know if it's going to be Newsom, but I'll put some money down. It's a value bet, right? The general idea is there is in the back of people's minds, a decent probabilities chance that Joe Biden will not be the nominee and Gavin Newsom will be. So you were mentioning some moment ago about the cocktail of drugs they have to give Joe Biden to make sure he functions right. And I want to shout out one of the best jokes I've heard in a long time. I forgot. I don't, I don't know who to credit for it, but they said CNN announced the debate between Trump and Biden. And the response was

we were about to see the Manhattan Project of psychoactive stimulants. Yeah, this is going to be. Yeah, he's going to be on modafinil, Adderall. They're going to they're going to cook something up. He's going to have like 12 cups of coffee. He's going to have like Red Bull gold serum just wired into his veins that's i bet it's something really proprietary and really interesting what if he just comes out and he's like a million bucks he's just like his teeth are staying in stem cell therapy stem cell therapy probably something else you know i wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised if, and I mean this, this is serious. I'm not joking anymore. He's going to be asleep early and for most of the day. And then about one hour

before the debate, they will hook him up to an IV, which will have probably painkillers of some sort, caffeine, probably, I would not be surprised if it was modafinil and Adderall and a vitamin drip, just a cocktail, like you're saying. IV drip cocktail right before the debate. By the time he's getting out of the car and walking in, he feels like he's 68 again. I did the vitamin thing before the national convention. Yeah, that's good stuff. He's hugely helpful. And we've seen pictures of Joe Biden.

They've had pictures of him in the press where you can see a mark on his hand that looks like an IV mark. Yeah. It's not surprising. I mean, people get IVs all the time. NAD+, that's a good one. Oh, dude, this guy, they've got to be giving him stem cells. I think so. I've had stem cell therapy, and it makes you, like, mildly euphoric, and you feel amazing for the first

week after. So that's just the pleb version that I get. Who knows what he's getting? Yeah. Well, I mean, look, it is, if you just go back, if you look at, as I'm sure lots of us have, but if you look at like video of Joe Biden talking in say 2012 and his vice president versus like 2020, I mean, it's like a very very start like the fall off is very real and this was one of the major things when he started running for president um because you know he had been out for four years

and he hadn't been like super involved in the political scene and when he kind of came out like he's running again this like right before covid in 2019 people were like whoa this guy has really lost a step since then now add to that that he's been president for four years. He's had a much more stressful, you know, like kind of vigorous schedule. And we've also watched a serious decline since then. He's not as sharp as he was in 2020. And look, just being able to walk up on stage and yell out the words that are on a teleprompter is a much different skill

than dealing with Donald Trump. And look, he, to his credit, I guess he did all right against Donald Trump in the debates, uh, in 2020, but can he pull that off again? I think it's a big question mark that like there's, there's at least a reasonable chance that he does so poorly that the Democrats have no other option than to pull him out and put someone else in. Trump's Trump's the pit trap they're setting for Trump is that Biden is probably going to hammer criminal and civil cases and Trump will take the bait and be like, it's about me and what you're doing to me and me, me. What Trump needs to do is just say, oh, that's great, Joe. Talk about something Americans don't care about. Let's talk about gas prices. Let's talk about the cost of bread, milk, and eggs. Joe, can you talk to me about the,

what's the price of gas right now? If Trump said, okay, Joe, I get it. You want to call me a convicted felon for all that? How much does a carton of eggs cost? I'll wait. That's a good strategy. I'm not sure. I don't know how coachable Donald Trump is.

You guys both know him better than me. I'm just saying he's the type of guy that, for better or worse, and there's positives and negatives to it, but I do think Donald Trump, he's largely animated by his sense of self. You know, like that is a big deal to Donald Trump. And I don't know that he has the ability to like police what he says and what he doesn't say.

It's part of his charm. It's part of the thing that people love about Donald Trump. He's not, you know, a lot of people in the corporate media, they give Donald Trump, you know, a hard time because they're like, he lies, you know, he's and we'll count all of his lies, but his lies are always something like, you know, I had the biggest crowd. Right. And they'll be like, well, Obama's crowd was bigger. And he's like, I had the biggest, you know, you kind of get what he's doing. But in a different way, Donald Trump is profoundly honest. Oh, I love it in In a way that other politicians aren't because he can't hold anything back.

He always says what he's thinking. So you always know what he's thinking. When, I will always cite this and I want everyone to hear it because not everybody hears it every time. When he was president and he's walking, he's at the White House lawn or whatever, the helicopter's going.

And he's like, it's really great. We're selling all these weapons to Saudi Arabia. It's great for the economy. We're going to give them more weapons. And then all the anti-war left their jaws at the floor. And they're like, he, he just admitted it. He just came right out and said, this is what we do. Remember that time that journalist was like, he tweeted, he's like, I've been working on this story for two years and Trump just says it. He just comes out and says it like there was some

story about something Trump was working on. And this guy was like, oh, I got a big scoop here. And he's interviewing sources. And then Trump comes out and says it. Like there was some story about something Trump was working on. And this guy was like, oh, I got a big scoop here. And he's interviewing sources. And then Trump comes out and he goes, oh, yeah, we're doing this thing, by the way. And they're like, wow. The Intercept called him the most dishonest and the most honest president we've ever had. It's a good way to put it. Because he lies about the stupidest things.

Like you mentioned, my crowd was so big. It was the biggest. Everyone agrees. And they're like, no, they don't. Well, everybody, that's what I was was told and then he comes out and says oh oh by the way we got troops in syria they're guarding the oil and you're like we do when did that happen well here we are now i i love it um you know lead like i was i've said this before like i take a vivek ramaswamy or a dave smith presidency if it was if it was a viable option you know but like it's not and so that's not what i delivered to you come on angela

get it together that's not in my plan no no like dave even if you ended up as the nominee libertarian party like no disrespect you're not winning trump trump actually has done net positive things as far as i'm concerned with the with with what a does. And I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I voted for him in 2020 because I was shocked to find he's the first president to actually start reversing the policies of this militaristic, hegemonic expansionism. And the North Korea thing was huge to me. Like when I saw Trump do that, I nearly cried. I was like, well, look, I mean, the issue is, and I get what

you're saying. The issue with Trump is that if the goal here is to drain the swamp, look, look to your point, right. About like, yeah, there's lots of great people. It's just me or Vivek is an example, but like, there's better people than me for sure, but they don't have a viable path to winning. And the reason why Donald Trump actually had a viable path to essentially be a third party candidate who won within one of the major two parties, which he really was, he ran as a repudiation of the Bushes as much as the Clintons and the Obamas. Part of that was because he was the most famous person.

He was the richest, he was the brashest, he was the biggest crowd, but He was the richest. He was the brashest. He had the biggest crowds. But I mean, there really was, it was this incredible mixture of things that if he didn't have all of that, he wouldn't have been able to win. But the problem is that in order to actually drain the swamp

or actually save this crumbling empire that we're living in, you also have to go in with a team of people. You have to have the correct appointments at every single important position. And it's still an uphill battle. I mean, that's not like a guarantee that you'll drain the swamp. And so the problem with Donald Trump is like, look, yeah, he had the correct instinct. Go meet with Kim Jong-un. Go sit down with him. Let's make deals. But who'd he put at the table with him? John Bolton. He said, I'm going to ask for totally tank, totally tanked the whole thing. And of course he was going to,

that's what he was there to do. Like John Bolton's there to make war, not peace, you know? And so what I, what I would like to see, I love that Donald Trump said he's going to put a libertarian in his cabinet. What I'd like to see is more indications that he gets who the right people are and who they aren't. To that end, what libertarian do you want to see in the cabinet? I mean, I've got a list, you know, I'm kind of holding it close to my chest right now. But reveal it to us all here and there. Yeah, so that it doesn't get all messed up. But the offer does seem quite sincere.

Like what position in the cabinet would you like to see a libertarian in? Well, the softball position is Department of Education. I mean, that's one that we've been what position in the cabinet would you like to see a libertarian well the the softball position is department of education i mean that's that's one that we've discussed it's one he said that he'd abolish and and that language has been consistent now for like six or seven months they seem dead serious on it and while it's not secretary of state and that seems like it's promised us you know maybe to someone else already i think so pompeo right no oh no well i hope that no is right geez no it's a that's a no dog but um department of education is really critical because it may not we may not see it immediately but 18 to 25 years they're going to

turn off all the little npc switches and we'll have better people. And I think that that makes a lot of sense because the Republican administration, the conservative base completely overlap with the libertarian view of the Department of Education. Dismantle it. Yes. For different reasons. Some some reasons overlap for sure. The libertarians are like, if you gave us the keys, we dismantle all of it. But if you give us the keys, we dismantle all of it. But if you give us the keys, this one will dismantle it. And the conservative base and the Republicans are like,

this has become destructive to its ends and should be destroyed and shut down. So that's a really good partnership for us. And, you know, fingers crossed that it works out

and that they see that. All right, well, let's do this. Dan, I have a question for you. Are you voting for Donald Trump or Chase Oliver for president? I am. do this uh damn i have a question for you are you voting for donald trump or chase oliver for president i am uh i cannot see myself voting for either of those uh people i'm a biden guy and um i just think he's got what it takes um you know look i can make the argument for biden sure he's a disaster who makes the establishment, the Uniparty, look horrible.

It's not a terrible argument. Gridlock and acceleration. Yeah, I think Michael Malice's argument is let them keep exposing themselves. I'm sure Malice would be happy if there was a good candidate who actually did the right thing. But don't count out, don't ignore the positives of the failures of Biden. It's a thing that a lot of people have trouble wrapping their head around because it does not, you know, all of us are human beings. We're all stupid and lazy and we want to be stupid and lazy. Like that's what we all want.

And you have to fight against that. You know what I mean? Like if you're going to work on something, you have to make yourself get off the couch. You're like, the couch feels better than getting up and working on something. And you want information that confirms your already held views and things that are more complex are upsetting. But the truth is that sometimes, not always, but sometimes it's in a right wingers best interest for a Democrat to win. And sometimes it's in a left wingers best interest for a Republican to win. And sometimes it's in a left-winger's best interest for a Republican to win. For example, if you were, let's say, the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2016, Hillary

Clinton winning is not the best thing for you. Donald Trump winning was way better for you. If you're CNN, Donald Trump winning was way better for you. If you're Planned Parenthood. Yes. So there are at least, I'm saying it's not always clear and there at least are some advantages to having Joe Biden and compared to Donald Trump one of those is that Donald Trump energizes your enemies in a way that nobody else does and that's something that I do think should at least be considered into the equation but I gotta say I think the honest and logical response and from you too Angela even though I know you can't, is to vote for Donald Trump. And for two big reasons.

Getting a libertarian in a cabinet position dramatically empowers the Libertarian Party. This will effectively put the big L Libertarian Party in the press almost every single day on a major issue. And the other is an opportunity and hope that we're going to get less, we're going to get our troops out. We're going to get a little bit more of that in the right direction, despite the bad, because I will respect 100%.

Every time I have this conversation about foreign policy, they'll say the drone strikes, the commando raids. I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. He did still try to do things we've not seen before. I'll take that. But I do think that the opportunity for a cabinet position of the Libertarian Party legitimizes the LP in a massive way. I mean, there's a lot more than that, right?

He got up on stage and said that he would free Ross Ulbrich. And now maybe we're getting close. I'm still working on it. The fact that I can say and be dead serious that I'm still working on it is a huge, huge thing. Freeing Ross Ulbrich. So Ross Ulbrich is the, you know, the libertarian party. Like, he's our sweetheart. He's in person. He's been, he's a political prisoner. He's in prison for creating Silk Road. He's been mislabeled a drug dealer. But did he really create it? He's the Dread Pirate Roberts. Sure. You know, the, oh, yes, he is the Dread roberts sure you know the oh yes he is the drug the theory or one

of the working theories is that the reason the creator of the silk road used the moniker dead pirate roberts was the implication that the person who made it would pass it off to someone right and the person who was running it was not always the same person well and i don't know that it's like gossip girl yeah i don't know if we ever got to the point where it could be passed off but it's not just about ross it's about bitcoin cryptocurrency freedom and it's a sharp rebuke of the deep state and that's why it's really critical yeah look i mean i i don't i'll just say it like like this is my attitude toward it if donald trump keeps all of those promises if he's in, that would be great. And that would be better than what we'll get under Joe Biden on those issues for sure.

I do think that as far as you're like you asking me who I'm going to vote for, I have never been and still am not a huge believer in this kind of the theater of voting for president. And I think it's kind of weird. Like we all, there's a quasi-religious aspect to it where if there was anything else that you were like, hey, Dave, are you gonna do this thing where you have a one in 160 millionth of, you know, an effect on, and I would be like, no, I'm not spending two hours to do that. You'd be like,

yeah, that's a total waste of time. I mean, literally call your mom, high five a homeless guy. You'll have more of an impact on the world than voting for president, especially if you live in like a deep red or a deep blue state, as I do, and where you already know the outcome of this. Your vote essentially is a protest vote anyway at that point. To me, what I always see more is like, like my role in all of this is that I just try to tell the truth. Like that's what I, I think there are, there's, there's the game of like political calculations and then there's the game of just telling the truth. And the more you get into the game of political calculations, the less you have the freedom to just tell the truth about anything you want to.

So that's what I focus on. That being said, if Trump gets in and does all the great stuff you've gotten him to promise to do, I will certainly be pleased with that and give you the credit. So there's a simple component. Me taking a little bit of credit for leading the Mises caucus takeover. For pumping up the numbers. And there is the simple version of if i go vote what does it matter but the real point of the question is to the hundreds of thousands or more of people who are looking for confident leadership and they don't know if they can trust trump so they ask

dave i know you've been right about all of these things i'm curious how you feel about this again you're giving my honest listen my honest answer is that also that I don't look. Donald Trump was you can point to the five areas where he was very solid. And there were like a few things that he did very, very well. And like even within the anti-Assad rebels in Syria. And magically, magically, ISIS was, you know, and then he always brags about how we killed ISIS, but really. I mean, he turned it off. Well, yeah, exactly. And Vladimir Putin had something to do with killing ISIS too, but regardless of that, but that was a great move. He did negotiate the withdrawal from Afghanistan after surging in Afghanistan, which a war that he knew was unwinnable, that he ran on ending. So a little bit of a mixed bag, but he ultimately did it. But the real issues is that there are the United States of America is like a patient bleeding out with 12 bullet wounds. And to say, hey, I put my finger on this one while I actually shot the patient again two more times in these other areas is not quite good enough for me. And between, look, the real

thing that nobody wants to talk about this because it's just not that sexy of an issue. And if it wasn't for libertarians, it would probably never come up anymore. But government spending is such an important issue that we're just we are not only are we destroying this country under a mountain of debt that we're passing off to the next generation. But look, this is the corruption. This is the swamp. The reason why we live in such a corrupt system is because government spending has gone up so much. This is the money being extracted from the American, given to the politically connected. He increased that every single year. And his final year was 2020, where he was just like a disaster through the whole year.

Yes, but Dave, you're wrong on one thing. We are not passing off this debt to the next generation. It will be default by the time it gets to the next generation. That is true. Social Security is expected to begin its collapse in 2033. And by 2037, it's supposed to be completely insolvent. All right, fine. We're the next generation.

It got passed off to us. Yeah, that's it. We're us. You know, it's Gen Zs. They're going to be in their 30s, and they're going to be like, well, that's it. No money. System's broke. So I've pushed for a little involvement in Department of Treasury, too.

We'll see. We'll see. That would be good. I do believe, I would bet money that if Trump gets elected, he will put a libertarian in his cabinet because it is a zero cost maneuver. Correct.

It's easy for him. And even if it's not even a great position, I really do think that when you have a libertarian party, prominent personality, speaking at a podium for the press corps or whatever and saying, here's what our plan is. And their name appears on the screen with a big L next

to it. That is a massive move in the right direction for this country. Yeah, well, I completely agree with that. Yeah. And I do agree with you on the on the bullet holes of the patient. I don't know that they're actually I don't know that there's actually a way to save this dying patient. We're not going to stop spending. Here's what I think. Here's what I think. I think the uniparty establishment's worldview is we don't have to save the patient so long as we point guns at everyone else around the world and force them to treat our decaying corpse. So we're basically strapped to this medical gurney.

Or Joe Biden. Oh, absolutely. Hooked up with wires. And we're just grimacing in other countries like, you better give me the drugs I need to live. And they're terrified. I always think this way because I really don't think Donald Trump's worldview is massively deep.

I think he's like, I like America. I don't understand why they're doing these things. These things are bad. I look at it a bit more deeply as the results of what a Trump or Trump Trumpian worldview policies result in. When I see the Biden administration, Hillary Clinton, Obama, it is as we don't produce a lot. We're losing manufacturing to China and other countries. It has improved a bit in the past couple of years, partly because of Trump. Biden's also now stealing Trump policies. But the idea was so long as we maintain the petrodollar through hegemonic power and military bases around the world, we don't need to export anything because we control the printing of the petrodollar. And if anyone wants oil, they got to come to us first. So free economy for us. Trump's worldview and his people are like, this system is on the verge of collapse. In the past 15 years, we have seen massive dumping of U.S. dollars by Russia and China. They are saying no to the petrodollar. And now anyone could have predicted this. The petrodollar deal with Saudi

Arabia expired and Saudi Arabia has has not re-upped, meaning now they're going to start trading in yuan or rubles or something else. So now the U.S. is no longer guaranteed to get that free revenue in purchasing of petrodollar. The Trump worldview says we better secure our borders, get rid of Trans-Pacific Partnership, bring factories back, start manufacturing chips here. You can clearly see that we can't keep paying for NATO's defenses. Their expansionism makes no sense. If China takes Taiwan, we can't defend it. And then we lose access to chips. They need to do it here. Whether or not Trump's policies are actually built around that worldview, Trump himself, that's the direction it was going. And I say, we better do that because the ship is sinking.

You mentioned before trying to save the American empire. I'm glad to see the empire. I want to save the nation. My point is we have to abandon the empire in order to see the empire. Oh, no, no, no. I want to save the nation. Exactly. We have to, my point is we have to abandon the empire in order to save the nation. Exactly. I'm not saying you were saying you wanted to save the nation. I'm saying like that was what their goal was. And I'm like, I say the empire sink.

And then the United States secure its borders, mind its own business, get sound currency, get jobs and manufacturing back. And that direction for better or worse is the Trump direction. I have no guarantees that Trump actually makes that happen. But that's the, you know, I'm looking at a fork in the road and I see that and I'm like, I'll go that way.

Yeah, no, listen, I certainly understand the argument. I mean, there's a strong case to be made there. Look, I guess the real issue is that I just wish that I saw Trump actually making that argument. You know, like, look, Donald Trump, it just seems like, okay, so even earlier in the campaign, I remember, what was it? It was one of the CNN town halls he did, where he had that very

aggressive woman who was asking him questions, if you guys remember this back from last year, and his answer on Ukraine was, like, perfect. And she tried to, like, pin him down on it. That was the town hall they ended early, right? Yes, and he's just crushing and his answer was perfect She goes so don't you want Ukraine to win and he goes I want people to stop dying Yeah, I want the war to be over like I just want to negotiate an end to this and she's like so you don't care

about Ukraine winning and he's like By the way the people who care so much about Ukraine winning look at where that's gotten us It's gotten us more of them dying and they're still losing on top of that. So I'm saying his answer was perfect. Then cut to this last spending bill that Mike Johnson all of a sudden flipped and got behind. And Trump's bragging about how it's a loan, not a gift. Even though, by the way, it's a loan at zero percent interest with no enforcement mechanism for them paying it back. It was just more of a gift. So he's, and then at the same time, his criticism of Biden over the war in Israel seems to be that

he's like, uh, he goes, eh, in between giving Israel all those bombs, you sent some food to Gaza, you wimp. Yeah. You could be harder on them. I'll be a better friend to Israel. I mean, like, so he's actually kind of making the argument that we should be at least as involved in Ukraine and more involved in the war in Gaza. And that, to me, does not signal that this guy is actually leading us in a direction where we would be more America first. But the crazy thing that's frustrating about it is that I think it would be enormously popular amongst his base. And particularly if you add in Donald Trump's sales ability, like Donald Trump is the one guy who could convince the entire right half of America that like, no, this is not what we believe in. We don't believe in funding proxy wars of choice around the world on behalf of other nations that are either have zero strategic vital interest for us or in the case of, are a clear cost to America, that it is clearly against our vital strategic interest. Like, why is it that we want to be going down the tubes with Israel's reputation? Why? Why do we want to be complicit in this horrific assault? Like, call it

a genocide or just call it a mass murder campaign. Why on earth would we want to piss off not just the entire Muslim world, but now like the entire world is condemning what Israel is doing? I agree with you on those points. But where I disagree is I don't know that those are immediately disqualifying based on the things he's already done. But there are valid points that should be addressed and brought up to him and anybody who is advocating for him. Vivek, I know if you-

Angela, text me Trump's number real quick. Yeah, no. I'm going to get on the horn with him. Vivek would give you a world-class answer. Vivek was a smart move by Trump and Vivek working with him because that's a smart guy. And if you brought that up, he'd give you a world-class answer. But I think it is a legitimate concern. We've talked about this. Mike Johnson is all on board with Ukraine funding and Trump has bragged about working with him. And this is, as you mentioned, that I want people to stop dying. Our hope is, my hope, and people who have similar feelings to me, because I don't represent all Trump supporters, certainly, is that he's the guy who can simmer down World War III and stop it from happening. But if we're getting more funding to Ukrainian troops and Israel, that's the wrong

direction. I do want to mention one thing, give a shout out to aiden mattis of lore lodge because he was on the other day and he made it he made a hilarious point he said that gary johnson's position position on aleppo was the correct one yes what is it yes and it's like literally the president is a foreign policy guy who should know what's going on but i love the response of we shouldn't care. We should be like, look, that's halfway around the world, and the American people deserve our focus. Well, so, okay, see, I half agree with you,

but I'd say in a better world, that would be a totally appropriate answer. The problem is when you're running for president in 2016, and for four years your government has been funding a civil war in Syria and you're really supposed to know what Aleppo is because now it actually does really matter to the job and the same thing is like like in my heart of hearts I kind of maybe not like a hundred percent but I like 80% agree with you that it's like I just don't care I don't care about the rest of the

world I care about America like I 80% agree with that there's 20%'s like, oh, I do kind of care about this conflict or whatever. Not that we should be involved, but like that I'm interested in it or something. But the thing is, like, as an American, I don't think you can have that attitude in Syria. I don't think you can have that attitude in Israel. Because the truth is that the whole thing is an American operation. And so at this point, it's like, no, it's not just it's not enough to just say like, hey, that's that's like not our concern. It's like, actually, this is our concern because we are the ones causing this. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. But I got to

push back a little bit. I agree with you on the 80-20 thing. That's about where I am. I'm not an isolationist. I am concerned. And you should be. If we're seeing war erupt in Syria, Turkey, Afghanistan, anywhere, we should know about it in case it can expand to any of our interests, which is at home. But I don't necessarily agree with we should care about what's going on there now there because of what we did. Ron Paul said something really fascinating, like 17, 18 years ago, Afghanistan got the wrong prescription. And when you give the wrong prescription you cut it off you don't keep them on it if a doctor gave you know so if the

prescription was invasion what they keep saying is we can't just leave now it'll cause too many problems Ron Paul's position was nope we leave and that's it to be clear I'm also advocating we leave I'm not saying we stay there I'm just saying that it's like look like what's going on

right now in Gaza is that a war is, I don't even know if war is the right word. I don't know if, if, if just bombing the crap out of a captive people is a war exactly, but whatever you want to call it. Uh, there's a mass slaughter campaign with us weapons being dropped while us drones fly over Gaza and give the Israeli government intelligence information about that. So when that's happening now, this is our country. Look, this is a huge part of what motivated the hijackers on 9-11 was us backing up Israel. I'm saying from that perspective, we should be interested to get disinterested in the

situation. I agree. We should have no part in this is it worth it to try to try to curb the damage by like 10 well what do you mean and what if if we through our influence as libertarians can scale it back just by 10 is it worth it oh yeah absolutely you're voting for trump 10 but%. But 10% is a pipe dream. You know what I mean? Like 10%.

10%. Joe Jorgensen got 1.2% in 2020. Oh, I don't mean vote totals. No, she's saying like of the evil stuff the government does. I'm just pointing out that Joe Jorgensen got 1.2%. I don't know how that translates. I'm just saying it was. I know how it translates.

We are the most powerful voting bloc in the country right now. And we will decide the 2024 election results. I believe that's true. It will depend 100 percent on what we do. Me, the state chairs and for swing states and a handful of other people. We are the we are the ones. So so what is Joe Biden offered you? Well, received. I believe those were the words that his team said really received so you did make demands i didn't make demands i issued an invitation right we're just getting i i mean i declare war on joe biden and i i endorse chase oliver as the best way to take votes from joe biden get in loser you know. We're supporting Chase Oliver and we're stealing votes from Joe.

We'll start here. This is the conspiracy theory that there was a backroom meeting where I'm imagining Dave Smith wearing a nice, finely tailored suit and tie. You wearing this very wonderful pantsuit and Clint Russell as well. Michael Rechtenwald, Termot, Chase Oliver. And you all sat down and said. If Dave Smith is the nominee, it will pull votes from Trump and Biden will win in the deep state, will will be able to secure entrenchment and push out any anti-establishment forces. And so a secret plan was hatched where Dave would mysteriously bow out from the race and the deeply unpopular chase oliver will become the nominee to siphon progressive votes from the democrat ensuring trump's victory you know a beautiful plan beautiful plan i mean it's just like when

you tell it like that i am kind of like let's go with that story like none of it none of it happens but like let's just go with that story. There is, there's, there's a funny thing in the, the libertarian party. There's like this dynamic where you have kind of like the more culturally left leaning libertarians and the more culturally right leaning libertarians, broadly speaking. And there is a funny thing where it is very obviously in the interest, like, like Donald Trump couldn't have gotten a better nominee. I know. That's the perfect nominee for Donald Trump.

And it's the worst thing for Joe Biden, for Chaser. And a more right-leaning libertarian would kind of be the opposite. And so there is just a weird irony in all of that. Many of these guys accused us. They said that was the goal. Irony. That's what I'm saying. There's like conspiracy theories that you literally had it. They said that was the goal. That's what I'm saying. There's like conspiracy theories.

Yeah. That you literally had it. Right. I think that there, there's an irony that the person, the, the libertarians who hate Trump very much are supporting the person who will help him.

So we went over this voting block. Cause I think your point is interesting, right? Like Joe Biden is not going to the green parties situation and trying to win their voters because they're not as influential. Well, we've had some there's been some polling done and 67 percent of Chase Oliver's current supporters voted for Joe Biden in 2020. And another 11 percent voted for Howie Hawkins of the Green Party. So 78 percent of Chase Oliver's supporters.

All right. That's right. I'm going to invite Chase Oliver back onto the culture war for a one-on-one debate where I will intentionally lose. Oh, beautiful. So I have been going and endorsing Chase Oliver on any and every progressive podcast I can get onto of making a very good, compelling argument for why he is the best candidate to end the war in Gaza, talking about how he understands the Federal Reserve and monetary policy better and how that's going to end the wars. And I've just been going very hard for progressives. I don't agree.

I don't disagree with that. I think if I went to a progressive, I'd be like, I got to be honest, I think Chase Oliver is your best choice. I completely agree with you. There's another kind of just interesting dynamic with some of the cultural stuff versus the more hardcore policy stuff. But the truth is that Chase is, I think, I don't know the guy very well. I've only met him a couple of times, but I would say probably great on war, on guns, on taxes, on money, on spending. I mean, like issues that I bet all of us would probably see very eye to eye on.

There is just this weird cultural component of things where like what's bizarre is like even amongst anti-war leftists, like there's anti-war leftists who I love. I like really get along great with. I'm doing Glenn Greenwald's show in a couple days. Love Glenn Greenwald. Love Jimmy Dore. Love, you know, like I've read like tons of Noam Chomsky books and stuff. I like a lot of the anti-war leftists.

None of them are woke though. Correct. None of them are for trans and the kids. They all recognize, they're like, no, no, no, trans and the kids, that's like a CIA plot to divide us all against each other. We don't believe in that. But Chase kind of carries a lot of that cultural baggage. And I do think for a lot of us, and this to me is kind of bigger than libertarianism, to be honest, is that it's just like if you're okay with this, like if you're okay with child abuse, that's a deal breaker for me. I can't.

Here's my question for you, for both of you. Do you believe private businesses should be allowed to mandate vaccines for all employees and customers? Well, look. Can we dig into this a little? say this, that I would, I would say that the libertarian position kind of is that like businesses can do what businesses want to do. However, if you're talking about vaccine mandates, like private vaccine mandates in say 2021, where there has been the biggest assault on liberty in American history on this wide of a scale has just occurred by government fiat then the government has come in and created the or let's say funded the creation of this this

experimental vaccine and shielded these big pharmaceutical companies from any liability while they're not shielded from the profit they get to rake it all no but i'm just saying and in this context right after all of the government propaganda outlets are lying through their teeth to push this vaccine on everybody and then in those circumstances a business decides to mandate the vaccine to everybody i don't think the libertarian comment on that situation should be that's their right to do that this was the libertarian comment on that situation should be, that's their right to do that. The libertarian comment on that should be like, this is a giant statist operation that is totally antithetical to the free society that we want to live in. And so when a libertarian just comes out, now in pure libertarian land, a private business should be able to do whatever they want with their private business. But that's not what we're talking about.

It was a giant psyop. So I disagree in that it really comes down to Ron Paul and him saying about abortion, it should not be illegal, it should be unthinkable. Correct. And so the answer is always cultural. When culture shatters, and I think this is the big push of multiculturalism, because this is what this does. Yes, absolutely. Yes.

You then end up in a situation where you have basically large statist operations where everyone falls in line and marches in lockstep. If you had a strong culture that had moral lines and lines in principle, and there's a difference, but they like if everybody agreed, Michael Mauss had a great quote the other day. I'm going to I'm actually going to pull up his quote. I think it should be culturally unacceptable. But and so that's something you can't just make happen. I cannot. So let me try and find this quote from Michael Malice. I just want to let you guys know that Michael Malice is a

genius. He's a good friend of the show. We love him dearly. I don't care for the guy. You don't care for him, huh? Well, I'm scrolling down, so I'm pattering a little bit as I find this excellent quote that really sums up a lot. I normally like to cite—where is this? I normally like to cite Seamus Coughlin for this. Let me see if I can—why is it not coming up? Did it get deleted? I think it got deleted. No, no, no. I like to say Seamus Coughlin in that if everyone in the world had the same worldview as Seamus Coughlin, you would need no police.

You would need there would be no crime. There would be peace and harmony and no theft. And it's because his moral framework does not stand for those things. The issue is that everyone has different, know more a different worldview and then you'll just end up with people who like i don't know you don't care about you your your views are are bad to me and my views are bad to you and so that's ultimately where we're at right now as it pertains to uh i lost my train of thought trying to talk about the wrong culture right right right the malice quote yeah yeah yeah i'm trying to find this quote because it was so good and it's not popping up. I think you should just make it up.

I think you should just give a better quote. I don't understand why it's not popping up. Oh, it's right here. If everyone thought like me, we wouldn't have any murders. We wouldn't have any child abuse, no robberies, no theft, and very few rapes. Very few. He's a funny guy. But yeah, short of that, when it to uh my view is in the long term agreed

the long-term goal should be you don't need to mandate businesses do anything you don't need to put restrictions on them you don't need civil rights law because businesses do the right thing right now they don't and so my view is during during the uh or i don't remember when chase oliver tweeted this but he said i believe private businesses should do whatever they want, but government should not be allowed to. I said, hey, that's a pro vaccine mandate stance, because what people need to understand about the mandates for employees, for performers, it was all done privately, not literally all of it, but the bulk of it. My friends are musicians. They're like this venue decided to do this. The government did not make them do it. but the bulk of it. My friends who are musicians, they're like, this venue decided to do this. The government did not make them do it. They decided.

It's gross. However, Joe Biden did try that. He did. If you have 100 employees or more. Yeah, which ultimately failed. And of course, there were during the reign of the vaccine passports, there was like in major cities across the country. It was actually the law of the land that if you were a building, you had to be vaccinated in order to enter the building. I think, look, one of the major reasons why I am a libertarian, this is one of the very major reasons why I'm a libertarian, as opposed

to being some other flavor of kind of like right-wing dissident, is that I do think that libertarianism in general offers solutions that get to the core of the issue, whereas a lot of times just kind of reactionary right-wing policies are very surface level. And so, listen, there is something very surface level where you have the government locks down the country, or the government declares a state of emergency, locks down the country, prints $6 trillion in a year, destroys the value of the dollar, has all of these awful policies. Then, by the way, the government stands down and allows rioters to riot through the summer. Then the government funds developing this vaccine, then shields these companies from liability, gives them immunity, all of this, right?

And then there's like a private business who's mandating it. And it's very tempting to come in and go, we just need a little bit more government power in order to say that business can't do that. But I'm just saying, if you really want to get at the heart of this beast, it's to get rid of all this government involvement that created this whole mess.

But the issue then is it's always about culture because laws written down don't matter. I do want to say this though. That's why me and you are talking in microphones instead of running for Congress. You know what I mean? Like, that's why we're trying to change the culture. You mentioned the reason why you're a libertarian is because you get to the root of a lot of this. I completely agree. And the issue I take with a lot of libertarians is that and I know it's going to be very offensive to a lot of libertarians. But they share an emotional trait with communists in the overly idealistic approach to how things get taken care of. I agree.

So my view is. Well, in the sense that like there there's idealists amongst libertarians and communists. Sure. But like there's a pretty big difference. Some of us are willing to do the crappy work so that the rest of you can still be idealists and cling tightly to every single ideological position. I think the Libertarian Party's position, I shouldn't say the whole party, but the members of the party who hold the open borders position is a good example of the faction of people who are idealists and not realists. So when I saw Chase Oliver win, despite all these positions and the people who are idealists and not realists. So when I saw, you know, Chase Oliver win,

despite all these positions and the people who are cheering and booing, I got to admit it. I loved, I forgot the guy's name, who said he was a doctor and he had prescribed vaccines and he got booed by everybody. My response to that was like, I'm sitting in the back of the room as the debate's happening. And I was like, this guy's a libertarian who believes there should be no mandate, who has firsthand experience, and he's telling you his experience and you're booing him for it. Why? I don't know why you're booing his experience. You can, you can, you can, like, I don't understand.

And I'm like, you read something on the news in your circle that asserted something as fact that you believe in trust. Here's a guy who says the mandates are wrong, but here was my experience. So you boo. I'm like, I see the idealist in the Libertarian Party, an overly idealistic party. What are the Democrats and Republicans do? The Democrats come out and they say, what does our base want? And they go, these are the really popular positions right now. And then they Democrats, Republicans will release their party platform trying to focus

on the core issues that affect the nation, which is why they dominate. The libertarians say, we don't care about none of that. We care about our ideals, which is fine. But when you have immigration as the number two issue, according to Gallup, among voters, and a good portion of the libertarian party is like, open borders, Ellis Island model, and they nominate the guy who says, let him come in. Well, I'll say to Chase's defense, he did say Ellis Island, at least not straight open borders. But Ellis Island was open borders. I mean, I guess. It's a slightly less open border.

Technically, you had to like pass a screening or something like that. That took an hour. Yes. I mean, technically, our borders are not completely open. They say. Yes, we don't exactly have open borders. We don't really do that either. But he has a video where he's at the border saying they should be allowed to walk in and then come here and work and live that is yeah open

borders yeah okay sure i'm not going to fight you on that but let me just i think there's a couple things that need to almost be separated here right so the the idea of being idealistic i think is fine and i think is good and i actually think people should, we should demand more out of our system than we currently get. I think open borders, and I've gotten in a lot of arguments with open borders libertarians, I think is wrong in theory,

not just a disaster that it would be in practice, but I think it's like, it's a totally wrong theory to deduce from libertarianism that there should be open borders. Like it does not make sense. There's been a lot of great libertarian thinkers who have written on this, but just in short, the idea of like, okay, libertarianism essentially is about property rights and the non-aggression principle. And if you're at self-ownership, now, if you're,

if you believe in that, then essentially what libertarianism you could deduce from that would be that, Tim, you own this building. Anyone who you invite to this building, you have a right, has a right to come to this building. So in a sense, you could say anyone who America invites into this country has a right to come. But the idea that you can deduce from property rights that masses of uninvited people just have a right to come here, even if the domestic population does not want them to come. That is just bonkers. That's antithetical to freedom.

I just want to shout out how on the Culture War last week, I called Karen Ann a communist. And I said, you're all communists. And I meant that as a joke. Sure. But my point I was making is we were talking about how in Huntington, I think it's Huntington, West Virginia, right? They made a pride mural in the street. And my attitude is

people should not be destroying these things. That's not the way we want. That's not how a society should function. It's not the society we want to live in. That's anti for society. When you engage in those behaviors, the leftists are going, yes, more destruction of social norms.

We're supposed to be sitting down with each other and begrudgingly accepting compromise to live and be neighbors. So I'm bringing this up. Karen Ann says, well, the people were coerced into paying for it effectively. I hate quoting people because I may misquote her, but I believe her position was there are people who live there who did not want that painted. My response is if you do not vote, if you have a system in place where we all agree, okay, if you have a city council, we vote for city council. If you do not go out and do your work to knock on doors, to register voters and vote,

and an opposing political faction gains control. And then through the system you agreed upon and you live here decides to paint the street that is in accordance with your social agreements with your neighbors. And I have no problem with this. You don't have to live in Huntington, West Virginia and pay them taxes. You can move. I'm not saying it's easy. The argument being made by her and many libertarians is that the community, the jurisdiction can't force you to pay for something they want to do. The reason why I call that communist is here's how I view it. I own a house. I've lived here for 20 years. And every Friday night we have pizza and wings. Everybody pitches in. Some people move out. Some people move in.

But whenever someone's moving in, we say, hey, just so you know, every Friday night, everybody puts in 10 bucks because we have pizza and wings. Well, one day there's a kid. It's been 20 years. He's 18. And he moves in. He goes, I don't think it's fair. You know, look, I was born here. It's not fair that I have to pay for pizza and wings. And we go, OK, well, no one's keeping you here. You don't have to live by our rules. We love you and appreciate everything you've done. And there's the door. And they go, no, I should get to live here without paying for it. Even though it's your community and your rules and your standards, I'm not going to raise money to vote. I'm not going to convince anybody not to do it. I'm just going to say outright, I shouldn't

have to. And I'm like, OK, now you're in my house telling me what I have to do outside of the norms of society. There's this view among many libertarians, the open border libertarians, and this is sort of to your point, that our jurisdictions don't matter, that collective, that community isn't allowed to make pacts with each other. I don't care if it's a government or a private organization. Organizations are organizations. And if someone comes into my organization, whether it's, you know, me and my neighbors formed a neighborhood watch or a pact, and we all agree on these terms. Everyone agreed this is how we're going to vote. And then someone doesn't like it. Now, all of a sudden, they're saying they don't have to be involved in it, even though we agreed like that doesn't work.

And so a communal jurisdiction like a community like Huntington, West Virginia, yes, there's a lot of people there who are upset. They live there and they didn't like that it happened. I got bad news, right? In Charlestown, West Virginia, they have a mostly liberal city council progressive, despite the fact that it is overwhelmingly Christian. There's a Latin mass in downtown Charlestown. And I asked one of the council members who's conservative, why? Why is it progressive city council? And he goes, because conservatives don't vote. And I'm like, okay, like, so there's your problem. The problem is not that you were coerced by your small community into paying taxes to fund a street painting. It's that nobody does the work and then complains that the people who did can control the coffers. Well, I mean, look, I certainly think that

this is one of the problems of government in general is that it is an instrument of force and there are winners and losers within that game. But so I think the ultimate libertarian answer is you privatize this stuff and then it solves the problem.

Like in your example, you can do that in your house and you can have these rules where if you live here you pitch in for now it's done on a voluntary basis and it's your choice to accept those or not accept this question but well let me just very quickly say i think that what a lot of those open borders libertarians type almost get wrong is that it's like okay you can be against the state forcing people, but you're not supposed to be against the nation or against the community in general. And something like open borders or the de facto open borders that we have today are like the most wildly unpopular thing. It's like, it's not even like the majority of the country's against it. Like over 90% of the country's

against it. I have a question. What's the difference between a private house deciding we're going to have, we're going to spend money in a certain way and a community of a thousand people doing the same thing? Well, look, okay. So the difference is between voluntary interaction or forced interaction. It's what's the difference between making love or rape?

I mean, it could be the same action, but the difference is whether people consented or not. And to that, like to your example, right? Like of making rules in a house, that is a voluntary like interaction. If I, if I was, but how is, how is Huntington? There's some level of duress. Well, because look, because look,

if there's people in, in this community who don't wish to fund the public roads they don't have a choice so they're forced to that's true they can move out they vote no okay yeah but that's but that's different i mean like if you're in my house and we all have an agreement and i'm not an authoritarian who rules the house i everyone gets to say sure and then seven out of ten people say spend the money on pizza the The three people who don't like it can be like, well, I don't want to give you money for this. And I say, well, we all agreed. You agreed this is how we handle things. Maybe you should move out. But if you agreed that that's,

then you just answered the question of how it's voluntary because they agreed. The question is when I'm in my house, I'm not in your house and I'm not in your house and I'm in my house with my own rules. And now you're going to say, okay, we're taking a percentage of your income to fund something you don't want to fund. I still disagree because you are afforded many great benefits and privileges that you did not ask for, that you pay for. And I would assume that most people. Well, like, what do you mean? Where do you draw the line on getting to say no? This is the real challenge with what's going on. I just want to, what did you mean is the the real challenge with that with what's going on i

just want to what did you mean by like the benefits and privileges that um roads my roads for uh you have a you have a fire department you have police whether you like the police or not that's that so that's an interesting coin toss but fire department for sure uh emt is the 911 service uh uh there is emergency cellular infrastructure that will work for any cell phone regardless of whether you pay for it roads is an obvious one, but I respect the idea of putting up tolls and things like this. I just mean that we are in the safety bubble of the world. Public utilities.

Okay. Well, but I'll say this. Okay. I'll grant you all those things. Let's even for the sake of argument, just say cops are good. Okay.

Like just for the, to move past that one. First of all, it is the, the money that I'm forced to pay for those services is the biggest ripoff in human history. Literally, I pay over half of my income in taxes for the, the, what should be a fraction of that much for those services. So it's not as if there's some gift to me, but look, but you can say,

look, somebody else, forget even government related to that stuff. We're all in a sense, given all of these privileges by people who just invented things and came up with new technologies and all of that. That doesn't then mean that that person could come to me and say your money or your life,

because I benefit. Hold on, hold on. Let's break this down. The one thing I do want to add without getting too personal is there's a difference between paying taxes for things that are a ripoff and being a net taxpayer. The overwhelming majority of Americans are not net taxpayers. Yeah, screw them. I'm talking about me.

I'm just kidding. Here's the challenge. I certainly would prefer to live in a world where I have my home. I have my property and any money they want to take from me. They got to ask for first. I do not consent to the bombing of children in these foreign countries. I do not consent to the funding of Israel so they can get be involved in their war with Gaza, regardless of your moral stance on it or Ukraine.

That is all wrong. And so I will scream to the high heavens every night in the show. I will advocate as much as I can. I like foreign policy has always been the bigger issue for me. And that's why I think the president matters because foreign policy is his domain. Congress should be declaring wars and the president should be allowed to get involved in war. So I want a president who's going to do the inverse and stop these things. My point is simply, here's the challenge. We are we're all born in this country where we stand on the shoulders of

giants. The roads that have been paved, the mountains that have been bore through, the bridges that have been built that simply exist, whether we pay anything or not. You can be a destitute, homeless man who has zero income, and you can freely walk across large $200 million bridges that connect places that you'd have never been able to get to before. And you say, but I never asked for it. And I'm like, and that's true. So the challenge is not, it's a combination of things. I shouldn't say not. The expansion of human jurisdiction and the size of population makes it impossible for you to just decide to go live in the woods. Yeah. 200 years ago, you'd say, I don't like any of you. I don't

like your rules. The woods, I'm going to go stake a claim. And you could, you can't do that anymore. There are some, in some ways you can. There are still people who homestead land and stuff like that in certain parts of the country, but yes, it's not. But the federal government will still come in if, so even when you don't generate US dollars, the federal government actually in law will take your pumpkins or your chickens. No joke. They actually say state that U.S. dollars is not the only way to pay taxes. So if you get a homestead and you say, I don't care for U.S. dollars, I'm going to grow tomatoes. Taxman shows up and says, we're taking those tomatoes. We're taking 20 percent of your tomatoes because

we're owed it. That's a problem. And so the challenge we're in is the system has become so large. We are we are born into benefits which we do receive in a system that expects us to keep paying into it to maintain all of these things in some way and many people don't agree to live that way my challenge is this it is difficult but you can still go to an uninhabited island and homestead there and both mostly be left alone and then you will be excised from all the modern benefits of society but it's not a realistic argument well there's also there's a why not inflation because you're conflating society and the state yeah so like there are a ton of benefits that we get from society much more so

than we get from the state i mean much more so than we get from any government program we just get benefits from the fact that like people have figured out modern farming and irrigation and all types of things that I don't understand, but benefit from every single day that just other men and women have worked really hard to create that we inherit the benefit of. But then when you get that, this is the beauty of like the free market and a society. If you want to make anything for yourself, like you got to go provide value to everybody else in order to do that, whether that's getting a job or selling a product or whatever it might be. And so you have that. But look, as far as like what the government gives you in the same sense that like I think, you know, like if I took your logic all the way to its most absurd conclusion or something like that, if you were to like kidnap someone and lock them in their basement and then every day go get them a happy meal from McDonald's or something, you can't just

sit there and be like, well, listen, I'm justified because you do get some stuff from me. You know, I got you a new pair of jeans and a happy meal, so I'm justified in taking your liberty. But you can't leave. Well, my point is that, look, if the government, okay, even with a different situation where you could leave. But look, I'm just saying, if all of these things that you're talking about, like let's say the services from government that you do benefit from, theoretically, make the whole thing voluntary, and we'll find out real quickly what people benefit from and what they don't. Solution.

Only net taxpayers can vote. Well, that's not the solution. I think what I said is the solution that might be a mechanism to get us closer to that and i do think that look i mean as much as it is um you know it's it's very demonized now looking back at the the past that the framers uh plan was that only white male landowners would get to vote. And I certainly understand the racial objections to that. But you could at least understand where, from the founders' point of view, they were like, well, obviously everyone can't just vote.

It's got to be someone who owns land. One vote per household. Well, if you don't own land, then obviously they're just going to vote other people's stuff away and then we'll all be poor. And so, yeah, there's something to that. Net taxpayer voting means that only people who are paying, obviously, are going to affect what gets paid for. And so right now, I'll tell you one big issue I have, right? So Democrats really want women in the draft and conservatives really do not. And I'm just kind of like conservatives are taking this very progressive position and Democrats are taking this very progressive. They're both progressive positions.

The Republican position is that women should be afforded all the rights and privileges of society and authority without civic responsibility. And Democrats are arguing men and women are the same. They're both very progressive positions. So, you know, if you go back to the suffrage movement, one thing that's lost in the conversation is that it only passed 19th Amendment because a deal was cut where women would not have to assume civic responsibility and would get the right to vote regardless. I think that was a huge mistake. I have no problem with women voting. By all means, please vote. But there's got to be equal civic responsibility.

So if that means you're going to be fire brigade, it means you're going to be drafted. Drafted does not mean frontline infantry. It could mean administrative work, driving cars, cooking food, cleaning kitchens. But it means when the time comes and conflict arises, women are called to action in whatever way they can serve. Right now, we're in this in this reality where we have second class citizens. Women get to vote. They don't have to die for it. And they can all collectively vote to send me to die or younger men to die for it. And they can all collectively vote

to send me to die or younger men to die in Ukraine. And that's what they're doing. Democrats are overwhelmingly female and overwhelmingly vote for war and funding for Israel to not younger Democrats. I know are opposed to funding Israel, but they love funding Ukraine. Not all of them. There's a lot of anti-war left, but they all fly the Ukrainian flags. Hundreds of billions of dollars pumped into that war machine, which is inching us towards a World War III where they may very well have to draft people. And it is predominantly liberal women. The Democratic Party is overwhelmingly female. Two thirds of millennial women are voting to go have men die in war. I think that's that's a nightmarish problem.

It's and it's particularly like particularly like single childless women. If you look at your break if you break down the demographics. To your point, when the founding fathers are like, you've got to own property to vote because otherwise people will just vote away other people's stuff. I am not surprised the Democratic Party overwhelmingly favors funding of war when it has shifted so heavily into female territory where there's no consequences for the women who vote for it. There is. It's just long-term consequences, not short-term. Meanwhile, Harry Sisson, who loves Joe Biden, is going to be on the front lines. Should this actually expand into a deeper conflict? They have been you know, they keep saying, oh, there's no there's no the draft's not going to happen. But they just automated it.

Congress keeps inching towards preparing selective service for a mass draft with the move from the Armed Services Committee to include women in the draft, yo, anyone who thinks they're not getting ready for a draft is not paying attention. Yeah, I don't want to be drafted. I'd give up my vote to not draft. And that was the argument back in the 1900s. Certainly. The anti-suffragettes.

Well, it was not negotiated very well on the other end. I would say it was negotiated very well for women. So my view is, I talked with Vivek about this, either in order to vote, you have to sign up for selective service by choice, and you don't have to. If you don't, you don't vote. That's it. Or some people have proposed only net taxpayers vote. I like that better. Yeah. But I think that, look, there's also... Wait, wait, real quick. How about if you vote

for war, you are also simultaneously volunteering for it? I think... No, that I like. That is a much better option. That I really like. A much better option. I hope that that would reduce our tax burden, too. And I'll just add real quick, if a war came to these shores and I was asked to defend

the Constitution, I don't like the Democrats or the Uniparty, but if it was about the core of this nation, I would vote yes. And I would gladly, gladly accept the consequences of what that means, volunteering to be active in that. In whatever way I could serve to defend this country. I would never support a war that I wasn't willing to fight in myself. Correct. I mean, there's not one.

There's not. I mean, and I wasn't willing to fight in myself. Correct. I mean, there's not one. There's not, I mean, and I don't know, that's just like, especially since having kids, especially because it's just like, I feel like an obligation of like, I can't die because I got little kids. Right. You know, it's like, I kind of felt different when I was like single where it's like, I don't know, something happens to me, it happens to me. But now I'm like, I can't at least for a few more years.

I got to like see these kids. Right. If you look at the senator and congressmen who are voting for war, go through any of their children are enlisted. Right, right. It's very rare. It's very rare for that. That's the case.

And but look, it would just be insane. I mean, I'm 41, so I'm not exactly like the prime target to like get drafted, but I'm still an able bodied man. How would I be sitting here saying, hey, there's this fight, and I think this is a worthwhile fight. You guys go do that. Like, no, if I was going to support a war, I'd be willing to go fight and die in that war. And so I do think it's crazy that anyone gets to, you know, kind of have no skin in the

game in that sense and fight. But to your greater point, look, there's no question you'd have to at least admit that there's a huge incentive issue for non-net taxpayers to get to vote. Like, there's just a huge incentive problem there, which is that there's a conflict of interest. Like, of course, like, you know, look, Mitt Romney said this, if you remember, in 2012 and got a lot of heat for it. And he said it because the way he said it was kind of dismissive of those people, I guess I forget his exact language, but there was the thing about how 47% of people are net tax receivers, net benefit receivers.

And that he was like, look, the message of like lower taxes to them isn't an appealing message because they're receiving benefits. So you're basically saying you're going to cut their benefits and they don't pay taxes. So how does that help them? And I think he called them takers or something like that. And then they were like, oh, you're saying people on social security are takers and got into that. But there was a real point that he was making there, which is that there's a huge portion of the electorate who are

living off the dole. Here's the progression of the American electorate, very easily explained. Elections favor the unemployed. Oh, 100%. If you do not have a job, that's a good point. It's easy to go vote. And that means the interests of the unemployed will outweigh the interests of the employed.

Or at least disproportionately. Anybody who works overtime and has a really stressful job, they're much less likely to vote. And so what does that mean? It also means that childless people are favored and their interests will be outweighed. Yeah. Or their interests outweigh. So if you are a parent with kids and you have work, you get off work, it's election day.

I got to pick up the kids from school. What do you do? Well, you pick up the kids from school and then you're like, I can't vote. And so if I think I think election day should be one day, paper ballots and a holiday. And, you know, Republicans have said, well, that would like it will. But if you allow families to actually take the time off to go and vote, you will get more mothers and fathers voting and more hardworking Americans voting. Look at what L.A. did and then do the opposite of that. L.A. has a voting period that lasts 11 days and they have special centers all over the county where you can drop your ballot at any time. So take that model and do the complete opposite and then you'll have a better outcome. Yeah. There's also, there's something to the dynamic that, because it's kind of like this

vicious cycle where, you know, like democracy leads to growth in the size of government, bigger government does everything it can to undermine families and communities and religion because it's a threat to their kind of, you know, their rule or their monopoly on their rule. And then the more you undermine families, the more kind of like single childless women you have. Look, I'm just saying we've all, everybody knows the dynamic I'm talking about. When you talk about there's these women who do not have kids who end up trying to mother society, who are trying to kind of like,

you know who's not trying to mother society? My wife, because she's already a mother. She's already got kids to mother. She doesn't need to try to like, have a safe space on a college campus or something like that. And that is a mother. She's already got kids to mother. She doesn't need to try to like, like have a safe space and a college campus or something like that. And that is a problem. And I'll make one quick, quick point before we jump to a last segment. I want to squeeze in when it comes to the media, the women who are writing these articles about feminism and the goals of women, they are single childless women. Why it it's a, it's, it's, it's a pressure system. That's,

that's how I refer to these things. If you are single and childless, it's easy pressure system that's how I refer to these things if you are single and childless it's easy for you to write all the time if you are a mom with raising a kid you have much less time to write these things or you're not writing them at all so media overwhelmingly favors feminists that's a big part of it but it's also the fact that

look, parenting is something that is hardwired into us. Like no matter what your politics are, you can always that the reason the species exists is because we keep having more of us. And so that, and particularly women, and this is something that almost every woman knows, or if she herself hasn't experienced it, then like all of her girlfriends have experienced it. It's a hormonal instinct. Women have baby fever. They see babies and they're like oh my god i haven't had a baby yet i want to have a baby like in a way that men don't and so there also is not only do they

have more time but there's this impulse and i think it's a beautiful impulse it's just when it's applied in the wrong directions it can be destructive nurse ratchet but yes right yeah right it's like this this nurturing impulse to take care of things this This is why they all get cats, right? Like when they don't have kids, they get cats. And also they get, you know. Toxoplasmosis. And then they're parasitically attached to their cats. We're going to squeeze in one last segment for good measure. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the wonderful cheap fake, they call it, Joe Biden.

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I'm not sure I'm not sure Yeah, you and your cheap fake. He was actually nailing it. You just made him look bad. Here we go. Cheap fake. Jill Biden's husband. Thanks to all the members of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary. I'm not sure I'm going to do shit all the way. But all kidding aside, Secretary Marcos.

Dude, the fact that he goes, but all kidding aside, and that a couple people just uncomfortably chuckle. They have to pretend that was a joke. Good one, Joe. Nailed it. You can see very slightly panic blinking from Mayorkas in the corner. What do we do? What do we do? And then he just keeps going.

It's like he glitched. It was beautiful. I hope we get lots and lots more of them. I'm feeling inspired, but maybe not the way. I'm a little nervous about his other replacement theory we talked about earlier, because I really would like it to stay the way it is, because I'm planning on renewing my attempt to file conservatorship over Biden after the Democratic National Convention. You actually going to file conservatorship? 100 percent, yes. We are going to really wreck the Biden campaign and be serious chaos agents. You see what happened when they freed Britney? You want another Britney on your hands?

Yes. Yes. Turn over Joe Biden to me. Free Biden. You know, Matt Walsh was gloating over this because he was saying like, all these people are screaming free Britney. And he's like, the woman's clearly sick. And, you know, and then they freed her.

And now she's clanking knives. Well, that's one W for Matt on that one, I'll say. Actually, I think it's fine, because she was enslaved by her father doing shows, and it was gross. Yeah, look, I think there was a lot of sketchy stuff going on there, and she clearly doesn't have some great people around her.

However, I do think that that, and look, I don't i don't know that much about the details of britney spears story so i'm kind of you followed it every single detail no i really you're covering i don't know i don't know much but on the third day of the hearing the judge um but i will say that i did immediately when i heard about the story and everyone's like free britney this is evil she's a slave. Essentially, you're like, listen, a judge saw something that led this judge to create this conservative. I'm just saying there was probably like a shrink involved. I don't disagree.

This chick is crazy. And she can't be on her own. So I just tweeted free hashtag free Biden. Free Biden. Free Biden. We're doing it. We're getting loser. We're stealing votes from Joe Biden.

We're locking him up in a conservatorship. It's going to be the best election season ever. I'm saying free him from his conservatorship. I know. I'm ready for it. You're all ready on that? He's not even in it yet? He's making the knives in front of the camera.

This isn't a thong for some reason. They all do that. This is the narrative they're giving us right now. NBC News says the deceptive Biden G7 video was quickly debunked. It kept going viral anyway. There was nothing to debunk. Quite literally nothing to debunk. Yeah, they claim.

We know that he walked over and looked at other troopers and gave them a thumbs up. We know that. He just sort of meandered away right as someone was about to say, hey, I'm here to see you. And so very awkward looking. I'll break this down. These people, this is the game they play. I always describe it. I hope people remember this. Donald Trump will give a flower to a small child and then everyone will share the video. And then Snopes and NBC will say, fact check. Did Donald Trump give a child to give a flower to a small child?

Dot, dot, dot on Sunday morning? False. Trump did not give a flower to a child on Sunday morning. It'll write a thousand words and the very bottom will say, well, he did give a flower to a child on Saturday morning. It was not Sunday. Yeah, they add fake context. Let me explain this context here.

We know Joe Biden was at this G7 event where paratroopers were landing. All of the world leaders were together, huddled together, watching a guy land. For seemingly no reason, Biden spins around and then walks away from the group in a in a shuffling, meandering, confused kind of way. I'm not saying he was literally just he looks a little lost. And the other world leaders immediately start looking at each other and then start moving towards him. And then the Italian prime minister grabs him to pull him back. And we were like, what is he doing? He's supposed to be here with the other world leaders paying attention to the presentation.

And he wanders off to give a thumbs up to some other guys. Now what they're doing is they're claiming that our claim was that he was doing nothing, that he just walked away for no reason. And now we've debunked that because there were people there. And we're like, no, we know there were people there. He got distracted like a child and walked away from what the crowd was focused on. He seemingly forgot that they were all supposed to be doing something all together.

Dude, I forget what it was. There was the story that I was telling earlier about Hillary Clinton laughing on tape about getting that guy off. There was a Snopes piece that said it was false. This is years ago. I can't remember exactly how they did it, but they basically just did like what you said where they change what the claim is. They go, the claim is Hillary Clinton was laughing at the girl, but she was actually laughing at how ridiculous. And you're like, no, that was never the claim.

The point is that she's retelling the story and finds it amusing when you'd think you would be like horrified. You're, you're discussing the torture of a 12 year old with a smile on your face. So they do this all the time. I will say, this is my concern about this cheap fake thing, because at first you kind of look at it and it's the first impulse is almost like make fun of it. You're like, okay, this is really what you're going to claim. You're going to claim that actual videos are still deep fakes or you're going to, you're going to try to, your propaganda line is what that right wingers have made up that Joe Biden's in severe mental decline, that that's not something we can all see in front of our face. This is what actually creeps me out about this though.

And I'd say that this is something we know very intimately from what we do right now. This exact moment, uh, June of, of, uh, 2024 is actually not very bad censorship wise compared to where we've been in the last few years, 2020, 2021, even 2022 were much, much worse where you were worried about what you could say and what you couldn't say. And if you wanted to talk in 2020 about being against the lockdowns or being against the COVID regime or anything like that, you were risking censorship. If you wanted to talk about, say, people who have been injured by a pharmaceutical product in the year 2021, 2022, you were risking a lot more. It's not so bad. We still have to live obviously with like the YouTube terms of service or the iTunes or whatever it may be,

which by the way, I know me and you both wish we lived in a world with none of that, but you got to play the game. We can say the election was stolen now. Well, right now you can say that. So, so I relatively, we're relatively more free in what we can say now. I do think, keep in mind, that there's an election coming up in November. Yes. And that we're going to see a ramp up in this. And so what I think is that things like this are little trial balloons of kind of like feelers of like, oh, by the way, you know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off YouTube?

You know what might be grounds for getting you kicked off Instagram or Facebook is if you had a cheap fake, which by the way means any video of Joe Biden obviously being in severe mental decline. Been there, done that. There was the video of Nancy Pelosi that was going viral that it was like her slurring. And then fact checkers were like,

this is not, this is slowed down. It's unfair. So they banned the guy. Yeah. It's like, youurring. And then fact checkers were like, this is not this is this is slowed down. It's unfair. So they banned the guy. Yeah. It's like you can't even make memes because the memes are deceptive. Well, this is the thing is that they are. And this is why they were so furious with Elon Musk is that they the powerful people in this country are convinced that they can't win a fair fight. So like, you know what I mean?

Like, if we just allow everybody to have their platforms, we're going to be destroyed. I'll give you an example that I would love to give because I love poker so much. Angela, are you familiar with how to play poker? Yes. Are you guys familiar with angling or angle shooting?

A deceptive play that kind of goes outside the norms of the game. It's a game of information and deception. There are people who break the spirit of the game to get an unfair advantage. This is how the Democrats play elections. Republicans know they're playing poker and that they got to have the best information. They got to withhold information. There's opposition research. It's an information game. Democrats are just like, what are the rules? So an example of this is when you get when you're playing Texas Hold'em poker and you get to what's called

showdown, it's the end. Everyone shows their cards and whoever has the better hand wins. There's a move that deceptive, dishonorable people do where at a table, if you're all being friendly with each other, when it comes to showdown, sometimes you don't want to show your hand because you don't want to reveal information about how you play. So you'll go, I got an ace. The other guy will go, no, I got a pair. And you'll go, okay. And you'll throw your cards in with no one seeing them. And the other guy doesn't show his cards either, but you're like, fine, whatever. Probably a mistake. I was at a table once where two guys were betting, they bet big. And then one guy says, I got a straight. It's a good hand, a straight one, two, three, four, five. The other guy goes,

all right. And throws his cards into the muck. The guy then flips over his cards and goes, psych, almost. And the other guy goes, wait, what? I won. And he goes, too bad, kid. Learned a lesson and took all the money. And they said, you threw your cards away.

And he was like, but I thought he was telling me, he said he had a straight. And they were like, did he show you a straight? He's like- It's like technically not against the rules, but it's totally against the spirit of the game. Everybody was like, bro, that's really funny. You and he was like, that's the game.

He's like, and he started laughing and he shovels all the money over. This is how Democrats run elections. They're making moves behind the scenes that are technically not against the rules. Ballot harvesting in states where it's legal, universal mail-in voting. Sure. And Republicans think that they're playing an honest game where they're trying to convince their opponents. That was 2020.

So in 2020, they're like, all the Republicans, myself included, we were like, not as a Republican, but as a Trump voter, because I don't like the Republican Party. We were all like, we clearly won the argument. Donald Trump has done some bad things. We can all recognize these things. But his polling is within the margin of error in the swing for a bias in Democrats. The Moody's analytics, the pandemic made things a little unsure, but certainly he's won the argument. In fact, he gained more voters. He won the Bellwether counties. But Biden still won somehow because Democrats are playing a totally different game where they were like, we don't have to, quote unquote, cheat. We just have to play the game that is dishonorable. And that's what they do.

Well, I will be playing a very different game in 2024. Very, very excited. You know, they are ramping up the censorship already. They came after, the FBI came after the Libertarian Party's Facebook page. Whoa, what? Oh, yes. What did they say? They told us that we had been compromised by a hostile foreign government. So I filed a FOIA request immediately. This happened right before the convention. I filed a FOIA request and they

came back and said, no, you don't get any documentation beyond what we've said because you're still under investigation. This is not a joke. I've had two calls with the FBI, so has the party's attorney. And so what's happened with the Facebook page in the meantime? Nothing right now. So you still have control of it? Well, technically, we went in and I had staff call and get on the phone with Facebook's IT support. The access logs have all been wiped, so we can't see who's logged in and logged out. A hostile foreign power. When we pressed and said, we need't see who's logged in and logged out and hostile foreign power when we pressed and said we need to know who's logged in and out you know we're changing our passwords and doing all of our it uh safety checks they said talk to the fbi my friend the fbi said we'll tell

you nothing because we're the government and trust us yes fbi what do you think we're putin supporters that was like two years ago. We're Hamas supporters now. Keep up. They are definitely cracking down. That's big news. I love that the libertarians are- Has this been publicized? Yeah, absolutely. That's crazy.

So I talked to some friends on the Trump team, and they said, you have to go public with it. It's the only way to protect yourself is to go public, or they're going to try to shut you down. They know. And they're going to claim in November the Libertarian Party was compromised by Russia and helped Trump win. Yes. They're trying already to

shut us up. I love that the idea would be that the anti-government party was working with somebody else's government. Right. I don't think they totally know who you guys are. Well, that's the funny thing, by the way. I mean, the joke I joke I was making, but, like, how much I've just gotten called, like, you must be a Putin supporter, a Hamas supporter, or whatever. And you're like, you know, I don't have to support a foreign government to hate my own government.

Like, I could just be against, like, what the criminals in D.C. do. It doesn't mean I'm for that any more than I was for Saddam Hussein. It just bums me out because America is like so awesome. But we have this like it's like a brain slug attached to our head. Yes. We can't get off. You know what I mean? Well, look, I mean, there's there is something about that, though, right?

That it's like this is it's ultimately why a lot of libertarians embrace anarchism. It's that there's there's this problem that we kind of found through running the experiment of the United States of America, right? Where the whole story is that America is the smallest, most limited constitutionally constricted government of all time. And this produces the wealthiest society that's ever existed. And then because the society is so wealthy, the government can just leech right off that. And then now at this point, we have the biggest government

in the history of the world. I got like an elephant and I just feel like I'm following it with a shovel. That is the role of the LP in this election. There's a video. I don't know if you've ever seen, but you'll want to share with the entirety of the Libertarian Party

where this guy, was it Gray's? Gray plays games or whatever. Serge, do you know this one? There's a guy who plays video games and there's a game. I think it's called City State. It's been a while since we talked about this. And it's similar to civilization. You build a city state. You determine if you want high taxes or low taxes, high pleasing, low pleasing. And so he decides to do a play a playthrough where he's like, I am going to make just total chaos. No government, no taxes, nothing.

People can do whatever they want. I don't care. It's going to be a disaster. And as he's playing it, what do you think happened? I don't know. Did it work out great? Ski resorts popping up everywhere. Skyscrapers.

He was like, what's happening? There's no poor people. There's no crime. Oh, my God. And this video went massively viral he thought by not having government it would be crime and chaos and disaster and then he's like i'm building another ski resort and there's just building mountains and ski resorts everywhere everyone's living in just pure wealth well i mean look dude there's the amount and this is kind of

like what we were getting at before even if there are some services that the government provides, which are, and like, I agree with you, like, there are some services, particularly my local government provides that are like, they're okay. They're fine. They're never great, but they're okay. You know what I mean, the amount of wealth that is extracted from the productive sectors of society into literally blowing up a bridge to then rebuild the bridge in Damascus or in maybe not Damascus, but in wherever Fallujah or something like that. You know what I mean? Like just wasted resources. It's like we would be so infinitely more wealthy than we are as a society if it wasn't for that. You would have so many ski resorts. Yeah, a lot of ski resorts.

I do want to loop back to the FBI story because I think this should be like massively circulated among libertarians and Trump supporters, especially with the nomination of Chase Oliver, who is deeply unpopular with, I would assume, is the majority of the Libertarian Party who voted in Mises caucus. Correct. Will pull votes from Joe Biden. 100 percent he will. Very happy. will very happy this is big and i and i think we need to stress this and make sure everybody puts a sticky note because i think the play is going to be that the libertarian party was compromised to put a progressive in who would pull votes from biden as a spoiler candidate and russia got they're going they're going after the libertarian party already they're going after the green party too so we got to defend jill stein defend jill stein because she's going to pull Green Party, too. So we got to defend Jill Stein, defend Jill Stein, because

she's going to pull from Biden, too, because she's good on on Gaza. We got to defend all these guys. Wow. And if if if Biden ends up winning, they'll maintain that narrative and try and use this against third parties. Oh, absolutely. Increase barriers to entry. Absolutely. I would not be surprised if they make a move where they're like, we you know, this is not a two party. We're not you know, it's unintentionally two party. But because of Russian interference. Oh, yeah. These third parties need to be vetted by the FBI.

Absolutely. They're, they're. Democracy. And I mean, it really is interesting. Kennedy is pulling more from Biden, too. And I think that people were nervous at first that he would not be. But he is. There's a lot of Democrats who want pandemic amnesty and a return to sanity whatever that means in their minds so they think that that's

kennedy let's just go back to 2012 era old school democrats apparently old school is 12 years ago yeah but you know you know the argument there was uh there was a quick-witted argument from a leftist when someone said i'm just a democrat from 10 years ago. And they were like, that's like saying, like, everyone in the country was pro-segregation until 10 years later in the 1950s. So the argument from progressives is, yes, quite literally, you are a Democrat from 10 years ago. That's what being conservative is. You're holding on to the old values that we've moved on from. It's also what being a conservative is, is I'm a Democrat from 10 years ago. Yeah.

It's what it has been my entire life. I mean, even Donald Trump is essentially, he's a liberal from when I was a kid. I mean, that's like what he is. It's not like a New York liberal. I mean, that's a New York Democrat. That's what he was and what he always has been and kind of still is. A 90s Democrat to be like. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Not from 10 years ago, from 30 years ago. Fine. But like, you know, I do think a lot of times, especially it's because we all create our own little bubbles these days and we all are in a bubble of like talking about politics all the time and hyper focusing on it. And it's very easy to get removed from the fact that that is just not the reality for 95% of voters and 95% of voters just don't think about this as much as we do. And I'm not like blaming them for that. Like, I don't know, this happens to be our jobs. That's not most people's jobs. And so they focus on their life. They got families and stuff. You don't have so much capacity. If you want to explain

why Bobby is doing so well with Democratic voters, I do think a lot of it comes down to the fact that there's a whole lot of Democratic voters who go, I think the Democrats have gone a little bit crazy as of late, and they are attached to that name. People do not understand how much

value that name still holds for so many Democratic voters. I got an interesting little point to add to that wrap up this segment, though, is after every election. Viewership and revenue on political shows drops dramatically for obvious reasons. People are tired. They're burned out and they're just like, I'm over it. I don't hear about it anymore. Advertising. So you get politicians are dumping money into ad campaigns. So revenue starts going way, way up. And by the end of this year,

ad rates for political channels will be like two or three times higher than the average. Everyone else will get a little bump as well because it's multi-billion dollars. The question then becomes, as we as a company are budgeting out for how many people we can hire, what we can build, we gotta make sure that we have enough money left over. And so the concern is, well, don't forget,

come December, we are going to see, December will be, December on presidential election cycles is a massive burst of money. Every December, companies will dump their advertising budgets. They get a budget for the year or for the quarter, and they say, if we don't spend it now, we're going to lose it. You're better off just spending it. So they do. And then ad rates go through the roof. Come January, budgets are not set. And so ad rates collapse. Now, the question is, January 2025, will ad rates collapse or will they skyrocket? Because it won't be in the middle assuming what happens after this election is bedlam viewership on political channels will go through the roof the after 2021 we actually had a couple months where it was nuts viewership was insane because

of january 6 and all these things so and just contesting the election in general all of that yeah it was wild. So we're actually having the conversation of, internally as a business, do we prepare for a downturn? Interesting. Or do we actually prepare for an upswing? Crazy upswing.

We're going to treat it like a downturn's coming because we don't want to get into a position where we're budgeted. Probably better to prepare for that, but if I had to bet, I mean, there's so many possibilities still. There's so much to come, but I would not be surprised if it's another one like last i mean there's so many possibilities still there's so much to come but i would not be surprised if it's another one like last time where there's i you know look tenfold well i think you're almost at a point like in the same way i think this was true in 2020 um no matter which side loses they're not gonna see as legitimate. And that's a point that we've gotten

to that, that it's almost like the people, particularly people who hate Donald Trump, they want to go like, oh my God, he denied the results of an election. This is so crazy. This is totally different than what Hillary Clinton and Al Gore did or whatever, which it isn't really, but whatever. It's to them because he's a bad guy. Right, right. Everything he does is wrong and it's nothing like anything they would do. But the truth is that if you just looked at

the year of 2020 and you went, wait a minute, so they locked down the country. They like had the largest transfer of wealth from working Americans to the billionaire class

in human history. Then there's this mass censorship campaign where anybody who's against the insanity is losing their ability to speak. Then they over this mass censorship campaign where anybody who's against the insanity is losing their ability to speak. Then they overhaul the way you do voting for the first time ever that you don't even have to show up to the polls and it's not verified and all of this. You just look at those fundamentals. You go, yeah, obviously they were never going to trust this

thing. And I think that's the same now, but for both sides, you know, it's like, I think if Donald Trump wins, the Democrats are going to think it's illegitimate. If Biden or whoever it is wins, the Trump supporters are going to say it's illegitimate. And I just think this circus is going to continue on would be my guess. We're going to grab super chats. I know we pushed it a little bit, but the FBI thing I think was really important to get into. That's crazy. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, head over to TimCast.com and become a member. Click join us at TimCast.com. Click join us. That members only call-in show will be up in about 12 minutes where you get to call in, talk to us and our guests, but we will grab super chats. Let's grab those quickly. Waffle Sensei says, howdy people.

Let's see if Dave admits he is voting for Trump in 2024. Let's go. There's nothing to admit. I tell the truth. I tell the truth, dude. I'm telling it right now. If I decide to vote for someone, I'll tell you who I'm voting for. As of right now, I'm not really thinking about it. That was the first one, but I'm going to pick a mean one for you guys.

All right. Jason Dixon says, question for Dave and Angela. How long until you realize your party has become a joke and aren't what the people actually want? Your candidate is a joke and that's what your party is or how it appears. Yeah, we're really the only party that's a joke. No, no, no. Totally incorrect. Small minded inability to see the big picture. We are the most powerful voting bloc in the country right now. You can hate my candidate. He will decide the election outcome. If you are a Trump supporter, you should love my candidate. You should be thanking me. You should be sending us donations. We are winning the election for you. That is the

narrative. And it is probably the truth. Well, can I just say that? Like, look, I understand there's always an argument about whether you should be involved in a third party under a system that's rigged for two parties. You know, like, and I get that. And we, me and Angela have lots of great libertarian friends who are Republicans who do, like, incredible stuff there. There's Eric Brakey and Tho Bishop and some of these guys who are, I love these guys to death. There's a debate. I've had this debate with people before, and there's arguments on both sides. But can you really just like, could you just sit here and say,

given the state of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, given the state of the trajectory of this country, you can't admit that like there's an argument that maybe we should try something else here. Maybe we should try something that can shake this up, plan a flag somewhere, have a home for people who have a different view of what type of society we should be living in. And in this experiment that we've been really, I mean, Angela's been in the party longer than I have,

but since the kind of Mises caucus takeover of this thing and Angela being the chair, it's at least made the party undeniably more relevant and in the current cultural conversation than ever in its history. Well, that may be. But you are all still a joke. But to be fair, the Democrats and the Republicans are also jokes. I will own it.

I will 100% own being a joke. But the reality is we are not losers. We are not spoilers. We are not losers. We are not spoilers. We are fixers. If you want to see Ross Ulbricht freed and out of prison, you should support the Libertarian Party, even if you don't support our presidential candidate. If you want to see Julian Assange freed, definitely support us. I'm still working on that one. No other political party is going to deliver you that. No other political party is going to push the president to abolish the Department of Education and actually see it through. Well, and it's just all of the parties are jokes guys no no listen i i don't disagree

with that i would also say and on the look and this is something that like angela's like by the way you get all the credit for this because this was you i mean i like i had nothing to do with this and like the fact that you were able to get trump there and get these concessions out of him i'll say this amazing one of the major problems that you have in politics is that when elections come, and it's an election year, people get super tribal and they get super behind their guy. And you can kind of understand why. Like you can understand why it's like, hey, you know, I said, I tweeted the other day, I find this really interesting, but I tweeted, I said, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump. And it's not even close. Okay. Now to this, now this tweet blew up and kind of went

a little viral and there were all these Trump supporters who were so angry at me for saying it. And they go, why would you say that now? He's not running for president. So like, why are you taking shots at Trump when he's the American? And it's kind of, to me, the way my mentality works, it's like, why say it? Because I believe it. I think it's true. And what they're doing is they're going, yeah, but right now, don't say anything that hurts our guy.

And this is the- Why would that hurt Trump? Well, just because I'm saying he's not as America first as somebody else. But this is the Laura Loomer mentality about politics. You say nothing that's critical of Donald Trump. You only say the positive things for it. It doesn't matter if you're being honest.

It doesn't matter if you're stretching. It doesn't matter. We're in a political game and we're trying to win. But all I'm saying is- But you're not even critical of him. Well, look, but here's the, I'm just saying the problem with that mentality is that, look,

it's only really once every four years that these guys need anything from you. Right now, they need something from you. They need your vote. They need your money. They need your support. Once they get in there, Trump's, this is second term. He doesn't need anything from you anymore.

So right now should actually be the time when, say, Trump supporters who are 100% going to vote for Trump, right now should be the moment that they're like, but you better be America first. You better only put America first people in your cabinet. Like, hey, I'm a loyal Trump supporting Republican, but if I smell Mike Pompeo around this goddamn administration, I'm bailing on this thing. You see, this is the time when you should actually,

but yet none of the Trump supporters are doing that. They're just blindly following them. None of the Biden supporters are doing that. They're just blindly following. And Angela's kind of the only one who's at least found a way to get him to like make some promises that you're gonna do some things better in this next go around one of the things that I thought was really interesting when Haley it was before South Carolina saying I'm not gonna drop out because if I did it would be the longest general election in American history and

I actually thought that would have been good for this MAGA America first movement because they could have spent every day being like Trump you need to tell us exactly who you're gonna put in your cabinet yeah we need to know who's need to tell us exactly who you're going to put in your cabinet. We need to know who's going to be in your administration if we're going forward. Because we kind of know what the policies are going to be. There might be some issues, like again, with Department of Education or with the Ralph Elberts,

that you need a specific answer on, but they also need to know who is around him. Because that was one of the biggest criticisms of Trump last time, that he staffed poorly. Me and my swing state squad are going to be the ones. Me, Jeff Hurley, the chair of LP Nevada, the chair of Wisconsin, Stephen Ecker. We're the ones deciding it. I believe his name is Greg Daly in Pennsylvania.

Hannah Goodman, the crazy wild horse energy in Colorado. We're the ones willing to take risks here. Here's a good one. Nicholas Olenek says, Tim, I'm the delegate who took a selfie with you at lunch and then I bought some coffee at the LNC. I'm a proud Mises Caucus member and delegate for the LNC. The future is libertarian.

Love it. Hashtag Trump 2024. Oh! There you go. He said it, not me, but I love the energy. It was funny seeing so many libertarians say, well, Trump won the Libertarian Party after all, after Chase's nomination.

C'est la vie, c'est la vie. That's what I was saying. I was like, he's going to be the true winner because a lot of people, I respect that a lot of libertarians are going to be like, no, no, I'm for the party, but I'm going to vote for Trump, just don't tell anybody well they could be for both well it is that i just thought it was funny because being there at the convention as as you were tim and obviously you were angela um there uh there's just this dynamic where a lot of the

kind of freakier members of the lp who were like booing Trump like a bunch of college leftists when he spoke. They were hysterical booing Trump and then turned around and voted for Chase. And you were like, you realize how much better that is for him than a standing ovation. Like you could have just not booed and just clapped, just loved everything he had to say. And that wouldn't have helped him nearly as much and they gave me a lot of grief as I set that thing up and I said you just trust me they all thought corporate media

is going to tell everybody we love Donald Trump and I said I don't think that's what corporate media is going to say about us. No it was the opposite. Yeah well they didn't have any clue what was going to happen but really what happened was that the corporate media actually gave us some kind of cool headlines because they were just

trying to make Trump look bad. They were like, the libertarians are so critical of Donald Trump. But what happened was that the more right wing online media, they had actual video from the room. And then you were like, oh, that doesn't look so great. It was crazy because people were actually getting into fights.

It was a very emotional crowd. It was crazy because people were actually getting into fights. It was a very emotional crowd. It was pretty wild. I want to read this. This is an important super chat from Paul Tascalos. He says, Dave, you lost the debate to Cuomo. He saved lives and you did horse paste for clicks. Just kidding. You crushed him. Fredo got a taste of Dave Smith paste.

Cuomo had a bad case of David 19. Louis J. Gomez for president. Cuomo had a bad case of David 19. David 19. Well that is... Luis G. Gomez for president. Alright, I would support... that guy I would vote for. I was... yeah listen, the Cuomo debate went about how we all thought it was gonna go. It did.

It was so great. It did. It was so great. I think you weren't mean enough, but that's probably actually a good thing, because I would have... I think you weren't mean enough, but it's probably actually a good thing. I held back on some of the meaner stuff I thought about saying. I tried to walk the line. It was a challenge at points. When he lied about being in COVID quarantine and faking it, it's just like, dude, just own it.

We respect you more for it. I think it's fun to see what the corporate media types, what they think they can get away with. Well, there's moments. Look, there's a few moments where in this crazy world we're in, you kind of get to do these things. Look, I still think your moment when you were on Rogan with Dorsey and what's her name, his lawyer.

The dragon. Yeah. That was like one of these crazy internet moments, you know, where it's like, you got to kind of see, you know, like just how much their argument collapsed on itself, like as they started presenting it and you're like, dude, you're contradicting the thing you said one second ago. Like, what do you mean? Like, oh, we don't have a political view on, on transgenders. And you're like, but you could ban someone if they dead name someone. And they're like, well, yeah, of course you could. And you're like but you could ban someone if they dead name someone and they're like well yeah of course you could and you're like that's a political view on you

know it's all this and it was kind of a moment like that where you just get to see like some comedian podcaster go up against the guy who just a few years ago was the number one show on cnn while i was like one of these guys on the internet railing against all the covid restrictions and to just see how much it's like, yeah, they've got nothing. They just have nothing. The veil drops and it's like incompetence. Yes. Yes.

Like, like it's just, you can't believe how unimpressive they are. I love that. My friends don't think CNN, anything on CNN is news. That was, that was a, that was a grand slam. Yeah. It was a little bit of a dick for that one, but that was fun. I would have been way, I would have been way meaner. Like I've tweeted this several times. My opening

question would have been, who do you think your son learned from more? You faking being in COVID quarantine on national television or your brother who murdered 15,000 people? Brutal. Yeah, I would have been ice cold, but I didn't do it. I'm going to read one last super chat here.

Raviskate1 says, Tim Pool, the guy who said 400 electoral landslide in 2020. Now, the first thing I'm going to do is absolutely defend everything I said in 2020 because I was completely correct, except for like 2% of my predictions. Clarifying, that's a gross overstatement about what I actually did say. But looking at like Moody's analytics and polling data, Moody's analytics actually had a scenario where Trump would win in a landslide victory comparable to like Reagan or something. We don't know that was true. Second thing I'll say is Trump landslide victory. 49 state landslide was a meme, which the left was, I guess, unaware of, which was a generic term for Trump is just going to win really, really well.

Right. But more importantly, I was completely correct in my analysis. Trump got more votes than any sitting president a second time around. He gained more votes. He won, I believe, 17 of 18 Bellwether counties. He won, I think, Ohio and Florida, the Bellwether states. So he actually accomplished everything the models that I had addressed were set to accomplish, which in all circumstances pointed to a Trump victory, except for Democrats shadow campaign,

which I could not have predicted. So if you actually look at all the analytics and all the metrics where I said, wow, Trump's going to do well, he's going to do well, he's going to do well here. These are all indicative of a major victory. I was completely correct. seen their effort at various levels from corporate to the governorships and Democrat and red states that were controlled by Democrats to affect the outcome of the election, which ultimately did. So my mistake in my prediction was I didn't I couldn't I could look at the news, but I couldn't see what Democrats were doing untoward behind the scenes. Yeah, unfortunately, I kind of had a

similar thing. I mean, I was predicting Donald Trump would get reelected even with all the COVID stuff. I thought the riots and all of that was going to be enough to carry him through. It wasn't until I,

and people can go back and listen to my shows. When I realized the universal mail-in voting thing, I was like, oh, well now it's up in the air completely. And the truth is,

if you're predicting that election, right? Like what were the numbers exactly? The number, assuming everything was completely legitimate, but it was Trump got like 73 million. No, I think it was 74 point something. 74 million and Biden was like 81 or something like that. So it's like, if you look at it, I mean, if you take Biden out,

Trump got more votes than anybody in the history of the United States of America has. So it's like the numbers may have been a little bit inflated higher than usual, but like he did, it's just very hard to account for the mail-in voting. And obviously there was no fraud. Have you had Scott Pressler on? Oh yeah, several times.

Yeah, we'll see if he can pull something together. Never before has a president gained votes and lost. Right. Never before has a president won 90% of Bellwether counties and lost. Never before has a president won, I think it's a combination of three states and lost. Trump managed to lose

despite hitting every benchmark. Well, it was very anomalous. Yes. The crazy curve as they counted votes. Oh, yeah. We're going to wrap it up there. We're going to go to

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