Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1066 Democrats FREEZE $90M Of Biden Funds, It's DONE He Is OVER w/Kyle Becker
Episode Date: July 13, 2024Tim, Ian, & Hannah Claire are joined by Kyle Becker and Connor Tomlinson to discuss major Democrat donors pulling millions from the Biden campaign, Ted Cruz predicting Michelle Obama will be the nomin...ee in 2024 for Democrats, Elon Musk donating to Trump, and the Daily Show shocked after panel admits they're voting Trump 2024. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Hannah Claire @hannahclaireb (everywhere) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Guests: Kyle Becker @kylenabecker (X) Connor Tomlinson @Con_Tomlinson (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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                                         Major Democrat donors have frozen $90 million in pledges to Democrats, and they are demanding that
                                         
                                         Joe Biden step down if they want this money. I do not see how this man can recover from this.
                                         
                                         I mean, his press conferences following the debate have only made things worse.
                                         
                                         And now more and more of the donors are saying no way. So we'll talk about that.
                                         
                                         He's being flat out told by Democrats to resign more and more. We've got bigger news with Elon Musk donating to a PAC to elect Donald Trump. And
                                         
                                         Facebook has reinstated Donald Trump's accounts, removed the restrictions. And it's funny because
                                         
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                                         is Kyle Becker. Hey, it's great to be on the show, Tim. I'm looking forward to everything
                                         
                                         you got lined up for us tonight. It should be very interesting. Who are you? What do you do?
                                         
                                         Yeah, so I'm an independent journalist, a producer, writer. You know, I'm basically
                                         
                                         just a political analyst and a commentator.
                                         
                                         So right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. And because the man is here from overseas,
                                         
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                                         Hi, everyone.
                                         
                                         Hey, Tim.
                                         
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                                         Thanks, man.
                                         
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                                         Kyle N. A. Becker.
                                         
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                                         This weekend, I'm pumped.
                                         
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                                         That's a good idea.
                                         
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                                         Live on X.
                                         
                                         That's a great idea.
                                         
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                                         Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow.
                                         
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                                         Let's get started.
                                         
                                         Here we go.
                                         
                                         From SCNR.com, major democrat donors freeze 90 million dollars in pledges to largest
                                         
                                         biden super PAC until he agrees to exit the race the frozen donations reportedly include multiple
                                         
    
                                         eight-figure commitments according to a report from the new york times uh okay the frozen donations
                                         
                                         include eight-figure commitments the decision to withhold such enormous sums of money is one of the most concrete examples of the fallout from Mr.
                                         
                                         Biden's poor debate performance at the end of June.
                                         
                                         The Times report cited two unnamed sources who only agreed to speak to the paper under the condition of anonymity.
                                         
                                         They say the two people briefed on frozen pledges declined to say which individual donors were pulling back promised checks, which were estimated to total above or
                                         
                                         around $90 million. It was not clear how much of the pledged money was earmarked for future forward
                                         
                                         Super PACs versus its nonprofit arm, which has also been running advertising in key battleground
                                         
                                         states. The Super PAC has been shying away from making major strategic decisions until it gets
                                         
    
                                         clarity on who will be atop the ticket, according to a separate person
                                         
                                         close to the group. Now, I'll say this. I don't know this means that donors are saying no to Joe
                                         
                                         Biden. It sounds like what they're saying is a combination of no to Joe Biden, but also.
                                         
                                         What commercials are we running? We're not going to spend millions of dollars on ads for a guy who
                                         
                                         won't be the nominee in a week. So what can they do?
                                         
                                         I think this is one of the biggest dominoes to fall.
                                         
                                         And it's going to result in, I mean, it's the inevitable.
                                         
                                         Joe Biden cannot be the nominee.
                                         
    
                                         At this point, the money that's not going to Democrats for the presidential race will negatively impact all of the congressional races.
                                         
                                         And there is going to be a cacophony of people,
                                         
                                         Democratic Party members just just screaming Biden's got to go.
                                         
                                         I think you're right. I mean, one of the issues here is that they want to have success in other parts of the race. And so much of presidential election cycles are wrapped up who's on top of
                                         
                                         the ticket. So I've seen a lot of reporting that donors are sort of caught in between.
                                         
                                         They don't necessarily like Biden. They also don't want to spend money on someone that they don't like. On the other hand,
                                         
                                         some are pulling out, holding all of their donations everywhere. And some are saying,
                                         
                                         well, we'll still give down ticket, but we don't want to give to Biden. It's just becoming
                                         
    
                                         a more chaotic system every day. Yeah, I think that earlier Nancy Pelosi
                                         
                                         tipped her hand when she basically gave Biden a week to make a decision.
                                         
                                         And she was, you know...
                                         
                                         After he sent out his letter saying, I've made a decision, I'm staying in.
                                         
                                         Right, right. Exactly. And then Obama, of course, with George Clooney, you know,
                                         
                                         he runs the letter by him, you know, I love you, Joe, but you got to go. This is about your age.
                                         
                                         This is about me. So they're kind of like softly trying to nudge him out of the White House before
                                         
                                         the convention so they don't have to pull a coup and go to secret ballots and super delegate him.
                                         
    
                                         But in Michigan tonight, Joe Biden's out there saying, like, I'm not going anywhere.
                                         
                                         It's almost like Wolf of Wall Street.
                                         
                                         But the knives are out in the media.
                                         
                                         Obama's basically behind the scenes with a lot of these, you know, media outlets. So I think that's really, you know, the market imprimatur that, you know, Barack is kind
                                         
                                         of behind the scenes putting putting on this that, you know, Biden's people seem to be
                                         
                                         the last the last to know that they're done.
                                         
                                         They're done.
                                         
                                         But so so here's the question that I have, right, because all the speculation is in the
                                         
    
                                         press and there's been speculation, of course, about Hillary Clinton, Clinton, Whitmer, Newsom, Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris, even when you look to the prediction markets, I got a predicted pull up right here.
                                         
                                         Michelle Obama is only at around six cents a share, right?
                                         
                                         Joe Biden once again is the front runner.
                                         
                                         That's surprising. Kamala Harris jumped ahead with, you know, earlier, I think she had like 53 cents and
                                         
                                         Biden had like 33. It was a huge split. Biden's back on top. But if people really do think, one,
                                         
                                         that Barack Obama is orchestrating a coup behind the scenes and that Joe Biden will likely be
                                         
                                         forced out because of it, then why not bet on Michelle Obama? Why isn't Michelle Obama higher
                                         
                                         up than Kamala Harris? I heard that she said she didn't want to do it.
                                         
    
                                         She doesn't want to do it. She's never been politically ambitious.
                                         
                                         But what does that mean?
                                         
                                         Like Hillary Clinton had already secured her place in the Senate by the time her husband was leaving office.
                                         
                                         She was ready to take her time as a first lady and launch her next phase of her political career.
                                         
                                         Michelle Obama has been on the yachts and has these adult daughters now.
                                         
                                         She's happy to be wealthy and influential and to do the talk show circuit when she has a book out.
                                         
                                         But she's never really shown any interest in holding some level of political office, at least post her days as the first lady.
                                         
                                         But I don't think a lack of displaying a desire for this is indicative of she doesn't want to do it.
                                         
    
                                         Well, something that I would find interesting is if Obama was truly behind the George Clooney op-ed,
                                         
                                         why was her name not floated in the op-ed?
                                         
                                         Because I believe it was only Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom that was mentioned. And you're right in that if she was politically ambitious,
                                         
                                         the time to do it would have been off the back of becoming,
                                         
                                         which in the UK was over
                                         
                                         every single billboard on all of the bus stops and all the train stations.
                                         
                                         So there was a mass marketing campaign around that she still looked upon favorably by the
                                         
                                         sort of normie establishment.
                                         
    
                                         Doesn't seem she wants to do it, even though she probably would be a compelling candidate
                                         
                                         for some of those people that think Joe Biden has his brain leaking out of his ears, but
                                         
                                         don't think they could vote for Trump based on vibes. I think in the background of this is the logistics of trying
                                         
                                         to get anybody except Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket, because there are a number of swing
                                         
                                         states, swing states and Pennsylvania being one where you cannot, after you get the delegates in
                                         
                                         that state, you cannot switch. Like after you, after the primary, you cannot switch them out.
                                         
                                         They don't transfer a lot of states they do, but there are like three or four major swing states where they just won't.
                                         
                                         They're being bugged.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, I know.
                                         
                                         Well, look, I hit a nerve.
                                         
                                         I hit a nerve there.
                                         
                                         Yeah, Mike Pence.
                                         
                                         There you go.
                                         
                                         So, you know, I think the logistics of it is really, really difficult to try to just airdrop Michelle Obama,
                                         
                                         you know, in a parachute at the convention and just be like, ta-da, you know, here's your new candidate. I think, you know, also there's the other factor of Kamala Harris getting passed over.
                                         
                                         I think they made a big deal out of making her, you know, essentially a DEI thing. I don't think
                                         
    
                                         it's unfair to say because of the way Biden postured it at the time.
                                         
                                         And that's going to cause a major schism.
                                         
                                         So we could see something at the convention like 1968 redux if anybody but Kamala Harris is the nominee.
                                         
                                         But I think, you know, what you said about Michelle Obama is valid.
                                         
                                         She is definitely like the betting markets I see reflect the odds of her just suddenly being thrust.
                                         
                                         Yeah, but what I'm saying is with all of these people suggesting it, her odds should be higher.
                                         
                                         There's not everyone is convinced it's going to be Biden or Kamala Harris, which I think is stupid.
                                         
                                         I think makes no sense. Certainly could be the case.
                                         
    
                                         But Gavin Newsom should be higher than Kamala. The idea that there is no way around Kamala Harris does not make sense.
                                         
                                         She's not going to do better than Joe Biden. So if the real issue is that Joe can't win, Kamala can't win either.
                                         
                                         So they would need Newsom or or Michelle Obama. when we hear that it is Obama himself behind the scenes orchestrating this, I think that is even a
                                         
                                         tiny morsel of evidence that Michelle Obama is going to be the pick. I just don't agree. I think
                                         
                                         that if she had wanted a political career, we would have known by now. And I suspect even if
                                         
                                         Obama is the one behind it, he's like, Michelle, please run. And she's like, absolutely not.
                                         
                                         Please leave me alone. I told you before. I've told you every year. I don't want to do this.
                                         
                                         I think you're right.
                                         
    
                                         But we don't know.
                                         
                                         There's a certain level.
                                         
                                         I mean, we don't know it, but we also can make an assumption based on the fact that
                                         
                                         she didn't seek political office after the White House.
                                         
                                         I think you're right.
                                         
                                         That makes no sense.
                                         
                                         I think it makes a lot of sense given other people's history.
                                         
                                         She faded to the background pretty happily.
                                         
    
                                         The lack of evidence is not evidence of what she just wanted to do.
                                         
                                         Well, I think she would also be giving more political appearances and would be out there a little bit more the free and you would
                                         
                                         hear you would hear see reports closer to you you would see reports in the new york times uh where
                                         
                                         uh quietly behind the scenes michelle obama and you know their fundraising like the fundraising
                                         
                                         chatter i think you would see that around michelle obama because they would get all excited about it
                                         
                                         and we wouldn't get these stories like, you know, super PACs freezing $90 million, there would be on the back channel
                                         
                                         with them going, hey, just stay patient. You know, we have a plan. You know, we've got Michelle in
                                         
                                         our back pocket, she's going to be excited, but now's not the time to do it. You know, we're gonna
                                         
    
                                         wait until the last minute in August, and then we'll make our push. So just hang tight. You know,
                                         
                                         I mean, Democrats are pretty good about communicating back channel and staying, you know, in lockstep.
                                         
                                         So I think that's I think part of the appeal of Michelle Obama is that Kamala Harris is not good enough. Right.
                                         
                                         They had when they were running Joe Biden, they said, here is Joe Biden, but he will sort of be the last white man candidate and then we'll have a diverse lady president.
                                         
                                         And they tapped Kamala Harris,
                                         
                                         I assume because she was just in the race already and had the face recognition. But
                                         
                                         it's not that they think that Kamala will succeed, that they think she should be on the tickets.
                                         
                                         It's just that she's there. And I think if they could swap in Michelle Obama, maybe they would
                                         
    
                                         do it again for the same sort of visual reasons. But again, I think the big obstacle there is
                                         
                                         Michelle doesn't want to do it. If you look further down ticket, I mean, they're not tapping AOC. No one's throwing out anyone else. They
                                         
                                         really don't know what to do here. Well, I think the other thing is Kamala Harris is like the queen
                                         
                                         of oppo research, and she feels like she's owed this. And so, you know, what you can see is like
                                         
                                         if somebody is going to pull a coup on her, she's going to torpedo whoever is going to be the
                                         
                                         nominee, you know, back channel. She has her whoever is going to be the nominee, you know,
                                         
                                         back channel. She has her ways of just dumping dirt. And, you know, so she's probably doing the
                                         
                                         power politics thing of like holding some dirt and, you know, holding some things against the
                                         
    
                                         other candidates and very plugged into the DNC, making sure that her people are making it known
                                         
                                         that they're, you know, they're going to pull some shenanigans. Then, well, she's going to do
                                         
                                         the same thing right back to him.
                                         
                                         Because this is her chance, her moment.
                                         
                                         She is super ambitious.
                                         
                                         Well, and if she thinks there's any chance Biden could win, it behooves her to be like,
                                         
                                         yes, you win.
                                         
                                         And then inevitably, one year into your term, when you can't complete it,
                                         
    
                                         you bow out and I get to be the president.
                                         
                                         I mean, I'm sure she's thinking pretty strategically here.
                                         
                                         We got this from Newsweek.
                                         
                                         Ted Cruz makes new Michelle Obama prediction.
                                         
                                         They say Republican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas suggested that former first lady Michelle Obama will replace Joe Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket in this year's presidential election. During an interview on Fox Business with host Stuart Varney on Thursday, Cruz asserted that Democrats were freaking out about Biden being their candidate following his widely panned performance at last month's debate. Biden has been under increasing pressure, blah, blah, blah. We know this. And again, I'm looking at this from it's just Ted Cruz predicting this. But Barack
                                         
                                         is the one allegedly orchestrating this behind the scenes, which, of course, means Michelle has
                                         
                                         some involvement. Newsweek also reported two days ago, Michelle Obama fans beg her to replace Joe
                                         
                                         Biden. Save our country. Obama, whose husband is former President Barack Obama, oh, I didn't realize that, has never run for public, run for public, blank, typo, office or expressed an interest in
                                         
    
                                         becoming president. But there has been frequent speculation. However, back in March, Michelle
                                         
                                         Obama's office says the former lady will not be running for president in 2024. Some of this does
                                         
                                         smell like manufactured consent to me. I mean, when the people that they're citing in that Newsweek
                                         
                                         article is all these Facebook comments say they want Michelle Obama to be president. I mean,
                                         
                                         yes, congratulations on writing your letter to Santa, but you're right in that these are the
                                         
                                         mouthpieces of the regime. So this also could be planting the seed ahead of a Biden being deposed.
                                         
                                         But you mean this is like, uh, they're, they're prepping the public to accept Michelle Obama.
                                         
                                         It could be possible. Yes. I like wears the pants in that relationship.
                                         
    
                                         At least the vibe I get, I always have the way Barack talks about her. She is a kingmaker. She never wanted to be on stage. Not really. She's there to push her man to the top. And now she
                                         
                                         wants to go sail off into the sunset. And Barack probably was like, Michelle, you want to? Nope.
                                         
                                         She's like, nope. And he's like, OK, so so maybe I don't know. The only the only public statements we have is that she will not be running in 2024.
                                         
                                         Everyone says that every candidate says it every time.
                                         
                                         And there's legal reasons why they do, because if they announce that they are, then it restricts them.
                                         
                                         I suppose she could have said, I'm considering it.
                                         
                                         I think, however, the only reason we got this story back in March was that they were trying to
                                         
                                         ice out RFK Jr. And so they were effectively saying, no, no, we're all behind Joe Biden.
                                         
    
                                         He's the best. Now that they've effectively shut down the primaries and it's going to go to a
                                         
                                         secret ballot where there's no way an insurgent candidate can win. Now they can go, well,
                                         
                                         everyone's been yelling for me to do it, and for this country, I will.
                                         
                                         Well, I think it's a little perfect, and I think that's the fear that a lot of Trump's supporters have, is that Michelle Obama will just infuse that energy into the Democratic base the way
                                         
                                         Barack did. I would be more readily sold on this scenario if I would have read a lot of Lady
                                         
                                         Macbeth sort of behind the scenes stories
                                         
                                         about Michelle Obama in the White House, that she's actually the mastermind behind it all.
                                         
                                         I mean, you maybe say that about Casey DeSantis, but I don't know about, you know, Michelle Obama.
                                         
    
                                         So it's a hard sell for me, but it is kind of a perfect marriage.
                                         
                                         And I think there are a lot of people throwing out their names right now to be like, oh, well,
                                         
                                         of course I support Joe. But, you know, if all the Facebook comments say they want
                                         
                                         me to run, I'll do it. I mean, Gavin Newsom's wife had a big profile in the L.A. Times almost
                                         
                                         two years ago at this point. A lot of people are sort of starting to test the waters to see
                                         
                                         what the next move in their political future is. But again, that's why I feel like Michelle is
                                         
                                         happy with her mojitos and her yachts. right? She doesn't need it the way that some people who are still trying to climb the power ladder do.
                                         
                                         She also got snubbed pretty hard by the sugar industry.
                                         
    
                                         When they got into power, the Obamas, she did this Let's Move campaign.
                                         
                                         And it was about cutting sugar out of your diet.
                                         
                                         And then the sugar industry got involved.
                                         
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         We're going to make it an exercise campaign.
                                         
                                         Forget about the sugar.
                                         
                                         Let's just dance and stuff.
                                         
                                         Don't talk about your diet.
                                         
    
                                         And Katie Couric did a documentary on it called Fed Up,
                                         
                                         which I highly recommend. It's fascinating. And you see the behind the scenes power of the sugar
                                         
                                         industry. And after that, Michelle kind of backed out of politics. I think she realized what she was
                                         
                                         up against and was like, it's just we're in for eight years and then we're done. I'm not doing
                                         
                                         that again. I'm not putting myself through that. I'm not putting my family through that. I can see
                                         
                                         that because she seems like a relatively wholesome woman, like from the outside and watching again. I'm not putting myself through that. I'm not putting my family through that. I can see that because she seems like a relatively wholesome
                                         
                                         woman, like from
                                         
                                         the outside and watching them. I mean,
                                         
    
                                         other than marrying a man who
                                         
                                         kills American citizens abroad.
                                         
                                         But like, I know that was pretty horrible. We were married before he
                                         
                                         did that. Getting that job is like,
                                         
                                         there's such a thing as detaining red flags, ladies and gentlemen.
                                         
                                         Like getting thrust into the, become the commander
                                         
                                         in chief of the military industrial complex
                                         
                                         is like, who are you not? You get to decide who am I not going to kill?
                                         
    
                                         It's like basic choice.
                                         
                                         Kind of until they slide Kennedy's picture across the table at you.
                                         
                                         And they're like,
                                         
                                         choose wisely.
                                         
                                         A choice.
                                         
                                         As he's coming out and saying,
                                         
                                         I would have had a son like Trayvon and supporting BLM.
                                         
                                         Like this,
                                         
    
                                         the Obama family of moral write-offs.
                                         
                                         I think it's,
                                         
                                         it's not whether or not she has the unimpeachable character to run and take
                                         
                                         this opportunity.
                                         
                                         It's whether or not it's the right time for her and whether or not she has the unimpeachable character to run and take this opportunity.
                                         
                                         It's whether or not it's the right time for her and whether or not she's just comfortable enough dictating books and going kayaking.
                                         
                                         I just I love the idea of going, well, Barack Obama did murder a 16-year-old American, but Michelle's the good one.
                                         
                                         So we'll vote.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, come on.
                                         
                                         I was thinking about this in the drive over. She sits down with him at night and she's like, how did it feel to kill that 16-year-old kid?
                                         
                                         Felt pretty good. She's like, how did it feel to kill that 16-year-old kid? Felt pretty good.
                                         
                                         She's like, okay.
                                         
                                         Like, you get that job.
                                         
                                         I was thinking about you, actually, because we were talking about you.
                                         
                                         You're like, what would I do if I was the president?
                                         
                                         And like, I'm not going to do it.
                                         
    
                                         And they're like, oh, no.
                                         
                                         Well, if you don't do it, a lot of people are going to die and a lot of things are going
                                         
                                         to break down.
                                         
                                         So you're really going to have to go with this.
                                         
                                         It's been happening every day before you got here.
                                         
                                         Now that you're here, push the button, sign the paperwork, because we got to make it happen.
                                         
                                         You're like, no, I'm not going to do it.
                                         
                                         They're like, okay, let me tell you this again.
                                         
    
                                         A lot of people are going to die and a lot of people are going to lose money if you don't.
                                         
                                         Now we need you to do this now.
                                         
                                         And you say, I'm not.
                                         
                                         Then they slide the picture of Kennedy across the table.
                                         
                                         And then if you say, I'm not, they'll say, we'll see you later.
                                         
                                         And you'll probably never see those guys.
                                         
                                         Sure will.
                                         
                                         And that's why I said my scenario is one day, and I say this jokingly, I run for president and then I build a 15-inch triple-layered bulletproof plexiglass box in the center of D.C.
                                         
    
                                         where I will live with minimal privacy, but just enough privacy because people don't want to see that stuff.
                                         
                                         And then I will just start signing executive actions and firing everybody and dismantling administrative bureaucracy.
                                         
                                         And then once I'm done after two weeks, I resign.
                                         
                                         And then so count your VP debates,
                                         
                                         because I don't care.
                                         
                                         I honestly think you'd have to leave the country.
                                         
                                         To run this country in that state,
                                         
                                         to be like that anti-establishment,
                                         
    
                                         you would have to flee.
                                         
                                         Because they got you where they want you if you're in D.C.
                                         
                                         15-foot concrete slab straight down.
                                         
                                         Someone's got to bring you food.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         They know where you live.
                                         
                                         They know who's making your food. That's right. It know where you live. They know who's making your food. Like, that's right. It's a lot of other it's I don't know,
                                         
                                         man. I'm just saying it's it's tough not to sign the paperwork to drop the drones in that position
                                         
    
                                         because that's like what the machine does. So I don't put too much hate on the guys when they do
                                         
                                         those things. You look at what happens to Donald Trump when he says, I'm the boss, we're gonna do
                                         
                                         it my way. They say, well, then you're a Russian spy. Maybe you'll go to prison. And Trump was Trump's basically like, I am going to
                                         
                                         destroy you. Have you seen? I hope, you know, I hope he gets rid of the bureaucracy and does these
                                         
                                         things. I'm not super confident. Have you seen all the hysterics that are on because he had Orban
                                         
                                         come see him in Mar-a-Lago and they're like, but Orban just met with Putin. And so therefore Trump
                                         
                                         is a horrible Russian supporter or like whatever it is. Biden just met with Putin. And so therefore Trump is a horrible Russian supporter or like whatever it is.
                                         
                                         Biden just met with Putin.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, Zelensky.
                                         
                                         Oh, right.
                                         
                                         It's so confusing when we have Vice President Trump.
                                         
                                         It's also like, how else are you meant to draw a conclusion to the war?
                                         
                                         Oh, of course they don't want to because their military contractors are getting a very nice kickback.
                                         
                                         And that was your guys' fault.
                                         
                                         That was Boris Johnson's fault.
                                         
                                         On the directive of the State Department, because again, we are a vassal state of the global American empire.
                                         
    
                                         I don't want to agree, but I do like the sound of that,
                                         
                                         so I'll accept it.
                                         
                                         You think it's an American Empire?
                                         
                                         I think a lot about this.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I know.
                                         
                                         Five Eyes.
                                         
                                         We watch when this is coming.
                                         
                                         Because Five Eyes is New Zealand, Australia,
                                         
    
                                         the Kingdom of Canada, the Kingdom of Australia,
                                         
                                         or the Kingdom of England and the United States.
                                         
                                         They're not kingdoms.
                                         
                                         They are kingdoms.
                                         
                                         Look up Kingdom of Australia.
                                         
                                         I'm aware, I'm aware.
                                         
                                         So in those countries,
                                         
                                         the monarch is only a figurehead
                                         
    
                                         and he has no executive power.
                                         
                                         He can authorize the executive general.
                                         
                                         What is it?
                                         
                                         He can't intervene
                                         
                                         and fire the prime minister.
                                         
                                         It's only in Britain.
                                         
                                         The secretary general.
                                         
                                         What's that role?
                                         
    
                                         The guy, the general,
                                         
                                         something general
                                         
                                         that can fire the prime minister
                                         
                                         at any moment. They actually did that in the 70s general something general that can fire the Prime Minister at any moment?
                                         
                                         They actually did that in the 70s in Australia. They fired the Prime Minister
                                         
                                         I don't think that's possible anymore because of constitutional reforms
                                         
                                         I mean if you look on the Canadian government's Constitution, they only ever say that King Charles is a figurehead and yes
                                         
                                         He's on the money, but he can't actually intervene in our processes of government
                                         
    
                                         That's only possible in the UK when it's His Majesty's government
                                         
                                         You have to go and actively form the government at the behest of the king. Governor General of Canada.
                                         
                                         The king appoints the governor general.
                                         
                                         And dismiss the prime minister.
                                         
                                         And then the governor general can dismiss the prime minister.
                                         
                                         The governor general of Canada represents the monarch,
                                         
                                         but the process must follow Canadian constitutional conventions.
                                         
                                         At least that's what-
                                         
    
                                         So the king of Canada is Charles.
                                         
                                         He's the emperor of England, of Australia, of Canada.
                                         
                                         And I wonder who's really running.
                                         
                                         I don't think he's running a show.
                                         
                                         I just think it's the spy clubs like MI6 and CIA.
                                         
                                         You're not wrong about the Five Eyes,
                                         
                                         but I don't think the Five Eyes have interests
                                         
                                         directly connected with the monarch.
                                         
    
                                         Or I don't think at least he's sitting there
                                         
                                         like dictating it all, all the time.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I don't either.
                                         
                                         It's like we're at this stage in Rome
                                         
                                         where it's basically the Praetorian guards running the show.
                                         
                                         Yes, yeah, that's far more accurate, I'd say.
                                         
                                         But it does feel like an empire.
                                         
                                         And I wonder who that Praetorian guard is at the moment.
                                         
    
                                         I think it's, I do think it's the global American empire because we take our lead a lot
                                         
                                         of it from the State Department and from what the Pentagon says. And mainly because the Fusidides
                                         
                                         trap of post-war America and Britain, the Marshall Plan meant that the British empire was contingent
                                         
                                         on American loans to rebuild itself at home. And so it just sliced off sections of the empire to
                                         
                                         give to America. This
                                         
                                         is why the Suez crisis happened. This is where the state of Israel was set up and the Britain
                                         
                                         abandoned their mandate over Palestine. The Americans just nicked a lot of the power.
                                         
                                         Can I just point out, the United States has military bases in the UK.
                                         
    
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Because they're a vassal state.
                                         
                                         In Germany and Japan and Australia, they've got, what is it? Pine Gap in the middle of Australia.
                                         
                                         It's the second, it's the largest military base outside the U.S.?
                                         
                                         We Americans have occupied Germany and Japan since World War II.
                                         
                                         We've never left.
                                         
                                         But it's like our military, and who runs that?
                                         
                                         This military industrial complex, who's funding it?
                                         
    
                                         Is it the Americans?
                                         
                                         Is it us?
                                         
                                         Is it international?
                                         
                                         Well, us, define us.
                                         
                                         Is it the American people?
                                         
                                         I mean, not really.
                                         
                                         But it is, the United States is using the mechanism for management of the system.
                                         
                                         Anyway, okay, so I agree with that. I agree with that.
                                         
    
                                         I don't want to derail or move away.
                                         
                                         The reason I brought it up was because I'm wondering who's calling these shots.
                                         
                                         You guys, you feel like it's more of an American authority than an imperial British authority? So I think even if you go back to like, you know, JFK era,
                                         
                                         like we brought up earlier, the CIA complex and the NSA and the IC community has expanded out to
                                         
                                         the point where they have a surveillance apparatus. They dig up dirt on everybody, every politician, and whoever goes
                                         
                                         to D.C., they are either blackmailed or they become millionaires or they're bribed. So I think
                                         
                                         this regime apparatus, they call it the deep state, I guess that's as good a name as any,
                                         
                                         essentially pulls the levers through this kind of coercion through honey traps like Epstein.
                                         
    
                                         You know, I think I think that all of this together, this nexus is what's really behind the scenes.
                                         
                                         So that's why I agree with like what Vivek Ramaswamy said the other day that, you know, Kamala Harris is not particularly bright, you know, and Joe Biden's, you know, incognitive decline.
                                         
                                         But it doesn't really matter, you know, because and I would agree with him because it's the system.
                                         
                                         You know, we're all hung up about these different politicians and, but they're all pretty much interchangeable. You know, they're, they're just basically the people who they have dirt on
                                         
                                         that they can get to execute their will. So like Joe Biden and like Hunter Biden, there's a lot of
                                         
                                         evidence that there were CIA ops around him going to Burisma, getting on the board and making money that way.
                                         
                                         You know, that's how they get the blackmail on these politicians.
                                         
                                         They offer them these sweet little deals.
                                         
    
                                         You know, so it's a combination of bribery, blackmail.
                                         
                                         So that's why you see, you know, politicians when they go there, a lot of time they have either have the blackmail they bribe them and if in donald trump's case if you don't do that then they basically call you a
                                         
                                         russian spy like tim said or uh they criminal you know they politically prosecute you when they
                                         
                                         really go after you if they really think you're a threat to go after them um so you know i think
                                         
                                         that's basically what's going on if you want me to name names well i still i have a family so i don't know there was that business because i want to be like 1941 is
                                         
                                         when five eyes got started basically his response to the nazi japanese incursion they're like well
                                         
                                         we need a global spy network or we're gonna get destroyed but then before that there was the
                                         
                                         business plot to overthrow the u.s government where they wanted smedley butler to march on
                                         
    
                                         washington with like 300 000 men and he refused World War I generals like I'm not overthrowing the
                                         
                                         government. I'm not going to sell fascist dictatorship. So they've been trying to
                                         
                                         control it since the Federal Reserve Act. I don't. Right. Well, yeah, you could go back to that,
                                         
                                         you know, the creature Jekyll Island and all of that business. But I think like that's what
                                         
                                         happened to Nixon. You know, like Nixon found out about the JFK assassination, sat down with
                                         
                                         the Pentagon, says, I know what happened, you know, wanted to give the information to the American people.
                                         
                                         You know, and that through that thing, they orchestrated a coup against Nixon with a two bit break in.
                                         
                                         That seems almost laughable in comparison to the scandals that we've seen since, you know, the Obama administration.
                                         
    
                                         Here's the interesting thing, right? You go back back in time and Nixon may be thinking, well, what can I do to get this information out? And it's limited, because we know that there's intelligence assets deeply embedded in media. Along comes Donald Trump several decades later, and he's on Twitter. Twitter has a backdoor for intelligence agencies. Was it weekly communication?
                                         
                                         The people, the high-ups at Twitter were communicating with Twitter files, right?
                                         
                                         So still, though, Donald Trump could tweet whatever he wanted and force the media to report whatever he wanted.
                                         
                                         So he splits the news.
                                         
                                         You now have the corporate press telling everyone he's a spy, he's a Russian asset, but it wasn't working because independent media
                                         
                                         was cutting through the noise.
                                         
                                         They tried to manipulate the game.
                                         
                                         They tried to control Facebook and Twitter.
                                         
    
                                         They did a great job of it,
                                         
                                         but it wasn't enough to suppress
                                         
                                         because the internet is too powerful.
                                         
                                         They'll try and say whatever they want.
                                         
                                         The thing now that Trump has that past presidents didn't have
                                         
                                         is a direct channel for mass media,
                                         
                                         especially now with true social.
                                         
                                         So this is why I think we're seeing the
                                         
    
                                         bifurcation, the fracturing and the instability in politics. One of the reasons. The Mockingbird,
                                         
                                         Operation Mockingbird, when the CIA was like, we're going to control the media, that was in
                                         
                                         the 60s or 70s or something. And they'd succeeded until post 9-11, until the internet kicked into
                                         
                                         full swing. And now some rando can go out there with, I got the documents and they can like show
                                         
                                         you the documents. And boy, does that change the narrative.
                                         
                                         And our internet is just a creature of DARPA
                                         
                                         and a lot of these other defense industries.
                                         
                                         They developed it.
                                         
    
                                         It's their baby.
                                         
                                         So they saw it coming.
                                         
                                         So they must have known the potential
                                         
                                         for someone like Donald Trump or Alex Jones or me
                                         
                                         or someone to display the data to the humans
                                         
                                         through the will of whatever else was trying to stop it.
                                         
                                         So they must have seen it coming, unless they're that short-sighted and they didn't realize.
                                         
                                         Well, it's very interesting, because I was a director of viral media.
                                         
    
                                         I was like the forefront of this very powerful sort of digital operation when I was a media
                                         
                                         group of America.
                                         
                                         And we were right there before Trump got elected the first time in 2016.
                                         
                                         And we were a powerhouse.
                                         
                                         Our readership was overtaking these established big time, you know, big time, like forget NBC News.
                                         
                                         They were like small fries.
                                         
                                         Like we blew past all of them.
                                         
                                         And it wasn't long after Trump was elected.
                                         
    
                                         That's when they started the crackdown is kind of the O.S.
                                         
                                         Blank moment, you know, where they just like, oh, no, we can't let this happen. So I find it very fascinating, the news that Tim alluded to at the top of the show, where Meta says, well, we're going to stop, you know, I'm paraphrasing, committing election interference and we're going to take the throttle.
                                         
                                         You know, we're going to, you know, restore this Meta, his Instagram and Facebook accounts.
                                         
                                         And, you know, we'll see how suppressed he is and see how that plays out in the next couple of weeks. But, you know, still, and of course, Elon Musk making that, for me, astounding news
                                         
                                         where the European Commission released that, you know, Twitter at this point is not in compliance
                                         
                                         with the DSA, you know, and it has a number of violations. And that Elon said, well, they went
                                         
                                         to every other very large social media platform, and they all agreed like we will suppress and censor uh you know i i'm
                                         
                                         assuming political dissidents or people who don't follow state narratives or uh you know the the
                                         
    
                                         narratives on ukraine or you know all of these other things you know uh and and elon said well
                                         
                                         we're the only one who didn't that stood up to them uh so i i you know it's interesting to see
                                         
                                         him also like throwing money behind Donald Trump's pack
                                         
                                         oh Elon is yeah how much money I didn't see the details let's roll we got the story from Bloomberg
                                         
                                         all right Elon Musk donates to Trump tapping vast fortune to swing the 2024 race and I'm
                                         
                                         gonna pause before we get into that because we don't know my understanding is we don't know the
                                         
                                         full number but we'll see if they've updated the source material. It may not be a substantial sum, but we'll see.
                                         
                                         And apparently Bloomberg is not going to let us see.
                                         
    
                                         Well, something interesting this week.
                                         
                                         We'll get a better source on that one.
                                         
                                         At NatCon, we were discussing something about this.
                                         
                                         People were scratching their heads as to why the IVF and abortion pillars have been softened in the Republican Party platform.
                                         
                                         And I suggested that it might be to court these new Silicon Valley
                                         
                                         tech bro pronatalist types like Peter Thiel, like Simone and Malcolm Collins, and like Elon Musk,
                                         
                                         who are very big on this stuff as something as a solution to the population crisis.
                                         
                                         So the Trump campaign, there's a new thing called Anglo-futurism, which is essentially like
                                         
    
                                         using technology to be progressively right wing. I have my misgivings with it.
                                         
                                         Elon Musk is one of these guys. And so I wonder if certain things were changed in the platform to attract his support. What we know is that Bloomberg said it was a sizable amount and that's
                                         
                                         it. And that Elon Musk didn't want to donate directly to a campaign. Well, why would he?
                                         
                                         He's going to give what? Twenty three hundred bucks or something. You want to make a real impact.
                                         
                                         You go super PAC. I can understand why Elon Musk wants to see Trump win now, especially considering
                                         
                                         Elon has been reading and watching the news to the point where he realizes the media has been
                                         
                                         lying to everybody. And it's really fascinating if you look at Elon's journey, being on Twitter,
                                         
                                         enjoying himself, looking at memes, laughing to the point where he bought the platform.
                                         
    
                                         And now he's outright like these people have been lying. They're evil. And I'll tell you this.
                                         
                                         I would make a a let's call it a sizable gentleman's bet, which is I'm not really
                                         
                                         saying money, but that Elon Musk knows things about what Twitter was doing behind the scenes
                                         
                                         that he can't publicly disclose that would probably make you crap your pants. And so
                                         
                                         he's behind the scenes. He's looking at national security information with Twitter. And they're
                                         
                                         saying, you cannot release that. That is, you know, what the deep state does is they issue what's
                                         
                                         called the national security letter. They did this to a, an email provider that I believe Snowden was
                                         
                                         using. And I always forget the name of this company. They went to them and said, here's a national security letter.
                                         
    
                                         You must give us information on these users and you can't tell anyone.
                                         
                                         So instead, he said, I'm shutting my company down.
                                         
                                         Screw you.
                                         
                                         I'm willing to bet Elon Musk dug a ton of that stuff up.
                                         
                                         And they said, or I'll put it this way.
                                         
                                         The reason why they only release certain emails at a time is because of national security restrictions they have on that information.
                                         
                                         That makes sense.
                                         
                                         What kind of stuff do you think when you're thinking national security risks, like what kind of data?
                                         
    
                                         They're lying.
                                         
                                         They're outright calling it national security risks.
                                         
                                         But it's like names and phone numbers and addresses.
                                         
                                         Not even necessarily.
                                         
                                         Not even necessarily.
                                         
                                         They might come to him and say, the fact that we run a program where we talk to companies is a national security endeavor you cannot expose.
                                         
                                         Yeah, they can define national security extremely broadly to their own benefit.
                                         
                                         And they actually don't have to justify it to you. I mean, this is what you see a lot of like government intervention.
                                         
    
                                         It's like subpoena or you're under investigation or you have to do this thing and we never really have to explain to you why.
                                         
                                         And actually, it's very difficult for you to resist or fight us.
                                         
                                         I mean, Elon Musk is sort of a different case because he is so wealthy. But for
                                         
                                         most people in most organizations, you can't battle the federal government indefinitely because they
                                         
                                         can just spend taxpayers money until they decide not to. I think it's smart for him to have an ace
                                         
                                         in the hole of some of the backdoor NSA stuff that they obviously pull with these social media
                                         
                                         companies. So, you know, he's got multiple reasons
                                         
                                         for not just dumping that in the Twitter files.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, you think him holding the info actually helps?
                                         
                                         Yeah, well, that's what a smart person would do.
                                         
                                         Well, it depends.
                                         
                                         You hold info.
                                         
                                         It depends on the info.
                                         
                                         The worst info.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it depends on the nature, of course.
                                         
                                         I mean, and that's always the big challenge.
                                         
    
                                         I think, you know,
                                         
                                         I'd like to see all of it be released immediately and let 4chan go at it and just rip through everything, decentralized network of investigation.
                                         
                                         But I don't know what's in it. There could be stuff in there that, I don't know, you don't know what you don't know, right? Well, Musk has been hammered with lawsuits and, of course, the Delaware judgment that it worked out for him in the end,
                                         
                                         but withholding the golden parachute or the bonus that he got from his shareholders.
                                         
                                         That was just the tip of the iceberg, I think.
                                         
                                         And he's being hammered left and right.
                                         
                                         He was complaining about it today, the SEC going after him. And, you know, so I think he has got a lot
                                         
                                         of interest to back Trump, to see a fair bureaucracy that isn't so weaponized and politicized to
                                         
    
                                         protect free speech and political dissidents. You know, I don't think he's a hardcore right-wing guy
                                         
                                         at all. I think like deep down, he just wants to see balance, a good business environment,
                                         
                                         wants to achieve his dreams in the tech sector.
                                         
                                         So I think this is just all a calculation.
                                         
                                         It doesn't make him a MAGA guy at all.
                                         
                                         It's just a smart political bet.
                                         
                                         The headwinds are going his way.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I would never have classified him as a capital R Republican or traditional conservative or anything like that.
                                         
    
                                         He may have some values that fall in line,
                                         
                                         but for the most part
                                         
                                         his his worldview is different than maybe the
                                         
                                         run-of-the-mill evangelical voter in the US. Well certainly because the run-of-the-mill
                                         
                                         evangelical voter sticks around and braces their own kids. One thing that is... You don't like his many families?
                                         
                                         He's up to at least 12 and I suspect more. His many families, some of them don't seem to like him because they don't want to communicate with him.
                                         
                                         Look, I enjoy Musk's antics on Twitter.
                                         
                                         One of the things I think might also be pushing him towards Trump is looking at the international legislative environment.
                                         
    
                                         ADF International, which is a Christian law firm, they're currently pursuing two cases involving Twitter.
                                         
                                         One on behalf of Billboard Chris, who's been on this show before.
                                         
                                         The Australian High Commission, I think it is, is going after him because he criticised a trans activist who's on their transgender healthcare board by accurately using the pronouns for the biological sex of the person.
                                         
                                         And this was on Twitter.
                                         
                                         And then also Michael Schellenberg are involved in the Twitter files.
                                         
                                         One of the journalists releasing it is being hounded by the Brazilian High Court.
                                         
                                         They're trying to criminally prosecute him to ensure that he never sets foot in the country again. And I think Musk is looking
                                         
                                         at these people that he either follows or in his inner circle and are thinking, if I can at least
                                         
    
                                         make one strong foothold for legal free speech in the Western world, and I make it the nominal
                                         
                                         leader of the free world, I might as well throw everything I can at it to help.
                                         
                                         Yeah. He'll also be like, he's pretty observant and aware and flexible. And he'll be like,
                                         
                                         well, I can't vote for Biden. And the Democrats told me that he's the candidate. So I'm going full
                                         
                                         against him. Like, sorry, it's not that I love Trump. I'm not, I'm not letting that guy become
                                         
                                         president, pulling a, pulling a fast one on them. That's what they did in 2020.
                                         
                                         The Biden administration has demonized him to a certain extent, you know,
                                         
                                         and a lot of progressive activists. I mean, as soon as he was like, Hey, I think free speech
                                         
    
                                         is a good thing. They were like, you're the worst person lot of progressive activists. I mean, as soon as he was like, hey, I think free speech is a good thing.
                                         
                                         They were like, you're the worst person we've ever met, even though, again, I'm not sure
                                         
                                         he is that divided with them on every policy out there.
                                         
                                         Not that I have any insider knowledge, but there is a level of he he did things that
                                         
                                         made the wrong people happy.
                                         
                                         And so therefore, you know, the other side of the aisle is pretty irritated with him.
                                         
                                         I don't know that he could he could win them back over.
                                         
                                         And does he even want to at this point?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, I think the stunt that they pulled in Delaware made him flip it on a little bit
                                         
                                         strong.
                                         
                                         Well, he was owed, the exact number, was it $58 billion?
                                         
                                         He was owed like tens of billions of dollars.
                                         
                                         Yeah, his shareholder agreement that they voted for.
                                         
                                         And the judge nullified it yeah whoa
                                         
                                         when yeah but then the shareholders again convened and green-lighted and i was one of them i voted to
                                         
                                         reinstate his pay package it's absolutely insane when uh i saw tesla was at like 300 a while ago
                                         
    
                                         elon musk buys twitter he's just getting political the price goes down i'm thinking like tesla shares
                                         
                                         are undervalued if people are really selling because they don't like what he's saying, that's an absurdity.
                                         
                                         So I bought and it went way up. And then when I saw that some dude had sued saying Elon doesn't
                                         
                                         deserve to get paid the billions for running what is like the name brand electric car company,
                                         
                                         especially when you have all these Democrats screaming we should have EVs and they hate the
                                         
                                         guy, which makes no sense. I was pissed. His pay
                                         
                                         gets slashed by a judge who has nothing to do with the company, even though they agreed. So this is
                                         
                                         the most infuriating thing about the whole ordeal. This one guy with a small amount of shares decided
                                         
    
                                         for the entirety of the company and all shareholders that the CEO shouldn't get paid.
                                         
                                         That's psychotic. And I'm thinking, you take away the incentive
                                         
                                         from the guy leading the charge and running the show,
                                         
                                         you're going to lose money.
                                         
                                         Well, they moved to Texas.
                                         
                                         They're changing it.
                                         
                                         He's getting his pay, and I'm glad to see it.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's what sparked the move.
                                         
    
                                         I see.
                                         
                                         Now I'm understanding.
                                         
                                         Yep.
                                         
                                         But, you know, to be fair,
                                         
                                         these companies, they register in Delaware.
                                         
                                         They incorporate in Delaware because... Zero tax. And it's also connected to the biden's the the judges circuit they're connected to the biden's
                                         
                                         you know uh they have influence uh through different channels they also have this um
                                         
                                         they have this trust thing they do i'm not exactly sure how it works but if the trust makes money it
                                         
    
                                         doesn't get taxed so, rich people will put their assets
                                         
                                         in some kind of new trust that Delaware has.
                                         
                                         They pay a fee where it's like five grand a year
                                         
                                         to maintain the trust.
                                         
                                         And then when the trust makes investments
                                         
                                         and those investments accrue profit,
                                         
                                         there's no one to tax.
                                         
                                         It's held by an entity with no individual.
                                         
    
                                         So, right.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         Very, very, like everybody's trying to find a way to play the
                                         
                                         game you know what i mean and then new york has has spoiled its own you know backyard as well
                                         
                                         for you know you don't want to do business there with the with the way the manhattan trial went
                                         
                                         down i i was incorporated i was incorporated in new york and uh it's been a nightmare no it's a
                                         
                                         terrible i pulled out and just dissolved it and re-incorporated in texas and you know it's a terrible, terrible place to incorporate it. I pulled out and just dissolved it and reincorporated it in Texas. And, you know, I was probably the smartest person I did.
                                         
                                         Why Texas?
                                         
    
                                         You know, Texas is fairly protective of free speech in the media.
                                         
                                         It's kind of a hassle for, you know, torts and certain types of litigation, you know, to, you know, not like New York.
                                         
                                         It's, New York is, you know, it's New York.
                                         
                                         You mentioned that Delaware stuff was connected to the Bidens.
                                         
                                         And I know he was a senator.
                                         
                                         Yeah, Hunter said something that he knew judges before.
                                         
                                         You know, like if you go through and search through like Marco Polo and read the emails and stuff.
                                         
                                         And Hunter's like, well, I know the judges in Delaware.
                                         
    
                                         You know, it's like, okay.
                                         
                                         And that's where they're from?
                                         
                                         Is that Biden's home state?
                                         
                                         Delaware senator?
                                         
                                         Is that what it was for a long time?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                         He's probably super tight.
                                         
    
                                         They're super connected.
                                         
                                         And I remember Beau, the late son of Joe Biden, was the attorney general from Delaware, if I'm not remembering. was for a long time yeah oh yeah he's probably super they're super connected they're both the
                                         
                                         late son of Joe Biden was uh the attorney general from Delaware if I'm not remembering and at one
                                         
                                         point he was uh gonna run for governor like then he got really sick and they didn't talk about it
                                         
                                         and they wouldn't confirm if he was still running because he was also someone who had a health
                                         
                                         crisis uh because he had brain cancer uh that they kind of kept quiet for a long time they didn't
                                         
                                         reveal how serious it was until you know extremely, extremely late in the game. That one I can almost understand, you know,
                                         
                                         he had very young children and things like that. But it is a it is definitely a place that the
                                         
    
                                         Bidens have deep root and connections. Right. There's there's nepotism there. And, you know,
                                         
                                         I had that dream. I was telling you about it before the show where I hung out with Obama.
                                         
                                         I was like at the White House and I was like, hey, man, and let's and he was like, yeah,
                                         
                                         let's get some lunch. So we were sitting. I was like, so what happened
                                         
                                         to you? You were so idealistic. You got in and then you like became deep state. What happens?
                                         
                                         Like, oh, it's Joe and Jim's Jim. And I was like, I didn't know who I knew. Joe. I was like, oh,
                                         
                                         it's Joe Biden. And the other word, James, he said, I was like, I don't know who it was. And
                                         
                                         it sounded in memory like he said, James. Oh, that's Joe's brother. That's Joe's brother,
                                         
    
                                         James Biden. So I was like, did he get in? And Joe just introduced him to all the dudes, all the guys that know what's what.
                                         
                                         I think it's the other way around.
                                         
                                         I think he got the horse before the cart.
                                         
                                         I just love the scenario where Ian had a dream.
                                         
                                         So it must be real.
                                         
                                         That's why I never mentioned it before.
                                         
                                         There may be something.
                                         
                                         So I'd like to point out.
                                         
    
                                         And then Michelle walked in and I thought it was Kamala.
                                         
                                         It was a crazy dream.
                                         
                                         So I'd like to point this out. Back in walked in and I thought it was Kamala. It was crazy dream. So so I'd like to point this out back in Illinois when Barack Obama won the Senate seat.
                                         
                                         One of the first things he's asked, it's his first foray into national politics.
                                         
                                         He has just won. He's not served a day in office. And they said, will you run for president?
                                         
                                         I was like, huh? Why? Why would you ask him that? He's just some guy who just got elected.
                                         
                                         And then he did. He didn't even finish his first term.
                                         
                                         As far as I understand, right?
                                         
    
                                         What did he get elected in 2004 to the Senate?
                                         
                                         And then decided to run for president.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         And then was just absent.
                                         
                                         Like two years later.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         And then Blagojevich was accused of trying to sell his Senate seat.
                                         
                                         But he says he was, that's what everyone did.
                                         
    
                                         And I can't remember exactly how.
                                         
                                         And who helped Blagojevich out, though? Trump. Yeah. and I saw Blagojevich at Mar-a-Lago.
                                         
                                         Pardon him. He was down there hanging out with Trump. No, you know, Obama was made. He was a
                                         
                                         Chicago politics operator, knew, you know, Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn and ran with the, you
                                         
                                         know, Democratic Socialists of America.
                                         
                                         But then he did like a good Alinsky.
                                         
                                         I didn't put on a suit, put on a tie.
                                         
                                         He looked good.
                                         
    
                                         He could speak well.
                                         
                                         He was a nice contrast with George Bush, which I think almost everyone was sick of by the time of that administration was over.
                                         
                                         And so I think that it goes back to what your point, like who's really running the show? Well, whoever made Barack Obama, Barack Obama is who's running the show.
                                         
                                         And it's not Barack Obama because he didn't become president by himself.
                                         
                                         He was anointed the Messiah and made and thrust in front of the media.
                                         
                                         So that's when we talk about the media connections with Obama, with George Clooney and all of this stuff, this nexus, this network that they have,
                                         
                                         this machine is how we can sort of glean Obama's backdoor influence.
                                         
                                         So it used to be the Clintons until Obama appeared and they were like, oh, he's better
                                         
    
                                         than, Bill's too old now, so he's a better one. And Hillary was like, yo, but it's the Clintons.
                                         
                                         Bill was a great retail politician, to be fair.
                                         
                                         So I think Bill, I believe, is much more self-made than Barack was.
                                         
                                         Bill is a very skilled political operator, and so is Hillary, obviously.
                                         
                                         She's the Lady Macbeth behind the scenes with Bill, a ruthless operator.
                                         
                                         But Bill, I believe, was a lot more self-made,
                                         
                                         you know, from his Arkansas governor days. And he worked his way up through the, you know,
                                         
                                         the Democratic machine with Hillary's help. I think Barack kind of came out of nowhere.
                                         
    
                                         It just doesn't happen. You know, this kind of like little, you know, this Hollywood story
                                         
                                         around Barack Obama, that doesn't just happen in Democrat machine politics.
                                         
                                         And that was superdelegates who make the final say, like they've got all the change of rules. It's the dream right now for Democrats to get rid of the primary process and
                                         
                                         have the political elites just choose who they want to be the president. Yeah, it's very annoying
                                         
                                         to them that they have to listen to their own constituents. It's it's frustrating almost.
                                         
                                         Well, they lie to their constituents routinely. And so when we see like, you know, interviews with black voters now and they said that they're voting for Trump, they're bewildered.
                                         
                                         Understand this.
                                         
                                         If Democrats are engaging in less than, let's just call them untoward voter practices and the Republicans can truly not win and the Democrat primary is chosen in secret by political elites.
                                         
    
                                         We are North Korea.
                                         
                                         Let's jump to the story from the Post Millennial Daily Show shocked when focus group of black voters revealed they're voting for Trump.
                                         
                                         Biden, you don't drop the ball, brother, said one female voter.
                                         
                                         But I believe it was like split, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah, it was half and half.
                                         
                                         There were six on the panel and three said that they were voting for Trump.
                                         
                                         And it was actually very amusing how they said that they were voting for Trump.
                                         
                                         You know, it's like they didn't even want to admit it. It was actually two women.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, it was it was three and two women who predicted the black community would shift their support to Trump.
                                         
                                         This election cycle on claims the Democratic Party and President Biden had left them behind.
                                         
                                         Johnson chuckled and said, I didn't see that coming.
                                         
                                         You know, they use the issues of African-American community as a soapbox to stand on and make
                                         
                                         promises just to get us to come out and vote. And then once we vote and everyone's in place,
                                         
                                         it's like, well, what happened? Said one of the female Trump supporters defending her vote.
                                         
                                         It's true. Didn't Trump say, what have you got to lose? He was like, vote for me. What do you
                                         
                                         got to lose? I think at a certain point, Democrats think they can make promises,
                                         
    
                                         disappear for four years, come back four years later and say promises again.
                                         
                                         And eventually people are going to be like, you're lying to me.
                                         
                                         And the way Biden dangled Kamala Harris's skin color in front of people is like a bait to get them to vote was like disgusting to any human with eyeballs in a brain is like, you know, you can't like racist me by trying to like use my.
                                         
                                         It's so gross and disgusting to do that.
                                         
                                         And I think these people are waking, obviously aware of that.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         I don't know in how many numbers.
                                         
                                         I think you're going to get a more sizable swing than you did last election.
                                         
    
                                         There are many jokes about Trump having a mugshot and therefore being able to be identifiable to black men who have a narrative about being persecuted by the prison industrial complex. Perhaps that is a factor. The fact is, very few people generally are plugged into shows
                                         
                                         like this. I'm glad more people are, but lots of people are low-information clientele-class voters
                                         
                                         who are dependent on handouts, and the Democrats are promising to buy them off, then they will
                                         
                                         still vote for the Democrats. The thing that might stop that is, as you've seen in Chicago and in New York and all these so-called sanctuary
                                         
                                         states, is a mass influx of illegals who are now competing with them in their local area for
                                         
                                         housing and food stamps. You're getting a lot of people just from the black community,
                                         
                                         the local black community, going to the local representatives and going,
                                         
                                         hang on, this money's for us. This is our money. So if the clientele classes stop fighting,
                                         
    
                                         there might be a swing.
                                         
                                         I just don't think it's going to be an incisable enough number to give Trump a majority of the black vote. I don't think he'll get a majority, but I do think the recognition that it's all lip service from the Democrats is extremely important and actually helps down ticket.
                                         
                                         I think that this is going to potentially pave the way for Republicans in districts that they are usually written off as
                                         
                                         like, oh, this is a Democratic stronghold. I'll never win this to actually make a more convincing
                                         
                                         argument, because I think part of the issue is Democrats do say, oh, no, we're with you and
                                         
                                         you've gone through a lot. And, you know, they say whatever they need to say. And then they do
                                         
                                         forget the voters, especially voters of color who have voted for them. But Republicans in that sense
                                         
                                         have also done a disservice because they say, oh, well, you're a minority voter, so you're going to vote for Democrats.
                                         
    
                                         They sort of also forget that they could potentially be more creative in their messaging.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think one of the ladies on the panel speaks to what you're saying.
                                         
                                         I think she had a very powerful, you know, line about, you know, every four years they pull out a soapbox and they stand on the soapbox and then they speak to the, you know, the black community about their problems.
                                         
                                         And then when the election's over, you know, they put the soapbox away, forget about their promises. You know, I think that's that kind of inroads that sort of
                                         
                                         like planting the seeds of being open minded about alternatives to the Democratic Party is
                                         
                                         very powerful. And, you know, I think, you know, Trump could get close to 20 percent and that may
                                         
                                         be all he needs in some of these swing states.
                                         
                                         But I agree, and it's not that big.
                                         
    
                                         You always get this narrative where it's like, oh, he's going to get it this time.
                                         
                                         He's going to get big.
                                         
                                         Nah, maybe he improves a point or two or something like that.
                                         
                                         But the analysis is that if he does break 20%, Democrats can't possibly win.
                                         
                                         That's what they claim.
                                         
                                         I don't know if it's true, but Wall Street Journal reported that.
                                         
                                         In certain swing states, yeah, that's true they claim. I don't know if it's true, but Wall Street Journal reported that. You know, in certain swing states, yeah, that's true. Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah. You know, Milwaukee. I mean, he may be within, you know, the margin of shenanigans in Milwaukee.
                                         
    
                                         That's a good way to put it.
                                         
                                         In Detroit. Yeah, well, I'm being careful, you know.
                                         
                                         You know, Detroit, Michigan, and I'm sorry, Detroit and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, I think that, you know, you've seen some of the election law changes and
                                         
                                         they definitely laying the groundwork to, you know, pull a 2020 again. So.
                                         
                                         It's more than that, too. And Republicans have no idea what's going on.
                                         
                                         This is what the right always does. They always react. They only respond. The Democrats will do
                                         
                                         things and the Republicans are just desperately trying to chase after. I've been trying to demand
                                         
                                         the open source of the voting machines, the code.
                                         
    
                                         Because if you don't know what those things are flipping votes, it's just unusable.
                                         
                                         Have you tried shaking your fist into the air?
                                         
                                         I've tried! I've tried many times!
                                         
                                         Because I don't know.
                                         
                                         Open the source code!
                                         
                                         What about a strongly worded letter?
                                         
                                         I've been advocating that for a long time.
                                         
                                         I really like that.
                                         
    
                                         But I say that because there's not a single act of Congress that will do anything about it.
                                         
                                         Perhaps at the state levels, you can vote in your local elections.
                                         
                                         So your state reps and your state senators can actually bring about these changes.
                                         
                                         I recommend getting in touch with them.
                                         
                                         But it's, you need a mass movement.
                                         
                                         That populist energy, that was, you know what I'll tell you the deep state loves?
                                         
                                         They love that the populist uprising is for the presidency because they can control everything else so long as the people ignore their local elections.
                                         
                                         And occupy Wall Street.
                                         
    
                                         That was like they didn't like that one.
                                         
                                         So I think a good example is, you know, we had the Georgia Elections Board this week had a number of election security experts go to them and persuaded them to look into 2020 again.
                                         
                                         But more importantly, they voted for a hand count at the pre-seek level that had to match
                                         
                                         the total ballots cast in the voting machines.
                                         
                                         This is important because the voting machines, you know, the type that they use in Georgia,
                                         
                                         they draw from ballot images and they had, you know, since essentially 17,000
                                         
                                         and some odd missing ballot images.
                                         
                                         So in other words, you cannot verify those votes.
                                         
    
                                         And so Biden won by what we're told, like 12,000 votes or whatever.
                                         
                                         You cannot prove it.
                                         
                                         You cannot verify it.
                                         
                                         I mean, yes, it's been certified, but it's not there where you have the evidence of what
                                         
                                         actually took place.
                                         
                                         So I think that's a good start. It doesn't mean going to what you said,
                                         
                                         that you can't adjust the votes within that
                                         
                                         because the tabulators can be hacked.
                                         
    
                                         They proved this in front of the Georgia State Supreme Court.
                                         
                                         A number of experts have gone and proven that.
                                         
                                         And it's not even that difficult. I mean, you can watch videos
                                         
                                         of people doing it. They take the machine, they put it on the floor and like, this is how you
                                         
                                         hack this. They go into the back and they just assemble it and it demystifies the problems with
                                         
                                         it. So I do think that it's a good step in the right direction, but we need a lot more of it.
                                         
                                         And Republican Party, we're told, like with the new RNC regime that they put in place, that they were going to be all about election integrity.
                                         
                                         Well, I see very little of it in reality. That's going to be serious enough to stop the ballot chicanery.
                                         
    
                                         Do you think Republicans are intimidated to talk about election integrity
                                         
                                         because the response from the left is always like, oh, so you're going to question the results of the
                                         
                                         election? Lawfare. It's it's it's lawfare. You know, you know, we see smart smart Maddox lawsuit
                                         
                                         is still ongoing against Fox News. Fox News was, you know, you know, capitulated and, you know,
                                         
                                         you know, cut it with Dominion. And I think that spooked a lot of people. You know, they you know, capitulated and, you know, cut it with Dominion. And I think that spooked a lot of people,
                                         
                                         you know, they, you know, they dragged people in front of show trials, you know, like with this,
                                         
                                         you know, as part of that racketeering case, there were like three of the defendants were brought in
                                         
                                         because they, you know, did an unauthorized supposedly, I say supposedly because, you know,
                                         
    
                                         there's withholding evidence potentially in that case. And, you know, say supposedly because, you know, there's withholding evidence
                                         
                                         potentially in that case. And, you know, there's no, you know, the case wasn't tossed or anything.
                                         
                                         But essentially, they had an unauthorized search of the equipment. And, you know, and so,
                                         
                                         you know, you had Jenna Ellis in tears. You know, you had all of this, you know, all of this stuff
                                         
                                         going on. And that's what's happening. They are doing Soviet-style political show trials
                                         
                                         and lawfare to shut people up.
                                         
                                         And that tells me where there's smoke, there's fire.
                                         
                                         Connor, do you feel the same type of pressure
                                         
    
                                         to have some sort of integrity process in UK elections?
                                         
                                         Or do you feel like this is uniquely American?
                                         
                                         We don't have mass mail-in ballots
                                         
                                         because when we did, there was a massive amount of fraud
                                         
                                         in the UK.
                                         
                                         I'm not, of course, suggesting that anything
                                         
                                         would happen in the US that would be terrible no we've we've essentially
                                         
                                         prevented mass mail-in ballots you have to specifically request one by a certain window
                                         
    
                                         and even then there are small proportion of the votes I don't think we have voting machines I
                                         
                                         think we have hand counting and I think so you don't have to deal with this code no I don't I
                                         
                                         don't think that's the the same the same issue as well um we also as far as I know we don't think that's the same issue as well. We also, as far as I know, we don't have primary processes either.
                                         
                                         So we don't even have the problem of superdelegates like secretly signing things away as they're trying to circumvent that.
                                         
                                         Even though we did have problems selecting a leader with the Conservative Party.
                                         
                                         That's a whole other issue.
                                         
                                         There's not really a conversation about election integrity in the UK.
                                         
                                         It's more so are people actually doing the things that they are given an electoral mandate to do and that is the answer that is
                                         
    
                                         given a justifiable no, but how to explain explain how the Prime Minister is
                                         
                                         Elected how do they come to be in power?
                                         
                                         So the party and the members are meant to appoint a leader
                                         
                                         So I'm familiar with the Conservative Party if they don't coup the leader out what happens is there is a leadership contest
                                         
                                         Maybe about five candidates they do debates they do local hustings events where they'll get
                                         
                                         all the members in the room and they'll give speeches. But just to clarify, the people do
                                         
                                         not vote for a prime minister. Not directly. No, there's no federal election for a prime minister.
                                         
                                         You vote for a party and the prime minister has a constituency as well. So it's almost like he's
                                         
    
                                         running in a Senate seat. And so there is a bit of a difference, but how it would work now is that the Democratic Party would just vote amongst themselves,
                                         
                                         much like you vote for a party and then they choose who the prime minister is going to be.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's very similar to what happened with the electorate voted for Boris Johnson.
                                         
                                         He got removed.
                                         
                                         Then the members voted for Liz Truss.
                                         
                                         She got removed.
                                         
                                         So they just installed Rishi Sunak.
                                         
                                         So look to the UK as a precursor,
                                         
    
                                         I suppose. You said the party and then the members. What is the difference of the party
                                         
                                         and the members? So the party is comprised of the MPs, so the elected representatives,
                                         
                                         and there's like a backroom committee for the Conservative Party called the 1922 Committee
                                         
                                         that's made up of executive MPs, and they're elected by other MPs, and they have the power to
                                         
                                         call votes of no confidence in the Prime Minister, for example. And then the members are the ones that are registered, they're paying. So like,
                                         
                                         if you registered to vote as a Democrat or Republican, you get to vote in the final two
                                         
                                         leadership election, who will then be elected as either the leader of the party or eventually the
                                         
                                         prime minister if the party wins power. Well, as shocking as the Labour Party's victory was in the
                                         
    
                                         recent elections, I look at the French election as a virgin of the type of rigging you get in countries where there isied National Rally, Marine Le Pen,
                                         
                                         you know, that's where you see the globalists in the corporatists, the blob, as, you know,
                                         
                                         Mike Benz calls them. That's a Michael Gove phrase, actually, the blob. Oh, okay. Thank you for pointing that out. But he, you know, you see the globalists behind the scenes,
                                         
                                         the power brokers where you have this, they call it the center
                                         
                                         rightist from a French perspective, you know, and the hard left, except for maybe, you know,
                                         
                                         like the communists in sort of the very left wing fringe sort of make a deal with the devil and just
                                         
                                         to block National Relief doesn't make a lot of sense. But, you know, France is going to be in
                                         
                                         turmoil. And, well, I think Macron is going to is somewhat wounded at least uh for for
                                         
    
                                         the the near term of like the next year so i i think it's interesting like the european politics
                                         
                                         you do have some election integrity but you do see your sort of backroom deals and you know
                                         
                                         uh conniving uh it just carried out in a different way well the the uk and the french election is
                                         
                                         very different because the french system is a proportional representation system which inclines various small marginal parties to make coalitions to block the most popular party.
                                         
                                         Also in the UK, the Labour election wasn't surprising.
                                         
                                         It was actually cheered on by right-wingers.
                                         
                                         And the reason for that is the Conservative Party, having betrayed us, is standing in the way of an actual right-wing party.
                                         
                                         And so they just thought, well, we'll rip the band-aid off, get rid of the Conservatives and then get rid of Labour in five years.
                                         
    
                                         But I think you're right in that Macron's gamble
                                         
                                         will not have paid off
                                         
                                         because he's blocked Jean-Baptiste Baudelaire
                                         
                                         from being prime minister right now.
                                         
                                         But in 2027, when he's running for president,
                                         
                                         I think Le Pen sweeps it
                                         
                                         because he hasn't given National Rally
                                         
                                         essentially a mandate to govern
                                         
    
                                         and be incapable of solving the problems
                                         
                                         which France is facing.
                                         
                                         And so all the onus is on him and all of the left-wing parties. So they could run in opposition, build up momentum
                                         
                                         for the entire establishment. That's actually a good place for them to be in some ways.
                                         
                                         It's not good for the French, but if they gave Le Pen's party, what's it called? National
                                         
                                         Rally. If they gave them the opportunity to, how did you phrase it? To actually fix things
                                         
                                         in the country?
                                         
                                         To not be able to fix things.
                                         
    
                                         So Macron's gamble was essentially the 28-year-old Jordan Badala, who's joined the party since he was 16 and has rocketed to the top.
                                         
                                         He's now number two in Le Pen's party.
                                         
                                         Would have become prime minister if National Rally would have won this round of parliamentary elections.
                                         
                                         But Macron would have stayed president.
                                         
                                         And so Macron's thinking, I'm deeply unpopular.
                                         
                                         In 2027, I think he can run again, but it would be very unprecedented to get a third term. He's thinking, I could have this massive insurgent right-wing party get into government, and then I can just sit there and blame them, if they're in the parliament, for not dealing with economic problems, the pension crisis, the immigration crisis, all this sort of stuff, and then say, vote to put me and my party back in power, give me the mandate to govern, to give me stability.
                                         
                                         The problem now is that National Rally didn't sweep it,
                                         
                                         and in desperation he made a pact with the communists,
                                         
    
                                         and now all of the left-wing parties are the governing body,
                                         
                                         and so it looks like all of the left-wing parties are going to be at fault,
                                         
                                         and so Marine Le Pen could win as president in 2027.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         I think there is a lot of short-term thinking like that. Some of the reporting that I heard around National Rally's rise Wow. That's right. of how the long-term game could play out. I mean, for all that we talk about, there are powers that work and there are strings that are being pulled.
                                         
                                         I actually think a lot of progressive causes
                                         
                                         are deeply emotional
                                         
    
                                         and therefore it clouds the decision-making.
                                         
                                         Well, those are full of stupid people as well.
                                         
                                         Yes, lack of intelligence and high emotion.
                                         
                                         Sometimes they go hand in hand.
                                         
                                         The liberal economic orders lost it,
                                         
                                         whereas the Chinese are 100 years,
                                         
                                         they're planning hundreds of years in advance.
                                         
                                         Is that real or is that just like a fallacy?
                                         
    
                                         Like, is it actually true? I was in your plan. Have we poisoned our minds with phthalates and
                                         
                                         endocrine disruptors to the point where even the people that are running the show have no way to
                                         
                                         see past five years from now? Yeah, we're running on dopamine. That's right. And they're not like
                                         
                                         the Chinese eat enough rice and fish that they're like, yo, we're still here. We're still with it.
                                         
                                         It's the grandchildren of the liberal economic order and wealth lasts three
                                         
                                         generations oh man it's that's it i want to say that it's inevitable to fall it is inevitable
                                         
                                         to change they've been talking about the new world order since the 90s george bush senior
                                         
                                         mentioned this world order is done we're transitioning to some new world order i don't
                                         
    
                                         know what it is technocracy being run behind the scenes by God knows what
                                         
                                         in artificial intelligence at this point.
                                         
                                         I don't know what they're going to do.
                                         
                                         Well, the UK government is currently
                                         
                                         in the process of outsourcing gov.uk,
                                         
                                         which is a central body
                                         
                                         that administers things like passports
                                         
                                         or student loans or visas
                                         
    
                                         or all those sorts of things to AI processors.
                                         
                                         So they're already incorporating AI
                                         
                                         into the operations of the UK government.
                                         
                                         Yeah, and I think Peter Thiel's moving and shaking with Palantir
                                         
                                         and the AI force that it is suggests heavy involvement with these.
                                         
                                         I mean, like Mark Zuckerberg being directly involved in an election.
                                         
                                         Well, let's pull it up. We got this from the Post Millennial.
                                         
                                         Meta removes restrictions on Trump's Facebook
                                         
    
                                         and Instagram accounts,
                                         
                                         quote,
                                         
                                         in assessing our responsibility
                                         
                                         to allow political expression
                                         
                                         to believe the American people
                                         
                                         should be able to hear
                                         
                                         from the nominees for president
                                         
                                         on the same basis.
                                         
    
                                         Funny.
                                         
                                         This is just after about a day ago,
                                         
                                         literally a day ago,
                                         
                                         Trump threatens to send
                                         
                                         Meta's Mark Zuckerbucks to prison
                                         
                                         if reelected president.
                                         
                                         Surprise, surprise.
                                         
                                         I wonder if the reason Mark Zuckerberg built that underground bunker in Hawaii was because
                                         
    
                                         Trump's pretty mad at him and Trump's going to win, huh?
                                         
                                         Yeah, Zuckerberg's in control of an explosive product, metaphorically, of course, but with
                                         
                                         a lot of potential to change a lot of minds in a moment.
                                         
                                         So I can see why he has a bunker.
                                         
                                         Doesn't want to be responsible.
                                         
                                         They also know they're losing ad revenue and engagement every
                                         
                                         time that Trump is on Truth Social. And the only place it's getting reposted are basically 2X via,
                                         
                                         you know, side accounts. They realize that during election year, they're actually losing
                                         
    
                                         money by not having him on. There's no way to lure Trump back onto any of these platforms.
                                         
                                         Well, when I was working, I was mainly working with Facebook before Trump's first victory.
                                         
                                         And it was a powerhouse.
                                         
                                         I'm telling you, it was the Wild West.
                                         
                                         And there wasn't a single publisher on the entire internet that was as powerful as we
                                         
                                         were and some other conservative, you know, Daily Wire.
                                         
                                         And I think some other, you know, even The Blaze was a thing then.
                                         
                                         And we were killing them.
                                         
    
                                         Like we were killing them when it comes to owning the narrative, like on social media. And Facebook
                                         
                                         was kind of where the game was at at that point. Now, where's the game at? You know, it's X and,
                                         
                                         with younger, maybe TikTok. And I think Facebook has lost a lot of relevance. And so I think this is what to what you're saying. And like they probably miss the engagement. They miss the action. They miss, you know, getting our data without our permission. politician and on tiktok in the uk bodala in france has been a runaway success apparently
                                         
                                         he used to run an anonymous twitter account posting spicy things he used to stream modern
                                         
                                         warfare 2 the social media ground game is being played by right-wing politicians and dissident
                                         
                                         media figures a hell of a lot better and this could be zuckerberg trying to avoid jail time i
                                         
                                         doubt that or this could could be Zuckerberg reflecting,
                                         
                                         hey, I played nice with the intelligence services for years, suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop,
                                         
    
                                         or helping out with COVID misinformation efforts with the Atlantic. And now Elon's got a ton of fans. He's pretty profitable and he's challenging me to a fight. Everyone loves him. Why don't I
                                         
                                         just pick the winning side? Yeah. At what point do you just go where the dollars and eyes are?
                                         
                                         That really behooves him.
                                         
                                         To your point, Trump goes to one UFC fight, gets on TikTok, and within 24 hours has several
                                         
                                         million people following him.
                                         
                                         I mean, especially this year, but generally Trump is a pretty influential person.
                                         
                                         It is actually a bad business decision to continue to put him off.
                                         
                                         And I think the idea that this was like a moral decision and he had done something wrong is obviously we all know a lie. We know it was
                                         
    
                                         politically biased and they're not going to stick to this fake ethics they seem to be claiming. So
                                         
                                         they're going to go with the bottom line, which is that they need Trump. They need Trump and they
                                         
                                         need the engagement that he brings. I'd love for Zuck to do this just out of the goodwill. It does
                                         
                                         suck that Trump came at him and was like, I'm going to throw this guy in jail if he doesn't.
                                         
                                         But like, did you see Zuckerberg? He didn't sayberg like that okay but he kind of did you see zuckerberg surfing with the
                                         
                                         drink uh on the fourth of july that was trying to be semi-picture so weird he's hilarious but
                                         
                                         he got roasted for that other picture where he's like and i'm very pale but he looks like a ghoul
                                         
                                         when he's on the surfboard i mean he had you and you and me both we had never seen sun neither had
                                         
    
                                         mark zuckerberg people really mocked him for. It didn't come across as cool at all.
                                         
                                         His new facial hair is getting cool.
                                         
                                         I think he did heavy dose of psychedelics.
                                         
                                         I can't tell, but he's like a new man.
                                         
                                         Like he's like all open source now,
                                         
                                         freeing Donald Trump on his platform.
                                         
                                         Like this is a good sign.
                                         
                                         But does that make you not trust him?
                                         
    
                                         I don't trust anyone in control of these things.
                                         
                                         No humans.
                                         
                                         I don't trust them.
                                         
                                         We should not be in charge of who gets to say what
                                         
                                         or what gets seen or what doesn't.
                                         
                                         It's not righteous.
                                         
                                         I mean, I guess I understand censorship and you want ethical censorship.
                                         
                                         Otherwise, you're going to have child porn on every network.
                                         
    
                                         So I get that, but I don't trust the people.
                                         
                                         I just understand the necessary evil of having humans run it right now until we get a machine that can do it better if we can.
                                         
                                         Or trust machines.
                                         
                                         What got me, Connor, you were saying is that on these TikTok, you got like Nigel
                                         
                                         Farage and Jean Bardello, is that how you say his name?
                                         
                                         Jordan Bardello.
                                         
                                         Bardello?
                                         
                                         Jordan Bardello?
                                         
    
                                         Bardello?
                                         
                                         Something like that.
                                         
                                         And TikTok's a Chinese company.
                                         
                                         So they're pushing these right wing characters to try and disrupt the liberal economic order
                                         
                                         and create a sense of like maybe disparate nationalism.
                                         
                                         I don't know how much it is that the
                                         
                                         algorithm themselves are pushing them or they're just cutting through the noise because they've
                                         
                                         got a lot of savvy actors. So I like to compare two groups of Gen Z who know how to use social
                                         
    
                                         media, right? The ones that just follow algorithmic trends presented in front of them are like the
                                         
                                         children of the algorithm. They've had digital babysitters. They are plugged into what my friend
                                         
                                         Mary Harrington calls the Omnicores.
                                         
                                         They derive all of their political opinions from their social media feeds, even if it doesn't make sense. This is why Greta Thunberg is marching for Palestine. None of these things are coherent,
                                         
                                         but they are collaborated in front of them by an outside force. And then you have
                                         
                                         sort of reactionary types that grew up on the internet, know how to use the technology
                                         
                                         ergonomically, and are using it for
                                         
                                         their own ends, and are cutting against social trends. But because they're just, frankly,
                                         
    
                                         smarter and funnier and more innovative than the rest of them, they're able to push the politicians
                                         
                                         they like to the top, despite censorship attempts and the like. So I think that's the reason. I
                                         
                                         don't think it's that China's actively pushing Trump or Bardella or Farage.
                                         
                                         I don't know if that's even on their radar, frankly,
                                         
                                         because Nigel Farage was only running for the position of MP
                                         
                                         in one small seaside town in Clacton.
                                         
                                         I just think it's their team is much smarter than...
                                         
                                         Who's that Democrat moron that's a paid shill that's about 18?
                                         
    
                                         Harry something?
                                         
                                         Harry Sisson.
                                         
                                         He's 21.
                                         
                                         Yeah, right.
                                         
                                         Well, there we go.
                                         
                                         It's clearly underestimated.
                                         
                                         And I don't see innovative and intelligence behind that man's eyes.
                                         
                                         I see astroturfed and that he can't get his own audience organically if you left him to
                                         
    
                                         his own devices.
                                         
                                         Yeah, when he says how great Biden is, I'm like, I'm out.
                                         
                                         Yeah, he's like, ha ha, Joe Biden challenged Trump to a round of golf.
                                         
                                         Let's go.
                                         
                                         And then Trump's like, let's golf.
                                         
                                         And he's like, oh, that's so dumb.
                                         
                                         Why would you play golf, Joe Biden? And Joe Biden issues a
                                         
                                         statement saying I won't do it. He's like, ha ha, he got you. I mean, and is there any way to verify
                                         
    
                                         Harry Sisson's follower following demographics? Right. I feel like he's kind of just courting
                                         
                                         all of the left boomers, you know, by being like, look, I'm young and I like Biden. They're like,
                                         
                                         wow, this kid's so cool. Like he's the actual influencer among young people. You see this on the right too, of course.
                                         
                                         I mean, this is kind of how influencer culture has gone.
                                         
                                         But I think you're right.
                                         
                                         There's a level of,
                                         
                                         so Axios had this article
                                         
                                         where he talked about the viral battlefield
                                         
    
                                         and basically that there's a Silicon Valley pack
                                         
                                         that's formed to investigate why the algorithm works
                                         
                                         for conservatives or right-wing people better
                                         
                                         than it does for the left,
                                         
                                         which is hilarious because we all know all of Silicon Valley is biased to the left.
                                         
                                         So we can articulate our points in a comical and blunt and direct and honest fashion that
                                         
                                         resonates with popularly. It's not like some earnest, cont know, contrived, you know, pleading where you have to.
                                         
                                         I mean, the left can't meme, first of all.
                                         
    
                                         They have no sense of humor.
                                         
                                         They are perpetually outraged.
                                         
                                         And I think like your average user, like your boomer user on Facebook, for example, or what have you, does not gravitate towards anger. They don't gravitate towards sort of this trenchant sort of like
                                         
                                         direct in-your-face thing. What you got to do is you get them to see what they, you know,
                                         
                                         entertainment or Hollywood figures or, you know, I feel like the right was much more creative
                                         
                                         in the ways that they got around the gatekeepers in these social media companies.
                                         
                                         And we tricked them so many times, just trying to get our message out sincerely.
                                         
                                         But we were just too good. And so they had to drop the hammer.
                                         
    
                                         It is interesting that the obstacle would actually encourage creativity in a way.
                                         
                                         Yes, that's right. And every time they change it, you know, me and, you know, some other guys, Benny Johnson
                                         
                                         and, you know, some other,
                                         
                                         you know, some other people
                                         
                                         I work with, we'd always be,
                                         
                                         you know, we'd have
                                         
                                         our little strategy session.
                                         
                                         Well, this is what
                                         
    
                                         the algorithm's doing now.
                                         
                                         We dig into the data,
                                         
                                         pull out what we need.
                                         
                                         And well, this is,
                                         
                                         we're going to try this.
                                         
                                         We're going to do that.
                                         
                                         We're going to do this.
                                         
                                         We're going to do that.
                                         
    
                                         You know, and within a few,
                                         
                                         it was only a few days
                                         
                                         after a new algorithm dropped.
                                         
                                         Well, we got the secret sauce.
                                         
                                         You're like the Mr. Beast of politics.
                                         
                                         I thought he did something like that.
                                         
                                         I see those when I think of two young, dichotomous young men.
                                         
                                         I think of Harry Sisson and Nick Fuentes, the hard right and the hard left.
                                         
    
                                         I don't even like making examples of people, but like Harry just was like, like a goofball.
                                         
                                         Whereas Nick is actually saying intellectual things, whether you agree with them or not and so it's it's easy i think it's it's more realistic to follow the intellect no matter
                                         
                                         where it's coming from that's a great point that's a great point and because what i found
                                         
                                         when you know when i when i was a chief editor you know uh with ijr and everything that what
                                         
                                         worked really well is we were trying to be reasonable you know and actually like a lot
                                         
                                         of the hard right didn't like the website that I did because we were just too reasonable, you know, and eventually we would
                                         
                                         break leftists. They'd be like, you know, I really want to hate your content, but you guys are just
                                         
                                         so dang reasonable. You provide evidence, you know, you talk to in a very approachable way.
                                         
    
                                         You're just explaining things. You kind of leave your point and let people make up their minds at
                                         
                                         the end of it. I don't see the left doing that at all.
                                         
                                         They just virtual signal.
                                         
                                         It's kind of like at the activist rallies.
                                         
                                         They just chant the same things in unison.
                                         
                                         I mean, there's nothing intellectual about that.
                                         
                                         The left stopped making arguments decades ago.
                                         
                                         They don't make any arguments.
                                         
    
                                         They're not about persuasion at all.
                                         
                                         They're about power and about deceit.
                                         
                                         It's kind of like locking arms when people will lock arms,
                                         
                                         but they're locking minds and they're like,
                                         
                                         we will not divert from our thought patterns.
                                         
                                         You cannot break through this thought pattern kind of,
                                         
                                         kind of mentality.
                                         
                                         I find this stuff chilling.
                                         
    
                                         I got to say about Harry Sisson,
                                         
                                         because Harry,
                                         
                                         I don't know you and I'm sure you're a legit dude in reality.
                                         
                                         I'd love to hang out with you and have you on the show at some point.
                                         
                                         That is unfair.
                                         
                                         No,
                                         
                                         thanks.
                                         
                                         I just,
                                         
    
                                         I don't want to,
                                         
                                         I don't want to widen the gap unnecessarily.
                                         
                                         The,
                                         
                                         the,
                                         
                                         the,
                                         
                                         the dude just says whatever Biden says,
                                         
                                         like Biden could fart. He'd be like, yeah, go Biden. says whatever Biden says. Like, Biden could
                                         
                                         fart. He'd be like, yeah, go Biden!
                                         
    
                                         Is he getting paid?
                                         
                                         He won't admit it. There's reports that he
                                         
                                         gets paid from a consulting firm.
                                         
                                         And then the general explanation
                                         
                                         is that he'll play a semantic
                                         
                                         game where he goes, I do not get paid
                                         
                                         for my posts.
                                         
                                         And then it's like, ah, he's paid as an influencer
                                         
    
                                         but not per post.
                                         
                                         So it's,
                                         
                                         but I don't know for sure
                                         
                                         exactly what his arrangement is.
                                         
                                         Because for a young guy
                                         
                                         to get hard about Biden
                                         
                                         makes no sense.
                                         
                                         That's why they need
                                         
    
                                         to hire people.
                                         
                                         Well, people were intense
                                         
                                         about Obama, right?
                                         
                                         I think a lot of young,
                                         
                                         precocious people
                                         
                                         get really into politics
                                         
                                         early on
                                         
                                         because there is an energy
                                         
    
                                         and excitement about it.
                                         
                                         And, you know,
                                         
                                         maybe they have grown up
                                         
                                         in Democratic families or conservative families where it's like we're really invested in this and
                                         
                                         there's sort of a reward for it. But I think in a lot of cases in the influencer age, it's about
                                         
                                         getting eyes on you. And I think to your point, there is an abandonment of the need to persuade
                                         
                                         people. They're not two different ideas trying to win people over. I think conservatives tend
                                         
                                         to try to appeal to whatever or how do we how do we reposition or rephrase this argument so that this group of people
                                         
    
                                         is interested in it. With the left, it's really comply or get out. Well, I think when you go to
                                         
                                         the roots of modern leftism, like critical theory and identity politics, what you think is reason
                                         
                                         will necessarily break down as a natural course of their own ideology. So they're breaking down
                                         
                                         reason in a way that, you know, you get with these, you know, intersectionality, you get all
                                         
                                         these contradictions, the cognitive dissonance is off the charts with these people. And so when
                                         
                                         you try to make a reasonable or rational argument with them, it doesn't cut through all of these
                                         
                                         layers of dogma that they have like walls
                                         
                                         to stop you from making your reasonable point you know basic logic breaks down with their world i
                                         
    
                                         see i this is i think a generational divide okay there is no reason on tiktok it's all vibes it's
                                         
                                         all politics by vibe no it is this is the only word that you can do for it it's aesthetics it's
                                         
                                         it's it's thumos it's's energy, right? And okay, contrast
                                         
                                         Joe Biden, who's dying in front of us with Donald Trump, who looks like he's having fun or Jordan
                                         
                                         Bardella or Nigel Farage, like which of these interchangeable suits who can't go off script
                                         
                                         is compelling to a young man who wants someone to look up to and someone to have a laugh with?
                                         
                                         None of them. So the right-wing politicians just actually are now better at vibes and aesthetics.
                                         
                                         They're not just sitting down and having a great debate.
                                         
    
                                         Like, I don't think I don't think the Trump Biden debate really influenced any Zoomers.
                                         
                                         I think memes about Trump influence Zoomers.
                                         
                                         Yeah. And again, that was that was this term viral battlefield.
                                         
                                         I mean, it's it's the clips and the post-debate Internet warfare that is really influencing young voters who who didn't watch it live.
                                         
                                         They just checked in on it later.
                                         
                                         So I think the contradiction, just to unwind really quick, what I was talking about is
                                         
                                         packaging versus content.
                                         
                                         So I was just the packaging is exactly what you're talking about.
                                         
    
                                         It's very emotive.
                                         
                                         It's spontaneous.
                                         
                                         It's in the moment.
                                         
                                         It's energy.
                                         
                                         It's interaction effects.
                                         
                                         You know, but when you get people to grab that, then you unwind it, you know, you know,
                                         
                                         like, you know, you air the wine.
                                         
                                         You just kind of take it in and you're trying to get your narrative and you try to lead people through it.
                                         
    
                                         So you're kind of, you know, some people might call it confirmation bias, but you're kind of giving them the reasons that they are justified in feeling the way that they feel and believing the way that they believe.
                                         
                                         Are you saying it's like emotions first and then justification after?
                                         
                                         It's emotions first, followed by reason.
                                         
                                         I think that's interesting, given the years, at least in the U.S.,
                                         
                                         I'm sure we can have a European equivalent over there, of Trump is bad.
                                         
                                         Trump is bad, and no matter what he does, he's bad, and he's too orange,
                                         
                                         and he's very loud and mean to ladies. And I don't even know what else. But, you know, if you were, let's say, 12 when he was first
                                         
                                         elected and so you were younger than that when he was campaigning, you're 16 by the time he's
                                         
    
                                         up for reelection. So you're not quite old enough to vote at this point. This election cycle would
                                         
                                         be your first time voting after years and years of hearing, well, no matter what, we have to defeat Trump. And if that's the instinct that you have, even though you can't
                                         
                                         explain it, you might say, well, I'm never voting for Trump and then look for the explanation as to
                                         
                                         why later. You're sort of programmed for this bias against certain politicians.
                                         
                                         Well, I say I kind of like that exercise and trying to see things from a younger generation's
                                         
                                         point of view, because, you know, when you're talking about just optics, Trump is the outlaw. He's the outsider. He's yes, he's brash and maybe a BS artist and,
                                         
                                         you know, maybe everybody hates him, but he's got that, you know, dragon energy,
                                         
                                         like Kanye called it, you know, he, you know, he's kind of got that brash bravado.
                                         
    
                                         And then you've got this limp noodle, Joe Biden on the other side, you know,
                                         
                                         you can't really get behind that for aesthetics reasons.
                                         
                                         Like what you're saying, like they're very, you know, the left is very emotional.
                                         
                                         That's why, you know, Barack Obama was such a powerhouse.
                                         
                                         They were attracted, you know, people were attracted to him emotionally, you know, once he got out into, you know, there's one from Pew Research this week where it said, you know, at least 23 percent or only 23 percent of voters said that Biden could be described as sharp minded.
                                         
                                         But, you know, they'll say Trump is mean and he's too loud or else. But they also will say that he's
                                         
                                         strong and he looks, you know, he postures well. So it's like they you know, they used to say,
                                         
                                         oh, you want a politician you could get a beer with? Well, the left doesn't want to get a beer
                                         
    
                                         with Trump. But most voters will admit that in terms of strength, he is the better choice.
                                         
                                         And this is what we saw in 2016, 2020. It's the idea of being on the playground and there's a
                                         
                                         bully and you'd rather the bully be working for you than the kids you don't like. Trump can walk
                                         
                                         around and you know, hey, look, if that guy's standing in front of me, if I send him to Russia,
                                         
                                         to North Korea to negotiate, he's going to push those people around.
                                         
                                         Joe Biden is going to get pushed around.
                                         
                                         So why vote for Joe Biden?
                                         
                                         I heard this MSNBC contributor today, again, criticizing Trump and Victor Orban and, different world leaders that are unpopular are strong, like that Putin has been strong or that like, you know, the president of China has projected strength or whatever.
                                         
    
                                         And they're like, he has such a juvenile understanding of what strength is.
                                         
                                         And I think like, what do you mean?
                                         
                                         And I was just waiting for the word toxic masculinity to come out. I mean, there are all these things that we sort of subconsciously look for in world leaders that also a lot of progressive causes reject on the base. They think that they're
                                         
                                         so bad for society. And so I think it actually makes it very difficult for certain voters and
                                         
                                         certain political pundits to be able to judge what is actually attractive to someone when looking
                                         
                                         for a leader of the free world. I think it does go back to what we were talking about earlier,
                                         
                                         where the Democrat machine, you know, they have these, you know,
                                         
                                         figureheads, to use a polite term, you know,
                                         
    
                                         easily controllable people that they put out in front of it.
                                         
                                         You know, how do you have a strong charismatic authority figure
                                         
                                         that is ahead of a machine?
                                         
                                         It kind of does not go hand in hand.
                                         
                                         And so, like, when Trump upsets the, is able to
                                         
                                         prey on a weak Republican establishment and to run against them, you know, he called, you know,
                                         
                                         what, Little Hands Marco and, you know, Lion Ted and all of this. And he just goes right at the
                                         
                                         Republican establishment, senses their weakness, rises to the front, has this charismatic authority.
                                         
    
                                         You know, he's the reflection of a weak party.
                                         
                                         You know, like he can be the strong man at a weak party.
                                         
                                         I don't think it necessarily works the other way around, you know.
                                         
                                         And so I think, you know, when you see like even Marine Le Pen, you know, in France, you
                                         
                                         know, she rises in prominence.
                                         
                                         I figure the left freaks out, you know, the machine starts doing things.
                                         
                                         So they open up a campaign investigation against her, know drops two days after the election it's like you know
                                         
                                         really you know from like the previous election uh they they open up so they were sitting on that
                                         
    
                                         they had in their back pocket they want to punish her that just like that you know brazil went after
                                         
                                         bolsonaro uh like you know they're going after trump right now which for it's clear political prosecution, especially in the light of Biden's now noticeable cognitive decline.
                                         
                                         Everybody sees it. Everybody knows it. And that's what they did to protect Biden was to do all these political prosecutions.
                                         
                                         What happened with Le Pen? I didn't know they were running a. after they dropped a, you know, the Paris police authorities, the prosecutor's office dropped a
                                         
                                         campaign finance investigation. There's like a nuance in there. It's like, you know, billboards
                                         
                                         that, you know, they put up and they like misclassified it. It kind of reminds me a little
                                         
                                         bit of the Matt and DA's case where they, you know, they missed, you know, she misclassified
                                         
                                         some expenses, you know, the legal expenses. Also, they're investigating some loans she took from some Russian billionaire in 2013,
                                         
    
                                         and they're saying she's backed by the Kremlin. I mean, bear in mind, this was before even the
                                         
                                         invasion of Crimea. So it's totally absurd. Another example to add to this list is in Germany,
                                         
                                         Alternative für Deutschland, which has risen in the polls since the 2018 vote,
                                         
                                         where the Greens took a large portion of the German EU parliament and then did votes for
                                         
                                         16. It turns out all the 16 year olds don't like a bunch of criminal foreigners entering their
                                         
                                         country and taking all their job opportunities and homes. So lots of them have come out and voted for
                                         
                                         the Migration Restrictionist Party. And what's ended up happening there is after they've gotten
                                         
                                         popular on TikTok, the German government is seeking to ban them under their constitutional
                                         
    
                                         provisions, just ban their
                                         
                                         political opposition. Multiple politicians have
                                         
                                         been attacked. One of them has been stabbed.
                                         
                                         Another one, I believe, has been given
                                         
                                         a prison sentence for citing
                                         
                                         the German government's own statistics on
                                         
                                         migrant crime and sexual assault.
                                         
                                         So they are going hard after the party
                                         
    
                                         that basically tells the truth and also captures the imagination
                                         
                                         of young people. They're mad. They're using
                                         
                                         their own data against them.
                                         
                                         You said they lowered the voting age in Germany?
                                         
                                         To 16, yes.
                                         
                                         And then it massively backfired.
                                         
                                         They're doing that in the UK, by the way.
                                         
                                         It backfired that you said.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, because 16-year-olds
                                         
                                         increased the vote share for the right-wing party.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         Yes, it's also happening in the UK.
                                         
                                         The Reform Party is the most popular among young men
                                         
                                         and it's way more popular than the Conservatives
                                         
                                         among 16 to 25-year-olds. So it looks like there might be a youthquake. Keir Starmer, current Prime Minister, is thinking
                                         
                                         about lowering the voting age to 16 and is now shaky about it. He was also going to give
                                         
    
                                         the vote to all EU citizens. That is up in the air. And one interesting thing that I
                                         
                                         forgot to mention about UK elections, we allow foreign citizens to vote. If you're in the Commonwealth
                                         
                                         and you're in the UK, you're allowed
                                         
                                         to vote in our elections. So that means
                                         
                                         the 250,000... Like a tourist?
                                         
                                         Yeah. If you're from the Commonwealth country.
                                         
                                         So like India or Australia.
                                         
                                         If you're from Canada but you have a residency
                                         
    
                                         in the UK, you're voting in the UK? If you're in the UK,
                                         
                                         yeah, you can. So if you're a student
                                         
                                         from India, you can just come over and vote in the UK
                                         
                                         elections. Wow. So that's something that student from India, you can just come over and vote in the UK elections. Wow.
                                         
                                         So that's something that needs to be cleaned up.
                                         
                                         Has that been happening for a long time?
                                         
                                         That's been happening since the establishment of the Commonwealth before, obviously, mass transit and mass migration.
                                         
                                         So can you give me a quick, just like, how did India come to be a Commonwealth nation?
                                         
    
                                         Oh, they were part of the British Empire and after India claimed independence.
                                         
                                         But I mean, like,
                                         
                                         how did Britain come to,
                                         
                                         like, conquer or colonize or how does it begin?
                                         
                                         Like, show up with a bunch of boats and guns?
                                         
                                         Pretty much, yes.
                                         
                                         And then they...
                                         
                                         Were the Indian people happy about that?
                                         
    
                                         For quite a while, actually.
                                         
                                         They were pretty good with it
                                         
                                         because we brought a large amount of trade.
                                         
                                         Obviously, the East India Company
                                         
                                         was incredibly corrupt.
                                         
                                         And then there was the Amritsar Massacre
                                         
                                         where about a thousand people were shot because they
                                         
                                         were protesting. I think it was food prices and some general went rogue, but then he was
                                         
    
                                         punished by Winston Churchill. Then obviously, after Gandhi's protests, the British listened
                                         
                                         to the concerns of the Indians that were constantly protesting and said, okay, we'll
                                         
                                         withdraw and we'll split this place up. And then immediately after the establishment pakistan alongside india they started fighting again we're constantly blamed because they just
                                         
                                         can't get along so it seems to me with the uk allowing anyone to vote there's gonna be a lot
                                         
                                         of people who are not happy with the uk no no they're quite happy to go there and disrupt what
                                         
                                         the uk is doing they anytime you bring up mass immigration from other former commonwealth
                                         
                                         countries they say well you conquered our country,
                                         
                                         so it's your turn.
                                         
    
                                         And it's like, right, it's revenge.
                                         
                                         Thank you for admitting it.
                                         
                                         And your government is eager.
                                         
                                         Yes, well, it was run by an Indian man
                                         
                                         who in 2014 wrote a paper for Policy Exchange
                                         
                                         called The Changing Face of Britain,
                                         
                                         who said that politicians might want to make note
                                         
                                         of the different voting demographics
                                         
    
                                         that comprises immigration.
                                         
                                         And it just so happened the Conservative Party was voted for more by Indians.
                                         
                                         And when the Hindu prime minister is installed into office,
                                         
                                         Indian immigration just shoots up.
                                         
                                         Can't imagine why.
                                         
                                         Was he actually from India or was he of Indian descent?
                                         
                                         He's from Indian descent.
                                         
                                         His parents are from India, but he also married an Indian billionaire.
                                         
    
                                         She is the head of Infosys.
                                         
                                         And Infosys, I believe, was a company that worked with the Chinese
                                         
                                         to create the social
                                         
                                         credit system. So good times for you guys. It's working out really well. But this isn't commonly
                                         
                                         talked about. I mean, conservatives talk about this, but I feel like most of the media in the
                                         
                                         UK doesn't talk about any of it. Well, the Conservative Party certainly don't talk about
                                         
                                         it. The media in the UK certainly don't talk about it. Honestly, Nigel Farage barely touches
                                         
                                         it. He just calls Rishi Sunak corrupt and out of touch. These issues are just like beyond the pale
                                         
    
                                         other than in alternative media.
                                         
                                         Yeah, a good emperor wouldn't allow that
                                         
                                         to happen to his empire.
                                         
                                         That's why I feel like the emperor is not in control.
                                         
                                         Obviously.
                                         
                                         Would you imagine if in the Hunger Games,
                                         
                                         the Capitol let citizens from District 12
                                         
                                         just come in and vote in the Capitol?
                                         
    
                                         Crazy.
                                         
                                         There'd be no Capitol.
                                         
                                         Heavens.
                                         
                                         Yeah, you wonder why London
                                         
                                         doesn't look like a capital city anymore.
                                         
                                         Do you have to be British to become a prime minister?
                                         
                                         Do you have to be born in the country?
                                         
                                         No, you don't have to be born in the country, no.
                                         
    
                                         The Conservative Party is about to be led by a woman who is a Nigerian immigrant.
                                         
                                         Whoa.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         She can become prime minister of the country?
                                         
                                         She could, yes.
                                         
                                         Nigerian woman?
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
    
                                         Interesting.
                                         
                                         I kind of feel like this is the intention of the British Empire from the get-go.
                                         
                                         What do you mean?
                                         
                                         I mean, you go around taking over all these places or asserting control over them.
                                         
                                         Making them better, yes.
                                         
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         And then inviting them to be a part of the British Empire.
                                         
                                         You would never bring them to the capital.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, exactly.
                                         
                                         We weren't mass importing them.
                                         
                                         Like, immigration was always incredibly low until 1997. It was running at either net zero, which is now the current phrase, or net 48,000 on average.
                                         
                                         And as soon as 1997 happened, it went to net 100,000. And then under the conservatives,
                                         
                                         it's been net 700,000. What, per year? Yes, 700,000. What changed? After Brexit,
                                         
                                         all of the limitations on free movement within the schengen zone and the like
                                         
                                         were lifted and so the brexiteers in the conservative party didn't want to lower
                                         
                                         immigration like the voters did instead they just said we wanted global britain so freer movement
                                         
    
                                         with countries outside of the european union which is why we get 90 000 chinese and 250 000
                                         
                                         indians and 100 000 nigerians every year and so when i'm saying net 700 000 that means added to
                                         
                                         the population that means also 600 000 people left So every year they give 1.2 million permanent stay visas out,
                                         
                                         plus 2 million visitor visas, plus 50,000 illegal boat crossings. And that's every year in a country,
                                         
                                         as I said last night, the size of New York state.
                                         
                                         7,000 net, meaning that 600,000 people, let's say that again.
                                         
                                         700,000 net were added to the population through immigration. 600,000 left.
                                         
                                         What's the total population?
                                         
    
                                         It's about 70,000 now, but there's some quibbling on those numbers.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So there's obviously-
                                         
                                         And there's a total population of-
                                         
                                         Sorry, 70 million.
                                         
                                         My bad.
                                         
                                         There's some quibbling on those numbers because the food industry have come out and said,
                                         
                                         we're servicing a lot more than that.
                                         
    
                                         What was the population 30 years ago?
                                         
                                         Must have been about...
                                         
                                         Let's ask our robot friend.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think 10 million people have been added to the population since 1997,
                                         
                                         so it must have been about 60 million.
                                         
                                         I mean, like the US, that means that there are also people there unregistered,
                                         
                                         so you don't actually have an accurate...
                                         
                                         As of 2017, there were, according to Pew Research and the Oxford Migration Observatory,
                                         
    
                                         1.2 million illegals there.
                                         
                                         This was because Tony Blair abolished exit checks in 1998, so we couldn't verify if anyone had overstayed a visa.
                                         
                                         And this was before mass immigration, mass illegal immigration across the channel.
                                         
                                         So there's well over 2 million illegals in the UK right now.
                                         
                                         This defies logic.
                                         
                                         With the war on terrorism, this whole, since 2003, this fear of the other.
                                         
                                         It almost makes you think like these security apparatus is not really interested in security.
                                         
                                         Well, they're monitoring us.
                                         
    
                                         They're interested in something else.
                                         
                                         I know for a fact
                                         
                                         they've been monitoring us
                                         
                                         because the Home Office
                                         
                                         gives hundreds of thousands
                                         
                                         of pounds to left-wing NGOs
                                         
                                         that compile hate reports
                                         
                                         or hit pieces on me,
                                         
    
                                         specifically.
                                         
                                         And I spoke to someone
                                         
                                         in the Home Office, actually.
                                         
                                         They have a thing called Prevent,
                                         
                                         which is meant to be
                                         
                                         on the watch for terrorism.
                                         
                                         Now, bear in mind,
                                         
                                         I think it's 1%
                                         
    
                                         of the entire Muslim population
                                         
                                         in the UK
                                         
                                         is on a terror watch list. There's 4 million Muslims entire Muslim population in the UK is on a terror watch list.
                                         
                                         There's 4 million Muslims.
                                         
                                         There's 40,000 people on a terror watch list for Islamic terrorism.
                                         
                                         They spend most of the time hunting down the far right.
                                         
                                         The far right being readers of George Orwell, Douglas Murray, and me.
                                         
                                         And I was told by a guy in the home office on Prevent, he was looking at materials, and names like mine and Douglas Murray's were in there.
                                         
    
                                         I'm being monitored by my own government.
                                         
                                         People that read George Orwell?
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         And J.R.R. Tolkien.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         As signs of far-right extremism.
                                         
                                         It was reported in the Spectator.
                                         
    
                                         People who go and read it.
                                         
                                         You also go to Latin Mass because then our government will investigate you.
                                         
                                         Yeah, pray the rosary, yes.
                                         
                                         Do you have concerns about teachers in schools?
                                         
                                         Because then you will be investigated as a terrorist as well.
                                         
                                         Yes, quite, yeah.
                                         
                                         It seems like it's all syncing up across all other nations.
                                         
                                         The George Orwell stuff's wild.
                                         
    
                                         Like, 1984, have you guys, I don't know if you've read 1984 highly recommend the read it's like 100 pages long um it's there's he wrote animal farm i see animal farm leading up
                                         
                                         to this 1984 situation where they say the final and most important command from the government
                                         
                                         was to ignore the truth that your eye of your eyes and ears some some quote like that like just
                                         
                                         ignore what's right in front of you.
                                         
                                         And, dude, the forever wars across the world,
                                         
                                         you're just fighting a new enemy.
                                         
                                         We had ISIS.
                                         
                                         Now we have ISIS-K.
                                         
    
                                         Now we're fighting the Taliban.
                                         
                                         Now we're fighting the Russians.
                                         
                                         Now we're fighting who God knows what.
                                         
                                         But there's always some enemy, foreign enemy.
                                         
                                         And it's like, dude, he gave us a blueprint
                                         
                                         of what this liberal economic order
                                         
                                         has been doing, essentially.
                                         
                                         Well, I've read Brave New World, too.
                                         
    
                                         Not the script to the new
                                         
                                         captain america movie but uh you know that that kind of gives you the uh the other half of the
                                         
                                         picture where we're just you know we're dopamine freaks where you know we're looking for our next
                                         
                                         high and just going day to day you know looking for soma and and also that trailer sucked yeah
                                         
                                         i'm sorry like and i've been a big fan of the marvel movies since they started the mcu
                                         
                                         back in the day.
                                         
                                         And cultural decline. They cannot maintain this stuff.
                                         
                                         Whatever it is they're trying to do with this new Captain Marvel movie, or I'm sorry, Captain America movie, is just absolute trash.
                                         
    
                                         Make it gay and lame, like Abraham Lincoln. But it's worse than that. It's worse than that.
                                         
                                         The trailer so far was nothing. It was nothing.
                                         
                                         It's Anthony Mackie walking around and it's nothing. And I'm like,
                                         
                                         I suppose we get to the point
                                         
                                         of cultural stagnation where
                                         
                                         they try injecting ideology into it
                                         
                                         for political reasons, but also because they don't know
                                         
                                         what else to do. They're like, this is a
                                         
    
                                         thing that people are talking about. Now they got nothing
                                         
                                         to write about. It's like Hero's Journey
                                         
                                         meets, you know, neo-Marxist
                                         
                                         dogma, you know, or
                                         
                                         like identity politics. We play language and you fuse it together and you just, you know, neo-Marxist dogma, you know, or like identity politics.
                                         
                                         You fuse it together
                                         
                                         and you just... But it's not even...
                                         
                                         Heroes Journey is abandoned. They're not doing Heroes Journey.
                                         
    
                                         Well, yeah, the new regime of Disney.
                                         
                                         Right, now it's...
                                         
                                         But the point I'm trying to make is that
                                         
                                         we had this period of cultural stagnation
                                         
                                         where even when they started making these movies,
                                         
                                         it's just regurgitating old ideas.
                                         
                                         They've got nothing left.
                                         
                                         And I think there's something,
                                         
    
                                         I don't know if dangerous is the right word,
                                         
                                         but there is a portent of danger
                                         
                                         in that we are failing to create new cultural ideas.
                                         
                                         It's stagnant to the point of where it's now
                                         
                                         a brittle chalk figure disintegrating in the wind
                                         
                                         we used to make movies, we used to make music
                                         
                                         we used to make art and then it got to the point
                                         
                                         where we started regurgitating music
                                         
    
                                         art and movies, same thing over and over and over again
                                         
                                         I just used artificialintelligence.com
                                         
                                         to make a music song
                                         
                                         to make an amalgam regurgitation
                                         
                                         of something old
                                         
                                         I agree with what you're saying Tim
                                         
                                         I feel some of that frustration and our publishing houses, for example, are extremely woke.
                                         
                                         I just had a book canceled.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Well, yeah.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         There you go.
                                         
                                         And so, like, I went to HarperCollins and had a great idea and, you know, pitched a fiction book.
                                         
                                         And they said it was good, but, you know, it didn't fit the format.
                                         
                                         So we'll just do it as a graphic novel.
                                         
                                         But I didn't do that.
                                         
    
                                         I said, like, you know, I obviously did something wrong here.
                                         
                                         So, you know, I started writing fiction and I talked to like Kurt Schlichter
                                         
                                         and some other people who are independent, you know, publishers and he's been very successful,
                                         
                                         you know, just talking about, you know, we have to take advantage of the new media out there to
                                         
                                         start trying to have some cultural, you know, genesis, this sort of this new initiative to unleash our ideas, because
                                         
                                         right now should be, historically speaking, if you go to ancient Greece when it was declined,
                                         
                                         and you know, you go to a lot of civilizations when they go through periods of decline,
                                         
                                         you start seeing intellectuals try to come up with great works and to get them published. But right now we're in a period where
                                         
    
                                         there's a lot of push. We are in the counterculture. So right now the elites are
                                         
                                         starting their crackdown on us through big tech and social media. But there's still a window,
                                         
                                         there's still a twilight window left.
                                         
                                         And if we don't seize that opportunity to really tell powerful stories and narratives that connect with people like what we were saying earlier on the emotional level, and that's how you draw people in.
                                         
                                         You make them empathize with your plight.
                                         
                                         You make them connect to you and see the world through your eyes. And then that's how you actually get a broader
                                         
                                         movement, you know, because politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart was, the late
                                         
                                         Andrew Breitbart was right to point out. So if we don't really get better at telling stories
                                         
    
                                         and seizing on this small window of capitalizing on independent media, you know, even Amazon,
                                         
                                         I don't know how long this
                                         
                                         will happen they have great ways to publish books now independently and you know so our window is
                                         
                                         closing uh you know so if anybody has great ideas to write stories you know get out oh yeah psychic
                                         
                                         monkeys from space that's what i'm talking about right well connor what book did you get canceled
                                         
                                         so i'll have to elaborate on it properly at a later date, but I'd been working essentially on a book deal
                                         
                                         behind the scenes at a very prominent publisher
                                         
                                         for about a year with a wonderful man
                                         
    
                                         who was leading an insurrection inside his publishing house
                                         
                                         to get conservative books published under a new imprint.
                                         
                                         And I got right up to the acquisitions meeting
                                         
                                         where they were going to give me my advance
                                         
                                         and my deadline date.
                                         
                                         The women in the publicity department and the finance department were like, great,
                                         
                                         this is going to make us loads of money. I just did a trigonometry interview on basically its
                                         
                                         contents and it blew up unexpectedly. And then two things happened. One, sensitivity readers
                                         
    
                                         basically threw a fit and walked out of the meeting, but it was fine. We got right up to
                                         
                                         the deadline. At the last minute, a Hail Mary from an executive who introduced DEI policies into the company said,
                                         
                                         we're not going to do this anymore. We're dropping it. Done.
                                         
                                         So I've now got to start from the ground up somewhere else.
                                         
                                         Well, so what do you need to make the book happen? What's the book about?
                                         
                                         So the book is currently titled Fallen Sons, Why Gen Z Men Were Raised to be Revolutionaries.
                                         
                                         And I'm looking at the technological, social, and familial forces that dispossess men from a sense of identity, from politics, from their country, from their families, and why I predict a right-wing religious backlash coming out.
                                         
                                         What do you have so far? Do you have, like, a treatment, or do you have...
                                         
    
                                         I've got the treatment. I've got various articles that I use as samples for the chapters, and I've got a sort of draft kit bashed around.
                                         
                                         So I've been working on it for quite some time, but the problem is...
                                         
                                         I suppose the main challenge is that
                                         
                                         with these publishing deals,
                                         
                                         you're looking for distribution.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Otherwise, it's...
                                         
                                         I wouldn't be able to handle it in the US on my own.
                                         
    
                                         I've got a lovely age.
                                         
                                         And the gutting thing is,
                                         
                                         the guy who I was working with in the publishing house
                                         
                                         was really nice.
                                         
                                         Like, most of politics and most of this stuff
                                         
                                         is personal relationships, right?
                                         
                                         And you've got to really try and find the people who,
                                         
                                         one, aren't grifters,
                                         
    
                                         and two, are really sincere.
                                         
                                         And now I'm gutted to have to start at what could well be a very
                                         
                                         nice publisher, but with one that I don't already count as a friend.
                                         
                                         Well, two things. First of all, what I was alluding to earlier is Amazon has print-to-demand
                                         
                                         services for everything, including hardcover books, softcover books, you know, you can do
                                         
                                         print-to-demand. So basically, when somebody orders your book, they will print it locally
                                         
                                         and send it to them. That's a game changer. Second thing is I know some conservative publishers.
                                         
                                         We can talk afterwards.
                                         
    
                                         Anywire?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Well, perhaps.
                                         
                                         But I know people in the New York City, like Manhattan conservative publishing scene.
                                         
                                         There are a few independent or smaller house.
                                         
                                         But they were basically an imprint of – they worked with HarperCollins for a while, but I think they broke off.
                                         
                                         But, yeah, I, it's frustrating. I know personally, it's frustrating to deal with these,
                                         
                                         you know, publishing houses. And, you know, that's another way that they keep conservatives
                                         
    
                                         down. They keep us out of the counterculture, you know, and that's where we are right now.
                                         
                                         Publishing has been really gridlocked for a long time. I mean, I think that was one of the,
                                         
                                         well, I'll talk about universities, but, I think that was one of the, we will talk about universities,
                                         
                                         but I actually think publishing is one of the first sort of victory grounds of
                                         
                                         progressive influencers is that they got in early on the administrative level
                                         
                                         of publishing houses and really don't allow certain topics to be talked about.
                                         
                                         No,
                                         
                                         they have a stranglehold on it.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Very much so.
                                         
                                         Like random house.
                                         
                                         Are these the publishers?
                                         
                                         All of these huge publishing houses.
                                         
                                         They do not,
                                         
                                         you're not all of them, but they do not especially in like fiction like they really control fiction like they do not they don't let just like conservatives write fiction and just like
                                         
                                         oh here you go uh they will sequester them off into like the little politics uh sections uh you
                                         
    
                                         know of of certain like conservative publishing houses you know like murdoch's empire, you know, of certain like conservative publishing houses, you know,
                                         
                                         like Murdoch's empire, you know, has his publishing outlets, you know, so, you know,
                                         
                                         they sequest Siloes. We're gonna go to super chat. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash
                                         
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                                         we wrap this up, I'm going to drive to the airport, and I'm not going to sleep.
                                         
                                         But it'll be fun.
                                         
                                         Heading to Milwaukee.
                                         
    
                                         And I'm sure the old poker tables at Potawatomi are waiting with my name on it.
                                         
                                         So it'll be very fun to relax tomorrow and try and catch a nap.
                                         
                                         Are you going to be there all week?
                                         
                                         We're there all week for the RNC.
                                         
                                         So we're not actually going to the RNC.
                                         
                                         We're in the periphery of the RNC because everyone's going to be there.
                                         
                                         So we're going to be hanging out with people.
                                         
                                         We're going to have various people on the show.
                                         
    
                                         And excited to hang out with Jeremy from The Quartering because, of course, he's in the area.
                                         
                                         And it's like the most excited I've ever been for a Culture War episode because we're going to rag on Star Wars and Marvel and just talk culture and comics and all that stuff.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         And Magic the Gathering.
                                         
                                         Oh, good.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I love Jeremy.
                                         
                                         He had me on his show a couple months ago.
                                         
                                         Guy's great.
                                         
    
                                         Ian's got his magic deck right there.
                                         
                                         Yeah, check out Urza.
                                         
                                         It's Urza.
                                         
                                         What is it?
                                         
                                         Lord High Artificer?
                                         
                                         You want to talk about a High Artificer, man?
                                         
                                         The one and only.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I beat him in three turns.
                                         
    
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         Your deck's busted.
                                         
                                         What's the name of the commander?
                                         
                                         Nadu.
                                         
                                         Nadu.
                                         
                                         It should be banned.
                                         
                                         I agree with all those other people that were saying that.
                                         
                                         It's too powerful.
                                         
    
                                         I just waited turn three.
                                         
                                         I mean, you were watching.
                                         
                                         You did 40 things, I think, or more. It was too powerful. I just waited turn three. I mean, you were watching. You did 40 things, I think, or more.
                                         
                                         It was bonkers.
                                         
                                         You want me to concede?
                                         
                                         He's like, no, no, I want you to watch me do this.
                                         
                                         I had opening hand Shuko monocrypt.
                                         
                                         That's busted.
                                         
    
                                         That's rough.
                                         
                                         But I was playing Thassa, which is a lower power deck, just to be nice.
                                         
                                         And Ian was beating the crap out of me.
                                         
                                         And I was like, all right, Ian, I'm going to show you what's going on.
                                         
                                         Have at it.
                                         
                                         I got what was coming to me. But it is sad that a right, Ian, I'm going to show you what's going on. Have at it. I got what was coming to me.
                                         
                                         But it is sad that a game like Magic, for those that don't know what it is,
                                         
                                         it's a strategy card game.
                                         
    
                                         It's like poker and chess combined.
                                         
                                         It has been completely dominated by woke.
                                         
                                         Let me just explain to you why people are like, don't play it.
                                         
                                         It's a woke game.
                                         
                                         I'm like, I want to take back this culture.
                                         
                                         I don't want to give it up.
                                         
                                         And the same is true for skateboarding and for music and things like that.
                                         
                                         This is a card game.
                                         
    
                                         It's the first card game ever made.
                                         
                                         It has been taken over by woke entities.
                                         
                                         First collectible card game.
                                         
                                         No, it's the first.
                                         
                                         Poker.
                                         
                                         Sure, sure, sure.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         Yes, yes.
                                         
    
                                         The first collectible card game.
                                         
                                         And everything else is not.
                                         
                                         Yu-Gi-Oh!
                                         
                                         So popular.
                                         
                                         It's basically a cartoon about people playing Magic the Gathering.
                                         
                                         That's essentially what they were doing.
                                         
                                         Let me explain to you.
                                         
                                         There are five colors of magic, right?
                                         
    
                                         You've heard in movies, there's black magic, there's white magic.
                                         
                                         Well, magic has five colors, blue, red, green, black, white.
                                         
                                         There are cards that will say something like, destroy target black creature.
                                         
                                         And it's just a reference to a zombie.
                                         
                                         So they've banned cards like this because they're racist. You play with the card anymore it is a racist card you know what the
                                         
                                         name of that card is or what some of those are well there's cleanse cleanse destroys all black
                                         
                                         creatures and they banned it because it's just and i'm like a bunch of like black shadowy creatures
                                         
                                         getting ripped apart on the demons they're vampires and ghouls it's like arts black man
                                         
    
                                         yeah it's like in the last years, they've made it racist.
                                         
                                         Yes. Yeah. Nuts. They literally
                                         
                                         banned it from tournament play
                                         
                                         because it's racist. Because of the imagery
                                         
                                         on the card. It's so crazy. What if they had rebranded it to like
                                         
                                         onyx creature, you know, like an
                                         
                                         alternative word for black? I think that would be fine
                                         
                                         for those people.
                                         
    
                                         No, but I believe there was actually a discussion
                                         
                                         at one point, and
                                         
                                         in some instances where the color of black is the cards are black, they've made them lightly purple.
                                         
                                         Like, it is nuts how insane these people have gotten.
                                         
                                         It could have called it dark and light magic.
                                         
                                         I mean, they didn't have to call it white and black, but that's what Richard Garfield did in 1992.
                                         
                                         Even then, the woke have claimed that chess is racist because it's white and black.
                                         
                                         And the white people go first.
                                         
    
                                         Obviously, the Europeans attack first.
                                         
                                         Let's read Super Chats.
                                         
                                         And it's fun.
                                         
                                         But anyway, I'm excited to hang out with Jeremy.
                                         
                                         We're going to go through all of that stuff.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Anyway, Clint Torres says, howdy, people.
                                         
                                         Howdy, Clint.
                                         
    
                                         Welcome back.
                                         
                                         OK, we got chafed BM.
                                         
                                         Great name.
                                         
                                         I don't know why they were so quick to get rid of Bidden.
                                         
                                         He perfectly represents the Democrat Party. party well it's not so quick you know it's been a long time he wasn't
                                         
                                         doing their bidden their bit enough robert maris says if gavin newsom is the candidate all the ads
                                         
                                         need to be focused on sb 145 just saying what is that yeah what's that one more information sb 145
                                         
                                         i think it's going to be conala Harris. I mean, I think
                                         
    
                                         at this point there's just no other option.
                                         
                                         She's worse. And she's horrible. And it would have to be
                                         
                                         Malfeasance. I don't know, but I could see Malfeasance
                                         
                                         and her getting elected. It would just be so horrible.
                                         
                                         Maybe. Oof.
                                         
                                         Jason Dixon says,
                                         
                                         Timcast.com. That's right, buddy. Timcast.com.
                                         
                                         Good job,
                                         
    
                                         Rob says, I'd love to say happy birthday to my
                                         
                                         wife, Jamie. She's the most
                                         
                                         amazing mother and I'm blessed to have her raising our children. Thank you, Tim Kessler. Happy birthday.
                                         
                                         Yeah, right on. Cameron Kearse's honest question. Who do you guys think is running the country?
                                         
                                         It's certainly not the guy who crashed and burned on that debate stage. I really don't think there
                                         
                                         is a centralized figure running the show. I believe you have this effectively the political elite class we call the establishment or the
                                         
                                         uniparty.
                                         
                                         But there is no one person in charge.
                                         
    
                                         There are certainly people of various levels of influence.
                                         
                                         And so what happens, I think certainly there are strong influence like the Obamas being
                                         
                                         like, Joe, stop.
                                         
                                         Joe, for a while, watch his videos in 2020.
                                         
                                         We thought that was bad back then and it's kind of crazy you look at those videos back then and you can understand why i was saying like no i
                                         
                                         think joe's in charge he's just you know his brain's no good now it's like okay his brain is
                                         
                                         so no good jill's in charge yeah jill and like jeff zions his chief of staff yeah she's warm
                                         
                                         who are around him every day and able to sort of be like, OK, now I need to talk.
                                         
    
                                         Well, if you look at like who was in his cabinet and who was brought in, he's very close to corporatists like BlackRock, you know, Larry Fink.
                                         
                                         But also like Jen Psaki and Blinken come from these, you know, these K Street consulting and advising firms. And that's where the kind of, or I think the meat, you know, the
                                         
                                         process of the meat grinder is like kind of like behind the scenes where it's made. So I think like
                                         
                                         there's consultancies and they conspire with the DNC and they sort of get these masterminds or,
                                         
                                         you know, we can debate how much of masterminds they really are but these corrupt people and they just get to the top and they represent coalitions of corporatist corporate
                                         
                                         interests uh essentially hollywood is one you know like uh uh you know talent firms unions
                                         
                                         i mean every political figure every elected official is going to have a staff that they
                                         
                                         turn to to say like i need more information on this or, you know, whatever. Like, it's not it's not unreasonable. They would be surrounded by
                                         
    
                                         people who have maybe expertise in areas they don't. The problem with Biden is that he is
                                         
                                         dependent on them in a way that I don't think other people are. And again, that that speaks
                                         
                                         largely to the. Well, three of his aides were just subpoenaed for for allegedly doing presidential
                                         
                                         duties that Joe Biden should be doing.
                                         
                                         It'll be interesting.
                                         
                                         They're going to be in a deposition.
                                         
                                         There wasn't a public hearings scheduled at this point,
                                         
                                         but I find that very interesting.
                                         
    
                                         When was that? When did that go through?
                                         
                                         That was this week.
                                         
                                         Like House oversight is subpoenaed to deposition three.
                                         
                                         I mean, and you brought up his cabinet.
                                         
                                         Lloyd Austin disappeared and was hospitalized
                                         
                                         and nobody knew,
                                         
                                         including the White House.
                                         
                                         I mean, this speaks both to a problem
                                         
    
                                         with the Department of Defense,
                                         
                                         but also to the fact that
                                         
                                         no one thought it was even worth
                                         
                                         mentioning to Joe Biden.
                                         
                                         Shows a lot of respect for leadership here.
                                         
                                         Again, you know, he's come out and said,
                                         
                                         well, I had prostate cancer,
                                         
                                         so I don't want to talk about it.
                                         
    
                                         But he was in intensive care.
                                         
                                         I mean, there's a serious question of who was leading that department.
                                         
                                         I think it's maybe reflective of his work environment.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Did you see Lloyd Austin just sort of in awe at the NATO summit?
                                         
                                         You know, Joe Biden's big boy speech, you know, press conference at the NATO summit.
                                         
                                         And he's sitting there with Blinken and they're just in awe as he introduces Zelensky as President Putin.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it was rough. It was not good.
                                         
    
                                         They're like, well.
                                         
                                         But you know what's interesting is like some of this is inescapable.
                                         
                                         And they're like, yeah, even mainstream progressive media is like, yeah, he did do that, didn't he?
                                         
                                         They have to admit it's so obvious.
                                         
                                         But I also saw, I know there's one opinion piece from the Miami Herald that came out within the hour after it was over and said you know it went fine he didn't have any major gaffes and was like oh so you've
                                         
                                         already picked you pre-wrote this you didn't even watch the press conference did you see
                                         
                                         biden say that he's going to put south korea and japan back together what was that all about i
                                         
                                         thought he said like what am i doing is that the yeah he's? He's talking about South Korea. What am I doing?
                                         
    
                                         Based Japanese imperialist Joe Biden.
                                         
                                         What am I doing?
                                         
                                         Japan is like, excuse us?
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         No, I think there are these moments.
                                         
                                         I mean, like, everyone will stumble over words.
                                         
                                         I forget names regularly.
                                         
                                         There is a level of, like, you don't want to take something that really is not a big deal in blood-red proportion, but some of these big moments that he has as the president of the United States to speak clearly, to, I don't know,
                                         
    
                                         identify his vice president correctly,
                                         
                                         he just completely fumbles.
                                         
                                         And I think there is no way for anyone
                                         
                                         to walk around to the fact that he is reflecting badly,
                                         
                                         both on the country, but also his administration.
                                         
                                         Whoever is staffing him, whoever's in his ear whispering,
                                         
                                         must be just, you know, drinking heavily
                                         
                                         after he walks off stage. We got this one from SA Federale. He says, are you guys sure about
                                         
    
                                         having Ian with a lotus eater? I love you all, but this might convince Chuck that he needs to
                                         
                                         accelerate dissolving nationalism all over the West and declare Order 66. Who's Chuck? Prince
                                         
                                         Charles. No, King Charles now. Excuse me. Well, no, again, if only.
                                         
                                         King Charles is, he is not as interested in the Five Eyes.
                                         
                                         He was one of the founding members of the World Economic Forum.
                                         
                                         So he's certainly sort of interested in global politics and being a member of the managerial class,
                                         
                                         but he's not actively exerting any executive power
                                         
                                         because if you think about it,
                                         
    
                                         he could just walk into parliament with the army
                                         
                                         tomorrow and completely dissolve it and say i'm taking over for a short time fixing all the
                                         
                                         problems then we're instituting parliament afterwards and frankly things are so bad in
                                         
                                         britain right now people would probably support it but he's not going to do that one because he
                                         
                                         doesn't want to wield executive power and two because he's not on our side yeah i would think
                                         
                                         if he tried to do that the pro terrian what praetorian guard would slaughter him basically
                                         
                                         it's that stage of the roman decline where the praetorian Guard would slaughter him, basically.
                                         
                                         It's that stage of the Roman decline where the Praetorian Guard takes over
                                         
    
                                         and it's like the four emperors in four years, basically,
                                         
                                         because none of them would do the right thing,
                                         
                                         do their bidding.
                                         
                                         So I think that's basically
                                         
                                         where the British Empire is at right now,
                                         
                                         is they're like, we are not in,
                                         
                                         the emperor is not in control anymore.
                                         
                                         The civil service practically runs everything
                                         
    
                                         kind of like an eastern india trading company
                                         
                                         yeah all right let's grab this one from nikosia connection biden isn't the issue democrats are
                                         
                                         red wave in brooklyn new york last presidential and governor elections new york's been in play
                                         
                                         republican parties should have spent more time in the state nra should foot lawyer bills
                                         
                                         to the uh for those in rikers free Free Dexter Taylor. Isn't this something that
                                         
                                         Trump and a lot of Trump supporters talked about when he had the rally in the Bronx? I mean,
                                         
                                         Democrats consistently think that they win the Bronx, but actually they don't go there at all.
                                         
                                         They don't spend any time there. They just assume these voters are captured and would never think
                                         
    
                                         of voting anything but blue. And he had massive turnout there. I mean, people were really excited
                                         
                                         to see him in this place that, again, Republicans don't always, I think I mentioned this earlier in
                                         
                                         the show, but I think there are times that Republicans could be more creative or more
                                         
                                         strategic and they sort of buy the Democrats' propaganda that things that are blue will always
                                         
                                         stay blue when Democrats don't treat that, don't say that about strictly red areas.
                                         
                                         New York's purportedly a battleground state.
                                         
                                         I mean, that came out this week.
                                         
                                         Trump's been saying that.
                                         
    
                                         When I was at the New Yorker
                                         
                                         and Republicans gala last year,
                                         
                                         he was on stage being like,
                                         
                                         we're going to win New York.
                                         
                                         And it was just the funniest thing.
                                         
                                         I mean, I really think that
                                         
                                         if you had the mentality that
                                         
                                         if you are Trumpian enough or MAGA enough,
                                         
    
                                         you could potentially win
                                         
                                         all kinds of states that are written off.
                                         
                                         It would make a more interesting election.
                                         
                                         People would, again, be forced to be a little creative on problem solving.
                                         
                                         Let's go.
                                         
                                         Wyatt Caldenberg says, it is not in my soul.
                                         
                                         In a 2022 BBC interview, Michelle Obama also said she detests questions about running for
                                         
                                         president.
                                         
    
                                         This is pretty clear.
                                         
                                         Well, all right, then.
                                         
                                         All right, then.
                                         
                                         It's the thing that I sort of respect about her, which is like she got her kid into Harvard.
                                         
                                         She made her money.
                                         
                                         She gets to do whatever she wants.
                                         
                                         Like, you know, if you live a life of luxury and you aren't interested in any kind of service
                                         
                                         or any kind of power, then why would you become the president of the United States or the
                                         
    
                                         prime minister of a country?
                                         
                                         Just to keep the Obama agenda going.
                                         
                                         I think Obama's agenda right now is to drink mojitos and hang out.
                                         
                                         I think Barack Obama's agenda is to still be a power broker behind the scenes.
                                         
                                         And he's doing that.
                                         
                                         They don't need to do anything differently.
                                         
                                         Their lives are fine.
                                         
                                         Send Valerie Jarrett out to have unscripted meetings in Delaware.
                                         
    
                                         I'm sure George Clooney thought up that op-ed all on his own. Also, not being funny, why would you waste your strongest weapon on an election where if this backfires on you, it looks really bad?
                                         
                                         It's openly saying there is division.
                                         
                                         Yeah, well, not even that.
                                         
                                         Okay, let's say they put Michelle Obama up for it and Trump wins anyway.
                                         
                                         How does the establishment have any credibility after that?
                                         
                                         Like if she was going to run, she may as well wait another four years.
                                         
                                         I think so, too.
                                         
                                         Let's grab some more.
                                         
    
                                         We got Grant Nick.
                                         
                                         He says, hey, Timcast, we're going on a Freedom Truck idea.
                                         
                                         Square body with Gaston, Gadsden, and American flags in college for medicine.
                                         
                                         And he says, love y'all.
                                         
                                         Doc in training also likes wrenching.
                                         
                                         Specialization is for insects.
                                         
                                         Well, okay.
                                         
                                         That sounds awesome.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah. Is that the ant peripheral?
                                         
                                         No, it should be, though. This guy's saying he's going to be a doctor, and also
                                         
                                         he could fix your car. I mean, there are a lot of girls
                                         
                                         that this is like a prime man right now.
                                         
                                         Alright, Mike Z
                                         
                                         says, y'all mentioned how man is a social
                                         
                                         creature on Culture War. Funny enough,
                                         
                                         the Bible says Adam was literally lonely,
                                         
    
                                         God even giving Adam full
                                         
                                         reign to pick a mate. Just think,
                                         
                                         we were one bad pick away from
                                         
                                         the furries getting what they wanted.
                                         
                                         Just one guy and a bunch
                                         
                                         of animals? Yeah, you're the smartest guy in the
                                         
                                         room, so it's very lonely.
                                         
                                         It was a good cultural, though, this morning. Yeah, Ian gets it.
                                         
    
                                         You should go and watch it.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it was a really good show this
                                         
                                         morning. Did you guys find out if
                                         
                                         Phil's a communist?
                                         
                                         Phil said he now agrees with us on everything.
                                         
                                         That's hot.
                                         
                                         Did he actually say that?
                                         
                                         He did, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         He said, I agree with all you guys' criticisms of liberalism, yeah.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Phil's a wonderful gentleman, and he's very humble,
                                         
                                         and we are very persuasive with these accents.
                                         
                                         Their only argument was one thing.
                                         
                                         They were like, Phil, but you realize this makes you a communist.
                                         
                                         He was like, no, no, no.
                                         
                                         I agree with everything you said.
                                         
    
                                         Anti-communist.
                                         
                                         I am an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
                                         
                                         And also that was Phil's last show with Tim Kass for a little while because he is going on tour.
                                         
                                         So you guys should go check him out.
                                         
                                         Yes, dude.
                                         
                                         Mega Death.
                                         
                                         Kill All Enemies tour.
                                         
                                         I don't really know.
                                         
    
                                         Kill All Enemies.
                                         
                                         But he says it every night and I know he's a, I will at least miss him.
                                         
                                         Wow, that's going to be hot.
                                         
                                         We hope that he does a UK tour stop and comes and visits us.
                                         
                                         Would you open for him?
                                         
                                         Would you perform musically to open for him?
                                         
                                         I cannot play any instruments.
                                         
                                         Some of my colleagues can.
                                         
    
                                         You're going to have to get me very drunk to do any karaoke, I'm afraid.
                                         
                                         Okay, Phil, you've heard it here first.
                                         
                                         Deal.
                                         
                                         All right, let's grab some more super chats.
                                         
                                         What is this?
                                         
                                         I don't know what that is.
                                         
                                         Who do we have here? It's destroy all enemies is uh who do we have here or is destroy all enemies
                                         
                                         to or not kill all enemies yeah destroy all enemies just destroy them andrew ho says musk
                                         
    
                                         voted democrat in 2020 it started when the bite administration held a convention with all motor
                                         
                                         industry regarding evs but did not invite one company the original tesla yup he got snubbed
                                         
                                         and i think he tweeted something like i don't understand we're leading the charge on this
                                         
                                         fighting fighting carbon emissions and climate change.
                                         
                                         Why are we being ignored?
                                         
                                         And he said, I don't like you.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yep.
                                         
    
                                         They don't want to solve the problem.
                                         
                                         They just want power.
                                         
                                         It's just emotion.
                                         
                                         But I think it's actually much more simple.
                                         
                                         These other companies are in the fold.
                                         
                                         And it wasn't so much that he didn't like Elon, it's that he's an outsider.
                                         
                                         And so Elon is doing this hard work.
                                         
                                         And he's like, we have like the premier EVs.
                                         
    
                                         Everybody loves our brand and you've excluded me.
                                         
                                         And they're like, well, Biden's thinking
                                         
                                         I control these people.
                                         
                                         I don't control him.
                                         
                                         He's not coming anywhere near me.
                                         
                                         So then Elon was like, so be it.
                                         
                                         I'd love to actually ask him about it.
                                         
                                         That's how you know their cause is superficial
                                         
    
                                         and it's just of convenience.
                                         
                                         It's a way to have an artificial market and to get the government grift and so to say you know they'll shut down uh a traditional
                                         
                                         car company or a traditional like full sorry fossil fuel or coal mine or something like that
                                         
                                         then they'll come in and be like but now we're building an ev plant here and look at all these
                                         
                                         jobs we've created not acknowledging the fact that they have actually destroyed a local and block nuclear power plants. Right.
                                         
                                         Right. Yeah, you're right.
                                         
                                         Yep. All right.
                                         
                                         I say federal is back. He says, anybody remember the 90s
                                         
    
                                         when Sun Micro and Oracle worked closely
                                         
                                         with Microsoft and the Delphi
                                         
                                         programming language was was all
                                         
                                         an attempt at early AI, kind
                                         
                                         of like they told you it was an Apollo cult.
                                         
                                         Hmm. I don't
                                         
                                         know. I was too young.
                                         
                                         Do not know.
                                         
    
                                         Do not know.
                                         
                                         Andrew Ho says Obama was an intelligence plant.
                                         
                                         His name is also Barry Sotero from his stepfather Lolo Sotero from Indonesia who was a millionaire
                                         
                                         and also a top CIA contractor there.
                                         
                                         He has cousins with the Bush family.
                                         
                                         Is that all true?
                                         
                                         Oh, I didn't see that.
                                         
                                         I don't know about that. It's possible, but I didn't see that. I don't know about that.
                                         
    
                                         It's possible, but I didn't need to see that.
                                         
                                         It's on the internet, so it must be true.
                                         
                                         I need to see receipts, but that's a good theory.
                                         
                                         Just need receipts.
                                         
                                         Kobe Schoonert says,
                                         
                                         Hey, Tim and Tim, I'm a CEO of a Milwaukee tech company.
                                         
                                         We're on the cusp of the yellow-red zone for RNC.
                                         
                                         Happy to host you for the week for TimCast IRL
                                         
    
                                         if you're looking for space.
                                         
                                         We've got a big office. We've got a space already.
                                         
                                         Everything's set up. Crew's already en route, IRL if you're looking for space. So we've got a big office. We've got a space already. Everything's set up.
                                         
                                         Crew's already en route, I believe.
                                         
                                         They're probably arriving very soon.
                                         
                                         And then we're arriving first thing in the morning.
                                         
                                         I'm not actually going in the RNC at all.
                                         
                                         I'm just, but everyone's going to be there.
                                         
    
                                         So, you know, we're going to hang out.
                                         
                                         We're going to have fun.
                                         
                                         And definitely not going to the DNC because I've grown quite fond of living.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I don't know. I say that's a joke.
                                         
                                         I don't know how bad it will be in Chicago. I imagine there'll be riots in Chicago, such a
                                         
                                         raucous place as it is. Look, man, I'm from there. Me and my brother are getting off 290 onto
                                         
                                         Independence and some guy driving by us just points a gun out the window and shoots at us.
                                         
                                         When? I don't know. It was 15 years ago. Oh ago oh my god but i mean that's just chicago it's not like you're getting shot at every
                                         
    
                                         day i think i think i've been in the vicinity uh the vicinity of shootings five or six times
                                         
                                         you know of like you know actual attempts at killing it's a big city too i was in the north
                                         
                                         side like uh dip what is it uh the brown the brown line you know lawrence and damon area and it was really nice i thought it was really nice three
                                         
                                         years i lived up in too long it's really cool i'm not i wasn't a big north side guy yeah i've never
                                         
                                         went to the south side it was like two different cities kind of in a lot of ways a massive place
                                         
                                         it's huge yeah but considering considering all the violence the rioting and the insanity that's
                                         
                                         expected plus the police are yeah sorry chic sorry, Chicago, it's super corrupt.
                                         
                                         The cops are super corrupt there.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, dirty cops.
                                         
                                         There's like a video, I remember this took 20 years ago, like a meter maid gave a ticket to a squad car because he was illegally parked and he wouldn't move.
                                         
                                         And then he grabbed her by the throat and slammed her up against the wall because he's like, I'm a cop, I can do whatever I want.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's a dirty city.
                                         
                                         Plus you had that guy who was electrocuting all those people
                                         
                                         into forced confessions.
                                         
                                         What was that guy's name?
                                         
                                         Someone want to Google that?
                                         
    
                                         Was he a cop?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Well, Chicago cops have been like that since daily.
                                         
                                         I mean, you had the 68 convention, the uprising with the yippies
                                         
                                         and all of that.
                                         
                                         And one of the, like a 17-year-old pulled out a gun,
                                         
                                         and they shot him dead. And then the left, one of the, you know, like a 17 year old pulled out a pulled out a gun and,
                                         
                                         you know, they shot him dead. And then they the the left turned him into a cause celebre. So I guess that playbook's been around for a long time. Chicago famously has the police run black sites.
                                         
    
                                         These are seemingly abandoned buildings in the middle of nowhere where they take
                                         
                                         suspects to beat and torture. Yeah, that's a story from truth at dot org. Chicago police
                                         
                                         tortured victims with electric shocks, burns. Yeah, what's
                                         
                                         his name? I'm trying to find it. I always forget his name.
                                         
                                         Is this just gang? Under Commander John
                                         
                                         Burge? Yeah, John Burge.
                                         
                                         Burge or Burge? B-U-R-G-E. I think it's Burge.
                                         
                                         Yeah. Famous story.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, internationally.
                                         
                                         He would, mostly black
                                         
                                         suspects, he'd bring them in and be
                                         
                                         like, confess to the crime. And they'd be like,
                                         
                                         I didn't do it. And then he'd get a cattle prod and just say you did it. And then eventually they'd be like,
                                         
                                         some of them refuse. They're like, I'm not confessing to a crime. I didn't commit no
                                         
                                         matter what you do. Some people just gave in. And there was, I don't know if it was hundreds
                                         
                                         or thousands of innocent people in prison because this guy was just forcing confessions because
                                         
    
                                         they're evil people, dude. So i've had my run-ins not super
                                         
                                         excited to go to a place where you've got far leftists attacking people then you've got communist
                                         
                                         police officers serving a communist government in the city i'm just not interested in being
                                         
                                         anywhere near that like i got no problem going to chicago to see family and everything you do
                                         
                                         that all the time yeah the parks are really nice but not when the far left is engaging in a conflict
                                         
                                         with corrupt communist police officers
                                         
                                         and it's just this weird commie battle going on.
                                         
                                         It's going to be the most confusing DNC.
                                         
    
                                         I don't even know what the hell is going to happen.
                                         
                                         Bring your popcorn.
                                         
                                         That's from afar.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         Colgate V1 says, if Magic the Gathering banned cards that they themselves named black for
                                         
                                         being racist, wouldn't that be them admitting they made a racist part of the game?
                                         
                                         Different ownership.
                                         
                                         They sold to Wiz part of the game oh different ownership and and we'll do wizards of the coast but an independent uh skate truck company abandoned
                                         
    
                                         their their logo after like 50 years because some leftists complained it looked like an iron cross
                                         
                                         and that's racist so they got rid of it and now i own it didn't mackimow apologize for having a
                                         
                                         haircut that would seem too fascist or something i I don't know, but I will take at every opportunity, at every chance, the opportunity to assert
                                         
                                         ownership over that symbol, which I declared several years ago and sold products.
                                         
                                         And let me grab it while we're here.
                                         
                                         Yeah, and make sure we can.
                                         
                                         We should do an official black on white night.
                                         
                                         What was that company's name that had that?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, what's that company's name again?
                                         
                                         Oh, this is the TimCast Skate Company logo, if you ever see it anywhere.
                                         
                                         We have been selling products for years.
                                         
                                         We've publicly announced it on our show to tens of millions of people that this is our logo.
                                         
                                         We own it.
                                         
                                         It is trademarked by us, the TimCast Skate Company.
                                         
                                         You see?
                                         
                                         That's it.
                                         
    
                                         See, this used to be the independent truck company logo, but it was racist, so they got rid of it.
                                         
                                         They've abandoned their logo, publicly stated they want nothing to do with it, and I immediately said, I'm using it.
                                         
                                         It's mine.
                                         
                                         And we had a bunch of these boards made and sold.
                                         
                                         So, you know, what are you going to do?
                                         
                                         I think certainly at this point, what are they going to argue?
                                         
                                         We've been using the logo.
                                         
                                         And the funny thing is,
                                         
    
                                         if you go to some of the oldest skate parks in the world,
                                         
                                         you'll see that symbol up somewhere.
                                         
                                         They slap the stickers around.
                                         
                                         And this company was like, well,
                                         
                                         we don't want to be called racist by a group of degenerates.
                                         
                                         Let's abandon our corporate logo.
                                         
                                         And I said, I will, I humbly accept.
                                         
                                         Thank you, Independent.
                                         
    
                                         It is no longer your logo.
                                         
                                         And for now, I think we're going on two years of us having owned that.
                                         
                                         Beautiful.
                                         
                                         That was a classic logo.
                                         
                                         It was from like the 80s they had it.
                                         
                                         Well before that.
                                         
                                         You know what I think I'll do next?
                                         
                                         I think I'm going to issue a more solid public statement and file with the U.S. trademark office to make a more official assertion, because I'll be
                                         
    
                                         completely honest about how I view this. They've abandoned this logo because they're scared of
                                         
                                         being racist. So be it. I will take it. If they want to come out publicly and assert ownership
                                         
                                         of that logo, I welcome them to do it. Please come out and get into a public battle with me
                                         
                                         over who owns that logo. I don't care who does, because I tell you, if it was like Steven Crowder who came out and said he owned it,
                                         
                                         we would both laugh a healthy chortle and cheers our Stein mugs together and
                                         
                                         drink beer and then have a joke about who actually owns it.
                                         
                                         If a leftist organization wants to take it,
                                         
                                         they can have it.
                                         
    
                                         Just got to come here and you got to make your,
                                         
                                         you got to assert it and fight,
                                         
                                         make that argument.
                                         
                                         I would love to see independent truck company,
                                         
                                         one of the most iconic skate brands,
                                         
                                         publicly declare that is and will be
                                         
                                         their logo.
                                         
                                         They removed it
                                         
    
                                         from their products.
                                         
                                         They removed it
                                         
                                         from their website
                                         
                                         and they said,
                                         
                                         we disavow.
                                         
                                         It's not even the Iron Cross.
                                         
                                         It's such a crazy mess.
                                         
                                         No, it's not.
                                         
    
                                         You're right.
                                         
                                         All right, everybody,
                                         
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                                         I gotta go get on a plane.
                                         
                                         This is gonna be so brutal.
                                         
                                         But, you know, we gotta to do what we got to do.
                                         
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                                         But we'll see you out in the Midwest.
                                         
                                         I look forward to eating cheese in Milwaukee.
                                         
                                         Kyle, do you want to shout anything out?
                                         
                                         No, just shout out to everybody watching.
                                         
                                         Thank you for tuning in and hearing the banner.
                                         
                                         That's all I got to say. All right. Can they follow
                                         
                                         you somewhere? Yeah, just
                                         
                                         at KyleNABecker is great.
                                         
    
                                         You know, I'm pretty active on there.
                                         
                                         So hopefully you like what you see.
                                         
                                         Thank you very much for having me, Tim.
                                         
                                         You can follow me at con underscore Tomlinson
                                         
                                         on Twitter. You can find all of my work, including
                                         
                                         Tomlinson Talks, every Wednesday afternoon
                                         
                                         on LotusEaters.com. I also
                                         
                                         appear on the New Culture Forum, write for a couple of magazines and the like.
                                         
    
                                         And I really enjoyed being here the past couple of days.
                                         
                                         Look forward to coming back to the States sometime.
                                         
                                         It was an honor and a privilege to have you on three shows while you were here.
                                         
                                         I really do appreciate you coming on.
                                         
                                         I can't wait to sleep.
                                         
                                         Yeah, Carl, he was done for the night.
                                         
                                         Yeah, he was.
                                         
                                         Are you guys going to the RNC?
                                         
    
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         We're going home after this.
                                         
                                         Well, I'm Ian Crossland.
                                         
                                         Thanks for coming, everyone.
                                         
                                         Follow me at Ian Crossland.
                                         
                                         Anytime I want to give a special shout out to Serge, who's just crushing it over to my left over here.
                                         
                                         Look at that guy's hair.
                                         
                                         I mean, do you even have a camera on you anymore, Serge?
                                         
    
                                         No, Serge is a secret.
                                         
                                         Beautiful hair, by the way.
                                         
                                         I mean, it really looks stunning, dude.
                                         
                                         Serge is going to release his curl DIY, what products he uses very soon, probably on his
                                         
                                         personal Twitter account. He's so mad that he doesn't have a mic right now to yell at me.
                                         
                                         I'm Hannah Claire Brimel. It's been great to have you both here. You can find my work and all the
                                         
                                         work of the writers at scnr.com, at TimCastNews on Instagram, Twitter. They're really great and
                                         
                                         you should see what they're up to. If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter at
                                         
    
                                         hannahclaireb. I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
                                         
                                         Thanks for everything you guys do.
                                         
                                         Have a good night.
                                         
                                         All right, everybody.
                                         
                                         Thanks for hanging out.
                                         
                                         We're going to be back.
                                         
                                         We've got clips throughout the weekend.
                                         
                                         We're back on Monday from Milwaukee, and we will see you all then.
                                         
