Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1071 Crowdstrike Causes LARGEST I.T. CRASH In History, Credit Cards STILL DOWN w/Brick Suit

Episode Date: July 20, 2024

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Luke are joined by The Quartering & Brick Suit to discuss CrowdStrike causing potentially the biggest IT Outage in history, reports emerging that the Trump shooter flew drone ove...r Trump's rally prior to Trump rally, & MSNBC's Joy Reid facing major backlash for suggesting Trump shooting was a hoax. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:08 give her cash. Fortunately, I always have some cash on me, but CrowdStrike is reportedly responsible for the largest IT infrastructure outage in history, disabling a massive portion of the global economy. It's not just in the United States. There are reports of people in Europe trying to fly out. Their planes ain't going anywhere. We're talking about how something like that happens. It's also disrupted early voting in Arizona, which is freaking everybody out. We'll talk about that. And then this is kind of crazy. The story around the assassination attempt on Trump. We keep getting new information that makes there's no official story, so I don't even know what to tell you. But now
Starting point is 00:01:45 we're learning that they allowed the shooter to fly a drone over the rally. So I'm at a loss for words. OK, I did a lot of early research and work with aerial drones, United States. I know about the legalities and the limitations. In fact, I worked with government agencies on literally what some of the regulations should be. The idea that you could fly a drone at a presidential rally is the most insane thing I've ever heard. Wall Street Journal is now reporting that. None of it makes sense, my friends, but we're going to talk about it. So before we get started, head over to castbrew.com and buy coffee. Everybody's raving about Ian's graphene dream. I don't know why. Apparently they're saying it's absolutely amazing. And that's just bad news for Alex Stein's Primetime Grind, two times caffeine.
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Starting point is 00:03:35 That's correct, yeah, at Butler. Just by chance, really. And so you witness all of it. It's really great to have you, man. We'll talk about the news and hear your perspective. Okay. Who are you? What do you do? Well, my name is Blake, but I go by BrickSuit when I'm doing stuff online. I generally support the president and America First politicians and just kind of, you know, it really started as just something fun to do, but it's grown into something more than that. And usually that's pretty much it. Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Jeremy's back. Glad to be back. Glad to be here. Thanks for moving your entire
Starting point is 00:04:09 operation to Wisconsin just to accommodate my fear of travel. So glad to be here tonight. Thanks for having me. And of course, Luke is here as well. Luke Rudowski, youtube.com forward slash we are changed today. No tape over the t-shirt because it's not really a controversial one, but a good one that reads, trust God, not government. Get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:04:30 And I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow. I'm the writer for scnr.com. I'm happy to be here with Jeremy on our last night in Wisconsin. Thank you guys all for tuning in. Let's get started. This is the big news from today. Of course, there's a ton of big news, but this one really is affecting your life. Microsoft crowd strike issue causes largest IT outage in history. Live updates say businesses worldwide grappled with an ongoing major IT outage Friday as financial services and doctor's offices were disrupted while some TV broadcasters went offline. Wow. Banks were shut down. Air travel has been hit particularly hard with planes grounded, services delayed,
Starting point is 00:05:04 airports issuing advice to passengers. The outage came as cybersecurity giant CrowdStrike experienced a major disruption early Friday following an issue with a recent tech update. CEO George Kurtz has since said the company is actively working with customers impacted by a defect found in a single content update for Windows hosts, stressing that Mac and Linux hosts are not affected. This is not a security incident or a cyber attack. The issue has been identified, isolated, and a fix has been deployed. One expert suggested it may be the largest IT outage in history. And I just would like to stress, if a single update could disrupt like a large portion of the global economy, you've basically just told all of our enemies the easiest way to, I don't know, shut down the
Starting point is 00:05:44 global economy. Some are actually suggesting there's a conspiracy theory of uh there is a conspiracy afoot that it actually was a cyber attack against the u.s they're trying to cover up because they don't want people to panic however what i what i've seen from some it channels on x is that the update accidentally had code pointing to what what do they call it, like a null identifier? Did you see that too, Jeremy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like basically it was a dead link. The memory said pull from this place
Starting point is 00:06:11 and this place was nothing. So it just bricks out. Like entry level stuff. Yeah, don't they usually test updates before sending them out to the entire freaking world? Not on Fridays. Yeah, I mean, automatically I was like, wait, this story kind of
Starting point is 00:06:25 doesn't add up here the first thing that i thought about was cyber polygon maybe this is a test run but who knows maybe it could be an accident maybe it could be a coincidence but cloud strike is kind of a political group they are kind of more aligned with the democrats that blame they blamed russia on hacking the dnc they also have a major DEI office. So this is not a bipartisan organization. This is a political organization that also very conveniently wiped off a lot of favorable news coverage for Donald Trump as well. So again, I don't know what happened, but I hope we find out. I'd like to point out that bricking out is not always a bad thing. Yeah, the crazy thing about this is that they're saying when all of these computers went down, it's a single update that knocks all the computers offline,
Starting point is 00:07:08 and then they have to manually reboot each machine to make it work. This is a huge and glaring cybersecurity issue coming from a company that's supposed to be helping them. But wasn't CrowdStrike involved in the DNC stuff? What is it? They claimed that the Russians were responsible for the DNC hack. Yeah, and that's probably not true, but I love how you've got these
Starting point is 00:07:33 let's just call them friends of the deep state, who will come out and say whatever the deep state wants to hear, and they can tell that to the press, and then you wonder why it is your credit cards don't work. One of the theories going around right now, and I don't really care to believe this stuff, but at least it makes for entertaining content, I guess, is that they're flexing their muscles as a threat to Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I mean, the timing is coincidental, right? It's the day after he accepts the Republican nomination to be the presidential candidate and he delivers the longest recorded speech in televised history. I mean, you know, I'm I am our resident technophobe. I barely know how to turn on my phone. Jeremy was just trying to fix my battery on my computer. But I will say, you know, the longer Americans go through, you know, they struggle to get into their financial institutions. The flights are all in disarray. It heightens the sense of fear. I think a lot of people have that the country really is on the brink of instability. And especially after basically a week of very positive messages coming from the Republican
Starting point is 00:08:30 campaign, it is hard not to believe that someone out there wants people to go back to feeling not hopeful, but scared. Yeah, I wonder. Donald Trump generated a ton of news. He gave a powerful speech. Everybody was praising it. And then in the morning, instead of the news cycle being Donald Trump's speech, it's planes are down
Starting point is 00:08:48 and your credit cards don't work. Is that what you were pointing out, Luke? People were freaking out in the morning. And it didn't just start in this morning. It happened last night. A lot of people were having difficulties flying back with transportation, getting into their banks, being able to travel, being able to get
Starting point is 00:09:03 emergency services. The Coast Guard had to manually have called it because their entire system went down. So it wouldn't surprise me if there were some lives cost because of this coincidence. And how many people get paid on Fridays, right? They're saying hospitals, for instance, were shut down. They couldn't get people in because their computers weren't working. Exactly. There was a big outage of the emergency services in Massachusetts about a month ago at this point.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And it was during that huge heat wave that went through a lot of the country, but definitely affected the Northeast. And it was dangerous, right? Because you have extreme heat. And in New England, not everyone has air conditioning. So you have potentially older at-risk people not being able to have intervention. It is interesting to me that about a month later, we're seeing another big outage on an even larger scale. Yeah. Even this morning, if you didn't have
Starting point is 00:09:51 cash, you couldn't buy breakfast. You still can. Yeah, you still can't. It's still down. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. If you guys are in the chat, you can comment. If credit cards are still down, yeah, they're down for us. Cash is king. It's the only way to get it done. And I don't know. I'm not too mad about it because I don't like, you know, having to do everything through these digital systems. And cash, I think, is a good thing they're trying to get rid of. But even our team's basically asking how this is possible. We have one super chat that I want to shout out right away. Patrick C says he was an IT sysadmin for 20 years. There's no way this was negligence because CrowdStrike is a huge company. They have policies in place.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Even when we do updates on like our rinky dink little app, you can't roll out a bad patch. It's just we have a test environment. And then you roll out there. And then when everything works, we then send it to the main environment. I don't understand how this could happen. It's 2024. We can't believe in coincidences. And today should be a major wake-up call to everyone
Starting point is 00:10:50 to just how fragile our society is and just how dangerous a cashless society is that many globalists, many government officials want to ram through. And they already have rammed it through in other places like Australia where cash purchases over a certain amount are illegal. And they are criminalizing individuality, privacy, sovereignty, freedom at the fullest extent.
Starting point is 00:11:13 And the buck stops with you, literally. Cash is king. And I think today we realized that we got to have more of it since, of course, the banks don't even have that much cash on hand. Remember how hard it was to get change? Post lockdowns? I don't believe that. I'm sure there were quote-unquote reasons for that. Pre-lockdowns, there was a whole war on cash.
Starting point is 00:11:34 It spreads the disease. It spreads the sickness. And I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? Do you know how many hundreds of, I'm sure it's out there, just in credit card fees were lost today. Astronomical amount of money that was lost today. That's why it's represented in the stock market. A lot of this comes from our government allowing the same three companies to run literally everything.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And it's just another perfect example of a system that favors these virtual monopolies and then gives them all the power and then you know really every major bank and every major this and that should probably not be on the same thing oh let's let's let's bring the conspiracy conspiracy is worst look at this from the new york post crowd strike global tech snarls early voting in arizona with gob convention travelers delayed so uh all of the gop reps and delegates trying to fly out are jammed up, severely limiting their capabilities. This will have a noticeable effect on Republicans' ability to have meetings, to make phone calls, to fundraise for at least a couple days. Because if they miss their flight today, then they're going to be delayed till tomorrow. Some people probably said, OK, we'll just come back tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:12:40 But more importantly, voting in Arizona was actually upset by this. And so some people have been spreading this rumor that Dominion voting machines got shut down. That is not correct. It is something to do with the printers that print out the polls they need for voting weren't working. So it actually disrupted voting. Is it going to disrupt fundraising, too? I mean, at the RNC, Republicans are going to be making calls after President Trump's acceptance speech. Yeah, that's wild. People this morning who should have landed a couple hours, you know, they wake up at 9, they get to the airport, they get ready to go to the airport, they're there by noon, their flight's in a little bit, they land in the afternoon, they're on the phone after that, it's Friday. Now they're not. Now they're in the airport calling the airline trying to figure out why they can't fly.
Starting point is 00:13:24 And all of these Republicans who just heard trump speak that's that's the key moment for trump to be like give me money well not just not just those people flying home to make those calls but if calls go through are people able to make donations if they are reached i mean it's like credit cards the actual engine right that accepts the donation down so even if you have volunteers back home in Arizona, can they even process the donations? That's interesting. As long as if they were using CrowdStrike, then they can't. Everybody else seemed to have been fine. X was fine. Everybody was posting on X. Linux servers were all fine. Anybody who was on Linux, my website was fine.
Starting point is 00:14:00 It's kind of wild that we rely so heavily on singular companies for this stuff and that they could automatically update in such a way that it basically breaks everything. There was apparently like some posts, I don't know if that was you mentioning it, Jeremy, where a guy was like, I could fix that computer right now, but the airline lady won't let them because I mean, the point that you made too, it's like manual updates. This isn't like a, just roll it back thing. People had to, you know, actually come into the office and reboot these machines. And a lot of people didn't have like admin access. So a lot of employees who have corporate computers, they didn't actually have credential levels or whatever on their laptops that deploy the fix themselves. So people that are all over the place, working remotely, traveling, they had basically bricked PCs. And maybe we now know who, perhaps you were at the center of BrickSoupGuy. Do you have an alibi right now? Were you uploading an update last night?
Starting point is 00:15:00 I'm going to take the fifth on that. Yeah, smart. Neither confirm nor deny. Let's jump to this story, too, where things get crazy. The Wall Street Journal is reporting the Trump gunman flew a drone over the rally site hours before the attempted assassination. I'm going to pause right now and just say that's impossible. That is impossible. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Modern drones won't even fly in secure zones. I don't know how this is possible. If you buy a modern consumer grade drone and you turn it on, it will tell you before you can fly, you have to download the map, which tells you where you can and cannot fly. It tracks no fly zones, FAA rules and regulations. After you download it, if you were anywhere near anything like this, it says cannot take off. Now it's possible. It's possible. He had a really old drone from 10 years ago or something that he was flying, but this makes literally no sense outside of the technological hurdles. They allowed a drone to fly overhead and they didn't do anything about it. Okay. That's it. I don't see how anyone at any point could say anything other than inside job hands down. I'm I'm look in 2011 at occupy.
Starting point is 00:16:14 I'm flying one of the first commercial grade drones and we hacked it to live broadcast using the software development kit. We pulled the data from the device while it's in the air and sent it to a, to a laptop computer and then captured the video feed and broadcast it on the internet. For this, we ended up getting a bunch of attention. I ended up actually consulting with the university and the government on drone regulations and rules. And this is impossible. They let someone fly a drone. Let me tell you why it's impossible. The reason why we have the restrictions on drones, look at what's going on in Ukraine. They strap a very small explosive to a drone.
Starting point is 00:16:50 The idea that they would allow a drone to fly anywhere near a presidential rally without putting in any kind of override is impossible. They let this happen. I don't get it. Yeah, a 20-year-old shouldn't outsmart the national security state, but that's the official story that we're kind of being told to by the corporate media, that he somehow was able to get his hands on transmitters, also have explosives, also be able to wipe his phone. Is this guy like a tech genius? Is he the smartest man that's able to beat out the NSA spying on every little single thing you do? I don't think so. Don't forget he can be on a sloped roof, too. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I mean, he's able to do that. Guys, that's a lot of skills. He's got anti-gravity boots, yeah. This means that for, we're going to have to go and look at all of the other Trump rallies to determine when they're allowing flights over the president, which is nuts. But this implies that at a deeper federal level, it wasn't just the Secret Service who said, whoops, there's no guy on that roof. It is the FAA allowing drones to fly over it. I'm going to pause and say this must be an old school drone pre-FAA lockdowns.
Starting point is 00:18:07 So, I mean, it's nuts to me because, look, even 10 years ago, they updated the drones. I'm talking 2014 and 15. All the drones got major updates that they could not fly because they were given FAA digital maps internally, which connected to their GPS, which would block them from flying in certain areas. They also transmit their position
Starting point is 00:18:27 to a lot of the modern ones. So the FAA did not put up a no-fly zone to restrict drone flight? The Secret Service and local law enforcement allowed a guy to launch a drone? They say the use of the drone was just one way in which authorities have said crooks planned his attack. How is this possible?
Starting point is 00:18:43 Could it have been the day before? It says hours before. Tim, can I ask you a question on this? Because I don't know. This is right before the event. I don't know anything about drones at all, really, because I don't have one. But could he have pre-programmed it to launch from wherever I am, fly in a certain direction, a certain amount of space, and then come back?
Starting point is 00:19:00 Like the drone was never really referencing that. That's not only if it's an older drone from like 2013 or maybe he he hacked it i guess and i that's the level of sophistication that i think i would be surprised by look he's an expert bomb maker if you right i mean what is this 20 a 20 year old with with with explosive remote triggers remote and and drones that seemingly bypass and no i mean some people have chatted saying that it's uh the fa had no no fly zone over there and i'm like what how look look go to best buy buy a consumer grade drone it will not fly unless you connect it to the internet for an update first so it can track fa no fly zones the secret service denied a foyer request from america first legal today uh know, they're asking for information like the identities of the Secret Service agents,
Starting point is 00:19:48 all kinds of details about what's going on. And the Secret Service basically said, like, there's no urgency. You don't need this information. And I can understand where, you know, kind of to be expected, right? They're a federal agency that's in the middle of something. They're still getting their story together. On the other hand, I think it is amazing that we are still almost a week out from this and really the government has not been able to even present something that they could could like not even a story that we all would believe is a lie
Starting point is 00:20:14 or a cover up. They're saying nothing and they're denying all requests for information. It's possible as people are chatting, he built his own drone. Absolutely. And so the narrative is then the dude built explosives with remote triggers and he built his own drone. He flew his own custom built drone at a presidential rally in front of law enforcement and no one did anything. Dude, I'm sorry. If a custom built drone is flying around a presidential rally, you'd think they'd stop it. They'd say, we're going to figure out the source of this. Mr. President, do not go out on stage. We had a drone flying overhead and we can't identify where it's coming from. I'm sorry, dude.
Starting point is 00:20:51 This is nuts. This is just... They're not getting this one through on the story of some dumb 20-year-old figured this one out. There's no way some dumb 20-year-old or some crazy kid who apparently... What was he in a Black Rock commercial? Is that true? That is true. They filmed at his at his high school right he was like a extra kind of he was in the background there's there's and that's an aside that's an aside yeah but some 20 year old kid with remote triggers how do you make those where do you get them from well there's the story too about
Starting point is 00:21:17 the second cell phone they found that has like you know a handful of contacts and now the fbi or whoever it's going through and trying to make contact with each one of those people. I mean, the initial story was this kid barely existed, right? He has no social media history. He has no friends and he never talked about anything and we don't know anything about him. And slowly we actually are getting details. He clearly has someone in his phone book. He was on that social media site saying something. I saw this report the other day that he told his boss that he needed the next day off because he had he needed July 13th off because he had something to do. I mean, people know this person and this idea that he was able to do all of these things as like a lone wolf becomes increasingly more sketchy. The longer the DHS and Secret Service keep it a mystery.
Starting point is 00:22:02 As his parents were calling the police hours beforehand, saying that they were concerned about the whereabouts and what their son is doing. It was like 11 o'clock at night. Yeah, there was many reports. There was many different things that they missed clearly here. And it really makes you kind of wonder, you know, with the FBI going after pro-lifers, going after PTA meetings, where their priorities are at. Because if someone's buying transmitters, if someone's buying specific drone tech that allows you to obey a lot of the
Starting point is 00:22:32 laws, rules, and regulations, especially with just how weaponized they have become in Ukraine, these set off certain red flags. These set off certain alarms that especially if someone is troubled, if someone is a loner, if someone is being bullied automatically, if you're the national security state, you should you should have a certain algorithm saying, yeah, the likelihood of this guy, especially with his mental health issues, maybe he was even on SSRIs. You could even check the prescription data on that automatically. Top of the list.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Let's just let's just keep an eye on him. But they don't do that. They do a dragnet surveillance state that, of course, spies on your private wiener pictures. Remember, schools have software in place that does this. That's how they caught the kid in Wisconsin, based on his search history. And then it set off all red flags. He ended up having a manifesto and all this kind of stuff. And like you said, if you buy certain things from Amazon, they may be innocuous, but you combine them.
Starting point is 00:23:27 There is a notice that gets sent out. I mean, look at all the times they've basically set up honeypots for those guys that are buying those credit card things, those, you know, punch out things. And then all of a sudden, everyone gets arrested. They're watching all that stuff. Let's play Occam's razor, right? In the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct. What if I were to say that a 20-year-old kid who donated Democrat, was a registered Republican, had a grudge against Donald Trump, bypassed a secret service, local law enforcement, flew a drone, had explosives and remote detonators, and was able to successfully get off a few shots against President Trump, striking him in the ear. There are so many holes in that statement.
Starting point is 00:24:07 In order to get to that point, you have to ask a million and one questions. You know, to be literal, you need to ask a question for every single instance. And each of those questions asks another 10. We start with how did he bring a range finder and use it at a presidential rally spotted by law enforcement without any questioning? OK, we'll start there. Law enforcement made all of all of them, every single one who saw him because it was more than made a mistake. OK, next up, an hour later, he was spotted again using utilizing this range finder. He had I mean, he flew a drone.
Starting point is 00:24:52 All of the Secret Service and local law enforcement forgot their policy on drone usage at presidential events at that moment. Instantly, they had amnesia. I'm sorry, there's too many questions that can't be answered. The simple solution no longer becomes a crazed 20-year-old with a custom drone with GPS spoofing to bypass FAA restrictions. Or the FAA didn't put up a no-fly zone. He was able to fly this hours in advance. He had explosives and remote triggers. Secret Service didn't secure the building, didn't put up a block to break line of sight.
Starting point is 00:25:16 The police encountered him numerous times and let him go. The simple solution right now is law enforcement was aware of his presence and allowed him to do it. That makes the least amount of assumptions in this regard. And then when you ask what the technology he utilized to get there, it's almost like, I'm sorry, if you're going to ask how a 20-year-old had a drone that could bypass these fly restrictions or how he had explosive, the remote triggers, there's too many assumptions to be made there. The simple solution is they were given to him. Yeah. Blake, I wonder, since you were there at the rally, if you can tell us what police law enforcement presence looked like that day.
Starting point is 00:25:49 I mean, was it, you know, you've been to a lot of rallies. Was it the same as usual? Did it seem less? I mean, what's the insider's take? From what I saw, it all seemed pretty much according to all the other rallies I've been. So I went to actually bypass the turnoff a little bit, went through, tried to get in the early, the easiest way that was blocked off. And so I had to backtrack a little bit and it was tough to get to the parking, because this was at a small airfield adjacent to it. And I did notice a few buildings like hangers and stuff like that, but I didn't, you know, I didn't feel like it was unsafe. When you went through the scanning, the magnetometers at the beginning, the only thing that was different is that the Secret Service was doing all of the
Starting point is 00:26:38 searching. Now, normally at these rallies is that the TSA will do the initial screening of your bag and then the Secret Service will man the magnetometers and then do the wanding. But at this one, the Secret Service was also doing the searching of the bag. And I thought it was better because they actually searched my boots, which I've never had done at at a rally before. So in my mind, the initial screening getting into the venue was even better than ever. It was more thorough. Absolutely. Yeah. mind the initial screening getting into the venue was even better than ever it's more thorough absolutely yeah so um and i don't know if that was just a change but then when i flew out of pittsburgh the next day two and a half hour wait at the tsa screening so pittsburgh airport closest
Starting point is 00:27:17 one where you'd have a lot of tsa agents i think they've got something going on there that might be why there were no tsa agents at this rally. I have no real reason for that. So then once I'm in the venue and I got there, you know, as soon as they opened it up to the public, everything that I saw was basically according to plan. I didn't see anything that was really deficient compared to other rallies. Not at all. It's interesting. It is interesting to me that you're saying Secret Service was doing a job they don't normally do. You know, again, I would have a similar instinct to you. This makes it safer. This means it's more thorough. I'm also thinking about, you know, so Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has now been granted Secret Service protection, but we're within that
Starting point is 00:27:59 120 day window where every major political candidate is supposed to have Secret Service protection. Now, of course, it's unusual because we have President Trump who already had it and Biden, who is, of course, already protected by the Secret Service. But in some ways, I wonder if it could have I think if I were in your position, I would have written it off as like, oh, we're just getting closer to the election. They're just being more cautious. Yeah, it was just something I noticed and I didn't assign any reason to it. But like, honestly, you know, they checked to make sure there was nothing in my books. That's never happened. Was there anything off? Was there anything else strange about that event or that day too? Nothing at all. Wow. Nothing at all. I mean,
Starting point is 00:28:32 and I, and this is a standard type of setup that they've had for outdoor rallies. So even the setup was very similar. You've got the standard stage, the, the, the ramp goes up to it's either on the left or right. It's never straight to the bleach bleachers you've got the bleachers in the back which is the backdrop where all the people that you see when you're looking at those standard you know media television feeds that are shooting directly at the president showing people in the background then you had the flanking bleachers on either side with the jumbotrons above it so uh maybe for an outdoor rally to have the two jumbotrons they were both pretty large so it seemed like maybe for an outdoor rally to have the two Jumbotrons, they were both pretty large, so it seemed like maybe that was a little bit different.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Sometimes they only have one. But they were putting up the illegal immigration chart. Right, exactly. Maybe it was just a different speech. Correct. Also, what you're saying means, I'm just thinking, the Secret Service would have searched Crooks' bag. Crooks was not inside the venue. He wasn't inside, okay. Crooks is outside the venue, so this is something
Starting point is 00:29:23 that came from completely outside the venue. He was not inside. It never made sense to me, okay. Crooks is outside the venue. So this is something that came from completely outside the venue. He was not inside. It never made sense to me. Wait, wait, wait. He did get searched. They found the range finder and reported it. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he had it in the rally.
Starting point is 00:29:33 They called him a suspicious individual. And the Secret Service called him over and said, we got to keep an eye on him. He could have gone in, gone back out. I mean, we don't totally know what his path was around. Because, you know, in reality, I don't really understand why the second they were like, this guy seems to be raising red flags, they didn't have a plainclothes officer following him.
Starting point is 00:29:52 I mean, if they did, that person clearly got lost. I wasn't aware that he was searched. So you see he was searched because honestly, they found it and let him in with it. Why would he go into the venue? He wasn't in the venue.
Starting point is 00:30:06 He wasn't in the secured perimeter of the inner venue. He was. He was in the secure venue. And he locked eyes with the snipers. And then he left the secure area. And that's when the security service lost control. Why would you even need a range finder? Why wouldn't you just pull up Google Earth and do it that way?
Starting point is 00:30:23 I mean, does he really need to have a range accurate to 10 yards for anything? He's reporting for himself. You don't need that. If they knew he was going to be there, if they knew he was going to be there, law enforcement knew he was going to be there, and law enforcement was helping him do this, then
Starting point is 00:30:39 they'd give him the best tools possible to do whatever it is he was going to do. Why wouldn't they just tell him what the range was? I suppose if they said, we're going to put a mark on the roof and you can utilize that mark, here's what your range is going to be. Maybe. Maybe he didn't know for sure what spot he was going to be from. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:58 He didn't know exactly where on the roof he would be. I have no idea. All I know is the idea that a 20-year flew a drone hours in advance was notified, was spotted by law enforcement numerous times, was identified as a threat by Secret Service. They still allowed Trump to come out that the Secret Service didn't secure the building, that Secret Service then lied and said that law enforcement was supposed to do it. Law enforcement then denied that Secret Service says, well, it's because the roof was sloped. Makes no sense. Multiple local police and Secret Service were aware of him. He was a threat and they allowed Trump to go out on stage. None of it makes sense. There's only one explanation. They knew. And I mean, let's just as simple as possible. They stood down. That's it. They stood down.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Somebody said, leave this kid alone. Perhaps let him operate because you would think if anyone, first of all, it's bananas to me that you'd see. Oh, right. They made you check your boots. I was going to ask, did your boots set off the alarm? No, I didn't. Because they didn't make us check shoes here. No. Yeah. back on that a little bit in aviation accidents there's a theory called the swiss cheese theory of how accidents happen and it's when a number of different factors need to align to allow something to occur basically there's built-in safety factors but if something happens here that allows something to happen here and they all line up perfectly then a tragedy can happen at this point. I feel that's what we're looking at now. So I think, I think we're looking at humans are fallible. Mistakes were made.
Starting point is 00:32:31 And in addition, I believe there, there could be structural failures in the way that messages to the police get to, to the secret services. There are a delay there because I understand that the secret service is going to have its own internal comms, and they're not going to share that with local police.
Starting point is 00:32:50 So they've got to have somebody in the middle, a man in the middle, who takes the local police reports and gives it out to the Secret Service. What is the delay of that process? Maybe that delay is too long. Secret Service knew 10 minutes before Trump went out, there was a threat identified. The normal procedure is to keep Trump in the holding room, which is what they have. And this is Dan Bongino, who works at Secret Service knew 10 minutes before Trump went out, there was a threat identified. The normal procedure is to keep Trump in the holding room, which is what they have. And this is Dan Bongino, who worked Secret Service. This is his assessment.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Two minutes before shots were fired, people were screaming, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. And they knew. But those were people outside the venue. No, the sniper team was looking directly at him and allowed him to take the shots. Yes, they were allowed him to take the shots against the president. Not one of them said, get Trump off the stage. That's it. Single sentence. They allowed him to go back up.
Starting point is 00:33:29 There's no simple solution there. You can't have wishful thinking here. You can't give the government the benefit of the doubt. I did see a report that there was originally supposed to be snipers from the local police on that roof. And they've denied that and said that was a lie and that local police was only for traffic control.
Starting point is 00:33:47 And when has the Secret Service ever given up the principal vantage point to non-secret service? When the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago and they had in their documents that use of lethal force was authorized and a contingency plan, the explanation was that Secret Service, the conflict there was Secret Service controls
Starting point is 00:34:07 firearms in most areas when they're present, restricting other law enforcement agencies from brandishing arms, because if a shot is fired, they need to know who it was coming from, and they need that communication specifically within their branch or their division. In this instance, the idea then that Secret Service would say, there's a roof with direct line of sight to the president. What's normal protocol? Again, this is Dan Bongino, not me. Bongino says, if you can't secure the location, you break line of sight. He went on to explain how in one instance, they had a vantage point they couldn't secure. So he said, buy fake snow and spray out the windows. That will turn any shot fired from this location into a random shot.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Still bad, but better than a direct line of sight. In this instance, Secret Service did not secure a building. And if you look at the security perimeter, people are making the joke they call it the security Pac-Man perimeter, because it cuts out this one building, which makes no sense. So the police's own staging area,
Starting point is 00:35:02 that's where they were staging, they encounter a guy numerous hours in advance. So I'm sorry, if you expect to believe that three hours in advance he was flying a drone, he was spotted by law enforcement with a range finder. He was identified as suspicious an hour in advance. 26 minutes prior, he was identified by local law enforcement and and uh uh secret service 10 minutes before and they upgraded him to a threat still allowed him to come out two minutes before the shot was fired two minutes in one second people are screaming he's
Starting point is 00:35:37 got a gun at cops he's on the roof he's got a gun at how in what reality they never broke line of sight they did not secure the rooftop they claimed local how could you argue that all of these things are accidents that's that's what the whole swiss cheese theory is about a series a series of unrelated low probability events that somehow align to allow something to happen now i'm not saying that it can't be... When you hear hooves, you don't think zebras, you think horses. Yeah, what I'm saying is, I'm not saying it can't be that.
Starting point is 00:36:12 I'm just saying, to me, at this point, the most likely explanation is human failure. And that is called, you're hearing hooves and you're calling zebras. Well, hopefully the comms will get out. Hopefully we'll get the freedom of information act. Do you think they'll release their comms? Cause I would like to hear that. Let's add, let's,
Starting point is 00:36:31 I don't think, I don't think they'll release the secret service comms because remember the secret service, they're not going to give us anything in a investigation. That's going to compromise the way that they do their protection. And I don't think that they should. So we have to realize beforehand that We're not gonna get all the facts
Starting point is 00:36:48 We're only gonna get the facts that don't expose the methods that they use but do you trust the government to investigate itself? I Don't trust the government to investigate itself, but not not not not all aspects of it But at the same time I recognize that there's just no realistic way that I can expect that we're going to get all. I just hope we get them sooner than 75 years. Let's let's let's let's make sure we include the contemporary context outside of the event in the political landscape. And that is why did Tucker Carlson? I know we can say Alex Jones predicted an assassination attempt, but a lot of people don't don't like Alex Jones. No, no, Tucker Carlson. A lot of people don't like him, but he's in a different area. Why did both of these men predict there would be an assassination attempt on Donald Trump? Well, it's because all of the things that have been lining up politically, attempts to put
Starting point is 00:37:34 him in prison were failing, attempts to destroy his businesses were failing. And what did we see just before on July 13th? Well, unfortunately, for Trump's political enemies who create, who use fake laws and fake statutes that don't exist in any codified statute to try and put him in prison. This is, this is one of the first times there's been a few times in U S history. I would say at the federal level probably happens a lot of the local level because of corruption where a government has declared a person guilty of a crime without due process. It happens, let me rephrase this, at a high level. I'm sure it happens at the local level all the time. Someone gets thrown in jail for no reason.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Donald Trump was convicted of a crime that was beyond the statute of limitations because the court told the jury Trump was guilty of another crime which he's never been tried for. And they didn't specify what it was. And if you agree that there was a crime, even though you don't have to agree on which crime,
Starting point is 00:38:25 then he's guilty of this crime beyond a statute of limitations. This was an attempt to put Trump in prison on July 11th. Everybody expected something big to come with the Supreme Court immunity ruling. Most analysts said they're going to rule. He does have immunity on official for official duties. And the question of January 6th will be kicked back to the lower courts. It has not been answered. What no one expected, however, was that Roberts and the and the and the justices who ruled in Trump's favor also added official acts cannot be used as evidence of wrongdoing as well.
Starting point is 00:38:57 That caught everybody off guard. All of a sudden, Trump's team files an immediate appeal on the hush money case, saying the evidence they used took place during Trump's presidency and contains his official duties. The sentencing is postponed. They're going to win that one. Donald Trump was supposed to be sentenced on July 11th, two days before the assassination attempt. Because of a surprise in the Supreme Court ruling, he was now free to attend the RNC and name his VP pick. Two days before, the stars aligned in every imaginable way, nailing Tucker Carlson's prediction. Now, if you want to play this game where it's like Tucker Carlson is a madman who for no reason was screaming into the wind that someone was going to
Starting point is 00:39:37 try and take the life of Donald Trump. Sure. The reality is Tucker Carlson analyzing the political landscape, understanding history, understanding the motives, the motivations, as well as the actions, they've made to destroy the life of Donald Trump and his family was all it all stopped that day. And it was just it just happens to be that a random 20 year old walked through a piece of Swiss cheese and every a loaf of Swiss cheese and every imaginable hole to get on a rooftop unsecured that the Secret Service lied about flying a drone. Dude, there's look, Occam's razor, the simple solution. They have waged every possible attack against Donald Trump. And by they, I mean powerful corporate interests or special interests. I don't know exactly who. But there have been political interests trying to destroy the life of Donald Trump. We all suggested they would never stop.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I completely agree with that. You're 100% correct. How could all of that lead up to this point and then go, lucky 20-year- old who was crazy? It is fascinating that, you know, I don't think anyone really believes the idea that Thomas Crooks acted alone. It just seems like this is something that was more complicated than his skills that we know about right now seem to indicate. But either it was, you know, if you if you believe this was a larger conspiracy, it's either conducted within the federal government or it's conducted by, you know, I would argue the alternative would be progressive groups in the country that are trying to or who are incited to fear, I would argue, by President Biden's rhetoric because he constantly references political violence. This was sort of his prediction forever.
Starting point is 00:41:19 I mean, what's really fascinating and you were kind of alluding to this, too, is like we actually can't pull Secret Service like it is this one organization that has to just continue on. I mean, even every moment after Trump was continuing to be protected by the Secret Service, we talked about the fact that Director Cheadle was at the RNC. And in large part, that's because this is like a huge event that a lot of her agency is staffing. And in a different year at a different time, we probably wouldn't have even known she was there. I think a lot of people wouldn't even know her name. But now we have to ask ourselves, is this the agency that is responsible? Is it human failure? Is there a conspiracy? Is this a progressive group that somehow has influence? I think that's the biggest issue here, which is that the American people don't know. And they are just trusting that eventually it'll get resolved when really we see this happen all
Starting point is 00:42:03 the time. We don't get answers and it gets shoved under the rug. Now, the problem for the Biden administration is that it's looking very likely that Trump is going to be elected. And I don't think anyone, once Trump is in the White House, is going to let this investigation fall by the wayside. He's going to, yeah, he's going to unseal everything. Could you imagine? I mean, it's not even like his buddy. It's him. Like they took a shot at him.
Starting point is 00:42:26 If I were him, I'm obviously, like, I would spend all four years trying to get to the bottom of it. It would be like a running thing the entire time while I'm there. It would be the number one most important thing. Like, so, I don't know. Tucker made a great point. He said this may be one of the crimes that actually is solved because of all of the I'm adding this all of the egocentric individuals in Congress who think they will be president. If there is no answer to this, it may be them one day at a podium with a bullet whizzing past their head. The JFK assassination was a big message to all the Americans that were paying attention to what's really going on here.
Starting point is 00:43:01 To Tim's point, the character assassination didn't work. The legal lawfare didn't work. So what makes you think when they took so many extraordinary measures to stop Donald Trump that they wouldn't take the ultimate step and try to take his life? That's my question to you guys. They're prosecuting currently right now Trump's lawyers.
Starting point is 00:43:19 They haven't stopped. You know, Jenna Ellis lost her mind crying on camera apologizing for the work she did as a lawyer. And my understanding, I could be wrong about this, but isn't she getting prosecuted again in Wisconsin? Is it Wisconsin or is it Arizona? I think it's Wisconsin. Wisconsin was the new one where the state said we're bringing new charges. And so I'll pull this one up in a second to make sure I'm getting it right.
Starting point is 00:43:40 John Eastman lost his license for, you know, just giving legal counsel to the president. It's crazy. It's also interesting to me that Josh Hawley, I think, is the one who said we've had whistleblowers come forward from the Secret Service, from DHS, talking about the staffing issue. So to your human failure, I think there are a lot of factors at play. And I think human error is one of them. Because I think that the agents who protect Donald Trump are pretty devoted to him it seems like let's talk let's just talk about something practical how tall is Donald Trump six three what use is a five four secret service agent in protecting Donald Trump and I'm not saying you know I'm just yeah maybe that's not the right
Starting point is 00:44:20 person to have to screen out view of the president. I mean, she was wide. Lucas. I see what you're saying there, but yeah. But no, listen, that one just to be fair too, she was technically not on his Secret Service detail if we're talking about the same woman. She apparently just, the one that's getting crushed
Starting point is 00:44:40 right now in the media. Right, for not being able to holster the weapon. She was not, there was a woman though, there was one, yeah. There was a woman, though. There was another woman. There was one agent. And I want to say this, all right? Women can be tall. From my standpoint, 10 yards away,
Starting point is 00:44:53 when I looked at the podium after the first set of shots rang out, all the Secret Service members that I saw I thought were acting as quickly as possible without any regard for their safety, doing exactly what they were trained to do. Now, can you expect perfection in that moment, even though they drill for it constantly? No, but those guys were on it. They were, you know, you can see from the video, I don't think there's anything deficient in any of the behavior.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Except for the fact that they knew there was a threat identified and they let Trump leave the holding area? I am talking, I am talking. They let Trump on stage. They let Trump, during an active situation, address the crowd and stand up during an active shooter. How did the shot get off? So, Tim, what I'm saying is the Secret Service agents that I saw who are right in the box there, right by the stage, those are the people I saw in the, who are right in the box there, right in, right by the stage. Those are the people I saw. I can't believe that they are all, someone's telling them what to do. They're not responsible for threat assessment. And I'm not a secret service agent and I don't know, but I could,
Starting point is 00:45:58 my assumption is that their primary responsibility is protecting the president or their protectee in the case of an attack and scanning the crowd because okay so when so when the sniper when the four sniper teams that were on the roof spotted the guy with the gun before a shot was fired why didn't they say secure the president but that but that is not the people that i saw i'm sure i get that but that doesn't mean anything well this is why i just wanted i just want to say the people that i saw i i felt they acted as quickly as they could. And they did not. The people who are on the stage around the president, they were not deficient.
Starting point is 00:46:30 I did not see. They were absolutely deficient. Absolutely. Unquestionably, they couldn't even cover Trump's body because the women were too small. And that's not even an indictment of their abilities. They assigned to Donald Trump individual human beings who are not large enough to provide him body cover. So again. But they did try that person.
Starting point is 00:46:46 I mean, they were deficient. Yes. Well, that is poor planning. I, and I did allude to that. The other part is the sniper teams,
Starting point is 00:46:52 right? So like we have the agents who are on the ground, Lauren Bowers said, you know, the women there, or at least one of them wasn't originally signed to this. I know Eric Trump has said he has worked with her, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:00 and I think you're right. Like people who rushed the stage and who put themselves in the line of fire, like that is commendable. And I do believe that those agents probably don't have the same information that someone who is like supposed to be analyzing the crowd does. But with the sniper teams, I guess this all comes down for me. Like what is the structure of the Secret Service? Because there is Trump's detail that, you know, goes everywhere with him. And then there are extra forces that are sent in to different events based on where they are, right? So the sniper trains,
Starting point is 00:47:27 I assume they don't necessarily all go to the same rallies. I assume that there are different people who are assigned at different times. The communication breakdown within the Secret Service seems to be one of the big things that we'll probably never know about.
Starting point is 00:47:39 And I can understand why the Secret Service will claim, like, well, we can't tell you what we do. We can't tell you our protocols because we're currently protecting people. And correction, Wisconsin did not charge Jenna Ellis. It's Jim Troupis and Kenneth Chaseborough who were charged June 4th with forgery. So even if you plead, these people were pleading guilty in other states.
Starting point is 00:48:00 They're not going to stop coming out. You plead guilty. Now every state's going to open the door, open up you we're at we're at a point in american history call it whatever you want where if you're a lawyer who is providing your legal services which is which is an individual's constitutional right you are now a criminal we are looking at i mean the documents case got thrown out because they improperly appointed a private citizen to go after donald trump they didn't have authority to do that. The sexual assault charges against Donald Trump could only have been brought after a special law was passed to reopen 30-year-old statute of limitations. The civil fraud charge had a victim
Starting point is 00:48:34 who claimed not only were they not victims, Donald Trump never defrauded them and they wished to do business with him in the future. They still convicted Trump, found him liable, I should say, not convicted. And then you have the hush money case where it was a misdemeanor beyond its statute of limitations that they upgraded to a felony claiming that Trump committed a secondary crime, but they never through due process proved that Donald Trump committed any secondary crime, yet they still convicted him of it. All of these things are dramatically unprecedented. I totally agree with you on
Starting point is 00:49:05 all of that. And then you think after Trump beat them all, they said, that's it, guys. Trump has one time to pack it in. And then after all of that, a 20 year old who hated Donald Trump got lucky walking through this Swiss cheese of failures to take a shot at the president. That is what I think. Yes. I can get you a good deal on the Brooklyn Bridge if you're interested. I'm just telling, to me, that's the... So why'd they stop? Why did they stop after everything? I mean, you've got feds on record saying... I don't think they've stopped.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Right, but Briggs would think so. You've got feds on record saying they're going to flee the country if Trump wins. So these people in federal... Let me ask you a few questions. I asked this a couple nights ago. First, I'll start. Do you think Trump derangement syndrome is real? Yes, I do. Do you think... In some individuals, yes. Certainly, certainly. It exists and some people have it. Do you think that some of these people... Some of those people are on MSNBC too. Do you
Starting point is 00:49:58 think some of these people want Trump to die? Absolutely. Is it possible that any of these people have jobs in federal government? Statistically, yes. So the probability actually is fairly strong, especially considering we know that federal law enforcement agents have already given statements to the press is terrified to the point where they would assist in some kind of action against Donald Trump in this regard, especially considering they raided his home. I mean, these unprecedented things. Again, statistically, yes. And more statistically, yes, than a 20-year-old bypassed all of the security for hours and flew a drone of the president. My feeling remains that it would take more than one person to create all of the openings that happened at the rally. Why? Well, you'd have to have the staffing issues. I'm just not.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Again. How many law enforcement identified this? So here I am. I'm talking about my assessment. So I have a question. And I just want to be clear that I have no background in this, but I would assume that there isn't one person in charge of assigning the police, of reporting the calls from the police
Starting point is 00:51:11 to the Secret Service Department. You said it would take more than one person. I'm assuming there's not one point of failure, so there have to be multiple points of failure. How many police officers identified the suspect as a threat before the shots were fired? I don't know. I think right now with the reporting of it's four or five.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Is that more than one person? But they acted upon it. No, they didn't. They act upon it in the minimum fashion of saying, hey, there's a weird guy and then doing nothing. Not one Secret Service agent who had four teams. It's been reported four sniper teams for the Secret Service saw the guy. Not one of them said, pull Trump. That's multiple people who are standing by and doing nothing. By all means, if you want to make the argument that law enforcement are a bunch of drones who can't take any actions without a central authority figure, then the argument would be,
Starting point is 00:51:58 why was there no central command to instruct upon learning that there was a threat. More importantly, 10 minutes before Trump got on stage, Secret Service has a holding zone for him. Why, knowing Secret Service reported a threat, did they allow him to walk out? More than one Secret Service agent would have had to understood what was going on. It's possible that there's one. And when you ask me the question about is it possible there's somebody in the government who has those feelings, who would act upon them? And I say yes, but I believe there's more. I in the government who has those feelings who would act upon them and i say yes but i i believe there's more i would believe that there has to be more than one person so when you're talking about low probabilities times two times three people you end up with an even lower possibility but i think you're wrong but i that you're saying
Starting point is 00:52:39 it's a swiss cheese of all of these lucky instances that happened by chance that allowed him to get through i think that's exponential failure. That makes no sense. I think that instead of government is absolutely capable of exponential failure. And this is why I cite Occam's razor. You're deciding that it's more likely that someone would win the lottery than they would find a $5 bill on the ground. I'd make the argument that it's more likely you find the $5 bill on the ground because it happens every day, probably tens of thousands of times a day in this country. Whereas we go weeks or months or half a year without anyone winning the lottery. It's more likely to find the $5 bill in Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:53:13 That's true too. In this regard, I say simple solution, the one that makes the least amount of assumptions, is that I am not going to speculate that this kid won the lottery that day. I'm going to say, we know for a fact he flew a drone over a rally, which is insane. That right off the bat has my head spinning. Because I've done work with drones. I have consulted the government.
Starting point is 00:53:40 I don't understand. We have Ukrainians using drones to drop bombs on Russians. How could someone launch a drone at a Trump rally without them being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, and freaking out? It's insane to me. And so if you want to make the argument, when the news first broke, we were like, how could this have happened? And it was there was an unguarded rooftop. Now we're like, how is that roof unguarded? But we're well past that. Now we're at, they identified the shooter well in advance. They saw him with a range finder, highly suspect. They upgraded him to a threat, still allowed Trump on stage. Two minutes before, they identified him with a rifle on a rooftop, law enforcement did,
Starting point is 00:54:16 and not a single person did anything to protect the president. I'm sorry, you'd have to think the moon was made of cheese to believe those were accidents. I don't know. I've seen TSA work. They're pretty incompetent. I'm kind of with'd have to think the moon was made of cheese to believe those were accidents. I don't know. I've seen TSA work. They're pretty incompetent. I'm kind of with you on the government is not great. And what Viva called this fractal wrongness, you are once again making the argument that the highly improbable lottery winning happened instead of individuals let it happen.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I'm actually not making it. What I think the problem is, like, we're all going to speculate all day long and we're all going to want to know. But the reality is like, we have very little information. The information about the drone is coming from the Wall Street Journal. Nothing is actually coming from the government
Starting point is 00:54:55 and nothing is coming from, you know, in a consistent rate. This is a very strange situation. I'm open to all kinds of possibilities. There's no official story, but you don't give the government, you don't give the government the benefit of the doubt. No, no, of possibilities. There's no official story. But you don't give the government the benefit of the doubt. But there's no official story.
Starting point is 00:55:09 Antifa the benefit of the doubt. There's so many things at play. There is no official law enforcement story. Let's do a hypothetical here. One of the root problems is that nobody is going to trust any set of facts. Hypothetically, if we found out everything that actually happened
Starting point is 00:55:25 and it was the 100% incontrovertible truth and could be presented to the public, wide segments of the public would still disbelieve it because of their lack of trust in government.
Starting point is 00:55:37 So even with all the facts being actually correct, they will be... I'm just saying, a hypothetical. But what... A hypothetical.
Starting point is 00:55:44 The government doesn't have anything to do with the set of facts. So what I'm just saying a hypothetical. The government doesn't have anything to do with the set of facts. So what I'm saying is, if you've got, if the facts involve the government, there will be people, it doesn't matter what they are, if you told them exactly what happened, there would be people who disbelieve it. So the issue at hand is, what are the source of the facts and what is the evidence to back up those those statements? And people will still disbelieve it, even given the evidence and still coming from the government. Yeah, no, but I got to pause right there.
Starting point is 00:56:14 The government as a source of information is is is immaterial to what we're talking about. We don't just say the government said it. Therefore, it's true. But that's hard, though, right? Because, like, I mean, I don't know who the Wall Street Journal is citing, right? And I trust the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times more than I trust the government. But what if they're citing someone from the government? Like this is like how deep the low trust society can go. We don't know where our information is coming from. We don't know, you know, if it's a local law enforcement, we know that they have
Starting point is 00:56:37 pushed back against the Secret Service. Like, I think you're right. This, this, one of the biggest challenges we have in America is how low trust we are. And this situation is only exacerbating law enforcement. Law enforcement is the one who is the source for The Wall Street Journal that they allowed this to happen. But you remember like Cheadle threw local law enforcement under the bus. And I I have a little bit more sympathy for the local law enforcement who the federal government is trying to be like, you guys are in charge of that thing. And it's not our fault when they're like, no, no, we're not in charge of this. There's so much conflicting information one more one more point on this because we are we're gonna segue into a the same story but with an update or in a similar similar vein i want to stress we do not
Starting point is 00:57:13 have an official assessment yet within days of 9-11 on that day on that on 9-11 they they said it was on some of bin laden they knew they're saying it on the news on the news right away we had an official story as to what happened and how it happened. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying this seems to be the tendency for big stories. We get information. We are now going on a week with no official story. They've not told us how it happened, the motivation, where the kid came from, how we got the weapons, how we got the explosives. There is no official story. The public is left to just make guesses. Yeah, it's crazy. It's been nearly seven days. Don't they know where he got the rifle? I mean, his dad. Right. So they know that. But there's no official narrative like at this. So I'll put it this way. They've not come out with a kid who was radicalized in the mountains of Afghanistan, went to an airport, walked onto the plane using box cutters, told the passengers, here's what we're going to do, and then flew the plane. They're
Starting point is 00:58:09 saying, I mean, we just found out he flew a drone. It's a week on and now they're reporting he also flew a drone. We're getting bits and pieces. We don't know when he showed up. We don't know how long he was there. We don't know. There's no official through line from the government and law enforcement to say at 1143 p.m. he arrived in a Toyota Corolla and parked in the East parking lot. Upon none of that, we have no official story yet. It's strange. It doesn't mean much. But all we have then is the public to collect the bits and pieces of information that's coming out and ask questions about how this could be possible. But I want to jump to the story. Daily Mail reports MSNBC host Joy Reid should be fired for her Trump assassination conspiracy theory, Furious American Say. I don't
Starting point is 00:58:55 know if she should be fired. I think MSNBC should be sued for $3 trillion or GDP of France. And the family of Corey Comprator, Donald Trump, and the other two victims should be entitled to $3 trillion, which of course may be unreasonable. So we can settle with $1.5 billion from MSNBC and Joy Reid personally. I mean, that's the precedent, right?
Starting point is 00:59:15 I mean, that's... I would love to see that. I would love to see that. And I feel like Joy Reid has less hair every time I see her. Now she's just given up and shaved it. But the...
Starting point is 00:59:27 No, she's got hair there. It's just hard to see Oh it's blown out the lighting Okay well the um Black Superman shirt too Um anyway uh yeah she's Growing increasingly unhinged She's one of those people that Tim mentioned earlier is definitely bummed He missed like
Starting point is 00:59:43 She is like yeah she's like at home crying like upset thinking that her dream like and then she's going and making these unhinged videos she's saying he wasn't even shot implying that conspiracy theory that trump yeah saying it was a hoax you know that clip we watched earlier in the week where she was saying for some reason he was allowed to stay on stage and take that photo like she just hates this moment part of it is they they really hate donald trump and anything that can possibly be good for him you know surviving an assassination attempt rallying a crowd in support having an iconic photo like they just can't stand it having having a competent 15 year old granddaughter who's able to express herself they went after her on the stage exactly so i
Starting point is 01:00:23 mean that was sick you're right They can't handle anything good about this man. They always have to demonize him. That girl's going to be a big star one day too. You just tell. She's going to be great. Well, I thought that the RNC, you know, first day aside, I thought the RNC was actually a big testament to family. I thought we saw that with the Trumps and the
Starting point is 01:00:39 Vances and a couple different people, you know, had, I can't remember her name, but the mom who came up and talked about her son who died of a fentanyl overdose. I mean, there was, there was a really strong remembrance of how sacred and how important the family is throughout this. And it makes me think in contrast of, you know, so many, you know, liberal progressive icons who are sort of like alone, childless, they hate when other people are happy. And in some ways I feel like Joy Reid, you know, I don't watch a lot of her content. I watch
Starting point is 01:01:07 MSNBC's stuff regularly. You love her. I do watch MSNBC's regularly. See, you flipped. You gotta get your content somewhere. Yeah, and with Joy Reid, everyone around her probably cheers her on when she says something more and more extreme about Donald Trump. But this person is influential.
Starting point is 01:01:23 You just said that she hates Donald Trump. There's people within the government that listen to her, that essentially are preached to her, believe what she believes in. The government has been pretty ruthless against Donald Trump. And I kind of want to bring this back. What makes you think that they somehow will stop at a certain level in order to, of course, not try to stop Donald Trump. What do you think is the barrier that's holding them back from committing this ultimate action that they've been kind of leading up to themselves? Like, what's the barrier there that's making you believe that at this time, they stopped being ruthless, they stopped being evil,
Starting point is 01:02:01 at this time, they stopped making these aggressive steps against donald trump well my personal belief would be like if i thought that that was going to be happening there's no point in going on in like orderly discourse within society you've got to make some assumptions and one of the fundamental assumptions you've got to make is that there is still still rule of law by and large in america and even even though president trump i believe has been charged unfairly how many times has he been indicted i and i said that right there even though he's been you know charged unfairly that's that's from a different aspect i mean you can do all your scheming and all your things about we're going to pass this legislation we're going to pass this we're going to go out on the law fair try to keep him off the ballot right exactly but when you go into like the realm of we're going to pass this we're going to go out on the law fair try to keep them off the ballot right exactly but when you go into like the realm of we're going to do physical acts
Starting point is 01:02:48 of overt violence that's a whole nother level because it's no way is it even defensible from a legal standpoint you can't do that and get away with it so you've got to at least believe that that much of america is left and fighting for, because if you don't, you're already living in anarchy. Do you remember what happened during Black Lives Matter? We are in an anarcho-tyranny, 100%. Well, what about the Summer of Love? What about all the people that died? Three dozen people died during the Black Lives Matter protests that were engineered by the corporate media. They take lives very easily. They're taking lives in Ukraine right now. They took lives in Iraq.
Starting point is 01:03:27 They took lives in Syria. They took lives in Libya. They openly do take lives very easily. Luke, if you're talking about the ability of corporate media, by and large, to set a narrative by framing certain things in a certain way to demonize people, I 100% agree with you. But I don't think that that means that is not the same as taking direct action. That's priming the pump and hoping somebody pops off. That's not the same as planning. The FBI has admitted that on tape, like James O'Keefe got him to bit. They basically admit like, oh, sometimes we make a little social media post and we give him a little bump is what uh that guy happily told whoever was trying to hook up with that night i think it's uh
Starting point is 01:04:10 it's a tough spot like i i i don't i don't want you to be like the guy who's here to like officially fight against that you know i think that like uh i i think it's respectable to stay away from taking the black pill because it the alternative is really sad um i i still believe now like even i'm trying to like trying to be like i really wish like it's i really want more information i really want like i do believe that there is a chance even if it's super small that that the Swiss cheese theory is true. But we don't... It ignores contemporary context around the actions they've taken against Donald Trump already. True, but.00001 is still a chance. And then if it's.01 in the other direction, then why settle for the more extreme and unlikely scenario?
Starting point is 01:05:01 In my estimation, I flip those odds. I think the conspiracy theory is the.00001 and the Swiss cheese is the.01. I think that that's more logical to me. You think it's more likely
Starting point is 01:05:18 We're looking at different sides of the same razor. You think it's more likely that Secret Service identified a guy three hours prior. They, he was flying a drone around.
Starting point is 01:05:29 That's law enforcement reporting. That he was identified suspicious with a range finder. He was spotted 26 minutes, an hour, three hours before, an hour before, 26 minutes before,
Starting point is 01:05:37 10 minutes before he was upgraded to a threat. Not one law enforcement thought to hold Trump unprecedented. They have a holding zone for this. So let's talk about, let's count the amount of, uh, coincidences. Let's do, uh,
Starting point is 01:05:48 they identified him and said nothing. One, three hours. He flew a drone. They said nothing. Now that one's crazy. An hour out, nothing. 26 minutes out, nothing. When did they discover that he flew the drone? I don't know. Well, if they didn't discover it until afterwards, you can't put that into the equation. Okay. so let's change it. Let's change the equation. A drone was flown over a rally and law enforcement didn't notice. How about that one? I mean, I think the reality is...
Starting point is 01:06:13 How did that happen? It doesn't actually matter if you guys agree, though. Don Jr. just tweeted. He was blocked by Secret Service for flying a drone at his own house in Mar-a-Lago because his dad was there. And it's Don Jr. trying to fly a drone. How did a strange kid do it? So let's just do that. You're right.
Starting point is 01:06:29 We don't know when they finally figured out he flew the drone. How is it that when Don Jr. tries to fly a drone on his own family's property, he can't do it? He's got a newer drone. He's got a new drone? Yeah, he's got a newer drone that has the blackout. No, no, he said Secret Service stopped him personally. He said Secret Service stopped him from flying a drone.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Right, because he's got the one with the blackout. I mean, on that drone expert, but he said yourself. No, no, he said Secret Service stopped him personally. He said Secret Service stopped him from flying a drone. Right, because he's got the one with the blackout. I'm not a drone expert, but you said yourself. No, no, no, no, no, he's saying an individual, he said the Secret Service stopped him from flying a drone. That means a person. Oh, so it wasn't a blackout then, okay. Right. So, let's just, okay, how is it that Don Jr. can't fly a drone at his own
Starting point is 01:06:59 property, but a gunman can fly a drone at a presidential rally? I don't know. I'm not going to speculate. And from the very beginning, I've said that I want to wait until all the details come out as much as possible. And I hope that they don't take 75 years to come out. And speculation before that is going to be operating on an incomplete set of facts, which is, of course, something that you can engage in. But I prefer to wait until the entire report is done, and knowing full well that when that report is completed and presented, that there will be many people who don't believe a word of it.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Then how do you come to the conclusion that the idea that all of these security failures was not a coincidence, how do you make an assessment on its probability? Because I believe the bulk of the people who protect the president are... You're speculating. And that's why I said I believe. I believe that the bulk of the people who protect the president are fundamentally good and are patriots, and that they will
Starting point is 01:07:56 discharge their duties to the highest ability of their capabilities. And so, I do not believe... So that's an emotional, that's emotional, not based on facts. So, that's a conspiracy theory but that's not based on any facts you're just saying I personally feel the way so I think I'm going to choose to think this thing
Starting point is 01:08:13 I don't think it's based on a conspiracy theory because I don't think it's based entirely on my feelings because I've got to believe that the secret service has some sort of Yeah, that's an emotional argument again Yes it is. You have to believe that's an emotional argument again. No. Yes, it is. You have to believe that.
Starting point is 01:08:27 It's an emotional argument. It's not based on fact. Can I finish the sentence? Sure. Okay. That they have some form of internal screening process that looks at the people, and much the way you have to have your top secret clearance renewed, they must have some sort of evaluation process that's looking at their agents.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Speculative. And if they don't, they should probably have one. Okay, so we don't know in that regard. So what's your assessment based on then? It's emotional. We don't know what their internal screening process is. That's not part of the equation. We don't know.
Starting point is 01:08:56 We do know that Dan Bongino, who is a good source, who was in the Secret Service, has already called out numerous like unprecedented errors in this. Errors. I can tell you this. Anomalies. We'll call them anomalies.
Starting point is 01:09:09 So I have not been following. I've been engaged. As a delegate from California, I've been involved in the RNC since this occurred. So I have not been tracking this as much as possible. Did Dan say that those could only occur through a deliberate error? Did he say they could be accidents or they could only happen if somebody allowed it to happen? What did Dan say? I don't think he said one way or the other.
Starting point is 01:09:35 I think he pointed out, you don't release the president when you've identified a threat. We have a holding room for this. Agreed. So how is it possible then that all of these law enforcement agents, for one, how do we have the dispute between law enforcement and Secret Service as to who is supposed to be guarding the building? By all means, we can argue that each and every one of these things is an anomaly. And it was sometimes people in the lottery. If that's the case, Occam's razor suggests that is the improbable outcome, as you described it, the Swiss cheese of failure that you can move through. There's actually a really simple straight line. And it's that they identified the individual and there was some official capacity that allowed can move through. There's actually a really simple straight line, and it's that they
Starting point is 01:10:05 identified the individual, and there was some official capacity that allowed it to happen. That's actually two steps. That could be one logistics officer. When the Secret Service calls it and we got a threat, they say, it's taken care of, don't worry about it. That sentence from one high-ranking official would shut down all of the normal procedures of Secret Service. That makes infinitely more sense and is a higher probability than Swiss cheese. Except for the one where the, except for, that's all, answers all the questions except for the why did the snipers not, because they don't need permission to shoot, right? So when the snipers saw him two minutes out, why didn't they shoot?
Starting point is 01:10:38 Well, it could. Imagine this scenario. One person in an official capacity who has logistic functionality is told by local law enforcement we saw a suspicious guy don't worry about him we're good we we know an hour three hours out he's flying a drone all we're good okay sniper and speculative because we don't know that he flew that we don't know that they knew he flew the drone they may have discovered that after the fact so that may not have happened and so so and then we'll just we'll shift into the more obscene and absurd, improbable scenario that no one noticed a drone flying over the president and had no explanation
Starting point is 01:11:11 for it, which is one of them. If that were true, one of the most highly anomalous, no one noticed a drone flying over a presidential rally. Now, that's crazy because I've been to a dozen. You've been to a dozen. I mean, the idea that law enforcement wouldn't spot a drone flying over a presidential rally is patently absurd. So so so my point ultimately is 26 minutes out. We got a suspicious guy on the roof. Official logistical officer in the Secret Service says we're aware of this. We're on it. This keeps every individual compartmentalized and unaware of what's going on. You don't need every single person to know. Why didn't the snipers open fire? Because the logistic officer said we got local friendlies on that roof and they go, OK. The official story was that the snipers on the roof didn't know if the person they were seeing was a local law enforcement or otherwise. Which says to me, the likelier scenario is that someone in an official capacity was telling people everything was fine. And the simplest solution is we're in a room right now with like 10 doors.
Starting point is 01:12:12 I mean, like seven. If I was to instruct security to guard each door, each individual officer following my logistical commands would not know who was guarding the other door. If I said, Jeremy, you're going to be on the back door. Jeremy doesn't know where Luke is. Everyone thinks the doors are guarded, but I intentionally leave that door in front of us unguarded. And then I tell everybody when they say, hey, we're seeing a weird guy. No, no, we're well aware of it. Then the door kicks open and the guy bursts into those water balloons at everybody. How does that happen? One person kept everyone compartmentalized. One person. That makes infinitely more sense than random kids slipped through swiss cheese in every conceivable way well what you're talking about there is a process i
Starting point is 01:12:49 think it's called deconfliction you know where they're supposed to be police on the roof from one from one agency the snipers who have overwatch from the secret service have to make sure that the person there is not that force so in that case all it takes is you're supposed to have somebody on that roof. You don't put anybody there and somebody then goes on that. up in the holding zone until threat is cleared. How did that bypass? A logistical officer said, guys, we've taken care of it. A single word from someone in official capacity and they say, Trump, you're good to go. Problem solved. That makes infinitely more sense than... Again, I still want to wait for the entire report to come out. And that's absolutely fine. I'm saying right now, we have not been given any official timeline of events. It's only coming out in pieces. And we're trying to figure out what makes the most sense based on what we know now. Of course, we can't trust the government as an
Starting point is 01:13:47 official source. And that's a fair point. Therefore, I can back off the drone thing because it's coming from official law enforcement sources. What we can say is most of the media is basing this off law enforcement sources. However, there is a lot of eyewitness testimony and people on the ground who gave firsthand witness, plus the video we all watched, the video, the synchronization. So what we know for sure, two minutes before the shots were fired, two minutes and one second, people were screaming, he's on the roof, he's got a gun, in full view of the police. And there was no action taken, two minutes to just calmly walk Trump off the stage. And that in and of itself is shockingly
Starting point is 01:14:20 anomalous. Now, I do think it's fair to say we know of the 10 minute threat assessment because the law enforcement officially told that to members of Congress who then reported it in a public letter to the public. I think it's fair to say that's their official position. What is the answer? They didn't give one. They said 10 minutes prior, we knew of the threat. We brought Trump out anyway. OK, right away, you've got an official anomalous action they knew there was a threat against the president was never cleared and they released him at the bare minimum that is criminal negligence bare minimum it really reminds me of all those feel-good videos uh where it's like a high school football team and there's like one special needs kid and then like they all pretend like they're trying to catch on. That's probably what happened.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Because every time I see this guy, I'm like, this guy? And you saw the reports from someone who was like he didn't make the rival team. No, it's not just that he didn't make the rival team. He was so bad we asked him not to come back because it was dangerous. But he was practicing the day before and that's why some people are calling him
Starting point is 01:15:24 retarded Oswald. But personally, I'm day before, and that's why some people are calling him retardy Oswald. Yeah, he's got several years since I've tried. But personally, I'm lactose intolerant for Swiss cheese, personally, myself. But I don't believe that theory. But you're a milk guy, though, from earlier, I think I remember. I thought you said you liked milk. I think it's fascinating that... I don't know the joke, but it must be good.
Starting point is 01:15:40 Who do you think killed JFK? We'll find out. It's not so much who killed him, but who set up the person who killed him. So you don't think that it was just Lee Harvey Oswald in and of himself? In the case of JFK, I do not believe so, yes.
Starting point is 01:15:58 Why would this be any different? Especially considering with JFK, we didn't have a year, eight years. I mean, they accused Donald didn't have a year to eight years of, I mean, they accused Donald Trump of being a traitor to his country and tried to put him in prison and impeach him in his first term. This is substantially more extreme than what JFK went through. And I don't think any reasonable person. I'm just saying, the reason I believe about JFK is the bulk of all the findings that have come out because the full body of evidence that we are, that we have also taking into account what we don't know and inferring what that could be
Starting point is 01:16:30 already exists. We do not have that body of evidence in the current case. So I think it's premature to assume that it is some form of conspiracy. I think it's the other way around. I think when we're getting an investigation, we take the pieces that we have together and we begin our investigation with a hypothesis, which may turn out to be wrong. Tim, I think in this case, we're just looking at the same glass of water and I think it's half full. Oh, I disagree. I think for political reasons, you're refusing to say what's obvious. That's not true at all. I mean, I think that with all of these issues that have happened to Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson's prediction, it is an absurdity to try and just say right now the likely scenario is accident. It's like this has been in this is what I'm saying is that that is my assumption. And I am waiting for the report.
Starting point is 01:17:19 Right. It's it's it's the long it's it's it's betting on the long shot. I don't think it's the long shot. Well, let's shift the story anyway. Otherwise, we're just going in circles. We have this from the Post Millennial. Mark Zuckerberg praises Trump as a badass after assassination attempt. Seeing Donald Trump get up after getting shot in the face and pump his fist in the air with the American flag is one of those badass things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, subtitle immediately donates $200 million to fortify election. That may be the only thing Zuckerberg said recently that I agree with.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Mark Zuckerberg is trying so hard to save Facebook, right? He's rebranding himself. He's in trouble. He's now saying he's sympathetic. He's saying he's not going to weigh in. You know, Facebook will continue to keep political stuff out of people's feeds because they don't like it. But I'm not going to endorse a political candidate.
Starting point is 01:18:02 I really think this is an effort to try and, you know, he realizes basically a lot of Trump supporters still use Facebook. No, Zuckerberg is in trouble. Zuckerberg realizes that he gave hundreds of millions of dollars to the Democratic machine before, and now he realizes the Zuckerbucks are going to be finally recalled under a Donald Trump administration, and he's now trying to save face and trying to, of course, not get hit as much as I think. I think I think you're all wrong. I think Mark Zuckerberg started exercising, which made him conservative. I mean, he started.
Starting point is 01:18:33 He did. He did do on that hydrofoil skiing or like something with the American flag. That's right. Right. You know, like they made something like that wakeboarding or whatever. He's just trying to grift into winning back conservatives. I think it's true that Trump posting that thing the other day being like Zuckerberg, Zuckerbucks, watch out, is probably a calculation on some level. But, you know, he is struggling. I mean,
Starting point is 01:18:52 to be fair, there were a lot of conservatives who were like, we should ban TikTok. And you know who benefits if we ban TikTok? Facebook and Meta. I actually think in all seriousness, Luke is correct. Mark Zuckerberg made a huge bet against Donald Trump. Trump is extremely offended by it. Trump is on track to be president. Zuckerberg knows it. And Trump is going to drop the hammer on Facebook. Yes, it's not because a lot of infrastructure with WhatsApp, Instagram, and of course, Facebook, but also a lot of other side projects that they're working on, especially when it comes to VR, especially when it comes to artificial intelligence. And truly, I do believe the next president will be deciding the future of the digital world, especially when it comes to AI development.
Starting point is 01:19:29 So Mark Zuckerberg understands that he's in absolute trouble. And you know that AI is going to basically coalesce under three or four companies that have, you know, and he wants Facebook to be at the front of the line for that. Do we know if he posted this on threads or how did he say it? It was an interview. I keep getting told that the active, the mouse, the monthly actives on threads are enormous. I don't believe it. No one believes that.
Starting point is 01:19:53 No way. Wasn't there just a headline? There's like 200 million active users. All of Meta is struggling. And I think there are probably a lot of reasons for Mark Zuckerberg to pivot right now. Zuckerberg has a lot of skeletons in his closet. Sorry. But he also spies on people. He also fortified the election. He also manipulated the algorithms. He committed a lot of illegal actions that he soon could be held
Starting point is 01:20:16 accountable for. Sorry, Hannah, I cut you off. Go ahead. My name is Hannah Clare. I can't believe you can't get that after three years. You should be concerned. No, I mean, I really think that Mark Zuckerberg is attempting to save himself for a variety of reasons. I do think that Meta as a business really needed conservative support to get rid of TikTok to continue to be viable because they're just hemorrhaging engagement. And I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg is worried about the legal consequences of his influence in the election. The part is that, you know, every major social media company in America has colluded with the federal government, especially under Biden. And so, you know, there is a level of like they are all realizing that there is a changing of the guards that's imminent. And it is fascinating to watch him because the other part is some of this. He could be saying, oh, Trump was Trump was a badass and it was so cool and whatever else,
Starting point is 01:21:05 but he didn't have to get a new haircut and wear a chain and change his style, right? He is really trying to shift away from the image he had in the past because he was so weird and not cool. He looks so different from his congressional hearings where he looked like a literal robot. Yeah. There's also, to add on to what you're saying, Hannah Clare, is also, Zuck has some problems with photographs on both of his platforms that has basically gone kind of unpunished. He's got a major, whatever the acronym is, I don't want to get Tim in trouble, but photos of people that shouldn't be on there. And it runs rampant on Instagram and it runs rampant on Facebook.
Starting point is 01:21:46 And he's pretty much, unless I'm wrong, he's pretty much avoided any kind of major backlash for that. What I think is interesting about his appearance is that when those photos came out of him looking like an android with pale skin and short hair, he had a visceral reaction to that, which makes me wonder if there's something internal to humans where they can recognize like a masculine failure.
Starting point is 01:22:07 So for what reason would he, the billionaire and one of the richest men in the world, have to grow his hair out, grow a beard, get a tan, start exercising, training, jujitsu, regardless of what other people think, he individually felt something was wrong with him. Yeah. And who do we contrast him to? Elon Musk, who got hair plugs as soon as he could. I mean, it's fascinating.
Starting point is 01:22:27 We all want to look young and healthy and project fixed, but also Silicon Valley now has this, you kind of have to be cool. I mean, Elon Musk is setting the bar to be an influential person in a way that Mark Zuckerberg just never captured. Elon Musk as a brand is infinitely preferable to Mark Zuckerberg as a brand. And Mark Zuckerberg
Starting point is 01:22:47 as a brand was very much linked, I think, with the Democratic Party and trying to be like, well, I'm not cool, but look, I'm active in a way
Starting point is 01:22:54 that I think of like beta male woke guys are like, but I might not be good looking or strong. They both suck compared to Tom. Tom's my guy. Tom,
Starting point is 01:23:00 is he still one of your top six? I never took him out. Tom's the original OG cool guy. Yeah. He made a site. He sold it, got paid, and retired. He's a photographer now.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Yeah, he just goes and does whatever he wants. He's a winner. That's what he is. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I actually... He defined it. No, I've got criticisms for him.
Starting point is 01:23:20 He jumped ship. I mean, nobody knew it was going to happen To these platforms So he just sold But then Fox immediately I think he sold to Murdoch Right? Yeah and they tanked it Yeah it got sour It was loaded with ads
Starting point is 01:23:31 It became sluggish And you started getting Spam from everybody And it was like We can't use this platform anymore The spam is really What killed Myspace Yeah
Starting point is 01:23:38 I think so I used to That inbox I used to like crazy I was like oh people I used to network When I was in a band back then We'd have our band page Where you could set Your three or four songs on there And then like because I used to like crazy. Like I was like, oh people, I used to network and like when I was in a band back then,
Starting point is 01:23:45 we'd like, we'd have like our band page where you could set like your three or four songs on there and then like I'd use it to network like crazy and then it just, it was like LinkedIn now. LinkedIn's suffering that same fate. Shiny Toy Guns,
Starting point is 01:23:55 famously, it's a band for those that aren't familiar, started, they started a band, a profile, I think it was before there were even bands on MySpace and started messaging people saying,
Starting point is 01:24:04 hey, check out our band. That was fine. but then it worked and everyone started doing it and all of a sudden your inbox was full of garbage and you couldn't even see your friends messages anymore facebook said we don't have none of that and that's why that's why i switched me and my friends were like i can't even get your message anymore dude and they were like we'll switch to facebook they have like a chat feature and i was like like, okay. Yeah, that was about right. I think social media and Silicon Valley must be such a weird world, right? Because you're always trying to, you'll at one moment be sort of the golden kid. You create this thing, everyone loves it. Facebook blows up. But inevitably, whatever's popular right now, especially in terms of tech will fade away. I mean, you said this once, you know, a family
Starting point is 01:24:40 member had asked him how long you're going to do this. He's like, well, I potentially podcasting could be not around forever. And I think the desire to stay relevant is innate both to the human condition, but also to technology. And I wonder how much of Mark Zuckerberg's previous dialogue he'll change in order to try and stay in the minds of both consumers and also in the favor of whatever politicians are taking over. He has a PR team. He has a marketing team. They're telling him, okay, you got to make these steps. You got to look like this.
Starting point is 01:25:10 You got to do this. He's in trouble because if I'm Donald Trump, I'm checking the receipts and I'm like, how much did you spend to fortify this election? Oh, you spied on how many J6ers? Oh, what kind of psychological studies? Oh, you twisted the algorithm here? Or you worked with the feds here?
Starting point is 01:25:28 He's taking those notes. And Facebook is in major trouble, especially if Donald Trump becomes the next president of the United States. Luke, do you remember those series of pictures that Zuckerberg posted years ago where he was like on a tractor or gutting fish or doing like all these like semi you know like look at me i'm human type stuff when he was like grilling in his backyard oh yeah oh yeah like smoking some meat sweet baby rays yeah like that kind of stuff weird yeah you know like but beyond that he loves smoking that meat do any of you do any of you disagree with the premise that getting shot and and then standing up and shaking your fist in front of the american flag is badass. Do you agree with that? No, I think it is.
Starting point is 01:26:05 And I actually think that, like I watched this random Irish influencer do a reel and she, you know, nothing to do with politics at all in her regular life, but she was like, look, I normally hate Trump, but even I, she's got a very thick Irish accent. She's saying like, but when I can't, I can't. Try it, do it, Hannah.
Starting point is 01:26:22 I can't. Are you that low IQ? You can't get my name right? I'm very worried about you. I got you. The thing. Do it, Hannah. I can't. Are you that low IQ? You can't get my name right? I'm very worried about you. I got you. The thing is, she was saying, even I was like, yeah, let's go America. And she has nothing to do with this country. And she's openly hates Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:26:35 I mean, I think that really was an iconic moment, which is why people like Joy Reid have such a visceral, like, no, you can't like this reaction. I like it as her TDS gets more. I like how she adopted his look. Like she him so much she dyed her hair blonde and then now like her the hate is making her uglier and i think that's all she thinks about i guess yeah it like eats these people up they're like golem they go from like this thing they become obsessed with the ring or t trump and it ruins their life i mean look at one woman on the view and tell me that that woman is happy there's not they all hate their life there's no way they
Starting point is 01:27:11 might go home to their mansions they might go to they all look miserable all the time bill maher looks miserable they're all drugged up and they're all getting dead they got to get baked to get through the day every day yeah yeah on a whole bunch of antidepressants, on a whole bunch of pharmaceuticals, on a bunch of illegal stuff. You look at the upper echelons of society, there's a huge substance abuse problem that no one really wants to talk about. We got breaking news from just a few minutes ago.
Starting point is 01:27:36 Oh boy. Florida man charged over alleged written threats to kill Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. The arrest comes less than a week after the assassination attempt on Trump, which has led to scrutiny of the Secret Service and concerns about escalating political violence. So as Libs of TikTok starts pointing out all of the people who are calling for and cheering this on, by all means, we can make the distinction between those who lament the miss and those who
Starting point is 01:27:58 advocate for it. I think we're going to start seeing law enforcement go after these people in a, I don't know in a shocking way a bunch of them are going to pop up too like you're going to get reports this won't be the first and it's facebook they say after investigating the reports in the suspect's facebook account jpd detectives found that wiseman had made multiple threats against trump and vance who earlier in the week became the republican nominees for the for the uh president and vice president police did not provide further details about wiseman nbc News was unable to reach him for comment. The arrest comes less than a week
Starting point is 01:28:26 after blah, blah, blah. People are going to get arrested. Facebook dropped the dime. Facebook's worried. Now they're starting to rat out their own users. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised.
Starting point is 01:28:37 I think this is likely passively somewhat libs of TikTok. Yeah. Either people are sending it to libs or finding it and posting these, and other people are sharing it. They say that Michael M. Wiseman arrested Friday on charges of written threats to kill. They
Starting point is 01:28:52 checked his Facebook. Did they show it? They don't show it. Yeah, they don't show exactly what he said. I'm willing to bet this was substantially more egregious than saying I wish or something. However, I think the people who are saying next time X should happen or something should happen, I think the people who are saying next time X should happen or something should happen, like what Kyle Gass
Starting point is 01:29:07 said on stage, they're going to get a visit from the Secret Service. Because that's, when you say next time, you are saying it should happen again. You're wishing for it. Well, it's not an imminent threat. So the legal standard is you say, go do this thing right now. Like if you said Donald Trump is currently
Starting point is 01:29:23 here, go do a thing, that's an imminent threat. These people Trump is currently here, go do thing. That's imminent threat. These people are saying next time it happens, they want it to succeed is a call to violence. I think that violates the rules of these platforms. Whether that will get people arrested, I don't know. I think it would likely just result in a visit and they may actually, here's what might happen.
Starting point is 01:29:40 These people are posting publicly. They wish it happened. How much do you want to bet they have private messages where they're saying more direct things? Law enforcement will get those, and that may be what happened. This article also says, Hannah Clare pulled off.
Starting point is 01:29:54 Are you stealing the point I'm about to make? Watch me do this. I'm going to take a take. Nice. He's fired. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say. Well, I was going to say that the Jupiter police arrested him,
Starting point is 01:30:02 and that makes him 20 miles north of Mar-a-Lago, according to WFLA. Not my point. Do you want to also? My point is. Call him out, Hannah. My point is. Are you okay?
Starting point is 01:30:12 Your memory is so bad. You've known me for three years and you can't remember my name. I think you should get your IQ checked. I am desperately worried about you. I refuse. Sorry, keep going. I refuse to use your pronouns. It's too complicated for you?
Starting point is 01:30:24 You can't remember my name? I'm concerned, Lou. It's Friday night, everybody. Come on. All right. No, what this report says is that multiple people that lived by him reported him to police. So what you're going to see is more civilians saying, yo, this cat lady down the street, maybe he was on a Facebook neighborhood page or something. Those are my
Starting point is 01:30:46 favorite, by the way. Does he have something creepy in his yard hanging out? Yeah. He's got some effigies or something. There is a level where I don't like the idea that we are all monitoring each other and reporting each other to the police. On the other hand, imminent threats of violence are serious. It's a very difficult balance to have.
Starting point is 01:31:01 As long as they don't start changing the definition of imminent. As long as we don't go from like, ah, rats he missed. Oh, you're just some tedious weirdo to like, well, you know what I mean? Like calling for it. I think they have to be very careful in defining what calling for it is. And I wouldn't mind if they visited a couple of high profile people, because that's what you really have to do. Like going after these randos, you just go after Kyle Gass, you go after anybody with a following
Starting point is 01:31:27 and then work smart, not hard. Find a couple of these libs who are saying unhinged things, make an example of them, visit them, film them crying because they're having consequences and then put it out there. But I worry about pushing people underground too. Correct. I was just about to say that. Isn't that just going to teach people just not to post it, but still think it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:48 People are allowed to think whatever they want. They can think it as long as they know that there's some consequence for it. I think people. Well, what I meant by was plan it without, without posting it. You're right. Anybody can think.
Starting point is 01:32:00 This is, this has been the federal government's wet dream for a long time, especially like body cameras. It's really funny. There was this viral thread threat from a from a leftist who was like i just learned body cameras was actually police propaganda to trick leftists into supporting it police wanted a mass surveillance network that would protect them and allow for faster convictions so how do you do it get every cop to wear a camera. It's not to put cops in jail to hold them accountable. But they knew that if they came out and they said, we want the government to spend millions of dollars on cameras for us for law enforcement purposes, the left would say the
Starting point is 01:32:35 massive expansion of a surveillance state is bad. We do not want police to have cameras. So they said, we have to approach this from the inverse. We need the narrative to be police are bad and they must be monitored. So the cops have to wear body cameras to inverse we need the narrative to be police are bad and they must be monitored so the cops have to wear body cameras to stop the bad guys and you'll get all of the left in major liberal cities demanding the government pay for it and it worked and obama and many others demanded federal funding for body cameras and now most body camera footage is used as evidence against suspects yeah Yeah. I'm still glad it exists, though. I know that makes me a fool, but it has worked against cops several times.
Starting point is 01:33:11 I think this should be in every classroom, too. And it works more often. Like 99% of body camera footage cases are to the benefit of the police officers. They are. Is there a problem with that, though? No. No. I'm just saying that cameras never lie.
Starting point is 01:33:21 When it comes to the online monitoring of people's opinions, we are entering a territory where before social media, people thought these things. Yeah. Now they're saying them in public and they're crossing the line and getting arrested for it. The answer, of course, is you made the choice to publicly declare, you know, a violent threat against the president. Don't do that. And now you're going to go to jail for it. I don't like that they're calling it. A lot of people on the right are calling it doxing. It's not. First of all, you posted it publicly on your Facebook page. It's not like they included your home address.
Starting point is 01:33:53 What they're really talking about lives of TikTok. Because it's her posts that are going viral. But she's not linking their address. She's not. I mean, I know I don't want to go back and rehash that out. Tim and I mildly, mostly agree on this. But I get queasy when we're witch hunting people. As long as it's a real direct threat, then I care less.
Starting point is 01:34:14 But if it's like, oh, here's some TDS person and they make $11 an hour, let's screw their life over. Home Depot? The Home Depot one was weird. I didn't think it was a direct threat. But I mean, I think that these are public. You post it in public, that has consequences. By the way, this is what the right has had to live by for years anyway.
Starting point is 01:34:33 Yeah, but there was one that Libs posted where the person said, they said something like, when this happened, I immediately was upset they didn't succeed. And then they posted beneath it, I shouldn't be feeling this way I can't believe this man has made me Begin to feel these feelings It's wrong and I shouldn't be thinking this And she got fired I don't know if she got fired
Starting point is 01:34:55 But I know Libs posted it I think she did get fired And I'm like a person saying I should not be thinking these things Should not be fired for that I agree That's cancel culture But also the real thing there too is like to what extent do you should employers prohibit their employees from expressing their political views outside of work so when you're when you're being hired by a company that that you know says
Starting point is 01:35:22 well as soon as you make something that's actionable we're going to let you go because of it. That's not a place we should be either. The issue is the question of reasonableness. If a person says on Facebook, I like Donald Trump, he's going to help this country, they should not get fired or sanctioned for it. Correct. If a person says something like, I don't support gay marriage and I think children shouldn't get sex changes, they shouldn't get fired for it. If a person says something like, I think this particular group of people
Starting point is 01:35:49 should be excised from society, I have no problem if their business fires them for it. The reason for it is, businesses have no requirement to absorb your political opinions. And within reasonable limits. During cancel culture,
Starting point is 01:36:05 the issue I take is a firefighter donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, they fired him for it. Okay, that's insane. If he had publicly come out, gave a Hitler speech, and was saluting and stuff, and they fired him,
Starting point is 01:36:15 that I understand. Correct. But the left was unreasonable and the businesses were unreasonable. My issue is we have to understand the difference between when a private company can do what they want and when they're acting unreasonably, bending the knee to zealous
Starting point is 01:36:29 political factions. If I run a business, if I start a pizza restaurant and I hire an employee and they start posting online, no one should ever buy pizza. It's bad for you. Do not buy this. I'd fire him in two seconds. I'd say like, it directly affects your business. You are intentionally causing us harm. I have no obligation to keep paying you to be here. But it's my political opinion that pizza is unhealthy food. And I'm like, then go work somewhere else. I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing.
Starting point is 01:36:57 Bye-bye. Have a nice day. We disagree. Is the at-will employment thing, I think that's at a state level, right? Yeah. We always say it was policy. So how many, just rough estimate, how many states are at will? Like, I know Wisconsin is, because it's come up.
Starting point is 01:37:09 But the at will thing really doesn't matter, because you can- It doesn't play in here? You can fire people. Well, I mean, like, if you're an employer and you go to someone and say, I'm going to give you a reason for your termination, now you're asking for illegal trouble. Yeah, that's why they never give it in Wisconsin. They're like, you know, we're going
Starting point is 01:37:25 a different direction. Right. And they usually just say budgetary reasons. Yeah. You're allowed to, like, it's so stupid
Starting point is 01:37:32 how it's like, if you fire someone for a political reason, you're going to get in trouble. Businesses just say, we went over the budget and we figured we didn't need
Starting point is 01:37:40 this position anymore. Yeah. Prove otherwise. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right, we're going to go
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Starting point is 01:38:01 next week. So we'll get your Super Chats while we're here. Clint Torres says, howdy, people. Always the first. Daniel Brent says, Leviticus 8, 23 to 24. Moses anoints Aaron by putting sacrificial blood on his right earlobe and right hand. Also, howdy, people.
Starting point is 01:38:19 I see a lot of people have been posting that. Yeah. He's been anointed. Lauren Burbite referenced that when we were here when we were recording with her. The Scrub and Scrubs has hoped to play some Magic the Gathering with you, Jeremy,
Starting point is 01:38:29 and Ian one day. Been a fan of all you for a while. I'm normally a modern player so I'd have to borrow a deck. He was jonesing. He was jonesing. We were hanging out
Starting point is 01:38:36 for a little bit today. I could see how he was I asked him. I was like, you got any EDH? Yeah. He was like, just pre-cons.
Starting point is 01:38:41 I was like, he was so disappointed. And then I said, are they sleeved? He goes, no. I was like, do you play? I got no idea what you're talking about. I was sitting there so confused today. Yeah. Luke was just playing with the dogs. And then we basically spoke a different language for like 30 minutes about sets, terminology, jargon but um my good friend we we want to do a friday night we want to do a friday night show playing poker but there's legal limitations so we're thinking maybe we do um magic commander and we're going to be building like a bunch of decks i think i've got maybe like 15 high tier edh decks built already fun silly ones uh some are are completely absurd do you know the Marilyn Commander deck? I do not She's a commander, mono-black
Starting point is 01:39:29 That her ability basically makes you A vampiric tutor Instead of drawing cards I like that And the deck is 96 swamps And it's ad nauseum And what's the other card? Basically, long story short
Starting point is 01:39:42 Seek the Infinite No, you What's a win card? You draw your whole deck and then deal 90 damage to everybody and then you use Dark Orb to cut the damage in half to you so you live.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Got it. So it's the ultimate glass cannon. If anyone has a single counterspell, you instantly lose against everyone else. But the one time it works... It always works the first time because nobody sees it coming and then it'll never work again.
Starting point is 01:40:03 Yeah, they put the deck away for three months. Exactly. Until a new person comes in and you go don't say anything anybody yeah yeah so there's a few decks like that but mostly we're trying to build decks that are kind of weak because they're fun and they do silly things but i hope you enjoyed that jargon that confused most of you let's go conspiracy ranch says now that kyle deleted his apology maybe admit that he didn't deserve it in the first place. See the poster of the shooter being a hero. What if they say sorry to him?
Starting point is 01:40:30 Going to accept that too? He deleted it? Kyle Gass deleted it? Oh, I'm just like, man, the content for my channel, I'm telling you. I've been drinking through a fire hose. He deleted it! That's wild. Why would you delete it now? Whoa. That's it! That's wild. Why would you delete it
Starting point is 01:40:46 now? That's worse than leaving it up. They're done. That's it. That's it. Tenacious E is over. That tells you, here's what happened. They said, put up the apology. We're going to try to save it. It didn't work, so he said, F you. I'm not deleting it. Jack Black deleted his statement
Starting point is 01:41:02 as well. Huh. There's something going on. They both went to the ground on it, huh? Well, someone told them, hey, we're going to make it all right if you apologize. And then they didn't. I think the PR company said, are you nuts? PR 101, say nothing. And wait for it to all blow up.
Starting point is 01:41:16 But it's too late. Yeah. Now they're double trouble. Yes. Monday video. Tim, don't scoop me on this one. I'm by monday it's gonna be old news i know i know all right i'll work saturday let's go it has been a really crazy week so much stuff is going i was getting up i was like like doing five videos before going down to the rnc and then by the
Starting point is 01:41:39 time i got down the rnc they were all outdated i'm like can't cameron kirk says are you guys are you guys going to be live at the DNC as well? If Biden makes it there, it might be the shortest convention speech of all time. No! Because I have grown quite fond of living. Yeah, he does like it. We were talking about this earlier. It makes more sense to cover a virtual convention
Starting point is 01:41:57 virtually anyways, right? That's the meta of everything. Even Luke wimped out. I'm going. I didn't wimp out. I literally had a gun put to my head by Chicago PD. It wasn't nice. That was NATO. That wasn't the DNC. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:14 Luke doesn't like Chicago. I don't like Chicago either. But my concern is I'm not worried about riots and protests at the RNC. That never happens. I was there in 2012. Luke and I were both there at the RNC in 2012, happens. I was there in 2012. Luke and I were both there at the RNC in 2012, 2016. 2020 was like virtual or something.
Starting point is 01:42:28 So it was like, I don't know what happened. I don't remember that one. And now we're back here and I'm just like, I've done RNCs. They don't do anything. They march around
Starting point is 01:42:34 and they wiggle their fingers. DNCs, everyone we've been to, they have torn fences down, physically attacked people. It's nuts. Blood on the streets. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:43 So they probably are going to... Last time someone lit himself on fire. So, and. Blood on the streets. Last time someone lit himself on fire. Getting in and out is going to be impossible. Every checkpoint is going to have it's Chicago even. You're going to have far leftists blocking the streets.
Starting point is 01:42:57 It's going to take 30 minutes to try and get through the checkpoint. They're going to go up to your car and bang on the windows and scream. If someone like me is in that car, it's not going to be fun. So I'm not going anywhere near that psychopathic garbage. I was with Mike Cernovich at the last DNC, and literally a guy lit himself on fire.
Starting point is 01:43:13 Yeah, all that footage will just be re-downloaded and re-uploaded by some internet Twitter person anyway. That was 2012. We were there in 2016, and they tried ripping the barricades down. The barricades were twice as high because they knew the left was going to attack and they went out
Starting point is 01:43:29 super far and there were thousands of far leftists jumping the barricades and trying to storm into the building. They were in the secure perimeter and I'm like, dude, not interested. These people are nuts. This year the Palestine people will be... Oh, dude, it's going to be bonkers. And in Chicago, with the gangs and the weapons and the corrupt police, man, you have got a powder keg upon...
Starting point is 01:43:51 If they were doing the event in like Raleigh or something, I might be like, maybe we get something nearby and see who's there. Nah, Chicago? No way. I'm from that place. I know what's going to happen. Maybe I'm completely wrong and we watch from afar and nothing happens and I go, Oh, look, I guess it was okay. You lose nothing. If that, like you lose nothing. Yeah. I just, I just don't see a benefit to being in that because it's hard enough to get into the RNC. Well, you know, we, I, they made us walk. So, uh, they had a barricade 50 feet from our car and they made us walk across the bridge and walk past the protest to go around. I'm like, so we took the river path instead. Cause I'm like, if we go up that way, I'm going to try and just, we'll hug the river. They made us cross the river,
Starting point is 01:44:35 go around, cross the river and then walk. It's seriously, we had to walk four blocks because there was a gate, the gate was open and the cop standing standing there and we're like, our car's right there. Can we go? And he looks at us. Where's your car? And we're like, car's right there. Can we go? And then he just closes the gate and goes, go around.
Starting point is 01:44:50 And we were like, dude, our car is literally 50 feet away. And then we went around the cops at the other side because it was also a gate. He goes, you can't come in. And we're like, our car is in there. We have badges. And he was like, nah, you can't come in. And we're like, dude, literally our car is right there. This is how we got it in.
Starting point is 01:45:09 And he goes, I'll tell you what, you can try. See what come in and we're like dude literally our car is right there this is how we got it in and he goes i'll tell you what you can try see what they say we're okay we walked in got our car and drove out yeah nuts yeah not only that but they didn't even know how badges worked at this time it was it was really weird so i can't imagine the dnc is going to be any better but also like we didn't prepare we didn't plan we did not want to go to the dnc but it was very to be to be fair also like very event uh very uneventful event they had a lot you know there was just you're you're gonna go to you're saying you're going to the dnc if if uh rumble has if rumble has a studio there how are you going to get in without far leftist like they don't know who i am bro yeah they do yeah they do get it get a hotel within the perimeter then you don't have to worry about it dude we're That's the gold standard.
Starting point is 01:45:46 The DNC-level protests, we're talking about there's probably 50 to 100 high-level far-left organizers from different organizations that have databases of personalities and photographs that they disseminate. I don't know if, Luke, we were in France. No, we were in Hamburg, Germany, where they were literally passing around photos of us. That I know. I remember that one. But in France, we went where they were literally passing around photos of us. That I know. I remember that one. But in France, we went to a direct action house where they were making weapons. They were making flags. And we walked around and all the different departments.
Starting point is 01:46:16 It was industrialized. Yeah. So I don't know. In Chicago, I've been to the activist houses. They have their lofts. They rent out these industrial garbage, asbestos ridden properties where like 10 people all put in a couple like 500 bucks a month to maintain it. And then they have computers. They have databases.
Starting point is 01:46:33 They say, here's who's going to be here. Here's what they look like. And then they share the photos. And then what happens is in the day of when the bulk of the activists show up and don't know anything, they're given pieces of paper. They're shown things on phones. I'm just saying. And just like we saw in the Battle of Seattle, the feds are involved here, and they're
Starting point is 01:46:47 organizing a lot of the chaos, too. So that's another reason why they got it. Yeah, Luke and some journalist, what was that guy's name? Marcus. Marcus. They were walking down the street, and someone, a German guy, yelled Nazi Schweinhund, and random people got up off the ground, ran
Starting point is 01:47:04 up and started punching Luke. They didn't know who Luke was. They never saw a picture of him. All it took was one guy. He yelled, pointed at Luke, and then random people ran up and started attacking Luke. Oh, that was Max. He had to get knee surgery afterwards because they just literally stomped him out. I ran.
Starting point is 01:47:19 I got out of there. And then the cops are like, we can't help you. Get out of here. Thanks, guys. We won't help you. Here's the thing about leftist riots they don't know or care if a single individual points another individual and yells nazi they will attack you and this this has happened so i was at the trump a trump rally in san jose i think this was 2015 and they were attacking people an elderly couple was knocked to the ground their hats ripped from their head
Starting point is 01:47:44 and they were set on fire. There was a guy wearing a green hoodie. I think it was a green hoodie. It's been a long time. I think the video may be on YouTube somewhere. Oh, no, I think Fusion took it down. And he's bleeding from the mouth because even though he was a part of the mob, someone yelled he was a Trump supporter,
Starting point is 01:48:00 and then someone ran up and punched him right in the bottom of the mouth and ripped his bottom lip open, getting blood everywhere. Did not matter if it was true. And he was like, I'm on your side. I hate the mouth and ripped his bottom lip open, getting blood everywhere. Did not matter if it was true. And he was like, I'm on your side. I hate Trump.
Starting point is 01:48:08 I hate Trump. Bleeding all over the place. So you ruined from for me today. And now you're going to ruin the. I got an idea for you. You do whatever you want. You go ahead. I know I got a guy in England.
Starting point is 01:48:19 Maybe we can get you another suit. And you and I can we can just go along those brick buildings. They'll never see us. It's urban camouflage. Yeah, we'll have to get chain link versions. That's why you have the suit. I thought it was a wall reference, but it's urban camouflage. It works for that, too.
Starting point is 01:48:31 It works for that as well. All right. TLO Productions says, Tim, I recently flew new my drone in Long Island at the cricket tournament, and it was a no-fly zone. Upon flying it seven minutes into the flight, Homeland Security showed up and told me not to fly. The drone had no warning of a TFR in the area. DJI drones don't know. Yes, they do. DJI drones do know. I own one.
Starting point is 01:48:53 It may have been a limited no-fly zone that wasn't approved in the system. It could have not been FAA. Because they showed up, they also transmit that each drone has to transmit like it's right they have they have they have a core that's how they found a transponder yeah you need it you need a pilot's license to fly yep this was the funniest thing because uh when i was doing the
Starting point is 01:49:14 consulting for it was like the north atlantic drone coalition or whatever it's called i actually was working with the group that shows the first drone coalition, North Atlantic drone coalition. Oh, Nancy, you almost got it. Oh my God. As I'm telling them how they work, what we do.
Starting point is 01:49:34 They then told me you're going to have to get a pilot's license for this. And I was like, but I was like, I have to go get a pilot's license. And I was like, can you issue me one right now? And they were like, no. And I was like, but you're, one right now? And they were like, no.
Starting point is 01:49:45 And I was like, but you want me. Okay, hold on a second. I just told you the restrictions you need to put in place. Now you want me to take a test from you on the restrictions I just told you to put in place? And they're like, yes. And I was like, dude, I don't need the license. I don't care. I'm not going to fly these things.
Starting point is 01:50:02 Yeah, technically you need a license. Yeah, my wife has one. It's easier, I guess, when you're a pilot. Like, you can just take a little written thing and get it right away. Yeah, if you're a pilot. No, any pilot license should be good. Yeah, but she has an extra card, too, I think. Also, it's important to know that these are legal aircraft.
Starting point is 01:50:17 Right. So, if you... Well, dude, they go by O'Hare, and there's 747s, and there's... So, if someone flies a drone over your house house and you throw a rock at it, felony. It is a felony to attack aircraft for any reason. So that means you can't point a laser at it too then, right? Yes, you can't do any of that. And there's a reason for it.
Starting point is 01:50:35 If the drone loses control and crashes, it could injure somebody. But the problem we now have is someone once flew a drone over our property, surveilling us, and we don't know where it came from. What am I supposed to do? Like that's a huge security threat for us. Our security company is going to be like, dude, this is a problem. What am I supposed to do about it? Yeah. Just let criminals fly drones over the property. It's a ticket maybe. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:51:00 And it's transmitting the video back in real time anyway. So if you get the drone, it doesn't really matter anymore. You used to have to pull the video off it. Now you see it in real time on your controller. Yeah, so the funny thing is about early drones. I was in Turkey. And this is the earlier drones. I won't name the company. But they could be commandeered by simple Wi-Fi.
Starting point is 01:51:17 And so somebody was, some rich dude, we were at a resort, Vice had sent me to in Antalya. And some guy was flying his drone. And I saw it. And I pulled up my phone, commandeered it started taking filming video from it then i released it and the guy was just confused for a second and then i walked over and i played the video for him and they were like what and i was like bro these things are not secure i could have taken your drone and flown it away yeah put it in the river your eight thousand dollar rig you know but nowadays encryption and better security and stuff makes it a lot better.
Starting point is 01:51:47 Ghost Crusaders TV says, Did you see the video Benny Johnson posted of the forensic analyst says that there was a second pew-pew inside the building under the kid? I did see this. They're interesting. I don't know how much veracity there is. Of course, there was a second shooter. There was a sniper team that shot at him. So they're playing audio.
Starting point is 01:52:09 And this is actually clever, clever but doesn't prove anything it proves multiple shots were fired and some were shot fired from different directions what they did was this is actually really amazing science you look at the waveform and you can see the gunshot and the report so bang bang right you can then see in the waveform and you can actually measure the time distance very easily it's 0.22 seconds that's what he shows you know the distance traveled of the bullet based on the sound when there's an echo you can actually tell where the echo came from based on the amount of time from when the bullet was fired to when the echo was picked up by the speaker and where the speaker was triangulation really really amazing stuff that's how they're claiming to determine the location of the second shots and how they are
Starting point is 01:52:51 incongruous with with uh assessments of snipers firing back i don't know that's true some guy on the internet said a thing the whole thing about the second there's i mean why wasn't there a second body then so he just missed and left some guy on the internet also said that an FBI director was in the back giving signals. And that's completely fake. Yes, absolutely. That stuff is designed to make it impossible for you to figure out what's really going on. Yeah. Government put some of that stuff out themselves, too.
Starting point is 01:53:18 Oh, it's probably. Always. Just info. Yeah. Yep. Let's go. You can tell I spent the week with Luke. I'm influencing and radicalizing everyone.
Starting point is 01:53:27 I got home and I was like, he needs a RO water in a glass, please. Yeah, no plastic. I don't want it. She's like, what? I'm like, just do it. You don't want him to hear about his balls. Joseph Metzler adds that the individual who made this
Starting point is 01:53:41 is a PhD professor who does audio. Yes, and I believe he does audio forensics specifically in his science. It is actually really cool outside of any conspiracy theories that you can take a recording from one room of someone hitting a table and then someone else on the other side hitting the wall. And he will be able to tell you how far apart they are and like the size of the room based on the waveform. It's really cool stuff.
Starting point is 01:54:05 Yeah. and like the size of the room based on the waveform. It's really cool stuff. Yeah, the way the sound bounces off can be seen in the waveform based on time and distance and the speed of sound. Super cool stuff. And then you get a PhD when you figure all that stuff out, I guess. I feel like you earned that. All right, let's grab some more super chats. Karasu Macha says, Maybe a standalone complex.
Starting point is 01:54:24 Enough people look the other way. I don't believe it, of course. Most likely it was allowed. Stand-alone complex, I also suspect as being as very possible. And that's basically when enough people
Starting point is 01:54:35 take an action that appears to be in concert when it's actually individual. So if enough agents hate Donald Trump and are wishing in the back of their mind something would happen, one guy sees the guy and just says, I'm going to probably going to see that another guy sees the guy and says, I'm going to pretend I didn't see that. And it's not incompetence. It's that enough of them in their own minds think I will not stick my neck out for Donald Trump, resulting in the availability of this opportunity for the shooter. Now, if you were going with a segment of the general population, the chances of that might be higher, but law enforcement is almost universally in support of Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:55:14 And so, like, you can't apply that as rules, like percentages from the general population to the sector of people who are involved in security and police is the fbi in favor of donald trump i don't know the fbi but what i'm saying is it's fair to say no but what i'm saying easily no but what i'm saying is what i'm saying is there is that it it's a different set of standards and yeah that's what i'm saying recognize that there's a difference between between the support that don Donald Trump has from the law enforcement community and the lack of support from maybe general aspect of community. And the exact same argument, you cannot use
Starting point is 01:55:56 local law enforcement in place of federal law enforcement in this capacity. The most evidence, I would say, suggests federal law enforcement opposes Trump. And outside of that, support for Donald Trump wasn you go to any police officer and say do you support trump enough to lose your job never i i i bet 90 of cops would be like if you instruct me to arrest trump right now i'd do it no questions asked i disagree well in new york uh where most like police departments are typically in big urban areas that are controlled by liberals we're not talking about sheriff's departments and deputies local police officers have already done all of these things i mean look at the police officers who were i disagree with the statement that 90 of police officers would just do it that's all i'm saying i'm not saying that nobody would do it i'm just saying
Starting point is 01:57:02 because obviously it happened yeah and then And he came and he surrendered himself. So who shut down the churches in New York? I don't know. It was police. Yeah. Police went. Who arrested the salon owner in Texas? It was police.
Starting point is 01:57:15 Who arrested the cafe owner in Minnesota? It was police. I mean, surprisingly, in Attila's gym, the local officers refused to take action. So they brought in police from the next town over, who gleefully went and kicked everybody out and threatened them with arrest, took IDs and all that stuff. This idea that cops cannot be communists is so silly. In Seattle, when a guy was attacked by Antifa, and it's all on video. I'm not saying they can't. I'm just saying 90%.
Starting point is 01:57:38 I'm just disagreeing with the percentage. That's all. Sure. I think the overwhelming majority of police officers protect their job before they defended Donald Trump. This is true of most people. In Seattle, a guy was attacked by Antifa and the cops arrested the victim. Why? Well, they they're like, we don't want to get into a fight with Antifa. In Wisconsin, when Black Lives Matter came to a guy's house, a group that had previously burned down a house and the guy brandished a shotgun, the cops went into his house and arrested him to the cheers of Black Lives Matter, who hate police.
Starting point is 01:58:09 Time and time again, we see police officers do this. Proud Boys were being harassed at an event in New York City by Antifa, who surrounded a venue with Gavin McGinnis. They were throwing things at people. They're screaming at people. Eventually, Proud Boys were like, OK, screw it, let's go and charge at Antifa. Mutual combat, we call that. When the police showed up, the Proud Boys, being good little Boy Scouts, said, officer, we will tell you everything you need to know. And the cops arrested them and put them in prison for four years. I don't see it. How about, I mean, you can look at January 6th, for instance,
Starting point is 01:58:37 when people are begging the cops to do anything. They don't. How about the cops on May 29th? None of these cops came out and stuck out their neck for Donald Trump. I think it's an absurdity to think that any of these guys would do anything that would risk their livelihoods. They're like, look, man, I got to feed my kids. I'm not going to stick my neck out for anybody. I think that's what we see mostly.
Starting point is 01:58:58 All right, we'll read some more Super Chats. All right. What do we have here? Next,ayer says devil's advocate could someone have tapped into ss comms and misdirected comms between ss and police assassination without inside help if so it would be a major failure that ssn uh would never admit to improbable though highly improbable probably unlikely because hacking into comms doesn't change anything. They could maybe like blast feedback, but then they just change the channels. I don't know how commandeering comms would stop people from talking to each other.
Starting point is 01:59:31 The narrative would say that they got jammed or something. Yeah, and they have cell phones. It's a convenient excuse for them, yeah. Or they could yell. I mean, it wasn't that big of a space. Yeah, that was the shocking part. It wasn't that big of a space. I can't believe not one person said, get Trump off the stage now.
Starting point is 01:59:45 Yeah. Nobody? Everyone was looking forward, though, you know. Powder Peezy says, Secret Service Director said simultaneously, the building is outside our perimeter, we had officers in the building, and it was local police's responsibility.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Which is it? It can't be all three. Watching her get confronted at the RNC was legendary. Yeah, that was great. That was, yeah, those congressmen chasing her down, like, that was great. Tommy C. Case says, how did a 10-foot ladder appear and no one noticed? He walked it right over. Is that what he did?
Starting point is 02:00:14 Yeah. There was two ladders. I think one was from the Secret Service. And then another one that was smaller from him. Yeah. He bought it and brought it the day before. Jess Gibson says, watch your bank statements over the next few days. My husband bought something and was charged 25 times in a row for it.
Starting point is 02:00:29 Bank is reversing it, but oof. Yikes. Those things happen. I don't know if that's specific or would be for everybody. Happens to me all the time, but yesterday was Amazon Prime Day, which is a scam. Yeah, it is. Amazon Prime Day.
Starting point is 02:00:44 Yeah. It's Prime Week now. All right, we'll just grab one more. Please give me vacuums. Jasper Lavoie says, Tim, did you see the videos
Starting point is 02:00:53 of the personnel on the water tower? I saw grainy footage with a black splotch on a water tower that I don't know what it is. Yeah, that's not personnel. Not really,
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