Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1087 Donald Trump & Elon Musk LIVE NOW, Trump HAS RETURNED To X For Election w/Mark Ivanyo

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Carter are joined by Mark Ivanyo to listen to Trump's spaces with Elon Musk on X, Elon Musk announcing X was hit by a major DDoS attack prior to the interview with Trump, Elon asking Trump to recount his experience during the rally where someone shot him, and Trump roasting Biden for destroying America's southern border. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere)  Hannah Claire @hannahclaireb (everywhere) Carter @carterbanks (X)  Guest: Mark Ivanyo @MarkIvanyo (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Musk as they've both, well, Donald Trump has praised Elon Musk. Elon Musk, of course, has been speaking out quite a bit about what's going on in the UK and free speech. This is huge. Donald Trump has returned to X, formerly with Twitter, and already, as we are waiting in the placeholder for Donald Trump's interview on spaces, it's crashed. I think we're already looking at over 700,000 people have tried to view the space. I don't know if they're going to be able to pull this off, but it's going to be very interesting. Now, there's big news around this. In the EU, they're threatening Elon Musk because he dared to say he will interview Donald Trump. And they're saying, hey, don't forget we got laws and hate speech and you're under investigation. The Guardian

published an article by a Twitter exec saying arrest, issue a warrant for Elon Musk's arrest. They are losing their minds. We'll talk about that. Plus, Donald Trump's campaign HQ in Virginia burglarized. This is breaking news. It's only about an hour or so ago. We'll pull that one up. And then we got the stolen valor scandal, which is just getting crazier. A Minnesota government website actually showing a statement from Tim Walz. They say it's his words where he claims to have been the National Guard. It was in Bagram. And it's all manipulation. Go to TimCast.com. Click join us. Depending on the length of the conversation with Donald Trump and Elon, we may not have a members only show for you tonight. We start a little bit early so that we have some room before that interview starts. But go to TimCast.com, click

join us to support the show. If you believe in what we do, get access to the discord. And depending on how the interview with Trump goes, we may we may have that members only show for you tonight. But again, we're we're we're just winging it tonight. Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight to talk about this and maybe just comment on this interview is Mark Ivaño. Hey, Tim, pleasure to be here. Who are you? What do you do? So I'm the executive director of Republicans for National Renewal, which is a political nonprofit organization

essentially promoting the America First agenda, which was brought into the political sphere by President Trump, as your audience knows, in 2016. And so we want to basically renew the Republican Party from the grassroots level up. So at the local, state and federal levels that when President Trump is back in office, he has a network and infrastructure within the party to effectuate his agenda, instead of not only have to deal with the radical left, which he has to, but also not being stabbed in the back by members of his own party. We want to change that. We think that's unacceptable. And so to get more of the America first national populist candidates into office is our mission.

Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Carter Banks is hanging out. What's up, guys? Carter here. Everything Timcast music and Trash House pumped to be here. What's up, Hannah Clear? Hey, I'm happy to have you both here tonight.

I'm excited to see if this X Spaces works. It's already making me nervous. I'm Hannah Clear? Hey, I'm happy to have you both here tonight. I'm excited to see if this, uh, X Spaces works. It's already making me nervous. I'm Hannah Clear Brummel. I'm a writer for SCNR.com. That's Scanner News. Hope you guys had a good weekend. Let's get started. I'm going to unmute this.

And this is all we can hear right now. So you want to, you want to pull this up, Serge? The, uh, the spaces seems to be crashing already. So I'm really excited for this. What you're, what you're hearing now is Trump's placeholder music, which is fun. And you know the thing is, because this isn't a live video stream at Spaces, normally what we do is we'll just have the video playing with it muted, and then once we see the video start, we can be like, okay, hey, it's starting.

If I mute this, Trump can start speaking at any minute and we have no idea. So I have a feeling they're probably going to be late. So but this is historic. Their description here is the big. Actually, let me just pull up the Team Trump Twitter post. We're going to get it right here. This is the biggest interview in history. And now we're asking you to make President Trump's biggest fundraising day ever. Before the interview is

over, we're calling on 10 million patriots to donate any amount and proudly say, I stand with Donald Trump. Well, I donated the maximum already. I don't know about anybody else. I'm not telling anybody else to do anything. That's what they're saying. That's pretty genius, but has anyone ever known Trump to be on time for any of his rallies?

Right. No, I think he's technically... Put the volume down on this one just a little bit, because I can't control volume like we normally do, but if we hear Trump start talking, we'll bring it back up. I'm surprised this is the music choice. I love it. I disagree profoundly,

but I already made my case so many times. It's very relaxing. It makes you want to wait. You know, the thing is, the last time I remember this kind of significant moment on Spaces was when DeSantis announced. And, you know, if you guys remember, that Spaces didn't go smoothly. It crashed three or four times.

I think they had to relaunch it at one point. And so it does make me a little bit nervous. Not that I'm rooting against you, Elon, obviously. Good luck with everything. I'm just kind of a boomer and sort of technophobic. So the fact that this is going to be so massive, and I don't know if the infrastructure is there. If it crashes, you're going to see all these left-wing media headlines that are like, everything they do fails. It's going to be so overdramatic. We're already having people say they're unable to access it.

So yeah, I'm just going to mute the music. I have no way to control volume on this thing, so... Wait. Is it happening? Did you mute it? Well, don't mute it. Just put it at like 10% or something so we can... It can't get any quieter than that? Is what?

Oh, wow. Like when it's normally when they do live stuff on YouTube youtube you can like turn it down yeah people already super chatting saying they can't get in you can you can see on the screen if you want to pull this up it's just it's crashing it goes back and forth from listening to the details available so i got in like literally, holy crap, 4.3 million already. And it's not working. You think you would have learned from the DeSantis interview and how much of a disaster that was. Maybe they'd prepare for this one.

It's even bigger than I expected. Yeah. And that was, I mean, almost, what, two years ago, almost three at this point. So I can understand where, you know, if you're, if you are the Trump campaign and the Musk team saying, you know, hey, things are better. We've worked out some of the issues. Spaces are such a regular part of activity on X at this point. I mean, we have Josie, the redheaded libertarian,

who does stuff with Tim Kass there. Maybe things are just better, but it makes me nervous. Well, Elon invited him to do this interview. Yeah. I would think that he would have it, you know, set. Yeah, Elon invited him to do this interview. Yeah. Then he, I would think that he would have it, you know, set. Yeah, Elon's in the space, it looks like, but it is not going. I don't know what that little dot means. Maybe this is one

of Elon's son's bands, and they're just playing it out so we can get this. I'm going to be pumped. I feel like it's the same 30 seconds on loop. No, there's still, there's some percussion that comes in. Oh, okay. I'm so glad we have a music consultant here. Do you use Xs for any of your work?

Yes, we do. Yeah, actually, we had a grassroots think tank a couple weeks ago talking about the GOP platform, and we had input from the grassroots. It was over 5,000 viewers. Roger Stone joined the space and everything. He's cool. A lot of people are saying they couldn't get in. And, well, that's good.

So we're going to be, I'll just mute it for a second. I mean, we're planning on doing light commentary on this. And, you know, based on what they talk about. But I suppose that works out for a lot of people who are actually unable to access it. And you want to hear it. So, you know, we can reamplify that. But it's late. X is waiting music, not Trump's.

Oh, really? Oh, well. But it says. No, I don't think so. It says Trump's speaking. Yeah. Yeah. I just like it as rallies when he comes out

to you know be an American or like some of these other songs Trump does have sort of a musical genre that I now associate with him I don't know if that's been any of y'all's experience and always get what you want patriotic theme we do have this commercial that Trump posted

so while we're waiting we can talk about the return he's back Trump has returned. The Washington Post says the revival of the former president's account on X offers him a bigger audience and also provides a boost for Elon Musk's platform. Now, the funny thing is, I don't know who said it might have been one of the Krasensteins. I don't know. They said that. No, no. Who was it? Who was it? Kyle Kalinske, maybe saying that incoming truth social lawsuit against Trump? I don't know any Trump supporter who owns DJT stock is going to sue because he went on X.

Like maybe an institutional investor. I doubt it. Like I got. What would the law just. You're supposed to only use. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

He supposedly. Well, he's the owner. And by going on X, he's basically abandoning a company which people invested in. And so the stock, I mean, I'm wondering, I'll check DJT right now. Is there like a time limit on it though,

maybe? Like for this amount of years I won't use Twitter? That's what it was supposed to be, I think. Yeah, I think it's going to be tough too because they have to prove damages. So by Trump going on to X,

can they prove that that actually damaged Truth Social? Right. It feels a little thin to me, to be honest. DJT is down 5% today. I don't know if that even means anything or matters. Yeah, I don't know. It's not huge, but it's not insignificant.

Rumble saw a big jump. What did Rumble do? I don't know. Oh, and BuzzFeed jumped a lot. Shout out to the Vague. I'm sure that was all you. Yeah, did they like announce a partnership? He just bought more socks and somebody's like,

there we go. That's it, man. The thing is, by using a spaces, and you're an actual lawyer, so tell me if I'm wrong here, but using spaces, especially when you're invited on by Elon Musk, feels different than just going back to posting regularly on X. I mean, as far as I know, Truth Social doesn't offer this type of, you know,

Yeah, there's a difference between using your account on X versus like you've been invited for an X space. It's not working. I have a feeling they're going to relaunch and it's going to be just like with Ron DeSantis. You got 110,000 people trying to get in. It's numbers going down. The space is not working and nobody can get in. I'm seeing libs of TikTok can't get in. Laura Loomer saying she trying to get in. It's numbers going down. The space is not working. And nobody can get in. I'm seeing libs of TikTok can't get in.

Laura Loomer saying she can't get in. Shane Cashman says having trouble logging in. How long until Trump's like, it's such an exclusive event. People can't get in. I just can't imagine they didn't have a contingency. Glenn Beck is saying it crashed. Spaces are down. How many views does that have at this point?

They broke it. They broke Twitter. They broke X. crashed spaces are down how many views does that have at this point they they broke they they broke it they broke twitter they have broken broke x maybe this is good because that way he can be like okay join me now on true social yeah well unfortunately unlike trump rallies you can't say like people are watching from outside they can't get in but they're still watching yeah it looks like it hit like 123 000 people and now the number of people who are in it are leaving i i wouldn't be surprised if they relaunched like what they did with ReSantis. With ReSantis. DeSantis.

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has made me think of when Kamala had hers like bright green to like mock the or to mimic the brat cover. All right. Well, we should watch it. I wish they didn't have the music playing to be completely honest. Oh, you and me both, my friend. But I think probably because I just

don't like it and you guys are. All right. Well, I'll keep an eye on if it. Well, just because with the music playing, it's fine. Okay, look, Elon Musk just popped in. Is there still no sound? You turn the sound? He's muted.

Seems like he's muted himself. Yeah. Yeah, so I just muted the tab. Because if the music wasn't playing, we could leave it running. Yeah. Jump to any other article and then come back. So they're late. They're very late.

And, you know. This is a way to mute just the music oh look at that other people are seeing me in the top next to Elon Musk look at that well I hope that's okay that's cool right next to Donald Trump I'm gonna tell you guys everyone is saying that it crashed that's it congratulations there we go how about we do this? I'm going to 155,000 people currently in the room. 45,000 comments. 45,000 comments.

Can't open. The app does not work. Man, Kyle Kalinske's losing his mind. He's getting so mad about everything. It used to be so much more chill. Yeah, it's crashed. All right, we'll just jump to this story then, and then we'll come back as soon as it pops up.

We've got it running in the background. The moment they start speaking, we'll get it. But let's jump ahead. We kind of get the idea on Donald Trump's return. So this is one of the tweets that he posted. Are you better off now than you were when I was president? Our economy is shattered. Our border has been erased. We're a nation in decline. Make the American dream affordable again. Make America safe again. Make America great again. And then this is funny. Brian Krasenstein. Hey, how about that? Here he jumps in and I don't care to read what he has to say. But of course,

he's the reply guy. He's the reply guy. Here's the big news around this. Let's pull this one up. How do you pronounce this guy's name? Theory Brayton? Yeah. Theory is really. Theory?

Yeah. Yeah. He's the commissaire European, and it says he released this letter as there is a risk of amplification of potentially harmful content in the EU flag. In connection with events with major audiences around the world, I sent this letter to Elon Musk. Who wants to read this? This ridiculous, long-winded, it's like, the only thing I can think is, what's that meme where it's like, I'm sorry this happened to you, or that's great, whichever. You know what I'm talking about? It's called Too Long Didn't Read. great, whichever. You know what I'm talking about? That's called too long, didn't read.

Right, exactly. TLDR. TLDR. But he's basically saying that, look at this long-winded garbage. We have a law that says you can't misinform people. That notably means ensuring on one end the freedom of expression, blah, blah, blah. As you know, formal proceedings are already ongoing against acts under the DSA, notably in areas linked to the dissemination of illegal content and the effectiveness of the measures taken to combat disinformation.

As the relevant content is accessible to EU users and being amplified also in our jurisdictions, we cannot exclude potential spillovers into the EU. Therefore, we are monitoring for potential risks of the EU, blah, blah. Dude, shut your mouth. Jeez. Look at this long-winded garbage. We get it. Well, let's see.

Where are we at? Still just placeholder music. So let me play this for you. Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tonight. Turn that up a little bit, or where are we at? I don't know if the president is going to tune in. Feel free to say if he is or not. But I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue.

It's an America issue. What role does the White House or the president have in sort of stopping that or stopping the spread of that or sort of intervening in that? Some of that was about campaign misinformation, but you know, it's a wider thing, right? Yeah, no, and you've heard us talk about this many times from here about the responsibilities that social media platforms have when it comes to misinformation, disinformation. Don't have anything to read out from here about specific ways that we're working on it, but we believe that, that they have the responsibility. These are private companies, so we're also mindful of that too. Yeah, blah, blah. We get it. We get it. Are we live yet? Nope.

I mean, now they're 12 minutes late. I mean, that's just a little bit too much, I got to tell you. But, you know, Trump's always late for rallies. This is a bit different. This is scheduled programming. But there you go. Outside of the EU letter, you've got journalists basically saying that what Elon is doing is basically is basically wrong. And in this article from The Guardian, as an ex Twitter boss, I have a way to grab Elon Musk's attention. If he keeps stirring unrest, get an arrest warrant. It cannot be right that Musk can sow discord without personal risk. He's a jet setter.

Perhaps fear of unexpected detention will concentrate his mind. Well, they made the Ministry of Truth. It didn't last too long. Yeah. Very reminiscent of that. I mean, it's obvious that there is a bias in the way they're targeting Elon Musk. They don't say this to other news broadcasters. They don't say this to other people to say it to conservative leaning or people who are sympathetic to conservative causes in the UA, in the EU and in America. And I think this is something that people are going to get really sick of.

For me, it's, you know, the EU has sort of always been a monster. The fact that they have decided that they are a coalition government, they get to tell each country how to live. And in this case, they get to tell private private businesses that don't even aren't even based in their country uh we're going to monitor you and tell you how to operate because you know theoretically a third of uh the users on x are based in europe uh this seems to the beginning of the dystopian end to me but i don't know if any thoughts on it right yeah as a lawyer to hear that journalist ask what's the rules of the White House in this disinformation, quote unquote, is really appalling because the government should have no say in what's true or not as far as speech is concerned. We did see the Biden administration having a say in that they were

feeding Twitter executives what they should or shouldn't be deleting or censoring, but really that the government should have no role whatsoever in curtailing speech, whether they agree with it or not. That's what they're trying to do here, though, is if it's speech that they disagree with, they don't like, well, then the government should step in and stop it. But if it's speech we like, even if others don't like it, it's okay because we like it. Right. If you're not saying the lines that we think are okay. And I think especially, so one of the things is the European Union Commissioner had referenced the recent violent in the United Kingdom, right? But we know that a lot of the mainstream media reporting on

that is heavily biased, right? Anyone who is protesting the presence of illegal immigrants within the UK, you know, they're racist and anybody who's against it is anti-racist. So wait, actually, there's a lot more complexity and nuance to that situation. And so much of what this is saying is like, we have decided on a narrative and anyone who questions our narrative is a threat to us, and therefore we will do anything we can to restrict your speech. Well, yeah, in the EU, it's basically if you're against the EU and what they want, you're anti-democracy. If you agree with them, then you're pro-democracy and you must crush the anti-democracy folks. And so if there's a Muslim gang or riot, then we don't really report on that,

that's okay. But if there's a quote unquote far right protest who's peaceful and they're just saying, hey, we don't really like what's going on. You can crush them and tell the police to stay out of it because they're anti-democracy. And so to see the EU send this letter, a bunch of award salad, essentially, is a big joke. And it's to control American politics, right? Elon Musk is talking to Donald Trump, who is running for reelection in America. No one is asking Europe to be a part of this. European listeners are not required to be a part of this space to then come in and say, like, well, we're going to pay attention and restrict this because we've decided you might upset people that we are trying to brainwash. Like, be more transparent.

Unless I recall, we fought a war so that we don't have to care what Europe thinks about what we do. It's pretty brutal. 15 minutes in. And I mean, I don't know if they're waiting for people because people are trying to get in and can't there's apparently 200 plus thousand people currently watching live in this x space not to mention there's a couple live streams on youtube with 30 to 40k we've got 55k this may be one of the biggest live audiences for a political speech if they're able to get it off the ground. And not to mention, I'm assuming on Rumble, too, they've got this rolling on a bunch of channels.

So we're just we're just waiting as the thing glitches out. Do we know what they're going to talk about? Have they been specific in what their their topics are? I don't think so. So does the EU letter come out as a like, stay away from certain things? Don't talk about migration or anything we could deem hate speech? Like, is this a warning shot to say stay away from certain topics we don't like? That seems like.

So it looks like what's happening is they're trying to add server space. I don't know if this is correct, but people are noticing that it's hitting a wall like 120 and then starting to go down and then jumping up to 200. And so this may be that they're putting a hold on it for the time being as they try to expand server space to be able to get more and more people in. I think they just need to go because we're 17 minutes in and it's getting a bit brutal. A bit brutal. So they haven't started yet. Nope. It's not going somewhere and we're just not seeing it.

No, I mean this is it. This music is it. I'm going to place a bet. I'm going to say yet. It's not going somewhere and then we're just not seeing it. No, I mean, this is it. This music is it. I'm going to place a bet. I'm going to say 8.30 is when they'll actually start. I wouldn't be surprised if part of their plan all along was to have a certain amount of, you know, delay time while the room fills up. I mean, you know, I'm sure any major candidate would want to make a good entrance, right? You don't want to enter a room and be the first one there. On the other hand,

how late are they planning to go? And if it's already crashing right now, once you start... And I don't know anything about the technology behind this, but does that mean that at any point during the conversation we could get these kind of drops and delays?

Because that, to me, really fragmented the conversation. Indeed. I'm going to continue to vamp until this happens. We have no details. What do you want them to talk about tonight? Alex Jones' coverage crashed with 330 viewers. Yeah, but you've got to understand about X.

The X live streams don't track concurrent viewers. So there's a huge difference. When you see, like, right now we've got about 60K, 50,000, 59,000 some odd on X. You'll see this. We did a multi stream of the debate and it said we had 750,000 and people were actually like, wow, look at it. No, no, no, no, no.

That the peak concurrence actually around 20 some odd thousand. YouTube was like, I don't know, like 80 or 90 or something. So, you know, some people think Elon did that intentionally, changed the live viewer count from concurrent viewerships to total viewership. So it looks higher. So it looks like it's much, much bigger relative. Or he wanted a real-time view count. You can make whatever inference you want.

But, yeah, so 19 million views already huh 19 million let's uh whoever wrote that song must be so thrilled right now yeah 20 20.2 million views and only a couple hundred thousand people are currently are currently in and it looks like yeah alex jones 341 000 total views on his uh live stream carter what kind of music would you have written for a prequel to a Donald Trump, Elon Musk interview? Because this doesn't feel like Donald Trump to me. Like, I get that it's kind of a fun elevator. It does feel like X, though.

Oh, yeah, that's true. X meets Trump, maybe. It doesn't feel like meets Trump to me. It just feels like sort of tech world to me. Trump would need like a guitar, maybe, some kind of country theme to it, I think. He loves playing Proud to Be an American and he loves playing Tiny Dancer.

Like something from the 90s or 80s. When he got in the Cybertruck with Aiden Ross, he picked California Dreamin'. And I wholly, wholly endorse that selection. That is a great song. It is amazing how much of his campaign, you know, music is actually, I think, a big subtle part of his campaign. There is a type of playlist you're expecting Trump to come out with. Or maybe I'm just thinking that because Obama just released

his summer playlist and I thought it was terrible. There's one song I can't wait to see. So we got a breaking update here. Elon Musk has tweeted, for those that are just tuning in, we are currently waiting for the live interview with Donald Trump and Elon update here. Elon Musk has tweeted, for those that are just tuning in, we are currently waiting for the live interview with Donald Trump and Elon to begin. Elon Musk tweets, there appears to be a massive DDoS attack on X working on shutting it down. Worst case, we will proceed with a smaller number

of live listeners and post the conversation later. Wow, can't say I'm surprised. The EU drafted a letter threatening Elon Musk. Others have called for his arrest over this. They do not want this interview to happen. So it seems extremely likely that there is a massive distributed denial of service attack. It's where they flood the website with requests. It's the easiest way to explain it. Actually, let me see if I can find a picture here to find an image to help you understand what we're currently looking at. Ah, yes, I have an image here to help you explain what a DDoS is.

And it's basically, the way you want to visualize it is this. This is the door to Twitter, and all of these oversized novelty germs are trying to get in at the same time, and they can't. That is effectively what a distributed denial of service attack is. Shout out to Richie Jackson if he's watching, as a Simpsons reference. So that's basically what's going on right now, and that's why we're stuck. I'm assuming, I think you were right, Mark, about nine minutes they just say, let's roll the interview with what we have. And then they're going to say not that many people actually listen to Donald Trump and the live interview. And this is a way to diminish the reach and the impact of what may be one of the biggest interview moments ever.

Definitely one of the most highly anticipated. I think people really want to see direct conversations between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. And, you know, tomorrow you will see reports that this is a sign that Elon Musk is a, you know, bad, has bad leadership and X, Twitter, whatever, is falling apart under him. And really, I don't think that's true. This is going, you know, I hate to say, but any kind of technological issues or glitches in this interview are actually going to be both a comment on Trump's campaign, but also a referendum on Elon Musk for the mainstream media. But it also shows that the globalists are terrified to hear this interview in the first place. If it was a CNN interview, NBC, MSLSD, they wouldn't do anything. They wouldn't say anything.

They wouldn't complain. In fact, they would be cheering it on. They'd say, yeah, we want to hear this. We want to hear Trump get sticking to him. But this, Elon Musk, who's endorsed President Trump after the assassination attempt, interviewing President Trump, so two men of influence and power who support Christianity and the Western culture, being interviewed, you can't have that. We're going to attack it.

Uncontrolled. Exactly. You know, the other question, I got to lean towards distributed denial of service attacks. Some people are saying that this is just, you know, liberals are saying Elon was unprepared. It's not working because X can't handle it because Elon isn't good at this. Kyle Kalinske said he's a moron or something like that. And he doesn't know what he's doing. But considering that the EU made this threat, you have to believe that there's powerful interests in various countries who are like, shut it down.

Elon's not going to be able to compete with that. What I think they're trying to do with this event, and Donald Trump, of course, Team Trump has called for a big fundraiser. I think they want to rival what they saw with white dudes for Kamala. And what was the other one? Was it women for Kamala or whatever? Yeah, they had women for Kamala. I think they even had specifically women of color for Kamala. What did they end up raising?

Like 10 million or some big number? I think in total they're saying they've raised like, one of them raised like over 50 million. 50? 50 million. On one stream? I'll double check right now. I don't think so.

Because I think they were like nine or something. Yeah. But here's the thing. They kept saying that this was like, they had 180,000 people join. And I'm like, right. They're talking about concurrent viewership. That's not, like that's just any big live stream. Donald Trump's already well, well larger than that.

And with over 20 million views, substantially larger than that. So let's let's see if they can get to work. But in the meantime, I am willing to bet there are powerful interests aligned with Democrats and other foreign actors that are doing this intentionally to stop Donald Trump. When you look at, let's just call it certain nonprofit organizations back in 2016 that were really interested and maybe even connected to the person running for president, the Democrat, a lot of money stopped getting donated to those nonprofits once Donald Trump won. So there's probably a lot of financial interests that are tied up in this. Don't know, don't care. If Trump wins, they lose money. And so what does that mean?

They're going to spend money to disrupt anything that might benefit Donald Trump. So I'm not surprised that we're at this point right now. No, I think people really are fearful of Donald Trump in what I think is a deeply irrational way. But this is the reality of almost a decade of fear-mongering about Donald Trump in what I think is a deeply irrational way. But this is the reality of almost a decade of fear mongering about Donald Trump. When did he first announce his campaign? In 2015.

And ever since then, it's like no matter what he does, it is the end of all times, even if it's good. I mean, I'm sure we'll get to this later. We got another update from Elon. He says, we tested the system with 8 million concurrent listeners earlier today wow so the site is being attacked ladies and gentlemen let me say for those that are watching live right now witnessing history uh man you know guys i just want to i want to tell you something this is so crazy it's like here we are this we are we are in it when you read the history books and you learned of the presidential debates in the, you know, 19 whatever early 1900s and the war, it felt no, say, World War II and things like that. But it is all the same.

I mean, perhaps you might argue, no, World War II was way bigger. Well, where they were at the time, when they were doing radio broadcasts and writing stories for, you know, Life magazine, perhaps, which we have all the copies of. It's interesting to read those. When they didn't know about D-Day, when they didn't know the U.S. would get involved in World War II, when they didn't know that Hitler was going to expand or that there was going to be the blitz and things like this. They were sitting there having these conversations. What you are listening to right now is exactly that moment that people will write about.

And here we are three months out from the election. Elon Musk, the wealthiest guy on the planet, with one of the biggest social media platforms talking to the front runner and the website is currently under a cyber attack to shut down the conversation welcome to history ladies and gentlemen what more could i say to that just that music this music will be in the historical record i know there's gonna be some 10 year old kids 200 years from now and the teacher is gonna be like now here's a trivia question for bonus points. Who can name the billionaire tech CEO who hosted the failed interview with front runner Donald Trump in the 2024 election just before the second civil war started? I had to add that last part. I think that there's going to be journalists who hear this music and

are automatically sent back to this moment in time as they like rip their laptops and are like, please, I'm just trying to get a story out. PTSD. Well, when they mention the text billionaire, they're also going to say who also is a Nazi sympathizer, by the way. It's going to be crazy. I mean, I mean, 10 years from now. And I do think without being dramatic, this election will really say what course some of history is going to go in. But I think some

of the way that at least some progressive historians will look back on this moment is like, yes, good job to those DDoS attackers who really prevented the worst moment in history. They'll think that they have done good because there is such a fear around having these two people talk. Again, to me, this is irrational and it's the production of fear mongering that's lasted over the last you know eight years but you know there are people who feel like there there is uh there is justification in trying to prevent trump from reaching a mass audience yeah you know elon says they tested to eight million concurrence and i believe him i because after what happened with ron desantis and Elon is running a business, he's not going to this happen again. But some people are asking if he can just do a live stream and then broadcast that to X with what other people are doing.

But he's trying to make it a space. Right, right, right. I wonder what server is getting hit that's shutting down spaces. That vulnerability, man. I don't know what they could have done to mitigate if this is a beaten switch where it's like we're going to be doing this live on bro no but but but that would that so what happens with ronda santos is they launch that you know massive of a campaign event this is it crashes so they relaunch it everyone's gone yeah very very unimpactful. Threw everybody for a loop.

And if... I have to imagine that Elon prepared for this. So I don't know what to tell you. Elon is trying to make it a space. They must be hitting him somewhere where he didn't expect it. I don't know what you can do. We can sit here and listen to this music.

We have 93,000 comments now. That's crazy, right? 93,380 comments so far, only making the DDoS worse, probably. Right, well, it's interesting, too, because people are probably refreshing and refreshing trying to find this,

hoping that in one second it'll be, you know, one refresh away from being live. Yeah, they don't want to be the one to miss it, or if Elon Musk, you know, he said we're going to maybe do it to a limited number of live listeners. They're hoping that they get to be in. Well, if this doesn't prove enough.

Whoa, my app is freaking out. even have an interview with Elon Musk. The biggest free speech war in the tech industry. We are obviously in a political war and conservatives start acting like it instead of saying things like, no, the left means well, they just disagree with us. No, they actually hate you and they want to destroy you and censor you. It's also interesting that you get this immediate contrast between the technology that conservatives and sort of this new emerging right wing party in America is choosing to use versus the Democrats and Kamala Harris. Elon Musk has announced they will be proceeding at 8.30 Eastern, which is any moment. And a lot of people are tweeting that were able to actually just to get in.

So it's 8.30 now. I don't know how much more of the music is. 30 minutes of it. What is this? I'm going to hear this in my nightmares from now on, this music. I don't know why. I'm just really not into it. But just to finish my point, Kamala Harris has raised a lot of money by holding Zoom calls.

And at the beginning of COVID, Zoom was really criticized because it has ties to foreign governments or security concerns to China. Surges in Mao Zedong. or security concerns to China, if Serge is mouthing something. And so it is interesting that she's able to successfully use this platform that actually is somewhat controversial, although sewn into the fabric of a lot of people's daily online and business lives, whereas Trump is trying to use something that is based in America. And, you know, he's being... Holy crap, ladies and gentlemen, there's 454,000 people in this space right now on X. 559,000 people now live in the X space.

Holy crap. This is like, I don't know, man. Maybe the least amount of news we've discussed on a show in a long time. 97,000 comments, 580,000, but you are witnessing internet history right now with Donald Trump X spaces. They said they're going to be 830. Now they're still late, but it looks like they solved some of the problem. And now the numbers up to 580,000 people actively listening on this space. Outside of the 75k we've got on YouTube. 614,000 now actively

in the space. Hope the music's public domain. Looks like it's working. On my app I was able to easily get in. You got in? Here we go, baby. 650,000 now it says on the app. Let's go. 100,000 comments. 100,000 comments, baby. 650,000 now it says on the app. Let's go. 100,000 comments.

100,000 comments, man. What's the biggest, what's the record for spaces so far? Does anyone know? No. I'm pretty sure this is it. Prior to this, like what was the largest space? 685K is what it says on my app right now for active listeners. They're going to hit over a million people.

Wow. Tested for 8 million. I'm also good. Tested for 8 million. What if they get more than 2 million? The current number is 710,000 concurrent listeners right now. Wow, dude. And we're just sitting here listening to this weird music.

710,000. All right, let's go. What's next? What's next? Currently up to 738,000 viewers. They added an extra beat to the music, so I think that means it's progressing along. Right. They said 8.30.

It's 8.33. Guys. Guys, we don't got all day. Nah, we'll wait. We wait for Trump and Elon Musk any day. Any day. Especially considering a DDoS attack. There's nothing wrong.

They're just sitting there like... On the app, 7.59. Let's crack a million, boys! Let's go! Maybe that's what they're waiting for. They're like, we'll give it another minute. See if we get to a million, boys! Let's go! Maybe that's what they're waiting for. They're like, we'll give it another minute, see if we get to a million. I mean, Trump kind of built the suspense

by not being on X for two years. Yeah, dude. So it's like, oh, what was that? Loop. It's Trump's triumphant return to X. History in the making. Now, do y'all think that Trump will use X moving forward? Yeah.

He has to. He has to. I don't. I think he's going to, you know, hold out. We might get a couple more posts more frequently. But I don't,

I honestly feel like he is unlikely to ever return to it the way he did before. I think big posts maybe, but not regular. Like we got a campaign video today. We might get more of that. He might give one or two comments here or there if something

big happens. But, you know, for the most part I think he'll stay on through social. I think he'll be on next because he has to. Well, yeah. We say this, but, you know, he hasn't had to so far. Yes, he has. Well, he'll be on there. When he did that press conference, yes, when he did that press conference

and he was like, Kamala's not smart enough to do an interview, and she's doing these huge rallies, and her polls are going up, and the only response from Trump supporters is, it's all fake, don't listen to it. I'm like, the Trump campaign's certainly taking it seriously with this press conference, and there's a reason why they're doing this interview

now. Trump's realizing he's got to pull back the press cycle. He's got to be on X. But he's got a certain amount of nukes in his arsenal. This was the biggest weapon he had. The return to X right before they were waiting for the right moment to make it big. 807,000. Are we here?

809 on the Twitter app says. But I stand by like, you know, he may post more campaign stuff. We might get press releases that come out on X, but the way Trump was on X when it was Twitter, you know, and sort of the casual access, I just don't see him ever coming back to it the same way. But if he did. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

I do agree with you there, but I don't know if Trump understands that when he posted the Coca-Cola company is mad at me, that's okay, I'll keep drinking that garbage anyway. That's what people loved. He's tried posting some memes and some of the memes they've posted have not been that good. And so I think they need to understand it was those those tweets from Trump 12 years ago. Where what was it? What was the other one that he had?

I've never seen a thin person drink Diet Coke. Like that's what I'm going to keep drinking that garbage. Well, that was the other one. All had? I've never seen a thin person drink Diet Coke. Like, that's what we want. He's like, I'm gonna keep drinking that garbage. Well, that was the other one. Alright, so they turned the music off. Thank goodness. And we're currently at, let's see, on the Twitter app, we've got 854,000

concurrent listeners. This is wild. This is absolutely wild. Let's see's see come on ladies and gentlemen we're uh we're waiting we're waiting everybody's waiting all right the number has gone up trump has muted the music at any moment now they're gonna start talking 868 000 oh yeah i don't see elon musk in there i mean now that it's big and it's working, he better not leave. Charlie Kirk says the music has stopped.

Thank goodness. Sorry. The DDoS was compromised. In Europe, the commissioners who are running censorship are going like, make it stop. No, it's like semi-techno dance music, right? They're probably all feeling relaxed. They're like, maybe this isn't as bad as we think it's going to be. It's lo-fi. Maybe they're lighting up a joint. They want a million.

They want a million. They got 884,000 right now. I think they want a million in there. They want to be able to say they launched to a million concurrent listeners for the biggest political speech ever. Are Trump and Musk together? I know they're going to

appear in the space together but are we gonna hear both their voices through trump's profile they are and that's why um because that's what might have been why elon didn't have to stay in it 894 000 because in that way you get the sense that you're feel you really are getting a uh an insight into a private conversation between elon musk and donald trump which I think that would be really impactful. So it's interesting, too, is sure we can say that right now, checking again, 903,000 listeners concurrent in the space. But don't forget, we've got 78K right now watching live on YouTube, waiting for this to kick on, who are going to be listening as well.

So that number is probably well over a million with all the other live streams combined. This is over a million so far to hear Donald Trump speak. And we are probably only two minutes away from this number cracking one million. It's currently at 912,000. I think they're going to wait for a million. I think Donald Trump was like, I want a million people. I think it'll happen at 855. 855? Yeah. I got to tell you, for anybody trying to listen to this on iTunes and Spotify later, they're going to be like, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward. What happened next? What happened next? But that's the thing about live streams, man. We are currently in the historical moment. So 919,000 listeners right now. There's something interesting about live

that you can't get on a podcast or a recording. So when I used to go on the ground and film these big protest events, nothing's really happening, what's really going on, but you never know. At a moment's notice, history could happen. And that's the big difference here as we're sitting here absorbing the gradual increase. We are now at 930,000 concurrent listeners. Elon Musk is back. Oh, he is. we are now at 930,000 concurrent listeners. And you look, I'll say that right now.

Elon Musk is back. Yeah, he's back. We got 80,200 concurrent views on the YouTube alone. Trump is muted. That's it. That's over 1 million with just this show and Elon Musk. Congratulations to everybody listening for being a part of history.

Well, you said made me think of a lot when he was here because he had been, he's our on the ground reporter for 942 News. and he had been on the ground at the Trump rally. And he said, you know, I've covered a million of them and it seemed totally standard. And so I saw that Jill Biden was about to speak in Pittsburgh. So I left to go there because I thought I would see protesters, which means he just narrowly missed the assassination attempt. I mean, 948. This is the challenging call. I think a lot of people who cover live events have to make it's it's they're they're at 950 right now. I'm checking the X app. It's different from what we see on the screen because the the lag on the browser. But we are

we are almost to one million concurrent. This is 952,000, ladies and gentlemen, on X waiting for Donald Trump to speak. He's got a million people at a Trump rally right now with Elon Musk. This is nuts. And they do say, I mean, I reference this all the time, but this year was described as the election was being held on a virtual battlefield. So having a million people online is pretty wild. Well, I heard Kamala Harris had millions at her last rally. So this is getting close, but not quite. Yeah. Yeah.

I've heard she's really smart and we're all going to get a great platform one of these days. Except for the stuff she's borrowing from Trump. She's very popular. She'll probably get over 81 million votes. Maybe 90 million. I want to see where the Elon Musk said is 830.

They're waiting for a million, aren't they? That's what I feel like they're doing at this30. They're waiting for a million, aren't they? That's what I feel like they're doing at this point. They're waiting for a million. That's okay. I mean, he did give us an update at one point. They said they were going to do it. 960K. It's been at 960K for about a minute.

I can't even see a number anymore on my app. 961K. We're seeing now on the website here. My app just went down to 959. So this might be the upper limit. They need to start speaking. Otherwise, people are going to start leaving. It's 841.

It's pretty nice. They call it Donald J. Trump space. Donald J., yeah. Fundraiser space. From navigating headlines. Fentanyl poisoning more prevalent Donald Tate, yeah, a fundraiser space. Then translates into something physical as well as something chemical in your brain. Critical and relevant information to help you navigate through life. It leads to a higher degree of success. Fill in the blanks. Available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Let's see where we're at. Currently, has it gone up? 961. 961 seems relatively stable. On the website, we see 965. So any moment now they're gonna start talking we hope i just i think it's funny like elon's probably watching this with trump and they're like no make him wait don't don't don't talk yet i'm sure it's actually something substantially

more innocuous like trump's car was late could be no think, I think for sure it's the DDoS and they were like, we can't start because it's not working. And so now that, uh, they did, now that they've got it, it should, they should be going for it. They should be going for it. All right. Hello everyone. Um, so my apologies for the late start. Uh, we unfortunately had a massive, uh massive distributed denial of service attack against our servers and saturated all of our data lines. Like basically hundreds of gigabits of data were saturated. We think we've overcome most of that. And so it's not time to proceed. But as this massive attack illustrates, there's a lot of opposition to people just hearing what President Trump has to say. And so but I'm honored to have this conversation.

I want to emphasize it's a conversation. And it's really intended to just get a feel for what Donald Trump is just like in a conversation. It's hard to catch a vibe about someone if you just don't hear them talk in a normal way. And when there's an adversarial interview, like no one's themselves in an adversarial interview. And this is really aimed at kind of open-minded, independent voters who are just trying to make up their mind. And so you can understand, like, what is it just like to have a conversation? So, Donald, great to speak. We had a great conversation yesterday. As you mentioned yesterday, if we could just record that conversation and post it, it would have been excellent.

I hope we can have something like that today. Well, I think we will. I'm pretty sure we will. And congratulations, because I see you broke every record in the book. So many millions of people. And it's's an honor we view that as an honor and then uh you do want silencing of certain voices usually those are voices that have something to say that are constructive oftentimes constructive and so we have to consider it an honor. But congratulations on breaking every record in the book tonight. That's great. Well, thank you.

Well, maybe we could start off with, I mean, the assassination attempt, which was an incredible thing. And I have to say that, you know, your actions after that assassination attempt were inspiring. Instead of shying away from things, instead of ducking down, you were pumping your fist in the air and saying, fight, fight, fight. And I think that's, I mean, the president of the United States represents America. And I think that is America, that is strength under fire. And so that's, you know, a big, you know, part of the reason why I was excited to endorse you as the President of the United States for having another term here is that was just incredibly inspiring. But,

I mean, what was it like for you not pleasant i said there was blood i had more blood i didn't know i had i didn't know i had that much blood the doctors later told me that the ear is a place that is uh a very bloody place if you're going to get hit but uh in this case, it was probably the best alternative you could even think about because it went at the right angle. And, you know, it was a hard hit. It was very, I guess you would say surreal, but it wasn't surreal. You know, I was telling somebody you have instances like this or like a lot less than this where you feel it's a surreal situation. And I never felt that way. I knew immediately that it was a bullet. I knew

immediately that it was at the ear. Yeah. And because it, you know, it hit very hard, but hit the ear. And I also heard people shout bullets, bullets, you know, get down, get down because I moved down pretty nicely, pretty quickly and we had bullets flying right over my head after I went down. So I'm glad I went down. The bigger miracle was that I was looking

in the exact direction of the shooter and so it hit me at an angle that was far less destructive than any other angle. So that was the miracle. That was for those people that don't believe in God. I think we got to all start thinking about that. You have to, you know, I'm, I'm a believer now. I'm more of a believer, I think. And a lot of people have said that to me. A lot of great people have said that to me actually, but it was, it was amazing that I happened to be turned just at that perfect angle. And all because I put down a chart on immigration that showed that the numbers were so great. I

love that chart even more now. Maybe it's a sign. Maybe that's a sign. It's an immigration sign. You highlighted a serious issue at that moment. The bullet missed your, you know, hit your ear, but, but, but, you know, missed your head. I mean, you're. Well, the amazing thing is that the sign, I said, bring down that sign on immigration. And it was literally about an eighth of a second where it would be good. And, and after that, it was going to be a disaster, no matter which,

which way you were facing, but it just had that perfect angle, which was exactly at this shooter. Very sad situation. Such a sad situation. As you know, we lost somebody that was great, Corey, a firefighter, a great gentleman, a great trumper. He was just a fantastic family and a fantastic man. And a friend of mine came up, Elon, and said, I'd like to give the family some kind of help. And I said, that's great. He said, do you mind? I said, I don't mind at all. And he wrote out a check for a million dollars, gave it to the wife. And, you know, she said, this is really nice, but I'd rather have my husband back, which is a nice thing for somebody to say, to be honest.

She's she's great. The family is great. And we raised a lot of money for them and for two other gentlemen who are unbelievable people. Also, they were hit really badly. They thought they were not going to make it. And they did. The doctors in the Butler area, I tell you, they were incredible. They saved the two, and they were really hit tough, both of them equally. And we thought—my first question was because I heard bullets flying over me. I said, how many people were killed? Because we had a massive crowd there, a tremendous—thousands and thousands of people. And there was no land. I mean, it was just—it was all people.

So I said, how many people have been killed? Because I knew there were other shots being fired. And they said, we don't know yet, but some people have been badly hurt. And I have to give the Secret Service sniper, they call him or sharpshooter, but sniper, because he didn't know there was a problem. He's an extraordinary shot, obviously, and he didn't know there was a problem. And he was able to pick and roll out within five seconds. And he used one bullet from very far away, I guess probably about 400 yards. The shooter was 130, but he was on the opposite side of the field and the podium. And he saw the smoke and the flame from the gun, immediately recognized it, and immediately

took a shot. And it was one perfect shot from very far away. And if he didn't do that, Elon, he would have, I mean, if he would have, a lot of people, a lot more people could have been badly hurt and killed. So I have to take my hat off to him because that's also surreal. You know, he's been with them for 23 years and he's never had anything like this. And all of a sudden he has to act. And it's a very tough thing to act and to be shooting somebody.

But he saw the uh he saw the gun saw the smoke saw the flame from the gun very far away i obviously has very good eyes he's got very good vision which i assume you have to have in that particular work but he uh he took aim very quickly and it was they say it was approximately five seconds from long range one bullet. If that didn't happen, because the shooter had a lot of bullets. He had a lot of cartridges up there with him. So it would have been great.

I mean, that's clearly, you know, he was very competent in taking that shot to stop the attempted assassination. But, I mean, there does seem to be, I mean, some pretty significant failings elsewhere in the system. Like, there's just no way that, like, how on earth does a shooter get on a roof 130 yards away? Great incompetence. That seems crazy. I think most people are wondering how on earth could such a thing happen. Well, you know, I view it as two ways.

There should have been nobody on the roof. There were people because there were so many tens of thousands of people there. There were people that were seeing him. And there was one woman with a red shirt and Trump all over it. And she's screaming, that guy's got a gun. You know, you saw it probably. There's a guy up there with a gun. It's like, I'm just, I guess, I mean, for my part, and I think probably many members of the public are wondering,

how the heck are, you know, basically people wandering by pointing out there's a guy on the roof with a gun. They're seeing it, but somehow it's not being addressed. That does seem crazy. Well, they're going to learn from this. The communication between the local police, who sort of had an idea, and then ultimately a man lifted himself up to the roof, could barely do it because he was pulling himself up. And he saw the man with the gun the man with the gun pointed the gun at him he thought he was probably going to get shot but you know he was like pulling himself up and because of that he

couldn't get to his gun and he fell down actually very badly hurt his leg, his ankle. I hear very badly, but he fell down. And he did, you know, from what I understand, he did say there's a guy up there with a gun and the shooting started very quickly after that. I think it forced the shooter to go maybe quicker. You know, it was supposed to be a very good shot. My sons,

Don and Eric, they can't believe what happened, but they said from 130 yards, a bad shot would hit that target almost every time. They said it's like in golf, thinking a two-foot putt. Yeah, it's not a tough shot.

It's not a long shot. Also, people say it sounds like he has a lisp. Yeah, it's a slush, not a l a long shot also the uh people say it sounds like he has a list person had the long shot it's a slush not a list triple the impression issue it sounds right so uh you know it was a a terrible thing look uh it it's hard i have to say this about the secret service when i went down and you know i went down based on i think they're screaming uh but other people also because people saw this happen you know, I went down based on, I think they're screaming, but other people also, because people saw this happen. You know, you had so many people. One of the miracles was that nobody ran. I mean, if a gun goes off, the crowd control people showed us this.

When guns go off, and it does happen in stadiums at a soccer match or some kind of a match, everybody flees. They call it a stampede, like cattle. But everybody, and a lot of people get killed. Everybody flees. They call it a stampede, like cattle. And a lot of people get killed with those stampedes. We had more people than you'd have at some of these matches or these games. And nobody left. You had a small group behind us in the grandstand, and that was full. And you look at it as it was taking place and normally they'd be running they didn't leave they saw that i was hurt they saw a lot of blood and they saw that i went down and it's almost like they wanted to be with me well out front you had thousands tens of thousands of people you as far

as the eye could see you had people in butler as far as the eye could see. And, and, uh, and a lot of press too. It was, you know, many cameras on watching this. It's what made, makes it so different because normally things happen that aren't good, but you never have a picture of it. Here we have all these cameras shooting it. So, uh, you know, sort of amazing. But one of the interesting things was that you didn't have anybody flee you didn't have anybody stampede nobody and there were some people behind me they stood up and they're looking like you know i mean i'll tell you you want to have you want to have them in a foxhole with you i want to meet some of those people because it's so different from what you heard but so so i was down but the secret

service guys there were bullets flying right over my head you could hear them go whizzing and yeah these guys came jumping on top of me and a young lady kate uh would jump they they moved so fast and let me tell you that took tremendous courage now there was a lack of coordination uh there was you know obviously everybody understands that somebody that that building should have been covered and yeah i mean i think that's like i mean looking at the aerial views that building would be like the number one spot for a sniper it's like it's like the if you were to pick like what is the favorite place what if you so the goal is to assassinate what's your favorite spot that building that building would be number one that would have been this it's like you couldn't you can ask for a better would be number one. That would have been the spot. It's like you couldn't, you couldn't ask for a better location. It's like, no, that would have been the spot.

You know what people think is when the local policeman, who, by the way, you know, he really, he did what he was supposed to do. He couldn't hold on any longer. And then when he got his head just peeking above, this guy standing there with a gun at his head. And when he fell down again hurt his ankle very badly but he was making the calls but what happened is the firing took place very soon so

what they think is that this guy ran to his site which he had all planned out with the gun he ran to the site and he started shooting fast and maybe that's why he sort of missed he got me but it could have been a much bigger problem but he totally would have hit if you hadn't turned your head it was

a very near thing it was a miracle, if I hadn't turned my head I would not be talking to you right now as much turned my head, I would not be talking to you right now. As much as I like you. Exactly. I would not be talking to you. Sounds like a dental work. Maybe from another realm.

Yeah, that's right. We'd be talking from a different place. It was very generous. It was a very terrible experience. The Butler Hospital, they did such a great job. The doctors were so good. Everybody was so good. There was a mistake.

If somebody knew, because people were hearing, you know, there was just a bad feeling that there was somebody was around. You know that story now. It's been. Yeah, yeah. And if somebody could have said, because they've oftentimes said, you know, like there'd be a lightning storm or something. Because I've done, I think, over 300. I think I did a lot more than that, but we did a lot. And oftentimes, they'll say, sir, could you wait 10 minutes, please?

Sir, could you wait 20 minutes? There's a storm overhead or lightning or something, right? And that happens often. And this would have been a perfect time for that to have happened, but it didn't get coordinated. That was the problem. Any reporting on this space is going to have to be... It was... Very good.

Actions in the heat of fire. What I find admirable there was that you can't fake bravery under such circumstances. The courage is instinctual or it is not. It's not a rehearsed action. And so I just want to say that I think a lot of people admire your courage under fire there. And yeah, so. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I didn't think of it. I just wanted to get up and I wanted to stand up. I wanted to let people know, you know, I felt I was good when they were on top of me, covering me, actually, very much covering me and very bravely.

But I wanted to get up. I said, I want to get up. And they wanted, you know, they have everything there. They wanted a stretcher. I didn't like the stretcher. And I knew I was hit in the ear, but I knew I wasn't hit anywhere else. They felt I was hit someplace else. It was such a lot of blood.

And they were sure that I was hit someplace else. And they were saying, sir, you were hitting more than the air. I said, nope, I was hit in the air. I want to get up. Let me get up. And so I got up and the crowd didn't know what to think. I mean, this was so, so many people and they did, you could see they were confused. They didn't know what to think. And I wanted to let them know know i was okay it was very important for me to let them know that and they went wild you you've seen the after they didn't go wild when i got up because they didn't know was i alive you really couldn't tell when i stood up before the hand before the know, the fist in the air, they didn't know if I was alive. Nobody did.

And when I put the fist up, they were just relieved and happy and thrilled. And the place went crazy. It was pretty amazing. It was a terrible thing, but it was incredible. It was incredibly moving. Well, and I mean, speaking of the sort of slide that got you to turn that saved your life, really, was the illegal immigration slide. Maybe it's worth talking about that. It was. That slide.

You're right. Illegal immigration saved my life. You're right. But it had to be at that exact angle. slide says you're right. Now the illegal immigration saved my life. You're right. But it was the exact angle. One point one million. That's a great one. Saved by illegal. You know, the the incredible thing, though, when you talk about the odds, you had to be exactly at that angle.

But but the incredible thing is that the chart I used it less than 20 percent of the time. It was just a moment. It's always on my left, never my right. And it's always at the end of the speech. So here we have it. It's on the right, not the left. It's at the beginning, not the end. And even the people that put it up, they were unprepared and they did a great job. They got it up immediately, fortunately. But I looked to the right and and the bullet and the bullet i didn't know that whizzing by hitting my ear staff went to the uh so it was amazing but when you think of the odds of that and yeah you know that that normally you wouldn't use it normally

i wouldn't have the thing and then you know it would have been a very different story It's very much, I say an act of God. It's a miracle that it happened, and I'm honored by it. I'm honored by it. Well, what were you about to say about illegal immigration before you were rudely interrupted? Well, I was going to say how good the numbers were. By the way, we're going back to Butler and we're going to go back in October. We're all set up and we're the people are fantastic in Butler. It's a big it's a great area. Great. These are incredible people like the three that in the case of Corey killed and the other two. The families are I get to know him a little bit and the families are great. But we're going back to Butlerler and uh i think i'll probably

start by saying uh as i was saying so horribly interrupted but yeah so rudely interrupted by it yeah but no but the chart some people have no matter elon the chart was just a chart that in my last week, we had the best illegal immigration numbers, meaning stopping. It was at the lowest. You've seen the chart. It's become quite a famous chart. But that was the lowest point ever recorded. It was a really, I mean, I was very proud of those numbers. And then you see what happened with these people, Kamala and Joe.

You see what happened. They just let it go. I had remain in Mexico policies. I had all these different policies that were so good. Guys like Tom Holman and Brandon Judd from Border Patrol. These are all people that they've been on television. It says the best numbers we've ever had. We had so many different checks, catch and release in Mexico, not the United States. We had catch and release in the United States. We had it in Mexico. We had so many things. We had things where if people, many people come in there, they have contagious diseases.

We had everything passed. If you have a contagious disease, I'm sorry, but we cannot allow you into the country. So we were setting literally records. And all I was doing is showing that. And I use it sometimes. And in this case, I'm glad I used it. I can tell you that. But there were fantastic numbers. But I'm going to sleep with that chart always. I'll be sleeping with that chart. That chart was very important, very important for a lot of reasons. Well, I mean, I mean, would it be accurate to, would it be accurate to say that you're supportive of legal immigration? Um, but that we, but we obviously need to shut down illegal immigration,

uh, and especially unvetted illegal immigration because you, you know, and that's not the same as saying that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is bad. In fact, I think most people who are illegal immigrants are actually good. But you can't tell the difference unless there's a solid betting of who comes across the border. Does that actually represent your position? I say it very simply. They have to come in legally.

They have to be checked. Because look, Kamala was the border czar. Now she's denying it. Everything that I do, she's saying she was strong on the border. We're going to be strong. She doesn't have to say. She could close it up right now. They could do things right now.

It's horrible. No tax on tips. And all of a sudden she's making a speech and there will be no tax on tips. I said that months ago. And by the way, they had just the opposite. You know, they had not only tax on tips, but they hired 88,000 IRS agents and many of them were assigned to go get waitresses and caddies and all of this on tips. They have a policy. They had a policy that we're really going to go after you. And we're really harassing people horribly. And then all of a sudden for politics, she says, you know, she comes out with what I said, which I think is terrible.

And I think it's also hitting them very hard. These people are fake. Now they're also saying they did a good job on the border. We had the worst numbers in the history of the world, not of our country. There's never been a country in history that has had a catastrophe like this. We've had, I believe, and I think you believe this too, you know, you hear 12 million, 13, I believe it's over 20 million people came into our country, many coming from jails, from prisons, from mental institutions, or a bigger version of that is insane asylums, and many are

terrorists. And I'll tell you what, they're coming not just from South America, they're coming from Africa, they're coming from all over the world. They're coming from Asia, they're coming from the Middle East, they're coming from countries that are stupidly and horribly bombing Israel October 7th. They're coming from all over the world. And, you know, you look at it's so sad October 7th because it should have never happened. It's so sad when you look at Ukraine. It should have never happened. We have a defective government. These are defective people and they're not people that should be running it. But where you see it the best is the border because you have millions of people coming in a month and then she gets up and she tries to pretend like she's going to do something.

She had three and a half years. And by the way, they have another five months that they can do something, but they won't do anything. It's all talk. She's incompetent and he's incompetent. And frankly, I think that she's more incompetent than he is. And that's saying something because he's not too good. One, two, three.

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team? And it's not to say that, like, in my opinion, actually, I'd say, like, probably most of the illegal immigrants actually are actually good, hardworking people. That's my opinion. But some are not. And you just have this sort of adverse selection process where, you know, if somebody's, you know, if somebody's like, you know, has a career in theft or robbery, I don't understand what's taken them so long to get here because we're in such a target-rich environment. I mean, you know, why aren't more people who have a career in, you know, bad things coming here sooner? Because, I mean, it's a piece of cake to go rob houses in L.A. or New York compared to other parts of the world. And in a lot of places in America, if you try to stop the person who's robbing you,

you'll be arrested. So it's... It's right. I mean, what's happening with crime? And our police are so good, but they're not allowed to do their job. But I have to tell you, Ilan, I hate to say it because it's such a downer to say it.

I hate to say it. It has an entirety forer to say it. I hate to say it. He's done more policies than Paul has in his entirety of his social campaign. I hate it. 1.2 million. You have a lot of people that just shouldn't be. I think it's a much bigger number than you think. They're allowing, again, they're allowing people from their jails. And if you were running one of these countries where they're coming from, you would have

had all of them. As an example, Venezuela, their crime is down 72%. They're taking their drug dealers. They're taking, frankly, their prisoners. They're emptying out their prisons. They're taking their criminals, their murderers, their rapists, and they're delivering them into the... That's what Castro did. Yeah, well, he did on a much smaller scale.

It was a much smaller scale. But this is a massive scale because this is being done worldwide but here's what's happening crime all over the world is down and wait till you see the numbers that we have you know these this is migrant crime this is crime that's going to be and i saw it today in new york where somebody was knifed where they uh raped the girlfriend of a man that stood there watching in New York in one of the shelters and started pulling out the knives, and bad things happened today. But this is happening every day. These are rough people.

These are people that are in jail for murder and all sorts of things, and they're releasing them into our country, and they're telling them, if you come back, we're going to kill you. We're going to give you the death penalty or kill you. So they don't want to come back. But these are rough people. These are criminals that make our criminals look like nice people. And it's horrible what they're doing.

And she's in charge of it because, you know, now she's trying to say she had nothing to do with it. And she's such a liar because she was called the border czar the first day. And it was on the headlines of every newspaper. She's the border czar. And she never even went there. She went to one location which had nothing to do with where the problem is. You know, she went in and out, I guess, because she was getting a lot of pressure, but had nothing to do with the problem. But she was the Borders are. And people can't allow them to get away with their disinformation campaign. Now she's trying to say that she wasn't really involved. The whole thing is horrible. She was totally in charge. She could have shut the border down without him. He didn't

know what he was doing anyways. He wouldn't have even known what happened. You could shut the border down. He wouldn't even know the difference. But the fact is that she was Bordasar. But you don't have to call her that. The fact is you could just call her. She was in charge of the border, and the border was the worst ever. It's simply not working. No, it's horrible. Whether it's a question of intention or competence, either way, we don't have a secure border, and we have people streaming over like it

looks like a World War Z zombie apocalypse at times. And sometimes you got to sort of wonder, like, is it real or not? So I, you know, because you see things, you're like, is it real? So I went to the border at Eagle Pass and I saw for myself in Texas and I was like, okay, it's real. I'm like seeing this in real time. I actually posted the video like just live. I just, I just flew there one day and just to see, Hey, is this, is this made up or real? And I'm just seeing people stream across the border and, um, and I have to say, you know, at least the people that I saw did not look friendly. Um, you know, so look at my video and say, Hey, you know, these people look friendly. I don't look super friendly. These are people that Elon would not be the same man if he had to walk across the street and look these people in the eye.

These are rough people. These are really rough people coming across. And I know rough people. And these are people that we don't want in our country. And, you know, the caravans are coming in and they're putting and who's doing this is the heads of the countries. And you would be doing it. And so would I. And everyone said, oh, what a terrible thing to say. The fact is, it's brilliant for them because they're taking all of their bad people, really bad people. And I hate to say this. The reason the numbers are much bigger than you would think is they they're also taking their non-productive people.

Now, these aren't people that will kill you. We have enough of them. But these are people that are non-productive. They are just non-productive. I mean, for whatever reason, they're not workers or they don't want to work or whatever. And these countries are getting rid of non-productive people in the caravans in many cases. And they're also getting rid of their murderers and their drug dealers and the people that are really brutal people. And they're coming into our country at levels that have never been seen before. And I saw an ad just before I got on the air. I'm walking over here and I saw an ad by Kamala saying how she is going to provide border security. Where has she been for three and a half years?

For three and a half years, all the opportunity to have 20 million people for it. It's a terrible thing. Yeah, I think this, frankly, I think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United States. And if we have another four more years of open borders, and it's going to be even worse,

with another four more years, it's going to be even worse with another four more years. It's going to be even worse than it's been for the past three and a half years. I'm not sure we've got a country. You don't have a country, Elon. If they get in, you will have 50 to 60 million people from all over the world, not South America only. You know, we think of south america we think of honduras and el salvador guatemala and mexico you know the four but it's not that it's everywhere they're coming in from everywhere and i had to stay in mexico this is a this is a super important point like people it's like well basically when i went down there i was like well where are people from it's like it's like almost no one was from me. No, Mexico, less than the Earth.

It's just the border with Mexico. But the people coming in, it's Earth, the rest of Earth. And America is only about 4% or 5% of the population of Earth. It would only take a few percent of the rest of Earth to overwhelm everything in the West. We're already overwhelmed, Elon. We're overwhelmed. You had to see the news tonight about New York, New York. And I love that place and what they're doing to it is horrible, what they're doing to it. And all the courts do is they try and focus on Trump. OK, let's focus on Trump, who did nothing wrong. I complain about

a rigged election. Elon, what's happened is unbelievable. You have from Africa, from the Congo, they're coming, from the Congo. And 22 people came in from the Congo recently, and they're murderers. And they drop them. They take them out of jails, which is very expensive, you know, to maintain the jails, although they don't do too much maintaining, I can tell you. But they take them out of jails, prisons. They take them out and they bring them to the United States. They deposit them in the United States and say, don't ever come back or you're going to be executed.

And they don't want to come back. But they won't come back. But they're coming from Africa. They're coming from Asia. They're coming from the Middle East. They're coming from South America. They're coming from everywhere. And there are a lot of really bad ones.

It's just an everywhere on earth thing. And it's just not possible for the United States to absorb everyone from earth or even a few percent of the rest of earth. It's just not possible. Well, Elon, we're going to have, just to finish this up, we're going to have the largest deportation in history of this country, and we have no choice. Otherwise, we're going to have a country, what they've done to our country. Think of it. With, you know, in Venezuela and in some of these other countries, crime is down 50, 60, 70, 80 percent. And you would be the same.

You would have. I'll tell you what. Venezuela has not gotten rid of all of them. They've gotten rid of about 70% of their really bad people. Their jails are about 50% put into the United States. Same with other countries. Some are at 30%, some are at 50%. They're all different. But the bottom line is they're all going to be at 100%. Why wouldn't you put 100% of it? And they're doing it right now while this third-rate phony candidate, don't forget, I beat Biden. He failed in the debate miserably. And, you know, some people said, oh, gee, it's too bad. It's too bad he did so

badly. Or I did well in the debate. You know, the first night they said, wow, one of the people at CNN said that was the greatest debate performance I've ever witnessed. And then two days later, they didn't talk about that. They just said he was bad. But that's okay. That's the way I get treated.

And I don't mind that at all. What I can tell you is this. He really does not mind. We cannot have a Democrat. We cannot have her. She's incompetent. She's as bad as Biden in a different way. Look, he hasn't done an interview.

He beat Biden in the debate. This whole scam started. Biden quit. incompetent she's as bad as biden in a different yeah he hasn't done an interview he beat biden debate this whole uh scam started and biden quit and say what you want this was a coup this was a coup of a president of the united states he didn't want to leave and they said we can do it the nice way or we can do it the hard way yeah i'm just talking about back behind the chest oh what they did with this guy and i'm no fan of his. And he was a horrible president, the worst president in history. And one of the reasons he was so bad, first of all, the Israeli attack would have never happened. Russia would never have attacked Ukraine.

And we'd have no inflation. And we wouldn't have had the Afghanistan mess, if you think of it. And we wouldn't have had Afghanistan. But think of it. You take a few of those events away and we have a different world. We would also have no inflation was caused by oil. Yeah. I think you make an excellent point here, which is that when other countries are thinking about invading or doing bad things, when they're thinking about that, they're thinking about, okay, what's the American president going to do? And do they fear the

American president? Or is there someone they do not respect and do not fear? And I think they do, they do, they would rightfully be, I mean, you know, look at the footage of the assassination. They're like, OK, you know, President Trump is like, don't mess with me. I mean, that's like whereas I think people are not going to be and they obviously have not been at all intimidated by Biden. And they certainly will not be intimidated by Kamala. And you have to really think about it in the context of global security. If the American president is someone that evil dictators are scared of, that makes a huge difference to the security of the world. So I had a good relationship with Putin, despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax that lasted for over two years. Just a hoax created by Hillary Clinton and Adam Shifty Schiff, some just bad people, you know, just sick people, frankly. I mean,

Schiff is a sick person. He's going to end up probably being a senator. It's hard to believe. The whole thing is hard to believe. But, you know, they put our country in danger with that stuff, too. They actually, when they make up stories and you have to fight your way out of it for a long time. But I know Putin very well. I got along with him very well. He respected me. And it's just one of those things. And he would, we would talk a lot about Ukraine. It was the apple of his eye, but I said, don't ever do it. Don't ever do it. You know, I shut down Nord Stream too. That was the big oil pipeline, the biggest, I think the biggest pipeline in the world going all over Europe. I shut it down. Biden came and then they say, I, you know, I was, I loved Russia. That was the big oil pipeline, the biggest, I think, the biggest pipeline in the world going all over Europe. I shut it down. Biden came. And then they say, you know, I was, I loved Russia. I was a friend of Putin and I loved Russia. No, he actually said to me one

time, he said, if you're my friend, I'd hate to see you as an enemy. I shut down his pipeline, the biggest pipeline. They were looking at that fund. And this this pathetic president gets in there. And the first thing he did, one of the early things he did is he shut down, he shut down Keystone XL pipeline, which is our pipeline that would have employed 48,000 people, pipeline workers, shuts it down.

That was a massive job that Obama refused to allow. I allowed it in my first week because it was jobs and it moved oil. And by the way, in a much more environmentally friendly way, it's underground. It's not a truck that catches on fire or a train that catches on fire. But think of it. He shut down the XL pipeline, the Keystone XL pipeline. He shuts that down and he approves the Russian pipeline. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It's inconsistent, certainly. But I mean, I think it's just worth emphasizing to listeners the immense importance of whether the United States president is intimidating or not intimidating. YouTube just created a summary.

And how much that matters to global security. Because Elon Musk appears nervous, stutters, and speaks in a low voice. Meet Kevin Henson looks similar. I know every one of them. People are mocking the interview for being boring. Trump is slurring his speech. Elon, I know every one of them. And I know him well.

I know Putin. I know President Xi. I know Kim Jong-un of North Korea. I know every one of them, and I know him well. I know Putin. I know President Xi. I know Kim Jong-un of North Korea. I know every one of them. And let me tell you, people say, oh, this is terrible. I'm not saying anything good or bad. They're at the top of their game. They're tough.

They're smart. They're vicious. And they're going to protect their country. Whether they love their country, they probably do. It's just a different form of love. But they're going to protect their country. But these are tough people at the top of their game. And when they see a Kamala or when they see Biden, Sleepy Joe, they can't even believe it.

They can't believe this happened. It's not all the stuff that you're seeing now, all the horror that you look at Israel. They're all waiting for an attack from Iran. Iran would not be attacking. Believe me. You know, when I was there. Yeah, it tends to happen when he's with respect, because I think we would have been good with Iran. I don't want to do anything bad to Iran.

And he's got something attached to the phone you can see in the photo. Iran was broke because they told China, if you buy from Iran oil, it's all about the oil. That's where the money is. But if you buy oil from Iran, you're not going to do any business with the United States. And I meant it. And they said, we'll pass. They didn't buy oil. Other countries, likewise, you want to buy, you're not doing business with the United States. And they were at a point where they were, they had no money for Hamas. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for any of these instruments of terror. And it was amazing. In fact, there were articles when I was leaving, which is hard to believe, actually,

especially when you look at what's happened to our country. Our country is so bad right now. It's such a different place. We were respected. Think of it. Four years ago, we were so respected to a point where when I said, don't buy oil, they didn't buy oil, but they had no money and Israel would have never been attacked. It is zero chance. And again, I said to Vladimir Putin, I say, don't do it. You can't do it, Vladimir. You do it.

It's going to be a bad day. You cannot do it. And I told him things that what I do. And he said, no way. And I said, way. And, you know, it's the last time we ever had the conversation. He would he would never have done. I got along well with him.

I hope to get along well with him again. You know, getting along well with them is a good thing, not a bad thing. I got along well with him. When I met with President Obama just before entering, You know, it's sort of a ritual. And I sat down with him and we talked. It was supposed to be for a very short period of time. It turned out to be a long period of time. I said, what's the biggest problem?

He said, North Korea. I had that problem worked out very quickly. It was nasty at the beginning with Rocket Man and, you know, all the different things. But all of a sudden I got a call. Those were some epic tweets, by the way. Yeah, they were. No, they were epic. Everything. He said that he has a red button on his desk. I said, I have a red button on my desk, too. But my red button is much bigger and my red button works. And then I called him Little Rocket Man of Little Rocket Man. Anyway, here's the bottom line. All of a sudden, I got a call from him, and they said they want to meet.

They want to meet me. And we met, as you remember, we met in Singapore. We met also in Vietnam. And I got along with him great. We were in no danger. But President Obama thought we were going to end up in a war, a nuclear war with him. And let me tell you, he's got a lot of nuclear stuff, too. He's got plenty of nuclear. He can do plenty of damage. Yes, I mean, it's because

people like Kim Jong-un, they respond to strength, not weakness. He and I had a good relationship. Remember I met him and we walked onto his land. Nobody ever walked onto his land before. I walked there. I wouldn't say let's bring up Secret Service again. I wouldn't say they were thrilled when I did that. I walked onto his land and it was an amazing period.

But we were not in danger with him because of me. You know, I always say that we have enemies on the outside and we have enemies on the inside. We have some really bad people in our government and people that are, and controlling of the people. I mean, I mentioned names, but I don't, I really don't want to give them the credit, but we have some really bad, and I say they're more dangerous than Russia and China. If you have a smart president, a president that gets it, we are not in danger from those countries because they need us and they need our help. I mean, we forced Obama, if you think about it, Obama and

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Iran and they have North Korea. That's, you know, they call it the access of evil. In the old days, you had the access of evil. Here, they call it the access of evil. In the old days, you had the access of evil. Here we have a modern day access of evil. These are powerful countries, very heavy nuclear, which is the biggest threat. You know, the biggest threat is not global warming, where the ocean is going to rise one eighth of an inch over the next 400 years. And you'll have more oceanfront property, right? The biggest threat is not that the biggest threat is nuclear warming, because we have five countries now that have significant nuclear power and we have to not allow anything to

happen with stupid people like Biden. You know, Biden did something with Russia. There was no chance of him ever going in. And when I left, and then after I left, they started forming big armies on the border with Ukraine, right? And I looked at that, and I thought he was doing that because Putin's a good negotiator. I thought he was doing that to negotiate. But then Biden started saying such stupid things. For instance, he said that it can be a NATO country. Now, Russia, for as long as there's been NATO, has said, we're never going to agree to that. And we go right up front and say that. And we did things and said things through this president with a low IQ, very low IQ.

He had a low IQ 30 years ago, by the way, but now he might not even have a IQ at all. There is no there's nothing on the board that goes as long. He said things that were so stupid that that that war would have been that war had zero chance of happening if I were there. Zero chance. He was saying everything the opposite, everything the opposite. And it's so sad because many more people have been killed in Ukraine than you read about. You don't read about how bloody it is and how desolate. Hey, look, just in the two armies, you lost a half a million people. And Ukraine's having a hard time.

Ukraine, I don't know if you saw the article recently, and it's true. You don't hear the true story. But if you think about it, Russia's gone. You know, Russia defeated Germany with us and they defeated Napoleon. You know, they've been around a long time. They're a big fighting force. And it's very unfair. And Ukraine now doesn't have enough men. They're now using young men and very old men to fight. And we're in a very bad position. And I'm not going to blame exclusively, but I can tell you, I could have stopped that. And a smart president could have stopped that. It wouldn't have happened. But we had a man that actually made it more prevalent. It was so bad,

the words that he was using, the stupid threats coming from a stupid face that he was using. I said, this guy's going to cause us a war. He's going to cause us. And let me tell you, it can lead to World War III. That can lead to World War III. The Middle East can lead to, we have numerous places that could end up in World War III right now for no reason whatsoever. I think you're right. I think people underrate the risk of World War III. 1.3. And it's just, you know, when looking at the risk of global thermonuclear warfare, it's game over for humanity. And, you know, that's, it's something that people have, I think, after the end of the Cold War, people have become complacent about, but they actually have forgotten that there are currently a lot of nuclear

missiles that have targeting parameters for the United States from other countries. And one of the things we're going to do is we're going to build an Iron Dome over us. You know, Israel has it. We're going to have the best Iron Dome in the world. We need it. And we're going to make it all in the United States. But we're going to have protection because it just takes one maniac to start something. We're going to have protection. but we're going to have protection because it just takes one maniac to, you know, start something. We're going to have protection and we're going to have, why shouldn't we have an Iron Dome? Israel has one. Some other places have one that nobody even knows about, frankly, but Israel has it. We're going to have an Iron Dome. But, you know,

with all of that being said, to me, that's so important, the most important. But with all of that being said, the election's coming up and the people want to hear about the economy and the fact that they can't buy groceries because they don't have enough money to buy groceries. The inflation has killed them. Food prices are up 50, 60, even 100 percent in some cases. And this stupid administration allowed this to happen. And it's a shame.

And that's the thing that people most care about, in my opinion. They care about the border a lot. And we discussed the border at great length. It's nice to have a forum like this where I can discuss something at length. And by the way, you think Biden could do this interview? Do you think that Kamala could do this interview? They would take a pass on you. No, they could not.

They don't need elon they don't need elon screaming out questions it's it's pretty sad when you think that somebody that does this for a living can't answer a question or is afraid to do an interview and in her case with a very friendly interview she's got all friendly interviewers it's pretty yes absolutely the big thing now is the economy elon and as much as yeah i mean i viewed nuclear as the single most important thing, but a lot of people don't understand that. But it doesn't have to. If I understand it, that's all you need.

Because if I was president, you're not going to have that kind of a problem. But the thing that they really is making them angry is what Kamala and Biden have allowed to happen to the economy. It's a disaster with inflation. The inflation, it doesn't matter what you make. The inflation is eating you alive. If you're a worker or if you're just a middle-income person, you can't afford.

You know, four years ago, five years ago, people were saving a lot of money. Today, they're using all their money and borrowing money just to live. It's a horrible thing that's happening. And we'll end that quickly. Trump's got a mic next to his mouth that some people think are compressing.

And so it's making that weird slush sound. Because the checks never bounce when it's written by the government. So if the government spends far more than it brings in, the whole thing is going to be slushed down. And if the money's flying at least as fast as the rate of goods and services, it's just bad inflation.

We've got a real-time audio engineer in the room. Really, we need to have, we need to reduce our government spending, and we need to re-examine. I think we need a government efficiency commission to say, hey, where are we spending money that's sensible, where is it not sensible?

And we need to live within our means. We're currently adding, I think, a trillion dollars to the deficit roughly every 100 days. And the interest payments on the national debt have now exceeded the defense budget. It's on the order of a trillion dollars. It's interest. And it keeps growing. I rebuilt our military, largely rebuilt our military. Did a great job on it, which was so important.

You know, we had jets. We had fighters that were, and bombers that were 70 years old. And we did a great job in that. Then we, by the way, then we gave $85 billion of it back to Afghanistan, if you can believe it. We gave them $85 billion. You know, they're one of the largest sellers of military equipment in the world. They're selling what we gave them. That was one of the most embarrassing days in the history of our country.

But if you think about, let's go back to the economy, we have to bring energy prices down. Energy started it. The price of gasoline. Now, your cars don't require too much gasoline. So, you know, you're you have a good and you do make a great product. I have to say, I have to be honest with you. That doesn't mean everybody should have a car. These are minor details. But your product is incredible. But but the gasoline, Elon, is the the cost of energy, not only gasoline, it is the cost of energy. Not only gasoline, it's the cost of heating your house and cooling your house.

That has to come down. It's gone up 100%, 150%, and 200%. And that has to come down. When that comes down and we're going to drill, baby, drill. You know, they stopped drilling and then they went back to drilling because they went back to the Trump policy. But if they won the day after they get into office, we're going to, this country will go out of business because they're going to go to an energy policy that's not sustainable. Wind and different things, you're not going to have anything.

And I know you're a big fan of the AI. And I have to say that AI, and this is shocking to me, but AI requires twice the energy that the country already produces for everything. So you're going to have to build, we're going to have to build a lot of energy if our country will be competitive with China, because that's our primary competitor for this on the AI. You're going to need a lot of electricity. You're going to need tremendous electricity, like almost double what we produce now for the whole country, if you can believe it. Sure. Well, just going back to this basic thing, which is that people try to make it sound complicated, but it's not. But inflation is caused by government overspending. Would you agree that we need to take a look at government

spending and have perhaps a government efficiency commission that just tries to make the spending sensible and so the country lives within its means, just like a person does? The waste is incredible. And nobody negotiates prices. You used to have a lot of people making jets and you end up with two companies and they'll probably try and merge at some point. I mean, I went through it like Air Force, just a thing like Air Force One. One of the first documents they asked me to sign a general auction. Sir, would you please sign this document? And what is it? Air Force One. That's with Boeing, which is basically two planes, two 747s. And the price was $5.7 billion for two planes.

Now, they're highly sophisticated. They're even nicer than your plane, OK? But much more sophisticated. They're very, I won't say what's on it, but they got a lot of stuff on it. Anyway, 5.7. That's a crazy number. It's a crazy number. But I said, I'm not going to pay 5.7. I'm not going to do it. I said, who made the deal? Obama and his people. I said, well, then I know

the deal's no good. I'm not going to do it. And over a course of about four weeks, by my saying, I'm not going to do it, I got the price reduced by $1.6 billion for the exact same plane, other than we had a nicer paint job, if you want to know the truth. But for the exact same plane, other than we had a nicer paint job, if you want to know the truth, but for the exact same plane. I got, I saved one. And I said to Boeing, man, you guys must make a lot of money if you can reduce the price by that. But now what I do hear is that they're going back to the Biden administration and wanting big cost overruns, you know, because they see these dopey suckers in there and they'll end up getting some of the money back. But I shaved it by one point six billion

dollars for the exact same plan. And you can now take that and multiply that out times thousands of other items. Multiply it by a zillion. The numbers are astronomical. I agree with you. Well, I mean, if so, so I mean, I mean, I think it would be great to just have a government efficiency commission that takes a look at these things and just ensures that the taxpayer money, the taxpayer's hard-earned money is spent in a good way. And I'd be happy to help out on such a commission if it were formed. Well, you, you're the greatest cutter. I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in here and you just say, you want to quit? They go on strike.

I won't mention the name of the company, but they go on strike, and you say, that's okay, you're all gone. You're all gone, so every one of you is gone, and you are the greatest. You would be very good. Oh, you would love it. But, you know, if you look at our – Well, I'd be happy to help out.

By the way, congratulations. I just looked at the number of people that are listening to you and I. Three million. We'll call it a chat. But congratulations. This is very good. I mean, it's great. And you're an interesting character.

You know, the new head of a place called Argentina. And he's great. And he's a big MAGA fan. You know that he ran on MAGA. And he took it to an extreme, too. He ran on MAGA. And I hear he's doing really a terrific job. It's called Make Argentina Great Again. It worked out perfectly. He came and he bought a lot of hats. He brought over. But he's doing a big job. He really cut. And I'm hearing they're starting to do pretty well. Inflation's getting down. You know, they had like 2,000%. They had inflation like not normal inflation.

They had the real deal. But we're going to have that pretty soon. I think we have the worst inflation we've had in 100 years. They say it's 48 years. I don't believe it. I think we have the worst. They don't in 100 years. They say it's 48 years. I don't believe it. I think we have the worst. They don't include a lot of the items that should be included, you know. Yeah.

Well, it's just from government overspending and just not spending taxpayer money effectively. Yeah, I think that's trending on Twitter, on X. Like so many departments, you can't even name them all. And what Millet is doing is, you know, he's cutting government spending. He's simplifying things. He's putting in regulations that make sense. And Argentina overnight is experiencing a giant improvement in prosperity. But it's also a lesson for the United States, which is that Argentina used to be one of the most prosperous countries in the world, you know, in the 30s, 40s.

And because of bad government policy, it ruined the country. And if you take Venezuela, for example, Venezuela should be incredibly prosperous. They have phenomenal reserves of everything, oil, everything. And it should be prosperous, but if the government's wrong, it impoverishes the people. And so I think we should not be complacent in the United States in thinking that and taking out prosperity for granted, because with bad government policy, we can run the country into the ground. And that's just something people should bear in mind. Don't take prosperity for granted.

Well, think of education. So we're ranked at the bottom of every list of the top 40. We're ranked number 40, number 38. Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, different countries are ranked good. Actually, China is pretty close to the top. They're a top six or seven. But we're ranked at the bottom, almost at the bottom, 38, 39, 40. In other words, horrible.

And yet we spend more per pupil than any other country in the world. So we spend more. And what I'm going to do, one of the first acts, and this is where I need an Elon Musk. I need somebody that has a lot of strength and courage and smarts. I want to close up Department of Education, move education back to the states where states like Iowa, where states like Idaho, you know, not every state will do great because states that basically aren't doing good now, you look at Gavin Newsom, the governor of California. He's terrible. He does a terrible job.

So he's not going to do great with education. But of the 50, I would bet that 35 would do great. And 15 of them or, you know, 20 of them will be as good as Norway. You know, Norway is considered great. You can name them. I mean, just they're so good. Some of these countries are so good. But if you go into some of these really well-run states, you know, we have states that don't know what debt is.

We have states that have low taxes, no debt. Everybody works. You know, they're really well run. And maybe they have certain advantages in terms of location, in terms of, you know, the land or the sun, the sun and the water and the whole thing. You know, there are a lot of advantages that some people have. But if you moved education back to the 50, you'll have some that won't do well, but you'll have, but they'll actually be forced to do better because it'll be a pretty bad situation. But if you think about it, yeah, you'll have some of these states.

I'll bet you'd have 30, 35 states. It'll be much better. And you know what it'll cost? Less than half what it is in in Washington. And these people don't care about students in these, you know, far away states. And it will be, it'd be unbelievable. Yeah. I think you're making a good point in that if the states have to, if each individual, if each state has to compete against other states, then people will naturally move to states where it's better. Well, like California, you know, as we said, it's a badly run state.

I could go through, I got so many friends that are in those states, even if they're Democrats. I hate to mention certain states, but Illinois is badly run with Pritzker. He's a real loser. But, you know, some of these places are just badly run. But, you know, it's almost going to force them to run better. And they won't do good initially. But you're not going to do worse than you're doing right now and i would say that the cost you would cut your cost by 50 or 60 percent and you'd

have a little monitor you know you want to make sure they're teaching english as an example you know give us a little english right sure right no but i mean i mean i mean some of these governors are like are doing so badly i mean they got so many people moving out of their state, they should get U-Haul Salesman of the Year Award because they're driving so much U-Haul. It's actually amazing. People move it out. Isn't it amazing to you as a businessman

that they can even survive? Like Illinois, so many people are leaving and you wonder, how do they survive? I mean, how do they survive? I saw where you left California and you moved to Texas. Texas does a great job. But, you know, I mean, I just wonder, how do these states survive when big businesses, many businesses and their taxes are already really high? You know, the taxes are among the highest taxes. You almost wonder, how do they continue on? And in many cases, the governors don't do a good job in their crime-ridden places.

You wonder, how do they continue to just go on? It's not a good situation. I mean, I think the only thing that's going to force some of these states to change is if they risk bankruptcy and they're not getting bailed out by the federal government. That's the only thing that's going to get them changed. It's so different in this discussion of how to make America better and

these topics. They're not even talking. I mean, they've mentioned it a couple times, but the focus really is on what are the problems, how they went into a form of character, much like character. And it was very nasty for a period of time, but now it's probably the most popular place in all of California. So, so, you know, at some point, something like that may have to happen. But the problem is you can't penalize people that loan money to the state when you have incompetent people like a Pritzker. Look, the family didn't want him in the family business.

And then he ends up being governor of Illinois. So, you know, is he going to be a great governor? And, you know, you have people. I could name every one of them. I got to know every one of these. And some are very good and some are just horrible. Well, I think that, I mean, that larger point here, as you're saying, a lot of people are concerned about the economy,

a lot of people are concerned about inflation. And inflation is effectively a tax on people that save money and for people that are working day to day. It's just a form of taxation. And if we can solve the government spending problem, we'll solve the inflation problem, which means people will have a better standard of living. And that's a really big deal.

The people that got hurt worst are the people that did it the way they were taught to do it all through their younger life and their young life and their whole life. The people that saved money and then they got no interest on their money and inflation destroyed them. And frankly, they were almost better off if they didn't do anything like that. I mean, those people have been absolutely decimated and we're going to bring those people back and help those people. We've got to get the prices down. You know, when I look at bacon costing five, four or five times more than it did a few years ago, when you look at some of the food products and groceries,

those people go, they can't believe it. They used to be able to buy a whole cart, and today, you know, a lot of people just don't have the money. They go in and they can't buy anything. They look at, it's sticker shock. They call it sticker shock, right? I think it really just comes, like I said, I think it just comes down to really,

I guess really two things, which is, is that if you solve government overspending, you solve inflation, which improves living standards of the average person. And then if you deregulate, like have sensible regulations, because a lot of the regulations are nonsensical and cause the cost to be extreme for no reason. But unless you've got effective deregulation, like Reagan did a great job on deregulation in the 80s, but it's been 40 years since we hadn't had anyone really... I mean, during your administration, we made some progress, but I think there's an opportunity to make, I think, radical progress with sensible regulation. And if you...

Well, Elon, we... Those two things, yeah. Those are the big deals. We set a record. We did more deregulation and more restrictions on all of the different businesses than any other president. Remember, I had the rule for every one we put in, you have to get rid of at 10 or 12. And we did radical cuts on all of that. And a lot of that's being put back by this administration. And we did radical cuts on things that weren't necessary. But we were all set. You know, we had the best economy ever, maybe in the world. And then what happened is COVID came in and we had to focus on that. And nobody knew what it was. And I always say I got

good marks on economy, good marks on military. We knocked out ISIS. We did so many different things. We rebuilt. But, you know, I never got the credit that we really deserved on what we did with COVID. We never got the credit. But we were, had that not happened, a gift from China, from Wuhan, came in from Wuhan, the Wuhan labs, and I always said it,

and it turned out to be right. But had that not happened, we were set to start reducing debt. We were going to reduce taxes further. I gave the largest tax cuts, and we were going to reduce taxes still further for middle-income people, not only businesses. But we did it for businesses because they're the ones that, that's why we had the great only businesses. But we did it for businesses because they're the ones that, that's why we had the great job numbers. But we were set to really start reducing debt. And, you know, we were sitting on the biggest pile of liquid gold anywhere in the world, bigger than Saudi Arabia, bigger than Russia. And we were going to drill and we were going to make so much money.

We were going to supply Europe with oil. I had stopped the Russian pipeline and we were going to supply them with oil and gas. We were going to make a fortune. And then the COVID came in and we really had to divert. Then what happened is when they came in, you know, we kept a lot of businesses alive. If I didn't do what we did, we would have had a 1929 type depression. But the problem is when Biden came in, he got trillions of dollars and just started spending it stupidly. You didn't need it anymore. You know, we got over that bad period where it was,

everybody was dying and, you know, it was, it was just not a good period. Interestingly, you know, during his administration, many more people died during his administration of COVID than during my administration. And we really got the brunt of it. But people don't realize more people died during his administration than ours. But it diverted us from doing what I wanted to do. But we had the greatest for, you know, almost three years. We had the greatest. And you know that

probably better than anybody. So many of your friends said to me, the best years we've ever had in business were during the Trump years. And also said that African-American, Hispanic-American were so incredible. They were having the best Asian American women, men, young people without a diploma, young people that graduated from the best colleges, from MIT, from the Wharton School, from all of the great colleges, Harvard. They were doing better, and people without a diploma were doing better. And everybody was happy. And then COVID came, and we had to, the problem is they spent trillions and trillions of dollars they wasted. They shouldn't have taken any money and we wouldn't be having inflation

right now. Well, Trump was force-pulling our country. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I should probably say something about like, you know, maybe my views on, you know, climate change and oil and gas, because I think it's probably different from what most people would assume. The stream count has now declined to 1.2 million. Because my views are actually pretty, I think, moderate in this regard, which is that I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry and the people that have worked very hard in those industries to provide the necessary energy to support the economy.

And if we were to stop using oil and gas right now, we would all be starving and the economy would collapse. So it's, you know, I don't think it's right to sort of vilify the oil and gas industry. And I, you know, the world has a certain demand for oil and gas, and it's probably better if the United States provides that than some other countries. And it would help with prosperity in the U.S. And at the same time, obviously, my view is like, we do over time want to move to a sustainable energy economy, because eventually you do run out of, I mean, you run out of oil and gas. It's not infinite. And there is some risk. I think the risk is not as high as a lot of people say it is

with respect to global warming. But I think if you just keep increasing the cost per million in the atmosphere long enough, eventually it actually simply gets uncomfortable to breathe. People don't realize this. If you go past a thousand parts per million of CO2, you start getting headaches and nausea. And so we're now in the sort of 400 range. We're adding, I think, about roughly two parts per million per year. So, I mean, it still gives us, so what it means is like, we still have quite a bit of time um but but so there's not like we don't need to to rush and we don't need to like you know stop farmers from farming or you know uh prevent people from having steaks or right basic stuff like that like like you can leave the farmers alone

how crazy is that where i mean you have farmers that are not allowed to farm anymore and have to get rid of their cattle and the whole the whole world is a little crazy. But it's largely taken its lead from us. I do say, though, I've heard in terms of the fossil fuel, because even to create your electric car and create the electricity needed for the electric car, you know, fossil fuel is what really creates that at the generating plants.

And, you know, so you sort of can't get away from it at this moment. I mean, someday you might be able to. But I do hear we have anywhere from 100 to 500 years left. You know, much of it hasn't even been found yet. But there are tremendous, like ANWR. I got ANWR in Alaska approved. Ronald Reagan couldn't do it. Nobody could do it. Everybody tried. Nobody could do it. I got it approved. The first thing that Biden did was unimprove it to get rid of it. He ended it. His secretary went in and she ended it. And what a disgrace. That's Anwar. That's bigger or they think it could be bigger than Saudi Arabia in Alaska. Could be bigger than Saudi Arabia.

But they went in and they terminated it. And I'll get it going very quickly because not only is it big for Alaska. I mean, you talk about economic development. That for the United States, I mean, that is, they say bigger than Saudi Arabia or the same size. And pure, really good stuff. And, you know, they end it. So I think we have, you know, perhaps hundreds of years left. Nobody really knows.

But during that time, something will come around that will be very good. Yeah. Well, I mean, my estimate would be, you know, a little more aggressive than that. But it's not the sort of like we're all going to die in five years stuff. That's obviously BS. But my view is like if you just look at sort of the post-familion that increments every year, you get sort of 203 post-familion every year of CO2. I mean, I think some of that, it's problematic if it accelerates, if you start going from two or three to, say, five.

And then there may be some situations where you get just a step change increase in the CO2. And I think we don't want to get too close to 1,000 ppm because that actually makes it uncomfortable to breathe. Like just existing in 1,000 ppm, CO that's that's actually makes it uncomfortable to to to breathe like just existing in a thousand ppm co2 is is uncomfortable that's like a that's considered like an industrial hazard right just so so it's you know that that's that's actually start getting headaches and stuff so it's even without global warming it's not it's not comfortable to live so you don't want to get too close to that but i mean i think we've got I think we want to just move over and like, and if, I don't know, 50 to 100 years from now, we're, I don't know, mostly sustainable, I think that'll probably be okay. So it's not like the house is on fire immediately, but I think it is something we need to move towards.

And on balance, it's probably better to move there faster than slower. But like I said, without vilifying the oil and gas industry and without causing hardship in the short term, I think this can be done without, you know, people can still have, you know, a stake and they can still drive gasoline cars and they, you know, it's okay. It's like, it's not, I don't think we should vilify people for it, but I think we should just generally lean in the direction of sustainability and I actually think solar is

going to be a majority of Earth's energy generation in the future. And it's certainly trending that way. And so you get the solar power, mind that with batteries, because obviously the sun doesn't shine at night. And then you use that to charge the electric cars, and you have a long-term sustainable solution. And that's what Tesla is trying to move things towards. And I think we've made a lot of progress in that regard. But when you look at our cars, we don't believe that environmentalism, that caring about the environment should mean that you have to suffer.

So we make sure that our cars are beautiful, that they drive well, that they're fast, they're, you know, sexy. I mean, they're cool. In fact, literally, I mean, the sexy joke, Model S, Model 3, Model X fast, they're sexy. I mean, they're cool. In fact, literally, the sexy joke, Model S, Model 3, Model X and Y spells out sexy. It's probably the most expensive joke out there. But I just, I don't know, I like cheesy

humor, you know, so... S3XY. But I'm not, I'm a big fan of like, let's have an inspiring future and let's work towards, you know, a better future and do so without demonizing right i'm i'm okay you know it's very interesting uh you use the word global warming and today they

use the word climate change because you know you have some places that go up and you said so they were getting themselves in a little trouble with the word global warming because not every place is warming some places are going the opposite direction. But, you know, I'm sort of waiting for you to come up with solar panels on the roofs of your cars and on the trunks of the cars. And it just seems like something that at some point you will come up with. I'm sure you'll be the first. But it would seem that a solar panel on the roofs, you know, on flat surfaces, on certain surfaces might be good. Yeah. At least in certain areas of the country where you have the, or the world, where you have the sun. But I would think, and I have no idea because that's not my world, but I would think that this would be something that would be interesting. But, you know, the one thing that I don't understand is that people talk about global warming or they talk about climate change, but they never talk about nuclear warming. And

for me, that's an immediate problem because you have, as I said, five countries where you have major nuclear and, you know, probably some others are getting there and that's very dangerous. That's where you need a strong American president because you just, you don't want to have this proliferation. But you have five countries and getting more. You know, China is much less than us right now, but they're going to catch us sooner than people think. They're way lower. Russia and us are number one, and we're sort of tied.

And China is far behind, but they're developing at a level that you're not surprised to hear, very fast. They'll end up catching up, maybe even surpassing. But to me, the biggest problem is not climate change. It's not. And everything's, you know, a problem. But it's to me, the big problem is the nuclear power. The power of nuclear is so great. And when I talk about I'll prevent World War III,

I will, but the truth is that you have to because this is no longer army tanks going back and forth and shooting at each other. This is a level of destruction and power that nobody's ever seen before. Yeah, and actually, there's the bad side of nuclear, which is a nuclear war, very bad side, but there's also, I actually, there's the bad side of nuclear, which is a nuclear war, very bad side. But there's also, I think, nuclear electricity generation is underrated.

You're right. And it's actually, you know, people have this fear of nuclear electricity generation, but it's actually one of the safest forms of electricity generation. It's just a huge misunderstanding. And if you look at the injuries and deaths caused by, say, I mean, I'm not trying to pick on coal mining, but just any kind of mining operation, and there's a certain number of injuries and deaths per year. You compare that to nuclear, nuclear is actually way better.

So it's underrated as an electricity source, and I think it's something that's worth reconsidering. But there's so much regulation that people can't get it done. So that, you know... Maybe they'll have to change the name. The name is just a rough name. There are some areas, like when you see what happened... Bad branding. You have to rebrand it. We'll have to give it a good name. We'll name it after you or something. You know, hey, it has a branding problem. You know, when you see what happened, when you see what happened in Japan, where they say you won't be able to go on the land for about 3000 years, did you ever see that? And in Russia, where they

had the problem where they, you know, there's a lot of bad things happened and they have a problem. And they say that in 2000 years people will start to occupy the land again you know you realize it's pretty bad but that's not true but there's it's actually not that bad so like after fukushima happened in japan like people were asking me in california you know are we worried about like a nuclear cloud coming from japan i'm like no that's crazy it It's actually, it's not even dangerous in Fukushima. I actually flew there and ate locally grown vegetables on TV. That is wildly not true. And I donated it.

I was there with Lou Borkowski. We were there. Our fixer died of cancer. System for a water treatment plant. I run cancer. Yeah, but you haven't been feeling so well lately, and I'm worried about it. I'm only kidding.

I'm lying. You know, it's like, you know like Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, but now they're like full cities again. That's true. It's really not something that, you know. That's right. So it's not as scary as people think, basically. Let's see.

I mean, are there some other topics to touch on? Oh, you know, like lawfare. I think we need to be concerned about about what they've done to this country. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we just won the big case in Florida. This was a Biden administration did something that's never been done in this country.

And that's go after their political opponent, me, with this nonsense and just nonsense. And the big case in Florida we won, but they always pick a judge and a jury, and they use the local DAs, they use the local attorney generals, like Fani, you know, Fani, spelled F-A-N-I, Fani. And it's all a big hoax.

And it's all run from there. Like in Manhattan, one of the top people from the Justice Department went in, ran Manhattan, ran the state. The Letitia James deal was run by a person from the Department of Justice, Biden. They've never done this before. And they set up a very bad precedent. It's called lawfare, warfare. It's a terrible thing and never happened in our country.

It does happen in banana republics and third world countries, but it's never happened. And the incredible thing is it actually drove my numbers up because people see, you know, fortunately I have a platform like you or, you know, in all fairness, like a conversation like this, where I can talk about it and people understand. I mean, you fight for election integrity and you end up getting indicted because you're fighting for election integrity.

And when the day comes that you can't fight for election integrity, you don't have a country anymore. So what happens, what happens is they went after their political opponent, me. Now Biden's, you know, close to vegetable stage, in my opinion, okay? I looked at him today on the beach, and I said, why would anybody allow him? The guy could barely walk. Why would anybody allow him?

Does he have a political advisor that thinks this looks good? You know, he thinks this looks good because it looks so bad, and it's ridiculous and he's been doing that for a long time he can't lift the chair the chair weighs about 3 ounces it's meant for children and old people to lift

and he can't lift it the whole thing is crazy it's clearly we just don't have a president and she's going to be worse than him because she is a San Francisco liberal who destroyed San Francisco. And then as attorney general, she destroyed California. You talk about location and we're talking about the sun and the water and all.

There's nothing better than California. She has destroyed that. She was the original D.A. She was the original in San Francisco. She was the original attorney general in California. She has destroyed that. She was the original DA. She was the original in San Francisco. She was the original attorney general in California. What she has done to California is, well, you know better than I do, you just left California for a lot of those reasons. And what she's done with crime, with cashless bail, where you kill somebody. I mean, we have states there, you kill somebody and they let you out right away.

I mean, you don't have to even put up and then they never find the people unless they kill again. And then they let them out again. Our country is becoming a very dangerous place. And she is a radical left San Francisco liberal. And now she's trying to protect. Now she's looking like she wants to be more Trump than Trump, if that's possible. I don't think it's possible.

But she wants to be more Trump than Trump. Yeah. I want a wall. I think that's. You know, she wants to release all the prisoners that are in detention. And some of these guys are really bad. Right. That just came out today.

She doesn't want to build the wall, even though the walls work. Walls and wheels. You know, in your business, everything you do is obsolete. Well, not the tunnels, but everything is obsolete. Even your rocket ships. Like a month later, they're obsolete. You find a better way to. The only thing that's not obsolete is a wall and a wheel.

And the wall, you know, I built hundreds of miles of wall. And that's why we had such good numbers. I was going to add 200 miles. We bought it. We could have flipped it, flipped it up in three weeks and they sold it for five cents on the dollar. That meant, I said, wow, that means that they actually do want to have open borders. She wants to have open borders and now she's going like she's tough on the, on the border. It's such a lie. Yeah, this is simply not true. This is simply not true. No, and everybody knows it's not true.

It's a disgrace that she can say it. No, I mean, obviously what's happening sort of overnight is they're rewriting history and making Kamala sound like a moderate when in fact she is far left, like far, far left. Worse than Bernie Sanders. She is considered more liberal by far than Bernie Sanders. That's misleading.

He's a radical left lunatic. It's only because Kamala. He's going to be our president very quickly. You're not going to have a country anymore. It's because Kamala didn't do any bipartisan. And she'll go back to all of the things that she believes in. She believes in defunding the police. She believes in no fracking, zero.

Now all of a sudden she's saying, no, I really want to see fracking. If they got in, the day she got in, she'll end fracking. And by the way, if people didn't think that, the lunatics that really believe in that, they won't vote for her. You know, like the Palestinians and Israel, she is so so anti-Israel and she's bad for both. Biden actually did something that was impossible. Both sides hate him. You know, both sides.

That was a hard thing to do. Unification. Yeah, no, no. I mean, I mean, you know, Netanyahu came to give a talk to a joint Senate and House sitting, and I was there, and Kamala stood him up. You know, what does that say? I think it's highly disrespectful. And I say, if you're a Jewish person or if you believe in Israel, if you're a person that, you know, is very pro-Israel, if you vote for her, it's worse than Biden. And Biden was bad. But if you vote for her, you ought to have your head examined. And you see tonight, I mean,

as we're doing this, I'm seeing reports coming that they expect an attack tonight or tomorrow from hundreds and maybe thousands of rockets. You know, their Iron Dome, as they call it, as we all call it, but their shield that they built, that can be swamped. We'll use the term that's appropriate, swamped. But they swamp it by shooting enough missiles. You know this better than anybody. By shooting enough missiles, they can't defend themselves. They just obliterate the whole place.

And that's what some people think they're looking to do. And we have no leadership. There's no respect for the United States of America with these people. And I'm telling you, you'll be worse than him because he's a believer in being radical left and he wasn't. I think you're right. I mean, it really is important for the for the public that may be listening to this to say to look at Kamala's track record, you know, before the last like month and say, is that a track record you agree with? And I think if you're an independent moderate, you definitely would not agree with it because it is, her behavior has been far left. And we're seeing just an overnight propaganda attempt to rewrite history and make it sound like Kamala is moderate when she, in fact, is not moderate. Well, her running mate approved, signed into legislation, tampons in boys' bathrooms.

OK, now that's all I have to hear. Tampons in boys' bathrooms. And that means she believes in that, too. I mean, she picked this guy because he was the closest to her. A lot of people thought she'd pick sort of the opposite. But she picked an anti-Israel, radical left person. But she is far worse, they say, than Bernie Sanders. If we have her as a president, if we have a Democrat at this moment as a president, I don't think our country can survive.

I think it's I think it's a massive I think I think we're in massive trouble, frankly, with with a Kamala administration. And that's my honest opinion. And and I think I think really it's essential that that you win for the good of the country for this election. And I mean, that's I'm just stating my opinion. that you won for the good of the country for this election. And I mean, that's understating my opinion. Now, you know, you may have seen this,

but I got a letter from the EU Commission, like saying, you know, to not have disinformation during this discussion that we're having. And, you know, there's a lot of attempts to do censorship and to force censorship, even on Americans from other countries. And, you know, what do you think about that? Well, I know the European Union very well. They take great advantage of the United States in trade, as you know. We, through a different form, NATO, we protect them. And yet,

if you build a car in the United States, you can't sell it in Europe. You just can't sell it. It's impossible. The same thing with our farmers. Our farmers find it very difficult to do business. You know, we have a deficit with them of $250 billion, which people don't know. It sounds so nice, the European Union, but let me tell you, they're not as tough as China, but they're bad. And I let them know it. And that's probably why they notified you. No, they don't treat our country well. We defend them. You know, with Ukraine, so we're in for $250 billion and they're in for about 71 billion and they have the same size. If you add up the European nations in terms of an economy, it's about the same size, wouldn't you say, as us. And they're in much greater risk. They're right there. We have an

ocean separating us from, in this case, the enemy would be Russia. It used to be for the Soviet Union, but let's assume they're close enough. What happens is they're in for 70-something million, I think even less than that, billion, and we're in for about 250 billion, and it could be a lot higher than that. And I say, why aren't you going to equalize? Why aren't they paying what we're paying? And it's much more important for them because of the fact that they're right near there. I mean, they're all sort of in that location. We're not.

But they should, and I did it with NATO. There were only seven countries that were paid up in NATO out of 28 at the time. And the United States, the United States was subsidizing NATO, tremendously subsidizing NATO. And I said I went in and I said, you've got to pay up. If you don't pay up, we're not going to defend you any longer. I took a lot of heat. But you know what happened? Billions and billions of dollars came flowing in. And yeah, I think I think a lot of the public isn't aware of the fact that the United States pays a disproportionate share of of the NATO expenses. And then we can take advantage of on trade. So think about it. Well, I mean, the point of NATO is defending Europe. And it's, you know, it's like, OK, well, why, why is the United States paying disproportionately more to defend Europe than Europe?

That doesn't make sense. That's unfair. And that is an appropriate thing to address. Well, you know, when you talk about cost-cutting and savings and everything else, I mean, honestly, look, there's nobody that feels worse about the Ukraine situation than I do because I know it would have never happened. I know Zelensky. He was very honorable to me because when they went with the Russia hoax and they said I had a phone call with him, he said it was a perfect phone call. It was a great phone call. He could have grandstanded and said, oh, he was very threatening. He said, no, it was a very nice phone call.

I called him up to congratulate him on his win. And you end up getting impeached because these people are lunatics. You know, I was talking about the difference from the people within and the enemies on the outside. In many cases, the people from within are more dangerous for our country than the Russians and the Chinas. If you have a smart president, you're not going to have a problem with them. You're going to do things. Now, they've taken advantage of us incredibly, but you're going to do things with the right person. Yeah. Well, I think it's obvious that you're a believer and an advocate of a free speech, because during your first time as president,

you were attacked relentlessly every day, often very unfairly with, you know, with false attacks. And and you didn't try to shut down the media. You didn't try to inhibit their freedom of speech. And I think that says a lot. Well, the good thing is that you and I have, and some people, very few, we can get the word out. Although sometimes it's hard because they don't want to print it. You know, like we're having a great conversation right now.

Kamala wouldn't have this conversation. She can't because she's not smart. You know, she's not a smart person, by the way. She can't have this conversation. And Biden, we don't even have to talk about it. I mean, he couldn't have this conversation. He would have given up on the first half of a question. He would have walked out.

He would have said, where am I? Where am I going? So anyway, but no, he wouldn't have this. That's true. Not a lot of people would have walked out. He would have said, where am I? Where am I going? So anyway, but no, he wouldn't have this. That's true. Not a lot of people would have this conversation. But, you know, we cover a lot of territory. But the beauty is that you know, we can have a conversation and I'm able to get it out without because I get this is a really big point. You can actually have a conversation with you. And you can't have a conversation with Biden or Kamala. It's like not, it's not possible.

That's true. It's the only day we could do that. This is like talking to an NPC. So it's just impossible. But think of it. We need a man or a person who's unbelievably sharp in order to stop all the nuclear danger and all the dangers that I'm talking about.

And I got along with all these. You know, I got along with Kim Jong-un. We had dinner, we had everything. And he really liked me and I got along with him really well. By the way, he's the absolute boss over there. You know, a lot of people said, oh, do you think he really? Let me tell you, I saw things that you don't want to know about. He is the boss. But we had a good relationship. And he doesn't like Biden. He considers him a stupid man, he said. He's a stupid man. Well, at least he speaks his mind. But, you know, in this country, you're not sort of allowed to say it, but I guess you are. You should be allowed to say it. But we need really, we need smart people and we need people that have an ability

to lead. And she doesn't have that ability. Can you imagine? Now, you know Chairman Xi very well. Can you imagine her and him negotiating or even standing together? It is, the whole concept is ridiculous. She is terrible. She's terrible. But she's getting a free ride.

I saw a picture of her on Time Magazine today. I think she looks like the most beautiful actress ever. Now he's in I'm on a phone call moment. It was a drawing. Oh, yeah. He's just talking to a buddy right now. She looked very much like our great first lady, Melania. She didn't look like Camilla.

That's right. But, of course, she's a beautiful woman, so we'll leave it at that, right? Yeah. I think part of what people in America, people in America want to, you know, people in America want to want to feel. Some needs a call to action about the future and want to feel like the future is going to be better than the past. And that America is going to do things that are greater than we've done in the past. Reach new heights that make you proud to be an American and and excited about the future. They want the American dream back. You know, They want the American dream back.

You know, they want the American dream back, more important than anything else. It's like, you don't have that today because the people, they've been just sucked. They see incompetent people running our, you know, the Biden thing is very interesting. People just found him to be incompetent. And when I debated him, I was like, is this for real?

It was. Yeah, it was just absurd. But, you know, I think there are like, you know, some some, you know, grand projects that we could do. I mean, I think like, you know, we could we could build a base on the moon. We could send American astronauts to Mars. We could build high speed connections that are more advanced than anything else in the world between our cities so people have fast transport. It's possible to solve traffic with tunnels. We already made great progress in Vegas doing that.

And just do things that are exciting and inspiring and make the future feel like it's better than the past. Well, I saw what you did in Vegas, and I'll tell you, it was amazing. I got to see, I took a big glimpse at it, and it's incredible. It's incredible. And you could do that all over. You could do that all over. It's deep. You don't even need much structure.

No one wants to ride a helicopter in the right area. No, it's straightforward. It's amazing. A LISP is when you – I think we could do some – Instead of SA? Like China's got incredible high-speed rail between its cities. But I think it's actually possible with tunnels. With deregulation, with an ability to actually – where it's like legal to actually do the tunnels. They could have high speed tunnels that are actually better than,

than anything else in the world for high speed transport between cities. And that would be something that, you know, Americans can say, wow, okay, we've got something that's cooler than anyone else in the world. That's, that's the kind of thing that makes you proud to be in America. And much safer than surface trains where there is a danger there, you know, with people, with crazy people, it's much safer than surface trains where there is a danger there, you know, with people, with crazy people. It's much safer, much better. And, you know, it's sad because I've seen some of the greatest trains.

I find it fascinating. And I've seen the systems and how they work and the bullet trains, they call them, I guess. And they go unbelievably fast, unbelievably comfortable with no problems. And we don't have anything like that in this country, not even close. And it doesn't make sense that we don't. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, and I think also, like, there's, you know, I'm kind of hopping on the excess regulation,

but I think something that I think people can generally understand is that what happens with laws and regulations is that they is that there's more and more of them every year. And unless there's a process to clean them up, eventually everything becomes illegal. And that actually slows down the development of new technologies. I mean, if you take the sort of, like, I think there's room for some reform at the FDA for improving the speed with which we approve drugs that could help save lives and improve people's lives. I worked very hard on that. We got that down to the lowest number ever.

And we got therapeutics approved in the FDA that people can't even believe the speed. That was great. I took them on. I don't think they like me too much, but I got things approved and the FDA at, at, at numbers that they wouldn't believe. And, you know, it's a very bureaucratic group actually is a fine group of people. In many cases, I got to know a lot of them,

but I was pushing them really hard for regenerants for so many different things that, that were really pretty amazing. But, butda takes too long they would it's 12 years to get a product approved i got it down to four what do you think on a scale of one i got some things done very quickly but it's uh it's really something that is going to have to be worked on because it takes too long yeah i mean it's yeah it just takes too long and it's you end up in the same with the approval but just it's just because and people are mad years instead of some people like yeah, I agree other people are like watch Seven about improves people's lives Otherwise they just keep building up every year

and get like hardening of the arteries and eventually everything's illegal or takes forever. And then we just ossify as a society. I can't imagine what a 10 would look like. We can't make any progress. And that's a really big deal. Well, you know, Elon, just getting back to the FDA for one second, I got something done called Right to Try try this is where you can go in and if you're terminally ill

you can use a space age uh you know medicine or whatever it may be we have the best doctors the best labs in the world we really do and but people would go to other countries because you couldn't use this the product even if they thought it worked because it's going through the FDA. I got it approved where you can, you basically, you look, nobody wanted, the doctors didn't want it because of the liability. The country didn't want it, our country, because they didn't want to get sued. These are people terminally ill. The insurance companies didn't want it. And the pharmaceutical companies, nobody wanted it. I got everybody into a room and we came up with an agreement that you won't get sued and also they didn't want it on their record if somebody's terminally ill and they die after

taking a drug they didn't want that on their record so we set a second a separate list if somebody was so it wouldn't count as a negative okay and as you know we got it done we have saved right to try they've been trying to get this done for the worst part is the 58 years. And it sounds simple, but it wasn't. I mean, you know, the insurance companies,

nobody wanted it, but we got it done. Somebody signs, you sign a document that you're not going to sue the insurance companies, the country, you're not going to sue anybody. And we got it done. And we're saving tens of thousands of lives,

right to try. Hopefully you never need it. But if you do, you don't have to travel to Asia. You know, people, if they had money, they go to Asia, they go to Europe. If they don't have money, they go home and die. That's what happened. They'd go home and die. Well, I mean, actually, to give Europe some props here,

it's like if a drug is approved in Europe, which has a crazy amount of regulations, it should obviously be approved in the U.S. I mean, they have more regulations than we do. So why would a drug be approved in Europe and not in the U.S.? That's crazy. Well, we did something that really – they've been trying to do it for 50 years, and they just couldn't get it done, and I got it done. And it's really something. But you're right.

Some people go to Europe because a drug isn't approved here, but it's approved in Europe. And it's a drug that, generally speaking, would work. It's pretty crazy. Absolutely. You're right. And I think so long as people are properly informed of the pros and cons and, like, these are the risks, you know, this is the risk. And, like, you make your own decision. That makes sense.

Well, I think just, you know, in sort of closing of closing up and by the way I'm looking at the numbers you get a lot of people listening I hope you don't get nervous because you got a lot of people listening to you right now like 60 million or something as it gets later on and it gets more relaxed it's amazing how you can see that right away how many what is the number

people are starting to drop off though I mean we're still over a million he's counting How many? What is the number? People are starting to drop off, though. I mean, we're still over a million. He's counting. Well, I think it's bigger than you said. You said 25 and you're much more than double that number, 25 million. I think you're going to be 60 or 70. And I guess over a period of time, hey, I congratulate you. Do I get paid for this or not?

Well, I think actually in terms of the number of people that will hear this conversation over the next few days, two weeks, it's going to be hundreds. That's what they say. Yeah, that's good. Well, look, it's an honor. But I just ask this. Are you better off now or were you better off when I was president? Nobody's better off now. You know, we put out polls on that and nobody's better off now. Inflation has killed it. And, you know, they also feel very unsafe.

You look at what's going on with a lot of different things. You look at the riots we had in the colleges over. I mean, it's ridiculous, but all of the rest, they just feel unsafe. And now they really feel unsafe because you have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. I call it Biden. Well, yeah, maybe I'll call it Kamala migrant crime. But, you know, I mean, with all these things, I always try to like try to get to the ground truth by just asking people. And, you know, my, my mom lives in New York and I was like, you know, mom, you know, do you know, have you, any of your friends, you know, been attacked or assaulted? And she said, yeah, three of her friends in three separate incidents were assaulted just, just, just in recent months, just walking around the streets of New York. And I, and I, and I said, well, did what, what happened to the people that assaulted them? Oh,

nothing. They, they, they got away like and and that they just know they always get away nothing's going and they don't ever and that they don't even bother reporting it because there's not they know that there's not they're not going to you know people are not going to get prosecuted they just they just let you know violent criminals out in new york the only one that gets prosecuted is Donald Trump. They prosecute Trump. Yeah, I mean, it's just obviously messed up. It's terrible. If violent criminals are getting off scot-free.

And meanwhile, New York's spending massive resources prosecuting you. And it's like, what's this? And I think the sort of sensible public looks at this and says, what the heck's going on here? This is obviously abuse of the legal system. The legal system is supposed to be protecting the public from violent criminals. And it should be obviously allowing the public to make their own decision about who should be president as opposed to some legal case. Once they start this precedent, because this can go on with the next one,

I mean, this is a very bad precedent, what they're doing, in terms of going after their political opponent. And that's all it is. It's going after their political opponent. I hope it's used against Democrats. And then you get a judge who's a strong Democrat, and I'm being honest when I say that,

in many cases, crooked as hell. But you get a judge, and you're going to an area where a Republican gets three or four percent of the vote. I think it's malicious prosecution. You'll have a jury pool with people that hate Republicans or hate. It could also be the other way, though, because it could start the other way in areas where they hate Democrats. And you get into a Pandora's box. It's a very dangerous thing for this country and a very dangerous thing even for the state. New York City and state lose a lot of business over what they did to me

because these people say, we don't want that to happen to us. That's no justice system. You have an unfair system of justice and it's costing New York State a tremendous amount of money. People are leaving and companies are leaving and they won't come back. So, you know, all of that stuff is important, but the economy now is the big thing and we can turn that economy up so fast and people are going

to be back again. We're going to get rid of it. I think there's a lot of opportunity. Absolutely. So, and I just want to, I want to congratulate you. You've done an amazing job. You have definitely got a fertile mind. You and I can talk about rockets. It's kind of you to say. Thank you. We can talk about tunnels and rockets and electric cars, so many things. And now you're into the AI and that's going to be another beauty, I'll say. So it's an amazing thing you've done, Elon. It's an amazing thing. And I congratulate you. I mean, thank you. And well, I mean, I just say, you know, here's to an exciting, inspiring future that people

can look forward to and be optimistic and excited about what happens next. And that's the kind of future that I think you will bring as president. And that's why I endorse you. Well, I appreciate that. That endorsement meant a lot to me. Not all endorsements mean that much, to be honest. Your endorsement meant a lot. And, you know, we have a phrase, make America great again. It's pretty simple, but it really says that we want to make America great again. And we can do it. We can do it now. But if we were going to suffer another four years

like we suffered for the last four years, I'm not sure the country can ever come back. That's how bad it is. It's so bad. We have to do a lot of things. I think that's a very real risk. It's a big risk. That's a very real risk. And, you know, I'd just like to note to people listening, I've actually been – I'm not like – some say they try to paint me as like a far-right guy, which is absurd because I'm like making electric vehicles and solar and batteries, helping the environment.

And I actually – I supported Obama. I stood in line for six hours to shake Obama's hand when he was running for president. And so it's not like I'm like some sort of dyed-in-the-wool long-term Republican. I'm actually, I call myself, you know, historically a moderate Democrat. But now I feel like we're really at a critical juncture for the country. And, you know, I think a lot of people thought, you know, the Biden administration would be a moderate administration, but it's not. And obviously, we're just going to see an even further left administration with Kamala. That's my honest opinion. I mean, her dad is literally, I mean, she was brought up as an actual, her dad is a Marxist economist.

You can Google it. I mean, it's not a, we're not making this up, you know. That's how she was brought up as a as an actual her dad is a is a marxist economist that's you can google it i mean it's not a we're not making this up you know um that's how she was brought up so uh and and we we just we want to have a future that is prosperous and and i i think we're just at this critical juncture and um and it i think this is a case of the america uh is is going to add a fork in the road. It's true. And I think it will take the path, like you are the path to prosperity, and I think Kamala is the opposite. I mean, that's my honest opinion.

I'm going to get attacked like crazy, and I've also experienced quite a bit of lawfare myself. But I'm just trying to tell people my honest opinion. And I haven't been really active in politics before. And I'm just trying to point out that my track record historically has been moderate, if not moderate, slightly left. And so this is to people out there who are in the moderate camp to say, I think you should support Donald Trump for president. And I think it's actually a very important junction in the road. And we're in deep trouble if it goes the other way. Well, I want to thank you.

And, you know, I actually always did think of you as somewhat left. I must say that. So it's even more of an honor to have your endorsement. I know how strong you feel about it. But, you know, when you think of her, San Francisco, 15 years ago, I had a great friend, Bob Tisch. He said it's the greatest city in America. And now it's almost not livable there. And California, likewise. And she was involved in the destruction of San Francisco and the destruction of California. And she will be involved in the destruction of our country if people are so

unwise as to elect her. And I hope that doesn't happen. And I hope the elections are going to be run honestly. And we're going to turn this country around. We're going to do things that, and we can do it fairly quickly. And we have to get rid of the criminals that have been, you know, given to us by other countries as they laugh. They laugh at us. They think we're stupid to accept these people. These are radical stone cold killers in many cases and terrorists. And they're in our country by the hundreds of thousands. Yeah.

And we have to take them out. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if I could summarize it, perhaps, you know, I think these are issues that I think most people in America would agree with, which is that we want safe and clean cities. We want secure borders. We want sensible government spending. We want to restore both the perception and reality of respect in the judicial system, just stop the lawfare. And I think that's like, and how are those even right-wing positions? I think that's just common sense. And that's, I mean, would you agree with that?

100%. 1.1 million. I don't understand, you know, the whole, they call it progressive. They don't like the word liberal anymore, but call it liberal or progressive. They don't like the word liberal anymore, but call it liberal or progressive. I don't understand how somebody could say that it's okay for them to empty prisons into our country. And again, I told you that crime rates all over the world are going way down, which makes sense. In fact, the next time what we'll do is if something happens with this election, which would be a horror show,

we'll meet the next time in Venezuela because it'll be a far safer place to meet than our country. So you and I will go and we'll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela because that's what's happening. Their crime rate's coming down and our crime rate's going through the roof. And it's so simple. And you haven't seen anything yet because these people have come into our country and they're just getting acclimated.

And they don't know about being politically correct law enforcement or lack of law enforcement. And our police, I have to just end with this, we have great police, we have great law enforcement, but they're not allowed to do their job. They have to be able to do their job without being destroyed. Well, absolutely. And it's obviously demoralizing if you're a police officer risking your life to, you know, to arrest violent criminals who could kill you and do kill you sometimes. And then you arrest a violent criminal and then the DA, you know, doesn't prosecute and that's let the guy out. Well, then, like, why should a police officer risk their life to arrest a violent felon?

Well, even worse, Elon, even worse, they prosecute the police officer. They go after and they prosecute the police officer and they take away his pension. They take away his job. He loses his family. He loses his house. To endorse, they were going to wrap up the conversation. I thought it was very telling, like incredibly telling. Yeah, Trump trains unstoppable.

There was a case where, you know, sort of a gang of thugs beat up police officers. I think it was in Times Square in New York. And then nothing happened to those guys. They were let out, zero bail. And I think a bunch of them were given free tickets to California. Well, what is the—I mean, that is a gross indignity against the United States, and this is insane. Like, have we lost all pride?

How can such a thing be allowed to occur? I've never seen anything. You know, we see where they get shot. It's a very dangerous profession, but something they're very proud of, and they want to be able to do their job. But I've seen them get shot. I've seen a lot of things, but I've never seen where these guys are standing in the middle of a big street, everybody watching them. And they're literally boxing, like punching, stand up fighting a police officer. There were two of them. And you had about six of these guys and they're

punching the hell out of them. And in their own they would be dead if they did that they'd be shot yeah they would be shot instantly and you know they come from these countries and it's taking them a while to realize that we don't do that in this country but in their own country if they stood on a street and had a fight with a police officer they would be shot there's no political correctness. And it's such a sad thing to see. And that's the reason you have crime, by the way, because we don't do anything about it. Yeah, we just cannot have a situation where our police officers are beaten up on camera

by a gang of illegal immigrants, and then nothing happens to the guys that beat up the cops. I mean, and they're let out. This is unacceptable. We're going to change it and we're going to get them out of the country. You know, when I first got involved, they said you couldn't get them back to these countries. You couldn't take them back. In the case of Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, some others, you couldn't get them back. And I said, really? Oh, you can't get it back. Because under Obama, he couldn't get them back. They'd put, really? Oh, you can't get it back. Because under Obama, he couldn't get them back. They'd fly them in and they'd put planes on the runways in these countries so you couldn't land the plane. They'd bring them back. And the general told me, the

generals told me, sir, we can't bring them back. The countries won't accept MS-13 gang members. They won't accept them. And I said, really, how much do we pay these various countries in terms of economic aid, which is also somewhat ridiculous? And the answer was $750 million. I said, good. Tell them they're in default. They're delinquent. We're not going to do, we're not paying them anymore

because they won't accept it. And you know what happened? They all called me, every one of them. They said, we would be honored to take them back, sir. We would be honored. It was so easy. But it's one of those things. And we got them back. We would be honored it was so easy but it's one of those things and we got it back we took in so many you know ms-13 is probably the worst gangs in the world they're the

most vicious violent we took them out of here by the thousands and got them out of here and their countries took them back and because i said you're not getting any more economic aid and once i said that they were nice they wouldn't take them back were nice. They wouldn't take him back for Obama. They wouldn't take him back for anybody. And now we have a problem because we have this guy and they, again, they don't take him back anymore with Biden because they don't respect him. Yeah, yeah. So it's just got to be done.

We just can't have, whether they're citizens or not citizens, we can't have, because they weren't prosecuted citizens either, not just illegals. You can't have violent, repeat violent offenders that don't get incarcerated because they will obviously, by definition, continue to hurt people. And I think where part of this comes from is that there's – and I do sort of consider myself liberal in some ways. I mean it's just that you want to have empathy for people. Obviously you want to have empathy for people. I totally agree with that. You want to have empathy. But you also have to have empathy for the victims of the criminals. And if you just have empathy for the criminals, it's actually

shallow empathy. It's not real. You're not thinking. You have one layer deep empathy. You've got to say, if you don't incarcerate this person, who are they going to hurt? They might kill someone. They might rape someone. If you don't incarcerate them, you have to have empathy for the victims. And there's a lack of empathy for the victims of the criminals and too much empathy for the criminals. It doesn't make sense. That's why you want to have deep empathy for society as a whole, not shallow empathy for criminals. And we have to give our police officers the dignity and the respect that they deserve. And we have to let them do their job. They can do a

great job, but we have to let them do their job. And if we don't do that, you know, it's going to all disappear. There's never been a society like this where you're allowed to do anything you want and nothing happens. And I'm talking about violent crime. And it's going to get more violent because these are really, really violent people. And we're going to get them out of our country and we're going to get them back to where because they were sent here by the presidents and by the various people that run those countries. And I know every one of those guys. And they're smart people and they're streetwise people. And they really think that the USA is stupid. They think we're run by stupid guys. And they're smart people and they're streetwise people. And they really think

that the USA is stupid. They think we're run by stupid people and they happen to be right. But when I was there, we had no problem. We got them out. We took out thousands of MS-13 gang members. We brought them back. And now again, it's the same old story. We don't do it. And they actually gave them a big increase in aid. They raised it up to billions of dollars and they get nothing for it. So, you know, it's I hope everybody's going to vote for Trump and we're going to get this country straight. And I didn't need this. I'm like, I didn't need this. I had a very nice life. I didn't need to go through court systems and go through all the other stuff and run at the same time. I have to run. I have to go through fake trials with, in some cases, corrupt judges, totally corrupt judges.

I didn't need it. I had a nice life. I have great locations. I have beautiful oceans that I have places. But I felt it was important. And if I had to do it over again, you probably think I'm crazy for doing it, actually. But if I had to do it over again, I would have do it over again, you probably think I'm crazy for doing it, actually. But if I had to do it over again, I would have done it over again, because this is so much more important than me or my life. This is we're going to save this country. This country is going down. And these people are bad people that we're running against.

And they're liars. They make statements. They do things that are so bad. They say they're going to make a strong border they say they've been great on the border and they've been the worst in history they say they're going to stop crime the facts speak for themselves it's so incredible so like it's got to the point where people just don't even bother reporting crime in a lot of cities because they know nothing that's going to happen um happen. That's what I hear anecdotally from people all the time.

So it's just my values to people out there. The things I think are important for the future is we've got to have safe cities, we've got to have secure borders, we've got to have sensible spending, and we've got to have deregulation

so we can have a prosperous future. And then we want to have deregulation so we can have a prosperous future. And then we want to have some exciting moonshot projects that people can get fired up about. That's what Trump is waiting for. Trump's a subject who's used to the interviewer saying, great having you. But I'm not against, you know, I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry because they're keeping civilization going right now. But I do think we want to move at a reasonable speed towards a sustainable energy economy. Those are my values.

And I think— We're down to one million now. And so, I mean, that's why I'm supporting you for president. Well, I appreciate it. We're going to make, we're going to give incentive to companies to come into our country, not to leave our country. Can't end.

We're going to be giving tremendous incentives. We want companies to build here, not to build in other locations. And we want to create jobs. Well, that maybe you're not trying to like, no, no, no, keep going, keep going. Again, it's about the American dream. You don't hear about the American dream anymore, Elon.

You don't hear, you're the American dream. And You don't hear about the American dream anymore, Elon. You don't hear. You're the American dream. You don't hear about the American dream anymore. And you're going to hear about it. People, they need that incentive to go out and do it. And they're going to love their lives. They're going to look forward to getting up in the morning and going to a job that they love, not a job that they can't stand or not any job at all where they

have no money, where they literally have no money. And then they end up with violence and lots of other problems. No, we're going to do some great things. And I learned a lot in the first. We had a great economy and all of that. We rebuilt the military. We did so much. But I also learned the best people.

I learned the good people, the smart people, the dumb people, the people that can do things. We're in the same room. Trump's going to fall asleep and we're going to be sitting here. I was in Washington, D.C. only 17 times, according to the fake news media. I was in 17 times. I never stayed over. And you don't know people. You rely on other people to give you names.

And then you realize the people you relied on weren't so good. Now, we had great people, but we also had some where I wouldn't have used them had I known. Now I know everybody. And I think we're going to really turn things around fast. We have no choice. Otherwise, we're not going to have a country. And I really appreciate this. To me, it's been a lot of fun being with you. You're an amazing guy. You've done an incredible job and a great inspiration to people, a great inspiration. And I hope you keep going and just continue to do well. And we're going to have a big election coming up. And I think November 5th will be the most important day in the history of our country. I think that election will be the most important election.

And I think it'll end up being maybe the most important day in the history of our country, because if we don't win, I just feel so sorry for everybody. Me too. No, I think we're at a fork in the road of destiny. Elon, come on. He's trying to wrap it up. I think we need to take the right path. And I think you're the right path. So I think that's what it comes down to. Thank you very much, Elon. It's a great honor and we'll do it again sometime. It's been really fun and

I hope you got a lot of viewers. I hear you got a lot. I hope you got a lot. I know you got a lot of them. I appreciate it. I'll see you soon. I'm hanging up on Elon now. All right. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you, Elon. Thank you very much.

Bye. Bye. He said bye. Like, it was a phone call. All right. And we're out. That is the end of it, ladies and gentlemen. That's the end of the space.

That was pretty. So, final thoughts on this as we wrap up. We won't have a members show tonight, obviously, because they went long. And the truth is, I have to go to bed because I wake up for a morning show. But the reason why I gave it a seven, and I think you were saying, Mark, you wouldn't know what a 10 would look like. Right. A 10 would be Donald Trump giving like a Gettysburg Address level speech of Elon. Four years ago in this country, we faced a great threat. And then like giving this speech where Elon would then respond. This was a conversation. It was great. Trump did a pretty good job. He was

pretty funny. That's why I say it's a seven. And some people are like, no, it was a 10. It was a 10. I'm like, calm down. A 10, like the RNC speech, I'd give like a nine. Really, really great. But 10 is that moment in history where they say like, wow, a speech was given that day. So you give him a 10, where do you go from there? You know what I mean? So seven is like, he performed great. It was really interesting to hear what he had to say. And you know, I thought it was good. Well, I think about it, say he was on Joe Rogan's podcast, right? And he's speaking for an hour, two hours, maybe even three hours. It's really tough to say that whole time he was speaking was a 10. I agree if it was a speech, it's probably a little easier to judge that based on a scale

of 1 to 10. But when you have this flowing conversation between two powerful men, it's pretty tough to say a performance was a 10 or even a 9. But I think 8.5 as far as just what he talked about, what he discussed and the substance of it. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was pretty good.

I know you guys want any final thoughts before we wrap up and I can go to bed? Yeah. I mean, it lasted as long as it needed to. Oh, and longer. Well, no more, no less. I'll stick with my nine because I'm not going to retract it because I already made it. But I was thinking about his energy tonight was really

just off the charts. That's true. Fair point. It was, you were saying, more like 2016. He was a little snootier in the fun way. He was talking about issues quite a bit opening with the assassination was really good yeah i think part of it is and i said this right before but it felt like you were listening in on a private phone call between elon musk and trump and you got to hear them touch on a lot of really interesting

points i'm glad they talked about the attempt to assassinations i think one of the big uh crimes i guess but maybe that's a little dramatic is that, you know, we had this insane, tragic, you know, nearly catastrophic moment happen. And eventually, and like kind of, you know, on a dime, it was able to get washed away. Democrats don't really talk about it anymore. They'll maybe mention the rally. But you know, what happened was was tragic in the way Trump responded to that moment, which Elon highlighted, is a big deal. And so I hope that when journalists are writing about this, in addition to the policies that they now get to talk about, which Kamala Harris gives them no policies to talk about, that they'll also talk about kind of what we went through in July as

a country because it is a big deal. Like I said, I think I rated an A, 8, 7.5. It's not that it was anything was bad. It's just that like nothing super groundbreaking happened. It is cool, though. It is cool to witness this sort of historic million person rally online. And now, as we wrap up, the one thing I've been dying to clearly articulate. A lisp is when you talk like this, okay? A lisp is when your S's are in your teeth. A slush is when you're talking like this. That's what you were hearing with Trump. Now, likely, I think you agree, it was like a lot of people were saying clear de-esser compression. Yeah, I'm almost positive, but.

But the mic is to his left. And so some kind of compression, some others are saying that they compress it because of the space on the server and things like that. And Trump was also looking down. You could you could you made a good point. In some parts, his ass sounded normal and some they didn't. And then I'm like, yeah, but the media is going to say, oh, I know exactly what they're going to say. I'm bummed about it. But like, that's the reality of the situation now. Yeah. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button? Subscribe to this channel. Share the show if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,

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