Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1107 TRUMP V. HARRIS Debate LIVE NOW At Congress With GOP Rep Commentary

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Raymond are joined by GOP members of congress to discuss predictions for the Donald Trump & Kamala Harris debate, predictions about the 2024 election, & live commentary analyzing the Trump Kamala debate. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere)  Hannah Claire @hannahclaireb (everywhere) Raymond @RaymondGStanleyJr (X)  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? We're here live. We are going to be here for the debate. Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. This is going to be absolutely fascinating. Now there are a lot of people on social media saying that Trump's got this one in the bag, but don't count your chickens. We've got to see what the performance is going to be like, but based on Kamala Harris' past performance, a lot of people have a lot of confidence in Donald Trump. I think that's fair. So the debate will be starting in about one hour but while we're here we do have many members of congress who are going to join us in conversation as sort of a pre-debate show as things get kicked off so before we get everything smash the like button subscribe to this channel

share the show with your friends head over to cast brew dot com support our coffee this is how we it's it's it's our own coffee company we sell coffee you can buy there you can head over to Tim cast comm click join us to become a member and support our work directly Starting off the show. We have a couple of amazing members of Congress Lauren Boebert is here Hey everyone, you're just the brief introduction for anybody who might not know you sure. I'm Lauren Boebert I represent Colorado's third district and right now I'm currently the most senior Republican in our delegation, which is crazy. So I've been working hard to help other races in Colorado.

We have some really good candidates out there. But I came up in the ranks just as a pissed-off mom and business owner. I never was interested in politics and got frustrated enough to decide to challenge a five-term incumbent. And I won, and I've been here ever since. I learned real quick in D.C. nothing happens without force. So we've been real aggressive and got a lot accomplished. And I have some really great friends that I've made here who are focused on saving our country, helping get President Trump reelected.

And, you know, I've got one of them right here with me, one of my greatest friends. We sit on Sinner's Row together on the house. I'm sure y'all have seen us whenever they're taking pictures and we're taking votes, but it's usually me and Tim Burchett and Matt Gates sitting there on Sinner's Row. And yeah, we have a lot of fun. Right on. Well, Rep Burchett, you want to introduce yourself? Yeah, my name is Tim Burchett, Knoxville, Tennessee. It's the only place in America where people don't speak with an accent. I am currently the 435th most powerful member of Congress, captain of the 1982 Bearden High School football team. We went 5-5.

Y'all might have heard of me. I really am worried that we're going to lose our country, for lack of a better word. I remember when Bill Clinton won the White House, I'm looking at my daddy across the table. We'd worked the polls all day. I was in the statehouse, and he prayed. He said, I'll say the blessing. And he said, Lord, please don't let us lose our country. And I feel that every day.

I feel like we are on the cusp of losing our country if we're not very careful. We also have Hannah Clare hanging out. Oh, hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for SCNR.com. I'm here on the show. I'm really happy to be joined by both of you guys tonight. Raymond's here. I am here. Thank you for having me. My name is Raymond G. Stanley Jr. I'm looking forward to this beautiful roundtable with politicians and watching Trump and the Kamala debate. I'm looking for some fireworks. I'm from Pennsylvania, the most important state. It's probably going to be in this next election, so let's go red. Thank you for having me, Tim. You also have a military background. I do.

I do. I'm a United States Marine veteran. Right on. So it'll be interesting to hear your take on a lot of this stuff, too. We're having feedback because we actually have a live audience for those that are watching at home. We build these studios on the fly that's how i thought that's how uh that's how it goes but uh let's let's get started with some debate predictions i guess now uh one of the funniest things i think we've seen so far i don't know if we can pull up this uh this clip that benny johnson posted they're giving kamala harris a smaller podium because she's five foot four. And what is Donald Trump? He's like six one, I think. Six three, I thought. Six three. He's bigger than that. So you can tell right away that there are concerns about how Kamala Harris is going to appear on stage. But I'm curious what

our friends from Congress think about how this is going to turn out. Well, first of all, I had a double platform in my last debate. They tried to give me one stool. I Well, first of all, I had a double platform in my last debate. They tried to give me one stool. I said, oh, no, I will have two because I'm five foot even. And I was towering them in. It was pretty great. But, you know, I think right now we need to have as fair of a debate as possible. You know, and they're going to try to elevate Kamala in many other ways.

So, I mean, whether she has the podium or not, whatever, whatever it is, they're still going to try to elevate her in every other way to win. But you think that the height thing really does matter in the perception of the voters? I think it actually does matter. But maybe some of these unaffiliated voters will see her as a woman and, you know, say they'll feel sympathy that she's so much smaller and kind of have that compassion towards her for it. You know, I think it's really frustrating when you get dressed up and then it's all covered up by a podium. When you pick your best outfit. Right, right.

You can see my collar. Great. I think it shows what's important to them is is appearance and not and not production i think that she is a um she she will be a disaster as president united states she does not have the knowledge she does not have the people skills and she has the track record of a complete failure unless you're a marxist so there's the better answer and and i think that that's why they will, that bunch is looking at appearances because they

know that they don't have anything to produce. They don't have a product. And I think the mainstream media will use her appearance as a way to defend her, right? Right, that's what I'm saying. I'm kind of expecting her to come out in a bright color to portray that sort of confident woman. I would love to see her in something other than brown.

Come on, girl. Goodness. It really, I mean, I'm not even trying to be mean. It just doesn't bring energy. It that sort of confident woman. I would love to see her in something other than brown. Come on, girl. Goodness. I mean, I'm not even trying to be mean. It just doesn't bring energy. It's sort of a lifeless campaign already, but they're going to use her inherent female traits, you know, that she's smaller in stature, that Donald Trump is taller, to defend her. If she makes any mistake at all, it's because he's a big bad man

and she's just a nice girl boss. Right, exactly, and they have the appearance that he's bullying her because she's smaller, but really, I mean, she's running for the most powerful position in the world, and she wasn't even elected to be there. She wasn't voted in by anyone. She was selected by the establishment behind the curtains, and so, I mean, to be running there, she needs to be able to run on issues. I see she has an issues tab, finally, on her campaign page. She actually has issues. I guess we're going to hear some of those.

She says that her values have never changed. Well, let's take her at her word because she has been radically opposed to everything that she's put out so far on this campaign trail. Anything that she's mentioned when it comes to energy or fracking or even supposedly building the wall at the southern border um something that she has said is racist something that she said uh was was just um it was just for appearance and now she's got issues so we'll we know she has issues but she's got those posted up on her campaign page finally. Yeah. Let's see if she remembers them tonight. Did you see the CNN story of all outlets that in 2019, Kamala Harris, one of them, she was in favor of giving sex change surgery to illegal immigrants.

It was so shocking that Aaron Burnett went, wait, wait, wait, gender transition surgery for, for detained migrants. Like, yeah,

she was in favor of that. Seems like something that wouldn't be a high priority item for somebody running for president. It feels like Kamala just pulled a bunch of leftist things out of a basket and jammed them together and said, I'm for whatever this is. Please vote for me. Right. Well, just like Birchett said, he is afraid that we are losing our country. And Kamala has been to the left of even Bernie Sanders on many of these issues. She's left of the squad on many of these issues. And she has ran in presidential campaigns where she has been the most progressive, most extreme candidate on the stage. And now she's trying to moderate.

Even Bernie Sanders is like, yeah, sure, of course she's going to say what she's got to say to win the election. And that's what the people back home need to really take in she has to say whatever she has to say it's not anything that she actually believes in that's being presented right now i do i do i do find it fascinating because i guess traditionally a politician is going to find their their key issues and they're going to're going to, either they're going to have their passion issues that they're focused on that help propel them forward. Maybe it's something that's generally popular. And then there's going to be issues

that are ancillary, that they're not super familiar with, and they're going to go to their consultants and say, I'm not super, I don't understand a whole lot about, you know, issue number, like issue letter A, like what is going to be more,

what do the people care about more so you're trying and and round out your campaign focusing on what you think is important to you followed by what you think is important constituents it seems like a lot doesn't have anything support or at all it's literally just go go on google trends and put those in my campaign proposals and then maybe people will vote for me

it clearly didn't work in twenty twenty i don't know why it's going to work now when when she has these campaign uh policies now listed on her website but it's relatively generic there's some stuff in there that i think is fine like the child tax credit i like but i don't believe that she's actually for any of this because you've got you've got clips of her saying basically everything right right go ahead i think all she's doing is looking for something to to get a majority i i firmly believe with debates except for the last one in our lifetime there really hasn't been any debates that have mattered too much uh the kennedy nixon debates before i was born um nixon looked tired he had a shadow he needed to shave and they they used that to hammer him with a young Kennedy.

But I think my theory with debates holds you bring your side, I bring my side, and we both leave thinking we won, and that's what it will be tonight. I think you'll see the CNNs, the legacy media, if you will, they'll say how much Harris won. You'll see the conservative media outlets say that Trump won. And what I hope happens tonight is I hope President Trump just lets her speak because when she speaks, she is her own worst enemy. And if he can keep from attacking her personally and just specifically on programs,

because you'll see that with Democrats and liberals in general, they'll vote for the program. They're not voting for the person. They don't know voting for the person they don't know anything about her they don't care anything about her life they don't care anything they just want that gravy train to never end and with conservatives they're voting for a person they see something in that person a ronald reagan donald trump they see something in there that they like and that they can identify with. And so it is a completely different objective that you'll see tonight. There was some great commentary on Fox News. They said that Donald Trump should refrain from calling her Kamikamala,

and he should refer to her as Madam Vice President at every opportunity. I completely agree. Yes, well, and really, if he keeps from personally attacking her, then that's great. I mean, if you go in there saying that she doesn't know the issues, that she's not intelligent, that she's an idiot, or whatever attack there is, well, anything that she does that is above those attacks is exceeding expectations. So we are lowering the bar so much for her with the attacks that anything that she does that seems halfway intelligent is a huge win.

So I agree that there shouldn't be the attacks and he should just let her talk. Maybe she'll just talk about the color of coffee cup lids or something. I mean, I hope he takes any kind of lead conversation from the moderators and just says, you have this in your platform. Can you explain it to me? What do you mean by this? I want him to drive that home because I really don't think she knows what's even on her website. It took her long enough to put it up. And I hope he points out that on their website is just a rehash of Biden's failed policies. And that is what she's touting. And I think he can differentiate himself from her by saying your energy policy that's why gasoline is at this that's why it was much lower when i was president

the price of groceries six hundred dollars a month that it has actually more than that that working families are struggling to get by you know so i i think that that's a huge huge issue with working america and I think it resonates well. And when I talked to him, that's what I stressed. I said, Mr. President, you do a great job of telling us what's wrong with this world and country and how we got here, but you do a much better job of telling us how to fix it. And I want you to focus on how to fix it because, dadgummit, people are hurting in this country, and they need somebody that can say.

My mama used to say about Ronald Reagan she said honey when he would get on the radio on the television it was just like an old friend talking to him I hope President Trump looks into that tv and does like he did to Isabel Burchett my little girl when her sock was caught in her boot and she was hopping around and he leaned down and said Isabel what's wrong honey and she said my socks caught my boot Mr. Trump and she and he leaned down and said, Isabel, what's wrong, honey? And she said, my socks caught my boot, Mr. Trump. And he said, well, get it out of there, honey. And I said to my wife, I said, you know, that is very unusual. And if America can see that Donald Trump tonight, I think he will walk the country with her. But if he lowers himself to these attacks, and, you know, we all get it because he's

been treated incredibly unfair. You know, he's been marching before every court. They're trying to bankrupt him. They're trying to knock him off the ballot everywhere. And yet he doesn't get any support, it seems. And he's the only one that stands up. And when he says, you know, that they're not after you, they're after I mean, they're not after me. They're after you. I'm just in their way. I think that resonates with America because we are losing our country right now. And 13 to 15 percent of this dadgum country will get out and vote. And that's about it. I agree with you. I think it really does resonate with the public when he says he is the one in the way. And I also know that polls show undecided voters, which is really, you know, they may not tune in, but that's sort of

who everyone is courting right now. The number one issue among them is the economy. I mean, that's true for so many people, but definitely for the undecided voters. We don't need the personal tax, we just need answers. Everything is the economy. The border. Yes. International.

These terrorists that we gave billions of dollars to, and currently we're still paying the Taliban every dadgum week millions of dollars. And the Democrats refused to address that. And if you saw on the screen earlier, they showed the Democrats who were there, who were supposed to, you know, pitching for the president. And these are far left people, far left. So that tells you one thing. They ought to already have that bunch.

They should be having their moderate Democrats if there is such a thing. But they are worried about their far left base, and they are going to throw out the far left red meat tonight, and you will see full-on Marxism like you've never seen it. Have both of you seen the Alan Lichtman predictions? No, I don't look

at anybody's predictions. I agree. I think you've got Nate Silver saying Trump's 2-1 to win. He's nearly 65% chance to win based on the polling. But Alan Lichtman is this professor that everybody loves to cite because he predicted the last nine of 10 elections and he correctly predicted Trump would win in 2016. He's now predicting Kamala Harris will win. And I kind of feel like his assessment based on what they call the keys to the White House, it's based off of watching too much MSNBC. He says there's been no major scandals.

Yeah, he says that whether there's been a foreign military failure or victory is kind of an unknown. I mean, the Abbey Gates scandal is massive, and it's multiple scandals in one. Not to mention the scandal of removing the primary winner on the Democratic ticket. He says the economy short-term... Oh, they break their own elections all the time. Oh, it's ridiculous. He says the short-term and long-term economies are good. And he says that Donald Trump is not charismatic.

So I understand there's a lot of people who don't like Trump, but the man is a reality TV star. I mean, that... Come on. I've been in a room with two people in my life that when they walk in the room, dadgum, you know who they are. One of them was Benjamin Netanyahu. I was in Israel.

I thought, holy cow, that's freaking Benjamin Netanyahu. And the other one's Donald J. Trump. There's no question. When that guy walks in the room, it's who he is and what he does and what he's done. So I beg to differ with the liberal pollsters. There was a guy that used to work for me, and I know he's not watching now so I can say this,

but he used to work for me and he would make these predictions. He would say, this is going to happen, and everybody would say, ugh. And he would never hit it. And then one time he would hit it, and that's all they'd focus on. You know, I bet that guy had never picked a dadgum dog catcher's race, and he's lucked up on a few presidential races. And that's what the national media, that's how they focus on these cats, and they call them experts.

And they wouldn't hit a lick in a dadgum pie factory, you know, after hours. They're not worthy of national news, but that is what the national news focuses on brother and it and you know and it just shows you just how sick this country is and where we're headed i think the national news has a work perspective on all of this i was listening to a report from 538's podcast and they were talking about how in 2016 after every debate hillary clinton gained in the polls she performed better and better but if remember 2016, we got some of the best Trump lines during the debates of all time.

I think there is a bias towards Trump as the outsider and also a personality we don't like, and therefore, no matter what, no one is interested in him. And that just ultimately proved to be false. I mean, they'll point back to the Comey emails and stuff like that and say, well, that's why she lost. But I just don't think that's the case. And I think similarly right now, they're all saying Trump is going to be this brash, you know, over the top wired guy. And I thought he

was pretty controlled and calculated during the debate with Biden. I mean, they really have no way of accurately judging his ability to perform. Well, back to the original question about predictions for the debate. I think it's going to be quiet. They're going to be muting the mics. They're going to be interrupting each other. She's not going to get her little, I'm talking, sir. I'm talking, I'm talking. And we're going to see Kamala, just like we did with Biden,

on how terrible of a speaker she is, on terrible points she has, her policies bad because Trump's not going to be able to interrupt her. So we're going to be able to clear her fully and clearly and how terrible her policies are and that's gonna she's gonna lose a lot of points after today yeah i think they were relying on a trump that again i don't think necessarily is guaranteed to show up he knows how to stay disciplined i mean that was one of the best parts of the biden debate which is that he let biden expose himself by just standing there and letting it happen. And I think we can do it again. It's just a question of if she can get under his skin. And I

hope not. Right. Well, and the difference is the policy. President Trump had the most secure border that we've had in nearly 50 years. He had a record economy. We had people were buying homes. We were energy independent. We were energy secure. We were pursuing energy dominance and we were able to prosper. And if you look at the issues, like Birchett said, they are the Biden policies that she is also responsible for. And no one can say because she was the vice president, she didn't have a final say in these policies because she was also the tie-breaking vote in the Senate for the Inflation Reduction Act. And even Joe Biden, he had a gaffe the other day. Most truth I've heard from him in a while.

He said the Inflation Reduction Act, and he's talking about all the Green New Deal policies and over $350 billion that we spent there for renewable energy that's very unreliable. But he said the Inflation Reduction Act and the Green New Deal, we should have called it what it was. It was never supposed to reduce inflation. But also Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote on the infrastructure bill. And all of that money, that 9% of $1.2 trillion that actually went towards infrastructure. She was the border czar. The media has completely discounted that, said she was never the border czar.

She absolutely was. And we have more than 10 million illegal aliens who have come into our country. I was just sitting with a candidate for Congress and a former ICE regional director for all of Colorado and Wyoming and former ICE director Tom Homan and Congressman Chip Roy. And we were in Aurora, Colorado, where the Trend de Aragua gangs are taking over apartment complexes and they are assaulting people, sending them to the hospital. They are extorting them for their rent payments. And this is coming into every community. And you just said, Tim, a little bit ago, talking about this, there are no scandals to point to. And Abbey Gate is

absolutely the greatest scandal that we've had. 13 American soldiers that lost their life. And the American press in this year, April of this year, says that the suicide bombing at the Kabul airport that killed U.S. troops in Afghanistan in August of 2021 was not preventable. And that's straight bullshit. We know that that was preventable. And right then, Joe Biden and his entire administration displayed weakness on the world stage. And we have seen all of these wars come up because of that. And Kamala Harris has been right there with him. The shocking thing about the Abbey Gate scandal is it's several scandals in one.

First, the initial bombing itself, the loss of life, followed by the Biden checking his watch at the ceremony, followed by them being invited to honor these fallen soldiers at Arlington Cemetery, and they did not show up. Biden nor Kamala came. And on top of this, the press insulted and attacked Donald Trump for having gone at the invite of the families. That one really disgusted me.

Yes. They didn't show up. That was bad enough. But the media attacked Trump for accepting an invitation. Right. If I could say something to that, I was on the committee that we had some investigation, Foreign Affairs, which issued the report. The telling part about all that was, to me, and it shows you the mood and the intelligence

of this administration, was the Marine sniper had that guy the suicide bomber not once but twice they'd identified the guy they identified his clothing facial recognition they had uh what he was carrying a a bag and they knew who he was he was stepping off he was marching he was walking through it was very unusual and they didn't have him once but twice and he was refused as i've stated many times they call call him military intelligence. Military intelligence is a lot like congressional ethics. Rather, it does not exist. It doesn't exist.

And this guy, he was there yesterday at the press conference. He was blown to hell, lost a leg, part of his arm. You know, it's just a disgrace. And this administration, their State Department, is completely responsible for that. The blood of those 13 Americans is on their hands. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, she bragged about being the last person in the room with Joe before he made the decision or whatever that decision was. President Trump had a workable plan,, there was checks and balances in there. If they didn't do something,

we weren't pulling this, this group out. If they didn't do that, they just said, we're out and America help. They were hell bent and Americans are still over there. That's the dirty little secret. So,

uh, Americans and a lot of supplies. Yeah. And, and, and our allies that we promised $86 billion. And they said, well, and they flippantly said, well, they can't, hell, they can't fly those supplies. Yeah, and our allies that we promised. $86 billion. $86 billion. And they said, well, and they flippantly said,

well, they can't fly those helicopters. Well, I'll tell you who can. The dadgum communist Chinese who were there that day getting them, showing them how and arming all of our enemies

all over the world. There's also reports that some of those weapons are falling into the hands of Iranians. That's exactly where it's going. Absolutely. Should we have our newcomer introduce himself?

That's a fact. Oh, yeah. Hey, good evening. Congressman Scott Perry from the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Right on. It's a big night for you. Yes. Big night for everybody.

Scott Perry was my chairman in the House Freedom Caucus, so honored to be joined by Mr. Perry here. And this is someone, a two star general who you're about to get your other one. I thought you're about to get your third. See, I don't talk over here. I talk more highly of you than I ought to, I guess. Be careful. All right. He's never done it. I have. But anyway, this is a general here who has really laid down a life of service for, I think, another step in serving our country. And he does an excellent job to keep us on the conservative talking points and messaging

and policy, because that's what's really going to affect change, especially here in this town. Well, maybe you can tell us what talking points you want to hear from Donald Trump tonight, if you're keeping everyone on message. Well, from Pennsylvania, I will tell you, I think what's most important, I'm in Ground Zero, the 10th District, Swing District, Trump must win Pennsylvania, and the people that I talk to every single day tell me about their grocery bills, their gasoline, their electricity, daycare daycare education they can't afford a

new home many young people have moved back to their people i talked to a lady at the doctor's office um she said look i make good money here i have another job i make good money i still had to move back in with my parents because i can't afford it i think that's what the president needs to focus on because people in pennsylvania and I think people around the country can't afford the Harris Biden Harris waltz the leftist agenda in their in their economic lives they literally can't afford to live in their country anymore and and I think that the president obviously has to draw that contrast when he was the president everybody was making money everybody saw opportunity the things were looking up for everybody I mean the people at the has to draw that contrast. When he was the president, everybody was making money. Everybody saw opportunity. The things were looking up for everybody. I mean, the people at the bottom of

the socioeconomic spectrum, at the bottom of the money ladder, saw a way out. And I lived most of my life there, so I know what that means. And to draw the contrast between then and now, I think that's what the president has to do. And the other thing is his safety. People don't feel safe in our community. I don't care where you live. There was a lady killed just close to our town, close to our community. She was out on a rail trail. Some person here that was here illegally took that lady's life. And so people are afraid to go out of their homes. When I grew up in the same town, we used to leave our car keys in the car. We left our front door unlocked.

Now people are scared to go out in their own town. And then you look at the world situation. You've got wars going on. You've got saber rattling going on. People are afraid whether you buy a new F-150 or a toaster, they all have a chip in it. If Taiwan is taken over by China, we're not going to be able to live the life that you live right now in the 21st century. And that's because these policies being projected or being instituted by Harris, Biden, Walls, the left, are destroying our country. And that's where I think he needs to stay And that's what I think he needs to state.

That's what I think he needs to state. I'm curious your guys' opinions on the SAVE Act being attached to the continuing resolution. You want me to start? Go ahead. Okay, so look, I don't love the continuing resolution because essentially we're saying that we're going to vote for spending and the amount of spending and the priorities that we voted against in the past. But we know how Washington works. And so, unfortunately, while I don't like that, this is the only tactical play that we can make that stops the December omnibus. So

understand how this works. What Chuck Schumer and the people on his staff that are literally going to write the spending bill that determined how every 300, all 350 million Americans taxes are going to be spent. That's all done in Chuck Schumer's office. And they love to do that. And we don't have any say in it. All the Democrats will vote for that. Half the Republicans will because you either vote for that or you get accused of shutting down the government. So they're setting up this circumstance. The only way to stop that is to put the CR on the floor that pays for government for the next six months into March, but put something on it that the American people

want and understand, which is the SAVE Act, which all that says is that people that vote in federal elections must be American citizens and states must verify it. When you do that and send that to the Senate, and here's the important point, when we send that to the Senate, we must leave town. We must leave town so the Senate has no other option to either take that. But do you think we will? This really sounds like I'm talking to a general. He's like, here is our battle plan. This is the plan, yes.

All of you better have your tickets booked. Right. Leave town. Take it. So then the narrative becomes because the senate will say this is garbage we don't want to you know the the house is mucking it up and they're confusing things and and we should just fund the government the senate will be in the position of explaining to the american people why they don't want to fund the government so that illegals can

vote in their election make them explain that to the American people. I don't love the circumstances, but this is... When the Confederates came on to Gettysburg looking for shoes and ran into the Union Army, they didn't like the circumstances either. But you've got to fight on the battlefield that you're on, and this is the battlefield we're on. So let's get after it and win the battle. I'm going to leave, and with the continuing resolution, I'm still working through some of that. I've never voted for a CR. I don't think Scott Perry's ever voted for a CR or maybe one with a border plan or something attached to it.

But with this debate, I just want people to be focused on the border and the economy more than anything. Chip Roy has put out an amazing, like, like 37 page PDF on the detailed instances with the border, talking about the 10 million illegal aliens that have come in, talking about the 100,000 of Americans that have been killed by fentanyl poisoning, talking about the amount of tax dollars that's going towards health care. I know Denver Health has spent $42 million, another $74 million for housing and other benefits. We've defunded 9% of our Denver law enforcement to take care of illegal aliens. And all of this is on Biden-Harris because they are the ones who opened up the border.

And if we want to be able to afford to live again, well, we have to shut down the border, stop funding the illegal aliens who are here, and have Congress actually get in control of the purse strings once again. We are the most powerful branch of government. And, you know, I've heard it said that someone went to one of our Supreme Court justices and said, you know, I'm thinking about bringing you a lawsuit about this agency because, you know, they're really abusing their powers and this and that. The bureaucrats are trying to make laws and all this and wanted to bring a case before the Supreme Court. And the justice responded to the senator who was saying this to him and said, I'm so tired of you guys bringing me cases.

If you don't like what these agencies are doing, don't fund them. So that's where we are right now. We have the power of the purse. We hold those purse strings. And if we don't like what these agencies are doing, whether it's the Department of Injustice and going after their political opponents and persecuting them like they have President Trump, like they have Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro and our January 6 protesters and all this, well, don't fund them. If we don't like what the Department of Homeland Security is doing and Secretary Mayorkas and abusing their powers and not keeping our country safe, well, don't fund them.

If we don't like what the Department of Education is doing in promoting transgenderism to our children and causing this confusion and sexualizing them, don't fund them. So that's where I am right now with all of this spending that's going underway here in D.C. Stop funding the chaos and the madness. How do they keep getting funded? Well, that would be a right now it's a divided government, right, where the Senate has seemingly more power because we haven't taken a stand. And so the Senate sends us a crap bill and it ends up getting voted on by the Democrats and a few Republicans who are afraid. And then it gets signed into law by Joe Biden. But we need to take a stand to the point of shutdown. And honestly, if the CR with

the SAVE Act was actually going to be something that we fought for to the bitter end, then I would be more for it. But right now I'm still deciding that because I've seen so many white surrender flags saying, oh, well, we'll pass it, but we know we're going to get something else. So, you know, I don't know if we're really going to fight all the way to a shutdown. So I'm having a little bit of struggles with that. We'll see what goes down. Oh, you're making me nervous. No United front.

We'll see what goes down on the floor tomorrow. But I'll see you all later. We've got Andrew Clyde from Georgia coming up, taking my place. So, God bless y'all. While he's jumping in, Rat Burchett, what do you think? I think it's a bad idea. We've already passed the SAVE Act. We know it's going to happen. Biden, Schumer's not going to touch

it. All this is going to do, everything we're trying to force them to do, to make a decision, they've already done it. The legacy media is not going to beat up on them. We're not going to do anything with it. They'll send it back a clean bill, and then we'll end up passing another CR, which is a CR by definition, continued resolution, just continuing the bad spending policies that we've had in the past. With all the woke stuff that we hate, they're forcing all of us conservatives to vote for,

and yet they've already voted against the SAVE Act. They'll vote against it again, and nothing will happen. But we will be on record, and I'll guarantee you, you'll see that in elections. And I think that's important that you go back to your district saying, this is what I did. It looks like you wanted to say something, and then maybe we can have our new comments introduce themselves. Look, Lauren's not wrong. My good friend from Tennessee, Tim, is not wrong. We have a crisis of confidence here because our leadership has left

us hanging so many times. But as another friend of mine who's sitting out in front of me said one time, courage is contagious. And I will just tell you this this is why i didn't say just vote for the cr with the save act attached to it and stand there vote for the cr with the save action attached attached to it and then leave denying the senate the battlefield you must deny them the battlefield so they can send over anything they want to what a great we won't be present we won't be present to vote on their piece of trash. And they can just suck it down like they always force us to do

because we have people that are weak and feckless. That's what has to happen. It's a fascinating plan. Do we want our two congressmen who have joined us to introduce themselves? Sure. I'm Andrew Clyde, Georgia's ninth district. I've been in Congress since 2021. I'm glad you could join us. Well, thank you. And this is a familiar face. Yeah, Truenio's great state of Texas, the envy of the world. Texas 22nd congressional district,

Southwest Houston. Do you guys have any predictions for the debate tonight? What are you expecting from Kamala Harris? What are you expecting from Trump? Well, I think word salads are probably on the menu tonight. And the only question is going to be, is it a house salad or a Caesar salad? So I think that's definitely what we're going to have. This is going to be Kamala Harris's very first press conference. And it's going to be unscripted.

The country is going to see what she really is like. And they've been trying to hide her now for, you know, two months. And I think the country is going to have an epiphany, kind of like they did during the Biden-Trump debate of a few months earlier. It is amazing, 52 days without any kind of direct media contact, other than when she's chaperoned by good old Timmy. No offense to the other Tims in the room. A couple of them.

Congressman Nelson, do you have any predictions? Yeah, I think she's going to talk, but she's not going to say a whole lot. I think she's not going to talk much about any policy. She's going to let the American people know how great she was as the Attorney General and how she saved San Francisco and the great state of California. She's going to talk about how great of an Attorney General, law and order, going to lock up the criminals. So she's not going to talk a whole lot about any real true substance because there's really nothing for her to talk about. She'll talk about her family. She could talk about growing up and pursuing the American dream

and all the odds she was up against. She could mention Willie Brown. But she's going to talk about those things and not a whole lot of real important policy. I think it's going to be interesting. This will be the first time she'll be confronted on Trump's Project 2025 with Trump himself, who's easily going to say, that's not my plan, I have nothing to do with it. She keeps saying that that's not correct

Yeah, it's amazing how much that is a part of her policy platform I mean every single tab has some kind of connection 2025 was Trump's, you know Distance itself run and confronted it many times. I have to say you have Donald Trump hugging the flag on your tie right now So I think oh I got something There are accessories that go with this. Oh, my gosh. You have the Trump gold shoes. Whoa, you got some of those? Tim, you don't have a pair of those, do you?

No, I don't. I'd like a pair of those. We actually want, I want to skate in them. Let me tell you, they're tough to get. I believe you. Did you win a poker game or something? I'm not going to tell you all that. So you guys have how many days left?

There's only like 18 voting days in September, right, for Congress? Something like that, yeah. Is it 18? 18? Three weeks at four days. I don't know about 18. I think it's less than that. Less than that?

About 12? 11. 11 days. No, 10. You're up 10. 10? 10 days. Okay, bye.

I guess we'll see you never. So in addition to the CR with the SAVE Act, are there any big objectives that you have? The General's already ready. Well, no, I was just, since you counted the days, there, ergo, my plan of voting for the CR with the SAVE Act and leave town and deny the battlefield. Right. You know, Congress doesn't do a lot of huge things right before a general

election they don't want to rock the boat and never do so I don't think you're gonna see anything earth-shattering certainly not anything that's gonna set up a fight with the Senate you know run by Chuck Schumer which everything we do should be a fight set up as a fight with the Senate right so no I don't expect any thought that this debate is gonna set the stage I think you're gonna see the living virtue living version of virtual reality in Kamala Harris. I think that she is going to be highly scripted. She's going to say, I'm speaking.

She's going to have a couple one-liners, and they're going to try and soundbite through this thing. I don't think they're going to let her do word salad. I think she's going to be highly scripted. You're going to believe that she has a teleprompter in front of her and she's not real because she's not real. I mean, Bernie Sanders said the quiet part out loud, right? That she's just saying whatever she has to say to get elected. She is true to her values, but all leftists and socialists can't tell the American people that because the people don't like that. so she's going to stand up there say what she's got to say be since try and be sincere about it and it's going to it's going to be like a

award-winning act i just love how desperate the kamala camp was to have speak uh the microphones turned on so she could do the i'm speaking thing right that's her thing right yeah that's all i have and now what they're doing is apparently i heard, they're going to put journalists as close to the stage as possible so that if Trump does say something while she's speaking, they can still try and get the I'm speaking narrative going. Right, right. That's her thing. So you're going to see that. I had heard, I was listening to this analysis of her past debate performances,

and they said during 2020 there was one primary debate where she did particularly well uh and remember it's primary there were a ton of democrats at the time but she was pushing back on joe biden's stance uh from the 1970s on on segregated bushing right and she said she called him a racist right she called him racist and she surged in the polls but she has now aligned herself with this person she called a racist so what emotional tactic does she have left i mean she's really run out of stuff from her bag of tricks. You're a linear thinker. You're thinking, if I said this today, then I can't unsay it tomorrow. Democrats and the left don't ever think that way. They say whatever is expedient at this moment, and if something contradicts it completely the next

moment, that's fine with them personally, and it's fine with their party and their voters. That's the unfortunate thing for conservatives and people that actually think logically. That blows our mind. But they have no compunction about lying straight-faced to the American people and acting like it's the truth. So are you expecting her to just distance herself as much as possible from the Biden-Harris administration? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do expect her to just act like she had nothing to do with it. She wasn't the last person in the room for Afghanistan,

had nothing to do with any of these decisions. I'm just the vice president. I don't even know that guy. How does she answer these questions when Trump says, do it now? She says, oh, we want to fix the economy. We're going to cut taxes for the middle class. We're going to X, Y, and Z. And Trump says, okay, do it now.

How does she respond to that? I'll tell you that they're trying to craft the narrative that she is somehow this new individual just showing up on the scene she's the incumbent i mean this is the vice president of the united states she was the last person in the room when joe biden made all those terrible decisions she owns those decisions no different than joe biden owns those decisions so you know to to say that that anything different i think is is just completely false and you know the general's right when you say that uh they'll say anything they'll change their narrative whatever fits the moment it's the ends justify the means for the democrats and then mainstream media simply will

not hold them accountable for that they if if right for that moment and they think that they can snow some voter, they'll say whatever they want to say. And they won't be held accountable for it. And that's a massive problem. The voter needs to be educated. And I think tonight's going to be a great education for the voter. I hope everybody tunes in to listen to it because you're going to see Kamala Harris with no real policy positions that she can defend.

Yeah, I think she won't be able to. She hasn't been able to defend anything right now. She's... Well, it depends what poll you listen to. I mean, she's within the margin of error in a lot of these. I don't know. There's going to have to be a breakout moment in this debate, I think,

for people to really pay attention. I don't know. What we do know is I don't think the American people really know who she is because she's just really done nothing in three and a half years but continued to destroy this country under Joe Biden. But we have 60 days to define her. We've got several hundred million dollars in the bank. And over the airwaves over the next 60 days, days to define her. We've got several hundred million dollars in the bank. And over the airwaves over the next 60 days, we will define her.

If you look at that ACLU, that little survey she took back in 2019, and I've got it on my phone. She says, I make a pledge. I'm going to end immigrant detention. That means we're not locking up anybody. How do you think the American people feel about that? I'm going to fund, taxpayer-funded, gender care and transition surgeries for detained immigrants. You just put those things out there. This was her survey back in the ACLU.

So I think once we get that out on the airwaves, the broadcasts, and we hammer her, I mean, she's not too bright. She isn't. She's not too bright. I think she has a very limited bandwidth. I think Trump wins the debate but there's gonna have to be some type of a blockbuster moment uh... because the media will capture thirty seconds of her doing something

while doing debate and that's all they'll play i think we need to make sure that uh... i understand that the talking point of she hasn't done anything because the country has not improved the economy is not doing well but i i prefer to say she's a lot how much has done a tremendous amount of things to this country she cast the tie-breaking votes in the senate which means all of the policies that have backfired or failed

personal accomplishments with with with if if not for her i mean she could shut these things down it came down to her as a tie-breaking vote the the Senate. She decided we will roll with these things, and they have failed. So when people are wondering why LL Flooring, Big Lots, other big chain stores are filing for bankruptcy, shutting down, why they can't walk to a Walgreens anymore to get their prescriptions, you can ask Kamala Harris about why she thought the Inflation Reduction Act or any of these policies they pushed forward were effective, and why would we assume she's been to anything different if she were to win

the presidency uh... what i was say there is if she's not going to talk a lot about accomplishments can she has an accomplishing and if she has a been failures itself that well if she's a marxist what had her goal is to destroy america's accomplished a lot and they go back well her values have never changed, so, you know,

she doesn't have to defend anything. She's an interesting character because she presents, or at least people are acting as if she is both very experienced and also the underdog newcomer. I mean, I've heard several interviews with undecided voters who say, oh, well, Trump's got this brash personality, and I don't know about this, that, or the other, but we don't actually know anything about Kamala Harris,

so we don't know if we can vote for her. I mean, it's almost worse that she has both been a high-profile AG in the Senate and the VP and the American people still do not think they know this person. That's not, how can you run an election like that? Simultaneously positioned as the incumbent and the complete outsider and brand new fresh face.

And that's how they're marketing her. They're trying to target every possible algorithmic demographic. I wonder if the reason we notice this is that as people who are involved in actively, such as yourselves in Congress, or those of us who pay attention heavily to the news, we can see each and every soundbite and every bit of garbage. I wonder if the strategy that they're using is upload 10 different ads. Each political ad represents something contradictory, but let the Google and Facebook algorithms send those ads to the appropriate people. So you'll get some 60-year-old grandma, and she sees this Kamala

Harris showing the border wall saying we want security. And then at the same time, an ad will appear for a 25-year-old where she says, protect our migrants and refugees. Seemingly contradictory. Not 100%, but contradictory enough. I wonder if, I'm just speculating because I don't know there's any evidence to suggest this, but I feel like we'll at least get to that point where politicians will just say, look, if I'm going to run an ad on social media and Google's going to decide to send an ad to only a bunch of grandmothers, I can say whatever I want because they'll never see me be pro-sex change operations for immigrants. And then they can send that one to the woke leftist young people,

and they'll never see her saying build the wall. I don't know, Tim. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that that's exactly what's been happening and will happen. I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that that's exactly what's been happening and will happen. I think there's a lot of evidence to suggest that. If you're not watching the weaponization committee's hearings on censorship and how they throttle and monitor and make sure that only you see certain things, making sure you see certain things is by transposition saying that you don't see other things. And that's exactly what you're talking about i'll give you a big one we hit we uh had uh dr robert epstein on the show

and he said that i believe it was facebook i want to be careful here because i believe he's talking about facebook on election day they send 100 percent of democrats that so he's tracking democrats and republicans 100 percent of democrats received a don't forget to vote notification on their profiles and only around sixty five to seventy percent republicans got the same thing is massive massive voter manipulation children and they can't and they can find a good to just say oh you know we don't know the algorithm i mean there's a reason that everyone was sort of uh... semi praising mark zuckerberg when he came out of that all i'm not going to

endorse this year, and we're going to try and keep Facebook neutral. The American public is aware that social media is manipulated, but it's woven into the fabric of their daily lives in a way that they also can't turn it off. And I find that to be sort of troubling. It's like we're aware that there's corruption, but also sort of dependent on the corruption.

We're accepting of it, right? We just baked it into our daily lives, and we think that we can rise above the subliminal messaging that's constantly trying to manipulate our thoughts and our actions. And many of us, we have our own minds, and we act accordingly. But there's a lot of people. Look, people have a lot going on. They're dealing with the bills they can't pay.

They're dealing with their family issues work issues and and they're not you know people say well i don't get into politics i just want to live my life yes we know the politics gets into you but they don't think about in the those terms that uh... everyday every moment that i'm looking at this that somebody's trying to manipulate me they don't think of it in those terms i think it's i think it's a big wake-up

call for people than the mass people, the mass illegal migration crisis, with many Democrat voters in big cities now seeing the repercussions. But sorry, you were going to say something. You can see that it's the policy decisions of the current administration that is negatively affecting the lives of every solitary American, whether it's inflation, and yes, Kamala Harris was the deciding vote on the inflation reduction act which actually did the exact opposite of what it said or the american rescue plan which didn't

rescue america at all i mean those two things she owns that and if she doesn't know what's in it i'm sorry she's responsible for it because she voted for it she was the one to make sure it passed the senate all right but from the from inflation to to an an unsecure border to the crime that has come from that i mean my hometown's athens georgia now that's where lake and rodley was brutally murdered by an illegal alien from guatemala i'm sorry from venezuela i'm known to the biden administration right known and not only that that person came in in the parole program through the parole program of the Biden administration. He owns that.

She owns that 100%. She's not putting illegal aliens in jail. She's not deporting them. She owns that. And speaking of scandals from the Biden administration, I mean, he called her Lincoln during the State of Virginia address. I mean, there are so many flippant moments that I feel like both Biden and Harris demonstrate consistently that they don't really care about the American people. And I know, you know, you could get an independent voter who says, well, all politicians, either side of the aisle are only in it for themselves. But, you know, I just don't think that the, you know, a conservative or libertarian treats americans the way that democrats do they expect

compliance they give you fear and they continue to say well we're doing what's best for us and not for you well before i leave and i gotta run here um but i i think andrew's right and i think you're right ma'am and i think the shining example is the uh the young service members that lost their lives at the abbey gate knowing that all this time later, you know, they haven't been contacted, the administration hasn't offered their condolences, nothing. And, you know, I think even if it's your family and your family member that was lost in a time of war, it is hard to resist a call or, you know, an engagement with the President of the United States, even though you might disagree with the policy.

It's just hard to resist that. But even if it is in their best interest, and I think it would be in the best interest politically for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to talk to these families, they simply, literally do not care about them. It is the ultimate disgrace as a leader. It's commander in chief, right? You're not wearing the uniform, but you're in charge of the uniform services, and to have your service members die on the battlefield and then fail, not fail, refuse to acknowledge that significant loss, to me that disqualifies you completely to be the commander-in-chief and to be the president or the vice president of the United States. But with that, thank you for the opportunity.

It's awesome to hang out with you. But the iconic photo of that, all right, was when those 13 service members, flag-draped caskets, came to Dover Air Base. What did you see? You saw the President, the Commander-in-Chief, looking at his watch going, what time is it? I need to be out of here. I've been here too long. I have to go to Delaware now. I have to here too long. I have to go to Delaware now. I have to go on vacation. I've got

to do something else. I don't want to be here. That's what it says. The service members didn't have any more time. Right, they did not. Thank you so much for joining us, General. That one really, really, really pisses me off. As a combat veteran, that infuriated me.

And then Pesaki ran cover for him. I mean, they all sort of tried to say, no, no, it's the wrong angle. And actually, he was, I don't even know what they tried to claim. I mean, this is the failure of the media in my eyes, which is everyone will have a person they prefer to vote for. But you should be honest when it comes to the American people and be honest when they have let those people down. Right.

It took Mike Johnson today in that gold medal ceremony, the first time those 13 families ever heard an apology from the United States government was this morning when Speaker Johnson apologized to them for the failures of this government in protecting their service members. You know, and it's the gold medal ceremony was an incredible ceremony. I think it helped at least a little bit in the healing process for these families. But but for that to be the very first time is just is a disgrace.

And it just shows you the failure in leadership on of this particular administration and you know the entire world sees it i agree i good part of it is joe biden during his state of the union said we haven't had any military deaths while i've been in office and you just want to scream i mean in fact we did have a a family member of uh one of one of the 13 who was taken out of of uh right that's exactly exactly right. Because at least somebody was in there to hold them accountable. I mean, the fact that this would be a scandal-free administration is just a blatant lie. How disgusting is that for Joe Biden to have said that

in the presence of this man? Yeah, but when the dishonest media provides cover for them, and they have, and what they'll do is they'll totally flip it, and they'll talk about President Trump saying something about veterans being suckers and this and that which he never said so the dishonest media they're not journalists anymore they're activists they're activists and i think most of the american people really can't trust what the media says today you can't believe what you see on tv or read or what you hear on the radio but i tell you i'm remaining optimistic i think think Donald Trump is going to do well in the debate tonight.

I spent a lot of time in the state of Wisconsin over the last month, and the left is going to tell you, the women, they don't want Donald Trump. They don't like Donald Trump. We had a lot of women, a lot of women say, we love Donald Trump. We're going to support him. We're going to vote for him. A lot of young people registering voters in the state of Wisconsin. I was there last weekend, had a big rally in Bozeman.

I tell you, there's a lot of energy in the state of wisconsin we win wisconsin we win pennsylvania we win this thing and i got to have faith and confidence in our electorate that they're smart enough to see these two candidates we've got a a doofus over here that really hasn't accomplished anything but destruction versus a former president that when he ran this country we were on cruise control we didn't have any crises under donald trump other than covet right compared to what we see today so i think this is a no-brainer for the american people we are no-brainer we are about four and a half minutes out from the debate beginning so it's starting to get uh can i uh say real real quick uh sure we had um you know uhIP to all the 13 service members for Afghanistan,

the debacle, the surrender, what he says, surrender. But we also had three service members killed in Jordan for a drone attack. That's right. So we have a grand total of 16, not just 13. So 16 have died under Joe Biden's watch. And those three service members were from the state of Georgia, from my state. You know, what I want the American people to understand and to know, that it's

policy that matters. It's truly policy that will either, it's either good policy or bad policy. Inflation, a secure border, which leads to a secure nation, or an unsecure border, which is a nation in peril. You have increasing crime. You have lack of energy independence, all related to policies. But what do the Democrats want to concentrate on personality it's policy not personality right but I'll tell you there is one place that personality makes a difference and it makes a difference just as much as policy and that's when you're sitting across the table from a enemy on the world stage when you're sitting across the table from Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping or

little rocket man all right or Ham hamas or or the houthis hezbollah or iran that's where personality makes a difference and on the world stage donald trump is not only respected he's feared and that's a beautiful thing andrew you're absolutely right and i tell some of those that are concerned about his name calling i said listen this is an election for president we're not electing the pope this isn't a race for listen, this is an election for president. We're not electing the Pope. This isn't a race for Pope, right? This is an election for the president of the United States, and he was the greatest thing, the greatest president in my

lifetime. And again, I think the American people are smarter than the vet. You're absolutely right. Let's focus on the policy. I think that is the key to the debate tonight. I think part of it is, you know, Harris can only focus on personality because she has nothing else to offer. Right.

And even then, I don't really think she has a personality. I mean, how many times do you have to copy a pop star in your campaign ads and slogans to tell me that you're not original? I mean, there is a reason the MAGA hat is iconic. She's just trying to rip off what she thinks young voters are interested in. I think you guys are both getting tapped out. But it's been so nice to have you here. We are three minutes and counting until the debate begins.

Mr. Mills, you were about to say something? Tim, it's good to see you again. I'll see you about getting you a pair of shoes. Oh, I want a pair of those shoes. I'd have to come back out and see you, though. Come back out, man. I know it. Yeah. Come back out. Thank you for what you do. God bless you guys. Appreciate it. Thanks for joining us. And we have a newcomer to the stage.

Oh, we have a couple got there are two and a half minutes so come introduce yourselves on andy harris i have a representative from maryland i'm a one of the chairman was uh... set appropriations subcommittees and i'm a member of the freedom caucus you're the better harris so i i i i think that that's right my cousin out of the book there's gotta be western maryland no eastern really does the only two conservative all out very west are tonight. That's right. My cousin, don't vote for her. So it's got to be Western Maryland then? No, Eastern. Really? Those are the only two conservative parts. The very Western and the very Eastern.

What about the gentleman sitting next to you? Congressman Andy Ogles from Tennessee. I've got part of Nashville and then mostly Southern Middle Tennessee. Right on. Well, you guys got two minutes. What do you think is about to happen? Well, it's going to be a train wreck is what it's going to be.

I mean, I think Harris wanted the mics on so she could, she's a former prosecutor, so she wanted to nag him, get under his skin, get him flustered, get him mad so that he would say something, you know, kind of out of character or inflammatory. But now that the mics are going to be muted, it's a different game plan. And so as long as he sticks to the script and focuses on the issues, when you look at the contrast, this is over. We win. And look, she's like Joe Biden.

She needs notes. I mean, I don't know how she's going to do this without notes. I mean, this is not – she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Are their aides allowed to talk to them during commercial breaks? With Biden, they weren't allowed to. It's too late. I mean, commercial breaks are too late. You know, this is back and forth. If you're not on your toes, you don't know what's going on. It's going to be she has the potential to be really sad tonight. That's all I can tell you. Donald Trump's a guy who can talk forever. Yes. Yeah.

She's going to unburden what has been. She's going to unburden Democrats from what their preconceptions of her have been. That's the point. They know that she could do very badly tonight. She's going to talk, but say nothing. There's going to be a lot of scripted

statements that are supposed to sound profound so that the woke mainstream media can interpret them. They've set the bar so low as long as she doesn't fall asleep up there and she's breathing she will have exceeded expectations she will have done better than joe biden and so that's the story tomorrow is that she exceeded expectations i'm gonna i'm gonna say this just for the for the sound bite i think she'll do a little better than people expect that way if she does perform well i'll be like see i

told you that's right that's because everybody's coming i'll tell you everybody's coming out saying trump's gonna crush her she's gonna fail miserably and there's a possibility that she does better than we expect and a lot of people are gonna say okay well she did better than we expect right i mean this is a former united states prosecutor the fact that she's uh her team had put out a statement saying well actually you know donald Trump is a very seasoned debater. He's done so many. And it's really, it's very different. They're trying to distance herself from any responsibility.

Theoretically, she made her job out of arguing. I mean, she built her career on arguing. What do you mean you can't handle this? For the soundbite, Kamala is going to win the debate. You guys are just trying to be rebellious tonight. I tweeted twice that she'll win a 49 state landslide. Because what you do is, on Twitter, there was this guy who accurately predicted some Super Bowl in the final play and how it was going to go down. And everyone's like, how did he predict this a year in advance?

It's because he tweeted like 300 things. And then one by one deleted them all. He's like, wow, I'm so good at this. The ABC News debate is beginning. And around the world tonight. Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president. And I'm Lindsay Davis. Tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away. For Vice President

Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st. Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June. Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic. And that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate. 90 minutes with two commercial breaks. No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns. The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock. That's what they'll be seeing, two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.

Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak. No pre-written notes allowed. There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met. President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening. Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right.

So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage. Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump. Do you think we'll get a handshake between the two of them? Gotta do it. Come on, it's only right. Oh, Trump said no. Oh, okay. It looks like Trump was not... Thank you. Have fun.

Welcome to you both. It's wonderful to have you. It's an honor to have you both here tonight. Good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate. So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago?

When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? So I was raised as a middle class kid. There we go. And I'm actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people.

And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing. And the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually, my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us we call her our second mother I love our small businesses my plan is to give a $50,000

tax deduction over to start up small businesses about a wreck knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy my opponent on the other hand his plan is to do what he has done before yep which is to do what he has done before. Yep. Which is to provide tax cuts to corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on

to get through the month. Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires. President Trump, I'll give you two minutes. First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows that.

We're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world. And the tariff will be substantial in some cases. I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't. It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do. They're taking in billions of dollars from China

and other places they've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs, and yet I had no inflation. Look, we've had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before, probably the worst in our nation's history. We were at 21 percent, but that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70 and 80

percent higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums. And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African-Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are going to be affected very soon. And you see what's happening. You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado. They are taking over the towns. They're taking over buildings. They're going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden led into our country and they're destroying our country. They're dangerous. They're at the highest level of criminality

and we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I'll do it again and even better. We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate, but I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm going to tell you all in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook a bunch of lies, grievances, and name-calling. What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025.

Oh, my God. Everybody drink. If he were elected again. I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together. I think she's run out of all the talking points. And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans. President Trump will give you a minute here to respond. Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going

to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I'm an open book. Everybody knows what I'm going to do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before. We had the greatest economy. We got hit with a pandemic and the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 million people died. Has there been anything like it? We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic. We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. We made ventilators

for the entire world. We got gowns. We got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible. And people give me credit for rebuilding the military. They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic. But the only jobs they got were bounce back jobs. These were jobs bounce back and it bounced back and it went to their benefit. But I was the one that created them. They know it. And so does everybody else. Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond. Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it's all tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy. And the best economists in our country, if not the world,

have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America. What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit. Sixteen Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you

because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you. Wow. That's just a soundbite. They gave her that to say. Look, I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan. It's a great plan. It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country. It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of good, solid money for our country. And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan. She copied Biden's plan. And it's like four sentences, like run, spot, run. Four sentences that are just, oh, we're trying to lower taxes. She doesn't have a plan.

She can't even take it in. She can't comprehend. She doesn't have a plan. Mr. President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up. The vice president brought up the tariffs. You responded, and let's drill down on this. Because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax. Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board.

You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20 percent on goods coming into this country. As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer. Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year. Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs? They're not going to have higher prices. What's going to happen, who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.

I charge, I was the only president ever, China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars, and so were other countries. And, you know, if she doesn't like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs. But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration. We're going to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars. I had no inflation, virtually no inflation. They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time. People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else. The people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done.

They've destroyed the economy. And all you have to do is look at a poll. The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible. Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response. And you heard what the president said there because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place. So how do you respond? Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America. He invited trade wars.

You want to talk about his deal with China. What he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century, which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI and quantum computing. Focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having, on the short end of the stick, in terms of workers' rights. But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during COVID.

Look at his tweet. Thank you, President Xi! When we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID. Whoa, wait a minute. They bought their chips from Taiwan.

We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have. I don't say her because she has no policy. Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat. If she ever got elected, she'd change it. Oh, she's laughing. It will be the end of our country. She's a Marxist. Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well. Now she's excited. She's excited. She's done to our country. And when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, You look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly. Well, she's crossing her own overself, so she's feeling defensive. I believe 21 million people, not the 15 that people say. And I think it's a lot higher than the 21.

That's bigger than New York State pouring in. And just look at what they're doing to our country. They're criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals. And that's bad for our economy, too. You know, you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later. Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. They have, and she has, destroyed our country with policy that's insane. Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate

our country. President Trump, thank you. Lindsay? I want to turn to the issue of abortion. President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v. Wade. Last year, you said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history. Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights. In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short. And you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need more than six weeks. But then, the very next day, you reversed course

and said you would vote to support the six-week ban. Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion, because you've changed your position so many times. Therefore, why should they trust you? Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor, is doing an excellent

job. But the governor before, he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute the baby. And that's why I did that, because that predominates because they're radical. The Democrats are radical in that. And her vice presidential pick, which I think is a horrible pick, by the way, because he is really out of it. But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth. It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born is OK. And that's not OK with me. Hence the vote.

But what I did is something for 52 years. They've been trying to get Roe v. Wade into the states. And through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that. Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. I believe strongly in it. Ronald Reagan did also. Eighty five percent of Republicans do exceptions. Very important. But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it. And for the first time, you're going to see, look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years. Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all

wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And that's what happened. Happened. Now, Ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought. But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of the people now. It's not tied up in the federal government. I did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it. And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it. And I give tremendous credit to those six justices. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born. Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to that. Well, as I said, you're gonna hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact. Let's understand how we got here.

Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade. And they did exactly as he intended. And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care. In one state, it provides prison for life. Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. That is immoral. And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree. The government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman who's too extreme, you can't pour a Planned Parenthood and then come out and say, I'm the more reasonable one. body. I have talked with women around our country. You want to talk about this is what people

wanted? Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot? She didn't want

that? Her husband didn't want that? A 12 or 13 yearold survivor of incest? Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term? They don't want that? And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v. Wade as President of the United States,

I will proudly sign it into law. But understand, if Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand, his project 2025, there will be a national abortion monitor that will be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages. I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government. I think this is the only thing she's rehearsed enough to talk about at least. Thank you, Vice President Harris. Well, there she goes again. It's a lie. I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban, because we've gotten what everybody wanted. Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else,

and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states. And the states are voting. And it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart. And they've wanted it back in the states. And I did something that nobody thought was possible. The states are now voting. What she says is an absolute lie. And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion

ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states. Would you veto a national abortion ban? Well, I won't have to because again, two things. Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress. She'll never get the the vote there's impossible for her to get the vote especially now with the 50 50 and essentially 50 50 in both senate and the house she's not going to get the vote she can't get the vote she won't even come close to it so it's just talk you know what it reminds me of when they said they're going to get student loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe the student loans and then her i think probably her boss if you call him a boss he spends all his time on the beach but her boss went out and said we'll do it again we'll do it a different way and he went out got rejected again by the

supreme court so all these students got taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans they didn't get it for free but they were saying it's the same way that they talked about that that they talk about abortion but if i could just get a yes or no because you're running me jd vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk. Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D. in all fairness. J.D. and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't. Look, we don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it, just like she couldn't get student loans. They

couldn't get student loans. They didn't even come close to getting student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans. One of the biggest false promises of the Biden campaign. So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress. Wonderful. Let's go to Congress, do it. But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government. And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion. Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond, but I do want to ask, would you support any restrictions

on a woman's right to an abortion? I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade. And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America. And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans. I can't do four years of her speaking for the women of America. I'm personally not okay with that. And dream of having a family.

Are being denied IVF treatments. Oh, my gosh. What is happening in our country? Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford child care as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the health care she needs. Barely can afford to do it,

and what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And the people of America have not, the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom. Vice President. Excuse me, I have to respond. Another lie. It's another lie.

I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization. The IVF, I have been a leader. In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts. I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in. I've been a leader on it. They know that and everybody else knows it. I have been a leader on fertilization IVF. And the other thing they, you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month? Why don't you ask her that month? That's it. Come on. Why didn't she say it? Why don't you ask her that question? Why don't you answer the question?

Would you veto? Because under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month. That's not true. And probably after birth. Just look at the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. President Trump, thank you.

We're going to turn now to immigration and border security. We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country. Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America. We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration. She's like, I don't even know Joe Biden. I high in the Biden administration. This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly. But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act? And would

you have done anything differently from President Biden on this? So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill, which I supported. And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States. I know there are so many

families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country. And to be clear, under the Biden administration. That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill? Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said, kill the bill. And you know why? Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And I'll tell you something.

He's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised. And I'm going to actually do something really unusual. And I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. Have you ever been to one? You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early of exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you.

You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires. And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first, and I pledge to you that I will. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response. Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that man successfully so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border? First, let me respond to the rallies.

She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason. The people that do go, she's busing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light. So she can't talk about that. People don't like my rallies. The biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That's because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject, what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country

and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people... They're eating the cats.

They're eating... I mean, I didn't hear anybody talk. Mainstream media is going to freak out tomorrow. This is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our

country back. They want to make America great again. It's a very simple phrase. Make America great again. She's destroying this country, and if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success, we'll end up being Venezuela on steroids. I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach

out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals. Oh, yeah. There's a fact. Oh, look at the back. There's a back. Let me just say here, this is the... The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager. I'm not taking this from television.

The people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there. Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that. Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard. You talk about extreme. No, the laugh. This is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney,

and John McCain. I don't think that's the way she thinks it is. Former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Wes Cheney. And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear

already, just ask people who have worked with him. His former chief of staff, a four-star general, has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States. His former national security advisor has said he is dangerous and unfit. Less on character, more on immigration. His former secretary of

defense has said the nation, the republic, would never survive another Trump term. And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election. President Trump, I'll give you a quick minute to respond.

Thank you, because when I hear that, see, I'm a different kind of a person. I fired most of those people. I didn't say you actually did bad things or a bad job. I fired them. They never fired one person. They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed.

And I got to know the parents and the family. They didn't fire. They should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen. So when somebody does a bad job, I fire him. And you take a guy like Esper. He was no good. I fired him. So he writes a book. Another one writes a book because with me, they write books with nobody else can they? But they have done such a poor job and they never fire anybody. Look at the economy. Look at the inflation. They didn't fire any of their economists. They have the same people. That's a good way not to have books written about you. But just

to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far. In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president in history by far. But more on immigration. Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country.

You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the U.S. military. You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?

Use the issue. It is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists. They allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in, drug dealers to come into our country. And they're now in the United States and told by their countries like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down? You know why? Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country. And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow. And I think they probably did it because mistakes in history for them to allow.

And I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes. But it's not worth it because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done. There's never been anything done like this at all. They've destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in. And all over the world, crime is down. All over the world except here. Crime here is up and through the roof.

Despite their fraudulent statements that they made, crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible. President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down on this country. Excuse me. The FBI defrauded. They were defrauding statements. They didn't include the cities.

They didn't include the cities with the worst crime. It was a fraud. Just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud. President Trump, thank you. I'll let you respond. I believe Chicago and L.A. are out of the facts. Well, I think this is so rich. Coming from someone who has been prosecuted.

That's her name. She was not going to go low. Remember that. Election interference has been found liable for sexual assault. She's only talking about his character. And his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing. And let's be clear. I wish he would just say that.

Where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement. The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents. Get this. On the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts. So let's talk about what is important in this race.

It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people, address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for, address what we must do do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for. Address what we must do to support our small businesses. Address bringing down the price of groceries. But frankly, the American people are exhausted with this same old tired playbook. Vice President Harris, thank you. Excuse me.

Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent. And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal. And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court. I'm winning most of them. But those are cases. It's called weaponization. Never happened in this country. They weaponized the Justice Department. Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ from Atlanta and Fawny Willis to the attorney general of New York and the DA in New York. Every one of those cases. And then they say, oh, he was he's a criminal. They're the ones that made them go after me.

By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case. And what happened in my documents case? They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all. A complete and total victory. Two months ago, it was thrown out. It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country. They used it to try and win an election. They're fake cases.

President Trump, thank you. A really quick response to your Vice President Harris on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department. Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place. The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again. Understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States, that he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies. Someone who has openly expressed disdain

for members of our military. Understand what it mean if donald trump were back in the white house with no guardrails because certainly we know now the court won't stop him we know jd vance is not going to stop him it's up to the american people vice president thank you lindsey vice president harris in your last run for president this is the one that weaponized not me she weaponized i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy with a fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation that went nowhere.

We have a lot to get to. Lindsey? Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking. Now you don't. You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings. Now you're taking a harder line.

I know you say that your values have not changed. So then why have so many of your policy positions changed? So my values have not changed. I mean, it least every point that you've made. But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania. I made that very clear in 2020. I will not ban fracking. I have not banned fracking. That was after 2019 when she said she would. I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking. My position is that we

have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil. As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hard working mother who worked and saved and was able to buy her first home when I was a teenager. The values I bring to the importance of homeownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times, is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes, increase by 3 million homes by the end of May 1st.

My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather. And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable. My work that is about protecting social security and Medicare is based on longstanding work that I have done, protecting seniors from scams. My values have not changed. And what is important is that there is a president

who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name calling. The true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down, it's in lifting people up. I intend to be that president. President Trump, your response? Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400 million.

I wish I was. My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him. But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars, many, many billions. And when people see it, they are even surprised. So we don't have to talk about that fracking. She's been against it for 12 years. Defund the police. She's been against that forever. She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly. And everybody's laughing at it. OK, they're all laughing at it.

She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like she was big on defund the police in Minnesota. She went out. Wait a minute. I'm talking now. Oh! Oh! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out!

He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out!

He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! He got out! She did things that nobody would ever think of. Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. This is a radical left liberal that would do this. She wants to confiscate your guns, and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania.

If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. Just to finish, one thing so important in my opinion. So I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before. They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it. And the prices were going up the roof. They immediately let these guys go to where they were. I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago. They got it up to where I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling. You saw what happened to gasoline. So they said, let's go back to Trump.

But if she won the election the day after that election, they'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead. Fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead. Fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out. You ever see a solar plant? By the way, I'm a big fan of solar, but they take 400, 500 acres of desert soil. President Trump, we have a lot of issues that we have to get to. We're out of time. Thank you.

Lindsay, thank you. We have an election in just 56 days. And I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis. Mr. President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol. You said you would be right there with them. The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack. Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office. You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message telling your supporters to go home.

Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day? You just said a thing that isn't covered. Peacefully and patriotically, I said during my speech, not later on. Peacefully and patriotically. And nobody on the other side was killed. Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out-of-control police officer that should have never, ever shot her. It's a disgrace. But we didn't do this group of people that have

been treated so badly. I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in? She was the border czar. Remember that she was the border czar. She doesn't want to be called the border czar because she's embarrassed by the border. In fact, she said at the beginning, well, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet. That's because she knows what a bad job they've done. What about those people? What are they going to be prosecuted? When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America, they're coming in from all over the world, David, all over the world. And crime rates are down all over the world because of it. But let me just ask you, But one of those, David, one of those people are going to be prosecuted.

I like that he is not going for this meeting. One of the people that burned down Minneapolis is going to be prosecuted. Or in Seattle. They went into Seattle. They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle. One of those people are going to be prosecuted. But let me just ask you. You might ask her that question.

You were the president. You were watching it unfold on television. It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day? I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech. I showed up for a speech. I said, I think it's going to be big. I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C., and the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it. And again, it wasn't done by me. It was done by others. I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers. They rejected me. Nancy Pelosi rejected me. It was just two weeks ago. Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened.

They want to get rid of that tape. It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs. I wasn't responsible for security. Nancy Pelosi was responsible. She didn't do her job. The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi. But I do want Vice President Harris to respond. I don't need his editorial take at the end.

I was at the Capitol on January 6th. I was the vice president-elect. I was also an acting senator. I was there. And on that day, the president of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's Capitol, to desecrate our nation's capital on that day 140 law enforcement officers were injured emotional and some died and understand at some point former president has been indicted and impeached of all days for exactly that reason but this is not an isolated situation let's remember charlottville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic

hate. And what did the president then at the time say? There were fine people on each side. Let's remember that when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said stand, a militia. Did she not notice the backtrack?

Is she that stupid? Stand back and stand by. So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say we don't have to go back. Let's not go back. We're not going back. It's time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you,

well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome. And be clear on that point. Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath. No, he doesn't. The outcome of this election is not to his liking. She should fire what we're prepping. He's not good. Go back.

Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past. Let me just follow up here. It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where Bloodbath was. Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Jesse, all of these people, they covered it. If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect. It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up just like they bring

2025 up. They bring all of this stuff up. I ask you this. You talk about the Capitol. Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border? How come she's not doing it? And I'll tell you what I would do. And I would be very proud to do it. I would say we both leave this debate right now. I'd like to see her go down to Washington, D.C. during this debate because we're wasting a lot of time. Go down to because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous, go down to Washington, D.C., and let her sign a bill to close up the border, because they have the right to do it. They don't need bills. They have the right to do it. The president of the United States, you'll get him out of bed, you'll wake him up,

and you'll say, come on, come on down to the office, let's sign a bill. If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border patrol, who are phenomenal. If they do that, the border is closed. Those people are killing many people, unlike J6. We talked immigration here tonight. I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you because it really brings us this into focus, truth in these times that we're living in. Mr. President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide. In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate,

you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short. I said that? Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020? No, I don't acknowledge that at all. I said that sarcastically. You know that. And we said, oh, we lost by a whisker. That was said sarcastically. Look, there's so much proof. All you have to do is look at it. And they should have sent it back to the legislature for approval. I got almost 75 million votes. The most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten. The election, people should never be thinking about an election as fraudulent. We need two things. We need walls. We need, and we have to have it.

We have to have borders and we have to have good elections. Our elections are bad. And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. They can't even speak English. They don't even know what country they're in practically. And these people are trying to get them to vote. And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country. I did watch all of these pieces of video. I didn't detect the sarcasm lost by a whisker.

We didn't quite make it. And we should just point out here. I'm tired of the editorializing ABC. You and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them looked at it and said, they said we didn't have standing. That's the other thing. They said we didn't have standing a technicality. Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing? The president of the United States doesn't have standing. That's how we lost. If you look at the facts and I'd love to have you do a

special on it. I'll show you Georgia and I'll show you Wisconsin and I'll show you Pennsylvania and I'll show you. We have so many facts and statistics. But you know what? That doesn't matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now. That's old news. And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline and they have put it into decline. We have a nation that is dying, David. Mr. President, thank you. Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight. He said he didn't say that he lost by a whisker. So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself. But I do want to ask you about something

that's come up in the last couple of days. This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away. He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, he says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences. One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying,

we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us. We won't let him suppress the vote. Is that what you believe he's trying to do here? Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. So let's be clear about that. And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a president

of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election. And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president of the United States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders. Does she know who her boss is? And they say you're a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament or the ability to not be confused about fact.

That's deeply troubling, and the American people deserve better. And she knows how to see what confusion looks like in a president. Victor Orban, one of the most respected men, they call him a strong man. He's a tough person. Smart. Prime Minister of Hungary. They said, why is the whole world blowing up? Three years ago it wasn't.

Why is it blowing up? He said, because you need Trump back as president. They were afraid of him. China was afraid. And I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him. They were afraid of him. China was afraid, and I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him. China was afraid of him. North Korea was afraid of him. Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way.

He said Russia was afraid of him. I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline. The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that, but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany, the biggest pipeline in the world. He cares about the economy and the environment.

Viktor Orban said it. He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump. We had no problems when Trump was president, but when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy. He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office. And you know what?

I'll give you a little secret. He hates her. He hates her. He got 14 million votes. They threw them out. She got zero votes. And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed. And now she's running.

I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because I think we're going to do very well. We've got a lot more. Russia, Ukraine, Hamas, Israel. Vice President Harris in very well. We've got a lot more to do. Russia, Ukraine, Hamas, Israel, the problems in Haiti, the problems in Africa, all of it started after Trump left office.

You added, quote, it matters how. Saying international humanitarian law must be respected. Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians. You said that nine months ago. Now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead. Nearly 100 hostages remain. Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making.

President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate. How would you do it? Well, let's understand how we got here. On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization. My mom was a single terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis. Many of them young people who were simply attending a concert. Women were horribly raped. And so absolutely, I said then, I say now, Israel has a right to defend itself. We would. And how it does so matters because it is also true. Far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed. Children, mothers. What we know is that

this war must end. It must end immediately. And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out. And so we will continue to work around the clock on that. Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution. And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians. But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself,

in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel. But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve. Let us not forget.

President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza? If I were president, it would have never started. If I were president, Russia would have never,. If I were president, Russia would have never, ever. I know Putin very well. He would have never. There was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years. Have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you added up far worse than people understand what's going on over there.

But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden she hates Israel. She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers. She wanted to go to the sorority party. She hates Israel. If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now. And I've been pretty good at predictions and I hope I'm wrong about that one. She hates Israel. At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up. Arabs, Jewish people, Israel, Israel will be gone. It would have never happened. Iran was broke under Donald Trump. Now Iran has $300

billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had. Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different spheres of terror. And they are spheres of terror, horrible terror. They had no money. It was a big story and And, you know, you covered it very well. Actually, they had no money for terror. They were broke. Now they're a rich nation. And now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around and funding terror. Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen. Look at what's going on in the Middle East. This would have never happened. I will get that settled and fast and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended. If I'm president elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president. Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel. That's absolutely not

true. I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people. He knows that he's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy. It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself, it is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant. It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un. She's blatantly lying. And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear.

They can manipulate you with flattery and favors. And that is why so many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace. That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military. Vice President Harris, thank you. They're the ones, and she's the one that caused it, that's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country.

Their crime rates are way down. Putin endorsed her last week. Said, I hope she wins. And I think he meant it. Because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible. It wouldn't have happened with me. The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent. And they are. They're grossly incompetent. And I just ask one question. Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone pipeline and approve the

single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe, because they're weak and they're ineffective. And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money. Thank you. We have a lot of issues to get to. We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia. Back in a moment.

So first hour in and we're getting our first commercial break. Are you getting the signal to leave us? Yeah, I think it's about good time. But hey, thanks for having us. Thank you guys both for being here. This has been amazing. You guys have killed it. Thank you. So we're in the commercial break, which I imagine will probably only be

what, a couple minutes? Two minutes. Two minutes is probably the most I'll think. And then we do another 30 with most of it being final statements. Yeah, yeah. How much longer is it? It's supposed to be 90 minutes in total. So if we've gotten an hour in, you know, roughly when we get back, I'd say about 30 minutes left. It's hard to say

completely. I certainly think Kamala's done better than a lot of people thought she was going to do, but not that I think it's a tremendous performance. Donald Trump has gotten angry, and that's what I think she's trying to get him to do. I just think he turned around the 2020 election pretty well.

He's getting into it. It's a weak spot for him. Regular people are sitting there confused, and they're tuning out. They're saying, I don't know what this is or what he's talking about or why it matters. So when he flips and says, it's old news, we need to focus, sounds like someone gave him good advice, and he he remembered me jumped in but gentlemen would like to introduce yourself for the uh... commercial

okay i'm dan bishop north carolina uh... running for attorney general there instead of for re-election to congress but glad to be with you guys tonight turkish big deal it up great right up you like rain a freshman member from arizona right on the why did you choose to run for AG over re-election? This place is pretty frustrating. We don't do things here.

It's stagnant and neutralized, and AG spots have emerged over the last 20 years. One of the most consequential positions in American politics, and I'm ready to get in and make things happen. And how long have you been in Congress? Just five years. I was elected in a special election in 2019. So you're new to the game. Are you excited about possibly AG

and having that kind of impact on your state? Not that new to the game. I was a state legislator before that. Served in local government at one point. Haven't done politics all the time, but five years in Congress is a long time. Must feel like a lifetime. You could sit here. I mean, I could stay for another five the time, but five years in Congress is a long time. It must feel like a lifetime. I could stay for another five, ten, fifteen years, and most do.

But if you feel like you're called to be somewhere else. That's right. I think there's another opportunity. I'm going to leave it to great, tough warriors like Eli Crane. He is really fantastic. It was hard for me even to imagine, as he just said it, that he's a freshman. Because we were together in that Patriot 20 fight at the beginning of 2023 about what leadership was going to, who was going to be in leadership and what we were going to do to get there. And boy, that was a great time. And he's a courageous guy. What have you guys thought of the debate so far? I think it's been pretty awesome. I kind of came into this debate thinking that even if Trump

bombed, I think he was going to be okay. And the reason for that is because I don't think that he's up in the polls for the first time ever. And he's bringing so many new people into his camp because he's a great debater. I think that he's up and people want him back because they can see the difference in their lived experiences and he has a track record as a strong leader I mean he just does and so I think he's doing a great job I think he's been funny I think he's I actually like his demeanor as well you know I think he's the type of guy that you know if if you get under his skin you know he can get more

emotional but I think he's done a really good job not really focusing on her, but focusing on the commentators and just, you know, going through his answers. And the cool thing about Trump is we say in the military all the time, you get good at what you practice. He's been doing he's been doing debates, long form podcasts. He answers questions all the time, whereas her, on the other hand, they have to hide her in the basement because they're so afraid that if she opens her mouth, she's going to ruin this moderate problem-solver, false persona that the media is trying so hard to create right now. I think there's a lot of people that are mentioning Trump bringing up they're eating the dogs, they're eating the pets, and the media has repeatedly said this is fake

news. It's a slightly off-skew talking point. Most of the reports that are coming out are that they're capturing ducks and waterfowl from local parks. There is some reporting. I have seen many people claim that they've experienced this in and around the area and other areas as well. But no official reporting. It doesn't matter. They're making fun of Donald Trump, saying, Aha, he just said this lie. Haha, they're they're making fun of donald trump saying aha he just

said this lie haha they're gonna make fun of you do do these liberals that are hearing this they really believe that tomorrow the moderate voters who watch the debate are going to google search that story are going to look it up or seek out a fact check on this or are they going to go holy what and they're going to call their bunny but you hear this wow that's crazy and i I'll tell you what's going to happen, because it is detrimental to this country that this happens this way. Many of these people are going to be hanging out for a pizza and a beer with their buddies, and they're going to be like, you hear these people are eating dogs? That's crazy. And that's the extent of what they've heard.

I think Trump punches through with things like that, and then they turn out to be basically true. I mean, maybe the detail's off, but in essence, something's going on. It's very odd. So we are back here with the debate. It's been the position of the Biden administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, to defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's in America's best interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries. You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours. You said so just before the break tonight. How exactly would you do that? And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want Ukraine to win this war? I want the war to stop. I want to save lives

that are being uselessly, people being killed by the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look, we're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're in for 150 billion dollars less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore. So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people. But you take a look at what's happening.

We're in for $250 275 billion. There's just no one who can replicate this style. They're into 100 to 150. They should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I want to get the war settled. I know Zelensky very well, and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship, and they respect your president, okay? They respect me. They don't respect Biden. How would you respect him? Why? For what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call

in two years to Putin, hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't even try to get it. That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president. If I win when I'm president elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one.

I'll speak to the other. I'll get them together. That war would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left. I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be a good, strong point of negotiation. Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He had no idea how to stop it. And now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse and it could lead to World War Three. Don't kid yourself, David.

We're playing with World War Three and we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president? We don't even know if he's a president. And just to clarify, they threw him out of a campaign like a dog. We don't even know. Is he our president? But we have a president, Mr. President, that doesn't know he's alive. Your time is up. Just to clarify the question. Do you believe it's in the U.S. best interest for Ukraine to win this war? Yes or no? I think it's the U.S. best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. Negotiate a deal, because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed. I want to take this to Vice President Harris. I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment,

but also as commander-in-chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin, and would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden? Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me. I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up. And that's not who we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here. I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I met with President Zelensky. I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself.

Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania. And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent

and free country. If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now. And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO, and what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland. And why are you talking about 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania? Why did Putin not make any moves when Donald Trump was president?

For the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. She's getting riled up right now like a hair shake. Vice President Harris thank you we've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour. I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier and please I'll give you a minute here. Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow. Quiet, please. Much happier than he is right now. But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. I don't have to talk about that.

He's got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And eventually, maybe he'll use them, and maybe he hasn't been that threatening. But he does have that. Something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes to talk about it. But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three days later, he went in and he started the war. That's right. There you go.

Because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said the wrong things. That war should have never started. She was the emissary. They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin. And she did. And the war started three days later. And that's the kind of talent we have with her. She's worse than Biden, in my opinion. I think he's the worst president in the history of our country. She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country.

But let me tell you something. She is a horrible negotiator. They sent her in to negotiate. As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion. President Trump, thank you. You did bring up something. You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?

Can you clarify tonight? Yet again, I said at the beginning of this debate, you're going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow. And that is another one. When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times. So, yes. The reality is it has been about standing as America always should. As a leader upholding international rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength,

understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy. And that is very much what is at stake here. The president of the United States is commander in chief and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the for the benefit of personal flattery.

I don't know. We talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do want to talk about Afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of this debate. I want to move on to Afghanistan. Donald Trump said Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen. He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up. He said, I've never seen. He's the head of NATO. He said, I've never seen. For years, we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO.

I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before, if you don't pay, we're not going to protect you. Otherwise, we would have never gotten it. He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done. Thank you. I want to turn to Afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

I do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out? Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan. Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did. And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day. We were paying for that endless war. And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone, in any war zone around the world, the first time this century. But let's understand how we got to where we are. Donald Trump, when he was

president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine. He calls himself a dealmaker. Even his national security advisor said it was a weak, terrible deal. And here's how it went down. He bypassed the Afghan government.

He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists, released. And get this, no, get this. And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders. And this former president, as president, invited them to Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility

of the President of the United States to be Commander-in-Chief with a level of respect. And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban. Yeah, thank you. So if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers. And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.

That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time. But I got involved. And Abdul is the head of the Taliban. He is still the head of the Taliban. And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore. You do it anymore. You're going to have problems.

And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house? I said, you're going to have to figure that out, Abdul. For 18 months, we had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo. It was a very good agreement. The reason it was good, it was we were getting out. We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans

behind. We wouldn't have left. We wouldn't have left eighty five billion dollars worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind. And just to finish, she just blew it. The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this. And they didn't do it. They didn't do it. The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this. And they didn't do it. They didn't do it. The agreement was was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do. I want to move on. These people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.

President Trump, thank you. I feel like it wasn't like top five terrible moments in this country. Mr. President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black. I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight. Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent? I don't, and I don't care. I don't care what she is. I don't care.

You make a big deal out of something, I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants to be is okay with me. But those were your words, so I'm asking... I don't know, I don't know. I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out and I'll say that and then I read that she was black and that's okay either one was okay with me that's up to her that's up to her Vice President Harris your thoughts on this

I think it's I mean honestly I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people. You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us. And we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us and especially by race and let's remember that's what marxists do they divide donald trump started he was all the time do you remember biden's speech land he owned land he owned buildings he's not trying to divide he was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families. Let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full-page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent,

the Central Park Five, took out a full- page ad calling for their execution. This is the same individual who spread birth or lies about the first black president of the United States. And I think the American people want better than that. I do love how Trump is not acknowledging her all night. He has not looked at her fairly. He's barely looked at her face. He wants someone who understands his ideal and travel our country. I don't give an F.

We see in each other a friend. We see in each other a neighbor. We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other. Wow. time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people? Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division.

She really cares what race you are. That's the reality. Lindsey? President Trump, this is now your third time. What? This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying our country, and they come up with things like what she just said.

Going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park Five, they admitted, they said they pled guilty. And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they'd badly hurt a person, killed a person ultimately. And if they pled guilty, then they pled we're not guilty. But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago, because there's nothing now. I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again. It's going to be bigger, better and stronger. But they're destroying our economy. They have no idea what a good economy is. Their oil policies, every single policy. And remember this. She is Biden biden you know she's

trying to get away from biden i don't know the gentleman she says yeah she is biden the worst inflation we've ever had a horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad and she can't get away with that thank you your time is up I want to respond to that, though. I want to just respond briefly. Clearly, I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump. And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country. Well, one who believes in what is possible, one who brings a sense of optimism and be unburdened by what has been. About what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about our plans. We tried to get you to talk about it.

And let's compare the plans. to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work. I have a plan, $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development. I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream by offering help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers. That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name calling.

Let's turn the page and move forward. Vice President Harris, thank you. Let's turn to policy. Let's turn back to policy. President Trump, we have to move on. President Trump. Let's turn to policy, please. She has a plan to defund the police.

She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. President Trump, we do have to move on to other issues. She has a plan to not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else. Okay, thank you, Mr. President. That's what her plan is until just recently. I just need to respond. President Trump, President Trump. The former president has said something twice that I need to respond to.

I'm sorry, we're going to move on, Vice President Harris. President Trump, this is now your third time running for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better. Last month, you said, quote, we're working on it. So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan? And can you tell us what it is? Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was. It's not very good today. And what I said, that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it.

But remember this. I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it. They wouldn't vote for it. They were unanimous. They wouldn't vote to change it. If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came up, they wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice to make when I was president.

Do I save it and make it as good as it can be, never going to be great, or do I let it rot? And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away. I decided, and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people. I have a lot of good people in this that administration. We read about the bad ones.

We had some real bad ones, too. And so do they. They have really bad ones. The difference is they don't get rid of. But let me just explain. I had a choice to make. Do I save it and make it as good as it can be? Or do I let it rot?

And I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's still as it can be or do I let it rot and I saved it I did the right thing but it's still never going to be great and it's too expensive for people and what we will do is we're looking at different plans if we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it. But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run. So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan. I have concepts of a plan.

I'm not president right now. But if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future. Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president, private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I'll get to that, Lindsay. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand.

When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time when I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being, you don't like him, you said at the time because he got caught. He was an American hero. The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no, you don't. She has an F rating with the NRA. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies

to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of medicine at $35 a month.

But then she also says, I'm not Joe Biden. So have kept the cost of medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president, we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it. Vice President Harris, thank you. Fastest prologue in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that. I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of— She made a mistake. Number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years.

But it wasn't only him. It was all of the Democrats that kept it going. And you know what? We can do much better than Obamacare, much less money. But she won't improve private insurance for people, private medical insurance. That's another thing she doesn't want to do.

People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private. She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately. President Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change. President Trump, with regard to the environment, you say that we have

to have clean air and clean water. Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat. The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change? And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you. One minute for you each. Well, the former president has said that climate change is a hoax. And what we know is that it is very real. You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up.

You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually deal with this issue. The young people of America care deeply about this issue. And I am proud that as vice president over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president. We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening

up factories around the world. Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs. He lost manufacturing jobs. And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fain, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American made products, American automobiles. It includes growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump. Vice President Harris, thank you.

It didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month. It's going, they're all leaving. They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China. They're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people. What they have given to China is unbelievable, but we're not going to let that. We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker, whether it's in Detroit or South

Carolina or any other place. What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know, Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it between him and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine. They get all this money from all of these different countries. And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China? Why is he? Why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife? Why did he get, why did she pay him three and a half million dollars? This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country down the tubes.

President Trump, thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates. An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia. Oh boy. All right. The second commercial and then we're going to get those closing statements, but judging by the sentiment that I'm seeing on, on X, it seems like a lot of people believe Kamala Harris is doing better than they predicted. And I'm seeing a lot of sentiment from people saying it's three versus one. The moderators are coming after Trump. I think that's, I think that's a fair assessment. They're not fact-checking Kamala Harris when she lies. No, but they're fact-checking Trump. And we knew that this was going to happen. I want to bring up a tweet that Katie Pavlich put out. She said, the fact that there aren't

more questions about inflation is a reflection of how ABC News feels about the plight of Americans under the Biden-Harris administration. I think it's pretty telling. I think that's a very good point. And there haven't been a lot of questions towards Kamala based on this 40-year high inflation that we're seeing. She evades every question. So every point where they've asked her to account for something, she's avoided answering the question. And they never pursue that, never point that out. Occasionally, you could say trump uh does it on occasion as well but he he deals with the issue even if she just avoids and it was happening at least four or five times in the course of the debate i wonder why the moderators don't point that out

it is interesting i mean she wouldn't answer about uh the biden harris administration leaving the trump tariffs in place she's avoided a number of things. And I think part of it is, again, she does not want to be tied to Joe Biden. She just told us, I am not Joe Biden. And then minutes later said, well, we did this, meaning me and this guy named Joe who put me in the White House. She's in this bizarre position

where she's claiming to be a new generation while also trying to take accolades from an administration that she clearly has no respect for. Not that she should, but her name is on the bill. It's one of the ways in which she's evaded a question. They asked her about how she's changing substantially all of the positions she announced. They're radically different, and she has no answer.

Here's a great tweet from Sean McGuire. He says, ABC has let Harris get away with the Charlottesville hoax, bloodbath hoax, police officers dying on J6 hoax, bloodbath hoax, police officers dying on J6 hoax, but they fact-checked Trump on animals in Ohio when he was correct. Yeah, well said. I don't know that he's completely correct on the eating the dogs thing. I'll stress this.

We're getting a lot of anecdotal anecdotes from locals, but no official reporting, which is probably the problem when the media doesn't want to cover the story. But I'll stress, I think we have pretty much strong evidence of the migrants taking local migratory birds. Like geese. Why did it go with dogs? Like I said, geese is the big story.

Or cats. Or cats is the big story. That woman's American, that video of the woman with the cat. But if Trump said, these migrants are going to parks and hunting ducks in front of children, that's true. Yes. Well, here's an interesting point about that because I know some people don't like how Trump talks, but I actually think a lot of people gravitate towards him because I hear people say all the time, and Dan, you might hear this as well, why can't politicians just talk like regular people? Why do they have to talk in platitude? So when you look at some of the things that he said tonight, they were, in my opinion, hilarious, like run, spot, run,

gonna send her a MAGA hat, nobody attends your rallies anyway, people are eating dogs. I mean, people laugh, but they also find this guy relatable because he doesn't talk like a politician. And that's one of the things about Trump that makes people relate to him, even though you wouldn't think so because the guy's a billionaire from New York. Like, I live in what I represent one of the most rural districts in the country, out in Arizona's 2nd Congressional District. These folks are patriotic, they're hardworking, and you bring a billionaire down from New York and they love him

because they relate to him despite their differences. Well, and he only had to mention his upbringing once and walked away from it, right? How many times have we heard her mom and middle class? Like, whereas he just said, you know, I was given some money and I built an empire. I'm not going to go on and on about it. He knows that his success speaks for itself where she has to convince you that she is someone from humble origin who is really connected to you. It's a big contrast right on the stage. Tim, did you ever do any research on whether or not she actually worked at McDonald's? Well, I mean, I read a few news stories and they claim that she did not.

Okay. So she claims she did. And the reporting was that they reached out to the McDonald's Corporation, I guess issued a statement saying they had no record of her ever working there. She doesn't seem like the kind of person who does, unless you think she did. I don't know. Yeah, I'm just interested because when she talks about, you know, growing up in, you know, impoverished conditions, and then you see her house growing up, it's just like her whole persona,

this whole life they're trying to create is just a complete lie. Looks like we are coming back to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Here again, David Muir and Lindsay Davis. Welcome back tonight. The time has come for closing statements. And Vice President Harris, we begin with you. So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we're not going back.

And I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward. And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in

the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was the DA. I was an attorney general, a United States senator, and now vice president. I've only had one client, the people. And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness,

are you a Republican or a Democrat? The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay? And that's the kind of president we need right now. Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump?

So she just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's going to do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been there for three and a half years. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want

to do. But you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in. You believe in things like we're not going to frack. We're not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not. Germany tried that. And within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants. We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.

But I just ask one simple question. Why didn't she do it? We're a failing nation. We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're being laughed at all over the world. All over the world they laugh. I know the leaders very well. They're coming to see me.

They call me. We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand what happened to us as a nation. We're coming to see me. They call me. We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't have any idea what's going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.

She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country. President Trump, thank you. And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution. That was an absolutely brutal closing statement. I think Trump won the debate in the closing statement.

Why hasn't she done it? Absolutely. It's pretty damn good. I mean, she just offered platitudes, vision, and opportunity economy, and I'm going to work hard for this, that, and the other, but there's no significance. He can really nail the Biden administration on all of the specific failures and things that American people feel day to day, the economy, crime.

It's not a comparison between the two of them. They're completely different. It was exactly 40 years ago when Ronald Reagan, no, I guess it's 44, when he said the famous words, are you better off now than you were four years ago? Something that's rung through history. And I think Trump just did the same thing. Why haven't they done it?

There's no answer. There's no answer to that. And I think the American people know that Kamala Harris is voting for more of the same, and that is a huge factor in whether or not this election will turn out different. But with all that being said, we can sit here and we can clap and cheer for Trump, and we can laugh at him saying, you know, I'm talking now, or whatever that line was that was absolutely hilarious. And the question is, are the Republicans prepared to win on the procedural grounds, that is,

ballot harvesting and whatever it is the Democrat shadow campaign may be? Because we can sit here and we can make arguments all day and night, but if Republicans don't have mail-in voting and ballot harvesting down, the real issue for the election is, Democrats know this, they need more pieces of paper with names on them than the Republicans are going to get. And if the Republicans just keep thinking, I'm going to argue to the American people and then we'll win, then they'll lose. Do you want to introduce yourself? You joined us during closing statements. I'm Eric Burleson of the Congressman from Southwest Missouri. What's your take on the debate? Do you think that the voters are motivated to turn

out the way they need to? Sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied. No, I mean, you think that the voters are motivated to turn out the way the way they need they need the way they need to so i'm getting tongue-tied no i mean i think that we all i watch it and i and i think that trump won i i've i said many times over that i think that this debate we're probably going to be disappointed because it's going to be a debate like most of them where every side watch at each side watches it and says our side won and so i think that kamala's side is probably right now on msnbc they're saying that they that she slammed it they're popping champagne that's right yeah but i i think that fundamentally, this is a debate about the direction of the United States. And I think that the fact that what's not seen in this debate is more important. And that is that people are seeing folks like the Cheneys, the Uniparty, all side behind Kamala. And then you're seeing folks like Robert Kennedy Jr. and others,

and Musk side behind Trump. And I think that this is a very pivotal moment in American history where we have, I think, a refreshing moment in American history where we see finally some people that are willing to break from all the tyranny that is the military-industrial complex, you name it. And I think that that's the, I mean, sadly, I don't feel that that was expressed in the debate tonight. I think we should be fairly optimistic and hopeful.

I mean, the reality is everything you just said, some of the most optimistic stuff I've heard in a long time, despite the challenges we face, we face these challenges only because we have a real opportunity to do away with these really awful things that have existed in our past. Easy example is the military-industrial complex waning. It looks like this challenge is actually because we're winning. Yeah, and I think, honestly, Tim,

a lot of that is testament to shows like yourself. You know, back in the day, you could watch a couple different networks and they all kind of gaslit you in their own way and they all had corporate sponsors that kind of controlled to a certain degree the narrative they were allowed to put out. But now, as the media has expanded, and there's so many shows like Yourself,

War Room, and others, people are going elsewhere for their news, and I think it's been great. I think it's really opened things up, and I think it's brought together a lot of different coalitions and factions that often didn't play well together or unite who are tired of this system. They're tired of the federal government gaslighting them all the time, never doing anything for them. And it's creating this momentum in this new wave of people that just want to put our citizens

first. They're tired of the forever wars. They're tired of the wide open first. They're tired of the forever wars. They're tired of the wide open borders. They're tired of the inflation. They're tired of the censorship. And so it's, I think to Eric's point and your point, Tim, it's really cool to see this movement of, you know, people getting together right now.

Yeah, I think we'll just, you know, the debate being over, we'll wind down with some final thoughts. If you want to throw out your final thoughts on the matter. Yeah, I think you guys are both getting it so you eric and eli both said something and tim you did too i i think when you talk about the people who are uh interested in trump but who who is gathering around him it is the it that's the that's the change agency right he's the change agent he's the guy who's different he's unorthodox and when she talks about trying to lay out a

vision she can talk in lofty language but he asked the question that's devastating to that why haven't you done it they're doing the same old thing they are that orthodox corporate oriented aligned um never you know a little sort of just continual deterioration and descent of the country. And are people fed up enough with that to to make the change to to go back and get Trump to do what he began to do before the covid crisis hit? And I think it gives a great opportunity. I think that's what freedom is all about, the opportunity to choose between those two visions. He gives a choice. And and so I'm eager to see what people decide to do. I mean, I hope this debate is a wake up call for independent voters, because that's who a lot of this comes down to. I mean,

it's you know, they estimate basically five percent of the population who truly when they say, I don't know who I'm voting for, mean it, you know, we'll round up to 10, but another 5% kind of, no, they're just sort of playing coy, I would say. And so much of it does come down to this question of, are you happy right now? Is this the life you want to live? Is this through the direction you want the country to go? Is this what you want to give to your children and to your grandchildren? And I just think, you know, obviously I'm more conservative and I have more conservative values, but I just don't think that Kamala Harris was able to sell. I am a new fresh breath of air for the country and I will change the direction of this ship. I think people know Donald Trump is, you know, maybe not everyone's favorite personality, but he sets out to accomplish things and can point to an actual record. People want that. And it's just not something the Biden Harris campaign can deliver.

Well, I imagine that in the next few days, all of the pollsters will give Kamala Harris a bump. They're going to they're going to pull the select. They want to pull from this and say this is where she really shined. And it will be a justification for why they can claim she's doing better, whether she actually is or not. But I suppose we'll start to wind things down. So I want to thank all of you gentlemen for joining me,

as well as all the members of Congress who joined to hang out. Shout out to Raymond G. Stanley Jr., who was on for a brief moment. Hannah Clare, thanks for being here. And of course, the entire crew, Kellen Serge, Carter, everybody who helped with this together. Chuck, who's sitting back there. This has been a lot of fun. This has been a moment in history. And now we've got, what is it, 50, after today,

55 days? It's going to be 55 days until we see. It's a question not just about do the American people want to see a change from the current administration to Donald Trump, but also if the strategy, the lawfare, everything that's been in play up to this moment will be enough to either stop or support Donald Trump. So that being said, everybody, make sure you smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Become a member by going to TimCast.com. Click join us, we could use your support, and you'll get access to our Discord server where we will be back tomorrow with our members-only uncensored show at 10 p.m. You can watch the show, of course,

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