Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #1121 VP DEBATE LIVE: JD Vance Vs Tim Walz w/Mark Ivanyo & Ian Carroll

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Libby are joined by Mark Ivanyo & Ian Carroll to discuss Iran launching a massive ballistic missile attack against Israel, Tim Walz reportedly nervous ahead of his debate with JD Vance, the president of the longshoreman union telling America he will "cripple" the country, and the Timcast crew watching & analyzing the VP debate between JD Vance & Tim Walz. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere)  Hannah Claire @hannahclaireb (everywhere) Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) Guests: Mark Ivanyo @MarkIvanyo (X) Ian Carroll @CancelCloCo (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

for Democrats. I mean, you had the dock workers starting their strike in the early hours of the morning. We are looking at a potential crippling of imports across the East Coast. Prices are going to go up and people are going to feel it. So I'm seeing a lot of people say stock up now, get your gas now. This is big. But we also have Iran launching nearly 200 missiles at Israel and actually landing several of them. I don't believe anybody got hurt, but this is also massive. I'm seeing people on X saying, this is it, the breaking point. I am done.

Look, I know a lot of people online, they're always yelling about Israel, but Israel polls really well in the United States. And there are a lot of people that support Israel that have watched a missile strike. Not even about that. Even the anti-war libertarians are watching the escalation, the invasion of Lebanon and our Iranian missile strike on Israel. Fear of Israeli retaliation. War is getting out of hand and people are freaking out. And of all nights this night, when J.D. Vance will be debating Tim Waltz, Tim Waltz is going to be standing there as J.D. Vance says, you are running alongside the sitting VP and they have

presided over this disaster in the Middle East, the conflict, the unions on strike, the economic turmoil. That is who you are partnered with. It's going to be massive. So my friends, we're going to start with the news. Then around nine, when the debate starts, we will kick that debate on, provide our commentary and criticism and corrections. So you'll definitely want to hang out and it's going to be a lot of fun. Our new song is out coming home and we're hoping that you guys purchase the song on iTunes. 99 cents. This song is about our cities being left to decay and ruin and the brave men and women who have gone to serve this country coming back and finding out the people who are supposed to take care of it, drop the ball and left it in decay. So check out

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Thank you, Tim. Pleasure to be here. Who are you? What do you do? So I'm Mark Ivaño, Executive Director of Republicans for National Renewal. It's a political nonprofit organization dedicated to pushing the Republican Party away from the establishment, more towards the America First grassroots. And so you might be wondering, what does that mean? Well, it means taking the Republican Party from the grassroots level up, so the local, state, and federal level, so that when President Trump is back in office, he has that infrastructure within the party to

effectuate his agenda, as opposed to not only dealing with the radical left, which we expect, of course, we have the socialists, communists, etc. But what we saw President Trump during his first term deal with was people of his own party stabbing him in the back, even after giving very nice speeches saying, we love President Trump, we're going to support his agenda. And then when it comes time to voting, they vote against him. And so we want to change that. We want to make it so that there's representatives in office who support the agenda, can help them effectuate it and so that's that's our number one mission right on we also got ian carroll hanging out yo thanks for having me back on man absolutely who are you what

do you do i'm a i'm the tiktok researcher around here and i've been i'm particularly excited for this debate because i've been doing a lot of digging into the cia and the intelligence agency ties of that Kamala campaign. And obviously, Walls has a lot of weird dirt in his closet, too. CCP. Yeah. And J.D. Vance is a pretty sharp guy and a pretty sharp debater. And so I'm pretty excited to see how this might rewrite the debate narrative that we've had so far in this campaign.

We'll see what comes. Right on. Should be fun. Libby's hanging out. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events. Glad to be hanging out with you guys. I'm glad you're all here. It's a full room tonight. We don't always have this many people. So it's great. Great that we're here to watch the debate together. I'm Hannah Claire

Brimlow. You guys know me. I'm on the show pretty regularly at this point. Let's get started. This is the big news. We've got the Washington Post. Iran launched nearly 200 missiles at Israel, U.S. says. And we've got video of this. Let me see if this is the right one. No, that's more fun political stuff. This is much more serious stuff. We're going to play this video for you guys now.

For those that are just listening, you can see a massive missile barrage. And it is, they're making contact. It looks like many of the missiles that were fired, at least in this video, were intercepted by Israel's defense system. We've got this video from the Washington Post. I'll try and turn down the ambient noise so we can, I'll describe it for you guys. But a lot of these missiles actually landed, striking Israel.

So this is very serious. It looks like they've actually made contact with more missiles than the last strike. But we are literally watching now, as of today, the second massive launch from Iran into Israel, Israel's invasion of Lebanon. This dramatic escalation is absolutely insane. Man, look at—wow. Is there a way to make this bigger? You know, this is wild. You know, for those that are just listening and not watching the video, it is, it's hard to describe. It's crazy. These missiles are colliding in air. Some of them are making their way through. I got to tell you right now, this is apocalyptic for the Democratic Party. Harris and Biden are the current administration and the Middle East is falling into abject chaos.

Ukraine invading Russia. This is the closest we've been to World War Three probably ever. I mean, maybe you can say Cuban Missile Crisis or something like this, but now we get the threat of China and Taiwan. And of all nights for this to be going down, you got the dock workers that announced their strike today and they're going to be debating J.D. Vance and Tim Walz later on. I don't know how the how Kamala answers for this. I mean, this is an apocalypse for them. We've also got a gigantic failure of a hurricane response on. Oh, man, that Trump is absolutely nailing. Like Trump is blowing them out of the proverbial water on that hurricane response. And Harris responds to nothing, right?

She's never going to answer for any of this because she won't do any direct interviews. She won't answer any direct questions. She'll tell you she's from the middle class, but that's about it. Yeah, but look, if you're China or Russia or any of our alleged enemies, this is your time to attack. I mean, the election is coming up. President Trump's not in office yet. Why not attack now? This is your chance. And to go after Trump, too. It was shocking to see Kamala Harris yesterday. She was sitting in a briefing room.

Was it yesterday? Was it today? She was sitting in, I think it was yesterday. She was sitting in a briefing room talking about the hurricane and stuff. And she just looked so confused and lost. And when reporters tried to ask questions, they just pushed the reporters out of the room. They wouldn't let them get in there and say anything. And she just looked so confused. And it was a little bit terrifying to think that that's who could be heading the country. If Tim Walz pulls out a good answer pertaining to this crisis, this debate, I will be surprised. If he pulls out a good answer pertaining to just about anything, I would be surprised. I wouldn't underestimate him. Yeah, that was a mistake

that was made in the last debate. Kamala got under Trump's skin. Yep. And she's still lost. I'm sorry. Look, I know people are going to be like, how could you say that? Everyone agrees Kamala won. No, she never articulated a position. So the voters were like, we get it. Trump's a hothead. But what are you going to do for us? And then Trump didn't articulate a position either, but he's still a billionaire businessman that people think is going to be better for the economy. Kamala needed that opportunity to go after Trump and say, here's why my economic plan is better. And all she did was insult Trump. Well, liberals heard it as confirmation bias. Like I live around a lot of liberals and they

all were like, oh my God, she annihilated him. Sure. They're like, yeah, okay, okay, okay. Hold on, when you watch interviews with Biden or Kamala, it's a disaster, right? No one wants painful to watch, but they go on to the debate stage, and somehow they perform, so.

Well, they perform when they're allowed to lie with no fact-checking, and then their fact-checkers are helping play cover. But listen, I understand that liberals are going to say, of course Kamala won, right? Because they always will. But when you look at the poll of moderates and independents, even CNN, they did a flash poll and found that there was a massive shift, double-digit shift towards Trump in terms of the economy and immigration.

And those are the two biggest issues right now in this election. So Kamala Harris, they can trust her. She can look nice. I tell you this, people vote with their wallets. Yep. Yeah, she got absolutely no post-debate bounce for all of the winning that she supposedly did. And while it looked like a win that night, you know, she did look better. She did perform pretty well. She was calm and cool where Trump got a little pissed off, you could say. By the next morning, everyone was like, wait a minute, she didn't win that debate. Well, everyone knows that she's a fairly smooth talking politician, even if she

says just gibberish, right? She wears her suit. I don't think she is, though, in most interviews. She wears her suit. She wears her earrings. She stands for the photos. Like she can do that. We all know that. But her objective during that debate should have been to deliver specific information about her policies, because that's what voters kept saying over and over again in polls. The reason we are not sure if we're going to vote for her is because we don't know what her values are we don't know what she's offering us and so yes maybe she got a full a couple good moments where she riled trump up if that's the win then sure she won but she missed the opportunity that her campaign actually needed and what i find fascinating about this debate is whereas the last

one sort of for a lot of people felt like it was three on one, it was the moderators and Kamala versus Trump. Apparently, the moderators are not going to fact check this time. It's up to Vance and Walsh to fact check each other, which really becomes sort of this dominance race. I mean, who can keep each other on message and hold their feet to the fire when it comes to certain questions that, you know, I think they'll avoid. Also, who knows the most stuff? I think the reason for that is because actually a lot of the bad press that Kamala got was probably because so many people noticed that three-on-one. I think people are far more likely to change

their opinion based upon the corruption they're seeing than based upon the actual words that were exchanged in a kind of nothing debate. That was a big deal. There were a lot of headlines. I think that's why this debate is different now. It's because they realized how bad of a move that was. What if the October surprise is full-scale escalation

to the Middle East? I mean, we're deploying troops now. We deployed more troops. More troops are being deployed, right? So they sent a small contingent to evacuate U.S. citizens. Now you have the Tennessee National Guard. They sent 700 National Guard out of 10,000. So October surprise is here. I don't know

how, like, this is not going to benefit the Democrats in any kind of good way. This October surprise is here. I don't know how, like, this is not going to benefit the Democrats in any kind of good way. This is disastrous for them. The war escalation that we're seeing, I mean, look, Israel invading Lebanon was bad. And we just sent another $8 billion to Ukraine the other day. You know what I love? Someone made a

meme that's really funny, and I saw liberals posting this too, so you know it's good. And it was North Carolina, but it says Ukraine on it. and it was like then you would fund us it's right it's like you always see these memes where it's like we figured out a way to get the aid yeah it says ukraine on north carolina change their their state flag to the ukraine let's just have the same colors that'd be good yeah wouldn't that be funny if the tar heels are suddenly just totally thrown off i think one of the interesting issues is that people say wartime presidents tend to keep their office. Obviously, Biden's not going to keep his office, even if he sends his spirit animal Kamala Harris to the White House. But I

don't think escalation in the Middle East is good for Kamala Harris because she doesn't even look like she can handle an interview. And remember when she brought her best friend Tim Walz with her, she needed extra help from the moderators during a debate. No one wants to send her into a negotiating room amid, you know, potential nuclear war. Yeah, I don't think anybody would want that. But apparently she's been in there the whole time. You had Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House today saying that Kamala Harris had been in the Situation Room or on a call to the Situation Room for every key foreign policy decision that the administration has made, which means a couple of things. One, she's done a bad job this whole time,

so why should we elect her again? Two, her efforts to distance herself from the administration in which she serves are completely fake, just like the rest of her campaign. Yeah, to the Israel point, too, it's worth noting that people that are pro-Israel, this is a bad look for the Democrats. And for the people that are anti-Israel, it's still a bad look for Democrats because everyone on every side knows that Trump would handle this better regardless of your stance on it. Yeah, everyone hates this. There are a lot of people who hate Israel. And it's crazy to me when I have these conversations. I was talking to a guy the other day and he said, APAC is very powerful and they have a lot of influence. And I'm like,

yes, but the only reason they do is because people in America tend to support Israel. If you look at polls, people overwhelmingly say they support Israel. Maybe they're not aware of the foreign policy implications or what that means, but they do. And I'll give you an example. There are a lot of PACs that spend a lot of money and have no influence exerted. AIPAC certainly has, you can criticize it, but people in this country support Israel. And by all means, you're allowed to criticize Israel. By all means, you don't have to support them.

I'm saying that, I'm just saying the polls show this. So when bombs are landing in Israel and striking Tel Aviv, you're going to start seeing moderates be like, Kamala Harris has no strength to defend our allies. Donald Trump has to get in and shut this down. Can I clarify what you mean? I think what you're saying there is that Israel's spending, or AIPAC rather, is spending money to elect these candidates, but they wouldn't get elected if people weren't voting for them. And so it's like, yeah, they're spending money, but a lot of AIPACs spend money and their success rate

is not necessarily, am I representing what you're saying there correctly? For the most part, what I mean is they, like, you know, what was it, Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman, they were ousted. And AIPAC spent tons of money to get them ousted. But these commercials are only effective if people are going to be supporting those ideas in the first place. Basically, I mean, like...

That's true. I think to an extent. I mean, if you're spending $60 million to $7 million, maybe you have a huge advantage. I don't see the Communist Party PAC succeeding in their massive ad spends or the Nazi Party. Do they really

spend anywhere near as much as AIPAC? I actually don't know. The point I'm making is we know of the PACs that succeed. We don't know of the ones that don't. And there are a lot of PACs you've never heard of that have spent a ridiculous amount of money. You take a, I mean, come on, you know, certainly AIPAC is

an exorbitant spender and influencer. I get all that. My point is, look, criticize Israel, then look at the polls of what Americans think. It is true. Americans tend to support Israel. And I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that's what American people. I mean, I would argue that that has a lot to do with the propaganda in America, just

in terms of how we're, we are educated about the conflict. But I don't think it really matters whether you support Israel or not in terms of what's happening right now. I think that everyone agrees. I think the people that are in favor of a Palestinian state and hate Israel, a lot of my ex-followers are like that, and I think they all agree, too, that they would rather see Trump dealing with this problem than Kamala. Well, yeah, and even if you support Israel, it doesn't mean you want Israel to go to war

with Lebanon or Iran. Yeah, exactly. You might say we want peace, but we still support israel right my point is when the anti-israel protests kicked up you started seeing a bunch of liberal billionaires not a bunch of but a couple of them as well as news personalities be like that's it i'm voting for trump like bill ackman yeah it was a great example but i just saw a post on on x today from some personality who said, that's it, that this is the final straw. It's got to be Trump. And the sentiment is basically like, we do not believe that that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or a Kamala Harris administration is going to stop the conflict. I mean, even, you know, Clint

Russell made a post where he said if J.D. Vance could he said he could lose this to lose the election for Trump tonight if he does not handle this well. My attitude is he needs to blame, he needs to shift the blame to the Biden-Harris administration for their failed leadership in this region, in Europe, in Southeast Asia. If he comes out on stage and says, it's your fault. Well, that's not too hard to do because it is primarily their fault. That's what I'm saying. Send it home. Yeah.

And I think that that's I think that's pretty clear to the American people, too. It's pretty obvious. You know, like when Trump was in office, we had four years of peace. There were little things here and there. But now we've got serious problems and serious threats to our own sovereignty in terms of domestic policy and threats to our sovereignty from foreign policy. That's a disaster. We got we got this story from Post Millennial. Trump slams Biden and Kamala says, quote, We have no leadership as Iran attacks Israel.

Trump issued a statement saying the world is on fire and spiraling out of control. We have no leadership, no one running the country. We have a nonexistent president in Joe Biden and a completely absent vice president, Kamala Harris, who is too busy fundraising in San Francisco, a city which she and Gavin Newsom totally destroyed. He says Newsom. He spelled it out. Staging fake photo ops. No one is in charge. And it's not even clear who is more confused, Biden or Kamala. Neither has any idea what is even going on.

When I was president, Iran was in total check. They were starved for cash, fully contained and desperate to make a deal. Kamala flooded them with American cash. And ever since they've been exporting terror all over and unraveling the Middle East. Under President Trump, we had no war in the Middle East, no war in Europe, harmony in Asia, no inflation, no Afghanistan catastrophe. Instead, we had peace. Now war or the threat of war is raging everywhere. And the two incompetents running the country are leading us to the brink of World War Three. You wouldn't trust Joe or Kamala to run a lemonade stand, let alone the free world.

He goes on to say, let me pull it up so I can get to the bottom, actually. It's no surprise that Iran desperately wants Kamala Harris to be president because they know as long as she is in power, they can take advantage of America. That is why they have tried to target me. If I was in charge, October 7th never happens. Russia, Ukraine never happens. Afghanistan botched withdrawal never happens. And inflation never happens. If I win, we will have peace in the world again. If Kamala gets four more years, the world goes up in smoke. I genuinely believe that if Trump was president right now, these conflicts would not be happening. Yeah, I think that's true. We had the Abraham Accords, which prevented a lot of conflicts

from happening in the Middle East. That was a huge deal. We had basically a detente between Ukraine and Russia. That was a big deal. Nothing crazy was happening in China. When you have Trump, and I know that I've said this before, but like Trump is that crazy man on the corner with a knife. You just want to cross the street and not make eye contact. Like he's, you know, you're going to stay away from that guy. And I love that about Trump. I love how unpredictable he is in terms of like he might nuke you. There's no reason to think that he's ever bluffing when he says that stuff.

I mean, Obama was so like, you'd never believe Obama would do anything, you know, publicly anyway, anything bad to anyone for any reason. Like he would tell you straight out he would go into negotiations having already capitulated half the deal. And then he has to give up more. And Trump is like, no, no, no. You're going to wait in Mexico. You're going to pay for the wall, like the whole thing. And then the media is like, he's making all these crazy things and he's so egomaniac or whatever else. But he was the most productive. I mean, I think there is a reason people know he is a better negotiator on the world stage than Biden or Obama or potentially Kamala Harris. And well, she's terrible. I mean, she's had three and a half years.

She's made a whole mess with Obama. Let's say here's the red line and there'll be cross. Here's the new red line. You can't cross this one. It'll it'll be across they say here's the new red let's keep doing that how many do you get yeah Biden and Kamala it's more like uh hey don't do that you shouldn't do that don't do that and then they would overreact and lead us into world war three which is the big threat and that's what we're concerned about well and you have the thing too at the RNC where Kellyanne Conway came out and said you know a lot of people don't like Trump's personality, but you're not going to get those policies without that personality. And I think that's 100 percent right.

You know, I think Trump is the first president we've had that has not been controlled by like all the. That's why it's always been a uniparty where both sides have been paid by all the donor class. And it's not actually like, for example, Trump was running against against jeb bush the republican party didn't want trump to win he took over their party and he's the first one that i've ever seen in my lifetime that was not already towing the party line that was designed by the donor class and all the billionaires he called he said to jeb bush your brother lied to us yeah i mean that was straight up and that was the truth yeah he ate them to pieces that whole yellow cake thing was such a... He understands it. Nikki Haley was so close.

Nikki Haley is the uniparty choice. And the uniparty is also backing Kamala Harris. Every time she says that Republicans are backing her, it's uniparty Republicans, you know, who make you think of that old Simpsons thing. What is it like? Twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom. Kang and Kang.

That uniparty is the war machine. It is the CIA. It's never a republican that republicans who are at all affiliated with trump or america first movement are like oh man he endorsed kamala harris i'm really rethinking my positions in life it's always someone from like the very deep establishment this really old guard that i think a lot of younger voters want to see gone, like younger conservatives in America. Grassroots in general. Right, are aware of this division in the party and they know who they want, even if Trump only serves, because he can only serve four more years, they will continue with this direction of the

party. There's no turning it back to the way it was if you're actually honoring what the populist movement wants. Indeed. I think that's it. So we're all strong Kamala supporters. We think she's going to do great. Yeah, Kamala 2024, Kamala 2028. I love her policies, whatever they are. I hope one day she tells us. Does she have them on her website yet?

I don't know what they are, but they do. Yeah, they finally got them. They're copied from the Biden administration. She copies Trump a lot too. And some are copied from Trump. Yeah, exactly. Some are Trump policies. Some are Trump's greatest hits. She's a great chameleon. Well, you take a look at what's going on with Trump's statement, basically saying, with the Iran tax in Israel,

but what are we looking at? We're looking at, as you mentioned, the hurricane. We're looking at the dock strikes. We're looking at the cost of food going way up. And they just keep lying to us about everything. What was it? The National Crime Victimization survey came out and said that crime is way up way way way up yeah i mean a lot of the fbi numbers are based on self-reporting and and the and police agencies aren't reporting anymore so then what happens is democrats come out and they're like crimes down and then we're like okay let's ask people and they're like oh

i've been victimized like crazy and you're like okay crime's up no it's not or just walk into a store and look at the lotion locked up like right that Right? That's like what they're doing with the economy, right? They're like, actually, the economy is great, and people just think it's bad. So what does that mean? That was like Don Lemon down in Atlantic City, right? And people were like, and he was like, you just think it's bad, but it's not. Yeah, like you said. And then you had Byron Donalds today on Charlamagne the God, that show.

And there was this great clip that was going around that Byron Donalds was talking about how Kamala Harris is responsible for the inflation. And someone was like, no, she isn't. And he's like, yeah, she signed this act. I said in committee that this act would jack up inflation. And now it has. How can you tell me she's not responsible for that? She did both tie-breaking votes on the,

what was it, the American Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was a blatant lie. I got it pulled up American Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was a blatant lie. I got to pull it up. Let's play the clip. Oh, it's a great clip. You're not really thriving right now. This inflation, which, by the way, was brought to us by Kamala Harris, has really slowed

down people from being able to excel. By Kamala? Yes. The vice president. Oh, oh, Charlemagne. It's still the president. Charlemagne, listen, man. When Joe Biden wanted to do his American Rescue Plan,

Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote in the United States Senate. She broke the tie that started this inflation that has hurt so many people in our country. Everybody listening to your show. It's not true? First of all, it's true that it's a tie-breaking vote. You sure you want to go there? When you go outside, Congressman, you go outside in your district. You sure you want to go there?

Okay, let's go there. You got notes. Show the votes. That's fine. I have notes. The biggest note I have today is that on every question I've asked, for every infrastructure project

in your community, you should go out and thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for the American Rescue Plan. That's the highlight of Porsche. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for the American Rescue Plan. That's what should be happening. Larry Summers wrote an op-ed back in 2021. Larry Summers was the Treasury Secretary for Bill Clinton. He was an economic advisor to Barack Obama.

He said that the American Rescue Plan that Joe Biden wanted, that Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote in the United States Senate, would create a massive inflation that we have not seen in a generation. Well, guess what? Larry Summers was correct. You know who also was correct, Angela? I was, because I was in the Budget Committee when they brought the bill. And I said in that committee, it's going to cause massive inflation.

That's what happened. So the problem we have in our economy today is that prices have gone up massively. Wages adjusted for inflation is down. People's pocketbooks are hurting. Yo, Byron Donalds is based. You know his staffers were like, yes. Love Byron Donalds. He's got the paper.

He pulls it out of his jacket and he's like, here we go. Here, I'm going to give it to Charlamagne. I don't even want to hold it. Endorsed by Republicans for national renewal, by the way. Do you remember when Trump did that during the town hall? She kept interrupting him. She's like, OK, I'll bring up my notes for the tweets that got removed by Twitter. It's so funny. But I mean, it is interesting because this person is saying like, well, because any infrastructure project, you have to think this thing, which is a Democrat talking point. But he is actually going

back and saying, here is a Democrat who advised other Democrats who said this was a bad idea. And what is the response to that? You know, let me just say when I see this, there's a comment right here. It says the entire comment section on the episode is filled with black people calling out the host dishonesty and supporting Donald's. Guys like Byron are breaking the chokehold Democrats have had on black media. Credit to Leonard McKelvey, Jess Moore and Rashawn Casey for inviting different money thinkers to their show.

I respect that too tremendously for bringing on Byron. But you know what I see when I see this with Byron, he's a Republican. Just this past weekend, we were at the Rescue the Republic event. I'm standing in the tent and I see some liberals come in. I see some conservatives come in. Brandon Strzok is there. And I'm like, you got liberals in here with conservatives and they're all laughing together and shaking hands. I'm like, there's a large portion of this country that is totally just brainwashed. But I think with RFK Jr., with Tulsi Gabbard, with many of these moderates talking to these Democrats, there is a unity party forming.

And man, I just got to say, we went to that event where we had Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and Russell Brand. And I'm just in there thinking, Donald Trump's administration surrounded by these people, that's going to be one heck of an administration. So I feel good, man. Absolutely. Well, and it's people who are coming together based on shared values, not based on shared party and political affiliation. So all of those people,

what they're beholden to, what Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. and Trump, what they're beholden to are the American people who value their rights above everything Jr. and Trump, what they're beholden to are the American people who value their rights above everything else. And that's what they're going to bring to the White House. And that's, that's, I think, why people would vote for them. You know, it's worth mentioning, too, that when you have all those different people in those rooms, what I noticed, first and foremost, was that people didn't agree on everything at all. But it was fun to be around. Because suddenly, we got back to that America where people are having conversations about what they think. And it's not about I hate you or it's emotional and it's like vitriolic.

It was like spirited and fun and respectful. And like people got over this like divisiveness that is in the media today. Just some of it might be that there is a shared vision for the United States. Look at this photo. Yeah. Hope. Yeah, that's right. I remember when it was such a great vision for the United States. Look at this photo. Yeah. Hope. Yeah, that's right. I remember when it was such a great moment.

And but look at this. Trump is reaching out to RFK Jr. Yeah. Very well. That's different. You can see that RFK Jr. is standing there. He's standing in front of him and Trump is smiling and reaching out to him. And I remember when I saw this, it's like the withered husk of, you know know lost hope in my chest started to pulse back into

existence like it had been nurtured a little bit yo and and with tulsi gabbard and rfk jr standing with trump trump brings them in my entire life i have this has always been like it's not possible this could never happen and now it's staring us in the face i'm feeling like trump's gonna win and when you look at kamala going down to the border the panic when you look at the catastrophes we're dealing with now and the sentiment people have over the war the conflict the economy byron donald's going on on breakfast club yeah now i am concerned about shadow campaigns that's what they call it but i believe on the merits this unity party is winning we just have to make sure that procedurally we carry the weight as well so they don't play any funny games.

Yeah, I think if it's a fair and free election, then of course they're going to win. Absolutely. But the sentiment of the people uniting, they have their differences, they work together, and they kind of agree on a lot of the base issues is not just a western thing an american thing i've been uh across in europe across the pond in europe and you have sweden swedes being told that the swedish have no culture which is insane for us to think of but they're being told the similar things that we're being told americans have no culture just give it up uh you know except mass migration and so it's kind of this whole battle of the people versus the establishment all across the world. And people have told me in Europe, members of the European Parliament or members of Parliament in their respective countries, saying we need Trump to win.

If he doesn't win, then we're screwed because the establishment is going to take over here. It's the same story. It's the same story. You see Zelensky's face when he was standing with Trump? His face was stone. He looked like he's thinking, like, I am so screwed. It's so different, though, when he stands, like, to Biden and looks like the Cheshire Cat, right? He's like, I own this man.

And then he's next to Trump like, oh, no. Because you don't have anything on Trump. Like, Trump doesn't care what you have on him. He'll be like, what? Yeah. You want to get in line and sue me like the federal government? Like, by all means means have fun with yourself speaking of people versus establishment though before we move off of this photo it's important to point out that the fact that uh tulsi and rfk are currently already selecting people for the trump cabinet and the all the

different parts of that administration they're not they can't really talk about it too much and we don't have like any certain confirmation but i was specifically mingling within his campaign at that event and trying to ask and ask and ask about that because like you know politically they can't quite come out and i was like you should come out and tell us all about it because most people that are intelligent and want to support trump look at his last presidency and say yeah but you kind of got handled, bro. And that's one of the biggest concerns about him. And he's actively doing something

really meaningful about it. This is what I was saying to Ian when he was here. And he was like, after the first debate with, after the debate with Trump and Kamala, he's like, all Trump did was yell and complain and defend himself and his ego. And all Kamala did was insult him. These people are terrible.

And I just said, would you support RFK Jr.? Ian says yes. And I said, RFK Jr. says if Trump wins, he wins. And Ian was like, I know. And then I told him, and I say this to all of you guys and everybody else, tell your friends and family, look, maybe you don't like Trump. I respect it. You don't got to like the guy.

But you can get Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. in there too. And so maybe Trump's not your person, but he's got good people by him right now. We couldn't ask for more. The only thing I could ask for is if Ron and Rand Paul joined his administration. I don't know. I think he has Elon Musk. Maybe Bobby will appoint them. Oh yeah, Elon Musk too.

Elon Musk is coming on, but Rand Paul still hasn't endorsed. I was talking to the Libertarian Party members when we were at their convention. And I said, what would it take for you guys to say you're voting for Trump? And they were like, if Trump makes Rand Paul his VP pick, every Libertarian votes for him. Just the whole Libertarian Party just votes for Trump at that point. Well, that would be the highest office attained by a Libertarian, right?

For sure. I mean, he's a Republican, but he's a Libertarian. A lot of Trump supporters like Rand Paul. I know. Yeah. I mean, we love a Republican, but he's a libertarian. A lot of Trump supporters like Rand Paul. I know. I mean, we love Rand Paul. So I think he's definitely—you could make this better, bring Rand Paul in. Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul, Elon Musk, RFK Jr. Man, talk about the avengers of politics.

That's an administration. It really does feel that way. Do you think Elon Musk will actually be in the administration, though, or is he going to be like an advisor? He's going to be Doge. Yeah, some sort of advisor. I swear that Trump had said in an interview, like, Elon Musk has a lot going on. It's hard for me to think of Elon Musk being in the administration, also running SpaceX, also like Tesla and X and all this stuff. And also producing like four kids a year.

Yeah, I mean, on average, if not more. As an advisor, I mean, he's one of the biggest companies in the world. He's involved in energy. So I'm sure Trump would want his opinion when it comes to energy production. That's why it's hard for me

seeing him, like, it's not like I really don't think he would be a cabinet member, but I think he and Trump obviously have a strong relationship and he will probably be involved or influential in some capacity. Because you're involved

with the grassroots movement, I want to ask how you felt debates like this impact down-ticket conversations as we get closer to the election. I mean, I think I've talked to a lot of the local party folks. They're not very excited for this debate. I mean, I think it's kind of a waste of time in a sense in that it's really about Trump and Kamala, of course. But obviously, after hearing the recent news with Walls having panic attacks and being nervous about this, that's kind of a red pill, I think, or a white pill. I think that actually does excite people and we want to see what happens with it. I think if Walls really bombs this debate, maybe that could actually give a good boost

to the America First folks. So in that sense, I think they're excited're excited but otherwise it wasn't really that exciting of an event people were saying i don't know if i even want to watch it well let's pull up this story that's from the new york post i don't know how much this news will matter after we actually watch the debate but it's going to be fun before the debate nervous waltz vance prep for vp debate as both camps pray for one thing don't screw screw it up. But as you were just pointing out, Tim Walz is reportedly nervous. Democrats are getting nervous and they're trying to lower expectations as much as they can because this is going to be bad for Tim Walz. He was just so,

you know, he lied about his rank. Big time. Yeah, big time. Over and over and over again. When he said he carried a weapon of war in war, he goes, sometimes my grammar isn't so good. No, that's not a grammar thing. But now we're finding out

from a report from the Free Beacon, we got this one. Tim Waltz said he was in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square Massacre. He was at home in Nebraska. He even lied about this.

Here's a photo from the newspaper from May. Look at this. They said he claimed he was in Hong Kong and they were trying to figure out where they were going to go when Tiananmen Square was going down he wasn't even there

yeah the report said that he didn't leave until August but he made sure to get married we all read the same report this report was fascinating to me this morning one of the other reporters grabbed it but they all CNN acknowledged this report I mean no one is really talking about it.

But this is another time that they're going to say, oh, well, he sort of misspoke. He misrepresented. No, he is lying. He is flat out lying. And again, going back to this fact checking moment or rule this tonight, you know, J.D. Vance has been the attack dog here with the stolen valor stuff. I mean, J.D. Vance led that charge with a lot of

this stuff. It's J.D. Vance who is like, you must answer for the things that you have said. And I think Americans like that. It's I don't know how much of the debate needs to be spent on Tim Walz is a liar and we can prove it consistently. But it does seem like there is a reason for Walz to be nervous that J.D. Vance does not have. I mean, a fair bit of it might be spent on asking Tim Walz about his 30 trips to china and about the incoming reports on that it's not 30 he lied about that too interesting it wasn't even 30 they're saying they're saying now it was 15 hold on i think they're lying about it being 15 i have no idea well so all of his lies are aligned to benefit himself in his campaign and the scrutiny now over over his connections to the Chinese Communist Party, 30 trips is suspicious.

So they're going, actually, it wasn't even 30. It was actually more like 15. And it's like, was it really? Or are you guys panicking? Because we just had who Comer came out this report saying they found internal documents that have communications about his connection. So the DHS has have been communicating about his links to the CCP and they've subpoenaed that they want those answers. Look, this guy's praised China over and over and over again. Flew there, brought students there. He got married or whatever. He got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square.

Which is just weird. And he pointed that out himself. To do that on purpose is weird. And he honeymooned in China afterwards. Well, 15 or 30 times. And what's the real difference? And that was while he was in public office public, like in public office on a salary of like his office at the time. It's not like he's super wealthy theoretically.

And like where's that money coming from? Like who goes on vacation to China 15 times for personal reasons? Right, but if you take money from the Turkish government, then you're prosecuted as the New York mayor was. But if you go to China 15 or 30 times, then it's all good. You just appreciate the culture. It's just vacation. Even if you're to china 15 or 30 times then it's all just appreciate the cares you just yeah it's just vacation yeah that's if you're in power it is wild so this guy's nervous and i'll tell you why because these stories have come out and all jd vance has to do is go where were you in may 1989 uh governor yeah and he's gonna be like well you know i don't know why the question

matters like tell us where you were because i got the newspapers over here we can i can point it out which one because new york times says you were in hong kong but uh you know, I don't know why the question matters. Like, tell us where you were. Cause I got the newspapers over here. We can, I can point it out. Which one? Cause New York times says you were in Hong Kong, but you know, that's a local Minnesota paper. It's a, what is it? Minnesota public radio says that you were at home. You were actually in Nebraska. So which one's true?

Cause we're trying to figure it out. And Vance is super sharp when he was picked. I was not stoked, honestly. Like I didn't, I didn't, I was not very familiar with him at all. When he was picked. No one was. Yeah. No one was stoked.

I totally disagree. Okay, some people were stoked. But he has shown up and he has thrown down. Even as an example, the way he talked about stolen valor, it's not like he's saying anything super revolutionary, but he's just the perfect guy to talk about it because he went and he served. And when he talks about it, it's so articulate and so to the point.

And I think that having seen Trump and Biden sort of like go at each other for the last like three years or whatever until Kamala took over, people are ready for like a younger guy that's really coherent, that's really sharp and quick. Because Trump is just a different type of rhetoric. And Vance brings this like very refreshing version of that Republican Party. Well, Vance also, he's not just like some elitist, grew up in his mouth. He came up from the bottom. Yeah, he's two years ago at thisitist, screw up, spoon in his mouth. He came up from the bottom. Yeah, he's two years ago at this point, right? Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing that most Americans are familiar with.

I mean, Hillbilly Elegy was not only bestselling, but then it became a movie. I mean, people know his story. Even if not every political journalist followed his career that intensely, the likelihood that average Americans are aware of him in that capacity is higher than, you know, any other politician in America who doesn't have this benefit. And I think that's to his credit, because I think he is more representational of the frustrations that Americans have with the government right now. Like they feel trapped in the position they're in and they want to be able to get out of it. Yeah, it's worth noting, too, that like Tim Wall or yeah, Tim Wall has also been bragging about like his the number of like illegal aliens in his state and the way he treats the immigration policies. And that is backfiring super hard right now. And I think that it is going to backfire even harder as this hurricane relief plays out,

because all of the relief money that is supposed to be saving Americans from this hurricane is being spent on all of these illegal aliens all across the country. I saw a crazy thing that was talking about backup electricity systems. And it was saying that most of them were already sent to Ukraine. And that's why we can't get them into. And I didn't have a chance to dig into that. But that was something I saw in passing. The FCC went after Starlink and ended up cutting a ton of their capabilities.

And now Starlink, yeah, Elon Musk is giving Starlink for free in that whole area. I think that the better attack on Tim Walz is tampon Tim. I disagree. Even the average liberal libtard who are just like, yeah, I'm leftist. I don't like Trump, but I don't like all that gender stuff. I have a family. Yeah, but- So if you say the tampon Tim stuff, they're going to say, yeah, I don't want- I don't like Trump, but I don't like all that gender stuff. I have a family. Yeah, but... So if you say the Tampon Tim stuff, they're going to say, yeah, I don't want...

I don't think that's true, actually. I completely disagree. Yeah, I come from, like, Seattle, Washington area, and they actually, like, that kind of Democrat, they hear the Tampon Tim thing, they're like, ugh, another ignorant Republican that doesn't understand that. It's not just that. It's not just that.

You've got to understand what the meme conveys, right? So the reason... So Tampon Tim conveys to Republicans who know the news that he put tampons in boys' bathrooms. To liberals, you're saying, I hate that he tried helping women. Yeah, it conveys bigotry in a lot of ways. The liberals don't know. So they support that. So no, no, no, understand this. When the story was reported widely in the corporate press, they said, Governor Tim Walz is being criticized because he was trying to provide students with feminine hygiene products. And so the implication to liberals who don't watch the news is young women were suffering.

And Tim Walz said, we're going to make sure they get the stuff they need. And then Republicans attacked him for it. Also, not that it was going in boys rooms. The media doesn't report that. They report really selectively. And it's impossible to understand from the Republican side because a lot of liberals actually, like my parents for example, they get their little slice and they actually don't educate a lot of liberals what the actual LGBT agenda

is. A lot of them have no idea what it is. That's what I'm saying. Vance mentions that it's going into the boys' restrooms. Even a lot of liberals will say, I don't agree with that. They'll look into it. But saying tampon Tim is No, not that alone

i'm just saying like that's the starting point and then you explain what you mean by that i don't think you should say tampon tim i think uh that's there's the moderates are going to be like huh yeah there's an argument to be made for letting trump keep the rhetoric because he's already there and letting vance appeal to this more moderate vance needs to say look there's been a lot of criticisms of you know when you were working in government because feminine hygiene products are being placed in the boys bathrooms i don't know if that's a waste of taxpayer money or what that was about but a lot of people were upset by it i'm wondering if you could answer what that what that was all about and then let

him say it and let him say we wanted boys to have tampons and then he's all you know he does when when tim waltz goes, look, there are transgender students and they need access to feminine hygiene products in boys' bathrooms too and the boys' room should have the tampons. Then J.D. Vance can go, what? That's it. Like, what are you talking about? You know what's funny

is the Canadian military put tampons in men's rooms on military bases and the tampon dispensers kept getting vandalized and ripped off the walls. Well, that was happening in high schools. Yeah. Well, this was happening on Canadian military bases, and so the Canadian military opened

up a hate crimes fest. Oh, Canada. Come on. It's so ludicrous that they did that. But this is why Tim Walz is probably nervous, man. Because J.D. Vance has probably got, you know, a hundred different arguments and questions that Tim Walz will not be able to answer on that stage. And I'm going to be excited for this. But Trump had some opportunities he missed.

When Trump brought up she wants transgender surgery for illegal immigrants, the response from everyone was Trump's gone crazy. When Trump goes, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. The general response that I see in the corporate press is Trump has gone crazy. You need you what Trump should have done. And look, I know, I know it's my opinion. You guys can disagree. I'm just saying what I would do if I was Trump, as I'd say, look, Kamala has been a disaster for this country. I was just reading CNN this morning. And what was that they reported that CNN's reporting Kamala, you wanted transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants? What was that all about? Why did CNN report that?

Can you guys answer that for me? Pin it away from himself a little bit. I'm not saying this. Why was that in CNN? Why would CNN report that? I think that another aspect of what's happening tonight is Vance, actually, if he does well, he has an opportunity to recontextualize the entire first debate, especially if they do a three-on-one moderation thing again, because Vance can stand there and take that and be like, oh, remember the last debate when you did the same thing before?

And the more that Vance can kind of recontextualize things that happened in the first debate and give you a different closure to them, I think that he actually could, this debate could almost be more important than the first debate in a lot of ways because it lasts longer if he does it right. Let's see if J.D. Vance can keep a cool head and get those answers out. Trump was poked and prided by Kamala.

She pressed his buttons and she got him. The only thing is, if her opportunity here was not to insult Trump, it was to say, here's my economic plan. Maybe she didn't have one. But I have to imagine they wanted the Democrats wanted Kamala to go in and actually boost her polls by appealing to people. And they genuinely thought the plan would be insult Trump, get him flustered and he'll act a fool and then you'll win. And then the end of it, people just went, yeah, we know Trump, though. He's like he's a known quantity and he's better

on the economy. Kamala just did nothing. Yeah, I think that this is an interesting dynamic between the two of them because, yes, they are their own separate politicians and have their own records to account for. But ultimately, Vance and Walls are there to represent Trump and Harris. And because Harris never fully defined any goals for her opportunity economy or any whatever else she was vaguely promising. This is a good opportunity for Vance not only to push Tim Walz on stuff that he has said, but to say, like, why can't your campaign give us a specific goal? What is the specific goal here?

What are you looking for here? Why are you OK with this level of legal immigration? Like there are quantities that I don't think Tim Walz is prepared to answer because he's so used to placating progressive voters. Let's jump to this story from the Postmillennial. Quote, I will cripple you. Longshoremen Union President warns America as dock workers strike takes hold of ports nationwide.

They don't care. It's not fair. And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run over us and we're not going to allow that. That's amazing. International Longshoremen Association President Harold Daggett said the strike his union launched on Tuesday would cripple America. Quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means, Daggett said. In a news scrum, Daggett said the issue for workers is protection against automation, which he says is currently not strong enough because what happens is they come in with new technology. We just caught them in Mobile, was it Mobile? Mobile? Mobile. Mobile, Alabama, called Autogate. And that means the trucks are

coming in and they're already checked in somewhere else and not using the checkers in the ILA to circumvent the contract. They don't care. They don't care. It's not fair. And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run us over. We're not going to allow that. Washington put so much pressure on port authorities that they will cave to union demands. Cars won't come in. Food won't come in. Clothing won't come in. You know how many people depend on our jobs? Half the world. And you want an October surprise. How about them? I mean, it's important to note that this is happening during a Democratic presidency and Democrats are supposed to be the party of the workers. Well, yeah, and they're not the first one to go stand on a picket line. Right. So he's theoretically of all of Democrats, the most pro union, most working man of them all. I've read the number that this will cost America something like $4 billion a day. I don't know if that's totally true. But it is fascinating to me because I actually think automation is one of the growing threats to American workers. I'm not trying to be a tech foe, but this is the reality, right? There are people whose jobs will be automated away. The other part that I know about this is that it's

the East Coast longshoremen because one of the things that they had asked was that their salaries be matched to the West Coast longshoremen. West Coast longshoremen, I of the things that they had asked was that their salaries be matched to the west coast longshoremen west coast longshoremen i assume are dealing with a lot of shipments from china and so there is a huge industry there i i just want to say like i don't know anything about this daggett guy but after just reading that quote i will cripple you and you have no idea what that means i'm just like based don't you want to see the movie of this and he plays him well yeah that's the kind of thing I want to see Trump do. That's what he does. That's what we like about him.

Yeah, the unions were historically Democrat, right? But they refused to endorse the Democrat president recently because their own members were not voting Democrat. Yeah, the Teamsters. Which is amazing. Unprecedented. What is their argument for how they're going to win without the Teamsters, without union workers, with an economic crisis, the docks shutting down a month out from the election, Israel being bombed, a hurricane disaster zone they were ignoring? I do not understand. Look.

You're just missing the vibe. That's an easy question to answer. You're missing the vibe. I understand. Mail-in. Mail-in balance. I get it. Mail-in balance.

The Harris skipped that dinner. What was it? Was it Al Smith dinner? Yeah. And they say in the press the only only the last time this happened was Mondale. The last person to do that was Mondale. Oh, that didn't work out so great for him. No, he won one state. Yeah.

I'm hoping. I don't see that happening. I don't know how you can say we don't have an economic crisis when the pro-union president now has to deal with what the fourth or fifth major union strike of his presidency. The workers are this unhappy. Clearly the economy must be bad. They keep saying like the White House keeps saying about this one that they're not going to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act to basically bust the strike. So that means somebody is going to have to go in there and negotiate.

And every day that goes by is going to be months of recovery. You know, I mean, it's just going to take that much longer. And we saw what the supply chain crisis was like during COVID. It was really bad. There were runs on toilet paper and everything. I mean, it was absolutely out of control. You're saying we should stock up? I don't, I'm not going to do that.

If the workers aren't going to vote Democrat, they have an easy answer to that. It's called mail-in ballots. But for sure, we call it the shadow campaign. There's way less mail-in balloting this election than before. TP Action is doing a great job doing on the Republican side. Scott Pressler. You know, it kind of just clicked for me, actually, Tim, when you asked that.

I don't think, actually, I think there might be a very strong case to be made that they're actually aware that Trump is going to win, and what they're doing is they're getting World War III started, so he has to deal with that. They just started cutting rates in the economy, so there will be a crazy crash recession thing. It's like that just always will follow what we're doing there in the economy. So it looks more like what might be happening is they're setting up the worst possible administration for him to deal with, so they can run their media

wheels on him again and divide the nation further and try to do a rerun of his first presidency, and hopefully then capitalize on that division after that war is done. I agree. I think the escalations in the Middle East and Ukraine may be intentional because they want Trump to inherit a war that he cannot get out of. They want Trump to inherit an economy where they can say, we warned you. I take a look at Afghanistan and simply it makes no sense. There's literally no reason to abandon Bagram Air Force Base in your withdrawal.

They could have handled all their evacuations through Bagram. Then once they got their evacuations out, the interpreters, the U.S. men and women could be circling around Bagram and then evacuate and leave a small amount of contingent, a small contingent in to maintain air logistics and support. So the Taliban doesn't overrun everything. Instead, they abandoned Bagram in the middle of the night without telling anybody. Locals just started looting and raiding the Air Force base for whatever they could. Makes no sense.

They tried doing evacuations in this urban center. Chaos. A bomb goes off. They said that there were pilots in the Afghan security forces who were landing and just abandoning their helicopters

because there was no logistics, no radio support anymore. That sounds like it was on purpose. And I don't know if it was, but the theory that goes around online is that they wanted to punish the Trump administration and the American people for abandoning this project, that they were going to try and make an example where they can say, see, we can't just leave because we don't want Afghanistan again. I'm sure they'll say something very similar with Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan or Ukraine.

Oh, no. But if we leave Ukraine, look what happened to Afghanistan. I think it's on purpose. Now I look at what's going on now and I'm wondering if it's similar where they're going to say, OK, we're going to lose this one. Let's make sure Trump inherits a steaming pile of crap of an economy and war. And then we can blame him for it. Go to the American people and say, see, we told you so.

Yeah, but I mean, even if they blame him for it, he's going to get it fixed up. And then J.D. Vance is going to be like, hey, look at me. I'm ready for another eight years. I think he's more ready to fix it up than they give him credit for. I think that Trump actually is well-established to solve this crisis in the Middle East. And I think he's finally got a good team around him, too. Exactly. Well, they did that to Trump with the China virus stuff, where he was leaving and they're

like, hey, you had a crappy economy and now we made it great just because we have jobs coming back. In this situation, it's like he's coming in the beginning, so he can't actually fix it. Instead of on his way out, they make a problem. You know, there's another key factor here that's different this time, and that's X. Last time, we had no true free speech platform in order to counter the narrative. And they had all the censorship locked down. And the FBI worked with the Twitter platform. Exactly. That division was powerful.

And we saw it as soon as Biden took office, just the insanity of the left versus the right and the different sets of facts they're all living in. But even today, the mainstream media is having to report on X's reporting because X is reporting the truth before anyone else can cover the stories. And so when you have that fundamental free speech dynamic overlaying them trying to smear Trump throughout four years of him fixing all these problems that they created, that might be actually like they might be setting themselves up for a serious failure that they have not foreseen. And, you know, with X changing like that and Elon Musk taking a stand like that, we even saw over the summer Mark Zuckerberg kind of like backing off his previous thing. He said that he wasn't going to be giving a ton of money to any political campaign,

specifically Democrats who he gave a ton of money to last time he called Trump after the assassination attempt and said that he was, you know, and then in an interview said that he was bad-ass for doing that. He brought on a Republican, you know, for fight, fight,

fight. He brought on a Republican strategist and he said that he was more liberal. What was it was more libertarian. What was it? Libertarian. Zuckerberg should still go on trial. But you're right. It is sick. But to have Elon Musk stand up and take all those

slings and arrows, it made it so that Zuckerberg could in the background be like, oh, hey, everybody. Hey, what's going on? Becoming libertarian is the right thing to do. People respond to that. I heard Zuckerberg is becoming more masculine. He's training MMA.

He's becoming one of the boys. And so now he's a bit more changed. Right? He's a little more muscular. Yep. You get mocked for your surfing photo one time. I see two things. I genuinely think Zuckerberg saw himself in the memes

where he had the weird short hair, pale, and he looked like an android. A robot. And he probably was embarrassed. And he was like, that hair, pale, and he looked like an android. A robot. And he probably was embarrassed. And he was like, that's what people think of me. Nobody wants to be that guy. So now he looks like a surfer dude. Grow a little facial hair, let his hair grow out.

Much better look. Living in Hawaii, got a little tan. And you start exercising, you naturally become more conservative. There you go. It just always happens. Why do you think that is? Nostestron. What about?

Nostestron. Well, also it's that you start earning. The thing about fitness that's interesting is that you have to earn it. Even if you cheat with the cheats, you still have to earn it. And people, you don't always necessarily become full conservative, but every time someone that's never exercised or worked out or felt strong in any way, the Democrat Party lives on the handout mindset, right?

And the moment you start giving yourself the handouts, it's like, wait a minute. Like, what are we doing? It's really simple. Meritocracy versus communism, right? You're somebody who feels the burn every day and you struggle and you're trying to achieve something. And then you get there and now you're fit and you've got muscles. And then they say you have privilege. You have thin privilege.

You're getting these things because they're being gifted to you and you're like you don't have any idea how hard it was to like you guys eat donuts and twinkies and ho-hos and lay on the couch all day it's so easy and i break myself every day to be the better best version of myself that's when people are like i shouldn't pay taxes i encourage i did you know i did you know off and on for nine years and you get your ass kicked at first by even small guys yeah and you build your way up and so yeah you're like I earned this I belong here and so I encourage everyone in your audience to do some kind of martial arts even a basic level because you will learn what it means to earn your keep absolutely and this is this is a big component

of it imagine doing that exercise and then having to pay the medical bills of people who won't. Bingo. And this is a big shift for a lot of people because, you know, I've known people who have been unhealthy and they're like, I had to turn things around. I had to cut this out. I started exercising. I feel great.

And then I realized when they say universal health care, they're basically saying, I don't want to do any work. I want your money and your labor to pay for my lifestyle. I feel so strongly about that statement. I like, I've not been to the doctor in 10 years. I hate going to the doctor. Knock on wood, because if you just fell over right now. Hi, CIA.

Liquid death right there. And the amount of money that is going to health care is insane. And that is all coming from the sicknesses that are funded, that are being created by what maha movement is speaking out about by all of these poisons in our food like all the diabetes in our world right now it's like it's crazy that the trump maga and maha movement is speaking out about that health issue that is directly what we're talking about here of like why are we paying for all that bro i am maha all the way dude all the way i have never i have like, MAGA makes me chuckle, and I'm like, I get it.

You know, I love America, but I see MAHA, and I feel that energy. Oh, I rocked the MAHA hat. I was on the MAHA bus. Yeah, I mean, it's really so important. Like, I didn't always feel that way, and I used to eat a lot more takeout and stuff, but since I started pretty much just cooking all my own food, I'm so careful about what I put in it. Yeah.

Did you get chickens yet? What? You have chickens, right? No, I don't have chickens. Yeah, get them? You have chickens, right? I don't have chickens. Get them before you have to register them. I don't have chickens. In before the forms. I think the health is a big concern with Americans.

There's a lot I can't do. You can have chickens. Where do you want me to find this extra time? What do you mean? You get two chickens and they walk around. They just do their own thing. You got to clean up after the chickens. No, you don't.

You got to do stuff with chickens. Just get a goat and it'll take care of it. You have a kid. So now I'm supposed to get a goat. Yeah, you got a kid. And a kid. My kid. You met my kid.

All you got to do is wake up in the morning, go pick up. You get two hens. They're friends. I wake up in the morning. I get my kid to school. I work out. I write my newsletter. I start doing my job. And the morning. I get my kid to school. I work out. I write my newsletter. I start doing my job.

And the next thing I know, I'm exhausted and it's midnight. I figured it out. Libby takes a carton of eggs on the way out whenever she goes. Oh, I sure do. I take two cartons of eggs on the way out. Do you have them here now? Yeah, they're in another house. They're in another building.

Well, good. We have probably like three to four dozen eggs a day. I ate two of those eggs today. I hard boiled them. They were good. I know. You know, there's another aspect to the health thing that we haven't actually touched on. I think we forget a lot is we all just went through COVID and we got pushed all this pharma

bullshit during COVID when everyone knew all along from the very start that if you're healthy, you're pretty much good. Like you pretty much don't have to worry about it. Look at the vitamin D argument. Well, that's a part of being healthy, right? Right. So when people started saying things like, hey, you about it. Look at the vitamin D argument. Well, that's a part of being healthy, right? Right. So when people started saying things like, hey, you should consider taking vitamins, the media went nuts.

And I remember, we're a minute out, so, oh, they're here. They're getting started. Oh, yeah, let's get into this. Did you see outside there a Trump supporter shouting tampon, Tim? It's there. Oh, really? A lone man behind his lectern. Ed, give us your last thoughts as we watch here as

J.D. Vance is off in the wings. He was probably just shaking the hands of the moderators. That seems obvious, but no faux pas. They're looking for a viral moment. That's what they'll be looking for tonight. Vance looks way more relaxed. Yeah, and he's also the one making the comments.

I can't believe there are human beings who want to do this. ...doing the same as our colleagues. Maybe you're shaking hands before the cameras came on. That's right. It's a job for every person. Well, we have the vice presidential debate coming up in a moment.

It will be moderated by our own... All right. We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready. I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that. I'm actually surprised. Donald Trump's great, but what, he's a billionaire. He has a golden toilet.

Why, he doesn't need to do this. I mean, it's a lot of personal sacrifice to be that old and just keep working. And you know what, man? Like, when I look at Trump, he didn't need to do this. And I know people are going to say it's biased. When I look at Joe Biden, they say, what about Biden? He was old. And I'm like, yeah, but he had like a bunch of weird stuff going on with his kid and Burisma

and Ukraine. And it was like, if Trump got elected again, Biden is in trouble. The whole family is in trouble. And so he had to do it and he didn't want to. All right, here we go. Four seconds. Music. Did they not shake hands?

They did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. We're just over a month to go until Election Day, the first and only meeting between the two men. Is it weird that it's two women as the moderators? I feel like that's weird. I'm glad you pointed that out, Libby. They don't look like lesbians, so it's a little different from the last debate. This is likely the final debate of this election cycle, and voting is already underway in 20 states. CBS News polling shows this remains a race either presidential candidate could win. That's the goal.

The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now. Fight for every single vote, and we're going to take this country back. And we are ready to continue to build the future together. We're going to turn this whole country red with President Donald J. Trump's leadership. You know what's at the end of this little journey? I want to know what facial hair Vance is rocking today. This is a CBS News special live from CBS News headquarters in New York. America decides the vice presidential debate. Good evening. I'm Nora O'Donnell. And thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News vice presidential debate. We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the U.S.

and around the world. We have a consequential night ahead, and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter. Let's introduce the candidates. Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Ohio's Republican Senator J.D. Vance tonight meeting for the first time. I'm Margaret Brennan. In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to. Questions will be directed at one candidate who will have two minutes to respond. The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.

Then each candidate will get another minute to make further points with an additional one minute each at the discretion of the moderator. The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact-check claims made by each other. Yeah, they're really worried about it. CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidates' microphones

to maintain decorum. We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns. The stage is set. They clarified that on purpose. Senator, thank you for joining us. Let's get started. Tonight, our country is facing several unfolding crises. The Middle East is on the brink of war. Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene and now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing. We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East. Margaret.

Thank you, Nora. Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S. and Israeli defensive action. President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S. military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war. Iran is weakened, but the U.S. still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now to one or two weeks' time. Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You have two minutes.

Well, thank you, and thank you for those joining at home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started. October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners. Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. Getting its hostages back, fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack. But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

It's clear and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago. A nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. But it's not just that. It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous. His chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met. And both of his secretaries of defense and his national security advisors said he should be nowhere near the White House. Now, the person closest to them— Did he say he'd authorize the strike or not?

It's a great non-answer. Trump said he's unfit for the highest office. That was Senator Vance. What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership. We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. Understanding that our allies matter. When our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin, turn towards North Korea, when we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together,

we will stay committed. And as the vice president said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces, and there will be consequences. What kind of time is that? Senator Vance, the same question. Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You have two minutes. So, Margaret, I want to answer the question. First of all, thanks, Governor. Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate. And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate. I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are. I was raised in a working

class family. My mother required food assistance. My grandmother required social security help to raise me. And she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life. I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable. I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again. Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that

as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence. People were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration. What do they use that money for? They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies and, God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength. They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question. Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe. And we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys. I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question. Actually answering the question. Thank you, Senator. Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations? Well, look, Donald Trump was in office. We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump. Tim Walz, the excuse to keep a revisionist history. That had boxed Iran's nuclear program

in, the inability to advance it. Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April. Both Iranian

attacks were repelled. Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris has provided. Senator Vance, the U.S. did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal. He recently said just five days ago the U.S. must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible. Did he make a mistake? You have one minute. Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary. You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump, who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years. And the answer is you're running me, not mine.

Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure. Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now. And you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up. But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel? It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. So Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. Donald Trump has already done it once before. Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? The only answer is

during the four years that Donald Trump was president. That's a great answer. We have a lot to get to. Nora? Margaret, thank you. Let's turn now to Hurricane Kalimba. The storm could become one of the deadliest on record. More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing. Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, seven in 10 Americans and more than 60 percent of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. taking steps to try and reduce climate change. Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and

reduce the impact of climate change? I'll give you two minutes. Sure. So first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child. And it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as possible response as we can get to save as many lives as possible and, of course, afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.

I mean, these are communities that I love. Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast. They need their government to do their job, and I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster. Now, Nora, you asked about climate change. I think this is a very important issue. Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.

I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water. We want the environment to be cleaner and safer. But one of the things that I've noticed some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change. Well, let's just say that's true, just for the sake of argument so we're not arguing about weird science. Let's just say that's true. Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do? The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible,

and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output. So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people. And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly

the opposite. He's great. Governor Walz, you have two minutes. I'm going to rewatch this so I can learn. We got close to an agreement because all those things are happening. Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane. And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors. I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors. We work together on these emergency managements. Governors know no partisanship. They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground. Those happen on the front end. The federal government

comes in, makes sure they're there so that we recover. But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused. Now, look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing brought onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen. Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in. What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment. We've seen massive investments. The biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country. 2,000 in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here.

200,000 jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sets in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real. They've seen 500-year droughts, 500-year floods back to back. But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind. We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have. We're also producing more clean energy. So the solution for us is to continue to move forward, that climate change is real. Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.

You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country. That's exactly what this administration has done. We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current. And that's what absolutely makes sense. And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. Thank you. Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there. The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax.

Do you agree? Well, look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing. That's right. So, clearly, Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

Now, something— That's a really good point. —Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon, because when we talk about clean energy— I think it's going to go over Democrats' heads, though. I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here. And I'm talking, of course, about the democratic leadership. And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer

money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America. Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels. So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years. Natural gas, we've got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the opposite. That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate. this by the time is up. Governor, would you like to respond? Well, look, I was we're producing more natural gas than we ever had. There's no moratorium on that. We're producing

more oil. But the folks know and my like I said, again, these are not liberal folks. These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks. These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year. They understand that it makes sense. Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms. We saw it in Minnesota this summer. And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this. And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weather proof some of these things. The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?

How do we make sure that we're protecting lake fronts and things that we're seeing more and more of? But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say, give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want. We can be smarter about that. And an all above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. Governor, your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. Margaret. Thank you, Nora. We're going to turn

now to immigration. The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issue for American voters. Senator Vance, your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history and to use the U.S. military to do so. Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work? For example, would you deport parents who have entered the U.S. illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on U.S. soil?

You have two minutes. So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding. We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.

Ninety-four executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system. That has opened the floodgates. And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country. I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean. I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding. You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, reimplement deportations.

And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do with them? I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally. I think you start with deportations on those folks. And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country. And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work. And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

Right now in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some of them have been sex trafficked. Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families. Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules. The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border. And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember when she came into office, she said she was to do this real leadership would be saying you know what I screwed up We're gonna go back to Donald Trump's border policies. I wish that she would do that. It would be good for all of us Wow Do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations including that the vice president is quote letting in

Fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things. The drug mule is not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis. And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history, 30 percent decrease in Ohio. But there's still more work to do. But let's go back to this on immigration. Kamala Harris was the attorney general of the largest state, a border state in California. She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions. But look, we all want to solve this. Most of us want to solve this. And that is the United States

Congress. That's the Border Patrol agents. That's the Chamber of Commerce. That's most Americans out here. That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen. It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford. I know him. He's super conservative, but he's a man of principle, wants to get it done. Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation. The Border Patrol said, this is what we need in here. These are the experts. And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said, pass this thing. Kamala Harris helped get there.

1,500 new border agents. Detection for drugs. He's going to slam them on this one. DOJ money to speed up these, the adjudications on this. Just what America wants. But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no. Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue. It gives him, what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?

And they need to be done by the legislature. You can't just do this through the executive branch. So look, we have the options to do this. Donald Trump had four years. Four years to do this. And he killed it. And he promised you, America America how easy it would be I'll build you a big beautiful wall

And Mexico will pay for it Less than 2% of that wall got built And Mexico didn't pay a dime But here we are again nine years after he came down That escalator Dehumanizing people Telling them what he was going to do As far as a deportation plan at one point

Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable. So that's where we're at. Pass the bill. She'll sign it. Governor, your time is up. Senator, the question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S. citizens? You have one minute. Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations, thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. And I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules. I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country. And we know that they use children as drug mules.

And it is a disgrace. And it has to stop. Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test. For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. She did exactly that. We had a record number of illegal crossings. We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. The only thing that she did when she became the vice

president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America. Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop, and it will when Donald Trump is president again. Senator, your time is up. Governor, what about our CBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans, more than 50 percent, support mass deportation? Wow. Let's go, America. But the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it. You demonize it. And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying,

I will create stories to bring attention to this. That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield. The Republican governor said, it's not true. Don't do it. There's consequences for this. There's consequences. We could come together. Senator Lankford did it. We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make an issue. And the consequences of the American field were the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. And when it becomes a talking point like this,

we dehumanize and villainize other human beings. Governor, your time is up. Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first. The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding. So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this. Do you disagree that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement? You have one minute. Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job. I've been to the southern border more than our

borders are. Kamala Harris has been. And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help. But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels. Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we

brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border. It is a disgrace, Tim. And I actually think, I agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does. Senator, your time is up. You have one minute to respond. It is law enforcement that asked for the bill. They helped craft it.

They're the ones that supported it. That's because they know we need to do this. Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything. On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable. But it becomes a blame. Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. I agree it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done. This bill gets it done in 90 days. Then you start to make a difference in this and you start to

adhere to what we know, American principles. I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25, 40 talks about to the least amongst us, you do unto me. I think that's true of most Americans. They simply want order to it. This bill does it. It's funded. It's supported by the people who do it. And it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people. Thank you, Governor. And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status.

I thought you guys weren't fact-checking. Laura? Senator, we have so much to get to. We're going to turn out of the economy. Thank you. Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check. And since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. So there's an application called the CBP One app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years. That is the facilitation of a legal immigration warrant by our own leadership. Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process. Wow! It's opened up that pathway. Those laws have been on the books since 1990. Thank you, gentlemen. The CBP one app has not been on the books

since 1990. That's a muta! Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. We have so much we want to get to. Thank you for explaining the legal process. The legal process. Thank you, Margaret.

The economy is a top concern for voters. Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics. Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit. The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion. How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit? Governor, I'll give you two minutes. Yeah, thank you. And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from. We both grew up in that. We understand. So those of you out there listening

tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good. It's healthy. That's what this is supposed to happen. You should be listening. How's this going to impact me? The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is, one, is talking about this housing issue. The one thing is, there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house. A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere. It's foundational to where you're at.

And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that. Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it costs $5 to make insulin. They were charging $800 before this law went into effect. As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota, 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%. It's working. And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third.

We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families. And then getting businesses off the ground. The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to $50,000. Now, this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this. He kept it. He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said, you're rich as hell, I'm going to give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever. Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. Everyone debt, the largest ever. Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would be destabilizing

it. It would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look, this is simple for you. Where are we going? Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks have the things that they need. Wrong. Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that. But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.

My question is the same for you. How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit? I'll give you two minutes. Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer, a lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do. And some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good. Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's been the vice president for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies. And what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25 percent, drive

the cost of housing higher by about 60 percent, open the American southern border, and make middle-class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now. Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago. And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom, because Donald Trump's economic policies

delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5 percent inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world. So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the record. He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers. Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts. But if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans,

is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle-class and working-class Americans. It was passed in 2017, and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country. That is a record that I'm proud to run on, and we're going to get back to that common-sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling. I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills. It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country. Governor, do you want to respond to that? What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? Well, Kamala Harris's day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million

people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression, 9 million jobs closed on that. That was day one, whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things we moved. Now, you made a question about experts, said this. I've made a note of this. Economists can't be trusted. Science can't be trusted. National security folks can't be trusted. Look, if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. Donald Trump believes he does. My pro tip of the day is this. If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump. And the same thing goes with this. And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax

in the last 15 years, the last year as president. That's what's wrong with the system. There's a way around it and he's bragged about that. We're just asking for fairness in it and that's all you want. You can see on James. You have a minute. Governor, you say trust the experts. Those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to

China we'd get cheaper goods. They lied about that. They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. They were wrong about that. They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off. And they were wrong about it.

And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore. We're bringing American manufacturing back. We're unleashing American energy. We're going to make more of our own stuff. And this isn't just an economic issue. I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now. But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us. This has to stop.

And we're not going to stop it by listening to experts. We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on. Senator, Governor Walz, can you address that? I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy. Let me tell you what you should say. If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were. Look, I'm a union guy on this.

I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that, look, you produce soybeans and corn. We need to have fair trading partners. That's something that we believe in. I think the thing that most concerns me on this is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China. So the rhetoric is good. Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this. I watched it happen too. I watched it to my communities, and we talked about that. But we had people undercutting the right to collectively bargain.

We had right-to-work states made it more difficult. We had companies that were willing to ship it over. And we saw people profit, folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies that were overseas. We're in agreement that we bring those home. The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it. Kamala Harris has a record, 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just in and out of the IRA. May I respond to that? Yes. So, so appreciate that. So if you notice what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the

experts. And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did. So what Tim Walz is doing, and I, and I honestly, Tim, I think you've got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. I know what it's like to not be able to afford the

things that you need to afford. We can do so much better. To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again. We just got to get back to common sense economic principles. I hope we have a conversation on health care then. Senator, Governor, thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics. But right now I want to talk about personal qualifications. The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions. We want to ask you about your leadership qualities. Governor Walz, you said you were

in Hong Kong during the deadly. Oh, no. Spring of 1989. But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. That's fantastic. Can you explain that discrepancy? Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service. I joined the National Guard at 17.

Proud of that service? What? And then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher. Passionate. A young teacher. My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China. 35 years ago, be able to do that. I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.

We would take basketball teams. He's ignoring the question. Baseball teams. We would take dancers. And we would go back and forth to China. The issue for that was to try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am. They saw where I was at.

Exactly his answer. I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community. Whoa, he's crying. I've tried to be the best I can, but I've not been perfect. And I'm a knucklehead at times. But it's always been about that. Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years. And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans

benefits. And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor. So look, my commitment has been from the beginning. I'm waiting for what? Make sure that I'm there for the people to make sure that I get this right. I will say more than anything. Many times I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric. Being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life. I learned a lot about China.

I hear the critiques of this. I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us. I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID. And I guarantee you, he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. So this is about trying to understand the world. It's about trying to do the best you can for your community. And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is. My commitment, whether it be to the country, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress,

those are the things that I think are the values that people care about. Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the non-gerocracy? All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this. That's his defense always.

I misspoke. So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in. And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in government. Wow. Thank you, Governor. Senator Vance, in 2016, you called your running mate, Donald Trump, unfit for the nation's highest office. And you said he could be America's Hitler. I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020. But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president,

writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his. If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear and not just the advice he wants to hear. You have two minutes. Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open. And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president,

but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump. I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record. But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people, rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on. And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong, and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it. One of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.

Now, you pointed out the messages from 2020. Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job. I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society. It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems. It's a forum to govern. So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had

been a little bit better about how they govern the country. They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern. And I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax. Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs. And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. Think about this. If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and

undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage. Senator, your time is up. Nora. Thank you. Now to the issue of reproductive rights. Governor Walz, after Roe versus Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota

one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine. Yes or no? Is that what you support? I'll give you two minutes. That's not what the bill says, but look.

Oh, what? This issue is what's on everyone's mind. No, it's not. Donald Trump put this all into motion. He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe versus Wade. 52 years of personal autonomy. And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states. It's a beautiful thing. Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing. A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. She has a complication, a tear in the membrane. She needs to go in.

The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor. And that would have been an abortion. But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children. Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather. Those are horrific. Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right. There is no right in this. So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade. We made sure that we put women in charge of their health care. But look, this is not where if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.

Their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception. You didn't get the memo. And limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child. That's nobody else's business. But those things are being proposed. And the catch-all on this is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington. That's not how this works. This is basic human right.

We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. This is about health care. In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason. We trust women. We trust doctors. Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim? Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency? No, Nora, certainly we won't.

And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it, and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic. And, you know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options. And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me. And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you. And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. And I think that what I take from that as a

Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us. And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.

And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country, and it's diverse. And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona. And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes sometimes is is to let voters make these decisions let the individual states make their abortion policy and I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big a very diverse and let's be honest

sometimes a very very messy and divided country. Governor would you like to respond? I agree that's a good answer. Yeah well the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states. There's a young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. No, that's

not when she died. The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography? There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. That's why the restoration of Roe v. Wade. When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

His running mate, though, does not. And that's the problem. Governor, your time is up. Senator, let me ask you about that. He mentioned, I think, referring to a national ban. In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. My question is, why have you changed your position?

Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban. I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard. For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level. I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance. But, Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum in 2023,

and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust. So many young women would love to have families. So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn people's trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that. And that's what real leadership is.

Governor, your response. I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that. No, we're not. We're pro-women. We're pro-freedom to make your own choice. We know what the implications are to not be that. Women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's a state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. We understand that too. We know that the options need to be available and we make that true. We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children. But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all. We are pro-freedoms for women to make

their choices and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. Senator? I may respond to that. First of all, Governor, I agree with you. Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was. And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a

baby who survives a botched late-term abortion. That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric. And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will? Because Kamala Harris has supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family. But please. Yes, Governor, please respond. Look, this is one where there's always something there. This is a very simple proposition.

These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians who know best when they need to do this. Jen, that is correct. Trying to distort the way a law is written. I got the legislation pulled up. Try and make a point. That's not it. What was I wrong about, Governor?

Please tell me. What was I wrong about? That is not the way the law is written. Look, I think that how I've given this advice on a lot of things, getting involved, getting engaged. That's been misread, and it was fact-checked at the last debate. But the point on this is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved. I use this line on this. Just mind your own business on this.

Things worked best when Roe v. Wade was in place. When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best. That doesn't preclude us from increasing bonding for children. It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals, they get early childhood education, they get healthcare. So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them. She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families. I asked a specific question, Governor.

You gave me a slogan as a response. It's not the case. It's not true. That's not what the law says. So they fact-checked it with President Trump. Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. We have to move on. We're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment. Wow. Let me let me while they're while they're going

to the commercial. Give us that fact check. Well, so so I pulled up a dark. Let me get let me get on the computer. There was my understanding real quick is that there was language that basically said a doctor must use all methods to save the life of a child in this circumstance. And it was changed to basically say, well, they don't have to allowing Allowing a doctor to say, right, right, right. So it's hard to search where it's so specific, but I'll pull it up while you guys. Can I just tell you guys what my kid said? Because he's watching us watch the debate. Hey, Charlie.

He said, Vance sounds smart. He does. Waltz is Kamala radio. But Waltz always has like this puppy dog face his eyebrows are pointed up yeah he's always in major distress yeah and he's getting hostile with the moderators are you noticing that like he is not having a good time no meanwhile and he's scribbling the notes and he's super disarmed by the fact that jd vance is like thank you margaret thank you nora thank you tim like what a class came in he is subtly aggressive.

He's not going to be pushed around by this. But it was not this I'm throwing punches, slugging guy that I think Tim Walz had prepared himself for. But I love the, I'm sure Walz would agree with me on this. And then it continues on his part. And then Walz is like, yes, I do agree with him. Yeah, I do. Because he's too agreeable. Walz has too much of that agreeable personality to really govern properly, and that's why they kill babies up to nine months in Minnesota.

Plus I can really picture Waltz going home and crying into a pillow after this debate, and I don't want that kind of a guy governing either. No, you do get the sense that he probably cries a lot. He doesn't work out. Do you think he works out based on your earlier comments? I think Harris and his wife Gwen are going to yell at him after this. What I can pull up right now real quick, well, we're going to keep the debate alive, but it's just ABC News reporting the Born Alive bill passed by the House

would require care for infants born alive after failed abortion. This is what J.D. Vance is referring to. The article that I was pulling up is just giving me error 503 backend. You're scrubbing it right now. No, I think everyone's searching for it right now, and they're hitting the websites that have brought it up. And I can try and pull the vacation. I'm pretty sure that I have seen reporting on actual instances of it happening in the last, like, six months. So just to clarify, what Vance is saying was, in the event there was a late-term abortion that fails and the baby survives,

the doctors were required previously to provide life-saving care to the baby. Under the new law, it's sort of their own discretion. It removes the requirement. J.D., what Waltz kept saying was, that's not how the law is written. He didn't say no. He was like, that's not what's in the law. That's not how it's written. Not to mention that even supporting such late-term abortions is a pretty wild take in the first place.

It's pretty gross. And also he didn't answer whether or not he believed that. He just said what the law said. Even conservative states have exceptions. And he's bringing up these really exceptional cases saying, well, you just can't get an abortion. Even if you're going to die, you can't get an abortion. That's not really considered an abortion. In a lot of states, it's considered medical care because it's the life of the mother.

Whereas if it's just inconvenient or whatever other reason they want to have an abortion, that a lot of states, it's considered medical care because it's the life of the mother. Whereas if it's just inconvenient or whatever other reason they want to have an abortion, that's not an exceptional case. What he's bringing up is the 1% of abortions. He's talking about Amber Thurman. Amber Thurman died during emergency surgery after taking an abortion pill

and experiencing a rare complication. This is not her just not getting denied care and then she's doing whatever. Like, this is an unusual circumstances where she was already choosing to undergo an abortion and died during emergency surgery. I think this is a little bit different.

Caused by the abortion itself. Caused by abortion pills. Yes, these abortion pills are actually really dangerous. She would not have suffered from it if she had not taken the pill. The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which is the bill's house author Rep. Tina Leibling, DFL Rochester, has described as mere comfort care. Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die. So the argument is from Vance that, I think it's a bit more definitive,

but it's basically the language was changed as such that there is a legal defense that you could allow the baby to die. Well, Megan Kelly just posted this that says, it was from mccl.org, January 3rd, 2023. Today, Governor Jim Walz signed into law the Protective Reproduction Options Act to enshrine in state statute fundamental right to abortion without limits or safeguards.

Right. And so Colorado, the same thing. Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate. We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic. The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms. Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence. You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s. So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter

were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? I'll give you two minutes. Yeah, well, Nora, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions. I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no. And the details really matter here, of course. For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous. But, look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.

And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school. And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. And, of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff. And we do have to do better. And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this. The question is just how do we actually do it? Now, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence. The gross majority, close to 90 percent in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun

violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels. So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago. But what do we do about the schools? What do we do to protect our kids? And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security. But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.

We have to make the doors lock better. We have to make the doors stronger. We've got to make the windows stronger. And, of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys. It just doesn't fit with recent experience. So we've got to make our schools safer. And I think we've got to have some common sense, bipartisan solutions for how to do that. Governor, you have two minutes. Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare.

Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. Those things don't leave you. As a member of Congress, I sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall. Their 7-year-old were dead. And they were asking us to do something. And, look, I'm a hunter. I own firearms. The vice president is.

We understand that the Second Amendment is there. But our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out. In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks, and we can start to get data. But here's the problem. If we really want to solve this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence. And this idea that we should just live with it, and here's what I do think, that this is a good start to the conversation. I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids, it's abhorrent and it breaks your heart. I agree with

that. But that's not far enough when we know there are things that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country. There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference. It's not infringing on your Second Amendment. And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an attorney general, worked on this issue. She knows that it's there. No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns. But I ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort? Is that is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills?

They're being kids. We owe it to them to get a fix. These are things that shouldn't be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference. We have to. If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart. Senator. Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting. I'm sorry about that. And I hope that you're doing okay. Christ have mercy. It is awful. And I appreciate what Tim said actually about Finland because I do think it illustrates some of the frankly weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and and Finland is okay first of all we have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health

Substance abuse we have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety. We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it. Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities. And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets. I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools, we've got to talk about more security.

Senator, thank you. Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position. Why? I sat in my office with those Sandy Hook parents. I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time. What?

Friends with school shooters? Oh, my God. I'm sure that's a mispeak, but also what? My shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice. What? That's not where we live today. And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one, where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural

suicides. And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. And so we have, and we should look at all of the issues, making sure folks have healthcare and all that. But I want to be very careful. This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent. And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat. Sometimes it just is the guns. It's just the guns. And there are things that you can do about it. But I do think that this is not, and I think this is a healthy conversation. I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children.

That's our priority. Gentlemen, thank you. Everyone's tweeting it. He literally just said he was friends with school shooters. Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent. There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States, and that contributes to the high housing prices. Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit. They also promise to build 3 million new homes.

Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher? No, it's not handing out. We have, first, let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. It can be bought up. It can be shifted. It can be moved around. Those are not folks living in those houses. Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal. I bought and owned one house in my life. My mom still lives in the house where I was. And when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family. We need to make it more affordable. And one of the things, as I said, this program that the vice president is pushing forward and bringing a new way of

approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead. We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. It starts to make it easier. We cut some of the red tape. Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes. And then that down payment assistance. I can tell all of you out there, certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a veteran's home loan, the big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment. Those are things that make it there.

You earn not having to pay the down payment. And you're going to pay your mortgage. With your service. Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it. And I will give Minneapolis an example. Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates. We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in. And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance. We get it back from

people because here's what we know. People with stable housing end up with stable jobs. People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school. All of those things in the long run end up saving our money. And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in. But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason. That's not the case that's happening in many cities. The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affording affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base. Governor, your time is up. Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks,

and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief? You have two minutes. Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with. We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. 25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations have happened right alongside massive increases

in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now, Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now, some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent, and some of them I disagree with. But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics. She is the sitting vice president. If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave

her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable. Now, you asked, Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens? If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill, one of the biggest drivers of housing costs, aside from illegal immigration, is think about it. If a truck driver's paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive. If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens, not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic

goods, too. Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there. Do you want to answer? Can I have it? We will get to you in a moment. Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands? Can you clarify? Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything. They're not being used for National Park. They're not being used. And they could be places where we build a lot of housing. And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

We have a lot of land that could be used. We have a lot of Americans that need homes. We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes. And we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here. Senator, your time is up. Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in migrants. Well, of course, that's not true. And again, you have the facts. I guess we agreed not to fact check. I'll check it. Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office. But it's, again, blaming and not trying to find the solution. I was going to ask on this question,

are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land? And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land. Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands. I know in the western part of the countries we do. There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this. And I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. Look, Minnesota, we protect these things. We've got about 20 percent of the world's fresh water. These lands protect. They're there for a reason.

They belong to all of us. But again, this is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities. Like there's a chance to make money here. Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to people for that. I think there's better ways to do this. We've seen it in Minnesota. We're able to refurbish some of these houses. We're able to make some investments that gets people in. And I'm still on the fact on this, economists, Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists. Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost? Governor, your time is up.

But, Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify. There are many contributing factors to high housing costs. What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem? Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate. We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices. Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

Look, we are a country of builders. We're a country of doers. We're a country of doers. We're a country of explorers. But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do. And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes. I actually agree with Tim Waltz. We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity,

but the thing that is most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here. What are the federal regulations? I deal with this as a governor. You can very quickly reply. I'm sorry. You're not prepared. I get this as a governor and I don't necessarily disagree with I'm sorry. You're not prepared. I get this as a governor and I don't necessarily disagree with that. That in some cases, many of those are local. Many of them are state. I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them. I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things.

So which are the regulations? Because the vice president's not responsible for those. Congress writes those. Governor, thank you. Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through. You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell. But, Nora? Thank you. One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care.

Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act. In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan. Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance. Can you explain how that would work? And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more? I'll give you two minutes. Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more. I'll give you two minutes. Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.

In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care. I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark. Look, it's very simple common sense. I think, as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900-page bill standing on a debate stage.

It would bore everybody to tears. And it wouldn't actually mean anything, because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation. Now, when Donald Trump was actually president—and, again, he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time. Under Kamala Harris's leadership, prescription drugs are up about 7%. Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5%. He introduced pricing transparency. Think about healthcare. You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs. That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit

more choice and will also drive down costs. And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about. Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non-chronically ill. It's not just a plan. He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States. And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.

I think this is an important point about President Trump. Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done. But when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care. It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do. But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies. He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time. Governor.

All right. Here's where being an old guy gives you some history. I was there at the creation of the ACA. And the reason it was so important is I come from a major health care state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those. We understand healthcare. It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare. And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before. And those of you listening, this is critical to you. Now, Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this. He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal

Obamacare. On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA. He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost at the Supreme Court. And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill. Now, fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your preexisting conditions. If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad. If you're a woman, probably not. Broke your foot during football, might kick you out. Your kids get kicked out when they're 26. Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare. We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there. But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan,

it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. What Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept. Because what he explained is pre-evaluated. I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time. What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more? So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure. Because guess what happens? You pay your premium. It's not much. They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you. But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out of it. That's why the system didn't work. Convalescent Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.

Governor, thank you. Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with preexisting conditions or laid out that plan. Look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions. We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. Now, what Governor Walz just said is actually not true. A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges. Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did so in a way that preserved

people's access to coverage who had preexisting conditions. But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue. But in reality, Donald Trump was president. Inflation was low. Take-home pay was higher. And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.

He did his job, which is govern in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them. Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration? It's higher now that we've seen it go up. Look, people are using it. The system works. And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this. And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.

So you think the individual mandate is a good idea? I think the idea of's a good idea? I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works. When it doesn't, it collapses. You were asking pre-ACA where we get people out. Look, people know that they need to be on health care. People expect it to be there. And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way,

when we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you. Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever. Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70. So look, the ACA works. We can continue to do better. Kamala Harris did that. The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history. Thank you. Individual mandate was brutal. I remember that. Let's talk about families in America. There is a child care crisis in this country. And the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents. Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.

How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? You have two minutes. Yeah, well, that's negotiable, and that's what Congress worked. But here's what the deal is. Americans sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company. Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies. Kamala Harris knows that and are in California. Those companies provide paid family medical leave.

One is I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave. You have a child, you, and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. What we know is that gets the child off to a better start. The family works better. We stay in their employers. we get more consistency in that. So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented it in Minnesota, and we see growth.

That's how you become a pro-business state. But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it. Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. We know what happens. You end up staying home. In some cases, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that. This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us. He's willing to give those tax breaks to the wealthiest. He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever. What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us. And so a paid family

medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them. As far as childcare on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side. You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of money. And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. We were able to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. We were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis on this. A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want. It's sort of irrelevant. Governor, your time is up. Senator, do you support a national

paid leave program? And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they're home taking care of their newborn? You have two minutes. Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue. And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue. I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman

who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator. And I'm so proud of her. But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. But the cultural pressure on young families, and especially young women, I think makes it really hard for people to choose the

family model they want. A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately. Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids. Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. We should have a family care model that makes choice possible. And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach. I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government. These programs only go to one kind of child care model. Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with child care. Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area, and you'd like to get together with families in

your neighborhood to provide child care in the way that makes the most sense. You don't get access to any of these federal monies. We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how we promote childcare. It is unacceptable. And, you know, of course, Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks. And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids. That is an incredible burden to put on American families. We're the only country that does it. I think we could do a heck of a lot better. Senator, thank you. You have also said, Senator Vance, Many things about the American family. The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month.

So I want to get your thoughts on this. President Trump recently said as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in. Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described? You have one minute. Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing

countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers. It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. Cut taxes for American workers and American families. Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America, but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas. That's the heart of the economic proposal. And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave,

child care options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families. Excellent answer. Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the childcare shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options. And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.

We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide childcare options for American families families because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service. Thank you, Senator. Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit. Why do her eyes look red? Do you think Congress $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six, as your campaign has promised. Is that realistic? Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue. Everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were shocked

to hear it's not that expensive. And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months. Let's be clear of where we're at on this. It's because we got out of an imbalance on this. We thought we were going to get by by not paying people. I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart. I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options. We've done scholarship types of things. I think we need to be open to making the case. But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs. That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the hole.

That's Wharton School. That's his alma mater. And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not. When I go to businesses, sure, they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with child care and they will lead with housing. Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce. Governor, thank you. We need to move on.

Nora, let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud. the nation, Republicans and Democrats certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th. Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. That has been called unconstitutional and illegal. Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor certifies the results?

I'll give you two minutes. Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future. We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable. And that's what we're focused on. But I want to answer your question because you did ask it. Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square, and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said.

Remember, he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. And on January the 20th, what happened? Joe Biden became the president. Donald Trump left the White House. And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris-Biden administration. I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country. But unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about. It is the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about. It is

the threat of censorship. It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics. It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation. I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years. Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.

Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue. But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences. We ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done it over a number of other issues. And that,

to me, is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here. And I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things. And I think I'm ready to go. If we could get out of here. Me too, man. There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me. And I say that because I think we need to tell the story. Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this. And the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. He was very clear.

I mean, he lost this election. And he said he didn't. 140 police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day. Some with the American flag. Several later died. And it wasn't just in there. In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state Capitol grounds in St. Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties.

The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police. That issue and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. Mike Pence made the right decision. So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win. But the democracy is bigger than winning an election. You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win. That's what was at stake here.

Now the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that imprisoning your political opponents, already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this. And a president's words matter. A president's words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair

election and the peaceful transfer of power. And here we are four years later in the same boat. I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart. Margaret? Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that? Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th,

as we have done for 250 years in this country. We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election. And of course, I hope that we win and I think we're going to win. But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes and he'll have my help whenever he wants it. But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.

This has been going on for a long time. If we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board. But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that. Governor. January 6th was not Facebook ads. And I think a revisionist history on this. Look, I don't understand how we got to this point. But the issue was that happened.

Donald Trump can do it. And all of us say there's no place for this. It has massive repercussions. This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone, threatening to do something, that's not censorship. Censorship is book banning. We've seen that. We've seen that brought up. I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm going to thank Senator Vance, I think this is the conversation they want to hear. And I think there's a lot of agreement.

This is one that we are miles apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen. And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say. He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election? Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? That is a damning non-answer.

It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020. We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further. But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy. The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment. You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation. Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds.

That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment. I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another. Let's argue about ideas, and then let's come together afterwards. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Yes, you can. That's the test. And in afterwards. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Yes, you can. That's the test. And in Berkeley, Ohio.

Tim, fire in a crowded theater. You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks. Senator, the governor does have the floor. Fire in a crowded theater. You can yell fire in a crowded theater. That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American. Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you. Yeah.

I don't run Facebook. What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused. And now again, and this, I'm pretty shocked by this. He lost the election. This is not a debate. It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world. Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage. What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump? Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including

taking an election and his vice president's not going to stand to it. That's what we're asking you, America. Will you stand up? Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't? And I think Kamala Harris would agree. She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that, because, of course, that's what we would do. So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.

Governor, your time is up. Thank you, gentlemen. We will be right back with both of our candidates. The CBS News vice presidential debate. This should be the closing statements coming up, I presume. You friends, I will tell you this. I strongly implore you, please don't yell fire at a crowded theater, but it in fact is legally protected speech. Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969 overturned Schneck v. United States, and you can only restrict speech if it creates a threat of imminent lawless action. Thus, a person in a crowded theater who yells fire isn't doing that, and that is incorrect on the part of Waltz. The guy's clearly

floundered. He has no... I mean, look, man. I am more impressed with J.D. Vance than I thought I would be. I was calling him vanilla yogurt. No, now he's fresh flan made by Abuelita right in the home-cooked kitchen.

It is masterful. He's way better than flan, Tim. Oh, but dude, Abuelita making a nice fl home cook kitchen. It is masterful. He's way better than Flan, Tim. Oh, but dude, like, you know, Abuelita making a nice Flan for you? That's like... Well, I mean, I wouldn't turn it down. No, that's legit. That's like top tier. I thought Pence was impressive when he debated Kamala.

But yeah, J.D. Vance is on another level. You know what he did that really impressed me? Was he made sure to catch any manipulation. So he said something to the effect of, well, now you've got Democrats doing this thing. And of course, I'm talking about the Democratic leadership. That catch, and he's done it several times, was because they were going to come around and go, he accused voters of doing this thing. They would try and manipulate what he was saying.

Masterfully done over and over again. I am deeply impressed. Tim Walz, I got to hand it to him. He is likable. He is. That's what the Twitter is saying right now. He's a likable guy. He's a doofy guy.

But he floundered quite a bit. He stuttered quite a bit. And, you know, when Vance was like, you got a tough job trying to reconcile Kamala's record here. You're a nice guy. That's it. And, you know, pretty much hit the whack-a-mole on the head. But what's funny is I'm sure there's a lot of American people right now who are like, I wish they were the presidential candidates. Yes, I think there are.

This gives me a little bit of like the Mitt Romney Obama era where like they came out and one of them made a joke like, and I, of course, want to thank the first lady for allowing you to be here on like your anniversary or something like sort of this weird camaraderie. We're in we don't agree, but we're in this unique position, whatever. And I think there is some of that here. Apparently, Walls debate prepped with Pete Buttigieg. Oh, that's not smart. And Jamie Vance prepped with, I think, Tulsi. Tom Emmer. Tom Emmer and his wife.

Oh, that's smart. Yeah, is that funny? Debate prepping with your wife is smart because she knows all your buttons. Yeah, exactly. The thing that's great, too, is Vance hasn't gone after Waltz personally at all. He's been a real gentleman about the whole thing, and I think that that really shows a lot of class. And also, it makes it so that Waltz doesn't have to look like a scoundrel himself. Waltz is able to walk out of the stage with his head held high, frankly.

When Vance was asked about 2020 and his immediate reaction was, we're focused on the future. I'm cheering because I have been begging Trump to say this. Like, I understand we've got to focus on the future. Those are issues that happen, but I care about. And then he did. And then it is the utmost skill and integrity when he says, but you asked the question, so I will answer it. Man, how often do we talk about politicians vamping, pattering,

or trying to jump the questions? And he kept saying, I'm going to give you an answer. Here it is. Okay. And now what you asked me, and then he answers it. I respect it.

I respect that too. That's the kind of thing Vivek does too. Vivek always answers the question. I respect that a lot. I think it was really smart for the Trump campaign to bring Vivek on as like, you know, a consultant and advisor because he's had a lot of good ideas.

Yeah, I mean, politicians always want to answer in their own way, answer the question that wasn't asked, put themselves out there. But then, of course, you want to come back to the question eventually. Whereas Kamala never does that. No, you're right. Wallace never does that. Look at the first question. Would you support a preemptive strike? And he just go, he just patters. And then he asked J.D. Vance and J.D. Vance is like, well, the question was this, and he goes, if Israel

knows what's best for their defense, and we're going to support them in the best way that makes sense, it's going to be Israel's decision. I'm like, I don't know what else you say. Like, hey, we're not Israel. They're going to figure out what matters. I thought that was a great answer. Yeah, I thought it was a really good answer. Vance has had a lot of really good ones. I really liked how he

basically redefined the term gun violence in America. I mean, I think that has been only tagged to school shootings when he is totally right. Inner city shootings do not get the coverage they should. I think that he did a really good job by making. We're back. We're back. Closing statements. Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate.

It is now time for the closing statement. Senator Vance won the virtual coin toss and elected to go last. So, Governor Walz, you are first. You have two minutes. Well, thank you, Senator Vance. Thank you to CBS News. And most importantly, thank you to all of you. If you're still up and the folks who miss dancing with our stars, I appreciate it.

But look, the support of the democracy matters. It matters that you're here. And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift. And a whole bunch of people. We got RFK, Tulsi, and Trump. And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people. They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is. And I have to tell you that better than it is, is the sense of optimism

that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead. And the idea that freedom really means something, not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself. Now, look, we all know who Donald Trump is. He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that. His first inaugural address talked about American carnage, and then he spent four years trying to maybe do that. Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda. He will continue to push down that road. Excuse me. Kamala Harris gives us a different option. Now, I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that

Senator Vance said that does resonate with me. He said, Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid. A lot of America feels that way. We don't need to be afraid. Franklin Roosevelt was right. All we have to fear is fear itself. Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward. She's bringing us a politics of joy. She's bringing real solutions for the middle class. And she's centering you at the heart of that.

All the while asking everyone, join this movement. Make your voices heard. Let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris. Governor Walz, thank you. Senator Vance, your closing statement. I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening. And one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy. And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother,

when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night and because money was often very tight. And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night. That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family. That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. I believe that whether you're rich or poor,

you ought to be able to afford to buy a house. You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods. You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl. And that, too, has gotten harder with Kamala—because of Kamala Harris's policies. Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. She's been the vice president for three and a half years. Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.

Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world. I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family. What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world, but they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington. They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that

we've been doing for the last three and a half years. We need change. We need a new direction. We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well. Please vote for Donald Trump. And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you. God bless you and good night. Senator Vance, thank you. And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election. See you later, CBS. Look,

I know a lot of people are ragging on CBS, but I actually respect them for calling out Tim Walz and impressing him. The fact check was bunk when they were like, actually, they're legal. But then J.D. Vance did exactly what I was saying trump should have done interject and step in and he did and he said no no this is an app and he explained it and they

cut his mic they cut his mic over it but we heard the end of that cut mic and it was brilliant that's right before that you agreed to no fact checking so now i'm gonna lay into you yeah and they had slipped this comment that scientists agreed that the climate is getting hotter or something too like he did let one slide. He didn't come off as this aggressive... They're all shaking hands. There you go. Life looks great. Look at that cranberry grass.

And I gotta be honest. I'm gonna say it again. Tim Waltz is a likable guy. He absolutely is. Kamala Harris is not. She's way more likely than... And it warms my heart the way they were being polite, shaking their hands. Yeah. The moderator's hands.

J.D. Vance was him was an excellent choice. I think Shapiro was still a better choice than Waltz. But I appreciate how this went down politely. And I hope for that more in the future. But let's just say this. Look, we watched Trump v. Biden. Biden was so bad he had to get he was removed.

We watched Trump and Kamala. And I think most of us, I mean, me especially, we said Trump got flustered. Kamala attacked him emotionally. However, Kamala also didn't articulate her plans in this one. I think it's clear cut. J.D. Vance, 10 out of 10. Tim Waltz, four out of 10. The people that I'm seeing on Tim Waltz's side on Twitter right now, their opinions are based on the fact that they don't understand what were lies and what were facts. I'm not even talking about that. I mean, we can, but I'm talking about how, in terms of debate style, J.D. Vance clarifying who he's talking about. On style alone. On style, when he was asked about 2020 and he said, we got to focus on the future,

Tim Waltz sidestepped too many questions. He flubbed and flustered and stuttered a little bit. J.D. Vance did a couple of times, but Tim Waltz was doing it incessantly. And Waltz was clearly not prepared for a calm and stoic J.D. Vance giving these responses. I think J.D. Vance wins this one to no question on any reasonable measure. J.D. Vance, these responses. I think J.D. Vance wins this one to no question on any reasonable measure. J.D. Vance, you too.

Even from a purely objective perspective, I mean, Tim Walz does have a hell of a job. And for Raskin and Harrison, who would do a better job? I will say one thing that J.D. Vance has been slammed a lot by feminists and women saying like, oh, you hate women or whatever. And he went out there and he

said, my wife is an extremely powerful corporate attorney. She's amazing at it. And he's obviously super supportive of her and proud of her and proud of their family. And obviously is a very supportive and loving husband. And I thought that that really came. And he spoke respectfully to the female moderators. I mean, there was no point about the way

that he discussed anything that seemed anti-woman to me. I think what's interesting is that Walls did better than Harris. Like even though he was flustered, he didn't do well in delivering a coherent message, but generally seemed more earnest at times than Harris ever did in any performance. I mean, I wonder now if Walls is looking at this ticket like I have locked myself onto someone who is going to sink my potential political career. Well, we're going to start to wrap things up. So my friends, thank you all for hanging out for our live debate, commentary, watch party, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel. If you haven't already shared the show with all of your friends, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim cast and make sure before you go check out our new song coming home. It's on YouTube. It's

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