Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #136 - Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died, Trump Must Now Appoint NEW SCOTUS Judge

Episode Date: September 19, 2020

Tim and guest Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360 on Twitter) join forces to discuss breaking news about Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death, and all the questions it raises about the SCOTUS, the potential for civil war, the immediate reaction from conservatives, an actress voices support for Trump and the silent majority is real, Tim has an epiphany and the two close with talk of home schooling.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, we have major breaking news that happened just within the past half an hour or so. I'm sure most of you know because you clicked this video. We're live here. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice, has passed away. She was 87. Rest in peace. We have a lot to talk about. Donald Trump will now have to select a new Supreme Court Justice. And there is a lot to unpack. Potential riots, protests. Who are the Supreme Court justice. And there is a lot to unpack potential riots, protests. Who are the Supreme Court picks? I can't I'm shocked this is happening right now. I mean, it was with all due respect, a lot of people were worried this day was going to come, but it was fairly reasonable to assume. I'm trying to be very delicate because I really do mean it that

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a strong individual. She was she she broke ground in a lot of ways. And I have tremendous respect for anybody who gives their life to serve this country, even if we disagree. But her time did come and she passed away. Donald Trump now has a bunch of people he wants to pick. And there are many of them, if not all of them, that could lead to protests is putting it lightly. I mean, most of you probably remember what happened with Brett Kavanaugh, the smears, the media cycle, the pounding on the doors. That was pretty intense. We are not we are less than two months away from one of the most important presidential elections probably ever. I mean, at least for us in our lifetime. And this dropped just right now.

So it's hard to know who this is going to energize more, Republicans or Democrats. But we have a lot to break down and we'll figure it out. So we are we are lucky to be joined by political commentator Drew Holden, the spooler of threads on Twitter. Thank you, sir. Yeah. You have a bunch of insightful threads talking about various political issues. And so we were just going to talk regular news we were like it'd be really it'd be really great to have drew um i've shared your threads on twitter before you're uh pretty insightful and uh and then this happened and we were we were getting ready for the show when the news dropped and it was just kind of like getting punched in the gut and i'm not saying like you know it's i'm not saying it to be like i was, you know, devastated by it emotionally, just like it was a shock.

Like, yeah, right now it just happened. So we should just dive into this. There's a lot to go over. Of course, make sure you smash the like button. Subscribe. Share this stream if you like the show, because that's that's how we do it. We don't have a marketing budget. It's word of mouth.

If you think this is a good show, an important stream, please share. Of course, we're joined also by AtSourPatchLids, the producer. And we have, I'll just say it for a millionth time, a lot to go through. So let me just, we'll do the news first and foremost. And then we're going to start breaking this down. From NPR, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, champion of gender equality, dies at 87. I'm going to show you her, one of her, I'm going to show you her one of her. I'm gonna show you her dying wish that NPR has included that I was shocked to hear. According to NPR, they say just

days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter, Clara Sparrow, quote, My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed. OK, that is shockingly 2020. And we're going to start getting into we're going to lighten up in a little bit. I want to make sure we're being respectful and delicate as we talk about her losing her life for sure. But we're going to lighten up and talk about the future in a second. But I just want to say that quote to me is bordering on the absurd. I can't. It's almost shocking that that's the statement that was put out. But let me just read a little bit. They say Justice Ruth

Bader Ginsburg, the demure firebrand who in her 80s became a legal, cultural and feminist icon, has died. The Supreme Court announced her death, saying the cause was complications from cancer. Architect of the legal fight for women's rights in the 1970s, Ginsburg subsequently served 27 years on the nation's highest court, becoming its most prominent member. Her death will inevitably set in motion what promises to be a nasty and tumultuous political battle over who will succeed her. And it thrusts the Supreme Court vacancy into the spotlight of the presidential campaign. She knew what was to come. Ginsburg's death will have profound consequences for the court and the country. Inside the court, not only is the leader of

the liberal wing gone, but with the court about to open a new term, Chief Justice John Roberts no longer holds the controlling vote in closely contested cases. Though he has a consistently conservative record on most cases, he has split from fellow conservatives in a few important ones, this year casting his vote with liberals, for instance, to at least temporarily protect the so-called dreamers from deportation by the Trump administration, to uphold a major abortion precedent precedent and to uphold bans on large church gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic. But with Ginsburg gone, there is no clear court majority for those outcomes. Now, the most important thing that needs to be mentioned as we enter an election cycle that

will likely be disputed is that the Supreme Court now skews conservative, very likely meaning if this if if if we go to a contested election and the court must decide, I think they're going to side with Trump. And what do you well, I'm I'm a bit I'm a bit. Look, we got 50 billion stories here. We've got who's who's Trump going to pick? Amy Coney Barrett, conservative. What will the left's reaction be let me just ask you right away uh just off of the your general your general reaction both you guys let's just get into it yeah i mean first and foremost obviously the prayers are with her family and the repose of her soul and you know she she'd been battling cancer for a long time and

i think npr hit the nail on the head when they talked about her being a cultural icon right i i don't think i'm gonna blow anyone's mind when I say that. I don't necessarily agree with the sorts of things she stood for to be a cultural icon. But I think it's important to recognize that she is. And I mean, I think this is, you know, we chat about a little bit before the show, but this is going to be an enormous gut punch to millions and millions of people across the country. And I think for a lot of people, that will be the cultural and cultural import. But I think you're right. I think one of the biggest things that might get overlooked here is if there are people who don't believe in the integrity of the Supreme Court as a result of her leaving, which I think a lot of people wrongfully will.

We're going to have to deal with that on Election Day. Careful pounding. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not just that they would side with Trump if it goes if the vote gets contested. We're looking at a mail. We're looking at mail-in ballots. I've talked to my progressive friends. They think it's totally safe, and they don't know anything about the stories that have emerged. Like in Patterson, New Jersey, for instance, they voided

the election. There is something like a million primary ballots have been discounted or were late. The New York Times reported this. In Baltimore, I think it was 68,000 ballots were held for five days, but the Postal Service wasn't delivering them. There have been numerous errors. And now they might side with Donald Trump, the court. However, the left might view it as illegitimate. Yep. But the court's missing the key vote.

Right. How can it? And what if they split? What if it goes 4-4? If it goes 4-4. I mean, what do you do man dude and i mean i think we you know you can come into it to the election and say hey even if you even if you're someone who is worried about it then at least we've got the supreme court to be able to moderate this thing and now we don't know that we'll have the numbers and if we do have the numbers you're right i mean

think about it like we we saw how upset people were in 2016 and now imagine all of those people not only are upset but they're also thinking that the results of the election are illegitimate and that they're not fair. And that, of course, it's Donald Trump's fault. And then so so the election breaks. Mail-in voting is contested on both sides. On Election Day, Donald Trump landslides. It's called the Red Mirage. Republicans are going to go vote in person. Democrats vote by mail. That means on election night, Trump wins in a landslide. Over the next several days, the Democrat votes start pouring in and then it flips to Joe Biden. Donald Trump then starts contesting some of these mail-in votes, saying some were discounted, some were counted that shouldn't have been. Those voters, those signatures don't match.

You know, we saw in Pennsylvania they ruled signature verification out the window. They now can't disqualify a vote if the signature doesn't match, arguing they should be able to give the voter a chance to fix it. So what? It takes two months to fix all the votes? Not going to happen. Trump's going to sue. Joe Biden's going to sue. It's going to go to the Supreme Court. And what if it goes 4-4? I don't think it would because they lost Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But Roberts, Roberts could go liberal. Roberts. And I think conservatives have learned their lesson time and time again that Roberts is not some sort of stalwart conservative that we should put our faith in. Could you imagine if it finally goes to the court and they go 4-4 on this?

What do you do? I don't even know. That's the other thing, too, is I don't, you would have legal fights about how to resolve the legal fight. The Supreme Court is not in a position to actually solve the problem with only eight members. Trump needs to appoint someone now, and this person needs to be confirmed now, now, now, now. The problem with that, though, is that the left is going to be, we were talking about the White House siege, right? Yeah. Did you hear about this? Okay, so for those that aren't familiar, a group called Adbusters, the magazine, had put out a call for what it was a 50 days of protest called the White House siege in front of the White House.

It was supposed to be nonviolent, but I guess nobody was buying it because they called it a siege. So they changed it to 50 days of improvisational jazz because they really did not want violence. I can respect that peaceful protest is cool. It's cool. Sure. But it was announced by the General Assembly, the activists in D.C. that due to Donald Trump, they would be canceling the event because they felt like free speech was under attack and all that stuff. If there was anything that could ignite a legitimate 50 day siege, and I don't mean like jazz or nonviolent protest. I mean, quite literally people shaking the fences. They were

pounding on the doors of the supreme court when brett kavanaugh was get it was uh it was the supreme court or what building was it um i think it was in the senate wasn't it yeah they were trying to get into the senate right they were banging on the doors yep oh here it comes and that and i mean obviously the kavanaugh appointment was huge and it was historic it was important but it's it's it pales in comparison i mean it's not even close like this is we've never had something like this in terms of a supreme court appointment and so yeah i think everything's out the window and on top of that you've got all of these people be they political or otherwise who have been cooped up for six seven eight months oh man all they want to do

is get out of the house are we in a simulation you know yeah we were talking about this too i'm half kidding i'm only half kidding it's heavy-handed if it is it's too much what did you say the writers of 2020 were bold to put this right before the election? It's like you got to reign in the audience a little bit more. We've got the election coming up. We're not even into December. And if you're going to throw something that big out, already knowing you've got a planned election coming up in one of your episodes in the future, the writers are ham-fisted at this point. No, I kind of feel like it's Game of Thrones early season worthy.

Where you're watching and all of a sudden you're like, no way, they just killed. How did they kill that? The Red Wedding. Yeah, the Red Wedding. They killed everyone. This is our Red Wedding. Well, the Democrats are saying that. Oh, God, seriously.

But at least you can put the book down. You can turn the TV off. This is life. I mean, I'm going to go back to my apartment in D.C. And it's going to be protests. It's going to be cordoned off city streets. You know, and I really want to stress, I know there's a lot of partisan people.

NPR says it's going to get nasty. I have tremendous respect for Ruth Bader Ginsburg, man. I really do. She battled that cancer like one of the strongest people I've ever seen suffering from the you know the illness and she kept she kept winning and she and she she she uh she uh withstood it for as long as she possibly could and it was impressive it was remarkably impressive and i think she had pneumonia too yeah at some point yeah she was hospitalized i think once maybe a couple times i was impressed with the sheer willpower and as much as like you mentioned you

know look we don't have to agree with her politically. In fact, we can very much disagree and be worried about her politics. But I think, you know can be, you know, sad to see her go and prayers and respect to her family and all that while still being like, OK, you know, without reveling in that, you know, we're looking to the future and what's going to come next. And already we're seeing a lot of photos popping up of who comes next. Yeah. So first and foremost, let me see. We have this photo right here from Cassandra Fairbanks tweeted just this photo. And we all know what it is. It's Amy Coney Barrett. So I believe Trump will appoint her. We can also see this. Take a look right here. Trending politics. Two point six nine million tweets. No, no, no. We got to be we got to be careful because we are going to have a lot of laughter going on here at the expense of many of the people on the left yes and i i want to you know just say

it's like you know it's not at the expense of ruth bader ginsburg in any capacity but uh seeing the reaction now nearly what 2.7 million tweets of no no no what did you just say it was like it's like hillary caroley clinton election and all over yeah it's it's going to be that times a thousand right it's it's going to be the i'm sure you all remember that image of the individual wailing at the sky right yeah that was the inauguration i think it was yeah yeah or was it i i thought it was when they called the election was it but i could be wrong i could be wrong too but but it's it's going to be that and i mean you know we we were talking before like it's it feels almost a little bit crass to have to dive into what the political implications of this are. But the political implications are enormous. You can't escape them, especially with especially with what, 46 days to the election.

Who did who did Trump? Trump chose a handful of people for his new list. And he included I know he chose Tom Cotton because I'm going to mention his quote in a second. Yeah. But you know who some of the other picks were? Yeah. So Comey Barrett, I think, was on the list. Mike Lee from Utah, I believe, was on the list. There's one other senator, I think, as well. Wasn't it Cruz? It was.

Yeah. It was Ted Cruz, who, like, in his own respect, is a pretty impressive constitutional law scholar by all indications. And so, like, these are, it's complicated because they're political, right? But they're people with serious, at least legal bona fides, if not judicial bona fides. And then there were a number of other people on there who I think are circuit court judges.

And then there were a few, I think there was a big push among a lot of conservative legal advocates who were fighting for Clarence Thomas clerks, right? People like there was a big push after, especially after, you know, Gorsuch I think had made a couple of decisions that folks didn't like. Kavanaugh's made a couple of decisions people didn't like. And so there's been a big push after, especially after, you know, Gorsuch, I think, had made a couple of decisions that folks didn't like. Kavanaugh's made a couple decisions people didn't like.

And so there's been a big push by a lot of a lot of the legal talking heads in D.C. to say, you know what? The only one we can trust is Clarence Thomas. And the only people we should be putting on this list is our people who have clerked for him. So a lot of people think he's going to choose Amy Coney Barrett. And I think I would I would have to say so. Now, before we get into it, we can actually pull up some information about her because, again, people think it will be her. He selected one of the people on his short list was Tom Cotton. And then he and then we saw,

I think some of these other people said, I appreciate it. I have no interest in leaving the Senate. Josh, Josh, Holly. Yeah. And and Ted and Tom Cotton said that what does he say? The days of Roe v. Wade are numbered. Yeah, exactly.. What does he say? The days of Roe v. Wade are numbered. Yeah, exactly. He's like, well, the days of Roe v. Wade should be over. And I would be. He also said I would be honored to serve my country. And he's like, as someone who has served their country for a long time, I'd be honored to serve my country in any capacity.

If he's got it, he's got it. If Trump picks Tom Cotton after Tom Cotton said that it is going to be war in D.C. Like you, you, you. I i'm i we've talked about conflict before we've talked about civil unrest but tom cotton straight up said it days of roe v wade are numbered or something to that effect yeah if if trump says yeah tom cotton and they and they say he's moving forward and they set up a senate confirmation within a month of the election it is going to be... It's impossible to overstate what that would look like.

I know. I don't even... I'm scared to say what I think it would result in. And don't forget, Tom Cotton is persona non grata enough to the left that when he wrote an op-ed voicing an opinion that is shared by almost 60% of Americans, you had the guy who runs the op-ed page resign, and you had a... Staff revolt. Yeah and you had a staff revolt. Yeah,

you had a staff revolt, not just at the New York Times, but everywhere. There were other people who backed him up who lost their jobs, right? It rolled journalism in an insane way. That was over an op-ed. Take a look at this from the Hill. Tom Cotton, after Trump names him potential Supreme Court nominee, quote, it's time for Roe v. Wade to go 100. I'm estimating, but it's 100. I'm rounding up 110,000 shares on the Hill from September 9th. I got to say, man, when you make a joke about this, the 2020 season writers, you mean to tell me that Donald Trump put out a list a week ago where the guy said Roe v. Wade's out. Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies a week later. If he picks this dude and the supreme court

is split four to four with with robert signing with the liberals against trump and there's no clear winner and no way to resolve this yeah this is an existential crisis for this country man and this is an existential crisis if everything goes well between now and then right i think one of the things that unfortunately we've we haven't always done a great job of in 2020 is recognizing that it always gets worse right it only like it only gets worse and, unfortunately, we haven't always done a great job of in 2020 is recognizing that it always gets worse. It only gets worse and deeper in ways we don't understand or expect. What if coronavirus comes back worse in the fall and winter? What if flu season makes it worse?

There's so much. Dude, the aliens are coming. The ship's going to land in a week, and we're going to be like, thank you. As a D.C. resident, if Tom Cotton, and don't be wrong, I love Tom Cotton. Huge Tom Cotton fan. I've been boosting him for a long time. If he gets nominated to the Supreme Court and the protests start, I think I'm rooting for aliens to show up. I think that would probably make my day-to-day life a lot easier.

Let me tell you, dude, a while ago, or beginning of the year, I started looking at properties far away from cities. And I found one, and it was was very very difficult to set up and buy and we're officially set up uh as soon as we wrap up this show we're hopping in a car driving for several hours and i'm gonna wake up at the new facility we're gonna start setting up the new studio because i do not want to be anywhere near these cities and after look we can talk about antifa we can talk about the proud boys and i lived in new york people were planting bombs like there was just crazy people so i wanted to get away from these cities as the political

tensions flared up but this is the sharpest spike in emotional shock we have seen in the entire year yeah like everybody knew it was coming it was a it was a time bomb and now it's dropped and it dropped a week after tom cotton said it's insane wow. I'm telling you, if you were writing 2020 as a show and all you were trying to do is freak your show watchers out, that's what you do. I mean, I don't know what you would do different. And one of the other problems of the two is it comes at a time when people are already emotionally frayed. Everyone is burnt out. Everyone is worn down. They're worn down by politics.

They're worn down by coronavirus. They're worn down by the lockdown and everything else swirling around it. And and now you throw this into the mix i gotta say i'm kind of freaking out man yeah me too this is this was like so uh for those that are listening we we're sitting here i had like a gatorade and we were like making jokes and i was like i think we're gonna talk about you know there's this thing with joe rogan that's really interesting and then all of a sudden i see the tweet breaking it was what here's what you did so you opened up twitter and you're like all right so what are we going to talk about and you were like oh i felt like it was the car no i think i said oh my god oh my god oh my god i put my hands on my head and i was like oh my god and

and then and then lydia's like what what happened and i was like ruth ruth bader ginsburg died and i was like oh this is my god this is crazy and you started it by saying what's the biggest story of the day and we literally we're like we're like kicking around our heads you're like i don't know man i mean this rogan thing's big like there's there's a few other things going on i think i oh is it chris rock said something like that that was the kind of news you were kicking around as i get chris rock says this is a big it's a big news and you yeah hands on the head. And you were like, I was I was like a former OC actress from that TV show. Yeah.

I'm in support of Trump. Right. That was it. Yeah. And I was like, we're gonna have a fun conversation about like walk away and like never Trump or and stuff. And but here, check this out. This is what's this is what's happened.

So over on Twitter, we have the trending tab. Number one is rip Ruth Bader Ginsburg with with absolute respect. Number two is Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Nearly 500,000 tweets, followed by Supreme Court. McConnell. Notorious RBG. Rest in power. Rest in peace, RBG.

Not RBG. Rip RBG. Rip Ruth. Kavanaugh. And then Puerto Rico, which is still big news. And then it goes to Rosh Hashanah and a bunch of other things. But then it goes back to Murkowski. Anyway, the point is, look, Tom Cotton's trending.

Roe v. Wade is trending. No, no, no. With now nearly 3 Tom Cotton's trending. Roe v. Wade is trending. No, no, no. With now nearly three million tweets is trending. Amy Coney Barrett trending. Moscow Mitch. RB. The entire trending tab.

29 trends. Save for like four things. Well, first of all, it's all politics except for Rosh Hashanah. And then everything else is political puerto rico is not related to supreme court so it's like 27 of 30 trends are all the supreme court this is the most uh significant political development of the year i'd say right it it has to be and think about how insane that is of trump's yeah think about how insane that is that this that that we up until 45 minutes ago we had not seen the most insane political story we're

going to see this year yeah that's funny to me because we were just kind of lamenting how crazy this year had been yeah oh my gosh this lockdown this crazy stuff if i could go back in time and tell myself you know coronaviruses it is what it is i mean we had no idea the great the great triggering is upon us yeah the no no no, no, no Twitter trend. Three million people saying no, no, no. And they're posting memes of like, you know, a guy wincing wearing a Trump hat like, oh, no, Trump's going to do it. He's going to nominate somebody. Of course he is. But he has he has to. Yes. And that's the thing, too, is I think if if it were more normal times, right, and potentially with a more normal president, I think what we would all be saying, right, left, center, is, oh, God, we can't go into this election without a full Supreme Court. We have to have an odd number of people to make whatever decisions come up.

We have 50 different state elections that could all potentially go to the Supreme Court. We can't do that short-staffed. Well, we're worried the election will go to the Supreme Court, right? We're worried that Atlanta went to the Supreme Court. It could go to the House. OK, OK. So there's a there's a bunch of theories about how the election will go down. I just and a lot of a lot of people think that it's going to end up in the courts with

lawsuits about various elections. And that will ultimately lead to the Supreme Court and will have to go fast because there's a deadline. So at least according to one of the sources I was reading on potentials, they say the deadline, I think, is like December 14th. I'm'm not entirely sure but that's when the electoral vote uh the electoral college votes have to be tallied okay and that's when they decide you know the supreme court will have to intervene or you know or not so i imagine they will if we do not have a full court and it could potentially go four four then this country is going to face the worst crisis it's faced in 100-plus years.

Yeah, and even if everything goes well, it could be a unanimous court, and it would still be a crisis, right? And I think one of the important things to keep in mind for the election is it really is 50 different simultaneous elections that go on simultaneously under their own different set of rules, right? We're talking about Pennsylvania throwing out the signature verification. So you have all of these different kind of minute factors of the law that are all legal challenges that could all get fast-tracked and so the just the number of cases that could spin out the amount

of energy that would have to go into this is enormous what if what if we come out of election day we're three or four days post and we don't know because of mailing irregularities or whatever it is we don't know who won florida we don't know who won Pennsylvania. And I don't know. We don't know who won Wisconsin. Could that be? So when we've talked about civil war and I got to preface this by saying, I know there's a lot of people who are like they roll their eyes when it's brought up, but I'm not the one who I didn't come up with this idea. I was reading a national security article from, I think, The Atlantic talking about the violence in the streets, the escalation of tensions following Donald Trump's victory, and the potential for civil war. And this was several years ago. They said that it looked like there was like a 35%

chance we would go down that route. A lot of people I talked to said there's no dividing line. Like the American Civil War was the North and the South. We knew where people were. And I said, but that's not a traditional civil war like we've seen with other countries around the world, where there's pockets that are civil war like we've seen with other countries around the world, where there's pockets that are in alignment and then they like move around and then slowly try and take over one city or where they just wage a war on the Capitol

until they win control of the centralized government. I wonder if that scenario you just brought up would be that state dividing line because we have a lot of swing states that have, I shouldn't say a lot, but there's a couple where they have a democratic governor but a republican legislature right so i think wisconsin pennsylvania and uh no no not michigan it's michigan and wisconsin i think yeah so i wonder what happens if there's these democratic governors who will say something like imagine this i keep seeing the left say many many progressives that we need to make sure we have

maximum voter turnout for joe biden the only problem is they all live in blue states they all live in deep blue states right and hyper like heavily concentrated in cities so a lot of people did move because of of covid but i don't think they moved that far yeah they probably went to their parents house in the suburbs or something like that. Right. If they all come out and vote, so what? New York, which was already going to give its electoral votes, has a higher, you know, popular vote count. Yeah. So what? However, what happens when Joe Biden loses the electoral college but wins the popular vote by 10 points?

Yeah. Then you're going to see these Democrat governors in the swing states be like, well, we did vote for, you know, Trump in our state, but the popular vote of the country is more, you know, more important because the swing is too high. Right. You'll end up with some people saying, we know Trump won the Electoral College, but this is too big of a popular vote swing. We will not be ruled by a minority.

Right. And then the Republicans and Trump are going to say, these are the rules and this is what we all agreed to. And then all of a sudden are going to say, these are the rules. These are the rules. Yep. And this is what we all agreed to. And then all of a sudden you have some kind of civil war. But I think so. Two thoughts come to me. The first is I think the response from the left will be, yeah, well, we agreed to these rules hundreds of years ago when there was still slavery. Right. That's always the pushback on the Electoral College. And there's there's a side of me that's like, OK, like I get it.

Like we have a living, breathing constitutional document. It's meant to change all that kind of stuff. But there's a lot of things you have to okay like i like i get it like we have a living breathing constitutional document it's meant to change all that kind of stuff but there's a lot of things you have to go through to change things in this country and i think on the whole that's probably for the best electoral college included but getting back to your your civil war model i also i read something the other day that was really really interesting that looked at it that talked about it less as a traditional civil war even in the sense of two standing armies even if it's not north south but like even look at a place like libya right that kind of devolves into a sort of civil war and a lot more like the troubles in ireland right and so it could look a lot more like you have kind of pockets of sectarian violence where you have it's not even one city against another it's you got 60 of one city maybe

that's loyal to a cause and 40 the other way and so you start having unfortunately what it ends up looking like is a lot like portland with more people dead and live ammo i remember uh i i went to um northern ireland uh what's the uh what's what's the city in uh in northern ireland you know fast belfast yeah yes i was in belfast and i went to the peace wall there oh you went to did you go to the peace wall i did yeah all right so this is really important for everyone that's listening on one side of the peace wall there was like pro-israel stuff on the other side there was pro-palestine and i was confused by this and i asked one of the locals what does this have to do with with with ireland and he said nothing yeah it was literally tribalism if one side said one thing

the other side said the opposite yeah we are seeing that. It's Matt Taibbi called it. There's something akin to this that Matt Taibbi coined the hydroxychloroquine effect. Yes, right. You read that article. Yes. Oh, I love it. So right, right. He's a liberal guy.

Yeah. And he wrote basically that, you know, look, Trump sees these studies that were being performed in many different modernized nations. Yeah. He then goes up on the podium and starts, you know, saying, oh, this is really, really great. I saw this thing. We should try it out.

The media then ran as fast they could to write stories claiming it was bad and not to do it. And he said, you're in a pandemic and you're discounting a potential treatment that other countries, that's ridiculous. And right off the bat, too, two threads I'll tell you I actually have about the hydroxychloroquine effect. And it's right. I mean, there was nothing about it that was science.

And what ended up happening was all they had to do was cherry pick doctors who have a doctor before their name throw them on cnn and then they run the coverage of trump and like let's be honest too trump is not a medical expert and so he goes when he goes up there and talks about it it's typical trump speech trying to explain something very complicated and then all of these doctors who probably are sound and look a lot more articulate on the ways of medicine get up there and say, no, he's crazy. But they're cherry picking. They're just finding guys who believe a certain thing that doesn't necessarily fit any of the evidence. And there were some really bad doctors who came out in agreement with Trump that made him look really bad.

Very good point. However, you also had Dr. I think it was Harvey Risch, MD, PhD from Yale, saying the most important thing whenever we talk about this, too, because YouTube likes to strike down anybody brings it up, is that it's it's not a cure. But this PhD MD from Yale was saying it does help and we need to start looking into what we can do to help people. But it's not a cure for sure. So anyway, I bring it up in context of Northern Ireland because there was like like, I think somebody, somebody in Northern Ireland claimed they were a lost tribe of Israel and they were like literally Irish people. Yeah. Interesting. This is what I was being told by some of the locals that you'll look on one side and it's the revolution fist. It's pro-communist. It's pro-left. The other side was pro-right wing,

pro-empire, pro-imperialism. Yeah. And it was literally just your side, bad, our side, good. Interesting. And I think that's where we are. Yeah. don't i here's what here's what i actually i think when it comes to the u.s and the and the kind of the conflict we've seen from the left and the right the right has become a big tent of people who are rational and reasonable and willing to have a conversation and don't just believe that whatever you know one person says it you know that we must say the other thing but if you look like when i look Trump, I say there's a lot of things I can easily criticize. There's a lot of things I think that are good.

You know, hey, it is what it is. The left just says literally everything he does is bad. Right. The peace agreements. Oh, they're actually bad. They undermine Palestine. How dare he? Yeah.

It looks like we're headed in that in that similar direction to what divided at least what I saw from, you know, look, it's like I have a history degree in Northern Ireland or anything. Fair. And I think I think one of the big things within that, too, is you end up with a situation where it's not just that one side has decided that whatever the other side is doing is bad is you have one side who's in power, right? Donald Trump.

And you have the other side who's controlling the narrative and the media. Right. And so if they're going to sit back and say whatever the government of the United States does is bad, right? In a way that can only be described as propaganda, then you're of course, you're going to inflame tensions, of course, you're going to piss people off. And at the end of the day, anyone who agrees with Trump is going to sit back and say, why am I being lied to? So what do you think happens when Trump then selects his Supreme Court nominee, the media is going to magically create every every possible you name it they're gonna accuse this person of murder

they're gonna be like they they kidnapped a puppy and threw it into you know if a bridge it's gonna be insanity yep but this is why i think trump has to pick amy coney barrett correct if they choose a man it's gonna be me too it's gonna be like right kavanaugh all over again times a thousand yeah times a thousand a thousand and with a thousand times the energy behind it to dig up anything that could be wrong or unsavory or whatever it is they're gonna make it up and that's the thing when all else fails you know that they will so what can they make up so so here's here's what i've got pulled up i got wikipedia pulled up of amy coney barrett and uh there's really important context here they say amy coney barrett is a united states Circuit, United States Circuit judge

of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Barrett is the first and only woman to occupy an Indiana seat on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Described as an originalist and textualist, Barrett's judicial philosophy has been likened to that of her late mentor and former boss, Justice Antonin Scalia. Barrett's scholarship focused on originalism, statutory interpretation, and I can't pronounce it. Stare decisis. Stare decisis. Let the decision stand. Interesting. So what does that mean? Like you don't repeal or reverse other standings? Right. It's that you tend to side with settled case law or previous court decisions. So the question I guess I would ask, if that's true, do you think she wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade?

Or would she? It's interesting. She was asked about this. I don't know if it's a confirmation hearing or what, but she's been asked throughout the years whether or not she believes in Roe v. Wade, whether or not it's settled law. I think she probably doesn't. I think you think she won't reverse it. I don't think she will reverse Roe v. Wade.

To be honest with you, I get what Tom Cotton's saying, and Tom Cotton's an elected official, so I think it's a lot easier for him to say that it needs to be overturned. I think it would be enormously difficult. I think you would probably need a couple more conservative justices to actually overturn Roe v. Wade. I don't buy it. It's something that the conservative movement has fought for for a long time and done a really good job of fighting for,

and I think it's animated the conservative movement for a really long time, but I don't think it changes. But to answer your earlier question, I think i have a pretty good idea of what's going to come out about coney oh yeah i think i know so she she's catholic she teaches at notre dame um and they're going to paint her and they did this the last time i think she was confirmed they're going to paint her as a religious zealot oh yeah they're gonna i i think she i it might have been her might have been someone i'm confusing her with but um she she has membership in different catholic organizations i think opi, maybe a couple of the others.

You'll remember Opus Dei if you've seen the Da Vinci Code. That's not actually Opus Dei. They just use the name. So she's not like hiding secret paintings. No, exactly. Exactly. That'd be cool, though. It would be cool if it was the case, but no.

To the best of my knowledge, she doesn't have any interesting secrets, doesn't drink the blood from the skull of St. Peter or anything like that. But she's a conservative Catholic woman. Pro-gun. Yeah. But also like deeply, not fundamentalist, but fundamentally in her bearing and in her being religious.

That's what it's going to be. It's going to be a culture war about religion. So I can see it already because Dianne Feinstein, this is the lady to whom she was saying the dogma lives loudly. This is dogma lives loudly. Thank you.

I was like, yeah, okay. I remember this now. This is dogma lives loudly. Thank you. I was like, yeah, OK, I remember this. This is dogma lives loudly. I can preview it through the Kavanaugh thing. I'm not going to go through her entire wiki that points out several interesting things, but I will note that right away they say she's rankly dissent in favor of gun ownership rights, but also Fourth Amendment. Interestingly, the first thing they bring up is Barrett wrote the opinion in a case

denying summary judgment and qualified immunity to a police detective who knowingly provided false and misleading information in an affidavit. Interesting. The plaintiff, Rainsberger, was arrested for his own mother's murder based upon the defendant's falsified records used to secure a warrant for the plaintiff's arrest. The court found the defendant's lies and omissions were material to probably cause a clear violation of the plaintiff's Fourth Amendment rights to which the defendant is not eligible for qualified immunity. So legally is a little bit there, but does that – she's not – she actually was against qualified immunity for a cop? Is that what it says? Sort of.

So if I'm reading it right, it's that. You have a lot of courts who have a pretty expansive interpretation of what qualified immunity is and what it means. And so if I'm reading that correctly, again, I don't have a law degree, so I don't want to mislead any of your viewers. But my understanding is that she struck down qualified immunity because of a direct violation of enunciated protection. Right, right, right. The Constitution, which not all courts do. Right. I think, unfortunately, it's it's with. Can you can you can you give quick context on qualified immunity?

Yeah, so qualified immunity is, for certain people, in most cases, it comes up around police officers, is that because of the responsibilities of their job or something that they do, it's a higher burden of proof to be able to hold them legally accountable. And so if you get killed by a police officer, it is very, very difficult for your family to then go and sue the government and sue the police bureau so this is something a lot of left-wing activists have been adamant about they want police to lose qualified immunity right so that they get treated like regular people essentially yes right so i i guess that might be favorable for her it's not it's not like it's gonna matter though she's a conservative that's a good point yeah they'll hate her anyway that that point i think is good for the

libertarians that's been a big that's like a like reason i'm sure has a podcast on qualified immunity or whatever it is right that's that's one of their big sticking points um i think i think there's probably enough there on the rest of the wiki for why comey barrett is not going to be someone who's embraced oh with open arms right away rpg fans right away the 2a gun ownership right stuff of course if she's an originalist and textualist i mean but but she it's interesting she's an originalist and textualist but she's not going to reverse you know previous rulings is that like is that what starry decisis i think is yes sorry decisive so it's interesting i think the two are somewhat in tension right you've got something so sorry

decisis is yes you're not overturning previous court decisions i think there is a long legal tradition among originalists um to say that you don't want to like the whole the whole point of originalism particularly as a political manifestation is we shouldn't be legislating from the bench we shouldn't be making laws and making rules and changing things based on the judicial philosophy of individual courts right that's kind of the the crux and the heart of it but what i think a lot of what a lot of originalists and textualists will do is they'll say that doesn't mean that we can't look at cases that were wrongly decided. Right, right. And go back and say this was wrong and we need to change it rather than we're looking at all the same facts and figures and it comes out differently. So, yeah, I think that's about where it nets out.

There is a section for possible supreme court nomination and they say barrett had been included on president donald trump's list of potential supreme court nominees since 2017 almost immediately after her court of appeals confirmation that's wow almost immediately after yeah in july 2018 yeah she's 40 47 i think yeah 40 46 47 uh in july 2018 following the retirement announcement of anthony kennedy she was reportedly one of three finalists and the only woman to be considered by Trump as a possible successor to Kennedy. Trump nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh for the position. Reportedly, although the president liked Barrett, he was concerned about her lack of experience on the bench. At the time, Barrett had been on the bench for less than a year. After Kavanaugh's selection, Barrett was expected to stay in the spotlight as a possible nominee for a future

Supreme Court vacancy. Trump is reportedly saving Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat for Amy Coney Barrett if Ginsburg retires or dies during the Trump presidency. And there it is. Yeah. That's what everyone is expecting to happen. And now she's got the experience on the bench. Yeah, exactly. She's got a little more time on the bench.

Also, interesting. Someone should fact check me on this, but I think this is accurate. I think she would also be the first um the first individual on the supreme court who doesn't have a law degree from an ivy league school really i think it's almost always yale and harvard um she went to notre dame again i could be wrong on this or it could be undergraduate rather than graduate but do they uh university of notre dame yeah so i'm i think i think she would be the first one with a law degree, not from an Ivy League school, who would be on the Supreme Court. Wow, man.

I don't know that that really gets you any blue-collar voters. I mean, I think that's probably like how many angels can dance on the head of the pin in terms of the things that— Yeah, it's a little too in the weeds, but nerdy people like me in D.C. I think probably like that stuff. So what's the immediate reaction now for conservatives? You know, when you see like an Obama victory, they all run out and buy guns. Yeah. If well, Trump hasn't picked anybody yet. So everyone's going to be having knots in their stomachs.

And I don't know. What do you think Trump's going to do? I mean, I think, you know, we were talking about before. I think what Trump is going to do is he's going to rush to get someone on the bench. Yeah. And if it again, under more normal times, he would everyone and their mother would be saying you know what i don't like trump i don't like his i don't like who he's going to nominate for this but it makes sense we're we're heading towards the rocks and we need to have enough people in the supreme court to be able to make

whatever decision comes up but we're not it's in uh uh at the end of obama's last term who was it uh what was it uh, who was it? Who was the Supreme Court? Man, I can't forget the guy's name. They wouldn't confirm him. He sat waiting. Oh, Gorsuch. Not Gorsuch.

Right. I was going to say that. Oh, I can't almost remember his name. I feel bad for the guy. Well, he didn't get chosen. Merrick Garland. Merrick Garland. Garland. Garland.

Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland.

Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Garland. Right. So Mitch McConnell, he said no said no he's like we're not going to confirm him because he's what did he say we're like we're in the last uh year and there is

a divided senate versus the presidency yep and so if if there's a divide then we shouldn't confirm this person let the people decide with the president presidential election right i personally disagree with that and i i'm i'm almost willing to bet that now mitch mcconnell does well actually no no he it's it's right now republican senate republican president we're not divided right and so and this will be a huge talking point at the left right i think people people misconstrue the mcconnell rule as whenever there is a a vacancy that comes up on a supreme court that we have to wait if there's any presidential election coming up you have to wait until that's over when what mcconnell was saying is there are two branch, there are two components of

our government who are in charge of having any say in the decision when it comes to a new Supreme Court justice. It's the president and it's the Senate. Right now, we're not unified. Right. I see what you're saying. So the president will choose someone. The Senate will confirm the person.

Right. I actually totally disagree with that. Okay. You know, in the sense that, like, if the president chooses someone and the Senate disagrees and then doesn't confirm them, that makes sense. The Senate's supposed to be a check on the president, right? Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah. So, well, so if the idea then is, well, we've got a Democrat Senate or we got a Republican Senate, a Democrat president, so we just won't confirm it. I mean, to be honest, that's what would just happen. Wouldn't they just vote it down? Probably. But I think one of the things particularly that we've seen, at least up until Bork, right? So for a really, really long time, there's this expectation for members of the Supreme

Court, I think kind of anecdotally, socially, whatever, that if a president is going to nominate someone to the highest bench in the land, they have to be someone who the entire Senate will agree with. You're going to have overwhelming support for for this person they should be relatively moderate on the issues they should be likable whatever and then bork came in and i bet that that's the getting borked right that's where all that comes from where they didn't give him a fair hearing yeah so they so you know there's a there's a nominee who doesn't get who doesn't get a fair hearing and they're like okay this is it became political right and everyone was was tearing their hair out

because oh no the supreme court has now become political yep um and i think you've seen that on steroids recently and now we're gonna have it times an infinity we're i think dude i i think civil war is not out of the question but in i think what people don't realize is that we're in a new generation of conflict yeah propaganda's huge information war the left controls cultural institutions they try to pretend that they're powerless because they don't realize is that we're in a new generation of conflict yeah propaganda's huge information war the left controls cultural institutions they try to pretend that they're powerless because they don't control the government but trump only has you know he well the supreme court is conservative especially with ruth bader ginsburg's passing he got the senate you've got uh the presidency obviously the house is in control the democrats but they also control the colleges the youth

institutions the celebrities the video games the movies they control the colleges, the youth institutions, the celebrities, the video games, the movies. They control the cultural institutions and politics comes second. Yeah. You know, was it Breitbart who said politics is downstream from culture? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. So if they're, you know, I was talking to somebody about how the NFL and the NBA are all Black Lives Matter right now. Right. And I, you know, I was saying, like, I think it's because the Democrats are trying to force politics to wake, like, shock people so they go vote because they desperately need voter turnout to beat Trump. Yeah. Because Trump's likely going

to win and they probably know it. I think I think Biden's seen his internal polling and that's why he panicked on the riots. That's why he's run out. That's why all of these hit pieces drop. You know where they say Trump called soldiers losers. Yeah's like listen man trump's a lot of things but that one was so insanely over the top yeah like come on man and if and if quote joe biden yeah exactly and if and if it wasn't true like who's gonna come out and speak on the record right we had 21 people who lined up to say it doesn't make any sense that they were there and it didn't happen exactly like i'm sorry if you can't get john bolton to confirm something bad that donald did, I don't buy it. I don't believe it happened.

You're not going to sway me. So just so everybody knows, John Bolton hates Trump. Trump should not have hired the guy. And he wrote a whole book ragging on Trump. And when he got asked, he was like, I don't recall that ever happening. No, that's not true. The story was basically that they were going to go honor the World War I fallen. And Trump said he didn't want to go because they're all losers and suckers but when actually it was a navy pilot i

guess said the visibility was too low and the ceiling was too low for the helicopter it was not safe we couldn't do it so they decided not to do it and trump said sure whatever yeah they turned it into the story where it was actually trump saying the soldiers are losers and that's that's so comic book villain-esque like it's like it's almost the way i described it before was like a 15 year old kid was writing anti-trump fan fiction and then the evil trump said the soldiers are done like dude come on he's the president it's just it's so it's so out there yeah but with uh you know the the level of conflict we saw with kavanaugh the level of conflict we see every day with like like, we liken to Northern Ireland.

Yeah. Oh, man. And that's the thing, too. Don't forget, Kavanaugh was insane. And it was during a period of time before the coronavirus crisis had started. It was before you had the sort of, you didn't have the riots anywhere. You're right. Like, things were, it's insane to say this, but when the Kavanaugh appointment came through,

things were a lot calmer than they are now. It was chill. Everywhere. Dude, earlier this year, we actually did on this show a segment talking about Sonic the Hedgehog. No way. Yeah. The movie came out.

It was great. We had a good time. We all high five. We're like, yo, Sonic the Hedgehog. How fun is that? And then the world exploded. Yeah. Pandemic swept through the country.

Everything was shut down. The economy's tanking. Riots erupt. I don't want to call them race riots, but they were racialized riots. Better way to put it. Yeah. Pandemic swept through the country. Everything was shut down. The economy's tanking. Riots erupt. I don't want to call them race riots, but they were racialized riots. Better way to put it. Yeah, I agree with that. People are burning things down. A lot of them are white people claiming, you know, and there were a lot of black people

who were angry at them for doing it. And it went on for 100 plus days. And everything slowed down. And then mass wildfires hit. Yep. Then several hurricanes hit. Yep. And now Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died.

And again, we're not even to the election. We're not even to episode 11 of the 2020 season. Oh my gosh. If this hadn't happened, if there wasn't a pandemic sweeping the globe, if Ruth Bader Ginsburg were still alive, if there weren't wildfires, 2020 would be horrible. Yes. Everything about the 2020 election would be bad. And now it is going

to be monstrously worse as a result of every single thing that has happened yep well so this is a this is a really good chance to actually jump into one of the original stories we were going to talk about yeah we so so before we got started we were like oh here's a really interesting story this uh actress from the oc you know the orange county show used to be on fox i think has come out she says she's an independent voter, but she's voting for Trump. This is significant, especially in the context of potential conflict we see arising out of, man, we just described apocalyptic scenarios. And just to reiterate real quickly, when all the chaos erupted around Brett Kavanaugh, everything was kind of chill. Sure, you had the negative news cycle. You know, there was the

Trump derangement, hate and all that stuff. But not mass riots, not pandemic. Now we're going to get Brett Kavanaugh times a thousand plus mass riots, pandemic, wildfires and all that stuff. Yeah. So there's a real potential for conflict. But there is, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who told me there's no way Trump will win because he's only lost his supporters. And I said, what have you been reading? My goodness.

No, for real. And I was like, listen, all day, every day for 16 hours, I'm just reading news. I'm just reading news. I'm talking to various people, various guests, various friends. And I have not seen anything to support what you're saying. And she told me, didn't you watch the DNC? Those people who are like, I voted for Trump and now I'm switching. And I was like, haven't you been on Twitter?

Yeah. There's a hashtag walk away. There's Axios. Axios reported that Republicans are closing the gap in new voter registrations in battleground states because Democrats are switching parties, not because they're registering new voters. Democrats are switching or abandoning the Democratic Party going independent. Interesting. Very interesting. So then we see a story like this. new voters. Democrats are switching or abandoning the Democratic Party, going independent. Interesting. Very interesting. So then we see a story like this. This is OC actress Samir Armstrong voices support for Trump, says far left mob has silenced Americans. Quote, I'm voting Trump 2020,

she declares online. This is brave. She could she's she's she's an actress. She could lose her career in Hollywood saying something like this. but i think we're reaching the point where i don't know if you saw the cato institute study on political opinion 62 of people yes this is the one about people not feeling comfortable sharing their opinions right unless you're on the far left exactly and so go ahead i was going to say i mean that's whenever i think about polling right like i the the first thing that comes to my mind is who is going to like if people aren't comfortable telling their friends and family who they're voting for what their political status is right if if they're hiding it that closely you really think they're going to tell a random

pollster no even if they've made up their mind and i think that's that when i think about the people who are going to who are going to say maybe they hold their nose or whatever but they go and vote for them it's those people it's like i i have plenty of friends in the dc area who are like dude i work in a think tank i'm not allowed to be a conservative are you kidding me like that doesn't fly here like and it's it's it's funny because they talk about how it's almost it's a popularly understood setting where like obviously no one's conservative right no one even worries that they might offend someone who's conservative because the expectation so i i have i have people at restaurants do this i'll have servers make comments or bartenders or whatever.

And that's the expectation. Dude, I went to the dentist. I got it. No, this is totally true. This is totally true. This is totally true. So I'm pretty. It has to be. I mean.

We took last night off because I had to get a permanent crown put in. And I tell you, man, they were like. Back already. Not even a DL stint or anything. It's like 20 minutes. It's really interesting because they do all the crazy stuff early. Okay. But the dude was like, we don't normally, you know normally use Novocaine when we're doing a permanent crown.

I got to tell you, man, if you ever have had a sensitive tooth with cold water on it, imagine that being held on it for 30 seconds. Thank you. But anyway, that's a fun story. But I tell it for a reason because the people who are there were like, I've been a lifelong Democrat. I'm voting for Trump. And I'm sitting there going, they're talking above me, like working on my tooth. And they're saying things like the district we're in right now, I think, is Democrat plus eight, according to the political report or whatever. So it's a it's a Democrat congressman.

This is supposed to be a Democrat area. And I'm sitting here talking to this woman and she says that she's been a lifelong Democrat. She doesn't vote Republican, but she is so fed up. The Democrats are so cutthroat. She's sick of the media lies, and they won't shut up. And she's just done with it. And I said, but do you think that people in our area, like we're in a Democrat area. And she said, oh, yeah, these people are so fed up.

I believe it. And then Dennis walks in, and without skipping a beat he's just like man i'll tell you i was watching this one video on youtube and i was like wow man yeah it's anecdotal it is but here's here's the thing and i think it grinds my gears a lot in dc because i think that there's this mentality that all of the like every every democrat i know who talks about the republicans who can't vote for trump what they imagine in their mind's eye is like their brunch companions right it's it's their it's their 28 year old friend who they go to brunch with who shows up in like khakis and a button down and it's like i'm so sick of this can you believe the trade deals i can't stand this right it's like it's some kid who's like an intern at cato right right like those are the types of people who are very visible to a lot of people in media and a

lot of people on the left side of the aisle who are vocally, at least in their universe, these are the staunch Republicans. Like, they had a Reagan Bush shirt. I can't believe that they're going to go and vote for Biden. And the thing that they're not seeing is the far more common other switch, which is a middle aged person out in the suburbs or in the exurbs or whatever it is saying, you know what? I'm sick of this. This is, this is, I can't take it anymore.

I'm sick of it. How bad can take it anymore. I'm sick of it. How bad can this Trump guy be? We're four years in now. The sky still hasn't fallen. Whatever. Pull the lever forward. Actually, you're going to see so much more of that. At the beginning of this year, when we were setting up this show,

I had to buy all this fancy, beautiful furniture you see before you. It's fantastic. And I went to the furniture shop. And the lady who was there, we were just talking, and she asked me, like, wow, you're buying a ton of stuff. She was really excited. It's commission-based. No, wow, you're buying a ton of stuff. He's really excited. It's commission based. No, no, but this is important because I said, look, it's been a really, really great year for me.

And she goes, me too. And I was like, really? I was like, I'm launching a new show and I do politics. And she was like, this has been the best year of my life for making money. And I'm like selling furniture. And she's like, you know it. I had a contractor come out to do groundwork. We built a skate park.

Basically, they just laid concrete. I mean, it's been a great year we've like we're working on a bunch of new shows and i had one of these guys say that he was going to vote for trump because he was sick and tired of the media that was it and i was like i was like is there anything trump i don't know man all i know is like man leave this guy alone yeah and so this was a was a younger dude who was probably like in his mid to late twenties. His whole mentality was like watching someone getting beaten up all day, every day. And finally being like,

dude, enough. Yeah. Like stop. He's already down. And now he's going to support Trump simply because they would not stop. Yeah. Right.

I feel like, you know, I've talked to a lot of people and I see all these hit pieces coming out. Trump says, soldiers are losers. Trump abused this woman. Trump said this about this bob woodward and i'm like do you think at this point repeatedly smacking the american people over the face screaming orange man bad while shaking them will change will make them finally realize exactly that you can't vote for trump 60 minutes they did bob woodward and Scott Pelley. Two journalists interviewing each other about how the orange man is bad.

And I was like, this is what we finally needed. The American people just needed to hear a journalist interview a journalist about how Trump is bad. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, it's I think part of it is there's a lot of journalists and a lot of people who spend too much time in D.C. And they look around and they see people like Nancy Pelosi and they're like, oh, she's one of the good ones. And what's lost on them is most, the overwhelming majority of Americans outside of the Beltway and outside of the Acela Quarter look at all of them and then like throw the whole bunch out.

They're all rotten. I can't stand any of them. And so they come off already sympathetic to someone like Donald Trump, who was a rock through the window, who says, you know what? You don't like these guys. I don't like these guys. They haven't done anything for you. And as long as you can remember, we got to get rid of them.

This is the way I describe it. It's the ivory tower. Yeah. And a bunch of people brought a bull to the front door. And up in the top was Hillary Clinton, the Democrats looking down, laughing and scoffing, sipping their wine. And then the right wing populists let go of the ropes and the bull went boom right through the door.

And they've been screaming for years as the bull rampages around but for the people down below everything's getting better yeah and so they're like let the way i describe it to like my progressive friends i'm like listen man they i that friend i was talking to you about who was telling me that they didn't think trump could win they hate joe biden this my friend she hates joe biden okay she was saying joe biden's awful. They're corporate Democrats. They don't care. They're saying whatever they think people want to hear. And I said, let Trump clear out the ivory tower.

Don't let the establishment back in because they will lock the doors up, double barricade them, and you will never have another chance. Trump is rampaging around and they're panicked, freaking out, falling apart. Joe Biden is crumbling and they're losing control. Trump does four more years and there will be no more Democratic establishment. There will just be the progressive populists and the right wing populists, and then they won't be standing in your way. That's how I feel.

Yeah, I mean, I don't blame I'm trying to I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a progressive activist, too. And it's there. That's the other thing that's not lost on the progressives. Don't get me wrong. I think a lot's lost on them. But one of the things that's not lost on them is that they're kind of corporatist overlords in Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and people who have been in Washington for 40 years. They don't actually care.

They're really good at acting like they care. I think Joe Biden, I think, is someone who's really, really good at expressing. Fine. I won't assume malice here. I think he's really good at showing individual empathy. But I think it's really, really hard to look at his voting record and say, yeah, you know what? This guy cares and has been fighting for everyday Americans.

And I don't know who's been kicking around Washington as long as he has, who you can genuinely look at and say, you know what? That person has done since day one. They've done the hard things. They've fought the fights. They've fought the unpleasant ones. Other than, to be clear, Bernie Sanders, who I can't stand. He's done. He's done it. So the reason why I want to bring up the story from the OC actress is because I watched the video and I don't know if they pull

up the exact quote, but one of the most interesting things she says, if you think that, you know, she basically said, you've got Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, who have been in politics for decades. They created the systemic racism you're complaining about. You can't vote for them and let them stay. You're part of the problem. And that's how I feel about particularly Kamala Harris. Joe Biden, come on, 47 years, the crime bill. He did a bunch of really bad things.

He's been criticized for by a lot of people. Including Kamala Harris. Including Kamala Harris. And it's shocking to me that you have progressives that hate trump more it's like but they're like trump's a fascist at the end of the world i'm like the democrat the corporate establishment types are telling you that because they don't want trump to win trump is a lot of things trump is not a fascist and trump in my opinion if i've often said if you took a person identical to trump and cleaned up the act, they'd win in a landslide. Absolutely. If you took away all of the things that made him Donald Trump, the reality TV show star, right?

The Billy Bush video, the marriages, the divorces, the comments about women, the interview. If you take him being the type of chummy guy who can go on Howard Stern and say some really vile, awful things and put like a little bit of makeup on it, you're right. You're right. I mean, he would run away. It wouldn't be close because there wouldn't be anyone. And like, here, I'm not going to lie to anybody. I was a very never Trump guy in 2016 for mostly all of those reasons, right? I wanted someone with dignity and character and Christian values and respect and whatever whatever and whatever you think of donald trump he's not those things no and if you could just if you could just kind of like take those little pieces and just stick them in here and stick them in there you're right he would be like reagan he'd win but compare him to biden now

yeah i mean and that's that's the thing too like you look at biden and it's he's he walks the walk he talks the talk he He does it well. He's a politician. And it's just that, unfortunately, what's going to happen to him is the same thing that happened with Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is specifically designed. It's like he wasn't made in a lab to appease people like me. He wasn't made in a lab to appease a lot of different voters. But you know what he was made in a lab to do his true superpower is he is a perfect foil for joe biden or hillary clinton or kamala harris or nancy pelosi or anyone who has spent

too much time acting like a politician he's perfectly built for you couldn't ask for anything else and so the idea of the rock through a window makes so much sense i think to millions and millions of americans because they look and they're like you know what fine well-dressed nice talking joe biden fine i'm sure i would like to sit down and have a fireside chat with him but if i want to get something done he's got 47 years hasn't done it there's there's there's so many different things about trump that push him over uh joe biden it's like one way i can describe it is you got sleepy joe and you got bombastic trump but if you're talking about foreign policy defending this country, then you've got the big bully who pushes everyone around and won't shut up or the guy who is very, you know, sleepy.

Yeah. The people who are going to be focused on military strength are going to look at Trump and be like, I would like the bully to work for me. Yeah. If you've got people who want just trade deals and trade arrangements, why would they go for Joe Biden? You know, the Obama administration was pro-Trans-Pacific partnership. Yep. Bernie Sanders was against that. So the populist was pro-trans-Pacific partnership. Yep. Bernie Sanders was against that. So the populist left and right agree on these trade agreements. Yeah.

But when I said compare Trump to Biden now, I'm saying just like across the board, Biden doesn't cut it. He's bottom tier. And it's due to a lot of things. I mean, first of all, Biden's history is really bad. Yeah. The things he's voted for, the things he said and his his past gaffes his lies he's been called out for but now he's also just he needs to retire yeah with all due respect you know joe biden is well past his prime a long time ago yeah and and and seeing some of the the things he tries to say what gets me is how the how the journalists complete sentences for him when he tries giving an idea and then he fumbles and says gibberish they'll actually write a complete sentence yeah and i'm like you can't do that he didn't say that it's insane he didn't say so you you look at donald trump and i look at uh you know

joe biden negotiating with many of the progressives and he's not giving them everything they want right but he's doing enough while also i think you know the town hall the other day he was trying to throwing throwing him under the bus showing that it was a it was a the whole thing was a lie. Right. Basically, he was like, we're pro these progressive things we're going to fight for with Bernie Sanders and then came out and said, no, screw all that. We're here for Pennsylvania.

And we're going to get exactly what they want. And he does this, too. So one of the one of the more interesting ones, I think, lately has been fracking. So exactly. So Biden has flipped, I think, four times now in the last couple of weeks about fracking. And so originally his position was he was pro-fracking. He understands it's important. You're in a place like Pennsylvania.

This is important jobs. It's low-cost energy. There's a lot of different benefits to it. One. Two, then he got asked by the progressives. And they were like, he's like, oh, well, no, there's no place. There's no place for fossil fuels. He was asked in an interview.

And then a journalist clarified. Somebody asked him a follow-up question. Like, well, no, there's no place. There's no place for fossil fuels. He was asked an interview. And then a journalist clarified. Somebody asked him a follow-up question. Like, well, what does that mean for fracking? And he's like, we won't have that in a Biden administration. And then he came back. He walked it back again and said, oh, no, no. Like, he was speaking in Pennsylvania or something. And so he's got to.

And the thing is, the journalists give him cover. Every time. Every time. There's no pull at a fact. There's no four Pinocchios for these sorts of things. They're bald-faced, obvious lies that none of the people whose most important job to the American people, which is to call out lies, all of a sudden lose interest in. Yeah. And I think about all the people who are watching YouTube.

When I was talking to those dentists, well, I shouldn't say I was talking. I was going, all right. Getting dental work done. It was like Biden talking. But these are people talking about the YouTube videos they watched and that's why they go after youtube that's why they're pro-censorship yeah you know it's really crazy a lot of people have been getting knocked off youtube and various social media platforms in the past uh several couple weeks it's been intense and this is something we all predicted if you thought 2018

was bad wait until the presidential election they have to get rid of every single conservative, every single right wing pro Trump. And I'm surprised I'm still here, to be honest. Although we got a cat. He's going to steal your water. That's OK. I hope you don't share water. We can share water. But but yeah, I noticed that most of the people I talk to that have flipped for Trump. Yeah. They're people who tell me they started to do their own research. Every single story I hear from someone who walked away from the Democratic Party. Yeah. It's very simple. They said, I heard all of these things, I believed them, and then one day I decided to do my own research. And then I watched, you know, a lot of people are like, I watched one Trump speech and then realized, hey, wait a minute. Everything they said was a lie. Yeah. And these things slowly unravel too. So I think one of the one of the big moments was um it was the steel

dossier right and so i remember like you when it first came out everyone was in uniform agreement you got this dirty dossier like oh trump's finished there's all these problems blah blah blah blah and i bought it i looked at it i was like oh wow like mi5 guy like he's he's well respected whatever i'm sure he's great fine and i i bought it. And I remember I peeled back one day because it was when the story came out that someone had alleged that Trump had been a Russian asset since 1987. I was like, all right, this is my moment.

I was like, hands up. I can't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No way. I'll believe a lot of things that may not make a lot of sense, but this is not one of those such things. And I think you did.

You have a lot of people who are asking a lot of questions. I think there's a lot of things that may not make a lot of sense, but this is not one of those such things. And I think you did. You have a lot of people who are asking a lot of questions. I think there's a lot of good work on the right of people who are submitting FOIA requests and who are asking the right questions. And so because of that, you do start to have people who get this information that filters through and starts to break through the lockdown that you have that is mainstream media. When I was talking to my progressive friend uh she was giving me all of the mainstream media talking points that were devoid of any fact or reason yeah and we had a good conversation i consider to be a good friend it was really amazing to me actually that she could believe a lot of things she did supporting critical race theory disagreeing with trump defending some of the things said by a lot of these far leftists and we had we had a discussion and argument about it but one you know she said a couple things like for one she said kyle

rittenhouse is a white supremacist who traveled across state lines to hunt down peaceful protesters and i was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and so i think if you're coming from politics from this point of view based upon the mainstream media's lies and i say mainstream media it's really hard to break down it's political operatives who say mainstream media, it's really hard to break down. It's political operatives who work within media. Good point. Because I still use

the New York Times for sourcing in many different instances. He really wants your water. I know. He's very committed. I'll put it here so he can have some.

He can't get to it. Oh, yeah. That's why he's not going to get in there. But yeah, I mean, I hear you. And like, I agree. And don't forget,

for Rittenhouse, it wasn't just your progressive friend. Like, Ayanna Pressley said that, right? And so I think it is very, very easy. I agree. And don't forget, for Rittenhouse, it wasn't just your progressive friend. Like, Ayanna Pressley said that, right? And so I think it is very, very easy. I know. He's going to knock it over.

It can be really easy. You repeat something even devoid of any facts or meaning. You repeat it until it becomes true for all intents and purposes, right? And so if you keep repeating the idea that the Steele dossier is credible or you keep repeating over and over again that Rittenhouse is a white supremacist all you have to do is say it enough times and eventually you get there I can't stop laughing because he's just jamming his face in the jar and it's just it's just not quite gonna fit this is why we let him on the show because he's he's the comic relief for all the despair and violence and use that today I mean seriously seriously no I did think about a lot of people are like you know it's always news is always such a downer it's always so negative no no no he'll knock it over you just yeah he'll just just give

him a little just don't let him spill it so uh anyway to clarify my point in the mainstream media you know like i was saying there's a lot of sources that i still use but you have to be very careful you got to fact check it but if you start your your political journey specifically from i read a story that said Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist. Well, then you're going to agree with critical race theory. Right. So one of the things she said to me was, don't you realize that there's like a very serious

problem with police targeting minority communities? And I said, let me ask you a question. And I'll ask you this question. Do you know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed last year? Is it eight? Thirteen. Ah, okay. And then I said, do you know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed last year is it eight thirteen ah okay and then i said do you know how many police interactions there were right my understanding is there was 330 375 million so out of all of those interactions 13 unarmed people dead i will tell you this those are individual cases that need to be explored to make sure there was no wrongdoing because a loss of life is one of the most egregious violations of civil liberties and civil rights but it doesn't

sound to me like there is this massive widespread problem right or like i think it was it was lebron james was the one who had the great quote where he said it's open season on black men in america right and there's this narrative of you know not only is there it's open season on black men in america and police and white people can kill black people without consequence and without issue that's just not true right there's no there's no reading of the literature that can make that something a point that can be justified and stand on its own like it's an absurd thing it's a conspiracy theory but beyond it gets it just gets repeated so many times that people like oh yeah like there of course there are because the numbers don't matter. You know, and

one of the things I like to bring up all the time, even though it feels fruitless, like pointless, is that they complain all day and night about QAnon, and you know, Alex Jones, he gets banned from the internet, all of these things, yet they screech. So you're referring to Jonathan Chait on MSNBC when he said, Chris Hayes,

the famous Chris Hayes, millions of followers, has a guy in his show who says, now this we can't prove this, but Donald Trump may have been a Russian asset since the 1980s. And I just started laughing. I'm like, you really believe this stuff? Listen, man. And the moon could be made of cheese.

Yes, exactly. Like, OK, listen, could Donald Trump be a Russian as it? Yes, he could. It is in the realm of reality. Unlike the moon being made of cheese. I'll give him that one. Fine. But to start from like to in order to get that far, I got to tell you, man, 9-11 is an inside job.

Sounds much more plausible than Donald Trump secretly working as a Russian agent to subvert America. Right. And having it succeed. Right. Like the premise of what Jonathan Shade is saying is that we live live in a universe where for the last what is that 33 years the russians the soviets the soviets whose entire country then disbanded and they kept this act up and they managed to they managed to move along this mensurian candidate through the new york city celebrity scene and then eventually run him for president and have him win win the presidency

almost 30 like 40 years later like do these people hear themselves even a little bit like it's it's so far beyond the realm of possibility that and and here and if you want to make the q anon comparison to the idea that there is a global cabal of people wealthy people particularly liberal donors who are uh raping and assaulting children is a lot more believable i think there's a lot more evidence on the books that that is something that exists than trumping russian now to go to the more extreme elements of some of these conspiracies about like the satanist and like weird occult stuff it it does get into the into the crazy realm if for sure but look we've got a dude who had an island and uh he had a lot of friends and

a lot of high places who traveled to that island and we know about this we have witness testimony a witness claimed bill clinton had visited the island so there actually is court documents and witness testimony saying hey this stuff might be happening now of course you might get conspiracy theorists who take that and turn it into this ridiculous and more extreme conspiracy about you know superhero trump fighting an evil globalist cabal or whatever yes yes with tiny breadcrumbs it's like it's like i robot right yeah tiny little breadcrumbs that lead you to the conclusion and only if you're paying close attention but but it is uh you are correct it is absolutely correct to say that the russia gate conspiracy stuff is a full order of magnitude more insane yeah and it's still to adam schiff just tweeted

we got a new whistleblower complaint about russian interference and blah blah blah and it's like here we go again yeah it's it's non-stop with these people about the conspiracy theories they they they make things up they push them with impunity right because they control the media and everyone just reacts to whatever the media says and what i I mean by the media, I just mean high profile news organizations like the New York Times. You know, Tom Cotton writes an op ed saying send in the troops. They write multiple apologies. Then there's a staff revolt.

Then the guy resigns. The editor resigns. Do you see the thing about Newsweek where this professor wrote that Kamala Harris might not be eligible for the office? I did see that, yeah. And then Newsweek issued, I think, like seven apologies. I believe that. I totally believe that.

Yeah, they pulled down real quick. They were like, editor's note. We did not mean to imply. Editor's note again. We really feel editor's note again. Editor's note again. And then finally they did a whole new write-up explaining the conversation because they got attacked by leftist activists. This is something I was talking about. I had a really long conversation with my friend the other day it was really

interesting and i said i think what we're seeing is the leftward lurch is an is is uh it's got too much momentum yeah effectively what happened is it's it's something i described before we have tribalism which means that the the political factions are divided to a point where it's nonsensical yep now for the most part i think whatever side we're on i'm i'm a pretty liberal individual like like old school liberal whatever the left is something entirely tribalistic and nonsensical so i'm sure you and i disagree on a lot of things yeah but we get along just fine talking politics even if we disagree right so that's so i don't want to claim that the tribalism is equally bad.

I don't think it is. But the left is now adhering to... I kind of lost my train of thought because I started getting into the whole right... What were you talking about before this? Conspiracy theories. The ones on the left. No, I think I lost my train of thought.

I had a really good point. It just slipped out of me. There, it's gone. It's it. It's over. Sorry, everybody. it was going to be the most profound epiphany ever it was going to change the world and save everyone and then that was it and i got to be honest with you not a good time to lose that epiphany this is gone this is kind of a great moment to have an epiphany yeah but pre-epiphany i think you made a really good point when you talked about the fact that people on the left can push conspiracy theories and other just really bad ideas with impunity um and i think i think it's true and it's accurate and it's fair to say that we have a crisis in this country of, call it fake news, call it whatever you want, but of disinformation.

Of people believing facts that just aren't so and an inability for our current systems to keep up with those facts that aren't true. I remember the epiphany. Oh, good. Yeah, it was the leftward lurch. That's what I was talking about. And so what I was saying is, because the left isn't talking about policy so much as whatever you say we disagree with, it's turned into this weird thing where the media and our cultural institutions always side with the left. Yeah.

There was a study a few years ago I covered where they mapped out Twitter and they found that brand marketing existed overlapping with the resistance, the anti-Trump resistance on Twitter. Yeah. Probably because the same people who work in marketing live in the same areas and are friends with the same people who work in journalism. So when they see their friends tweet something like Orange Man Bad, they think, I know, let's put on an ad campaign for our soda company called Orange Man Bad.

Or the soda company goes to them and say, what sells Orange Man Bad? bad right that's why you end up with rainbow logos for every single company and i think what february is yeah not february uh april that sounds right i'm sorry i don't remember which month i don't mean that to be disrespectful but that's i just don't remember maybe it's june actually that uh all the rainbow logos appear because all the brands agree on the same thing right if you come out and say something negative, you'll be banned. Right. So that's the leftward lurch. The momentum is too strong.

So COVID is a really good example. If you come out and say, there's a really interesting study on COVID, banned. Yeah. But if you come out and say, it's the end of the world. COVID is killing everybody. And we have to lock down forever. You're good. Or how about this?

Donald Trump is personally responsible for 80 to 90% of deaths. So Joe Biden said that. Yeah. And the Washington Post actually said he made that up. It's completely wrong, you know, and I respect them for calling him out. Me too. That's yeah. Good on them.

But is that video going to get taken down? Are they going to be? No, no. Joe Biden. Oh, of course not. That's not going to get taken down. There's not going to be consequences. There's not going to be any cancel culture.

So lost YouTube privileges. Let's put it this way. You have two people standing before the world. One guy on the left, one guy on the right. The guy on the left yells at top of his lungs, COVID is going to kill everybody. Everyone shut down your businesses and hide in your homes. And they go, ah, the guy on the right says, everybody calm down. It's not that bad. The mortality rate isn't that bad. And then he gets removed from the scene. Now you only have one guy screeching the end is nigh. And so everyone just runs for it and goes and hides. And anytime any one of these people pops up and says, I disagree, gone. Yep.

So you had, I think it was the best example of this is Breitbart when they got their video removed from Facebook. Breitbart filmed a press conference of doctors, one of which was, you know, considered to be a kooky doctor. Sure, whatever. Fine. But you had a press conference in D.C. Breitbart is a news organization.

All they did was film it. It was put on by a Congress member. Facebook removed it because of what the doctors said. So Breitbart didn't say it. Breitbart was just a news organization saying a congressman held a press conference. Shouldn't they just put like a fact check or something? I mean, even that goes.

You would think. But even that goes farther than I think they should. It's like it's a news organization who filmed some doctors and a congressman. And here's what they said. That's not. Why is Facebook removing a news organization? Right. It's because the leftward lurch.

You're allowed to say things in favor of leftist orthodoxy even if everyone disagrees with it so i'll tell you the craziest thing that i was told i had a friend tell me that they're you know kind of a liberal but that they are scared of how the left is going in terms of abortion because they think it's wrong interesting okay and i said then you need to go tell people that and i said oh god no like i can't i can't say anything like that and i said what if it's true that every one of your friends agrees with you but the only reason you think this is because none of you will say it what if you come out and say it well the problem is the other people you know like the other people in

on the left even if they agree will be like i'm not going to be the deviant and they're going to point and they're going to you know hiss at him exactly but I'm not going to be the deviant. And they're going to point and they're going to, you know, hiss at him. Exactly. But you know who can always be the deviant. You can always lean left. And I think that's the key of the lurch is that the only person who's never going to be problematically offensive within that worldview is the person who pushes it a little bit farther. Right.

It's yet a little bit more critical to the critical race theory or the critical gender theory or whatever it is. You can always go further to the left without having to worry that you're going to be the bad guy and so it is it's this drift and you get all of these kind of like you get these people who are dragged along with it who don't like like your friend who don't like doing it that's the cato study we talked about it's the 60 percent of people who like there are probably lots and lots of people who i know in dc who work for liberal organizations who just aren't quite liberal enough and they're a little bit worried that like that that guy who lost his job for retweeting a link that said that destructive

riots aren't politically beneficial, right? That they hurt your cause. And the guy lost his job. I mean, it's like, it's that crazy. You know what they can do though?

What? In secret, they can vote. They can vote. I don't think it's enough. I think it's good. I don't think it's enough. And I think one of the,

one of the issues is if you control culture, you've won. Yeah. And so maybe not permanently, but for now, you know, what is saying? Whoever controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future. Is that 1984 or something? That sounds like it should be. It sounds Orwellian.

It's got to be that. Maybe it's Animal Farm. So here's what happens. People are seeing all this happen around them and they're getting scared. They go into the voting booth and they vote for Trump. The leftists in media use this as proof. White supremacy. America is a white supremacist country. See, the race has got elected again. That proves it. Young people who don't know better are being indoctrinated into that new world. Yeah. So they aren't voting. They will grow up and say, this is what the media

has told me my whole life. This must be true and then the secret pro-trumpers who wouldn't speak up and wouldn't teach the next generation are gone and you have a brave new world an aurelian yeah i mean i i think you're right and part of it too is you know you've it's it's also like who are the types of people who tend to be teachers like the the political bent of a lot of very important informative organizations happen to lean left. Journalists, teachers, all these other individuals. And so because of that, you do have this kind of surround sound of a certain perspective that a bunch of young impressionable people, and even not young, but generally impressionable people, take as a given, take as a fact, take as a reality that's going on around them. And they don't know any better. And I think it's particularly true if you don't have people who are super into politics.

Yeah. I think the one thing that people are missing is the schools. And it's amazing to me that conservatives are fighting so hard to get their kids back into them when we're seeing these leaked curriculums showing that it's all like a crazy indoctrination. They're telling the kids all of these insane things. Yeah.

Like weird dogma. And there's some, I think Twitter honestly is probably what opened my eyes to it. But there's some really good people who make a really good push for don't send your kids

to government schools. You can homeschool if you can't homeschool. Send your kids to private schools. If you can't afford private schools, find a charter that'll take you in. There are a lot of other options

and I think that's what you got to do. You know, I think you've got to start finding models to break it because it's not going away on its own, right. You look at something like the L.A. Unified School District. There's no there's no amount of reform or tweaks or change or God forbid money that's going to fix that thing. Right. And so I wonder if you don't just have to let it go on its own or if nothing else, you got to kind of say, hey, it sucks. It's a shame.

But my kids aren't going to have to suffer the consequences of this school choice. Yeah. And, you know, Trump included that as an agenda for a second term. Yeah. And it's really amazing. We had a Colin. Do you know Colin Wright? He's a evolutionary biologist. We had him on, I think, earlier this week. And he talks a lot about gender and stuff. And he mentioned how he used to be opposed to it, you know, because he thought it was going to be used to teach evolution and creationism. But now that he sees what the intersectional, the identitarian left is doing, he's like, school choice, voucher program, get the kids, put them where you want because this has gone too far. And I'm right there with them.

The craziest thing to me is earlier this year, and I really do love talking about guns now because I'm like a new gun guy. Ah, okay, got it. And so earlier this year, I was like, I don't want any guns in my house. Now I have six. Amazing. I shouldn't have said that also i also have other other uh legal means of defense outside of those two yes indeed yeah but i do i do i do definitely we have uh i mentioned this i think crowder asked me and i was just like oh we got a bunch of compound bows a bunch of recurve bows amazing yeah we're like we're ever since the riots happened yeah i don't blame you i've i've i've gone we had we had um uh cory d'angelo's son and then oh he explained great yeah he's

brilliant he explained to me voucher program school choice and i was like it's brilliant i love it let's do it why can't parents choose where their kids go to school yeah and then uh when the riots broke out and uh i saw what was happening and i heard the helicopters i went about a bunch of guns yep so there has been a big rightward lurch to a sort of shock to liberals who were asleep, not paying attention. And I'm someone who did pay attention. But for the most part, I was like, well, I'm not going to buy a gun. What am I? And riots happen.

And I'm like, I'm going to go buy a gun. Yeah. Bought a bunch. Yeah. I don't believe you. And I think what you're going to see is you're going to like as someone who lives in D.C. and is familiar enough with the D.C. gun laws to know that they're pretty awful. I think you're also going to see a lot of people leaving like as someone who lives in dc and is a familiar enough with the dc gun laws to know that they're pretty awful i think you're also going to see a lot of people leaving the cities for those sorts of reasons too right and i think i you make a

really really good point on the school choice stuff because i think that people were fed up with their their schools already but now the way that they're handling the coronavirus stuff i think is going to be what puts a lot of people over the edge and they say you know what this is too important my children's education is too important for me to screw up, particularly in a hyper-competitive world that I can't just let them walk down the road to school, even if that's the closest, easiest option, even if their friends are there or whatever, because it's too great a sacrifice. It's not just that. Have you heard about these pods that are popping up? I have, yeah. So parents, their kids aren't in school, so they're teaming up and putting all the kids under, like they're all pitching in for a tutor, and the tutor teaches all the kids.

Right. Saves money for everybody. Yeah. Instead of having one tutor teach one kid, you have one tutor teach 20 kids. Congratulations, you made a school. Yep. So now you've got parents who are saying, if I'm going to be paying this tutor by pitching in with all my friends, why are my taxes going to a school I don't use?

Exactly. I would like my money back. Yeah. And Trump said, we're going to get you your money back. Yeah. It makes sense. Why would we? And you can't blame them, right? I mean, I money back. Yeah. And Trump said, we're going to get you your money back. Yeah. It makes sense. Why would we? You know, and you can't blame them.

Right. I mean, I think, you know, you're right. And the other thing, too, is it it solves for the socialization problem caused by the pandemic. Right. It obviously it helps the parents out tremendously and they get a better experience having a tutor than having their parents teach them. But it also lets kids be kids and allows them to play with their friends and go out and do all the sorts of things that they can't do right now in the pandemic. And I think they are going to sit back and say, hey, you know what? This wasn't so bad, right? I think if this continues to happen with schools,

you're going to have a lot of people who go through half of a school year or a whole school year. And you have these disaffected parents who are like, I don't know, they're maybe like crunchy granola-y, like pretty leftward leaning people who are like, this isn't terrible. And I think actually it's a lot better than this now scary alternative that i haven't seen before i think the most important thing is that uh kids spend too much time socializing with each other so i so i'll put it this way i look at schools and what do we see the teachers and the students are typically adversarial the kids like school sucks that's like a kid say it all the time yeah well they're going to a place they hate they're they're under the command or authority of someone they don't like they can't even go to the

bathroom if they need to unless they get permission all right that's a horribly authoritarian system and then they're getting their social cues from other people who have no understanding of social cues outside of so it's like you take two people who can't speak any languages and put them in a room and they start making up weird gibberish words. They're not going to function properly in the greater society. So that's why I say kids are socializing too much. What we need is kids to be around their parents. That's why I'm a big fan of homeschooling but with these pods. So you have regular adults the kids can be around.

And I also think it's very important that parents spend a lot of time teaching their own kids. So I think if you go back to where, you know, how humanity essentially was developing, uh, at a certain point, I'm not going to speak. I'm not an anthropologist,

but, uh, the, the kid would, the dad would be a blacksmith and the kid would grow up and his dad would be showing him what he did. Right. But more importantly, that I would be like,

yo, go grab a bale of water. I need it for, you know, the whatever. And the kid would go do it. And then the kids growing up being told, here's what you need. Here's why you need it. Here's what I need. Go get it for me. Eventually the kid's a teenager and he's also a blacksmith. He's an apprentice.

So he learns his whole life. He's around all the people coming in and, you know, you know, patronizing the business. And then he learns how to be a functioning human in this world. Today we've, we've removed that. You have kids who grow up have no idea how taxes work. Don't even know they got to pay them. They're like, what do you mean I got to file a form? Says who, when, how?

Yeah, exactly. They don't know how to even get a job. They don't know what to do. They don't make a resume. You go to school, they don't know how to tell you how banks work. None of that.

Yeah, they don't know how to be an employee either. I mean, they don't know how to be an employer. The craziest thing to me is that when I was younger, I was just sitting there thinking one day and i thought how do you make money like how do you get money to buy something

you want and i realized all i've got to do is convince that guy holding that green piece of paper to put the green piece of paper in my hand it's really fundamentally that simple so what can you do to get it and it has to be honest you don. You can't defraud somebody and you can't take it from my force. So I've got to find a way to convince them that he should give me that. So you can trade something. I can say I can give you this object. I made you a paper boat. Give me a dollar.

Or you can say I will help you with your homework. What can you do to convince them? And that's how you make money. Not by going to a job and asking a machine to print money for you. They think the only way to make money is to go to you know a business a corporation and say i would like access to the money printer right and that's just that's that's it's a it's a failed world view and it's our fault for not teaching our kids better yeah and i think schools it is and i think bound up within that is also a lack of teaching of morality and i think this is probably particularly bad as we get into a society where morality is less assumed, right? There's plenty of benefits

to that. But I think one of the consequences is that if we don't have a relatively fixed or understood morality, then kids grow up in an absence of morality as people who aren't moral actors themselves, right? They're too young. They can't possibly understand. And so for a really long time, getting back to the anthropological model, you had, that was the role of the family or the community or the culture or the religion or whatever it is. And now we've kind of, we've hoisted that onto a public school system that has no idea how to do it. But unfortunately, more and more is attempting to do it. And I think that's where the real danger comes in. I'll tell you what's really amazing. Are you Christian? Yes. Yeah. Catholic. So I grew upolic and my family left the church when i

was real young and i became a disillusioned young person like very anti yeah anti-church and everything and then i had an epiphany when i met someone and he just gave me some insight at a couple different moments in my life and then i became i don't necessarily want to say agnostic i do believe in god but i i think it's not the uh not like a theistic yeah it's more of an einsteinian or it's hard to explain. I have my own personal belief system. But I was thinking about something really interesting because my buddy Adam, who I don't know if you met him. He's doing his own show.

He has a song he wrote and we used to jam on Friday nights. And one of his lines is that it's time to confess our sins. He says that in one of his songs. And I thought about this and I said, the idea that a like secular, urban, liberal type would understand the concept of confessing your sins means that he does have some understanding of confession. Yeah. And that's Catholic, right?

Yeah, yeah, it is. So I thought it was interesting because if you go to another country, maybe in like East Asia, and they're going to be like, what's that? Yeah. I don't understand what that is. It doesn't exist in their culture.

And so when you talk about a shared morality, what I think a lot of people in this country didn't realize, and I learned this, you know, very much later on. I remember hearing from a lot of liberals talking religion. They'd say something like, if you need religion not to like murder and rape people, then that scares me because. Yeah. If you need religion not to like murder and rape people, then that scares me because. And I'm like, but what you don't realize is that your morals come from the same moral foundation. Right. And so I really had an amazing moment when I read about when I was learning about Blackstone's formulation. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, that's rooted in the Bible. Yes. Yeah. I believe Sodom and Gomorrah. It is. If there is but one righteous person. Right. And so that evolved over time through into English common law, which we brought to the United States.

And now we have the Fifth Amendment, the right to a trial, the right to remain silent, the right, the innocence until proven guilty is rooted quite literally. So what I explain to people is you might not like the Bible and maybe like the originalists who view it as verbatim. But the way I see it is we started somewhere and maybe there's some things in here that were bad, but we kept the good. And we carried the good with us, slowly refining it and making it better. And now when you come out and say, I don't need a religion to tell me why I'm moral. Then I say, but there are countries that don't have the presumption of innocence right and so the presumption of innocence while it is separated from from the faith we've we've kind of like figured out that core element right it it's it's

a shared morality from you know the similar values so the reason i bring that up is even if you know i think this more relates to the 90s when i was growing up, when you had the Democrats and a lot of secular liberal types who still had similar moral foundations. Exactly. Yeah. Even though the religion had been removed from it. Right. Well, now we're entering a point where the moral foundations are mirror images, where you have Black Lives Matter and critical race theory saying, you know, overtly racist things. So part of our moral foundations is that we created

the Civil Rights Act. You know, you can't discriminate against people based on these things. It's equality under the law. Well, now they want to erase that. They say, well, we should be able to discriminate to help people. And that's when our moral foundations are now have become mirror image. So when I'm talking to my friend and I say, I refuse to live in a world without the Civil Rights Act. It was long fought by our great civil rights leader. We won and you want to repeal it. And their answer is, but we need to to help people.

I say, I don't care what you think you're doing. Right. The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I resist. And I'm right there with you. And I think it's right to say that they are in opposition. And I think one of the things that a lot of people, particularly a lot of people,

I think BLM kind of forget is the idea of all people, like I don't want to say all lives matter, right? That's got political context. But the idea that all of human life intrinsically has worth and value that is even and equal is a very Christian concept, right? This is St. Paul's writing. This is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free.

These are Christian, these were incredibly unfamiliar at the time and so you're right there's so much of this that then gets it gets passed down to culture it gets passed down to common law gets passed down to the sort of values that we share as a people and you're right for a really long time we could fight about what those values were and for a long time obviously there's meaningful meaningful problems and how those values existed right particularly before the 1960s yeah there were enormous, enormous problems with the way that we reflected these values. But I do think that probably from, I don't know, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s,

there was a really valuable shared framework with which we discussed moral issues. And we're very rapidly moving to a point where we are throwing out the idea that even having that confined conversation is valuable. here's here's kind of what i think uh in that context where i said the morality has shifted the base of it i am a liberal individual uh i grew up very briefly catholic so i i i grew up and i long have since forgotten a lot of the stuff they taught us in these in in catholic school although i still remember some of the songs it's kind of funny because we you know they stay with you they will always stay with they do even though it's a little kid but a lot of the songs. It's kind of funny because we stay with you. They will always stay with you. They do. Even though I was a little kid.

But a lot of the moral foundations, I think that's what it is. I think even secular liberals don't realize they were raised in a sort of a Judeo-Christian framework. Whether it's good or bad is not the point. I'm just saying we shared a lot of these same values. I mean, the Ten Commandments or blackstone's formulation right but now we have a new a new idea of a new world where we're colonizers we're evil where white people they say you know are evil and have all these whiteness traits like hard work and planning for the future and it's a really weird thing yeah but their moral framework is completely inverted right so here's what i think how is it that you and i you know we're having a conversation you is it fair to say you're a catholic conservative yeah yeah i'm like a uh i don't know

if it's fair to say i'm like secular i don't know what i am but i'm not a non-theistic liberal type yeah we agree on so much right and it's because of a rooted moral foundation i think yeah exactly and again you can quibble on so many of the details and i think that one of the one of the big important things here is what we're seeing in the streets and places like Portland. Those aren't quibbles. Those aren't those aren't splitting hairs about about a 25 percent effective tax rate versus 27 percent. Right. Right. Right. It is a bunch of people who fundamentally do not believe in the rules that have governed our entire system since, like, I don't know, we became an agricultural civilization. But it's beyond that. It's like, well, yes, yes. It's also in the in the nitty gritty of our current society. They believe they have a right to use violence against you. We typically, you know, like for the longest time, most Americans were not in agreement. And I love it when people bring up

the weather underground. They're like, yeah, but what you want to talk about how bad things are, the weather underground. And I was like, I could if you want to talk about how bad things are the weather underground and i was like i could be wrong but didn't they do shock and awe campaigns in the middle of the night when no one was around because they didn't want to hurt people yeah and they ended up killing someone i think because they were they were like they didn't know they were going to be in there yeah exactly it was like their intent and what they did was wrong like no joke absolutely but like they were avoiding hurting people the people today uh in these riots they're actively hurting people in fact they've killed people there's there's 15 dead from the riots and with

a chas chop they literally killed people yeah the security guards unloaded according to witnesses for like a minute just round after round into a vehicle with some teenagers in it because i thought the teenagers were like white supremacists but they weren't they were just kids so they they're literally like light them up and And so much of it too, and I think my biggest problem, biggest problem with all this is they're reframing and rephrasing the way violence works in this defund.

Oh, totally. And so if you can say words are violence and you really fundamentally believe words are violence and using the wrong pronoun is a threat against someone, the way that lots of blue check Twitter activists will tell you these things are literal violence,

then it doesn't surprise me when those same people look at Rand Paul getting assaulted and say, like, how is that worse than messing up someone's pronouns? How is that worse than the drinking from the Kool-Aid of white supremacy or whatever Lady Gaga said the other day? Words are violence. Silence is violence. Silence too, right.

And silence is consent. Okay, so they've covered all the bases, right? Yeah right yeah if you say nothing you're being violent and consenting to whatever's happening around you right and so that applies in all contexts if you don't if you're not speaking up against the riots then you are uh effectively condoning them yeah and you're also being violent against them for not supporting them and if you say anything you're being violent against them therefore no matter what you do we we must beat you and crush you. There's no winning that way. And really, to me, what it comes down to is it's intellectual extortion, right?

You are looking at people and you are saying you can either agree with me or you can face violence. It's like the Sopranos if the Sopranos took over Twitter and academia. That's what we're seeing happen in real time. And it's amazing because there's so many people who are kind of getting there. They've got the gun in their back or the sword in their back. They're walking the plank and they're like, it's fine. Can you guys, did you see what Trump tweeted about today? Like it's such a big concern and they don't see what's going on around them and the radical, truly radical shifts that we're seeing in the way that, that

are the discourse just takes place. I wonder, you know, uh, elaborating on this moral, uh, you know, shared moral framework idea. I wonder if the know, elaborating on this moral, you know, shared moral framework idea. I wonder if the reason why we kind of have default liberals, you know, people who just kind of vote Democrat and don't really pay attention is because they don't really have any kind of moral framework. So they just default to the left and they say, sure, whatever. Then you have the far leftists who have a radically different moral framework where their power is paramount and the health of the tribe and the survival of the tribe is more important than individual rights. Then you have the traditional American faction, which includes liberals and conservatives.

And that is a shared moral framework on specific, I guess it's fair to say Judeo-Christian values, kind of. We were founded as a Christian nation. But it's become something a bit broader than that but there is a rooted shared moral framework so yeah so i wonder if the reason why this is what i'm saying is there are you know people who are just not paying attention right who will go out and vote for joe biden without knowing anything about what's going on and it could be because their moral framework is at is absent they're just they're just i want to feed my family i don't care about anything else yeah exactly and i think that's i think that's a good way to look at it and i think part of it too

is there's a lot of people who in the absence of having a particularly firm moral framework it's really easy to adopt my catholic is really showing here but it can be really easy to adopt a worldly moral framework right and so if your moral framework is basically i don't know twitter and facebook and whatever video you find on YouTube and the movies that you watch and the video games you play, then that can be super, super problematic for a lot of different reasons. And so I think it can be easy to adopt that instead and that that is destined to fail. But that's almost that passive sort of framework that ends up resulting. You know, I've had a video on my main channel about Jordan Peterson for a long time. It's like my default video from years ago.

And I basically talk about how we're experiencing a crisis of purpose where you have a lot of far leftists who they don't know what their purpose is. So they've created one. Yes. It's challenging the empire and white supremacy. Right. But then you have a lot of other people who have no purpose. So they just sit around playing video games all day then they find someone like jordan

peterson who tells them here's how you develop purpose yeah you know find the heaviest thing you can and then carry it and that is you know a part of the culture war people who have nothing to do and don't understand but are longing to right to do something because i think we all are right like i think at the end of the day and then you know i think peterson really struck a chord i think with a lot of people for exactly that reason. It's he understands that people fundamentally, and a lot of cases, particularly young men, are striving for some level of meaning in a world that has very, very little meaning. And outside of the more traditional, like, I need to go be a blacksmith because I need to keep growing the family blacksmith building, or outside the, you know, the confines of traditional faith, it can be really, really hard to find something. And so if you've got this quasi religion and leftism, it's a really, really easy thing to glam onto. We've, uh, we've kind of won. We have abundance of food. We're all overweight. Uh, so what do people do? And so they just, they got to figure something out. Otherwise what's the meaning of life? Why are they alive? And then they just,

I don't know, they sit in their bedrooms, bored and scared. But they found a new meaning in this new dogma. Right. Because at the end of the day, what critical race theory, I think, gives a lot of people a really great excuse to do is it gives them easy bad guys. There are monsters. They can go out and slay the monsters that are very obviously in front of them. And I don't know, maybe behind them in line at the supermarket, too.

It's everywhere. It's omnipresent. This awful, terrible thing that is toxic whiteness or toxic masculinity or toxic whatever you want to get mad about if it's everywhere then every day of your life can have meaning it's like you're on a giant open-ended rpg video game where you're adventure where yeah you're going on an adventure and there's always going to be some monster that crawls out of the forest that you get to be the righteous one to destroy and the problem is the people that they always happen to find and the issues they keep finding aren't monsters right and there's no one to tell them they're not monsters right there's no great enemy yeah let's go jump to the uh super

chats and someone brought up a good point that uh i'm gonna go ahead and assume is correct i'm not entirely sure but they said the vice president breaks a tie in the supreme court i don't know if that's true i don't know if that's true but someone commented that so interesting we have a cat desperately trying to steal water from everybody i would believe just about anything right now to be honest with you about who breaks a tie in the supreme court you right so that doesn't sound right to me though it doesn't sound right to me either but i don't know what would sound right like i don't know who you would say you say this is google it uh let's uh let's read what wolf ranger has to say wolf ranger says please go back on

joe rogan his curator jamie wrongfully told him there was no instance of mail-in ballot problems and other fallacies joe has a bit a big platform and it's important he not push these and other false narratives to his audience yeah joe had a uh oh man joe got called out by media matters for america which is a left-wing wing conspiracy theory organization that just like makeup smears against people. You know, my favorite thing Media Matters ever did was which they accused me of pushing a conspiracy theory that Ilhan Omar may have married her brother. And the image they used was a picture of me quite literally reading the Star Tribune that said it verbatim. So it's like, that's amazing. That's why I,

in my main channel, I have the news source right big on the screen. And that's all you see. You can't miss it. And so they were like, Tim Pool falsely claimed. And it's me going like, I'm shocked.

And I'm like, it says Ilhan Omar may have married her brother. And I'm like, I just read the newspaper. Local reporting. And it's got a check mark from NewsGuard. So anyway, Joe Rogan said on his show

that there was a bunch of crazy people uh starting fires and um that he that is true there are a bunch of but he said then he said and this is out west where right right right this is this is 100 factually true and i actually i think i have the source and um i think it's it would be wise to actually pull that up because they're gonna try and drag drag me for it. So we'll just leave it on the screen while I talk about this. So he said, what's going on in the West Coast with these like wildfires? Something is crazy. You got these crazy people. It's all it's nuts.

They're starting fires. And then he said they've actually arrested like some activists, like some leftists for starting these fires. He said forest fires. That was wrong. It's nitpicking, but they're wildfires. He said activists and people when, in fact, it was one leftist. It was a guy named Jeffrey Accord, who was a known Black Lives Matter defund the police

activist who got arrested, according to the police, trying to start a fire in the brush. He did start a fire. They put it out, I believe. Yeah, one guy. Then you had, according to we have Oregon Catalyst, they track 14 different arsons identified on the West Coast. So, yes, there are more than a dozen people and here are all the stories and all the links you got san francisco chronicle you got

k k hq so anyway joe because media matters came after him i don't know why i guess he felt like he should make a correction and his correction was wrong in the other direction yeah and so uh man bummer when you try and play this game and you don't have a fact checker or anything like that so joe ended up making an instagram video that got like a million plus views where he said hey i was wrong i said people were starting fires that's not true it is true people are starting fires they're just not antifa even buzzfeed news reported yes there's a bunch of arson no it's not antifa there was one leftist who got arrested so you know look i think it's crazy that uh that like people go after Joe this hard on this stuff because he's like he's a podcast of hanging out with his buddies.

And it's turned into what like Larry King, Walter Cronkite. Yeah, exactly. Level of journalism. And I'm like, dude, the comedian hanging out with his buddies is not supposed to be the most rigorous fact check. But people pile on him and they're like, he's got to know everything. And it's like, how do you do a podcast where you're just a comedian hanging out with your friends and interesting people? Yeah. If you, if, and if people are trying to force you to literally know everything. Yeah. And also like, what a great way to rob the fun of a fun podcast to say, Hey, not only do you have to be on all the time, all of your guests have to be on all

the time. And if not, who knows? Maybe, maybe maybe they're maybe they're going to boycott the people who put ads on your on your programs or whatever it is yep yep and and he apologized and his apology is wrong so and now and now he's and the problem is and we talked about this earlier once you apologize you don't get a do-over right you say something you get exactly one do-over to either double down or apologize and that's it i mean i gotta make your bed i gotta be honest though i think joe is kind of the like the chill enough dude to put another video out like, dude, there actually is arson. It's just an antifreeze.

Man, you know, because I think he's kind of... You wouldn't expect it from a major corporation. Yes. Their PR department would be lighting on fire. But Joe's the kind of guy

who's gonna be like, I'm just gonna, you know. But we'll see if he does. And man, that's rough. Because I'll tell you what. I bet if Joe came out and said look i found this this link showing all these different stories of all this different arson then he's going to get media matters again saying say they'll rogan doubles down and lies again and so what do you do

so i think it's a huge challenge because if you come out and say there's no arson when there is well then you're not being truthful right and if you're worried about you know getting attacked and they could destroy your business then we got a serious societal problem yeah you know and and i unfortunately i think that's about where we're at right like it's it's a really really easy thing to go and destroy someone's career and like again this guy's not a wildfire expert the other thing too is this isn't like he's not saying that oh yeah did you hear the moon landing was fake like he he was like a well intentionally yeah like he's a fair no he's got like old episodes of crazy fun conspiracy talk. But like, you know, that's the crazy thing.

Joe Rogan's show was having fun with his friends and talking about crazy stuff. And they turned him into Larry King live. You have to be 100% correct all the time. It's a failure of journalism. I think the reason why that has happened to him is that so many people don't trust the people who are supposed to be giving them the right news that they go to him and he becomes a de facto by default news provider. And so they're like, okay, well, it's an institutional failure. And he is unfortunately facing the ramifications of an institutional failure for which he's not responsible. How amazing is it that, you know, whether people want to accept it or not, even Joe, he is a top news source for people.

Yeah. No joke. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy, right? And it's crazy in an era where, like, we've all got supercomputers in our pockets and we are beamed constantly with an enormous amount of information. All you have to do is, like, tell it decent and tell it straight. And, like, the eyes will come. They will follow you to the truth i think in most cases um and it's it's amazing what

so many people have done to light their own and their own institutions credibility on fire to get to a point where there are millions and millions of people who are going to joe rogan to say hey tell me what happened today in the world yeah and to to be fair that's not even joe's job no so he's not he's like a regular dude who's like don't look at me i don't know and but i think that's why i'm you know people come to my show a lot because i quite literally will have the source on the screen i don't say unless i can fact check it otherwise i tell you google it now you fact check me i could be wrong about this and i that's like the best i can do and it's funny when i get it when i get attacked by a lot of people and i'm like dude i know i'm wrong yeah like i do my best i don't know what you want me to do i just

like i read the news i pull the sources up they're all certified i use a third party fact checking and rating agency. That is the best any person could probably do. And I'm trying, man, but they don't like it because they don't like the truth. And it's, it's amazing too, because I think part of it is so many people have kind of thrown their hands up with a lot of media now to say, you know what I know? Like even, I think even the true believers, even the real anti-Trump people are still kind of like, yeah, you're right. Some of this is kind of BS, fake news. And so I think they have this kind of this miscast anxiety and frustration and desire to hold someone accountable. And it's not going to be, you know, they're not going to go on and complain about Sanjay Gupta or Anderson Cooper or Jake Tapper or something like that because it's too far away from them. But they see someone with a podcast.

They're like, you should do better. Look, you've got that computer up on your up on. I see it right there like why why aren't you doing more why aren't you doing better but again it's it's this miscast aggression and frustration because what they're really probably mad about is the failed institutions who have let them down well when it comes to the media like media matters for instance they're just going after joe politically because joe joe is a political obstacle he's an everyman yeah so you gotta you to be careful when bad faith actors accuse you of lying. And that's the thing, too. It's so easy, especially when you put out enough content.

It's so easy to take anything and spin it out of context. Like, you know this infinitely better than I do. When you've got hours and hours and hours of content that you're putting up every single week, all somebody has to do, some 19-year-old kid at Media Manage for America, just has to take one little snippet that maybe age poorly or look bad or whatever it was splash that up with a bunch of other weird context they can pin together and boom you've got something that's going to be of interest to someone the good news is i guess no one cares enough about me so like every it's really it's really weird as much as like a lot of people watch my content i'm just so like tepid and and milk toast for the political

world that it's like, even when someone does pull something out of context, no one cares. They're like, why should like somebody, somebody commented that I was like critical of some guy on Twitter and like said something offensive. And the guy was like, why should I care? And it's like, you shouldn't. It's amazing. Literally shouldn't.

That's amazing. But I try to avoid making direct derogatory statements. I try to be respectful. Yeah. And people still try to come after me. And it's just like, I think I'm too, I don't target individuals. You know what I mean? So that makes it really easy to hate somebody when they call out a specific person at a

certain tier. Like, I'll talk about, obviously, AOC and Trump and Biden and stuff. But I won't call out like a regular dude or, you know, I try to keep it above that stuff yeah and i think you're not like you're not going for the clickbait right like i think unfortunately well like you remember people accuse me of i'm sure but like you remember like the forklift operator whoever who like lost his job and canceled because he made a meme or something like that's the sort of thing that unfortunately i think plays really well for people in the media because again when you when you i think when you peel back a lot of these the layers of um the you know the the the white supremacist toxic culture we live in to a lot of people is the people around you are bad.

That's really, to me, what it boils down to more than anything. And it's kind of like the get out mentality as you walk around the world. You look around people everywhere and these are monsters. These are demons. They're bad people. really really easy when you buy into a narrative like that to get just as bad at someone like aoc or someone like trump or someone like biden as it is the guy down the supermarket who you knew all along was always a bad person right so when you're able to paint wide wide swaths of this country as wrong and irredeemable then it becomes really really easy when they do the tiniest thing wrong to watch them get destroyed because it's not them who's being destroyed right yeah because if you're

if you believe the stuff it's never the individual who's destroyed it's always another domino of white supremacy that has fallen and who cares if it's some guy who lost his forty thousand dollar a year job supporting his family in rural iowa so uh we're gonna read some more super chats make sure you smash that like button just just like you know or give it a little tiny tip uh do you want to shout out your your twitter or any any oh yeah i want to mention social media yeah i'm always on twitter so if you if you think or even if you don't think anything i'm saying has value and you just want to hate on it i i get lots of hate i'm happy to respond to it awesome it's it's drew holden 360 on twitter easy yeah easy to follow so easy yeah let's uh let's read this show we got craig cooper with a big old

super chat appreciate he says hi tim love the show if people want non-woke sci-fi, they can check out my novel at cscooper.com.au. Copy should be in your PO box. The bug really messed my business up. Lost lots of money. So shout out. Really appreciate it. Well, the super chat's greatly appreciated. Awesome. So let's see. I can't read that one. Okay. Chuck Morris says, we have one president at a time and he selects the public servants. We are a nation of laws. Follow the Constitution, brothers. Colin P. says, Trump in Minnesota just said, if I shaved my head, I'd be down 20 points. Should I shave my head?

And the crowd booed. No, he didn't. That can't be real. Did we actually miss that? Probably. I bet he did. I believe it. That sounds like something Trump would say.

Probably 2020. Have you been to a Trump rally? I that i have not been i was gonna go with a buddy of mine and then um what what happened the i think coronavirus just came in and it got canceled trump is political stand-up comedy yeah it really is and and and he it's a cathartic uh cathartic release it is it is like john stewart yeah so so i've been with so many trump rallies i went to the white house for that social media summit yeah and it to so many trump rallies i went to the white house for that social media summit yeah and it was just a trump rally i thought it was going to be like a sit-down conversation no we just sat in a room and trump did stand up that's hysterical and trump is

really funny yeah you like his jokes he has self-deprecating humor he's very self-aware and i was like this is why people like him yeah because they're they're angry at the elites they're angry at the media they're angry at the every tower and trump knows they hate him too and so he takes it all makes a joke out of it he doesn't care he's not worked up that they don't like him yeah and they like to claim he is and i'm like i don't think he watches fox news he's not watching you dude yeah you know let's read some more what do you got let's see car wash adam cooper says money is never wasted when it's in support of timcast be a jerk if you like no skin off my back. Appreciate it.

Awesome. Let's see. Bariqua Tano says Trump was just saying he wanted Ted Cruz for the Supreme Court in his rally. But then then Texas loses Ted Cruz, you know, so it's it's rough. Yeah. John Marafa says concerning the passing of RBG one, the popping sounds you hear are left its heads exploding two

democrats will be galvanized to vote three trump voters will be even more galvanized to vote rip rbg with tremendous respect to ruth bitter ginsburg you know her family and everything but i do think there's an interesting question about uh if republicans will be galvanized versus democrats and there's a good argument for both sides. Democrats are seeing the apocalypse before their eyes. Right. But Trump is going to appoint someone. They're going to get confirmed.

So the Democrats have nothing to gain. The Republicans also don't. I mean, if Trump appoints someone now, then the Republicans are going to be like, we won. So if they get through. But I mean, that's the thing. Like, do they even have enough time between now and the election to get somebody through and so i think if it becomes an issue and we were talking about this before like if it becomes an issue that people are voting on

then i think it probably does galvanize republicans more because there are a lot of like ever anyone who's got the the rbg t-shirts they're already they're they're voting they were voting they're voting already but i think there are a lot of like i don't know mild manner dudes outside of salt lake who don't like trump and don't like the way he talks who maybe held their nose and voted for him in 2016 who are now like oh man i don't want biden to put someone on the bench and i can't stand trump but i'll take another conservative justice yeah i think you i think there are more of those people than someone with an rbg t-shirt who wasn't going to vote let's uh yeah the people who are going to vote for rbg have already been using that as an excuse i think so too vote because of her all right let's see what we got let's see what we got let's uh we'll try and

jump down because we don't have too much time felwyn says a split decision effectively upholds the ruling of the lower court in the event of such a tie the court typically issues what's known as a per curiam decision it is deemed not to have created precedent interesting that i buy that's yeah that makes sense We said a minute ago, like I don't know what somebody could say that would make sense. Like, I buy that. There's Latin in there too.

I buy it. That proves it. It's like, oh yeah. Skeleton King says, New York Post, campaign worker for Ilhan Omar's GOP challenger fatally shot. Yes.

You know about this one? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was like a kid was hanging out in front of a store and someone came up and shot him. Yeah, he was like a 17-year-old kid. I think he was killed in a drive-by. I mean, I saw somebody.

Someone covered it and called it an assassination. I don't know. I mean, I don't know enough about it to know if it had anything to do with politics. Unfortunately, he lives in a really awful area, as we've seen recently in Minneapolis, in terms of crime and violence. It could be tied to that. I don't know. It's tragic.

Obviously, he's a 17-year-old kid who lost his life. Somebody made a good point when they're talking about it too. And they said, where, where's, where's black lives matter on this one? That where, I mean,

where were they for David Dorn? Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's what they can use politically, I guess, you know?

Yeah. It's only when they can target an institution. V. Sidious says, are the Democrats going to filibuster now that they just said it was racist? Interesting. That is very interesting. Yeah, I forgot that old Jim Crow relic, the filibuster.

Wow. Look how it comes back around, potentially. Interesting. I think it's probable. I think it's probable. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Jacob Hawley says, hey, Tim, I have friends and family, and they are stuck in New York,

and they are trying to make the best of what they have now. But we need help badly. So many businesses are trying to make the best of what they have now. But we need help badly. So many businesses are gone. Save Coogan's Restaurant, Brooklyn Heights. Sorry to hear it, man. It's a bummer. Footlong Gaming says,

Hi, Tim. Do you really think communists are trying to burn our country down? You're over there laughing. I think so. I'll answer that question for you. You're just like, yeah. I'm putting words in tim's mouth no i'm just kidding i do think they are i think that's their main motivation i mean i think but i want to be careful because i'm not going to act like it's 50 billion you

know it's like a grand cabal but super secret crazy evil whatever troublemakers yeah yeah let's see um make high bry says the 1934 National Firearms Act taxed suppressors, short barrel rifles, shotguns, machine guns, etc. The tax for purchase levied in 1934 was $200. Arm weapons of offense or armor of defense. Should we tax a right? I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah, that sounds like a violation of the Second Amendment from a current reading.

Interesting. That sounds like that should go out the way we need we need lawyers yeah we need lawyers let's see val eris says good job tonight you guys people who still send their kids to these schools are as useless as the subjects that are being taught to them they may as well cast them into the sea and wait for the strongest to make it back to shore trade schools interesting shoddy vice where says i find your point about how we have no purpose uh but i've noticed that people who create purpose for themselves general uh generally those individuals become successful i think so and that's but i think jordan peterson is like helping guide people to that to that point you know let's see rob shade says saw it above and

deaf agree spin the cat no no we don't spin the cat we don't think it uh let's see i want to make sure i get some of the earlier super chats so people don't miss out the first super chat of the night was matthew hammond who said why does the media downplay covid originating from a chinese lab and always add a qualifier that it is not man-made like the faked fact checks you talk about it can come from a lab and be from nature right so early on there was concern that COVID was an accidental breach because they were doing research. But Tucker Carlson just had an expert who claimed to be a whistleblower. Now, I just think it's easier to it is simple enough to say that China

has its issues with sanitation. And if you told me that there were unsanitary conditions in a wet market that resulted in COVID, I'd be like, it's a simple solution. It is. But I do think it's fair to point out that you can have a researcher, an actual doctor who worked in a university say, here's what I know. And they'll say, this expert doesn't count. Right. But then they'll pull an American expert who didn't work in any university anywhere in

China and say, but their opinion does count. Right. So it's like you're picking and choosing which experts you make sense based on the orthodoxy. Yeah. As much as I don't agree with the narrative that it came from a lab until we get some hard evidence. Right. So it's like you're picking and choosing which experts you make sense based on the orthodoxy. Yeah. As much as I don't agree with the narrative that it came from a lab until we get some hard evidence. Right. But I think we probably need to have enough leeway to be able to find that evidence in

so far as it exists. Yeah. Exactly. Otherwise, you know, we're just not able to have the conversation. Right. Oh, yeah. All right. Let's see what we got here.

Some of the earlier super chats. Joe Strickland says, this is the worst thing that could have happened to Trump. Now the Dems will be highly motivated in reference to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's passing. I thought that was me on the show. I was like, oh man, I mean, I might be bad, but I didn't know I was that bad.

No, Trump needs to seat a new judge ASAP. But yeah, filibuster. I mean, they're going to jam it up. Yeah. And it's going to motivate them to an absurd degree if it doesn't happen. But Republicans do. Yeah.

And the last thought i have on that is i the the other thing that you got to throw in this equation is how it's going to be covered in the media and so if you've got all of these crazed liberals out there pounding on doors of the senate or whatever it is and you've got the media making out them out to be heroes i worry that that maybe does sway some votes yeah i have no idea what's going to happen i think i think uh i have speculation i think i have my personal opinions and you know it was it was really good that i had this conversation with my progressive friend the other day because i was like it's really interesting you know she has her sources

i have mine and i'm fairly confident i know more than she does because i read the news all day every day she she doesn't do she does as well because she also works in in the industry in some capacity but i but i'm thinking like it was it was a healthy conversation for me especially because it challenged some of my biases oh yeah i got to see yeah so that's that's why i think the the conversations are really important and that's why i have a lot of respect for uh you know there there are a couple progressives a couple uh leftist youtubers that i that i i do pop in kind of time to watch notably like david packman and kyle kolinsky okay yeah yeah i think i know who kyle is yeah kyle's i think kyle's a rad dude i think david does a good job um i disagree with them

sometimes i think they get things wrong yeah but i think it's important to to you know not just only watch one channel or you know read one story or whatever so you got you got it you got to do uh you got to do the best you can you know josh marston said i know that ruth bitter ginsburg dying is a big deal but we must ask ourselves a more important question. Have you pre-ordered a PlayStation 5? I'm actually more interested in pre-ordering the RTX 3080, you know, the graphics card, than the PlayStation 5. But they're all sold out. I don't know if the PlayStation 5, I'm not super worried to get a PlayStation 5 on opening, you know, release day or whatever.

Whatever, man. If I get one, I get one. But the PlayStation 5, I'm not super worried to get a PlayStation 5 on opening, you know, release day or whatever. Whatever, man. If I get one, I get one. But the graphics card I need. And so I don't know if you know the story, but people used bots to buy. So the new graphics card comes out. Yeah. It's like really, really, it's really good. It's fairly cost effective for a lot of people.

It's like 700 bucks for like the best graphic card. Yeah. And people used bots to buy them all out. No way. And so now regular, no one can get them because people were buying like 40 at a time and then putting them on ebay for two grand yeah exactly and that bothers me because i'm like i actually need one for video editing right and now you know can't get one but i'm not i'm not crying about it so you know drew are you buying one i don't think

i'm buying one a playstation 5 or a graphics card i don't think i'm buying either of those things actually i gotta be honest. So let's say, Gitcheboy says, was checking in a contractor at work, some regular dude who doesn't know me, and he comes up to me talking about how much he's tired of rioters and establishment Democrats. I hear that, man. That's the other thing, too.

Rioters, like, there's been so much good literature about how, like, violent riots turn off normal people, which, again, like, one plus one is two. Like, these are the sort of really, really simple non-political things that like hey if you're if you live in the suburbs and you're like hey my favorite restaurant in the city that we go to a couple times a month just got its windows broken in yeah i don't like that people don't like riots yeah i thought yeah and and the there's no escape i think when trump enters that debate and he looks at jo Biden and says, your staff

bailed these people out, what's Joe Biden going to say? Nothing. Oh, the debates won't happen. But if they did, if they did, I'll go on the record. Come on. They scheduled them. What's going to happen? I don't know.

I just I can feel it in my bones. It's almost conspiratorial. I have no facts, no evidence. But I do have all the screenshots for all the people who said very loudly that they have to happen. You have the screenshots for all the people who said very loudly that they have to happen so the screenshots wait just wait unless for some reason joe biden can't do it and kamala harris becomes the actual candidate that'd be interesting then it would happen or wouldn't like if coronavirus is bad in whatever area is like it spikes a week or two before or something i don't know man i get it i get i'm getting conspiratorial here but if it was

trump versus kamala or even pence kamala then trump or p is going to say, you solicited donations for the rioters. That's a good point. End of story. But she's just so much sharper on her feet than Biden. Oh, of course. Of course. Of course. But you're right.

It's an incredible. But she's still really bad. Like, you know, it was really transparent when she was going up in the debates against Biden. And it was like really obvious. She was like, hold on, Joe. And it's like, we get it. You're criticizing joe biden you've you're you sound like you're a pull a doll with like someone pulling the cord in your

back and a recording is coming out exactly it's just it's so true it's so true she's just so inauthentic that she can't escape like even by even by politician standards right i'm not holding a high bar here like i like even from even from a former attorney general of california turned senator low bar for what it takes to be authentic. She doesn't clear it. And quite frankly, I don't think she comes all that close. All right.

So Haywood says, I can't read your full name, dude. Dems can't filibuster Senator Schumer use the nuclear option when he has a simple majority. The Republicans said that they would live to regret it. Guess what? Grab your ankles, lefties. This is a very good point. Oh, family friendly. So let's see.

Let's see. Koraijin says, my aunt has pancreatic stage four cancer. I do not wish that nonsense on anyone. I did not like her. Yeah, it hurts the family. Yeah, man, for sure. Yep. Let's see.

Mr. BH1987 says, went to private university for two years. Cost for 60K. Thankfully, only paying 20K after scholarships. Now paid 15K for two years trade school, and I'll be making more money and enjoying my job. Community college and trade schools are the way. Here, here. Did you know you don't need a high school diploma to go to community college? I didn't know that.

You can get an associate's degree with no high school diploma or GED. No kidding. And then with an associate's degree, you can go to a four-year college and finish out your four-year degree amazing i was not aware of that yeah we need we obviously we didn't have time to talk about this tonight but i think there is a crisis in terms of too many people who shouldn't go to traditional four-year schools going to four-year schools and we need we need so that's the solution to the student debt crisis is we just need fewer people racking up enormous amounts of debts getting a degree they don't need and then they get out and they're like i have no job and then what do i do if we reduce

the number of people who went to those schools we would also decrease the number of people looking for those jobs which would raise the wages of everyone and like balance out the way it should and bring down the cost they can possibly charge people a lot of benefits yeah well ladies and gentlemen it is 1003 so we're going to start winding it down. Do you want to mention your social media real quick before we go? Yeah, yeah, happy to. So throw me a follow if you like or want to hate follow, whatever you want to do. It's DrewHolden360, best place to find me.

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