Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #139 - Civil Unrest ERUPTS After Jury Refuses To Indict Cops In Breonna Taylor Death

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

Tim, Ian, and guest Maj Toure of Black Guns Matter (@MAJTOURE, @blkgunsmattr on Twitter) sit down for a conversation starting with the riots in Louisville, and moving on to libertarian principles, the start of BLM, arbitrary rules put in place by the government, some breaking news out of Louisville, and Trump's effect on the world.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Earlier today, it was announced there are not going to be any indictments for the police officers who were involved in the raid in specific reference to the death of Breonna Taylor. Now, I got to clarify, one cop did get an indictment. He got, I believe, three counts of wanton endangerment because he was firing into other apartments. The left has taken this as an extreme slight, saying that if Breonna Taylor is innocent, then why is he getting charged for almost hurting somebody else, but not getting charged at all for the death of Breonna Taylor? It's an interesting argument, and we're gonna have to talk a lot about it. But once you learn the full details of what happened, it becomes a much more interesting and nuanced story.

And I'll say straight up, I've even seen conservative right-wing journalists and personalities get this wrong. And we did it last night when I said it was a no-knock warrant. So just some quick context, it's the Breonna Taylor case. It's in Louisville, Kentucky. The narrative was that these cops just barged in, no-knock warrant, kicked the door down, and then started firing. Breonna Taylor was sleeping in her bed and got killed. None of that happened. The official story, they pounded on the door over and over again. Witnesses confirmed this. And even Brenna Taylor's boyfriend said they were banging on the door.

But they didn't answer. Cops break the door down. That's when Brenna Taylor's boyfriend fires, shooting one of the cops in the leg. He fires back. And those are the rounds that they believe killed Brenna Taylor. And then this other cop, I guess, started firing wildly. And that's the only charge he got. So already civil unrest has started. There's a bunch of crazy videos. As soon

as they made the announcement, some dude like apparently went for a gun and then they grabbed him. They're like, yo, don't do it. Stop. Stop. You can't. And the guy chilled out. There's videos of like a U-Haul truck pulling up and then they're pulling out a bunch of signs and shields. And this is causing a lot of people to, well, get angry. Who organized this? Who's prepared all this stuff? And why do they have shields ready? What are they planning for? Apparently there's protests planned across the country, likely going to, in my opinion,

become riots. We'll see how this plays out. But I got to say, something weird's been going on with this show where we book people and then something crazy happens during the day. And we're like're like wow what a great coincidence this person happens to be here because we got maj toure here you're the founder of black guns matter absolutely and you got a lot to say about this oh my goodness and uh you just happen to be here the same day this this this announcement came down the matrix is real the. The Matrix, the simulation, dude. That's crazy.

It keeps happening to us. Yeah. So anyway, we're going to talk a lot about this. And I think we're just, we got a bunch of other stories we can go through because I really want to talk about Philando Castile and gun rights, guns in general, and Black Lives Matter stuff,

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The Internet was all crazy. Yeah, the glitches. Yeah. The other day, and the audio was all crazy before. We're figuring it out. Somebody changed something in the matrix. Yeah. You know, I'll tell you this, just like as a pointless aside.

When it comes to building computers and like setting up stuff, I often hear, like me and my friends always talk about this. There's like magic. It's a joke. Because we're like, we plug everything in the way it's supposed to go, turn it on, nothing happens. And we're like, we did everything right. And then you unplug it, plug it back in, it works. works right like we i have no idea so we just call it magic like i don't know magic whatever you know simulation magic magic oh it's hardcore right it's magnetic all right so let's let's let's uh let's just get into it man let's talk about the uh the first story so uh for those that are just tuning in, the quick recap earlier today, the AG announced

the cops involved in the Breonna Taylor case will not be indicted in relation to the death of Breonna Taylor. One guy's getting charged, wants an endangerment for firing, I guess, wildly or blindly into other apartments, nearly hitting somebody. And so naturally, now we're seeing civil unrest. We got the story from the New York Post. Civil unrest in Louisville intensifies hours after Breonna Taylor grand jury decision. Obviously, if you're tuning in right now, it's happening literally as we're speaking.

So we're not covering any of this stuff live. And this story is from Five. We've already seen a ton of arrests. We've already seen people deploying shields, a U-Haul pulls up. They start giving out materials. They've clearly been planning for this in advance. The city declared a state of emergency, I think, what was it, like several days ago, saying like no parking in downtown. And they expect it to go nuts. So today's only what, Wednesday? This weekend's going to be absolutely insane, absolutely insane.

So there's a lot to go through here. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm just going to ask you, you're, you, do you know everything that happened with the Brad Taylor case? Yep. And so for those that aren't familiar, this is a Maj Touré. You founded Black Guns Matter. Yep. So this is, uh, what are your thoughts on the Brad Taylor case? Let's throw it to you. First and foremost, um, love and respect to her family, uh, her loved ones, uh, the people that will never see her again brianna taylor um so i think that's it's fair to and respectable to make sure that we we lead with that energy for sure man um secondly the state is 100 responsible for bri Breonna Taylor's death. Unequivocally.

Now, if you want to get into the weeds and the nuance of, you know, the officers and why this part. Now, that's for all of my friends that live in hoods across America. Yes, the state is absolutely responsible for it. Now, when you get into the conversation about the nuance and the objective nature of okay what happened like the facts of the matter right some of my friends may disagree with me especially people that have been the people that will agree with me have probably either been in a shootout shot at someone or shot had someone shoot at them um people that know what rounds do will totally get why someone getting shot at will shoot back oh yeah um so in that sense i want to again lead with my primary thought is the state government which is useless which

does not help. We'll get into that later because we'll disagree. This is going to be fun. They're responsible for that death. And when you get to a point where you have someone issuing, no, not great, not great, whatever, I'm in my house, I don't have to answer my door. Right.

I don't have to. And if I don't answer my door, and whoever's on the other side of that door that doesn't announce exactly who they are and it's not clear who they are if they break into my house i am well within my means to shoot them if you come into my house after a certain time unannounced i'm not answering the door and if you kick my door in i i here's the challenge man i think i read through this stuff i read what cnn had to say I'm unannounced. I'm not answering the door. And if you kick my door in. Here's the challenge, man.

I think I read through this stuff. I read what CNN had to say. I read these like leaked documents. I don't think anybody was wrong. I mean, actually, I would lean more towards the state itself and the system itself was wrong. Yeah. So the cops are told to serve a warrant. They go, they knock on the door.

They say they announced themselves. Witnesses apparently saw them, said what was going on., they knock on the door. They say they announced themselves. Witnesses apparently saw them, said what was going on. Maybe they didn't announce themselves. They said they did. I don't believe them. I think they're liars. Yeah, I think they're liars. I think that just like they lied about saying that they talked to the postmaster,

and the postmaster, they got proof that the mail was coming for the drug dealers and all that to the house, and the postmaster general was like, that's not true. That's not true. They've proven themselves to be liars. They're lying. I do not believe that. Now, unfortunately, regardless of if I believe it or not, Breonna's dead. Then they charged Kenneth Walker for defending his house.

And the only reason why he's out of jail is because people started making an uproar about it. You know what I mean? And any of those officers, if somebody did the same thing in their house, those officers would have did the same thing Kenneth Walker did. So that's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah. You break my door down. So I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be that milquetoast fence around this one, right?

Maybe it's not going to work. But the idea is, let's say the benefit of the doubt to the cops, you disagree, you think they're lying, and I respect that for sure. Because, of course, everyone's going to protect their own interests. Right. Let's say they did yell and Kenneth just didn't hear anything. So all he sees is a door fly open, people breaking his door down, and he's like, my house, my gun, I'm defending myself. It's castle doctrine. Play dumb games, win stupid prizes.

Yeah, you break into my house, I'm defending myself. It's not the first time we've heard stories like this, too. Yep. Where a cop, you know, they'll break in, and they're playing close. And even if they announce themselves, this is why I say, when I say it's not anybody's fault, what I'm trying to say, it's the system's fault. Right. So I agree when you say the state is responsible.

I think it's a system we created. Let's say the cop yells, police, you know, we're coming in. And you don't hear him. And then you see a guy in regular clothes armed with a gun i'm shooting you right exactly even if you do hear him and anyone in the world could be like it's the police open up right exactly they wanted to kill you and then if you open the door and they killed you so like if he thought that someone was coming for him and he heard someone yelling they came in with plain clothes i'm all the way with y'all we all in essence saying the same thing but then i gotta go to why were you lying i cannot leave that part out which would that the police officers saying

and and maybe not those yeah maybe not the specific police officers on scene right but their team starts to lie to protect those officers oh yeah then you have a scenario where you tried to get the uh the ex-boyfriend they tried to present him with the plea deal to lie on brianna taylor damn and saying say she was involved and we'll cut down on your sentence shouts to him for not being a coward and taking the time taking those extra years because he could have got off light but then there's back-to-back lies. The system, the state, lying to protect their own. This speaks to bigger things. So to your point, though, Tim,

if I'm the officer that is getting shot at, from a tactical standpoint, I'm not just shooting. I'm not just returning rounds, right? Especially the first guy that got charged. His charges carry up to five years. That's that's the wanton endangering yes yeah he shot three apartments right right right you don't know what you're doing and the cops actually testified they were telling him to chill out right that was when he was at the door he was like really nervous and agitated and i can't remember the cop which cop it was he was saying bro relax

he's like brett relax relax brett relax right now his name was brett the bigger picture here is okay this was about drugs as an ex drug dealer allegedly right drugs go like this hey man i want some weed hey man i have the weed oh that great. I have the money right here. That's called commerce. And every other case, right, Tim is like, I'm going to rob Maj. Tim robs me. And I go, man, Tim just robbed me. I call the police.

They come get the information. They do the investigation. Not in drug cases. They sit. They lie. They sneak. They put stuff on people. the police they come get the information they do the investigation not in drug cases they sit they lie they sneak they put stuff on people the bigger other question that's not being statement that's not being said is this is another clear-cut example that the war on drugs is an extreme failure oh yeah and in this scenario it cost brianna taylor her life kenneth walker had to be in jail what couldn't even attend you know even attend he had to deal with that

right the law enforcement officers could have got killed one of them got shot in the leg femoral artery and that you will bleed out so these are things that we're making it about these cops I do believe that the one cop that was reckless

yeah I'm cool with that charge the other two that were returning fire, not in three different houses, those guys aren't charged because, yeah, you guys were getting shot at. That's the part that people, the objective part that has to come down. But the bigger issue is, and I want to say shouts to Dr. Paul for presenting legislation that puts an end to no-knock raids. Not that this was that. Right. They handled this the same way that they handled the Zimmerman case. Television made it about the stand your ground.

It wasn't a stand your ground case, like, at all. At all. So the bigger issue is the war on drugs is a complete sham. It's putting respectable law enforcement officers. I am not a statist by any stretch of the imagination. However, I want guys to, if that guy or woman puts that uniform on to say, I'm going to catch some robbers, some rapists, and some unjustified killers today, and I'm going to make the community safer, I salute them. But if you're running around talking about, yeah, we heard that they had drugs, the person that wanted the heroin and this person had the money, you see that it's a failure.

And so I think the bigger picture is having those conversations in that regard. And I have to settle with the fact that, and it hurts. I have to settle with the fact that because of systemic flaws, this young woman will never be able to see her family again right you know you know when you talk about cops lying i've seen it and there was there was a case in new york where i was i was live streaming i'm out in the sidewalk and i was i didn't even realize what was going on but apparently i filmed the dude who got arrested the cops lied so the woman who actually felt the arrest report wasn't the one who made the arrest she claimed he was blocking the road he's on video getting arrested on the sidewalk and i got angry like why was there no

accountability for lying on that police report arresting this dude nothing ever happened from because the state can lie they can lawyers attorney generals district attorneys all of that they can lie on the stand to trick you yeah but if you lie in response, they can charge you. So here's the issue I see. I recognize that. And when I hear stories that, you know, cops will lie to protect each other, yeah, what else is new? People don't hold their own groups accountable, right? Right.

Here's the issue. The far left does the exact same thing. These, like, extremists, these rioters, they smash and burn. And with a smile on their face, they'll lie about everything. They'll claim, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist. And he's just a kid who was coming out. Shouts to Kyle under duress, doing his thing. And lowering his weapon when the dude has hands up.

The last guy who didn't get shot, because two guys put their hands up. This is actually in the lawyers, the video they put out. He puts his hand up and Kyle immediately lowers his weapon yep under duress it's a good point so there's the left will lie they'll claim all these things about him to protect themselves and i see that in every single community i don't care if it's the police i don't care if it's antifa people do this for their their communities whatever it is the problem we have we rely on on police. I know you're going to disagree with me. I never, I will never call the police. Why is that?

My first interaction with law enforcement, and be clear, I've had law enforcement guys, Diana Mueller, who's a three-gun competition shooter, has been one of Black Guns Matter's staunchest supporters. She's a cop, though. And some of the things she's just never going to, I gonna i'm like bro you're heavy-handed on certain issues because you're 20 years ex-law enforcement i have guys that i totally would trust my life with that are law enforcement ken scott perfectus group came down to the solutionary summit instructor of the year in my mind like every year right so it's not that i'm not objective my experience my lived experiences with law enforcement until i started doing the second amendment thing right have been

horrible my first experience with law enforcement i worked at mcdonald's i had a free class i went down in philly i went to the gallery when the gallery was the thing i went to go buy clothes with like my mcdonald's paycheck and come back to class. Cop car pulls in front of me. They put me on the hood of the car. They take the money I got. I got like $200 left, right? They take, they like, yeah, you out here hustling.

I'm like, no, no, no. I work at McDonald's. My uniform's in my bag. I got my check. I just went to the gallery. I'm coming back. It took my money. And they, they be like, all right, go to class.

I was like, damn, you're not going to leave me money for a trans pass? Because I'm high school. I'm taking a train. And they threw me $10 and said, you can get some tokens. That's my first experience with law enforcement at like 15 and a half. That's that civil right, civil forfeiture? You're right. We're taking your money because it wasn't civil.

We're taking your money because it wasn't civil. We're taking your money. We thought you was hustling because I was excited to put the hustler's shirt on that I bought with my hard-earned money coming back to school. I had a free period, a free class. I go. I come back. This is my first experience with law enforcement. And the communities, and I argue on both sides. I get love and hate from both sides because that experience in urban America is a different experience than maybe, maybe, maybe in suburban America. And if I'm in a 10 block radius that I never leave and three out of the 10 cops in my 10 block radius during the time that I'm there, three of those are like horrible humans.

That is my lived experience with law enforcement. Does that is that a scathing indictment of all law enforcement absolutely not so i'm in this weird vin middle of the venn diagram in regards to law enforcement so for me and politics too because you're libertarian right so to me i'm not calling the police until like i shot somebody and i'm calling them to come clean this up and take a report because if I shot somebody was absolutely to pretend to protect life, protect and defend life. And it's a slam dunk. It was like Jason Voorhees. And it was like, clearly, that's the bad guy. My stop, the bad guy. They're going to throw me a party. A police got one. You know, there's been a shooting at wherever i'm wearing a black freedom over everything hoodie send help boop and that's it that's the only reason why i would call law enforcement only because unfortunately um a lot of people do not have the emotional

demeanor and the speak the legalese to deal with law enforcement officers from an objective and logical perspective. And so tensions are high, and it could cost somebody their life. Maybe not even mine. I'm good. I can maneuver with the police easy. But the other five guys around may not see it the same way. I've had a lot of bad experiences with cops.

I mean, I've often talked about how I think most people's interactions with cops are going to be negative because you're getting citations, you're going to take it for jaywalking, for speeding, headlights out, something like that. And rarely is a cop going to be there to actually save you. But I have been saved. I was saved once from a mugging.

I had a guy trying to mug me and it was the stupidest thing because I was broke, my wall was empty, and I'm like, I'm not even carrying anything, dude. Cops came out of nowhere, it was nuts, nuts and grabbed the guy slammed him up against the fence and yelled in his face not in my town it was like really yeah it was like one of the craziest experiences i've ever had and that coming off of i've had cops give me i i've had two i had i got two tickets when i was like 20 and they were both bunk i got pulled over and the cop just lied to the ticket in my face. Lie.

But even then, I still look at, like with all the riots and everything, what do you do if there's no police and there's... Me?

Sure. Yeah, in general. Let me give you a scenario. So ultimately, I feel like I'm for police reform. Yeah. We definitely got to figure out

if the cops are lying and not being held accountable, yeah, they got to be held accountable. Yeah. If they're lying under oath, we can't have that. Right. Because the system is broken if that's the case. And it happens too much.

But I think a lot of what we see in terms of, you know, people who get shot because a cop freaks out, we need better training. Yep. That means more funding. We need better programs. If you want social workers, then I think one of the ideas, I think you had this idea, Ian, like having a social worker with a cop, which means adding to the police, not taking away from. So I look at it this way. I think there's issues.

I think we definitely can have conversations to reform and figure these things out. We want to make sure we recognize that cops are people. They have their perspective. They're humans. Exactly. And I think a lot of them are underpaid. Like, seriously, in New York, it's bad. So they don't even care because they're like, for this job, I'm not risking anything. perspective. They need to be humans. Exactly. And I think a lot of them are underpaid. Like seriously, in New York, it's bad. So they don't even care because they're like, for this job,

I'm not risking anything. I'm going to shoot first ask questions later because I get paid 30k a year. If you shoot first ask questions later, I want to hurry up, get you your day in court and send you to jail. Right. Immediately. I don't care if that's an American citizen. As a gun owner, I don't go anywhere without a gun. I carry allegedly unlawfully in new york in new jersey in chicago and compton and wherever wherever if anyone that's with me uses their firearm shoot first ask questions later i want my homie to have his day in court and go to jail okay these bullets much like toothpaste the bullets don't go back in. Right. You know, the rounds don't go back in a barrel. The toothpaste don't go back in a tube. So I am going to say the gist of what I was saying is, yeah, I think we need police.

I think you do. But I think that. You don't need as many. I think that if there's less laws,'s too many laws that's true too the laws what laws are is a person with a gun at the end of you not complying to force you that's why it's called law enforcement and if the laws are unjust like slavery was law like right this is cool so harriet tubman going like nah bro it's a contradiction yeah they were well within their rights to kill harriet tubman if you name if we want to be honest if we want to be honest as americans all of our heroes were outlaws ge George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King. We were talking about Gandhi, Gandhi. All of these guys and women were rebels. We're like, no, this is morally repugnant and incorrect. Law enforcement, not peace officers like it used to be, not sheriffs, not deputizing constables from the community as it should be.

Law enforcement has turned into a over militarized racket to generate revenue for the state. And when we have so many laws, you're saying your tickets, right? Yeah. Oh, your headlight is out. Come on, bro. your headlight is out come on bro what like in reality you giving me a ticket and charging me money for that if i didn't get the headlight fixed i probably don't have money so you're charging me more money for having the headlight out and it's going to make the quality of life of americans better how i'd like it if your ticket to get your headlight fixed you didn't

have to pay it if you got your headlight fixed. I think that's actually do that. Is it every time? Like the problem is you got to go to court. So there are court fees. Well, I don't know about court fees in these circumstances, but probably because I've only had a couple experiences. But I'm pretty sure in many circumstances, like your headlights out, get it fixed. And then you go to the court and you show them you got it fixed.

And they're like, you're free to go. But why? Why not police officers just saying hey man you got a taillight you got a headlight out probably because you'll never get it fixed if there's no if there's no incentive or okay if that's the case right if you won't get it fixed if there's no incentive let's go with that theory it just looks trash bro and. And you'll go, I'll fix it. And if there's like, if, if I want to drive with one headlight, just play it like I'm a motorcycle, a motorcycle has one headlight. The problem is we keep asking the state to correct us or tell us when we're wrong. And it ties, I know we kind of going out in the weeds, but to bring it back,

it's this is why you have more and more laws where we have to depend on more and more police to do things that, again, like we're talking about taking a social worker with a police officer. They did that somewhere where like the arrests like dropped or something like that. The reality is we do not need more police officer or more policing.

We need more freedom. We need less laws. Well, I'll tell you what. This was a joke tweet, but it's a fact. I think it was like a truism. If you abolish all laws, there will be no more crime. Right. But here's the other thing.

So look at Portugal, right? A few years ago, Portugal was like, yo, you want to do drugs? That's on you. Don't look to us to chase you about it. Don't look to us to help you. We'll redirect some of the money that we have that we were locking people up for, for this. We're going to put it into, if you want to get a rehab, we'll, instead of us spending X amount for locking people up, right? We're going to spend a fraction of that for the people that want some help like once.

Yeah, the drug war. Gone. Nixon basically created the drug war to go after the black panthers and the hippies. So he created laws that he knew they were using weed and he was way easier to arrest. But weed was already illegal. Weed was illegal before that. Before that first guy, no lie,

the psychological origin of cannabis decriminalization in America was this one dude that wanted, I forget his name. He wanted to listen to this. Will you read it all first? Yeah.

He said, marijuana makes white women want to sleep with negro jazz musicians that is the origin of cannabis criminalization in america look it up yeah oh yeah william randall first and he had the newspapers he had the paper mills so he was able to print the propaganda exactly so saying is to say now okay with 40 50 however many years in did you win this war no and then they made everything illegal yeah then they went after lsd and other drugs in the 60s and 70s meanwhile the founding fathers owned entire hemp farms it is a contradiction george washington's eyes on the one dollar bill he looks stone

looks like a dude that smoked for 40 years. Blasted. So hold on, hold on. Let me ask you, man. Where'd you grow up? Can I ask you? Philly. Philly.

North. Do you think that... With an F. N-O-R-F. I grew up in Chicago. Yeah. And my experience with cops in Chicago, very bad. My experience with cops in smaller towns and suburbs...

Great. Phenomenal. Amazing. Amazing, amazing. Especially sheriffs. Yeah. And I think Amazing, amazing, amazing. Especially sheriffs. Yeah. And I think you made that point. You elect sheriffs.

Yep. So they're accountable. They got to get those votes. They got to be careful. Right. In Chicago, I felt like you're faceless. They don't know you. They don't care.

And so I think one of the issues is that, once again, even when it comes to the gun debate, urban versus rural. Yeah. People who live out in the middle of nowhere are like, don't take my guns. I need it. What am I going to do? I can't call the cops. People who live in cities are like, the cops are right there.

I can call them if I need to. You know what I mean? So people who live out in rural areas, even in suburban areas, where you've got smaller departments, you've got – and even some of these smaller suburban departments are militarized. It's crazy. They've got MRAPs, armored vehicles and all that stuff even uh so so you have a lot of these people who have a more positive experience they're not going to understand what's going on in cities right and why people in cities are upset but the same is true in the other direction right so when these people are like we're going to abolish the police yeah that's like i get it man but you're you're you're going from zero to 100 in two seconds.

Abolishing the police and still making everything lawful is very simple. There should be police, and this part is my opinion. There should be police for crimes with actual victims. Agreed. So, like, I think Trump should pardon. We've talked about this. Like, nonviolent drug offenders. Get out of here.

Review them to make sure they weren't pleading down. You might have a guy who beat the crap out of somebody but then took a plea. This is where I disagree. I believe that you go to jail for the thing that you are sentenced for. You have a trial by jury of your peers. And they go, you know what, Tim? That time you robbed Maj, we got to give you you two years and tim's behind bars for two years tim eats works out tim comes out super duper swole tim should be able to get back to his life i agree i now now to me this is where again

objectivity and people get upset i don't care what your crime is. I don't care. If he's outside, he's not a danger to society. If he is a danger to society, he's not outside. I don't know, man. What if he's a pedo? This is where it gets hairy. Right. Because these people will reoffend. And if they do, they go back to jail.

Now, this is. So. But I can't. It's like Thomas Paine said. I can't. Let's be clear. I think pedophiles are weirdos that. I want to say this without incriminating myself.

If you're a pedophile. And I catch you. It's going to be a bad day for you. Yeah. Or a last day for you. Or a last day for you. Potentially. You never know.

It's the roll of the dice. With that being the case. Because I don't want to say it's like premeditated. This is all hypothetical. Right, right, right. Right? In defense of someone else. In defense of another life.

Right? I believe that that pedophile that I think is the scum of the earth should go to jail, should come outside, and he's paid his debt to society. Do you believe in the death? Do you support the death penalty? Yes. What would you give the death penalty for? For death.

You kill somebody, you get the death penalty? Yep. If it's unjustified, like the weirdo, what's the kid that they took to Burger King? Dylann Roof. Yeah. Right? We're not wasting a bunch of time here. Let's give him a trial by jury.

I'm extremely hard on people that take life. I'm extremely hard on people that rape. And for rape, I would have a different set of things but death for me would be people that kill people you know rape's interesting one because there's two kinds of there's statutory rape and then there's forced intercourse and they're completely different experiences as someone that was falsely accused of statutory rape, that's an area with rape in general, but more specifically both of those, I'm like, yo, we got to fine-tooth calmness. Because I know a dude that just came home for like 40 years for rape. Statutory rape? Regular.

See, I think we should change what that's called, statutory rape, into another word. I think that rape is and my home girls are always upset me except we when i say this i think rape is forcible you know remember when aziz ansari the comedian um you had a bad date yeah the girl said like he didn't threaten me he didn't make me feel uncomfortable but like she wound up you know giving him fellatio twice that night and then she told her homegirl was like yo i think like i didn't like it and she's like oh girl you were raped and the homegirl that she was talking to like wrote a piece on it yeah mind you he didn't she by her own admission is like he didn't force me he didn't threaten me he didn't make me feel

uncomfortable after the fact now he's gonna's going to – that's not rape. Well, she did say she felt uncomfortable. You felt uncomfortable, but you give him a BJ twice? Because he did this? Like, hey. So I'll tell you right now, like, it's really interesting. You consider yourself a libertarian. Absolutely.

I'm a libertarian that has strong conservative values. Right. That's what I thought was interesting. You mentioned you were for the death penalty. Aren't libertarians mostly against it? Yeah, they are. Mostly. A lot of libertarians are against border security.

Right, exactly. They're for borders. I'm with borders with nations that if – okay, so like there's really really really beautiful women in India in Japan right I can't like Japan's not gonna let me go over there and just hang out forever after that visa's up Japan's gonna be like okay bro time to get out of here if your nation doesn't let me hang out forever in your town, then our nation shouldn't let you hang out in our town. So, and you can't have

no open borders in like a welfare state. Everybody, you won't have a nation after that. Exactly. That's like Sweden. You're right. Because if everybody's getting,

if everyone's getting access to a social program and you're not from the town and they're not refilling that. It would be like if you had a big pizza and you said anybody can come in and take the pizza, but only you got to pay for it. It's like, well, I'm going to stop paying for it. Right. You can't.

Well, eventually there's no pizza left for anybody. So that libertarian and strong, and a lot of conservatives call themselves conservatives, but they're really statists. Right. They're just Trump supporters that are riding the wave of President Trump. Right. Or they're statists right they're just trump supporters that are riding the wave of president trump right or their status they're not um define status like what do you mean it's like a boot licker a person that you know is well the government let me tell you i'm sorry man yeah the people when those cops came and took the guns from the mccloskeys yeah i was out i was furious right they didn't They didn't do anything wrong.

According to the law, according to the AG. Right. They were defending their property. People broke onto their property. And the cops came. And the McCloskeys were like, turn around so no one sees you. And I'm like, no, these guys came and stole your guns, dude. Now, here's the funny thing.

I agree with you. I think they were unsafe. When I see the wife. Oh, yeah, dude. For sure. Three knuckles deep going go go like waving the gun that's what she that's what they lose me if they would have been at the lower first of all you got a scar face house with like a balcony like you can like be out the balcony

and like you got the high ground listen listen man i disagree you know why i think i i get what you're saying about her you know walking and pointing yeah but if you if you if you live on your house you have a right to bear arms you do we can't we can't we can't be like you have to have a certain skill level no no no i'm not saying i'm not saying i absolutely don't think that they their firearms should have been taken i right right right absolutely i'm not trying to i'm saying as a as a as a person that deals with conflict got to, so you know how they'd be like, well, we got to look at the full story, right? The full story.

They didn't break that gate down. Now, did they trespass because they walked through where a sign was posted? Yes, they did. The back, further back story is they weren't going to the McCluskey's house. They were still on like a public street

in a private neighborhood. It was a private street. It was a private street. It's a private street, but not like on the McClusluskey's like porch right right they were going past the mccluskey's house because a few days before that the mayor of that town lived in that town the mayor doxed like protesters on the literally read their addresses literally so okay you're reading our addresses out so we're gonna come to your address now They did trespass because it was a private community.

They did not like television was like, oh, they just shook the door and broke the gate down. I have the video of them. Like some dude like with like, oh, he looked like he was from the purge, like a black suit on, like opening the door. And he's holding it open for. Yeah. Now you still did trespass because you crossed past that threshold somebody somebody did break the gate though yes but because there's footage not the people that initially walked in so they were walking past the McCluskey's house the McCluskey's

to their uh to their uh perspective saw all of these people and they're like what the hell is going on so they go out on their on their Now, I disagree with them from a safety and conflict resolution standpoint. Me, even if I completely disagreed with all those people walking past, I'm going to de-escalate. Even if I would have came out and went, you don't know what I think in my head. They would have kept walking past the house. Now, do the McCluskeys have to do that? No, they don't know what I think in my head. They would have kept walking past the house. Now, do the McCluskeys have to do that? No, they don't. Where they lost me was when they started waving firearms at Americans

and their lives were not in imminent danger. That whole, like, fear for my life thing. If you and I, as lawful and safe gun owners, we don't get to use, you can in some states. I, because I can and should I, are two different things, could and should. I'm not pulling my firearm out until it's time to shoot Jason Voorhees.

So you're not supposed to point at something unless you're ready to destroy it. Yep. So in that, yeah, I think the McCloskeys were violating a few of the cardinal rules. Right. But they said these people were threatening them,

saying, we're going to take your house, we're going to burn it, that's going to be my room, things like that. And let me ask you another question. If you were in your house and then you saw a large angry group come onto private property and...

Are they walking past? You don't know there's just a large group and they're headed they're had your direction i gotta watch and you see a dude pull out something that looks like a long black barrel and start pointing at your house what do you do me yeah i watch and i get covering if they if they if they point that at you you're not gonna get low ready you're not gonna pull out your gun you're not gonna say hey yo what are you doing no if i'm first of all in that scenario i'm not coming outside tactically it's dumb to do that that's like if somebody breaks into my house i have a plan someone breaks into my house depending on

what floor they're on and if it's late at night i'm i my family already has the plan of what we're going to do everybody's going to locate in this room i got the ar ready i'm going to yell out we're armed the police have been called please leave once they get past a certain point I am gonna swish cheese them

now for me in that scenario that you give some guys outside I don't know if it's a firearm or not it looks like

300 people 300 people and they walk in past until you don't know they're walking past I don't know that I have to watch some people are yelling

we're gonna burn your house down cool yell all day and then some dude takes this long black thing and he points it right at it. Cool. Do it. I can find concealment and cover in my house. From a tactical and strategic standpoint, that's what I do. Would you fault someone

for assuming that if someone, you know, in this mob and someone has something that looks like a long black barrel, would you fault someone for thinking I got to defend myself? Yeah, but you don't defend yourself by going towards the gun that's stupid that tells me that that person doesn't have training and i think that's obvious yeah like it's just doing this the reason i ask is because there's a photo and a lot of people get this wrong yeah i've seen this this photo around a guy's holding a uh what looks like a shotgun mic a long shotgun and if

you don't know anything about cameras, people are looking at this, and there's a guy literally holding a long black barrel and pointing it at him. And I see that, and I'm like, he's got a shotgun mic on a DSLR. It's a camera. The McCloskeys might have saw that, and were like, they're screaming at us.

They're saying, we're going to burn your house down. They didn't say that until after they came outside, though. See, the McCloskeys escalated that. And I'm not saying they're on. Be clear. They're on their property. I don't think that their gun should have been confiscated. But they are not safe and responsible gun owners.

From a tactical perspective, you have the high ground. You have a stone house. You have concealment and cover. You have rifles. You have the element of surprise. You didn't take a second to wait and watch. Now, if it's they come through the gate, they shooting, absolutely get busy. Absolutely.

But that's not what happened. I feel like the challenge is, I definitely hear what you're saying. I feel like the challenge is, what if somebody's a gun owner and they're just really dumb but they're on their property there's a crowd there like i you know the challenge is if you go to somebody else's house yeah and they're scared yeah even if they're they have no idea how to use a gun they're holding it backwards and pointing at themselves or whatever it's like well no i don't fault them at all yeah the where but I think your points are fair like they come out they've got the rifle

and she's pointing it waving it the teachable moment is I want the McCluskeys to get training for sure and I don't I don't want

I don't want I'm glad that no one was harmed I'm glad that it spoke to a bigger picture do I think that the state should have showed up to take their guns? Absolutely not. I think that was like political theater. I don't think they're going to like face charges.

No. I see two bootlickers, two different kinds of bootlickers right now. You've got people cheering on as the cops seize the weapon from gun owners who for all their faults had a legal right to defend their property. But then you've got the other side. You've got these businesses. And this one, I'm actually, I empathize and I feel bad. You've got businesses that literally get ransacked by anti-far leftist writers and then come out and say, but we support them.

That's bootlicking too. I get it. I get why. So bootlicking has to be so the term yes i agree somewhat but the terminology and how the term bootlicking is used is tied to the state i get it for sure but yes but i also understand there's guys that my business has insurance they're gonna cake up that's not so in minneapolis that's maybe not right so all of these businesses because a handful of them there's a big story about this the the rubble removal yeah exceeded

the cost that insurance covered because most people didn't think they were going to have to deal with a pile of smoldering rubble right right so it's like they're done they're gone forever now it's like their lives are destroyed right and those are the areas where that black lives Matter movement, it started from Ferguson. Well, Black Lives Matter was Trayvon Martin. Even before Trayvon. Trayvon and Mike Brown in Ferguson. Darren Seals.

There was a group of people. I went to Ferguson, talked to Mike Brown's dad, talked to Darren Seals, who was a very powerful figure. There's video of him saying, because it turned from the Ferguson movement to Black Lives Matter. It got co-opted. Years ago, before he was murdered, shot in the head, shot in a vehicle. I went to where his dad was no not mike brown oh darren seals oh wow three of the five men that started that ferguson movement three of them have been murdered two of them shot in their car darren seals his car set on fire

the ferguson police department is calling it a suicide not even investigating it i went to i went to that ferguson market there's still law enforcement posted up at the ferguson market i asked those law enforcement they're like yeah they knew that they knew that there were two sets of videos they sent one to the department of justice all of these different things my point in saying that is even darren seal said years ago five six years ago black lives matter as the organization just got five hundred thousand dollars from google it is not what we it's been co-opted five six years ago what's what's up with this defensive looting stuff man because you're talking to a group of people that have been that experience

that i have with law enforcement and your experience with law enforcement we're not getting that same feeling from the suburban areas with law enforcement and if that has been your lived experience for decades for the length of time you're not going to come across police officers for like a bunch but if you come across them five times and four of them are trash and you have no experience of the other good officers, so it becomes like, yo, you got to remember, we don't own these buildings in the places that we live. Yeah, but, I mean, people do. And I get you. Look at that firefighter.

You know about the firefighter in Minneapolis? It was his dream. He saved up all his money, opened a sports bar, and they burn it. They set it on fire. He shows up the next day. They're literally stealing his safe as he's arriving, and the news crews are filming. He's crying. They end up launching a GoFundMe for this guy.

The next day, the whole building was completely demolished. The rioters and looters came back, destroyed everything. So let's talk about this. It's not the vast majority of the people from the community doing this. Right. Let me tell you a quick story. Sure. And the reason I bring this up. let's talk about this it's not the vast majority of the people from the community doing this right let me let me tell you a quick story sure and the reason i bring this up i was in ferguson when the riots were happening i got there like a like a day or two after they burned down that gas station and when the riots like reignited and this looting started a bunch of young black men linked arms and

protected that market correct and this uh i was i was standing i was I'm standing right next to these guys, and I'm with this dude who was previously with Al Jazeera. He's now with, I believe he's with Vice. And he asked them, what are you guys doing? Why are you linking arms? And he said, these people looting don't live here. We do. These people are taking advantage of us.

Yes. And he's like, but guess what? The media is defending those people. Correct. In defense of looting. So they're coming from outside. They're attacking these poor people who are desperate. You know what really, really made me angry, dude?

To see these young men facing down an angry mob saying, back off. It's our store. And then all these lefty publications brought these stories saying, actually, they were looting to fight back against capitalism. Lying. Yeah. Media. Most effective devil in America. Now they got a book a book called defensive looting npr interviews the author when i say when i say a few weeks ago i was in i was in philly i was at copa on 40th and what is that

chestnut or something like that west philly 40th street as i'm sitting outside having drinks, about 40 or 50 all-black Antifa start walking past. I'm strapped, so I'm good. I will light y'all all the way up if anything get goofy out here. Because PA's got good gun laws, right? Yeah, and I'm going to be a legend. Listen, I'm like Leonidas. I cannot, if I die in defense of freedom, you know how, like, that's nothing more honorable to me. Valhalla.

You know what I'm saying? I got all, I'm floating in the pearly gates with, here comes like all of the hot girls of every universe are coming my way. But I want to make sure we stress right now, you're saying you would die defending it. Absolutely. Not killing a bunch of people. No, not defending it. Right, right, right. And so I'm good.

I'm confident in my skill set. So they're walking, and they got on all black. But I'm like, it's clearly like, y'all are white dudes. Totally. Y'all are totally white dudes. And I said, yo, it's no black people out. They got the bats. They got the bats.

It's like a scene from The Purge. Right, right. And I'm having my copacabra. Like, I'm chilling. And I'm like, yo, y'all all white. We're the black dudes. And it was one dude that happened to be black. He was like, we out here.

I'm like, no, you're out here. Yeah. The remaining 49 is like suburban white dudes. And I said, y'all trying to get. Y'all got that Soros money, huh? And literally the dude says, we trying to. Another dude says, we're trying to. Another dude says, we're trying to. They're joking though, man.

I lied to you now. And I'm so mad that I didn't think, I didn't want to have a phone in my hand because they had bats. I don't want to have a phone in my hand if I got to, you know, get busy. So one of the dudes goes over to, if I'm lying, I'm flying. I swear, if anybody listening wants to do some independent journalism, Allegro's is the pizza shop across the street there's one of these dudes with a bat goes over to the atm thing and starts trying to hit it i get up i'm like yo leave it alone y'all not from here y'all going to get my community i'm not even from west philly y'all going to get my community called out for this. Leave it alone. And they leave.

And they leave. The people that's doing this. Come on, bro. It's pallets of bricks just conveniently left at places. So y'all are bussing people in. The media debunked all of that. What? The pallets of bricks just conveniently placed. Bro, that's the same thing as saying like, I got video of it.

That's the same thing as saying like, my homie saying, yo, Maj, look, I'm FaceTiming you. See this crate of guns in Chicago? No, that's not a thing. I'm not saying the media's right. Yeah. Here's what I love, right? I don't want to get sidetracked, so we'll try and look this back. But when we had Tucker Carlson had this woman on, she's a whistleblower.

Yeah. She said that she worked at the University of Hong Kong. She knows that China released covet or whatever tucker carlson had her on and he gets flagged it's fake news they they put warnings and blocks on his on a bunch of his content yeah and then also the media starts claiming that he had on a conspiracy theory and i'm like well hold on hold on personally i don't believe it i really i don't believe it was like a bioweapon or anything like that but who why do we get to choose which expert is a real expert and which expert isn't? Who are the fact checkers?

So I'll tell you my personal bias. I think, you know, again, I don't want to derail into COVID stuff. I'm like, look, man, if you tell me that there was an unsanitary market where they're like got all this really nasty stuff going on and then some like virus emerged from it, I'm going to be like, it's a simple solution, man. It makes sense. However, I do see the problem of the media in that you can have Trump come out

and be like, here's a handful of studies that say this thing is a good thing and then the media just says it's not. So the media doesn't get to be the arbiter of truth simply for saying it. Right.

So that was my point of reference to the bricks lying around everywhere. All they did for the most part was say, oh, it's actually not true because we were told it's not true. Right. So I get flagged for stuff like i posted what ruth bader ginsburg said in regards to getting a nominee for scotus during the last year of the thing right right she said it it's not me i'm not

like fake quoting her you're not mitch mcconnell you didn't come out right like complain about mary garland no i just quoted what she said. Instagram's like, oh, well, this is partially true because the date. Bro, cut it out. Dude. Cut it out. Dude, dude, you know what they did to me? What? I tweeted.

So when the Virginia Giuffre leaks came out about Epstein. Yeah. I tweeted something to the effect of Bill Clinton was in these flight logs and now a witness has ID'd him as having been on the island. This would be big news journalism is dead it's just political advocacy at this at this point somebody took a screenshot it got like 10 000 12 000 retweets somebody screenshotted it posted it to facebook where this fact-checking company which is only a couple guys apparently but they get this access called it fake false information yep and so when i went to the i looked at it and said here's the

fact check the fact check. The fact check said everything I claimed was 100% correct. Yet they still put the fake tag on it. Media, most effective devil in America. These are all reasons why when I go say things like the Breonna Taylor scenario, like COVID, like this, like that. The media for a very long time has been the arm of whatever political side of the government. So you'll get this part extreme, you'll get that part extreme. So when law enforcement says, oh, we knocked on the door. When, you know, law enforcement says, oh, it wasn't us that dropped a bomb in philadelphia on a like residential

block i don't believe you now if you prove to me that you're accurate i'll go eat my hat but and but believe you this is a this is a big a big ethical challenge too because so i would say idealistically like when i take those political compass tests, I'm left libertarian. And I get really offended when people claim Antifa is left libertarian. They're not. The hippies are. The people chilling on the farm enjoying the sun and minding their own business. Right.

And so realistically, though, when it comes to policy, I become more of a liberal because I think we do need more authority. And I'll tell you. What do you mean by more authority? I'm not saying authoritarianism and I'm not even saying most authority just a little bit right so what you mean you mean a little bit more or a little bit like a limited government I'm saying a little bit more I think you need a little bit more authority than libertarianism that's my that's my opinion okay and so the the example I think that everyone loves to cite is I don't know if you ever heard

it's like the the shopping cart And so the example I think that everyone loves to cite is, I don't know if you've ever heard, it's like the shopping cart problem. That the shopping cart is the perfect example of human civilization. You use it. The shopping cart is a free thing for you to use. You get your stuff. You're allowed to carry your stuff to your car. And then all you've got to do is put it in the corral. You've got to walk 10 feet.

But guess what people do? They just kick it. They just dump it on the ground in a random spot. And they were like, there's no obligation to do it. The only reason you should is because it would be better for everyone else. But people still choose not to. And so I'm not... So here is a serious ethical conundrum that I often think about is recognizing where the lines are in terms of when do we say people are too stupid and or when do we say let them do whatever they want and so to clarify when people were living you know very far apart and there were very few people you have a bigger bubble of freedom

you have more space right so one of the reasons i want to move out to the middle of nowhere where we are now is that i can go my backyard and i can set up my archery practice and everything i've got to worry about neighbors because there's nothing around me it's great i watch these videos of people firing guns and like they walk out into their open space and they've got the the rain set up with all the dirt and all that stuff and i'm like you can't do that in a city yeah the closer you get to other people the more your bubble starts shrinking and you're the amount of freedom you get starts shrinking and it's because we're desperately trying to accommodate each other and then you start stacking laws on top of laws i think that's the problem is people

live too smashed together so i do agree with that in in regards to you have to be whoa sorry bro yeah we got breaking news what 30 seconds ago police off so this is legit where's this from luke rudkowski of we Are Chains just tweeted, breaking. Police officer shot near protest in Louisville, Kentucky. The video we have, we have it pulled up. Oh, okay. So it doesn't show anything graphic. It's just a shaky video.

People are yelling. I don't know what's going on. Let's, I want to be very careful here. This is breaking, coming from Luke Rutkowski. So you got to understand whenever it comes to, whenever it comes to uh whenever it comes to breaking news everybody got to realize information will change so we're live right now we're talking about this and of course we're tracking this information i'll tell you this

is why i want to live in the middle of nowhere too dude yeah but anyway oh i'm out in 2022 i'm i'm i'm i'm thanos on my planet thanos you have your garden but are you going to kill half the population before you go to your farm? If I don't have to, hopefully not. You know what I'm saying? So, okay. So, anyway, we're going to keep tracking the breaking news. Lady will keep an eye on it.

But let's go back to that point. We're talking about liberty, authority, how much space you had. I agree in that you have to be – it's like shooting. I have to be more – if I have open space my yosemite sam dude bang bang bang i know that any direction is a you know more than likely not a human or not something that i'm willing to destroy i know my target and what's beyond it you can't do that when there's more people around so i do agree there i don't think that your freedom not the act of owning guns that doesn't shrink the where i shoot them because there's more people around as a safe responsible gun owner

that does shrink so it's it's this is interesting i remember remember when they banned cigarettes everywhere like when they go yeah is it when they started saying you can't smoke inside bars oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like no not not a no zone, but like no in this whole building. Man, I remember this because this was going down in Chicago when I was like, I think I was late teens or like early 20s. I don't remember how old I was, but it was like around the time Obama was running and stuff. So I'm like, I'm this urban liberal. I had my teenage angst punk rock phase, and then I started to age out. I became more of a

liberal like oh Obama but when I heard what they were doing with banning cigarettes I immediately was like why are they banning people from smoking and they're like oh because it's bad for you and I was like so don't go to the bar and they're like but what if I want to go to the bar then go to a different bar and they're like but all the bars allow smoking I'm like then open a bar that doesn't simple but instead they pass a law banning all restaurants. You know what they did? I was in Arizona. This is awesome. I was hanging out with a friend of mine. She was a bartender. They cut a tiny one

square foot hole in the roof to be classified as outdoors. And I'm like, it's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You made them take a saw and cut through their roof and now you're still going to allow them to operate like a normal bar. It's the dumbest thing. But you know what's beautiful about that? So let's go back to that.

You made a law that now, as a person that smokes cigars, I smoke cigars. If I smoke this cigar and don't put it out and then don't leave, you'll call a person with a gun to potentially come kill me for smoking the cigar. Well, it's because inhaling the smoke is... See, I disagree with you guys. I used to work at a bar, and I was economically bound to it.

So when they couldn't smoke inside, I was able to breathe. My life expectancy went up, I'm sure. My dad used to smoke in the house, and it was just awful. Then my mom made him smoke outside. It was so much better. But my aunt and uncle still smoked in the house. I didn't horrible. Then my mom made them smoke outside. It was so much better. But my aunt and uncle still smoked in the house. I didn't ever want to go over to their house. It was just disgusting trying to eat in a restaurant when people were smoking across

the room. Go eat somewhere else. You can't. But every restaurant you could smoke at, it was disgusting. Don't eat out. I think it's the greatest ban. That's on you, dude. Yeah, don't eat out.

Basically, it was like if you don't want to participate in society or open a restaurant that says we don't allow smoking so for example right liberty the mass freedom over everything that right so you you sorry bro unless you like the kid that's like ryan like you're 14 you're not getting 20 million, so it's over for you to 18. But in that scenario, right, the free market is the answer. Take the mask thing. I don't want to wear a mask. I think that this is a sham. I think that it's real because I immediately started a group chat with, like, people that worked in the ER, paramedics, virologists, people that are way smarter than me saying, hey, what's going on?

What is happening here? And they're like, no, no, no, it's real. This is how people are dying. But media is making it way bigger than what it is. So early on, I was like, yep, not doing it. With the mask, I agree because I can't smell it. I'm not physically affected. Whether I'm told I'm physically affected by it, I don't know.

It's really simple. The mask is smoke. The mask is another world. The mask is just so you don't spit on people. Right. It's so you can just not spit on people. Well, no, no. People don't realize, man.

They really don't. Like people talk and spit happens. Here's the thing. Spits being happening. The death. Now that we have data. Right. I get in the beginning.

You're nervous about man this is unprecedented cool i'm with you but then i was at my bunker i was like oh this is what we trained for i thought it was remember how youtube was snatching off all of the like people in china were like just passing out like yeah falling and then when it gets snatched off of youtube i'm like bro like that was crazy it was gone because they couldn't breathe and they're just falling over and so I was like I went to my bunker and I was like yeah man this might be like The Walking Dead this might be it I don't know about The Walking Dead but we

were like this is it serious man yeah now me I was like I got too many rounds I'm ready and so How many rounds per gun? They say you should have at least 1,000 per gun. I think you were saying that, right? Yeah. Anyway, continue, continue. So I said, let me wait to the McCluskey's point. I was like, just wait a little bit.

Just wait and see. And I said, if I see two people in Philly drop out, oh, it's go time. Nobody dropped. I'm looking at nobody dying. I'm looking at the inconsistencies in the story. I had people that worked at hospitals telling me the CDC was changing the guidelines. I'm like, oh, no, this is trash. There were too many holes in the story. So I made a choice to go, yeah'm not wearing it and then i made myself the guinea pig i went to all of the hot spots all of them i've been to miami orlando the libertarian convention was in orlando i jet skied i went to texas like three times i've been to every hot spot for new york every hot spot in in America twice since this started.

No mask. Got on airplanes, no mask, no mask, no mask. The airlines didn't make you do it. In the beginning. Now they on some like, hey, man. And I'm like, yo, this is stupid, right? So what I did was I was like, I don't want to argue with y'all every time I get on a plane. And technically, even y'all took a lot of government bailout money.

You technically are kind of a private entity, but you're not. But I'm going to go get an RV. And that's what I did. This is a really good discussion for like liberal versus libertarian. Not that libertarians are all like, like liberal typically refers to like a center left. And the way I view it is if, maybe if I had more faith in humanity, I would just stick to straight up libertarian ideal ideals. I think the mask is a good example of where we probably disagree. My attitude is just wear the mask.

Like I hear a lot of people say like it's, you know, it's why it's not it's not a big deal. It's just you choose your battles. You know what I mean? You choose when to fight i i view it kind of like being stealthy and being uh you know uh i don't want to say subversive but uh stealthy i guess easy way to put it no one can see me i can move a little bit easier right right right i don't want to i don't i don't want to start fights for no reason i want to make sure that everything i do is targeted specific and i'm on a mission but it's not for no reason i want to make sure that everything i do is targeted specific and i'm on a mission but it's not for no reason do you like so based on after the data comes out right the data's come out even the cdc's like okay bro you got us well so there's there's there's uh

there's political social and physical reasons right right so i think right now when you look at the death rate there's two perspectives one it's like we crushed the curve man 15 days of slow the spread turned into 170 is ridiculous right this is this now we're just destroying the economy so why are we complying with it in a symbolistic way no that's the lockdowns though but that's the lockdowns are based on it's true it's true and the masks that those are part and parcel so so if there's a compliance, it's in wearing a mask. Compliance is, you know, noncompliance is Dr. King going like, because I'm pretty sure there was some people going, first of all, the mask thing isn't, this is a rerun.

The anti-mask people happened back in the day with polio, especially like in Philly. You know what I mean? And Spanish flu. Spanish flu. Excuse me, day with polio especially like in philly yeah you know what i mean and spanish spanish flu excuse me i said polio so the not wearing the mask isn't that it's not for nothing it's i'm not complying with something that's not based in science it's not what you lied to me about i disagree you lie they lied they lied the models were based on things but well hold on hold on so i the challenge is, were they wrong?

Yes. So that's different from a lie. No, no, no, no. Initially, the first person, you guys know that this, the guy that over in, what was it, Oxford, that was like, hey, this is how many people could die if we do nothing. Oh, that, that, that, that, that. Right, right, right. That was the entire model. Models are what you use as predictions when you don't have data.

Let me just. So that guy was wrong. They based their number off of that. Fauci knew Mr. Devious. He straight up said, we told people not to wear masks because we were worried medical professionals wouldn't be able to get them. Which is a lie. Well, right. Exactly, exactly.

And he keeps lying. So what we have as the overarching theme in tonight's episode is government officials consistently lying. Well, with the mask, I agree with kind of both you guys. I think it's you don't know whether they're right or they're wrong, so why are you being forced to do it? But when you're talking about smoking, I want to go back to smoking. Because if we want to talk about government making laws for people and overreaching, I think this is a system where if one person wants to screw it up for everyone else, we have to make laws so that they can't.

Because people are selfish and drugs are addictive. Some drugs, especially nicotine. No. Oh, yeah. This is what got rid of peanuts on airplanes. That's taken it a little far. But that's what they did. Because too many peanut shells? No, no. Because is what got rid of peanuts on airplanes. That's taken it a little far. But that's what they did, right? Because too many peanut shells?

No, no, because people were allergic to peanuts. Ricky, I think it's Ricky Gervais. I'm talking about a cigarette. I'm talking about smoke in the air. You've seen his bit on this? That's also different than smoke. He's like, no, I can't eat peanuts. No, because the peanut dust can get in the air and it can kill somebody.

Oh, I see. So, look, man, I understand maybe the peanut thing because you got a lot of people allergic to peanuts. And if you're in a closed cabin with recirculated air, you can die. We're basically saying this group of people can't fly. Did you hear – what's his name? What's the comedian's name with the red hair? Louie. Did you hear –

Whoa, dude. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry, man. We're going to take this breaking story. Let's just go for it, dude. Breaking news, everybody. Shots. This is from the Police Tribune.

Is this a verified source? BlueLivesMatter.blue. This is a verified NewsGuard source. Okay, it's not giving me the actual breakdown. Two officers down. Two cops down. And Louisville? Shots fired at Louisville Riots.

Officer down. They're saying, update. Two officers are now reported to be down. And Louisville? Shots fired at Louisville riots. Officer down. They're saying, update, two officers are now reported to be down. The shooting happened at around 8.30 p.m. near Brook and Broadway, according to WDRB. Officers in the area were working on crowd control at a riot when the gunshots rang out and two officers were hit. The condition of the wounded officers has not been released. No information about the shooter has been released. So we've got a tweet here from Fallon Glick, verified Twitter user. And Twitter's giving us the business. I want to make sure I want to see what her credentials are. She says she confirms an officer was just shot.

She's with WDRB News. And so I don't know where the update is on the second officer, but it looks like let me read what they say. They say authorities began planning for violent riots in the city. This we know the LMPD declared a state of emergency. We get it. So I think these are the updates we're looking at right now. So let's do this, man. I hate to shift from the conversation because it was getting funny. We'll go back to Louis C.K.

But this is some serious stuff, man. Yeah. Look, we got you here, Maj. You're the guy from Black Guns Matter. Tell us. What are your thoughts on that? Because everybody knows what I think when we talk about this stuff. The universe is self-correcting on the state.

And first of all, condolences to those officers. Yeah, man. I don't know if they had anything to do with any of that. Random plot twist might be that they were actually the guys that's like, look, I'm trying to help. You know what I mean? And that could be the case. I don't know them.

But until I know them, to be good or bad, my initial reaction is, yo, hope those guys pull through. Yeah, man. Do you watch all Game of Thrones before it got garbage? No, no, no. So listen. Literally, literally, I started watching Game of Thrones about four or five months ago. Oh, right on. I had never saw it.

And I was like wizards dragons there's no wizards i don't think right but that's how i was they're kind of the red wizard yeah and so um that's an amazing i wouldn't sidebar i wouldn't have killed calise if i was john all right so so anyway here's why i bring this up yeah because there there was a one of the story arcs and one of the i can't remember which season it was is calise takes over a slaver town yes and then executes all of the privileged class, like the elite class. And then this young man comes and says,

my father was the one fighting to free them, the one who was providing them with comfort. You killed him and he was a good guy. And that to me is like, look, man. That's the crux. You know what I can't stand for? The system being broken,

being broken, and then like, look, there are certain things. It's such a hard ethical conundrum, man. There are certain things where we just see it and it must be stopped. Right? Genocides. Right. We're talking right now about a system with a high margin of error in certain areas that needs to be corrected.

To go up to some, like, these cops. I'll tell you what, man. These cops are cops probably sitting at home they're probably playing ps4 they're probably playing some you know they're probably playing skyrim or some simple game dude's probably 28 30 he's got a kid he's got a wife and they say hey man there's going to be you know protests tonight and he's like oh i guess i got they're needing me to come in right the wife his wife's like be careful you know this is getting crazy we'm watching the news he doesn't know anything about these people he doesn't know anything about trump he doesn't know anything about biden i mean at this point people are probably very political but you're probably getting these guys who are just like i don't

know man just like i'm going to work i'm going to work they told me there's we got to keep people safe right you know i want to make sure that these protests are safe and none of this happens and then boom shot to the head so there's regular like look i get the systems busted but come on man these people got families they're people i agree with that and and as a human i'm like empathy you know our three-step method is empathy facts solution i got to deal with empathy first before i can start talking about the data right then we can come up with the solution together so empathy first the fact of the matter is just like brianna taylor was killed right and it's the state's fault and it's systemic those officers that blood is on that same if that who's the person that wrote the warrant the guy that they were looking for was

already in custody so when are we talking about that person being held accountable it's just the problem is all of the death from that and you got a soros crew that's going to jump in and hyper extend it and turn it up and media and ratings and all this other stuff i want to i want to i want to switch it up on you though i want to say mackenzie bezos okay she's she's directly funded i think two billion dollars straight into intersectional far-left organizations and stuff as well. I'm mentioning that because whenever the Soros name pops up, I'm like, oh, let's name all the billionaires. Let's name all the millionaires and billionaires funding this stuff. Funding this stuff.

It turns into – now, this is the part where, again, my hood friends will go like, come on, bro. It's like there's people that have generated resources from America that still feel like they have to knock down America where they actually live. Well, because I'm a billionaire and I may actually be a citizen of like Monaco you know I think you know I think it is I think a lot of these rich people are funding the far left in hopes that if there ever is a revolution they're the good ones right I could see that it's not gonna it's not gonna work it's not gonna work because of the fact that there were people remember in the movie the Dark Knight with Bane yeah and everybody thought they was cool and safe and it's like no once we got rid of that we still coming to holla at you it works you know what i'm saying and so it's that same concept i think i think warren buffett said this

i could be wrong so you know please don't sue me warren buffett but just just fact check this something about that you know he did this thing where he like called on billionaires to donate a big portion of their wealth and he was he alluded to the fact that with all the Occupy stuff and the challenge of the 1%, the rich were too rich. And if they sat back and kept doing the same thing they always did, eventually pitchforks are going to show up. Napoleon said, religion is here so the poor don't murder the rich. Did he really say that?

Napoleon Bonaparte. So are these the pitchforks? So, yeah, and so some of that is, some of that is, listen, and this is where I might get a little ooh, right? America has not atoned, our nation, where we all live, has not atoned for some of the horrible,

disgusting stains that we have on our flag. Karma, in my view, in my life and lived experience, is real. We haven't acknowledged, you haven't even had the conversation about reparations with black people. You haven't had it. And then you'll say, well, who's going to pay for it? I'm not going to pay for it. We can't do that. Then you print up $3 trillion dollars and the government gets

really quiet and everybody seems to know how to get along then i was except for my good friend thomas massey the one lone constitutional libertarian dude that had to run republican says no i'm not gonna quietly not vote on this largest wealth transfer in American history, socialism. So you haven't atoned for the vilest type of because all slavery has existed in in time immemorial. But the Mafa, the millions of melanated beings that were murdered, that created the economic infrastructure of America, the place that we live, right, that I love, because I'm not one of those like slavery happened, burned down America. Bro, I like Wi-Fi. I like Dunkin' Donuts. I love where I live.

You know what I'm saying? Cheeseburgers on demand, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. on demand you see what i'm saying yeah with this being the case karmically if you have not atoned for that and your systemic issues that need correction are now being exploited by very resourceful people that don't have an actual stake in the country anymore and And now you, instead of dealing with that, you want to pretend like, Oh, everything's cool. It's great here. You're not addressing those issues and those you got like, we ain't got to go all the way back. We can talk about redlining.

We can talk about this. We can talk about that. Right. I was when you brought up reparations, I was ready to jump in. Cause I don't agree. But then you mentioned the printing 3 trillion, 6 trillion. And I'm like, I got no justification, dude. There's no print money to throw it around. And if it's no issue, if Austrian economics and Mises and these guys,

these really smart guys are wrong, then okay, then why don't we just, we can solve all of this. Let's just print up $300 million since it's no issue with inflation and hyperinflation. It doesn't affect our economy. And we can say, okay, we're going to give every American, as reparations, we're going to give one, we're going to give every American $1 million. That would be like $3 trillion something.

Yeah. Or like $300 million. No. How many people is in America? $300 million? Yeah. So that's like $3 trillion, I think. We only need? 300 million? Yeah. So that's like 3 trillion. We only need 1 million per person.

So 1 million. 300 million dollars. No, no, no. It's 1 million times 300 million. Oh, yeah. So it's like 300 trillion. Whatever that is. That number.

But that's just... But it doesn't matter because we just printed up three. What would happen is... It's like three quadrillion. So look. Is it? Whatever that math turns out to,

if you're saying that there's no issue with printing up endless 3 trillion dollars, I know, man. Let's just give, let's give African Americans even if they gave them

like 1.25 or whatever the number is. Well, so, but here, so if we're talking only about black Americans, which is, I believe, about 13% of the population,

it's a lot less than 300 trillion. It's still a lot, though. But to solve it. $300 trillion. Everyone gets a million bucks. I'm cool with saying everybody gets the million, right? Because it's going to go back into the economy.

Everyone gets the million. And African-Americans can get 1.5. Fair? Or everybody gets half a million. Because if there's no issue with the printing of the money i see you're saying now it'll make hamburgers go to like 75 dollars no way way more than that and the same thing will happen would you throw three trillion dollars into the economy i've seen it go up 30 20 stuff's up like inflating saying this to say america and my jewish brothers

and sisters have gotten reparations the japanese Japanese Americans and their lineage that were held in internment camps after the war were given their reparations. What do you think about basic income? I think that everyone should be able to determine what they want to charge for their labor. But just like the fact if everyone could get like a thousand dollars a month from the government. I don't think the government. It's not the government's money it's already your money it's your our money but if it was dispersed evenly that's socialism right but so would be 300 trillion dollar bailout right it's the same thing that's why thomas massey was like

nah bro so so just to make sure i have it clear you're basically dragging the government for just printing money like crazy i'm dragging the government for being a... I'm dragging the American people that go into politics that don't understand that they're a public servant. And this cornucopia of money that you think is what it is, since you're throwing the money at that problem, but you haven't thrown money at the community that has been affected and impacted most negatively by... And anyone that disagrees with this,

you either don't read enough or you're just in denial. The thing about slavery, we kind of talked about this a little bit ago is that what 150 years ago people were just dumped on the street with no education or money at all and a lot of people are coming from like their great great grandfather had nothing did maybe didn't even speak the language very well that's not the case for a lot of white well like whatever you want to call it but we're not white but here's the thing but here's the thing. But here's the thing. You got indigenous people to this nation that were mixed in. At one point they were called Negro or Indian. Then you got the people that you brought from somewhere else. You got companies.

Before he died, Johnny Cochran was putting together a thing, a fund on reparations before he died. You have companies that benefited tremendously financially from that. To bring it back home, you haven't atoned for these things. We haven't. And if we haven't, and if the system is still in alignment with those things, I can understand why somebody would be so damn frustrated. And then media highlights it, and is it as insane as media is making it? Absolutely not.

However, this is what you get, and you have people that have that lived experience with law enforcement, which is the physical representation of a system. That's what law enforcement officers are. They are foot soldiers for policy. They are there to enforce laws, and if the laws are unjust, what does this community have to lose in that regard let me ask you uh you're familiar with the phrase if you teach a man uh if you give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man a fish and for the rest of his life yeah you agree with that yes how would you feel about creating a system where you just give people the fish that's it you you take the fish from one guy and give it to the other people so they have fish that's socialism

i'm not in alignment so here's here's what I'm getting at. I've had a lot of conversations about reparations, and I think you can't just give money to people. So why did the government print $3 trillion? Oh, dude, I'm with you, man. They're just dumping. That's what they're doing. The Federal Reserve printed $3 trillion. This is an example of your contradiction.

I agree. I agree. Well, we can't give it to you guys who clearly have been impacted by these policies that we as the government set up. But we can section off 24 i got the 900 page thing you can section off 24 million for us and senate out of the air thin printed money fiat we want we got to get our we got to get our salary increases boom but here's what i'm saying in terms of reparation the way i describe it is so i consider myself liberal, meaning I actually think social programs can be a good thing.

I think the government, you know, we all pitch in taxes to a subscription program, and then there can be social programs to benefit people in certain circumstances. But I think we're doing it wrong. The way I see it is, we shouldn't be giving people fish. That's what we're doing. Yeah. We're giving people, no, we should be teaching people to fish. Correct. So what we say is, you're down and out. You got no fishing pole. You shouldn't be giving people fish. That's what we're doing. Yeah. We're giving people. No, we should be teaching people to fish. Correct.

So what we say is you're down and out. You got no fishing pole. You don't know how to fish. All right, we're going to pitch and get you a pole, teach you to fish. Now go do your thing. These were things that were taught up until the 60s and 50s. Like the black community wasn't as like, like there was a systematic attack on the black community. The BLM folks just took it off of their website

like yesterday another re-attack on the nuclear family it was nixon yeah right it was why did they that's a bad thing it's a bad thing but if you're biased at that point nixon was tricky dick you know what i mean and there was he had interest in other areas of corporate scenarios like this obamacare that was initially created under nixon we couldn't really get it off the same way then you know what i'm saying so with that being the case we had these things we had trades america in general when people go well when was america great when one we had very little international interference, right? When America, when Pittsburgh was making 30% of the world's steel, when, you know, factories, 30% of the world's steel,

Pittsburgh, Steelers, when... Wow. I didn't know that. When black businesses, and I'm not saying this to, you know, ignore white families. I'm just talking about the black community because that's where not saying this to, you know, ignore white families. I'm just talking about the black community because that's where I happen to live, right? When black communities, guys could work a job, plumber. Trades were taught in school. I live up the street from

Muriel Dobbins in Philly, right off of 22nd and Lehigh. That school was a trade school. Carpentry, electrician, home economics, hair, all of these different things right someone could have a legitimate 67 70 000 a year job even back then 50 000 a year and not even have to leave the neighborhood detroit manufacturing when corporate interests decide to put their profits as over making america solid and making us an economic world power, the first center of the scope is the black community. The people that are doing that manual labor that can make a good wage, I can walk home for lunch. I can walk to work.

I can walk back home. I can be with my family. There was a systematic attempt to destroy that. It's happening now again. It's just now my white brothers and sisters y'all caught up it's called robotics is that like is that what black lives matter is doing destroying the family absolutely that's part of their goal because they're not i know it's in their goal for sure they got rid of it they're they're not they're not black people they're the leadership

not the face like aunt jemima and uncle ben like come on they have no Jemima and Uncle Ben, like, come on. They have no. Aunt Jemima wasn't even black. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Mrs. Butterworth is what I was going to say. That was wrong. They're not showing up at the damn executive board meetings.

You know what I'm saying? The founder of BET is not the owner of BET anymore. So my point in saying that is this is a holistic approach. And now what we're seeing in some of these, you're seeing the frustration of people that, A, have been made to feel like they're outside of the American dream. There have been policies and systemic issues that have deliberately made that the case. Now, do you have to submit to it? Absolutely not. I don't.

I don't care what they meant the Second Amendment for. This is mine. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh oh you didn't mean that for me that's great good for you not for me you put a riot in my neighborhood and you watch me flip real fast on 2a because i used to be very much more like liberal right and you're like i'm gonna see in the helicopters and i'm like i'm like oh my god right now i'm like get away from my guns exactly and so these are the things because you your your course of re-education or your re-engineering of self is different. And it's tied into the human right to defend as opposed to, well, the government said I got it. Now, when you're tying it back to all of these, it's not all of these. It's a few people defending the rights that are not from the communities. It's a well-oiled machine pretending and piggybacking

on the back of legitimate, legitimate social issues. I'm not talking about like, oh, like, you know, I'm getting treated horribly because they didn't like me. I'm talking about like school choice is real. You know what I'm saying? Like when you're talking about discrimination based on skin tone and bias, those are real things that we can show evidence and fact and prove. So when you're not from that demographic and you don't feel that and you don't do anything, our nation, for the most part, has not atoned in these communities. And atonement doesn't just mean an apology. An atonement means changed behavior.

And the behavior hasn't changed. I feel like one of the problems we have, what I was alluding to earlier, is just throwing fish at people. Like, okay, there you go. We gave you fish. But, you know, Ian mentioned it earlier because I've actually done a lot of research into this. I've done a documentary on stuff like this. You end slavery.

Yeah. You don't, what you have now is, you know, two separate train tracks, the way I kind of describe it. One which has a history and one which just started. Yeah. And doesn't have the same resources, same access. So, like, Ian brought up a grandfather, you know, a guy is a slave. He gets freed, he has kids.

They have nothing to transfer down to each other. And they also don't have the education. And so that's why I lean liberal on a lot of issues. Like, can we teach people to fish and then make sure we fix the system? Now, yes, and agreed. But here's the other part to that example you just gave. Then a group of people decide to say,

you know what, guys, we were doing the same thing. We can just do what we all were doing on that plantation for our own neighborhood. And then over time, that neighborhood starts to become independent. And it starts to actually, that other side of the tracks literally is Tulsa, literally Black Wall Street, literally that other side of the track starts to look better than this side then it gets burned down then they redo it then they rebuild it and it's there for 40 more years then they rent they zone it and they do things to systematically destroy it i gotta i gotta say man you know i i i was i had a brief stint as a democrat when i voted for obama and then felt disillusioned because it was like it was war all over again.

I don't much care for the Republican Party. I think Donald Trump has done enough, some good things, anti-war peace deals, pulling our troops back that I'm happy with. But I really do feel like it's been the Democratic Party the entire time. Oh, absolutely. It's been, first of all, they're the party of slavery. Oh, listen, listen. But just real quick, what I want to get to is a lot of people say that the party switched. And I'm like, no, they went subversive. Right.

Because when you say Black Lives Matter wants to destroy the family, I'm like, they're keeping up the legacy of destroying minority communities. Right. They are very crafty. It's what I call a beautiful ugly. The precision and the strategy and the tactics. Oh, man. As a person that plays chess, I'm like, wow, you guys really got that off.

You convinced all of the black people to donate to Black Lives Matter and $700 million of that went to the Biden campaign. Well, that's not necessarily. It's more complicated than that. It is. But I'm paraphrasing and simplifying it. Maybe oversimplifying it. Let me give the best context I can.

Yeah. So they say Black Lives Matter is not political. Yet for some reason, ActBlue, which is the Democrats' fundraising arm, is managing their funds. All of the resources. Now, ActBlue says that money that isn't claimed goes to ActBlue. So I'll put it this way. If you donate to Black Lives Matter, a portion of your donation goes to ActBlue. So I'll put it this way. If you donate to Black Lives Matter, a portion of your donation goes to ActBlue.

And if Black Lives Matter doesn't claim the donation properly under some circumstances, ActBlue keeps it, which funds the Democrats' fundraising infrastructure. So it's not going to Joe Biden, but it is providing

the Democratic Party a fundraising arm. You see what I mean? And the fundraising... You're paying their infrastructure. Right. And the fundraising, all of the Democrats,

after they... so after you lose or you're out of the running, you can then donate that money to whichever candidate you choose to. And we all know where, it's a money laundering scheme. It's a Ponzi scheme. I think it's worse than that. It absolutely is. Because Ponzi schemes, if you do them right, it's only a scheme. Dude.

Yeah. I'm from the south side of Chicago. And I know a lot of people who didn't make it out. And I think I had good parents. I was lucky. And so when I see what was one factor in my success in getting away and moving out, and I'm not saying everybody there is doing bad. I mean, it's a middle class living. But I know a couple people who OD'd. And one person who I knew when I was younger is dead from an overdose. People joined gangs.

And I can see that they had bad families. Now, it's not always true. I mean, some of these people had a regular family and still got caught up. Just choices. But when I see Black Lives Matter say they want to disrupt the nuclear family, I'm saying you're convincing white suburban people to donate to an organization that's actively hurting black communities by doing that. And then say there's no systemic racism.

They're making it. It is literally manufactured. That's an example of it. You see that actress recently? She came out in support for Donald Trump. She said, if you were voting for Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, these are the people who have been in government for decades who literally created the systemic racism. Correct. And now you're voting for them. You're part of the problem. Beautiful, ugly. The fact that they could trick is a movie. I think it was, I forget which movie it was, but the quote was the biggest trick that the devil

ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist. Yeah. And it's the same concept. It's no, no, no. We like Kamala's wearing Timberlands getting off the plane. So she's clearly cool. She's clearly down for the cause. This is the same woman that didn't want to let nonviolent cannabis guys that were locked up for weed, not let them out of jail because California needed the like free slave labor. She wanted to pay him a dollar an hour to put out wildfires. Bam.

Not even a job. It was life-risking stuff. This is the same person that when she was in the breakfast club laughs about it. Yes, I smoked every now and then. So the beauty of it is, man, y'all really pulled that chess move off. The ugly is the intent and the deed and the actions and the outcome. As an objective person, I'm able to go, oh, man, you was really going to rob me that night. I saw it.

You were good up until you telegraphed, and I could see you in the bar in the big mirror. I could see you talking with the dude over there. This happened to me in New Orleans. You know what I'm saying? I was like, oh, y'all were good. Y'all almost had me. The objective in me is like, oh, man, y'all really got that off. The ugly in me is like, man, that's really messed up.

Yeah. You know, and I'm emotionally unmoved by it. One, because I'm aware of it. And two, we at war. And if you emotional in the middle of a war, that's how you get your head blown. I love military tactics, but I hate war. Right. So what do you think about Donald Trump? I like him on.

So I don't really think about Donald Trump. So what about the Republicans? Some of them are cool. Most of them are rhinos. Yeah. Yeah. Some of like I don't I don't think that they know what their status. I don't think that a lot of them know what. I don't think that they know what their statists. I don't think that a lot of them know what.

I don't think that they know that this is a republic. I don't think that they know that the smallest republic is the individual. I don't think that they like their constituents. I think my man Larry Sharp came to the solution a summit he said most politicians actually hate you because they see you as like in the way of their aims that's why they jump from the public to private sector make the rule this so i can jump back in the private sector and benefit from the rule it's not about people anymore man it's about it's like a a point system right these these politicians and not all of them there's a handful that are good a handful

of our republicans but it's like eight right i basically use that number because there were eight people who sided with trump on withdrawing the troops yeah eight republicans and three democrats and i'm like all right y'all are cool not completely because it's probably things i disagree with but you have very very few of these people and the rest of them they just want the keys to the castle right so what the way they look at the constituents is they have a chart saying, here's how you're swinging. So they don't care about you necessarily. Most of these people, they care about what am I up.

Right. And they say, ooh, you're down four. Ooh, I'm down four. How can we get me up three? Wear some Timberlands. Exactly. That's purely because they want to get reelected. Right.

But it's another reason for term limits. So I asked Thomas Massey about this term limit thing in Congress, right? He said that would be a cotton candy solution. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, cotton candy is like, you taste it, and it does. It's kind of food-like, but it doesn't really sustain you. He was like, you know, he pulled out his Congress, like, whatever card they give him, and the number. He's like, this number means that there's this many people.

I'm this many people senior. So this amount of people have actually been in Congress less than me. Wow. And so it's not about term limits. It's what you do with the time that you get there. Right. Right? But that means the reason why the term limits, they're able to pull off a lot of this beautiful, ugly and be there for 50 years.

Joe Biden and not do anything is because the people are not educated about what makes a good public servant. Hence, systematically taking civics and social studies out of schools. Right. You don't even know what that process is you know what i mean and so the term limit thing would be because then okay let's flip side to that coin what if there's a guy or a woman in there doing great that's like up you're doing great time's up and it's like then you get like a complete trash politician right after them so that pendulum swings both ways back to your question about president trump i love him on first shouts to him for freeing a good friend of mine angela stanton king he gave her a presidential pardon um she's running for congress in district five in atlanta john lewis's old seat oh wow she came to

the solutionary summit everybody should check into her her. She's Atlanta as they come. And I would trust somebody like her in that seat that wants to protect children, that wants to push actual conservative values, and serve the people of Atlanta. Right? He gave her a presidential pardon. Last I know, like, racists don't do that. Right? So this whole, like, is he racist? Look, I don't care if he is.ists don't do that right so this whole like is he racist i don't look i don't care if he is i don't know him personally don jr follows me we chop it up here

and there you know i'm saying don's a shooter i like that i think don should run for like mayor of new york or something that's what i think um but i don't evaluate politicians based on, like, if I like them. Yeah. Like, I don't need to like you. You're a plumber to me. Oh, dude. I hire you. I got a clog.

Like, get the clog out. Now you'll do a job. And I'm like, bro, not only did you get the clog out, he showed me, like, in two months you're going to have a clog in this one. You don't have to hire me now, but let me tell you why. And two months later, if I get the clog, I'm like, this guy was on it, right? And I'm hiring him. I don't care if he's got his butt crack showing. I don't care.

Did he get the clog out? So here's what, it's actually an analogy I use for like a plumber. You got, you hire two plumbers or two plumbers come to your house, give you a quote. One guy, he looks terrible. His butt crack sticking out. He won't stop cussing. Yeah. But you know, he's got a good record.

Well, actually, you might have never hired him before. The other guys look sharp, but they can't stop complaining about the guy with the butt crack. Yeah. So you got one guy with a butt crack, and he's telling you he's going to get it done. You hire him. He starts getting it done, and these guys won't shut up. But they're demanding you give them the contract while this dude's literally trying to fix your toilet. And then start hitting the guy fixing the toilet and you're like let him fix my toilet dude he's getting it and they won't stop you think i'm gonna ever give you a contract again it's not happening but the difference of the plumber is that after the guy fixes the clog

then his job is to go out on the street and represent you to the neighborhood and if he's an a jerk that's a problem well it could be but depending on what your, what your meter of success is, my, so, so for example, president Obama is one of my favorite politicians of all time. I think he's a great symbol for melanated young people, especially. I think that, you know, the audacity of hope and letters to my father is like some of the best reading i've ever done i like that he was like the first president of like harvard law or whatever school that was i think that that's dope i think he was smooth i think that presidential beige suit was like the coldest suit ever right i think that he he he got through

things that i would have been smack somebody in the mouth behind. And for those reasons, he's one of one of my favorite politicians for those reasons, for that list. Then I pan over to policy and then I go, no, you campaigned on closing Gitmo. You didn't. You campaigned on getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. You didn't. You campaigned on the Patriot Act being the most horrible thing ever. You re-upped on it. So when I look at policy, I can evaluate you. There's really hot girls and I'm like, oh man, she's so hot. I would never touch her with a 10-foot pole, but she's so hot and I would never touch her because her

spirit is corrupt. I can feel it. Is that what you think about Obama? I think that Obama, as a human, I don't know him. I can only base it on his symbolism and his substance. You know what I mean? And the substance of it, I got to disagree with. President Trump, I think he has gotten things done great in regards to business and the economy. I think that he's been attacked tremendously, more so than any president that I've seen. Maybe second, maybe, or first. They're running neck and neck, him and Obama, depending on which side is attacking. I agree with him on a lot of things.

I disagree. I think his him on a lot of things. I disagree. I think his stance on guns has been weak. I think that he's had more federal restrictions on the Second Amendment in one term than Obama did in two. And that's just me evaluating my plumbers. That's it. Right, Obama's like a guy who would go out on the street.

Everyone loves him. So they're like, oh, I love you. You have a great guy out on the street, but he can't fix the leak. No, no, no, no, no. And Trump fixes the leak, goes out and yells at people. And they're like, I can't stand him or you because he's your plumber. I'm going to tell you what Obama was. Obama was the guy who walked into your front door with a smile on his face.

And he was like, hey, and he winks. And you're like, oh, this guy is so amazing. He's like, I'm going to go make you all look good. Walked to the rich people's houses and winked at him. And then walked over to the poor house and started smacking people and kicking them around. And that was his foreign policy. And then he comes and he says at your house, I'll tell you what, I look great and I can snatch up your kids in the middle of the night, rendition them in an off on an offshore oil rig. You'll never hear from him again.

That's the National Defense Authorization Act indefinite detention provision. So I hear exactly what you're saying, dude. Now, he was smooth. He was smooth. He was charismatic. And he inspired people. And then when it came to policy, he was the same exact thing I saw in George W. Bush. And this is what? This is our fault, though.

It's our fault. Yeah, I agree with that. We are not making politicians afraid again. This is our fault. Trump is. We are not making politicians afraid again. This is our fault. Trump is. We are the government. But is he? I think so.

They've been screaming nonstop almost five years. I think they've been screaming nonstop on the left. I think that. For sure. I think that. But they scream. That's what they do. You know what I'm saying?

I think that we've been should have had people out it's 19 20 years later afghanistan it's over like it's done it's done get him home don't say get him home you are the commander in chief you are the commander in chief i think that do does he leave something to be desired in regards to his approach? Absolutely. But then when I look at how the economy was humming, I've made more legal money, maybe or maybe not, allegedly. Right?

With this being a case, those parts, if you're being objective, that's how I view it. But I also am a one-issue voter, and I cannot ignore the fact that he has been weak on the Second Amendment. I was in the front row at the NRA annual meetings when he first was elected, and he was the first sitting president to address the NRA convention. I was literally in the front row when he said, the eight-year assault on your Second Amendment rights is coming to a crashing halt. That's not the case. That doesn't mesh with, and again, I'm not attacking him. This is the plumber. You can't say that and then say, take the guns first, due process later. That is not something that I want to hear from my commander-in-chief. That is not what our nation needs to hear from my commander in chief. That is not what our nation needs to hear. I think that what happens is because we have become so complacent with this two party system that everybody gets barbecued up on July the 4th, but George Washington and the

boys literally were like, do not do a party system. Yeah. So I think now this time, this is the time that we should be looking into strengthening a third party. I just tweeted Bernie about that last night. Have you ever read the original Second Amendment? No. I didn't know about this until I actually looked up the Bill of Rights. I forgot what segment we were talking about. And there was originally 17 articles proposed.

It was because there were a lot of people who were scared of a strong federal government, like basically oppressive people. Anti-federalists. So they said, okay, we'll take these 17 17 things a bunch of them didn't make it but the original second amendment was very clear that it i'm probably gonna get this wrong so you know the gun owners out there super chat correct me if i'm getting it wrong but basically said something like if you it says uh you know a well-regulated militia being you know necessary for a free state the right to keep and bear arms should not be restricted. And it said, basically, if somebody doesn't want to join, you know, military service in any way,

doesn't mean they can't own a gun. I'm like, why did you get rid of that part? I think it was because it like the language banned conscription. Yeah. And so they ended up getting rid of it. They kept that. You can see the spirit of what they meant. Yeah. They meant everybody should have firearms. Everybody should be armed. And they get rid of rid of it. They kept that. You can see the spirit of what they meant. Yeah. They meant everybody should have firearms. Everybody should be should be armed. And they get

rid of this one provision. And now now the left says, oh, but a well-regulated militia means the military. Right, right, right. But they clearly said, even if you don't want to, you can keep your weapon. Here's the bigger part to that to me. The Bill of Rights was the double down to say, hey, guys, remember, these are things not granted by government, nor can government take them away. Like just in case in 100 years everybody gets stupid. These list of things, your right to express yourself and then the right to defend what you just said is not granted by government. It's not taken away. They just did a good job of studying governments prior to

and codifying human nature and natural law. Thomas Paine, John Locke, those dudes were somewhere else. You know, I liken them, they're not singers to my knowledge, but when you hear Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen, Freddie Mercury was somewhere else to write those changeovers. And like he was somewhere else. You're saying like it was profound, like so good. They must have been somewhere else.

They had hemp farms. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. And so they they were somewhere else in their understanding of liberty because they had seen one. They just came from a tyrannical government. And by studying, these guys were not only were they like and they had their contradictions because you notice I keep saying guys. There were no women. So that's strike one.

Right. These guys were like craftsmen and builders and architects and like like guys that like made stuff that's the power of creation that's like the power of god you see i'm saying and they tied it into a moral compass feeling thing and to to double down and say hey we're gonna make this extra list so so we remember that we're making this stuff to like check government. So when we talk about what's a bootlicker, what's a statist, these are the people that think that this is for the government to tell us what to do, not us to put the government on timeout if they start reaching. We are the government. Right. And so that's the part that we've become.

We even though I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I am a libertarian with strong conservative values, strong conservative values. And I'm cool with if everybody else in the liberty movement is like, yeah, there should be open borders. I'm going to go. That's cool that you think that I don't. Right. This is why I say it's our fault, though, because we are not self-educating. We are not. The information is there. I got five phones on me. Literally, the information is there. The conversations are being had.

The geniuses have left their blueprints you know this is why in 2022 i'm like 98 gonna just go beyond my planet and do my thing i believe that americans and this hurts to say i believe that americans are too soft they're too marshmallow and we don't want to do what's necessary when obama got elected i remember he was anti-war and i was anti-war and there was a building anti-war movement then he got elected and there was no more movement the money leaned on and the president can't do anything if the people aren't surging yep it's our job yep and it's the same thing with hillary remember hillary used to like fight so hard for universal health care she used to fight for it then she started getting funded by insurance

and that conversation stopped the at a certain point you got to look at what your legacy is to me if I picked like if I went hard left or hard right oh man I'd have a tv show like it would like i'm charismatic i'm handsome right i'm reasonably smart if i picked a side as opposed to being balanced and objective like even in the chat there's going to be as you guys scroll through this there's going to be people that are saying i'm insane i'm a terrorist i'm one of those black power dudes then there's going to be people going he's a patriot depending on what i'm talking about. I'm looking at right here, people being like,

this guy's awful, and another guy being like, dude, I was cheering, I can't believe it, this is awesome. You're an interesting dude, man. It's layers. It's context.

It's contextual. It's the gray area that is what most of us actually are. But we've been forced into picking one of these sides, and then we keep, again, July 4th reference. We keep going. America, America, America. But the founding fathers that we say that we support, we don't even have a conversation about Thomas Paine, who who who shaped the minds of like damn near all of those guys.

You know what I mean? And so when you have someone such as myself or other people that show up that are in those gray areas and saying, I agree here, I disagree here. I i'm feeling this i'm not feeling that those people get vilified ridiculed on this side depending on the conversation and heralded and celebrated on this side depending on the conversation and it switches and it ebbs and flows and i'm cool with that we gotta go to super chats let's do it we're're a little late, but it's all right. We'll go a little bit longer. Do this forever, man. Yeah, it is a fun conversation. I know that there's some people who are saying in the chat that they're not a fan of you,

and they're being a little bit more rude than that. A lot of people are digging it, and they're saying they're stoked that you're here. I thought we were having a great conversation. I disagree with you on a lot of things, but it's cool. It's strange to me. People should just be like, here's a guy I disagree with, and i don't like what he has to say you're bringing out the emotions in people which is a good thing now the question becomes why do they disagree with me all right and in no way shape or form have i said i've literally said i love our nation our nation

i don't i'm not calling for the like the crash and burn of president trump if he's the guy flying the plane that's stupid right i can critique him hey man you you getting this you don't want to go around these clouds it's it's it's crazy to me i mean i i kind of feel like uh as long as we can have a sane rational conversation yeah and we agree on certain things as grand others we agree that america you know is great let's let's make sure it works and works for everybody and figure out how to fix it then what's you know and we'll talk about what they're disagreeing with is my honesty about our nation stains on the floor I think they disagree with you on whether those actually are stains whether

before we go to superchats slavery is not a stain about rep no no not that oh by talking about reparation what about this idea about reparations no no no not that by talking about reparations yeah what about this idea for reparations because you need to teach people to fish so we have like school choices on the horizon

where you can give people the opportunity a lot of we barely even got into that but while they're learning to fish you still need to give them fish so they don't starve while they're learning

so basic income nah nah nah on top of we definitely gotta we gotta go super chats I'm sorry guys this will be another 20 minutes of us

no because I'm like uh oh we're getting this I just don't like these 3 trillion printouts when we could be giving it to the people directly but it just inflates everything okay we're gonna super chat so I gotta bring this up because everyone's bringing up this video from I believe the dude's name was

Gary Lamb a message to Tim up this uh this video from uh i believe the dude's name was gary lamb yes a message to tim pool i don't know you see that you see this video no it's it's got like i love 200 000 views what happened in the video i might just not know he just says he thank you to me he was like you uh like he says thank you to tim pool he said that you know he he's working hard he's succeeding now and he realized that everything like that was really good was good under trump and he's worried about what happens if biden gets elected he says i appreciate you for like the content you do and like you know helping people realize what's going on but there's a lot of portions in it where he says things like to him trump is like the hope he see like he saw how his life was was doing he was doing better and better under trump and that the democrats never

did anything for him and now he's worried what's going to happen but this video is like getting clipped up people are sharing different segments of it. He's getting like a viral hit off of it. He gained like, he's got like 5,000 subs now on YouTube from this one video. He's like a truck driver. So I commented. I was like, dude, you're proving the American dream is real, man. Working hard, succeeding.

I agree with that. I don't think that it, some people get off of drugs and blame it or not blame it, but they attribute it to like jesus because they went to church right you can attribute it to whatever you want you did the work so so i'm not saying that not not to say like tim you didn't do anything you didn't help this guy's life what i mean by that is when he's talking about trump trump created a space where a policy this is what a politician is supposed to do. The policies economically, more specifically, are supposed to benefit the American people.

If I can cut some of that red tape out and you see more of that bread come stay in your wallet, absolutely, you're going to be like, yo, again, me, I'm going like, yeah, bro, there's a trickle down there because some of that red tape is cut. If you're not going to be honest about that, we can't even have a conversation. You can yell at me about what he said and how the media spun it we can have that conversation but this directly resulted in that and i got to agree with that when my friend gets a presidential pardon which is like a unicorn right when my friend gets a presidential pardon for non-violent offenses that she's going to be able to lawfully purchase and defend her life with firearms. Now, I have to acknowledge that. So, yeah, in that regard.

But but I want people to make sure that we're not just tying it to one administration. You now he has to since he has that and he has a taste of that. He has to make sure that he's doing everything in his power to empower the next person like you did for him like president trump that he might run that guy should run for office dude gary that's the blue collar dude that we need in those type of local seats so yeah man yeah so we got we got a question here from uh alex ray says tim don't hate me for this but i heard vosh say that most of the deaths during the protest weren't committed by protesters, that most of the victims were actually protesters. Is that true? Half true. The rioters caused the deaths, and many of the deaths were other rioters. But then there were certain individuals like, I don't know if they include this in the death count, the Chaz Chop

deaths. Those two kids who got gunned down in that car were not protesters. They were innocent people. David Dorn was not a protester or a writer. So I don't believe I've ever said that the people who died were innocent people randomly caught up. I've mentioned those that are innocent, you got caught up when they do. I just say the deaths are bad. There was the pawn shop that burned down in Minneapolis,

and they found a body in it. We don't know who that guy was. It was a pawn shop burned down down in minneapolis and they found a body in it we don't know who that guy was it was a pawn shop burned down they found a corpse like a month later so yeah a lot of people died and i don't care if you're i don't care if you're a cop i don't care if you're a criminal i don't care if you're a protester i don't i don't care if you're an innocent person i don't want people dying right i look they're they're gonna be people who go out and do dumb things and riot i don't want them to die man right i want i want them i want them to like learn and do better and i want and I want to figure out how we work together. But I think when people start calling for death, they feel they're justified,

that's when it's like, dude, we can't solve our problems if that's all we do. The French Revolution, man. You've got to study that. But I get it, man. There are people who are so insane, you're never going to convince them. They're just so disillusioned. It's a symptom. I think we kind of touched on it.

It's like an unavoidable symptom of sending all of our jobs, a portion of our labor force overseas, and locking people into their houses and making them lose their jobs. And you feel like that person may start to, it's easier for that person to feel like they don't have purpose. If that person doesn't feel like they have purpose, and if they can ID it with, okay, my life is crashing down around me, especially if they can't see, A, a way out,

and B, what policies made that happen and what party or person enacted that, that person starts to lash out. And that person feels, like you said, disillusioned and separated from that American dream at that point. As opposed to this guy, Gary, who's like, man, Tim, you just told me something that makes absolute sense to me. And tie it in with this, that person, that person now feels that purpose. And we just got to drive people that way. So we got a

from captain he says tim in your first video today you mentioned how police need to demilitarize what offensive military equipment do they use all the military gear they have is to protect their lives uh well you added the word offensive military equipment i'm not entirely sure uh you know if if that if if if i said offensive i was specifically talking about like apcs mraps you know uh multiple like multi-unit multi-city forces joining together i think the way i described it in terms of militarization is escalation when the cops start coming out in full tactical gear that looks like a milk like they look like they're an army and they've got long guns and they're riding on the side of armored personnel character carriers with uh l rads on

top that you know active or maybe we'll get to that point where they you know some some cops in dc apparently wanted uh active denial systems which is directed energy weapons microwaves your skin makes you feel like you're on fire if they start taking you know more weapons like this it's escalation now i'm not saying I know what the solution is. I'm just saying I think we've put too much extra resources into ridiculous things like you got to see these vehicles of these gigantic, what are they called? MRAPs, I think. And it's like I get that those exist to protect police's lives. And that's why we can have certain areas that do have them.

But I think our resources could be better spent in other places. Do they carry sniper rifles, the cops? Because those are offensive weapons. I don't know about carry. He's asking about offensive weaponry versus defensive weaponry. Not offensive, but offensive, I think is the question. If the government has it, the people should have it. Yeah.

That's fair. But I guess there's tough questions, man. What about escalation? The cops come out with a sniper rifle because you got a hostage situation and they want to try and get the sniper and take out the sniper and then the hostages start showing up with snipers of their own

in their own windows. You know what I mean? I get it. I'm not saying it's a... It's an unfortunate conundrum. However, I do not trust the government more than I trust the people. That's a good point, man.

And it's the people are the government. A i trust the people that's a good point man and it's the people are the government that there's even a diversion is so weird right so so like there's not an extra like and don't get me wrong i know officers that train you know one of my favorite instagram channels is knockout lights mike is a officer's officer right he's got like a beautiful like his daughter tactical trinity they used to shoot together and not so tactical trinity and he's got a like a newborn baby and stuff like that you know and his lady the family he's a cop he's law enforcement SWAT all of all of the stuff do I think that Mike trains yes do I think that Mike would de-escalate yes but unfortunately some guys a lot of guys that I've my experience do not de-escalate so to you

know tim's point that escalation is there now i don't think that there's a special type of human that is happens to be law enforcement so if law enforcement and the military has it the american people should have it it's just like if okay instead of there being two political parties that are like more interested in their winning, more so than what's better for America as a whole and your individual rights. Add more parties. Stop letting it be a duopoly monopoly. It's just the two-party system is a result of a natural tendency between people, and then the system creates this. The natural one one one person one

vote system results in a two-party system tribalism tell that to the chinese communist party oh well that yeah so uh i'm gonna i'm gonna pull up this uh this harsh criticism uh because i think there's a lot of people who uh it's it's it's there's a decent percentage of people who are disliking and have criticism and i think it's important to highlight. Give me the hard one, the ugly one. This was a big super chat, too. This guy dropped 100 bucks to say this. His last name is Hunt, and his first name is Mike. Mike.

And he says, this guy is a product of indoctrination and ignorance. It's just sad. I grew up in a city probably much worse than his, and he's been taught to believe lies. He is completely ignorant to the truth, and to be fair, it's not his fault. I personally... That's a vague statement. That was a word salad. But I think when you're talking about principle of liberty and stuff,

I think you're pretty fair-minded. I think you made points about race and reparations and stuff that I disagree with. I don't see why we can't have a conversation. I'm not going to sit here and just be like, you're right, everything you're saying is right. You know what I mean? So no. So let's go back to the reparations thing, because I'm pretty sure, based on Mike, I'm willing, if I had to bet money, it's either reparations or me being critical of American

history, right? I haven't said anything about, what I said in regards to reparation was the contradiction. On one hand, we're not allowed to have a conversation about reparations for black people people that identify as african-american right but on the other hand we have given reparations to jewish people we have given reparations to indigenous people native americans we as a nation we we have given reparations to these scenarios but the we and the argument when it comes to black people is well who's going to pay for it but very recently we just printed up three trillion dollars that didn't get back to the american people by and large right so to me i'm talking about exposing a contradiction i'm not saying i'm for or against reparations.

I'm talking about your reason for saying why you can't is a clear contradiction. So I think that's what a lot of people think you're saying, like you're legitimately for it. But we do have another comment here from Garhant. He said, 600,000 people died to end slavery. The U.S. paid that price in blood.

It was bloody and gruesome, but that price was paid. Base yourself in reality, not 1619 fairy tales. What was the economic... So that guy should tell me what the economic infrastructure of America was built on. Slavery. Yeah. Slavery. Listen.

It happened. War is conquest. You lost. Native Americans, you lost. Black Americans, you lost. Black Americans, African from the motherland, you lost. You were conquered. For tens of thousands of years, Europeans, the Spain, the Moors in Spain conquered and dominated Timbuktu, Technotitlan. Name any melanated place. The pyramids are 10,000 years old so we're talking about American history which our nation is very very young so my ability to assess from a global perspective and a currently where we live at perspective just because you don't like the facts of the matter doesn't mean

that I'm disillusioned you don't like the fact that I'm saying it. And I love where I live. The reality is the economic infrastructure of America was on the backs of black people. That is the reality. You lost. You didn't have a gun when the conquerors came. You lost. Native Americans, you lost. That doesn't change what happened. So that's what war is.

War was conquest. If America didn't win, if George and the boys weren't outlaws, criminals, because that's what they were. They were terrorists. Terrorists. They were definitely going to get hung. Right? They won. They won.

That's it. That's the only difference. They would not have. Yep. Right? They won. They won. That's it. That's the only difference. They would not have the same level of, they won. They won. Regular dudes, right? That's the difference. So I think what people don't like is their cognitive, their feels get a little bit, when this dude that's American as fuck. Well, I keep that out, right?

When that dude, when that dude that's black that literally has a come and take it shirt on under here, right? Mulan Lave? It's a really cool shirt. It says come and take it with graffiti all over it and all this AR, SBR. If I'm saying that as a melanated American, American, that is identifying our nation's good and bad and being honest about it, if that makes you feel some type of way, you may not be being intellectually honest. Someone tell me, all of these guys that are saying this, tell me what the economic infrastructure of america was created on you know you know the we here's here's here's the here's the real difficult thing with uh with the way youtube algorithm works right i think i've had a lot of people on uh the show that i really disagree with

and we find things we agree on and sometimes we don't and i'll just be like well i disagree with you and i'll say it boom and the problem is you know like there's a lot of people right now trying to generate as many dislikes as possible they're not they're not really generating that many i respect their right to dislike whatever i don't deserve anything from any of these people if you don't like it by all means but it makes it really hard because if you think that we shouldn't at least hear what you have to say or other people who disagree have to say then it's just going to fall into tribal extremism again right so i'm more than i i would love to have a show with like some far left and even to say, then it's just going to fall into tribal extremism again. So I'm more than,

I would love to have a show with some far left, and even people sitting in chairs. It's hard to get these people in. Plus, many of them are racist, and I'm like, I'm not sure how I feel about that. Like, no joke. Like, I'm not going to sit here and have them bash on certain races or anything like that, you know?

So my question for people who are really, really hating on this conversation is, how does that make you any different from the far left? Right. Why are you trying to shut down conversation just because you don't want to? Well, I think you guys might be a little harsh. There were some good points brought up. No, no, no.

I get their points, but they're wrong. I understand how they're wrong. They're wrong. So to say I'm disillusioned, right? I thoroughly study American, our nation's history, all of it. I've read Mein Kampf three times. I don't like Hitler, right? I want to know what kill millions of people and almost take over like most of the modern world? Right. I don't have to agree with Hitler. I don't think that Jewish people are the scourge of the universe. I don't think that. But but for me to not read Mein Kampf is stupid. Right. I can evaluate and go, this guy had some. First of all, he went to go get an adinkra symbol

and the adinkra symbol that swastika is an ancient african symbol i thought it was indian and a lot of people do that's why it's on the buddha's head but that predates the sankofa bird and all those other different symbols it's an adinkra symbol hitler also said he would trade his army for 10,000 Africans with the knowledge of themselves. Somebody go look it up and disprove me. So my thing is, I don't have to agree or like our nation's ugly history. Again, no one in this chat can say, I'm this person calling for the flaming end of America. I think that our nation, us included, we have not addressed this issue head on enough because we tend to not want to have the discourse. We tend to, no, not my America. Yes, your America too. The reality is you, we didn't, We don't have any four mothers.

That's a problem. I mean, we do, but they're not called the founding mothers. Exactly. But that's what I mean. But you get what I'm saying? Susan B. Anthony, but that was well after. That's well after. Now, my point in saying that is there was a time in our nation when women could not vote. Yeah. That's not, I'm not a woman to like, I'm not affected by that negatively or my lineage or my great. I wasn't alive then.

Right. But to acknowledge that that's an ugly part of our history. To some, like, that's ugly, bro. I think it's confusing with reparations because the people that were the slaves are dead now. So we can't pay them back we can't like repair them but so it's confusing i think it's confusing people so how so how how did the jewish people that were the the vast majority of those six million people were dead if those are the dead people their families their families and the things that were destroyed and

things like that my great my grandmother is alive. My grandmother is 90 something years old. Her mother was a slave. Wow. Wow. This isn't that far removed. Right. Right.

So that's my family. Yeah, dude. So when we're talking about like math and like logic and data and numbers, America's only a few hundred years old. The country. logic and data and numbers america's only a few hundred years old um the country right so when people are having these conversations or saying these things you're just exposing to me how much you're not paying attention to the numbers and the short timeline the timeline is this little we just because we're like 50 60 70 years old we think that that that it is a long time, but in the bigger picture and scheme of things, like in 1965, black people couldn't drink at water fountains.

Like that's like... Well, they had their own water fountains. And Black Lives Matter is trying to make that happen sort of again. But my thing to that is like this, having a contextual conversation. It's like let's reverse it. I'll say something that some of those guys that may disagree with me will agree with me now. Why are you calling President Trump a racist?

I need to see the footage. Even him being mad at the, you know, the Central Park Five and him getting missed. He was a New York Democrat for however long. Him getting media manipulated, it happens to the best of us. But I can say, okay, more recently, these are the people, the black people that I know personally that his policies let out of jail. Felons. And got him jobs.

And got him jobs. Not unemployment. So when we're talking about the left calling him a racist, wherever you stand on him i need to see the evidence and the proof of that i think he's a blowhard capitalist and a lot of times the class issue starts to converge with the race issue because a lot of the ex-slaves and their families are of the lower class because they came from but then i got money but i gotta i gotta sorry i gotta interrupt i don't want to make it seem like of the lower class because they came from less money. Sorry, I got to interrupt. I don't want to make it seem like most people are angry at all.

No, no, no. Most people are chilling. I mean, those people that are there. I want to make sure I give space to those who are saying they're unhappy and make sure we challenge our ideas. Their arguments that they disagree with me are always generally very general, very vague, and they never say, this is where you're wrong and here's the proof.

Let me read the super chat real quick. This is from Mirren Nalen said, loved the guest today. Took me a second to get past my emotional response to chew on the conversation. Question, should there be a push for the concept of national civic goals?

Something like creating the infrastructure for space mining. The first thing I just want to point out is people are super engaged. Even the people who are challenging a lot of what you say. I want to make sure nobody feels like we're leaving you behind just because if we

got to do Chung on the show and you really don't agree with me and I'm reading, man. I'm seeing your comments. I'm going to read your super chats. I'm not going to let someone come in here and say stuff you disagree with and just ignore. We'll challenge everybody. And I think if you think they're wrong and they think you're wrong i mean isn't it cool that we're having a conversation and we walk we we we say like hey we're americans we think you think we think we're wrong here's the smoother thing about that

but sorry sorry when i'm when i'm wrong and it's proven i'll go oh man i was wrong yeah i think i think what we need is just to have the conversation right and it's hard to to do in a medium where a lot of these people who want to have their voice heard, it's like, I can only read a handful of the comments. But once we get the neural net. No, I'm just kidding. Then they'll be like virtually here and we'll be like, yo, dude, listen. All questions answered at once. Listen, I'm all about listening to everybody.

I'd love to have Antifa come in and say other things. And we'd have a crazy argument or whatever. So I should qualify what I said because it did come off a little bit harsh. And I don't mean to condescend at the chat. No, no, no. I would say to the people who do disagree that this is the perfect opportunity to kind of polish your own thinking and be like, okay, why do I disagree with this? What are some ways that I can kind of engage and make a difference? Just super chat and I'll read it.

Right. And say, here's where he's wrong at. The American infrastructure was built on x if it's cotton let's jump into the railroad i want to make sure i get i get to the actual question though uh should there be national uh national civic goals like space mining and stuff space mining so so the question they're asking is like i think it pertains to the space race where we as a country we're like we're going to the moon baby should we as a country be like here's our mission here's what we as a country should do these cool things go to mars you know mine asteroids you know build underwater cities or something so i think before we do that i think that a national goal would be to start the conversation and apply legislation or remove legislation that is an impediment to us being what our ideals say we are. If we can prove that the origin of cannabis, to go back to that, decriminalization was this guy saying,

I think that cannabis, or marijuana is what he said, makes white women want to sleep with Negro jazz musicians. If that was his basis, and then that basis turned into policy, you took a moral position. I think he was trying to manipulate people. Absolutely. policy you took a moral position as i think he was trying to manipulate people like absolutely you know and if and if legislation was created and now we got people in jail because of the origin of that when you want to learn something you got to go to the natural genesis of it yeah and if we can say okay this is factually accurate if i'm lying i'm flying now that policy has been created off of this and this is fed into the war on drugs and so forth and so on,

let's repeal that. I think that that should be some of the things that are national goals. I got stuff about hemp because they were making hemp paper and he had all the trees and wanted to make it out of hemp. Yep, it was a business. So we got someone

who was really trying to get a question. Zarek says, I'll risk wasting my money again. Don't worry, I got you, bro. The fact that women couldn't vote doesn't mean anything. In light of the fact most men were conscripted and couldn't vote doesn't mean anything in light of the fact most men were conscripted

and couldn't vote. No woman was forced to do that. It's a good point. So it is a good point. But I disagree with that. The fact that no women could vote doesn't mean anything. It means something.

It means you're focusing on men and not women. All of the people around me that give quality, not all, but a lot of the people around me that give quality uh not all but a lot of the people around me to give quality uh counsel are women i think i think there's interesting interesting context in uh i don't think it's a simple i'm not trying to accuse you of saying this that like we just

told women they couldn't vote yeah yeah i think it was uh early on only landowners could vote and everybody says like wow that's so ridiculous and oppressive. And they don't actually understand the context. And then someone made a really good point. I saw this on Twitter. They said there were no IDs. There were there was no way to prove who you were. Land ownership was the only way anyone knew you were a member of the community and were voting on issues relative to literally where you lived. The reason the men voted and the women didn't is because the man was the head of the household who would go to the meetings while the woman was taking care of things. And it was assumed the man and the woman's vote was combined, right?

And so you actually had young men going to war and dying. Women didn't have to do that. You actually had young men who also could not vote because they weren't landowners either, but they still had to die for the country and were conscripted into other volunteer fire brigade and stuff like that. Now, those are the things that are the contradictions that it to highlight that to because it's not simple it's not like this one user-friendly one-size-fits-all answer no just men were evil and they hated women no but it speaks to a contradiction it's not a contradiction necessarily of malice necessarily but a contradiction of hey we got to rethink this if because at a certain point we rethought it you know what i mean we went i think i think it had to do with our society changed

right we had bigger cities not everybody was owning land but now now we had ids we understood who was a member of the community why they should vote system changed and all of these things are why i'm saying when we're talking about atoning and readdressing and self-correcting and course correcting these are things that are very important and when we're not doing that again at a certain point it was malicious yo you're black you can't own a gun that is the origin of gun control in America period and and with that being the case it's like nah bro that's not right we have to course correct during the time when you when someone can acknowledge that hey man there was a time when this wasn't what it was.

We were wrong then we were limited. We were not as evolved in our understanding of liberty and humanity as we got to a certain point. You know what I mean? And these again, these things. I think a little bit. I think a lot of has to do with technology and culture and society and just people fighting against it. People people saying, yo, you're not going to treat me like a slave, like I don't have a voice. You know what I mean?

People going like, because let's play the twist game. There also was black people that owned people in America. I read this on Snopes. The first slave owner was a black dude. So then it was about going to the class concept. You know what I'm saying? And so now does that justify all white people doing it no but what i'm saying is there's layers and gradation to all of these things and i think i don't want any of the people especially the folks in the super chat to feel like i'm saying like no this happened and america's evil. Bro, again, I live here. I've been to places that don't have a front door.

Yeah, dude. Like, nah, I'm good. I'm re-upping on America every year. We got another one here. This is from Chief Strider. He says, who built America? What about the Hispanics, Chinese, Irish, et cetera? That's a great question, and I'm glad that he said this.

Chinese, were they enslaved and brought over here no i think i think it was more like indentured servitude right and there's a difference between chattel slavery and indentured servitude made them build the railroads right like they got dirt for it and they right which is horrible still but not maybe not as horrible as like chattel slavery right native americans horrible they got the land, stole. Like, that's it. And again, and I'm not saying it's like we should give. It's not going to happen.

You know what's crazy? I was watching a Growth of America map. I can't remember. Oh, there was a recent Supreme Court ruling that basically gave half of, I think, Oklahoma. Is it? Or is it Kansas? I don't know. Like half of the city now falls under Native American jurisdiction.

It was like this crazy ruling. So I was looking at this map of the Westward expansion of the U.S. And I didn't realize like it's new, man. You know, we're born into this country assuming we got sea to shining sea. It's like actually no. It's like past hundred plus years, you know. And so you can actually see on this map Native American territory just being erased in the 1800s. Now, when you say that, Tim, are you calling for the fall of America or for America to give the land back to the – No, that Supreme Court ruling was nuts, man.

Right. And so what I'm saying is this is what happened. That happened. That doesn't mean like – but we have to not repeat that. We got to be intellectually honest about it, man. Like we can't pretend like that didn't happen. I got one here for you. Attica Ray says,

Dear guest, what do you think about recognizing our history but letting the past lie? I'm a woman and my grandmother was a slave too, but I will not be a victim stuck in the past. Nothing today stops us from being successful. I 100%, I 95't agree with that i felt that's not what i got from the conversation because because they think that they don't know maybe that i do whatever i want to do all the time no one's like i'm a melanated american that's a second amendment constitutional activist

and advocate everything in my schooling told me that the second amendment and the constitution wasn't for you i do not believe that because i know what the you can if you can trick somebody into believing that great great for you not for them you're not going to trick me into it so yeah maybe they did mean well not the three-fifths people most people don't even know what the three-fifths clause actually meant yeah they don't have the history of it right but it's always inverted right so i saw a meme where they said the southerners didn't want their slaves to vote and the North wanted them to. And it's like, actually, no, the South wanted power. They said, right, we have people, their votes.

And then it was the it was the North saying no. Isn't it? You know, the twist is if I'm the black dude that's using the thing, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence during a time when black people in America were treated subhuman, if that's the thing that I'm using as the framework as we travel around the entire country to empower communities to stand up to all Americans. I don't want my Latin brothers and sisters, my Asian brothers and sisters to not pretend like their lineage didn't have a strong hand in building this country. That's actually the beautiful thing about America. We're a melting pot. We cannot allow the small amount of racists that have a lot of power to convince us otherwise. So when I say black people in America had a hand in building America, that's not to disparage white Americans. If you take in that personal, like one sister said,

I had to get past my emotional reaction to that. Respectable. Right. And I love that she said that. If you're having an emotional reaction to that, to history, you're no different than the leftists that are saying, we got to tear down the statues because we don't like it you know i kind of feel like uh i think a lot of people are

make our operative assumption you're saying straight up we have to have reparations no you said you didn't say yes or no you said that don't use the argument that we can't afford it when you're gonna print three yeah right and i agree with that it's ridiculous they just started printing money like crazy it's a clear contradiction that never in world history has this worked out good economically. Dude, I'm so down to talk about a reparation because that's such an interesting concept. Because I wouldn't even want fiat currency as a reparation. What would be the right reparations? How do we repair the system?

I just want to say like the super chat's on fire. Oh, really? Because everybody really wants to throw stuff your way. So I mean, let's do it. What's what? I can't read every single one, but it's,

it's lit up. What's the best way people can, can, can tweet you all the things they're concerned about. You can answer it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anytime.

My Twitter is Maj to Ray M a J T O U R E. I got five phones, so I'm, I'm pretty, a lot of phones bro yeah i walk around with this hot spot yeah you know what i mean um twitter instagram m-a-j-t-o-u-r-e and i'll show you you know follow me i'll go back and forth i try to follow everybody that follows me up until whatever whatever platforms limit is um i'll show you how you're wrong um if you're right i'll go man you were right there that makes sense yeah like it's not complicated so you know everybody can you know

but i also want to make sure that people understand what we do with our organization so i want to clarify too just in case people don't know your black guns matter right yeah yeah i wonder if people thought you were Black Lives Matter. Right. I think they think that. We were kind of ragging on them. I am absolutely in opposition to Black Lives Matter. That current structure and the quote-unquote leadership of Black Lives Matter,

I unequivocally denounce and disagree with that. I know that the odds that there's a guy behind the curtain and it's not the people that they put in front of the curtain, you know, and even if it was the same people that's behind the curtain that's in front of it, the policy's wrong. I don't care about like, you know, like something that's going to be damaging to the black community and supporting it just because it's black people saying it. I don't care. Is it beneficial for the community that I live in? Because if the black community gets stronger, the rest of America continues to get stronger. That's just what happens. Right. So I think people also got to understand that we go into the areas that are most impacted by these left Democratic policies,

mainly in regards to the Second Amendment and convincing black people that you know that constitution ain't for you and something like that and empowering people that way we fundraise we've raised and given away over 360 000 to keep these classes free talk about voluntarism and doing a social thing right it's voluntary we're not taxing you you cannot do it if you don't want to right we are helping people as a starting point. And in each one of those classes, we're telling people this isn't the end all be all. You needed some basic information about firearm safety, conflict resolution, de-escalation and political education. This is the this is the one class crutch. Now, we're not saying stay on the crutches. That's how your muscles go into atrophy.

You know what I mean? So it's not like this, we're the welfare, keeping you on and just keep listening to Black Guns Matter. You're supposed to continue up the pyramid, right? So I think people may not know that part, you know, as well as I think people don't know that I am vehemently opposed to government involvement and support. I think that philanthropy and people, really rich people going, man, that community's been impacted.

I want to help by choice, right? That's bigger to me than the government going, vote the way that we tell you to vote, and we're going to give you free Obama phones, and we're going to make sure that you have $1,100. What am I going to do with $1,100 dollars bro like seriously like in a real and meaningful way you want to keep that's how socialism creeps in and turns into communism you know i'm saying so i think the people that are listening need to listen the people that are disagreeing i love

that you're disagreeing and being brave enough because some people disagree and they're like quiet if that dude. As opposed to opening up the conversation. These people are straight up like, I will be heard. Right. We got a super chat here for you. It's a good one. He says, I love this dude.

Yeah. Yeah. We had another super chat from a guy who pointed out, and he gave us a, it was a pretty good super chat. I want to make sure I get his name, give him credit. He said, YouTube's giving me the business. Royal Raptor says, this guy says, prove it. With only super chats and a 270 character max, think about it like this. How long does it take to poop on the floor versus how long does it take to clean it up?

Your statement's as empty as your grammar. Pathetic. Now, I don't know why you've got to be so. Why are people being so mean? I don't get it, man. But you notice he still didn't say anything. He still didn't prove where I'm wrong. What's up with that?

Because the question was, if I'm saying that America is our nation, our nation, where I live and love, our nation's economy was built on the backs of melanated beings, whether that's yellow people with the railroads. That's how resources are moved, right? Whether that's black people, cotton industries, all of those textile manufacturing, all of that, right? I'm saying that

and I'm asking someone to tell me, no, America's economy was created by this. I think people just need to tweet at you. Yeah. Because then you can argue with them all day, you know what I mean? So look, I get it.

Guys, we got a ton of super chats. This is legit. And I appreciate it. i try to read as many as i can so we'll go a little bit longer but uh i mean yeah they can tweet at you yeah and you guys you guys can argue on the image to ray i got time i got an rv i got a fireplace in the rv they do by the fire david franco jr says hey man you asked what built the american economy you can't dismiss all the other factors that built this place and only focus on the minimal gains from slavery. Very few people could even afford slaves. How many?

Okay, that's a good point. And one other super chat, too, that goes along with it. Someone mentioned only in certain areas, around 30% of areas. So most of the country didn't have slavery. So that's the point they're making. And that's a good, I hear this a lot. How many billionaires are there in America? I think there's four, there might be between like four and 600.

How many in America? No, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's wrong, that's wrong, that's global. I think America, I don't know, a couple hundred maybe. A couple hundred. A couple hundred billionaires. Yeah. A lot of them own a lot of the media, like thepert murdoch's and the whatever right oh they definitely yeah right and it's a small amount of them that controls like national and sometimes international media right

so there's a few amount of people that control the economic infrastructure or choices that go into the social political and economic landscape of America. So when you make this argument that only a few people owned a lot of the resources, that doesn't change the fact that the entire structure was around those few people that did wrong. And now this does not mean it sprawls, it sprawls. And this does not mean that I'm not saying that, oh, all of you white folks were the people that, come on, bro. Don't limit me to such a small and dismissive thing. And I'm also saying that there were a lot of white abolitionists that were like, no, this is not okay.

You know what I'm saying? John Brown. Yeah. I think we visited. Like Harper's Ferry, bro. I think we visited. Yeah. Like Harper's Ferry, bro. Like, come on. Like, we not.

I'm down with Bacon's Rebellion. I understand it. So I'm not saying that all of you white people are just like, come on, bro. Like, that's really reductive. But that does not change the fact that a small amount of people can influence the resources and change the structure of an entire nation and sometimes an entire globe. Like how many like Rome, like Augustus, Julius Caesar, like these guys changed Julius and Augustus changed the calendar. Those are two dudes. Those are two dudes. Those are two dudes. Rome was built on the back of slaves.

Kinda. But Julius was like, bro, I need a month, bro. Augustus was like, bro, I need a month, and my month needs to be longer than his. You're still counting July and August. Those are two dudes that changed your concept of the calendar. So don't, like, you can't, no, bro.

Jeff Bezos is really, really rich. This is what, you know, look, there was the story about George Soros funding these DAs. Yeah.

And many of these DAs won't prosecute. And people bring it up all the time and I'm like, I hear you. And you got Mackenzie Bezos. Right. She, listen, Jeff Bezos builds Amazon and she definitely worked a long time time i'm not going to diminish what her role is it was significant and then she divorces him and she gets this big payout and then dumps

billions of dollars into all of this leftist stuff it's that all of these billionaires do this none of them but but a lot of them right they're funding their idea and i wasn't you said earlier like if you were rich or someone said this if if I was rich, I'd probably do the same thing, right? You're going to fund what you believe in. I think Seamus said that yesterday. Seamus said that yesterday. Right, right. Yeah.

Look, people like, look, if you came across, you know, a billion dollars, wouldn't you want to fund gun programs? Absolutely. You see how it works? But the difference for me is I actually am in alignment with, I can be honest about our nation's history while still trying to improve our nation's future. I think George Washington had a bunch of slaves. Thomas Jefferson had a bunch of slaves. And I don't think those guys could have got done what they got done without them.

Now, they could have. That's why Thomas Paine was pulling. It's conjecture. I don't know. Thomas Paine was, because Thomas Paine didn't. That's why you don't hear about Thomas Payne. This guy wrote Common Sense. This dude is a some Freddie Mercury somewhere else was basically during because the argument becomes, well, that was that was what happened during that time.

This was a dude during that time that influenced the mind in regards to liberty of a lot of the founding fathers. That was one of those dudes that was like pissing people off because he wouldn't stay on one side. He was objective. He was a critical thinker. He was very logical and he assessed things situation by situation. He was honest, even in the midst of when it was not convenient and popular to be honest. So he didn't have as many friends, but they all pulled from his ideas in regards to liberty so when you have that i understand completely if i'm saying because this is the same guy that was like bro y'all are talking about freedom and you can't like own people it's a contradiction this is the there's quotes of him

like and i'm paraphrasing i he wasn't saying bro you know i mean but at the end of the day, it's like him during that time saying this is not okay. A lone voice. But it was money tied into slavery. It was infrastructure tied into it. And you didn't want to till that soil yourself. And I get it. I'm not tripping. Physically could not have tilled that soil.

Physically could not have. I think the easiest way to put it, I can't read every single Super Chat, but they are pouring in, and there's a ton of people saying, like, this is awesome. A ton of people saying, like, this guy is so wrong. So the reason I'm trying to highlight a lot of the criticism is because I think we're having a conversation,

and we're giving you your space, and everyone who agrees is just going along with it, and the people who disagree aren't getting their voice to counter and challenge. And so a lot of people are trying to bring these things up. I want to make sure I get to them. So, hey, guys, you know, I'll do my best. We're going to do our thing. A lot of people saying you got to come back.

We got to have more conversations. But someone brought up a really good point to have you sit down and bring on like a black conservative and then have a bigger conversation so that we have more people challenging. You know what I mean? Like give these people who are upset. Their avatar to be there and sit you and tell you. You know what I mean? Yes. I 100% agree with that.

I actually did something like this last week. And Saturday in Atlanta. I had black conservatives. Black liberals. Independents. Democrats. It was the Solutionary Summit. We're going to start doing it annually. You got to come to that next year i'm gonna have it in miami i think miami or vegas no time for me

man yeah you can't no rest for the wicked you gotta do one of these there maybe we have the van we're trying to figure out how we can convert it maybe i gotta get an rv or something get an rv because that'd be cool yeah it look man i'm all about honest, cordial conversations and rational discourse. I think what we could use here is, I don't know, people more prepared to represent those that want to have that challenge. You know what I mean? That's what we're missing. It's not intentional. I'm not trying to put anybody down.

We should do it in a debate. We should do it. Maybe do it at like the Soho Forum. Who would be a good person? So if you guys in the Super Chat that want to see some something different who do you think would be a good person we could bring here and then you guys could have a debate yeah and then i'll sit back we'll do fact checking and stuff we could do all that stuff that'd be fun that would be excellent but i mean like they're gonna say people that i destroy though they're gonna say to they're gonna say

like the black conservative ink people that are afraid to debate me but you're a conservative guy too so i imagine like you're gonna end up agreeing on a bunch of things because where we disagree now if you're talking about because that person said black conservative right those people aren't necessarily black conservatives those people a lot of times are just statist and they're saying it they again they're riding trump wave right those people will say things like police brutality is a myth and it's like come on bro i got beat up by the cops twice so that would mean like police brutality is a myth. And it's like, come on, bro, I got beat up by the cops twice.

So that would mean like if it's a myth, like the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot showed up to beat me up twice. Now, I can exist in a space where I'm like, that was a horrible representation of law enforcement. But those guys exist. Right. Is it as highlighted as media or is it as pronounced as media highlights it to be? Absolutely not. Those two things can be true at the same time. But to dismiss it, so those are the people that they'd say, he should have, I've already done their shows. That's weird. I say the same thing, dude. I say it all the time. I'm like, I've had so many bad experiences with cops.

But I recognize 375 million interactions mostly are not bad. And like one guy could have a horrible interaction one day and be totally cool every other day. So it's not like he's, it's not like you can't segregate the people. Right. The behavior. You have to, you have to look at that policy. You have to look at when you're talking about, because we started this conversation talking about Breonna Taylor. You have to have the talk about the bigger picture.

The war on drugs is the problem. It's putting law enforcement officers in unnecessary risk. It's an unnecessary risk. They don't know what they're going into. Kenneth Walker didn't know who was kicking in their door. So it's putting Americans on law enforcement side or citizen side in unnecessary harm. So we got to have that conversation. We got to have the conversation about too many laws being on the books. We have to have those conversations and these type of discourses create room to get it to the bigger conversation. We were just kind of mentioning sunset clauses built in, bless you, into like laws in general. Like this law will expire after five years. And in five years,

you decide if you want to keep it. Somebody list. Somebody said, V-City says, Brandon Tatum 100%. So let me tell you about Brandon Tatum. I challenged Brandon Tatum and I said I'd bet him $50,000 of my own money for him and somebody else to debate me together. He denied. He wanted to do it on Skype and yell at each other. A debate, Oxford style. Problem is these guys aren't smart enough.

Brandon Tatum doesn't read. Oh, that's a glove slap, bro. Oh, yeah. You just threw a gauntlet on the table, bro. I will destroy Brandon Tatum. Figuratively. Right, Brandon, you in? In a debate.

I said him and somebody else. What he said was, because this was months ago, then he made a complete fool of himself. He got on the Skype that they wanted me to be a part of. I'm like, no, bro. Let's sell tickets. Then he said, is it all about the money? I said, oh, I thought you were a Trump guy. Trump's about free market capitalism. You want people to do things for free, you socialist. You socialist. Now, when I said that to him, I said, let's do a Oxford style debate.

You can get somebody else that you want. I'll put up $50,000. Winner take the money. It's all about the money with you. Oh, you mean like the money that you charge people for your merch? You don't want no smoke with me. It's going to be rough. You're dropping the gauntlet. You got a glove slap.

Any body. Any body. It actually isn't a debate. To quote the master teacher, Dr. John Henrik Clark, I debate my equals. All others I teach. I will destroy these people.

And I want a debate based on rules and a clear, I want my victory solidified. I don't want like, you got more followers than me, so your peanut gallery's louder. I'm down. I'm totally down to have than me. So your peanut gallery is louder. I'm down. I'm totally down to have a debate.

I just got to say civility. We got to make sure that we got to make sure because I'll tell you this, man. If you're coming out this strong and you're saying these things about Brandon, well, you're putting him down before you even got started. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's going to be a lot of emotion. I respect him as a man. I respect him as a man. I respect him as a human. I think that he does.

He's not well versed enough. I think he knows the black conservative talking points. I think that anyone that attempts to. It's a contradiction. If we say we're Christian, if he identifies as Christian and you're not willing to give someone redemption and you think that they, you know, should be killed because they happen to look in a construction site or you

think that, you know, they're guilty because of the way that they look or so forth and so on. I think that is a contradiction to the belief in redemption. Jesus was with the criminals. Jesus by definition was a criminal he was speaking out against the state that's what happened he got crucified for it so these verbal crucifixions that i'm experiencing that's nothing that's a walk in the park so i'm not disrespecting brandon as human. I don't think that he's well-read enough

to compete with me in a debate. That's why I've already challenged him and said I'd put up $50,000.

Yeah, no, no, no. Just finish your thoughts. Sorry. And he's scared. People are talking about tons of other names as well. Larry Elder,

Candace Owens, the Hodge twins. Again, the Hodge twins follow me. I like the Hodge twins. Those dudes are hilarious. I think they have a subtle, they have more of a balanced approach on a lot of things. You know

why I think this would be really interesting is because you're a libertarian with conservative leanings. You're not like an SJW far left guy, but you have some opinions that are closer there. Because I understand the fact, like you, when you're saying, I'm left on some areas because some social issues should be addressed. Right. It's the same thing. But I'm supposed to not be able to say that if I'm conservative or black. I'm supposed to say you SJWs don't have any point. You Antifa guys don't have even a broke clock's right twice a day.

Exactly. That's the problem I have with them on Trump. Right. Come on, man. If you were being honest, you'd at least give him credit for the things he did right. And that's my point. So because I'm doing that in every area, moment to moment, reminiscent of a Thomas Paine, I can't say I want to continue to evolve as a thinker, as a philosopher, as an activist, as a constitutionalist.

I can't say that and ignore the evolution of our great thinkers. You can't ignore the evolution of a Malcolm X that went from a straight up criminal to like mad and frustrated and came home and hated white people, goes to Mecca, comes back and goes, hey, man, I was wrong about that part. I'm not wrong about the fact that there are serious issues that black people in America are facing at that time, especially. So you can't ignore his evolution like and just go, oh, he's all bad. You cannot do that if you're being objective about things. And if I if I was to do that in that spirit and not be objective about every such scenario. So, again, Breonna Taylor, I understand fully why the two officers that shot back after being shot at were not charged. I fully understand why the one officer

that shot more recklessly has been charged and he's looking at five years. I fully understand why Kenneth Walker, when I don't care if you're knocking or not, I don't have to answer my door. If you bust into my house, I'm going to be able to defend my house. I fully understand that. The government of that city understands that too. That's why they dropped the charges against him. The civil charge, Breonna Taylor's family was accepted a civil deal. I don't know what the numbers are.

12 million. 12 million. So there was a damage. They felt that that was enough for that death but couldn't that have been political they got riots man it could have been so they're like just give them money we got to do something maybe but you're supposed to because that's a financial obligation to someone whose life has been taken and i think they got off cheap at 12 million dollars yeah so good point so those layers of objectivity is the thing that most people have a difficult

difficult time um taking in because if you've if you've positioned yourself as hardline i can tell you where i agree and disagree with colin kaepernick i can tell you where i agree and disagree with president trump none of this is personal to me this is all business we are in a war an ideological war for the republic that is what's happening right now and if i'm going to be emotional in the middle of a war like i said earlier that's how you get your head blown off and i don't want to do that we have to make sure that we're being the example of balance being the example of fair and balanced being the example of objectivity being the example of fair and balanced, being the example of objectivity, being the example of setting culture that will then drive politics. So when someone from the right can say to someone

from the left, yo, that makes sense. Where Ron or Rand Paul can present things that make sense and both parties go, that makes sense. Where Thomas Massey can say, hey, guys, my one job as this public servant is to publicly vote on things. I do not want to not vote on the largest wealth transfer in American history. That's the you have one job. That's your job. I got to do that job. You familiar with Eric July? That's my homie.

Eric A says Eric July would be perfect. Eric July and me agree on a ton of the stuff. Would you disagree on things? I have yet to figure. Me, him, and Larry Sharp did a great interview. It was about an hour or two long. I don't know where we've agreed. I mean, disagreed.

I'm trying to find areas where I've disagreed with Eric July. He's a Cowboys fan. Is that it? Like, that's it. That's how it begins. That Eric July. He's a Cowboys fan. Is that it? Like, that's it. That's how it begins. That's it. That's how it starts. Then you gotta find the other stuff that you disagree with. Yeah, Eric July, that's the homie. And I've tried to find areas where I'm like, man, this guy's not making sense.

I haven't found any yet. You know what I mean? I just gotta text. I gotta... I'm trying to make sure it's not breaking news. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But all right. So I'll tell you what.

We've got 45 minutes over. This is good. This is fun. I love it. Why don't we set up something? And these people who want to challenge things you're saying. I'm down. Let's for real, man.

If you guys, the people in the chat. They won't show up. They'll show up and it'll be epic. We'll make it happen, dude. You guys are scared. Oh, snap. You're going to get them all angry. No, no, we'll do it.

We'll do it. So I guess we've got to figure out who, you know, look, like I said, most people are enjoying, you know, they're chilling. But the people who want to, who feel like you're not representing their ideas properly or you're getting things wrong, let's set it up. Let's have that. Let's have that. That challenge, that conversation.

What are we betting? I don't know. Integrity. What are we betting? No, no. We can do it. Free market capital. I got an idea.

I got an idea. What if we do a poll afterwards and all the Super Chat money goes to the charity of choice for whoever is deemed to be the winner? I love that. We can do something like that. That'd be cool. I love that. So then we get two dudes. You guys will go at winner. I love that. We could do something like that. That'd be cool. I love that. So then we get like two dudes.

You guys will go at it. I'll try to – I don't know if I can moderate. I'll do my best. Try to figure it out. And then we'll have some fact-checking. I love it. And then for the most part, like you and whoever else do the thing, all that super chat money.

Yes. And we'll do comments and stuff. You guys will each pick a charity and then boom. I love it. I love that. I'm down. I'm in for it. We'll start turning the wheels on this.

No guarantees. Yeah. Because we've had people cancel on us, and I'm like, guess who we're going to have tomorrow, and then they don't show up. See? But we'll get the gears turning, man. When we set it up in my schedule,

if it's ahead of time, I'll secure that date, and I don't flake. It'll be a really fun mental mental battle yeah between people and ideas and I've been kind of cooped up in the house for a few months so coming out to get a win you know yeah coming out to get a victory is always a good thing you see you're doing the like the the MMA guys will get all get all big and they'll get their ego up and they'll be like I'm gonna win and you got it you got it you got to make sure you put the, you challenge you. I challenged myself to do that because when

you do that, everybody wants to see you fall. Exactly. So people right now are probably like, I want to see this guy get crushed in a debate. And, and knowing that is what makes me work harder. There you go. Your motivation. Absolutely. Yeah, man. Absolutely. So, so a ton of people are super stoked now and they're like this is awesome let's do it because I think even some of the people who are angry are like yes we're gonna get this guy yep it'll be fun yeah but we did we did go 47 minutes over so I think we should we should want wrap up because I still have to work in the morning and everything but uh my dude thanks for hanging out it's been fun to have me for sure your Twitter is a at my shtu right

at my shtu right and let me is it cool if I do a shameless plug of course do it Dude, thanks for hanging out. It's been fun, man. Thanks for having me, for sure. Your Twitter is at Maj2Ray. At Maj2Ray. And let me, is it cool if I do a shameless plug? Of course, do it. So guys, outside of if you agree with me or disagree with me on some of these issues, we all, generally, if you don't agree with this, I don't really know what to say for you. Urban America really, really needs more conflict resolution, more political education, and more firearms safety training, safe and responsible handling. That's what we do at Black Guns Matter.

This entire tour has been funded by the people. If you agree, if you disagree, we all can say that we need safer communities, and we need guys and women that have the ability to defend themselves from weirdos rapists and all that other type of stuff so our efforts is uh we do have a gofundme page it's gofundme.com forward slash black guns matter every single penny has been transparent every single penny has went to in 2018 i think we did like 50 cities uh we got an rv now so we can stay in cities like chicago detroit new orleans we can stay there longer like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans. We can stay there longer, St. Louis, because sometimes you can't just do a Chicago in one or two days.

You know, we have conflict resolution kits. We show people how to get firearms lawfully. We link them up with attorneys. Again, we deal with conflict resolution. I can't just give you, you know, teach you how to get a gun, but then you're like, you're a psychopath, you know? So we deal with de-escalation, conflict resolution, things like that. But again, guys, you know, this is all in good fun. We even challenging you guys. I love the fact that you've challenged and disagreed. That's how we move forward. If you can, if you agree with that, if you got 20 bucks, if you are really, really rich dude and want to just knock out the rest of the million dollar goal, donate and some odd thousand dollars great just don't do it um if you got six bucks if you got 20 bucks i don't care man this type of information that part should not be political that part should be people having

the constitutional and human right to defend themselves from weirdos so um you know hopefully you guys have been engaged gofundme.com forward slash black guns matter right on man dude thanks hanging out. You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler at TimCast, of course. You can check out YouTube.com slash TimCast. YouTube.com slash TimCast News. My other channels, I put up kind of all throughout the day. And, of course, we got Ian who's been chilling.

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at Sour Patch Lids, Sour Patch L-Y-D-S, and we'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m. live. I think the internet worked. We had no problems. This is great, dude. This is great. This is the right day.

All right. And you know what? To everybody in the chat who had a good time and super chatted, really, really do appreciate it. And everyone who disagreed, let me know what you want to see

so we could do a better job. I want to hear your criticism and I want to make sure that we're doing a show that actually gets to the core of these issues and doesn't leave anybody hanging feeling like they're not getting the right information

or they're not being heard. And definitely, if I'm getting things wrong, I corrected myself like three times on the Brandon Taylor thing. We got wrong last night. That's great. I did it like three segments. I was like, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong. So I'm definitely trying, man.

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