Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #140 - Louisville Police Major SLAMS Antifa, BLM As Basement-Dweller, FreedomToons Joins

Episode Date: September 25, 2020

Seamus from FreedomToons (@Seamus_Coughlin on Twitter, @FreedomToons on YouTube) introduces Tim, Ian, and Lydia into a great discussion about a Louisville police major who tried to team-build in a questionably-professional way, three hundred protesters who have been arrested during the civil unrest, false prizes that people can win (read: buy), morality and religion being thrown out, and Joe Rogan's show being threatened with Spotify employee boycotts.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I am Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tune, subbing in for Tim Pool, who is unavailable right now. He has gone missing in what is believed to be a Sasquatch-related accident and sighting. We'll have more information on that as updates come. But for now, we have several topics, all of which I forgot, so I'm going to have to turn it over to Ian. So Sasquatch, man or bear? That's a good question. Neither. Neither.

Some kind of cryptid. That's all. That's all I'm aware of. Define cryptid. Oh my goodness's all i'm aware of define cryptid oh my goodness tim where were you i was i was sitting here oh i was just sitting here and i was like you guys ready and then when it turned on it was you and then you just started lying to people i literally just started lying to people i should not be allowed on the internet this is an epidemic of fake news online well i think it's okay so for those that are familiar with freedom tunes you literally produce fake news for a living all the time. I'm confident Trump didn't sing to Joe Biden about debating.

No, that was true. That one was actually. Oh, was it happen? Yes. No, I think you are one of the worst and most egregious purveyors of fake news. Sir, you disgust me. I would agree. I mean, you're not incorrect. It's supposed to be a little bit of fake, you know, a little bit of fake news, a little bit of satire. Before we before we just drill deep. Tell me a little bit of fake you know a little bit of fake news a little bit of satire hey before we before we just drill deep uh-huh tell me a little bit about freedom tunes okay sure yeah well first of all i would just like to apologize to everyone who had to see me two days ago now has to see me again well we did an episode it was solid but the internet kept lagging and i was here for a couple days so y'all invited me to do this again i really

appreciate it oh yeah um yeah i was dude i was so exhausted too i was so low energy you're gonna get high energy shames tonight. Oh, that's hot. That's right. Yeah. Just wait. We're going to do Trump impressions, Ben Shapiro impressions. We're going to get sick of time impressions.

You're supposed to change the impression every time you change the name, though. Ben Shapiro impressions. Trump impressions. It's like maybe even Jordan Peterson impressions, man. We might get there. But, yeah, Freedom Tunes is easy. Maybe inhale water, bro. I'm sorry.

Did I make you choke? Yeah. I probably did. Okay, that's what I'm saying, though. Oh, God. It's like Rogan all over water. I'm sorry. Did I make you choke? Yeah. I probably, okay. Oh God. It's like Rogan all over again, man. Yeah.

I started doing freedom tunes when I was 19 back in 2014 and the channel has grown a lot. It's definitely changed over time. At that time I was like a really hardcore libertarian and I've moved on a number of issues, especially as I've become like more intimately familiar with my faith as a Catholic and what the church teaches. And even though I still believe in very limited government, I think there are some incompatibilities between a really hard libertarian stance

in Catholic teaching. So I've moved a bit, but I'm still very anti-government, still very conservative, and I still just love satirizing the left wing. I think it's almost too easy at this point, but hey, why not capitalize on that? But you won't ever criticize the right. Ever. Not at all. Not once. Well, you know you know what here's the thing i do make fun of conservative people and they tend to be really cool with it but to be fair i think it's because they know i'm coming from a place of actually enjoying their work and wanting to rib on them as opposed to trying to like own them or something like that yeah maybe maybe or maybe they just have a better sense of humor too that you know i think i think humor is now appeared like it's it look you can't make

jokes on the left i know you're the the comedians that are still able to do these jokes are legacy comedians and the people who who start getting edgy get canceled yeah no you're so you're like if you're a comedian trying to make it now your audience is going to be right wing yeah i think that's true there's no there's no way no i think there's a lot of truth in that and it's funny because one thing i've noticed too is even when i make fun of right wing figures i'm still filling this niche because oftentimes when left wing people make fun of right thing right wing figures they do a really bad job one thing i definitely noticed that my work suffered from early on is i re-examined it it was just a little too preachy and i didn't put enough emphasis on the comedy i put more emphasis on trying to get a message across but i firmly

believe that if you're being true to yourself and just trying to make something entertaining your worldview is going to come through either way oh yeah make a good joke yeah well and so but that's why like when the left makes fun of ben shapiro like if you saw his appearance on uh i think our cartoon president is their jokes but it's like i just hate trans people or something like that uh it's like not funny yeah exactly it's like i'm an absolutely disgusting bigot isn't that horrible bazinga and then when they make fun of donald trump it's just like I'm orange and I have small hands. That's all they do.

That's still funny to them. When when when Family Guy did the episode with Trump. Oh, my. They just made him. They made his face bright orange. They made his hands tiny and they made him fat. And I was like, that's not a joke. Like the joke was made once.

We laughed at it. I thought the tiny hands thing was funny and then we all moved on the funny thing about these jokes that you see from the right if you ever go to like the donald.win which is like the donald trump forum yes they they love the jokes about trump yeah they post them and they laugh about it there was one where it was like donald trump's face was bright orange and then they i remember they posted something it was like don't we have the orangest president and they upvote it because they because they don't care yeah you have to own the humor and trump gets a self-deprecating

humor man oh he's totally about it so when he tweeted that video of of um himself on wwe with cnn's yeah photoshopped over somebody's head beating him up it was hysterical and in part because like there's obviously a cheekiness about that and there's clearly a joke being made at trump's expense because comedy comes from an incongruity and it's insane to imagine trump actually going out and beating somebody up as this big tough right right that's why it's funny like it's not as if trump's like i'm really coming after cnn i'll see you at the rig like the whole joke is that there's there's an incongruity here there's an incompatibility between this and what we actually know exists in reality and that's funny he's in the wwe hall of fame is he really? Yeah. Well, he deserves it.

Well, he probably won. That's the funny thing about it. It was WWE. It was like, it was gag fighting and CNN got really offended and then tried to threaten to dox the guy who made the meme. That's right. I remember that. Some regular guy.

He made a joke. Calm down, dude. And they tried doxing him. And that's one of the most fantastic things that Trump has done is he sort of forced the media to make it perfectly clear to the American people that they are most concerned with themselves and that they're willing to go after anyone who they see as a threat to their power. He'll insult the media and they'll lose their minds and they'll make that a story. And the American people are like, who cares?

You got insulted. Deal with it. Give me the actual news. No, they don't want to. Yeah, they're offended. Yeah, triggered. And so so you know what i think happens it's not that it's it's the left it's that it is it is but what i'm trying to

say is the people who are politically left that senses of humor are watching cartoons like you're making and and it's funny so they're not on the left anymore if the people who are who have a sense of humor are leaving to go find jokes elsewhere because the left isn't funny then all that's left is this withered husk that gets offended at everything and there's no laughter left. 100%. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that. I have a number of left-wing fans. Obviously, I cater more to a conservative audience, but I've gotten comments and messages from people saying like, hey, I'm more left-leaning or I'm probably what you would have considered a liberal maybe five or ten years ago. Still have the same views, but I really like your content, which is really flattering which is really flattering because like that's not my

target audience but it's good to know that i'm able to make those people laugh sometimes but why not i mean you've you've had videos where like ben shapiro reviews ben shapiro reviews so it was like ben was watching one of your videos and then you made a fake bench for a watch that's not that's not attacking anyone's politics or anything like there was just a joke about ben shapiro and it was funny because you may be familiar with the way ben shapiro talks you're doing an impersonation that was it or like when you had the didn't you have like the jordan peterson family thanksgiving yeah that was a lot of fun we did a ben shapiro family thanksgiving and then i followed it up with a jordan peterson family thanksgiving about a year later it's basically just a bunch of jordan

peterson's all yes come on man if you're not you're gonna tell me like you can't pass the turkey to me then you're not properly embodying the archetypal mythos of a family at Thanksgiving. It's like, what are we like? What does Thanksgiving mean? It, it, I've thought about this a lot. It means we are giving thanks. That's pretty straightforward. It's like, what for?

Yeah. He's, he's hilarious. And Jordan Peterson too. I mean, he's, he's shared the videos I've done making fun of him. He's super cool. But you're not, it's, it's not so much like you're making fun of him. You're making fun of this idea. Like that's why you weren't saying he was dumb. You weren't saying he was a moron. So why couldn't anybody laugh at that? Even if

you don't like Jordan Peterson, you were doing a video that was like making a joke about this character. Anybody left or right could enjoy that. Yet you feel like your audience is going to skew conservative. It seems weird, doesn't it? Yeah, it does in some ways. In some ways, it makes sense because I'm definitely more conservative. And like I said, your worldview does inadvertently come through in certain ways. I think what you choose to rib on somebody for is going to be informed by what you take issue with or what you find endearing, which is affected by your political beliefs. But I would also say that I do a number of educational cartoons

with other organizations like the Foundation for Economic Education. And I would also say that I do a number of educational cartoons with other organizations like the Foundation for Economic Education. And I also do some educational cartoons on the channel, though that's increasingly rare just because I've been having so much fun satirizing current events because it's an election year. But that stuff is all, it tends to be more conservative or libertarian. So people sort of smell that in the water and they know my biases and so uh i think maybe that turns them off just because of how partisan everything's become have you yeah have you been drawing your whole life yeah ever since i was a little kid i've been drawing cartoons how did you get started uh just with like you know pencil paper crayons what about impersonations

impersonations i think i started doing impersonations when I was 14, 13 or 14. One of my cousins from the inner city of Chicago actually came to live with us for a little while. And he was really, really funny. And he would do this George Bush impression. And I'm sure mine isn't very good, but I would just start to imitate his. My film air cans, we will do this and that. And then from there, it was always something I'd wanted to learn to do. But hearing him do an impression helped me to be able to do it. And then after that, I just started noticing that I, like many extroverts, will, to an extent, sponge off of people's personalities. Sometimes if you're consuming a lot of somebody's content, you'll adopt their speech patterns without really noticing it. And so I'd be listening to a lot of

Ben Shapiro, and then I would hear myself use a phrase that wasn't natural to me or that I didn't use that often. And I would say, oh, I'm saying that because I heard Ben Shapiro say it 30 times in a row. And then I add that to the category of Ben Shapiro impression. And so, yeah, that's basically it. That's why it's kind of hard for me to do impressions of people who I don't like. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And it's hard for me to do videos making fun of people I don't like.

I've done it in the past. But it's one thing to do a video making fun of a group that I take issue with. So when I make fun of the left, I just, as of recent, I've more or less depicted them as belligerent noisemakers because that's more or less how I view them. But as individuals, it's hard for me to take a left wing person who I genuinely don't like in doing a cartoon about them or do a cartoon about them because halfway through it, it just like it aggravates me. And it's hard for me to capture the part about them that might make an audience like a character. So even with Bernie Sanders, I entirely disagree with Bernie Sanders politics. I really, really disagree with him on everything.

Not a fan at all, but I do videos making fun of him. And in part, it's because there is this element of his personality that I actually enjoy. There's this part of him that I find endearing. And so that's why it's fun to do an impression of him and make a cartoon riffing on him. Well, speaking of Bernie Sanders, we have a lot to talk about tonight. 300 federal charges were announced by the DOJ. The Louisville police major, I guess, says that they're all basement dwelling punks, Black Lives Matter and Antifa. It has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders. I just thought it would be funny to tie Bernie Sanders to Antifa and Black Lives Matter. That's hilarious. How dare you?

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And, of course, we're being joined by Seamus of Freedom Tunes. Thank you. We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. And I guess we're going to start off with this story about the Louisville police major calling Black Lives Matter and Antifa supporters punks. Oof. So I'll just pull up the story right here. Check it out. Daily Mail reports Louisville police major calls Black Lives Matter and Antifa supporters

punks who will always be living in their parents basement and washing our cars in message to division she commands. That's a little bold. That's washing washing our cars. What does that mean? Well, that's kind of what they're saying, though, isn't it? Like, we don't have any future because the system is rigged against us i i mean it sounds like they're saying rabble rabble rabble exactly you know i was i was talking to a friend earlier and and

i asked i asked her i was like do you know because she was talking about black lives matter and stuff and i was like you know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed last year by the police it's like oh i don't know but you can google it. And I'm like, no, I know the number because I have Googled it. I looked it up and well, I don't know, but it's a lot. I'm like, it's 13. I thought it was eight. OK, so you're. Yeah.

So the Wall Street Journal's number was nine. But I'm using Black Lives Matter's number. I'm using the Washington Post's activist number 13. That doesn't mean all innocent people potentially killed. It's unarmed black men who were shot. So it doesn't include women. It's 13. That doesn't mean all innocent people potentially killed. It's unarmed black men who were shot. So it doesn some of them. I remember one in particular, like an old woman was being attacked. And so unarmed is tricky because people can be armed and the shooting is unjustified and someone can be unarmed and the shooting is justified. Exactly.

It's not as helpful a term as people think it is. But it's just the language they use because it makes it seem justified. Exactly. Like Breonna Taylor was unarmed they deemed her killing justified now i'm seeing all the activists and everybody's rising up and and this is the the police officer we're seeing who's calling them you know basement dwelling punks we're gonna wash our cars is louisville and that's where it's all going down but the justified doesn't mean i think a lot of people don't understand this too justified. Justify doesn't mean warranted. It doesn't mean good. Yeah. It means the police were cleared in that circumstance to fire that gun.

Yep. And so that's what happened, you know, with Breonna Taylor. Of course, all we get from the left is, and I'm not trying to blanket every single person, but yeah, too many of them. Propaganda. She was sleeping in her bed. They fired blindly through the door, breaking the door in. It's like none of that happened, man. None of that happened.

Now, as for this lady, we have Major Bridget Hallahan, who commands the Louisville Metro Police, 5th Division, allegedly sent the message. I think this is funny because should we care that she's insulting them this way? You're saying you're shaking your head. I don't think it should bother us all that much. I mean, they're burning down our cities. cities i think a couple mean words are probably in order at this point the first thing i thought about was the basket of deplorables hillary clinton comment yeah yeah well that's incited a bunch of people and they're and so i think i i i'm the kind of person who's like oh who cares he called them names right but they're definitely gonna use it

the left is gonna use this they're gonna be like see what the police are saying and they killed this person now they're mocking us on top oh yeah of the murder of a woman sleeping in her own bed how long before not true by the way but yeah how long before they start saying punk is a dog whistle for something much more nefarious oh for sure for sure yeah let me read this quote she said these antifa and blm people especially the ones who just jumped on the bandwagon yesterday because they became woke, insert eye roll here, do not deserve a second glance or thought from us. Our little pinky toenails have more character, morals, and ethics than these punks have in their entire body. Do not stop to their level. I think she meant, do not respond to them. If we do, we only validate what they did.

Don't make them important because they are not. They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart or living in their parents' basement playing COD for their entire life. Yikes.

That's all right. That's a little bit inflammatory. Seriously. So I feel like she could have stopped where she was saying do not stoop to their level because i'm assuming and then she did to be fair she did not torch a sports bar right right right right i don't know if she really stooped to their level but telling the cops

don't go around burning down the city that's like a really like the bars on the floor it's like okay and i'm gonna walk right over that sure i man interrupted lydia though i'd like to hear you man interrupted so i'm just gonna say i feel like that was really kind of the the gist of what she and I'm going to walk right over that. Sure. I man-terrupted Lydia, though. I'd like to hear your- Man-terrupted? That's right. I was just going to say, I feel like that was really kind of the gist of what she was saying, but she kind of cased it in some really snarky sass. I'm like, bro, that wasn't professional. I mean, sis.

She's a lady. Sis. Look at us. Me and Lydia are being so PC tonight. No. For sure. For sure. Like, why is she wagging on Call of Duty?

Yeah. Also, yeah. What's wrong with Call of Duty? Is Call of Duty played by, like, primarily leftists? I don't know. I don't know. That strikes me as Halo, you know? Isn't Basement Dweller typically, like, the left wing insults the right as basement dwellers?

That's every... I find, like, neckbeard and basement dweller are just what you call anyone who has upset you on the internet. Yeah, SJW women are, like, lady neckbeards. Oh, they call them legbeards. Legbeards. I'd them legbeards legbeards i'd like to hear that one but you never heard that it's like if someone disagrees with me they're not attractive i can guarantee that's sort of the thinking that's funny yeah yeah yeah

it's like is that it really doesn't make sense it's as far as they can take it you insulted me and hurt my feelings and you're ugly yeah well that's what and that's well it's kind of what she she didn't call him ugly per. But this is a police officer. Yeah, this is a major major telling telling her command name calling. Yeah, insane. That woman is totally unprofessional and is going to do way more damage than she. Well, I mean, the fact that it was released that it was leaked, I guess that was leaked. Yeah, she didn't say it publicly.

Oh, my God. She was she was like sending a message to her like her co-workers. Oh, well, I get that then. That's ridiculous. I mean, a little bit because you don't want to give them attention. You want to not focus the media on them and just shut them up and shut them down. Dude, I hate when this happens. I hate – all right.

It's one thing if they said something ridiculous and over the top and inflammatory that was intended to be inflammatory and was said to the public. But I hate when a private statement becomes a story like this, when it becomes national news. All right, well, why isn't, if this is so inflammatory, then why isn't the story about how unbelievably irresponsible it was for whoever leaked this to leak it? Yeah, who leaked it? It doesn't say, does it? Maybe. An anonymous source.

Yes. An anonymous source. We trust them. What did they say? Oh, the Daily Mail says this. Major Bridget Hallihan, who is white oh my goodness this changes everything that's relevant this is i was okay with her comments at first but now i'm out did you hear what uh maj had to say the other day maj to ray from black guns matter he said that he saw a bunch of white antiphon he yelled and i'm

like where are the black people at like it's it's black people at? I don't care what her race is. These antiphon people are mostly white people going around doing this. It's funny. Yeah, I didn't get to catch the podcast you did with Maj, but you guys accidentally put my Twitter handle in there. So I was getting a bunch of tweets for him as the show was going. They're like, at Seamus, like they tag some college professor,, at Seamus Coghlan says you're scared to debate him. I was like, what have I gotten myself into? You should have just accepted it.

I should have accepted your debate. I have no idea what we're arguing about. I'll just argue with anybody for any reason. That's great, though. Good job for it. So it was written by her. So the Courier-Journal published the statement. And they don't really, I don't think they say where it came from.

Just, and I don't think it's actually as bad as the Daily Mail makes out to be. Here's another quote from the email. There is currently no recourse we have for incidents involving doxing of officers or their families. What we can do is speak up against them and put the truth out there. Through the PIO office and the LMPDFB page. We will come back at them on their own page to let them and everyone else know they are lying. We will print the facts. I will see to it.

We have already taken care of one incident. I hope we never have to do it again. Just know I got your back. She was messaging her staff because they were getting doxxed by Antifa and far leftists. And this was her message. And then she goes on to say you know uh what did you say i am disappointed oh so this is a metro councilman who's now dragging her over this oh my so this this is what the media does because they want to take something salacious and do whatever

they can to make the police look bad so if you could you imagine like having a private conversation with somebody at work and being like man jerry down in accounting accounting, what a dick. And then someone hears you and they run and they tell somebody. Yeah, exactly. If you're the boss, though, and you're trash-talking people, that's bad for morale. Yeah, but you're trash-talking the people who are doxing your subordinates.

It's true, but I don't think it's the best way to boost morale for the team. I mean, honestly, I think it's a low blow, and somebody might have saw that and been like you know this girl's way out of line here are you saying she othered them if she's gonna say that about them she's probably gonna say that about me no i don't know i don't know if the people at work are like all that concerned that i don't think the other cops are like oh no she's gonna insult me when she's in something like that's kind of how people if someone does

it for against someone else you can bet that they're going to do it against you when you're not around no no this is tribalism yeah this is the police saying she's saying i got your back these people are bad what's happening is the media is using it to say see the cops hate you the cops think you're losers the cops the cops think you're going to wash their cars it's like blowing it out of proportion this is one girl's opinion now it's making it seem like it's a police the police major says all black lives matter are punks and basement dwellers and you know as if she had a public statement where she wrote asterisk insert eye roll here asterisk instead of just posting it online yeah it's ridiculous i'm pretty sure she did say that yeah that's what you

mentioned right right right it says like parentheses yeah i was like oh this was a written statement because when when you were first discussing it i thought that this this was something she had said publicly or actually stated out loud. But yeah, it was clearly something she wrote down. And now you've mentioned it was in a private chat. So this is not the story that I thought it was at first. This is why we have to read past headlines. But many people will not read past the headline, which is a serious problem. This does seem a little heavy-handed and unprofessional of her.

But I also understand what she's trying to do. She's kind of trying to team build for them. She's trying to hype them up before their big, huge, you know, they're tangling with BLM and Antifa. Yeah, they're about to go out and they're about to get bricks thrown at their faces. But maybe she shouldn't be riling them up that way. Or no, no, you know what? Honestly, I think I get what she's trying to do. You got to satisfy that emotion. She's trying to make sure they don't act a fool. These cops don't go out and do dumb, you know, dumb things.

So she's giving them that emotional satisfaction saying, I get it. They're really dumb. They're losers. Don't stoop to their level because she doesn't want the cop to go out there and crack a skull. That's interesting. Yeah, I kind of get where you're coming from. If she wanted them to go out and do violence against these protesters or rioters, really, what she would be saying is they're going to take over this country and then they're going to be in charge of you and you're going to be washing their car. That's the kind of rhetoric you would expect from a person who wants you to become angry

with the other side. But she's basically boiling them down to a non-threat. Yeah. I see it like if this was D&D and she was using her charisma, she's instead of choosing persuasion, she chose intimidation. And they're both charisma abilities.

And they both get the job done. That'll work, I guess, right? I mean, she's just trying to get them hyped up a little bit, but not too hyped up. She's trying to show that they're all on the same team. Yeah.

Well, and this is also one of those things too, where if somebody hurts somebody that you love or care about who you're supposed to be protecting one of the first places you go is that person's a loser you shouldn't care what they think you shouldn't care about what they did you and these people these people were doxing police officers her subordinates so it makes sense for her to be like look don't worry about them they're not a threat we're gonna keep them under control but rather you could also rather than be like that kid's a loser like it was your mom talking to a kid that's crying got bullied at school that

kid's a loser anyway or she could be like that kid is comes from a troubled family don't take it personally there's two ways to explain their behavior one is intimidating one is she should have said to them we here at the lmpd are better than Antifa, and we know it. Yeah, exactly. We're better people. Look at how great we are. Smile. So, well, I think we've beaten the dead horse on that one. Yeah, that was intense. But there's more news.

Department of Justice. They've announced now 300 people are facing federal charges for crimes committed by uh committed during nationwide demonstrations if you thought last night was crazy where we had two cops shot one cop got cracked over the back of the head with a metal baseball bat with uh with he was wearing a helmet thankfully and i think it was in portland someone chucked a molotov at these cops and they'd dodge out of the way wait till you wait wait till we get to this weekend so we got 300 now federal charges that seems low to me honestly yeah there were i think 14 000 arrests in the first like two uh the first couple of two weeks of the george floyd riots and we're only at 300 federal charges they're announcing this like i'm gonna be like oh that's that that's great that seems really low, you know?

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I think most people just aren't familiar with how many arrests are made. But this entire nation is on fire right now. There are riots in so many major cities. And so there will only be 300 charges at this point. What was the exact language you used? 300 federal crimes?

Yeah, 300 people are facing federal charges. Some attempted murder. Look at this. Let me read. They say to date, 94 U.S. attorney's offices, more than 40 U.S. AOs have filed federal charges alleging crimes ranging from attempted murder, assaulting a law enforcement officer, arson, burglary of a federally licensed firearms dealer. Oh, my goodness.

And you think we would have said that for the murder part. No, stealing guns? And isn't it interesting how a lot of that has just gone completely unreported so this is a crazy story man i'm let me i'm gonna let you guys i'm gonna let you guys in on a secret oh please do so in philadelphia uh on during like the peak of the riots some dudes tried breaking into a a i think it was in philadelphia it it was in Pennsylvania, a gun shop in like South Philly. And as soon as they broke in, the gun owner was sitting right there and he was armed and he went click, bang, and one of those dudes died. The crazy thing is the, I think it was the ATF, they knew about this. So I had talked to a gun shop owner about what was going on, asking if they had heard

this, and they said, yeah yeah yeah the the day before that happened the atf called around said we have intel that some of these these groups are planning on looting gun shops and so what what i was told is this guy said he just stayed overnight in his shop wow so when i heard that i was like whoa so this guy at his shop in south south philly probably got the same phone call probably did the same thing you did and I was like, whoa. So this guy at his shop in South Philly probably got the same phone call, probably did the same thing you did. And it was like three or four guys tried breaking into a gun shop. That's a special kind of stupid.

Yeah, unbelievable. Like, I'm going to break into a place where this guy knows everything there is to know about guns and has many of them literally behind him. And then a dude died. That's literally just suicide at that point. I wonder, there was a viral video during this where like i think it was in atlanta they crashed a truck into the front of a gun store and then you see people just run in and start grabbing guns like crazy and you know it's funny all of the people who would try to claim that it was too

harsh to shoot somebody for for breaking and entering into a gun store would probably say that we need to be keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals for thorough background checks. It's insane. So where was it? You said in Atlanta that they crashed it? I think it was Atlanta. Yeah, you want to see if you can do a quick search?

I think it was Atlanta. And I think it's funny that where's the big breaking news on this one? Yeah, exactly. That seems like a story to me. Like maybe a front page story. Can you imagine if some right-wing group had done the same thing or protests associated with the right wing resulted in that kind of activity? You know what? You know what it is? I think this this media bias where it's like right is always bad comes from the fact that in New York, it was liberal elites who were reading the paper and that was their bread and butter. And that's the narrative they've maintained. But now that we've democratized information way more with the

internet, now the New York Times is still chasing after that demographic that doesn't really make sense for them anymore. And so they start chasing it harder and harder, desperate. So if you get a right wing group breaking into a gun shop and stealing guns, they'll be the front page of every newspaper. They're terrorists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when the when-wing dudes went to the steps of the Michigan State Building, and they just stood there smiling, holding like Gadsden flags, they were like, right-wing terrorists to storm the building. And isn't it hilarious, too, that this is something that journalists have always said,

or they've been really saying for the past four years, which is that Trump is making life unsafe for journalists because the far right has been empowered. And then it was BLM that went and attacked CNN. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They smashed up the front of the building and tried getting in. The cops showed up and they were throwing stuff at him. Wasn't Trump supporters. And dude, it's never Trump supporters. Trump supporters. You know, you know, I was talking about this. I've always talked about this. It's not a new thing. I remember I went down to Tea Party events and I saw what these people were doing and I was aghast. Do you know what these people had the nerve to do? Sit in lawn chairs,

waving miniature American flags. My goodness, Tim. I'd like to see a citation for that. No, it's hilarious. I remember at the March for Life 2019, and we all remember this because it blew up into a massive story, it was suspected that a teenage boy was being insulting and harassing towards an elderly Native American. Vietnam veteran. A Vietnam era veteran, which is a wonderfully slimy term. Refrigerator technician in Omaha or something. Exactly.

And this became a massive story. First of all, not only did that all turn out to be complete nonsense, and they just tried to ruin this kid's life for a story, but the fact that that would have been national news or was national news when they thought it was true is ridiculous. Whereas you have people burning buildings down, and there are 40 charges you mentioned. Some of them are attempted murder, and that's not even being discussed. That's not even discussed by the media that's mostly peaceful most of these media companies okay this is conspiratorial are owned by the same people am i is it safe to say that and how far up the chain can we go on youtube without getting demonetized oh not very far at all that's crazy

i know how far up the chain oh like starting to name names yeah so well well i i i listen what you got to understand about these media companies is that the the person who owns them is not dictating what people can talk about no what they're doing is they're hiring people who already talk about it what you what you were just describing something and i had this image in my head that i think would be a really excellent skit where it's like the new york times like 1980 something and it's a bunch of like you know monocle wearing dudes york times like 1980 something and it's a bunch of like you know monocle wearing dudes in suits all like very proud and with that north atlantic dialect oh dare i say you know oh harum for this story about the republicans is quite interesting yeah and then

it's like as time goes on it's like a post-apocalyptic scene where we're in today we're in it's 2020 there's like trump everywhere in every newspaper and you see this, decrepit, haunted looking New York Times building because they're like collapsing. This would be great for like 2030. And you go in and there's just like zombie looking people with like mangled bones and skin and their hair is all like splotchy. And then you like walk in and like Trump. And that's what's going to happen if Trump doesn't win.

They're going to become like ravenous. It's almost like they're going to be drug addled. They're addiction. You know, they won't get their fix anymore. There's nothing to talk about. So they become withered husks, desperate to try and capture a story about Trump. That's what the media is turning into. Yeah.

Well, if not, they're already that now. Well, and that's the thing. I think they more of they more or less have just revealed how horrible they already were. I mean, if you look back in history, the media in this country is always in the mainstream media in this country in the modern media has always been really left leaning i'm sure you know about walter duranty who basically covered oh yeah so so walter duranty was a reporter for the new york times who wrote on russian affairs and he did everything the russian government wanted him to do or the soviet government wanted him to do with respect to covering up the holodomor, which is when they starved

millions of people to death in the Ukraine. And when whistleblowers tried to bring the story into the American consciousness and tell the rest of the West what was happening in Soviet Russia, he said that they were liars and discredited them. And he won a Pulitzer Prize. He won a Pulitzer Prize, and in 2003

they investigated his case and chose not to revoke the Pulitzer. You guys want to know some more secrets? I would like to know all the secrets. You know these awards are all fake, right? Exactly. You know how you get the award? You pay for it. Really? Okay. I figured you just had the right political opinions.

So, yes. What happens is you submit the award and you submit the award fee for, you know, and then if you have the right politics it's everything they're like oh we're going to give the award to this group for this reason and you have to submit and not every single award is this way but many of them it's like did you pay your award fee can you explain the hold them more i'm sorry yes i'll get into that in a moment but i have one question about this so if you have the wrong politics can you still buy it it just costs more money because that might explain why

trump well no no no let me clarify you're not buying the award no you're buying it's entrance yeah and then they decide you win you know yeah it's like it's like these lists they have like 30 under 30 40 under 40 it's like dude we get it you guys went out for drinks last night and you just slopped a bunch of names on a piece of paper and then acted like they were important yep it's it's it's in it look media isn't in the news industry is an incestuous disgusting beast of salacious gossip between people who live in new york and are bored and they prop each other up it's like could you imagine like you read a newspaper and it's like seamus of freedom tunes is an up-and-coming young star he's amazing and then you publish a cartoon where you're like, Forbes magazine

is the best magazine ever. It's like, okay, we get how it works. The same thing with the Academy Awards. High school superlative awards, most likely to succeed. If you know the people that are making the yearbook, they're going to make you the most popular, most intelligent. Marketing is everything, baby.

They rated me ugliest. Can you believe that? You can't. Because you didn't know any of them. It's all rigged. You can't sell it if people don't know it exists. No, exactly. I'm really sad that you trashed the 30 under 30, though, because I was really hoping to make that this year. And now they're just never going to consider me.

Of course not. No, Tim, I really want it. I think I love it. There was one where one of the judges was the boss of like a couple of the people who got it. And I'm like, get out. That's hysterical. It was like, we have an expert panel of individuals who chose their own stuff to be featured in our magazine to promote their work that this guy owns and makes money off of.

Imagine winning awards. Who even wants it? It's ridiculous. I wanted it so bad when I was a kid. I want a Nobel Peace Prize. Donald Trump wants to win a Nobel Peace Prize. You know what? That's the

thing is there's actually a case to be made there there's actually a case to be made for that they won't give it to him no of course they won't but he hasn't started a new war he's the first president in 40 years to not start another war now granted like that's kind of a low bar but he still exceeded it he's not only signed uh no he's not got no new wars. He's got three historic peace agreements just now in the past month, and he's withdrawing troops in the Middle East. I'm just sitting here – I'm sitting back like, oh. Dude, they're playing the Israeli national anthem in the United Arab Emirates. I don't know if that's true. Oh, that was fake news?

I couldn't sort – I couldn't confirm that. I wanted it to be true. I did too, and I dug around. I heard that they were playing it in Mecca too. I don't know about that. Imam said. And I dug around. I heard that they were playing it in Mecca, too. I don't know about that. I searched for it. And there's a video where they're like, oh, the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, right? They're like, it's playing the Israeli national anthem.

And it sounds like someone just put the audio over the video. And so I found it on a Turkish website. But that's the only thing I could find. No one else talking about it. No videos, nothing confirming it. And it didn't seem maybe maybe I'm wrong. don't know but uh look regardless the these peace agreements are historic and um i think trump's made a lot of enemies 100 who votes on the the uh nobel prize or the peace i think it's the uh nor is it norwegian parliament i have no clue norway

or is it sweden i believe it's norway right i think it's norway soigan Parliament. I have no clue. Norway or is it Sweden? I believe it's... Norway, right? I think it's Norway. So there is a chance. I don't know. Could be wrong. I mean, they gave Obama one.

Yeah, but Obama had the right political values. He was their guy. Yeah, Trump's not. Not even close. And when he got nominated, the media was basically poisoning the well on the guy who nominated him. I was looking for just a regular story to explain what Trump got nominated for he got nominated twice in like a week and so i see this story and it was like trump nominated for nobel peace prize and i was like wow by who and they're like far right extremist anti i'm like oh whoa whoa whoa calm down far right extremist who's happy

that we're not starting new wars no no it's donald trump they didn't they didn't actually say extremist but they're just like a far right anti-immigrant skeptic. Anti-something. Right, right, right. But the funny thing about it is I'm like, what do you mean this Norwegian guy is far right? Yeah, what does that mean? Like Norway is so much further left than we are as a nation. That would like if this guy is far right, Trump must not even like he must have looped all the way back around and outlapped this guy a couple times. And they nominated because of the peace deals, right? Yeah.

And also as if far right people are all that concerned with the peace prize that's just like really big to them they know but what is far here's the problem doesn't mean anything what does far right mean yeah here's the thing i'm so old i remember when you actually had to be conservative to be considered far right the term literally just means i don't like you yeah it's not it's not just that when we say far left you can you can define very easily a far left a far leftist how though they even mean so far left refers to uh left and right refer to economics and culture when you say far left the far left individuals in this country almost all of them are economically far left and culturally culturally far left meaning they want a communist or socialist system and they're ultra progressive

like you like leftist identitarian, white people bad, like whiteness. I should say not people, but like the idea of whiteness and critical race theory. When you say far right, you could be talking about a laissez-faire capitalist who's not particularly traditional. You could be talking about a progressive laissez-faire capitalist who doesn't seem to make sense but could possibly exist. You could be talking about, I don't know, Nazis.

You could be talking about ultra-traditionalists who believe in universal healthcare or ethno-nationalists who completely agree with Black Lives Matter. It doesn't mean anything. When you go to the Anti-Defamation League

and you look at their heat map, it says their right-wing extremism is like three different kinds. If you're anti-government, they call you right-wing. So I'm like, so Antifa is right-wing now? Because they're totally, they're the biggest anti-government faction right now. It's a big circle and if you go anti-government they call you right wing what so i'm like so antifa is right wing now because they're totally they're the biggest anti-government faction right now circle and

if you go far left you come up on the far right no but it doesn't mean anything i know it's nonsensical terms there's up and down side no the point is far left means something black lives matter activists tend to be bernie sanders supporters democratic socialists or communist and they all agree on the social justice stuff, the cultural and the economic of the far left. When you say far right, what are you talking about? Ultra traditionalist?

Are you talking about a laissez-faire capitalist who thinks that we should, you know, for ultimate free market? I don't know what that means. It used to be a fascist, like a hardcore fascist. Yes, and that's still the image they want to paint. When they say far right,

they want you to think fascist, even though it can refer to any number but we're fascists even far right no i don't think so they were like status they were authoritarian right but i don't think they were necessarily like because because far right typically implies competitive markets and so anti-liberal fascists are very anti-liberal there's another left and right so when we talk about the political compass it doesn't seem to make sense when we talk about culture left and right. So when we talk about the political compass, it doesn't seem to make sense. When we talk about culture, left and right refers to pro-status quo versus anti-status quo in a sense. So a lot of people – it comes from the French Revolution. The right were the people like sitting on the right side and the left were the people sitting on the left side. The left wanted a revolution.

The right wanted to maintain the status quo essentially. So you're right wing if you're like keep it the way it is. Yes. And this is something that's actually really important to me. I mean, when you look at the French Revolution and its fallout, I think it's pretty obvious that the left were the bad guys there. And that's sort of the foundation for the modern left. And whenever I hear other people, particularly Catholics, say things like, well, you can be a Catholic and left wing. I think that's true for certain issues. But you have to remember, like the intellectual foundations of the left were completely predicated on fighting the Catholic Church and its interests in Catholic people. So that's just one one they would say things like, I don't need the Bible to be moral.

And if you need religion not to rape someone, like, whoa, something must be wrong with you. And it's like, but you were raised by these people. So you might not believe any of this stuff. It's okay. But you realize your morals were rooted in growing up and being told what was right what was wrong and you have judeo-christian moral values you you probably celebrated like the i'm talking about like the boomers yes like you know who like when i was like in the 90s in the 2000s who were very you know secular and mocked you know really the

atheists and all that stuff the atheist movement they had the same moral foundations, just not the theism. Exactly. And now what we're seeing with Black Lives Matter is a completely different moral foundation. They believe authoritarianism is good. They believe they'll deny it, but that's because they don't know what the word means. They believe they have a right to exert their authority over you without question. And if you oppose them, they can crush you and destroy you. They'll say, abolish the police.

And then when they need the police, they'll call them in two seconds. Yep. they'll say abolish the police and then when they need the police they'll call them in two seconds yep their moral foundations are are diametrically opposed to the traditional moral foundations of the united states and it's not even it's it's i think the point i'm getting at is i wonder if the culture war can be rooted in morality does the left the like the black lives matter people do not share the same morals as most americans No, of course not. But because most Americans have, I guess, gotten complacent and accepting, they're letting a small faction of fringe individuals lie to them, push insane policies, and just seize power. One million percent. So I find this really fascinating. Oftentimes people will say that public schools are used to propagandize children, and I couldn't agree with that anymore. But the reality is if you want to instill your

tyrannical philosophy in the state or in the minds of the average person, you don't really have to do all that much work indoctrinating them into your ideology. All you really have to do is ensure that they are raised without any real virtues. And what will happen is as they become adults, they will have been habituated towards taking the path of least resistance in their personal social lives. And any time they're in a situation where speaking out might become uncomfortable or make the situation uncomfortable or unpleasant, they're not going to do it because, again, they've habituated themselves towards doing what is least difficult. And so when you do have the people you have indoctrinated into your system

achieving cultural ascendancy, they won't stand up against that. I wonder if, you know, they call it white supremacy, but I wonder if that's just, first of all, I think they say it's white supremacy and whiteness as, I mean, first I said white supremacy. Now they say whiteness, which is kind of creepy, but it's very obvious they were trying to change the definition of word finding something that people would find morally repugnant and then claiming anything they didn't like was that word yes and they play with definitions all the time i wonder if what they're really going after is just the the moral foundations of of christianity that's what you know christian morality and that's why that's why i mentioned that the french revolution and the

terms right and left basically come from a war for or against catholicism and traditionally catholic values and in the united states has never been a catholic nation but it's been christian and there are certain principles that you know protestants and catholics share and i think those are the ones that are generally under attack by the far left at this point in time and oh sorry to interrupt were you no no no i just want to drop one more thing you mentioned earlier about people saying that they don't need religion in order to be moral and this is something i heard time and time again but then oftentimes these same people will turn around and say the only case against abortion is a religious one okay i was thinking about the french revolution and how we had a god they had a god king basically the king was god louis was a king he was god i don't

know that he was a god he there was divine right yeah so there was a divine there was a divine right of kings but nobody thought that he was a god well the french revolutionaries wanted to undo god they basically wanted to do away with church and that was part of it is get rid of the king get rid of the church let's start over new let's start a new calendar new everything and they were villainous robespierre was a psychopath he gained power and became super corrupted Danton was like his second in command also a crazy violent guy but they overthrew the monarchy which was

ripping people apart it was starving the country it was causing tremendous poverty it's the pendulum swing it's you have one really bad situation and it gives rise to another really bad situation from really bad people so i think the black lives matter see this situation like that even though i don't think it's that bad at all yeah it's it's social media and the media yes creating the perception of chaos when i mean when then they bring the chaos i can't remember

someone tweeted this i can't remember who it was. Some high profile Democrats saying like, when will Donald Trump? I don't know. It was like it was like a news outlet saying, yes, there have been riots, but Donald Trump needs to take responsibility for the right wing militias that have been starting the fights. That's so insane. That's never happened. And so these people, you know what I think it is? I think these people have all fallen into the toilet whirlpool together where you've got like imagine this table right now Imagine if I looked at you and said hey I heard there were some like crazy right-wing dudes coming pass it on And then you looked at ian and said crazy right-wing dudes are coming passing on then ian looks back at me and says

Dude, we're about to get a wave of crazy right-wing dudes And then i'm like dude they're coming seamus The right-wingers are about to be here and it just keeps getting crazier every time it goes around in a circle And it was all like me starting with me going, hey, do those guys look like right wingers to you? Yep. And then you're like, yo, Tim just saw a bunch of right wingers coming. And then you're like, dude, right wingers are coming to attack us.

And then I'm like, I saw them earlier. You're right, Ian. That's the only thing that explains it. If I saw them and now you're saying it, what it really is, is they're in a toilet spinning around in circles. Yeah. The rest of us are not in that toilet. They've created this perception.

And then from it, they burst from the toilet covered in human waste, going of us are not in that toilet. They've created this perception, and then from it, they burst from the toilet, covered in human waste, going, ah, smashing windows and screaming, the end is nigh. It's that game of telephone. You know, you ever play telephone where you whisper something and someone's here,

then they whisper it, they whisper it, and then you see how accurate it is when it gets back to you around the circle. But I wonder if the people in control of the news organizations are actually seeding bad info to create no well no no no no yeah having having having worked at them i'll tell you what it is it's a lack of ethics it's a lack of morality it's a desire for profits and revenue it's and it's not i wouldn't necessarily

call it in malicious intent i would call it i would call it like it's not willful it is malicious but it's the product of the system where the dude in charge of the money doesn't know or care about politics. So he sees an article and says, whoa, that one got a bunch of clicks. Who's Donald Drumpf? I don't know, man, but get more people to do whatever that was. Then the editor in chief is just like, wow, you know, they're saying we got to get more of this stuff. They look at a resume. So you wrote this Donald Dr Donald Trump is literally Hitler piece.

Welcome aboard. And they shake their hand. And it's not so much that they're being told to lie. It's not their boss is like, we must have you lie about Trump. It's like they're literally sitting there hearing their own refuse back in their own heads. Yeah. And so that's the point I was making. Imagine if I said to Seamus, I think I saw some right wing guys.

And then he said, yo, Tim said right wing guys are coming. Then you run to me and go, dude, right wingers are coming here. And then I went, whoa, I just saw him. If you're saying that, too, it must the militias are coming, smashing windows and burning everything down. And then the media goes, did we incite that? Let's just not talk about it. They're peaceful. They were peaceful the whole time. Well, yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. Part of where I'm conflicted here is I tend to agree with your position, which is that they're caught in these echo chambers and they don't necessarily mean to lie, but the story just gets more and more out of control. And they believe that they're on the quote unquote right side of history. So anything that they say will be justified. But the narrative also changed really quickly once it was obvious that the American people didn't support the riots and weren't sympathetic to them.

At first it was, well, writing is the language of the unheard. And then as soon as public perception and opinion, as soon as public opinion towards Black Lives Matter turned, they started saying, oh, it's actually right wing agitators. So that's why I'm a little skeptical of the idea that it just got out of control. It just it seems like a direct shift based on what they now new public opinion was. It's I think the media is blindly chasing after whatever works and the Democrats just trust the media. Yeah. So like mail in voting is a good example there was a story in axios today saying that democrats are pivoting pivoting away from it now really yeah yeah it's one story doesn't necessarily mean it's true but there are several organizations now telling people to go drop your mail off in person and i see this

from a ton of activists they're saying don't trust the post office you know things like that you've got to make sure you mail in person and and why so late how is it that the day the story drops about like you know primary ballots being discarded here i am saying wow look primary ballots got discarded breaking news from say politico and then i get all the people watching it and we all talk about it and the left is like what ballots yeah so i i had this i know this guy and he tweeted he like some some you know cringe leftist tweeted something about uh you know trump is going to stage a coup and he's refusing to give up power and then this guy i know tweeted where's the lie and my response was i'm like dude challenging you know filing a lawsuit about contested ballots is not staging a

coup no telling you know hillary clinton telling biden not to con contested ballots is not staging a coup. No. Telling, you know, Hillary Clinton telling Biden not to concede is not Biden staging a coup. Y'all need to relax. And then a bunch of and then his response was, what ballots? So you mean to tell me it's been like three months since the stories broke about the prime, the mail in votes disappearing or not being delivered. And you didn't know about it. You're this late to the party. And now the Democrats finally catch up. So with Black Lives Matter, when before George Floyd died,

support for Black Lives Matter was at 17 or 18 percent net support, meaning, you know, that's like there's more support than opposition. Yeah. Then George Floyd died. George Floyd died and it spiked to 25. Today it's at 10. Yep. It is lower now than it was before the George Floyd died and it spiked to 25. Today, it's at 10. Yep. It is lower now than it was before the George Floyd incident because the Democrats were watching the media say peaceful protest, just peaceful protesters. Some peaceful protesters choose more confrontational tactics. Yeah, 93% peaceful. That's my favorite. And they still say that stuff.

And regular Americans are like, why did the guy on TV say it was peaceful when I literally just got sent a video of a dude burning down a pawn shop or shooting a guy in the chest? Oh, what were you going to say? I was just going to say it's really funny that they're talking about this 93% number. And I think they've mostly dropped it. I haven't heard it frequently. No, some ESPN guy just spewed it out again. 93% of the protests are peaceful. 93% of serial murders, or 93% of the time, serial protests are peaceful 93 of serial murders or 93 of the time serial killers

are peaceful too well in also yeah i mean seven percent of protests becoming violent is a massive number when you're dealing with a country as large as the united states in every major city across it has protests within it seven percent is not a small number and that's why it's funny because i saw left-wingers saying that only 93% of them are peaceful. And then I'm not sure where that metric came from. So I'm not going to say it's wrong to be skeptical of it. But a lot of right-wingers were saying, no, this is fake news from the left. It's like, dude, even if that's not fake news, that's really high.

Like you're missing the point. 7% is a lot. I mean, it's the fake news about it is how they're trying to they're changing the argument. My argument is, wow, these violent protests are horrifying. It's too bad they're not like the peaceful protesters. When the peaceful protesters went on the bridge and laid down on their stomachs and put their hands behind their back and got a bunch of press attention. I said, that's awesome.

I said, I disagree. But, you know, hey, man, peaceful protests. This country is all about it. Then then another group went around smashing windows and like beating people. And I said, well, that's terrible. And that was the message we got. And then instead of arguing that, instead of just agreeing that it's bad, they argued, but what about all of the peaceful protests? Nobody's complaining about all the peaceful protests. That's not the news story. We get their peaceful protests. We don't talk about them

because they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Yeah, that's just called a protest. It's funny. Well, yeah, this is completely insane. It's completely insane. But when you have, you mentioned earlier this, like, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought. I apologize. How dare you?

This is so embarrassing. Don't make fun of me. Quit, do a Ben Shapiro impersonation. Okay, thanks. So he lost his train of thought because he's an absolute idiot. He was thinking about something related to what old Tim Pool just said over there, and then it slipped his mind as soon as he started talking about it, and then he trailed off, and it was really embarrassing.

So can we please just not draw attention to it, folks? Okay? It reminds me of the Family Guy joke of the vaudeville piano players, and that's usually a script. Quick, play me out! And they're like, get away! He lost his train of thought. It's over.

If it was 93% peaceful, and then I'll segue into you. That means every 11 seconds something violent happens for one second. I mean, it's every 11 seconds. That's like 7.1 or 6.8% or something. I know. I remember what I was going to say before I lost my train of thought. Remember when 7% of Tea Party protests turned violent? I was like, what percentage was that? Dude, there was somebody who claimed someone at a Tea Party protest said the N-word, and

they were never able to offer proof, and just maligned the entire movement right for the entire country listen it's it's because conservatives keep playing let me let me tell you something if you were playing monopoly and and then the the person you're playing against kept cheating would you you wouldn't keep playing no you'd be like okay i'm not gonna play this game yeah for some reason conservatives and even to an extent moderates who the ones who are getting more politically active are sitting here as the media will say something like oh you know this group of people did a bad thing and then all these conservatives go oh that's not fair you can't say this about us and then the left will do something and the right will go hey look at the left and the left will go

not playing that's a really good not playing that's a really good point yeah the republicans are like please please don't view me as a racist. Don't view me as a sexist. Whatever it is you're labeling me as. Instead of just saying it is ridiculous. I'm not even going to acknowledge it. Because he controls the media. Instead of the Republican Party saying, you know, don't give interviews to like a certain

organization, like just straight up. I don't do interviews at all. I don't blame you. I won't do it. I get an email. I'm like, got her. Gone. Don't care. these people are not look it is not the job of a journalist to tell you the truth it is the it are

the modern journalist it's the job of a modern journalist to generate traffic for the website yes that the marketing that the sales team can pitch then to a brand and say look how many clicks we got so let me tell you what do you think happens then? If, I don't know, people are out throwing cans of Goya beans at a riot, Goya is going to be like, we don't want to be associated with this. So don't include, we're going to stop selling. I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen where big brands will be like, hey, you're reporting on this story. Man, you know what they do? It's a really clever tactic. When some companies know they're about to get a whistleblower and they know where it's coming from. So a journalist could be like, hi, you know, we're calling, you know, the Tim Pool show. We've got a whistleblower who's going

to say these things about you. Then the big company, when they hear this, they go, oh, you know, it's so unfortunate you're going to do the story. We were about to do a big ad buy with you. Yeah. You know ad buy with you yeah you know so so like basically you know you'll get a cookie company someone will say they're putting rat poison in their cookies the journalist calls the cookie company then the cookie company says let me get back to you and we'll give you a quote calls the sales department of the news organization and says we'd like to buy a million dollar ad buy with you and they go oh hot dog done so bribery and then so it's it's it's circuitous, but yes,

because then the ad team goes, hey, everybody, just a heads up, we're doing a big ad with Cookie Company, so it's a conflict of interest. Any of the reporting we do, just so you know. Now, most of the editorial teams are independent for a lot of these companies, so it doesn't work that way,

but a lot of the new companies don't have that same level of independence and will absolutely be like, yo, shut that story down man they're giving us money dude a lot of new media has no oversight at all it's like no fact checking guy running a website and he links to another article that he read which links to a third article which links back to his article and that's the oh this is why we have snopes thank goodness let me tell you so i had nbc smear me claiming that I was pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, which is completely bunk.

It was based off of a live stream from several years ago when a Fox Business article came out claiming Seth Rich had information on his computer. They retracted the story. When the story came out, I was like, whoa, this is crazy. And I made a point about how if someone asked me if I thought it was real, I'd be like, you know, 65, 70 percent or something. I think I said like 57 to 65 percent. What I was saying was, even though this story came out claiming that he had the information, I still don't believe it. What did they do several years later?

And well, after the article got retracted, NBC News puts in their article that I pushed it and they link to some random conspiracy blog. Then Variety and a bunch of other outlets clone that article without fact checking. And then NBC removed it and they created a big circle of self citation. It's called XKCD, you know, for all his faults. He calls this essentially is a different version. I'll explain it. Cytogenesis, like site and Genesis. And he's he describes a phenomenon that happens on Wikipedia. This is amazing. Someone will go on Wikipedia and they'll write up something nonsensical.

They'll say, you know, Freedom Tunes is a far left cartoon show, which is true. And then they'll publish it. Right. And if if you're not talking about Trump, you're talking about someone who isn't the most prominent person in the world, it'll probably get overlooked for a short amount of time. But then a journalist will be like, I need to find information on Freedom Tunes. And they'll look it up on Wikipedia and say, it's a left-wing cartoon. Then they'll write a story based on some glance. They glance on Wikipedia and saying, Freedom Tunes, comma, a left-wing cartoon. Then someone on Wikipedia says, hey, there's no citation for this and they go got it right here and then they take that other article so it's a circle of fake sources yeah this is like that's

what they do have you heard the phrase idea laundering i can't remember was that one of the weinsteins or gad sad i don't remember who it originates with yeah it's basically the same concept i got accused of that because some uh anarchists on reddit posted something like make sure you bring your guns or something to a Portland protest with Proud Boys. And so I tweeted, they're talking about bringing guns. And then a bunch of conservatives picked it up. And then it started a game of telephone. And then it became Antifa announces they're getting armed for, you know, armed Antifa announces.

It picked up steam in like 2010. Something about being able to make ad revenue online about 2010 is when it started to pick up steam. Like YouTube really pioneered internet ad revenue. Yeah. And then you could start your own website. You get Google ads. Facebook ads started paying you. It was Facebook.

Facebook. Because Facebook was like the beginning of this algorithmic content drive. So what happened was you had in in in the early days of facebook somebody makes a news website and they would call it like you know freedom tunes news oh my goodness i'm so on the spot here and so uh i mean i'm just i'm just it's a safe reference your brand so let's say you have two two channels timcast and freedom tunes news and freedom tunes news is an opinionated hard hard, you know, Just horrible.

Just like, I hate Obama. That Obama. And then Tim Kass is very much like, today Obama announced a new plan to bring peace

to the Middle East. Of course. Well, not really Obama. Obama's new plan was to bring drone bombs to the Middle East. He did announce it, I think. The point is,

in the early days of Facebook, and it's even true to this day in a lot of ways on many platforms, people don't interact with boring, straight news. news. And they choose the more bombastic content. I mean, this is true for me too, because I do opinion, you know, I fact check, but I like to think that my opinions are to a certain degree informed. But of course, my, you know, I could be wrong their opinions. And so people are more interested in seeing what someone has to say.

There's a couple of things to consider here. We don't need straight facts like straight fact news because we know for the most part the moment something happens. Donald Trump gives a speech and he says, you know, I'm going to win a Nobel Peace Prize. I was nominated. And we all know we all know. OK, and then a news story comes out saying Donald Trump wins the Nobel, you know, is nominated for a peace prize.

And we say, I heard it already. Trump tweeted it. I don't need this article. So the article that does get clicked is here's why Trump should win a peace prize. That's a good point. And then people want to hear the argument. But back in the day, what happened was these news brands, you had straight news and you had bombastic news.

And because people weren't clicking straight news, bombastic news was gaining way more traffic. Then the venture capital came in and they said, hey, you're getting a million views. These guys are only getting 100,000. Here's a million dollars to keep going. And then they took a million dollars, hired more people just like them, and they created an empire out of bombastic, hyper-partisan content. But here's the best part. These companies started doing A-B testing, figuring out which articles work and which articles didn't. And so what happens is keywords in the algorithm.

If you have on Facebook, an article that says police brutality, it'll get X views. If you have racism, you'll get Y views. But racist police brutality combines them for X plus Y views or maybe even X times Y, depending. So you got, so the more you stuff into the article the more reach you get and that that created so in my opinion this resulted in the rise of the psychotic fringe mainstream left because they keep running in circles like chasing each other with more and more extreme narratives and the the the moderates and the right like even old school liberals aren't there aren't in this game.

They're doing more research on their own, and they're not trusting the mainstream media. The left blindly trusts these brands without question. I can speak 100% first person. I was in that at Mines. Bill and I were writing articles, and we were writing spectacular headlines. We were trying to get clicks, and we were part of a group of news organizations that were coming up 2010 on Facebook that a lot of people you know. And we were just putting it out there. And we would notice violence would get a lot of clicks. So there would be this temptation to write these articles about violence.

And the day the Boston bombing happened, I realized I'm not going to go that route. Good for you. When I write articles about it, we get tons of traffic, but it perpetuates the violence. So I stopped. I don't know. Do you think it perpetuates the violence? Yeah, definitely. I saw it firsthand.

I think you might be conflating a bit more. So telling people a violent terror act happened could result in a backlash where people call for law and order to stop violence. But the people that are overreaction, the people that are making money off of that happening subconsciously wanted to keep happening. But that's not going to that's not going to make violence. So here's what happens. It makes people write articles about the police.

So it depends on which way you go. If you write an article about the Boston bombing, it's going to result in security. It's going to result in people having an overreaction to terrorism, and they're going to demand the state secure them and keep them safe. If you write about police brutality, meaning the threat comes from the state, you're going to get waves of people demanding the dismantling of the state. And that's what's happening now. So because you have conservatives and even to a certain degree moderates who hold all moral foundations, loyalty, purity, authority being the three, according to Jonathan Heights research that the left doesn't have. They're the ones saying, well, wait a minute. I'm not just going to throw

the police department out. You know, I have loyalty. I respect to a certain degree authority, although conservatives also do have a large libertarian liberty spectrum, a moral foundation as well. So here's what happens. You get the liberals, according to Jonathan Haidt's research, have care and fairness as their moral foundations. And the right has all six, which is care, fairness, authority, purity, loyalty and liberty. That means if you come to me and say all cops are bad, you're going to trigger loyalty, respect for authority. And right then it's going to it's going to make it so the conservatives go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All of them.

I'm loyal to the people who have served my community and helped me to the military, things like that. The left doesn't have those. Therefore, when they see police brutality, they go, oh, rebel, rebel, rebel. And they say, burn it all down, destroy it. And that's literally what's happening. So what I think we see is you have conservatives who have a strong basis in all moral foundations. And again, this is not – it's Jonathan Haidt's research. It's the – he's got a book. It's called – what was it called?

The Coddling of the American Mind. Yeah, definitely got to read this stuff. And if I'm getting it wrong, then Jonathan can absolutely correct me and you guys can come at me. My general understanding is, or at least I should say my interpretation would be, if we see a story as – so I have a decent balance. I'm like left liberal in the moral foundations, even leaning a bit conservative because of like authority and purity. And I have a big liberty foundation because you can actually take the test where they map you out. Oh, fascinating. Yeah. So if you come to me with this extremist article that says something like the Boston bombing, terror around every corner, my liberty foundation is going to start flaring red alert, red alert, red alert. And I'm going to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I respect liberty. I have a strong liberty moral foundation. So I'm not going to give up my freedoms just because we saw this, you know, this this this

article. My authority will also be like, yeah, but yeah, but so you end up with this like moderate approach. OK, OK. So we need some security. We got to respect that we need police and we need some way to stop these terrorists. But we got to make sure we don't cross the line and we respect civil liberties, even for people who want to protest.

The left doesn't have authority or a large liberty. It's mostly just care and fairness. So when they see a video of police brutality, they go, burn the system down. The police are crooked. And there's nothing to stop them. They have no respect. They have no loyalty. They have no purity.

They have very little liberty. Libertarian is my favorite. It's all liberty. They have very little of anything. my favorite it's all liberty they have like very little of anything but liberty is straight to the roof so it's like some of these there's there's like the question the test for the moral foundations has some really gross stuff that i'm not even gonna say and libertarians are like don't care you can do what you want so long as you're not hurting somebody else and it's consensual right right you see where i'm going like yeah

when i was writing... To be fair, too, I mean, obviously I haven't taken a look at that test. I know that I'm not as libertarian as I used to be, but a lot of libertarians probably would say, like, I disapprove of this thing, but I don't want the government to be involved. But I guess I'm not sure to the extent to which you're speaking.

And you didn't want to say them. I assume it's stuff that would get us demonetized? I'll tell you. One of them was creating an adult lovemaking doll based on your niece. Oh, that's disgusting. Yeah, you should go to jail. You should be shot if you do that. So the issue is conservatives...

There are people who actually said yes to that. Absolutely. Conservatives have a purity foundation where they see that and they go, like the reaction you just had. People who are just libertarian don't have strong foundations. And I'm not trying to drag other libertarians because you can be libertarian and still have strong foundations. It's a generality that libertarians basically say,

hey, man, if you want to do your thing in private in your own home, then why am I going to stop you from doing it as long as you're not hurting anybody else? OK, so I think when I was writing these articles and other people writing these articles about the boston bombing and other violent things that would happen i think it was inciting the left and i didn't know what the left was at the time why why why because when i would write an article about a terror act it would spark fear in the comments thousands of people would freak out and then i'd see other articles start to be written about the same thing and people would be afraid in those comments and then my boss would want more of that because it was catching and then i would try and write about solar panels and it would get a thousandth of the views but people

would be talking about how awesome this new technology was and i had a choice because i don't have so much time in my life of what to propagate and the media is doing that now with this it's twitter so it started with facebook created or i should say it facebook created a a magnifying like lens or like a canon to propel critical race theory because it fit the algorithm so perfectly to say like the intersection of all these different ridiculous ideas now it's twitter twitter has gamified hate and rage that's very true so so that's why you know i was thinking about this earlier i talked about it i wonder if jank uger of the young turks has always been such a really mean person no no i don't think so why is he so mean now i don't know him as a person so he's frustrated yeah so i i remember the last time i saw the uh

so a couple uh a couple several years ago i saw him at uh vidcon and he walked up to me and he shook my hand said how's things been going i'm like it's pretty good and he was like right on right on i'm like how are you he's like yeah it's going pretty good we talked for a little bit and he's like hey man i'll see you around take care the next time i saw him he snapped started screaming at me he's just like a like a like and and now him and the young turks are mocking my appearance like like insulting my looks. It's the weirdest thing. I don't understand why they've become so personally and directly nasty. So do you think... I'm not even trying to insult them at all.

I wish them the best. I don't get it. Do you think they've changed or that you're just viewed as a boogeyman by the left now? And so they're jumping on board with that. They changed. So they were less angry towards their opponents at this time? Not necessarily, but Twitter has given them a vehicle to just be angry all the time. Well, that's the funny thing about Twitter, right?

Like on a good day on Twitter or a day on Twitter where you're successful, it's usually because you have said something that's really upset somebody else. And on a bad day, it's something has been said that upsets you. So it's kind of a play stupid games, win stupid prizes type thing. But you know, a lot of the tweets that I'll put up like my reaction to crazy news like there's a story and it said something like um pennsylvania is is saying that if the signature doesn't match in a mail-in vote the vote can't be disqualified so i quote tweet that and put lol yeah i didn't say oh the end oh they're evil i just put lol because my view on things is very much like i remember this you ever see galaxy quest

no oh is that is that the uh the the star trek parody with tim allen yeah i've never seen it you had familiar so i'm reminded of the scene where tony shalhoub he's in engineering and the aliens are all around him and they're like in an emergency and like they're about to die and they ask him and he's just laughing he's like it's going good i guess and he's just having a good time and i'm like that's the kind of attitude I think would benefit people. Like, look, man, if you can't control anything, don't scream and freak out. Enjoy life.

Find the best of it. Have a laugh. I'm watching all of this craziness happen around me. I'm not going to get angry about it. You know, sometimes. Compared to Chang, like you and him are in similar but very different situations because he has a huge company now i don't know the size of how many employees they have and i heard that they were losing money at one point he like i guess he threatened to uh like he i guess he did fire somebody who wanted to form a union or something like that yeah yeah

they he wouldn't didn't want his people to unionize so so that's a different that must be extremely stressful just from a personal perspective on chank um an Anna doesn't seem to be going through that stress. Yeah, I mean, I can't speak to anything particularly about the Young Turks, but you just said something really interesting sort of about stress levels and how you react to a high-stakes situation. And I find that in our culture, we have yet to find this happy medium, or at least most people have, where you have legitimate moral concerns and you're trying to make the world a better place,

but you're not so caught up in whether you as an individual will be perfectly successful at that. It seems as if people are just completely nihilistic and everything's funny and they don't care about anything and they're just going to do whatever they want to have a good time. And why get caught up in any of the morality of it? Because it's just going to stress me out. And then there are other people who do have legitimate moral concerns, but then they go over the top thinking that they're the person who needs to solve every single problem and they lose their minds when they're not successful. And I find that the best way to go about it. And this is something I struggle with as well, because I don't know

that I've got that perfect balance yet, but it's to follow your moral code to do as best as you possibly can, but to recognize that God has a plan. And if you're not successful, things will be as they should. I think I, I think I know where my bias in this regard comes from. Like, why am I talking about the young Turks and not, say, like, Turning Point or like some other conservative group? Well, I don't think they actually do it all. They're all that bad. Like, Candace Owens has certainly had negative words for, like, say, I think Cardi B. I remember that.

That was a whole huge thing. It was a huge thing, and they were both throwing shit at each other. But I started thinking about it just now. Twitter has banned all of the right that's been, you know, bombastic and trolly and nasty. So very true. And not even not even people who are nasty. I'm saying like trolly as well, like hashtag learn to code. The left, the left literally incites violence and organizes violent riots on Twitter. And they just do it with impunity. No one's going to stop them. So what ends up happening is there is there is little incentive

on the right for people to become that rage monster because you will be banned like that and so conservatives are very wary of this right-wing individuals are like i'm not gonna you know i don't want to get banned i say the wrong thing and then they people get banned all the time yeah the left with impunity are incentivized to be rageful and hateful and mean. And I'm just sitting here like, you'd be much more successful, appealing, and you'd convince more people if you were nice about it. Yeah, that's for sure. But they don't want to. Or you could just make fun of them in cartoons.

Or you could just own the libs in cartoons. I think that helps. I think, you know, that's one strategy that works really well. Cartoons are actually awesome. I appreciate that. But when you get powerful, the nicer you are, that's the more successful you'll be, the more people will like you. Yeah, and to be fair, no, I do try to keep it lighthearted. I think I make it obvious that I'm like just joking around and playing around.

But I hear what you're saying. And one thing I've noticed along with this is it seems as if we're playing basically what you said by two different sets of rules. And when you're in public life, the further to the right you get, the higher your difficulty setting becomes. So you see this right wing figures tend to have to be much more careful about what they say, because each little thing can be taken out of context and their life can be destroyed. Except for Donald Trump. Oh, because what's going on? He has the cheat code. Donald Trump code is don't care. Donald Trump's a 99 overall, and he represents the right. So all these people on the left that are like 12 overall, 13 overall, they're letting them be angry. Like say it's a game of weight.

Donald Trump exudes 1,000 points of weight. All these other people like, I don't want to drag Chang, he's awesome. But like people like anyone on the left that gets angry on Twitter and posts like F this, this horrible. They have weight of like 12 or 13. So Twitter's letting them add their weight up collectively so that they can equal out to Donald Trump. That's ridiculous. I know it is ridiculous, but that's I think what is what's happening. I think they're just biased and they're and they're all laughing there together.

And the Twitter employees are like, hey, Orange Man is bad. I like that tweet. How dare you tell me to learn to code? You're banned forever. Yeah, exactly. By the way, Lydia. How dare you tell me to learn to code? You're banned forever. Yeah, exactly. By the way, Lydia, I think you're about to say something. Ian made a point earlier about how being nice will get you further in life. And this is something that I hold on to.

I actually don't know if it's true because I don't know how far I've gotten in life. I love my life. But I do think that the old adage that people don't know, people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care is 100% true. And I think there is also some truth. It was interesting what you said, Seamus, about Donald Trump having this cheat code, which is don't care. And I was like, that's kind of interesting because I think the right care is way too much about being called racist. And I appreciate that they care about their reputation. That's very meaningful to them. But at the same time, it's like maybe you care a little too much. Maybe you would benefit from having a little don't care in your life.

I don't know. Exactly. Well, I find that the right wing actually tends to worship at the altar of human respect. It's all about ensuring everybody knows that I'm a good person. It's the moral foundation. And the things the left says about me aren't true. It's the moral foundations. I think that could be part of it.

But at the same time, maybe it's just a quirk of the fact that we live in this system where the left doesn't seem to pay a price for being far left, but they don't care what you think of their political views. And we seem to, and that has to stop if we're ever going to win. What happens when you're loyal to someone who is not loyal to you? You get burned. And that's exactly what we have. Conservatives with a loyalty moral foundation, loyal to the citizens of this country, and a left that is not loyal in return. They just believe in this nebulous concept of fairness and whatever that means. But they don't care about you or what you've done for them. And that's why they

don't care for the police. They have no loyalty to the system as it stands that's helped them succeed. They view America as's inherently evil and i'm not saying literally every single one of them but the dominant very vocal ones view america's inherently evil they do they say it's colonization and it's white supremacy and they accuse the founding fathers of these atrocities and they ignore all of the really great things that have been done yeah so so i want to we're going to jump to this next story and i hate to do this because it's just it's kind of if you hate to do it you don't have to we won't make you i think we do and uh so so we have the story from digital music news

they say spotify employees threaten to strike if joe rogan podcasts aren't edited or removed what so there's been an ongoing thing with uh the rogan podcast which to Joe is probably more of a mosquito on his arm that he swats away and ignores, but has been relevant to those who are active in cultural politics and the digital space. So particularly, you know, a space that like I'm in, I hate, I hate to constantly be bringing up Joe because they're the ones bringing him up. I love bringing up Joe, man. It's, it's, it's a little tabloidy because the, the first thing i want to say is you know bring on the criticism i get it

you know talking about joe all the time he is the biggest podcast in the world with like the biggest podcast deal ever he's the og and now when the culture war comes for him to to you know repeatedly in these stories i think it is particularly relevant because it's going to trickle down on everybody else what is going on with these podcasts and what we need to pay attention to so as much as i i want to be like we get it spotify employees repeatedly are pushing these stories try and come after joe this one to me was like another example of uh the danger of the minority threatening to destroy things that are extremely popular and potentially even having an impact. So I don't know if,

to what extent you've heard this. I think you know about this, that a bunch of episodes didn't make it. Oh, onto Spotify. Yeah. Whose episodes did they refuse to put up there? Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Smiley Yiannopoulos, Carl Benjamin.

And Joe, I think, made a statement that it was a clerical error. Oh, that's insane also I mean I don't know I guess I'll just give Joe the benefit of the doubt but on top of that to Carl Benjamin

Sargon is so much less controversial than any of the other names you threw out there and I'm not saying those podcasts should have been banned either but it's just it's funny Carl Carl has his

moments that's fair when I was when I was on Rogan's show the Twitter people and they were talking about why they banned him instead of reading some of the things he said. Oh. Carl actually messaged me, and he was laughing. And he was like, you're probably saying, like, oh, Carl, what have you done?

Yeah. No, okay, fair enough. I'm not familiar with his Twitter. But it's crazy to me that they would refuse to allow him to upload streams he did with any of those people. But especially, I don't know, I always just saw Sargon to be a lot less controversial but maybe i don't follow him closely enough did spotify nuke those episodes or did was there a clerical error i thought i read that joe said that it was an error that they didn't get uploaded properly so why would why would that pattern seem to know it seems like a pattern why would alec would the Alex Jones episode, one of the biggest episodes, have like 15 million views in a day?

You know, I don't think Joe's a liar. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean... And I can't confirm the statement. I just thought I heard it. But hold on. It could be legit. It could be that those are the ones

YouTube corrupted. That's possible. To get more conspiratorial. Maybe, yeah. I have no idea. I'm interested in what his contract was with spot i would have imagined when he signed with them he was like i have total freedom you're not going to touch any of my stuff and everything's going up yeah you in okay let's go and i can't imagine

he would do anything but that i don't know joe rogan as a person i've never spoken to him but based on who he is on the podcast it would shock me if there wasn't something in the contract to ensure that he had full creative freedom. There's tricks. There's a lot of tricks. Let me read this. So we'll see what it's all about, and then we'll talk about it. So Digital Music News reports a contingent of activist Spotify staffers are now considering a walkout or full-blown strike if their demands for direct editorial oversight of the Joe Rogan Experience podcasts aren't met.

Last week, we first reported that Spotify employees were demanding direct editorial oversight over the recently acquired Joe Rogan Experience podcast. That would include the ability to directly edit or remove sections of upcoming interviews or block the uploading of episodes deemed problematic. The employees also demanded the ability to add trigger warnings, corrections, and references to fact-check articles on topics discussed by Rogan in the course of his multi-hour discussions. Some of the group's demands have already been met by Spotify management, though a refusal to allow further changes is stirring talk of a high-profile walkout or strike, according to preliminary plans shared with Digital Music News. The strike would principally involve New York-based Spotify employees and would be accompanied by protests outside Spotify's Manhattan headquarters.

Other aspects would involve media appearances and coordination with other activist organizations. For Spotify, the decision to offer some concessions may have only emboldened demands for wide-scale editorial oversight. During the transition of Rogan's podcast episodes onto the Spotify platform, multiple past episodes were omitted. Those included interviews with Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, and Alex Jones. Additionally, Rogan issued a rare public apology and correction over his claim that left wing anarchists had set fires in Oregon, a point that was made during a recent interview with Douglas Murray. The apology is now believed to be the result of pressure from Spotify staffers. But those measures apparently don't go far enough. Rogan's claim during the Murray podcast is still part of the podcast recording, a thing appears saying false information. that episode on Facebook right now is flagged as fake news.

Wow. All right. If you link the YouTube video, a thing appears saying false information. And it's a whole podcast. So from that one thing Joe said. I wouldn't mind if he put a little cut in there and added like, hey, guys, by the way, what I'm about to say is really ignorant. Here it is.

This is the reason it's ignorant. That's insane. Even that. Even that. How many wrong things have we said in this podcast how many wrong things have we said right every time i open my mouth every time i open my mouth so high profile that we would have to go back and look at it when i'm not yeah like if i can even get a sentence out it's usually incorrect so but you don't have me listen listen no in all seriousness i i hear what you're

saying what you said though i think that would be fine fine for Joe to do if he wanted to do that. If he wants to. Because I've done that, too, right? Like, I've uploaded videos and then noticed that there was a little error with it and then taken it down, redone it, or just cut that part out and then re-uploaded it. Because sometimes I feel that there's a responsibility to do that. You might be able to edit it while it's online without having to take it down. You can do that.

YouTube can do that. You can do that on YouTube now? Yes. How long have you been able to do that for? Long time. Because I'm an an idiot i totally pulled something down and sliced it out and i probably could i tried to look for that feature though and i didn't find it it's called it's called split you go in and you go split and you go and you can you can trim the edges and you can pull things out it takes a really long time to do like it could take like

two days for it to finally process interesting you're doing it through the cloud and whatever i remember attempting to do it but there were some weird issues. It was like the cut had to be much longer than the one that I wanted to make. But that's neither here nor there. I got to read this because it's funny. Digital Music News says, if a walkout or strike moves forward,

it could be risky for the staffers involved. Other corporations have certainly witnessed walkouts and even full-blown strikes by activist employees for a range of grievances. Those protests have often been met with changes. Though the employment landscape has changed dramatically in 2020, Spotify employees reportedly enjoy comfortable salaries in the $120,000 to $130,000 annual range with considerable perks and benefits.

These are plum jobs in extremely uncertain economic times, making a strike a risky move. It also appears that Spotify management, including CEO Daniel Ek, has a limited tolerance for the mutiny on deck. Accordingly, Digital Music News has learned that Spotify clearly shared its decision on the Schreier episode and has declined continued demands to edit or remove other episodes. So that's Abigail Schreier. She wrote a book about transgender youth.

And I think something that's called, I believe it's called Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria. Correct? Yeah. She wrote this book called Irreparable Damage, How the Transgender Thing is Ruining Our Daughters' Lives. And Joe was one of the few people who actually was willing – like, I mean, I'm surprised he even did the interview, to be honest. It was a good interview. Good for him. And it goes against the mainstream orthodoxy, and that's why they're freaking out.

They say the reason X pushback is somewhat obvious, Joe Rogan's entire identity revolves around unfiltered discussion and opinion. And audiences could abandon the podcast if it becomes censored or controlled. Earlier this year, Spotify lured Rogan into an exclusive relationship with an estimated $100 million deal. So if you're an employee who makes $100K, and you go and say, I'm going to strike unless we get to make these changes, what do you think that guy's going to say? Hmm, should I lose one employee or a $100 million contract? Exactly. Buddy, the door is right behind you.

That's exactly what I was thinking. But hold on, hold on. Here's where it gets fun. What if the employees now claim being in a work environment where they hear sexist, racist, and transphobic content is a violation of their civil rights under the Civil Rights Act? They say it's discrimination for me to have to work on content that says these things. That's been the big advantage. That's been the big manipulation the left has used, arguing that their political cause is actually protected.

So what the New York Times did is they started tweeting out all of when it was it was it was Tom Cotton, right? Tom Cotton, the send in the troops article. Yeah. Tom Cotton wrote an article, an op ed, send in the troops, called for the Insurrection Act to shut down the riots. So New York Times employees started tweeting the New York Times is endangering black bodies or something to that effect. Where did that phrase come from? They start saying black bodies insteadering black bodies or something to that effect. Where did that phrase come from? They start saying black bodies instead of black people. I've heard this. I think I think it's a reference to that. They are white supremacists who don't view them as human beings, just like animate corpses walking around a black body. Why are

you saying it, though? You know what I mean? Like, why are you saying? I know. I know. No, no, no, no, no. I know. I know what you're saying. I'm saying, like, why? Because I've seen left wing people use this phrase. Like, if they think that that represents white supremacists not seeing black people as humans, like, then why are they using this term? No, no, no, no, no. I was being facetious.

I know you were. I know you were. They don't actually believe saying black body is a reference to white supremacy. No, I've seen this. Oh, oh, why do they say it then? I don't have no idea.

It's a social justice thing. I was dragging them. Okay, okay. I thought that you were using the phrase of racism. I was calling them racist. That's my bad. That's my racist that's my bad that's my bad but listen i don't want to tell you what a black body is for real it's a scientific thing that absorbs all light oh sure sure sure i don't want to derail off of what's going on with the new york times they used the idea that the new york times was discriminating against black people as a way to force the company to take down the op-ed

and ultimately the editor resigned they are using civil rights law and they are claiming, well, if there is content that I have to listen to because I work at this company, that is discriminatory against me and my beliefs and who I am. And now the Supreme Court has ruled that you can't discriminate against someone on the basis of their gender identity. That was the Supreme Court ruling. You remember that was a month or so ago. Yeah, we were actually discussing that,

and you made a really good point about the fact that we don't actually have to change legislation as long as the language changes. So when they change definitions. Yeah, exactly. Well, so the Supreme Court ruled that if you can't discriminate on the basis of sex, gender identity and orientation are rooted in your biological sex.

Therefore, they are protected as well. So now here's what might happen. Or I don't want to say might. The Spotify employees, just like the New York Times employees, they're doing the same thing. So maybe we'll see. I would say if you're looking for a job,

apply at Spotify right now. Yeah, that's funny. I mean, I hear what you're saying. It drives me crazy though, because this is something that happens in the creative world so often. And I have not worked anywhere near the mainstream creative world, but I have a number of friends who have. And whenever you work on a property that's been acquired, there's always this tension between the

people who have acquired the property and the people who originally created it. Because no one can ever buy something and then just let the creator do it the way that they were originally doing it. No one can ever see that something is successful and say, this guy knows what he's doing. I'm going to let him run the show because he was doing it fine No one can ever see that something is successful and say, this guy knows what he's doing. I'm going to let him run the show because he was doing it fine before I came along. It would be smart for me to just let him continue and take a little piece of this so I can enrich myself.

No, never. They have to change it. It's so prideful and ridiculous. And they screw themselves because they end up making less money in the long run when they ruin it. Yes, a lot of times. But it's about fitting that into so they have they

have a jigsaw puzzle and they take this piece and they start carving it to fit the mold and they remove the good i've done that before when i was a stupid kid forcing jigsaw yeah like i cut it into the right place because i couldn't find the right piece so some of the things i've asked you know in relation to what's going on the rogan podcast is, the first thing I'll point out is the inherent political danger of Joe Rogan's apology, in that Media Matters for America attacks Joe saying he's putting out dangerous misinformation because Joe insinuated leftists were starting fires. Joe says something, the left is doing X. The left responds by saying you're a liar. Joe responds by saying, sorry, that wasn't true. But part of it was true. So now Joe's put out misinformation. And when other people point

that out, there's no apology. You see what I mean? There's no correcting the record. So what happens is it's once again falling back on playing the left's game when they're not playing by the same rules. They will demand an apology from you. You'll get it. They will never apologize for what they're doing. When the right says the left should apologize for this. Remember when we had the dude, he posted a picture of the guy throwing the Covington kids in a wood chipper? Oh, yeah. Who was that? That whole thing. That whole thing. They refuse. The media companies refuse to apologize they settle you know some undisclosed number they won't give you anything at all so why is anyone giving them anything in return yeah why i don't i don't understand why it is that joe would apologize for this but then not apologize

for anything else he's ever said that's been incorrect so this comes back to playing their game we are choosing to play by their rules and i really hope that joe does not decide to go through with this and and kowtow or anything like that i hope that he sticks to his guns and stays strong because he is just he's a very nice guy he's very common sense he doesn't really mean he does not mean anyone any harm i know for sure have you can watch hours but he's he's done it what do you mean he did apologize already oh and the apology was incorrect i know i feel like i'm hours of what he thinks. But he's done it. What do you mean? He did apologize already. Oh, yeah. And the apology was incorrect.

I know. I feel like I'm kind of beating a dead horse. I've talked about it so many times. But it's just in the context of they're continually putting pressure on him to try and get him to make concessions. Yes. But I think that is a separate issue because the whole idea of editing or removing his podcast is just completely insane. And I hope that he doesn't count out to that. I hope that he puts that down.

It's not about what he wants. Me too. It doesn't matter what he says. This is what people don't understand. They're saying, I think it was James Lindsay who tweeted, if they think they're going to get away with this, they don't know who Joe Rogan is. And it's like, perhaps if you trust that he did a good job with his legal contract, his contract in terms of the licensing deal with Spotify, for sure. But if it's just a licensing deal, then is Spotify under any obligation to actually post any of those podcasts? I don't know, man.

I would have to see the contract. It's pretty – I don't – I would be surprised based on the contracts I've dealt with if there was a provision saying if I make the content, you must publish it. No, every licensing deal – They just bought them and silenced them? That's called golden handcuffs. Horrific. with if there was a provision saying if i make the content you must publish it no every license every licensing deal and silenced him that's called golden handcuffs horrific it's called golden handcuffs they do it all the time that's why i'm like i wouldn't be surprised if joe actually knew and and didn't fall into these traps but every licensing deal i've seen it does not have an obligation for licensing they say we're going to license your content here's how much we'll pay

you say okay that's freaky that's normal and so i'd imagine with an exclusive contract it to me i i you know look he's the biggest podcast in the world i'm sure they went through all these contracts with a fine-tooth comb and like they're probably some of the craziest contracts in the world but the deals that i've negotiated where i've demanded guarantees have just collapsed when i say no no i want to guarantee that you're actually going to be working on this. And they say, well, we can't guarantee that because have a nice day. No, I hear you. I'm not going to give away my content and then have it just disappear into a dark corner in exchange for money.

I don't care. I like the content more than I care about the money. Yeah, good for you. You should. You give me a cell phone and I'll sit in the middle of the woods and just blabble on for a million years. I can live in a hut or go down by the river and just go fishing and mind my own business. But there are a lot of people fall into these traps. I've had a bunch of contracts offered to me over the past couple of years that have been laughable. There's like a really big podcasting network that sent me a contract that basically said, in very sneaky terms,

I would give them 100% ownership of all of my platform and content and everything. And then they make you feel like they're doing – that you're wrong for questioning. Exactly. That they're doing you a favor too. And when I responded with – I read it. I said, please send me the real contract. And they said, this is the normal boilerplate, blah, blah, blah. And I said, if you – I said, no, this contract signs over the ownership of my business, which I will not do.

If you like to talk about a purchase, it's different from a licensing agreement. And they said, it's normal. This is what lawyers are for. And my response was essentially a few words longer than F you. If you think I'm going to drop thousands of dollars on a lawyer because you're trying to rip me off, you can go have a nice day. I don't care. Like I said, I'll go down in the woods and film myself on an iPhone and be like, I don't need this. I don't need you. I'm not going to deal with this. But these pitfalls exist and they're all over the place. And I have seen some really, really clever ones. They could do things in a contract where they say something like this following provision only applies to a C grade manager of a company and

will not pertain specifically to high ranking officials X, Y, and Z, and then say content produced by these people will be property of this company. Then you go seven pages down and it'll say for all intents and purposes, a C-level manager could include this, that, and this. C section 7B. You go seven pages away and then guess what? You are a C-level manager. You see how they do it? They can say, don't worry, we're not taking your stuff. It just says we're taking C-level manager stuff, like employees, because they work for us, right? Then 10 pages later, you find out that means you. Those are the tricks they do. Yeah, I mean, it's so evil, but it's hilarious

because the entire purpose of a contract is so you can have some clear agreement on paper that both parties have consented to. But obviously, once lawyers get involved, everyone's just trying to screw the other person over. Not all the time, but they make it much easier for you to do that if you have all the tricky legal language at your disposal. I won't't sign anything i don't blame you

i always say give me one sheet of paper that explains what it is yes exactly that's what it has to be one sheet and they're like there's no i'm like i don't care yeah like i i've done uh like sponsorship things where it's like they give me this like 10 page thing and i was like you want me to shout you out and you want me to sign that and they're like don't worry it's no no it doesn't have a nice day bye-. I'm not doing it. What do they say? Do they insist that you sign it and go away? Or do they go like, oh, well, if you're not going to sign it, we'll just do the sponsorship

anyway, or we'll give you something simpler. Well, I'll tell you what. A lot of the times I'm a bit too short with a lot of people. You make it clear that there's no relationship there. I straight up say, if you come to me and try to screw me, I will kick you out the door without a moment's notice. There's no second chance. You bring me a contract and you give me bunk BS, I'm going to look at it and I'm going

to say, get out of my building now and never come back. You're out. And I'll tell you this. I often advise people there's no such thing as no in business, only terms. So if someone comes to you and they give you bad terms, you don't say no. You say improve the terms. At a certain point, however, I'm sick and tired of them constantly flinging garbage at me, assuming I'm too stupid to realize how to run a business. These people think they can get away with it.

Look at what Kanye West was tweeting about. I don't know if you saw this stuff where he talks about the labels ripping people off. That's what it is, especially with young people. They probably assume like, you know, a lot of these contracts in the past few years. I'm like in my late 20s. I'm in my early 30s. And they're like, we're going to take everything you own. I'm like, you think I'm a moron, don't you?

You think you can come up to someone who's like, you know, late 20s, early 30s, and they're not smart enough. They haven't had enough experience. You waste my time and you waste my money. I will not do business with you. People do make those deals, though. That's the sad thing. That's why they keep trying. They know that they have success in that. Exactly.

The reason why you just say no and stop negotiating is because you don't have time. Like once you get to a certain level, you get to negotiations extensive. So the way I have to explain it to people is I'll ask you this because I don't think I've ever asked you this before. If your phone rang right now while we're sitting here and it was McDonald's and you were like, is this and they said seamus we want you to be a cashier at the mcdonald's location in washington you know central dc you know yes no conditions what do you care yes do it yeah but what's what would you really say if like you've got a call right now from mcdonald's and said you want why don't you be a cashier

i'd say god bless you um but i have other things that I'm invested in right now that I find more rewarding than that position would probably be for me at this point in time. So for so to be fair, for you, that's probably you have your own business, you've got a successful channel. The what I tell people when they're trying to get started in life, and they're trying to find jobs, the correct answer is most people say no. Like most people I know of college degrees, they're like, I would not know, I'd say no, of course, that's the wrong answer. The correct answer is how much say no like most people i know of college degrees they're like i would not know i'd say no of course that's the wrong answer like you know the correct answer is how much money exactly yeah that's what i figured and so then then then they always respond with oh but they're not gonna pay me so who cares then you don't take a job you didn't want in the first place yeah so

if they if they call you and say we want you to be a cashier you say i want 50 bucks an hour and when they say we do not pay that much well thank, thank you for your time. You have a nice day. End of story. I mean, because if McDonald's is calling me, right, I've got all the power here. They reached out to me, so I could ask for more money. I figured I could negotiate for a little more. It's like, I love what I'm doing. You must really

want me to be a cashier. You know it. We just need that smile. Spotify bought Joe Rogan to put gold handcuffs on him. McDonald's wants to put gold handcuffs on me by making me. You got to read the contract. I don't think they bought and put golden handcuffs. No, I'm being facetious.

I have no idea what that situation is. I love Joe, man. And yeah, he's awesome. So important, I think. So it's worrying then when you see stories like this. And here's why I'm like, i was begrudgingly saying like i don't really want to talk about it because it feels very tabloidy yeah yeah talking about people does kind of for sure especially like because i've talked about him now i think four times in

reference to a lot of the same things but the issue is that he's at the top of the pyramid when it comes to podcasting right and what happens to his his show is going to infect politics culture and the podcasting world so you know the people listening the work we do there's actually like precedent for them to be like this is upsetting my rights because i have to see offensive stuff that's gross vice vice had something called a non-traditional workplace agreement that you had to sign when you got hired there this was an agreement that said you recognize that you know i had to sign when you got hired there. This was an agreement that said, you recognize that, you know, I had to sign it. In this workplace, you will encounter content like this,

like that, whatever, and you acknowledge you will not take issue. As a media company, we do these things. And Vice was basically forced to remove that because leftist activists started claiming it was used to allow the men at the company to sexually assault women, which is ridiculous. So when all of these stories of like assault started coming out from the higher ranking

vice people, then all of a sudden we started hearing these stories. Did you know they have a non-traditional workplace agreement that says these things? And it got leaked online and everybody read it. Vice had people sign that to prevent them from saying, I walked into the workplace and saw, you know, a porn video playing. Yeah. It's like, like well you work for a magazine and this is a part of the job you're like these are the kind of content you

engage with sometimes you're going to hear like when vice goes to uh the middle east and you hear someone yelling like racial and ethnic slurs about their rival tribe or country people would get triggered or angry by it or what about when Vice went interview Klansmen and they started saying a whole bunch of racist things? So people are going to say the fact that they make me have to edit this when it was derogatory about me, I believe is a violation of my rights of discrimination. Wow. So, so that, so I don't know exactly what would happen in that capacity, but that is why you end up with non-traditional workplace agreements yeah we had something similar at mines i mean i think i had to actually write that in to the my own job because i would witness i was like an admin at mines and i would see like the boost console coming through

and it was just terrifying some visceral like the christ church shooting i saw so many that's 20 times of like in the doom it was like with the video game overlay, like a first person shooter gunning women in the head. And that's just horrible. You know, it changed me and I had to deal. But I just quit the job. I'm not going to like. Well, that's that's traumatic. It was shocking.

Yeah, that's traumatic. That's not hearing a discussion about whether or not children should be given hormones. I couldn't tell the platform to not host it. It's not. The platform is a platform. It's not – the platform is a platform. It's not a publisher. Is Spotify a publisher or a platform? They're a publisher.

Well, that's different. Yeah. You have to get permission to post. So, look, I'm not saying I know for sure that will happen, but I throw it back to things like the non-traditional workplace agreement advice and how the New York Times employees accused New York Times of being racist for allowing an article about riots that are predominantly white. What? Wait, this happened? Yes, yes. So white people are rioting.

So Tom Cotton says, send in the military and stop the riots. So the New York Times employee says, that's racist. And the New York Times is endangering black bodies or something like that. Oh, my goodness. That's what they're claiming. And then it worked. The editor from the opinion page had to resign. They actually pulled the article and the guy resigned.

I don't know if they pulled it, but they put a whole bunch of like apologies and explanations. And we're trying to desperately be like, oh, please don't cancel your subscription. Yeah. Spineless. You know what I would do? If I had accompanied the New York Times and I was losing subscribers, my bottom line was faltering. I'd sit back, put my feet up, light a cigar and be like, we're going down with the ship, boys. It's going to be a fun ride. Oh my goodness. Just publish anything you want at the New York Times.

I'd be like, they already do. Ladies and gentlemen, crack the cigar. I'd be like, the ship is going down. I'm going down with it. I have golden parachutes prepared, severance packages for all of you if you'd like to go, or you can hang out and we can watch and see what happens. And then the guys who don't have golden parachutes just severance packages for all of you if you'd like to go or you can hang out and we can watch and see what happens and then the guys who don't have golden parachutes just stand there and play the violin as the ship yep play the violin i would i would i would rather watch the ship sink than get taken over by cultists i'm the kind of guy if i'm on if i'm on my ship i got my you know my what like 17th century frigate or galleon or whatever and i'm transporting my important cargo and pirates come,

I'm going to be like, scuttle the ship and burn it to the ground before I give it to these people. You want to steal my ship? You want to board, kill my people and take over? Nope. We're burning it to the ground before we let you have it. The New York Times doesn't do that, though. Yeah, I guess the question is, how much is the New York Times being, I mean, obviously, there's some coercion there because they published the article of their own free will and then took it down. But they're, they're, I mean, they've always been to the left. It's not as if these are right wingers coming in and forcing them to say things that would contradict their previously held biases. That's, that's the issue. They, that's like the joke I was making where in like 2030, you see the New York Times covered in

vines and you go in and there's journalists like all like haggard, like zombies because their desperation to latch on to being left. They can never give it up. That's fair. So I was talking to a friend of mine and I was explaining the left has gone insane. And I said, have you ever stopped to consider how weird it is that Barack Obama was called deporter in chief and his vice president right alongside with him created the cages in home and in what homestead of Florida? And then four years later, all of a sudden, he's for decriminalizing border crossings and moratorium on deportations. How in four years

did he jump so far on that issue? The left has been radicalized and moderates and conservatives are in a very similar space they've been for the past 20, 30 years. Yeah. I mean, I think the right wing has changed to some extent, but the worst thing you could commit yourself to is being left wing because that's always going to change. I think unfortunately, presently, the right wing has more or less become this very loose association with people who have vaguely similar views about the economy. And then socially, the views are all over the board. So we don't have a very strong right wing or conservative movement currently. But I think we need to develop something much more robust. And as I said earlier, rooted in Catholicism. In 2006, the right wing was pro-war, go kill, kill, kill, get the oil. Oh, yeah. Yep. Get the oil. Get the oil. Halliburton. The right has changed so much. And it's really depressing. And it's funny, though, because what the right was in like 2006, 2007, around that time during the Bush era, was mostly neoconservative and trump has sort of changed that and actually brought it back to something a little more old school not entirely

because he's very socially liberal but his more like populist economic policies and his attitudes towards issues being based on what he thinks are best for is best for like working people is i think like a more traditional version of conservatism than we've had in this country. And these Black Lives Matter are neoliberals. They're not liberals. Liberalism is good. It's a balance. Yeah, that's another discussion. This weird aberration of liberalism is—

It's not. That's why people start saying classical liberalism, to protect what it means to be a legit OG. Let's just call them neoliberals and call classical liberals liberals. I prefer cultists or cultist works. Crazy people, noisemakers. Noisemakers. Rabble, rabble, rabble. What does classical liberal mean either?

Because sometimes classically liberal is made to refer specifically to, or is used to refer specifically to enlightenment values. But I think more recently, people who would have been considered liberal 10 years ago, but now are considered moderate, call themselves classically liberal they're wrong they don't they're wrong with us okay good i'm on the same page as you but i've noticed many people using the phrase that way and i'm yeah i'm curious what your thoughts are on that because because uh and also what the proper

label is for those people if you're talking about people who are liberal 10 years ago you're talking about social liberals yeah like sock dams maybe so uh no no no no not necessarily because don't wouldn't you say the liberals 10 years ago probably were in favor of like universal health yeah that was me government power yeah well obama was okay so kind of like sock dems social liberalism is almost identical to classical liberalism but it leans more towards solving social issues with government yeah not it's not extreme it's not far left it's center left so it's basically like are like, I don't know, I lean more towards a free market solution. And social liberal is, yeah, but some of these things can't be solved by a free market. And then we hold hands and we sing songs and we compromise because you're like standing next to each other. What

they've become, like they're not liberal at all. So I've heard a lot of people say, I used to be a liberal. I guess I'm a classical in the sense. No,'re talking about john locke you're talking about exactly what is essentially a very libertarian position in the u.s yes you're in his thing oh i used to be you're like social democrat socially liberal i was well social social democrat is typically a reference to a stronger welfare state yeah i used to be like that but so social liberal isn't because like a social democrat is not a person who would necessarily say that, you know, the state needs to seize ownership of the means of production and return that to the people.

They believe in a market economy. They just want it to be really strongly regulated and they want for there to be a very robust welfare state. Definitely. If you look at like Vanderbilt and his use of the railroads in the 1800s, he strangled New York City. He had the only rail line in and out of New York. And he just said one day, you know what?

Screw you. I've heard. I've heard crazy stories of modern day versions of that York, and he just said one day, you know what? Screw you, New York. I've heard crazy stories of modern-day versions of that with internet. Oh, man. But wait, I can't get in. We gotta go to Super Chats now. Oh, no. Oh, no? Oh, yes. They're all just gonna be talking smack to me. Everybody! Because you're Freedom Tunes. Exactly. They're gonna make fun

of me and ask me to do voices. Oh, alright. I will take all of your money if you're insulting Seamus. Just say mean things about me. It's alright. I can take it. You know, I work on the internet. That's the rent you pay. And if you want him to do an impersonation, the minimum is $100. Is it what? And am I going to see any of that?

I'm kidding. No, it's mine. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. However, you did. It's it's it's. You're ready for this? Oh, no.

First. First, we got from Eric Burns. Mark, she says, don't teach a member of the 70 plus genders how to fish. We need universal basic seafood. Anyone against this has Pesco privilege. Signed, The Squad. I love it. Crippy Leaf says, no Ben Shapiro impression, no peace.

Okay, thanks. I'll do the Ben Shapiro impression if everyone's going to lose their minds about it. Because last time I was looking at the chats after I was done with the show and everyone was asking for Ben Shapiro the entire time and I realized that I hadn't done it thoroughly and part of that was because I was very tired that day. I'd taken several plane rides in order to get here because I was looking at the chats after I was done with the show and everyone was asking for Ben Shapiro the entire time and I realized that I hadn't done it thoroughly and part of that was because I was very tired that day. I had taken several plane rides in order to get here because I was on the other side of the continent and I'm here and I'm talking and I have to do this Ben Shapiro impression and don't get me wrong, I'm happy to do it.

I'm happy to be here. Okay, gang. But I'm not just like, you can't just put a quarter on my back and expect a Ben Shapiro impression. So hopefully that super chat was for more than a quarter. It was definitely. Yeah, $2. Okay, thank goodness.

All right, we're good then. Let's see. Nikki says, you know your message is resonating with people when the woke start whining mocking your appearance and losers are creating hit job vids to piggyback on your success keep it up tim you're changing lives i have noticed that i've noticed that like you and ruben will get a lot of hit pieces and videos made about you but that just shows that what you're doing i just ignore it all yeah well yeah you have to i mean i mean like sometimes sometimes there is good faith criticism which you should take into account. Nope. Yeah.

Listen, man. I think it depends on who it comes from. Like if a friend comes to me and says, hey, this video seemed wrong for this reason, I'll listen. But if it's like some YouTuber and their whole goal is to get views dunking on you, then it's like, you do your thing. I'm fine with you being able to do that, but you're probably not going to have advice for me. That'll be that great at appealing to my audience or speaking the truth. You can't read the tone of text. It's the tone that helps you learn a lot of times i wake up i read the news i complain

about my feelings on the internet if you think uh like the people who who who are dunking on me assume i'm like some prominent um high profile public figure you can view me that way i know i get a lot of views and everything but listen man, man, I still wake up, sit down, read the news, and then complain about my feelings. I don't script it. I've even been very self-deprecating. I've said, like, it's very obvious I don't put a lot of work into what I do. I literally press record and then just talk about my feelings.

If my feelings resonate, I'm grateful. It's awesome. But, like, there's no planning stage. There's no A-B testing. There's no script writing. It's literally like, wow, did you see this story about the 300 people getting arrested? Dude, record. Guys, did you see this?

Man, I can't believe it because you know I was reading the story the other day and I just talk about my feelings, right? So when people start making hit pieces about me, I'm like, I didn't care about you a year ago. I didn't care about you two years ago. I'm not going to care about you today and I'll'll never even know you existed in a year from now. Why? Because all I'm doing is telling you my feelings and the things I read. And I'm trying to make sure I have the correct understanding of these things. And then when I'm done, I go and play video games or I'll go skate.

I'll play some music. And then we'll hang out and have more conversations. Why? Because I like to have conversations. If people want to watch, this is what I've always told people. The reason I started kind of doing what I did when I traveled around the world was because I wanted to travel. And I said, maybe people would like to watch and see what I film when I travel. And I wanted to go to places in conflict and crisis. And I did that. Now I want to talk about how I feel about news

and make sure I'm getting the details right. My opinions are informed. And I guess people want to watch that too. So they can rag on me all day and night. Right on, man. More power to you. Congratulations. No beef. I just want to add one other thing you do. Eat banana chips. Recently. Dude, those are good.

Those are good. Ian has done so many Reply Guy videos just scorching me. He's always like, this is what's wrong with Freedom Tunes. And then he uploads it to his channel with his avatar and people come and scorch me in the comments section. Because I'm a wild animal, bro. Exactly. All right, let's read some more of these. I'm sorry for derailing that.

Let's see. Tom Bowersock says, wasn't a fan of Maj yesterday. That said, this chat is to respect the fact that you had him on and had an interesting conversation. And I hope everybody who checked out that episode who weren't fans can respect that. At least tried to make

sure I was reading their comments as well. So the people who were upset, we ended up going 45 minutes extra because I was going to make sure if you think he's getting things wrong, we're not going to shy away from this. They all tweeted at me. Because we put your name on accident. I'm so sorry. No, it actually wasn't that many tweets. I just think it's really funny to

ham up. All right, here we go. Stephen O'Hare says, 20 bucks for fake Sasquatch news. That's right. That's how we started. Right. Sasquatch is not real. I don't think so either.

I think Sasquatch was a bear. Do you think so? No, it was a guy in a suit. That's what they're looking at. Yeah. No. Oh, maybe at one point. Joe Rogan had a really good bit

about that, actually. What was it? He gets in it. He's just talking about how the guy who, like, photographed Bigfoot. Dude, I feel like I'm going to get this wrong,

but it's something like the guy who photographed Bigfoot, like his whole thing was to try to find a picture of Bigfoot and anyone out there. And coincidentally, he did. It's like a guy in a suit. But please don't quote me on that. I hope I'm not spreading fake news about fake Bigfoot sightings. All right, let's see what we got. Gentleman says, are you still making that card game with Seamus?

If so, is there a Kickstarter we can donate to? In fact, it is also with Ian, who is the game master. And because we both play Magic the Gathering and Adam as well. Most of you guys know Adam Kregler is contributing to the game mechanics. And Seamus is the art fella. Is the artist. Yeah, I've been doing art for that. And it's a lot of fun.

I've never really played any of those card games, any kind of magic themes or any of that. And part of that was just not going towards towards that i think as a christian but i really love the idea of this really fun card game which we've developed in which you guys have had like incredible ideas for and then me just being able to get these make jokes these jokes that i can make about whatever political figures we're discussing because i think it's going to be an extremely fun card game that's going to basically appeal to anyone who pays any attention to politics. And so I'm so pumped. It's basically a tabletop.

The idea is you can pop open the box and you can play with all your friends. And the goal is to get your opponent canceled, banned from the internet. It's on the fourth iteration now. It was really complicated at first. Like me and Tim are huge Magic fans. And it's really funny

because when you guys reached out to me about this, I had no idea how how public it is so I was like trying to keep it on the DL and people like oh Tim Pool mentioned you're working on a card game and I was like okay cool I can talk about it because I'm really pumped to put it together somebody somebody had a really good super chat Samuel Eddy says for Freedom Tunes Tim Pool time travels and tells his younger self he is voting for Trump and then a much older tim pool appears from further in the future and man yeah that could be good yeah because i said i said like in 2018 i will never vote for donald trump it's never gonna happen i was laughing yeah and now here i'm like i'm gonna vote for trump you know and you know can i ask you a super chat sir me yes where's the money i'll get a dollar out of my pocket and hand it to you after the show what's the super chat what is your most

important issue this election what What's like the number one thing you're voting about? The riots. The riots, okay. Fair enough. I feel like the Democrats have tried to use the destruction of the small business owner and the family and innocent people to gain political power and I am enraged by this.

When I watched that guy I forgot what his name was but he had his sports bar burned to the ground yeah and he was crying he's in the news and the Democrats were supporting all of this obviously like they've been careful about how they have but they have and so I thought you're we are watching innocent people bawling their eyes out on TV having their lives ripped from them and destroyed by violent mobs. And all I asked was you say, stop this. And you wouldn't do it.

You wouldn't call out Antifa. You wouldn't call it Black Lives Matter. The Democrats need to understand we as regular Americans who want to live our lives, whether you're liberal or conservative, want to open a small business and be with your family. We will not tolerate you bailing these people out and supporting this destruction. And on top of that, I said earlier in the year, one of the things Trump could do to get me to vote for him, there's a couple things, is pardoning nonviolent drug offenders and doing like an executive order to essentially legalize marijuana and or pulling our troops

out of the Middle East. Trump is doing that and he's doing peace agreements, so I'm satisfied. Good for you. Is it all right if I ask you guys, too, before we hop on? I'm actually really curious. Oh, yeah. You want to start, Ian? Yeah, mine is the Trans-Pacific Partnership and how the Democratic Obama and Biden wanted

to get us into this trade deal with Malaysia and all these countries in East Asia that would have basically allowed them to sue uh our population if they felt like we were discriminating against their oil companies and things so if they wanted to sell us you know korean oil or set malaysian oil and we said no we don't want it they would say well you're discriminating so we're going to sue the american government and um trump like a week after he got into office or something he just nixed the whole deal yep he said he was going to do it, and he gets in and he goes, boom, gone. Yeah.

And I don't understand why the progressives weren't cheering for that, because Bernie Sanders said the same thing. It was hidden. Trump was doing it. That was the only thing. It was hidden in a clause inside of it, so it was very on the down low. I'll let you know if I remember the name of the clause. Yes, please do.

And then Lyds. Oh, yeah. So I think my biggest issue right now is probably also the riots because it is it can no longer be the national deficit. I really hate that about the Trump administration because I was very concerned about the national deficit. Because if you like me ever want to have children, you need to think about what we're leaving to our kids. Yep. That's a huge deficit. And it just got like four times taller. Yeah. Ten feet taller. No joke. Yeah. Trump comes out. We're going to make the deficit 10 feet taller in the graph. That's only one.

Oh, gosh. Yeah. What about you, Seamus? Oh, I would definitely say abortion. It always is. Just the fact that we're killing, I think, like 800,000 unborn babies per year. Did you see the Democrat article, the pro-life Democrats? I got a full page ad in the New York Times.

I'm going to show it to you after the show. They said the Democrats need to moderate their position on abortion because they're leaving behind 30 percent of their own supporters and 44 percent of independent voters because they've become too extreme. And I have been saying that, too. I'm pro choice. But when Michelle, what's her what's her name? Wolf or whatever comes out on Netflix going, everybody get abortions.

You get an abortion. And I'm like, this is gross it's gross you know yeah it's it's it's it's it's it's like i was saying about a deportation too they've gone instead of just being like we're gonna slowly move left they went they just jumped like a whole football field to the left and i'm like whoa not okay with that sorry i remembered what oh no no it's called the investor state dispute settlement if you look up the trans-pacific partnership and look at the investor state dispute settlement you can read about how just they were going to sell our country out i will

and i what i was just going to say in response to tim before we move to the super chats uh was that yeah i mean i believe abortion at any stage in pregnancy is murder, but it's obvious that the official position of the Democratic Party is even more radically pro-choice than that of most left-wing people. I don't call it pro-choice. It's just pro-abortion. Exactly. I would argue that any position in support of it is, but the Democrats are also getting up to the point of literally being pro-infanticide. In some states, they're against the Born Alive Act. I mean, if an abortion fails and the child is delivered, they believe that it's acceptable to kill that child and that there's no protections that that child should have extended to them by the government. Tulsi Gabbard said there's got to

be some restrictions. And it's a very, very complicated and difficult argument. I believe she is correct. And for libertarian reasons, I'm pro-choice. I think life begins at conception. But there are serious challenge in the government's authority, what they can do and how they can control things and what their rights are. And it really just comes down to one of these ethical arguments where there's a moral disagreement. And I ultimately am very much not a fan of abortion, but I recognize the difficulties in trying to be a nation with individual freedoms and restricting the power of the government in certain capacities.

That being said, is a big challenge for me, for sure. So when I'm confronted with these arguments, I'm sitting here racking my brain, trying to, like, find this balance. And then the left comes out and starts screaming, you know, what did Lena Dunham say? She wished she had an abortion. Oh, my goodness. Do you remember that? Yeah. That's like, come on, man. We're trying to have a discussion about something that we think is like, like the position of the Democrats used to be begrudgingly.

We don't want to be for this, but we recognize the importance of it in certain circumstances. Yes. Safe, legal and rare was the buzz phrase, but that they don't really care about rare, and they don't even really care about safe at all. Anytime anyone tries to impose any restrictions on Planned Parenthood or the way they're able to operate, they cry bloody murder about how this is restricting abortion access.

So safe doesn't matter to them at all. Rare doesn't matter to them at all. Legal is all they care about. I think this ad from the pro-life Democrats is legit. I think there's a lot of Democrats. I had a conversation with uh i've been talking a lot of my friends you know because we're getting close to the election and oh we're getting close to our our oh i'm so sorry i totally derailed this no no no it's fine it's great conversation i we're uh i gotta clear up the hard drives anyway i digress i was talking to a friend of mine who is a progressive left-leaning voter who said they were scared to speak up about how

they're pro-life and i was like then how are you voting for a democrat and they said they probably wouldn't oh well yeah but they're but they but they're progressive and they're just like they can't support it good for them well i mean i'll pray for them and i hope that that they can't support it. Good for them. Well, I mean, I'll pray for him and I hope that, that they can be encouraged to know that speaking out for life is the most noble thing you can do. And, uh, I'll leave it at that. I'm going to,

I'm going to try and read through some of these quickly because, uh, can we stop the recording and keep the stream going? The stream will keep going no matter what. Okay. It's just, if we want to make sure people can watch it later. Yeah.

So, uh, let's see. I just had a great super chin. I feel bad uh question for shamus sure in the freedom tunes why won't you debate me is the red button on trump's remote control the nuke button if it is love lol if it is love your stuff dude well i mean it should i believe the president probably should have a remote control which can go first of all if anyone

is to be trusted they had it in this big, stupid looking football. I said, we don't like that. We don't like it. Let's put it. Let's put that on the remote. Don't you think it should be on the remote? I think it should be on the remote. So we put it right on the remote.

Yep. All right. We got the real Darth Squishy says, this goes out to my favorite basement dwelling newscaster. Bring on Adam Ford or someone else from the Babylon Bee. That would be awesome. Those guys are really cool. And I just chatted with them. We're not in the basement.

We haven't been for a very, very long time. The basement studio has moved. We're actually on the... We're in the attic. I want to show you guys. It's beautiful up here. We got it. Much better than a basement.

We're in an attic. A beam bath. Look at this. A TV behind Seamus now that wasn't there the other day. It wasn't there. It's really big. I brought that for Tim as a token of my gratitude for allowing me on the show again. All right.

Here we go. Captain says, Tim, doubling down on yesterday's question about military gear, you mentioned citizens shouldn't see APCs with military types hanging off with long guns. Those guys are SWAT, not regular police. The defund military gear argument needs research. I completely agree. You're correct. I mentioned this earlier in the day that the challenge is due to population density and the increased danger from large groups that are rioting that we didn't have in the past. And now we're entering a really difficult period where we say we don't want cops to

look like a military force, but we also have 300 people running around smashing and starting fires and shooting cops. And not only is it larger population, but easier for them to coordinate. Exactly. And so if I'm going to ask an officer to please stop the riots they're going to say okay can i have an armored vehicle i'm going to be like that makes sense someone just shot a bunch of cops yeah so now it's like it's not a question of what they should look like or should be doing it's a question of where where is this going to lead as society

grows bigger and you know robot cops oh my goodness theme of the show the grizzly says call of duty this year is set in the cold war where the soviets are the villains i heard about this they went so far as to promote kgb defector yuri bezmanov yes and kataka wrote an article calling the decision dangerous alt-right boogeyman for fascist trump supporters hysterical yeah being anti-communist makes you dangerous in alt-right that's hilarious anti-communist is called like a far-right dog whistle. And have you seen these articles about quote-unquote far-right pedophilia panic? Oh, yeah. That's a phrase now. Being

panicked about pedophiles makes you far-right. I gotta try and go quick, so I'll make sure I get these. Let's see. Ron Garian says, can we get an impression of Donald Trump doing an impression of Jordan Peterson in the speed of Ben Shapiro? Okay, so first we're gonna start. We're gonna go like, oh, a little up here, I'm Jordan Peterson in the speed of Ben Shapiro. Okay, so first we're going to start. We're going to go like, oh, a little up here.

I'm Jordan Peterson. Like, how good is this Jordan Peterson is the first question. Right. Probably not great. Oh, this is Jordan Peterson. I'm going to do really well with the speed of Ben Shapiro. Now I'm just talking like Barney, but really, really quickly. I'd be like, okay, folks, here's the thing.

If you're going to embody the archetypal mythos of the hero by metaphorically dying, you have to go to the underworld and rescue your father. Okay, gang? I can't believe you did it. You have to hero by metaphorically dying, you have to go to the underworld and rescue your father. Okay, gang? I can't believe you did that. You have to go to the underworld, you have to rescue your father, and then you have to put together your own archetype and make sure that your room is perfectly clean so that you're capable of doing it. There were like five words in there that didn't make sense. You pulled it off. But you know what?

I'm happy because it was just as fast as it needed to be. I'm impressed. Thank you. I love it. Sirkel says, Tim, thank you for your unique perspective. I never miss your videos because you are real. Lydia is legit, too. Keep up the great work.

We will. Wow, Ian. We got left out there. Woot. We're getting. Yeah. When they win, I win. All right.

Let's see. Good for you, honestly. Ian Hall says, to General Poole, Salty Army First Division, and Seamus the Amazing, one very important question. If someone serves in the military and not a citizen, should they be given the fast forward to the line my personal opinion is yes mine is as well wait wait wait repeat if someone isn't a citizen uh-huh and they join the u.s military and serve should they get a fast track to citizenship oh my gosh when he said the line i thought he meant the front lines i was like why would you do that that's why that's why i wanted to make sure that I didn't mishear that. But yeah, I think there's something there.

And we're certainly really hurting for membership in the military. Are we? I thought we were. Yeah, I think that's part of why. I mean, they say that if we ever really had free college, the number of people signing up for the military would decrease exponentially because that's the motivation for quite a few people i mean many of the people who join yeah i actually don't know the metric for that to be honest so well i do think they should get a fast track should they get a fast track i haven't given it that much thought my first instinct is to say yes that sounds like a good thing but don't hold me to that because i haven't given it a lot of thought i mean

this is the first time i'm hearing absolutely yeah absolutely learn that they they are going to serve and protect and join the armed forces they're going to get proper training they're going to be in the command structure and so i think that's fantastic yeah and um we can reciprocate you know we can be reciprocal fair enough yeah so uh philip xavier says shamus what's your view on same-sex marriage oh yeah i mean i believe marriage is between a man and a woman you don't agree with same-sex marriage? Oh, yeah. I mean, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't agree with same-sex marriage at all? No, no. There's an interesting—we were talking about something about this a while ago, because one of these, like—I had a moment where there was this thing called Prop 8, the musical.

Do you know what Prop 8 was? That was—so was Proposition 8 the one in California that— Yes. Yeah. And so this was before the Supreme Court ruling and all that. And there's a line where Jack Black says, remember, your nation is built on separation of church and state, which it's actually I'm pretty sure it's not. It was like it was way later after the formation of the U.S. They talked about the separation. But the interesting thing about it was I was like, wouldn't that actually mean that marriage as an Abrahamic institution couldn't face like under the under the First Amendment, couldn't be altered or ordered. Well, and on top of that, I reject the view that this is a specifically religious issue. It's just

a product of natural law. It's not just Catholic teaching that marriage is between a man and a woman. This was held by virtually all Christian denominations until probably 30 years ago, and is held by many other religions and many people who aren't even religious. The point is, oftentimes when someone says a religion is being forced on them, what they're saying is that people want the state to encourage people to live by natural law. I'm not out there saying that it should be illegal to eat meat on Friday. I'm not forcing my Catholic faith onto people. I'm saying that we need to define laws in accordance with reality.

And it is the reality that marriage is between a man and woman. That's what the word means. It means to mix when you marry two things. So what if you could do like legal marriage for any sexes, but holy marriage for men and women? I guess I'm not sure what that would mean. Like legal, you mean like civil unions? Taxes, right. Like civil unions and taxes?

So check this out. This is really important. So I recognize, and Obama had this position too, that marriage is a religious institution, that like the concept is. But it became a policy institution for American citizens. And so now I have friends who are, I have a very good friend of mine is a lesbian. She makes more money than her significant other. If they get married, they share the tax benefits.

Right now as individuals, they're not reap share the tax benefits. Right now, as individuals, they're not reaping the full, you know, benefits of a married couple. And if they want to live together and have a life together, and I think as a very, you know, by more power to him, I'm, you know, happy that she's happy. I think she should have the same equality under the tax law. And that means she needs the same legal protections. You see what I mean? Yeah. So what you said earlier, though, I find interesting, this idea that it was like a religious issue, but then it became a public policy issue. I guess I just reject the idea that it was – I mean, it's become a religious issue in the sense that the Catholic Church is pretty much the only remaining institution in the world that is upholding the traditional definition of marriage. But I don't agree that it's specifically religious.

I mean, you have people getting married in non-religious contexts all the time, and that was never viewed as anything but between a man and a woman until very recently. Right. Well, that's because it's rooted in a religious context. Would you say that, though? I mean, people got married before Abrahamic religions existed. Did they? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, because, look, if a woman is going to become pregnant if she has sex with you, then she's probably going to want certain commitments, and the community is going to want to ensure that you're going to stick around with her before you have kids. So like those are probably the anthropological foundations of marriage. So the way I view it is if we're going to grant law benefits, legal benefits, we have to grant identical benefits to all people. Now there's certain challenges in where you draw the line and people have different morals on this because there's been a bunch of arguments about where that leads to but if if if we have equality under the law and we have equality

in the constitution then we can't tell people you know you can't have the same rights as somebody else yeah i guess it depends but there are challenges there because the interpretation of what a right would be yeah and so that's why it's like look i think it really comes down to generational morality like when i'm literal, like a younger generation is going to be more like, sure, why not? Right. I don't I have no problem with with with gay marriage. The next generation is going to say, sure, why not? I have no problem with, you know, gender, you know, gender dysphoric youth taking hormones.

The next generations will are changing. I will I will add, though, a few research shows that Generation Z has actually tilted slightly back conservative a little bit. So we'll see how that plays out. I don't know if you want to – Yeah, no, we can continue the Super Chat. Take the last word on that one, but I think we're going to – I'll do one more Super Chat. You could go for like an hour on it. Right, exactly.

So I don't want to take the last word from you if you wanted to say anything. I mean, I suppose you could go back to the Super Chat. Right on. All right, let's see. We'll take just one more because, you know, let's take some. The World is Not Enough says, wait, Tim believes life begins at conception is pro-choice but anti-death penalty. Convicts greater than fetuses, Tim. There is a great ethical conundrum in there, and it's why I explain why it's so difficult.

I think it's absurd to argue that life doesn't begin at conception. It absolutely does. You literally have an independent life. It requires support to a certain for a certain amount of time that doesn't take away what it is because it's a very simple argument. If someone's on life support, it doesn't take away what they are. If someone requires a kidney transplant, doesn't take away what they are. And so we have to make sure that there is there's this clear point.

A lot of the arguments from from the left and the Democrats on abortion has been determining a nebulous line where they finally agree that this clear point. A lot of the arguments from the left and the Democrats on abortion has been determining a nebulous line where they finally agree that this is life. It's like, no, the life was created when the cells began splitting just because it's not big enough for you. I don't agree with that. So when it comes to abortion, I've had long conversations about this. I've had long ethical meditations on it, I suppose. And I just can't get myself past

the line where the government has the right to mandate one person provide part of their body to another person. So I don't view abortion as murder, though I do view it as the act that will kill the life. So why is it not murder, but an act that will kill a life? I guess, where do you draw the distinction? So the way I see it is, if I'm giving my blood to someone else, and I say, I don't want to give you my blood anymore, it is my individual autonomy not to be forcefully, by the government, told I have to give you my blood to keep you alive. But what if you put the person in the situation where they required your blood? So the issue there is, now we have to determine whether or not you did

and so do we have a court about that do we have a legal proceeding are you lying are you telling the truth and do we so it really just comes down to who that's that i had a great conversation with glenn beck about this and it's like man i hear you you know it's just like i keep in my mind hitting the wall where i'm like the government says you must give your blood i guess because i don't know well i don't believe that it's an equivalency because in one situation you're talking about the government forcing you to give blood to somebody presumably possibly a stranger whereas this is a situation of a mother-child relationship which is fundamentally different and it could be forced on the woman so that's true i'll tell you this i think a horrible

situation but i still believe that that that child has all of the same rights that we do. So I think there's I've heard from conservatives the exception with incest and rape. I disagree with that. Yeah, I think like if you're arguing that that's a ground for grounds for abortion, I'm like, I don't agree. First of all, I think the health of the mother and child is absolutely a circumstance. And ultimately, regardless of the argument, I just can't hit, I hit that wall where the

government says we have to provide our bodies to someone else for any capacity, for any reason. And I think, I'll tell you this, if someone told me that they were going to get an abortion as contraception, that's disgusting to me. Like, oh, accidentally got pregnant, going to go to the abortion. I'm like, that's horrifying horrifying and the challenge is we could set limits like you can't do that and then what do we do to the victims and it's look man i don't think there's a good answer to this i really really don't yeah i disagree i understand where you're coming from about some of it being messy at some point but there was a point in time in this country where abortion was illegal and not necessarily in every state but in pre roe v wade many states did not prohibit or I'm sorry, prohibited abortion at any point.

And I did a video on this a little while ago. There were a lot of myths spread by abortion activists about back alley abortions and how frequently they led to deaths. And almost all of that was untrue. For sure. Most of the decline in deaths from back alley abortions we saw was a result of the development of antibiotics and not any changes in our laws. The year before Roe v. Wade was passed, you had almost as many, if not just as many abortions as you did the year, I'm sorry, deaths by abortion as we did immediately after. And many of those deaths occurred in states where abortion was legal. So I guess my point is I reject the framing that this is too complicated for us to handle legally

because we have in the past. It's a hard moral and ethical conundrum. I don't think I have the best answer. I don't think I have good answers. I just think that there's like something in my mind where I see like an ethical issue. But I will say just to move on, not that I can give you a satisfactory answer. And for that, I apologize. Just come over to my side, Tim.

Come over to pro-life side. I would say that philosophically I'm definitely pro-life. Legally, I'm not. So legally I err. But I will say this. I think there's got to be restrictions on when you can get an abortion, like Tulsi Gabbard said. And in reference to the question about convicts being greater than fetuses the issue with convicts i'm against death penalty the reason is i believe if you've subdued someone to the point where they're no longer a threat snuffing out their life is destruction of a miracle individuals

are infinitely unique and uh choosing to kill something that is you know yeah it's something like a cow? It's a person, yeah. Oh, and I recognize, like, choosing to kill an animal comes from serving a purpose. Mm-hmm. You know? But having someone locked in a cell,

there's serious ethical conundrums. I've contemplated exile. Like, what right do you have to cage somebody if they've slighted your view of morality? Do you put them on a boat, kick them off, and say, go live in a...

I don't know. Humans are animals. It's tough questions, man. I do believe that our life is far above that of animals, though. But we're also animals. We're all just different types of animals. We're rational animals. I mean, we're rational creatures, too.

I don't even really like the phrase animals. We've desynchronized with evolution. We've broken ourselves out of it. So when you look at the difference between humans and animals, you have this balance in nature to a certain extent where there's like a lion runs fast trying to catch a gazelle. The gazelle runs faster. So if the lion is fast enough or the gazelle is too slow, then the victory goes to the lion. This over thousands of years results in slight changes between the two groups, the the gazelle becomes faster to survive the lion becomes slimmer or that the

animal changes humans figure out how to manipulate their environment so instead of evolving to become faster they just made a bow and arrow and shot yeah throwing was such a huge evolution exactly so humans are outside of the evolutionary process now because our brains can manipulate the environment to such a degree. We can control everything. And it's getting crazy. Like the cameras, the lights, the technology. It's incredible. It's amazing stuff.

Did you guys hear that the female egg actually attracts the sperm that it wants to fertilize it? I haven't heard anything like that. I just started hearing this and I haven't done fact check. I always thought that it was like the sperm raced for the egg, and then one got there. But apparently there's like a... I have heard that. It's like a magnetic thing or something. Yeah, kind of interesting.

So here's a really good question. Okay. This is Monitor says, how about if you woke up and found out that you were attached to another human being and sharing their blood? You know that they will survive if you wait nine months, and you will be fine. If you disconnect, they will die. So... Is the violinist thought experiment, correct?

Is that what it's referred to as? Yes. Oh, really? Yeah. I'd say get off. No, I mean, I guess I just fundamentally disagree that that's analogous to abortion. I don't think a mother-child relationship is the same as being attached to a complete stranger. But even so, I think I would try to stay there and not let this other stranger die.

Not that I even think that question merits an answer because I don't really see it as an equivalence. So does the state or does the state not require a parent whose children are born to take care of their children if they are capable of doing so? Yes. Does the state require that the mother provide parts of her body to that child? No. After they're born, it's a little bit different. So this really does create the ethical challenge. No, after they're born, it's a little bit different. I'm sure there's probably a bunch of leftists who are screaming about what you're saying. I'm sure there's conservatives screaming about what I'm saying. And so finding that point where we're both equally unhappy. I don't want that point.

One thing that could push people towards the pro-life side. I'm kind of pro-choice by nature. But one thing that could push people towards the pro-life side is if you gave babies social security numbers at conception. Why would that? I think psychologically people would have a much harder time killing it if they thought of it as like a citizen. So, huh. I guess that's kind of sad, though,

if it was the case that a social security number would be doing more to uphold the dignity of a human life than the fact that we know that this is a unique individual. It's like, when does it become a human? When it's born or when it's conceived? When it's conceived, I think it's fertilization. But it's a question. Fertilization. It's not a question. I don't disagree on that. I think it's dishonest when does it become a human when it's born or when it's conceived when it's seen i think it fertilization it's a question fertilization it's not a question on that no i i think i think it's a heartbeat see like tim you're so right about this which is why it's like it's surprising to me that it's a it's a policy it's a libertarian thing it's like to what extent

can the government make you do a thing and that's the like the extent that you don't kill someone i think is the answer but but it's it's the difference kill someone, I think, is the answer. But the difference between – What you do. But this is the problem I see. Oh, yeah. And we'll probably never see it, I'd I. Yeah. But the problem I see is if something is attached to me and we're making an assumption about whether it was chosen or not, I certainly would be – I'm certainly not a fan of individuals who do it willy-nilly as conception. That, to me me is disgusting. Somebody who was forced into it or I outside of that,

because it's a it's a really difficult ethical position. They're giving their body to someone to sustain their life. Removing them is saying you're on your own. They'll die. So it's an issue to me. And I've not taken it lightly. I've thought about these questions. And I just can't get to the point where you have a person saying, I don't want my body to – like it's my body. It's like the only thing I have that I – is me and I can control. And there are a lot of people who often feel they have no control and this is the one thing that's theirs. And they're being told, yeah, well, for whatever reason, you're providing your body now to another entity. I'm just like I can't view a government right to do that. But I'm willing to compromise and set limits, even hard limits. But it's but it is it is an inherent challenge. I'll tell you this, man,

when I was growing up, all the conversations I had, this is what's crazy about it, was what I'm saying right now was considered to be like the hardcore pro-choice. The hard left position, yes. Right, right, right, right. And I would have arguments with, because I went to Catholic school, and that's when I was older, I still had parents and friends, and we would argue about it, and they would be like, oh, you're wrong. Now what I'm saying is supposed to be the center or even a right-wing position. Sadly, yes.

That's ridiculous to me. So, look, man, I don't have good answers. I don't. All I know is, like, it's like a moral and ethical conundrum. Yeah, I mean, you're right that at this intersection, you and I probably are going to have to agree to disagree. But I would just say as my last words, I believe life has to be protected at all points in time from conception until natural death. And hopefully we'll see eye to eye on it someday. And, yeah, hopefully we'll see eye to eye on it someday.

I think late-term abortions are insane when it's,'s like looks like a human and it's got a beating heart. And it's like seven months later. There are certain issues. There are certain issues. I was talking when I was talking my friend about this. She said that she was very pro-life, but she thought there could be exceptions for like Down syndrome and other things. And I said, I said, absolutely not. I was like, you can't tell me that look have you seen

the video where the man with down syndrome who lived he's like giving a speech about how his life matters and it absolutely does i don't like that idea that you're going to be like well this is an undesirable baby so this one doesn't no no no no no no uh-uh what about a baby that would be born as a vegetable see that's a different question well i don't know because even that can be used as an art like my point is if it's an argument that can be used for infanticide generally it's probably not the best argument to be made for your case but or that again maybe because abortion is infanticide but but i would not kill a woman to give birth to a baby that was going to be in a bed i comatose for its whole life yeah i just i disagree with the concept of forced birth birth is what happens

naturally i don't think it would be okay for that woman to kill that child because of their disability. I believe that human life is precious and valuable simply because it exists. It doesn't have to exhibit the same signs of sentience that you and I do. Every single human person is crafted by God, and you don't even have to believe in God to recognize that human life is beautiful and sacred, though that is, of course, where I i come from and my final point here is that there are no exceptions to the human life which needs to be respected again conception till natural death my my my view on life being a miracle is probably very similar to how you described it with god but mine comes from uh writings of uh who wrote watchman was it frank miller maybe can you look up who wrote the watchman

comic uh dr manhattan yeah have you ever read this or seen the movie i saw the film when he's explaining how all of these infinitely insane things can finally converge to create this one unique individual that can't be recreated in any way so alan moore alan moore that's right and then if i could just throw one thing out there, actually, I maybe want to issue like a minor correction to what I said. My point about not necessarily needing to be religious to see abortion is wrong or to see that human life is sacred is coming from a place of maybe recognizing that I don't see abortion as any more of a religious issue than any other religious issue is.

But then again, I am sympathetic to the view that when you lose faith in God, you no longer believe in God, you will eventually stop seeing human life as sacred at some point down the line. I think there are a lot of people that have fallen down that. I don't know if I necessarily agree though. Maybe not you as an individual,

but I think once a society loses it, it just has to go down that direction. I've gone down the whole life is sacred path, like Jainism. It's extreme, like not stepping on grass because you don't want to destroy it, not killing the bugs on your arm. That's extreme. not stepping on grass because you don't want to destroy it not killing a butter not killing the bugs on your arm that's that's extreme it is extreme yeah and i think a lot of

times the the extreme religious thing don't kill a baby ever in the womb is also i don't i just disagree that that's religious necessarily yeah you know uh i i actually don't like killing bugs with an exception for flies because i'm just biased i'm i'm insect like we have the bug assault thing where you it's like a shotgun you it sprays salt that thing is cool i saw that so just a deformed baby that can't that can't open its eyes or speak or where do you draw the line and also these are the hard cases because oftentimes when people let me ask you if that is not the case are you only for abortion in that case? Like why is this special argument being made? No, no.

Okay. I just – I'm kind of similar. I would never want the government to force a woman into a position of burden. Yeah. I mean, again, I just – I don't view it that way. I view it as telling someone you must provide your body and blood to another person. Yeah.

It's not anyone else's job for a woman if she needs to get – that's just how I feel. It's like – Yeah. I mean, I totally disagree, but I think we've reached an intersection where we kind of hit the person. Yeah, it's not anyone else's job for a woman if she needs to get it. That's just how I feel. It's like... Yeah. I mean, I totally disagree, but I think we've reached an intersection where we kind of hit the mark. Yeah. And with that said... With that said...

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No, no. You kill all the baby's feelings about that. Yeah, yeah. No, obviously that's a discussion which it can be really difficult to have in a way where you don't say something that you later realize you could have put in a better way or something like that. This is one of the few issues where there's no fence it is a it is a sharp spire where you fall on one side of the other and it's really difficult to try and find that position where it's like oh man it's tough it's tough it's a it's a freedom issue it's tough

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