Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #143 - Leftists Threaten More Riots As Election Draws Near, DC Riot Squad Guests

Episode Date: October 2, 2020

Tim and Lydia host Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott on Twitter), Jorge Ventura (@VenturaReport on Twitter) and Richie McGinniss (@RichieMcGinniss on Twitter) to discuss the recent experiences Shelby, Jorge, and Richie had at protests, including arrests, being hit by less-than-lethal munitions, being held at gunpoint, and firsthand witnessing the Kenosha event.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Associated Press has decided that it is not appropriate to refer to protests as protests because, you know, there's been a bit of violence. They don't want to call them riots. So the AP new guideline says to call it unrest. And a lot of people are kind of upset about it. They're saying that's ridiculous. Just call them riots. I don't know. I actually kind of agree because you can lump the protests and the riots together by calling it unrest and still call it riots when they're explicitly riots. Now, we're entering in the final stretch for the presidential debate. Donald Trump is up on stage. He's saying, stand back and stand by. And the whole media erupts, the proud boys. And you've got ongoing riots. You've got threats of more violence and more

riots over the nomination and potential or likely confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett. Plus, the election is going to be absolute chaos. So you know what? I think for once, y'all have listened to me talk way too much because we have right now the DC Riot Squad. And I'll just let you guys introduce yourselves. So you go here. All right. Thank you. I'm Shelby Talcott. I work for The Daily Caller. I'm a media reporter and field correspondent. So we've been out on the ground covering all these riots and protests, whatever you choose to call them. All the unrest this year and we'll continue to do so. So all three of you have been everywhere, every single one of these major events. You guys want to introduce yourselves? Yeah. So I'm Horry Ventura, a field reporter with The Daily Caller. Same thing as kind of Shelby, you know, we've been covering the civil arrests. I could actually call Shelby my partner in crime now, officially. So yeah, just been

covering the civil unrest, you know, been on the field kind of, you know, providing the audience a real kind of an in-depth look at the riots. You know, most of the time when you're watching the news, they'll stay out there till like 7, 8 p.m. and then they'll go, you know, reporters go right back to their hotel and then you don't see what happens after that. So I think a really good thing that we've done at The Caller is we've been able to provide you guys like the full story, you know, from the daytime, from, you know, after 8 into the late hours, like 2 a. So I think we've done a really good job. And so far, it seems like Americans are really appreciating the coverage. And you both got arrested. Yes. Yeah. And then but Richie, you're here too. So we're fighting over a microphone right now. Because I wasn't arrested,

though. You weren't arrested. Yeah, I was not just these two. I'm Richie McGinnis. I'm the chief video director at the Daily Caller. And yeah, basically, when all this stuff started, Jorge and Shelby were in D.C. I was actually in New York. And once all of the unrest started around the country, as the video director, I saw a real opportunity for our team to actually go to these protests and cover them authentically. You know, tell the full story, you know, talk to the protesters, the rioters, law enforcement, and also the people who are cleaning up the community the day afterwards. So really trying to tell the full story. Aren't you the guy who gave first aid to that dude in Kenosha?

I am. That's crazy, dude. Wow. So even before we started, you guys were about to get ready. You're about to get into these stories. And I'm like, stop telling me stories until we turn the camera on. so look i i used to go on the ground for all this stuff and it's escalated it's i i was in i was in a couple places where there were you know active gunshots and stuff you guys have been all over the place as it's been going on for months and it's likely

going to get crazier so we're we'll talk all about this i'm just going to throw it to you guys and we'll get started with you know wherever you want. We've got some news relative to Donald Trump and Proud Boys. Vice is apparently issuing a statement. It's kind of funny. But before we get into all that, make sure you smash the like button, subscribe.

We do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m. And yeah, hang out. We're just going to talk about it. We got a bunch of, we got a big crew here. But I guess I'll put it this way, man. I got really angry today when I was reading about all of these stories that are desperate

to claim Donald Trump refuses to denounce white supremacy. And so they do this clever trick where they're like, Donald Trump refuses to denounce white supremacy. Donald Trump tells Proud Boys stand back and stand by, creating like this manipulation in media where they're trying to make you think the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group. And so what I always say is like, look, man, the Proud Boys are a lot of things and you can criticize them, but they're not a white supremacist group. The media is desperate to play that up. So the first thing I want to ask, as the leftist narrative and the media narrative tends to be, that it's actually right wing militias and right wing

groups that are starting all the violence. Now, look, I got to be honest, I've only for the most part watched your videos to get a sense of what's going on in the ground. So let's hear it from you guys. Is it really right wing groups that are secretly starting all the riots? No. And I think a really good example of this, actually, a New York Times article just came out. I think it was today. And a photographer, I believe it was, wanted to go undercover to confirm that right-wing militias and extremists were starting this violence. And he actually found the exact opposite. They published that? Yes. Wow.

Yeah, it came out today. And I think we've seen that, too. You know, you look at Portland, you look at Seattle, you look at some of these other areas that we've been to, and it is very clearly not right wing militias starting the violence. I mean, all you have to do is go out there later than 9 p.m., 10 p.m. and see it for yourself and talk to these people. They're definitely not pro-Trump. They're definitely, you know, it's absurd to imply that. Like, it's crazy to me that you guys can pump out hours of videos every time you go to these places. But then you have low information, I guess, I call them low information culture war belligerents.

There are people who are online screaming, like, we're right, it's actually right wingers doing it and i'm like the only videos i see are like leftist black bloc people and black lives matter going around throwing bricks and starting fires yet for some reason you see all these people on twitter i wonder if it's just they know they're lying and they have to because i mean if they admitted what was really going on with left-wing violence they lose yeah i think i think it's a mistake it's like i think when people see an image of someone in like militia gear they just automatically assume they're like a trumper or on the right and like shelby was saying and actually i was kind of even shocked myself when we actually interviewed these people these people are actually on the side of the protesters they're not they're not

even on the right at all you mean like the boogaloo boys yeah yeah so a lot of a lot of these folks are not even you know don't even consider themselves like republicans a lot of these folks consider themselves like libertarians and kind of want to like uh not i don't want to say overthrow the system but obviously want less laws and stuff like that so that's one thing that you know me and shelby kind of learned on the ground um you know covering the stuff and you know different cities too but i mean that's like that's referencing these instances where there have been boogaloo boys. I mean, for the most part, it's just black block far left people.

Right. Like most of the places you've been to. Yeah. I mean, and Richie and I went to Seattle for Chaz, the autonomous zone. And that was definitely not right wing people, I would say. But, you know, everyone had guns there and and everyone it was yeah upon first impression maybe you think that because of what i you know people would assume about each side but it that's it's just a false narrative i mean didn't they pump like hundreds of rounds into a pickup truck and killed two kids or no they one of them died yeah there were there were three shootings i believe in chas at different times and uh did two kids die two people died it was two kids yeah yeah and then even the other the

the well you know reporting in seattle um you know a lot of these to get into chas they had like arm security and then you know while we were there i was actually able to get one to did a quick interview with me he wouldn't do it on camera but i was like who's who's responsible for this stuff and they're like oh we're with a john brown gun club that was the first time i've ever heard i'm like the john brown gun club that's that's like a left-wing militia and it's a lovely militia so right there i was like okay you know these guys are you know about the second amendment stuff when obviously when it comes to them but it was that was the very first time i've ever heard anything about that then i've heard you know that name john brown gun club you

know pop up multiple times after our trip in Seattle. That's crazy that they would take the name John Brown Gun Club, and then now it's associated with Marxists and communists or whatever. You wanted to jump in, Richie? Yeah, I mean, actually, to be fair, though, while we were in the Chaz, Shelby and I did film a video of a couple of Proud Boys, four Proud Boys beating up a guy pretty badly. Really? Why were they there? Well, basically, we were covering these folks who are bringing in a flag and they oh yeah that's right so their security were they were the proud boys and after the flag bearers left i basically said to shel like shelby and i were like well the proud boys are still here and as they were on their

way out an individual went up and we were a little ways, so we didn't see the initial confrontation that caused it. But we did run up right as the brawling was starting. And you can see the video on Twitter. It's pretty brutal. It's a pretty brutal beating that gave the guy. Wow. It was like five versus one, six versus one. And actually, a couple of the Proud Boys were armed.

And at one point in the video, it looks like the guy who's getting beaten actually is leaning for the gun. And that's the kind of situation where I'm looking like, do have to form tackle shelby and are we gonna hit the deck here well so so she shakes her head as as the as the proud boys are basically the biggest story right now i i can't believe joe biden decided to shout that out at the bait because i i immediately got messages from friends they're like what's a proud boy and i kid you not some people think it's like an lgbtq thing like for for real like it was a joke from gavin mcginnis it was meant to be silly now it's like the thing that gets shouted out and now they're like the big story so uh let me ask you guys out of all of the riots you've been to you you mentioned you know in the chas shop whatever

there was an instance where the proud boys beat some dude pretty bad have you has there been anything else you've seen across the country? I mean, not like the – well, yeah, actually, just you guys can answer. Just leave it there. That, I think, is the only example that we've seen of the Proud Boys really inserting themselves into a situation like that. I mean, Richie went to a proud boys rally last weekend and i think the police did a pretty good job of keeping did it was there even like antifa there or well there were actually there was a counter protest which actually was much much larger by a

magnitude of at least five wow which was just a couple miles away but it was a really big park and so unlike there wasn't there was a kind of a Proud Boys rally downtown in August. Which got pretty violent. Which we weren't present for. But that was where Antifa and the Proud Boys. Whatever. The prayer group. They were clashing.

Was that Patriot Prayer? Or was that really Proud Boys? Patriot. Well, I don't really know exactly. It's hard to tell. It was run by the Patriot Prayer. But there were definitely some people in there who identified as Proud Boys. But this weekend, it was explicitly Proud Boys.

There were Patriot Prayer people there as well. But it was almost entirely peaceful. There was a very small little physical altercation where they were basically asking the press who they were on the way in, and they were forcing out some Antifa press. Oh, I see. Whatever that means.

I mean, obviously, there's no credentials that say Antifa press oh whatever that means i mean obviously that there's no credentials that say antifa press so i'm not sure the validity on that but there was a small confrontation but i'd say other than those two instances no we haven't seen anything or that was sorry that was that was even i would say like that was a proud boys rally so it wasn't an example of the proud boys you know going into a protest or a riot and trying to uh you know change the direction of things or even start a riot yeah yeah so i mean even the the main thing the reason why the problems are even coming up again is because the violence has gone so bad in these cities now this is not me saying this is from folks that i've interviewed in the problem is that what they've

told me is just you know the violence is getting so bad in the cities they feel like they have to come in there and like restore law and order or at least show other americans hey you know we stand with law and order we you know we want to we want you know this to be restored to how it was um so that's the big thing that i've been picking up is they feel like they got to come in and kind of you know just you know just restore something back um well they declared victory in portland so i i mean first of all we should probably describe what the proud boys are because like we're sitting here acting like i can straight up say nobody knows who the proud boys are joe biden brings them up and then i'm just operating under the assumption everybody yeah so uh they're western chauvinists they're basically a mixed bag of politics they're

nationalists and they have previously had violence as a core function of what their group was in terms of their degrees. Do you guys know all the degrees? I know the first. So basically, to join the Proud Boys, first, there's like you go to a chapter and you make an announcement that you're not going to apologize for creating the Western world, something to that effect. The second degree, I i think is that you get beat up they punch you while you name five breakfast cereals i it's because it was a joke it wasn't a real like you know what i mean like this is not an actual uh like gang or something whatever so then i don't know what the third one is it might be getting a tattoo or something but then i remember the fourth

degree like the highest rank or whatever was getting into a fight defending Western values. So there was actually a component where if they went out to Antifa. Like Antifa doesn't exist. It's just an idea. And then you get the Proud Boys and it's like, well, they're far right extremist, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, alt-right, white nationalist, like every name in the book. They endorse violence and they're hunting people down. In fact, they're responsible for all of the violence. Like I was reading CBS today and they said the Proud Boys, comma, a white supremacist group, comma. And I'm like, that's just ridiculous. Like you got to get your facts straight, man. And this is what really I hope it's clear to everybody listening. Like, if you guys have no problem saying, oh, man, the Proud Boys beat up some guy really bad. Like, you're giving us the honest take. You're not protecting any of these

people. But the reality is, I don't see far right groups starting riots for for the past 110 120 days but how is that that narrative exists for some reason you look at you i i think it's you know it's what the the media wants yeah for me it's like a huge media creation it like like i was like we were speaking before the the show started is for them even be brought up at a presidential debate to me was really disappointing because it's like we're in the middle of a pandemic. People are literally trying to put food on the table. People are wondering if we're getting a stimulus check. And we're talking about the problem is like, you know, like I said, if you're in Michigan or Pennsylvania and you're an undecided voter, if there are any undecided voters still, you're just wondering, like, how does this even affect my life? What's a problem?

Yeah. So I think, you know, for me, they're becoming just wait they got too much free cloud off the presidential debate they're becoming this huge media creation that's like that's not really playing a role in the in the election and you know for some reason it's they're like the number one it's joe biden topic yeah so yeah it's it's just donald trump is the answer and it's a mechanism by which this violence in our streets can be, you know, they can blame him, blame him. Yeah.

And with Antifa, that's obviously not the case. And so the downplaying that you see there, I mean, that's that's no surprise either. So that's that's my answer. Is it Antifa riding or is it Black Lives Matter? I think there's a mix for sure. I mean, certain cities that we've been to Kenosha there's more antifa more of an antifa presence really and in others like portland for example but even but they're flying black lives matter flags in portland yeah there's a combination there there as well but i'd say in terms of the organization of the tactics and stuff like that

like when we were in portland um you know the the blm activists would come up and take the stage right around sunset and they'd say i'm not going near that fence you know i the BLM activists would come up and take the stage right around sunset. And they'd say, I'm not going near that fence. You know, I'm just I'm here to demonstrate. And when we come in near that fence and they come out and when we're violent and we bring them here, then that defeats the whole purpose of what we're doing. So we saw a lot of that. And then, you know, the Antifa folks come out at 12 a.m. when all the cable news, you know, they're no longer live and there's no more correspondence out there and it's no longer a party like atmosphere. I'll just leave it at that. You know, I can rag on the media forever.

It's crazy how you guys, you're literally just there the whole time, be it through any one of these riots or particularly like the more severe, crazy ones like Kenosha and the news crews, they're gone. I'm curious to people listening. Have any have you ever thought about the fact that when you see one of these Twitter videos, there's no news crews anywhere? Yeah, I don't know. What do you guys think?

Like, you're the only ones down there. I think part of it is because the media is a really like these protesters and writers do not like the media. So if you come in with a big camera and a legitimate crew, the chances that you get forcibly pushed out are high. We've seen it multiple times before. our cell phones and try to be as, you know, discreet as possible because they don't, they don't want media there. Right. Right. And, and the difference is that a lot of these outlets will say, okay, you know what? It's too dangerous. Let's just leave.

But it's part of the story. And I think that's, that's the other issue I have with a lot of people in the media is that they say that, you know, conservatives are are overblowing the violence. But when it's happening night after night in multiple cities, it's part of the story. And then, you know, even on my very first night, you know, ever actually reporting for Daily Caller on the job, I believe it was that it was like May 29th and the White House goes on lockdown. And it was like I believe it was like 12 15 i remember it and i uh our producer sean you know he messaged me and says hey we need a reporter on the ground he's like would you go i know you're you know you just started i was like i was like i'll get an uber

right now and as soon as i got to the ground at lafayette you know square it was it was you know hectic the the crowd was was going crazy and you know i was setting up my phone on this like little cell phone tripod and as i'm setting it up i could hear uh leland rett from fox news you know getting ready to do his live shot and he as soon as he says i'm leland rett with fox news you could just hear the whole crowd say fox news and then that's when they all go you know to attack him they like stole his mic they threw it back at him and then this is my very first time ever reporting for the daily caller so i was like i just turned my phone on i hit record and then i started doing like some narration and you know leland was able to make it to the police and i just posted it on twitter and i think like an hour or two later the clip

was at like 200k views wow and then i then the next morning i woke up to like you know fox playing it tucker wanted it but right there it that was my first experience saying, wait, this game is different now. Because I went to school where I majored in broadcast journalism, like the old school style where when you go report a story, you dress nice. You look good. Your hair is combed over. And you talk like this. And you talk like this. I'm George Richard, a Lafayette part.

And I learned really quick. I'm like, you know what? This is going to be a different style of journalism that I was taught of the whole dressing nice. We're going to have to adapt. And right there at that first night, how, like Shelby said, is we kind of learned like, hey, we can't we can't approach this, you know, how we used to. Aren't you mad that you wasted all that money? Yes. You just go out there with a cell phone and like Tucker Carlson's like, let me run it.

Man, it's was that was that that fateful day where Trump did the photo op? No, that was a few days before that. Oh, okay. The lockdown happened later? Yeah. Yeah. So seeing Leland Wright get attacked was pretty crazy. And I believe about two or three weeks after that, Shelby actually got attacked.

And we were reporting on Bill and Plaza. Shelby, you want to speak about that experience? So it was sort of a tense situation there was a line of police and then a line of protesters or riders i i don't know if had it if unrest people whatever you call it unrest yeah unresters um and yeah i don't know how you know. Perfect. And a group came with shields and they were all moving to the front of the line so that the police had shields and they had shields. And so naturally I roamed over and started to film and a group of girls accused me of being an undercover cop. And I was like, I'm not not pretty sure i'm not an undercover cop um but they didn't believe me and and i one or two protesters were actually trying to um calm the situation down i showed them like my bio i showed them you know my twitter to show them you know who i was and one of them was

like yeah okay uh she is who she says she is and they're like delete the footage um stop filming and i you know am a irish catholic like short-tempered like yeah you know if you tell me to do something i'm probably just gonna do the exact opposite so i well i stayed because it was sort of i also knew that a lot of media will just leave. And I feel like that's really wrong. And you can't let you know, this is my job and you can't be bullied into something. And so they started pushing me around, shoving me. One of the girls grabbed my phone.

She was on the ground like with her. I think one of my coworkers was like prying her fingers off of my phone. And and I got shoved into the police line, actually. And the police pulled me through. um like with her i think one of my co-workers was like prying her fingers off of my phone and and i got shoved into the police line actually and the police pulled me through wow and then they handcuffed me oh you guys have like special phones when you go down that like nope this is my only phone that's why i fought for like i was not letting go of this phone i was like this is this is my baby you know you you definitely got to get like a burner a second phone yeah something you can trash like a cheapo android because um basically that you know you want to

start real quick yeah well yeah sorry i gotta tell this story from my perspective because um shelby and i were right there on the police lines things were kind of settled down actually the police had pushed everybody out of the area and they were set up. And so there were just two lines of protesters, unresters, and I'm actually negotiating a content deal, trying to keep everybody employed. And Shelby's like, hey, I'm going to go over there with Matt and Vince. And I'm like, oh, yeah, you're good okay cool and i'm on the phone and i just i hear all this yelling and i turn and i just see shelby behind police lines handcuffed just screaming right and i was like uh yeah i think i gotta go i remember that

i think there's a video of you like getting cuffed right yeah and people were freaking out like why are they handcuffing her no that was the second time we got arrested no no no i remember i remember saying like it was bs that you got handcuffed because oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but then you guys got arrested yeah recently last and so my initial reaction to you guys getting arrested so uh just like uh well yeah i'll just start i'll just start from the beginning when i heard that you guys got arrested i saw a bunch of people on twitter tweeting like this is bs they're arresting journalists and i gotta be honest i was laughing you know why because this happens all the time journalists get arrested they get shoved by cops like i've got friends who are reporting in portland and they're standing

inside where the cop will come and shove them it happens it does and all of a sudden now to see people who normally have never tweeted about it like sounding just like these other left-wing journalists it's a legitimate. I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. I'm saying like now we're seeing conservatives be like, whoa. And then my reaction was like, you know what, man? Look, it's chaotic. You got Antifa pretending to be press.

And then the cops are like, there's a big crowd in front of me. I have no idea who you are. Everybody's getting arrested. And I've been in a situation. But when your guys's boss called them up and said yeah they're reporters and the police refused to cut you loose that's when i was like now that's some bs yeah you can make a mistake and i'm willing to be like well fine mistakes happen but i don't know you guys want to tell a story about what went down when

you got arrested covering the antifa riots yeah well i think shelby should start because her her starting point is a little bit more interesting than mine because she was like a block away from the the police shooting right shelby yeah so uh well the earlier in that night uh two police officers had been shot this is louisville in louisville um and and the police shooting happened i want to say a mile or so away from the protest area, which is where we were ultimately arrested. And so I was near the hospital. I had just recorded the chief of police had done an update. You know, the two officers were alive and one was in surgery. And then I headed back to the protest area and it was you know after curfew but press are exempt from the curfew and exempt from unlawful assemblies because you know it's it's

news and this is our job and uh there was a really long line of police officers and sort of a scattered protester crowd and the police were telling them to disperse. And after, I want to say, 10, 15 minutes, they did appear to be leaving. They roamed down the block and some of them went left, some of them went right, and that's when the police just came from all sides. And I just started recording and apparently one of the police officers said

that we were running from the police. And I have a video of me literally just standing, walking around in a circle. Like, police are corralling everyone in. The kettle. Yeah, the kettle. And then we were told to get on the ground. And I recorded that, too. So I got on the ground.

They were like, put your... Wait. Real quick. She got a watermark on the video as she was getting arrested. I did. So that's somebody you want working for you. I was told that we have to have watermarks on our videos. So I you know, I in the video, you can see I'm saying, you know, we're press.

We're press. And we the the first big issue was that we didn't have press credentials on us. And so I knew that we were likely going to be taken in. But I also knew or I assumed because I had already told my boss and everyone who worked at the caller, I knew that they were calling already to get us out. And so I assumed we were not even going to be processed because it was very clear, like Jeff, my editor in chief, you know, provided ample evidence that we were who we said we were. And I ended up getting processed, getting charged with two misdemeanors,

unlawful assembly and failure to disperse. And I was held for 16 hours. And then you got arrested at the same time, the same criminal? Yeah, so I got arrested with Shelby. We ended up getting split. My arresting officer was like he actually believed that i was pressed like i had like a little press thing on me and he was like at least trying he was at least trying to talk to his officers on what to do with me but he at the end of the day you know

it wasn't his call and then we get into the um until like we're about to get processed we're like chained up with everyone and then like a sergeant or like a chief like a higher up comes into that that section and says you know he he yells my name, Jorge Ventura. And I said, you know, I raised my hand and he brought me over. He says, hey, I'm on the phone with your editor in chief. You are accredited media, Jorge Ventura, and your partner. You know, he says Shelby's name. And he says, just hold on one sec.

So when he walks back. So for me, I was already doing like a celebration dance. I'm like, woo! I'm getting out. Yeah, we're out. I'm like, I was trying to find dance. I'm like, woo! I'm getting out. Yeah, we're out. I'm like, I was trying to find a show. I'm like, we're out of here. This is awesome.

He then literally just comes back and was like, hey, we're going to charge you two misdemeanors. You're going to stay a night in jail. We give you, you know, several attempts to leave the unlawful assembly and you didn't. And I was just like. What are the misdemeanors? You guys have the same ones? No. Yeah, mine was like local county ordinance and then uh you know

failure to disperse and then mine is uh unlawful assembly and failure to disperse yeah so for a sec so i'm the worst criminal yes so it was it was it sucked for me because actually i got the high of thinking we're gonna escape he just doubled down a third a third reporter uh drew hernandez was also arrested. And I had been already at this point when I saw him come through, I had been chained. They had us chained up literally like dogs. It was... Like around the neck?

No. What does that mean? There was a chain link line with like multiple handcuffs and we were all just handcuffed next to each other on the same chain for like two and a half hours you know um and drew walked by and mouthed to me that someone was on the phone so he must have been right next to jorge and and so i assumed at that point that i was getting released. So then and shortly after, the female officer who had arrested me came and and uncuffed me. And and two girls next to me started cursing at me, asking me, you know, white privilege. Why? Who am I? And they were white.

But, you know, who am I? Why am I being why am I being taken away? And I thought I was getting released so i was just like i'm a reporter and they went crazy and then i ended up being in the cell with one of them which made me nervous yeah but i can only imagine being chained to those people is like the scene from dumb and dumber where i don't know have you seen this am i too old i've seen it where yeah like the dude's in the middle of uh jim carrey and jeff danielson they're going like screaming in his ears man i could i could it was a mixed bag there were some girls crying some girls were just sitting there like this is

what's happening some girls were very angry but every time one of the girls moved we'd all move because we were all handcuffed together and the girl who was – they ran out of handcuffs. So they started handcuffing us like – I was zip-tied and handcuffed with one handcuff. Oh, wow. And the girl behind me was using the other handcuff and she was like six inches taller than me. So my like shoulder was like – it was – yeah. Oh, man. So how many of the men were crying in your cell?

Well, no men were crying in mine. Well know well hold on that's weird were you crying men and women are you know i had oh but i was in there with you know small cell one bathroom with with 40 men yeah so i got wait wait wait were you chained together well we were be at at first then they were going to sell but before you know when we even were chained up i still had my phone so i was like oh nice i was like taking pictures and like using my phone and i would look at children she was just like you know were you like in the same holding cell like so when first before they processed everyone they arrested over 100 people that night so they were like a mess so we were like there was one line of people chained up that were females another line

were females another line were females another line of men and then once we got processed we went into holding cells and that was separated my holding cell was like off in a corner so we couldn't even see the men i think you you guys were across from another female holding cell um was anybody singing oh yes actually i knew it at one point at one point there was one um nurse who was kind of nice to us and and they named her miss jackson and they started doing the i'm sorry i'm not gonna sing for people you know yeah and then at another time they started screaming blm chants like you can't stop the revolution and then they decided to stop because they didn't want to be charged

with inciting a riot inside a jail oh wow yeah i don't know if that's a thing but they were like we should probably yeah well i don't know if that's it but i know singing is a thing like they always sing and i would just be like look man i've been uh i've been arrested i think i can off the top of my head i can remember two incidents uh two instances but i've never been processed so i was in St. Louis, I got arrested. And this is really, really annoying to me that there's like, even there's like, it doesn't matter what political faction people are involved in. They don't understand what arrest means. So I literally an officer say you are under arrest, cuff me, sit me down.

And then half an hour later, you have press credentials, pull up my wallet, take a look, uncuff me and say, get out. That's an arrest. It's not detained, detained. There's different, there's different legal, uh, there's legal distinctions there. And then I was in DC when, uh, they surrounded this whole group of like 250 people. And I was standing on the sidewalk and there was like these stair set. It was like two or three stairs. This was the J-20 rioting in Washington, D.C. for Trump's inauguration. And all of these people just like run full speed past the cops. They're like knocking cops down. Cops are spraying everybody. And I just like back off. And that was the mistake. The cops surround everybody in this little space that I was in. And so the first thing I did was I went to the far edge of where the police like were

lined up. So I was like literally standing next to the cop and staying away from the people screaming. And then I just asked one guy for a supervisor and they like wouldn't really give me any attention because they're like standing with their batons out. And then someone like finally, one of the cops nods and then like, you know, I guess whisper somebody, the lieutenant comes over and I was like, I'm holding my press card. I just want to let you know i'm press and he goes don't care everybody here is you're you're under arrest you are not free to go and that's just what's happening and i was like dude dude i know i know just letting you know that's all that's all i'm saying and so then finally he comes back over and that there was like a news crew like it was like an nbc crew and they had a

camera and he and he looked at him and he you know fingered you know come over here and then the cops move out of the way and then i immediately like pop up behind him and i hold up my card and the guy looks at me and he fans me over and then he was like show me your press cards and then i did and they pulled out a small handful of the journalists a couple of the journalists that were in there were screaming at the top of their lungs at the cops you mother effer i'm effing press what gives you the right they got arrested i was sitting there like with my hands up just like chilling and i was like you know the cop that was next to me was like agitated and looking and out and whenever i was doing something i'd let him know

about i'm just gonna go my background my cell phone just want you to know he's like like nods because he doesn't know what these people are doing so i'm like trying to be very you know careful of that but so i've never been i say this because I've never been actually brought down to the station with these people. And I'm eternally grateful because I'll tell you what. I've been arrested for skateboarding before, and I got charged. They wanted to get me on a felony, which is just ridiculous over the top. He was riding his skateboard and down on Chicago, so we're going to throw the book at him. Ultimately, the judge got really angry because they ended up giving me a misdemeanor.

But the judge got super angry when he found out. But so I'm sitting when I got arrested, I got put in this concrete block. The lights are on full blast. There's like no water. It's just you go in a room and there's a concrete block to sit on. And the only thing I could hear was some guy wailing who was like probably mentally, mentally unwell. I can deal with all that.

I can absolutely I can sit down there. I can fold my legs and I can, you know, do some some Zen meditation or whatever and just zone out and be like, I can sit through this. I can endure. But I tell you what, man, if you put a couple hundred like Antifa leftists singing Kumbaya, I'd probably bash my skull against the wall. That'd be the end. I will say I think that I did much better with these people in with me granted they didn't know where i worked because i was genuinely afraid of saying where i worked so they asked me and i said i was a freelancer um and then they asked me who i was freelancing for and i said i'm just freelancing for free yeah you just say well we we just we just sell it afterwards yeah so it could be anybody because

it is a gent like we have been targeted and, and that's, like, a genuine concern. And I think that was a really big concern that the caller expressed to the police department, and it didn't matter. So just for everybody who's listening, Daily Caller, that's Tucker Carlson's outlet, right? Yeah. Is he still involved, or he, like, stepped down? He sold his shares to Neil Patel, so. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But it's still associated with, like, you know, he shares to um neil patel so oh interesting yeah but it's still associated yes you know he founded it i guess is that what it is yeah neil patel is tucker's carl college roommate oh that's weird they founded it together in 2010 okay that's not

weird yeah i was like selling your company to your college roommate that's like an interesting oh wait they started together because they're friends that i get yeah but uh i will say actually um i think that louisville was um more blm focused than antifa focus that was one of the cities um you know compared to portland i would say is more antifa focused so it was the message was a lot clearer in louisville than in some other cities where i feel like they're just destroying things for no reason. You know what I mean? Yeah. And there wasn't as much destruction in Louisville as I thought.

And actually, my cellmates agreed with me. They were like, you know, we thought the city was going to burn. And there were things broken into. But it wasn't like Minneapolis. It wasn't kenosha or minneapolis um but i will say that some of these some of the people that were in there definitely deserve to be in there i think one of them broke a police officer's hand whoa well she said she didn't but i don't know uh but some of them uh you know seemed like they really were against you know violent protests they were um you know, seemed like they really were against, you know, violent protests. They were, you know, more for peaceful stuff. And they did have, you know, legitimate stories and messages

to share. So that was interesting because it was it sort of opened up my eyes to a different side of the protests that you don't see as much and they don't really give you the ability to see because they don't like media right exactly yep um and it also opened my eyes to just how bad jail is would not recommend yeah um like i didn't realize you know if you don't always get water when you want water like the toilet was right by the window where actual inmates could like watch us and luckily we devised a plan we had a blanket and anytime someone would need to pee they multiple people would come up that's a very common thing for the people when they're when protesters get arrested yeah these techniques yeah so if you're lucky enough to be a journalist getting arrested with one of the organizers they they know exactly how to work everything?

We had one or two organizers in our cell with us, and it was eye-opening. I mean, horrible, and I almost lost my mind. I'm serious. Not knowing the time for 16 hours, it messes with you. And the fact that I knew that they knew that I was press and I was still not being released, I thought was a real failure in the justice system, whoever it was that was allowed to release us. I was really disappointed.

Do you think you're stronger now having experienced it? Yes, I think. And I think I have different. It's, again, opened up a whole different sort of aspects of these protests of the justice system um that i have i've never seen before do you guys consider yourselves to be conservatives i would say i'm more i mean i'm trying to just provide like unbiased news like i've never voted before i still haven't voted like i'm not registered. Not even political. Yeah, I'm not really political. What would you say, Shelby?

Yeah, I think that's interesting because people just assume that we're uber conservative because of who we're associated with. I would say none of us are really. I mean, I know Richie's politics. Richie voted for it. You can go ahead and say it. He's going to say it. Well, yeah, I did. I voted for Barack Obama.

Oh. I voted for Obama the first time. You voted for barack obama oh people i voted for obama the first time you vote for the second time i did oh wow i i didn't regret the first time but you know i was 18 years old i just moved to washington dc but the second time yeah i do i definitely regret it but yeah i think just i'm more of an anti-establishmentarian you know i i saw the bush years i saw saw the Clinton years growing up. And I really saw a problem with both sides of the establishment. And Barack Obama, he did run on a platform of hope and change. It's just that once he got into office, clearly he was kind of sucked into that establishment.

So I would consider myself an anti-establishmentarian. I would. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. No, no, no. Go ahead. Yeah. I would say, I mean i before i started

this i started uh as a journalist in 2019 and i um before that i played professional tennis for four years and before that i you know played d1 at university of iowa so i was sports and i was hardly even in america so i had no idea what was going on in American politics. So I didn't grow up being actually when I first got my job, my my aunt, we call her Girl Kelly. She'll be happy. Gave her a shout out. But we she was shocked that I was going into politics.

And and I but I think that has allowed me to really see both sides. Like, I genuinely do feel like I can understand both sides of the spectrum. And therefore, I I do try really hard in my reporting. You know, if it's peaceful, it's peaceful. Some of these people have legitimate things. I think I think a lot of what we hear is is from the protesters and the unresters. There are real legitimate problems and to be solved the problem is when you have like if someone comes to me and says black lives

matter i'll be like absolutely like i don't know where do we go from there like what do you want to do you know if you tell me that somebody got shot and they shouldn't have let's talk about it because cops should not be executing people if it is like a murder if it's the instance where it's like a fight breaks out and someone's struggling with cops, like I don't know what we're supposed to do. You know what I mean? Like with Jacob Blake, for instance, like he was fighting with cops.

He had a knife and he was apparently, you know, stealing the woman's car. He wanted on a felony warrant and she was yelling, according to the lawyer, he's got my kids, he's got my keys. And so what's the cop supposed to, how's the cop supposed to respond to this guy who's wanted on a felony warrant doing these things?

It's a challenge. The problem I see is I got no problem sitting down with a Trump-supporting conservative who's like yelling, Blue Lives Matter, and we got to respect the cops. I'm going to be like, I absolutely agree. For a society to function, cops got to be able to make arrests. Even if sometimes they make mistakes, it can be really annoying, but you deal with the process after the fact. And you don't fight with them but then the other side is like burn it all down destroy you know the abolish police defund police and it's like it's it's it's so far removed from a reasonable approach

to how we deal with it you know what i mean yeah it's been it's just been a crazy situation i think for you know me and shelby or anyone doing this work like for me um like i was in sports journalism before i got it you know the whole political thing and then wait you're both sports yeah no like she played in the game i was more of the sidelined guy but like i didn't even know what a republican or democrat was to like 2018 to like fully switch then now that i started reporting on you know a lot of these protests and marches unrest unrest the unrestors um i'll have people from my hometown you know message me message me and be like why are you you know why are you portraying black lives matter the movement like this and i and i literally have to be like i didn't have i have no

idea it was like this i was on the ground i didn't know they were attacking press and like attacking business owners and doing this till i was on the ground you know like you know i'm not there's no narrative here we just literally we just hit record we upload it then everyone else you know gets to form their own opinion on the video i think that's a strength that we really have that the daily call that you can't really find in other places i do want to say just real quick though um i think that's what you touched on is really important that's why we all work at the caller which is people don't realize they just assume oh you work at the daily caller you'reer. You're like a conservative and you're Tucker Carlson, basically. And that's really not the case.

There's such a multitude of political ideologies of people who work at the Daily Caller. And the newsroom is really just like a place where everybody hashes that out. Any story that comes up in the news that's complicated or difficult, we're just talking about it with uncensored straight up. And when I worked at nbc news uh that was it was the opposite it was like a funeral totally yeah and shelby and i were talking about this because we fight all the time when we're on the road little fights though little fights but at nbc once a year the people who've been working together for 30 years and they've kept

it all bottled up for 30 years pops off and it's just a meltdown so like i think i scared some of the rioters in kenosha i started screaming at richie in public yeah at like midnight over what he wanted me to follow him around like a little puppy dog because he was nervous because i'm a woman i got myself in trouble actually and then he got himself yeah so. So when you mentioned you wouldn't recommend it, I agree. Don't go to jail. Yes. But there is something to, like, we're too comfortable. You know, like, young people in this country don't understand how bad things could be.

And that includes many of these protesters who are like, burn it all down, defund this, abolish this. And I don't mean all of them, because I know like there are regular people who just are angry about police brutality and stuff, though I think they're being manipulated for sure. These people have never experienced real hardship. That's why it's funny to me when like, you mentioned that some of the women are crying and some of them are just like, well, this is what's happening. Yeah, you can. I'd be willing to bet the women who are like, this is what's happening, are the you can. I'd be willing to bet the women who are like, this is what's happening are the people who have actually experienced something hard and they and they've been toughened up and they understand you're going to be OK. You don't like you don't need to worry about this stuff. So I remember when, you know, every every time I've been arrested more than once, I just like, all right, you know, I'm not going to die in a jail cell.

I'm not going to it's going to be a day or something. It's and then, a day or something. And then nothing ends up happening. It's just I got some bunk arrests skateboarding. They don't like skateboarders. But there are many circumstances I've been in where you can clearly tell people who are wads of cookie dough, who are marshmallows, and the people who have actually experienced real hardship. So it's really great i did uh i don't know have you guys have done any hostile environment training no this is well unless you

count like growing up with my family where did you grow up in new york i'm one of five yeah i got solid during parents my mom is a prosecutor so you can imagine she used to tell us democracy stops at the front door oh man that's awesome so uh so i i had been covering civil unrest riots when i say civil unrest i mean like borderline revolution i mean that in a literal sense not this like we're not going to call protesters protest uh so i've covered protests unrest like actual revolution and rioting and so when i started working for the abc news company they were like everybody's got to have hostile environment training and I was like I should be

giving the training because I've been doing this for X many years and most of these people even the people who are doing the training don't have the most up to date understanding of the modern technology and what's going on and I got a whisper wink wink it's the insurance company dude like insurance company

wants all the reporters to have special training. But I tell you what, man, when we were doing the training, they paired me up with a former Marine, fresh out of the Marines, and they could not get us. So, like, the way these trainings work is, like, they have fake landmines. You know, so they put these things in the ground that are hidden, and when you step on it, it sprays, you know, ink or something. And they're like, oh, you got landmine.

And there are a bunch of scenarios where they try and get you. And it was a lot of fun. It's really fun. So, like, I got to participate as a local villager. And they do this thing where they have the news crew come in. And then that's all they do. And they tell us, you know, because, like, it's your turn to play the villagers. I pickpocketed people.

It was amazing. I was, like, picking their stuff. And they were us, you know, because like it's your turn to play the villagers. I pickpocketed people. It was amazing. I was like picking their stuff and they were panicking. But when I was there with the Marine, it was really amazing because we actually escaped their final terrorist scenario. So they did the scenario where our cart world are like your assignment now from the editor is to interview the leader of a terrorist organization. And we're going to go. Everything's been arranged. Your security is with you. And it was

really cool like the suv pulls up we hear gunshots and then like we see people on the ground me and the marine guy were gone like we were out of there and then we hear from a distance where'd you go and we're laughing and i'm like this guy gets it and then they and then but but it was so because the trainer guy goes you guys are dead And we started laughing and they're like, come back. And we came back and they were like, you you you got the terrorists killed you. And I was like, dude, we immediately both went for dead ground and we immediately serpentine through trees. We were gone and we know it because this guy, this guy knows the Marine dude knows better than I do. But I was like, we were we were laughing in the woods, hearing them them in the distance upset that we like beat their training.

That's amazing. So anyway, I bring that up just because like when you're on the ground – and you guys probably know this too. Like you can see when you see journalists or whatever which one of them has actually got experience and which ones are like the local desk reporter who was asked to go out and film this stuff. Because I'll tell you what, man. When I was in Ferguson, there's a couple of things I love. Two instances in Ferguson where gunshots are ringing out and I'm on the deck and then I look up and I see one of these local reporters going, are those fireworks?

And then one of my one of my favorite all time blunders is from CNN when they were in Ferguson and the gunshots go off and it's this woman and she goes, what? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And she's just like waving her arms and like, I'm like, stop standing there waving your arms. They're shooting bullets, get on the ground. And then she just like hobbles over like behind a building. And I'm like, when I was at the first, the first shots that went off when I was in Ferguson, I was standing by one of the shops in the parking lot and we heard we heard a shot and then i heard another shot and i immediately just dove like i'm not i'm like i like belly flop i put my hands down slid and i heard the whip crack over

my head the bullet hit the building so the like being on the ground and seeing these people who are sent out by local news like they have have no experience, no idea what to do. I'm not surprised. They're like, well, we got here at 7.50. We recorded our five-minute hit and let's go home. Good. You shouldn't be there. Yeah.

But then it is really weird that you see like especially with you guys in Kenosha because all the footage out of Kenosha, you don't see any reporters anywhere. It's just literally people running around in all this chaos, right? So let's – you guys want to talk about what went down in kenosha and your experience with that stuff yeah where do where do where do we begin this is a crazy story well one thing i wanted to kind of mention too tim is it's not also like we know when we're kenosha we're like obviously we're we're you know running around covering all the crazy stuff but also taking the time the next morning and like like, actually speaking to the business owners who were, like, affected. Right, right, right.

Even, because, like, when I was going down, I think I woke up at, like, 7.30, hit the streets by, like, 8, and was interviewing the business owners. I didn't even see local news, like, talking to these folks. And a lot of these folks, this is, like, their whole livelihood is destroyed, you know? And I think that's another big mistake

that news is not making, is, like, taking the time to tell the stories of the people who were like affected. It's like almost not news. Yeah. And it's been, I mean, insane. Like, I think when the night of the, I mean, you guys were actually right there. I think you guys should tell your side of your Kenosha story because you guys were in the midst of it.

The shooting happened the second night. The first night was when everything burned down so so the first night uh these people burned down i mean entire streets wow like to the ground um it was the probably the worst destruction i've seen covering yeah because we didn't see anything like that because they basically you know attacked that courthouse and then when they got back you know once once they got back there from the courouse, they just ran rapid on Kenosha. I've never seen anything like that. I remember just walking and just seeing like 10 people attacking the car dealership, setting cars on fire, going into stores.

It was like a free-for-all. There wasn't a police presence. You didn't even know where to turn. If you turned to the left, you had footage. If you turned to the right, there was something going on behind you. I mean, it was crazy. I think that's a good place to start the story at night of, though, because what happened was we all got pushed out from outside the courthouse around the fence,

and all the protesters were pushed out to the park and then a block beyond, which is where that car dealership was burned out that everybody saw on the first and second night. Massive car fires. But across the street from there, Shelby and I encountered some individuals who were working for that business who had power washers and they're trying to put out the car fires. That was on the second night. The shooting happened on the third night. So I went in to get Wi-Fi at the hotel and I saw on Twitter that there were armed individuals and you guys were still out there. And I saw that those videos and those photos

of the armed individuals in front of the same business that we had just seen the guy with the power washer the previous night because the fire department was nowhere to be seen. And so that's why I went out thinking, well, there's a story right there. Why are these armed individuals here? And that was actually, I arrived there 15 minutes before the shooting. And that's when I interviewed Kyle Rittenhouse. So it was just that short a period. What happened? Well, basically, I was just walking towards that business. And I saw at least three armed individuals on the ground and then like three up top as well.

And it was really dark up on the top of the building, which is a little bit intimidating when you know these guys are armed and you can't even really make out what they're holding or what they're doing. But I just said very loudly, are any of you guys willing to do an interview? Because, again, we're trying to interview the full story here. So not only the protesters, not only the rioters, the unrestors, the cops, but also the people who are, you know, they're whatever to defend the small business or whatever they were doing. I just wanted to find out. And Kyle volunteered himself and basically interviewed him for three minutes. And then he mentioned that he was a trained medic. He mentioned that he was there to protect the small business that he was standing in front of. And then he said,

with one other armed individual, he said, we're going to go out and see if any of the protesters who have just been cleared out need medical attention. Do you want to come with us? And this is all on the Internet. You can see it all of the video that I recorded. So he said he told you he was going to go provide medical assistance to protesters. And he asked you to come with him. Correct. And that's when we started walking in the direction of where the shooting eventually took place.

And actually, I was trying to find Shelby at the time as well. She was just about a block away. No. That's where? No. But when you hang up the phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Don't curse. Yeah. Because I'm getting to that part of the story. Good point. Good point. You can curse. Thank you. Thank you.

There's no hard rules. So I was walking with them. And as we were walking, he's shouting, medical. Anyone need medical? And that was drawing a lot of attention just in general. Young kid with an AR-15 shouting at a riot. That doesn't sound smart, dude. And in hindsight, it wasn't very smart to walk along with him.

But, you know, I basically was wondering what these people, why they were mad at him, why they were yelling at him as he was asking if anybody needed medical. And actually four individuals shouted something like, we remember you from earlier. And that's actually when I parted ways with him after the interview because I wanted to get their story. I wanted to hear why they were mad at Kyle. And so I walked over to those individuals. And you can see in the video, it's this guy with like bright yellow pants. And they were not happy about me recording. So I turned my phone off.

I went with my go-to of, you know, pulling out a white claw to diffuse the situation and offering it up. And, uh, I talked with them for a couple of minutes and just asked them, you know, why they were mad. They mentioned a confrontation with him, uh, when they were jumping on some cars earlier, but clearly they recognized him from earlier and they were, they were very mad about it. And the only thing that stuck out to me was that Kyle, you know, you can see on the video actually as I'm walking behind him, he kind of looks at them, smiles and walks away. And I don't know if we've been to enough of these for me to know, for us to know that that stuff can descend into chaos pretty quickly.

Yeah. And that's actually after I finished speaking with them is when I saw Kyle running with fire extinguisher in one hand and the gun in the other. And so I saw him running i wanted to know why is he running what's he running with a fire extinguisher with a fire extinguisher what's going on here so actually that's when i got on the phone with shelby i started jogging after him and that's the kind of thing where you're like okay some kind of new something is about to go down. Said, Shelby, where are you? And we were talking, we were trying to triangulate where we were in relation to each other. And that's right as I caught up to Rittenhouse, I was yards back from where he was stopped

in the road. And that's when some yelling started. And I told Shelby, oh, swear word, I got to go. And that's immediately when Rosenbaum started to pursue Rittenhouse. And you can see on the video what happened from there, but basically Rittenhouse sees him advancing and does a juke and runs into the direction of the car lot

where the shooting eventually took place. And me being a dumb idiot who lectured Shelby about not getting into unsafe situations ran after Rosenbaum, who was running after Rittenhouse. And that's when there was a pop that went off. That was a gunshot. Well, at the time, there were so many fireworks and flashbangs going off that it wasn't clear to me what it was at the time.

But what was clear is that the moment that went off, Kyle stops and turns around. And we were both trailing him. And at that point, he had his gun pointed 45 degrees at the ground. And Rosenbaum was advancing at him still. And there wasn't much distance. So it was only a matter of a second or two from when he stopped to when Rosenbaum was on top of him. And that's when basically Rosenbaum lunged for the front portion of Rittenhouse's gun.

He shouted something that i also can't say uh without swearing but you can see on the video what he said right before he lunged and did he did he make physical contact with right now they were extremely extremely close but he didn't and rittenhouse actually dodged with the rifle around his lunge wow and i only know that because my focus the moment that he turned around went onto the barrel of his gun you know because i realized that i was now in the crossfire of whatever was about to go down and actually when he swung the rifle to his left my right my first instinct was to go to my left but i realized rosen that's where rosenbaum was and that his rifle was going to

return to there so i actually stepped in the direction where he swung it and that his rifle was going to return to there. So I actually stepped in the direction where he swung it. Oh, dude. And that's, you know, basically right as he swung it back is when Rosenbaum was falling forward. He fired what I thought were three or four shots. It was really rapid. Yeah. But it looks like on the video it was four. And that's when Rosenbaum collapsed to the ground. And you can actually hear more pops after that.

And then you pulled your shirt off. Well, the crazy part is is that i didn't realize the night of is that uh after written house shoots it looked to me like he ran away and then i ran because there's other pops where rosenbaum was all was also behind a car and the shooting was going off the pops are coming from this side so i got behind the car i said like i'm gonna flip you over really slowly he was basically non-responsive but breathing not really breathing breathing I mean in the video you can hear it in the video exactly and that's actually I didn't realize until I saw the footage afterwards Rittenhouse

runs around and actually shows up at my side and I just saw a pair of legs next to me as I'm crouching over the body and I just said what, what are you doing? Call 911. Not realizing that it was the Rittenhouse. And I just saw his hand reach into his phone. And that's Shelby actually. Right after that, people started to arrive. Rittenhouse runs right past Shelby. And that's when you can see on the video is very chaotic. But basically, we were trying to find where the holes were how we could apply pressure to the wounds my dad was an er doc and so you know i just i don't think i think he probably had some critiques for how i handled it medically but once somebody said there's a hospital across the street it was clear to me that we weren't doing anything beneficial there and this guy had life-threatening wounds so it was literally right across the street and from the moment the shooting happened

to the moment that we got to the hospital because i've looked on my phone from the calls that i made when i got to the hospital that was about six minutes so we got him there very quickly you you loaded him into your car so i actually carried him across the street with a couple of other individuals and you can see on the video how chaotic it is actually as i'm loading him into the as we were running across this guy who worked at the hospital said load him to the suv it'll be quicker if we do it that way. Pops the tailgate and Shelby was right there as well. You can see her in the video. She's wearing my backpack. And that's actually, as we're loading him in, somebody was, I felt like something hit me, hitting me in the side of the head. I thought

I was getting bumped. And then somebody connected with the side of my face. Someone punched you. Someone punched me very hard. And it was only once he hit the side of my face that i realized it was a punch and i turned and gave like as i'm getting into the back of the car like a little brother kind of kick uh you know me on the middle of three boys so i'm pretty good at that and that's when the medic or the hospital uh employee pulled away and at that point rosenbaum was basically barely breathing and he had like a very very weak pulse and it was pretty clear that was why did you get punched you can see in the video right after the

shooting somebody says did you did you shoot him and I say what me F word no and so I think that just indicates to me that people were looking for who did it they were angry it was people were shouting

and i think whoever punched me thought that somehow i don't know that i was involved or whatever have you guys seen the video that written as his lawyer put out breaking down the whole night yeah so uh have you guys have you seen it so they identified uh the guy who fired first right so before what what triggered kyle to turn around they they they say this is the guy he's holding the gun and it at first people were reporting your time said he fired into the air but when you actually watch the video slowed down it doesn't look like he fired in the air looks like he was shooting at kyle or i'm presumably kyle but that there were i think three more shots not from kyle after he shot rbaum. And it was reported that one of the hits to Rosenbaum went in his back.

Yeah. Now, so my question is, you're there. Was this because Rosenbaum was spun around somehow? Or do you think maybe he got shot by somebody else? Based on what I saw, Rosenbaum was falling forward as he lunged. And I do remember the sensation of something going past my legs and it's not clear now looking afterwards whether that like when exactly that took place because all the shots were such rapid succession but with respect to where Rosenbaum was

hit as he was falling forwards it would make sense that actually he could have been hit there by Rittenhouse because he's falling forward and then his head sense that actually he could have been hit there by Rittenhouse. Because he was falling forward and then his head goes down. And for me, it was like one of those things like that in the movie Snatch. Like you always think, you know, like when you're like in a dangerous situation, you might die. You'll do something like a row. Like I kind of just did. But I mean, I had my eyes fixed on the barrel, but he fired so quickly that it was very difficult for me to determine where that rifle actually connected with his body.

Because they were so close. They almost like he fell like almost into him. Yeah. They were that close. So it was hard for me to tell specifically which shot went where. But the fact that he was falling forward like that and Rittenhouse was shooting as he was falling down. Really? Yeah. I mean, you can see in the video, he fires that first shot, second shot. And I think just because of the momentum that Rosenbaum had that the moment that he got hit, that just, that momentum continued to carry him forward. And you can

see he landed right on his face. And so that's, that's consistent with the fact that he lunged for, for the front portion of the road. So I'll ask more about the other guys in Kenosha, but you guys were there. And I don't know to what extent you witnessed everything beforehand, but would you consider what Kyle did to be self-defense? I definitely can't comment on that because my role in this situation is I'm a witness. I see. All I can say is what I saw. Yeah.

And I saw Rosenbaum reach for the front portion of that gun. And I saw Rittenhouse dodge it and shoot. Now, I'm not going to comment on the laws in Wisconsin. Yeah. What constitutes self-defense. I'm not a lawyer. I'm a video director. Right. what you know constitutes self-defense i'm not a lawyer i'm a video director right but i saw what

i saw from very close range and like i said given how focused i was on where the rifle was going it was that was very very clear can you talk about the charges uh on kyle at all i think i can i. I can try to. I don't want to... I'm also... Because you're a witness. I don't want to... If it's too much,

we'll just... Well, just let me know. I'll let you know if I can't. Yeah. Well, so at this point then, you're at the hospital. So you didn't see any of the other stuff

with the other guys? I saw the guy who got shot in the bicep. I saw him come in immediately after I loaded uh rosenbaum onto the gurney i was covered in blood and i was actually preparing to go into the bathroom to rinse the blood off and that's when he came in with two police officers and they said we have a shooter we have another uh shooting victim we have another shooting victim and i looked at his

arm and i was like man like that's his bicep was gone it was gone i mean i'm sorry to be graphic for people that are listening but you can see in the video his the the the meat of his arm vaporize i'm not kidding like it turns into dust i cannot believe he didn't lose his bones were broken in there too i mean it was wow so did you guys see were you were you guys there when then kyle ran and like what happened next so i was right across the street during that whole thing so as soon as the shots ran out earlier you were talking about dumb people who like don't go to the ground yeah so i ran towards the gunshots oh my wow because i was genuinely worried that richie who is not just my co-worker, but my friend, was shot. And so I was like, I don't know what I would have done if he was shot.

But, you know, I needed to make sure that the team was OK. And as I was I ran across the street, I have I think I got video of it. Actually, Kyle's running right past me and there's people chasing him saying, you know, he's a shooter. Why'd you shoot him? And Kyle is sort of running, but then sometimes stopping and turning around and sort of like flailing his gun wildly. So I decided, you know, let's not chase after the guy with the flailing gun who people say just shot someone. Let's make sure the team's okay and everyone's okay so i ran towards where the first shooting victim was and that was this was all

took like 10 seconds yeah um and when i got there richie was just there was a guy on his back who he was shirtless right yeah and i was like oh my god like white guy shirtless on his back i had no idea who it was and then i saw another shirtless person i was like where the shirts go um helping him and i realized after a few seconds that it was richie and so i was like okay you know and at this point there was sort of a crowd gathering around body, which is never helpful when you're trying to move a body. So I stayed pretty close, like right behind a video of the whole thing. But at one point, I think as they were trying to get him down the driveway of the hospital, people weren't moving and i remember screaming like move but what are you doing like get out of the way this car can't drive um and it was so chaotic

and it just makes the situation so much worse and then i uh you know richie went to the hospital and i sort of was just roaming the street not the the, you know, like what just happened. And then more shots rang out. And at that point, I just dove behind a car with like two other random people. And as we're sitting there, firecrackers go off right behind us. And all three of us jumped so high in the air

because like, and this one guy, I remember just curses at nobody like who's who's throwing fireworks right now. Like, are you kidding me? And that those second round of gunshots we have happened it probably took total seven or eight minutes maybe less but police officers were down the street because they had been out all night pushing the protesters and the riders back and i just was shocked that it took them so long after the first round of gunshots to get there because that seems like a long time they're two blocks away there was a lot of confusion too because i was about three blocks and the shots go off and i was with another reporter named kaylin i was just looking i said we're running to the hotel so we ran to the hotel and i looked at ken said let's wait 20 minutes and let's get

back on the scene so when you heard the first shots you went to the hotel i just ran because i was already headed i was already headed that way you know when i heard it we ran even like i said there's so much confusion because so much so much chaos going on even elijah schaefer texts me another reporter and he says stay in the hotel people are doing drive-by shootings so at that time i look at ken like whoa so now we have people like drive-by shooting this is insane even killing's like what should we do said, let's wait like 15 minutes. And then we went back to the scene and we can actually still see like the casings on the ground. We were there right when the cops were doing like the whole investigation.

And then there was a witness. There was a couple of witnesses. I went to go speak with them. I went to go speak to them to get their story. And they also thought people were doing drive-by shooting. So at that time, I had no idea that richie was in the hospital i had no idea that like it was kyle the shoot because at that time i'm thinking okay it's multiple cars i'm hearing this from multiple people like elijah has already told me this

a witness and you know it was like till hours later shelby told me what really happened and i was just shocked you know because i was like what the heck my my boss was in the midst of it and um yeah i mean I couldn't believe it. I didn't find out what happened to Richie until about like 5, 6 in the morning. Is this, like, have you guys covered riots or anything before this year? I covered, like, I was covering because I was living in California. So, like, I was covering, like, marches and, like, protests. Like, the craziest stuff that I was covering was, like, right at the, right before I started coming with the call was I was covering, like, the reopened protests in California.

But nothing, I mean, there's nothing compared to this at all but you you are nodding richie well yeah i basically i started the collar in may of 17 and before that i was working as a video editor for mark levin so i was not on the ground at all but starting in may of 17 there were obviously there was unrest yeah plenty of it and so we've been covering that since the beginning but i think the difference here is that in this election year everything is being polarized and cast into one narrative box or another and so i think the vacuum that exists now in terms of people being unwilling to cover the protests honestly is much bigger than it was in the past. So when we were in DC, uh, it right after, you know, in DC after the inauguration

and then like Charlottesville and all that stuff, I think there was, there was no shortage of coverage of those events. And that's, hasn't been the case, uh, in the past six months. So I think that the, the opportunity that our team has to actually go there and really show what's happening is greater now because it's more important now than before. The risk is going up there. They're not letting people film. They're attacking people. That's also true.

And I think that that was not the case in protests leading up to this summer. They become incredibly aware of the fact that if crimes are perpetrated, all the people who are there who are oppressed are going to be the ones who get them in trouble. Yep. So they've known this for a long time, but they've just now like, it wasn't you,

when you go to one of these, uh, unrest, whatever you want to call it. And I do think it's fair to, to draw the distinction between a protest unrest and riot because unrest might have like some clashes with cops, but they're not burning things down. And a protest is like people waving little signs and singing kumbaya.

And then a riot is just wanton destruction and everything. But for the longest time, they would say, don't let anyone film because you'll get arrested. Use it as evidence. Now they really know. Now they've been active in organizing. But just to clarify too, is this like the first time you've been active in organizing but but uh just just to clarify too is this like the first time you've been covering riots and protests and stuff yeah i mean i when i traveled as a professional tennis player i um there was what year was it where the with the

taqsam square in istanbul oh that was uh 2013 yeah so I did go there because I was there. Oh, really? Maybe I saw you. But I was very much because I always wanted to do sort of this field correspondence. I studied journalism in college. And so when I would go to these places, if there was something interesting going on, I would go just more for myself, you know, just to check it out. And so I did do that. Um, but really these were my first, uh, I tried in 2019 when I first got to the collar and there was,

there were some issues because I was a female. Um, so I broke that barrier down and glass ceilings. Yeah. Depending on which country to go, there's definitely considerations that news organizations are becoming scared to address. So there was a news organization that sent a female reporter to Tahrir Square in Egypt. And, of course, men took her. Yeah. I mean, it's totally fair. I get it.

But I think you can't blanket all females cannot do this stuff. I think also, so Tahrir Square, I was actually there in December of 2010 because I was studying Arabic in college and I lived in Jordan. And that was right before the Arab Spring started. But there, as a female in a public place like that, I actually think Shelby being on the ground at these riots actually is much less threatening than Jorge or I. And as a result, she's able to blend in a lot more. And I think actually, despite me, well, you can call it asking you to walk around like a puppy dog. But I'm just trying. My boss, Jeff Ingersersoll shout out to him uh he said if if you if you what do you say if shelby gets a black eye and you're not in the icu i'm gonna kill you okay

so that's yeah but it is good i mean i have to i have to give credit to the caller because uh if you really want to do something and you can prove that you're capable of doing it, the freedom there is, you know, it's an amazing place to start your career. It's an amazing place to work. And I think that makes it really different from a lot of other media companies. So the reason I ask is just to, you know, get your sense of where, where we are now.

Curious if you have any, you know, understanding of, or any perspective and experience with prior years. But, uh, we've seen a bunch of these articles, a bunch of these tweets.

They're threatening to riot over Amy Coney Barrett. They're threatening to riot just again, because of Louisville, because of Brad Taylor. Now, now, uh, Jack Posobiec tweeted that there that there's you know kenosha is preparing an announcement we'll see what happens some people think it's about kyle rittenhouse i doubt it's probably about the officers not getting charged or something personally based on that news alone i kind of feel like it's gonna it's gonna kick off i mean they're threatening it for a variety of reasons

so i guess my question is do you agree and do you guys see this getting worse over the next couple of months? Like, are we going to see are we going to see more Kyle right now situations? I mean, I don't want to say like, it's going to get worse. But to be honest, I mean, I think it is from what I've been seeing, just because the country is so divided, even like, I feel like the election is just going to like send this thing overboard. One big thing for me that I kind of keep telling people is, you know, whether if Biden wins, the right's not going to accept it. If Trump wins, the left's not going to accept it. And we're just in a crazy time. You know, the Women's March, like I said, moved up their event to October 17.

You know, usually they wait till after the election. And, you know, I don't know's what's going to happen but it definitely seems that uh it's not getting any any better i mean from what from what i've seen on the ground it's definitely it's definitely not getting any any better what do you think shelby i don't know i i would agree i think yeah your question about if there's going to be more written house situations you know you you hope not of course um i i think that there's there's a definite you know something to be said 17 year olds with whatever i'm not a gun person what did he have a 223 the big was it an ar-15 yeah the ar-15 going into these very volatile situations where things can change at the blink of an eye like

that you're not trained for that you know what i mean and and and if you want to go and whatever reason he had for being there um will we see it again again you hope not but can i say no of course not i can't see i can't predict the future but i I do think that there will be riots. I think there's been ups and downs all this year. And we'll see an up again. And I think we're starting to see kind of a portion of America that is getting really sick and tired of seeing their cities destroyed. And it's getting to a point where they're saying, if I have to pick up a gun and I have to go out there and do it myself, then I will.

And that's what that Kyle Rittenhouse situation was. That's dangerous. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, it's not a good precedent for our country to be in. We'll see what happens. But, I mean, when we have the destruction that we're seeing, you're going to have a portion of people who feel like they are not protected and they have to do something for the community and we're going to continue to see that until you know we see some type of you know law and order restored you know hopefully coming into this new year with this election but like i said i i don't think so what do you think richie yeah well what i think is that what i've noticed is an

ongoing theme from across all these protests and we were talking about this yesterday is that the individuals who are out there, everybody has a cause, right? And the ones who are actually engaging in the violence are perhaps the most lost in terms of how much they're putting into it and how much they hate, for example, law enforcement. So what we saw in Kenosha was basically two different sides that had causes that they really believed in. And in a situation where there's no law enforcement, well, they were close, but clearly they weren't, you know, doing their normal jobs.

They were doing riot control. They weren't, you know, trying to keep obviously Kyle Rittenhouse from what were they doing? They weren't protecting the businesses. The windows Kyle Rittenhouse from... What were they doing? They weren't protecting the businesses. The windows were getting smashed. The fires were starting. Well, I think that actually comparing DC's riot control to Kenosha, I mean, DC is literally, they're babysitting that crowd the entire time that they're out marching. There's a little bit of irony there that the cops are stopping the traffic for the protesters

who want to stop the traffic to keep them safe. But in Kenosha, that was not the case. And that's what I'm saying. The first or the second night, because the first night we weren't there. That's when things really popped off. The second night was when everything burned to the ground. The third night was the shooting. And the second night, I think Kenosha was just so unprepared. And it caused these individuals, these armed individuals to come out in the third night.

They were there the second night protecting one gas station, but there was only, what, three or four of them. And then the second or the third night when the shooting happened, there were, you know, double or triple, I would say that amount. And the more small cities where that kind of stuff happens the law enforcement isn't trained for that and so that's the reason why i'm using dc as an example and if that just continues to spread across our country i do think you guys know that ammo shortages across the country you can't get nine millimeter i mean i went to uh i've been out to i think think, two different shops, and they got nothing. They got no ammo.

Because everybody, and I was at a shop recently, guy walks in and he walks up and he's like, you got 9mm? And the guy's like, no. And apparently it's like a dollar a round now from like a dime or something. It's like, it's just, it's sold out. What's interesting about it is that for one liberals have started buying up guns these people who normally passively just said yeah gun control all of a sudden they're going on gun owners record gun sales ammo gets bought up like crazy so what what does that mean for small towns towns like kenosha where law enforcement isn't getting the job done where we

we see these district attorneys not prosecuting i That's what I'm worried about, man. I'm worried. I think Kyle should not have been out there. But I think the police should have been out there. I think the rioters shouldn't have been. Like, there's multiple steps we have to clear before we get to blaming Kyle for being, you know, I think a dumb kid.

It's riots shouldn't happen. It was a failure on multiple ends. Absolutely. And then finally you get this kid. Now they're smearing him and calling him all these crazy things. I don't think he was being smart. Basically what you guys are saying sounds like he's really dumb, waving the gun, running, not knowing what he was doing. And apparently it wasn't even his gun. It was given to him by an individual. The bigger picture is that you're going to get more inexperienced people. They're going to be handed guns. What happens when there's a small town in, I don't know, Pennsylvania? You know, maybe it's a town of like 30,000 people. So it's not, you know,

the biggest town, but it's 30,000 people. And what happens when the rioters show up and then some dude hands a handgun like, laws be damned, we're not going to burn, take this weapon, and that person's never fired before it's it's you know we can talk about the laws and gun control all day and night but when it comes to someone marching down your street with a torch or a brick or a molotov people are going to be like i don't care you know when people talk about whether kyle should have had the weapon or not i mean that's look the kid picked up the weapon when he's not legally allowed to have it because he was 17, not 18. What do you think people are going to do?

It's like you come to that neighborhood. They're going to say, I don't have the luxury of worrying about what comes after with these laws. I have to worry about right now the guy in front of my house at the Molotov. That's what I'm worried about happening and we kind of saw that example too when we were um in louisville kentucky um there was that moment that that that i was able to capture with the the middle eastern business owner uh where you just have this huge oh that was uh uh what's his name farry yeah buddy yeah and um i went i visited him earlier in the in the day before i even got that video so real quick this is a guy who was like surrounded and was refusing to say black lives matter yeah yeah and the thing was is um so he has a smoke shop then like right there he's leasing another business that was firebomb

the night before so i i showed up when they were still doing investigation and you know he was very very upset they don't want to they don't want to speak to me and i don't i don't blame him you know he just had a business firebomb and then later that night um you know me and shover kind of following this crowd and then that's when we see i just see this huge you know kind of like a mob start to approach him and they come up to him and say you know does brianna taylor's life matter does does you know black lives matter they're trying to get him to say and he you know he wouldn't say that you know he was chilling there with his gun but even that situation could have ended you know bad i mean he was chilling there with his gun. But even that situation could have ended, you know, bad. I mean, he was, you know, he was cool, calm and collective. But just we're just seeing those type of examples all across the country where people don't even trust the cops anymore to restore law and order.

They have to literally sit in front of their business throughout the whole night if they have to just to a gun who doesn't quite know what they're doing or gets frazzled or gets surrounded. And that's literally all it takes. And those people were kind of charging him. They were getting his face. They were yelling at him. So, I mean, like I said, thank God he was cool, calm, and collective. But like we said, if it was another individual who was inexperienced soon as people charge up they could already they're already like you know yeah be gun you know gun swinging so it was just a you know crazy moment to capture then you know when we posted it

just it's opening americans eyes to like what what's happening on the ground it's crazy to me that uh in the debates joe biden says antifa doesn't exist and it's not just antifa it's just i think the bigger issue is far left extremism it's crazy to me that you get like from the fbi oh you know right wing and white supremacy are the biggest threats and i'm like they talk about the proud boys and you know i was saying this earlier if 300 proud boys like started marching around my neighborhood you know what i would do literally nothing i wouldn't care like what when the proud boys have come out and they're they're left to their own devices they just wave little american flags and then get drunk and then they

leave and they yell uhuru or whatever it is they do if i heard that black lives matter antifa was coming i'd pack up and get out i'm not going to stick around because we've already seen what happens when they come to your property and threaten you the cops arrest you you know we see what happens to people who panic, not saying it's a good thing, but, you know, think they got to defend their neighborhood. They're going to arrest you. I'm not worried about Proud Boys. Nobody knows who they are. They're not even, there's not even that many of them. But the far left unrest has been everywhere. I got a call from a friend in the far west Chicago suburbs. Dinky, tiny little town. Yup, they showed up. And they didn't even live there. That's scary.

So then you see in the debates, Joe Biden won't denounce it. Joe Biden's campaign staff bailing these people out in Minneapolis. Kamala Harris soliciting donations to bail these people out. I am worried that, you know, right now there's the debate over who's America is this? Trump says, in Biden's America, this is what you'll

get. And people laugh and say, yeah, Trump, you're president now. And I'm like, nah, here's the way I see it. They deputized the Oregon State Police in Oregon. They then deputized the Portland Police. So now if you get arrested by the state troopers or the Portland PD, the feds charge you. And that's freaking these people out. That's Trump. Joe Biden, his campaign staff bailing these people out. I'm worried that if Biden gets elected, it's going to be let's negotiate and figure out what we can do to appease them. Yeah, they might start. They might stop writing because Biden, the Democrats are going to be like, here are the things you've asked for.

Like, we're going to give in to your demands. I think if Trump gets elected, he's going to be like he's going to put on the iron gauntlet and slam his iron fist but i don't know man i don't know if you guys get that political on the issue because i think you're mostly just on the ground reporters and i'm talking about like all politics but i don't know if you have any thoughts on you know like well yeah what do you think about the local government what do you think about trump's responses do you think they've said trump's made it worse do you guys have any opinions i mean from i mean one one thing that i could kind of take away is when we were like covering the the situation in like seattle and chas uh when we go you know i'll just you know go out to just speak to regular folks in

seattle even like um one thing i found interesting was like the trump supporters and the conservatives they got to a point where they really wanted trump to intervene and not kind of use it as like a like a political playground you know because trump will come out and say, hey, well, that's happening in Democrat cities. Let them burn. But people forget there's Trump supporters in those Democrat cities who do want, you know, to see their city or state, you know, see the law and order restored. So that's one thing that I took away was folks in Seattle and then conservatives in Portland. They got to the point where they actually want to see Trump like actually come in and do something and not kind of see them kind of bashing their city. So I found that interesting. But, you know, every city is different or every situation is different.

I think with the situation in Louisville, I think they wanted to avoid the chaos so bad that they just said, hey, we're going to declare unlawful assemblies like right when right when curfew occurs, and we're just arresting everyone, and hopefully that sends a message. I mean, one thing that I could kind of take away from my jail experience was, with the men that I was with, is after they were in jail, almost all of them said, we're not coming back anymore. Like, this is it. Like, after being in here, this sucks. And like, the people that I met, at least in my cell, were mostly out-of-towners. So I had people from Indiana, at least in my cell were mostly out of town so i had people from indiana detroit and ohio that were that were down in louisville and almost like nine nine out of ten of them said dude we're not coming back after this like this sucks so i don't know if that's maybe it needs to happen in more cities where you just mass arrest these people and just maybe send a message um we'll see if that works because i know in portland people were getting

arrested and getting turned around in like three or four hours. They're already out. Coming right back. Yeah, so maybe that's what needs to happen. When I went to Atlanta after Rashard Brooks, the arrest was bad because we were at the Wendy's where he got killed. And there was literally – it was a no-cop go zone. So the gangsters in that hood ran that Wendy's and they literally did not let white people in and out so that way in Atlanta in Atlanta so that was one of the good times that Shelby and Richie weren't with me because they probably wouldn't have been even let in into the no-go zone so and that wasn't reported yeah and the thing one thing that bothered me when we were in Atlanta was that me and another

reporter Julio Rosas we were blasting it on social media trying to show people the violence happening in that little section because it was a no-go zone the three nights that we were on the ground reporting two of the nights shots were fired at the windies so we were we were there for that and almost it didn't get any traction with any any big media or law enforcement even the very next week after we were gone is when that eight-year-old girl went to visit that that that vigil and got shot and killed and it And it took that moment for them to say, okay, we're sending national guard. Same thing at Chaz.

We went in there and like attacked it, attacked it, you know, trying to expose it. And then it took two people getting shot and killed for, you know, for something to happen. But it's just been, you know, every city is different. I don't know how, you know, what's the correct way to handle it. But it's kind of been interesting

just to kind of get that feedback. One of the first things I asked you guys, I was i was like oh you've clearly got time to be here you know we've had like you know for the past four months every day i wake up i'm like oh it's my more like i do a segment in the morning my morning riot update for everybody turn on your car stairs on your way to work and listen about the riots because every night every single night there have been a couple over the past few nights and this actually this actually freaks me out i didn't talk about them because the politics stuff is getting bigger and i've mentioned before that's actually a problem because it's normalized like the stuff happening in the pacific northwest now it's just

like oh they're throwing firebombs again you know what am i really going to tell anybody hey they threw firebombs again all right have a nice day i was talking to richie about that earlier actually we were sort of looking at where the unrest is right now. And I said something like, you know, it's Portland and Seattle like they're not protest. They're not doing this for like any reason. It's just violence at this point. You know, they're it's not like Louisville where they began protesting over the Breonna Taylor, the verdict. They're just doing it to cause chaos. And so it's less interesting almost. Because compared to going to Louisville or potentially going to Kenosha next week, depending on what happens.

Wait, is there news coming out? Well, we don't know what the news is but something's about to happen something allegedly is about to happen um so that's interesting because it's it something sparked it and in like portland it's just i don't know what's sparking it like they they got what they wanted right like the national guard stood down and then people and there's still violence and chaos going on and yeah it didn't work well i i agree with that and i think what kenosha and my experience my personal experience with kenosha really the lesson that i learned there is the degree to which the facts on the ground are being neglected in favor of whatever narrative you want to push.

And I think both sides are guilty of that. But specifically, with respect to Kyle, it was weeks before CNN, Washington Post contacted me. And I think part of the reason is because my testimony, it didn't fit what they wanted to put out there. Wait, so they didn't hit you up like, hey, you're the witness. You were involved. They didn't talk to you or what? I think what happened was basically Wednesday night after the shooting, I went on Tucker Carlson. And my goal in this is one thing and one thing only. And that's to tell the public,

the greater public, not just one echo chamber, what I saw. And I think after I went on Tucker, that really turned off half of the media establishment from what I had to say. And there's actually a CNN report that said that I supported the conservative belief that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. It said that. But you that said that I supported the conservative belief that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. It said that, but you never said that. I said, Kyle told me that he was there to protect the small businesses.

Right. And he mentioned an absence of police. So I wasn't supporting any claim. I'm, I'm playing a role here as a witness. So having experienced that, I really learned the degree to which, you know,

the facts on the ground can just,'t even matter anymore so i think that's what's different now than you know previous riots and stuff like that i take a look at like uh the press conference held by these doctors over covid breitbart did a live stream of it and then facebook deleted it because it was misinformation but i'm like but it's just a press conference that was hosted by doctors and a Republican politician. Why is the news organization being struck down? Your story is similar in the sense that if the narrative doesn't fit, the news organization

is your provocateur. You're not a journalist anymore. The moment you say something steps out of line like Andy, no, all these news organizations say right wing provocateur. And it's like, what has he done other than just like, here's people. Here's what they're doing. Here's a video of it. Nope.

That makes him an activist, a provocateur. And I think part of it, too, has to do with how prominent, you know, Andy started getting. So for those that are familiar, Andy knows just he's a journalist in the Pacific Northwest who covers far left violence. He calls it what it is. And now that he's gaining more and more followers as he's, you you know publishing a lot of this information and exposing what these people are doing they know now he's so you know well known they say he's a right-wing provocateur i'm not i'm i don't i don't know of any right-wing groups that he's a he's a part of like he's not partisan he's not talking about voting for trump he i think he said that he's like center right politically or

something to that effect but that erases his identity as a journalist and that's it it's it's it's i i don't know uh if you guys can even comment on this like why it is that you think the media is downplaying or even protecting the extremists that are causing the violence i mean i think i mean i just off the bat i would say maybe it has to do something with it you know doesn't protect. It doesn't fit the narrative for their side. It's hard to tell. But like how we said, you know, we try to be out there, try to get the full scoop, show you guys everything, and then let you decide. It's difficult to understand. I mean, one thing that bothered me was that thing in Kenosha where, you know, I didn't even see any, like, reporters talking to the business owners.

You know, these people are devastated, you know, livelihood gone. You know, who's going to share their stories? You know, we ran into one witness who said a seven-year-old man was beat trying to protect his business. And he still burned it to the ground. I saw that video, right? And they bashed him over the back of the head. And to me, it was just like, you know, if you're in media news, why are we not sharing

these stories of these? These are Americans just like us. They're in the middle class. You know, they you're in media news, why are we not sharing these stories of these? These are Americans just like us. They're in the middle class. You know, they work nine to five jobs. You know, we should be sharing these stories. And I don't know, you know, I'm only been in D.C. for four months, but I don't know if it's like the whole connection of, you know, you always hear the rumors before you move to D.C. Hey, don't get like too caught up in your D.C. bubble. Like, you know, don't forget like to us real Americans. And maybe that is a thing where they're so caught up in this dc bubble like you know yeah don't forget like just to us real americans

and maybe that is a thing where where they're so caught up in this dc bubble they're like well hey i could look out the window and my high rises and bernie down so the whole everyone's doing fine oh dude um so i don't know if it's that aspect but to me i think that i mean that's for me just that folks folks are too elite in media do you remember that tweet from the guy in like hollywood where he's like yeah they're riding woo and then oh, the riots are near my house. Stop. Stop. Go the other way. Go to the poor neighborhood, bro. Actually, I've been in D.C. for 12 years, so I can definitely comment. And I worked at NBC. One of my first weeks there was the Newtown shooting. And that will forever stick out in my head because when you have people who sit in these multimillion

dollar studios and they talk about these human tragedies day in and day out, I think there's a certain callousness that you develop. And having experienced that human suffering firsthand, literally having Rosenbaum dying in my arms, I am now so much more aware of the actual suffering that is taking place as a byproduct of what's happening in our country right now. And that's not just in the riots. That's why are these people mad in the first place? Why are they going out there and so desperate to tear down the fence around the federal

courthouse in Portland? And the answer is it all starts with the economics. And our generation, I'm 31, and I won't say how old shelby is she's very young but our generation no shame we've talked about this extensively there we're one of the first probably the first generation of americans who are inheriting in america that's less prosperous than what our parents uh grew up in or entered their professional lives in. And I think there's a profound disillusionment that's happening in 20-somethings and millennials. And I think that's the real root.

And nobody wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to talk about the mental health or opioids because if it bleeds, it leads. You know what I mean? I think it's a lack of purpose. Like no one's got anything to do. No one knows why they're here. We've talked about that a little bit too.

Like these groups, it almost seems like they don't know who they are, what they want. And this is a community for people. As strange as it sounds, it's a team. It's something to fight for and belong to. And and I think and I think that the media, I think also it's so divisive these days, like with Trump, you know, if Trump says something, I think and this does not mean I am pro Trump or anything, you know, I'm very non-political, but you can just see it. You don't have to be political to see that if Trump says something, many people in the media just automatically go to the other end of the spectrum. In the most extreme way. So what has Trump done?

He has called out these violent riots. He has, you know, used them. He has spoken about them. And so the media downplays them and i think that is definitely a part of it as well so trump needs to come out and support antifa for them to finally crack down on the rights antifa is great they're the best i love what they do trump is supporting violent extremists these people and then they go full capitalist trump just announces he's a communist and then they're like perfect i mean that that is an ongoing joke from like the babylon b it's like other satiricites whatever trump says i say the

opposite yeah but one thing i actually kind of wanted to mention kind of piggyback what they were saying too is you know being on the ground and like just striking some conversations with folks um i think it's that too is the the the the lack of purpose in their life i think a lot of folks that i've met they kind of see this as like a moment of revolution. So it kind of fills that void. I mean, one thing that I would be more interested in if I could have a chance to sit down is just, you know, finding more about these people's family lives.

You know, I think that one thing that we don't talk about in media and politics is just like, you know, having a strong family structure is a big, big deal in our society. And I think we shouldn't shy away from that conversation we should we should be speaking about it especially in 2020 in a time like this we should we should be talking about family again that's just yeah we're gonna jump to uh super

chats you guys ready yes sir audience commentary it's most of it has nothing to do with what we're talking about you know but uh we'll see where we go like uh for instance bobby lane says alex jones should be joe rogan's co-host for all his future podcasts spotify would love it it would also be great for both of them to moderate lmao that'd be awesome yeah they get on board with that morgan lippincott says there's a petition by notre dame students asking the university president to resign he was seen breaking the school's social distancing rules at the ACB nomination ceremony. And once on campus in August, students can be expelled for breaking said rules. Interesting. I'll also mention right now, too, if you guys want to actually ask questions, we got the

DC Riot Squad. So you guys, I mean, look, if you want to ask a question about the riots, these are the people who are on the ground covering all of it. So they have the answers for you. This is your chance. And also smash that like button. Lior Engelstein says, this is for Richie. Send my message from earlier, Tim.

I don't know which one that was. That's Lior from Fulken Seal. Oh, okay. Right on. Oh, is he saying for you to send him it? Yeah. I told you earlier about the thing. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Ah, yes.

Top secret. Top secret. We don't want to tell people what you're packing, you know. That's right. We're talking about guns, by the way. Oh, gosh. Tony says, hi, Tim. I very much like your videos, but I think you might be misinformed on Turning Point.

I work for Turning Point and we go to college campuses to talk about capitalism versus socialism, big government versus small government benefits of Bill of Rights. I, yeah, I guess. No, I made a comment about it earlier. So, you know, I respect. Let's see. Captain Deplorable says, Tim tells it like it is. Fist bump.

Thank you very much. Daniel Sotelo says, why not Joe Jorgensen? I don't know if you guys don't seem very political, but I'll just say for me, she endorsed black lives matter and said we must be actively anti-racist it's an ideology that's overtly racist so you know i'm not down with that i'm out yeah craig wadding says tim i heard that antifa have been buying up all the extra small small and extra extra extra small sized bulletproof vests tell bucko i said hello oh i will tell you guys met bucko right yeah yeah there you go

let's see joshua says i think trump helped biden by speaking to his pride and allowing him to break focus organically shouldn't trump force biden to ad lib for two minutes yes he should have yes yeah absolutely been awesome lee wilson says your name popped up on boomer am radio this morning looks like you're going mainstream oh great the snap. The boomers love you, too. All right, let's see what we got here. I want to see if I can get more questions for you guys, specifically. Everyone loves you.

Well, I mean, it is my show. I'm sure there are shows right now where they're like, Tim Pool's a moron. Someone's, I see it like this, I feel like, says vote in person. There we go. Here we go. Brandon Savage says Uhuru means freedom in Swahili. Okay. I didn't know that was...

I just thought it was a thing they yelled, but no. In Arabic, Haria. What was it? In Arabic, freedom is Haria. Do they yell that too or something? Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Interesting.

Weird. All right, let, right, right. Interesting. Weird. All right, let's see. Let's see. Sooty Thunder says, Your story reminds me of a time in college. Word started spreading that there was a gunman on campus, and as soon as it went from drill to gunman, I was out the window,

avoid the pathways using the tree line, and got to my truck and GTFO. Despair Doctor says, Kyle deserves better. Eagle99 says, Tim, me and my family watch your videos every day and appreciate the viewpoint and truth. You unwind from the games and most of the other media.

Be safe and well, man. Appreciate it. Socialism says, Why did the female reporter in the room lie about Kyle? He had complete control of his weapon the entire time. Fake news is not what we need, especially when we have video evidence of the truth. Yes, Shelby. Yes, Shelby.

You weren't there, Shelby. I was there and Richie was there and I think Richie would back me up when I said he did not always have complete control of his weapon. Well, you can read the criminal complaint. I'm not going to comment on what I said and how that was interpreted by prosecutors but what you can read the criminal complaint i i'm not going to comment on what i said and how

that was interpreted by prosecutors but what you can see on the video if he i'm not sure exactly whose video feed it was so apologies to whoever filmed it kyle's running down the street with a fire extinguisher in one hand and a and an ar in the other at a full sprint i don't know what fire there was over there but if it was a dumpster fire you probably shouldn't be sprinting down the street with an AR-15 well actually you guys know Drew Hernandez Lives Matter show

I don't know if this is the same incident but he said they had lit a dumpster on fire and were pushing it towards a gas station and the reason they got mad at Kyle was because it was either him or someone who looked like him who put the fire out so I don't know if this is the same scenario, but maybe if you see three dudes with a flaming dumpster being pushed towards a gas station,

you do sprint towards it. Yeah. But listen, just because he didn't have, I mean, me saying he didn't have control of his gun the whole time does not mean that, you know, I'm not saying that he was, you know, You're not accusing him. Yeah, it's just a statement based on what I saw being on the ground. And that's that.

And actually I, I mean, I told you when he turned around, the gun was aimed 45 degrees at the ground. Yeah. And so as far as the instance of the shooting itself, that's, that's a different story. And so your friend over there maybe uh maybe you can go everybody has their opinions videos yeah this is interesting i don't know can we maybe we can fact check this um mindless fpv says proud boys announced lawsuits against cnn and biden campaign i saw written house did that well yeah written house written house is

going to be suing through yeah let me Let me Google this. What the white supremacist is doing. Interesting. Interesting. Glenn says, as former military and as a armed security, I give credit to Rittenhouse for his restraint. The last guy he had to shoot, I would have seen him still as a threat, for he still had a weapon. So actually, yeah, like in the video, you can see after all three, you know, after the final shooting of the dude's arm, there's another guy with his hands up and Kyle lowers his weapon and just gets up and starts walking away. I guess, you know, that I think that in my opinion, and you guys have to comment on this, but disproves intent to murder. I mean, I saw him earlier in the night.

He's in one of my videos in the background yelling at protesters to, know if you need first aid come here i what we saw that evening doesn't add up with the idea that he came to just shoot people yeah royal raptor says kyle went out and protected his community and you label him as a dumb kid tim he was a patriot that protected his community from domestic terrorists. I don't want to, but I have to do the same, then I will. I totally understand that. And so what I'll say is, I'm not saying, when I say Kyle was a dumb kid, I'm saying he's inexperienced and is coming out not knowing how you handle the situations, how he's supposed to respond. I'm not making a moral judgment. I'm saying we are going to see more people who don't know how to handle the weapon. I'm not saying that of Kyle. I'm saying we're going to see more people who don't know how to handle

weapon coming out and saying, if the cops aren't coming, I'm coming. That's why I say before I get to any criticisms of Kyle, first I criticize the cops. Where were they? Then I criticize the rioters. Why were you burning the city down? Then once we get there, we can talk about, you know, whatever we want to criticize Kyle for. But there's these barriers are in front of that. So, you know, look, when I if I'm being critical of him, keep that in mind. There's there's there's layers to this. If it was like before the riots even happened, the dude shut up and was waving a gun around. I'm going to criticize him.

But get out of here. Don't do that. But this was what the third night of unrest and riots so i'm not i'm not judging the kid for not being a you know a trained full like you know military whatever marksman lurking in the shadows knowing how he's gonna defend a building or anything like that all right let's see we've got a bunch of super chats just popped up right now so let's see uh evie says greatest guest ever tim does anyone think locals have changed their minds on who to vote for based on riots is that something you guys can comment on

do you have any experience with that stuff yes well we've interviewed people who are moving out of their cities because of what's happening um multiple people in portland uh people in seattle they're done they're are they voting they're out uh i don't know one of them was voting for trump and i don't think they had in the past um but there there are people where they're over this they're over it i heard a story of uh some lady in portland who like her store was getting attacked like they were writers and she pulled out a gun. And then she started yelling at the group where the black people at because it was all white people yelling Black Lives Matter. And it's like there's crazy stories like that.

You know, our locals are just like, no, like you guys are nuts. And they come out and then, you know, the Trump supporters make the stories go viral because they're kind of like I don't want I don't want to downplay the severity of the chaos. But there's a humor and like the absurdity of some of these stories for sure. Bo Stoker says, talk to my local militia about this citation. Watching all the vids. Kyle's discipline was actually quite good. It shows in the videos. Trigger and aim. When he drops aim when people retreat.

I agree with that 100%. I just think that he's 17, man. He's not like a 35 year old you know fully trained experienced you know socialism says gun owners are not the issue to everyone in the room 99 of gun of all gun crimes are committed by illegal ownership the overwhelming amount of guns save lives anti-gun much hey were we making any i don't know what i was just in wisconsin and my boyfriend was teaching me how to shoot a gun so yeah i'm not anti-gun yeah no way man i i got a bunch of guns now yeah stay out of my yeah i don't know what i said to get that yeah well maybe maybe

i'll take the blame on this one folks maybe the interpretation was when i was saying like someone's going to hand their gun and say gun laws be damned like i'm protecting my community i think we're going to see a lot of that and I'm not I'm not making a moral judgment I'm saying I don't I I don't want to see it happen I don't want the cops we need law enforcement is exactly why but I would not be surprised if regular people just pick up the gun and say I don't care I'm not gonna sit around and wait for my for my my life to be destroyed all right let's see we got here db says i'm from brazil and radical left in the usa is crazy brazilian journalists just digest

news from the major american news sources on twitter interesting dawson allen says after watching the video from fight back and following kyle's case he was attacked first he needs to go home god bless you guys and gals. Interesting. Placid says, hey, Tim, there was a study that shows that concealed carry holders are more law abiding than government police. All right. See, Sean Anthony says, if someone asked any of you what you think is the best thing they can do to stop these riots, what would you suggest? It's a tough question. It's a tough question it's a tough one i mean i don't like it's like i'm not in law enforcement so i wouldn't know but um i mean i'm reading uh lyndon b johnson's book right

now about 1968 so one thing that he did during the race riots is they put troops on the ground and it seems like when you put troops on the ground violence deterred so that's all i gotta say as an individual person, it's tough. I mean, I don't know the answer to that. I can speak on where I have expertise, which is in the media. I just I'm incredibly angry about the way that this entire situation has been treated by the media and the way that it's been downplayed for for partisan purposes. Yeah. And also, by the way, when we were in Seattle, there was a Fox News reporter coming in there and saying, oh, it's a party-like atmosphere, and then leaving. So I don't think

it's necessarily that it's conservative or Democrat, but it's very much a corporate media narratives that are spun up, and then you have to stick to them. Because independent journalists will say what they actually think, but people who are working for a massive corporation, they got corporate overlords who have shareholders to worry about. And I think to them because independent journalists will say what they actually think. But people are working for a massive corporation. I mean, they got corporate overlords who have shareholders to worry about. And I think media is being democratized now, but apparently not as much as it could be because, I mean, our voices are lost. Nobody wants to pay attention to what we're saying at The Daily Caller. That's for sure.

The Daily Caller? Yeah. Because, I mean, we're not establishment. I thought you meant you're like bosses. We're like, we don't care what these guys are doing. You mean that the establishment won't give you up. Exactly. In fact, they'll actively ignore what we're saying, I think.

Bama Bear says, Tim, I must disagree with you on Kyle. I'm a combat veteran. I'm 35. Also, that 17-year-old was more calm than I would have been. He was trained well. Well, you know, to be honest, far be it me to uh comment on whether or not someone is trained properly because i certainly don't know what you know a trained swat or military member would do in a situation like that all right let's see one drop says guests with the police interactions in dc and the other cities you have been in during the riots

how restrained or heavy-handed do you think the police are or have been uh i think in dc it began the police were very passive um and it has gotten to the point where there's been so much unrest in dc that you know people throw one or two water bottles and that's it they're they're moving in uh and then kenosha i would argue the police were really failed in that situation and And I think they were underprepared. Small town versus like the likes of D.C., though, you know, Louisville. Of course, two officers got shot. But I I think every night they were declaring an unlawful assembly right when curfew was. I think they were way more aggressive than we've seen in other cities.

Louisville was. Yeah. Interesting. I mean i i do think when we got arrested the protesters were trying to it did look like they were trying to disperse they had they had walked down the block and were sort of roaming in different directions and then were not allowed to leave you know um so i think it really depends on the city it really varies could that have been because they didn't they didn't want these people to go into like suburban neighborhoods or even just other neighborhoods i i mean i've i have no idea um there were about 50 who were corralled in our

section um which isn't a huge number when you think about it compared to some of these other places we've been to uh but i do think it varies city by city so much. The tactics, too, of the police. Yeah, what they do. I'm more likely to get tear gassed in Portland or flash banged, and I'm much more likely to get pepper sprayed in D.C. Right. And I have, by the way.

And actually, I was hit with a tear gas canister in Portland. Wow. And the best shot is with a tear gas canister in Portland. Um, and I, you know, the best shot is in between the protesters and the police. So that's where I was. And as Shelby mentioned, we have to dress down a little bit, especially because if we're wearing press and then they know what press we are, they're going to, it's not going to be good. So I kind of just shake my gas mask at this guy who's aiming the canister at me and he shoots and hits me. And, uh, I actually was live on Facebook and I said things that I

couldn't say. And actually as I'm bending over, he must have reloaded because then I got hit in the leg. I think I posted videos. Yeah, I think I saw that. You can go on my Twitter and see it. But I don't necessarily blame him and that's true. I was at a riot. I could have just gone home.

I was there covering what was happening in the midst of it, dressed in black. I think New York is actually, for all the complaints people have about the NYPD, I've seen the least amount of heavy-handed tactics from NYPD. It's funny you say that because we commented when we were there the difference. They don't really rely on anything other than just a good old-fashioned billy club. And I think that goes back to riots from 200 years. And just locking you up 200 years they just grab you and get rid of you nypd does not mess around so when they cleared people out from the whatever we want to call the protest zone the occupy city hall oh you were there for that yeah yes it was it was brief but uh there was some good art and some good music would Would you call it a good old-fashioned belly club?

Yes. That's exactly it. I mean, that's literally what it is. And I talked to the NYPD there, and they're like, listen, some Irish guy who says, yeah, my dad did this and my grandfather did this. And they were in this riot and this riot. And so I think actually those tactics, when you actually have just a cop rather than like a shield or something like that, you're less likely to just like, you know, bump into it because that cop is going to swing back. That was wild.

I climbed up on the top of a transgender's party bus to get some good footage. I got yanked off said bus by a big female cop and she almost pulled, I almost fell right on my back. That was, that was not, when was that? Months ago. It was July, it was early July, very beginning of July... When was that? Months ago. It was July. It was early July.

Very beginning of July. You know that there's still like a camp in Philadelphia, I guess. Really? Yeah. Because the city's just ignored it. Because they're like, well, they're like, if people want to have a homeless camp, that's not new to the city. So have at it.

And they just ignored it, you know? Crazy. All right. Let's see what else we got. Colin Sanders says, rioters seem to be developing more discipline and determination in the face of opposition. Does that square with what you've seen on the ground? Seattle are doing. Look at what they're doing. And we're not doing that. So they are looking to these other cities in Portland is, I mean, absurdly, like militant with their, you know, they have tactics, depending on what the police are throwing at them, they get into these formations, they have weapons or like, you know, shields shields it is very more and more organized the longer it goes on and it it goes out into other cities as well people are watching right on all

right let's see we got here hydro px says this dude in yellow said it's about family but how about uh but how when women are egotistical and want to take the role of the man? Well, I don't know. Yeah. I think it's 2020. Yeah, 2020. Nobody out there has like a strong-willed mother. I mean, I mean, what's just because.

My mom, mom, I love you. you but you're i think we we were talking about this last night with uh jack murphy about you know feminism trying to push every you know trying to push everyone towards a kind of middle of the road masculinity so that might be kind of where the comment is coming from so you basically have like general masculinity is now associated with toxic masculinity but then you have women being encouraged to take more masculine roles so they're basically like pushing everything to a slightly masculine kind of space instead of recognizing the contributions of femininity to society. Yeah. And I think part of femininity is also being strong.

And I don't know about you guys, but, you know, your parents very much are two parts of a whole. And there are definitely feminine characteristics that my dad had that, you know, my mom didn't necessarily embody and vice versa. And so I don't know. I mean, I think just assuming that because it's a masculine characteristic, only a man can embody it. I think that's, that's the mistake there. And that's, you know, I mean, Shelby definitely has a strong, I was talking to Shelby's dad the entire time that she was in jail. Are you calling me masculine? No, I was saying your dad is very, you know, he's very strong will, but he's also, he's clearly cares because we stayed up all night calling.

Yeah, I only knew my dad's phone number and my mom's phone number. Well, he also said to me, he said, he said, I said, at least she went down gracefully. And he said, well, yeah, he treated those cops with way more respect than she did me growing up. And then he said, oh, yeah, well, it's been six hours and now she's hangry. And now we need to be careful. Oh, no. Watch out. Yeah, I will.

Yeah. Appreciate that. Blazin' River says, has DC Riot Squad ever heard of the Capitol bombings and riots in the late 60s and 70s? Whether underground was responsible. You guys know all about that stuff yeah i did it actually oh wow i need to research that yeah i'm reading about the race riots in the 60s yeah so you're way up to it i wonder i would no yeah well i just want to say my parents were in the in dc in the late 60s early 70s and i think the one thing my mom always says about the difference between now and then is the fact that the protesters at the time I think were unified in um it wasn't necessarily you know

specifically Nixon or I mean they were obviously anti-Nixon but it was it was the fact that we were overseas in a war yeah that they thought that we shouldn't be engaging in and uh things on the home front i mean i think i think there's a lot more uh idealism there than than what we see now i love how the modern left kind of just doesn't care anymore about the middle eastern wars and the peace agreements and it's it's crazy to me that like if you know i i grew up with war being the biggest issue and i mentioned we're talking a lot about this last night because the liberals just wanted to get rid of george w bush and then as soon as obama wins they're like we don't care anymore so now we have trump actually trying to pull our troops out and they're resisting and fighting against him i i kid you not i was talking to a friend of mine who said i i was like do you agree with trump's position on

withdrawing the troops from the middle east and then this is a progressive goes well i actually was reading this article from that she names a very famous neocon about why we need a presence in the middle east and i was like are you kidding me it's it's if trump says it it's bad if trump if trump says it you can't do it rage mage says to the guests what has been the scariest situation you've each been caught in so far while covering these riots you want to go first i think you told your whole story i can probably answer richie's is probably the shooting uh thumbs up i was really scared when i got arrested because again you know my mom is a prosecutor i grew up like really fearing law enforcement and like breaking the law and um and it was also

really scary to be in um a cell with people where i knew if they found out where i worked i had no idea if it was going if it was going to get bad. And and then as the hours dragged on, you know, I know you're going to get out at some point. But it was nerve wracking because I didn't understand why as a reporter, you know, I was still in there. And so that was that was probably I don't know if I was frustrated. I was very frustrated. But that was scary. And any time you get into a situation which we have where you're surrounded by protesters and they're, you know, targeting you, that's also. Yeah, mine was mine was in Atlanta with I was reporting alongside another reporter julio rosas oh yeah we were at the uh at that uh

at that wendy's um where rashard brooks got killed and i believe it was a saturday night and we were actually away from the the wendy's we were like next to the gas station right next to it i mean we weren't even talking to anyone and three um three men from that vigil step up to us armed and then say uh are you guys undercover cops and we're like no and then um i had the my tactical helmet you know strapped to my backpack and he you know the guy points at my helmet he says that that looks like a police helmet you guys are undercover cops he then um the guy julio that i'm with he's like he has you know he's he's in the military so he has that like military style yeah so they're like all this guy's in the military you guys are undercover cops then they're all armed and then they go if you want to see the vigil so bad we'll take you and me and

hulu like no we're okay we're actually gonna get an uber and no we're fine and they're like no let's go so they're so now three armed individuals are taking us into this vigil where no white people are allowed and basically there's no it's a no cop zone so people were like photographers were getting beat up there and as they're taking us to this vigil the arm the arm guys are like screaming at other like gang members that they think we're undercover cops so now you have we're basically getting crowded by all these gang members and all these people and now we're at we're at the vigil and uh you know me and julie are lying we, hey, this is our first time here. We'll leave right now.

We don't even want to be there. And they didn't let us leave. And someone, a female, steps up and yells at Julio and goes, I seen you guys here yesterday taking pictures and all this stuff. So luckily, the guys who walked us in basically took us out and threatened us. They were like, hey, man, you guys better leave this vigil. We see you again here tonight. We're going hey man you guys better leave this vigil we see you you know you know again here tonight we're gonna shoot you guys all this stuff and basically me and julia walked away and me and julia looked at each other and said we're buying our ticket to dc tomorrow we are done we're done with atlanta dude i didn't know that was going on

in atlanta that's that's crazy yeah even that's that's what i was saying literally one week later is when that eight-year-old girl got shot and killed at that vigil wow well man it's been two hours you guys want to shout out your social media so that people can follow you when you're covering the next riot yeah my twitter is just shelby talcott pretty simple my instagram is or anything or not t-a-l-c-o-t-t ah okay and then my instagram is sb talcott so blackburn, middle name. Then my Instagram is JorgeVenturaTV, posting all our stories there.

Follow me on Twitter too at VenturaReport. Obviously live tweeting all that good stuff. Then Mr. Richie McGinnis. Mine's easy. It's just Richie McGinnis. R-I-C-H-I-E-M-C-G-I-N-N-I-S-S. You looked like you weren't sure. What? I'm quite sure.

I look like a what? Oh, yeah, no. Well, because, you know, I'm Irish. What's my social media? Do you guys want to mention anything else before we wrap up or anything? I mean, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you to you guys because, you know, Shelby and Richie and I, we've been just really working hard this summer, like trying to get this content out to people, to folks. And we do appreciate, you know, you and Richie and I, we've been just really working hard this summer, like trying to get this content out to people, to folks. And we do appreciate, you know, you guys coming on.

And I mean, you guys having us come on and share at least our stories and perspective. And hopefully there's other Americans who are maybe looking for this type of media to say, hey, you know what? Let's check them out. And because I still think a lot of Americans don't know what's happening on the ground. I still meet people every day who are like, hey, just saw your tweet from Portland. Had no idea that was happening. I was like people every day who are like, hey, just saw your tweet from Portland. I had no idea that was happening. I was like, man, that was like two months ago now. So we just appreciate you guys giving us a platform to share this experience.

I think a lot of frontline journalism don't get this opportunity. Right on, man. And I think it's interesting, too. People can hear that you guys aren't overtly partisan. I think that's great. But I think people are still going to try and – there's no middle anymore. So they're going to say if you're being honest about

what's going on on the ground, that means you're going to be saying things that's going to make people angry at Antifa. They're going to accuse you of being right or whatever, you know? You know what? That's their journey, as my college coach used to say. Right on, right on. Silence is violence. Oh, yeah. I forgot. Yeah.

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This was great. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Getting some actual perspective from some on-the-ground reporters. And I'd love to have you guys back because, you know, obviously throughout the next couple of weeks, we're probably going to get crazy. This was great. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Getting some actual perspective from some on-the-ground reporters. And I'd love to have you guys back because obviously throughout the next couple of weeks, it's probably going to get crazy. So if there's ever any big stories, come on back and we'll talk about it. We'll cover it.

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