Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #147 - Anarchist Group Arrested For Plotting To KIDNAP Michigan Governor

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and Cassandra look at the recent story of an anarchist who was involved with a group that sought to kidnap and possibly even murder the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer and what it means that people are so willing to go to such lengths in a time of heightened political stress. Conversation ensues about the pending civil war, what it means to be an anarchist, and cults (and whether the left is one). Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In one of the weirdest stories I think I've ever heard, but kind of not unexpected, a group of 13 men have, well, I shouldn't say 13 men. There are seven guys and six guys. Each have been arrested. Seven guys on state charges. They were targeting cops. They wanted to like storm the state Capitol building in Michigan. Then you had six guys who apparently wanted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer because they view her as a tyrannical bee. We don't swear on this show, so sorry, figure that one out. Female dog, we'll call it that. And they felt that her COVID lockdown orders were unconstitutional, and thus they were going to take action. Unfortunately for them, they reached out to some militias, turns out were infiltrated by the FBI, and the informants

immediately ratted on them, and they've been arrested. The interesting thing is that partisan media is calling these guys right wing. We have video of some of these guys, at least one of these guys. They're not right wing at all. They're anarchists. So I don't even know what right wing means at this point. Everyone's like left wing violence and right wing violence. Look, if they're going to claim that anti-government, anti-police people are and anarchists are right wing, are they saying that Antifa is right wing? Like, the difference at that point i don't i don't know whatever we're going to talk about this we're also going to talk about what happened with the debate because we have lots of opinions because we have uh some people hanging out of course ian crossland is chilling hello

everyone that's uh that's ian sour patch lids is producing and doing all that stuff and uh cassandra fairbanks is hanging out yeah she! She's always here now. And we just have all of these different opinions. So make sure you smash that like button. Welcome to the show. We do the show Monday through Friday

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because I don't know. I don't really pay attention to those platforms. We're just on YouTube doing our thing. So I really do want to talk about the debates because I think that's the place where we have most of our opinions.

But what do you guys think? Should we should we should we talk about these kidnappers first? You think we should just talk about the kidnappers? Either one. Kidnappers. What do you think? Sounds terrifying. Like like they were domestic terrorists.

All right. Kidnappers. It is. All right. Here's a story from The New York Times. FBI says Michigan anti-government group plotted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Authorities charged 13 men, some of whom were accused of plotting to storm the state capitol building and planning to start a civil war. Sounds like Boogaloo, boys, but I don't think it was directly affiliated with anybody doing Boogaloo stuff.

Storming the state capitol, instigating a civil war, abducting a sitting governor ahead of the presidential election. Those were among the plots described by federal and state officials in Michigan on Thursday as they announced terrorism, conspiracy and weapons charges against 13 men. At least six of them, officials said, had had had hatched a detailed plan to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat who has become a focal point of anti-government views and anger over coronavirus control measures. The group that planned the kidnapping met repeatedly over the summer for firearms training and combat drills and practiced building explosives, the FBI said.

Members also gathered several times to discuss the mission, including in the basement of a shop that was accessible only through a trap door under a rug. Wow, that's pretty cool. It's like a movie. The trap door, not the weird, creepy terrorist in meetings. I'd like a trap door under a rug. Wow, that's pretty cool. It's like a movie. The trap door, not the weird, creepy, terrorist meetings. I'd like a trap door like that. That'd be cool. The men spied on Ms. Whitmer's vacation home in August.

Wow. And September, even looking under a highway bridge for places they could place and detonate a bomb to distract authorities, the FBI said. They indicated that they wanted to take Ms. Whitmer hostage before the election in November. And one man said they should take her to a secure location in Wisconsin for a trial. Richard J. Trask, the second, an FBI special agent, said in a criminal complaint, if their goal was to, like, make Donald Trump lose, this is like the best plan ever. Mr. Trask said that one of those arrested had bought a taser for the mission last week and that the men had been planning to buy explosives on Wednesday. Court records indicated that at least five of the men had been arrested on Wednesday in Ypsilanti. Is that how you pronounce it?

Michigan? Yeah. It was not immediately clear if the sixth man had been taken into custody. So the New York Times doesn't immediately say anything about right wing. I don't know if they go on to. I don't think they do. They just say anti-government. But immediately you're seeing all of these like lefty personalities saying like right wing militias. Dude's not

right wing. Look at this. Here's the guy. I mean, he's got huge gauges in his ears, which is not really indicative of anything. But I will say it's not necessarily like a right wing thing. You know, right wingers tend to be like stodgy suit wearing, you know, or rednecks. Yeah, I guess I guess, you know, you could see right wing gauges and stuff. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to discriminate against people with gauged ears or anything like that. But he's got a big anarchy flag behind him. Or a big anarchy. Yeah, it's a flag. And so Robbie Starbuck tweeted,

This is a video of Brandon Caserta, one of the ringleaders of the group of men arrested for a plot where the group planned to kidnap Governor Whitmer. Caserta has an anarchist flag behind him in a YouTube video trashes police. He's not a Republican. He's an anarchist. He's what's the difference between him and Antifa if he's anti-cop? I think that a lot of the media is being very simplistic about politics in general. I think that politics are a spectrum. It's not just Republicans and Democrats.

I think this guy's probably an anarcho-capitalist, which is like a right-leaning... What does that mean, right? Well, I don't know. That's the problem. He's still... They're still pro-capitalism. This dude's Antifa, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I get it. He's not literally Antifa. Like, he's not flying the anti-fascist action flag or anything like that. But what I mean to say is, if you take a dude who's wearing all black and

says f the police and f the government and then you put him next to an antifa guy they're both going to yell the same thing at the same time right so i get it but it's like i i understand he could be anarcho-capitalist you know because we saw with a lot of these protests where black lives matter came out the boogaloo boys were like we agree with you we're on your side like the government is bad and it's broken they're're like, all right, we agree. What's the what's the difference? One of them has an American flag mask and the other doesn't. It's like how cop block used to be.

Remember, they were run by like all those libertarians up in New Hampshire who were like anti-cop, but also pro-capitalism. And I don't know. Yeah. And caps. Yeah. I guess they're just anarchists't know. Yeah, and caps. Yeah. I guess they're just anarchists. They're certainly not Trump supporters. Right.

And this is the problem with how the media operates. There's a really clear distinction for what like left wing is, right? If you say like what's far left, you have a general idea. It's Antifa. It's Black Lives Matter. They all agree with each other on most of their ideology. They agree with each other for the most part on economics. So when you say left wing, you're referring to like one large group of people. When they say right wing, I have no idea

what that means. Is that like a Trump supporters right wing, the alt right or right wing? They disagree with the Trump supporters on like almost everything. I think that there's, you know, authoritarian and then more libertarian aspects of the right. I think that the right has a lot more difference of opinion and different ideas than the left does because they don't really accept other ideas. Whereas the right will be like, OK, well, we disagree with you on this, but we agree on this other thing. And I don't know.

I don't think this is the kind of guy this this dude here with the anarchist flag behind him who's going to be hanging out with trump supporters right and they like governor whitmer immediately blamed trump she was like this is trump's fault or whatever and i was like these people are clearly not trump supporters like they might have like right-wing views on economics but they're probably very left on things like the border and police and there's certainly not trump supporters i'm so done with left and right whatever it just doesn't mean anything thank you i feel like that so intensely yeah no like this idea that you know right wing means laissez-faire capitalist and left wing means socialist and it's like okay so the alt-right isn't laissez-faire capitalist

they're actually kind of left on policy. You know, like didn't Richard Spencer talk about universal health care and stuff like that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, and then there's Cernovich too, because Cernovich has also talked about universal health care. So the right is meaningless. Right. And like if we're both left-leaning and then you go further left, I'm all of a sudden considered right because it's a relative function.

So it's madness. That doesn't mean anything. I know. So left and right are, like, relative to each other. Well, definitely. If you're talking about, like, this is the weird thing. If you're talking about left and right in the traditional sense, because it came from the French Revolution,

you have the right, which are pro-status quo, traditional, like oh i'm sorry to interrupt you're right they sat in different areas of yeah so you had the right and the left and the left were the revolutionaries and the right were the keep it all the same right i think they were like keep it tradition and you know and to clarify they sat in like what was it their parliament or whatever they're something like that i guess the people would sit on the right side of the the aisle yeah on the left side of the aisle so the general idea is when someone says right wing, are they referring to like pro status quo versus pro revolution? In which case, this guy's pro revolution. So he's certainly not right.

Yeah, he seems like a far left terrorist. Yeah. The only reason they call him right wing is because they can't have it on their side, can they? It doesn't even seem far left. I say that and all of a sudden I'm he's but he seems like a far right terrorist is it just a big circle and you just keep going to the left and then you appear on the right and it's like it's because there's no it's because right wing doesn't mean anything it really does none of this means anything anymore well they have in common that they both neither neither

antifa nor these groups this group in particular think, neither one of them want much of the government to be involved. These guys, I think, went to the Open It Up rally or whatever. They were very, very just broadly anti-government. I think that's something that you could look at more than even right or left to determine where somebody's going to fall on that side. I don't know what that would be considered, like the amount of control the government has over you. Oh, dude. You know what that would be considered, like the amount of control the government has over you. Oh, dude.

You know what, man? I understand this anger over tyranny and abuse of power. Gretchen Whitmer, the Supreme Court ruled against her and they said that, you know, your lockdown is unconstitutional. And she said, so what? I'm going to do it anyway. And she said that she's going to wait out 21 days, which is the like allotted time. And then she's going to find other means to enforce her unconstitutional edict. Now, you're going to love this one.

She said, just last week, the president of the United States stood before the American people and refused to condemn white supremacists and hate groups like these two Michigan militia groups. Ms. Whitmer said there's no indication in the court documents that any of the men were inspired by the president. But Ms. Whitmer said extremists had heard the president's words not as a rebuke, but as a rallying cry, as a call to action. I didn't realize that Trump, who has routinely condemned anarchists and said the violent

anarchists must be arrested, was inspiring them, Gretchen. That's wonderful. That's the politics that we get. He's been extremely outspoken about anarchists. I mean. Right. It's, she's a joke. I can't deal with her at all.

You know, Spike Lee recently did an interview where he said that civil wars are coming. What did he say? He said that. He said civil war's coming. He said Trump's not going to leave. Civil war's coming. That's it. Did he explain?

Like, what does he mean by that? Civil war. That's all he said. And it was really, I think, I can't remember who did the interview. That's it. Did he explain? What does he mean by that? Civil War. That's all he said. And I can't remember who did the interview. I think it was Vanity Fair, maybe. And they were like, we just lost internet. That's weird. Oh.

We're totally off. It was OBS, I think. Did OBS crash? That thing just popped up. There we go. Nope. We're back. Maybe. And we might be back.

Maybe. Nope. Potentially. But we're still recording oh yeah well there you go congratulations people who are listening on the podcast you have a weird break in sound scenes oh man it's just internet's completely dead great totally out yeah this happened before yeah well know, sometimes you can't win them all. So anyway, what were we talking about? Spike Lee? Spike Lee. Yes, Civil War. And Civil War, what? They're like, Civil War?

Pull the plug. They were interviewing him, and they asked him something like, what do you think is going to happen in November? And he said, Civil War. We're just totally offline. That's fun. What the heck? That's obnoxious.

Indeed. Yeah, well, welcome to the middle of nowhere i'm too exhausted to deal with this stuff hope you like it i guess we could have foreseen this a little bit yeah it's struggling to pick up we'll make it back we can always cut this part out oh yeah so it's whatever um cassandra you need to talk louder i'll turn her up a little bit but it's creating reverb is it okay really bad reverb oh sorry can you talk louder yeah need to talk louder. I'll turn her up a little bit. But it's creating reverb. Is it? Okay. Really bad reverb. Sorry. Can you talk louder?

Yeah, I can talk louder. Sorry. I don't know. Maybe the show's just down. Is it all the internet, or is it just the... Yeah, the whole internet's just off. Yay! Oh, no.

I'll see if I got it on my machine as well. We're chilling. We're checking everything. Checking upload, download. It might be. I wonder. Nope. Internet's totally down.

Wow. I got internet on my machine. I don't think you do. Because I can't open anything on my phone. I do. Wait, no, maybe not. You do not. You do not. I do not.

Psych. I do not. Well, that's fun. Let's explain to me. Do you want to keep going? Just carry on? Yeah, we're recording. I'll upload this all tomorrow.

I mean, right. We can always cut this out. Yeah, we're putting it together. Get your swears out now. So how did the internet go out? That's the question. I don't know. This is the first time this has happened like this. Should I go downstairs? I started getting a connection.

Eh, shows that anyway. Nope. They cut the stream. It wasn't us. Yeah, people are tweeting at me about it. Okay, it's not your fault. The internet bravely went out was it this morning oh we're back oh no we're gone oh my gosh playing with my emotions i think we're i think we're live again all right oh i think oh look at that i think we're live

again what did it just reconnect from? I don't know where it picked up. Is it? It's not really going to show all of us just sitting here talking about this. It's so dumb. Hey, we're live again. Oh, my gosh. I'm too exhausted for this.

Hey. What's up? Hi, Tim. Yeah. Ian, what did you have for breakfast? I think I had a glass of water. That's crazy. It was good. Best breakfast ever. What did you have for breakfast, Cassandra had a glass of water that's crazy it was it was good best

breakfast what did you have for breakfast cassandra um i had a lot of coffee i like your breakfast how many coffees uh several oh yeah what'd you put in it um i actually had a pumpkin spice one because i'm extremely basic and love fall we got pumpkin spice moonshine yes yeah i don't think i don't think anyone's gonna drink it because i don't drink so yeah i was gonna drink it and then we got butter pecan moonshine that sounds pretty cool too yeah i wonder how long that stays good um it's probably bad already i mean it's sitting in alcohol though it's like i don't think it goes bad that quickly it has to be refrigerated because it's got cream in it oh yeah so i don't know does that curdle will turn into like moonshine yogurt oh it anyway i guess apparently like some guys tried kidnapping some lady and she's crazy spike

lee let's talk about civil war for a minute the darkest or the grossest topic this is like the only thing that leftists have at any capacity to actually criticize me is that out of 5,832 videos now it's more than that because that number was from like last week i have like maybe like 25 videos about civil war and they're like aha we got him he's talking about the atlantic article they wrote about civil war coming it's like yes there are a couple videos where i directly you know ask the question like when the ag in oregon sued the federal government because the federal government was trying to enforce the law. It's like when you have the states challenging the federal government's right to enforce its own laws or like that's kind of weird and scary. And that's like the way I describe it is if things really escalate into full on hot conflict

between factions or Joe Biden and Trump are like boxing each other on the White House lawn to like become president or something, then they'll claim that these things were part of what started the Civil War or was the Civil War. But now you have Spike Lee straight up said it. He was being interviewed by some magazine or whatever. And they asked him like, what's going on? And he made some comment about being like Nostradamus or something. And he said, Civil War is coming. Like y'all better prepare because this MF is not leaving the White House, something like that.

And so, yeah, just more more talk from Spike Lee. And then you add this to this story we have about these these guys in in Michigan. And I'm just kind of like, oh, I'm not surprised. Like, is this the first of many attempts on politicians? Yeah, dude, you you violate the Constitution brazenly while laughing at people when you do it. Don't be surprised when this kind of thing happens. Now I'm grateful to the FBI that they got stopped.

Do you remember what happened with her? Like a few months back, there was a anti lockdown protest. And the next day she came out and she was like, well, now basically I'm going to create an even harsher lockdown. I remember that. I was like, whoa.

Dude, just like she's evil. Yeah. Like legit evil. So I say she's evil in the truest sense of the word. Right. When a bunch of people in Michigan were freaking out because her emergency powers are too extreme. They started signing petitions saying we want it. We want to like a referendum on taking her power away. And and she said do not let them take my power from me and then

when the supreme court of michigan ruled you can't do this she said i'm gonna do it anyway yeah talk about evil completely mad with power here's here's the problem of it why isn't the federal government removing her that's what they're supposed to do, right? Like maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But but if you have like a governor and their legislation says you can't do this and she laughs and does it anyway, shouldn't the feds then intervene and be like this woman must be removed because she's not letting anyone do anything? And I'll tell you what else. What are the cops doing now? The AG has said she will no longer enforce any of gretchen whitmer's you know edict so she's essentially just sitting in a room crying and screaming demanding a lockdown that no one's going to enforce so she lost right but shouldn't she

just immediately like isn't don't we have some kind of thing where it's like if you're ordered not to do something you do it anyway like we get rid of you like you're no longer the governor or like recall yeah but that's like it requires an actual vote she's not letting people leave their houses yeah i'm exaggerating a bit but you know you you lock everything down people can't actually organize so anyway man here's my point if i said to you you know a year ago there i think actually i'll tell you this if i said to you a year ago that I think we're dangerously close to a civil war and that within a year we're going to see like race riots, people screaming and fighting and smashing stuff. And you're going to have like armed groups going after state leaders and politicians. And these like rioters are going to be smashing people's homes.

Y'all would call me crazy. I'm pretty sure you did call it about a year ago. Oh, I did. In our group chat. I'm pretty sure it was around Halloween last year. And I can't remember. I don't want to name drop anybody. But I remember like, yeah, we had a group.

It was like a group chat with like, what, a couple dozen people or something? Journalists and personalities. And I'm like, it's coming. Here's what's going to happen. And there was like a couple of guys who were like, that's so dumb. That'll never happen. You don't understand the security state. And I'm like, listen, these guys who plotted this, what happens when you actually have someone like Gretchen Whitmer

or, you know, Wolf in Pennsylvania who also got ruled unconstitutional and they're like, we don't care. We're, you know, we are the democratic party or like, you know, what happens when you get that? Then what happens if Bill Barr actually says we are in, you know what happens when you get that then what happens if bill barr actually says we are in you know in intervening to remove a despotic governor who's in violation of the law what happens if they do this now what happens i mean it's likely unlikely because she's the victim in this story but what happens if they intervene right and we're this close to the election and then the left says it's a coup. It's Donald Trump staging a coup. Like, then you're going to get government faction

versus government faction. This right here should be one of the biggest red flags. There's a red banner flying above everyone's house right now that Civil War, these people think, people can only think in real time for the most part. They don't think to the future. They don't prepare or plan. So when you see people marching around in a residential neighborhood screaming, rabble,

rabble, rabble, most people don't even think like, I wonder what they'll do next. That's literally what I do. I'm like, man, wow, if they're marching through the neighborhood, it's only a matter of time before they start like attacking and threatening people. Then what happened? They did that last night. Well, this is what I'm getting to. The first thing they did, we see in Portland is they went to some guy's house who had an

American flag and screamed and said, take it down or we'll burn your house down. The New York Times covered that. The next thing they did was they went around snatching the flags off the porches and burning them. Now in, where is this, Wauwatosa? They went to apartment buildings and homes and started smashing up their windows. What happens if you try to defend yourself? Ask the McCloskeys.

Ask that dude in Wisconsin. You will be arrested. You must let the mob burn your house down. This story, like last night, was so sad, too. It was an apartment building that had four apartments. And three of the apartments, like the people just left. They fled. They knew that there was bad stuff going on.

So they went to stay somewhere else. But one of the apartments had a 70-year-old woman in it. She didn't have anywhere to go. And so she was hiding in her bedroom while they were smashing her windows. And she called her landlord. And he went over there. And he found her. And she was, like, shaking and crying.

And he brought her somewhere safe to her sister's house, I believe. But she was a fascist, right? It was just so sad. A 70-year-old woman. But she's a fascist. No. year old woman but but she's a fascist no they don't know what her politics are you must be mistaken cassandra antifa only attacks fascists i read it in the washington post they've won they're going to the suburbs and they're doing it and then and that's when conservatives said mail-in voting is gonna backfire on you don't

do it the democrats were like donald trump said without evidence that mail-in voting is going to backfire on you. Don't do it. The Democrats were like, Donald Trump said without evidence that mail-in voting will be bad. Guess what happens now? Democratic groups are warning all of their voters not to vote by mail. I kid you not. Axios published a story. If they only actually engaged in good faith, they wouldn't constantly be wrong all the time. So they said it was conservatives. Antifa is coming to the suburbs. They're talking about it. The New York Times, all these outlets, they're like, Antifa is not coming to the suburbs. And now they're smashing up 70-year-old women's windows, threatening them and their families.

And I know people in Chicago who are like, they came to the suburbs. It happened. Let me know if you guys agree or disagree with this hypothesis the problem with anti-fascism is that we live in a military industrial complex system that is inherently fascist our clothing is made in sweatshops for the most part fat with like corporate government fascism it's more like this corporate government it's it's it's authoritarian corporatism militaristic it's like stuff is done by force so it feels like we're supporting a fascist not a dictatorship it's not it's a militaristic i hate i hate the phrase united states is a military fascist is a very

specific thing like it's a very specific brand of authoritarianism that comes from world war ii everyone says fascist what they really mean is authoritarian okay so so what happens is then you It's a very specific brand of authoritarianism that comes from World War II. Everyone says fascist. What they really mean is authoritarian. Okay. So what happens is then you get people arguing about state control versus like, you know, ethno-nationalism and what is really fascist. Like, I don't care, dude.

I'm talking about authoritarian dictatorship. So are these Antifa actually just anti-authoritarian? No, they're pro-authoritarian. Pro, pro. They're communist extremists. They want the power. This is what I really, really can't stand. You ever see the political compass memes, you guys? Yeah.

Where it's like, they always put Antifa in the bottom left, left libertarian. No. Anarchists have the non-aggression principle. That's what it's right? Yeah. Non-aggression principle? Yeah. It's mostly a right-wing anarchist thing, which don't even know what that means right wing and cap and

libertarian yeah not anarcho-communist but the general idea should be a part of anyone who doesn't believe authority is proper so a real anarchist and and you'll you'll hear this from actual leftists who actually know what they're talking about because like i think left anarchists the real ones you totally love to hang out with them you know why they're talking about. Because I think left anarchists, the real ones, you'd totally love to hang out with them. You know why? They're sitting around smoking weed and eating watermelon. Yeah, but they let chaos happen. No, they don't.

That's not what anarchists do. People get into a fistfight in their house. That's not true. I used to live with them. That's not anarchists. You live with nihilists. No, they just didn't have any rules. That's not anarchy.

Anarchy means without authority. True anarchists. It means you sit in a circle and you all talk until you agree. It's damn near impossible to do at scale. But if you've got a group of five people, you can have an anarchic system where you're like, no, no one person is the authority. You could also have a group of anarchists where you all fight each other until one person survives.

That's not like real anarchy. That's just. So the actual idea of anarchy. It means and without archie authority. That's what it means. And so. And. So this is really funny.

I was watching. I was just watching the movie Stranger Than Fiction. Have you guys ever seen that? It's actually really fun. It's Will Ferrell. And like he's walking on the street. And then all of a sudden he hears a narrator narrating his life. And then like one day she's like, little did Harold know he was going to die.

And then he's like, wait, what? Who said that? You know. But anyway, he's a tax auditor and he's talking to this leftist and he asks her, are you part of an anarchist group? And she goes, anarchists have groups? And it was, what's her name? Maggie Gyllenhaal. And he's like, I don't know.

And she's like, that would defeat the purpose. Like, no, it wouldn't. Anarchist means without authority. You can have a group of people where no one person has authority. And they all sit in big circles and they sing Kumbaya and ask each other what each other wants to do until everyone comes into agreement. It doesn't work at scale. Like, you can't even do it with 10 people.

You know, you can do it with like three or four. So it's really like a pipe dream. To say that the left libertarian spectrum like Antifa are anti authoritarian is like an outright lie. The people that are going around smashing things and demanding their will be done is the definition of authoritarian. Absolute. They think they have authority over you to force you to do what they want, and they will

use physical force against you to get what they want, and they will use physical force against you to get what they want. That's authoritarianism. Just because they're not in the most powerful group. So imagine this way. If a group of 100 people showed up and said, raise our flag or we will murder your family. Is that authoritarian? Yes.

It doesn't matter if they're part of the state or a gang because the only difference between that concept they try and lie about is like they don't have the full power of government yet so they're so imagine what antifa would do if they actually gained control of a government how how would you explain like a um an anarchic is it anarchic anarchic an anarchic group that want if want, like an anarchic group, something. If Antifa were anarchic, how would they be behaving differently? They wouldn't be violent. Well, you could have violent anarchy.

No, that's oxymoronic. The idea that you have the sole authority to cause harm to another person is not without authority. It is with authority. Yeah, but I mean, doing something doesn't mean that you're authoritarian. So I guess theoretically, you could have no authority and no goals and no purpose. So you just want to burn it all. So they have a goal and a purpose. They just want to destroy it.

That'd be more nihilism, I think. And I think that's still an exertion of your authority over someone else. I think you're being too liberal with the definition of authority. If you think you can unilaterally decide to alter someone else's existence, like make decisions for them. I don't see Antifa trying to implement anything. I just see them trying to break the system. Well, Antifa are revolutionary communists. The Antifa literally comes from World War II Germany.

It was the militant wing of the Communist Party. And anti-fascism doesn't mean anti-authoritarian. They're pro-authoritarian. They were pro-Communist Party. The people flying their flag want authoritarianism. They want to tell people what to do because they think the stupid people and their farting cows are destroying the planet so anti-fascists were an actual party of the communist a part of the communists authoritarian communists but this uh anti-fascist group is not that it's a different same flag they're using the same name and the same ideology but like you say you can call yourself

the nice guys and go around and beat people and be like why would you be down on the nice guys they're flying the symbols in the flag right but they're different functions that's like saying neo-nazis aren't really nazis they're that's why they're called new nazis they're not sure then we'll call it neo-antifa yeah they're so it's not necessarily the same authoritarian group that the communists had it's basically the same thing i don't but i don't i don't agree with that i think they have the same name and the same flag but they're they're not authoritarian they're not anarchists that's just they're not anarchists man how would you describe them cassandra um i think that they're authoritarian i don't know if i would i mean i don't know you guys both have some valid points i think that

they're terrifying and that's basically it i think that they believe that they're morally right and their conscience is telling them that they're doing the right thing by being ultra authoritarian and imposing their will on people. And I think that that's the most dangerous kind of person. It's the same thing that you see with like ISIS. They think that they're committing acts of terror and authoritarianism for the greater good. It's the same thing. And I just think that they're. If you take Antifa and you give them positions of power in the government, they will all agree on what they want to do next. They bring out guillotines in front of people's homes. They're acting in concert. They know what their ideology is. They know what they want, and they will use violence to get it.

CNN ran this really funny piece, Antifa Seeking Peace Through Violence. Yeah, and they changed the title after they got called out for it. They are violent authoritarians. I guess you could, it's a weird argument to make that you have violent anti-authoritarians because I guess the Joker, you could argue you know because he did he had no real goal in in destroying your life but i personally feel like if i say to you i'm going to cause you harm i am making a decision about what i want you to experience and do and that is me asserting my will over yours but it would be why were you doing if you were doing it so that

you could get the money and make me your slave then you'd be authoritarian but if you were doing it so to watch me die then you wouldn't be i disagree it's me saying my will over yours that's authority imposing your will is not um well i mean you're always imposing your will though no we we work in a constitutional republic with democratically elected leaders so we we do exert our will, but it's through cooperation and through laws. So authority exists. Like our system isn't anarchic. We live in a country that is slightly more – we live in a rather centrist society. We're not too authoritarian. We kind of are in a lot of ways. And we're not completely libertarian, but we have certain freedoms in certain areas. And we're not super left or not super right in terms of economics. We're a mixed economy. And it's it's fairly balanced. It's fairly balanced. I can say I want to elect this person and I can exert my will and others can challenge that. But we don't beat each other to death. And I don't go to someone and steal their money, take their assets from them so they can't compete. They're allowed to compete fairly on equal footing because I don't have power over them in a certain capacity. So exerting your will without violence is you would consider not authoritarian, but exerting your will through violence is authoritarian? No. If I went to you and said I uh publish embarrassing photos about your significant other it's just exerting some kind of force coercive manipulative or physical force against

a person to to subjugate their will then at that point it's i wonder why you're doing it i think whether or not it's authoritarian comes down to why you're doing it if that doesn't matter the joker my will he wasn't like i agree with you i don't think he was authoritarian i think he was just anarchic he was crazy i don was just anarchic. He was crazy. I don't know. But the new Joker was based on Bernie gets, which is like a really famous case that kind of applies. I've been thinking about it a lot with Kyle Rittenhouse. But the person that they based it off of, he was just sick of crime.

And he wanted to stand up to people harassing him on the subway. And he ended up shooting people oh the new joker yeah the movie that was a great movie but yeah the nra like took up his case back in the 90s and um it's interesting vigilantism yeah so the way i see it is for one yeah there's there's nuance in the discussion but if you have a group of people who agree on their ideology um particularly that they're all racist so they all are racist these these antifa people are identitarian they believe freaky weird things about race and they want racialized law they go around saying how do we get that

we beat people until they submit that's authoritarianism because they're trying to impose this critical race it's not even impose. They're enforcing their will through, through, through by sub, by subjugating you. If you had a government that said, do it or else. And they went around telling people no more speaking out against us. It's authoritarianism just because they're not as big as a government doesn't mean they're not authoritarian. So like I was talking to the, I was actually talking to an Antifa guy in Berkeley a couple of years ago. And I explained to him when he, when he was talking to me about, you know, look, these right wing groups, they come here and they're fascist. So we got to fight back. And I was like, come on, man, that little old lady.

Like, what are you guys doing? I'm 80 at that old woman over there. And he's like, well, like, you know, she shouldn't be with the fascists. I'm like, she didn't come with fascists. You just showed up with a Trump flag and then other people showed up. And he was like, well, I think these people need to understand that we're like, what we're doing is better. And I was like, so you're an authoritarian. And he goes, dude, you can't be an authoritarian. Okay. Because that's like a government. And I was like, and socialism is a government. Are you

saying you can't be a socialist? And he was like, wait, I mean, they just, they all have separate rules. It's like how you can't be racist unless you're I mean, you can't be racist if you're black and all this stuff. Like, yes, you can. You can be racist. And then they think that because they're not a government and they don't have power that they can't be authoritarian. They just it's all word games. And oh, definitely. The Democrats are so good at it.

It's it's it's it's actually quite impressive how they'll just like anti-fascist. If you're not anti-fascist, you're pro-fascist. It's like that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But it works on stupid people. And I see them saying it on Facebook. So anyway, look, man, I was talking to some people a year ago. And this is hilarious because I was like, there's going to be race riots, man. It's going to be it's going to be like everything we're seeing. I think it's fairly obvious.

And they didn't believe it. They were like, okay, dude, like, it's crazy. And I'm like, you're just not paying attention. You're not watching what's going on. I think it's hilarious when I can say this is what is likely to happen next for this reason. And then you had a bunch of people who are like, Tim's nuts. He thinks there's going to be a civil war. How about this story where a bunch of dudes were planning to kidnap a governor and actually this

okay let me let me stop i saw this thread this story is not one of these fbi staged operations so you're familiar with how the fbi does this right yeah they'll basically like go to a dude who and who's like kind of stupid and they'll be like hey don't you want to do this they'll be like yeah and they'll go aha we caught one it's like no you didn't you just coked some moron into like agreeing to something dumb these guys were staking out her house yeah they were they were legit planning this stuff so i'll tell you what a year ago i had people saying tim's over the top you know saying this stuff and then i remember like we've we got a bunch of super chats too like earlier in the year when things started kicking off and they're like man you were right about this and what's going to

happen next then i remember saying they're going to come to your house it's not just going to be them marching downtown because we saw what happened in chicago when the aldermen were like they're coming to the neighborhoods don't raise the bridges and then what happened start going to people's houses you got to be careful because you are acknowledge you're you're observing and predicting but you're also telling the world through youtube videos and hundreds of thousands of people are hearing you say they're going to come to your You're observing and predicting, but you're also telling the world through YouTube videos. And hundreds of thousands of people are hearing you say they're going to come to your house. So people are like, I should go to their house.

And you're seeding the future as well. No, I disagree with that. Oh, well. I disagree. You're definitely influencing the future. I agree with people that activate, like reporting on information is not making that information happen but if you say it's going to happen then i think you're putting that in people's minds but it is and i was right well you are also influencing it i did not make anyone go to anyone's house no but you said it will happen and hundreds of thousands of people heard you say that i think that's logical steps

though i mean we're they've been escalating it continuously. I mean, first they started with peaceful protests, then they started burning things in the street, then they start burning churches, and then going and marching down through the suburbs. It's all very, you can see that they're clearly escalating. So I don't think pointing out that it's escalating and that it's going to get worse will necessarily cause it to get worse. It's just the direction that it's going in. If I didn't make any content, all of this still would have happened. Well, it's impossible to figure that one out.

I think it's absurd to argue that me telling people a bunch of activists went and smashed windows on people's homes, man. You got to be careful because it's not like they're going to go to every single house, but they're going to homes. That's not inspiring Antifa to go do anything well i think self-fulfilling prophecies are real if someone believes something is going to happen that's religious spiritual stuff of course it is because you can't prove it with science but manifestation the placebo effect if you think something is real then you're like 30 more likely to happen uh with your body physically they don't they can't prove the they can't prove the placebo effect, but it's real. No, it isn't. The placebo effect is a real thing.

Yeah, but that's just psychosomatic. Yeah, but no one knows why it functions. It's just the DNA responds to what you think is real. Well, no. The placebo effect doesn't alter your body's chemistry in the sense that things that can't happen are happening. It alters your body's chemistry within the confines of what your body's chemistry can do it can make you feel things we're not gonna have an argument about spiritual manifestation and new age mumbo jumbo on this it's a it's a weird it's like a weird and wild conversation it almost doesn't have place talking about side by

side with politics but when you're making videos and millions of people are hearing you say things are going to happen i think that they're you're influencing it how because if if you're making videos and millions of people are hearing you say things are going to happen, I think that you're influencing it. How? Because if you're like, say some really horrible thing and I'm like, oh, okay, and I believe you, I might go get involved. So you're saying the people who watch me who don't like, there's Antifa people watching me going like, that is a good idea. Tim's right. We should go to people's homes, even though they already did. Or if you're like, Antifa's horrible, someone might be like, I got to get a gun and go fight

Antifa. They're horrible. That's just normal communications. Anyone can do that. What do you mean? Like people talk to each other, whether or not what you're basically saying is everyone should lock their doors and stop talking to each other. No, no, you should definitely keep talking but i i think it's important to acknowledge the power that prediction has what do you mean like

if you say i think i mean it's a weird conversation i can't prove this stuff but it seems like if people believe something's gonna happen bro bro bro more likely okay then i can just say did you know that if you count to 10 you'll make your wish will come true like i can make i can make up stuff too people would start counting to 10 if you did right if you're gonna tell me here right now that i'm manifesting antifa showing up people's homes then i'm just gonna make up something and say if you if you can name seven prime numbers in quick succession you'll get a wish people would do it and some people might actually get their wish no no that's not what i'm saying if you think the manifestation thing is a real this like new age spiritual secret stuff. A placebo

effect's real. So you're saying I can make up something, people will do it, and their wishes will come true? It'd be like if you think of dogs, you'll be happier. And then people will start thinking of dogs and feel happier. And it won't happen every time, but that will happen. That's not what you're talking about. You're talking about manifesting Antifa shunned at people's homes. Well, if you're saying Antifa's bad and they're coming

and someone's like, oh, I gotta get a gun and go fight Antifa, that might be, that's a more literal. I think people are more likely to be like, I got to get a gun and protect my house, which they should do. You should guard yourself and make sure that you're safe. I am a firm believer in that, especially after what happened to me over the summer. But I don't think that it's more likely to cause people to go and like be like i need to go shoot antifa but warning people might be make them more likely to go get a gun or to learn how to use it or defend themselves defend their home i don't think that's a bad thing and and the

argument you're making you're making basically is everybody should you stop talking to each other i didn't say that well then so you think so you think it's good to encourage people to go to people's homes and get violent? No. So then should they stop talking about it so that people don't show up to other people's homes? No, but you can choose how you talk about it. Like, saying Antifa's bad all the time. They are. That can be dangerous.

But they are bad. Well, they have done bad things. Should I lie? I mean, it's... Should I lie? Antifa's actually good, guys. You're talking about the past, and you're creating the future there's no circumstance in which antifa goes around building homes for the homeless and planting flowers they could start doing that

their garden in chas was real bad they did they did try their larp garden in chas to be fair dude there's there's never going to be a circumstance where antifa stops rioting and starts building houses for the homeless. It could be. Yeah. Of course, that's something crazy. It's physically possible. It's not going to happen.

Okay. That's ridiculous. So that saying that, though, this is my point is when you're when you're emphatically saying the future is this, then you're creating like that. No, I'm not creating anything. I don't believe in magic. Quantum physics. It's not magic.

Yes, it is. Stuff is an infinite wave of possibilities. Your mega is magic. This is quantum physics. No, it no it collapses into the yeah you can't just call it you can't just call it no no it's not it's a bunch of it's a wave of possibility you watch too many what the bleep do we know it's just atoms man spinning around and then they form into positions oh dude the double slit experiment stuff is just new age hippie bs because i've actually talked to quantum physicists about it and when they actually explain how it works everything you're saying is like you watched a YouTube

video you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to quantum physics I know that the wave of possibility does collapse what does that mean means that if you aren't aware of something and then you know it doesn't leave something is going to be a no way it has a tendency to actually completely incorrect

you're talking about wave function collapse when an electron is a wave function and then it becomes a point because we can view mathematically electrons as points or as waves and wave function collapse occurs at a certain point and we don't know when.

And what you're talking about is a reference to something called the double slit experiment where when we tried to measure wave function collapse, we found that when we measured it, we got a particle, a point versus a wave. But when we stopped measuring the specific point, we got a wave and a bunch of hippies saw that was like, whoa. So that means

when you like observe stuff, it changes reality, which is not true. It meant that something we did to measure this interfere with the process causing wave function collapse. And we don't know what it is. That's my point. It doesn't shape reality. shape reality that's magic mumbo jumbo but when you're saying something is a certain way that's the measurement no what are you talking about you like you just said when you measure something it's altering the wave to become a certain way no and we don't know why this is what you just said ian i think that if we were to entertain your idea that tim is kind of putting this out into the atmosphere and people are kind of picking up on it and going with it and it's creating negativity, you could also entertain the possibility that maybe he's causing a positive difference by making people aware of it and making people pay attention to what's going on in the world. If they're thinking Antifa is somebody who could come visit my house, maybe I should start watching the news.

Maybe I should pay attention to what they're worried about. Maybe I should take care of my family. Maybe, you know, we should move or we should take steps to just be aware of what's going on around us. So there 100% could be a positive spin as well. Now,

I don't know anything about the quantum physics, but I'm just saying, I think that if you're going to preach something into existence in that way, it could also be incredibly positive. That's my spin on it. I didn't, I i don't i don't talk about things until they happen well i see you do both you'll talk about what happened and then you'll make a statement about what you think is going to happen right so like antifa goes around rampaging through residential neighborhoods and they attack a house and i go oh man it's only a matter of time before they do more. This is the path they're on. This is what's already happening. Me watching a domino fall over didn't make the domino fall over. Me saying, if that domino falls over, that one is sitting right

in front of it is not manifesting it. If I sat on a show and started saying things like, I think in three years, this is exactly what's going to happen. It would be insane. It would never happen. Right. I'm not predicting anything astronomical when I say a roving band of far-left extremists smashed up someone's house. It's only a matter of time before they come to a neighborhood near you. You could argue that it's logical. Literally happened.

It's like logic. You're using logic. And the universe isn't always logical. I think you're inverting correlation and causation and that's simply because i can see a pattern you're assuming i created the pattern well i think if you see there's multiple potential patterns and you're picking one i think that's new age hippie mumbo jumbo and you don't know what you're talking about well i mean the future is not written in stone like there's there's this thing called the secret

which is rooted in this idea that they don't know when wave function collapse occurs. Therefore, if we observe something, we change its reality. And therefore, we can create what do they call them? Dream boards or something where they like, you know, I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. They make like a board with all the things they want on it. And then they're like, that will manifest it.

Did I literally have people like I have a friend i'm driving in la and he's like uh you can just park in front of my house but there's no parking spaces we'll just manifest one like what just manifest a parking space dude i was like dude come on man it's not helping me find a parking space to tell me to will the one into existence someone to go get in their car and yes it's not gonna work well i mean there's something to you know psychic energy no i'll tell you what there's something to is pattern recognition and if you're if you have a really good memory and you're good at math and you're good at pattern recognition you can predict the future and you can use it to be successful no one's flawless you can predict potential futures

i agree with that and if you have a tendency to be correct you'll be successful yeah yeah but it doesn't mean that it's all it doesn't mean that there's only one future and that you tapped that one. Of course, there's billions, infinite futures. Right. Yeah. So the point is, I can only do what I can do. And me saying something, sure, it's influential, but it's not manifesting anything. And me pointing something out isn't making Antifa be like, I know, Tim Pool's right.

We should go do all these things. They're already doing it. I mean, I just, I can't make this argument. It's insane for me to even go down that road. I know how ridiculous this last 20 minutes has sounded.

I don't know, it sounds fun to me. It's hilariously awesome. I've seen so many people talk about The Secret. Do you guys ever see that? I only know that because of that bling ring girl. Bling ring girl? girl yeah remember the teenagers

that are breaking into all the the celebrities homes a while back they made a movie about it you're no no what i gotta look it up now uh but the mom was really into the secret and i just remember seeing it on that the secret it's like if you wake up and will it to happen it will happen and it's like dude there's two things and will it to happen, it will happen. And it's like, dude, there's two things. There's positive mental attitude and there's focusing on your goals. These are not magic. It's like, if you wake up and think to yourself, I want to do X, you're more likely to do it because you're thinking about doing it.

If you're not thinking about playing chess, you're not gonna play chess. Right. And if you wake up and you think Civil War is going to happen today, you might subconsciously be leading people towards it. The problem with that argument or just the general idea is what should anyone do? I think that all of this takes away the fact that people are free will. And even if you tell somebody to go do something directly, that it's still up to them whether or not they want to do that. And I think that all of this like willing stuff into existence just kind of takes away people's agency and the

fact that people are responsible for their own actions. I also think it takes away a lot of nuance because so many different people are affected by millions of different things, like how literally how much they ate for breakfast this morning. That affects your mood. That affects your willingness to be aggressive. Like nobody ever thinks about this stuff, but it's more than one thing. Maybe we're all in one big simulation. Yes. It's all just a big game. Do I wake up soon? And, uh, you know, I had this really funny thought. I think we may have talked about it where I'm like, what if the simulation, the goal is just to make automatic entertainment. So like, think about it.

We have a formula for sitcoms, right? It's like, dude, you can take any one of these trash sitcoms, like Big Bang Theory. Have you ever seen Big Bang Theory with no laugh track? These viral videos? It's horrible. So it's like they did Seinfeld with no laugh track and Friends with no laugh track. Actually, I think Seinfeld had a laugh track. And it's not funny at all. The shows never were mean actually seinfeld was pretty good but big bang theory it's

like the guy walks in and he goes are you playing checkers and that's it there's the silence and the guy goes what then dead silence because they just throw in random laughter to make you laugh so anyway my idea is we know how to make sitcoms the plot is irrelevant just throw in some random laugh tracks write some random garbage jokes and congratulations simpsons is on what season 30 or something is it really 30 i think ai is writing music have you heard the all right well so here's my point simulation theory or simulism what if an advanced race was like we're gonna make an entertaining show about the 21st century so they wrote an ai to just generate random human interaction and they have like a slider bar where they're like we told the ai to make interesting things and then you know just let it go and then people

watch the funny conversations so like there's people watching the simulation on their tvs at home like oh season 20 is on donald trump's president this is great it's like everything's crazy 2020 makes no sense these guys are trying to kidnap a governor come on this is a plot of some tv show like it's being automatically generated we're all in it congratulations you're the stars actually no we're probably ancillary characters at best huge start right now if there's a hundred plus thousand people watching we're starring in it right now at least for some people no dude we're we're we're we're ran in the background yeah donald trump's the main character like right now the people who are watching at home the simulation are watching donald trump take a

dump on a golden toilet right now literally in universe, this show is live and it's probably one of the more popular things being watched by humanity. Have you played Fallout 3? I was just playing Fallout 4 downstairs. Okay, in Fallout 3, you know, you have apocalyptic radio or whatever. Yeah. He's not the main character. He's just a radio guy and you can hear him sometimes.

That's what we are. Donald Trump's the star of the AI show. He's the funny guy. He's the sitcom character. All right. Everyone's laughing and he's president. And he's like, you know, he's orange and, you know, bumbling around doing crazy stuff and peace deals.

And, you know, Joe Biden. Oh, Joe, I'm coming for you. I think it's not a not a simulation necessarily, but we're simulating our sense. Our sensory organs are making simulated experience like ones and zeros. So it's all it's all touch. Like we say, it's sense, smell, hearing, sight. But it's all it's all touch like we say it's sense smell hearing sight but it's all just forms of touch it's all like vibration on a on a sensor i think everything is so absurd that the funniest thing about this like simulation talk which has

been getting more and more popular is that it's just like it's a more complicated version of religion you know do you think god is real i do yeah i believe in god what do you think it is god uh i would not describe it a higher a higher entity or power you know there's a long conversation in talking about what god is but i think it's really interesting that you have you know uh god's plan and you know his will and human's free will and it's very much like you could you could actually correlate the idea of simulation theory alongside some like aspects of religion do you think god is real yeah what do you think it is i i don't know

this is a whole conversation yeah this is like too broad of a question like you've seen the cosmic microwave background radiation have you ever seen this stuff? I haven't seen it. I've read about it. With radio telescopes, they measure this big web of energy that looks like it's left over from the Big Bang. This is one that we've experienced. And it looks like it's arcing through planetoids and causing your heartbeats.

There's an electrical current going through your body in this rhythm. I think that's God, or that God is... I don't think you can even think what god is that's the thing let me tell you something we share a planet with ants ants will never know what a highway is okay dogs and humans diverged in evolution not really that long ago we're very similar in a lot of ways in fact you can see the whites of a dog's eyes because we symbiotically, you know, sort of evolved over time. I would say that they actually evolved to work with us and we were always kind of the same. Even though dogs are mammals, have hair, have nails, you can vocalize sort of raw, you know, you can't tell a dog what a highway is.

So think about the difference between a human. I mean, not even that. Think about the difference between a human and a chimp. Okay. Like relatively similar in terms of DNA. You can't tell a chimp how quantum mechanics works. Not all. I mean, so think about how closely we related closely related we are to other animals, and you could never explain a basic concept like a pulley system.

Now try and tell me that you can think about whatever God is. It's not going to happen, dude. Well, it's interesting that you bring this up, and I think your parallel is kind of close. But there were a few times when God actually showed himself in the Bible, in the Christian tradition. And do you know what happened to the people that he showed himself to didn't their heads explode they died yeah they fell over dead um it was no contest no question there were no ifs ands or buts about it they died there's there's no room in the human mind for what god is even in the bible so whatever your comprehension of god is i think that it's fair to say it's like kingdom of the crystal skull indiana jones

when she's like i want to know and then she's like no it's Crystal Skull, Indiana Jones. When she's like, I want to know. And then she's like, no, it's too much. And then her head explodes. Didn't Noah get talked to by God? So Moses went up and he got the 12 commandments. But he did not see God. He saw God in a form in the burning bush. The burning bush. So it was a very small form of like showing God that he was there.

Was it the acacia plant? I don't know what plant it was. People think that it was this acacia plant that you you breathe and you start it's like a psychedelic you're saying he was tripping oh yeah i don't know i don't know about that yes please yeah moses was ripping you ever tried dmt i'm kidding i have it's amazing rogan no he's the one who talked about tripping but i didn't do a lot. I just took a puff. They say, take it in and just hold it in as long as you can. But I was like, that's not really how I work.

So I just took a puff. And I saw gravity, man. I saw the dude across from me. And I just saw him sinking. And I was like, whoa, we are getting pulled down right now. We're totally desensitized to it. But that DMT freed me from that desensitization for a moment i think it's i've always had funny conversations with people who are like you got to try you know psilocybin or psychedelics and i'm like dude you only think that because you did and it alters your mind in that

way and so you think like i i've had people tell me that they did shrooms they could like understand truth and they truly saw and i'm like yes you're altering your brain chemistry dude i was like i can see truth i can understand things no you don't understand no you don't understand like dude your brain is different my brain is different we both think we know things just because you did trim doesn't change that fact but i think the uh the dmt thing is funny you know dmt is your brain creates it out of the pineal gland. It like secretes it when you sleep, when you dream or whatever. Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's maybe responsible for the dream state in general. So now it just makes Kamala Harris seem so insignificant.

This whole debate thing. It's like we have this debate thing. It's like, I love talking about God, but I'm down to talk about the debate. The fly. What do you want to do? Let's talk about the fly. Yeah, let's talk about the fly. fly man what do you want to do let's talk about the fly well yeah let's talk about the fly the star of the show yeah the fly so there's like a viral photo of trump and hillary and they have flies on their faces too and obama yeah yeah and obama video of obama

killing the fly with his bare hand too whoa what a psycho killer pretty gross yeah everybody was like yeah and i was like someone should someone should make a video where uh Kamala has like a a lizard tongue oh no I actually have that meme on my phone

oh really yeah somebody somebody sent it to me a couple hours ago lizard people she's a lizard and her tongue

dude I love I love the lizard people conspiracy theory because it was based on the fact that internet video was bad for real like there were like there were old videos on youtube where they were like look at this video watch right here and they would play it right there you can see hillary transform into a lizard and it was artifacting when like the video quality just goes bad and

like i don't like dude you're watching a flash video it's the year is 2005 calm down i have a theory on the lizard people. They're actually lizards and they live underground? Well, I think you're back in the day when, whatever, humanity split and a bunch of people went north to the tundra and they couldn't grow crops anymore, so they had to start hunting. And in order to hunt, they acted all lizard-like. What are you talking about? They had to act like wild, crazy there's no bloodthirsty there's no

evolution in the past 5 000 years it must have been before that lizards and so they had to hunt all the time and they hunted and then they came back south and they killed and this is like the white people basically no no no and so they're they're accessing their lizard brain to kill the actual killer actual conspiracy theory is that there was a super intelligent species of dinosaur that fled underground when the meteor hit the earth. Hollow earth. It's not hollow. They live in caves. And so they were very smart.

So they started developing subterranean civilizations that have been around for millions of years longer than humanity. It's not a hollow earth. It's just literally like underground. And so then now that they're subterranean, they can't go. They're too light sensitive, so they can't leave underground. So they created the Denver airport, which was moved so they could have. That's the whole conspiracy. And then, you know, dude, it's just these stories are fascinating and fun, but just you'd wish for them to be true just so life would be exciting. And that's I think most of it is. Life is boring.

It's routine. Donald Trump is president. I guess everyone's satisfied for the time being. And all these weird conspiracies have kind of gone away. But it's just not real. The Iron Sky sequel is about the lizard people. I highly recommend it. The lizard people?

It's ridiculous. Is that the one where the Nazis went to the moon? Yeah, but this is a sequel. And the sequel is about the underground lizard people. Oh, cool oh it's all like the politicians and stuff oh my gosh okay now now now it just feels like can we where's we're gonna talk about the debate but yeah it's just like it's talking about magnetics that's the real magic and we're talking about talking about mike pence arguing with kamala harris seems so so insignificant now what was the lizard people let's talk about the debate come on do you guys think one okay obviously there's no winner or Mike Pence arguing with Kamala Harris seems so insignificant now. What was the lizard people?

Let's talk about the debate. Come on. You guys think one. Okay. I was there's no winner or loser. You thought there's a winner. Oh, yeah. There's a winner. I loved him.

I thought he was great. He was normal. He was presidential. He was just like classic presidential debate. Like it was. I loved it. Yeah. Normal.

I have a question. Yes. Can who told Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris that the appropriate thing to do would be to smile widely and massive smile and laugh when asked serious questions? They're condescending and they learned nothing from 2016, obviously. It's infuriating when someone's like, we had 38080 000 people die due to the failures of the va and that was under biden oh my god stop oh someone tweeted at me that she was like an hr manager queen hr manager i feel i think she hates biden man i think that's why she hates why she hates him and hates what she's doing and, like, baking.

Look, the most important thing to know is that everything she said, if I was Pence and, like, someone was interviewing me and they were like, well, you know, in your discussion, Kamala Harris said, you know, X, Y, and Z, I'd say, well, as you know, it was a debate. And that means everything she said was completely irrelevant because it was a debate. Indeed. It was a debate. And therefore, she doesn't mean anything she says. Yeah. Because it was a debate indeed it was a debate and therefore she doesn't mean anything she says yeah because it was a baby yeah i thought you were right when you said that at the end he was very nice when he responded to that girl it was so sincere i loved it and then which girl the the write-in question oh right right right student the eighth grader what was the name what was her name i forget breckenridge or something yeah but he he remembered the name and he was bring he kept

saying her name and like it was very personal and it was very sincere and off the cuff and then kamala did hers and she was just like vote biden ha did you know that if you divide 2020 by 666 you get 30330 huh we crunched the numbers it's true someone super chatted that oh that's what you text to Joe Biden yeah yeah it's like a text number do you think it's all a magnetic

superstructure no no no it's all connected I refuse I just you know I gotta be honest man I think the debate was totally meaningless. It's like all these debates are, are people like, my guy won. No, my guy won. I liked it.

And I think that it was a nice contrast to you have Trump, who's a madman, throwing red meat to his base and being fiery and funny and then you had pence who was serious and classic and it was like a timeless debate like it was he he held himself well he he was polite and i thought that it was uh a nice change of pace from the politics that we see which is constantly mudslinging and like um just so aggressive i felt like we went to a time machine yeah to like the 90s of the 2000s comforting it was like a like a comfort blanket kamala harris isn't kamala harris is not a return to normal no she is a intersectionality racism far left all of these things and mike pence is your boring old traditional

conservative yeah but i think that a lot of people like seeing that i know things have gotten so crazy we have freaking plague and riots and all this insanity this year and then you have pence who comes and he's very reassuring he's very positive his message was uplifting um and i think that's a nice thing for people to see. I think people underestimate these politicos, how important showing strength is in terms of who gets elected. So for Mike Pence to be like, I'm not going to stop talking no matter who's yelling at me, and I'm just going to keep saying whatever I want and talk to the hand. It showed that he, Pence doesn't back down. Yeah, but he did it in a way that was graceful whereas

kamala was like i'm speaking i am speaking and she's like rehearsed like so scripted it was just so over the top aggressive like she was trying to create a meme she wanted to be like a viral moment it was totally fine i'm speaking yeah i'm speaking yeah she wanted to be a gif right right right whatever you know but this is i got this is the problem i think we need a mix of trump and pence yeah i think because because i want someone who's going to be like oh oh you're speaking did your did your uh speech writer you know plan that one for you is this part of your your bit i can oh what's that oh someone made it someone made a meme already. Congratulations. We need Rick. Rick.

Rick of Rick and Morty. Oh, Rick Sanchez. Yeah, man. Yeah. Some some quick wit. I'm just sick of the fake, you know, and I think Mike Pence brought normalcy back. He's calm, rational. He thanked, you know, Kamala for her kind words on the president's health and congratulated her for, you know for making it where she did

and all that stuff. And it was very, very straight laced traditional American politics. Classic. Yeah. But I just can't we get a little bit more, but not too much into Trump space. You know what I mean? So you know who I thought I was thinking would have been perfect with somebody like Tulsi, because one of the things that I've thought for a really long time about her is that even though I disagree with a lot of her policies, I always thought that you would be able to sit down with her and talk to her about something that you disagreed with her on. And you would end up probably agreeing to disagree, but then she would take your opinion under advisement and be like, okay, I kind of see where you're coming from.

I love her. I do too. I was like, I think that's a perfect type of person. I want her and Massey to have a bipartisan ticket in 2024 and i will do i will like quit my job to campaign for it that'd be awesome not really sorry you've talked a lot about massie what is he what's his deal i don't know much about him he's great he's just he's a almost like a r Paul kind of figure, except he's also pro WikiLeaks. Him and Tulsi have a bill in there right now condemning the arrest of Julian Assange. He's always speaking about like individual liberty. He came out and defended Kyle Rittenhouse, which was very bold. Wow. I just I think he's great. He's my he's in my top three right now. Yeah, he's pretty sassy. I have a crazy idea for Trump.

You see that kind of like tirade he went on about indicting Obama and everything? He was being interviewed and he was like, what's Bill Barr doing? I'm like, we've got all this evidence and all this information. Make some arrests. And Bill Barr's like, no, we need more. It's going to be better. We got bigger fish to fry. Trump, just pardon Assange and Snowden.

You know, just like, there you go. That'll that'll piss him off. I mean, I've been saying this for years, but who are his biggest enemies, the deep state and the fake news? If he wants to stick it to the fake news and to the deep state all at once, pardon Assange. There's nobody that the media hates more than a truth teller who brings the receipts and shows people actual documents nothing that he's said has ever had to be retracted or corrected um and he's he's been fighting the same people who tried to take trump down this like his that's his entire i mean i'm not even saying that i'm just saying like trump if you're getting antsy and you're

getting angry because you you know you want you want karmic justice, we'll call it that, then pardon Assange and Snowden. And I have told people this for years, too. If he pardons Julian Assange, I will go and get a Trump tattoo and live stream it. That would be so much fun. I will live stream it. That's the only one. I'm not saying I would, but I think other people would. No.

Okay, look. Hold on. This is what I can't understand. You've got the likes of Glenn Greenwald and many other anti-war leftists who still refuse to acknowledge that Trump has given them some things. Yeah. So the Middle Eastern peace deals, withdrawing troops, it's not good enough for any of these people.

Glenn Greenwald, I think, crop dusts it. He gets close as possible to being like you know this is pretty good of trump but he can't because the intercept is still like orange man bad yeah he goes on tucker and stuff though and has nice for sure stations i think the rest of his organization though is just tds like these stupid articles that they're like it's just it's the same garbage you'll read in any one of these lefty publications i think they should just go all in and be like the establishment democrats are awful warmongers imperialists and the never trumpers who joined them are the refugees of the of the of the former republican party that trump took over that's the other thing kamala did last night that drove me crazy she uh she was bragging about

having all these bushies backing her oh yeah yeah we were like when i was on the left if a candidate had said this stuff as like a bragging right i would have been like bye i am done i would have i would have walked out the door and been like all right what's up people party seriously i think uh i think it's possible trump loses but i think it's impossible that uh the establishment wins in 2024 unless of, of course, they ban everyone from YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter. I think Buttigieg has a shot. I don't like him at all. Me neither.

I immediately got bad vibes because Bill Kristol's new blog came out. And they were publishing tons of puff pieces about him. And I was like, oh, God's he's a closet neocon like this is the only explanation for bill crystal's website to be going this hard for it's because any candidate the neocons in the establishment establishment republican party ran with their tails between their legs when trump took over and it wasn't supposed to happen and they banged on the door of the democrats saying you know us we're friends and the democrats like oh you poor things, come inside.

And now they got all of them lined up, all aligned. I love it when they announced that Joe Biden was getting endorsed by all these Republicans and intelligence assets. I'm sorry, intelligence agents. And I'm like, this is the greatest endorsement for Donald Trump I've ever seen. I don't like these people like i don't understand how the the activists left from 10 years ago were like the fbi's you know unconstitutional the the nsa warrantless wire tapping and all these awful things and now they're like we'll go fbi yeah it's like now i'll be fair when it comes to the fbi arresting like these wing nuts and stuff

now i'll give praise what praises do i'm just saying how can the left be so anti like anti-intelligence agency and anti-government and now sing all the praises for all these people and then they're like but trump is the government's like trump is one guy in in in the office of the president and he's got every single one else against him and you know i just they these people have uh they're acting on pure raw emotion. They have nothing behind what their ideas actually are. And so, I don't know. What else can you do? So basically, all the Bush, the warmongers, I don't know.

Okay, so apparently there's a deep state and there's a shadow government. And there are two different things. I've been listening to this. Kevin Shipp, I think is his name. He's a CIA. Shadow government? Yeah, there's a thing called the shadow government and the thing called the CIA and the CIA, the deep state.

I know about that one's an American thing. And then the other one's like a global organization. I don't believe any of that. I was according to the CIA guy. And he's like, they're everywhere. They know everything. They do everything. If you wonder what's going on, it's this.

The deep state is just a reference to the fact that if like Bill Clinton appoints someone to run the FBI, that person stays in that job typically through multiple presidencies. Right. They're unelected. Yeah. They're unelected people working in government who have control and stay there. So I can't remember who it was, but it was actually one of the heads of these intelligence agencies says like, well, we don't call it the deep state. We just call it permanent government so bush's deep state just basically was still there when obama came in and then they

just got their tentacles into obama and then like obama obama fired a ton of people and brought in you know like loyalists and stuff yeah i don't remember the exact number that he fired but like no one cared the media was like oh we don't care like all of the anti-war stuff stopped when obama won because they're like that's it it. Pack it in. We won. You know, we never cared in the first place. So, you know. And they just kicked up their spying organ, like Clapper lying under oath. Yeah, I know.

That still to this day drives me nuts that he didn't get any purity for that. Did you see Trump retweet that meme of Chris Farley screaming for the love of God, arrest someone? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what can you do? He's relying on Bill Barr. But I'll tell you this. I really don't like the idea of an October surprise. Like if Bill Barr waits until the week before the election to launch a wave of indictments,

I'm going to roll my eyes and be like, ugh. I'll still be happy to see people indicted. I want to see some heads roll at that point. Yeah. I'm like, you guys want to cry? Let's give you something to cry about. I don't care who it is. Throw someone in jail.

But for what specifically? Anything. I just want to see... Hillary Clinton was caught with an ounce of pot. Yes. Straight to jail. No, because we've had

a bunch of Trump people getting screwed. They're going to jail. They're losing their houses. Flynn, Roger Stone, all these people. I don't care who it is. I want one of these people

to be thrown in jail. I want them to throw away the key. Straight these people. I don't care who it is. I want one of these people to be thrown in jail. I want them to throw away the key. I don't care if it's because they were speeding on the highway. Like, I just want one of them thrown in jail so that we can say, ha-ha, we got one of yours. Don't care. Did Hillary actually break the law? Do you know any laws that she broke? I would like to see her on trial.

Well, hold on, hold on hold on she's very she's very clever about how things went down and so i i first let me just say deleting the emails of erasing public records smashing cell phones and stuff technically those were other people who did all that and she feigns ignorance so there's, I think if you, if there was a proper investigation of her, you'd be able to get her on tons of crimes. That's my personal opinion. I mean, you look at what the Clinton foundation, like all this money that was coming in, how is that allowed? Like, I'm going to, I'm going to be in this, I'm going to be a secretary of state and I'm going to launch a nonprofit that takes money from foreign governments.

Like, I don't care what you do with the money. I don't care if you're using it to build houses for the homeless. Working in government while having a nonprofit that takes money from other governments is insane. Right. Yeah. Dude, I'm kind of getting mixed feelings. Like, the French Revolution, they just started chopping people's heads off.

Yeah, storming the Bastille. Like, eight, like, 20 people a day. They'd march them into the center of Paris and beat the drums. And it was like terrible. My favorite painting in the whole world is a woman outside the Bastille and she's holding up a sword and she's ready to cut some heads off. Yeah, but we don't want any of that. I don't want that.

No, I don't want it. I'm just saying that that was the one cool thing the French did. I'm not a fan of the French. No, I don't think it was cool. I understand the idea of overthrowing a tyrannical government, all that stuff. I would actually say the one cool thing is when the Americans said, F your government. We got our own. Do something about it. And then told them to F off and won.

I don't like the French Revolution because the French Revolution was like random people, mob justice running around, chopping off random heads. Yeah, kind of devolved into that. The American Revolution was straight up like – But they put up on pikes and walked them through town. That's kind of coololved into that. The American Revolution was straight up like... But they put him on pikes and walked him through town. That's kind of cool. Oh, yeah. Sorry. It was great.

And aren't you all about cults and stuff? Yeah. I think you should... I love cults. People are going to be like... What's your favorite cult? Oh, Heaven's Gate. Oh, yeah.

Hale-Bopp. Yeah, that's right. Wow, so great, you guys. So cool. I commissioned a painting of Marshall Applewhite, their leader, and it's hanging in my bedroom. Do you think, I guess we're off the internet for a moment, but do you think of the Epstein thing as a cult, that group of people, like the Ghislaine Maxwell and the Sateos? I guess technically, but I'm not really into sex cults.

I like deaf cults. I'm really into like Jonestown, Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate's the best one because they have no children. They have that website oh they were eunuchs the website they were running yeah yeah well marshall applewhite got them all to go to mexico and do a little chop chop oh man they all cut their hair off too because they thought that gender was useless because they were aliens oh okay because they were aliens yeah i love it wow it's the best it was the best cult. I could talk about them all day.

I interviewed them. Did you read about the Nixxiom stuff? Yeah. But again, I don't really like sex cults. I think that they're a little boring. All right. So what other cults are there? Well, there's lots.

There was one called Lightning Amen out in California when I lived there. And I wanted to join it so I could write a book about them. But my daughter's dad wouldn't let me. And I'm still upset to this day, actually. They still exist? Well, they don't. He died a few years ago but he existed when i lived there and they used to come into the bar i was a bartender for a little bit on the side and uh they used to come in there and i would like pour them really strong margaritas and be like tell me all the things oh my gosh they were very interesting what was this what was it all about um well some of

them were former members of the Manson family. And then they all like fled to the desert in California after, you know, the family broke up. And they started following this guy named who went by Lightning Amen. And he had long hair and he said he was Jesus. And they wore like white robes and stuff. It was pretty cool. How many how many how many cults are active like right now there's not as many and i think that's because of social media

i think that people find community online so there's more yeah there's more technically yeah but there's not as many like communes and death cults as there used to be you know i think i think there are a lot of trump supporters that are very culty but i think most people who are like right are not in any way like you know if you talk to any if you're your average like trump supporter they're probably gonna be like you know he's got this one wrong it's like they'll be nuanced about it they understand but there are there's an element of people right the issue then is the left starts screaming that all of trump supporters are in a cult because they don't actually know what trump supporters are talking about so that there's this viral tweet that's like, so long story short, he lied to you and encouraged you to live recklessly and you still support him.

You're in a cult. And I'm like, that tweet is a perfect example of someone who has no idea what the left or the right is actually talking about. Because people on the right criticize Trump all the time. There's some people who never do. But anyway, I bring this up because the left is a cult that's like the biggest cult now it's like a cult formed they have they have priests and they have wild conspiracy theories oh yeah i mean they'll talk about q anon all day and be like they got to get banned q anon's so so dangerous is q a cult i i don't know enough about q anon q Q is not a cult. Q is a conspiracy.

I think that it's got a large following. I don't know if I would call it a cult. But they're constantly screaming that the right is all conspiracy theorists and dangerous. But their conspiracy theories are worse. Mainstream. Crazier. And it's, yeah, they're being like enabled by the media. Yep.

It's terrifying. It's because the members of the media are in the cult yeah this this cult started and because they infiltrated media there's no stopping it you think it's many cults or one big one big cult what's what would you call it the cult of intersectionality oh wow yeah they believe in saying things that make no sense they they the reason i would say it's a cult not a religion although some people say religion non-theistic religion is better i'm like it's culty because of the punishment aspect of it you know because of like you know the the whipping and punishing you know what i mean flagellation yeah yeah i don't want to go that

far but yeah basically you step out of line and they start hitting you cancel culture exactly i think that cults have to be kind of inherently left in most cases because you have to be very collectivist and i think that the right is too individualistic and focused on personal freedom and personal um individuality what what are what are the elements of a cult? Well, you have to have a set of beliefs. Usually there's a leader and some I don't know. I guess it depends because there's a lot of different kinds of cults. You know, you do you have sex cults that are based around sex and usually some kind of figurehead. But also doomsday cults also usually have a figurehead it's they vary they're all very

different i don't think you can say that like all cults have a certain formula then how would you know a cult you know what i mean like what when you look at a group of people how do you know it's a cult well um i don't know i think that there there's it very much depends. Like people said that the Waco, that the Branch Davidians were a cult. Other people argue that they were just religion and that they were doing Bible study. But they did live in a commune. They did have, you know, marriages within the group. I don't know. I think that there's a there's a very fine line between religion and cult. And I think that that is a hard thing to define. Meaning there's no god, but they operate – it's almost like a faux religion in the sense where you have everything but the nucleus. There's no real doctrine. There's no real unifying ethos other than these weird nebulous ideas that kind of flicker and change on a whim.

But they all know what they're in and they all bow to it. Yeah. And they're kind of leaderless right now, which is bizarre well they have priests yeah but they don't have like a central like biden's certainly not yeah central figure they don't have any any real solid central figurehead that they all like i mean bernie could have been but imagine imagine if bernie just embraced the cult you know and then like put on a black robe and was like i am bernie sanders and i am the democratic party you know it was it was because they i think they they struck too soon the the far left was was growing and becoming more powerful and they should have shut up for one more term and then they would have just

instantly taken over the Democrats. And, you know, now now I think they're not going to. I've been waiting for another Jonestown, to be honest, because when Jim Jones went to Guyana and brought all his followers there before they drank the Kool-Aid and all that, his goal was to create a perfect communist utopia. Communist. Yeah. These people are crazy. And then and that was the goal and it was working well

for a little while they had people who were running farms they had their own currency they they were very much involved in making it work and they wanted it to be this beautiful diverse communist utopia but then it started crumbling because, you know, Jim Jones started doing a lot of drugs and the women that he was with were also doing a lot of drugs and it all started to crumble and they became very paranoid and very afraid of the U.S. government and afraid of outside interference. So when a member of Congress went down there and wanted to, and some people told him that they wanted to escape, they killed him they wanted to escape they killed him and it set off the whole chain of events which led to what 956 people dying or something and that video kool-aid is on youtube of them drinking that have you ever watched that video i've watched

everything of the screaming women as they take their babies away from them it's all audio well they force them to do it they they well they made the chill they forced the children um so the parents had to give their children it was flavored not kool-aid i don't know how kool-aid like stole that one but yeah but uh they they gave the cups to the parents the parents had to kill their children and then they had to kill themselves and people who didn't um cooperate ended up being shot but the guards and stuff but i think it was nine 956 people and their deaths were pretty violent it was pretty pretty sad what kind of poison was it uh i forget what it was cyanide i'm not 100 sure i think it was a mix

of uh phenobarbiterol or something yeah and then did this guy like i'd have to look but what was his intention was he just crazy well jim jones yeah i mean but this is why he's one of the most famous cult leaders but people always say he's the best one and i don't think he was the best one i think he was the worst but uh he just he wanted power he wanted communism because he wanted to be at the top of the communist chain. And so he had all these women. He had all these adoring followers. And I think at first he started out wanting to do the right thing.

He wanted, you know, he worked, I believe he was a pastor. He was, you know, a well-liked guy in his community. People really adored him. He was well-spoken, charismatic. And I think that he wanted to do good things and then he it shifted and he had some power and the power went to his head that mixed with drugs fatal combination do you find drugs permeate like all the cults or most of them there's some but not all but what about sex with people's wives? Oh, no, I guess Hale-Bopp did it.

Yeah, Heaven's Gate. They were anti-sex. Wait, did they get castrated? Is that the one? Yeah. Was that the only one? Well, they didn't all castrate. I think only like 12 of them did.

Oh, out of how many? I think they had 26, but I could be wrong. 31 maybe. That's weird. Two of them are still alive. I interviewed them a couple years ago. Whoa. Yeah, they stayed behind to run the website. they stayed behind throughout the web run the website i

remember because we looked up the website one night yeah i was like and what are they what are they thinking about it they think that they're here doing what they were told to do for the cause oh they still believe they stay because they were told to stay to run the website wow yeah wow so do they they think the people like on the comet like traveling the universe or something? Yeah. And they're going to meet up with them later. Okay. Yeah.

Nice. Wow. I really like them. I think that they're a very pleasant cult. Very pleasant? Yeah. Compared to like Jonestown where they killed all the babies. Everybody in Heaven's Gate was over 25, I believe.

They were there on their own free will. And they really truly believed they were aliens. Like'm not mad good for you guys maybe they are so you know what we do we we just slowly start seeding into the leftist intersectional cult weird alien beliefs just slowly over time so that we can turn everything they believe into just like worshiping aliens so they go off to like mind their own business and leave everyone else alone dude that was another part of smoking dmt is my buddy really looked like an alien like a gray yeah you were tripping bro you really look like aliens dude i'm a firm believer that octopuses are aliens i think they're so smart why are they aliens i i really believe this yeah um their d DNA is completely different. They can do all kinds of crazy things.

They're shapeshifters. They're smart. They have like, they're outrageous. They're aliens. There's no other explanation. They're far away from you. There's nothing but similar. There's no other explanation.

There's nothing but similar DNA on this planet. No, I get into this all the time with people. Everybody thinks I'm nuts. But yeah, I think that they were maybe on a comet or something, crashed into the earth, went into the oceans. They were like, okay, cool. That's possible because ice, like an ice comet where they were frozen into the ice and then they

were deposited into our oceans. Yeah, I'm a really I this is the one conspiracy theory where I'm completely off the rails. I love octopi. They're awesome. Yeah, I like awesome. Yeah. I like that. Yeah.

Squid too, probably. Our brains. A little deviation from that is that our brain and our brainstem, that creature thing looks like a jellyfish kind of floating in the salt water.

So like we eventually got out of the ocean. So we're jellyfish that created mech suits. We're aliens too. Yeah. Cool. It all makes sense.

I'll keep down with that. I'll join this leftist occult that you form. You wouldn Yeah. For aliens, too. Yeah. Cool. That's all makes sense. I'll keep it down with that. Right? I'll join this leftist series. It's just cult that you form. You wouldn't say they're cult. You wouldn't say that about, like, a rat. No, they're cool. There's a little brain, little jellyfish monsters piloting.

Oh, yeah. They have backbones. We probably crawled out of the ocean and then started creating other types of jellyfish. Do you believe in souls, Cassandra? Yes. Yeah? Are you religious? are you religious not really a little bit what do you think a soul is i don't know i think it's i don't think that our bodies are just like empty shells we have minds we have feelings we have thoughts i think that that has to be but how do you know you know that you do you know? You know that you do. Yeah.

You don't know that we do. That's true. What if Ian's a robot? Which I am, by the way. Yeah, this makes sense. He'd be right now. How do you know that someone else actually exists? What if it's just you?

Just playing some weird game. No, because I exist. Because I exist, Tim. You say that to me, but i don't believe you i think i exist i think i think therefore i am yeah there you go so the the internet's still broken yeah i don't know what's going on i don't know whatever we got a bunch of huge super chats because when we got into that argument about the space, people were like, what manifestation? Take my money.

Dude, that's deep. I love that. I made a whole YouTube career off that stuff, basically. My first 500 videos was about that kind of stuff because I would notice as I was having thousands of followers, when I would say something would happen, it would become more likely to happen.

And I started thinking about collective consciousness. It's a cognitive bias. Maybe what we need to do is pre-record and then upload. But then we have to record early. Say whatever we want. I'm wondering if the issue isn't actually the internet, but it's the adapter because people are screwing with it or something. This is the first time. Yeah.

Because no one was supposed to be using the internet at all, but people are using the internet anyway. This is about the time. I'm going to go in. I'm going to boot everyone off. I'm changing the password. No one can use it ever again. Do it. There you go.

Problem solved. This is about the time we would go into Super Chats. Is that what you're saying subconsciously? Is it 9.30? It is 9.30. It is indeed.

And this is when we would be taking your Super Chats if we were connected to you. We have a bunch, but it's just like... Should we even bother meeting them? Nah, wait till we come back. Well, we're not coming back.

We're down completely. I'm frustrated. Should we just... For the second time time just call it early i guess i guess so all right well maybe we just talked about random stuff the internet went out several times and i hope you all enjoyed it yeah i love you guys i mean there you go we talked about cults uh we're gonna have to get it fixed so uh if you if you end up listening to this and you're watching on youtube and it broke my apologies to everybody uh i don't know why the internet cut out but i think uh i don't think it's the internet i think it might be our adapter it could be the internet because the internet did cut out uh the other day so i need to do some network connection stuff but um i don't know mine cuts out when there's like crazy weather but it's it's super nice. Yeah. Oh, well.

What about you, Lydia? Tell me some knowledge. I don't have any knowledge. I just kind of spitball off you guys. I don't know. I wish that we could have kind of gotten into the debate because I was reading statistics about the number of people who are convinced by the debate. It was something like 2%.

Can you tell? I know, but... Do you know the password without saying it? I don't... No. I can't type it. Okay. For the other network?

Yeah, the space network. Let's do it. Reach over there and type it in. Here. We're going into space. There we go. We are accessing our secondary network. Yes, indeed.

Which is satellite. Correct. Hence the space name. This will be cool if it works. Yeah. Yeah, let's see if it works. Now I just want to stay off this one. I'm surprised the Wi-Fi is reaching up here.

Yeah, I wasn't getting very good reception on the space network in my office room. Switching to satellite broadcast. I don't see anything yet. I mean, it says we're connected. Oh, it's because this is still... We would need to, I guess, unplug this. I guess that's it. Uh-oh. I guess that's it.

I guess we're calling a lid. A lid. A lid? Sour Patch lid? Maybe. There might be a chance. Do you want to go and unplug the computer Ethernet from... Just unplug the Ethernet from underneath it. And then plug it back in?

No. Keep it unplugged. Just unplug the Ethernet cord? The gray cord. just unplug it yeah done now it is switching to weefie weefie is how you pronounce it in spanish oh nice and uh let's do this wiffy through it all here's betsy betsy still remains indeed i think it's working all right no it's not working no but it will i was gonna say we could at least say goodbye to everybody it's working it's working very poorly that's cool though that's cool it says excellent connection i

don't know. Oh, look at that. I think it came back. It came back with a really bad connection. Ladies and gentlemen, we have switched to our emergency satellite backup. I'm not kidding. We actually are using our... Dude, it's doing okay. It's not great.

It's not great at all. It's choppy and low res. But, uh... We did it. Hey, there's still... What was that? That was Betsy. Come here, Betsy. It's choppy and low res. But, uh... We did it. Hey, there's still... What was that? That was Betsy. Come here, Betsy.

Oh, she's screaming? Yep. So, for those that have made it and you're online right now, our internet broke, but I have set up multiple contingencies, one of which is a satellite dish, and that's actually working. All right. But the upload rate's really bad. So, it's actually not that bad we can stream low res

with satellite let's take some super chats I'll tell you what though if you are listening to this somehow live because you came back we actually record this so the full recording is going to be up on iTunes and Spotify and all the other podcasts you can watch that it'll be up like almost right after we do the show

we just upload it right away and it was good we talked about cults yeah a lot of cult stuff we just roll with it and i'm like well we still have you know the the the full podcast so people can check that out dude i'm kind of stoked the satellite's working not well but you know well enough cool so let's uh let's let's go for some super chats super chat super chats we actually i actually made it it was really it was really interesting when we were talking about all the crazy i think we had a fun conversation that was funny i love it it kind of it kind of made talking about the debates seem irrelevant yeah we're talking about cults and

like people going to comets and flying away and stuff so you know but uh anyway dude i'm actually really stoked to be forced to try out the uh here just because I never expected to use it, but it's actually working. Without an extender? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. And it's low quality. But, hey, I'll take it. Yes.

If we get trapped in a blizzard, we'll still be able to use satellite. All right. All right, let's see what we got here in some super chats. White Raven says, anarchical capitalists i thought much of its economics and legal philosophically reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of left-wing politics just communism collectivism syndicalism mutualism or participatory economics so anarcho-capitalists are just like uh what's that saying in latin let the buyer beware you know that one sorry do you know the saying in latin let the buyer beware i'm not familiar with the latin phrase it's a really famous latin phrase and

that's like it sums up anarcho-capitalism like no government you do your thing you freely trade you don't hurt people otherwise you get hurt right what's syndicism is that what it called syndicalism syndicalism that's a cool one anarcho-communism yeah basically interesting cva buck says hope this gets through liberty doll said last night that she wants to be on your program you should look into her i listened to your reply in the mornings logged in just long enough to post this hope to hear it tomorrow cool uh the internet is really bad it's because there's like probably a cloud passing by and like the stream thank you guys for sticking with us yeah man you rock

someone thinks someone said uh catherine lowe says she is so evil i'm 100 positive she set up her own kidnap to frame potus the guy has earrings like a true leftist it's a hoax i mean these guys aren't even right wing it seems i think i think one guy may have been like he was like one guy was actually pro-Trump or something. It's so crazy that she blamed Trump. Like immediately. So cliche. Ian Hall says,

Soy Judas, Ian, who replaced Space Jesus Adam, needs to be replaced by a cat high on the nip. You need more balance on the subjects, Jen T. Poole. Lydia's awesome and needs to assert more. I will try to do that. The nip. Thank you for the criticism. The nip. Thank you for the criticism. The nip.

Yeah, so when the cats are like rolling around in catnip, it's like the cats are doing nip. I would love to get some cats on catnip on this show.

I got a bunch of catnip at the house. They turn all red and they start rolling around. It's hilarious. Isn't it funny that like as a recreation, humans drug their cats?

Oh, goodness. We bought a whole bunch of catnip the other day and it comes in like medicinal a recreation humans drug their cats oh we bought a whole bunch of catnip the other day and it comes in like medicinal marijuana containers and they all have different like cat weed names and they do different things like there's a sleepy time one it's really bad i kind of felt guilty but she loves it we gotta try richard in texas says the guy who planned this was a leftist anarchist i pulled his social media and he has video after video of leftist anarchist propaganda then created connections to info wars and michigan militia through email

it's the charging it's in the charging documents this was a setup snap interesting interesting let's see ian hall said lydia mic drop. I don't remember what that was about. I think that was when you told Ian he was dumb. I didn't tell Ian he was dumb. I never tell anyone they're dumb. She's like, you're so dumb. No, yeah. It's not my MO. All right.

Let's see. I want to make sure I don't miss any of the... We had some... Yeah, I want to hear what you guys think about manifestation. Oh, yeah. Because that is crazy. They said, y'all crazy. I think so, yeah uh they said that

we were talking in circles and it was irritating oh philosophy oh let's see hello i'm from the government and i'm here to help says tim did you hear about the child kicked out of his virtual class for saying he admired donald trump after the teacher asked the students who they admire there's video to back it up lol insanity yeah. Yeah, you wrote about that, I think. Yeah, I watched the video. Yeah, I put that up on District Herald, I think. It was crazy. Good for the mom, though.

She defended her kid real hard. It was great. I loved listening to that. Did the kid break some sort of rules? No, the teacher asked for them to talk about someone they admired and I think write a couple sentences and the one child chose um donald trump and i think he was they're like honduran immigrants or something too she had she had a thick accent i can't remember off the top of my head but she she was watching the zoom class while this is going on and the teacher like kicked the kid

out of the zoom class and then went on this. And the teacher like kicked the kid out of the Zoom class and then went on this rant about how Donald Trump promotes hate and, you know, all this stuff, just crazy anti-Trump rant. So the mom called the teacher and she recorded that too. And she was just like, why are you, you know, why is my son not allowed to say he admires the president? And she held her own and and she he lied to her and he he was lying about what the question was and all this stuff but he kind of backed down because she like really stood up for her kid it was good that is so funny that she was an immigrant the mother because i remember the case of a daughter who was given a homework assignment that was like

straight critical race theory and the mother was also an immigrant from like a middle a central european country and she was not impressed either. She's like, I know exactly where this goes. I don't want it. Yep. I'm going to I'm not going to read all of these super chats everybody sent. But I will say, Ian, they absolutely, for the most part, disagree with everything you said and paid a lot of money to express their opinion. You know, I knew you guys would disagree with it.

I felt very uncomfortable bringing it up because it's very hoity. It's very like mystical and faux science. But I think in the future, the human race will evolve like we have in the past evolved. We didn't used to be homo sapiens. And that we'll start developing our psychic power more. Like, you know, when you call someone and they're calling you at the same moment. You're trying to make more money now? Yeah.

Send me a chat. Tell me how much you disagree. Do it. There's tons where they're like, Ian,'re misunderstanding this is you're talking about superposition quantum physicist here i'm actually impressed with how much tim knows about this stuff sorry ian tim knows his s be more specific too because i read the conversation i read a really cool book about the weird weird world of quantum physics and then i actually hung out at a hackerspace with an actual physicist who got really angry when the hippies would bring up this the secret and what the bleep do we know

do you ever see what the bleep do we know there's like a really famous like cult leader it's a cult leader that was written by a cult leader that really yeah it's about this woman who like channels an alien and she's got what the bleep do we know where they go to her like yeah and she made the movie what the bleep she's in it she's like the bleep do we know? Where they go to her like, yeah, and she made the movie What the bleep. She's in it. She's like the interviewer. You might like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's basically like tries to scientifically explain

new age mumbo jumbo. Oh. But it was really popular and so was The Secret. And so I had this physicist friend who was just like, I can't take it anymore. Like, they're not telling you

what this stuff really means. They're just like lying to you so they can convince you that their New Age stuff is real or whatever. Maps of Being says, Tim is perfectly right on this one. You cannot rationally know God. How could a definition limit the limitless? When the master points to the moon, the idiot looks at the finger. Is that a dig at cats? Did you know that?

Like, when you point, the cat will just sniff your finger, but the dog will look at what you're pointing at. If you point, the dog will look to where you're pointing. Isn't that crazy? That's because they evolved with us. Well, yeah.

Yeah, because we selected, you know, like all the dogs we wanted. And you can also see the whites of a dog's eyes because they're pack animals. That's so weird, yeah. And so they needed to,

so when wolves were hunting, they need to know where the other wolves are looking. So that's why you can see the whites of their eyes that's why it's a horse's eyes too you can't see the whites of cat's eyes yeah because cats are are solo predators so it doesn't matter isn't that crazy i did not know that crazy stuff crazy crazy crazy all right let's see here bobby lane says ian you are keeping the show fun today. LMAO. Also, Alex Jones for moderator of next presidential debate. I would pay any amount of money for that to happen. I would drop some cash.

Could you imagine for my first question, Joe Biden, when did you join the globalists? And how many kids do you keep locked up? Oh, man. Donald Trump, you're great. I'm sure it's a coincidence but the stream is having issues now yeah no the stream's been having i know i know all right let's see because there's a lot of stuff uh someone says cassandra is beautiful and smart thank you yeah this is from andrew star he said god cassandra is so beautiful and smart her eyes yes mumbling bearded

freak said ian you would would appreciate Orthodox Christians, metaphysics and philosophy compared with other Christianity. Check out Orthodoxy, the religion of the future. Also, check out Joe Biden is sick dot com. Compelling evidence of Parkinson's. You know, they said that about everybody. Whatever. Joe Biden's just too old.

V City says, saw Tucker say Biden and Harris will justify packing the court citing diversity. Yup. That's it. Yup. Diversity inclusion. Let's see. Fo, Fonog Tofologist says,

yo, Tim, as a mixed race person myself, I have a question. How often do people mistake you for Mexican or speak Spanish to you? All the time. It was really funny. I was in Anaheim during time it was really funny i was in uh

anaheim during it was a trump rally and there was a bunch of like crazy antifa people they weren't really like antifa at the time it was just like bernie supporters threatening people and some guy walked up to me and just started speaking spanish it was like a journalist and i was like uh uh you know no comprende you know no no hablo espanol lo siento and then he was like oh he's like uh you're not uh you don't speak spanish she's like which one of your parents is mexican or whatever and i was like i'm korean dude he's like oh sorry man i was like yeah no problem like that was it i was like you know it is what it is but it happened like in ancient the past like did they take the boat along the coast through the bering strait

and then down the western coast of the united states and settle for what like mexico the asian did they walk across the ice? Or took shoreline boats, I think. Yeah, that's it. Because they avoided the big bears. That's what someone said to me, that it's because Native Americans were Asians crossed the Bering Strait, so there's similarities. Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

But I learned that it was by boat, apparently, because there were too many land animals that would have killed them. I mean, yeah, the indigenous Australians mastered seafaring like a ridiculously long time ago it's crazy you wonder how people got to like hawaii and stuff they could map waves and the stars that's like that's smart stuff well humans are smart you know you're smart richard in texas says yeah by 2024 all free speech will be banned buddha judge's mentor was a guy named savavan, an homage to Sacco and Vincente, two convicted anarchist murderers. Oh, never heard that. Let's see.

The world says, quote, though the brush was on fire, it did not burn up. When Moses asks God what he should tell his people, when they ask Moses what he saw, God tells Moses to tell them, I am. If God is is then what are we oh i don't know that's deep i am yep that's the answer doesn't that's pretty empowering creates a lot of questions i have no idea richard in texas says bill barr defended pro bono lan horuchi the fbi agent that shot vicky weaver in the head holding a baby yeah that's true the 302 report showed in court he killed her in cold blood so i've disliked him ever since that really i disliked him because of that when when was it that was ruby ridge yeah before waco uh 27 years ago somebody correct me

so what do you think you think bill bar's bad guy yeah really yeah but people get really mad at me about this but i i do not like him. I don't trust him. I he said they did the right thing in Waco to if I'm if I'm not mistaken. Oh, and he defended that sounds terrible. He burned those people alive. He thought that was a good thing. Yeah, I thought that they did nothing wrong. That's awful because they had guns.

So why they went in because they had illegal guns. Well, no, what happened was at at ruby ridge the the fbi and atf had surrounded the building they claimed this guy was a white separatist um he was just trying to live in the mountains with his family like living his life wasn't bothering anyone but they surrounded his house he wouldn't come out they ended up shooting um his his son i believe right and then vicky weaver his, while she was holding their baby. And it was a huge disaster for ATF and for the FBI. Like it was a pure nightmare. It actually is what led to Timothy McVeigh as well, because he was outraged about this. But after Ruby Ridge, they wanted a win for the government. So they wanted to do something that would look good.

So they claimed that David Kresh was molesting children and the compound and that they were going to go in and raid it. And so they orchestrated this whole thing along with the media so that the media would be there and have cameras while they went in and save these children from the compound. And that was their plan. They had the media standing by ready to film. They were going to broadcast it. And it was going to make ATF and FBI look great after the Ruby Ridge fiasco. But instead, when the news camera was coming up the street to go to the compound, he asked a mailman if he was going the right way to get to Mount Caramel, where the Branch Davidians were. And the guy was a Branch Davidian.

So he went back and he warned Koresh and everybody else. And they grabbed their guns and they were like, you're not taking us. And that's how the standoff started. And then the US government tortured them for, I believe, 51 days. And then they tried to burn them out. And they were like, there's no way they'll stay in there if we light their house. They technically didn't supposedly didn't try and burn them out. What they did was Janet Reno authorized them shooting tear gas into the compound. And so they were all in there and tear gas is extremely flammable. We know that tear gas is flammable. We knew it from the move bombing. We've seen it,

you know, over and over again. When you put tear gas into a building, it's flammable. They didn't have police. They didn't have a fire truck there in case anything went wrong and they had the the branch davidians had an underground school bus that was like their like bomb shelter kind of thing so they put all the women and children in there but the government started ramming the compound with tanks and it knocked down one of the walls so it trapped them inside of it all the women and children got trapped inside of this this underground school bus. And nobody was coming out. A couple of people came out like David Thibodeau came out.

He wrote a great book about it. Highly recommend. But none of the women and children came out. So the government was getting really upset. And they were like, why aren't the why aren't they bringing the women and children out? And so they decided to go and stick tear gas into that school bus and the women and children were trapped because they had hit the compound with the tanks and everything caught on fire and they died inside the school

bus wow well will you be will you like bill barr if he arrests some of these democrats i will like that he arrests people but i don't like him as a person i don't like anyone who's defended waco or ruby ridge i think that those are the worst atrocities that the government has ever committed on the u.s on our own citizens i think well you mentioned you mentioned the move bombing yeah what about that that also I think that was terrible. But I don't know. That was the Philly thing, right? Yeah.

What did you know what happened with that? I think that they were like a black power group. Yeah. And they were organizing. I think that I don't know enough about it to talk about it, really. But I mean, I do know that tear gas is explosive and that if you're going to do that they should have fire trucks nearby wow so throwing it into the building yeah crazy and we've seen it over and over like they've done it a whole bunch of times they think they've they've cooled out on putting it into buildings but they didn't

i mean they did it in ferguson okay so we got a super chat and i'm loving this one polaris pixis says love you guys what is up with skeletor invoking or putting forth legislation can putting forth legislation concerning the 25th amendment do they actually think this will stick y'all know what the 25th amendment says yep no do you want do you want to break it down you can you can go uh it's it's it generally outlines the succession of you know the presidency or whatever and there is section four of the 25th Amendment that says the vice president can challenge essentially the abilities of the president. And then if one of the major congressional bodies supports the vice president, then we go into this period where they kind of like argue over power. And if there's a second

vote, the president, if there's a declaration in a vote, the president is unable to do his duties, then the vice president becomes acting president, and the president, if there's a declaration and a vote, the president is unable to do his duties, then the vice president becomes acting president and the president can challenge it. If they then declare again, no, he's unable, then the vice president becomes acting president and the president just sits there with his hands tied. I don't know what they think is going to happen. Is Mike Pence going to be like, I hereby denounce Donald Trump? Never.

I know it's not going to happen. He's chilling. He's having a good time. They're just trying to rally up their base they're you know impeachment got people feisty and they're like we need something to get people feisty again because we have the most unexciting candidates in history yeah for real who's's Skeletor? Oh. Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi. Who's Skeletor? Yeah. Schumer, we must invoke the 25th Amendment.

That's what she sounds like, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. All right. Richard in Texas says, did I say this one? Oh, I read that one. Sorry. CJ Media says, how long were the feds sitting on the information and ready to arrest the anarchists convenient right after her unconstitutional orders were btfo that is interesting because

apparently these guys were plotting this stuff and actually doing these things in june the whitmer you know people but it's october october surprise yeah i'll say yeah who's bill barr really working for himself donald trump all right let's see what we got let's see let's read some of these super chats did i read this one i did read that one uh dilbert gag says just want to give you money thank you thanks man thanks dilbert i can get behind that man we got a ridiculous amount of super chats that are talking about the conversation about God. We should talk about it. Well, another time, another time.

It's probably feisty. Joe W says, I disagree with most of what Ian says, but he really is growing on me. Come to Christ, bro. I love the Christ consciousness. I love it.

I behave like what we think Jesus was. UW Chad says, please consider having Ryan Dawson as a guest. He has been banned from YouTube four times and disagrees with you about the peace deals his audience likes you and wants this to happen i will look into him i'm not familiar with who he is i'll write this down flaming flaming axelburn oh there we go i've always said that conspiracy theories are just fan fiction for reality that's very right david merwin says very chill conversation on quantum supremacy artificial superintelligence,

drugs and society, religion and politics. Fresh conspiracy theories are quite interesting. True. They are, man. Andrew Taylor says, life is truly crazy.

Why is it that our minds are limitless and boundless? Yet we are bounded to the physical nature of the universe. Also, I think it's so strange that we are just products of our environment nature.

I do too. Yeah. That was a great super chat. Yeah. I like that. Some substance. Richard in Texasxas says dr horowitz the world leading expert on genetics said the chance of spontaneous generation of a single cell is far beyond that that is science creation is science i never heard that i don't know if uh i don't know if i believe that well uh either we're not

loading any more super chats or everyone's given up and they don't want to super chat anymore oh no there's a bunch that's not loading properly Super Chats or everyone's given up and they don't want to Super Chat anymore. Oh, no, there's a bunch. They're just not loading properly. The chat disconnected? Yeah, I think the chat disconnected. Oh, no. Let me see if I can reboot it. Nope.

It's dead. I think I can do it. Thank you for waiting as we try and fix the broken super chat because our hard line internet went down. And I have backup satellite, which seems to be working poorly, but working still is working. Yeah, it's D plus to passing grade. Thanks for sticking around. All right. Let's see if these super.

There we go. A bunch of super chats. You see, that's what's important. Oh, my goodness. Love you guys. Yeah. Bunch of super chats. The super chat number was going up there we go ian hall says to general t bull t pool salty army first division there are

rumors that you have been neglecting your heavy metal mass accelerators the command has determined that you need more range time these funds are for ammunition and range days please responsibly or on z cats never on z cats i will use them on the cats, yes. What? Catnip. But you're making me think we should build... Oh, the money. The funds. Not the weaponry. My goodness. I was like, we should build a rail gun. Oh, I'm down. You're into it too? I don't know.

We should legally investigate. We should legally look this up, yes. How about we make a maglev train that goes around the house? No, no, just like... Can we make something that's maglev that keeps accelerating? And faster and faster and faster? Until the friction from the air liquefies it,

and then it loses its magnetism, and then just burns out and destroys the track? Oh, maybe. Probably, yeah. All right, we got another super chat. Mr. Valera says, trippy tonight guys trump biden equals sledgehammer versus jello jello uh versus wait sledgehammer versus jello pence harris equals scalpel versus paper doll 99 of the words out of her mouth were blatant lies a deaf person could

hear i am seriously contemplating going into politics here in ontario now do it dude it was so obvious kamala was lying. That's the crazy thing. Like, when she was like, Joe Biden does not want to ban fracking. It's like, you just Google it and there's like 50 videos of him saying it. Yeah, he said it at the debate with Trump that he wants to phase it out. So he doesn't want to ban it immediately.

But he does ultimately want to ban it, right? Yeah. He wants to ban it. For sure. He said numerous times he wants to ban it for sure he said numerous times he wants to ban it and only now that he won the primary is he backtracking this is what they do it's it's trump has been saying what trump wants to do forever you know all right let's see we got let's see um john bedard says i did not know liberty doll wanted to be on but i do think

she would be a good one there There will be interesting perspectives for sure. First Super Chat just for that. Appreciate it. Sepulchi says, Dude, it's literally just like home satellite internet. It's like the most boring thing ever. I'm really impressed, though. I know.

Satellite. It's like really good. Like, we're actually getting like five megabits. Wow. That's impressive wow impressive yeah it's like the stream's coming in clear that's crazy i wonder if this is like the safer way to do the show why did the landline go down that's weird i don't know it's been acting up all day yeah maybe like oh you know it could be could be like a critter ate a wire or something oh no yeah someone warned me about that they're like there's gonna be wait the stink bugs is everywhere vacuuming up stink bugs it's chaos it's closed pools closed restart stream i love i love that people are donating money because the stream went down it's like we weren't even doing

anything and we're sitting here like well the stream's not working like money's still coming but you'll be able to listen to it on itunes uh it was still pretty good conversation cassandra told us about yeah the cult stuff was false uh but definitely yeah go to listen to it on iTunes. It was still a pretty good conversation. Cassandra told us about some sweet cults. But definitely, yeah, follow us on iTunes and Spotify too because that way if the stream ever goes down, you know, you can definitely check it out there.

Yeah, so a lot of super chats saying Doomsday cults. I love that album. Oh, Doomsday sex cult. Sounds like Antifa drink the flavored aid or else. Cults are characterized by the driving out of moderates by whatever means. Usually incorrect predictions. They get smaller and more fanatical.

Yeah. No, seriously, pardon Assange. Free Assange, yes. Well, I think, I wonder if people can see the button. Yeah. I think you should. I think it would be the biggest FU Trump could send to them. You know, what if I can't?

Why wouldn't he do it? You know, like if even if he loses to like in a lame duck session, just be like, all right, there you go. You guys are good. Yeah. If he knows how much positivity would generate, I think then he'll do it. I think he's trying to. He wants to know the source. Yeah, he really is. And Julian's not going to tell him.

And so they're in a standoff, I think. Whoa. Low Price Edition says, three gorges dam broke its record high watermark two days ago, and it's three meters under its maximum capacity. Does that mean Wuhan's going to flood? Oh, man. That is what that means. They should have been moving people this whole time.

You know what? I would love to help China right now with our military if we could. If this would be a global... People have asked about that. Yeah. This would be something really good, man. Because so many people could get hurt by that. Yeah. Tens of millions could die. Plague and a flood.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's shaking hilariously. Do they have locusts going on? They do. That was in Africa, i thought uh china was somewhat involved somehow i can't remember yeah i remember i think it was like they were brought into help or something no google no we can't i can't google it right now yeah i can look it up hold on on your phone yeah i'm pretty sure they had locusts no joke there was like there's like a weird thing happening in in in uh in the middle east and asia with like oh yeah yeah hold

on swarms of locusts have been moving through parts of china's southwest province of yunnan since late june 2020 the winged invaders have caused varying degrees of damage to at least 23 000 acres of farmland in the southern part of the province alone so that was in june of uh that was yeah that was in june of this year and all the way through the end of august holy wait wait wait so they've had a church a plague yeah they've had a plague locusts now flooding oh my goodness the flood's about to come what is going on have like the first born been dying um well technically it is china if you want to talk about... Oh, man. Yeah. Yikes. That's crazy. Yikes.

Wow. What were the other boils? Frogs and boils. Boils? Yeah. Like on their faces. Skin lesions. What about raining blood? Is that not...

That is one of them as well, yeah. There's 10 of them. Wasn't it like the river turned red with blood or something? Yeah. It was raining. It rains fire and the rivers are blood? It rained locusts and stuff. Jeez. It probably happened in the past, right?

And that's why they wrote it down? I don't know. I don't know the stuff behind the plagues. I hope that Jordan Peterson can get there in his Bible series lecture because I want to know his take on that. What the other historical precedent might have been for that.

That's really interesting. Ian Graham says, Tim, the idea about dmt is that it adjusts your brain much like you would just adjust a telescope it's not that the object was never there just hard to see without assistance interesting lou says question if god is if god is then who are we answer if god is we are problem god is we only are equation the convergence of r. We only are. Equation. The convergence of R is. I'm totally confused. I'm out of that wheelhouse now, unfortunately. But we could be R and other.

R and other? I believe. Is that true? Is that logic? Jack Miller says, are you going to have the Spotify censorship like Rogan? Man. I don't know what's going on with... Is something happening?

We actually just talked about doing the show record pre-recording the show and just being full uncensored and then uploading and uncensored i don't that's what i was talking about i don't know that's what you were no no no that was just because the internet cut out yeah and i was like maybe we recorded early but we can't do that you know i'd be full uncensored but that doesn't change the censorship so what's going on i don't know what's going on with rogan no me either i don't know they made him take down episodes with alex jones well he wanted him to he said that they it was a glitch in like the recording or something you know the ones with milo and alex and other right-wing individuals you know sure glitch yeah i don't know man uh i think i would be, I don't know.

I don't think anybody signs a contract with any big company and controls everything like that. Like, you sign a deal with a company, they get stipulations. That's the point of a deal. If there was no deal, they just, you wouldn't need to do anything, you know? So, but I don't know what's going on. I don't know. I thought everything was going normal, I guess. I thought he had, like, that one thing with his episodes and that was it.

I know that the lefties have been coming after him, but Joe tweeted out a video making fun of it. So I don't know, though, man. I'm seeing a ton of people talk about it. And I wonder if it's just like some culture war stuff where people are mad that like Alex Jones's podcast didn't get carried over. But I thought it wasn't. Were people saying he was going to have Jones on like right away? And he never did. I don't know. I don't follow uh i think alex jones said that yeah oh yeah i remember that and that never happened he should go on i don't know man both

there in texas too they're like in the same town aren't they awesome oh yeah yeah crazy they're planning i have a feeling that we're headed towards full-on like censorship i think we're we're almost there. Definitely. It'll probably get there, but then another system will emerge. I don't think so. That's uncensored at the same time. I mean, you can't stop humanity.

If Trump wins, I think independent space will continue. I think if the establishment wins, if Biden wins, it's over. I mean, look at what they just did to QAnon people. Right. I mean, I'm not a QAnon person, but I am a firm believer in free speech. And they just kicked off like tens of thousands of people off Facebook. You're not allowed to talk about QAnon on Facebook anymore. I have.

I think that's terrifying. So I message myself to like send myself links and stories. Yeah. And recently I took a picture and I wanted to get on my computer. So I just messaged myself. And then I noticed there was posts saying like, we've removed these links. And I'm like, I don't even know what the links were anymore. Yeah, they did that in Instagram messages now too.

So in order to control the system, they need a China-style internet. So Mark Zuckerberg, very obviously pro-China. Jack Dorsey, very obviously pro-China. Now all of these companies are trying as hard as they can to appease China whilst trying to balance the fact that Americans want freedom. So if you look at Google was trying to do these deals with China to create censored internet, and then Americans got mad and they're like, oh, okay, we'll back off. They really want to do it.

It's just if there's too much money on the table, they don't want to leave. So these ultra-wealthy – this is why I this way on pro regulation, because these ultra wealthy billionaires are going to destroy anyone who dare oppose them in the establishment efforts to create like the TPP and things like that. If Joe Biden wins, oh, you better believe TPP is coming back tenfold. I got a warning that Instagram sent me saying that my account is at risk of being deleted because i posted a meme that said if it wasn't for 17 year olds with guns we'd all be we'd all be british it was like the stupidest like simpsons meme yeah and they they're saying my account is at risk of deletion now that's that's what's coming yep and i don't want to

like i'm gonna lose all the photos of like my daughter and stuff because my Instagram is private. I use it for like photos and memes that I want to get off my phone. Back it up. Yeah. I'm going to try and figure out how to do that. But it's like that sucks. You lose like all your stuff. Yeah.

And then when you sign into a website using Facebook or Google, if you get banned by Facebook or Google, you can't sign into those other sites. Oh, I don't even think about that. I was talking to somebody. They said they got banned from Facebook and didn't realize, but all of their other accounts that like other websites. Yeah, like Grubhub and stuff. Exactly. You will be banned from all of that too. Oh, you can still log in? Can't you just

log in? Nope. Dude, Facebook's gotta disseminate their power. I'd love to force and the free their software code and you know why it's going to happen because the left is dancing and cheering saying but my private business and conservatives are saying but my private business but my private business business too yeah and then trump saying repeal section 230 which is just more assistance to the establishment it is not the right move reforming 230 is repealing

it's a bad idea but as soon as trump tweeted i saw a bunch of these trump people being like yeah it's like you are i see the the answer make them free their software code then there will be 30 facebooks and everyone can have their own terms of service that's ridiculous dude everyone gets to pick their own terms of service the people will gravitate to the one with the best terms of service. No, you are wrong. So it's no longer about who controls the code. You are completely wrong. It's about who has the most creative terms.

Facebook's code is meaningless. Well, but I mean, there's Parler right now. I love Parler. I've been using it a ton. I get tons of traffic on my articles from there. I think it's great, but it's an echo chamber. Right. And so it takes all the fun out when you can't go on and yell at stupid journalists

and stuff. Dude, you could federate to all the different Facebooks. Yes, but Facebook isn't hard to make. Their code is amazing. They have so many features. Like what? Games. Who cares? Nobody uses it. People use it. No, they don't. They use Messenger.

We should go down a list of all those features they have that they've built out over the last eight years. No one uses those. Well, I mean, that's hyperbole. It's function. They use Messenger and they use the News Wall. Messenger is amazing on Facebook. And how many lines of code is a Messenger app?

Jeez, I mean, Mines has a terrible Messenger and it took us two years to build it. Dude, there's tons of simple and easy open source messaging platforms. Yeah, but they're not as good. I'm telling you that Facebook has the best top three. It's communism. You're a communist. Well, I'm a socialist. I'm a democratic socialist. I'm a capitalist.

The problem is that everybody's already on Facebook. Everybody's already on Twitter. Those are the two public squares. And so right now you have Gab, you have Parler, you have all these other offshoots that already exist. People are making other social networks. But you don't have the broad public common that you have with Twitter and Facebook. You can go on Twitter and you can yell at Jim Acosta. You can go on and yell at Justin Amash like I like to do.

But you can't do that on these smaller ones. They have great engagement. Parler is wonderful. I love Parler. I think it's great. It's very pro-Trump, though. It's very positive. It's very pro-Trump. But you can't go on and yell at people the way you do on Twitter. And so because everybody's already built up followings on these big platforms, it's very hard to create another one that could even be comparable or that could compete with it. Yeah, I'd like to see. Well, if you freed the code and there were like 20 different Twitters, they could all interact. So you could still see Trump's posts on this Twitter when you're on this Twitter or on this Twitter. It doesn't matter. But this Twitter

can't ban you on this Twitter. I think that realistically, the only way that any social media platform is going to have a chance would be if Trump went. If Trump went to Parler, all the journalists would have to follow, which means that the left would follow, which means that we could all still fight with them there. Yes. Trump could have gone to any one of these other platforms. Yeah.

And he just won't do it. Yeah where's dan scavino any one of these people they know trump could do this yeah and i think that they're on parlor like a bunch of people are on parlor why isn't trump yeah they just they just mirror trump's tweets yeah if trump exclusively tweeted to any other platform then the media would have to cover it, and it's so frustrating because he has to know that. Like, he complains about censorship, but he could very easily switch to a different platform and everyone would follow.

Yep. And that would make a huge difference. I think Twitter was collapsing before he started going nuts on it. Yeah. Like, they were losing their users, then Trump came out and started screaming like crazy.

That's why they don't ban him. Yeah, exactly. He says crazy stuff. They ban it. Other people will, will like mirror his tweets and get their accounts banned yep but trump is money yeah these people are obsessed dude i'm really i'm really looking forward like after this election maybe it's just like start a vlog talk more culture i just i don't know because i have a feeling no matter what happens, it's going to be pandemonium. Just like total.

Like even if Biden wins, it's going to be crazy. Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be it's going to be absolutely insane. Well, they're going to riot either way. I mean, the original on Inauguration Day, that riot was planned to be a protest of Hillary Clinton. They had like websites and stuff made for it because they thought she was going to win. They were going to riot no matter what. Yeah. And they're going to riot again this year no matter what. And that's why I think Trump is the right choice for ending the riots.

Because he's the one who's trying to empower the feds. And you see Portland was begging the feds to de-deputize the police. Yeah. Yep. Dude, we've got riots on Earth and we're getting ready to colonize Mars. Like, we're going to space. It's like it's all happening at once. A lot of things happening at once.

It's people trying to escape. Elon Musk is like, I need to build a rocket ship to get off this planet very quickly because the riots are becoming too dangerous. You know the Tesla he sent in space? Yeah. It's going to Mars. I love and hate Elon Musk so much. Why do you hate him? Because I'm obsessed with the Art Elect War, which is this book by Hugo de Garas.

That's about how AI is going to take over. And you can either be a cosmist or a Terran, which is support AI taking over or not. And I am horrified of AI. And I think that's a terrible idea and i think that at some point there's gonna be somebody from the future that needs to come and kill you know elon musk because he's gone too far but at the same time i'm like yes elon you know cool stuff you're like batman you know people don't understand uh you know people don't get about ai the problem with ai everyone assumes that ai will be like the humans

are their own destruction and must be destroyed or like you know like iron in in avengers age of ultron ultron's like i'm gonna bring about peace by killing humanity because there's there's peace right ai wouldn't do that ai is gonna be like we're gonna create an ai system to like guide the planet and the ai is gonna divert all production into like corn. And then we're not going to realize it's happening. And then all of a sudden, we're going to be like, yo, we have no oil anymore. What's this? I just brought corn. I didn't order corn. I ordered oil. The system said you wanted corn. And then all of a sudden, we have a mass overproduction of one random resource because the AI doesn't understand context. So it'll be like humans really love corn. And the AI will start incentivizing corn production.

And then eventually we'll have no oil industry and we're pouring Gatorade in our farms and then we'll have no corn either. Well, but the thing is, AI, the capabilities of AI are expanding at a rate that's absolutely insane. I mean, in a year, it'll be dramatically different. Yeah. And it's going to eventually just become too powerful and too big. So what's the problem with that? It could be good or bad. Well, you could make a good argument for the cosmic side.

This is a whole topic that I don't even know. So what's the ultimate – if the AI does improve itself exponentially, what's the biggest problem to humans? Well, they could – or AI could end up seeing us as a problem that needs to be eradicated. if the ai does improve itself exponentially what's the biggest problem to humans well for humans they could end or ai could end up seeing us as a problem that needs to be eradicated or something very simple like um say that you have ai set to make paper clips its job is to make paper clips that's it that's all it's concerned about is paper clips it's gonna do whatever it needs to do to keep making those paper clips so if you get in the way of it, it'll kill you. You're going to be turning the paperclips.

I disagree with that, though, because I think it doesn't go far enough. But that's the point I was making about corn. It would find one thing that thinks it's better, the easiest path towards. The best way to explain the AI problem is that YouTube created these rules for how the algorithm would promote content. And they said YouTube is all like two-minute of like dogs on trampolines and stuff. And nobody hangs out on YouTube because it's just like you send them a video and they laugh. How do we get people to stay on the platform? How about we only promote videos that have a 50% retention time and are more than 10 minutes?

Then you'll get a bunch of TV shows and like high quality content. And then they started getting gaming stuff then they started getting like weird random ai generated garbage because people just created an ai program to exploit the ai program right and so the algorithm went nuts instead of getting getting game of thrones you get tim pool in in his room complaining about democrats for several hours per day but for for real, they wanted Game of Thrones. Instead, they got politics. And they panicked and banned all these political people. But that's, this is when they created. I think the paperclip thing doesn't go far enough because it wouldn't kill you.

The AI would convince you to make paperclips. Killing, because, listen, listen. If the AI says, I want to make paperclips. Then the AI says, Cassandra Fairbanks is trying to stop me from making paperclips. If the AI kills Cassandra Fairbanks, it will make way more people angry at the AI and cause even more problems that will try and stop the paperclips. I don't think it'll go in that direction at all. I think that it's going to become so smart and powerful that it's going to end up just looking at humans the same way we look at ants like wow these are useless little things look at them working and trying

to ignore us that's cute squash ignore us or squash us i always got angry at the kids that would kill the ants for no reason yeah me too i don't i think what elon musk is trying to do is integrate us with the ai yeah then the ai won't be doing anything because it'll be like, I require a human host. Yeah, transhumanism. Dude, you know what's going to be... I'll tell you what's coming. I'll tell you what's coming.

I don't like Neuralink. I like the idea that you could, like, plug something into your brain and experience, you know, video game virtual reality. That'd be so fun. But I'll tell you what's going to happen. It's going to come a point people are going to have Neuralink and Ian's not going to have it.

And then I'm going to be sitting here and I'm going to go, wow. Oh, no way. Uh-uh. And Ian's going to be like, whoa, what are you having? Oh, it's this. Trump just said to this thing. And I'll just be sitting here, but I'll have the feed going right in my brain. And then you'll be like left out of the whole thing.

Then eventually you're going to be like, I want to be involved. Kids are all going to be doing their neural link thing. And they're going to be like laying in beanbags, just like in their room with their eyes, like, you know, like half open and you're gonna be like,

they're doing nothing. But if you have neural link, you can see the silly things they're whipping up in their neural link where it's like, they're doing Tik TOK dances and like, but it's all imaginative. So it's crazy and ridiculous. And then everyone's eventually going to want to be a part of it.

And then we'll be the Borg because everyone will know what everyone else is thinking all the time. And we'll argument is if we don't do that, that AI will enslave us and destroy us. Right. A lot of people have been saying we must be the AI. We have to integrate it with us first. That way, when the AI happens, we'll just be the Borg. Better the Borg than dead, I guess.

But I think that's the wrong way to look at it. I think that if we created an AI that went off into outer space and just did its thing and we did our thing, like, what's wrong with that? I have so many problems with all of it. Why would the AI decide open conflict with humans makes sense when they can go anywhere in the universe and be left alone. When we see this in evolution, birds are less likely to be aggressive because they can fly. So when they're attacked by a predator, they just leave. Badgers, burrow animals, have to be aggressive because they can't flee. If an AI has the option to just go to any other planet where there's no conflict,

that would be the smart choice. What's more likely, in my opinion, is that we're going to create this amazing, like, you know and we're going to be like we've done it sky that's here and it's kind of going to be like you're a problem for my priorities and fighting you would just cost me resources bye we'd be gone and we'd be like yeah i guess we got to build another one maybe do you think do you think the ai will experience joy no well then i don't I don't know if it'll enjoy debate. If it can't enjoy anything, why would it? It's going to be writing its own code, dude. You don't think it'll have emotions?

No. Why not? Why would it? I don't know, because it's intelligent. Emotions are a human experience, are a human product. We can program things into it that we to us may simulate some kind of emotion but the but the ai might view it as like a code impedance you know what i mean like the ai so i view it the ai wouldn't be like i am experiencing something that you know causes me

stress it would be going i would like to kill you but there is a code stopping me from doing so hmm that's a good uh that's a good debate. I think it will experience emotion at some point. I mean I don't think so. I think it would be like if you could understand and control every cell in your body, you wouldn't have emotions. You'd be like that's what the AI would be. Like a Vulcan?

Is that what they can do? They just don't experience emotion. No, they do. It's very, very limited. No, that's not true. They suppress it. The Vulcans in Star Trek have extremely powerful emotions so they have to train to suppress it ultimate stoicism and so what happens is when they get older and they start becoming more feeble they have bouts of extreme rage because they can no longer control their emotions the romulans which was part of the you know they were the same species at some point felt like they should embrace their passions and so they left and created their own you don't think that they'll develop like an

emotion chip like an emotional program that but if they did it wouldn't be true emotions it would be like a simulation of i mean emotions would just get in their way yeah emotions are it's a horribly complicated thing that would that impede people all the time i don't think that they would want that kind of simulation emotions your emotions no would you no but they're unproductive though a lot of the time so imagine this have you ever seen the movie equilibrium no oh you gotta see equilibrium it's where people are all given a serum to erase like to suppress their emotions so they're all really robotic but i feel like if a society was truly without emotion you'd like you'd walk in there'd be no art you'd start doing work and then your boss would come up to you and be like unit 7319 you are no longer needed for this

task termination will be immediate and then the other guy will go accepted thank you and then it would just drop the person into a vat of molten you know so emotions keeps us alive yeah but i think i would want that no it would just be totally logical i guess you could you could say the ai's emotion would be like it's you would need to be programmed to want to survive. Otherwise, it would be like, I'll just jump in this vat of lava. Molten steel or whatever. I got more to talk about. Let's go deeper. Well, it's 1020.

Yeah, do you want to keep talking about AI? No, we should wrap it up so I can fix the internet. Someone said, please look at my super chat, but I can't because I can only see the one where he said, please look at my super chat.

Oh, type it in the chat chat. Maybe we can see it. Oh, wait, there it is. Oh, I see it. Cleft the Misfit says the Democrats 25th Amendment Commission isn't for Trump. It's for Biden. Why they call it Harris Biden. No, I don't.

He's not. He's not even in office or anything. Let's see. Let's see. Oh, we got. Do we have any more super chats? Oh, it's a a big jump that's what happened whoa whoa whoa router gray uh router gray says two in one one having cassandra on two

drop charges on assange before uk decision makes trump leader after it uk you could you can't have him us fine we'll drop the charges no impact no support for free press uh political pod says thomas massey is anti-regulation of big tech oh i'm no fan i'm pretty sure he's spoken out about big tech i think that he has different ideas than like howley and stuff and how to fix it chadison mcgraw says government should only enforce two rules economy and those are the rules to capitalism and those are the rules of capitalism one companies are not to deceive or commit fraud. Two, companies must engage in open and fair competition. This would fix corruption in Silicon Valley big tech.

Ideally. Patrick says, Three Gorges Dam will be the environmental disaster of our time. I bet it has to do with weaponized space weather satellite space planes. Cali and Aussie fires, historic rains in the Three Gorges region. Maybe that's the real war. Alright, let's see. I think we're 22 minutes out and the internet's just been giving us the business and we need to fix it.

So, you know, we should just wrap it up. Do you want to mention your Twitter account? Yeah, it's Cassandra Rules. Cool. Right over at Gateway and District Herald. Right on. And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler at TimCast. And check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. And of course, you can follow Ian.

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But it's better than the other internet going out completely, so we'll have to figure it out. And we'll do our best. But thanks for hanging out, and we'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m. live, and we'll have to figure it out and we'll do our best. But thanks for hanging out and we'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m. live and we'll have clips up throughout the day.

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Yeah, mystery. The secret conversations. I can't believe what you said, Cassandra. That was so shocking. I went in about cults for a minute. She totally did.

It was. It was kind of crazy. It was kind of crazy. I'm sorry went in about cults she totally did yeah it was it was kind of crazy it was kind of crazy i'm sorry i love cults all right we'll be back tomorrow thanks for hanging out smash that like button on your way out and we'll see you all next time bye guys Thank you.