Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #148 - Chairman Of The Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, In Studio

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, sit down to discuss recent focus on the Proud Boys and what it means to be a member of the group. Enrique answers hard questions from Tim about the history of some things members of the group have done, questions about the group's founder, what it takes to be a Proud Boy, and why they'll never change their name.   Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A couple of weeks ago, we got word that the Proud Boys were going to be heading to Portland. This was September 26th, and I thought it was an extremely bad idea because Portland is the hot spot of Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots and extremism. And so you take a bunch of Trump supporters, you send them into this area. Naturally, Antifa is going to come out. They're going to act a fool and there's going to be violence. And it was particularly troubling because we've already seen this Black Lives Matter Antifa guy tattoo on his neck, stalk a Trump supporter, put two bullets in his chest. So hearing that the Proud Boys are planning on doing this, I was very critical. I said it's a bad idea. And I've talked to a lot of Trump supporters who have actually agreed that there's an issue with respecting, there's a challenge in respecting

the rights of individuals to have their free speech, to hold their rallies and be safe from physical violence. And then going into an area where you know Antifa is saying, we're going to have our rally here. And then it's also, you know, you get Antifa saying, we're defending ourselves because they came to our town. So to talk about this, we have the chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio. And we're also going to talk about the names that you have been called,

your organization, the founding of your organization. And I've got the Anti-Defamation League pulled up. I've got the Southern Poverty Law Center. I've got the AP. We tried to find some of the harshest criticisms in a professional sense. So the AD on the SPLC, because we're not here for softballs. And we're going to, you know, we'll call it like we see it. But I think it's important to actually hear from you, because I heard you are a white supremacist. And I couldn't help but notice that you're not white. Well, probably like really bad at my job, being a white supremacist.

So but thank you for having me on, Tim. I'm probably like really bad at my job being a white supremacist. So, but, thank you for having me on Tim. Um, and I really appreciate that you guys have me on when a lot of people don't want to have me on for some reason. Um, I don't think I'm this giant controversial character that people are portraying us to be.

I think, uh, well, to, to, to give you some, uh, to, I don't know what the right word is for, but I'll say it this way.

We've got a lot of stuff to go through. And, you know, like the criticisms like I literally just opened by saying I was critical of what you guys were going to do in Portland. I think, you know, ultimately everything turned out fine. There was no violence. But when Donald Trump was giving the debate, was when he was in the debate with Joe Biden and he was asked to disavow white supremacists and right wing militias. It was Joe Biden who yelled out Proud Boys. And then Trump said, stand. What do you say? Stand back and stand by. Stand back. Stand by. Well, immediately following this, I saw a wave of journalists saying, do not interview the Proud Boys. I thought to myself, why? Joe Biden called them out, this group. We need to understand what it is and why it should be condemned or told to either stand down or whatever Donald Trump was saying. Why would journalists, even New York Times journalists, say don't

interview individuals that were named in a presidential election debate, potentially one of the most important? So naturally, we actually wanted to get you in sooner it's been you know i don't know we we just kind of do the show i'm not here to uh scheduling is fast and loose or whatever but uh immediately i started having people ask me questions is it true that donald trump told white supremacists to get ready that's what people were asking me i was like that's not that's not true i mean the proud boys are not white supremacists. I think you're wearing a shirt that says American supremacist. On purpose. And you're also not white.

No. It's pretty obvious. Yeah, I do hate to bring it in this direction. But for those that are listening, do you want to describe your ethnic background so they understand? So my parents came, my grandfather came from Cuba right after the revolution. And they're definitely not white. parents came, uh, my grandfather came from Cuba back, uh, right after the revolution. And, um, they're definitely not white. Um, I'm African and Cuban descent from both. Um, actually some of my, uh, ancestors are indigenous to Cuba. And, uh, I don't think I have any white at all. I've never done one of those DNA tests. I've never wanted to spend money on it. I don't care. Cause to me, uh, I've never cared about somebody's race or

religion. It's not a thing for me. Um, and the same thing for the Proud Boys. We don't like when you join a chapter or you try to join a tap chapter and the application process, we don't, we don't ask those questions. We don't ask you, oh, well what, what's your religion? It has those little cards that show you how dark your skin is to see where you check off. We don't have that. Those are real? No, I don't know.

I saw that in one of those. That's a family guy. Family guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. So let me ask you, man. What are the Proud Boys? It started as a joke on Gavin's show. Gavin McInnes.

Gavin McInnes' show. Founder of Vice. Co-founder. Co-founder of Vice, which I give him crap for that all the time. But we started as a joke on Gavin's show. It wasn't supposed to go past the first meeting that they had. He was trying to get his intern laid. And he invited everybody to the bar

on a Friday night. And they came out. And it wasn't supposed to like he did. He made up the name from an Aladdin musical. And he did the tenants and the the the credo, the degrees of membership all right there, acapella, like, like straight. What are you, what are your tenants? And these are the 10 tenants of being a proud boy. And what are the degrees? And he went through them and it was made right there on the spot. And,

uh, it started blowing up and it really started to blow up after the J 20 riots, the inauguration day riots. Cause we, we dared to fight back you know conservatives weren't fighting back antifa was was uh basically burning down the city on j20 uh they were beating up trump protesters throughout the entire election we saw what happened in berkeley and there wasn't like conservatives that that were fighting back and it wasn't like we like they claim us to be like some type of security force.

So something that they always say is like, oh, you guys were doing security for Roger Stone. We never get hired to do security for anybody. We just went to go see Stone at his events. And we just happened to be there. We've never really provided security for anything. So if you ask what the Proud Boys are, in just like the simplest terms, we're a drinking club with a patriot problem is all we are. We don't take ourselves seriously. Actually, outside of media coverage, we're not a boring crew, but we're a boring story. Like if you really knew who we were on the inside,

uh, it's a boring story. It's like, it's not newsworthy at all. So we've, we've become these monsters. And last week, um, we became public enemy number one for Democrats because they refused to denounce Antifa. And they had a problem. They had a problem in the polls. They knew they weren't polling right because of that. And they needed to point a finger. They needed to find somebody. And they could have, Biden could have picked so many other groups.

When they were talking about white supremacy, which is an ideology, or militias, which are actual groups, you could name those. But they decided he made a critical mistake in mentioning the proud boys. When talking about militias, we're not a militia. You know, we don't train a white supremacy. We're not white supremacists.

My chapter consists of 90% of the membership in my personal chapter are all Cubans. Minority is white. Well, when Gavin was like founding it and he was saying stuff like go I'm happy he was joking but he was saying like I'm advocating was he joking I think that's not how they that's right there's a big what if but he says that he was joking and like saying I want violence go get him go get him and then like some people that identified as proud boys like attacked someone and that's where the whole probably our violent organization came from

i'd like i'd ask you for the context of when we attack somebody on that so we premise we just had the dc riot squad these are the daily callers reporters who go on the ground and go to riots and they said they filmed in where was that was that portland or was it was in portland that they saw proud boys yeah and the prop they said they said they saw a couple proud boys really just laying into a guy like brutally beating him and i said are you sure because i know patriot prayer is up in the he said nope these are proud boys and so these are these are the riot crew guys these are the people who are on the ground covering it they work for the caller they're not left you know this daily caller is founded by tucker carlson and they said they saw

proud boys stomping some guy out um well i haven't heard about that story in portland but yes we have gotten into scuffles uh many per se and uh we're not afraid to defend ourselves but don't you going back to the first point i was making we open the show yes don't you think there's a problem if you guys go to portland and then you like you know it's an antifa hotbed understanding i understand you in the united states you have a right to march where you want to march but you're jumping into the fray then antifa is they're all hot and agitated and crazy then they start they come to, they attack you, and then you get into fights. I think I agreed with you 100% when you did the video on our Portland, our September 26 rally, I agreed with you 100%. It would be stupid and retarded for us to go into downtown Portland.

Portland's a very big place. It would be stupid for us to go into downtown Portland, because that would mean that we're actually looking for problems. If we went into, let's say, Chapman Park or Terry Shrunk Plaza, yes, I'd tell you that we're definitely looking for it. But that instance, we'll talk about this specific instance, but I took it to northern Portland. I put the event on purpose. I put it in the middle of this park that has 10-foot fences all around. It's a maze. It's impossible to get there. I communicated with PD. I communicated with FBI. They called it a state of emergency because we were going. So there was a bigger police presence. We actually had a really good event, really safe event. And we were away from Antifa. And the only reason that Antifa went to, there was a park that was close by called Flamingo Park, I think, or Peninsula Park. The only reason that they went there is because I said in a private message that I leaked, I said that we're going to go into Peninsula Park. So the reason why they were there... They were there to confront you. They were there to confront me, but I knew that it was three and a half miles away,

and I knew they wouldn't have time from beginning of this event to the end of the event you don't have to um and a lot of people under your feed said uh don't uh don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake and i i'm a hundred percent for that but not gonna go but i decided to go over there to expose i decided to go over there and i decided to to dare right to go over there and i felt the brunt of it i felt people were like turning on us and like why are you going over there and the reason why we're going over there because the only reason why cops did their job that week and they're going to do their job till the end of the year was because we showed up. They banned CS gas. I don't know if you remember that.

Yep. Because it was inhumane. Tear gas, basically. Tear gas. It was inhumane to use that against protesters. But the moment that we say that we're going to show up, they lift the tear gas ban. And so tear gas is bad for humans,

but it's not bad for conservatives. So they, they lifted that ban on Friday and I wasn't afraid of it. I was like, okay, cool. You, you lifted the tear gas ban.

You're not going to use it on us. We're going to be peaceful and we're far away from wherever action whatever action and as a matter of fact don't quote me on this i'll look up the statistics after this but i think they had the most single arrests that weekend than they had in the previous four months it was like 50 something arrests of antifa antifa yes um and i categorize that as a win but their da isn't prosecuting many of these people. They're just being cut loose. Well, the cool part about it is that some of those arrests were made by deputized federal officers.

And they were supposed to, I guess the word is, undeputize them the day after. And the U.S. marshals actually refuse that so 50 portland police bureau uh cops are going to be federally deputized by the u.s marshals until the end of the year and that means anybody they arrest could face federal charges yes so let's go back so uh to better understand we know the proud boys was a joke gavin uh was he he doesn't know when to stop i'll say that and so he made a joke and then he kept going with it. He kept pushing on it. He's had numerous videos where he's

straight up called for violence. He was at a rally in D.C. where I had some reporters on the ground covering it. And I can't remember what the rally was, but it wasn't that long ago and Gavin was calling for violence. So I know that Gavin stepped down from the Proud Boys.

But that's your founding. This is a guy who's got numerous videos some of them are taken out of context you know there was one video i think where he was talking about you know putting a choke chain on a dog and it was taken out of context to make it seem like he was saying attack people but he's definitely called for violence so i mean this is the i i i believe correct me if i'm wrong the only reason he stepped down was because he was trying to take heat off of some Proud Boy members who were facing prison time. Yes, he stepped down. So to touch on the first subject, he stepped down because he needed to take heat off of this crooked system that was prosecuting our guys. So Gavin threw a comedy show at the Metropolitan Republican Club. And that was on a Saturday.

And then Friday, the whole place was vandalized. They broke the windows. They spray painted the entire building. They put glue on the locks and they put a threatening message on the front door. If you have Gavin here, you'll see what's going to happen to you. And they went through with it.

So they went through with it. So they went through with the night and, uh, my guys were walking back to their car and, uh, they were confronted by Antifa. They were followed and stalked by Antifa. They were confronted. They threw a glass bottle of urine at them. And cops saw this brawl. So the cops went, they broke up the brawl, and they asked my guys, hey, you guys need any medical attention? Are you guys okay? My guy's like, all right, we're cool. And when he asked Antifa, the guy said, F off pigs was what he said to the cops. And nothing happened.

That's it. But something was going to happen because it was a 2018 election and mobs, not jobs. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah. Jobs, not mobs was trending and they needed a boogeyman. So they went ahead and the governor of New York, Governor Cuomo, instructed the AG to press charges on the white supremacist Proud Boys. Didn't do anything wrong. You take it to trial. And they took it to trial. And this is the first time,

maybe I'm blind to the system, but this is the first time I ever see that they did not get to face their accuser. There was no victims. And it's not like the DA didn't present victims. The DA didn't even know who these guys were. The police didn't know. The police took the stand and was very unbiased and told the story. And guess who was the people that took the stand against the Proud Boys?

Sandy Bauckham, which is a journalist. I don't even want to say journalist, but somebody that videotaped the whole thing. Advocacy journalism. Yeah, advocacy. So that's the people that would put it on the stand. So they got, obviously, they got proven guilty by a jury of their peers, but by a crooked system

that probably had already tainted it with all these tweets. I think it should have been done in private. The jury should have been sequestered but that didn't happen it was an unfair trial i mean how many how many fights happen in new york so the the first thing i'll say is four years in four years what's four years four years in prison they're doing four years in prison yeah now that definitely seems excessive they called it gang violence yes so the first thing is in reference to there being no victim it's the state that is pressing charges as the people the

victim was the people there's video footage of proud boys kicking a guy on the ground in the fetal position over and over again so when the when the story first came out the initial reaction we saw because we saw surveillance footage was anti-th a bottle and then Proud Boys run up and start fighting. And then the Proud Boys won very quickly, but kept going as they were still on the ground. And that's where they say the charges actually stem from. But actually, later on, more footage was was released showing that before Antifa even threw the bottle, the Proud Boys were running at them from down the street and then Antifa threw the bottle. The Proud Boys were running at them from down the street. And then Antifa threw the bottle. So I actually covered this.

After they stomped the guys on the ground, which is all on video, they kept live streaming. And one of the guys who was streaming was filming a couple Proud Boys laughing about how they were stomping a guy's head on the ground. And one guy was jumping and going, yeah, I was smashing him. Then when I captured i i downloaded that stream the proud boy when he found out that people were i don't i think the guy streaming wasn't a proud boy quickly deleted it so there's video of i the charges stem from they didn't just win like so here's the argument i was told when i covered this people said just because someone's gone down doesn't mean the fight is over and so they wanted to make sure that Antifa didn't get back up because they were a threat.

But the Proud Boys ran at Antifa and then continued to stomp them and then bragged about it on a live stream afterwards. So I'm not going to tell you that I know exactly the entire story on the video side or anything. But when you're basically stalked, right, your homes get bricks thrown through the window, your tires get slashed, people are shot on the street. Like, when is enough? Like, when is it that we say enough? Protesters are protesters, right? They have a right. And I've always said this. I support Antifa's right to protest something that they don't see, that they don't see as right, right? But they're not coming to protest. They didn't come there. They didn't come there with glass bottles of urine to have a nice time and to not invoke violence. And these

guys are getting stalked on the way to their cars. Okay, so I'm going to defend them to the T. I don't think that some people understand how hard it is, like just being a PB, right? Just being a normal person that thinks that there's something wrong and you don't go to any rallies. And one day you decide, hey, I'm going to go to a comedy show with Gavin. And then there's this giant protest outside and they arrested three Antifa members. I think they beat up a journalist and stole his camera equipment. It was actually an attendee. So I was going to get to that too. One of the attendees of the club was a block away from where that event we're talking about took place.

Antifa beat and robbed him. And I guess – so there were two major incidents that occurred that night. One where I described the Proud Boys run up, fight the Antifa, win, stream it. A block away, a guy leaving the event with Gavin was attacked by Antifa. They stole his backpack and fled. I think the police may have recovered the backpack. I'm not entirely sure. But from there, there is something really obvious to be pointed out.

The left wing activists, they're organized. They have advice from lawyers and they know what they're doing. You guys don't seem to understand how the system actually works. So my understanding of the story when I was covering at the time, after the police came and broke up the fight, I believe you're correct that they ultimately didn't do much, but then came back later with charges. The Proud Boys cooperated entirely with the police, gave them their information, told them what was up. Antifa said F you and ran off. So my understanding is the DA said, if Antifa was caught at the time and we knew who they were, they would face the same charges. But they got away.

The Proud Boys get to go to jail. Do you know what happened to those people that stole the book bag? No, I don't. The DA released them. The guy stole the book bag? Yes. Really? They let them go.

Sometimes bravery is stupid, right? So sometimes being prideful is stupid. Sometimes going to Portland is stupid, right? But like, we don't want to live in fear. You know, these guys are facing the consequences and you should, you should see the letters that they send out. Uh uh they're as bad as the situation that they are in they're they're very like they they they love this right they love this country they love what it stands for and they love fighting for it and as you said yes maybe uh things could have worked out differently maybe we shouldn't have talked to the cops. Maybe we should have just kept our mouths shut.

But would have that been the right thing to do? It's not the smartest thing to do. I think my personal opinion, I understand what you're saying about being stalked. I've seen the videos. I've been comments for a long time. I remember some of the first events where I saw Proud Boys in person confused what they were doing at these rallies because it was this weird, you know, Gavin joke. But I think what you guys need to realize is you have scrutiny. You're named by Joe Biden. And that means you're walking on the razor's edge. If Antifa is surrounding your event and vandalizing and smashing it up, you need to let the police take care of it. And if the police won't, we have a serious problem. But that needs to be the issue that's brought up. So even Donald Trump

has said the same thing. Law enforcement needs to handle it. I understand, especially in Portland, the district attorneys in Portland, Chicago, Fort Worth and New York have been releasing all of these rioters. Joe Biden's campaign solicited donations to bail them out. And so and Kamala Harris did personally. So, yeah, it seems like a very serious serious issue what i see however is uh the american people who are sick and tired of the riots the people i know in the chicagoland area who are sick and tired of the riots and then roll their eyes in annoyance when they hear proud boys are coming around and then it's essentially just going to cause more fighting or not that you guys are on par with what antifa and black lives matter are doing in rioting but that they're sick of all of it and they want the police to

just shut it down. So wouldn't it be better if you guys just didn't get into fights? It would be, I don't think it would be better if you just let cops do their jobs because cops aren't doing their jobs. They're not, it's not that they don't want to, it's that they're not allowed to. So what did it take in Portland? It took two guys with an idea and a phone call to show up in Portland for them to finally do their job. Right? There's different ways that we can go about it.

It doesn't mean that we got to fight every time that we go somewhere because we've grown. I think we've grown a lot smarter. We understand exactly what they're going to do go somewhere because we've grown i think we've grown a lot smarter um we've we've understand uh exactly what they're going to do before they're going to do it and we show up in portland we're far as hell from everything and they finally get arrest they finally get to use their cs gas they were happy they were happy that they got these tools that were necessary to do their job but so if we let if we let police officers and we we, oh, well, we're going to leave everything to the police officers.

Well, we've left everything to the police officers in these cities and they continue to burn. Kenosha happened. I'm sorry. Kenosha happened because of Portland. D.C. happened because of Portland. Chicago's happening. New York. I could keep going.

Atlanta. Austin. Portland is setting an example for this and these guys think that they can get away with it. I'm not saying that we're some vigilantes that are going to fix everything. And we let the police do their job when we went to Portland. We've let the police do their job. Every time that I've been to Portland, the two last times that I've been to Portland, we've let the cops do their job. We just show up.

So first, it was good to see there was no violence. And the way you handled going to Portland, I understand, makes sense. Yes. You got a state of emergency declared. The police powers were restored. But the police have been making these arrests. The first deputization came from Oregon State Police because every time they arrest these Black Lives Matter or Antifa rioters. It's the district attorney who keeps releasing them. The state police actually issued a statement saying, what's the point of, I'm paraphrasing

by the way, what's the point of doing this if everyone we arrest is cut loose immediately and come right back out and riot? So I understand what you're saying. The police were empowered a little bit more. There was a deputization of local police, which we'll retain. And there actually is a breaking story right now that the da i believe his name is mike schmidt in portland cut loose an antifa rioter and the feds immediately came in and issued federal charges good there was a statement made by so so that is one i guess you there's there's pros and there's cons to that

result you know that the increasing authority of the federal government is worrying in my opinion but if local district attorneys aren't stopping these people and we have now 130 plus days of rioting yeah it becomes really really difficult to figure out how to solve this problem so i guess there was in terms of a law enforcement result you got one there was no violence so i can respect that i was wrong about they're gonna you know i i said it's when there's gonna be violence people are gonna I'm worried about it. And it didn't it didn't turn out that way. So, well, you were right. You were right in your video.

Well, what I mean, what I mean to say is, yes, I believe my criticism was correct. Yeah, the potential for violence is great. But I was wrong in that. I absolutely thought there was going to be clashes and violence. We've seen the videos. And I think the American people are tired. And I fully understand what you're saying. And there really is a serious challenge in that we have all of these cities where rioting has kept popping up, notably in the Pacific Northwest.

But it's happened in New York. And we just had L.A. Lakers riots, I guess, in L.A., which was absurd. In Portland, they just tore down a statue of Abraham Lincoln. Now, the Teddy Roosevelt one, it was Indigenous People's Day. Okay, I understand they're mad about both of these individuals, but it doesn't seem like there's a cohesive group. It seems like you have emboldened groups, far-left extremists who have been rioting now for several months of varying ideologies from Antifa to Indigenous rights to Black Lives Matter. You've got the Indigenous activists tearing down Abraham Lincoln, and you'd think that would be

something the Black Lives Matter people actually wouldn't want torn down. You've got the indigenous activists tearing down Abraham Lincoln, and you'd think that would be something the Black Lives Matter people actually wouldn't want torn down. You've got some fringe leftist tearing down Frederick Douglass in Rochester, which is insane, and you think you wouldn't want torn down. But anyway, ultimately, I think, well, I certainly believe, you know, Trump is correct when he says it's coming from the left. The way I described it before is if 300 Proud Boys were marching, you know, in front of my house, I'd just be like, what are you doing? You know, like, why?

I don't get it. If 300 Antifa were marching in my house, I'd be calling the police and saying, you need to get down here because these are the people that put on masks, smash things. We recently saw in Denver, there was a security guard hired by a news outlet, Nine News, and he shot a Trump supporter. According to a reporter on scene, he came up behind her and approached a Trump supporter, police supporter, and made some kind of move towards him. The Trump supporter slapped him in apparently some kind of preemptive or defensive measure, knocking his head off. He took two steps back, and then the guy was pulling his gun out as he was stepping back and shot him in the face as the dude was letting off some spray. We also saw what happened in Portland with Michael Reinhold stalking some Trump supporters

and then calling them out. We got a couple right here. Take it out here. Yeah. And then he shoots him twice in the chest. We're not seeing. So where are the like Trump supporting conservatives that are doing that kind of behavior, showing up to rallies, put them by the left, attacking people, hospitalizing them? Like I mentioned, we do have the example from the DC riot squad of – I believe it was Portland where Proud Boys were beating somebody up.

So there are, you know, there are problems here. But we tend to see the way I describe it is on the left, you have a widespread of blunt force, whereas extremists associated with the right, whatever that really means, it's complicated terminology. You have extremist actions that are extremely elevated in terms of, you know, mass shootings and things like that and bombings. But I don't think that it's fair to connect you to connect you to, say, a neo-Nazi group. You're clearly not white supremacists. No. That being said, some of your members were in Charlottesville.

I was in Charlottesville. So what was that all about? Were you the very fine people that Trump was talking about? I think I was the very fine people that Trump was talking about, actually. I actually went there on their media capacity, um, to record. Um, I also felt some type of way about tearing down statues, period, whether you, their work of art, you know, they're supposed to make you feel some sort of way. And I felt like there was, there was protesters on both sides. There was protesters on the other side that, uh, felt like they needed to take the statue down.

But that didn't mean that there weren't people on both sides that weren't utter garbage. And usually the people on both sides that were utter garbage were the ones sitting in the back and they waited. They waited till like the end of the event to start these clashes. I saw it from my own eyes. Heather Hare lost her life, right? But I saw an Antifa black block with a broken flagpole trying to harpoon somebody. And the only reason that they weren't successful is because that guy was wearing a plate carrier, or else it would have been two deaths. I mean, I'm talking about this guy went, was ramming this thing full speed at him.

And luckily it was broken up and state police was like maybe 10 feet away. And he just turned his back to this. So that, you know, that let police do their job sometimes just doesn't work. Sometimes you have to step in and I'm not saying to be a vigilante. I'm not telling anybody to be a vigilante. And I don't think you should be a vigilante. But sometimes we can do something and we can be smarter. But yes, there was people on both sides that were horrible. But there was people on both sides that I saw conversations where people were having,

hey, I think that we should tear down this statue. It's a statute of slavery. And somebody else was saying, no, this isn't a statute of slavery and they had like their compelling arguments and we don't have enough of that you know and the media that doesn't sell yeah that doesn't get clicks and these media giants are corporations their their main purpose is to make money and that's why they said do not interview the the Proud Boys, even though they got named in a presidential debate, one of the most consequential in our lifetimes. I think it's extremely important to figure out who you are, what you stand for, you know, and what you're doing. In terms of Charlottesville, I believe Gavin issued a statement denouncing the alt-right.

Yes. But you one of wasn't one of the organizers a Proud Boy? He came so so first, we have to see what a Proud Boy is, right? In order to say, well, he's a member or not. So a member is somebody that's integrated into a chapter. Because let's say we're hanging out at a bar. You've heard of the Proud Boys and you want to be part of the Proud Boys, but you're in town. Let's say we're in Miami and you're from New York. So I could give you a first degree.

But that doesn't mean that you're a member. You have to integrate into a chapter what is a first degree first degree is that you claim that you're a western chauvinist and you refuse to apologize for creating the modern world that doesn't mean that you're a proud boy that means like you're you're just taking that that pledge what's a chauvinist in this context well it's funny because we we use words in certain ways in order to get i guess to be provocative like american supremacist i guess it was provocative when i was flying over here but um chauvinist means uh excessively patriotic is what it means what that word means and people get that confused all the time with male chauvinists, which are two completely different

things. Like a person that's a male chauvinist is extremely proud to have a penis, right? Or extremely proud to be a man. A Western chauvinist is somebody that's excessively patriotic towards the West, Western values. And in the case of American Proud Boys, because we have Proud Boys chapters around the world, including in Eastern countries, we're patriotic. We're extremely patriotic towards America. Is that what you mean by West specifically? Yes.

Well, American Proud Boys, yes. But Western civilization also as a whole created this awesome system where we're able to sit next to each other and broadcast to millions of viewers and in the comfort of a studio. Then what's the opposite of that? What's the alternative to Western civilization? Eastern civilization? Well, the opposite would be, yeah, it would be Eastern civilization.

And it doesn't mean, here's another thing, like, just because it's kind of like an America first thing. And then the first thing people think of is like, oh, well, you're crapping all over the other countries. No, it doesn't mean that we're putting other countries last. It means that we want to put America first, whether it's through activism, legislation, anything that we do in our lives, we do want to put our country first. Now we have allies like Mexico and Canada. it doesn't mean that they're last we actually we're the most giving country in the world we could fund the un by ourselves we don't need help but why would we do that so what have they given us so go i don't want to deviate too far i do want to come back to the degrees of proud boy Boy, but I want to take it back to Charlottesville real quick. So who is this guy and who is organizing it?

You're saying that he – was he not a Proud Boy or what? He came to a meeting and after that he didn't get integrated into a chapter. And then shortly after that he decided to do the Unite the Right rally, which is what it was called in Charlottesville. And we saw it coming from a mile away that it was a horrible idea. It was just a stupid idea. Weren't there like avowed white nationalists before the event happened saying they were organizing this, they were coming down? Yeah. There was people that were saying that they're going to come down and they're not not going to tear down these statues but these were these were the avowed white nationalists

so like you knew beforehand who was going to be there we knew yeah obviously you knew it because after he after he announced that this like even the flyer was was cringy you know that's why we knew it wasn't going to be a good event to go to, period. So that's why Gavin said that he disavowed the entire event. And these guys were so stupid that they thought that the first one went so good that they started making Unite the Right 2, which was a complete flop. Oh, that was ridiculous. So let me ask you, knowing who was organizing, who was going to be there, and then even the night before you had these people marching around, as Joe Biden likes to constantly talk about, the people with the torches, at a certain point, don't you say, like, I don't want to be here with these people? Are you asking me personally? Yeah.

You were there, right? Yeah, I was there. Well, I wasn't at that tiki torch march. No, no. Right, right, right. I wasn't at that tiki torch. And I wasn't there as an activist. I was there to record. Oh, okay. I was there. Well, I wasn't at that tiki torch march. No, no. Right, right, right. I wasn't at that tiki torch. And I wasn't there as an activist. I was there to record.

Oh, okay. I was there to record. I didn't really... I did feel, like I just said, I did feel some type of way of tearing down history. My parents... My grandfather's Cuban. And I've gone to Cuba many times throughout my adult life. And I've understood what the consequences of a socialist government is.

I've understood them erasing history. And as a matter of fact, when Che Guevara and Castro were taking over the island from the West Coast to the East Coast, there was this little farm just outside the outskirts of a city that was strategically important for the revolution. So they took over that farm, but they asked the family that was there that they wanted to use the farm as a forward operating base in order to attack the city. Well, when that family declined, they got the two oldest males and they brought them out, they put them on their knees, they tied their hands behind their back and they shot him in the back of the head. And that and the same thing, the same thing that I saw, uh, what they wanted to do in Charlottesville. Again, I wasn't going to go if, if I didn't get a gig recording, I wouldn't have gone.

I would have seen the mayhem from the comfort of my phone, but, uh, it was, it was something that you needed to be there. The media spun it in a way that I've never seen them spin something like that before. Like before I got to my hotel room, that's it. It was, it was chaos and there was chaos. But they focused on small fringe groups. They didn't focus on people. They didn't focus on people. They didn't focus on those small conversations. Actually, that was the first time I met Daryl Lamont Jenkins, and he was having actually a really good conversation with somebody.

Who is Daryl? Daryl Lamont Jenkins, a self-identified member of Antifa that lives in the Philadelphia area, I believe. And I've had multiple conversations with him before, um, out in DC, uh, Portland. I've seen him all over the place, but he did have a conversation. He did have nasty conversations with people, but the media focuses on the bad that's going on in the world. And people like to focus on, Oh my God, the civil war is coming. I don't believe that.

I believe like you go to the grocery store, talk to your neighbor. The country isn't as divided as, as the magic light box makes you think it is. So, but it doesn't mean that we could just sit idly and not do anything. And I don't, I don't want to do that.

So what do you, what, what that. So what's your mission? What's your goal? What's my goal, personally? Or with the Proud Boys, you said you don't want to sit back and do nothing. Something a lot of people don't know is that most Proud Boys aren't activists. Most of them don't go to rallies. Most of them, the only like activism, I guess, that they do is go out to vote. Um, there's a small percentage of Proud Boys that are

politically active. Like myself, I've been doing, uh, I've been active for 18 years. I was a canvasser. I was a campaign manager, um, door knocker. I've worked the polls. Um, and it's always something that I've been passionate about. So, um, our goals are simple. Um, we, we think about the entire organization and basically what we want to do is just make better men in general, better brothers, better husbands, better fathers. Everything else after that is auxiliary, right? And I think we focus on more the celebratory aspect of the West instead of the defend aspect of the West, but we do do both, right?

So let me ask you the very, in my opinion, I can't stand the question, but we'll do it anyway. Will you right now denounce white supremacy? No. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So check this out. Yeah, that's it. That's what they're going to pick up right now. Okay, so unequivocally and I've said this before, I denounce white supremacy. I denounce anti-Semitism. I denounce fascism. I denounce anti-Semitism. I denounce fascism.

I denounce communism. I denounce Antifa. I denounce any other ism, right, that is prejudiced against people because of the color of their skin, because of their religion, because of their cultural background, and anything that has to do with authoritarian governments. And I hate having to repeat that so many times. And I know that there's a lot of viewers here that don't know who the Proud Boys is, but I have to constantly repeat that. I don't like labeling myself. And this is the Afro-Cuban label is something that the media uses all the time.

And I hate putting people in boxes. People shouldn't be put in boxes. Like people say, oh, well, how could they be racist? And here, look, I'll be clear about that. How could they be racist if they have a brown chairman? Well, you could. You could be any color and be racist, but I am not racist. The organization is not racist. We don't care. I just really need to point out how stupid our current media ecosystem is that i have to ask a black man if he's a white supremacist yeah so i recognize the absurdity of the question for all the people in the audience i think it's stupid but that's like i think people

who are like regular moderate americans and conservatives roll their eyes when they constantly hear questions like that but But you have this institution, this news institutions, these news institutions that genuinely don't know or don't care. And so you, you have to sort of have a question like that in a sense to make sure it's absolutely. And,

and, you know, positively clear as absurd and stupid as it is. It's also kind of incomplete. Cause it's like, do you denounce racial supremacy yes yeah of course together period and that should be the argument not white not black supremacy not native american supremacy not jewish supremacy it's all bad stuff being a

racial supremacist is a bad thing yeah well so let me ask you about that shirt okay american supremacist i have here the miriam webster dick uh miriam webster dictionary definition of fascism they say a political philosophy movement or regime such as that of the fascisti that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. So I think you've already explained this. I think the only thing out of that is that you are a patriot. So clearly, let me just ask you, are you for a centralized autocratic

government? Absolutely not. Are you in favor of putting the race above the individual? No. Are you in favor of a dictatorial leader? Nope. Social or economic regimentation? Nope. Or forcible suppression of your opposition? Nope. Do you believe that Antifa should be allowed to go out and protest so long as they don't get violent?

Yes. Do you think that the nation should be exalted above the individual? No. Well, I think the individual, I think the individual, the reason why I'm an American supremacist is because the founding of this country is about the individual. It's beautiful that we have it. But they just wanted to build a nation that was free, that you have your plot of land, you could practice your religion, you could have your family, you can raise them however you want and be free of basically to do whatever it is that you want, right?

And the federal government was built to protect that from foreign invaders. And we've gotten so far past that. It was about the individual. We got, and it's funny because the revolution was started at the basement of a bar. The American Revolution. The American Revolution was started at the basement of a bar. The American Revolution. The American Revolution was started at the basement of a bar. And a bunch of farmers and carpenters and just regular Joes faced off against the biggest

superpower that the world has seen to that time. And they won. And they were tired of it. And they didn't want that. So when the president says, I agree with the president, when the president says law and order, I agree with him because I understand where he's coming from. He says law and order in these cities that don't have law and order.

Too much law and order is bad. Legislators get elected by proposing new legislation, new laws. They don't get elected by deregulating. And I think that's a major problem that we have. And we're so far from that. Free speech. Okay, yeah, the government isn't stopping us from speaking our words, but now the corporations are.

So let me – I'm going to pull up the Anti-Defamation League. And I'm going to show you – I'm going to read what they say about your organization. In fact, they use a photo of you in the Proud Boys. They don't say your name, I don't think. I'm going to read what they say about you and some of their criticism. Is it a good photo? It's a great photo. Yeah, you look very serious.

Yeah. You're shaving, but you have the goatee going on. They say your ideology is primarily alt-light, misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigration. Some members espouse white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideologies and or engage with white supremacist groups. So the first question is, you don't allow women into your organization. We do not. We have an organization that's for women. What's that organization?

Proud Boys Girls. All right. Yep. So they say you're misogynists. I don't have, right, I think we can get into what they actually write down. Actually, let me do this

because they don't actually present anything in that generalization. But here's the background. The Proud Boys represent an unconventional strain of American right-wing extremism. While the group can be described

as violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic, its members represent a range of ethnic backgrounds, and its leaders vehemently protest any allegations of racism. Their founder, Gavin McInnes, went so far as to file a defamation lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center when the SPLC designated the Proud Boys a hate group. So they do point out you have various backgrounds, but they call you violent nationalistic islamophobic transphobic and misogynistic so i don't know if you want to have a direct response to you know what they're saying there and then i'll ask you some questions

okay so um i mean there's a lot of like a lot of words there to dispel but um again it's like a repetitive answer we don't care what somebody's race is we don't care what somebody's religion is are our jokes crude yes uh we joke about all kinds of things we joke about we joke about races we joke i make fun of myself i make fun of the white dudes i always call the the like i said earlier like in my chapter white is a minority so but there's not there's not like this level of seriousness with us and i said we don't take ourselves seriously we take what we do seriously i take what i do seriously but we don't take ourselves serious enough where we're not laughing. Um, where we're constantly on, I feel like we've been put on like this defense. Um, I just came from

AmpFest, um, in Miami and like all the speakers are talking about how, uh, how we should be on how the left is doing this, how the left is encroaching on things and how we're not racist. We're not racist. We're not, I'm tired of that. Like we, in 2016,

we were, we were funny. We were on the offense. And I feel like right now getting labeled everything by, by the ADL, by the SPLC, which is a money mill. You know, they started out, I'm not even going to say I believe this wholeheartedly, but they were started out with good intention to do away with the Ku Klux Klan, right?

And they did. And as the world got more and more peaceful, there was less and less boogeymen and less and less enemies to to grift off of so what do they have to do they have to create these enemies right we're not islamophobic we're not homophobic we're not transphobic we're not any of that they were trying to uh they were trying to i guess make fun of us i didn't i don't know if you saw that like the the pictures they put proud boys hashtag and they had like two dudes oh right yes i did right i actually i called that out as a really good example of the left not understanding what the right is actually talking about or doing yeah and i put up a picture of like gavin making out with i don't know if you saw that

and uh i put that and i put hashtag proud boys and they thought they thought oh oh proud boys are furious about it yeah obviously they have not infiltrated our chats because if they would they'd be like oh well this is like this is play school stuff this is this is the problem we have the media and they've you're you're joe biden made you the chosen boogeyman of these groups. And I thank him for it. And they do? The media? No, I thank Joe Biden. Oh, why do you thank him?

Because people that are going to vote for Biden are going to vote for Biden no matter what. And they're not really actually voting for Biden. They're voting anti-Trump. Right. There's no energy there. But whatever. That's my opinion. Trump supporters are going to vote for Trump no

matter what. But these people in the center that are watching, that are actually trying to decide between one candidate or another, this thing gets brought up. We're a bigger hit than COVID, when COVID should be like one of the main things that both candidates are talking about, um, proud boys comes up in like a little snippet and it suddenly turns into to, to date. Uh, he's, uh,

the Biden camp has sent 14 ads, email ads for fundraising with proud boys, names on it, white supremacy and white supremacy. Um, well, those people that are watching to, to figure out what side that,

which person that they're going to vote on, they come up with proud boys Boys and they're like, oh, OK, well, these guys must be bad because Biden just mentioned them. Well, when you go ahead and you Google and just on the surface, I know that there's like our Wikipedia page is edited by Antifa. But you do just a little bit of digging and they'll understand who we are plus and I'll say this I think first on your show I have 160 guys in my chapter in my South Florida chapter I have 345 which is the last time I checked 345 applications to join my chapter alone and that is something that has expanded across the country. It's the same thing all over the place where they have more people in vetting in the vetting process than they do in their chapter.

He's has grown our numbers exponentially. You're saying Joe Biden has grown your numbers by. Yes. And I think they're happy to. I think Joe Biden's very happy that to hear that. Yeah. Well, he's probably fundraising. He wants a lot of money. Well, he wants a boogey that. Yeah. Well, he's probably fundraising a lot of money. Well, he wants a boogeyman.

Yeah. Right. I need one. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who have been yelling in the comments because, you know, I've been asking you a lot of these questions and, you know, giving some some some critique and pushback. And I'm sure there's much people on the left who are saying I'm not nearly hard enough. But the I think, obviously, the media, the way they frame what the Proud Boys are, who you are, is very clearly fake news. I think when I look at the Anti-Defamation League, they got a bunch of citations and sources for various Proud Boys. And so I'll get into that. I think they're taking a left critical view of you. Some of these things like transphobic,

for instance, I think it's fair to say there are, from a left perspective, there are probably a lot of instances where they could call you a transphobic. My bathroom at my office has a piece of artwork from Sabo that has like half man, half woman that says it. Right? Well, I do it as a joke. Do I treat people that are transgender different transgender different no i don't do i like joking about things yes of course but at the end of the day it's what your actions are not what your words are unless they're words unless they're like very strong words like i i say something because you're trans you get me i don't do that and my guys don't do that well there there are certain people

proud boys uh they're a little spicier than normal yeah you can't control them you know they'll go on tv or they'll be at a park or they'll say something and that reflects on all of you of course that's as a group yes it's it's it's probably as know, you could run PR for one person. It's very easy. But running a PR for an entire group, you know, is scary. But let me tell you something. We're not what the media describes us as. I have the best group of guys that I have ever met, okay?

And I have never, myself, the only time that I've experienced racism is when somebody drops the N-bomb on me from the other side or calls me a coon or calls me Uncle Tom. I've seen it. My guys have never even referred to me anywhere close to what they have. Yes, are we crude? Are we everybody's cup of tea? Absolutely not. they have yes are we crude are we everybody's cup of tea absolutely not we cuss like sailors and it's taking everything inside of me not to cuss right now thank you um i uh i was in portland and i saw a black proud boy and antifa was screaming the n-word and other words at him

and it was just like shockingly gratuitous and he snapped he snapped he pulled away from the group of uh the trump supporters who were marching and he went to cross the street through the police line and i saw another proud boy run up grab him hug him put his forehead to him and said don't let them get to you we're brothers the race doesn't matter you're here with us ignore them i was i gotta say it was shocking to hear the racial slurs being spouted by antifa there's a video of it actually where uh i'm pretty sure i have that video published on my channel somewhere. I have too many videos, but there's also a video of Antifa in Portland screaming the N-word and racial slurs at ICE agents. So I've seen that and I've wondered why it is the media doesn't call that out specifically, because for all the criticism anyone or i could give to the proud boys that's

a criticism that needs to be said of antifa and and these other far-left extremists wouldn't that video wouldn't those videos because i have i have videos like that wouldn't those videos put them on the splc's radar because the splc says that we haven't classified antifa because they're not they don't discriminate based on race. But here we are. I have a whole bunch of those videos. You said that you have some. And I know my guys have a whole bunch.

Oh, yeah. I think I get called Uncle Tom all the time. No, but I understand that the left doesn't take issue with that racial slur. Of course not. But no, they were saying the N-word. They were screaming it. Yeah. And I was just like, I was was standing there like i knew these people were

nasty but that was like they wanted a fight they wanted to fight and they wanted to trigger this guy and it almost worked and uh man i couldn't believe it but uh bringing this up we i have a i think one of the most important stories proud Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter leaders meet to denounce white supremacy. And it looks like we have two Proud Boys as well as a black woman with a Black Lives Matter shirt on. And I'm not entirely sure. It looks like one of the Proud Boys is white, but the other appears to be non-white of some sort. I really hate that they've racialized everything. I hate that I have to bring it up.

I have to talk about it. It really is frustrating and annoying and absurd. But I think it's important to point this story out. This is from 17 News, mystateline.com. They say, Salt Lake City, leaders of a local chapter of both Proud Boys and Black Lives Matter met to denounce white supremacy last week after they were mentioned at the first presidential debate. The Proud Boys said their safety is threatened when people believe they are white supremacists. Quote, I will go out and say that the Proud Boys as a whole, I will say

this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy. The chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake, Utah chapter, who only gave the name Thad, said Fox 13 reported, we are in no way, shape or form white supremacists. We have a vetting system that gets those people out of our hair. We do not have anything to do with white supremacy. We do not have anything to do with the Ku Klux Klan. We denounce those organizations. Then we have another quote from, Proud Boys met with Jakari Kelly, the leader of Black Lives Matter Northern Utah, which is not affiliated with Black Lives Matter Utah, saying, I had no idea who the Proud Boys were. I heard the words Proud Boys mentioned throughout the activist community, and I just didn't know who they were.

And then I started to hear they were white supremacists. Kelly met with Thad and Proud Boys chapter president Seth to discuss myths about both groups. We came to realize we had more in common than not. In order to combat evil and racism and hatred in this country, we do need to be able to reach across the aisle and have these tough conversations that everybody is scared to have. Kelly said the proud boys she met are not white supremacists and said they were proud American men who needed a little bit of respect and education in order to bridge the gaps. I don't care what color your skin is, we're all Americans and we need to find a way to come together instead of divide, said Seth.

Thad, however, singled out Antifa, which Biden called an idea and not an organization at the debate, saying they are a problem. They are not. They are not an idea. They are very much an organization. They are in terrorist cells. That's why they say they are not an organization. They function autonomously in cells, much like terrorists. According to KUTV, Thad said the SPLC and the ADL, along with mainstream media, had created a misconception about the group, blaming violence that has taken place at certain Proud Boys events on provocations by Antifa. They go on to mention where the Proud Boys were found with Gavin McInnes. But to hear a Black Lives Matter leader saying, I don't know who this group is, I'm going to meet with them, and then saying, no, they just need some education and some respect, but they're proud American men, I think really shows the media is constructing much of the narrative. If you're going to have a Black Lives Matter leader actually come out and vouch for you guys, I think that's powerful. But more importantly, we saw something interesting as Thad calls out Antifa.

I think this is important just the other day a black lives matter activist ratted on antifa antifa was planning a flash mob in i believe it was portland and a black lives matter activist said stop using black lives matter to disguise your activism and apparently alerted the police who as soon as the group formed, within minutes surrounded them on all sides and arrested every single one of them. So this is Antifa getting arrested essentially because Black Lives Matter tipped them off. I wonder if the real problem in this country is the far left provocateurs and extremists who who are attacking Trump supporters, conservatives who are essentially acting with impunity when

these D.A.'s just cut them loose across the country. And we've seen numerous videos where Black Lives Matter activists call them out. There was one where some black women were yelling at some white Antifa women who were spray painting. And then you have these white women saying, oh, no, we're doing it for you. But they're damaging the black community. I guess I bring all this up because following the story, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Black Lives Matter, especially in contact in this context. And with Antifa, there's some overlap between the riots with Black Lives Matter and Antifa as well.

So I was I was actually going to make a press release before I came on the show last week about this. I haven't spoken about this. And this is actually the first time I'm going to speak about this, but our Salt Lake chapter has been in talks, right, with trying to make amends with certain groups. And Jakari met with Thad, and they had private conversations. And he called me, and he's like, hey, I'm doing this. And this is something that I think is important. We're not we're clashing a lot, but I think we could make amends somehow. So after our 26 rally, I actually took some time out of our festivities that night to meet with Jakari.

And it started out as a very volatile situation where we didn't agree with each other at all but there was something in common that we had and before i say that um i think the blm movement right the premise that it was started on on police brutality i think is something that everybody should vibe with yep i think police brutality is bad, period. It's not something that our group focuses on as much, but we respect that other groups are focused on that. But there is some overlapping things that both groups have, right? Two of our tenants, which should be, I feel like they should be conservative values, but usually they're not portrayed that way, is the closure of private prisons.

I was in prison for some time for a white collar crime. I deserved all 10 months of what I got. And another thing is the failed drug war. And we, both groups, at least at that point, we could disagree on everything else. And we do, we do, because it was a very, again, it was a very volatile situation in the beginning, but we got past it. And I've been on the legislative side of things for, for a little bit of time. Um, so the first step was getting together and making those amends. And so after that meeting, they met a couple of more times. And they actually had a press conference that had nothing to do with the debate at all.

This was already planned. And I know that we were going to catch crap by both sides. We always catch crap from the left, but we knew we were going to catch crap for working with BLM. But it's beyond that. There's something wrong with the judicial system in this country. And our guys, I feel strongly that our guys in New York got the short end of the shaft there. And it's because of that broken system. So our next phase is working together on getting some type of something passed through the legislator on something that we

disagree on. And that's, imagine as a legislator, even like a freshman legislator, you got the Proud Boys and BLM walk in and they come together and they want to present something that is either anti-drug war or towards private prisons, something that's pro-liberty. So that's why we met. And we feel like bridging that gap is important when needed. And their movement has also been co-opted by anarcho-communists that aren't there for George Floyd, that aren't there for Breonna Taylor, that aren't there for any of those. They're just there to crash this system. They're there. They think they're role-playing these revolutionaries. And I'm here to tell you right now, those people,

Antifa, they're victims. They're victims to a system that has failed them. They're victims to a media that has told them to hate people because of their values. To me, white pride groups, right? They're prideful of things you get me you ask them hey how do you feel about black or brown people and they're like oh well i hate them you have to ask me hey i denounce all those things but go ahead and ask them to denounce communism and they'll they embrace it i mean they love it i can't get get I've asked some of my staunch, you know, pro Biden friends. I shouldn't say pro Biden. Anti-Trump is probably a better way to put it.

Denounce Antifa. They won't. They literally won't do it. It's the weirdest thing to me. And this and I think this is a big indicator of something, you know, happening in this country. I don't know if Donald Trump's going to win. I think there's a lot of reasons to think he will.

The data is completely against him. But there's a group of people in this country former liberals politically homeless who have absolutely no problem saying white supremacy is horrifying evil wrong should be denounced totally beyond totally just get rid of all of it and antifa is bad too because they're violent authoritarians who go around burning down people's buildings why is it so difficult for people on the left who are voting against Trump to denounce Antifa? I don't know. I don't I wish I had a clear answer to that. But they've created this system. They've they've made them their foot soldiers. You got me? I think they've taken so long to do it that even Don Lemon the other day called him out on it because of the polls. He saw the poll numbers and he's like, well, Democrats aren't doing good.

These riots. I mean, the two biggest things that were going on in the country this past year, besides all the craziness that 2020 has brought, is COVID and riots. Right? And Democrats, imagine you're a business owner. I've been a small business owner my entire life. Imagine that you get shut down for three months while Walmart, Amazon, all these major corporations are making billions. And your little coffee shop gets shut down.

And you're in the middle of Portland. I love coming back to Portland because it's like the epicenter of this. And they go ahead and they shut you down. The city government shuts you down. You have no way of putting food on the table. Democrats are taking forever to sign like these, what's it called, the stimulus things. And then you're finally able to open up you're in phase two you're opening up you're doing uber eats and then here comes antifa and they go ahead and they throw

a molotov cocktail through your window and burn down the entire thing like how are you gonna feel you're gonna feel like shit sorry yes it's one uh you're gonna feel like you're gonna feel like shit. Sorry. Yes, you will. You're going to feel like crap because everything that you've worked for and they tell me, oh, well, you think of property before people. That's somebody's sweat and tears. That's food on the table for your kids, right? That's your future. You're building a future for your family. And somebody comes and the government comes and takes it away from you. And then this anarcho-communist group takes it away from you. And that's why I think Trump's going to win. I think Trump's going to win because he's been calling out these shutdowns. He's been calling out these riots since day one. We've been screaming about it for four and a half years.

We said it's going to ramp up. We said that they're going to get worse. So here's the important distinction I'll make now as, as it pertains to Antifun Black Lives Matter, the overlap. These extremists, these anarcho-communists, I don't think it's fair to call them anarcho-communists. I think they're authoritarian communists. Anarcho-communists are hippies who live on a farm, smoke pot and share some watermelon. They're all of the above, anarcho-communists, authoritarian. No, no, no. They're seizing the anarchy.

They're taking advantage of it. But I think they do want authority. I think anybody who's willing to use violence to get what they want is an authoritarian who will retain that use of that power because they never feel they won. That's like a common theme with these people. They're like, if only I can just win, then I'll make everything right. They use violence. They win.

And they say, well, we're not done with the mission yet. We've got to. And so they do these things. But one thing I've said often is that I don't like calling the rioters Antifa because they're flying Black Lives Matter flags. Now you've mentioned they've co-opted it. Yes. But then they do attract a lot of people who are not communists, who are just racial justice activists, who fly the flag of Black Lives Matter for Black Lives Matter, but they've been radicalized or brought in by you know revolutionary communist types so confusing yeah definitely so confusing the black lives matter and antifa kind of just escalated together with covid the covid thing and then

everybody started losing their jobs and people still went out on the street first thing they did was like loot buildings and to take things that they couldn't afford that's not that's not or things that they have always wanted like people walking out with boxes of shoes they were there was like one video of someone carrying one shoe it's not about wanting well it was about coming up making money yeah well they did it in miami they hit like the like the highest like mall that they had there and they like pulled out like a whole bunch of like gucci bags and jordans and and i don't know how that honors that you're out there for George Floyd and racial justice. I mean,

how, how does that even begin to honor the system? And as a matter of fact, they're making it worse. The defund the police thing, they're making it worse. It's like, they're training them to,

to, to quell protests. Like they're, they're basically, they're giving them to quell protests. Like basically they're giving them free training to do this. And just imagine. Now here's another thing you could imagine. So imagine you're a Portland police officer. You're sitting there with like 100 pounds of gear on you, right?

You've got no days off. Like today's a riot, so you can't take the day off. And your buddies are lined up. And these people, this green-haired whale is like screaming at you right and uh some other dudes like throwing water at you and pointing lasers in your eyes and then your buddy next to you he gets hit with a maltoff cocktail which almost happened he gets hit with a maltoff cocktail you got to turn off your buddy the night shifts over these the. The riots have quelled. I don't know where they go.

They probably go under the bridge or something. But these riots have quelled. And then you're in the locker room, right? You're in the locker room at the police station. And you're taking off all this gear. And your buddy's there. He's burnt all over the place. And what do you think that they just created?

They created probably the strongest brotherhood that you could imagine. Like these two guys right here that stood next to each other, like they're gonna ride together. And they're creating this system that's already there. They're creating this system

that's gonna be really volatile if it continues to progress. They're not defunding the police. They're arming them for more law and order more powers for the police more powers for the federal government and we're trying to get to a point where we have you know officer friendly back we don't want we don't want i don't want cops to feel like they're going to get shot i don't want them to feel like they need an armored vehicle but it's gotten to that point because the far left escalates goes crazy and so I had an interesting conversation actually on this show with some of the super chats saying, you know, how would you envision demilitarization? What does that mean? What weapons do they use are militarized? And I think the issue is just this,

you know, as I said, you've got these officers, they wear this full on tactical armor. Often they're, you know, it's camo gear. So it looks like they're in the army, they've got rifles, or it looks like they're in some kind of combat situation. They have armored vehicles they ride around on, and it doesn't look like officer-friendly. And the response I got was, if Antifa is shooting people, if they're throwing molotovs, if they're throwing bricks and rioters are doing this, don't the officers need to protect themselves? And the answer is yes. So then it seems like there is no real reasonable way to, you know, demilitarize as many left wing activists say, I still think that we can.

I think we need more funding for police. I think defund is the wrong thing. I think if they want social workers and they want better trained community policing, they need more money. The cops need better pay. The cops need better training. The cops need to feel valued. And what they're doing is the opposite of that.

So they're making angry cops. They're making cops demand more protective gear and more weapons, more techniques. They're making it a team sport. But more importantly, you tell the story of these two cops. They come to the locker room. They're taking their gear off. And then the one guy says to the other, I'm like, I saw that woman scream in your face, dude. He's like, I know.

And then they kind of chuckle. It's all over. Then they go home to their wives and their kids. And he sits down on the couch and he's like, what happened at work? Some lady's screaming on my face. These Antifa people are crazy. The wife gets angry and she's like, I can't believe they would do this to you. The kids hear it. The kids get mad. They tell their friends. Antifa is spreading hate. You know, these cops are people. They have families. They have friends. They go to the bar. They talk. People hear these things. People care about them. Antifa is spreading hate. You know, these cops are people. They have families. They have friends. They go to the bar. They talk. People hear these things.

People care about them. Antifa's showing up and doing everything you said, spinning on them, splashing them, being nasty, being awful. It's spreading hatred. Now, I understand there are some bad cops and there's police brutality. And these, we have laws for that. They go to jail. I do believe that we've got police culture problems because i've personally experienced an officer lying under oath to try and convict falsely convict somebody hopefully uh thankfully i had footage

proving the cop lied there was no there was no penalty for the cop who lied so i'm i think we need reforms i think we need to make sure we get justice when police commit crimes like perjury or literal crimes murder or otherwise and i think cops need to be better funded, better trained. And we need, I like the idea of some kind of social worker that the, you know, the defund the police people have brought up, but they're going in the wrong direction with it. They're saying defund the police, take that money and hire social workers. And I'm like, but then you have, you know, a vulnerability that social worker can't handle every situation a cop can. Keep the same amount of cops.

Send a social worker with them for certain situations. And that social worker can deal with certain issues. Because we have seen positive results. But taking money away from the police just makes everything more tense, more dangerous. Increases anxiety. You end up in New York where you've got a billion dollars slashed off the NYPD budget. Murder skyrocketing. Shootings.

Lethal crime. So, I don't know. You want to add anything to that? Because I i got another story we can we can jump into um no wait let's let's jump into that i think we've hit that donald donald trump has denounced you my friend donald trump i know condemns the proud boys white supremacists in fox news interview after days of appearing to equivocate on the matter u.s leader says let me be clear i condemn theKK. I condemn white supremacists.

I condemn Proud Boys. I've said it many times. Let me be clear again. I condemn the KKK, Trump said Thursday night, referring to the Klan. I condemn all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys, referring to the extreme right quasi militia that has affiliations with anti-Semitism and white supremacists. The president said his condemnation would be ignored by the fake media trump is the first president trump in the first presidential debate with joe biden failed to condemn white supremacists well i think it's it's actually i'm gonna stop right there and say it's incorrect he did say sure three times although i wouldn't call it a very strong denunciation i think it's fair to point out trump has denounced white supremacy numerous times and it's kind of absurd to ask him over and over again but uh following this during the debate he said proud boys stand back and stand by i believe that was that the quote that was the quote so we'll start with that uh there were some messages that were put out of i think it was like

you joe biggs is uh joe biggs is a proud boy yes and you guys were celebrating of course we were celebrating well joe didn't joe big say something uh correct me if i'm wrong he said it's he's essentially you know been giving you the green light to go you know smash people up or something like that so joe has been known to be somebody that that says things he put he got banned for saying like death to antifa and he's uh he's a two-time purple heart recipient doesn't mean that uh he could say things but uh he's a firebrand and uh when when you, actually, before I get into that, when you said that quote, where is that? What news outlet was that from that quoted the president on saying the denounce thing?

The one I'm reading right now? Yeah. It's the Times of Israel. Okay. I find it funny that they cut it off there. Now, the president, unequivocally, to me, he denounced the Proud Boys, right? But there was a quote that he said, that's not the end quote of, of what he said. He said, I denounce the KKK. I denounce white supremacy. I denounce the Proud Boys. I don't know who they

are, but I denounced that was what the, what the president said. And, um, instantly I started getting calls from the media and people were asking, uh were asking, you know, oh, how do you feel about the president denouncing you? And as a matter of fact, like I sat back and I was objective about it and I'm like. A lot of people wanted me to say F the president, you know, forget it. He threw us under the bus or whatever the the fact is that we've never the proud boys have never needed the president to either avow or disavow or denounce us we've always been who we are unapologetic about it and i think um that should not change my standing it shouldn't change like how I feel about somebody or his policy. I didn't feel there's a lot of times that I disagreed with the president.

I disagreed with the president on bump stocks. I disagreed with the president with the Dakota access pipeline. I disagreed with the president on numerous things. And just cause I disagree with him here. Cause I don't think he has all the facts or had all the facts when he said that, uh, when he said he denounced us,

it doesn't change my support for not only the president, but my values as a whole. I'm not going to jump ship. I'm not going to go, hey, I'm pro Joe Biden now because the president denounced us. I don't care about that. And actually the guys didn't. And I was checking our chats right after the president was denounced. I'm like, man, the guys are going to – these guys are like having a ball. They're like, oh, well, we should change our name. Instead of Proud Boys, let's call ourselves the Denounce Boys. And like these guys can make a joke out of anything.

They don't need somebody. We don't hold the president on a pedestal. I've been supporting the president since day one, but that doesn't mean that we hold like one person as an authoritarian figure here. This whole thing is an entire movement with different facets. So when the president said, let's go back now, let's go back to the debate, the actual debate, the fact that we got mentioned at the first debate for us was exciting. I was with my family.

I'm watching TV and they start talking about Portland. I'm like, no, no, he's not going to say it. I'm like on the edge of my seat. And then Biden was the one that said it. And we were excited. Right. So I put a whole bunch of I put my on my parlor post. I went ahead and I put standing by and biggs as always and he actually corrected that and cleared the record on what he said um and we had fun with it it took a little while for me for

like the the adrenaline to rush off to really make uh for for me to be become objective and say well this isn't the president. This isn't an endorsement of the Proud Boys by the president. It wasn't. The president was asked a very pointed question. He was asked about militias. He was asked about white supremacy. And when Biden stuck his nose in and said Proud Boys, the president said, and he was actually answering part of Chris Wallace's question, which was tell these groups to stand down. I don't know why Chris Wallace thought that this guy is like the president of white supremacy and militias. But he was, I think it was also part of a gaffe that the president had at the time.

And he said, stand back, stand by. Now, if I want to break that down, the stand back part, stand back, like you said, and I agree with you, we should stand back and let the police do their job. Right. And we've stood back many times. We stood back three days before that on Saturday. We stood back and we let cops do their jobs. We had a cool little barbecue. We had like fireworks, a big giant American flag.

And then the more controversial part is the standby you know and everybody was like oh yeah what did he mean by standby and the way he said it stand back and stand by yeah like like we're like some type of like the media picked it up like we're some type of militia or um like we're we're waiting and they took it because it was it I guess they said that he refused to say if he would accept the election results. And they think that we're like a force that's ready to pounce right when that happens. Can I just point out the absurdity having seen Proud Boys and having seen say like the Oath Keepers or the Three Percenters or like actual militias or at least you know militia type individuals the absurdity of you know when you see groups like the oath keepers with three percenters they're wearing armor they've got you know tactical gear they've got rifles and the proud boys are wearing those you know fred perry

or whatever it's fred perry's i was called it is for polo shirts and they're and they're you know this is what i often say is there's a lot of things the proud boys are a lot of things you can criticize them for a lot of things but if the proud boys say they're having a rally and and they have their rally and antifa doesn't show up then the proud boys get drunk and they go home and nothing happens yes if antifa shows up then fights and it's usually antifa coming and that's why that's where the earlier criticism came in with like if you go to antifa's place all the rally but i i want to i want to i want to ask you what's your stance on Dakota Access Pipeline? I disagreed with them because I believe that – and I think I even disagree with people that were for – against the Dakota Access Pipeline also. I think personally as an individual liberty, I don't think that a pipeline – they should take away property from – I don't care if they were indigenous people't i don't care if they were uh indigenous

people i i don't care where they were from to me that they were americans and they were they were taking away property from americans to basically give it to a corporation is really what it was and to me that that was completely wrong and that shouldn't have happened wow yeah so but does that would that put you more in alignment with these you know leftist protesters saying no d-a-p-l if that if that puts me in alignment then by all means fine i see it as a constitutional issue where you're the government's coming in and seizing property eminent domain it sounds like you're anti-fascist and they have all these cool words i hate that semantic arguments they have they're

like well you're anti-antifa you know what that means uh-huh no that doesn't mean i'm a fascist dude it's not and and liberals you know it's a that's also like a really cool word it's like liberty well of course i gotta i gotta clarify something i was was told that Antifa just means anti-fascist. So if you oppose fascism, you are Antifa. Is that correct? Used to. Yes. Now it's a group.

Oh, come on. Don't label me right now. No, you're not Antifa. Don't label me right now. You know where I'm going with this? Go ahead. Go ahead. Spit it out.

Do the Proud Boys reject fascism? Yes. I actually, I just said it like 15 minutes ago. I denounce fascism. Are the Proud Boys anti-fascist? Can I cuss so they can beep it out? Yes.

Technically, yes. The Proud Boys are anti-fascist. Only technically. It's because we're anti-anything big government. We're not anti-government. That's it's because well it's because we're anti anything big government we're not anti-government that's another thing that people got confused we're not anti-government we're for minimal government anti-authoritarian i'm sorry i'm sorry but based on joe biden's logic the proud boys are an anti-fascist organization well based on joe biden's logic he also said that if you don't vote for me you ain't black yeah that's right and then

he called me a white supremacist. So to him, to him, look, I give him the benefit of the doubt. To him, it makes sense in his world because I am not black. I just can't, you know, I don't want to say the guy's name, but there's a very high profile left wing activist who is like a Black Lives Matter activist who's not actually black. Yeah. But he says he is. And he called me a neo-Nazi. Oh.

And so I tweeted. Everyone's hitting me up. They're like, did you see this dude? He's got a million followers. He said Tim Pool is a white supremacist. And I was like, the dude's whiter than I am. So I just tweeted, the dude's whiter than me. It's the weirdest thing.

I can't stand it. I grew up living in this world where I was know, I was told we won that fight. Race didn't matter. The civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr., all that good stuff, discrimination, it was illegal. It still exists. Racism is still a problem. But we've won that fight. And now we have the law on our side.

I grew up with people of a bunch of different racial backgrounds. We even had some immigrants. One kid was from Poland. He was an immigrant. One kid, you know, Hispanic, spoke Spanish. We had some Asian immigrants. We had some people who were of various mixed mixed race and it never occurred to us. We did have one kid who would call everybody by their racial slur and that, but it was like a South

Park era thing, you know? And so to us, it was actually kind of funny because we were all equally insulted. But we, I grew up thinking like none of this actually matters. And that took that power away. And it wasn't until we started seeing the rise of this left, the identitarian, intersectional leftists, where all of a sudden now you have to explain what your race is. You have white people claiming they're black and then insulting non-white people as white supremacists. You've got white people calling Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, jewish man ben shapiro and a nazi it's just nothing seems to make sense anymore and i don't know what their goal is in this but to throw it back to joe biden like he said you know if you don't vote for him you ain't black and then he said you are a white supremacist i think when um when people become puritans right because that's what we're fighting. We're, we're fighting the,

when the revolution, American revolution started, we're fighting Puritans where they were trying to tax our sin. So they've become, and now in 2020, they've become such Puritans that they're infighting. Like you said, like these,

and these BLM groups are ratting out the Antifa groups cause they've made this like ecosystem of like perfection and a perfect example is there's a researcher that researches proud boys right i'm not going to mention her by name and uh she's done like all this cv paperwork and and all this research on the proud boys and how we're fascists and stuff like that and then come to find out that in her application, um, for school, she was, she put like, she's African American and got like a scholarship or something from there.

And when her friends found out and said, and then she has been telling everybody that she's like Italian Sicilian, right? Which the Moors. Yeah. Uh, but they like hit her so hard that they forced an apology out of her and actually now her her research is worthless um so this puritan thing they eat each other alive

and they have been eating each other alive and i think it's i think it's great entertainment i think it's uh some of these things you do have to just sit back and just watch them. It's almost like a zombie apocalypse when the zombies have finally eaten everybody. There's no one left to eat, so they got to eat themselves. When cancel culture was coming after everybody and they canceled everybody inside, they started going after dead people. I don't know if you saw Bill Burr's SNL monologue. He's trying to cancel John Wayne. Dude's been dead since the 70s or something.

He's like, well, they got to do something. Can you believe what he said? No, no, he's not since the 70s. But he was like, can you believe what John Wayne said in 1970? He's like, yeah. That's what people used to say. It was a really, really great monologue, in my opinion, because he kind of took the piss out of everybody. He insulted everybody a little bit.

But he specifically calls out cancel culture and then got offensive with his comedy. He did it perfectly to where he wasn't directly targeting the group, but he kind of was poking fun at certain groups. And they start calling for his cancellation. Of course. But I feel like we've already come to this point where, I mean, they've canceled.

Oh, they can cancel. I mean, what are they going to do? They cannot. There is nothing that you can cancel me on absolutely nothing yes you can't cancel me on anything anymore i've been canceled look listen this is your band this might take an hour for me to actually process all of these but i'm kidding but i've been canceled off of the big three social media platforms and multiple times. I'm on my 19th Twitter account. I just made another one today.

PayPal. Airbnb. I never used Airbnb, by the way. I just use it to browse properties and they ban me for hate speech. I have the screenshot of the email. Coinbase, which is crypto. Coinbase Commerce. Chase Bank, my bank i work with project veritas and we uncovered that chase bank uh deleted my account because and i was doing business with

them even before they were chase bank i actually covered that i got leaked an email from somebody who worked at the bank yeah that they they terminated the so i gotta be careful here it's been a while since i covered this story but I was sent a bunch of private information. I released only a little bit of it. And it seemed to me that they had banned you out of a fear of bad public relations, bad PR. Yes. And so that was it.

And that's what they do. They make a PR nightmare for these big companies. They get on their Twitter and they hammer their Twitter. And they probably don't want to cancel me, but they they're like we don't want the pr nightmare in there they take me off but i was the craziest one was and it was like two weeks ago they they banned me off mailchimp right which is normal because mailchimp does ban conservatives all the time from sending emails but there was i had a very unique situation. So I was thinking about getting MailChimp. So I added their extension, their website extension to my website, right? So I never got around to

creating an account. I just had the extension and you know, you have to buy, you have to put your license number in so it works or whatever. And I just had it on and you know, you have to buy, you have to put like your license number in so it works or whatever. And, um, I just had it on my website and Antifa went ahead and saw the, like the CSS code on my website that I had MailChimp and they, they started banging on MailChimp store. Hey, you got the deep platform, the fascist. Well, MailChimp responded and said that they have canceled my account for a terms of service violation. I never had a MailChimp responded and said that they have canceled my account for a terms of service violation. I never had a MailChimp account. They virtue signaled in order to get the mob to calm down. And the same thing happened with PayPal.

Wait, wait, wait. They claimed that they banned your account? Yes. And you didn't have one? I didn't have one. That's a false statement of fact. Yeah, and they put it on a tweet. That's interesting i think that that might be clear-cut defamation oh boy well i'm i'm working on a couple of uh i'm working on a couple of things right now um

mailchimp is probably there but it's at the bottom of the barrel when we're thinking about things but we're gonna i'm gonna go after we we and I are going to go after all these corporations. You can't, you can't donate to the Proud Boys. You can't just go to our website and be like, oh, I want to give them $100. We've, we're pretty much, I think that we're going to keep it that way for a very long time. We're self-funded. No matter where I go, I make sure that nobody pays for my stuff. So nobody says, hey, well, I paid for this or I paid for that. And that's the same thing with

all Proud Boys. But these lawsuits, since we're self-funded, people are like, oh, well, why didn't you sue Chase? Why didn't you sue this? Or why didn't you sue you sue that well we don't have the money to do it right now but i think joe biden has given us an opening i think joe biden has given us an opening to go ahead and push these what is your website uh proudboysusa.com and 1776.shop well you you can't donate to proud boys but we sell merchandise through 1776.shop. And that's like the only way that you could, uh, but you can't like directly donate. You can't like that money goes nowhere.

Do you sell that shirt? Yeah, actually. Yes. I actually printed this shirt cause I was, uh, to get on this podcast and, um,

but yeah, I'll have that on there too as of tomorrow. But I, uh, we're on one of our main tenantsets is glorify the entrepreneur and um and we believe that if if we're gonna get money out of something we're gonna sell something we're gonna sell a product we're gonna sell a service or things like that and that's that's one of the main reasons why i joined the pride boys it's the entrepreneurship. I believe that, and Killer Mike is the one that has this t-shirt

line and I love the saying on it. It says, kill your masters, right? And already, like, obviously the government's overreaching or whatever, but another master that everybody has in their life is their boss. And I feel like you should start by getting a job and learning the ropes, but I think that you should want to build something for yourself. And that's why I joined. I joined because I was already that person, and I felt like I needed the strength, and I think iron sharpens iron.

I learned a lot from just hanging around the guys at the bar. So here's my last question before we go to Super Chats. With Gavin's history of bombastic, threatening, or offensive things he's said, and he's gone way over the line. And with the history of the Proud Boys and the early on mistakes, why keep using the name that's been smeared and tainted and has this past in these associations? Why not just do something different? Make a different group. Get rid of all of these things explicitly. Because why would we want to play their game?

Why would we want to play on their battlefield and be like, oh, well, they say that this name is bad, so let's change it. That to me is bending a knee. That to me is like bending to the mob that has labeled us all these things that have been false. Like I said before, we're not everybody's cup of tea. But this isn't about everybody. This is about us. And us, as a brotherhood, we put our God, if you're a religious man, our family, and our country, and then comes a brotherhood as an auxiliary thing. But that doesn't mean that any of those are something that we're willing to sacrifice just to have a PR stunt. We don't care.

It doesn't matter. If the president denounces us a million times, if the mob comes after us, it doesn't matter how many articles that people write about us. We've built this. We've built this organic thing that hasn't been done before. Many groups have failed. They have too much of a militant structure. We're a very loose structure. We're very fun.

The only way that this thing can die is if we suck the oxygen out of the room. All right? And we take out all the fun that it has. We have fun with each other. And I don't see that dying off anytime soon. I was thinking it's kind of like an example of brotherhood is one way you put it. But like giving men meaning. It doesn't have to be men really.

But giving people meaning in in today's culture we you were talking earlier about how how great it would be if you could highlight the conversations that people have across the lot the aisle like at a rally when the people on the from antifa speak with the people from proud boys and they communicate like jordan peterson had a great viral video where he was communicating with students that disagreed with them and they were yelling and he was just calmly communicating for 10 minutes and he also is focused on giving people meaning so i see this kind of this through line of and i think that antifa those people are finding meaning in what they're doing and that we're lacking that in culture these days i don't know why maybe too much social media but why there's

why meaning has gone astray for young people or for even adults, maybe. And that this is a type of thing that gives people meaning. Well, so I'm gonna tell you, I think I don't think Gavin, I think in the literal sense, he founded the Proud Boys. But I think he actually found the Proud Boys. And what I mean by that is, to him, it was a joke. I mean, I saw what I saw when he went on Rogan. And he said it was just some stupid thing from a musical. And he was making fun of like, Oh, yeah,, it was a joke. I mean, I saw when he went on Rogan and he said it was just some stupid thing from a musical and he was making fun of like, oh, yeah, you can be a proud boy, too. But I think what he did was he lit the torch for some kind of fraternity.

Young men, no core group, no ideology, no mission, no purpose. And so in a way, there's a similarity between that and, say, Antifa in that I believe Antifa is the left's version of this, that you have a bunch of people with no purpose, student debt, no mission, no goal in life. They have no idea what they're doing. And so they're indoctrinated into extremist communism, revolution, destruction, rage, violence. And then Gavin gave space to a bunch of young men to punch each other while naming breakfast cereals and getting drunk. And that's all a lot of these dudes wanted was just hang out, feel masculine, and crack jokes and just not have to worry too much. So I feel like whatever it is you guys represent could have been something else.

It could have been called something else. It could have been founded by somebody else. And Gavin just happened to be there at the right time. And that actually ultimately leads to a lot of the ease. I'll call them vulnerabilities. Very obvious things that are critiqued and denounced and denied and things like that in the media. But that's why I asked, like, you know, why not do something different? I understand your answer.

But just to, you know, make my point is you've got a group of men who you say don't want fascism, don't want authoritarianism. You want to kind of do your thing. You're proud of your country. And that could be a regular old drinking club that could escape the political connotations of what the Proud Boys name carries. I agree. But the thing is we feel like celebrating stuff is what it started. Right.

Uh, and the name is actually, it's a good conversation starter. You know, like imagine he thought of like this really gnarly name, like the, the patriots of, of,

of death, you know, or some, I don't know. I don't know what a cool name would be, but like, it's a converse, it's a cool conversation starter and it isn't about the name.

It isn't about the cereals. It isn't about that. It's about the dude next to you. And just getting out of the house, it's a family thing. The biggest thing about Proud Boys is the pro-family part of it. It's making, like I said, making better men. And I think that we have. And I think we've done that in a funny way. And I think that we've left an imprint in history. We have done something monumental with small group of guys that started out as a joke,

have made this monumental change. Um, and whether people like to see it as a positive change or a negative change, that's up to them. I'm not, I'm not the arbiter of that or not, but I know that I love my guys. I know that I have, uh, these guys are hardworking Americans.

These guys are carpenters, uh, plumbers, police officers, uh, elected officials. I mean, they come from all walks of life and you know what they don't deserve.

They don't deserve the crap that they get from the media. But you know what? At the same time, if they get it, they turn around and they make the best of it. And that's why I love this. I think whatever we get in history in the future, it's going to be real weird because the media is so broken. I think Wikipedia is the easiest example of how the media's fracturing and and and dissolve disillusion i guess is uh going to affect how we keep record of historical events you have on wikipedia they will use any blog by a 22 year old intern who wrote some nonsense with no with no sources and they'll consider it fact and that makes wikipedia completely you know i'll put it this way the scientific articles yeah they have scientific and academic journals but now we're getting to a point where the pages don't

even link together properly because one definition on one page is a leftist one versus a right-wing one and it's all breaking apart as we have these like two different world views now you know coming into focus the leftist worldview 1619 project and then the traditional american historical worldview they can't coexist and so when those two different groups are writing articles on wikipedia it makes no sense so you know ultimately what ends up happening is you'll get you know vox.com a progressive outlet will hire some college kid who – a better example would be The Daily Beast. The Daily Beast is a couple of writers that have straight up made things up. And that's on the record now, historical record, straight up made up stuff. And I've actually reached out to them for comment and they just ignore it. So if you've got these news outlets writing fake news, garbage, and straight up saying, do not do an interview with the Proud Boys, then what is the record

of history going to be if they specifically avoid figuring out who people are, what they believe, and what they're doing? They're writing history. They're basically right in front of our eyes, they're writing history. And it makes me question a lot of things in the past but that doesn't mean that we allow them to win it doesn't mean that we we should let them do it every retraction again and unlike you i've sent uh the daily beast many retractions and they they just ignore my emails but it's fine with me i i don't care i don't mean the daily beast i don't need facebook i don't care. I don't mean the Daily Beast. I don't need Facebook. I don't need Instagram. I don't need. I don't need any of that to to I'm an activist. Well, so I don't need I don't need none of that to organize. Maybe a lot of people do. I don't.

But what's happening now is they're banning people from banks, like you. And from other technological services. There's conversations about how we uh we're going to be moving towards in the future a carless society where individuals don't own cars cars are self-driving and you have an app where you will say here's where i need to go and the car will come to your house you'll get in and it'll drive itself don't we have that already we have we have a service where a driver can come and pick you up. Yeah. So if you get banned from all these services and they're all private, then it's only a

matter of time before you're locked out, as it were. Human rights, transportation, finance. Access to the internet and the use of its services. If you're banned from a bunch of these services and they eventually become the only way to do things then you're out they've cut you out of society this is why i've always been pro-regulation i'm in favor of the government regulating these big tech these big corporations it's always been it's always but it's always been the liberals who have been in favor of regulating corporations when they started infringing upon the commons

until daddy trump came in now they're cheering for it yep that's a nightmare dystopia man i don't you know and that's and it's funny to excite a lot of people saying like you know they're coming after you they're starting to notice because i got i think like 110 million views in the past month or something and i just laugh because like it's weird to me how the media machine works there's nothing about me that's strong enough for them to actually enrage people with so it's like they can't do anything even though they want to now i just i just don't care man you know i don't care i'll have on whoever we'll talk about whatever we have to and if i get banned i get banned whatever we're we're heading we're driving off a cliff it's getting so insane seeing seeing people banned from banks you're right to talk

about it because we do need to not let these corporations take control this could be the last podcast we do yeah we we should be overseeing what corporations just since vanderbilt with his railroads choking new york city cutting off the transportation in new york city and starving the city showing what one man can do with his company. It's the same thing with Zuckerberg, Mark. You hear me. And Facebook. You're off Facebook.

And you know you shouldn't have that level of power. Oh, I'll tell you what. You're banned from Facebook, you said, right? I can't even make a new account. You know they have a Facebook profile. You still have one, though. They do? They're called shadow profiles.

Oh. They collect all of the peripheral information about you from other people, and they craft have a facebook profile you still have one though they do they're called shadow profiles oh they they collect all of the peripheral information about you from other people and they craft a profile of you whether you whether you signed up oh yeah that i know that i know yeah dude we're we're you know it's funny because a lot of the things that we're seeing in terms of uh autocracy oligopoly oligarchy technocracy it's like all of these books that we used to read 1984 brave new world and ran it's all happening right now all at once like crashing into each Megapoli, oligarchy, technocracy. It's like all of these books that we used to read, 1984, Brave New World, Ayn Rand. It's all happening right now, all at once, like crashing into each other.

So let me – I'm sorry to cut you off. So let me ask you something. Oh, that was the point. So you're good. I get the blackpilled moment. So what's your solution? People need to speak up. I think Donald Trump needs to win. Right now, those that believe in freedom and liberty, the commons, the right of the individuals within the greater system, of course, are losing.

Donald Trump has got a lot of problems. But for what it's worth, he's the last, you know he we're all hanging from his feet as he's holding on by the fingertips if he loses and joe biden gets in and joe biden is i'll be in prison what you think so i'll be in prison why do you think so i guarantee you why because joe biden will come and lock you i think i think that they've made this public enemy number one yeah uh thing and they'll i don't know they'll they'll look roger stone i said i said no they're not going to pick them up and then after a little while i was like all right they'll find something to pick them up on the things that we've learned about from obamagate should shock anyone who's

read anything about it yep the the latest revelations that obama was briefed on intelligence that suggests hillary clinton may have fabricated the entire russia hoax that spent across our country millions of dollars that the moeller investigative team, I think they wiped, what was it, like 30 phones or something? Was it 13 or was it 30? 30-something. 30-something phones were wiped. Evidence. Hillary Clinton's emails deleted, wiped out.

That these things are happening in this country at a time when massive multinational corporations are silencing the right of American citizens to speak. And I'll tell you what's really crazy. Right now on Reddit, I can go on Reddit, an American website, and go to their politics tab. And when I click one of these comment sections on one of their stories, I will see the little Australian flag next to the commentator, number one, saying Trump is bad. That person has more of a say in our politics than you do, an American citizen. That's what these major corporations are doing.

And this needs to be regulated now of course i argue with conservatives all the time because they say no they say oh we can't do it you argue you argue with libertarians if it's if it's uh i think conservative real conservatism i guess uh would be pro-regulating these these corporations if they did believe in free speech and i'm going to give you a an, and it's not just free speech, it's free market. What we're living right now, what we're living in right now is not free market. It's not at all. I'll give you an example with my t-shirts. Let's say, and this is, this is a complete fabrication of prices, but let's say me and Amazon were to pay the same exact money, $10 for this shirt, and we were to sell it for 20 bucks. So we have $10 for this shirt and we were to sell it for 20 bucks. So we have $10 left, but we have to ship the shirt to the customer.

Well, I pay $3.50 to ship this shirt through the United States Postal Service, which is a government entity. Do you know how much Amazon pays to ship the same shirt through the USPS system? How much? $0.36. Yeah, that's my guess. $0.30. Subsidies. Yeah, that's my guess. 30 cents. Subsidies.

Subsidies. That's not free market. That's not helping me. We're not working in a system that helps me. Who's getting rich during COVID? Amazon. Amazon. Amazon's stock price is skyrocketing

because they're the only business that can get you what you need because all the stores are shut down. Who's losing? Little Pepe's shop in the corner. It's actually Jose's shop in the corner of my house. Had to shut down. It's a little coffee shop that I've been going to since like 97.

Oh, man. Right? And he's had to shut down. His family, that was a pass-me-down from his family because his family came in the 50s from Cuba before the revolution. And that was a pass-me-down from his grandfather to his father to his son. It's a little shop. It's a little itty bitty shop. And that's how he provided for his family. And that's close. You know, this is what really bugs me about the current state of politics is when we complain about massive multi-billion dollar corporations stealing our rights,

and the feckless politicians who are beholden to them because they want access to donations or because it's just easier, that's the problem we're facing. And you end up with a left that was supposed to oppose massive and rampant corporate abuses, completely agreeing with it, demanding that Trump be banned. They don't care what these companies are doing. Some of them do. A lot of these people have criticized Amazon and Walmart for their stock price skyrocketing during the pandemic. But I don't understand why it is then you have Donald Trump, who is a wrench in the spokes of the establishment.

Take the opportunity. Take the opportunity and do something to crush this crony corporate system that's been in power for too long, that's driving us off a cliff. Otherwise, we're all going to be, you know, like, it's gonna be like WALL-E. We're going to be sitting in those chairs, morbidly obese, watching ridiculous reality TV, and that's what they want. But we're also gonna be giving up ridiculous amounts of control, which we already have done to the likes of Facebook.

I'll tell you how one way we can fix the situation, in my opinion, is to free the software code of large social networks. What will that do? If once a network starts getting 100 million people a day, just throwing a random number out there, but some large number of traffic per day, their software code becomes free. So anyone can pick it up and create a carbon copy of that website,

interlinking websites with their own terms of service. So if you wanted to join the Facebook 2, and that terms fit you, then you could be on there. You're not talking about freeing up software code. You're talking about federated internet. It would federate the internet in a way. Listen, all you're saying is- But we would use the government to free the code. We'd still let the private companies function as private companies.

Welcome to antitrust. It would be a form of antitrust. All we need is for our existing antitrust laws to be enforced and for these companies to be shattered. Well, I don't want... No, because then Zuckerberg will just make six new private companies with the same code that no one else gets access to. That's what they did to Rockefeller.

They tried to break up Standard Oil with Rockefeller, and he just made six new oil companies. Freeing the code doesn't mean anything. Freeing the software code means that I or anyone could start their own version of Facebook. And you can do that now. No, you don't have access to a lot of source code. The not-code nerd isn't going to talk about this. The problem is I don't know how to regulate Amazon, a company that's not software-based. Right.

See, that's why your solution makes no sense. Well, how would you— We need to break these companies up. Well, you're talking about an e-commerce shop, which is completely different. But like crypto, we're talking about like, let's start with like the big things like my banking system,

which I could have... I know nothing about crypto at all. I actually have a good friend of mine that's actually teaching me right now. And she's big on crypto. And I think that we should get like different platforms that have that same that decentralized uh i think mine is one mine i co-founded that yeah he's the you did yeah oh this is that's amazing yeah so decentralization yes we need uh i'm a big fan of

this idea of the federated universe social so uh the way twitter for instance should function is through uh the it's called the fediverse you host your own server so if someone wants to follow you it's like email except the difference with email email you can send an address something with a federated twitter system you would follow someone's email. And then whenever they do it, it's basically just sending out mass messages. Got it. Just like Twitter.

But no one can ban you because it's your server. And I'm subscribing to your server, not Twitter's server. The problem is these big social media companies have centralized all their users. And there's no – you know, look, Parler's great. But Parler's an echo chamber. It's, you know, if you want to follow certain people that you can't follow on Twitter, you go to Parler. If Donald Trump moved over, maybe he could make a difference. But for some reason, Trump isn't doing any of that.

Changing the narrative, changing the conversation. If Trump came out right now and said, from now on, I will be using Minds.com for all of my posts, he would force all of the major news organizations to switch over. And it would dramatically shift the power structure in big tech. He'd tweet links to his parlor posts with no preview. Yeah. And force them to. Because you can't view posts without having an account. Trump could do one thing right now that would take him five minutes.

He could post something like he normally does, but just do it on an alternative an alternative platform on a different platform and it would force the journalists to show it but he's not doing it another issue is uh decentralizing the the network because right now even mines is like a centralized network and if someone wants to cut it out cut out that central node the entire network goes down but we're working on mesh networks where everyone's phone hosts the network together so if you try to take down 70% of the phones, the other 30% are going to keep the network. Bro, I'll tell you what, man. This stuff sounds great, but they've been talking about it for decades. And there's people trying to stop it.

I think people are trying to slow it down. Or data ownership. Yeah, where you upload a video and you own that video. And every piece of revenue that comes in, that goes to you. Well, that's how it happens. It should be like that. I think that's called Internet 2.0. Tron, the Tron network is working on that.

But you mean like when they own your data, like when you went to the bathroom and like... Yeah, like Cambridge Analytica using this crap to... We got to do super chats, man. We've been going through it. I'll get deep into that right now. That's a rabbit hole. So we have a couple from Nam Phuong

Nguyen, but I'm only going to read this one, so I apologize. Nguyen? Yeah. Nguyen. All right. You got it. They're using the fake news to justify pushing socialism in Vietnam again. The people believe the fake news. I see insane anti-West rhetoric for years. What would happen if someday these fester?

I'm afraid you didn't end the war in Vietnam. You postponed it. interesting let's see uh small ribbon monkey says your last video upload this evening might as well have been named have you ever seen the plot to x files tim not a conspiracy theorist pool love you i was talking about harry reed former senate majority leader saying the government has not released all the evidence we have on UFOs. That's just me talking about Harry Reid. You know, nothing else. There's some mean tech.

Let's see. The Civic Nationalist says, Tim, I can't believe that you would have this white supremacist who's Afro-Cuban. The propaganda against the Proud Boys is quite bad over here. The majority of Brits believe that the PBs are Nazis. Share this with them. Isaac and Bereaka says, Enrique, thank you for incorporating healthy,

masculine energy back into the world. Tim, thank you for being brave and performing real journalism. Yeah, I don't think it's bravery. I think it's nihilism. Well, you got to brass that. I think it's nihilism.

I will tell you. I'm a lover of human. I don't know, man. This could be our last show. Yeah, every day could be our last. Might as well live it the best

you can yeah let's see uh nam fong nguyen says so will you come and see see me and hear me in ho chi minh city vietnam well i don't know if that's for me but i won't love you a long time yeah let's see mw says dude you are the man i wanted to see a long form interview with this guy maybe the lies can finally stop well you know look man uh, you are the man. I wanted to see a long form interview with this guy. Maybe the lies can finally stop. Well, you know, look, man, would you do you think it's fair to say that there are some criticisms for the Proud Boys that are deserved? Definitely. Yeah, I think so.

I think I think, again, third time I say it, we're not everybody's cup of tea. I was going to say a really bad word right now. I would have gotten this bad for sure. But we we we do fight. We basically, on our meets, at least in my meets, we have boxing gloves that are always there. But yeah, we're not everybody's cup of tea. We cuss.

We drink. Some of our guys might get a little rowdy when they drink outside the bar. But yes, there are some criticisms. I forgot to bring this up. The fourth degree. our guys might get a little rowdy when they drink outside the bar but yes so i have criticisms i forgot i forgot to bring this up uh the fourth degree do you did you get rid of that thank god you brought that up no we didn't get rid of it the whole thing is the fourth degree is up to interpretation it doesn't mean like you got to get into a fight what is it what so the fourth degree is like we actually cleared that up because in the beginning, it wasn't very clear. So how I got my fourth degree.

What is it, the fourth degree? The fourth degree is a hardship while being a Proud Boy. So a hardship that I had to endure. I had $35 in my pocket. I was in Miami. Hurricane Harvey was coming. And it already made landfall. And I'm like, I want to go to over there and I want to help people.

And I didn't have the money. So I started a GoFundMe for a thousand bucks because that's really all I needed. I got $2,000. I packed up the truck with water. I put my aluminum boat and a motor. And I drove up with two Proud Boys intovey and we're there for five days sleeping on the asphalt we did 300 plus uh direct water rescues with the coast guard and the cajun navy we administered first aid 90 times we saved uh 20 something dogs uh we passed out um i think it was up upwards of like,000 water bottles while we're there.

And that was my fourth degree. Wow. Right? Yes, you could get a fourth degree if you go to a rally, but you cannot provoke it. You can never be the initiator of anything. Right? You can't look for it. It's the only degree out of all the degrees that you cannot look for.

Wasn't the specific language like win a fight in defense of Western values? That was the original, yes. That was the original language when we made that. We recreated the bylaws and we went into specifics and what it meant to us because in the beginning, in a bar putting bylaws together, Gavin

might have slipped up a little bit, but we did expand on most of these things. And fourth degrees are given for a lot of other things. Like if you have, I know some chapters do this because the chapters are very autonomous. Like if you have somebody that's active duty status and it's deployed to a war zone, right?

That's a fourth degree. But you have to be a PB. You can't just be a veteran and then just come in and get a fourth degree. So that's considered a fourth degree. But you have to be a PB. You can't just be a veteran and then just come in and get a fourth degree. So that's considered a fourth degree. So there's a lot of ways that people misconstrue the fourth degree. But yes, I got in Portland. I have a video of it.

And they threw an explosive at me. And it had shrapnel in my arm and leg like it was a freaking war zone. I mean, to be honest. And the guys pulled it out with vodka and tweezers. Wow. It was a freaking war zone. I mean, to be honest. And the guys pulled it out with vodka and tweezers. Oh, my gosh. It does sound like you guys just made some changes when you got some criticism. No, actually, we needed to expand on a lot of those things because it was a lot of internal things that weren't clear. I think when your organization is started by Gavin as kind of a joke, it's probably going to happen.

Well, Gavin's a very interesting guy um you can't tell sometimes and i think joe rogan said this you can't tell when he's serious or when he's playing most of the time but knowing him personally i could tell you most of the time he is joking and most of the times he's a very he's a very loving father so much so that i have i don't think i've called gavin in the past three weeks where he hasn't been in his kid's softball game screaming at his coach so um but but gavin like richard let's let's just go with like richard prior you know like his crude jokes um willie nelson uh their crude jokes like all those people can be misconstrued as like racist or,

uh, uh, at times violent. You know, we see people say like, uh, vocabulary is violent right now, but he's generally a really good person.

He's generally a really good dude and he's been crapped on for such a long time. And he's, he's paid for it. He's paid for his views He's paid for his views. And I paid for my views. And I'm completely happy. I can't tell you that I'm living worse than I was before.

I was making a lot more money. I was a DOD contractor for 15 years. And I make probably 10% of what I made before. I'm a garment salesman. But you know what? I don't apologize for it. And I am a lot happier now. I feel like I'm living with purpose, doing something than when I was before where I'm just chasing money. I know a lot of people who know Gavin.

And I'll try and be as fair as possible. I understand a lot of what he does is meant to be provocative. It's meant to be edgy. But some of the things he says, you just can't defend at all. I mean, he's called for violence if you if you show me exactly right there where he's calling for violence and it's in context and yeah fine but i've never seen it i've never seen that he's like directly the vick burger makes these videos that make him seem like this demon yeah so i understand a lot of those were pulled out of context i've actually gone through a list of where the clips came from but i i had a uh i had a reporter on the ground at a rally in dc and they were like dude gavin was straight up like so you heard it from a third party it's true to be

fair yeah but i mean this was someone i sent down specifically to gather news for me saying we saw him go on stage and directly say you know get violent was this at dc yeah i i heard his whole speech in dc there wasn't anything really violent about it he he brought like rubber handcuffs and he broke himself from the chains uh it was a whole comedy skit so i don't know i don't know i'll i'll re-watch it and i'll and if your show if if your show continues which one day you'll probably be there, I'll come back on and we'll address that. I think it's impressive that you took some of the unclear, violent rhetoric and created a legitimate request.

Instead of getting into a fight defensively, it's now endure hardship. That's legitimate. It is a hardship. It is. And a lot of guys go through the ringer. Like, people lose their careers over it. Losing a career can be, in some chapters, be considered a fourth degree. We got a whole bunch of guys that were police officers.

And I say were because they get fired just for being part of it. They're not, like, activists at a rally. As a matter of fact, recently we had a police officer that actually quit his job i was like you know what forget it i'm not doing this anymore i'm an insurance salesman i got i got a question for you but i do want to point something out i think a lot of people don't understand the point of me trying to ask you like critical questions or serious questions this is just so that you can answer for the things that have, you know, have been, you've been accused of, or, you know, it's your opportunity to say,

here's what they said about me. Here's my response to this. And so if I'm seeing things and I'm saying like, here's, here's a story that needs to be addressed. A lot of people think I'm, I'm like personally attacking you. No, no, I don't see it. And, and, um, we kind of, when I, when I came here, I kind of went over with you guys. Like, I don't like doing interviews with Breitbart. I don't like doing interviews, nothing wrong with Breitbart. I just personally don't like, I say no to them,

you know, and I came on this show cause I knew that we had our differences. I know from watching your videos, not personally cause me and you have never really met personally, but I knew that you were going to ask these tough questions. I knew you were going to bring up these questions and i i like i like getting asked these things because i can't dispel like myths i want to i'd rather be hated for honest reasons right and the group as a whole be hated for honest reasons than what somebody's telling them to hate us for but i i already know

what's going to happen i'm going to people on the right saying that was unfair how could you say those things people on the left saying you're you're just pretending to go at them because i'm willing to ask any question anybody you know if someone said like here's the thing that's happened here's proof i got no problem bringing it up uh i could be wrong about the gavin thing at dc that was uh someone i had on the ground who said here's you basically what went down. So I think one criticism I'll probably get from the left is that I should have pulled up more videos and had more direct, you know, hard content. But we don't. And that's just the way it is. Well, before you do that, I want to tell you one of the most difficult questions, the most difficult things to, like, answer to.

And Gavin's going to hate me for this but i can be having uh an intellectual like discussion with somebody with like facts or where i pull the videos out and i show them the graphs and i'm in there and then the worst thing that gavin ever did to the brad boys is is put a butt plug in his butt uh on live. Yes. And there's no intellectual thing that I can tell somebody that could make me win that argument anymore. I got nothing to say, yeah. I'm like, all right, you know what? You win.

I'm out of here. That's it. I think it proves the unserious nature of what it is he's representing. Yes. I think a lot of people take him too seriously. But I think the media tries really, really to find those the boogeyman and joe biden i do believe you were right he made a tactical error and naming proud boys instead of any of these other groups they could have named because there are some scary groups out there and i know the journalists who

cover them these are some scary people yeah and the proud boys are the silliest bunch you know in terms of getting into a fight with antifa in the street or things like that. But here's a legit question from Horset. He says, what are your thoughts on Fred Perry no longer selling the iconic polos? Will they change styles to something else? So I got this awesome story about that. So Fred Perry actually stopped selling their black and yellow, their signature black and yellow Fred Perry in the United States. Right.

And they were like, well, we denounce them and they can't wear this shirt. So that we made this major corporation that's been around for decades. Stop selling this thing. And then on top of that, and this is actually the first time I say it on this show. So the UK guys took pictures of a whole bunch of boxes, you know, with shipping labels on them. And they're like, it doesn't matter. Our American friends, we're going to ship these things from the UK. And hook, line and sinker.

Newsweek picked it up and they're like, now the UK Proud Boys are shipping black and yellow Fred Perry's to the States for their friends. And then Fred Perry did get called by Newsweek and he was quoted in the article. But it's amazing that we're able, just by a small post on Telegram, because that came from a post on Telegram, from a small post on Telegram, it made a national news outlet run a story.

That's amazing. And made this giant corporation answer to it. But on a serious level, what we're thinking about doing is the black is, especially for us Floridians, the black and yellow Fred Perry. That's another thing that Gavin screwed up on. The black and yellow Fred Perry is so hot. Yeah, seriously. So we might add in a couple of new colors from the Fred Perry line. It doesn't matter if he likes us or not.

We'll keep giving him money. That's fair. You know, it's fair. Capitalism. But we might pick up a very popular, you know, lighter colored Fred Perry and start adding it in. At least to the southern states. Yeah. So a lot of the comments, a lot of super chats are just people saying, you know, great to have you on.

You know, I think it's good that we're having conversations because, you know, obviously the media is not going to do a long form sit down. We have one here. Ethan Johnson says, I'm sorry, Johansson. PSA, as it is National Farmers Day, it's harvest in the heartland. To all of you that have recently moved from population centers to rural areas, be aware that farm equipment is big and slow. 15 to 30 miles an hour. Be patient with us. We want to go home to our families, too.

Good advice. Good PSA. Yeah. Actually, I owned a Kubota tractor and I had 80 acres of land in North Florida. Oh, wow. And I would drive and I had another piece of property that was like about a mile away and I'd use the tractor and I'd piss people off. So Isaac says, where did the white supremacist accusations originate ben shapiro even hints at

not wanting to be involved with proud boys and i trust ben shapiro as a news provider first i'm gonna laugh at somebody trusting ben shapiro for anything oh snap um i don't can he swim i don't know i don't think so yeah um so the white supremacist moniker comes i guess as like the scariest of the scary right it's it's it's people think like nazis nazis are like the boogeyman that's like that's like the the thing that people like accusing other people of and it's uh i forgot it's godwin's law yeah you've heard of that one so the more uh you know what that is no so godwin's law is the more mean you argue the the higher the chances that one of us is going to use a reference to nazi germany on each other so then you know the lighter version of that the light version of nazi is white supremacy

and you said that there is a lot of scary groups and i i agree there probably is uh but most of these ethno-nationalist groups are really not a threat they don't leave the freaking basement they don't leave their house i haven't i haven't seen besides in charlottesville that i did see some um i haven't seen like a scary, like white supremacist Nazi dude, except when I was in prison, when like a real white supremacist, like the Aryan brotherhood is there because they'll stab you in the neck. And these Antifa guys, they want to dox like white supremacists.

Why haven't they dox? I'll tell you why they haven't doxed the Aryan brotherhood, because they're going to get stabbed in the neck. If they do, you know, when you dox a proud boy, we're like, Oh, here, perfect example. We're like, all right, you know what they're going to get stabbed in the neck if they do. When you dox a Proud Boy, we're like, here, perfect example. We're like, all right, you know what we're going to do after getting doxed so much? We're going to find their addresses and we're going to, yeah, let's do it.

And we go like that and we pull up all the information, all their addresses, and we sit there together and we're like, all right, what are we going to do with this? We're like, wait, what are we going to do with them?'re like wait what are we going to do with them you can't do anything like are we going to like what we're going to show up at the house that happened though didn't do we do we like knock yeah one of our guys got pissed off at uh vick burger and knocked in his house and asked him to like not like do that anymore you know it was like hey uh vick can you stop doing this please and vick like blew his lid but like there's nothing that we can do we've never you'll never find us go to a house and like he definitely should not have gone to vick burgers he shouldn't have gone to vick burgers house but

regardless the thing is yes but like if you're knocking on somebody's door it's very old school to do that but you're not he is an older older gentleman but you knock on somebody's door and you're you ask for sugar you're like hey can you turn the music down and that's basically what the conversation was um but we've never been one to like okay let's go to somebody's house and like let's uh let's let's slash their tires. You won't find those stories. You won't find the stories of us burning or looting anything.

You want me to tell you what's going to happen if Donald Trump loses the election? Nothing. Because the conservatives aren't going to do anything. And it actually makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time that we don't have that oomph. We're just going to be like that's and it actually makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time that we don't have that that umph we're just going to be like okay let's just go back to work this sucks will i will i go ahead and complain about it for the next four years yes i did it

for eight years from prison yeah man from prison i'll send you guys i'll send you guys letters but um if he wins if he if he loses nothing's going to happen if he wins i don't, nothing's going to happen. If he wins, I don't know what's going to happen. I hope. I'm a white pill guy. I'm very hopeful for the future. And I think this will calm down in the 70s, the anti-war protests and the civil rights protests. Those things calm down. That was a much tougher time to go through.

And I think we're going to get through this as Americans. I think we're going to get through this as Americans. I think we're going to get through it. I'm not entirely convinced. I wouldn't say that I think the end is nigh, but I think the stuff we've seen from Obamagate, the Russiagate hoax stuff, suggests that we are in very serious trouble in terms of how our country is being run. For too long, the American population has sat back um happy to just watch their sports and order their pizzas have their beer and ignore what was going on in politics to the point where

we actually had a trans satanist anarchist win a republican primary because americans don't know who they're voting for they just attention down ballot all the r is given to me that's what we've been doing for decades and it's ended up with show hearings. Like today's hearing with Amy Coney Barrett was garbage. It was just a bunch of people grandstanding it, did nothing. You know what the hearing's supposed to be, is my understanding, when you have a Supreme Court? I see here you spent, you know, X many years at Notre Dame as a professor. Tell me a little bit about that experience and how it will play into being a Supreme Court justice the American people would like to know.

I see here that you are an originalist in the Constitution and with a specialty in stare decisis. What does this mean for the American people? Do you believe this means you are qualified? Instead, what do we get? My constituents and my vote and my campaign, and it has nothing to do with the judge. The hearing is supposed to make sure that the person who was nominated by the president is of sound mind and ability to be a supreme court justice because the president can nominate basically anybody and the senate suppose if trump says i'm gonna nominate this simple yeah sure i'd be like uh no thank you no but let's say he nominated a guy a burger chef you know at a at a bar louis and the burger chef's like i'll do it he sits down and the senate says what experience have you in law none okay i'm gonna vote against this guy next yeah that's what they're supposed to be doing they're not doing it they're getting up there and saying

the affordable care act is 20 million people donald trump blah blah blah it's it's we we for too long have allowed do nothing politicians to put on shows don't actually care about us sell us out to the biggest corporation, the highest bidder. Massive multinational corporations, be it big tech, be it our manufacturing base eroding. And that's where we're at. That's what's happening right now. So Republicans should stand back and stand by? I think Republicans are trashy as much as Democrats are.

I think there's a small handful of people in the Republican Party that are okay. I think Rand Paul's great, actually. I really like Rand Paul. I liked his dad, too, even though I disagree with him on a lot of political issues. Principally, I think they were really great at what they did. Tulsi's pretty cool. And the Democrats don't really have much of anybody right now. And the Republicans themselves are pretty, you know.

No, but I'm saying the people. I think the people need to get up and go vote i think there's there's a really good there's something happening right now the democrats made a big mistake on and it was betting on mail-in voting because mail-in voting has a higher margin of failure than in-person voting that means republicans convinced there's a real threat are going to go in person and the democrats terrified of covet are going to vote by mail and have a higher rate of failure for their for their votes, giving Donald Trump a major advantage. This could mean considering I was reading an Atlantic article that said 50 percent of Biden's voters are expected to vote by mail with that margin of failure. The polls could be correct that Joe Biden is leading.

But once we get this massive failure rate of mail-in votes, Trump wins. Might not matter. Yeah, might not matter. I've seen it. I've protested. I protested the 2018 election. You know what I got out of it? Another Democrat in office.

You know? What was that? And the reason why I say that, because a big question from the media was, oh, are you guys ready to stand by if the election results don't go in your favor? I go, I've protested the election results almost every year. So Isaac Kihlstrom says he didn't answer the question of where these accusations originated in terms of white supremacy. Where did they start? Oh, I'm sorry. I think we started talking about something else in the middle of that.

I think it's just a made up thing. I think they start? Oh, I'm sorry. I think we started talking about something else in the middle of that. I think it's just a made-up thing. I think they went down the line. They were like, well, we can't call them Nazis, but there's a whole bunch of white guys, and it's white supremacy. I mean, there's no basis to it. There's no basis to it. White supremacist groups hate us more than antifa does why we're race mixers we're degenerates for letting in gays we shouldn't we shouldn't be pro-drug we shouldn't drink this much like they're puritans and they actually hate us because

they feel like we're becoming their voice in this whole thing. Like they're always going to hate Antifa. Right. But they hate us more because they feel like we're, we're watering down there. And I'm just speaking from their eyes. We're watering down their, their thing. And I've gotten death threats from them before.

Right. And their death threats are actually a lot worse than the death threats from Antifa, which I got aifa, um, which I got a very, very, very serious one on Friday before on the 25th before the event. So much so that the FBI took it as a very serious thing and they had

somebody close to me the entire time that I was there. Oh wow. Um, do you ever kick people out? Yes, but that's very tricky. So we have, and specifically in the event in,, the demand-free speech event, we had somebody, some dude that's a Nazi-loving dude. So what I usually do is I work with police first, and he came in there to agitate the situation.

He was blaming the Jews for everything. And first I asked police to to escort him out and i didn't know that i like i knew this but i didn't know i thought they were able to like the police were able to bend it and they're like well we can't kick him out it's a public park even if you have a permit for the entire thing we can't kick somebody out of a public park but we actually berated him until he left um which worked out perfectly fine and we've uninvited people that are ethno-nationalists to some some of these events that we go to what i meant was though would you ever kick people out of the proud boys

oh oh yeah yeah we would what would cause that um many things like uh on personal things like one thing that we really don't besides views okay so if you have something that's against tenants uh we we will act upon it that chapter will act upon it um but like other things would include like stealing money from somebody or sleeping with somebody's wife which hasn hasn't happened. But that is part of like our code of conduct, um, where there's things that, you know, are just unforgivable. Another thing is that we vet every member that comes in. I'm a felon, right? So it doesn't mean we don't let felons in, but we do do a background check. So if you're a wife beater, uh, if you're a pedophile or things like that, which I don't, we've never had a pedophile try to join, but we've had people that have like domestic, uh, abuse things that have

come up and we haven't. So there's some things that we're a little bit more lenient on and some things that we're not, but yes, we, we do kick out a member. We do have bylaws. We are an organization. Uh, we do have some type of structure. Even though our chapters are very autonomous, there is a set of rules. There is a national set of rules that's kind of like a constitution and a code of conduct that you do have to follow.

So people notice that there is a stink bug on your chair. Oh, no. He's just walking back and forth doing his thing. He was on top of your computer. Yeah, he's been rolling all evening. Yeah, he's chilling, man. Oh, there he is. There's two of them in here.

Oh, yeah. So be careful because they're stink bugs. You know what happens if you scare them? What? It stinks. It's stinky. I wouldn't say it stinks. It's just a strong smell.

You're going to be like, whoa. He's famous. Yeah. I'm from Florida. We have all sorts of bugs. Stink bugs. We don't have those. Well, anyway, man, I'm glad you were able to come down.

I think I know that no one's going to be satisfied with the conversation we actually had for the most part. I didn't expect it. I think a lot of people are going to be happy, at least that we tried. And I hope that we got something productive out of it. And I think the media is pumped out a ridiculous amount of lies about you guys. I think there's some valid criticisms. I think it's, you know, truth is always close to the middle. But as the media just goes crazier and crazier in a desperate bid to make money, it's just getting nuts, man. It's just getting

the grift, you know what I mean? The media's desperate attempt to scare people about these groups, it's just getting ridiculous. That being said, we've gone over quite a bit. I didn't get as much superchats as I wanted to, but I think we just had a lot to go through. But thanks for coming on. You're banned from everywhere, so I guess, you know...

Parlor. Yeah, Parlor. You're on Parlor. And I think people need to see for themselves and do their own investigation make their own determinations about what they think about you me and anybody and you know but uh yeah what's your parlor username so you could find me on parlor you could actually either search my name which is really tough to spell for some people enrique tario or you could my handle is at noble lead all together you can find the prod boys you can go to prod boys prod boys

USA.com website if you want to just keep up with like some news updates or if somebody did want to join that's where they joined another way that you could support me financially and other prod boys is you go to 1776.shop and we sell a whole bunch of conservative merchandise

and this shirt will be up by tomorrow morning. And for the left, we are actually booking some Antifa people and we're actually going to have... Can I be on too? Well, you have them on by themselves, but I want to be able... I've never been able in this setting

and I think that you'd be doing a really big service to your viewers if you sit me with another member of Antifa if they were to have it. I will absolutely reach out to some Antifa people to see if they would want to sit down and have that conversation. You know, I think a lot of people are like, Tim's going to

debate this guy. I don't debate anybody. People get mad like, you weren't hard enough on this guy. I'm like, I don't debate people. We have a conversation. I try and throw some questions their way. Anyway, that being said, thanks everybody for hanging out. Smash that like button before you go. This could maybe be our last show. I don't debate people. We have a conversation. I try and throw some questions their way. But anyway, that being said, thanks, everybody, for hanging out. Smash that like button before you go. This could maybe be our last show. I don't know.

Whatever. I don't care. It's been real, guys. Thank you. 2020 has been fun. But journalism has to be fearless. And as much as the left wants to argue that what we do is not journalism, well, here and there, I think we do a lot of political commentary. I do, at least.

This show is more conversational. But sometimes you've got to talk to people to figure out who they are. And I've got to be honest with you, man. I've interviewed Soviet generals. I've interviewed Brazilian gang leaders. Interviewing some dude who the media seems to not like is not the craziest interview I've ever done. But of course, it's very contentious. So maybe it'll be the last show.

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Sour Patch L-Y-D-S. Yes. And we'll be back tomorrow night, I think. I don't know. There's a spider here. There's some stink bugs there. We'll see how things play out. Internet seemed to work just fine today.

So I'll leave it there. Thanks so much to everybody for hanging out. And we're going to try and do, I don't know, a bunch of hard interviews. I've been reaching out to a bunch of lefties, far leftists, Antifa people. And we're going to bring them out. We're going to bring them to the studio. That'll be fun. So stick around.

We will see you all next time. And again, thanks for hanging out.