Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #150 -The Establishment Is LOSING IT Over Biden Corruption Scandal, Phil from All That Remains Joins

Episode Date: October 17, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and guest Phil from All That Remains (@PhilThatRemains on social media including Twitter, Twitch, Parler, etc) discuss the case of Hunter Biden and the implication of the steady stream of emails that have been leaking as well as other political current events and the general state of the world.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the past couple of days, we have been getting a trickle of emails from Hunter Biden that implicate Joe Biden. And all of a sudden, I saw the for the first time this idea that news organizations had to be verified. It was funny. You know, so the New York Post puts out this story and they're like, here's an email showing that this guy is saying, thanks for introducing me to your dad, Hunter Biden. Thanks for the opportunity to meet and spend time together. And then all of a sudden I hear from these leftists and these journalists, well, the story is not verified. And I'm like, since when do we ever wait for a news organization to get third party

verification to determine whether or not we allow it to exist? Then all of a sudden we saw the Washington Post come out saying Rudy Giuliani is is part of is a victim of a Russian smear campaign, disinformation campaign. Then Facebook and Twitter banned the story outright. Then they put warning links on a government website. The entirety of the establishment is freaking out over these emails and they're only getting worse. And now Rudy Giuliani is saying 10 days before the election, he's going to drop something even bigger. Proof of Joe Biden's corruption. We'll see how things play out. But I think it's fair to say

the establishment and all its forms from Wall Street donors to big tech to the mainstream media, they are in a panic over this. And I will say, though, however, the New York Post is fairly mainstream media, to be honest. So it's just weird goings on. We can see where the Democrats have their allies and where they don't. But we're going to talk all about this today. We got, of course, Ian. Hi. We got people here.

Ian's hanging out. We got Lydia's hanging out as well. Hello. And then we got a rock star on the house. We do. We got Phil Labonte from All That Remains. I'm so excited. Yeah.

So I guess my quick question before we get into all this stuff. Are you a Trump supporter? Are you a conservative? I'm a libertarian with a small L, which most libertarians are pretty quick to be like, I'm not a big L party libertarian guy. That I understand. Yeah. You know, I mean, that guy took his clothes off on stage.

The party has a the fact that they have some very far left libertarians in the party and they are making space for people that really don't acknowledge property rights, which I think is fundamental. You know, that's a that's a big party problem. But generally, I'm a libertarian um i voted for trump in 2016 because uh i did not want to see hillary clinton uh win uh a little side uh at the time i was married and my ex-wife had security clearances and stuff like that and had my ex-wife done what hillary clinton had done they'd have thrown her in jail with you know, there wouldn't have been any kind of... They would have epoxied the bars. There's no key.

You're in there forever. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Well, the bars shut. Exactly. Just like the chains were doing in the what's the town that the... Wuhan? Wuhan. Yeah. So yeah, they would have tossed her in jail.

And so I, I couldn't vote for someone that, well, you know, had, had broken the law like that. So this election, I'm going to be voting for Joe Jorgensen.

Really? Yeah. I'm not the guy that thinks that one vote is, is going to change anything. So my voting for Jorgensen is really a conscience vote because uh if i had my way we'd have a much smaller government but that means you're voting for trump that's what i love about maybe it does or if you're not people say oh you're voting for joe jorgensen you're voting for trump or you're voting for joe biden so i i i think i tweeted this joke i was like i know how

to vote i know how to functionally vote twice by only voting once. Yeah. And to vote third party, because then the Trump supporters like you're voting for Biden and the Biden supporters like you're voting for Trump. Well, I guess I voted for both by voting for George Jorgensen. All three. Yeah. Yeah. If it works out that way, that's fine with me. But it's a it's a personal vote for me because the libertarian ideas are really good, in

my opinion. And you've seen that. I've seen that meme. Oh, yeah. The fox. Yeah. ideas are really good in my opinion and you've seen that you've seen that meme oh yeah the fox yeah this majestic looking fox and then this weird all decrepit so and i think that's reflective of reality joe seems cool but that tweet about anti-racism was kind of freaky yeah i think that uh i think that most likely she was not aware of the context that surround those phrases. She seemed like a normie.

I talked to her real quick. But listen, it was kind of weird for me to see the libertarian candidate telling people we must do anything. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. Must do something? I don't care if she said we must have, you know, Twinkies from the gas station. I'd be like, we mustn't do anything. Don't tell me what to do.

Totally agree. That was it for me. I mean, granted, I think the anti-racism stuff is just like legit racism. Yeah. With a different name. Yeah. It's clearly racist. When Spencer retweeted Ibram Kendi the other day, you know.

Really? You didn't know that? Richard Spencer? So Ibram Kendi. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said not wrong, right? Amy Barrett. Yeah.

When Amy Barrett, Kendi was criticizing Amy Barrett yeah when Amy Barrett someone Kendi was criticizing Amy Barrett because she adopted Haitian kids yeah and so then Spencer just goes

he's not wrong da da da da and it's like that's amazing but you know you know what they like doing they like saying well

you know he's just pretending so that he can hurt the Democrats it's like what are you talking about the dude's been completely honest like he's comfortable with being called a white nationalist i'm not i'm not convinced he's lying about what he's saying now yeah yeah and there are a lot of people that

that i know that i'm friendly with that uh or that i'm friends with that are of the same mind they're like oh i think it's a you know it's he's he's lying he's only saying that to help trump and blah blah but if spencer is honest about his white nationalist goals which i don't see any reason to think that he's not he definitely didn't get out of trump what he was hoping to get out of trump trump passed no legislation that benefited the whites you know so um it makes sense that he would be well the guy that's going to support critical race theory and raise racial consciousness, hopefully among white people is Joe Biden. So I'm going to vote for Joe Biden. And if you if you understand it like that, it makes sense.

The guy that's going to be saying it's OK to have critical race theory all over the place and hopefully have more white people being aware that they're white and blah, blah, blah. You know, it's it's in my opinion, it's a terrible thing. That's not how you base someone's value. But it makes sense if you're you know, if you're a racist, that's like, well, who's going to go ahead and make people think about race a lot? You know, you know about repealing Prop 209 in California, right? I do. I do.

So this is we talk about it quite a bit because it's probably one of the most shocking bits of legislation we've seen coming from the Democrats. It's Prop 16 repeal Prop 209, and it strikes the civil rights legislation from the California Constitution pertaining to public employment, contracting and education. So if you have Donald Trump who says it is a violation of civil rights law to tell people that certain races are better or worse, that's critical race theory. And then you have the Democrats saying we literally want to make it legal to discriminate based on race who do you think the races are going to vote for they're not going to vote for trump trump saying we have a civil rights law in this country yeah the democrats are like we're actively repealing those well then all of a sudden the white nationalists are like oh that sounds

good i guess yeah i you know and i've had again conversations with people that I'm friendly with and they either are unaware of what the implications of repealing that law are or they just say, oh, I don't think that that's going to happen. That's what I hear a lot. There's a lot of dismissal. There's a lot of people that are, you know, and I understand not everybody's extremely online. I qualify as an extremely online person. Fair enough. But just because everyone isn't extremely online doesn't mean that, you know, that they're wrong, you know, and brushing off something isn't a good idea. You know, they like to push that narrative of like the white supremacists everywhere and like the evil white supremacist militias are coming. So I have like I've asked friends and I'll say, which do you think is more dangerous, the far left or the far right?

And of course, the press, oh, the far right easily. And why is that? Because they're Nazis, they're white supremacists, all that stuff. I say, OK, so you think there's a prominent faction of like white supremacists, militant people going around and they're ready to take power and they're going to go to war and they're fighting for Trump and all that stuff. And like, oh, you know it. So don't you think that if you repealed the law that made it illegal to discriminate based on race, these rampant white supremacist organizations take advantage of that and then start creating white-only spaces? They're like, well, I mean, I don't know. I'm like, well, but there's a bunch of these people, right? They're everywhere.

There's millions of them. Okay, so if you repeal this law, then they're going to start forming – well, oof. It doesn't make sense. No justification for what they're doing. It doesn't make sense. No justification for what they're doing. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't. And I've heard a lot of excuse making where they're like, well, I think you're looking too far into what it might be instead of what they're trying to do. And I was like, and I know what they're trying to do.

They're trying. What they're publicly saying is they want affirmative action back. Yeah. And I'm like, OK, did affirmative action go away? And that's what that's what basically you can't discriminate based on race. You can't have affirmative action. OK. I didn't realize that. I thought that there were still affirmative action go away in California? That's what basically – you can't discriminate based on race. You can't have affirmative action. OK. I didn't realize that they – I thought that there were still affirmative action laws in –

I don't know to what extent they do it, but what they're arguing is that the repealing of Prop 209, it's called the Affirmative Action Bill, repeal Prop 209. And I laugh because every activist website and every voter information database says this bill will make it legal to have affirmative action. And I'm like, you could write this bill and make it legal to have a white-only government building. It does the exact same thing, but they choose which one to highlight. Instead of giving the voters the information about what they're voting on, they cherry-pick the most, you know, the one that sounds good. You could even say this one helps the state get you know do away with evil racism sure it's an opinion it's it's framing that's what we're gonna that's that's what we're uh we're gonna get yeah i i think it's a i think it's a uh a bad idea um

as i've heard people make the state's rights uh argument which i blows my mind because I'm like, you're, you're making a state's right rights argument about racism. You realize that we had a war about that, right? Yeah. That's what the argument that the South made was we have the state's right to keep people enslaved and we fought a war and said, no, you don't. Yeah. And now you're making that argument again. Well, so.

Blows my mind. When Joe tweeted this, she tweeted that slogan. It's not enough to not be racist. We must actively be anti-racist. Clearly, she doesn't know what she's saying. The first thing is libertarians shouldn't be saying what we must do for one thing. But the scarier thing is that her willingness to repeat it without knowing what it is is isn't it's like outside of look if she was serious about it the anti-racist ideology is literal racism yeah they just put that anti in front of it the way i try i try to describe it

to people is that racism is a spectrum and racism and anti-racism are the exact same thing yeah with different with different goals but the goals i should, with different, what's the right way to, they're the same goals with the same belief structure, but different emotions behind them. I think you're right, yeah. The only difference is our emotions are different. It's racism where they claim they love you, but they need to discriminate against you for love versus racism based on hate. To me, it almost seems like a mom mentality where you're like, I'm doing this for your own good. they need to discriminate against you for love versus racism based on hate it's it's to me it almost seems like a mom mentality where you're like i'm doing this for your own good so let me just help you you need me to make this difference for you whereas other racism is like i'm gonna

tell you what to do yeah yeah i get it so for her to tweet it out and then double down on it and then the libertarian party doubled down on it I saw a lot of people saying they wouldn't support the Libertarians over it because that's like freaky. I myself made a big tweet and got into it with some people that were Libertarians. Got into it with Nick Sarwark, who was the LP chair. You're not a real Libertarian. You know, I mean, that's how you know you're a real Libertarian. When someone says you're not a real Libertarian. You ever see the Groundskeeperkeeper willie meme yes damn libertarians

they ruined libertarianism yeah it's true it's true and you know so i i understand what you're saying i got into it like i said with with some of the the left-leaning libertarians um and with sarwark himself and i i don't understand why uh the discourse around that was so dismissive about people that had a problem with it yeah um other than you know when you say hey look anti-racism isn't what you think it is it's it's it's not i describe anti-racism and racism like matter and anti-matter. Yeah, the same thing. It's the same thing. It's just charged differently.

Right. Interesting. That's kind of like what I was trying to get at. Yeah. It's like there's a different energy behind it, but it has the same goal, the same output. And I guess the difference between that analogy, though, is if you took anti-racism and racism and put it together, I guess you might actually get an explosion. I mean, it'd be kind of good if you could take all the racists and all the anti-racists and put them together no i would love it because that's happened a lot of that's a lot

of energy yeah uh well so what so what do you like about joe what's what do you like about labor chains uh i like the fact that i so i've heard you talk about the – I forget what it was called, the spectrum of caring, compassion, and how libertarians are just all liberty. I forget what the – Oh, the moral foundations. Yeah, the moral foundations. And I'm 100% on the same page with you because my entire worldview is I'm not looking for any particular result. I want people to be free. And that's the,

that's the, the, what I hold, you know, as sacred people should be allowed to live their lives however they want. And in any way that they see fit, as long as they're not harming anyone else. Yeah. any way that they see fit as long as they're not harming anyone else yeah and i think that that's the best way to allow people to design their life in a way that they best see fit to you know to

affect their happiness there are some challenges there though for instance borders borders yeah yeah so it's big big libertarian argument i was very much an open borders kind of libertarian and then covid made me go let me rethink this um because to be honest the economic argument about borders to me makes sense right so you really shouldn't have any kind of uh limitations on people going places to work. And I'd always, I'd had, I'd had a grudging acceptance of borders because as long as there's some kind of social safety net,

you can't just let anyone come into the country and sign up for your social safety net. You have to have some kind of control over that because we're already a hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities and and all of the economic arguments um but then when covid hit then i definitely was like you know it's probably a good idea for a country to have control over its borders and uh and control over who's coming in and who's coming out yeah the that's the big libertarian argument i hear a lot it's you're not a real libertarian because you're imaginary borders i actually got an argument with this very like relatively well-known libertarian who like started threatening me

because i'm like pro-borders uh the way i describe myself is i would i'm left-leaning libertarian on most things but realism makes me more liberal because i think we need a little bit more authority uh not towards authoritarianism leading think we need a little bit more authority uh not towards authoritarianism leading towards liberty but a little bit you need you need some kind of system in place to maintain yeah these freedoms because i guess the the concern is looking at it from a historical perspective the places that were just open and free to move about you get taken advantage of by either you know manipulative forces or physical forces so but anyway uh specifically onto the libertarian party though is there is there anything joe

jorgensen like in terms of her policies that there's nothing specific about uh joe herself it's the libertarian libertarian party platform is pretty good uh a libertarian executive who's not looking to be because i'm on the same page as you are about uh foreign interventionism and wars and stuff like that um that to me is is a very big deal um i'm a very pro 2a kind of guy so gun rights and stuff like that uh i would love to see the atf abolished i would love to see a whole lot of government agencies abolished um the police no not not the police um fbi maybe or shrink the fbi yeah that's that's where i'm torn especially because seeing like we have a lot of problem with the fbi like to sort of set people

up it's not entrapment but you send in a guy who then like starts nudging them come on come on do it do it and they're like okay fine you're under arrest it's kind of like yeah okay you're justifying your existence that's what happened to randy weaver at the at the ruby ridge thing is they they were yeah they were trying to get into you know oh we got you on your shotgun was too short or whatever and if you if you go and get involved with these guys then we'll go ahead and look the other way and And it just, you know, went to crap. Considering what they've been doing with, I mean, so now, actually,

let's jump into the Hunter Biden stuff. So I don't know if you've been following up to date on all of this, because we're getting this slow release of Hunter Biden information, Joe Biden information. But the story is, this computer repair guy gets a laptop. And after a couple months, dude never shows back up the laptop had bo biden foundation stick around or something he opens it up because now it's legally his

property it's been abandoned and he finds a bunch of emails apparently he can't he copied the hard drive and then gave it to the fbi but then heard nothing back and so then he started getting worried thinking he was going to get killed and stuff like that so then he gave it to rudy giuliani's lawyer like i don't know i'm gonna gave it to Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. Like, I don't know. I'm going to give it to you. So now there's serious questions about what did the FBI know? Because apparently they received this in December of 2019 when the impeachment inquiries were going on, which led into the impeachment hearing. And this was all based on Donald Trump's phone call with, you know, I think it was the president or prime minister

of Ukraine or something like that. Yeah, I think so. Well, it was Ukraine, but it was the perfect phone call. The perfect phone call. Indeed. So he said, you know, people are talking about this video. There's a video, a viral video where Joe Biden was laughing about how he ousted this prosecutor. He's like, son of a B gets fired.

Ha ha. A billion dollars. Everyone laughs. Everyone laughs. So Trump has his phone call, probably saw some viral video on the internet didn't know much about it and passively was like yeah i just uh i don't know if you know anything about this thing with with biden i saw and that was really kind of but they launched this big impeachment thing over it which failed the fbi had this had this hard drive they had these emails in these emails we've now learned so far and only

i think three or four days that one of one of the executives for this company that Trump was asking questions about thanked Hunter Biden for introducing him, giving him the opportunity to meet his dad and spend time with him. Whether whatever that means, you can interpret the media is trying to claim it didn't mean he actually met him. That's just kind of weird. So I think spend time with him is pretty. I know. I know. So maybe it meant Hunter Biden and not Joe, but I don't I'm not buying it. It's just colloquially.

So anyway, look, we now have Tucker. Tucker Carlson last night did a segment where he said one about one month before Joe Biden went and got this prosecutor fired. There were communications from this company about needing to get U.S. officials to intervene on their behalf and then it was only like a few days before i guess this pr company was on a was on a phone call with the white house or something a conference call and then all of a sudden joe biden flies out there fire this guy or you don't get the money yeah guy gets fired the guy who got fired victor shokin said he signed a sworn affidavit that he was going to investigate the

executives of burisma and the founder of Burisma for corruption and various things. But then Joe Biden got him fired. So if that information, if those emails were in the possession of the FBI at a time when Trump was being accused of trying to smear Joe Biden, what was the FBI doing? You know, I mean, I can't I mean, I can't even guess. You're not psychic. But I mean, I do think that the – so people say the deep state. And I think that when you use a term like deep state, it's such a charged term that it's unhelpful but there is an entrenched bureaucracy of people that work for the government that are unelected that have no desire to get fired

they don't want to see their job go away they're regular people doing what to them is fairly mundane work but they don't want their you know like i like I said, I would get rid of, you know, get rid of the ATF. People that work at the ATF, they don't want to get rid of the ATF. My mom used to work for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife in Massachusetts. And I told her and her friends right in front of them, I'm just like, I would get rid of this whole building. Y'all are fired. And they were appalled. And my mom was like

my mom was just like whatever you know because she knows my opinion and but they were appalled that i would say that and i understand because you know if you've got a job and and you've got your livelihood tied up with with the government you know it makes sense but at the same time you know these these people that work for the government have their own interests. And so to think that they wouldn't try to preserve their own jobs and preserve their, their, their power or whatever. I think that's, that's just, that's a little foolish. And to just say, Oh, you know, Oh, it's deep state. And so it's all just crazy conspiracy theory. No, it's not. It's, it's realistic to say people that have jobs and families and pensions and all the things that go along with a job

they want to keep those things that makes perfect sense for sure but there's there's ideology in there sure yeah like i think i think if if these people at the fbi like struck lisa page you know the russiagate people yeah they hated trump hated Trump. Yeah. And you're right. I agree with you about ideology. And I think that Donald Trump is is, you know, just throwing rubbing salt in the wound. And I honestly, I think that I think if Donald if Barack Obama didn't make fun of Donald Trump at that at that dinner, he probably wouldn't probably wouldn't have run if if barack obama didn't get on late night tv and clown on donald trump donald trump probably wouldn't have won so you want to complain about something complain about barack obama doing the mic drop that's why you got donald trump because you clowned him and made a fool of him yeah exactly i mean uh a lot of people have said trump wants to be loved so he's looking for compromise to get the most amount of love possible. And that's – I hear this a lot when people talk about the bump stock ban, that he had these gun control advocates and they were being nice to him.

So he was absolutely like, thank you. Oh, yeah, well, definitely. Be nice to the guy and the guy – he wants you to love him. I agree totally. Yeah. So we end up with – we have an FBI that has some agents. Now one of their lawyers actually got charged. So you heard about this, right?

Didn't they take out a bunch of insurance policies too? Yes. I heard about that. Yes. FBI agents were taking out liability insurance because they knew if anyone found out about what they were doing to Trump, they were going to get in trouble. That's nuts to me. That's crazy and the fact that they took out the insurance policies and and there isn't a ton of journalists trying to snoop around and come up with information about why they were what were you thinking and and etc etc is is proof that the the media doesn't have

very much interest in actually upsetting the apple cart you know it's not enough for them to not be journalists they must actively be anti-journalist that's how it works that's kind of the truth that's that's how i see it because when when the proud boys got name dropped by joe biden yeah what did all these journalists tweet out yeah don't interview the proud boys don't talk about them all of that it was like one person tweeted and then someone would quote it and created this chain of all the journalists being like we vow not to actually explore who these people are which is insane because a presidential candidate name dropped them and one of them said stand back and stand by incredible kind of important to figure out who he's telling to

stand by uh you would think so but as long as the as long as as the general tone that your normies are going to have about – or the attitude that normies have generally about the Proud Boys is that they're the bad guys, they don't want to touch it. They don't want anyone to dive in and find out that the Proud Boys have black members and the Cuban-American dude that's in charge. They don't want people to know. Yeah, they don't want people to know the truth. Yeah. It started as like a ridiculous joke based on an Aladdin song. Name the cereals. Yeah.

The naming the cereal things was based off of when someone farts. They can punch you until you name five cereals. Of course. Oh, that's what it was. And then it turned into getting – that's how you got in. Okay. Oh, my gosh. So, do you ever play the game doorknobs?

No. So, we used to do this in Chicago. If someone farted, you have to yell was. And then it turned into getting, that's how you got in. Okay. So, did you ever play the game doorknobs? No. So, we used to do this in Chicago. If someone farted, you have to yell safety. Okay. So, you know that fart's coming on, you fart with safety. But if you don't, someone yells doorknobs, they start punching you until you touch a doorknob. That's the Chicago version.

For Gavin, it was name five breakfast cereals and they'd stop punching you. And so, it was clearly all a reallyals and they stopped punching you and so it was clearly all a really dumb joke yeah that got taken way too far but still you know i always say like if these guys were if when they announced they're doing a rally if nobody shows up you know what happens nothing happens they they wander around they sing the they sing the national anthem they get drunk and they go home yeah they go to a bar and they drink that's it nothing happens they're just it's just like frat bros going around and chest bumping each other and stuff. Antifa shows up, however.

So I'm not going to rehash all that stuff. But the point is the news organizations didn't want anyone to realize they're not a white supremacist group. Like you can criticize them for a lot of things. We had Enrique on the show and we had a bit of back and forth on some issues but uh right now you know the media had an op at that time i should say the media media had an opportunity because donald trump said stand back stand by they wanted it to be white supremacy yeah but if they actually interviewed enrique tarrio who's not white then that would have been bad because it would have broken the narrative ruined it so then that you know what did we see with that that town hall last night with savannah guthrie she again asks trump will you denounce white supremacy

and trump's like ah you know what they told me backstage you're gonna ask me this you ask every single time and she was like aren't you a little you're a little hesitant he's like no i'm not i denounce white supremacy yeah i you i've i've heard Donald Trump say that I denounce white supremacy more times than I've heard any other human being say I denounce white. Yeah, I have literally out of all the people that I've ever interacted with in my entire 45 years. I've heard Donald Trump say I denounce white supremacy more than anyone. And he's still asked denounce white. So here's the bigger picture in all this. Because we jump from like the Bidens and now to the media.

It's the entirety of the establishment. It is. Big tech. Twitter, Facebook. This is something, Ian, you probably know a bit about. Especially when it comes to like. Because you moderate it for mines. So you've got Twitter and Facebook.

Story comes out. They nuke the story completely. The crazy thing was before anything happened. Facebook. This guy, Andy Stone, who worked for the Democrats said. We're reducing its visibility or whatever. they nuked the story completely the crazy thing was before anything happened facebook this guy andy stone who worked for the democrats said we're reducing its visibility or whatever or its reach or something why are these individuals censoring a story that made joe biden look bad yeah then and their excuses kept changing for facebook it was oh it's unverified yeah for twitter they said because they didn't publish where the origins were it's possibly hacked so they shut it down then it was oh no they revealed private information

now they're like okay it's actually it's fine now it was ridiculous it was all ridiculous just garbage to to try to uh you know cover up the story or or limit its its reach and the thing that's the thing that surprises me the most is is people just kind of bought that and we're like yeah okay we're not we don't you know okay this is this is the thing like that's the story like the biden stuff isn't as big of a story as you know the the cover-up and now you've got the aren't they going to be going doesn't jack have to go to capitol hill so far it's an invite i think it's an invite yeah and they always ignore this stuff that's why i'm like so so i think josh holly tries you know he really tries to get to the bottom of the censorship and the manipulation and

stuff but he doesn't have the power we're not a country of despots as much as the left wants to claim trump and the republicans are fascists they can't do much ridiculous yeah so these companies keep getting away with it yeah so i saw i i made a post about this i'm like i when when twitter blocked the government the house website house.gov yeah that was wow that was i was like welcome to black mirror baby that's it i'm not even i'm not even gonna be serious about this anymore when the story first came out i was like this is it you know or when they censored the new york post i'm like they are actively now cheating to help the democrats win it's there's no question because when trump's taxes tax tax information was released by the new york times trump denied it yeah that means the information was not verified in fact it was refuted

and no one cared when the leaked melania tapes came out no one cared this information oh whoa whoa whoa gotta shut it down gotta shut down and what do I hear from my lefty friends? But the story is not verified. Yeah. When have you ever asked me to verify any of these stories? Never. I can put out a story where it's like Donald Trump smacked a kid in the face and you're going to be like, wow. I believe it.

The orange man is so bad. Can you believe he smacked a kid? I totally can. What is it about this? Like, I'm not even sure. I'm not even convinced it's an actual establishment of people as much as it is some kind of weird mind frame where you have a bunch of people that can only point in a certain direction. So basically I'll put it this way. If the news comes out saying Trump is bad, it's immediately accepted as true.

Demi Lovato is like, I'm going to criticize the president even if it hurts my my career it's like oh come on yeah like then taylor swift come out with a song or something i love taylor swift i love her to death and as much as as much as uh i disagree with her on politics i will still consume whatever taylor swift puts out didn't you see that with no shame no question no shame you know what's that song where it's like um what's it what's it called you're you're you're talking too loud you better calm down you need to calm down yeah it was like the music video she put out was a caricature of you know of like hillbilly republicans in the in the early 90s or something moran sign and like being anti-lgbt or whatever and i'm like trump was was pro-gay marriage before he became president like what year are you looking from so they got

some old guy who's producing the music video anyway here's here's here's here's where i want to get to this question still loved it taylor that's right it's great if you make if you make a a story you know donald trump is bad donald trump throws a bag of puppies over a bridge people are gonna be like oh. You do a story. Donald Trump runs into a burning building to save a box of puppies. Prove it. That's not true. That's unverified.

I don't believe it. The fire wasn't even that hot, Tim. Yeah, come on, man. It was barely hot. Well, the joke I made before is that they'll find a way to make it negative. Yeah. Like Donald Trump. He is the president of the United States.

Should not be risking his life and this country for puppies. We all love puppies, but I was irresponsible. They'll find some way to make it. But anyway, the point is, I've talked about it before with COVID. If the story about COVID is that it's the end of the world,

you're totally fine. If the story about COVID is that there's hope, they ban you, they shut you down. So it's like, whatever this establishment is, they can only say one thing that aligns with their acceptable narrative i wonder if there's not really an establishment of like you know

corrupt people who are you know wealthy and in power as much as it is a bunch of people pointing guns at each other scared you know like the the idea being if i actually admit how i feel i'll get canceled so i better join the mob and cancel them so no one finds out. But in reality, everybody secretly agrees they hate what's going on, but they've trapped themselves. I think that you're probably right. There's a lot of people that are afraid of the repercussions of standing up and saying, no, I don't think that I agree with that. And, you know, like I said, I'm not like a pro-Trump guy. You're not going to find MAGA 2020 or whatever on anything that I put out.

I'll criticize Trump without hesitation if he does something stupid. The other day when he put up the Joe Biden meme where Joe Biden was in a, uh, an old age home. You're already laughing. I laughed. I can't. I know. I think the guy's a clown. Like Trump is hilarious.

He's a clown. Wait, it was Biden for residents. He was X'd out and it was Joe in an nursing home. I, I, it's, I think it's funny that Trump does that stuff.

I mean, Trump is a, uh, S poster and, and I think it's great. I think it's funny that Trump does that stuff. I mean, Trump is a S-poster and I think it's great. I think it's hilarious. I know that it makes people mad and they'll get over it. But, you know, it's dumb and that's what it is. And it's probably not a good idea for the president to be doing it, aside from the fact that, you know, people like me laugh about it.

But it's probably not a good idea. So i you know i criticized criticizing for that you trump shouldn't be doing this this is dumb or whatever but because i don't hate donald trump enough and because i'm i'm like well you know i'm critical when he deserves it i'm i'm probably like ben shapiro and the fact that you know shapiro has the good, bad Trump thing that he does. So I have no problem being like Trump's a bad, you know, Trump did this wrong or I don't agree with that. But it's people that stand up and stick their head up. You know, those those people will get, you know, get their head chopped. I think you're right.

I think there are a lot of people who are secretly pro Trump pretending to be an SJW. Like they'll tweet saying like, oh, Trump is bad. And then they're deep down like, I'm gonna go for Trump because I can't live this way anymore. They're scared of getting canceled. We had that Cato Institute poll. 62% of people are scared to speak their minds. The only the only there's strong liberal, liberal center, conservative, strong conservative the only one of those that felt comfortable expressing their opinions was strong liberal strong liberal strong liberal far left i mean i like liberalism i like free people i like liberty i don't like communism you know and like strong liberal strong liberal fine. But I draw the line at like American left versus international left.

American left. Cool. I get it. This is the crazy thing. When Cato says strong liberal, you know, they don't mean liberal in any way. Do you think they mean communist? They mean far left progressive because like that's just how they worded it. I mean, I don't activist.

Yeah. Yeah. More. It's so weird how liberal came to mean collectivist in many ways. In the US context, yes. But that's why I mentioned internationally. When you start to really kind of read about political philosophies, you know as well as anyone else that like – and I mentioned property rights early, property rights are foundational to, uh, to the, to the U S you know, uh, to the, to the U S mindset, I guess. Um, and I think that

the fact that people on the very far left don't acknowledge that you should have property rights, that's where the biggest problem for me comes up. You know, I can, I can get into, okay, I understand why people would want to have progressive taxation, or I understand why people would want to have, you know, safety nets. I understand why people would want to have some kind of universal healthcare, even though I don't think that it's a good idea. I think I understand why. I don't understand why people want to say you cannot own your home or a business or any kind of property that you can create things with. It's simple. I've noticed something at least anecdotally because I've covered a bunch of, you know, a lot of these civil unrest stories around the world, starting with the U.S., Occupy, moving to other countries. The protest in Venezuela when I was there was the rich people that were protesting.

Really? Yeah, because the government was taking their stuff away from them and impoverishing them, and so they got mad. In other countries, it's the poor that's protesting. So it tends to be in, like, Venezuela where they were enacting all this socialist policy, it was the middle to upper class that were angry and coming out in the streets and, you know,

protesting about it. But it's, it's really simple as to why they don't want you to have property because they don't have any. It's that simple. So they're not losing anything. That's such a, an ugly way to,

to, to, I guess, exist in society. Let's, let's, let's, let's,

let's play some, some communist scenario games. Cause I was, I was tweeting once and the great, Workers Party of Great Britain or whatever. Oh, that's the – that's one of the most clowned on Twitter accounts out there. I love it. Good for them for really believing it though because they keep coming back for more, man. That's amazing.

So good on them. It's got to be a parody account now. I can't believe – So listen, listen. I tweeted something like, we had a long exchange where the gist of it was, if we were in a socialist system, how do you draw the distinction between private property and personal property? They like to say no one should be allowed private property. And I'm like, so I can't have like my clothes? No, no, no, no. That's personal property. Okay, so what's the difference?

Where do you draw the line? There's no answer. There's no way to. So I asked this. I have a camera. It's a small little camera. I use it to produce videos. Does it qualify as want to build a car because I enjoy working on cars, how would I do that in a socialist or communist system where my job is told to me, essentially? Or maybe I chose a job. Maybe I decided I really want to be an accountant. But you know what? It's really fun to work on cars, and I want a hobby. They responded with, well, it's really simple. You would just work on a car. I was like, well, how do I get the car? You would just go to the plant and and i want a hobby they responded with well it's really simple you would just work on a car i was like well how do i get the car you would just go to the plant and say you wanted you wanted a car and you'd get it and i was like but other people want cars too and they're like right but you can just go there and get it and i'm like no no there's there's a

thing called scarcity they don't believe in scarcity amazing they don't i had i had someone tell me you really believe that scarcity exists and i was like uh i know for a fact it does because like i've been around the world and i know that there's places with no food and they were like no there is food it's just artificially kept from them we throw away so much food i'm like that that's not that doesn't mean you don't understand i i feel like the i feel like the con the like the the communists and socialists more communists to me if i'm if i'm being accurate because i think there's a lot of people that misunderstand what socialism is and and uh they don't realize that socialism leads to

communi you know lennon said the end result or the end goal of socialism is communism. I don't think that they realize that life is more complex than they seem to think. No matter how much food we produce in the U.S. and no matter how much we throw away, the inefficiency or the inability to efficiently distribute that food around the world is going to mean that some of that food is going to go bad and it won't get to people and blah, blah, blah. And just getting food to people in places that are very far away. It's like, it's not as easy as just, oh, we can make it and it'll just show up there. I love the idea of, what is it, fully automatic luxury communism? Yes. Yeah. Sounds amazing.

If you can come up with the Star Trek replicators, fine. Right, exactly. Totally. I'm on board. Go right ahead. No, no, no. To be honest, even that scenario, no way. Probably not. So they always say this to me, like, don't you want a Star Trek future?

And I'm like, yeah, they have replicators, bro. Like, they literally go, computer. Earl, what is it? T, Earl Grey. Earl it t earl gray yeah yeah yeah there you go and then it's just like it appears there they can they can teleport themselves they can replicate replicators not there yet yeah okay that's post scarcity dude but even even the star trek world isn't communist no they get they all they have credits and you know the ferengi were were always after latinum and latinum that's right i loved it i loved deep space nine i yeah yeah yeah good good show so but but in on in the federation it was that people always say it was communist but it's not communist no there was still you had to earn things you had to make your own things

you when you joined you had to earn your skills and then you could choose to join certain jobs you could freely move you could freely quit star fleet there was no mandatory service none of that didn't picard have a vineyard yeah yeah that's property exactly you know so they just ah they they it's it's kids who live in a fantasy world they don't understand the harsh realities of the world and i think that's why so many of these communists and socialist uh activists are young people, because they haven't actually ever experienced what it's like to be outside of the bubble. I'll put it this way. Could you imagine what Rockefeller would say if he was transported just like as like, you

know, at the peak of his wealth, he just appeared right now. I think he'd be freaked out that oil was destroying the ecosystem. No, he wouldn't. I think he would be freaked out that oil was destroying the ecosystem no he wasn't i think he would be i think if he realized how how destructive it is like the fracking and just the extraction has become he would rethink what he did i don't think so i mean he wasn't insane no the what i'm talking about is he was the he was the oil baron he was like the richest guy ever or not even let's do a better example i don't know the names of anybody behind the East India Trading Company, but that was like the biggest company in existence at the time. Back what year was the East India Trading Company?

1700s, I think. Was it? Yeah. Imagine taking any one of these people, the wealthiest people in the world, and bringing them now and bringing them to a low income housing project. I don't have to throw my poop out the window? Yeah, man. It's great. What?

Even the poor people can just go in the little room and it goes away. Yes. Yep. Excellent. Clean drinking water. Yeah. Air conditioning. Refrigeration.

Air conditioning is a big one. I tell you what, not to get off on a tangent, but Europe doesn't know about it. I know. Doesn't know about it. They don't get it. Dude, I was in the UK. I'll tell you what. And I was going

to be speaking at an event they booked me at a hotel on the fourth floor of this hotel all the heat was rising and it was like high 80 degrees in my hotel room and so i asked them do you have a fan i can crack the window and blow some air and they're like what's the problem and i was like it's like 89 degrees in my room i'm i'm profusely sweating and they were like oh okay we'll see if we can figure something out they found me me a fan. I got my fan. I was like, okay. So I decided, you know, I'm going to take a bath and chill and maybe like, you know, regulate body temperature.

I turned the water on. The water was boiling when it came out. I was like, what are these people? Are they like fire demons? They can like, yeah, what is this? Anyway, anyway. It's only hot for like 15 minutes in England. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I will. I heard there's a statue to the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami. There is. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. I need to look it up.

Look it up. Look it up. People have said that the reason why community has diffused in the United States, why we don't hang out with our neighbors as much as because of air conditioning. No way. Like in South America, they'll hang out outside on the front porch. That kind of makes sense. Yeah.

I could see it. Yeah. Air conditioning. I tell you what, in Dogma, the movie by Kevin Smith, the scene where Jason Lee walks into the room, into the house, turns the air conditioning up,

and just, you know, I feel that in my bones. No exquisite sin greater than central air. Perfect. I love it. Kevin Smith's great. Anyway, now that we're done making fun of this, was this guy he invented? Okay. You find John Gorey.

Oh, yeah. There's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami. He's pretty cool. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you, everyone. Is it because he invented air conditioning? I was told it was because I lived in Miami for a year. Well, let's look him up.

When you're in Miami and in the summer, every window is dripping with condensation from the air conditioning on the inside and the humidity on the outside. And no one goes outside. Yeah. It's like 101 and humid. Yes. And like the thunderstorms are awesome, though. Like the tropical storms. It's like, man, it's cool.

It's just like you're going to die. And you're like, yeah, it's like man it's cool it's just like like you're gonna die and you're like yeah it's great but you're fine yeah anyway the point is our poor people are overweight yeah yeah that's like so i think we we do have some kind of problem with regulation and i don't i don't mean regulation in terms of law i mean like regulating resources in certain ways so we have homeless people who are overweight yeah and we have poor people who have clean drinking water and air conditioning but not you know lack of access to other other resources that the point i'm trying to make is when they say things like abolish poverty and you know poverty shouldn't exist i'm like well if we base everything off of that like 1900 there is no poverty at all none except i guess homelessness but even then

homeless people are overweight so it's like a weird sugar that addictive sugar yeah yeah we could do something we could do something about the sugar industry i would love to get rid of corn subsidies yes there is no reason to have corn subsidies and have high fructose corn syrup and everything it is a it is a terrible policy in my opinion and And I would love to have sugar cane Coca-Cola available in the lower 48 as well. Hold on.

Why is there sugar in everything? I wouldn't mind. It's addictive. It makes money. You know what I like doing? You take a little shot of lemon juice, put it in club soda. It tastes great. It tastes great. I'm going to put sugar in it. It extracts the sugar that's already in your body into your taste buds.

I mean, I'm a black coffee drinker, you know, no sugar, no, you know, anything. So, I mean, I fully agree that we don't need to have sugar in everything. It's probably why we have so much diabetes, why we have so many overweight people. Yeah. It's like the tobacco industry of the day. They're peddling it to kids with commercials and cartoon characters like they used to in the 50s with tobacco.

I'm just over a year off of nicotine. I smoked for a long, long, long time. So that kind of getting people hooked on stuff, I take issue with it. So if we could do something to remedy that, I'd be all for it. As a libertarian, how do you kind of go into that kind of – do you utilize government regulations? How do you feel about those? I don't claim to know enough about most situations to say this is what should or shouldn't be done. But I do think generally as

a rule, you get better results when it's done, uh, privately for, for, for most issues. There are certain things that I think that you can't do, uh, in the, in the private, in the, in the, the private marketplace. But I think that most things are are better left to uh to private industry so as for regulation um you know corn subsidies i don't understand why we're paying people to either make you know grow corn or paying people to not grow corn yeah they pay people to not right what is it called fallowing is that what's called fallow i don't know much about it but i know that they do pay to keep uh you know keep um fields empty and stuff sometimes so i don't know much about it, but I know that they do pay to keep fields empty and stuff sometimes. So I don't know the ins and outs of it.

I'm not in any way an expert, and anything that I say should be taken with a grain of salt. But the idea of putting high-fructose corn syrup in everything. Solid dressing. It's crazy. I don't think that's necessary it didn't exist until the 90s i don't think 92 is that when they invented that stuff really 92 yeah what's that seems high fructose corn syrup i don't know it didn't used to exist i mean corn syrup's been around for a while yeah yes for 10 is deadly so so following isn't

specifically uh you know when they're forced to but following is when they till the land and don't do anything with it so i actually interviewed some farmers when i was in california and they said it's a big part of what happens is like they'll have the people come out and tell them okay we're gonna foul your fields for the next amount of time and we're gonna pay you yeah it's like just paying them not to farm dude i was doing i mean i mean i i think it's my initial reaction to a lot of these things is i might not understand, but I try to be very careful not to take heavy actions against or for something just because I don't understand. So, for instance, you know, Trump was paying off a lot of farmers because the trade war was hurting a lot of the farm industry. But the trade war was the result of us losing many jobs and production overseas that we needed to bring back.

So it created this ripple effect. And then Trump had to like plug a hole that popped up over here. Did we actually end up did the trade war work? Because I'm again, as a libertarian, I kind of was like, I don't think the trade war is a good idea. Trade war leads to real war. China's got nukes. They're already, you know, getting buck wild in the South China Sea. And there's, you know, there's all kinds of stuff that's going on over there i don't know if the trade war produced the results that we

wanted to because we're still trillions of dollars in debt to china i mean i mean well the debt just kept going up yeah especially you know under trump but uh i i think in one way i one way we i i can say i think we did is that a lot of jobs were coming back. And one of the problems is we don't make our own medicine. We don't make our own vitamin C, our own materials. And COVID was a real slap in the face to America. I mean, it proved Trump right in a lot of ways. It was last year.

Apparently, the Trump administration was saying, like, we need to restore our medical supply production back in the U.S. He was saying before COVID? Way before COVID. But it's been Trump's thing. It's like, we got to get our factories back. Here's what we we got to do and so it was like some trump admin people said it i remember i covered it and i was like this was in september of last year yeah we need to bring our our uh medical supplies back to the u.s then covid hits and it was like sign the executive order get it done because we need it and so i think even before all that one of the reason the economy was doing

better and better at least partly was you know the the tariffs the the trade war and we started seeing factories come back i remember i don't know if you saw what michael moore said in 2016 about trump yeah that's amazing yeah and it's it's so did you hear what no so so michael moore had this like bit where he went in this long. He tells us long story. And he's like, Donald Trump went into a meeting with executives from the auto industry. And he said to their faces, I am going to put a tariff on your vehicles of 30 percent and no one will buy your car ever again if you make it overseas. And they said, you know, try it. And Trump said, I will.

So these people who see Trump doing this are going to vote for him. And it will be the biggest collective FU in history. And he says, and they're going to love it for a week. It'll feel good. Yeah, it'll feel good. Maybe a month, maybe a year. And then like the people who voted for Brexit, they will come to regret it. The best part about that is three years later brexit got voted on again and won they did not regret it at all and the people who voted for trump enjoyed the greatest economy of our generation so michael moore had the first part right second part not right yeah the the if it wasn't for covet i think that donald trump would be landslide oh for sure i really redox i think that there's a lot of people that that still uh don't

want to say positive things about him and and there's the general consensus that you know it's politically incorrect to say good things about trump um but i do think that uh i do think that if it wasn't for covet it'd be a landslide and if you really look at the covet situation i mean i was talking to someone on twitter the other day and i'm like you know back in in march and april they were talking about you know everyone in the country's probably going to get it you know 75 of america's probably going to get it it's super contagious and we're going to have one percent die so you're talking about millions of people dying and i, I don't want to downplay 200 and change thousand people dying. But if we if we look back at what was going on and what the conversations that were that were being had back then and then look forward and come back to now, it's like 200 and change thousand people is a whole lot less than than a few million.

Yeah, I know. That's what I was thinking. That few million yeah i don't that's what i was thinking that's what everyone was thinking that's what i thought i thought it was like we're gonna have like i mean so it's it's it's a spot on point there was a new york times article where you could add two slider bars and you could slide up to percent infected and mortality rate and they were like if this percent of people contract it and this percent of we have this percent of mortality, it was like 12 million people could die. And the low end was like one point seven. Yeah.

So it sounds like based on what they were telling us, the low end, we are below the low end. And that what happened worked. And it's a combination of the Democrat governors locking down and Trump's efforts in banning travel together. Seems like it worked out for us. Not perfectly. People died. What can we do about it? You know, I tell you this.

Trump misses his cues in these town halls and these debates because he gets asked, why is, ladies and gentlemen, why is the mortality rate per capita in the U.S. worse? Why are more people dying per capita in the U.S. than other countries? It's Donald Trump's fault, they say. Let's answer this. Oh, I got a simple answer for you. It's because several governors put sick people in nursing homes killing thousands of the elderly crazy they didn't do that in other countries did they and that was democrats who

did that and now cuomo's like that didn't happen i didn't do that i didn't kill all those people yes he did so you know you don't like to think like you you mentioned this sane rational people have memories people who have trump derangement syndrome have selective memories yeah they don't they don't want to remember any of this i i hate to because of i have good friends that really really hate donald trump and so i don't want to i don't want to you know paint with a broad brush but and especially because i mean i'm i'm definitely an outside view point when it comes to uh the the entertainment industry uh you know people that are in the entertainment industry generally do not have a positive view of donald trump um and i get it but like

it really does seem like you're right that people that really don't like Trump and have TDS or whatever. Trump anxiety disorder is the official term. It's an actual official. Yeah, it's such a, it's like a clown car on fire. Seriously. Just ramming into the wall. Cl clown body parts think about it this way flames i love it you've got people who love trump and trump can do no wrong yeah there's a there's a decent amount of them but not if you took the and they're clowny too for sure so here's the

point if you take trump's die hard trump can do no wrong individuals and you put them in a room next to the Trump derangement syndrome, it's 10 to 1. The Trump derangement syndrome grossly outnumber the Trump diehard fanatics. So I often ask this question, and especially on this show, how do we know that we're not in the wrong side of history or in the paranoid bubble? Well, I'll tell you this. The side of history is really dependent upon the winners i guess yeah so for all we know the communists win and then we're the bad guys i get you know maybe that's what happens but i can tell you man there's a couple ways to determine that we are on the correct side of things at least in our views and the first one i mentioned the other day is i can say i condemn white supremacy and I condemn Antifa.

There's zero problem saying extremists who engage in violence for whatever reason are bad. I think we've got extremist white supremacists who engage in very dramatic and horrifying acts of terror. And we have terrorism coming from Antifa. It's all bad. There you go. The left, these leftists can't say it at all. They can't say Antifa bad. They can't do it.

But I'll tell you what else. I can say this. Donald Trump led us to a really great economy donald trump's also an arrogant boastful like loud mouth you know i can say donald trump's peace agreements are historical and amazing and i can say donald trump saying we need retribution and that the feds went in and just killed the guy because they didn't want to arrest him that's insane the fact that i can I can easily be like, that's good, that's bad, shows that we are calm and rational and considering what's before us. And the people with Trump anxiety disorder are not thinking clearly. They're not. What about this?

George Washington was a violent terrorist. Well, I mean, I don't even think the British view him that way. Yeah, he was literally deemed a terrorist by King George. I've talked to my friends who are British and they say they don't – it's like you got to – what I was told is you got to understand, Tim, that is a blip in our history that didn't even last that long. Well, because they didn't win. No, but at the time. George Washington's terrorist organization won. Yeah.

Pretty great organization, I dare say. Liberal. Liberal terrorist organization. Freedom and individuality. You know, if you talk to you know Carl Benjamin. Yes. And so like I watch his stuff a lot and I heard him talk about the United

States as being the end result of what the English were trying to do. And he's just trying to take credit for the cool stuff. He might be the first to ban slavery is the english uh i don't know if they think they were but i i know that they before us yeah they did it before

us um and i'm thinking more um along the lines of of the the the way that individuals are looked at as opposed to the way that the monarchy was looked at in England. The idea is that the English, the ideas that were like laid out in the Magna Carta and laid out that really kind of got their start in England. Don't they still have a house of lords where their political power is derived from their land ownership centuries ago they've inherited i don't know i don't know enough about it to to to criticize a lot but it does sound like a house of clown cards right yeah so uh no i can't i can't um i i get i get it i think i think a lot of these ideas um made their way over here and then something really interesting that happened i guess is distance from the crown yeah people had no allegiance something they didn't know about i mean you were born here yeah and you grew up here you're like i don't know no king yeah i don't know anything about that and so people were like stop telling me what to do yeah especially when you consider like in in

if you were in england or whatever you're in london it's a very dense populated area yeah you grew up in the in the colonies or whatever you're in wilderness it's wilderness as far as i can see you can do whatever you want you're like walking through the woods like you know take a dump wherever and like you're you're shooting your musket and stuff and you're yelling and singing you're you go to back to england to go to london and you got rules you can't do that same is true for here in the u.s you live in new york you can't play loud music you got in the middle no you can fire a gun you know into the hillside or whatever i uh i am familiar with that so you you have a bunch of people it's really fascinating because i was thinking about the urban versus rural debates that we have in the country this is before like

the internet era you know like maybe the 2000s and i was like there really is an interesting thing here where you see like the urban cities are very restrictive and the rural conservatives are much more about freedom and openness because they have more space to kind of be free and it's similar in many ways to like what made people want to leave these these densely populated areas in europe and come to the new world and find something new sanders was on to something when he was talking about the uh assault weapons ban and he's like seriously look, that's, he's like, we don't have that problem in Vermont because we're a rural state. And, and so it's not a thing. And, you know, as much as I'm not really, I was never really a pro Bernie Sanders guy. I was definitely much more of a Ron Paul guy. But he definitely had, you know, he had some points you know sanders has had some some yeah but he sold

out well yes he did i mean look when he he laid down and kissed the ring which he should have never done and i i've again talking to some of my more left-leaning friends that i'll be like you know look sanders was made a clown by hillary clinton and having to give up the mic to those protesters on his own stage. And that was it was just like he's he's a wuss. He's not going to. He can't be president. I'm trying to be with.

I'm doing it. I'm doing it. You know, and then people will be, well, you know, they make the excuses. And I just I'm just like, Ron Paul never sold out. What? You know, and people like, oh, you know out. What? What's up? Yeah. And people are like, oh, you know, I know you're blah, blah, blah, Ron Paul and da, da, da. But it's true.

But no. Ron Paul caught so much crap from everybody all the time. Dr. No. Constantly. Yeah. Dr. No. The only guy or one of him and one other guy, him and Kucinich voted no on something that everybody else voted on. Yeah.

That's why I liked Kucinich, voted no on something that everybody else voted on. Yeah. That's why I liked Kucinich back in the day. Yeah. And the other thing Ron Paul did is he self-replicated a younger version of himself. He did. He did. Now he's also in everything. Rand is awesome. I'm a big fan of Rand Paul as well.

I'm like, he's the no vote. There's very few politicians I will outright be like, I really like that politician. And it's basically just Rand Paul. Because there's other politicians I can say, I like they've done this. I like they've done that. Like Ro Khanna, for instance, is a Democrat who called out Pelosi because she won't sign the stimulus deal. And I think he's absolutely right. I think at this point, the Senate is Republican.

The presidency is Republican. If you want to get this signed and done, you don't have the leverage to sit there and scream. You just get the people the checks they need. And even he recognized that. But Pelosi is like, I won't give Trump the orange man. You can't win. It boggles the mind. It's unfortunate that she has the cover that she has because most people don't pay very close attention.

I don't feel like they do. And I feel like that's what she's relying on because if the average person knew that the democrats were holding up a stimulus bill that they were they were the the reason that we couldn't get something passed to you know to provide relief for the american people i think that that it would have a significant effect on their attitude cnn called her out did they really wolf blitzer good said your colleagues want you to agree to this good for them and she goes well we represent these people and and like they were both trying to get the last word it was oh yes okay i heard yes i did hear that all right i heard i didn't i didn't know exactly what the context was but i

heard the back the exchange so and the crazy thing to me is you normally got these lefties who defend the media and they're like trump is wrong for insulting the media now i'm seeing all of these progressives i know cnn is trash they're they're they don't understand it's trump's fault now i'm like okay yeah fake news huh that's what they're saying about the new york post they've spent they've cnn has has spent three and a half or four years trying to do everything they can to discredit donald trump like four years of of you know what program is coming up it's the orange man bad show yeah with with brian selter followed by the orange man bad show with chris cuomo followed by farid zakaria and why the orange man is really bad and fat and unhealthy oh yeah know, like, so here's the thing, too. It's like

maybe there is a bias on my part. I can, I just praise Ro Khanna because he also voted in line with Trump to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan. Yeah, get out. And I'm like, this guy sounds pretty good. He's also voted on some things I think are kind of bad. And I'm like, so I don't agree with this guy across the board.

But hey, man, if you're anti interventionist, you want to get our troops back and you're you're willing to compromise and i will give you praise and respect yep you turn on cnn no there's not a kind word for trump at any point and they do this they they do this faux recognizing trump that's not real like well we understand the president but yeah but the thing. The thing, like you mentioned earlier, like Rand Paul. And I agree totally, Rand Paul, I'm a big fan. You can look at Rand Paul and see the way that people like Tony Posnanski. Who's that?

He's a Twitter guy. He's a hollerback guy. Hollerback? Yeah, he's one of those hollerback girls on the internet. And he just hates on Rand Paul. And it's like, look, I get that you don't like some of the policies, but really what you're hating on is this narrative that's been built about Rand Paul. Because Rand Paul is the guy that came up with the Justice for Breonna Taylor bill.

No one knows that. And no, exactly. Nobody knew. No one is aware. They were yelling at him in the street. is the guy that came up with the justice for brianna taylor bill no one knows that and no exactly nobody knew no one is aware they were yelling at him in the street say her name i drafted the bill it's like people don't know what policies he would be for or against they don't know anything about his his uh philosophy of what how he how he thinks that the government should be organized and what what the role of the senate and congresses and blah blah they just go and they say oh ran paul he's that guy that tony posnanski the guy that that sells baseball cards on twitter doesn't like like that it's it's again i mean my shirt says everything is stupid and nothing matters and it's

really true it really there – there's so – In like kind of faux Cyrillic. I love it. Exactly. Hold on. Yeah, there you go. And that's – I mean that's kind of a catchphrase that I've kind of adopted because there's just so much stupidity where people just don't know why they're upset or why they're angry, why they don't like this person or that person or whatever. I don't want to name any of these lefty channels.

So just so you guys know because i don't want to promote them or even drag them i don't want people going but it's like when when there are people who try to make videos criticizing me and it's clear they've never actually watched any of my videos it's it's that's that's the problem it's you have people who found a way to monetize tribalist rage yeah and then they say things that aren't true or don't make sense but it doesn't matter as long as it satiates that that that tribalist lust for attacking the other so you'll get a lot of these channels on youtube both left and right that are like this youtuber is dumb no that youtuber is dumb and i'm like i wonder if you guys actually watch each other's content and they don't they probably don't you know clips maybe clips that are sent to them from from and

the clips are going to be out of context and it's like you could that's why i'm very careful when i like i was quoting um prince harry when he made yeah i heard that yeah this is what prince harry said prince harry said that he thinks according to prince harry that this world prince harry says was made according to prince harry you gotta do it that way because they're gonna cut it and they're gonna be like there was one where i was uh paraphrasing some racist stuff that he said i know it's super okay we gotta we gotta say it now so people understand the context but prince harry said said that this world was created by prince harry according to prince harry white people and then he went on to say uh it was created by them for, according to Prince Harry, white people.

Can you believe that? A full quote. That's amazing. Without the four Prince Harrys in between. But I do that because you know they're going to try and pull it and they don't care. We should also point out he's not a prince anymore. Someone, I think I received some comments, he's not a prince anymore, guys. Yeah, he lost his title.

It's true. So now he's just Harry. Good. He's just a guy? He's just Harry. Well, then what do I care what some guy thinks? No, exactly. He's just a guy? Well, then what do I care what some guy thinks? He's just a guy. He's just a guy that's holding Megan's purse.

Oh, gosh, at this point. That's kind of the deal, man. She's just like, Harry, if you want to get any tonight, you better get up there and you better say these things. Dude, she made him get rid of his guns. The man was a hunter and he was a soldier. Dude, she made him get rid of his guns. The man was a hunter and he was a soldier. And his wife made him get rid of his guns.

It is a sad story, man. I was in a relationship with someone that I really, really, really cared about. And I wasn't about to move somewhere where I wouldn't have. No way, man. That's not a healthy relationship. No. You can't do that. Because she clearly doesn't respect him at all.

Yeah. What, does she just want to be a princess, I guess? She wants to be president. She was a princess. She wants to run for president. Oh, she does? She does. She has aspirations of presidential.

Yeah. You know, she's going to be... By the time she gets to the point where she could, AOC will already have taken the spot that she's after. I really think AOC's going to run at some point. I'm really excited for an AOC presidency, though. Why is that? Oh, yeah.

It's going to be like being at a circus. It's going to be like trapeze. There's going to be clown cars crashing into walls. And we're going to be sitting there. The news is going to be crazy. It's going to be great. And they're going to be telling you how great she's doing. Things are on fire. She's going to be standing there like the news is going to be crazy. It's going to be great. And they're going to be telling you how great she's doing. Things are on fire.

Yeah. She's going to be standing there with a smile on her face. People behind her are like screaming. And it's like, please disperse. Nothing to see here. It'll really end up being like the Hunger Games, really, where like, you know, the people that are in District 1 in D.C. in the area are doing very, very well. And they're vomiting so they can keep gorging themselves.

You know what I love? The rest of the country is going to be falling apart. What people don't understand is like, I don't know if you heard the quote from Greta Thunberg, where she was like, we don't want to wait till 2030. And she's like, we don't want to wait till 2050 or 2030 or not even 2021. We want it now. We want to end these investments and subsidies. It's like, yeah. All right, Ver veruca salt 20 million

people will die overnight yeah because like we transport food into areas that have no food could you imagine if they got rid of fossil fuels like the antarctic antarctic researchers would just die just like instantly they would just die if only like the ghost of christmas future could come and grab all the socialists and be like if we implemented all of your stuff this is the future that you get you know that'd be great just to get get where's that ghost of christmas future to come and show everybody what what the future would be like if they got what they wanted i think it's because um you know going back to the conversation we were having about not you know poor people being kind of well off but there's weird distribution issues yeah you've got these people that spent

their whole life with everything handed to them. And we're at this point now where we're so well off, there's almost no struggle. Even when you're poor, you got food, you got air conditioning, got clean water, you got a hot bath. And that's poverty level in this country. I'm not saying life is good for them relative to where it is for the middle class, but relative to people 100 years ago, it's living like kings. And so what happens is what's, you know, if you can't clean yourself, and if you have dirty water,

you live in the middle of nowhere, you drink from a well, you get infections, you get parasites, you get sick. Life is a struggle. Now, we're at a point where even our lower middle class are living very, very well relatively. And so based on survivability standards, which would be universal not predicated upon the the success of our country they're kings and so they grow up with their bare necessities almost essentially met everything's handed to them they go to school they're told to do they get a job they go you know finally they go they go through college high school whatever they get their degrees and they're told to do the entire entire time they have no understanding about resource distribution they've probably never

even grown it grown a plant they have no idea where their food comes from yeah so they're just like i wake up and there's oh you know what i'm gonna stop right there i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you a joke there's a really funny sketch where that this apartment's all messy and this guy's girlfriend comes in and she wakes up her boyfriend and she's like, you need to clean this mess up. And he goes,

wait, let me show you something. And he puts the garbage on top of the coffee table and he goes, now all we have to do is go to sleep and we wake up, it'll be gone. And then she's like, are you kidding me?

Because she's the one who's cleaning all the trash. That's kind of what it's like. They just wake up one day, they cleaning all the trash. That's kind of what it's like. Yeah. They just wake up one day, they walk in the cafeteria, and there's food. Well, I don't know where it came from. I would add also, unemployment is very strange. I've been on unemployment.

I don't know if you guys have ever been on unemployment before. But you lose your job, you sign up, you start getting a check, 500 bucks a week or whatever. But if you get a job that's going to pay you 400 bucks a week, you lose your 500 bucks a week. So there's incentivizing you to not get a job. And these are the people now that are out there. They're probably on unemployment because of COVID. A lot of people encouraged to not get a job. It's worse than that.

When I was on unemployment, I worked a job that was essentially sales. It was fundraising. And so it was commission based. But that meant that the unemployment I was eligible for was dramatically lower than what I actually earned on average. And so when I was on the phone with the woman, she said, you know, have you looked for work? And I said, I have. And I was like, I have a question though,

because there are jobs I could get, but they pay so much less than what I used to make. And like, I'm getting paid well. And she goes, no, no, no, no, stop, stop. Don't take a job that pays you less. Stay on unemployment. And I was like, why? And she said, when we get people who take a job that pays less than their unemployment,

they quit the job, they lose the job. You need to make sure you can maintain your standard of living. Otherwise, you'll be back on unemployment. That's actually a good point. If you have a base requirement, if you have a car payment and a mortgage or a rent or whatever and your unemployment's covering it and you find a job that will pay you but it pays less than your your necessities she was basically saying we can't have that because then you'll be homeless you'll be in trouble yeah but that still creates this problem where it's like okay i'll stand on

employment i won't find it i won't take the job. And I feel like, you know, what do you do? I feel like Milton Friedman talked about that kind of stuff. I'm not super well read on, on Austrian economics and stuff, but that's something that libertarians do talk about is, is when you have government provided safety nets and stuff. If you're making $500 a week from the government, then you're not going to get a job for $450 or for $400. A better way to put it is that it creates a tendency. Maybe most people would say I'd rather work because work is fulfilling. But maybe just enough people get trapped and then you create a trap where you gradually you gradually catch more and more people and it gets worse and worse and worse i think

that's the biggest problem is the fact that it becomes a trap where people you know if you're getting five hundred dollars a week uh to to start something on your own that's actually above board that you're going to be you know unless you're doing like a side hustle that you're not telling the government about but like if you're going to start something on your own then people get used to making a certain amount of money so even if you can cut back and survive on 400 there's not a whole lot of incentive to do that right you know just to get off the government handout so what do you think about ubi universal basic income uh there again that's something that that milton fried Friedman had talked about.

And there is a libertarian argument. If it gets rid of all other entitlements, it's something that I think that may be worth talking about. That was Yang's position. Yeah. And I didn't hate on Yang at all. I liked him. I think UBI, I'm not a big fan of it, but I thought he has a very comprehensive policy across the board. I like him except for the fact that he was a Democrat.

And it's not because there's anything wrong with Democrats. It's because of the official DNC party. It's not that he's a Democrat and would like Democrat policies. It's because I believe the DNC official is corrupt and bad. I can give you one simple reason why you don't vote for Democrats. You can get a moderate Democrat to come out and say, I agree with everything you said, 100%, and I will put forth bills, and I will agree on all of those things.

And guess what? When Nancy Pelosi says, we're impeaching Trump, they go, okay. So you're empowering Pelosi and Schumer. And I look at these moderate Democrats who won in 2018, impeaching trump they go okay yeah so you're empowering pelosi and schumer and you know i look at these moderate democrats who won in 2018 and the meme idea i like to use is the lord of the rings you know cast cast it into the flames you've got a zeal door holding the the one ring and it says orange man bad and they they promised they would cast it into the fires if you just got them

to mount doom yeah and then once they were there the moderates yelled cast into flames and no and they walked out and they went to impeach trump the orange man is bad it's such an idiotic god it's awful so uh that that's that's that's so that's when i was like you know what you can't vote for him even if even if you do like i really liked yang and i really like tulsi and i don't agree with everything tulsi has uh on in terms of her policy positions yeah or yang either when it comes to ubi specifically specifically i just thought yang had like the most comprehensive list of plans that i've seen in a long time i'm a big i'm a big 2a supporter um and that for me is yeah he was they were both gun control they're both bad and i've changed i've flipped on that completely yeah because of

the riots yeah and then i've always been kind of a pro 2A guy. But the fact that there's so many people that are, you know, purchasing guns. And I don't know if you've tried to buy ammo, but it's a nightmare. Oh, man. It's gone. It's a nightmare. And I've taken, you know, I go to classes every single year. I'm one of those guys that's like, if I talk about guns, I try to go down the four basic firearm safety rules, you know, and, and I really advocate people getting out in training and I put up video of me training.

So that way people see that I'm not just talking about it, which I think there are too many people that do that. Like I actually walk in the walk. And if you could give me a Democrat that would just say, you know what? I think that the second Amendment means what it says. And that's something that I'm really not going to worry about. I'm not I'm not pro gun control. I could look at Democrats completely different if they, you know, if there was someone that was like, oh, the Second Amendment means what it says. But did you ever read the the original text of the first draft of the Second Amendment?

I don't know. Maybe not. I know that there were multiple drafts and there were different places that they put commas and stuff like that. So let me see if I can find it. So I think it's in Wikipedia. Maybe we can't. United States Bill of Rights. I don't know if I'll be able to find it, actually.

But there were 17 before. We should get those printed up and put on the wall. The original 17. It was like Bill of Rights. I don't know if I'm able to find it, actually, but there were 17 before. We should get those printed up and put on the wall. The original 17. It was like the 17 articles. I don't think I'm gonna be able to find it in this because... Do you want to Google? Do you want to search it? No, no.

It's on Wikipedia. It's a list. But I'll just tell you, basically, the original text specifically said that a person who doesn't want to join the armed forces still has the right to bear arms. Oh, really? They got rid of it, I think, because they were worried that it would ban conscription or something like that.

But right now, one of the big arguments we see from the left is a well-regulated militia. The government's supposed to regulate it. And it's like, that's not what they meant. That's not what they meant. And the original text said something like, this will not be, I don't have the exact language pulled up but it was something like a person who refuses military

service you know still retains their right to bear arms yeah because what they were trying to make sure of you know just because someone wasn't going to be in a militia they can still have a gun yeah the the idea that considering the constitution is a a document that expressly gives power to the government, and then the Bill of Rights is a list of things specifically off limits to the federal government. If you take the context, if you look at it from that context, there's no prior restraint or no prior limitation to what a person is allowed to own and i hear some people arguing that had the dc versus heller case created a freedom or something like that um what's the case the dc versus heller case is about whether an

individual has a right to own a gun for personal protection. And the, the, the court found, yes, they, the individual does have a protected right to own a gun for personal protection. And it's,

it's fairly simple. The people that are, that find an issue with gun control or find an issue with the second amendment and that are pro gun control the way that they approach it is that the government has the authority to give you rights and your rights come from your humanity your the government doesn't have the ability to give you a right they can give you an entitlement so if you the right to health care is actually an entitlement to the government paying for your health care to the people yeah not because the

people have to supply the resources and the labor exactly so but there's that brings in the the argument of positive versus negative rights and and i don't think positive rights are actually rights they're not really right yeah yeah negative rights are the only rights that can this is because you've talked about going out in the woods and you have the right. You can say whatever you want in the woods because you can say it and no one can stop you. You can build a – you can take a stick and turn it into a weapon to – because no one can stop you. But the actual having to do something for someone else is where the problem is. So, yeah.

So the way I usually explain it is if you want to figure out what your rights are, strip naked and go in the middle of the woods. Yeah. Anything you can do is your right to do. That's fair. You can defend yourself. You can create a weapon. You can scream all you want. And you're naked.

You can take a dump. Once you start imposing on other people, like taking a dump in their water, you got problems. But so there's no doctor. You have a right to health care. Oh, okay. Yell at the grizzly. See if he'll come fix your wound. It's not gonna happen that was reading about positive and negative rights and the easiest way to explain it is that a negative right to life means i can't kill you we all have that in this

country a positive right to life means that if ian tries to kill you i'm obligated to save you or if you're dying or injured i'm obligatedated to save you. I must do something. That's not a right. You have no right to someone else's life. And I think that's the big difference between authoritarian and libertarian. Or I shouldn't say it's one of the – I should say it's one of the big differences. When they say healthcare is a human right, what they're saying is the labor of a class of people belongs to the people. It's socialist. It's not a human right.

You can't force someone to do anything so what's going to happen you're going to go to a hospital and be like i try i try asking my my my lefty friends this they have no answer and they just kind of just dance around it because they can't if health care is a human right what would happen if what would you do if you went to a hospital and the doctor said i refuse to treat this person do you just point a gun at them and say, do it or else? That's, I mean, what do you do if they say no? I mean, you're in a position where you can't do anything without violating their rights. Yeah.

You know, you can't force someone to do something without violating their innate right to say, I don't want to. You know, maybe the NPC people just have no individuality. And so they don't care to lose it. When it comes to rights, I think people should have a human right to the internet right now because it's technologically simple. So if medicine was simple, if it didn't take you or any other person, if I could walk into a DNA replicator that would just heal my body back to full, then everyone should have a right to that, I think. Good. I was going to full, then everyone should have a right to that, I think. I think so. Good. I was going to say, yeah, yeah.

In the world where we have post-scarcity technology and everyone can be healed. It's a totally different argument. Right. It's so different. So like a right to the internet now because electricity is so free and cheap for the most part that we can gain new rights, basic human rights, I think. I don't know. I think that i disagree and i think the reason i disagree is because to have a right to the internet would imply that you have a right to a connection to

the internet that has to be built by people maintained by maintained by people electricity you have yeah there's a lot of things that go into it you have the right to access the internet yes so you have you have the right to access health care you have the right to access a gun to defend your life the the right to defend your life is innate regardless of whether or not you have a gun i'll tell you what if i attack if i jump across here and i attack you right you have the right to defend yourself empty-handed right yeah um if you had a gun on you and i was threatening your life you have the right to use that gun to defend your life it's the defending of your life that's the right and then the protection afforded you in the second amendment is that the government cannot prevent you from from using a tool or whatever tool you find best will help

you defend your life so the second amendment covers knives it covers nunchucks it covers bows and arrows it covers anything that's a weapon. It covers warships. It does cover warships. The cannons. I love this argument from the left that they're like, they expect you to have a musket. I don't know if you've ever seen this commercial where an angry guy storms into an office and then he aims the musket and fires and then starts, you know, he puts the gunpowder in and starts stuffing. Everyone runs away.

And they're like, this is what the founding fathers were talking about. And I'm like, dude, corsairs and privateers were a whole part of this thing for hundreds of years. You had dudes who privately owned warships that would sink government vessels. Second Amendment covers everything, dude. I want tanks. Yes, me too. Well, tanks are legal. Yes, they are. Tanks are legal.

And I remember there was some guy who tweeted, you can't own a tank, dude. And then it was actually this. It was a lefty, like a progressive who was like, actually. And they wrote a story about a dude who owned a tank and was firing a full auto 50 cal into a lake on his property. And the police got a call because they hear the cops show up, pull up, and they see this kind of tank into his lake. And then he stops and he takes his headphones off or whatever and he waves and they're like it's your property and he goes yeah and they're like carry on sir that was it like it's not legal like you're like man what do you what are you blowing all that

money for i'll tell you what though i got good news for you now that the the progressives have shifted the the argument from negative to positive, healthcare being a human right. If we have a right to access something, if our rights are positive, then the government is obligated to give us all guns. I know. You know, you'd think. You'd think.

If only it worked out that way. You get a voucher, and then you go to the Department of Gun Services, and you show your voucher, and it's good for one long gun. We all know how crappy that gun would be. I know. Oh, yeah.

That's a good point. I don't know a lot about guns, but it would probably jam all the time. We can talk later. I know a lot about guns. What's a really crappy gun you think the government would give if they had to give guns? Well, I mean, if they had to give guns, they've got ARs now or M16s now. So I guess they would give those, but they probably wouldn't be in proper working order it would be a it would probably be a government manufactured low quality low caliber

high points what is that it's garbage and i'm sure there are people watching now that are like yeah that's what the government give the high point high point is it's uh but if it's the only gun you got it's the only gun you got man i'm not trying to dog on the gun yeah it is a gun it's a gun yeah i mean man since uh the riots you've got i don't know did you hear about this mass historical exodus of police in seattle that's something that i think that that i was kind of hoping that we would talk about is i think that there's going to be a lot there's going to be a significant increase in violence in cities all over the country because cops ain't having it. They're just like, man, you do you. You know?

Yeah. And I'm afraid for what that means for your average person that just wants to go and live their life. But, like, you know, I'm not in any rush to see New York City look like it did in Taxi Driver. Or in June. In June. Yeah. Or just a couple months ago. Yeah, it's true.

It's true. I know people that live in New York that, you know, they're like, man, you know, there's some wild stuff going on. And, you know, gunshots just hanging out in brooklyn and and stuff and it's it's worse than people know i've been i've been hearing some stories man i i and i'm sure that they're not publicized on big media you know check it out if if if you're walking on the street in new york and someone punches you in the face that news if it's rick moranis if it's rick moranis for regular people it's not and i was just talking to some guys and they were saying like in Minneapolis. And it was crazy.

This guy was like, we were talking about crime and defunding the police. And then he just stops and goes, oh, hey, did you hear so-and-so got punched in the face? And I'm like, what? Just randomly punched in the face. It's like, wait, wait, wait. You know somebody's walking down the street. Someone punched him in the face. Yeah.

And that's not normal. No, it never happens. It's not news. New York Times is not going to come out and be like another woman was punched. But apparently attacks like this are happening in a bunch of these cities and the cops don't care anymore so in seattle i think the number is 118 have have quit the force and and probably dozens more are doing blue flu right where they call in sick all the time and they're using their pay their leave until they can get close to retirement so this is is from KTTH 770 up in,

I think it's in Seattle. I forgot the guy's name. Jason Rance, maybe. Yeah, I love him. Yeah. And he was saying that they looked into it. They checked the numbers. And this is a historical exodus

from the police department. Like this number is ridiculously huge. And response times for 911 calls is up to nine minutes. Nine minutes. So here's what I was thinking. If I'm going to be in a city where they tell me i can't have a gun i can't protect myself and then they're telling me the 911 is not gonna be able to get to me for 10 9 10 minutes yeah what's that saying when seconds matter the cops are minutes away yeah yeah so i left the

city yeah i mean i so i lived in new york and I lived on that street where that black supremacist killed those two cops, if you remember that story. And that was when I was like, oh, man, I probably shouldn't live here. I went down to Miami for a little bit. When I came back, I went to the Jersey side. Then someone planted bombs in Jersey City and in Manhattan, and that was crazy. And I was like, I really want to get away. Like, I can see the tensions escalating. So I moved to South Jersey.

Now I'm in the suburbs on the other side of the river from Philly which is not that big and i'm like everything's fine and then the riots happened in june and the helicopters were you could see him yeah and the sirens too and i was like i'm in the middle of nowhere what is this so now you thought you were in the middle of nowhere now relative for me growing up in chicago in the city people like whenever i say i'm from chicago they're like oh which suburb and i'm like no i was in the city yeah yeah so now like the suburbs are the middle of nowhere no not good enough they crossed the bridge and i'm like why they were purposefully coming they actually came to my sleepy suburb town and i got an email notification from people where like that next door app and they were like why are they coming here that was when you were that's when carl came over and you guys were doing

that uh no no no no no the event yeah that that was last year okay i'm talking about the riots now that happened in june okay like people were like yo why are they coming to our suburb for this yeah like why same thing happened in chicago but yeah the the event i did with uh with with sargon that was in southern jersey it was in southern jersey it was in pitman and this is this is hilarious because these antifa people came from far away from like brunswick or whatever from you know half an hour north of i lived there like i literally lived about five miles from the theater and they were like we don't want these people coming to our town and i was like dude you came to my town i live here i'm putting an event with

my friends and that was where they called daryl dav a white supremacist. God, what a ridiculous development. I could not believe it. Like there are very few people that you can think of that have actually put more work into changing hearts and minds than Daryl Davis and some dumb, probably 20- kid college kid who thinks who who probably thinks you know mal was all right and then he's like he's like you know i'm i'm a marxist leninist and uh you know daryl davis is a white supremacist and it's like and he made a post about it yeah so so i think most people know who daryl is but he's de-radicalized like 200 plus klansmen and he's a black jazz musician he's a he's an amazing person and he said he just wanted to talk to him understand him and that proximity and that friendship actually changed their minds

and changed their worldview is there not a better refutation of the idea that you should punch nazis than daryl davis You're not going to convince. Like when nobody punched the Nazi out of Spencer that day he got sucker punched. They didn't punch the racism out of him. Didn't work. Didn't work at all. That man is just as racist as he was before he got punched. With different tactics. Yeah.

Yeah. But Daryl Davis sits down and talks to people and Klansmen that you know will actually wear that dumb ass outfit in public and he can talk them out of it that i just messed up by swearing is that but i mean like seriously like daryl davis talks people out of being klansmen and befriends people that were racist racist his stories are amazing it's amazing like that one story he has where he met this uh this this klansman and a lot of these guys just never actually met or interacted with a black person and when he was talking to this guy the guy was a big fan of rock and roll and him being this musician who had access he's like i can get i can show you this

famous car and this this this this racist guy this white supremacist like you you can actually get me i can you can sit in the car he's like and then he went there and like i'm probably i'm probably ruining daryl's story but it was like it was it was so like man i was welling up when i heard it he brings this racist guy he sees this car from this rock legend he's always dreamed of and he gave daryl a hug and he was like that that that shattered that racism in a moment he was like this guy is like one of the coolest, nicest guys ever to help me do this, man. I love, I love the stories. He took what, so we did that event and he told these stories and it was just like, he got a standing ovation because, but it wasn't this profound thing where he did this great

deal of work where he's like writing down, trying to figure out what to say. He just sat down and said, what up? Yeah. And we talked. He's just a person, you know? And then it was, it was simply the act of trying to communicate with them that allowed them to understand their racist views didn't make sense. Yeah. My favorite story was that he said, well, that was my favorite story.

But in one of his stories, he said that he was hanging out with this Klan member who stayed a Klan member until one day he was at a meeting. This Klan guy told me he was at a meeting and he heard them saying all these things about black people. And then he stopped and thought, that's not like Daryl at all. I don't, this doesn't make sense anymore. I love it. And then he gave his robes to Daryl. That dude is amazing. Those stories are so cool.

Is it true that he collected a bunch of robes? Yes. That is the coolest. That is the coolest, like, scalping racist, just taking, seriously, that's what it is. It's just, it's take, just scalping racist and taking that away from what it is it's just it's take just scalping racist and taking that away from him and being like they that's the coolest they gave him their robes yeah and then at this at his events he brings them and he shows them off so cool and he says people often tell him to burn them and destroy them and he was like no this represents

someone leaving and the victory and it's like it, it's a capture in the flag almost. Yeah, totally. Capture the flag. Absolutely. But I think it's important to show that his approach in receiving these wasn't in any way adversarial. He wasn't like, ha ha, now I've got your robe. He was like, wow, I can't believe you've given this to me. That's tremendous.

That's an amazing thing to do. Antifa's not convincing anyone. They're really not. No, they're not. The kids that are out there that are getting into fights and stuff and taking advantage. This is one thing that I saw. You look at the mugshots of the people in Portland. And Douglas Murray said recently on a podcast, he said, if you look at those mug shots those are people in chaos yep you can

look at them and see they're probably some type of mentally ill you know um some kind of something like that you know and and so you've got people that are taking advantage of of them and getting people that are probably some you know probably mentally ill to go out and behave violently and act out and they're being you know egged on by people that probably aren't mentally ill yep and they're just using them that's exactly what i've been saying you know like the joker yeah in the in the dark night yep the the paranoid schizophrenic two faces interrogating him batman's like he joker pre. The paranoid schizophrenic, two faces interrogating him. Batman's like, Joker preys upon paranoid schizophrenics like this.

That is so interesting and compassionate what Douglas is saying there. Because I think that is consistent. I was looking at it and I even asked some of my Twitter followers. I was like, is being this weird looking a cause or an effect of being in Antifa? And I think it is just a sign of chaos. I think the crazy hair color. I think the crazy eyes. Yeah i think it is just a sign of chaos i think the crazy hair color i think the crazy eyes yeah i think they're a sign of chaos and i think it's it's good and it's right free a little bit compassionate free radicals yeah yeah sure they don't really fit

into any kind of culture they're just kind of out there doing whatever so i'll tell you what's what one of the things that scares me is uh there's something i call the scaling problem so the way i explain it is if apple releases a hundred iphones to a bunch of celebrities and one percent of them breaks one celebrity goes my phone broke and everyone goes oh that sucks if they release a hundred million iphones to the public and one percent breaks you got a hundred you got you got one million posts on twitter of broken phones trending nationwide. And they're like, what is going on with these phones? But it's the same failure rate. So what happens when you have, let's say out of society, you end up with like 0.0001% of people.

Or for every 100,000 people, you get one violent lunatic. As our population grows and expands, you start seeing more and more violent lunatics. Then they become groups of violent lunatics. Then they start going around smashing and destroying things. So what do you do? Especially when you have an exploitation of these people for political gain. So then you end up with establishment protection. So you have these people who are going around clearly unwell you know they're not all they're not all with it and when they smash things up they're called peaceful protesters

i'm i what i don't understand is it's helping trump the riots are good for trump it's bad for biden they try to hide it it's bad for biden but it's less bad for trump i don't think it's good for anybody no i think it's good for trump i mean they're terrible for everybody right now it seems like it politically it's good for trump yeah like of course riots are bad for everybody but i'm saying in in terms of politics i know people who were hardcore democrat and then the riots hit their town and they became republicans not even republicans they still hate republicans but they're like but we need trump to do something about this yesterday biden tweeted that or someone tweeted with his account that trump is the reason

for the economy falling apart that is the most ridiculous grasping at straws the heck that's amazing they're all these comments that were like, there's a pandemic, dude. Yeah. Bro. Bro, bro. Remember? Yeah, it's pandemic. Hey, I got a little off-topic thing I want to talk about when it comes to tech censorship. Okay. If you guys are into it.

Yeah, what's that? Real quick, though, because we had a super chat. Oh, good. Well, when a company's private, like mine's is private, the CEO has massive control of what they want to ban and block, and the board basically controls. Once a company goes public, it's their owners become people. Yep. And so there's these three companies called Blackstone, State Street, and Vanguard. And they're these gigantic, the three biggest investment firms in the world.

And they own like 8% of Apple. One of them will have 8% of Apple, 8% of IBM, 8% of Microsoft, 8% of... So it's just enough to not seem like they have much influence, but the three of them together control about a third of all of the tech companies in the world, Facebook, Google. And I wonder if it's not so much a military

industrial, but there's like a financial... Information. Yeah. Info war. Info wars. Oh, interesting. What an interesting name. Can you say that on YouTube now? I don't know. That's why I did it. Is Susan Wiki Wiki going to come and shut you down for saying a name that can't be said?

So why Facebook banned this story about Hunter, and Twitter did too, is because of the people that are funding the companies, not the corporate structure. I think it's more just they're trapped in this establishment whirlpool where if it goes against the narrative, they're scared they'll get attacked. So they just go along with it. I don't think the beast has a head. It's running around like a chicken with its head cut off. Nothing makes sense. They're insane.

They're just scared of each other. It's part of a system. It's a bunch of people standing in a ring all pointing a gun at each other. It's like a five million person mexican standoff and no one really wants to be in it but they're like if i don't do this then i'll get shot so i better point the gun at the next person it's it's crab pot this is people assuming that it's crabs in a barrel it's crabs in a bucket they're assuming that if they try to crawl out someone will pull them back in even if it's not true they think it's the case and i think it's the case. And I think it's correct.

There's no head to this monster. I think people assuming there's a head is like kind of the root of conspiracy theories because it's often not organized. People are inherently disorganized. If you're looking to be accepted in a group, then standing up and saying, oh, I think that even just standing up and saying, I don't know guys, I think you might not be on the right track. That's enough to get people to be like,

ah. They're scared. It's kind of like in Shaun of the Dead when they all pretended to be zombies. It's like nobody knows who the other zombie is. So everyone looks like a zombie and it's like, I'm not a zombie. Are you a zombie? But if you ask, you're going to get bitten by the zombie.

So just pretend to be a zombie the whole time. But let's do super chats because we got a good super chat right here. Oh, snap. Dan IRL says Rudy Giuliani just dropped a teaser on the info he has on Hunter and Joe. There are links to corruption in Iraq, Ukraine, Russia, and China. It's damning. If true, Biden is a security threat.

You want to look? Oh, we can't pull it. I can't right now. All right. Well, we'll look it up look it up yeah i'll look into that but make sure also if you haven't smashed that like button if you're if you're listening hang out do it give that like button a good old smash and we're going to read some more of these here super chats let's see uh epic toad rage says tim would you do a trump interview live if he was willing and a biden one as well although i'm sure his handlers wouldn't allow that happen of course that'd be so fun of course i would and a lot of trump people would get really mad at me for some of the questions i would ask trump but then but then kind of be like okay well at least he's pointing out you know the media's lies the trump people ain't gonna show up at your house

that's right well that's this here's the thing though like this is the point i was making earlier i routinely criticize trump on on various things like today i tweeted it's insane for him to say that, maybe it was yesterday, when he was like, they didn't want to arrest him. It was 15 minutes and he was gone. I'm like, that's insane. You know? So dumb. And when he said we need retribution in reference to killing.

Dumb. But I don't have anyone trying to take my job from me. I have people, you know what the worst I get from Trump supporters? What a libtard. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's like, okay. You ever see that family guy joke where he's like, the worst thing they have in Britain is drive-by arguments? And then it shows like the British guy goes, I say, is that so-and-so?

And he goes, pull up, pulls a window down, and he goes, hey, I disagree. And then he drives off. That's the gist of what i get for the most part from from trump supporters yeah they'll like they'll post something saying they like oh tim's dumb i disagree with him the left is like posting lies about me posting i get i get death threats well yeah no of course right it's like the worst possible thing you could possibly get posting my address yeah it's like okay these people are absolutely insane the place that i bought like i was i told you about my i got a place in the woods and stuff my place is so in is in the back of my lot 48 acres and way in the back and

tucked away because of stuff like that because people are just like oh blah blah blah and and they're they're nuts you know this the stuff that people on the left say and and as if it's it's acceptable you know this this is why when trump did the town hall with savannah guthrie all she did was yell at him the whole time yeah because they they all know conservatives will roll their eyes and grumble and the left will send death threats yeah so they try to appease the left that's that's that's all that's all you're really gonna get i'll tell you what. They won't go after Biden for the same reason. Yeah. I'd love to ask Biden to disavow Antifa by name.

I just couldn't believe that they didn't say anything about about the the fact that Twitter and Facebook, you know, snuffed the story. Yep. Never mind, you know, the content of the story, because I understand that there's, you know, people are gonna be like, oh, you know, that's that's not true or blah, blah, blah. But like, do you feel like these platforms should be doing this and i said yesterday i was like this is the biggest story going on in the country right now and there were people like oh it's a big big story because biden blah blah blah and it's like you know just poo-pooing the idea and i'm like no the idea that these companies are literally putting their finger on the scale of, you know, right before the the the the election and stuff. That's the story.

You know, it's not it's not the story itself. It's a story. Yeah, exactly. Kind of interesting. Dr. Roller Gator says, give Lydia a raise. Woo. Heck yeah. You do.

Dr. Roller Gator. I love him. Dr. Roller Gigator for president man daydilla says if joe was a serious candidate she would have started her campaign a few years ago one vote won't change anything several million differently smart people fair we have uh three people have now said bring on tom mcdonald i mean i'm always down you know whatever he's cool dude do you know tom he's dude. Do you know Tom? He's a rapper. He's a rapper. I don't know if hip-hop artist or rapper is the right way to...

It's a new genre of kind of musical rap. Interesting. It's really good. It's a political. It's political. It's very based. Tom McDonald. Tom McDonald.

Yeah, super good stuff. I will... He's cool. Lowen Murray says, will Tim red pill Phil into voting for Trump? I don't know. I'm not here to Red Pill anybody. No, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

I know a lot of people who are voting for third party. And I say, absolutely. You know, vote your conscience. My respect. You know Ken Bone? I do. Love Ken Bone. So he was famous from that town hall, I guess, with Hillary or whatever.

Stole everyone's heart. Yes. And he announced he's voting for Joe Jorgensen. And then he tweeted, it's really telling that the left is attacking me relentlessly and whatever stole everyone's heart yes and he announced he's voting for joe jorgensen and then he tweeted it's really telling that the left is attacking me relentlessly and the trump supporters are being so nice the trump supporters response is like vote your conscience man if joe is the right person for you you got to do your thing you know what i mean and uh don't let us you know bully you and the left is like it's all for for Trump. Yeah. The hive mind kind of deal that's going on with people on the left.

And I get that you don't like Trump. Okay. I get it. It's like, fine. And I can understand why. And people are dying, Phil. They're dying. I actually have groups of friends on Facebook that say, hey, hive mind.

And then it used to be cute like two or three years ago. And now it's like really freaky. Now it's scary. Like now they mean it. What were you saying? I interrupted you. It's just, it's mind blowing that there are so many people

that are just so like, oh, well, this guy has to be bad because the TV and everybody that has respectable opinions is saying that he's bad. So we got Matt Michalak says, in terms of california repealing state civil rights wouldn't the federal protection still be in effect and supersede the state repeal my understanding is yes but it would require a lawsuit yeah so it would have to be sued and then go up to the courts or the or trump would have to

decide to intervene which i'm sure trump would love to do but but it's it's on the referendum for for next month the only things that trump loves to do is stuff that's culture war he doesn't really know i guarantee he has no idea about the policies that he's that the republicans have passed he doesn't he has no clue no idea but he knows that a UFC fighter likes him. And so he gives him a call. So being mad at Trump, you're being mad at the culture war. I'm going to give him a little bit more credit. I think Trump knows his agenda. When he's talking economy, bringing back manufacturing, Trump's like, here's what I want to do.

But I think in terms of what the Republicans want to do, for the most part john bolton is evidence he doesn't know anything because when he was coming in there he's like i don't i don't know about foreign policy i'm just here to make the economy work they were like bring in john bolton he's like okay and that was a big mistake not only was it a mistake from the perspective of anybody who doesn't like war the dude turned on him and wrote a book smack talking him so it was a big mistake in a lot of ways. I don't fault Trump for not understanding that political game and who these people were, but I do think it's fair to point out he didn't know.

And so when you get the more political bureaucratic system, Republicans want to pass this bill, Trump's probably half the time going like, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I feel like he's like just shitposting his way through the – I think he might be right.

You know, through the White House, man. He's just like – Through life. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he's just like, ah, whatever, you know. We'll say this. Let's see what happens. You see him tweet the Babylon Bee?

No. Did he retweet the Babylon Bee? The Babylon Bee put out a story saying Twitter shuts down entire network to prevent spread of story which was like half true you know it's a joke that's a joke though and uh trump retweeted it saying this had never been done in history and then everyone started laughing saying trump fell for the babylon b but a lot of trump supporters started saying it was 4d chess and i'm like come on man sometimes it's just slipping on a banana peel yeah sometimes that's it trump can slip but you know what i'll tell you what sometimes trump slips on a banana peel and does a perfect

backflip that he does he does he didn't know that he didn't know that he didn't know that a lot of the tumultuous issues going on in today's society have their roots based in critical race theory right but it's he but someone on fox news yeah said i'm calling on trump to ban this and trump did it yeah and he looked at he said oh that stuff's stupid get out of here yeah which is fine with me because it's if you're going to go ahead and and if if trump is the guy that's going to cut the feet out from under critical race theory, then I'm good with it. That's a big thing for me. I think the peace agreements are great. Withdrawing troops is great.

No new wars is great. And the critical race theory. So I'll tell you what. The big difference between Joe Jorgensen and Trump for me is the critical race theory issue. Because, I mean, otherwise Joe could have been a serious viable candidate for me yeah i mean i i went i saw her and i actually got to talk to her for a brief second um and i don't know that she would make a great president but the libertarian party the the the ideas that libertarians put forward are good ideas in my opinion so you know i i there's a lot of stuff Ron Paul talked

about I didn't agree with particularly religion and pro-life and stuff but I felt and it's one of the reasons why I was a fan of Bernie in 2016 because I remember the Ron Paul you know was it 2008 I guess the Ron Paul love revolution yeah that's when I that's when I found out who Ron Paul was and

that's when I was like all right this is my dude it was it was really simple for me he was just dr no the government stepped back shouldn't be doing these things let people live their lives and i was like i like the idea of freedom i didn't agree with him on a ton of things but i thought if his only position was going to be don't worry i won't let the government do it i'll be like then what do i care about your opinions if you don't let the government impose them and then with bernie sanders i you know i guess with ron you had this guy who'd been in office forever who believed what he believed he was a statesman he was he was

serious and honest and i saw that in bernie sanders and then i saw that wash away from bernie sanders when he went on stage and started lying and playing race politics and then you know kissed the pinky ring yeah so that's i like ran too because i think ran takes after his dead i think you know i mean tell he might be unkillable, too. COVID, you know, his neighbor. Geez, dude. Didn't he get like a piece of his lung removed? Yeah.

Wow. Recently, yeah. Man of steel. Yes. Yeah. All right, let's read another one. Where were we? Okay.

615 says, didn't know if you saw it, Tim, but on Crowder's live stream, he had Giuliani on last night, and he said it was Hunter who brought it in and has Hunter's signature on the receipt of repair. It's all legit. Oh, wow. Really? If they can produce... That's the laptop, by the way. The receipt with Hunter's signature on it? I mean... Look, Occam's Razor,

it's simple. Hunter's a rich dude. He spilled coffee on his laptop or whatever. He brought it in, went to a Best Buy, bought a new one, and he's rich and didn't care and forgot about it. I was telling the story when I was working for Disney, I had bought a brand new surface. There's a couple,

a couple thousand bucks and I had it for like a week and I was walking on the stairs and I tripped and it fell on my hands and shattered on the ground, but I had a production budget. So I had a production budget. So like that, I got a new one and totally forgot about it. And it's sitting in a production budget. So I had a production budget. So like that, I got a new one and totally forgot about it. And it's sitting in a closet somewhere broken, but also with drugs,

if he was on drugs or an addict of some sort, that destroys your memory. I mean, my personal experience, if you're taking a lot, I'm just, I'm just seems likely it was my drug of choice. My memory was shot.

Could you simple things? I would literally forget stuff like that. I brought a laptop in with personal information. It's that i'm just i'm just imagining him you know he's sitting there and he's like he's like he's he's looking at the crack pipe and he's like wasn't i was supposed to do something today it's like an impulse words don't even form and then he like his hand goes like type and he goes wait what am i doing and like he probably hates his dad and has like i don't want doing and like he probably hates his dad and has like i don't want to assume but he probably like is all resentful that his dad made him become a

lawyer like sent him all these prep schools and he just because he wants to party this guy i gotta i gotta ask you a correction though because crack it doesn't make you isn't a downer so he wouldn't be acting all slow about it he'd be like yeah and then he'd like start you know putting a jigsaw piece of puzzle together or something i mean i do understand what you're talking about about losing memory i used to drink too much and and there are significant portions of of the early part of this or the last decade that were just kind of fuzzy it's sad because it'll be like little things like for calling your mom on her birthday or something and you just like don't even remember that it's her birthday. Drugs are bad.

Drugs are bad. Don't do the bad stuff. Powerful. Booze is probably worse. Yeah, I agree. It's a powerful. The evangelist says, literally listened to Six on the shuffle. I love this timeline.

Whoa, snap. I figured you would know that. Yeah, there we go. It's a song that was on Guitar Hero 2. Oh, nice. It's one of our bigger songs oh cool cheers man yeah man check out my stream i play it every night yeah man yeah yeah shout out your shout your stream phil that remains i'm phil that remains on everything

yes so if you want to find me on twitter on instagram i stream on twitch monday tuesday thursday friday not this friday obviously but uh and i sing songs and i've heard of your band cool but i know you for your your your politics mostly in your commentary from social media too i've been watching your stuff since pos i mean i'm not sure when you started timcast but i started watching a lot of youtube around 2008 oh around around occupying stuff like that i was i was streaming during occupy out then i went to vice yeah then i went to fusion which fusion was kind of a golden handcuffs period where i didn't let me do anything but they paid me a ton of money and then i started my channel back up

when you start 20 20 2016 is when i started making videos but 2017 was when really ramped up i definitely was watching it 2016 i had i had videos from 2011 and they're like awful yeah i wouldn't say embarrassing i'm proud of all that stuff like i was i was working i was doing the work you know what i mean we put out a record in 2002 that i really am in no rush to listen to what band all that remains when did you guys form like what was the history of the formation 1998 wow so i used to play i used to sing for a band called shadows fall, which was a metal band that got around and done some stuff. Um, and they kicked me out cause they wanted to get another guy that had become available. And so I had started writing riffs for a band that I wanted to create

when I was in shadows fall. Cause I was singing in that band and I wanted to play guitar again. So I started writing stuff and they kicked me out. And so I was like, Oh, well I got all these riffs. I might as well start a band and put together a band and put out our first record. We recorded in 2000,

actually came out in 2002. Uh, then we put out another record in 2004. And then the record that kind of broke us was a record called the fall of ideals that came out in 2006. And that had, uh, we had a song on the saw three, I believe. Soundtrack. It's the second. If you watch the movie, it's the second song during the credits. So it's at the end. And we had a song in guitar hero, which really did really, really well because it was really hard.

So it was like the second hardest song in the game. So on Expert, kids were just drilling it into their heads. I used to be really good at Guitar Hero. I was bad at it. It kind of annoyed me though because I've been playing guitar since I was a kid. So I was like, I don't want to do this. I'm just going to play the song and turn the music on. You know what I mean?

Our guitar player, he started playing Guitar Hero. Kids would come up on the bus and they would beat him and then he was like i'm i'm not having any of that and so he so he he didn't just he didn't like stop playing he just sat down and practiced and practiced and practiced and practiced until we could do that when i was a kid i learned for the most part, by just playing the songs I wanted to play. Yeah. That's Guitar Hero. But I could actually play the guitar.

Yeah. So when Guitar Hero came out, I got good at it, and I was just like, I can actually play this song, though. Like, you guys want to jam? And then we would just like, just go jam.

You know they have a game called, what's it called? Guitar. It's where you actually plug your guitar in. Yeah, you're actually playing on your guitar, playing songs songs that's the coolest thing that i've seen yes like karaoke super cool that's neat when you guys started what city were you in uh we're from western massachusetts so springfield did you send out a craigslist ad how'd you find everybody we were

so i started playing it was a scene, very much a scene. So like the same people were showing up at the same club every Sunday, right? That, that was when, when metal bands and stuff you could play, you knew Sunday nights were, were the local shows.

There was a guy named Scott Lee who's still involved in, in producing shows and stuff. And he was the guy that kind of the scene followed. So it was at one club and then he went to another club for a couple of years and another club. So it was, we, we just knew a bunch of the same people and a lot of bands that are from the

area kind of had different people that tried different bands. There's a band called kill switch engage. You might've heard of them. They're from our area. Shadows fall all that remains uh there's a band called the acacia strain uh there's a band called unearth that's from massachusetts and there was a lot of the same dudes playing in different bands with different people you know um so it was more a situation of being like hey uh what are you guys doing oh well you know one guy

two guys quit our band so we're kind of not doing this band. Well, we got these guys, you know, we got this going on. And I filled in playing guitar for Killswitch Engage before they were Killswitch Engage. They were a band called Aftershock. And I played guitar for them for a little while filling in. And our guitar player, Mike Martin, used to fill in for Unearthed. And, you know, there's a bunch of that bouncing around of incestuous relationships between the bands it was really really cool to be there and kind of be a part of that at the time because bands like kill switch and us and and lamb of god and and you know unearth and stuff they really did make a mark on the metal scene and it's cool to be to have been part of that to see it you

know we got a very important super chat oh okay daniel says your guest reminds me of the master chief from halo can your guest please me of the Master Chief from Halo. Can your guest please say, I need a weapon? I need a weapon. Have you played Halo? Oh, I know John. John 117. I know John.

I know Spartan 117. Yes. For sure, man. I read the books, the Halo books. So I was into that kind of stuff, too. I believe you would need a weapon. Yeah. So here we go.

Yaroslav says, libertarians can't be against borders. Libertarians are for private discrimination and freedom of association. And there is no freedom of association without freedom not to associate, meaning lots of borders, especially private borders with love from Russia. Interesting. I could see it. I understand what he's saying. Yeah. There you go.

Here we go. 615Bass says, I believe Giuliani showed the receipt on stream and said the repair shop owner would absolutely be able to ID Hunter. We'll look it up. We'll see what happens, man. It's going to be a fun month.

It's going to be interesting. We're going to need to make a month's supply of popcorn. We have bags and bags of it yeah i just ordered a bunch yeah all right all right let's see let's jump down some super chats here what do we got here we go got a bunch of big ones isaac hillstrom says please mention the book the moral case for fossil fuels by alex epstein oh It's a great book about how fossil fuels have saved the world. Give it a chance. Very cool. Without petroleum-based fertilizer,

we wouldn't have all the food that we make that we give away for a lot of people. Oh, yeah. That's very good. People don't realize how plastic isn't just...

I mean, petroleum isn't just... Oh, we cut off. In your... Just keep going. We're good. No, we're good. We're good. Petroleum's not just in your... Just keep going. We're good. No, we're good. We're good. Petroleum's not just in your car.

It's in all the plastics and all the stuff. Everything's a plastic thing. The idea of leaving petroleum in the ground ain't happening. Insanity. That's not happening. We could probably replace it with something, I think. Could be. Gradually, maybe.

Yeah. Like saltwater or something. I don't know. Maybe. We're officially in premium listener territory because the internet cut out fancy so now anybody hearing this you can only hear it maybe on the podcast itunes or something yeah on itunes spotify like this stuff i don't know what's gonna happen uh whatever we'll uh we'll read a couple more super chats for those

that put the super chats in but we're not online anymore so you know it is what it is they can hear it on the podcast yeah you can hear it on the podcast. Yeah. You can hear it on the podcast. So CN Davies has Harry is still a prince. His title is Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex. The title he no longer has is his Royal Highness. Oh, his Royal Highness.

He doesn't deserve Prince for life. Yeah. Stephen Gann says you'll probably have something on this tomorrow but recipient has confirmed Biden emails interesting I am extremely interested in hearing what comes of this my curiosity it's going to be spicy

alright we'll just jump down because we got cut off from the internet anyway did we come back are we back no I don't think so something weird is happening whatever I'll just read some super chats it happens periodically because it's what happens when you move to the mountains Did we come back? Are we back? No, I don't think so. Something weird's happening. Whatever. I'll just read some super chats. It happens periodically because it's what happens when you move to the mountains.

It's that couple from Ian. It's so great. John Nelson says, Tim and crew, thanks for having Phil on to rock us with logic. We need this. Top 16 is on the ballot. And as you know, as a California resident, I reject this. We will not California America. Yes. I promise.

That being said what happens to the nation if 16 passes oh man my my fear about prop 16 in california is that they say what happened in california eventually happens in the rest of the country i i i don't want to live in a country where we get rid of we go back in time and we get rid of civil rights law and all that stuff it's not going to be fun but uh i honestly don't know what happened that was what kennedy was the first person to use the or the last person to use the national military in like a state dispute when he when he desegregated that school but wasn't that the national guard yeah he brought in the national guard oh maybe not the last someone was saying because nixon brought in the national guard into

ohio yeah put down the uh but national guard doesn't doesn't qualify or doesn't count as military as i understand interesting so i think someone knows you jason broils says tell my old friend phil i said hello jason broils hi jason very cool is that someone you actually know uh the name is familiar i don't know that uh there's a lot of people that if I see them, I'll know that it's rock and roll. I've met some people. I believe it. All right. Let's see what we got. We'll do a couple more super chats.

I don't want the internet to keep cutting in and out. I had access on my computer. Let's see. The Quartering says, I love Trump. The Quartering? Is that Jeremy? Is that actually Jeremy? I think it's actually Jeremy. Jeremy. I like that guy.

Jeremy, come on the show. He works hard. Come on, Jeremy. Yeah. The Quartering, he says, I love Trump, be he didn't know. Jeremy, what do you mean by that? What? We're going to have to have you on the show.

Explain yourself. He says, The Quartering said, if you love Tim Pool but would prefer a man with a full beard, I have a channel. His beard is divine. Jeremy, oh, that's great. I really like his show. I am subbed to his both midwestly and to the quartering. Jeremy's a good dude. What's Tim's comeback?

The comeback is, if you want a full beard, Jeremy's going to have to come on this show in order for you all to get access to it. Oh, snap. Yeah. Jeremy, hit me up. And we'll fly you out or whatever. Yeah, it'll be fun. We'll set up. What is this?

45,000 people on here now make it trend. Trump on Timcast. Oh, snap. Trump on Timcast. There we go. I want it. No, you know what Trump does? He invites people to come to him.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what he does. Trump invite Tim Gass. Rude says, have you considered having Ben Shapiro on your show as a social liberal and him being a conservative libertarian? I think. I believe a conversation between you two would be interesting. Speed of words.

Yeah, we talked about that before. The speed at which we spoke would be so fast that it might create a black hole. Yeah. Yeah. We would travel through time. Create a singularity. You guys would end and just be starting yeah right i can't switch for that cd saint says i had no idea phil was from atr let him know two weeks helped me get through a rough breakup it was my workout anthem two weeks helped me get through a rough breakup too too help me get through high school someone says get sargon on and the game is rocksmith uh yes

rocksmith that's uh sargon's got an open invite it's just you know covid's made everything really difficult for international fly over here yeah let's see uh omega knight says the national guard is military and most of them at this time are combat veterans. Yes, they are controlled by the governor of their state, but they are military. Interesting. All right. Let's see. Alexander Scarpecci says, Tucker Carlson confirmed the authenticity of the laptop on his show tonight, and all that remains is awesome. Reminds me of my days in Iraq.

Cheers. Cool. Yeah, man. Black Lion Grunt says, Jews in New York for Trump 2020. Sick. That, to me, was really interesting to see when they were protesting, waving the Trump flags. Like that's in New York. One of the moderators for my Twitch channel is a Jewish kid from Brooklyn.

Super cool. He's super cool. And he is extremely not impressed with Bill de Blasio. I believe it. Oh my goodness. Mini tyrant. What's going on in there you've got these hot spots but the city is specifically going after the jewish community i can't even believe that they're that they're behaving like that and getting away with it yeah they're i can't believe there's not more of an outcry from

from like the the the aclu and from like you know because that's why i'm saying it's it's it's this they're they're trapped they're like but we can't speak out bill de blasio is progressive it's like uh dude he's literally like you see the video where the cop goes up to the synagogue and he points he holds the camera in the window and then looks at it to make sure they're not praying what is yeah unbelievable he like puts the camera in the window and tries to see what they're doing inside the synagogue it's like dude have you read a history book about what you're doing yeah but it's incredible for me you don't hear these stories like they shut down churches but they're going after the jewish people in new york and and man what was it Cuomo said gotta stamp out this yes stamp out the clusters that's

what he said dude weird rhetoric bro I don't like it he was like we have these hot spots you know and he's like and I'm referring I don't want to quote him because he I don't think he said it in the same exact sentence but he specifically calls out the religious community the Jewish community then he says we've got to stamp out these clusters. And I'll tell you what, out of the hot spots that are popping up in New York, most of the targets of his lockdowns were the Jewish, were the Orthodox community. So he's like ignoring some areas. So a lot of people are kind of like, what are you doing? atheist but i also am a very strong believer that when you start saying that a religion or people that believe a religion are the or a problem or bad blame for something that is

really really dark territory like we managed to dodge that kind of stuff at home after 9-11 like there was some people that did stuff but generally as a nation we didn't turn into we hate the muslims that are here in the u.s now there's an argument to be made that we exported a lot of war to muslim countries and i get that and that's that is a reasonable argument to make and you know it's's something that should at least be addressed when you talk about this subject. But as a whole, the U.S. didn't really take out our frustrations on our Muslim communities here in the U.S. We shouldn't be doing that to Christians that are going to church and we shouldn't be doing it to Jews. We should really protect people's right and not just give lip service to protecting people's right. We should really protect people's right to worship.

Even though if you ask me, they're talking to themselves because I don't believe in a God. But you still should be able to or you still need those protections because it stops being about the god that they worship and just that group is bad is what happens here on earth it turns into that group there and it's just a way a tribe way for tribalism to sneak into it's it's it's actually really simple uh it's the way they describe free speech it's similar in this regard it's that it's not that i think all speech should be protected but that i don't trust anyone to determine which speech should exactly that's reasonable same thing is true for religion it's not that i agree with their religion it's just

i don't want someone to determine which religion is the true religion so we're gonna step back from that one yeah yeah so uh noah poe says fan of the show tim but phil i'm also a fan of the band how did you two become acquainted? It's actually... I hound him on Twitter. It's Twitter. Yeah. We just follow each other.

Twitter's great. But you're pretty active and you put out stuff. I think what makes someone prominent on Twitter is being insightful, having an opinion when something comes out and people go, oh, I didn't realize that. And so you've tweeted a bunch of things where I'm like, oh, I didn't realize that. And so you've tweeted a bunch of things where I'm like, Oh, I didn't realize that. And you know,

and then I ended up following you for some reason. And that's why I was saying, I know you more for your political posts and your commentary and stuff more so than the band. If people know me from Twitter, if people know me and do not have a negative opinion of me from Twitter, it's because of my politics. If people only know me from Twitter and have a negative opinion of me because of Twitter,

well, that's probably because of my politics, too. John Smith says, Phil, have you seen 5FDP's new music video? I have not seen it, but I do know that Loudwire was not impressed that they had the sickle and hammer. Oh, snap. So Five Finger Death punch uh the guitar player zoltan is uh from hungary oh yeah that's right he grew up when it was communist hungary yeah he does not have a positive opinion no soft spot about communism just and i've had i went and

i flew out and i filled in for uh for five finger for a couple couple weeks one time. Ivan had some issues and he had to go home. So I went out and I did two weeks of touring with him and sang for him. Two weeks, huh? You know, it comes up a lot. I don't believe it. It comes up a lot. It happens. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

It's okay. But yeah, and so me and Zoltan hit it off really, really well. And, you know, I got to pick his brain a little bit about what it's like living in a communist country. And there are similarities today in the United States with communist countries in cancel culture. Right. cancel culture right so the idea that you can go ahead and say this person did this and we should all hate them on on social media and get people fired or whatever that kind of stuff happened in communist countries it's just that instead of like going on the internet they called the police and the police just came and picked you up and then you were never heard from again and that kind of of stuff actually happened. So the it to me, the scary thing about cancel culture isn't so much that people are going to say bad things about you on the Internet, which can be is that impulse in the united states to say you should not be allowed

to say those things and i want there to be some tangible real world repercussions because you said something i don't like yep and then it keeps going well then i then you said something i don't like and then he said something and then there you go and it's scary to think that that there's that impulse here in the u.s among the population because you guys have said this a bunch of times and you've heard it politics is downstream from culture yep and if it's okay in our culture to say you're untouchable or whatever you're a bad person and you shouldn't be allowed to have a job and no one should listen to you and you should be treated badly or whatever. It's a small step to empowering the law to just pick you up for having a bad idea. I feel the same way about imagery and words like the N word. And I hate even saying the N word. I feel like I should just be able to say the word

and we should talk about the word. If you're a name i know if you're not name calling someone just you're able to dissect the concept same with the swastika it's a concept you it's an ancient indian yeah you know religious well we just didn't talk about it what's the deal we're not grown-ups we're not really not it's it's the people who are running these companies are weak spineless you know yeah i do like the fact that uh there's that what is it the the unwoke website where you can find people that are not like that and there was something else that there was something else that oh the the guy that uh runs coinbase he came out and said that they're not going to the long and short of it i don't know what his statement was but the long and short of it was people that have the the woke ideology that's not welcome at coinbase wow and we will

give you a severance package and let you go if this is unacceptable to you so he's paying people to leave dang that's awesome so red bull did something similar john smith says yes yeah john smith says have you ever met gerard way uh gerard way he's uh my chemical romance yeah oh no i have not met anyone in uh my chemical romance yeah alex sears says phil early atr is the awesome this calling gets me hype as hell hearing your political beliefs makes me like you even more my dude i will check you i'll check out your twitch for sure what is your twitch phil that remains of course everywhere everywhere phil that remains super easy to remember remember here's a good one. Draciel says,

Tim, Hannity in 14 minutes is premiering an interview with the nodding woman during the Trump town hall. Yes! Oh my God. I called her out last night.

I loved her. I was so annoyed. You know the story though. People were upset that she was nodding. I was one of them. They were like, you were mad?

Yeah. I was like, oh, it's so annoying. I was so mad. I couldn't believe that people were like, they were like so aghast that this undecided voter was nodding about something the president said. That's so funny.

My entire Twitter stream was like, nodding woman for moderator. And I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome. She'd be a good moderator. I was loving it. I was laughing. Yeah, that is funny. But there were three women behind Trump. And at some point, they were all nodding.

Blue, white, blue, red, and black. Yeah. Blue, red, and black pills. Yep, yep. The woman with the red mask was nodding the whole time, and she was giving thumbs up. Nice. And I was just laughing. I'm like, this lady, she's perfectly framed right next to Trump nodding.

That's why I got bothered. My favorite, though, is the conspiracy theory. There's a conspiracy theory. They think the producers did it on purpose. They did. Well, maybe. No. They didn't know.

Well, she's apparently a well-known Trump supporter. She's an independent. She ran as an independent, I guess, but she's a fan of Trump. She voted for him or something like that. So she ran? She ran as an independent, I guess. For what office? For Congress, I think.

Oh, okay. All right. I'm not entirely sure. That's why I don't know. Did she know she was in frame? I guess we'll find out on Hannity. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

You gotta watch, man. That's cool. I just imagine some NBC producer swearing up like just a storm. Just a continuous stream of curses just coming out of their mouth. I love it. CJ Hanson. Hanson says, Hey, Phil, the show was amazing in Sioux Falls and say hi to Wilco for me. Oh, OK.

Great man. You played with Wilco. I think he's talking about Wilco. Wilco. Wilco. OK. Andrew Wilco. Yeah.

Eric Cecil says, tell Benny Johnson, Michael Malice, Andy Ngo, Siraj Hashmi, Michael Tracy, Elijah Schaefer, Ian Miles Chong, Stix Hexenhammer to check their DMs. Tell everyone. I just did. I'm right here first. Everybody, if you're watching, check your DMs. I love Michael Malice. He's great.

Oh, I do too. That is a very smart man and he's hilarious. Sharp. You know what I love? I love when he tweets in response to Trump, we don't deserve him. It's perfect tweets. I love it. It's true.

He's the best troll. Yes. You heard about giving Michael Malice the controls of the Libertarian Twitter account. No, no. There was a poll or a – what's it called? Getting people to sign it. Petition? Petition.

Petition to get Michael Malice to get him to allow – to get the Libertarian Party to allow him to run their Twitter account. And I wish they would because he would just be nuking everyone. He would drop nuclear bombs that were just tasteless and just setting people on fire. And there is nothing more that I want in the world than Michael Malice to run the Libertarian Party's Twitter account. It would be the greatest he's one of the best twitter accounts he's the best you guys gotta follow michael malice yeah follow michael malice i'm gonna be i'm gonna go talk to him wednesday i think do it the

ambiguous trump replies are my favorite it's like is she saying it's good or is it bad it's don't know yeah it's amazing it's amazing let's see mike says, Phil, have you spoken to Eric July? Also, Tim, you should get him on. Eric July is great. I talk to him on Twitter and stuff like that. His band Backwards is great. Oh, cool. He's great.

I haven't. I'm not sure what you mean about spoken to him, but I we chat back and forth and, you know, we'll talk to each other on Twitter and stuff. The other white nerd says Supreme Leader Tim, what rights do you recognize in the nation of Pulistan? What about the rest of the panel? I will tell you this. Cilantro, fennel, caraway, anise. Gone.

Yes. Anise? Gone. Yes. I just ordered a bunch of fennel. Gosh darn it, Ian. It was licorice. I just ordered a bunch of licorice. Oh, is that OK? Black licorice. Terrible. Gone. Get out of here. Get out? Gone. Yes. I just ordered a bunch of fennel. Gosh darn it, Ian. It was licorice. I just ordered a bunch of licorice.

Oh, is that? Okay. Black licorice. Terrible. Gone. Get out of here. Get out. I'm back in.

I just got like a pound of fennel. You are officially vice chancellor. I'm in. I'm in. Cilantro's terrible. Fennel's horrible. I would have another one. Carraway seeds?

Gone. Get them out of there. Nonsense. A couple of rights I want to see. Right to transportation. Right to the internet. Okay, well, hold on. Hold on.

But will you have cilantro on that internet? Right to cilantro. No! It cannot be taken away. You can stuff cilantro into a tube and then put poop water into the tube and it will filter it into clean drinking water. Is that true? Or cilantro, yeah. That's not true.

Yeah, it's a water filter. Cilantro can filter feces out of water, yeah. Oh my gosh. It's the third world. Look, just because something has a use doesn't mean that all the uses are good uses. We almost were going to make you

Secretary of State with your free internet and transportation but that cilantro thing is a deal breaker. I don't know. It's a deal breaker. What say you, Lydia? I say no pepper jack. Whoa! I hate pepper jack. Can't do it. It's a deal breaker. Can't do it. What say you, Lydia? I say no pepper jack. Whoa. Snap. I hate pepper jack.

Outlying cheese is unacceptable. Not all cheese. Only pepper jack. All other cheese is fantastic, especially Gouda. It's in the name. It's good. Pepper jack, not good. I'm just saying.

What about you, Phil? Mandatory firearms training. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually serious. I love it. Government-granted guns? No, not government-granted guns, but government-supplied ammunition.

Yes. Excellent. Whatever gun you want to buy. So that way you can go ahead and actually not be a schmuck with a gun. Awesome. Get training. Being able to build our own...

Is it legal to build your own ammunition right now? It is. Oh. Oh, snap. You can make your own guns. now? It is. Oh, snap. You can make your own guns. I was going to ask that. How many 3D printed guns do you guys think are out there that are undocumented? You can machine your own guns.

Yeah, you can make your own. You probably know the legalities better than I do. Not enough. Can't you just... What's the one... There's like one part of the gun you got to register or something? The lower receiver. Well, it depends on which gun.

But if you're talking about an AR-15, the lower receiver has to be registered. The lower receiver well it depends on which gun but if you're talking about an ar-15 the lower receiver has to be registered the lower receiver is the gun it's the part that's serialized so it's got a serial number on it okay that's the uh so what's what's a what's a ghost ar a ghost ar is so you can get a an 80 percent lower and what that means is it's a lower receiver that's not 100 completed right so there's machining that has to be done you get a jig you put it in a drill press or a milling machine drill out the bottom or drill out the part you got to drill out and uh then you can build that i believe you can build like three or four guns a year for yourself without having to register them interesting there's no no paperwork or anything that you have to do.

I'm not sure about that. I can't say that 100%. But it is a gun that you build yourself would be a ghost gun, something that doesn't have a serial number on it. What about a pipe shotgun? You ever see one of those? Those are illegal, and I don't know what you're talking about. He has no idea what you're talking about, Timothy.

I have no clue. He's never heard of this before. I watched some YouTube video. Guns are... Because of defense distributed, gun control is a moot point. Yep. Absolutely. Three printed guns. Yeah.

It is no longer that you can control guns. There are people in Europe making their own guns making their own ammunition putting up videos of of themselves doing it on youtube and stuff it's not even 3d printing it's now uh consumer at home machining yep i've seen these machines it's just you just put in the code and then it just cnc machine yeah yeah computer navigated cutting yes with their phone and it's just you put in the code like a 3d printernc machines yeah yeah computer navigated cutting yep and it's

just you put in the code like a 3d printer you get them at home and you can put the metal you should buy one of those cnc machines they're great oh yeah i knew a dude who used to make rocket parts because he worked for a rocket uh company i love everything about this part of the conversation this is a great conversation we're like half an hour over and nobody cares yeah well uh we considering we are uh over we'll take a couple more super chats before we head out daniel woki woik says the michael malice petition was started by the libertarian party misis caucus misis caucus misis caucus they are very much against wokeism check them out on facebook they're very very good tom woods is a is a friend and he's a good resource when it comes to the mises caucus awesome

i'll look him up all right let's see joseph mathis says i'm presently developing a new left movement that's rooted in realism check out anti-marxist and realist philosopher manuel delanda good book to start with a thousand years of non-linear history cool mr deal folk says shout out to ricky b Biden not knowing what to do with his hands at Town Hall last night. There you go. Oh, Bucko.

That's it. Hi, Kitty. We gotta go. Bucko's joined us. Yeah, Bucko's coming. He's yelling because he wants food. He wants to cause trouble.

So as most of you know, Bucko's a cat. Yep. He was named for Jordan Peterson by my friend Emily. And normally he comes up to us around 10 when the show ends and then yells because he wants food. There he is.

You going to shout at Bucko? Oh, he's chilling. He's come in here complaining because we were half an hour over and he's looking for people's water to steal. Unacceptable. So he's not going to do it. Into the water. But that being said, okay, okay, Bucko, we're going to chill. We'll get you some water.

We're going to wrap it up. So Phil, you want to shout out your channels one more time? Come check out my stream on Twitch. It's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. It's twitch.tv slash philthatremains. And I am philthatremains everywhere. Philthatremains on Instagram. Philthatremains on Twitter.

I have a Minds profile. Philthatremains that I very rarely go to. Parler. Philthatremains. I just basically, if there's a social media thing out there that I have, it's Fill the Remains. Awesome. And I hear that you're in a band of some sort. So good luck.

Hopefully you guys make it. I'm hoping to. I believe in you guys. Right on. But for real, thanks for hanging out, man. It's been fun. Thank you. And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parlor at TimCast.

Check out YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News for my other channels. I put up content like every hour of the day. We'll have clips up from this show tomorrow. We had like a weird moment where like the internet cut out, but we'll get those clips up. And of course, you can follow Ian. Yo, Ian Crossland. Everywhere on social media. At your leisure.

Yes. And of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids. Sour Patch Lids. L-Y-D-S. L-Y-D-S. And what's... Is today Friday? Today is Friday. We just got a skate park built in the basement, so I'm going to go. I'm going to be skating that tomorrow. It's huge. It's amazing. It's going to be great. We're going to start filming videos on it, so we're

getting ready. COVID really slowed everything up, but we're planning on doing more crazy shenanigans and all that stuff. But we'll be back Monday, and I think our Monday guest is going to to be epic i'm not going to say who it is anymore though because all the guests so fun but the letters were all capital e-p-i-c yes yeah we got a really great guest it's going to be slept like yeah man see we've had like great guests and i'm like here's what's coming and then they cancel because they're like something happened or they missed a flight and it's's like, and then we told every.

So just get ready for Monday. You're going to love it. It's going to be fun. Thanks for hanging out. And we will see you all then. Bye, guys.