Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #153 - Hunter Biden Laptop Forwarded To Police over CHILD Exploitation Allegation, Drew Holden Joins

Episode Date: October 22, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and guest Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360 on Twitter) sit down to talk about Hunter Biden, the news media surrounding him, Rudy Giuliani, and Jeffrey Toobin. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We now have the FBI and the DOJ agreeing with the director of national intelligence that the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents are not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Yet somehow our news media, I should do air quotes for that. They haven't gotten the memo. And I think it was like an MSNBC. Some guy was like, it's clearly Russian propaganda. And of course, CNN still pushing the lie because they're not. They're not. It's not journalism. It's anti journalism. You know, it's it's not enough that they must not

be journalists. They must actively be anti journalists. That's their thing. That's their motto. So now we have another update. Rudy Giuliani has said that he's transferred contents of the of the laptop that he believes shows child sexual exploitation to Delaware police. And a lot of really interesting opinions about this, because local cops are not feds. They're not federal level. So you're going to so some people are saying you're going to end up with some regular old cop being like, I don't know, man, I saw this on the laptop and they're going to they're going to testify as to exactly what they saw. Whereas with, you know, FBI, there's concerns of a partisanship, especially following

Obamagate and all that stuff. So we are going to talk all about the Russia's nonsense, the media garbage. There's this new thing with Rudy Giuliani and Borat, which is complete fake news as far as I understand it, claiming that he was like trying to get down with some young journalist and he was caught. As if that's a scandal anyway, but sure, they want to get a 70-something-year-old man in a bedroom with a secret camera. That's on them. Fun, I guess. So joining me today to talk about this, of course, we've got Ian Crossland. He's chilling.

What up? And Sour Patch Lids is producing and all that. I'm here in the corner. And we have Drew Holden, who is the master of threads on Twitter. It's because you put the thread emojis in everything you do, you know? That's fair. I know. And I've got it in the bio, too.

I mean, it's my top emoji, I think, all the time now. The threads? Yeah. So smash the like button, subscribe, notification bell, show, Monday to Friday live, 8 p.m., blah, blah, blah. You know how it works. And tomorrow's the debate. So we're going to be hanging out for the debate. We won't have a show tomorrow.

But we'll start with this, the Russian stuff, man. And then we'll jump into the weird, creepy Hunter kids thing. But I actually used one of your threads on Russian Disinfo. I think it was today. Maybe it was today maybe yesterday where basically you have all of these media companies continually pushing this lie that the hunter biden laptop and the emails that implicate joe biden in these you know pay for play deals and using his son as an intermediary to cash in on his name this is all russian russian disinformation right with no evidence yep that's that's that's the media today so uh i don't know we were ragging on the media why don't you just just go ahead. Yep. That's the media today.

So I don't know. We were ragging on the media. Why don't you just go ahead and rag on the media? At this point, it's a knee-jerk thing, right? I mean, we saw after everything happened with the Russian collusion narrative that if something comes out that's inconvenient or not politically expedient, particularly during an election, of course, it's got to be the Russians. Heaven forbid that Joe Biden's troubled son maybe did something wrong. Maybe there's news out there that hurts Dems. No, it's got to be the russians heaven forbid that joe biden's troubled son maybe did something wrong maybe there's news out there that hurts dems no it's got to be russia it's it's it's like the first thing that comes out they're like it was russia and everyone goes oh and they're like that's right the next thing that comes out it that was russia too and they're like really

then the third thing oh and and that that too huh yeah that was russia and then finally they're like just doing their nails and they're like oh yeah like yeah, like when you miss – when a sock is gone, it's dry. It's only one in there. Russia. Russia took that. And you're like, really, man? Like, come on. And they didn't even wait for a split second, right?

I know. There was one report that there was investigations into – and who knows? I mean, it was one unnamed source from the FBI said that it's being investigated as Russian disinformation. And in a heartbeat, it went from there's an investigation into whether or not this could potentially be Russian disinformation to it is Russian disinformation. Did you see what Politico wrote? Yes. This is amazing. The headline was like, former intelligence say this is a Russian disinformation campaign. And then in the story, there's a quote.

Let me be clear. We have seen no evidence and have no reason to believe it's Russian disinformation. That's right. But it smells like it. It's incredible. And so my favorite, so James Clapper, who I think has outed himself as a hardcore partisan who has, one, a tenuous grasp on reality at best, and two, he's a political hack, right? That's what he is. He came out, the first night it came out, he was on CNN, and he said, this is textbook, by the book, Russian disinformation. Oh, yeah. And it's, it's,

again, they're wired, I think so many of these people to see something they don't like and assume that it has to be Russia. And so it's so easy for them to just take that fit into their narrative that blew up years ago, right? I mean, like, this is this isn't new stuff. The idea that not everything bad as Russia is, has been thoroughly debunked for years and years and years, and they can't snap out of that schema to approach everything in the world. Is it the best they can do? You'd think at this point they'd be like, it's actually – it's Uruguay. At least there's China in there. I mean, my God.

It shouldn't be that hard to think of something. It's New Zealand. New Zealand interference. Yeah, exactly. And it's just the lack of curiosity I I think, is really what kills me. Because, you know, you did, I think you were right to look at the filing nails, too, right? These people don't care. One of the reasons why it's so easy to make it Russian disinformation is the people who are hearing the story, it could be aliens.

They're not interested. They do not care. They may as well be. Exactly. They are fundamentally disinterested in whatever this is because it hurts their team. It's like a new Red Scare almost. Russia. Could you imagine if we make it to the point where we have history on this era that's accurate?

They're going to be like, and at some point, for some reason, all these Democrats thought Russia was around every corner. I almost kind of envy some of these people because life is boring in a lot of ways. Could you imagine if we really lived in a world where it's like you were Jamesames bond and you go you go outside to get the newspaper and it's like a russian like behind your garage and he's like peeking at you like hey russia i see you get you know and you wiggle your fist at him and then he leaves and then you know you're like you go into your your your basement to get some you know extension cables and there's like some russians and you're like pushing them with the burlap russia yeah i mean it's it's like have you guys seen the tv show the americans right it's it's the same it's the same thing where you've got

like it's a suburban household and you've got sorry if i'm spoiling this i think they get to it in season one there are like these undercover kgb agents back in back in the cold war and it's like yeah wow that's exciting don't you wish like wouldn't it be and so much of this too you know i think we see it we see it with the blm movement we see with lots of different people there is this desire to have a life that is meaningful and interesting and where we live in such hot and heady times it can be really easy to say we are like it's it's similar to the we're living in the most important most consequential election of our lifetime like if you if you can convince yourself time and time again that the things that are happening are not

as boring as they appear and they are exciting and they involve you and you're in the thick of it. Like if you're a journalist, of course, they're going to do that. Of course, that's more exciting. Dude, it's gang stalking. You know what gang stalking is? That's, no. So it's, it's a, there are people who are afflicted by this paranoid delusion that agents are stalking them. And after 9-11, there was a big surge of people believing government agents were stalking them. So some people believe it was born and bred out of online conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and the government.

Right now, that same phenomenon is happening but with white supremacists. So I was reading an article about this. It's really interesting. It was Jonathan Kaye from Quillette first. I saw him post about this, and I was like, that's a really good point. And he mentions that when you look at these threads where the people are like, the white supremacists are hunting me and they're targeting my family and sending us letters and things. It is the exact same narrative as the agents. But here's the thing. When you tell someone I'm being stalked by agents, they think you're crazy. But if you're an activist and you

say white supremacists, they go, oh man, these white supremacists are such a big problem. So right now there's a story you said today wrote about this. Some dude, I think, in the Pacific Northwest filed a lawsuit against a whole bunch of like conservative entities. OK. Like right wing entities and individuals. The person has no idea who they are saying that they're infringing on his rights and making it unsafe for him to go outside. And so he's got to sue. It is Russia is the resistance. democrats gang stalking yeah paranoia

the russians are here could you imagine thinking like vladimir putin is like he's like hiding in your basement and like everyone who tweeted you is clearly working for putin yes right this is a whole new level so back in the in the 2000s you had people who were like you're an agent you oh there's agents everywhere yeah right Now that we're very online, it's the exact same thing, but they're going, Russia, Russians. You respond to someone and someone will tweet something like, I think Donald Trump is evil. And you'll comment, well, I just disagree with that. And they'll say, you must be a Russian. Yes. Russian bots everywhere. Yeah. And again, I think for a lot of people, it's really easy

because if you see the world as fundamentally black and white, everything's good or everything is bad, then yes, of course, everything that doesn't go your way has got to be something malicious. It's Putin or it's the little green men or whatever it is. But it's so easy, I think, to get wrapped up in that sort of a narrative. And right now you've got an entire media ecosystem that is hooked on this. Why did they not choose China? would say russia is a democracy well well well i don't know if it's a real democracy but it's not well they overthrew the communists i i because uh they don't want to actually injure their partners do they biden likes them yeah biden does like them did you know when he was naming all our global enemies and in the end he was like and china's doing their thing and they're not a competition for us. Yeah, exactly.

And we have these emails where a company called CEFC was a Chinese was an energy energy firm. Yes. Yeah. There was an email saying 10 H will hold 10 percent for the big guy. And apparently, I guess Fox News reached out to people on the email chain who confirmed the big guy was Joe Biden. So Joe Biden, let's stop all that real quick. And let me just ask you a question. Why did Hunter Biden fly on Air Force Two to China to negotiate a private equity deal?

Isn't that bad? Right. And that's that's like a well-known thing. There's photos of him on the plane. OK, that's bad enough. If you were to tell me following those meetings, Joe Biden was telling his son, I want to cut. I'd be like, makes sense. He was the one giving the ride on government property.

Yeah. So now we get these emails where Hunter Biden is doing a deal with Chinese officials and they're and they're all part of the Communist Party, because if you're going to do anything, you're a member or whatever. And then they say, you know, 20 for H, 20 for L and 10 for held by H for the big guy. And everyone's like, I wonder who the big guy is. The first story comes out insinuating. Could this have been Joe Biden? Then Fox News reached out to someone on the email chain, asked, and they said, yep, that was Joe Biden. So you want to know why Joe Biden and the Democrats or whatever won't say China is doing it?

Because they're cutting sweet deals, man. We're setting up. They've been setting up factories for decades, taking our jobs, moving them overseas, and they're getting in. They're in on that deal. It's lucrative for them. My question with all of these people is how did they enter public service getting paid a hundred, you know, at the time, 47 years ago, probably wasn't even getting six figures.

Now he's a millionaire. I get it. Maybe you have to, you you know in the past four years he did book deals and speaking tours and stuff but this is somebody who made wealth off of public service yeah i'm not a fan of that more importantly in response finally joe biden responds to these emails and he was like he was first of all he goes it's really not these journalists are terrified to even ask him questions it's pathetic and then he's like you know my son you know he was asked did your son make money off the family name that's untrue that's a smear and then the daily caller plays the clip from last year where hunter biden's like he gets asked by a

journalist do you think you would have been put on the board of burisma if your name wasn't biden he goes i don't know i don't know probably not there's probably a lot of things in my life that you know he said probably every part of my life lot of things in my life that I, you know, he said probably every part of my life has been influenced by the fact that I'm, you know, the son of the vice president or whatever. So, of course, the only reason they hired the guy and it's like it's in the correspondence. He knows it. Exactly.

He's even talked about leveraging his name to get more money. Like I can talk to the big guy, if you know what I mean. So, so correct me if I'm wrong, because you probably followed a lot of this with the Michael Flynn stuff. I remember reading that, I think it was Sally Yates. Someone said they were really concerned about Michael Flynn when he said, Russia isn't our biggest threat. China is. And that prompted them to start spying and investigating him and whatever. But he was right.

Yeah. Even Obama called Russia, what what a regional power yeah and now all of a sudden russia is the most powerful villain on the planet oh right and remember what he said to romney too in the debates he romney was talking about why russia is our biggest geopolitical foe and obama laughs at him and he goes take your cold war ideology is that and the other thing and get rid of it like it's 80 80s are calling. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The 80s are calling and they want their foreign policy back. Like this is like Russia was never post Cold War. Russia has never been that big of an issue.

Don't get me wrong. I'm I can't even believe I'm saying that as someone who's like a pretty committed Russia hawk, but it's insane the way that they can they can blow them up into a boogeyman and a bad guy who's hiding behind every rock who is is out there waiting in the wings to to disrupt whatever it is and at the end of the day all that does is help russia if you follow if you follow the case out all that does if all of us are sitting here scared by russia you know who's just had an incredible return on their investment russia putin i have a i have a really good idea i want to animate a little

cartoon where it's it's brian stelter with a push broom and he's like you know trying to clean up and there's little Putins running around. And he's like, you know, shuffle them out of the room. And he's like, you know, put his hands on his hips. Like, amazing. Little, little Putins running around. They're like knocking things over and making a mess. And he's like, oh, yeah, that'd be funny.

That's good. It's a more hokey and family friendly version of where they actually live. I think to them, it's more like Slenderman. You remember Slenderman? Oh, of course. You know what that was? No. Creepyp was like it was like a game i guess or i don't know it was a creepypasta and then there was like a game where yeah you're like walking around this really nightmarish looking woods and then all of a sudden you turn around and slenderman is right there in front of you and you're like ah that's what it's like for

them you know they're like you know they open their refrigerator to put the milk away and putin's in there but it's because it's easy, right? Yeah. It's uncomplicated, right? And I think when – if you've got to wade into the China stuff, it becomes a lot harder. You've got an ascended power. We don't really know what to do. We're entangled with them in so many different ways.

Russia is easy. Russia has been the bad guy for 60, 70 years. Since the end of World War II, Russia has always been a super good man, bad guy. And all you have to do is plug it into the James Bond sort of mentality of like, look look these are the same bad guys we've always fought this is the cold war redux where it's happening all over again and i think part of it is they just got hooked like it happened once and it worked right they were able to sell the american people unfortunately really really well and really really convincingly that it is russia they're the bad guy they're the threat and they're not going away and so now when something new comes out it's so easy to just

take that idea and drop it right into this narrative they've already gotten there's no new information this is really great interaction between uh the washington examiner's chief congressional correspondent suzanne ferrechio i'm probably pronouncing her name wrong torches brian stelter for dismissing hunter biden news defending russia coverage this is this is really really really interesting so we have this tweet from the washington examiner where freccio is it says discusses media's treatment of the steel dossier versus hunter biden's email yeah saying now we have ethics oh okay and brian stelter of cnn goes don't you dare don't you act like newsrooms didn't have ethics in 2017 and 18 they didn't and and and you know who's who doesn't now brian stelter yes that dude is one of the most unethical and duplicitous people

on tv and i and and and you know i i've made his acquaintance on several occasions and it's amazing Now, Brian Stelter. Yes. That dude is one of the most unethical and duplicitous people on TV. And I've made his acquaintance on several occasions. And it's amazing how far he's gone in taking this role at CNN. He's effectively gone from a media critic of The New York Times to a reality TV show about how the Russians are out to get you and Donald Trump is evil. And that's all the show is. He brings on echo chamber personalities. He doesn't bring anyone to challenge his worldview. I'll tell you, to be honest,

I've been trying to book leftists to come on the show. They don't do it. They won't. They love to publicly say like, I'll go on your show and then privately, actually, I don't want to go on your show. We got one for next week. Oh, we do?

We do. Oh, excellent. Well, don't say who it is because then they'll cancel. They'll get attacked by people. Seriously. So, I mean, I would like to have a a challenge you know or at least different perspectives i don't care where they come from now all they do on cnn is regurgitate the same

talking points and brian salter will be like so uh this is russia isn't it and that's that's absolutely correct brian this is 100 russia and uh we have a conservative here and the conservative goes i'm actually a conservative though i support joe biden and i also agree it was russia yes exactly it's the the range of perspectives is like the super apologetic lincoln project out to shea or so and it's uh it doesn't make sense to me getting back to the steel dossier points i think this is a good one don't forget too it wasn't just that the steel dossier was accurate or that it was valuable or it was good. They made this thing into like a reality TV show itself.

Right. There was, I mean, Jane Mayer had that super long piece. It was the New Yorker, New York mag, where she talked all about Christopher Steele's background. They made a hero out of this guy. Everything, all of it. And I remember because I obviously have a thread on this, too. Oh, we got to slow down. A lot of people don't know the Steele dossier is.

Good, you're right. So Steele dossier, way back when, in the early aughts of 2015, 2016. So long ago. Yeah, which oddly, I can't believe I'm saying this, seems like simpler times, right? It does. At least there wasn't a global pandemic.

I don't know. I think things were simpler. The Clinton campaign reached out to a former MI5, so British intelligence individual named Christopher Steele, who, as part of a team of individuals, pulled together what was meant to be originally an oppo doc that then I think the Republicans got their hand in. This guy Steele basically got contractors. It was like to smear Trump. Background is supposed to be damaging background on Trump. And so when it first broke news, BuzzFeed was the one who got their hands on the content.

And they pretty unscrupulously pushed all of this out. Steele at the time, I guess kind of to his credit, said, listen, I can't speak for all of the underlying allegations here. I think whenever you pull together a dossier like this, you're relying on secondhand sources. You don't know the veracity of all the information that might live here, but I think it's probably 85% true. Wasn't Steele's dossier like accusations that Donald Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed? This is where the pee tape comes from. This is where the pee tape comes from.

These people are nuts. And it was the bed that, if you remember the story, this is the bed that Michelle and Barack Obama slept in when they were there, too. Like, it's, again, like, we laugh at it now because it's so palpably absurd. I laughed back then, dude. But it's insane because so many people, particularly in the media, they bought it. And there were so many people, too, who would look at it and say, well, maybe the pee tape isn't true. But the rest of this stuff, all this underlying information, he said that he was in Russia.

He was in Russia. And this is where you get – you've got all of these unsubstantiated allegations floating around. A lot of them sound bad. No kidding. It's oppo research. The whole point is that it's supposed to sound bad. And the guy in charge of pulling it all together says, I don't know if all this is true, but our entire media ecosystem, because this is in the hot and heady days right after the

2016 election, turbocharged all that directly into the mainstream narrative about Trump. It's almost like a circle of jerks were spreading information among each other. Very much like a certain individual who recently enjoyed a CNN analyst who enjoyed a bit of personal tubing. Yeah, it was tubing. It was tubing? Yeah. So check it out.

This from Suzanne, or Susan Ferreccio from The Examiner is criticizing the media for not taking the Hunter Biden laptop seriously. There's there's photos of Hunter Biden with his dad on Air Force Two. Like we know he went. We know he was on the board of Burisma. So now he's accused of being corrupt.

OK, well, the guy who founded Burisma was corrupt. Like at the very least, Joe Biden's son was on the board of a company that was founded by a super corrupt dude who has fled the country now twice. There's at least a little bit of corroboration that maybe we can ask about what Hunter Biden was doing. No, it's a smear. He did nothing wrong. Giuliani just put basically his career on the line. His entire, I mean, what would you call his legacy? Everything that he's done is now on the line.

He said that there was illegal stuff on there involved now we're yeah now we're getting into the the bad stuff let's let's go for it let's let's let's pull it up from the examiner watch the examiner rudy giuliani says he sent alleged sexually explicit materials involving underage girls from hunter biden to delaware police this is the examiner so so here's what we know giuliani said he did it and is that news in and of itself well just to the news reached out to the police and the police said we did forward the materials to right you know to the fbi or i'm sorry to the state the state department of justice does it mean we have evidence no does mean hunter biden is guilty no he's innocent until

proven guilty and i mean i haven't seen anything yeah now the challenge with this is no one's going to publish any explicit photographs of an underage it's just not going to happen so the question now is like what do we do 13 days out from an election with this material and so it's it's there i mean there's a let me read a little bit they say rudy giuliani said on tuesday that he shared allegedly explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Biden with police in Delaware. The text messages and photos discussed by Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump and former New York City mayor, appear to have been found in a laptop hard drive that purportedly belonged to Hunter Biden. Blah, blah, blah. Those computer materials are already in possession of the FBI.

Quote, There's a text message to Hunter's father in which he says the following, and he's discussing his sister-in-law, who for quite some time was his lover. Giuliani told Newsmax, setting up the background for the exchange, he says, she told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate. This would be with an unnamed 14-year-old girl, and that's what Biden was apparently was apparently saying now i want to stop there biden hunter is saying to joe she accused me of this that doesn't mean he was accused of it doesn't mean there's any photos so we don't know for sure and that's that's what giuliani has has actually shown right giuliani if there was photos he's not going to hold up a photograph for a camera yeah so it it is a a conundrum but i'll tell you this i don't believe no matter what you

think of rudy giuliani he's fabricating these things i'm willing to bet he gave some stuff to the police now the question is how serious is it we won't know right and here's the thing too like the idea that it's fabricated right even setting aside anyone's personal feelings about giuliani that would be a felony and not just any felony like that would catch him in an enormous amount of very very public legal penalty and legal problem. And so the idea that he would make all this up and fabricate it like somebody, he's got to be smart enough to know that if he does that, someone will find it. Someone will find it in the end. Maybe. But think about this. You know, James O'Keefe brought this up that it feels like the New York Times and these media

outlets are smearing him with outright and obvious lies because we got two weeks to the election. So just let her rip and deal with it later. Exactly, because that's the thing. Like if you're like if you want, whether you're in the media or whether you're in politics or whatever it is, if you want Biden to win, now is not the time to be curious. Right. You don't want to be curious about any of this. And so I think, you know, there's there's a little bit of the ends justify the means, I think, going on in a lot of people's heads where even the where even the idea, like, let's say, and I don't think this will happen, but let's say it all comes out to be bunk. It's all fake.

If you're a journalist at the New York Times or CNN and you start poking around and start raising the profile of this thing and it actually is disinformation, again, no evidence that it is. But in these people's minds, if it's disinformation, then they're pulling it. They're doing what Comey did last cycle. Right. They're giving evidence to they're giving weight to people to vote against Biden in the run up to an election. And they're too scared to even touch it. I think if you if if if they report on it in any capacity, yeah, it's out there. Exactly. And you're not going to reach every single person. So the media being at this point, an apparatus of the Democratic Party is just shutting up, whereas an actual news outlet is going to be like, I don't care when it is. I don't care what what's happening.

Let's talk about the story. So my my my position has been basically, is this dirty politics? Oh, you betcha. They are releasing this information in October on purpose. They want to help Trump win. Does that mean Hunter Biden biden is innocent no this is pretty damning information and joe biden seems to be involved in these like pay for play kind of things i think they wait until the very last minute to influence an election because that's what they do that's what hillary clinton was doing with oppo research in the steel dossier it's dirty politics now what are we as citizens supposed to do when we find out at the very last minute 11th hour that joe biden might be selling his name using his son as an intermediary to bypass laws essentially the loophole oh man and don't vote for him i guess that's the first

thing you do and so so there's a question of is it is it good that they waited this long so that it's fresh in our minds because if they published this information months ago everyone will forget about it yeah it'd be buried by now so it wouldn't come up and stuff yeah yeah and you know right like no debate moderator is going to touch it it's it's going to go it's going to go down the memory hole and we're all going to forget about now trump's going to bring it up tomorrow they're going to be like they're going mr trump uh we want to talk to you about black lives matter and he's going to go hunter biden's laptop has photographs of underage the problem is if he did that doesn't have anything to do my opinion if hunter is a scheming you know no no just a dirty underage girl doing guy it's not joe biden yes but if

biden's involved with barisma that's a problem no the cefc is is the bigger deal in my opinion that's the chinese they went under my understanding is the thing about barisma, that's a problem. No, the CEFC is the bigger deal in my opinion. What's that? That's the Chinese. They went under my understanding is the thing about Burisma is that they've tried to debunk this to the upteenth degree. It's like, you know, oh, Joe was doing it because the international community thought Shokin was bad or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, OK, how about the China email? I saw this one dude I know. He posted, Joe Biden may be meeting an executive from a Ukrainian company is the worst October surprise I've ever seen. And it's responded with the best I've seen was the email indicating Joe Biden was using his son as an intermediary to receive Chinese equity through a loophole essentially. That's the big – that's the crazy. But I'll tell you what. If Joe Biden came out when this email dropped in these emails dropped when the laptop dropped in the emails dropped and he said, I think everybody knows at this point that I have a troubled son.

And I think many people in this country have dealt with addiction and struggled through that. And I understand what it's like to have a loved one who does as well. And I would respect, you know, ask for privacy. And then if he actually was honest addressed it wasn't angry and snapping no you're lying no you're smearing me raw yeah and he actually just he owned up to it it would have worked in his favor agreed he would have been a sympathetic dad who's got his troubled kid that he's trying and you know what man he really could have played it up if he said hunter is his only son now right because after bow passed after bow

passed yeah if he said i had a son bow Bo Biden, who passed, it was cancer, I believe, right? Yeah. And he says, and now my only child has these addictions, these problems and is struggling. And I'm doing everything in my power to keep him safe and protect him. And it's causing great struggles through my family. And I will do anything for my son. That would have been sympathetic. People would have been like this poor guy this poor guy

and there's so many people in this country who probably can sympathize with having a messed up kid yeah but knowing they still love him and will do anything for him instead what's ended up happening with joe biden is he snaps at reporters he refused to take questions and it makes it seem like he's the mastermind using his son to make cash. Yeah. And bring, you know. And he's obviously denigrating reporters, too, right? This happened with Bo, what's his face, from CBS. It would be one thing if he said, hey, you know what? That's not appropriate. And then jumped into what you had just mentioned, right?

And talked about a very, unfortunately, and tragically American story about what it's like to have a loved one who's battling addiction. Yep. You're right. Like, that's the sort of thing that millions and millions and millions of Americans can relate to in a deeply sympathetic way. But the fact is, he clams up, he shuts down, and he gets mad at a reporter for even having the gall to ask. And it does. It makes it look like he's got something to hide because the... I think he does. Biden's been in public life for 47 years. He's answered probably, not lately, but he's answered tough questions in front of the media. He's been been media trained there's a super easy way to pivot and the fact that he's not taking

it as someone seeking the highest office in the land it does smell bad well i i can say there's one there's there's two different ways to look at it one he's lost it he's lost his edge also i mean come on man the dude 70 was he 78 now he's still 77 77 i don't know his birthday is he's he's he's uh he doesn't have it anymore you know speaking of things we're not allowed to talk about right what is age yeah no it's it's his mental health and his son's emails oh right the two off topics let me tell you it's harry reed i want to talk about that oh that's right well well rape allegedly sexually assaulted assault well so listen listen same thing i'm 34 and i skateboard all the time and it's funny when like people comment and they're like, man, Tim, for someone in your

30s, you still got it. And I'm like, dude, when I was 19, I would jump off a building and like bounce on the ground and then get back up. Yeah, I'm 34 and I'm not doing that. I'm skating ramps. It's easier on the knees and stuff. Amazing. Listen, skateboarding is something you can do really, really well when you're into your

late teens and early 20s. And then when every skateboarder knows when you're 30s, you kind of chill out a little bit. But there are some pro skaters who are still in their 50s and they're still they're doing really really well but we all understand how sports works yeah how long do you play football basketball for joe biden is 77 he's not sharp anymore he can't handle this so maybe he used to be able to handle tough questions and now he can't so he gets bits of you know what it is when people's brains don't work and they can't recall and they feel constrained by their lack of ability, they get angry.

They get angry. Right? I see this with men a lot. Yeah. With dementia, right? With dementia. Yeah. I can only imagine how frustrating it is to be like standing there and you're like, think, why can't I think?

Why can't I, what do I say? I'm just sick of this. No, shut your mouth. And in front of the whole world too, right? It's not like he's just a guy going about his life or whatever. He's also a plagiarist. Like he had to drop out.

Was it the 1988? Yeah, it's true. 84 or something like that. 87. I think it was 87. He dropped out because he got caught plagiarizing in his presidential bid. Did you see the Johnny Carson thing?

No. It's a really great bit from, what did Carson host? The Tonight Show? Late Show? Yeah, yeah. But he's like, great bit from what did carson host the tonight show late show yeah yeah but he's like he's like did you did you see this joe joseph biden's dropped out after he was caught plagiarizing he apparently took some words from a british politician used him as his own and well to reassure his staff he said listen there's nothing to fear but fear itself so good classic that's good oh back when stand-up was good but but then didn't biden recently

no no he's been yeah he's been plagiarizing a lot wasn't there something recently he did yeah i was scratching my brain for that too well so so yeah oh right let me go back to the first point i was trying to make about the emails is that he may just be dull and unable and it's really frustrating to like not be able to do it anymore sure but the other thing may be that he's in on it and he knows what he was doing and he's freaking out. Yeah. So he's getting asked. He's like, shut your mouth.

Yeah. And I mean, that's the thing, too. Like, it's it looks like I think that obviously it all looks bad. But can you imagine if anyone in good faith in the media or whatever it is if they actually thought that this was something that was that was a non-story if they actually spent some time to to look into it i think one of the reasons it looks so bad and him looking frustrated looks so bad is everyone is saying don't look don't look in the corner don't look in the corner and so what are your eyes gonna do they're gonna dry right like there's nothing else for them to do and so

when you have this this concerted effort around it to make sure that no one is looking at this thing that like i don't know it's the 800 pound elephant in the room but you know you know what the media is looking at right now what rudy giuliani tucking in his shirt oh yeah they're trying to smear giuliani yeah this is this is amazing the russia thing fell apart that's why so well here's what's fascinating there is illicit uh illicitly obtained footage of Giuliani. And there's a photo that was published where he's leaning back on a bed with his hand, like, partially down his pants. And I was reading the story and it said, because these news outlets want to insinuate something, but they struggle to because they'll get sued. And it said Giuliani laid back and fiddled with his untucked shirt as if to imply what? The photos make it look they're trying to make it seem like Giuliani got caught by Sasha Baron Cohen trying to like hook up with

a young journalist or something in a hotel room when in reality he was tucking in his shirt he did an interview they took the mic off and when they when they when they mic you up they have to put it through your shirt right yeah right so he probably had to untuck a piece of his shirt run the mic up the lapel sense put on his jacket and then when they took it down he was leaning back an old fat man you know tucking his shirt in then they used that to make it seem like he was doing something else so so so here's here's what's funny Giuliani says I've got text messages here's an email and they go well we don't know if this is true yeah and then Sasha Baron Cohen goes I am bar at and here is Giuliani and they go well we don't know if this is true yeah and then sasha

baron cohen goes i am barat and here is giuliani and then they're all like everybody look at giuliani he's getting naked or something something yeah i mean it's the entire media who just lectured us for a really long time about how we have to wait for things to shake out and wait for more evidence to develop or else it might be someone who is deliberately trying to mislead us can 100 jump the shark as soon as it becomes convenient for them, right? And I think this is why, you know, we brought up the Steele dossier earlier. I think this is why a lot of conservatives look at these, hey, don't look at the man

behind the curtain and say, you've never cared about this before. When have you once showed even a tiny, tiny modicum of reservation before accepting a story when it's helpful and convenient for you? And they just did it again. They're in the middle of ignoring another story that matters. And they jump the shark on something else that is very clearly tied to it. You know what I think? Like the Democratic Party and the establishment left. It seems to be a chicken running around with its head cut off.

Right. And I don't think anybody cut its head off like Trump didn't do it. Trump came because they were frantic and like, you know, spastic. Yeah, I think maybe they just the establishment politics of this country just eventually lost its will and strength. And maybe maybe it's Hillary Clinton's fault. Yeah. Like maybe instead of the Democrats finding a strong, charismatic leader to carry the party forward, Hillary demanded it. And she wasn't the person who was supposed to lead them.

And that resulted in a substantive weakening of what the left was. And so the reason I bring this up is I'm thinking about Sacha Baron Cohen and what he's trying to do. And I think 10 years ago, like when was Borat when it first came out? Yeah. It was. Look. think 10 years ago like when was borat when it first come out yeah it was it was look back in the days of john stewart you had very smart liberal individuals who in good faith mocked things that were ludicrous and you know john stewart like what we might i mentioned this

before the show but he's even praised project veritas back in the back in the day and james o'keefe is i think i think he may have tweeted about it at some point james uh uh uh john stewart was like they did good journalism. They exposed this. And he even showed like the acorn investigation Veritas did. And he was like, tell me this does not get worse. And he uncritically was showing Veritas like this is amazing stuff. Yeah.

Today, after John Stewart leaves, after Obama, you know, leaves in 2016, there is a power vacuum in the Democratic Party and the establishment left in this country where there's no charisma anymore. Right. Hillary Clinton certainly did not have any. And then they started creating all of these like plastic versions of Jon Stewart. So John Oliver, Jordan Klepper, Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah, they do not understand what made The Daily Show fun and interesting and exciting. Right. So now what you get is, and looping back to Sacha Baron Cohen, it's, I don't know, make fun of conservatives, I guess, and people like it. So what's happened is they've created this political structure based on people with low information individuals who don't do research, who don't read news, who literally get their

news from Trevor Noah or John Oliver. When people were getting their news from Jon Stewart, it was kind of bad. But it wasn't that bad because Jon Stewart still would show you Veritas and uncritically be like, can you believe this stuff? So you were getting your news in a fun and interesting way where someone was being funny. To replicate this, B-tier individuals who didn't have the charisma or talent of someone like Stewart looked at his show and misunderstood what made it interesting. And they said, you know what he does?

He makes fun of conservatives. So you end up now with these like – look at John Oliver. I love this. John Oliver, when his show last week tonight first started airing, when it first came out, it was always blowing up on Reddit and getting upvoted to crazy every single time. And then one day, it slowly started going down and people were posting it less and upvoted to crazy every single time. And then one day, it slowly started going down, and people were posting it less and upvoting it less. And I noticed in the comments, people were saying, dude, all of his jokes, his shows are the exact same show with different proper nouns.

He would do the exact same thing. And that's why the meme of current year, Little Timothy, it's current year little timothy it's current year because that's his he had they took one stewart joke yeah wrote it out and said replace this and this and this and we have a story yeah and so that's what the show was so what happens when you create a bunch of knockoff plastic versions of what was once charismatic and entertaining to the left you get something boring and unwatchable but the low information individuals who like shows like big bang theory with laugh tracks no offense to big bang theory uh viewers but it's like it's you watch a show with a laugh track because they tell you when to laugh right you watch john oliver

because he tells you when the joke is because the joke is at the same point every single time right you're not getting real information anymore and you know you're never going to be the butt of the joke right and i think that's one of the keys for someone like oliver in a way that stewart like he he was always happy to be a circular firing squad he takes shots at anyone he takes shots at himself whatever it is but i think one of the reason why so many people particularly right now when things are really scary for a lot on the left are so drawn to a format like that is they are always the good and righteous one and the person being laughed at is always someone else whom they don't like and honestly at the end of the day probably don't know i think one of the

one of my favorite anecdotes that i always come back to is there's a journalist who did an interview with other journalists about the number of people who they knew who owned a ford f-150 the the what the biggest selling car in the country and they didn't know anybody they didn't know anybody it was like it was like it was like one in 15 journalists or something knew someone who had an F-150. Whereas everyday Americans, it's like one in one, right? And so when you've got this small and now narrowing group of people who are all laughing at the same joke over and over again within what is essentially a coddled safe space where they know it's never going to be them, nothing they do could ever be wrong, it becomes like it's comfort food for them rather than something that's entertaining. We're going there. Jeffrey Toobin.

No. Franking one out. No. And here's why I'm bringing this up in this context. I can't. The BuzzFeed article when they said, who among us? What? And I'm like, most.

Listen, these journalists, they all live in New York. Yeah. BuzzFeed, Vox, all these progressives. You can probably walk a block and be at the next office for the next digital blog. Yep. Political blog, lefty progressive blog. They all hang out with each other. They all know each other.

They all they have things called journal lists. Do you remember this scandal where the journalists would be on these all these different companies? Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. They were called journal lists. And I think it was made by the Vox guy. I'm not entirely sure. Sounds right. And so what you have is 200 New York-based journalists all sharing information and creating an echo chamber among themselves where they're talking about what they think is happening, and they have no idea what's really happening.

So when you say they don't know anybody was a Ford F-150, which is like the top-selling vehicle or whatever, I understand the point you're trying to make, and I think the Jeffrey Toobin thing is a better point. That they would post an article thinking it was funny to say that they whack off during business meetings. And I'm like, do you think that's relatable to the hardworking carpenter or electrician or plumber? I'm pretty sure plumbers, it's never occurred to them that during work they could crank one out. I mean, maybe some weirdos. Oh, for sure it has. Ian's like, yeah. No, no, we're talking plumbers. Shout out all plumbers out there listen here's what i'm saying

when i heard that story and i'm like i know they're not really serious but they thought it would be funny to be like come on weren't you in a business call and you did something and i'm like i take my work very seriously yeah exactly i haven't done it yeah i haven't there were like because in the article they're saying things like you've muted it to you know do something you've gone to the bathroom or whatever i'm like i've never done anything like that i will not i will like i will i will leave the computer and say hey guys like i gotta go i'll i'll you know call back in a few minutes if i go to the bathroom or something if i'm if i'm if i'm on a business call i'm on a business call but what you get from here

is first of all they think it's relatable to claim they whack off during business meetings okay if that's funny to them i get it i'm laughing at them not right exactly they think they think everyone who reads that article is laughing with them like we all do it no that's just you weirdos right in new york with weird problems and weird friends right because i the other thing, the other reason it's so funny is they can probably look at all seven of their friends and say, hey, you guys all do this too. They're like, oh, yeah, of course I do. Who doesn't do that? It's like, oh, look, all seven of us do this.

I'm sure everyday Americans are the exact same way. And I think it's one of an innumerable number of different cases where people in the media are really, really bad at generalizing out what an everyday American looks like. And so you saw, I think this is why Trump caught everyone by surprise he's like you had a whole lot of journalists who looked at all their friends and none of their friends were voting for trump so how could there be people out there yes and you saw like you remember right after the right after the 2016 election the new york times did like they they had this big push where they're going to go out to the heartland and it's hysterical it's like if you remember those those videos of like

british explorers contacting the uncontacted tribes like in the brazilian rain what's the name of the guy who does those david attenborough yeah david it's like it's like they are they are david attenborough and they're like yeah they're a wild trump supporter exactly leaning his ford f-150 exactly exactly and like in reality they're like at a bar in pittsburgh and they're like do they have running water here i don't know this is so bizarre and it's like and it's true like it's and it's it's easy i think for for most normal people to laugh at but they're like, oh, do they have running water here? I don't know. This is so bizarre. And it's true. And it's easy, I think, for most normal people to laugh at. But they're just so, it's a community of people who are really unbelievably insular. And even their closest concentric circles going outward are also very, very insular.

And so when they think of a Trump voter, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess I do have that one racist uncle with a big Trump sign in his yard. I'm like, that's it. That's all they can conceptualize and so it becomes really easy to paint people within those narratives they've never been to a suburb this really reminds me of what um the author of the hunger games is talking about when she talked about the capital oh yes very much talking about favorite books i will exactly i know i love that i would say you know you know i freaking love them and and she talks about the elites and the people who

while other people were starving, she would talk about how they would have to make themselves show up so they could eat more. Yes. I love that. Drink this. Yeah. Why? It'll make you throw up so you can eat more.

You can eat more. Yeah. Like, who among us hasn't had a job in a meeting? Exactly. Those of us who actually care about work. Who among us has dyed our hair green while the city is being bombed to rubble? I mean, it's happening all the time in the capital. Don't you remember?

I remember when I first set foot in a news office, a digital blog. So when I was 18, I got a job with American Eagle Airlines. I was loading baggage into planes, lifting between 30 and 50,000 pounds per day, doing manual labor, getting calluses and all that and getting paid 10 bucks an hour. And I was lucky to take home a couple hundred bucks every other week or whatever, pay my bills. And it was a struggle. I wasn't making enough to cover rent. It was really tough.

And then I ended up getting a job and slowly started making my way through life, doing better and better. Then I went to Occupy Wall Street. I got some notoriety. And eventually, I got interest from a company and said, we want to hire you to come into our newsroom and i said okay and i remember the first time i stepped foot in that newsroom and i saw these people literally doing nothing and i said how much do these people make and they're like you know it was vice to be honest so not a whole lot people were getting maybe like 35 to 50 depending on the job they were doing and i was

like wait wait wait wait 35 000 a year to do what well he writes about uh uh you know he writes like snarky articles about like doing drugs and like having sex and i was like wait wait wait wait wait wait like you got a guy who comes in whenever he wants sometimes doesn't even come in right who publishes a couple articles per week or whatever from other people who submit them, and he's getting paid double what I got doing backbreaking labor. Amazing. Hurts a little bit.

These people in these ivory tower jobs get paid double or triple what actual working class people do, what actual working class people get paid, and they write garbage nonsense. And the best part many of them write about like communism like teen vogue didn't teen vogue just call for abolishing capitalism or something teen vogue weirdly has taken like this kind of like like 1970s central america view on economics and how it works which is like it's my understanding like the reason teen is in the title of it is that it's, it's for children, right? It is very bizarre. Like they,

they, they had like a, they had like a, a glossy piece on Antifa and what they're really going for. They had the anti-capitalism piece. It's the, the member of the pro Marx when they did. Yeah.

It was so amazing. It was like on his birthday or something. Teen Vogue was like Karl Marx and like praising him. And I'm like, this is hilarious, dude. But it's, it's funny to us,

but it's actually kind of scary if you think about it. Yeah you've got some dumb 14 year old being like kyle marx is so cool he like he wants to seize the means of production that's like the coolest right and you remember how impressionable you were 14 like dude i would believe to anything at 14 and like all and this is i think why rightly conservatives have really started to wake up of of late to the the risk and the danger of government schools and like the sorts of things that kids learn day in and day out because you're you're up taking that stuff super casually it's flow and it's you're taking it up as history or science or math or whatever it is and you just think that it's true in the same way that if you're a 13 year old kid you

pop open teen vogue and in between like how to do your hair and like how to put on makeup or whatever you have this glowing piece on carl marx and the benefits of seizing the means of production you ever read it goes up with it you ever read cosmo oh of course like how it's like it tells you to do really awful things that no one likes it's like with when you're in your bed with your boyfriend try using a steak knife yeah what what are you writing this but that's it's it's i bring that up because i think teen vogue definitely and publications like it got uh indoctrinated in a sense where they hired people who had these weird views who then tried pushing this politics. But I also think it's algorithmic. It's the kind of content that feeds into preconceptions and will generate clicks, generate controversy.

Of course, we're talking about them now. Yeah. So that's good. And the haters who like Karl Marx and communism are going to be like, I i'm gonna go check out teen vogue and maybe i'll enjoy it yeah exactly and it's gonna come across the radars of other people because i don't know someone like you or i retweets it and i'm like look how dumb this is and all that matters to them is they're they're getting the views they're getting the eyeballs we're getting the ad dollars you know the way i view the media is like we're in this big pool of water and there's a maelstrom that they've all been sucked into where they're

spinning around in circles feeding each other bs yeah and we're watching them go crazy we're over here like what are they doing these poor people are trapped in the psychotic paranoid delusional world of russia and this other you know whacking off on camera or something like it's a normal thing yeah they're separated from the rest of us yeah and you know i have to go back to this example if you've listened to my content you've probably heard me bring up several times but it's the best possible example ever of how trump knows this and trump manipulates this and trump knows the regular people better than these media companies do do you remember in the in the first 2015-16 cycle when trump had a very expensive steak cooked well done with ketchup yes oh my god

and what was the media's response? They mocked him. They belittled him. They laughed at him. What kind of dry aged steak? Uncultured. Uncultured. And then I can just imagine what it must have been like for my family when we were getting those dollar T-bones that were garbage from Walmart.

And so we cooked them through and slapped ketchup on them because we couldn't afford anything else. To be one of those working class people who's making half your, your, your, your 45, you got a family and you make half the amount of money as some, some college grad, you know, writing about Brad Pitt's junk. And then they start insulting you and your family saying, ha ha, you moron eating your garbage steak with ketchup. You're pathetic. And you're like that that guy up there he eats the kind of steak i do these people were writing in the news they just think they're better than me yeah that was it for a lot of people and then you see the lies so you like

trump really i don't know if it was on purpose or trump just likes eating steak with ketchup yeah that's the thing it doesn't even at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether it's true or not right all that all that matters is that people believe a certain thing to be true a whole bunch of people like every other excuse they take they jump down trump's throat for it and all he has to do is step back and let them like you know let the circling firing squad shoot itself out of bullets and he knows it will happen he always knows that it will happen you heard how he walked out on 60 minutes right yes i think he did that on purpose i think a hundred percent he planned it in advance i'm willing to bet i'm shocked i saw someone tweeted about this too but i'm shocked it didn't happen earlier right this it's interesting that this

isn't a card he has played sooner but like of course he has like he's been very clear about what he thinks the media looks like and when he says it it is very relatable to lots and lots of people so think about this you're right it's it's almost surprising, in my opinion, that he didn't do it sooner. No, he was waiting for just before the election to make a big play. Also, think about this. He tweeted that he wanted to release the footage. Right. So anyway, let me back up.

For those that aren't familiar, there was a 60 minutes interview. CBS Leslie Stahl was going to interview Trump. 45 minutes in, he storms out, complains about the journalist not wearing a mask. Preemptive strike. Oh, 100%. so that way they wouldn't say so anything about covid it's he's he said it about them first yeah then he said i in the interest of like transparency will release this footage so that people can know wait he was filming it trump went into that interview with his people filming the 60 minutes interview he planned the whole thing that's gonna be awesome yeah we'll see people don't realize that 60 minutes in these traditional news programs edit and i love seeing the unedited versions when they when you do get

some undercover camera yeah i don't know was it undercover he filmed it he's gonna really he said he'll publish it he should and and this is the thing too i think one of the things like you know everyone in the business i'm sure would sit there and be like, oh, I can't believe you do that. It's so unethical. But to an everyday person, they're like, well, why don't you just run the unedited thing? I think it gets back to a lot of what Trump ends up doing, where if this scares you, if what happened and the full accounting of what happened is something that you don't want to hear, why is that the case? And what does it say about you that you are so determined to edit these sorts of things to fit a certain narrative because i think every people

are going to look back and be like well why wouldn't they just play everything that t said why wouldn't they just run this whole thing through you know what's crazy is that people don't realize compared to where we are now in terms of long-form podcasting every single interview that wasn't live ever was edited out of context. Yes. But the thing was there was acceptable out of context moments for a lot of people. So I remember when I worked for Vice and many other companies, you would be like, we have a 15-minute slot, which means it's actually going to be like 12 and a half or whatever. So you would do an interview with someone that would be 45 minutes, and then here's what happens.

You'll say something like, when was the last time you baked a batch of chocolate chip cookies and the response would be something like wow well you know my mom used to bake cookies like that well for me you know there's this place i really love that has this great uh they've got all the good ingredients but for me it's been about a week since i baked cookies they'll cut out the whole part about my mom made cookies and i love to go to this boutique shop because they don't feel it's irrelevant. They wanted your answer on how – their question was when was the last time. So they cut out the conversational context that might be really important to someone. Now, back in the day, most people would be like, I don't really care.

They cut out the part where I mentioned that my mom used to make cookies. But it's still changing the context in a certain way. So 60 Minutes might try to be honest, but they do condense and remove very important points. Notably, you might have a moment where Trump has asked a question, takes him 15 seconds to answer. They'll cut that right out because it's like a waste of time. We can't have dead air.

Right. But if you watch that, you might be like, whoa, dude can't answer the question. Yeah. This is taking him a long time. Or maybe he like looks over at Kayleigh McEnany or something. Those things get cut out. Yeah. And so that might be bad for Trump. That's just an example. They probably do it the question. Yeah. This is taking him a long time. Right. Or maybe he like looks over at Kayleigh McEnany or something. Those things get cut out. Yeah. And so that might be bad for Trump.

That's just an example. They probably do it for Biden. Yeah. 60 Minute condenses this for a show like everybody else. They'll probably say, no, no, our standards is this and this. But I think about why is it so many people wanted, you know, a debate on Joe Rogan? Right. Because that would be raw and real.

And you'd have just this straightforward conversation go for it you know i would do if i was debating if i was moderating a debate between the joe biden trump what late uh you know former vice president biden and president trump the topic is foreign policy have at it and then i'd get up and walk away i want to see them have a conversation right i want trump to talk to biden not to us right i want biden talk to trump not to us i want to see them have a conversation. Right. I want Trump to talk to Biden, not to us. Right. I want Biden to talk to Trump, not to us. I want to hear Biden say, no, look, man, you know, when you you you're over there and you're doing this, you're cutting us out of these deals in the Paris Agreement. And then I want Trump to be like, no, you're nuts.

What you know about? I want to hear that. Yeah. I want to hear them talk to each other. We don't get that. Here's the thing. Most people do, too. And I think this again, this is what helped Trump get elected in the first place was he

looked at the American people and said, hey, you know what? For a really long time, different people in politics, right and left in the media have been keeping something important from you. And I'm going to be here. We talked about this last time, a bull in a china shop to come through and just give you everything. Knock down all the walls, knock down everything. And it's going to be raw. It's going to be unpleasant and cringeworthy sometimes. But it's going to be about as close to the truth as a good approximation is going to be able to get.

And so I think that's why when he says, I'm just going to air the clip, I'm just going to play it. This is what happened. You're going to see it. It's the sort of thing where a lot of people, particularly a lot of people who aren't super tapped into the media or super tapped into the news or super tapped into politics are like, wow, yeah, like I've kind of got this perception that I've been lied to and kind of bamboozled here for a long time. And even if the truth isn't pretty, I would really like to see that. Do you remember when Trump did that interview, sit-down interview with Chris Wallace at the White House? Yes. And everybody said it was bad for Trump and he looked terrible.

I think they're wrong. I think that's the pundit class sitting in their – sitting on their Zoom meetings, whacking off to each other with the camera muted. And they don't realize that Trump had a long, long form sit down conversation where he was willing to do it. Right. And the fact that he was willing to do it probably is so refreshing to so many people that Trump could be sitting there in a two hour long conversation. This is what his rallies are about.

Right. He doesn't have a script. He just starts talking. And so people finally feel like, you know, let me stop. You know what I can't stand more than anything? I worked for an environmental nonprofit when the Deepwater Horizon disaster happened in the Gulf. All that oil spilled. And I remember when it happened, I was like, I know what's going to happen.

They're going to offer up an excuse. They're going to apologize, say it won't happen again. They're going to donate to a nonprofit. It's going to be the typical canned response. And we're never going to hear the truth about what really happened or why. Their PR company is crafting the plastic message to say that everyone expects it's not real. The politicians do it all the time. I guarantee you if Eric Swalwell farts on camera, he'll deny it.

He won't own up to it. It will be fake. We know you farted, dude. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Listen, you just got to be like, yeah, people fart. It was a mug. it was a mug in studio yeah oh yeah it's like of course just be real but here's i think a big part of it is

there are a lot of people in media who would see something like that but the trump sit down interview with matthews and they'd be like wow back when i was on the hill back when i was prepping someone to go in an interview that would be a disaster right and it does it's got nothing to do with the content it's got nothing to do with what he says and whether or not any of it made sense it's i would never want my boss to be unscripted i used to work on the hill this is what you do so much of your job is making sure that your maybe crazy boss doesn't go off script because you've got an entire team of people who spend all day developing and designing scripts for what they do and what they say and how that whole narrative flows together trump to his i mean sometimes definitely not to his credit but even as someone like me who's

not wild about the guy can admit to his credit he doesn't have that and so it's very obviously even when it's not good it's very obviously real in a way that so many people understand politicians to not be like that the media is becoming a hyper concentrated extract of that plastic reality yeah it was bad enough when a politician would you know fart and be like that was not a fart on camera that was a mug in studio and you'd be like okay dude we get it you do your pr message i don't know who buys it but now it's like we have these two extremes where trump is just this raw guy who says really bombastic things very often but but you know know, it can be refreshing.

And then you have the media that is so insanely fake. It's, like, ridiculous. When you turn it on, they're like, today Russia killed, you know, a bunch of innocent children because Russia is evil. And you're like, dude, shut up. It's because their client, Hillary Clinton, was committing white-collar crimes, and they don't want to look at it. And ever since 2016, when her emails dropped and she's acid washed 30,000 emails, destroyed federal property. The media has turned a blind eye and they're going insane as a result. And now they're doing it again with Biden. Yeah, maybe that's that's why they don't.

It's why they let comedians that don't target them like you were saying they they're soft comedians that won't they know they're safe because they know they've got that like that fear of being found out because they've been backing a fraud yeah could this all be they're terrified that hillary clinton broke serious laws with these emails and whatever the emails reveal and so they're doing everything in the power to stop trump because if trump got a clean shot at investigation i think so like didn't the Durham probe actually dip into the Clinton email scandal I think they did yeah it sounds right and now I wonder you know Bill Barr said the Durham probe is not going to be resolved before the election right I wonder if that is a play to say if we don't win the Democrats are gonna are gonna end the investigation so if you want the investigation to carry on you better get Trump a victory maybe but i just my worry on something like that is i think there's probably too much

inside politics right i i don't know that i don't know that you can actually run on that in good faith i don't know i don't know what's going to come out from the group i'm definitely interested in hearing about it um i i wish selfishly like as someone who i think would like to have more answers rather than fewer to what's going on in the world it would be really helpful to have that going into the 2016 election for everyone. But I don't know. At the end of the day, I think that with the Durham probe, with the comedians, with most people, I try and look with a little bit less malice, maybe wrongly. But to look at it and say, hey, you know what?

It's probably what I think it has to do with is a whole lot of people who see the world in a pretty monochromatic way and all like all the people who work at cnn a lot of the people who work at the fbi unfortunately uh most people who work in democratic politics they have a certain way of viewing the world and in simpler times it was necessarily bad it was just different right and now there's there's a little bit of they're all in terms of the chicken running around with their head cut off they're all obviously very worked up and very concerned they have been since trump Trump happened. And to me a little bit, it's like, imagine watching a silent disco where you're the only one without headphones

on and you have no idea what a silent disco is. It's probably very weird and very like very confusing and a little bit concerning, right? You see all these people gyrating and moving around to a tune that you can't hear. And I think for people like us, that's kind of what it is.

And that we end up seeing, we see the, we see the dance that they're doing. It's admittedly weird and it's all in lockstep, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily I'm not sure it's that dark. Whether or not they were able to remove Trump, their intention, they've succeeded in their goal of obstructing him to a ridiculous degree. As soon as before Trump was even inaugurated, they were screaming Russia. When the Russia investigation started, investigation started, even during it, I was wondering, what's the point of all of this? You know, if it's just, you know, I entertained it for a while in the beginning. And I was like, if there's something here, then, you know, we'll figure out what it is.

It's really important. And when it became clear there was nothing, the question was like, what are they doing? And then I thought, you know what Trump can't do right now? He can't fire these people. Right. He can't fire these people. Right. He can't fire them because they'll call it obstruction of justice. Like what happened with Comey. Exactly. So they froze him for three years. Basically, he could not do a ton of what he wanted to do and get rid of these bureaucrats.

Then as soon as he gets through that, Ukraine, same thing starts. They would not give him a chance to make any moves. And he started getting rid of some of these people and, you know, making some changes. Now, I really wonder if he's going to win again because they cannot give him a clean four years. So I'm wondering how how insane if the Senate flips Democrat. Yeah, it doesn't matter if Trump wins. I'll impeach him. Gone, gone.

They're going to pack the courts. The Republicans will never win again. That'll be it. One party rule. Yeah. It doesn't matter if Trump wins. Oh, great. I'll impeach him. Gone. Gone. They're going to pack the courts. The Republicans will never win again. That'll be it. One party rule. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, I think you're probably right. I don't know. I'm I guess I have a little bit more optimism, a little more hope in the American people

that the packing the courts thing will be tough. I think my worry. I don't know. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's not it's a gut thing. It's not it's not a thinking thing. But I think my biggest concern with it is that this whole – if Biden wins, particularly if the Senate flips, particularly assuming the Dems probably pick up more seats in the House, all of this goes right back down the memory hole. Everything that happened, the three years that Trump and his administration spent having a battle against what turned out to be a lie, right, and something that was deliberately malicious, all of that work gets erased. All of it goes back on fire, and we never touch it again, right?

Like, we're going to write the history books one day, and that'll be an afterthought. And to me, as someone who, like, I didn't just entertain it. I bought, I had a piece up in the Federalist not too long ago where I talked about, like, I bought this. I bought it pretty hard. I was a never Trump guy. I came into it, and I was like, of course he did, right? It fit my narrative that he would do something awful and terrible.

And so I bought it, hook was like, of course he did. Right. It fit my narrative that he would do something awful and terrible. And so I bought it hook, line and sinker. And my worry is there are a lot of other people who haven't snapped out of that yet. And if, if Dems take everything in 2020, no one else is snapping out of it. It's going to be Russia becomes canon. If the Democrats win, the history books will say for a brief period, Russia controlled the united states right it'll just be fact but that's literally what they wrote like this i know i think we we sometimes forget i certainly forget i end up like checking my tweets from two years ago or four years ago whatever it was like jonathan chait for new york mag literally wrote what if donald trump has been a russian

asset since 1987 and then he didn't get left out of the room you know the best part about that insinuation is? What? The Soviet Union is secretly still in existence. Right. Or this is how smart they are, that they're still behind the curtain, right? Right, right, right. It's insane.

And the best part was what should have happened under normal times, one, his editor probably would have looked at that and be like, don't let this anywhere near my esteemed magazine. I don't want your conspiratorial claptrap anywhere near this. Seriously. One, two, even if it got to print right even if let's say there's like there's there's a problem with new york mag or whatever it is and they run with this thing and they let it go at least he would get laughed out of the room chris hayes had him on his show plenty of people had him on their shows politico and other magazines were re-upping this and reiterating a year later john harwood came out and be like this is an important this is an important day in history because a year ago, Chait's article came out. And it's it's absurd.

And I think we forget that because now, at least up until recently, the Russia stuff was gone. They didn't even talk about it. The DNC Adam Schiff brought it back, baby. Come on. I love how this this email comes out and they're like, it is definitively Russian intelligence operations, and then Adam Schiff, and all the people are immediately just like, well, one person said it, therefore it's officially historically true, and we're going to say it a million times. And once again, we find ourselves back.

You know what I'm going to say? Doesn't this all seem familiar? No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. What happened in September of 2016? Emails. Yeah.

What happened with a laptop in September of 2016? Good point. Anthony Weiner. FBI, yeah. FBI and Anthony Weiner. And what images did they find on his laptop? Underage messages or something. Yeah.

What narrative was emerging against Trump? Russia. I tell you, man, the writers of 2020 are bored. They've run out of ideas they're like can we just do like a like a total can we do a duo you know it is to do over it's a total do over honestly what if that's what it is a total do over and they're like

this time we're gonna do everything the exact same but this time Trump loses right we're gonna flip we're gonna flip we're gonna flip who we're gonna flip the the people that we believe and we're gonna flip who wins the election it's just I think what gets me and this is why it keeps happening and the reason it feels so familiar is there was no accountability we never had any accountability right even now looking back we can know that these things were wrong they were malicious they were lies all of these

people still have jobs none of like none of these people have lost the columns that they have right like unless they're you know revealing themselves on Zoom these days, it is impossible for these guys to lose their job or face any sort of professional repercussions. So why wouldn't it happen again? Why wouldn't they jump at the next quickest, easiest thing that might look like Russian disinformation to one unnamed source at the FBI maybe that you didn't vet anyway? You know the secret of media? If you write a shocking and bombastic fake news article like it's a million views you make money if you then retract it you make more money on the retraction although the retraction makes you substantially less you still put ads on the retraction page yeah so these people

know if they put out fake news they still get paid and so they're incentivized the economic incentive is to pump out fake news and i love it when journalists go like well i take issue with that there's no real reason for journalists to to lie that way well maybe real journalists but today you just have people desperate for followers on twitter yeah so they're they're all posting the same jokes they're all posting this like you know what's interesting is that these journalists live in new york so they're surrounded by progressive activists right they want to fit in with the cool kids so they just say whatever it is the cool kids say now the journalists are just losers trying desperately to pander to the popular you know influencer or whatever journalists should not

try to be influencers yes but they're trying to be so we're politicians of course right but i worry too i agree they definitely are but this this to me also gets back a little bit to the emails thing where when Dems like when when Adam Schiff and Chris Murphy get up there and say, oh, this is Russian disinformation. There's a part of me that's like, OK, like they're they're they're political hacks. This is what's going to happen. I think it's a lot a lot worse. And once upon a time, I think we all held a much higher bar for journalists and reporters to do that. It's one thing when you've got a lefty politician who runs in and says, I want to fit in with the cool progressive kids at that trendy bar in Brooklyn. And it's another when you have someone whose sole occupation it is to bring you something that should be a good approximation of the truth, right? The first rough draft of history

is what's in the hands of the media. And so when they're the ones who are crafting that narrative and they're chasing the retweet-if-you-agree types of retweets for progressives, it's so much more corrosive, I i think to our body politic when they do that because the power and the influence that they have to be able to pull in other people who aren't necessarily partisans is a lot more dramatic and so to me someone like like yamiche is way more dangerous and damaging

yamiche alcindor yeah yeah explain oh sorry yeah yemi shalsidor she's the the i think she's the what the the chief dc correspondent for npr who is someone who gets paid an enormous amount of money to be very popular on twitter and to largely be indistinguishable from any progressive activists who you could imagine but what happens is when you have people who are progressive activists who are masquerading as someone who is meant to bring you the truth i think that corrosive influence is way way more difficult to the rest of us than a democrat doing it i just want everybody to realize for two seconds ask yourself how much money do you make doing your job now i want you to go to glassdoor.com and look up writer at buzzfeed

and vox and vice suppress and then when your boils, channel that energy into a pot of tea and boil that water and pour yourself an ice glass and sit back and relax and just realize what this world really is. Yeah. Do it tomorrow morning, actually. Don't do it before bed. You'll get really wound up. I agree that journalism's doing that is nasty, but I hate lying under oath.

When politicians lie under oath or people in our government lie under oath, like James Clapper saying that they were not wittingly spying on the U.S. people. Oh, totally. And they let him off and he hasn't been punished for lying under oath, for committing perjury. No justice. That's the justice system in the United States. So if we're not adhering to the justice system, they're going to keep breaking the law. Bro, it's a big club and you ain't in it. I think I am in it.

These people are allowed to break the law. Let me in. What do you mean? Why are they allowed to break the law? law yeah oh it's a big club and you ain't in it i i think these people these people no these people are allowed to break the law you're not let me in what do you mean how why are they allowed to break the law because the big club and you ain't in it buddy that's just a mockery of the system of course but they're they're above the law so we have the best system even though it's terrible we have problems because for too long the american people have went i'm just gonna click d or r and walk away and not have any idea who i'm voting for and you end up with 30 year pelosi and 30 year schumer and 47 year biden and they don't care about you george carlin man that's the guy i grew up listening to they don't care about

you they're millionaire cocksuckers who don't care about you that's that's what he said yeah yeah and he's right and like they don't cia people 40 years how long has brennan been in the ever ever and that's that's the thing too like even if even if you want to look at it and like the people who go into politics for the right reason or whatever which to be clear very very few i would imagine do this like on the whole as someone who lives in rand ball yeah exactly it's like the only guy as someone who lives in dc it does seem like there's there's a certain set of personality characteristics that tends to draw someone to politics, and most of them aren't good things. But even if you want to take the best of intentions for a lot of these people, year one, year two, fine. 30 years in, 40 years in, you know you've got a new book you've got to write every year that will make you a couple hundred grand.

And you've got TV shows and you've got people to not piss off. And so that's what's happening. And you're right. It's no different, unfortunately, in so many different, you know, the wide and sprawling bureaucracy, be it within intelligence or otherwise. It's the same thing. It's the same people. It's the same jaded sorts of personalities who have been here

forever and have no interest in changing or learning a new set of rules. And right now, they're benefiting from all the rules. Didn't used to be... Was it like that in the beginning? I don't know. I mean, I wasn't around. I assume you guys weren't around 200 years ago.

They didn't have term limits, though, back then. You were. You were. Oh, definitely, yeah. Vampire. So walking the earth for 800 years. In 1790, they didn't have term limits ever, right? Congresspeople could just...

Well, this was the beauty of it, right? So once upon a time... They don't have term limits now. No, I know. Once upon a time, it was... I think this was back before it was a particularly lucrative career to be in politics, right? And so I think part of the problem is you've got people who – there are plenty of people who are lobbyists or otherwise connected to the DC ecosystem who get paid lots and lots of money to be former politicians or to be former staffers or whatever it is and so once upon a time it wasn't a particularly sexy or or desirable sort of job and occupation to have it certainly didn't pay the bills and now it's become something that is a producer of wealth and power and

influence and so people the people who are looking for those three things are drawn to it like a moth to the flame when uh when these people get into congress if they lose or they leave, they still retain access, security, like access to the Hill and stuff like that, making it very, very easy for them to be lobbyists. So that's why it was actually AOC and Ted Cruz, I think, both were teaming up on a bill to kind of shut down this politician to lobbyist pipeline. I don't know if they were successful on it, but my respect to both of them for working on that. I think AOC is interesting because she is an influencer. And I feel like she's using her position to become famous. And I feel like she's personally more interested in fame than she is the office. With that being said, I can definitely give her tremendous praise and credit for working with Ted Cruz on a couple of things, notably that one in particular.

And I think term limits too was part of it. Yeah, that sounds right. So look, I can be critical, too, was part of it. Yeah, that sounds right. So, look, I can be critical of somebody, but I definitely want to give respect in that regard. I hope we get to some point, figure out how to stop these. The issue is that they found a way to make money. Right. To become wealthy off being in office. And so anything we can do to end that pipeline where you become a politician and then immediately get access to being to being wealthy that's a serious problem we can cut their salaries no but even then

it's a solution what the heck but even if we cut their salary it's only 174 for congress yeah like it doesn't need to be their full-time job they we're how many times they meet a week like twice or three times a week and they could do it remotely it could be me doing it remotely there's there's so much that has to go into, they're supposed to be doing work in their communities, helping people, and then representing them to the federal government. Some of these people don't do that,

but you got to understand a lot of the rank and file, you know, people in Congress, they do. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's what, half of Congress are super wealthy? Something like that? Yeah, I mean, I think some of it just depends on how you call super wealthy, right?

You have to be fabulously wealthy to run for office these days. That's an enormous expense. You also, like, if you are a normal person who can't just, like, leave their job for an extended period of time to go have a dalliance with running for office, then it's tough. But, yeah, I think you make a good point. a lot of people a lot of people who who tend to get re-elected particularly people in their first i don't know call it eight to ten years they get re-elected because the people who they come into contact with see them as actually fighting for their communities whether or not that's true i think there are a lot of people who are good at making it seem like that's the case um and so a lot of the good ones right and i do think that there are good ones are are doing that they're

pounding the pavement back home they're they're collecting signatures whatever the hell it is but there are so many people who don't have to do that nancy pelosi mitch mcconnell like people on are doing that. They're pounding the pavement back home. They're collecting signatures, whatever the hell it is. But there are so many people who don't have to do that. Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, like people on our side too, like they don't have to do that. Everyone knows who they are. They don't have to keep working so hard.

And so to me, the bigger issue is when you've got someone like a Ted Kennedy who's been in office their entire life and everyone knows who they are and likes who they think they might be, then they can coast and then they can skate. How does Nancy Pelosi keep winning?

It's not just her, but I mean, Mitch McConnellnell too i'm not a fan of either of these parties i find them all to be the the only reason the republican party in my opinion gets any kind of past this point is because trump took a sledgehammer to the republican party and he and he chased out a bunch of the the crony politicians who like what several dozen have retired many others are just like pathetically trying to maintain some kind of semblance of actually caring about the american people right yeah and i mean i think for for a lot of them it really did upset the apple cart they they had an idea of what they needed to do to get by and skate by in congress they had an idea of how the system worked they knew who the the good guys were and the bad guys knew they had to play

off and placate and for for so long they got so it was so easy and so comfortable to be able to do that and the idea like i think one of the things getting back to your question about you know the founding of this country the idea of a career politician someone who's going to spend their entire life running for office and holding office and running for office again and holding office again that didn't exist you had people who were part-time farmers or part-time whatever and they would come in and they i don't know they take their horse to dc or whatever it was and then they go back home and it was a lot it was a lot easier and so now you have people who like this is their life this is their lifestyle in a way that's

the system was never designed to do something like this and it's it's even more poorly designed today because of the amount of money so we need to redesign it i think term limits are essential congressional term limits maybe but the challenge is that in Congress, getting on committees and leading committees requires seniority. So this is all part of the problem. That's fine. You can learn that in two months. I think that's an excuse they use. But it's because of the way the hierarchies

are ordered. People who are more senior are put on individual committees based on their seniority. Maybe we get rid of it. I think if you want to have a system change, there's a lot more tearing down that needs to happen definitely just turn levels you've really got i can pull back a lot of the layers think about something like this like you and your friends are all hanging out and you're like we need to figure out who's going to be the person to go pick up the beer and then you're like okay who's doing it someone first has to volunteer to

be you know i'll go get the beer like do we guys do you guys want james to do it all right james it's all you yeah that's kind of what it used to be like you know you'd have this community of like back in the day probably a couple thousand people if that's somewhere it's probably even less and they'd be like who wants to go down there and tell them what we're doing and it would be like hey bill will you go down there and tell them that we're growing corn and stuff like okay and he would go down and be like yo so we're you know we're growing corn we got a bunch of people it's really great here's what we need from you guys you know because we got banditos coming by and so you know we need someone to come by and it was really like personal personal and personable now it's like there's too many people like uh have you ever seen one of the

the original drafts of the bill of rights where like one of the first amendments was the limit on how many uh people a congressperson could represent oh yeah it would have been it would have been 50 000 people right per congressperson and what that means is today we'd have i think what like 6 000 people in congress instead we have 435 yeah because we now now one person represents 700 000 it's impossible so so it right so look at look at ocasio-cortez's district she ends up winning again even though she's not good if you look at her record i understand she's she's a she's a freshman with an she's she's limited experience and an understanding of the political space and and the world but she didn't even do anything like the bills she

co-sponsored was like renaming a post office yeah exactly and and all she's she's she's been really really good at making herself a celebrity right Right. Getting 400,000 concurrent viewers on Twitch playing Among Us. Right. Celebrity. And hey, more power to her. Congratulations. She's really good at playing that game. But when it comes to politics, she hasn't done anything.

Other than botching the Green New Deal and talking about farting cows, she's really good at generating negative press for the party. You would think anyone who was a Democrat would be like Michelle Caruso Cabrera was way better because she was competent, mature, and understood how the system worked. But they just wanted celebrity. We got a lot of problems with how our system works. And right now, one of the issues is if you're someone who knows how to play to media, you win. Exactly.

And one of the things she's done with her staff, too, is she's invested very heavily in the comms function rather than investing in, like, traditionally, like, you'll have a number of of las and a number of people in your office who run policy but if all you're trying to do is score retweets and score positive articles and build you know the best relationships you can with the editors at vanity fair so you can get a new puff piece every couple of months then you're going to allocate the amount of money that they all get to staff their offices and throw all of it to comps and throw all of it to digital and find a way to make sure that you are getting the positive supportive stories that you need they're good keep you in the public's attention in the public eye and keep building that celebrity status and that rock star status that she's been able to do what has she done for us nothing what has plosy done for us what has any of these people done for

us grandpa grandpa's cool that guy i like yeah i know he's the only person right there's a couple people you know maybe we're just expecting too much from these people. 400 people. There's like 350 million of us. 328. Yeah. 435 in Congress, 100 senators. No, no, no.

I disagree. I disagree, Ian. I think that these people were hired to do a job that they're not doing. They're failing. I think they need to be fired. I think we need to start again. And I don't know how to do that. And I think that he's right. I think that Drew is right. I think that we need to come up with a solution to actually fix it. There are many

layers that we could go into. We could go into term limits. That's the easiest thing to go off of. That's definitely not the only thing. So we should look at what it takes to fix this system. I'm not confident term limits solve the problem either. You know why? No, it doesn't. That's what I'm saying. Because what will happen is you'll have some dude who's like, okay, I'm funding person A for this first run. Then once their run is expired, I have person B training and being ready to go. And they all work for me.

So what do you, I mean, it's probably that way and still, it's probably still that way for a lot of special interests. Definitely donors, special interests and stuff. I don't know how you solve the problem i do think there's a solution to how we do better but i i don't know what it is and i i i'll just say this i want to stress that i think aoc um and and to a certain degree trump but trump certainly has a better understanding of how economics and trade functions but this this element of press mogul politicians is a problem for us right i think aoc is a bigger problem because she has no experience and no understanding and she does hasn't like there's a lot of things trump has done whether

you like it or don't like it he's done a lot of things the economy was really really great aoc has done nothing she's renamed like i think a couple post offices and other than that it's been nothing it's been puff pieces and fluff and and gestures that's made her famous now nine point something million followers on twitter for what and they re-elect to her right and i think even worse you will get generations more of aocs right nobody i don't think anyone in their right mind would want to be trump right now so whatever else you think of the guy i don't think his his situation in his position is enviable uh and certainly he's probably not living the sort of carefree and easy life he probably led 10 or 15 years ago but what you're going to end up i think

what you're going to see and unfortunately i think you're going to start seeing it on the right too and no different than on the left is you're going to see a whole bunch of people who are probably in their teens and 20s now who want to be aoc the next cycle or the cycle after that or cycles down the road and so you're going to end up with a whole bunch of new a new crop of politicians who want nothing other than the star power. And right now, the way the incentives are aligned, they're going to get the followers. They're going to get the money. They're going to write books.

They're going to sell out. They're going to they're going to be on all the podcasts and the TV shows and everything else. And so all of their incentives will be met. And the only person who's getting the short end on that deal is the American people who elected all of these people to lead them. Now, all of that operates under the assumption that from where we are now, there's no dramatic and immediate escalations. That's a good particularly following November 3rd. So assuming that what we see we get increments of i agree with you we'll end up with a bunch a bunch more social media

influencer types who don't really do anything other than like yo look at my selfie i'm on instagram vote for me and then people do because they're on twitch yeah they're gonna do it but uh i think social media is driving a hyper polarization which is going to result in serious unrest and strife there was a story that I talked about earlier today, the NYPD has been training every day for election day unrest. So everybody's kind of expecting this to reach some kind of boiling point. So I guess, you know, in that regard, I wonder what your thoughts are. Yeah. And where, you know, I go back and forth with a few buddies of mine. So most of my friends are pretty left leaning. And I think one of the things that we always come back

to is how does the fever break, right? Like right now, I think we can all agree, whether it's chicken with head cut off or whatever metaphor you want to use, we're at a point where it's not tenable. And it, there doesn't seem to me to be a good, easy way to back down from the sort of abyss that we're staring into and have us come to a more peaceful understanding of our differences and the way we all work and what have you. So I do worry. I think where I net out to and where I always fall out to in these conversations is I'm worried that there probably will be violence before it gets better.

It will continue to get worse before it gets better. And at some point, there's going to be nothing but violence. And I hope that I'm wrong, right? I sound a little bit, and I get that I sound a little bit like an extremist and a little off my rocker when I say that I think that's going to be the case. But I guess I just don't know how else we continue to move forward at the pace we're at at the increasing kind of it's like the music keeps getting faster and faster and there's no one there to shut off the music i think what happens when

we're all running into each other headlong i think people are scared to admit that there's going to be violence yeah it's it's it's people are scared to say it because of their optimism bias i think people are scared to say it because of their optimism bias. I think people are scared to make predictions based on how they feel because they're scared of being wrong. I don't care.

I'll tell you how I feel. I think Trump's going to win. I'm not entirely sure about the Senate or the House. I could be wrong. I don't know for sure. I just have a feeling based on the tightening of the polls

and the voter registration gap. It looked really good for Trump and Republicans. We'll see how it plays out. I think there's going to be a wave of a massive wave of violence particularly from the left i believe that may coax out a right-wing response of some sort not entirely sure but i i talked to a lot of people and they're like i don't think so and i'm like a guy walked up to some trump

supporter put two bolts in his chest right and then antifa cheered for it a security guard in denver shot a trump supporter in the face and then they cheered for it right like this stuff isn't slowing down it's speeding up exactly and so how and i think what i struggle with is i don't know a way where it slows down exactly and so at some point you got to assume that it bubbles over and you're right i think it's i think it's very very difficult for americans who you know none of us have been alive for 150 years we've never really seen anything like this and so one of the models that i think is more helpful to look at rather than like a U.S. Civil War or what have you is something like the Troubles in Ireland. Where you have two different sort of factions of people who – like it gets more and more tense and more and more frustrated.

And at some point, people start shooting. Have you ever been to Belfast? Yeah, I have. Have you seen the Peace Wall? Yeah. Did you look at the weird graffiti on each side of it? So this is really interesting for people who aren't familiar. So this is, do you want to explain the troubles

a little bit? Yeah, so in Ireland, there's a tenuous relationship between the Irish and the English for a long time, dating back to the first British occupation was in, what, like 1099, something like that, way in the early aughts. And so eventually, after years and years of strife, centuries of strife uh it hit a boiling point when what is now ireland the republic of ireland

seceded um from from what was then england what's now the uk to become their own sovereign country um and then we're left with northern ireland which had about a 50 50 split i think at the time of catholics and protestants there was a lot of sectarian frustration and the spillover violence. And then eventually it all came to a head. And people started shooting. And you would have – Bombings. Yeah, exactly.

There were bombings. There were shootings. There was the IRA, the Irish Republican Army, who was a faction of people in Ireland who thought that by causing violence, particularly in Northern Ireland and in London, that they could get the rest of Northern Ireland free. They could get the English out. So the Peace Wall separated the – I'm wrong. Two communities, right? It was like the – I don't want to – I don't know the names of them.

But basically I went to Belfast and I was there for that big bonfire night they do where they set up those – that's crazy. It's like 30 feet tall of just pallets and wood and they torch the whole thing. And man, it lights up the sky like the sun. Anyway, the Peace Wall is interesting because on one side, it's very imperial, militaristic. And on the other side, it's very SJW left wing. Very stereotypically culture war. And I was asking this dude there about it. I'm like, on one side's you know pro-palestine

on the other side is pro-israel what does that have to do with ireland it doesn't matter he told me if one side says it the other side says the opposite right and now what does that sound like today with trump yeah trump says it they say the opposite that's just the way it rolls so yeah and it only goes one direction right and so what ended up what ended up happening there's the good friday peace accords i after after years of bloodshed right serious bloodshed eventually they they signed a peace treaty but it's because the the fire had kind of burned itself out and my worry is we're at a point where we've got a lot of embers and the embers keep kicking up and they keep getting hotter and they keep getting hotter and there's no one sitting around to throw water on the situation that we have now and so until those embers kick up into something like a fire

and then that fire burns itself out i don't know how else we walk we're a much bigger country yes ireland and a lot more guns and that was northern ireland we're talking about the entirety of the country so my concern is that initially when we started seeing culture war conflict street battles a lot of people were like oh it's not going to get get any – I had people telling me when I said this is going to get worse. They were like, no, because the government will never allow it. They're in government. What happens when you have someone in one branch of the government who is on one side of the debate and a person in the same department is on the other side and they start butting heads with each other about who's evil, who's not? What happens when you start seeing – we're seeing now in Pacific Northwest, these racially segregated trainings they're doing.

At a certain point, someone's going to be like, I refuse. I'll tell you what really scares me. When, you know, the trans children issue, Joe Biden was asked a question about, I think an eight-year-old trans child. I'm not here to make a judgment call or a moral call. I'm going to, because I don't want to inflame tensions worse than they are.

But I tell you this, you have a fight in texas and i don't know what the latest development is where the mother says the child is trans and the dad says the child is not right i am worried to think about what's going to happen when one parent feels their child is being physically harmed and they have no choice but to engage in some kind of physically you know physical maneuver of some kind of some type whether know, physical maneuver of some type. Right. Whether you're left or right. And how many, and I think that's a really good microcosm, but think about how many other situations in American life that could lead to something like that.

Right? Like, part of my concern is there's so many little fires going all at once that I think individually could each be problematic. But when they all come together, right, when you have a bunch of different reasons why a bunch of different people are mad. And there's two sides to whatever the argument is, you've got two camps, you've got two teams, that it is combustible, right? And you have all these individual interpersonal circumstances that are combustible, sit against a backdrop that is already incredibly combustible. And yeah, so I mean, whether it's parents fighting over a custody battle like that with a child who may or may not be trans, who's, I don't know, eight years old,

or a situation of the street rally in portland when you have that many sources of tension eventually one of them is going to bubble up and i worry that there's a little bit of a contagion going on for something like that where as soon as people get angry and start shooting more people get angry and start shooting yeah absolutely after 9-11 where everybody came out i was in new york city that day actually um i lived there and everyone came out of their houses and was like sitting together on the street and talking and there's a lot of humanity and it was this tragedy that bound us and i think that there's going to be a false flag tragedy coming up i think i would imagine that they've been trying it russia's one who's they what do you mean that the u.s government will impose some sort of some sort of collective

tragedy on us so that we don't go to civil war. Who's the government, though? Trump's fighting the government. The government's eating itself. I don't know who runs the show exactly. No, there's nobody. Well, there's the deep state. There's the...

Yeah, the intelligence agencies are fractured. I think... Screaming Russia. Maybe there'll be many different people trying to show us many... Maybe it'll be aliens, but it won't really... COVID didn't do it. Just be vigilant about the next unifying tragedy because it'll probably... Let's look through it instead of at it.

If what you're saying is true, it'd be a great thing for this country to heal the wounds. We should do it. We don't need a fake tragedy to bind us. COVID didn't do it, man. No, COVID did everything worse. I worry that we don't even have unifying tragedies anymore. We don't. Well, it could be like a weather tragedy.

So I think we should decentralize our power grid, first of all. And then if we have a tsunami, like we have three hurricanes in one season last year. We have a bunch of hurricanes recently. Yeah, that's terrifying. So if we're getting flooding and then there's a volcano explodes and then there's a 10 year long winter or 10 month long winter. I mean, people will support each other. No, they won't. That could help.

In California, when the drought hit, the cities voted to take the water away from the poor migrants in two seconds. In two seconds, it was gone and their wells ran dry. And then nonprofits had to intervene and give them non-potable water. That's a lot of it's because of the central electric grid for profit. If we all had electricity to share water the drought water with electricity though listen through condensation now now they're talking about they want to divert fresh water from the from the delta from from the bay area south to help the farmers which would which could potentially cause uh the water pressure to invert so salt water would pour in to the to the bay area turning

all of the water brackish and just mutilating all the farms people are fighting over water these they're not going to come together in a natural disaster when people have a fundamental tribalist view and the only thing that matters is my tribe versus your tribe the earth could explode and they would be like it's your fault yeah but my i guess technology and can help us in a time of crisis because if we could if we all had electricity and we could all condense our water from the air then if there was a flood or something we could share water and not have fear of not having enough i'll tell you what where we are now it's like a like 10 gallons of water and condensation every morning on the deck it's like you walk outside and you're splashing i'm like man i'd like to get a funnel and just yeah dude there's a lot of water and condensation every morning on the deck. It's like you walk outside and you're splashing.

I'm like, man, I'd like to get a funnel and just catch the air. Yeah, dude, there's a lot of water out in the air that you can make. But in California, there wasn't. And it was funny when I saw the canals full of fresh water, and I asked the farmer why they weren't just using that. He said, the city's voted. We can't touch it. That's how Los Angeles got made.

They diverted water down from the- That's what they're doing right now. The River Valley, I think it was. LA. Mulholland. Listen, LA's got a ton of people, and they say, we get the water, you don't. And so it becomes an issue of power. They didn't care about the poor migrants who were dying of thirst.

They said, give me your water. Shut your mouth. Yeah. Getting enough water for people could be a good start. A disaster won't bring us together. A disaster right now, in my opinion, would scare people and cause them to go nuts. Right now, yeah, because we're not prepared for it. No, they'll go in the other direction.

They would say, gimme, gimme, gimme, F you. I need to survive. Yeah. To me, I feel like it would be like if Hurricane Katrina happened everywhere in the country all at once, right? And so, unfortunately, Tim, I think you're right. I think that we're at a point now where you have two camps of people who really, really struggle not only to see their own fellows as patriots or compatriots. They struggle to see them as human, right? And so I think it's a lot easier. One, I think it makes things like someone from Antifa shooting a Trump supporter more likely to happen. One, two, even in the more mundane, the more milquetoast variety,

I think it makes it easier to believe someone like Rudy Giuliani would do something like whatever it is, right? And so it makes it, I think it just makes all of us a lot more willing to believe things that we wouldn't believe, one, about someone we know, two, about someone who we think shares our worldview, or three, like at least someone who we can assume is going to be acting in good faith.

And so where we are now is the reason you get these media cycles whether it's russian disinformation or whatever else the reason they pick up so quickly is we're all like we're all pointing our mental guns at one another anyway and when you're and i think when you're doing that all you need like all you need is the tiniest little semblance of a match to be able to kick things off and kick them off badly and it seems like every morning we wake up to do that anew it's a new cycle it's a new something i swear to god this is a video game or some sort of simulation and we are controlling the morale it's a morale thing because if people are psycho they're going to kill each other but if they're not if they love each other then they're going to help each other but this has

been a part of human life in human existence it's amplified now with the internet video definitely yeah the internet's making everything worse or better it just depends i don't i don't know that we spend enough time talking about the second or third order consequences of social media and the internet and other things like that because you're right i mean i think one of my big contentions with the media is that the thing that they are doing that tends to be bad is they are responding to a certain set of incentives that aren't that their their readers are not well served by if a media needs to make money by serving ads they need eyeballs they need eyeballs they're not going to publish things that matter they're going to publish things that collect eyeballs

right and as a result of that you have all of these twisted incentive systems that i think are they're too big and they're too scary and they're too colossal for any of us to try and talk about and wrestle with because this is a system that we all live within and the idea of trying to to break out or punch out of that thing is scary and frightening but i think if we invested a little bit more time and energy talking about those sorts of things, it would probably be beneficial. I think you're right. Well, how about we do super chats? Let's do it.

It's time. Yeah. So we have one super chat from Nathan Reynolds. He says, Tim, go to Joe Biden's website and read about gun control. No one is discussing this and people need to know how radical this is. So actually, this is really interesting. I'm going to I'm going to get you over. See if I can get this is. So actually, this is really interesting. I'm going to see if I can get this properly.

So I have one section that I really want to read from you. I saw this and I want to read this to you from Joe Biden's website. Ban the manufacturing and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds

with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. I tweeted about this. I don't know how to break it to Joe Biden, but it's actually illegal to hunt children with any amount of ammo. I'm not going to read through the whole thing, but I do think there is some really, really shocking stuff in here, notably banning the online sale of all firearms and ammo. So I think it bans like any and online sales of firearms and ammunitions and ammunitions.

Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits and gun parts. Everything. I'm shocked I haven't heard about this yes and this is on his website and online sale of firearms and ammunition anything having to do with gun parts kits whatever those businesses online are over make sure you screenshot that everybody because i could see him taking that off his website that could go down the memory hole real this was one of the most shocking things i've seen. Think about how many businesses that will destroy overnight. I mean, dude, you could be selling simple gun parts

that are totally legal and fine. You're gone. Every manufacturer's got a website. Yes. That's the other thing too, is that like, obviously there are people I'm sure who they are all online gun businesses, but there are also just a lot of manufacturers

who the same way that Amazon sells lots and lots of stuff, people sell things online. We're in the midst of a global pandemic people are buying lots and lots of things online rather than in person there there are some companies that make ammo but they're based in the middle of nowhere because they ship the ammo to various stores imagine this though all online sales what if you're a distributor to local gun stores what if there are a bunch of local gun stores yeah you make ammo and sell it online to gun stores? That's part of it. That's banned.

All online sales. Amazing. To me, the gun issue is, I think, one of the most ridiculous ones because the people who are writing the rules don't really understand guns and don't understand how they work. And so I would imagine there's probably someone who drafted that policy sitting in a city who is like, well, why can't they go down this? It's just a store. Why don't they go to the store they've they've never been someplace that that isn't particularly densely populated they've never held a gun before in their life and so these things are just fundamentally scary weapons of war or whatever like assault rifles or whatever kind of

language they want to use and they're writing sweeping policies and journalists fall into this trap too where they have no idea what they're doing and so the second and third order consequences that are going to come from writing bad policies are enormous think about what that means bailing on banning online sales let's say you live in a very very small town right and you have no gun store we are in the era of online sales you know a booklet's not coming to your mailbox anymore for you to open up and go oh i'm going to call this number in order you go online and do it you can't do anymore you can't have things shipped to your house could you imagine to me man can you imagine if they tried that with anything else like it would be so obvious like anything that like some 25 year old

guy who admittedly probably looks like me who lives in in new york city who's who's writing these gun laws anything else from their day-to-day life if they couldn't get it online would collapse in on themselves and they would know it really quickly they don't know the water for instance yeah exactly can you imagine crazy yeah that's wild all right we got some more super chats kyle hopkins says election and post-election war games are in full swing multiple universities are trying to work on their post-election playbooks by running scenarios the only thing these don't take into account are trump winning yeah so you see trafalgar group today said that uh trump's gonna win this yeah yeah the like the main guy from trafalgar said the polls are not taking into consideration the secret

Trump voters, the shy voters, and Trump is going to win. They're ignoring it. There was a research that I've cited several times. It said 10% of people who vote for Trump lie about it. If there really is a 10-point swing for Trump, he's going to landslide. Oh, yeah. It's going to be crazy. And I think one of the interesting things in that, that too is it's lost on a lot of these people who are doing the war games that the side

that seems to precipitate all the violence would be the side who would be upset if trump wins yes yes indeed someone says ready to rumble says breaking news fbi confirms iran sending fake emails posing as proud boys to help jo Biden. You saw that? What? Really? What does that mean, Iran, though? Does that mean a guy with an Iranian IP address? Or does that mean the Iranian government? I would imagine they're saying it's a disinfo op, right? It's the, I don't remember the name of the company.

Whoa. This is crazy. So there were spoofed emails going around to Democrats saying vote for Trump or else from the official ProudBoys.com or whatever. The Washington Post says the U.S. government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails to Democrats. The deceptive campaign

made use of an internet domain associated with the far-right Proud Boys. Interesting. They are trying to get us to fight each other. And they're trying to get us to fight Iran. Make sure that's not some dude in his apartment with an Iranian IP address, because that's what they did with Russia to get us to go after Russia. Man, what do you even trust these days, huh? My Life Matters says, have been enjoying Drew's thread.

Tim, guest list is getting better. Would love to hear from left side's opinion. It is very, very hard to book leftists. I don't want to name any of these people, but there was a couple people who, when I tweeted, we send out invites. Listen, I'll tell you this.

I could send a direct message to a right-wing person right now and say, yo, tomorrow opened up. Can we fly you out last minute? 90% chance they'll be like, I'll make time. I'm down. And they'll come on by.

Now, to be fair, we're in an area a lot of people aren't particularly far away because we have a close airport. So it's pretty easy. Every time we message someone on the left, it's an endless list of questions, several weeks out in advance, tons of requirements. Some people that I've tried booking have demanded money. Straight up. So weird to me.

Straight up demanded money. Like I do appearances for this much money i'm like dude it's a conversational podcast we covered the cost so we had a couple people when i when i posted like lefties it's really difficult to get them on the show this is exactly what you get the grifter class yes started posting i'll go on your show invite accepted my immediate my immediate response is uh we'll cover your travel and accommodation the studio the show is in studio live 8 p.m every day our next availability is this day and i got response from one person was like i'm available let's do it or you know

i said i'm available on this date then messaged me privately immediately was like oh i i can't do that i'm not traveling and then when i was like you said you would do a well i mean kofan who would we get there must be some crazy lefties that are so down. No chomps. We've got some people who will come because just because I'm not saying every leftist is duplicitous. There are some people who believe what they believe and they're willing to come on a show and talk about it.

Robert Reich. He wants to talk. That dude. That'd be crazy. Truth and reconciliation commissions. Yeah, that guy. Maybe I don't want him to know where I live. honestly we need to shut him down in person very few people who i've read their tweets and thoughts of myself my god this is it i'm getting a gun but i read i read i read his tweet and i was like this is it like i like i

swear to you if a democratic politician said we should have a truth and reconciliation commission the first thing i would do is buy a gun all right he used to be so balanced wait wait i think he's indicative of an of a greater problem that's why i want to talk to him so we got a super chat from death sigh have you seen donald trump.watch website doxing trump donors by compiling a list of from the fec americans that give money to support a racist yes the original name of the website was something like racist.watch. And when it got attention and they immediately changed the name to Donald Trump Watch, they're not doxing people so much as they've taken all of the publicly available donor data and placed it on a map. That's not doxing. So the information is already available. They've just made it easy for you to pull up your address and see who lives around you that donated to Trump.

The funny thing is a lot of people that's great yeah like you can go to like you can go to like chicago and see like all the trump donors and you're like all right it's gonna get people killed though i was just like this yes yeah and i like i get it i get i get why we should have that these things should be public records i i guess but in this day and age yeah like that's that's putting a target on someone's house yeah i would do that i, their addresses are already public. You make a donation. Yeah. Let's see. C. Hennessy says, Tim, I have a question.

I watched the Philly D breakdown on the New York Post. I'm curious why authentication of the hard drive is such a big deal. Like, apparently they were not letting other news agencies see it. Isn't that normal? I wouldn't be surprised if a news organization said we're not giving up source information. There could be something damaged to the person they received it from. That's simple. This idea of third-party verification is like a new thing.

The New York Times says we reviewed Trump's taxes. Here's the proof. And everyone said, wow. There's no evidence. There's no photo. There's no documents. Literally nothing. And we're supposed to just take it at face value.

So the New York Post comes out and says, here's a literal email. I say, okay. Well, Fox News verified the emails. The DOJ and the FBI – the FBI said they have the laptop. And both have said it's not Russian disinfo. Right. And the director of national intelligence said it's not Russian disinfo. So I don't see what the big deal is. And it's always, I think, historically, it's been incumbent on news media to be able to prove beyond some level of doubt to a generally credulous and skeptical public that these things are real.

Once upon a time when there were unsubstantiated allegations, they would mean something because a news media outlet was willing to put their name behind it. All right, here we go. The real Darth Squishy says this 20 says the debate tomorrow never happens. No, Darth Squishy. Well, hold on. Hold on. What happens if a Biden aide comes out with COVID? And then Biden says, although I've tested negative with an abundance of caution, we decided it's probably best we don't come out and risk infecting other people.

Who does that help, though? It helps Joe Biden. To not debate? Yes, because trump's the first they're going to be like donald trump can you talk about your tax plan hunter biden's laptop shut her down but do you think that that gets through to people like i agree with you that it's it's obviously going to be something of concern to the biden camp but at the end of the day i think that biden probably looks worse and knows that he looks worse if he runs from you do you think donald trump is going to say rudy giuliani america's mayor who carried new york through 9-11 has just submitted evidence to the delaware police of child sexual exploitation from your son joe

do i think he says it yeah no i don't think something anything like it i think he'll say i mean one it won't be that succinct but uh right i do i do think does he bring it up of course he brings it up but i think what ends up happening is he brings it up he's shouting biden shouting the moderator shouting and the whole thing kind of gets lost but they're gonna meet i just don't i well no they're only muting during the two minutes of their their special secret time or whatever is what i oh really yeah that's what that's how i've heard it's gonna work i don't know it's's going to be good. My worry is that with, like,

what happened with the first debate, I thought, was Trump came out swinging. On some points, he was good. On some points, it just felt like noise. And at the end of the day, a lot of this bounced off the American people. And I think that we're probably going to see something like that at the debate tomorrow night.

And I think Biden and Biden's handlers know that all he has to do is get up there, say a few things, and walk out without everyone in the world thinking that he's completely lost his marbles, and it's a win for him. That's why Trump needs to let Joe talk. Because Joe Biden is going to be like, you know, 200 million people are going to die by the time this debate is over. He actually said that's – I'm quoting the guy. Yeah, but Trump can't help himself in so many of these situations. Paraphrasing his day.

I think you're right. I think you're right. I think you're right. I think what he needs to do is get out of the way and let Biden fall in on himself or come out and be super aggressive on the Hunter thing and just stick to it no matter what. I think he's going to munch those two things and not do either. Yeah, he's got to do charisma. Biden's strategy is for Trump to trip over himself. Yes. That's what they've said publicly.

And Trump is very good at doing that. Trump can be counted on to trip over himself this is very true he definitely can blaze uh says imagine filling a stadium with 30 plus thousand people every night all aware and motivated to change the status quo no wonder why the elite are freaking out that's right we do it sometimes we get way more than like the show with uh james o'keefe we had nearly 80,000 yeah it was like 79k i think total 37 right now lots of people watching and hanging out you guys are awesome wow v city says two things remember when trump said we have you on tape to biden in the last debate something is coming and for your stellar gif use army of darkness the third evil dead with the mini ashes running around it's perfect yes yes uh yeah

so apparently trump said something about that we have you on camera yeah he said so i'm trying to remember what it was but it's something that was tied to this was obviously before all the laptop stuff came out and he said he had some allegations related to i think it was i think it was hunter it must have been and he said we've got you we've got you on tape we've got you on camera whatever but i don't know again like i don't know like maybe maybe he's maybe he's teasing out the teasing out the Big Bang and maybe it's the sort of thing that really does upset the apple cart and change the narrative or whatever. I think there's a Big Bang. You think so? Giuliani and Bannon said 10 days before the election they're going to drop hard evidence.

I'm excited. I think if they started the laptop thing. Well, we're on day 13. Friday? 13 days out. yeah yeah i think if they started with here's an email showing that biden did meet with one of these barisma guys he's a liar they start slow you it's drip drip drip you don't put the big story out immediately you want the maximum impact when it's most important just before as close as possible i can't remember who

we were talking to but someone said hillary clinton put out the access hollywood tapes or her people did or whoever did too soon right because it was like what was like the beginning of october the end of september super early yeah right right right and they should have waited because that would have really hit trump hard but they did it way too early well now they got early voting so like 30 something 35 million people have already voted maximum impact 10 days before it'll affect a lot of early voting in states like new york and it will get the news cycle in time for election day in person voting i think yeah i guess i buy that and you know one of the interesting things i think i'm not sure i'm there with you but like to play out the scenario a little bit i think part of it too is they've already run like they

made twitter and facebook and a lot of other people who for no reason censor the new york post look really really bad in a way that if something bigger happens in a couple of days they can't pull that again right i was just thinking that man that's so awesome so so if they're so if they're if they're playing it out if they're thinking it through from from a strategic perspective and again like i'm i'm always worried when i when i when i say that some people who prove themselves and not always be super strategic that they have some masterful like it's like the trump 14 oh man i'm getting oh man like i never i never buy the idea that he's playing 14 dimensional chess because i think that he it's mostly it's mostly lizard brain and so i'm worried of ascribing this grand strategy behind these things but yeah if you're if you're doing it with a level of strategy that makes sense

so the big tech companies had one censorship strike one one shot. And they said, this is it. This is the October Surprise. Nuke it. No, it wasn't. And actually that was the bait. And already Rudy Giuliani has done a masterful 360. He parries and now he's already coming back with that counterpunch.

That's right. It's coming. I don't know. Maybe not. We'll see. We can dream, okay? Again, I think Giuliani's too lizard coming. I don't know. Maybe not. We'll see. We can dream, okay? Sounds like it. Again, I think Giuliani's too lizard brain. I think you're right. I have such a hard time believing that these people are capable of these sorts of things, but if they were, this is what they would be doing.

That I will give you. Yep. Grant Pickens says, imagine a civil war where the people disbanded the corruption of media, classical and online, replacing it with non-governed forum that will teach its own equilibrium. What if? Sure. That'd be cool let's see sean watson says lol buzzfeed writer not realizing he created the equivalent of the normal guy from that lowly island skit oh my gosh i'm not familiar with that thing the lonely island thing are you familiar with the lonely i'm actually in one of their videos he is yes i'm in a lonely island video why did i not know that uh i'm a member of a crowd as he jumps out of a loading dock and we're all bouncing andy sandberg up in

the air amazing yeah i okay please send me that i need to see i need to my if i remember correctly the normal guy was like it was meant to be a spoof of a normal guy and what a normal person would do under normal uh normal situation and it was so ridiculous all the time i think they've got another one about like what what people would do at the end of the world and like it's the the joke is obviously no one would ever do this and so whoever wrote that is is spot on that's what this is and like that's why it's that's why it's so funny as long as you can step back far enough to be able to see that it's it's not real and it's funny i love it andrew land says love the content your views on abortion concern me if the preservation of liberty requires the murder abortion is the express ending of innocent human life of unborn children.

What does the right to life declaration of independence even mean? I mean, this is just a really, really long and difficult ethical conundrum pertaining to liberty, morality. And usually whenever we get into a pro-life versus choice debate, it becomes like a whole new hour-long philosophical. The physical body versus the person itself like when you acknowledge it as a person it is a prisoner like the death penalty you know there's just a million a million one different things it makes it so difficult yeah so difficult i remember when we had shamus uh here from freedom tunes and it was like we took a super chat and then turned into like a 20 or 30 minute discussion about it. It's not easy.

It's not easy. But I do think that the ability to have the conversation at all is something that's lacking. I was talking to a friend who told me that she used to be safe, legal, but rare. And now she's unrestricted in every capacity. And I'm like, how did that happen? Yeah. And the Democratic Party shifted, I think, pretty quickly on that. And that drove a lot of it. restricted in every capacity right and i'm like how did that happen yeah and the democratic party shifted i think pretty quickly on that and that drove a lot of it um caitlin flanagan who's a

writer at the atlantic writes really really good and really compellingly on this about how part of the issue is the two sides just don't talk to each other right like the the pro-life and the pro-choice sides are making two fundamentally different arguments about fundamentally different things and at no point do those two ever intersect and so we're just shouting have you have you heard the louis ck bit on this? He was like, you know, people who are pro-choice don't – basically he made a joke about this. He's like, don't understand what conservatives think. He's like, conservatives think that you're killing babies.

He's like, if I thought you were killing babies, I'd be freaking out too. Yeah, exactly. That's what they're saying. So it is – it really is – this is one of these issues where there's no fence it is it is a like needles tip you don't a razor's edge there's there's no in the middle it's like you fall on one side and there's it's it's tough man so i i don't i don't i don't know how to answer the question adequately other than i'm not gonna i don't want to reiterate the same debates we have over and over again on like life, liberty and stuff like this. But, you know, much respect for the question.

Cassette says, hey, Tim, have some money because of millionaire cocksuckers. Well, it was George Carlin who said it, you know, I'll take that in his honor. Long Reach Jones says, look at what is documented of Capitol Hill grind. Congressman and senators being pulled away from meetings and important work to be forced to fundraise for their parties yeah soul destroying stuff that's true that's a good there's been a lot of time doing that yeah and they have to right and i think again like i'm gonna sound a little bit wet behind the ears i think here but i think a lot of them hate it right like i think there are a lot of politicians who really hate the fact that they have to go out hat

in hand to so many people many people they don't agree with so often we got a great one here from paulie paulie v says tim went fishing today and took no care to politics for the day i recommend everyone do something to escape from the madness we live in for a brief moment to just breathe and relax tim actually got a mountain bike today well not not yet it's got to be picked up soon but i'm just gonna go i'm gonna go mountain biking that looked like a head clearing endeavoraring endeavor. Sounds like it. I mean, skateboarding is. I skate like every day. Skateboarding's great.

Fishing sounds nice. I went out this morning. I went outside and just breathed in the air. It smelled so good. Yeah. People need to get outside. I imagine living in a city will drive you insane if you're in there for too long. Yes.

Yeah. Guilty. You're in a giant concrete block. You forget what animals are except for squirrels and pigeons. Yes. And then it's like rats in D.C. Unfortunately. Oh, man.

Not because of you hear what's going on in New York with because of COVID. Oh, yes. The rats are coming out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like fighting. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're running out of their usual food source. Yeah. There was there was a crazy video where like a bunch of baboons were fighting in the streets in like India or something. Yeah.

Because they usually have tourists throwing food to them. Yeah. Now there was nobody. So they're like fighting each other for food. Yeah, they ended up killing somebody. A person? Yep, they killed a person. Whoa.

Did they eat him? He's in Thailand, killed somebody. And eat him? Yeah, I don't know. Whoa. I imagine they were not happy with him. Planet of the Apes, man. Dungeon.

They're commons. I hope the rats don't get that bad. I know. I hope not. Ann Kelly says, get Styx Hexenhammer or Razor Fist to come on. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, we were trying to get Styx on for a long time. We're trying so hard.

Yeah, Styx is like one of, on the top of our list of people we want to go on the show. He was the first person I think I asked. Yeah. He's in Canada? No, he stays off overseas I think right now. Oh. It's gonna be tough. He'll turn up eventually. We'll get him in. Someone says,ysseus horse says just breaking fox news reports laptop connected to hunter biden also connected to fbi

money laundering probe oh snap well it's just a super chat so we'll see what you know we'll see we'll see i trust our super chats that would be on it that would be a big deal let's see where we at omega hunter says please ask if joe rogan jordan peterson and ben shapiro to join your iorl stream at some point in the future i mean you know what i don't like doing is like this person has a really big show why don't you come on my show it's like well they have a show right yeah i mean having the conversation is great so i would love to but when you get that big you start to run into like agents and then you have trouble oh it's so's so annoying. In touch with people. I just want to talk to the person, not their age.

I know, man. It really is tough. There's like a, there's like a certain, uh, uh, like profile size. That's really great. It is. Yeah. But some people don't like, they're just like long careers and we try to book them. They're like, talk to my booking agent.

And it's like, nah, I'm not doing that. That's, that's exactly. It's like, it's when you, it's like when you've got to enter your credit card information for a free trial yeah exactly it's like this step on its own might not be too much but under these circumstances i can't do it that's definitely too i would say mad shout out to rogan peterson and um shapiro ben yeah those guys are phenomenal they really are you betsy or bucko that's betsy help the cat why is betsy yelling in the corner i think there's a bug. Oh, probably.

I think she wants up. No, she was yelling at the bug. Hi, Betsy. So it's stink bug season in the East Coast. Fall and spring, man. But stink bugs smell really bad. Do you have a lot of them in D.C.? Not too bad.

I grew up in Massachusetts, so I had a lot. Yeah, right. But they're kind of funny, you know? Yeah, so it's interesting. My girlfriend had never seen a stink bug before, and so we had yeah right but they're but they're kind of funny you know yeah so it's interesting my girlfriend had never seen a she's from la she had never seen a stink bug before and so we we had one that was in my apartment and i was like i i remember i like called her over because it was obviously the start of sink bug season i was like this is it like like this this dumb dorky like

yeah moving kind of like poorly moving yeah like this like like there's there's no way big believer in evolution but i will pause and say that stink bugs have got to be an accident on the line and i was like this is it the dreaded creature itself here we got we have we have two cats in this house and it's really funny because when the stink bugs first started coming in betsy walks up to it and sniffs it and immediately recoils it goes gagging and then like a week later bucko walks up and sees one and i'm like oh he's gonna do it And he sniffs and goes. They're smart.

The brown. What are they called? The marmorated. Marmorated ones. They came from China and East Asia. Everything bad comes from China. Like 1989 or something. They were introduced to this area of the country.

And now they never leave. Yeah. Nope. They'll never leave. Jake of all trades says, Tim, what kind of guns did you buy? I don't think you're supposed to just come out and say it, right? My dad never would. Yeah, yeah, I was told not to tell people what kind of guns I have, but I have a lot.

Cool. Is he talking about how much you make every year? Yep, that's right. I always thought that was weird because I would just tell people, and they're like, oh, you can't tell people that. You really can't. What is it? Who gives? I do.

Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, or a woman her age. There you go, there you go. I might have coined that. I don't know that I stole that from anybody. There's a really simple way to ask a woman what her age is i always say this are you old enough to where if i ask your age you'll be offended interesting and then no matter what answer they give you know you got a certain range right or a laugh so i've actually it's really funny because i use that joke a ton of times on on women and older women are of the culture,

don't ask a woman her age. And so sometimes, it's usually a funny thing because they understand it's a joke. But I've had some sour responses like, you can't ask me that. I'm like, I know you're older than me. That means you are. You've given everything away.

Right, right. I have all the information I need now. And young women don't have this. So they'll laugh and be like, I'm 30. Yeah. And it's like, oh, you know. Well, I don't know. Maybe it's an age thing, not a culture thing.

Kate Burr 2X says, Tim, consider a Starlink connection for internet access. Yes. Just let me call Elon Musk, and I would love to get Starlink internet. Let's tweet at him. What is it, like gigabit satellite? Oh, I have no idea awesome yeah yep we need it this would be a great beta test elon uh uh please give us starlink that would be fantastic or at least that super fast train that he's gonna do between dc and new york

yeah seriously yeah right let's go man jay mill says it it's it's it'd be nice to see viva fray and robert barnes duo make it on also incredible legal insight well yeah i be nice to see Viva Frey and Robert Barnes duo make it on also. Incredible legal insight. Well, yeah. I'm trying to get Viva on. Yeah. At first, I thought that was the Frey like the band. No.

I was like, wow. If the Frey came on, that would be. I would find that cool. I would find that super cool. I don't know. I don't know how many of your viewers. A lot of requests. Look at this.

Krillin876 says, TP, are you going to have Michael Tracy on the show? He was waiting for your request waiting for our quest he is not waiting for a quest i have one out with him and he is welcome to get back to me anytime michael yeah i think he was like one of the first people we invited yeah definitely michael tracy he does good work yeah he's a good one let's see what else we got sedated and restrained says with scotus leaning conservative do you think it'll be possible to get nfa and other gun laws ruled unconstitutional oh what do you think drew it's a good question i mean i remember last time i was on we talked a little bit about the kind of strict constructionist

and constitutionalist views yeah i think i don't know i'm i'm of the opinion maybe naively so that it's going to be really hard even with a conservative a conservative court to overrule any long-standing principle um so i think that you probably maybe some of the more recent gun laws you might be able to chip away at you could have future challenges that do that but to say i think the same way about gun laws and roe v wade and other things like if they're if they're mostly settled precedent i think they will continue to be yeah precedent here's an interesting one hayden hudson says rudy just claimed on gb he has only had laptop around five days photos reported the reported the day after discovered. He had to confirm with others whether he needed to report it,

and they said, yes, report it. Interesting. All right, let's see. Some retracted messages. Jackson says, in Hong Kong, abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy endangers the mom and needs to be signed

by two doctors. Interesting. Did you guys see Sony's new terms of service that are like just so pro PRC? Yeah. It's disgusting, dude. Wow. They launched it in Hong Kong. It's like you can't speak anything that would dishonor the People's Republic of China.

It's this weird list of stuff. Because it's in compliance with the new law that they passed, right? And so the expectation, at least within China, is that that law is something that they could then use to repatriate and prosecute people within the country and so i think there are a lot of people a lot of companies who are like oh i don't want anything to do with that recording all your voice chats they said if you use the sony voice thing they're recording everything yikes at least they let us know seriously let's see let's see josh b says josh be a tip from a texan never ask a farmer how many

acres he or she farms never ask a rancher how many heads of cattle he or she runs well there you go i buy that oh this is good richard texas says have tom fitton on do it yeah for sure if i don't have to talk to his agent i totally will man does he have an agent i'm sure he does yeah he works super famous krillin876 says tim did you ever see the 80s skateboarding movie streets of fire with not as coppice i have not i've seen gleaming the cube though let's see austin showman says context tracing tim need your thoughts on the subject um i don't know mostly fine depending on the how they end up doing it it can be a violation of people's privacy through uh like it's akin to tracking metadata.

I don't know. My bigger concern is with like spying on people's phones, not so much with asking people if they'd like to help us figure out where this disease went. If it's voluntary versus involuntary, that's the issue. Right. Right. And you've got I think like part of it is there's plenty of social coercion that can go into something like that and so i think some of that honestly is good where if you've got an event that you want to go to a restaurant you want to go to and they ask you casually like hey will you put down your your name and your phone number and whatever then like i don't know that makes sense to me i just i've

recently started going back to mass in person and i know that that's something that they do there too and so i know i feel a lot more comfortable doing that and i get it like listen i beef with the libertarians on twitter all the time i get that there are privacy concerns i'm just not particularly motivated by anything there's actually a private property issue if if a business says we want to track the people who come into our store tell us you know you can come in under these conditions i mean it's their business yeah right you know yeah so there are there are challenges though because uh what i often say in terms of public accommodation is if i'm paying taxes that support your business then i think there needs to be restrictions have to be reasonable.

I mean, my phone's always spying on me. It's really annoying. Have you guys ever checked this? Periodically, it just turns on and starts tracking every word I say and it shows me. It's so true. My phone has never done that. Anyway, I need more information just out of the blue. Periodically,

while we're here, it'll turn on and I see my word. It starts tracking. Yeah, it does like a voice attack thing. Welcome to the future. They're be like, no. Periodically while we're here, it'll turn on and I see my word. It's tracking. Yeah, it does like a voice attack thing. That's really weird. Yeah, welcome to the future. They're spying on me. I remember after Occupy Wall Street, it was really funny. Well, I had two phones.

I had an iPhone and an Android and I couldn't turn them off. Really? They couldn't turn them off. So if I turned them off, they would immediately turn back on unless the battery died. And so I was talking to, I mean, I understood back in the day what it typically meant when your phone wouldn't shut off. But my hacker buddies and InfoSec buddies

were like, yeah, they're probably spying on your phone. And, you know, anyway, it's been fun. Drew, thanks for hanging out. It's a little bit after 10. So I think we're going to get ready to wind things down.

We've got the debates tomorrow night. We're going to cook some pizzas and have some drinks, sit back, and hopefully it'll happen. Whatever. I'm assuming it will. Someone threw $20 down saying it wasn't. We'll see. Drew, you want to mention your social media where people can catch those sweet, sweet threads?

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