Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #154 - Facebook Whistle-Blower Ryan Hartwig In Studio EXPOSES Election Interference And Censorship

Episode Date: October 24, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and guest Ryan Hartwig (@RealRyanHartwig on Twtiter) sit down to discuss whether Facebook is trying to swing the 2020 election (spoiler: They did it in 2018, they'll try to do it in 2020), deranking leftist Facebook pages, what section 230 actually is, and whether this kerfuffle was because Ryan wanted a raise. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're about a week out from one of the most consequential elections in American history and probably the most important election in our lifetimes, Donald Trump versus Joe Biden. And the most important thing that any one of these candidates can do in order to get more votes is to get their message out. Well, we've seen some of the most dramatic censorship in the past couple of weeks, notably the New York Post. It is the oldest newspaper that's never been in uninterrupted circulation. The fourth biggest in the country is still, as far as I can tell, suspended on Twitter for a story we now know to be true. Now, there's a lot in this story about Hunter Biden that we haven't necessarily confirmed, but there are emails, there's suspect. We've got a whistleblower, a man named Tony Bobulinski, who has now come out and said he's worked with the Bidens and he knows

they were doing this nefarious stuff. Censored. How is Donald Trump supposed to win when he has got the media and big tech set up against him? Maybe he will. We don't know for sure. But we have a very special guest today tonight, Ryan Hartweg, who was a content moderator for Facebook, who leaked a bunch of documents to Project Veritas. You also interviewed with them and just basically laid it all out, exactly what you could do, what they were doing. And I asked you just a moment ago, you would say election interference. Yeah, I think that's a valid phrase to describe what Facebook is doing. I mean, so just to set it up for you, you know, in 2016, Trump won the election. And in 2017 is when Facebook contracted Cognizant with for this project. So we'll jump into it. Yeah. Yeah. So so obviously, you know,

all about this. So there's a bunch of documents out in front of you. And I got to say, like the first little little conversations we had before the show went live, it sounds crazier than even I realize and scarier. You started mentioning like what qualifies it, an influencer, the swears you're allowed to use against people and why you aren't allowed to use certain swears.

This is weird stuff. So of course, this should be interesting too, because as you know, Ian Crossland's chilling. Hey guys. But as we mentioned the other day with Alan Bakari, Ian was a co-founder of Minds.com, which is one of the most prominent. I don't like saying alternate social media platform, but Minds is a pretty big. It's got a couple million users.

Minds.com is pretty prominent in terms of not one of the big three social media networks. You moderated for them as well. Yeah, I did a lot, just like Ryan. Similar probably to what you did. I think the difference is you weren't purposefully targeting people based on their politics to remove those personally not targeting. Okay, okay, so we'll get in all this. And then of course, we've got Sour Patch Lids producing and hello, I'm over here. But I think look, we've got we've got a lot of stories in the news. I think we should just jump right in because we are about a week and a half away from this election.

About 50 million people, that's my understanding, have already voted. These people can't change their votes. And that's one of the craziest things. They changed the rules. They put up all this early voting. They got all this mail-in voting. I'm willing to bet there's a lot of people right now who are learning things they couldn't have. Like it was very, let me rephrase this.

There's a lot of people who are just now learning things, information that was probably suppressed. I bet there's a lot of people who watched that debate the other night. And when Donald Trump said your family was making a ton of money off these deals, these interviews, these emails, these meetings, you know, people want to know your brother made millions in Iraq. Someone probably said, whoa, what is that? And they couldn't hear that story because Twitter and Facebook were actively censoring it. They may have already voted.

And now they're sitting there saying, oh, no, I already voted for this guy. This is why censorship is so crazy. And it's going to have a huge impact in the next 10 or so days. So we're here with Ryan Hartwig. You were a content moderator for Facebook. Yeah. What did you do? What is that. Yeah. What did you do? What is that?

Yeah, so as a content moderator, I mean, we see the most vile things that you can imagine that are on the internet. So there was a training for a month and they threw us on the production floor and we would be seeing incest videos, snuff videos. I was working for a time,

the Spanish queue in Latin America so I'd see a lot of cartel violence beheadings, throat slittings pornography so everything that's horrible on the internet that's what I would take down and delete I've heard a lot of people get PTSD from watching these videos all day, every day

I have to imagine, that's messed up stuff at the beginning in the spanish queue i get more like gross stuff more graphic violence more cartel violence but towards the end when i switched over the north american side didn't i didn't get as much we would get some child pornography as well but yeah yeah some of my co-workers i was just talking to one the other day who has like ptsd symptoms but they didn't have counselors on site counselors that would be coaching us and giving us techniques. So I don't feel like I really had too much PTSD. Most of the time, I didn't bring it home at night.

But yeah, it is a tough job. Ian's messed up. He's gone. I was going crazy. What was your schedule like? So they had quite a few different shifts. Mine was mainly the day shift. But I'd hate to have the night shift, having to see that kind of stuff.

Because I think your brain's different during the night shift, how it interprets things. But we had all shifts, yeah. So what would you do? Would you delete videos, delete posts, or what? Yeah, I would delete videos. I would delete groups, pages. I monitored the Mexican presidential election in 2018. So there was about 200 of us on the Spanish side. And we were monitored the Mexican presidential election in 2018. So there was about 200 of us on

the Spanish side and we were monitoring the Mexican presidential election. But yeah, I could take down whole groups, pages, videos, posts, comments for Facebook and Instagram. First simple question. In your experience, having worked at this company, taking down groups, pages, videos, did you feel there was a political bias? Yeah, 100%. Against what political group? Against conservatives. That's simple. Plain and simple. There it is. I mean, the first year before the Covington

law firm did an audit against Facebook, they were blatant. Every time Trump gave a speech, even the State of the Union, they're like, hey guys, watch out for hate speech stemming from Trump. Wow. Everything he said. And then, I mean, I added by May of 2019, and we can go through the timeline at some point. But, yeah, I mean, I made a list before I even decided to reach out to, like, journalists or Project Veritas. I made a list of about 20 examples of bias that I'd seen, and then that list just grew and grew. And so by the time I went public four months ago, I mean, the list is like, I have 30 plus clear cut examples of bias. And this, this is why Congressman Matt Gaetz, you know, could take the evidence I gave him. And he was able to give that

to the DOJ. And because of that, there's a criminal referral to the DOJ for Mark Zuckerberg. Criminal? Yeah. Criminal referral. This is not civil. This is criminal. Why is it criminal because he this the that referral was for alleged perjury because in april 2018 zuckerberg testified that they do not censor political speech and they do they sure do yeah so what's an example of some did you ever personally remove american conservatives um you know yeah so for example just a quick example like um there's a viral video in summer of 2018 where this trump supporter got attacked in a restaurant he

was a kid like 16 year old kid was that the splashed in the face thing like a drink might have been uh yeah i think he might have splashed his drink on him and so facebook said hey well there was cursing in that video towards a minor. So delete the whole thing. And they even knew it was a viral video. They said, Hey, we know this is a viral video showing a Trump supporter being attacked,

but because there's cursing, delete the whole video, which kind of fits the, it's kind of a gray area in the policy. Like we don't allow cursing in a minor, nor that's person to person. So if I'm on Facebook attacking a minor cursing in the the minor that's different than just sharing a video with a neutral caption and in some of those videos the the curse words were even bleeped out wow so so how would you

describe yourself politically do you are you conservative yeah i think more conservative uh more like libertarian yeah so when you were there how well actually let me ask how long were you were you there for doing this job yeah i was there for just under two years wow you were there, how, well, actually let me ask, how long were you, were you there for doing this job? Yeah. I was there for just under two years. Wow. You were there for a while. Yeah.

Didn't it get to you? You're like, I'm deleting this very important stuff that like is important for people to know. Yeah, it did get to me. And that's why I started making a list on my own. Like, Hey, here's, here's some examples that I saw, but like the policy is very nuanced. So to the average person who's content moderator, it might not stick out. It might not be too obvious.

But once you dig down into the policy, you're like, hey, this is baked into the cake. It's not just a couple of rogue moderators who are deleting Trump content. It's built into the policy. What about leftist content that you think should have been removed that they told you not to remove or allowed to stay? Do you see a lot of that? So there are a few examples of that. I mean, obviously, the most clear-cut example I have is there was a post in 2017, actually. I wasn't there at the time, but I could go back and see a post from 2017.

And they're clearly saying that Antifa is not a hate organization. But it's funny because in the post, they're like, hey, there's a bunch of protests being organized in like nine American cities. There are alleged ties to Antifa. Please remember that Antifa is not a hate organization. So, I mean, yeah, I can definitely see them

protecting leftist viewpoints when it comes to protests, topless protests, when there's females protesting. Or if there was a protest called Grab Them by the Ballot, they showed a bunch of females naked protesting trump uh a plan words for the grab them by the right right yeah the yeah and so um that was allowed they would allow it so they make newsworthy exceptions whenever they want to change the policy at their whim so are they are they uh

you think they swung any elections? You think they swung 2018 midterms or what? The 2018 was a trial run. So yeah. So Facebook told us, and the word on the street there at Facebook was, Hey, you know,

we brought all the content moderation to the U S which is very expensive by the way. It was like a $200 million three year contract. So they brought, they brought all these jobs to the U S so. so they could keep it closer on the election. And the reason they gave was because Russia interfered in the 2016 election. So that was the whole basis for them bringing thousands of jobs to the U.S. was, hey, Russia interfered in 2016.

We messed up. We're trying to fix this. But in 2018, yeah, we had a training deck just for the 2018 midterms excuse me uh we have yeah we had a training deck so they said hey flag any content that's election related if it's meet certain criteria flag with vi which goes directly to the facebook queue to facebook employees so and then just this past fall they were like they they sent us a message saying we urgently need visibility into conversations about the Democratic debates, the Democrat debates, when the primaries. So even stuff that's not violating, they want to know what's going on.

We're their eyes and ears, because without us flagging trends, like I was flagging this past January and December, I was flagging like Boogaloo and Civil War was trending. So we flagged trends to them. And Facebook, yeah. You're not just removing stuff. You're actually like scouting intel and giving them information on what people are talking about. Exactly. Interesting. Alan Bakari, for those that aren't familiar with him on the show, he's a journalist, a tech reporter for Breitbart, and he's been covering a lot of this.

He mentioned there's this program where they're trying to pull people to the center. Have you heard about this at all? I think I heard mention of it on the interview on Tuesday. So they're trying to pull people to the center. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you didn't come across anything like that in your work. Dick, actually, when I talked to the policy manager, Sean, I had a lot of conversations with him. He was in charge of the... He was a cognizant employee but he could make decisions for like the entire uh you know all the staff at the phoenix location so he could make a decision for a thousand workers about the policy and so i asked him about that and he's like yeah we try to like segregate people like like-minded people together to prevent more yeah that's why they're they're tribalizing people on purpose yeah why he said

like to prevent i don't know maybe fights prevent conflict or whatnot because i raised up civil war to him the trending civil war this was during the impeachment and people were talking about boogaloo which kind of means civil war right right he's like that's great like keep on sending me these jobs facebook really wants visibility he wants to know what's going on he's like if facebook had identified some of these trends in 2016 then they would have been glad to know what the trends were in 2016 when trump won the the thing i'm curious about when hearing you know al alum was saying that basically what they're trying to do is they were trying to figure out why people who are far right became more moderate regular conservative whatever and they wanted to find whatever content they were viewing and give them more of it. So I'm wondering if, did they ever come to you and say, this content clearly breaks the rules? Like, I understand you mentioned the

leftist protest, but I'm wondering if there was other examples where they said, these things get a special exemption, like straight up told you don't get rid of this kind of content um i'm trying to think of some examples like that because i know i know they gave newsworthy exceptions like like if you know there were celebs uh opposing abortion in alabama and they said something that violated the policy then then facebook giving them a pass we can go back to that later if you'd like uh discussing abortion but so they gave specific newsworthy exceptions to promote allow you know promotion of leftist ideologies but as far as what you're saying like is there a type of content we're looking for they did say look for right-wing extreme extremism globally that might lead to violence and they did call out spain they said

hey in spain there's a separatist movement separatist nationalist movement involving with the bosques look out for violence stemming from that so in a way they did try to like by asking the content moderators like thousands of them to look for certain things like we're going to be we get bored we see hundreds of posts a day we probably do 100 200 jobs a day so by us information, by telling us to look for certain things, it kind of sways things a certain way. Were your coworkers progressive or leftist or what? Some of them were. Some of them were right wing. Some of them were conservative.

There's two guys I worked with who were actually in the original video with Project Veritas, Jose Moreno and his friend. And we had conversations. I sat with them towards the last couple months at work. So there was a pretty diverse group of people. But all the leadership, I noticed, were more left-leaning. So Sean Browder, for example example was a huge bernie sanders supporter the reason i ask is because you know when i worked for some of these media companies it seems like their goal is to hire people who are progressive left-leaning and then let them do their thing you know if they

don't need to tell you to go after conservatives if you're already biased you know so i that's why i asked but it doesn't seem like they were doing that doesn't seem like they were they were hiring people you know they're just hiring it seemed like they were doing that. It doesn't seem like they were hiring people. It seemed like they were hiring regular people. I think for promotions, I think they definitely did take that into account. What's crazy, too, is the summer after I started, that June or July, they actually made us link our personal Facebook accounts to continue working. Wow.

Why? Were they tracking you? They said the excuse was so that we didn't accidentally action our friends' content. Like, what's the probability, right? Yeah. So it freaked a lot of people out because a lot of people didn't have a Facebook account. But yeah, I applied for a promotion a couple of times, never got it. I applied to the policy team, the same team with Sean Browder, and I have a degree. And a lot of these people were young, like in their early 20s, fresh out of high school, didn't have a degree.

So I think for promotions, they definitely did take ideology into account. Interesting. Do you feel like they, because of your politics or just because you didn't fit in with like their culture, they didn't give you a promotion or they held you back or what? Yeah, I think it's probably the politics about it um i mean they they in the interviews they said hey as as a part of the policy team you're going to be interfacing with the client a lot so i mean if you're if if you're a higher up if you're hiring someone for the policy team and you know they're going to be interacting a lot with a client why would you promote a a right-wing or conservative person if i mean if you're trying to protect it's yeah it's really

similar to what i was told when i worked for a fusion side with the audience look the people who come to us are progressive therefore we give them you know we want to give them what they want and so that seems seems to make sense yeah based on what you were doing uh i mean i asked you already uh do you think they were you you think they swung an election do you think what they did helped the democrats win in the midterms in 2018 yeah definitely 100 i mean they just think about it's it's about gathering information and intel so i mean you have for example just this example this past fall you had their ukraine whistleblower and facebook's guidance was to delete that and i was on the front lines when that happened you

you were at facebook yeah. So we can't say the Ukraine whistleblower's name on YouTube right now. Such nonsense. This is active censorship. If we say this person's name, they will cut the feed. I have videos on YouTube

that are in this weird state that doesn't exist anywhere else on YouTube. So what happens is if you break the rules on YouTube, they'll delete your post. If it's not a rule-breaking thing, but it's like borderline and they're like, well, look, they'll do what's called forced private.

Your video will change to private. So only you can see it and you can't change it back. But you don't get a strike. It's not banned. It's just one of the steps they have. What they did to my videos on the Ukraine whistleblower. This is the guy who started the whole impeachment process they are almost just a graphic on the website when i go into my videos i have one video my main channel one on my second channel timcast and timcast news when i go into

my videos these the the videos are there you can see them but you can't click anything when you when the mouse goes over it it doesn't change you know when you hover over a link it like turns into a little finger about to click it nothing and i click and nothing happens that's what they do so when when all this is going down i went on facebook and i immediately started you know posting this guy's name like crazy yeah now here's the crazy thing i never got any warnings i never got any like notifications yeah the post would just disappear what that was you yeah that was us so so i actually discovered it and we actually sent it to facebook so facebook finalized the policy so originally and this goes back to 2018 because you know if facebook can

essentially that his name was a was a republican talking point you know rand paul tried to mention his name on fox news he said in. He said it in the Senate. Yeah, exactly. A senator named this guy because of his potential ties to Democrats, his lawyers, the statements they made. And there was also a statement made about him that had nothing to do with impeachment

or whistleblowing. Yeah. You could not say his name no matter what. There was a C-SPAN video. A senator, an American senator, on the Senate floor said to the American people, this guy and this guy were overheard saying they wanted to remove trump had nothing to do with the whistleblowing

that video got removed from youtube so it really wasn't for to protect him as a whistleblower it was it was it was deleting a republican talking point that's what it was plain and simple so when we first discovered it i ran across this job and I was talking to my co-worker Skyler about it. And we're like, hey, what should we do? This guy's a whistleblower or whatever. And so we raised it to our local policy team and they made an interim decision for the next six hours to delete it under our privacy policy because they thought that he was undercover law enforcement. And I have screenshots of that exact same policy. Wait, wait.

They thought the whistleblower was an undercover law enforcement? Yeah. I mean, he literally worked for the CIA. Yeah. He wasn't undercover. No. And so that was the initial decision from our local policy team. And then six hours later, Facebook said, okay, we'll continue deleting it,

but we're going to delete it under this generic part of the policy called coordinating harm. So there's nothing in the wording of that policy at all that relates to whistleblowers. So it was just delete coordinating harm other. So it's just some generic part of it. But I have conversations. I was recording, filming at the time when I had those conversations with Skyler and my other coworkers. I have a really good analysis of it written up. But yeah, it's mind-blowing.

So you were deleting posts? I was deleting all day. So they feed them into our queue. So they do a proactive poll. And they pull in, so they can search whatever name it is. They pull it into our queue. And all day, I'd get like 100 jobs like that. Just delete, delete.

Do you have a touchscreen? No. It is your mouse. So you're literally like clicking, clicking. Because a post was probably crazy. People were probably saying this guy's name thousands of times per hour yeah yeah and then we had shortcut keys it was like two seven seven yeah oh wow just yeah so much easier wow i mean did that shock would that worry you at all were you were you like why am i deleting this or just like i'm at work and i'm gonna to delete all these guys. Some people enjoyed it. I'm sure they did.

They enjoyed the power trip. But we even had a picture of George Soros' son that people were confusing with the Ukraine whistleblower and I raised that up. And I asked my supervisors, and they asked Facebook actually, I think, and they said, no, still delete it because they're implying that it's him.

So it wasn't even him. It was someone else. It was Alexander Soros. I fooled around a bit on Facebook to see what I can get away with. it because they're implying that it's him so it wasn't even him it was someone else it was alexander soros i i fooled around a bit on facebook to see what i can get away with of course he did and uh i did one post that was like i wrote this thing which was basically i wrote a short paragraph saying why censorship is wrong but the first letter of each word spelled his name going straight down it's pretty yeah i'd seen those ones it never got deleted no no yes i think i still have it on maybe they deleted i just didn't notice at this point but it was up for a really really long time as far as i know and i thought it was gonna be temporary i'm like okay yeah it's trending right now maybe in a couple months but i checked back

and that was like in october or november i checked back in january and up until i i left till the project ended in this past february that guidance still active. You want to know what the craziest thing was? One of my posts, we'll just call this guy John Doe. No, I called him Voldemort. We'll call him Voldemort. He who must not be named. Yeah, we can. So I made a post using his real name, of course, but it said, Voldemort is a 55-year-old dental hygienist from Dubuque, Iowa.

He has a family, a wife, and five kids. And he's going to, you know, something really benign and having nothing to do with anything. They deleted it. Just because that name was in it. Even though it was a text post about a dental hygienist in Dubuque, totally different person, gone.

Now that was over the top. I was like, wow. Yeah. It almost felt like it was a robot doing it, but it was people yeah there really could be someone with that name who has happens to have the same name as him who's getting punished because of it it's speaking of attacking innocent people and and like the the average joe citizen uh you know who caitlin bennett is right yes so there was a meme that's

trending about her that's still trending of her like passed out drunk supposedly was her and there was like feces coming out it was really gross she made a mess yeah so they still to this day is that real i don't know is it real that's what we were debating and that's kind of discussions we have weird conversations at facebook like sounds like it just a quick aside you know that the melaniaania Trump nude photo where she's crotch to crotch with another female? We had this huge discussion about that because per Facebook policy, if they're crotch on crotch and one of them doesn't have underwear on, if it's a guy and a girl, there could be, for sake of a better word, penetration. I'm trying to talk about this scientifically. Be a little family friendly.

And so we ended up interpreting the policy to delete that because, anyways, it was just kind of weird, but it's two females next to each other. That's weird, yeah. So back to Caitlin Bennett. So Caitlin Bennett, yeah, there's this meme trending about her passed out drunk, but you can't see her face. So there's some college co-ed face down and her friends are standing around and she's passed out drunk and there's stuff coming out of her backside and her skirt's pulled up halfway, like halfway up her buttocks. And so there's three different

policies that we'd look at in this situation. So the first is the bullying policy. So first of all, is she a public figure or a private individual? We don't know. But the policy says if we don't know if it's a public figure or private, then we default to private individual to protect the private individual. So they should have done that from the get-go. There's another policy called sexual exploitation of adults that covers creep

shots or taking pictures of people when they're passed out half-naked. That makes sense. There's clearly a lot of things they could have deleted this for. But yeah, but they said, but the guidance was, and I have a screenshot of the guidance.

They said, well, we don't know, but we kind of think that it is true. So leave it up. So you couldn't even see what it was. You couldn't tell what it was. And the specific guidance in the letter of the law was to default to private individual. If you're an unsure, default to private individual so they they didn't follow the their

own policy which you as you can see is a trend facebook not following their own rules yeah and so they yeah they left it up so that could be some innocent you know 19 year old girl who's now you know being made fun of nationally well yeah that's that's what they always say about caitlin bennett and i didn't know anything about what it was they were just you know they being made fun of nationally. Well, yeah, that's what they always say about Caitlin Bennett. And I didn't know anything about what it was. They were just, you know, they make fun of her. So this could be just entirely made up to go after her to try and poison the world, just credit her so that she can't speak. And Facebook allows it to happen in violation of their own rules.

Amazing. Have you seen any other examples like that? Or was that like? So that was a big one, I think. I think also with Greta Thunberg, I think she does a lot of good work. I think she's a wonderful person. I mean, but she has been ridiculed a lot.

So Facebook gave her an exception to give her additional protections. And we know there's some autism, I think. And so I want to be respectful of that as well i think she's 17 now or she i'm not sure if she's 17 or 18 18 but anyways so people were calling her retarded and this is after that incident at the un where there was exchange then exchange between greta thunberg and donald trump but people were calling her gretarded gree gretarded yeah yeah uh and so it's kind of a play on her name retarded retarded so minor public figures like her they do have some protections like you can't make sexual jokes about them because they are minors but you can call you

can call a minor you can you can call jojo siwa a retard like you can call you can call anybody else who's a minor public figure retard it's It's not a nice thing to say, but Facebook allows it because it's not sexual in nature. But Facebook made an exception to disallow and delete any mention of Greta Thunberg. And so that's when they used their proactive pool. Again, their AI scraped the system and

dumped all instances of Greta Thunberg into our queue. Even the actual post we had on our workplace that was mentioning retarded, it pulled that same uh post into our queue so every day we're deleting hundreds of jobs related to that so it's one example of them kind of making an exception to the rules to protect certain people very clearly protecting the left and going after the right right so uh well i asked you uh twice now that you you think they did provide a benefit to the Democrats, help them win essentially in 2018. Yeah, I did.

100%. Do you think that's what's happening now? 100%. I mean, yeah. And all the evidence I have points towards that. Yeah, they are interfering in the election. I have these notes here. So this is what they did for the 2020 elections.

They created a new queue. So it's called the civic harassment queue. And so they combined basically hate speech and bullying in a way. But they said, why were the changes made to the existing guided review tree for bullying and harassment? And they said, bullying and harassment has been identified as a priority issue around the us 2020 election we acknowledge that anyone can share an opinion about the us 2020 election but not all voices carry equally far nor are equally susceptible to attacks we want to protect not only influential figures who are vulnerable to harassment through their status but also ordinary folks that make themselves vulnerable by interacting with content generated by these figures so they're saying there's this overlap between like hate speech and like the election. So what happened was we ended up getting, I think they just really wanted to see what was trending. So I saw DC Drano's Instagram account a lot, some of these huge Instagram influencers. So more things got reported in those comments.

And so I think they just really wanted to see the trends. But yeah, it was always a priority. When they track the trends, it's giving them intelligence on what's going on and how people think and feel when it comes to elections and politics. Yeah. You know, I'm curious because I know that Mark Zuckerberg apparently had a private meeting with, I think, like Trump and Ben Shapiro and some other people or something. I'm wondering if they realized that a lot of people were mentioning if the Republicans win and they're not censoring Republicans, they'll probably be fine because the conservatives rarely want to regulate big companies. In fact, there's a lot of conservatives right now saying, no, it's a free speech thing.

We don't regulate. If the left wins, even if they support them, they're going to regulate antitrust or whatever so a lot of people were suggesting that mark zuckerberg at some point realized the trend that free speech you know liberals were joining conservatives and defending you know free speech and these values and then mark zuckerberg switched to start defending the right so now we have we have, there's two big stories that overlap. One is that Facebook recently was deranking progressive websites like ThinkProgress, and that actively helping, in a way, conservative sites, and that's why conservative sites are now the top 10 most shared or engaged with content every single week.

You can see it's like Fox News, Ben Shapiro, Dan Bongino every single time. So I'm curious if you saw – it doesn't sound like you saw anything, but I'm wondering if you saw any kind of shift in that capacity, if there's any veracity to that theory. So from a business standpoint, obviously it makes sense to side with people who are more towards free speech or more libertarians who want less government involvement because the last thing Facebook wants is more government regulation, right? I asked a lot of people at Facebook, my coworkers like, hey, what are Facebook motives? Are they political?

And they're like, well, it's all about the money for them. So I think there's some validity to that. I know Mark Zuckerberg got a lot of flack when he said about a year ago he said that we're not going to fact check political ads yeah and the left like destroyed him oh and then he met with trump and now they're banning trump's ads yeah so they finally flip flopped yep and um i have some personal experience with that when i worked at uber corporate in 2016 as a contractor i worked as a a fraud analyst for about two months.

And we had this club meeting with called Uber Hue, like the Ebony Club from high school, whatever, but it's called Uber Hue. And one of the leaders was bragging about how they got Travis Kalanick, the CEO of Uber, to retract his statement of all lives matter. Wow. And so she was like bragging about i'm like and then she's like yeah and then he donated and this uh something to the fourth fourth floor of the sears center in in sacramento for it was dedicated to the black panthers and i'm like so you're you're admitting that like black lives matter like helped like forced him to retract a statement like that's kind kind of messed up. So yeah, as far as, yeah,

with Mark Zuckerberg and this trend. So I did notice a lot of changes after the civic audit. So the civic audit from the Covington law firm with former Senator John Kyle started in about May of 2018, right after the- Yeah, what is this, this lawsuit? Yeah, so basically, I think there was pressure from Congress, obviously,

because Zuckerberg had just testified in April of 2018. And so there was this claim that conservatives were being censored. So this independent law firm, Covington, headed by former Arizona Senator John Kyle, basically went in and interviewed a bunch of people working at Facebook and tried to validify these claims. And so they found that, yeah, there was some validity to them. And so I saw a change after that. So after that point, then they began tracking. The news were the exceptions. They began being a little more careful about what they said.

I saw less, more blatant leftist leaning posts. But as to your question as far as what Mark Zuckerberg's strategy is or if he's now leaning to the right, I mean, from a business standpoint, like I say, I mean, it's possible that he's trying to play both sides. But I think there's too much pressure from these organizations on the left. I mean, if you can have the Uber CEO retract his statement because of pressure from Black Lives Matter, I think there's too much social pressure from the left. So it's going to always lean that way.

Based on what you were saying, did it feel like there were a lot of people who – what was there more of that you saw, right-wing or left-wing content? I would say there's more right wing content um i saw a lot of posts i i did see you know on was it now now this now this politics a lot and i saw dc drano a lot um what's dc drano he's right wing yeah okay he's yeah he's in florida he's he's got about a million followers on instagram oh wow he's a huge some office right i'm not sure he might be uh i know he's a big trump supporter um so so yeah there's a lot of uh i saw more right-wing content there was a fair mix i i would say it it seems like that i mentioned this somewhere I think the previous episode, there's a meme. It came from 4chan that any sufficiently free space will become right-wing and only through hard moderation can a came to left-wing content versus right-wing content do you see a difference between an individual's post or a corporation's posts like was one side doing more corporate one side more people individuals i definitely saw more uh corporate posts that were leftist and i saw more just individual people who were right-wing uh and

then a funny thing is with the with um how they treat certain words. So there was something called the bullying slang list. So if I call someone, if I call Ian over here, if I say, Ian, Ian, you're a Trump humper. Fair. And you report it. I, as a moderator, can see that Ian reported that comment. So it's called a name face match. Interesting. So that gives me more power.

Now the content monitor can say, hey, Ian himself didn't like that comment so it's called a name face match interesting so that gives me more power now the content monitor can say hey ian himself didn't like that comment and so but trump humper it stays up no matter what even if you report it yeah it stays up so what if i call you a feminazi or a snowflake oh snap really really snowflake wow trump humper is okay trump humper is okay nazi's okay snowflake and feminazi are not okay feminper is okay. Trump-Humper is okay. But Snowflake. But Nazi's okay. Snowflake and Feminazi are not okay. Feminazi is no good, but Nazi's great. Yeah.

Yeah, wow. Yeah. So that gives an example of kind of what you were getting into. I hope that answers your question. Yeah, you know, that's what I assumed. That corporations are pushing the leftist narrative. Yeah. And the people who follow it, follow it blindly. And then the individuals are right-wing. There's two ways to look at it for one the right is

individualist so you've got more people on the right they want to take care of themselves mind their own business and the left is more collectivist so they have a hierarchical collective structure a corporation telling them what to do and think and just they go along with it yeah but in that sense too it's interesting that's why that meme exists that without moderation it would all be right wing because the individuals would all be the ones speaking and the left would not have any kind of group at all they wouldn't be doing anything in fact they'd probably just become right wing seeing nothing but right wing memes and ideas and things like that yeah so one of the interesting aspects of that that is it seems like there may

it's it's not just a left-wing bias it's a pro-corporate bias like is that yeah so one of the interesting aspects of that that is it seems like there may it's not just a left-wing bias it's a pro-corporate bias like is that yeah i mean we see that just recently we've seen that with uh was expensify that sent out that email oh that's right yes yes yes so expensive i sent him a email to all their consumers basically saying literally in head in the subject line to vote for joe biden and there will be a civil war where there will be a civil war. And you mentioned this collective force of the left wing. And it's like, it's like the Borg,

like you mentioned on Tuesday, the Borg from Star Trek. Yeah. Resistance is futile. Yup. And like, and then they were throwing, who is it?

The Armstrong, that CEO of the, of that one tech company under the bus. Cause he wouldn't, he said that we don't want to, I don't want to talk about politics at work. Do you remember his name? Armstrong? I think it was Armstrong. don't know see the cu's name was armstrong which company was that for um i don't remember the name i'll look it up at the top of my head yeah but yeah so i mean yeah we see that resistance is futile i mean they're

pressuring they pressured travis kalanick to retract all lives matter and that was in like 2016 that was before it became this big but right now like you know if you're a corporate entity you pretty much have to cave into the the woke left mob yeah what is expensify do you know i think they it has to do with expense reports yeah he's because in the article in the email he's like well he did like a qa he's like well why does a civil war matter aren't you overreacting he's like well in a civil war i wouldn't be able to bill out expense there's not going to be a lot of expense reports in a civil war so he's like he so so the gist of this story is he is a tech ceo in san

francisco and he sent out a an email to all of his customers saying you must vote for joe biden i saw some people complaining saying why is he using my private information for this he should not be emailing me these messages outside of the you know the realms of what his business does yeah i don't think he broke any laws doing it but he probably pissed off a lot of customers oh yeah but it's it's crazy the extent to which I don't care what my expense report tracking company thinks. When I hire a plumber, am I going to be like, by the way, who are you voting for? Don't worry about the toilet.

I know it's broken, but let's talk politics. No, I say, thanks for coming. My toilet's broken. Have at it. Let me know if you need anything. Yeah. But could you imagine if you hired a plumber and he showed up and said, before I fix your toilet, who'd you vote for?

I didn't vote. You didn't vote? You want a civil war? No, man. I took a dump and the toilet's clogged. That's what I want. I don't know what you're talking about. That's where we're at.

People have gone nuts. Speaking of that collective mind, I mean, this is similar to what Zach Voorhees, the Google whistleblower, kind of uncovered. I'm sorry. I got to stop real quick. I have to apologize to all plumbers. I think anybody doing a hard job like that probably wouldn't be a leftist anyway. Right. Exactly.

Doing hard work. This is true. Now I have to apologize to all the leftist plumbers. I mean, no disrespect. I'm just kidding. Anyway, continue. Zach Voorhees. Who's this guy?

Yeah. So to give back, Zach Voorhees is the Google whistleblower. So he went public about a year and a half ago. I remember him. He worked as a software engineer for google for eight and a half years and he uncovered their algorithms that are basically just trying to shape kind of that collective mind in a way shape humanity ml fairness is that what he uncovered yeah fairness yep exactly uh algorithmic fairness yeah and it was basically this essentially a way to influence as well the 2020 election

and i'm also working with uh dr robert epstein oh yes and uh he uh he's actually my 501c3 sponsor for my foundation um and so he uncovered you know the fact that google was influencing search results in the 2016 election towards hillary clinton and this guy's a classic liberal someone who's not he's got photos so so dr robert epstein he's got pictures of him with like the clintons and he's like give him a thumbs up he's all happy and excited and then he was like google is swinging the election in favor of the clintons and this is scary not in favor of hillary yeah and he has signed the science to back it up i mean behavioral research so i want to have him on so so are we, is this our last election? If Trump loses, and I'm not saying this to praise Trump, I'm saying if the Democrats

win and the machine is favoring them to win, are we just under the boot of the machine if we can't stop it now? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I hate to be a pessimist. All right, I'm going fishing, guys. Ian, take over the show. I'm just kidding. Oh, man.

Come on, man. Let's talk about space. No, no, no. We're up in an orbit. Ian's going to make us talk about space. Let's read sci-fi. Let just play pub g and so no no no but uh come on man how pessimistic are you do you think this is the end i think there's some hope i think there's a glimmer of hope um there's actually a lawsuit coming up i talked to this guy named jason fick fyk and he has a lawsuit against facebook facebook essentially stole his page deleted page, and tried to sell it to someone else.

Whoa, what? And he had like, I don't know, 40 million followers or something like that. Huge account. And so his lawsuit might go to the Supreme Court. It might be appealed to the Supreme Court. And Clarence Thomas just issued an opinion last week on Malwarebytes

versus something else. Basically, he issued a really important opinion that's talking about Section 230. So there's a glimmer of hope and it has to do with how this Ninth Circuit has interpreted Section 230

incorrectly. So with Jason's lawsuit, basically he tried to sue them and then Facebook's like, oh, well, we're not the publisher. But the publisher is different than a publisher. So they're like, we're not the publisher as in we weren't the ones who originally wrote the content. But they were acting as a developer because they were promoting or de-boosting certain content. Right. promoting or de-boosting certain content. And so that's the argument that Jason Fick has is

basically to fix Section 230, we need to have it either reinterpreted by the... Basically, we need to have it interpreted correctly by the Supreme Court because it's been interpreted incorrectly by the Ninth Circuit Court of California, which has given additional protections and immunity under

Section 230 C1. Not C2 because we always talk about c2 so well hold on so what uh can you explain section 230 just uh easily for people who don't know what it is yeah so 1996 um the congress created a law that was supposed to protect children on the internet from bad content so that if someone has a um yeah if someone hosts a like a platform or a message board that message board would not be responsible for every single comment but it gave immunity to these platforms i hate to use the word platform but it's like it's like digital information site or something i think it's like the language yeah like there's there's service providers there's

uh information content providers which is you and me and then there's another category but yeah uh for the sake of simplicity yes it gave platforms immunity but yeah so the way it was designed it was interpreted is fine but the way it's been reinterpreted by the ninth circuit gives additional immunity to these platforms basically uh how it started was there was like a news website i guess and someone commented on it saying i think it was the dude from wolf of wall street actually who got who got who was like the subject of the suit someone someone went on a website commented this dude is like a scammer or something like that so he sued the website saying you published this comment the website said no we didn't it was a comment from somebody else so this led to the creation of this law that said okay you know news news website.com can't be

responsible for a comment yeah so we're going to pass this law that says you are not responsible for this content so long as you know you are not the publisher or editor of the content then the website said well wait wait wait wait but we might want to remove content. I mean, do we lose this protection if someone posts a picture of like a dead cat or something? And they're like, okay, that's a good point. Okay. So you're not responsible for what users post and you can remove things if they're objectionable. And they said, excellent. This was like God tier immunity. The lawmakers didn't realize what they had just done now literally everything's objectionable what does it even mean nobody even knows so it's a good faith effort to moderate you know if it's lewd lascivious or objectionable so now you get twitter being like

this guy tweeted learn to code well that's objectionable nuked and they're protected they have they have immunity no other company has this yeah So it gets even crazier when we talk about Facebook because Facebook has fact checkers now that are a special class of people that they choose, not individuals who just sign up and do things. No, it's their choice, their criteria. And they can say, you're a liar. They can take something you said and put a big thing over it that says fake news, which is a statement of fact, false information. This person is wrong. That is coming from Facebook and no one else. So this is what's crazy to me.

If you want to make an argument that Facebook, Twitter, whoever shouldn't be sued because a commenter said something, I'm listening. If you tell me that Facebook can appoint people to insult and make statements about other people or defame by calling them liars, well, Facebook's responsible for that. Facebook's the one who's authorized that posting. It is not the same as a random user signing up and using it. They've said, OK, these seven people are allowed to say whatever they want. It's like, OK, well, Facebook, when you put a card over my post, you have editorialized and you have personally published a statement. So we need 230 reform. I know Trump has said repeal 230, which would be a huge mistake. These platforms wouldn't exist without it.

They do need immunity so long as they're acting in good faith and they're not just removing legal speech. So you mentioned before you have some ideas on 230. Yeah, exactly. That's a good interpretation of it. So, yeah, the way that it's been interpreted, that Section 230 has been interpreted by the Ninth Circuit Court of California gives Facebook protection, additional protections under C-1. So that whole motive part of being a good Samaritan doesn't even apply. So in Jason Fick's case, when Facebook fought back with their appeal or whatever, their response, they didn't have to argue on the basis of Section C-2. They just argued on the merits of C-1, which the Ninth Circuit had interpreted, which favors them.

And so, no, I agree with you on that. I think that repealing it completely would be disaster now i've heard that edget pie actually has authority to to reinterpret and reform section two and he shut down a long time ago so forgive me if i have no faith in him or any one of these republicans to get it done yeah can you define section one and section two of 230? C1 and C2, right? C1 and C2? So I don't have the...

I have the... Jason Fick wrote about it. Oh, wait, wait. We actually have it. Do you have section one and two? Yeah, I got it right in front of us. So section C2 is the one that we're all familiar with.

It talks about... Right. So C1 says, treatment of publisher or speaker. No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected. Or B, any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph 1. So basically the first C1 is you can't. I'm not liable for what another person said.

C2 is we're allowed to remove whatever we want as long as we're doing it in good faith, which basically this point means literally whatever. And you could argue that if they're putting like a notice out that says Tim Pool posted fake news that they're become a publisher under Section 1, C1. So what I'm saying is, well, let me tell you the story. Somebody I posted something about Bill Clinton and Epstein Island. Everything I said was factually correct. I said Bill Clinton was seen in these flight logs. He was he was seen on the plane. He was ID'd by a witness on the island.

And this is not major breaking news. Something like that. I'm paraphrasing right now because I don't have the tweet in front of me. But somebody screenshotted it because it went viral. Posted it to Facebook. And Facebook put a card over it saying false information or something. That was Facebook doing that. Facebook put a flag saying false information on my post.

They made a statement about me that I had lied to the public. Facebook refused to take it down. They become a publisher at that point under C1. They are the speaker. Yeah, it seems like that. I think that's a good argument. Yep. And if you look at the definition of development, which is actually in the law, it says choosing to promote, prioritize.

Well, this is not the law, but basically choosing to promote, prioritize, advance, boost, or increase the availability or usability of information is by definition development. Go look up development in web services. So I'm reading from Jason Fick's analysis. But yeah, I mean, the service provider, yeah, they're sponsoring ads. So the entire nature of their business violates Section 230. Yeah. Because what do they do all day?

They boost ads. They place other people's content in front of other people's content. Oh, wow. So that negates it. Yeah. That negates the community. That makes sense because one of the arguments that we've all been saying about Twitter and Facebook for a long time is if they choose the winners and losers, they may as well be the New York Times. The only difference, the New York Times says, I hire you, write for me, and then they choose which to and losers, they may as well be the New York Times. The only difference,

the New York Times says, I hire you, write for me, and then they choose which to go up on the site, whereas Twitter is everybody write for free, and then we'll choose which ones go up on the site. Yeah, and even Clarence Thomas and his opinion, and that was Malwarebytes versus Enigma Software, and that was this past Tuesday, October 13th.

Wow, so recently. Yeah, very recent. Wow. And so he said, the Ninth Circuit Court incorrectly held that subsection 230C1 does not render subsection 230C2A redundant as

subsection 230C2 provides an additional shield from liability. So there was some redundancy, so that's why it needs to be reinterpreted either by AgitPi or the Supreme Court. But I agree with you because you know we had that antitrust hearing a couple months ago where we had the tech ceos testify i guess there's another subpoena but you know jim sensenbrenner this congressman from wisconsin he's been in like 21

terms and he's out there saying well we shouldn't punish successful companies because these he's a republican right he's republican go figure but the rhinos and the dinos have been sitting in there milking the milk in the system suckling the tea to big business yeah and that's why i don't vote and that's why i'm voting now because i think something's happening you've got on the left and the right populists and i think the left hates the right the right well i shouldn't say hate but they they think both sides think each other is crazy yeah but i'll tell you what i would rather i i want to see these these people who sat in office for decades doing nothing saying the bare minimum taking cash from big corporations and then just being whatever i'm not gonna do anything for you who cares if the people are

suffering you got a job huh congratulations buddy i hope it was worth it but yeah just to summarize section 230 i mean imagine like your public library and you go to the public library. The library itself is not responsible for what's in the content of those books, right? But whereas if you go to Barnes & Noble, they're promoting certain books. There are certain books that are on special. So that's kind of the difference. And so Facebook's kind of morphed from a public library into this Barnes & Noble, so to speak. Yeah.

It mines. If it's not legal in the United States, then it's taken down. It's actually state by state, and it's a Connecticut thing because that's where the corporation's based. So if it's not legal in Connecticut, it's taken off the site.

But if it's legal, it stays on the site. It just goes into different buckets depending on if it's objectionable, and then you have to opt in to see objectionable content by default. Everyone kind of has the rated G filter on. That's interesting because Jack Dorsey has talked about that.

Some kind of system where instead of getting banned, I think it was Jack, maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. I think it was Jack Dorsey. Instead of getting banned, you get put in basically like the underbelly. And people can choose to go into the dark crevice of horror Twitter and see all of the the underbelly and people can choose to go into the dark crevice

of horror twitter and see all of the nasty pictures and photos and people and it's still like up to discretion what's nasty and that's a little weird because you put it in the terms and like objectionable is a horrible word to use because like how do you define that it's up to the the admin basically yeah but how i don't know We kind of have our peers can judge now. We've got like a 12-person jury system where if they judge that it's objectionable, then it goes to the objectionable thing and you can appeal that objectionable rating. That's a great idea. I like that. So actually, this really actually relates to something I was researching.

So back in the 60s, well, it started in the 20s, but in England, there was this thing called the British Board of Film Censors. So it was basically that, like, hey, there's this consensus opinion, what's culturally appropriate? Obviously, things that we see on TV would be obscene to someone from 100 years ago, like living in the 1920s. So what's acceptable publicly to be viewed? And so this British Board of Film Censors, there's this documentary called Video Nasties. You can search it on YouTube. And it talks about how the British Board of Film Censorship basically could make their own rules. So this famous quote from John Trevelyan, he said,

We have no rules, which I think is important. I think it's the only way to do it. You see, if you have your rules, you either got to stick to them or you have to interpret them. And I think either is important. I think it's the only way to do it. You see, if you have your rules, you either got to stick to them or you have to interpret them. And I think either is foolish. So he's basically admitting like, hey, we're in charge of the film censorship. We determine whether the movies get approved

or they don't get approved. And we have no rules. And it really made me think of Facebook because sure, they have the rules, but they don't follow them half the time. They make exceptions whenever they want to protect someone that they want to protect. All right, so let me ask you this

question. You mentioned that you submitted for some promotions. Yeah. But you didn't get them. No, I didn't get them. What would you say to somebody who said that your leaking of this information was just because you were angry they didn't promote you? That's a valid point. I mean, you want to, if you have anyone who whistleblowers comes forward,

you want to examine their motives, right? And so, yeah, I mean, that's a valid point. Something that I also mentioned in the video that came out is, okay, well, first you got to realize, okay, if I got a promotion, how much more money would I be making? I don't know how much. Like $1.25. Oh, okay.

So I was making $15 an hour. I was making like $28,000 a year. Oh, man. And so if I got a promotion, I would be making? I don't know how much. Like $1.25. Oh, okay. So I was making $15 an hour. I was making like $28,000 a year. Oh, man. And so if I got a promotion, I'd be making $16 an hour. Facebook promised us that we'd get like an increase, but our project ended before that. So they're going to increase it to like $18 an hour base. But everyone was making the same. I even knew Spanish.

I was on the Spanish side. I was making $15 an hour. But yes, it would have helped with my resume, I guess. Better title. Yeah, better title. So just to clarify, you're saying it was not a factor? No, it wasn't a factor. So I only ask that because the next question is, at what point were you like, I've got to do something and I've got to just release all this stuff so may have it's funny because uh

there was actually another someone else another insider who blew the whistle on like wrongdoings at cognizant who felt that they weren't helping us enough with our mental health and so i remember that story yeah the verge story so february 2019 this journalist uh case Casey Newton, he actually came to the site in Phoenix. And I saw him there and he walked around and he wrote an article about it. And so in a way, that might have been a little bit of inspiration for me because I had some information that was kind of bothering me that I'd seen some examples of bias so that that may three months later in may of 2019 i wrote a letter to congress or to a few congressmen with about 19 examples of bias and i didn't hear back and that's when i started reaching out to a couple journalists and can you name them um so i mean i'll just say that i ended up with project veritas someone referred me i'm not surprised you mentioned uh i was going to say

when you mentioned casey newton i was like, did he go in and cheer for the censorship? He's at the verge. I know. I know. The funny thing is, like, since you think he'd be interested in another, hey, I had an insider at this location. Another guy from the same exact location came forward with video evidence. You'd think he'd be interested. But I searched their website.

There's zero mention of me or Project Veritas. i don't think they're fans of project veritas so you don't want to mention which other organizations reached out to you don't have to i don't want to pressure you to do it you know not not at this time but um it did bother me because i that i think i saw something what did i see that may may of 2019 there were a lot of things that bothered me but you know one of the things that bothered me the most i think that came out that i saw in 2018 was they made an exception to allow calling straight white males filth filth so they said hey every summer there's this pride month um and we're going to make an exception to allow attacks on straight white males for not supporting lgbt so straight white if you say straight white males are filth for not supporting lgbt that's allowed so they're traveling out of the exception

um and then what they changed the policy to allow the phrase white trash which is almost synonymous with trailer trash so i kind of understand but at the same time do you remember when those racist do you remember those feminists also getting banned for saying hashtag kill all men? Were you there at the time when that happened? No, I don't recall that. I know we made an exception in South Africa when there was domestic violence against women where they allowed the phrase men are trash. Wow, that's just a bad idea. It's so stupid.

It sounds like morons run these companies. Forgive me if you're friends with some of these people still. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Hey, there's a bunch of tension and animosity between people based on identity can we inflame that yes let's let's let's let's yeah okay yeah so uh did you tell james o'keefe that he was uh that you're that he's your bronze medal wait did i say it right he was your not your first choice or whatever i'm kidding i'm kidding uh yeah so well there was a time so when i for first to shout around june of 2019, I first contacted Project Veritas.

And then we talked a little bit. And I think I filmed the first time around June of 2019. And then I didn't respond for a little while. I don't know. I didn't check my email or whatever. And then later that fall, we started talking again. So I didn't film. And then we found out that the project was ending.

Cognizant chose to end the project with Cizant and so i started filming more regularly um but yeah so that the february 2019 the the verge article came out and i didn't agree with some of it because i felt like they had like cognizant did a really good job of helping us with our mental health we had counselors on site 24 7 we had a psycho like a psychiatrist who was in charge of everything and so we had a number to call they gave us wellness time like 10 like 10 minutes a day so were you right leaning before taking this job i was i heard i heard another story that people are getting red pilled by moderating this content because they see so many right-wing memes that they start to be like hey wait a minute minute. Is that something you've experienced?

Not you personally, but did you see anybody who was like, hey, I saw this thing? I don't know anyone personally. I know some people were open to conspiracy theories or flat earth theories, things like that. Oh, no. So it did expose you to different viewpoints

and you did get a darker sense of humor. You got kind of like a gallows humor from working there would you did you have like really nasty inside jokes like the 12th time you saw an incest video and like everyone's like oh one of those huh and like you guys are laughing about the horror of it all you know similar types of of humor um i i say this because people use humor to release the tension right yeah so i'm wondering if like you're watching like videos of murder and like all this crazy stuff and then someone just cracking really dark jokes about it to try and bring some like levity to the situation, you know? Yeah.

I think that can be effective in a way. I mean, therapy, I mean a way of dealing with it. Um, one strategy that was kind of cool that I taught that one of the counselors taught me is if you're seeing something really violent, you don't really want to empathize. You want to visualize yourself in a movie theater. And then there's another you standing at the back of the theater. So you're watching yourself in the movie seat watching the film. And the film is what you're seeing in the video.

So it kind of distances and detaches yourself from the actual content. That's weird. That's so weird. Yeah, I had coworkers who, man, they saw child porn and it really bothered them. Wow, dude. That's really bad. But it was a small percentage. Some of it was really funny.

It might burn everything down. Yeah. I couldn't imagine someone doing that job. You see that stuff and then you just want to track these people down. You see their profiles, right? You can see their personal information. So not too much personal information. Sometimes it's just your profile photo and their name.

But I'm sure it's crossed through people's minds. Like hunt these people down. Oh, yeah. Wow, dude. That'd be a cool superhero film. I guess be too gritty. Like a dude who's a content moderator for Facebook. Dude, that would be a good film.

Every time he sees a video, he just likes Dexter. Like Liam Neeson? I will find you. The guy gets a Facebook message and he's like, I'm a Facebook content moderator. I will find you. I will destroy you. It would be like Dexter. This dude just has their Facebook information.

I couldn't imagine working a job like that, man. I don't know how you did it for almost two years. It was tough. There were times. Luckily, I didn't imagine working a job like that, man. I don't know how you did it for almost two years. Yeah, it was tough. There were times. But luckily, I didn't bring it home very often. And I think there's a lot of people who struggle with it more than others. But it was a unique job. In a way, though, if you could get past that, it was a cushy type of job.

If you could get past it. Yeah, if you could get past it. But we'd have just the weirdest conversations like you know hey is this because we had definitions for like you know if i can say this like for erections like is this or is it is the shape you know you've got really nuanced in the detail so you have you'd have conversations with your co-workers like oh man what do you think of this oh geez i'm imagining like a dude walking up to like the there's like a guy's like you know putting cream in his coffee and it's like you know so i got a video today and it was

like this guy's got a screwdriver right he's holding this other guy down strangling him and he lifts his arm up and then it cuts out i'm wondering is that too much we use it you know yes send me the link i'll check it out i'll let you know what i think and then it's like i can't figure hey janet come over here and take a look at this guy. He's choking some guy. He's about to... Like... Literal. That's crazy. Yeah.

Was that what it was like? It was. That's exactly what it was. I mean, like... Oh, man. I can't help feeling that there are some parallels here between what you did and what we used to go through in the hospital. Because we would talk about these horrible, horrifying things, and you have to make a

joke about them. You just have to. Yeah. You can't... Yeah, you just can't go with it. Yeah, you have to deal with it somehow. Right.

But you should know maybe this is why I wasn't affected as much. Like I actually had a stint at a funeral home. Yeah. So, you know,

we used to have a lot of people under us. Under you? That sounds bad. Oh, wait. See, that's the gala's humor. What the heck? I used to work

for a bunch of dips. I got it, yeah. Ah, yeah. It's because they were gal's humor. Oh, what the heck? I used to work for a bunch of dips. I got it, yeah. Ah, yeah. It's because they worked in the hospital. Took us a while, huh? Yeah. We were like, we don't, we don't, I don't, I don't know the inside humor. Probably wasn't the best joke.

That's all right. I got it. That's funny. If you work at a, at a funeral home, you're probably started laughing. Yeah. I kind, I kind of got it, but I was like, wait, is that it? Is that, is that, wait, wait, what am I missing here? Did you guys ever watch bangedup.com back in the day?

No, what is it? A couple decades ago. It was just gruesome. People getting killed. Videos. Faces of death. Yeah, it was stuff like that. That's like the video series.

2001, two, three years. I used to watch that. That kind of prepped me for the job. Dude, I remember my friends would share the faces of death VHS. Gross. You guys don't know that. It was literally just videos of people dying. And I was just like, why would you put that on i was like we got we got i've got fast times at ridgemont high on vhs let's put that in my theory was that one's got boobs in it i don't want to

watch a guy die you know like i would i would try and watch military head cams like a soldier getting shot and like bleeding out as he's like screaming because my theory was if it happened i should expose myself to it and it kind of works but it can also drive you insane i actually i actually agree i remember there would there be these like these viral videos periodically that were extremely gruesome and people would be like don't watch it don't watch and i'll be like i kind of feel like you shouldn't hide from what's what's out there and i'm not saying to go around and watch every single video and you know like you watch one you say i get it but don't hide but yeah don't hide from it because i've seen stuff in real life you know i've seen people get shot and killed i've seen some pretty brutal stuff and that's why you know it's funny when you were bringing up the counseling and all that stuff i'm like if i watched

a video of someone you know getting seriously hurt hurt or like some violence or gore yeah i could easily handle it but then you went into like the child stuff and i was like oh that's one out probably just like my head would explode and i started smashing things yeah exactly yeah so it's like you're taking off work and you're like loading a you know 12 gauge or whatever and they're like where are you going today i just got some work i got some stuff to do after let me take the guy's profile i'll be back tomorrow maybe not i might be in prison be my wood yeah yeah when i was watching when i was watching what was happening with project planet pizza i don't know if you remember uh the pizza gate story there was somebody who went there with a gun and i was like i was honestly just surprised it wasn't

a girl because if you really believe that kids are being abused you're gonna you're gonna make stuff that's what's scary though because that was so dumb yeah i was like that's not right this building doesn't even have a basement but you see so i'll tell you what in that regard i do kind of understand why they want to moderate some content yeah i mean that you were mentioning like graphic scenes you know we would see like car accidents people dying suicide videos time also uh i was gonna say tambien which means also in spanish sometimes i switch the two um but i mean like but graphic so i was gonna say so remember that that trump's men viral meme like from the kingsman movie there was this trump's men meme oh and we actually kept yeah we categorized that so it showed so it showed a scene from this

fictional movie kingsman where there's a lot of violence and it was like killing the media right yeah killing the media and so i had the real photos photoshopped in but like in the graphic violence paul so we actually put an interstitial on that they told us to mark as disturbing mad mad yeah and so like and i could see an argument for just leaving it up because it's fictional it's a fictional scene and wasn't trump like it's it's like so kingsman's an awesome movie and it's like this is really graphic scene where he's killing it's in a church it's it was actually i think colin firth is the actor and it was in the movie oh this is what's really really funny i mean kind of disturbing in the movie kingsman definitely watch i love this movie colin firth goes to this

like really extremist church and the villain triggers this kind of sound thing that makes everyone go nuts and become extremely aggressive well colin firth's character is a secret agent of measurable skill and he kills every single person and it's gruesome yes now here's what's funny my understanding that's okay putting up a video on facebook a scene from a movie where a british guy in a suit a, brutally murders a bunch of southern churchgoers, totally fine, but superimpose logos from media companies on it and put Trump's face on the British guy and whoa, whoa, whoa. And the same thing happens in Brazil too. Like President Bolsonaro, who when he was running for president in Brazil, he actually

got stabbed. I remember that. It was like a long knife, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't know the exact length of it. Yeah huge and I was he was a life-threatening moon like yes it was a big deal that was crazy and so he yeah she got stabbed instant then there was memes showing like a cartoon meme showing Bolsonaro with a knife coming out kind of like a boomerang and coming back landing back

on him so it was mocking or like you know mocking the events of this of him almost dying and facebook allows that and so i mean brazil is is another animal as well i mean brazil there's a lot of tech censorship that goes on there i was there like last month i met with a congresswoman in brazil and their their supreme court is just targeting conservatives like i met a couple people whose homes were raided by the Supreme Court because they were supporting right-wing news organizations. Wow. And so these people,

they want to use, they want actually want the U S the use of us as help to use the Magnitsky act Magnitsky act against the Brazilian Supreme Court. So, I mean, yeah, it's, it's happening there.

And they're looking at this election coming up and wondering what's going to happen. Because a lot of countries in the world are looking at the U.S., hey, if Trump doesn't win, things are going to get a lot worse for us. In Brazil? Yeah, in Brazil and everywhere else. Because we're such a big strategic ally. And they look to us for leadership as far as basic freedoms and whatnot. I think it's funny that the people who oppose Trump call themselves the resistance, and they're literally on the side of every major multinational corporation and big tech conglomerate authoritarian structure. But Donald Trump, this one guy, tell tell you what they resist him if he's a dictator he's pretty bad at it because you think by by the by this time after four years he would have taken control of you know

facebook and twitter media but if well it's it's funny that you know i spent my life growing up hearing from the left that the corporations are the problem and the government will save us and then i hear from the right no the government is bad and corporations are fine and i'm being very general with this now you get the left that they're basically like, corporations and government are great, which sounds very much like fascism. Huh. You know?

They've got roving bands of, like, this is crazy. In San Francisco, there was a dude, there were people putting on a protest of big tech censorship. One of the dudes was a black dude. And Antifa punched him in the face, knocking his teeth out. And my question is just like, wait, so you got a black dude who's protesting against multinational billionaires who are stifling his speech. So you punch him in the face? Sounds like you're the fascist, man.

Like you're punching someone on behalf of a major corporation, billionaires. Like you're the brown shirt, man. Yeah, it's pretty insane. Yeah, the whole corporate mentality, I mean, now you have these huge corporations, like, bending to the Black Lives Matter movement, and none of these groups are hate orgs. So the dangerous individuals and organizations policy

deals with these organizations, like any criminal organization. So we have a list of cartels that we would delete on a regular basis, terrorist organizations, obviously. But they added something there, and it said, not allowed. We delete people notable for attacking people based on protected characteristics. So based on their race, ethnicity, gender. But it's such a broad definition. Okay, who are these people that are notable? Where's the list?

Because we had the list of hate figures. So we had the list where we had... How do you know they're hate figures? Because it's on the list that Facebook gives us. Oh, okay. So Facebook created the list? Yeah, Facebook defined them as... Interesting.

Yeah, defined them as hate figures. Oh, so that was Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, Alex Jones, right? So on the list that I had, I for sure saw Gavin McInnes and Tommy so-and-so. Yeah, I don't know if we're allowed to say his name. But yeah, Gavin McInnes, we're talking about them neutrally, so we're not praising, supporting, or representing them.

They're going to ban us. If you consider that you can't say someone's name, it's insane. Well, yeah, so with these organizations... That's 1984, isn't it? So bizarre. Like you couldn't say someone's name is insane. Well, yeah. So with these organizations. That's 1984, isn't it? So bizarre. Like you couldn't say people's names? Backwards.

We should stop that. No, I mean, like, wasn't that literally in the book where it was like a person's name wasn't allowed to be said or something? I think so. Hope book was a long guys. The Brave New World movie. Anyway. So yeah, PSR, praise, support, or represent.

You cannot do any praise, support, or represent of these individuals. And so Gavin McInnesmmy are literally on the same list as adolf hitler i'm not shitting you wow and so um yeah so this is the hate figure list so i mean this is how they count and the source they use that i have evidence the source they use is the adl and the uh southern poverty that's what I was asking. So the SPLC went through its own major scandal where apparently they were being run by racists. And there was an investigation that found decades of racism and that the organization itself was essentially just a bunch of racists

making money off pretending to be not racist and then storing a bunch of that money overseas or something. The ADL has its issues, but I've got to be not racist yeah and then storing a bunch of that money overseas or something yeah the adl has its issues but i got to be honest when you like when when you read articles from anti-defamation league like we had enrique tarrio of the proud boys here uh it was it was i would say extremely critical like uh had an extremely negative view but it was a decent assessment i should say like they said they're clearly not white supremacists, though they have had members who overlap. And I'm like, that's true. Like even they've talked to us about like, oh, yeah, we had to kick these people out for these reasons.

And so I think the ADL is the problem with the ADL is that their view of everything is extremely negative. negative and they view all these groups like they take a i don't know how to describe it other than they're very very opinionated to an extreme degree you know you do one wrong thing and they're like ah that person's evil but they'll mention what you did and why they're mad about it they just get mad really easily southern property law center as far as i'm concerned makes it all up like they had one article uh that included me where they claimed that i went to a iranian holocaust deniers conference and their evidence for it was an archived version of a of a website that didn't exist anymore that was a holocaust deniers website saying that i was an attendee i've never been to you sue them for that so there was a suit um they they settled immediately issued apology and they they said i was a leftist how

about that they were like they basically said we apologize to people who are on the left tim pool you know so and so so and so whatever speaking of iran so i actually have a evidence uh screenshot at work of a post giving guidance about iran iran so facebook allowed the phrase death to kameni for about three months roughly when there was mass protests in iran so i mean whether depending which side you were on doesn't really matter but it just shows you the amount of power that they have so on the entire facebook platform facebook can just switch a lever and say we're going to allow the phrase death came in wow well it's normally it's not allowed well let's have a hard question. I mean, a hard conversation. If Facebook just allows everything, won't it go nuts?

Like, isn't it possible we'll see crazy extremism and crazy groups of people just screaming violence or whatever? I mean, actually look at Antifun. Look at Black Lives Matter violence. 140 plus days of rioting. And isn't it because they won't check them they won't say stop advocating for violence yeah i think i think there's a potential i mean if if there's some changes with facebook and more things are i mean if in general more things are allowed and it's funny because the left always claims that the facebook's not doing enough to censor

hate speech when when there's a bunch of people on the list that are right wing, but there's nobody on the left, even segregationists on the left. They're never on the list. But yeah, I think there's a lot of crazy stuff on the internet. I mean, I think we're barely even beginning to grasp how influential the internet is, how powerful it's become. In the last 20 years, we've seen this technology revolution. So I don't think even the leading technologists or even the people who created the internet understand what it's become um something that goes into the larger debate of what's allowed on the internet i mean

yeah there's gonna be crazy there's gonna be a lot of crazy stuff on the left and the right both both parts do you think there is some kind of collusion between democratic politicians and facebook 100 you do think so yeah um because well i mean so here let me say this may indirectly at the very least at the most direct collusion so i mean did you ever witness uh a democratic politician coming in and talking with anybody or any or any kind of uh evidence they were? I do not have direct evidence. What I can say is there's a group of about six people. So I talked to one of my team manager, Alexis, and she had conversations, interactions with the global policy team at Facebook.

There's about six people who determine the policy. And she was telling me like, yeah, they all kind of have the same mindset, and they're all based in San Francisco. As far as direct collusion with Democrat politicians, I talked to a journalist with the New York Post the other day, one or two days ago, and he was finding this connection between Twitter executives who had this revolving door with the obama administration well so there was a facebook employee who joined joe biden's team and a twitter employee who did as well and i think the guy's name is andy stone i'm not sure okay

facebook communications previously worked for the democratic congressional campaign committee so we've seen that there is the revolving door between facebook and democrats and twitter and democrats they're working for Joe Biden. This guy announced that they were going to censor the New York Post story on Hunter Biden. That's crazy. I mean, this is a prominent American newspaper started by Alexander Hamilton in 1801. And he's I believe was 1801. And he's like, well, we're going to censor the story anyway.

This guy worked for the Democrats. Apparently, I guess he worked for Barbara Boxer before. So what makes you look i get it we have those stories but uh you know based on your experience working in this company what what made you think that there was potentially direct collusion uh as far as direct collusion i mean like look i didn't work in the Facebook offices in Menlo Park. So I interacted with some... The people I interacted with were mainly Cognizant employees, to be frank. Now, Sean Browder is the person who interacted constantly with the client, with Facebook. And so what I've noticed from my conversations with him is, first of all, he's very left-leaning Bernie Sanders supporter. They are very interested in me bringing up trends about

right-wing extremism like Boogaloo. And for example, the Virginia gun rally in January was labeled as like, hey, watch out for hate speech or racist groups at this Virginia gun rally. So, I mean, the evidence I have is not really – it's not like I had conversations with Facebook employees who said, yes, a Democrat politician told us to change the policy. So I think there's more of an indirect effect from all these leftist organizations. So just more of like an extreme bias. Yeah, more of extreme bias.

I mean, are there politicians that are probably buddy-buddy with people at Facebook? I'm sure there are. I mean, we had Joshua Fowerstein get banned like a month ago or whatever. And the only way he could get his account back was by reaching out to trump officials like people he knew so so like if that's happening on that side let's just you know same thing's probably happening on the opposite end i mean if people are probably you know getting giving favors or or helping out democrat politicians um i did notice here's something huge that i do have evidence of is the something called the the shields that people that they have that facebook has so it's called the fire brigade um let me see

if i have the notes on here but basically anyways basically there's different shields so i ran across some content i tried to like action it and it was like you cannot action this content there is a shield on this content so fire brigade stands for like pr fire so there's different tags so there's like high pry x check tag and business tag so you cannot delete or touch certain content because it has this shield or tag associated with it so in very may very well be that there's accounts that you know should be protected kind of like vips that you cannot delete interest i ran the same thing when i worked at uber because there is we would

deal with uh fraud and partner fraud but we occasionally run the vip accounts like really big celebs that we didn't want to piss off or have their account canceled or something so so we we seeing everything we've seen over the past year you know someone like uh myself i read the news all day and I have my opinions on whether or not Trump's going to win. But with your experience with how big tech is manipulating the election essentially, do you think Trump is going to win? I think that Trump has a good chance of winning. I think Facebook's doing everything they can to push people a certain way. There was a cartoon image of Trump shooting himself, and Facebook said, we're going to allow that. Who was the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan?

He got out of jail or out of the hospital. Hinckley? Hinckley, something like that. And so he came out of the hospital, and there was this meme implying that he should shoot Trump and Facebook allowed that. Wow. And so, yeah, I really think there's a chance

that, you know, despite all that, there's a good chance Trump will still win, especially when you're going against someone like Joe Biden. I wonder if it's not despite all that.

I wonder if it's because of it. I wonder if people are sick and tired of seeing the psychotic behavior of the left, the cancel culture stuff. Like, you don't see videos of people, you know, threatening Joe Biden. You don't see these pictures or videos mocking him. I have to imagine there's regular people who might see, like, remember when Kathy Griffin held up the head?

Yeah. I wonder how many votes Trump got from that, from people who are just like, oh, that's disgusting. What's wrong with you? You know? And then all of a sudden kind of just like, I don't like these people, you know? you know i think it's backfired yeah i think you're right in a lot of regards i think it's backfired because there's so much hate against trump that the normal individual who's not hateful it's like hey why is there all why is there all this hate against trump and so yeah i think that's very possible uh there's been pushback and it's kind of worked against them and the fact

that i revealed this damaged you know facebook's reputation and brought to light certain things. So, excuse me. If Facebook had been playing by the rules from the get-go, then I wouldn't have been able to film their discrepancies, them breaking their own rules. Can't Facebook just be like, oh, no, this is cognizant. These, oh, darn it, these evil contractors. We had no idea well some of the posts uh they can't really argue that because for example when they took they told us to not treat abortion as a violent death it said the facebook team has given us it said the fb team

has given us guidance to not treat abortion as a violent death that reminds me of my conversation with jack dorsey when i was explaining to them that their rules are inherently biased and you know vajayagade and dorsey were immediately like oh no that's not true what are you talking about and i said you have a misgendering policy like you should say if you misgender someone if you went to a conservative and said don't misgender someone they would assume you're saying if someone is born male then you call him he him and if born female you know she her whereas twitter's perspective is the inverse if if if somebody says their identity is you know then you got to use that so to a conservative what dorsey views is misgendering it's it's it's it's inverted and if their rules uh rules are

are built around a progressive understanding of these definitions what they mean then yeah they're inherently biased yeah yeah because like you can't really tell that you're biased if you're really that biased you can't tell that you're biased and there's that that group think effect that we saw you know in 2008 when when uh the media just fawned over president obama but an example of that related misgendering is we had uh so in the hate speech policy if you're attacking someone like a race or an ethnicity and you have like a stick figure that represents them then that can still violate so if you have a little cartoon imagery of a christian figure like a little stick figure kicking a kicking a muslim stick figure out of

europe that violates the hate speech policy because they're representing the stick figures are representing that characteristic the ethnicity of the race and so with um with uh mental okay so with gender so there was a meme that showed the the it was calling certain genders a mental illness so i think it was like non-binary or something like that he was saying and it said this is a mental illness but there was no stick figure it was just the symbols so it's it's purely talking about the ideology so facebook backtracked because for a while they're like, okay, allow it does not violate our policy.

But then they backtrack and they said, actually, we're going to delete this. We know it does not violate the policy, but we're going to delete this. So once again, more exceptions. Um,

I have a, you know, a list of like 30 examples here, but, um, bro, it's human centipede. Yeah.

It's human. These, these Bernie bros are getting news from progressive websites and these writers are getting their news from facebook posts yeah and then it's all being recycled over and over again you know twitter is probably one of the worst things that ever happened to journalism because it created a feedback loop among journalists where they just follow each other and share the same stories over and over again. And Facebook's algorithm essentially promoting intersectionality because it's

got more keywords, more buzzwords and it's shot content. So long as they allow it, it will continue to get worse. So here's what I, here's what I think happens. People want these people on Facebook accidentally got sucked into this vortex where content that was about police brutality and intersectionality was socially acceptable because racism bad.

And it combined all these keywords. So it made money. And that was the perfect storm. These people were reading the stuff on Facebook, believed it all, then got hired at companies to moderate and said, oh, but these things are true. I see them all the time. That's OK. moderate and said oh but these things are true i see them all the time that's okay and then the journalists see the same thing and write the stories and create this feedback loop where they're all spinning away in their little human centipede vortex off in the corner while regular

people are confused what is going on yeah because regular people aren't in that world that's the craziest thing to me is that like joe biden's struggling struggling to find that space between regular America and the Democrats is just it's not there. And that's why he's trapped in this fracking thing. So you watch the debate. Yeah, yeah. Watch the debate. The reason Joe Biden lied and said we're going to ban fracking is because the activist left

is in that vortex with these people at Facebook, with these journalists, and they believe insane things. And they're a tiny group of people, relatively. So Joe Biden, if he wants to be the Democratic nominee, you got to say the craziest thing imaginable. And that's why even Bernie was like going off the rails and their policies kept getting crazier. Then once Biden won, now he's got to talk to regular America again. And so he's like, no, no, no, I don't want to buy fracking. And they're like, here's a video of you saying it over and over again so i can't imagine him winning he chased so here's what i'm hoping here's my optimism i think you've got the desperate democrats chasing after twitter the twitterati

left who are in this human centipede vortex and it's going to backfire on them because regular people don't live there regular people don't know what joe biden's on or talking about when he says these things and i think that's why they're so desperate you know to run i think they're i think they're running against trump like anti-trump joe biden is not the candidate the candidate is do you like trump or hate trump yeah and they're doing that because joe biden can't possibly please the democrats they are split up in a million different ways and they'll never get back the moderates in fact the party seems to be shrink shrinking based on gallup gallup's latest polling yeah that they've they're the party affiliation for democrats has gone way down so we'll see how that plays out i guess yeah it's going to be interesting to see i mean uh

you know facebook's been involved in in They, they've certainly taken a central role. And, um, it's weird because I saw this, this app I have for where you get like discount on your gasoline. It's called like get upside. And I saw this little notification that popped up and then disappeared. It's like,

Hey, if you vote, we'll give you 10 cents off per gallon. I'm like, Oh, I'm going to take that to the attorney general. Yeah. Same thing.

Like with like Schlotzky's, if, if you, they can't offer you a Schlotzky's sandwich shop? Yeah, I'm familiar. Would they offer money to someone? A while back, they were offering a free sandwich if you bring in your voted sticker, which violates

Arizona law. So that's been my biggest complaint is like the entire time. Schlotzky's is so good. It's such a good sandwich. They really should give you a free sandwich. They should change election law. Yeah. So that's my thing is like Sandwich. They really should give you a free sandwich. They should change the election law. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's my thing is like, you know, if Slotsky can get in trouble for that, look what Facebook's doing on a global scale. I was moderating content in Latin America, in Venezuela, in Mexico, the Mexican presidential election. I saw some, you know, content about Spain. Facebook has training decks for Poland, for Taiwan, for every country imaginable. In Poland, Facebook shut down their Independence Day march every year because they call it hate speech. They're always purging these nationalist groups in Spain or in Europe. And so I just think that the amount of power they have and influence they have is immense, and they're using all of it to

try to influence this election in the name of protecting against hate speech. It's a feedback loop, and it's going to implode at some point, because the things they believe are getting more and more unhinged, and it literally doesn't make sense. Like, when you

see the degree to which i'll i'll put it this way ocasio cortez gets 400 000 concurrent viewers on her her twitch stream yeah i heard about that this is the future of politicians dude this this this woman uh with all due respect i i respect that she was a she was a bartender and she it's it's part of the american dream you know that anybody can be uh a politician she – it's part of the American dream that anybody can be a politician. It's for, of, and by the people. So you don't got to be the smartest person in the world. You don't got to be rich. And that's pretty incredible.

But man, does she not know anything about what she's doing. The bills that she's gotten passed have been like renaming post offices. And yet she still gets all of these leftists screaming and cheering for her. And I – so I was talking to my friend this guy i know earlier there's a viral post by sophia narwitz of all of these leftist blue checks mocking trump for saying coyotes were bringing kids over the border coyote of course is the name of the smugglers who bring people across the border yeah all of these people thought that trump was literally talking about coyotes carrying children like the madingo you know ate or the dingo ate my baby or whatever it was a combination of ignorance and arrogance

and then when i see aoc and i see you're getting 400 000 twitch stream viewers i'm just like our politicians of the future it's going to be idiocracy they're going to be influencers who know nothing but man can they get those views? Because she won her primary. She might not win re-election. She probably, probably will. Because there are still Republicans and maybe, I really doubt it, she's going to win. And that's crazy because what has she done other than rename some post offices and then offer up ridiculous policies?

No, she's an influencer. She's got 10 million followers on Twitter. Sure, that's part of being an influencer she's got 10 million she's got 10 million followers on twitter sure that's part of being an influencer dance and she and she dances and you take someone who has no idea what's going on you put we are going to have politicians who are literally going to have flame wars on twitter and that's going to be at no policy discussion what they should have a term limit then in and out if you don't do anything too bad do something with your time don't waste my time i don't think that's the issue i think the issue is people don't vote based on policy they're voting based on orange man bad they're voting based on who i like or don't like that's how reagan got

into he was famous he was a b-list actor but but but who was who was reagan running against in 84 do you know um bush senior was it mondale mondale it was like a horrible campaign yeah and and what we've seen with nixon as well is that there are these when things go too far left does snap back so maybe we're secretly going to see this big trump wave and everyone's going to be shocked and the polls are going to be wrong but what i kind of see happening in the future is the left is being wound up into this psychotic space and it's so insane that policy can never be argued that's why they're running joe biden and that's why he hides in the basement because if joe biden comes out they're going to be like wait a minute i disagree with that so

better just hide him and then say you hate trump though right the politics the politicians we're gonna have in the future are going to be people who are like i have no idea policy but man left whoo and they're going to be like yeah left and it's going to be literal who are like, I have no idea of policy, but man left. Woo! And they're going to be like, yeah, left. And it's going to be literal tribe. It's going to make teams. Well, it's like the Hunger Games movie with Pan Am and Katniss Everdeen. Seriously.

What was the name of Lawrence, the actress? Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence, yeah. And you have Pan Am, you have Cornelia Snow, and they're having nonstop parties in the Capitol. They have no clue what's going on in the rest of the country. Exactly. And then they celebrate people dying.

Right. And competing against each other, killing each other in a barbaric fashion. Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? No. Mike Judge is a prophet. The president... Do you know what it's about?

Have you heard about it? No. So there's this average guy, and it's played by Luke Wilson. And he does this trial for like a stasis. He's in the army, and he volunteers, I guess, for the stasis thing. I don't know if he volunteered. He was like useless.

So they were like, here's something you can do. Sleep for a year. So the project was to put him in this chamber, put him to sleep for a year, wake him up. And it was him and a prostitute who got put in this program. But I guess he mentions – it's been a long time since I've seen the movie. Because of bureaucracy and a loss of funding, they moved the stasis containers into storage and forgot about it for 500 years. Then the machine finally kicks open. It's been 500 years. He wakes up.

He's in the future. And now he's the smartest person in the world because in the beginning of the movie, they explained that evolution wasn't favoring those who were the most skilled. Humanity had reached a point where evolution just rewarded those who reproduced the most. And then it shows this really funny scene where like this football player is like he wins a football game and he goes, I'm going to do you. I'm going to do you. And that shows like his family tree getting bigger and bigger, like babies popping up. So anyway, in the future,

the president is a wrestler named Camacho and he has no idea what he's doing. Everybody like the water fountains all have Gatorade in them. And then they, they're, they're watering, they're watering their crops with Gatorade. So there's a huge famine and they don't know why. And he's like,

you know, when Luke Wilson is an average guy, he's not very smart. He's just like, have you tried watering them? And they're like, you know, when Luke Wilson is an average guy, he's not very smart. He's just like, have you tried watering them? And they're like, water? Like from a toilet? And they laugh at him.

What's funny about that is, again, it's an older movie. But seeing the people laugh at him when he says, try watering the plants. And they're like, from a toilet? You're so dumb. That's exactly what we're seeing right now. When people go on Twitter and go, can you believe Trump said coyote? They start laughing and high-fiving each other and you've got some high-profile left-wing activists that are saying these things and it's like we're in idiocracy we're like we're like the food supply man and there's no no no dude come on no 30 years that's

nothing to do with why people are stupid oh that's a big part of why people are stupid no people are stupid because they're being catered to on their base baser instincts by social media and by video games and instead of going out and actually engaging with the world we are continually it's like we're we're institutionalizing our children into the every generation is more and more institutionalized a kid goes to school and he's told what to do and he's given everything. Here's your lunch. Here's your homework. Do it. They come back. Now they're 22, they're 24, they're 26. They're getting out of college and they say, just tell

me what to do. I've never done anything on my own. I'll just do what you tell me. Then they go on their internet and they hear their stupid tribalist garbage and they all laugh and giggle about how dumb they are but they think they're smart. Those are the people who are voting right now. And they might win. Ocasio-cortez is the first is the first step and and that's i i think look we've already got a world wrestling entertainment hall of famer president so it's like mike judge called it he

called it a little too early or he said it was gonna happen way later but i i i see this is where we're headed now the optimism in this is that perhaps regular people aren't stupid i mean people are average you know george carlin said think about how stupid the average person is now realize half of them are stupider than that maybe regular people aren't that stupid and see what's going on and are like i don't have anything to do with this yeah but maybe i don't know maybe they are dumb and they're going to be like trump is bad and you know vote against him now i'm not going to sit here and act like trump is the perfect person that we need. But I'll tell you this.

When you've got Facebook and these big tech companies and they're manipulating everything and everything they're doing, the only thing we can do right now is hope the Republicans win and then enact some 230 reform and change this otherwise we will get a government run by people like ocasio-cortez who don't pass anything but stream video games on twitch and do instagram live streams but clearly have no understanding of politics yeah it reminds me of the 1993 movie demolition man with uh wesley snipes and uh sylvester stallone oh man where in the future they're they're cops basically in the future and this uh every time you curse or swear there's this it automatically finds you it's like alexa with that automatically like finds you and so one in the house you may have just turned around oh no alexa stop sorry if i turn on your your computer so yeah it's like demolition man i mean you we're gonna live in a

society it's it's it's built into the system it's institutionalized where any hate speech is you know automatically filtered out and you have no freedom of expression i mean you have to understand this is not like a right versus left issue i mean i don't know if it's the ai that's doing it but maybe maybe it's that maybe it's us versus the ai maybe ai controls facebook because people have asked me what are mark zuckerberg's motives like is he leftist i don't know no he's a robot he maybe he's AI controls Facebook? Because people have asked me, what are Mark Zuckerberg's motives? Is he leftist? I don't know. No, he's a robot.

He reminds me of Terminator 2. Have you seen Terminator 2 with Skynet? When they meet the guy that's building the Skynet AI, and he's all joyous about it and jubilant. And Zuckerberg has the same kind of oblivious optimism. He's literally building AI. He's like on nootropics

He thinks he's doing like think he's bringing everyone together with in smiling and holding hands Hello, my name is Mark Zuckerberg and I have created Facebook like he's got a question He's got a free that code shout out to all the code freers out there literally doesn't me always say that doesn't mean he's cuz you Gotta watch what the AI is doing while it's talking to itself. Otherwise the AI is gonna go hey why in terms of the AI but What my selling AI he's like one of the one of the AI is going to go haywire. In terms of the AI, but... He's building AI. He's like one of the proponents of AI in the world right now. So what we're going to get... Are we being purposefully wrapped up in this algorithm

so that we all live in idiocracy joyfully? I think we need to localize lawmaking. Ignorance is bliss, baby. So I think the top-down lawmaking is part of the problem with idiocracy that we needed somebody above us telling us. I think at the local level, if we could make our laws locally. We do that.

Well, like with, I mean, more, more. Like, I don't want someone to decide how much taxes I have to pay from the top. That makes no sense. What do you mean? We as a community should decide how much I want to commit to my roadways in this community. We do. Well, we have like a governor. You've got to vote for your comptroller and

and and your your and your governor and your president and your and your foreigner people to represent the your first your your your block leader in chicago then your alderman then your sheriffs then your your county commissioners then your city council people then your mayor then your state senators yeah it's all a bunch of people above me you're telling me to vote for someone that has power over me but i want to be the one that decides where my tax dollars go i don't want i want to just have that bro what you don't understand we all should is that one of the problems in this country is that people stopped voting locally they're like you know it blows my mind one of the problems is representative government people are

like i'm going to vote for ocasio-Cortez to fix my neighborhood. She represents you to the federal government. What does she have to do with the Bronx? She can't represent anybody. No, no, no. She represents you to the federal government. She tries and she fails. No, no, bro. What you don't understand is that when you vote for a congressperson, you're voting for

someone to vote federally, not for your home. Representative democracy is failing. What you don't seem to understand is that when you vote for somebody, when you want your streets cleaned, you vote for your city councilman who says, I will clean the streets or you run for city council on cleaning the streets. We have all of that local stuff, but Americans don't do that anymore. They're voting for senators on local issues for federal issues. It makes no sense.

They're like, this is what blows my mind about modern politics. You'll see a politician in Congress or the Senate, and they'll say, I'm going to go to Washington and I'm going to I'm going to help you here by fixing this thing. It's like, well, hold on. Why are we talking about fixing this city and voting for a federal representative? That doesn't make sense. You want to fix the city. You got to vote for the locals to do the local thing. I don't even think that's could cut that part out i mean the technology is good enough we don't need someone above us unless you don't want to participate and you want to give away your power but why why would you why would you hire someone to do your to represent you when you can just represent yourself i guess the question is why do you

think someone's above you well if you vote someone to have the power over you to do you know the a lot of times it could just be menial work that you don't want to deal with they're public servants right that whole this is not this is not the issue like i'm a public servant i could be you could be we could all be like voting on our local you know direct democracy doesn't restriction well i mean with the right technology maybe it would but i don't like i don't like the issue of technology i don't like mom that's why it wouldn't work so you elect a representative who's supposed to have a better I mean, with the right technology, maybe it would. But I don't like mob mentality. I don't like mob mentality. That's why it wouldn't work.

So you elect a representative who's supposed to have a better understanding and represent your best interests and say something like... And they don't. I've got farmers over here and coal miners over here, and they disagree on this fundamental issue. Unfortunately, the one that has to be done is going to favor the coal miners. That's what we need to happen. So there's this idea of... There's actually a group on Facebook that I know, a few guys, and they have this idea called the seasteading nation. And so basically what a deal – they want to build their own independent nation in the ocean, in international waters.

So they've built up designs on how to build their – the structure or whatever, and they'd have to deal with like international politics but you know if you if you're going to do that if you're going to build a give me once uh you know your own little nation in the in international waters you got to be careful about who you bring out there because if there's enough crazy people then things can go get chaotic right it's it's really difficult to to make a functioning society yeah it's it's extremely difficult and we've done a pretty good job but the problem is i'm i'm reminded of that video of the woman screaming into her phone we're losing our democracy well she's kind of she's she's she's right but probably for the wrong reasons we're losing our democracy because we're voting for people and we've done it for decades and all they do is they they look at joe biden i'm gonna ban fracking then then he gets on

stage are you gonna ban fracking no i didn't say that you getacking. Then he gets on stage. Are you going to ban fracking? No, I didn't say that. You get Hillary Clinton going on stage and speaking with a Southern accent. You get Ocasio-Cortez going on stage. And now all of a sudden she's talking with a Latina accent. And she's like, but that's my first language. Yeah, but you don't talk that way. You're talking that way now. We have video of you. You're just manipulating people. We have politicians who have decided just to say whatever they need to say to get elected. And then what do we get? AOC is supposed to represent this new wave of young upstarts who care she doesn't she doesn't do anything she renamed some post offices and then she goes and does twitch and activism and she talks about getting rid of farting cows none of which is realistic or is going to help anybody she tries

to implement this radical social economic change in the green new deal which is more about the economy than it is about the environment using the environment as a cudgel we have politicians that just don't care here's something so cortez makes a decision and makes a vote about something then the people she represents 70 000 people what if those 750 what if those 750 000 people all voted on an app and then the that vote was tallied and instead of having someone like cortez there, that's just that vote goes into effect. Because that would just be direct democracy. Well, on some level. And I feel like that term democracy

also is just being thrown out there a lot. And I don't even know if people understand what democracy means. Because everyone's like, save democracy. Don't let, you know, don't let Trump defeat democracy or democracy in darkness from the Washington Post. But to your example, I think using an app, that's a good way to interact with people, I think.

But that is more direct democracy and not so much a republic. But is it worse than having one person, Cortez, just making the decision? I'd rather give the decision to the crowd. Why? The crowd will then storm to some random person's house and then burn it down because they thought little girls were inside yeah but giving one human the power over 750 000 people's lives is less effective than giving those 750 000 people the decision ocasio-cortez represents a district to the federal government she fails to represent them by the way do you know what that means ineffectively

represents do you know what that yeah she people vote her in and then she goes and makes decisions on their behalf. No, no, no. She makes decisions at the federal level that affect the country, not her specific district on these people's behalf. Yes. Okay. So what it sounds like you're not understanding is that when a politician comes out for Congress and says, I'm going to clean up our district and do good. No, you're not. You're going to Congress at the federal level. You're going to vote on war and health care and things that will affect the greater nation. If you want to fix your district, vote locally. But people don't do this anymore.

So she's going to cast a federal vote on like something. Why wouldn't you not just take the tally of those people that she was representing and then cast that as the vote for the federal? Because direct democracy doesn't work. And that's why we have a constitutional republic with democratic constitutional republics don't work yet it's not at this scale it's the best system that the world has devised so far but we can improve it sure but how with technology by but all you're doing is saying i found a new way to do direct democracy which doesn't work well i mean you still have it's like it's like playing among us and then you vote out the person

and then you kill the wrong person. Right, exactly. The new video game called Among Us. Well, it's actually an old video game. You still have communities that have to come together

to vote, but you'd still have, I think, locales of people. We have local politics. We have state-level politics. We have city-level politics. We have county-level politics.

We've got regional. We've got regional coal politics. We have city-level politics. We have county-level politics. We've got regional. We've got regional coalitions between states. And then we have the federal level. Everyone, what's happening in this country right now is the internet has removed localities. Out. They're gone. Local news is gone. Why?

Because I'm just going to go to the New York Times and I'm going to read about Trump. Well, did you know that a water main broke on 37th Street in your small town? And now it's flooding and people are going to national sources for news. They're not talking to their neighbors anymore. They're not voting for local politicians. Corruption will run amok. It's at the local level. The Internet has kind of digitized, in a sense, our political world so that instead of focusing

on my neighbor, you know, threw poop in my yard. I'm angry about this. We should make that illegal. He shouldn't be allowed to do that. And so I'm going to vote for a guy who's going to pass that law to make that illegal. Instead, what's happening is they're like someone's polluting in my in my backyard. It's my neighbor and he dumped a big old bucket of poop. So I'm going to vote for a federal politician to go and vote on whether we should go to

war with it with, you know, Afghanistan has nothing to do with what's happening in your backyard. So what ends up happening is in California, you get one party control because people are like Democrat and the Democrats at the local level do literally nothing. Then they vote for federal level politicians to go do things at the federal government level who don't do anything for California. So San Francisco, for instance, you got Nancy Pelosi. She represents San Francisco to the federal government. She's not going to clean up San Francisco. Her city's in ruins because people don't care.

They don't do anything. You've got a bunch of people that just don't know, don't care, and they're voting D or voting R. And that's where we are headed. That's it. Facebook contributes to that. Yeah, Facebook can influence on a local level. So here's an example. So on September 27, 2019, there was a post post that was given to us as content moderators,

and it was having to do with cops. So if I have a photo of a cop, I post a photo of a cop doing an arrest, all right? I'm standing there watching, take a photo of him, post it on Facebook, and I put the caption, this cop is a pig. Should that be allowed on Facebook? I don't know. But Facebook's policy says if there's a private individual, this cop's not a public figure,

they're not famous. If there's a private individual, I have a photo of them. I cannot compare them to an animal. So that gets deleted no matter what. Really? Yeah. So if I put a photo of someone

who's not famous, like my neighbor, and I say, this person's a pig. If I compare it to an inferior animal, that gets deleted. What's inferior? What animals are inferior? I don't know. What if I say it to an inferior animal, that gets deleted. What's inferior? What animals are inferior?

What if I say it was a grizzly bear? That's probably not inferior. This guy's a grizzly bear. Those are superior. Yeah, those are superior. Are they? Yeah, they are. I'm actually from Alaska, so I take offense to that statement. This guy's a moose. Is a moose inferior? Moose?

Moose? I think he's a moose. I should know that um about giraffe giraffe no because think about it like it's silly right yeah would that be considered an insult i don't know drafts they're pretty they're pretty cool for the moderator and that's how nuanced the policy is and there's a lot of gray area and we try to all align and action things a certain way but this this this exception they said um now for moving forward, as of September 27th, so we're talking about Facebook preventing hate on the platform, right? But here, they're allowing more hate. They're saying, we're going to allow calling cops pigs. And the only reason why was, quote,

that is because of how the term is used in the NA market, North American market. So that was the justification for the decision to allow more attacks on cops the only way that post of a facebook of a cop getting called a pig the only way it could get taken down is if that cop went to every single post and reported it himself with a name face match well then so yeah we're gonna go super chats okay because we went a little yeah well you know these things gotta flesh this local democracy thing out oh yeah that's right not curtis says i want to vote trump mainly in spite of the media and democrats but also because of the peace deals however i can't stand him when words are coming out of his mouth i'm so with you dude not like my vote matters i live in california your vote definitely matters in california if every single republican and in every jurisdiction voted they

would probably beat every Democrat. This is what people don't realize about AOC. When she won, I think she got like 180,000 votes, and there's something like 200,000 Republicans. If every Republican went out and voted, they'd win. And then the whole district would be like, how did this happen? Well, it's because people voted. But people don't actually vote. So, you know, we'll see how things play out. I tell you what, I hear you. vote if you want to vote but your vote matters wherever you are the only reason your vote doesn't matter is because people think it doesn't matter so they don't vote you gotta be enfranchised

el diablo says early voting is for chumps change my mind sure but democrats are winning right now and that's going to rile them up dude maybe. Biden said that he's going to end the oil industry. He did. And all those people that voted for him that are like, what? What? Imagine you voted early in Pennsylvania and you're like, I don't like Trump. And then Biden comes out a week later. By the way, you should have waited for the debate because I'm going to end the oil industry.

And you're like, I'm going to lose my job. Can I change my vote? Apparently, people were Google searching change vote like crazy and they were google searching change vote to republican like crazy wow joe biden said he's gonna end the oil industry he said a lot of stupid stuff last night that's crazy yeah i think trump did a good job in in playing to you know trying to get biden riled up and towards the last half hour biden was i think he was losing some steam he was stuttering a little bit more rio grande i think he was stuttering in that rio grande so yeah i think um i think a lot of people are gonna want to change their votes hydro says tim you say you get more views than cnn and other

main you say you get more views than cnn and other mainstream media and if that is so why would so many people not know about hunter's laptop i have never said that i said i get around 55 percent of cnn's views on youtube only but youtube with their tv views and youtube views combined is like three or four times the views i get still you know it's not bad for that for for my channels yeah go away says tim look up the great reset biden's talking points are coming from the world economic forum and klaus schwab i do not know who that is but i'll check it out katie says tim we don't always agree but at least you are a journalist that is researching both sides to get the truth. We need more journalists like you.

Appreciate it. Let's see. There's a you are amazing emoji. I like that. Alright, let's see. Aaron Freeman says, PA court side to the Democrats. Signatures don't have to match. Opening door to full fraud like Al Franken and the pizza box missing votes that made their way for

Obamacare yep we are going to have one heck of a wild ride on the uh in about 10 days it's gonna be fun also don't forget to smash the like button if you haven't already i really appreciate it let's see zerg says biden you should have told americans the truth don't panic trump do you remember the toilet paper with the, the panic? Here we go. The Flaming Gamer says, Caitlin Bennett meme appears to be a lie.

The oldest post I can find of the image is on Reddit in a random post completely unrelated to Bennett. Yeah. That's why you just, I tell people, like, just don't care about what they say because they're making things up. Like, what are you going to do? People are going to post fake stuff. Let them post fake stuff.

Yeah. Charming Person says, I had a vision. Biden and Putin were attempting to resurrect Stalinalin but failed the spirit of marx talking through aoc told them they'd been lacking two ingredients two bins seed and trump's blood that thank you for that i appreciate it that's a great great dream dream dan larkin says tim you're wrong about conservative prominence on facebook jeremy boring ceo of daily wire did a video about this just two days ago on the Daily Wire YouTube channel. I highly suggest you all watch it.

I'll check it out. Jeremy's smart. He didn't go to high school or he didn't graduate, I don't think. Let's see. Timothy Barsotti says censorship has seemed to backfire because of the Streisand effect. So why do they keep censoring posts? Are they too stupid, arrogant, or are they actively helping some of these stories gain legs? That's a good point.

That's a valid point. What do you think? Like, let's ban this so that people hear about it. I know, right? Like when they banned InfoWars, it was like an emergency update. Yeah, who knows? Noni Perry says, the problem with the Expensify email is that as an employee, I have to use that. My employer mandates it.

So when I get that email, the hand of my own employer is complicit in the political message. Yeah, I'd be livid. I'd quit. If like I work for a company and they're like, we're going to issue a big message about Biden. I'd be like, I'll walk out that door and then do it. Okay, later. And I'll walk out the door. Whatever, man.

What's funny, Tim, is one of my trainers, when I first started as a content moderator, one of my trainers was openly first started it as a content moderator one of my trainers was openly uh open about our political views she said that obama was her patronus charm oh what read another book oh my gosh i hate it so much millennials are like i read harry potter once and the hunger game that totally ruins harry potter for him seriously what is this uh royal canadian moose says prepare to put on your tinfoil hats, folks. What if book sales and speaking engagements are how they launder money to the corrupt politicians? Let's be real. How many people would read, let alone pay for something Joe Biden wrote?

I mean, that's not even a conspiracy theory. You have warehouses full of books. They'll write a book. Someone will buy, you know, 500,000 and they'll say it's for an event or something they'll put in a warehouse and then that money goes to the publisher and you get a percentage yep and they can charge like whatever they want for speeches i think hillary clinton was like a hundred thousand dollars a speech or something i think she's gotten down a lot in value and by the way it's him i am working on a book it's going to be called the behind the mask of facebook

and so it should be coming out in the next couple months. Oh, nice. That's going to be awesome. You mentioned an organization you had too. What is that? Yeah, so the Hartwig Foundation for Free Speech is an Arizona nonprofit corporation I formed last month. And so I'm trying to get 501c3 status. But you can go to ryanhartwig.org and learn more about it. But yeah, I'm looking to just be more active

and be an activist as far as big tech goes and censorship worry about it but uh yeah for i looked i'm looking to just be more active and and being activists as far as you know big tech goes and censorship because i feel like this even if you know whoever wins in the in the next couple weeks whether it's trump or biden we need to still need people to speak out about censorship definitely justin gunnick gunning says actually you can change your vote if you vote again it just deletes the first vote cast. Look into this. Encourage voters to change to Trump. I believe that is 100% incorrect and do not vote twice.

That's super illegal. Yeah. Yeah. Super illegal. Don't do that. You should look into it, though, if you're interested. Yeah. We'll figure out how you need to go about the rules properly to make sure your vote is accurately cast.

If, you know, whatever happens, just talk to your people, but don't vote twice. Consult your local election officials. Yeah, exactly. Don't take advice from us or anybody in the super chats or facebook yeah exactly claymore says if president trump were to get the nobel prize and you were invited to the dinner would you wear a suit i'm betting on not i would not wear a suit would you wear a beanie yes i would i would go wearing my clothes and i would say dude i got invited to the Clinton Foundation Gala, Black Tie Affair. And I said, I'm not wearing a black tie. And they said, you can't come. I said, I'm not coming.

And I did not go. Could you imagine that? They invited me to that thing. And I was like, no. You can't make me do it. Come on, man. Talk about like, I wonder if I could have got, you know, I would make tons of connections, tons of high profile personalities, schmooze with all these big wigs and millionaires probably give me money and do these things.

I'm like, OK, I'm not going to wear your clothes. Got here. The African says, hey, Chad's and less out of everything from last night's debate. There was one thing that stuck with me. Trump's been busting his butt making peace deals across the globe. What the hell is Biden thinking, saying that all that crap he did about North Korea? Does he want war? Yes. kim jong-un to hitler so now if he gets elected we're gonna have no relationship with north korea at all talk about making everything worse not only that biden

said we had a good relationship like with hitler are you nuts talk about a moron they tried to before uh he invaded the sudetenland they gave him neville chamberlain they called it appeasement they were sure sure everyone actually his time man of the year hitler yeah and it was a 33 i think something that was 33 yeah yeah the world loves him at first oh yeah all right let's see what is this anyone uh kyle says anyone checking out their local trump donators i'm two doors down from a proud 9k woman. 9K. You can't donate that much. Oh, actually, yeah. Over the years, you can. Thinking of dropping off some flowers

and a friendly warning about the website. IDK about presentation since I don't want to spook or probably a bad idea. If people's private information gets released, you should not be acting upon it in any way. I would not appreciate that. Keep reading your thoughts. That's something that I also concur with. There are some people in my video release,

I obviously filmed my coworkers and their names were, first and last names were released. And one of my coworkers actually, sorry, one of my coworkers actually was talking about how she wanted to accept the Iran bounty, the $180 million from Iran to assassinate Trump.

And she was speaking about that. And people, i don't encourage doxing at all so i mean it's it's horrible that she uh you know she got some hate for that but i think understand that's understandable to start but in any other country if you were speaking out against someone the president uh the state might take action so i think i don't know if the security service investigated those claims but you know that i think privacy is very important we shouldn't dox people that's also part of facebook's policy it's a re-invented other policy trunk driver says tim how could you support trump when he tried to coup venezuela and he is sanctioning iran and staying in syria for the oil and printing money like a madman and expanding big brother so my understanding about the venezuela

coup thing is, I think you're referring to those guys who got captured. Like they were trying to, they showed up on some boats and got caught. Is he talking about Juan Guaido? So Juan Guaido is supposedly going to run against for election. And then, but you need to know that every single Latin American country, except for maybe Mexico supported Juan Guaido as the legitimate president of venezuela

is a disaster it's an absolute disaster like i've been to venezuela they got no food i went there and there's there's wealthier areas but man some of these these pro-venezuela journalists put out these potemkin village pieces and i'm like dude i went to the malls there it was crazy yeah just empty stores everywhere yeah the theory is that the American sanctions caused the government to crumble and then they blamed it on Maduro. B.S. B.S. They nationalized – I think they recently – not recently, but nationalized airlines or like – so all the airlines leave. Dude, if you've got a company doing a service and you're like, oh, by the way, we're taking that company, they're like, I'm out later.

And then here's what happens every time with socialists you get a bunch of farmers right and they're like farmers shouldn't own farms so we're seizing your farm and we're going to put the workers in charge and the workers are like i don't know i'm not around a farm and then they run out of food that's what happens they're like we're going to take over the oil industry that way the government gets all the profits good luck running running the oil industry. You have no idea how to do it. So they don't. And then. Yeah.

Anyway, I want to answer this. Not to get into Venezuela politics. I don't know enough about the coup of Venezuela, but I'm not a fan if that's the case. And that's a good point of criticism. Sanctioning Iran. I'm not opposed to sanctions. I think sanctions are an excellent way of going about putting pressure on foreign countries instead of going to war. Staying in Syria for the oil, as far as I know, Trump tried leaving completely and he got he got attacked by the left and the right, Democrats and Republicans trying to stop him from doing it. So then he just blatantly was like, OK, we're going to keep him there to guard the oil.

And I think he did that as kind of a smack in the face to the establishment. I'm going to let everybody know exactly what we're doing there that I like, though I would like our troops to be gone from there. He's printing money like a madman and that's horrible. And expanding Big Brother. I don't know in which what reference expanding Big Brother is, but I'll tell you this. How can I vote for him? Banning critical race theory, shutting down the violent leftist riots for historic peace agreements, withdrawing troops in the Middle East. I'll take it over Joe Biden, who would do. Listen, Trump's not great. We've got a lot of bad things about him. But Joe Biden, we had eight years of Obama. And what do we get? More war, an escalation. And then they handed off this conflict to Donald Trump. Kids in cages. Obama. So so so listen, if listen, I don't like voting for the lesser of two evils

and i said over and over again that i wouldn't vote for trump if that was the case but i don't think trump is the lesser of two evils at this point i think he's kind of okay i'll take four historic peace agreements i'm happy with that can i can i interject my two thoughts my two thoughts my two cents i literally have two thoughts and then we can kind of wrap up the reason i'm voting for trump is because um i don't care about deficit anymore. That used to be one of my biggest issues. My biggest issue is the pursuit of human life, which is very, very important to me. And that extends to the Middle East, which is Tim's deal. So I just want to let you guys know, if you are concerned about the deficit and the cost, it's more important that we have a country

to worry about the deficit for than we don't yeah i really i i think we're we're facing dire straits no matter what yeah but uh we've got but banning critical race theory these are these are some of the things that need to happen that i think we'll start reversing the problem so i think trump will be a net positive in the long run lawson harrison says get ryan dawson on your show asap don't buy into the crap spewed about him being a loon or whatever he is a wealth of knowledge in the middle east and everything relevant about politics i do not know who he is we look him up regon says hey tim thank you for keeping journalism alive don't always agree but we both know uh and i can't say that name unar says az boys are in the house another note the downhill skate scene is super far left because they are a bunch of college kids who complain about

capitalism and afro individuals who think we are freaking nuts doing 60 miles an hour downhill on pieces of wood with wheels. I'll tell you this, it seems like pro skateboarders either don't care or are right-leaning. Like, I've got people hitting me up.

Yeah, man. Skateboarders. Yeah, I think you were talking about that in one of the previous shows. You were talking about... It's not the right-leaning. It's that whatever's happening right now, you've got people hitting me up. Yeah, man. Skateboarders. Yeah, I think you were talking about that in one of the previous shows. You were talking about... You know, it's not the right leaning. It's that whatever's happening right now, you've got people who are left libertarian joining the ranks of the right. That's why I'm really annoyed when everyone's like, Antifa's left libertarian. No, they aren't.

They're violent authoritarians. They go around beating people to instill their will on them. Yeah. That's not libertarian at all. No, the left libertarians are like leave me alone man i want to go skate you know like dude skateboarders will work minimum minimum wage jobs so they can rent a one bedroom bedroom apartment with five people living in it so that they can all work one day a week and skate the rest of the week that's super left

libertarians the hippie as you get these people are all like, wow, these people are crazy. They should leave me alone. I just want to skate. So they're like, I'm getting hit up by these people like crazy. Yeah. Let's see. Alternative JK says,

Biden mentioned in debates while VP, China was defending South Korea from North Korea. If true, this raises questions if presidency is in ties with the South Korean president. In fact, the South Korean government is proposing their green new deal interesting trunk driver says what about trump betraying assange what about stephen miller having ties to v dare what do you

think of stephen miller and v dare bro i don't know a whole lot about v dare at all well i don't know yeah i was just gonna say well ecuador betrayed Assange, right? Because they. Oh, yeah, because the new president came in and then they. Yeah, they wouldn't let him stay in the. Yes, you are correct. Trump. I wouldn't say Trump betrayed Assange. I would say Trump is enacting standard foreign policy against the man, which is wrong. And he should pardon him. But I think Trump's perspective on this is Julian Assange knows exactly what happened

with WikiLeaks and the Democrat emails and whether or not a particular individual was a source. I think Trump made the wrong move. I think Trump should have just pardoned Assange and then hoped for the best. Instead, what we know, at least according to a lot of this testimony and stories that have come out, Trump wanted Assange to say who was behind the leaks because Trump knows it wasn't Russia. And Assange could prove it wasn't Russia. And because Assange doesn't want to compromise his organization and his sources won't reveal that information.

And think about, I think trump's view is if julian assange came out and just said who the source was it would it would cripple the establishment politicians in this country and their entire narrative would i think they'd be like he's lying and then the media would just be like he's lying he's lying he's lying probably and he'd bury his organization for no reason. That's why Trump played the wrong move. Yeah. And Trump should pardon him. I don't know much about Stephen Miller or whatever. Daniel Irving says, love the show, Tim.

Please shout out the fundraiser I'm helping produce tomorrow. It's for DMD. Details on Facebook at Inspiration on Wheels. Six-hour live show. Thank you. There you go. Okay. We're getting a bunch of super chats popping in now. We will read just a couple more uber chat uber chat how do you say chat in

german i don't know let's find out ellia says support you tim thank you for your daily segments trump 2020 appreciate it jath tech says i wrote an article for you here's an excerpt the polls are a way to put a blinder over the eyes of the american people so they are shocked they gave them a catastrophe they never saw coming and they went to war austin trammell says my friend just told me she's voting for biden because trump bad she can't name a thing he has done bad other than media talking points how can i possibly change her mind i don't want her to vote away her rights let me tell you all persuasion 101 in persuasion the first thing you you you never do is 101 in persuasion. The first thing you, you, you never do is approach someone as an adversary. The first thing you need to do is rapport. So when you're

talking to someone like, uh, Ryan here, you're, you're, you're right-leaning. Are you going to vote for Trump? Yeah. So if I didn't want you to vote for Trump, the first thing you do, it's, it's the basics of persuasion is rapport extreme. In turn, the first thing is I would be like, yeah, bro, high five. Like I'm, I'm all about it. You know, Trump 2020, all that stuff. Rapport immediately makes the other person feel comfortable around you. Like they're like me and I'm safe to psychological tribalist function of the human mind or whatever. The second thing you do is called the extreme. After you agree with them, you offer up a positive proposition that is too extreme for them to agree with.

You say something like the reason you're voting for Donald Trump is because he committed atrocity and you love that he committed atrocity. And then this other person will be like, oh, no, that's that's I'm not all about that. Then you give them the turn, which is you say, well, OK, well, I mean, fine, I guess that one's bad, but he's still pretty good. What you've done there is, as a friend, you've gotten them to reject their own opinion, or at least a portion of it. You can never convince someone overnight. These people have been inundated by media over and over again and propaganda. So that will never just change their

mind outright. But that's like, it's part of sales. When we used to do fundraising for nonprofits, the smart people who are good at it, they understood these concepts. It's one of the reasons I hated doing this job because it just became plastic. You're not actually talking to people and explaining what you think and what you want to do. But the gist of it is you tell them you respect them. Yeah, Biden's great. All that good stuff. Then you say something that Biden's done and you say either.

You know what? I'm glad that he was cutting deals with these Chinese companies. You know, I mean, like, think about it. It's going to if our president is indebted to the Chinese Communist Party, there won't be a war. And you guys read about Thucydides trap, right? I understand they're, you know, they're torturing the Uyghur Muslims and all that stuff. So that kind of extreme position and you can get really extreme with it will'll make the average person be like i don't agree with that and then you say okay well i guess biden's not that great but i mean i still like him and then you make the other person change their mind it's a manipulation thing i'm

not actually recommending doing it it's just something i have to explain because it's what the non-profits do that's like the key function of how non-profits fundraise yep nice to be a director one of these companies all right at a bunch of them actually kargoosh says tim do you think the durham report will yield any significant indictments i do not i think everyone's getting all riled up just like they did the left with russiagate and it's going to result in nothing uh let's see we got a couple more let's see jason savorn says why not address today's media strategy of propaganda being similar to the strategies used by joseph gobel in ushering hitler to power i mean is it gerbils gerbils yeah is it similar i don't know gerbils oh i i said that he invaded the sudetenland i want to take that back neville chamberlain gave

hitler of the sudetenland when then he invaded poland everybody to warn him all right let's see nate says hey tim and crew longtime fans to occupy i would love to see dylan radigan on your show i would too but he retired. He's a farmer now. Oh, man. Damn it. Trump driver says, Thanks for answering and not running. Much respect for that.

VDare is a straight up neo-Nazi newsletter. Trump top eight has ties to VDare and Richard Spencer, another one of Trump's people. Julia Hahn also has ties. You know, I don't know anything about that. Toys Read Book says, would you guys support a and completely a completely verified social platform where only people identified identified to open but can have whatever handle only one account um i'm down for whatever but i mean like it's all about critical mass for these platforms otherwise no one wants to come on them so it's like linked to your

government id basically yeah like you don't have one account? Yeah. I don't know. I don't want the government having access to this. Because at some point, the government would have to have access to your social media account. And then that's just kind of a slippery slope. We were talking about anonymous social media thing where you have peer verification. Where you'll have like, if enough people can say like, oh yeah, this account likes dogs. This account likes video games. Then when you, you say,

if this is who you are, they can see that, you know, 70 of your, of your peers have acknowledged that you are who you say you are without ever having to acknowledge who you are. Okay. All right.

Here's the last one. Um, let's see. What is that one? Is it the last one? The last super chat man spider says Aiden Paladin needs to come on the show. Um, I know Aiden,

I will reach out to Aiden Paladin and we'll see what happens very cool that being said hey ryan thanks for joining us yeah thanks for having me yeah great conversation we we didn't go through most of your notes you got a ton but it was good anyway something in particular you wanted to mention um i saw you looking at your notes at one point i mean i came a little bit over prepared there's so much there i mean there's so much evidence i mean the the video you saw with project veritas was just like scratching the surface there and there were some conversations i wanted to include in the video that didn't make it into the video but just the last thing i want to say it's kind of funny is um this is a post from uh october 17th so zuckerberg mark zuckerberg

gave a speech at georgetown university this past october or a year ago um and so they gave us instructions like heads up Mark Zuckerberg live speech. He's going to underscore the company's commitment to giving people a voice dot, dot, dot. And then that same paragraph they're telling us, but due to the nature of this commentary of feedback, we may see escalations or an increase in user reports of hate speech.

They wanted to provide a heads up on this. So like, Hey, Zuckerberg's going to talk about giving people a voice. Make sure you delete any hate speech. So, I mean, it just shows you where their heart is. They're really not concerned about giving people a voice. Well, free speech is bad.

So the left would report him for saying free speech. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway, man, thanks for joining us. Do you have a social media you want to mention or anything? So Twitter is at RealRyanHartwig and then also on Instagram, same hash same uh handle and then i'm also on gab and parlor and you can go to ryanhartwig.org is my domain right on man thanks for joining us thanks and of course you can uh follow me on youtube at youtube.com slash timcast and youtube.com slash timcast news my

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