Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #157 - Riots Erupt, Jack Murphy ATTACKED By Antifa In DC, Riots Continue EVERYWHERE

Episode Date: October 29, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and recurring guest Jack Murphy (@JackMurphyLive on Twitter, YouTube) sit down to figure out why Antifa wants to pick on Jack in DC and rioting in Philadelphia, the rioting propensities in the US that might push Pennsylvania, and what the election might do, election triggers, Venezuela and  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last night in Washington, D.C., Philadelphia and New York City, Antifa, Black Lives Matter go crazy, blowing up things, burning down buildings, smashing windows, looting stores, rioting again, all over again. Now, just a few days away from the election. What triggered it? Who knows? Why couldn't they wait? Why couldn't they wait? What's going on? Why is the police department in Washington, D.C. under attack right now? Why are people looting? Why are people driving their cars through police lines twice? Why are stores being looted? Why are people wheeling away washers and dryers on dollies out of Wal-Mart? How many Wal-Marts do we need to loot until we've reached racial equality? Tim, Ian, these are the questions that were facing us tonight. I was thinking seven, too.

Seven. Seven. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I don't know. I think we just need to loot a few more Walmarts, maybe a Best Buy, if those things even exist. Circuit City? Yeah, of course. Anybody ever heard of Circuit City? Oh, yeah.

Maybe they should loot a Blockbuster, and that will close the loop on this entire thing. There's one. There's one. One left. They did this really cool thing where they made a 90s style room and you could airbnb it and so there was like 90s era snacks and like a tv it gave me a really good idea for a business where you create uh different era airbnbs like you get like a warehouse or like a multi-unit building

and you got a 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and 2010s style place. And then it's like you spend a night in a place. Imagine this. You go into like the 80s room, and the TV is on a loop, a 24-hour playlist of a bunch of different channels. You literally like see what's on MTV. Nice. Could you go to like the porn channel? It's blurry. I should.

Remember that? When you didn't pay for it, it was all green and red. You'd have actual snacks from that red. Yeah. We would have. You'd have actual snacks from that era. Like combos. Combos. Combos. Combos are from the 90s.

I have five boxes of combos. Yeah, we know. We looked at them. In the pantry downstairs. It looks like a combos outlet store. I thought I was buying 10 bags for the party. I bought 10 cases on accident. When I walked in the door here, that was the first thing I had to see was the combos for life.

Combos Castle, baby. That's what we're calling this place. I hope enough people show up to eat them all. I had half a bag. Be careful with those. They're crackers. High quality food product. Anyway,

we had Jack just do that opening shout out because jack got attacked by antifa in his own neighborhood what and uh dude totally dude so i have been doing on the street reporting right in the riots in dc end of may throughout june a little bit in july go downtown watch and observe the looting the arson the vandalism the destruction the assaults on police officers well Well, let's go through it. We're going to go through it. Yeah, I'll just do the normal intro plug and then we'll throw it right to you.

All right. So subscribe, the notification bell, we're live. Hit the like button, all that stuff. Jack's doing the intro because Jack's the one who got to face that. And I will mention, too, we had anti-fascist socialist Vosh just here the other day sitting in that very chair. I can tell. And you noticed there was a water bottle there. Somebody left a pallet of water bottles here for us.

And you were like, you gave a water bottle to anti-fascists? It's like it's their source of power. Did you get hit in the head? No, Vosh was all right. We did not. We had a long, it was like four hours. That's what I heard. But anyway, so we threw it to you to open because riots are breaking out right now right now that's crazy i mean i i i just finished dinner

and you're you show up and you're like and the rights are happening now i was like wow dude yeah well that's that's kind of what happened to me so let's let's do this so it's now the third night of the reignition of of protests and it's and it's what we got uh what is it to washington dc new york and philadelphia yeah east coast wave you live there yeah they surrounded you of protests. And it's, we got, what is it, Washington, D.C., New York, and Philadelphia. Yeah. East Coast wave. You live there.

Yeah. They surrounded you. They attacked you. Tell me what happened, brother. So just like you were eating dinner tonight and you didn't know the riots were going on, same thing happened to me

last night. I'm just hanging out with my family. We're having dinner. I hear a helicopter overhead hanging really low. I go on Twitter. I check it out.

It turns out that a Black Lives Matter protest riot had tried to lay siege to the fourth district police department in Washington, D.C. And so I'm eating dinner. I'm hearing the helicopters. I'm with my kids. I read Twitter real quick. I'm like, oh, my God, they're doing it again. And this time walking distance from my neighborhood, walking distance from my house. So I jump out. I'm like, guys, I'm out. I got to go. Kids are kind of used to this by now that he's got to go to work. So I jump out and I run up to Georgia Avenue where the fourth district police department was. And I get there and there's

already hundreds of riot cops out. I go up to the police station and they've already had bashed in numbers of windows on the first floor and the second floor. Apparently they attempted to sort of run in and take over the police, the police department there. And things were kind of chilling out a little bit. And I was walking around and sort of filming and I took a couple good pictures and I was done filming. I was just standing there and these, these like four Antifa kids all in their black gear with their matching pink, matching pink gas mask that they all ordered off the Antifa wish list that they have on Amazon. Yeah, they do. And they were like a little team. They come up to me, and this guy's like, this is our space. You have to leave. Our space.

What? This is our space. You have to leave. And funny enough, I was actually just getting ready to go, but then when an Antifa guy comes up to me and tells me it's time to leave, what am I going to say? So all of a sudden, I'm staying. I'm like, no, there's no way i'm going anywhere and so they try to push me around for a little bit and bully me out of there two three four five of them come up and i'm not going anywhere and it kind of

diffuses for a second and i'm just hanging out a little bit more and then they come up to me again and then there's like a group of four and then five and then six and then ten and then there's like 20 of them and now i'm surrounded by antifa i'm surrounded by sort of black lives matter type people just sort of random street thugs are there and they they circle and they circle me and they're screaming at me they're saying you know white people don't belong in this city get out of here you're a gentrifier and i tried to engage with them i tried to have a conversation i'm like man you got the wrong guy i spent 10 years helping african-american kids in this city turn around public charter schools trying to sort of explain you know i'm like, man, you got the wrong guy. I spent 10 years helping African-American kids in this city, turn around public charter schools, trying to sort of explain, you know,

I'm like, Hey, I'm here. And they're like, but what, whose side are you on? Whose side are you on? Whose side are you on, man? And in my head, I'm thinking, okay, got to say nothing. If I say I'm on their side, just to diffuse, it's going to like start to rewire my own brain. This is the reason why they do struggle sessions. So I'm like, forget it. I don't say anything. More and more people come up and I'm starting to get nervous at this point. And there's probably 20 or so people. I walk slowly towards the police line as they are pushing me and pushing me.

And there's probably 20 or 30 people at this point. There's individual young black men just staring me in the eyes with these like very angry angry just just intense eyes are just waiting to pounce on me they're getting up in my face that i pull out my camera i start to record then the umbrellas come out right so there's like umbrellas all around me all in my face you can see it on my video if you go to jack murphy live on twitter you can see the periscope that i did last night and you can hear the vile things that they're saying to me white people get out of here you and you can hear the vile things that they're saying to me. White people get out of here.

You don't belong here. All kinds of nasty stuff. They're screaming at me to stop recording. This is our space. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. And then like another four or five guys show up that look like they were ready to go.

Okay. And that's when I started to think, oh man, I'm actually, I'm actually in a little bit of trouble here. And right as the energy was peaking, right as it looked like I was probably about ready to get, like, literally jumped by 30 guys, I feel somebody grab me from behind. They grab my belt, and they just yank me back, like, 20 feet. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. The cops.

How tall are you? I'm 6'4", 250. Exactly. Okay. So they came up behind me, SWAT team, assault rifle, the whole thing. Sorry, guys, not an assault rifle. It's a rifle that looks like you're right. So they grabbed me by the belt, and they yanked me through, and all of a sudden, boom, I'm back behind the police line.

I'm like, oh, God, I got my hands up. I'm like, I'm complying. I'm complying. And they were like, you got any weapons on you? No. And then they walked me back, and they're like, dude, we just saved you. Yeah, man. They said that. They're like, yeah, it was about you? No. And then they walked me back and they're like, dude, we just saved you. They said that.

They're like, yeah, it was about, you were about ready to get just jumped right then. And they saved me after I was protesting their protest. I'm like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm holding my ground. They kept saying, this is our city. I'm like, dude, I have lived here for 30 years. I live walking distance from here. My kids go to school in the city and you're going to tell me it's not my town.

And that's what this whole thing is, right? It's like, this is our space. This is our space. You can't be in our space. They don't live there. These little Antifa guys, I can see their eyes. And it's so weird when everybody has masks on because you really can see their eyes and you can see the intensity in their eyes and you can see the anger and the seething rage. And the funny thing that I noticed is that when you refuse to bow to their intimidation, it just makes them so

mad. That's what they want. What they're looking for is they want to know that you know they've caused you pain. Yep. And if you don't experience pain or acknowledge it, because it's not just about being hurt. It's about them knowing you know they hurt you. They want you to be like, that was me. I did that yep

They wanted to bully me out of my own town out of my own city So what you said that it rewires your own brain to acknowledge that you're on there. That's so it's true It is true It's the whole point of the struggle sessions is to get you to say things that you don't believe in and then you start believing It what is a struggle session? I've never heard Oh struggle session I believe it comes from communist China where they went into the countryside and around and they just gathered up everybody who wasn't, you know, with the communist effort. And they made them, you know, swear fealty and like do all these things. I'm not an expert on it.

But I know that the intention there is to rewire your brain and break down your defenses by getting you to repeat things that, A, you know are not true. And then, B, that are in line with the authoritarian or totalitarian state that's trying to control you. And when I refused to do it, dude, they flipped. They thought that they were going to bully me. Now, I had run into a guy that I knew from Twitter there, and he is much smaller than me, and we got separated, and he did get assaulted. He got headbutted and punched and chased out, and he ran. He ran the other way. Well, I drifted towards the police. And I kind of knew the whole time the cops were there. Right.

So, like, I'm surrounded by all these people and they're screaming at me and cussing at me and threatening me. I'm like, the police are right there. If they assault me, the cops will be on this and it'll be just fine. And they just kept pushing and pushing and pushing. But the cops surprised me when they grabbed me and just yanked me through. And all of a sudden I'm on the other side of the police line. And that's when they all fought over there. Like, oh, he's a cop. He's a cop. He's a cop. Yeah. He's like, I mean, I love my law enforcement officers and friends and family and all that. But like, I grew up not being a big fan of police. When when when someone who is over

six feet tall and what you said, 250. Yeah. They automatically assume you must be a cop no matter what. Right. That's the thing. So there's also i guess people are saying there's audio issues i don't know we literally just guys literally no idea how it just like instantly the other day just the audios went drop cat and we're like i have no idea what it is cat pulled it out i think yeah the cat like jiggled a cord or something that was a really there's a really funny moment where the cameras started shaking like crazy and we were were like, whoa, what's happening? And she was like scratching herself and hitting the camera. Oh, my God. Anyway, the – yeah, so there have been a bunch of instances.

There were viral videos of like three guys who were wearing combat boots or like some kind of work boots, and then they got pointed out. This was like a big protest that happened in Toronto, and they were like, those guys are cops. This is proof. So there's tons of instances where regular-looking guys who might wear – I mean, let me stop for a second. You know how in D.C. everybody wears the same kind of North Face stuff? Yeah. It's like anybody who knows D.C. knows what I'm talking about. You go to these – like wherever you go, everyone's wearing North Face jackets and khakis, and it's like the same outfit or the same style.

They'll see someone like that and think they clearly aren't one of us. You're a cop. You're a cop. You don't fit in. And it's like a regular dude like eating nachos at a Mexican restaurant and they start screaming, you're a cop. Like you were at a restaurant. Is that what you're doing?

No, I was at home. This is how close it was to me is that I heard the cop chopper. The cop chopper. Cop chopper? Cop chopper. Can we edit that out somehow? I love it. The cop chopper. We're chopter? Cop chopter. Can we edit that out somehow? No, I love it. The cop chopter.

We're keeping it. The police helicopter hovering basically over my house. And when I saw that there was this happening right in my neighborhood, I just jumped up. I literally left my dinner on the table and I had to go. I got to bring it back to the intro. So why are they out there? In Washington, D.C. dc in particular was because of this one incident where a black kid was on a moped without a helmet the cops saw him flipped on

the lights because it's illegal and instead of talking to the cops he sped off on the moped so now he's like a fugitive running away from the cops so the cops chased him and as they're chasing him he gets hit by another car whoa third car and he ends up dying right when they blame the cops for that this is like two or three nights ago yeah they blame the cops for that and it's a tragedy it sucks when somebody gets killed obviously you know but if the guy just would have stood there he would have been fine it's not the police fault so instead they use this they don't it doesn't matter what the reason is they're always just looking for any reason any reason to rile people up and so when i

was there i noticed it was just sort of like regular townsfolk let's say and then the black lives matter banner showed up and then the antifa crew showed up and then you could just tell like the the medics were there and then all of a sudden you could tell that they had like rallied the troops to come all the way uptown this is is not downtown. This is not by the main protest zone. This is not by the White House. This is not where any, really, of this has been going on, which is why I was so incensed. I had actually decided to leave the street reporting up to fearless people like Shelby Talcott and Elijah Schaefer. D.C. Right Squad.

Yeah. They do a tremendous job, and they're out there, but they have a little bit of a different demo than I do. I've got three kids and a family and the whole thing. And it's like I have to stop putting myself in danger like that. But this was in my neighborhood. Elijah Schaefer got punched in the face. Oh, he got bloodied up. Yeah, man.

We had Elijah on the show, what, was it a month ago? A few weeks ago, yeah. A few weeks ago? No, more than that. More than that. It was like a month ago. Two at least. So he's another one of these dudes who goes out there and does this reporting i saw a video where he was like his face was swollen and he was bleeding

and he was still reporting yeah i'm like geez dude go to the hospital get some stitches yeah he's hardcore he's hardcore i think he's having fun doing that i'd have never met him but like the vibe i get when he posts the pictures and the tweets about him getting beat up or punched whatever i kind of i get the sense that it doesn't bother, you know, there's a there's there's this thing I heard about firefighters who wish for fires. Wow. It's it's true, though, because so so my dad was a firefighter and he explained to me that some people get this thing where they get depressed when they're not doing something like their job is to help people and save lives. And then they go weeks with like no fire or no real calls and they feel useless so they start wishing for fires like inside in their own minds like i want that fire i want to run in and that's a scary thought because

they're like they want the destruction but because they're it reminds me of like the dogs on 9-11 you know you know about the dogs on 9-11? No. They would have to bury themselves and then have the dogs find them because the dogs were getting demoralized by not finding the bodies. Oh, wow. So they would have to pretend to do it to give the dog, like, because it's a feeling everybody gets when they feel like they're not doing anything, not helping, not being useful. Yeah. So I can relate to this story. One of the reasons why I stopped going out on the street as much is because I found myself hoping that something terrible would happen. And that's a bad feeling. Like I didn't, I didn't like it.

I don't want to hope that ever. Right. So I would go out and if nothing bad happened, I would say publicly like, Oh, this is great. Thank God. Nothing bad happened. But in my mind, I'm like, Hey, I'm coming out here to work. Like, where is it? You know? And I didn't like that feeling at all. Journalism in general is a tough job because if bad stuff doesn't happen, what's the news? Like, good news doesn't really fly. It's not bleeding. It's not bleeding. Dude, have you guys seen Bruce Almighty?

No. No. You've not seen it? Well, the movie. The movie, Bruce Almighty. It's where Jim Carrey is a local news reporter and they're like, go do the cookie story, the world's biggest cookie. And he's like, come on, man man and he really wants to be an anchor and so the movie is basically he's

complaining about life he blames god for everything so god morgan freeman grants him the powers of god and says you be god and then what does he do he starts making like meteors crash into the earth his like they find jimmy hoffa's grave or whatever he's making all this crazy sensational news that he is right there for he falsely frames his rival news team for having a bunch of pot in their car and they get arrested by the feds like totally the russians super brutal but like i think that that's it's i know it's a fictional movie but it's a play on an idea we know they call him mr exclusive because he was finding all of those big breaking news stories of shocking explosions and drug busts so yeah if it bleeds it leads bad bad bad news doesn't sell the movie nightcrawler was like dude that movie's so good

jill and hall have you seen nightcrawler i haven't i i have some i have some pop culture deficiencies i'll admit that but night nightcrawler is a movie for anybody who agrees with Trump on fake news. If you've seen Trump say the fake news and you're like, that's right. Go watch Nightcrawler. And I can't believe there's not more lefties who are like, that movie is awful. That making journalists look like sociopaths. Because the dude in the movie, It's so good, dude. Long story short, I don't want to ruin the movie.

It's about a sociopath who figures out he can make money selling. If it bleeds, it leads. So take that basically all. It's such a good movie, man, because it's not like it's a murder or anything. Kind of. You got to see the movie. I don't want to spoil for people, but it's so good. He's legit trying to like, I don't want to ruin the movie i don't want to spoil for people but it's it's so good he's he's legit trying to like i don't want to ruin the movie don't ruin it but journalists who want to make

the story happen essentially yeah you know they they know well i mean you have every incentive in the world to make that happen fame power money reputation career stability i mean if you that's how you make your money then of course you're going to want to see that happen. Fortunately, the cops and the firemen don't get paid for crime and fires necessarily. Cops do have a quota. Quotas are very weird. Like you've got to find the guys that break the law or you're going to get in trouble with your department. So they're out there making it happen. They claim there's no quotas, right? They say over and over again, there's no quotas. Some departments have them and some don't. I don't know. But the stats have to be good.

Right, right, right. And in Chicago, everybody always knew. Don't be careful driving at the end of the month. Yep. That's what everyone would always say. So it's kind of like, is it one of those myths or whatever? But, you know, we are kind of getting off. We were talking about Antifa, and I really want to focus on this because five days to an election. Yes.

Can't believe it. I have to wonder if, like, this next part is a joke, okay, because I know people are going to freak out that a bunch of Trump supporters dress up like Antifa. Like this is how you get Trump elected in PA. I'm joking. OK, the point is, though, Donald Trump is going rally, rally, rally in Pennsylvania. Vote for me. And he's going suburban women love me. You have to love me.

I've done so much for you. It's actually funny. They criticize him for it, but he's half joking. Like he really does need their vote, but he's just like, you know, hamming it up. But there's only so much rallies can do. You've got Western Pennsylvania fracking country. Joe Biden sealed the deal on that when he was like, yeah, he's like, we're going to transition out of oil. Yes.

Yes. And then the moderator's like, why would you do that? Like almost like she was facepalming that he said it, not that he would actually want to do it. Why would you say that? Exactly. That's what it sounded like to me. But how do you get eastern Pennsylvania? Riots erupt in Philadelphia three nights in a row.

People are looting, you know, five below Walmart. Like you see the video where the cars are just, like, crashing at each other and, like, TVs are flying through the air? Yeah. It's like, so they're in the parking lot of the Walmart and people are just running away with stuff and then, like, someone's got, like, a TV in the middle of the road, a car hits it, it just flips over the car and they're, like, crashing into each other.

It was nuts. Yeah. And even a guy, like, loaded up his truck full of looted material and then he got robbed for his car full of looted material. They he got robbed for his car full of looters. They're looting the looters. And apparently they were shooting each other too and fighting over it. Yeah. I think Shelby and Elijah were there with shots fired.

And so, you know, it's just criminals doing criminal stuff. Yo, in D.C., is it federal? So it's federal, right? Are they sending out the feds to take care of that? No. So activist organizations warn protesters. You get arrested protesting in DC, those are federal charges. They're very, very hard to beat, and the penalties are severe. Whereas state, city jurisdictions, sometimes you get a slap on the wrist. Not the feds.

They prosecute. What is the name of that legal fund that's always bailing out those antifa guys they were down on the scene last night too and i i think that's what happened they saw me streaming the antifa guys because i was streaming the cops and stuff but then i saw the legal aid you know national lawyers guild that's it national lawyers guild progressive organization they were on the ground there and that's part of the support ecosystem that enables people to go to jail and have lawyers and bail, and that way they can get arrested with impunity.

You know, I'll tell you what, man. During Occupy, things were different, and there's a weird authoritarian switch that occurred. I remember I was on, you know, I can't remember what street it was, maybe like 12th or something. It was in New York. It was like the Lower East Side, and there was a National Lawyers Guild lawyer who had just witnessed an arrest. We were standing on the sidewalk, and he starts, I'm standing here on the corner and he starts walking through the crosswalk, not jaywalking. And he's on his phone and he's looking at cops as they're making an arrest.

And he starts reporting to his colleagues and a bunch of cops run up and grab him and throw him against a car. His phone goes flying and I'm filming. I'm like, whoa, what the? And then he's like, what are you doing? I'm a lawyer. I'm a lawyer. And they were like, shut up. They cuff him, they arrest him. And then I actually had a phone call like, what happened? Why did they arrest him? Like he literally wasn't

doing anything, man. It was a lawyer. So I see things like that. I've seen things where the National Lawyers Guild has done good in stopping things like this. But something changed. And I remember when I was in Boston, it was 2018 and there were there was there was antifa and there were right-wing protesters the antifa guys had clubs they were wearing black masks full blackout gear with clubs and bats and there was the national lawyers guild standing at their side and then across from them was a bunch of guys with like pepe signs and shields and i asked the national lawyers go i was like hey how come you guys are only on one side and they're like what do you mean and i'm like why aren't you guys observing for those guys and they were like i don't understand and i was like okay and then i tweeted about it and then a

bunch of lefties they were like tim pool's defending the fascists and i'm like the national lawyers guild said their mission was to observe the police not counter protests right i thought they were there to make sure that people were peacefully legally allowed to protest and that includes the left and the right no it wasn't it was about supporting progressive causes and now that the conflict isn't about police versus protester it's like left and right tribe or whatever national lawyers guild is overtly tribalist and will will not help you in defending your rights they won't like was anyone there when you were getting attacked any of these lg guys no nobody they're not gonna ugly the police were there though because because i'd imagine they're gonna be like oh we're not gonna film this we don't observe this because

then we gotta testify against them right there were a number of people filming and taking pictures i haven't seen any of them surface just yet and i would like to see them i was standing there surrounded by like 30 people just like that that would probably be a good pick i'd like to see it so if you're that guy last night, send it out. Hit me up on Twitter, Jack Murphy Live, or on my YouTube channel, Jack Murphy Live. Thank you very much. I'll see you guys there as well. Excellent.

So you think the riots are going to – well, so as I was saying about Pennsylvania, I don't know exactly if you can turn a city red. I don't know what would make something like that happen. But I imagine – I don't know if you remember that video where the Christopher Columbus statue was getting attacked. And so all of these like middle aged and younger dudes like union guys came out and surrounded it and got physical like shoving antifas. Some guys had bats, some guys had guns and they were like, get out of here. Then the city came and took the statue away anyway. I can only imagine like these are these are probably union Democrat guys in Philadelphia, 80% Democrat city.

Now they're taking your statue down. You tried to defend. Now they're rioting. And it's not just in like downtown. I think they call it center city. It's spread around all over the place. And the videos are nuts. I got to imagine there's a certain part of these like regular working class union guys who are Democrats who are probably going,

I've had enough of this man. And I wonder if it's going to be a big push for Trump. I mean, they did make a big part up of the 9 million Democrats as deplorable voters in 2016. I'm hoping that that trend is going to continue. It's very clear to see that the Republican Party is becoming sort of the party of men. And the Democratic Party is becoming the party of women and minorities. I got to stop you there, though. There's something really interesting I saw.

I was looking at early voting data in, I think it was Michigan. Most of the votes that have come in so far early in absentee lean GOP. The plurality is GOP voters and women. Nice. That was weird to me i was like wait the majority of returned ballots and early voting came from women and the majority and it was a plurality it was women not a majority and then the plurality was republicans meaning there's an uptick in republican women who are voting awesome and they're helping get that push so that's i've always said that it's the party of masculine men and the women who love them right yeah yep yeah so you gotta have it's that that's that caveat right dude how weird is it that that's true that the demo so millennial

women are like 70 democrat that's that's pure research 68 of millennial women are democrats and then uh among uh men it's slightly conservative, but pretty even. Yeah, well, that's by design. So in the late 60s, the Democrats decided to to jettison the white working male from their efforts in terms of recruiting people. And they specifically set out a strategy to court the disaffected. They use words that we wouldn't use today about homosexual people and about minority folks and about just all the other factions who was the dude who ran against nixon in his re-election mcgovern mcgovern and he got obliterated yeah he was that guy who wanted to do the coalition of progressives of like white college educated elites and minorities

and he got annihilated in a 49-state landslide. Is that going to happen? That would be amazing, but I doubt it. I don't really know what's going to happen. In fact, I've got to admit, it's getting a little jittery. I mean, either way, everything will be, you know. You said Nixon and McGovern, is that right? He also did a 49 and

instead of reagan and reagan okay and uh i i think reagan was for similar reasons too they tried doing a big progressive push and regular people that's what biden's doing so cringy well here's the crazy thing mondale we're looking at early voting data right and it's like right now at nationally i think it's like four points up Democrat. What if those Democrat vote Republican? You know what I mean? It's probably wishful thinking to be like, oh, the polls are wrong and the Democrats are actually voting for Republicans. Yeah, no, no, no. Democrats are probably up.

We expected this. And Republicans, surprisingly, are doing really well in Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan. They're leading in those three states. So I think we're actually, there's a scenario where, could you imagine if we do 269 to 269, Biden and the Electoral College? It would go to House delegations, Trump would win. It's not going to be this hardcore deadlock, but that would be so on point for 2020. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, either way, unless it's a clear landslide in either direction, it's going

to feel like 269 to 269 the way it's going to be drawn out. I think we all need to prepare for that. Save your adrenal system. Save your dopamine surges. Save your stressing out. I really don't think that there's going to be a decisive factor on the third, although I would greatly welcome it in our favor. We're going to this uh big election

night party so what what yeah we still got and what we're gonna do is we're just gonna stream the whole night and people are gonna come in and out whoever wants to hop on the stream and be like yo what's going on and i'll probably be downstairs hanging out with people i'll come up periodically and a lot of people do that but i'm wondering like at what point do we turn the stream off because it's gonna be like 4 a.m and they're gonna be like we have no idea what happened 2 a.m 2 a.m is when when they end everything no but Because it's going to be like 4 a.m. And they're gonna be like, we have no idea what happened. 2 a.m. 2 a.m. Is when they end everything.

No, but there's not going to be results because I think Pennsylvania is not doing their results until the 10th or whatever. Yeah. And I found out. So I have someone who voted in Colorado. And so they got their ballot back and they're like, something's wrong with your signature. All right, cool. I'm glad you're checking out my signature. You can vote again on the 12th.

Like you can just go in until the 12th. my signature you can vote again on the 12th like you can just go in until the 12th remember you can go in on the 12th so you can go on the 12th and they'll set your signature correct as late as the 12th of november and i was like there's no way this is going to be done by well unless unless like they can map out so a lot of people are saying and i literally just said it pennsylvania is not going to know their results until the 10th or whatever because of late ballots. But they can actually look at registered voters and likely voters. They can model out and be like, there's literally no way any amount of votes will change the results of this county. They always do that. Yeah, that's what happens every time.

Exactly. We see the like, you know, 89. There are some places where it's like 37 precincts reporting landslide because it's a guarantee. There's no amount of votes they could get with reigning precincts to win. Right. So we might actually just see that. We might, on election night, it might be, you know, landslide Joe Biden. That's not why I was.

I know. I thought you crossed your fingers. I said Biden instead. That'd be cool. I would welcome a landslide. I would too. Just to get it over with. I don't want to sit around for two weeks.

Not for Biden. I just want it to end on the third so we can move on. Yeah, it's not going to end, man. So the media has become addicted to culture war. Everyone has. And when you have billion-dollar corporations that are are like what do we do when the orange man is gone they're going to start looking for for villains to write about bill conyer maybe yeah yep and and joe rogan for sure and comedians and what did robert reich say truth and reconciliation

commissions dude we gotta have him on the show or no i mean well i'll tell you what sure like i'm willing to have anybody on well not anybody there someone asked me on twitter like are there limits and i was like yeah like physical safety and yeah people have to be uh relevant to the conversation so he is sure i'd have him on but he's like truth and reconciliation so weird yeah you know what they're gonna do do is they're going to no platform, de-platform, and cancel people. So we all end up with no technology, no bank accounts. Like, oh, you know, nobody wants to work with you because you're one of those. I heard a very scary bit of speculation that the reason that they selected Kamala Harris was so that she could be the chief.

Sorry, whatever. Kay Harris. Kay Harris. Kay Harris. So that she could be the prosecutor. Sorry, whatever. Kay Harris. Kay Harris. Kay Harris. So that she could be the prosecutor and chief of the Truth and Reconciliation effort. Oh, gosh. I don't know. Which actually makes pretty good sense.

I mean, there's one thing she can do, right? So they're going to, like, rendition people? Mm-hmm. It's like, you know. No, why not? That makes me angry. That makes me want to riot. Not much stuff makes me want to riot.

You guys have all seen V for Vendetta? Yeah. You know the scene where Creedy comes in and knocks out stephen fry and then he like drags him away like it would be fun to make like a gif where it's you know kamala harris has creedy and then like stephen fry's alex jones i think it's black bagged and like taken oh by the way he was on rogan did you guys see tim dillon and was it i didn't see i saw that he did it and and the left is going after him like hard oh i haven't seen I only watched a few minutes. These people don't know why they're mad at Alex Jones they really have no idea. He's funny he's a comedian. Sandy Hook. You know you know check this out though I I thought of something I was thinking of something really I did a segment on this there was a recently Jacobin magazine which I'm sure you guys it's

a socialist magazine first I want to say my respects to Jacobin they've done repeated articles defending free speech arguing that if they give in to restrictions on fascist speech, the government will go after them next. And I'm like, yes, yes, exactly. And so they said like they called it like the anti-fascist hate speech boomerang was an article they wrote where they basically said we cannot give in to these demands to censor speech because they're going to come for us. So I respect that. They did a show. It got censored on Facebook. And one of the hosts of that show was on the Young Turks.

So while I'll give my respects to Jacobin for defending free speech because they understand how important it is for a movement like theirs, especially the host they had from the Young Turks was in favor of censoring Alex Jones. And so I thought about something. I was like, how many decades of content does Alex Jones have? Like three decades. And that means he's probably got, out of those decades of work he's done, how many hours of content? 60,000? 10,000 was my first guess. It's probably a really ridiculously huge number, right? How many videos do they have on YouTube? How many subscribers?

Because he said one thing, he's gone forever. And every bit of speech he ever said, think about how insane that is. That you could talk for 30 years and then say, and also this. Oh, there it is. Get them. And they delete literally everything you've ever said. Not just the things you're saying now, everything you've ever said. That's crazy. And here's what's really crazy about it.

The stuff that Jones was saying, as reprehensible as it was, for sure, was like, what, seven years before they went after him? It was from a long time ago. The Sandy Hook thing? Yeah, it was from a long time ago. 2013 or something like that. Well, you remember the incident involved Oliver Darcy. Oh, of course. Yeah.

Right. It was about Alex Jones confronting him in the halls of the Capitol building and basically being a dickhead and like cornering him and intimidating him. And believe me, Oliver Darcy, if you're watching, there's no love lost here. Right. I met Oliver years ago back at Business Insider when he was there and he was trying to be writing favorable articles. He was trying to be all chummy with us MAGA crew in D.C. and showing up at all the events, him and Rosie Gray and Andrew Morantz. And they all just turned. You know that Oliver Darcy

interviewed me when the alt right got banned and I said, slippery slope. We can't just ban people for bad opinions. And he wrote an article about it. News like, you know, renowned journalists or whatever warns of the coming censorship he was a business insider then he got hired by cnn and you know rosy-cheeked oliver darcy walked in with a smile on his face like looking up at the big building and all the floors and he was like i finally made it and that's when jeff sucker jumped out of the shadows and latched on to his back and sunk his teeth into his neck and oliver went ah and then turned into a fake new zombie. That's exactly right. They turned him into the schoolyard snitch. Yeah.

Like he's got to be like the most hated of all of those people from that time. And he's really sort of sold himself on that. But anyway, that was for Alex Jones. He got banned off of Twitter for what he did outside of Twitter. That's so crazy. But it was years before. And it's like, the main issue I see is if you say one wrong thing years ago and we decide now that was wrong, we eliminate everything you've ever said from the record. Now, I am working at Mines and banning accounts and being in charge of that kind of thing.

I was of the ilk that if an account violated the terms, I don't care who the human is using that account. That account is nuked. I'm not going after the person. If the person makes a new account, it's fine. They violated terms with that account, that account is gone. It's not the person. And that's where cancel culture comes from. The problem I'm seeing, you know, as I think about what happened with Alex Jones. And so anyway, the gist of it was that, you know, one of the Young Turks people on the

show was like, I'm glad jones can't harass people and i'm like so you're okay with him having literally every bit of his work removed and annihilated because he did this one wrong thing and i guess he did a couple times i'm not you know i think what he did was wrong for sure reprehensible and you tell him hey that thing you did don't do it again okay okay no they didn't i think he remained on facebook for a while and they were just waiting to press the nuke button give them any excuse and then they went for it so it really was not about just that one thing he said it was a political move they didn't like this guy he had too much influence and he says crazy stuff so they were like he's a problem to get rid of him and find

any excuse to do it the funny thing about i watched like maybe the first half hour the joe rogan show with him and uh alex starts to say something that seems all crazy. And Joe's like, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. What you need is a fact checker. Let's fact check this one. Come on. We're going to fact check this one.

He needs Lydia. Jamie, Jamie, bring it up. Bring it up. Bring it up. And Jones was right. And they brought it up. And he's reading it. And he's like, oh, snap.

Holy crap. You're right. Do you know what he was saying, though? Yeah. He said that corporations were making payments to sub-level, lower-level staff members in the Trump organization because Trump is uncorruptible. He's not beholden to lobbyists. He's not beholden to corporations. And so he's saying that corporations were going towards people in his orbit and below him in order to get influence.

And the example, he's like, yeah, AT&T paid people millions of dollars just to get access. And they're like, whoa, hold on a second. And they checked and they pulled it up. USA Today, I think, is what it was. And this is this is this is a thing. It's low information individuals with power who don't know what they're talking about and getting mad about it. The other day when we had Vosh on, he mentioned that I got into like conspiracy realm stuff. And he mentioned you said if Joe Biden gets elected, they're going to come to your house. They're going to change definitions.

And I was like, they've done both of those things already. Like, I wasn't I didn't say, here's my prediction of the future. I said, here's what they've already done. If Joe Biden gets elected, it like locks that in. It exacerbates his argument was because it happened doesn't mean that something's going to trigger to happen again. You didn't say that. That's what he's saying. If a toilet exploded in someone's house and you say, hey, if gets elected there's going to be exploding toilets he said that after yeah i said

those things already happened and then he went oh well just because his initial argument was he didn't know people have already gone to several houses and then he was like which people and i was like the mccloskey's for one he's like oh okay so clearly i want to go more into that too how many more people i really do think one of the biggest issues between left and right is the sources we consume but it is a fact that the right knows the left is thinking the left does not know what the right is thinking yep the best example of this is when the hashtag proud boys went viral and it was a bunch of like gay men kissing and they were like take that proud boys and then enrique like uh posted milo and gavin

making out like what are you talking about like yeah so what do you think this is somebody once took the graphics for liminal order and they like put made it in rainbow flag and they were and they tried to make it out like this was like being being mean to me like oh they made it look like it was the gay flag like they don't know who you are like you've repeatedly said that uh the republican party accepting gay marriage was was what allowed you to be like, OK, I can go in this direction. Yeah. Like socially accepting.

Absolutely. And just piggybacking off your idea there that the left does not know what the right is thinking, but the right does know what the left is thinking. I have made a terrible mistake. I have reengaged with my old friends on Facebook in this election season. And it was a big mistake. It's a big mistake. There's no question. And I just had it totally reconfirmed to me when I'm trying to explain to them sort of their thought process, because I know it. I've studied critical race theory. I've studied radical feminism. I've studied intersectionality. I know how it works.

I know there are sort of Kafka traps. I know're intellectual framework, if you can call it that. And I'm explaining it to them, and they don't even know. They're just all foot soldiers that have been sort of co-opted by Black Lives Matter, Antifa, et cetera. And they think they're doing a good thing. They're like, yeah, Black Lives Matter. Of course, Black Lives. Black Lives, of course. But they don't understand what the system is that they're in.

And it's just I try to engage with them. It's just it's not possible. And I just have this hope i had this naive notion that in like five years when maybe everything just completely falls apart and everybody suffers the traumatic experience they need in order to rethink their worldview that one of them at least is just gonna be like oh you know that jack he was right yeah they will no i don't know about that they come out they're never gonna do it never so the interesting thing we're talking about earlier when you mentioned rewire rewire rewiring in your brain yeah is that they people do trainings where they tell you to tell yourself things to do that yeah and so you think about these people who are watching tv and

say black lives matter everywhere it becomes they have no idea what it is but they just adhere to it and when you challenge it, you threaten their worldview. So I think a lot of the reason we see Antifa getting crazy and fuming at the mouth, and like, well, Black Lives Matter, because they are righteous and just. They don't know why, but they've said it over and over and over again, and it's in their being, and so when you are opposition, when you are the other, you are the evil villain destroying the world, and they have no idea you ask them they couldn't tell you i've tried when it comes to black lives matter yeah i know me too i feel like there's three strata of the way that people

interact or interface with that movement one is like the ideological one where it's like why is black lives matter why does it exist and this is kind of what vosh was kind of hinting at that last night um you know it know, it's a class issue thing that's caused this thing to erupt. Then there's the people that are like in it and using it as a business and profiting from it in a lot of ways. And then there's like the foot soldiers who are like,

yeah, black lives are great, so I follow it. They don't know anything about it. And that's most people. Like I have friends and family that are posting things like, it is not enough to be not racist. You must be actively anti-racist. And I was like, what does that mean? And they can't give me an answer.

I once did this really thoughtful post about the problems of leftist identitarianism and critical race theory and tried explaining to them using their own words and language. And they just said, you know, F off, basically. Like, I'm sorry. We're in the tribe. The tribe is good. You say bad bad i have pity i have pity for them because i do believe that they're possessed in like a spiritual demon way maybe but they're possessed by an idea uh i think it was jordan peterson that said that people don't have ideas ideas have people yes and these people these ideas got these people right and. And, and it's really, it just, it makes me sad when I can see people that I know are otherwise decent, good humans

that, that are just acting in a way that I know if they really understood that they would change their mind because they are good, decent people. And this is sort of the mission and there's there, I see a path to redemption for them, but they don't see a path to redemption for me. And just to finish up on the suffering sessions or struggle sessions, copter chapters, you know, think about it in reverse. You visualize success. You tell yourself success. You say it over and over again. I'm going to do this.

I'm going to be great at that i am this i am this thing i want to become because you can rewire your brain using yourself talking the things you say so you can do it in the other direction they said raise the fist who's that's the thing that stood out to me is the guys that intensity nosed up in here coughing their corona all over me who's side are you on say it say it and when i wouldn't it's just like oh these edges they just explode inside their heads it's all it's awful for them think about this you got you got a nice beanie there good sir there's a symbol on that beanie what is that symbol that symbol is the logo for the liminal order my all men's organization national 300 members you've got a national organization and

i i take a lot of people often want to join and you get like you know you put the word out and then people hit you up 3 000 people on the waiting list imagine if you had mainstream dominant culture promoting the ideology for you and you needed only walk up and say you think black lives matter right okay well join my organization slick yeah imagine you, all of us as critical thinkers and the people watching who would challenge what we're told and be like, let me check on that first. And that's a big thing about the Internet is a lot of people who consume news are actively looking for it as opposed to mainstream media, which is they're sitting there absorbing it. So you're more likely to find people who know more about specific things. They're seeking it out.

Now imagine you've got half the people who are just absorbing information, have no idea, never challenged. It's true. It was on the TV. If you want to use them for your advantage and your power, well, if you go up to them and say, Black Lives Matter is out of control,

identitarianism, and while I can understand the core complaints and I can agree police brutality is bad and we respect these lives, the movement has its problems. Now, join me. They're going to be like, screw you. What are you, racist? If you go up to them and say you want to join a Black Lives Matter group, right? You're not racist, are you?

Yeah, you're right. You're right, yes. Because dominant culture told them to. You're not racist, are you? Yep. You're not racist, are you? Not at all're right. You're right. Yes. Because dominant culture told them to. You're not racist, are you? Yep. You're not racist, are you? Not at all. The issue is you've got this person, right?

And they see you walk up to them and you say, give me your money and your time and your energy. And they say, why should I do that? And they say, look around you. You're not a racist, are you? And they see signs everywhere. Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter. And they're like, I don't want to be another.

I don't want to be another here. Whatever you want from me, please. just don't ostracize me. So I think a big component of a lot of whatever, like this moderate space, intellectual space, whatever you want to call it, or a bunch of just, I don't knowufficient to a certain degree, not too concerned about being ostracized. I would rather live on my feet than die on my knees versus people who would rather live on their knees than die. Yeah. I'm comfortable being the other. That's how it's always been my life. I've always been contrarian, counterculture. That's just where I feel more comfortable. But on this issue of passive versus intentional learning or understanding, we in a liminal order have come up with a name. We didn't determine this name, but we've determined that it's an essential tool in this world. It's called sensemaking.

And sensemaking is intentional understanding. And part of intentional understanding is, A, a desire to want to actually make sense of the world. And B, it's also an internal process where you have to understand your ability to discern between right and wrong, good and bad, so that you can be an intentional understander and do this art of sense making. So if you want to be an independent, sovereign person in an information war space, which is where we are, and the information battlefield is deliberately polluted at all times, if you want to maintain your sense of personal sovereignty, you have to develop this skill of sense making. And that's one of the things we do in the liminal order because we think it's vital. It's like a life skill at this point.

Well, we get on the other side, willful ignorance, which is kind of like the other end of the spectrum of that. People who just choose to be swimming in bliss. Yeah. Ignorance is bliss, man. I mean, there is some truth to that dude it must feel good right to be morally indignant morally righteous and wield righteous indignation watching down the street with a bunch of people telling you and patting you on the back how right you are and how smart you are knowing that all the corporations support you and the government

supports you and you are on the right side of history and that throwing that brick oh just crunching into that face that face of the other the evil yeah they love it it feels good to them they're attacking symbols to make themselves feel good and they get pat on the back for it so it's it's funny because they often talk about right-wing love bombs have you guys heard about what right-wing love bombs are? I have not. The idea is that someone will go on social media, and this is what the left calls it, which says a lot about the left, and you'll get a person,

and they'll say something like, I think Donald Trump is just not that bad. And immediately, all the Trumpsters are like, you're so cool, you're so smart, that's so rational,

so reasonable. It feels good. You're getting all this love and attention. And so then you go, oh, I think he's actually cool. And then they're like, oh, that's even better. You're so much smarter than we thought. And then you're getting all this love and attention and then you go oh i think he's actually cool and then they're like oh that's even better you're so much smarter than we thought and then you're like he's actually the best and they're like oh you are so amazing you're the best the left does the opposite they hate bomb like that's their strategy hate bombing you go on and

you say i think no trump isn't that bad why are you a bigot what What's wrong with you, racist? You better get on your knees. Some people are coerced by that. Some people are recruited by that saying, I don't like the way this feels. They're being mean to me. No, no, no, no. I agree with you. You're right. Please don't be mean anymore. And now they're angry.

They're forced into this. They don't understand. They're just mad. And it reminds me kind of like hazing, right? So why do people at colleges or high schools haze freshmen you know newcomers they went through it now it's my turn right i have to build a shared experience in a common language some of this hazing dude oh sure so like hurting people making them drink themselves to death or have sex with animals or whatever that's

that stuff's whack. I mean, like the stuff you hear about. Making somebody, you know, stripped out of their boxers and jump in a potato sack is one thing. But I'm talking about like there was one thing that happened in Illinois where they all like took a dump. All these women took a dump in a dumpster and then made like the women like put it over their heads or something. Just really weird. Humiliation. Like serious.

Established power hierarchy what was happening was that every time someone got hazed in an extreme way it it traumatized and made them angry so then they wanted to repeat it and feel that power kids i mean that's a lot about child abuse in the cycle of abuse that's kind of what we're in right now it's like it feels like a political cycle of abuse these these these intimate people in my opinion feel like they've been abused and now they want to feel good being the abuser and they don't care who they take it out on small business owners random people you know living in the neighborhood buildings you look at what happened journalists reporters whatever they can justify and on the other side this is the funny thing you know we had uh vosh there the other day he did make a

good point but it the point wasn't i think what he what he thought it was he said that the left doesn't have the kind of fervent militia or like far right support of the of their leaders that the right does so like on the right there are right-wing militia groups there are groups like the proud boys that are overtly like yelling Trump and cheering and jumping up and down. Antifa does not like Joe Biden. They want Joe Biden because Joe Biden will capitulate to them in some capacity, but they despise him. So that's a good point. As they should.

But that also means that if Trump came out and was like, stop, then they'd be like, okay. Whereas Antifa goes, shut your mouth biden and they go around smashing and destroying things again so the left does have its violent apparatus rage and anger and it's and it's the ideology that's fueling a lot of the anger is support of all the mainstream corporations and all these institutions and colleges and i just put it bluntly i think all that just gets worse worse under Biden, or at the very least, it's empowered their ideology. Well, it's not only supported by the institutions and corporations and academia and whatever, but by the municipalities themselves. When you've got the mayors of Washington, D.C. and New York City putting, you know, painting Black Lives Matter on the street, changing street names to Black Lives Matter Plaza

like they did in Washington, D.C. That's 1984, dude. It's crazy. It's crazy. They named that street, it's 16th and H in Washington, D.C., right across from Lafayette Square in the White House. They named it Black Lives Matter Plaza

because just a few nights ago, there was a riot there, and they destroyed the buildings and set the churches on fire, hit the cops with bricks, got, you you know chased people around and were violent and like they celebrated it by naming the street after them you see what happened to that nypd officer who yelled trump 2020 suspended no pay meanwhile the officers who took a knee were cheered and praised morality policing when you're when your police departments literally show the symbol of the

ideology and then you oppress the officers who say anything in the other direction or any other you know there's something to um dictators and the power of like benevolent like athens was founded by a benevolent dictator and it's not the word has taken a new connotation where we think of modern dictators as like strong men that control through military force. But the idea of being dictating, speaking orators, they're like a good Obama was a dictator. He spoke a lot. He was very eloquent. Trump is a dictator. He gives two hour speeches.

Biden's a very failed. He's not a not able to dictate and dictators rally crowds. You can call it now an orator. The words kind of morphed into now orator um and having a great one will become that can empower and become a leader and a good one if you are benevolent can tell people like stand down be kind trump knows how to speak to his base no trump knows how to speak to anybody if he so chooses he's a code switcher he's an incredible communicator you see you catch him in these like off moments where he's being very sociable and fun.

Remember, everybody loved Donald Trump in 2014. Yep. What did Obama say about it? I didn't. Was that the birth certificate era? No, forget about that. I'm just saying leading up to that. Kirk, if I'm wrong, didn't Obama say the American dream is to be Donald Trump?

No, probably not. Does that make sense? Can you Google that? Can we get a a check on that yeah that might just be a fake meme that you know people push around because it sounds good for trump but it i mean people did i thought i thought he was a clown when he was going on about obama's birth certificate yeah potential oh i mean that was so ridiculous for sure but every every he was like everybody watched apprentice i remember when the birth certificate yeah yeah when the birth certificate thing was coming out people were like if you load the birth

certificate into photoshop it creates layers and i'm like i mean anything but then you have people like analyzing the video on youtube and like it's fake and i'm like do you really think if brock obama was going to fake it he would he would forget to export properly it's just come on dude i'm just i mean if you put like pictures of you smoking crack and doing other terrible things on a laptop, would you just leave it at a repair shop somewhere? It's worse. Guys, it's worse. It's worse.

It's worse. Ready for this? It's so bad. This is so exciting. Breaking. I love it. No. From SFGate.

In law school, Obama co-wrote a paper referring to Trump as the American dream. Booyah. That's what's up. Born into money. Obama officially endorses Donald Trump as the American dream. Wow. That's funny. That's amazing.

I had not heard that. I can't believe I hadn't heard that until now. When Barack Obama was in Harvard Law School, he once alluded to businessman Donald Trump as representing the American dream. Boom. That's from SFGate. Done. Certified NewsGuard source.

I kind of disagree, though, because he was born into money. Isn't the dream coming from nothing and building like an empire? Oh, these details. Well, there's a lot of things you can talk about. How about his grandfather started the business, right? As far as I know. Yeah. And so isn't part of the American dream creating?

Your family, yeah. Making your family and your children better off? Heck yeah, man. And now the American dream for a lot of people is what people don't realize about the American dream. When these migrants come here and they cram their whole family in a studio apartment, five people, and the dad is working 16-hour days,

that's the American dream. That is the American dream. The dream that you could leave a country with no upward mobility, with class repression and dictatorship, come here, cram your entire family into a tiny awful living space work 16 hours a day and then your kid gets a better job then they start a family and they get to be a part of that wealthy american dream people come here

for capitalism they don't come here for socialism geez louise people can we get this straight i do i do love the meme where it's like how come no one's fleeing to Venezuela? And the only real excuse you typically get from socialists is well the United States caused those problems. And it's just like. Oh get lost. You're telling me your solution is a magic. Like your problem is with a magic wand. A nebulous statement doesn't mean anything.

Prove to me that the failed state of Venezuela was caused by American influence. I would like, I think, I thought it was the sanctions that put too much pressure on their government and they couldn't, it just broke their economy. Why can't they support themselves with their own economy? Why aren't they energy independent? Why aren't they able to grow their own food? They're small and they're like a jungle country.

They were the wealthiest country. Oh, they sit on like a giant pile of oil. Yeah, but you can't extract it. Why can't they extract it? That's not true, dude. I could be wrong. My understanding has been a long time. It's been six years since I went there.

They nationalized the oil industry so that we can share all the profits. Here's the good news. The people of Venezuela pay ridiculously low costs for gasoline. It's really, really cheap. They can't trade or do anything else. Because OPEC won't buy their oil? Is that what it is? Oh, of course.

Unless they take OPEC money. Yeah, they nationalize, 1976. Yeah, it's called PDVSA. And they take the Bolivar? No, that's not it. Bolivar Fuerte now, I think. Oh, is it? I don't know.

They keep changing it. They've got to slice off like easy. One of the ways OPEC bullies countries with their oil is they make them sell their oil in U.S. dollars. Right. If they won't bow to that, then they like ostracize them. They'll put sanctions on the country and be like, you know, take our money. So what's stopping the country from – I'm not sure that's exactly right.

Well, the international oil trade is in U.S. dollars. Correct. It's the petro-billion. I don't think that that's OPEC's decision. Well, I think there's a lot more than just OPEC. I don't think it's OPEC's decision. It's probably you'd be better off saying, I don't know, IMF or something. Jeez, how deep does it go?

Well, international settlements. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I put it this way. I mean, there's no reason whether there's sanctions or not, a country should fall into absolute chaos or whatever, because that implies that other countries just magically have the ability to be successful and grow their own food on their own. And for some reason, this country can't do it. You know what I mean?

Well, US is very unique that it has such a landmass that it can grow crops and has oil and has uranium. But it doesn't explain why Venezuela has like 12 jobs in one cell phone store, right? So when I went to Venezuela, this is the easiest anecdote I can give to people. It's like, what's wrong with the country? I wanted to buy a cell phone. It was like six people. In the United States, when you want to buy a cell phone, you walk into T-Mobile and the lady walks up to you and she's like, how can I help you? I'd like that phone.

She's like, okay, let me go grab it from the back. She walks out, pens to you. It's this much a month. Here's how much it costs. And you go, awesome. And you sign the thing. And then she types the things in. Then she puts SIM card in.

She calls. Boom, you got a cell phone. Yeah, so good. You know what it was like in Venezuela? I walked in, walked at the counter. I had a translator. And they showed me a list of all their phones. And I said, this phone.

And then they gave me a piece of paper and sent me to acquisitions. Then I went upstairs and went to someone and showed it to them. They said, oh, okay. And then they went and a piece of paper and sent me to acquisitions. Then I went upstairs and went to someone and showed it to them. They said, oh, okay. And then they went and came back with the phone. Then they pointed me to planning. Then I went to another guy and he showed me the plans. Then I picked a plan. Then he wrote a piece of paper and gave me this.

Sounds like the DMV, dude. It does. I'm not kidding. I was laughing. It took two hours. It took two hours for me to get a phone. And then the last thing was the SIM card. And then finally it was the payment.

And the dude who was with me, I was laughing. And he was like, it's crazy, right? Because the government mandated these jobs. Everything slowed to a crawl and breaks. And you have people working jobs that don't do anything but reduce efficiency. And so, like he's explaining to me because the government has to mandate jobs because it's because of socialism they just figure out ways to make people work in some way even if it doesn't help and so what they did was

okay everyone's got a job now even though your job literally makes the thing harder to do one of the federal reserve's goals is to give everyone jobs even if it means one one guy is digging a hole, the other guy is filling the hole back up. They want them working so they're not focused on the debt machine that wants interest. Well, that's too much. The Federal Reserve does a lot of things, but to say that they're trying to do that. Venezuela is literally a socialist government that had to figure out how to put everyone to work. Whenever they're like, jobs, I'm going to bring jobs back, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. What kind of job?

A crappy job that is a guy digging a hole and the other guy's job is fill it, jobs, jobs, I'm going to bring jobs back, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, like what kind of job? A crappy job that is a guy digging a hole in the other guy's job as fillet? Yeah, but what's a real example of that? A job to go murder people in another country? Like, what's your job? Jobs doesn't mean it's good.

There could be bad jobs that we need to get rid of. Yeah, for sure. I think one of the biggest problems we have is that we have a bunch of jobs that are intermediaries that don't do anything.

Or that do damage. Yeah, I think we're getting to a point where there are a lot of jobs that are remnants of you know a bygone era for instance like i'm i don't want to call anyone's job specifically i don't want to drag anybody over their job that i might think is obsolete but there's a lot of jobs that have been made obsolete by the internet by kiosks for instance you know fast food and stuff. So when you have a market-based economy that responds to price signals set by buyers and sellers, then we allocate our resources efficiently. That's why we like our system because we are generally moving towards efficiency.

Even if we're not 100% efficient, we're moving towards efficiency. I want to back up a second. Talk about these empathy triggers that we were talking about earlier. We were talking about the way that they create these tribes, right? The tribes of the other and the good and the bad and the way that people absorb information and then believe something without understanding it. It's because we're being sorted now into tribes based on empathetic triggers. So think about it. You see a video and one person, if you're in this tribe, you feel a certain way about, you know, George Floyd and the knee on the neck or

whatever, or you see a video of somebody coming out of a store with loot in their hand and you get an emotional trigger. If you believe in Black Lives Matter and all the thing, and you see somebody looting, you're like, yeah, man, you know, just destroy, get it, whatever. But if you're on the right side, you see that and you just feel immediately like rage. And so we're just being bombarded constantly with these images that are supposed to elicit this emotional response out of us. That's like deeper than, than our voice or our speaking or our, our, our self-talk, right? It's empathy is in dogs and animals and chickens and whatever it's in us to it predates language. So we communicate with each other through empathetic triggers and that's what's happening with social media with the videos with the internet and we're all being completely sorted based on our empathetic responses

to the same kind of images and that's why it also triggers this hate as well and there's just no reasoning behind it you can't reason people out of it when they're responding on a level that's like below language. Oh, yeah. Reason breaks down after taking empathy. Well, when you get angry, you don't think logically. So there was, I was reading the story once about, it was like a US naval vessel that was sank and all the soldiers, you know, or sailors fled to the life rafts and then one guy everyone's freaking out he pulled out a service weapon dismantled it took out all the bullets and then gave everyone apart and said shut up we're going to rebuild this and then everyone was confused and he's like shut up we're rebuilding it go and then they had to piece it together and

that was a survival training to put people back in a logical state of mind to get them out of the rage the panic mode. So then they start thinking, I have to wait for my name to be called. So it puts them in a systematic. That allowed them to think clearly and rationally, come up with a plan, and survive longer. That's very smart. That's actually a fantastic stress management tool right there. But assigning everybody a piece.

You want to call your name? Giving people jobs. Ken does, doesn't he? Yeah. So, okay. People love jobs i want to keep talking about what you're talking about but i want to talk about say this real quick that if like in the matrix it looks like if if we were automating jobs away and it's going to like what is our job now talking into a camera or whatever and then in the future like what's your job just give using the heat that your body produces to create electricity

and then they put them in tanks and you're just plugged in that was so dumb by the way that was like their job became just to produce heat their body like and maybe that is our ultimate jobs well i mean look to be fair the that dude i forgot his name in the matrix who wants to go back in right the guy with the steak and the red wine yeah he's like just put the red dress and the red dress. He's like, just put the red dress. Cypher. Cypher, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, what is it? Joey Pantalone. Yeah, exactly.

What was the joke he said? You know why everything tastes like chicken? Because the machines never had real meat before, so they just make everything taste like chicken. Something like that. But I empathize with that idea that he's just put me in the machine where I just generate heat and get to live a normal life. You know, what's the point of being flushed out into the netherworld of, you know, weird robots and eating sludge and stuff? For me, I'm all about freedom, though.

I was going to say, where would you go? I've already established that I'm comfortable being other and counterculture, and I like to resist the mainstream sort of themes. Would you want to be in the Matrix, or would you want to be in the spaceship trying to find Zion and save the world and free everybody from the Matrix? Where would you be? Red wine, red dress, red steak? No. I'll tell you what, man. You know the best part about getting out of the Matrix is you can control your own virtual realities if you're outside of it.

So the people who were in it were doting about normal lives with limited control, but it was like calming, I guess. Because that was one of the points that Smith made in The Matrix that they gave humans paradise and humans rejected it

because it was not normal. But the people who leave The Matrix can have that thing go into their heads or whatever, and then they can create their own little virtual world so it's kind of like hey i'll tell you what man you get to go out life's not easy i'm okay with life not being easy and then but then you get really awesome breaks where you can learn kung fu instantly and stuff i gotta show everyone this comment oh snap he's a guy and he's got it's a packet of it has silica gel do not eat and he goes those silica gel industry

big shots can't tell me what to do and then he eats it the next one is him with like a cap on with electrodes and he's like shocked and there's two doctors and one says congratulations you've escaped the simulation welcome to the real world don't eat silica gel don't do it big shots can't tell me what to do now Now going back to empathy triggers. Yes. I think social media and these algorithms are exacerbating that corralling. Definitely. A hundred percent. And it's gone beyond political networking. It's gone beyond emergent political networks like Hong Kong or Chile or France or whatever.

Now we're moving into tribes. Bro, it's the aliens. Do you think so? Because if our brains are receivers, check this out. You know how your brain is like a bunch of neurons of electricity that's very sensitive to other electricity? What if something's beaming

something to our brains? Obviously the sun's beaming light to us, but what if there's the galactic core of something? Some more intelligent vibration is interacting with our brain? They're more like radio transmitters that are they're tuned in to the right frequency and then behaving the way that the free. And so when you're writing information and your brain is like growing, you're actually writing a new tuning shape that's receiving different information. That's just wildly speculative.

It's like the joke I was making was like, yeah, you're talking about how we're being corralled. that's receiving different information. That's just wildly speculative. Of course. The joke I was making was like, you're talking about how we're being corralled, and I was just like, like sheep. We're being corralled like sheep, like someone is, you know, they got a stick and they're flapping it, and there's like a dog running around and barking at us,

and we're going, we're all running into little corrals where we're being neatly tribalized. But what's also happening, talking about empathy triggers, it's interesting. People who are likely to get angry, people who are likely to get sad, people who are likely to get angry at X, people who are likely to get angry at Y

are all being put in bubbles that can be mapped out. So these data networks are really interesting where they do visualizations of Twitter and you'll see Democrats and Republicans and like Republicans smaller, but like really tightly packed, meaning they agree more with each other, and the Democrats are very spread out. And so what happens is, it's like you were saying, you show someone a picture

of, you know, George Floyd, some people react X, some people react Y, and they all immediately cluster. And now we've created, we've strengthened the borders around the different types of people, the different emotional reactions, all neatly packaged and quantified. The joke I was making was that aliens are shepherding us. I don't think aliens are shepherding us. But why would we be doing that to ourselves? Accidentally. We're not. Is there such a thing as an accident?

Well, the systems evolved to do whatever we thought they were going to do. We created the social media network. DARPA started on it, whatever. We got here. But now it's like emergent phenomenon. People figure out something that works, and then people repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and repeat it. So in a way, we are doing it to ourselves on purpose. And then the meme makers, the meme magicians, the people that that control narrative they are definitely doing it on

purpose okay a hundred a hundred percent well so so i've been thinking about it's what we're especially right for sure so like uh my main channel is like typically democrats are doing this and i don't like them for these reasons but you know i've i've thought long and hard i'm like first of all i do think there's criticism me, same as any other partisan who's producing content because they're focused on something they don't like. But what I think it is, it's not that I'm making things up. No, no, no, no. The Democrats are doing screwed up things. Nancy Pelosi got Republicans to cave on the COVID relief bill.

And even Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer were like, why won't you say yes? But why is Nancy Pelosi refusing to say yes? For tribal reasons where she's like, but Trump did this. I'm not going to let him win on this. So then I see that and I go, harumph. Then she gets mad. And so there's a back and forth where arguably, you know, different pockets of, you know, of other tribes are morally justified in certain things. And then people are getting outraged at the other.

You know what I mean? It's a tit for tat. It's a never ending cycle of. But you did screw us over on COVID relief. I am mad about that. Republicans didn't do that. And then Nancy Pelosi does something. But the tribalists defend her and ignore what she's doing because they're more mad about Donald Trump and his reaction to COVID. And then they complain about Trump and COVID. You see how like this machine keeps churning. Yeah. And the influencers, the people that are driving this, I like to consider them. And I got this from John Robb, who is a networks analyst and a special forces guy. Wrote a great book, Brave New War.

You should check it out. And he and I have had a lot of conversations. And one of the things we've come to the conclusion is that the influencers, leaders were narrative curators right so like information is everywhere and ubiquitous in fact there's so much of it we don't want it there's just there's too much information and it's completely irrational to think that individuals are going to be able to start through all that information and figure out what's what so an easier more efficient way of sorting people and getting people into places through these empathetic triggers and then the people that can control the large groups they're the ones that can curate these empathetic triggers and curate narrative in a way that causes people to coalesce and once

you control the narrative it can control these empathetic triggers you can literally control masses of people millions of people mobs in the street go to war vote for this guy change the country go that direction through i mean it sounds so silly remember 2016 people are like oh i survived the meme war i'm a meme war veteran yeah right it seems so silly then but actually if you think about it now it's actually very very apt i i believe it is fair to say that 4chan memed trump into the presidency i'm not kidding i'm not saying they got him every single vote but they got trump votes the pepe picture with Trump's hair was really cute. There were funny things that would pop up that someone would see, and then someone else would laugh and be like, make your own.

Laugh. Join the fun. And people were laughing and sharing memes, and it probably got a bunch of people who are like probably mid to late 20s who are like, you know what? I like what I'm hearing. I like what I'm seeing. This is fun. It's fun. I'm having a good time.

And those memes swung opinions. Definitely. Swung votes. I mean, you know as well as I do, and you had Alumbacari here. He knows as well, too. I mean, dude, there is a connection between Gamergate, 4chan, the issues on 4chan, people coming onto Twitter, all these people who are on 4chan coming onto Twitter finally, the whole Gamerate fiasco and literally that was the trajectory that sort of led to the meme magic that brought trump

into power i was i was talking to somebody a friend of mine about uh the split you know like the tribal cultural warfare stuff and she was telling me you know if we bring people together we can end this and i was like uh i hate to pessimistic, but I don't think you can bridge that divide anymore. But the split happened, you know, in the late 2000s. What ends up happening is, it's like I was saying, you know, like, I'll see them do something and say, I'm sick of this. I think the Republicans are bad, but can you believe what the Democrats are doing? Like, especially COVID relief is so important, they're blaming Mitch McConnell. Oh, I'll criticize Mitch McConnell for adjourning the Senate until the 9th. I think they should have done something. But the problem was Nancy

Pelosi would not accept them constantly giving her what she wanted. So if you go all the way back in time, Gamergate stuff before that, how did this Gamergate happen? It was a gradual tit for tit. Tribes were slowly forming. And then I've mentioned this several, several times. CGP Grey has a great video called This Video Will Make You Angry. Explains how the memes and like the arguments are not made. So he's like, consider it like one side are butterflies and one side are flowers. They actually help each other become more angry and extreme in their views. Because what happens is the, you know, one side, they all argue with each other about the other side.

So you have both sides festering and bouncing ideas around about each other and never actually crossing over and talking to each other. So that just makes the divide get crazier and crazier and crazier. And then every day people say them, them, them and complain about them. And everybody's doing it. And everybody feels justified in doing it myself included yeah and if you remember you know people that have transitions like myself and others that went democrat to deplorable on amazon.com if you if you have a transition usually it's because of some sort of traumatic experience that happens to you something so bad has to happen that you are

willing to let go of your ego attachment to your mental framework and you're willing to reconsider a different perspective. And what I am concerned about right now, and I've just witnessed it by dipping my toe back into Facebook and talking to my old normie friends, is that what traumatic experience is going to happen to them in order to have them shake free of their ego attachment to this mental framework that's been inserted into their brain? Unfortunately, if it's not an individual instance, it's going to have to be a national instance. And, man, who knows what that's going to be or when it's going to happen. You can bridge the divide, alien vision. I talked about that with John Robb. Yeah, probably not, actually. But, you know, some of us are going to want to just nuke them in orbit. Yeah.

Nuke them in orbit. Or some of them are going to welcome them. Others are going to think it's going to be divided then, too. You know what I think it'll be? The aliens will be, you know, they'll have some kind of ideology called, you know, Glorbobism. And Americans are going to be like, we welcome the aliens, but they got to assimilate if they want to come here. And the left is going to be like, they come with wonderful technology across the stars. I think we can hear out their idea, you know, and be welcome. It's always going to be the same things.

I thought there was a moment that COVID was going to be the aliens that brought us together back in the end of February, early March. The lattice against China. That lasted for like, I don't know, four seconds. Hominids evolved. Homo sapien is new, relatively. We used to be all kind of different hominids. I think it's like 40,000 years or something. And then we annihilated the other hominids.

Yeah, brutal warfare. Even the other Homo sapien sapiens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Neander Even the other Homo sapiens sapiens. Yeah. Yeah. Like Neanderthals, Homo florensis. We just killed them all. Homo sapiens sapiens was a sub- There's like seven other Homo sapiens sapiens out there, I think, and they died off.

So if we don't bridge the gap, I think that part of us are going to evolve and then hopefully not annihilate the old ones, but potentially. This is an interesting argument about who would ultimately win in a major conflict, the collectivists or the individualists. And it's a good argument for the collectivists. You think? Absolutely. But they've lost every single time so far. AI.

It's, you know, it's tough. I don't know. Well, you have to come together to win a war. That's why I said it's a good argument, not a definitive question. Well, right. But fighting for other people or fighting for yourself, which happens to benefit other people, is a very powerful difference and a very powerful distinction. So why is Antifa allowed to continue this reign of terror? Oh, well, that's easy because people love the destruction. They love the distraction.

They want to be able to blame Donald Trump for bad things. They've got allies that act in concert and protect each other. Whereas, you know, so the media is absolutely defending Antifa and Black Lives Matter rioters. Now, journalists will talk about the riots for sure. But there are major components of, say, the new york times that will justify it there's there's the book in defense of looting they have powerful media allies and the thing is the really simple way to put it is when i say that journalists will cover the riots those journalists are allied with the activist journalists who defend antifa overtly

not with conservative media so there was a story i was reading earlier from San Antonio Express, I think it was, about Project Veritas' expose on the voter fraud stuff. And the whole thing was just ridiculously poisoned well. Like Veritas released a heavily edited video. They've been accused of deceiving and running smear campaigns. Like before they even told you what they saw, they were making sure you hated Veritas. That is mainstream media allied with the activists. If a conservative outlet publishes news, mainstream establishment media typically says, go F yourself.

That's the power of collectivism. So conservatives do have their collective. It's true. There's like interesting moments where conservatives form collectives and we're seeing rallies for Trump and stuff like that. But what's interesting now is there are things that look like collective behavior that are really just emergent phenomenon and emergent networks that have people who have temporarily, momentarily aligned interests, and therefore they're willing to work in concert with other people in order to achieve this goal that they have in common once the goal dissipates then

the alliance dissipates the goal moves well that's true yeah let's talk about that's why they're not free for free speech anymore that's why it was the left protesting the world trade organization the battle in seattle and now they're in favor of international trade that That's why the Democrats used to say we need to regulate. And now you've got all these Democrats saying, but my private platform, their tribe just said, we're going to realign in this direction. And it's funny because it was a tit for tat. Republicans have a real reason to want Section 230 reform on big tech, because their their constituents are getting banned for saying innocuous things like learn to code. The Democrats then must take the immediate opposite reaction of, but my private platform.

We should agree on this. But no, it's always about being the other and the gold moves. Well, if we want to throw out one major criticism of Donald Trump is that he did not move quickly or with enough strength or with enough force to actually protect the people that helped him get elected over social media in 2016, 2015, et cetera. And it's a little too little, a little too late. It's because the rest of the senators are all taken by corporate interests, moneyed interests. Nobody really, really wants to implement antitrust.

No one really wants to crack down on the corporations. They're all getting money from them. And if Trump had actually been smarter about this earlier on, then it would have actually helped him quite a bit trump could have done one thing he could have just signed up for mines um but i mean it yeah i was with bill ottman uh co-founder along with ian of mines co-founder of mines i had no idea i'm on mines let's do it let's do it so i was with bill we went to the House. It was a social media summit. Oh, yeah. And someone said, will you sign up for an alternate platform?

And Trump said, which one? And a bunch of us are saying things. And it's like, I don't care what it is. I say mine's Ian's in the room. Gap. Parlor. But they're not free software. They are also alternate.

What I'm saying is software is a big deal. All I'm saying is if trump right now posted something saber-rattling you know oh those russians are in china and he put it on mines the media would be forced to report about it and then all of a sudden people would it would be massive press for a new platform that would attract massive user bases and it would offset the the monopoly held by these other what was it called the big three i guess facebook five or whatever twitter and youtube google oh google is it google youtube youtube twitter facebook the big social networks so trump could snap his fingers and just totally you know twitter was dying before trump came twitter was losing users they didn't know what they were

going to do and then trump came along and then trump started tweeting and they loved it yeah and it was great and started bringing all these people to Twitter. And that actually – to be fair, that's the one thing I think Trump inadvertently has to take – well, I will – what's the right way to phrase this? It's not his fault personally, but the action did lead to the mass tribalization through Twitter and the fighting and all this stuff. Like if Twitter just went away, we'd be a lot better off. But now we've created this, you know, this battlefield for the culture war, which is Twitter. And people are mean on purpose to earn points. I can say the nastiest thing. I get retweets. I likes people like it when I'm nasty. And everyone, everyone does it. Anyway, I digress. Trump could just sign up for any one of these things and it would have just totally shut down the bias. If Trump said Twitter just censored a bunch of my my supporters so i'm going to go sign up and

exclusively post on this platform twitter would be like no no we're going to reinstate them we're going to please we're we're dying twitter stock was tanking it was totally tanking years ago and if trump just said i will leave right now and go post here twitter would have been like we're so sorry uh donald we're gonna unban it was a mistake um all of these people milo and alex jones are welcome back on the platform and um we're just trying to protect speech it would happen that makes me think that you know that part of the trump phenomenon was him just getting on the right wave at the right time you know it's like a balance is it really just is he like a super genius and he was able to like make all this happen or was he just perfectly crafted

to ride the wave at the right time because this is a major a major issue that could have been resolved he's he's he's not the cause of and i've said it a lot he's he's he's a symptom of the existing cultural yeah the culture the growing culture or whatever it is and a lot of people i mean pc was a big issue for a lot of trump supporters when i traveled around in 2015 and 16 i went to a trump rally and it was i think it was janesville wisconsin maybe it was just near janesville and i talked to some young guys early 20s late you know late teenagers and they were trump supporters and i said what brings you out here and they were like the pc culture stuff is just getting crazy these are guys who group on south park and family guy man they make really offensive

jokes about you know jewish people and gay people and black people that's like we were all raised on this kind of really offensive humor the family guy i could be wrong about this story but i remember one of the reasons for their cancellation was that they had an episode called when you wish upon a weinstein and it was peter finds like he tracks on a Jewish guy and then says, I need help with my accounting. And he's like, how did you know that I'm an accountant? And then, you know, he makes a joke. So this is so I don't know if that's why they got canceled, but it was like a lost episode

and they brought it back. You got these young guys who grew up on that. And so that leads them to supporting Trump. The memes, the offensive jokes, all that stuff. Interestingly, same rally, the older working class guys who are like mid to late 40s were saying factories, trade deals. And I even met some of these guys who were pro Bernie before, you know, Bernie dropped, like got knocked out and then they went to Trump. Yeah. Yeah.

I did a survey and 90% of people that voted for Donald Trump in this survey cited one reason as a response to political correctness. You know, that's not a myth. That's a real thing. And it's it's about people feeling stifled and not able to just be who they are, just be crass or just make jokes or whatever. It just was it was a big deal for people. It still is. So this is interesting because so long as you have Trump, who is the S poster in chief, and he can say bombastic stuff, then we can be ourselves because we're not nearly as crazy as Trump is. You know what I mean?

No. When Trump goes up there and he says all this stuff, you know that your worst is not as bad as Trump has been at certain points. Like when he called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig. He's been a lot better. He's the foil in like liturgy. He would be the foil. He's actually gotten a lot better. He's the foil in like liturgy. He would be the foil. He's actually gotten a lot better. I remember at a rally recently, he was like, I'm not going to say it because they're going to get mad at me if I do.

And I was like, there he goes. He's trying to tone it down a little bit. Speaking of people feeling, what word did you use? Not oppressed, but stifled and not wanting to feel stifled. He wants to open up the economy. And Biden wants to keep it shut down, talking about stifling people so so right right that's a good point this is why i bring up the uh the pc stuff and what he said was saying because now cancel culture is worse than ever like worse it's it's worse than the worst i've ever seen it my life yeah like what they're

going after joe rogan right now because he had alex jones on dude they should let milo back onto twitter what the milo was a troublemaker he's a troublemaker yeah well for sure his account if he violated but let him make a new account what the yeah i was missing my old the other day so i dug up an old post i remembered of his and i tweeted it out it was titled like an update on my fame or something and it was just him talking about how he has like 300 000 followers and this many youtube views and da da da da da but it really was a thoughtful piece on about why independent media is very important. And it's not Milo that they're concerned about. He even said it is the people that come after Milo that they're really worried about, people that are free, emboldened, able to speak their mind, rabble-rousers, troublemakers, et cetera.

And this piece just cracked me up. So I dug it up from like 2016, tweeted it out the other day. And all the people that were with me from back then, they remember the nostalgia of the Milo Twitter days, which that's when I got on board Twitter, really. It really was. It was fun. It really was. YouTube in 2006 was crazy.

Before Google bought them, you could say anything. Dude, the bulletin board system I had in 1986, now that was bad ass. We had two lines people could call in at the same time. It was amazing. Wow, dude. 9,600 baud, bro. You couldn't say anything. I mean, it was like-

90? Yeah, late 80s, early 90s. Wow. It was like- Oh, sorry to interrupt. No, no, no. Oh, yeah, YouTube encouraged the anti-war movement in 2000. Like, they were so on board.

Chad Hurley. We should get Chad Hurley on the show. Remember when Philip DeFranco hosted Gary Johnson? No. I think it was Gary Johnson, was it? He did a big thing with YouTube Election Night where they had, like, Gary Johnson come in. YouTube knew at that point, like back then, that they were an alternative space to the mainstream. Yeah.

And they reveled in it. Now YouTube is the mainstream, and they're scared of losing the position so they're banning whoever whenever they did a big purge recently of what they called like q anon or conspiracy channels not all of them were but they don't have the voice or the or the or the pr ability to do anything about it so smaller channels so smaller accounts are getting nuked every day. So they could ban someone who's moderately big, and then it creates a big uproar. Then they go, okay, okay, oops, it was a mistake.

And then they keep doing the same thing. They're just trying to avoid the controversy. Yeah, I've been posting more videos to my YouTube channel that's been going well, but yet there's always this nagging thought in the back of my mind. It's like, how much investment should I really put in this? Go all the way. I am going all the way. I'm going full-blown Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.

It's a lot of fun, and the videos have been very well received. Tim's audience has been tremendous in coming by. Yeah, everybody loves you, man. And even support. They all say, Tim sent me. They love your beard. Tim sent me. They love Tom Segura.

You're sending them. We've got to get Jack and Tom Segura in the room. Yes, we do. They look so much alike. They look really similar, I guess. Their bone structure, their voices are similar. Every other comment is about Tom Segura. Tom Segura. Tom, I have no idea who you are, dude, but everybody in Tim's comments thinks that we

look alike. He's one of Rogan's friends. Good friends. Married to Christina P. They have Your Mom's House is their show. Check out Your Mom's House on YouTube. This is interesting about the Joe Rogan thing with the cancel culture stuff is that Spotify has an email that got leaked to BuzzFeed where they said, we're not going to take action against this channel because they hosted a guest on their own show.

Spotify is saying we can't do anything about it. And they said sometimes people might actually want to flag violations of our community guidelines, but this show not violate those guidelines so don't just flag things because of what you heard in the press oh so did did the uh alex jones interview go out on spotify yeah yeah oh it went out on spotify well i mean you say of course but they they like didn't load up the back catalog of those i guess joe said that was because they were corrupted the files were corrupted which i know it sounds really weird right especially episode 9-1-1 really yeah was that was that the first alex jones episode was joe rogan 9-1-1 oh it was 9-11 that was when i would love to go so deep on 9-11 because i have a lot of information about the conspiracies of 9-11 i i have thermite and other no crazy i've read i've read so much about it and i think a lot of information about the conspiracies of 9-11, the nanothermite and other crazy stuff.

I've read so much about it, and I think a lot of – the problem with online conspiracy stuff is that – and this is what I've said about Alex Jones. They – if you connect – like, imagine you have a big connect-the-dots puzzle picture, and there's, like, 10,000 dots, and if you connect them in the proper order, it's an elephant. But if it's a bunch of random dots and you start connecting them you could draw an alligator yeah a really crude one but you'd be like there was an alligator the whole time and it's like no look at the things you missed you didn't connect the dots i don't know how how much we're allowed to talk about 9-11 on youtube and stay monetized none i just don't at all yeah i never have not at all

yeah you bring it up it's instant demonetization that's crazy because they actually have a specific category for discussing modern acts of terror yeah and it's like itetization. That's crazy. Because they actually have a specific category for discussing modern acts of terror. Yeah, and it was the instigation for this entire war in the Middle East. We're not talking about 9-11. That's right, Ian. No, I didn't even bring it up. No, no. I worked there at Ground Zero.

Wow. I was 10 feet away from the pile. I didn't walk up on it because I didn't have clearance. I heard Donald Trump was down there. He totally was. And there was like, yeah, he was. It's funny because they try and claim it's false i guess they do this thing with fact

checking where they're like donald trump claims that he was on the ground shortly after 9 11 the 9 11 uh you know tax occurred with a big bucket of chocolate ice cream and then you're like ah wait wait and there's a picture of him down there but then they're like he actually wasn't there and it's like there's a picture of him down there right. Right. I don't know what the actual story is. Like he was helping or something. I don't know. Yeah. Britney Spears came down.

So the official story on the Spotify not migrating the older Alex Jones episodes was that the files were corrupted. I think that's what Joe said. And Gavin too. I think Joe said that the files were corrupted. To be fair, there are often times that we stream and like for some reason the recording corrupts dude it's annoying and then we'll try to go to youtube to download it and it's grayed out and i can't do anything about it and then i'll try to

like the video will play the full two hours and then i'll go to like one of these youtube downloading sites and try and download it and it won't work so you know what i have to do i have to screen capture the whole show and let it play because it's there the file's there let me download it i'll say this it happens you know we've had that problem you can tell because we've had a bunch of episodes that were like really low res true because we had we had a recording error where for some reason it was not recording probably way to fix it so it's it's true this could have happened to joe the only issue is that it was like very specific people who like didn't make it but look look i think i got sent an email uh from actually

a couple people were pointing out that joe rogan's guest list like all of a sudden alex jones disappeared from it and they were like it's spotify they're coming after him and then he had alex jones on right and now they're all mad about it and he did what he was planning on doing i don't know. He's going to host We Want to Host. Maybe there were more Corruptive Files, too. I didn't really get the full disclosure where they're like, tongue, like 30, 40, 50 episodes. And then Alex was one of them. Yeah.

Gavin was one of them. I don't know. I don't know. I think, I wonder if, you know, we had Enrique Tarrio on this show. And I was wondering, I was like, are they going to ban me? Are they going to be like, oh, no, he's platforming these guys. I'm like, I don't care. Because, you know, look, I have was wondering, I was like, are they going to ban me? Are they going to be like, oh no, he's platforming these guys. I'm like, I don't care because, you know, look,

I have my limits, I suppose. I'm sure we'll find them when it happens. But I think if someone's extremely relevant to the conversation, we talk to them about it. And it was absurd to me

that the journalists were saying, don't interview the Proud Boys. I'm like, first of all, let me tell you something. I'm an American. I thought this was a miracle. You know what happens when you come to me and tell me not to do something?

Guess what? There's this really great story. This is our space, Lee. There's this really great story. Check it out. Where some dude, his friend put a Trump sign in his yard to mess with him because the guy was like not super political. And then so the guy was just like, I don't feel like moving it. My friend put it in to kind of screw with me because he knew like, oh, you got your own flag.

But then the city came and were like, take that flag, that sign down. And he was like, what? So he put up like 30 of them. Exactly right. He was like, you tell me what it is. Exactly right. He said, I never care what it's like in the first place. But you come to me and tell me what to do and I'm going to do the opposite.

Look, Tim, I want to give you kudos, man. I think it's a great idea to have people on from both sides of the aisle. I think it's a great idea to have people on that don't agree with you. I think it is an intellectual necessity to ask, inquire, and try to understand people who think differently than you do. So good for you, dude. I really appreciate that. The other thing, too, is if you think you don't need to hear the other side's arguments...

Yeah, then you're the douchebag. Well, that's arrogant, dude, because I tell you this. I think it's true that the left's got some things right, the right's got some things right. Right now, I just think the left has got most of it wrong. Yeah. And so it changes. I remember back during Occupy when, like I mentioned the story about the cops throwing

the National Lawyers Guild against the car. In that instance, the National Lawyers Guild guy was innocent story about the cops throwing the national lawyers guild against the car in that instance the national lawyers guild guy was innocent the cops were seriously violating his rights i've seen stuff like that happen before today the national lawyers guild is overtly defending one ideology that are targeting the police and throwing bricks and molotovs and it's it's like i i hear a lot of journalists they're like you know i have friends who are still reporting and they're like the cops are still doing these things and i'm like, you know, I have friends who are still reporting and they're like, the cops are still doing these things. And I'm like, dude, you can't for 40, you know, for 50 nights, I think it was 30, 36 or 38 when they kept going to the federal court building and breaking in and then complain, the cops are arresting you and trying to clear the area. If you're walking down the street on a night of protests and the cops arrest you, by all means, I respect your right to complain.

And, you know, depending on the circumstances, But after 38 nights and you bring a blowtorch to cut a lock, you're like, but the police are trying to arrest journalists now. It's like, or are they just like, it's been 38 nights and we've got to put an end to this? Like there are limits. There's reasonable limits or whatever. But I think things change. You know, the early 90s cancel culture was very much a right wing thing. You know, shutting down the rappers, explicit labels and all that stuff. And we talked about the sister, the religious moral authoritarians.

And now now it's the left. And for me, it's like if if you don't listen to the other side, I think it's I think I think it's a fear thing that you might actually find out that your worldview has holes in it. Totally. Or you'll get rewired or something. You're teaching the kids bad information. There are certainly things that, like, you know, we could bring in someone that could say something really, really awful for sure. But, I mean, look, you've got to have mental fortitude. Right.

And so I'll say this. If you have blind spots, you need someone to, you someone to challenge you so you can figure out what those are. Steel manning better than straw manning. So a steel man argument is when you take the strongest argument from your opponent and go after it, as opposed to a straw man, which you can knock down very easily. And also, you need to know your enemy. Not that people on the other side of the aisle are your enemy, but it's like Sun Tzu art of war stuff. Know thy enemy. If you want to win a war, you to know what and think how they think where they are what they're going to do and i'll say one more thing imagine you're like lifting weights you're trying to get

ripped and you're like i'm going to use smaller weights today that'll help it won't it won't talking to the same people the same opinions and never being challenged is like trying to lift weights but you're going smaller instead of bigger. Yeah. Bring on those challenges. Again, kudos for that. I've tried to do the same. I invited a Democrat onto my show and we had the interview and it was fantastic and I was really excited to release it. It was a different perspective than mine, but we found some common ground and I got

a phone call from him, panicked later. And he's like, dude, you can't release it. Don't release it. What? Don't release it because he was afraid that the people around him in his universe were going to whatever, cancel him for appearing on my, I didn't know it was right wing. Did you release it? No, I did not release it. I'm itching to release it because it's so good.

I think you're obligated to release it. I don't think so. Well, maybe you can. How do I disrespect my guests like that? I can't. I think I have a different perspective from you. If I brought someone in here, they're like, I want to be on your show. I'll do your show.

And then later we're like, no, no, no, no, no. I'll be like, no, no, no, dude. Did it. I dedicated my time to you. I made you guarantees. I gave you a space. You spoke. You got scared later.

You can't put me out like that. I feel that. I read you guarantees. I gave you a space. You spoke. You got scared later. You can't put me out like that. I feel that. I read the book. I spent 15 hours prep. I was very detailed. And you don't know if anything's actually going to happen. I know. He's just freaking out, and it's not fair to you.

There's two pieces of the equation. I agree. I agree. But I also want to be able to invite other people on the show, too. So what's the argument, then? Some guy says, did you invite him or did he i invited him so as i was once invited to a show i agreed to be on and spent time on and then later regretted doing it and he published it people are going to be like then just don't don't go on the show yeah i don't know maybe it's just the place we're live

so i mean like once you're in the chair you're in the chair and everybody can see you know i this is something that i talked about with friends and advisors. Like, should I release it? Should I release it? And, you know, what they said to me was like, look, you know, you want to be able to invite other people on the show. You want people to know that you treat them fairly. You want to be respectful to these other people. Yes, it was disrespectful to me.

It wasted a lot of my time and energy. But you have an agreement. And you didn't change the terms of that agreement. I did not. And it also just feeds into this culture, right? It just feeds into this fearful culture. We could have been an example of how to have communication across the aisle in a productive way and find common ground. I think finding the common ground might have been the part that scared him the most.

I think you're obligated to put it up. I think you should talk to him and get him to agree to put it up i tried i tried to put it up no i take offense to that you don't have to you have to he doesn't have to he already agreed to do your show he did your show and you did work and took time out of your life to get it done and now he's coming back to you with regret saying no don't yeah no no the agreement was made the conditions were met we did it it's done it's going up you can't after all of that like imagine someone comes to you and says i want you to spend you know a week building me a dog house and then as soon as you do it they walk up and say nah i'm gonna knock it over and destroy it you're like whoa whoa whoa whoa tim's bullying me into releasing

this podcast listen listen imagine a culture where every single time you did an interview afterwards they went no yeah how many this would be like a a kind of protest sit-in where they would be like hey jack i'll come on your show they'll do it and say now don't release it because i want you to right you know my mistake was that i sat on it it was i recorded it like two days before covid like before the nba games got called and all that so like like the conversation in the world just changed and you know so we were just like i'm just all right, let me just wait to the right time. Well, maybe it's irrelevant now. Oh, no.

No, it's an evergreen issue. I once was standing on the street in Berkeley, and I was filming. I have a GoPro and a gimbal that I would walk around. It was a really cool thing, great steady shot. And I was talking about what was going on when all of a sudden this woman started just interrupting me because I was saying things like, so I'm here, you know, Berkeley, we just saw a bunch of Trump supporters. And then she started talking and started saying things. And so then I holding the camera, I turned and faced her and she kept going. And then I interviewed her for several minutes.

And then she noticed the camera and she kept going. And I was like asking her questions and all that stuff. She said something about like the Trump supporters deserve to get hit because they're coming here and they know what to expect. And then I said, so that's kind of like saying the woman deserved it because she was wearing a skimpy outfit. And then she like agreed in some way. The video is up on my channel.

And then after I was like, after we finished talking, I walked away. She came up to me and she goes, don't use any of that. And I was like, don't use any of that. And I was like, don't use any of what? And she's like, you were filming me when I was talking. And I was like, yes, I'm standing on a public street. I was talking. You interrupted me. You started saying things. I asked you questions. Now you don't want me to use it. I was like, you interrupted me. And she was like, no, but you can't. And for obvious reasons, she was going to get annihilated. I blurred her face, but I used it. That's fair. Yeah. I don't, I don't want to want to i don't want to destroy someone's life but that was a compromise that i did not need to make if

you come up to me on the public street and interrupt me while i'm filming i could just use it but i wanted to be i wanted to be nice i don't want to create any problem so i blurred her face and then let it let it ride in this instance however i was like if someone agreed and said i'm going to come into an interview and then later was like, please don't publish it, you know what? I actually had this happen. I did an interview with a guy who said he was a former Hezbollah, and he – I mean, this was in Sweden. He had scars, and he talked about a lot of crazy things. And then afterwards, it was edited and went live, and then he asked me to take it down. I said no.

And he was like, you don't understand. It's going to put people in danger. I'm like, bro, it's up. It's done. I was like, you did the interview. We, we, we, we just put it up. It's done. It's over. All right. I'm going to give this some thought. I mean, people have gone through my podcast list and there's, I left a gap. It goes number 29 to number 31. So it's there. I do have a thought if I may, before we go to super chats, which we are going to do, I think in a minute. So, um, I think what, what might happen if you end up not going through with this and not putting

up this podcast is that people will use it to stall you out. If they don't like you, they're going to be like, I'm going to take this man's time. I'm going to waste his time, man. It's like a sit in. Yeah.

I don't like it. Like what, what's the point of that? Like, so I do them all. Tim, Tim cast IRL inspired. I do them all live on YouTube.

Heck yeah, man. Oh, cool. That's awesome. Well, super chats, man. You know, people do it. I love the super chats. That's the best part. I do them all live on YouTube now. Heck yeah, man. There you go. Oh, cool. That's awesome. Well, super chats, man. Yes, do it. I love the super chats.

Me too. Well, when you do it live, you get actual interaction. Yes, amazing. I love it. I'm just going to ask this question right now because it's right in front of me. Jack Coyle says, what is your opinion on the Killdozer incident? Oh, snap. Killdozer.

That's so cool. You guys don't remember Killdozer. I know the term, but I couldn't. So some guy, right? Yes. I'm going to give you the, I barely Killdozer. So cool. You guys don't remember. I know the term, but I couldn't. So some guy, right? Yes. I'm going to give you the, I barely remember the story. Oh, man. Some guy had like his own business.

I forgot what it was. And then the city says, we're going to start building this thing next to your business. And it shut down the road. He complained saying like, you're destroying my business. And they said, screw yourself. And so he built the Killdozer, which was this giant bulldozer armored and then he started driving around rampaging i think he destroyed the dude's house with the and they were shooting he couldn't do it they couldn't penetrate it they couldn't stop him and then he ended up getting what's up he's being in

the corner sorry the cat the cat's being in the corner i'm afraid throw the antifa water bottle oh it's a protest it's an antifa protest now i had to use the antifa tech he just i can't believe he did that whilst on the kill dog story it was really intense oh man okay let's try this again we gotta get the spritz bottle yeah we do you know what you know what he's doing it's because it's getting close to dinner time for him, and he's pressing his luck. He knows that forces us to get up and go after him. Fucker, you son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. Anyway, the dude ended up falling into a basement, I guess, and getting trapped.

In the killdozer. Yeah, I think he may have killed himself. Here's a story. I should read it. Wow. Yeah. It's a crazy story. All right, here we go.

Here we go. Here we go. Check it out. Summary. Marvin John Hemeyer was an American welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner who demolished numerous buildings of the modified bulldozer in Granby, Colorado, on June 4, 2004. Colorado, man. Yeah.

Hemeyer had feuded with Granby town officials, particularly over fines for violating city health ordinances, when he chose to improperly dump sewage from his business instead of connecting to the city's sewer system. His feud came to a head on June 4, 2004. Over about 18 months, Hemeier had secretly modified a Komatsu D355A bulldozer by adding layers of steel and concrete intended to serve as armor. He used this to demolish Granby Town Hall, the former mayor's house, and several other buildings. Heemeyer's rampage concluded with his suicide

after his bulldozer became trapped in the basement of a hardware store he had been in the process of destroying. So it was a zoning dispute. They say that he purchased two acres of land. The federal agency organized to handle the assets of the failed Savings and Loan Associations for $42,000 to build a muffler shop. He subsequently agreed to handle the assets of the failed savings and loan associations for $42,000 to build a muffler shop.

He subsequently agreed to sell the land to Cody Docheff to build a concrete batch plant. According to Susan Docheff, Hemeyer changed his mind and increased the price, then a deal with approximately a million dollars. Some believe that this negotiation happened before the rezoning proposal. In 2001, Granby's zoning commission and trustees approved the construction of the concrete plant. Hemeyer unsuccessfully appealed the decision, claiming the construction blocked access to his shop. He was subsequently fined $2,500 by the town council and a city judge for various violations, including not being hooked up to the sewer line. So it looks like the initial framing was wrong. He had initially been unable to connect to the new sewer line as the line ran 60 feet away from his property and the city expected him to pay the nearly $80,000 cost of laying

the connector. After the concrete plant was built, the city council denied him the easement necessary to join to the new line underneath. I recommend Count Dankula's video. Oh, he's got a video on it. A mad lad. Kildozer. We were supposed to be doing Superchats. Anyway, he's got a video on it. A mad lad. Kildozer. Oh, man.

We were supposed to be doing Super Chats. Anyway, yes. That was a strong start. So, yeah, he went on a rampage because, well, I think he agreed to something that he took his agreement, reneged on the agreement afterwards, just like your guests. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying. Why not to make an agreement and then take it back? The other cat's coming for their turn now.

She's chased him out of here. Oh, no. All right. I'll just read some of these super chats. Let's see. We got David Merwin says, Tim, you rock. Thank you. Thank you.

Fractal says, please get Alex Jones on your show. That would be incredible. He's actually been coming up a lot lately. I'm trying, man. We might. Talk to his producer. I don't know if it's going to happen. But I was like like when i saw so

we had we had vaushan i had a bunch of right-wing people being like how dare you and we got i think 15 thumbs down from people because most people who watch the show are like you know chill and willing to hear but some people didn't like it and and i respect you don't have to like it's fine but a lot of people were tweeting at me saying things like how dare you and stuff like that then i so that happened and I don't care. But then I saw what was happening with Alex Jones, and I'm like, isn't that so funny? It's like not like we're as big as Rogan or anything, but Rogan gets attacked by the left for Jones, and I get flack from the right for Vosh. And I thought it was hilarious.

I was like, bring it on, Alex. Come on the show. Just come on in. We're going to go with it. And then it might actually happen. Sick. I don't know when or whatever. I hope so. Election night. Yes. Sick. I don't know when or whatever. I hope so.

Election night. I'm down. I wish. That would have been awesome if he was here. Alex, special appearance. Election night. I already talked to him. He's far away.

He's got to do his own show. Yeah, sorry. That'd be so funny if he just popped in. It'd be really fun. Kirnoff says, thanks for the podcast. Would have been great to have Jack Murphy on for yesterday's show. True. I like Jack.

You want to debate an Antifa? That'd be fun. We should. Wait, wait, wait. We could do it. Let's do it. podcast would have been great to have jack murphy on for yesterday's show true i like jack you want to you want to you want to debate an antifa oh that'd be fun we should wait wait we could do it i mean vosh is not the colloquial understanding of antifa you know what i mean so i don't want to say you know he's antifa did he come in with the pink gas mask on because that is that all black and a water bottle is lurking around andking around, and we were like, vosh. He was like, you got me. No, no, he came like a normal guy with normal clothes. That's awesome. I think it's silly how apprehensive people are about it.

It's like, oh, no, he has other opinions. He's like a political philosopher that makes – he talked about like a child porn and was like, okay, people ignore the child slavery in Africa where they're mining rare earth minerals to make our cell phones and stuff and and he was like okay if you're gonna turn a blind eye to that then child porn should be fine you're gonna exploit children in that venue well i'll exploit children in this venue what's the difference i'll put it this way i explained that kind of poorly they put up a clip video where he's only saying the last part like this should be moral and acceptable and his explanation was he was basically saying the child exploitation of kids and minds is as bad and you know so like why why are we okay with reaping the benefits of this and then all of a sudden these people started sharing the clips and there's no contextual defense of this i didn't see the video i didn't watch his stream so i'm not saying that to defend

right he's like that's what his explanation he's a philosopher he really is and philosophers get a lot they killed socrates because he would repeat he would make i'm just saying that's what his explanation was. He's a philosopher. He really is. And philosophers get a lot of, they killed Socrates because he would make, I'm sure, that's just what philosophy is. You make crazy, continue. I'm just saying the dude has difference of opinions. I love it. I'm more than happy to have people come here and give them. I would love a chance to have a conversation where the other guy can't leave.

Yes, do it. Or hit me with a brick. Yeah, man. So I got a bunch of people saying that your mic is bad. Your mic is bad. I think we fixed it. We got it. We did. We do it. Or hit me with a brick. Yeah, man. So I got a bunch of people saying that your mic is bad. Your mic is bad. We got it. We did. We got it.

Barney Boyle says, I don't resent Vosh because of different views. I resent that he, as you revealed, lives in an echo chamber and condescends people who are better informed than him. Well, wasn't it fantastic that we got him out of his echo chamber and had a conversation with him? And he acknowledged he's in an echo chamber. He's like, I'm in some far-off circles, man. And the truth is, we're in an echo chamber, too, if all of our guests are always of similar way of thinking. That's why we brought him in some far left circles, man. And the truth is, we're in an echo chamber too if all of our guests

are always of similar way of thinking. That's why we brought him in, man. Hey, I voted for Obama. Me too. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it's like, you know we have a lot of

former liberals and we have a lot of conservatives. Yeah. And it's like, we all easily get along. The funny thing is, 20 years ago,

it would have been like, wow, can you believe they're bringing on the left and the right? It's like crossfire. Now it's like, we all kind of mostly agree. Yeah.

Well, it is the cool kids club. That's correct. Yeah. The coolest kids. Out here at the Combo Castle. You like video games. Yeah, man. That's a requirement.

Magic is coming up next. Sure is. Yeah. I brought a deck. Is that what you call it? Oh, yeah, yeah. You ever play D&D? Oh, yes.

Back in the day. Yeah, Bosh is a dm oh never mind i hate dnd oh if antifa likes it i know so uh jobby j says when you move your van down by the river make sure you start a fishing journal you need to know what and when they are biting uh let's see isn't there isn't there there's a lesson in that comment actually i remember the video that you made when you're like um you here it was down it was literally down in the forest you're like I'm over all this I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that if you did actually do do that you may have an uncontrollable urge to express yourself it would just be about the environment

that you're in I'd be making a video and I'd be like everybody today I was down you're not gonna believe this is crazy there's a fish can I believe the white fish and this one fish? Get out of here. And then a beaver shows up. You have to create. I once saw beavers in Chicago. It was the craziest thing.

I like Michigan. Oh, really? Yeah, no. It's like the lakefront is fake. It's fake sand and it's concrete. So I was in an area by this golf thing. And it was concrete. And there were just beavers walking along the edge of the concrete.

And I was like, what are those beavers doing here? I guess they live there. i spent 20 seconds watching a beaver eat lettuce on twitter yesterday dude it was love it it was really good excellent use of time look at it up i love it i look it up nice i'll look it up man can't believe i just admitted that i'm glad you did johan oldman says, Tim, you should have Vosh on again, but this time with James Lindsay, too. Oh, yeah. Has James been up here? Someday. No, but I mean,

he's a great guy. Great guy. He did a spot on my show a while back before the book came out. Not fair. Great guy. First of all, not fair. I've had some good guts. Brian Barton says, I'm from Eastern PA. We have always been Trump, except Philly. There is Trump rallies every week on the Susquehanna Bridge. Is that how you pronounce it?

In Lancaster. I'm sorry, Lancaster. Is that Lancaster? Lancaster. There you go. The Lehigh Valley has been and will continue to be a key component to Trump's reelection. It was a key component in 2016. That's why I went there, interviewed people in there.

Lehigh Valley, we're counting on you. Get out the boat. This is cool. Big Megatech says, hey Tim, there's a Flash game called We Are What We Behold, where you act as the news in a world of circle people and square people. You play the game by inciting violence between the two factions. You think reality sometimes

parodies fiction. Interesting. You sell them the guns and then you Jack. Sell, You fund the people rebuilding. Acoustic Theory says Cop Chopters. Cop Chopters. Yes.

Thank you for that super chat. Best super chat ever. Cop Chopters. Yeah, man. Cop Chopters. Let's get started. Aaron Freeman says,

Have you seen the Decade of Health video played on Channel 4 in UK? Has Bill Gates Foundation in the credits? It's the Great Reset Agenda 2030 right here. Really, really creepy. Interesting. What's it called?

Decade of Health. Owl Aquatics says, how often does Jack dye his beard? Never. Why would I dye it like this? When did it become that color? So one night I woke up and boom, it was there. I swear to God, it happened overnight. I see pictures and it's all red

and brown just like the front. One day, bam. Dude, that's epic. I swear to God, it happened overnight. I see pictures and it's all red and brown, just like the front. One day, bam. Dude, that's epic. But wait, like, doesn't the hair have to like go somewhere? I don't know what happened. It really, it really happened very quickly. And it hasn't progressed at all. It just stayed just like this.

Something about the consciousness, like the vibration of what we are. When you're living your honest self, you become like really in tune with the matrix. And it's like creating a physical manifestation of it. Absolutely what Ian said. Yes, exactly. Lemon Dropcake says, please invite Laura Loomer. She has been deplatformed more than any of your past guests. Thanks for your video about her and her campaign.

This is what I said on Twitter. And I'm not saying this to be disrespectful. Relevant to the current conversation. So it's like there's a ton of people i could invite uh you know people are mentioning some america first people like the groper's and stuff and i'm like i'm not trying to be disrespectful i'm just saying you know the people we invite like enrique tarrio was because it just came up in the news and we're like we got to get this guy but that being said i'm not saying no to these people definitely i i think laura loomer is particularly relevant right now, especially with her campaign, because Donald Trump just voted for her. I mean, that blew my mind.

I mean, look, I met Laura when she had like 1,500 followers, was working for James up in New York at Project Veritas, and she was itching to get out there and go big and do things. And just four years later. Massive. things and just four years later massive four years later she's in the situation where she's so punk rock now like by hijacking the system that she's got actually has donald trump literally voting for literally voting for her to go to congress that is incredible to be to be fair we don't know for sure but straight republican right exactly he's not going to vote for the democrat and she was the nominee. There it is. And what county was Trump in?

What district was that? I don't remember the name exactly. But it includes Broward, doesn't it? It's not going to go red. Oh. Maybe. I don't know about that. Maybe.

Populism. Yeah. Powerful force. All right, here we go. What is this? Fox Coon says, Tucker just tweeted, damning Hunter Biden documents suddenly vanish. That's what I heard. I haven't been able to confirm that, so I didn't say anything.

Okay, let me see what I can find. Isaac and Baraka says, Jack, good to see you on as always. Love what you do. Yesterday's live chat was more annoying than the guest. As fans, we represent the work of the host. I learned more about Vosh from his fans than from Vosh himself. Interesting. Yeah, you do have a real whole sort of

community there in the comments, man. It was so cool to see Vosh's community in your community. Clashing? Yeah, or like just melding. I love it when they were like, he just owned Tim! Oh, and there's videos popping up from the left Twitter where they're like Tim Pool destroyed, and it's like the weird thing about all that is like I'm i'm welcoming these people in i'm not worried i i it's like

i'm not approaching this like oh no i i've been defeated i'm just like whatever i'm not smart i liked vosh and now i like tim like i'd see oh yeah it was awesome you know you notice most people most regular people are just like i disagree with this guy because people say to me all the're like, Tim, I really disagree with you, but I think you do good work. I get that all the time, too. So the background on the Tucker thing is that he did just put a bit out. I don't have a piece of news for you, but we got a bit from him. And then if you guys want to go look it up, do it. Check it out.

I'm really curious. Addicted to drums says interview Gavin McInnes, Tim. Let him tell his story that'd be fun maybe like i said we we try to book uh the big so that many people may have realized we we have a couple different kinds of shows when jack's here it's kind of we hang out and talk when shamus is here we kind of just hang out and talk like recurring guests coming and chilling and then we have like stronger interview guests we're like you and him talk you and them talk or whoever he or she

and i sit i usually sit silent during those well it's kind of just because they get really really serious and really intense you know so like enrique tarrio you know he starts saying things and it's like okay this is like very very uh heavy stuff and so we've only done a couple of these but like the goal is o'keefe was a good one yeah james o'keefe man that was that was great he was that was amazing and so yeah when we have theseeefe man that was great that was amazing and so yeah when we have these like you know

big players are coming in and they're going to say things that are going to have actual weight on the political world yeah you know then it's like

they're very serious and then we have kind of chill hangout guests who might show up when we just talk and you know do whatever so you know

we'll see and here I thought I was the serious one you are the serious one I'm the serious one there's oh here we go. Take Video says,

Kyle Kalinsky would be a great guest. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Definitely. Kyle would be fantastic. Kyle's a good dude. I love... His tweets are funny, man.

I don't know if you saw, like, his tweets during the debates, but I can't remember what he said. It was something about Biden, and then he posted that Vaporwave meme and says, stab me in the balls with a pencil. Like, that's...'s like the debate was awful

that Kyle's a good dude Matt Mitchell says Tucker Carlson tweeted that a copy of their Hunter Biden documents were mysteriously stolen without a trace while they were in transit to him across the country it's getting spicy oh yeah Torin Donowski says, I'm in Philly. Get out of my city thing is like being at an Eagles game as an opposing fan. The only response is, F off, I live here. You live in South Jersey. The hysterical fanboy. That reminds me. Are you going to leave the city?

I am definitely leaving the city. I've lived in Washington, D.C. 30 years. I literally built the city, built buildings, built schools, built institutions. My kids were born there, went to school there. My only hometown. The only tattoo I ever considered was a DC flag. And now I'm done. I'm out.

Nice. Well, there's houses around here. Hopefully you buy one of them. Undisclosed Combo Castle location. Correct. Pauly V says, Tim, did you see the bill introduced in Scotland that talks about hate speech? Around the table must be prosecuted? That's pretty crazy.

Wait, what? That's creepy. Yeah. Grandpa said a racist thing. Call the police. Carlos Cruz says the problem isn't the attachment of their ego to a certain framework, but instead their attachment of the idea of an ego. XXXYYY says voting for Trump is akin to me being a huge marilyn manson fan the night in the 90s or 2000s listen to manson speeches from his concerts same energy same media hatred moral panic deplorables in society the right protested me then free speech left protests me now yeah

that's funny marilyn manson fans for trump yep definitely He's a big two-way guy. He is. Oh, man, we got to get him on then. I mean, can I come that day? Yeah, of course. All right, sweet. Yeah, man. Ashley Fuller says, Tim, what do you think of Trump's executive order creating Schedule F in the accepted service? It really wasn't covered at In the Media. What is that?

Do you know what that is? No. I don't know. Don't know. I am uninformed. Send the link next time. Yeah, man. Come on.

Paterus Rex says, Tim, I live outside of Bexar County, and seeing this here so close to me scares me, but all I can do is share the videos and talk to people. And the X in Bexar is silent, so it's pronounced Bear. Oh, okay. Interesting. Bear County.

Thank you for what you do. That's the James O'Keefe stuff, where the lady's like, I can deliver you votes. Oh, that is crazy. Yeah, dude. You did a video on that today, right? Yeah, and yesterday, where she's on the phone, and the guy's like, I can deliver you votes. Oh, that is crazy. Yeah, dude. You did a video on that today, right? Yeah.

And yesterday, where she's on the phone and the guy's like, how much? And she's like, $55,000. How many votes will you get me? And he's like, I want them all. Top ticket Hunter. I'm sorry. I'll top ticket Hagar Biden. And she's like, 5,000 votes, $55,000.

And then later in the video, this is from Veritas, by the way. The guy's like, so you're getting this $55,000 for 5,000 votes. He goes, shut up. You're making me paranoid. And now she's trying to claim I was stinging them. No, you weren't. You got caught. Give me a break.

Good morning, Sunday morning. Oh, no. Good morning, Sunday morning, says, I know a Philly cop who told me the mayor and police commissioner told him not to arrest looters tonight. Oh, snap. I mean, you know, normally I wouldn't be like, confirmed, Super Chat says it, but I believe it. I do. I mean, they called in a National Guard allegedly yesterday, and they were nowhere to be seen. They were supposed to be on site today.

Were the National Guard on the streets in Philly? Good question. Don't know. Why would they not be there? Jack Posobiec seems to think that the governor of Pennsylvania has it out for the people and wants to see the destruction. Oh, my God. Probably correct. Sung Min Billergyan says, hey, Tim, love the content, even with Vosh.

Would you be willing to entertain military veterans like Jocko Willink? Is it Willink? I love that kid. Tim Kennedy, Matt Best, Evan Hafer, or YouTuber Angry Cops could give different perspective on events. Well, of course. Tim and Jocko are cool. Oh, of course. Tim and Jack are cool. Oh, my God. These are people who are largely going to agree with and have a good time with, you know?

Definitely. Connor says, I'm 23, mixed race, and voted Trump in 2016. Lots of my friends from similar backgrounds and age, even younger, are also voting Trump. Is this demographic and age range really being taken into account, as I've never been polled? Well, they say young people are all going to be voting for biden which is the funniest thing to me imagine being a young person and being like yo i'm punk rock go corporations and a political establishment yeah and the old guy wow who called biden the real punk rock and it was someone i really respected before that it wasn't

seth mcfarland or uh Ricky Gervais, but it was someone like I respect on that level. Do you remember when he was on Twitter? Biden is not, Biden is the real punk. Biden is, are the stodgy parents

from Footloose who are like finally trying to dance and look cool. Like, nah. I just watched that again the other day with my kids. It holds up.

Footloose. And the soundtrack is bomb. I'll have to watch it, dude. Kenny Loggins, dude. Kenny Loggins. You know he did a Top Gun soundtrack, too. I did have to watch it, dude. Kenny Loggins, dude. Kenny Loggins. You know he did a Top Gun soundtrack, too. I did. Yeah, I did do that.

Mike Chilson says, Tim, has Jack heard Biden's corn pop story? I can't stop laughing at it. Thanks for having Jack on again. I really appreciate all of you, all you all do here on YouTube. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you very much. Of course I have, man.

I have my people, they rub things and then the floats in the water. Oh, my gosh. And then they sit on my lap and I don't even know who they are. Can you got any more kids? Where are the kids? 12 trillion. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

Did you know that 300 billion people died in the last year? Oh, my gosh. I did. Someone said, Tim, you said Milo was a troublemaker earlier. I keep hearing people say that, but you can inform me on some specific issues. It doesn't get to me. I'm not saying he's, like, breaking all the rules and deserving of being banned. I'm saying he's a mischievous troll.

One of the things he did was he changed his Twitter bio to BuzzFeed reporter or whatever. So they took his verification badge away. And then I guess, was it at the White House? I mean, that's a legit move, right? If you're pretending to be somebody else and you're verified, they're quite going to take it away. But wasn't it like he went to the White House press corps and he was like, why did they take away my verification badge? Oh, my gosh. He was a troublemaker.

Yeah. But there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It was just he was a troll, you know? Like, he did violate their terms. He did, yeah. As far as I know. So, yeah, his account should have been shut down. No, the violation was about, like, piling people on to make fun of some actress.

Oh, right. That was stupid. The girl from Ghostbusters or whatever. Leslie something. Yeah. Shift W says, Timcast IRL. Would you have Nick Fuentes or Styx on your IRL podcast? Yes.

Here's what I can say about this. Styx, I know and watch a ton of his videos. So it's really easy for me to be like, oh, yeah, what we talk about i don't know enough about nick i would say um on the surface i see no reason why not yeah if he's pertinent man yeah the issue is more so let me look into nick and his content i know a little bit about him and i've actually had some people hit me up saying you should talk to him because there's some bs that they pulled to get him banned so like we're getting to that point he just tweeted out that he wants to come on today. We'll check it out.

Of course he does. Who doesn't want to come on to TimCast? I would be sure. Here's why I say I'm not outright just being like, of course, of course. But we've been trying to book Nicks for a while. And I don't want to get to the point where everyone's going to send me a list of why I have to book that person.

Like, well, then book this person, then book this person then book this person's like okay uh that's how what i somebody somebody reached out to me about nick though and they said that he got banned because they took a clip out of context to accuse him of something man that's like a rampant thing that's going on that's cool yeah yep i don't like it for anyone yep i'm not a fan of that so uh yeah we're looking into a bunch of guests and i'm down down to have some edgy and controversial people. You know what I mean? Let's do it. I don't know who's worse than Alex Jones in terms of the most shocking to the left or whatever.

I don't know. Let's see what we got here. Sporkwich says, we're still liberals. The left is not. That's true. That is. Right on. Big facts. Now you sound like. That's true. That is. Right on. Big facts.

Now you sound like my 13-year-old son. Sorry. I sounded a little young there. He's like, big facts, Dad. Big facts. Come on, man. We've got some Venezuela information. Little Bear says, Venezuela at its peak was doing between 11% and 12% of the United States'

entire oil income. After years with Chavez, it dropped down to less than 5%. Oh, wow. Yeah, Chavez nationalized it. Iran did that, too, which is what caused all that heat. Orias Rofokale says Bucko might be sick. Male cats get bladder issues. He's a little... He's been to the vet.

Yep. And what he does is he comes in when he wants or is angry at us because it's like at 10 o'clock we're supposed to give him food and we do the shows late he came in at 9 43 i think he gets too many treats i think we should take his treats away the time the time change is very spoiled yeah by the way guys don't forget to set your clocks back this weekend is that happening yeah it is fall back wait when is that happening this weekend from saturday to sunday fall back one hour it's the shortest day of the year. 23 hour day.

Oh, I know. Wow. I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything, but my music video is done. Oh, when's it going live? I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything yet because there's like a plan for it. What genre? Alternative rock, I guess. And you are a?

I wrote, sang and played guitar and the whole song. Dope. I have a feeling i did a harmony track but i don't think it made the final cut it's really it's really good i'm not going to pretend like i think i personally it's a song i wrote and i'm like oh i like it i wrote the song it's awesome i don't want to hear i haven't heard the new like i have nothing i haven't heard the mixed can't wait i did not know and we did we did a full animation it's uh i've played it on the show live before will Will of the People. And it's basically about the cycle of violence in political revolutions that never ends.

And so it's like 99.9% done. And then we're going to start, you know. Oh, yeah, we should look at it after the show. Yeah, yeah. It's not completely done, so we're going to get ready for a rollout. And it's coming. It's coming. There's your next step, dude, your new career.

Yeah, maybe it gets like 50 billion views. And then I'm just like, wow, I don't got to do this politics thing anymore, huh? And I just buy an infinity pool and live on top of it. That's the plan, yeah. Fish in the infinity pool. Paxton Johnson says, Tim, please have someone record you skating. Would love some skate footage of you. I was thinking about that today. Without you holding the camera and skating at the same time.

Last night when you went barefoot, I was like, oh, that'd be a good video, man. No, I did a rock to fakie and fakie tail stall it was like seven years from where i was standing so what i there's a lot of stuff i need to do but you know like the ramp is new and i'm trying to get comfortable on it but it's it's so great the guys who built it are like some of the best it's amazing yeah we just put the couch up in the lounge but so here's what happens it's it's a it's a mellower transition that I've been skating. So I've been slipping out on my foot plants. Like you go up,

you grab the board and then jump, like you dive back in real fast and then I'm not anticipating the transition properly. So I've never been big on doing crazy skate videos. I did like a video

where I did a tray flip or something and, you know. All right, let's see. What do we got here? Are we just about ready to wrap up? Gotta be. It's time.

Oh, someone said, Chris Chung says, just a heads up, new Alex Jones on Rogan is down right now. What? Is that true? Oh. I don't know if that's true. The files are corrupted and they got lost in transport coming across the country. What a coincidence. So weird, yeah.

Is it down? I don't know. We're going to look it up. Yeah, we're going to look it up after the show. All right, let's see. Ken W. says, yesterday's cast was good. It's nice to hear different views,

but I think it went on too long and difficult to pay attention to past the usual two hours. I can see it. Oh, for sure. Just turn it off. I think Lydia agrees with you.

She was falling asleep at some point, wasn't she? I was dying, man. It was challenging. That was awesome. It was really fun, though. Just turn it off. I want more four hours.

Get ready. Build that fortitude. I want to go late. Well, I think we're about we're about it. It's 1010. We went a little bit over. So it's fine. We got some super jets in.

Jack, I heard you wrote a book. I wrote a book. Thank you for asking me about it. I was wondering. No, Democrats are deplorable. Why? Nine million Obama voters ditched the Democrats and embraced Donald Trump on Amazon. Thank you very much.

Great support from you guys out there. There's always a nice big pop after I do the show. Thank you. Yeah, man. I'm really out there. There's always a nice big pop after I do the show. Thank you. I'm really pushing the YouTube channel right now. Jack Murphy live. I've been putting out videos every week. We've got a good, a whole new cadre of followers.

Gracias of Tim cast and Lydia. Thank you very much. When do you put new videos up? You know, I usually do them at noon. I'm doing an interview tomorrow at noon with the author of a book called War for Eternity, which is a deep discussion about Bannon, Dugan, and Olavo, and traditionalism and its impact on the political sort of sphere of the world. Should be good.

And there's always a liminal order, liminal-order.com, all men's organization with the three core values of masculinity, brotherhood, and sovereignty. Check it out. Thank you very much. Did you mention your Twitter? Twitter, at Jack Murphy Live. I, for today, had 66.6 thousand followers for all of about five minutes. About five minutes.

So I was pretty happy we moved through that. Election night is going to be amazing. Indeed. We're going to have every TV in the house is going to be on with the results live. We are cooking Jill Biden's famous chicken parm. I love chicken parm. And it is going to be on with the results live we're going to have we are we are cooking jill biden's famous yes chicken parm i love chicken parm and is going to be served at some point when i feel like we've got results we'll see no tears allowed but i think i think 24 yes exactly i think it's funny though because if biden wins then i'm gonna make people eat jill biden you must eat it and if and if he loses then we all get to to laugh and eat his wife's face.

Make some pizzas. You bringing anything? I remember I'm bringing Red Hen. I'm bringing my girlfriend. I remember mentioning this to you a couple months ago. I'm like, hey, let's do an election night show. You're like, yeah, that's a great idea. And every time I come back, every other Wednesday, guys, every time I come back, it's like, oh, this person and this person.

Now you're like catering and cooking. I don't know how many people we're going to have. Maybe like 10 or 15. I hope it's not too many. I don't know. Ben Stewart will be here. Shout out to Ben Stewart. Everybody will be over here fighting over the mic.

It's true. It's true. Probably that. But yeah, so we're going to stream and we're going to leave the table open. Yes. Chilling hard. But we're going to change it and probably do a single wide shot.

That's a good idea. Yeah, because we're not going to have a producer running. Unless we have a bunch of those Elgatos at every station. That'd be fun for people. I think it'd just be a wide shot. I'll be making chicken parm. Because we want people to be able to see the room, too, as people are hanging out and watching and having a beer and eating pizza or whatever.

So we'll probably have a camera in the back showing the three people who are chilling. And then it might be funny. You might see some prominent personality walk up the stairs. And you're like, oh, it's so-and-so. They might tweet, I'm about to go upstairs and go into the studio. And then Jack's like, I got to hit the John so you can take my seat. And then people just swap out. And we're just going to have the show on TV.

I want to get some surround sounds set up for downstairs probably. I want to get them anyway, but I'd like to get them before. We can't play the election stuff on this show. We can have the TV in the background and talk about what we're seeing. So it's going to be a kind of just open live stream of the party. It's crazy that the election. Oh, I guess it's private channels, right? Yeah.

That's the issue. Yeah. I mean, maybe even C-SPAN, they try and get you. Anyway, we'll be back tomorrow live at 8 p.m. So make sure you like, subscribe, hit that notification bell. You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast. You can check out my other YouTube channels. I post like all day at YouTube.com slash TimCastNews and YouTube.com slash TimCast.

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