Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #158 - Kyle Rittenhouse EXTRADITED To Kenosha, DEBUNKING Critical Race Theory With Chris Rufo

Episode Date: October 31, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and guest Chris Rufo (@RealChrisRufo on Twitter) converse about the downsides of critical race theory, Chris' experience working with CRT, power structures, Daryl Davis, politics and riots, generation Z, and normal foods for normal people and how politicians win or lose at dinner. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We got big breaking news. So we're just going to jump right into the show tonight and talk about it. We have a really great guest, Christopher Ruffo, who is responsible solely for getting Donald Trump to ban these critical race theory trainings. Right. Is that fair? Not solely, but I was the catalyst for giving you all the credit. Started it off and then some very good people, including Tucker Carlson. And then the White House staff really ran and took the ball and right on. Right on. So we've got some big news where I'm going to we'll jump into in a second

just do the regular intro for today. Welcome to the show. We're having internet trouble. Welcome to living in the middle of nowhere, which is we're actually going to talk about being in the middle of nowhere. So hopefully the show doesn't cut out too bad because this is significant to what we're gonna be talking about. We have we have news on Kyle Rittenhouse. So of course, I'm Tim Poole TimCast IRL podcast. We got Ian. He's chilling. Hello, everyone.

We got Lydia. She's producing. Hi, guys. Christopher Rufo is our guest. And let's just jump straight into the news. Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be extradited. We've got the story here. Teenage Kenosha riot gunman Kyle Rittenhouse will be extradited to Wisconsin to face murder

charges for shooting dead two left-wing protesters. And, he shot a third person and that's that that's about it i mean that's that's the gist of the news but we've got uh man national guard called into philadelphia the the the likelihood i suppose everyone's on everyone's mind with the election coming up it's what is today's fr night. This is usually when things get heated. It's the weekends when rides kick off. Now we're hearing that they're going to be extra in Kyle Rittenhouse, which is, I guess, in a sense, in terms of simmering everything down. Good news.

I'm sure for those. I don't know if it's good news or bad news for Kyle himself. I don't know what the lawyers are saying. I guess they're worried about his safety. So they want him to go, you know, face trial or whatever. But this might maybe be some good things for the rioters. I don't know what the lawyers are saying. I guess they're worried about his safety, so they want him to go face trial or whatever. But this might maybe be some good things for the rioters. I don't know. I don't think there's anything that's going to make them calm down.

Now, as we get into Election Day, which is three days now. Oh, my gosh. Three days. Three more days. So Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. And then Tuesday will be it. So it's kind of four days. It's going to get spicy. It's going to get spicy.

It's going to get real crazy. So for those that aren't familiar, Christopher Ruffo, I don't want to say what you exactly specialize in, but you definitely do cover critical race theory, which is like this wokeness stuff. So I think you might have a lot of insights into the motivations of at least some of the rioters and some of the things they've been protesting and saying, as well as the actions taken by the president. I don't know if you want to just mention a bit about what you do. Yeah, I will. And, you know, really to your point about the unrest, I was in D.C. all day today. I was meeting at the White House and I went out to Georgetown last night. And throughout the city, businesses are now boarding up all their windows. They're putting up fencing. They're putting up barriers. They're putting up fortifications. The kind of feeling just walking through the city is that things are going to pop off with almost 100 percent degree of certainty.

And my thought is that, you know, a lot of these folks are are are looking for any kind of rationale for going out in the streets. So I think that it's very likely to get ugly, to get feisty on election night. And tomorrow's a full moon. Oh, no. Of course it is. Oh, my God. Hold on. No, no, but we were just driving back because we're trying to get

set up for this. We're doing this big party. We're going to have a bunch of people here, and we're in the middle of nowhere, elevated, surrounded by a bunch of other armed residents. It's a really people here. And we're in the middle of nowhere, elevated, surrounded by a bunch of other armed residents. It's a really interesting property. And we're coming back, and I'm looking at the moon, and it is ominous. It's big, man. I was driving up here and saying, like, whoa, I almost hit three deer on the way in here.

Yeah. I was like, there's some vibes happening. Yeah. For real. Dude, people don't – you want to know some true facts? More crime is committed during full moons. Yeah. Do you know that?

Dude, the tides... No. The moon, I heard, used to be closer to the Earth and would have this real oval shape going around the Earth, and it would pull the tides like hundreds of feet in the air. That was a long time ago. Really long time ago. There's a really simple reason why more crime is committed during a full moon. Light?

It's brighter out. Yeah. You can see. I don't know if you've ever gone to the middle of nowhere. You know what's really, really cool is when I grew up in Chicago, we would go to the lake during a new moon and it was the scariest thing. You look out into the lake and it was a void. You couldn't see anything.

You're like, whoa. But you hear the water and that's how you fall and you die. Yeah. During a full moon, you can see everything. It's reflecting. So we got a full moon and it's going to be a Saturday night full moon just before the election. Halloween.

While these riots are going off on Halloween. 2020. 2020. 2020. It doesn't disappoint. It does not, man. Yeah. So I guess, look, I wanted to open it with this big update on what's going on with Kyle

Rittenhouse. It's not definitive of anything particularly, but it does have a lot to do with the unrest we're seeing, what's going to happen. Rittenhouse. It's not definitive of anything particularly, but it does have a lot to do with the unrest we're seeing, what's going to happen. We've got the election coming up. And there's a lot of stuff to talk about in this. I don't know if they're still doing it, but I don't know if you heard this. You mentioned they're boarding things up. Did you hear that Walmart was taking the guns off the shelves and hiding the ammo? Yeah. I didn't hear that, but it makes a lot of sense. I mean, people are in kind of siege mentality. I even heard a friend said there's a shortage of toilet paper again. Yeah, there is.

Which is also weird. It's like, when did this become the panic buying thing? If you want to survive, I feel like toilet paper is very far down on the list. Did you see what's going on in Paris? I've seen a little bit of it, yeah. Like tens of thousands of cars flooding the highways, all gridlocked for miles. Like they're gridlocked because when a traffic jam is so big, no car can move. Yeah. I don't know if you ever played that game. It's called gridlock where you have street and all the cars and you got to move the car to like figure out how to break the gridlock.

Oh, but there's like when you have a car in every direction going, you know, up, down, left, right, or north, south, east, west. They all block each other. And so none of the cars can move in Paris. They're doing new draconian lockdowns where you have to have your papers if you want to go outside, proving you have a right to go outside. This is crazy. So people jump in their cars and they take off trying to flee the city. Stores are getting raided once again.

It's like just like it was back in March. It's happening again. And it's a full moon it's Halloween it's election night Lydia's not wearing her mask it's true oh my gosh I'm not

you're right I wonder if this is like the end of the simulation it's it you know the culmination it's the best part that's for sure I love it

we were just hanging out are you familiar with simulation theory like the singularity like Ray Kurzweil or like the matrix yeah like our universe is a simulation of some sort yeah yeah yeah we were just we were just hanging out are you familiar with simulation theory uh like the singularity like ray kurzweil or just like like the matrix yeah yeah like our universe is a simulation of some yeah yeah yeah we were just we're just hanging out and i was like what if what if we're in this simulation

and everything we're doing feels like the most important thing ever and there's like donald trump is president and there's a crime wave and riots and things are exploding and then they're like arming the nukes and dictators are getting ready and the guys running the simulation are actually just tracking like the peruvian dung beetles mating cycle and so like we're in this simulation but they're just like sitting at a computer being like hey did you see that in the simulation donald trump is president no did you look at that anyway look at the dung beetles they're mating this season like they have a completely different kind of thought process and brain their interests are misaligned with ours yeah like we think we're

important we have nothing to do with it it's all about those young beetles yeah man it's it's it's crazy to see all this stuff like it's starting to ignite right again because i'll tell you man usually on fridays news is slow and boring yeah you know and then all of a sudden uh today it was just like whoa there's riots across europe because of COVID lockdown stuff. Toilet paper shortages again. Yeah. Now we got D.C. boarding up. National Guard deployed in Philadelphia. Yeah.

Riots in New York. And now something just happened in... Where did it happen? We just had another shooting of some guy. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. I saw it on Twitter. Man, I took a nap, guys.

Give me a break. It was a dude who was shooting at cops and the cops killed him. And now there's, you know, writers coming out Friday night, too. So, oh, man, dude. Yeah, man. So let's just let's just do this. I you went on Fox News and you called on the president to ban critical race theory. Yeah, that happened. That's how it happened. And it was a it was a really a kind of a process. And I did a number of stories on critical race theory in government agencies. So the first one was in Seattle, where the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, ironically enough, was hosting racially segregated diversity trainings. And the training for white employees was called interrupting whiteness and internalized racial superiority. So they would have white employees

come in, they would be kind of forced to stand to say, I'm Karen, I'm a she, her, I'm white, and then essentially admit and then deconstruct their complicity in white supremacy. Struggle sessions. Struggle sessions. I mean, it had all the documentation and the charts and the graphs and objectivity is racist and etc, etc. And I kind of got my hands on these documents through public records requests. And I said, the documentation and the charts and the graphs and objectivity is racist and et cetera, et cetera. And I kind of got my hands on these documents through public records requests. And I said, this is crazy, but it's outside of my normal field of expertise, which for the last two years has been poverty, homelessness, addiction, and urban disorder. But I said, you know what, I'm going to

throw this up on Twitter, where I'm just kind of using my Twitter account kind of starting and I'll see what happens. And then it's just boom. So then I write an article about it in City Journal, and I think it went to the New York Post. And then I started just getting deluged with leakers and whistleblowers from everywhere in the government. All of a sudden, my inbox is just like, I'm in the Treasury Department. I'm in the FBI. I'm in the IRS. I'm in the, you know, the EPA. I'm in the Justice Department. And they're doing the same stuff. And that's the moment I said, I've stumbled on something big.

That's important. And something that is happening to a lot of people. And people are saying, hey, look, we can't oppose this. I can't get up and say, I think this is wrong. I'll get, you know, crucified. I'll get retaliated against. I'll lose my job. I'll get, you know, kind of turned into a pariah at the office.

But I really am deeply upset about this. And it's wrong. And it's a waste of money. So then I just went, did story after story after story. And just, you know, worked up the media chain, dropped it on Twitter first, linked to an article in City Journal or the New York Post or another publication. And then from there, you know, booked on on Laura Ingram, booked on Tucker. Wow. And and after I did that process four or five times, I created enough of an evidence base where it's persuasive

that this is happening in many places and then Tucker's producer called me and he said hey look I want you to do the monologue with Tucker Carlson tonight and just lay it out and I said that's cool let's do it and he says alright you got two hours

write the monologue that you want to do Tucker will set you up and then do it and I said alright cool so i'm driving up to the studio and um all right cool that you know read it off the teleprompter and then and then we'll do it and then i get a call to say we couldn't book a teleprompter and i said okay and you said you're just gonna have to just wing it you have oh snap you have three and a half minutes you just have to just wing it. Oh, snap. You have three and a half minutes. You just have to vibe on it. And you're in a dark room. There's lights.

You don't see him. You just hear him in a little earpiece. And then I said, all right, I got this. Let's do it. And I started feeling those butterflies a little bit. And then Tucker sets it up beautifully. And then, honestly, I just kind of blacked out. I just got into the flow of it and just spitfire, just rattled it out, outlined the research, you know, quoted the best that I could kind of paraphrasing what happened.

And then at the very end, something I'd rehearsed and on the way on the kind of riding in my truck on the way up to Seattle, I said, you know, and then I call on the president of the United States to immediately issue an executive order abolishing critical race here in the federal government. Just said, what the hell? Go for it. You know, like, do it. And then I finished up the segment, and I just had an intuition, a feeling. I said, like, this hit. Like, this, like, I, you know, pulling back from 50 yards and hit the target. And it worked.

And it worked. And then the next morning, about 7 a.m., I'm up with my kids, you know, drinking coffee. And I get a call on my cell phone from a 202 number in D.C., right? I say, okay, it worked. Something happened. Someone's calling me. And then I get a call. And, you know, I've said this before, so it's not really private information.

And he says, you know, Christopher, this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. I'm calling on behalf of the president. He saw your segment on Tucker Carlson. He's tasked me to take immediate action. Wow. And I said, holy. How exciting. This is the real deal.

And then from there, I thought, I don't know the bureaucratic process. I think it's going to go through a process and a study committee and the typical DC process where they want to do something. And then maybe six months later, it happens. Within 72 hours, the OMB director Russ Vought, who I saw today, and is an amazing person, issued a letter basically saying none of this ever again. And then three weeks after that, the full executive order signed by the president. Did this ban? So what did it ban specifically? What did Trump ban? So it's interesting. It's thought of, I think accurately, as a ban on critical race theory trainings in the federal government. But the executive order actually doesn't say critical

race theory anywhere in it. What they've done is really smart. Instead of saying, ban critical race theory, well, what is critical race theory? The critical race theorists and the kind of progressives who kind of espouse that ideology change language at an amazingly rapid rate. They throw up a term. So you can't actually talk about it. You can't debate it. You can't talk about it. You can't think about it. It's so fast. And these languages, they burn, right? Like Like they're going to toss up some new phrase. Wemixin.

It's persuasive for a quick minute, and then everyone hates it, and then they just recycle it with something new. So what they said is we're going to categorize divisive concepts. And the divisive concepts are really simple. You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of their sex or their race. That's it. That's already illegal. That's already illegal. It's already illegal, but they basically codified it within the executive agencies.

They gave a directive saying anything that falls under these divisive concepts, these categories of stereotyping, scapegoating, demeaning. And then they did something really brilliant. They said, not only in the federal agencies and the military, but if you want to do business with the federal government, if you're a large corporation, most of them are large corporations, you can no longer do this anywhere in your business. Because we don't want to work with people who stereotype, scapegoat, and demean. So basically what they're getting rid of. It's like sending white people on retreats, I guess, was one of the things on your website. They have the white men go

and like deconstruct their stuff or identity or whatever. Yeah, so exactly. So one of the most kind of egregious examples was the Sandia National Laboratories. This is the laboratory that designs our nuclear arsenal. So this is a serious thing. It's not like the Department of Dietary Guidelines somewhere deep in the health sector. I mean, these people design our nukes that protect the United States of America. This is a serious thing. And they had basically, from the directives from the very top, they had said, you know, we need to address our white privilege within the national laboratories. And we've hired a diversity training firm, literally called, this is the firm that contracted with the federal agency, White Men as Full Diversity Partners.

And they specialize, and what they did for the trainers here, they took white male executives, they put them on a three-day retreat at a kind of luxury resort in New Mexico, and they set up this kind of grueling process where they were saying, you have to deconstruct your white male identity. They put up on the board and had people kind of, they kind of fished for people to make associations and said, well, white male culture is associated with mass killings, the KKK, MAGA hats, white supremacy. These are all of the kind of evils that are lurking within your identity to the top nuclear weapons engineers in the world. And then we're going to spend the next day, three days,

deconstructing that identity and forcing you to confront your white privilege, your male privilege, your heterosexual sexual privilege. And then at the end of it, they had them write letters to these kind of imaginary women and people of color, much along the lines of a kind of Chinese struggle session. They're saying you need to now people are writing about these grown men, you know, being kind of bullied into writing. I am sorry for my privilege. It's embarrassing. And it's completely outrageous. I don't remember where I was reading this. Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique for POWs.

Oh, yeah. What they would do is they wouldn't ever have them come out and be extremely overt. They would say, if you want to eat, you have to just simply write that the United States is not perfect. Little things. Little tiny things. And they'd be like, oh, well, that's fine. Of course, of course, not perfect. Then the next time they would say, tell us one thing you wish you could change about

the United States. And that was the way they opened the door into getting them to saying, you know, well, I've already said that. I can certainly say this. And the amazing thing is that they do it with social pressure. That's really the kind of most powerful part of this, is that if you don't comply, you are somehow bad or you endorse some bad thing.

So people's fear, people, a lot of these folks in the government agencies are middle-aged people with families waiting for a pension. They don't want to rock the boat. So they just do it. And as soon as, it's like a sales techniques. Hey man, you know, can I stop you for a second? Sure. As soon as it's like a sales techniques um hey man you know um can i stop you for a second sure as soon as you get the first yes i've hooked you in you don't even need

a yes that's like a sales technique from you know i i i did door-to-door sales when i was a teenager like they always get the first yes right you don't need a yes you don't even need a yes i used to do street fundraising fundraising you know i would do what so they do these trainings for people on like how to stop people. Hey, do you have a minute to talk about the environment? No, I don't do that. You know what I would do? I walk up and go, hey, and stick my hand out.

Yeah. And they would immediately grab my hand and I'd shake it. I'm here to talk to you about why you're- It's a physical yes. Yeah. As soon as they reach down to shake and everyone does, every person will shake your hand. They can't leave while you're shaking your hands. And you got about 10 seconds and you say, now let me show you this. And you put the clipboard in their hand. It's the foundation of your success. Yeah, man leave while you're shaking your hands and you got them for about 10 seconds and you say,

now let me show you this and you put the clipboard in their hand. It's the foundation of your success. Yeah, man. It's the strong handshake. It's not about strong. It's that the really good fundraisers would say,

shake their hand and then before you're done, you're handing them the clipboard. They grab it and now they're holding your stuff and do not take it back. So you were like raising money for the environment or for Greenpeace. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Among many other companies. Yeah. And so this is it. If they're holding your clipboard and they try giving it back to you, you just cross your arms or you don't want to cross your arms. It's defensive. So you just like hold your hands together and act like you don't realize what they're

trying to do. But it's very hard to not shake the hand. Right. So if you're in a room with all of your peers and high status people and you're in a government agency and everyone says you have to get up and identify yourself as a white male and say that, you know, you're here to deconstruct your identity. It's very hard to just say, I'm going to sit down and I'm not going to do it. So and then the critical race theorists, to their credit, they've constructed the argument

in a really ingenious way. It's almost constructed like an intellectual mousetrap where if you dissent, if you disagree, embedded in their argument, if you disagree, that's an admission of guilt. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, you don't agree with this? Well, that's your white privilege. Right. That's your white fragility. That's your internalized racial dominance or oppression. So they've created a category that is psychological

in nature, that is new, that is distinct from old forms of manipulation and even unconscious bias, right? I mean, what is unconscious bias? Are they preferences, experiences? Can you measure it? Is it valid? A lot of real questions about that. But lost in that is we've moved from a society, to our credit, that has moved away from conscious bias, discrimination, and racism. That's a part of the American history. To now we're worried about deep in the recesses of your subconscious, is there some hidden preference that we can measure and try to change?

We're not doing kind of mind, like it's not even like behavior control. It's a form of kind of social control. It's a form of kind of deep kind of psychological conditioning. And it's no good. There's a bunch of different things within it, but I'll say there's a couple things. One, when you talk about the nuclear arsenal, it seems like a virus, like a computer virus, an idea virus was infected in some people and is now demoralizing and crippling our ability to function as a nation. Because you've got people who, how are we supposed to have a national defense if America is inherently racist and white people, this, that, and that? But the other thing I think is, well i i don't want to go as far

as far as to say that there that this was intentionally done but the the general idea i'm bringing up is if this is reaching so many different facets of our of our country you have the partisan divide between look a lot of people have said it's it's the culture war is libertarian authoritarian authoritarian nationalist versus globalist. It could be woke versus anti-woke. I don't know, but I'll tell you this. If you have people who believe in an ideology with no real structure, it's just a chaotic, amorphous, destructive force, and it's growing because people are scared to speak up against it, then it is spreading into our industries and eventually will just erode it like some kind of mold tearing away at the foundation. You know what I mean?

I totally know what you mean. And it's interesting to see it in corporations, right? I mean, you know, you're kind of classical Marxists. If you told them, hey, your ideology that has been adapted over the generations and kind of transposed onto kind of modern conceptions of race, will now be in the boardrooms of the major kind of technological and industrial corporations of the world. They'd look at you like you were completely insane. But the thing is that I've talked to executives off the record, you know, anonymously rather, or say, hey, you know, what's going on? Why is big tech companies, why are they just all in on this stuff? And they said, because you can't say no. 98% of people in my workforce don't care.

They don't want to deal with it. It's like nerdy engineers and then business guys. They don't want anything to do with this stuff. They're apolitical kind of at best. But if you have even three or four people that are kind of committed ideologues that want to bring in and say, we need a diversity program. Sounds good.

Diversity is good. Sounds nice. You know, fantastic. And then they get kind of a foothold. And then you can't say no. You don't want to be the executives that say, oh, we're not going to have a diversity program. Red Bull did. Red Bull did.

But Red Bull is a kind of different company, you know. And Red Bull can operate in a different ownership structure, a different political culture. And the fact is, a lot of our kind of most high growth companies in the United States are now physically rooted in prestige, very progressive cities. And this is a defensive maneuver. They're trying to buy. I mean, you know, in Seattle now, the new hockey arena sponsored by Bezos is now the climate change arena. Oh, my gosh. I mean, like, you know, so it's almost kind of like trying to buy some kind of peace and it's not going to work.

You know what I think is happening with this critical race theory stuff, at least as it pertains to this kind of general wokeness that you know people like the progressives use it's it's not really in my opinion there's not really any real core ideology behind it there's just like kind of bits and pieces and fragments that are duct taped together to give them something they can claim is an ideology and the reason i say this is you can see them contradict themselves change change definitions. And every other day it's like, oh, well, what I said the other day, you don't understand because you're racist or you're wrong. They change everything over and over again. And what I see what they're actually doing is you have individuals who are simply asserting their power and demanding it, and they won't back down.

So it's almost like, you you know a pecking order works with chickens you put all the chick all the hens in the space and they like figure out which one's in charge they did an experiment where they decided to take what they called super chickens these were the the hens that like were the dominant of the pack they took all the super chickens from different packs put them together guess what happened they all packed each other to death they didn't give up the reason why i'm telling you this, when I see people who are like posting things on Facebook and they're saying all this woke stuff and they're white, what I do is to try to communicate with them is a basic general communication technique where I will find

something we agree on. Racism is bad. And then I will take their ideology and use it and demand that they submit to their own ideas. They will not do it, showing that their only real intention is to be the super chicken pecking everyone down. So an example of this would be a white person. I just saw this exchange on Facebook. A white person said in a post, if you are friends with a black person, but you don't know their pain, then you're not really friends with that black person. And a mixed race black person responded with, excuse me, I don't need a white person telling me about my life and my experiences. I certainly don't need them fighting on behalf. I've dealt with enough racism from both sides. And then this person started arguing with them. You don't understand anything that you're talking about, clearly showing they don't really believe in an ideology. So I've engaged in conversations like this where I'll say, you know, things like this is really great. Thank you for fighting against racism. We all agree it's bad. It's so important. Now, as I am the underprivileged in this conversation, I would I would appreciate

what would really be helpful in mending these things is if you would agree to do this. No, F you. You're racist. I'm in charge. I would disagree with you on two points. One is I think it is a very rigorously and refined and structured ideology that is coherent and and has been well articulated for a long time. And we can go over the kind of lineage of it. But just to mention, I'm referring to the general street walk. I mean, the general street people on anything, man.

You'd be like, you know, so many people are there. You could ask, yeah. What I mean specifically is not the Robin DiAngelos who are writing a book and putting these things out. The regular people who are these activists who think they're pushing this ideology

are actually just trying to demand you bow to them. Dude, I had this experience where I was trying to convince – in 2016, I was trying to tell my friend. I was in LA. I was telling him about Hillary Clinton's emails. And I was like, dude, look at the – he really loved Hillary. It's her time, Ian. It's her time. And I'm like, dude, look at what she had with Sidney Blumenthal.

I was like laying it out for him. And he was just building and getting angry and angry. And then all of a sudden, he started screaming at me. It's just your white privilege,an you've got white privilege and he'd never we've been friends for like a decade he'd never mentioned anything like that that was somewhere deep inside of him and he was screaming and i didn't know what to say i was like i'm not racist no no no it was an attempt to just i win i'm in charge exactly it was like a weird uh irrational uh power play it's a power play, yeah. So, second, second.

But that's actually, but that is actually, and this is a really important point to understand, that is actually something that is very much in line with their ideology. It's actually an expression of their ideology. The critical race theorists in the foundational text of the 1990s explicitly reject objectivity. So it's actually not a contradiction of their ideology to say, well, you know, that's that, this is this. Who knows? It's not objective, but my personal narrative. No, no, no. My lived experience. My lived experience. Right. They love adding unnecessary adjectives that sound smart. Yes, I know.

My lived experience. Oh, my lived experience. Whoa, what happened to my experience? You know? Right. But no, but it really is. And because they argue, and much like Marx argued, is that, you know, we have created these systems like democracy, like the Constitution, like private property, like liberalism, like civil rights even. But those are simply camouflage for naked power and domination. And we have to dismiss those kind of false structures of freedom and equality and boil the world down to simple power relations. Whatever it is, is justified ideologically because they've rejected objective truth. They've rejected kind of what they would call traditional theory. They've rejected norms.

And then in a world where there's nothing but power, everything is justified. Yes. I think if you look at everything they've written, they've created, I guess what people refer to as a Kafka trap. No matter what you do, you're it. If you reject that you're racist, it proves you're racist. But it really does feel like none of what they're saying actually makes sense. Like when they call Ben Shapiro an Orthodox Jew, a Nazi, and when they call Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, any regular person sitting down, I'm just gonna imagine

there's like some guy he's sitting in a chair having a coffee with his eyes half closed just not really caring about the world and you know he's got his phone and he's looking and then he sees across the street candace owens a black woman and some white guy goes you're a white supremacist and that guy thinks what the that's the weirdest thing i've ever seen yeah like this person this person is deranged. Did you see this really funny video? I shouldn't call it funny, but there's a black guy holding a Trump flag and a white guy wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt

yelling at him. Yeah, amazing. But it doesn't matter because psychologically it doesn't matter because even if it's totally absurd to the general public, you live in a world where you have a limited number of social connections, maybe 200 social connections on average a person.

So if the people that are actually meaningful to you or even weirder, the people who are in your Twitter mentions, if you're not kind of steeled to it, at this point you're steeled to it. You don't care what people say. But most people for them, if you get mobbed on Twitter, the first time it happened to me it was terrifying right i'll admit it it's terrible and you feel like oh my god you feel like your life is over you feel like you know it's it's really it's an ephemeral thing but psychologically you feel like it's the end of the world and that's why it's effective it's very effective even if it's totally logically absurd are you familiar with the meme where there's like two women and they see something and they go like, oh, like this really nasty face and the guy behind him starts going like, yeah, yeah. That's how I feel about like Twitter and stuff.

Like explain who's the woman, who's the guy. Regular people are the women who like see all the tweets. OK. And go like, oh, it's happening. And I'm the guy who's like, everyone's tweeting at me. And I'm like, yeah, totally. You know what, man? You have to get there. Yeah, you have to get there. I me. And I'm like, yeah, totally. You know what, man? You have to get there.

Yeah, you have to get there. I've been on the internet my whole life. Yeah. You know, and I think there are there are people who are trolls on the internet who've never cared. In fact, they revel in the attention. Yeah. When people are coming after them.

But this is this is what you are correct in how it works. But what people don't realize is that one person can do it with sock puppet accounts. So you're familiar with sock puppet accounts so you're familiar with sock puppetry yeah yeah let's say you're a bakery and you made a american flag cupcakes for the fourth of july and then all of a sudden on twitter you 50 notifications your phone's going and you're like this has never happened to you before you don't get this and you look and they're like i can't believe you would do this indigenous people you are offended i can't believe it there are migrants in this country that's that flag is a symbol of hatred and then you're like well i'm getting inundated by all these people

yeah to you seeing an endless feed of all these people saying f u u racist feels like everyone yeah but it is but a handful of people it's like one so sad lonely guy did you see that video through all like the guy with all the cell phones he's got like 60 of them and he's like yeah well no the the click farmers yeah have a we'll have a wall of phones and they walk up and they go swipe enter swipe enter swipe enter that reminds me of this uh the family i think it was family guy they uh that peter griffin he's like doing his public access show and it's really offensive and then the f the fcc is like we've received seven phone calls. And of course, that translates to 700 billion people.

Like something like that. Like they just extrapolate. Regular people see a small handful and it feels like everyone. And they bend immediately. Dude, even having one of my good friends. And you can't blame him. I mean, you really have to feel sympathy if there's some guy. He's like, I'm a pizza owner.

I don't know what's happening. It's very frightening. Obviously, I hope that they don't. And I think that over time as a culture, we're kind of adapting to this. So it's becoming more diffuse. But, you know, you have to understand it at least. There's two ways we can go with it. Yeah.

The wokest gain control and everyone just is terrified and living underneath the boot worried that they'll say something wrong and so they just they don't realize that everyone feels the same way as they do that would be a scary reality where i would like this to go is that people become calloused and then they start saying go f yourself yeah someone walks in their store and says i couldn't help but notice that you have a poster in your window oh yeah you want me to put up two of them so basically we need to like adopt the queen's mindset across the united states you know just don't care and i think you're right but i think there's another dynamic that's really important to establish i think it's that in a in a kind of culture war let's say that's the metaphor. Obviously, it's not a real war. But you need to

have kind of arms parity. So you need to have kind of an equivalent kind of destructive power on both sides so that there's some kind of negotiated truce to recreate a kind of middle. Because right now, you're wasting your time. Anyone, if you're arguing with your friend on Facebook about politics and they're at that point, there's actually not a point of dialogue that's possible. That's gone. You're wasting your time. They're wasting their time. You have to understand when dialogue is possible, when it's not. But when you have two political movements or political cultures that can come to some kind of truce or some kind of parody or some kind of sense of, well, I'm not going

to go on the attack right now because I'll get it just as bad. Then you create the possibility of a kind of a battlefield turns into some common ground. And I think that's important. And frankly, the progressives are still much stronger on this stuff. And the conservatives find themselves, oh, you know, where are my tax cuts? I think you're right about there not being dialogue, but there's certainly ways to de-radicalize people who are this entrenched.

Unfortunately, it just requires a level of manipulation and deception. Most people don't have the skill to actually perform or wouldn't want to due to, I don't know, perhaps scruples or something. Like Daryl Davis? No, Daryl Davis was unable. So are you familiar with Daryl to, I don't know, perhaps scruples or something. Like Daryl Davis? No, Daryl Davis was unable. So are you familiar with Daryl Davis?

I don't know. Daryl Davis is one of the coolest guys ever. So cool. He is a jazz musician. And I think, is it blues or jazz? I think it's blues. Blues. I think they're the same kind of music.

Maybe I'm crazy. Blues and jazz. I don't know why. I think he's a blues musician. And he's a middle-aged black man. He said one day, you know, I forgot, forgot i don't know i don't want to ruin his story but he saw a story about you know the clan and he thought how can these guys hate me if they've never met me and so he went to a clan rally and like talked to these guys and actually

ended up uh hanging out one of it one of his best stories that uh because i did a speaking event he was the headliner he said there was one guy who was in the clan and you know daryl's a musician he's he's got friends he's got connections turns out this clan guy was a big rock and roll fan so he said there's like this famous car from this famous rock star he's like oh yeah i know who's got it i can get you i can get you in it you can sit down and this guy was like what and then he was like he brings this clan guy out to this museum or whatever to see this famous you you know, hot rod or whatever. And the Klan guy hugs him. And this guy, like, that was it.

As soon as he realized, you know, everything he was being taught wasn't true. He said that there was. I'm going to ask you, does Daryl Davis come from a faith background? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. There was one guy he said that

he would hang out with him and the guy was still very much in the clan until one day he was at a rally and they were saying things and he went that doesn't describe daryl and then he was like this doesn't make sense but here's the best part we put on a speaking event uh near my house in the philadelphia area a few miles from it and antifa from way further out told the press we won't allow them to come to our neighborhood and i was like it's my neighborhood i live here threatened to burn the theater down so the theater kicks us out but we still had an event planned across the street for the after party and we refused like if we can go we're gonna go and i was like i'll tell you what if we get banned from both venues i will march down that street yeah but the the bar across the street was like dude we're not we're not

backing down like this is this is ridiculous like daryl's awesome why would they try and get this guy banned he's literally converting klansmen exactly but wait like you're ready for this we have the we have the after party and protesters showed up local police had to seal off the street and escort us in we go inside and daryl's there and i meet him i'm like you know or i met him at the event but i was like good to see you glad you came and you know he asked me about the protesters he goes out to talk to the protesters as a black man and you know what they called him oh i don't i really i want to know but i don't want to know man. And do you know what they called him? Oh, I don't. I want to know, but I don't want to know.

Tell me. You know. You know deep down. Four letter word. Starts with N. What? Called him a Nazi. A Nazi.

And he made a post on Facebook about it, explaining how he's been able to meet with and talk with Klan members and white supremacists and de-radicalize over 200 just by trying to understand them and talk to them. And that when he approached these people, they just started yelling and calling him Nazi and white supremacist.

And he was shocked. Dude, this troubles me. Yeah. Like, it's like most people have really not, you know, walk the walk, right? This guy de-radicalizing 200 Klansmen yeah has probably done more to fight actual white supremacy than anyone in the country um and yeah well you know you know why they uh and it wasn't just a bunch of random morons being like you're a nazi a lot of them were but some of them know who he is yeah they knew he was and they said you were friends with nazis you're a

nazi oh okay association yep yeah so there were there were i think a couple of the higher profile activists who were organizing it they were like we know you daryl we know you hang out with nazis i don't think his method is good and that if you try and interact with them on the street it's very they're going to come out with you with the mob mentality but if you get them one-on-one it's a little easier to do darren's method well his methodology the reason i'm darren so uh one so i i've seen the tactics and techniques And one, it's a little easier to do Derrick's methodology. The reason – Not Derrick. So I've seen – the tactics and techniques of this are not just in the ideology and the literature. It's also in the activist organizing, which is don't allow your activists to speak to anyone.

And I'm not exaggerating. This is a tried and true leftist tactic they use at almost all of their protests. It's a cool programming technique. For sure. Yeah. During Occupy Wall Street, they would actually tell everyone. They would say, OK, everyone, we're going to do a march. If anyone tries talking to you, just chant them down. Don't let them speak.

They're going to lie. I was in San Bernardino for a protest. It was a bunch of Trump people were like waving flags. So Antifa shows up. I walk across the street and there was a group of people wearing all black and black block. And I was like, I was like, hey, how's it going? Like, anybody want to tell me just like what's going on? I'm just.

And then all of a sudden a woman goes, don't talk to him. Mike, check. Mike, check. Mike, check. And they all start chanting Mike, check. They're actually barking at people now. Have you seen these videos on Twitter? Literally?

Literally barking like dogs. Like a group of people. It's so strange. They have a thing that's been around for a while. It's called mic check. The people's mic. Are you familiar with it? I'm not, yeah.

So one person yells mic check, and then everyone else in the crowd yells mic check back. Okay. They say the technique was developed to make it so that if you can't use amplification, by having everyone repeat the words, everyone can hear. It's actually a programming technique. So we talked about this the other day with Jack Murphy. I had coffee with Jack. So Jack mentioned that when they force you to say something, it's rewiring your brain to try and get you to say it, right? Yeah.

It's part of the struggle sessions. Yeah. The People's Mic is literally that. Dude, it occupy wall street and then so i went up to speak and i was like i just screamed at everyone in the crowd as loud as i could no mic check just overrode the system so the idea is if you say mic check and they say mic check and you say all cops and they go all cops are bad and they yell our. You're making them say it over and over again. All cops are bad. And so it's wiring their brain as they say it and they see it and they believe it. I mean, it's how you teach children. It's how you teach kindergartners the alphabet and the

states and any kind of rote memorization that structures grammar in their brain, structures reading, literacy. I mean, it's the same principle um applied to unfortunately so let's run adults let me let me ask you man every you you go on tucker you say all this stuff donald trump we're going to get it done what do you think would happen if hillary clinton was president well i certainly wouldn't have been dumb enough to call on the president to abolish critical race theory but you'd still have to. No, because you don't want to make those kind of asks unless you think there is some chance of it happening. Otherwise, you're wasting your time, and I don't think it's appropriate. The posture at that time when you're in the minority is very different than when you have a friendly administration. And, you know, people, you know, kind of upset at me about it and blah, blah, blah, Trump.

It's like I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016. I voted third party. I wasn't I wasn't into either either either major party candidate. And but but I will say now and kind of in retrospect, maybe made the wrong decision, because, frankly, not only would hillary clinton not have done this at all um but none of the other people in the republican primary in 2016 would have done it either right a president jeb bush would say oof racial issues get me out the door as far away from this stuff as possible i'm gonna hide under the table and and and suck on a

pacifier i mean this is like it would have been fun it would have been a funny presidency it would have been you know no no no no more bush yeah no more bushes could you imagine like a pathetic and weak inept bush trying to start wars please go to war and that's the other thing too and honestly from my own perspective about the president it's like you know that was a fear of mine in the 2016 campaign. It's Donald Trump is reckless. He's the chaos candidate. They had all these beautiful linguistic instructions, who the 3am phone call and all of these kind of ideas that were meant to sow doubt in your mind during the campaign. And it worked. And I think, oh, this guy, I don't know, no political experience, you know, fighting. And I mean, you know, you have a guy who you think would be

waging war in the Middle East, if you would listen, and he actually made peace in the Middle East. It's extraordinary. First couple of years were not so good. John Bolton was a mistake. Yeah. But things have been improving a lot since he kind of took the reins back. Yeah. So who do you think is going to win? I don't know. You know, I was in the White House today and meeting with some folks. And, you know, it's tense anticipation, right, because their jobs are at stake. I mean, it's a unique employment environment where if your guy loses the election, everyone loses their job. But the spirits were actually pretty high. People were excited. People were making plans for next year. So I don't think so. And one person told me something very interesting. He said, you know, this would require a major kind of polling science error that we've never had before. I think so. But during the Brexit process, Brexit was down. And I may not get this exactly right.

This is coming secondhand. But Brexit was down four points in the polling and won by four points. Wow. That's an eight point swing from what from what they're telling me so do you want you want donald trump to win i do yeah i've got some good news for you when you said it it was the sullivan nod you're like you want donald trump yeah say it with me mic check donald trump so i got some good news uh i don't know what's going to happen but i can tell you it's not so easy to

say the polls are right. In an interview with Politico, Robert Cahaley of, I think I'm pronouncing it right, of Trafalgar Group said in 2016, first of all, they got the numbers right. It was Trump 306 to Hillary 232. And they're saying Trump is going to win now. Helmut Norpoth is predicting Trump a 91% chance of winning with 362 electoral votes based on his primary tracking model, which has been correct 25 out of 27 times. More importantly, if the pollsters corrected their mistakes from 2016, then we should have seen improvement in the midterms.

We didn't. In Florida, they were off by four points. They thought that DeSantis was going to lose. Yeah. He didn't. In Florida, they were off by four points. They thought that DeSantis was going to lose. He didn't. They were wrong. The polls were wrong again. Nobody brings that up. I was reading today and I said, whoa, that should have been a huge thing. And Trafalgar Group brings up something really interesting. The conditions that made it so people were scared to admit they'd vote for Trump are a hundred times worse today than they were in 2015 or 16. In 2016, the worst thing is that if you were voting for Trump, people would scowl at you. Today, they'll come to your house. They'll throw a brick at you.

They'll mob you at a restaurant. They'll they'll you see what happened in New York with the Jews for Trump rally. This wasn't Antifa who did this. OK, everybody says, oh, these these Antifa and everything. And yes, there's problems with Antifa. Regular progressive New Yorkers started throwing rocks and eggs at cars. And one person, I think it was a woman, went up to one of the vehicles and pepper sprayed children.

The whole the level of depravity from these people. So I tell you, man, we're seeing a lot of people actually come out wave their flags and march around and say trump trump i'll tell you this i've had i said i just got uh some some information from people i know back home in chicago for like shockingly alerting me to the fact that someone we know has just voted straight republican donald trump and down to republican for the first time in their lives. And they couldn't believe it. And I was like, no.

Look, I've got I've got people I know in my life where I'm like, wow, I can't believe it. They're voting Republican. I my friends and family are all Chicago, deep blue Chicago. When I was like, I can't remember how old I was. My family told me we're going to the polls today. I said, who do I vote for? Just vote Democrat for everyone.

Now I've got people hitting me up being like, dude, did you hear so-and-so? I swear they came over and they're like, dude, we're voting Trump and everybody. And I'm like, these stories are real? Because I saw a story on, I think it was the Donald. It's their own website. Where someone was like, our neighbors came over and told us that they, for the first time, were voting for Trump and Republicans, and they had been Democrats, and they were worried. They said, we were scared if we told them we were voting for Trump, they would be like, really mad at us and scowl at us. And then they came in and said, we have to tell you,

like, we're voting for Trump. And then immediately the guy's like, I'm getting the MAGA hats. So out of the hidden place in the closet. But I'll tell you, a story like that, it shows you the fear the individual has to admit to his own neighbors he's going to vote for Trump. And the text message I got, I'll tell you what I've been told over and over and over again by my friends

back in Chicago is, dude, you can't tell anybody, dude. I'll lose my job. I'm not, you know, it's really funny. Whenever I tell these stories, I get all these leftists commenting on my Twitter, being like, Tim's making up stories again. You don't want to believe it. They don't want to believe it. No, they Whenever I tell these stories, I get all these leftists commenting on my Twitter being like, Tim's making up stories again.

You don't want to believe it. They don't want to believe it. No, they do. Trump might lose. Okay. But it is true that this stuff's happening. I've got a friend I met during a Black Lives Matter protest in Ferguson for years. 2014, we met.

She's posting Black Lives Matter, Orange Man. And then finally, when Trump comes around, she's tweeting like, I can can't believe this what is wrong with this country now it's maga it's like i saw her twitter feed and i was like this is nuts so i sent her a dmm and i'm like we met at a black lives matter rally how are you posting like go donald trump jr woohoo and maga 2020 and she was like dude i started reading that i started actually watching the videos, started actually reading what was going on. And I was like, that's it. Once the leftists desperately need to make sure that no one reads news outside of their echo chamber. And that's why you get the likes of Brian Stelter when he went on. He did this episode a year or so ago where he's like, don't go and watch Fox News. Don't watch the spin. only come to us yeah or you get i think it was jake tapper who was like remember you can't read wiki leaks his emails you could only only we're

allowed to have them that's what they've been desperately trying to maintain and then you had micah brzezinski and msnbc say it's our job to tell people what to think or whatever it's like or control people think that's what they rely on but if people do the research then all of a sudden they're like wait a minute regarding culture war like you were talking about earlier i wanted to kind of ask you something about that i the reason i brought up daryl davis earlier was because i think i see that as um it's a way to counter the this critical race side of the combat yeah combat do you have any ideas of how to how to combat that yeah i mean, you need to do two things. One is that you need to call out the ideology for what

it is, you need to expose it, and you need to shut it down. So that's the kind of aggressive, kind of more offensive strategy. But that's not really enough, right? You also need to present an alternative model. And the reason I asked this, you come from a faith background, is because the most successful stuff that I've seen is a different kind of epistemological model, a different kind of theoretical model, a different personal model. It's a reconciliation model. And that comes from a religious background. And I think the distinction we were talking about earlier between, you know, the kind of Martin Luther King vision and the critical race theory, Black Lives Matter vision is a deep and profound division. Because if you look at MLK, which is, his work is amazing. I mean, he's a preacher, right? He's a Christian preacher. So he comes from a really deep spiritual background. And the civil rights movement was largely driven

in the Black South by the Black churches. So they're coming from a Christian perspective that we're all created equally under God. We're all kind of brothers in this, all created in the image of God. The second thing, and this is something a lot of people don't know, is that Martin Luther King was a deep student of American history and in a lot of ways revered the founding fathers, Jefferson even, Lincoln. And you read his writing on this, and it's actually amazing, his essays. And he basically says, we're collecting on the promise of America. And you can look even at Lincoln. Lincoln saw himself as doing the kind

of—Jefferson created the inspiration, but was tragically flawed, couldn't do it in his lifetime, or even in his personal life. Lincoln saw himself as fulfilling that vision. And then King saw himself as that kind of third step. The critical race theorists, it's based in kind of German Marxism and atheism. It's a completely different intellectual lineage that goes back hundreds of years. They're not compatible. And I think in my life, I spent five years directing a documentary for PBS about the poorest American cities. And the reconciliation model, and in many ways, the faith-based model, is one that works much better. You know, what's really interesting is I had a similar conversation on one of our previous shows about the moral frameworks that we experience the world through.

And I think whether people realize it or not, most of Americans experience the world through a Christian or Judeo-Christian moral framework, even if they're not religious. So the way I explain this, I was once, I'm chilling at my house, and I notice, I live in a dead end street. It's like on purpose. And then I see people walking down my block, knocking on every door. And I'm like, I wonder what they're selling or preaching. And then all of a sudden these two like, you know, young teenage girls are knocking on my door and they were preaching.

They were there to spread the good word and they had Bibles and stuff. I don't know exactly which denomination they were. They asked me if I had a minute to talk to them about Jesus Christ and all that. And I told them, I really respect and appreciate what you're doing. I myself am not, you know, I'm not one for, you know, this theistic religion, but I will tell you a few words of praise I have for your religion. Notably, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, specifically, I think it's Sodom and Gomorrah, I will not destroy the city if there is but one virtuous person. That moral framework is the root of the fifth amendment innocent until proven guilty and a right to a speedy trial from that idea we had a really

really long time ago rooted in these values we then created blackstone's formulation are you familiar with blackstone's formulation i'm not it is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer great that protecting the innocent is more important than punishing the wicked. From that, we've created a system that has one of the best justice systems in human existence. I am not a Christian. A lot of people seem to think I'm an atheist for some reason. I don't know why that is. You're neither.

No, I believe in God. I do. But I just don't believe in um i grew up catholic briefly i'm not uh i don't believe in scripture and stuff like that but i do believe in god it would be a much longer moral and philosophical conversation i'd have with someone but i'm not an atheist i don't know if i don't think agnostic is the right word but i was uh i started to realize morality for many people in this country, we understand these values. Like if you ask the average person who is an atheist, if they know what sin is, they will say, of course, in a religious context. But if you go to,

say, you know, China and ask them, they're going to be like, I don't know what you mean. Unless they've actually studied, you know, Western religion, they have a completely different religious structure, a different moral Western religion, they have a completely different religious structure, a different moral framework for how they view the world. Critical race theory, the woke, all that stuff doesn't exist within the same moral framework. So like you said, it's a totally different line of thinking compared to the rest of us. I wonder if that is the real split, that even though I'm not religious at all, it's really interesting to see, you know,

the old liberal arguments back in the day about religion versus, you know, Christianity saying that, you know, I'd hear Christians say without without religion, then why don't you just go and commit X crime or whatever? And then the liberals would say, like, you need religion to stop you from committing crimes. Well, not realizing the only reason they feel that way is because they were raised on moral values that were rooted in the Bible. So the way I always explain it is we want to keep the good and get rid of the bad.

And so when you look back at the history, I remember reading about the Fifth Amendment and why we have a right to a speedy trial, why we have a right to remain silent, why we're innocent until proven guilty, the presumption of innocence. And then you start going down the rabbit hole. Then it's like, well, the earlier ideas of blackstone's formulation actually benjamin franklin said it's better than 100 guilty persons escape and then i go back even further and they and then i read blackstone's formulation was actually from the bible it was the story that god would not destroy the city if there was but one righteous person because you

could not hurt that innocent and and it's interesting because then this is in line with deontological philosophy. An immoral act against one is an immoral act you can't commit versus utilitarianism, which I think now we start getting into the philosophical conversation of critical race theorists seem to be utilitarian. Yeah. Kill 100 people if it saves a thousand, whereas the rest of us more deontological you kill a hundred people to save one good person i mean it's i think it's a trolley problem on on steroids yeah it's like yeah and you know so for the for the most of us you know it's uh you're familiar with the trolley problem i'd imagine for for those that aren't familiar

it's the idea is you've got a a train coming and there's it splits into two tracks where there's five people in one person and it's going to kill five people unless you pull the lever but if you do you'll kill that one person do you do it and that's kind of showing you the difference between deontology versus utilitarianism which is will you act that will kill one person it could save people and then the utilitarian is kill the one person, save the five. And it's kind of a, you know, the trolley problem. There's a bunch of other really interesting ones. I really like that meme where it's like, it's one track and there's a hundred people and it's like, you can stop the train at any time, but it would cut corporate

profits. You know, anyway, I digress. I think that we might be seeing that route where we really have utilitarians. They don't care about you. They don really have utilitarians. They don't care about you. They don't care about your life. They don't care about if you suffer. They care about the collective. So maximizing what they view as good. And the scary thing is who is actually in control of what is good and what is bad, you know? Yeah. I mean, and it's, I think a lot of times we get in trouble because people say, well, it's just racial sensitivity training. Or, well, it's just that, you know, it's important to look at human life and society through the lens of race. These very naive and kind of very nice sounding, very simple formulations. I mean, that's true.

But if you look at the actual beliefs and the papers and the books and all the studies from the critical race theorists, I mean, they're very clear in what they believe. And they basically say the system of individual rights, the system of private property, the system of equality under the law, the system of non-discrimination, all of those things are used to justify collective inequalities. And we need to basically get rid of those things, the constitution that you're talking about, the justice system that you're talking about, all of those complex moral questions that we've been answering for thousands of years. And they basically say, we have the new answer. And the amazing thing is that it always comes back to a kind of very utilitarian, very economic formulation. It's always redistribution of wealth and property.

They can't get out of that. And you read the papers, you're like, okay, think it through the lens of race. All right, great. You know, whiteness as property. All right, that's kind of strange. But then the end of it is like, the only solution is to get rid of the Constitution and redistribute a kind of wealth along these lines. But so I think that the race theorists is quite interesting, because at the end of the day, underneath the critical race theory is critical theory is Marxism. And a lot of people will beat up on you about that and say, that's not true. You just think everything's Marxism. But the dichotomy, the kind of dynamic that they describe is oppressor and

oppressed. It used to be the bourgeois and the proletariat. America has a large middle class. We have amazing technology. We have happy citizens, for the most part, very affluent, very progressive in the mindset of technology and wealth. They said, oh, that's not going to ever work. We can never have kind of the proletariat revolution overthrow the bourgeoisie. We need to rethink about this. And then they said, let's graft identity politics onto that Marxist dichotomy of oppressed and oppressed. Instead of bourgeoisie and proletariat, we have black and white or black people of color. Because race is two things. One, it's malleable.

It's abstract. You can make it into anything that you want. And two, it's extremely emotional. It has a just raw emotional power. And they're saying we can harness that power much more than class-based interests. And that's where we are today. You know, I like asking people.

I don't, I usually don't go beyond this because I just like to see what their reaction is. I have friends who are very woke. And I usually, you know, I have a lot of friends from back home. And when they're preaching all this woke stuff, I'll message them and say, I had a question, if you don't mind. Do you agree with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream? And they always say, of course.

And then I say, so do you believe we should judge people on the content of their character and not the color of their skin? And then their mind breaks. Why would they say no to that? Because they just started posting a tirade on Facebook about how white is bad, or whiteness is property and white privilege. And then my response to that is, do you agree with Dr. King? Well, of course, you're supposed to. It's acceptable.

So the reason I'm bringing this up is it's not about your ideology. It's about how people are basically saying whatever they think is socially acceptable. However, it is socially unacceptable to say you disagree with Dr. King. Yeah. But you can't agree with him and critical race theory at the same time. It's not possible. Right now, they have created this amazing system where you actually have two jigsaw pieces that don't fit together, smashed together, and then wrapped in duct tape to make it work

because they simultaneously hold two ideas in their head and it's amazing that they can actually be posting about how they want to judge people everyone on the color of their skin yeah while agreeing with dr king they shouldn't do it because they're both it is both socially unacceptable for for you to reject either of these ideas like you can judge people on their genetics you know genetics are a code that read a certain amount of information so if you you want to acknowledge that information you know what do you mean is that judge them on that just say it is xyz it is a one on this scale yeah by putting it on a graph if you want to say this dna reads g what i don't know what the dn i don't not much i'm into molecular science but you if you want to say this dna reads g what i don't know what the dn i don't not much

into molecular science but you if you want to list their gene code but what do you mean by judge them by judge it you would be listing their gene code on a piece you don't mean judge then no well that's a form of judgment writing something down on a piece of paper is a form of judging an idea it's a form of judgment you've decided this is what it is and you could do that about every race and every genetic code of every human. So we're different. We're all genetically different. That's not what they mean by judging someone based on their race.

Unfortunately, I think they take a more superficial thing. And it's like if I see a color, then I associate it with this. What do you mean? Like they're judging based on the skin color as opposed to just making acknowledgments about what the genetics are. Yeah, our genetics are different. It's good. You know, variety is the soul of the future. It's what we, you know, it makes our immune system stronger.

Well, that's actually offensive to them. You can't talk about that. Race is a social construct. I mean, there's interesting points we made about the idea of it being a social construct, because we talked about this the other day with this leftist guy. And ideas like, if you have, say, an albino black person, that person still probably or may identify as black, and many people still might look at them and say they're black. But then you can have actual people like Rachel Dolezal, who are literally white, but change their hair, and then people just believe they're black. So there are, you know,

weird social constructs and assumptions being made about race or whatever. But I think that actually, in my opinion, disproves critical race theory. The fact that a white person, and there's many of them, are currently pretending to be black shows that their ideas about oppression and oppressed aren't true because they're actively trying to be oppressed. Now, why would that make sense? No, you're right, but it's a bit more complicated than that. There's a more subtle distinction to be made. We are in a kind of social, this really bizarre, bifurcated social environment where if you are in corporate, if you're in corporate, if you're in academia, especially academia, if you're in a kind of high education,

high status, high prestige occupation, being a person of color is a tremendous advantage. You talk to any hiring manager, this is just a kind of truism. It is what it is. But there's another distinction, though. So, you know, kind of people in academia, you have all these kind of white women pretending to be Latina or black to advance their academic careers. These are like, kind of like, like low tier kind of garbage academics, but they say, this is my ticket to get that great job. And you see the job listings, a friend of mine is a college professor, and he said, look at these job listings. And it's like, you have to acknowledge the land, you have to be anti colonial, you have to be this and that.

And it's like, you know, like, to be a of anything. So there's status and kind of advantage there. But if you look at people in the lowest economic bracket, the bottom 20%, the bottom quintile, it still is, unfortunately, there still is a racial dynamic, a class dynamic, especially now a class dynamic, where that's not true. So and unfortunately, honestly, the thing that really irks me about critical race theory, the thing that to me is like the true moral crime of critical race theory. What it does, it enhances and solidifies the social status of woke elites of any race. But it's an ideology that is deeply destructive to actual poor people of all races.

It does nothing to raise up people in the poor communities in white Youngstown, Ohio, and black South Memphis, and Latino Stockton. It's a bespoke elite ideology that is self-serving and actually destroys the very foundations of life for poor people in the United States. The two-parent family, the faith community, the habits of kind of work and workforce participation. It wants to obliterate all those things under the illusion that it's oppressive, while at the same time, the elites who preach this stuff, they don't believe it.

Because look, they're working very hard. They have two-parent households. They're doing all the things that they condemn in their rhetoric. And to me, it's not only hypocrisy, but it's deeply destructive to people, again, of all races at the bottom. Do you know that Gen Z is the first generation in like 100 years to actually tick the other direction in terms of conservative or liberal? Yeah, of course they are. That's not a surprise at all. I mean, you look at the kind of wreckage that started with the baby boomers and has kind of now echoing down, they say, I don't want to do that. But that's not ideological. So the Pew research shows that Gen Z is about as progressive as millennials, but slightly more conservative in

some areas. So when you'll see these stories, and it's funny, I think the way Pew framed it was Gen Z is just as progressive as millennials or whatever. And then you, and it's funny, I think the way Pew framed it was Gen Z is just as progressive as millennials or whatever. And then you look and it's like they are, they are, they are. Oh, a little bit more conservative. Oh, a little bit more conservative. That's interesting. I think that's the framing you should go with, that there's something that happened that's very different. It used to be every generation was way more progressive, way more progressive.

And now it's stagnant and slightly receding. And so I remember when I saw this research and I was like, I wonder what's causing Gen Z to start rejecting these ideas. There's nothing. You want to know why Gen Z is slightly more conservative? In the late 90s and early 2000s, several researchers were talking about birth rates between ideologies and found that liberal couples were having 1.7 kids on average versus conservatives 2.01, which meant that in 20 years, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative than the last because liberals are less likely to have kids and now more likely to, say, get an abortion.

This resulted in the Gen Z being slightly more conservative simply because there are more of them. I wonder what the correlation, though, is on political ideology between parents and children. It's strong enough to make a difference is what you're suggesting. I think it's progressive to be a Republican right now. Well, it's progressive to vote for Trump anyway. The general idea is to look at it from a very simple point of view, that if conservatives

have more kids, they'll have kids with more conservative values. Though the kids are pretty woke compared to millennials. They're pretty comparable. So they're less conservative than their parents. There's more kids who have somewhat conservative values. It's a generational anomaly. Now we can take a look at some of the more, I guess, the changes that have been occurring. I mean, when I was growing up, the Democratic Party, when talking about pro-life versus pro-choice, it was safe, legal, but rare.

Now it's Michelle Wolf on Netflix going, you get an abortion and you get an abortion. For the selfie videos. Have you seen those? Whoa, no. Oh, yeah. There's like women. There's like a trend on social media a while back where, you know, immediately after having an abortion procedure, people would, you know, take selfie videos and celebrate it like it you know like they just won the olympics or something it's like now it's really kind of you know even i i kind of grew up in california i was

pro-choice by default and then you you kind of watch this stuff and you said this is crazy yeah you see lena dunham said she wished she had an abortion. Does she have children? Can you pull? I can pull that up. Yeah. Google it. Does she have children? No, I'm pretty sure it was her. I want to make sure we get the source.

Oh, she wished she had one so she could be part of the club. She wished she had had an abortion. She doesn't have any kids. Okay. I think wishing. Could you say that about your kid? I had a kid, but I wish I aborted. No, no.

She was straight up saying she wished at some point. So not to get too much into that, but the point I'm making is we recently had Joe Biden say that there should be no discrimination if an eight-year-old chooses to be transgender. There's an interesting thing there in the way he said chooses because I didn't realize that was a choice. And there's something interesting about what is going to be happening to future generations. And I'm not saying this to disparage anybody. I'm just saying, based on scientific fact, that there are going to be people who are having substantially more abortions. There are a wave of millennials who are getting vasectomies or sterilization, tube ties or whatever. And there are millennials, like people that are – There are two types before marriage or before kids.

Absolutely. Just like, I'm done. I know someone who cauterized her fallopian tubes or whatever oh gosh and she's like in her late 20s cauterized saying irreversible destroy it so what's gonna happen based on that

previous trend like what happened to the next generation substantially more conservative dude I got it 2016 December 20th Lena Dunham wishes she had an abortion disgusting i think so wow celebrating necessary evils is not the way to go with evil i would say so yeah that seems fair yeah it's a social status kind of a symbol right that's she said yeah quote now i can say that i still haven't had an abortion but i wish i had what kind of psychotic depravity is this even if your argument is so this is pro

abortion i always tell people i'm like there's no the argument right now isn't pro-choice versus pro-life the pro-choicers are aligning with the pro-lifers reluctantly because it's pro-abortion versus pro-life. Yeah. This was 2016 she said this. And you had that Michelle Wolf special on Netflix where she's yelling, you know, you get an abortion, you get an abortion. Right.

No one's pro-abortion. People are pro-choice. You're not supposed to be pro-abortion. You're not supposed to be. It's ridiculous. It's supposed to be that way, but clearly it's not the case. Oh, man. I'm not trying to get into this big pro-life, pro-choice thing.

I'm just pointing out the left has gone insane. It's not just critical race theory. It's something, I don't know what. But it's going to have a profound impact on future generations. Tell me if this makes sense. So critical race theorists would say, like, you want people to be a mixed race couple because it promotes, you know. No, no, no. How dare you?

Fetishizing? No. You would want people to come together. If that's the idea, is you're creating equality. The Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett adopted two children from Haiti. Children that were, one of them was severely disabled. I mean, if you're an orphanage in Haiti, which is a poorest country in the western hemisphere you're in a bad place right and she adopted them raised them giving them tons of opportunity um and the critical race theory kind of guru of the day who's kind of a big

said you know this is kind of the mark of a white colonizer oppressing black children as kind of this you know and it's like you can say and you can say hey look there's a perfectly reasonable argument to be made you know it kind of i guess he said something about taming the savage like some totally brutally way out of there yeah and it's like and and interracial marriage is again kind of like a bomb thrown into their narrative because it's very complex. So out of all the dumb stories that are around there, I broke a story about the King County Washington Library holding racially segregated training programs. And someone leaked to me these amazing photos of signs on two doors, opposite doors. One said, training for people of color, training for people who are white. And then it's like interracial couples, like my kids. My kids are mixed race, biracial. Dad, where do I go?

Am I a person of color? Am I a white person? My wife and I, are we going to go in separate rooms to be trained to deconstruct ourselves and learn how to kind of, you know, despise each other for these hidden essences that are more important than even a marriage. I think that there's two things that critical race theorists drives them crazy. One is interracial marriage. And I think interracial marriage is a sign of progress, frankly. Of course. Heck yeah.

I think it's beautiful. I think it's amazing. Like scientifically, consciously. Same. I mean, whoever, whoever you love, go for it. But I think also America is going to look very different in 100 years. You're not going to be able to tell. You're black.

You're white. You're Hispanic. You're Puerto Rican, whatever. It's going to be very complex. And I think ultimately that's going to be good. I mean, I'm Italian. My father's an immigrant from Italy. Oh, cool.

Italian people weren't considered white. Right. For a long time. I think the same thing will happen. It'll be a process of evolution as people kind of adapt, accommodate, and intermarry. But they don't like that, and they also really hate Asian Americans. Oh, yeah. I mean, the hatred towards Asian Americans is so extreme because Asian Americans who are people of color have the highest rates of college education.

They have the highest incomes. They have the highest test scores. So in a society that is supposedly white supremacist, when you look at the income tables by ethnicity, Indian Americans are at the very top. They have 70% college degrees. Indian Americans, Filipinos, Koreans taiwanese all of these groups and then you know white americans are somewhere in the middle and and and it's like it destroys the narrative and i call asian americans the inconvenient minority well they they've because they just can't uh deal with it right uh they've they've they've tried to find a way i was in i was

in i was in seattle at university of washington there was like a proud boy event happening a couple years ago and there was a guy who was arguing with people i started talking to him and i explained that you know when he started saying all this critical grace theory stuff i you know said that's not cool here's why and then it's always funny when their opinions change once they realize like for me i'm i'm uh part asian and so what the guy said to me was amazing, that white supremacists have long tried to mix with Asians. That's why they had World War II and the Japanese were on the side of the Germans. And I started laughing and I was like, are you insane? What does that even mean?

He tried basically saying the justification for why Asians are, you know bad or whatever is you look at world war ii and the germans and then of course there was this whole period where the left tried explaining why it was that there were right-wing people who had asian wives and they said it's because you know the nazis and japan and the the white supremacists want demure, timid, traditional wives or whatever. I mean, you said you're Korean. I know a lot of Korean mothers. They are not demure or timid. They're intense, dude.

They're crazy. They are anything but. It's like, where did this stereotype come from? It's ridiculous. It's an attempt to lie, to make up this ridiculous narrative to justify why they're wrong. I'll tell you a cool story that happened and something that I thought was really inspirational to me. In Washington State, where I live, they were trying to basically reinstate—there was

a ban on race-based college admissions, right? You can't—you have to admit people based on their test scores and their accomplishments. You can't look at race in admissions. And consequently, and if you look at the social science data, it's, I think, highly correlated with the number of hours per week that they're studying. Asian Americans do really well. They get college admissions at the highest kind of public universities in Washington State.

They dominate. That's just a fact. It is. It is what it is. And the progressives, I guess now a year ago, two years ago, I can't quite remember, they said, we're going to get rid of that. And we're going to reinstate race-based admissions. And again, Washington State has a high Asian American population.

These are people who had never been involved in politics. You know, we come from, you know, in large cases, these are Chinese Americans. They said, we come from a place where politics is dangerous. We'll get you killed. So we're just here to focus on our families, focus on education, focus on working hard, focus on businesses. And I got involved with these people in this campaign to stop this.

And you know what? What happened was really a remarkable testament to American democracy. These first-generation Asian-American immigrants, literally noodle shop owners, computer people, someone that said that they were, you know, transporting frozen meat. I mean, like people who work hard. They came together.

They had some people kind of advise them. They put together a campaign to collect signatures to get this thing out of there because they said, hey, wait a minute. We come from this country. We come to this country. We work hard. We send our kids to college. That's how it works. This is the American dream. And these folks are trying to take us away We come to this country. We work hard. We send our kids to college. That's how it works. This is the American dream.

And these folks are trying to take us away from it to help minorities? That doesn't make sense. And they laughed at them. The legislators literally mocked them in public. Wow. You, you know, noodle shop owners will never put this thing together. Ha, ha, ha. We have power.

This is a blue state. We're going to dominate. Wow. The noodle shop owners. Oh, boy. They went crazy. They organized. They hustled.

They got donations. They got small donors. The corporations all donated against them. Wow. The people called them white supremacists, right? Yeah. You know, these Asian white supremacists, noodle shop owners, and they won by two points. Wow. The first time in Washington state history

that a ethnic minority group ran a ballot measure and won. And hats off to them. So my mom has a YouTube channel. She actually has around 60,000 subscribers. Yeah. And she's Korean. Let me ask you,

what kind of content do you think she makes? I don't know, man. At risk of... Go right ahead. No, no, no. Not food. Like cooking. Oh, no, no, no.

What do you mean? Come on. That would have been a good one, though. More stereotypical for an Asian mother. Come on. I don't know. Math videos. Literally?

My mom makes math tutorial videos. Really? Yeah. I love it. And she's got like 60,000 subscribers. And I love this story because I think it's funny. And it shows that my family, I mean, as far as I know, we were progressive, right? I remember I was hanging out with some conservatives.

And it was at a time when YouTube was demonetizing everybody. And like it was the adpocalypse. And I had people tell me they're targeting conservatives, you know, specifically to shut down our politics. And I said, I don't know. Like, you know, my mom makes math videos and she's getting demonetized and then one friend went why am i not surprised your korean mother makes math videos we but wait we all started laughing i immediately texted my mom and she started laughing too i love it because we are sane mature adults and we understand why it's funny sense of humor it's so fun dude i'll tell you a funny story in my own

experience so like my oldest son is a fourth grader, extraordinary in math, top 1% math student. And the pandemic shut down all the schools. So we said, oof, my wife and I both work full time. We're like, what are we going to do? We got to get him, you know, keeping up with the schoolwork. So we have our neighbor across the street, the son of a Korean immigrant family. And he said, hey, you want to tutor our oldest son six hours a week, come in, you know, two hours, three days a week. He said, Yeah,

just thinking, I don't know, you know, he's Korean, he's good at math, he's a high school student, he could do fourth grade math, you know, like a stereotype. Turned out the stereotype was exactly true. He's like, you know, I said, Hey, man, you know, you know, you're going you're going to the University of Washington next year to study math. Oh, wow. That's amazing. He's like, yeah, I was doing calculus in sixth grade. And then all of a sudden, my son is getting just a short amount of time every week, jumps two grades in math.

Wow. Oh, my gosh. And you're like, what have they been teaching him in school? You know, I don't think it's anything to do with race. I think it's that before I – so I've been pretty good at math most of my life and it's because before i even started in kindergarten my mom was tutoring me and my brother my sister and and she was teaching us math and reading so when i started in kindergarten i knew multiplication and division and all this stuff the other kids had no idea like barely

knew addition uh addition or subtraction my wife takes the kids to kuman math tutoring when they're like two years old yeah because they know and if you look at that social science data it's really interesting it's you know grades and achievement are highly correlated with the number of hours studying on average per week and i mean it's really hard to get or to argue against it, but the critical race theorists, again, they argue against meritocracy. Right. They have, I mean, long papers about how meritocracy is a system of kind of embedded white supremacy, eugenics, classism, etc., whatever ridiculous arguments they make, because, you know, they really, truly hate the idea that things should be apportioned based on merit. And at a certain point, yeah, people start further behind in a lot of ways. There's some value to the criticism, but they're basically saying none of it is good. Get rid of it. Is why I kind of feel like it's, and I'm not saying this

literally, I'm saying it figuratively, it's a weapon, the idea. You look at what happened to, you know, Zimbabwe and the farmers, right? You know about that, they took the land away from the farmers. It happens to all of these different countries when they go communist. You've got a farmer who knows how to farm. He hires people for specific tasks he needs help with. They don't know how to run a farm. Then the Marxist or communist or socialist, whatever, come in and say, take the land from the rich landowners. Woo, drive them out. Now you farmers, you own the means of production. And then they all fail, the crop spoils, and then they all starve.

And it's happened over and over again. In what capacity do these people think that giving the means of production to the people who are working one particular machine can make the whole system work properly? You know what I mean? I do. And I've been increasingly thinking that it's not really about justice. I don't think they're actually going for some sort of end point. It's not very well articulated. It doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny. I think the destruction is the point. There's vengeance. Yes.

There's anger. There's rage. Look at Andy Ngo on Twitter. He loves posting the montage of mugshots from Portland, right? Yep. I mean, these are not the faces of happy people. No. And they're all white.

And they're all white. And in a sense, at one point, ha, ha, ha, look at these deranged and insane people. But then you really think about it, and you're like, what pain is this person in? And then this is the solution to that pain. I'll tell you the class system that's messing people up bad right now. What do you mean? People are coming from poverty. The economy is shut down.

They have no hope for the future fiscally. Rent's going up and they're losing. They're blowing their lid. And then they're turning to these weird theories that are getting masked by racism. But it's actually about classism. People are coming from a lack of education because they weren't born into money they're looking for answers that's true well i'm agreeing with you that you have these people who had everything destroyed and they're looking for answers as to why that is because they don't know and people offer them up critical race theory i i i think

there's an element to what you're saying that's true, but I think the general profile of the kind of Black Lives Matter protester, rioter, Antifa agitator is not from a kind of lower class background or a working class background. These are people who are sons and daughters of the wealthy that I think have underperformed economically, underperformed socially, and then kind of latch onto this ideology. And I don't know, I mean, I just made a feature film in America's poorest cities that broadcast on PBS on Tuesday. And I spent five years in a public housing project in Memphis, in the poorest neighborhood in Youngstown, Ohio, in a Latino and multiracial, one of the most violent neighborhoods in Stockton, California. They're not talking about any of this stuff. Yeah, they don't know that this is what the problem is. It's not important to them.

No, I mean, they know the economic problems. They feel it. But they don't think critical race theory is the solution. They don't think any of these kind of extreme and kind of abstract ideologies are the solution. They said, I really got to get my family together. I really got to get my car working. I really got to get my car working. I really got to get a job and I have a criminal record. And I really have to find some meaning or fulfillment in my community. You get these people that go out that have money that are bought into this critical, this class system.

And they want to bring it down, even though they're not necessarily the worst off. They see it and they think that that's what's causing these people pain. And so they want to like virtue signal. And this is always the case. The Russian revolution, the communist revolutions in the 20th century, they had this idea that it would be a revolution of the proletariat. And even Marx admits this in his work. He said, oh, this is going to be a proletarian revolution.

The lower class is going to come and overthrow the landowners and the owners of capital and the factory capitalists. And then they realize, oh, man, the proletariat is not interested in revolution. They're interested in stability. They're interested in family. They're interested in faith. They're interested in culture. They're interested in the land. They're interested in normalcy.

So what they created then is a concept called the vanguard of the proletariat. We are the intellectuals that are going to use the kind of perceived pain of the proletariat to start the revolution. And then once we do, they'll be right behind us storming the barricades. This is Antifa, Black Lives Matter out there. This is the vanguard. This is the Bolsheviks. Yeah, of course. Yeah, this is – I mean this is the kind of radical politics is the Bolsheviks. Yeah, of course. This is the kind of

radical politics for the last 150 years. It always follows this pattern. They had that girl in New York, right? She was tossing Molotov cocktails. She was like a district... She was a lawyer. She had a $2 million pad somewhere. I mean, like, some obscene thing. And now she's going to prison forever.

You think she'll go to prison? I mean, she's on federal charges, right? Oh, yeah. Federal and state. Come on. You can't throw a Molotov at a cop and get away with it. She got arrested. She's on camera. They had a kid in Seattle ran up, and you can see the video is excruciating. He ran up behind a cop

during a protest. The cop's looking this way. Ran up behind him and smashed him in the back of the head as hard as he could with a baseball bat. The cop was wearing a helmet. It was fine. But it's like, and this kid was the son of a former state legislator. And you know what the problem is? The critical race theorists and leftists start getting elected to office. And now the district attorneys are cutting these people loose.

Not all of them. That guy with the baseball bat, he's going to get locked up. But only because federal prosecutors are stepping in. So in Philadelphia, we just had these riots. I love this. The feds have come in. So in Philadelphia, we just had these riots. I love this. The feds have come in. Federal attorneys are charging people saying federal crime, federal time. And so Huffington Post has some journalists who are saying how convenient for Trump that

his federal attorneys are announcing arrests and riots just days before an election. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. OK, what does that have to do with Trump? Like Trump was like, hey, everybody, go riot. Help me get elected. No, if it wasn't for the federal prosecutor stopping these people, then the riots wouldn't be stopping. Yeah. And then we had a night of peace in Philadelphia. National Guard's still out there, too. Yeah. Well, you see, oh, man, I'm going to do 15 years. Maybe not. Yeah. It's true. You can't appease these folks. I mean, you have to kind of maintain law and order in big cities. And the thing that's really scary is that this happened

already before. The cities were the thriving places earlier in the last century. And then in the 1960s, we had riots that were very strong and very destructive. And it kind of led then to the flight to the suburbs and these cities getting gutted. So you can still see it today in like Detroit. You know, Detroit was the richest city in the world in 1950. And today, it's coming back a little bit, but, you know, 10 years ago, it was a disaster zone. So things can change very quickly.

And I think we're playing with fire when we enable this kind of rioting and destruction. And that's why I'll tell you I'm worried about Joe Biden. Tell me. I'm worried about him too. I'm worried about him in many ways. He wants to raise the corporate tax. Yeah. But he's also, in his previous administration, was pro-international free trade agreements, notably the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

What do you think happens when you announce we're going to have free trade between nations and also raise your taxes in the United States if you run your business here? Then all the factories immediately leave because they know they could import their products for free and they'll pay cheaper taxes. What that does is it means American working class people will pay an overpriced amount of money for a sneaker and a majority of that money goes to profits to the upper class, to the wealthy elites, and it creates a worse and worse divide between the wealthy and the poor. It destroys the jobs. And then eventually it extracts the value because there's not going to be a job to make that money back. The rich people have all that money. They're opening businesses in other countries. It is an extraction. Joe Biden, pro free trade agreements, and wants to raise corporate taxes. That's a terrible combination.

That's like what we're going to get. Yeah. That's a terrible combination. That's like what we're going to get. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I think there's some truth to that. And there's been a lot of change on the right. I mean, conservatives in the 1980s, you know, were supply side economics. They really wanted to slash tax rates and stimulate economic growth. And I think that was, at the time, the right call. The problem among my friends and colleagues, some of them, is that they're still stuck in that mindset. You know, for whatever problem, cutting capital gains taxes is the solution, you know. And it's like, we're not there.

I don't think that that is exactly – I don't think that's the solution for the time. And I think you're right. And, you know, I spent a number of years in Youngstown, Ohio, that produced more steel than anywhere on the planet. And they had 25 miles of steel than anywhere on the planet. And they had 25 miles of steel mills along the Mahoning River. 25 miles. They're all gone. Wow.

Dude, Akron. Did you go to Akron? I've been to Akron. That's my hometown. Cuyahoga Falls right outside Akron. Same kind of story. It was a rubber boom and it's a shell of a city. I know. And it's like 25 miles straight of steel.

Oh, man. All gone. All gone. That's awful. And, you know, there's a like 25 miles straight of steel. Oh, man. All gone. All gone. It's awful. And, you know, there's a lot of complex reasons for that. But the thing is, is what does that do to a community? It wrecks it. And when you wreck and rip apart a community, you destroy the social fabric. What do you have in Youngstown now?

You have high rates of addiction, high rates of suicide, high rates of broken families. Opioids. Oh, the opioids are just an absolute nightmare you know i remember you know i spent a week with bounty hunters in youngstown didn't end up in the movie but it was kind of a cool experience and you know you kick down the doors of people's places and it's just people strung out needles in their arms and it's like we have systematically destroyed these folks and And Youngstown's very interesting because it was a blue-collar labor town, heavily Democratic, and switched to Trump in 2016. It was kind of a bellwether for the shift because people said, wait a minute, the FDR is dead. FDR is dead and gone.

He's not coming back. And at least Trump respects us. At least he speaks to us as worthwhile human beings, where especially Hillary Clinton was directly disdainful of people who are my class. My favorite story. You ever hear the news? And everybody who's watching already knows it. I tell it all the time. Donald Trump went to a fancy restaurant, ordered this very expensive steak well done with ketchup. And you know what the media did ridiculed him for it

and you know what regular people loved it absolutely well regular people loved that trump did it yeah because as i explained to people when i was growing up we couldn't get a medium rare filet mignon sprinkle a little salt and garlic fancy and all the garnish no we got the trash steaks from the local you know deli for for a buck cooked it through because it tasted like crap and slopped ketchup on it so you get regular working people have seen their companies their their uh their jobs removed destroyed and they're eaten from the bottom of the barrel and trump's eating what they're eating the media insulted them yes then when the media insulted trump i'm sure regular americans see the you see the New York Times refrigerator story? No.

What's this one? Dude, you've got to pull it up. Maybe, maybe. It's so depressing. What they did is a New York Times reporter – like, this is the most – who – like, at no point in the editorial cycle did someone say, maybe this is a really demeaning and terrible idea. Oh, boy.

They sent a photographer and a writer to go out to open people's refrigerators and take pictures of them. Biden voters and Trump voters. Wow. So they had – and then, then like there's a class element that they don't address in the story and it's ridiculous, but they cherry picked it so that the Biden voters are like Evian water and kale and kombucha.

Frankly, it looks like my fridge, I'll admit it. I just requested some kombucha. Totally, and prepackaged smoothies and all these beautiful things. And then the Trump fridges are some milk, a half case of Pabst, and some bad steaks and some hot dogs. I mean, you know, and then they presented it essentially as the enlightened and the benighted. I mean, like the good and the bad, the sophisticated and the dunce. No, surprising.

And they put it up on the New York Times. I mean, it's like, and they forget the lesson you know you remember what bill clinton used to do right what do you do he used to slip his secret service security detail to go get mcdonald's and people loved it because he was bubba from arkansas i mean really like you know with trump yeah with donald trump i love my favorite one of my okay there's we've had some really good fact checks but i don't know if you guys saw this one first before i before i give you the really juicy Yeah, with Trump. Donald Trump. I love my favorite. What am I? Okay, we've had some really good fact checks. But I don't know if you guys saw this one. First, before I give you the really juicy fact check, I just want to mention, during the debates, Donald Trump and Hillary, he said Hillary Clinton acid washed her server.

Right. You know, speaking figuratively. NBC puts out a fact check card on Twitter. False. Hillary Clinton did not use a corrosive chemical on her computer recently there was a fact check where donald trump said we ordered a thousand cheeseburgers they were stacked a mile high and the it was like the ap said at two inches each a thousand burgers stacked up would not reach a mile high i'm glad they did that for us oh man and i love it when when trump bought all the

mcdonald's the it was because it's that that what was it like a high school team or something yeah I'm glad they did that for us. Oh, man. And I love it when Trump bought all the McDonald's. It was because that, what was it, like a high school team or something? Yeah. And there was a shutdown. The government wasn't functioning. Yeah, I remember. But they were like, we love it. It's so awesome.

And there's like pictures of them grabbing a bunch of burgers. Like, dude, it's McDonald's, man. I just thought. The Taco Bowl picture. That one was classic. I love Latinos. Yeah, man. And it's like, I get that.

That's kind of like, oh, it's kind of cringy. It's kind of like, but it's like, he's like Donald from Queens. Yeah. And you got to think about the guy too, the language. I thought about this a lot, actually, because the language also made me uncomfortable and sometimes still does. But this is a guy who grew up in Queens, a guy who spent a lot of time on construction sites and a lot of time on the floor of casinos.

Yeah. You know the language in those places. it's horrific you know and that kind of braggadocio that kind of exaggeration that kind of hyperbole um i think it's more natural to that environment i hear his dad was really mean to him too would bring him into work and like kind of like berate him in front of his co-workers and stuff and talk so he's he's had a pretty rough go there's there's a video it's like one of the best endorsements of trump ever but also kind of like where it's just like black dude with a gun and he's pointing it at the camera and he's yelling get my president's name out of your mouth and he's like it's this guy endorsing the president but the reason i bring that up is

it's in line with what do what do poor people in this country need and what do they think? And right now, the Democrats are the party of the wealthy elites. Oh, yeah. In 2016, Vox said it. Vox.com, progressive website, said Democrats have become the party of the wealthy. Take a look at Biden's donors. Wall Street, high-income families. Donald Trump is mostly funded by low-income donations. I shouldn't say low-income, small donations. From lower income people.

And now. The resistance. On the side of the multinational billion dollar corporations. And the wealthy elites in Wall Street. I think of Robert Reich. When you say the resistance. That's him. That's him baby. Is he.

Biden said it was $43. Was his average donation. Is that right? Joe Biden. I mean. But average. What does that mean? I don't know.

That he. I don't know. That he only got. I don't know. It means that. He got a lot of small donations. It means that most people donate donate around 20 bucks and then he's got a whole bunch of people giving him hundreds of thousands to like his super packs or whatever the other thing people need to realize is that as a politician you can say my average donation is only 20 and then my average

donation to my super pack that's oh yeah a million oh that's slimy oh yeah of course oh yeah i'm not getting the donation i have nothing to do with the super PAC. Yeah, you want to give me a million bucks? Sign the check over to that guy over there on the other side. I'm just here eating a cheeseburger at this restaurant. That guy has nothing to do with me. By the way, what did Biden say he was supporting today? Oh, yeah.

I'm sorry. Can we play that? Joe Biden said he was mobilizing true and nana true and non-show true and not true and nana shah but depression what true and i'm about a depression that's amazing that was my response i'm not kidding he said i'm mobilizing true and i'm about a depression and now people are like it's memeing it's crazy cheering when he said it yeah that was the best part no no the best part is so i don't know if you women are flashing the the stage they're just like yes wait wait so you've seen the art on the walls right yes so uh this is uh george alexopolis

who does he's really really amazing and somewhat creepy yeah somewhat yeah very creepy one of the pictures we have over there is it's Joe Biden. He's drooling and a woman is handing him a little girl. And everyone in the background is screaming and cheering. And then when he takes the little girl, his mouth becomes this gigantic, monstrous and open. And the girl's freaking out and trying to escape. But there's all these thumbs up in the air

and people clapping and cheering. And then he eats the little girl. And then he thumbs up back. that's what it reminds me of when he said i'm legalizing true and honest about a depression and everyone's like yay like what are you cheering for the absolute state of 2020 i love it i was talking to my friend cassandra fairbanks earlier and she and she brought that up to me when i sent her her the video, she goes, they're all clapping and cheering for this. Yep. Like, what are they cheering for?

What was your path to voting for – you're voting for Donald Trump? I already did. What was your path? Because I voted third party in – well, I don't even like saying third party. I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, and I'm led towards Donald Trump right now. Yeah, no. I mean, my path, like my political path, you know, I saw myself, I grew up as a man of the left. I grew up in California, very progressive.

I grew up in Sacramento, down the street from Berkeley. And my heroes were the kind of anti establishment radicals of the campus revolution in the 1960s. You watch the old videos of the speeches defending free speech, defending creativity, defending expression. And that's what I loved. I was like, this is like, kind of where I am. But I went to college and then got involved in left wing politics. And I discovered very quickly that the kind of elite left wing politics is about the phoniest group of people you could imagine. These are people that are staging hunger strikes on campus for people that are just embarrassed by them. It's like, we're going to do this for you. You might not want it, but we're going to do it for you anyways. And it's like, and at that moment, it just kind of died. The kind of the, like, I can't on a personal level and kind of, I just,

I can't associate with this. I don't like this. I don't quite understand everything. So I got out of college, directed documentaries for PBS for about 10 years. Oh, cool. And then as I was a filmmaker and the filmmaking industry was just getting devoured by the kind of intersectional, hyper-progressive, critical race theory left, I started really digging into it and understanding kind of where is this all coming from? What does it all mean? And kind of slowly just abandoned the left and was looking for kind of an exit plan. And in 2016, I voted kind of in retrospect stupidly for Gary Johnson. So did I. I said, like, you know, I'm libertarian, orient, like, you know, do whatever.

Don't hurt people. Gary Johnson, protest vote. And then really kind of, especially with the critical race theory, obviously, it's an accomplishment. I had a nice celebration at the White House today about it. And I realized this is the only part for all of his flaws. This guy has flaws there and they're not hidden flaws. These are very evident flaws. He wears his flaws like a jacket.

I mean, he is who he is. There's a lot of things I don't like about it. But two things. One, the policies that he's put forward, I think, are good for a large extent. And then the critical race theory, I said, this is the only guy with the stones to sign a piece of paper saying, no more of this. Chris, I had a question about that. When Trump was asked about critical race theory, I couldn't help feeling that he didn't know enough. What should he have known more that would have made him more persuasive and help people understand?

I think that, I mean, the president is many things. He's not a scholar. So I think that he had a hard time describing it. I think he's a visceral politician. He said they're teaching people to hate America. That's bad. I mean, he should have gone on like a discourse. I don't know what he should have said,

but I think he should have said, you know, they're segregating people by race. They're demeaning people. They're dividing people in the workplace. It undermines everything we stand for. And I put a stop to it, even though my opponents are going to demagogue me about it until election day. I think when he was on the debate stage with Chris Wallace and Chris Wallace was like, Donald Trump, you recently banned racial sensitivity trainings. Trump's response should have been, thank you for the question, Chris. My executive order does not ban racial sensitivity trainings. What we banned were segregationist or neo-segregationist practices, which are a violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, an act in violation of the law.

Once I realized that there were institutions within the federal government that were violating the law, I immediately said, you must cease this at once. And we won't actually participate in any contracts with companies that are also in violation of civil rights law. You should have, yeah. This is about ending racism in this country. And it's kind of shocking that many people like my opponent over here would support these racist and illegal policies. Yeah, totally.

He should have said all of that. And, you know, I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal basically saying racial sensitivity training is the most bogus Orwellian manipulation of language that exists. And I think that's really – we talked about this earlier, the kind of rapid change of language, where something becomes unpopular, they just change the phrase. Yep. And it's, you know, remember mostly peaceful protests? Oh, yeah. You know, and racial sensitivity trains, all these things that sound

good, very innocuous, but hide something. Anti-fascist. Anti-fascist. Black Lives Matter. He could have you on a press conference and tell people, he can appoint you to a position. I think it would be good to have a legit scholarly explanation. I think it's the root of a lot of these riots. And if we're able to.

It is. Look, look. And we need to talk about this at length. I think we need to have regular people just say F you. Yes. Just in general. I've said it before. man uh i i had a contract at a company they were paying me very very well they wanted to get ultra woke i basically said no

they offered me like all of a sudden i got paid a big fat check and i was like i want to break my contract and then ultimately i left and i didn't know what i was going to do recently uh glenn greenwald famous journalist one of the most consequential journalists of our generation, resigned from his own news organization because they were censoring news on the Bidens. And you know what the response was from the editor? I'm sorry, not from the editor, from I can't remember who levied this criticism. They said something like Glenn was being challenged by an increasing. What did he say? Oh, the Democratic Party had become offensive to him because it was now with more women and people of color and it was challenging his power. So he immediately became disdainful and angry.

Right. When Glenn Greenwald wrote about how corrupt the the elite crony class was, they said he was actually just mad because there were a lot more people of color. I mean, he's all information is a gay journalist married to a Brazilian guy. You know, it's like like and that's the thing that, too, it doesn't even have to match any form of reality that most people would say. That doesn't make sense. Like that. That doesn't add up because they know they can say it no matter what. It's become like a catch all. But yeah, no, i think the more they do this the more votes trump gets but i gotta tell you man if the polls are right that would be really scary and it could never right no no no if they are it's a

coincidence it could be look there's a margin of error you know and it's and it's and it's pretty wide right now it's between like three and now it's at four they're saying yeah so that's that's a serious margin of error. They're models too, right? They're not actual polls. Well, the polls are always modeled. So they'll ask 5,000 people and say, okay, now we need 350 Democrats, 200 Republicans or 260 Republicans. And then we'll determine what we think is going to happen.

So it's possible they're all completely wrong. But I got to say, it would be perhaps wishful thinking for me to think I know better than all of these different institutions. But think about what that means that the polls are wrong. It means that the American people don't care that you have literal violations of civil rights law happening all over this country in our own government, that in California, they're trying to repeal their civil rights. You know about their appeal prop 209. And who's fighting it? Asian Americans. Right, right. And who's fighting the Harvard stuff? Asian Americans. No wonder they don't like him. I've got a question about his banning of the theory.

When we had Vosh on the other night, none of us really could figure out. Did he ban the schools from teaching it? Explain this already. Or did he just – he's not going to give money to schools that teach the theory? No, no, no, no, no, no. So this is a good question. No. You can't really – it's complicated, but you can't change a curriculum.

So you could teach critical race theory alongside another theory, et cetera, et cetera. What he's banning is kind of HR trainings. You can't train your employees in these kind of ideas, in these divisive concepts. You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of race or sex. Is he withholding funds from schools that teach it? It's not school. So the executive order, it does it in the federal government, federal agencies, and then in federal contractors. So basically all the big corporations, they're scrambling now. And the irony is this, you have the president saying something very simple. You can't scapegoat, stereotype,

or demean people on the basis of race. And all of a sudden, these corporations in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are freaking out and changing all their policies. You have to say, well, man, you guys must have been scapegoating, stereotyping, demeaning people on the basis of race. We've found the systemic racism. But it doesn't apply to schools and universities. And this is, the next big thing, and I think I can say without revealing too much detail, my next campaign, my next kind of move on this is that if the president wins, I feel very confident that we could also extend the executive order through Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to every public K-12 school and every university in America. That was my first thought. Bosch said that it would be a violation of free speech and the ability to teach theory. This is another one of the kind of low level, kind of low effort criticisms.

You know, free speech, you know, what are you talking about? You can still say critical race theory. You can say it. You can say it. I can say it. You can say it. You can teach it. You can do whatever you want with it.

You have the right for the government to protect your speech. The government has to protect your freedom to speak. Or they can't violate your right. But the government is not required to subsidize your speech. Absolutely not. Right. I mean, that's ridiculous. These are people that are using federal dollars to indoctrinate people into this kind of ideology. You don't have a right to public money and you don't have a right to teach it to public employees. But of course, you still have your First Amendment right to do it on your own time and your own dime. And also what needs to be said in that capacity. It's one thing if a school says I'd like to teach you about critical race theory. It's another thing if they're applying critical

race theory. Exactly. If they use critical race theory in their teaching, that's different than teaching you about the theory. Should schools be allowed to teach children about what white supremacy is? Yes. Should the teachers, should teachers be able to teach kids to be white supremacists? No. Charge kids with supremacy. I feel like this is a supremacist movement. Even though it's tearing a race down, it still

feels like a racial supremacy movement. Racial identitarianism. And Ian, I think this is a crucial distinction that I really, really wish we had hammered home to Vosh and all of our audience because one of the things that nobody was noticing i don't think the other night was that this is at the federal level dude this is freaking me out this is in sandia labs these are the people who make nukes ian the treasury the people who control our money supply this is genuinely unsettling to me. Like, this isn't just teachers. This is people at every level.

Like, this is a serious problem. White supremacy is a great, interesting, teaching kids about racial supremacy is an interesting concept because that's a heavy thing to teach. That's the next, that's the next phase of this campaign. And I'm sitting on basically a fat stack of documents. I've been doing public records requests at some school districts. I have also whistleblowers at school districts, requesting all of their kind of diversity, inclusion, ethnic studies, all of these different training programs and curricula.

And the one in Seattle, it's like they send me two CD-ROMs. Actually, like, how am I going to read this CD-ROM? A, but then B, like the city of seattle city of seattle seattle public schools uh curriculum ethnic studies curriculum or whatever they call it race and social justice initiative the logo is seattle public schools a picture of the space needle and on top of the space needle is a black power fist literally it's like you guys didn't try to be subtle about that like and and and in in a way the federal employees adults are old try to be subtle about that. And in a way, the federal employees, adults are old enough to be like, oh, I'll do this thing, but it's stupid. But kids are not.

Kids are not sophisticated enough to say, actually, in Cheryl Harris's original 1993 paper on whiteness as property, she makes a distinction. Like, they're eight years old. Right. And that, to me, is very dangerous very destructive um and and i i just uh i i think you know i've experienced it even with my own children to a certain extent uh those kind of teachings and it's just uh it's no good we gotta stop you know where that fist comes from the like no no the the revolution the origin of the fist no i don't know the exact origin but i do know it was very prominent in the spanish civil. And do you know why when they make the fist, they show you the fist?

Why? It's a symbol of the fingers standing together, the small coming together to make the strong, just like the fascists believed. How do you pronounce it? Fascis? Fascis, yeah. Fascis, yeah. Yeah, the sticks banded together with the axe as a weapon or whatever. Yeah.

It was the same symbol. Yeah. The same exact symbol. It was authoritarians who believed they could band together and their power would prevail. Yeah. Again, it's a reduction to power. It's a reduction to all social forces to power. There's no room for morality.

That's the dangerous part. Do you know who David Graeber was? I do. Was he the gentleman who- I think he may have passed. I want to be very careful because I don't want to accuse someone of dying. I think he recently died. Yeah, yeah.

That's me. Please check. I think he did. I will retract if that's not true. He went on a Twitter thread a year or so ago saying that elements of the left have adopted fascistic ideologies. And he was referring a bit to this stuff, saying one of the core principles that they espouse is there is no truth but power. Yeah. Which is why they constantly change the definition of words.

They'll do by any means necessary to gain power. And he said that it was essentially a core tactic ideology of the fascists. Yeah, he died in September. Yeah. Wow. Well, but like depends on the kind of power, really like the Goblin King power. That's not real power. If someone's going to come up and take it from you immediately after you take it.

Or you just have better guard. Hey, question. Do you homeschool your kids? No, I don't. You know, I had my oldest in public school and and then we recently switched to Catholic school. Do you ever think about homeschooling them or are you are you satisfied with the. Yeah, the religious school is great.

And then our youngest is at home with a nanny and that's amazing. My wife and I both work from home now. It's like everyone with the pandemic. So cool. I love it. It's awesome to have the kids around a lot. And I don't think we'd homeschool. My wife is very ambitious, very accomplished. She's a programmer writer at

Amazon. Yeah, she's super smart. Yeah. So she's very smart in the tech world. And I think she likes to work and she really enjoys the challenge of that and the balance. So we found a nice balance. But, you know, much along the lines, I think, of you, Tim, you know, we lived in Seattle. We lived in the kind of urban core of Seattle and it became untenable. I mean, we were getting doxxed and threatened and harassed and posters. And then the moment it crossed the line is when people started randomly, like, cursing out my children in public. Wow. Wow.

Yeah, and I actually wasn't there. My oldest was with a babysitter, and someone found out, who's your dad? And then, you know, F that guy, and, you know, he's a Nazi, and Tucker Carlson. I mean, like, just blowing my kid. And my kid, to his, you know, nine years old. And to his credit, actually amazing, he stood strong. He's like, that's not true. That's not my dad.

And held it in. And then came home and burst out crying. Right? But he stood up to this guy. And this guy's a 40-year-old man. Wow. Whoa. And that's the moment that I said, sweetheart, I think we got to move, man.

This is getting crazy. People have lost their minds. And it's like, I'm a reasonable person. I can engage with anyone. Happy to talk to people. But, like, something has possessed people that are highly educated, that are affluent, that are professional people where they're like, yeah, what I got to do now is curse out this kid. I keep thinking it's the food supply. I can't prove a lot.

No way. This guy's eating kale chips. And, you know, I found out who the person was, actually. Wow. This is a software programmer. That's insane. Does he drink diet soda? Aspartame? I didn't find that out. I'm so diet soda aspartame these people are drinking kombucha like you it's in conjunction with a lot of other things but i

think part of the psychosis of society is the last 30 years of poisoning of our food i think you're right yeah but you give it too much well my friend you're not wrong but yeah time to go to super chance yes let's do it we definitely went went long on this one we had so much fun oh my god yeah i was tired when i came here and now i'm all pumped up i know i love it well you did have coffee too didn't you a little bit half and half i was a responsible person jack daw says why do we have to wait for you to be banned to get this fish beaver commentary i think it's time to get the politics of the fishing hole channel going i've long said that if i get banned i'm just going to go fishing, like whatever, man.

Yeah, do it now. And so they're basically saying, go do it, make the fishing channel. I haven't fished in like two decades. Listeners have spoken, Tim. Do it. Colin Grant says, please have Jeremy Reese

on the show next Tuesday. Oh, we write this down. He will be here. Next Tuesday? He's going to be here for election night party. Jeremy Reese? Jeremy Reese is a quantum physicist.

He's actually got a bachelor's in science. He's studying advanced technology. I'm surprised. Oh, this is going to be physicist. He's actually got a bachelor's in science. He's studying advanced technology. Yeah. Oh, it's going to be crazy. Cool. Yeah. Is he going to be able to explain like the parallel reality we,

we, we tripped into when Donald Trump possibly is working on a warp drive, the 2020 portal that we've all sunk into. Vibration of magnesium. I just gotta, I just gotta point out, we have a ridiculous amount of super chats, a lot of money from people saying truna lima nana

the fact that you have monetized that ridiculous nonsense phrase is a beautiful thing it's time to make some shirts time to make sure it's it was true in that shibata depression true in that shibata depression because it sounded like he was um look i am not a and a fluent biden translator but we talked about it we tried to figure it out and maybe he was saying true international pressure yeah no no something else something but those three words and then a fourth word true international i can't believe i missed this you gotta watch it true and not a shabbat of the pressure i'm marginalizing true and not ashabbat of the pressure. I'm marginalizing true and non-shabbat of the pressure. Oh, for coalition. True and national. True international pressure.

And we made it give us money. What was the shabbat of the pressure? We got to pull it up. I got to hear it again. Shabbat sounds Jewish. I don't know. I listened to it. The shabbat of bread.

I listened to it a hundred times to transcribe to the best of my ability. A lot of people are just typing true and non-shabbat, you know, and then like liberal. That's the effort that we need. That's right take my job very seriously quaggan says i checked out that kid's channel that was super chad yesterday he's a high school student that speaks out against woke culture indoctrination in our schools awesome stuff channel is maxim smith yes i saw him tweet at us the other day maxim smith maxim smith m-a-x-i-m-s-m-i-t-h and he's a high school kid 15 making videos against woke indoctrination that's very cool support support the youth yeah who are fighting against this stuff indeed it's true man i had like some

high school kids uh in the neighborhood that hired them to like like epoxy our garage and then they're like oh what do you do man i was like oh you know i'm on you know tv and i try to be like you know uh like i'm a writer and you know they're like nice man our teachers have gone crazy really yeah people there's like to be in high school now i feel like it's actually to be edgy and transgressive to be conservative because you're fighting against your like woke teacher you know so i was like oh but the teachers are being unreasonable with you unreasonable you're like why didn't you do your homework it's like because you're white they're like what san diego just changed their grading policies oh i think i saw that you see this yeah they're um they're saying um we can no longer

grade people on if they complete all their work or if they turn in their homework on time or their academic performance we have to do holistic grading that takes into account other factors. How is this not some kind of virus that has been implanted in our society to destroy it? It totally is. And I'm not saying it's true. Is this what came in the seeds that China mailed? Yeah. That's a good conspiracy theory.

That's like a nice linkage. Yeah, I like that. You plant it. One day comes up, there's a weird looking flower and you look and then it blasts you in the back oh white privilege white privilege you're a zombie happy halloween let's see uh the reaper son says ah the cinematic 24 frames per second for the ultimate immersive timcast experience our internet was all funky i have really good news though we literally had two guys come out

and I'm going to tell you it's going to be really people are going to get mad. Do it. The Verizon guy comes out and he goes and we've been waiting to get Verizon installed

so we can actually and thank you Verizon. We want some good internet. Do you do gigabit or higher? Gigabit. It's going to be great. Right now we have garbage internet. Oh wow.

Makes it really hard to do a lot of things and this guy came out and said yeah I noticed that in the system it was just dormant for months nobody was doing anything with it and i was like we have been calling every single week they were like we you know for some reason nobody just decided to do it wow amazing it's hard so we actually had not only them come out but the electricians who are gonna like lay the lines like we're in the middle of nowhere so they have to actually do construction for a mile or so

to actually get the internet working at this place. You've got to read this one I highlighted, Tim. Let's see. Read it. Unix Edu says, nice. Tim bringing back Max Headroom style videos tonight. Yeah, but we didn't do the thing, thing, thing where we talk, talk, talk, talk. You know Max Headroom, right?

Yeah. Joe Biden. True or not, it's about it, it's about it, it's about it. The pressure, pressure. Joe Headroom. Joe Headroom. you know max headroom right yeah joe biden true not a shibata shibata pressure pressure joe headroom joe headroom snafu says always remember that the left and the democratic controlled media always tell you what they are calling uh calling you always tell you what they are by calling you those things yep just remember communist manifesto is being used by them true is it wow sure is dude i we were so onto something talking about the russian revolution man that is such an archetype they had a king they were revolting against we don't which is part of why i think we can beat this thing or

defeat the concept you know dude i saw a friend post i've never voted before but now i'm doing my duty and it was a picture of about like going into the the ballot box and was like we must stop trump he's destroying democracy and i'm just like the amount of things i must tell you first of all yeah already voted and i'm like is it destroying democracy to appoint supreme court justices as per the rules of our system is it like when we had we had vosh in here he was saying that trump's use of executive authority executive orders was like authoritarian and i'm like but that's literally the confines of the executive branch. And it's also he's used it, utilized it in much less aggressive ways than the last administration. Well, he argued that Trump was doing more.

But regardless, I don't care. Regardless, it's the same principle. It's the same mechanism. And there's and there's and there's a system by which we reconcile. You file a lawsuit. It goes to the courts. We have. Guess what?

When you're president, you're a powerful guy. True. That's how it works. Yeah. bit yeah so interestingly someone brings it up uh shlomo says vosh didn't know the text of the executive order he was railing against the banning of a specific ideology he needs to see the language yes and i i do want to say i'm not trying to drag him i have tremendous respect for him coming on and actually trying to give his ideas but i think it's fair to say at this point a lot of them were not particularly you know i also agree it's it's important to raise the warning sign if people talk about banning theory teaching

theory in any school in the united states you know it's a free speech is the backbone of what we do here uh yeah what i got are we good ready yeah i don't know if you want a warning flag doesn't mean you're not going to do it just means there's a warning flag up let's examine it perfect acoustic theory says critical race theory is the center of what global elites expect will be the intellectual undoing of america at its core is a marxist retelling of a racial supremacist narrative perplexed patriot says tim can you use the power of the beanie to predict the election better than the thousands of soon to be unemployed pollsters i mean you couldn't do worse uh i don't know what's going to happen but i'll tell you what come election night we don't even know if we'll have the total

results of who's going to win we will not it may be that trump wins some states we didn't think possible and so they're just like okay mail-in ballots don't matter at this point i tell you this oh no matter who wins i know where you're going with this where what where am i going you're going with this this could not be decided for weeks. No, no, no. Well, sure. No, what I was going to say is I assure you no matter what happens at the end of that night, I am going to be laughing and having a good time.

Yeah. You see, I think one of the big things that separates at least me from whatever that woke crowd is, when Trump won, that woman drops to her knees and screams in the sky. Dude, you know what I'm going to do? Like, when Trump won, I laughed. It was like the guy with the two women that mean where the women are like, oh, and the guy's laughing. I'm just like, do a roll with it.

What are you going to do? You got it. You got it. You got to survive. You got to be strong. You got to be mature. If Joe Biden wins, I'm going to laugh. Yeah.

Now, admittedly, that means we don't get the great memes. OK, this is what many conservatives are worried about. But I'm willing to bet there's going to be some conservative meltdown videos. But I got to be honest. No way, dude. There will be. But they're not going to be entertaining. True.

It's going to be a guy going. It's going to be like, you know, Glenn Beck saying, America, it's serious this time. Yeah. And we need to come together. And it's going to be like, okay, Glenn, you know, you're right. But they're not true meltdown. I know. Emotional breakdown. The extent to. They're not emotional breakdowns.

The extent to which we're going to see conservatives is, there might be some people, but I really don't think, you know what it is? It's that the conservatives aren't going to pull out their phones, put them in their car on the dashboard and drive and go, no, Trump. I'm imagining it's a middle-aged guy with sunglasses on, you know, like the very stereotypical and he's driving, Trump lost. It's not going to happen. It's not sunglasses on, you know, like the very stereotypical, and he's driving, Trump lost! It's not going to happen. It's not going to, you know.

I got an old buddy who works at a tech company, and he's like, dude, he's like, first of all, you know I don't vote. I really don't care. So I was like, all right, that's true, my friend. He's like, but my team of salespeople, all the people come in the next day, and they're crying. I had a bunch of people call out. They're too emotionally traumatized.

They can't come in the next day and they're crying i had a bunch of people call out they're too emotionally traumatized they can't come in our executives brought in trauma counselors and grief counselors to like coach our it's like what is wrong with people because trump tweeted nope when he when trump won in 2016 oh yeah and it had these trauma set and it's like and it's like if you are emotionally debilitated because an opposing political party won. That's not because of the politics. It's because of you. It's you, girlfriend. Look, I'm invested. I had a great thing working with the president's team on this thing.

I'd love to see it win. I'd love for us to extend it to K-12 schools and universities. But if he loses, I'm going to be like, all right, cool. Well, now we're going to shift our strategy, do something different. Do something else. Yeah. You can't invest your emotion and psychology into that stuff but i would say that i'm kind of concerned about the future and i'm worried about having kids and stuff so i

guess we'd cross that bridge you know man i've always been uh i think we were talking about we're talking about this with jack about not being afraid of being the other i i don't care if if this country goes insane and people are running around doing crazy things i'll advocate for it to cease and for people to be arrested but if we came to a point where the whole country was critical race theory or whatever bro i'll go down to the mountains dude we could run the show without a president we don't need someone sitting there to do this right yeah well i'm just saying at the end of the day it comes down to the individual and you need to be responsible for yourself yeah so if the whole country goes woke and crazy it's like i'll take care of myself

and i'll do the best that i can and i think that's why moderates conservatives and even people who are disaffected liberals are mature adults and that's really i think there really is a separation i mean look like you mentioned trauma counselors these people are not adults yeah they're like you know you know i kind of view it as sort of a permanent childhood similar to what we did to wolves you know but dogs are basically permanently child but like wolf cubs you know what i mean i was reading about this you have a lot of people who've not reached that level of maturity where they understand what life really is. And I wonder if it's because they're pampered and protected.

It's the result of our wealth and success. Because I've been homeless. I've slept outside. I've been in the middle of nowhere. I've gone camping. I'm willing to bet many of these people have never gone to the woods. It's like, what do you do when you got to take a dump and you're in the middle of the woods and you're 30 miles out?

They probably have no idea. Don't cut yourself. They have no idea. So to them, it's like there's do you do when you got to get dumped in your middle of the woods and you're 30 miles out? They probably have no idea yourself. They have no idea. So to them, it's like there's something always there for them. And if they don't get it, what do they do? They bark at people. It's just like, what did you feel the moment you found out Trump won 2016? Honestly, I'm just shock and disbelief.

I was with a friend of mine. We're watching returns. And I can't believe this is like, what is that? I just kind of shock, disbelief, interest, curiosity um i didn't really have a dog in the fight i wasn't you know emotionally invested either way i just said this is nothing like this has ever happened before and um buckle up it's gonna be an interesting four years like someone hit me in the gut it was such i woke up like 2 a.m to check the results and it just felt like the wind knocked out of me for a second yeah i think it shocked me out of this like

this you know this remember i was telling you i thought we were gonna get nuked when i was in la yeah it was like hillary's in the system's rigged we're all doomed anyway it's the feeling and i just got shocked out of it when trump won yeah let's see uh balian says every time i try bringing up tucker to my liberal friends it's always well, Fox lawyers want a case saying any intelligent person would never take anything he says seriously. So I'm not listening to this lying POS. Rachel Maddow. That's on Tucker. Project Veritas says they won't settle.

They'll take it all the way. Tucker should have. End of story. And that's it. And if he got something wrong, he can admit he's wrong. Veritas wins, man. Well, if anybody sues, you don't settle. You just take it all the way and drive it to the ground.

End of story. If Tucker won his case by claiming that he's not reasonable, he caved. That's on him. And you have to figure out how to argue past that. That's true. Find someone else. What was the case? I don't know.

Flaming Short says, is socialism caused by schizophrenia spectrum? Fascism by psychopathy? Liberalism by autistic spectrum? I don't know. Okay. Flaming Short says, is socialism caused by schizophrenia spectrum, fascism by psychopathy, liberalism by autistic spectrum? I don't know. I think socialism is caused by ignorance, but that might be too vague. Yeah, a little bit. It just seems it's like an ideal,

like let's all just share everything all the time. Very pie in the sky. I don't think it's reducible to like mental illness, which is what they're suggesting. They're saying there's a DSM category for every political ideology. I don't think it's that. I think a lot of people are well-intentioned. It's just the gap between intentions and results.

Juan Eats Burritos says, if you're really about freedom of speech, Tim, you would Nick Fuentes on. He's actually banned for being a dissident voice. And then he says, Vosh Pito Apologist. Here's what I've said over and over again and now i'm gonna start a tally list i have a tally already i will not be bullied into having people come on this show and i will have them on if they're relevant and i don't care if you know like someone like nick has been banned and whatever we'll have anybody we want on and i'll also state that they're these people are kind of trying to sabotage nick's chances of coming on because yeah he was already recommended to us a while ago and we've already been you know working on setting something up so for people to come out now and like start i'm getting messages all the time people are tweeting at me like crazy and they're

very like derogatory it's almost like they're trying to make sure we don't book this guy he's uh he's one of the america first guys okay and he got banned from a bunch of platforms and so we had you know one guy on and everyone's like well they got this guy on and i'm like no no we're gonna have on who we want to have on and i'm not gonna let people say well if you have him you gotta have him if you have him you gotta have him but a good friend of mine actually asked that we reach out to him because of how he got banned and censorship it's such a big deal but now all these people you know are trying to be really adversarial about it and it's kind of you And it's kind of –

It's off-putting. It's really off-putting. Yeah. It's like – but it could be people who hate him trying to make sure we don't book them. That's possible. That's why I don't take them. False flag operation. Wow.

But legit. Legit. For sure. I would like to say that I am actually keeping a tally. And the more people who bother me about Nick Fuentes, the less likely I am to want to talk to him. Don't fall for the false flag. Yeah. But I don't want to fall for people knowing that's like i know because i i think that might be what

it is because 5d and it's because i i had someone reach out to me like very politely and be like hey we'd love to make the case for actually having a conversation about this cool and the the weird messages i get on twitter are like trying to make it seem like he's a bad like he's attacking us or whatever right that's why i'm like you know who we should have on nick fuentes okay interesting so uh he got i don't know the full details like the the main issue is we have to like we we produce shows so we want to figure out what what makes sense and what's relevant but people think we just like randomly like one day we'll be like oh let's have this guy i've never heard of come on the show but i know nick is and i i know a little bit and i'm talking with a friend who actually is very familiar with his circumstances so uh

stay tuned let's see wolf hammer says began fighting critical race theory in college in 92 best day was when a black woman professor came in and tore down the idea right in front of all the white professors wow fierce what is i don't know if that's super chat is i'm just gonna skip it let's see mrs uploader says big tech diversity is a trojan horse made by career hungry i'm a facebook employee uh made by career hungry 90 employees are not are not white across big tech 75 are not american apple itunes team is 99 indian youtube marketing is 95% women. Wow. Let's see.

Nathan F says, Tim, you are moving in the right direction. I know it's hard to believe, but this type of division was planted in our country decades ago. Please check out G Edward Griffin's clip more deadly than war from 1969. Do you know what that is? Yeah. I think he's like warning against kind of communist infiltration.

It's like a cold war propaganda film that some people think is is accurate for today i think it's that it is spork spork which says i was job hunting for the better part of a year in 2016-17 once i stopped marking white male disabled veteran and marked decline to answer decline to answer disabled veteran my ratio of callbacks to applications doubled you want to know what's crazy? When I was growing up, I was told by my parents never to mark down that I was Asian. Just put other. They said, don't put anything. Or if you really want to, you know, just like, yeah, other.

I don't even put Caucasian. I put other. Don't put white. Don't put white. They said, don't put white or don't put white they said don't put white or don't put asian i know a lot of biracial couples and in my area that basically counsel their kids to just say try to pass as white on your applications because the asian penalty is like oh yeah it's like 400 sat points or something extreme i was told i'd be better off just trying to claim that i was latino well it'd be a lot better i'd be like they'd be like are you caucasian i'm like no i'm not from the caucasus that was always the weird thing i worked i worked with this guy uh when i worked at american eagle airlines and we were talking about all this stuff because it was super mixed i was like hispanic guys there were

guys from south america there are filipino guys and then one dude this like uh this like tall black dude got really angry it's out of nowhere and he goes they keep calling me african-american but i'm from haiti and we were like that's a good point it's like i'm not from africa yeah yeah yeah and then someone brought up caucasus they're like nobody in this room is from the caucasus region why are they caucasian that's so weird it's time for the american race correct sir let's see flemish populist says it has been demonstrated that the more you discriminate against someone for a specific characteristic the more they identify themselves by that characteristic i.e. race

gender religion etc interesting Morgan Freeman speaks about that a lot he's like the best way to get rid of racism stop calling me a black man I'll stop calling you a white man just call me a man yeah well that's at odds with critical race theory reaper right reaper bot says if the far left wants pro-abortion no matter what

which get uh which gives women the ability to opt out of parenthood then maybe the u.s should remove court-mandated child support so men no longer forced to help support a child they did not want to have i've actually heard that argument from leftists they've said that they're absolutely okay with if women have a right to choose then men have a right to choose to sever no i don't know about that what do you guys think i don't think they're i don't think they're equivalent yeah they're not like a false uh analogy dichotomy false yeah let's see what does it say call melon says chris fellow washingtonian

here how do you feel about evergreen state college i live in olympia i hate that school well evergreen state college is a great case study. This is the first college where kind of woke student mobs took over the campus. They had the day of kind of separation or the day of whatever they were calling it. They were forcing white students to leave the campus. And some brave, very progressive, very liberal professors stood up, Brett Weinstein and others, and they got booted off campus with a big kind of the first scandal of the woke college mobs. You see the photo of them with the baseball bats? Gosh.

Yeah, totally. That's your new Chaz police force. Super cringe. But the thing that's really interesting about Evergreen right now is that their enrollment has dropped from like 5,000 something to 2,000. So they've been hit hard. And I think it shows, like, like professional sports, like basketball, like these other things, they go really hard woke. But then it does them enormous

damage. So that makes me very happy. It's the economy, stupid. Why would someone go to college? So they can have a better life and have the things they want and succeed. And so when you have people, and you know what i'll tell you what this is a sign that the polls may be wrong just some just some side evidence parents talking to their kids and their kids are like i want to go to school and the parents are like i want my kid to succeed have a good job get a good house you know have a family don't go to that school you see the jim gaffigan no not jim gaffigan uh jim brewer yeah jim brewer the guy from uh halfBaked? Yeah.

He's got a stand-up. I haven't seen the stand-up, but he's got a bit that was being marketed where he's like, my daughter came home from college and she's like, you can't say that! Racist! Racist! You can't say that! You racist! Racist! Racist! And I'm paying for it! I want my

money back! Right. Yeah. For the record, you weren't calling Chris stupid. It's the economy stupid. It's a famous quote. Where is that from? What is that from? For a minute, I was like, yeah. What?

Was it Carville? James Carville. James Carville. Yeah, yeah. Back in Clinton. It's the economy stupid. Yeah. So right now, you got people.

I'll tell you what, man. I've met so many people. And a lot of them complain about how Trump acts and behaves. But the money's good i know he's real good right right now according to gallup 55 of americans say they're better off now than four years ago let's see how good their memories are and if they can you know if they trust in trump to get us out of this because if they're better off now than they were four years ago that means under biden they weren't doing so well and they're doing way better now under trump

good point. Yeah. Ian Hall says, to Ian's point, Gattaca. Eugenics for the win. Huh. I don't know if eugenics is a good thing. Oh, no. No. The progressives were super into it back in the early 1900s.

Oh, yeah. Margaret Sanger, baby. Is there any value to eugenics? Huh, no. I think, you know, but critical race theory is bizarrely kind of, eugenics is scientific racism about 100 years ago. And the idea is that you can reduce someone to an essential racial characteristic, you know, and then sort them into a hierarchy based on those characteristics. And it's, I mean, false science, right? But the critical race theorists do really the same thing. They say you can be reduced to whiteness or blackness.

It's the same thing. It's race essentialism. And I just tell people race essentialism was wrong 100 years ago. It's wrong today. No good. Yeah. That's plain God, yeah. Kevin Kline says, Alex Jones is right.

Prove me wrong. Absolutely not. Well, I don't know if I want to put – you know what I was thinking? Maybe get Alex Jones on the show. We're trying, man. Yeah, we're trying yeah we want to try it okay and i want to get him here with like a leftist yes yes yes yeah that would be like the greatest show ever so uh someone a leftist of similar similar physical size i feel like you need to have like an evenly matched scenario we had this guy on vosh and he's a youtuber he really is cool i like him uh a lot of people a lot is cool. I like him. A lot of people don't like him. A lot of people really don't like him because of comments he said in the past, and they accuse him of all these things.

He's like a dirty gamer. I don't care if you want to criticize him for all those things. Everything the left says about Alex Jones, people on the right will say is ridiculous, it's wrong, and the left is defending Vosh. So you know what I said? They tried canceling Joe Rogan because he had Alex Jones on. Around the exact same time, people were getting mad at me for having Vosha. And I was like, my response to people is I'm going to book him again. He's a box boxer.

Like he's a big dude. Who? Vosha. Vosha. Oh, really? He boxed. I was like, oh, you tell me I can't book somebody. I'll book him again.

Yeah. But no, I want to book him with Alex Jones. So. So. So I tweeted. Well, I want to clarify, too. So I tweeted. I'd love to book them both at the same time to create a cancel culture singularity.

Yes. I don't know if there's like. Let's do it. But it was a matter of circumstance. Not that I think Alex perfectly exemplifies a right wing person or Vosh a left wing person. It was just at that moment. That's what people were saying. So I was like, great.

I'll bring them both on. Let's do it. Oh, my God. And I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they both would be down for that kind of show. And most people are. Most normal people are down with a wide range of opinions. And honestly, you can say out-of-the-box stuff, and it's only a kind of small minority, a very kind of small moral dictatorship from both sides that wants to cancel other people. A lot of times little things people say will get caught by the media and replayed over and over again.

And that's what people think people are. And it's not at all what people are. Okay. This is a good one. Stankly Balls says, Tim, you need to get hammered on election night. And at the end of the night where you have a wrestling match with Vosh, you then need to end the night where you take off the beanie, light it on fire, and the color will show the results.

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to be watching the results, too. And they're going to get notifications if we know who won the present. And you don't need me to light my beanie on fire. I'm not going to know before anyone else. I want it. Stephanie B says, just here to prove I'm real. Piss people off since i was bombarded for super chat saying tim was attractive i'm still real tim's still

attractive too bad he thinks 27 is too young uh p.s lydia has the most calming voice could hear her for hours oh thanks man there you go oh let's see here super jets jacob brownfield says dropped out of college in january 2017 because of critical race theory i couldn't bring myself to write an essay about the culture of whiteness in america now i make 45 to 50k a year instead of taking a loan hey well there you go win-win huh good for him there you go cool bezinski says i realized a lot of audience is unprincipled for haranguing you getting guests they don't like. Free speech is free and you exercise it. Well, I'll tell you something. We got, I think, 85%

thumbs up on the Vosh episode. There are real reasons to criticize him. I'm not defending anything he said or believes in, but only 15% were upset that we actually booked somebody. We had another person on the show and people weren't happy, but it's always around 10 or 15%. And I think it's because most of the people people watch me are kind of just chill, moderate, slightly to the right, maybe a little to the left, maybe libertarian, and they want to hear conversations and they want to see good ideas flourish. So I think, look, if there's some people don't like the show, you don't watch it. That's really that simple.

I will say, though, I want to clarify something. A lot of people who are complaining clearly don't understand leftist tactics. Are you familiar with like leftist tactics with starting down speech and stuff? You're familiar with deplatforming. And you're familiar. Are you familiar with no platforming? Yeah, they're different. Yeah.

So what people are saying is Tim Pool has a show, which is a platform, and he shouldn't invite people to give them that platform. That's called no platforming. De-platform would be if I book someone and then I get barraged with hate demanding I ban him. No platforming is saying no platform for X. And so it's interesting. I looked this up. I think it goes back to the 70s, actually.

There was a movement in the UK, no platform for fascism or whatever. And so they said they created a coalition within their universities. They would not allow any speakers to be given a platform. And as they said, you have a right to free speech. You can go speak wherever you want. I have no obligation to give you a platform. Right, that's called no platforming.

It doesn't mean that I'm going to book everyone. And then people are saying, well, that means that Tim has to book this person. No, it doesn't. It means that if I choose to book someone, I'm not going to give in to people demanding, I know platform ideas they don't like. In the future. That's ridiculous. Then there's no end point to that. There's no limit to that.

So I have to just, anyone you want, I got to put them on the show to prove to you. No platform. No platform. You know, within your audience and your friends, if people, you know, some people get a principal disagreement with you, of course, I think you would engage with that but you have to separate people that you cannot please with people that you can have a dialogue with and this might be one of those cases i don't know yeah some people are saying it's because he's a he's a grifter he's a you know vosh is a bad faith actor or whatever and i'm like look man that may be true but they say the same thing about me they say the same thing about ben shapiro they say the same thing about alex jones so it's like drifter is a meaningless word at this point it's like it's like it's like in the in the

90s when a band sold out oh there's sellouts it's like that's good right yeah we should sell out a show yeah like great yeah isn't that the whole point yeah you ever watch monk debates uh yes yeah you know i would love i would love if like jordan peterson and alex jones were on one side oh my god and then you had just like i wouldn't know who you'd have on the left but the idea is to get like a serious intellectual with a good idea bannon on a monk debate oh yeah i saw that yeah but like interesting yeah not uh alex jones is a very bombastic entertaining fella putting him next to a jordan peterson professor and then doing the same thing for the left and like debate and then you have you know jordan i don't know how he would deal with alex

or alex with jordan but it would be really funny wouldn't it like them trying to argue on the same side you'll eventually have quantum computers and artificial intelligence that'll be able to like set up a tim pool versus whoever you want to see debate and then it'll happen as the artificial intelligence thinks tim would be and so you don't have to force tim to have 80 million people on the show you just simulate it later simulate yeah yeah uh aiden paladin says thank you chris all the crt opponents getting called ignorant should read crt studies they have been so much worse and more egregious in the mainstream for 35 years it's unbelievable racism i would absolutely agree with that. And Aiden, come on the show. We have a bunch of people who want it.

We have a list of people want to book on the show. Anton Maxson says, has anyone ever pondered the question about the extreme contrast that has unfolded after the 2012 Mayan prophecy scare? Love the show. Great work. Let me tell you. I remember a long time ago, December 21st, 2012, they said, right? Oh, yeah.

And they said, the world's going to end. And then people started saying it was very simple. No, the calendar just stops and then starts over. It would be like saying December 31st, the world's going to end because the calendar stops. But I read something a long time ago, way before 2012. I was on the Internet that the Mayan prophecy was actually about a great awakening that would have would create. It was a great awakening that would occur where people would start to understand each other more and gradually come to know each other's thoughts. And I read that and I was like, I wonder what that means.

And then 2012 was when we started seeing in political campaigning the use of social media very heavily. And then Twitter became more and more prominent. And now we are in the world where everyone can see everyone's thoughts on Twitter. Neural net is around the corner. Elon Musk. What is it? Neuralink? Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Dude, we really are learning each other's thoughts with the internet.

Jeff Norman says, bring back the UFO spinning tabletop thing. I got you one better. I believe it's downstairs. I think we got to go get it. It's a... So the UFO was a levitating lamp. spinning tabletop thing. I got you one better. I believe it's downstairs. I think we gotta go get it. So the UFO was a levitating lamp and I ordered a levitating potted plant. So I thought it would be funny because

the plant is actually alive. So what we have is we have this duster for the table and people would be like, spin the UFO and then we would turn the air on and spin it. Now we're gonna have this poor potted plant spinning at high rates of speed. Yes. Not understanding what's happening.

Oh, no. Not that the plant has a brain or anything. Live plant abuse. Yes. I'm excited. I don't think it'll actually have a negative impact on the plant. It should be good. But if it will, then I won't.

It should be really good. I don't think it will. I mean, I don't know. It should be good, yeah. But it might, the water might, you know, get, you know, centripetal force or whatever. So I'll make sure we don't actually we got two recommendations here eric says you and jimmy door gotta have a

three-hour session i went on jimmy door show before and jimmy's uh definitely invited i would love to have jimmy jimmy's awesome uh craig f says book andy no uh trying man we we have a list of people that we've actually reached out to a lot of them i haven't yeah and i and i will and i will stress on our list of potential guests yes is nick fuentes um i've been talking to some people yeah i i bring this up because i suppose if if there really is people messaging me the tactic of like mentioning him it's working congratulations you know but we we have a list of a lot of people my thing is like uh you know what man we? We do a sort of a journalistic thing. I hate the word journalism at this point because everyone always argues who is and who isn't.

Who's writing in his journal now? No, but look, we've had people on where it's been a very serious interview with the Proud Boys guy, Immigratario on. And we want to ask them questions. We want to understand them. And it's more journalistic than the average conversational, you know, podcast kind of thing.

And so we have a list of people that we want for very serious shows, people we want for very conversational shows. And we're trying to put together relevant conversations about things that are happening. And it includes a lot of people. And some of these people I'm like,

I think I will get banned when we book that person. But hey, why not? Whatever. If we can't- Who are those people? I can't pull anybody off the top of my head but certainly enrique tarrio was one of them yeah we are concerned that's fine no right or alex jones even alex there's you know we're gonna get

all the attempts and even someone like nick fuentes but i'm like if a journalist needs one if if somebody if we're gonna get to the root of what's going on in this country and who these people are who have followings and have ideas we need to understand them we need to talk to them that's it let's see uh someone mentioned steve bannon um steve bannon would be welcome as well it'd be very interesting i you know the challenges i i want to get leftists it's impossible to book them yeah we can we can like look at this we got we got one guy being like tim book this guy now book him book him and they're like you have to book him and it's like okay okay well maybe maybe not well you know we're working through our list of what we think would make for you know, you have to book him. And it's like, okay, okay. Maybe. Maybe not. Well, you know, we're working through our list of what we think would make for good

shows and it's not super easy. It's a job. And the leftists we want to book, they usually ignore or say no or they'll lie publicly like, I'll come on your show. I'm not scared. I'm not really going to come. And then they don't show up. And then it's on me to be like, I don't know

why they didn't come. Then they'll make up an excuse. Well, it's because of COVID. I can't actually go in there. Yeah. And they don't show up. And then it's on me to be like, I don't know why they didn't come. Then they'll make up an excuse. Well, it's because of COVID. I can't actually go in there. And it's like, okay, whatever, man. 1991 Shadowheart says, Tim, have J.B.P. and Vaush on for a lively debate. When the good doctor has recovered. Also, Dankula on the stream when?

Yes. Dankula, of course. Anytime. Yeah, anytime. But the challenge is Dankula and Sargon are both in the UK. Rude. So it's like international travel, COVID. Anytime. Yeah, anytime. But the challenges, Dankula and Sargon are both in the UK. Rude. So it's like international travel, COVID, it's not super easy.

Anyway, we've actually gone a little bit, we've gone way over today. Just a little, yeah. So how about, do you want to mention anything, your socials, any programs, anything you're doing, Chris? Yeah, I mean, it just started to really be active on Twitter the last six months, and it's been actually a lot of fun and is a tremendous boost. And I think it's just been fascinating to watch. And obviously, you know this,

probably a lot of your listeners know, but things that happen on Twitter influence the real world in powerful ways. And it's just been great to take ideas, take research, take investigative reports that I've been doing and actually putting it out there. So I'd love to engage with all of your listeners,

your fans. What's your account? It's realchrisrufo, just at realchris rufo r ufo r ufo yeah and um and it's great fo yeah are you oh i'm not are you it's been the ufo but um yeah it's really good and powerful and i think like we can do tremendous good on a lot of these issues and and people in very powerful places uh they listen, they watch it and just great. So, dude, didn't you just do a documentary?

I did. Yeah. And a weird kind of a scary kind of parallel track I had produced. I directed a documentary, a feature. Actually, you know what? We can send your folks this. I directed a documentary for PBS and it broadcast nationally on PBS on Tuesday. Meanwhile, the critical race theory stuff that I've been doing was a very hairy

process I was really convinced that at some point that PBS was going to cancel me because we can't have anti-critical race theory guy broadcasting on you know kind of halo PBS so I was like oh man it's a matter of time before I get the call and then sometimes and then but I kind of kept them going

on parallel tracks we had the broadcast but for anyone who's watching or who's a matter of time before i get the call and then sometimes uh and then but i kind of kept them going on parallel tracks we had the broadcast but um for anyone who's watching or who's a fan uh you can rent the film on amazon but even better um you can just go to americalostfilm.com slash premiere uh and you can watch it for free um and for me it's you know it's not a money thing it's really just getting a lot of people to see it and i look at i spent you know five years um actually documenting life in three of america's poorest cities right on them so that's that's the that's the film well if you haven't already smashed the like button it's uh friday we're back on monday should we announce who our monday guest is sure is it is that cool yeah i think so jack posobic right it's yeah okay cool'm like, I'm going to say his name.

Wait a minute. It is, right? I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah, Jack. Jack from One American News. He's got like a million followers. I'm excited. You know, big personality.

He's going to come hang out. And then we have election day the next day. So it's going to get crazy. We're going to have an open party. I don't know who's going to come on the stream. I guess you got a quantum physicist is going to come. Yes. He will tell you he's not a quantum physicist, but he studied his bachelor's in science.

He's a genius. All right. All right. I'm excited. So we're going to have some Yes, he will tell you he's not a quantum physicist, but he studied his bachelor's in science. He's a genius. All right, all right. I'm excited. So we're going to have some crazy conversations throughout the night. We're going to open up this, like this,

I'm going to run the stream all night. We're just going to, like, walk away. There'll be people hanging out here having pizza and beer and we're going to have

the election on. There's a TV over there. And then throughout the house we're going to have a bunch of people playing video games, hanging, skating, all that good stuff.

So stick around. We'll be back Monday with a great show. Of course, you can follow Ian. Yes, at ian crossland you can follow me on most social platforms including twitter instagram youtube and you can of course follow at sour patch lids i'm over here follow me sour patch lids l y d s and you can find me on twitter instagram parlor at timcast and you can also follow me on youtube with my other channels youtube.com slash timcast and youtube.com slash timcast news and i will also add if you have also follow me on YouTube with my other channels, youtube.com slash Timcast and youtube.com slash Timcast news.

And I will also add, if you have been following me on Instagram, I have been posting a cryptic countdown. Super cryptic. Uh, because I'm actually releasing a music video. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Fully full production, full, uh, uh, animation. And it is coming out November 2nd, the day before all the election,

because it is about, uh, very much. So it is about violent revolution and the cycle of violence wonderful and it is uh yeah so i'm a real uplifter huh oh it's it's it's a it's a really like i've been i've been uh i wrote the story i wrote the song and then you know uh nishra produced the music and did all the like everything but the music on top and then we got uh some animators to animate the story and it is when i wrote it i'm like this is a good story now i've seen it 50 billion times and i'm just like so uh i'm assuming it's good it is good it's quite good from what i've seen it's good yeah yeah it's it's it's it's, it's all about the video, and the song was written to it, and maybe we'll show

you after the show. Yeah, cool. But anyway, we'll be back Monday with, I believe, Jack, hopefully. Hopefully it doesn't cancel. Come on, Jack, don't. You gotta come. Come on, man. And thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all then.