Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #162 - Former VICE Editor-In-Chief In Studio With BREAKING News

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

Tim and Lydia honest SCNR journalist Emily Molli and Rocco Castoro (also the former editor of VICE),  (@SCNRBot on Twitter) to talk about major breakthroughs in our understandings of how major players and institutions work, as well as how partisan journalism has become.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How's it going, everybody? Joining me tonight, I have a very special guest and someone you actually already know. Emily, I'm not to not to discredit you as not being special, but most people who see my stuff might know who you are. So Emily's hanging out, but we also have Rocco Castoro, who's not been on the show before. Yeah. Former editor in chief of Vice. Yes. Give us a look on your face. Hi. So you guys have a a breaking story and so we're just gonna we're gonna talk a bit but uh the story that you guys have is it's about uh what weapons trafficking the pentagon it's about specifically what happened to the light i don't know yours is a little dark oh man it's all good specifically about um the 1mdb scandal and a lot of uh shigans, let's say, that came around there. Recently, Elliot Brody, the former deputy co-finance chair of the RNC, might remember

him as such great as hits as having to pay a former Playboy playmate who Bloomberg claimed he coerced into having an abortion, $1.4 million, and then he had to step down from the RNC. I don't know anything about what that was. Well, you can Google that. And recently, he got indicted for foreign influence, crimes related to foreign influence surrounding the 1MDB scandal. And previously, an associate of his,

Nikki Lum Davis, was indicted back in August for similar things. Well, we, it kind of felt like manna from heaven. We got a cache of documents that resulted in other caches of documents that relate to the 1MDB scandal. But specifically, we have honed in on invoices or quotes, I guess you could say, both within this cache that concern MRAP logistics and support. MRAP are armored vehicles. They're made by the U.S. government, armed forces, that are used.

They're actually mine-resistant vehicles, right? So they're like the size of a school bus. This particular document has to do with a quote for, you know, something about, what is it, $13 million or something for the original quote? Oh, the original? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it might be around $15 million. 15 well let's look good we'll get in on it yeah and that's not my camera just is on the fritz right now that'll be up in about 10 minutes you guys can watch it so maybe we'll come back to that so

but long story short what is this government malfeasance it happened in uh the story starts in 2015 so it's kind of a beautifully apolitical story because it overflows between administrations. Interesting. Yeah. Oh. It started with Obama. Well, and it leads into – Brody also had a company called Sersenist. That's an open source intelligence company is what it's referred to and does other things too.

But he was kind of selling packages that were related to some of these government matters. We'll have to start from the beginning. So before we get into all that, so Rocco Castoro, former editor-in-chief of Vice, and now what are you doing? I'm working for a little outlet called Scanner, or Scener, or S-C-N-R.

It's whatever you want it to be. So this is one of the first updates we've done in a really long time about Scanner. So we started it a while ago. It was Subverse, and now it's Scanner. And you guys have basically been leading the charge on all that stuff. And now you have a big breaking story, which we'll get into. Everybody, I think...

Well, not everybody, but this is Emily Mollie. This is Emily. I don't know. Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. Do you want to put your mic up? I'm Emily Mollie. I have been working for subverse slash scanner since what

february 2019 about and then um yeah so now uh i was primarily doing um on the ground reporting uh covering social movements civil unrest and uh all kinds of other things and then um yeah started doing this full-time did some just would typically write and do desk presentations of everything from like cyber security to like geopolitics and all kinds of like different technology stories um while doing my on the ground coverage and now we just kind of like flip the format a little bit to more just field reporting straight up field reporting and um yeah rocco came in in and helped set all of that up. You know how I know you guys are like real journalists?

You're boring. Okay, let's spice it up. So did you lose any money on the election? No, of course not. I'm not going to gamble. I'm not going to gamble. I didn't bet any. I'm not going to gamble.

Come on. No, I like to gamble in a casino with like a set amount of money for fun. But the odds are probably more accurate than the polls, I would say. Yeah. Yeah, but they were flipping around. They were. That's odds for you. Yeah.

Well, before we... We'll spice it up. Subscribe, like button, notification bell. You know what to do. Show us Monday to Friday live. Get this. I do want to start talking about

with media and stuff, though, because I've not had an opportunity to sit down with you and talk about everything in the media. I think a lot of people need to understand when digital media was like taking off, you were basically the dude.

I mean, you can say that. That's awfully nice of you to say. I mean, I was certainly a pioneer, if that's not too lame of a word to use. I was at a spot where new media, as they called it back in my day, which obviously was a faulty term because it won't be new for long, was seen as some savior, you know, where BuzzFeed had trending LOL, LOS, and, you know, Vice was the bad boys, right?

And then, you know, Vox was the serious, hey, we got Ezra Klein over here and we have Chorus, this CMS product. They were, in other words, they were valued like tech companies but they had no product their content was the product they tried to show that they had a product whether that be data this or that and if you look at their valuations it follows suit where you have a bunch of companies where people probably have super voting shares and stuff and now they've taken haircuts that have brought them down to you know less than a billion which is really where did five billion bucks go i started advice you know well that was the largest that was the highest valuation i mean yeah it was like 5.7 though wasn't it was like upwards of two

you know people put a half a billion bucks in in each of these companies essentially and we're from three to five hundred you know million where'd the money go i don't know it probably went through ad fraud which the doj has been investigating for years now and something like we've been talking to this guy dr augustine fowl who's an ad fraud researcher out of canada who's very well respected a lot of his research first of all that he references um on his twitter is amazing and the research he participates in is also amazing and we've discovered you know upwards of 80 percent of budgets are screwed up uh in terms of most budgets account for 20 percent of fraud, and you should

be looking at 40-50% of fraud. So let's slow down. Can you name some websites specifically that have done stuff like this? Well, it's very difficult to classify this. So you have everything from traffic assignment letters, which Variety and a bunch of other sites, Digiday, have written about concerning Vice,

which is where other domains trade the sales of their ads for their traffic. You can assign it to yourself. Wait, wait, we'll slow down. Like, are there any specific websites that you can name that have done things like this? And then we'll explain what it is. I would say the majority of new media websites during that time, as well as I'd say any website that isn't going to be behind a paywall does this to an extent the

percentage to which they do it is um what the question is here you can be unwittingly participating in this because ad units get sold in a weird way the general idea is we've got big companies big brands sure some of the biggest digital media outlets and And the money they're making is fraudulent. They're basically selling ads, telling brands, if you put the ad on our website, you're going to get, what, like 100,000 clicks, right? But then they're actually getting bots fake clicking. It can be bots. It can be what's called ghost traffic, which is actually a legitimate click. It's very technical.

It's not really important. It'd be like me. It'd be like me giving you monopoly money. I'd be like, hey, Tim, here's a buck and you give me a real quarter back. And I keep doing that, right? Eventually that defunds not only the market, but the US dollar and currency. Because if you have a backlog of inventory that's flowing through the global advertising system and you keep devaluing that based off fake clicks, that what does that mean i mean it means that you're devaluing money right yeah it's not right and it hurts journalism because it allows bad actors to to screw out the bottom line i think we started seeing so i remember that that era i remember like i think even shane talked about the ceo of vice but they were all they were all

for it basically they would assign their traffic to other companies so that you would think you were buying an advertisement on a high profile website like vice but you're actually getting like dose.com or something that's not fraud though that was legal right right yeah but yeah but dose.com that was whatever side yeah that was a traffic assignment but advertisers frown on that now you can't really be bona fide and do that anymore comscore and nielsen all these companies have boxed you in on that yeah so uh have you been paying attention to vice lately not really i left in 2015 so i mean can you uh you want to talk about sure i mean you can ask me questions i may have to give you a glomar i can neither confirm what uh i remember you know back in the day when i when i so when we first met especially vice was like

edgy hip cool kind of just doing whatever i think you think you had a video where you were like blowing stuff up or something anarchist cookbook yeah yeah yeah and then and then it started to become like obama came in you know what i mean i mean yeah i mean there were certain i felt like at some point maybe we were doing or not just them but and i don't have any proof of this but other outlets i know were. I know that after I left, Vice worked with the Saudi government, for instance. I feel like they were doing branded content for governments. And I think a lot of mainstream outlets do that.

I think a lot of supposedly independent outlets are doing that right now, and they're using botnets. It's the same crap. CNN did it. Sure. CNN would do. It was. I remember back in the day, CNN was accused of doing like nefarious backroom deals with companies.

Sure. I'm sorry, with countries. But then these countries would be like, no, no, no, it's a legitimate commercial buy. It's like branded programming. But Fox News did it with the whole Seth Rich thing too. I mean, that's under investigation right now. What was that all about? What was that?

Well, there was a meeting between people in a room that had a lunch. I can go ahead and name those people, but I don't want to get you sued. And we're investigating it. I think you would get get sued i don't think i'm going to get sued because it's the truth and um you know these people all agreed uh bitowski i can name because he's at the center of that um aaron rich is currently you know going to get to the bottom of the truth and um i think it was a very very very very coordinated plan that was based off faulty i don't mean faulty a fake intelligence report actually made by russian intelligence whoa like this was the seth rich

story like when fox business published the seth rich story i know you've done videos in south yeah you've taken them down which is you know taking the videos down you've taken a couple down no yes yeah i've had a bunch of videos removed. For what? I don't know. This was a big deal. Really? My video on the Icelandic woman got removed as well. Yeah. One day I got a list. Someone sent me that I had a bunch of videos on my channel were no longer there.

That's it. That's weird. Yeah, it is. You should inquire about that. Yeah. Because the videos I did on Seth Rich were not particularly definitive except for when Fox Business ran a story saying they had a laptop

with definitive information or whatever. Like, they had a laptop that claimed there was a communication between Rich and WikiLeaks or something. I remember that when I first started visiting, you know, you called me about possibly working with Subverse or doing some different stuff. You told me straight up when you met with Assange that

basically told you Seth Rich did it. No. You didn't say that? No. Dude, I wish. Because then I went to Emily. I didn't know Emily was there with you and I went to her and asked her

and she's like, no. Yeah, I know. Dude, dude, dude. If anything like that would have happened, I would have run out the door waving the papers. Whoa, his videos are removed.

So make a guy. No, those videos got removed and NBC used them to smear me. So Kim.com, you know, came out. Yeah, I remember I signed Kim.com to you, actually, advice. Advice. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun.

So, okay, we got to slow down. We got to make sure everybody knows the context, man. So when I was at Vice, you told me to go to New Zealand or something? No, no. It was that. I was supposed to go on some radio show instead we'll walk back a little bit like you know i had interviewed you in 2011 i think uh because we we did an uh issue of vice that was called the moral compass issue that was right around a crazy year that was kind of a lot like occupy wall

street right occupy wall street and i think i had we'd done a photo shoot actually where we put like uh guys and guy fox mask in like really high-end fashion and you know we just thought it was very uh disruptive i guess and people seemed to like it and we did we had to do fashion shoots it was part of the thing i'm not a fashion shoot guy but that was part of my job and got us money so um you know i think i might have met you around that time because we were doing a lot of stuff around there and i think you know you're reluctant at first to get do an interview you get the interview like i don't know what that's why i want to yeah yeah yeah and you were like humor you're very um rightfully so i

think you know very um cautious about mainstream and media and uh even for vice at the time this was 2011 right so like um and you know this is before the hbo show this is before things i started advice where gavin had just gotten booted i've really never met Gavin, except we can talk about later the one time I did. And, you know, I didn't really realize what was going on. It was 2005, essentially. And I started as an editorial assistant for Thomas Morton, who's one of my favorite people ever. And I had the ride of my life where I became editor-in-chief a few years later, probably because no one else did. So I was supposed to go on some radio program in minnesota or something

sure like it was a big national and then uh i guess you told them to send me to new zealand because i knew we gotta back up though because like i told vice news to hire you because they were like trying to poach my people that i was working with or had they just put uh jason mojica uh which we won't get into that right now you can google who he is uh on board and um you know i thought to myself well they need a lot of content filled they have no idea what they're talking about with news they're bringing that guy on i'm you know i know tim's gonna annoy the shit out of this guy no so shane said there was no vice news before me yeah but that's there was like built the entire

budget no no but there was like the they would they would run kind of they would put vice news on it but the official channel was supposed to be the things that didn't make hbo that's what shane said sure once it got funded but hbo wasn't around for about a year before vice news but so after sorry after vice news then they got funded i actually funded i had to talk to them i don't want to i don't want to name everybody and drag everybody through like there there's i'm not going to name certain people but uh i didn't negotiate with them on actually doing the on the ground live stream stuff because they didn't want to do it no that's not true because i told them you should hire this kid to do live stream i was doing live no they told me

they didn't want to do well that didn't didn't really work out that way did it no it didn't i know probably because you were telling them i was and then i said why aren't you going to go send them you guys want big hits you're trying to poach my people send him to kim.com and it got i and then they wouldn't fund it i funded it i said fine here you go and you went i kind of regret that because the video should have been higher production but well they they had they had this thing there where it was like constantly begrudgingly doing things you know so whatever and then that's the media that's the media you can't complain about

that you gotta play the game if you're gonna okay okay but we were talking about soldier the seth rich stuff all right so kim.com right i i had uh i i think it was i'm not gonna say i don't want to say any names but one of the main directors called to me and says, do you want to go to New Zealand and interview Kim.com? Like the famous hacker guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I knew a bit,

I knew a decent amount about him already. Sure. And the concern was that the person they had normally had do interviews didn't know anything

about these people. I guess someone interviewed Assange before and it wasn't like substantive. It wasn't good. So I actually knew a ton and then I don't know, you know, what capacity.

Well, we have to go back in time when Kim.com was this was right right when he was being well it was around the mega upload stuff the mega upload stuff so this is before kim.com was any sort of political spokesperson or force in any which way shape or form except for like the same wavelength as assange in terms of data rights and freedom right he got he got raided by what, like the MPAA in New Zealand. Right. So for those that don't know, Kim.com was an internet entrepreneur, never set foot in the United States, launched a company called Mega Upload, where you could host, like you could, it's like Google Drive, right?

Before there was a... Before there was Google Drive. But people were using it for piracy. You could upload a video and then search it and find movies. So sure enough, they accused him of being a pirate. And then eventually they raided his mansion compound in New Zealand. And it was American interests with the New Zealand government that did it. Well, I would imagine New Zealand probably had some interest in that too.

For sure. Because they're partner countries. But yes, sure. So I ended up interviewing the guy. We did the video. The video took off. It did really, really really well and then where did you want to go if you want you wanted to go back in time but we were talking that was it i wanted to give it some context right right right right on right on so uh since kim.com amplified the seth rich story so much you know right and

he's so so then sorry so then there was this DNC email leak. And how did this idea emerge? It was Assange, right? He was doing an interview and they asked him. No, there was a fake SRV or SVR. I always get it confused. Russian intelligence report. But it was made by Russian intelligence. And this is from the mouth the the prosecutor essentially working on the case

term you know it's and she's retired it's it's it uh michael it's caught at a great thing called conspiracy land on this yeah i think your friend cassandra's on that too but and you know she had something very close to that and so did luke rodowski who i also know from back in my days and but yeah i still know luke he had something on this well he was one of the very first people to run a story by alice donovan you know i think i might get this wrong sorry i didn't well yeah there were there were some posts made on we are change um alice donovan i believe was the first one well alice donovan's named in both the moore report in which we don't need to get into that whole thing but it's very clear when you look at the previous postings before seth rich that it's a russian propaganda vehicle right and what what else did they talk about like pro sod stuff uh

yeah apparently there was um certain pro asad talking points i guess being laundered through various blogs um and i think alice donovan was also one of the one of the authors interesting yeah it was being laundered through like places likeutnik and RT, which Sandra was working at. But we know that an intelligence report, a fake one, that was used in collusion with a group of individuals, one being the Fox News reporter that initially reported the story that had retracted. And now there's a bunch of lawsuits for it. So I think it was a Fox Business article claiming that his laptop had communications with wikileaks and that was the basis for something i talked about and then someone asked me in like a live stream did i think it was true or not and i

was like 60 you know 70 or whatever and we literally had an article from fox saying that there were communications and that was the base of it yeah that was used by nbc to smear me claiming i was pushing the conspiracy but i was also saying you know kim.com is claiming it's true and i i i'm pretty sure i said in every video these things never pan out stuff like this doesn't happen the likelihood there's evidence is probably slim to none but i don't think kim.com is a liar i've met the guy i've talked to him and so i guess well you know we'll see how this you know plays out and then at some point yeah a bunch of videos got purged from my channel what you know is really irksome about this is that i discovered it because i had a video i produced in norway called the istal woman of norway this

is just me going to bergen norway and talking but this is the craziest thing i was talking to local researchers about a woman who was found dead in the just outside of the city of bergen she was like found face down in a fire pit dead of smoke inhalation and they found a suitcase full of like passports and a bunch of other stuff it's a very famous like it's not a conspiracy story because it literally happened they just don't know who she was there's also the story do you know the story of talmadge shud it sounds familiar. A guy in Australia washes up on shore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's got a bunch of passports.

So I just talked to some locals. And we were walking around in Bergen, and we asked some locals, what's a good story? And they said, ooh, the Istal woman, the ice woman. That video's gone. And I love showing it to people because it was just a silly mystery video. All we did was talk folklore with locals. I went on my channel because I was like, check out this really old video made it was really fun gone do you know backup of it no no no no so uh nowadays all the all my videos are produced are backed up on like

bit shoot yeah or or minds.com but that was uh but back then and so then someone sent me an email saying like i mentioned it and they were like i went through and checked and there was something like 30 videos that had been removed from my channel without me knowing very interesting i have some i have some ideas about uh google and what google wants and what facebook wants and what the big tech companies are doing uh and a simple way to put it is why for some reason my channel doesn't get removed well i've had my some of my videos have over 15 million views. And if you Google my name, you will not be able to find them.

Yeah. You explain that one to me. And three of them have been removed. You know, we had, do you know who Alan Bakari is? No. Breitbart tech reporter. Okay.

We had him in, he wrote a book and he talked. Oh, isn't that Cassandra's friend? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He talked about how Facebook has, and I'm probably going to butcher what he was telling me, so just fact check this, that they try to figure out what kind of content de-radicalizes people and then promote it as much as possible. That's weird. Yep.

Either which way, it's psychographic. So then when I hear like a bunch of my videos got removed, but I don't want to get too conspiratorial. Well, yeah, I guess. but it's i don't want to get you know too conspiratorial well yeah i guess you don't but at the same time it's like if they're doing that and there's no explanation it should be an investigation into like why videos are gone well what you just said if if they're doing the de-radicalization or they're promoting the algorithm for some reason promotes and i'm not saying it's a human choice somehow gets flipped in a way that inadvertently promotes radicalization videos like we need to know about that as people we need to have access to that data public the the

challenge is they don't know what how do you define what is radicalizing because it's it's subjective perspective the disingenuous the disingenuousness of and the intent which is a hard thing to prove yes no no right right like obviously if someone's putting out fake news misinformation sure and disruptive like but if someone says something like my opinion on taxation is x let me put it this way if you purposefully use things like botnets malware um click fraud ad fraud and you use that to boost your message that is fraud and that defalues advertising it's 100 100 fraud if you call yourself a journalist or in the media doing that, I'm going to find you

and I'm going to take your money out of your pockets. And that's what I've been working on in the past year. I'm going to avoid saying some names. Don't have to. Oh, their servers have already been scraped. We hired 12 Security,

who's a renowned systems administrator. Wait, am I supposed to assume who you're talking about? You don't have to. He's been in like the Washington Post and New York Times. He discovered the worries. I was going to tell you that. He's discovered several zero-day exploits.

He's like 29 from Texas, a maniac. Who is this guy? His name is Dan Ehrlich. Hi, Dan. You found stuff in newspapers? Exploits breaking into them? No, we have found a um i mean we can talk about um cernovich site is that a name cernovich i don't know who he is i never knew who he was

till we started looking at his website uh these people don't really i don't get on my radar because it's just i have no interest in what they're talking about but um you know we have a report here that talks about you know maga 3x yeah what is it amplification a hashtag movement is what it could simply be like hashtag maga 3x but we have you know there's pretty good evidence that it was used to arrange real life flash mobs um and attract certainly attract american sympathizers online who would agree to spread memes and conspiracy theorists and stuff like that and the reason we know that is because jeff duccia are you familiar with Jeff Ducey? No. He wrote a kind of treatise on meme war,

memetic warfare. And people don't, I don't think a lot of people understand that memes and memetics are like genes and genetics. A meme is a Right, right, right.

Unit of cultural, it's a unit of cultural currency, if you will. So I know about MAGA3X. Sure. It was literally Cernovich posting on Twitter. It was something like

for every Trump supporter, get three of your friends and go out and do stuff. I think that's how it started. But whatever it turned into was a lot bigger than that. What was it? Okay. You got the report on the spot there, Rocco. I mean, look, there's... And what is this from?

Well, this is from Mike's DMs, right? So these very clearly spell out a conversation with uh what's his name baked uh giannette i don't know his real name giannette something like that i really don't know these people so these i have no horse in this game i've tweeted i mean like hey i want to talk but um you know this is like basically him and baked alaska having a falling out over just looks like a right after or right before the deplorable. So I think,

um, and you know, and he, he actually, you know, this, this thing baked Alaska makes, it says,

you know, um, I don't know if you can see that or the camera, the memes he was posting. It's a meme. It's a meme though. I mean like, yeah.

So that, that, so that dude started getting more and more white nationalist, which resulted in him getting banned from social media. Right. And then he got booted from a bunch of events for posting these things. Yeah, it seems as such. But I also know that around that time,

various soup packs and super packs were formed. One of them, which was retroactively formed. And also this talk of this amplification network and what we would assume is a botnet started to talk started to form and we have very clear evidence that that was happening let's we i know we probably glossed over a lot of like too much stuff already sure but just explain what a botnet is well a botnet is and it's a very uh it can be a misnomer um because it's shorthand for sort of any amplification that's fraudulent or happens. And it doesn't even have to be legal. So fraudulent would mean anything from, hey, 20% or 30% of my traffic is boosted through paid clicks or paid advertising.

It could mean I have malware in my machine that infects your machine and creates a ghost browser that, you know, can push 3,000 redirects in 10 seconds across the internet while your computer is asleep. Basically, it's a network of robots. It's a network of robots. You take over everyone's computer. And it's gotten so good that AI, based off of documents, and this is something that you can see on mic servers, right, is placed into a bunch of document bins, and the AI will do everything from tweet to do Facebook to who knows really.

That's beyond my technical level. But Dan and I, we were putting together a massive report on this that will be transparent. We've already given the IPs over to a lot of people. We've even found some- So what is it? It's- Like what's the bottom line? It's a amplification network that makes stories that are that are that are

disingenuous and outright incorrect stuff like the seth rich story it propagates that in a way that gets inside people's heads everyone knows that memes do that and it's not a meme in the sense of a visual thing it's an actual cultural idea that becomes permanent it also commits fraud that monetizes this disingenuous action and and it undermines U.S. security interest. So you have a report saying that the intention is to— No, I am reporting and parallel reconstructing various sources that I have that are exclusive and corroborating it. And that's what we're doing. I think part two of our report—a lot of this centers around a Chinese national named Guo Wengui, but we're not going to get into that unless you want to.

But that stuff's bonkers. We would have to sit here for four hours, which I would. So the bottom line, what is it? There's American interests that have created. It's a national security issue. And it's not just American interests. And it's a foreign relations issue. And it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But what is it like? What's happening you are undermining u.s security interest by by one defunding legitimate journalism like that's just from a professional standpoint but we can put that aside to doing stuff like having spoof certificates on your website that can backdoor into what appear to be uh government servers that's at least from what i understand and what i'm looking at and i'm not going to be specific about whose server that is on, but he knows who it is. And you'd agree that it's undermining national security interests if someone could do that, right? Do what?

False exalting? They could backdoor into government servers. Of course. Okay. And three, it's disingenuous. Stuff like McMaster's leaks and that kind of stuff is faulty and disingenuous. I guess what I mean is you're saying that there are international interests that have created an AI that can boost fake news, like disinformation? No, I would say there's a blend of, okay, it's hypothetical, but let's say that I'm a country like...

People forget that it's not Russia or China or this... Ever heard of a red hat hacker? Yeah. I'm banned from China because I tried to of a red hat hacker yeah i'm banned from china because i tried to report on red hat hackers back in 2013 so explain for people who don't know so people know what a black and white hat hack no they well they don't they don't they know what they know they know like the garth brooks saw i know i was i don't know who wrote it good guys always wear white or whatever you know like a black hat and a white hat cowboy you know that

right so like a red hat is it really is a reference to communism because it's uh it came out of a chinese sort of china didn't have the internet at the same time the u.s did and when they did they got it um it was actually run through hong kong servers the internet exchange there right only recently has mainland China gotten servers. And those servers, you know, there's people before the great Chinese firewall, which is how China's internet is censored, right? Stuff like Tiananmen Square, you can't watch it, right? It's supposed to be removed. All references are supposed to be removed. So the redhead hackers are people that are security analysts, quote unquote, that get to basically have free access to the Internet in exchange for their services, which would be anything that's in line with the Chinese government's interest.

And I interviewed several of these folks because it was right after Snowden. I had a great time talking to them because we really spoke on the same wavelength. I'm like, you're not even loyal to the Chinese government. You're loyal to the Internet. And they're like, yes, you get it. You get it, right? It's true. But if you're in China and you want full access to the Internet, you're going to the internet and they're like yes you get it you get it right it's true but if you're in china and you want full access to the internet you're going to have to do that right so the redhead hackers will always act in the interest of the nation state that they're from but at the end of the day they're just hackers and hacker culture comes

from the united states they're like pirates yeah like how pirates used to be so exactly and in exchange for their services they basically had immunity right so if they can commit cyber crime on the side it's a great way to plausibly deny influence from foreign actors like if i give you a bunch of malware and say i'm gonna put on your servers tim right or whatever and that amplifies your message it it helps me because it's on your servers you're even if i'm maintaining the databases that it connects to and using those databases to sell it to all sorts of various actors, both legitimate and illegitimate, it's a great way for me to walk away from it and say, oh, I didn't have anything to do with that. That was all Tim, right? Right. Yeah.

It's how they did. It's how the pirates operated in the colonial eras, I guess it wasn't just one time, but they would give privateers, private warships, letters of mark, go do your thing, help us, and then we'll disavow all knowledge. But you know, you're free to loot and pillage our enemies. So then you essentially have these hacker groups that the government can go, Oh, no, oh, they're criminals. Oh, heavens, we didn't sanction these hackers, but they're doing things that help their nation state. Right. Yeah.

And the U.S. is more reluctant to do that because, you know, in some ways it's an exploit against our freedom of speech and the boundaries of the law in the U.S. for a free nation. So are you saying that China was interfering in the U.S. elections? I'm saying that they've been long interfering along with many other actors that operate both in sync with nation state interest as well as in their own interest. And that's a pretty easy thing to understand. And I think you also got to look outside of the election because it's not just the election. This has been stuff that's going on beyond just decision making at the highest ends of the government. So like what's what's going on? Well, let's get into the meat and potatoes.

Is this up? Okay. Well, people are being compromised at all levels of the government and also in private sectors and i think compromise how like what does that mean well whether you want to call them assets uh spies you know for china not just china but yeah sure we'll say that no no no no but for like international uh interests you know yeah because there are other countries that have a line mutually aligned interests and will work together or they'll just work on their own right right and i'll say china specifically has a very robust uh ministry of state security that spends billions of dollars on compromising americans and they've done a lot of that already do you guys know about how they were going after these university professors and what

was it, the thousand? Is that related to it? Yes. Really? There's a list. There's a list of spies and lists that have been used against databases. Guo was a person that was very interested in this, we'll say. And people like Michael Waller were very, or at least duped or wittingly, unwittingly,

the deposition isn't clear because pages are missing they used databases that were pre-existing so if i have a facebook database and i have a healthcare database and i know the spy names of 25 spies right and i use enough interrelated databases just to kind of compare these things i might be able to out who they are based off interrelated characterizations and and psychographic data points right but that's not definitive that's like well it is definitive when you find out that obama or somebody had 15 of them on a uh didn't diane feinstein have somebody it butts up against security issues and you find that out very

quickly you know we had how many professors were taking money from china there's 100 at harvard at least according to the list right now you're saying there's a hundred at Harvard at least, according to the list. Right now, you're saying there's a hundred? It says something like that. I don't know if the list we have are real or fake. We're verifying. That could be dangerously irresponsible. No, I said it. We don't know. We know that the list being used to blackmail people has that on there,

which is what's important. In other words, we don't know if what we're looking at is both real and fake or mixed in between, but all three of those scenarios are very troubling that we have to figure out. Should I have called security before you guys came on to report this kind of stuff? Well, the FBI called us the other day, actually. Really? Unsolicited.

Really? Yeah. Well, I heard they also called someone else you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he committed voter fraud. No, no, no, no, no. I thought he might. I don't know if I can talk about it.

I don't know if Adam's talked about it yet. But he a bit i don't know i just saw someone sent me the tweet nothing to do with fraud right well ours was we got a very pleasant i got a voicemail from somebody i'm not going to say the name out of the blue and the voicemail was i thought it was a prank hey uh this is the los angeles bureau the fbi i've never talked to that but it was never called me uh or you know once advice when we unmasked the uh syrian electronic armies like oh i remember that they came to the office i talked to the talk to the cto get out of here like i don't want to talk like and so like they call and they were like hey we're a big fan of your work like i'm like uh-huh uh or they didn't say that they said we heard you have a tip they said that later when i called them back we heard you have a tip

uh we got a tip that you have a tip that you said that later when I called them back. We heard you have a tip. We got a tip that you have a tip that you want to tell us. That was what they left a message on. I could play it for you, but I don't want to. I heard from my guy that you got something to say. Yeah, I'm like, this is not real. And so I called a lawyer, I know. And they were like, you need to call the switchboard because we've had some issues with this.

Find out if they're real, verify the number, and then let us know. And so I did that. Turns out they were real, and they work in the cybercrimes division. I said, I don't have any tips for you. I appreciate your kind words. Just watch our videos, and that'll be your tip. Yeah. So then I found out later that they were actually – well, we'll get into that another time.

Yeah. Okay, okay. Earlier this year, Mike Pompeo said that we have been infiltrated at all levels by the Chinese. He's right. And it's been like that for a while. Yeah, that's another thing. Wait, wait, wait. I assumed you guys would say something like, yeah. You're just saying like, oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah, of course. I'm sorry. We've been looking at this for months now, so I guess I'm a little desensitized to it. I'm like, wait, wait, hold on. You have a list of compromised individuals by— That's insane, you guys. No, no, we don't have it. We're not saying that.

We have the list that Guo tried to, or he did scrape. Well, we have a list that's been scraped. And there's, I know a lot about what Guo was looking for just because I've read like thousands of pages of depositions and court documents at this point. And I know specifically he was looking for, he was looking for specific people and 15 of those people had basically, uh, their records are, it's illegal to look up their records because they are people who are either being investigated or are cooperating with the government right now.

So he was trying to find who the, the, the compromise people were. Well, no, no, no, no,

no, he was trying to find, I wouldn't say they're necessarily compromised. These 15 people are records protected basically. So whether those are, you know, a lot of people allege that he's a dissident hunter and a lot of people say he's outing chinese spies within the u.s so it's sort of this question is like are these you know is he actually looking for people who are cooperating with the government or is he looking for people who are chinese spies? So that's the really big question that we've been investigating. And we ended up with a list that we're working off of very slowly.

You have names? We're not going to name any names. Oh, man. You're smarter than that. You want to be careful of what you ask for. Yeah, yeah. Really. I'm excited.

But, yeah, so we're going to be coming out with a lot more just in the process of this reporting. And is the next video up yet? Yeah, so we just uploaded episode two of Scanner Investigates. So, yeah, continue, sorry. And this one specifically, some of the investigating we've done around Elliot Broidy, and there's still more that we're doing with that. But specifically, we went looking into some of the documents, one of which was a draft, basically a calculation of MRAP parts, armored vehicles. We talked a little bit about this earlier, but basically we went to Colorado to visit an office that used to make these

kinds of deals to authenticate a certain document, which they did for us. So people can go watch it and get a kind of bigger picture. It's a very small part of the story that we're going to be continuing to report on. But yeah, I've set two's up now. This spans administrations, you're saying? It appears from some of the documents that we have. It appears to start in 2015 interesting so whether it involves obama directly we can't say for sure because that

he's not mentioned in in the 2015 it's a bit this is this is difficult to piece together i think you guys have been like staring at everything why don't we read the top letter off that pile of documents sure Sure. Can we read that? Yeah, give us the elevator pitch. So this is literally what's on top, the first page on a packet of documents that we got that we can only assume were used to leverage something somebody wanted, because it's like what you would give to someone to be like, you're effed, right? You're effed, and you better do what I say, because I got you on this. So if you come after me...

So it's damning information used to blackmail somebody. You're effed and you better do what I say because I got you on this. So if you come after me. So it's damning information used to blackmail somebody. Well, but it's all from what we believe to be evidence servers. So you do the math. Evidence servers, like government servers. Yeah. Whoa. Somebody broke into government servers.

Or someone wiped them and made copies and gave it. What? And they're publicly available, which is, you'll see why that's important. Oh, yeah. They're publicly available. You just got to know where to look. Yeah. And we figured that out. So what's what's the so like who's trying to do what what's that we don't know that's what we're trying to do you want me to read the top letter

yeah let's read that yeah do it okay we do read this in our first episode and then we referred back to it in our second episode but um i'll just i'll just read it real quick and this is an email from elliot broidy to elliot broidy which you know and and who is he? Elliot Broidy is the, what was his title again? The former finance co-chair of the RNC. Republican National Convention. And Michael Cohen was as well, and he got indicted way back. Whoever knows that. And so was Steve Wynn, and he got in some troubles with the ladies, the massages.

All right. You might remember. Of course. So they all. And then Elliot Broidy. Broidy also has an open source intelligence company called Sersinus, which has gotten ordered contracts from the government before. So this is, it's, you know, have you ever sent an email to yourself just like of information

media? So this is an email to himself. And one of several drafts that over the next couple of years, there's different iterations of. So it says, FYI, I'm closing an open source intelligence center installation in an Asian country. The focus will be improving counterterrorism efforts against ISIS. The country involved has good relations with China and the U.S. and offered a lucrative opportunity. China wants to extradite from the U.S. Guo Wengui, who is very critical of President Xi Jinping

and now living as a fugitive in New York City. Guo defrauded many investors, including Abu Dhabi, for $3 billion. With elections coming up with China this fall, the Chinese want him to be kept quiet. I believe a negotiation can take place, which includes Abu Dhabi receiving its $3 billion back and Abu Dhabi extraditing Guo from the U.S. to Abu Dhabi. Later, Abu Dhabi would allow extradition to China. I was told China would pay us, and if the facts are indeed correct, I assume Abu Dhabi would allow extradition to china i was told china would pay us and if the facts are indeed correct i assume abu dhabi would feel obliged to pay a fee as well please check facts on your end thank you and then this next part says this information is strictly for you and mbz only

you know who mbz is who's mbz okay well you should look him up what'd you say MBZ yeah so MBZ I want to get his his title correct but he's

he's a very he's a really prominent political figure and he's Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahat yeah

I didn't want to butcher his name they call it I already did so Mohammed bin Zayed oh yeah which country is it? So he's crown prince of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi.

Interesting. UAE. Interesting, yeah. Wasn't he involved in the recent peace agreements with Trump and UAE and Israel? So this information is strictly for UNMBZ only. The Asian country involved is Malaysia. They are in dire need of closer relationship and cooperation with the U.S. I convey three important ways for Malaysia to cooperate and assist U.S.

One, cooperate closely on counterterrorism efforts against ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. Two, cooperate on North Korea, given their special long-term relationship. They can do much to help. And three, cooperate and act in a more balanced way with regard to China slash U.S. This is very real. Along with items one to three above, which I requested, this additional item was offered to me to sweeten the deal, the deal, open source intelligence center deal.

I am working on, which is $42 million per year, and already agreed to. As you know, they have big legal issues from their sovereign fund and 1MDB development fund, which we mentioned a little earlier. Malaysia recently settled Abu Dhabi for $1.2 billion in debt repayment. Malaysia is receiving assistance from China. In fact, they received assistance to pay the settlement with Abu Dhabi. Malaysia wants me to assist them, and they stressed China as additional deals for me.

I told them USA first, and I cannot and will not do defense or intel business with China. They told me to get involved on Guo, which is not sensitive to national security of U.S. But it is. The irony of that last statement. I would say it's a little bit. A little tiny bit. A little bit. So, yes.

So, what's the gist of this email? It is hard to follow. It's very simple. There is a crime caper, and it's more interesting any james bond movie you've ever seen it's you know people take guo took two sovereign wealth funds so think of it like two hedge funds of five billion or a piece these numbers aren't correct but think about it that way so simplify it slammed them together one of them was a 1mdb and well let's put it this way he slammed multiple funds together and the sparks that flew off all these people tried to get collect right and then to absolve themselves

of the crime because it was an international scandal after Trump came in they tried to approach various parties to get it dropped right and we have all the documents and the contracts between people like get what dropped like the criminal investigation criminal investigation on the US side of the 1MDB scandal because other international investigations were happening already. Wolf of Wall Street. Remember Wolf of Wall Street? Leo DiCaprio kind of got caught up with it.

That was the only headline in America, is like America cares about, right? It's the movies. And J-Lo Tech was an executive producer on that film, was well-known and loved throughout Hollywood. He was on the hot seat. So he hired actually brody's wife robin brody who's an entertainment attorney we have all the contracts right 75 million she was

promised plus a five uh i don't know what the retainer was but a fixed retainer if they could get it dropped within or get the matter resolved and the matter was the wolf of wall street so you got to do the math there um and that's all it said. And it was like an eight-page contract, $75 million if it was dropped within half a year, and then $50 if it was a year plus the retainer. I mean, these are small numbers, obviously. JL Tech was one of the supposed alleged architects behind this and hasn't come back to the States in a while.

He's supposedly living in China. The architect of the deal where they slam the things together well he took he took a lot of the money from the one mdb fund and spent it on things like a yacht and jewelry and you know his girlfriend at the time who was like some hollywood uh model or model yeah she was a model um uh she had to return something like six or eight billion dollars or a million dollars. No, not a billion. Yeah, I'm sorry, a million dollars worth of jewelry.

I was like, whoa. Yeah, yeah. A lot of jewelry. Amazing. I'm used to bigger numbers with this stuff. So where does this all go? Well, it's really simple. It's like when you're getting emails trying to convince you to play golf or get the president to play golf with the prime minister of Malaysia,

who's under investigation for manhandling this deal. I mean mean he was the guy in charge of the sovereign wealth funds buck stops with him you know and his stepson is the guy for red granite pictures that greenlit wolf of wall street you're in a situation where you're then i mean it looks like quid pro quo arrangements and you're close enough to the president to influence that, and they're doing money through your business. What would you call that? Whoa, interesting. Business, like usual? Maybe, yeah.

I'm not the one to determine that. The law, law and order, right? Law is the place to determine that. So what do you think is going to happen? I think there are several ongoing depositions and inquiries that people don't know about, that one has looked at well that all of this has been a distraction bullshit what has been a distraction sorry i crossed um i figure if the president's and say it on live tv you can say it on youtube no youtube's brutal man so uh no i'll continue well i'm just saying i don't know what's going to happen but i know several people who are currently under investigation and who are talking

and or they're witnesses and they're talking off the record and that this will all come to a head soon and it happened a long time ago you know what's what's are you talking about compromised people in the u.s i don't know it's ongoing investigation uh i don't want to speculate based of i don't want to get killed probably you know so but but this when you when you mentioned their people like you said 100 people at harvard i mean that's what the list says we don't know if that's a sure sure it's being manipulated you know is this like his but there was people that you asked about harvard because somebody was sent back from from harvard i think there was two people at two more than one and actually they were associated with something interesting do you guys know about that maybe we

shouldn't get into that the chinese program yeah the thousand whatever it's called what's it called that's what that's well known like the thousand talents program yeah thousand talents yeah well yeah there's more to it but there's a little bit more to it neural net and a lot of that what is this what is this go go look at what harvard's working on with bio engineering so check it out i know that earlier in the year mike pompeo said we've been infiltrated by the chinese at every level yep every level and then we've had repeated investigations into university professors who uh were double dipping china was paying them while they were also getting grants from the u.s which is illegal call it spying or whatever it's compromised you're right

right right yeah yeah you're compromised is this the worst thing about it? That we have people in the U.S. that have like – there's leverage against them from foreign interests. Is that it? I mean the scale is probably the worst thing. I think the scale is absolutely the worst thing. The scale meaning? Like the Chinese can print infinite money and they got a lot of people. Yep. So that's it.

This is true. So they can keep compromising people or what? So you can have 55,000 spies in the U.S., and that's nothing. And how many spies do we have in China? Not as many. Right. You got to figure. So we're compromised from the top down?

Yeah. Interesting. Is that the gist of it? I've been told, and I obviously can't confirm this, that our GIS system is compromised. What is GIS? It's a global positioning system, basically. But it's not GPS. It's how you keep the map from changing, we'll say.

I'm pretty sure everything you're saying, first of all, I will be completely honest, it's hard to follow. Yeah. Of course it is. There's a purpose for it. I mean, yeah, we are really close to it and we've been looking at it for a really long time now. So that's why we're trying to do our best to like break it down into bite-sized videos

and starting with very specific people and then hopefully... And we just we just told you won't be dead before you get to the final and we just told you that the um and you'll see in our second part it doesn't get into all this all we do in our second part is prove the documents or at least the the narrowly defined documents we're looking at in that video are real by going to a vendor and they're like yeah we don't know how they got a hold of that that's not that's we didn't give it to them which is weird so the the challenge is with stories like this there are so many pieces that need to be broken down individually before you can fully understand well other outlets are corroborating our reporting so like for instance we didn't know what a sovereign wealth fund i believe yes we didn't know what that is well you're an idiot if you don't know

what that is because oh really yeah because government – You guys should be talking about this every day because it's the upper echelons of the government ripping off its people. All right. At the highest level. Interesting. That's why those smart people make money and people get in the streets and fight about BS when they should be looking at their own government. I will say there's a lot of distractions being put out into the media right now. And, you know, it's not, you know, people are eating it up. And it does take people's attention away from this stuff.

Bread and circuses? Yeah, possibly. And they amplify, the bad actors amplify these simplified dog-do messages. You know, it's like America can't seem to understand anything beyond red versus blue or this team versus that team. They got to have two and if there's more than two options they get really confused and it's that's the media's very true so that's what we're trying to change is that things are complicated and if you don't care fine go watch the kardashians oh wait you can't because there's a pandemic and nothing's on tv

we don't we don't we we have journalism in this country has been whittled down to a dry burnt husk yeah rotting in the corner. So much so that we've been accused of being intelligence agents by Steptoe, which is Broidy's very high-priced law firm and also Jeffrey Epstein's law firm. Do you want me to read that letter? It's pretty funny. What, they called you spies? On election day. Oh, we got an election day surprise.

Saucy. Interesting. Well, they're called agents. Agents? Agents. Accusing you of being government agents? How did you not get this email? It was addressed to your scanner account. Tim, it has you on it. Oh, they're called agents. Agents? Agents. Accusing you of being government agents? How did you not get this email? It was addressed to your scanner account.

Tim, it has you on it. Oh, you do know. It's actually addressed to you. It says, Dear Mr. Poole. Are you saying I'm being accused of being a spy? Well, no, no, no. You're not. You're not.

No. They thought they could reason with you, but obviously you didn't. I don't have anything to do with the editorial work of Scanner. You don't. Keep saying that. Yeah, keep saying that. It's true. I have no idea.

But seriously, you need to make that really clear to these people. That's why I'm like, wow, you guys got an email and you're like, it's to you. I'm like, I don't know anything about it. They sent two. This was the one after I asked them,

first they sent me an email saying to you actually, but me CC, L-A-C-C. And we did not obviously CC you on the email. We just sent it out from our scanner account. So they created a new chain.

That one basically said, you are working with stolen documents from the Qatari government. I don't even know what they're talking about. They said, yeah, I mean, I have it up, but it basically, they accused us of working with Qatari-backed hackers. Let's see, okay.

Is that it? Hang on, it says... Oh, that's a very long letter. Oh, it is a long letter, but I'll cut to the chase. As a result, we have reasons to suspect you are in direct contact and receiving stolen and potentially doctored materials from individuals directly involved with the Qatari-sponsored hackers. As an example of the pair relying on these sources, the suggestion that any sales were

made to Nigeria, as you suggest your questions, is false. So people should go watch the video and see what we're actually... Is he talking about me? No. No, he's saying that we... I mean, I don't know. Were you working with Atari actors? No.

He said it was addressed to me. I'm like, what? It is addressed to you, but... I don't know why. That's the thing. I think they're trying to get you to kill the story. Yeah, they're trying to get you to kill the story. Oh, he's not going to.

I'll give the story more money if you try and do that. Anyway, so this is verifiably untrue, the fact that we're in direct contact with Atari-sponsored hackers. It has nothing to do with it. It sounds pretty cool. We can get our things without hackers. Yeah, we don't need hackers. That's the thing.

We're learning a lot of new skills, by the way. That's exciting. I think that's why they think we're intelligence. We learned to code. Did you know? I'll tell you, this is a big problem probably for international elites dealing with gutter crust like me from the south side of Chicago. Gutter crust? I don't know what you're talking about, dude. You can't email me and send me these things thinking that I'm going to do anything about what you guys are doing.

Well, you won't even. Sorry. You won't even see it. Well, I know they sent the emails and i just immediately just click it and close it and i'm like i don't care i'm not gonna read it you hear that steptoe don't waste your time don't waste your time on tim man because i didn't even know what you guys were working on i'm just like oh oh those crazy kids getting accused of being spies again oh yeah you want to read that part

of the oh yeah so this was our election day by the way this was the election day letter that was the first i was the first one hey how you doing i was eating cake on election day we were sending well the day before we sent very specific because they told us we were vague i said i just want to talk to you about nigeria i didn't email steptoe i emailed broidy and his wife and i had already tweeted at them documents i'm like are these real these fake please help and no response i get a response from steptoe emily read from it she cc'd then we get this response dear mr pool this i don't know how they keep doing this and this time they took emily off which she was not happy about but she told them she wasn't happy but the firm represents elliot this firm represents elliot brody which we know which which your agents have

disclosed is the subject of a quote a quote story being prepared for publication on your YouTube channel. Your agent, which is me, proposes to make outlandish accusations unsupported by fact or law. Outlandish. We were. And if you read the indictment, that summary of what happened with Brody, it's to a T what we were already looking at. It's crazy.

We write again today to demand that you cease and dismiss, assist your unlawful harassment of and threatening behavior toward Mr. Broidy, his public relations agent Nathan Miller, and his associates. Your employees and agents have employed intimidating and unlawful tactics in what you purport to be a reporting operation, including the illegal taping of conversations

with Mr. Miller and use of hacked materials in illegally taped conversations that you propose to disclose with untruthful commentary. This conduct makes you clear that you are not a legitimate media organization, but rather agents for hire masquerading as media. Oh, agents for hire. That's not as cool. It's not.

No. It's mercenary. We will be contacting YouTube to seek removal of any content about Mr. Brody produced by your organization. Oh, interesting. This might get removed. Let's see yeah um to begin your ostensible editor reporter rocco castoro expressed surprise that his calls and emails to me and my law firm are returned by nathan miller even though in your signature you've got a number in an email and i have no i've already emailed mr brody about the questions i didn't hear back from anyone

i'm so you know i'm recording why is he why is he emailing like what is it what i don't know because he told us in the first email that we had documents that have not been reported on or that no other reporter has been in possession of. What sounds like the most pressing thing is that there are compromised people all over the U.S. Yes. And like what levels of government and industries? Hollywood, government, media. Public, private sector. I mean, it makes sense.

But like who are they? So I'll put it this it this way i've had about 10 individuals some of them very high powered uh since i've left vice do things that were very very inexplicable and you know i've been called a conspiracy theorist all my life well i get to maybe perhaps prove that some of these individuals um were doing things that were very weird and i have documentation over the years and imagine someone like me having proof that you tried to do something tricky with me. So you guys know about the accusations against Epstein, like what he was doing with the island. Basically filming people and then being like, guess what? And then all of a sudden they started buying them.

That's not the new, yeah. Right, right, right. Is this something similar? Like you got a bunch of really wealthy, powerful people and people in the industry? No, it's more like you took dirty money and we didn't tell you. It's the same in that like – Interesting. Epstein could film you with just a girl that looked underage and leverage that against you or he could procure – it goes all – you're radioactive at that point.

Yeah, for sure. So what does that mean for this country? It's very scary and it's something people need to start talking about and figuring out amongst themselves. If there's anything we can unite over, it's like foreign influence should not be anywhere near us in this regard. And the scale is so big, it's too big to fail. Does it impact our elections? Yes, for certain. I don't think it impacts voting machines.

And I don't think it results in what you it's very carefully crafted because, again, it's not in the U.S. has done studies on this that no one, including the media, talks about about you. Sorry, Chinese Russia relations for cybercrime, which makes sense. Why wouldn't they collaborate on cyber? Right. Makes no like why wouldn't they? So people need to start looking at through an international lens versus a domestic lens. So what you're saying is that Russia interfered? I'm just kidding.

No, no, no. So to what degree does it affect the elections? Is it direct? Is it indirect? Are they like... Mind crimes is the best way to put it. Mind crimes? Yeah, I don't have a word for it.

Like what is that? Like Orwellian, right? No, but like what are they doing? You have to realize like they've been playing a long, long, long game. And it's not something they're just going to swoop in like before the election or even be like, oh, we're going to, you know... Another thing I keep seeing is like, oh, well, these machines use Chinese parts. And it's like, you're looking in the wrong direction.

Do you know what a sea turtle attack is? Have you heard of this? No. It's when I put something on your server. It could be an Amazon server. So a legitimate server that then the server is tricked into thinking is legitimate. Okay. So it could be a certificate that I put on some site I use to host fake news, incendiary content, right?

That you click on from Facebook and then it launches a back-end JavaScript application or something like that that infects your machine with something and that could do whatever, right? Think about that. That's not political. Well, that's chaotic. The point of that is to cause chaos, to undermine the institutions like the free press in America, which is the only place that you can actually check these things in the way that we can. And I get sued. Even in England, you get sued for this. I feel like our institutions kind of undermine themselves, man. They do.

They do. Sure. And is it because of a long game, a long con manipulating? Think about it this way. Countries that have no repercussions for, you know, if I went and tried to hack a bunch of servers in an allied country, I'd probably go to jail. Right. If someone goes and does that in Russia to the U.S., they, like, have a party. It's funny. And I don't blame them.

I'm like, cool. Like, I get it. That was a Sea and Electronic Army stuff that we had covered way back when. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's the same stuff but it happens here it's been happening from people that are thirsty people that want clout and that aren't legitimate in their enterprise and what i

mean by that is you know i don't want to point anybody out right now but like um there's just a lot of disingenuous people masquerading as journalists and hiding behind shield walls. I'll put it that way. Interesting. Yeah. And it's really sad. And it's so crazy because it's like someone that you might have a gut feeling is doing

that. The minute you start scraping their servers and stuff, you're like, oh my God, it's so much worse than I thought. Yeah. What are we, we've been, we've been working on Maltego, which is a cool program. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're, uh, it's not just Maltego, which is a cool program. Yeah, yeah.

No, we're... It's not just Maltego, but we're using a lot of tools. What is that? Maltego is actually like... You can plug in... We've mostly been using it to look at name servers, domains, and all of the things. It's an investigative tool. Yeah.

It's an investigative tool. And you can pretty much run transforms on these entities in order to expand their connections and dig deeper into those things. So, you know, I don't know if you have an example you want to use, but... I mean, so you can type in a URL, and it will literally kind of mine every... There's all these plugins you can use. It's kind of like Pro Tools. You've used Pro Tools or something like that where but i can put in malware pro um plugins i and they're all it's expensive you have to actually get a license you have to give them your id they don't want bad

actors using this because you can use these tools to to kind of create networks that are like cyber criminal networks and actually once we started working with 12 security we got introduced to some other uh signals intelligence former operatives but you know they run their own businesses now at Australia like five eyes people and one of them said to us we believe that you found the largest cyber syndicate of criminals in history and we're like whatever dude and like we're just like blowing through it but now I would have to say we have definitely found we found URLs that are in Cyrillic, which should not happen.

And in Chinese. And Mandarin, which should not happen. It shouldn't happen at all? What do you mean? No, it's not supposed to. It's corrupted. It's weird. I mean, we'll get to that in one of our episodes eventually.

Like URLs can't have. We found URLs that are like Obama is the n-word dot gov. What? Dot gov? Dot gov. What? Dot gov? Dot gov. What? The dot gov domain, and they've already, the Pentagon announced this after we found it. Really?

Yeah. What? James Comey for prison dot gov. It's all hyphenated. So the minute, I don't know what happened. But dot govs are? We don't know what happened. So to clarify, but for those that don't understand, dot govs, you can't get those.

No, you can't just get a dot gov. Yeah, so somebody. Someone's compromised it okay and it happened right after not but not before the inauguration but after the election we're talking day there's even what's his name wait wait 2016 2020 election 2016 are you talking about the meme dankula dunkula thank you yeah you know the traps are gay yeah yeah yeah there's one of the.gov. I'm sorry, not.gov. No way. What? Did he do it? What's going on? No, of course he didn't do it. How could he possibly do that?

But wait, wait, someone made that.gov? He's not even American. Yeah. Wow. You can look it up. They've probably taken him down by now. Insane. On our Twitter, we have a screenshot.

Yeah, I was looking for this shot. When did this happen? This happened in 2016? Yes. 2015. 2015. Wow. End of 2015.

Wow. If you look at the dates, when they were created it was within the transition period so right kind of like right now of the election interesting it was fundamentally our system well that so that's 2017 the transition period hold on no i'm gonna pull it out real quick so i can get this right yes you're right 26 i'm getting this wrong hold on 2016 and during the transition period so like december november it was like what was the what was election day 2016 what was it day 29th so it was like the 10th and the 11th today four years ago and then more down the road but they're the weirdest things and they're all hyphenated we've

heard that if those hyphens in your domain that means it's a basically you know honeypot domain Chinese domain some of them which is kind of true not really true I gotta say man it's crazy it's it's well it's hard to piece together Not domain. Chinese domain. Some of them. Which is kind of true. Not really true. I got to say, man. This is crazy. Well, it's hard to piece together. I would say the biggest thing I've taken so far, which I've said, is that they're compromised individuals. Yes. But then hearing that governments are compromised and people are on the take and there's some Chinese billionaire.

That's what the documents say. I feel kind of like I'm looking at Charlie Day with this Pepe Silvio thing and I'm like, what is this? So I think people need to, you know, a lot of people. If we got someone arrested, would you believe us? Well, I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying you've got you've just told me like. I mean, our reporting got someone arrested. Yeah, exactly.

You already did. No, I'm saying if we did. Well, the point I'm making is if you came to me and said we found a network of compromised individuals, this list of potential individuals who are compromised, I'd be like, wow, who's doing it? You say it's not necessarily China, but it's... There's deposition that shows people like... Emily needs a little bit more about that. Oh, yeah.

Which deposition? Waller. Okay. Yeah. No, you have to... It's not an easy thing to explain. I mean, you know Brittany Kaiser, right? Yes.

You used to live with Brittany. Yes. So she could explain this to you very easily because she understands data. And we think that people that were working for Cambridge and people that were working for other places like that, that's obviously continued. It's not going to go away. And we're not saying it's not related just to elections. It's related to behavioral stuff,ographics figuring people out and people like waller who were long time propagandist or at least they understand propaganda yeah and have participated in it yeah i mean he he pretty much admits to running helping run an amplification

so who's that jay michael waller is somebody that we actually interviewed on subverse in the early days he's a propaganda oh that's right yeah yeah of course propaganda expert explaining how it how it all works yes that was actually at um the hoaxed screening because that was a sort of event exactly that's really funny so you should keep that in mind well i don't know i don't know what you're saying about mike cernovich though no no i'm just saying like he's he he i believe he was you know he was in in hoaxed right uh waller was yeah i think so and so he he's admitted in deposition to feeding these amplification networks.

What are the amplification networks? Huh? Like, who's amplification networks? Well, so that's part of an investigation that we're doing. So, you tell me you got a bunch of... You want to see a picture of one? No, no, no. I need to understand what the elevator pitch is to what all this is.

Really simple. People that have largely associated with what so many call the alt-right have run a series of botnets to amplify false stories that are disingenuous. And possibly, I don't know, money, like monetization, clout. Who's directing it? I don't think anybody's directing it. I think there's malware as a platform, if you will, like malware os, if you will, that sits on these servers and does various things. And there's different ways you can kind of trim that or manipulate it. But there's certainly coordination. So I guess what I'm saying is the call's coming from inside the room. So you're saying there are personalities that have access to these amplification networks for clout and for clout and for wealth yes and how does that relate to china well if the tools that they were given to

do it come from china that's the edge of the law i don't know but you have to also remember there are multiple amplification networks some of them overlap and some of them have different sources as far as like who's feeding them who's running them who's paying them so not everyone is being paid. Some people are doing it just for clout, just for clicks, just for follows and stuff. Or because they want to support a president? Could be. Sure.

Yeah, but that's disingenuous. We're going to laugh at you and say you're not a real journalist. Sure. And hopefully someone's going to sue you. These are journalists? Yes, many of them are calling. Well, they seem to be in flux. It depends on what day of the week it is.

Yeah, exactly. There's hiding behind shield walls. That's my point. No one wants to prosecute a journalist because it's messy. Exactly. No kidding. So I'm trying to figure out what's breaking the law. We didn't say it was breaking the law.

We just said we're not lawyers, but we will roundly accuse them of being disingenuous and fraudulent and possibly... There's a class action suit that could happen with their followers. That's for sure. It's a civil law. Like they know they're lying and you know they know they're lying? We can prove it. Interesting.

And so are you saying Mike Cernovich straight up? No, we're not saying that. Oh, okay. We're saying there's interesting things happening on his backend on his site. On his website? We are tracing crypto from a variety of sources now, and we will be able to tell exactly where that came so how does that relate to compromised individuals at harvard or well you asked how the amplification networks right yeah no i mean not all of these things are directly connected they do have lots

of tangents that overlap data is how Data is how it connects. Who's using the data, who's collecting the data, what they're doing with the data, that overlaps in a lot of ways. And Guo Wengui seems to more and more connect to every bit of this. Like for instance, Bannon, when he left the administration, he visited the UAE, right? I've been told several different things. I've been told it was concerning Khashoggi. That was way before we know what happened. I've been told that it was to, in the documents, it talksashoggi that was way before we know what happened happened i've been told that uh it was to in the documents it talks about monies that was owed uh by malaysia to the ae that china was taken care of and but i know that he was summoned i know that he visited there

and i know that guo was brought up but in the context of more blackmail let's say regarding the royal court there that's at least what I've been told from the source. I'm trying to verify that. Obviously, these people don't want to talk to me, and that's how I know there's some real big things to talk about here. And we're getting threatened, you know? So, like, what's the problem? My point is, are they breaking the law?

Who cares? They always talk about how stupid and shitty the mainstream media is. Like, you know maybe maybe we should like we're trying to just tell the truth and report so that we're not doing it politically it just sounds like the way you're framing it everything's broken it is the internet's broken that's what timothy berners-lee has been saying for years that the dns the the underpinnings of the internet the way that a domain that's Timcast resolves to a server and then other URLs are on that server,

it's fundamentally broken. And it is. It sounds like everything's broken. The media's broken. Everything. Independent media. The politics is broken. Hollywood's broken.

Yeah. Hollywood. So we have an idea of like instead of selling open source intelligence to foreign governments, we're going to raise money to make our own platform so we can have people subscribe like Netflix so Housewives in Minnesota can help solve international relations

schemes. Interesting. How? True crime's the number one genre. Oh, yeah. You're right. Right, so doing like a journalism show and reaching out for crowd support. That's kind of cool. We have editorial levels, so it's like Reddit, but there's some editorial oversight

then we obviously aren't reporting on anything that hasn't been vetted but we'll have raw data sets and they can help sort it out so you're mentioning all of these things i think like i mentioned you know not the fifth time the most the thing that sticks out the most is that there are people in this country who are compromised yes and how does that like it's a different story you're saying no it's the same story it's the same story but like you said it's so complicated you have to same story. It's the data. No, it's the same story. But like you said, it's so complicated. You have to break it down into smaller parts. And another thing is like I know we used to do like pretty much daily videos and that was basically a meat grinder. We shouldn't be doing that, which is why we're taking the time to go the investigative route and people, I hope, understand and appreciate that.

And it will be more regular. We went to Wyoming recently to investigate shell companies that are associated with some of these people. Yes. This, I think, requires like a written article, some kind of visualization. No, no, no. You'll see. Well, because I don't know who this – Guai? What's his name?

Guo Wengui. You've talked about him on your videos. Me? Yeah. I don't think so. In one of your videos, you used a Daily Mail article about him. Yeah. I think it briefly mentioned that he was like –

I know you didn't want us to talk about it. Wait, what? Well, that's what Libya said. No, not him. Libya said? Well, she said that... I'm sorry, I was thinking about that. No, it was Ian. Ian told me that you didn't want to talk about it. Talk about what? About what? No, I never said that. I'm so confused.

I've never heard Tim talk about that, ever. I've never told anybody. We're wrong. The only thing I've told people not to talk about is, I say, swear if you. I've never told anybody. We're wrong. The only thing I've told people not to talk about is I say swear if you want because YouTube deranks videos if you swear. I'm sorry that we did that.

That was a slip of the tongue. And the surprising thing is that YouTube actually allows racial slurs so long as they're in the context of an educational descriptor. Weird, right? But we don't want those either.

Nope. Other than that, you pull out documents talking about, you know, Mike Cernovich. I know the guy. Yeah. We should ask him.

Will you ask him? Yeah, I'll ask him. If you've got documents and you've got something to say, I'm not going to talk about it. We have checks that are from – well, I'm not going to – we'll talk about that in a second. And some of this is based off people that – I'm not saying it's definitive. I'm saying we have a lot of questions, and this is separate from us looking at the servers which i have a very very what i what a lot of concerns when i hear about like amplification networks that that's that sounds like occupy wall street occupy wall street oh yeah well tell i mean that's the thing is i think you know a lot about this stuff that you know i mean you know britney kaiser

you know these people like they all participate in this i mean they should be able to tell us exactly what went down i mean she's been leaking stuff left and right yeah yeah for those i don't know britney kaiser is the whistleblower from Cambridge Analytica. I don't know about that. What's up? I said the media's called her that, but I mean, you know.

Yeah. She's still working with certain people. Oh, yeah. I guess. No, for sure. What tangled lines, guys? You know for sure? I think so.

Other people know for sure. We have suspicions. Yeah. Other people know for sure. When I hearicions. Other people know for sure. When I hear about amplification networks, I'm kind of like, look, man, if it falls into the realm of free speech and you've got someone who's dumb spreading around dumb things, I don't know what I'm supposed to do about that. Well, can smart people then embarrass them publicly and troll them into complete embarrassment and take their money? John McAfee did tell me one thing that held up. You don't make money, you take money.

So if I take their money on freedom of speech and call them out, is that wrong? How do you take their money? What do you mean? I defund them. Like, you know, defund the police. We'll defund. I don't care about that. I'm going to defund the trolls.

I can out-troll them. I know I can. I'll prove it. Where does the money come from? Who's funding it? We're going to find out. We're finding out. Yeah.

What if it's from foreign actors? Then what? Then they've got to register depending on the extent to which they go to jail they should know you tell them to register as foreign agents and then it should they don't and they shouldn't they shouldn't be allowed like to to do what they're doing well look you've got you've got the bbc you've got sputnik you've got rt you've got al jazeera voice of america yeah yeah you've got all of these different media outlets putting out their perspective their propaganda their governments pay for it what's our perspective though

we don't like criminals like that's a good perspective to have I think so yeah right right right so I guess the issue is or disingenuous actors are you just going after people

because you think they put out no we're doing an investigation and we look at stuff and we're like whoa that's connected to that what that's connected to that why is that connected to that

yeah no it's all information that people should be aware of. And then sure, sure. It's leaking us tons of stuff is what happens, you know. So then what? Well, hopefully. Then you make a pizza pie. Yeah. Give people more information so they can be informed on what to believe and like where

to get their information. Like they shouldn't, you know, if people, people want to stay in an echo chamber, I guess that's their prerogative. They do. They do. But let them know that that's what they're doing. Some people don't know that's what they're doing. But why are you trying to tell your audience what they want? I think you're underestimating people.

No, I try to tell people all the time to make sure they watch other people. Sure. And I actually got – they yell at me because I only ever shout out leftist YouTubers. You've got to quit using Daily Mail, the way that's no I was I was you know I was they wanted me to the editor-in-chief at Daily Mail oh I used that to leverage Rolling Stone for an offer that I leveraged against Vice that's but I had no intention of working at Daily I mean they're literal launderers of filth and so I use newsguard which is a third party rating agency right so there's only a few exceptions i would use for what i would you know uh project red house is one of

them and they're not verified um but then basically unless it's a bit of like opinion commentary daily wire for instance they're not certified daily mail is and what ends up happening is if i pull up a story from the hill and then i pull up a story from fox and cnn all of that same context and sorted inside information is on the daily mail so what ends up happening is when i go through everything yeah i end up choosing what has the most comprehensive source they do they do aggregate i was talking about their original reporting i guess more than their aggregate stuff that makes sense i get that yeah i mean i'm just saying, though, at the same time, AP or Reuters or AFP, I don't see much bias in the reporting.

I guess there could be angles that are biased in individual reporters or individual reporters. It's tough. I know very few reporters left. When I read stuff all the time, you see- But because these bad actors are defunding journalism in a lot of ways. That's another problem I have professionally. Really? Yeah.

They're not defunding themselves? But how are they getting media defunded? No, defunded. Because they're committing ad fraud and click fraud. Right. Exactly. Ad fraud and click fraud could be – and it's based off incendiary content that a lot of times is not true or it's a disingenuous angle that has nothing to do you hit it the nail on the head you know if you're going to say i'm doing this for x y and z i'm doing this for julian assange or i'm doing this for this person but your real intention is to elect the president then i'm going to scrape your servers

call you a liar and roundly embarrass you in public because i think it's funny and that's my freedom of speech and people like to watch other people get embarrassed so i'll probably make some money off of it too yeah so what's my prerogative you know so what do you think all this goes um it sounds like you have more than one story we have about 20 yeah and we have several other media well i want to i want to see this this list of compromised people i'm sure you're not going to show that to anyone until we're confirmed right right right but i mean and that's a national security issue it is and we're you know if we have to be responsible with like what we're doing with

it and verifying it in fact that's who we go to to verify with what we're doing with it and verifying it. In fact, that's who we go to to verify it once. We're also reporters, and we can use sources. The Supreme Court's held it up. Because what if you go to the government with it? It's not the Pentagon Papers. You get somebody who's compromised. Yeah, exactly. That's a good question.

It sounds like everything's broken. You go to a— Everyone's lying. What you do is you create a situation where you go to a partner of the U.S., one of the five A's nations, and you make sure that of these things where it's a mixture of altered and real documents, which we are totally considering. That's why we're methodically going through each one. Because either way, it's a national security issue, right? We have to get to the bottom of it.

How do you know you're not useful idiots? Well, we know that this document in particular, because we went and visited a munition salesman and he said, I don't know where they got this document. I don't know. This is a former intelligence agent that is very well respected throughout the pentagon community and actually will screw his business up if it finds out that these people a middleman got it and put brokerage fees and then you know like do you really think that people should be like getting in the middle of arms sales no well i mean like uh often journalists will be used as a weapon

yeah so that's actually a really good point and i want to talk about that real quick because Well, I mean, like often journalists will be used as a weapon. Yeah. So that's actually a really good point. And I want to talk about that real quick, because Elliot Brody sent very similar legal threats back in 2018 to a number of outlets who were reporting on that we had that same stack of documents. Because it was like, I talked to an AP reporter who also worked on the story and received the same legal threats and said, yep, that was the same line, blah, blah, blah. And then he told me a little bit about what was in his documents. And I thought, wow, that's strange. We have nothing that talks about that in our stack. So yes, of a lot of other the accusation was made towards other outlets back in 2018 that they were receiving doctored materials and reporting off of those however uh they did their best to at least ap did their best to verify um a lot of those and

they reported based on what they could verify which i think is responsible and they were never sued and they were never sued all right all right well let me ask you guys something glenn greenwald quit from the intercept baby he co-founded it you say what he's a baby he's a baby quiet he cried why do you why why do you say that because you people get edited that's i was an editor-in-chief you get did you read what he wrote yeah i did he said that when they would write anti-trump stuff there would be no editing and no fact checking and when he tried to write about biden they would write anti-Trump stuff, there would be no editing and no fact checking. And when he tried to write about Biden, they would give him the full gauntlet. He's not – that's not the only weird thing he's done in a while.

Where are the Snowden archives? Why were they not maintained? For sure. What happened with Reality Winner? He could get to the bottom of that. What happened? I think the issue is he started the company and then he gave control. I tweeted at him and I said, I'm not going to read this until Reality Winner and Jeremy Hammond and other people are out of jail and they can fucking tell their side of the story. Right.

I don't care what he said because it's disingenuous. So what about Matt Taibbi? Matt Taibbi seems, I mean, I love the exiled. So you have these journalists who have quit saying that the media is corrupt. Yep. Protecting a political party. Well, there's certain, I mean, is everyone who does that going to be automatically a hero? Like, no, there's going to be people on both sides they're heroes i'm saying we've got the the it seems like

the entirety of the media functioning as a i shouldn't say entirety i'll be very specific we have a large portion of high profile individuals particularly at the new york times and other outlets that are in the bag for a political ideology i think people need to start looking at reporters as individuals absolutely 100 yes i i've been actually preaching that for a political ideology. I think people need to start looking at reporters as individuals. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Yes. I, I've been actually preaching that for a while just because you, I'll use Hong Kong as an example because,

um, SCMP, which takes a lot of money from, you know, Alibaba and, you know, China ties, of course.

So, uh, individual reporters who were working on the, who were covering the Hong Kong, uh, protests did amazing work. However, unfortunately, when their work came out the other end and was edited, it didn't always reflect what the reporters were doing. So you have to, I think, look at individual reporters, their work, and what their interests are, or if they get paid by certain foreign actors.

For sure, but like Barry Weiss quits the New York Times saying that it's basically become an ideological woke fest. We got more Slack leaks today from New York Mag that they're demanding of other employees, which side are you on? They said we're at the barricades of change or something. The people in these news organizations are literally trying to enact some kind of political agenda.

I'm not saying literally every single one, because I use this reporting all day as well. But you have to fight through. It's like you're walking through the weeds with a machete trying to figure out where the real news is. It's happening on both the right and the left. I mean, but the right doesn't have that kind of apparatus. You have to be responsible adults. That's what you have to be.

Too bad. Yeah, no, I think. The world's a complicated place. People need to get – So when Tom Cotton publishes an article about how the military needs to be activated and go in and take care of some of this rioting, and the news boardroom throws a freaking fit – I don't read opinion columns, so I don't know. That's not news. That's something that needs to be –

It's something that needs to be said. He has a right to say it. Sure. He can post it on his Twitter or whatever. I i mean who cares editorial just like facebook and twitter need to decide are you a platform or a publisher are you guys okay with the editorial room no no i'm not i'm not i don't but i don't care they're supposed to be being adults he's a powerful person he can find another outlet deal with it i've been rejected too it's for and i've had stories completely censored and i'm not complaining about it because i just do the story yeah what are we supposed to do right now when journalists are

just activists i don't know are you an activist oh definitely in a lot of ways then why do you call yourself a journalist because you can be both no you can't you can perform journalism you can't be a reporter and it's literally defined as advocacy journalism so i would consider myself as i always have in many aspects, information activist. What's your metric for success? Getting out the best understanding of what's going on. Okay. So back in the day with like Occupy Wall Street, before Occupy, my involvement was based on me being a part of

information activist hacker crews. So these people didn't consider themselves journalists, but news organizations called them journalists. They called themselves jokingly hacktivernalists as like a joke of mashing it all together. Information activism was let the transparency, give people the information, let them know and let the decentralized network of individuals decide. I don't agree with that. We have something very, very different in today's media where we actively have, and I've dealt with this surprisingly not at Vice for the most

part, but at Fusion, for instance. Lie. Lie to the public. ABC. Exactly. Tell the audience what they want to hear. We want to make money. There you go. Right? But now you have, here's what I see happening. News organizations dying have you noticed this it's really interesting that all these companies even social media companies were bleeding users losing money and then trump got elected and then all of a sudden twitter started gaining users and the media started

writing about him all day every day non-stop the most absurd stories stories about the alt-right started popping up and they started making more money. True. They found a way to milk revenue. Have you seen much field reporting in the past few years? Absolutely not. In the past year, you haven't seen any. None. And this is something

I coined the CNN challenge. I have two videos on my Instagram where you turn on Fox News when a news story breaks and then turn on cnn and guess what guess what fox news is talking about fox news is talking about watch lg zero and ignore both like that's my uh well you watch lg zero you get you get cutter's perspective well you do and but for everything that's not not cutter it's going to be at least there's some on the ground reporting no one's going to goma from fox or cnn okay and i'm

interested in that now do i have to then filter that through my own adult lens of being an adult person that has to discern they have agendas. Everyone might have an agenda. I have my own biases and things. Yes, you do. That's your responsibility. I'm not going to spoon feed you or else you're going to end up with a divided country. That's literally divided over like two or three issues. And they could not tell you what they want. You couldn couldn't they couldn't tell you the average person could not tell you what's going to make them happy i agree with that yeah but i think that's their fault that's not no one else's fault that's their fault they're adults and they need to to come to terms with that but you can probably guess my immediate uh uh bias is going to say

that's predominantly an element of the default liberal or the left i don't know i don't i don't look at the determined i don't look in the world in those terms i look at the world through an international relations lens there's a great book called uh the tragedy of great power politics it'll explain to you how the world works it's a neocon bible actually i'm not a neocon but it tells you uh particularly in regards to china and the big threat of the sleeping giant, as they call it, how international state, nation states, how self-interest, so what's good for me and what's good for my allies is what's going to motivate me, and the pursuit of hegemony, which is being the ultimate power of the world, bar none. That is what drives them. Now, that sounds a lot like what's going on with human beings right now.

And I don't think that's a tenable way. Maybe it is. I don't know. We'll find out. But certainly all this violence in the streets and the 49 states landslide, that didn't happen. And that's nonsense. Violence in the streets happened. They called the National Guard into Philly. It didn't happen like it happens in other countries where there's true election interference where people are getting shot at the polls.

And people said that was going to happen and didn't. Oh, yeah. Well, those people are nuts. So we've had 49 state landslides in the past. When? Like 1873 or something? 1988. What?

Or was it 84? 84, sorry. 88 was Bush. 84, there you go. 1984. Conspiracy. Oh, yeah, that's funny. It was 84.

It was the Reagan 49 state landslide. 1972 was Nixon. It happens when there's, you know, and it wasn't absolute unity. It was just the states had slightly more people who all agreed with Reagan or Nixon. Do you believe gerrymandering is an issue that affects elections? Absolutely. It's complicated, though.

So one of the big things we got from this election was that the Republicans took more House legislatures, which means come in 2021, they're going to control redistricting, which is going to reshape the House at the federal level. The thing about gerrymandering is that it's often only ever talked about in a negative light. Why is this district shaped this way? And definitely there's a power battle between the Democrats and the Republicans. There's also a concern that if you just did everything as blocks, you would end up with extreme minority

disrepresentation. Meaning, if you have, if you ever looked at the diagram for how they talk about gerrymandering, if you have five blocks, and each block has two yellow and three green, green controls everything. But that means 40% of your country has no representation at all. So with gerrymandering you create some voice for the minority because we're a republic it's not uh it's not so simple as to say how it should or shouldn't be done which plays into electoral college as well with what you're

you know right which is the electoral college in my opinion is extremely important but even trump wanted to abolish that the first term because trump's a politician they all they all say these things they all they all whenever it's whenever it's coming down to why they're going to lose they'll create a reason for it but he didn't lose the first exactly and then all of a sudden he's like oh well those are the rules hillary clinton played that played that played by the exact same rules she just didn't think she was going to lose the blue the blue wall she lost exactly yeah that's the democrats believed that they had the blue wall states in the bag and she didn't need to go there and she lost them by razor thin margins not have to think about any of that and just have a direct democracy?

No, absolutely not. Why not? Because I witnessed what happened in California when you don't have proportional representation based on natural resources. When in East Porterville, their well water was stripped away because San Diego and Los Angeles were able to vote away the water rights from smaller towns. I live in Los Angeles. It's lovely.

It's a great place to live. Yeah. So it's easy for you to say when you live in Los Angeles and you've got 13 million people who vote against the 300,000. There's a water problem. There's a lot of problems. And you know what LA did? You voted to take the surface water from the poor migrants in the east.

I didn't vote for anything. I'm not saying – I'm saying Los Angeles did this. Sure. In Los Angeles, the city said, we get the surface water. So the farmers said, how are we supposed to grow food? So they started digging wells down thousands of feet. And all of the poor farmer families who did the labor that feed people in this country lost access to their own water. And they were given big tanks of dirty, non-potable water. This is why the electoral college, I believe, is important. Because we've already gone through issues. And I've learned all about this

when I was doing fundraising for nonprofit groups in Chicago to protect Lake Michigan. Several states were trying to sue the Great Lakes Coalition to take water from the Great Lakes, depleting them and send them into areas that were experiencing drought, saying we are one country. We have the right. That's not correct. I believe that's absolutely wrong. And Illinois should have its own representation to protect its interests, as should Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio and Pennsylvania or other states that line the Great Lakes. Because these states have a coalition, along with Ontario, to manage the amount of water that the Great Lakes have. Because if they use too much or pollute them, then it drains. It'll

be gone forever. They need to make sure it keeps replenishing. Other states want that water. If we were going by direct popular vote, then Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago would dictate almost everything. No, that's not true. We're talking about the presidential election. That's not true. I think direct democracy – are you saying that direct democracy of one vote, one person popular vote would result – Terrible idea. Would it result in only liberals winning? Is that what you're saying? I'm just trying to understand. Absolutely not. Okay.

In fact, the the the National Popular Vote Coalition is one of the biggest mistakes California and Colorado are making. Right now, California is not going to give their electoral votes to a Republican. Yeah, by entering the coalition, they're creating the possibility they do. But that's the deal that everyone has to make, right? Right. I think it's think it's a bad idea okay okay so they can they can go forward with it but i think ultimately you've got you've got people who want some like global international cooperation but think about how that works with the un the united states makes its own laws and then we have international agreements and international cooperation on certain certain universal laws like you murder someone in the country they're going to you know track you down however we might not have an extradition treaty with certain countries

the u.s makes its own laws the states make their own laws the cities the counties etc if we just got rid of all of that then you end up having laws that make no sense for people in rural montana compared to someone who lives in new york well i don't know um All I'll say is this, that I think that in the United States, people are about as well off as they've ever been in the grand scheme of things. I definitely think that politics has become a circus show in terms of you really did not see on the ground coverage. You did not see domestic coverage that explored issues like this because all the air was sucked out of the room. So if there's one thing that I hope happens is that improves and now that the media has been essentially gutted. Well, I think you guys got to do it. Well, we could.

We're not going to – Look, look, look. One of the challenges with the stories that you're presenting is that you're actually investigating issues that are outside of this ridiculous culture war bubble. Yeah. And so a lot of people's whole world right now is the election just happened. Who's doing this? Who's doing that? Who's in my movie? And you guys are like, hey, we found like a network of people who might be compromised and like these manipulation or amplification networks.

Most people don't hear about that because no matter what you turn on you're getting the same yes world the same world and it's like like you said red and blue so when we go and even when you turn my content especially so let's say we we like focus this laser beam towards journalists who are doing this compromise then you're not going to hear those voices because either their handlers are going to pick them up and put them in a bag and take them somewhere or they're going to get demonetized across platforms because they're committing advertising fraud and that's how we plan to solve that and i'll have it like this so and we got control of the botnet so that'll be fun you control the botnet we're going to get control of it yeah i mean but these are illegally compromised computers you can't do anything well we can

hand it over you know and say hey yep this works with a sysitman that's registered. Yeah, we can do that. So how about instead of talking about culture war stuff or like criticizing journalists who you don't think are doing a good job, you boost journalists who are. So you guys are here. That's fair enough. The only reason I haven't actually like built an office building and put people in is because covet happened and now uh i don't i don't know if you guys remember when i was looking at the building in uh in new jersey that we had an actual building and the plan was to

bring in people and and like do journalism congratulations and walk away well you're talking about having cassandra fairbanks do fact checking though that's a little i wasn't talking about having cassandra do fact checking no i'm friends with cassandra. Well, you were talking about having Cassandra Fairbanks do fact checking, though. That's a little. I wasn't talking about having Cassandra do fact checking. No, I'm friends with Cassandra, but— Pretty sure you were. Just like you said, I claimed Julian Assange told me— You did. No, I did not, dude.

I don't make that shit up. If that had happened, that would have been like one of the biggest stories of my career. That's what I was like. Maybe I misheard you. And you said that wasn't true. No, Cassandra's, I like Cassandra. I think she's great. I think she's partisan.

And I want to hire actual journalists and be like, go, go do journalism. And I don't care whatever it is you, you, you pull up. Tell me, I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't. I mean, we're invested. Speaking of the water stuff. One of the first things we started investigating that COVID interrupted was about as apolitical as you get. Everyone's got to drink water even if you don't like it.

So even if you're drinking Coke all day. And it was about Poland Springs, which is the number one, at least I believe, might have changed since the pandemic. Probably would have gone up. Number one UPC scan in New York City at least. It's one of the biggest bottled water brands in the world. And you live in New York. You've seen it. It's the whatever that is, the Crystal River of New York and the Northeast.

Well, it appears that a third of every bottle is pumped from a location that at least visually, and we are looking into the scientific underpinnings and we are looking into certain permits that don't seem to add up. Or let's say that there seems to be more than one version of a permit at a state level if you looked at this place within the 300 yard radius of this pump that pumps out or the spring supposedly that pumps out 500 000 gallons a day of water goes into about you know a third of every poland spring bottle is made of this water because they blend different sources together it's literally got like a 1975 chevy rotting into the dirt next to it it's got like disgusting toilet system are you breaking more news right now well not yet wait till you see the video we couldn't finish it because the congressional inquiries that were going to happen and canada in the midterm has kicked them out in terms of using any water sources because you're right about

that you know that relationship that's there yeah but the congressional inquiries have not been pushed because of covid because they couldn't come and you know and that relationship that's there. Yeah. But the congressional inquiries have now been pushed because of COVID because they couldn't come and, you know, and do this in D.C. So I've got several whistleblowers that have given me about 20 years' worth of documents that, yeah, if we're successful, result in the largest product recall. I think that's ever happened. Sounds like something that very few outlets are doing anything of. Well, I've pitched it to several and they, you know, all of a sudden they love it.

And then two months later, they're like, we don't have the resources. And you see Perrier ads. Yeah, some advertisers pop up. There's some companies that just came into some money. We play the long game. I ask people a lot of questions that I already know the answers to. It's an old investigative tactic. They end up lying.

And then I come back with the proof later. I'm like, you lied. And then they try to worm out of it. And it's a fun game. And when you put it on camera and you put the whole process and it's transparent, no one can really leverage against you. And it's a new way of doing things that confuse people. They think, you know, we're agents. I'll take that as a compliment.

So I'll give you my breakdown of everything I think is happening in media. Sure. The internet changed everything, obviously. Obviously. But with social media algorithms, it created an opportunity for news organizations to be founded, built around one idea. So there was a period

where we had one site. I've mentioned this. Many people who follow the show might have heard me say it. There was a website that did nothing but police brutality videos. And it was in the global

top 500 websites. Like, how insane is that? People literally would go to this website just to watch this as if they were addicted to watching cops beat people. But they hated the cops.

Facebook was feeding this to people over and over and over again. It was the algorithm. It was like it was shocking. It was angering. And people would click it. News outlets started getting venture funding. They were the more successful outlets. It was because they realized you could combine terms.

You can combine political tally with racism, with sexism, with bigotry, whatever. And it started to create this fractured worldview the best example is mike.com when mike.com started you know they were like pro Ron Paul pro internet liberty makes sense and then slowly became woke social justice why because the things that get the most shares have the most keywords and so you could do racist sexist cops and what are the things matter and what what? What are the what are the most shares do they make? They make the most money. So this created a network of news outlets, which also created an inversion, the counter to it.

Right. You created social justice and anti SJW. And then you end up seeing news organizations compete with this. They all start failing. They start losing subscribers. Their ratings start going down because rage and tribalism was visceral to people. The dish of the day. Exactly. So then what does the New York Times do? Hire these people. We're losing money. Hire them and write these stories. And now we have activist news organizations. And then along comes some dude who worked with this guy at Vice who creates a YouTube channel and starts talking about his opinions and essentially creates something very, very similar. A partisan YouTube channel where I complain about Democrats and talk about my personal opinions and why I don't like one faction over the other.

And then at a certain point, I was like, this is the entire problem. I'm a guy who likes talking about his opinions. And I read the news and I say, here's what I think. But you gravitate towards the opinion pages of the news. You don't grab. That's not true at all. Well,

I mean, what I'm saying is there's very valid reporting in the New York times and there's some weird stuff in there too. And I use the valid reporting stuff. Fair enough. Fair enough. So I, you can't blanket statement those comparing what you're doing to the New

York times. It's just not, I mean, vice got in trouble for that early on comparing what you mean, comparing what you're doing to the New York times. I'm doing opinion commentary. Sure. But you're not doing reportingork times it's just not i mean vice got in trouble for that early on comparing and what do you mean comparing what you're doing to the new york time i'm doing opinion commentary sure but you're not doing reporting so it's i would say you're not doing reporting you don't leave the house that does that so you cannot report you never call anybody on the phone even i do i actually do yeah that's incorrect then you should record it and put it in your broadcast

because so i i reach out for comments frequently uh i do emails frequently and i'm wrong i'm wrong about that i'm sorry yeah right and and so this is something a lot of a lot of people make assumptions like you don't even do why would you why would someone we don't see it that's why but you don't see it when people write stories like you're right the new york times says trying to change you know my favorite huffington post story people close to the president say he has no one close yes and that's that's your very good point like i i don't like to use anonymous source and the only time to use anonymous source if is if they're going to be in harm's way. Otherwise, you should try to – I did a story where I got leaked documents.

And I reached out to several organizations for comment. And I published the story. I've reached out. But I say it's not – What about when you got the Grinnell audio stuff? Like for Cassandra and Grinnell and like that whole – Schwartz. Oh, but it's related to Grinnell. Yeah, sorry. Did I publish that? No, no. got the grinnell audio stuff like the cassandra and grinnell and like that whole schwartz oh but it's related yeah yeah sorry you did i publish that no no but she gave it to you right no i don't

think so i think she published that no but she gave it to you and then what was in february it was published by politico yeah politico yeah or i think politico yeah natasha she showed it to you and like i don't think i had anything definitive you showed it to you in like... I don't think I had anything definitive. You showed it to me, though. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. I don't remember.

Okay. There... I actually have a bunch of stories that would probably be really, really crazy. You should let us vet them. I will. Yeah, I'll tell you. The problem is I'd love to say them all right now, but if I can't prove it, I'm not going to blur it out on a show. You shouldn't talk all right now, but if I can't prove it, I'm not going to blur it out on a show. You shouldn't talk about anything you don't.

I can't prove it. But anyway, what I'm trying to say is like this is why I say as often as possible, you can't just watch my show. You can't just watch my YouTube content. You have to go check out other people. And I think one of the reasons YouTube has done a good job and is better than the likes of mainstream media is that if you watch a video on a certain topic you might get a progressive youtubers take on the same topic you might see or even a show like you know the hills rising where you've got cigar and crystal and they're kind of both populist on each side and you get different takes on things but if you go to like

fox news or msnbc you only get one view and there are people who only go to those websites now there's a bunch of other really garbage websites, especially there's some websites that are right-wing that are just like, they don't care to vet. They don't want to vet. They want to just write and get the clicks. Like Gateway Pundit? There are some websites.

They've got some issues with their servers, too. You want some fun? If you've got Maltego, plug that one in. Yeah, check it out. It'll blow your mind. Jim Hopps. But there's left-wing versions of that, too. Albeit, the left-wing versions try to make it look like they're real news. But you can tell.

They're not as good at the fraud as the right-wing guys. The right-wing guys? No, they're nowhere near as good. I think there was – I don't know what caused that. I think it might be because older people were susceptible to this stuff. Yeah, boomer stuff. Yeah, early early on and they started putting out crazy stories i i even remember talking about i talked about this once about manipulation and how you could easily see the formula that they use to make fake news to target old right-wing individuals this is the crazy part

to me and that's how you know at the end of the day boomers are the ones propagating this stuff because they don't understand the internet's forever and it's like we can find everything if we go and look in the right place the problem is right now here's the way i see it the left as we define it whatever that means tends to be people who just trust mainstream news outlets the right completely distrust them except for like tucker carlson and hannity which is ridiculous but no but but for real there was there was like a few research showing it was like who do you trust and it's like there was like on one on the right a conservative side it was all orange for like distrust except for two blue chunks journalists are overtaking lawyers is the most hated profession

so so here's what i have to deal with i'll be reading a news article and i'll be like did this person even google search this? No. Exactly. Like NBC News will do this. And they do. Do you guys know what cytogenesis is? It sounds self-referential citation in news.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. They do that. Yeah. So here's the problem. You have two worlds of fake news. One has I think there are malicious actors on the right and then on the left there's malicious actors but they're just corporations so what they're doing is like astroturfing and stuff it's obvious it's like you know rick from finance is like we need articles i got a million views go right about trump being bad and they do it now let's get to the i think one of the biggest

problems on both sides are the crisis management and pr people, who I have a particular disdain for. Because there's more PR people than there are journalists, and that should be inverted, like one to three or something. And I love going after PR people. I mean, we're going to out a couple of PR people that are doing some bad stuff pretty soon. And I've never been allowed to do – like I've always been – I kind of, you know, by the time I was 30 or 31, had achieved most of the goals that I set out to do. And've always been i kind of you know by the time i was 30 or 31 had achieved most of the goals that i set out to do and i was really astounded i was very lucky i was very grateful for those opportunities but i noticed when i started doing stories like john mcafee right which we own the footage that will come out at some point and you know you just gotta google buzzfeed geodata

rocco and you'll find the truth they They've SEO'd it out of existence. But my point is, like, you know, I've come up butt up against stories where it's like, no. Yeah, I've been told we don't do that type of reporting. I'm like, what? Like real reporting? Like what? And it's true though. And so, you know, I just feel like there's a lot of stuff that you're not supposed to do.

And now that we're doing that, we're finding that we were right. And the harder we push and the more non-traditional people we work with, like we talked about journalism as an activity, like R. Sissetman. He's a great securities admin. He actually was approached by steve bannon and he looks in some ways fondly at some of his philosophies i think that might be changing now when we're showing him various things and um you know am i saying my point is i'm willing to talk to anyone i find that once i start talking about this stuff they're like that's too complicated like well that's the crime it is complicated it's too bad it's tough it's tough. Like when, whenever I talk about Russiagate or Obamagate, it is mind-numbing.

It's really simple, though. It's the oldest trick in the book. You know what a shell company is, right? Yeah. Okay. So a shell company, like we went to Wyoming to investigate the shell companies that are associated with the Panama Papers, the addresses. And we find like suites that are like five offices of all these companies and they're

all empty. They have like a desk and chairs, no papers, a mailbox a mailbox what the heck and we videotaped it all really shells yeah now these are found in the panama papers now guo wingui we talked to a guy a senior administrator at a top three tech company who was hired to create a script that would use the panama papers to quote create blackmail okay and he found out that that's what he was doing, and he's like, I don't need to do this. And according to him, Guo took it and took it to China and made this, who knows what he made. My point is, is like, you know, that's obviously an issue, and that's something nobody, they

could have called this guy up, any outlet, and found this out. If people don't understand shell companies, I don't have any, they have no hope. If they don't understand Cambridge Analyt i don't have any they have no hope if they don't understand cambridge analytica they have no hope i don't know what to say look you can't tell someone who dedicated their life there's a whole movie on netflix about cambridge i mean they can go watch it yeah but even these like dude what did steve bannon realize he realized that gamergate and the gold crap the world of warcraft gold miners there is an immense power and disenfranchised audience there. He was right. Gamers and the internet and 4chan,

there's more people that are into that than there are movies. You don't hear about them because they're discreet. It's a huge audience. So you can't tell me that there aren't a bunch of people on here right now that understand this. And those people that understand it, I don't really care about getting through the people that understand it because they're just going to be what are you guys? Sheeples? Deeples?

I don't know what they are regular people spend their time mastering their trade their craft or whatever sure they come home they turn the news because it's a job they essentially have yep and we're going to mess that up for them we're going to show you that how the sausage is made it's really disgusting i think most people have have yeah but it's not it's it's kind of like we all know McDonald's chicken nuggets are gross, but we've never actually seen the video of it. And we eat them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't.

I haven't had it. Yeah, I'm good on that. I've talked about it quite a bit. I worked for ABC News Univision, and it was they wanted to make money. Of course. They wanted to create an influence network to sell attention. You're right. And we shouldn't look at this through a political lens.

We should look at it through a criminal lens. And what do criminals want? Money. You follow the money. And that should be about as simple as it gets. How is it going to get worse? No, no, no. I'll say there's probably criminal elements there.

But the issue is, and we've talked about this. Go to an investor and say, I want to do journalism. And they're going to say, how much do you need and what do I get? Okay, it's going to be for a year. I'm going to investigate this big thing. It's going to cost, how much do you need and what do I get? Okay, it's going to be for a year. I'm going to investigate this big thing. It's going to cost half a million bucks. Okay, what do I get after a year? I don't know.

I don't know what I'm going to find. You get movie rights and a Netflix deal. But if I don't find a news story, then you're out of luck. Well, that would be ridiculous to try to prejudge a news story before you had proof. You'd be stupid. You're asking for money to launch an investigative news company. No, I'm not asking for money. No, no, no.

What I'm saying is, if you go to an investor and say, I want to launch an investigative outlet, and they say, what do I get? You'll say – I have several people that just because they know who I am and what I've done. Yeah. What do you think happens when you go to an investor and say, I want to write a rage bait, you know, anti-Donald Trump or, well, Joe Biden? It depends on who it is. If it's people like Peter Thiel or Jeff Kesey, they'd probably give you some money. When you look at the hard numbers, the money is in writing about Brad Pitt's junk and complaining about movies and cultural issues. Or fake traffic and botnets and malware and selling that data.

For sure, for sure. That's the criminal element. Yeah, and that's happening. What I'm saying is the problem we face is that the short-term economic incentive is not in doing real journalism. Yeah, so? So what if I take out the very— That's difficult like what if i take out that's difficult what if i take out the very players not because i got the list what if we take out the very players based on dude dude dude come on there's no list stopping the average person from making the choice

that's you're right but if you take that choice away from them because they're a disingenuous actor where does it go i don't know we don't know we have freedom of speech i'm doing the things that you're not supposed to do that's all i know and we're going to see what happens okay excellent we'll do more of it we will let's uh how about we do super chats we're way over super chats what is super chats the comments from the people who are going to be i thought it was like super jail that's my favorite people throw money at us can you pull up real clear do i have to dance on your phone yeah you get more money look up 538 real clear politics i look that up that's not i don't see anything to confirm that they've changed their tune about the states sorry yeah people are claiming that certain states got

retracted or something i don't really let's see the productive slayer says china also performed human rights violations they prosecute and detained people that are religious foreign or anyone they consider as a threat to their political system. The big one is Uyghur's concentration camp and forces live organ harvest. Stay away from TikTok. I can talk about that one. We've done videos before on the Uyghurs. Really? Yeah, yeah.

We've done two videos with a certain group in D.C. And, yeah, I mean, you can go into Subverse's old videos now, Scanner, S-C-N-R. And, yeah, we two two videos on that issue and it's something that we are going to continue looking at because we are making more contacts along the way regarding those very cool check it out investigation we actually well we won't get into that one yeah once you see organ harvesting happening through a zoom call maybe that will make the story distilled to you but you're saying hard confirmation on this no no i'm saying it's possible to get okay we don't know the laws yet

we're looking at interesting all right wow wing night says keep on talking the truth stay safe dima says the reason avocado toast socialists treat the working class poorly is they don't even know we exist it is time for us to express our immense displeasure for our treatment the past five years and the past five decades by striking energy, trucking, logging and more. Cool. Interesting. Let's see. We have another one. Nope.

There we go. Okay. J. J. McGurr says I was talking to someone today and they brought up the 2016 recounts and while I was looking it up, Wiki said that 59% of precincts in Detroit were ineligible for recount because the amount of ballots in the box did not match the number printed from the machines.

I haven't looked it up myself, but I did see a headline. It's not enough, but I don't know if you guys saw this. There was like right now in several counties in like Florida and I think in Wisconsin, voter turnout rates exceeded 100%. How?

They say it's because people changed their address. That's their official explanation. And where was it in? There's a bunch. Florida, Florida Precinct 538 and then in several counties in Wisconsin. It needs to be investigated. Yeah, I would say so. That's my stance. But it will and we'll figure it out. Yeah, I hope so. than 100%. It needs to be investigated. Yeah, I would say so. That's my stance.

But it will, and we'll figure it out. Yeah, I hope so. I'm not convinced that it will be investigated. Well, we'll investigate it. How about that? I'm from Florida. Yeah, do it. That would be so much fun, you guys.

I got some people in the Florida election. Do it, please. Let's do it, yeah. Take a look. Go scanner. Yeah, go scanner. We got to get a little bit more bandwidth there. Yeah.

Look, math adds up, usually. Yeah, usually. Usually. a little bit more bandwidth there but yeah it's gonna look math adds up usually yeah usually usually like all the documents we have it adds up to almost the perfect amount of the 1mdb account i don't know how that is cool yeah very neat well certain pieces of it yeah so yeah we have a bunch of super chats like a ridiculous amount where people are like they're retracting states i don't i didn't see that attention to what we're actually saying i don't know they're kind of yes yes there's there's a ridiculous amount of superchats yeah i'm just bought that it's trying to propagate some crap that's true that's all there is to it i mean we get stuff like this usually where people will be like yo this thing just happened and then i'll look and

i'll be like that's not so i actually looked up 538 retracting i looked up like recent tweets there's nothing recent it's just like four days ago. Yeah. So I don't know. It's kind of weird. I don't know. Some people are complaining that I was a tomato. Oh,

yep. Tim Orange man. Good. Yes. Tomato. I see that. What does that mean? It was the camera was red.

I fixed it. I fixed it with the paper. Let's see. Lydia T says, do you think that a Biden administration will try to subsidize the dissemination of critical race theory in order to reeducate Americans? Hello, Lydia. I'll put it this way.

Reeducate Americans is a loaded statement. But I would say that one of Joe Biden's executive orders is to reinstate critical race theory. You guys know about what they were doing, right? Yeah. Like Sandia Labs. I don't know enough about it to comment other than it doesn't matter because the bots are going to control what your brain thinks anyway. We're all screwed anyway? Cool. I like that. I mean, that's, yes, but

at the Sandia, I think, was it Sandia where they're putting the white people on retreats? Yeah, so that's like a nuclear power, not nuclear power, it's like they're developing weapons and they're sending the white people to retreats to force them to recant their whiteness. How dare they? Oh, well, it's happened to a lot of other people.

That didn't end well either. I lot of other people. That's true. That didn't end well either. I don't like it. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm saying it's not good for anybody. And in fact, but again, what I would recalibrate to is potentially over 45,000 to 55,000 agents of foreign influence from one country in this country.

50,000. That's what we're hearing. That's a lot.'ve you've noticed you've said it all of these people getting picked up right there's a guy that was picked up okay there's a guy that was picked up in arkansas yeah last year uh yeah a bunch of people picked up in arkansas but particularly a guy that was picked up with a walmart scam where he was riding across the country this is what it said in the articles right using gift Using gift cards from Walmart from some scam. I don't know how the scam worked. And it was some podunk town, sorry.

In Arkansas. In Arkansas. I love Arkansas, by the way. And near the lakes. So he wasn't a student. And he was, like, the Secret Service was involved in the arrest. This is in the local papers. This is from all the things.

It went under the arrest. This is in the local papers. What? This is from all the things. It went under the radar. There was no specific, like, damage to the town that was read in the charging report for the local courts. They said they couldn't find any victims. Victims. And Walmart and Global Investigations is handling it, which is, that's weird. What the heck? Oh, that's a whole other story.

Wow. Yeah, we won't get into that. Spies. Oh, my gosh. So corporate intelligence is the real thing yeah i've so for sure and part of this story will revolve around me unraveling certain agents of influence and corporate intelligence that have tried to interact me in some things over the years that i trapped them and i got them and i've waited and i'm gonna unspool them like you, you know, I'm going to. Don't overpromise.

I think I have all the blowtorches and potters I need, you know. I want to hear about. I want to see this list. I want to see. I'm sure you do. I want some verification. A lot of people want to see it. Yeah, I want.

I told you. We have not verified it. It is the list that we are very certain, but not 100%, but getting close, because we're transparent, that we believe Guo Wengui is using to manipulate various foreign affairs. Interesting. Yeah. Well, well.

St. Miles says, Hey, Emily, Molly, cool to see you around. Very cool, yeah. You too, bud, even though I can't see you. I love you, random citizen. You guys are going to love this one. My IQ is lower than my chromosome count says. Oh, no.

So what you're saying is that you found the source of all those last minute Biden votes? Oh, man. Yeah, I think that was it. You specifically were like, let's not make it political. Thanks, guys. Let's take it from the top. Check this out. The Insomnia Addict says, Red Hat hackers have been used by the FBI for years.

Flip and use to take down criminals. True. Why wouldn't these be turned into nation actors? It's true, but it's different when you have an internet. The distinction I would make is that if you work for tailored operation, you know Sabu is, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I remember Sabu came into the vice office once.

I was like, get that guy. Get him out. Right? Get him out. And like. So people don't know who he is he's uh uh he he basically ratted on his his little sec right and he became an informant and he got brown busted and all these people right eventually yeah actually barrett you know no barrett brown wasn't through

sabo what wasn't but well it was like i don't want to get into that yeah but my point is is like joe fionda barrett brown all these people did reach out to me when i started you know working in scanner um and told me like a lot of weird stuff i don't know i don't really get involved in that stuff but it was just i do think you kind of like were very disturbed by that but by like i did i thought you would be like friendly with anonymous and all these people but it seemed like you didn't want me to talk to them no way dude i'll give you their phone numbers i have i think you're confused man then i'm wrong i'm wrong i'm wrong no i think a lot of those people are compromised for sure well i think take a look at the videos of them hanging out with weave and now see what they say i was never friends with that guy do you

know where weave is yeah he's ukraine pig farming isn't he i don't know yeah i'm pretty serious so for those unfamiliar weave is what was one of the most notorious trolls and hackers in the U.S. He was, I think it's fair to say, wrongly prosecuted over this AT&T hack thing. But he was notoriously a white nationalist. I don't know the exact ideology, but I think that's it. It might be worse. I have no idea. But you had all of these hackers and anonymous who were good friends with him, partying with him, taking photos with him.

And then as soon as the culture war ignited and it expanded, these people all came out and said, I was accidentally being tricked by the Russians. It's a little different than that. I mean, Joe Fianna was like videotaping his trip from prison and was like bummed out that he wanted to listen to white national music in the car. It was like, what is going on? So it was like Barrett is one thing. I was at Weaves. I'm sorry you're going to prison party with these people. I heard that.

And they were such good friends with him, laughing and taking hugs. Glenn Greenwald and all sorts of people. Glenn wasn't there. But he's taking pictures with them. I don't know if it was a good party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, you got to be careful with some of these photos because like if a dude walks in.

No, you're right. You're right. That's why I don't take photos with anybody because I don't. You take a lot of photos, though. No, I don't. Okay. Well, not anymore. Not anymore, right? Yeah, I don't take photos with anybody because i don't you take a lot of photos no i don't okay that's no way not anymore right yeah i don't take pictures with anybody because people do this on purpose well they'll come to you and try and get a picture with you so they can try and yeah there's some there's some that's why i pick my nose widely circulated ones which is why i get why you don't do it anyway yeah yeah there's so after i think it was in um

let me try and think it was at berkeley or portland i got uh messaged by the alt-right guys that had that had organized the rally and they asked me like hey we're all meeting would you want to come and i said i'll come i'll talk to you guys ordered my own food drank nothing had a glass of water they took a picture and now the left uses that to try and claim out sitting there looking like he hates his life just like the photos photos I have of, you know, with the Soviet general in Ukraine or with a Brazilian gang member. It's like I took pictures with some people or I even I was just sitting there and they took a picture and then they use that. So now I'm just like, I'm not playing that game, dude. No, these people want to want to, you know, create narratives and craft narratives.

So I don't I don't even I'm not even interested in going on anyone's shows or anything like that either. I'm just totally over it. I'm going to mind my own business. Anyway. You've got it. Super chats. Makes sense. Let's see.

A lot of people are very interested in the political ramifications of it, but considering I don't think we have any, you know. Well, they can watch the second part of our video. We're going to be doing. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be great. Over the political aspect.

Yeah. It's just thinking like that. Yeah. Seriously. Think about Nate. Think about your country and other countries and what that means. over the political ass yeah it's just thinking like that yeah seriously think about nate think about your country and other countries and what that means so instead of like your state and this other state it's like there's other countries out there think of it as an american rather than somebody on the right or the left it could be something that unifies us at least for it should

be yeah for sure i think i think the ideological issue is not that's a distraction i agree dude it's such a huge distraction, and it's done purposefully. It's not going to go away, but can we agree that foreign influence on elections is bad? Yeah, I think so.

Of course. Then we should, at least we can agree there, and we can start looking at things there. The problem is it takes years to uncover it. When you see, like,

California just failed Prop 16, the Californians voted against it. This is very, very good news. I'm very happy to hear this. But they were trying to repeal their civil rights law. Yes. And a lot of people have changed hands and at least the local Los Angeles administrations. That's scary.

That's scary. I don't know. The stuff they were doing that we learned from Christopher Ruffo out of like, say, Sandia Labs. Yeah. Like taking all the white people to a retreat where they have to go through these trainings where they repeat over and over again these are struggle sessions like this is creepy I don't know man I've been called a Mexican all my life and I'm not in any way not even close yeah people call me Roscoe Rick I don't I've never taken offense Joe Biden Joe Biden's progressive coalition pact or whatever has in it a social

equity credit scoring system well they're just like the chinese yeah so what am i right yeah i know this data set is is that and we you have at least i believe that you know people that might participate in this data brokerage probably well i mean i know a lot of people but you know you're close but what i'm saying is when i hear that joe biden has a plan and i looked i looked at this i didn't believe it when i heard it that they want to create a public agency that uses social equity scoring systems to determine whether you can get a loan or not. Yeah, non-essential and essential. Those are terms that are going to be here to stay.

That is horrifying. No, it's not, because most people should be on the dole because a robot's going to do their job better than they are. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's the fact of life. When they say you can't get a car loan because you're white, that's freaky. That's different. That's what I'm talking about.

No, they're not going to be scoring you. You know more about this. It literally says this in the pact. But it's based off the Chinese. The American one says racial equity. Okay. Your score and eligibility. I don't think that's going to go over well with everybody.

I don't think it's going to be legal because it's a violation. But here's the problem. Hope not. When Donald Trump banned the critical race theory trainings in the federal government, all of them that he banned specifically violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Joe Biden says he's going to rescind that, which means now it's going to be up to the individuals who are being put through these trainings to file federal lawsuits under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

He also said he was going to support fracking in Pennsylvania. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Joe Biden. He said both. He's going to get rid of it and support it now yeah good stuff but there's yeah the reasoning was sound and we'll see if he wins or loses what he says yeah i'm joking chris chris dumas says yo tim do you think it would it should be considered a bad faith election if they actually amendment 25 biden well my personal opinion is uh i interesting i see huh well you heard what plosy said about it right

it's not for trump it's for the for a future president uh-huh that they're creating a panel to remove the president i mean what where's the one can you do that to to nancy pelosi because i think i know right i'm ready to be something crazy crazy alcoholic lady i mean she might because they've lost i think i think there should be age limits i honestly think sure i think trump pelosi and b Biden are too old. Done. 70. Cognitive tests.

100%. Yeah. You have to play pick-up sticks with your butt cheeks. But didn't you see Trump? Trump passed his test. Yeah. Remember? He remembers the words.

It was like shark, panda bear, cheese whiz. And that was it. You passed. It was pretty much it. It's actually. Do you actually think he's in good physical shape, too? Trump? Yeah. I'll tell you this, man. He's. It was pretty much it. It's actually. Do you actually think he's in good like physical shape too? Trump? Yeah.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you this, man. He's spry. He really is. Look at that energy. I can't walk uphill, bro. Trump? Yeah.

But it's not even about that. It's like I agree with you on the age limit. Like regardless of Trump or Biden or like Pelosi's 80. At a certain point, like, you know, it's crazy is like we assume and I'm not trying to be mean to understand the Internet. So all these things we're talking about, they don't have any clue. So who's in control? Who's in charge here? I'll tell you this right now.

I said in 2018, Republicans are too stupid to deal with the issue of Internet censorship to actually win, like to actually save their own party. Yes, but you got people like Charlie Ergen, who's friends with Britney and all these people and chase ergen that they are wanting to move in on net neutrality they have and then that's an issue now and that's actually when we get to the core of this and people don't understand net neutrality is i encourage you to google it because i'm not going to explain it all here nobody could explain it it's basically creating multiple internets and prioritizing if you're watching netflix because they pay more as a premium for this conduit of information. The internet is a series of tubes, which is kind of true now. Let's see.

I think I already read that one about avocado toast socialists. That was funny. Garrick Sturgill says, holy S, these guys are legit. Yep. I know, right? Well, hopefully. Some people are saying these people are hacks. Quit.

Give us a call we'd like to have you on the program our program and you'd like to tell us why you're hacks we'll take you up on that offer

and then maybe we'll come after you oh that'd be great sounds exciting we're an equal opportunist thing we're like oh my gosh

there's a good mix of people saying you guys suck and you guys rock yeah that's great why do we suck that's the way it's supposed to be

yeah exactly I love it it's actually true journalism pisses everyone off exactly people don't like to be held accountable that is very true that's exactly it's supposed to be. Exactly. I love it. It's actually true journalism pisses everyone off. Exactly. People don't like to be held accountable. That is very true. That's exactly what's going to happen.

And in this age, data. Someone says, why is he so rude and smug to Tim? Rocco. Rocco, how dare you be smug? Because it works. It works. It works. It works.

Tim. Tim. Why did you hire Rocco? What do you mean? Why did you bring him in? Because he's smug and rude to me. Yeah, that's true. Well, I hit up Rocco because Rocco...

He's good at his job, man. Yeah, he's good at his job. I don't know. Because when he was at Vice, he had a bunch of stories and was constantly complaining about the establishment powers that were trying to stop people from telling the news. Why was there another... No, i just genuinely wanted to know like people a lot of people don't like like a lot of your fans don't like necessarily what we're doing oh yeah and so i think it is important for you to tell why you brought him in oh i mean that's one of it the other thing is i think that

here's the here's the way i put it i'm one guy i have opinions it's true i read the news all day and i make videos based on my opinions and what i think are like wow that's the way I put it. I'm one guy. I have opinions. I read the news all day. And I make videos based on my opinions and what I think are like, wow, that's the most shocking thing to me today. And here's what I think about it. But I also recognize that the internet has become news is dead. The New York Times is being taken over by activists. And so I'm like, all right, well, Rocco, Emily, can you guys go do news? Because I don't think I'm doing like I'm not doing on-the-ground reporting, digging into documents,

and anything like that. You guys can go do it. I'm some dude who complains on the internet about his feelings. You know what I mean? I'm not like... I had a period where I was doing on-the-ground documentary and field reporting. It started to get too dangerous because they started to call me out for reporting on what they were doing.

I don't know if you guys know... Is this stuff about Elijah Public? I think so, yeah. He tweeted about it. He tweeted about death threats against him, right? Yeah, so Elijah Schaefer, who goes on the ground and he reports on... Is the guy dressed up like sub-commandante Marcos?

No, I don't think so. He wears black. No. He blends in with the Antifa. But he got contacted by the FBI because there was a credible death threat against him. Yes. Well, you know, I will say, like, that's not cool for somebody to get death threats, but

he hasn't been completely, like, genuine in all of his posts and reporting. Like, you think that he's posting fake news? I would say framing is important. He is biased. We know that. Yeah. Is he biased? I would tell you that.

I don't think. Yeah, I think so. I think everybody's biased. Who does he work for? Nobody, but he hosts a podcast that appears on Blaze. Yeah. Do you think he receives funds from foreign actors? No, but I think a lot of people who don't realize it.

Okay. So one thing I think people need to realize too, do you know how easy it is for a foreign actor to fund and prop up a YouTuber? Yep. The easiest possible thing in the world. Super easy. It's very easy. Yep, yep.

That's why Gwo has his own series of channels. You can, check this out, you can direct ad revenue to one specific channel. And you can buy any ad you want, which means you can have somebody in China take a Coca-Cola commercial video and then pay to run it on Scanner or Timcast. And you'd never know. And I would never know. And you would never know. And you'd be like, wow, ad rates are coming in great.

And what they do is, this is something news organizations do. People think that news organizations are compromised in that they hire on these criminals and they say, I want you to write about how this politician is good or bad. And they go, ha- ha, I'll do it. What really happens is they find people who are blogging or tweeting about how they don't like certain things and say, hire that person because they're gonna write good stuff that we're gonna use,

we're gonna make money off of. So what happens with social media, particularly YouTube, where it's really easy, you can have a foreign agent or even the government or some corporation or whatever say, this guy talks about things that we really like. Dump ad money into his channel

through Google AdSense and they'll never know we were the ones funding them and you can't prove it. say this guy talks about things that we really like dump ad money into his channel through google adsense and they'll never know we were the ones funding them and you can't prove it so do you think youtube you think that's something like youtube should be looking into or somebody should audit youtube for that kind of information definitely you think youtube's in on it i don't think youtube's in on it i think youtube doesn't care yeah and as long as journalists don't call them out for it they're not going to say anything that's going to cause another adpocalypse are you ready that's that's that's the big problem but i think i've said it a million times if they announced that they were going to like ban twitter i would lose my account i'd be like dude twitter's terrible yeah get rid of it

just get rid of it i'm half kidding like no it's bad for us you know but but if if it turned if i found out that someone was secretly funneling money through adsense to my channel i'd be like cut it all off. I don't care. I'll go sleep in a ditch. I might have some news for you. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

I mean, we've looked at like – we kind of addressed this with you the last board meeting we had about certain sites like syphilisdating.com. Twitch.net. Don't go to it. Don't go to it. Don't go to any of the sites we talk about. Well, it does because it lists your brother and you as the owner. And there's a series of 55 URLs like antifa hub.org. Oh, interesting.

A lot of them are packed with malware. A lot of them are packed with, they have security reports. Yeah, but what does that have to do with me or you? I don't know. I'm saying I don't know, but you should look into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, man, people can slap my name on whatever they want. But there's also timcast.net, timcast.co, and I'm taking a look at those servers, and they put back to.cn sites, and that becomes a little troubling.

That's crazy. There's actually a government section of the Alibaba servers that it has. That's Wix, brother. That is Wix. That's just me using Wix. Yeah, they have some interesting JavaScript codes. But you should be careful with your data. Yeah.

You should be very careful. My website's just wix.com. And then.co is just a URL redirect. You've got some unique malware on there you should look at. We'll shut it down. Interesting. Anyway, let's read a couple more Super Chats, huh? What a derail.

Sorry, guys. That's interesting. So yeah, don't go to those sites, by the way. Don't go to them. Don't do it. Not unless you want to. Not syphilis dating. Don't go to syphilis.

No, don't go to the... I can't imagine going to... unless you want when you're super virus. Not syphilis dating. No, don't go to the... I can't imagine going to... Unless you want some malware or something. Andrew S. says, confused about all the China, Malaysia, UAE, and 1MDB talk?

You should read the book Billion Dollar Whale about Joe... Yolo. Yolo, yeah. Oh, interesting. And dig into Goldman... in the Goldman Sachs.

Yeah, Goldman Sachs has a piece of this too. Fascinating. Oh, yeah, yeah. Goldman Sachs was recently in the news because... They paid on settlement. Yeah. Of course they did. Yeah. so i don't know who this is directed at but i'll read anyway andrew star says you sat here and s on cassandra glenn greenwald and anyone who disagrees

with your worldview for the last hour but now you want to talk unity is that is that for rocco what yeah it's for me uh no i called them disingenuous actors that work with foreign agents and you're on american oh no no no no not, no, no, no, no. Not all of them. Not all of them. Not all of them. But the people that he's referring to. Well, yeah, I would say Glenn is a disingenuous actor that works with foreign agents.

He's trying to speak disingenuous. Really? Yeah. I don't think he always was, but I do now. I'd invite him to prove me wrong and maybe I could prove. I actually feel the other way around. I used to not like him. Now I think he's done better.

I don't really have an opinion of him. He was handed documents by like somebody and reported them out, which pretty much anyone could do. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. And I was not a fan of him back in the day for a lot of reasons. Like instead of publishing the documents, he slow trickled them out and they disappeared. I also just don't have like, you know, I don't have much of an opinion. I don't really read people I don't like.

It doesn't enter my worldview. You know, like this guy, I just block him. I'd be like, who cares? Like, or I'd say, give me your real name. Let's have a discussion about it. Let's have a debate point by point sit down talk about it and if i'm wrong i have to shave a stripe down my head if you're wrong you know you have to lick my boot something like that okay there you go sounds good sounds fair yeah yeah i'm gonna board with that the insomniac says are you going to cover the hacktivist change that happened to anon back in

like 07 yes scientology push i feel the low orbit ion cannon and whatnot was the weaponization of the culture war. It was. And a lot would happen after Tunisia with Twitter and all this stuff actually plays into that. It's very important. It's actually really simple. Different groups of people had different interests. And it's like you play the game Life Genesis where you have like little blue dots and little red dots. And if you mix them together, then the red dots get eaten up by the blue dots.

The Scientology thing wasn't supposed to be this legitimate anti-Scientology action, but it was a troll against Scientology. But it attracted people who actually were activists. Then you get actual activists who are involved now, but the regular trolls were like, we don't actually care about this. No. And thus created this activist movement and then Wikiiki leaks and it's still like star wars though the saga like i was actually hired to adapt we are anonymous into a screenplay which is booked by parmy olsen um i don't know if it'll come out but it was fascinating to do that uh part of how i met some of these people um i do think a lot of them got the raw shake on

where they're they're internet activists and i think that's a real thing that people should probably respect a little bit more than they do because the internet is supposed to be the great equalizer of free speech. And net neutrality will, you know, the undercutting of that will really hurt the internet. I think the big problem is that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, the big tech companies have already undercut it. Of course they have. And now we just have to blow up their spot, you know. Figuratively. Figuratively. have to blow up their spot, you know, figuratively,

figuratively, all of it happens on the internet, man. We don't blow anything up around here. You see what they've been out to malware server. I know exactly. They, they banned Alex Jones for making,

they banned Bannon for, you know, just for me, I'm not going to repeat it. Oh yeah. Yeah. I know what they need. Yeah.

I mean, I'd like to be able to say that about certain people, you should keep things inside yeah i guess i guess that's a platform for those i tell him you gotta be careful about what you say but i tell him all the time my ultimate dream is to bait someone into doing something violent against me but i'll have a bait like i'll have a home alone setup and i'll have a live stream like a rube goldberg machine where it like slaps you with fish and then yeah and i'll stream it, and then I'll torture them until they tell me who they work for. Get a bunch of money. That sounds like a...

Wow. Yeah. What a fantasy. Then they just disappear. Then we'll put it up on Scanner. Oh my gosh. What's wrong with you? Just kidding.

Don Reif says, these guys are like a left-wing Alex Jones who won't even tell you the story they have. Oh, you can watch it, though. Don't worry. It's part two's up now. Click on it. Scanner. Love it.

All right, let's watch it, though. Don't worry. It's part two's up now. Click on it. Scanner. Love it. All right. Let's see. Super cool. Not Godzilla says Red Hat is a type of hacker. Nothing involving China. It is true. It's a nation state hacker. That's what I said.

Yeah. Or it's like a privateer hacker. Like, of course. Yeah, it has. It has morphed into that. I'm talking about the traditional sense. Read about a guy called the Eagle from China and the Eagle Honker Union to get a real sense of where Red Hat came from let's see uh netflix says tim will regret letting these pompous arrogant people

spew nonsense for so long they are only here for your audience tim ps adderall is a hell of a drug i gotta tell you like i'm gonna have we're gonna have people on that people don't like sorry guys what's his name nut scrape what's his name how about put your real name on there and come see me and I'll tell you a couple of things. No, no. You're going to get banned. For what?

I'm going to talk to him like an individual. I want to have a conversation. There's nothing wrong with interviewing him. Yeah, let's interview him. I want to embarrass him publicly. Okay, that sounds fair. That is fair. You can embarrass me publicly if you're right.

There you go. Cody Blackwell says, hey, Tim, have you heard of the channel Legal Eagle? He does similar videos but specializes in the legal stuff at a glance he seems like a decent person but definitely anti trump so it feels biased you know i'm i don't i don't mind anti-power like how about that is that cool to say i'm anti-power i would i personally would say i'm anti-abusive power because i think like you know there needs to power has to exist well sure but and you know i want to speak truth to power sure there you go exactly that's fair i see people people need to realize about uh rocco oh actually i'll say this emily is very professional and good at what she does and so i was like so so at first i was i'm not doing a dig on rocco so i was like

okay so emily's gonna do her thing and thing and I'm confident she can take care of it But Rocco's the kind of guy who I feel like if someone tries giving you the business doesn't matter what their politics are doesn't matter What how much money they have back to him? You're gonna give him the finger and like flick a cigarette butt in their face No, I'm gonna publicly embarrass them I'm tired of mincing around words and being nice. If you step up, like I don't open my mouth unless I know something. If you're going to open your mouth, and if I'm wrong, I will be the first to admit and I will apologize because I'm an adult. He does that.

Yeah. He does do that. Interesting. But I don't publicly say things I need to apologize for unless I make an error, which happens to me. It hasn't happened yet. You know, I think the most important thing, though, is like the stuff you guys are reporting on does overlap with politics but the other there's other stuff you mentioned the water stuff like too much news is just talking about yeah politics culture war yeah it's kind of boring and so right that's why i think it's important uncover uncover these compromised people it

overlaps with politics for sure but do the water story as well and other stories and i think that so this is what i want to do for a long time i wanted to like hire five journalists and be like journalism journalism go do it just write whatever like and obviously there would need to be some kind of like editorial oversight or something you know and but i would also i also wanted to hire some fact checkers problem is covid just stopped everything dead in its tracks i couldn't i couldn't get the building can't move people can't go out and do stuff so it's like well, we rented an RV and actually shot an entire series that will be pitching to Netflix, Hulu,

et cetera. We waited till after the election. Cause it is about the pandemic, but it's not from a perspective. It's not hosted. It's all Verite. It's about first of all, the economic crisis that is inevitable that we have to figure out.

Right. That's real. No matter what else happened. Definitely from a doctor's perspective, the pandemic has been real and we can get into all that yeah the third is civil unrest and how it played into this election and the fourth would i'm forgetting something now it's all going to get worse and you're gonna have to keep going no no it's uh more about well i think it was three interlocking crises right or but there's like another element to it that i'm blanking on yeah

sorry oh oh oh environmental in terms and the reason we say that oh yeah healing the world But there's like another element to it that I'm blanking on. Yeah, sorry. Oh, environmental. And the reason we say that is because – Oh, yeah, healing the world. Not even that. It's more like that we went to New Orleans in April to do an episode about Louisiana where you literally have chemical factories on old slave plantation land. And you have the offspring of slaves. All the white people have moved out.

And you have the worst chemicals being pumped in north america right next to them they have the highest and so it's called cancer alley and it has been called that for 30 years and now covet comes along and they have the highest per capita instance of covet in the world which i've never seen such a direct display of what people might call environmental injustice but that backs into personal liberties too because the activist the white activists who are trying to support these people are being surveilled by the department of homeland security interesting they got just brought up on charges of yeah and they all went out and protested too and this is before you know george florida happened we actually got this yeah in the time

capsule that's very interesting you know it's going to be interesting is uh a lot of people from occupy wall street are like hardcore trump supporters now. MAGA hat, full on Trump. I wonder what these people are going to do now with like with the Biden presidency. I don't know that their whole identity has been built around this. And that's a problem. Like people should be nuanced. They should have nuance. No, I'm not talking about like there are there are diehard Trumpers that are going to be diehard Trumpers.

Sure. But there are Occupy Wall Street people who supported Trump because Trump was anti-trans-Pacific partnership and NAFTA. And these are older people, too. Like, these are people who protest at WTO and stuff. So I wonder if there's going to be, like, a move back and they're going to be more along with, like, the leftist marching now and stuff. I don't know. I mean, look what happened with Assange in terms of how people, you know, polarize around something. So weird.

It's really interesting. Hero of the left. And now he's Russian, right wing, whatever. Anyway, so thanks for hanging out, guys. Thank you. YouTube.com. What's the URL now? SCNR?

It's scnr.com. SCNR.com. Yeah, just go to scnr.com. That works. Boom. Four-letter URL. Love it. Hard to come by.

Yeah, hard to come by. So do you want to shout that out? Do you want to mention your social media or anything? Scannerbot on Twitter. S-C-N-R-B-O-T? Scannerbot. It's not a bot. It's not actually a bot.

Talk about bots. We might start experimenting with some projects that are more AI-driven and to show you. We like to break stuff. We want to feed stuff into botnets and show you how we could put a thought in your head and then reveal that it was fake. I like the people that are saying Rocco didn't kill himself he did not look at him i think i think uh i think one one thing i i i you know i i try to do and have had conversations about is trying to break echo chambers knowing that uh there's there's a there's a culture war internet landscape of which I am very much active in.

But I want to make sure I can create like an exit door. So I think if people follow you guys, they're not going to get echo chamber. They're not going to get confirmation bias. You may not like what you hear or what we report on, but that's probably because it pulls the rug out from under you. And really, at the end of the day, that's in your service. We're looking to in the service of the public's interest and that's the definition of journalism and if you sway from that you get into other things we're not interested in those things and i don't look i think uh i

think you guys will get some things wrong i think you'll get some things right i think everyone does and everyone will and that's why it's important we will be transparent about that right having having having a path to be like if if i'll put it this way if anybody watching takes issue with anything you guys say or do i think they can just email and be like check out the facts here's the here's the data we'll have you on if you really want to be nasty we'll have you on and we'll be nasty too or we'll be nice yeah great yeah you know she tried to be nice but if you do take the destructive path you know there's more it's it's more like the golden rule treat others like you want to be treated it's just never been applied to journalism you know there's gold it's it's more like the golden rule treat others like you want to be treated it's just never been applied to journalism you know sure what a what a tremendous interesting experiment that would be yeah i'm joking i also like to have fun by the way a lot of this is like

i'm a troll and troll and like boxy i'm not not really i'm more just like trying to let people look me people look in the mirror about themselves i think i think uh you know we've seen some people say you guys are legit some some people say that you're biased doesn't bother us no but I think I think that's a good thing I think you like I say follow people that you don't agree with you can't you can't only just watch my stuff you got to watch be prepared to prove like disagreeing is one thing but you can't disagree with facts you can't and there's no such thing as facts don't care about your feelings well and a fact finder just so people that believe in alternative facts when you you go to court, the judge is the fact finder. And if they find the facts that put your ass in jail, that's real.

Yep, that's real. All right. I agree with that one. Do you want to mention your social media or anything? I mean, not really. You can just... Yeah, we're not going to give you our social media. We're different.

I don't really use Twitter much or anything like that. No, but watch our new video on our YouTube. SCNR.com. Yeah. And check out I'm Rocco Understorkastro. There's a bunch of evidence that we've been talking about. I use Twitter as an evidence shed to like if I do get – if I don't kill myself, you know what I mean? You're not going to.

That's a joke. If something happens to Rocco, it will already be too late. Yeah. Stop the stories. Well, John McAfee is my kill switch. Perfect kill switch. I love it. And of course, you can follow Lydia at Sour my kill switch. Perfect kill switch. I love it. And of course, you can follow Lydia at Sour Patch Lids.

That's correct. I'm at Sour Patch Lids. L-Y-D-S. And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast. And you can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. I also talk really fast. Faster, faster.

Hit the like button before you go. And we are going to... I got to tell you, friends. I can't tell you what's going to... I am so excited. We're going to have a crazy week. Crazy. We're going to i i gotta tell you friends i can't tell you what's gonna i am so excited we're gonna have a crazy week crazy we're gonna have a really we're gonna uh we're gonna have a really great guest tomorrow we don't really announce the guests because you know if they cancel on us well no how often does that happen it happened twice because of uh um uh administrative

issues for our guests so it was like really boring nonsensical reasons like, you know, I missed my flight. Or like, you know, something came up. And so I don't want to get everyone hyped up. But I think tomorrow is going to be really, really fun. But this week is going to be interesting. Anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody. Again, check out scnr.com if you want to see the reporting

on what sounds like a bunch of different stories and a very complicated one. But I'm particularly interested to hear about this list of compromised people. All you gotta remember is Gwo knows. Gwo knows. Gwo knows, interesting. All right, everybody, thanks for hanging out,

and we will see you all again tomorrow night at 8 p.m. All right, bye, guys. Thank you.