Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #168 - Michigan County REFUSES To Certify Election, ITS HAPPENING w/ Michael Malice

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host gust Michael Malice (@MichaelMalice on Twitter) discuss the recent non-certification of the county in Michigan containing Detroit, the entire election cycle, and elves.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So Rudy Giuliani shows up to, I think he showed up to the courthouse, I think he was there in person, to litigate on behalf of the president's campaign. And all of these lefty journalists are tweeting about how dumb Giuliani sounds and how ridiculous all of this is. His arguments make no sense. The judge is exasperated. And I'm sitting here reading this stuff like, what is he doing? Is this really the last breath of the Trump campaign?

He refused to concede for what? And then Michael Malice shows up to my house, right? And I immediately start to say some joke referencing Trump's ultimate master plan that after everything that's kind of just gone wrong, he's yet to announce. And then right before I finish the joke lydia shows me a tweet shoved my phone in his face shoved her phone in my face of wayne county michigan which is detroit refusing to certify the results of the election and if they don't if those votes aren't counted well then michigan is for trump uh if they don't certify it goes to the state board

and it could ultimately result in state legislators appointing electors and telling them how to vote, which could be the beginning of Trump's real plan. And then I was like, now I can't finish this joke to Michael. So anyway, Michael is here. Michael Mouse, everybody. You know him. You love him. He's wearing his COVID mask because he's very responsible. I am.

I don't even know if people can hear you while you're wearing that well i'm not gonna say anything interesting no they can't hear you is that literally true it's super low yeah is this better that's yes okay so uh so here's what happened uh when youtube took down the alex jones podcast i appealed i said you know here's what we can do i'm just imagining them being like there ain't no podcast that never was. So yeah, it's never existed. We get a notification. You've been warned.

One more strike and we can't upload. We can't stream. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the warning, I'm like, all right. So I essentially appealed saying, first of all, can we just clip out the portion in question? And then it came out that Alex actually slowed down the audio and said, I didn't say what everyone thought I said.

And that's true. I thought he said something different. And they told me they'll get back to me soon. They're working on it. So I said, you know alex actually slowed down the audience and i didn't say what everyone thought i said and that's true i thought he said something different and they told me they'll get back to me soon they're working on it so i said you know what i got a better solution i invited michael and alex right back on the show immediately said come back right now first thing and we're gonna do a whole nother show alex a busy guy he couldn't do it he was you know he was like i got he's got a family he can't come but mich Michael was able to come. Not busy. No family. No family. No loved ones.

No responsibility. No liked ones. Just loneliness and despair. And so he's back on. It's a good song, by the way. Yeah. But we're also hanging out with Ian, of course. What up? Ian's here.

And Sour Patch Lids. I'm here in the corner producing. And we're going to start today's show by showing you something very, very important. Can you please show people? Will it work? I can. I hope so. Oh, no! Too bad. Our monitor broke again.

We've got to figure out what's wrong with these monitors. It's the Ron Paul It's Happening GIF. It's Ron Paul. I hate it when people pronounce GIF. It's GIF. No, it's not. It's GIF. No, it's not, because GIF is a brand of peanut butter. Because the guy who invented it said it was. I don't care what he says. He's wrong. I agree. Thank you, Michael. Thank you.

Thank you. They're not pronounced Sour Patch Kides. He's wrong. I agree. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Thank you. They're not pronounced Sour Patch Kites. It's not pronounced magic. What is the history of the word? Guyant. A magic guyant cast a spell on his gif. Yeah, but it's giggity, not jiggity. What do you get for Christmas? Gifts?

Yes. Jifts? Jifts. Jifts. You get jifts? He does go like jifts. Shoesie mobs shoes gifts. It is jif. End of. Gifts. You got gifts? He does call it gifs. Shoesie mobs shoes gifs. It is gif.

End of discussion. Okay. Anyway. Anyone who says end of discussion is automatically wrong. It's probably gif. There you go. Gif. Thank you.

Gif. But the G is silent. Gif. Yeah. Are we really starting the show by arguing about gif and gif? I'm not arguing yet, but you're going to. No. I have the documents.

All right. If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe, all that stuff. We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. We have clips up throughout the documents. All right. If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe, all that stuff. We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. We have clips up throughout the day. And, my friends, it is happening. The first story, which we are having monitor display problems. I got the story from Patch. Wayne County deadlocks on election results certification.

The vote was along party lines, and the two Republicans on the board voted against certification. This is it. Is this how it starts? Trump's gonna win? Is this how it is? You know what I was thinking? And we'll read through this.

I'll go through the details. But here's what I was thinking earlier. I was like, if Trump wins in Pennsylvania with his Giuliani thing, which it sounded like he wasn't going to win, could this be like election night, but drawn out over a month? Yep. Remember election nights?

Like, they're all cheering. It's slowly coming in. They're all laughing. The New York Times said Hillary Clinton, 99%. And then slowly over the night, it started to shift to Trump, their little meter. And then the Democrats on the left started sweating and getting scared. And then finally, it ended with them dropping to their knees and screaming. And now I'm like, they were literally dancing in the streets. And I'm not saying Trump's

going to win just yet, but I'm looking at this and it's like, if Michigan refuses to certify because of questions, basically, this is really interesting. They're saying there's like unbalanced vote books or something like that. Like there's a discrepancy. It doesn't make sense. And the Republicans are like, I'm not signing off on that. And so now it's got to go to the state board and the state board might be like, I'm not signing off on that either. And then what? It takes me back to like the Middle Ages when you had two popes. I think Trump should just set up basically an office in Trump Tower and declare himself president and start nominating people to Supreme Court. What happens in laws? What happens if we have two people claiming to be president? We had that in 1876.

Yeah, yeah. then they they enacted a panel that came to decide who would be the real president and it was completely partisan and basically they had to cut this deal but yeah and then he stole the election from Samuel Samuel Tilden who was a New York governor at the time wow all right let's let's let's read this we'll get an idea of what's going on they say the Wayne County Board of Canvassers on Tuesday failed to certify the county's November 3rd election results, splitting the vote certify two to two. The vote was along party lines with Monica Palmer, the board chairperson, and William Hartman, both Republicans voting against certification. Board Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch and Alan Wilson, both Democrats, voted in favor. With Wayne County failing to certify

the results, it must provide all election documents to the Michigan Secretary of State office and State Board of canvassers. According to Michigan election guidelines, those entities will then have 10 days to certify the results. So maybe that's what happens. Maybe this is just a fluke. Maybe the Republicans are, oh, I'm not going to do it, but it's going to be done. And Trump's still going to lose Michigan, right? Sure.

That's a possibility. Yeah. I think it's probably a likelihood. You think that? Yeah, right. Yeah. I think what's the bigger. I think I'm shocked to what

extent people on the right have realized this is a long battle and it's not about this particular election and they're realizing there's real value just as there was for the left in 2016 to cast aspersions and muddy the waters and make people not trust the process because at the end of the day an expression i hate but I'm going to use anyway, there's no reason to be represented by someone who doesn't represent you. It's, you know, democracy is this very wacky idea that doesn't really hold up to much muster

if you think about it. So you're saying like the Democrats challenging, disputing all the election, like all of this stuff, the Republicans were like, okay, let's play ball. Yeah, it's like, not only that, at the very least,

there was a couple of people on Twitter who were like these kind of like what you call vichy Republicans who are like, oh, my John Bolton, who should be. Am I allowed to say that he should be in a federal corrections facility? He should be. He should be in prison for a crime. Yeah. Am I allowed to say that? OK, I believe so. I would guess respectfully and cared for very well with with, you know, three meals a day and access to the gym and all that let's put it this way i had a poll on my twitter does john

bolton belong in gitmo and 90 of the people said yes so i'm not taking a stand on that issue um but the point being he for the first time in his life was on abc news with martha radditch her name is uh telling that the republicans have to explain to the voters you know what's going on it's like this is the first time in his life John Bolton told the president not to wage war. It was absolutely amazing. But I think what I think what conservatives and not conservatives and people who are just skeptical of the cathedral, of the corporate press, the people who did Tulsi dirty, the people who did Yang dirty, the people did Bernie Bernie dirty, and all these corporate conglomerates are realizing these are not your friends. Mitch McConnell will always be closer to Joe Biden than he will be to you and vice versa. And I think that populism makes corporate America very, very nervous.

Because they want you at home watching Big Bang Theory, watching ABC News, eat your tripe and swaddle and be happy and be content. And when people are like, I'm not happy. I'm not content. All the messaging after the election, sit down and shut up. Sit down and shut up. Submit. Submit. Submit.

Submit. They spent three, four years looking at irregularities from 2016. They wouldn't spend three or four days looking at irregularities. And it's amazing how when Russia's running the election in 2016, you know, it's a huge threat to our democracy. And now 2020, no evidence. Everything's great. Yeah, Russia's gone. Don't worry about it. You know that John Oliver did a 20-minute segment in November of last year about Dominion voting. I think Dominion specifically. I'm not entirely sure.

But he talked about voting machines and how there was very serious concerns about the lack of security. It's a serious threat. 20 minutes. And he shows all of this evidence. He showed a video where a woman hacked into a voting machine in under two minutes. And then he's all shocked.

He's like, two minutes. It's current year. And then everyone's cheering and laughing. Now he did a segment saying Trump is wrong to suggest there's current year and then like everyone's cheering and laughing now he did a segment saying trump is wrong to suggest there's foul play and these machines are all great and shit sit down and shut up yeah and i think what 2016 was about was a lot of people who didn't care about politics saying yeah i'm not gonna sit down and i'm not gonna shut up and there's nothing you could do about it because i love being an american and and that was, that's actually, it goes back to Reagan Gorbachev. I'm showing

my age if my gray hair didn't do it already. This was like, humor is a great mechanism to undermine, you know, authorities and elites. Go ahead, Tim. No, no, no. She won't. So Reagan was talking to Gorbachev and this is a joke about how like, you know, in Russia, in America,

you know, you could go into the Oval Office, bang your fist on the desk and say, I don't think you're doing – the president's doing a good job. And the Russians are like, we can do the same thing. It's like, really? Yeah, you go to Red Square, bang your fist on Gorbachev's desk and say, I don't think Reagan's doing a good job. So it's ha, ha, ha. But they're very much an attempt on social media to try to be like, OK, this is outside the realm of what is acceptable discussion. And you can't do that when everyone has their own account. It becomes technically and socially

impossible to implement. So let's follow up here because this is where it gets interesting. Why didn't they want to certify? So they say, following the vote, board members argued about allowing politics to become part of the vote. Palmer said she did not have full confidence in how votes were calculated due to a high number of out of balance absentee ballot books and said all votes outside the city of Detroit where the state will take over and work with the clerks. I smell politics, another board member rebuked. Tuesday's meeting, which was held via Zoom for interested members of the public, did not go off without issue. While it was scheduled to begin at 3 p.m., issues caused the meeting to be delayed nearly two hours. The board also capped the online meeting at 100 attendees, meaning many people were unable to attend the public meeting. Capacity was then expanded to 300 people and quickly filled up once more.

Technical issues prior to the start of the recording. Don't really care about this stuff. Canvassers discussed a number of precincts that were out of balance, meaning the number of signatures of people who signed into the polling locations to vote was not the same as the number of people who actually voted at the respective location. That's not possible. There's no evidence that there's any voting not possible. There's no evidence. There's no evidence that there's any voting irregularities.

There's no evidence. You're right. Zero evidence. The only it's so obvious, Michael, the Republicans are just stealing the election. There's no irregularities. They must be lying. Yeah. Yeah.

Think about that, though. What did they say? The number of signatures of people who signed into locations is not the same as the number of actually voted. That's crazy. Did they get the number, the discrepancy number by any chance? Well, they say there's a simple explanation. They say out of balance precincts can be caused by simple events.

However, such as someone visiting a polling location, signing in and then leaving later because the line is too long and they have another obligation. Should the current decision of the board of Wayne County canvassers hold through the adjournment of today's meeting? The board of state canvassers will be responsible for certifying the Wayne County election, Michigan Secretary of State Joycelyn Benson said in a statement. In similar circumstances in the past, state canvassers have appointed the Bureau of Elections to carry out the process of canvassing the vote and voter totals. The Bureau stands ready to fulfill this duty, and we expect this will address clerical errors and improve the quality of the canvas overall. Quote, it is common for some precincts in Michigan and across the country to be out of balance by a small number of votes, especially when turnout is high. Importantly,

this is not an indication that any votes were improperly cast or counted. You see, Michigan election law prohibits a precinct that is out of balance to be recounted, however. Interesting. But the Michigan Secretary of State Office said that in Wayne County, precincts that are out of balance without explanation can still be recounted as long as the number of ballots in the container matches the statement of votes on the tabulator. Many containers have not yet been opened, according to the SOS. Wait, what? How have they not yet been opened?

Don't they got to count them? Wow. They say unbalanced precincts have historically been a problem in Detroit, where 72 percent of polls booked in the August primary were out of balance. Whoa, 72 percent. That's not a simple explanation. How do you how do you explain that? I don't know. I don't have.

They say in 2016, when Donald Trump won a state audit in Detroit, found a series of mismatched Detroit vote totals in the presidential election, attributing them to human error and not widespread voter fraud. During the presidential election, 71% of precincts could not be balanced, but the audit reduced the magnitude of the discrepancies significantly. Dialogue between the county elections worker and board members focused around how the unbalanced precincts weren't just in Detroit, but across the entire county. The worker told board members that due to the significant volume of absentee ballots, local election officials were stretched to the limit. Tuesday was the deadline for counties in Michigan to certify their results.

In Wayne County, Democratic President Joe Biden defeated Trump 587,000 to 264,000. If they don't certify this, Trump goes up, what, 220, 200 some odd, more than that, 260, 280? What is it? I'm bad at math. 200 and some thousand, almost 300,000 votes. But also, it's just going to make both sides think this is something completely fishy and not have any kind of sense of validity in the outcome of the election, which is something that I think is a very healthy phenomenon. This is Trump's political path to victory, not legal. The political path is that, well, it's arguably illegal with no certifications.

If Biden doesn't reach 270, then there's a contingent election in the House of Delegations. It's one vote per state. Right. And the Republicans have that. Yeah. So that Trump will win. Yeah. So it makes you wonder about Trump being so confident. Oh, that's possible. So it's possible that neither will get 270. Yeah. Trump will win. Yeah. So it makes you wonder about Trump being so confident.

Oh, that's possible. So it's possible that neither will get 270. Yes. That's the thing. Yeah. How many? What is Michigan? 16?

I think so. How many electoral votes? Let's check. Michigan results. I have a theory about. Yeah, 16. Yeah. That would put theory about, yeah, 16. Yeah. That would put Biden to 290.

Okay. Then he would. And Pennsylvania's 20. So then he would need to lose one more. Nevada? Oh, my God. Or Georgia. Or Georgia.

I think Nevada makes more sense. So in Nevada, Clark County just negated or they're refusing to certify one election. And that's 153,000 ballots on the line because one of their elections for commission is for I forgot what's county C commission or something like that. They said that there's too many discrepancies, too many ballots with like missing signatures and stuff like that, that could change the results of that race. And so they're going to hold a special election. But Trump is saying, well, that's on the same ballot. If you've got these discrepancies and you're throwing out this election, then, you know, the whole race is, you know, should be challenged.

They're arguing it shouldn't. Maybe Nevada is what, six? Yes. So that would put that would put Biden at 264. Nobody wins. Contingent election. Trump is president. Wow.

I have a theory. I was thinking about this. Why is Trump launching these lawsuits that seem to be almost frivolous? And historically, even though he talks a lot about launching lawsuits, like he said he was going to sue Rosie O'Donnell famously back when they had their feud. And if you go back and look at the clips, they're hilarious. But he never does it. Right. So this is unusual. Trump refuses to concedecede but then he launches a

whole bunch of lawsuits some of which i think the arguments make sense i was i was reading uh you know the way it was described by several different law scholars through various publications was three hail marys that trump would have has these arguments that are kind of ridiculous long shots so we saw rudy giul Rudy Giuliani was litigating today on behalf of Trump or whatever the phrase. I don't know. He was testifying or it's not a criminal case, civil case.

So he was arguing, you know, we've got 682,000 ballots that weren't properly observed. And the judge is basically like, what am I supposed to do? Disenfranchise the whole state? This is crazy. And so a lot of people have been mocking

the Trump campaign. These long shots will never win. Maybe they never were supposed to win. Maybe maybe the lawsuits were just meant to give Trump an excuse as to why he's not conceding. Think about this way. If Trump doesn't concede and the race is called for Joe Biden 306 to 232 and then Trump just says, oh, by the way, I'm not going to concede. I'm also not doing anything else. I'm going to wait. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, the Republicans in Michigan say, we're not going to certify this. And then Trump goes, oh, gee, oh, look at that. It's going to be really weird.

People are going to be like, what is this? Trump refused to concede, waited, and the Republicans didn't certify. He was planning this, right? Yeah. It was a scheme the whole time. Yeah. I'm not saying that Trump actually conspired in any such way, but I will say maybe it's because other people have suggested, you know, on the left that

Trump's lawsuits are meritless. What's he doing? Maybe he was just buying time to get to the certification process. And then one by one, the states refused to certify. And then Trump, that's it. With this announcement that the Wayne County board is not going to certify, Trump no longer needs any lawsuits. He can simply say, did you see what happened in Detroit? Wait, have you looked at his Twitter feed? Has he addressed this? We should look at that. Jenna Elias was his attorney.

She's the one who tweeted this out. Yeah, Jenna Elias, yeah. I'm sorry, yeah. This is such an interesting precedent because I think that once Michigan does this, all these other states are going to feel a little more comfortable to be like, yeah. It's like a domino effect. Exactly. Our election isn't quite on either.

Maybe we're going to have to do what Michigan did. I don't know. Just spitballing. I have no idea. I think you're right that he's buying time. I think so, too. Also, he's using taxpayer money to fund these lawsuits, right? He didn't tweet about it. But what else is interesting is that he is giving his base what they want, which is a finger to the media. The media told them, sit down and shut up. Submit. And he's like, yeah, no, we're not going to

do that. And it's going to drive people that you hate crazy. And that's Joe Biden is Joe Biden, Kamala Harris. They're a lot less upset about this than people like Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo. Why didn't Kamala Harris resign from the Senate? That's such a good question. Is this a punchline? No, it's a question. She has not yet resigned from the Senate.

She couldn't figure out how to unlock her pen? I don't know. She's waiting until the last minute. But so was it Obama who resigned almost immediately? I think Mike Pence didn't though, right? He waited until he was the governor. I'm not saying she has to or she doesn't. I'm saying she's taking it seriously that Trump might win.

Yeah, for sure. So here's what I'm saying. I don't think that's true. I think there might be some votes that are very close between now and january the republicans might do some shenanigans so she doesn't want to lose that seat right exactly yeah if trump wins no but even if trump the point being like the republicans have the senate majority if she leaves the senate they're the democrats down one vote right and they might be trying to pull that's true too that's a good point right right regarding trump and not following through with lawsuits before i was thinking because it was would have been private lawsuits

he had to pay for the rosie o'donnell thing out of his own pocket but i think the taxpayers are paying for these lawsuits of his right now no he's funding them personally oh yes and he's raising money for it for him coming from his campaign or whatever so what i'm saying is right now trump is not tweeting about it he says says, oh, whoa, breaking news. What? I just tweeted about this. Are you messing with me? No. Second, Georgia County finds thousands more votes. Majority for Trump.

This is crazy. Is this happening? This is the... Listen, listen, listen. Listen, hold on. Thank you, Ron. First of all, Trump's not tweeting about Michigan. He's not.

Why not? He's distracting you with Georgia. Yes. Yes. He's... Not just that, he's distracting you with Georgia. Yes. Yes. Not just that, he fired Krebs. Yeah, man. Because the real strategy is one by one, the Republican boards won't certify. Maybe it won't happen.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking. I have no idea. Guys, we're forgetting Hillary Clinton might still become president. And here's how. Oh, no. No, Michael. So what is this? It's her turn.

She just got to get her broom. Oh, my gosh. Check this out. A second county in Georgia has found a memory card with thousands of votes that have not been uploaded. What? The majority of which were for Donald Trump. No evidence.

There's no evidence. No evidence. No evidence. Gabriel Sterling. This is Russian misinformation. I say this is a Russian who's misinformed. OK. Thank you.

Thank you, Michael. OK. Hold on. What's the number? Wow. This is this is insane. insane do you know that i hate chaos it makes me uncomfortable you know when i play when i when i play magic i'm all about red and blue uh for those that aren't familiar it's the chaos colors but uh anyway i digress did you know that 800 2600 votes being found is like historical so i'm reading all these articles you You know,

I think it was Scott Walker who tweeted in recounts. You typically find 100, a couple hundred votes. There's no way Trump is going to overcome these odds in a place like Georgia. Georgia's down. It's the lead is like 13000. Now they found in what was it? Was it Fulton County? They found 2600 votes uncounted, 800 net gain for Trump. That is the second highest, according to a bunch of these articles where they said the most we've ever seen was in Florida. They did the recount in a bunch of different counties, and then Gorg ended up gaining like 1,300. And they said that was massive.

Now they're saying they found 800 for Trump in a recount. Now they're saying they found thousands more. This is historically unprecedented as far as i know but it's also historically largely unprecedented for the media to insist on not looking into things about elections for the media to insist it's over we called it the when kaylee mcinerney white house press secretary a fox news uh you know pulled they, oh, we can't be repeating what she's saying. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that she's saying complete lies and misinformation. It is very important if the White House press secretary who is speaking for the president is lying to the American public. So for us to hear what she's saying, you could go after that

and give context and be like, here's why she's lying and this is wrong. But to not let you hear what is coming out of the White House, I don't think anyone who's a historic leftist would like corporate media to have that kind of power over the government. This was Floyd County where they found 800. They've now found a total of 1,500. Wait, it's called Floyd County? The irony. The irony.

If there's a Georgeorge county this is gonna be amazing yeah so so the second one is fayette county they found 1577 for trump and 1128 for biden biden's statewide advantage is now down to 12 929 in two counties they found these missing votes trump just jumped on a memory card on different memory cards that weren't being uploaded. What? How do you? I'm sorry. OK, let's I'm not going to.

I have my Alex Jones tinfoil hat in my house. I might put it on eBay. The point being, if I'm if I'm working for the county, if I'm trying to get votes counted, how are there not contingencies to make sure that things are uploaded in more than one location? There's backups, especially when dealing about thousands of votes. Like regardless of who you want to be in the presidency, like this is the kind of thing where systems have to be in place. So the human error is not possible. This is very known. Like this is why you balance a checkbook.

Yep. This is crazy. What? Are you messing? Am I being trolled? I'm not. I'm not being. I'm not telling you. I hate trolling.

The recovered votes may also help David Perdue running for Senate. Get the 50 percent. Yes. And then he wins. See, you knew. I knew what? Get to 50 percent. Yeah.

They found ballots and they say he's he's very close. He's 14000 votes away from securing 50 percent and then keeping the Senate. Could you imagine Trump wins? Republican maintain Republicans maintain control of the Senate, gain in the House? All of these Biden people and the Trump people who are dancing in the street are going to have the biggest collective meltdown we've ever seen in our lives. Maybe it won't happen. But at this point, I'm done. I've been saying for a while, I think Biden's going to win. It's the most likely. I'm out. Sorry. No, I have no idea what's going to happen. I could be Trump. This is this is crazy stuff. Look, when I first when I heard when Lydia shows me the phone that Wayne County is refusing

to certify the results, we could throw the could throw the whole state into question. I'm like, no way. Can is this going to happen again? I kind of feel like it might. Nevada, the Clark County thing in Nevada, suit going on in Pennsylvania. Who knows? Do you know what this is? Then I see this thing about the votes. Second county? This is unprecedented.

Do you know what's going to happen if anything like this happens? They're going to do everything in their power to kick out the electoral college. Yeah. Because they're going to be like, we can't have this trust the states to run their own elections. We need to have a national popular vote they're going to put their foot on the accelerator as fast as they can they're going to call for ending they've already been calling for ending the constitution they're going to say this is a ridiculous process that makes no sense not the constitution but for college no i'm saying the constitution who's

calling for ending the constitution the new republic wrote an article saying the left needs to fight to end the written constitution no i'm not kidding oh 100 serious talking about though what do you mean talking about they say the villains need to destroy the constitution is that what they said it was an article the new republic is a leftist publication it's a very prominent one and they said it's time for the left to start fighting to end the constitution but it wasn't like a someone in in the senate that wanted to do no no just leftists but this is their thought leaders yeah these are exactly saying it's crazy just crazy has no meaning in politics they just i mean if you're crazy if you're crazy of power you can do whatever you want the constitution is making

it so that trump might actually have lost the popular vote and the electoral college but still result in trump winning the presidency holler and they're going to argue against the Electoral College? As the founding fathers wanted. Yeah. I mean, to an extent. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's really funny when I see them say democracy is broken. You know, this perhaps a system.

Our democracy. They don't say democracy. They say our democracy, which means their democracy. And they say things like perhaps a system created by 200 year old, you know, 250 year old slave owners was not a good system. And they argue that the Republicans represent the minority of this country. You know, they represent, you know, 13 million less people. And I'm like, that's on purpose. It's literally why the system was created the way it is to prevent majority abuse. I don't think these people realize what it would be like to live in a country of pure democracy, where it's like whatever is popular is mandated. You want minority rule. And there's a really good, a really good example. There was a period when marijuana was the minority and people were going to jail for smoking it. But now one by one, these states are starting to legalize it and starting to become the majority opinion.

You need to create a space where the minority can speak up and say we're going to do this that's why the other college makes sense so that california as its own jurisdiction can say we're legalizing recreational you know pot and then all the other states can start doing it then eventually get a supreme court ruling and boom there it is nationwide legalized yeah under the way they want to see it we would just be an authoritarian lockdown country with everyone would be terrified of what the majority opinion was and it would be lowest common denominator law yeah everything would just be like whatever most people agree with is the law it's not even most people agree with it's whoever they can get the most of the polls right so it's not even about who the voice of the people just about the voice yeah yeah and

they were just talking about like uh voter coercion from like the 1800s. They'd be out there with their guns, you know, making sure people voted or didn't vote or having people vote twice with the disguise on

and all sorts of, yeah, literally. No, he's not joking. No, I know. Like coercion, voting, voter coercion, that kind of thing.

Is there more? No, I was just saying people were saying something about Trump. Michael's hard to hear because of his mask. Oh, it oh it is it is true is that what they're saying no one don't get me sick no one cared who i was until i put on the mask then they were complaining who is this guy you want him sound right all right i did but it was a beautiful all right i committed

to the bit this is a good bit you did you full-on did you know what it was it was because you couldn't get your mouth to the microphone okay Okay. Because you were like floating behind it. And it was also creating like a weird echo. Now you sound normal. So my thought is if Trump loses, Twitter's going to ban him within a week. No, not even within a week. They'll just ban him immediately. Facebook already removed president from his account.

Yeah. You see that? They won't ban him while he's president. Trump's account no longer says president. It says political candidate. Amazing. Dude, we are. He's still the president. I'm. It says political candidate. Amazing. Dude, we are still. I'm sorry.

By every measure. Yes. And I'm telling you, man, we might not be in what people think is like a legit full on ground war. But this is a battle and it's extra judicial. It's extra legal. It is outside the confines of what of anything. And it is manipulation, propaganda and an attempt to seize power, period.

And yeah, in my book the new right i this i talk about this in 1992 pat buchanan who's a very uh complex and troubling figure in many ways got on the floor of the republican convention and said we're in a cultural war and we don't know if barbara bush literally clutched her pearls uh andrew cuomo who was governor of new york at the time said culture what does that word mean the nazis used to use that word you know and they were all freaked out and in that one regard he was absolutely right that there has been a systemic assault for over 100 years uh by certain very nefarious forces on the population this country and only now thanks to the internet my opinion and technology are people realizing oh they've been at this for a long time and these are really bad people i have to you know i have

to wonder about all this and and uh because i've been hearing from a lot of people trump's master plan released the kraken all this stuff and i'm like it's just never happens nothing crazy like this ever happens it's always usually boring 2016 was crazy crazy. It was. I know. It never happened, right? That was nuts. Hillary's emails was so nuts. Crazy year. Bizarre scandal. You look at who Joe Biden is trying to appoint now to his cabinet. Major corporations, banks, lobbyists. He's a corporatist.

Yeah, it's all the same. And you hear what he said? He's not going to go after Trump. Yeah. He's not going to investigate Trump for any of these crimes. And he's going to try and bring unity to the country. This is a thing that I like a lot about Joe Biden. And I think this is going to be hard for people to hear from me because I'm such a fire breather.

He genuinely is, I think, upset by how divided this country is. He genuinely thinks this is an opportunity for him to bring people together. He genuinely has worked very well with Republicans. He boasted about working well with segregationists, for Christ's sake, during the campaign. So I think it hurts him on a visceral level. He's been a senator since 1972 and he's like this, just one more point, this is his opportunity to be like, alright,

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and try to reach out to the other side. I don't think so. Because he opened his campaign talking about Charlottesville, talking about fine people. He lied right out of the gate, right from the beginning. What I disagree, I think what he was trying to do there was divide the trump republicans and the old school republicans the pre-trump republicans and make that coalition i think he's a corrupt dirty rotten liar who's in it to enrich himself and his family and there's a difference

between that and the depravity of like the Clintons, like an old school machine politician who just makes a bank. They all do that. I think that's very different between someone who's that and just really just nefarious. Like when Bill Clinton bombed Sudan during impeachment, like he blew up a factory that was making medicine just to change the headlines. This guy should be in jail and we don't talk about it. Yeah. Do you remember pre were you politically active in the 80s much or before that uh before that i don't know i don't know i don't know if you're 60 or 30 i know i know i know i know i know i'm a witch i'm an ancient evil from time immemorial but no

i was not politically active in the 80s me neither um but the clintons seemed like but the clintons seemed like they were like young I like that he's like, me either. Just so you know. Just asking. But the Clintons seemed like they were like young, cool hippies. And then they just got co-opted. No, what are you talking about? Hillary was a young Republican. She was a Goldwater girl. Yeah, she worked with Goldwater.

Bill was like a hippie smoking weed in the 60s. Right, right, right. David Brock, his book was called The Seduction of Hillary Rodham. And it's all about how she got turned. Yeah, and they got co-opted. They seemed like they got powerry and co-opted. What about the conspiracy that Bill was never actually president, that he was just the

puppet for Hillary? What? That's nonsense. We know that Hillary threw a lamp at him in the Secret Service to know what to do. Chairman Mao's wife. Did you know about this? Yeah. No, I didn't. I wasn't politically active in the 90s. During the whole impeachment drama with Hillary and Bill and bill and monica and all

this there was a huge fight in the white house the private suite and hillary threw a lamp at bill he had a mark on his face the next day wow and there was a discussion in the secret service what's the protocol if the first lady is literally assaulting the president domestic abuse yeah but they didn't know what to do wow what did they do nothing well but well they got murdered clearly they were murdered i think she was the power behind bill that doesn't surprise me no no no no no what happened this is what this is what people this is what the boomer cons don't realize about hillary okay in 93 she campaigned in 92 they campaigned they go two for the price of one right this is all we're gonna i didn't take my husband's name for a long time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She gets in the White House. She says, I want to run something. That was the quote. She just wanted power. They put her in charge of healthcare, which is something she had no experience with. She held the meetings in secret to remake a sixth of the economy. We're just going to just gonna no secret meetings she bungled it so badly

that the republicans got congress for the first time in 40 years and after that they vanished her and rush limbaugh at the time used to have segments on a show called hillary sightings wow because they would just have her like reading children's books like once a month after that because they completely disappeared her because she was so unpopular she only became popular after when she could play the victim card when bill was kind of you know yeah wanking to the white house sink is that what he was doing that was in the star report yeah he beat off into the sink next to the oval office you didn't know this yeah i was a little kid what a good time i mean yeah i know i know the general uh no no he did he finished into the sink okay he probably went out horrible horrible They put it to him on the stand.

You know what? What's that? This is the first I've heard of it. That's awesome. How did that come out? I mean, probably out at the tip. No, no, that's not how I meant. Well, thank you for clarifying.

Oh, God. So she stood by her man. Then they made her governor. Senator. I'm not really political. Do you know where babies come from i'm starting to learn thank you and a president loves an intern very much it looks like he has a box of cigars it looks like chairman mao's wife was the power behind the cultural revolution in china yeah and i wonder if hillary had that kind of psychotic prowess how How insane was it that they tried to run Hillary in 2016?

And who was it? Martin O'Malley? And who was the other? Lincoln Chafee. It was like they had just grabbed some bread. They were trying to find candidates to prop up to make it seem like Hillary was actually running. And they walked into the hallway and they grabbed the janitor and the building manager. But they also grabbed Bernie and he almost won.

No, Bernie wasn't supposed to be. No, he wasn't, yeah. It was the internet, which is why Barack Obama is so scared of the internet right now. Oh, tell me about that. Oh, yeah. That is a great Tim Pool segue.

That's a great segue. Do you have a musical cue? Tim Pool segue. What a coincidence. We have an article about this. Obama said the internet is, quote, the single biggest threat to our democracy why because people were sharing memes of pepe the frog and then they voted for donald trump i think i see a perspective

of what he might have meant that corporate power is the most yeah that's right and like twitter that's a barack obama met corporate power i don't know i know i do know maybe he meant like twitter being able to ban whoever they want because it seems like a very vague statement i want to know the greater are you being ironic no i'm just wondering what the greater context the greater context actually is not as nefarious as the headlines make it out to be what's the context let's read the quote obama said now you have a situation in which large swaths of the country genuinely believe that the Democratic Party. Let me be clear. Let me be clear.

Let me be clear. Is a front. I was born overseas for a ring. And he says, I was a significant of live birth. I was talking to a volunteer who was going to door to door in Philadelphia in low income African-American communities and was getting serious. We was getting questions about QAnon conspiracy theories. He was asked, is this new malevolent information architecture bending the moral arc away from justice? He said, I think it's the biggest threat to our democracy.

Later in the interview, Obama makes it quite clear that much of his concern is specifically about the internet, which he is also quite clear isn't going away. And the big platforms that sort of that sort and distribute most of the internet for most people. He said, I don't hold the tech companies entirely responsible because this predates social media it was already there but social media has turbocharged it i know most of these folks i've talked to them about it the degree to which these companies are insisting that they are more like a phone company than they are like the atlantic i do not think is tenable i actually agree with that this it's it's bunk i agree with him yeah i'm with you yeah they are making editorial choices whether they've buried them in algorithms or not the first amendment doesn't require private

companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there at the end of the day we're going to have to find a combination of government regulations and corporate practices that address this because it's going to get worse if you can penetrate crazy lies and conspiracy theories just with texts imagine what you can do when you can make it look like you or me say anything on video and we're pretty close to that now goldberg says it's the famous steve bennett strategy flood the zone with human waste he swore but you know we don't he said if we do not have the capacity to distinguish what's true from what's false then by definition the marketplace of ideas doesn't work and by definition our democracy doesn't work. And by definition, our democracy doesn't work. We are entering into an epistemological crisis. So I think it's amazing the idea that the marketplace of ideas doesn't work. But having corporations and government work together to tell you what the truth is,

is really a healthier alternative. I know that's not the academic definition of fascism that all the leftists like to use. No, that's the Mussolini. Mussolini invented fascism. Right, right, right. But the actual like now academic is ultra-nationalism, everything – the individual is sacrificed for the greater good of the state. Let me – so – But right, the lucrative merger of corporations and states. So Mussolini – there's an amazing book by John Diggins that came out in the 70s called Mussolini and Fascism and View for America.

Before Hitler, Mussolini was really looked at as this great, great figure. I talk about this also in the new right because you had the Great Depression. Capitalism doesn't work. You don't want to be like Russia. This was the third way. Mussolini was regarded as the moderate figure. And fascism is based on a rejection of reason. And it's about the will and the will to power. When Obama says, yes, we can, that is quintessential fascism. It's just

a fascism with a smile on its face and that people like, but that is the idea. It's like, okay, Mussolini, how are you going to make the railroads run in time? And you're going to have this spending on military and you're going to give everyone a job. We'll figure it out because we're Italians and we can do it. That is the fascist model. Now, of course, the term has a very nefarious context because you got in bed with Hitler and he's not exactly a nice person. But yeah, it's always been part and parcel of American culture. This is the crazy thing about all the lockdowns right now and what they're planning.

So, you know, just going back to this stuff about Donald Trump potentially winning, if you care about individual freedom, if you care about the right of the working class, if you care about wealth inequality, you do not want Joe Biden to win this. But I want to go back to what Obama's saying, because this is something that's a huge white pill for me and I think for a lot of people. in fact i tweeted about this uh and i got more likes than the the vox article about it the point being they're scared because people aren't looking at them as arbiters of truth anymore right they're telling you this is what's true and a lot of people are saying well whatever you say the opposite's true yeah but then there's a lot of people saying okay what's the alternative let

me hear the other side and for a very long time uh the left couldn't even handle fox news existing the fact that fox news is there and has some kind of alternative to like textbook npr atlantic new republic uh chicanery was drove them crazy and now, I mean, they should be so thankful that it's just Fox News because things have gotten much – Well, now it's Newsmax. And then OAN and the internet and Infowars. Do you see Newsmax's ratings? Are they good? Through the roof, like 750% increase in the span of a week.

Wow. What happened? I've never even heard of them before. Fox News is doing a really, really awful job covering what's going on with the election. Now, it's true there's people who want confirmation bias, but it's also true that I'm sitting there watching Fox News, and then they have John Roberts say, there is no evidence of voter fraud. And I'm like, what?

There's tons of evidence. Wasn't John Roberts the one who was talking about how everyone needs to leave the media alone, stop picking on the media? Let me say something. The corporate press is factual but not truthful. There you go. So there is no evidence of voter fraud. We're not talking about voter fraud. We're talking

about lost votes. No, there is evidence of voter fraud. Okay, but he was just wrong. Okay, then I'm wrong. So I'm trying to make him out to be better than he is. They're playing semantic games. They're trying to replace the word evidence with definitive proof. Right. They're also trying to make it seem like the evidence that needs to be presented to start an investigation is like a videotape of somebody,

you know, tearing a ballot. No, no, no, no, no, not even that, because that's not widespread. You need evidence of 7000, a video of 7000 people all going, we're switching votes for Biden. We're switching votes for Biden, singing a song and shuffling the push broom into a fire pit. It could skip. Yeah, it would be. That's what they expect. There is evidence. I'll give you one example.

Nashawn Garrett appeared on Laura Ingraham saying he got a call from the Voter Integrity Fund. They asked him if he requested an absentee ballot in Arizona. He said, no. Did you vote? No. Well, someone did. He said that straight up on TV.

Maybe he's lying, but that's still evidence because the definition of evidence is the available body of information suggesting something may be or signs or indications that something may be. If someone comes out, he's Olympic, he's training for the Olympics as a guy of seeming great repute and honor is saying that wasn't me. I didn't do that. OK, we got evidence of voter fraud. Is it systemic voter fraud? No. But the way I put it is like this. Imagine you're walking down the street and you're in you're in New York City and there's this big building when all of a sudden you hear a fire alarm going off and you go, oh, geez, a fire alarm. So you call 9-1-1 and they say 9-1-1 emergency response. There's a fire alarm going off. I'm on Fifth and, you know, A Street or whatever. And they go, well, do you have evidence

there's a fire? Well, the fire alarm is going off. I don't know. I'm not going in the building. Well, we don't have evidence of a widespread fire in the building, so we're not going to bother investigating at all. Right. The alarm is going off. That is when the fire department comes out, goes in the building, walks out, false alarm, guys. Someone just tripped the alarm.

We reset it. We're good to go. Or they go and say, wow, there's a big fire. What's happening now is we have sworn affidavits. We have whistleblowers. We have massive irregularities. We have the Voter Integrity Fund saying that they found thousands of instances in many different states of people who have moved, changed their addresses and still voted. And now they're saying they found around they did a random sampling of

around 1700 Republicans asked them, did you request an absentee ballot? About 500 said no. The remainder, they said yes, and they sent it in. But around 450, they say the voting system never received their mail-in ballots. What? Massive discrepancies. So we've got smoke coming out of the windows, and we've got the alarm going off, and they're telling us when we call 911, but that's not evidence of an actual fire. Are you seeing the actual fire window there's a fire meanwhile right if you go to wikipedia right now and look up the entry for the 2016 election the very first paragraph front center excuse me it's that pizza uh it says there was evidence found that russia tried to interfere

in the election now what that means is yeah if i buy five facebook ads then i'm tried to interfere in the election. Now, what that means is, yeah, if I buy five Facebook ads, then I'm trying to interfere with the election. It's factual, but not truthful. Technically correct. Yeah. Because like if you did, it wouldn't be like America. Or if I were Russia, for example. Or if you were an American, they wouldn't say America is trying to interfere.

They'd say Michael Malice. Right. So to go back to the point we were bringing up that brought us into that conversation is Newsmax. So when Fox News, let me start with this. Chris Evans posted this clip, famous Captain America, sevens. And it's John Roberts saying Trump's campaign has said not all legal votes have been cast or counted and not all illegal votes have been excluded. Where they're coming up short is evidence and our evidence of fraud or whatever.

And then Chris Evans starts laughing like, like, did you Google search it? Because that's not true. John Roberts was not reporting the truth because the lawsuits from Trump. And it's another thing they do. I can't remember which I was watching CNN reality check. They said in Trump's lawsuit, they come out and admit there's no voter fraud. And then they show a highlight on the on the forums and they don't highlight the portion where it says we're arguing about 529 ballot irregularities. And then the judge says, so you're not arguing fraud. Not to my knowledge here, sir. They weren't saying there was no fraud, period.

It was one lawsuit about 500 ballots. The judge said, are you implying there's fraud on these ballots? No, these are about improperly filled out ballots. They took that clip factual, but not truthful to manipulate people. So in terms of Fox News, you've got regular people who are like, I literally watched a video of this thing happen. And Fox News said it didn't happen later. And they go to Newsmax or they go to OAN. Newsmax seems to do a fairly good job, though they are extremely biased. But I'll tell you my favorite part of all of this is we hear what what Barack Obama is saying about the Internet, right? Brian Stelter of CNN said it's a threat to our democracy that conservatives are going to Newsmax and Parler because they're not being kept in the confines of the cathedral.

It's our democracy always means do what we want. It's interesting that phrase is getting such – it's such a begging the question kind of thing, assuming that what you're trying to prove when you use that our democracy. You do not regard the people who view things differently than you as part of your democracy. You view them as illegitimate, deplorable, evil. Ugly chumps. Who need to be cast out. Yeah. Ugly chumps.

Well, he's not awfully wrong. Okay. That's fair. I get real triggered when they say the american people whenever someone says that and tries to talk about 350 million of us like they know what we're thinking drives me insane no they don't they don't yeah they don't care about people and it's it's you know maybe a long time ago the inception of this country it made sense when a congress a congressperson would represent back then congressmen would represent 30,000 people. Now with 750,000, all they're doing, especially in

Senate races and for a federal federal elections, they're going, they look at numbers, raw numbers, the ratings. It's not about the individuals and what they need is about the ratings. So they're looking at this the same as like a TV show is looking at. How did we do in last night's debate? Did we score good in the ratings? And what they – I'm using an analogy, but it's basically how many people liked the show. That's it. I don't think it's – I think it's more nefarious than that. What do you think?

Like, for example, when Chris Wallace is moderating the debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and he explicitly says when they're trying to teach critical race theory and he calls it sensitivity trainings. All they're teaching is not to be rude to someone who's an immigrant. He didn't even say critical race theory. He said, Trump, you recently banned sensitivity trainings. And then I was like, what? No, he didn't. Did you even read it? That's not what he banned.

And also, to categorize it in that specific way, that's a valid point of view. It's not your place to qualify it and say this is what it means. Let each candidate say their point of view, especially if someone banned it. Why did you ban it? Explain to me. Right.

That wasn't a debate. It was literally just set up against Donald Trump. And what I think what's interesting is Fox, which has, I think, by far the most loyal audience of all the networks. I think the average Fox viewer watches like 12 hours a day. They are feeling really betrayed that the Fox isn't acting like people who watch CNN thinks Fox acts. Yeah. Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly in 2020 and 2016 were by far the hardest moderators on Donald Trump. Yeah. you've it's really funny because the left keeps saying like whenever fox says something that's bad for trump they go wow even fox news is saying it even mitt romney voted right yeah yeah yeah mitt romney we all think he's you

know a bastion of conservatism corporate politicians who who pretend to represent the people and we're supposed to be surprised but i'll'll tell you what's crazy is regular people are being snapped out of this and it's like a cascade effect. I guess you call it a white pill. Like, what is that? That's the red pill. The white pill is hope. But yeah, the red pill.

No, that's what I mean. I mean, the white pill, like from seeing all these people wake up, it's that there's a path to victory. Exactly. We thought, here's the definition of the white pill. Hold on.

I wrote it down last time I was here because I want to get the wording exactly right. I have the documents. He does. I have the documents. He does. I have the documents. Knock, knock. Who's there? Sandy.

Sandy who? Didn't you get enough trouble with that, Alex? I didn't use that one in the air. This is the white pill. This is the official definition, you internet nerds. It's possible we will lose. It's impossible that we must lose. That's all you need. And now, increasingly, people are just saying, I'm sick of it. Because in 2008, as I tweeted out, Barack Obama used the internet to

get elected. Data mining in 2012, they were all filleting him, so excited, this guy's the greatest thing ever. He used Facebook leverage thing. And that they it goes the other way the internet's the biggest threat to our democracy you don't have to have a view on obama or the internet to be like someone is not keeping their story straight it's like a husband is cheating on you at a certain point you're like these stories just don't add up i don't believe you you know it's weird this show has some kind of barrier. Don't ask me why. It's the beanie. We had on Alex Jones. It's the tinfoil. The cognitive dissonance.

No, it's the tinfoil hat. That's the barrier. Not only did we have on Alex Jones with Michael, the show got pulled by YouTube. Nobody wrote about it. Just the Washington Times. It's cognitive dissonance. What is? People are unable to qualify.

What do they write about? It de-verifies. They write about Joe Rogan all the time. No, they don't know where to, if they start to accept some of the things we talk about or some of the things it will, it will viscerate their, their worldview. So they're in their mind. It's like incapable. It's what they call cognitive dissonance.

This is, this is the point I made like in the last four years. What if instead of Trump being literally Hitler, he's just like a jerk. What if he's like a mediocre like william mckinley president right but if he's just like mediocre and like a c minus the whole story falls apart right because then it's like why am i supposed to be upset because guys it kind of sucks you know but it has to be that he's the worst existential threat america's ever had so it's like they don't know how to deal with things that don't fit into their convenient packaging. It's a complicated system. I don't like saying the average person because I can't speak for other people.

But just trying to learn about the World Economic Forum and things outside of the global, the American government. Even the American government itself is super complex. So to say the president is pretty average, kind of C minus, D plus maybe. Yeah, I agree with you. Well, I don't think you were actually saying that about Trump. No, but I'm not saying that about Trump. But the point is like what if he was? Because we all know he's like A plus plus, S class.

A plus plus, C minus. He's a very stable genius. Yes, indeed. Which is more than obvious. So you agree he's not the villain. If you were to go this route, he's not the villain. You know what he's going to say? He's going to say I accomplished everything I wanted to in four years so i didn't need a second term oh snap

you're right i think you might be right and then he'll say i never lost it was stolen he'll never admit defeat or i mean we're looking at some goings on and maybe he's just like i won i won the whole time listen this wouldn't be the first time a cop stole something. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Civil asset forfeit. Yeah. Did you guys hear Jack Dorsey testified?

Yeah. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of time. He actually said that centralized adjudication of social networks is not scalable. What is that?

Jack Dorsey has been whispering sweet nothings into the ears of everyone for the past several years. And I sat in front of him and he said all of the same things he's repeated over and over again. And he is lying. He's saying that.

Every time. Lying or delusional? He's lying. I think he doesn't have power. What's he saying that's inaccurate? So he said, we want to have a path to redemption. Two years ago. He's been saying we don't have bias years ago.

I explained to him how his bias exists in the rules and he still feigns ignorance. There's no way at this point he's like, I didn't realize that. I don't think he owns it. You don't know that though. It could be people's brains are complicated things. I'm just playing devil's advocate. It could be that when you say things that don't port into his larger worldview, he literally can't process it. I've DMed with him.

Okay. I'm talking to him. No, for sure. Sure. I think it's like every single time something bad happens, it's really obvious. He goes, that was a mistake and we're fixing it. And it's like, oh, it was really obvious. He goes, there was a mistake and we're fixing it. And it's like, oh, it was a mistake. You know, there was a poll that came out.

There's actually two polls showing that when people learned of Hunter Biden scandal, they regretted voting for Biden. Oh, wow. And they said the percentage point was like five or six percent, which clearly would have given Trump the victory if people had known the media kept this a secret. Social media banned the information because they are trying to help. They want to help Joe Biden win. These look, I think it's indisputable at this point because they didn't ban Trump's tax returns. They didn't ban the leaked tapes of Melania.

They didn't ban the Edward Snowden leaks. This was I think Ted Cruz brought this up. Maybe it's Ted Cruz. Did you ban the Edward Snowden? What about Julie Swetnick with Kavanaugh? So that wasn't hacked information though, right? No. The argument was, well, we only banned this because we presumed the information was hacked and we made a mistake. But what about the Pentagon Papers? This is their big thing. It's like this is secret government information.

This is the New York Times at its finest. It's obviously a lie. It's obviously a lie. So when they were asked about Trump's tax returns, said well they were reporting on them not giving out the documents or whatever it's like okay well what about the the leaked melania tapes whereas money was secretly recorded well that's not hacking you know what dude they look oh good what about mary trump her book she this is i thought look i hacked information no no but mary trump secretly courted her aunt who's a judge or retired judge.

And the aunt was saying horrible things about her brother, Donald. And it's just like you reported that perfectly fine. So the point is, Twitter makes up this new excuse. If it's hacked information, we won't allow it, even though it wasn't. But there is an excuse. It's easy for them to always have an excuse for why they are subverting our commons, our ability to vote, our institutions. There's always an excuse. This is from the New York Times.

Dorsey only owns 2% of Twitter now. So I don't think he has like no power anymore. I think he's a figurehead. He gave it up. So he's just saying all of these things that have nothing to do with the company. And he has no power to change it anymore. Probably. Yeah.

But he did acknowledge that centralized adjudication basically what he was saying is that um a company trying to be the arbiter of what can come and go and be banned and is is not scalable it's not you have to have self-reporting and things like that yeah it's the data is not it's impossible and that i think obama was kind of goes along with what obama was saying about the danger of these social media companies controlling the narrative. But what I don't think they appreciate just from – and maybe this is going to be concern trawling. I don't know. But like in the 90s when you had the project, I forget what it was called. Tipper Gore was involved and a few other people.

And they were saying that there was all these songs on the radio that were like a problem. You can't have a – Cyndi Lauper's Shebop was one of the songs that they were trying to get banned because it's about pleasuring yourself apparently. So their solution – Madonna was okay though? Yeah. I don't know. I think Madonna was also on that list. Their solution was when you have a CD in the store to have a big warning label.

It contains explicit lyrics. Well, that's how you know what the good CDs are, right? So it's the kind of thing where it's like, oh, this is misinformation. That's like planting a flag encouraging people to look into it. Yeah, there's a bunch of memes now going around where people will say something and then put a misinformation. So during these hearings, first of all, I want to say this about these hearings. They had, you know, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, and it is a big waste of time.

I don't believe anyone's going to do anything. The Republicans go, I'm grandstanding. Listen to me. You censor people. Mr. MySpace man. There you go. And that's it. Remember Tucker Carlson?

I think it was Jim Jordan or Kevin McCarthy on. And he's like, OK, we're having investigation. This is ridiculous. And Tucker's like, you've had four years. What do you do now? Are you kidding me? And he didn't have an answer. There was a big.

Because they don't want to. They don't care. They're like, that's what I was saying about. They just look at you like ratings. And right now, these Republicans in Congress are giving a good show. I'm addressing your concerns. No, you're not. Did you see the Ted Cruz?

These people aren't on Twitter anymore. Ted Cruz gave like a two and a half minute impassioned speech about how the Democrats were trying to subvert our democracy and our speech. And it was but there was it was just Ted Cruz talking like there was no I was like, OK, I'm going to see see the people the things they're saying that he's complaining about none of that it was just people are realizing that they fight in public and the laugh at you behind your back yeah that it's all a show and they all collude what do we do except for trump i think he laughs behind our back i don't think so he's laughing in front of us too yeah yeah i think i think trump is just straight up insulting people laughing but i tell you this behind behind closed doors i know trump's really angry with and pointing the finger at and laughing at the establishment the intelligence agencies not the regular people but i look at

people like hillary clinton she's the kind of person what was that you know that story where she was she was on a plane and it was with the air force and she held up her wine glass and went to like an air force like officer who's yeah commander like give me wine glass and went to like an Air Force like officer. Yeah. Commander, like, give me more wine. And he's like, what? What? Like, I'm I'm I'm in the Air Force flying a plane.

You're on. And she was like, get it. Get it out of my cauldron. Go get me. Yeah. Get me one ladle full of my potion. What about when she was first lady and she was telling the Secret Service to carry her bags? And they're like, man, we need our hands free so we can protect you.

And she's like, well, what the F good are you then? Yes. She's the kind of person who goes behind closed doors and laughs about the rabble. I don't see Trump as being like that. No. Well, he would complain about his servants if he was in the private sector. No, no. I don't believe it.

I'm just we're all just assuming. No, no, no, no, I'm just, I'm just, we're all just assuming. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, She's like, carry my bag. She's a straight up bee. I don't think. Look, Trump probably talks smack about everybody. But here's the thing. We know he does. So that's the thing. I don't think Trump is making fun of mocking and belittling regular people. When he's a guy who says when he eats fast food all the time and he does and he always has. I don't see him as the guy coming out and going like these disgusting filth peasants eating their disgusting food. No, he's going to mcdonald's

so so he does kind of rag on a lot of people he's got a mouth on him huh but hillary clinton and probably joe biden and a lot of these people are the kind of me romney definitely yeah the the the 47 percent was that was that romney yeah when he's like yeah they the rebel oh heaven forbid they get in our rooms donald trump has mcdonald has McDonald's at the White House for regular people. He has a well-done steak with ketchup. And Mitt Romney won't even drink caffeine. Wow. Freak religion. Isn't Donald Trump like he's never had alcohol?

He's never had drugs? No, that's a lie. That's a lie. Really? Because there's a book my buddy Alan Salkin wrote about – I forget what it's called. Basically, The Method to His Madness. And it talked about back in the day, he'd be down at the club

and he'd have, you know, champagne or wine in his hand. So he says he's a teetotaler, but apparently- He's a freaking liar. He's a germaphobe. He is.

Okay, so he avoids alcohol because his brother died of alcoholism-related problems. But I mean, you would think, I can understand how after that you would never drink again,

but before that? I think he, well, alcoholism ran in their family, didn't it? His brother was a super alcoholic. His dad was an alcoholic, I think, too. Fred? That makes sense to me. Michael, assuming that all these people are crazy psychopaths.

They're not crazy. These representatives, what's the answer? I'm not allowed to say. Give me a little. No, we'll get banned. Just slide it over. Come on. Do you mean like what kind of trebuchet?

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What angle? No. What's the gravity? Nope, nope, nope. Where would you aim? I'm going to be serious.

I think that I'm talking about this in my next book that I'm writing now, which is being, it's taking forever to write. The point is because people a lot like talk about it's like 1984. It's very Orwellian. And I've always maintained it's much closer to Brave New World by Aldous Huxley where the elites rule not through force, not through threats of force, but by using pleasure, by keeping you numb. Watch these stupid movies. Pills. Pills.

Bread and circuses, man. Literal pills. Yeah, bread and circuses, man. Literal pills. Yeah, red and circuses. And I think it's going to be very easy once people realize, wait a minute, these people are horrible and they don't represent me. I have nothing in common with them.

Why am I locked in my house while Gretchen Whitmer is doing whatever she wants, getting Botoxed on her yacht? This is not happening. And I think this is why I'm having – I sound like Joe Biden now. I can't even say it. You're eating too much pizza. Yeah, or not enough. have been over this past year throughout this country with the reaction to the election, which has been very ahistorical on the right, very much not even a pretense of like, we're

going to listen to this, that like it's being regarded as a complete farce. Yeah. That I don't know how to reconcile those two things. This is kind of crazy because one of the reasons I didn't vote in 2016 is that I have absolutely no faith in the electoral process. I was like, what's the point? You know, the two-party system, the people you want, they never get elected. They lie.

They get elected. Then they do whatever they want. They appoint the same people. And then all of a sudden, Donald Trump got elected. And I was like, wow. I was laughing. This dude kicked in the doors. What are people saying?

It's a bull in the cathedral. He's running around. Well, China shop. Yeah, yeah. I say bull in the ivory tower. But, you know, cathedral probably works better because it encompasses more than just politics. Yeah, Hollywood's not the ivory tower. Right.

And Hollywood's a major part of this. Right. So Trump kicks in the door, and then all of a sudden I'm like, hey, well, I guess you can win. Now things are kind of different because at first I was thinking like you can actually win. The system actually works. Now I'm looking at everything that's going on right now. Clearly the system isn't working. I mean, well, I shouldn't say it that way what i should say is the the the front door of the

machine is in not opening i guess i don't i don't want to say the machine is broken the system isn't working because trump is going through all these processes but clearly it's not what anyone expected you'd vote we're done have a nice day now it's just the craziest election of my life trump taught the out group and i don't mean just, you know, certain Republicans. I mean, like leftists who are part of the who are like the Bernie people who got kicked out of the process in 2016 and 2020, especially. He taught them we can win. And he also taught them even if we lose, we can have a lot of fun and make some really bad people really upset as part of the process. And that's a bell they can't unring.

And that's really freaking them out. Can you imagine? It's like 100 years from now. And there's like little kids are running to school and they're wearing their little red hats. And there's a statue of Donald Trump. And it's like Donald Trump high. And there's a bunch of high schools across the country, across the planet that are named Trump. And they're like, 100 years ago, Donald Trump, you know, led this country to great.

Like, could you imagine that historical moment? They look back at Trump that way. I think it's going to be very hard to imagine a building with the word Trump on it. I know. That'd be ridiculous. The school, the schools are going to have like a gigantic golden sign of his name. No, but I mean, like, could you imagine if that's where we really end up? Like, for all of his problems, he's the he's actually the guy who gets the regular people to to you

know take back their liberty break out of this this uh this numbness essentially i could see him leaving office and repurposing his wealth to do incredible futuristic technologies and be looked at no i don't see trump no way i mean he got all this money, and now he's got all this reason to buck the system. Trump is not a technology person. I know, that's the problem. If Trump would take his money, he'd build a building. He's going to buck the system

by revising the entire media. That's his jam. By a news organization. Yeah, it's a news organization. Trump isn't the cause of all this, though. Trump didn't start this. He's just the avatar of the energy and the anger. Yes, and they don't realize that.

Again, i think we talked about this last week they thought they kill the head vampire movie's over that's not how it works well now they're writing that they got to go after trumpism yeah trump is that was like the day after the election that that word but i also think that's them desperate to keep up their their golden goose yes like you know they they gutted it they're like okay well if you know if trump lost what do we do? What do we write about Trumpism? And there's actually a Wikipedia page for Trumpism.

Like, I kid you not. And I'm like, what is it? And it's basically it said ruling by promising people things and like offering up division as a means of excuse. What everyone does. It's like it's like it's it's a politics, basically. Yeah. Trumpism. And it's part of a series on conservatism in the United States. Oh, boy.

Oh, yeah. So I don't know, man. Do you think seeing what's going on in Wayne County? This did. I mean, well, actually, we were talking earlier and it kind of sounded like we were both in agreement that Trump's on the outs, right? Yes. Now, how do you feel?

I still feel that way, but I still think he's not. Did like his percentage go up a little bit? No, I think the percentage of something black swan went up. What does that mean? Meaning something that neither of us saw the funny third day. Like just some weird outlier. It's not – I'm sorry to interrupt you. It's not impossible that, God forbid, something happens to Trump or Biden still.

And then what happens? Right now, I don't know what would happen um my understanding and i could be wrong is if biden something happens to him he's out of the race the race isn't certified the election is not certified so if biden is unable to run his the votes that went to biden are they don't go to camel they don't go they don't go not you vote for the individual you're not yeah exactly and so what would happen is then they would say okay then who got the most votes donald trump did could you imagine or each state picks right and then it could be the the democrats or it could be someone else it could be like mike pence what do you mean

like i i think the isn't it my understanding that states can vote whoever they want uh the state legislators decide how the electors have to vote that's the supreme court ruling my point is i don't think they have to choose between the top two at that point. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. Well, actually, most states have a law that says they have to vote

for the person who received the most votes. But if that person is gone for whatever reason, then what happens? It's Trump. If you're in an election and you have 10 votes

and I have nine and you drop out of the race, then the person with the most votes is me. You're not in the race anymore. No, but I had the 10 votes. I don't think it works that way. That doesn't make sense. You know what?

I think what would happen very quickly is that people who – lawyers who think like you had your argument. Lawyers think like me have my argument. And then it's going to be a crisis, obviously. And that could seriously happen. Trunin on a shot but a pressure. Could you – like he said that. He's going to win, dude. He said trunin on a shot, but a pressure. Could you? He said that. He's going to win, dude.

He said Trudin on a shot, but a pressure. I'm getting that feeling of just giving up where I had it with Hillary Clinton. I was like, dude, you can't beat the machine. You know what I was thinking? It's going to be Joe Biden and he's going to be standing. They're talking about not even having an inauguration because of COVID. But in reality, it's because privately they're saying this was reported by Politico, I think it was Politico, they're scared that it's only going to be Trump supporters who show up.

It's going to be a sea of people pulling out Trump flags. So he's going to rule from his basement? So he's going to hide. That would be seriously unprecedented. My understanding is that he wants to harken back to when Americans were united and he's going to be inaugurated using FDR's wheelchair. Before the internet? You're joking.

I'm joking. I think they're hiding it. What happens if Joe Biden using FDR's wheelchair. Huh. You think so? Before the internet? You're joking. I'm joking. Yeah. No, I think... Dude, I think they're hiding it. What happens if Joe Biden puts his hand on the Bible, raises it... It starts smoking. Yeah, and then his hand

bursts into flames. He goes, it wasn't supposed to be a real Bible. No, but he puts his hand on the Bible and then they say, you know,

I solemnly swear, I solemnly swear to uphold the Constitution of these United... To uphold the consternation of these United States, and to swirly, you know, blah, blah, blah. I don't know the actual oath. Do you know what happens then? And then he falls over.

No, it depends. It depends. Oh, okay. That is an ageist joke, Michael. We don't allow those in studio. No, but I hate ageists. They're the worst. Oh, my gosh gosh did you ever

see that video get it out where there was it was in the uk there was an ad in the newspaper that said they were they were it was a room for rent no asians and so this journalist saw it and was like this is blatantly a violation of the law it says no asians so he goes to the guy and the guys he's like did you say in your ad no asians and he goes yeah they're terrible people it's ragging on him and then he was like why why would you say that he goes yeah they're terrible people it's ragging on him and then he was like why why would you say that he goes because they just want to take your money and he goes wait what yeah you got to pay him a fee just to list your building because he had a heavy accent no agents oh my god and so they put in the ad asians oh wow yeah anyway what were we talking about

before joe biden winning yeah so joe biden's gonna be at the inauguration and i'm just saying what if this happens he's reading the oath and then he keels over likely what if he can't speak it what if they're like saying he goes it's your major conservation so i think in that case the republicans are gonna fight that he's still the president and the democrats are gonna fight for kabel harris so uh well no if they would go to nancy pelosi why because uh if there's no if no one gets inaugurated on the 20th on the 20th Harris. Well, no. It would go to Nancy Pelosi. Why? Because if no one gets inaugurated on the 20th, it goes to the next person in line who is in office, and it's Nancy Pelosi.

So the Congress gets their... They get sworn in or whatever early January. So if there's no president on the 20th, then Nancy Pelosi is duly sworn in. So that would only be that day. But if he were to... Wait, when's the vice president sworn in? Same day, right? After the fact, uh right after the fact i don't know i don't know but that's what everyone's saying if they don't if they don't uh inaugurate a new president on the 20th trump is out and the next person who is in office but they're not

inaugurating the president and the vice president so if that if joe biden god forbid keels over that minute we have a vice president who's i don't think it would work that way i don't think so that that is how if the president dies – He's not sworn in. Okay. I see what you're saying. But it might be because I was reading something about – there's a provision in the Constitution saying that they would immediately give it to the vice president-elect. Yeah.

So I think it would immediately go to Kamala. But what I was reading, it's like – it was specifically outlining when that happens, and i don't know if it's in that scenario but there's a scenario where it's like apparently if there's like a legal dispute then they will give it to the vice president-elect or something weird i think that was the season finale of veep what that literally was the season i don't watch i've never seen that happened on veep sorry spoil everything people yeah no i was reading there's like a second to last season that's how it ended but that's probably because it's based on the actual constitution. That's why it happens. No, this stuff is not in the constitution.

No, I was reading a provision from the constitution that was explaining when they would bypass the president-elect for the vice president-elect. It happens. I'm not arguing that that's not the law. I'm saying I don't think that's in the constitution, that scenario. All these things that you're spelling out are such complicated explanations of the law that they're not addressed. The Constitution is very, very bad about a lot of this stuff. Very simple. Too simple.

Yeah. And a lot of these things like the 22nd Amendment, whatever it was, where they have to be like, okay, 25th Amendment. Like that's them being like – because at first, you didn't even have separate votes for the president and the vice president. You had the tie with Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr in 1800. So it gets complicated. You had to to whoever got the second most became vice president yeah could you imagine president biden vice president trump wow might not be a bad thing i mean i think i think that was a better system because then you had competing factions but yeah yeah i mean you you'd end up with competing ideologies but having that you know level of

power that seems to make more sense they changed it now you have one party getting the boot and one party taking over also the 17th amendment man that's that was a terrible idea is that i think slavery no the 17th was appointing senators by popular vote oh of course that's a terrible idea it used to because what it did in my opinion i was reading about it is that it's uh took away states uh like state political activity essentially right people used to actually care about who they would vote for for their state legislature now they don't know or care and it was supposed to be that the state representatives would vote for a senator to go and represent the state to the federal government makes a lot of

sense they passed the 17th for a bunch of reasons, and one of which was like elites were paying for senatorships and stuff like that because it was really easy to bribe 10 people to like get you the vote or six to get the majority. And so they're like, we'll do it by popular vote. And that basically then I'll put it this way. You know, it's really funny is when people are like you see these commercials and it'll be a congressman or a senator or congresswoman or whatever. And they're like, I'm going to clean up our district district it's like you're a federal representative you don't clean up our district you represent us to the federal government it's our local politicians who are going to clean up our streets why are you campaigning as if you're going to do something here they don't what have what here's a complete non-sequitur but that's okay that kim girl from

baltimore did she win did she do well no not when yeah she's a classic kim classic yeah who did better here or laura loomer uh i think percentage wise i think laura may have okay oh so she got kim got completely clean i mean she i don't know the the actual results okay but but i'm pretty sure they're both in like very heavily democrat yeah yeah surprisingly laura loomer did really well yeah okay you know i'm but i'm not entirely surprised i mean trump was there trump probably voted for he did vote for her yeah i mean he's not going to vote for the democrat of course yeah so yeah but anyway we're talking oh yeah the senators so now we now we have people who don't know who their state level representatives are and how serious is going to impact this could theoretically choose trump to be the president and most people don't know or care who their state

reps are i i feel here's the i'm of two minds here one is you know being a political wonk political nerd like i love playing out all these scenarios and the other is like isn't this just like early 2017 all over again when you had what's his name lawrence the guy lawrence lessing writing the article for newsweek about how hillary could still become president like right these are cool things to sit around and and think about but at the end of the day it's it's it's but then 2016 happened so you So, you know, chaos is here. So I don't look, man. I'll be honest. Like I was saying, I've been I've been talking about the lawsuits. I've been covering the updates because as long as the race isn't over, I'm not going to look. I'll say it a million times. I think Joe Biden is going to be the president. But the media is trying so hard, man. Did you see they lied about Trump's lawsuit? No, they Washington Post, Politico, Daily Mail, a bunch of other outlets claimed that Trump dropped his lawsuit pertaining to 700000 votes that were improperly counted because there was no poll watchers.

Just absolute lie. They all write it. And the framing was now with Trump dropping the suit, he has no chance of overturning Pennsylvania. The race is over. And I was like, is this an attempt to demoralize Trump's base? Are they desperately trying to say to the like? Think about what we talked about with Newsmax and Barack Obama saying the Internet's bad.

They are terrified of the fact there is a group of people in this country, a massive one that doesn't believe them. Right. And even when they're telling the truth. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so then they say Trump has given up. He's dropped his most prominent suit. There's no way he can win. Everyone go home. And they said, F you don't believe it. I read it. And I'm like, that's

not true at all. I pulled up the document. I read the documents, but they linked to them, too. Like Politico said in the latest lawsuit with a link, they're dropping this. I as now without the 700000 votes in question, Trump has no opportunity to overturn this wide margin that Biden is leading with. Therefore, the race is over, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, the lawsuit literally says we want an injunction on certification in Pennsylvania because of all of these ballots that were improperly counted. Why did all of these outlets lie? What about bring better back, bring build back, better build backly counted. Why did all of these outlets lie? What about bring better back? Bring build back better. Build back better.

Being used by all of the Davos people. Yeah. Boris Johnson in Britain. Yep. That's another big one. Disturbing one. Yeah. How crazy.

You know what it kind of feels like? Like I'm about to explode. No, it feels like all this weird conspiracy stuff was actually. It was all true. And then with was actually – No, no, no. It feels like it was all true. And then with Trump breaking through the barrier and becoming president, and now you have this large faction, 70 – what, 73 million people now who voted for him? Who – not all of them. I'm sure not all of them are cognizant to the political space. But now it seems like these Davos World Economic Forum types are starting to panic, and they're trying to rush everything through as fast as possible because they're losing their grip on controlling the matrix.

I am going to go to the bathroom. All right. See you in a minute. Roseanne Barr, of all people, she said this in 2017 that Trump broke through MKUltra programming, like CIA programming. Now, I wouldn't put it in those terms, but it's very clear that there is often a concerted effort to manipulate the population to act in certain ways. Yeah. So did Trump break the the matrix is that what happened here or the matrix was breaking allowing trump to to get through trump seeped through but why trump what is like what is the ultimate character you know like the thing the thing i question about any of these conspiracies is like why would trump have the power and wealth that he has why would they allow people to get

wealthy if they really controlled everything and they've never seen wealth and power trump never had power until 2016 he had no power right he just had he was a tv personality he had property yeah who cares yeah wow i've got 100 hotels what am i i would i would say this he did he definitely had power but not to the scale that he did in 2016 what power do you think trump had before 2016 yeah like literally what could he have done? With money? Yeah. His money wasn't liquid. It's in real estate. No, Trump – but Trump did still have a lot of liquid assets.

But let's suppose he had a billion dollars in a checking account, right? A billion dollars in terms of the world power is really I don't think that much money. I actually think you don't need that much money at all to disrupt the world power. OK. That's why they went after the hackers in 2011, 2012 so heavily like with heavily like with extreme i agree with you but my point is that's a different paradigm uh sorry use that word trump isn't a hacker he isn't uh yeah but with the money he has he could eat like it's like can you hire a a pirate a privateer to go disrupt the supply lines for the you know the the eastern trading company or something with with with access to resources

you can empower a lot of people to do a lot of things. But he wasn't doing any of this before. Just because he wasn't doing it doesn't mean he couldn't. I'm saying Trump had power. Come on, he was a billionaire. He is a billionaire. Becoming president was something else. He wasn't at all leveraging his power in the slightest.

I think the better way to put it is Trump gained a hundredfold to his power by becoming president. Of course. Come on, a billionaire's got power. But what was he using that power for before 2015 to put his name in big golden letters on tops of buildings yeah that's i heard he got a golden toilet is that true i don't probably a golden toilet well all toilets become golden after a time right yeah but not the way you want you guys ever eat it yeah it's really good colloidal gold so this is like goldschlager

this is funny i went to uh an anti-Donald Trump protest in like 2017. I was with like Cassandra Fairbanks and Luke Gerdkowski. And then after we finished covering it, we went to Trump Tower. No, no. We didn't go to Trump Tower. I went to Billionaire's Row. And I literally had tiramisu with gold on it. Yeah.

And Cassandra made a funny joke. She was like, we were literally just at like this protest saying, we are the 99%. Eat the rich. Orange man. Trump is bad. Eating the rich for sure. And now you're sitting here eating gold. Yeah i was like that's right it's actually not expensive no i know it wasn't it's super 30 bucks a bottle but the story is that it used to be in the ground

on the food yeah you can get it like floating in water um in colloidal form but it used to be in the ground so you get it in your plants as a trace mineral like iron um but now that it's mined out you got to get it elsewhere and it's a superconductor apparently it'll coat the neurons in your brain and help you think like a superconductor. Is that Trump's secret? He eats gold? Definitely. And it also, when you stretch, when it feels like you're about to rip your muscle, the gold will seep in and you can keep stretching. I don't know about all that.

That's anecdotal. That's not right. Join me. That's not true about that. Stretch with me. That doesn't sound quite right. Do you guys feel like you're about to freaking explode? Yeah. Not really trying to set up a punchline i think no no it comes out the tip you get it out every day i think just with the videos at me it's lots of words what's your what's your

main like expulsion uh method these days i guess you're preparing a book that's not my expulsion how do you get your rage out oh i'm a soviet we don't have rage we got nothing we have uh like it's like the you know like the seed and salt no no they take wafers and they pour caramelized milk and they layer it that's what you guys do right and then yeah yeah the rage the famous the famous uh wafer cakes because there was no food in the soviet what What's that do with getting out your rage? It's your dessert. It's like what you do when you're like, you know, you want to eat dessert. You would eat your dinner.

Dopamine and all that. I'm sorry. English is my second language. I feel like I'm not understanding this conversation at all. He's talking about rage. And I'm talking about having a calming glass of tea with the famous Soviet wafer cake. How would that get your rage out? It would calm you.

No, the point is the rage doesn't... He wants the rage out. Not rage suppressed. Does everybody have rage like know the point is the rage doesn't he wants the rage out not rage suppressed maybe does everybody have rage like that probably not i don't i just got this russians don't have rage yeah you've basically figured out another way to deal with the craziness well i i revel in it and this is where i get my power yeah on twitter i mean i don't think anyone had more fun in 2020 than me and i think during the riots people were like michael like a of my friends on Twitter, like no one is having the more time of their life than malice. And it was factual and truthful.

It's like it's almost like you got a bunch of cats and you're playing with a laser pointer, you know, and you're just like spinning around. They're all going crazy and running around like hundreds of thousands of cats, you know? Yeah. Basically, yeah. I don't I don't I don't get that kind of rage that's all saying like when i you know a bunch of trump supporters got mad because i said i would laugh if biden won and they're like this is the end of the west and like you know children will die and tim pool's laughing and i'm like oh yeah i i've said many times if you think america is one election away from being destroyed you

can't call yourself a patriot because then we are a very very weak country yeah it's kind of it's like it's always it's always this one's the one yeah come on that's not okay hold on though this one's way different come on 2016 was way different you know it yeah but i'm saying is if hillary won it wouldn't have destroyed america but no it would have been the status quo it would have carried on as it was yeah you know it would have destroyed syria and probably a bunch of other middle eastern countries that's true yeah destroy a bunch of other military countries. That's true. Destroy a lot of countries.

It's not ours. It's not ours, yeah. So if Biden gets elected, we just watch him like a hawk. And if he does do some invasion, we call it out like a psychopath. I'm sorry, dude. I'm just not confident. I lived through – we all did. Obama.

Obama was like, I'm going to blow up some kids. But everyone was like, he didn't go into Syria after that backlash, like the 23rd. Obama had the red line. He goes, he crossed this line. And they're like, yeah, we're going to do it. He's like, OK, cool. Bye. Listen to my podcast.

Yeah, I think what is one of the great moments of this year is I have a lot of friends. Dave Smith, who's a very failed podcaster. He's one of them. I was just talking about this. Very failed. Very failed podcast. And very failed comedian as well. Going back to 2008, when you had the debate on the Republican Party between Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor.

And Ron Paul made the point, he goes, look, 9-11, things like this are going to happen because if we go to other countries and keep bombing them, we're going to have repercussions. And Rudy Giuliani's like, oh my God, that's so offensive. I want you to apologize. Ron Paul's like, I ain't sorry. You don't bite me. And I think increasingly that position has become normalized in the Republican Party

in the sense of why am I sending my kids to countries I can't find a map to come home in coffins for the sake of politicians? Like, this doesn't make sense to me. And I think Ron Paul had the biggest support of any politician of the military in the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012, I believe. And I think that is something that's very, very healthy. And I think if you do want to launch a war, like large-scale war you do need that bipartisanship and i think thankfully i think there's it's hopefully not thank hopefully i i pray with every fire of my being that there's

enough of an element of that in the republican and or democratic party that they can't do it i think it's going to be war war war let's start counting the days we got to give the power back to congress to declare the war that's i mean they they love it right right right yeah yeah so the obama didn't unilaterally be like he it wasn't obama who stood up and said please give me the power to indefinitely detain anyone at any point for any reason and then use the national defense authorization act as an excuse no congress did it they're like hey obama here's the power have fun he was like oh i'll sign what happened did they get brainwashed after 9-11? No, they're all in on it.

What do you mean? They're all super wealthy and they love it. When Trump is trying to pull people out of the Middle East, what is Congress saying? You can't do that, Trump. You shouldn't do that. You should probably think twice about that. Let's talk about that, how disturbing something is. Please fact check me if I got this wrong because I only saw the headlines and that's enough for me to flap my mouth at a show that they lied to him about how many – they lied to the commander in chief about how many troops are in Syria.

So he can't pull them out. And then all these corporate journalists were laughing at Trump. And I'm like, do you not see anything disturbing that the military is acting independently of the president of the civilian leadership? Like you're worried about Trump being authoritarian and you're having the military making decisions on its own and lying to the president. This is not how how fascistic of Trump to try and bring our soldiers out of other countries. That's fascism. The guy's name was James Jeffrey. He was State department special representative

for syria and engagement special envoy to the global coalition that's this i want to believe that i misunderstood no you didn't he's the guy that admitted that the subterfuge so he didn't it's true it's true it's insane and and and a ton of trump supporters said coup confirmed yeah when when pentagon officials are lying about what our military is doing so that the President of the United States, duly elected and says, I want our troops out the will of the people, and they say, you got it. We got them. Don't worry. Psych. Crazy, right?

I've never been more infuriated. I tell you, I don't— I am beyond angry. No, no, no. You're real. So I am firmly in control of myself. But when I was sitting there – That's a quote from the internet.

I was sitting in my office recording and I saw this tweet and I was just sitting there for like 10 minutes fuming like – I've never felt that way before. I was again. I don't know what's more disturbing, that they did it or that the corporate media thinks this is something to laugh about. Yeah. Probably that they did it, but very close. The journalist who tweeted it with the laughing, crying emojis said it was tragicomedy. And that's what she meant, not to make light of the situation, but to laugh at how Trump was duped or whatever. And I'm like, that's still really bad.

Are you insane? The president was elected on I'm going to end these wars. In fact, Obama said the same thing. And then what did he do? He upped them. Yeah. So Donald Trump has been trying to get out of these, you know, where the quagmires they call them in the Middle East.

And they just lie to make sure it keeps going. And the Democrats and Republicans alike blocked him in Congress to make sure he couldn't do it. I was reading an article that said this is highly unusual. Usually Congress is constraining the president's actions in terms of expanding our military presence. This time they're trying to make sure

the military presence stays where it is. This is truly one of the most horrifying stories. You gotta have a military that will keep the president in check. I agree. If the president wants to go crazy, the military can override him and say, no, dude, but he wasn't going crazy going why are we in syria they must think that by withdrawing troops it would be a danger obviously natural resources of course it's because we want to run a natural gas

pipeline into europe to offset russia's monopoly on gas and so it all feeds into the whole narrative of russia why hillary clinton lost and how russia was helping and that, you know, Trump is secretly working for Russia. No, I don't believe any of that's true. What I do think they're angry because the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, this is just one element of the conflict. We wanted to run that from Qatar through Syria, through Turkey into Europe. And then Syria said no, because we're allied with Russia. So then in 2009, it was reported in The Guardian, the US had been planning, you know, on the boots on the ground action in Syria, because we're like, how dare you,

and we've got to do this. And so when Trump says, I don't want war, I don't want to be in Syria, let's get out, they block him, and then say, see, he's helping Russia. They've been saying it the whole time. So finally, when he fired those 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria, they say, now he's acting like a president. I, you know, that was the day that we were taping the last episode of Fox News' Red Eye. And I had this whole bit because I came in dressed as Clark Kent. And during commercial breaks, I was taking a piece of clothing so that by the end I looked like Superman. And we never aired that episode because he decided to bomb Syria. And I was – as disturbed I was the episode didn't air.

It was even more disturbing that they got Trump to turn. And I thought this was going to be the beginning of more escalation middle east and thank the lord it was not if trump did escalate the middle east he'd been re-elected easily that's a good point they would have because they would be they wouldn't be going after him this hard no they'd be patting on the back they'd be like thank you for for coming around to our way of thinking i want to point out to all the uh cool kids and cats out there and listening that not one of these hacks who invoked the Holocaust

to say that if we don't go into Syria, the Kurds are going to be a genocide and the blood is on your hands. And as Americans, it's our responsibility that millions of people are going to be slaughtered in their beds. And that didn't happen.

Not one of the people who called for this, for your kids, your cousins, your children, your parents to be murdered overseas has had any consequences for what they tried to do. Yeah. And then you see what happened with Christiane Amanpour recently? No, what? When she compared Trump's past four years to Kristallnacht. Israel called her out. Good.

Yeah. She goes on and she says she was like, Chris, then she did this bit and she was like, the Nazis were firing a warning shot across the bow targeting, you know, intellect and, you know, freedom. Now, as Trump has staged four years of his own assault, like just totally non sequitur, like what? Joe Biden seeks to return to normal. Disassociated from the pain and violence of that night. I think that no, I think it's desperation. I think the cathedral has become desperate. I think it's two things. I think it's desperation.

I think we forget that being blue pilled by definition turns off your imagination. The whole point of being blue pilled is that you don't think critically. You don't look outside of what's being presented to you. So everything in them, in their minds, is a function of Trump isn't Hitler. And you just use that as if Hitler is the only dictator who ever lived. Right. You know what I mean?

Or even the worst. By the way, check out Mussolini. Let's say Trump is Mao. I love that we talk about Mussolini because you've got to watch video. I advise anyone that ever can get on YouTube to watch clips of Mussolini. Have you ever seen his eyes? Look at how psychotic, like just insane the guy looks.

I have a Mussolini action figure. Kind of. It's like a 3D sculpture. If you look this up, maybe you can look up, Lydia. There's a thing that's his face over like one of the plazas in Italy and it just says CCC. Yes, yes, yes. And it's supposed to be like vote yes for Mussolini. And it's the creepiest thing you're ever going to see.

And you're looking at it. You're like, wait a minute. This is supposed to get people to like you because you look at it and you're like this is just straight out of sci-fi. There's a statue of Lenin in Seattle. There's also one in New York. I think they took it down Red Square. Straight out of sci-fi. You know there's a statue of Lenin in Seattle? There's also one in New York. Oh, really? I think they took it down Red Square, yeah. But it's this massive statue just in Seattle.

It's so weird. I always wonder about that. I'm like, isn't this guy not a good dude? He is not a good dude. I talk about him in the next book also. But what did Lenin do? Didn't they preserve his body or something? Yeah, his body is on display in Red Square.

You can still see it. But his torso is separated from his lower parts. Oh, that's i think he got poisoned do you think that stalin poisoned him no i think they did the research and that's not did they dig they think they looked him up uh they actually did the test and he did not who did the test though stalin's government no i mean like it's like night in the 90s or like much later huh yeah he died like abruptly after taking power and it wasn't abruptly no it. He died 1922 or 24? A few years. Like three or four years.

Well, relatively because he was still kind of young, I think. Yeah, he was kind of young, yeah. And then Stalin just came in and was like, oh, well, I'm here. That wasn't that way at all. It wasn't a given that Stalin was going to take over. There was this whole intermediate period and Stalin had this big power struggle. It wasn't like Stalin was like John Adams. With Trotsky?

Trotsky was, yeah. Trotsky was part of it of course yeah dude what what's okay hey what's your first book about what's it called i've got a few what do you mean oh the new right the new right dear reader yeah yeah dear reader yeah that's the north korea book oh yeah but the new right yeah yeah it was just the new right uh then it's just the journey to the fringe of american politics so it's basically about this whole window of the last um like uh leading up to 2015 2016 and and the right wing that you don't talk about in corporate media so like this yeah exactly this isn't it weird though what like what does it mean to be right wing these days uh to regard not all human beings as being as good as others

really do you think some hold on watch this ready Do you think some, hold on, watch this. Ready? Do you think some people are better than others? Yes. Okay. Define. Hold on. Some people, someone on the right says yes.

Someone on the left will give a speech. Yeah. That's the litmus test. Just ask. Well, because, but to be fair, I think you can dig

into the nuance of it. Does it, do I think, you know, people are deserving of equal rights? 100%. Do I think that some people

are taller and some people are shorter? Yep. Does that mean some people are better at basketball than others? Absolutely. I'm better than a child molester it's not even a question oh yeah period um and there's lots of people better than me many many many many the point is if you ask many many many people uh i'm not saying it others do uh

every day i get phone calls never got so many phone calls uh so what is going on i don't know i don't know what to tell them it's just outrageous uh i'm just saying it's predictive you could anyone listening this go ask your friends and you will see that they will either say yes or give you a speech really yes yeah but i'm pretty sure i've got some lefty friends that would say yes try it that's not right not for sure yeah you're saying for sure but you don't know that i couldn't say i i i can i can think of like two or three of my friends i guarantee you would be like yes well they're on the right and they voted for biden you could be you could vote for biden me on the right i was gonna give a

speech because i would have been like of course you're kidding wait are you starting with this reverse engineering that like democratic was left republican equals right no okay i'm just trying to figure out if you like are you just creating your own what is left and what is right then no like if they were historically speaking and across time and different countries left and right means equality versus hierarchy that's one of the metrics to distinguish them there's also the economic and cultural spectrums yeah those those are harder to port out because woodrow wilson by that metric is extremely right-wing right because he's hardly socially conservative authoritarian yeah what but it's an issue of it's not an issue of um when we're talking about the cultural

spectrum of left and right we're not talking about the where things were we're talking about where they are so it's the left is the revolution and the right is the status quo no that i mean sure no that's how the left defines it but they're the revolution and the left is the left side but that's not a coherent oh i'm not yeah sure that's not a coherent that's not a coherent that's not a coherent definition so that's like how they would like to view themselves but if you look at this and it's pinot shade then on the left is emma goldman you know it doesn't it doesn't pour out who's emma goldman what really do tell emma goldman oh my god i i love her emma goldman who everyone should be learning more about. She was an early anarchist figure. She was a hardcore left anarchist. Everyone on Twitter who has this – they all say, I had this – I just had this realization.

Left means hardcore economic control and right means freedom. So Hitler and Stalin are on the left. I just thought of this. Everyone thinks they thought of this. You're not the only one who thought of this. And then you ask about Emma Goldman and the early ancoms, the anarchist communists. They're like, who's Emma Goldman? It's like, maybe you should know about different schools of thought before you start categorizing and putting on taxonomy.

So she was one of the early anarchists. She was involved with the McKinley assassination. She was involved trying to kill Frick, who was Andrew Carnegie's man running the plants in Pittsburgh. Her boyfriend at the time shot him, went to jail for this, Alexander Berkman. And she was deported by Woodrow Wilson, J. Edgar Hoover, young J. Edgar Hoover. This is when the ACLU, the predecessor of the ACLU was invented because communism and all these kinds of speech were illegal. And they sent her to Russia, a hardcore lefty, hardcore lover of violence and revolution. She met with Lenin and she came back and she wrote a book called My Disillusionment in Russia.

And when she was giving talks in England, she got a standing ovation. And when she was finished, you could hear a pin drop because they were not interested in hearing that what was going on in the Soviet Union was oppressive. This was a great experiment. We were going forward. We were going to have equality. And she goes, this is worse than anything the czar ever imagined they're like shut up you know you're talking about your reactionary an amazing amazing figure um and and she really needs to do my part to kind of bring her back to pop consciousness but in many ways she's the godmother of antifa i don't i don't think that uh left and right really means anything today that's inaccurate but i mean what i mean by that is that when the left

says left and right wing there's no definition to what they're saying right because they use language differently they use language to manipulate and control just like racist means someone who is not on the left but but there's also people who are on the right as you define it who can't define what left and right is either and would use it improperly but that's just because people use language incorrectly or improperly doesn't mean that that language is not can't be used i disagree language is the vehicle by which we transmit ideas and if there's no... No, that's other use. Language is also used to manipulate control.

Sure, sure, sure. At the signal in groups. I think that still falls within my definition, you know, to transmit ideas. And those ideas can be used to manipulate people and restricting and controlling what information they get. But that's the opposite of transmitting information. That's limiting information. Well, no, like saying nothing to someone won't give you control over them necessarily. You need to that's the opposite of transmitting information that's limiting information well no like saying

nothing to someone won't give you control over them necessarily you need to give them specific information you need to transmit them a certain idea trump is a fascist but then make sure that's the only information i don't think when they're saying trump is a fascist they're using that in the same way you and i use language i think when they're saying trump's a fascist they mean he's out group we're in group perhaps but they're so language you think they can define the word fascist in that context many of them can yes many but i think most of them can't so the way i feel like the left functions is that they have their priests in the cathedral who understand and know what they're doing someone should write a book about this don't you think is that what you do yes yes that's the

new right that's the but so so like you write about how that they're they're you know cognizant priests yes and they're literally okay so they're literal televant priests. Yes. And they're – okay. So they're literal televangelists. Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, John Stewart back in the day. They're literally giving sermons of the morals of the weak and then the congregants go on social media and spread the gospel. This is not an allegory. This is literally the case. It is a degeneration of the social gospel, which is going on for over 100 years, and it's Christianity, a form of Christianity without the case. It is a degeneration of the social gospel, which is going on for over 100 years, and it's Christianity, a form of Christianity without the mythology.

But of Christianity or just more like a theistic religion? Is it specifically Christianity? It's a degeneration of Christianity. So they took the Christian ethics, the social gospel, which is a variant of very American-specific variant. They got rid of all the Christ stuff, but they kept the ideology. Because what happened was over 100 years ago, the idea was instead of a person having an individual soul, which is historically regarded as one of the great contributions of Christianity, you can redeem a nation. So a nation has a soul that has to be saved. Well, if I'm going to save the soul of a nation, that means there's no aspect of it that is outside my purview and control. I have to be in every boardroom. I have to be in every bedroom. I have to be in every bedroom. I have to be in every house because I have to root out sin.

And that's exactly how they operate. Video games, sci-fi movies, the boardroom, who you date, everything falls under the edicts of this church. That's such a bastardization of Christianity because Jesus wanted to empower the self. And then the church came along and tried to make it about control of other places and things.

So let me drop another bomb on you guys. Conservatives are supposed to study history and apply its lessons to real life, and they never do it. So What Would Jesus Do? is written by an explicit Christian socialist in the 1870s. It was from a book called In His Steps. And this book also advocated no platforming because the premise of this book is he was a publisher, the character, it's a novel. And he's like, I'm going to live my life like Jesus would. What would Jesus do?

And he goes, well, if Jesus was writing this newspaper, he wouldn't be taking advertisements about or writing news articles about boxing. So we're not going to – we're going to pretend boxing, because it's barbaric, doesn't exist. And it's a direct line from that to no platforming of individuals and ideas. And when Christians use that expression, they don't realize it comes from this concept of Christian socialism. But, you know, you mentioned Jon Stewart. How is it that 15 years ago, the left was in favor of free speech, freedom, individual liberties?

Sure. So when I'm stronger than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to my principles. When you're weaker than me, I take away your freedom because that's according to my principles. So you think that, well, when – the same way, they're only free speech when they're in the outgroup. Yeah. Like so when Trump says, if you burn the flag, you go to prison. Yeah.

And then you can see who actually has principles when the politically homeless moderates and some conservatives like that's dumb. You can't do that. Right. You can't have it both ways. Yep. So at what point do the Democrats then start advocating for free speech again? Once Biden's in the presidency and they control everything, they're saying, yeah, now we should have speech. No, they're going to. I think when you have Democrats starting to feel pain and getting marginalized, then they're going to start complaining need free speech back. Yes. Where were you a year or two ago? Right. I was thinking earlier that left and right don't mean anything, like earlier today.

But I think it's less that it doesn't mean anything because it has some meaning, but that it's relative to something. Yeah. And the thing that it's relative to keeps changing. Here's another definition. It's your approach to the outsider. Leftism at its best is people who are marginalized or forgotten. The leftist will point to that person and be like, hey, don't forget about this person. They're important. They value. And a lot of times that is useful because that person would fall between the cracks and be treated as garbage. And there is something to be saved from

that. It's also can be dangerous when it's the Trojan horse and you're like, open the gates, let's let the outsider in. So both left and right, there's the dark side to it and the positive side to it. So there's a great book called by Hubert Selby called Last Exit to Brooklyn. It was heavily censored. And it was basically about like drug addicts. And there's a gang rape scene. It's a very dark books from like 1958 1960. But before that people who were drug addicts were invisible, like you don't talk about it. And now every celebrity can go on TV, or you can have the president's son just talk about it openly and they're valorized for it. This is a huge change and that's a thanks to the left

or because of the fault of the left, everyone look at it. Let's do super chats. If you haven't already, smash the like button because you should. It helps the channel. And I gotta give a shout out to Adrienne. Who's Adrienne? She just watches the show. Oh, hey Adrienne. I wanna give a shout out to Alex Jones. This is the crumbled thing. It was just watches the show oh hey Adrian I want to give a shout out to Alex Jones this is the crumbled thing is it

it was just on the floor and I'm keeping it forever Alex I love you it's his failed attempt at a tinfoil head very failed I'm a champion in your movement brother

no I'm keep it live but no just to reiterate the plan was to get Michael and Alex back on the show because YouTube

took on the podcast and said that there was a rule violation and I said okay well then we'll do another show and we won't violate the rules this time, huh? And Alex said he wouldn't do another show with me because I keep it too real. He was like, I got to tell you, man, this Michael guy is just too honest. These Ls. Plus his L crap.

Couldn't do it. No, but he was busy because, look, he runs his own company. Dr. Menace. Dr. Menace. Dr. Menace. But I got to just say, before we go to Superchats, isn't it weird that there was no complaints? How many articles were written complaining about Joe Rogan? They should put the thing back up.

It didn't violate. I mean, I guess you joke about firing squads. That's technically weird. I'm talking about the media reporting on Joe Rogan's show, calling for his cancellation, and the fact that they ignored that we had a show with 157,000 concurrent views and nearly over 2 million viewers. Joe Rogan is catnip. And I see this every time we make a video about Joe Rogan.

People want to hear about Joe Rogan. So weird. Tim Pool's on the down low. Yeah, nobody cares. It's really funny when there are people who complain. They're like, how come he's flying under the radar? No one ever writes about him. I don't know.

Maybe because I'm really boring, I guess. Talk about stuff, but my opinions aren't strong enough one way or the other to be shocked or outraged. But Joe Rogan is like super kind of center of the road, too. He's kind of milquetoast, too. I think Joe is more interested in letting people talk. Exactly. And Ruben's like the salsa than necessarily presenting his opinion. They don't want to get in the sights, dude.

Which is the choice. Yeah. They don't want your focus on them. If someone messes with you, that's bad. Yeah, you don't want to mess with righteousness. Subscribe, hit the like button, and we do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m., but let's read some super chats. Yes.

Les Ormez says, if Trump does end up losing, he should buy CNN and fire everyone. Keep up the good work, guys. Fire everyone. No, he shouldn't fire. Do you mean fire or set them on fire? No, no. Trump should buy CNN and then just give an editorial edict. The company is now all Trump all the time.

Oh, yeah. But good news about Brian Stelter. And so you're literally have Brian Stelter being like today, major breaking news. Donald Trump saved a puppy from a speeding vehicle down Fifth Avenue. He dove into the street, grabbed the puppy, rolled out of harm's way, saving the puppy and a small child. Actually, at the same time, they would all quit. I'm not reporting this fake. You know, well, you can't blame them.

It'll serious. How amazing would that be? You know, I always I always thought about this. How come rich people don't do more fun stuff like they buy a yacht? That's so dumb. A yacht. What are you going to do? Sit on your boat.

I don't know. I think sacrificing children to the devil is kind of funny. They do that a lot apparently. Why don't they just do like Elon Musk? I get. He's like, I'm going to build a rocket ship and go to Mars. I'm going to put satellites in outer space and give everyone internet. I'm like, okay.

That's fun. But it's not even as crazy. Your idea of fun is skateboarding. You want Donald Trump to be able to skateboard? Yes. My idea of – I'm not talking about fun. I'm talking about abnormal. You know what I mean?

Like, where's the rich guy who's building an Iron Man suit? Or at least trying. You are? There is that one guy who built the jet suit. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. And now the military, like rescue operations are trying. That's cool.

Where's the dude who like, I don't know, just buys up every billboard in LA for no reason and puts something dumb on it for no reason? Just like wastes time and troll people, I don't know, just buys up every billboard in LA for no reason, puts something dumb on it for no reason, just like wastes time and troll people? I don't know. Where's a rich person who does what you do, but has billions of dollars to waste and just go nuts with it? They should go to michaelmiles.com slash contribute. What would you do if you had endless resources? What would be the ultimate weird thing to do if you had money?

I promise you it's coming. It's on the way. Just like buying up every billboard down a highway and just putting random stuff on it that makes no sense just to like screw with people. What if someone just bought JohnOBrandon.com after the failed CIA former leader and redirected it to a Trump site? Oh, snap. Is that what you did? Someone did. Someone did, right.

I want to do Orbitable. Orbitable? Why do I think. Orbitable? Why do I think – Orbitable. I want to do like orbital music videos and skateboarding. Like just get some low orbit. This is what you want to do. You want to go in a deep sea submersible and see the bottom of the ocean and see all the God's mistakes down there.

God's mistakes. God was making all these fish. He dumped them in the ocean. He screwed them up and he's like, all right, I don't want to look at this anymore. No one is going to see this. Bottom of the ocean you go. Boom. Done. You know the blobfish? Of course. It doesn't look

gross underwater. It's because they depressurize and it explodes. There's ancient civilizations under there. There you go. You gotta find it. Especially on the shelf. Yeah, you gotta go under. The continental shelf. Caucasian persuasion says graphics interchange format, Nuff said. The dude who

made it named it then on purpose to call it a GIF. Okay, so your name is Mitchell. You could call me whatever you want. You're Mitchell Malice from now on. Mitchell Malice. Tim Pool is a dim pool. If it was graphic interface, it would be GIF. Yes, graphic.

Graphic is a soft G. The dude who made it said GIF. I don't care what he says. What's his name? Richard Stallman did a GNU. The guy who invented it? Yeah. I don't know his name.

Exactly. I was just reading an article where he did an interview where he said he was going to settle the dispute once and for all. Oh, now you believe CNN? Mitchell. Mitchell Malice. VW Bear says, I love the Tim Malice combo. Keep up the good work, guys.

Heck yeah. You spent money for that? Yeah. Isn't it awesome? VW Bear says I love the Tim Malice combo keep up the good work guys heck yeah you spent money for that about Malice yeah yeah isn't it awesome Glenn says AT&T sells CNN Trump buys CNN

ba dum tsch yeah dude I so support that George Mountain says hey Tim new fan your principled stance on dialogue and free speech

are an inspiration to these rocky times I look forward immensely to your podcast with General with Graper General Nick Fuentes stay safe King that's's very dignified super chat and it is very dignified see that was someone who wants nick on the show who is trying to go the positive route yes uh we we are absolutely um looking at a lot of different people but i don't people i'll put it very simply

i don't want to make it like we were pressured into having someone on the show for the sake of having them on the show like we want to have people on the show when it matters and there's some people i'm talking to probably sometimes when they don't yeah i was like oh no michael's coming back no no michael's always well no but there's there's some people that have been banned permanently across the board we're talking like we're we're thinking about having on because there's important interviews that need to happen around censorship and politics in this country. And this includes Nick. Interestingly, so we've got to do research.

We've got to find the right time and moment for him and for other people. But, dude, I'm down to have – we're going to try to have Alex Jones on again after they pulled the show in the first place. I'm totally down to have people on and have these conversations. Viola says, let's play some Magic the Gathering. I have like a $40,000 collection Legacy, Vintage, EDH, Modern we can jam games in a bunker during the Civil War Vintage? Legacy? I had like 26 Vintage decks

until I moved here and then everyone was like we just play Commander, man, so I ripped them all apart What? They were all Vintage, but I had Sol Ring in every deck It was kind of the carbon card, you'd see the same cards The hell are you talking about? The best card game of all time. The most popular physical card game, I guess.

I know what magic is, but I mean. It's so fun. You have black, white, red, blue, and green magic. And they all kind of correlate to a way of being. Okay. Not Curtis says, Tim, Michael, how would you define or describe Marxism and its tenets? I wouldn't. Michael probably could, though.

Marxism. Well, that's interesting because Marx said he's not a marxist really yeah he was because because marxism developed as a result of his philosophy but then it kind of went to other ways and he was asked about it goes but i'm not a marxist so i don't know that off the top of my head i would have a good uh definition i would probably have like four bullet points uh racist no wasn't he Wasn't he racist? I don't think that's essential to Marxism. But off the top of my head, I don't have a good one. It's kind of like Jesus wasn't a Christian.

Like they took and they made Christianity based on it. Yeah, he was Jewish. Do we want to have a huge spurg out right now? Yeah. No. What do you mean? Is water wet? Depends on if you're in it or not in it. It's not wet. What do you mean? Is water wet? Depends on if you're in it or not in it. It's not wet. What do you mean it's not? Water is water.

Wet means the condition of having water as part of you. Wet does? Yes. Water is not. This is like the internet that goes, water wet? And the answer is no. What? Water produces wetness.

Yes. My brain is spurting out. No. No. I don't think dirty and wet are parallel words. I think they're really similar because you don't have to have dirt to be dirty yeah yeah yeah it could be grime or it could be dirty like or juice yeah my shirt's all dirty juice juicy i don't know i think yeah juice

isn't juicy i don't think dirty a juicy apple's not no thank you i don't think dirty uh references uh liquid i think references granular solids so like if you had cheetos all over you'd be dirty if i spilled a coke on my shirt you'd be cokie and the shirt would be dirty if it dried up yes it doesn't feel right though you know what i mean no but if i like oh i gotta wash my dirty clothes they're they're not covered in dirt yeah that's true they're covered in b.o you could take a dump in your in your underwear and call it dirty. You know what I mean? If you go to sheathunderwear.com and use promo code Malice20, you get 20% off your order. Here's my sheath underwear. It's so great.

It's comfortable and it has two pouches for both parts of your anatomy. So if you're a guy, it's like you're holding your junk while you're wearing it. Sheathunderwear.com, promo code Malice. You're going to sell so much. Malice20. I love sheath. I wear it every day. You get my pants. You're wearing it junk while you're wearing it. Sheathunderwear.com, promo code Malice. You're going to sell so much. Malice 20. I love Sheath. I wear it every day. You get my pants.

You're wearing it now? I am. Oh. This guy is literally sponsored by an underwear company. Here it is. He's showing us. He just jammed in his promo for his underwear. Sheathunderwear.com.

I love it. Here we go. Here we go. Dylan Keller says, Michael, would you please elaborate on the Clockwork Elves and where they exist? I want to know about the relationship between their plane and ours. If Tim won't let you, could you please point me to some other reading or viewing material? I refuse to allow you to unveil the secrets of the Elves.

This is the pool house. How much did he pay for the super chat? 50 bucks. Okay. So I am one of the things that i hate i'm being dead serious is when and this is going to sound ironic coming from me is when people run their mouths and they don't know what they're talking about so i have very very limited information on this subject i can't point you into a good direction however this is something i'm going to be learning a lot more

about and when i am allowed i will be talking about this at length that's going to be learning a lot more about and when i am allowed i will be talking about this at length that's going to be at least two books from now you were saying before that sometimes they're surprised you can see them yes that's crazy great stuff yeah that's crazy you think they're like um i don't know that's why i was asking alex because i thought alex would know so much more about it so wait like you mean like they're chilling in here right now? No, they're not. Okay, it's like this. Let's do this again.

Here's the picture, the same picture. Okay. This is the picture. I'm listening. This is – it says Tim. You couldn't read my handwriting. It literally clearly says Tim. I couldn't read it.

Is it upside down? So this is Tim, right? Show the camera. Show the camera. Okay. I want to see if there's anything else here. Are there swastikas? Because usually I'm drawing those when I'm in the camera. Show the camera. Okay. Wait, I want to see if there's anything else here. Are there swastikas? Because usually I'm drawing those when I'm in the bathroom.

Okay. Michael. So this is Tim with the beanie. Yeah. And this says Alex. You guys can see this says MM. This is Michael Malice, right? Yeah.

If you wanted to tell these stick figures where we are in relation to them, they would not know because they only know up and down. Right. Right. They're 2D. So we are kind of behind them or through them. In a different dimension. Yeah, but they don't understand that the language is not there for them where they exist, right? So the elves are like behind this, like behind the mirror, but it's, again, a very poor use

of language to describe the relationship between them and us. So we need to – is there a word for movement in a fourth-dimensional space? It's a tesseract. Right, right, right. If we have up, down, front, back, side to side, do we have a word? In and out. Yeah, it's in. It's in this thing.

Right, it's the veil. It's the veil. The protons are spinning around each other at the speed of light. NASA experiment calculated this. So they're like, where are you? I'm in you. It's inside of this vat. I'm inside you.

What's happening is every proton. I'm inside you. Well, it's like this is a 2D projection of us. Right. Right. But it's also independent of us in one sense. You ever see the documentary called What the Bleep Do We Know? Well, let's watch our language.

It's like really new age. It's really old. But they do an explanation of this. And they say, if you have these two-dimensional people and you're looking at their space, you could say something and they would hear your voice coming from inside their bodies. Yeah. And then if you watched them and they run inside their home, you can look down and see inside their home and say, in your closet, you've got three coins.

There's shoes. And they would be like, how are you seeing all of this? Where are you? I'm above you. What does that mean? Right. But the crazy thing is if you moved your finger through their plane, they would just see the circles form and then disappear. Yeah, yeah.

So imagine like – So like, yeah, look. This is a plane and you go in the finger. It's like an MRI. Yeah, yeah. Yes. It's exactly like an MRI. Yeah, I just looked at my MRI today. So the L's are in a higher dimension or another dimension. Higher. an MRI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly like an MRI. Yeah. I just looked at my MRI today.

So the, so the elder and a higher dimension or another dimension, higher, higher dimension. Yes. And outer and inner. I think it's inside and outside of this at the same time. That would be a test.

Okay. Check out the, the Swartz child proton. It's NASA. Hermes is quantum. This is, we'll look back at it. Wait,

wait, check this out, Tim, real quick. And he theorizes that every proton is two protons spinning around each other at the speed of light, depositing information into the vacuum and then returning. So it's depositing local information into the vacuum. And then the entire super vacuum that we know is calculating that information

and then returning you a localized piece. But this has nothing to do with the elves. So I think that's where this vibration exists is within that. The question I have is in that field. If you were behind me, how would taking a substance give me the ability to see you behind me? You know what I mean? If they're in a different dimensional space, like, you know, let's call it a… 4D space.

Quisto. They're through the veil. Yeah. They're to my quisto or to my… Whatever that they're through the through the veil yeah they're they're to my quisto or to my whatever that's just behind the veil it's fine behind the veil we don't have to make up words what what well we need some word to describe that directionality but we don't have a word yeah i got you saying how does dm taking dmt allow you to like see around a corner i don't i have no idea i have no information about this so how did you come to understand or talk about the elves i just the people want the answers michael well the people can't always handle the answers i can't

handle this the people aren't real on the day oh snap i like it yeah you become real once your super chats are hundred dollars okay there's a thing called the super holofractographic uh reality so kevin says check out jones malice Pool stream on BitChute. Amazing. Also, YouTube blocks the name of that site in Super Chats. Wow. Wow. Well, so we automatically back up all the shows on other platforms. And so when

YouTube pulled it, it still existed. And a lot of people were like, it's gone. Where can I find it? And people were saying, put it on BitChute. Tim's like, it's automatic. I don't do anything. It just appears there. They say, Kamaro Chris says, Trump is stepping on the banana peel, getting ready to do the backflip. Camaro Chris. Oh, Camaro Chris.

Yeah, yeah. That's like Giff or not Giff either. Yeah. So have you heard my analogy for like what Trump does? No. That there's people who think that Trump's playing 40 chess and there's people who think that Trump is a bumbling fool. Yeah. But the people who think that trump is a bumbling fool yeah but the people who think trump is a bumbling fool would that would imply that sometimes trump's walking on the street slips on a banana peel but then pulls a perfect

backflip and lands and then keeps walking maybe maybe maybe it looks like michigan just got certified oh it did i don't know if this is accurate or not it's just what someone on twitter is telling me i mean that's always true right everyone on twitter is always telling me the truth we'll double check it it. What are they saying? They're saying that, you know, it's good enough for government work. Wayne County election results certified after initial deadline. Okay. So this whole episode was a big waste of time.

All for nothing. You wasted your time. It's your fault, not ours. You are welcome. So Patch.com has just said Wayne County election results certified. Huh. So there was a little glimmer of hope that Trump was going to pull something off. Now it's all gone. We'll see. We'll see. I don't know. Or a little glimmer of hope that trump was going to pull something off now it's all gone now we'll see we'll see i don't know or a little glimmer of fear yes depending on your perspective joe biden's going to become president no that trump would win

oh right right right right the board voted four to zero to certify the results but with a request to michigan secretary of state joysalyn uh joesalyn benson to audit precincts that were discovered to be out of balance jocelyn yeah jocelyn yeah there audit precincts that were discovered to be out of balance. Jocelyn. Yeah. Jocelyn. Yeah. There you go. Board members initially failed to certify. Okay.

Well, then they have to audit. That's what they're calling for. Yeah. That will lead to an audit. That's still a precedent. Interesting. That is still a precedent. I'm not giving up. We'll see what happens.

Never give up. Canadian Greg says, where's my high? I'm slightly over $100. Oh, hello. What the F? Hello, Greg. Your high is at the end of the DMmt pipe yeah okay thanks georgia georgia scientist greg's a good guy floyd county in georgia you you mentioned that was funny right that someone super chatted it that's just hilarious

yeah yeah oh my god well also wayne county was the first like big transgender rock star what wayne county wayne county became jane county oh and her group was called the backstreet boys Well, also Wayne County was the first like big transgender rock star. What? Wayne County? Wayne County became Jane County. And her group was called the Backstreet Boys. It's the early 70s. How funny. Weird. Trent says, hi, guys.

I recently rewatched V for Vendetta, of course, and I noticed a lot of spooky parallels with current events. Amongst others, I think the lockdown are Biden's why they need us moment. Yeah, we talk about this all the time. Yeah, we mentioned it. Yeah. The Great Reset. Like Trudeau literally said it.

Yeah. They're taking advantage of a crisis. Boris said it joe someone tweeted me today they go isn't it amazing how they'll talk about openly but if you mention it you're a conspiracy theorist yep i don't think so anymore i mean i've been talking about it nobody's said it was a conspiracy that's because you're ignored completely they don't say anything yeah they said you don't exist why maybe you're you are in a different dimension yeah maybe he's in tv space he totally is he's in t-space yeah you're like behind two veils oh yeah yeah maybe that there's nothing they can say i mean you look at uh certain political figures on the right and they've got controversial statements they've said that they can say oh it's hate speech oh this person is on this they just ignore me out you're like how i liked britney spears in the early days because it was like – Breaking cars?

Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't know what that means. The umbrella. I just remember hearing her – Britney, when she broke her boyfriend's car with the umbrella. I don't remember that. When she first was –

Are you kidding? Are you impugning the honor of Britney? Oh, my gosh. Britney was hitting it super hard. Can I say one more thing? Yeah. I made a big mistake. I went on Twitter and I said, I wonder what Chris Crocker is up to.

Chris Crocker made that video, Leave Britney Spears Alone. And then I tweeted out, I regret looking up at Chris Crocker. And people follow that link and they're like, F you, Malice. And I go, I told you I regretted it. Why? What is it? I'm not going to tell you. But if they go to Chris Crocker's Twitter, they're going to regret it.

You're going to regret it. Now you know. Okay. Don't do it. Shut up. to regret it. Now you know. Okay. Don't do it. Shut up. Anyway, what were you saying about Britney Spears? Oh, you like Britney Spears? In the early days, she was hitting it hard, and it was like, I can't like Britney Spears.

Everyone will make fun of me, but I loved her music. It was kind of like how they are with you. That's not what I'm talking about. Why aren't they crapping all over me? Yeah, why'd they say Tim Pool sucks? Because if they start talking about you, they're going to get thrown under the bus. But they didn't ignore Britney. They talked about her as a sucky ignore britney yeah you have to i i didn't i got i got like 120 million views in october i think that's one of

the biggest political shows in the world my podcast my personal podcast is ranked 46 on itunes and uh this show is number 106 on itunes it's like some of the biggest, you know, it's a top 250 and we just had Alex Jones on to the biggest show with over 2 million views. Tim, do you want gossip columns about you? I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's weird.

It is kind of weird. I've never really talked about it. He sits down to pee. Oh, okay. Thank you. Gossip. Oh, okay, okay, okay. No, no, no.

I'm not. I have the documents. Oh, gosh. I normally don't mention this because i don't want causing hit pieces or anything like that i purposely avoid you know controversial you know uh like i don't like going on other people's shows for a variety of reasons but it is i gotta say very strange i thought we would get backlash for having jones on we didn't we got nothing nothing kind of weird 150 157 000 concurrent views like something like 2.3 million

views nothing because i'm magic and it even got pulled because of what you know this controversy 150, 157,000 concurrent views, like something like 2.3 million views. Nothing. Because I'm magic. And it even got pulled because of what, you know, this controversy. Nothing. One article from the Washington Times for the most part. Yeah. It's weird. It is weird.

No phone calls. You never hear Alex mentioned on like legacy media either. That's not true. I hate that expression. Legacy. How do you refer to it though? The corporate press. I hate legacy.

But YouTube's corporate too. Tim has a corporation. It's not legacy. Okay. This came about because when Alex went on Jones, they tried canceling. I'm sorry. When Alex went on Joe, they started complaining they wanted Joe banned. Spotify defended him.

There was this big hubbub. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. So whatever these organizations are council on foreign relations economic forum global cbs abc cnn fox news msnbc all these crazy news organizations it's like a coordinated function so there's a reason why they don't elevate up-and-coming people that are explaining the you know the financial system and the structure and the

coordination and all that. Yeah. That's mine. You do have an article. You have one article. It's from Reclaim the Net. It just says YouTube removes Alex Jones' two cool podcasts for harassment and bullying. Reclaim the Net is an anti-censorship pro-free speech outlet. Let me give you this. The Federalist

asked me to write an article and I said it wasn't my place to write it. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just saying, like, it's just weird. And I only bring it up because I figured surely this is the one. We had Enrique Tarrio on from the Chairman of the Proud Boys. Nothing.

Nothing still. It was a good interview. That's why. And it got a ton of views. Was he wearing the Fred Perry? He was, wasn't he? No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't.

He was wearing a T-shirt, yeah. But we had, we literally, and this is just like a week or two after the debates when they're all talking about the Proud Boys and like we're going to get the chairman on of a huge show. So great, yeah. Nothing. Dude, the Alex show was awesome. I know.

I was there. That's why they're not talking about it at all. Do you think it's because we humanize these people? We humanize people like Enrique? We humanize people like Alex Jones? You know what? You know what I think it is, honestly? I'm not going to, like, there's two things. Because we humanize these people. We humanize people like Enrique. We humanize people like Alex Jones. You know what? You know what I think it is?

Honestly, I'm not going to – there's two things. They are so intent that Alex Jones is completely out of his mind in every way. Like he's like 100 out of 100. That if he's just like 80, all of a sudden they have a problem. If Trump is a Hitler, then he's just like a McKinley. They have a big problem because their their narratives lie so if Alex Jones isn't 100 crazy if he's only 80 crazy now they've got an issue because then why are we completely censoring this guy who's 20 of the time kind of making sense yeah was McKinley like a psycho no what he was just mediocre it's not interesting mimes says Trump loves space and technology he talked about going to Mars during the RNC.

He did, yeah. He also said he was Batman. Did he really? I hope he did. That's awesome. There was a little kid. Trump took him up in his helicopter before he was president. And the kid says, are you Batman?

He goes, I am Batman. That's so cool. Look it up. There's a headline. Trump says, I'm Batman. Which I guess means that he watched his parents get shot. Oh, gosh. That's awful.

Probably on Fifth Avenue. Yeah. Still got votes. OPE says, with the issue of joe not being able to finish his oath of office the oath of office the provision of the constitution that would have vp elect then get sworn in should be changed because didn't the person that got second in the election become vp oh i don't know what i guess back in the day like yeah they changed it right yeah it was an amendment i think yes and then aaron burr went on and killed alexander

hamilton yes my hero. And I have a piece of Alexander Hamilton's hair in my house. I read that Hamilton didn't really think it was going to become lethal. Apparently, Hamilton shot in the air is one of the theories. Yeah, he didn't actually intend. He was like, okay, I'll go to the duel, but I'm not actually – That's not unique to him. Many of these duels were for show because these bullets were not very effective.

And they'd miss. And they basically were real men. We shoot at each other then we shake hands and it's all squashed yeah honor culture stuff yeah took a bullet to the you put it to the chest right i think so yeah lung or something it took him a couple he died on my birthday 1804 july 12th uh uh notorious big that on my birthday oh i remember when i was not dead okay notorious big do you mean ann navarro well uh eric uh digrapont says trump isn't playing 4d chess he's captain jack sparrow does he plan it or does it all just work out does that mean does he mean beat his girlfriend is that what he means jack sparrow no amber amber she beat him i don't know that's what the theory that Trump has positive mental attitude and it actually works.

He doesn't. He's highly negative. What if that Trump is exists in a higher plane and he does DMT and so he can see the elves and help them. What if Trump is a senior old man and it's all barren? Yeah. That's the other theory. How is it that someone who's like 70 whatever is the best person on social media on earth?

This makes no sense. He nails it. Something something something's happening to to uh 2016 something happened i love i love the theories that cern fired the large hadron yeah yeah yeah but they did didn't they like yeah they did experiment all of a sudden trump becomes president yeah and it's like everyone's freaking out how do we get back to normal how do we we reverse things? There is no normal. Wasn't someone talking about that? That on election night this year, they fired the collider again or something like that? Did they seriously? They wait until a specific moment to do it.

You think they would have learned the first time? Geez, guys, come on. Now we're going to Google it. Give us this. No, but then Biden won. They did it. They fixed it. Or did he?

Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, they might be messing with dimensional interaction. Two weeks ago? Not that we are teleporting in the sense that we think. Like, three-dimensional movement is more like we're appearing in place over and over and over again. So, like, you know, right now I'm spinning. My fermions and bosons are spinning around forming matter in this position. And when I look like I'm moving, it's actually just going to appear in a new spot at light speed.

So that can change. The Hadron Collider could change the way that we're appearing. The question is, jokingly, did they send us into a different dimension where Trump becomes president? And then they were like, you have to reverse it. I love watching these sci-fi movies where they're like, they accidentally switch dimensions and they're all panicking. Turn the machine back on. Oh, no. And that's what really happened.

Yeah. Well, I mean that's what I'm writing about for my next book is walking around New York when – during the lockdowns and no one's on the street. It really did feel like one of those movies where you're in the wrong dimension. It's like 12 Monkeys. Yeah. Like Times Square was deserted. New York City was deserted. After 9-11, it wasn't deserted.

I've been in New York all my life. I've never seen anything like this. Where are the people? Where are the people? Exactly. I went to a small town recently rode my bike 32 miles it was crazy but went to the small town no people anywhere yeah and it was the weirdest thing like no joke when i say no people i saw like one person sitting under it under a massive tent in a park one person just sitting under it i'm like why is there a massive tent with all these chairs and only one person who set this up why and why is there one person they were doing

nothing this is the craziest thing they were just sitting there that that reminds me of the first episode of the twilight zone where this guy gets to this town and there's no one absolutely no one and he's trying to figure out what's going on he calls everyone and he's like he drags this mannequin out of a car and he makes his own coffee because he's like losing his mind didn't it turn out that he was in like a nuclear test site he was and this reminds me a little bit of going to la when we were driving on the highway there were no cars it was bizarre what if we're just like the dimensional equivalent of like you know animals in a terrarium they're watching collecting data on and they've abandoned the project so they're like that's one of the theories yeah they got all the data they

needed so they back they so now they've just left the terrarium like on the shelf it's self-sustaining for the most part and they walked away and then just all it's all chaos now i bet they were curious what would happen if we had a black president what's what's the theory that that's not the elf theory though what's what is it yeah well the elf theory is not that oh no no no what's there yeah have you you've heard the theory that we're an experiment or something and what is it you just said it oh that's it yeah i thought there was more to it no because. Because I was just thinking like, you know, that'd be cool, I guess.

I guess. Simulation or whatever. Yeah. And they got bored so they're done. My theory is that Rick is back from college. He's 19

and he's playing Simulation Earth, you know, the year's 2070-something. It's a really realistic AI. And then, you know, the doorbell rings because the pizza guy showed up with his calzone and his mountain dew so he gets up to go to the door

and then his little brother billy jumps on the computer and starts mashing keys and then ricky walks back in and he's got the calzone he goes billy what are you doing oh what is donald trump is president oh dude how do i undo how do you undo what did you do oh man i gotta impeach him and one of my favorite comedians joe mackie has this great bit about if he was going back in time and killed baby Hitler, everyone would be like, dude, what are you doing? No, no. You don't understand. I'm from the future. And things really take a turn with this baby.

Yeah. I mean, that's true. And he's like, while I'm there, i might as well take out himmler and schickler gruber and all these other all these babies yeah they're like what is going on he's like no i know what i'm doing trust me on this one killing me i truly feel like we're in another dimension but is that it's i don't know how to explain it prove it it's like a chaos dimension you can't prove it like in 2008 i'm lawnmower man people i could have i believe it in real life i'm mentally limited lawnmower there was there was a moment

i think that's true you're like shayo gorath or he's the god of chaos and elder scrolls oh or one of the daedric princes of chaos only. Only in me. Low-key or similar. You have that embodiment of chaos, of jovial chaos. Every time I go to the bathroom, you don't know what's going to come out. Sometimes it's confetti. Sometimes it's cotton candy.

Upper Decker, you mean. On Upper Decker, yeah. We call it Top Shelf. Yeah, I learned that from Matt Hughes. Oh, yeah. Canadian Greg says, I believe New York Times released today 40% of New Yorkers on Manhattan fled the city since February. I don't know if it's that much.

I think it's way less than that. I think it was 400,000 people. It's a lot of people, though. I heard 300,000. He uses the metric system. He's in Canada, so it's different for him. Trevor says, Trump is actually John Titor and has seen the future. Fourth dimension is time travel.

Well, so fourth dimension could be time. You know, it just depends on how you're framing things, I suppose. There could be a fourth spatial dimension, or we could say that time is a dimension that we can't freely move through and we're being pushed through. So the way you could see it is if we have three dimensions in which we can control our movement to a certain degree time would be like if we are falling down an endless shaft there's another way to look at this is something that's either it's sometimes things sound profoundly also sounds stupid at the same time they're both a shopping list is time travel a shopping list is you telling your future self a message just like you know it could go back in time it's just the other direction and we don't think about in these terms but there's lots of little mechanisms like this where we could tell each other things at different points in time

have you seen tenet i've not what is it it's the new uh christopher nolan right yeah it's good i thought it was pretty good yeah so basically someone discovers a way to reverse entropy and so it creates literally objects that move the other direction in time and so there's crazy dynamics the movie's cool but basically some point in the future, they invent it creating a path to go back in time. But when you're, when you invert entropy, you perceive yourself normally, but everything else is different. And so you can't breathe because inverted oxygen can't enter your cells. So you need inverted, a regular oxygen can't enter inverted cells. So you need an inverted oxygen with you.

Otherwise you die. So they have to wear suits. But it's really cool watching how two different, you know, objects moving different directions through time interact with each other. It's a cool concept. Yeah. Along your allegory of the writing, the list is time travel. So is internet video.

So is just recording in general, because right now you are watching this now but now for me is later for me yes and you're watching it now which is and by the time most people experience this like when they watch the clip or whatever we're going to be doing something entirely you're watching the past you're you're looking into the past yeah you know it's gonna be really weird you might as well be alive how like history is going to be perfectly preserved almost you know with all of this data and all these videos that in the future their supercomputers gonna be able to go through all of these videos and be like here's what really happened i i bet they're gonna be able to build supercomputers that can show video of potential futures as well so now we look at video of the past yeah that'd be interesting what

were you gonna say no i agree with you i was gonna thing. Jack Martin says, why would Trump commit so hard to the fraud narrative if he and his team didn't truly believe they have a rock-solid case? I think they do. That's an easy one because it gives Trump

an enormous amount of pleasure to watch his enemies in the media squirm impotently. And it also gives him an out without being a loser. And it also is a fundraiser for him. And it makes his fans happy because it's fun for them.

He's fighting. He's fighting to the bitter end, tooth and nail. He's going to say, I didn't lose. It was stolen. So he'll always be the winner. And that's a narrative. It's very powerful. Wow.

May I put my two cents in? I think that he actually does some very solid evidence. I have no idea what it is. I think it's a lot more solid than you guys think. And I guess we'll see. Oh, that's a good point. That's my two cents. I'm not, you know. I know. Tim's not is. I think it's a lot more solid than you guys think and I guess we'll see. Oh, that's a good point. That's my two cents. I'm not, you know.

I know. Tim's not sold. Tim's not sold. It's okay. For a while, I was thinking they did but as time goes on, I'm kind of just.

Yeah, time is getting on. Yeah, I tweeted about this. I said, release the Kraken. It's trending on Twitter. I said, it sounds an awful lot like trust the plan.

Yeah. Like, I'm chilling. If you guys have evidence, I look forward to seeing it, you know. And then Viva Frey, who's this lawyer, said the longer they wait to release it the bigger it's going to need to be yeah yeah absolutely and so i'm not i'm not convinced i'm not i mean they talk about all this stuff openly like dominion voting systems and was it was smart smart tech or whatever

the company's called i don't know that yeah what is that it's the software company that like these companies have shady backgrounds and shady histories and there's been you know uh questions about whether or not the machines can be manipulated i firmly believe and i'm talking about john because i watched john oliver and john oliver told me naturally they can very easily hack these machines so i believe it uh in that case i believe it's possible they have evidence they do um i i can't imagine that a year ago john oliver was saying it's current year they evidence. They do. I can't imagine that a year ago, John Oliver was saying it's current year. They're hacking voting machines. And there wasn't some, you know, someone paying attention to this.

Tim, it's no longer current year. Duh. So a year later, 2019. But listen, I'll tell you this. Do you have confidence that the Trump team was paying enough attention and prepared enough to actually catch evidence of vote machine manipulation. Or are they just now after the fact going, oh, yeah, hey, look. Yeah, that's what it looks like. I have confidence that democracy is when the good guys win and a coup or populism is when the wrong people win.

They do not believe in democracy other than an ex post facto rationalization for what they wanted to do the entire time. Just like Amy, remember? Amy Comey Barrett. Oh, it's a legitimate. You know, the senators don't have rights to point or we're going to walk out of the hearing. That was two weeks before the election. Right. Have to wonder why they pushed her through so quickly.

They could have approved her in the lame duck session, but they chose to do it just before the election. Well, I thought it was smart to galvanize their voters. I mean. I thought it was very smart. I think the issue... Across the right wing, sorry to interrupt you, that was clearly

Trump's biggest accomplishment was the Supreme Court. Yes, but then people of all... So the question is, if people are already satisfied with what he's done, why won't they go vote? And there was a question of,

if they don't approve her, will it then be like, everybody go vote to make sure? It could potentially send out more Democrats, though. Sure. Maybe. Or maybe he just wanted to get it done because... be like everybody go vote to make sure it could potentially send out more democrats though sure maybe or maybe he's wanting to get it done because i think the question is is she going to play a role in a supreme court ruling for trump i think what i'm looking forward to is them building on

the heller decision what's that the heller decision is what for the first time the supreme court adjudicated that the second amendment is in fact an individual right and if it is an individual right then lots of these laws at different cities are up for grabs in terms of their legality just gone or i know about gone but the supreme court's going to look at them in a different context now there's now there's room to build on that lawsuit so basically i can get like you know like a 200 round drum for a handgun or something and just like carry it around well the premise is if abortion is not subject to regulation, as many people would have it, and free speech is not subject to regulation, maybe we'll have it. If the Supreme Court regards it in the same context as the others too, what's your legal argument for splitting these hairs? Right.

Interesting. Well, we've gone a bit over as per usual. As we do. But thanks for hanging out, everybody. Make sure you smash the Like button. Do it. Smash it. Smash it. And sure you smash the like button. Do it. Smash it. Smash it.

And subscribe. Hit the notification bell. We're live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. We're going to have a really fun show tomorrow, so make sure you come and hang out. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram and Parler at TimCast, and you can check out my other YouTube channels,

YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. Michael, thank you so much for coming on. Do you want to promote your underwear again? YouTube.com slash MichaelMallisOfficial, Twitter.com slash MichaelMallis

and MalcolmStyleLocals.com and if you go to SheathUnderwear.com and use promo code MALLIS20, you get 20% off and you could have your underwear

holding your genitals the entire time you're on a podcast. It's a lot of fun. I love it. And you know what? They have camouflage underwear so your genitalia can be even more podcast. It's a lot of fun. I love it. And you know what? They have camouflage underwear, so your genitalia can be even more invisible. It's like someone's gripping your

junk while you're sitting there in your chair for three hours the whole time. Oh, there you go, man. I wish you the best in selling many pairs. You can get my pants. Why don't we call it a pair of underwear? Do we call it a pair? We call it a pair of pants. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, British people call them pants. It is, yeah. Pants, plural? Pantalones. Yeah. A piece of. Yeah, British people call them pants. It is, yeah. Pants, plural?

Pantalones. Yeah. A piece of underwear? A pant. Yeah. It should just be a pant. They do say pant. They say this like a carpenter pant.

That's interesting. That's weird. Pants. How do we say it? A pair of underwear? Yeah. That sounds weird. There's two legs. I like how we're all immigrants all of a sudden.

How they say in this country, pair underwear? That's crazy. A piece? A piece of a piece a unit of underwear i would like a proof of underwear you're on to something about the pair thing being weird i'm not the first person who said it but uh you want to you want to i just totally made a bad joke there um hey tell me about your books real quick well what do you want to know just what are they called so the dear reader is is the unauthorized autobiography of kim jong-il so it's everything you need to know about north korea in a book super and i want to make it entertaining that you could be in the bathroom or

uh the beach because all the books out there are too dark so this is literally everything you should know i went there did the research and then you write is uh about right populism or i work correctly anti-left um political movements that you're not supposed to talk about. And the next one's going to be called the white pill. Very cool. It's about why the good guys won and why they will win again. Well, that,

that makes me a very hopeful Michael. Thank you. That's the white pill. And I'm Ian Crossland. You can follow me on most social networks, including mine's YouTube, Twitter, Facebook,

Instagram. And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids, who is producing over there. Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S. Right on. We will be back tomorrow at 8pm live. So again, before you go, do us a favor. Smash the like button. Also, make sure

to check us out on all podcast platforms. If you want to listen after the fact, or maybe you missed a show, you get up in the morning, we're on everywhere. We're on iTunes, Spotify, all that stuff. And you can tell your friends. It's okay. You can let them know this is the best podcast ever. Fact. Yes. Absolutely. And especially when Michael's on the show.

It's never going to happen again. No, it's over. You're done. How dare you sell underwear? This is not an underwear kind of show. This is a commando show. That's right. We will see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you next time. Bye, guys. Thank you.