Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #173 - Sean Parnell Joins To Discuss Lawsuit Over Mail Voting, This Could Change EVERYTHING

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

Tim and Lydia host recent congressional candidate in Pennsylvania and retired Army captain Sean Parnell (@SeanParnellUSA on Twitter) as he breaks down what his lawsuit is attempting to do for the vote...rs of Pennsylvania.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just when I think all is said and done, and I'm sitting there in my room on my show saying, look, I don't think Trump can win. He's got a lottery tickets chance, if anything. Then all of a sudden, some things change. And now we've got breaking news. The Trump campaign says Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan are going to hold public hearings in the 2020 election, where they're going to be going over evidence, allegations. And it would seem that there actually is a decent amount. But the other day when people were saying, you know, Trump approved the transition and, you know, Pennsylvania got certified, things are all over. I said, I'm not entirely convinced.
Starting point is 00:00:34 And there's one big reason. And that is there's going to be there is another lawsuit over the constitutionality of mail-in voting. So Sean Parnell, who you ran in which district? Pittsburgh, but which Pennsylvania 17th Congressional District. So you are and you're still a candidate for that district, right? Because it's not certified or what? Yeah, actually, no, it's not certified yet. Nope. I'm still still a candidate.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Haven't conceded. And please excuse the beard. It's no shave November. Right. All right. So yes. So yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:04 We're going to we're going to go over all of what's going on. And, man, you were telling me some crazy stuff earlier. So we've got some sounds like evidence of impropriety at the very least. We'll put it that way. For sure. For sure. I mean, look, the election itself was I think that anybody that's looking at this in a fair-minded way would tell you that this election was a nightmare, right? It's the first time that any major country has
Starting point is 00:01:33 used universal mail-in voting at a scale like we have. And there were abnormalities, oh my gosh, can't speak today, and statistical irregularities and anomalies in almost every state that it was used in. So I think the American people have a right to be suspicious of the process, given that it was the first time it was ever used. Most European countries have banned universal mail-in voting or the mail-in ballot because of the propensity for fraud. Let's jump in. Before we get started with everything, subscribe, smash the like button, hit the notification bell because we're just going to dive in.
Starting point is 00:02:11 But that being said, again, like button, subscribe. Canada apparently doesn't even use any of this stuff. So like you've got Dominion voting, which there was like some hubbub. Everyone's got these theories about what Dominion is doing. But it's really funny because in Canada there was this tweet where they said, like some official Canadian account said, no, we do everything by paper. And we have three scrutineers who watch to make sure everything is done perfectly and securely. In the U.S., we have a mishmash of random systems across the board. They're all different.
Starting point is 00:02:39 You mentioned mail-in voting and it's insecure and things like that or it's never been tried before but the bigger issue is that it was implemented at the last minute it was an 11th hour election rule change right and i can't believe i was surprised that it actually it was implemented in many states many states eased up the rules for absentee many states just declared universal mail-in ballots just mailed them out to everybody that to me was crazy how can you change the rules of an election and strip away its integrity at the last minute so pennsylvania pennsylvania didn't mail a ballot to everybody right their system was a little bit different but the pa state legislature in 2019 passed a law called Act 77, which expanded the no excuse absentee ballot program. And that that would require about, you know, if people wanted a ballot, they could request a
Starting point is 00:03:34 ballot via an application and apply for an absentee, no excuse absentee ballot for no reason. We embrace that program or did the best that we could to embrace that program. I think Republicans are inherently and many independents as well. And certainly some Democrats are inherently suspicious of that program because they like to show up and vote in person. Right. But we embraced the program during the campaign. It was something that we hate. Make sure you mail in your absentee vote. But the problem is, you know, after the the election when we started doing some digging you know starting at the very beginning right because again we've i've already made the point that i
Starting point is 00:04:12 feel like the election was kind of a nightmare an organizational nightmare and you alluded to it where different states have different systems and everything was implemented at the last minute um and so we started at the very beginning. We started looking at Act 77, and something that became manifestly apparent to us was that Act 77 was implemented in an unconstitutional way. The Pennsylvania state constitution is very clear when it comes to absentee voting. There are four different categories for it it's actually quite specific in what what defines uh an absentee vote and to change the pennsylvania constitution to an elect an election overhaul requires two votes in in a state legislative session back to back so the
Starting point is 00:05:01 general assembly would have to vote on act 77 right the universal no excuse absentee program in pennsylvania twice advertise it in two different newspapers for three months and then put it on the ballot so that the people so they vote on it couldn't even change it until after election day so right so the constitutional amendment process in the state of pennsylvania and i think even for the federal constitution, is lengthy and onerous. But it is that way for a reason, right? Because in the state of Pennsylvania, the people, right, have a say in how they would like to conduct their elections. But with Act 77, they were never given that ability, right? And so, and here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:39 The PA state legislature, and I think the governor knew that, and they started the constitutional amendment process, but they stopped it. And they just passed the law the government signed it uh the governor signed it and we implemented a law what i personally believe is an unconstitutional law because we did not amend the constitution appropriately and give the people a voice in the process so to start off just to get to the key point, you are part of a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of mail-in voting in Pennsylvania. Yes. You are saying in the suit that the Constitution clearly defines what an absentee ballot is. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Act 77 essentially bypassed what the Constitution says. And it sounds like, I think it's a fact, the legislator knew that. The legislator knew this because they started the constitutional process and then stopped it. It's literally what you just said, right? Yeah, the constitutional amendment process was started. And then they stopped it. And then stopped. So you clearly – there's no denying they knew what they were doing was unconstitutional.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I think maybe some did, Tim. I think that this is kind of just how our system works, right? Sometimes laws are implemented, and they've been implemented for a while. And after they've been on the books for a while, we realize that they're unconstitutional. I think that it's fair to say some people in the legislature knew it might have constitutional problems. For example, I'll tell you, Governor Wolf and Attorney General Shapiro and even, you know, Conor Lamb have all made the point, oh, Sean wants to throw out 2.5 million absentee ballots.
Starting point is 00:07:18 That's not the point, okay? It's not about mail-in, good mail in ballots, bad. It's about the process by which the state legislature used to implement and the governor signed and execute the law itself. It's so let me ask you this. Is it important, Tim, that we pass laws here in this country that are constitutional? Well, in the way you framed it in that capacity yes i would say the answer is yes well well we don't i would say that we often just pass laws we probably shouldn't just keep passing laws over and over but if you were to frame it as you always have to over complicate things should should all of our laws passed be in accordance with the constitution or constitutional they should they
Starting point is 00:07:59 should be constitutional and the point is is that is it the fault of the people who cast mail-in ballots thinking that the system was lawful? Is it their fault? Absolutely not. Should they have their ballot thrown out? Absolutely not. Right? But those ballots, the law itself, Act 77 itself is clearly, in my opinion, unconstitutional. And so the point that we make in the lawsuit, and again, we're not trying to disenfranchise 2.5 million people who cast a mail-in. I think that when
Starting point is 00:08:29 laws are passed, citizens have reason, they believe that laws are in fact lawfully passed, right? They just adhere to the system that is given to them. But the point that we're making in the lawsuit is the pa state legislature along with the governor of pennsylvania disenfranchised all voters in pennsylvania by they already did all voters not just people that mailed in a ballot i'm talking democrat independent and republican every voter in the state of pennsylvania in my opinion was disenfranchised because an unconstitutional law was passed and And this lawsuit, for me, it does not seek to change a past election, right? What I'm looking to do is to make sure that we reform elections moving
Starting point is 00:09:13 forward, right? There needs to be systems in place to make sure that we protect the will of the people and that every vote is counted. Now, by the way, even people who voted against me, right? Our constitutional system of government is important. Our constitution either means something or it doesn't. And what I'm trying to do is reestablish some constitutional integrity when it comes to our elections and make sure that, hey, if you want to establish a mail-in ballot program, if you want Act 77 to pass, pass it the right way. Do a constitutional amendment.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Give the people of this state a say in the process, which is that is outlined and prescribed in the PA state constitution. That's what the whole point of the lawsuit is. I don't think it necessarily matters what your goal is, what you're requesting in terms of the lawsuit, because I think a judge will determine whether you can or can't disenfranchise or whether the remedy is you have to so i think i think about beyond this what might happen i have no idea you're talking about the remedy i think this that's the tough right that's the tough part i think the court can do a number of different things you know and in the court case the media
Starting point is 00:10:22 seizes on this one line because they ask you like, well, what relief do you want? Or throw a couple things in there that you think could happen. Well, you could certainly throw out the ballots and consider them illegal. Is that ideal? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:10:34 A judge could also say, you know what? 2020 was conducted in an unconstitutional way, but kick Act 77 back to the legislature and say, fix it. A judge could also say, you know what? Every voter in the state of Pennsylvania was disenfranchised. We're going to have a special election, right? So that no one is disenfranchised, right? We're going to do it the right way. But they've got until December 8th for the presidential election.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Correct. Correct. So look, all I'm saying is, is there are a number of different scenarios that the court could use to remedy the situation. The first question, though, Tim, that we need to answer is Act 77 unconstitutional. I believe that it is. And once we answer that question, our lawsuit specifically, now, again, we throw some, you know, because the court specifically asked, how would you fix this, right? So we threw a couple things in there about, you know, how it could be fixed, right? But we specifically defer to the court's expertise on helping to remedy the situation. And again, this is exactly how our system of government was designed.
Starting point is 00:11:39 And people, I'm telling you, the liberals in this state, from Tom Wolf, the Attorney General Shapiro, to Conor Lamb, all attack me about wanting to throw out votes. No, that is not the case. And you'll notice that they're not addressing the constitutionality of Act 77. They're just trying, that's the liberal talking point. Oh, Sean just wants to disenfranchise voters. No, I'm up on the parapet taking shots from both sides of the aisle, right? The PA state legislature is Republican controlled, right? This is not about party politics to me.
Starting point is 00:12:07 I did not take an oath to defend a political party. I took an oath to defend the Constitution and the people of this state, regardless of their political party, right? That your super sexy music video, Will of the People. Look, Tim, you might think it's old fashioned or a little out of style, but I believe in the Constitution. I'm not in this for power. I don't think it's old-fashioned. I believe in the Constitution, too.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Well, you know. Great. You look at what's happening in our country. now, Tim, if we don't take, if we don't bring this, this argument to the court, now the people of the state of Pennsylvania would be at the whims of, of a governor who could write a law or legislature that could write a law and crayon and impose it on the people. And that, that isn't right. If laws are unconstitutional and people have been like, well, why didn't you, why did you wait until after the election? Well, the simple answer to that question is I didn't freaking know. Like two point five million people in the state.
Starting point is 00:13:08 I assume the law was constitutional. But when we find out a law is unconstitutional, it is our duty as American citizens to say no and challenge that law. And that's what we're doing. And so I'm proud of the lawsuit because I know moving forward, if if we can bring a level of reform to elections in the state of Pennsylvania, it will be good for everybody. If there's some kind of relief, like throw out the election, do another one. That's going to throw the presidential election into question as well. It could. Again, I don't know that a judge will do that uh there have been instances in the past like a congressional
Starting point is 00:13:45 election in north carolina where there was evidence of fraud or ballot harvesting and a judge threw it out and said do it again wasn't that relatively recently like there was some some uh yeah it was a couple years ago it was a couple years ago but there was also a presidential election that wasn't really that long ago a couple decades ago i think where like one state was called into question and they just got no electoral votes issued or something like that. You would know better than me, Tim, I think. But I was reading something about it. My primary goal here is to protect the will of the people and to protect our Constitution
Starting point is 00:14:13 and making sure that we don't pass unconstitutional laws. And look, I know a lot of people in the PA state legislature, like a lot of those men and women are my friends. I think they're great people. But to me, this isn't about politics. It's about doing things the right way. The most important part of the constitutional process in terms of overhauling our electoral system in Pennsylvania is giving the people a say in how they want their elections conducted. It should go on the ballot.
Starting point is 00:14:42 They should vote on it. But it wasn't done. So you know what? To me, it's unconstitutional so uh does the trump campaign or anyone involved in trump campaign have anything to do with this no that's another thing liberals like oh you just do what donald trump wants if you if you're saying that about me then you don't know me pretty well you don't know me all that well that's not that's not the president has nothing to do uh with this campaign if you wanted to be a part of the lawsuit, I wouldn't say no,
Starting point is 00:15:06 because I think I supported the president. I think he's done an unbelievable job for this country. And I'll tell you, he hasn't been given a fair shake, not at all. Oh, definitely not. Not at all. And that to me is a travesty.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And I'll tell you, I don't want to get too off topic, but seeing the shift in how the media treated President Trump for four years to now how they're treating Joe Biden is sickening and they're shameless. You see what they've been saying? They said Donald Trump – they all have this new line they're pushing where they said Donald Trump was like drinking Tabasco for four years. Oh, I saw. Yeah, they keep using that line.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Joe Biden is like sipping unflavored almond milk. And my response was actually Joe Biden is like when you're like like really thirsty so you like go to the fridge and you're like you know maybe i have to work out and you open the fridge and there's nothing in there just milk and you're like i just drink the milk you grab it you crack it you start chugging it and all of a sudden you notice something thick and you're like wait there's a chunk in there and you pull it down and it's spoiled and then you run in the sink and start barfing all over the place that's like but that actually is the perfect analogy. The people who voted for him not realizing what he was and now what they're going to get.
Starting point is 00:16:09 There was a poll that came out today that said something like – gosh, I couldn't quote it. There was a Newsbusters poll. Yes, about like 50 percent of the people didn't know about the Hunter Biden story. And if they knew about it, 9 percent of the people would shift their vote away from him. And that's a real problem. But not even that. They didn't know the record economy. They didn't know about energy independence.
Starting point is 00:16:28 They didn't know about the peace deals. They didn't know about the troop withdrawal. And when presented that information, they all said, oh, I would have voted for that. So the media keeping all of that, not reporting on it, was helping Joe Biden. We all knew it was helping Joe Biden. We said it was helping Joe Biden. And there you go. And look, people are treated like they're conspiracy theorists if they're suspicious of an election.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Now, look, we've never done mail-in ballots on the scale that we've done. It's the first time it's ever been done. President Trump is more popular today than he was in 2016. 10 million more people voted for him, Tim. He did better with African-Americans. He did better with Latino-Americans. If you told me in 2016 that President Trump was 10 million more people were going to vote for the guy, but it wasn't going to be enough because Joe Biden was going to get 80 million
Starting point is 00:17:18 votes. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding? 11 million more than Obama. That's crazy. At the height of his popularity right right and i'm sorry president obama and look again like people people make the mistake of thinking like i'm a blindly partisan guy president obama it was a movement right oh definitely people people
Starting point is 00:17:37 i've looked for him people loved president obama don't tell me for a second that joe biden was more popular than president obama at the height his popularity. You could see people can see things. People can connect the dots on their own and draw draw suspicions. The argument the argument there is, though, that it's actually no one cares about Biden. They were voting against Trump. So that's what they say. But that's what the media says to him. But I don't buy it because, you know, I don't need that.
Starting point is 00:18:00 You know, we're not completely at least a dislike of President Trump doesn't drive what? Like 80 million people to the polls out here. So people are seeing things like this. So in Allegheny County, that's Pittsburgh, right? Eighty five percent of which is 85 percent of Allegheny County north of the city of Pittsburgh is in my district. Now, Joe Biden got the second highest voter turnout in Allegheny County in the history of this country. Second only to Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, okay? When 30% more people lived in Allegheny County.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Wow. 30% more populace. But he got the second highest vote total, just a couple thousand votes. So people are rightfully suspicious of that process. And then you combine that with mail-in voting and it makes people wonder, like 70 plus million people in this country. And this is part of the reason why this lawsuit is so important. Because if we don't set some parameters to our electoral system in this country right 70 plus million people in this country will never trust an election again i don't i don't think they will i think it we're at you
Starting point is 00:19:12 know i'm seeing people say there's some people saying don't vote republican in georgia that's because yeah i know because the republicans aren't supporting trump then i'm seeing other people say no no no don't give up you have to have to stop them from taking this the senate but uh a lot of people are just saying, why? If they cheated now, they'll cheat then. What's the point? Well, so the point is, number one, we can't allow that to happen because our country means something. Our country is the greatest benevolent force that's ever existed on the face of the planet.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Our country is a bright beacon of hope for people you know i want my kids to grow up in a country that is rich with opportunity uh and and vibrant and free like a country that i had when i was a kid i want my kids to be able to put a skate park in their freaking garage if they work hard enough right yeah i want that for my kids but right now that's that's at risk and so you know people are like it's funny how like people treat me like, you know, I think publicly, at least the left, like I'm just some sort of run of the mill politician that like would love to make a career in government. Like I've got a pretty great life in the private sector. You know, the president called me off the sidelines, like when, you know, serving the
Starting point is 00:20:18 people of the state of Pennsylvania or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or the people of PA 17 would be the greatest honor of my life. I'm in this for service, right? Me winning a congressional seat in Western Pennsylvania means a pretty significant pay cut for me. I'm not in this for the money. I'm in this to serve the people. And you have served.
Starting point is 00:20:35 And I have served. And here's, but here's the thing, Tim, the point that I'm building to is that the people at this point in time in this country don't have a choice. We have to fight because if we lose those two Senate seats in Georgia, this country will never look the same again. You can bet that the Democrats will pack the court. Why? Because they've said they were going to pack the court. You can bet that the Democrats with control of all three branches of government will add
Starting point is 00:21:02 two more states. Why? Because they've said they were going to add two more states and they want to make sure republicans never win again absolutely you could bet that the electoral college will go away forever why because they said the electoral college will go away forever we have to we have to win those two that we have to win those two senate seats in georgia and and if we win those two senate seats in Georgia, I think we'll likely pick up more seats in 2022. But in the meantime, in the meantime, we have to fight to protect our electoral system. So make sure that people have faith in them.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So, yeah, I'm willing to get up on the parapet and take shots from Republicans and Democrats because, you know, you know, the Republicans are mad at me because PA state legislature that passed Act 77 were largely Republican controlled. Again, I don't think they knew that it was unconstitutional. I think that they were just trying to make the system better. I don't know if I agree. If they started the process and then backed off of it, sounds like they knew it was unconstitutional. It sounds to me like they went, hey, wait a minute. We need an amendment. We're not going to be able to pass this amendment because no one's going to approve of it.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So just ram it through. Well, what they did. That is damning evidence. We make the distinction in our lawsuit is that they changed the name from absentee to mail-in. Right. So but what they did was make a distinction. And we make this case. They made a distinction without without there being a difference, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Right. So, yeah, they just claimed the distinction, but they're the same thing. And so the idea is, you know, so I also make another point, you know, and this is a message to the if I if if Act 77 is in fact deemed unconstitutional. And I really hope and pray that it will be. President Trump was the first president to win the state of Pennsylvania since Ronald Reagan. The first Republican. Yes. president trump was the first president to win the state of pennsylvania since ronald reagan the first republican yes yeah the first republican to win since ronald reagan and in after 2016 between 2016 and 2020 republicans in the in the pa state legislature said you know what let's just change the whole system right it's the weirdest You know, you know, if there was if people were if there was some structure to our electoral system in Pennsylvania. Right. I think President Trump still wins.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I don't think Attorney General Shapiro wins. I think, you know, I probably I win, you know The mail-in ballot program. And here's another thing. I don't think that the Republicans in the PA state legislature expected Governor Wolf to remove every safeguard that makes mail-in voting safe. I think that's a very important point to make. He removed the deadline. He removed the postmark requirement. He removed signature verification he watered down the integrity of the ballot so much that how could you possibly verify who's sending in the voters
Starting point is 00:23:51 the person actually voting and so yes tim people are rightfully skeptical of this election and i don't think that that i don't think that's a problem or a conspiracy theory well there's a there's a lot of evidence that fraud occurred there's a lot of evidence of irregularityity. There is, according to the Voter Integrity Fund, have you heard of these guys? Yes. According to them, it's, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but what they're asserting is widespread voter fraud, that they found in Georgia a thousand plus votes that had commercial addresses with apartment numbers listed to trick essentially the system into thinking these non-residential addresses were actually residential sounds like that person should not like it's not a real person voting so i wonder though in pennsylvania with you've said people are rightly rightfully suspicious
Starting point is 00:24:34 we did talk a little bit before the show but i'm wondering if you think there was fraud or if you've seen anything well i would say that there are say that there are definite anomalies. There are definite irregularities. And just today, I saw what looks to be pretty compelling evidence of voter fraud, a combination of voter fraud and ballot harvesting in nursing homes in Beaver County. Now, Beaver County is hundred percent in my district and we noticed actually i it was the republican chairman of beaver county his name's jim uh christiana along with the sheriff tony guy two great great people uh they noticed that there are a lot of people in nursing homes in beaver county that had requested a ballot filled out a ballot and returned it all on the
Starting point is 00:25:20 same day now that was a sort of an anomaly is it is that wait how do you how do you request it then get it on the same day well they gotta send it to you i mean maybe maybe somebody delivers the ballots and people fill it out but no but like if if you request it did someone just run over like yeah make a phone call i'd like about and they run and give it to you yes well yeah yes yes and so that was suspicious in fact that's in the beaver county times you can probably you can look it up you can find find the article where Jim Christiana talks about the nursing homes. And and so he did a sort of freedom of information request and requested 2000 ballots from those nursing homes. And what he found immediately, Tim, was that, like, all of the signatures match. All of the handwriting was the same.
Starting point is 00:26:13 And of the four nursing home facilities that he looked at, the handwriting matches were in batches, but these were all union-controlled nursing homes where the signatures and the handwriting was exactly the same. And I've seen it with my own two eyes today with Tony Guy and Jim Christiana. They showed this stuff to me today. And so, look, I'm not saying that that is fraud, but I can tell you that we're going to pass that to the U.S. attorney of the Western District of Pennsylvania. And we're going to let them decide. We're going to let them do an investigation. Is it definitively fraud? I mean them do an investigation. Is it fraud? Is it,
Starting point is 00:26:45 is it definitively fraud? I mean, without an investigation having been conducted, I mean, I I'll be careful with my words. I don't know, but so I actually, I pulled it up.
Starting point is 00:26:54 I pulled up it's times online and it says a Beaver County nursing homes. Christiana questions, mail-in ballots. They mentioned there's 2000 mail-in ballots following a, you know, strange pattern, a questionable patterns. These patterns require the next step to be a review of the outside envelopes to see if there's any forgery.
Starting point is 00:27:13 And that's what we look – that's what I'm talking about. Those are the 2,000 ballots that I saw today. The handwriting is the same. There are forgeries of signatures. So that sounds like harvesting. And I'm telling you right now, there's no question in my mind. I've seen the handwriting. I've seen the signatures.
Starting point is 00:27:33 There's no question in my mind that what Jim Christiana has – he's reviewed those 2,000 ballots. He's looked at them. So who is he? He's a Republican? He's the Republican chairman of Beaver County, along with Tony Guy, who is the sheriff out in Beaver County. So what have you done with the evidence? What have I – We just – he called me. Jim called me about this last night. Told me about it last night. Who is the sheriff out in Beaver County? So what have you done with the evidence? What if we just look, we, we just, he,
Starting point is 00:27:45 he called me, Jim called me about this last night, told me about it last night, showed me the evidence this morning. And what, what Jim is going to do along with, with Tony again, who is,
Starting point is 00:27:58 who is the sheriff is, you know, in all likelihood, turn the evidence over to the, the district attorney, Dave Lozier out in beaver county another great human being uh and they're going to pass that information to the uh u.s attorney in the western district of pennsylvania feds yes absolutely absolutely you know because
Starting point is 00:28:15 look again this if we are talking about this stuff right now it never comes to light and the likelihood of it happening again is very high close to one the people have a right to know if this stuff is happening is is it can i say on the show with 100 certainty that that's voter fraud no because there's not been an investigation done but i'm a human being that that can put two and two together all the handwriting is exactly the same and you've seen them i've seen them so and it's going to u.s attorneys yes all right well my concern is i don't know if they're going to do anything i don't trust them well well the district so dave lozier and the district attorney uh they're the district attorney dave lozier and
Starting point is 00:28:55 and then uh the i the the u.s attorney they're both great human beings i trust them i trust them scott brady is the u.s attorney in western pennsylvania good people all right um i trust them but here's the deal a criminal investigation of something like this is going to take a long time will that impact the outcome of the 2020 election i don't know well it's only 2 000 votes well that's but there are there are something like eight nine total we only look at four or eight or nine total nursing homes. And that's just in and around the Beaver County area. And that doesn't even count Allegheny County, which is where 80, I would say probably 80% of the vote comes from in PA 17. So what this could do, like, look,
Starting point is 00:29:38 if we start expanding an investigation into other nursing home facilities, how many votes would that mean? Now, I don't know if that's going to be enough to affect the presidential. But it will affect down-ballot congressional races and down-ballot state House and Senate races. Absolutely. So should we look into that? We absolutely should. imagine if you find widespread fraud or harvesting which is i believe would still be fraud then at a certain point you're not going to have the time to actually investigate every single nursing home
Starting point is 00:30:11 you'd have to just i don't know cancel the election because if you're finding widespread fraud here's the problem okay to clarify because i know the left is going to be like how dare you there's no there's no solution there There's none. There is no solution to this problem. We have reached an impasse where no matter what you do, you're going to set off tens of millions of people. It sounds like, based on what I read about your lawsuit, it sounds like you're correct. I'm not a lawyer, but based on the stories that I read and going through it, your lawsuit about the constitutionality of mail-in ballots. Yeah. Sounds like they couldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Sounds like they knew they couldn't and they tried changing some words to get around it. And that creates a problem where now the Democrats are saying we won and you're saying this is the Republicans fault. The Republicans passed this, this Act 77. Yeah. And it's now it's screwing over. I'm careful to say it's their fault because, again, Tim, I think there are laws that are passed that are unconstitutional that are on the books for years. And we don't realize that they're unconstitutional for years later. So my point is this is how our system of government is intended to work. Sometimes we don't always know if a law is unconstitutional or not.
Starting point is 00:31:17 And that's why we rely on the courts. I don't mean like it was intentional, but it is their fault. If they passed a law that was unconstitutional and it causes problems with the election where it's got to be thrown out ballots are well well the the but let's not let governor wolf off the hand off the hook he's certainly and how about the attorney general point like the attorney general who is also a democrat uh josh shapiro should have probably caught it before it was was passed yeah but you know do you know do you know why do you know why they didn't do you know why and there are attacks on me which they've all like every democrat in the state of pennsylvania and and believe me they've fired up their base they've
Starting point is 00:31:52 they've i've had death threats my attorneys have had death threats about this wow it is not about it is not about throwing out 2.5 million mail-in ballots the people who cast a mail-in ballot and thought that the system was legitimate and then act 77 was constitutional this is not about that for me as much as the media would want to write those sensationalist headlines and the left is attacking me for for wanting to throw out those ballots that's not true but you'll notice in their attacks they're not addressing whether right 77 is constitutional so so so any it sounds like we're at a point where it's it's these ballots are no good the election was no good in a lot of ways there's
Starting point is 00:32:32 potential even fraud we pulled up the beaver county times and it sounds like there's strange goings on here's the way here's the way i describe it you're walking down the street and you see a building smoke alarms going off all right what does a smoke alarm mean usually means there's a fire you don't see smoke you just hear the alarm so we call 9-1-1 figuratively and we say hey we're hearing alarm go off and the response we get is do you have evidence of widespread fire no but the smoke alarm is going off and they're like well we only come out if there's evidence of widespread no no no when i hear the smoke alarm you come out to check if there's fire so if we're seeing these anomalies, these signatures, these stacks of ballots, the FBI has to come in or whichever agency and actually launch an investigation.
Starting point is 00:33:14 They better do it PDQ because we have deadlines. And then the problem is if they don't. And now we're getting reports. We're going to have these hearings in three states. If these hearings, we actually get hard evidence presented, they're going to go over affidavits. And and I'll tell you, during the Michigan certification hearings, we had a guy call and rattle off a list of evidence of impropriety and potential fraud, and they ignore it. What's going to happen then if you don't investigate is all the legal challenges saying
Starting point is 00:33:41 you were made aware of this. You didn't we want an injunction and then what's what if the courts this is what people need to realize is that courts are humans and so even if something is technically correct they might not allow it and it comes down to the judge so there was uh one of the one of the cases trump lost the judge basically said you're right but we're not going to disenfranchise so in the future we'll just do it better that's called yeah that's called perspective and i'm not a lawyer but that's called perspective you're right, but we're not going to disenfranchise. So in the future, we'll just do it better. That's called, yeah, that's called perspective. And I'm not a lawyer, but that's called perspective relief. And so that could be one of the scenarios in this lawsuit with Act 77. They could say, yeah, 2020 was FUBAR, right?
Starting point is 00:34:16 But let's do it better in the future. And I can't, we can't do it. The thing is, is that I would be okay with that. But the country wouldn't. 73, 74 million Trump voters would say no. If they say right now in any capacity that this was unconstitutional, but we're going to let it stand, it's going to be, I don't even know how to describe what's going to happen. Well, here's the thing. I don't see, I don't, I don't see a court.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Well, I just don't know. I don't know how I, we've asked the court for help with a remedy right because that's the way our system of government is is supposed to function we hope that they that they step in and grant some sort of relief now the governor uh was not we weren't anticipating him certifying the results of the election today he did it just hours before we were supposed to uh be heard um heard in in in a not a hearing or a court it was like a telephone phone conference thing or whatever again i'm not a lawyer yeah i don't know what the hell they do i'm not i'm not a lawyer but um but he certified the results of the election, and during that time, the electronic filing system for the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania was down.
Starting point is 00:35:29 So what do you do? I feel like you've always got to err on the side of some kind of remedy against – some kind of system against impropriety or malicious intent. If there's a certification process and the electronic filing system goes down, then the court should be like, nope, no certification because you can't have emergency court filings being blocked or unable to process while someone's slipping through some major... Yeah. And Tim, we weren't asking the court to block certification to overturn an election we were blocking certification so that we would give us time to make our argument right and again we we were hoping to have time to make an argument to to the court uh and have them give some sort of decision or
Starting point is 00:36:18 remedy as to what to do uh with act 77 because again we believe that it disenfranchised all voters, not just people that mailed in a ballot, disenfranchised all voters. This is going to have serious impacts on the presidential election itself. We'll see. I mean, like you said, it's explosive, right? And courts are comprised of human beings. And I just don't know. But I will tell you this, that I believe that Act 77
Starting point is 00:36:47 is unconstitutional and on the merits. I don't think that anyone can deny that. It just is. You can't change the entire electoral system in Pennsylvania without a constitutional amendment. That simply was not done. I mean, for a lot of other states, I would imagine it's the same thing or similar in some capacity. I can't I was like I was mentioning earlier, surprised to, you know, when they were making all these sweeping changes to hear that courts were agreeing with it. Eleventh hour election changes. And of course, Democrats were very much OK with it. And you mentioned this to me on the show when you came in the first time that well they believe it's going to help them absolutely it's it's that that if democrat believe me when i tell you if democrats thought that mail-in
Starting point is 00:37:30 balloting would disproportionately help republicans they would be so against it of course you know and so so here here's the interesting thing about that the pa state constitution there is like an emergency provision where the governor and the legislature could invoke some sort of emergency power to overhaul an election system in the middle of an emergency like a pandemic to keep people safe. But they didn't do it. So why? You know, what's crazy to me is watching in Michigan. You see what happened with Michigan certification? Oh, with.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Yeah. First, you had Wayne County. Yeah. Republicans got threatened. They you had Wayne County. Yeah. Where – so I – Republicans got – they didn't want to certify and then there were – Death threats, family threats. And then they certified. One dude said, your kids probably go to this school.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Yeah. It's like right away someone's going to be like, please stop. I'll just sign whatever you want. And then after the fact, they signed sworn affidavits saying they rescinded their votes. And they were like, too bad. It's too late. You can't do anything. And it's the stupidest thing because what people need people need to
Starting point is 00:38:27 understand is that we don't live in a computer we're a country composed of people meaning if there's a here's what people don't get about like contracts right they have this movie-esque understanding of how contract law works where it's like if i take out a piece of paper and says sean parnell signs over all of his assets to me sign sign it, it's not going to hold up in court. The judge is going to be like, get out of here. That's not a real contract. But people think, oh, but you signed it. So when it comes to what happened in Michigan, you could have a hearing and the judge can be like, no, it's a good point.
Starting point is 00:38:57 They were getting threats. We can clearly see the threats. That's not a legitimate document. You can't put someone under duress to get them to sign a document and have it be upheld in court, especially when you can clearly prove it. The crazy thing about Michigan is that I was watching the actual hearing they had when I went to the State Board of Canvassers. And one of these guys, his name is Aaron Van Lengeveld, I think his name is, was just absolutely ignoring the evidence presented, or I should say this, you know, claims of evidence that people were calling and saying, here's a here's a document. Here's the individual. Here's the law. And no matter what anyone said to him, he was like, I have to certify. Nope, nope. One
Starting point is 00:39:35 guy read him the law like 10 times. And he's like, it says for any necessary purpose to certify, meaning to ascertain the truthfulness, you can adjourn goes i can't do that sorry so that it's crazy to me watching this republican be like nope there's literally nothing you can say i'll ignore the law i will ignore what's presented to us and i'm just going to do it and now they're certifying in michigan and then you have in pennsylvania with you i i was surprised certification even happened because i was like tracking i like, I was on the phone with my attorney when it happened. I'm like, oh, they just certified. Pennsylvania is like, what? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:09 So it just and they did it because they knew that once it was certified, it'd be a little bit more difficult for us to proceed with the case on an emergency basis. Right. They you know, what's funny is. And again, the electronic filing system was down coincidentally night you draw your own you draw your own conclusions there for the commonwealth court the electronic filing system was down people need to understand that when you're watching donald trump fight tooth and nail you know with the with a variety of lawsuits he has the democrats aren't sitting around doing nothing no they they've they've got their their version of fighting
Starting point is 00:40:43 and i suppose in some places like pennsy, it's ramming through certification before anyone realizes what's happening, because I didn't even realize I when when when I found out, I was like, wait, what? That was today. What? Because I was I was I was tracking certification of all these states. And I'm like, Michigan is this day. Here's what we're waiting for. The State Board of Canvassers. And then I thought Pennsylvania was going to be way later. Then it just happened.
Starting point is 00:41:06 And then I'm watching in Michigan, too, and it's the same thing. It's these weird – the Democrat strategy has been the entire time – you know what? I'm going to be careful in the words that I use, but since the beginning of the – even before 2016, I remember I was in San Jose, California. I think it was in 2015. I think it was 2015, maybe 2016. And I watched a guy walking out of a Trump rally,
Starting point is 00:41:29 just minding his own business. People were screaming at him. He looked all confused. And someone runs up behind him and smacked him in the back of the head with some bag full of heavy objects. And it caught him pretty bad. And he was bleeding. And he was all like, what's happening since that day and before. But for me, since that day, I've been watching them basically say to anybody who supports Republicans or Trump, we will physically hurt you. We will physically hurt your family. We will destroy your life. We will target your job if you dare say anything. Now, it's crazy. Trump's secret voters, they said in the press they didn't exist. Oh, no, Trump's secret vote is not a real thing. Nate Silver on 538. There's no secret Trump vote.
Starting point is 00:42:05 There's no evidence. And then all their polls were wrong by massive and historic margins. Again, this time again. This time. Worse than last time. Yeah. It was like, I think, between 4% to 7%. Trafalgar got it right to the extent that you can.
Starting point is 00:42:20 But I've been to two, no, three rallies with the president. You know, one in Latrobe, one in Moon Township, one in Butler. I've never seen anything like it in my life. They are positive. They're like a concert environment with the most diverse group of people that you can imagine. And they're all friendly they all love america they're fun people have a blast but then and then you then you drive home right and then you watch it portrayed on the media and they treat like they treat it like it's this plan
Starting point is 00:42:57 negative yeah it's the truth and they just the president makes jokes right on stage and when you're there in the moment, you can feel the environment. You know he's joking. But this is why I said leading into the show, you can't make jokes in politics, right? You can't have any fun. You can't make any jokes. But the president jokes. And then they take the president out of context.
Starting point is 00:43:20 And then they say he's saying some inflammatory remark. And they make the rally seem like they're super negative um and and they did this with me too like i went on a show with uh called un-pc on fox news the show is hosted by a stand-up comedian the whole point of the show is to take up unpolitically correct uh positions and defend them and make jokes and i i made jokes about the idea of independent women and it you know you know women need men and of course one of the hosts of the show is a woman who i'm friends with trying to like get her going a little bit we were having fun but what they did was during my during my campaign was clip that up and attack me like i like somehow i hate women it's like wait a second it's a comedy show that's not true that's part of the tactics we've seen over the past several years the cancel culture they they exactly so so so think about this trump managed to gain like what
Starting point is 00:44:10 is what is what is he up like 11 or 12 million 11 million voters over 11 million new voters more 11 million more people in 2020 voted for him but but here's the crazy thing so secret trump voters existed a lot of them and it was because of, in my opinion, many reasons, but the threats of the left to take your job away from you, you're a coward because you're going to wake up one day. Trump is going to lose. And you're going to say, if only I risked more. And instead, you are willing to sacrifice what you think this country needs for yourself. But this is not to drag those who are scared of the left. But the strategy of the Democrats the whole time has been partly because i would say there's a lot of activist groups but democratic activists know they've threatened people there have been mobs
Starting point is 00:45:10 they have come for the board of canvassers they came to my house they went to your house did you see did you see what they did to my they spray paint oh that's right yeah they came to my house yeah you know um you know people are oh, Parnell did that himself. I'm like, you think with – I got – between the two of us, we got six kids. You think I got time to go out and spray paint my damn garage with red paint? Like ain't nobody got time for that. Antifa does. They came to my house, you know.
Starting point is 00:45:39 And that's my thing. I'm an infantry combat veteran. I've been 485 days of heavy combat in the Hindu Kush mountains of heavy combat. My platoon took an 85% casualty rate. I took real life flak in Afghanistan. I was wounded over there. Literal flak. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:59 I can take this too. And to me, and I've said this to you before before but i mean it when i say i don't take an oath to a political party my my i love this country i love the people of this country and my my oath is to the constitution this isn't a popularity contest and maybe i'm in the wrong profession because elections are kind of like a popularity contest definitely but you know it's crazy it's crazy how politics it's it you know war and and politics uh go hand in hand it's a fight for control for power and you know in many instances and you know you'll give me thought you give me your thoughts on this but war happens when the speaking stops when that when the ability to
Starting point is 00:46:36 sure when the ability to control someone or get what you want ends with with negotiation they find another way to do it yeah they they say that that war is like the what the last 20 i don't remember i don't know what the phrase is like the last is you know the last 25 yards of foreign policy or something like a foreign policy fail for failure or whatever but um yeah i always say that politics is war just without the bullets you know uh it is and it is um you know but for me it's not about it's's not about having been in charge of soldiers' lives, right, where every decision that you make might mean, if it's a bad decision, that somebody goes home in a body bag. I've had real power at a young age. And what I learned in having that power is, one, learning to wield it responsibly, but not even wield it. Leadership is about taking the power that's bestowed upon you and giving it back to the people that you lead.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Right. And empowering them to do what they believe in their hearts is right. And so that's how I see the job of of politician. Right. And I hate that word. In fact, every time I say it, I throw it up in my mouth a little bit. But for me, this job, my ultimate goal, if I ever win an election in my life, would be to go to Washington, hit the reset button on everything, and then move back to western Pennsylvania and buy a farm and never talk to anybody else again when the mission is complete right because i am not uh you know being a politician in washington while it'd be a tremendous honor to represent the people that's not like the pinnacle of my life's ambition you know the challenge is the war is never ending you know in in in actual warfare you can take the ground and then you're like we got it you secure it we're good or whatever or
Starting point is 00:48:24 you know the war can be ended. But in terms of politics, there's always pushback. So you get into Congress and you say, hey, we're going to stop these things are unconstitutional. They're pushing back the whole time endlessly. Yeah. And the left and the thing about the left is that they know how to fight. They know how to organize. You know, Newt Gingrich says it says it best.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Republicans care about campaigns. Democrats focus on elections. Right. Interesting. He's right about that. You know, the campaign that we ran for Congress, I would say, was the best in the country. We had thousands and I mean thousands of volunteers. But they were changing the rules.
Starting point is 00:48:57 They were changing the rules. They changed the rules. And they said, you know, reminds me of that old quote. Put me in charge of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws. Who said that? Is that a real quote? Maybe it's just something on the internet. You just made that up?
Starting point is 00:49:10 Sure, you just made it up. Yeah, sounds pretty good. I think it was like Nathan Rothschild or something. Oh, Nathan Rothschild. Interesting. Well, I will tell you, you are right. I think you are right to a certain extent. They made sure the rules benefited them.
Starting point is 00:49:24 You know, you look at our experience on election night. Right. And I'll just walk through what happened right on election night. Had you know, we're spent we spent it with friends and family at my house. We'd run up the score. We were up on lamb on election night by 17 points. Oh, over 43,000, close to 45,000 votes. Like we were up on 45,000 votes on election night. And then all of a sudden Allegheny County stopped counting. And we're like, wait, why is Allegheny County stopping counting?
Starting point is 00:49:58 Why are they doing that? And so they're supposed to start counting again the day after Election Day at 10 in the morning. Right. Right. Did they start counting at 10 in the morning? No. Yeah. But a guy named Ritz Fitzgerald, who is the ranking member on the Board of Elections, went out and did a media blitz instead and said,
Starting point is 00:50:17 We're confident that when the election is done and the ballots are counted,man lamb is going to have a two percentage point lead huh and i'm sitting there with my team thinking well that is you know what that that takes some gumption you know that's that's a your boys prediction your boy yeah your boys down by 45 000 votes precise prediction we we knew on on election night and we had run tabulations these are not projections right because we knew how many mail-in ballots there were for lamb for me and independence and yeah and we said if lamb got everything he was supposed to get and i got everything i was supposed to get and we split independence even give him 60 of independence he had no mathematical path we'd have a margin of
Starting point is 00:50:58 victory about of over just over 13 000 votes people were calling us to congratulate us. I think a couple of news outlets called the race for us because, again, there was no honest mathematical path. But they found him. So after the Rich Fitzgerald's media blitz, they start counting the vote the day after Election Day at about 2.30. And the race tightened because Lamb had more mail-in votes than we did. And we expected that, right? And then at 8.30, or about 8.30,
Starting point is 00:51:32 there were two ballot dumps, one of 4,000, one of 9,000. All for Lamb. Almost exclusively all for Lamb. Do you know the percentage? Almost all for Lamb. Like 25 minutes later, listen, like 25 minutes later, he scampers
Starting point is 00:51:46 out to the podium and declares victory. Now there are still 25,000 ballots left to count. Like not, not mail-ins like provisionals and things like that. And in Beaver County and Butler County, how are you going out and declaring victory with a razor thin margin of like a thousand votes at that point? Unless you know something that i don't what did he what did he do before he ran for congress he was a federal prosecutor the guy's never known a job outside the government he's never had to earn a private paycheck in his life
Starting point is 00:52:14 but the point i'm trying to make is where what we're trying to get answers like where do those ballots come from you know yeah allegheny county so you you knew how many mail-in vote votes there were and that's not a projection we knew you know but then when they came in they were all for lamb is that what happened almost all almost all is that what surprised you yes yes or was the number of right now lamb is up by like 88 000 or so votes so that was the difference. Interesting. And so we still don't, we still don't know where,
Starting point is 00:52:48 where those ballots came from, but they weren't part of the original totals. Like I said, not, not that we were aware of. That's weird. But like, so,
Starting point is 00:52:56 and so on a smaller scale, right? So when you're talking about the same thing that happened to me on a smaller scale happened to, to the president in places like Milwaukee and Detroit and Philadelphia. Well, you're talking about Beaver County, these 2000 ballots that could change your election. Well, I don't know if it would be enough to change the election. But I will say in a few hours time, they found 2000 ballots that were very questionable.
Starting point is 00:53:31 Now, if we had more time looking more nursing home facilities, 8,000 votes in a race where, you know, 430, 440,000 people voted. Are you going to, are you going to call for a hard audit like the Pennsylvania
Starting point is 00:53:48 state legislature called for one and then they did it they had a committee and they said oh you know what we can't find a contractor to do it in 60 to 90 days so we can't do the audit but can't you do something about that we're trying to raise money um an election defense fund money and we're certainly doing that with the lawsuit with act 77 as we talked about and we need to look at each and every ballot those those mail-in ballots that's it that's exactly that's exactly it you need to have a democrat republican and an independent all look at it and verify it the challenge is but listen man i'll tell you this i honestly don't think any of that matters. You know why? It's a propaganda war. You could personally find a ballot that has never been folded, that looks machine printed, and the Democrats will call you a liar.
Starting point is 00:54:33 You could actually have a legitimate argument. This is unconstitutional, and we didn't know until now. And they'll say, you're just trying to cheat the election. Oh, and that's exactly what it is. It's just propaganda. Well, that's certainly what they're doing with me. It's about how many people can they convince which side to be on. oh oh that's and that's exactly it's just propaganda that well that's certainly how many that's certainly what they're doing with me it's about how many people can they convince which side to be on yeah it's true it's true and and the democrats are democrats are good at that they're good at that and that's so so to go back i did google search i do believe
Starting point is 00:54:57 that quote is not real you just made it up that's profound no no no it's a very famous quote on the internet but it's like attributed to different people. So I found a bunch of different sources saying it was Nathan Rothschild, but it's not confirmed. They also say it's attributed to Mayor Amschel Rothschild or maybe Andrew Fletcher. So Twitter told me that it was Mayor Rothschild. And I believe everything I read on Twitter. Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. I'll put it this way. Give me control of the rules of an election and i don't give a crap about someone's campaign i don't care how they campaign if you can change the rules then
Starting point is 00:55:34 what does it matter well and look that's certainly what that's certainly what the democrats did this election you know it's funny. Republicans end up losing because they didn't cheat. Well, I mean, what happens is is what what happens is is that, you know, out in California where ballot harvesting and stuff is legal is that two election cycles later, Republicans catch up and fight the way that they fight. And then we start winning again. But then you're like, then it's like, but there's's no election but is it an election or are we just playing a game but it's not just that it's that you don't have the media on your side to control and manipulate
Starting point is 00:56:11 narratives although i think or or schooling or entertainment or any cultural institutions that's another thing uh one of the quotes i heard is that republicans care about winning elections and democrats care about winning control of cultural institutions because politics is downstream from culture. Well, that's that's the truth. That's the truth. And that and that's why I part of the reason why I do what I do writing fiction and stuff like that. I mean, like it is because conservatives are really bad at it.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Well, yeah, I your stuff's probably good, though. Well, I am a I feel like i am an anomaly when it comes to mainstream conservatism like i i'm you know i play music i play the guitar but in high school play guitar and bass and uh i like music like i can appreciate art like there's a creative side to to me that i think a lot of conservatives don't have and i think you know you know democrats are very good at making emotionally resonant political arguments right yeah you know martin luther king was an amazing cultural icon i have a dream speech inspired 500 000 people to show up on the washington mall without emails or cell phones right but I have a dream was not I have a 10 point plan. This is like a sign stealing a little bit
Starting point is 00:57:28 from Simon Sinek here. But my point is, is that I feel like Republicans need to get better at making emotionally compelling arguments and not trotting on a 10 point plan. Yep. And so the Democrats end up with people who win power by promising, you know, whispering sweet nothings into the ears of their constituents. Like that's why there's a tendency. It's why the Democrats are the party of continually moving further and further left. Andrew Yang tweeted something to the effect that he's literally offering people money to vote for him. Something like that. The UBI plan. If you vote for me, you get money. Universal basic. Yeah. Yeah. Even though it's failed everywhere, it's been tried.
Starting point is 00:58:03 I like Andrew Yang. I was a bigger fan earlier on. Even though it's failed everywhere, it's been tried. I like Andrew Yang. I was a bigger fan earlier on. I think he's really gone way to establishment recently. But early on. He lost me when that dude sprayed whipped cream in his mouth. Do you remember that? Yeah, me too. It was just a little weird.
Starting point is 00:58:19 It's right. It's just a little weird. I'm like, you know, I thought. Look, I can appreciate. See, that's an emotional argument. I can appreciate nonconformist politicians an emotional argument. I can appreciate. I can appreciate nonconformist politicians, people who more. I love that.
Starting point is 00:58:29 In fact, you know, I but that was a little. Do you know about. Yeah. You know about the moral foundations. Jonathan Heights research conservatives. There's initially they said there were five moral foundations. Now they say there's six. Basically, liberals operate on only two, care and fairness.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And so I think – let me see if I can get it off the top of my head. There's care, fairness, purity, authority. What am I missing? I don't remember. Purity. There's liberty and there's one more. You want to look them up real quick? I'm missing one.
Starting point is 00:59:00 So conservatives have, to varying degrees, equal balance of all of the moral foundations. So, you know, let's see, authority, for instance. It's very obvious, like trusting and respecting the authority to a certain degree. Yeah. And there's also liberty, though. So that balances out authority like your right and your freedom. But when it comes to making an argument to convince a traditional liberal, it's just care and fairness.
Starting point is 00:59:24 That's why they go after these people are Nazis. That's why they say they're racists because they're targeting. It's not fair. They don't care. In reality, the Democrats don't either.
Starting point is 00:59:34 They've just found the weakness of certain people that they can use to exploit. I only have the five. I have care, fairness, or care slash harm. I have fairness slash cheating, loyalty slash betrayal authority
Starting point is 00:59:45 and subversion and then sanctity and degradation yeah and then liberty was what they added yeah okay yeah so so libertarians operate this is really funny libertarians have one moral foundation no joke that's why they they i think that's why they added it because they were like when we're doing the test like we don't care about any of that. Just let me be free and just do whatever you want to like very strange degrees. But like sanctity is one. So this is like respecting the family and, you know, things like innocence and protecting kids, maybe. That's probably loyalty, but it's probably a combination.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah. And the left, it's just care and fairness. Careness. Yeah. So it's like you go to them and say these poor children these poor children and they'll be like i'll vote for you they don't care about what the argument is they don't care about what the result is literally just don't be mean but then the weird thing about is it's really easy to rile up many of these traditional liberals to be mean and unfair
Starting point is 01:00:41 and and it's interesting if you think about this the attack on me in my lawsuit to try to protect all of pennsylvania voters from not being disenfranchised with the way that they try to paint me is is emotional fairness right like you want to disqualify 2.5 it's wait it's like that's not true in fact well that's that's projecting. They changed the rules. Both Republicans and Democrats changed the rules and played fast and loose with the will of the people. And now that's the best thing they can do. It's why they say this is what I love.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Trump's the fascist, the fascist who's signing peace agreements, withdrawing our troops from the Middle East and who did not invoke the Insurrection Act to go crush protesting and rioting. You're exactly right. If you told me, after having spent enough time in Afghanistan to legally vote in that country, I swear. Wow. You know. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:34 If you told me that President Trump was going to sign Middle East peace deals and come closer to Middle East peace than any other president in my lifetime. I mean, I think. I wouldn't have believed you. I know. I mean, either. and come closer to middle east peace than any other president in my lifetime i mean i think i i wouldn't have believed you what what i mean either energy independence and i would have never believed our country would be energy independence i always thought we're going to be beholden to countries that hated us we're energy independent we've got middle east peace deals the president has weakened our enemies like china and russia uh His foreign policy has been remarkably successful. His domestic policy, almost every demographic has lived a better life under this president.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Again, he performed better with Latinos and African-Americans. The president, as part of his agenda, has been lifting up the African-American community with opportunity zones and funding historically black colleges. This guy has done more for this country and gets absolutely no credit. And this is the thing that kills me. You think he needs this? You know what? I mean, the guy's a billionaire. Think about this, Tim.
Starting point is 01:02:33 The guy's a billionaire, right? In 2016, he defeated a Clinton and a Bush, right? I mean, people were like, Donald Trump's a buffoon. He's not smart. The guy created an empire, defeated a Clinton and a Bush. And in four years did things for this country that I never thought possible. You still hear people in the media. So he's a fascist and he's dumb.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Well, so that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. The first thing is they're like, Trump's the fascist. Now that we've defeated him, bring on the forced mandatory lockdowns yeah in in newark new jersey the the mayor was saying they didn't want no you couldn't leave your home did you see the police you know who i love and i'm a big supporter of but did you see the police like arresting that guy who violated curfew they're like put get your hands in the cuffs and he's like there's like 20 of you on me i i can't even move he's like why are you tackling me he's like you violated curfew it's like which i've never i didn't see that one it's it's it's crazy it's crazy wow and and why
Starting point is 01:03:35 why why why why are we locking down again i don't know it's against science well there's no scientific there's scientifically dubious the mask study that came out 6 000 participants 3 000 people yeah the one from denmark denmark yeah 3 000 no masks 3 000 with masks and the people that wore masks changed out their masks every single day and you know what the media says in this country about the study who determines that their masks don't really help in fact they can put you at more of a risk. The media in this country is like, well, you know, what the study actually means is that we need to wear more masks.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I'm like, how can you possibly come to that conclusion? That's not what the study says. You're not allowed to talk about it. They had great interpretations. You're not allowed to talk about any of this stuff. You're not. But it's very obviously what they do. I think, you know, look, Democrats have one very simple and easy path to victory.
Starting point is 01:04:30 Low information voters. It's why they target the youth vote. So, look, you know, you know, I can be more disrespectful towards the Democratic politicians. You know, you're trying to be probably for the people, all the people. Well, I think we're I think we're I think in our campaign we're breaking but we had a ton of youth support we had but there are smart young people but like most young people lack the experience to understand why we you know i hear these it's it's really funny when you when you see all these young people who are for socialist policies and i mean literal socialist policies not not social democratic or like I'm talking about
Starting point is 01:05:05 these social democratic socialists who want to give the means of production to the working class when these people are not the working class. That's that's that's the funniest thing. You look at these DSA meetings, the Democratic Socialists of America, and you see a bunch of like 20, 20 somethings who don't actually do the hard labor jobs. They're like the managerial elites. They're the the managerial elites. They're the upper middle class suburbanites claiming that they should give the control of the means of production to the people. That's insane. But then you see when they actually do say stuff like health care is a human right.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Like, how is it possible that someone else's labor is your right? Someone has to do that work. Now, I certainly think we can do our best to make sure that we grant health care to more people, because I'm actually a fan of like base level universal health care, which would be if you break your arm, if you get the flu or something, you can go in and you don't got to worry about it. So that way we make sure that people aren't dying in the streets, that people aren't getting serious deformity, you know, serious, like, you know, long term permanent damage. I totally agree. There needs to be a safety net for everybody.
Starting point is 01:06:05 But, but the issue is when it comes to rare and exotic diseases or genetic elements that are hard to cure, we can't guarantee it as a right. But here's what the Democrats do. They use these things that just, it's, it's a child's solution to a grand, a grand problem. The easiest way to explain it is when you see these people say, we have more empty homes than we have homeless people. Problem solved.
Starting point is 01:06:32 It's like you can't just put a homeless person in a random house. The house has to be maintained. Like otherwise it falls apart. You can get hurt. There's the building codes have to be upheld. You can't just take a mentally ill person, not all homeless people, but some.
Starting point is 01:06:43 And this is what they don't understand because a lot of young people don't have the experience or the understanding. And I mean that with no disrespect. They just they have like, you know, I spent my early 20s working at homeless shelters. And then I actually learned, wow, homelessness has nothing to do with laziness or for the most part, unemployment. Typically, it's an issue of mental health.
Starting point is 01:06:59 And it's really hard to solve that problem. I learned that. Then you hear these people say, just put them in a house. I'm like, I've worked with these people, man. We need to be there for them. You can't just ignore this. The Democrats propose these kinds of policies that regular people don't understand why it doesn't make sense. Well, and I think what you're speaking to is something, you know, talking about cultural institutions.
Starting point is 01:07:19 I don't, I think by and large, many schools are failing our young people. Oh, yeah. You know, we don't teach civics anymore. We don't teach real social studies anymore. Finance. We don't teach finance or real economics. Capitalism in this day and age is almost a dirty word. Seriously.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Schools should be like, okay, for today's class, how to file for an S-Corp. The difference between a C-Corp, an S-Corp, an LLC, a 501c3, a 501c4. Here's how you start your own business. Yeah. We don't do any of that. Well, and you talked about healthcare. I mean you talked about having a base level of care for everybody, which I think is important. But I would like to see, you know, we do association health care plans for businesses to allow small businesses to band together to have the same purchasing powers, large corporations.
Starting point is 01:08:11 I think that's a good thing. But if it's me, like, let's take it a step further, right? And let's say, let's let individuals band together of a certain age, maybe with certain health care needs, have it all be app-based technology. And so individuals band together for certain plans, take it a step further. And that way, healthcare becomes affordable for everybody. And people can have more competition. There's more flexibility.
Starting point is 01:08:35 This is the interesting thing about healthcare, too, is I think Trump did this, right, where they have to show the prices for – Yeah, that'll take place January something 2021. But yes, it – I think that's huge. That's huge. It's a big deal. It's a big deal and there's also I think –
Starting point is 01:08:51 Basically like you're getting your cost so you know I should go here. It's cheaper. There's a bill on the House floor. I think it's HR 19. But it's – right now like prescription drug prices in this country, I don't know how we got in this topic. But they're way too high. Just talking about the left offering up simple solutions. Well, so with the left, I mean, one of the things that the left did was sign a prescription drugs government price control bill, basically.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Basically said mandated pricing. Right. Right. Like, we know that that doesn't work. But there's a bill in the House right now, H.R. 19, that would that would lower the cost of prescription drugs in a really pragmatic way. Now, how do we do that? Well, right now, did you know that big
Starting point is 01:09:29 pharma companies pay small pharma companies to not produce generic drugs? Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. So what HR-19, which has got a lot of bipartisan support, would eliminate that, would make that illegal. They're by flooding the market with generic drugs
Starting point is 01:09:46 and driving the cost of generic drugs down. Generics are cheaper. That's the thing, too. I think with Trump, what's really interesting, a lot of the things we started seeing implemented by businesses, such as a four-day work week, two-week vacation, increased wages, those happened naturally due to a great economy. Free market. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:12 And quite literally, Trump deregulating and boosting the economy in a variety of ways. I think one of the big issues, Trump's position on immigration resulted in not to get too into too complicated situations, but when we saw, for instance, in these different chicken processing plants, illegal workers being deported or whatever, then Americans stepped up and said, now I finally can get a job. And so there were things like that that was very directly tied into things Trump was pushing tariffs, for instance, opposing these free trade agreements, which brought a lot of manufacturing back to the United States. And for a variety of reasons back to the United States. And for a variety of reasons, the economy started doing really, really well. The left wanted these things like a four-day workweek, like vacation through mandate by the government just decreeing it. So we're going to pass a law. You have to do it. But it doesn't work that way.
Starting point is 01:10:58 It's just like giving someone, it's almost like, look, maybe some of these politicians just genuinely don't know how any of this stuff works and thinks they can just rubber stamp. Everybody gets a house. We're done. Well, that doesn't that that does not surprise me because many of these politicians have never done anything else but hold political office. Right. Right. Yeah. Bernie Sanders.
Starting point is 01:11:22 Yeah. That's his thing and joe biden been in been in politics for 47 years has been on the wrong side of literally every major decision that he's ever had to make literally opposed the obama someone the the osama bin laden raid someone said he lost to dukakis in 87 is that true i don't know that's funny i all i don't know but did he he did like people were like over there nodding yeah uh yeah i mean even robert gates who's uh barack obama's secretary of defense said that he was on the he's been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy decision for his whole career now what where is that where's the media on this you know
Starting point is 01:12:02 you know what i was thinking i don't think I think very few people actually voted for Joe Biden. And this is one of the scariest ideas that people voted to basically have no president. That is that is one of the scariest things in my opinion. I think I think I think the president could have a pretty strong platform if he said, you know what, I'm going to stay out of your life. I'm going to do everything I can for the next eight years to limit the size and scope of the government and do everything I can to keep government out of your life. Because personally, I believe that there's a direct correlation between a small federal government and more freedom in our lives. So I do have a libertarian streak in me in that regard where, you know, the more freedom we have in our day-to-day lives to pursue life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and whatever that means for,
Starting point is 01:12:50 for each individual is going to be different. But I think it's part of our job as, as leaders to give people the ability to do that. Right. And you've got, you've got a lot of basically all these Democrats, Joe Biden included using the green New Deal as a framework. They genuinely believe two important things.
Starting point is 01:13:09 The first is that humans can't be trusted to be free. They view what's happening in the world with consumerism and global warming as evidence that a human making free choice makes a bad choice. We saw with Michael Bloomberg when he said we're going to put a ban on you know large sodas you know you know bloomberg actually said tax the poor i'm not even exaggerating he and and he's open about it of course he said poor people make stupid decisions take their money away and then we make the choice for them the problem is this is so they believe this then from that they believe you know the world is in in in peril because of it global warming etc but what they don't understand is that this this is what most dictators think i'm the smart one only i can fix everything but what makes you think you as an individual are smarter than the
Starting point is 01:13:56 decentralized network of human intelligence you are not this is this decentralization and networks we know how it works you know know, you can have 10,000 computers be as powerful as one supercomputer. So when you have capitalism, which is individuals choosing what they need at the micro level, you get a fast developing, growing and advancing society. But these people believe the world is in dire straits and in peril and on the verge of collapse due to overpopulation and global warming. So that combined, combined you know leads them to the idea that only they can intervene to stop the silly dumb people and that's what you get you get uh lockdowns you get things like the world economic forums uh you know they announced the great reset you know
Starting point is 01:14:36 resetting global capitalism now's our chance i mean you know when the world health organization has come out against lockdowns that may you, do you trust the World Health Organization? No, I don't. We're supposed to on YouTube only go by what they tell us. I know. And they put out a statement warning against lockdown saying it needs to be only a last resort. That's what I'm saying. But here you have governors in the state of Pennsylvania is a perfect example saying, I'm going, I'm going to ban alcohol sales the night before Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 01:15:10 What? Wait, wait. So, so wait. So you know what? That literally does nothing. That just means that people are going to buy their alcohol or go to the bars the day earlier. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Get your booze a daily. Yeah. And like he put out guidelines, people put out guidelines how to how to celebrate the holidays safely yeah keep the music yes no loud music no singing no and no limit alcoholic beverage i'm like the no loud music how is this this doesn't make sense this is they're just making their time i think they're just doing it to make it's the stodgy parents from Footloose.
Starting point is 01:15:45 It really is. Yeah. You're going to get sick. No loud music. What does music have to do with getting sick? Shut your darn video games. And here's the thing. I take COVID-19 very seriously.
Starting point is 01:15:59 I'm all about having a surgical pandemic response, directing resources where they need to go. Like maybe not mandating that nursing homes take COVID positive patients. That would be like, yeah, I mean, Tom Wolfe, right? And in fact, our secretary of health, her mother was in a nursing home. She saw this coming and she took her own mother out of the nursing home before. Wow. And so like, yet these are the people that are in charge of us i mean that that sounds intentional they knew they were gonna was it absolutely was we we saw the
Starting point is 01:16:33 devastating effect i mean i mean covet 19 had a nursing homes in seattle whose policy was it to put sick people in these nursing homes in pennsylvania tom wolf so tom wolf knowingly killed same thing with andrew cuomo i don't know andrew i called andrew cuomo a murderer earlier Tom Wolfe. So Tom Wolfe knowingly killed. Same thing with Andrew Cuomo. I called Andrew Cuomo a murderer earlier. I got no problem saying it. That's my opinion, not yours. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:16:54 I don't know. I think that as a leader, I'd like to give people grace because you do the best you can in the moment. I've had a lot of leadership decisions in combat that i'd like to have back people men that i that i had that were wounded that that were wounded because i sent them to a certain spot so i try to give people grace on that it's leadership is an imperfect art i like to believe that everybody does the do that we that we do the best we can but the point is now you know we know a lot more about this virus than we did in January, right? There are therapeutics, Regeneron, right?
Starting point is 01:17:27 And there are two vaccines on the horizon. Three? Three vaccines. So why? Many of these small businesses, they can't afford another lockdown. Many of these small businesses invested thousands of dollars into safety like for outdoor dining, for example, that now it's shut down. So listen, here's the way I see it.
Starting point is 01:17:48 And again, my opinion, not yours. When you have a group of people telling us that we're 10 years out from global catastrophe due to climate change. And it always gets shorter too, right? Well, it's like every 10 years, I say it's 10 years. It changes, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:00 When you have these people who are telling us the world is ending, doing these conferences, saying it's going to end, propping up up individuals screaming the end is near and things like that and then covet happens and they say you're allowed to riot not explicitly but yeah they were the da's well well you know like trump supporters weren't allowed to to actually do any protests well trump supporters don't riot right right but you weren't allowed to do do any protests. Well, Trump supporters don't riot. Right, right. But you weren't allowed to do any protests.
Starting point is 01:18:26 But Antifa, you were fine. We had Antifa rioting, destroying for over 100 days. And the district attorneys in various places would keep releasing them. Why? Well, it helped destroy the economy. It helped drive out customers and small business and tourism, which there was very little of in the first place. So basically, you get the COVID lockdown. And what it does is it strips ownership and wealth away from the working class and sends it directly to Amazon, to Walmart, to Target, to major multinational corporations.
Starting point is 01:18:57 Well, Jeff Bezos is net worth increased by billions of dollars during the pandemic. Because when all the stores are locked down, you got one place to go. You want to order stuff on Amazon, I guess, or Netflix went up. So all of these massive companies started taking. When you own your small business, they shut you down by force. And then your savings dwindle. And eventually you can't pay. You lose your ownership of everything.
Starting point is 01:19:21 And then you're buying from big box stores. If that didn't finish you off because there were still many stores that stayed open because they had savings or they had hard goods that didn't expire, weren't perishable. Then the riots showed up and across the country smashed the windows and stole everything. There's a video out of, I think it was Seattle or no, it was Port. Yeah, maybe, maybe it was Seattle or Portland where some Antifa guys smashed their way into a toy store and stole vintage collectibles with a lot of money making sure that hard goods that actually gain value
Starting point is 01:19:51 with age those are gone too so everything it seems that they've been pushing through is just is just destroying the economy and then you look at new york where they're shutting down schools the cdc said not to do that they said not to do it but the government is doing it anyway you know why because when the kids can't go to school parents can't go to work that's exact that's exactly right they are destroying the economy and it is wealthy look the democratic party is the party of the wealthy managerial elites in 2016 vox.com a progressive outlet said the democrats have become the preferred party of the wealthy that switch happened joe biden received way more donors from wealthy zip codes and from big finance firms and bankers. In my convention speech that the Democratic Party is the party of tech companies, CEOs, hedge fund managers.
Starting point is 01:20:36 They are not the party of the American working class anymore. No. And this is what's funny. Like when you see like we're a part of the resistance. Resist. I'm like, you literally control the education system in this country, the entertainment system in this country. Right. You've got every cultural institution that there is.
Starting point is 01:20:56 You've got the media on your side. You're like a part of the empire. You're not like a part of the rebellion. What are you rebelling against? You know, my favorite thing about Bernie is? There's two things about Bernie that I love. First, it's all these people who are like, Tim claims to like Bernie. Clearly they don't watch my show because I've been ragging on the guy for years.
Starting point is 01:21:15 I did like him a long time ago. He used to say, the millionaires and the billionaires in this country. And then you know what happened? He stopped saying millionaires. You know why? Because he's one. Because he became a millionaire. Yeah, exactly. So this was actually a journalist track that Because he's one. Because he became a millionaire. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:21:31 So this was actually a journalist track that said right around the time Bernie Sanders became a millionaire, he stopped saying the millionaires and started only saying the billionaires. Here's the best thing. Joe Biden was the candidate of Wall Street, of these big financial firms. How is it that Bernie Sanders got on board with, to be fair, you know, Donald Trump is literally a billionaire. So he can criticize Donald Trump because he's literally a billionaire that I get. But he didn't become a billionaire in government. That's right. That's the thing that that's the thing that Joe Biden became a millionaire.
Starting point is 01:21:54 His family, extremely wealthy millionaires. He's working class Joe, right? From Scranton. Yes. How did his brother come to become so wealthy? How did his son come to become so wealthy? It's it's it's called by it's called Biden Inc. And Politico magazine put this story out saying that conveniently the Biden family fortunes have tracked perfectly alongside Joe Biden's career.
Starting point is 01:22:15 It's crazy. Like his brother got a contract building homes in Iraq right around the time that Joe Biden was appointed to over to to manage the U.S. operations in Iraq. So there it is. It's all about him getting rich. And so here's what I say. If I had to make a choice just based off of that limited information, I'll choose the guy who was rich and lost money being president over the guy who was working class and became a millionaire and rich and it's whose family became wealthy through him being in government.
Starting point is 01:22:43 Exactly. Well, I totally agree with you. And that's what it just circles back to what I was saying. rich and it's whose family became wealthy through him being in government exactly well i totally agree with you and that's what it just circles back to what i was saying like president trump is doing you think he you think he needs this i mean the guy who lives a life like he's he's bruce wayne has golden toilet is that true he's got a golden toilet it wouldn't surprise me at all he has a dream life but he's he's in this because i think he believes in the greatness of america and yep well i think these other i think the democrats don't and i think it's not He has a dream life. But he's in this because I think he believes in the greatness of America. Yep.
Starting point is 01:23:06 Well, I think the Democrats don't. And I think it's not just the Democrats. I think what happened was we had rhinos and dinos. Okay. So the political establishment before Trump, they were on board. It was the unit party, the one party pretending to be two. They kept doing the same things. Whenever issues of war come up, guess what?
Starting point is 01:23:24 Republicans and Democrats are high-fiving each other yeah donald trump says i want to withdraw troops from afghanistan and republicans and democrats alike said no and what bothers me having fought there is is you know hey oh his critics critics of trump says it's hasty withdrawal from from afghanistan uh will'll throw the area into the region into instability or something like something like that and i'm like hasty withdrawal 20 years all of my adult life we've been there yeah you know like what like half of my life the only thing that i've known as a profession really is war. You know, outside of my post-military life, like, I feel like I made a pretty good life for myself in the private sector. But all my adult life, we've been at war.
Starting point is 01:24:13 And we're talking about a hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan? Yep. Half of my life. Just the excuse to stay in. And look, I think there's probably confidential reasons that, you know, the American people probably won't know. But I think there's got to be justification of what what why they want to do it. But anyway, here's what I think is going on. When Trump got elected, he wasn't supposed to.
Starting point is 01:24:35 You know, he was like a bull charging through the doors of the cathedral. And the Republic, the never Trumpers, these are people who are consultants and strategists who weren't tied to a position, ran straight to the Democratic Party, the Lincoln Project. Here they were saying, we're conservatives, but now we're going to support all the Democrats. Why? Because they're the establishment. They like the war. They like the machine. They've disdained for the American people. And Trump pushed them out. You then get a bunch of the Republicans that are in office today. Many retired. Many just dipped out and were like, I'm out. I'm not doing this. And then you get many other Republicans who just pretend to like Trump because they know if they don't they won't get re-elected so i think trump is not i don't consider him to be a real i don't consider him to be a republican
Starting point is 01:25:14 i don't mean that in a disrespectful way i agree that's why the trump supporter is a lion instead of you know what is what is republicans the elephant? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, it's true. I mean, this president, I mean, you wouldn't have believed this rally that the president had. I saw those photos. I was in Butler with him. I mean, the guy, the guy had 57,000 people in Butler. How did how did how did how did Biden win Pennsylvania with everything he said about banning fracking?
Starting point is 01:25:42 That makes no sense to me. I was like, if there's one state that's going to go Trump. It doesn't make sense to me either. You're going to vote for the guy who quite literally said on the debate stage, yes, I will put an end to fossil fuels. People wonder why Americans, especially Republicans, are suspicious of this election is because joe biden didn't campaign he didn't knock doors and journalists were calling him out exactly they were like nothing
Starting point is 01:26:13 they were like joe biden called the lid he's like he's shut down no press events for a week what's going on that's why people are suspicious i i think there is i mean how he didn't i mean people leave the basement there's a kernel of truth like it's the truth he didn't do anything you got it listen listen i i kamala harris she didn't either she didn't even get even get one delegate tulsi gabbard got more than she did she didn't campaign either so it's not my point is it's not like she was out there beating feet for him she wasn't out there on the trail. They didn't do anything. There is the argument that people were voting against Trump. And I respect that. However, you have to convince me that Joe Biden got more votes than Barack Obama without campaigning. Let me say it one more time. Joe Biden got more votes than Barack Obama without campaigning.
Starting point is 01:27:01 Exactly. That is insane. Joe and Barack Obama on the campaign trail was a force to be reckoned with. His grassroots organizing is really. Use of the internet. And what the Republican Party built our grassroots operation around. We looked at what Barack Obama did and we tried to build a grassroots organization and structure in that image. Yeah. He was very, very popular.
Starting point is 01:27:23 And for good reason. He was great on the campaign trail. And to your point joe biden got what 10 10 million more votes than than barack obama i mean 10 uh it's it's like 11 president well president trump got more votes than barack obama at the height of his popular and i can i can i can believe that because because president trump was out there campaigning. He's out there, you know? Is he a polarizing figure? Yes.
Starting point is 01:27:49 But that's precisely why he was so popular as well, because he was not an establishment guy. I don't know, though. You know, to be honest, most of the people I know, and I come from Chicago, everybody's a Democrat. And most people I know are either like they flipped they and so i know some people who are hardcore for biden and they're like total social justice activists really into intersectionality and critical race theory stuff but they're and these are people i'm talking about the people i've known my whole life there's way more people who are democrats who flipped for donald trump i've met way more i know way more people from occupy wall street who flipped and
Starting point is 01:28:24 voted for Trump, because if you go back 10 years and look at the things that were going on and the complaints people had, it was the establishment, the big bank bailouts, the free trade agreements. We had the battle in Seattle, which was way before. It was in 1999, I think, this massive protest against the World Trade Organization. Donald Trump said, just like Bernie, the TPP has got to go. But all of a sudden, these progressives and these leftists just decided that the TPP was a good thing? That ending the war, like, I tell you, the craziest, one of the craziest moments of the past four years was when I was talking to a friend of mine
Starting point is 01:29:01 from Chicago, lifelong Democrat. And I said, would you vote for a candidate that would increase the amount of war we have in the Middle East? And she said, well, of course not. I said, would you vote for a guy who right now has signed peace agreements and has ordered the withdrawal from the Middle East? Well, absolutely. And I said, that's Donald Trump. And then she goes silent for five minutes, comes back and says, you know, I just read this really interesting article. And I've been thinking, like, maybe we do need a presence over there.
Starting point is 01:29:29 And I was like, are you kidding? Lifelong liberal. The war is bad. And then she sent me a link to an article from like an old Bush era neocon. And I'm just like, wow, the desperate attempt to hate Trump that much. I am still trying to wrap my head around your friends who are big into critical race theory, but are also big Joe Biden fans. Joe Biden literally eulogized
Starting point is 01:29:53 a member of the KKK. He was, well, hold on. I love this. There was a fact check. I know, I know, I know. Robert Byrne was not a psycho. He wasn't a grand dragon. He wasn't a grand wizard.
Starting point is 01:30:04 And then if you like read into the fact, well, he was a psycho. They say, they say this, Robert Byrne was not a – He wasn't a grand dragon. He wasn't a grand wizard. And then if you read into the – well, he was a – They say this. This is what they do. Did Joe Biden eulogize a grand dragon of the KKK? Verdict, false. Then you go to the bottom and it says, while it is true that Byrne was a member of the KKK, he was not a grand dragon. He was an exalted cyclops. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:30:22 Sounds like they were playing D&D or something. I mean, Joe Biden is, you know, he was responsible for the crime bill that imprisoned more African-American men. Every called him super predators. I mean, but these people that are like critical race theory junkies think that Joe Biden, Joe Biden is better than Trump. It's he's literally the institutional racism they complain about. He's literally exactly. Yeah, I had a guy asked me recently. He was complaining about the election. he was complaining about joe biden he goes can you even name one thing that joe biden's done in his 47 years and i was like yeah you got a bunch
Starting point is 01:30:53 of black people arrested and put in prison and then he started laughing he's like that's a good point like he didn't do good things man yeah he was always on the side of what was convenient politically that's why you there's that famous uh the segment where he's talking about you know freezing social security because it was just politically convenient whatever he could squeeze through the dude's a career politician he tried he's plagiarized so much you know it's really funny have you seen the conspiracy theory around build back better no so you're familiar with plagiarize this too well so on you're familiar with the great reset oh yes yeah yes yes so the world economic forums has great reset then we see boris johnson and several other european
Starting point is 01:31:30 politicians have built back better on these walls uh you know at their events and people are saying it's a conspiracy joe biden is part of this great reset and i said joe biden's got a history of plagiarizing other people okay the simple solution is yes perhaps the great reset but i kind of like maybe he's just stealing again you know i don't think joe biden knows i mean to be honest with i don't really think he knows what's going on yeah he's out and i i really am not trying to throw political jabs here like he just is not joe biden of 10 years ago who beat Paul Ryan in a debate, he's a different guy today than he was back then. Joe Biden is – he can't do this job. He definitely can't.
Starting point is 01:32:16 And that's why I said it was crazy that people chose no president over Trump. over over trump if and i'm not saying you know every everybody because we'll see how things these things play out but there's people who exist who are like i would rather have no president or i mean honestly no president's probably better than joe biden to be fair how long you think how long do you think he'll last did you see the onion uh article it's it said stress of presidency ages joe biden 10. And it was a picture of a rotten corpse. Rotten corpse. Because that's the joke. When you get elected, you start aging because of the stress. And Joe Biden's already struggling.
Starting point is 01:32:51 President Trump is the only president who looks younger today than before he went. So weird. Isn't it crazy? I mean, the dude needs to get in shape. He's 74, right? Yeah. And he's spry. He does these five rallies per day. Unbelievable. What is this? He's 74, right? Yeah. And he's spry. He does these five rallies per day.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Unbelievable. What is this? He's unbelievable. He is unbelievable. That's weird. That's crazy. That dude's got energy. You should see him at the rally.
Starting point is 01:33:17 I mean, he's just... He's a comedian. He is. He's a performer. He's a comedian. And people love it. It's funny. Everyone's a comedian. He's a comedian. And people love it. It's funny. Everyone's laughing and smiling.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Because he is like how we all are. Yeah. The American people. Well done, steak and ketchup. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the American people, authenticity is the coin of the realm in politics today. Yep.
Starting point is 01:33:41 And whether you agreed with the things that president trump said or not and i certainly didn't agree with all of his tweets i mean sometimes i'm like come on yeah but it doesn't matter you know what he's to put it lightly well the dude needed to he still needs to learn when to you know simmer things down because he he accidentally tweeted he won because of a rigged election and they're like you admitted you admitted it. And he was like, I can see nothing. And they deleted the tweet. It's funny, though. I don't care.
Starting point is 01:34:07 The thing is, is that President Trump and people criticized him after his first debate. You would be like that, too, if every single day the media attacked every member of your family relentlessly for no reason. Every Hollywood celebrity attacks President Trump. But every one of those Hollywood celebrities were lining up around the block to go to his parties before he ran for president. And the moment he has an R after his name, oh, he's racist. He's a fascist. But listen. Give me a break.
Starting point is 01:34:40 Give me a break. It's plastic people in Hollywood, man. They're the least authentic people on the planet they're like and i mean that some of them literally made of plastic i mean go to the doctor and get plastic put in their body i know but the point is like jesse jackson and al sharpton loved president trump before he ran as a republican they loved trump they hated president trump well that's right it's so i i just it it's you know, and that's why I say low information voters, because if you were someone who paid attention to Trump's history, you knew when he was running, the
Starting point is 01:35:11 things they were accusing of made no sense. You were like, what? The dude's got a war. He has like a civil rights award like he got. He's like, yeah. So look, what I was saying is that, yeah, of course, he comes out in his first debate a little defensive. Yeah yeah because every do you see how the press treats him in the press briefings it's it's horrifying how the press treats uh
Starting point is 01:35:32 kaylee mcinerney how the press treats president trump it's it's wrong it's disrespectful it's i've never seen anything like it and then you see then you see how they treat Joe Biden. It's like, Joe, what's your favorite flavor of ice cream? And then there was another one that was like, well, Joe Biden has dogs on his socks. This is great. I'm just like. There was literally a press event where they were doing things like this. Vice President Biden, you gave us a tremendous and brilliant plan talking about how you plan to tackle COVID. And I have to say, reading through it, I was just very impressed by how smart you were.
Starting point is 01:36:10 Can you comment? And they sit down. And he goes, yes, we're working very hard. Thank you. It's like they were standing up and giving the answers and praising him. It's just like Obama. What's your favorite breed of dogs, Joe? It's like those are the kinds of questions that he gets.
Starting point is 01:36:25 And it's like, that's what I talked a little bit earlier in the show about trump's this is a bizarre time where you see the media and how they treat president trump oh yeah and you see them how they treat you know vice president biden trump's trump it's it's disgusting trump's questions from the press were literally like uh mr president when did you stop beating your wife? Yeah. And I know that's like the joke of a loaded question, but they literally were asking him things like, you know, when did you finally decide that white supremacy was bad? Oh, I mean, things like that. Chris Wallace is like, sir, why don't you reject white supremacy? And I'm like watching the debate thinking, my God, President Trump has rejected white supremacy like 57 times in four years. In fact, in fact, Chris Wallace asked him the exact same question in 2016.
Starting point is 01:37:14 I'm like, bro, I have to wonder if like there's like you reject white supremacy. It's like, oh, again, what the hell kind of question is that? Maybe we're trapped in a simulation these people are just robots or something yes because chris wallace literally asked him the same question i love that clip that was on twitter it was like 2016 2020 what and trump trump said this like in 2016 he was like absolutely i disavow why would you ask him again did you change your mind trump do you like white supremacy now? It just not the poor guy. Like, you know, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:37:48 No one deserves to be treated like that. You go up against the machine, man. The machine, you know, fights back. So these, you know, look, when I look at what's going on around the world, I'm like, wow, Trump really was not supposed to win. You know, making America's economy way better and everything. I kind of wonder if what's really happening is, are you familiar with thucydides trap no but you you were you guys are real smart man you know all these theories i just read all the time so um it's an idea that when a rising economic power comes close to the dominant power a war breaks out so for several
Starting point is 01:38:21 years there's been fear that war between the U.S. and China would break out. And so now we have, you know, China's been growing rapidly. They get this favored trade status or whatever, the U.N. and stuff like that. And I'm wondering if they're like, well, better to let China just win and overtake the U.S. than actually get into a war because war is bad.
Starting point is 01:38:39 Well, well, so this reminds me, like, of the Paris Climate Accords. Oh, well, China wants us to rejoin the Paris Climate Accords. I'm like, well, yeah. They don't have to make any changes until 2030. Of course they want the U.S. and the Paris Climate Accords where we handicap our economy at the expense of other great nations. I mean, it's like. You know what's crazy?
Starting point is 01:38:59 What's happening? Joe Biden's plans. One, corporate tax rate around 39 percent right increase the minimum wage to 15 and very likely join the free the current pacific free trade agreement so tpp ended but they created something new you know that's gonna happen you're gonna have a company and they're gonna be like well our corporate tax rate just basically went up 10 points what do we do i don't know oh we also got to increase all of our wages up to 15 well the good news is joe biden's for free trade great put the factory in china yeah we'll ship
Starting point is 01:39:31 jobs overseas then no corporate tax on that revenue because it goes to our chinese subsidiary and then we don't got to pay 15 an hour we could pay 25 cents and you know no benefits it's incentivizing taking all of the jobs and and sending them overseas. I've talked to a lot of people in PA-17 who own steel manufacturing plants, oil and gas facilities. They called it Obama time, eight years under President Obama, where they were just treading water, treading water, treading water. They couldn't really grow, couldn't invest in their company, invest in new equipment, hire new people. But three years under President president trump these are companies that have invested now millions of dollars into energy independence and they can't hire people fast enough now with with joe biden as as the president-elect uh there are companies you know
Starting point is 01:40:19 we did a big rally uh with don jr and ted nugent in this awesome manufacturing facility in Ambridge, and it looks like that facility is going to close. Wow. Already. Because these companies see the writing on the wall. They hear the things that Joe Biden is saying. They know that he's going to do exactly what he just said. He's going to ship jobs overseas again. Yep.
Starting point is 01:40:40 That's what he did before, and it's what they're going to do again. And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate that... And then what happens is you get these there are a lot of progressives that were like we have to vote for joe biden because trump's a fascist or whatever and then now that joe biden is doing things that are destroying the economy and taking away a lot of these benefits for the working class they wanted they're like mandate it and then it will just they'll just accelerate the the uh the suppose, the collapse, the breakdown. It's unfortunate because I think the media, you know, the watchdogs of the republic, right?
Starting point is 01:41:13 They failed here. Most of the media. Well, they've been taken over a long time ago. And they're not just propagandists for the Democratic Party. I mean, they're an arm of the democratic party the democratic party coordinates with them yep and you know and i say i say most of me buried the hunter biden story yeah we're right and there are lots of great people that work in the media i'm not trying to like you know paint them all with the same brush so to speak but
Starting point is 01:41:41 the media really failed failed here and and i think that that joe biden really i think he's going to hurt this country and i don't even think it's going to be him it's going to be people behind him yep well let's go super chats yes if you haven't already smash the like button subscribe hit the notification bell and uh now we're going to take user questions and comments in the super chat section so get your super chats in now dylan pillar says sean i wish you could be my rep but i'm stuck with sherry bustos unfortunately best of luck closing out your race sherry bustos where's where's she no idea i don't know like googler real fast yeah trump pardoned corn and cob that's good news i suppose both of them yeah uh chris uh chris Chris, Chrissy says, greetings from Iceland.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Love the show. If Trump was the clear winner, do you think Democrats would react in the same way as Trump and vice versa? The answer to that question is absolutely. And the proof is Hillary Clinton told Joe Biden do not concede under any circumstances. So this is an interesting question. This is the first time we've ever implemented mail-in balloting on a scale in a nation with over 300 million people, right? But Al Gore contested an election in Florida.
Starting point is 01:42:57 37 days. Until December. He didn't concede until December 12th. So the point is that this is a perfectly normal process and we should let the process play out to give people some confidence in the system let's see uh john burt says is he really superman looks like superman oh yeah he looks like dean kane yeah everybody says that that's awesome and dean kane is also one of my very good friends super yeah really great human being you You could probably convince people you're brothers.
Starting point is 01:43:26 Yeah. You know what? I just might do that. Dean, if you're watching. Bro. Bro. Dean's a cool dude. I'll be Superboy.
Starting point is 01:43:33 Yeah, that's right. Superboy. There you go. Superbro. Who's older? Is he older than you? He's older than you? Yeah, Dean's a little older than me.
Starting point is 01:43:39 I don't want to dime him out. He's literally such a great, he's a great, great human being. He's hilarious. Evan Meshenik says, when Sleepy Joe and VP Top Cop start the great defunding, I offer my services as security for Poolville if I don't get reactivated to blow kids up overseas. Oh, gosh. Well, Tim has a... Poolville is pretty well set up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:08 I mean... The Sniper's Purchase. You have a Sniper's Purchase and a skate park. We do. All in the same place. I just found out the... I call them deer sniper towers. Deer blinds.
Starting point is 01:44:18 Yeah, there are. So actually... The only thing you don't have, which is what you need, is like a rifle range. Like an actual range, yeah. So I don't think – yeah, just legalities. Got to sort that stuff out. But we do have a couple different deer blinds, and they're like sniper towers. They're so cool.
Starting point is 01:44:39 So it's like you can clearly see them, but I guess the deer don't know, and then you know. I might just move in to one of these bedrooms. Yes. This place is so big that you don't know. And then, you know, you might just I might just move into one of these bedrooms. Yes. This place is so big that you wouldn't know. We wouldn't even I wouldn't even notice. I'd be like, do you hear a noise? You would have no idea. I just be in there.
Starting point is 01:44:53 It's a fortress. You got all this water and stuff. And I wouldn't even have to leave. You know, I could. We're almost off the grid completely. We got our. So but we're trying to get solar. It's just really it's hard to do solar.
Starting point is 01:45:02 It is. You need you need like big, flat, open roof space, which is, you know, but we're going to sort it and we'll be to get solar. It's just really – it's hard to do solar. It is. You need like big, flat, open roof space, which is – but we're getting it sorted and we'll be off the grid. And then let the zombies come. We'll be all right. Jerry Kent says, Allegheny resident here for now. An old couple I know told me that when they went to vote, were told they had already requested mail-in ballots when they did no such thing. I'm sure this is a completely fair election. No.
Starting point is 01:45:25 No. And that's a great question. I'm sure this is a completely fair election. No, no. And that's a great question. We've heard that from a lot of people, a lot of people. And this is one of the anomalies that we that didn't mention earlier, but that we're certainly investigating is that, you know, people, namely Republicans, showing up to vote, being told that they already voted via absentee. And they got forced to vote provisional, which barely. But then we're told that they already voted via absentee and they got forced to vote provisional which barely but then we're told that they didn't have to sign so you know what happens with a provisional you don't have to sign thrown away yes yeah wow man i don't know you know uh part of me it's starting to the the will trump win meter is starting to go up when i see this stuff because i have to imagine you get enough lawsuits from people claiming their vote was stolen and it doesn't it doesn't need to be look to tim you you
Starting point is 01:46:08 just said i mean like these courts are comprised of human beings like rudy giuliani is out there saying look i've got sworn affidavits from thousands of people like that that great american who just asked that question yeah and people in the media and in the courts are just ignoring it they're just ignoring it yeah carl flynn says sean semper fi from a fellow grunt our oath is indeed to the constitution keep fighting the good fight i will semper fi semper fi trent says i don't have the following but can't we get a mass exodus from social media censorship and a mass movement to not pay federal taxes if millions do it what will they do arrest millions friends family and neighbors i don't know about all that um but that could be an interesting strategy for the lockdowns you know i've been saying for a long
Starting point is 01:46:53 time like people just people just need to not of course we need to take the virus seriously like what they're going to do is clip this up later and then use it to attack me right yes we need to take it seriously but these lockdowns aren't based on any science and the only they're not the only way that they stop happening is non-compliance you know yeah non-compliance people just open their business and just said i'm sorry i'm not doing it yeah you know we're gonna be safe we're gonna follow cdc guidelines but you know i'm not gonna let the government here's the thing i'm not gonna let the government put me out of business i'm not gonna let family members die alone i not going to let the government. Here's the thing. I'm not going to let the government put me out of business. I'm not going to let family members die alone.
Starting point is 01:47:27 I'm not going to let the government bankrupt me. Right. Yeah. Let's see. Rui Key says, Sean, I'm a voter in Montgomery County, and I know your district voted for you. We all know. Happy T-Day. Well, happy Thanksgiving to you, too.
Starting point is 01:47:43 And I appreciate that. And look, by the way, whether I have a title in front of my name, congressman or not, I will always fight for the people. Look. Hear, hear. It's the truth. You know, like you've got this lawsuit now and I'm getting attacked by both sides. But you know what? Again, my oath is to the people.
Starting point is 01:47:58 Yeah, you got to do what's right. You got to do what's right. Got to do what's right. Wonder Racing says, Sean is an American patriot. Western PA loves and appreciates him thank you that means a lot that means okay so someone called you superman now uh kgr says this guy is mac from it's always sunny lmao i don't see it have you got that one before yes i have you're like mac and dean kane yeah mac. Yeah. All right. Let's see what we got here.
Starting point is 01:48:28 Bill says, Antifa vandalized my personal possessions with red paint, red spray paint at work in a GM plant with 5,000 people and management and HR did nothing. The corporations are just as evil as Antifa itself. They are working together. Wow. Well, look. Yeah. I don't know that I would go. Well, look, how many corporations have we seen bend the knee to some of these radical groups on the left?
Starting point is 01:48:55 I'm not going to say that they are coordinating. But when we were walking through Washington, D.C. at the convention, we either saw stores that had Antifa-type signs or, hey, pro-Black Lives Matter. Well, because they're scared of the violence. Right. But at the end of the day, that doesn't protect them. Depends on how big the corporation is. If you have a small business and you put up their signs, they'll probably leave you alone. But if you're like Walmart, they don't care they're gonna come for you anyway yep let's see shakai hatsu says if trump was cheated out of the out of re-election and if they get away with it
Starting point is 01:49:38 it will be due to the disarrayed chaotic response there should be very few preferably one may uh there should be very few preferably one may uh there should be very few preferably one main line of attack that is easy to understand hard to deny and should naturally prepare the next step rejection rate close to zero puts most corrupt countries to shame all other irregularities culminates in this what if trump tweeted almost zero rejection rate instead of fraud fraud everywhere yes focus on rejection rate and force an audit. Rejection gate. That's absolutely.
Starting point is 01:50:09 It's a great point. In the Democratic primary this year, half a million votes rejected. This time around, where are they at? Next to none. Next to none. And I will also tell you, the day after election day when all those mail-in votes were counted, right? Allegheny County stopped counting mysteriously and then all those mail-in votes were counted. We didn't have observers in there.
Starting point is 01:50:28 This isn't like, you know, President Trump, he'll put out tweets, you know, our poll watchers didn't have, he's right. Our poll watchers were 30 feet away. You can't see anything. And then Alito stepped in, Justice Alito stepped in and said six feet.
Starting point is 01:50:42 But then our guys would call us and say, we still can't see anything. Six feet. Like, that's ridiculous. And you know what's really funny about these photos? You've got two people sitting next to each other, six feet from two people counting votes. So I can sit next to somebody, but I can't sit in front of the glass. In Allegheny County, our poll watchers had to have binoculars.
Starting point is 01:51:02 It was the most absurd thing ever. Did you see what the judge said? The judge in Pennsylvania said the election code doesn't specify the amount of distance required. Therefore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the only thing that requires is that they're in the building. That was not the exactly. That's the most insane argument in the world from a disingenuous, bad faith judge.
Starting point is 01:51:20 Because we all know the point of an observer to be like, see, that is correct. That is not correct. Absolutely. Absolutely. And by the way, not just Democrat and Republican on either side. Both parties should be able to watch. Yeah. You know, I sued.
Starting point is 01:51:34 And an independent. Early on, before the election took place. Like, you know, they've got these satellite voting facilities, right? It's a new thing. You know, people can register and vote right and cast their ballot there so i said well there should be poll watchers there right the democrat and republican you know i lost in court like connor lamb and mark elias and mark elias is the democrat attorney like i wasn't allowed but i'm like why why why not why why are they
Starting point is 01:52:02 blocking observers why are they blocking transparency that makes no sense but you know what the problem is they're they're clearly cheating changing the rules blocking observers and republicans are going to be like well darn it like i'm not like asking for democrat and republican poll watchers to have access it's not a crazy thing right no i mean i mean is that in canada they have there was a tweet that went out said three scrutineers they watch the vote count three different people different parties we could have democrat republican and libertarian for good measure the libertarians can be mad at both of them you know what i mean yeah like no no you don't get to
Starting point is 01:52:38 but we don't do that that's that's insane to me and so i'm supposed to just trust this i'm telling you man we are in a very dangerous position where I almost wonder if the Democrats want absolute collapse and chaos and violence in the streets, because if they were confident that Joe Biden won, they'd simply say, give baby his bottle, do your audits, and we'll be getting ready for the presidency. Instead, they're saying, no, no audits, no transparency, no checking. We want you to not trust this election and this president. You can see what their intent is through how they act, right? How the media acts. They literally are trying to paper right over it, move past everything as fast as humanly possible.
Starting point is 01:53:21 Again, we can't allow that to happen. We've got to let the process play out so that the American people can have some sort of trust in the system. And I think the only way that you do that is by, as you mentioned, auditing the vote in some way. Do you notice a shift in narrative, too? Recounts are now audits. Did you see what they did in Georgia? It was a recount. President Trump was out there.
Starting point is 01:53:40 It was like, it doesn't matter. You're just counting the same false votes. Georgia was a risk-limiting audit where they take a small sample of the ballots and then recount them to make sure they match with the machines. And they're like, we're good. Trump wanted an audit where they actually checked the signatures to make sure they're legitimate. And it's crazy to me that in Pennsylvania, these judges, man, wow, they're saying things
Starting point is 01:54:03 like if the envelope wasn't filled out with an address or a date or whatever, it's fine. The ballot still counts. It's like, wait, what? Yeah. You don't know who mailed that in. You have no idea. That's why you're supposed to have a secure process. You've got PA judges, man, working overtime to undermine election security.
Starting point is 01:54:19 That's what I'm saying. Maybe these people all just are laughing behind the scenes being like, I hope no one ever believes these elections ever again. Mail-in ballots, like they do it right in florida right like but there are safeguards in place there's a system in place there's a process in place like you can't remove the signature verification the postmark requirement you can't extend uh election the election for three freaking days and allow people allow people to okay say this is our margin on election day and then get the votes you need three days after none of that makes sense i'm surprised there hasn't been the constitutional argument that there is an election day that's it
Starting point is 01:54:55 end of story actually that's in the constitution yeah it says the election day to me and i make i've made this point quite often is that the moment you stop counting, you compromise everything. You've known about an election day for a year. You get the people that you need to continue counting. And if that means you have to work in shifts to do it, so be it. But remember Pennsylvania in 2016? It wasn't called until like 5 a.m. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:19 Why stop counting in Allegheny County? The moment you stop. And the massive, you know, these spikes pop up in the different states. The moment you stop and the massive you know these spikes pop up in the different states the moment you stop to me the process is compromised yeah well in georgia we heard that they told the observers to leave because they were done counting and then as soon as they left they started counting again and then these like this data drops came in yeah i've heard what's funny is the the the mainstream media has tried explaining away that we saw these major spikes for biden of like a hundred plus thousand votes, 98 percent for Biden.
Starting point is 01:55:47 They're like, that's normal. It's the Republicans fault because they had to count at the last minute. And of course, they then turn in all the numbers at the same time. It makes a major spike. And I'm like, that's not the question that was asked. The question is, why were they all for Joe Biden? Yeah, that's it. That's the thing they don't answer.
Starting point is 01:56:02 Yeah. You know, there's several jurisdictions that's over 100% voter turnout. I've seen that in Florida's precinct 538, which is like University of Florida, they were like 107.56% this time. Great. And I'm like, that's not a thing. Yeah. And they explain it. Well, it's because people change their address to our precinct at the last minute. And I'm like, so how did that's it's okay, fine, sure. But how do you explain all these other jurisdictions, Wisconsin, for instance? Oh, well, that's because – no, no, no, no, no. Listen, maybe there's an explanation for one or two, but when you give me 10 or whatever, I want an investigation.
Starting point is 01:56:33 Absolutely. But we don't have an FBI. You know what the FBI is real good at, though? Going to the NASCAR garage because a pole rope looked like a noose. 15 people. Yeah. Yeah. The FBI is real good at sending 15 agents out to make sure that that pole rope was not a noose 15 people yeah yeah the fbi is real good at sending 15 agents out to make
Starting point is 01:56:45 sure that that that pole rope was uh was not a noose but uh you get a sworn affidavit saying a van pulled up with a box of ballots and people started shuffling them inside and the fbi says i don't know is there evidence circumstantial uh-huh yeah we can ignore all that i suppose let's see taiga tail says in my opinion crazy is when you vote for the same people over and over again and expect things expect things to change yep well that's why i say democrats go for low information voters and to be fair um i think a lot like it used to be the political establishment both were doing the same thing it was like i think that's why people voted for trump because exactly was different. He was the outsider.
Starting point is 01:57:28 He said, I'm going to crash through the gates of the establishment and make some changes. And they voted for him. And the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats in many ways. We had a guy on the show last Friday, Hotep Jesus. And he was talking, the Democrats, they're crazy and all that stuff. And I said, well, what do you think about Republicans? And he was like, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, I don't know if the Republicans do anything for me to complain about. What are they doing? And I'm like, I'm paraphrasing, but he said, I don't know what the Republicans do anything for me to complain about. Like, what are they doing?
Starting point is 01:57:47 And I'm like, that's exactly it. You see, I think when Trump got elected, for the most part, the Republican establishment was like, what do we do now? Bunch of guys retired. A bunch of the non-elected officials, the strategists and consultants became Democrats, never Trumpers, actually campaigning for Democrats. Because it's not about Republican or Democrats about political establishment power. Trump challenged the system.
Starting point is 01:58:08 He was not a traditional Republican. So the establishment is freaking out. Yeah. Yep. I agree. David Elliott says Biden sniffs kids. This is actually it's actually correct. It's a fact.
Starting point is 01:58:20 It is not trying to go after him, but it is true. It is true. Let's see. Frank the God says, not only was Biden responsible for the 94 crime bill, but he was also responsible for expanding civil forfeiture with the 84 Comprehensive Asset Forfeiture Act. Wow. I didn't know that. That's creepy and gross stuff. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:58:42 Yeah, man. I didn't know that either. Wow. Sam I am says, would you support a coup if Trump went insane in January? creepy and gross stuff. That's crazy. Yeah, man. I didn't know that either. Wow. Sam. I am says, would you support a coup? If Trump went insane in January, I think the right would most definitely be on board and right in the streets
Starting point is 01:58:53 and support, you know, I would say no. But there's a serious constitutional question about if we have all of this evidence coming out about impropriety and bunk elections and unconstitutionality, and these judges' arguments are meaningless and make no sense, and then we certify a guy who did not win, we're going to have a serious problem in this country. It's not going to matter if you support Trump or don't. Well, it's a constitutional crisis,
Starting point is 01:59:18 and that's what I say. That's what I say about this lawsuit that we have now with Act 77. The people who cast mail and ballots, I don't want them to disenfranchise. I don't want their ballots thrown out. But, but if, if act 77 is ruled to be unconstitutional, we have a constitutional crisis in the state of Pennsylvania that needs to
Starting point is 01:59:39 be remedied. Right. And, and that's why we're working so hard to get that remedy in the court to, to, so that the question that that person just asked that that scenario doesn't happen. There was a story from Reuters where they interviewed a bunch of Trump supporters and one guy said, if Trump said, you know, it's time, grab your guns, they'd say yes. And I've met a lot of people who have said the same thing. Well, that's scary. It is. Yeah is yeah man we want things to be chill and be normal but the problem is the only way to go to get there
Starting point is 02:00:13 is that the democrats allow for audits and respect the the the you know the concerns 70 plus million people is a lot of people but they're saying no they're blocking it they're they're they're spitting in the face of people who are concerned about all these sworn affidavits in this evidence and the media is lying there's no evidence shut your mouth that's that's scary uh let's see arch mcgiris says central pa voter here in york h bergeria only dem poll watchers at my location republican poll watchers were outside arguing with people massive bollocks afoot i mean it sounds like that that's their fault were that were they were they out there by choice arguing with people no they were probably forced out there yeah probably being kicked down huh jason herbert says what if trump calls for military intervention if he calls all veterans and ad individuals to stand up because they won't look
Starting point is 02:01:00 at the evidence in the courts he presents all of it that can be proven. I don't think so. I don't know. Let's see. John says, Sean loved your podcast with Jocko. I was so glad you were running for Congress. Can you say mail-in ballots are bahad? Bahad? Oh, bad.
Starting point is 02:01:18 Bahad. That was my ad. No, I did the Dollar Sean ad where I... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. There did the Dollar Sean ad where I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. So there was some breaking news that came in of some several minutes ago. There's an Axios report reporter claiming Trump wants to pardon Michael Flynn. Look up Jonathan Swan's Twitter.
Starting point is 02:01:35 If Trump feels like, you know, he's not, you know, he's out. I think we're going to have one of the most lit lame duck sessions ever. Trump's going to pardon tons of people. Edward Snow and Julian Assange. I mean, we'll see. But I would love it if Trump just like pardoned, for the most part, nonviolent drug offenders. Not every single one. I've talked about it with a few people.
Starting point is 02:01:55 Sometimes there's a violent defender. They plead down. But if you've got a bunch of nonviolent drug offenders and Trump's hard pardon, I might be happy. And you will. Joe Biden's promised to do it, too. So, you know know maybe that's just the political competition between the two results in something good happening what if he declassifies a bunch of stuff oh area 51 who was that jeremy was saying that yeah yesterday yeah
Starting point is 02:02:14 declassify all the area 51 stuff all the russia asked him to declassify something about jfk oh man spicy yeah but like hasn't uh gina haswell been blocking him on declassifying a ton of stuff i i don't know i i i don't know how to can't trump just publish it can he be like give me the documents now and then take a picture and post it on twitter he's the president he did you know i mean i don't know how that process works they're freaking out they're like i can't remember who said it they said trump needs to be arrested and removed now because he's dangerous and he's gonna like you know do crazy stuff and i'm kind of like people have been saying that about trump since the day he was elected and it's never been true dude if it were but if it were me i'd i'd look i think trump held back because he wanted to win re-election
Starting point is 02:02:57 i thought a second trump term was gonna be crazy he's gonna be pardoning people he's gonna be like here we go let's do it now that you know joe biden's the projected winner trump's still fighting we'll see how we got this hearing coming up we've got your lawsuit we'll see how things play out but if it comes down to the line and trump's he's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy he's gonna do he's gonna do stuff we'll see what happens i'm sure the american people are gonna be really happy you know he's he pulled up pentagon leadership he put in people who are loyal to him yeah to help the you know withdraw from afghanistan yep yep how crazy you hear about the the official who lied about the amount of troops
Starting point is 02:03:33 we had i couldn't believe that i i couldn't believe that you have an official bragging about lying to a president about the american people yeah i mean it's horrible it's it's it's like this is what this is what president trump has been up against for the last four years. I mean, what an unbelievable leadership challenge. Megalith says Trump carried GOP despite not being one. I've seen a lot of people where they say if Trump loses, they will never vote GOP. They are frustrated at the rhinos trying to get him out i think i think republicans like i i don't think that they should overlook the fact that trump drove people to the polls and record levels
Starting point is 02:04:11 and the entire gop benefited from that i went to a ton of trump rallies in 2015 and 16 and i met so many people who said they weren't republicans and never voted before those people aren't going to come out and vote republican that's why i think there's serious i think the republicans could lose the senate there are a lot of people who voted so the democrats are fervent they're they're they're we're gonna win we're gonna take everything you've got andrew yang saying we're moving to georgia and there were calls from some journalists saying people should move to georgia right now so they can vote which is illegal you can't do that and i think if if it comes down to trump not being on the ticket democrats could take it that hurts i mean we've seen we've seen that effect in 2018
Starting point is 02:04:52 yeah and so i think it's likely democrats will take everything what president trump needs to do is he needs to do like five six rallies down there in georgia for both purdue and loeffler and and do everything that he can but i think people vote trump i i think that they yeah i yeah i do think that the president is is a man he drives people to the polls in an incredible way i mean so people who never voted before and people who aren't even republicans the republicans are registering new new voters like crazy people are switching parties but if uh donald trump's there, I think it'll be like 2018. The Democrats are ideologically driven. So if they see—
Starting point is 02:05:33 They're motivated now. That is for sure. I look at it this way. Who are the Republicans? Is it Loeffler and is it Perdue? Yeah. They're, for most people, I'd imagine, it's kind of like, oh, it's you know, I'd rather not have Democrats. The Democrats are saying we want to win and, you know, take this and end it.
Starting point is 02:05:53 For most people, Donald Trump is a path to victory. But Loeffler and Purdue are just kind of it'll stop the Democrats. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't I don't know if they'll be able to generate the energy without Trump. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see, though. We'll see, though. Well, anyway, if you haven't already smashed that like button,
Starting point is 02:06:11 is there anything else you want to add about lawsuits, your social media, what your plans are, what's going on? What were you doing? Well, geez, man. I mean, well, I don't even know. You kind of caught me off guard there. I mean, I'm working on my fourth book, which is pretty amazing. No, I say fifth fifth book fifth fourth fiction book but five total books but yeah i mean i'm i'm here i just like i just work here i like showing up like i'm
Starting point is 02:06:35 gonna i'm gonna crash in your house and you like i said you won't even know i won't even realize yeah you know bring your own guns bring it bring yeah. I got plenty of them, which under Joe Biden's tax plan would be bad. Yeah, that's crazy. And banning all online sales of guns and accessories. Ending businesses outright. Based on the amount of magazines that you have. Yeah, so I don't know. I was reading about it.
Starting point is 02:07:00 I don't know if his tax plan would affect existing weapons and ammo and magazines. But I guess the idea is any purchase of a new one would be heavily taxed, which is like I've never been a big fan of punitive taxation or whatever, you know, trying to control people or whatever. But, well, I mean, just last thought, what do you think is going to happen with your race and the suit? Any predictions? Yeah, well, it's in the hands of the court now. My attorney called me while we were here. I'm not sure if he has news, if the electronic filing system is up. So maybe there's some big breaking update and we just... Maybe. I don't know. I mean, the wheels of the court turn slowly, but we'll see. I mean, we're going to keep fighting. We're going to keep investigating these irregularities and doing everything we can to find hard evidence of them so that the people can have some trust in the way that our elections are conducted.
Starting point is 02:07:50 And they're saying there's going to be a hearing tomorrow in Pennsylvania to go over the affidavits and the evidence, and maybe that's going to have some kind of impact. I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think the people need to see it, and they need to have faith in the system. Yeah, right on. You want to mention your Twitter or anything like that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Follow me at Sean Parnell USA. people need to see the people need to see it and they need to have faith in the system yeah right on you want to mention your uh your twitter or anything like that oh yeah yeah follow me at sean parnell usa right on yeah and uh what are your books what are they called yeah yeah yeah so i didn't even realize you know just shout them out man yeah you got all these graphic novels and magic yeah we got together i'm like this is this is my this is yeah i'm gonna write a graphic
Starting point is 02:08:21 novel we gotta get some of your books i am i am. It's amazing. I am going to do that. So my first book is Outlaw Platoon. That was about my time in Afghanistan. My first fiction book is a book called Man of War, right? And it follows the fictional world of the alphas. We're all elite singleton military operators. The alpha program is a program of nine soldiers nine soldiers singleton operators each responsible for a different geographic area of the globe the story follows an alpha named eric steel was the youngest most talented alpha right and so man of war uh eric steel gets his first book and then eric steel's
Starting point is 02:08:59 second book is a book called all-out war they're like kind of a pair. And then the third book in that series is a book that just came out last year. It's called One True Patriot. And I think that's by far my best fiction book to date. And I'm working on the fourth book now. And I think that people dig them. Is the fourth book going to be about a guy who runs for office and there's a mail-in ballot scheme
Starting point is 02:09:21 to like subvert the presidency? No, no, no. No, but i am thinking of writing a a non-fiction book about all this yeah like being plucked out of you know obscurity but from the president of the united states and thrown in to run for office and yeah sort of a behind the curtain look at what happens on a campaign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on, man. That sounds cool. Yeah, so I'm just going to keep writing.
Starting point is 02:09:50 Keep doing my thing. Right on, man. Well, I'm going to be tracking the news on the suits and the hearings. We'll see how things go, but thanks for hanging out. Thanks, Tim. I appreciate it, man. We'll have you on whenever, so we'll get the developments. I'm crashing in your room right over there. Boom. Done. So as soon as you get the phone call from your lawyer, we'll be able to schedule the next show. So for those who haven't already, smash the like button,
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