Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #182 - SEVENTEEN STATES Sign On To Texas Lawsuit Demanding Trump Win w/ Jen Perelman

Episode Date: December 10, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and Luke engage with Jen Perelman sit down to discuss breaking news including the election cases, China's interference, Eric Swalwell's lack of character, and the Pope's ideas of equality.  Guest: Jen Perelman @JenFL23 Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My friends, Texas filed this Hail Mary lawsuit directly to the Supreme Court saying that they have original jurisdiction for disputes between states. And immediately, many of these pro Biden, many Democrat leaning legal experts and analysis started saying it's it's ridiculous. It's never going to happen. You know, we had CNN running a segment and then a couple other states voiced their support, saying they're getting behind Texas. My friends, it's up to 17 states now issuing this challenge, a third of the country questioning the results of this election. And they're essentially saying this should be overturned and Trump should win, because the argument is really just four states violated the Elector's Clause of the Constitution. Therefore, the state should choose the state legislature should choose the state legislature or Republicans. This would mean I just I guess it's Clause of the Constitution. Therefore, the state should choose, the state legislature should choose, the state legislature are Republicans. This would mean, I just, I guess

it's very simply a Trump victory. So this is breaking news. We got a lot of information coming out about this. We also have Trump asking Ted Cruz to argue the case, and the Supreme Court might not even take it. So we're gonna talk about this. We got a bunch of other things to talk about. We've got stuff about, I guess, Pope Francis backing the Great Reset. And we have a new autonomous zone emerging. We all know how much everyone loved the LARP farm at the original autonomous zone. But this should be a really interesting show because we actually have a great guest, Jen Perlman, who is – you're progressive, yes? I am progressive.

You ran as a Democrat against Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Correct. Very anti-establishment, though. I am anti-establishment. I mean, the only reason I ran as a Democrat is that's the only way to do it where I live. All right. I am with them by name. All right.

So this isn't like a it's not my philosophy is nothing establishment. But I am for policies. I am for whatever is going to create a better collective. And the best way for me to do that where I live is unfortunately through the party. That's just that's just the way it is. I mean, the same is true for Trump. He's not a Republican in the way these other Republicans exactly. And but he used the party and same thing for Bernie Sanders, too.

So this will be interesting, too. We don't we don't really we were having a lot of really great conversations before the show even started. And, you know, anti woke, I guess. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I am anti woke. I think they that's a problem because I think a lot of people that probably listen to you have this vision of the left,

the woke left. And I feel like I need to represent the actual left and let you know that that woke left is not us. All right. So those people... Fighting for legitimacy. Yes. And it's a problem. Who is the real left? I'm left on policy. So when you want to say who's the real left, the people that are fighting for legitimacy. Yes. And it's the real left. I'm left on policy. So when you want to say who's the real left, the people that are fighting for a $15 minimum wage, Medicare for all, getting out of the regime change wars, the people that are standing up for what would be the Labor Party, which is non-existent. So that's the actual left.

The people that are the Democrats, that's not the left. No, the weird corporate. They are at best center. Like if you were to take a typical, you know, centrist Democrat in any other country, that's not the left. Maybe the better way to put it is the Democrats just say whatever they think will get them the most votes. Well, that's for sure.

Yeah, that's for sure. And the candidates do it too. Many Republicans, like most of them, actually. So we'll jump into a lot and we'll talk about the news and then we'll get into a bunch of policy stuff it'll be fun we also have a luke rudkowski who's just he lives here now i guess so you know he's on the show in your parking lot hi my political ideology most aligns with ron swanson on steroids and i run we are changed at work thanks for having me on or probably Ron Paul that depends you put a picture of Ron Paul on my Christmas tree he's a star and

I like him wow no he is where we meet on the other end yeah yeah yeah I mean Ron Paul's awesome everyone you've had on the show it's interesting too because I lean left on a lot of policy issues but I think Ron Paul's great because he's a libertarian you know Ian's chilling in the wonderful oh my gosh repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 preach I think Ron Paul's great because he's a libertarian. Ian's chilling in the wonderful –

Oh, my gosh. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Preach. Was it Jekyll Island? Is that what it's called? Yeah, where they wrote it up. Where they wrote it. And then, of course –

Woodrow Wilson. Lydia is producing. Yeah, I'm trying to give you guys a sneak peek. Sorry about that. Okay. So let's – if you haven't already, smash the Like button, subscribe to the notification bell. Live, Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. Thanks for hanging out.

Let's, this is going to be interesting. We're having a conversation about what's going on with Trump in this election. I am, I have this story from Reuters. Check this out. Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at the Supreme Court. Reuters reports, President Donald Trump and 17 U.S. states on Wednesday threw their support behind a long shot lawsuit by Texas seeking to overturn his election loss by asking the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out the voting

results in four states. Trump, defeated by President-elect Joe Biden in the November 3rd election, filed a motion with the court asking the nine justices to let him intervene and become a plaintiff in the suit filed on Tuesday or by Republican governed Texas against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. If the justices let Trump join the lawsuit, it would create the extraordinary circumstance of a sitting U.S. president asking the top court to decide that the millions of votes cast in the four states did not count. The Republican president lost to Biden in the four election battleground states after winning them in the 2016 election. Writing on Twitter, Trump said, this is the big one. Our country needs a victory. In a separate brief, lawyers for 17 states led by Missouri's Republican Attorney General Eric Schmidt also urged the justices to hear the case. Election law experts have said the Texas lawsuit stands

little chance of success and lacks legal merit. And I will add as well, we actually had a Trump supporting lawyer on the show, Will Chamberlain, the other day, who also didn't think it was going to make it. So take that with a grain of salt. I know a lot of people are excited by this. And I think outside of that, there's political ramifications as to why I think they will end up taking this. But I'm not a lawyer. Reuters goes on to say the lawsuit, the latest in a series of election challenges brought

by Trump's campaign and supporters that so far have failed in numerous courts, was brought by Ken Paxton, the Republican attorney general of Texas and an ally of the president. Here we go. In addition to Missouri, the states joining Texas were Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia. All of the states were represented by Republican officials in the filing. All but three of the states have Republican governors. They go on to say Trump has made false statements, et cetera, et cetera. But I think we got the gist of the story.

And I'm just going to say I wouldn't be surprised if the other Republican states of which I think by state houses, we have, what, 29 states that are Republican. I don't see why they all wouldn't sign on either, except I think, you know, the states that are actually being sued who are Republican as well. So that means there's 25 states that could potentially sign on supporting this lawsuit. Now, as of right now, my understanding is they've just filed for leave, which means they're asking permission to sue. We'll see if it happens but um this is kind of crazy the president is joining republican states suing four states that went for biden in order to win the election is this civil war it's not civil war but this is one third of the united states saying that they are contesting the election. This is significant. And

we'll see how it plays out in the Supreme Court. A lot of people have their different opinions on this. But this shows you how this country is divided, and how this divide is going to keep growing. Very bad. Yes. I mean, it's, you know, look, years ago, I was talking about the violence in the streets, Antifa, Proud Boys and stuff. And people were saying, you know, I was like, I feel like we're on the trajectory for a civil war. I feel like it's possible because you have growing tribal factions. You have the culture war, which became political when it reached, you know, politicians. Then we started seeing, you know, populist left, populist right getting into positions, federal positions getting elected. So now it's in government. Now it's in the presidency.

Now it's in the Supreme Court. And now you have the states lining up this is crazy earlier today i was like when you have five states you know lining up against four states we're starting to see the states draw those lines this is this to me is nuts if if 17 states are basically saying joe biden shouldn't be president what happens if joe biden becomes president how are these states going to function we also had the the uh the oath keepers the largest militia in the country, their founder said, his name was Rhodes, Stuart Rhodes. Yeah, he said that half the country will not view anything out of Joe Biden's mouth as legitimate, that he's not the president. So this is getting spicy. Well, there's gonna be a lot of 10th Amendment arguments and a lot of sheriffs and a lot of

local politicians kind of trying to stand their ground. And we're going to have another big battle, as we've seen under the Bill Clinton presidency between the states and the big federal government, where we saw large incidences like Waco and Ruby Ridge. I mean, a lot of people are talking about the worst of the worst. I don't know. Some people are trying to be more pragmatic, saying maybe it won't be that bad. But just from your kind of expertise politically, how do you see these things moving forward? Because some people are saying there's going to be a big clash, there's going to be a big fight. Some people are saying, well, no one's really going to care, everyone's going to go back to normal. How do you see it from your kind of political expertise? I think that right now, everybody is

anticipating the worst possible scenario. I think first of all, it's very fear based thinking. And that's something that we all like to do. I think people are very into their labels. They're very into teams. This is very tribalist. And so people are sort of doubling down. Now, do those same people have the actual wherewithal to follow up with that, to actually do something? Does this actually go anywhere? Does this hit the streets?

Does this become – I don't know. Like, I don't think so. I think that depending on what happens with this legally will kind of determine where it goes and yet there's going to always be a contingency of people that are going to say this is illegitimate well you voted for biden i i did not proud of it not proud of it and and again it's one of those things like i am not the person that's going to stand here and argue for that right it wasn't the i could just as easily have not like i went back and forth it wasn't like a good this was not an easy choice it's not something i'm proud of you

know i didn't vote for trump or hillary in 2016 i didn't either and i think it's because on policy issues i lean left on a lot of policies so did you go i i voted green in 16 i voted for sign oh in 2016 i didn't vote oh okay i put my feet up on the desk i was hanging out do you know cassandra fairbanks no she's uh She's still a Trump supporter, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. But I was hanging out with her. She was a progressive, like, I think that year, right?

2016. And then she flipped because of the wokeness. It went from her being this big activist supporting progressive causes and social justice issues to being attacked because, I guess they call her passing white, even though she's, you know, part Puerto Rican or whatever. So she ends up becoming a Trump supporter. I'm hanging out with her. I put my feet up on a desk. I'm just laughing. As the results come in, seeing Hillary Clinton lose, it was like it was comeuppance for the Democratic Party for the dirty games they played. Oh, I never supported her. There was no universe where and I was voting for Hillary. That wasn't happening. I mean, it really came down to for me in that election. I voted green. I'm always, as opposed to abstaining, you know, any support of third

parties, if we can get third parties to get 5%. So really that was, and you know, Jill Stein was fine. Like I didn't, you know. If I could ask you, what was the determining factor that made you vote for Biden, but not for Hillary? What was that decision? Because it's interesting to really deep dive into these things and understand what went behind this. Okay, so I, like I said, I am about the policies. I despise both of those people in terms of policy. Let's be, like, there is no, I have no delusion about Joe Biden. Really, what it came down to for me was when Trump basically signaled to the Proud Boys,

and again, it's theater, and it's hyperbole. I'm not saying like, oh, he hurt my feelings. This isn't that. I'm not those people. And when he indicated that he wouldn't support a peaceful transition of power. And that is a problem for me because there's something I do believe in is our Constitution. So I take that seriously. So when it comes to a lot of things, I am very live and let live. The fact that he was seemingly to me directly threatening basically the foundation of the what is our process.

That was not OK with me. I never it was never about Joe Biden. I he's don't you think Hillary Clinton did that? Democrats did that. And I know you're not a big fan of the establishment politicians. No, no, no. You know, for four years, I guess the argument from the right is for four years, they accused Trump of literally being an agent of Russia. They spent 30 million dollars doing this investigation, which turned out nothing. They ended up going after I think the prosecution of Michael Flynn is nightmarish when you look at

all the details. And then so Trump basically is like, why am I going to give them the courtesy that they didn't give me I I agree but this is one of those what about ism things right so I'm as an adult I am dealing with what I have in front of me right now I have never supported Hillary Clinton I find her despicable for so many reasons like we I could write a dissertation I wonder if everyone's cheering in the chat right now like Hillary's awful everybody hates her no she's horrible she's a horrible person I think we all agree on that yeah no she is a horrible person um i find her infinitely more nefarious than i find joe biden um i find him more hapless i find him just he's

just a tool he's an establishment tool i find hillary to be quite nefarious but but kamala harris is the actual. Kamala is Hillary. Right, right. So you voted for Kamala. Well, I didn't. And I plan on spending the next four years of my life, like making sure that there's a really decent primary challenge. I mean, I and I have been very clear that there is no universe.

See, for the same reason I find Hillary nefarious, I find Kamala nefarious. I don't find Joe Biden nefarious. And if he's the pause button like i view him as the pause button but we still need to get our stuff in order the ship a ship we have to write our ship yes but we do and it's and it's a serious problem so no and i don't see him as solving anything but i think come on joe biden's on the way out i'm not trying to be mean or anything but i nancy pelosi you know created that commission or whatever ofiden's on the way out i'm not trying to be mean or anything but i nancy pelosi you know created that commission or whatever of presidents also on her way out yeah well yeah

i certainly hope so i can't believe that she keeps winning but anyway she creates this commission about removing a president if they're not cognitively fit or whatever and everyone's like you're trying to get rid of trump and she goes no no it's for a future president no no they're wanting to install kamala that's that's been their goal for the past four years. They were sticking her there one way or the other. I mean, Biden even talked about this. I can't even say that I wouldn't necessarily. I really can't say again, like when I made that decision, this is not something where I'm again, like, I wish I could tell you I defend that. And this I don't. I really don't. It really could have been a coin toss on the day that I did it it's you know i don't i i hear you're saying i've i've met a lot of people um one of the stories i

tell a lot is i was in i went on glenn beck's show i was in texas where's he in austin or something and i was in an uber on the way to the studio and the guy was driving was uh the child of immigrants he i he asked me what i was doing i said i was going to glenn beck and he's like oh yeah yeah politics and stuff like that he's like so so you're a trump trump supporter at the time i was like no no i think the media lies about him i don't think he's that bad but i'm not and he's like yeah he said i voted for him and you know man i just wish he would stop talking and stop tweeting the way he does because it's like it's hard to defend sometimes you know and i'm like this is a regular guy who's driving uber who likes the president but is having an issue with the president's character and the

things he says yeah particularly around like you know we'll see what happens with the election and stuff I personally don't think it was the most bombastic thing he said in terms of we'll see how it plays out you know not a peaceful transition or whatever we'll sue and now it's certainly not a a yeah well I don't know if it's you can't call it peaceful it's it's going through the courts we don't know yet right we don't know what's going to happen come. You know, what is it? January 21st. I'm I'm kind of scared.

I'm I. I don't think there's a way out. I don't think. Look, well, he keeps building the fence higher. Well, oh, yeah. But that's a meme, too. The wall just got two feet higher. Joe Biden's son is now they're announcing this.

What is this that they've said that he's under criminal investigation or tax investigation? Yeah, I mean, there's there's so much there. And it's crazy that this story broke. Of course, it was an October surprise. And Twitter suppresses it. Facebook suppresses it. The big news outlets won't cover it. And now we get this video. I don't know if you saw the video where there's a Chinese professor, Di Dongsheng, where he basically said the Bidens are compromised. Yeah. And he was like, who do you think got Hunter Biden all that money? So I look at, you know, Donald Trump and I see the peace agreements that have come through in the past several months. I like it.

He's trying to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and he's being blocked by both Democrats and Republicans. I don't like that. My congressperson couldn't get behind that. So I understand that. And that's somebody with a nice big D behind her name. She couldn't support withdrawing from Afghanistan. Why? She couldn't even get behind reducing the Pentagon budget by 10%.

This is Debbie Wasserman. She's awful. She's Hillary Jr. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, when people start looking at the letters, I would urge them to look at the policy choices. I am actually fearful that a Joe Biden presidency is, yeah, he's hapless, but he's he's he's going to sell us out like the the the Obama administration. You're familiar with the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

I imagine. Yes, I know the TPP. And I imagine you're opposed to it. Of course. But Joe Biden's going to bring us all back into that. Of course. But but I also think and I hope that he gets us back into the Iran deal, because for the same reasons that I was applauding Trump in terms of when he was going into North

Korea, and of course, the Democrats were all, you know, they were trying to, they attack him from the right all the time. It's infuriating. We'll see, as the true left, because I'm the left, we don't like that. So that's, you're attacking him for the sake of attacking him. You're attacking him on the few things that we might actually come to agreement on. And so I do like the idea of getting back into the Iran deal. That is something that I support.

So, you know, he in the similar way was going to undo everything Obama did. They're going to Tulsi Gabbard you, call you right wing and all this stuff. They can't except for my policy speak to the complete left. Like I don't care. Well, you know, I guess it depends on who you say or they who's they the media establishment and the Democratic. They ignore me anyway. The truth is, and here's, you want to know if something ever was going to protect me?

Is that what benefits Debbie Wasserman Schultz best is if I'm completely ghosted. If my name comes up and I come up, then that's going to draw attention to that race, to that district, to her. And that never benefits her. So I am more at risk of being completely ghosted than I am of being trashed. Luke once yelled at Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yes, we asked her some very serious questions about Obama's kill list, which she told me face to face didn't exist. This was big news, though, because everyone knew it existed. The New York Times said it existed.

Obama was signing off every Tuesday on who they were going to kill. And then she's like, that's not a real thing. And everybody was like, whoa, she's lying. And she was the head of the DNC. And she, of course, and people forget, she had to resign in disgrace from the DNC.

Oh, but our district reelected her. Yes. And then Hillary Clinton took her under her claws right afterwards and literally brought her in. Claws with a W or AU. I'm not even going to get in there.

Brought her in and gave her a job right away. So, yeah, W. Washington Schultz isn't a fan of mine either. But, you know, there's a lot to learn from each other. But it's interesting to see this kind of duplicity. One side wants a peace deal with North Korea, but doesn't want one with Iran. The other side is completely the opposite. That's just because they're trying to undo each other.

Why can't we just have a peaceful, non-interventionist american foreign policy which every president keeps promising us george w bush barack obama you know it's popular trump no it's popular it's the military industrial complex right right right they're all beholden but they're all beholden why do they keep campaigning on it we're gonna end these forever wars because they know that that is what's popular yeah for sure most people don't want to be in one. George W. Bush promised to be a non-interventionist president. So did Barack Obama. So did Donald Trump.

Donald Trump, I mean, there's an argument to make here because he's quasi-globalist, quasi-nationalist. He's the only one that hasn't started a war out of all those people. That's very true. And he broke the long time cycle for decades now of starting a new war, which does have to be kind of looked at, even though he kind of came close to it with Iran. You're the perfect example of, I think, why Trump supporters needed to do better outreach to the left, because there's probably there's a

lot you've praised Trump for. I know what I see him. No, because I don't just hate him because I hate him. All right. Like, I don't have that. My Look, I'm not a Republican. I don't generally support their policies. I don't support their platform. I'm about policy, right? So their policies do not speak to me. But I don't just slam him just because to slam him. But he also did the same thing

with the Obama stuff. He went and tried to just undo everything Obama did just to stick it to him. So what you're dealing with is a massive amount of man-baby egos. Yeah. And now Biden's going to do the same thing. But I was going to wonder. No, Joe Biden is going to be put in his wheelchair, wheeled into the sun with a blanket on his lap. Kamala, the corporate, corporate globalist, whatever. He's the front man. He's

the suit man. But I was gonna ask you, what qualities of Donald Trump did you like? I like that he's anti establishment. I like that he's not part of the machine. Now, he is part of his whole own machine. He is absolutely part of what I would consider to be the oligarchic class. He is definitely part of that level of corporate establishment. He is definitely of the haves and not the have-nots. His interests are definitely not the same as the interests of the majority of people that I would say I would represent as a constituency.

So he is not somebody that I would support. But the things that most people dislike about him generally don't bother me. I don't care about his mean tweets. I don't care about his ridiculous nonsense. But what that does do is it distracts people for the same reason we're talking about the wrestling thing. And there are people that don't see it as hyperbolic. And that right, right, right. And they weren't talking about real issues they were talking about ice cream toilet paper russia gate meanwhile distracting us from the real actual issues the banksters the the the corporatism none of that was discussed at all you could have legitimately had some real criticism against donald trump but you never had that at all no my issues with him are policy-based and um when he's done things that i haven't found objectionable i've always been pretty vocal about. Like I don't – I've never pretended that I hate – I don't hate him.

And that has actually gotten me a lot of crap. That's okay, right? Crap. Yeah. That has gotten me a lot from the left that you're speaking of and the establishment and specifically in our district because I don't hate him enough. You know what I've noticed? A lot of the leftists, like the non-woke ones, refer to the woke left as the neolibs. Yeah. Neoliberals.

Yeah. And then on the right, they just say the left or leftists. And I'd like for people to understand there is a big difference. I feel like as somebody who's the actual left, we are fighting a war on two fronts, right? Like we're fighting. And we actually spend more time fighting our own people. We don't have to fight Republicans. We can't get past our own selves. And so the people that are the actual, and we're constantly being viewed by people like you're probably a lot of your audience

as the same. No, we're not the same, right? Like, very nuanced to an extent, I would say yes. But I think Trump, a lot of trump's voters really like the anti-woke anti-establishment left you know people like jimmy door for instance or people like you actually so if you if you come out and say before i start this conversation i want to say two things and i'm not saying this literally i'm just saying this figuratively yeah i'm on the left but i think hillary clinton is completely despicable they're gonna be like okay okay let's have a conversation like we can start from there right yeah we agree on the establishment being awful yeah well because what we're talking about now is you're talking about literal politics and that's that's a circus to me okay i'm concerned

about policy this is this is the kind of conversation i think is the biggest threat to the establishment yeah that they don't want us all being friends right oh it's it's so it's really funny when i see you know jimmy do, who's very left in a lot of issues. He was tweeting about Medicare for all and things like that. And the criticisms he has of the Democrats, same as me, same as probably everybody in this room. And that's bad for the machine. I think Trump ran as a Republican because it was his path to entry, same as many progressives run as Democrats as their path to entry. But Trump does not function the same way the establishment machine did. It was Democrats and Republicans. They were the same thing. Trump

got in and he put a boot to the behind of many of these people. And so you saw the never Trumpers flee to the Democratic Party. All of a sudden now we have these which isn't a stretch, though. And I and that's the thing that we need to be very clear on because the Democratic Party is basically very moderate. They're the same thing. Yeah, they are. They're corporate. I think they pretend to have issues they care about. They'll tell you, oh, you're a Republican. I'm pro-life just like you. And then they'll sell you out at a moment's notice. The Democrats will tell you they're for your policy and then ignore you as soon as they get elected. So Trump gets in and it's amazing to see the Lincoln Project, right? These Republicans all of a sudden supporting Democrat candidates. And I'm like, you're not Republicans. You're not conservatives. You're not. You're just there. I call them the

keys to the castle Democrats or keys to the castle politicians. Give me the keys. I'll say whatever you want to say. And then I'm going to go inside, lock the door and just take the money and do whatever I want. And that's that's that's that's where we're at for the most part. Corporatists. That's what they all are. That's what they all have. That's the common denominator. They all work for the same employer. If you were to follow the money trail from all these people, and while Trump has not been a traditional Republican, he has towed that line, too. He has definitely fallen in line with what I refer to as what I call the deep state. You think he has? I think that he has not pulled us out of the wars that he has said he was going to pull us out of.

Why? Well, hold on, hold on. You know that— And I mean continuously. Like, he first started with the, we're going to get out of the wars that he has said he was going to pull us out of. Why? Well, hold on. Hold on. You know that. And I mean, continuously, like he first started with the we're going to get out of Syria. And then that never happened. You know, that was because he was lied to. There was a so this is a story that came out from Defense One. A federal official bragged about lying to the to Trump and the and the American people about how many troops we had in Syria in order to inflate the number.

So Trump couldn't pull them out. Okay, so let me then just say this. The buck stops with him. So whatever the reason is that led him to where he is, that's where we are, right? So he's had three years. He did hire Bolton. He hired John Bolton.

I brag on that all the time. But you know, not like Pompeo as much. Gina Haspel. I mean, these are not people. He's trying to fire her. How many people did he kill in his escalated drone war? How many people did Trump kill? We don't know because they stopped the reporting.

Okay, so no new wars, but he killed countless people with drones. Exactly. Well, the Trump administration stopped the accountability and the counting of the drone shirts, so we don't know. Oh, well, that's even worse. So he did get us in a new war. It was a drone war. No, no, no.

He just escalated. He escalated the drone war. Yes, but my understanding is that was under Bolton. That a drone war. No, no, no. He just escalated. He escalated the drone war. Yes, but my understanding is that was under Bolton. That was under Trump. No, no, no. So when he hired Bolton, Bolton was like, we're going to blow everything up. Yeah, but again, buck stops where? It's true.

No, Trump hired a bunch of dumb people, and he's come to regret it. Now Bolton's throwing him under the bus. I hear it from a lot of Trump supporters who have said, Trump, who said this? Trump should have done the one thing he's famous for, fire people. He didn't do it. Well, and so that to me was him basically paying homage to the military industrial complex and the establishment. And that is, look, he's had three years.

But I will tell you this. I had a very big moment where I actually turned to my television while he was speaking by myself. And I said, thank you, sir, for your good candor. Because he actually made a comment as to we were in Syria for the oil. Yes. And I remember he said it in like mid sentence. I turned around. I'm like, thank you. Thank you for that. But but I kind of feel like, you know, Trump tried to remove all of our troops out of Syria and Democrats and Republicans revolted. He tried to remove all of our troops in Afghanistan and Democrats and Republicans blocked him. Yes. So I kind of felt

like when he said he said two things. He's coming out of the White House as a helicopter, you know, noise. And they're like, you know, how's it going? And he goes, we got a really great deal. We're going to sell Saudi Arabia tons of weapons, make billions of dollars. He had pictures. Yes. Yeah.

Remember that? He had pictures of the air of the all of the anti-war progressives jaws dropped. And they're like, he just said it. I was so pleased i was just admitted i know i was laughing i was clapping for it i was so pleased um well i mean i thought the pictures was the the ava was a little over the top but like i well it was sort of like how a little kid would draw demonstrate this is what we're doing i feel like he's doing it on purpose because so when when he said that we're keeping 200 troops in Syria, they're guarding the oil.

It's great. I was so pleased. But they blocked him and they lied to him. I wonder if Trump was like, all right, I'm going to tell everybody exactly why we had to keep these troops in here because he wants to get them out. See, I think that any president that actually really does go to do that, I don't think makes it. Yeah. And that's just see, I think that anybody

that were to really threaten the existence of our military industrial complex wouldn't live. That's just me. I mean, I just, and the only president that I know of that has done that got dead. The problem is they live at the White House

right in the belly of the beast. They'd have to go to Russia under the protection of some foreign country if they were going to defy the CIA. But then someone would step in and say, aha, he fled, he's illegitimate, we're taking control. It's still the only way to survive if you're going to go under the protection of some foreign country. Then they were just defy the CIA. But then someone would step in and say, aha, he fled. He's illegitimate. We're taking control. It's still the only way to survive if you're going to go against the CIA.

I think Trump was really naive when he first got elected. He assumed that he was in charge and he was going to be able to play ball with these establishment crony individuals. And they cut they put so many knives in that man's back. He didn't, you know. But that's the nature of the game. That's that job. He wasn't expecting to win. I mean, I don't think he really wanted that job.

I think he was doing it because they basically threatened him that you can't do it. And he's like, I'm going to show you. Yeah, but I would say one of the most important things that Trump did when he did first go into office is he stopped arming the rebels inside of Syria,

whether it was ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda. We do have to give him credit for that because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, they were running the same protocol that they ran in Libya. Overturn, give all the jihadis as much money, as much weapons as we can. Let's overthrow the government. Donald Trump stopped that. He did have a limited recent withdrawal of Afghanistan and Somalia, but again, very limited. But we have to look at this at the greater context of American geopolitics with Saudi Arabia, especially with the Saudi-U.S. coalition conducting their warfare on Yemen right now, which is literally creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

See, I can tell you something. He could do two things that would get me to sing his praises and actually be like a real supporter, okay? He could stop arming the Saudis, something. He could do two things that would get me to sing his praises and actually be like a real supporter. Okay, right? He could stop arming the Saudis, right? He could stop. He could do that. And he can pardon Julian Assange. There you go. He definitely needs to pardon.

I think he's going to pardon Assange. I hope so. You know what? That could be his legacy. Honestly, if he did that, you know, on the one hand, I think he could. But then on the other hand, I'm like, but what's in it for him? Yeah. Well, a lot of people.

Well, let's do this story. Let's read this one. This is from just the other day check this out trump plots mass pardons even to people not asking okay axios reports president trump isn't just accepting pardon requests but blindly discussing them quote like christmas gifts to people who haven't even asked sources with direct knowledge of the conversation told axios now i don't know who their sources are nor do i trust them for the most part. But let's keep reading behind the scenes. Trump recently told one advisor he was going to pardon every person who ever talked to me,

suggesting an even larger pardon blitz to come. As with most Trump conversations, the advisor wasn't sure how seriously to take the president, although Trump gave no indication he was joking. The president relishes his unilateral authority to issue get out of jail free cards lately. Lately, though, he's been soliciting recipients, asking friends and advisors who they think he should pardon. Julian Assange. Trump has also interrupted conversations to spontaneously suggest that he that he add the person he's speaking with to his pardon list. The offers haven't always been welcome.

One source felt awkward because the president was clearly trying to be helpful, but the advisor didn't believe they'd committed any crimes. The advisor also believed being on the list could hurt their public persona. The White House declined to comment. Trump argues the preemptive pardons may be necessary because the Biden administration will target his former aides, the sources say. President-elect Biden has said he doesn't want to pursue the Trump team, and he has vowed an apolitical Justice Department. As Axios first reported, Trump's decision to pardon Michael Flynn set the template for

a wave of pardons to friends and loyalists. One senior administration official said the practice has since expanded, with pardons being discussed like Christmas gifts. The White House pardon system doesn't entirely consist of the president's freewheeling offers. White House attorneys are working through a more traditional process, even if it doesn't cover every person that Trump has discussed. A source familiar with the process says, I'll tell you what, I want Trump to pardon almost everybody.

Nonviolent drug offenders. Yes. We need to review because people in the chat made a really, really good point when we first asked this. There could be people who are violent, who pled down, pleaded down to like lesser charges. Yes. So there could be like a murder, you know. So but nonviolent drug offenses.

Trump should just be like, give me a rubber stamp and I will just go boom, boom, boom, boom. Julian Assange, of course. I think my view on Julian Assange's pardon, 100 percent do it. My view on Edward Snowdenange's pardon 100 do it my view on edward snowden's pardon is like 55 well you know like and i can sit here and we can debate about snowden but he's his life is not in jeopardy right now he's not somebody that i spend time i don't worry like at night about edward snowden he's in a decent place like physically you know whatever and assange is

he's he's in serious i'm You know what? How do we like? I almost feel like I want I wish I could like reach out to Tucker Carlson and be like, please tell Trump to pardon Julian Assange. Like, how do we get Trump to think that not only it's my idea, it's my brilliant idea, but that it is the best way to stick it to the establishment Dems because it is. Well, it's difficult because there are some fingerprints highlighting how Donald Trump is partly responsible for putting Assange in the position that he is in now, especially with the supposed deal that everyone's talking about as well. But I say pardon Assange, pardon Snowden, pardon Ross Ulbricht.

I can mention a whole bunch of other people I say pardon because this leaves the next incoming presidency in a very peculiar spot. If I was Donald Trump right now, you have an amazing opportunity. Bring all the troops home. Declassify all the horrible government studies that they conducted on our population, the JFK files. He's been promising to release the JFK files for a very long time, and he still hasn't been able to release JFK files for over 60 years ago. He keeps getting blocked. Okay, but you have to realize at some point you're a little bit of an apologist for him. A little bit. Well, I don't think the president is as powerful as people think he is.

No, he's definitely not. And we have seen, though we've seen a resurgence of executive authority in the past two administrations more so than we should be seeing, because quite honestly, the entire authorization for use of military force shouldn't even exist. So he's still in more of a power position than I think that people know. But yet, yeah, no, he's still accountable to the same people that everyone's accountable to. But this is the argument people are making.

But then don't talk big. Then don't talk it if you can't walk it. There's been a lot of people sabotaging him. And if you look at all the leaks that come out of the White House within his right-hand person or left-hand person, it's just a slurry of weeks. The mainstream media wouldn't be as popular if it wasn't for the Trump administration. So we have to understand there is also some internal pressure that's preventing him from doing a lot of this stuff. So both could be true. But I think whatever politician it is, we always need more scrutiny.

We always need to push them. We never need to idolize them. We always need to criticize them, no matter who they are. So I agree with you on that. I think in regards to the apologist thing, I think there's so much that Trump could have done if it weren't for the machine that was blocking him at every turn. But wouldn't you say that about Obama? Wouldn't you say that about? But it's it's when you have whoever the president is seems to always be facing an uphill battle with

the other branches. And that's by design because they don't want to do anything. So so the biggest issues with Trump are he's of bad moral character for the most part. That's like the biggest complaints I guess people have. Yeah. You can disagree with some of his policy policy positions for sure but obama got us involved in new wars oh no don't please i regret that i can't even begin to tell you i am not singing praises of the establishment the establishment and mainstream media loved obama compare the treatment of how the media is absolutely i'll tell you because the media is very neolib that's just the way it is. They just are who they are.

You know, George W. Bush, I thought was awful. Barack Obama. I was super excited for voted for, and then immediately got angry and didn't vote again. And Hillary Clinton,

I laughed and I didn't want to vote for Trump because I'm like, it's all the same. And now I see Trump is he made a ton of mistakes in his first few years. He hired a bunch of really bad people. He should have fired a ton of people. And boy, did he walk face first, like sideshow Bob into a bunch of rakes with like, you know, sessions with, you know, not firing Comey soon enough and then getting special prosecutors. There's a whole bunch of things, you know, in the mix, like, you know, I want to bring

up in heavy nuance. But Trump made a ton of mistakes. He did not realize what this machine was. And I think he thought he'd be the boss. But I look at, you know, the president is constrained. It's a political game. And, you know, you've got to navigate that properly. But I think I think Donald Trump's a populist. I think I think he wants to be a populist. I think he campaigned as a populist. But I think that this he is, to me, a very good example of exactly what you were just saying, where he expected to be the boss. This is the problem when you take somebody who's a business person and just think that they're automatically going to translate into the political arena. It doesn't work.

And you can't have it my way or the highway. And as we've seen, he hasn't been able to be effective that way. But he is not the kind of person, I think, that is going to have enough self-reflection to look at that and be like, what could I do differently? Like, where could I make better choices? He's not. He's a blamer. And I'm not saying the other side doesn't do it, too, because they do.

I mean, but that's ultimately what this comes down to is he is a very big ego and very thin skin. I agree. And that's not a good position to be in as somebody in politics. And that's very easy to manipulate if you're a special power. He could have quickly pivoted and corrected a bunch of these errors very early on, and he didn't. Well, let me be clear, though,

that I hold Barack Obama accountable for a lot of these things because had he done his job, people like Gina Haspel would be in prison. And they wouldn't be able to, and Bolton. And so you have a lot of people that wouldn't have been able

to do the damage that they did afterwards. But Barack Obama, Obama, Obama, drone bomber, drone bomber, Obama, he's part of the machine. Oh, yeah. So I don't think he wanted to do. No. But again, even let's say that he did. Let's say that he said, I'm going to do that. I'm going to stand up to, you know, what is essentially the military complex, because that's what you really have to stand up to.

He can't do that any more than Trump can do that. And that's what we're looking at. We're looking at, to some extent, it's really a figurehead position and you don't have as much power as you would like, but you have just enough so that you get blamed for all your incompetence. That's the whole nature of being president. What if Trump just like literally pardoned everybody at the federal level? It would be massive whether or not it would, you know, salvage him in terms of like his name and history. I don't know. It would for me. Honestly, I'm telling you the two things that could have he if he stopped playing in the

sandbox of Saudi Arabia and or pardon Julian Assange, that would that would be huge for me. Like that would be a deal changer for me. I had been saying earlier in the year that like in January before COVID, like I wasn't going to vote for him. I don't care. Like that's not my tribe. I'm not a tribalism. But the COVID lockdown stuff has been draconian and insane.

It's been transferring. It's the biggest transfer of wealth from working class people to the elites, the establishment, to the big corporations. That's insane. And you get the establishment. What big corporations. That's insane. And it's and you get the establishment. What do you what do you call these people like, you know, I call them the Democrats, I guess. Well, see, no, no, no. I need to know exactly who you're talking about. And then I can give you the exact terminology. So like we're speaking to the people who work at The New York Times who are like, we must lock everything down. And they're all neoliberal drones. Those are

tools. I mean, those are tools. That's not... Neolib. Yeah, neolibs. But see, that's what people really need to understand. That is not the left. The Democrats are not the left. That's not the left. The Democrats at best are centrists. I think, you know, what really just confused me is why leftists were so anti-Trump when I understand you can not like Trump, but he's anti-establishment.

Yeah, again, which leftist? Like,, but he's anti-establishment. Yeah. Again, which leftist? Like, I have never been anti-Trump. Again, for me, it's all policy. It's all policy. So it's never been anything like that. And I am not the only one. There are others like me.

We're out there. The establishment doesn't like him because he offends their sensibilities. I don't care about that. I don't care who he makes fun of. I don't care what he says. I don't care he makes fun of. I don't care what he says. I don't care who he sleeps with. I don't care what his children do. I really don't.

This doesn't concern me. What concerns me is his policy. And the policies of the Republican Party do not appeal to me. That's just – they just don't. They don't have populist policies, even though he intended that. Yeah, the Republican Party I've never been a fan of. I think Trump's very different. I mean Trump supporters use a lion instead of an elephant. But I think Trump thought-

That's funny. So do the progressives. There's a lion? Yeah. In fact, our progressive caucus in Broward County, our symbol is a lion. Really? You know, I kind of wondered if Biden would actually end up being the great uniter because- By default.

Because everyone hates him. Well, he's just- Except for the Neolibs. Yeah. They are a small group. Unfortunately, they're loud and they have the media. Yeah. Other than Fox. I mean, you know, but really, other than Fox, you've got a whole bunch of neolib. Well, let's talk. Let's talk censorship in that capacity. Sure. So many of you probably heard YouTube is now going to remove

any new videos alleging Trump lost the election because of fraud. Now, CNET has fraud. But I actually spoke with YouTube and got some clarification. The general idea is YouTube has said starting today, if you claim that Trump lost the election and you have to come. So actually, let me start over. There are two criteria you have to meet in order to have your videos deleted. You must first claim that there was widespread fraud. Then you must claim it resulted in Donald Trump losing the election. You can say there's widespread fraud. You can say the election was stolen from Trump.

You can't combine these things, which is like the weirdest non-policy. Okay, but did you just do that by explaining it? Yeah, I'm curious now. Technically. No, but they could pull out a context and then be like, look, he said it. He said those words. Well, that's the thing. I mean.

Tim's the guy they want to explain it to people. Yeah, I guess they called me and they were like that. Google actually called me and said, we want to explain to you what this means. And they're probably hoping that I will then convey and you're not going to get a guideline strike. So if you say it, they'll just quietly remove the video on January 21st. They will give you a guideline strike if you claim it. And they're claiming they're like, we have a longstanding policy on historical elections

that you can't claim that fraud changed the results. Therefore, it applies to this election. And I'm like, that makes no sense. How could they have a longstanding policy? They haven't existed that long. Or not even that. Like, what am I going to do? Like, Abraham Lincoln didn't really win and like pound the table.

Like what? Yeah. What about the last election when, you know, the establishment was shilling that it was a fraud and then CNN was always put in the algorithm to be first no matter what you searched regarding the election

talking about how this was not a legitimate election. It was Russian collusion. Trump was a Russian asset and all of that was bunk. All of that was a distraction. That was my first question. All of that was crap.

I was like, can I still say that the Russians hacked the election and Hillary Clinton only lost because of Russian interference? And they're like, can I still say that the Russians hacked the election and Hillary Clinton only lost because of Russian interference? And they're like, well, no, I don't think so. And I'm like, well, I just searched it on YouTube and there's dozens of mainstream media outlets saying just that. Yeah, if they take down CNN for violating their policy, yes, it's fair. It's the right thing to do.

They did take down a senate uh rand paul speaking on the senate floor oh yeah did you know about this no rand paul so don't say his name he mentioned a name that he wasn't supposed there's a name that if i say this live stream will be taken off okay so we won't say it and there's no reason for it is there sign language it's crazy rand paul was talking about this individual okay and youtube deleted c-span the video from c-span of rand paul on the senate floor talking about what was going on. And YouTube deleted C-SPAN, the video from C-SPAN of Rand Paul on the Senate floor talking about what was going on in our government and why it was relevant. We have no bias. This is the kind of stuff that should be keeping people up at night.

And yet, you know, but like that's the whole thing. And we touched on Assange, but the censorship thing freaks me out. It's a big problem. Maybe if come, you know, we talk about these 17 states and, you know, Trump and they're suing. Maybe if it does end up being Biden as president, then Trump supporters are when the fight is not about Trump anymore, then the as you describe it, the real left, the populist left, I suppose, and populist right will be mostly in agreement about the censorship being bad.

I hope so. Look, I mean, I've always said they're trying to keep us apart. That's the whole point of what they're doing. If the populist left and the populist right or the whites and the blacks that were labor class and everybody got together and realized that it really is, there's only two groups of people. And if you're not in charge, you're in the second group. It's a big club. And you exactly it's the same club. They used to beat you over the head with. It is. And it's and it's true. So like they don't want that. They love these labels. They love the infighting. They want to have you guys having audience that hates the left. They want the left complaining about Trump and the right. And they just want everybody fighting thing yeah so yeah i mean what what do you do to get past that we do this like this i know this is it this is what we do like people say that to me all the time like what do you do for

this i'm like we're doing it but look look there's there's a bunch of uh we've had several people on the show who are i guess you call them leftists or whatever and i mean many of uh we we had destiny i know you're familiar with Destiny. He's super woke. And he was adamantly defending critical theory and things like that. And I completely disagree with that. Yeah. I think we had a good conversation. I think a lot of people don't like him because they thought that he was – what's the right word, I guess?

Disingenuous? No, no, no, no, no. Arrogant. Kind of like snooty to people. I didn't – I don't i don't you know you're talking about critical race theory like his like the thoughts on that so yeah we had we we briefly discussed critical race theory before the show started and he's very much in favor of it yeah but he says he's on the left well the left called the dsa called him a nazi recently so

you mentioned the left fighting themselves well no we eat our own we eat our own i can't you know and and and but i do believe that that's all by design because you're the people that are, say, like your establishment people, your speaker of the house type people, if you will, not mentioning any names. Right. Right. So those people that you call the left, they want us fighting. They love Trump in charge.

They like all of that. It serves their corporate donors and it keeps them from having to do anything. I call it Mick resistance. That's great. And that's what they are. And so they don't like me any more than they like him because I am an impediment to what they're doing, which is feeding their coffers. I don't want that. There are a lot of people that won't come on this show out of – you know what?

I'm not going to speculate as to what their opinions are but i think they're scared that what's the deal like you're not somebody that i think of as like a real right wing figure like what is the deal with that uh no idea you're not that scary it's crazy i'm like one of the most like lukewarmest people on in political commentary except for luke well once you once you come out supporting trump then you get marked and that's really what it is if you hadn't month two months ago yeah but that's what but that's the kind of thing that brings attention from the left i can't speak as to what what that was prior to that but that's what would draw the ire they from

the woke there was this individual who made this study and they're using it today to claim that youtube is radicalizing people too far right it's not true because it's been debunked numerous times there is there is nuance to this this argument but this woman created this report where it was a spider web of all these channels that were like interconnected yeah and then i was right in the middle that's interesting right and it's like what that's cool that means you're you're what i call a bridge i'm the this and And it was funny because someone actually wrote, I think Media Matters was like smearing me. And they said he was found to be at the center of a massive network of right-wing radicalization. And what is your mission? What are you radicalizing people to do?

Milk toast centrism. Read the news? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's what I always say. Like, so what's your motive? What are you, like people who, because that's a fear-based comment you're radicalizing like to do what like what are you i always try to pin pinpoint people get them to

really say what it is they're scared of because it's all fear okay so let's assume you are doing that okay to what end like what's your what's the end game for you that well for me no i mean like no i mean like that like but you accuse somebody of being like, okay, so, so it's, it's just this incendiary language. Right. But based on what result, like what are you worried about? They don't want people watching shows like this where we can have someone like you on right.

Rag on Hillary Clinton. Yeah. And then people are like, yeah. And the truth is the people that will be on me for that, they already hate me anyway. Once you have an open mind, once you stop toting the establishment line, you are a threat to them. Correct. And this is important to point out here because anyone who's willing to have a conversation, anyone who's willing to discuss different ideas, that's not what they want. They want regurgitators.

They want repeaters. They want good little prostitutes that will say whatever the establishment wants to say. The horse stream media is a big system that benefits off of people's ignorance. A lot of elites, a lot of powerful people make a lot of money, get a lot of power from the ignorance of other individuals. And if you fight that with open-mindedness, they will go after you like you don't know what's going on here. And going back to this topic of censorship this is important the way to progress a society the way to move us forward is through an open and honest dialogue they are denying that to us on so many different levels and for them to force this kind of idea and saying you know as there's court cases we don't still know if there

was actual fraud or not we're still finding out through the court proceedings for them to declare now we're just going to take you out is absolutely disingenuous and horrible and propels the larger bigger problem that people are pointing out to and again it affected me a couple years ago when i noticed my videos were just being deleted i remember waking up and i'm like oh there's five videos missing i don't even know which ones i wasn't even notified so frogs boiling yeah we're frogs in a pot the water temperatures so the reason why they waited till the 8th was to create some kind of cover okay safe harbor now we can justify the censorship and then you know come the 14th they'll probably do

some policy increases behind the scenes and then on january 20th they're going to start giving guideline strikes if you dare say something may have happened do you ever wonder if this has been happening all the way along like we're noticing it more now because it's so, like, controversial. Yeah, I was telling people in 2008, as soon as Google gobbled up YouTube, I'm like, watch out, guys, they're gonna suppress free speech. Because this is a power, a power

of individuals being able to talk to each other and resolve our problems, resolve our differences, and to understand we're all human, and not to be dependent on the system. That's a huge threat against against the establishment and you didn't need to see the writings on the wall to see that a threat against the powerful is something that they're slowly going to make sure doesn't exist and now they're sucking the holy life out of it as much as they can you know we started seeing is these companies that hire people to run multiple fake accounts

to attack and antagonize and you'll go on reddit and you'll see the comments and all they do is have these generic smears against the other but but i'll tell you i think there are a lot of conservatives made careers off of attacking the left yeah so both ways it's right and then they and well the left it's just a matter of they'll call names like well you're a russian troll but but then wouldn't anything by design be that goes online to cause like to wreak havoc and to, like, sway opinion be equally as? I mean, it's all the same thing.

Like, what? I mean, any group could conceivably do that to influence opinion or even have money put behind that opinion. So once you have that kind of influence, to try to police that is sort of ridiculous. You know what really annoyed me recently was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released a bunch of shirts and they're expensive. Yes. Really? She has like a fashion line? A clothing line.

Really? Like populist left shop shirts. Yeah, eat the rich for 58 bucks. So t-shirts. They're t-shirts. T-shirts and sweaters. But her response was they're made in America so they're more expensive. And she got criticized heavily by the right for making shirts that poor people couldn't afford. Well, more importantly, where does the money go?

I mean, probably to her campaign or something. Well, no. I mean, it could go to a foundation. It could go to her. It could go. Look, and that's really where it would come to to me. Like, I'm an end result person. So is she making money and giving it to people that need money?

Well, then that's a good thing. And then I really don't care because an AOC sweater is not an essential that every person should be entitled to have. So I don't really care. I just don't think it's worth talking about. No. So so like the reason I bring it up is that like, why are why are people and I'm not trying to single out conservatives for left because the left does it all the time to the right. There are people who make videos about me because they make money, but they're clearly out of context manipulations because it just generates traffic. And I wonder why it is why so many people, instead of talking about ideas and policy and – look, I got no problem talking about Ocasio-Cortez in terms of the Green New Deal and my disagreements with specific provisions and things like that.

But people love to just make e-drama, you know, this person is ugly and they sold a stupid shirt. And, well, that person is a Nazi. And that's – it's money for people. But it diminishes their credibility because it's not – these are not valid arguments. It's the same thing about the left critiquing Trump for nasty tweets. If you want to come with a criticism, it should have substance to it. So there are definitely things that one would want to criticize aoc i generally don't but um yet her selling shirts would not even it wouldn't make my list right right right there's just so much that like that that i see actually that's a big

weakness the right needs to to get past too i well the right and the left should absolutely they're a bunch of lefty youtubers and i see the stuff they produce and i see how they like they hit a wall and they can't grow their channels and i'm like bro you make videos talking about youtubers criticizing this guy for being right wing or whatever and then making fun of him make content about politicians criticize the politicians you don't like in the policies they're enacting stop wasting your time on you know e-drama stuff like that we need to actually i think everybody on youtube we might disagree on hard policy uh in many ways but i think most of the people on youtube disagree with the establishment

and and and this crony machine that has kept out actual leaders yeah how many how many like let me ask you your opinion because if you told if you asked me how many people in congress do i think um actually represent the people i'd probably say like three, maybe. How many do you think? Definitely less than 10. I don't know the exact number. I will tell you, this is interesting, though, because the Progressive Caucus has like over 100 members in it in Congress, right? And it turns out you pay to be in the Progressive Caucus. So it's like $4,000 or whatever it is. And so there is an inordinate amount of people then that I'm i'm curious that i would love to ask them so i see that you consider yourself a progressive how come you've never called medicare for all for a floor vote like where have you been on that why

are you not doing that are you i guess you're not really progressive you just paid to be called one so so the amount of actual people i mean and i could like my favorite person is katie porter i'm a katie porter fan um nobody sticks it to the the corporate criminals is the way she does but i don't know handful maybe handful of people that are legitimately representing constituents and not corporate donors i like i say zero rand paul debatable you don't like politicians you heard me describe politicians politicians are big buttockses all of them are filled with certain stuff some are filled with with less. Some are filled with more. Let's just be honest here. Even us as citizens, we're all sucking on this program where the Federal Reserve is giving us fiat currency.

We have their slave labor overseas that make our iPhones. Our chocolate comes from child slaves, human trafficking. We're in this system, and we complain about it. Some of us do, rightfully so, but we're still part of it. These clothing were built in like factories in China. Well, people are trying to change that. I mean, I think, you know, there's been a big movement, especially with Trump for Made in America. And not just Trump, too, because AOC mentioned her shirts are Made in America as well.

Which brings us to the TPP. Oh, yeah. And the multinational corporation takeover of the world, which leads in perfectly to our next article. Well, you want to talk about Pope Francis? Yes. Yes, I've been done. All right. Are you going to say mean things about the Pope?

Me? No. No. He might. There's a lot of mean things to say, but let's stay away from that. And let's just let's just consider how low the bar is. Exactly. Let's stay true to the observations and to the evidence provided before us and then let the people decide themselves what they want to think.

That's been my kind of protocol. My understanding is that Pope Francis is a pretty cool dude. He chose the name Francis, which was really exciting to me. I'm a fan. It's funny. I'm a Jew.

I'm not really a practicing Jew, but I've always affiliated amongst Catholics. I don't know. I went to a Catholic law school. I worked at a Catholic hospital and I love St. Francis and I actually have

a St. Francis in my house. It took me forever to find one without a cross on it. I worked at St. Francis Hospital. Did you? I was in indianapolis i worked at the saint francis hospital so like i've always liked saint francis and he is the first pope to pick that name wow and i think that's really interesting and it's very humbling of name i don't like him he's just uh he's just joined the great reset movement i hear quartz reports pope francis is backing a new movement to redefine capitalism as a force for good. First of all, I think, depending on your definition of capitalism, in the traditional sense,

it's been a force for good. I certainly think there's an issue with major corporations extracting value and providing nothing in return. But I think, you know, capitalism as a system has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else. I think it's interesting the way they're framing it. Well, let's read. Court says capitalism has been condemned for many of the world's evils from massive income inequality to climate change. But self-interest wasn't the core idea of the economic system first codified by Adam Smith in the 18th century.

Avarice became coupled with capitalism in the 1980s, fueled largely by Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman's theory that the singular goal of business is to maximize profits for shareholders. In short, it was the argument that greed is good. Now a new global alliance with Pope Francis as its moral leader is pushing to rescue the heart of capitalism and reorient it as a force for social good.

The founding members of the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican comprises large corporations like Bank of America, BP, Estee Lauder, EY, Johnson & Johnson, MasterCard, Merck, Salesforce, and Visa. It also includes grant-giving bodies like the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, government bodies, and the International Trade Union Confederation, the world's largest workers' rights unions. Yes, I'm sorry, the world's largest workers' rights unions. Yes. I'm sorry. The world's largest workers' rights group.

Yes, because nothing says capitalism is a force for good than massive multinational unaccountable corporations that exploit people for personal gain. And big banks and big pharma that are part of this coalition, which is being all organized by Lynn Forrester D. Rothschild, that's bringing this coalition together to redefine capitalism, as, of course, all these same institutional powers are talking about a global reset and redefining capitalism. And again, we have to understand these individuals, these corporations, they don't operate under the capitalistic system. They operate under the socialistic system since they get government handouts and welfare more than anyone else imaginable.

And they're the ones that are partly responsible for all the pain and suffering that is being system since they get government handouts and welfare more than anyone else imaginable. And they're the ones that are partly responsible for all the pain and suffering that is being caused. So believing that these individuals are going to fix the problem that they were causing is absolutely not even pathetic. You sound so left. Are you left? I told you. I identify with Ron Swanson more than anyone else.

Do you know who Ron Swanson is? Isn't that from a show? Isn't that from the movie? Yes. Parks and Recs. The guy who doesn't like government right and i do need to acknowledge that that we have to look at everything fairly and honestly and when we look at these individuals grandstanding talking about capitalism is bad we have to understand we're not operating under capitalism we're on we're operating under socialism for the super rich and then quasi-crony capitalism that doesn't even exist

because of that for everyone else. We look at this largest transfer of wealth. We look at all the pain and suffering. It's all under the fingerprints of this quasi-fake system that manipulates, lies to us, and takes advantage of us in so many different ways. It's socialism for me and capitalism for thee. That sounds so left. Not even.

You really sound left. Yes's not even. Not even. You really sound left. Yes, I know. I do. That's like, you know. But the modern left is pro-corporate. I should say, with respect to you and what you view as left, the Democratic establishment is extremely pro-corporate. Yes.

And there are a lot of what is colloquially described as like personalities who are in line with the Democratic Party and Joe Biden. And I and I am here to tell you they're not really left. They would say they're left just like a member of Congress can pay to be in the progressive caucus. That doesn't make it so I could pay to be in the black caucus. You know, it doesn't make me black. This is hilarious that some of the worst offenders in terms of exploitation and manipulation are claiming they're going to make capitalism a force for good when they're the ones who actually ruined it. When capitalism was at its root, free trade between individuals is great. When capitalism became large corporations that extract value from the working class and give very little in return, that became the problem. And I'm not talking about, for everyone who's listening, CEOs who are high paid and maybe managing companies. I'm talking about people who just sit like in

Miami in a skyscraper and just check their bank because they get profits from the company. They're not adding things. They're not managing anything. So there's serious challenges. This is where like my left comes out in the difference between the modern structure of this corporate, I guess you call it corporatist. Is it corporatism? It is corporat, I guess you call it corporatist. Is it corporatism? Yeah, it's corporatism. Where they have such control over the system with lobbying that smaller businesses can't compete.

They can crush you. Starbucks can open two Starbucks locations next to your small business and just wipe you out. Yeah. And then that prevents any real competition, any real free market. You don't get it if you have massive corporations strangling everybody. That's why I've always been in favor of a mixed economy. They pay a lot of money for that, right?

The head of Starbucks pays a lot of money to be able to do what they do. Yeah. Before we get into that, if you keep reading the article, these people talk to you like you're little children because what you see them exemplify is just simple language. Like, we're going to help the poor. Everyone's going to be equal. We're going to support black and African-American businesses, and we're going to fight global warming.

And if you look at these individuals, a lot of them are directly responsible for causing the problems that they allegedly want more power, more responsibility for them to fix. Like Joe Biden. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy and insane. They're all part of this. And now the Pope to rubber stamp this and join this global coalition of good guys and superheroes is absolutely just mind boggling and should be worrying to a lot of people out there. When YouTube announced that they will censor people who challenge the election and say there's fraud, Will Chamberlain, we had him on the show he tweeted tell me why national why uh why he basically said i'll paraphrase because i don't have the exact quote that nationalizing these big tech companies is better than letting him just do what they do and manipulate everything well i i have no problem with that and a lot of these and especially when you were talking about the communications

um companies and that would help a lot with what we were talking about in terms of you know your first amendment rights well this is the frustrating part here because a lot of these big monopolies wouldn't be where they are without government, without public assistance, without tax cuts, without working with the DOD, the Pentagon, especially when you look at institutions like Google, when you look at the startup foundations that are connected to the CIA that have their direct fingerprints on all the big tech monopolies that are in power now. And when you look at Amazon, Google, and all these other monoliths, they are working one-on-one with government right now. Whether it's Amazon giving all the chairs and all the little pens for the Pentagon or the military or Google. Yeah, I mean, Amazon stocks. This is a Jeff Bezos problem yeah this goes to that i mean he's getting ready to just own our water sources and just basically oh did you see that news where like water is going to be added as a commodity there's going to be water wars soon and not many

people realize that scary he's threatening i i find him to be very threatening i mean and also symbolic of the greater threat isn't it isn't it easier just to say that the real battle is like uh establishment versus anti-establishment or liberty versus authority we call it corporate versus non-corporate and really it's just but but government plays a role in this too yeah well it is but your government representative is either on the payroll or not on the payroll so when you look at it in a in the micro level like who who is your person representing if they're taking corporate money they're representing corporations.

I think, you know, in a simple definition, corporations are a good thing. And I think in a simple definition, government is a good thing. But what we have are giant, authoritarian, monopolistic government and corporations. We need publicly financed elections. There are certain things that we could do. It's hard, though. It's really difficult to get, you know. Well, you would have to get enough people in there that aren't on the corporate payroll that would then support that.

So we're chipping away at it, basically, is what we're trying to do. But you get enough people in there that aren't corporate, they'd be willing to do that. So, I mean, that's the goal. I just say put them in NASCAR suits and let them represent all the corporations that they represent. Absolutely. Same with doctors. Doctors as well need to point out the corporations that they get money from so people know who

they're doing business with. We're not even allowed to say it in a lot of cases. When you start bringing up stuff like where they get their money from, you're smearing them. You're not being part of the team, especially if it's a Democrat calling out another Democrat's corporate donors. Well, Eric Swalwell wants to launch an investigation against Axios because they're the ones that wrote the story about his little, what would you say honeypot um yes his uh his infiltration that occurred between him

and uh this lady that infiltrated many elements of government in more ways than one lady friend yes it's a special lady friend well did you hear about the story about the the spy that i told you i don't but you know what the circus is really losing i stick much more with like topics and issues yeah yeah well it is fascinating to see china's influence especially over our political system and especially with how they've been able to get all of our secrets and also manipulate uh you know the politicians like joe biden very easily check out check out this story eric swalwell refuses to admit wrongdoing over top secret friendship with chinese spy fang fang and demands probe into who leaked the story as he refuses to say if he slept with her and she's

still facebook friends with his dad and brother so a chinese honey trap spy had been organizing a fundraiser for this guy and the fact fact that he would call for the journalists to get investigated. Well, isn't this a matter of national security? This is the man who is a part of the House Intelligence Committee. He has unrestricted access to classified information. And this spy was with him before the start of his major political career. She helped him fundraise. She helped him get support in the Asian community. And many people say Eric Swalwell wouldn't be in power if it wasn't for this spy. This spy...

He should resign. Yes, immediately resign. I mean, there's no even talking about this. But when you look at Eric Swalwell, when you look at his major points, he was a bastion, a favorite of the mainstream media to go up against Trump. And many times he regurgitated a lot of Beijing pro-communist government talking points that you saw him say and you saw the Chinese government say at the same time, whether it was keeping the borders open to China during the coronavirus scandal, whether it was going against Trump because of alleged Russian collusion, whether it was even going against North Korea. All of the talking points by Eric Swalwell on the mainstream media, almost perfect carbon copies of Chinese communist talking points, which does make you think, especially since now we're finding out that a Chinese spy helped him to get into power. And it's not just him.

I mean, Dianne Feinstein had a – do you know about that one? She had a Chinese spy working for her. No, it doesn't surprise me. And again, she is one of those people that I don't claim. So we don't claim her. Well, that's why I think, as I mentioned before, like the real fight is, it's almost, you know, everyone always says the real fight is this group versus that group. But I think it's liberty versus authority.

Because if you're in favor of freedoms and liberty, you're going to oppose censorship. We're going to get along. You're going to oppose the corporatist structure and the crony government structures by definition authority would be a form of corporatism because you're bowing to people who are paying your paycheck and to your point about saying that you're on the left luke's on the left tim's on the left because they support the idea of like restricting the corporate powers yeah i think that's very much a right-wing idea because if you really care about a free market, you really care about corporate America backing off. Well, right.

Thank you. You would be lack of government interference. You would be small government. But I think we've safely seen that both sides are no longer what they're supposed to be. It's very blurred. I mean, who's where? It's not left or right. It's if you're paying attention or if you're not paying attention yeah it's if you're with the corporate globalist establishment or if you're

with the individual if you're for freedom if you're liberty if you're for the one individual to be able to live their lives freely without anyone putting their thumb over them that to me is the do you like the constitution i love the constitution you see that's that's the big thing yeah the the the authorities the establishment the corporations the governments wonderful i know it's fascinating right i know i love it when i love when people start saying something like well i've read it so i'm quite familiar but no i take that very seriously i wouldn't swear over a bible but i'd swear over the constitution they oh yeah absolutely me too they they have uh i say they but like these big corporate interests these authoritarian these uh despotic government

officials have tried so hard to crush the working class. And the Constitution has been our saving grace right now with the lockdowns, with what's happening. First thing I want to say, just to keep in kind of line, we're talking about the Chinese spies and stuff. Why isn't China under a lockdown? What's going on? How come we're seeing these big resurgences in Europe and the US, but nothing in China?

I don't know. I find it all very... Look, I've had a lot of questions about this whole thing from the beginning. Like, I am not a COVID denier. I am a complete denier of our ability to contain it and control it. So to me, I'm also a Darwinist. Let me be... I mean, it's sad.

I'm not denying that it's happening and i'm doing everything i can to be that doesn't sound very leftist i'm doing no but i also told you when it comes to things like civil liberties i'm very libertarian um i i also believe that there's a lot of personal accountability so i'm going to do everything i can to be respectful of other people and wear my mask and not you know just so that other people i don't want to be get someone else sick like i don't want to do that but i generally don't believe in um squishing our civil liberties you know i thought of something really funny earlier like a good idea for a skit where it's a guy who's wearing a mask but no shirt and he goes into a store and they're like you got to get out of here

and he's like what you can't make me wear a shirt you're all under you're being controlled man you're being it's like you know that my response is i'm not i i you know i don't care about masks it's like they put up a sign saying no shirt no shoes no service and they added masks to it and i'm kind of like i roll my eyes i mean it kind of sucks and i don't like wearing it but you know what that that's not a sword i'm willing to die on yeah i don't it doesn't it doesn't matter so i i forgot exactly where i was going with everything but i i was going to say that the lockdown has been this massive transfer of wealth in more ways than just shutting down small businesses

and keeping open big corporations. The vaccine itself is a massive transfer of wealth, guaranteed contracts to big pharmaceutical companies. And then they tell them straight up, get the vaccine as fast as possible. There's no liability for you. They're exempt. And then you'll get a guaranteed $2 billion sale. So that's our tax money. I won't take it. You won't. No. You want to know why I won't? Because they were warned. The UK just warned people not to take it if you

have allergies. So you actually, yeah, it's been advised against that. In Russia, they're telling people if you do take the vaccine, you can't drink for two months. Oh, I like the word in Russia. That's interesting. And so why aren't we hearing about that here? I mean, not that we have the same level. Well, there's a lot of different side effects. And when you look at the list of possible side effects that you could get from this vaccine, there are a little bit worrisome, to say the least. Well, let's make sure we're in line with the acceptable news guard.

Okay. NPR reports UK regulators tell people with the acceptable news guard okay the npr reports uk regulators tell people with severe allergies not to get the vaccine i don't think uh i'm actually concerned they said severe allergies because in the trials it was reported in this warning about one in uh 0.685 percent of people had an anaphylactic reaction so do you guys know what that is yeah your face and eyes swell up, your throat closes. And when they were giving the first run through the first release to healthcare workers in the UK, two of the nurses had an anaphylactic reaction.

And fortunately, they were in a hospital with EpiPens nearby, epinephrine. So you've got minutes. I mean, you're going to asphyxiate. So they jab you with the EpiPen. It's like an adrenaline analog. And then you come back out of it. Very Pulp Fiction. Yes, very Pulp Fiction.

They issued a warning saying that the vaccine can only be administered in places that have resuscitation capacity. That's not a selling point. No, no, no, no. Now, the first thing I'll say is take your advice from your doctor. This is – you know what's really funny? I tweeted this out very bland i said uh you know 0.685 percent of people had an anaphylactic reaction uk doctors are advising people with allergies to avoid the vaccine and then i had a bunch of people calling

me an anti-vaxxer you're an anti-vaxxer i'm like you're an anti-vaxxer i'm i'm pro-government in this position right the government has said this what are you nuts yeah you run the risk of it's it's crazy you could get banned for saying this stuff and i'm reading npr they're warning us about this biden just tweeted out that he wants 100 million vaccines yeah well that's the one thing during the presidential debates that biden and trump were all on page of they argued about everything except for the vaccine and how what how much we need it how quickly we need to get it out there to everyone and when you look the vaccine, we have to understand which one we're talking about, because there's many different ones out there. There's many different big pharma companies out there.

There's Pfizer. That's the one specifically with the allergies. Yes, it's the Pfizer vaccine. The Russian one is a completely different vaccine that's out there. But we have to understand a lot of these companies are rushing to be the first to market. That's a very important economic turn for companies that want to make a lot of money. And when you have that and you have no liability, no recourse to get punished if you do something very wrong.

What could go wrong? Exactly. Especially from big pharma that absolutely, I mean, you could say good things and positive things about them, but they do have a bad record sometimes when we look at- No, I'm not saying anything positive about them. Well, it depends. There are some people that say that big pharma saved their lives, but...

With our tax dollars. Well, a lot of the medicine, especially now that's being used to treat COVID-19 patients was subsidized by the taxpayer, and now it's being sold at the highest bidder for thousands of dollars at the hospitals, which is absolutely ridiculous. That's how all of it happens. Meanwhile, when there's doctors, there was a pathologist on YouTube. His name's Chris Martinson. He just released a video talking about alternative solutions that there are scientific studies behind that might actually work that have been promising.

His video gets censored. His video gets taken down. It was fully deleted on YouTube. Well, look, one of the craziest things was Breitbart getting censored his video gets taken down it was fully deleted on youtube yeah well look look at the one of the craziest things was uh breitbart getting censored on facebook and you know i i made the joke about newsguard because uh are you familiar with newsguard i reference them quite a bit they're a they're a microsoft they're microsoft funded right i have no idea it's this this they they give a rating to news outlets says like green check mark right exclamation point as a safeguard and check on my bias i you, you know, the sources I use are always NewsGuard

certified, even though I'm critical of NewsGuard in many ways. I think it's it's fair to be like, OK, it's a baseline. Yeah. You know, I could be biased and just read Breitbart. But what happened was Breitbart was actually certified and approved until they filmed a press conference from a pilot from it was a Republican congressman and a bunch of doctors. That's all they did. They filmed it.

They live streamed it on their Facebook page. It got deleted. And then they got accused of publishing fake news because they filmed a press conference. Yeah. Imagine if imagine if you're doing a press conference with Joe Biden and Joe Biden said Trinan on a shot, but a pressure. They're going to come after my news organization because Joe Biden said something. Right.

That's crazy. That's that's that's the level of censorship we're at when it comes to COVID. Now, look, I think I'm reasonable. There's concerns that misinformation could result in people dying. But I think it's kind of crazy that the view of communications technology is that it's, you know, that they can review what you say before you can say it to someone else. Whereas it's been precedent for the most of my life. I could call you on the phone and say whatever I want. Well, I can't.

Yeah, right. I couldn't call you and threaten I was going to kill you or anything like that. Right. But I could call you and be like, hey, did you hear about this vaccine? They're saying if you have an allergy, don't take it. Now, now what? Are they going to are they going to come out and say, oh, we're going to ban you? Because what concerns me is that they're going to come out and make people take it.

And that that already is going to start to happen my husband's a physician and he's going to be forced to take it in order to maintain privileges at the hospital yeah it depends on the state level illinois said that they won't be doing that but new york is pushing through legislation on the state level that would make it mandatory and and now what you're you're talking about legal right it doesn't matter what's legal if if the hospital board gets together and decides that they're going to force all their physicians, correct. And so that's how this is done. It doesn't need to be a law. And this is going to be a mandatory thing. And then we have big corporations like Qantas coming out and saying, well, if you want to fly,

you're going to have to have the certificate and the government is going to be providing certificates for individuals that take it. We're going to get to where we have to show our papers. Show your paper. Show your vaccination papers. That's what they're doing in France already. So listen, listen, listen. I'm going to get to where we have to show our papers. Show your papers. Show your vaccination papers. That's what they're doing in France already. So listen, listen, listen. I'm going to issue an on-air correction. A couple nights ago, was it last week, I said, everything's going to be fine. We had a good argument. I'm issuing a correction.

I said, nothing's going to happen. They're going to give people the vaccine. Could you imagine widespread? I just don't see it happening. We've done things like this. And now here I am sitting here reading a story saying that out of 20, I think it was 20,000 people, 137 had anaphylactic reactions. That's serious. A lot. Yeah. Like, look, I have certain allergies. I will keep a secret. And I've had to be rushed to the hospital because of potential anaphylactic reactions to allergies.

And that's very, very scary. Like there are people who are allergic to peanuts or shrimp. You'll die. Like you will. The reason they don't do peanuts on planes anymore is because the peanut dust could get in the air and someone could breathe it and just die. You're not allowed to have peanut butter in schools anymore

because of that. That's crazy. Now they're telling me that 0.685% of people, that's more than the fatality rate of COVID. I told you so. You're not allowed to say that. They're going to take this video off. No, but I'm reading The Guardian right here.

They say people with a history of significant allergic reactions should not receive the COVID vaccine, the medicine's regulator said. That's not my opinion. That's the health experts right now of the NHS in the UK saying saying this and i am in agreement with them because they're the experts just last week i was like i think everything's gonna be fine they're gonna put it you know they're gonna make a bunch of money off it now here i am saying like i'm reading the guardian i was wrong well that is they're warning me a lot of money off oh definitely that is definitely guaranteed billions to big pharma well that's the whole point of this and that's why this is something that biden and trump agree on again all roads lead to the same financial donors.

It doesn't matter. Yeah, but I think Trump's motivation is he wants to look good for the press. Well, I think he has that on everything because the man is one giant ego. But I think in terms of policy that we're going to see, it's going to be whatever creates the most money for the corporations. That's how this is going to work. They are extracting wealth. They're extracting it and they're giving it to the rich are going to be just fine.

I don't know about the press argument, because you would think after four years, after being bombarded by the press, them only complimenting him when he was a warmongerer, that it wouldn't matter to Trump. But maybe it does. But he is still,

he's trying to maintain some kind of, the biggest popular support as he can. And I'm sure his internal polls show him that people are scared of COVID. And so he's trying to say, we're going to get the vaccine to you. It'll make him. Well, if you look at the polls right now, a lot of people are skeptical of the vaccine. Half of the FDNY, New York City's fire department said that they won't be taking it.

Yeah. So, well, let's see if they're allowed to do that. Yeah. Joe, wasn't it Joe Biden and Kamala Harris? Yeah. Who questioned the vaccine? Yes. I'm like, all right.

Like, that was it for me. Yeah, but they'll switch sides in a heartbeat as long as they're told to do so. Yeah, what did their master say? He was like, I'm not going to take that. No, not until, you know, it's independently certified. And then Trump was like, then New York doesn't get it. And I'm, you know, okay. Well, I'll tell you this.

First of all, none of us in this room are going to be allowed to get it. We are all not within the first, like, nine waves, i don't want it well there you go so it doesn't matter to me that's a club i don't want to be in yeah i can't get but what happens when you know we saw from ticket master that they're going to put the vaccine thing on the ticket you want to go to you want to go to a you know australia yeah no you want to go to a concert they're going to be like is your and i actually really miss concerts that's one of the things i miss the most with all of this but but um yeah and i do think they're gonna do stuff it's gonna be funny when the resistance is not gonna be against like some necessarily like some political

figure but it's gonna be people who are just going to the movies and like having concerts it's like the nightmare dystopia is that people are gonna be at a rave in the middle of the woods and the police are gonna storm in and be, you're in violation of quarantine law. Well, there's that. But I also then even can take it a step further and be like, OK, what else is in this vaccine? Are we all getting microchipped? Like, I don't know about that. No, but it's how far are we from that kind of thing?

You know where we talk about? We're not that far from it. Right. So technologically and I'm not this is not something that I think the COVID vaccine is tracking. You're already microchipped. Well, I trust me me if i if i didn't have kids i wouldn't have a phone but that that's that that's the thing too it's like a lot of people assumed that i remember like you know 10 or no it's like 20 years ago 15 years ago the very chip remember very chip yeah they're gonna put the the rfid chip in your thing yeah and then people thought

it would track you it's like the range on that is so microscopic but you literally have a cell phone everybody has a phone yeah they know where you are you know at all times well not even facebook knows you go when you go to the bathroom yeah like we have a recurring joke about they do yeah well if your bathroom is in a different location like if you have to move no no they know you'll go to the bathroom before you even know it so what people don't realize is that facebook knows so much about you that the ai they have can say things like they last eight eight hours ago because they went from one location to a location in proximity to a lot of food you know food court or a bunch of restaurants they've been they went from their primary residence to a work location and now it's about 11 o'clock they have a profile of you and

they're going to be like in the next 20 minutes this person will go to the bathroom you don't even realize it yet you're gonna be like time to go to the bathroom like the social dilemma did you see that on netflix that's what i did not yet that's basically the premise yeah but again you mentioned a good point we don't need microchips look at what china's doing with their facial recognition i mean let's pull up the article i sent you guys because we're finding out that huawei tested artificial intelligence software that could recognize people if they were Uyghur minorities and then immediately called the police on them.

I mean, there's... Look at this. We have it from the Washington Post. They have a face scanning system. Is that how you say that? Uyghur? Huawei. Huawei tested AI software

that could recognize Uyghur minorities and alert police. Amazing. For those that don't know, China is currently operating concentration camps with one million Uyghur Muslims detained. The Chinese government is using them as cheap labor and

harvesting their organs. Being able to use facial recognition to identify them is beyond what we have. In all the nightmare dystopia movies we have, people put their hoods up and they run and they hide and they see the cop go by and they like duck their head. Guess what? In this world, there's going to be cameras everywhere.

Yeah. And there's going to know where you are. And this is the same country influencing our politicians. This is the same country. Bragging that Joe Biden is compromised. Financing the sons of politicians, sending out spies that help politicians get elected here named Fang Fang that are chinese professional geisha honeypots i mean for i mean they're talking about microwave and weapons gene splicing super soldiers i mean we're in a predicament here that that's really major and there's another empire yeah but we are the see

i think they what makes them different from so you know you're looking at it from from the standpoint of their boundaries, right? So that's a country and they're acting as a sovereign and they're doing – No, no, no. They have international – No, but what I'm saying is that it could just as well be anywhere. What we're looking at is the power people that are in charge, the people that are controlling, let's say, the technology, that are controlling all the corporate resources, right? They don't really know nationality, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what I'm saying. So to me, I don't care if my oligarchs are Chinese, Russian, or American. It doesn't matter to me. This is a really important point. As we just noted with the Pope story, it's operating a lot in China,

but the interests are these massive corporations and everybody. That's what I'm saying. And what concerns me when you talk about it in terms of the Chinese. Are we turning into Alex Jones jones show well no no but when you say but when you say things like the chinese it it almost puts like a blame on that it's china and and i it's sort of like when trump calls it the china virus right it's kung flu to be correct here but but i think that's that it almost gives this perception of that it really has to do

with their nation. And I don't think that. I think it's bigger than that. Well, the people, and I think, I don't know if it was you who clarified this, but it's the Chinese

Communist Party. Yeah, okay. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I think that is the thing. And when you say China, I think a lot of people

just think, oh, it's Chinese. No. And I, and, well, people. Well, when you look at the Uyghur Muslim concentration camps, there's even reports that many companies like Nike and Apple benefit off of that human slave labor.

Remember when Mulan, was it Mulan where the Disney Plus did the movie and they thanked this paramilitary group that is enslaving people? Yes. That is in charge of watching the Uyghur Muslims. Well, I call those, I call them iSlaves. Aren't they called iSlaves, the people that make the iPhones? And they have the suicide nets outside of the factories.

They have suicide nets and well, you know, they move their factory. Their factory used to be in the city and then enough people were protesting it and not liking it

so then they moved out into like the middle of nowhere, China and there's a compound and that's where the iSlaves are. Yeah, yeah. Man.

It's a creepy world we live in. But you know what the crazy thing is? We all are sitting here basking in the benefits of this horrifying slave labor out of these camps and these factories. But it happens here. We just call it prison. Oh, definitely. Yeah.

Remember when Kanye said something about repealing the 13th Amendment? Do you remember that? I don't listen to Kanye. Well, so let me make sure let me try to avoid kanye let me make sure i have uh you know i think he's disturbed and i also am not into celebrities that are rich being famous and famous i understand your point no no no kanye is the greatest musician of this or any generation that's why i'm kidding no i know he's good i think he makes some good whatever i stay in your lane so so but no, I bring this up because he tweeted that we should abolish the 13th and everyone started going nuts.

And what he meant was, though, the 13th Amendment allows slavery if you're convicted of a crime. So Kamala Harris, she kept people in past their their terms to use them as cheap labor, but not just that to fight fires. You're going to risk your life for a dollar an hour, and we're not letting you leave because we want you to be our front line. They technically give them shortened time. But they were supposed to be already out. Yeah. Well, it's just crazy.

And it's obviously, it's slavery. This is slavery. And no, and he's right. The 13th Amendment does that. That is the one thing. That clause is what has allowed our corrections institutions to run away with what it has. Like that clause has been that. But I mean, obviously abolishing the 13th Amendment would not be a good idea.

Otherwise. Get rid of that prison provision. But no, it's true. And that has allowed this to go on for as long as it has. We need prison reform. We in this country, we treat prison like an opportunity for big business. And that's because of the 13th Amendment. It's profit motive we need to not have a profit it's because of too much government and too much laws and too many bureaucrats just making things up to satisfy their

their imaginable public meanwhile they're working for the corporation so you know that's the problem i i remember like growing up the the right was very much like the government is a problem the corporations are fine and the left was like the corporations are the problem the government is a problem the corporations are fine and the left was like the corporations are the problem the government is fine and it's kind of like you know it's bad people exploiting any kind of structured system and they're doing a revolving door between each other to make money and exploit us yep yeah the lobbies you can you can a corporation look you can have a small business as a corporation yeah and you can have a government of a small town of 2,000 people and everyone's very happy now when we say corporate we're talking the big people. Exactly.

Okay. I mean, yes, technically, my little Gen Corp is a corporation. We're not exploiting the people, right? So no, we're talking about the big ones. And when we say government, we mean the revolving door policies of the military industrial complex and big business. The prison industrial complex, the big pharma industrial complex, we could keep going. But I do think there's a big agenda to keep people divided, keep people fighting each other. That's why there's a meme of libertarians beating up other

libertarians and laughing at each other. And even though me and you disagree, I got micro-triggered when you say collectivism. I'm sorry. I'm messing with you. I'm joking. I'm being facetious. Okay, because I couldn't clarify what I mean. No, no, no. I'm being very facetious. Because I'm not a communist. I know. I'm being very facetious. I always believe in decentralization, but I believe it's more productive if we could actually sit down and listen to each other and learn from each other rather than just try to win an internet argument and try to be better than each other.

And that's why, you know, I thank you for coming here and talking to us because I think it's important to reach out to all the disenfranchised people and say, Hey man, enough is enough. Let's all come together and look at the wrongdoings and evils. We have a lot more that we agree on that we don't.

Exactly. We do. And there's a big illusion to make us not understand that. Yeah. So we were talking about Watchmen a couple times in the past few episodes. Are you familiar with the graphic novel or the movie? Okay, I'm married. I was the original Penny.

You know Penny from Big Bang Theory? No. You've never watched the Big Bang Theory? I don't like Big Bang Theory. Okay, well, it's cheesy, but she's like this one girl that's always in the comic book store and the guy, right. And so when I started dating my husband,

he collects comics. Like, he's obsessed with comics. So I was one of those girls that would walk into the comic book store and all the guys were like, what is she doing in there? You know, like the crazy. So no, I'm very familiar

with The Watchmen. The movie was horrible, though. Can I say that? I like the movie. Oh, no. The graphic novel is like a masterpiece. With the exception of, what was it, Billy Kudrow naked i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that the director's cut they showed all okay see now that made it worthwhile but no i mean i just didn't

so but you know like they created uh in the graphic novel the alien and fake alien invasion yeah joe biden could be that alien invasion you're assuming that there's a there there you're assuming that it's there's something in You're assuming that there's something in there. Of Joe Biden? Well, yeah. That's what I mean. He's literally like a mannequin. He's a scare populist.

Did you see the little video Weekend at Biden's? Have you seen this thing? Yes, I did. It was beautiful. It was amazing. No, no, no. But he's a scare populist. They strung him up on a little post. And all the left and the right populists are going, ah, like looking at him, you know, like he's bad.

Maybe this will be something that unites. Are you saying you think Biden's the great unifier? Yeah, that's what I – well, I mean, jokingly, whether he realizes it or not. By default. He's the hapless. He is. And I think he's crooked. But also – Okay, but I think they're all crooked. Yeah. I do. I mean, this is – and that's the he's the hapless and uh i think he's crooked but okay but i think they're all crooked

yeah i do i mean you this is and that's the thing when you want to sit there and talk about like hunter biden and all that please don't get started on like trump's family and trump's kids it's like you're talking about an entire group of people that by definition are filthy to be where they are and we're not in that group so it's kind of like that's just splitting hairs. I think Joe Biden is just like almost nothing. Yeah. You know, like. Yeah, it's a shell. But he's a vapid shell.

He's there. And the regular people who are, you know, paying attention, starting to wake up and get active to these exploitation, they see him standing there in the window of the White House just on his post, you know, not really doing anything. And they go like, ah, like something's wrong here. Like we got to do something it's it's getting people active so i think you know it's interesting how aside from the weird woke left i guess the and and they're often in alignment with establishment the media corporations they think they're the resistance or whatever the the i don't know i

don't know what you call the non-woke left but there's like anti-war progressives they get censored all the time and they're very much i'm the non-woke left, but there's like anti-war progressives. They get censored all the time. And they're very much. I'm the non-woke left. But like the Trump supporters hate war. There was a I think it's the American campaign on that against war. Yeah, yeah, I know. And so now Trump is like, I think one of the reasons he really wants to pull the troops out of Afghanistan is because he wants to get as much support from regular people as

possible who hate war. So he's like, I'm going to make it happen. But everybody hates war. Like Luke was saying earlier in the show, every president has campaigned on it because it's popular. People hate it. It's a waste of our energy. I always say this.

Why are we allocating so much money to any kind of foreign excursion or intervention when that money could be allocated to Flint fixing the pipes? That's not a priority. It's the craziest thing. Because that doesn't financially benefit the people in charge. The military does. Building roads and creating economic opportunity in these other countries that make money for big corporations and internationalists is good. Making sure that American citizens are benefiting from our community, which guarantees them clean water and not getting Legionnaire's disease.

Well, that they don't care about. But that's have to talk about the collective then when we talk about clean water we have to talk about what's in the best interest of the collective community well that's what i mean when i say collective well right you come together as a society to have certain benefits right i think we need to come together as disenfranchised people and then after that if we are successful you go on and do your thing how you want to do it in your place. I'll do it in my place. But that's already benefiting from the collective. And we could have a decentralization and we could have a commune that does it in a communistic way.

And we could have a capitalistic utopia that does it their own way. Just like that video game that we talked about a couple days ago. Did Ron Paul say this? It was a quote where he said that in this system, you're free to create your own socialist community. Yes. Yeah. Ch chas you know oh yeah well so i put it this way the reason why i i really liked ron paul um there were a lot of you know core issues relating to like religion and stuff i didn't agree with but i remember when i was younger i thought about it i was like if he had his way and he created his you know

libertarian type society i could have my more left-leaning community with no one bothering us yeah you know we can go do our thing unless your community's poisoning earth's water and destroying the air no but we were we were the hippies like i worked for greenpeace we're the people who are mad about that and so we were like we wanted to have our space that would protect and isolate and you know like isolate in a sense where it's like don't come here don't mess with our you know our clean water and air this is our but you can have that in a more libertarian society well the libertarian idea is mainly let be and and be as you want and as long as you're not forcing other under individuals under the threat of violence that to do something we're okay but you know i always i always come to that problem of like i've had

conversations with right anarchists or whatever what happens if i've got a stream for my community and then a mile downstream some dude starts pooping in it you know yeah that's like causing sickness and illness to my to my well you need to know if they have if they subscribe to the common law flow of water if they've got what's called riparian rights and it depends on where you live on the river and you buy water can you own it um you can depend certain states have what's called riparian rights which means that the person at the source is basically in charge of what happens to what goes downstream right but then some states have it where you are in charge of what the water is behind your own property so

there's it depends on the state it's state law it's in my benefit to work out my problems with my neighbors accordingly and in a peaceful manner and it's way i'd rather have that problem than have the military industrial complex creating the worst humanitarian crisis in yemen right now i agree so if you have a choice right now yeah i'll argue with my neighbor about where to poop sure i'll do that gladly any day if it doesn't mean bombing the crap out of innocent people what happens to the guys like i'll poop wherever i want well there's different ways of of defending yourself and dealing with those problems and situations. But obviously, being a sovereign individual, you would...

I would go one mile upstream from him and start pooping in his water. Well, and that's ultimately the problem with this kind of law. Yeah, right. Is that there's no end. It's like leapfrog. Like, you just keep moving up and it's... That's why we need collectivism, ultimately. I disagree.

No, no, no. Dude, if you just let people go so the fellow hippie with no laws and they can go pollute the air at will you got to clarify that though you just go like you said you're joking but you go over there with your gun and you got to deal with it somehow but you got you got to clarify deal with you somehow you got to clarify what collectivism is because what happens if two collectives start shooting at each other you got war they're not being collective together they're not. When we speak of the collective, I'm talking about whatever it is that substance that we're all paying taxes to. That's the collective. One of the biggest arguments against anarchism or libertarianism is that a bunch of crazy warmongers are going to take over. Well, look what happens now.

Look at the system that we have now. So I would think there would be less harm So I would think there would be less harm. I would think there would be less problems once we decentralize power and we don't have psychopaths with nuclear weapons that essentially start wars for profit. But who's to say that the decentralized communities wouldn't build nuclear weapons? Yeah, they might build crazier weapons actually. No joke because the regulations would be extremely different. Do they have the resources? Do they have the money? Without a centralized force, it would be would be extremely different so do they have the resources do they have the money without a centralized force it would be very difficult no no one of the reasons why the u.s accelerated and a lot of crazy technology was

because of a lack of understanding and regulation so you had people doing crazy radioactive experiments so the government creates this overarching lockdown like you if like doing research on lsd the whole government's locked it down if you had dispar disparate pockets of collectives, there could be one place where they're like, you're free to do whatever you want in that regard. Another place saying you can't do that. That's like states. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We already have that with states.

Yeah. No, but I mean like the federal government has locked down a lot of specific things. Well, they lock it down when it doesn't benefit them financially or they can't gain control over it. We could still have a mutual defense agreement with all the different states, but I believe that individuals should determine how they want to live their lives. And I think us getting more involved in local issues, local community politics is the way to do it. And then when we have this big, over-compensating federal government, we have to limit that as much as we can, but we could still have a national defense, and we could still

live under the rules of anarchy or libertarianism or socialism or communism depending on the community that determines what's right for them and their particular circumstance because again the biggest minority is the individual that's the one that we think we should always look out for over anyone else yeah well we're always big about local like that's a big thing for us is it very local and people say how can they get involved in like the most important thing is local because your needs are different locally different communities i think big cities are bad yeah they're horrible i think big cities they're covet emporiums now yeah uh a lot of the complaints we hear about police it's because the cops don't know or care about you yeah so it's not community based they're not there to protect and serve in the sense that

you know you're a member of my community i'm going to look out for you it's a big city and they bring in cops from one area to police the other area and mix them all around. And then you have you can't grow food. You can't be self-sufficient. You're reliant on things coming in. The cost of living skyrockets. I think people got to, you know, be more I don't want to say rural, but maybe like semi rural suburban, you know.

But it's communal. What you're talking about is kind of a communal thing. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So I consider myself left libertarian. But the way I describe it is what people don't understand about left libertarian is it really bothers me is that whenever they do the political compass memes, the left authoritarian is like the tankies and the communists and the left libertarian is Antifa.

And I'm like, that's not libertarian. You can't go. See, this is all labels. You're like, these are all the labels. This is why it's so hard to deal with that. It's true. And I'm trying to define what it is, but I'll try to break it down. that's not libertarian. You can't go see. This is all labels. You're like, these are all the labels. This is why it's so hard to deal with that. It's true. And I'm trying to define what it is, but I'll try to break it down. Here's what I say.

They say that Antifa, they go on protest. They fight if they're rocks and bricks. It's not libertarian to exert a force over another person. That's that's that's opposite. Right. Left libertarian is hippies on a farm sharing like, yeah, I just grew this watermelon. You want to have some? And they just share. Yeah. But it's really easy in a small community it's really hard in cities and

it's really hard scaling up into government states and federal level so it's really easy to set up a farm and have friends and work there and share what you what you make it's really hard to do that if you're a federal government with 300 million people once you go out into the farm and start working on the land those people typically become libertarians yeah or anarchist for a reason yeah but all the hard work associated with it yes yeah but you could be left libertarian in that this is these are my friends this is my family yeah i'm gonna give my watermelon to my friends as long as you're not forcing watermelon down people's throats and using force and aggression with that then fine yeah of course

do that it's history of farms though is that they would get invaded and taken right because the authoritarian structures one you know gangas con for instance can force people and then just take it over faster than you can defend it that's why it doesn't scale up very well it's very difficult to maintain so ultimately you know realistically I become more liberal than anything because you need some kind of authority, some not authoritarianism, but some kind of mutual group, self-defense, common defense, et cetera. Well, someone has to be in charge in the sense that there have to be budgets. There have to be things if you're living as a in any sort of society, there has to be some sort of structure. And so somebody does have to be. But it's you know, you're talking about it could be a board.

It could be a committee. It's a commission. It doesn't. And it could be more revolving, too. It should be more revolving. I think the American government is brilliant. We have Congress for passing laws, and it's representing the people. The Senate, the upper changer, representing the states.

And the executive branch for quick military decisions in the common defense. However, I think the system has been slowly eroded, and now we have a lot of corruption in it. Yeah, that's going to be tested very soon, especially after the election in Georgia, if the Democrats have full power over all of the government. So that's going to be very interesting. And yet I think they'll still do nothing. I disagree. Oh, no, no, no.

I think in terms of what you're hoping for, you're right. Oh, yeah. No, I'm talking in terms of like the policy that we're seeking to actually in terms of selling out the working class. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. I actually thought for a second I was thinking about like, you know, helpful democratic policies that are actually in their platform that they might actually do that.

But no, no. Yeah, it's going to it's going to be a bunch of people in an ivory tower sipping their tea with pinkies out saying, well, now that we've regained control, you know, let's let's extract more value from these people and give them nothing in return yeah let's take super chats because uh i see a lot of people have a lot of interesting things to say thoughts cassius cam says it wasn't a chinese spy it was a coffee cup pstm luke was right about the vax i did issue a correction i said i thought everything is going to be fine people can have vaccine nothing's going to happen and i it's almost like universe playing a prank on me.

Because I'm like, look, people get flu shots all the time. We don't hear these stories. I have a normalcy bias. Do you get a flu shot? No. I don't either.

Ever since I stopped working at the hospital. If you haven't already, smash that like button and get your super chats in. We'll read through as many as we can. Daniel Ashley says,

where can we find you when Google deplatforms you? Down by the river fishing. That's the best I can say. Did something just go by saying Jen loves men in diapers? I mean, maybe. Did you read that? I swear that I just saw something fly by that says Jen likes men in diapers.

Don't read the chat. Whatever you do. No, no, no. I just thought that was funny. What does that mean? What is happening? The chat is happening. Max Power says, martial law now stop the great

reset stop the lockdowns uh you know martial law would just be civil war if that really happened i'd say just it's a bad idea okay let's see we got here carlos cruz says suggestion the authoritarians shouldn't be called communists there are too many who view communism favorably call them neo-feudalists no defense well i actually think it's a better way to put everything because what we're seeing with covid lockdowns and the extraction of wealth and the corporations and everything it's very much like a neo feudalism they're stripping the wealth and ownership away from the working class to make them subservient to the machine they're essentially neo serfs yeah and just like you said capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system out there.

That's correct, yeah. And what these big businesses and corporations and the Pope are proposing is— Redefining capitalism. But it's not capitalism. It's a bunch of powerful interests who control the foreign resources. And I thought we pretty much said it's socialism. It's socialism for the rich. For the rich.

Yeah. It's feudalism. If it were really capitalism and they were really having to be survival of the fittest and let the market decide, most of them wouldn't be around anymore. Exactly. They're like that

because they've bought off enough policies. Just like the big banks in 2008. Yeah. It's kind of like once they went off the gold standard

to this fiat currency, they became socialist. Because it allows them to extract value. Unlimited amounts. Exactly. They just print money. Yep.

On the gold standard, you need gold to buy things you like you need that value so the fiat system allows them to just like if all of us were working and trading and i could print money i could just sit here do no work and just print the money and give it to you and you'd accept it that's what they're doing the gold standard stopped that so what was it trump tried appointing this woman who won the gold standard back and then everyone blocked her i love it it's fun isn't it desiree smith says do you have another platform besides youtube yes the tim pool daily show and timcast irl are on all podcast platforms so spotify and itunes go check it out subscribe and leave a good review it boosts up uh the show and the rankings and then people will find the show more and then it creates a snowball effect

so it would be really great. Also, if you miss the live show, you can check it out there, too. Midnight in Exile says, I'd love to know if this woman understands that she betrayed her country to China for a superficial feeling of superiority and social belonging. I'd love to know how that sits with her psyche. First of all, this woman is Jen Perlman. They're talking about me? That's about me? I don't think they were talking about me. Well, no. I thought they were talking about me. That's about what did I do? What didlman. They're talking about me? That's about me? I don't think they were talking about me.

Well, no. I thought they were talking about, what did I do? What did I do? They're talking about Biden and Biden's ties to China. Yeah, it's not. I know. Again, I'm not proud of it. It's not.

I own it. But I also have to say that given where I am and the change that I'm trying to make and what I'm trying to do and us on a local level and building up a name and building up a platform. There are certain things that unfortunately, I have to live with within the Democratic Party that I just do. I mean, you could lie and say you didn't vote. Correct. But you're saying you did. And also owning it because that's who I am. And that's what I do. And again, I'm not proud of that choice. It's not like I'm again, not defending it. I'm not saying anybody else should do it. I could have gone a few different ways. I also think, you know, my response to you, Midnight in Exile, is I think you should be soft touch. You've got, you know, Jen here is very much in agreement on a lot of the things. We have a great conversation. So she's certainly willing to have a conversation. We got to make sure that when we're talking to

people who like voted for Biden, we don't just, you know, I'm not promoting him. Let me be very clear. Like, I didn't promote him. I've only criticized him. I made it very clear when I was open about that. I did that this by no means negates that I hold him accountable for all his bad choices, policies and very, very credible sexual assault allegations. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't. Were you following the story about D. Dong Shang in this this this speech he gave about the Bidens being compromised or anything like that?

No, I will. I'm not. I'm not. That's the thing, too. I think a lot of people assume that everyone knows what they know. And if and if you've got somebody who's willing to have a conversation and we, for the most part, agree on like big corporation, you know, exploitative corporations and government are extracting our resources.

Well, then let's let's flies with honey. I mean, I am not the person that is selling anybody out. I'm just you know, I'm just a person trying to do service and help. I mean, it's like I was between a rock and a hard place. And quite honestly, the damage that it would do to my movement, if I didn't support Joe and was out there saying that, that would end up hurting the progress that we're trying to make by but for ignorant means and reasons. And that doesn't serve what we're trying to do, which is ultimately help people.

So there is a certain amount of strategy that has to just be in play. I just think it's, you know, for most people, a rock and a hard place. I think Biden's substantially worse. But I also think I'm not the smartest person in the world and I'm morally superior to other people. So I don't know, you know, other than having a conversation and trying to convince people, let's let's talk about policies, I guess. That's all I do. I do that. That's mostly what I do is talk about policy this is what i'm about yeah what's that look luke you got a look on your face no no no i'm reading the comments there okay i love the comments all right do they hate me are they no no let's see uh daniel maxwell says the texas case being heard by scotus is the

best chance of the election being resolved peacefully the left will explode but then things will settle down and go forward in a peaceful manner. I'm not convinced there's a resolution there. I mean, we saw how bad it was when Trump legitimately won. What do you think is going to happen if he gets this Supreme Court victory? It's going to be crazy.

I mean, and what do you think is going to happen if the Supreme Court says no to 17 states challenging the results? Like, we're in a seriously rough spot right now. Yeah, to say the least. There's no win. Yeah. And that's the results. We're in a seriously rough spot right now. Yeah, to say the least. There's no win. Yeah. And that's the thing. There's no win. I mean, there's not an easy answer

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got some criticism versi says typical leftist says she's everything that's right about her party then proceeds to give examples as to why her party sucks says she doesn't like them but says she is one of them and says she won't vote for them but does. Well, I don't. I generally don't vote for them. This is something that is really upsetting. This is a total strawmanning situation. Like everybody's in one category.

I don't sing any praises about that. Oh, I mean the left is a million different. It is. And the reality is I live in a closed primary state in an extremely gerrymandered district. So the only way for us to make any progress, which being the only way for us to oust somebody like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is to do so within the confines of the Democratic Party. this isn't i'm not there by philosophical choice so you can call me a typical lefty i'm dealt with the card that i'm dealt i live in a place where if i were to run as an independent i would get absolutely nowhere so you know i it's just a matter of the puritanical principles of it all is not worth throwing away our entire strategy to try to help people with you know the way i see it is if they're mad that you voted for biden but you're still willing to have a conversation and oppose the establishment machine, they should take the allies where they can get them. It's better than having no support.

I say the same thing to the people on the establishment left. They can't stand that I affiliate with Republicans. I go to the Republican meetings in our district because we have a lot in common. I actually met people protesting the oil drill in the Everglades. Those are Republicans. So if we can agree on that, let's work on that. I don't care what your issue is on choice. That's another issue.

We can work on this fracking in the Everglades thing. Let's do that. So this is from both ends. Fracking in the Everglades? Oh, fracking everywhere. But we finally had a major showdown in Florida because a company owned this huge portion of land in the Everglades and they were going to start drilling there. And the problem, it is so dangerous to do that for so many reasons, not to mention it's close to our drinking water. Forget if you don't care about the

other ecosystems. But yeah, and the Republican organization is against this, and I'm against this. So yet I have people in my group, on my team, that criticize me for having relationships across that aisle. So I am just a person who is trying to serve my community and get the best policies to help the most amount of people and try to avoid as many labels as possible. That's really what I'm trying to do. Right on. Gary Bain says, I think we are on the verge of civil war. People are hoping and waiting for the best. After that, people do not feel that we have any law on our side, then we don't need them, meaning we will, we don't need them, meaning we will need to remove people however needed. Can you feel this?

Kind of hard to understand, I guess, but. Well, look at how the law is being bastardized right now with all the lockdowns and police officers arresting people for being in their own businesses and not doing anything wrong or illegal or immoral and officers literally cage you up put you in a cell where you're not social distancing all for the crimes of not social distancing so i think he's talking about the the breakdown of rule of law since it's pretty much politicians living on high horses sending out their decrees in mainly democratic cities that are causing so much human suffering right now. So it's going to be interesting to see how people come out of that.

I predicted this to you, Jen, earlier. Yeah. Royal Raptor says, this woman is not the left. She can say whatever she wants, but the real left are the ones making moves in Capitol Hill and making laws for people or people with social power. Her left, she claims to be, is dead. That's why us right use the term. Remember earlier I was saying that people are going to say you're not really the left? No, it's funny. But when you look at what we consider the left or left of center,

right? So left of center are the kind of social policies that I am a proponent of, right? Left of center, you have things like Medicare for all. You have a living wage. You have increased taxing on the rich you have um basically an economy that works for everybody that works for working people so what i represent when we say the left i am of the labor party that no longer exists so what used to be the left when we say left to me we think working people we think the labor the labor movement left that's that's the right these days well now it is. Now it is. But it wasn't always that way.

I mean, look, when FDR gave us the New Deal, that was about helping save capitalism from imploding by having people still be able to be consumers. You cannot have capitalism without consumers. So, I mean, I'm going by the labels that are given to me by everybody else. I don't really like to use labels.

So you guys are really the ones that more call me left. I'm just simply differentiating myself from who you call that woke left. Do you ever look into auditing and repealing the Federal Reserve Act? No, but I'm not a fan of the Federal Reserve. So I mean, I could look into that. I mean, I'm open to that. I'm a pretty open person. Like, my goal is to help as many people as possible.

So I don't have a particular, like, dogma, right? Like, I don't have a particular thing. I want people to have Medicare. I want people to be able to work 40 hours a week and be able to live. You know, that's what I want. So anything that will facilitate that is going to be something I'll support. Well, we got a couple of good super chats. James O'Connor says, yes, this is the conversation that needs to be had. Trump has Trump was has been the biggest threat to the military industrial complex, but is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Why he is being discredited, not assassinated. And then Rob Walters says, love the guest and discussion. You kids are the hope for our country. I'm 54. He says, we need to talk.'s my peer there you go thank you we need to talk

respect differences find common ground and make it cool to love our constitution too funny tim did not know who wilt chamberlain is yeah that was funny because will chamberlain was here the other day by the way when you kept saying that i kept picturing will chamberlain wilt yes i didn't know who like i can picture that and i'm picturing will chamberlain yeah i was when i first met him i'm like wait will chamberlain is that the wait what i know that name and he'm picturing Wilt Chamberlain. Yeah. When I first met him, I'm like, wait, Wilt Chamberlain? Is that the... Wait, what? I know that name.

Did he sleep with like 30,000 women? Yes. It's something... I always say, look, when I meet athletes, I'm like, they should be aspiring for Wilt Chamberlain numbers. Yeah. I would be. Highest 100 points in a game or something.

Hey, I don't think... No, you're talking about points, not women. Yeah, yeah. The whole Monty... You know, I don't think trump was a threat to the military industrial complex at all i think he just played the game he talked a big game and then he drone bomb war and then just didn't do early he did what everyone did they said what was popular anything that would upset the boat at all but in the past couple of

years he's gone so hard against them democrats and republicans united to stop him and what i do he does lip service he doesn't do anything what do you mean he fired the pentagon top brass to put in people like two weeks ago yes and it's been an ongoing news story that he was lied to in order to keep troops in the middle east and he's been actively trying to get that came out two weeks ago too like he had four years of doing just warfare the story about the syria line was actually years ago when they did this trump was trying to pull the troops out of syria a long time did this. Trump was trying to pull the troops out of Syria a long time ago and they lied to him to keep the troops there. It was like, what, four troops he wanted to pull out?

I think it was a few thousand. And then they said, there's only 200 left. They said, okay, there's actually substantially more. We don't know. We have like 120 military bases all over the world. I just think it's too overly pessimistic. We have close to a thousand military bases. Those are the ones that we know of. Some of those are like black ops things.

And it's interesting because there are sites, there are things that we don't even include in that number, but that are out there. Like nuclear submarines? Oh, I don't know about that. How many of those are off the coast? I know that there's somebody who I'm looking at talking to for an interview who was an insider person that came across a U S op site in Uzbekistan that was not even registered and they were doing torture there. And this is somebody, this was like,

I want to say the British ambassador, like he's not an American. This is somebody else. And he ended up losing his job for, for pointing that out. And I learned this from my interview with John Kiriakou. I don't know if you're familiar with John Kiriakou. John Kiriakou is a whistleblower.

He's a CIA, um, analyst. And he actually did 23 months. He's the person who exposed the torture. Oh, that's right. That's right. Did they go after him for that?

No, he did 23 months. That's right. And 23 months in actual prison, not club fed. And so he's the one who told me about this. So there's this site just randomly in Uzbekistan where we're just committing torture. And the person who pointed that out, of course, is the person who gets fired. Listen, if you're not going to praise someone when they do something good, they'll never do anything good. But to the point, he didn't go after the military.

But if he did, they would have killed him. So I can't hold his feet to the fire that hard. It comes down to one of my core philosophies is that if someone is doing something bad, you criticize them. If they do something good, you praise them. If you're just going to say, no, I don't care. Trump's bad no matter what he tried to do. Well, then why would what he tried to do. Well, then why would he ever try to do better?

I kind of agree with that. I tried to be on his side for the sake of it. But the fact that we don't know how many people he killed with drone bombs because he made it that way is psychotic. No new wars. It's a drone war. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Yeah. No, you're both right.

He upped drones early on, and I railed on him relentlessly for the first couple of years after he filed fired Bolton. Things are calming down in terms of the things he was doing. No. Yes, of course. So all I can do is say he literally signed these four historic peace deals. He's been trying to remove the troops for a long time now, and Democrats and Republicans are blocking him and they're lying to him for years. So I'm going to do this. I'm going to say Trump's not perfect. I don't like the Iran stuff. I don't like the drone strikes, the potential escalation with Iran, the killing of the scientists and all that stuff.

But if Trump's going to get our troops out of there, that's going to end all of that. And so I'm going to do this. If somebody is doing something bad, I'll criticize them. The moment they do something good, I'll say, thank you for doing the right thing. Because if you don't, they'll never be incentivized to do the right thing it's it's the best it's the best you can do yeah so trump says get the troops out i say thank you donald trump that's so amazing you're the best please get our troops out but then do you hold him accountable when he doesn't do it yeah i'll say and there we go again that just like you know so look he he campaigned on ending

the wars and then once he got in i was like bol, it was the funniest thing ever when he hired him. Like, what did he think would happen with that? Like, and you know what? Is there not perfect? No, no, no, no. You know what? When you're in that position, you have a duty to sort of know when you're staffing and have like, I'm sorry, how can you not know who John Bolton is?

How about bringing in Elliott Abrams to go and solve the problem in Venezuela? I think that's not going to help. I think Trump underestimated the, um, what's the right word? The entrenchment of the establishment machine or the deep state. That's the, well,

that's what we were talking about before. And I think, but if he really did something about it, really did something about it, then he would no longer be, you know, maybe this will be the best lame duck session ever. And,

uh, we'll see, we'll see what happens with these lawsuits. Maybe it won't be. If Trump gets reelected, he's going to go nuclear against all of this. He's going to be flipping tables. You know what I mean? But in the event he doesn't, maybe in the next month he'll start flipping tables. And we'll see. One could only hope there'll be less government.

I just don't think that's going to happen. I don't see that happening. I know. You're definitely like, I mean, you're a little bit more utopian than me with that that was the sarcastic comment yes all right joseph flynn says always good to hear from people who aren't wholly committed to the tribe if i lived in the correct district i'd vote for you shmi skywalker for supreme chancellor okay i think you mean the leftist the left right matt well uh wesley says tim would you agree civil war starts

when peaceful talking stops americans have stopped peaceful talking we live in two different realities it was actually the ceo of axios he said that america is the decoupling is going to begin he fears this that the two different realities are now so far apart that that's it there's just two different americas now yeah that's when i think we're on the cusp of conflict i can't believe 17 states have signed on to as it was i am curious where that goes like i'm one of the people that i'll make comments on that when we see what the facts are and where it actually goes before it's sort of like you can jump on that now but it could end up going nowhere keith biggin says tim please offer luke a long-term seat on the podcast he makes a

great addition and it. And it's really nice to wake up and see him sitting in the parking lot, living there. In my bathrobe. Where were you before the parking lot? New Hampshire. Before the parking lot. In another parking lot in New Hampshire. We are going to buy

a big... Were you really in a commune? Yeah. That's really cool. But it was like a narco... It's a part of the Free State Project, which is a group of individuals moving to New Hampshire to eliminate the government. Oh. Yes. Oh, we probably shouldn't say that on air. Peacefully.

Peacefully. Yes. Through legislative measures, which is kind of an oxymoron, but it's a bunch of individuals who believe in self-responsibility. Okay, that makes more sense. Yes. That just sounds like terrorism. Well, that's what I was going to say.

Yes. Royal Raptor says, Tim, you don't care about about masks but you don't have to wear one all day i work in tech and have to have a mask on every day for like eight hours and if i don't have it on and i'm not eating i get fired instantly so rethink masks well no i agree with you on that i'm talking about going to the store i wasn't talking about being at your job that's that's messed up and that's a serious problem um i don't know the solution is to that you know companies are gonna have their rules if i go to the store and they tell me that I have to wear a mask, I'm kind of like, I got to wear a shirt, too. So I'm going to be in here for 20 minutes. I'm not super concerned.

Yeah, eight hours is crazy for sure. Especially if you see the I see the photos of the doctors, the lines on their faces. I think that's crazy, too. V City, it says, just wanted to point out none of these sites ever fact check. I can't read that. YouTube will ban me. I would have read it. I'd like to read it. vcdia says just wanted to point out none of these sites ever fact check i can't read that youtube will ban me i would have read it i would like to read it luke luke has merchandise that says that so we can be there they banned it you just can't say they banned that merchandise like i have a

lot of i have i have i have to have a second store just for that merchandise it's about an individual and not doing a thing that's all i can say say. I've been in a duel for over 30 years. He's a guy who had an island. Yes. And with presidents who went there. They banned that? Yeah. Yes.

Yes. That's amazing. Welcome to Despotic Overlord, Nyber Dystopia. Yes. So, you know, whatever. All right, let's see. Oh, we jumped down.

Anton Maxson says, Google News, U.S. currency on the the behance what is this behance site will this be u.s blockchain currency looks pretty cool actually please take a look and should i run for city council or another position i am one block left of center on policy where do i start is that for me not necessarily but sure where does someone start i have a lot of opinions about that so this needs to be something that's a ground up, not a top down approach. So running for office needs to if it wants to be successful, it should most be organic.

So it isn't a matter of you deciding I want that job. Now let me go sell myself to those constituents. You're going to be most successful when you actually represent those constituents naturally organically. And the way to do that is to get involved locally and move your way up. But every market and every district is different. So whether or not, if he said what he said, he was just center or whatever he said, he is one block left. One block left. I mean, that really depends on where that is, what that district is, what the incumbent looks like. And and what because you have to there's so many variables, like it's not a matter of whether you want that. You can want that, but that doesn't make it happen. And not everybody is cut out for this. It really takes a very particular kind of person to be able to even campaign, let alone

once you win. So it takes some soul searching. That's what I think. Ian Greenwood says, Jen, thank you for your principles and being on the show. Thanks, Tim and team for your service. Appreciate it. Eric Martindale says, Read David Friedman's Machinery of Freedom

or watch the video summary. Squarely resolves the question of rights enforcement and arbitration in an anarchist society. I will check that out, definitely. Michael Clouds says, Tim, you say you are willing to allow anyone who has been shadow banned and deplatformed on your show, yet you seem to be scared of Nick Fuentes.

Why? I won't have just anyone on the show for any reason. And just because someone's banned doesn't mean I'll have them on the show. yet you seem to be scared of Nick Fuentes. Why? I won't have just anyone on the show for any reason. And just because someone's bad doesn't mean I'll have him on the show. I have no problem with Nick Fuentes or having him on the show at all. In fact, there's some friends of mine who are actually adamantly being like, dude, you definitely got this guy on the show. It's just an issue of maximizing relevance. And also, one of the challenges is I'm trying to avoid setting a precedent of people coming in chat and constantly berating me with who i have to have on the show yeah and i've been

worried that because there's been such a heavy push for fuentes that if i immediately just react to a comment saying okay we'll have him then people are going to start sending emails and constantly berating us and demanding us to have people on the show so um is this a democracy is what is what because yeah it shouldn't be it's not well then why does every then demanding us to have people on the show. Is this a democracy? Is what? Because, yeah, it shouldn't be. It's not. Well, then why does every... And may I ask who that is?

Because I don't even know who you're talking about. Who is Fuentes? America First. I think they're called the Gropers. Is that correct? They're called Gropers. She's making a face. No, no, no.

I'm listening. They're America First. I guess they're Trump supporters, right? And he got banned because some clips were being taken you know taken and spread around they are highly nationalistic they hold some beliefs that i do not hold i would be happy to engage with them but like tim says i don't like being told to have you don't like to be bullied as to what to do with that i don't want to say necessarily bullied i just don't want people to be like hey everyone go into his chat and go mobbing you know just saying someone's name over and over because no we've not gotten this for anybody else and so like it's difficult

because we're like oh yeah yeah um look i've got a good friend who's who is prominent political commentator who thinks it'd be a really important conversation and that's why i'm willing to talk about it right now and bring it up when someone asks but it's really difficult because it's like almost every single day we'll get it people keep saying it over and over and over again and that makes it difficult it makes it very very difficult because the the way you ended up on the show is did we bully you no we've been because i wouldn't do that we've interacted on social media okay and then there was something that happened where we had a we you know there was a comment exchange and and then i think you know we were like oh let's let's we'll do the show yeah

it was really really simple yeah the challenge is like i can't just have people you know but uh we we will of course we will it's it's you know you're not avoiding it that's the point like you're hard guys stop pushing him so hard yeah i don't even want to put it that way it's just like i do not want to get people coming in and spamming dislikes or whatever and and being like if we just go after him he'll eventually have someone on the show i don't want to do that it would be interesting to host a debate with him no i want to uh i don't i don't want to what would you be debating someone else would debate them and we would just host a debate but what would be the top like what are they like nationalism versus globalism or something or nationalism trump versus biden maybe yeah so you mean just sort of give them something to argue

about well it'd be interesting to have the battle of ideas. You know, you always want to challenge, if you think something's a bad idea, you always want to challenge it with good ideas. And I think if we ever have that opportunity, I think it's great. And I think we should always try to do that. As long as it is ideas and not just labeling and name calling. Of course. And that's the problem.

Yeah. Well, a lot of people have their ego and arrogance involved, and then the conversation devolves into what you're doing right now. But I think we were able to do a really good job today. I didn't agree with everything, but I thought you are pretty cool. Thank you. I think you're full time. I think it was awesome to have this discussion. All right. We'll do two more. I think these are good. Robert Miller says, progressives always go on about Medicare for all. If the objective is access to healthcare,

is that better served by abundance or scarcity? If abundance, why do they advocate to create scarcity? I don't, there is absolutely no logical conclusion, but I don't know what that means. There is no scarcity. Well, so if, I guess, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but if everybody has access to the same health care, then it's wait lists and very difficult to get. No, that's actually not how that works. The only limitations we have are what our resources are in this country. So whether that's personnel, your medical physicians, your people, your resources, your hospitals, your machinery, your equipment, all that stuff. That's what causes limitations, not the labeling of who's paying for your system. That has nothing to do with anything. I reject that completely. And as far as, and by the way,

let me preface this with my husband's a urologist. My husband has a medical practice that he's been in since 2003. He owns part of a surgery center. He covers six or seven hospitals and has four locations for his practice. Medicine is a hand that feeds me. Most of the people in that arena do not support the concept that I'm talking about. This isn't about me. It's not about my husband foregoing some amount of income. And let me, by the way, and as much as he does not love that idea, he loves the idea of not having to provide health insurance for his employees anymore. So definitely agree with that. And so so and he also cannot stand the dealing with the bureaucracy and the red tape of dealing with managed care.

That is something that hinders doctors on a level that most people don't understand. So I'm not speaking at this as some, you know, that's the hand that feeds me. I come from medical family. I think everybody agrees that there's like red tape and bureaucracy jamming the whole thing up. Yeah, that's why I think you've got many on the right who are saying a free market solution many on the left saying a universal uh socialized solution and i'm like you know what honestly i i lean in one direction but i'll take anything other than this weird mangled corporate lobbyist version of whatever it is we have i just to me

that shouldn't be a for-profit industry um you and and no other developed nation has that and there's a reason for that. Like the fire department, you would never incentivize firemen to the more fires because then they'd go start the fires or they'd be happy to see fires get started. And with doctors, they get paid more if they're sick people. Well, they get paid more for each procedures too. And for COVID. So ideally, they would always get paid regardless of who they taught or who they saw. And then we would focus on keeping people healthy.

So there are challenges like how much does someone get paid if they're a specialist, like an anesthesiologist? Of course, there's definitely things that have to be worked out. There is no perfect system. But the goal is, is that we are all infinitely better off with a healthy society. I think I think Andrew Yang had one of the best arguments for it. He said the problem is why should a small business be burdened with being the provider of healthcare when they can barely afford to get started? He goes, he talked about how the majority of small businesses fail

because it's very, very difficult. Why we have them, why are their employees asking the boss, do I get healthcare if I work here? That's very, that's a strain. No other country has that. I think that's insane. Now for me personally, I think,

and we talked about this quite a bit, we do, that there should be like, for me personally, I think, and we talked about this quite a bit, we do, that there should be like, I forgot what it's called, acute care. So like, you break your hand, you get sick, you need emergency care. But then for the more extreme and difficult illnesses, we need private insurance. There's got to be some kind of mix. But why? So some treatments are scarce and hard to come by, especially like there was one story I read about, I think it was Louisiana. There's a genetic disease and the treatment cost a million dollars to produce because it's rare. The disease is extremely rare.

That means it's like they can't just mass produce this. Right. So then who has the million dollars to spend it? Then it shouldn't. But see, why does it have to have that? There shouldn't. It shouldn't be who has the money to get that treatment. Everybody should be the same.

But they don't they don't produce the treatment. One thing that bothers me is when people make themselves sick by eating poorly and then expect other people to cover the cost of that. Okay, but then can we talk about food deserts and food insecurity

and people that have no education as to healthy food and have no resources to healthy food and live in communities that their only walking distance supply of food is junk. And like food stamps that they can buy Pepsi with.

Right, right, right. So we got a huge problem. Yes. It's more than just healthcare. Yes. So people need to be, man, how do you, that's a really difficult problem. You know, Michael Bloomberg wanted to ban large sodas.

Okay, that is the stupidest thing. I know, I know. So then you could just get two small ones. Right. I know. It's so dumb. It's more money for McDonald's. Yeah. What sense does that make? But it is, it is, these are, these are serious concerns, right? You have a lot of people who, a lot of people who are willfully unhealthy. Yes. And we'll call it the system. A lot of people who are ignorantly, meaning we have, they haven't been given the proper understanding. So is there a solution where we have a universal health care,

but you have to pass a physical? You have to be like... No, I mean, that's like means testing for things. No, we have universal health care because it's in everybody's best interest for us to have healthy citizens in this country and not using things like our emergency room as primary care facilities. So when you have... And by the way, you have less expense. We know this, right? The Koch brothers had that Mercator Institute study, which I think was the most conservative one that was done. And that said that over 10 years, we saved $2 trillion. So financially, this makes the most sense. Yeah. So I think to clarify, too, when you say not a for-profit industry, what we really mean

is that there are people who don't contribute to the companies in the system. Shareholders. They extract money through the system, right? Yes. And so in this capacity, if the doctor provides a service, he should get paid. Absolutely. Comparable to like what his skill is and what he deserves. Yeah. No, I mean, when you say nonprofit, people still make a living. Oh, they make a lot of money.

Yeah. I mean, this isn't every other country that's developed has one form or another of this. And I know urologists, particularly in Canada, and I've had very long conversations about this, and they're all happy with the system there. They are. Are there problems with it? Absolutely. There's problems with every system. Can you name a country, a system that you like? You know, the Australian system seems kind of good to me. I'm pretty open. Like I said before, I have no specific policy dogma other than what the end result is.

For me personally, I think we need to have a big discussion about the corruption of the medical system before we start saying free medical care for everyone. Because when we look at some of their practices, especially going after the symptoms rather than a cure, especially with some of the abuses that we've seen, I think we need that conversation before saying we're going to supplement them with a lot of government money. But why do you think a lot of those things are there? Well, there's many reasons. There's many incentives. But if we give them carte blanche and all the money in the world, I think that abuse is going to happen on a bigger level.

Well, right now, it's all profit-driven. Right now, everything is completely profit-driven. Depends on the state. Depends on the practices of certain hospitals. Right now, it is a broken system, but funneling more money into it would make it more broken, in my opinion. Because you're funneling money into a system that's not working. Exactly.

But that's why we're wanting to change the system. So we have a super chatter directly providing a comment. It says, I'm in Quebec, Canada, and our healthcare system is falling apart so badly. I had to wait six months to get a neurologist. And it took less than a year only because my case was flagged urgent. I would have to go to the private health system to get faster. Yeah, there are issues with it again. But that and that has to do with how they manage their system and how they allocate their resources. And also they're trying right now to privatize it in Canada. This is why I think one of the biggest challenges that like 20% of our economy is,

I think it's like 20% of our economy is healthcare systems. So you've got management jobs, you've got mailroom jobs, they're tied up in these big systems. And I think even Bernie estimated like 2 million jobs would be lost if we did. Now, I've talked to a lot of leftists who said it was crazy when Bernie said we should abolish private health care because no other country does that. Even in Europe, you can get private health insurance. It feels to me like maybe the simplest compromise is we don't want people dying in the streets. So basic level coverage, you get it. But when it comes to more difficult treatments, then we need some kind of private supplemental insurance.

But I also don't want to incentivize people to be lazy or fat. I agree. And I don't want to be paying for other people's mistakes you know let's just be honest this is tough eat this snickers and then take this benadryl like just don't eat the snickers isn't it isn't it crazy i was talking about the other day i had i had indigestion because after a show like two nights ago i ate a bunch of papa john's pizza which i don't want to do because they were bad to papa john and they fired him for no reason but i was putting the garlic sauce all over and i was eating jalapeno poppers and i got i woke up in the middle of the night and i couldn't sleep because i was like you know what i did guess what

i stopped eating it and that helped so today i had uh some some some mixed veggies and a sandwich and i feel great i bought a lot and i was like wow i shouldn't do a bad thing that hurts me so we got hold on hold on you see these commercials and it's like i remember watching a commercial where this guy's eating a big old bowl of spaghetti and he goes oh my stomach and it's like do you have acid indigestion take this drug and i'm like just stop eating the food that's hurting you what are you doing how exactly humans are animals you were wild we want hungry things like how do we teach people that they're making themselves sick because i will not pay for someone's chronic health care if they keep eating crap look at this guy you used to be so lefty ian seriously

i will not pay for that's a result of people taking advantage of the system those are freeloaders that's just the way it is how do you deal with them in a system with free health care okay so this is the thing when i did criminal law i would people would say how do you defend criminals because i did defense and I would defend anybody. I don't care what they did. I would defend anyone. And it's that constitution loving. It is.

And it goes to this. So I would rather a hundred guilty people go free than one innocent person go to jail. Absolutely. Okay. So I would rather a hundred people freeload my system than somebody not be able to get their kids medicine. And so there's a difference. But the freeloading may stop.

But no, that's best positive versus negative rights. Well, it is. But to me, when you're talking about a system that's going to be, that provides, you are inevitably going to have freeloaders.

There is no, you cannot have a free system without freeloaders trying to get off the system or, you know, whatever they can take. Then I think the fair thing would be some kind of

obstacle for freeloaders. That's fine. And I'm willing to talk about that. I don't love the idea of means testing things because then you get into, okay, so you smoked this amount back then. So now you can't get health coverage. And first of all, the administrative nightmare of trying to figure out what everybody can and can't qualify for. But but maybe maybe maybe it's just not that extreme. Maybe it's just simply like we don't say you smoke so you can't get this.

We just say you have to have like a physical. So this well, no. And but we should absolutely be requiring people to have preventative health care. That's the point. And if people have preventative health care, we don't know what those outcomes are. I think if we legitimately had a free market, if we didn't have an FDA playing favorites with the big pharma companies, if we literally had insurance companies able to be in the open market, I think if we got rid of the corruption, if that the market would have regulated it to provide a fair price because people would want

something really interesting. In 2019, the economy was doing really, really well. Jim Cramer, whether you trust him or not, said, best numbers of our lives. And we started seeing something really interesting in that businesses started implementing four-day work weeks, two-week paid vacation. A lot of things progressives had advocated for at a policy level were happening just because the economy was doing well. So it's possible that if we start by saying our system is crooked, it really is. And you know what I think it is?

It's because it's not being built by people advocating for a free market or by people advocating for a universal system. It's being built by lobbyists who want specific things passed just to benefit them in the short term. I think if we actually rid of the corruption, we might find we can make it work kind of like in a hybrid system as long as we get rid of the exploitation.

Well, we could have a discussion about it and we can come to some sort of consensus. And that's really what we've been about the whole time is we have to get

the corporate money out. And when you say what are the differences, it's if you have representatives taking corporate money, then they are not going to fight for the people in any regard.

So once you get the corporate money out, we can all have a very nice compromising discussion as to the best way to achieve these things. I am absolutely in favor of getting money out of politics. I know it's kind of a broad statement. It's huge, but it matters. So the challenge is, I've never been a fan of the Citizens United ruling. People have said to me, if you make money, you can spend however you want. If you want to buy an ad, you can do it.

And I say, listen, you can't buy drugs. We do put restrictions on what you can or can't buy. And Luke's solution, jokingly, is to put all the corporate sponsor labels on people. Yeah. It's hard, though, because there will still be ways to circumvent the system, to bully the system and exploit it. There will, but I'll tell you, if you had publicly financed elections, I don't know if people know what that would really look like.

That's true. What is it exactly? Okay, so what you would have in my utopian universe is let's say you decide you want to run for president, okay? And we say, okay, well, then you need X percentage of registered voters. This is how it works to get on a ballot anywhere. You have to get a certain amount of signatures to get on a ballot, whatever that is that we decide.

And then anyone who qualifies gets the same funding. So it's kind of like how it was in high school. So everyone gets a million dollars and 15 minutes on mainstream media. And everybody gets the same. So we can control that. But we're in a social media world, right? So I think what would happen is influencers would become president because we know what exploits social media

to get attention. And then if we restrict everyone... Is that necessarily so horrible? I think so. I don't know. What I know is that right now we're not having people that represent regular people.

That's true. That's true. Right now we're having oligarchs have their little representatives sit there and toast us while we're all running around like peons trying to help ourselves. So the only way around that is to get people that are the peons in that position. And the only way to do that is publicly financed. I do think TikTokers and Jake Ball would do a way better job than the corporate globalists

that we have right now. I was going to say, Trump is a populist Trump is a populist, a populist personality is a celebrity social media. And you know, he done the things he campaigned on. I probably would be a supporter. But what I mean is I think we'd be better with some, we might, we probably would do better if the person's goal was to get as many likes as possible, because if they were doing things that were getting dislikes, they wouldn't want to do it.

Exactly. If you're accountable to the regular people, then you're ultimately... See, this is the thing. Let's say you get people in with no money, right? Ultimately, what we're going to have is we're going to have policies that reflect what our populace wants. Right now, we've got three quarters of the American people that believe in some form of single-payer health care. Most people believe in the legalization of marijuana. Most people believe in getting out of the wars. Most people believe these things, but those things aren't happening. Well, they're not happening because we have a completely dysfunctional republic. We have people being elected not based on that they represent the majority of people.

They're spending all their time fundraising. Right. They're not. So what if you have people in there like your AOC and whatever you think about her, forget policy for a second. Is she accountable to her constituents? Do they like her? I don't think so.

No. Well, that's between them and them. But my point is it's not my position to judge that. Is she representing her constituents? They vote for that's the thing and her popularity and her approval so if you were to look at somebody let's say you know you're nancy pelosi's of the world their approval rating is lower than trump's okay oh definitely yeah right so yet she keeps getting re-elected all right so that's not representing. Who is that representing? That's representing a small group of elitist oligarchs. It's like AOC is hot.

She's a young, hot girl. So like people will just vote for because they want to have a baby. You know what? OK, but then that's accountability to the voter. That's on them. But the point is, if she is actually getting, you know, doing what her voters want her to do, then she's doing her job. Maybe voting is the problem that this system that we think is the best system is actually

very flawed, that someone can push a button and then... Have you ever heard of approval voting? It's where you literally vote as many times as you want. So you could vote once per person for as many people. I see what you're saying. So I was watching this analysis about rank choice voting. I love rank choice voting. But they said that rank choice voting also creates coalitions which create similar pitfalls to the system we have now.

Right. And that approval voting was mathematically the best system where you literally say if there's 10 candidates, I'm going to vote for seven of them. And that created like kind of a wave pattern of who got the most support. That almost sounds a little bit like rank choice a little bit. It doesn't sound dissimilar. It's very similar, but you're basically saying, I'll vote for as many people, but they're all ranked one. So it bypasses coalition building and then just creates a, like, you'll see a wave where

it's like where the most support just forms in certain areas and that person wins. See, that's one of those things where if somebody showed me this is how this works and this is the end result and this is how it would be the numbers I get behind that like i would need to know that that's the thing if that's something that would work and give the my goal is for the most people to be what is represented in our policy so what most people want should be what we have so whatever gets us to that is but then you get but we did build the system because there's tyranny of the majority so it's it's hard to find that balance to make sure the minority isn't being crushed out. Yeah. Well, there's certain things that have to always be off the table. That's the whole point of having a constitution. Right on. Well, with that being

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tomorrow and we're gonna have a big episode on the taboo we are not allowed to say that voter fraud voter fraud okay um as per youtube's rules change the outcome of the election but we're gonna have uh we're booked right now to have somebody on who's uh significant in this field and um we'll see if youtube bans us. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you all tomorrow. Bye, guys. Thank you.