Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #185 - Report Says Dominion Machines Flipped Votes, Bill Bar RESIGNS, w/ Hunter Avallone

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and Luke sit down with Hunter Avallone to discuss the recent firing of Bob Barr, the social change, the recent election, and the implications of going from right-leaning to left-leaning.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Literally like 10 seconds before we started, we blew a fuse in the studio. And so I had to run down two flights of stairs to hit the switch and run right back up. So how y'all doing? We're having a good time. I think today was the craziest day in a really long time. Bill Barr apparently was fired or resigned, I guess, depending on which tribe you're asking. A report came out alleging that voting machines were intentionally producing errors resulting in votes being flipped republicans cast dueling electoral votes the michigan electors were

barred from entering the capitol building under i guess sort of arrest or that may just be you know hyperbole but uh talk about a weird day huh i had to go through all these stories and i'm like wow which ones are the most important and we lost internet again but uh it is what it is anyway the internet cut out and uh i'm hanging out we got hunter avalon in the studio hi we are recording this so even though the internet's giving us the business okay yeah so we're gonna are we gonna record this one it's still recorded okay yeah we're live hi everybody so make sure you talk try and talk as close as you can they might keep it with you and uh gotcha don't pound the table but uh who are you what are you doing here yeah well i'm here because uh you said i could i was like yeah

come hang out yeah i mean i um uh i really built a fairly sizable youtube channel by um really talking a lot of right-wing politics primarily social issues. That's really what I primarily focus on even now. But yeah, I really I started off pretty notorious for being a rampant transphobe. I would be the type of person to tell you that being transgender is a mental illness. You know, getting your genitals hacked off and all that kind of stuff. That would that was my whole MO, right? And it wasn't until later on, as I got a little older, that I started to get a lot more disaffected with my experiences with the right. And then it wasn't until April this year when I decided to formally announce that I had left the right, and I now consider myself

more of a centrist or center left, primarily because, yeah, I find myself disagreeing with the right wing on social issues a lot also, just more and more. We have had so many people on this show who are like left of the left, former Democrats. So I think it's rad that you came down, man. Thanks, man. And I guess you weren't even that far away to begin with, so it's not too difficult. Not at all. We also got Luke Rutkowski who just, I guess he lives here now. He lives in my parking

lot. Timothy, why does this microphone smell like a Texas saloon? Don't ask me What have you been doing with it? I don't know Who was here before me? Alex Jones

So many It was Alex Jones Hi guys I'm Luke And I am the space troop commander Behind the YouTube channel We Are Change Thanks for having me And thanks for letting me live in your parking lot

No problem Ian's chilling Hey everybody Kudos to you I'm here in the corner So this is I don't even know where to you. I'm here in the corner. So this is, I don't even know where to begin today. I'm ready to just like put my feet up, light a cigar or something.

I don't even smoke. I don't even drink. But cigars and beers. A little bit of nicotine buzz. Okay. Let's talk about this report first. As many of you are aware, we are not allowed to make specific claims on YouTube. They'll remove the live stream. But we have this report from Allied Security Group, which got released earlier today.

A judge ordered it be released. And let me just read you one quote from Section B, Subsection 2, saying, We conclude that Dominion Voting Systems is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we conclude that the Dominion voting system should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude the results of

Antrim County should not have been certified. Now let's talk about who this guy is. They say who we are. The first guy. My name is Russell James Ramsland Jr. I'm a resident of Dallas County, Texas. I hold an MBA from Harvard University and a political science degree from Duke University. I've worked with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, among other organizations, and have run businesses all over the world, many of which are highly technical in nature. I have served on technical government panels. So this has been one of the biggest stories of the day. Interestingly, if you Google search this and you try and look it up, you're not

going to find the report. You're going to find a lot of articles saying unproven, baseless Trump supporters and things like that, which is very strange framing for a news organization, because even if you don't agree with this guy or you think he's a hack or you think he's just trying to help Trump, you'd simply say an independent audit, you know, as the result of a lawsuit from Republicans made these claims. That's just the news. If you want to argue this guy is biased or right or wrong, I mean, you can. But what's what's weird is that you go on Google, you try and find the story. They don't tell you what's in the report. They just say Trump supporters are pushing claims. Yeah. I know you, Hunter hunter had some opinions about this guy too so

do you want to express those opinions yeah sure absolutely in the marketplace of ideas right yes um yeah i mean i don't agree that we should just be like attacking someone's credentials i don't think that that's um necessarily an argument against the report i do however think that this guy's credentials are important when we talk about the likelihood of bias in his report. So because he has been a Republican lawmaker, I think, or I know for a fact that he's donated a couple thousand dollars to different GOP people or whatnot. He was hired by the Trump admin. And it's very, very's very frequent for consultants to come to the conclusions that support the lawsuit. So I don't think that that necessarily means that this report should be completely ignored,

but I do think that if anything, what we should take that we should look at this report with a grain of salt and take that maybe as an indication that we need a better, more thorough and more independent audit of these machines. I would 100% be in support of an independent audit of Dominion voting machines, because since I don't really think voter fraud is, you know, a big issue, I would be more than happy to see that audited. And hopefully the findings would, you know, that's the right answer. Yeah. Why has it been like pulling teeth that, you know, because it had to go to a judge to get this released? Why were why were the Democrats trying to block it from being released? It has a lot of misinformation, or at very least, it has information that is quite similar to previous unfounded voter fraud claims that have already been kind of debunked or explained.

That's interesting. Wouldn't this bunk them? What do you mean? So, like, if they said they were unfounded claims, isn't this founding them? Because they actually analyze 22 machines. Right, right, right. Well, no, because I do think that this is extremely susceptible to bias. And even more so, I mean, if you want to say no, yeah, I would question that because a lot of other people like John Oliver, when he came to his show last week, tonight, almost

last year, made very similar claims on his HBO show, warning us about dominion, warning us about the accountability, warning us about the numbers, almost very similarly to the report that was just released by the Republicans. But this was an argument being made by, let's just say, the kind of leftist establishment institutions when it was against this larger idea of Russian collusion. So what do you think of other proponents of the left saying this election was a fraud four years ago, and now, like John Oliver, oddly kind of changing their mind and saying it's legitimate?

Specifically, John Oliver about a year ago produced a 20-minute segment and targeted like a bunch of these money machines including dominion for the susceptibility to fraud how very how it was really really easy now we have republicans saying wow look at all this and now it's the establishment left saying no no that can't possibly be the case i'm not too familiar with john oliver i don't even watch him i don't really like him very much to be honest um i guess i would just want to know like if you think that the if they have a um an error rate of close to 70 percent do you think we would have discovered that sooner than now well 68.05 so i think just just to cite what you're saying the tabulation log this is from section 8, for the forensic examination of

the server in Antrim County for December 6, 2020, consists of 15,676 individual events, of which 10,667 or 68.05 of the events were recorded errors. These errors resulted in overall tabulation errors or ballots being sent to adjudication. The high error rate proves the voting system is flawed and does not meet state or federal election laws. Yeah, we did find it. Texas rejected the machines. Yeah, I mean, I'm again, I'm not familiar with every individual talk show host or Texas

or stuff like that. But I do think that when do you think that this is susceptible to bias? Do you think that guy sounds? Oh, absolutely. Well, as for, you know, whether he sounds like he's biased, I think one simple thing is true. Do you think he's lying under oath with his presentation? Was he under oath when he made that report? I believe this is a sworn statement presented to a court.

The judge had it. I could be wrong. You just read that thing where he calls it proof. This evidence that I have is proof. So that's a red flag. It is. I mean, one of his claims was that. I don't know if he calls it proof. Yeah. This evidence that I have is proof. So that's a red flag. It is. I mean, one of his claims was that. I don't know if he was under oath, actually.

One of his claims was that he was that it was a system error rather than a human error. Yes. Voting system. Right. But I know that one of the people, I think it was a GOP Eisenhower. I don't remember his first name. He was the one that made the error. He was a Republican.

He made the error. In Antrim? Yeah, I believe so. And didn't he even say, like acknowledge that he was the one that made that error? I can pull this up really quick from where I'm reading it from. Yeah, see if you can pull it up because I'm not super familiar. My thing is like, is this guy putting factually baseless statements about numbers and just like making up numbers and then giving them to a court? You know?

Yeah. I don't think that I don't like there's no I don't think there's a grand conspiracy. I think Trump certainly is, you know, spitting in Yowland. But if there's a grand conspiracy, Bill Barr would have just launched investigations and done what Trump wanted. And if he's under oath, he would go to jail. I don't know if he's under oath. We don't know yet. But if he was, which, you know, most most court proceedings, most evidence is under the right of perjury.

Yeah, I can't imagine. Yeah, if he faked these numbers and gave them to a judge or presented them to a court, I can't imagine. Now, I don't think that he's just lying. Don't get me wrong. I don't think this guy is just making up some BS report and then just lying about it under oath or whether he's under oath or not. Regardless, I don't think he like lying about it under oath or whether he's under oath or not regardless i don't think he's lying about it i think that he probably did do something one way or another to get that error rate as high as possible uh now this is only a theory of mine that i have because again we're kind of still waiting for more info on this this subject as

well um but i know that in antrim county there were a lot of errors at first that were then later fixed. So my thought process was perhaps he was counting that error rate before the errors were fixed, which could be a possibility. And if he was, that would mean that there's probably a ton of errors in other places that weren't caught and weren't fixed. I mean, maybe this is why I would be all for like an independent, nonpartisan investigation. I know that Dominion voting machines have been under rigorous tests before, both state level and national tests. And have been rejected because of it. They have been? In Texas. Texas rejected them after doing a test. When? When was this?

So I don't know the exact year, but when Dominion went to Texas and said, we want to use these voting machines, they did tests on them and said, whoa, no way we can't use these. They're bad. I would just want to know how long ago that was. I mean, yeah, I know that in the beginning, at the beginning stages, I'm sure that they were much less unreliable, but they've been being used for a long time now. I think also that if we were if we were using voting machines that had such significant error rates, I kind of think we would have discovered that sooner. And again, if his report was, there's an error rate and that's concerning that's one thing but the fact that he's trying to claim that that's a system fault when it was uh

january of this year texas rejected the machines yeah after they did tests on them from the texan texas rejected use of dominion voting system software due to efficiency issues so efficiency so not necessarily can you runfficiency? So not necessarily flaws. It's number 14. We lost internet. Okay, we're chilling. Someone's running something now that's hitting the breaker in here too. Interesting. Luke, can you unplug the fridge? Yep. It could be the compressor kicking on.

I think that should have been off. Oh, we switched to satellite. Oh, good. The light's turned off, everybody. I think we're streaming. We blew a fuse again. We're going to have to run some kind of extension cable or something. But there's the beeping.

Is it? Oh, look at that. We're still live. How are you guys doing? Does that mean the Pop-Tarts are ready? That beeping is our reserve battery. It just comes with beeping. Yeah, so there we go. That beeping is our reserve battery. It just comes with beeping. Yeah, so there we go.

So we have a reserve battery. So if the power goes out, the cameras and everything stay on, but the lights turn off because those aren't as important. Well, this is going to be fun. I have no idea what's causing all that. Is there anything we can turn off

in terms of power for some reason? I'm going to send a message to see if we can figure out what's going on. Unplug some stuff if you can. What were we talking about again? The power went out. That's right. The power went out.

The Dominion voting stuff. Yeah. Right, right, right. It was rejected for efficiency problems, so not necessarily susceptibility to error. I think – That's a pretty important – but that's a pretty important distinction, right? At the end of it, if we all agree we should have an audit, then we should have like another audit or something. Who should audit it?

What we – That's the problem. No one's ever going to be satisfied. Well, I would be satisfied if it was a actual like independent, nonpartisan thing. I just, I have a tough time. And I think that people watching, and I'm sure Tim, you can understand too, I do have a little bit of a hard time trusting that report when it comes from someone who is so obviously in favor of Donaldald trump and the conclusion that that's a really good point because i have the equal feeling about mainstream media organizations

who 90 of their stories are negative about trump or 90 plus so why would i trust them when they come out and say the inverse you see the problem yeah yeah yeah i mean i think that the mainstream media is very like and they don't like trump that's for sure so what do we do you know it's like weird that they were blocking this and then they eventually agreed to let it go like this monday but it's it's i think one of the biggest problems we're having right now is we don't really have time after an election to do any kind of legitimate hardcore doj style analysis you know or investigation we've got what a month to certify all the results do all the counting takes forever right and then once you do the election contests the official like okay i'm

challenging this also only happens after certification so all these lawsuits pop up because they're gonna then they certify then you can start challenging the you know the votes and the elections and all that stuff how do we even get to that point where we're going to investigate 150 million votes, probably tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of voting machines across the country? It's just, it's impossible. And the exploitation, you know, like it's securing a cyber infrastructure is basically impossible. So as time goes on and our population grows and there's more votes,

the easier it will be for someone to cheat. And that's just a limitation of investigatory powers. Sure. I think that that's definitely true. And I think that the more people that vote, obviously we're going to see with that an uptick in some voter fraud as well. And I don't would never deny that voter fraud happens. Of course, like people like when they have 300 million, well, that's not how course, like people like when they have 300 million. Well, that's not how many people vote. But when you have hundreds of millions of people voting, like, of course, you're gonna have some fraud.

But there's overall been a lot of comprehensive studies collected on this. Just pull it out of the wall. Sorry, man. That's okay. Yeah. Power outage. That's the first. Just leave it.

Just leave it out. It's just my sheer like awesomeness magnetic personality exactly yeah we're gonna try satellite i can see it and uh just walk in yes can you luke can you unplug the the magnet thing we're unplugging everything i don't think it's us in the room i think someone downstairs started doing something there were two circuits flipped 8 and 14 i turned one yeah i turned one off on purpose oh why because some someone is draining power somewhere else it's breaking the circuit all right well i flipped them both well we got to kill power in this room we got to probably get a cable and run it somewhere else

anyway uh well on youtube we can't say certain things about the election i don't know luke say something um there's there's a famous comment here um that a lot of people always share online that they say it doesn't matter who votes. It matters who counts the votes that, you know, a lot of people are bringing up during this kind of time here. So I think there's a lot to very important, as you said, that we do it from a bipartisan way where it's not just a Republican said or a Democrat said or a liberal said or conservative said. Sadly, we live in a day and age where the truth is no longer existent because everyone cares about winning and power. And I think if we could somehow create a system where we don't depend on, you know, people who are psychopaths, I think that would be a good system. And I think, you know, you're very careful with what you said.

I think independently looking at the things is something that we need to do. But as Tim brought up, we do have a time crunch as well since, of course, President is putting on in the RV. It can't be that. Same with yours. Just unplug them. Just unplug both the RVs. So unplug from your detached garage.

Unplug the other one. Yes. I've had the power out at 2 in the morning when I'm alone, the only one in the house away. Power keeps going out, everybody. This is fun. We think it's Luke's fault. It's just so electric.

It's easy to blame him. Blame me for everything. I think we should just blame all the white males here. Yeah, which is everyone but me. I don't identify as white. Or me. I'm pink. You're pink. I'm an accuracy. I'm an accurate. Luke, you were saying something. I was. Yes.

Well, I was saying how both of you guys made kind of good points here. There should be a bipartisan kind of approach towards this. But at the same time, we're in a time crunch. When it comes to big companies overseeing this election, there should be a lot more scrutiny, a lot more oversight. And I mean, I'm with John Oliver. There's there's something that stinks with Dominion. I think there's a lot. No, no, no.

He changed his position. He, of course, changed his position now. but I agree with John Oliver a year ago when Donald Trump was in office. Now that Joe Biden is in office, I disagree with John Oliver. Joe Biden's not in office. Well, technically, he had a whole big coughing speech today. Yes. Which everyone is talking about on Twitter just right before the show went on, highlighting

how he was coughing his way through his little accepting speech. Is that how they're going his way through his is that how they're gonna do it is that how kamala harris becomes president that's it i don't know but there's a lot of people from left-leaning twitter accounts saying god i hope he doesn't have the coronavirus from his latest speech that's literally what i'm seeing right now maybe that's maybe that's the next plan maybe that well we maybe that's the next big leftist plan is to infect biden with covid so that he dies and then they can, boom, get camp. I mean, that's basically been the theory.

That was the plan all along anyway. That's what I've heard anyway. I saw a profile picture of Biden and his jowls are just like hanging down. I haven't seen him in profile lately, but man, that guy looks wretched. Have you noticed that like a lot of people in our government look like they're just like falling apart? Did you see that picture of Mitch McConnell with like his hand like turning? I love all the obese health ministers they're my favorite i love it and the los angeles health minister as well she i mean i don't like to judge people or or comment

about their personal looks but if you're a health minister you should look alive that's all i'm saying okay nothing personal here it here one of those things like can you be a fat person who understands like health sure do as i say not as i do but yeah but it's like you want to set an example right i mean do you guys remember you guys ever see beetlejuice yes you know the part where like they're doing the uh the the exorcism and then alec baldwin and i remember the other lady's name. They start becoming really decrepit. I think it's Alec Baldwin's jaw falls off or whatever. That reminds me of people in Congress.

Yes. Like Joe Biden. Like Nancy Pelosi. Like Mitch McConnell. Who was the person that was like their tooth fell out? I don't know. Oh, that was a governor. No.

Oh, Louie Gohmert. Was that who it was? Yeah. Gohmert. All I know is he was talking and then like he saw his tooth fall out it's like why are these people falling apart because young people term limits because yes exactly there you go but i think young people are permanently children like younger people are like permanent children now so where where are the millennials who are standing up and running for office josh holly

actually where the gen xers i think that's the issue there's like a gap yeah we do have millennials yeah we do i guess we have is ran paul how old is he gen xer um i have no idea i could look that up right now he's like 50 or something that's crazy gen x those people are old now how old do you have to be to be a boomer again it's like 60s is that 60s yeah isn't that crazy millennials are in their 30s how weird yikes what does that make you are you not a millennial i'm not i've just missed the millennial because i was born in 1996 so i think i missed it by what was it one year yeah oh yeah yeah so i don't know not a millennial what what are what is that what are you gen z am i gen. You know, Gen Z is slightly more conservative than millennials in some ways.

Yeah. For the first time in like five generations, we saw a tick in the slight other direction. They're still mostly progressive. Like if you compare Gen Z to Gen X, it's almost like Gen Z is almost the same as millennial in terms of where they are politically. But they're slightly more conservative in some areas. Sure. And I think that's probably due to there being – my guess is more conservatives, more conservative Gen Z than more liberal, not that their ideology has changed. I think it's just conservative parents will have conservative kids, and because conservatives tend to have kids more than liberals, you're going to end up with more conservatives.

Sure. So there you go. I mean I was an example of that right i was a conservative kid that's yeah i was raised homeschooled i actually think you're still conservative i know can you explain that to me and why so why you think that well because you're you're advocating for the rights of private corporations to you know do as they please essentially and i was arguing in favor of regulation of corporations right and honestly i and I will admit that I haven't done enough research into regulation specifically. I am not opposed, however, to something like you talked about Section 230 reform. Yeah, I would be OK with that. I would be OK with with with talking about that. But I think

my problem is, is when people like Trump say that we need to get rid of section 230 protections when it's like they just don't know what the heck they're talking yeah he's stringing himself up with it that would be the end of all of these conservative section 230 was gone like we wouldn't be able to have this conversation live right now well we would because i'm verified on youtube ah okay and that's the way it works the elites are allowed and i think that's what's coming right do you guys see that porn hub just nuked all unverified content? Luke's not nodding because he probably discovered it manually. Luke Brown is like, here's my favorite video. Pornography is a sin.

And it's rotting away the ute of this nation and destroying their brains. And there's a strong argument. Is that a real opinion? Yeah. I mean, there's a strong argument to make against pornography and the effects, especially on young children that it's having that is rotting their brains away. Literally. I really don't like porn. I think there's good porn.

Like one out of every 30 is good. This is personal. This is anecdotal. But where they actually like each other. Okay. Okay. Hold on. We're not talking about porn.

We're talking about. Let's talk about how you can't get a partisan, nonpartisan. No, no, no, no. Listen, we're talking about how Pornhub nuked all unverified content. Oh, we're talking about bureaucracy. No, we're talking about censorship. All unverified content was removed. YouTube did this thing where it started pulling verification badges from channels.

I think YouTube is, listen, it's a long-known and Silicon Valley thing that you can't change the rules overnight. When the famous story that I've told many, many times is that eBay used to be yellow. You probably never heard this story. I'll tell you. So the original eBay website was yellow. One day they said, yellow is like off-pointing. We're going to make a white background. The next day, everybody revolted.

They were like, the site's awful. We hate it. What happened? And they were getting endless complaints from people. So they immediately changed it back. Okay, everybody revolted. They were like, the site's awful. We hate it. What happened? And they were getting endless complaints from people. So they immediately changed it back. Okay, okay, yellow. Then the next day, and for every day then on, they slowly incremented one tiny bit towards white. Until a year later, the website was white.

No one cared. Because no one noticed. Exactly. No one noticed. So what's happening now, I think, is you see Pornhub does this. And everyone's like, well, it's Pornhub, whatever. That makes sense, right? Because there were crazy accusations about you know Trafficking and underage girls that I always I did always think that's kind of weird like anybody could upload stuff to like to Pornhub

And I'm like, how do they verify the ages of these people? You know I used to yeah I used to think that same kind of like you probably got to verify that kind of stuff right especially if it could be trafficking You need to make sure there's you know, these people are consenting to this stuff. But then I just think what's going to happen with YouTube. They did the verification removal wave where all these channels got their badges removed. Actually, if I could just really quickly cut in. Because I remember that happening.

Because I was actually one of the creators that got contacted by YouTube. And I was told that my creator badge was going to be taken. And I was like pissed AF about it, obviously. And then YouTube quickly said they weren't going to be taken um and i was like pissed af about it obviously uh and then youtube quickly said they weren't going to do that yeah they because there was a an out there was a revolt right and that's the point right just how is that censorship though well censorship is just like you know hiding information yeah but like taking the checks away wasn't that's not censorship so it's it's frogs in a pot? Now, since then, they've been pulling people from the partner program. Instead of doing a wave of removing badges, they said, okay, we got to do it one by one

individually to random people in different communities so that no one gets angry and starts a news cycle about it. Since then, they've purged tons of channels. This year alone, YouTube said in their own statement, 8,000 channels have been deleted. So that's how they slowly start getting rid of them this year alone youtube said in their own statement 8 000 channels have been deleted yeah so that's how they slowly start getting rid of them without causing an uproar the reason i bring this up is in term you know in the section 230 conversation yeah what i think is going to happen is eventually youtube's going to be like you have to be verified to produce on youtube so that's why i said we'll probably be fine because i am a verified youtube

channel they never threaten to take my badges away. I have direct contact with people at Google. They tell me when there's rule changes, I can call them, and they clarify. And then they like me in that regard, because I'm rather milquetoast, I suppose. Well, the boiling the frog analogy is good, because not a lot of people know this, but Scott Adams and Jeff Burwick just had their channels totally taken off. And just like you said, same thing kind of happened to me, but then they got rid of my partner program later on. And I'm like, wait, what's going on here? And another important thing that YouTube announced is that they also will start putting advertisements on channels

that are not in their partner program anymore. So they could put ads on mine and I'm getting comments saying, hey, there was an ad. I'm happy I happy i got you know i was able to watch it for you luke and i'm like i'm not in the partner program anymore and that just happened a couple days ago are you verified like in a check mark i used to be verified i i believe they took it away as well with the partnership program yeah so so i think i think one i think what's going to happen next is they're probably not going to say anything because they don't have to but channels that don't have verification probably already are d ranked in the algorithm yeah i i can't speak for i know i can't speak from anecdotes but god my channel is doing horrible right now and i'm verified so but that's because you like that's because i left the right right

well yeah if you build an audience up where you say something like, you know, backflips are the best. And then all the backflip fans are going, yeah. And then you change. I was wrong. Front flips are better. They're going to be like, boo. Right. And that's exactly what's happening to me now.

Yeah. But if, you know. I start purging my audience of some farther right people, unfortunately. Have you thought about making a new channel? No. Because, no. It's challenging enough right now to try to manage the one. And it's just like, like, when I when I announced that I was leaving the right, having built, you know, a conservative audience, I knew that was going to be extremely controversial.

And I knew that it was going to be pretty detrimental to my career for the time being also, as far as like view counts and everything goes. Which is one of the reasons why I get really frustrated when people call me a grifter. They say that I just ditched the right and joined the left for the money or whatever. And I'm like, I lost like 50,000 subs so far for acknowledging that I'm no longer, that I no longer really aligned with the right.

I think the hardest thing would probably be to just choose to be wrong, you know? Yeah, it was hard to i'm kidding oh really i was making us oh no no i'm sorry i thought you meant choosing to acknowledge that you were no no well i guess that's a good point because i did do that you decided to leave the right i'm kidding by the way what did you what did you take start to take issue with that you used to believe uh well i started well okay i started taking issues just with the right wing kind of in general first, which – and I know that conservatives, they're very broad. I'm not putting – I'm not trying to prescribe this on all conservatives by any

means. But my experience anyway, I felt like especially the further right you went, tradition took precedent. And so it was tradition over really anything else, even if that was at the expense of other people's rights. So I have a total problem with people who, although maybe not conservative, would be far right, having those people being against gay marriage, because it's not traditional. Well, Trump's for gay marriage, and he was pro-gay marriage before he even ran for, before he ran. And then he was the, he's the first president to be pro-gay

marriage before becoming president. Yeah. So he he entered office he had that famous photo where he's unfurling the lgbt flag but that's not like he's but that's the problem is that's all he's done he's done he's been very detrimental for the lgbt community i mean well but maybe the gbt community but i think there's a lot of uh lesbians that are actually very very much in support of him he actually has a really large base of gay men too interestingly peter theo spoke at the RNC, and that was the first time a gay man spoke at the RNC. More importantly, Trump gave a speech at the RNC and got the Republicans to clap and cheer for the for the LGBT community. That was I mean, you know, that may just be clapping. It's not really policy. It's virtue signaling, honestly, because what Trump's doing is he's signaling to this

virtue that he's pro LGBT. But yet now that he's been in government, they tried to – the Trump administration asked the Supreme Court if they could stop gay people from adopting despite there being repeated longitudinal studies which show that kids raised by gay parents do not fare worse than their straight couple counterparts. Did he ask or did he do it? Well, he wanted to do it. Do we know that for sure? Is that source? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can look it up. Trump went to, I believe it was Donald Trump went to the Supreme Court, if you want to

look that up. Again, I don't know all the details off the top of my head, so I'd love to have more info right here. But was there a. Oh, wait, wait, wait. I think, are you referring to when he said adoption agency should be able to reject gay couples? How long ago was that?

So this is June 4th of this year. I thought it was more recent than that i thought he was talking about a time specifically where he wanted to taxpayer funded organization should be able to refuse to work with same-sex couples and others whom the group considers to be in violation of its religious beliefs yes i'm not saying i agree with it i'm just here's the specifics i think that that would still kind of fall in line with violation of lgbt rights especially when you talk about like there are a bunch of kids in our foster care system right now there and and gay couples obviously are far more likely to adopt because they can't have children. So I mean, do surrogates or, you know, well, yeah, you can do surrogates. But also there's a lot of kids that need homes that need loving parents.

And I'm I have two children. I'm a dad. I'm married. i i am a strong proponent of the nuclear family actually that this is one of my most conservative traditional viewpoints so you're pretty anti-black lives matter then no i know i know where you're going with that though but what do you mean like one of their core tenets is disrupting the nuclear family i don't know if that's one of their core tenants on their web it was on their website it was on the right there until they pulled it out exactly because of backlash but the website i don't i

don't well i'm not i'm not saying like an individual who's cheering for i'm saying like the organization itself yeah i don't like the nuclear family and i don't like blm organization but what i was saying is so i was right well i like blm the movement but not the organization well that was a friend of the organization so you agree sir sure yeah um but yeah no i'm a big proponent of the nuclear family but what i always say is that the nuclear family is just two parents raising children. It doesn't have to be a straight couple raising the parents. So raising the kids.

So science actually agrees with you on that one. Yeah. They haven't been able to make a determination if who's living in the system, that's terrible. Right. So, you know. But yeah, there was a report that came out where it said like the science so far that we've done can't determine between traditional parents of like a man and a woman or a same-sex couple. Right. The children are benefited equally as far as we can tell so far right so far exactly and and i know that yeah i

don't know if it's the same study or another one but i've looked at ones too that showed that they usually actually when children of gay parents um fare worse it's because of like social stigma because of the gay parents uh not so much like because anything to do with the gay people necessarily but yeah i mean that that's one instance i guess of donald trump um expressing some anti-lgbt sentiments just one of them i i don't think that trump is like this malicious anti-gay president um but i also think that he's a bit virtue signaling when it comes to that trump we're just saying a lot yeah yeah like tweeting repeal section 230 uh it's a really really bad idea but he's trying to let conservatives

know like i'm fighting for you and it's kind of like but you're giving them what they want when you say that like right these democrats would are like no wait trump don't because they want it to happen they want 230 gone said he wanted to imprison people that desecrated the flag yeah yeah that was stupid insanity yeah so but a lot of a lot of conservatives agreed with him stupid virtue signaling if it's your property and you want to burn it so long as you burn it safely i got no problem either virtue signaling or pure idiocy yeah see that's that and that was one of the that's like another thing that i was really concerned about with trump is just his approach to free speech with with his calls to repeal section 230 with his calls to uh to make it

easier to sue media companies um right like what we were just talking about i think that well suing media companies isn't a bad thing it could be if you could be more liable laws and stuff i mean yeah that was definitely the stop criticism of him i believe well the issue is that there's a really tough standard right now from a ruling called Times v. Sullivan where media outlets – you have to prove they knowingly lied, and it almost never even gets to the point where you can. Right. So there's things called anti-slap laws. Basically, the New York Times could publish whatever – well, here's a better example. The Today Show outright lied.

They used clever language in how they lied. And if I did sue, they'd just be like, get out of here. But I'm like, if we went to discovery, if you allow this case, I might find their messages where they say, hey, does this sound legit? Because I know it's not true. Who knows what they're saying behind the scenes, but you never even make it there. So I definitely think there's room to solve some of these problems. I actually think the solution is if there's a defamation, I should be able to sue for a correction if I can prove it was false. That means even if you make a mistake, I can say, I would like you to correct this. If you say no, I can sue you. And the relief from the court is publish the correction if it's proven in the court to be true. But we don't

even have that right now. So something has to be done. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I know before we went live, you were showing me some examples of like media bias and stuff. And I would never deny that the media is incredibly biased. And it's I mean, it would depend on the publication also. But I like your idea with the defamation thing. That would Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually, because it's weird right now where a news organization will publish something false. And then someone will sue and say, Hey, someone will complain, it's false. And they and say, well, we're not going to correct it. It's like if. Come on. Like, that's just dirty. Yeah. Yeah. It's but you can't sue for that. You should be able to.

I don't know how you get to that point or how a law is made. If you did, would they have to pay for court fees as well? Yeah. If you proved it to be false, then they should be responsible for the court fees, because that means before you went to court, you attempted to resolve the problem. So or I should put this way. You know, if you don't attempt, you attempted to resolve the problem. So, or I should put it this way, you know, if you don't attempt to resolve it, then maybe no. But if I contact you and say, hey, this article is incorrect, here's the proof, and you say F off, okay, I'm going to sue you, and when I win, you'll be responsible for court fees. If they say F off, well, then it's their

problem. What about damages? No. Okay. If it's not intentional, and you can't prove it, that's the problem. Like if I say something like, you know, Ian Crossland was wearing a blue sweater. Don't say it. Wearing a blue sweater. Don't defame me like that. And I was just like, you know what? I made a mistake because I – The lights were off.

The lights were off and it was an honest mistake. Then we need that leeway for error. Yeah. Otherwise news organizations couldn't function. But we can't allow them to just be like, I lied and you can't do anything about it. That's where they're at right now. Right. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely think that like there's there's room for conversation there. But I think that Donald Trump's calling to repeal libel laws and the way he said it, too, is so we can make a bunch of money or whatever. I don't I don't think that it was coming from a sincere and nuanced perspective like what you have. I think that it was coming from media companies are criticizing me and i want to be able to sue them easier i mean i don't know you talk to a trump support i'll tell you one thing you talk someone hates trump to tell you the other so as far as i i can tell is i just assess it on the merits yeah is there a good reason to go after these these you know the current system absolutely it's kind of messed up

yeah so i just you know well i'm glad we agree on the the flag burning thing though you agree that that was oh yeah so it's a it's it's you know traditional the the left and the right in this country have uh have flipped it's what are they calling it's the realignment i guess yeah the flippening or the realignment so like uh you know 10 years ago for instance julian assange biggest hero to the left right now they hate his guts a lot of leftists do however want him pardoned as well so it's it's more like the neo-lib establishment left who were never really the biggest fans of him for the most part anyway but nobody likes them yeah but they're the establishment i think what what really happened is that when trump got elected the establishment cronies from the republican party went to the Democrats, their next closest alignment. But we are seeing an interesting alignment where like I guess you voted.

Is it publicly voted for? Yeah. You voted for Joe Biden. Yeah. See, like for us, we're I think 10 years older than you. That would never happen. That's like because Bush is essentially a neocon. He's a he's a warmonger.'s a you know an interventionist he as part of like the obama administration prosecuted more journalists and whistleblowers uh on you know than any other under the espionage act more than all the other presidencies before him combined yeah so so the left has become like even uh like the left has become the authoritarians it used to be that the republicans like when i was growing up were the moral authoritarians and the authoritarians george obie bush started these wars and they wanted to ban

like i've got art downstairs where it's from the card game magic the gathering and in the 90s the right got some card art band had to be changed today the the band cards i have now came from the left getting art band so it's like you know it's flipped. The left is now very much so in support of these intelligence agencies for the most part. They're supporting Joe Biden. He's stacking his cabinet with lobbyists and corporatists and Goldman Sachs, all of the worst corrupt people imaginable. And it's like that. That's exactly why I voted for Donald Trump.

There's a reason why I went down to Occupy Wall i was like you know the system's broken and there's a reason why i'm like joe biden's a bad guy because joe biden was vice president during occupy wall street when all of these leftists were coming out and complaining interestingly enough too you know in 2016 we had the rnc and the dnc right do you know uh the left didn't protest the republicans do you know they protested yeah the democrats really the left showed up in the thousands tried storming the barricades to break into the dnc nobody went to the republican convention trump was down there i was in where was that was that is that florida no no 2016 that was um cleveland it wasn't atlanta was it no i don't remember charlotte yes there was one in Charlotte, yes.

Well, Trump was there and he's like, you know, giving a speech to the Republicans where he says, you know, these people, you know, I think he was talking about the Pulse nightclub shooting. He said, there's a lot of people who have religious differences with this group, but these are Americans. These are our people. And they were attacked. And everyone starts clapping and cheering meanwhile the democratic national convention bernie sanders gets ripped off and the left is like trying to knock the barricades down and jump over and storm into the building so the left was protesting now the weirdest thing happens is you get like these faux progressive corporate you know independent commentators on youtube and such who are just like the machine is right i you know my favorite thing is is how like rage against the

machine the band is very much rage for the machine now or rage on behalf of the machine they used to say things like what's the famous line f you don't tell me i won't do what you tell me now they're saying f you you better do what we tell you yeah how so so uh like lockdowns for instance the left is very much in favor of the lockdowns and a stimulus like that's the antithesis of where the left would have been a while ago definitely in favor of more socialist policies and stuff but not letting the government just decree that we're going to bar you from leaving your homes which they're doing and they're cheering for i think my favorite thing about like joe biden is when he said truena on a shot but a pressure and the audience was cheering for him it's like

now that's something remarkable shout out to cassandra fairbanks for pointing that out yeah yeah yeah it's like everyone's cheering what are they cheering for so weird or batacath care i think you know what happened is i think uh you weren't old enough and i mean this with no disrespect you're 24 that's fine you're 24 right yeah you like so like luke and i went through occupy wall street luke actually questioned democrats on brock obama drone bombing kids and things like that and I went through Occupy Wall Street. Luke actually questioned Democrats on Barack Obama drone bombing kids and things like that. And either got lied to or had people say like, yeah, well, he should have had a better father. Who was that? Was that Gibbs?

Yep. That's Barack Obama's spokesperson and his right-hand man throughout his entire political career, Robert Gibbs, who came out and literally got angry. He was like, he should have had a better father. Yeah, yeah. Like Obama dropped a bomb on a kid in a civilian restaurant. 16-year-old American citizen. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah.

I mean, Obama's... And Obama was the VP... I'm sorry, Biden was the VP. He was overseeing Iraq. And his brother got a lucrative multi-million dollar contract for construction deals. It's like the amount of evidence that has come out against the Bidens, and it's just like completely ignored by the left because either they're just tribalists who don't care. And so they're like, I just want to win.

And it's funny because they're the ones saying the cons want to own the libs. I'm like, dude, you just want to own the cons. All you want to do. It's so funny hearing you say this, because with my experience, I feel like I've seen the same exact thing happen on the right. Oh, the right just wants like they want to own the libs. And there are people who go on twitter and just do you think that the right is like heavily ideologically driven like i've seen i've found that the right tends to already have kind of a set of like presuppositions and then they go out of their way to find uh support for their already held beliefs rather than the other way

around which is trying to approach it neutrally and then forming your opinion based. That's both the left and the right. Do you think it's both? It's absolutely. Yeah. So like, oh, yeah. And I would agree that it's both for sure. That's why I mean, that's why I like to.

But right now. So so right now, the right has more of the critical thinkers and it's cancel culture. It's basically why. So you'll see like I was down at Occupy Wall Street. It wasn't really – I didn't agree with a lot of them because they were very just like – they're extremely racist people. Like it was one of the most racist things I've ever experienced at Occupy. But there were a lot of economic populists there who weren't necessarily in line with the weird racism stuff and there were fights over it. I think the left has become like predominantly racist relative to where the right is.

How so? So Occupy Wall Street, they segregated voting blocks based on race. Well, that I just can't even speak on that. But would you agree that's racist to be like, we're going to allow you to vote for how things are run here, but we want all the brown people here, all the black people here, all the Mexicans here and all the Asians here. And you're all separated based on your color and you can vote only one vote per group, no matter how many of you there are. so if you have like that's fair no

no no i said that's weird oh right right right so that's that that so that's what's like what's happening at these universities with like critical race theory stuff so they'd be like there's 10 white people three asian people and 15 black people you all get one vote based on your race so you get three votes but that makes no sense because there's different numbers of people that's what occupy was doing it's extremely of people. That's what Occupy was doing. It's extremely racist. And so that's when I started being like,

what is this crazy stuff, man? Anyway, the left has become particularly authoritarian in their application of things. Well, how have they become authoritarian? Besides the lockdown.

Yeah, the lockdowns. So you also have cancel culture, right? But censorship, supporting massive private corporations. Corporations are essentially authoritarian structures. I'm going to have to ask you more about this.

See, I'm such a leftist and you're such a conservative. No, it's okay. It's just how are the leftists supporting corporations? Censorship. I mean, Donald Trump gave tax cuts to corporations, right? He gave tax cuts to everybody. But substantially more so to the corporations. But what is, what's wrong with that?

Well, his- That's actually fairly libertarian. Well, no, the problem with that was that he was going in there hoping that by lowering corporate taxes, we would see more businesses coming back to the US, but that's just not what happened. Well, the economy did do ridiculously well in 2019. But that wasn't because of Trump. not who was it because of it was because it's an economical fact that after a recession the economy always comes back stronger after a recession 10 years ago yeah

go ahead look up the i'm not saying you're wrong i'm saying if you can't give it credit to to trump then you can't blame uh george bush for for the recession you can't blame obama for the recovery what did trump do to help with the economy? What did Trump do more specifically even to help with unemployment? Tariffs. There were immigration raids on processing plants, which resulted – like it's a right of factors, but – Tariffs didn't do – that cost American taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars per job. In subsidies.

Per job bringing back to the US. Right. That's true. That's. Right. That's true. That's the point. That's how the economy works. So if you want to save money for the businesses and the elites, then you allow them to send their jobs to China, for instance, where they pay people garbage and there's human rights abuses.

Lowering. So let's take a look at what Joe Biden, his plan is. There's two big things. He wants to increase the minimum wage to $15 an an hour and he wants to raise corporate taxes by about 10 if you go to a corporation a manufacturer say someone who makes socks and say we're going to raise your taxes by 10 you've got to pay all of your employees 30 more they're going to be like dude you're squeezing me dry i can't afford how am i supposed to do this don't worry don't worry we're going to have a free trade agreement and you're going to be able to run your factory in China.

That's what Obama was doing, and it worked. When was the last time minimum wage went up? Very, very long time ago. So should it be increased? No. Even though it hasn't been adjusted for inflation or anything? Yes. So there's a bunch of problems outside of the minimum wage,

and the minimum wage is not a solution to the problem. So you need to sit down and talk with a small business accountant. That's exactly what I did to better understand the issue. I talked to an accountant who represented like 300 small businesses, and I said, we have a problem because people don't have money to spend. If they can't spend money, businesses can't take in money, and they can't pay taxes, and they can't hire people. So we want the machine to flow.

And yes, completely correct. However, a hard increase of 30% or so, because this is what we saw in New Jersey, he said, here's what happens. He's like, I just lost 30% of my clients. They shut down their businesses. Why? These people who run these small businesses, they're corporations too,

and they have like 10 employees, but the owners aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination. They might be paying their employees 10 bucks an hour because all they can pay. And then the guy who runs the business is only getting $50,000 a year. He's making a modest salary for him and his family.

Well, then all of a sudden they come in and say, increase your wages, your costs costs by 30 plus employment taxes right and all of a sudden this guy's only been making 20 000 a year and he says i can't afford that i'd rather just go work as a manager you know at corporate for walmart or something so that that has the impact specifically in new jersey when they pass this law is when i talked i went to an accountant to ask him you know tell me what's going on he said he lost a ton of business. Accounts were canceled and businesses just shut overnight. You can't force the economy to just increase. There's one good thing about the minimum wage, and it's about exports. If everybody in the U.S. is getting $15 an hour, that means everybody can

afford something made in China better. And that's been one of the biggest strategies of Joe Biden. If we increase the minimum wage, increase corporate taxes, we'll have all our factories go to China because Joe Biden and Obama were very much in favor of these free trade agreements, notably the TPP and now the new agreement that they've recently negotiated without us. Joe Biden's going to get us in that day one. We're going to lose our jobs here. But the good thing is it will make it so that somebody who works at McDonald's who makes 15 bucks an hour can more easily afford the iPhone made by the slaves in China. See, I think that's horrifying. And ultimately, it's a downward trajectory where we lose all of our jobs.

And then eventually, America just sustains itself off of printing petrodollars. And that can only work so long as we're blowing other people up and threatening them that if they you know disagree with our say building an oil pipeline or natural gas pipeline through syria then we arm the rebels in syria to destroy the government and wipe out whole cities which is basically what happened right right but i mean i don't think that like all the corporations would go to china no the manufacturing ones the ones that could maybe so trump you know that just out of curiosity for the joe biden uh 15 minimum, do you know if that's just across the board or does that only apply to certain corporations? Don't know for sure. And to be honest, I don't think he would do it.

I think he would fail and he would try it. What we should do instead is give employees like a percentage of corporate profit. That way they only get extra money if the corporation – That's Bernie Sanders policy. Yeah, that's like worker co-op stuff, right? That's, but I'm not... That way it wouldn't extort the business. It wouldn't run them out of business

because they're already making the money. I completely disagree. You know, that's like, isn't that market socialism? Is that what it is? That's Bernie's platform. That's like worker co-op stuff, right? Where everybody works and...

It's a completely, completely bad idea. But keep it, you'd have to do it in some sort of scalar form. I'm not educated in that. I'm not about to support or deny... Do you'd have to do it in some sort of scalar form. I'm not educated in that. I'm not about to support or deny it. Do you know why the farms failed in these socialist revolutions, in these communist revolutions? Depends on the revolution. Well, like basically every time.

In the Chinese one, it's because they made a bunch of scientists go do the farming. A bunch of artists. People who didn't know how to farm. Exactly. And they killed birds. And they killed birds. That was funny. And they told everyone to like melt down their tools or whatever whatever like this is a bunch of weird weird stuff uh when you take a bunch of people

who don't know how to do something and then give them control over a system and they can't do it it fails yeah we saw that in zimbabwe we saw that in china with the sparrows being killed out wiping out an entire population which led to famine i feel like we see that even with the trump administration i mean how so trump has put a lot of people in positions of power that are not preferably quality. Oh, he did. John Bolton. John Bolton is definitely the biggest one in there. Who was Jared Kushner?

I mean, I was doing this. I don't know. Jared Kushner negotiated this historic peace deal. So I was looking into it, man. And Jared Kushner and all that kind of stuff. It's pretty corrupt. It's his daughter's husband. Yeah.

I mean, Donald Trump has literally, Donald Trump has actually used the establishment to line his own pockets how uh well for one donald trump was because he of his position in government he well first of all let me let me back up here when donald trump uh was facing you know critics and stuff he said that once i become president i will not do any more business dealings um and he passed his business down to eric and don jr um fast forward a little while later and there is a complex it's worth 33 million dollars and it's a government subsidized complex okay but the trump uh i guess eric and don jr technically want to sell this along with a bunch of other real estate as well. Well, it's a government subsidized complex, right? So Donald Trump went over to his little buddy, Ben Carson,

and had Ben Carson approve that purchase. So that's Donald Trump or the Trump family, essentially, right there making $33 million from selling a complex, a government subsidized complex that he was only able to do because of his position in government. So that's really concerning. I guess the question is, was the approval out of bounds? Or was the approval in bounds, but Trump was able to grease the wheels? Was the request officially made? Is there like a record?

Is there like a document of Donald Trump saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you straight up. There was an advertisement for Trump properties on a State Department website that got like a huge red flag and had to get pulled. Donald Trump suggested using Trump to rally in Florida for what was it? The G7, I think. And there was a huge backlash even among conservatives saying, you can't do it.

And he's like, but we're going to give the government a cheap rate. And they're like, we don't care. Donald Trump used Trump properties for Air Force personnel who are flying to Scotland and said, yeah, but we gave it to him at cost. And there was still a big backlash even from conservatives who are like, dude, you're still maintaining your business by doing this. So Trump got reamed pretty hard for that. Now, Joe Biden, Joe Biden's son was flown on Air Force Two to China for a billion dollar private equity deal where his family was given a five million dollar forgivable interest free loan. And when Tony Bobulinski found out they took the money,

we told him not to do it. He came out and blew the whistle. And he and he said the Bidens are compromised. Or you've got the Ukraine Burisma deal where Matt Taibbi, a liberal formerly of Rolling Stone, reported there were at least a dozen or more investigations for criminal activity into Burisma where Joe Biden's son was working. And Biden personally flew out after their PR company reached out to the State Department saying, why are you investigating? Stop this now. Joe Biden goes out there and says, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you ain't getting

a billion dollars. Quid pro quo. I can't. I cannot. I'm sorry. I can't. Those are facts. I can't stand by while this is. Those are facts. No, no, no misinformation no it isn't do you watch a video donald donald uh first of all hunter biden did

not earn 1.5 i didn't say he did was it 1.5 i didn't say he did 1.5 billion i didn't say he earned any money did you not just say i said he was flown in air force 2 by joe biden to negotiate a private a billion dollar private equity deal in China. Yeah. Now, I read about that. And that's definitely not a good look for Hunter Biden. One hundred. Why was why?

Why was Joe Biden using government property to fly his son for private deals in China? Whether they got the deal or not, it was probably corrupt. It was probably corrupt. I'd say it was. I think there's corruption. Again, there's corruption on both sides here. But if I'm forced to choose between Donald Trump's information. Well, the misinformation here I was referring to the there's a lot of sides here. But if I'm forced to choose between Donald Trump. What's the misinformation?

Well, the misinformation here, I was referring to the there's a lot of misinformation about the 1.5 million. But I know you didn't bring that up. 1.5 billion, which that was only like a goal. They were trying to make 1.5 billion in capital. Attempted murder. Still a crime. And then you said that they got a $5 million forgivable interest-free loan. That I actually haven't heard about.

But Joe Biden did not get that special prosecutor fired. You're wrong. You're so wrong. You are so out of your depth, bro. Did you see the video of him talking about it? It's my understanding that this prosecutor was fired for doing a poor job. You're wrong. Name the prosecutor.

I don't know. Exactly. Victor Shokin. Can we find out. Can we play the video? Sure. Well, we're not going to play the video of Joe Biden saying, but I'll break it down for you because Matt Taibbi is not a conservative. The UK froze the assets of Mykola Zlachevsky. He's the guy who founded Burisma. So you don't have any idea what you're talking about right now. Zlachevsky was under criminal investigation. When Joe Biden intervened, there were at least a dozen investigations into him and this company. Hunter Biden was put on the board for seemingly no reason, probably to garner influence. When asked about it, Hunter Biden was asked, if you weren't Joe Biden's son, would you have gotten this job? He says, probably not. So even it's his acknowledgement. That's why

they brought him on. We also have the emails where when he's doing his Chinese negotiations to talk about the big guy, and that was confirmed by Tony Bobulinski. I digress. Victor Shokin was the prosecutor who signed a sworn affidavit in court in Ukraine that said he was investigating active investigations. And Joe Biden intervened and put pressure on him. And he had a meeting with the president after the president was told we're not going to get the billion dollars. And he said to him, you're being fired. And that was it. So when you have the PR company and these emails are publicly released, you should probably read them where they're saying, why are we being investigated? The vice president's son is on the board. And then what was like a couple of months later, Joe Biden flies out there and gets the prosecutor fired. Here's the best part.

If you're saying the prosecutor was doing a bad job, my question is, how come the new prosecutor who came in cleared Burisma of all wrong, cleared Zashevsky of all wrongdoing, allowing him to return to Ukraine after he was under criminal investigation? And it's only after Donald Trump got in and started pressing things, he fled to Monaco. So if you don't know any of this, you can't just come on and say it's misinformation, because I've done so much reporting on this. I just want to know more about the more about whether joe biden actually played a role in getting the prosecutor fired oh okay let's play the video i don't want to see the

video i want to actually see an article do you want to hear joe biden say i got him fired because he because they wanted a billion dollars and i held it over their head he literally did say it do you think it's odd that hunter biden was getting paid tens of thousands of dollars in a position that everyone knew he shouldn't be in. He never had any experience. The board position. Yeah. The board position.

Yeah. I thought that he took an unpaid job with that. No, he got paid tens of thousands of dollars and he profited a lot from it. It's kind of like what I've already been saying is I recognize that there is corruption on both sides. It was to my understanding that Joe Biden didn't play a role in getting that prosecutor fired. But if I'm wrong, I'm... Let's play the video. Let's listen to the video. I said, no, I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You're not the president. The president said, I said, call him.

I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars. I said, you're not getting a billion. I'm going to be leaving here. I think it was what, six hours. I look, I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars. I said, you're not getting a billion. I'm going to be leaving here. I think it was, what, six hours. I look, I said, I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. Oh, son of a bitch. Got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid.

Someone who was solid, who cleared Lucheski of all wrongdoing. And then after Trump got in, they reopened investigations and he fled to Monaco. So it sounds like based on the fact that the PR firm for Burisma was reaching out to the State Department that Joe Biden admitted he used a billion dollars in guaranteed loans, something he's not allowed to do. That's what they accused Trump of doing. He doesn't have the authority to do it. Only Congress has the authority to do it. Joe Biden illegally said you're not getting a billion dollars unless a prosecutor gets fired. Matt Taibbi.

You know who Matt Taibbi is? Rolling Stone, liberal, hates Trump. Wrote an article, he said, about how crazy it was that if you actually did any amount of basic journalism, you found a dozen or more active criminal investigations in this company. In fact, I don't know. There probably is. If I could just really quickly, like, I will 100% concede again that that yes, there is corruption on both sides. I hadn't seen that video before. So I will be 100% willing to look more into that. Yeah, that's the video that I was asking specifically. Yeah, I'm glad that you played that for me. Because I mean, I'm always open to learning new information. And some, but also, I've been wrong about plenty of other things before, too. I'm not afraid to acknowledge it. Yeah, this is in the news also today as the Department of Justice just announced that they're investigating Hunter Biden specifically with his Burisma ties. That's today.

That's today. That's good. Let's find out what's going to happen here. There's also new emails showing that there's close to $400,000 that were unreported income from Burisma when it comes to Hunter Biden. So it was more than $83,000 a month. Yes, yes, yes. And this is important to understand here on the backdrop of the Attorney General resigning today, since, of course, William Barr actually hid a lot of this information before this election

and also made sure that the subpoenas surrounding this particular investigation weren't released after the election. Now we're finding out some of these subpoenas. And this could be one of the reasons why William Barr, the attorney general who said he saw the Epstein tapes that were supposedly deleted, resigned today. Sorry, that's another side topic that I just borrowed. That is another side topic. But this is important news because this broke today and they're specifically looking at burisma so this could this could blow up in everyone's face

very soon let's let's pull the story real quick it literally goes right back it goes right back to what we were saying about the dominion voting thing like i've heard different information than what i was just told now but i would be more than happy to see an investigation into this i don't want our politicians to be corrupt. Unfortunately, they both are. I mean, even like Jared Kushner, like I think it was a, was it in Saudi Arabia? Yes, he negotiated better weapons deals

for Saudi Arabia. No, that's not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about another radical Islamic country. I can't remember. No, it was Qatar. And they said that Jared Kushner, allegedly they said that Jared Kushner was in his pocket. So I think that there's a lot of corruption on both sides. And I think that if anything, like, I didn't vote for Biden because I liked him. Okay, not at all. I don't I don't like Biden. But I was kind of stuck between Biden or Trump. And I felt like Biden in this instance was a little bit of a better option, especially as just as a dad, there were a lot of things I was seeing with what Trump was saying that I just couldn't align with. I mean, I know we talked about the flag burning thing, but

even Trump's like 1776 commission with like trying to explicitly teach children a biased pro-American viewpoint, like my daughter's almost two and i don't want to think about it but i know she's going off to school soon right i don't want her going and being taught like a brainwashed like the 1619 project like they're teaching right now homeschooler well hold on hold on is the six and this is something i want to know is the 1619 project being taught in schools yes is it a curriculum is it. Is it a curriculum? It is. Really? Because that is not what I saw when I read that.

When I looked up- Whoa. Did you just hear the wind blowing? Yes. That was crazy. That was awesome. Was that outside? Yeah. What?

What's going on tonight? It's the dark winter. Wow. It's the dark winter. It's coming. 1619 Project and critical race theory. Critical race theory, more importantly, is being taught as basic curriculum across the country.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the 1619 project although historically inaccurate and very stupid uh i think that it's being taught in maybe some select schools but it's not like a national curriculum right i'm pretty sure it well maybe new york times like maybe you can say yeah yeah and schools are teaching it like crazy because these teachers they they hold this idea that's that's like crazy where where is it happening here where's this where's well you know i follow james lindsey for this stuff to be honest i i don't know where the i actually was unaware that the 1619 project was being taught widespread in schools what is the gist of it the 1619 it's it's a historically inaccurate account of basically america's founding and they argue that america was founded on um

like i don't even fully understand it either because i just know it's stupid and from education next educators around the country are indeed teaching the 1619 project what precisely students and other interested observers are learning is another question the 1619 project is certainly educational or at least instructive but not the uh not only in the ways it was intended and they explain what it is in the classroom uh random house children book children's books announced plans to publish four 1619 projects books for young readers one young adult etc etc so yes yeah yeah i mean so that that would definitely be a problem but i would be better that they learned like a very patriotic pro-america or a very anti-america

it would be better for them to learn a the truth truth about America and not have a bias. What's the truth? The historically accurate account of how America got started, right? Based on which, which art, like which author, which literature. I don't know. Do you know? Well, so an example would be, some might tell you notably like the New York times that America truly started in 1619, right? That's their opinion. I think even the author of the 16, or even one of the people on 1619 acknowledged that it wasn't really historically accurate yeah it's funny because only like way later after like they started getting attacked relentlessly non-stop but they won pulitzers for it so this is this is just my problem though is see this is donald trump trying to combat this 1619 project by doing something that i would argue is just as bad

i don't want a biased. So what was his curriculum that he was going to teach? He was going to teach a pro patriotic, which would be explicitly biased in favor of America. That kind of a curriculum, like that's brainwashing also, right? Yeah. We want to teach kids the truth. And listen, here's something else. I promise you, I know this sounds like it's unrelated, but it is. One of the things I talk about a lot on my channel is the fat acceptance movement, which are the body positivity people, the people that are really fat that claim that, oh, just

who cares about health? Let's just love your body. I've always argued that if you love your body, you would work to change your body and work to improve it. And I think the exact same thing goes for the country. I, as a dad, like I want this country to be better. I want this country to be better for my kids and i don't think that you can push for genuine and accurate change if you have a brainwashed interpretation of america and that you like star wars that goes for the 1619 project as well not

really you don't you don't like star wars not really did you watch the original yeah what do you think that with like luke skywalker and Skywalker and Tatooine and the Death Star? Of course. What do you think about it? Yeah, it's all right. Who do you think? Do you like Luke Skywalker in the Jedi? Yeah, sure.

Yeah? You think what he did was cool? I haven't watched that movie in a really long time. And admittedly, I have not researched on my Star Wars before coming on this. But Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, they were cool, right? Sure. They were heroes. Yeah. Yeah.

You think it's cool that some scraggly religious zealots from a desert planet took a cargo ship and blew up a military base? That's Star Wars. I guess so. And that's not, like, that point is made by the left when they say people watch Star Wars and don't understand why they're cheering for it. They're cheering for a religious faction from a desert planet taking a cargo ship and rebel fighter pilots

and then blowing up a military base. It's actually clerks, I think, you know, with the, what was it, the Kevin Smith film

made a really good point. They were contractors and janitors and like regular people just working on this base who had no idea what was going on and they all got killed.

According to the guy in clerks, people that are contractors have political bias so they choose to work at those companies so they may have had a company they may choose to work on a military base so when al-qaeda blows it up that's your own fault the point is you talk about being pro you know trump's pro-america view of the world and it's like sure you could argue that the founding fathers were insurrectionist terrorists who were just greedy slave owners and wanted to wanted to reject the crown because

the crown wanted its cut. And furthermore, the British were defending the seas for the American colonies. The ingrates were angry over a tea tax because they don't want to pay their fair share. Well, I kind of ridiculous, right? Yeah, of course. And I'm not saying that that's the alternative to Donald Trump's approach. What I'm arguing for is a just a historically accurate interpretation maybe that's what would have happened of the of history well that's not that's and if that was how it was told that wouldn't be historically accurate well that's based on you know people's interpretation because you could interpret history in many different ways but i agree with your point that our kind of higher learning institutions are in our school institutions are corrupted but i don't think it's's because of Trump. I think they've been like that for a very long time, especially

since their institution under the Rockefeller policies that wanted to make good factory workers. And that's essentially what kind of school is in our modern day and age. So there's a couple of things that come up to mind when you're talking about this. One interesting one was the recent decision by cornell university that recently decided that they're going to be making the vaccine mandatory the covid 19 covid 19 uh vaccine mandatory but only for white students i was wondering yeah it's a true story is that actually a true story yes yes cornell vaccine mandate only applies to white students and the best part is hold on hold on there's more too. In Oregon, they're doing grants for COVID that only go to black businesses. So it's like, what?

Yeah, so when you have institutions like that that are hired by the state money. Can I have a little more context on that, Cornell? I could send you the article if you want and we could look into it. That sounds bizarre. There's also another incident that I would love to get your kind of feedback on. In New York City, we have the school superintendent literally arguing and trying to make it a mandate that if there's a poor white kid and a middle class or rich black kid, that school resources should predominantly go to the black kid, not to the poor white kid. We got it from the College Fix.

Cornell vaccine mandate only applies to white students, saying, quote, we recognize that due to longstanding systemic racism and health inequities in this country, individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements. For example, historically, the bodies of the black, indigenous and people of and people of color have been mistreated and used by people in power, sometimes for profit or medical gain. It is understandable that the current compact requirement may feel suspect or even exploitative to some BIPOC members of the Cornell community. Additionally, recent acts of violence against black people by law enforcement may contribute to feelings of distrust or powerlessness.

While the university strongly recommends that non-white students comply voluntarily because longstanding social inequities, inequalities and health disparities have resulted in COVID-19 disproportionately affecting BIPOC individuals, they will be granted an exemption if they cite their racial identity. I mean, that's definitely very bull. That's definitely like some bullshit right there. I think what they're doing is like, because systemic racism, for example, is 100% a real thing. But that is probably the dumbest, most idiotic way imaginable. But that's all of what it is.

But it's not, though, because you have like you do have your name. Me a good policy. You have your what do you mean? Like name a name? If that's an example of like doing it wrong, what's an example of rectifying systemic racism correctly? Sure. So in these, for example, majority black communities where they are have much more rates of poverty

and higher rates of crime. Obviously, the reason for the high crime rate is because of poverty. So I would, like, I'm not a policymaker, but I would like to see more investment into those areas because if we were, for example, able to open up better businesses, give people more jobs, hire people, that's step one. That's gentrification. You're talking about sending in the white upper class to black neighborhoods to gentrify the neighborhood to price them out you're a racist no no no i'm not

arguing for that at all no i'm not then no what i'm arguing for is investing in that country what money where's where's the money come from it might be this is called gentrification no when the city is when the city when white people move in and then rent prices go up that's that that's a simplification gentrification if they come in and then rent prices go up? That's a simplification. Gentrification. If they come in and they start putting all this money into buildings and infrastructure, and then the property value starts skyrocketing, these black families are going to get priced out, taxed out, and they're going to get kicked out. That's not what I want to happen. What I want to see happen is more business investments. So let me ask you a question. If more businesses

start popping up in these neighborhoods, right, will property value go up? You tell me. Well, the answer is yes, of course. More business means more taxes, means more commerce, more tax revenue, better streets, better buildings, better repairs, and tax goes up, right? Right. What do you think happens to these poor black families who now can't pay the higher tax rates because their property value went up? Well, that's the problem right there is, see, I don't want these big companies to just come in, start opening up and then raising the prices. What I want is to see a proper investment into this area where not only is it just people coming along. Investment from who? Into what? Listen, listen, listen, you understand

what you're saying is extremely racist. You're promoting the eviction of black families. No, no, no. What you're doing is you're trying to use this like liberal hypocrisy thing on me i know i know what i'm telling you is what you're advocating for by the left is considered wrong i don't care what the left thinks i'm not a leftist but i'm not on the left or the right i stand by my positions that's what i do what when i'm telling you that you're proposing a policy to end systemic racism, you're not. That's not my policy. That would be one option here. So listen.

Another option would be we need to stop funding schools with the taxes collected in that neighborhood, obviously, because that creates a vicious cycle where then you have poor people going to shit schools and it repeats forever. That's another example of what we can do to fix it. But again, I'm not a policymaker, and I recognize that what I've said about investing in those areas is a rather surface level and simplified version of what I think could help. For me, I'm more interested in talking to people about systemic racism right now, because we first have to acknowledge that the problem even exists before we can go about fixing the problem. And how would you define systemic racism? Well, I define systemic racism a little differently than I think a lot of people would. For me, systemic racism would be, it's oftentimes like you can see it in history, and then you can see it today still. So you can

see where that racist policy was created, how it affected blacks, and how it's still affecting them today. Or any other minority group. Or any other minority group or any other minority group sure like systemic racism majorly majorly majorly majorly affects like black people for the most part but yeah there other people can be victims of systemic racism too does it does it predominantly affect black families or black people yeah and that's because and that's because a lot of the reasons that black people are in the position they are today is, of course, because of historical racist policies from America. Like redlining is a perfect example. And blockbusting. Yeah, yeah.

I mean there's plenty of them. Even the war on drugs, right? Which, I mean, Joe Biden further exacerbated with the crime bill. Like there's plenty of – CIA. Luke, you know about CIA and crack, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

There was also the crack versus cocaine thing. Let me tell you. The modern left right now doesn't understand what systemic racism is, and neither does the right. They think systemic means institutionalized. And so it's really hard to have a conversation with people about systemic racism because they immediately think institutionalized. So their response immediately is like, well, then tell me about an institution that's like, no, no, no. I'm talking about systemic. And they say, well, you mean historical. I'm like, yes, that's what systemic meant. The

system created a problem. We're not talking about the institution of policing or hospitals or schools. We're talking about the easiest example I give to people is, because I did a documentary on this, Pruitt-Igoe public housing in St. Louis, the St. Louis County racial housing covenants in the suburbs. Most people don't realize that St. Louis isn't one city. When people say St. Louis, the St. Louis County racial housing covenants in the suburbs. Most people don't realize that St. Louis isn't one city. When people say St. Louis, they're referring to like 90 different cities. All of these little tiny cities that surround it going westward that were formed because white people were fleeing the inner city due to increasing poverty and crime and because of racism. They created new townships and then immediately enacted racial covenants.

So these are laws that are no longer legal. But it basically created a system that created a two tier like I'm oversimplifying things for sure. But you basically create two tracks where one is doing well and one is doing poorly. You get rid of the laws that made this problem happen, like redlining or blockbusting. And now we're dealing with the generational after effects of why these people are in poverty, why there's crime in their areas. The problem is we're now at a point now where after we've gotten rid of the racist, racist laws, we had racist law, we had racial covenants, and now we have the modern left advocating for bringing back racial law. And I'm like, well, that's the stupidest that you've ever heard. Like talking about policies directed towards different races or affirmative action like policies. You're just talking about creating more laws. Like look at it this way. If you went back in time and said,

we're going to create a law for white people to protect them, then people would argue, but it's just a positive thing. It doesn't hurt them. It's, you know, well, no, it's creating a disproportionate effect, which will result in one, you know, group of people doing better than the other, which will lead to poverty, crime and other detriments because you're essentially – you can make the argument, but ultimately you have a two-track system, create systemic racism. Today they're saying basically the same thing. And if you look at like Ibram X. Kendi, his argument is that we need more discrimination. That's what we need, more discrimination. And that's like, OK, he would have fit in really, really well with the people in the 50s who wanted separate but equal.

That's basically what he's advocating for. He says the solution to past discrimination is present discrimination. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like that. Past – present discrimination what, towards white people? No, towards everybody. Oh, like he just wants to continue being. Yeah. So so his idea is like, you know, I'm trying to steal a man's argument that if you have people who are disproportionately affected by past historical precedent and laws, then we need to target different communities based on race and discriminate positively or negatively,

meaning negative towards one group that's doing too well, like Asians, for instance, and positive towards the Latinos who aren't doing as well. Yes. Yeah, I would disagree with that entirely. I don't think that we should be stifling one to try to bring them down i think what we should try to be doing is helping the communities that are where they are today because of american policies in the history of the past get to where everyone else is i don't i've never agreed with this idea of tearing one down to try to bring one up kind of crap i know that there's a lot of like libcucks

and people that advocate for crap like that. But no, I would never be in favor of anything. Well, there's different issues to really kind of consider here, because if you're going to try to help people who are hurt historically, you know, what about the Polish people who were subjugated by the Nazis and then the USSR? Well, there's also, I mean, we can go about, like, I think there are going to be different ways that we can address different kind of historical like oppressions. But the main reason that I think it's so important that we focus on black people in America right now is because this is a really prevalent example of where a huge group of people are still being greatly disproportionately affected by policies that although are no longer like on the books, the results of that, those policies still exist, right?

So the problem now is having done away with those laws, we've at an end with the passing of things like Loving v. Virginia, we've now created not just one community. It's not just the black community anymore. It is the poor neighborhoods. And. It is the, you know, the poor neighborhoods. And I'm not saying, you know, not all black neighborhoods are poor.

If you look at where Obama was, you know, in Hyde Park, it's, it's, it's very well off. So targeting it based on race is a mistake. You don't like,

we don't want to, we don't think the Obama family needs help. Certainly not. They're some of the smartest and most accomplished people in the world. Well, I do think I, so singling out race would be, you know,

well, I mean, obviously it's not to say that all black people are living in poverty and i wouldn't say that to fix systemic racism we have so the answer is class-based resolutions well i would argue that the reason see the reason that black people are in poverty is because specifically because they are black because they were discriminated against because of that so So that's a bold statement. That is extremely dangerous to say.

Black people were historically discriminated against, and that's why they are today. That's what we were just agreeing on. I feel like I've had more than enough guests on this show who would completely disagree with you and are literally black. I don't care. I mean, that's identity politics. I'm not concerned about what black people think. You're not concerned with what black people think. You're not concerned with what black people think? You're the white guy saying you know what's right for their community and you don't care what they think?

No, not at all. What I'm saying is that— And that they're all poor. No. Yo. Did I say that all black people were poor? Did I say that all black people were poor? It was very generalized.

Did I say that all black people were poor? No. You said that they're poor. The sole reason they're poor is because they're black. No. Oh, good one, Tim. Isn't that what you said that they're poor the sole reason they're poor is because they're black no i oh good one tim isn't that what you said what did you know i said they are they are discriminated against for being black so it is it's based on race because they were discriminated against in the past because of their race right obviously they're not poor because they're black they're poor because the black people are disproportionately poor because black people

were discriminated against in the past because of their race. That's wrong. You know why? Why? Because what about immigrants who came here like 10 years ago? That's entirely different, actually. Are you talking about Nigerians? Haitians?

I mean, I'm not too familiar with Haitians, but I know Nigerians, for example, are cited a lot of the times as an example of like how can systemic racism exist? And a lot of – I agree systemic racism exists. I just think that we shouldn't use race as the factor because you've got multi generations of families that have now existed outside of the confines of racial covenants and racial laws. You have immigrants for generations who have come in and face completely different circumstances. Sure. And if individuals are racist, there's no real hard solution for that because, you know, people still have some level of freedom to associate. Now, I'm actually fairly liberal on a lot of issues, particularly like I think if you're operating a business in public, you have to we should have laws saying you want to run a bakery and someone comes in and says, I require service. You give it to him. Now, the specific example with the baker in Colorado was that he wouldn't write a message. It's very different that, that I actually think he shouldn't

have to do. But if I own a, own a shop, you shouldn't be able to say this particular group is barred from entry. That's wrong. Sure. Yeah. So if, if, if we're dealing with a way to solve systemic racism, which exists, it's actually impossible to solve by using racial law or saying we're going to give money to a community based on their race. Because you'll end up giving a Haitian immigrant, you know, and it's not the same circumstances. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think that this is a bit of a misrepresentation.

And again, I understand that I'm not a policymaker here. So but no, I'm not saying we just go give money to black communities. I'm saying we would invest in, yes, in those poor communities that oftentimes, unfortunately, tend to be black as well. And the reason for that is because of historical inequality. So I'm not saying that racial laws are the solution, but I'm saying that acknowledging that black people are where they are today, largely because they were discriminated against because of their race.

That's just the fact of the matter. It was they got a bunch of the slaves basically came from their discriminated against because they were like the descendants of slaves and didn't have any money coming out. There was no historical wealth. When we look at when we look at American history, we see a history of a lot of immigrants, of a lot of discrimination. A lot of different groups were discriminated against. But I particularly wanted to get your point on the New York City school superintendent saying, when there's school resources, it shouldn't go to the poor white kid. It should go to the middle class and even upper class black kid. Yeah, I mean, that's dumb. That's very dumb, obviously. I mean, we're talking about, this is like, this is such a huge problem that the left does all the

time, which is where we are criticizing systems and then they apply that to an individual, which is really, really a problem. I mean, white privilege is like a perfect example. Like you can talk about on a statistical level, white people might have some level of privilege over other groups. But if you then go up to one single white guy and be like, off privilege white boy that's like a problem because it's you're supposed to be compassionate towards people and ruthless towards systems right that's uh kind of like what i like to the bigger problem i think with like the concept of white privilege is that it's actually majority privilege you know like if you you can't even like you personally would not succeed or survive at all in east asia oh sure i mean and i do think that yeah it is

partially majority privilege for sure it's's like whichever group tends to have more access and more wealth and control of more systems, people tend to favor. So I'm just going to be straight up with people. This is a fact. They teach you this in sales. Sales 101. You got to run, man. You got to run fast. So they teach people this in sales that people react better to those who look like themselves so naturally if you've got a big area that's 99 white you know these people who don't interact with other groups and people who look differently then there's going to be a bias and it's going to be harder for that person to succeed in that in that environment and especially if they're like uh like a white person going to East Asia,

you can't even own property in some of these countries. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's terrible. I mean, tell them that. They'll tell you to go away, and you can't do anything about it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean... What's causing that? Yeah, it's not my RV, which you tried to blame. But another thing... But I have to say, one of my favorite things is seeing manual labor, low-paying job people

being lectured by Hollywood billionaires about their privilege. I think that's also another phase here that people need to realize. There's a lot of establishment kind of corporatist language kind of pushed in this that, as you could say, is very virtual signaling. Cringy. It's very cringy. And I'm happy you could at least admit that and we could have an honest dialogue and conversation. You got to remember, I used to be like the wrecked feminist guy i'm not here to like no libcuck shiller yeah yeah you know i appreciate the conversation because we could understand where you're where you're coming

from and we could understand your point of view and perspective and and it's not just my party's always right you know you're willing to kind of not at all that's i would 100 i would concede that easily yeah yeah and i think that's critically important and that's something that's especially missing in today's day and age of dialogue, which is all dominated by I'm better than you. This side. Exactly. And, you know, that's another big thing that I was – that as I kind of found myself sort of going away from the right that I really discovered is how harmful labels seem to be also. I mean, this idea that like, oh, I don't know if I can support this idea, because that's a liberal idea, or that's a right wing idea. I'm so sick and tired of that for now. Like, I just like to look at ideas that I support or

that I don't support and why support them or why don't and go with it that way. I'm not concerned if it's generally a liberal thing or a right wing thing. And I think that that's, I think that sort of like looking past labels is an important step in trying to find an agreement, because I think that like, white privilege is a really good example. So like, far too many times, people hear white privilege, right? And instantly, they're like, Oh, okay, this is just a stupid liberal. I don't need to listen to anything this person's saying, which is understandable, considering most of the time that we hear about white privilege, you're right. It comes from virtue signaling little smug losers that think that, oh, I need to go lecture the working class on how they're actually privileged. What white privilege actually is, and when it's explained

in a proper way, it's only accepting, it's only acknowledging that white people most likely will not be facing difficulties because of their race, whereas that's much more likely to happen to black people. So you can be like a poor white person. And when someone says you have white privilege, first of all, I would disagree with telling a poor white person they have white privilege to begin with. Well, I would say that's a very kind of generalized kind of statement. And it all depends on the circumstance. All depends on the situation. All depends also on the location that you're in. So, you know, that, I mean, a good example would be that there was a, um, um, a study

done several years ago now where they, I'm sure you've all heard of this study, actually, where they sent out a bunch of, uh, job applications. Um, some of them had like cliche white sounding names and then others had black sounding names they had the identical qualifications okay the the uh um the black names were far more likely to not get a callback compared to the white names so i think that's an example where maybe it's easier sometimes for white people to get a job simply because i have a standard white name and maybe that is majority privilege maybe you can call it a majority privilege. I mean, there's laws in California where your board members have to be a specific

color ruling the other way. There's a lot of quotas and government agencies that mandate you have a specific person of this ethnicity or this ideology or sex inside of your business. So I mean, that particular study, I'm not aware of, I would like to look into it and study it more. But there's also the opposite happening, which needs to be called out as well. I don't like quotas either. I mean, I think that's a pretty generally bad idea to try. And what you do is you don't get genuine push for diversity or genuine people that like appreciate having a diverse workplace. Instead, you get people that are doing it just because they have to and it hurts everyone in the long run it hurts everyone

in the long run and also if i could just add really quickly like there have also been studies that found that diversity does benefit the workforce and that when there's diversity in the workplace like productivity is better creativity is better uh efficiency is better all that so i agree that diversity makes the workplace better but i think when you're forcing that under like a quota then yeah you kind of fall back into that cringy corporate defined diversity. I mean, it would really depend, I guess, on on the context, it could be racial diversity. It could be diversity between like men and women, I guess. I know that there are there were some kind of was it the Grammys quota or something?

The general idea is that diversity of opinion will lead to better success because you're getting a wide range of options and then you work through to find the best one. What's happened is that the left is kind of right. When they say diversity is strength, it's like, yeah, but when your idea of diversity is ideological homogeneity and people just look different, that's not actually diversity. The original idea was that if you have someone from India and someone from the U.S. collaborating on a project, they're going to have wildly different perspectives, which can actually result in finding a solution a singular ideological group could not discover. Instead of, you know, actually saying, we want people of varying thoughts and opinions and backgrounds to come together,

they're saying, so long as you all completely agree politically and look different, we've accomplished diversity, which of course is not. You'll end up with a bunch of people who can't actually solve any problems because they all think the same thing. Right. And I mean, that's obviously cringeworthy. I'm all for diversity of thoughteworthy i'm all for diversity of thought um as well as i'm all for diversity i mean you'll hear a lot of conservatives like criticize multiculturalism for example that's a pretty common buzzword i hear from a lot of

people on the right but multiculturalism and diversity ultimately has only gone to better our country ultimately define multiculturalism uh multiple different cultures in our country so like which cultures though i i just i know that generally speaking like right now we are a multicultural country because we have plenty of different cultures in our country um and like we're the world superpower we have subcultures but you know the problem right now is that there's actually there's there's two dominant cultures and it's resulting in people killing each other in the streets what do you mean well like the like michael reinhold shooting you know aaron danielson twice in the chest is a cultural

difference so when when conservatives say multiculturalism they're referring to two you know more than one culture come you know existing coexisting next to each other without an overarching parent culture guiding the actions of all the individuals within. So so leftists usually think multiculturalism works. America is a good example. If you're talking about, say, like Ukrainian village in Chicago, Little Italy, Chinatown and things like that, what you're saying is that all of these different communities have agreed to abide by American's cultures and norms. Oh, no. When did I say that?

I'm saying you, like the rhetorical you, like when the left argues for multiculturalism, they're explaining that you've got America as this big umbrella and a bunch of smaller cultures

underneath it. So if you come, it's like someone from China comes to the US and opens a restaurant and brings their family, they abide by American laws and American customs and free speech and courts and all those rules that don't exist in China. It's one of the reasons many people want to come here.

What the right is saying is that if you have leftist, socialists, communists, SJW, critical race theory, and you have it next to a different culture, which is libertarianism, individualism, et cetera, they clash they fight they rip each other apart in that sense multiculturalism doesn't work in the sense of having a bunch of different immigrant communities all abiding by american law norms multiculturalism does work depends on how you define it yeah but i think the general idea of multiculturalism have taken if you take the word at face value, multi-cultures. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I got it. I don't know what's going on. It's probably the wind and also the weather conditions outside that are probably adding to this. I just always hear the beep and then I'm like, the Pop-Tarts must be burned. Yeah, exactly.

If we're still rolling, as Tim takes care of this, was there a specific kind of blue pill moment for you that turned you to that side? Was there a moment or an instant? Well, there's like the red pill, blue pill kind of analogy. I don't know how else to describe it. I think you could describe it better. But was there one incident?

Was there one moment? Was there one thing that happened to you that made you kind of switch over? Yeah, I mean, there was definitely it was definitely not like one thing. Not at all. It was a very long process, actually. And it's funny, because I know you had Vosh on here a couple a couple weeks ago, but he's actually a big part of this story. So what happened was, you know, after I found out that my then girlfriend was pregnant, I went through a lot of personal issues and thought that I had made some mistakes here and there. Long story short, I turned out to be completely wrong about my initial approach to, like, how I was handling this. Sorry, we're just dealing with a—

No, no, no. I just want to make sure I'm not— Just pull it out. It just—I was—I was—I thought this was, like, something, like, breaking up with my then-girlfriend at the time was something that I really did feel strongly about. And I thought it was the right decision after doing a lot of like thought into it. And this was something that I was really, really serious about and believed really strongly. And then it turned out to be catastrophically, totally wrong. And so I think that kind of set in motion this sort of subconscious like if I was so wrong about something I thought I was so right about, is there anything else like this in my life? And it was around this time of like a lot of contemplating, right, when I was challenged to a debate by Vosh, none other than Vosh, right?

And, you know, we had a long debate. And obviously, I think he beat me. And he particularly provided some pretty good points on LGBT issues, which I know we're not really going to talk about that today. But since that was something that I was so notorious and like being against and that kind of further set in motion, I was like, wow, now not only am I kind of contemplating my ideas, but now I'm being challenged and seeing a lot of data that seems like it's pushing back against what I originally thought about some of these subjects. So from there i just went on to do my own research and kind of went through it and it wasn't until april of this year that i actually announced i'd left the right so a lot of people will say oh hunter lost one debate with a fat communist and then became a liberal that's not what happened so let's make sure it's

you know earlier you talked about the importance of the traditional family uh that seems also in line with a lot of things that are happening in our society that's breaking down because if you look at the traditional family you could see it in decline a lot of people kind of point to it for a lot of the problems in our society do you also see it the same way or well what do you or why do you have such a you know strong value and strong opinion strong opinion on traditional families? Yeah, I mean, I think that if you're raising children, traditional families or the nuclear family, meaning two parents raising the kid, I think that that is undisputed that that's the best environment for the child. So for me, I support traditional households when you're raising kids just because that is proven to be the best thing for the child right now.

But I wouldn't support traditional, like I'm fine with people living their lives however they want. I'm all about traditional family for myself. And I think that has a lot of benefits for raising kids, but I don't think that that should be prescribed on anyone else. So if the traditional family is in like decline or not, I'm not as concerned about that

because I like to assume, now I would wanna know why it's declining, that. Because I like to assume now I don't I would want to know why it's declining, right? But I like to assume that it's probably because of people choosing to either pursue different career paths, or maybe more, you know, more people are able to be gay or be bisexual, or who knows, like, I think there's a lot of different reasons there. That's not particularly a concern of mine, though. Like I'm, as long as the reason behind it is good, I don't really have a problem with that. Got it. So. What do you, what do you read for news?

All over. I just, I read all over. I don't have, like, one source that I go to. I may, usually what'll happen, right, is I'll see something on Twitter, and I'm like, I don't know about that. And then I go and look into it from there. And then, you know, or it's, it's just if it's a subject that i'm interested in i'll i'll research it on and read from different sources um so i it's the it's the biggest determining factor in your political alliance is what you read for news really the left overwhelmingly trusts mainstream news organizations even though

they're caught endlessly lying and exaggerating and you know putting out garbage and the right completely distrusts them so the right tends to go to either right right leaning outlets or often to their own detriment like fringe outlets that often has a bunch of bunk information as well so that's like the two two sides of one coin right it's like different ways to get a bad news diet right exactly you know so it's like but the interesting thing is there's there's a uh one city i often said all the time it's on my twitter somewhere the uh liberals or the left i hate calling them liberals because they're not liberal but the left gets 95 of their news from mainstream or left biased sources moderates get 60 from left biased sources and

30 from right biased sources the right it's inverted 60% from left biased sources and 30% from right biased sources. The right, it's inverted 60% right, 30% left. So conservatives know what the left is thinking. The left doesn't know what the right is thinking. As evidenced, my favorite example is when the hashtag proud boys was taken over by the left. And it was a bunch of photos of gay men kissing. And then they were like, take that proud boys proud boys you know calling them homophobes and stuff and then people started posting the photo of gavin mckinnis the founder of the proud boys

making out with miley annapolis like i don't think you guys know anything about this group and they clearly didn't so they're all doing these clap back snap backs thinking they they're they're owning the cons i don't really think that no idea or inserting an item up somewhere which we will mention on this show but another thing to really watch out if you're getting news from you from like social media is the echo chambers that are naturally created there by the algorithms that literally give you what you want to read to keep you on their platform yeah yeah absolutely and i don't i do not get my news for social media i recognize did you watch on that netflix documentary a little while back on the social dilemma yeah i

did not yet it talks about how the algorithms on the social media platforms are designed to keep on feeding you the stuff that you're already like yeah so yeah you do get into an echo chamber so i don't get my news from social media what i mean is if i see something on social media i never take it at face value what i usually like to do to form my opinion on something is I like to read about it from multiple different sources. And I would prefer actually to read a far left bias source, a far right bias source, and then hopefully somewhere a little more in the middle in the neutral. So, I mean, that's obviously oversimplifying it. Yeah, absolutely. Well, considering the power is going out, I think we've had a really great conversation.

So I want to keep going. But let's jump over to Super Chats and and then we'll just carry on from there. We have a lot. Unfortunately, due to the power outages, we lost the first hour of Super Chats. We lost the first 40 minutes. Kind of a bummer. That is a bummer. Yep.

Should I read the really mean ones, or should I just try and keep things constructive? No. There's a lot of one-direction comments. Say no. Don't read them. They're all don't read them they're all mean towards you they're all mean towards me some of them are okay but that's that's the point like you know all right go ahead hit me up i can handle the hate monolithic ethos says hunter is afraid to debate act uh debate actual justice warrior see i don't know if it's like gonna it's gonna spark drama or something no no it's it's fine don't don't worry about that we can to spark drama or something. No, no, no. It's fine. Don't worry about that.

We can go to the next one. That is this one. You know what? I'll tell you. That's this one dude who has this small little following that's made like 10 plus videos on me. Oh, man. Yeah. No, he's like, it's so creepy and annoying.

And he's also been caught misrepresenting data multiple different times. So I told him this. I said, yeah, I'm not really interested in debating you and you're super slippery and i've seen you lie about data multiple times and of course now you know it's actually because i'm too afraid so continue positive gerald says this kid gone learn today perhaps none of these waxes america first is inevitable okay let's see john schwalb says Hunter has no idea how the adoption system is built. The kids waiting for adoption are handled by the state. Babies given to adoption agency have couples wait for a year

until the baby becomes available. You know, I've read a bit about that. Like, it's really hard. There's like a long wait times and stuff like that. Yeah, it's really challenging to adopt, but I don't see how that's an argument against gay people having the right to adopt, right? I think we gotta get as many of these you know kids without parents to parents yeah i mean

yeah it's such a process that's why so many people go to russia and china to adopt their children which is a lot easier and quicker than going through the process in the united states which is a problem in and of itself so i'm gonna i'm gonna read this next super chat but i want to say first and foremost uh we were we were discussing some things before the show and i have i i don't care about people's opinions if you tell me that you feel you know we should do this thing this way i'll tell you why i disagree or whatever but i can't tell you can't tell someone their opinion is wrong but dane miller says this dude left left the right and became extremely misinformed thank you tim for showing him the way been watching for a long time now keep up the good work here's my first donation merry christmas so i think that there's one moment we've had where i

think you were misinformed that's the hunter biden stuff in burisma i will and that's and and and if you didn't know and you know that's fine my opinion on whether or not joe biden is a bad person is my opinion the facts are he did these things my conclusion is is you know after the fact sure all right let's see tom says tim did you hear about the 1.95 million chinese communist party members embedded with western governments or corporations that got exposed the other day i did hear about that and i'm sort of waiting on it because two things have you noticed the u.s media kind of not reporting on it? Yeah, the British and Australian press are going crazy with this. I covered this in my video. This is amazing. I mean, we're talking about thousands of communist Chinese party members infiltrating institutions of

influence all over the world. We're talking about individuals being a part of making the vaccine. 123 communist Chinese party members were on this list that helped make the COVID-19 vaccine. And again, when we look at China and their coronavirus records, there's a lot to worry about here. But when it comes to intellectual property being stolen,

when it comes to even these Chinese agents working inside of the British consulate, we're talking about huge implications that are extremely vast. I'm going to blow your mind right now. Go ahead. One of these Chinese communist agents was elected president. I'm kidding. Yeah.

I don't think we have that. We have a lot of... Joe Biden? Come on. That was the joke. I know. I know. It's a dad joke, I guess.

It wasn't a dad joke. I didn't say it was a good joke. I was going to say, I'm the dad. You got to run. You got to run, man. Get to him. You got to run, dude! Yep.

Go eat it. Because we're going to... Our computer's going to shut off. This thing can only handle a few minutes of downtime. We have like a 10-minute buffer before it shuts off completely. That's still pretty impressive. We're still live, though, this time, because I switched to the satellite internet. So we're still streaming, even though the power cut out.

You know what we're going to have to do? Because this is a new thing, but it is. The wind was so loud. We heard it in here. People are mentioning in the Super Chat. The wind is probably causing surges, which is resulting in outages. So welcome to living in the mountains. Yep.

So, yeah, you voted for communist Chinese Joe Biden. You must be glad that – I'm just kidding. Yeah, yeah, of course. Let's see. JR biden you must be glad that i'm just kidding yeah yeah of course let's see jr says you made a really good point tim i own a small corporation i have six employees plus myself i pay them between 10 and 15 an hour i made 50k last year yeah that was uh that's that's the story i literally went to an accountant and i was like what do you think about this house is going to impact you and the guy was a democrat he was like he voted for democrat he's new jersey votes for democrats all the time and he was like they just don't know what they're doing when they raise wages it's a shock to the

system like punching them in the gut we want wages to go up but it feels like a seven-year-old solution you know what i mean like you're sitting there and you're hanging out with your friend like your friends and you're all drinking your beers and you're and you're talking about the economy and your kid walks up and he's seven years old and then your kid stops and he's listening and you say you know one of the problems we have is we need more buying power for the for the working class in the lower class but if they're only making 10 bucks an hour you know we need to figure out how to get those wages up and he goes the government should just make it so that you have to you have to pay him more and you, okay, you can't just say that.

Like the money doesn't exist. If a small business doesn't have the money to pay people, they can't just do it. But if the government says it, then they have to pay it. It's like, okay, dude, you need to sit down. We did it. I think there are benefits to increasing the minimum wage, as I mentioned earlier. It means that if everyone in the U.S. is getting paid the same, they can buy foreign goods because the rate – the labor in other countries doesn't change. And if, say, like the minimum wage increases in a big city, it's easier for the people in the big city to buy goods that are produced in lower cost of living areas.

So that's one benefit to a national minimum wage increase. The problem is it has to be done in such a way that doesn't just shock the system and result result in businesses shutting down which is i think what they will probably end up doing well i think there's a reason the super powerful corporations are always calling for more taxes and regulations it's because it's going to help them out in the long run let's see freestyle says tim pool china is not to be a part of the tpp check what tpp is about well the tpp doesn't exist anymore it was crushed and china was not a part of it but the new trade agreement in the pacific does include china no the new trade agreement doesn't include china no are you sure yeah because we did a segment on this before i'm pretty sure no they're not involved i'll look it up the one with like canada and these other countries yeah

well that's good news i guess well there you go um maybe that's what they're referring to the new deal the new trade agreement well there's probably going to be a lot of tariffs there's going to be probably less of a trade war between China and the United States with a Biden presidency. And I think we're going to see that. As we heard from Di Dongsheng, it is tremendous good news that Trump lost. Wink, wink, as the audience laughs, because they're the ones who helped Hunter Biden become as wealthy as he is. The one that got created, it's called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. This is the new one. The new one.

China's not in it. TPP-11 or TPP-11. No, no, not China. It's Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam. Mute Metmaker says, I remember watching Hunter's channel

back in 2017 and it scratched my quote, Lib gets owned with facts and logic itch. Now that I'm a bit older, like him, him 24 i find myself caring less about social issues i just want the government off my porch excuse me that's fine you go yeah i mean i i care about social issues but i also don't want the government involved so gone fall says i really feel like hunter is trolling when he was full-on conservative he didn't sound so flamboyant maybe he is infiltrating the left or being a lefty some sort of sickness or being a tribal or is being tribal contributes to this factor. I don't know.

Can I just say that like I'm not sure how I've demonstrated being tribal. Like I'm fully willing to criticize both sides here. And I think that there are plenty of flaws on both sides. Both sides-ism now? Geez. I'm pulling the both sides card oh man there's a lot of funny comments but i can't read all of them some of them are mean to me too mean to me they're all mean to you they're all too mean

i wouldn't say they're all mean to you but they're all like comments about you being misinformed or something okay that's fair not all of them i'm reading you know i mean i don't expect i expect you know the majority i didn't expect a lot of your audience to to love me necessarily. So, yeah, I mean, to be critical of other people, man. But how hard is it to be deeply introspective about your own flaws? How many people get online and make videos and talk about their own ignorance? Very, very good point. We have a tweet, a message from Iahi Gusak, who's Ukrainian, who basically said the things I was saying about Ukraine were well known before it was reported in the US and that you were unaware. Which thing about the Hunter Biden, Joe Biden?

Yeah, like the viral video about Joe Biden saying, give me the billion dollars, otherwise you're fired. That's the kind of issue with censorship. Why didn't you see that video? That video was crazy viral, but it's because there's censorship and suppression echo chambers and algorithm suppress that video that video got false flags on facebook and like missing context flags which deranks it in the algorithm so simple answer yes it wasn't outright banned though and then like a lot of the fact checks are like well there's a lot of context missing and they say things like it was in line with u.s policy to

have this man fired and it's like it and you know it was yeah they emailed the state department then joe biden went and intervened yeah it's funny how joe biden as soon as the obama obama and biden get into office and uh biden's put in charge of the operations in Iraq. His brother gets these contracts. Politico wrote an article called Biden Inc. that maps out Joe Biden's positions and how his family is just magically right there to get all of the benefits from it for 50 years. It's a remarkable stuff. So the way I put it is, yeah, I think Trump's played. I think I think Trump's played ignorantly dirty, like, you know, oh, I'm going to give it that cost.

That's a great deal. It's like, no, dude, that's still, you know, you're putting any money from the government to your companies with your control is a conflict of interest. And you can't do that. I also think people like Trump, I said this before, have a kind of capitalist corruption to them. I don't know if that's the right way to put it. But to put it simply, you guys ever see Back to School? I think it's the name of the movie with rodney dangerfield yeah there's that scene where he's in the college and the professor is like you know giving a lecture on how to make widgets or whatever and then he's like this is all wrong and he goes on

and explains how you actually run a business because he's like this rich guy who went to college and he's talking about you got to save a couple bucks to grease the wheels the inspector is going to come in basically breaking down the dirty things these businesses do to make a ton of money along the lines of trump lining his own pockets with his political savvy, is him running his own personal Twitter account. He doesn't use the POTUS account. No, that's a free speech issue. Okay, but he's also, as soon as he's not president, he now has 80 million followers.

He'll be banned outright. Because of his time spent in politics, he's enriched his own personal fame. And so is Obama, and so is every president. Obama used the POTUS account. He didn't create a personal – I think that everyone who's in public office, though, like obviously gets more famous. You could argue that AOC inflated her fame as well. She has a personal account.

But I don't think that Donald Trump – Yeah, AOC is her personal account. Yeah, Donald Trump gaining fame from the Twitter account I don't think is – But building yeah aoc is a personal account yeah donald trump gaining that's what she uses from the twitter account i don't think is but building that's an actual business tool like building that as an asset is kind of like should politicians be building their assets like well you want to make an argument about politicians shouldn't be allowed to make any money outside of public pay and their pay should be tied to the median income in this country i'll have a conversation with you about that we're tied to a public account of some such no no i'm not worried about that account you know what you know what i like i i like if congress got paid the median the median salary of the united states and if there was ever

a period in which there was wide scale like government shutdown then they shut themselves down too if the government gets shut down they don't get paid in order to raise their salary they have to raise the median the median salary of the united states i'm not literally advocating for this because there's actually arguments for why we should pay politicians ridiculous sums of money because we don't want them to be incentivized to do things outside if like we told a politician after you retire you're guaranteed like a ridiculous sum of money they're going to be like why would i risk losing this they won't be going to rate the owner of monsanto right exactly yeah i don't know that's necessarily true though it's just there's there's some arguments one of

the arguments is tie their salaries to the median salary of the United States, and they'll work really hard to get that median salary up. And they'll be advocating for analysis. And is it up now? Is it up now? You want a raise? Average worker salaries have to be up. But I don't even know if that's a good idea, because then they'll just be like,

I don't care if I get paid or not. You'll only get millionaires and billionaires who are actually in office than the people who don't care about the money. So I think that was something Andrew Yang brought up, that if we give politicians a ridiculous sum of money, you'll have middle class people be like, that's a good job and I wouldn't want to risk it. And then you'll actually have an incentive for people to want to stay there. It's an argument people don't understand about nonprofits too. People complain that nonprofit CEOs get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well, sometimes millions. They have to.

If a nonprofit is they're still a business. If they're not competitive, they're not going to get good CEOs. And if it's a nonprofit that's got like, you know, 3000 employees, you've got a massive infrastructure. You're going to need to pay top dollar for a good CEO. Granted, most of these nonprofits I've worked at, I think they're all scams. That's just me. Most of the charities are. Yep.

China Crypto says, Tim, this guy has no idea how economics works, nor has he any idea of how the world works. Insane and insanely dumb, super low IQ people

being KOLs is one of the reasons why social media is making the average IQ of the mass lower. Now, I just want to mention, if you're saying you left the right and you're coming on my show you know you know i i

apologize if people are going to be you know you know my little motto is the guy you love to hate so that's everywhere i go i i get hate that's not nothing i can't handle here but also i think it's a little funny when people say like you're a low iq but then like don't provide any counter yeah i don't like just ad hominems uh and send it media says hunter is the classic example of left winger who simply thought he was right wing because the left told him he was you could be a bigot on the left literally every left country has been genocidal yeah no that's just bull i don't know if you're advocating for the traditional family i would say well no because i'm not a lefty i have some

positions that are in line with right wing because like I would argue that I'm more pro-life, too, for example. Although the way to solve that, some people say I'm still technically pro-choice, I guess. But I mean, yeah, no, I go after both sides. A lot of people are commenting on me going off on the Zlachowski thing, the Ukraine thing. Yeah, I would say that I definitely need to do a little more research well that but that i feel like that's really the only little scuffle we had it's really but you see you walked into this one because you called it misinformation you're right when i said you were wrong you kept saying no well i had i had heard completely the contrary to the i i had heard that i i still listen i'm not able to like fact check this and either so like i want to look this up myself as well. I heard the video.

I know you said other people are saying it's missing context. I'd like to know what that context is. The context is that it was in line with U.S. policy that Victor Shokin be removed from his post as prosecutor in I think it was prosecutor general actually in Ukraine because he was viewed to be corrupt. I mean, yeah, however, it's definitely something I'll look into for sure. You know, look, if Barack Obama and Joe Biden are doing crooked things to benefit themselves or Obama turns a blind eye, they can just say, yeah, I was in line with policy because

Biden's the vice president and he's doing it. They froze this guy's assets and then eventually they unfroze him so if anything what joe biden did was make sure this guy had a free couple of years with no heat on his back but then when trump got in this guy fled to monaco they think they think monaco but uh yeah i mean the simple like i don't even understand how we get to that point with with burisma and stuff it's just like joe biden's son got a job on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. Like, man, if people knew the context around this. So, wow. You know, Gazprom is it's like there's so much going on to where if you knew about the Qatar Turkey pipeline,

the Obama funding, the rebels in Syria, the Qatar pipeline funding rebels in Syria, no fly zones over Syria, targeting Russia, the conflict in Libya, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline funding rebels in Syria, no-fly zones over Syria, targeting Russia, the conflict in Libya, the natural gas monopoly out of Gazprom, all of this stuff ties together. It sounds like Hunter Biden was placed there when you put all these pieces together. Now, I can't assert that. I'm just saying that to me sounds like a possibility. They needed assets in Ukrainian natural gas and energy because they were working on this plan to subvert Russia's monopoly. So when Michael Flynn, and I learned this from Luke, essentially exposed that Obama

was arming rebels, that's why they accuse him of working with the Russians, because they're like, why is he doing this? It's Russian. Syria only refused to allow us to build the pipeline because they said Russia told him not to let us do it. Then they wanted to subvert our attempt at building a pipeline. Then you get this energy company in Ukraine, which is key is in the key position to be the company distributing the gas into Europe once they shut down the Russian monopoly. And it's like, there's Joe Biden's son

ready for that sweet, sweet skrill as soon as that pipelines finished. And there was a big revolution in Ukraine to try to decouple ukraine from russia and make it more favorable towards europe yep and the european and it caused a separatist movement which led to what some call the civil war briefly and i was there when it started they exploited some corruption that was happening between the russians and the ukrainians and they replaced it with new corruption that's happening right now between europeans and americans and ukraine right now and when you go to Ukraine, I mean, those people are getting exploited and robbed left and right by just so much corruption that it's absolutely mind boggling to see it happen there to the extent that it does. It's interesting. One way to look at it is European countries are being strangled

when it comes to natural gas and they need these resources. They need to be, you know, have more access to energy. So the U.S. is desperately trying to assist its allies in getting energy there. And, you know, these people and these different families are set to make a ton of cash off of it. I truly think Donald Trump is outside the system, anti-establishment. I don't think he's the most selfless person in the world. I think his family is going to benefit greatly in some capacities. But I do think Trump's net worth has dropped dramatically. I think, you know, I think several hundred million dollars since he became president. 47 year Democrat politician responsible for most of the, or I should say, some of the racist laws

left has been complaining about, whose brother and son have somehow gotten rich, perfectly in line with Joe Biden's like oversight. And then I look at Donald Trump, who's only been in office for now just just under four years and lost net worth to a significant degree. I'm gonna have to go with the Trump guy, especially when he's trying to end the wars. And Joe Biden was part of the administration that like created tons more. But also very interestingly, Trump was being investigated almost the entire time that he was in office. There was a whole Mueller investigation going through every little thing he did. And I remember listening to NPR just yesterday and they were talking about, well, of course, we're going to have to get all the attorney generals.

We're going to charge Trump with so many different charges. And then one of the legal experts like, well, he's been under complete investigation for a Russian collusion. And they went through everything and they didn't really find that much. And comparatively, if you look at institutionalized politicians that been there for 50 years, like Joe Biden, there's a lot more corruption, a lot more wheeling and dealing than there is with Donald Trump, who just kind of came into this swamp. I think it's all swamp monsters as far as I can see. It's swamp monsters all the way down.

But Trump's trying to end the wars. So it's like... I'm on board with that. I just see Trump, I guess, giving the tax cuts to the corporations and the way he's sort of benefited... What's wrong with giving tax cuts to corporations? Well, because it hasn't done anything to help. What do you mean?

Corporations, like only a small percentage, are massive multinationals. Trump's clearly not in favor of Amazon and Facebook. Sure, but by giving tax cuts to these corporations, it didn't do what it was supposed to do. And I mean, we Americans- It wasn't supposed to do. It was supposed to bring back more companies,

more corporations back from overseas. It was either that or it was to encourage, I think it was probably to bring back more companies more corporations back from overseas it was either that or it was to encourage i think it was probably both to bring companies from overseas and to encourage more people to like open their businesses here in america with the with the tariffs and the tax cuts ford brought back three billion dollars into uh into michigan i just know that overall it didn't it really didn't didn't do what it was intended to do and now us american taxpayers are going to be the ones to foot the bill. Yeah, there's tons of deficit spending. Trump did campaign on lowering the deficit and the debt. And that did not happen.

That did not happen at all. Money printer go brr. He's not anti-war either, man. This expanded drone war is super concerning. Yeah, but you're talking about a long time ago. I'm talking about a secret drone war. Luke, can you tell me about how he's made it so that he doesn't have to reveal who he's drone bombing now? Well, we don't know the full extent of it because, again, we don't have the record, and the record keeping was canceled by him. We knew under Barack Obama how many drones were sent out.

Under Donald Trump, we don't know. No new wars. That drone war. Drone strikes, big problem. Well, Vietnam wasn't a war. I do think that no new wars is a bit of a low bar to set. However, I can still say it's scary that it's true, right? problem well vietnam wasn't a war i do think that no new wars is a bit of a low bar to set however still say that's good it's scary that's true right he expanded the secret of drone war he

expanded the drone war campaign i think i think we're gonna find that early early on soon donald trump was engaging in i would say well i don't want to say substantially but i think a significant number more drone strikes than obama was that was early on. And Trump did probably the stupidest thing I think anybody could do in bringing on John Bolton. That guy, John Bolton was like, this time next year with his bushy mustache, we're going to be celebrating in Tehran. It's like, wow. First of all, if you really wanted to declare war on Iran, you wouldn't go and announce we're going to be invaded in your city in a year. Second of all, Iran, people don't realize this too. Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is not some, you know, it is a developed, powerful country with military resources. And I believe one of the key assets of Iran is their anti-aircraft capabilities,

which makes it very difficult for the US because we rely on air superiority. So take a look at the military bases that we've been building, and it's like perfectly set up around Iran. So then Trump decides to bring on the one guy who wants to snap his fingers and make it all worse. Not to mention, you know, a lot of conservatives are cheering about, you know, the strikes targeting the nuclear scientists and Soleimani and stuff. And it's like, look, I'm not going to pretend to have access to classified information, but I'm definitely anti-escalation of conflict and war. So I'm never going to say that's a good thing.

However, Iran has been terrorizing people in the Persian Gulf. It's just the CIA installed the Shah. 1979, right? Yeah, they overthrew the democratic people of Iran and installed this theocracy. And now they're trying to blame the theocracy. And armed them. You have to understand when Iraq and Iran was fighting, the United States military was arming both sides. And with the latest Iraq war, it has empowered Iran geopolitically because Iraq used to be its main threat, its main enemy. They got rid of that. The sphere of

influence of Iran spread because of the first, because of the latest Iraq war, which is another contributing factor to understand here. The Shah was the democratically elected president, and then they installed Ayatollah Khomeini. Is that what happened? Yes. Yeah. That's insane. And has that like been publicly disclosed?

Well, before that happened, Iran was kind of a civilized Western favorite kind of country where, you know, there wasn't any burqa mandates. There wasn't any Islamic law. There wasn't any Sharia law. People were able to live like they were able to live in Europe. After the revolution, after the overthrow, after the direct involvement of the CIA, things took a turn for the worst. And we have a current state of Iran that is where it is today because of the direct fingerprints of the quote, deep state. Interesting. It used to be the left that was anti deep state. And it was like, you know, I think the nation.com with lefty

publication, and people like Glenn Greenwald were like the deep state intelligence agencies. That's why they love snow. And so they love to San loved assange now it's like the left is pro deep state basically it went from the deep state is a conspiracy to thank god the deep state has stopped trump remember that article they're cheering on john bolton i remember seeing a whole bunch of democrats and liberals on twitter like yes john bolton he's gonna expose the corruption and take down i'm like you don't do you know who john bolton is and his long track record of just murder like john bolton is like what what was the movie where the uh the guy rides the nuclear bomb down like captain america no no you're not talking about right yeah that old movie yeah yeah i forget what it's called oh dr strange dr strange love yeah john bolton is the guy who's gonna ride the

like the bomb all the way down like right into iran like cheering and yelling for it very happy roadworthy inc says wow tim i have to say i'm a little disappointed you say you only have relevant guests but then bring this clueless kid on weakest guest possible especially following alex jones well i will say you get to follow alex jones but i will i will rebut saying i've never i didn't say we well if i did say we only have relevant guests then i'll concede the error. What I mean to say is we typically tend to try and make sure guests are particularly relevant. The reason Hunter is on, for one, is because someone reached out to me and they were like, yo, you know Hunter, right? I'm like, yeah. And like, you should have a mind. I was like, yeah,

we'll look into it. And then it turns out you're super close. And it was like really easy. But I also want to stress, we've had probably like, what, 10 people on this show who are like, I used to be on the left and then I left. And we've not had one person who's like, I used to be on the right and then I left. And so I was like, oh, this actually does make a lot of sense. So that being said, I think I know why people are saying this. And y'all got to calm down. Do you know why? I know why they're saying it.

Why? I've seen some stuff on Twitter. I know what's going on. Well, there are people who want particular guests to come on the show. I think they can bully us. So the power went out again. It's got to be the wind. Yeah.

This thing's getting worse and worse every time the power goes out. Because we're running all of this stuff on one emergency backup battery. Should we have a second or third one up here? We do. It's split between two different loads. Got it. So you're hearing different beeping because they're both beeping at the same time yeah but i think we need more perspectives more opinions i think we need to talk to each other more than ever and i thank you for coming

here and being able to share your point of view and your perspective and your opinions that we would never understand if it wasn't for you coming here well thanks man i really appreciate that yeah for sure yeah uh one person commented that they think the only reason you've changed your opinion on social issues is because you have a big channel and you're willing to shave off a certain number of supporters if it means you don't get banned. Okay, yeah. I mean, that's a very, very common argument that people make against me. But that's – I don't know, like, how to rebut that. Like, it's just not true. People – well, you know know my youtube channel was banned temporarily yeah i remember that i remember that i think i tweeted about it yeah um didn't you speak

at like a mythicist thing too yeah i mean yeah yeah like i i did a lot of stuff on that kind of and and did you speak at my event in philly were you at the philly philly one the philly one was was put on by me in partnership with the mythicist guys at the philly casino i yeah i was at the casino one oh wow i saw you walk by and i was like yo it's time we didn't meet then that's funny yeah that's cool but um i've completely forgot my train of thought now but i don't know oh well i love how there's a combination between people saying this is the worst uh timcast or the best is that what they're saying i think the people really love when i got angry about this lachefsky stuff and i like getting very specific people like take a clip of that and post it it's like yeah but then other people are like this is boring you suck okay well that's how it's you know

it's it's how it always goes make everyone happy exactly rob gratt says tim i'm becoming an architect and i can speak on plans to truly fix these neighborhoods through investment and pathways to ownership within the community to help redlined areas. Please let me come talk. Well, send us an email, spintheufo at gmail.com. That's still our email. You could have them send it to me, too. What's your email?

Lydiaatimcast.com. There you go. I'm happy to share that. All right, let's see. You know, honestly, I would have liked to go on a lot longer, but considering the power keeps shutting off, I think. That's like the eighth time, I think. Yeah, seriously. And you

can't keep flipping the breakers. It's really, really bad. So we got high-powered wind. It was snowing today for the first time in the year. Makes me think we've got to get solar. We've got to prioritize it. Well, this is a breaker issue. Specifically here. With this kind of power outage, it's impossible.

It's so stressful. Well, thanks for running, Ian. I will run again. Thank you, Ian. You're welcome, Hunter. Your sacrifice means a lot. It's impossible. Yep. It's so stressful. Well, thanks for running, Ian. I will run again. Thank you, Ian. You're welcome, Hunter. Your sacrifice means a lot. It's two flights of stairs. Yeah. It's like...

That's no joke. A lot of action. If it goes out again, you guys can send me to go flip the breakers. Okay. We'll send you next time. We'll go together.

All right, so we'll do a couple more of these Super Chats. Let's see. Oh, someone... Oh, I just lost it. That was a really good one. I have to find it. Do it by memory.

No, it's gone. That's unfortunate. Uh-oh. Now I want to know what the really good one was. I am a gorilla. Oh, no. That is a good one. I have to find it. Do it by memory. No, it's gone. That's unfortunate. Now I want to know what the really good one was. I am a gorilla. Oh, no. It is a good one. Gabriel Logan says, Tim forearms huge.

No, I think it's just a camera thing. Yeah, it's perspective. Perspective. And you accused me of going on that adult website. Oh my gosh, Luke. Shout out to YouPorn. Are we really bringing that up? Yeah, apparently. Is it Pornhub or YouPorn? hop or you all right let's see outlaw bear says this is the best timcast irl ever because he's taking an uninformed normie and breaking him down the news guard and breaking him down the news garden breaking him down with news guard in real time hunter was out of his league tonight

like hunter b in china ha ha ha i don't know i also think too like you do cultural commentary right yeah i do a lot more social stuff yeah coming into like a hard political space is not advantageous and i i will admit that yeah a lot of the topics we talked about today i i wasn't like the uh uh hunter biden thing's a perfect example stuff i'm not particularly educated in as opposed to a lot more of the social issues kenneth ramey says i was raised in a home where my parents were gay. What people fail to see from a child's point of view. I grew up keeping friends away because I didn't want them knowing. I'm not anti-LGBTQ, but kids do see things differently.

That was your point, actually. Social stigma. Yeah. And I would argue that that's, I would argue that that needs, the social stigma needs to change, not the gay couples. I think it is changing. I think, oh yeah, it absolutely is. I mean, gay, acceptance of gay people is steadily going up yeah for sure jamie mccarthy says does biden end up

impeached due to hunter investigation you may have spoken to this but i just tuned in um maybe that's the plan maybe they say oh no you know he's gotta go and then he he says okay fine this has become too much i'm resigning and then come will becomes president and then he gets pardoned yeah yeah yeah or he'll just die from covid guys that's possible yeah all right let's see here we got a big one what's this brian murdoch says i'm a tax lawyer at at pwc trump did not write the tax reform tax lawyers did and the reform repatriated trillions of dollars that was trapped in irish and lux tax havens It lowered taxes for individuals and corps alike. Read about GILTI and the toll change. Love y'all.

Interesting. There you go. Very cool. Thanks, dude. Let's see. Wait, what? I don't know what that was. Okay, let's do one more super chat.

Let's do a couple. Layla says, really like this guest, Tim. I agree with you, Hunter, on quite a bit, but disagree on most of these issues. Appreciate you coming on. Peace. See, there you go. There you go. Salty Tamale says, honestly, Hunter wasn't a narcissist like Vosh.

Thumbs up. Oh, wow. Demon Rush says, this guy, the guy you love to hate. Very humble, Hunter. Thank you. Tim, your show is awesome. Moved away from Chicago recently after 19 years of growing up there there it's painful walking away from the city but it's changed so much a guy named tim great name says this is my first super chat and it's to white knight for

hunter he's a good kid and open-minded if he's if uh if he's so close bring him on more yeah we absolutely could uh well i think considering the power is going to go out soon again we made it we made it two hours the power went out right before we started. It's got to be the high wind somehow, I guess, because this is not normal. We do the show all the time. When the power went out, did we lose the stream every time? A couple times, but I switched to satellite, so the quality went down a little bit, but then the stream stayed on. The lights turned off.

We'll get it sorted. We'll call in an electrician ASAP, but I think we'll be fine by tomorrow. I think someone might be hogging the circuit somewhere else, too, because we unplugged everything. It's still going down. You know what that means, Tim? You're going to have to have me on again. Yeah.

Yeah. Like a rematch. A rematch. A rematch. Well, I think, you know, on cultural issues, it's kind of just like when it comes to cultural opinions, like I agree. I disagree. Well, then, you know, it's like a cultural issue.

The Zolchevsky thing is super niche. I would venture to wage that 99.999% of Americans have never heard of Zlachevsky. I've read all the affidavits. And your audience has heard about it intensely. I've read four years of news from all of the mainstream outlets to Ukrainian outlets to even Russian attempts at propaganda and the sworn affidavits there was one period where they were trying to get uh biden named as a as a as a wanted felon like a court issued a ruling there was a official ruling from a court in ukraine that said ukrainians did interfere in the 2016 election to hurt donald trump that was that was new york times reporting that so all

that stuff happened anyway not to rehash that uh how about uh hunter you got any you want you want to give a shout out to your youtube channel anything like that for people who who did like you yeah sure for the for the couple people here that did like me i appreciate it um yeah you can follow me just on hunter hunter avalon is my youtube channel it's the same username pretty much on every social media platform too easy enough right on you can follow me on twitter instagram and parlor at timcast you can check out my other youtube channels youtube.com slash Timcast and youtube.com slash Timcast News. We are live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. Smash that like button.

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But if you guys do want to listen on Spotify, we're there. And check us out. Luke, do you want to give a shout out? My YouTube channel is We Are Change. And before Ian graciously brings this up, if you want to purchase any of the clothing that I usually wear on this show, you can on teesprings.com forward slash stores forward slash We Are Change. And that goes to supporting me. So thank you.

We're going to have merch very, very soon. We're getting a website done. It's going to be thank you. We're going to have merch very, very soon. We're going to website done. It's going to be VIP content. We're going to have stuff for the vlog. We're going to have bonus segments with guests. It's going to be a lot of fun

and that's going to be for members. That's coming soon to Ian. You want to get a little bit of special merch. I'll be teasing in the near future as well. I'm not going to tell you what it is.

We got to get a shirt with Ian's face on it. Definitely. Luke, I love the Santa hat. Thank you. It's like a five-year-old Santa hat. I think it turned blue i saw we are change video earlier and you have the santa hat on i was i got excited like five years every every december i wear it oh yeah i like it he does do you wear it like when you sleep too no no can i ask you a quick question do you know what question is? Do you go to sleep in your beanie?

Yes. That was the question. No, of course not. When you came here, was I wearing a beanie? No. That's right. I was actually a little surprised. Who is this?

Yeah. I was like, do I know you? It's actually really funny. We had a guest come over once. I'm not going to say who it was. And when I skate, I don't wear – if I'm filming and skating, I'll wear a beanie just to like, you know, but if I'm just like skating, exercising, sometimes I'll wear even shorts, but I'll usually wear just like some ratty clothes. I'm going to tear up and I'll wear a sweatband. Somebody came

in and it was the guest for the show. And I walked up, I was like, how's it going? And they're like, Hey, Hey. And then I was like, nice to meet you. And they're like, Oh. And then I'm like, did you not recognize me? And he was like, Oh, Oh, Oh. Yeah. I'm not going to say who that was though. But it was really funny. It was at the other house yeah because people can't they didn't recognize me it was like whoa i didn't realize uh anyway thanks for hanging everybody don't forget to follow at sour patch lids as well because she's over there pushing all the buttons and twisting knobs yeah twisting twisting the knobs and pushing the buttons and sometimes typing uh we will be back tomorrow at 8 p.m live and again smash the like button on your way out

thanks so much for the super chats we will see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m. alright bye guys