Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #187 - Rand Paul Says The Election Was STOLEN Amid Fraud Hearing, w/ Jack Murphy

Episode Date: December 17, 2020

Tim, Ian, Lydia, and Luke host friend and fellow YouTuber Jack Murphy to discuss Rand Paul's discourse on election fraud, the partisanship on the ballot, personal responsibility, Andrew Cuomo's intolerable governing, the role police play in modern society, and Proud Boys in DC.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We had a hearing today and it was streamed live. We got to watch as we heard from the Trump campaign's lawyer under oath about evidence that there was voter fraud in many states. Again, let me stress that for you, because many on the left and the mainstream media don't seem to understand this. The Trump campaign lawyers stated definitively under oath, this is our evidence of voter fraud. If you think they're lying,

please, you know, send the prosecutor and give me some perjury charges. All right, make it happen. But for now, you can't keep saying they have not presented their case under oath. And you can't keep saying there's no evidence because they certainly presented it. Well, Rand Paul steps up and he says, in many ways, the election was stolen. There was fraud and something must be done. He went, he didn't go as far as say, because of fraud, which is the fancy phrase that you will ban us for. But he did make a pretty bold statement. And that means to many people, Rand Paul is going to be the senator who joins the House

member Republican, probably Mo Brooks, and disputes the electoral vote come January 6. And in my opinion, this means nothing because the public Republicans have no political willpower and probably will do nothing. And Mitch McConnell is already begging Republicans to roll over and let the Democrats do what they want. So I certainly imagine that come January six, you may see some principled Republicans and you'll see most of them go, but I don't want to. Can't we just let the Democrats do it? It's so much easier. Welcome to politics, everybody. Today, we're hanging out with Jack Murphy. Hey, everybody. Good to be back to be back yeah schedule got messed up for a little bit but here we are wednesday night it's good to see you lydia made it through the blizzard made it through the

blizzard you know nothing was gonna keep me away tonight nothing at all four-wheel drive 35 miles an hour nice and slow yeah man so when when they says like it's like it's the biggest nor'easter in a decade or whatever that's hit the area. And people were like, is Jack going to be safe? He's going to make it? I was like, Jack's driving 4x4. He's not going to flinch on this. Tim, he scoffed when I said, I don't know.

I told Jack maybe he shouldn't come up tonight. He did. Ian did. And then Lydia went out in the street, took a picture. She's like, it's all good. Don't worry about it. I'm from Midwest, man. I can deal with this.

Plus, in DC, it snowed 40 inches. Wow. picture it's all good don't worry about it i'm from midwest man i can deal with this plus in dc it snowed 40 inches and then like two days later it snowed 40 inches again oh wait recently yeah 10 years ago it was called snowmageddon yeah so this 12 inches is nothing yeah i know not only that i was like if if jack can't make it up while being this you know like six foot five bearded man i demand he walk here through the rugged snow like, I'm coming on the road. Nothing's going to stop me, Tim. Nothing's going to stop me from seeing you.

I've missed you, dude. I took a week off. I've missed you, Ian. And we don't live on a mountaintop. Kakarana was over-dramatizing how far deep into the woods we are. We actually kind of do. Kind of. Not the top top because it goes up more in the back, but we're in mountainous areas.

Definitely. But, you know, it's not like Everest or anything, but it's elevated. There's a freeway. Yeah. Well, Luke's hanging out too. Well, hi. I am the optimistic residential Uncle Eddie. It's good to be here.

Thanks for having me. That's it? Yeah. You normally have some ridiculous dumb thing to say. Yeah, I always do. No, you're Uncle Rico. No, no. Luke shoveled the ice and snow Off his RV today

He did, yeah And he was trying to throw snowballs But his aim was awful Next time do the sidewalk to the door while you're at it But we have A guy who lives close by Has a plow Tim's 12 mile approach

From the street up the driveway takes about 25 minutes to drive it up. The whole thing was totally plowed. We tried using an old skate deck to go down it, but you start going so fast. It wasn't snow. It was slush and sleet and ice. Is that why there was just that one

random skate deck on the porch when we came up? Yeah, soaking wet. Because we were jumping on it. And then once you get to like 60 miles an hour, you give up and then slide. No, we didn't go that fast. You could totally, and then you'd lose control and just flip out. But the cool thing about it is when you fall, you just slide down the asphalt. It's just, you know, it's ice.

It's cold. That's about it. So yeah, that's what's going on here. And one more thing. I'll give a shout out to Verizon for six months ago. We were supposed to have internet installed. They finally show up, installed the wrong box, told us they finished the job. They didn't. We have no way to connect to it.

And now we're sitting here and Verizon keeps calling us being like, but it's already set up. And I'm like, dude, there's nothing that connects. We had an IT guy come out and he's like, you can't connect to this. It's a Verizon equipment. It's the magic of corporatocracy. It's amazing your 2400 dial- up here has been performing so well and the satellite too but we recently did some improvements because the power kept cutting out and i don't know why because we didn't change anything but we decided to split the the electrical load to

different circuits and then we put the internet on a different line as well so it's closer to the moment i think we should be should be good nothing getting in our way tonight we're unstoppable ladies and gentlemen for everything we've just gone through the the the you know jack murphy dragging his his sleigh through the snow to make it here bare hands uh smash that like button subscribe to notification bell but let's read this news here man let's talk about ran Rand Paul claiming the election was in many ways stolen. Now, as all of you know, yes, let's not let's not play games. We don't want to get the stream taken off the air. And YouTube has said that if you say certain things in combination, they'll just take down the clip.

What combos like Iraq, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction? That's OK. Oh, that's OK. You can say that. You can say those smashed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can say, you can lie to the American people in the Middle East and call for a repeated war, which gets us into this 20-year quagmire.

And you can claim that Trump is a Russian asset still to this day working for the Soviets, not just Russia, because they said 1987, all right? They said 1987. All right. They said 1987. And you are OK. But if you claim two things, the first is that there's widespread voter fraud or error. And the second, you combine that with a statement that it changed the outcome. They remove your content. Boom.

Just gone from from YouTube, which is really interesting considering a lot of what's coming out right now. And this statement from Rand Paul, which I will now read. The Hill reports, quote, the fraud happened. The election in many ways was stolen, and the only way it will be fixed is by, in the future, reinforcing the laws, Paul said during a hearing with testimony from Christopher Krebs, the president's former cybersecurity chief, who was fired by Trump after he reported there was no interference in the election. Paul made the remarks as Krebs, wearing a mask, looked on skeptically, his arms crossed in front of his chest. Thanks for that, The Hill. The remarks were notable because Paul is seen as one of the senators who might join a bid by Rep Mo Brooks

to challenge the election's outcome and overturn the results in several states, despite a series of court decisions that have rejected claims of widespread fraud as unsubstantiated. That is false. Fake news from the Hill. Most of these cases, as far as I know, and it's challenging because there's many, were procedural grounds. In fact, I'll put it this way. Maybe that's true, but in the hearing, it was stated by numerous people that the claims in these lawsuits, pretend of fraud, were never actually ruled on the merits. So they didn't say necessarily it was unsubstantiated that there was widespread fraud. They said things like you have no standing or it's too late to sue

or, you know, this is a criminal matter that must be investigated and not for a civil court or whatever. I'll also point out Chris Krebs, who said there was no interference. He said specifically from a security perspective, security, because he's a cyber security guy he said fraud well that's a criminal matter i have nothing to do with so that's really important we're talking about this now i don't know uh if ran paul actually actually will step up especially i don't know if you heard jack mitch mcconnell basically saying you know leave trump high and dry don't do this i don't think we can count on the gop for support in this matter as much as i would like to.

I'm curious about Rand Paul going out on a limb here. What do you mean? Well, he's always sort of been a renegade, right, and doing his own thing. And he's really making kind of a stand here. Him and Ted Cruz have really stepped up, taken some action to try to investigate it, at least see what's happening, and take a principled stand. I guess Rand's comfortable out there by himself, huh? He's always been. What did he filibuster?

The NDA? Yes. The defense bill? Yeah. That's supportive of Trump. Trump says he's going to veto it. I don't know if he can because Republicans and Democrats alike are like, war good. More war. Fantastic.

We don't care what Trump thinks. Ted Cruz started smoking pot like six years ago. Is that true? What? I don't know. It just seems Ted Cruz started smoking pot like six years ago. Is that true? What? I don't know. It just seems like he started smoking pot. He totally changed. He used to be this uptight nerd, and then he started growing a beer. Now he's like this hippie Republican.

I mean, something. I have no other explanation. Yeah. He took mushrooms or something. Well, come January 6th, we're going to find out. I'm willing to bet the republicans with absolutely zero political willpower are going to sit back and be like but i don't want to do what he wants dude rand paul is not a republic like he's a republican but he's not anything like mitch mcconnell like he's a

completely different uh creature like yeah he is i would maybe he's like a libertarian just he is very libertarian yeah yes he's a lot like his dad but because the libertarian party has no representation in our government. They run as Republicans. It's why Bernie runs as a Democrat. Yeah. But the interesting thing about the progressive left is that Bernie, when it became obvious that he wasn't going to win, or I should say that when he folded because he should have

kept pushing it, he just dropped down and started licking the feet of the DNC establishment where Trump was like, no, excuse me, excuse me. No, no. And then he took over. And then the Republicans, it was it was inverted. It's interesting. Bernie and the progressives were forced to drop down and beg the establishment for some kind of time and presence, and they barely get any leverage.

Trump was the other way around. Trump took over and the establishment Republicans were like, oh, no, we do you're the trump party now baby so they had to listen to what trump wanted you know that they had to they had to get behind trump to the best you know to a certain extent and it's really funny how many trump supporters really did say okay to the republicans and now now things are getting totally different i mean first of all i'll tell you when i see memes from trump supporters mocking police officers, I don't know if you saw this one. Because you saw what happened in Michigan where the cop at the state capitol wouldn't let the Republican electoral candidates in the building. So then all of a sudden, Trump supporters posting memes basically saying these cops are not heroes.

They only care about their paycheck and not the will, not the Constitution, stuff like that. So that sentiment's already changed and now they're basically going nuts after mitch mcconnell saying it's time for him to you know for a new party leader i think it's definitely fair to say that the gop is fractured and that the political realignment is happening right now in a very interesting way where a lot of people who are anti-establishment are learning that they have a lot more in common than they have different from each other but also very interestingly the washington examiner also just tweeted that in nevada that are there are still legal arguments that quote 42 000 people voted more than once that at least 1500 dead people voted and that 19 000 people uh voted even though they didn't live in Nevada.

So we're still hearing some of these arguments. Will they actually translate and mean something? That was stated under oath. Yes. By a Trump campaign lawyer. Exactly. So if they think there's no evidence and he's lying, congratulations. You got him.

The Trump campaign lawyer is going to go to prison for lying to Senate under oath. Congratulations. There you go. So how about now we get his files, we present them in a court of law. That way you can all send the Trump campaign lawyer to jail. How does that sound? Never will happen. They don't want these guys going to court. Of course, they don't want the merits presented. Absolutely not. No discovery. None of that. Yeah. When when the Trump lawsuit, I think, was in Nevada, the judges didn't even the court didn't even want to look at the evidence.

They were like, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. The Supreme Court, which is in favor of him, which was selected, there's a large number of people that were selected by him for the Supreme Court that were from the 2000 Bush v. Gore case. They're like, oh, we don't want to hear it as well? Like, what else do, what other, you know, writings on the wall do we need to see that there's a big rift within the establishment? I don't get why the court gets to pick what they decide to look at. Like, we, they work for us.

So why don't we just give them what to look at? They're an appellate court, not a trial court. They still work for the people, right? But they're an appellate courts, right? So the way it works is you can file in court and have your trial. And then the judge issues their ruling. Congratulations. You're a citizen. You have that right.

Now, appeals courts, they can reject you and say the law was upheld. So when the Supreme Court says we're not going to look at it, usually it's because they're like, this decision was legit. Bye. We, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to bother with it. There you go. Usually. But in this situation, in this situation, it was really different because Texas, the lawsuit from the States, it's a, it's called original jurisdiction, meaning who does a

state go to when they're filing a, uh, you know, a lawsuit against another state. They can't go to a circuit court because a circuit might be in one of these States or on totally unrelated. So they've, they filed the Supreme Court. Alito and Thomas believe they're obligated to take up these claims to represent this, you know, to oversee these disputes between the states. But apparently Trump's appointees, Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh, did not agree and felt that they have the right to say no to these to these cases.

We'll see if anything comes of it. I think one of the one of the important things people need to realize about whether or not the election was stolen or anything right now we're well past the point of the election i don't think at this point the election matters in any way all right the media said joe biden won the electoral college came and had their official votes and they said joe biden they voted for joe biden joe biden gets the gets the uh the electoral votes what we're talking about right now is Trump versus the establishment. Can Trump win in this ongoing fight? The numbers of votes don't matter as far as I'm concerned. OK, you know why? We get a report out of Antrim and Antrim in Michigan where a guy straight up says these

machines are designed to have massive errors. Like that was his assessment. And we had Hunter Avalon on the show and he said, I don't believe it effectively. He said, this guy is a Trump supporter and he's crazy. He's put out false information before. And I'm like, great. That's exactly my point. The left is going to be like, why would I believe this report from a Trump supporter? And I go, you're it's a great point. Why would I believe anyone who's not a Trump supporter when they come to refute it? In which case, all that really matters, confidence, legitimacy, and influence. Trump wins if more people believe in him than anything else. I don't know if that's going to happen, especially with people like Lin Wood and Sidney Powell

really, really hurting Trump's legitimacy, like seriously hurting it. When regular people are not paying attention and you get some crazy kraken story that you know hugo chavez or whatever i'm gonna be like what what i don't what is that that sounds crazy to me and so that hurts trump's legitimacy if they came out and made a constitutional argument about uh changing the rules a regular person says well that's a you know interesting constitution oh yeah by the Constitution. I understand that. Trump needs to convince more people. Because right now, I'll tell you this.

If 100 million people woke up today or tomorrow morning and all said Trump is president, Trump would be president. Regardless of it. Seriously, if everyone in this country just one day said the Constitution doesn't exist, then it wouldn't exist. Its power is held in the fact that people swear an oath to it, that we believe in the system. We have confidence the system exists, and that's what matters. So Trump is fighting a kind of battle to prove some kind of legitimacy. The reason it's going through the courts and the reason it's going to go to January 6th when they dispute is to use the system that exists now to assert legitimacy. That's it. But I'll tell you this. They say it's over.

Betfair, right? They do the political betting. I think they're based in the UK. Said December 14th, the Electoral College voted. Joe Biden has won the presidency. A bunch of Trump supporters got really mad. Started, you know, tweeting at him saying, what do you mean? Like, they haven't even counted the votes yet.

And they're like, well, if you have a problem with it, we'll revisit later. The reason Betfair probably paid out is because they want to get their taxes in before the end of the year you know their losses and they're like i guess the way you can put it is they take all this money for bets and if they hold on to it into the next year that's all revenue plus so they need those losses they need to be like here's what we paid out and lost we'll come back to it later if trump somehow becomes president it might even be comal harris i mean there's look joe biden was coughing up a storm as an old man and he announced he's going to be taking the covid vaccine next week oh my god so uh yeah anaphylaxis yeah that's yeah that's publicly now i think he'll be fine but uh i'm not saying he won't i'm not saying he won't i'm just adding another layer to that he's going to be doing that as well so what's happening is there's a system that exists there are there are stamps on envelopes certification right official

governor's seal that's the kind of thing that a regular person looks at and says i recognize that as legitimate but what if someone came to you with a seal that said you know office of the the new what we saw we saw a lawsuit that went to the that signed on for the texas loss the texas lawsuit got two uh amicus uh additions from new california and new nevada yeah what was that states which do not exist yeah but what if someone believed it what if the media announced what if every news outlet said the state of new nevada now exists and here's its territory people would be like wow and they believe it then when someone sues people would be like there that it's a thing right so that's what the media has been relentlessly saying joe biden's president-elect even though president-elect isn't determined until january 6th they want him

to be legitimized trump is fighting for legitimacy the best path for trump to get legitimacy is on january 6th at this point, and it's extremely unlikely. Maybe. Maybe what happens is that some information comes out, you know, from now until then, and then you have these Republican electoral candidates who cast their votes procedurally. So then, you know, something flips, and then the count says, you know, Republicans support Trump, Democrats support Biden. There's a dispute. It goes to Supreme Court or whatever. Who knows? Trump ends up winning something like that. It's a dispute. It goes to Supreme Court or whatever. Who knows?

Trump ends up winning something like that. It's using the system's legitimacy to claim you are president. I tell you, I think that, you know, when they're saying it's over now, then they're saying, but on January 6th, we'll see Trump's final plan. It's like it's not over election wise until January 20th when Joe Biden, you know, swears an oath and he's sworn into the Oval Office and all that stuff and Trump leaves. What if Trump doesn't leave? He will leave if he's supposed to. Yeah, I believe that 100%. What you bring up is something very interesting, though, is about

what binds us, what binds us as people. And it's about shared imagined stories, right? It's just this thing in our imagination that we know somebody else believes and so we believe the same imagines you know order the same story and that's what makes our tribes and so right now everything is about who can be the fastest with the story and the narrative who can have flood the zone with the most information and the most stories that people can latch on to and believe our reality and that's why the the stop the steal guys are keep going and the protests keep going and the never give up.

No black pill. People keep going because you're right there. It is about just what people believe that can shape reality. That's how the U S dollar works. This is faith. Historically a tortured existence for human beings. You know why I was reading about the, the,

the war for independence, the revolutionary war. And, you know, i was reading about the the the war for independence the revolutionary war and you know back in the day we talked about this before when they signed the declaration of independence there were drafts before they signed it they signed it on uh july 2nd i believe and then the announcement was like july 4th i guess and that's when like the final version came out or something but it wasn't until I think, what was the date? Was it October 29th, maybe? I can't remember. Where the king addressed parliament for the first time after reading the declaration. Months went by, like with nothing happening. And then how long until they actually sent the, you know, the British expeditionary force to the colonies to quell the rebellion?

It probably was a year. Now, realistically, the Revolutionary War was already happening. It was happening, I think, for like two years before they signed the Declaration of Independence, because the colonies were already in revolt. So it had been going on for a long time. But this is what I was saying a long time ago. You used to, you'd be sitting on your farm or whatever, or you'd be working on someone's farm, whatever you did. And then, you know, a postal writer would come and be like, we have a letter from the king. It's, you know, it's finally arrived after three months. And you read it and it says like, you know, you suck. And you're like, oh yeah, well you suck. Send it back. And then three months later, the king gets it. A year goes by before any real

action is taken. So you were living your life. You were eating food with your friends and your family and you were working, enjoying yourself and in the sun. And all the political stuff was so stretched out. Once every other month, you'd have like some kind of political thing happen and you'd be like ah now it's every day every minute something changes i wake up and there's like 10 stories of like crazy apocalyptic news revelations ran paul mitch mcconnell yeah dni chief it's overwhelming and this is why we had elections in November and inaugurations in January, because it took people to travel so long across the country to get to Washington, D.C. and set everything up for themselves. But right now, there is a lot to

say about this inundation of information, of data, and also who controls it, the algorithms that are set, and how they play on our emotions, feelings, and larger expansion of life, which has a huge detrimental effect, in my opinion. There's a lot to say about that. Sorry, I cut you off here. Well, the first thing was that back in the day, it took so long to get information that we actually needed people to represent us in politics. And now we don't.

I think we do. No way, dude. You get all your information immediately. You can interact with anyone in the world immediately. You do not need other people to represent you anymore. That's wrong. That's completely wrong. I disagree with you.

Well, you're factually incorrect. That's factually incorrect. Tell me how. Fight. How much news do you read every day? As much as I want. As much as you want. Is it enough to know who Michael Ozelechevsky is?

That's a bizarre question. No, it isn't. Why? When, when I'm talking about whether or not, I don't know. You can always read. The answer is no,

because some, but if I needed to know who he was, I would find out people's jobs is to collect and disseminate information. And I can't expect a plumber or a tradesman to know everything about what's going on in the world. They say, listen, bro,

I can make the best aqueduct system you've ever seen in the world and you would be envious of my skill. And I would say, you're totally correct. And they'd say, but you know what? I don't know who any of these guys are who are changing money, who are negotiating between these countries. I need someone who can be dedicated to that field of work. They're allowed to give up their power if they want, but they should not be forced to

give up their power. Direct democracy doesn't work. It's chaos. It's mob rule and a bunch of people who have no idea what's going on asserting rights and like their right to control and manipulate the system to a like to to a direct democracy degree we need a direct republic i'm not talking about direct republic what is a direct republic where a bunch of us in our district can vote and then that becomes the yay or nay we don't need to vote for someone to go say yay or nay for us maybe um the other thing i was thinking is that regarding the media uh you know joseph go gobles uh he was hitler's minister of propaganda his quote that if you if you tell a lie big enough and repeat it keep repeating it that people eventually come to believe it he went on to elaborate about lying just continuously lying

let me tell you a story about uh create the myth let me tell you a story about reddit when uh i think it was i think it was the boston bombing actually reddit was convinced that they had found the suspect and they started posting photos and the name and the community all got together and made their decree of who the bad guy really was and they were wrong and that's the problem with mob voting or mob rule or you know i remember being on the ground in boston after that bombing happened i drove up from new york city and just hearing all the fake news reports going around and seeing it translated with panic in the streets of saying, we've got to look out. We've got to fight for this guy.

And people not know his name. I don't want to say his name, though, because he was innocent. And so the concern is, I think representative constitutional republic is a good thing. I think the problem is we have corrupt representatives for the most part, almost all of them, except for a small handful but when you have a bunch of people like even even a you know a direct republic it's an interesting concept because it would you'd still have the electoral college you'd still have you know congress per district and everything like that in different districts you know all based on a certain number of people so you'd still get you know senators i suppose i don't know how that actually would work with state representation i

guess you'd still have to have senators well Well, no, you wouldn't because, okay, how many representatives are there? 400 now or however many? Let's pick a number. 500. 500 dudes. 535. People representing 535 areas. Now, instead of that person saying yay or nay for that area, those people would do a

mass vote and then that area would produce a yay or nay vote of the other 534. And then each area would give their one 535th. So what ends up happening is what we're supposed to have is a politician who understands the policies, who visits the areas and understands the needs of each area and says, if one group comes to me and says fracking is wrong and destroying the environment, we must ban it. And another group comes to me and says fracking is good. It's the lifeblood of Western Pennsylvania. We would die without it. The politician has to then make the hard decision. Hmm. It's a good point. There's a lot of concerns about fracking, but I think many of these people may be incorrect and I can't take away the

livelihoods of people who are, who are, you know, impoverished and not making that much money. So we're going to have to make sure we have some kind of compromise, but fracking will stand. What would happen if you did a referendum on fracking in Pennsylvania? The people in the cities would outvote the rural areas, shutting it down and destroying all of their lives because they don't know anything about that area. They don't live there and they never visited it. But when you get different districts and when you have districts, the districts vote for their interests. So that would make sense. But when you have senators, those are the people who are supposed to go around the state and understand the full

issues. And they try to pander to each and every group to find that right balance of lowest common denominator, maximum vote. The problem is parties on the ballot. I think this is a big thing we can we can solve all these problems. The other day, I don't know if you heard us, Jack, we were saying take political parties off ballots. When you go to vote, there's no political parties, you'll just see names. Good luck. If you don't know who the person is don't vote for him but right now people go in and they go d or r d r that's all they're voting for get rid of the political parties just vote for the person if you don't know the person is well then don't vote for that's your problem people want to vote for a platform though they want to know sort of what the big picture is

they want to know what the worldview is they don't want to just i just platform though they want to know sort of what the big picture is they want to know what the worldview is they don't want to just i just i disagree yeah people who vote for democrat aren't voting because of what they think the platform is or whatever they're just like democrat good republican bad or republican good democrat bad like you know the story we brought up again that the trans satanist anarchist who ran as a republican in the primary and won in i think it was in new hampshire? Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because people went in and they looked at the ballot and they were like, Republican.

And then they got really mad when they found out who they voted for. That's your problem. But what we're just talking about right now is the fact that most people are rationally low information. Yes. And so if you get to the ballot, there's a little bit of information that can help you. You're talking about putting people who are low information rationally into an even lower information position yeah but how does how does putting democrat or republican help anyone's hurt them it's hurt them because now you get democrats who don't have to actually do

anything they just get elected and then they do nothing so you know you know what would really help them if they don't know the names of these people and so they vote randomly it cancels everything out it's just random then but if they if they go in and say well i know i want to vote for you know for trump or whatever i don't know about the rest of these people then trump gets the vote and they don't vote for other people and then the people who get into the ones that people actually wanted and supported i think we're all talking about the same thing and that's low information voters and the problem is people aren't informed that they're programmed. And whether it's, you know, schools, the mainstream media, Hollywood, and more than ever, social media, we are seeing

the programming of individuals to think a certain way and to have their limited point of view be projected in their small little echo chambers, which prevails on social media more than ever, that reinforces people's beliefs rather than having them open-minded, rather than have them thinking. And I think if we could just get individuals thinking or open-minded or set up the cultural institutions or culture crash in some ways to allow people to see that there's different perspectives, there's different ideas, there's different options out there, that I think naturally human beings would go towards those options and then go towards a better path than the crappy path that we are on right now. I think this is one of the most

important issues facing the country today. I think that that is a skill that we need to teach people. We call it in the liminal order, we call that personal sovereignty. And we talk about how Jordan Peterson often said that people don't have ideas, but ideas have people. We want to train our guys to be people who identify their own beliefs and are strong enough mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, and integrated in that capacity so that they can embody those values and make a choice to live like that, a deliberate conscious choice in your belief system. Because right now there's a battlefield in your brain and the first mover is often the one who wins, and you don't even know it.

Let's be honest. When a person is born, they're thrown into the system, and the system chews them up and spits them out, uses and abuses them to the highest level. Kids are told, go get a degree. Go get a loan. Go be in servitude for the rest of your life, paying off something that you can't legitimately pay off unless you're a slave to the cog of a machine that, of course, ruins any form of logical, real, sovereign, individual existence. So I think that right there is the essential key. But how do we unravel that? How do we fix that? Because I see a lot of institutions, I see schools, mainstream media, Hollywood, social media, all reinforcing the establishment line, all reinforcing the doctrine that puts them on this machine that a lot of people don't know how to escape.

How do we do that? First, it starts at home and it starts with parents and it starts with fathers leading their families and teaching their kids. These are life skills. They teach you how to hunt, teach you how to balance a checkbook, teach you how to be a sensemaker and how to be personally sovereign. And so you can choose your own ideas and make your own selection but this is an investment right this is an investment and this and the reason why the investment makes more sense now than it may have in the past is because the stakes are higher the stakes are higher we're not just simply two gentlemen disagreeing over the size of

the budget or this or that we have a fundamental difference in the way that we think the world and the country should be arranged. Different notions of justice, different notions of right and wrong, different notions of truth. Yeah. And so we need to – the stakes are higher. So the rationally ignorant or had by an idea sort of selection, the calculus is changing on that. Well, dumb people and low IQ people are getting abused more than ever. an idea sort of selection, the calculus is changing on that. Well, dumb people and low IQ people are getting abused more than ever. And I think it's in everyone's kind of best interest that that doesn't happen because it hurts everyone on the larger kind of spectrum here.

And that's why I've been always talking about homeschooling. New Hampshire has one of the biggest homeschooling networks. It also has some of the highest IQs in all of the United States, which shows you that, you know, I think it's critically essential to get away from all these institutions. Public schooling is one of them. Homeschooling is a big thing. I always followed Dana Martin. She's a great, amazing speaker and a major proponent of homeschooling. So if you guys are looking into potentially getting into that, definitely probably check out Dana Martin. And, you know, especially if you have a young child coming on the way i i would never ever want my kid to go through a public school system that i went through in new york city because it was absolutely

horrifying so so right now you have there's actually a really really funny meme i saw i'll start over it was the bell curve you know and on the on the back it was a really really stupid looking like drooling person that said Trump won. In the middle is the average and it says Biden won. And at the end, it's the big brained glasses wearing guy saying Trump won. And the way I look at that is not necessarily that it's correct. But on the right, you certainly have a lot of dumb people who support Trump. But you have a lot of smart people. And you can look at not necessarily everyone who's

like intellectual dark web types, but like moderate, disaffected liberals, former Democrats, people who were consciously looking at what's going on and saying, I'm going to make a decision. This is not the right choice. This is. So certainly you still have your left and right tribalists, your Democrats, Republicans. But in the traditional political system, it was just the exploitation of the low information voter on both for both parties. But now with Trump and with Bernie, to a certain degree, you have more active individuals. Unfortunately, I think the left has fake progressive grifters and high profile positions who claim to represent the left, but really don't. I'm not going to say who they are, but they're very prominent.

And then on the right, you have people who are probably accused of the same thing, but more nuanced discussions, more debate and an actual interest in intellectual honesty. And I'll give you a really good example. It was Ken Bone. I mean, you guys remember Ken Bone? No, yeah. Everyone loved him. It was the red sweatshirt guy in 2016 election.

He tweeted that he was going to be voting for, I think, Joeorgensen was that what was happened and and he said amazingly all the trump supporters were like stand up for what you believe in man we respect you good for you and the left were screaming in his face you're voting for trump you know my favorite thing is when people would say when they would be like if you vote if you don't vote for for biden you're essentially voting for trump and then you'd hear if you don't vote for trump, you're essentially voting for Trump. And then you'd hear, if you don't vote for Trump, you're essentially voting for Biden. So then my friends who voted third party

were like, I guess I voted twice because I'm not voting for Biden. Voter fraud. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if one, there you go. I think that's an underappreciated phenomenon is the intellectual wing of the MAGA movement. I think there's a lot of very thoughtful people

that are analyzing the academic and philosophical trends and that they're really taking a principled stance. Somebody like James Lindsay is a guy who went through a very public experience of coming to grips and understanding that in order to stand up for what he believed was right, he needed to get in with MAGA. And there's a lot of people on that edge, you know, that you keep thinking are going to break this way, are going to finally see, you know, guys like Andrew Sullivan or Eric Weinstein and those guys, you think that they're just on the cusp, but they're not. There's just nowhere near. Sullivan just disappoints me all the time. At this point, I used to really like that guy 15, 20 years ago. I used to really like him a lot. Sam Harris.

Yeah. Sam Harris. Yeah, it's it's it's so crazy that Sam Harris is famous for his articulate assessment of radical Islam. And he sits on that on Bill Maher with Ben Affleck. And he's like, when we look at the concentric circles, you can see that 51 million people is explaining how like there are illiberal beliefs among this religion. And I think it's a fair point. Many religions have illiberal beliefs within them. But then Ben Affleck just snaps and he's like, it's racist. And then Sam Harris is like, well, I disagree. Why can't we have a rational discussion? And then the Trump supporters saying, you know, figuratively now, this didn't really happen.

A Trump supporter says, you're right, Sam Harris. Let's have a conversation about Trump. Well, Trump is awful. He's a racist. It's like you're supposed to be smart, dude. Right. Must be calm and rational. And so he tweets all this ridiculous nonsense about Trump. So anyway, back to the point, the Democrats, I can prove with one simple fact. They survive only on the low information voter. Dude. And you know what that fact is? They tried. They pushed

for 16 year olds to vote. Yes, that's it. There's listen, you can pushed for 16 year olds to vote yes that's it there's listen you can argue that 16 year olds should have the right to vote fine but you're not going to tell me that a 16 year old is a high information voter there may be a small group of what what did jen call them indigo children who are just gifted and and and know in their prodigies they exist very very smart young people but politics there's so much you have to learn and experience through life to truly empathize and understand it's possible to be a very smart young person and have understood that maybe you know you spent your your formative years working and traveling so you got a bigger dose of reality than the average person a lot of these kids grow up

institutionalized and never see the world even after they're 22 graduate from college they still never left their hometown yeah so many of the kids in this country haven't left the six square block radius of their house or their apartment in the city that they live in and the democrats plan is we should get them to vote why because low information voters are dancing behind the pied piper as they lead them to the ocean they're going do do do we'll give you all this free stuff come you know you know what i always thought it was really funny Did he just call them rats? What? Yeah, kind of. I think he did. Sure, I guess. It was an analogy. I wasn't trying to insult them. I wasn't trying to insult them as rats. I was trying to insult them as intelligence.

Right, yeah. So, but listen, listen. Lemmings. When I was, when I was younger, I thought about something interesting because I met a lot of people who would tell me that they were, you know, Republicans because they were fiscally conservative, but they didn't agree with Republicans on social issues. And I'm like, right, this is kind of like the libertarians were, right? But then I thought about a lot of the arguments about personal responsibility and the Democrats arguments for welfare benefits, free, you know, free, free healthcare, free college, free this, free that. And I'm like, man, it really does sound like you've got two parents and your dad is saying, look, son, if you want to buy candy,

you got to go work to get the money to buy the candy with. And the mom's going, just give him the candy, dear. It's okay, honey. And then gives the candy. Which one is the kid going to pick? Free candy. Yeah, but you make an interesting comparison there. In raising a child, having a mom who's going to coddle you and give you stuff,

and a dad that's going to tell you to take risks and tough love, that's a great combination. It is. That produces a healthy child. But not a healthy government. Because it produces a healthy nation. But that's becoming rarer and rarer. And then we have a lot of people being shipped in to be the nannies. And the nannies are like, let's just put the kid in front of the tv or give him a screen and as you said kids sometimes

don't even leave the six block radius i would say their eyes don't even leave the screen for more than the entire day that they're up and awake i just got a really good idea for a skit it's two politicians one politician is you know he's like gotta's like, he's not wearing a tie. It's, you know, it's unbuttoned. He's really relaxed. His sleeves, you know, are folded up or whatever. And he's like, listen, we're going to get this country back on track. But it's going to take hard work from all of us. And we're going to pitch in.

We're going to strengthen our community. And together, we will lead this nation anew. Crickets. And then it goes to the next guy. And he's dangling keys. Hee! And they're all going, yeah! And they're cheering and clapping and celebrating. And then it goes to the next guy and he's dangling keys and they're all going yeah they're cheering and clapping and celebrating and then it's like landslide and it's a picture of him holding keys and dangling i think that's a meme that you're describing there that i saw a

couple times but again if you're paying attention i'm seeing a lot of people who are in politics or in social commentary becoming more and more worried because it definitely seems like the low information voters the disenfranchised the angry are becoming bigger and more worried, because it definitely seems like the low information voters, the disenfranchised, the angry are becoming bigger and bigger. I don't know if that's just something that we're seeing because of the social media lens that we have. But it definitely seems like there are more people who are not in the know than the people who are in the know. Well, you know, it used to be that the people were I hate this low information voter, it's insulting. I like the phrase, rationally ignorant right the the rationally ignorant uh used to just be that rationally ignorant but now through casual interaction through social media they're not just rationally ignorant now they're

just like accidentally uh you know what's the word when you become id you know an ideology where you ideologue yeah you come into accidental ideologue right just through through incidental contact on social media they were they were rationally ignorant but now because they were posting you know pictures of what they had for lunch and talking to their grandma now they're also getting this like uh incidental radicalization they're taught to be experts in everything right they are being abused yes yes they are with the r and the d on the voting ballots it's they're being manipulated to vote for what a feeling that they have that if a democrat they picture they picture blue they picture certain things and so they just they're they're being abused into into being brainwashed into

that to put into that they're they're voting straight party yeah that's that's a form of abuse against someone's sub intellect if they don't communicate we communicate sub vocally we communicate through colors we communicate't communicate we communicate sub vocally we communicate through colors we communicate through images we communicate through associations and consistency i that does this doesn't bother me having the the parties on the ballot and i find it as a a useful uh conduit like you see information if you see ron or rand paul and you're like i love that guy therefore i must vote for republicans and you then you want to put something like mitch mcconnell into office like what have i done so i don't i i think it's real a mind screw to to

to trick people into voting a certain way well that's the whole thing you know there's a reason why they made the president minimum age 35 right why why can we vote for the guy under 35 as i'm getting older and crankier and get off my lawner i'm thinking you know we should be raising the voting age and you know with skin in the game but now i don't want to get too crazy well so this is that's what i said yesterday i said that yesterday a couple of things we've seen over the past couple hundred years is that we've eroded the nature of the republic closer towards federalization and direct democracy that's been a onward trend a big trend so that's i think that has sort of changed the shape of this country is it used to be that the states

would appoint electors it used to be that the states would appoint senators and then we've slowly changed all the rules to be like popular vote popular vote popular vote and now they're trying to do it once again national popular vote should yeah should we if we believe in the founding we believe in the original principles of the country we believe in the constitution and all that as a thought example if we brought the founding fathers back today coached them up on what was going on shouldn't we just do what we think that they would say what they would do what would their reaction be no sometimes yeah because they lived in extremely different times and and the ideas of classical liberalism to them were relatively new and there were a lot of there were a lot of mistakes that they made in fact the declaration of independence disparages the native

americans as a like part partly the reason they wanted independence was the crown was like using native americans against them and it's like there's a lot of things true true we've changed our views on yeah but the the general concept of individualism life liberty the pursuit of happiness they would look at the constitution to be like how many amendments wow that's fantastic as we you know they negotiate i think the bill of rights what was it several years after the constitution and the constitution was actually several years after the articles of confederation so it was a lot it wasn't the declaration of independence happened and then it was like almost like a decade later they're like 13 years before the constitution yeah exactly jefferson was really down on central banks he didn't want central banks

and washington didn't like political parties like that i think they were spot on about well washington believed in term limits which should should be implemented, I think, everywhere within the Senate and the Congress. And now we're living in a time where literally Hillary Clinton votes in the Electoral College and then says that we need to abolish the Electoral College immediately, just like she did a couple of days ago, which is a little mind boggling, to say the least. Swamp monsters have taken over. Yeah. Imagine if, you know, we didn't have a democratic republic and it was just rule by the masses. I mean, you can only imagine. I think we need a parliamentary hearing from the British courts to determine whether or not the vote from the founding fathers had any legal authority in the first place.

Hear, hear. Right, probably didn't. They should retrograde to, retrocede back to the United Kingdom yes so i'm joking but just joking when when i see these uh these republican electoral candidates cast their procedural votes and everybody says they're not official they're illegitimate or whatever i'm like the founding fathers i was reading by this that like by what appointment or election did they become the representatives for the continental congress like it's actually random. There was no uniform policy between different states as to who would go.

And a lot of people felt they didn't actually represent the state at all because many people were loyalists and were like, we don't want a revolution. Stop. We don't want the violence. And in fact, there's really interesting writing about how what was going on, the conflict with the crown was not worth it because too many people were dying and it was too much chaos. And it was better to just pay your taxes and shut up. A lot of what we see now for many of these Democrat cities, as the governors, you know, pass these edict destroying everything, they're like, well, well, no, you know, calm down.

Actually, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was wrong. I should say conservatives are doing that right now. Conservatives are the ones who are like, you know, and I don't mean Trump supporters or all conservatives, but they're the ones who are just like, you know, the Republicans who are saying we have to vote Republican for the Senate. Meanwhile, they won't actually fight for anything. The Democrats are screaming at the top of their lungs, nonstop demanding things, and they get it.

The Republicans are just sitting there going like, in a minute, and then sure, fine, you can have whatever you want. They're not doing anything. So we're at that point. And the governors just absolutely abuse their citizens. As I'm pulling up a story, I just looked at a story here randomly on Twitter of an incident where in New York City, police officers went undercover to order food in a restaurant, and then they arrested the restaurant owner. Arrested. After secretly, yes, dressing up as normal citizens, and they walked in the business owner arrested after secretly yes dressing up as normal citizens and he walked in the business yes this is a story i could send it to you lydia if

you want right now but this is what's uh in new york city just another uh the story just broke 40 minutes ago but this is another just egregious example tread on me all it does is i sent you the story all it does is tread what what what is the flag from the left the fist crushing the snake saying we will tread yeah congratulations you elected these people they had a banner like that yes i know it's the fist crushing the snake and what's really funny it's very similar to a nazi propaganda of the fist squeezing the snake would you be interested in starting a new political party the maga party the MAGA party I don't think I'd want to start the MAGA party but I certainly think that there are opportunities for new political organizations it's happened before we've seen it happen in the United States there's precedent

there's no reason why it couldn't happen today I'm sure back then they said it shouldn't happen then either Trump supporters should just do it you're not getting what you want from the Republican Party the Republican Party has is not going to fight you, hasn't fought for you. And that's why Trump happened. Trump came about because the Republicans weren't serving the American people the way they wanted them to. Indeed. And so Trump gets elected. And now once these establishment cronies get their first chance, they're like, here's the thing. A political party could change very, very quickly because what we're talking about is the MAGA network. The network is what launched Trump into office over the objections of all of the GOP establishments still to this day. And that network still exists and that network still wants action.

And with proper alignment, a plausible promise, that network's direction could be just pointed in a different way. And if you look at American history, political parties realign all the time and have throughout the beginning of the U S constitution. And we are kind of seeing that happening right now where a lot of the values of the left and even in, in the year 2000 are becoming the values of the right, which is becoming anti-war pro free speech, which,

which is something that we never thought would be something that Republicans would be kind of representing or not even Republicans, people on the right, which I think is a more fair example of saying. But here's the problem. When we have these guests on the show who are like in their 20s and they're Democrats who voted for Biden, they were children when Occupy Wall Street was happening. They were toddlers when George W. Bush was starting these wars. They weren't alive, many of them, when 9-11 happened. Or they were babies or completely unaware. That's why I brought 9-11 up here.

So listen, I was at Occupy Wall Street. Luke was at Occupy Wall Street. Ian, you were at Occupy Wall Street. We all sort of experienced this and were a bit older than these younger guys. We are now finding ourselves as like you know, like you, Jack, Democrat, Democrat to deplorable me as, you know, milquetoast centrist. But I did vote for Trump because I think it was the right choice. And then these younger people who didn't experience the Obama administration to the full effects don't know anything about it. So the left is courting young people who are,

I'm going to say it, low information. They don't know anything about this and they're being exploited. Then the only alternative for people like us is we need an alternative. So we go to the Republicans. And that creates a cycle where the country always veers left, always. And it won't stop. That's a problem. There needs to be a point where we have principled conservatism that stays where it is, and then principled sort of more, I don't want to say leftism, but maybe social liberalism or some left-leaning policies and a real negotiation on how far is too far in either direction. It doesn't happen. It's just always going to the left. The Republicans don't fight for anything. I don't know if you heard what Michael Malice said. He

made a really good point. I keep bringing it up, but I have to. When Obama got his way and said, you are legally obligated to buy health insurance or pay a fine where are the republicans to say okay and we'll negotiate there we will absolutely give you your individual mandate and we want one of our own everyone must buy a gun otherwise pay a fine where is the inversion where is the other side of that argument given the take yeah there's none it's republicans going we think you should slow down and they say no and then the public can say slow down and then a year goes by and the republicans are like okay fine you can have it yeah there's nothing resisting so here we are you know i grew up a punk rock skateboarder

and uh voted for trump and you were a democrat voted for trump and why because they changed on social issues i think that's that's fine you know progress on social issues and civil liberties and stuff but if it's changing the economic policy in a way that's destroying everything we got a serious problem and that's what's basically happening it's it's it's a constant quest for power where you have one side that demands it and takes it and another side the republicans who are just like basically holding a rope and being dragged along the way nine million people changed their their vote from Obama to Trump in 2016. I wonder if that number grew significantly in this last election.

It just doesn't seem to have been enough. Don't forget that he only won in 2016, 77,000 votes across three states and just a handful of counties really made the difference. How do you feel about a peaceful divorce? I'm all for it. But let me just a lot of counties really made the difference. How do you feel about a peaceful divorce? I'm all for it, but I'm not. A lot of people are, man. Let me just qualify this. I'm all for it in like a brainstorming session.

We'd have to get into some real brass tacks to actually make it work. But as I was driving up here today, I was thinking, how could we actually get a peaceful sorting? And one way I thought about doing that is maybe if we eliminate, and this is all pie in the sky nonsense, right? But maybe if we eliminate the federal income tax and you put all the social welfare stuff on the states, and then people can just vote. You'd be like,

I want to live in a high tax, high social welfare state. And you go there and you pay your taxes. Everybody gets their social welfare. I want to live in a low state, low social welfare or low tax. I'm'm gonna go move there and really make it about money and then let's just see what happens i mean it kind of is that way is it yeah i mean you could i mean federal income tax is pretty big dude it is sure sure i know but you're basically saying cut taxes no i'm saying like shift shift the structure around so that people can make choices within this within this structure right now but like we're gonna buy a big old farmland in the middle of west virginia yeah specifically because you can do things in west virginia you can't do other places

you can just like point a gun and shoot it yeah i know i'm kidding i'm kidding but the federal income tax could also go up to 80 and you're still living in west virginia right right right and the anti-gun laws that biden's going to be passing are going to be affecting everyone federally that's when i think we're at we're dangerously close to the point where even liberals' brains are going to explode. Because you can only sit back for so long. So listen, I'm going to pull up these stories. We got this story. This is the one Luke just mentioned.

Undercover cops order food, then arrest bar owner for defying NYC indoor dining rules. Look at this smug, disgusting, despicable man, Cuomo. He literally killed 6,000 people by putting sick COVID patients in nursing homes. He is, in my opinion, a murderer who set policies forth that they should have known that I can't imagine they didn't know at the very least. Fine. I'll tone it down a little bit. He's responsible for the negligent homicide of 6,000 elderly folks by putting COVID patients in these buildings. Now, what is he doing? His police oath breakers, New York police officers arrested a bar owner for violating COVID restrictions after executing a sting in which they ordered food from the restaurant. AP reported the New York City Sheriff's deputies entered Mack's public house in

Staten Island, New York, and ordered $40 worth of food and beverages, according to a Sheriff's Office press release. Congratulations, guys. You got them selling that food. That's contraband in New York City. The Sheriff's officers are wannabe cops. Mark Fonte, a lawyer who represents the bar, told the Staten Island Advance. This is what happens when

little people get a little power. Each one of them will have to answer to a federal judge. Oath breakers, praetorian guard for unconstitutional edict that was never passed. At a certain point, the state legislators stopped saying we're going to pass laws. And it's all relatively recent. Check this one out. This is probably the most insane thing I've seen in a long time. Hear this? Cuomo signs bill banning the sale of Confederate flags on New York state grounds and other hate symbols. Clearly, admittedly, according to Cuomo, in violation of the First Amendment. Probably New York's constitution as well. Doesn't care.

They just do it. And do the police care? Nah. So you know what? At this point, look, I moved out of these places. You got Antifa setting up their autonomous zones. Quite literally don't care. Have it. Have at it, zones quite literally don't care have it have at it bro i don't care have and i'll tell you that i'll take it give them new york when we saw these riots i was very much like dude defunding and abolishing the police is stupid you know why because you need in a civilized society and this is like a

lot of intellectual dark webs this is brett weinstein said police need to be able to make arrests someone is going to commit a crime and we need a system by which they can reasonably identify somebody, arrest them and bring them in. And so we have these laws. It makes sense. I am not an anarchist. Luke, maybe you disagree. Michael Malice disagrees. But I think police, aside from a lot of the dumb stuff, you know, the quotas, fines or whatever, we need to be able to call a cop and say, you are the essential first layer of defense for when a crime is committed.

I report it to you as an official, you know, arbiter. You're neutral. You're not, you know, in many cases, then it goes to the courts, the DAs. And that's the process we have. I respect that in a lot of ways. But right now, I don't care anymore. I left these places because these cops have no allegiance to the law, to the Constitution. They are criminals

at this point well beyond my tolerance level so let me just say one more thing when when michael mouse was on the show and he mentioned that in new york city we have a constitutional right to bear arms but these cops don't let him they are criminals and for me that's not my threshold i see his point you know what i kind of agree with him now now when i see this stuff the cops arresting a dude for selling food yeah these people are despotic they are psychopaths and you know what man i i just if if if if i was given the powers of the emperor i'd be like those officers badges removed pensions revoked exile away gone you are a criminal as far as i can tell i won't lock them up but get out of here well tim one thing you have to understand these police officers are political they're not a political they're very political when they're following through on these decrees that haven't

even been officially passed by the kind of rule of law that everyone accepts everyone to go by there's even official uh case law where the new york city police department argued that they don't have to do anything they don't have to help anyone during a moment of that was you felt like you interviewed the guy yeah the cops like watched a dude get stabbed well yes there was a mass murderer running around joel azito a guy who looked very similar to you i don't know if you know about the story of joel azito amazing human being uh this random guy starts trying to kill people on the subway. He intervenes. He gets stabbed up.

He takes him down. The police officers are literally standing there right next to him, watching him as he's getting stabbed in his skull with a huge butcher knife, right? Then as he's subdued by Joe, as the police officers are literally watching the whole time, this whole intercation with guns, with batons, not doing anything. Literally, they take Joe off, put the suspect in handcuffs, and they wait there for a long time.

Joe wakes up in the hospital, almost lost his life, was an inch away from losing his life because of the blood loss, because of the time it took the NYPD to figure out what was going on. The train was in the middle of the tracks, and they took him a very long time to get them to the next track to get Joe into an ambulance. He wakes up, and he has the mayor there congratulating these police officers who are deemed heroes, who saved the innocent people,

and they called Joe an innocent person. Joe took the NYPD to court, one for libel, calling him a victim, when he's the one that took down the perp with the knife as the police officers were literally standing there and the new york city police department argued and won successfully that they had no duty to help serve or protect anyone and that's the case law on the books right now that the police officers don't have to do or abide by any kind of uh decree to anything for you. You know what?

These city cops lost all of my support. All of it. You know, it was bad enough when I called out the 27 cops who were guarding the Black Lives Matter mural. It was illegally painted. It basically seized taxpayer dollars to paint a political slogan to send a message to Trump, which was just insane and irresponsible. And these cops gleefully defended what was clearly illegal.

They don't care. They are breaking their oath. And I said of those cops, take their pension away, strip them of everything and kick them out, take their badges. And I want to see them. Look, you're done. You're gone. Get out.

At this point, I don't live in these cities. OK, I left. I was't live in these cities. Okay. I left. I was in the Philly suburbs. It was actually a fairly nice place. We had our local department was really, really nice. And we're now essentially in the like nearly to the point where officially moved away. And I was like, it's insane to say defund the police because most police departments are not big city police departments.

Big city police departments are big, massive with huge budgets. Like New York's was like $6 million. But most departments are not big city police departments. Big city police departments are big, massive with huge budgets, like New York's was like $6 million, but most departments are not. And so you got to make sure you differentiate between what the left is saying when they say defund the police. Well, they're talking specifically

about the big city cops, right? They're talking about the places where they vote for these people, these mayors. They vote for these politicians, these representatives and these governors. And then these cops get appointed. So your beef is where you live. And you know what I realized? I was like, you know, it's a really good point. Why do I care if Antifa sets up an

autonomous zone? I'm not going to go there. I don't live there. And the people who live there vote for the politicians and the DAs who allow it to happen. They must like it. So far be it from me to tell them the way they should live. If they voted for it and it's being allowed more power to you, Antifa, congratulations on your autonomous zone. Don't you're not going to see any resistance from me. And I'll tell you this. The cops who are there and are fighting with them. I think those cops are in the wrong. You can't allow this to happen.

The DAs, the people vote for it and the cops try and go and shut it down. Now, at this point, you in oregon want as an officer are going to shut down these businesses by edict and and and you know violate the rights of individuals then why should i care if the people say this is allowed if the da says they're allowed to do it then so what if someone set up an autonomous zone in your backyard that's different you call it cops uh in my backyard right now? Yeah. On private property. On your property. Probably not where we are, Ian.

And the laws of this current location. I think if someone came onto my property, they'd... I would not call the police. It's a bit rhetorical. You would call the cops. They're probably in trouble. 99, you might shoot them to death. But ideally, you'd call the cops.

Because someone's coming on private property. So that's what those people are doing. Bro, we're in the middle of nowhere. It's pitch black outside. If people are lurking on my property, they're going to be on private property so that's what those people bro we're in the middle of nowhere it's pitch black outside if people are looking on my property they're going to be in serious trouble it's it's not like look uh when i lived on a farm in miami we the only the only weapon we had was a 22 break barrel uh pellet rifle because like we were not gun people at the time especially me it was like fun we were just like shooting targets in the backyard and one day someone jumped the six foot fence surrounding our property on a five acre plot. And there's, you call the cops,

congratulations, they'll be here in 40 minutes. So what do we do? Well, maybe it's not the smartest thing to have done, but I broke the barrel and dry fired it, bang. And the person with the light ran back the way they came, gone. If I called the police, they would have said, do you have a gun

well then what do you want us to do we can't we can't get there for 40 minutes you know like where we are right now like how long it would take no no no that's why we are armed and that's why i'm like i'm out i'm i'm out of philly i'm responsible for myself if someone in philly one of the property you know one of my properties are doing. I'd call the cops and the cops would, in most instances, promptly remove them. And that's why I think, you know, I'm not blanket defund the police because that's something they'll do. They'll resolve the issue. When a guy tried breaking into my other house, the cops showed up literally in like one minute. It was amazing.

And the cop said to me, if it was me, I would answer the door of the shotgun. And I'm like, bro, we're in New Jersey. It's not that easy. It's not that hard, but, you know. I have sympathy for the cops. I talk to a lot of cops in D.C. I've got a lot of sources inside NPD, and they are always constantly telling me how opposed they are to Mayor Bowser, how opposed they are to the Black Lives Matter stuff on the street,

how opposed they are to the sort of rules of engagement that they have and the restrictions that are put on them and and how difficult it is to check out riot gear and like all these things that make it even just harder for them to do their job harder for them to be safe etc there's a constant conflict there so and and the guys that staff the dc bro what are they doing about it hold on hold on hold on hold on i hear you i hear you. I hear you. The moment they go in undercover and arrest a guy for serving food is the moment I say, bye bye. I don't care what happens in your city.

You guys are attacking innocent people at this point. You are harassing. You are degrading and berating and insulting and destroying the lives of regular people who are not hurting anybody. So you know what? You're on your own. I don't care what New York does. That's just a couple of guys.

That could have been just a couple of angry jerks. Then I want to see all of the NYPD calling in a blue flu and saying, this crossed the line. We won't enforce it. And they won't do that. They won't. They'll stand back while riots happen. They'll have the little slowdown, as, of course, riots are hitting Fifth Avenue, and they won't do anything then, which they did, and leaving people helpless, as of course, people are just literally running down the street, taking whatever they want.

That's literally what happened. There was police officers during riots in New York City that were on the same block, just standing by, kicking rocks, not doing anything. Fox News was there 2 o'clock in the morning, filming them, being like, I don't know what's going on. This huge shock on this Fox News reporter's face. I can't believe the cops are just standing there and these guys are just running into all these stores and taking whatever they want. What do you think was going to happen? They did nothing. Yes.

During the riots. Exactly. And in the moment Cuomo says by decree that your life is destroyed. The police went with pleasure. Yeah, we're going go i'm gonna stick up for my dc mpd guys i think it's different in new york you know just that's just the vibe that i get from the cops in dc and what i observe and that's what i observe on the street and as a citizen in dc and that's what i was trying to say just a moment ago like i'm not gonna blanket my

small town cops outside of the philly area because they were really awesome they did a great job but when you look at new york city why should i care yeah they defunded the cops a billion dollars good i don't care these cops they they they go undercover and sting a bar for serving food but what about during the riots terrible yeah just the worst possible and and so i look at i look at uh portland and they got this new you know red house autonomous zone they're like booby traps and stuff and i'm just like you know what at this point why should i support any of these guys in these cities they locked down oregon they shut down these businesses and when the riots were going on many of the cops when they were told

not to interact with the federal police they said okay and they're like we wish we could help bro you're a human being you can make a choice nothing's stopping you from making a choice imagine if like you look at any comic book hero look at the you know the marvel movie civil war imagine if the heroes were all like oh gosh darn it they told us we couldn't go and fight the bad guy oh well and they just didn't you know you may you bring up a good point with your with your joke it does take a superhero to resist to say no to a direct order to maybe perhaps violate what who knows what they believe the law is what their education level is on these decrees versus legislation whatever it takes a hero to stand alone in a circumstance like that i'm not saying it justifies doing the sting listen listen i'm

just saying like it does take a special... But we should be honest about this. A lot of officers are self-serving. A lot of officers, when they're given a choice, hey, do you want to have a paycheck for your family or you want to not have a paycheck for your family, they're going to make the decision that's going to work out for them best.

And this is why we have them doing absurd things like dressing up as undercover average civilians and they and this is not the first time something like this has happened there was undercover officers dressing up as homeless people so they could get people for uh you know speeding yeah yeah for giving money in some institutions and in some places and also speeding one last pushback humans in every industry do things that hurt other humans it It's not just the cops. But we should make people aware of that because people are under this illusion that they're there to protect and serve. Get rid of that slogan and say, I am obeying my overlord.

That's a more accurate statement. Here's the simple way I'll break it down. When there are innocent people having their businesses destroyed who did nothing yes i think the police do a good job when they stand up and they defend the city and they try to maintain order the best of their abilities it's a very difficult position to be in and that's why i say when antifa is calling for defunding the police while burning everything down i'm like y'all are nuts but then what happens when after you've said thank you officer you did a good job he says shut your goddamn mouth and cracks you in the mouth of the truncheon. And then he personally throws the brick through your

window. Now I'm like, bro, you're Antifa. These cops going to a guy's business and shutting it down. That's exactly what Antifa was doing that I was complaining about. The problem is when an individual, regardless of who they are, where they align, destroy the livelihood of the innocent. And the cops are doing that now. So as far as I'm concerned, they're mud in New York City. Sorry. They're the same thing as Antifa was going around rioting. The cops are doing the same thing now. So who do we get? The feds? Is Trump going to send in somebody? He should. He probably could. But he's not going to do anything like that. And he hasn't done anything like that. And who else is going to do it? Nobody. So listen, I want to reference this one more time. Cuomo banned the sale of Confederate flags, clearly in violation of the Constitution.

I don't like the Confederate flag. I don't care for that stuff. But how are you going to be like that Constitution thing? Screw off. I don't care. We're going to pass the law. And then there's that viral video. I think it was out of California where you had the it was a Knicks Greek.

I think it was. And the health inspector, the door was open. They're like, your door is open. So that's all that matters. You're getting a fine. That's just the law, sir. And he goes, what law? No law was ever passed. There was no vote. There was nothing. It was just edict from some guy. We don't care, sir. These people are psychopaths and we are in serious trouble because we're at a point now where there's no cohesive culture, where people are like, we are a nation of laws and we abide by the Constitution.

We're now a nation of people like, I don't know, just, you know, I was told to do it. Yep. And the bureaucrats that were enforcing these laws that you were specifically mentioning at that restaurant were even screamed at by average civilians walking by saying, why aren't you at Costco? Why aren't you at Walmart? Why are the big multinational corporations allowed to exist? Meanwhile, small independent businesses are getting squashed out as these plutocrats are literally obsessing about a great reset and the redefinition of capitalism that, of course, will empower them with even more authority, more regulations, more rules,

and more bullcrap that will only happen because these officers are deciding to choose to listen to someone like Andrew Cuomo. And if they decided to have a backbone, some of them are. There's a few sheriffs in New York that decided and said no. And, of course, what did Andrew Cuomo did? What did he say? He said that they're dictators because they're choosing not to follow his own decrees. And this is the person, by the way, that was also seriously accused of abusing a female counterpart, which, again, a lot of people in the mainstream media aren't talking about, especially CNN, MSNBC. But most importantly, Joe Biden is considering this man that just banned the Confederate flag. Like in New York,

we have so many problems. We have so many issues we have to deal with but this man's main objective is to ban a symbol that no one really cares about in new york anyway that does nothing just virtual signal to people how much of an authoritarian he is this man might be the next attorney general of the united states imagine the chaos the pain and suffering that he will cause when he has more power underneath him and more willing servants, more obeyers that, of course, will follow out every one of his orders without even thinking about it. Andrew Cuomo instructed sick covid patients into nursing homes, killing about six thousand. Meanwhile, there was hospitals all over New York City. There was a center was empty. We had a whole huge naval ship brought in. That was an entire hospital.

Central Park, field hospitals. They didn't use it. Nothing. And then sick elderly patients sent back to nursing homes. This is why I will say, in my opinion, the only explanation is that Cuomo did it on purpose. He was laughing and smiling. And he said, we got COVID patients. Put them in the nursing homes.

But sir, the Javits Center is only at 30% capacity. I said, put them in the nursing homes. Yes, sir. I'll do whatever you say because I'm a bootlicker. Dude, he's a... The son of a gun won an Emmy. He won an Emmy for his work regarding COVID. And then wrote a book.

And then he wrote a book. So congratulating himself about what a great job he did. Meanwhile, he had the highest death record than I think anywhere else in the United States. Are you freaking kidding me? And this is going to be the next Attorney General in the United States? Who's the girl that he is? What do you mean?

That's Biden's number one. That's the number one candidate for Joe Biden right now. Dude, he's got the job because Daddy. Because Mario Cuomo, he's got the name. He's got a frown on his face. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let's hold on a second. Jack. Yes.

You saw what the Proud Boys were doing. In D.C.? In D.C. Last weekend? Looked a wholeown on his face let me let me let me let's hold on a second jack yes you saw what the proud boys were doing in dc in dc last weekend looked a whole lot like antifa to me oh so we're gonna start off like that are we are we so i'm not a proud boy and i'm not a proud here to carry any water for them whatsoever but i saw them talk about it i saw them tearing down banners yeah lighting them on fire yeah and i've seen antifa stealing flags and lighting them on fire yeah and i don't i think stealing someone's private property and destroying it is wrong okay i think if you want if you want to have a symbol of your political belief you're allowed to do it we have to respect these boundaries uh i agree with almost everything of what you said there except for the last one but hold on the point of this is not for me to rag on the proud boys

this is actually me defending the proud boys okay when they do which is not even as bad as antifa because antifa attacks innocent regular people and threatens innocent regular people now it was wrong because the the churches that the proud boys ripped the banners off of were innocent but it's not it's not to the same scale of antifa you know chasing people down the street and beating them the proud boys are Boys are facing hate crime charges. Hate crime charges. Possible. Possible. And wasn't it the Proud Boys who got, they were the ones who got stabbed? Proud Boys got stabbed.

Critical condition. Three of them got stabbed in an altercation. It's unclear as to who provoked the altercation in the first place. And the Daily Mail admitted the knife from the photo. Right. They covered it. They totally covered it up. So listen. Here's the first point I want to make make starting this off, and then we'll carry on.

The reason I bring this up in the context of our previous conversation. Yes, sir. Antifa can go around and doing it for years. Yes. The Proud Boys go and do something not even to the same degree, but similar. And immediately the cops are like, hate crime investigation. We're taking these guys down. Okay.

So I have guys on the inside of mpd we've been talking about this they've been talking to me i've been on this story thinking about it and first things first is if you burn a black lives matter banner that's not a crime right if you print up a sign that looks exactly like all the other signs and you take it out in the street and you burn it no problem if you find a black lives matter banner on the ground and you pick it up and you burn it no problem if you if you happen to be in possession of it and you burn it no problem the only time that it's a problem is if you if you if you steal it yeah right and so i don't know that there was they

they don't have any uh direct video. Maybe they weren't actually saying that there was confirmed theft first. So theft needs to come before destruction of private property. And then you have to have, like, hateful intent and bias and whatever. So what happens is they saw the crime of the burning. They wanted to prosecute it. It goes to the Twitter handle. It's the police. Twitter handles the one that decides how to characterize it.

So I'm sure that's a political decision, right? And then once it's characterized as a hate or bias crime, then it goes to some sort of liaison unit whose job it is for them to go and investigate. And I have a feeling it will get lost somewhere in there. First of all, they haven't been able to confirm or convict that they were theft in the first place. And it's totally perfectly legal to take a black lives matter banner burn it whatever now so a lot of a lot of these guys that were surrounding it there's no crime for them because as far as they knew someone had a banner and they burned it correct yeah correct the only time it would be a crime is if somebody was witnessed and saw them and was confirmed that they stole it from another even though it has the church's logo

on it they if they found it on the street and burned it still not a crime crime. But the interesting thing is you're right about the hate crime. It's like Black Lives Matter is such an exquisitely crafted phrase that it is at once a political movement. It's at once a statement of some sort of fact. And it's at once something that tugs on your heartstrings about being a racist or not. But the truth is, it means different things to different people. When the church puts it up on there i'm sure they really mean like black lives matter we should just let's not have black it's a church yeah it's a church that doesn't that doesn't mean that they're going to be acting in the right way all the time of course any religious organization

that's not justification for them uh but it is clearly a political movement right it's clearly an art like has has funding with billions of dollars, and they have initiatives, and they have a platform. 10.6 billion dollars. 10.6 billion dollars. And the juicy, delicious part is watching the BLM groups fight about that money. 10.6 billion dollars.

Lydia found that one. There's a schism. There's a schism in the BLM chapters with the national and whatever. They're fighting over the money. And it just cracks me up to see them just going down the normal route. But it's not a hate crime to burn a donkey or an elephant or even the flag. The reason I bring this up is, for one, yes, I want to be critical of what the Proud Boys did to a certain degree. But also defend them in the sense that if the DAs allow this, if the media allows this for Antifa, then how could they come out with this double standard?

It just shows you the media clearly doesn't represent the people. It's all ideological. And that brings me back to some of the earlier stuff we were talking about. The election, the numbers, none of it matters. It just matters what people choose to believe and what to fight for. So when I look at these, I'll just put it, I'll be more general so I don't single anybody out. There are too many instances where conservatives were, say, defying lockdown and getting arrested. And they were complying and not resisting. And there are too many instances where the left literally beat the cops and then get their charges dropped.

Yeah. That's how extreme the disparity is between the left and the right. Yeah. That Antifa for this whole year. You know the Chaz? This is amazing. I learned this today. You know Chaz was never cleared out?

We thought the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was gone, right? No. They stayed in the Cal Anderson Park until now with tents, with barricades and everything. I did not know that. Nobody cared. Because the city said we got rid of it and the main area of the streets were opened up. But the park itself remained occupied by these far leftists. And it just sort of disappeared.

That was going on forever. And in the meantime, we've had many stories of people defying lockdown and the NYPD shows up and arrests them. How incredible is that? At the far left can riot. They can destroy things. They can, I'll tell you this. We got a story where a guy has a business. It was called Rio's Ribs.

And the neighboring building was burnt down. It caused damage to like the greater structure, I guess, or to the neighboring buildings. And so he gave an interview where he was disparaging the rioters. So the next day on surveillance on security footage, you can watch this. They released the video just the other day. A guy burns the man's business to the ground. Don't you dare speak up against us, says this lunatic. And so they threw burning trash and then he opens the gate to go back in and look and make sure the fire's catching. And that's what happens with the far left and then what do we see the district attorneys in these places cut them loose well okay you know what that's why i'm at the point where i'm like i don't care about your city the arsonist face was blurred yeah in the actual

newsroom i'm like who are they protecting like are they trying to catch this person do they want to know who actually did this who's actually burning down people's buildings for political reasons in these places the far left is protected they can literally burn it down and the media's like cover their face because we don't want to get and then we have to understand george soros is financing a lot of these attorney generals and going into local towns and smaller cities and saying you know what we're going to give them millions of dollars let's's be specific. What is it called? The Open Society Foundation? Yes.

That provides grants to nonprofits who then fund politicians. And they financed a lot of different ones that are creating and sowing havoc in big cities like San Francisco. The San Francisco Attorney General is now the Los Angeles Attorney General. And that's why a lot of people are saying what we saw in San Francisco with that entire mess. I remember even a few months ago, walking down the street in San Francisco, covering the utter madness. I was doing a random walk and talk video. And I literally saw a woman screaming, police officers hearing it and walking the other direction. There was crap. I watched the lady. Yeah, there I watched the lady walk into the middle of the street.

And she was like big fat lady and just drop trowel right there in the middle of the street, and she was like, big fat lady, and just dropped trowel right there in the middle of the street. Just go at it. And I was like, whoa, dude. Yeah, I wasn't even looking for it. I was literally at the Capitol, and you just see a whole bunch of people all around it shooting up, urinating, crapping, and just totally out of it. It seems like a zombie world out there. And this is because of these attorney generals. Now Los Angeles has the same attorney general as they did in San Francisco.

Same guy supported by Soros. And a lot of people are expecting the same thing to happen as he's making similar kind of protocols. Let me tie these ideas together real quick. When I see Antifa now start acting a fool, targeting innocent businesses, I'll be mad. But if I see far leftists setting up autonomous zones don't care because i see these cops abusing regular people and attacking the innocent not all cops but these place in these places and i'll tell you this there's a there's a meme that goes around from the left they say it's really funny if you have 1300 good cops

and 12 you have 1312 cops 1300 are really good people who stand by the law in the constitution but 12 of them are criminals who keep breaking the law and that 1300 doesn't say anything to stop the criminals then you have 1312 bad cops that's the mean you know why 1312 a cab all cops are bad. I don't agree with that. But in New York City specifically, if these cops know it's happening and they keep doing that job without protest, without standing up to defend the people of that city, then I think they're just, they're not cops. It's the Praetorian Guard for the emperor, for the Empire State. That's Cuomo. Cuomo is passing edict.

He sits there and he goes, I can do whatever I want. Churches, gone. Symbol symbols i don't like gone supreme court decision goes against them irrelevant i'll just make a new one and the cops go hey we don't care what scotus says we don't care what the constitution says we just want that sweet sweet skrilla from our emperor i think i think that i agree with that i think i agree with the 1312 thing not to put it that way but i think that if you have 1300 cops who are watching 12 cops do bad things and do nothing to stop it what do you have to say for the other 1300 cops why are you not stepping in why are you not speaking up you see what's happening and you do nothing like what what kind of mindset is in these police departments that

they think it's okay that they just let this happen let's break it it down, you know, to get more to the heart of the principle. When I see Black Lives Matter complaining about innocent people dying, completely sympathize, I empathize. I don't like that. That's a violation of every constitutional right to take someone's life. But in many of these circumstances, it's unclear. It's not clear cut that the cop was just like, I'm going to kill this man. A lot of times it's like a very serious conflict and we have a political debate. We want to know what's going to happen. George Floyd, most of us who came out when that story came out, we were like, dude, that's wrong. We don't like what we saw. And then later we learned a bunch of new details and you're like, ah, see things change.

But it's pretty clear cut when a cop dresses up in civilian clothes and then arrests a restaurateur during an economic crisis where people are going homeless, where they're expecting hundreds of millions to starve, and the cops are just stomping people into the ground. That is clear cut. No political debate. And there's record homelessness now in New York City. And there was an article highlighting some of the pictures of people living on the streets.

If you want to talk about unsanitary health conditions, that's it right there. There's people with scabs and scabies and all these kind of horrible illnesses because they have nowhere else to go that are literally... I mean, all the housing that they provide for them, a lot of it is filled up. There's an argument that some people make

that the homeless people don't want to go to some of these housing, but the housing is getting filled up because of the horrible economic situation that has been created by the government here's you want to know the best part about all this in seattle uh in washington and in oregon where they're having these lockdowns like many other places and the police are enforcing it well look the cdc said right the cdc was like you got a lockdown okay the cdc also said homeless encampments must remain it's safer to let them stay than to clear them out at the same time that the police are saying we gotta follow the cdc orders and shut down your business sorry they're turning around

and clearing out homeless encampments in defiance of the cdc you can't have it both ways either you're enforcing the safety of the people because of the pandemic, or you're just crushing the weak. I think this is a good time for me to pitch a movie that I'm in coming up. The Lauren Southern movie, Crossfire, covers all of these issues in-depthly. And it's very even-handed and fair and honest. And it really takes a good, hard look at the perspective of the police officers the black lives matter folks it goes in depth on antifa it really does discuss some of these contradictions and where do your loyalties lie what's it like you know being a guy that does good most of the time but then

witnesses something that is illegal or wrong it's a very well done there's a lot of good people in it elijah schaefer is in it and mike cernovich and jack and a few others it's well worth the the the view you should check it out wasn't there like an excerpt talking about the dangers of being a police officer but isn't there like a statistic that as far as as far as employment police officers are ranked was it 13th or i think even lower on the on the ranking of of deadliest uh but i but i disagree with that you know because you got to understand the difference in the danger from being like a petroleum engineer and being a cop a petroleum engineer it's like you do everything right and sometimes there's a

faulty air and something blows and then you get knocked into the ocean or whatever being a cop it's like you're every you don't know which person is gonna be the person who's scared and wants to flee or it's a warrant so they're gonna pull a a gun. Well, I'm not I'm not making that kind of argument that it's totally a safe and wonderful, amazing job. As a police officer, we have to understand the other side of it because they are dealing with the worst elements of our society. And if you're around that every day, that's going to affect your psyche. And that's why with most police officers, we see a higher rate of spousal abuse and

also substance abuse than we do with any other profession out there since of course i think there is something to say about people being affected by their environment correlation correlation correlation it could be that people who are prone to drug abuse and spousal abuse like to take risks like adrenaline like being violent so they end up being cops you don't know you don't know but i will say you're right you're absolutely right does address this very issue talks about ptsd among the police so uh what you're saying is that all cops are drug addicts i'm sorry yeah exactly right and i said civil war let's go yeah but it's really worth it because it really scooted downy uh also and john

detroit who worked on um uh ho Hoax with Mike Cernovich. They did the direction and the producing. It's fantastic and really well thought out. So check it out. Crossfire. You know, this past year has really made me just a very personal responsibility person and much more libertarian. Very, very libertarian. Two things happen.

You got older and a little bit uh you know a little bit more to to conserve let's say i don't think getting older played a role in it i think it was earlier this year i was like no guns yeah yeah it was the riots the riots the riots and the cops standing down in many instances and i was like wow i can't rely on these police officers anymore what's what good are they yeah but in these big cities, I said, these people are attacking the innocent. We need someone to stop them. That's what the cops are for. Now the cops are the ones doing the boot stomping.

So I'm like, all right, I'm out. I'm going to go live in the mountains. We're going to get 100 acres of farmland in the middle of nowhere. It's actually rather cheap when you're in the middle of nowhere. You can't do much with it. No Starlink, no DSL, no nothing. It's cheap, though. Via set.

Internet. Does it work? Yeah, it does. You can set internet you get is it work yeah it does you can get like five megabits up and down you get like you can get like 20 down and five up you're five up is enough by a set so we've we've streamed this show from satellite before yeah and and the quality was like 720p and it's not perfect but you know if i'm not we're not going to go out there to do the show we're going to have the land just yeah yeah well no i'm thinking about tvs and we're gonna write the very very first time i was on the show back in what march or something you know pre-lockdown february we were talking about my 90 acre medieval town you can fit 50 some thousand people in a walled town on 90 acres

we're gonna do a hippie a hippie libertarian kind of town where people can chill and just kind of have their own space friends can come hang out we'll build some skateboard stuff and it's going to be uh you know we got to figure out where it's going to be because there's a couple different things we can do it might actually be like we build houses you know luke's talking about these hippie dome houses we'll see what happens but i don't want to get too much into the hippie dippy stuff i'm just pointing out i got to a certain point after watching all this stuff where i'm like, first of all, the Republican Party won't fight for you. The Republican Party is not going to stand up for you. You give them the chance and they will Lion King Trump off the cliff.

Trump's sitting there saying, brother, help me. And McConnell's like, no. Puts a clause in his hands and Trump goes flying. So if you can't count on them to fight for you, defend your rights while of this insanity is going down then what do you do you got to find your own space because i'll tell you something really funny wasn't it wasn't it awesome how josh holly and bernie sanders got together for the stimulus package it was great right you don't think so i don't know i mean i'm i feel like you're setting me up tim josh holly a republican and bernie sanders progressive democrat agreed on

this 1200 stimulus package and are pushing it trying to try to force it that's the american people need right i think we should have been giving them trump bucks all year trump bucks it's amazing to me that while i've praised that outright it is the democrats destroying the economy and then the republican siding with the democrat on how they should solve the problem in the temporary instead of josh hawley coming out and saying we are going to reopen the economies and pass a bill mandating federally that the Constitution be respected in these places reopen and their jobs can come back. Instead of doing that, once again, it was on the Democrats terms. Josh Hawley came and joined the Democrat position on how to solve the problem caused by

the Democrats. I mean, it's kind of hard. They put you into a tough spot. Do on how to solve the problem caused by the democrats i mean it's kind of hard they put you into a tough spot do you want to be the guy who's wrong and then it leads to two million new deaths of corona not saying that that's what would happen but that's what they say what will happen a good leader would well a good leader would be the one who would say something very simply like my friends considering the the coronavirus has spiked again the first attempt at a lockdown is not going to stop this problem. And if we stay locked down, then more people will lose their lives to suicide, to homelessness,

to desperation, to a lack of access to medical care. Bro, I'm with you 110%. We must make a hard choice. And that means compromise. Here's the plan. Social distancing will remain in effect nationwide. We hope the governors agree with us. The federal governors have the authority to instruct in effect nationwide we hope the governors agree with us the federal governors have the authority to to instruct that but we hope you all agree

we encourage strongly masks to the best of your abilities but the elderly will be protected everyone else please get on with your lives and be safe that's the solution or just simply hey let's not send sick covet patients to nursing homes i think that would be a great start yeah i think less government is the answer. And I think the only way to get less government is by having more responsible, sovereign individuals taking responsibility into their own hands. I mean, I was in New York City earlier this year. I left and I'm not looking back and I'm never coming back ever again. I mean, there's so many unprepared, desperate, poor... That RV is pretty sweet though,

man. Your RV is pretty sweet. It's nice, but I literally left New York City, went straight to New Hampshire, and started doing survival training courses and then doing my own trainings of them as I was... I don't want to even... From Occupy Wall Street to the wilderness. I don't even want to say what I've been doing

in the training I received. I watched Luke gut a rabbit. Nice. Make a stew. I'm kidding. Oh. I was legit impressed. There was gutting involved, but that's a whole nother subject.

I heard Luke was chasing chickens around. Yes, he was. Chasing chickens. Chasing chickens around. You want to make a joke here? I'm not making any jokes. But listen, it's up to everyone to understand the situation in front of them and to act responsibly.

Stop looking for someone else to do something for you. Stop putting someone above you. You are responsible for your own life, your own choices. Make some smart ones. Stop blaming everyone else for your problems. I agree largely with that. And this dovetails with a conversation I've been having with Balaji on Twitter about labor mobility. Okay, so there was this idea in free trade that if you have free trade of capital, free trade of products, and free trade of people, that the people will move to where the opportunities are. And you can destroy this economy over here

and people will move over here. But what we found after WTO, after Black Block Seattle, all that, what we found was, is that people don't like to move. Labor mobility is not as prevalent as people, as the models, the economic models like to say. And so the industry's left and then the people stayed. Then we, then we have, then we have opioids, we have declining life expectancies, we have

hollowed out towns, et cetera, et cetera. Now that same phenomenon, I wonder if this low labor mobility is going to apply. You got out of Philly, you got out of New York. I'm getting out of DC. Where am I going to go? I'm going to a jurisdiction where I have the confidence that my rights and the things that I want will be protected for as long as possible, right? I would move to Southwestern Virginia, but it's a blue state. I don't know what's going to happen so i look in west virginia right because i want to make sure that i go to a county that has a history of voting for sheriffs that would probably say hey you know what we're not going to enforce these stupid laws like that you do you and there are jurisdictions like that that's

this kind of research the sovereignty this individual sovereignty you have to be that proactive i don't know are people going to be is this the thing that's going to make people want to move more so than like the town factory closing i don't know i think that's a big deal right they are moving in record numbers we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have left new york city and are not coming back they're talking about converting office spaces into residential buildings who's going to live in them when there's no jobs and there's no work there? The only reason people go through this rat-infested, piss-smelling hellhole that is New York City. Sour milk.

Yes, sour milk is also true. There's also a particular smell when spring comes. You know, summer's coming when you smell that garbage. It's a weird sense that only true New Yorkers really know. I mean, I grew up there my entire life. I loved it when it was, you know, everyone has their little stories, but right now it's not the same city at all.

And to see the abuse that people are going through, there's literal police officers walking around with binoculars. There's police officers looking through people's windows, fining them for the basic human activities of just trying to live. So I don't see a lot of people surviving thriving

or if they do they're they're going to be servants of a state that's going to use and abuse them at record levels like they are right now think about what's going to happen because what did what did fauci and bill gates say lockdown could persist into 2022 yep or at least some form of it at a certain point do you think some people are going to have no food and no home and they're going to be really angry and looking for it?

And do you think they'll put their survival over any law or community? It's going to be like that movie, what is it called? Daybreakers? Is that what it's called? With the vampires?

Yeah, the vampires. You ever see that one? So it's basically almost everyone in society becomes a vampire, right? Because one by one, people start becoming vampires and they farm humans, but they're running out. Everyone's turning into a vampire. because one by one people start becoming vampires and they they farm humans

but they're running out everyone's turning into a vampire and then eventually when they start getting desperate for for blood they go nuts start attacking other people and stealing it and fighting and turning into disgusting monster creatures and it's probably a simpler analogy analogy just to just point out food riots and any other revolution but it is but it's a funny it's funny movie uh it's a cool movie at It's a cool movie. At a certain point, when we're locked down and people are lining up for miles in food banks, which we've already been seeing all year. At a certain point, when they're going to your business and arresting you, saying you have no right to money to live, people are going to snap. Not only that.

They're going to be like, I don't. They're being arrested for not giving their money to Amazon and Walmart. That's essentially what I'm saying is in, in, in the next year or two with this lockdown at a certain point, someone's going to be like, I have no food. I have nowhere to go and I'm hungry and they're going to take, they don't care because they're going to choose survival.

Here's the best part. We had this guy go on MSNBC, this doctor, you know what he said? I, I, I kid you not. It was the craziest thing. He said, if you get the COVID vaccine, you can still get the virus. You can still get the virus. And we don't know if it'll actually, even if you can still get it. And so you can't travel and you still have to wear masks and you still have to social distance. This is a misunderstanding. Then what's the point of getting it?

I'm not kidding. It was on MSNBC. I almost think it's like, are they lying? We are being led by idiots. The system is too complex. We can't be led by anybody. Do we have people in politics that got voted in because they're popular? What I'm saying is, or the D and the R, what I'm saying is right now, I think the best bet is, look, land is cheap in the middle of nowhere. But what you forfeit is access to clean running water.

You know, when you live in New York City. A lot more than that. Although, by the way, drill a well, you got the best water in the world. I mean, it's not. It's becoming more and more scarce. And there's many predictions that there will actually be more conflicts because of water rights coming very soon. Well well so that's why you want well water but the issue with wells that is you got to do a lot of testing you got bacteria you got mineral deposits i've watched enough homestead rescue to know that it is bro i watched that show we had uranium every single one and if you're near

farmland you can get uranium builds up build up and that's so you need a good filtration system you need like uv light high level filters and. This is the kind of stuff we're going through now, but it is some of the best water. We got the water here. Man, it is some of the best water you'll ever drink. The water faucet is better than city water. It's amazing. We just turned the front lawn into a little farming area. And again, I can't tell people this enough.

Learn to farm. I think it's going to be something very important that people are going to need to learn. Plus, it builds a lot of good gut biome to keep your hands in the dirt, to actually work with seeds, to actually work with your own food. That's one of the most principal, amazing things that you could do on the face of this earth is provide for yourself. And it sounds like manual labor for a lot of people, for a lot of flip-flop wearing Starbucks, drinking yuppies. It's a nightmare. But in reality, when you start doing it, you get your hands in the dirt. It's one of the most beautiful, amazing feelings that you could ever have. As my good friend, Joe Norman, who's a homesteader in New Hampshire told me, he said, it reconnects you with the low frequency vibrations

of the earth. And then that is a healthy place to be rather than the high frequency vibrations of social media and your handheld device and all that hippies grounding and i'm looking at ian because i expect ian to know what that is i used to stand barefoot in the dirt and i would notice when it was cold outside it would warm me up because the warmth from the earth would come up into my feet and when it was hot outside it would cool me down because the heat my body would go into the well there is an energy there's a frequency that a lot of people talk about. All right, you crystal wing. Hey, it's true.

You know what? Hey, maybe West Virginia isn't the right place. Maybe Wyoming is. They have, like, really bad cell service. And so. Yes. So much snow. That's right.

Appalachia is one of the most fertile places in America. Beautiful. It has low incident of natural disasters. It is near enough to large metropolitan centers that you can get to anywhere in the world that you want to. The problem is with West Virginia and no offense to my West Virginia people. It is quite literally the oldest, the sickest, the fattest, the dumbest, the brokest, the least employed state in the union. So what you're saying is we can relocate again the Timcast company and everything we're building and start bringing revenue into these towns and build up and help people find jobs. And then that's assuming you stop being amazon's number one customer right you're gonna

have to buy all man you're gonna have to buy all that stuff local no no no no no something as much as i can local right yeah but bringing these tools and these things from amazon into this area is going to build up that area you know agreed bringing the people is going to bring more business more bars more you know, all that stuff will slowly start coming together. And then all of a sudden people will be voting Democrat and you'll be like, I got to get the hell out of here. The Amazon thing is tough.

So as you've seen the Starbucks and the Artisan Donuts, get out. Yeah, exactly. But I have to plug New Hampshire in here, though. I have to plug New Hampshire in the Free State Project. No, you're right. I love it. I have a love affair. I mean, summers, springs, falls, New

Hampshire for me, winters, Florida. Well, that was my plan, but now I'm still here. Depends on where you are in the region that you decide to locate yourself in. You have a lot of water, you have no venomous snakes, you have no venomous spiders, you have a lot of land, you have a lot of territory, but most importantly, you have a community of individuals that don't like the government, love responsibility, and they're building the Free State Project, which is literally a place where they set up marketplace stores where people sell and trade and barter. It's one of the largest places for cryptocurrency transactions than anywhere else in all of the United States. And to me, being there, my spring and and summer there i

absolutely loved it and and it's like 10 times the cost of west virginia and they still don't have internet the internet's pretty good there you can get decent acreage in west virginia for like 500 to 1500 an acre you can get 100 100 acres for like 50 60k yeah if you're in like southwest or central west virginia yeah huge massive plots i saw one really cool it was like on top of a mountain it was crazy and then they shaved off like the top so you could build a house yeah dude you can you could get up for the money that i'm paying in washington dc i was just in southwest virginia i was at uh hot springs uh virginia where as a matter of fact i was on vacation Tim on vacation walking out of the restaurant without

my mask on someone runs up behind me sir sir sir sir sir and I was like oh man I'm gonna get yelled at for not having a mask on I turn around and it's a guy in his mid 20s or early 30s goes dude you're on Tim Pool are you Jack Murphy I saw you on Tim Pool dude

I was just like on vacation at a random place trying to get away Shout out to that guy If he's watching right now Yeah shout out bro I think people should know too If they don't Because I saw some people In the chat

Don't realize that You're booked as a regular Like you have a regular schedule For the show Yes It's not Yeah it's not like Every other Wednesday I'm here

Also shout out to the dog walker In Washington D.C. That stopped me and my family Again just walking down the street And said hey Jack Murphy Seen you on Tim pool. So whenever, whenever we have you on the show does a little better.

Oh, I think people like watching. I appreciate it. Thanks guys. So in, in Southwest Virginia, for the money that I pay in DC, I can have a thousand acres with a horse farm, horse ranch in the mountains with a river. Yep. Same money. Let's do it.

I am. I am. What's stopping you? Uh, I have a complicated uh divorce situation with my kids and shared custody otherwise dude i would have been long gone kids homeschooled in southwest virginia immediately i'm gonna find a massive plot like 100 acres somewhere in the middle of nowhere think bigger bigger where though no but it's fine but a thousand acres that's that's that's a

lot of money that's like a million bucks probably worth like three youtube videos bro i mean and you'd also got to find land like next to each other otherwise you're buying like plots all over the place yeah finding that's what i was saying like wyoming's probably the bigger secret it's probably like five grand for like five thousand acres it's like some ridiculous number like a barren wasteland dude when i was driving through wyoming listen listen i drove from new york to chicago to north dakota then all then down the the west coast to california to los angeles when we went through wyoming there was a period where we drove like 300 something miles with no gas i was with my friend and then i was like dude we're about to run out of gas and there's nothing around us anywhere it's a straight road if we don't find

a gas station we're we're in serious trouble it was super cold there was like white out half the time couldn't see and i was driving i think a honda civic ridiculous car to be driving through this terrain there was one point where the ground was all ice and i was just like sliding every few seconds and i was like we're gonna die it's. But anyway, we're down to probably like the tiny, it's like on E and I'm like, we probably got 20, 30 miles. And we drive past. Honda Civic. In the Honda Civic.

We drive past this building. It's a little tiny farmhouse looking shack or whatever. And I don't think twice. And my friend goes, a gas pump. And I was like, what? And I'd look back as we drive past it. Two little gas pumps. No signs, nothing.

I slam the brakes on. I do a U-turn. I go back. And I walk up past it two little gas pumps no signs nothing i slam the brakes on i do a u-turn i go back and i walk up to the door there's no signs and i knock and i look and through the window i can see it was a store and i'm like get out of here and i walk in as a little store and there's a guy sitting there with a little dog and i was like hey you you sell gas and he goes yep and i was like can i pump gas like yep and i was like 25 can I pump gas? Like, yep. And I was like, oh. $25 a gallon, sir. No, it was not that expensive. But I was like, there was no sign. I swear, that's how crazy it was.

And the best part was my phone didn't work at all. It was something called, I think it's called Union Cellular, I think it was. It was years ago. But now they probably have better cell structure along, infrastructure along certain roads. But man, maybe that's the big secret. According to, I think it was Animaniacs, nobody lives there there anyway do you know anybody who lives there or who's from there fewer people live in wyoming than in the city of washington dc i believe it's something something yeah yeah yeah dc's got like a million i'm thinking dc proper which is like 700 000 it's like that

i think it's that few people in wyoming yeah yeah wyoming is like think 535 000 there you go that means you can probably buy a whole lot of land and do a whole lot of whatever you want china's doing it yeah there's i saw an article about that chinese guy that bought land in texas and he built a airstrip and he's been like flying people in on this airstrip and i read it it said 200 something land airstrip i was like oh 200 acres that's a lot no and i went back and read it again 200 square miles yeah this chinese guy this chinese uh maybe there was some affiliation with the wrong people just acquiring mass land in texas 200 square miles that's happening a lot nebraska might be pretty good but you know i think the thing is when you're when you're closer

to the east coast like west virginia it's not that cold, not a whole lot of snow. It's easier. But it can get hot in the summer. So it depends. You want to live in the mountains. Middle America is probably harder to farm. It's probably flooded pretty hard, too. And they got tornadoes.

But if you buy land in Nebraska, you can certainly grow corn and then live off of corn. You'd be a corn person. Yeah, they love their corn. Hey, you said something about Amazon earlier. What about it? Do we have to stop using it? Yes. I'm obsessed with Amazon.

I love Amazon. They get it here the next day, two days later. The Amazon microchip is in your brain already, Ian. You can buy almost everything on Amazon. I don't want to stop using it. I've given over to the Borg or something. It's awfully convenient, bro. It's not just that.

When I was living in the Philly area, it was really easy to be like, let's go to this store or that store to buy what we need. Now we're in the middle of nowhere. There is no that store that we need. It doesn't exist. Now you would have taken a three-hour trip into the city once a month to go into town to get the things Now, I tell you, the mail... So the way it works

when you live in the middle of nowhere is that Amazon delivers your items to the post office, not to your house. And then the post office delivers your Amazon packages most of the time. And boy, are they salty with us. I bet. You better tip your postman, buddy. Can you do that? Of course.

I just tipped my trash guys today. I'll get the mailman. You should especially tip your regular mailman. I didn't know you were allowed to give them money. You're supposed to in New York City. You're a mailman and you're a garbage man. Really? You're a mailman?

That's like a federal job. You're giving him cash? That's what I did in New York City. You want to get all them boxes from Amazon? Ian ordered, what, like 50 gallons of vinegar for some reason? To go with the 50 gallons of beans? And the mail lady's like pulled up with this big old truck full of vinegar and she was like why are these so heavy what are

you doing and i'm like i don't know one of them was upside down and exploded vinegar all over the truck yeah dude it's awful she's cool the mailman must be here every day for like at least a half hour unloading stuff it's like 10 minutes dude i just get a whim and i'll order one thing that's another trip for the mail person. Just like a bunch of vinegar and one of them exploded and her whole truck stank the whole time. Such a mess. Yeah. But we have to order things for snacks for the guests and batteries and stuff.

So we're running a business. So we do a big order of batteries. And then they have this big heavy box. They're like, what is this? We recently bought a whole bunch of Airsoft stuff. is a cool thing just go in the backyard backyard we got luke we went to the store and we just basically bought a ton of airsoft stuff the lady was trying to not to sell us the stuff she didn't believe we were buying all this stuff this is the craziest thing because i'm like okay we're gonna do uh you know five rifles and five airsoft you know hand

guns and then the guy starts taking them down and luke's like that we'll take that one and the lady's like no no no no no no what are you doing put them back put them back and looks like we're buying it she goes no you don't need this what are you doing and then finally it wasn't till i was like i have a credit card we are going to be buying this why well luke's an instructor and luke is going to you know do basic trainings and like you know well if you do any firearms training it's best to do it with airsoft first especially with the type of caliber and replica possibilities that you have here because you don't want to be using a real gun when it comes to practicing some real cqb someone someone's never advanced stuff especially with people who

never held a gun in their hand so you'd never want to do that so airsoft is perfect it's fun it's fun and we're we're working on the vlog and we're getting ideas for it and so we're thinking of putting up a wall with like airsoft stuff we We're gonna have a lot of fun with it. But man, she just didn't, you know, want to let us buy this stuff. Why was that? I guess she just didn't think. Because you look like Riff Raff.

Yeah, because we look like Riff Raff. She was like, do you have a team? And I was like, no, we're just gonna, you know, horse around. But we have this big space to do it. So the next thing I think is what we're gonna do with this, I'm hoping that we can get something big enough, but actually really close. So I can actually build a house and live there for the most part.

But it might be difficult. We'll see how it plays out. And then we might end up just getting something really far away. That's just like empty land. And then we've got RVs. And this is crazy. This is interesting. Dome housing is really easy to build.

They're geodesic. Yeah. So it solves a lot of simple problems for Burning Man IRL coming up. Yeah, I know what Burning Man architect that can come help us build those. Yeah, it's like lattice aluminum pipes or whatever, and then they cover it in plastic, and then they insulate it. Graphene. Super cheap. I've watched enough Homestead Rescue to know.

And you can build dome spheres that are half underground. I literally lived in one in New Hampshire a couple weeks ago. I had a three-story one, doubled one, that was connected and had everything running through it. And it was just, you know. You can build them modularly. So, like, have dome here, a dome here, and a dome here. And then on top, you have, like, a dome here and a dome here. So, you have five domes and, like, a pyramidal. Or, like, you can put them modularly. So like have dome here, a dome here, and a dome here. And then on top, you have like a dome here and a dome here. So you have five domes and like a pyramidal. Or like you can put them in a circle.

It's just really cheap. It's like substantially cheaper. That's really the gist of it. I mean, really structurally sound. I'm like, they can handle earthquakes. Let's do it. Let's go. I'm ready.

Handles earthquakes. And the rain and the snow rolls right off. So it like makes a lot of sense. So I'm thinking like we want one big, super big dome. Super dome. The concrete foundation. That's the challenge that's expensive very expensive but if you're what if we can use bitumen instead bitumen yeah it's like an advanced type of plastic uh broken up that we should be making roads out of but because of planned obsolescence they want to make it out of what

they use because of cracks every year and they get to spend i'll take whatever foundation we can get maybe recycled plastics whatever and then the idea is like you know just a diy it man to build the space and have a fun place to hang out and also you know a certain point working with your hands having that farm you ever you ever jack have you ever grown food yes isn't amazing yes i have i in my one of my last houses in dc i built an elevated bed farm in my backyard and i grew all kinds of things and broccoli and eggplants and tomatoes and peppers and all kinds of we had eggplants that were like this big i don't know what was going on but like

they grew this big it was amazing and then we had a whole field basically of broccoli and then i came i came out the next day man deer eating all my urban my urban deer so i love gardening i love farming i've been reading a lot about i can't wait to get back at it when i lived in miami with this small farm and we had chickens and the first time the chickens laid eggs i was like can we just eat it like it was so i was i'd never done anything like this before and then like i just i was like, yeah, city boy. I Googled it. I'm like, the chicken laid in egg.

Can I eat it? It's like, enjoy. I'm like, just want to make sure, man. I don't know. Do I have to homogenize it? Yeah, I don't know. Do I have to pasteurize it? Do I have to sit on it?

Did you try to sit or put it behind your beanie? Do I need a rooster to kind of like do his thing to make sure it's a good egg? Look, I had never had a chicken before. I didn't know the process by which they, you know, eggs are ready to go. And now you just pick it up. And then, dude, every day, more eggs, more eggs piling up like crazy. We were eating eggs like crazy. Yeah, man.

Eggs. Let's get some eggs. Let's do it. We've got to build a chicken dome. Chicken dome. And you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to 3D print armor for the chickens. No joke.

So that way they don't peck each other. But also when the predators show up, the chickens, when they do their natural thing, like defend themselves, I'll make it so that when they go like this, spikes go. I was thinking if we build. I saw that on Homestead Rescue. If we build a big house that's like a big giant square, but in the middle is a giant open courtyard that we could have a garden and all the chickens, then the wolves couldn't get in. No, I got you one better.

You want chickens in the middle of your house, bro? No, stop. I'm sorry, Ian. Let him do it. Ian, do it. It's a great idea. I have a better solution. The 3D printed armor that we'll have for the chickens will have

a thin mesh so that their wingspans expanded and the chickens can actually fly. Oh, man. That's advanced technology. So then the chickens start flying away. They'll be gone. They'll be gone. You know, people don't realize this, too. One thing is that the chickens can jump, like, what, 10 or 12 feet or something?

Because they can jump and fly, but then they, like, eventually come back down. So we had a rooster who kept jumping into the other property because he could hear all them sweet, sweet chickens, you know, and he was like, yeah.

And this rooster, he was like, Ooh, I'm gonna get me some. And then he jumped over and all the roosters over there were really big. And so they were like, yo,

what are you doing? And started packing him. And then he panicked and you couldn't get back over. Cause he was too dumb. It was a fight. What kind of fight? Yeah. Rooster fight.

Rooster fight. Roosters. Rooster fight. How, how about we go to super chat?oster fight. Roosters. Rooster fight. How about we go to Super Chat? Super Chat. Super Chat. All right. Let's see.

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For Luke, sent you a message on Parler regarding brushka, brush calf survivalist classes here in the East. Check out Dave Canterbury and self-reliance outfitters in ohio and cold cracker in i believe western pa cool yeah i'll check my parlor parlor right now parlor uh luke we are changed this is interesting uh jonathan galterini says department of national intelligence blocked trump from exercising his election integrity executive order from 2018 by missing the required deadline per the dni official twitter account i thought the deadline was uh like tomorrow no later than 45 days oh no wait 18th

no that was that was it was at the 18th yeah they moved it to the 18th remember katherine harridge was talking about it they moved the report right so it's past the deadline right it's over trump's you know everyone thought Trump was going to pull this last ditch executive order of some sort. He got jammed up. By the way, when we build the chicken house, it's going to be huge. So the chickens will have a lot of space in the middle. But it's going to be like shipping containers all in a big rectangle. And you living in the middle of it.

The chickens will be in the middle. I'll have a room in one of the shipping containers. That'll be great. You can live among the chickens. It's a fantasy. Mr. Sly be great mr sly trip draw your picture mr sly trip says would you be willing to invite david pacman on irl absolutely yes i've known david for a really long time i'd love to have him on the show but uh i think and i don't mean this directed uh directly at david but we've we've had a lot of high profile leftists some of the biggest be like

i totally want to come on the show and then later go but covid it doesn't seem to stop any moderate conservative and there are even some we've had a handful of you know center-left liberal uh or leftist types we had uh jen perlman she was great vosh came down he didn't seem to take issue with it for the most part i invited vosh to be here with alex jones and he said he would want to do it because he was worried about covid and that was unfortunate because that would have been that would have been great he said give him like six months he's like i'll be back give me like six months i i wanted you know luke had this idea for the royal rumble to get like do it big you know prominent left-wing personalities and right-wing personalities and then have like

uh conversation slash debate discussion. Blood sport. Yes. Kind of. I think when you're in person, though, it changes everything. You know, when people are on Skype, they're like, they're all screaming and yelling. But when you get someone in, it controls things a bit because people act like people around people. That's the great thing about YouTube collaborations in general. When you see like all your favorite YouTube stars in the same room. A lot of people talk like they've never been punched in the face for saying something rude online. When you see someone face

to face, there's a big difference in how you act. Indeed. I like to just sit there and just expand my presence. It works. You're a big man. Very muscular. Thank you. Petty says, the other day Ian mentioned revolution against taxes rather than secession.

That's at least half the reason the Civil war happened yeah it wasn't jack you brought up federal income tax which basically didn't get started until 1913 right and that's right around the federal reserve got started what a shock so they're extorting us i'm down with getting rid of federal income tax it's ridiculous it's it's only just like 100 years old you know everybody would vote yes for that right i think we get pretty much everybody. Pretty sure you get like 90% of America. If like if there was a referendum nationwide, should we get rid of federal income tax? They'd be like, yes, this.

Yes, do it. Yeah. The commander says Tim talks about Trump forming a new party, but he used to be part of the New York Independent Party. They joined up with reform, natural law and a few other parties to form the Alliance Party, which is populist center. He should take over alliance. Yes. And then all the Trump supporters should say goodbye GOP. Look, the way I see it is, if you've got the political willpower and momentum, the Republicans aren't doing anything for you. I guess the idea is with Trump, you know,

in charge, it forced the Republicans behind the Trump supporters to give them that, you know, that wind. But if the Republicans now are like taking the opportunity to throw the Trump supporters under the bus, Trump supporters should be like, without us, you're done. Trump would never have won in 2016 with a third party candidacy. Of course. Never. Of course. And so there is that that red always read our voter that you need. I don't think I think if the Republicans right now formed another party, then the Trump supporters from the new party, they'd still lose.

But I think they would lose. You mean for 2024? I think they would start winning local races immediately. I think they would start eventually winning House seats faster than we could see any other third party. A Trump supporter party coming out against Republicans would win some House seats very quickly. Not a whole lot, maybe. But in key areas, definitely. Like, we've seen some weird things happen, but this is the opportunity to get an actual third party to break through and tell the GOP goodbye. And then things will start to change because the Republicans are plastic.

I just don't want some cult worship. Like, it's about Trump. So it's about getting Trump into office. I don't you don't really need a party around that of other people. It's not like Trump. No, it's about it's about constitutionalism. Look, here's the thing. Trump had an opportunity to build institutions, to build a network, to build think tanks,

to build a whole community, a whole supporting maga america first all that and guess what the number one thing that he failed at as president building an ecosystem building a party building a network building an institution this idea that he's going to just start a third party and build out an institution capable of governing the country is just ludicrous no just ludicrous trump's not going to do it. Trump supporters will eventually start rallying around other people. If you don't have the leadership, then nothing.

And that's the advantage right now. You can't rely on Trump to just do it, but you do have Trump and people believe in him. And the Republicans have shown they're absolutely ready, willing, and waiting to knife him figuratively in the back. If you're going to keep voting for Republicans and Democrats, then I'm going to keep moving further away and saying,

y'all are on your own, man. Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. Yeah, because they're exactly. So what's the what's the choice? Stand up right now while you have the wind at your back. And no, look, I think the Democrats are going to win in Georgia. Trump's not on the ticket. The Republicans did well in 2016.

You know why? Trump was on the ticket. He inspired new people to come on board. Nine million people. You pointed it out. Twenty eighteen gone. You know why? Trump wasn't on the ticket. That's right. The New York Times said a large portion of Trump's new voter base did not turn out because he wasn't on the ticket so that the Republicans lost the House in 2020. The Republicans did really well, regained a bunch of seats, took many House House state level seats and maintained control so far of the Senate. And they're teetering. Trump lost. We'll see how things play, I guess, on January 6th.

But with no Trump on the ticket and Mitch McConnell, I'll tell you this. Everything aside, Mitch McConnell coming out the other day and saying, please don't support Trump on January 6th. How many Trump supporters are going to be like, OK, Mitch, and I won't support you on the 5th. How about that? Yeah. Do you think that there I'm sleeping on the senator's name from West Virginia? Is there another? Yeah.

Is there another one like him? Who's number who's number 49 out of all those guys who, like, closer to moderate? Like, for example, if the Democrats in the Senate wanted to be like a thousand Supreme Court justices and then the filibuster, I mean, are there not one or two? Yeah, Manchin would be like, stop on it. But is there one more? Is there one more? One more Democrat? Yeah, who would be like, I think it's probably a bad idea to put a thousand Supreme Court I don't even know if Manchin would really stand up to the party. Like, it's the political establishment machine.

You know, all these Democrats who won in 2018 promised moderate policy and kitchen table issues. And then the moment they got in, Pelosi went up to him and started screaming, good morning, Sunday morning. And they all said, whatever you say, ma'am, and voted for impeachment. I say that to Betsy every Sunday. Good morning, Sunday morning. I love it.

Not intentionally. It just comes out. Betsy's a cat, by the way. Taxoplasmosis. That's all I have to say. All right, Luke. All right, let's do another one. Balian says, yeah, man, I'm an electrician of 15 years, and I was cringing the other day when you kept resetting the breaker.

Like, ugh, we're going to hear that pool's compound burnt down due to power overloads. Hopefully you've got an electrician up there to help you out. So here's the issue with that. Gee, why did the breaker flip? Oh, it doesn't matter. Let's just throw it over again. Well, there's a real question,

because we changed nothing. And then we unplugged half of the things in here, and the breaker still flipped. So I was like, wow, we got a problem. Yeah. So the electrician came in and said, I wow we got a problem yeah so the electric the electrician came in and said i don't see a problem i can't tell you what's going on so we just ran a line to a different circuit to split the load as much as we can but something happened that's bad

and the electrician couldn't see anything wrong with it we had two people look at it actually one guy was just like it looks fine i just don't understand we didn't add anything up here we actually took the playstation out we reduced the load that we had in the first place but for some reason it was a windy day no post podcast spelunky no it's gone i got a ps5 now i'm playing on the show there we go i tried playing cyberpunk man it was awful yeah cyberpunk was so bad have you guys have you played it have you guys i have not i haven't gotten a piece have you have you heard it have you guys i have not i haven't gotten a ps5 have you heard about cyberpunk though i have not supposed to be like the biggest game and it is just been in development for seven years and the voice is in it oh so it's behind the times then it is the voice acting is like some of the worst i was impressed how bad it was the guy being like it's it's clear that the

guy who read the lines for the main character like had a stack of script lines and just read them one at a time very quickly and went through them maybe they were rushed i don't know but it's like is this the job you mean i have to do what i'll do it and i'm like what is this like who's he talking to like man they need to have the voice actors like working with each other and i was like wow yeah big budget games have to treat them like big budget movies. If you're going to have voice acting, the world has reached a threshold where movies and video games are melding. But they should have known that. I'll tell you this.

I know. They should. I'm playing Phoenix Rising. That game's awesome. That game's real fun. It's good. Would you guys be interested in running for president in 2024? Negative.

No. running for president 2024 negative no would you be if we did it would run for president of a club that plays video games and meets on sunday night dnd or something if we could do a political movement or party and we could maybe we could push a candidate like kanye someone that wants to be president and get all our friends involved, like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones. Brett Weinstein kind of tried that with the Unity Party. And keep picking up the pace with Brett. But I think the problem was, didn't he pick Dan Crenshaw? Did he?

I'd like to get involved with him. Yeah, wasn't it Tulsi and Crenshaw or something? We should get Dan Crenshaw on the show someday. I like that guy. Let me search for this. That would be an interesting person to have on. Brett Weinstein called me one day, and he said, Who should we promote as the president for our unity party?

And my suggestion to him was this gentleman named John Robb. John Robb is an amazing technologist, futurist, military strategist, understands the world in a way that most people don't. But he's one of those guys who would just rather be behind the scenes. Yep, Gabbard and Crenshaw. And the Trump supporters hate Dan Crenshaw. Yeah. Crenshaw.

So that was a really bad idea. I think Dan's all right. But he is kind of, you know, a little too pro-war-y for my taste. Ex-soldier. Yeah. Didn't he just release a cringey video? Was that him? Oh, yeah.

Totally. What happened in the video? So did you see this video that Dan Crenshaw put out? I didn't see it. It's really, really funny. And I think it's meant to be over the top cringe because if there's one thing conservatives know they can pull off it's intentional cringe i'm not trying to be mean but conservative content is like never really good like they try and do movies they just don't have it but what the one thing they can do

is just accept it and then roll with it and it's funny so it's basically like he like he's giving a speech, and then someone comes up like, we got a situation. And then he's walking. He's taking off his suit. Like, what's the problem? And they said, we got two candidates in Georgia and Antifa. So then he gets in a plane, and then he jumps out of the plane, and he's going down. And they're like, Dan, you're going to need to change locations. Antifa's on the ground.

He goes, negative. I'm going to take him on or whatever. And then he like from the sky with a parachute lands on the hood of Antifa's car and then punches through the window and then goes, Loeffler and Perdue, Republicans. And it's super cringe. But it's funny. It's funny. I think as long as he's self-aware, then it works. You know what I mean?

But if you really thought that was going to be like a really cool badass thing he was doing like i don't i don't think that's the case i think i think he gets it's like over the top silliness but yeah kind of funny uh anyway i digress tulsi gabbard's awesome i love the left hates her and dan crenshaw i think is you know he's okay he's pretty cool the trump supporters hate him so like you know with all due respect because brett's really great dude i like tulsi gabbard but you know the left really doesn't like me and they don't like tulsi at all so i don't know who this can we need enough people involved that it touches to you know enough of the consciousness that people will support just something new that where people really believe in it and doing the right thing you know upholding the constitution or they said

jocko willink as well jocko I think actually he would get a ton of unity support. Secretary of Defense, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Ranked choice primary to figure out who the candidates would actually be. You know, the problem is the best people to be put in positions of power are the ones that don't want it. Of course. The problem is the people who want it the most and are

egomaniac psychopaths are the ones who usually get the position. And those are the positions that are usually drawn to them yeah i mean george washington didn't want it uh u.s grant didn't want it also side story uh jefferson davis didn't want to be the president of the confederacy either they just named him and he's like oh crap all right uh daniel maxwell says off topic but what do you guys think about restricting all elected officials, state and federal, to 12 years max of being elected office? I just said we need mandatory term limits for everyone, not just the president of the United States.

It makes perfect sense. I love it. It's a complicated job. It's a complex world. There's a learning curve. I don't know. Do you want a bunch of rookies doing it all the time? Yes, because they're going to be ineffective

and not know what they're doing. And they're not going to get a lot of stuff done. And that, to me, is the best thing government could do is stand back and not do anything. Yeah, or the ones that are ineffective and they vote for more programs and then they're just even more of a waste and bigger disaster.

This is interesting. Bailey Ray says, Tim, the town I live in, Montgomery, Texasas has not shut businesses down nor enforced a mask mandate he made a public statement early on in the pandemic and i can send a link if you'd like freedom i was mentioning this too earlier when i mentioned there's this town mossy brook where the mayor was like nah we're not shutting down there's probably a bunch of places where they're like nah we just don't hear about it because the news doesn't cover these smaller towns well and there hasn't been an incident there's no incident right unless the state unless the state governor like goes in and compels them you know with the state troopers or

whatever to enforce there's no incident it's not a story maddie says people keep saying red states would be a third world country isn't texas and oklahoma economy together the seventh largest in the world also best was to undermine authority is through laughter. We beat the establishment by making them a laughingstock. In fact, isn't that

one of the rules for radicals? Ridicule your opponents. Ridicule. Their most important position. Number 11, I believe. Yeah, ridicule it. Because you can't argue against ridicule.

I was listening to a Hotep Jesus clip. He's really smart. He was mentioning that. He's like, this is what they do. So they try and mock you by saying, if you come out and say i believe in in some kind of like you know certain system to benefit us they'll say that's white supremacy or something that way they're essentially triggering their audience and giving you

putting you in a position where you can't even argue because it's nebulous it doesn't mean anything yep redone value says tim the supreme court actually did the right decision by not choosing that case because that case would create the president for other states to sue the precedent for other states to sue each other and trust me we don't want that e.g california suing texas on tax laws or gun laws perhaps but i don't necessarily think that like the the court future in the future could say no just because precedent exists doesn't mean the courts have to listen to that precedent. They can overturn precedent precedent.

My understanding is that when someone says, like, I cite this law, they're basically saying this is the laws that was settled before. So you should probably agree to it. But the Supreme Court can overturn past decisions and past precedent whenever they want, if they so see it. Born Mexican, raised in America, says Tim, a bill will be introduced into the Texas Congress for Texan to vote to leave the union. Texan have always been have always seen themselves separate from the U.S. SCOTUS really pissed us off. But haven't we heard things like this before from Texas, too? You know, Texas was its own country.

I also read that when they were being admitted, they were given the choice to be five different states. But they decided to remain as one. And there were some special provision granted to Texas when they joined because they were their own nation, different from many of the other states which were territories. Boy, I bet they wish they had 10 senators now. Did you guys see as Halsey Gabbard proposed a bill, H.R. 8970, to repeal the U.S. Patriot Act. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was with, that was with, wasn't it with another guy?

Thomas Massey, I think. Yeah, Massey. Yeah. See, Tulsi's great. I like that, Thomas Massey. I like him. Yeah, Thomas Massey's a good dude. Another homesteader.

We could probably get him on the show. Let's do it. Thomas Massey? Yeah. I'll hit him up. Thomas. I'll message him right now. I'm already talking to his office.

No message him. Yeah. Luke, what the heck? What heck I want to have also the Peak Prosperity guy on I think he's awesome Peak Prosperity Chris Martinson I think he would be a great addition Just to have on and talk to him because I think he's done A lot of great work that has helped people

But that's my opinion I would like to talk to Thomas Massey too I came to him through homesteading And then I realized he was a congressman Wow yeah cool Yeah he was a congressman. Wow. Yeah, cool. Yeah, he's a solar house. He's got a beautiful house that he built himself by hand. It's incredible. Oh, it's awesome.

Heavy timber made out of stone from the property. It's gorgeous. Hayden said, I think in order to vote you should have to pass a U.S. citizenship test as well as a basic civics test. If you can't pass basic U.S. knowledge and a test on how the government works, you can't vote. The issue i see is who administers the test and determines the answers you know i don't completely agree but i don't disagree either like you get a license to

drive a car well voting is serious shouldn't you just go to you know and when you're registering to vote you get pass a test so you understand how the process works and why it works the way it does sounds like it makes sense to me if the test was just about how the process works and why it works the way it does. Sounds like it makes sense to me. If the test was just about how the process worked. Voting is a right. It's not a license issued by the state. Yeah. Well, gun ownership is a right.

And in many places, you need a license issued by the state. I agree. Not saying if it makes any sense, but yeah, there's a consistency there for sure. Yep. I mean, dude, skin in the game, older. I understand so many of the earlier voting restrictions that were in place now as I get older with more to conserve. Yeah. I was so crazy when I was young. I wanted to say that, but I was like, wait, is he going to talk?

Is he going to talk? Just let that last comment fester. It sure did. Just looking for some good super chats you know taking it easy super got a lot of super chats so uh sean williams says prosecutors dropping charges is them telling rioters their lives are worthless that their lives are worth less than the cost of the ammo used to end it the day is coming when the people will take the law into hand and that's what i'm worried about i'm worried i'm worried about that and in a couple different ways like in v for vendetta when the guy's telling the story about what's he's like

i can see everything happening and then he's at line where he says eventually someone will do something stupid and the cop kills a little girl and then the people just come out and start beating the cop to death i don't i don't think we're anywhere near that but we're at a point where cops are arresting business owners sooner or, someone's going to get seriously hurt. So if this keeps going on, how long until someone actually violently defends their property and their business? And then the cop who shows up shoots the guy. Big difference between defending your property from a looter and defending your property from a law enforcement officer.

Wow. That's a big step to take. So imagine what we're seeing now, right? We've got multiple videos of business owners yelling at the health inspector, the health officials, citing them, screaming, you can't do this to me. It's not a law. You can't do this.

And getting fairly aggressive. At a certain point, I worry that somebody is going to be in their business. Maybe worry is not the right word, but it's possible I think would happen. And they're going to be like, my life has been destroyed. I'm starving. I have no money. And this is it for me. I have nothing left to lose.

And they just punch somebody in the face who comes in their business. The cops show up and they say, essentially, suicide by cop. Like, this is my last stand. The movie Falling Down. Then what happens? Yeah. But then what happens when there's a local

business owner? Imagine this possible scenario. I don't know how, I don't think it's very likely, but just imagine. You've got a beloved restaurant. The neighbors always come down and they go and they see,

you know, Alan and he makes their sandwiches and he serves them every day and he's loved by the neighborhood. His life's been completely destroyed now. He's ripped into a savings. He's lost his home. His business has been destroyed. It's been a year of lockdown. They keep fining him. And he says, I have no choice. Either I do this or I don't eat. What am I supposed to do? It's like we saw in Tunisia, the guy who sparked the Arab Spring. The government kept telling him you can't sell your fruit anymore. He had a fruit cart. And they they kept saying no so eventually he went in front of one of the

government buildings and self-immolated and then the entire north africa just lit up people snapped so imagine you have this guy beloved member of the community everybody knows him he's a he's a happy little old you know late 50s guy who's always the kid comes by and he's like let me get you a sandwich don't worry it's on it's on me and everyone loves him and then one day after finally being beaten down he says enough and then he tries shoving and fighting and then the cops tase him he goes down in a heart attack and then the people who know and love him just snap and start beating the crap out of everybody who was enforcing these laws how long until people just break it happened in tunisia i think that there is a comparison to be made here

with the perceptions in the African-American community that the police have already been doing this to them. They've already been killing them. They've already been, quote, violating black bodies and black space. And we've seen the reaction. It's already happening. What you're asking is, is another subgroup of Americans going to feel as though that the police are their enemy and start lashing back?

It's already happening in America right now. Not even like on that big of a scale. Just like one person. So like I mentioned, the V for Vendetta, the little girl is running in the street and the guy holds up the badge and then shoots the girl. And then the people just come out and they don't care anymore. So like what happens when I guess it's not even about the police in general they just don't view him as a cop anymore they just view him as a guy who killed their friend and they just don't care they got nothing left to lose with too many people this business owner and the people who live around

them feel like everything all is lost i'll tell you this because i've now cited this like five days in a row it was a writing from ulysses s grant who said anybody who feels that the government is repressing them has the natural right to revolution. But just know, when you declare this, you are staking your life, your property, and your guarantees as a citizen. And should you lose, you must live under your conqueror. If they've already taken people's property, stripped them of their guarantees as a citizen, and are now putting their life in jeopardy, that's when you see Arab Spring level snapback. I was just trying to explain this to my daughter, who's 15 years old, just the other day in

the car. And I got amped up. And she sees it sort of my way, but she's also in Montgomery County School, so she's getting the leftist stuff. I combat it all the time. And I got amped up, man. You're right. You're absolutely right.

We had revolution for less of an infringement. Yeah, seriously. We have had revolution for less of an infringement than what is happening right now and what will be happening for the foreseeable future. These are the conditions for revolution. It is in our history. There is precedent. Even other countries, countries too i'm worried it'll look more like syria though so like i mentioned the arab spring the guy in tunisia

was trying to sell i think it was apples and fruit and the government kept stopping and stopping him and he couldn't survive anymore so he lit himself on fire everybody went nuts there was uh some some papers were written about what caused the arab spring and one of the uh they said that there were there's three components that people need and it's like food security and i think maybe like water or something i don't know shelter i think shelter food and security like knowing that you're going to be safe otherwise you start getting anxious when you have no security if you have no shelter then you have nothing to lose you have nowhere to go and if you're starving then you become absolutely. And they're basically saying that the price of food was rising

so much that people had become so desperate, they just snapped. They were angry and fed up and didn't care anymore. So I think the riots we saw earlier the year were part of that. They redirected it into, you know, Black Lives Matter stuff. They control that flow of anger. But what happens when regular apolitical people who just don't care and aren't interested in politics are brought to the brink and it's like it's like they're being pushed every day a few more feet to the edge of the cliff eventually they're going to be looking down going i can't go any further man and they're going to turn around and they're going to grab the stick and start swinging with it what i is so weird i see happening is like these in my town washington dc so many restaurants have shut. So many bars have closed for good.

Permanent gone. And yet, who do they blame? They blame Donald Trump. Right. So like where the anger goes is a whole nother question. There could be that kind of anger. But where does it get directed? When you were describing that situation, I was literally thinking about my family members and their stories about

the solidarity movement where they fought back under communism since again communism set up a martial law and it created a situation where people weren't able to provide for themselves weren't able to buy products weren't able to survive and then they revolted against the communist uh ussr state and fought back and successfully were able to win what was what did they do well well there was a large massive piece uh you know first it started as a kind of very large peaceful movement it was a movement that solidified a lot of the working unions and a lot of the working class as well as the church that came together and resisted and called for national strikes that didn't cooperate with the larger kind of system that the USSR wanted.

The USSR literally sent down tanks and they were about to reinvade Poland because of this mass movement that the Polish government tried to squash down and tried to destroy. And we could talk about this tomorrow because I have a lot of things to say, especially my uncle being sent to jail and all these crazy personal stories that i could share that is is a huge testament to what i'm seeing kind of right now happening in the united states that's a big red flag and a big warning sign for me personally and from where my family in poland came from yeah well so i was saying before as i'm worried what we see what's happening here might be more akin to syria than it was like the Civil War, the revolution in that you've got different factions that don't agree with each other.

And so if we get to the point where the pressure from this lockdown breaks people, you'll have Antifa on their autonomous zones, which we've been seeing for some time. And they're armed militias. They're walking around with like, you know, AR-15s and other rifles. And they're taking this territory and saying it's theirs. Well, why would a conservative group interfere? they're not going to go to portland they don't care about portland they're going to have their autonomous zone in their area eventually you're going to have the joe biden establishment apparatus trying to quell different factions who are pushing back and resisting and then eventually you might see the leftist groups start to come together and the right-wing groups have to come together and then the left and the

right groups don't agree with each other but for the time being the enemy of my enemy is my friend yeah so what happens after the establishment and this is an extreme hypothetical what happens then if the establishment you know government whatever just crumbles and then you have the right-wing faction left-wing faction some kind of split all sorts of cryptocurrencies will start popping up i I really don't think so. We shake the federal government off the bat. Well, they're trying to pass a new law right now that will make you having your own wallet, your own private keys illegal.

The U.S. Treasury Department is trying to pass a proposal right now. Exactly. Why is Trump doing something like this that's absolutely ridiculous? Because he doesn't know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. How many times can you keep saying that until you really finally understand the bigger kind of ramifications behind that totally i mean i mean i've been

i supported him and and and i support him 2016 2020 also openly critical the entire time and this is one of the key areas for sure uh tim on your last point it's funny to think who would be a great unifying force that would bring the far right and the far left together. And you know who it is? It's a Kamala Harris presidency. Yeah. Yes. Right. That could be what makes people on the far left, the far right actually see that they have a common goal.

Temporarily. Yes, of course. Temporarily. All alliances are temporary. But then what might end up happening is you've got multiple ideological factions with a singular enemy. And then once they start winning or gaining ground, they shove out one of the other factions. Of course. I mean, this is how it works. We'll win this fight, and then we'll deal with our stuff later.

No, but even before they've won, once they start realizing know realizing that the establishment government is weakening you get a mexican standoff everyone's staring at each other and it's like uh-oh you know who's gonna pull the trigger totally yeah all right let's see nathan b says the guy briefing crunch on the commercial was marcus latrell the navy seal they made a movie about about him lone survivor also i'm a trump supporter and i love dan maybe it's because i'm a disabled vet i don't think dan's as bad as everyone says i think he's kind of a chill dude and he's someone you can talk to so he's certainly you know but a lot of trump supporters really don't like him but the left doesn't like tulsi and and and you know so i don't i don't see how she's like i like tulsi i think she's great uh but but i don't see uh

you know there's got i don't i don't know who would be a better candidate, honestly. I don't think there's a unifying leftist candidate. Unless it's an enemy, like you said, Kamala Harris, you know. Someone said Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, 2024. Wow. MW says, what the hell is up with Ian and Banks? My God. Well, I got, when I, you you know i posted a thomas jefferson

quote on my twitter earlier that he thinks thought that standing banks are more dangerous or uh the the banking establishment is more dangerous than standing armies and i once you see compound interest and the way that they profit off of loans um they used to call it usury which was illegal by it was by death they would kill people for for requesting uh interest on loans they don't do that anymore now they love it yeah it's it shouldn't be a for-profit industry banking i don't think and and the fact that they're they're creating poverty and getting rich off of it but socialists up here yeah yep bra says jack is wrong voting is not a right it's a privilege granted that can be revoked.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that we have a right to vote. Actually, it's not true. Which? Which isn't true. That Brough is wrong. In the Constitution, Amendment 17, it says senators will be appointed by popular vote in each state. No, actually, I'm sorry. I'm wrong.

That doesn't necessarily still grant you the right to vote as an individual it just says senators will be chosen by a popular vote but then voting could be determined in any which way it's not specified so i was wrong on that actually bros bro i believe is correct yeah you got me all right let's see we got here nova zero says killdozer tim please buy a bulldozer for your property that is a folklore hero that embodies the rage willing to cause damage but not willing to take lives and unwilling You know the Killdozer story, right? You've told it to me, sir. Yeah, that's crazy.

I don't know about all that, but... A bulldozer that vibrated really fast, so it dug with its vibration, so you could cut through steel with it. Oh, you're super cool. Yeah. Cool, cool, cut through steel with it are you super cool yeah cool cool cool cool cool cool joshua inzer says i believe the disabled vets who are also trump supporters have less issues with crenshaw than you think no you're probably right i'm not saying every trump supporter doesn't like crenshaw i just know that there's a lot of them that that don't and i i was joking earlier i actually have no position

i don't really know him i think he's a cool dude i think he's a cool dude um i think i disagree with him a lot on a lot of issues but you know the difference between him and some of the like older republicans is i don't i don't see crenshaw as a crony corporatist he's probably got policy positions i don't like i know he's he's spoken in favor of having a presence in the middle east and stuff i completely disagree far be it for me to tell him i mean he was actually there and fought in the war but then i see someone like tulsi you know who's a major in the national guard and maybe not the same experience as him but you know i just don't like war so but uh anyway jack uh thanks for hanging out hey thanks for having me tim thank you very much lydia always so nice to see you and apparently you have a you have a website i believe in i have a website i have a youtube jack murphy live

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We also got Luke who's chilling. Thanks for joining us, Jack, from the North Pole. I know it's a very busy time of year for you here. You're the one with the elf hat on. I've got to point something out. Someone made a comment in the chat saying that they don't trust men who dye their beards. Yeah, well, I'm not your boss.

You dye your beard? Fake news! That's why I brought it up so you could correct the record. The beard is perfectly natural. My loving girlfriend who's a hairstylist gave me a trim

right before I came up with it. It looks extra good today. Thank you. But the color just is how it goes. The color is totally natural and I'm testing out a beard product, Mad Viking beard product.

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