Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #189 - Mike Pompeo Announces Executive Action Against China, w/ China Uncensored

Episode Date: December 19, 2020

Tim, Lydia, and Luke host YouTube commentators and podcasters Chris Chappell and Shelly Zhang to discuss China's growing role in American industries and institutions, including Mike Pompeo's state department's breaking news of actions against China, China's role in the Covid-19 crisis, Joe Biden's weakness for China, and the recent Chinese professor who hinted that China has played a role in Hunter Biden's compromise. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, the United States has been invaded by Chinese communist authoritarians and the incoming president-elect is compromised. His son has accepted money from Chinese communist-connected individuals and the incoming president actually flew his son on government property to China. All of that was true, right? I'm pretty sure I got it right. Yeah, Air Force Two. They flew together. Now, as for the beginning part, I'm joined by China Uncensored, and... I'm Shelley Zhang, the humor ninja of China Uncensored. That's right. I'm not funny without her.

Right on. Luke's also hanging out. We got Luke Kasky chilling over here. Yep. I have to say, I am disappointed, angry, and frustrated, Tim. The Emmys never got in contact with me for my amazing acting yesterday. With your little arms? And if Andrew Cuomo could win an Emmy,

so can I. Anything could happen. And also, specifically, thank you everyone who reached out to me through Venmo and Cash App, through Luke We Are Change. I got like 500 bucks. It means a lot to me. Thank you so much. The community here, I have to say, is utterly amazing and super funny.

And I appreciate you guys a lot. Thank you. We've got a lot to talk about today. Of course, we've got Sour Patch Lids over producing and pushing all the buttons. So I opened by saying that the United States is being invaded by Chinese communist authoritarians. What are your thoughts? Well, I might have suggested that. Yes, exactly.

That's why I said it. Yeah. Well, I mean, essentially, that. Yes, exactly. That's why I said it. Yeah. Well, I mean, essentially, that is the big story. That's how we kind of found ourselves making a satirical show about China news. It's that the Chinese Communist Party is having a tremendous influence in U.S., well, the entire society, in politics, in media, uh local level to the federal level and you know not a lot of people were talking about it when we started the show in 2012 uh it's coming out now though yeah so uh i've been i've been covering quite a bit of news for a long time when i was working for the company fusion in 2014 they actually did cover a big story i think this was the

nicaraguan canal are you guys familiar with the Nicaraguan Canal? Oh, yeah. China was essentially trying to bypass the Panama Canal. And it was a ridiculous project that would have destroyed a large freshwater aquifer and been very, very disastrous, but ultimately, ultimately got abandoned. So there have been reporters I've seen who have been tracking this stuff. But it's never making and as far as I've seen the big headlines, the front page of the New York Times, the things that are going on with China buying property in all of these different countries. They're buying up communities in certain places, owning all the land, and they're doing oil exploration in Africa, South America. They've got a ton of influence with security services in the South American countries. And it seems like probably, I would say, in my opinion, the biggest threat to the United States and probably,

probably to what we would define as liberal democracy or, you know, constitutional Republic like the United States is Chinese communist subversion. I mean, I think that's definitely true. And around the world, every time we talk to a,

you know, human rights activist from, you know, from Bolivia, from Cambodia, from Maurivia from cambodia from mauritania yeah like they are always talking about how china is basically infiltrating their countries paying off their dictators um putting their countries in debt taking all their national resources so you know this is like very it's been happening for years and people are only starting to realize it now, I think.

Maybe too late. I don't think it is too late. It's definitely it's definitely getting close to being too late, but it really depends on just the general American public, not just the American public, but in liberal democracies around the world. I don't know. LeBronames said china good steve kurtu yeah yeah that's that's lebron james is famous he and he's actually very good he's more famous than us yeah that's right yeah so he goes up there and he tells all these people nah chill it's cool china's all right well no the nba has had a huge backlash specifically this was one of

the major turning points i think in the past like year or two of people becoming aware of the influence the Chinese Communist Party has. When Houston Rockets – well, the general manager, Daryl Morey, he tweeted something in support of the protests happening in Hong Kong. Huge – NBA has like a $4 billion. Well, he tweeted free Hong Kong. Yeah. And the NBA has a huge contract in China. $4 billion. Is that about right?

Oh, yeah. It's a lot. And yeah, so there was talk of like them firing him. And there were even like Americans who went to basketball games, like holding like free Hong Kong signs. Yes, I remember. Yeah, getting kicked down and stuff. Yeah. So this was a case where like people saw, oh,icans are being censored in america because of what's

happening in china and so that was a big moment of like you know maybe lebron james maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about the nba had a basketball camp in xinjiang where the uyghurs were being imprisoned concentration camp i didn't know, my God. They only stopped that like a month or two ago, like this year, that like they had a partnership with a Chinese, you know, organization that was doing a basketball camp. Well, that's great. They could have waved to the Mulan production crew. Yeah. Also, very interestingly, there's some reports coming out of Australia that Nike, that of

course, hires LeBron James and is almost going to make him a billionaire, that they're also using some Uyghur Muslim slaves in order to produce some of their products, sneakers and of course also the NBA jerseys that a lot of the NBA players wear. What do you make of these kind of reports coming from Australia? Do you think they're legitimate and do you think there's any credence behind them? Well, I think I think one sad thing that doesn't need to be mentioned is that you have companies like Apple and Nike, like actually lobbying against a bill going through Congress right now about forced labor in China, they don't want it to pass. And this is the big issue you see that, you know, if you treat china like a country that has concentration

camps you can't treat it like a normal country you know we should all be investing money and doing a lot of business yeah it's great buy their bonds don't buy their bonds um yeah i mean i think the it was the australian strategic policy institute that did that study um and they're they did a lot of research into this and it's pretty legit like i don't think it's uh the chinese communist party got really pissed off about them publishing that like they're basically punishing australia right now with a big trade war and one of the things that they were mad about was this particular think tank talking about the uyghur stuff like they had this like 14 point bulletin of the things that Australia has done wrong.

And that was on the list. Didn't the Chinese government release a fake video of, allegedly, an Australian soldier hurting a small Afghani? It was a photo. It was a photo? Yeah, it was a propaganda poster. It was like an art illustration. So I think it's safe to say that relations between China and Australia aren't really the best right now. The funniest thing that happened recently is

the fact that they stopped Australian coal imports as part of this trade war thing. And now there are several cities in China that are running out of power because they were dependent on these coal imports. A necessary sacrifice for the greater good. So now there's reports that they're doing

rolling blackout kind of things because they're running out of power, because they stopped the Australian coal, because they want to punish Australia. They shot themselves in the foot. They're also in a really critical situation with food supplies because they had unprecedented flooding this summer. That's right. And so they've been importing more grain than ever. It's up 30% from the previous year. The floods were were hitting wuhan right uh yes you wuhan has had a very bad year interesting very bad of all

the cities i suppose there's other cities that had bad years though in china so it's not well yeah they probably all had a pretty a pretty bad year yeah well let's let's uh let's let's jump to the first big story uh before we do make sure you guys smash that like button and share this video. Share the podcast if you really do think we're doing a good job and help support the channel. But we have this breaking news coming out of the State Department. And I'll tell you the first and the weirdest thing. Nobody's written about this. We were sitting here waiting all day.

There's a big announcement. Mike Pompeo said executive action was coming later today. It was going to be big news. And a lot of people were wondering, would this be Trump firing off that executive order over foreign election interference, finally taking control and winning the election? And no, it's U.S. imposes sanctions on People's Republic of China actors linked to malign activities. So it's a lot to do with mass surveillance, military modernization, human rights abuses

and the South China Sea. And it's about sanctions against specific members mass surveillance, military modernization, human rights abuses, and the South China Sea. And it's about sanctions against specific members of the Chinese Communist Party, who, of course, the State Department, Trump's administration have been railing against a whole lot. So it's not what a lot of Trump supporters were crossing their fingers for, but it is still pretty significant action. From the latest actions we've seen from the U.S. government, one of the biggest impacts that I can say will hit you is that when you go to Best Buy and you want to get that fancy little gimbal to film things with or you want a drone, you ain't going to get it. U.S. government adds DJI to commerce blacklist over ties to the Chinese government.

American companies will be forbidden from exporting technology to the drone maker. So perhaps we can still end up getting it here. It doesn't seem like it'd be likely. I don't know. Do you guys know about this? What's going on with the DJI thing? I think it's generally they've been added to this blacklist. That means that U.S. companies can't export technology to them.

So they can still send it here then? Yeah, I think like Huawei can still, for example, sell phones in the U.S., but they just can't, you know, the U.S., but they just can't buy U.S. semiconductor chips. That's kind of weird because it wasn't part of the reason why we weren't buying technology from China is because they're putting secret stuff in it to spy on us. Yeah. Yes. Okay. All right.

But I think legally this Commerce Department entity list can only prevent U.S. companies from exporting things or from selling technology to them right yeah so but you're allowed to buy whatever you want i guess yeah so i think it's about time we uh we ramped up this is my opinion maybe you know you guys are the experts um maybe we should sanction china to an absolutely absurd degree across the board until they end what they're doing to the uighur muslims well you need to get wall street on board with that and that might be pretty challenging. I got a shed full of pitchforks and torches. You got a couple thousand people.

Maybe we can occupy Wall Street. Has that ever been tried before? I don't think so. Have careers ever been built on that before? Now, interestingly, it was tried. They never actually did. They never made it to Wall Street. They went to Zuccotti Park down the road. That's true. I was there the day they walked into zuccotti park it was weird yeah very weird but uh we we have what disney did mulan in you know where they were where they're where they have

concentration camps and then they thank in education camps right they're not saying it was concentration they're just trying to. Vocational training. Yes. To lift them out of poverty. Isn't that what they said? And to prevent extremism. That's right. Yes. All for the good. So Disney famously thanked the, what was it called?

The Xinjiang Public Security Bureau. Yeah. A country that has public security bureaus and Ministry of Security. Yeah. Amazing. And they kind of defended themselves by going like, well, we were just supposed to thank the, you know, the areas that helped us, you know. We filmed lots of places. Yeah. Amazing. And they kind of defended themselves by going like, well, we were just supposed to thank the, you know, the areas that helped us, you know.

We filmed lots of places. Some had concentration camps. Apparently. Some of the people we thanked were responsible for those concentration camps. You know, it happens. It's not that we're thanking them

for the genocide. No, no. It's that we're just grateful that some of these people won't be alive anymore well well the official family guy joke by the way the official chinese communist stance is that this is vocational training centers that are a part of a poverty aviliation scheme to help train poor rural workers to learn chinese and find employment and they have to shave their heads and make them wear jumpsuits right it's just like it's almost it's almost like a beautiful work of art the way

that they've managed to make all this propaganda feed into each other because one of the biggest propaganda elements that they use in china is we've lifted millions of people out of poverty and they'll use that as like a human rights thing like they'll be like whenever like human rights day rolls around like december 10th uh they'll be like, you know, our biggest human rights achievement is lifting millions of people out of poverty, even though they destroyed the economy in the first place. And then when they backed off and stopped, you know, controlling everything and let people make money again, people lifted themselves out of poverty. But the other part of it is they kind of use that to cover up all their other human rights atrocities. So if you talk about, you know, being out of poverty as a human right, that's, that's so so just, you know, we kind of made some, I guess we can call it a dark humor, crude joke, very, very dark, but I but

I did kind of rip off Family Guy in that one in my defense. But considering the actual severity of the things that China is doing, particularly in this area, shouldn't we stop American companies from investing in this kind of stuff or from having factories, from having production in China until they stop doing this? Yeah, as I said earlier, it's an issue of like people don't think of china as like a horrible authoritarian regime that has concentration camps they think of it because china has been very successful at a soft power push and buying off it's called elite capture basically buying off politicians people in the media wall street like you said wall street uh so it's just an issue of like most amer don't know it. Like Americans really understood what was happening. I don't think they would tolerate Nike trying to, you know, shoot down a forced labor bill. I mean, they're doing it.

They are doing it. I don't think people really know about. No, they don't. And that's kind of scary. You know, I've had I've had conversations with I had a friend. I have a friend from Ukraine. And when I was there during the big – you know, it was 2013, 24. I think it was 2014 – well, 2013 when they had the big protest that ultimately led to separatist movement and conflict. I was talking to a friend who was talking about how she's going to make the world a better place, very lefty, leftist kind of mentality. and i said but do you really believe that i mean the computer you're using was made at the foxconn labs in in in china where people are walking off the buildings in mass suicide because of how

horrific the conditions are and she had no idea and it actually made her cry when she she was like i but i'm trying to help my people i'm like yeah she was like i'm trying to help the world be better and i said no no no you're trying to help yourself and your community and i'm fine with that i can respect that you know you want the people and where you live to do better but you realize the fact that you have that computer and that phone you have people working in essentially slave labor conditions jammed in these tiny boxes and it's so bad they they actually put up suicide nets around the building to catch people from just walking off the edge i was like when you give them money you're propping that system up and you're actually making it worse that kind of made her you know it's kind of harsh you know she kind

of had a hard realization of what was going on you know well actually i think to an extent if people were focused more on building up their communities uh you know the the issue is like the when china joined the world trade organization like american manufacturing got gutted lots of jobs went to China. You know, it's insane that because of, you know, various regulations, it's cheaper to make stuff in China and sale it all the way around the world rather than having it made. You're telling me, man. Down the street.

Skateboards. Really? Skateboards. The wood comes from Canada. They ship it to China. They make it into a skateboard and ship it back to the u.s now some of that's been changing a bit now some of the manufacturing is done in mexico but that was always the craziest thing to me they're like we make our boards from 100 pure rock canadian maple

and i'm like wow where's your factory in china so you get the wood from canada send it to china then send it back that's insane and and that is the cheaper option. Exactly. That's something. And it's because the people in China are being paid trash and there's no, you know, look, if you hire someone in North America, guess what? You got to pay taxes. You got to pay health care and you got in many circumstances and the wages are typically much higher. So these big companies have found a way to essentially extract what's left of the value of the U.S. And China has found a way because what essentially happens is the American workers lose their jobs and make no money. Then they eventually can't even buy the product.

So the rich people extract the money from the poor people, and then the people getting paid are in China. And then eventually there's nothing left for the people in this country. Yep, it's a win-win for the super rich. That was essentially a blueprint of what Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, and David Rockefeller had proposed when they went to China and, quote, opened up China to the rest of the world. And that was such a significant meeting. And we still have to understand, the person who essentially blueprinted this, who made this happen, Henry Kissinger, he's still around being rewarded and seen as some great kind of diplomat. Meanwhile, when we actually see the ramifications of his actions, the consequences are severe and they don't work out in anyone's favor except for the super rich. So I don't know if you guys know a lot about the opening of China, but I think you guys probably know more than me about that. Well, gosh, that's

a huge topic. Did you see that Kissinger was in the news a few weeks ago advising Biden to basically reset relations with China? Wow. Yeah, so the same guy who made the blueprints is now telling Biden what to do. Well, Trump fired him. He purged the

advisory board of the Pentagon, which included Kissinger. I was honestly shocked to hear that he had a position that he could still be fired from. I know, right? And he's still alive. He advises the Pope, okay? Barack Obama's national security advisor said that he— No, no, no. There's a different one.

I believe his name was O'Neill, said that he takes his daily orders from Henry Kissinger when he was the acting national security advisor. So Kissinger has a lot of influence, a lot of powers, but we see where his allegiance lies, especially with the policies that he set forward that had these huge ramifications and essentially destroyed all the manufacturing, blue collar, middle class jobs. And they took them and replaced them in China, where now we have all of our goods, all of our resources sent to them to be processed by sometimes slaves, sometimes the Uyghurs,

sometimes by individuals who have no other option but to make your little goods, and they send them back to you so the super rich could sell you them on Amazon and Walmart. Walmart, by the way, who's investing in Wuhan. I don't know if people knew this, but Walmart is investing a huge, substantial amount of their profits to Wuhan of all places in the world.

It's a safer investment. Think about it. In the United States, we protect the little guy to the best of our abilities. It's not perfect by any means. The elites certainly extract value and can suppress and oppress workers and unions and things like that. Not that unions are perfect at all by any stretch of the imagination. But with an investment into China, you know that if your company is successful, the Chinese Communist Party will put the boot down on anyone who dares oppose you.

So you think about the risks in the United States, labor laws, health care. Why should we have to worry about the little people? The elites in this country have found a way to extract the value, partly by sending things to be manufactured for dirt wages in china and then once they've gutted the manufacturing base of this country and everyone's settled with ridiculous debt and the only way people can think to get a job is to go to college rack up massive debt and then they can't find a job oh that sounds familiar the elites will just leave these are people with tons of money they've probably got money in panama or wherever they were storing it cayman islands or whatever and they can easily just be like well you know we've

extracted all that we can out of this country it's nothing left but a withered husk time to go to china invest in the in the real estate or or the companies there and then you have protections based on the authoritarianism of that nation they're kind of scurrying themselves though really i don't have to say that because they believe the chinese communist party will not screw them and it's right completely like so many people have been screwed going into china these businesses tech companies um famously a few years ago there was like a u.s wind turbine manufacturer made the solar uh not solar the wind turbines for wind power and they found out that they're chinese joint venture partner because legally you must have a chinese company work

with you when you go into china you cannot that's going by yourself you have to have if you have more than 50 employees in china you must have a chinese communist party branch within your company this is law uh and then they found out that their partner was basically replacing all of that they had stolen their property like intellectual property and had replaced their the stuff in their wind turbines with their knockoff version wow and they basically were able to be take away all of their business and this is not like an isolated incident it happened to segway yeah there was there was there was a chinese knockoff segway uh that stole their technology got so much bigger and then they bought segway wow and and then like nobody talks about it because you don't

want to admit that this happened to you so then like these companies go in they get screwed uh then the pharma companies go in they get screwed hollywood goes in wasn't google supposed to go into china weren't they making a special chinese chinese a chinese google search engine which they scrapped and aren't they still working on artificial intelligence with the chinese government what's the story with that well so what happened with like uh back in like 2000 was it seven eight nine google was in china for a while uh and they were trying to like kind of work within the system, you know, censor some stuff. But then like they hacked Gmail and got like the information of a bunch of Chinese citizens. And then they were at, to their credit at the time, were like, we're uncensoring our

search, kick us out of China. And then a few years later, they realized, well, they removed Don't Be Evil from their byline. And then they started secretly't be evil from their byline. And then they start secretly working on a search app. That's a really weird thing to do for anyone. Even if you were planning on being evil, wouldn't you at least lie? But to be like, we've once said we didn't want to be evil, but now we're kind of thinking, you know, go either way. It was an interesting.

I wonder who was behind that decision. They were like, what happens if we have to be evil? You know, and then people are going to yell at us. Let's just take it away. And then when we are evil, we'll be like, well, we got rid of that thing.

That's why I don't blame them for what they were doing. I do think that Google's Project Dragonfly was one example of something where people made enough of a stink about it that they could not handle the bad PR and scrapped it. Yeah, even their employees were

like what because it was secret from the employees right right right so yeah that's a good example so the uh you know go ahead well so somebody somebody once framed for me pretty clearly like if the chinese communist party like actually like sent in planes and troops and tanks and like took over the united states you know started gutting it the manufacturing gutting like all the technology in silicon valley replaced politicians people would freak out and it would be like the biggest bloodiest insurgency in history but they did it quietly with money and influence so the same things are happening they've bought off a lot of people in in hollywood and the, and the same things are happening. Intellectual property theft in Silicon Valley.

So we have been invaded just what they call unrestricted warfare. I put it this way. If China invaded the U.S., started seizing large swaths of land, started compromising our politicians and sleeping with certain California congressmen and stripping away intellectual property rights and basically, you know, using our own companies against us. Censoring our movies.

Then what would happen is the American people, I tell you this, because the American people are lazy and complacent. They'd roll over and be like, well, you know, I'm not going to do anything about it. We literally have Joe Biden, they say, is going to be the president on January 20th. He's going to be inaugurated. And we've already had one of his former family confidants, Tony Bobulinski, come out and say, I believe Joe Biden is compromised by China. We have two investigations into the Biden family from Jim Biden, Joe's brother, and

Hunter Biden. And we know for a fact that Joe Biden himself flew his son on Air Force Two to China for these private equity deals. My first question is, I don't care what you got to say about any of these investigations. Shouldn't we stop and be like, why is Joe Biden using government property to enrich his son? Why did he bring his son on this plane to negotiate this deal? That's suspect already. Father-son bonding. Yeah.

Or outright and overt corruption by which 80 million people will support it. So I tell you, if the Chinese were like, we're going to take over your country, you'd have 80 million people screaming and clapping and cheering for it. Well, they don't. How were they supposed to know about the Hunter Biden thing? The media actively censored that. We got smeared for covering that, actually. We did. That it was far-right Russian disinformation.

Yeah, that's right. Despite the criminal investigation that is actually going on. And we knew about it. And despite the email that happened in 2017 with Hunter Biden asking a very famous Chinese energy tycoon best wishes for the

holidays and asking him for $10 million. Or where he said, we're trying to get a room for, you know, we're trying to get an office for everybody, including this, you know, Chinese company, as well as Joe and whatever. They were office mates, I suppose. So look, there's enough, I would say, circumstantial evidence to, in my opinion, warrant riots in the streets from the American people. You said you had pitchforks here. Yeah, I have a squeegee. That's as close as I can get to something on a stick.

So the pitchfork was a lie? Yes, it was fake news. I am disillusioned by this show. I do have matches, though. They're the really good ones. They're the Strike Anywhere matches. So you can hold it up, and you'll look not nearly as angry. Yeah.

You'll burn your fingers in, like, 20 seconds. Yeah, that's true. I think you can't use that analogy anymore about, like, torches and pitchforks. Oh, yeah. Ever since the tiki torches became, like, the wrong kind of thing. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But, so, you know, I'm looking at a lot about what's going i'm looking at a lot what's

going on say in in new york and california it's not just that our economy is being gutted our manufacturing is being sent over to china we don't even make our own medicine anymore that was the craziest thing when we had a pandemic but pandemic hit and we're like we need medicine quick call china because we don't have any factories i can actually make it the coronavirus really made a lot of people become aware of uh of the situation like uh when like medical supplies even things like kettlebells you couldn't get it because everything was made in china i mean right now it's really hard to it's it's still hard to get a lot of specific uh equipment professional equipment bicycles it's all made in china it's interesting on the medical side like we actually do do a lot

of pharmaceuticals but a lot of the raw ingredients so the things that go into the drugs come from china and there's nowhere else that you can get them and the and the craziest thing too is uh rare earth minerals right which we use for i guess smartphones among other things we get them we get it almost exclusively from china right that's my understanding japan does did recently find like a big but they're but it's everywhere it's actually not uncommon to find it there are rare earth minerals in the u.s yeah yeah but we just go for it china we're just gonna give all of our money and keep printing it now we've got 35 of all u.s dollars just being printed like crazy we've got to get some we've got

new york california michigan these states have violated the constitution beyond any record like i mean listen if you come out you say we need to have an argument about gun control i understand the second amendment but you can still have a right to keep and bear arms with some restrictions there's an argument and people actually argue it although many people are now becoming rather too a absolutist because of you know the riots and the craziness but in in uh you look at new york andrew cuomo is like if you're protesting you're okay you have your rights if you are pro joe biden please come out dance in the street and drink champagne together but if you want to go to a church never going to happen if you want to run to a church, never going to happen. If you want to run your business

because you're running out of money and you need to feed your family, no dice. This is extreme degrees of authoritarian, despotic. I don't even know. Is there a word more harsh than I can get? Psychopathic malevolence, where he's basically said, you know, he had NYPD going to Jewish schools with children and the cops would point their phones inside the windows to film them malevolence where he's basically sent, you know, he had NYPD going to Jewish schools with children and the cops would point their phones inside the windows to film them to prosecute. NYPD police officers went undercover to a restaurant, ordered food, and then as soon as the person delivered it, arrested them.

That's the level of depravity coming from the likes of Cuomo. And no one, no one in this country is doing anything and that the police officers support it. So, you know, to wrap, to make sure I'm not trying to get off on a tangent outside of the China stuff. When we hear that there is Chinese authoritarian communism and things like this, the American people seem to just roll over and take it for the most part in these blue cities. But, but I'll tell you, I don't see the political willpower from Trump supporters or anyone who could do anything to stop it at this point. They're going to completely destroy the economy. And they already have.

The federal debt to GDP ratio is now at 128.6%. We're dropping and collapsing so quickly that when many people talk about Thucydides' trap, and I talk, are you familiar with Thucydides' trap? I talked about it quite a bit several months ago, that there's been fear for years that we will eventually get into a full scale war, a hot war with china because they're a rising economic power well i guess there's one way to avoid it have our own politicians destroy this country from the inside out and then there won't need to be a war you know i think uh we did this we did this episode pretty early on the coronavirus called the cure for coronavirus is not authoritarian

authoritarianism and it was based on the idea that like the chinese communist party was trying to use their model of controlling the coronavirus which is like locking people in their homes like literally welding them into welding people in their homes dragging people out of their homes to put them in quarantine you know arresting people like beating people up for being on the streets when there was a lockdown. And kind of like providing that as a model for other countries as to like, this is the way to deal with the coronavirus. And you did see Western media somewhere like, hey, you know, it might be a little authoritarian, but it's working. Yeah, like, you know, they got rid of it. So it kind of works. So I think, in a way, like the things that you're talking about in New York, or the excessive things that they're doing in California and the different places, like, you know, it was almost like it was like it happened in China that they did this lockdown, then it happened in Italy that they did the lockdown, it kind of gave permission in a way for all of these, you know, people, politicians in different areas to be like, this is the way to deal with it. And because China lies about the actual coronavirus numbers, it seems effective.

But the numbers in China are completely fake. It's obvious if you look at it. Yeah, I really wanted to ask you this, but it's kind of strange that these kind of top Democrats, even the New York City mayor today, Bill de Blasio, came out and just plainly said, I'd like to say very bluntly, our mission is to redistribute wealth. So it's very interesting seeing these Democrats kind of mimic the language and some of the behaviors of the communist Chinese. But from your sources, from the people you talk to on the ground, what's really going on there? Did they defeat the

coronavirus? Because we're seeing a lot of photos of them raving and partying and having these huge the marathon, the street marathon. Yes. How does like how does how do you guys make sense of this story of this deadly pandemic everywhere? But China's having street parties and raves at the same time. Did their lockdowns work like what's going on here? Well, first of all, I know you have some specific things you want to

say about that shelly but um like over the past couple of months you keep seeing like certain cities in china declaring uh wartime measures to fight the coronavirus because there's oh some rumor that maybe like somebody got a case and then suddenly they need to test 70 000 people in a city and they can do that in like three days because it's a horrible authoritarian regime but so you get the sense that uh it never did stop there is still something happening uh the extent of which we can't know and i know you have some specific things you were talking about earlier oh yeah just the idea that you know well i mean in terms of the numbers there's no way to like you cannot there's no way to even guess because it's not really going to be based in reality because like their gdp numbers the gdp numbers aren't real um you know there was you know china's been

organ hard force organ harvesting from decisions and you know it turns out that like some people did a study and found out that like the whole since 2015 they've claimed that they only have organs coming from you know know, voluntary donations. You know. Sure. Sure. I got a couple kidneys I don't need. Yeah.

And then they basically, these researchers found out that their voluntary donation numbers and their transplant numbers were all fake. They all mimicked a quadratic equation. Perfectly. Really? Almost perfectly. So are they actually harvesting organs? They are.

From political prisoners. political prisoners they are doing uyghurs falun gong they're definitely doing organ transplants their official numbers are fake yeah yes surprise surprise isn't their real estate all fake too uh yeah uh yeah you know i watched uh i was watching a video someone posted on facebook i can't remember what it was but maybe you guys know where a guy was explaining the the warfare strategy of china is exploiting the weaknesses of a nation that they accept so if you allow free speech then we'll support protests against you if racism is a very sensitive issue then we'll inflame it and we'll just keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it and that what we're seeing right now is actually the fifth generational war full scale with China.

They know that if they actually, you know, crashed some U-boats on the shores of California and ran in full speed, they might have a very large ground army, but the people would fight back and the Americans would win air superiority for one thing, plus all the aircraft carriers we got. So what they're doing is subversion, manipulating our systems, stock market, buying land, control. You know, they're coming in, they're undermining all of our institutions. It's working and it's being, it's collapsing underneath us. And I wonder when we hear things like that from Bill de Blasio, these people like Bill, I look at the Chinese Communist Party. I think they're very smart,

very, very, very smart. They understand why they had to have some kind of capitalistic system in their country to actually allow it to expand economically. Because, you know, the things they were doing very early on kind of didn't work. Like, didn't they kill all these birds at one point or something? The sparrows. Right. That was like didn't do anything, did it? They had kids literally pulling grass out of the ground because grass was bourgeoisie. So, like, clearly that stuff didn't do anything did they had kids literally pulling grass out of the ground because grass

was bourgeoisie so like clearly that stuff didn't work but now you have people like bill de blasio who clearly is not a smart person saying we're gonna do this you know redistribute wealth so it seems like they've bought and paid for as many elites as they can you've got the thousand talents project program or whatever out of these universities where these people are essentially spies it's really amazing they're not getting charged with treason and then the way they've gotten a hold of universities is is horrifying we could talk and is it is it but is it is it a coincidence then that the universities are the epicenter for the most part of this woke broken theory critical critical theory that makes no sense about what you're talking about and have no knowledge

none whatsoever no no so no no no never never never we're playing it safe right shelly super safe apparently well i think that in a way like the chinese communist party is happy to see us destroy ourselves but um they don't really care if we follow communism as an ideology that's not really what they care about what they care about is having the u.s become weakened and so they can continue to you know um oppress all these other countries and like you know specifically they're growing influence in Asia Pacific. Yeah, definitely. So the reason I bring this up is we had a story in The New York Times. It was updated a couple of days ago, but it was from about a week or so ago where a university professor said we should not give the vaccine to the elderly because they tend to be more white and we need to level the playing field with minorities which is one of the craziest

things i've ever seen written in the new york times where they outright said this professor believes older white people should die to balance the number of harvard professor uh no no university of pennsylvania oh okay oh but at the same time at the same time from the college fix we have a story about cornell which is mandating only the white students get the vaccine. So the critical race theory stuff is completely nonsensical. It just makes literally no sense to be like, well, it's racist to give the vaccine to the white people. So we're going to give it to the minorities. But at the same time, only the white people should be forced to get it.

It's like that theory makes no like none of that makes sense. Right. This ideology clearly has no no end point, no goal, no success. It's just chaos. And so when you see this coming out of universities, you see things like the thousand talents program. I'm not I don't want to get too conspiratorial. But I think we're talking about China trying to subvert this country country and they have a program in which they buy out university professors. And then you have many university professors who are espousing nonsensical ideas that will only destroy this country.

I kind of feel like there's some lines to be connected there. Maybe I'm wrong. This thousand talents is mostly about science and tech stuff, because what they really want to do with that is steal U.S. technology and bring it to China. Literally paying professors to bring their research. Not to say that specifically, they're using 1000 talents to espouse this kind of weird, you know, far left or critical race theory stuff. Just that I think if they're willing to do that in universities, would they not be willing to push this other kind of ideology because it eats us alive from the inside? I do think that the critical race theory is interesting in the sense that the Chinese

Communist Party is like what you said about the video where they'll use our weaknesses against us or they'll use our strengths against us and make them weaknesses. So with the racism thing, that's one of the things that they've definitely been using. Especially in Australia. Well, in Australia, but also also here to when people started blaming china for the coronavirus that was definitely racist it's racist to talk about how it started asians asians are white yeah that's the that's the new thing yeah i was very happy to tell shelly yeah i was very disappointed to learn i was actually i was really excited because it turns out that

i'm double white because you know yeah right yeah I get to be white twice. So is that more power? I don't know. Super privilege. Does that mean you are or aren't going to get the vaccine? Well, for my allergies, I'm not. Oh. Oh. I actually do have allergies.

Yeah, yeah. Not legit allergies. Back to our topic. I think you guys were talking. Hey, quiet down. We're talking about something interesting. Allergies. Tell me more.

Yes. I think you guys were talking about the larger divide and conquer agenda. And it is interesting to see a lot of special interests from China do give a lot of money to the universities. And it is kind of exemplified, as we saw with, again, I'm going to bring this back to Mayor Bill de Blasio, because his administration, during the early onset of the coronavirus was saying, it's fine. Don't be racist. Come out to the Chinese Day parade. Everything's going to be fine.

Don't worry. Don't be racist. And then next week, he's literally threatening martial law where even Andrew Cuomo had to stop Bill de Blasio and said, wait, hold on there. You're pushing it too far. If you're going farther than Andrew Cuomo wants you to go, you know you're a lunatic and you absolutely lost it. And he has been a part of this larger divide and conquer, supporting Black Lives Matter protests, openly calling for demonstrations. Meanwhile, telling you you can't have dinner with your family because it's going to spread the coronavirus and kill everyone. And this Black Lives Matter thing also, we have to admit here, is being exploited by

the Chinese, as there have been many Chinese diplomats that have come out and said, the United States is racist. You know, look, we support Black Lives Matter. There was even a police officer in Hong Kong that was screaming at American journalists there, Black Lives Matter, as he was beating the crap out of the dissidents in Hong Kong. So we have to understand there is an element of this exploitation of our racial divide by the Chinese, whether it's being weaponized or just exploited,

I think is something, a topic of debate that I think we should talk about. I think it's their favorite thing to bring up, and it's the racism, because it's like, that's the number one thing that they can, anything they can hit us with. They know it hits a nerve in the U.S. Yeah, and it hits a nerve in the U.S. And also, everything they do is whataboutism in a certain sense, where if you try to bring up human rights atrocities in China, the first thing they'll do is bring up racism or whatever. Steve Kerr did this. Remember the NBA guy?

He was like, I don't go around asking about our police brutality problems, you know, and we got issues we got to deal with. It's like, bro, you don't talk about police brutality, we can.

You want to talk about concentration camps, we have to. Didn't that happen with, was it Mark Cuban, somebody who- Oh, yeah, who was like, oh, man.

That was also terrible because he was like, China is a customer yeah but we should i treat china as a problem but we should you know we should start in our own like clean up our own house yeah that's a fundamental problem you need they talk about china like it's our customer instead of oh the chinese communist party has concentration camps and harvests the organs of people who have wrong political beliefs. I think that's one thing like Joe Biden came out with a with a statement during Human Rights International Human Rights Day, which was the 10th.

And what was disappointing was that he kind of he was like, yes, there are many human rights atrocities around the world. But then was like, we have to talk about systemic injustices here in America and whatever. And that's fair. But it's kind of like it is it is very similar to chinese propaganda in the sense that they're always talking about like well before you can talk about what's wrong in other countries you have to clean if you're not perfect you cannot talk about anything else jordan peterson says clean your room bucko you know you can't are you

saying jordan peterson's communist yes i'm saying he's secretly subverting american i'm kidding Jordan Peterson says, clean your room, bucko. You can't compare the two. Are you saying Jordan Peterson's a communist? Yes. That's what I'm getting here. I'm saying he's secretly subverting American. I'm kidding. I mean, you can't compare the two. It's not apples and oranges when you compare Black Lives Matter to the Uyghurs, especially when you look at the kind of xenophobia and the treatment of blacks in China. And there was an amazing, incredible video that came out that was off-stunning,

showing what was happening with the Chinese government literally blaming black people for the coronavirus inside of China, kicking them out of their own homes, kicking them out into the street. And then this is the country lecturing us about Black Lives Matter? They made a commercial where there's a black man put into a washing machine. And you guys, I'm sure you saw this. And it created an uproar in the U.S. So for those that haven't seen the commercial, there's a Chinese woman and a black man. She pushes the black man in the washing machine and he comes out Chinese. And there was outrage in the U.S.

And China's response was? They were like, ah, you Americans, you baitswa, you crazies. You're so sensitive. Grow up. They didn't care. They also blackface yeah the cctv you can go ahead yeah but every year they have this uh communist uh gala new year's show and yeah last i think was last year they had the like somebody dressing up oh the africa yeah like china in africa and how they're like helping all the african people and they had like an actress in blackface and and as like ever like so many of the uh you know experts from africa we've talked to are saying like this is colonialism this is neo-colonialism so i remember

spending time in africa doing reporting and i was surprised how many chinese nationals were at the airport at the hotels and they're building a Chinese surveillance state in those countries. Yes, most importantly, I mean, I was in Kenya and Zimbabwe and Somalia. And even in Somalia, I saw some Chinese nationals, which was pretty surprising, to say the least. But talking to almost every African, a lot of them brought up to me, the Chinese are here, they're taking over, they are the new colonizers, this is crazy what's happening here.

And I was shocked to the level of how many Africans were talking to me about this seriously whether it was taxi drivers whether it was waiters whether it was random people that I walked into or was interviewing they're like you should really take it take a look into China and how they're essentially taking over all of Africa and usurping all of our natural resources and buying off our politicians and it was surprising because I didn't know about it until I was in Africa and actually saw it on the ground there. This actually goes to a point Tim was making earlier about how the Chinese Communist Party

is a threat to democracy worldwide. So there's the influence that the Communist Party is having in the United States and Australia, but using Africa as an example, what they'll do is they'll go to dictators, horrible regimes and say, hey, we'll give you money that the West isn't giving you and we won't tie, you know, freedom of the press or any of those things to it. We'll also give you Huawei technology to help you spy on and track down opposition leaders. So we will make you a more effective authoritarian leader. And so this is how like every every year like a freedom house uh organization uh rates like at the progress of freedom and democracy in the world and like we've seen a

backslide because of the influence of the chinese communist party it's this there's these two competing spheres of power and unfortunately the authoritarian communist model of China is rapidly growing. And if they ever take over Taiwan, that will be a disaster. I think that'll happen under Joe Biden. Do you think so? Well, so then we should be talking about like Kirk Campbell and Jake Sullivan, like people who might be working for the Biden administration, some of the things they've said. And it does seem— What are some examples? And who are these people?

Okay, so Jake Sullivan was the national security advisor to Vice President Biden. Biden wants him as the national security advisor. And he talked about how, like, he considers China's rise like one of his great successes. He was working for that. And he and Kirk Sullivan, Kirk Campbell, penned an editorial in Foreign Affairs where they talk about, well, like keeping the status quo with Taiwan, for instance. And China has promised to invade Taiwan. Yeah. They're doing beaching drills.

Yeah. And they normally, like every year, there's like this message about peaceful reunification. They removed peaceful this year. Violent reunification. So, you know, what happens when the status quo is changed by the Chinese Communist Party invading Taiwan? What are they going to say about that? Kirk Campbell. Yeah.

Kirk Campbell was also behind one of the biggest foreign policy failures of the U.S. since like the fall of Saigon with the Scarborough Shoal incident. In 2012. What was that? So the Scarborough Shoal, we actually went there. We'll see if we can tell that story later. It's like this reef kind of near the Philippines. It's very important to local Filipino fishermen. It's in the South China Sea.

And originally it was kind of a place where filipino fishermen vietnamese fishermen chinese fishermen they could all go and fish in the place it was claimed by several different countries including the philippines and china yeah but then in 2012 china sends in its uh coast guard and basically occupies the shoal um kirk campbell leads the u.s delegation to because the philippines are a treaty ally with the u.s. We have a mutual defense pact with them. Mutual defense pact. So this might trigger that, right? That they came in and-

Yeah, if they come to blows. It looked like they were going to come to blows. Whoa. And so they work out this deal where, you know, the Chinese will leave and the Philippine sides will leave and that'll be fine. Well, the Philippine forces leave. The Chinese forces stay. Yeah.

Sounds about right. And the U.S. did nothing. did nothing under trump no this was under this 2012 under obama oh that's right wow and this sent shock waves throughout the asia pacific because suddenly this was like all of these other countries realizing if the u.s will turn its back on a mutual defense ally what's going to to happen to us? So Thailand began moving closer to the Chinese Communist Party, Philippines, South Korea. We also lost South Korea

when we were putting in the THAAD missile defense system. And China freaked out about that and began a huge economic warfare against South Korea. No support from the US. I was, we were both, Luke and I were in South Korea and there were people protesting the THAAD defense system.

Yeah. I mean, it was controversial within South Korea. That is true. That is definitely true. But so this was like devastating for the image of the U.S. all throughout the Asia Pacific. And that was Obama. That was under Obama. And specifically this agreement was negotiated by For a guy who loved war. You'd think he'd have done something. I mean, supposedly somebody said, we're not going to go to war over a bunch of rocks.

Was that Kirk? It might have been Kirk Campbell. I think it was him who said that. That's insane. But the wider geopolitical effect it had was— It was disastrous for the U.S. It was terrible, and it allowed China to basically have free reign within the South China Sea. In general, I don't think they were prepared for that.

I think that totally rewrote their timeline of what they could do. Because after that, that's when you see them really building up artificial islands and militarizing them. These are tolls, right? Like these roofs and stuff. Now they have, like, missiles on them yeah and when the u.s says hey don't build those missiles what do you think uh china's gonna do well uh do you remember recently when they did the elephant march i think it's called in guam elephant march yeah so uh when the strike group from china went through the that's straight between taiwan and

what's it called oh the taiwan street Strait. Taiwan Strait, I guess. Trump had deployed bombers and heavy military forces to an airbase in Guam. And then they did, I guess it was called like an elephant walk or something, where you see all of these war planes going around showing them, look what we got ready to go. And then we retreated because the U.S. military found out that China has weapons capable of wiping out the entire airbase before those planes can get off the ground. So we were forced to pull back and retreat. Well, that also reminds me of that the Chinese Navy has more ships than the U.S. now, which are not necessarily the same equivalent in terms of technical capability. Yeah.

But the U.S. military has been so focused on the sandbox. Yeah. And not on China. I'll tell you, not that it's a one for one comparison or a comparison at all. But I think most people who play strategy games know the power of a wave of small troops versus one powerful unit. So we often hear from the U.S. gun control advocates when they say, well, you think you're going to go to war against the American government? They have cruise missiles. And the typical response is, if you think – if that's what you think, you need to look up the history of Vietnam and Afghanistan.

A handful of people with weapons is going to outdo – is going to easily – I'll put it this way. Fighter jets can't occupy street corners. So there is something to be said for China having more ships, even if they're not nearly as capable. Because, you know, and correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you guys are experts on, you know, World War II and Russia. But I was reading about how Russia mass produced really low quality tanks that were getting blown up like crazy by the Nazis.

But they just had so many. Just wave after wave of our own men. That was kind of the AK strategy, right? The what strategy? The AK-47. Just like a cheap, easy, simple gun versus like the M6. They had all kinds of issues. The AK-47, you could bury in the mud and still use it.

Make something that is cheap but easy to produce and fast. And then, sure, the Nazis were able to blow up these Russian tanks, but they just kept sending wave after wave because they could just keep making them. The Zap Brannigan strategy. Exactly. Wave after wave of our own men until they run out of bullets. We have to understand, when we look at China's strategy now, it's pretty brilliant. I mean, historically, China hasn't been that strong because of its geopolitical location. But if they're able to offset the fight on islands,

especially along very important trade routes, they're implementing a similar policy like the Japanese did during World War II. They don't want the fight in Tokyo. They want the fight in the Pacific. So this is the first beginning of this Chinese expansion, which they need because essentially they're landlocked and they're landlocked in not a strong position. When you look at their natural resources, they're not doing that well. As you said, they just imported a whole bunch of grain because it's very hard for the Chinese government and the Chinese country to produce for itself. This is why they're also trying to expand their territory in the Himalayas against the troops in India. So we're seeing if China really wants to dominate the world, they're going to have to have a bunch of islands along these trade routes. And if you

look at world wars, they always start along trade routes. So this is very key. And one of the reasons why they're building so many of these strategic locations that they're expanding it. So we have to keep it. Five trillion dollars of shipping goes through the South China Sea. Yes. Yes. And so they need that seaport control. That's why it's so important to them.

And the reason why they're putting the Uyghur Muslims in these camps is because they need total social control. People who adhere to a religion have a higher power. They need to be the power. Weren't they replacing image like religious images with like chairman mao oh yeah definitely i mean that's been going on for a while yeah well also now she and she and mao though it's the same strategy they've actually been using all throughout the 70 years of the chinese communist party's history like everything that's happening in xinjiang, to a lesser extent, they did to the Falun Gong practitioners before that. And we were just talking to somebody from southern Mongolia. Which is inner Mongolia.

Which is inner Mongolia. They did the same wave of genocide in Mongolia that people don't really hear about. They did it in Tibet. These are all the same things, just the same strategies just being refined and refined. And we just don't stop. I'll tell you something crazy uh there was a period where just i'll just say some someone that i know very well would make you was it was a youtuber and they got an email one day from someone who asked them to upload a video to their youtube channel not to run an ad not to do a promo to straight hey would you

be would you be willing to upload a video to your channel in exchange for 200 the video was some guy in new york talking about falun gong and how backwards it was but it was a really interesting bit of propaganda where the person wasn't saying falun gong is bad they were like it's so strange that we we allow this weird cult like religion in our country why would we do this you know we have these people and they're dangerous and it's like a really really i said i said don't upload that don't take the money but people did so so they found channels that were small to mid-size maybe 10 20 000 subscribers or more would just be like wow a couple hundred bucks i need the money and they would upload this propaganda piece from china wow yeah yeah it's it's amazing like all the little pieces of

propaganda that are able to filter into the US. Can you guys explain some of the larger propaganda efforts that are utilized in China? I know there's a crackdown on religions, but are I also have seen videos of people rebelling and fighting against the Chinese government as well. Is there anything legitimately going on or is the propaganda so strong with the social credit score that there isn't any resistance at all? Oh, OK. Here's an interesting story that kind of ties into that. It might seem tangential. There was a story this past year of a Chinese student who was studying in the u.s he did a he made a post to twitter in the u.s comparing chinese chairman xi jinping to the villain from biker mice from mars

okay and then he goes back to china and is arrested for that so the the first and biggest victims of the chinese communist party's actions are always the Chinese people themselves. Yeah. Now I think you should tell the story about Chenguang Chen, what he told you. Oh, yeah. Chenguang Chen is a blind Chinese human rights activist. He's the daredevil. He's the – he was a barefoot lawyer in China and he was arrested for basically trying to help women who had had forced abortions because of the one-child policy.

And he was just trying to help them get some kind of, like, legal redress. China is anti-choice and anti-life. Yeah, just both. And then he was put in prison for years for, you know, traffic violations. Wow. prison for years for you know traffic violations um wow and then he was put under house arrest for many years too but he managed to escape house arrest uh and uh make his way to beijing we had activists helping him and he made made it to the u.s embassy wow uh back in 2012 and the u.s ended up granting him asylum oh wow um so we interviewed him last year and he was

talking about how you know it looks from the surface to a lot of people like the chinese people as a whole support the chinese communist party especially because a lot of the chinese nationals that you'll meet in places like the u.s they're rich and they're rich because their families have some connection to the party or their families are party members like they have some kind of wealth that's tied back to the communist party so you know and also all the young people have been kind of brainwashed to be very nationalistic so they'll be very supportive of the chinese communist party but that's not the real case on the ground but you can't know

that because even on the internet chinese people are very careful about what they say because they know that you're going to get sent to prison for you know saying the wrong thing on wechat or whatever so they won't say it online there there are videos i've seen where you know somebody might be filming in china and then they ask a question the person will like go under their breath and be like i don't know i can't talk about this yeah yeah and yeah that's so he was saying that there are people there are so many people who are against the chinese communist party but it is hard unless you have the connections inside china to know that they're there i want to point something out real quick too uh because there's a stereotype about chinese people being really bad drivers right you've

probably heard it family guy has a joke where you know just the other day we're watching family guy there's a chinese woman and she's like how many how long do i need to signal to change eight lanes and then she just crashes the car whatever but uh i was talking to this guy i know who who spent a lot of time of a lot of a lot of his life in china and he said what people don't realize the chinese who can make it to the united states tend to be wealthier than those who are, who stay in China. It's only possible. And many of these people have their own drivers, their whole lives in China.

They come here and they, they're not drivers. They're the wealthier people. So now they have to drive themselves. And so it's a class issue of where you end up seeing these stereotypically bad drivers. Not to say that it's legitimately true that, you know, every person is bad at driving, but he pointed out, you don't realize these are the wealthy people who are coming here. And that's why that stereotype, you know, ends up coming about. I mean, in China, people are notoriously bad drivers, but that's also because they've only been driving since, like, the early 2000s, really.

Oh, wow. It wasn't long ago with bicycles. Yeah. So most people had not been driving that long. So there's a lot of like, you know, the kind of traffic adequate that like the kind of stuff that's not necessarily a law, but like people learn. Like, you know, you're going to let people into the lane if they need to like merge or whatever. That stuff doesn't exist. Right.

Like that kind of culture because they haven't been driving that long. It's pretty easy to just find like horrific videos of like someone crossing the street and and then just at 100 miles an hour, boom, run over by. There's a lot of those videos. There's a huge emerging middle class in China, which is looking like it's going to be a problem for the larger government. It's very interesting to see how they're going to address that problem. But very interestingly, when you talked about the one-child policy, I automatically thought about many American elites, a lot of specialized high-level individuals like Ted Turner that are fans of the one-child policy and have complimented it before on the American stage as well. So it is interesting to see the kind of ties to a lot of these individuals. I actually talked to Ted Turner and I asked him, if you believe in the one-child policy as you as much as you do and and as much as you advocate for it why do you have four

children he didn't like that question but well it's it rules for thee but not for me of course yeah that's how it is i mean some animals are more equal than that even the one child policy the is the one child policy was a failure absolutely And the Chinese government kind of knows it, but they can't say it. Because they can't admit they made a mistake. Yeah, so that's why there's now a two-child policy instead of a one-child policy, because they realize they screwed themselves with the population control. And just a big picture for a moment, the Chinese Communist Party has concentration camps, harvests organs, and for many years it was illegal to have a brother or a sister. Wow. There were some.

It's a rule. The thing with Chinese law or policy is that it's very unevenly actually. It's kind of like they have a decree from up top, and then it's up to the local officials to implement it, and they do it very unevenly depending on where you are. So if you're in a wealthier area, maybe you just have to pay a fine and you can afford it to have another kid uh in the rural areas like that's like the more disadvantaged you are like the more likely that it's going to be like you get hauled into a van or forced abortion or something like that because they have to make

an example out of you and also the terrible thing was that a lot of these family planning policies like the one child policy they were a way for local governments to make money so if they couldn't find you then they would make an example out of you and uh that even like you know in the 90s a lot of people were starting to adopt chinese girls like right in the u.s and other because they were like oh well girls aren't wanted so you know we're gonna have this 30 million more men right so that's what i wanted to ask right did they create this imbalance where there's not enough women for the men no they did but also there was like

something that weird that happened where there became a black market for chinese baby girls to sell to be adopted in the U.S. What? Because, like, they would, like, let's say you had a second child, and it was a girl, and you didn't want to give the kid up. They could take the kid from you and put it in an orphanage, and the local government could be like, this baby was abandoned. And then, so you had cases of, like, families where, like,

their kid was literally taken from them. And then, you know, the adoptive parents like usually pay hundreds or maybe a couple thousand dollars to the local government for the adoption so the local government is making money off of like stealing kids and selling them to be adopted to the u.s so cool and sex trafficking is such a huge issue like i know the trump administration uh sanctioned or sanctioned, but like called out China for human trafficking. But yeah, that's that's a big way they're dealing with this gender imbalance. Yes. Sex trafficking from Myanmar, from North Korea, you know, from like, yeah. Our show, it's got lots of funny humor. It's fun to watch.

Do you think a hot war is inevitable or possible in our lifetimes i i mean it depends on a lot of factors um i think would be more of a slow the worst case scenario i think would be a slow choking death for the u.s uh the u.s doesn't do anything it's it but it's not over yet at this point i don't i don't know if i agree it's if they ever invade taiwan that will be the the moment if the u.s lets that happen that's that's probably horrible i think joe biden will i think you've already outlined the people he's surrounding himself with and i didn't even know about that was it the scarborough Shoal?

Yeah. That's horrifying. Biggest foreign policy failure since like the fall of Saigon. And like hardly anyone knows about it. And they scream, you know, Trump is the worst and Obama had no scandals. And that's shocking because look. He wore a tan suit once. That's true.

Yes, that's right. See, I think, you know, one of the things that Luke and I talk about a lot, especially I think most people when it comes to the Obama administration and foreign policy is clearly the Middle East, Libya, Syria for really good examples. The drone strikes in Yemen, things like that. I didn't even know about that, that he essentially abandoned our allies in the Southeast Asia. I think they started to realize towards the end of this Obama's second term that they had kind of screwed up in Asia. There was the pivot to Asia. But it was kind of it ended up being more of a pr kind of thing than actually policy i i look i think you know we had the tpp it didn't include china but you know these these

free trade agreements that uh the obama administration was very much in favor of the things joe biden has advocated for when i hear tony bobinski, you know, he's a guy, he's the guy who basically blew the whistle on the Biden family. Yeah. Say they're compromised. When I hear, look, there's a lot of things we can call Hunter Biden for these equity deals, the five, the $5 million forgivable interest-free loan, but Joe Biden, that was a nice deal. That was a great deal. It was great. They say, you know, Joe Biden wasn't involved in any capacity, but I got to bring it up again. You know, he actually flew with government property, Air Force Two, his son to China for these private equity deals. It didn't

go through, you know, but that's part of the connections. It did go through. It did go through. It did go through. The thing about that private equity deal is like the Hunter Biden lawyer came up with a denial. But if you read the denial, it's actually very cleverly worded because a lot of people don't know how private equity deals work. I didn't when I was reading about this Hunter Biden scandal at first, when it first came out a couple years ago. So I thought, Oh, well, like the what the lawyer said is correct, like he only put half a million dollars in or whatever. And but like, the truth is that that money, like the private equity deal actually did go through. And it's involved in a really weird way with Chinese state-owned corporations, where it seems like why would these state-owned corporations need this private equity firm made out of just Americans to come in?

Because the state-owned corporations are essentially, the banks are lending money to the state-owned corporations. There's no reason for a Western private equity firm to come into this. So we heard that viral video, Di Dongsheng, I think that's the name, I guess. And he said, you know, now that Biden is in, you know, Trump talked a lot about his son Hunter and how he built up this wealth. And then he says, who do you think got him that? And the audience laughs. And he says who do you think got him that and the audience laughs and he says got it yeah when you see things like that okay with the air force two scenario the private equity deal i tell you man uh i believe tony by belinsky that that joe biden's compromised and this creates

a very very nightmarish scenario for americans when we're watching specific states you know i'll single out the democrats on this one that are essentially using the constitution as toilet paper and then you have the real threat that china is it looks like they're preparing a ground invasion of taiwan is that is that fair to say is that is that too bold they're definitely preparing ground invasion of taiwan yeah it's hard to know how close they are to actually being able to pull that off um it's difficult but it can only happen at like two different times of year it's a very narrow weather right joe joe biden's not going to defend him well so i think the at an absolute minimum with the hunter biden stuff at an absolute minimum he had like

he had a point secret service watching over him it's impossible that biden did not have joe biden did not know something was happening yeah uh. It just is too much of a stretch of the imagination. It look if if if you guys are even somewhat jokingly, but it seems very serious to say that Chinese authoritarian communists or Chinese communist authoritarians are invading this country, they're subverting it. And you've got these people coming in the Biden administration who you say, are proud of what's going on. You know, Luke mentioning Henry Kissinger advising Obama's national security advisor. Is that who it was?

Yeah. Then at what point do the American people have to rise up in the streets and do something about it? When you buy those pitchforks. So you're saying if I buy them right now, if you buy it, they will come. Yes. If you buy it, they will come. What time of year would the chinese invade taiwan it's like march october march okay yeah yeah otherwise the weather it's just impossible

yeah as soon as joe biden won i i the first thing i said this is not a loss for just donald trump this is a loss for taiwan which essentially is being isolated not just by china but also larger institutions like the world health Organization that don't even recognize it as an official country. But another thing to really consider here is that also, you know, it's not too late. It's not over because China also has their own problems. When we look at their financial systems, it's just as fake and artificial as the United States. When you look at their huge population of men, when you look at their natural resources, when you look at the problems that they have within their own empire, you see something that is not as strong as the United States right now,

which is something important to highlight. There's one thing I have to say about that is that we did this in terms of like we gave China the money. We gave the Chinese Communist Party the money to be able to build themselves up. We built their surveillance system. Yeah, we built the Great Wall. Cisco built the Great Firewall for the Chinese Communist Party. Amazing. You know, we like all this foreign interest.

We have given them DNA sequencers to like places involved in organ harvesting. Yeah, and like the DNA sequencers are being used in Xinjiang to, like, monitor the Uyghurs. But I think, like, the mistake we're making now is giving them more money. The Di Dongshen thing that you talked about, most people have seen, like, the seven-minute version or, like, some of the clips where he talks about Biden and things like that.

But the full 18-minute speech that he gives, most of it is actually about U.s china decoupling economically and how you know he was like the u.s china should decouple but why are we inviting um you know wall street to come in and buy our bonds why are we inviting them to come you know establish their companies in in china it's very smart and i'll tell you why we should do this it's because whenever we you know we go invest in wall street in america like we use the u.s dollar we're playing their game because we have to use the u.s dollar that's how they can sanction us that's how they can have a trade war with us what we should do is invite them in and then they're playing on our turf if you know if

they're investing in Chinese bonds and Chinese stock markets, Chinese companies, then we get to call the shots. Wow. That was his speech. And I think one of the things is, we don't listen when they tell us what they're going to do. They've been very transparent.

But this is true of many communists, even here in the US. They often will scream exactly what their plans are. And the American people kind of just roll over and ignore it. Yeah. Is this why BlackRock is getting involved in China now? Yeah. I mean, they're being promised that like, you know, China, because BlackRock is thinking China has 1.3 billion people. We get our mutual funds in there. You know, our pensions, our bank accounts, our money, American money money is in blackrock it's one of the biggest asset management firms in the world we're talking about trillions of dollars and now

they also are getting bailouts by the federal reserve but they're now working with the chinese americans are invested in ways they don't even know yes larry fink the ceo of blackrock last year made a speech at like a big gala dinner for this U.S.-China association that was, and he was talking in front of Henry Kissinger, in front of the Chinese ambassador about how great China was. And, you know, they've, it's so great that they've lifted so many people out of poverty, you know, praising them using like China, Chinese propaganda stuff, and then saying, but like, you know what, there's still a lot of people who need help in china and you know black rock can you know we can go in and we can you know provide that type

of support for uh you know the chinese people and help them make more money using our services and you know who else is really invested in black rock uh comcast which owns NBC, MSNBC, which also has not really been reporting much on the whole Eric Swalwell, Fong Fong. New York Times didn't even cover it. Fong Fong, is that how you say it? I say Feng Feng. Feng Feng?

Technically, with my very good Chinese pronunciation, it would be Fong Fong. Does this play into the global reset for you? The great reset. Great reset. We actually have somebody on our team working for our other show america uncovered uh working on an episode about the great reset kind of looking at what they're saying it's actually weird how well i'm repeating what he has told me but uh that in like the actual speech it's very vague what they're talking about it's just like kind of

ideas but nothing specific which is very resetting global capitalism yeah yeah but what is what does that mean redefining capitalism for fairness and of course equality what it means is giving money and power to massive multinational corporations that's what it means and then they can bring that money to china oh absolutely yeah there's money to be made i i got a question is the gutter oil stuff true? You know about gutter oil? Oh, yeah. That was definitely something that was happening inside of China. Wow.

Do you want to explain to people what the gutter oil thing was? What was it? It was people were... I think Vice did a documentary about it. That's where I learned about it. So they were basically taking used oil and kind of... From the sewer, right? From the sewer.

And then straining it and reusing it. Yeah. As like cooking oil. There were videos that I couldn't quite stomach. Often we make the other member of our team, Matt, do the, watch the things we don't want to watch. We made him watch the Hunter Biden sex videos. Oh, no. Oh, jeez.

I think we scarred him for life. Yeah. I saw those. I remember watching a video about this, gutter and what was happening. People found essentially free. So they would take, you know, scooping devices of some sort and go into the sewer lines and scoop out refuse and then strain the oil out of it, boil it and then use it to cook food and sell street food. And people get sick from it. Guaranteed. Because it's my understanding is that it wasn't even necessarily food oil.

It was just oil. So they might be using oil from, you know, spilled out of a car or something. And it mixes in, they boil it down and they cook with it. People eat it. The Chinese Communist Party just like blew up any kind of rule of law within the country. And so it just became really horribly corrupt. I think the gutter oil thing, too, is like one reason why Chinese people don't actually trust a lot of the food in China. It's been regulated now, so I think it's not as big of a problem as it was a few years ago.

But I don't know if you know about, like, the milk powder scandal that happened back in 2008. No, the milk powder scandal. These babies were having, like, weird deformed heads and stuff like that and it turned out that like these farmers were putting melamine like the plastic you know like melamine to make the protein levels look higher somehow like whatever test they were using for protein like melamine could fake the protein level so they were buying kind of like extra melamine shavings from factories and putting them in the milk and it was making babies really sick and killed a few of them kidney stones like problems and they first of all covered up this whole thing because it was happening right before the olympics so like they covered up this for as long as they could and then

it kind of broke right after the olympics happened and then chinese people were like outraged they executed the head of china's food and drug administration because someone had to take the fall it also created a lot of tension between mainland china and hong kong because as chinese They executed the head of China's Food and Drug Administration because someone had to take the fall. It also created a lot of tension between mainland China and Hong Kong because as Chinese people knew about this, they started going to Hong Kong in mass to get baby powder, baby formula from there. Same with Australia and New Zealand. They started like Chinese people would go buy like formula and stuff from Australia and New Zealand in bulk so that you could not actually get it if you wanted it for your baby in australia i remember being in hong kong and being like why are all these people walking around with suitcases and why is there no baby formula anywhere and why are

they buying it up all the time and and then that story broke and there was a huge controversy but you see a lot of these kind of stories with fake meat, with fake fruit, fake vegetables. What are some of the most shocking ones that haven't made the headlines in the United States that you guys picked up on that really raised your eyebrows to say, holy cow, this is crazy? Any specific food? Well, the thing that comes to mind, it's not quite that, but just thinking of covering up, everything that's happening with the coronavirus essentially happened with SARS. It was the same thing, outbreak of the disease.

They tried to cover it up. It spread around. And actually, this is the main reason why Taiwan has done so well with the coronavirus is because they suffered really badly from SARS. So they basically established a team that was permanently set to monitor the outbreaks of infectious disease within mainland China. And so back in December, they were already raising warning flags about, hey, something's kind of spreading around. Maybe we should be on guard. Whereas the rest of the world, being very financially invested in China, was not paying any attention to that.

That's not quite as exciting as milk, but. I got a photo. I Googled the photo. Of what? Of gutter oil. Oh. I've seen. This is crazy.

It's a woman, and she's got, it's like a long stick with a, it's a big ladle, basically. Yeah. And she's got a bucket. She's pulling sewage. It's, she's lifted a sewer cap up and she is pulling sewage out and they were filtering it, boiling it and serving it to people.

Wow. You know, I think back to the days of snake oil in the wild, wild West. And you see, this is why I'm kind of a liberal and I'm, I'm okay with the regulation because I, you know,

I know the story about the Cuyahoga river, the, you know, the fire burst in the river and we gotta you know clean up our water clean up our environment this is the kind of stuff that nightmares are made of when it's just unrepentant it's just corrupt it's just power by any means necessary yeah actually that makes me think of what was it up in sinclair the the was it the jungle the jungle yeah yeah probably that picture does more than like anything we've talked about. Like, just look at them. Look at gutter oil from human. It hits you in your stomach.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, yeah, I remember it's, it's, there's a video from Radio Free Asia, I think going back to 2013 or so where they show the process of making this and that, that's crazy to me. Yeah. I mean, I think they've, they realized that that and that that's crazy to me. Yeah. I mean, I think they've they realize that that was like a really bad PR thing for them. But there's probably a bunch of things like that still going on to this day. We just haven't learned about.

Well, there's the wet markets that the Chinese government said that they were getting rid of because it could have been potentially where the coronavirus came from. And now the wet markets are back right now, which is another important aspect that people need to understand. Yeah. So well, so this is this is important. Can you guys break down what the wet markets are back right now which is another important aspect that people need to understand yeah so well so this is this is important can you guys break down what the wet markets are i mean largely it's like just a normal kind of outdoor market play a critical role in a lot of people's lives because there's not like in terms of like the food supply chain a lot of people actually buy food from the wet markets is it just it's like what like they have meats and foods out on like yeah so whatever yeah so like a lot of it is most most of it is just vegetables or like meat or whatever some of it is like living animals so you like in china a lot of poultry markets they're

like live chickens or whatever and then you get a chicken they'll kill it for you um but then some of these wet markets have like weird exotic animal stuff like bats yeah or pangolins or yeah like different i think because people were at first saying that like the wet market of muhan didn't sell bats but maybe it went through to a pangolin basically but like there and there was like a famously like a picture going around of like a board from this wet market talking about like how you could get like crocodile or like all these different like exotic animals but like that's not like that's kind of like not most of what wet markets are so wet markets are kind of necessary for their like for chinese people get food yeah but the food but like the kind of like exotic

animals like living exotic animals and stuff like that that That's where you the poultry, too. That's been a problem with like avian flu in the past. So that's where you can get into the trouble where like weird diseases could come up. Hey, wouldn't it have been nice if there was an independent investigation into the origin of the coronavirus? Yeah, sure. I was going to ask you guys, what do you think happened? Because the official story, according to the communist government, is that this was the wet market. There's some people speculating that this was because of the gain of function research that was happening at the Wuhan laboratory.

There's other people making up other theories. What do you guys think happened specifically with China? Well, specifically, leaked internal documents from the World Health Organization showed that they made a deal not to investigate the origin. Wow. The wet market was, like, they don't say it's the wet market anymore. Like, actually, what they're trying to do

is blame every other country they can instead of us. Yeah, they're saying Australia, right? It came from Australia. It came from Italy. It came from Italy. Maybe it came from frozen food that was imported into China. They're just trying to—they don't even say it's the wet market anymore. I mean, I think at first I thought, well, it's pretty likely it did come from a wet market

because that's what's happened multiple times with bird flu. And SARS was a similar situation. But, you know, it seems that there have been earlier outbreaks than what was associated with the wet market outbreak. So it's not really clear anymore. They're covering it up. And this is the reason why they're going so hard against Australia now. Well, one of the reasons they're going against Australia, but they were demanding an international independent investigation. Makes sense. And they hit Australia hard.

I was reading about the spanish flu the 1918 uh flu uh pandemic please don't call it the spanish flu it's you know diseases happen everywhere you're right you're right you're right i'm sorry well uh interestingly there's a there's several theories about where it actually came from and so the two leading theories that it actually wasn't spain it was uh it came there was there was world war one basically and you had a lot of people were in the trenches they were dirty they were sick they were injured so when they came back to the u.s they were bringing it with them and it actually started to mutate and expand and get really really worse a whole lot worse in the u.s but uh some have

said it came from china and the evidence for they say, is that China did not experience, they did not get hit hard by the flu pandemic. And the reason they think is that it originated in China as a weaker strain. The Chinese people gained a herd immunity to it. It made its way to, you know, through Europe to the U.S. And by the time the mutated strain had come back to Europe, they already had herd immunity to that similar strain. So they were less impacted by it. Oh, interesting. It's interesting to even, you know, go back 100 years.

Now there are academics who are saying, you know, especially Chinese academics saying that's not true. You're lying. You know, it was you. You're dirty and things like that. I had a moment where I was like 100 years ago wasn't 1918. It's so old. But just to break something up. sold um but uh just were you uh yeah just uh china back then was also an entirely different yeah that was that was before the communist revolution right yeah and i think an issue

people sometimes have is like they conflate all of china's 5 000 years of history to what the communist party is doing now right which, right, right. Which is grossly inaccurate. The Chinese Communist Party is, you know, communism is a Western ideology that came to China. And basically, it's the dark ages. Didn't something happen where they melted down all of their, like, plowshares? The Great Leap Forward. That's where they did that?

What was that all about? Why did they do that? Well, so Mao wanted to increase steel production. And so there was this insane thing where just everyone, like everywhere, like in hospitals and schools, they were all melting down metal to make steel. And it was not like steel you could use. It was bad, yeah. What was it? Pig iron?

Pig iron, that's it. Pig iron. Yeah. And like it was completely useless. You can't make a walk into like steel beams that you can use for anything. Yeah. And because it was like this, you know, top down state mandated thing, farmers like had to keep up production. And so they like there were issues of them just like using their farm tools.

And then famine. Starved to death. There was many reasons the famine happened. Yeah. starved to death there was many reasons the famine happened uh from the sparrow campaign where they killed all the sparrows because they the sparrows ate the seeds and so you got to kill all the sparrows sparrows also ate the locusts the the culture revolution was when they started purging all of the traditional that came after yeah yeah so so uh can you explain the culture revolution mal basically it felt that he was losing control of the party politically. So

he announced that like the party had kind of lost its way, that like the party was becoming too bourgeois. So they needed a cultural revolution within the Communist Party to kind of purge the party of counter revolutionary elements. And he and he gave power to the red guards which hadn't existed before they're kind of these groups of like young people who were you know basically worship mao so he basically used the red guards to um so he could take power from the people that he felt in the political system who were trying to like take he was also very paranoid so he felt that they were trying to take power from was also very paranoid so he felt that they were trying to take power from him so he used the red guards to basically uh cause chaos in society

and like there are different factions of red guards and they would fight each other in the streets um you know like the whole chinese society ground to a halt essentially it's kind of hard to like talk like for anyone who didn't live through the cultural Revolution to kind of like get the real flavor of it. I've heard described from Chinese people who lived through it that it's like we went crazy for 10 years. Yeah. I mean, it was really much worse in the beginning. And then towards the end, it kind of started to peter out a little bit more. My parents were both alive during the Cultural Revolution.

And they would talk about it, but like they wouldn't really, like, all the bad things that happened for a long time. And then they started, when I was, like, a teenager, actually talking about, like, my mom said she watched the students in her—she was in elementary school. She watched other students tie her teacher up and beat her. Wow. What? Because, like, you know, any authority figures were considered, like, you know, possible counterrevolutionaries or there were different phases of it where like you could be a rightist or you could be a counterrevolutionary. You could be like, like you could be like, there could be a lot of things that like, you know, you know, you could be a like if you were a fascist, you if you were you were like, oh, you might be related to a landlord. Like if your family used to own land before the Communist Revolution, then you were, you know, like you were like a black force. Like there were all these.

Or if you were tied to the KMT at one point. How many people died during this period? And do you see any parallels with what's happening culturally in the United States? Well, I do think the cultural revolution like nazi germany is a point in history that like we should all learn something from because how a society gets to that point it's it's it's something we all need to be on guard for because it was people are we are we on track to that point well so for example like one of the like people would call like somebody a counter-revolutionary and like i think it was nobody really knew what that meant it was just

like that's the bad thing yeah like and like or yeah or like how some people use far right what does that mean right alt right you had people spying on each other you had like neighborhood committees that were set up specifically to watch whether anybody was getting out of line had to be afraid of their children. You had children who like children were taught in schools to like spy on their parents to see if they were a counter-revolutionary. And, you know, you had people who actually denounced their parents to the Red Guards and the Red Guards killed their parents and they thought that they were doing the right

thing. That's creepy stuff. Well, we all know about, you know about Germany during World War II, but when you look at the lives lost then and when you compare it to the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the leap forward, it's insignificant. What are the estimates? What are the numbers?

Because I know there's a lot of debate specifically going around how many people passed away during this period of time. What do you think it is? Well, it depends on who you listen to for example uh according to the chinese communist party the great leap forward there was there was no great famine oh no because it was a couple years of bad weather no it was it was called the you know it was like three years of natural disasters yeah so it was like it wasn't mao's fault you know it wasn't the party's fault it was totally a

man-made disaster but like if you listen it's like you know years of natural disasters like it wasn't our fault um the cultural revolution they don't want to talk about even now um right after mao died they admitted that he was 30 percent wrong but 70 percent right and then they blamed it on his wife and the gang of four so they basically found other scapegoats that they could use so that they could still use mao as like the great helmsman and that gives you an idea of how bad the cultural revolution was the party does not admit any wrongdoing wow and it was so bad that they were like okay maybe mao was not like a hundred percent on the ball with that and but it was his wife, mostly. So I have a friend, I mentioned, I have a friend in Ukraine,

and she was telling me how when I was at her apartment, it's like these old Soviet communist block buildings that neighbors who would have disputes, the easy way to resolve a dispute was they would just call the police and say, my neighbor is bad-mouthing the party. And then the next day,

the apartment would be empty and the person would be gone. Off to theulags to go break rocks i know a story kind of similar uh from somebody i spoke to who lived this in china like uh again top-down government regulations there's mal said there was a specific number of percentage of the population in each area that would be counter-revolutionaries uh and would need to be purged so there would be counter-revolutionaries and would need to be purged. So there would be meetings where like the local people, like they have to decide who is the... Burn the witch. Basically.

And what it was is like they would just wait until like the first person had to leave to go use the restroom. And that was him. That was him. My grandfather actually got arrested in China, not during the Cultural Revolution.

This was... You have to understand that the Cultural Revolution was the biggest and worst of these political campaigns, but they never stopped. Like, you know, organ harvesting had fallen gone. Yeah. Since the Chinese Communist Party came to power in 1949, in the 50s, there was the anti-rightist movement. There was the Hundred Flowers campaign where Mao was basically like, I'm going to let a hundred flowers bloom. Please come criticize the party so we know how to do better. And then they basically rounded up and imprisoned and killed all the people who criticized the party. You know, so then you had the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution.

It was a test. Yeah. In the 80s. Yeah, they did. In the 80s, there were things like my grandfather was arrested during one called the Anti-Spiritual Pollution Campaign, which was like too many Western elements are coming into China. We need to like purge spiritual things. You know what I would do?

I'd be like, I have a criticism. The Chinese Communist Party is too good. It's just too good. That wouldn't work. It's too good. In the Cultural Revolution. That's a good criticism. There was this movement where I forget which country was, but somebody gifted mao mangoes it was um pakistan okay pakistan and mangoes were like totally unheard

of in china at this time and so then there became this cult of people worshiping mao's mangoes no i remember this because what happened was i don't remember this my father remembered this he told me the story many times like he, he remembered it. Yeah, he remembered it because the prime minister of Pakistan gave Mao this, like, mangoes. Mao gave them to the people. Like, he went to, like, a particular factory and were like, the workers in this factory should get the mangoes. And the workers in the factory were like, Mao gave us these mangoes. We cannot eat them. Like, let them become, like, symbols of his, like, love for the people, you know.

So then they literally like paraded the mangoes around the country there are propaganda photos where it's like the mass of people and somebody holding up a plate of mangoes there is literally a propaganda movie where they're marching down the street with mangoes uh and it's a huge parade of people and then like take take take a look that's the cult of mangoes look at this there's paintings of someone holding up mangoes and his little trophies yeah and they would make trophies they made these like fake mangoes mangoes oh that's our episode yeah that is yeah yeah so they made these fake mangoes that they then like brought around to all the different places in

china and were like look at look upon mao'ses. And my dad went when they came to his village to see the mango. And he remembered everybody was so excited to see the mango that came from Mao. And then later he realized it was a plastic mango. Because obviously the mangoes wouldn't have lasted that long. But at the time, everybody really believed that this was one of the mangoes from Mao personally. And in that episode episode we talk about a story of like one guy who was like oh it looks like a sweet potato they executed him

well let's be honest if there's one thing that communists are good at it's sending people to jail and killing them so at least they're good at that they're really good at killing people yeah great 100 million or more what is it more than that yeah well it's interesting we were talking to somebody about you know oftentimes people will say oh well you know they're they're great technocrats there in china and and that's actually like a horrible thing to it's what it is is like they have these soulless solutions to problems. Like if you have too many Falun Gong people, you need some organs. Simple technocratic solution.

Take their organ, sell it. It's become huge business. There you go. And then I think the thing with us admiring the technocratic ability of China, like when you see in the Wall Street Journal and the New Times, they're talking about like, like you know china's technocrats that build these like huge skyscrapers and these like high speed rail gdp scans you know or high speed rail which they stole from japan like all this kind of stuff and like we admire that um in a way and like we're like being this this way technocratic is good um and then we don't it's like taking the morality out of it because if you don't talk about you can't say genocide if you talk about genocide then you have to kind of

grapple with what is actually happening in china oh maybe we shouldn't be doing business there well another aspect that kind of really worries me with the technocracy is the development of artificial intelligence which we know china is rapidly working on with some of the biggest corporations in the world. How do you see this kind of race, which Vladimir Putin has kind of described as building the next nuclear weapon, which he described artificial intelligence as, specifically in relation to China? Well, it's not just AI. There is this bigger problem of China. The Chinese Communist Party obviously has no moral regulations on things. So they're able to invite scientists from around the world to come to China and do – we spoke to a geneticist about this.

They can do any – this is getting into Alex Jones' territory now. Congratulations for not being banned for having him on twice. Thank you. uh congratulations for not being banned for having them on twice thank you um but yeah they can they they offer scientists and businesses from around the world just unlimited sums of money to do whatever and uh you know because there are no privacy laws in china these big tech companies can have access to data that would be illegal in like the united states you know the best organ transplant breakthroughs in the past decade have come from China. Wow.

But because people don't believe that the forced organ harvesting is happening there, even though there is copious amounts of evidence that this is happening. For example, I remember this specifically, the Kunming Kidney Disease Center had a promise that if the first transplant didn't work, they would keep doing them until it did work and wouldn't charge you. And if you know anything about transplant, it is impossible to have, like, a bunch of kidneys lined up. Yeah, there was a story that broke. If at first you don't succeed.

There was a story that broke this summer where a Chinese woman who lived in Japan had to go back to china for this is a heartwarming story for a heart transplant it took them three hearts before she got one that she could like that worked and like it was like it was it was actually like you know portrayed in chinese state-run media as this great thing that like she was the the you know the country cared about her so much the party cared about her so much that they brought her from japan and they gave her hearts until it worked. And they accidentally admitted that they had this organ bank of prisoners or whatever. At least I've laughed at some pretty dark things.

But it's the sheer absurdity of how awful it is. And it just keeps happening. It's been happening. I mean, the the the in the insane stories that we have go back what to what when did this all start happening in china which specifically are you talking just like the the communist party oh the communist party was doing insane things uh even before it successfully yeah china we we have stories going back you know how many years is it now is it 80 it? It's 100 years since the party, really.

100 years of the most psychotic things you've ever heard, and it's only getting worse, it seems. With new technology being given by the West. Yeah. And we sit here today, and, you know, how long have these concentration camps been going on? At least since, what, 2017 what 2017 well if you're talking specifically about the Uyghurs probably since 2015 they really started to round people up Falun Gong before that Falun Gong in 1999 yeah and that was like black jails or just the prison systems military hospitals we were supposed to uh you know never let something like this ever

happen again. The people of the world. We've let it happen twice within the last 20 years. Right. Right. And Disney's clapping for it. Oh, yeah. And how many users does Disney Plus have?

Like 100-something million or whatever? And then the head guy is going to become the ambassador to China. Yeah. I think he'd be a great ambassador. But we're watching all of this happen. We know it's happening. And for some reason, it's just going to keep happening. Well, the media has completely failed on the story of organ harvesting.

You only really started to see any reporting on organ harvesting in the past year after a group called the China Tribunal, which was led by a guy named Sir Jeffrey Nice, who oversaw the war crime trial of Slobodan Milosevic, they spent like a year looking into it and ruled like this is definitely happening. This is not a conspiracy. This isn't something being made up. And in this tribunal, there was an interesting story where a former New York Times reporter, D.D. Kirsten Tatlow, was in China. She said she overheard officials talking about organ harvesting. Two doctors. She was doing stories about organ harvesting, but not related to the forced organ harvesting, related to the idea that China was going to start using organ donors. Which is a lie and then she said okay she was at a dinner

with these two chinese doctors and like they were talking about this like the fact that the chinese government had said they're no longer going to use prisoner organs and then one of the doctors said to the others the other we can't use prisoner organs and the other doctor said no and then the other doctor was like what about prisoners of conscience and the other doctor was like, what about prisoners of conscience? And the other doctor was like, no, can't use those anymore either. And then she overheard, she heard them say this in front of her. And then she went to her editors and was like, at the New York Times, I would like to look into this forced organ harvesting thing. Because I think, you know, there's I heard overheard this conversation. There's something weird with the numbers.

Like, I would like to look into the story. And she was discouraged from looking into the story. was told is there really anything new here also you know the people who talk about organ harvesting are on the outer fringes of advocacy yeah like a nice way of saying that these are only like crackpot conspiracy theorists people who believe in this and so she was about that discouraged from looking into this the new york times still has not covered the tribunal as far as i've seen and then um basically she also thinks that bringing this up uh was one of the reasons she didn't get a promotion later because her editors like were so upset about this it's how the game is played these media companies don't rock the boat we want to make we want to make money so it look at you know especially

right now in media one of the one of the stories we covered the other day is that cnn's president jeff sucker is probably going to quit i mean he's thinking about it you know they say it's because he's having a a bit of a fight with his boss but come on no trump no ratings they found a really really easy path that was only somewhat controversial you're not going to make any of your advertisers angry you're not going to make any any foreign countries angry you're not going to make any of your advertisers angry. You're not going to make any foreign countries angry. You're not going to risk your circulation in certain places. If you just rag on Trump 24-7, you'll make money. Easiest path to cash.

No real journalism required. And that's what we ended up with. So this is great. If they collapse, that means people will only have Tim Kass and China Uncensored. I think that's – well, I think what's going to happen, interestingly, these media companies were on the verge of death before Trump. When Trump came in, it gave them something to do. Now I think we're going to see some kind of rebalancing between mainstream narratives and independent media. So what this means, I guess, ultimately is that independent channels will have much more influence in the news cycle.

The New York Times has been doing really, really well. So what this means, I guess, ultimately, is that independent channels will have much more influence in the news cycle. The New York Times has been doing really, really well. CNN, MSNBC, and the networks are going to collapse. And that means those airport news channels won't have that power. So this could be a good thing. So maybe it's not over entirely. But I do think seeing – I think the Democrats are going to take Georgia. Trump's not on the ticket. For the Senate for the senate right without uh donald trump on the ticket trump supporters are not going to back mitch mcconnell and the republicans the republicans certainly will

trump supporters are telling mitch gtfo so if the democrats end up taking everything and we have a president who is in my opinion you know compromised by china but at the very least we'll call him sympathetic based on the people you mentioned that he surrounds himself with. I think China's going to get carte blanche. They're going to do what they want. The U.S. won't stand in their way. If anything, the U.S. is going to help him. The New York Times just put out a piece today

about how to reset the relationship with China. Yeah, and it was full of advice from people from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup and Huawei. And Huawei, yeah. You know, one of the things that sparked the Russiagate investigation was, I could be wrong about this, but it was Michael Flynn. I think he was talking to Sally Yates, and he said he didn't think Russia was our greatest adversary. He thought China was.

And that alarm bells, oh, no, someone's bad-mouthing China. We must stop them because everyone knows it's actually Russia. Yeah, Biden has talked about how he views russia as the bigger threat we have this this is the biggest hack i guess in in history and immediately they knew it was russia they're calling it a digital pearl harbor this is what the media is saying the cyber equivalent of pearl harbor just happened that's what they're saying and it was russia who did it now we've seen no evidence we've seen nothing to indicate we've actually been hacked other than they told us that's what happened and the many people who work or who held stock at solar winds the company that was hacked sold off a large portion of that stock just before the news broke

so perhaps something happened but now what we're going to be marching into a war with russia over what natural gas i don't know meanwhile the actual threat is china and it's and it's seemingly going to be ignored by this incoming administration i think the trump administration is trying to do especially the state department uh is trying to do as much as they can like that would be hard for the biden administration to reverse um one of the things about the ai thing that luke was talking about is is after the Trump administration started banning Chinese tech companies from getting U.S. technology like semiconductor technology, the chip technology, it actually crippled Huawei and ZTE and a lot of these companies. SMIC is one of the ones that they're putting on the Commerce Department blacklist today. And that's China's biggest chip manufacturer. that they're putting on the Commerce Department blacklist today.

And that's China's biggest chip manufacturer. But they don't have the technology. Like they cannot make the chips as advanced as the U.S. chips are. So it actually has slowed them down a lot in terms of being able to develop these like supercomputers and things like that. But on the other hand, we had U.S. companies who were before this completely like bringing their technology to these Chinese companies, like a few U.S. companies got in trouble for providing technology to that was powering this huge Chinese supercomputer center that was basically running 24-7 surveillance in xinjiang well part of the problem is because uh they think they're doing business with civilian you know private companies in china but china has a specific civil military fusion they call it where basically every company private or whatever is has to help the chinese communist party so there is no separation between the party and uh private, private companies.

I think the distinctions between authoritarianism is mostly pointless. When we say communist or fascist or Nazi or whatever, the real problem is always authoritarian because they function in much the same way. We get into arguments over, but was their economic system based upon, you know, no, no, no, no. That's pointless. The party tells the industries what to do. The party tells the people what to do. It's authoritarianism. Exactly. And I think the real end risk is not is not necessarily that the Chinese Communist Party is going to completely take over the world or the United States.

As Luke's saying, the Communist Party is actually horribly corrupt. It's built on a very shaky foundation. Biggest risk is if we don't stand up now and get more in bed with the Chinese Communist Party. When it collapses, we'll be so tied to that that it will just have a ripple effect. We saw what happened with the coronavirus, how there was just things we couldn't get. Critical things. Yeah. And like Italy, one of the first countries to get it really badly outside China, has a lot of ties to China. Economic ties and also factories with made in Italy labels that are specifically done

through. She went there. I went to some of those factories in a city called Prado, which is largely Chinese now. And there are sweatshops in the back alleys. Exactly. So the Chinese are literally importing slave factories to Italy so they can have made in Italy products stamped legally. I mean,

and this is one of the reasons why they said that the Corona virus spread so vastly and so fast in Italy. It was because of this program of slave workers going back and forth. And Italy was the first Western country to get involved in the Belt and Road initiative. And so they were, the government was very reluctant to criticize. We didn't even talk about Belt and Road,

which is a huge way that they're trying.'re kind of taking over too yeah and this is also another example of what uh didong shang was saying even this belt and road initiative which is roughly an infrastructure investment around the world it still operates in u.s dollars so that's a lot of power the United States still has. But if everything is either UN or whatever digital currency the Chinese Communist Party is trying to run out with. Then we're going to lose that power. Yeah. And then the U.S. dollar is going to start losing a lot of value. And then we start seeing a ripple effect where other countries start walking away from it. Then we get hyperinflation as the U.S. struggles to pay off its debts by printing money in quantitative easing type programs and then we start shuffling dollar bills into the

gutter figuratively like we saw in weimar germany and then the people who bought uh cryptocurrency and other hard goods will be safe to a certain degree are you saying buy bitcoin not necessarily i think people are obsessed with it uh because you know uh it's it's useful it's valuable and it's scarce and can only become more scarce but i i always tell people if you think that we're coming to a point of hyperinflation where you're not gonna be able to buy anything what makes you think anyone's gonna want your bitcoin if i'm starving and and dehydrated i'm gonna be like get away from me and i'm gonna run towards the guy who's got a bottle of water so i always tell people invest in things here's what i was telling Ian earlier today.

Think about the most common thing you use throughout the day and most people use that is the hardest to produce. Whatever that might be, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps antiseptics. That's kind of what we were thinking of. Smooth jazz. Smooth jazz, that's right. You know, when the apocalypse happens,

there's going to be a hot demand for that smooth jazz. Clean drinking water. Perhaps. But, you know, I think what is hard to produce, extremely important and used on a day-to-day basis, antiseptics. That's the first thing I thought of. I don't know if anybody at the top of their head could tell you how to make alcohol. Yeah, anything chemical. Like actual, like pure ethanol to clean wounds,

clean your hands. And you could stub your toe out in the woods and lose your foot, lose your leg, or die from shock. Well, this goes back to what we were talking about earlier where people need to start investing in their communities. Yeah. The more self-sufficient a community is, that will be, that's huge.

Yep. Then we won't be as dependent on a hostile foreign regime. Yeah. That will use the power specifically to like today, the news came out that Turkey is taking 20 million doses of vaccines from China. And they also in the same like the Chinese state were meeting in the same announcement said that Turkey also said that they, you know of china's counter-revolution like counter-terrorism efforts that shouldn't be politicized and turkey will not allow anybody within its borders to talk like you know upset chinese sovereignty and what that means is they're going after the uyghurs because turkey has the largest population of uyghur exiles uyghurs are a turkic so so uh i i heard a lot that we get our medication our medications are

made in china is Is that true? Like the Chinese will manufacture, say, amoxicillin tablets. Do we still use amoxicillin? Yeah. Tetracycline. Do they make the tetracycline? For a lot of the cheaper ones, yes. For expensive pharmaceuticals or like more complicated pharmaceuticals, we actually mostly manufacture them in the U.S.

But a lot of the cheaper, like generic, like what you're talking about, antibiotics, they come from China. Or a lot of the cheaper like generic like what you're talking about antibiotics they come from china or a lot of times the raw ingredients from the for those come from china if uh so uh i think we still use tetracycline right this is a common antibiotic i think so for something let's let's let's talk about a generic medication it's very common when it's manufactured in china and brought here does it go through a rigorous molecular analysis to make sure what's in that is actually what they claim it is well if there was a situation where they were actually exporting like trash that was actually killing americans they that would be a huge issue but you look at the strategy of china it's not to come in marching with weapons and shooting people down it's to

subvert so if they could put something that let's say there's an ingredient they could add in a very mic a small dose let's say we're producing ingredient they could add in a very small dose. Let's say we're producing these genetics that are used maybe by 100,000 people per day across the United – or 100,000 people per week across the United States. We had an ingredient at a ratio of 0.5 percent, which will create a mortality in the U.S. of 0.1 percent per – you see what I'm saying? It's an attrition game. They've talked about unrestricted warfare, which is basically war by other means you don't use troops uh everything is kind of on the table this was this is what they were talking about drug warfare is on the drug warfare right right so so a lot of the drugs in the u.s are made in china and shipped here like

hard illicit drugs that that kill people where is over the fentanyl the opioid thing that's a huge thing and you know they have total government surveillance, but they somehow don't know when factories are sending fentanyl to the U.S. Or technically to Mexico, which then brings it to the U.S. There's connections to the Mexican cartels. I wonder if, you know, if it's something that I can think of off the top of my head. Certainly the Chinese Communist Party has had meetings where they're like, can we add something at a very small dose that would go unnoticed, these medications that would create a mortality rate, negligible or unnoticeable but not negligible to us? in that being discovered and the backlash being so because like you look at what they've done with the they tried this whole mask diplomacy thing a few months ago where they were like oh

we are going to send masks like you know k95s for the coronavirus to all these different countries around the world and tech and tests and they were you know and there was a huge backlash so that was bad for them to have the quality thing. So if it's like, oh my gosh, drugs from China are faulty, then that would be worse for them. But what if nobody noticed? Well, I think the point Shelley is making is that that's still a risk of being exposed versus all the other ways that they are very successful at subverting the United States. Like just buy off Wall Street. Or buy off the incoming president. Like just, just buy off wall street or buy off the incoming president,

you know, you know, they start or go after his crackhead son. Yeah. I mean, that's like, they'll do, they definitely target family members of politicians.

They definitely target, they they'll target like small time mayors or, you know, state senators. Yeah. We just heard that recently. Yeah. No one,

like they, they'll try anything. Even, even, even the most insignificant politician you could think of could be sleeping with a chinese spy like somebody who has no merit or value to the political system maybe a congressman from california and don't be looking one with blown hair yeah who farted on camera once yeah you get hey even a great man like rudy giuliani on camera. Oh, that's true. Yeah, it's true. And my, oh man, do you see when he blew his nose and then wiped his face with a will? Or Giuliani.

Or Giuliani. I didn't see that. Yeah, the congressman we're talking about was Swalwell, who was banging the Chinese spy. And yeah. Allegedly. Well, actually, I don't even know if that's allegedly. Anymore.

Well, that wasn't in the Axios article. I think that was like a later later accusation he's not denying it which is important to understand here but one thing that you brought up that i think is really worth considering is china's relationship with other countries you specifically brought up turkey but i really wanted to talk about russia because there's many official and unofficial alliances that they have with russia which again, now Biden is kind of pointing as the main geopolitical foe to the United States. But we also have to understand geopolitically on the world stage, Russia and China have always been together, especially when it comes to significant moves

against the US dollar, and especially when it comes to countering American foreign policy, like with Iran, Syria, Iraq, they get involved and they work together against U.S. interests together. So how do you see this kind of working out if the United States pushes towards a bigger conflict with Russia? How do you see China being involved in that? Well, I think a year or two ago, Xi Jinping actually gave Putin a friendship medal. You can look it up. It's very nice. Was it like a heart and it was like half the heart? It was like this big gold, like all these medals all the way down.

It was insane. They do these weird things where like Xi will go to Russia and have like caviar, or Putin will come to China and they'll like have Putin make a dumpling. And they, last time Xi Jinping went to Russia, they had like Xi Jinping's favorite ice cream. Remember this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that like last time he had come to Russia, he'd like said this ice cream is great. So they had like buckets of this ice cream.

Which is why Trump gave Xi Jinping the best chocolate cake ever. Remember that when he went to Mar-a-Lago? It was the best cake. Oh, okay. But I think in terms of China and Russia, they will always stand together against the U.S. Even if they do kind of hate each other they do kind of hate each other the you know that that's the whole nixon thing where he was like well they've split so um but like they will always stand like in the un any international body they will unite to stand against the u.s but they're also doing uh sharing of technology and sharing sharing of their military with specific drills that they conduct together as they're working in cohesion many times as well, which I think is something significant that we should really also look out for as well.

I mean, but the Chinese military is also working with the Canadian military. Yes, they are. Yes. Wow. The prime minister who said that he worshipped and admired the Chinese government for their efficiency to be able to turn the economy on the dime is now officially training Chinese soldiers in Canada right now. Well, that actually began in 2013 under the Conservative Party. Wow. What was the guy named? Harper.

Harper, yeah. It doesn't matter. These political parties, I don't know much about Canada, but I tell you the republicans and the democrats oh yeah this was a sailing of republicans and democrats bush messed it up clinton really messed it up bush it's part two messed it up obama messed it up and so i don't kind of went nuts well i don't i don't know if trump did good or or did, if I'm being proper. But hold on. You see, China was like, we can't tell what this guy's doing.

He's crazy. And meanwhile, Trump was like going like, ah, ah, like moving in random directions. And he's like, they can't tell what I'm doing. They can't have a cohesive strategy against me. Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't know if Trump did well or if it's just in comparison to everything that came before. It's like, wow, amazing. Yeah, like when you're like, oh, my God, the U.S. State Department

is actually talking about human rights abuses in China. Should that be shocking? Like, should that really be like, wow, I can't believe they're actually doing something about it. I mean, we stormed beaches,

you know, before. The president of the United States can meet with Kim Jong-un, the insane dictator of North Korea, but he can't meet with the president of Taiwan. Yeah. That's geopolitics right now.

Well, how about we go to Super Chats, see what the viewers have to say. If you haven't already, smash that like button. I see many people have noticed we have this cool, fancy new graphic that says, smash the like button and share this video. Shelley and I have learned that we need to also encourage people to smash buttons. Well, I think people genuinely aren't aware. It's like a metric YouTube uses for recommendations it is important yeah and sharing also it really is a huge help that's why i think i think they've sort of tried what youtube has tried backing away from

the like button because there used to be these videos where like people would be like let's get 50 billion likes but they still do it does like the more likes it gets the more they'll share it in the immediate so which is important because of all the things that YouTube has openly said they're gonna do they kind of hurt Channels like your channel like our channel So we got a great super chat here from Rudy C Winslow. He says a cab. Yeah, you guys familiar with a cab Well, all communists are bad Oh. I didn't know. I didn't know that was what it meant. I see it everywhere. What was the thing about communist, was it communist bandits that YouTube censored? Oh, that YouTube was briefly censoring. Yeah.

Gongfei in Chinese. But I didn't really know that term, communist bandit, right? Yeah, but that's a really old, weird term. But it's great. I find it, I keep meaning to use it more. So Eric Cecil says, my response to Andrew Yang's vaccination verification plan is that maybe we should start with requiring a driver's license when voting. Eddie Johnson says, I'm so excited that you have China uncensored, but where's Matt?

Oh, Matt. Matt is hard at work. We've left him back writing scripts while we have fun here with you, Tim. Being forced to watch Horrible Things. Oh, interesting. Here's a good recommendation. Man of Culture says, hey, Tim, next time get America Uncovered on the show. That would be great.

Hey, America Uncovered. I've heard about that show and its handsome host. Yes. Yes. I, you know, completely unsolicited, but I recommend you subscribe. The host, who is absolutely not you, of course. No, because I host China Uncensored. That's right.

Yes, yes. Chuck U. Farley says, Tim and Luke should do a tour with special guests like Jimmy Dore, Jason Bermas, Esai Morales, etc. Yeah, that'd be cool. Jimmy Dore is amazing. Jimmy Dore, he had a great rant about the transfer of wealth that's going on with COVID and stuff. And he's a lefty guy, so he's very much for Medicare for All. But he's basically, he's pointing out the very important things that I think,'t matter if you're left or right they're extracting wealth sending it up to the elites etc and i worked with jason bermis before he's a great guy but what would we do we're gonna go on

tour and just argue with each other maybe you get a big class a camper we do this we do our our standard youtube programming from the camper as we drive across the country and then do late night as we cancel each other out by screaming and being too loud yes and then saturday saturday or sunday night we do a special like we're here in cleveland we're doing a live show and we'll get a bit well you can't do that anymore because covid lockdown so wouldn't work we'll pull the the camper up into a random park and tell everybody to come and we'll put the speakers on blast ty chapman says tim ask about the chinese india conflict india is dominating last i heard oh dominating that's that's kind of a stretch uh that's that's a big topic um so essentially what china is doing in india is the same as what it's done in the south china sea like salami slicing bit by bit they'll like go a little

bit further on a disputed border, build a base. And then like if you start to fight back. Try to slowly take the territory. Yeah. Yeah. But India has been great about now recently like banning a lot of Chinese apps. You've seen India joining. The Quad is the great new alliance that has been coming out, which is an alliance between

India, the U.S., Japan, and Australia. And this basically began, it was Japan's idea like in 2007, 2008, and it basically died because no one wanted to stand up for China. In the past couple of years, it's suddenly come back. So, yeah, India is definitely on the front line with the fight for the Chinese Communist Party. And they managed recently to take back some territory. That's true. But China has a thing called the String of Pearls,

which is basically them making not naval bases all around the Indian Ocean, just potential deep water ports. Yeah, ports. You know, like in Pakistan. Right, right. India's good neighbor, Pakistan. Or Sri Lanka. Yeah. Daniel Maxwell says, You know, like in Pakistan. Right, right. India's good neighbor, Pakistan. Or Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka.

Daniel Maxwell says, in the third world countries, China is doing exactly what the U.S. was doing during the Cold War with the Soviet Union. The major difference is they are also trying to buy influence in the United States, and they are succeeding at it. Zachary Pasquale says, Chris, what do you think is the biggest, most long-term repercussion for our country under a Biden administration in terms of our unofficial Cold War with China? Well, a lot of people are encouraging Biden to do a reset, a China reset. If that happens, that's that's bad for, as Tim said, liberal democracy around the world. I don't know if you want to add anything to that shall i well basically yeah like not standing up to china um kind of letting them walk all over the u.s yeah like they if they if we don't do something about it not just economically but geopolitically like if we kind of go back to like engagement and we'll we don't want to we don't want to make them mad that is like the number one thing you can't

engage with the country with concentration camps and forced organ harvesting and where having a brother or sister was illegal. Yes, correct. Mitchell says, Chris and Shelley are great guests. Their show led me to your show. Everyone keep up the good work. Appreciate it. Cliff Lee says, Chris, Shelley, I'm glad you finally made it on the show.

Thanks for all your hard work in Hong Kong last year. Thank you. It's great to be on the show. I had friends, a good friend, Vince, push me to it on the show thanks for all your hard work in hong kong last year thank you it's it's great to be on the show i had friends a good friend uh vince pushed me to get on your show so all right cool i mean we've been getting messages all the time recommending you guys saying you because we always talk about china it comes up you know and uh i guess you guys are the experts i'm happy you guys are here i'm happy you're here dac941 says look forward to the show every night thanks Thanks for all you do. Two questions.

What happened to the SIG? Can someone come by to skate if properly vetted? No need to be on the show. Just want to skate. The answer to number two is yes, you can. We have two skate parks. We are going to be doing a vlog, and we are going to be, I guess, legitimately a private location, but we're going to allow certain, you know, people to come hang out periodically. It just depends. Once we get

the proprietary website up, it's going to be over at Timcast.com. We're getting pretty close to launching it. Probably going to be like a membership thing. So there's going to be like a platinum tier members and we'll only have maybe like 10 of those available. And those are people who can like come and freely, you know, hang out at the park or whatever. And it'll be like a vetted thing for sure. As for the SIG. Oh, man, I don't think anybody asked about that. I never got it. With with all due respect and appreciation to the Crowder team for trying to get me this SIG M400, which would have been awesome, it got sent to a location too far for me to actually go get it. And I was in New Jersey, and considering the laws of New Jersey, it would have been, I would just call it impossible. It would have required me to have canceled a portion of my day to drive an hour and a

half there and an hour and a half back. And then I would have to wait five days, then drive an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back. And then I would have to wait five days, then drive an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back. And that was just completely impractical. So I never ended up getting it, unfortunately. And that's it. No sig. But they tried.

I have no idea what happened to it. I wonder if it just got sent back or something. But hey, it is what it is. Sometimes you can't cry over a free gun you didn't get. All right, let's see. Kylo says, is the CCP attacking Canada and the U.S. simultaneously? Is this what soft war looks like? Oh, yeah.

Canada is getting hit hard. Australia is getting hit hard. I would say it's worse in Canada and Australia than it is in the U.S. That's true. Because they're actually kind of afraid of the U.S. That's why U.S. is enemy number one. So Australia and Canada, they saw as like softer targets that are weaker. Which is why they've kidnapped Canadian citizens.

Yeah, basically. Really? Yeah. The two Michaels, Michael Cover, Michael Spavor. They've been in China for two years. Yeah, basically after Canada arrested the CFO of Huawei because of violations on U.S. sanctions on iran china in turn kidnapped two canadians they were in china they were in china but they've essentially been held without any real charges i think they've been charged now with spying yeah wow but uh they've been held for two years now

and basically made it very clear to the canadian government that if they release the cfo of huawei then these two michaels get released trudeau recently said he's hopeful the situation will be resolved. Hayden says it passed by a while back with little attention because of the news cycle speed. But cocaine Mitch's wife, Elaine, is from a family that runs a shipping company where the ships are built in China with funding from the CCP and ship goods to China. Elaine, secretary of transportation under Trump. Yep. I was talking about that and sharing the article right before the show began and even a couple days ago when Mitch McConnell came up specifically blocking Trump

and, of course, the election, telling the senators not to challenge it. We were in D.C. a couple years ago at a think tank event and somebody brought up Elaine Chao and everybody kind of laughed because everybody knew that her family had these close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, but also knew that Washington wasn't going to do anything about it. Wow. Rita Ho says TSMC is a Taiwanese company and recorded number 153.9% in global semiconductor foundry market, while Samsung occupied only 17.4 percent how would this affect the 3c products worldwide when weak biden let china take over taiwan everything's gonna become

more expensive that's taiwan right now actually yeah taiwan right now is really trying to uh market itself as a place where like high quality high tech can be made um especially as they're hoping as people realize that you can't trust stuff from china but yeah i mean tsmc had a problem last year where they there were chinese spies found in the company who were stealing the intellectual property and bringing it to china yeah but um the thing is that taiwan and you the u.s are both better at semiconductor chips than China. So if we can stop China from getting the technology, it'll slow them down a lot. Yeah. Chris Knoll says, on the subject of peaceful divorce, how would this affect global politics and more specifically dealing with China? I think a split would only help China's ability to assert its will on the

world. What do you guys think? Yes, obviously. If the U.S. broke into two different countries, like what are they called? The United States of Canada and Jesus Land. Yes. There would be no United States on the political stage at all. Treaties probably wouldn't exist anymore. And there'd have to be all new negotiations with everyone. And who would even control military bases?

I don't even know. Yeah. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts or anything. Well, just one thought. You know, obviously the EU and the Brexit was – that's a big topic. But I think to an extent that was advantageous to the Chinese Communist Party that the weaker the EU gets, the less that is a power that can stand up to the Chinese Communist Party. And they are infiltrating the EU in other ways, particularly through Greece, Eastern nations. But yeah.

Desperate ones. Yeah. Carl Schneider says, Tim, I live in Cali and we got and we all got an emergency alert on our phones today telling us emergency alert severe. All Bay Area counties now under stay at home order. COVID-19 is spreading rapidly. Well, there you go. The good news is the good news is everybody calm down.

Calm down. We have a vaccine. Okay. Now the vaccine doesn't actually prevent you from getting the virus. We're not sure. This was, I think, I believe it was Dr. Vin Gupta said this on MSNBC. You still can spread it to others. We, we think, and you can't travel. You still got to wear a mask and know we're not going to be releasing the lockdown. And if there are any adverse effects, there's no... There's no liability to the big pharma companies or government compensation. Yeah, so it's all on you. And so I just see that.

I'm kind of like, they've bungled this quite a bit. Can I still cower at home in fear? You can. Yes, yes. If your mask is on. Yes. And if you're going to have anything to eat or drink,

make sure you put the mask back on in between sips and bites. And in the shower. And maybe having a nurse that is prone to, quote, fainting as the official story is now, maybe not have her the representative to get the first jab? That is kind of weird. That is weird.

I was wondering about this because there's a bunch of stories popping up about you know that that drive fear and some of them are kind of isolated incidents like we had an anaphylactic uh response to a medical worker in alaska one person and i'm kind of like is that something that needs to be reported or is the media trying to just kind of like scare us all the time it doesn't sound well that's what it doesn't sound like the media but i have to wonder i'm like scare us all the time it doesn't sound well that's what it doesn't sound like the media but i have to wonder i'm like don't they want the vaccine and then i realized no they were the ones claiming trump could never pull it off they want ratings right yeah so now it's they

they chose the woman who has a fainting disorder and they give her the vaccine and then she faints and the video goes viral or they give an empty syringe to a guy. That was hard to watch. Well, I think the simple solution we talked about is he just accidentally reused the other needle. That's even worse. That's why he's saying that. Whatever it is, whether if it's a competence or a conspiracy, it doesn't really build trust. Akapat says, with China, it's all Sun Tzu, the art of war.

Know your enemy. The CCP knows this well and their tentacles are in everything in our country. I kind of want to push back on that a little bit. I don't think people always compare it to Sun Tzu, the art of war. The Chinese Communist Party was a hard split from the 5,000 years of Chinese culture. What the tactics of the Chinese Communist Party are communist tactics that you've seen used around the world, the way they flip and invert things. So I wouldn't say this is a result of Sun Tzu. This is specifically communist tactics that they learned from the Soviet Union and improved

upon. It's one of those things where we don't really want to think of china as like a marxist leninist maoist country but it is uh and because like also people care like want to learn about sun tzu and chinese culture that's so much more fun to study than like leninism right yeah jose parera says portugal has a 500 year relationship with china china has invested a lot of money in Portugal. The golden visa scheme and even talked about China China interest in the La Hesse Air Base in

the Azores. Interesting trip to Portugal shall I? Yeah, apparently Balian says Alaska has a crapload of rare earth minerals some that aren't anywhere else yet all the hippie to be tree lovers up there don't want us to mind them in my backyard yeah yep in the meantime we have these uh you know environmentalists climate change people who don't seem to care at all about china

well no we need to work with china on climate change that's right that's one of the you know that's the kind of line from the engagement people. Oh, yeah. That, like, we need to work with them. Yeah. Get that Paris Climate Agreement. Yeah. Lucas Oberhauser says, really glad you had Chris and Shelley on tonight. I've been a big fan of China Uncensored for a long time now and has been a great way to keep up to date with what's been happening. The U.S. news never covers.

It is really interesting, though. It's good and bad at the same time. It would be better if we had a media that told you things that actually were important across the board but if people uh are going to specific sources like you watch my content and we talk about very specific things in politics typically rag on the democrats and you need a healthy diet you got to mix it up with something else we don't really have you turn the news and they'll give you you know five minutes of each major segment anymore maybe that's not even the best thing. But then maybe people only hear the news about one thing. And maybe it's better to be more well-versed on single issues than to be only knowing a little bit about a bunch of things, perhaps.

Good argument. Well, I could go either way, I guess. Sombrero Cat LLC says, Tim, you need to have Joshua Phillip, too. He made a great documentary about the CCP connections with the election. Great show, as always. We will look into it. Isaac Castillo says, everyone exclaim Shelley to show appreciation.

Shelley! Texas Ranger says, Falun Gong is a cult, according to my Chinese-American friend. The People's Republic of China is an evil, godless empire bent on world domination. Okay. I guess he doesn't like either of them, huh? The cult thing was actually something that they managed to use in Chinese when they first started going after Falun Gong.

They didn't call it a cult. They called it a heterodox organization, which is anything that the government doesn't approve. But cult in English sounds so much better and snappier and makes people hate it. Like how Uyghurs went from splitists to terrorists. Yes, basically. Jacob Meyer says, Love you, Chris, and I watch China Uncensored every day. Thank you for doing what you do.

I don't know how people like me would ever know what's going on if you weren't there doing the best damn reporting I've ever seen. Oh, hey, Tim. Yep, I'm just here. Just the host. Rain says says i'm so glad you have these guys on i've watched china uncensored on and off for years and hearing them in conversation it helps a lot helps out a lot of context there you go very cool drizzed says obama threw our oath to help ukraine when russia invaded them so i'm sadly not surprised about Southeast Asia. That's a good point, too.

Yeah. Brewmaster Monk says, a hot war would be a useful way for China to deal with its gender imbalance, especially if they think their liberalization is inevitable anyways. The one way they actually

are dealing with the gender imbalance is the Belt and Road Initiative because they can export all of these young men who are not, like, can't find jobs or you know wives and like you know send them to africa or south america and they can go build the roads there wow yeah ted

says chris i've been following your show for years and i've been asking tim in the chats for weeks to have you on and i'm so glad it happened chris shelly tim lids i love you guys and i've been sharing your content a lot really appreciate appreciate it. What about me? Well, Luke is a great guy. I needed that. Thank you. Not good at username says, Duterte is making a big mistake ending Philippines relations with the U.S.

and getting closer with China. Talk about independency. Yeah, I think Duterte definitely, when he was campaigning, he was like, I'm going to stand up to China. And then when he got into power, he was immediately like, the Philippines could be another Chinese province. We haven't even talked about all the horrible things that are happening in South Korea right now. Oh, yeah. Waffles Sensei says, Hey, Tim, don't you think it's really weird? The narrative was set so fast to blame Russia for the cyber attacks?

Could be true. But I think in the long run, we will need Russia as an ally and an enemy for the days ahead. I believe Trump understood this, too. That's what I thought. Perhaps. I do think them immediately coming out being like, it's cyber Pearl Harbor and Russia did it. I'm like, OK, well, we need to have like hearings or something or some legitimate news coverage, not from someone I don't trust. China has hacked the U.S. a lot in the past. And we've not done anything about that, huh?

They're probably hacking us right now as we speak, in many ways. Oh, we didn't even talk about it. No. Zoom. It's not Zoom. Oh, Zoom. Yeah, that was a big story.

That the Department of Justice just unsealed an arrest warrant for a Chinese Zoom executive for literally taking user data from the U.S. and giving it to the Chinese government. Wow. And so that's when everybody was like, Zoom is like, it's kind of sketchy because it has, you know, all the stuff in China and the servers in China. Should we be worried about it? The answer was obvious. Yes. Cameron Ham says China's spy list leaked and

two days later our entire government was hacked and they blame Russia. It's clear it was China. Well, the hack happened nine months ago and I believe that was under Chris Krebs who was recently fired by Trump. Oh, but he told me it was very secure. He said we had this most secure election ever and he didn't even realize the biggest

hack had happened right under his nose. Yeah, well, there you go. Jessica says, really enjoy Luke on the live show and very excited for the future content you have planned. Keep doing what you're doing, Tim. I've learned so much to discover your channels. Thank you. Well, thank you for watching. And your super chat helps sustain us.

There you go, Luke. Yeah. Bill says, yes, an international investigation found based on Spanish sewer samples that COVID-19 was present at least six months before the fake outbreak. God forbid we use science facts and reason. Well, I don't know about all that, but thanks for the super chat. Well, there was some data and suggestions that this sickness was around far earlier than originally thought. So the origin, we still don't know where it came from. We still don't have a patient zero.

But magically, in six months we have a rushed experimental vaccine that's going to fix everything so that's great but what we do know is it definitely did not come from china definitely of course let's see uh crazy man jack says the sickest thing i have ever seen was a video of a man boiling a dog alive prodding with a stick to keep it in the walk supposedly they believe the more pain they cause the animal, the better it tastes. Please ask your guests why this is a thing. Is that a thing? It's, well, there's

overall, the Chinese people do not eat dogs. That has not really been a thing. Except for like in extreme famine times. In Vietnam, they do, don't they? Well, it does happen in China. But there is this thing called like the what was it? Yunnan Dog Meat Eating Festival. I can't remember the place.

I forget where it is. But then, yeah, the specific festival is dedicated to eating dogs. And they do believe that the more pain, the better taste. It was kind of like a weird PR stunt by this town where they were like, we don't have anything we're known for. I know. We'll have a dog eating festival. Because it's not traditional in china to eat dogs at all yeah i always i always thought people were worried that the fear and pain would make the meat taste bad like it would cause chemical imbalances and like no not not

according to these chefs wow thanks there you go ted too says chris jelly i'm a huge huge long-time fan of your shows of all your shows i commented repeatedly asking tim to get you said oh this is this is the same comment is it weird or is youtube just doubling it up many people have the same opinion about us that's right sebastian service says any opinion on the rip on ripple xrp or cryptocurrency in general and iso 20022 do you think this fits into the agenda of adapting digital currency global capital and maybe even the great reset and the fourth industrial revolution i think bitcoin is going to be worth an insane amount of money in a certain amount of time i don't know the exact time frame there are some people predicting that when within the next year or two one bitcoin will be three hundred thousand dollars yeah uh some people are

saying by the end of this year so in the next couple of weeks we'll see it at 28 000 which is is easily doable i mean it's already at 22 or 23 it's been gone on a little bit uh i do think a bitcoin will be upwards of a million dollars at some point just really yeah but but you have to think about it it's not a bold prediction the bitcoins can only disappear so i've i actually had a computer with some coins on it a long time ago got destroyed those coins are gone you can't bring them back so so long as there's a finite amount of the coins but the utility remains and people are holding it the more people who want to buy it that exist but the shrinking supply means the price can only go up in the long run unless of course people ultimately just abandon it because they don't want

it i really don't think that would be the case because there's a real utility in it in transferring wealth and value very quickly. So I ultimately think a Bitcoin will be worth more than a million. I mean if Bitcoin remains the dominant most coin that people have confidence in, cryptocurrency, then at a certain point the currency will become more and more scarce but more and more valuable. More people want it. Less of it exists. The trajectory is just straight up. If you want to use it for some utility purpose, like if I want to transfer $100 to Luke,

I don't care about the value of the currency. I'll buy $100 worth of Bitcoin, send it to Luke, and he'll sell it all within a split second. So it's almost like a value protocol. You've been using that with people you've been working with in like europe right crypto uh well like paying people like that no no no no i just people the people i've paid have always been just the regular old way oh it's like you know paypal or something who am i thinking of i don't know but if someone wants to buy that the people who are holding it are essentially holding that service you know so if

you're like hey i need to buy some coins sent to buddy, it's like then the person who has it can charge whatever they want. But you don't care. You're like, I want $100 worth. Okay, well, I'll give you one. You can sell it for one. Okay. So whatever the value is, I think ultimately just keep going up. But maybe not.

I don't know. I think it ultimately will because it's everything global elites and special interests want. Completely traceable. We were talking about this earlier andrew yang posted is there a way we can check to see if everybody's been vaccinated right i'll tell you what the what i'm surprised they haven't already done is a cryptocurrency for tracking vaccinations and contact tracing because think about it you'll have a public ledger they can see if you've been vaccinated why are you giving them ideas i'm not i don't know because i'm sure they had the idea already oh maybe not whatever it's a good idea uh i mean i mean i think it's a it's a night it's a

nightmarish scenario it's a mass surveillance but if you think about how contact tracing works you go to a restaurant they're saying they're going to scan your barcode or whatever imagine it was all just on the blockchain. Everything just, you know. I actually think that'd probably be bad for them. That's probably why they didn't do it. They want the proprietary information, tracking all your information, knowing everything about you, and not letting anyone see it. So they don't want it publicly on the blockchain. All right.

Let's see what we got here. Bandrew Scott says, Chris and Shelly, short of sharing China Uncensored with everyone we know, what can we do to help fight the human rights abuses in China? We get that question a lot. I mean, definitely sharing. The episode is good. I'm not saying that just for self-interest, but like the more people who are aware is it's really important. But, you know, like study Chinese in school, get involved in think tanks, get involved in politics. We need people who know what's going on in positions of power. I mean, that's a long term thing.

But, yeah, it's pretty important because you have like 30 years of this engagement school coming through now, right, where people are still they're going to like Georgetown or you're going to like these places where all they teach is that they don't teach about China's, you know, warfare or their unrestricted warfare oh no they teach it that america is bad and racist yeah so you have these people who are not like and then they get into positions of power so it's pretty important that you know people understand what's happening even in the military it's an issue so join the military i think that you know limiting things that you buy from China is a help. Sometimes it is almost impossible. It's true. But, yeah, I try to do that whenever possible. Yeah.

Douglas says, Paul Revere award for China Uncensored. Oh, there you go. I like awards. Lone Wolf says, great show, Tim and gang. I used to play PUBG on PC but had to stop playing because Chinese players would fill NA servers and use cheats and hacks. 90% of banned players were Chinese. Cheating and abusing the system is the CCP way. World of Warcraft had a thing for a while where there were Chinese gold farms.

I've heard about that. You guys know anything about World of Warcraft? So you're playing World of Warcraft. This is back in the day, way back in the day. Because things are different now. You can just buy gold for your character through a system they've created back in the day you know as my house playing world of warcraft like oh six you would you go around it's called grinding you're killing monsters and then you get their stuff and you sell it to the vendors and you get copper and silver and gold but some players

were rich and they didn't want to have to actually play the game to play the game. They wanted the good stuff now and they needed money to get it. So in China, people would play the game and just go around just grinding and killing monsters. And it was extremely tedious work. And then you could go on these websites, pay money, and then they would mail you in-game the currency. Wow. Yeah. Video game slave labor. Yep.

And it was against the rules. And a lot of people got scammed and their characters and accounts got stolen and there were reports where people were like i was buying gold and now my account is gone and they destroyed everything say yep everything you've ever you've played for your game it's gone kind of exactly what's happening with american companies going into chat that's the name of the game oh wow don paulson says hi ch. Is there any kind of push to create some form of civilian defense force in Taiwan

in the event of a Chinese invasion? I love your show. Oh, the Taiwan already has a pretty robust military, especially as the U.S. over the past couple years

has been selling more and more weapons to Taiwan. So it would not be an easy invasion. Taiwan also has mandatory military service for all men yeah they got uh what's his name jin not jin yang huh the guy we interviewed the joe rogan of taiwan who said he would personally fight them oh uh holger chen that's it yeah tito latino says and it's something we got a fact check but i'm gonna read it anyway

august 9th 2020 wall street journal u.s nsa mentions china trying to hack u.s secretary of state voter rolls statement also said that china prefers that president trump a republican not win re-election i believe that latter part is true for sure interesting unlicks go says tin cap what if someone bought btc when it was ten thousand for one dollar and spent one thousand dollars do the math but it's like gold try to buy milk with it kind of tough but it's just a story well i almost bought about six thousand five hundred bitcoin 2011 my friend was like don't do it man it's it's like what is this was back in the day they had this thing called the bitcoin faucet where it would give it, I think, 0.05 Bitcoin for free every like 10 minutes.

And you could just like put in your address or whatever and then you just get it. And so I was like, huh, now I have like, you know, three cents worth of Bitcoin I can't do anything with. And I was like, this is dumb. But I ended up with a few coins on a computer. Computer got destroyed in a fire. Those coins are gone forever. But my buddy, we were looking at this website and it was like you could buy. I ended up with a few coins on a computer. Computer got destroyed in a fire. Those coins are gone forever. But my buddy, we were looking at this website, and it was like you could buy.

It was really hard to buy Bitcoin back then. You had to like directly message someone and then like physically give them money, and then they would send the coins to your address. And it happened almost instantly because the blockchain was a lot smaller. My friend was like, dude, it's worthless. You can't do anything with it. It's probably some dude who just made some scam online. Hey, give me your money and I'll give you this number. And then next thing you know, it goes belly up and you lost your savings.

And I was like, that's a good point, man. You know, the technology is interesting, but why would anyone use this? And it's hard to give up your savings at the time. And then I remember it was like a year later, it was like $35. And I was like, how much money would I would have had if I just bought it oh you told me i had to do it and we were like i was pulled the calculator and then it just gets better every year how much i think it would be 145 million dollars however people point out dude you would have sold a long time ago you would have put in your your five grand or whatever and then it you know once it hit 20 bucks you would have put in your five grand or whatever, and then once it hit 20 bucks, you would have danced all the way to the bank, sold it all out for a massive return.

And I'm like, yeah, definitely, definitely, because it's just a smart thing to do, like any investment. Granted, if you were alive today, if you're alive today and you could go back in time, you'd be like, never sell. So think about that you know never selling i remember a couple years ago i think like 2016 it hit like seven grand and everyone was like this is ridiculous it's too high and then it fell down like three grand imagine if you bought back then you'd be very happy anyway and it goes to a million chris and shelly thanks so much for hanging out do you want to shout out your social medias and your channels

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We are change. Thank you guys. And don't forget to follow at Sour Patch Lids, who pushes all the buttons. Right on, everybody. Again, thanks so much for hanging out. This was a great conversation and probably have you back on at some point. I'm sure the conversation around China will get spicier as time goes on so that was great yeah lots of fun and i i can't believe i'm sitting in the chair that alex jones said you are

sitting is that why you picked that side you're like i want to sit in jones well i can feel the residual male vitality michael uh malice left his super male vitality here it's just been sitting i don't know what to do with it. So it's just on the table. People are walking in. Whenever someone comes in, I go, it's for you, actually. And then I take it back. Michael, come get your super male vitality. Well, hey, instead of worshiping mangoes, we can worship Mike Malice's super male vitality.

Let's get a painting of the people holding it up. And what's the other one called? The brain blast? Is that what it is? Yeah, brain blast. I don't know. That's the Jimmy Neutron thing. Anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody.

We'll be back Monday at 8 p.m. And we'll see you all then. Bye, guys. Thank you.