Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #198 - Capitol Police Chief RESIGNS Over Unrest, Trump SLAMS Criminals w/ Richie McGinniss

Episode Date: January 8, 2021

Tim, Luke, and Lydia host the Riot Bros, Riche McGinniss and Jorge Ventura, to break down some of the finer points of what exactly happened in Washington, DC during the riot at the Capitol building, as well as Jorge's up-and-coming documentary about life during lockdown and the hardships it inflicts on the average person in the US.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So we got some pretty sad breaking news. A police officer has died of his injuries sustained during the storming of the Capitol. And I don't know why anyone would want anything like this. I mean, I don't know. It's just miserable. We spend all year complaining about the violence from Antifa and the destruction and the vandals and the burning. We talk about it doesn't work. I show all the polls explaining how they lost all their public support following the storming of the Capitol. They're losing. Trump supporters are losing public

support. And now Trump himself has just come out issuing a statement condemning the violence, the criminals saying that there will be a new administration and a peaceful transition. So I don't I don't I don't know what to say to these Trump supporters that think what they did somehow helped them or whatever. But I can tell you, you're left with two scenarios, I suppose. With Donald Trump coming out and saying that it was essentially wrong and he denounces this and it was un-American, you either have people defying, claiming to support Trump, but actually defying what he asked for when he said, go home in peace. And people said no and stayed and, you know, fought with cops or whatever.

That's really weird that you would support the president. He would tell you like, hey, this is what you should do. And people wouldn't listen. Or you have, you know, Trump unwilling to, you know, all these people are claiming, you know, the people who are claiming it was good or whatever. Well, Trump said it was bad. So I guess you support a guy who doesn't have the guts or whatever. I think ultimately in the end, Trump condemning this is the right thing. And it's very, very simple. No matter what you think, this is what I say about Antifa and the Black Lives Matter riots. It was satisfying to their

emotions and it did nothing for them. In fact, it destroyed the support they had across this country. Of course, they still enjoy corporate support, of course, all that stuff. But from all of this, they, you know, they ended up losing support. Now, Trump is absolutely losing, you know, a lot of a lot of support yet. I'm not going to pretend like, you know, all these Trump supporters are also abandoning him or anything like that. But you see it. More worryingly than any of that, though, is the escalation that we're seeing from Democrats, media pundits screaming on TV, and CNN saw their highest ratings ever, just around 9 million. Official numbers,

I believe, are 8.2 million. So you could just say 8, but we're saying around 9 million official numbers i believe 8.2 million so you could just say eight but we're saying around 9 million you think cnn's gonna stop now chris cuomo and don lemon going back and forth insulting people berating them and mocking them and talking about stupid trump supporters are how stupid these flyover states are this sentiment is generating them massive ratings and so long as this hatred pers, the only thing I can see is escalation. And so we're going to talk a lot about it, and it's going to be really interesting because we actually have two journalists

who are there on the ground. You guys want to just introduce yourselves because you've both been here before. I'm Richie McGinnis. Yeah, the chief video director for The Daily Caller at Richie McGinnis on Twitter and everywhere else. And you were actually in the building. I was in the building.

Credentialed. I'm credentialed. We are credentialed. The Daily Caller is credentialed by the House Radio TV Gallery. So I did have my credential, although it was taken from me during the melee. Wow. And yeah, I'm a field correspondent for The Daily Caller, Jorge Ventura. You can find me at Ventura Report and Jorge Ventura TV. And yeah, I got to arrive a little bit after and just kind of document the

aftermath of it. And it's still crazy. I think we're also trying to wrap our minds around it. So apparently you guys got some crazy stories. But interestingly too, Jorge, you did a bunch of interviews with people about their businesses being shut down in California. Yes. Yeah. So essentially've been, so essentially what happened was, is during November, during Thanksgiving week, I flew back home to California and it was just literally just like a family vacation. And as soon as I landed back in California, I live in the Antelope Valley community in Palmdale, LA County put a ban to outdoor dining. So as soon as I landed back home, you know, you just drive around my community,

you could just see all the family businesses, small businesses just going out. It's just, you know, big, just seeing like the real life depression of folks losing their jobs, servers, and a lot of my friends that I have, their parents own these restaurants. And now their parents are thinking about filing for bankruptcy and basically losing their american dream and um i think what happens to reporters is living in dc you do get stuck in a bubble you know and and i kind of did forget being in dc and just covering the civil unrest of how bad the pandemic is just hitting regular working class middle class americans well so that's what's interesting i think it's cool to have you both both you guys here because i mean first of all you're both there on the ground. Richie, you were inside. But Jorge, you've actually talked to people about what is the seed of a lot of this anger. Not all of it. I don't want to say most of it, but there's a lot of people who are really angry and a lot of them are desperate.

Yeah. And it has a lot to do with it. in American history where when you just push Americans to the corner, this is how they're going to react. And I got to see it in L.A. County because, you know, L.A. County puts the ban on outdoor dining. And now when I went to go interview restaurant owners, it was depressing at first because they were like, hey, it's Thanksgiving week and I have to lay off all of my staff. And at that time they already knew. They're like, hey, this band is going to go longer than three weeks.

So now I'm telling my folks, hey, you're not going to have a job during Christmas. so you already got to see that but then you get the other half where owners are saying you know what if you're gonna put this band on that's it i'm just gonna defy and i'm gonna stand up and all this all of a sudden we're seeing this uh happen in america then a lot of folks that i interviewed too tim they're saying hey this is not like a left or right issue it's just anger this is just us wanting to earn a basic living and we just feel like government is now really infringing and like i said we're just seeing i feel like a moment in history where americans are put in this corner and i mean i'm not surprised about how that how

they're reacting right now right on of course we got luke redkowski hanging out welcome back beautiful and amazing human beings this is luke redkowski of we are change.org a lot of crazy information to get into that i'm just going to just throw it at you because like we seriously there's so much information happening right now it's absolutely like i'm like going crazy here i already it's they're not documents but uh their notes about just everything that's going on right now that is absolutely berserk it's crazy a lot of stuff needs to be broken down and uh yeah let's do it the first thing we gotta talk about for sure is is richie being in the uh yeah in that but in the capital but uh

don't forget star petulance she's pressing all the buttons pushing buttons chiming in yeah and uh let's uh well let me just jump to the first story and then we'll we'll get into what what happened on the ground trying to understand how this happened this is from uh k ron four u.s capital police officer dies after violent protests bring debt bringing death toll to five I'm trying to understand how this happened. This is from K-Ron 4. U.S. Capitol Police Officer Dies After Violent Protests Bringing Death Toll To Five. They say a U.S. Capitol Police Officer has died from injuries sustained during violent riots at the Capitol on Wednesday. A source tells K-Ron's 4, Alexandra Limon, that the police officer was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter and was taken off life support. The police officer is now the fifth person to die as a result of the violent protests. The other four who have died are identified as Rosalind, Rosanne Boyland. Now, my understanding is she was she fell and they believe she was

trampled. Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips. I'm not entirely sure which one, but one of them suffered a heart attack. One of them suffered a stroke. And Ashley Babbitt, of course, she was the woman who had climbed up in the window and peeked through and the officer shot her, killing her. Now, look, you know, apparently some, you know, a couple people had heart attack and one guy had a heart attack, one guy had a stroke. They're trying to lump that in to make that seem like that's part of the actual riotous death count. And I think that might be a little disingenuous. Although I guess if you, you know, if you have suffered a medical emergency because you're older and you're in the heat of the moment you blood flow and all that stuff you're going crazy and your heart's pounding i guess it makes sense but it wasn't

like those people died because of external forces it was just you know their bodies giving out as for uh you know ashley babbitt she got killed and what was she really doing but just climbing up and looking through a window i mean come on it's not like it's not like i'm gonna sit here and say that these people should have been the building building. Of course not. But I'm just, I tell you, man, I have seen these circumstances. A bunch of people run into the building. You see people who don't know what's going on who walk up and they're just bumbling around confused. I've talked about it over and over again. That what happens is someone runs up to a door and hits the glass, runs away. Someone else runs up and sees the glass falling and knocks out some pieces, runs away.

It's all these little grains of sand that eventually the doors open and mindless people are just like walking up and seeing the door open and walking away like, wow, what's going on? And then you end up with this woman. Now she's got social media videos, you know, Ashley. She was very adamant. She was very angry. A staunch Trump supporter. But this shouldn't have happened. I mean, even if, you know, people were storming the Capitol, it's absurd in my opinion. Now, I got to be honest. I get it. You stormed the Capitol.

You got itchy trigger fingers from Capitol security and it's their job to barricade the doors and protect the people inside. And it's just completely tragic. Now, I'll tell you, I'm also mad about this cop losing his life because this is a look. I say this about the left all the time. They think the cops know what they're talking about you see a cop and they're like he's he should know what i know and so they scream traitor whose side are you on and that cop doesn't necessarily know what you know now i think it's fair to say a lot of trump supporters a lot of conservatives probably assume the cops know a

bit because they're cops and they deal with this stuff all year but i'm i'm not gonna pretend that you know when you see cops going around and destroying small businesses throughout the lockdown, just like blocking doors. Yeah, that that we see in New York and stuff violates the First Amendment when they when they when they're secretly filming, you know, Jewish schools. That is creepy. And it also violates the right to worship and assemble when they're shutting down churches. These were cops who are providing basic security to our government who are standing around saying we want to make sure everybody inside can do their job somebody bashes guy over with a fire extinguisher why why why kill the guy why would

you do that oh man it's just it's infuriating yep um you know many news organizations and even some individuals are talking about thoughts and prayers for the traumatized Congress members. People forget that people died here. This is a very serious incident, specifically talking about that woman. You know, there's a lot of videos. We still don't know the full details. We hope there's an investigation, but it doesn't look justified. And right now we're getting the information that the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police is saying that the police officer involved in that fatal shooting has been placed on administrative leave and their police powers have been suspended pending investigation another thing that really needs to be pointed out scared

cop with a gun man um yes but then also he was behind the door there's a lot of different elements that we could break down here but another important one is that there was police officers with like full-on long rifles tactical behind her yeah that was insane the police officer could have killed other police officers and and and and there was no threat to anyone's life and again i don't want to be jumping to conclusions because i do hope there's an investigation we do need to wait for cooler heads to prevail before making any kind of assumptions and judgments here. But just looking at that video footage, we should really prioritize the truth about that event rather than, in my opinion, you can't even compare the two, the nonsense, the hysteria, the just hyperbolic bullcrap on mainstream media right now. Oh, I mean CNN's ratings are through the roof. So, of course, they're going after Trump hard.

Yeah. You know, but look, we got more news here pertaining to the police. U.S. Capitol Police chief to resign after Wednesday's riots. I mean, so there you go. That's the news. It's Stephen Sund is resigning amid criticism over an apparent lack of preparedness to deal with Wednesday's violent mob on Capitol Hill. You know, I was I was on Twitter and I was about to tweet something like, why weren't the police ready for this? And then I stopped and thought about what I had just said

when I made a segment on YouTube and said, I don't think Trump supporters will do anything. I think they're going to go. They're going to support Trump. They're going to rally. They're going to wave American flags and they're going to march around. I didn't think there any people who actually, you know, storm the barricades. Now, there's a couple of videos. One of them shows the cops retreating as the group pushes through. But there's a bunch of different areas. There's also an overhead view of all of the barricades and a massive crowd shaking the barricades, knocking them down, then rushing the stairs up to the building.

So, I mean, look. That might have been my video because I was up in that. Were you filming down? I was up in the media tower that they had let's set up for inauguration let's uh uh let's do this let me get your thoughts on uh on you know this officer and these people lost their life and then we'll go into your story about everything that went down so you know just like i don't know tell me what you think about what the violence and all that stuff so i mean first off i arrived basically when they had already uh amassed around the the Capitol and the police had set up their line. So right when I arrived, the first thing I noticed was not only were the police using mace and bear spray, but they also were the protesters were using it as well on the police.

And the police were less adequately equipped than I was. As a reporter, I had a tactical helmet and a gas mask because I had seen the reports and I rushed down there. You turned the mic off. Yeah, sorry. And so when I got there, I was extremely surprised to see how unprepared the police were. Usually in these kind of situations

where things are escalating, you see riot police pour out. But the people who had formed the lines, they were all just basically your standard Capitol police. Maybe they had a shield over their face if they were lucky, but no gas masks. But these people who are in the front and, you know, spraying the cops and stuff, who were they? Were they Trump supporters? Because we're hearing a lot of people are trying to claim, especially conservatives, that it was actually Antifa.

But I've seen one video where there's a guy who does not look like a Trump supporter, but he's got a Trump on his helmet bashing a window just like antifa does and people are screaming stop him and then a trump supporter grabs him and puts him in a neck hold and pulls him down yeah that's also extremely underreported yeah what you just brought up is an important facet that there were elements from videos that i've seen people saying stop this yes i'm curious i'm curious from you guys because there's two kind of theories out there one is that there was inadequate security and that the police officers let them in. Another one was that they were just not ready and they were overtaken. There's these two theories. What do you guys think from your personal opinions?

What actually happened yesterday? It's kind of a mix with both. They were for sure not prepared, undermanned. I kind of went into it the same sentiment of tim actually even reporting the ground was i didn't think anything crazy was i actually was anticipating more black lives matter activists maybe making their way down and then you know just because that's what we've seen in the past but from what i what i saw is they were for sure unprepared but to me i didn't see anything that like jumped out and said, you know, these were Antifa.

Like, I just, you know, I know that's not popular to say right now. You see that video where they're yelling, no, Antifa, no, stop him, stop him. But then again, like when there were these claims over the summer that, you know, right wingers were infiltrating Antifa and BLM protests. What were they? You know, did Umbrella Man wear a MAGA hat when he did the crime? No. So Antifa is not going to dress up as Antifa if they're, you know did umbrella man wear a maga hat when he did the crime no so antifa is not going to dress up as antifa um if they're you know trying to but these you know what i mean yeah but so so some of these so it's impossible to tell really just because they have a red hat on doesn't really know these guys didn't they had like a brown helmet and then just like

black black gear with a trump sticker on it and i'm like oh i saw that dude geared up and then slapped a sticker on his helmet make it seem like he's a Trump supporter. Now, this is interesting because we've seen the media during the summer trying to obfuscate some of the kind of left-wing protests as undercover right-wingers. There was government officials,

mainstream media politicians saying, no, these aren't left-wing Antifa. These are right-wingers trying to incite us to make us look bad. Now we're seeing a kind of similar kind of attempt here do you think it's legitimate or because other people are also adding that there wasn't any kind of counter protest when there usually is that's what people are saying i don't want to jump to conclusions i just want to kind of hear your opinions on this i think from just from my perspective is emotions are super high

right now even from a reporter perspective like even right after election if you just told the truth about the election people are unfollowing you and canceling you if you don't tell them what they want to hear if you don't say trump's going to be in office after january 20th you're done so i i was already seeing that and then this i think is just adds on top of it like i said um i I don't know what's going on, but it just seems like no one wants to take responsibility. It seems like Antifa is just the easy scapegoat. Like, just anything, hey, Antifa, Antifa, look. Even before everything broke down, when I was doing interviews,

I was asking folks, do you think this is kind of a civil war that we're headed? Because, look, whether you agree with the Stop the Rally march in D. dc that moment is historic because we've never seen anything like that after a presidential election so we're already walking on you know uncharted waters so with with this situation to me um like i said i was asking folks do you think we're headed to a civil war i was nine times out of ten they're saying this is a civil war to us this is a revolution not to mention like all the crowbars yes like people were telling me that implies premeditation what is a crowbar used for like what for holding up a sign no so absolutely not for breaking the doors open correct people had crowbars oh i saw probably five or six crowbars a lot of them actually were just left

by the doors where the glass had been shattered what yeah i got because i got knocked down by one of the doors and i actually was looking for my phone and i found a crowbar that's so weird man i don't know i mean i just think everyone's emotional right now you know what i think i i don't know is this is this we never breaking in you know i guess maybe in the 1700s taking the state building may have granted you some kind of power i don't know how that works i guess you're like i'm in the building it's mine now. Especially not today.

They can issue a statement from wherever they want. Any one of these politicians. Going in the building didn't do anything. I mean, we've got videos of, I tweeted this out, the Women's March took over the Senate building and then they shut the whole building down. And they weren't worried about the fact that there was like a thousand plus people screaming at the top of their lungs inside oh was that that in heart was that heart senate office building yeah yeah that big like um the atrium yeah exactly that's heart yeah so i understand it's a fairly different circumstance that you know storming through the barricades and fighting with cops and pepper spraying them

and smashing windows and breaking it is very different plus it was during the electoral you know vote count so you know i just i wonder what the goal is for either group like the women's march didn't accomplish anything what did they accomplish really yesterday other than some people have lost their lives i mean to me just yeah you don't accomplish anything it just seems like trump just lost a whole bunch of support we've seen now the senators kind of rescind their objections not all of them and now this also gives big tech the biggest excuse in the world as we've already seen to just censor trump i mean it just seems like after the election trump is going to disappear on social media i don't know oh it's

already basically he's definitely banned from facebook now according to mark zuckerberg's own personal post the new york times yesterday had two articles talking about the importance of limiting speech. And we are seeing people left, right and center just being taken down for the minuscule post and even memes. There's a meme of that guy who's wearing the kind of weird head gear and the face paint. And it says, you know, 2021. I thought it wasn't going to be crazy. And Facebook is banning people's account for that post. And it's not even a political post. It's not even taking side. It's a joke.

It's a meme. It's people saying this year's pretty crazy, banned by Facebook. And they just released these vague terms saying if you are supportive of this in any way, you get cut. Michelle Obama just released a statement talking about how it's dangerous to have social media. But there's a big argument I want to make here. And I really want to kind of talk about the dangers of censorship, especially when it comes to QAnon. Because when we look at QAnon, this was a movement that was essentially censored. But the conversation didn't end.

It was festered and moved into the dark corners of the internet where it grew. That conversation could have been addressed, could have been handled in a way where people could actually talk about it in a rational real way instead of just going off on this bizarreness there could be people pushing back yes one of the problems with parlor for instance and i'm not here to rag on parlor in terms of what it is i'm just saying one of the problems philosophically is that when you when all the trump supporters leave twitter because they ban trump they go to parlor where they no longer hear the arguments from the other side. And the same is true for the left.

The problem is, for the longest time, Twitter has just been banning arguments from the right, so the left only hears their own refuse back at themselves. And Trump supporters leave and then start doing their own refuse back at themselves. Not just Twitter, Facebook and YouTube also going after people who are debunking the QAnon stuff, people who are saying, hey, let's take a legitimate look. Let's look at the evidence. Let's look at the accusations. Let's actually look at this.

And they were debunking QAnon stuff. Independent creators had their channels taken down because they were doing that. YouTube did that. Yes, YouTube did that. YouTube took down conspiracy debunkers. Yeah, I had to go through all my old videos being like, okay, I can't even talk about this. And I removed some of them because YouTube was on a huge purge against q anon and whether you were against it or for it and that is something that really pushed the conversation that made

people on the fringe even more fringe even more extreme and they and they were coming back and saying well if we're not legitimate why is youtube blocking us we must be against the system we must be against this over target exactly we're over the target because we're getting the flack we're getting censored and and this is why i'm against censoring speech and this is why this is an extremely dangerous time because a lot of people are using this situation to push for extreme censorship and the destruction of civil liberties they they They've censored the president of the United States. I mean, look, you can complain. I think the tweets he put out where he said,

this is what happens when a great and glorious landslide is taken. But then he did say, go home in peace. Never forget this day. It was far from a perfect statement. Trump could have done way better. And so I think I can be somewhat critical. It was kind of a tepid statement. The left is, of course, freaking out about it. it wasn't an overt act of support or anything like that but

it was pretty close to it but regardless of what you think about that they removed him they took down the president that's crazy to me and they're probably going to take down the rest of his social media uh and they're probably going to make sure that he never has a voice in this kind of larger political discourse like he previously had before and this is a president where it's going to be set where the tech ruling elites, Mark Zuckerberg, is going to decide what you can and cannot hear. Michael Tracy had a very interesting point about this that I think is worth talking about. He said, quote, philosopher King Mark Zuckerberg should definitely get to unilaterally decide based on his subjective political judgment, which definitely is not dictated by the fleeing passions of the day,

whether the public is allowed to hear from the elected president. Good system. And he makes a good point there. But I wanted to kind of bring it back to you guys here, because one of the talking points is that this was an insurrection. These were terrorists. They planned the coup d'etat. We have John Bolton, the man who knows almost everything about a coup d'etat because he orchestrated them in the third world, coming out and saying this was definitely a coup d'etat.

From your experience, was this a professional coup d'etat attempt even well i mean what i saw going into the capital were some people who were intent on breaking things but mostly a lot of just kind of bewildered people who were kind of bumbling about and and kind of taking in the novelty of it and when i arrived in the rotunda you know there were probably about 80 people in there and a lot of them were just milling around and taking selfies and and it didn't seem like they were you know trying to run around and smash anything um i i think really what what happens in these kind of situations is is once the chaos starts you know once a couple of people break through that line once a couple of people start pushing up on the cops then it doesn't take much for other people to follow suit. So let's just start from the beginning and let's hear your guys' story. What happened?

Well, we'll start off with... Well, actually... You can start off in the morning because you were there. Yeah. So I got there around 8 in the morning and as soon as I arrived at the Washington Monument, it was just like a sea of people, flags everywhere. How many do you think? I mean, from my perspective, I minimum how over half a million people i would

say hundreds of thousands yeah we've heard that we've heard that i was there for obama's first inauguration and second and trump's and it was not quite the same numbers as any of those but it was close half a million yeah it was a lot let's not forget you said half a million i i mean i think i mean it was because we for sure 200 for sure the women's march they said it was around there and i looked at the photos um you know the aerials and stuff i mean it was hundreds of thousands let's let's say that it's definitely more than tens of thousands i think so what happens what happens that's also so so so my understanding is that trump got on stage and said you know everybody stand at attention and said your orders are as such go and destroy and then start passing out torches right yeah like trump trump directed all of them from like i said i got there i'm kidding by the way yeah i know but when i even

even getting there like i said i got in got it there in the morning it was a sea of people it went all the way back to like the washington monument um when trump trump i think took the stage around noon and he spoke for about 45 minutes now where i was at you couldn't even like hear him so like the people were just there to like kind of be there but even during his speech people already started going to the capitol building so um like from where i was at you couldn't hear anything but like i said it seemed like a normal day you know i was i was watching trump's speech and it was before anybody could have even left the ellipse people were already at the gates of the Capitol. So like Trump and the people who were there. So I knew people who were down there and I was asking them, I was like, are you anywhere near the Capitol?

They're like, no, I'm at the rally. Trump's giving a speech. I'm like, but there are people at the Capitol building right now who were like, you know. So anyway, continue. But basically, yeah, I was more in the back section. But even even during Trump's speech, like I said, you already see people flowing in and heading towards the Capitol building. So I did my interviews. Then I thought it was going to be a regular day. I already see people flowing in and heading towards the Capitol building. So I did my interviews.

I thought it was going to be a regular day. So for me, I was like, you know what? This is my chance to go get some McDonald's and just kind of recharge, be back at five for the action. So when I went to go do that, that's when I got the news of basically the breach happened. And I think – That's literally right as I was heading down. And I think Richie then took off. I saw – I actually had a friend who worked at the Capitol and and they were up on the roof, and they said they saw cops running around. And I was like, that's weird.

I should probably get down there. So I went down there, and I brought all my gear because I didn't suspect that things were going to get bad, but I wanted to be ready if they did. And the moment I arrived, I mean, you can see the clips. My first clips on my thread on Twitter is basically art. They were already clashing. And I went up in that tower, that scaffolding. And you can see that view as the lines are broken. Basically, it's the same thing. You know, two or three guys make it through.

They get clubbed. They get knocked down. Brutality. Everyone gets even more mad. And then a couple more breakthrough. And then the police are overwhelmed. And if you see the numbers, I mean, it's not a matter. I think that the instances that have been cited online of cops letting up or whatever, I don't even think it was a matter of that because even where I was, where the cops were giving it their 1,000.

I mean, you can see on the video, these cops were trying their best to hold on to these barriers, to hold the line. But they were getting pepper sprayed themselves. And I saw a number of them injured and going back and getting medical attention. So I think they would have been overwhelmed no matter what, given the chaos that was unfolding. So how did you – so what happens? You're standing up on the scaffold. You see the line break. What happens next? So I see the line break.

And as the line is breaking, I have to give a shout out. It was my mom's birthday. And I called her in the morning. I'm not that bad a son. But she called And as the line is breaking, I have to give a shout out. It was my mom's birthday. And I called her in the morning. I'm not that bad a son. But she called me as the line was breaking. And like on an iPhone, if you ignore the call, it ends the video. So then if you look on Twitter, my video is broken up into three parts because my mom called me a second time and I declined again. And she forgave me for ignoring her call on her birthday. So thank you, mom.

I appreciate that. But after that, by that point, the police were concentrating themselves kind of in that open area on the stairs, but people were already climbing up the scaffoldings and into an area where they could still access the cap. So they were past the cops. So actually the scaffoldings made it more difficult for the cops to defend that area surrounding,

because basically there were were you know like little nooks and crannies where people could crime in climb into those scaffoldings climb up and get up on the bleachers so then so what happens like when when did people get in take us through how you ended up in there from up there i could see the basically the flow of people going up the stairs a lot of them just stopped and decided to wave a trump flag or you know wave whatever flag they had i caught video of one guy who got a fire extinguisher for somewhere and was spraying it down on the cops below him well yeah um so when did they go inside so that it was right around that time that the lines broke and it took me about 10 minutes before i realized like there's a

there are a ton of people going in there and i i have congressional press credentials so i was like i'm going in i'm gonna see what's going on there that's how you were up there in the first place yeah um well no so i actually just i i i'd come down so quickly that oh yeah i wasn't up there in the first place but um by the time i got in there i saw a bunch of people in the rotunda but then to my left i saw some protesters kind of rushing down the hall through statuary hall towards the house floor so i went through statuary hall and there was already like um evidence of some riot control munitions being used um you can see like the pepper on the ground you know and and also the orange tinge of uh pepper spray yeah you know like it has a right color depending on which brand it is. So I proceeded

down that hallway and I actually saw a group of protesters surrounding the house doors. And there were like eight or nine of them. You can see it on my video right as I arrive. And actually some of them are shouting like, you killed her, you killed someone, you killed someone. And so they were already somehow aware. I think that was just immediately after

the shooting had taken place. And one of them had wedged himself right in that door. And I think that's the photo that you see with the police with their guns drawn, right? That guy with his face right there, because the there were only two or three police at the time, they're actually outnumbered right in front of the doors. And they were trying to pry him off. But because they were outnumbered, they were basically waiting, waiting for reinforcements. And it took about five to ten minutes of kind of like a little standoff before six or seven more cops showed up and then removed them,

and we were pushed back out through Statuary Hall and into... There's a clip where you're saying you can't breathe, and there's a cop saying he can't breathe. What happened with that? Okay, so that was after we were pushed through Statuary Hall.

We were back into the Capitol Rotunda, which is underneath the big dome. That's like the biggest room there. And there were still maybe 100 people in there. The cops started to push us out, but there's kind of like maybe only a 20-foot wide doorway there. And so what happened was all the protesters got bottlenecked there. They were pushing back. And then there were maybe 40 or 50 cops at the time pushing against us. So I was, you know, as a reporter, it's valuable to be in the middle of the protesters and the cops so you can kind of show both sides. So I was stuck in between and I literally had, you can hear on the video,

the cop had his billy club on my stomach and I was like, can you just take it off my tummy? Like, please. My tummy? I don't know why I said that. I don't know why I said that, but I think it was easier for me to say tummy than like stomach. Yeah well i don't know why i said that i don't know why i said that but i think it was easier for me to say tummy than like stomach yeah i don't know why i just think um but you could hear another you never know how you act in a crisis people people think they know how to respond you know sometimes you blow that tummy but it felt a lot better once he got it up on my vest why was he doing it he was like holding you back or what so he was pushing against me to

try to push the protesters back but there were probably 30 protesters behind me pushing against me so i literally was just i mean i was telling the officers like there's nothing i can do and he was being pushed behind by his own officers so this is why you shouldn't go in between yeah i understand what you mean but you know you're trying to you're trying to stand not necessarily in between but like off but still sort of like so you can see both groups and what they're doing. Because if you're behind the protesters, you won't see what they're doing. And if you're behind the cops, you don't see what the cops are. You got to get that angle.

It's tough. And then you end up getting jammed. It was like 20 minutes stuck in there as just pushing back and forth. Wow. But then they broke through or what? They eventually pushed the protesters all out. Oh, okay. They cleared it out.

Yeah. And then there was another scuffle by the door to the exit, which had also been smashed. And they were trying to close, but the protesters were blocking that. And so that was kind of the last final push. And I got tossed into the door. You have breaking news? This is pretty big news by an AP reporter named Mike Balsamo, who says, quote, U.S. Capitol Police say reports

that an officer has died are not true. Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no U.S. CP officers have passed away. This is, again, according to Mike Balsamo, who is an AP reporter that just broke this story a couple of minutes ago. I didn't want to interrupt you. No, no, no, no. Here's the challenge for minutes ago. I didn't want to interrupt you. Here's the challenge for us here. As with anything pertaining to news, I've got what, 800 plus sources saying an officer died of being hit in the head with a fire

extinguisher and we have one guy saying it's not true. So who do you trust? I actually know Mike. He does great work. I trust him. I do too. I do too. I do too. He did, I can't remember what he, he covered some big event. He did, too. I do, too. I can't remember what he did. He covered some big events. What Mike did was really cool. During the Portland riots, he got

inside access with a federal officer. So he actually got to be in the line with them. And he got to actually interview and tell their story. So yeah, I think I'll trust Mike on that one. But at the same time, we'll see. We'll have to wait for things to kind of... Look, it's really fascinating that we've got've got you know k-ron 4 we got cnn we got a

bunch of sources saying this officer died now he's coming out saying the capitol police are denying that it makes sense yeah sometimes you know what happens is that cnn will get a story and then everyone copies cnn and cite them and then someone goes for a comment goes whoa you got to stop well tim actually speaking of the the ap oh mike well, I got there a little bit after, I guess, the crowd has already been cleared out at the U.S. Capitol. So it was between 4 to 435. And as soon as I got there, there were still hundreds of folks at the U.S. Capitol. And there was a lot of rage going on.

And so I got on the ground and the AP was actually there still reporting. They had a couple of cameras. I believe they had about four cameras, tripods, the whole thing. And the whole crowd just starts turning on them, attacking them. Snatching their cameras, right? Yeah, yeah. Then they took down their barricades. Then in my video, you can see one man with an American flagpole

just trying to hit them and smack the cameras down. Then eventually the crowd just destroys the whole equipment. So I took that footage and then i i uploaded on twitter then the the the response online is um you know folks were just like cheering it on and it's my mentality that's why we use our cell phones and look and i get it you know there's a lot of anger with with the with the mainstream media but i think for me as a takeaway with as a reporter was you know and maybe rich if you have some thoughts on this is like during the summer when we filmed press getting attacked from black Lives Matter activists and we put that online, that same crowd would say, hey, these are the anti-fascists.

They're against the First Amendment. They're against freedom of press. But when it's their side, it was totally acceptable. It's a really interesting point, and it goes back to what you were talking about with the small businesses earlier, which is over the summer, what we saw were a lot of really people who felt like they'd been sold down the river, and they were angry about it. And that anger was aimed towards a system that was enforced by police. And so the argument of BLM and Antifa is always they enforce a corrupt system. Therefore, all cops are bastards so we saw that turn happen um not this last rally but the one before where all the proud boys were basically saying you guys are enforcing this system that's stealing our election therefore you guys are terrible but i we started seeing the sentiment against police when the cops were

enforcing the covid lockdowns and some of them were perceived as arbitrary by locals, notably in Staten Island, where you had this one bar that decided to open up in defiance of the lockdown, but two blocks away, there's a restaurant with full, like just operating like normal. And so the locals get angry and they say,

what's this all about? Why are we locked on? And they're not. And they say, well, you're on the border of the red zone. So when the police come out and block the door, people in Staten Island, Trump supporters, come out with Trump flags, surprisingly thin blue line flags, yelling at the cops.

And then it escalated when we actually saw the conservatives take the thin blue line flag, throw it on the ground, stomp on it, and then throw it in the street. And then I think now you've got conservatives saying it's the birth of right-wing Antifa. Well, it's important to point out in Staten Island, the zone that was restricted the most was a Republican area

that many people said that the local Democratic government was selectively choosing to enforce these rules. Well, they were also targeting the Jewish areas, which is really weird. Yeah, the Hasidic Jewish community. And we talked about that extensively on this show and even had Heshi on the show,

who's still out there and going to many rallies and doing a lot of different stuff. I actually made my way up there and covered a story with the Hasidic Jew community where they just defied the lockdown orders and kind of partied out in the streets. Burned some masks. Yeah. One of the crazy things, too, I guess, is just people – there's a lot of commentary on the wrong target, I guess. They're saying, why are you going to the Capitol building? You know, they're doing this, I guess you'd call it pro forma or ceremonial electoral, you know, count.

And it didn't matter if it was shut down or not. It doesn't matter if you're in the Capitol. Where's the actual organization and the protests of these actual corrupt institutions? I get it. They view the Capitol and Congress as corrupt in a lot of ways. But what about the media? And what about, more importantly, organizing and planning so that what you do is effective in some capacity? Because now what we see here is already there's Joe Biden coming out numerous occasions now saying it was insurrection,

domestic terrorism, and things like that. So we had the Patriot Act. Now they're going to come out with the securing American freedoms and and now we're seeing an argument to remove trump from office with the article mm25 yeah my question is is i think if that had been a blm march then perhaps the they would have had more guards who was who's in charge of that who i honestly think whose job is it to make sure that that Capitol doesn't get attacked? It's Capitol Police, right? There's Park Police involved, Muriel Bowser, and the federal government.

Who of those people fucked up? Well, it's the. Sorry, messed up. Fudged up. No, it's the Capitol Police who's now resigned, I suppose. But I think the issue is, look, I think they screwed up. But more importantly, nobody thought Trump supporters were going to do this do this come on i had my helmet and my gas mask on yeah but i guess we've seen the escalation like i mentioned with with cops and and you know the

proud boys fighting but to like you look at antifa and they're showing up and they've been burning you know antifa and black guys matter i've been burning things down for years they're like we better secure this. You get the ellipse full of a bunch of middle aged and older Trump supporters waving little flags and Trump giving a speech. And they were like, man, it's gonna be fine. You know, we don't got anything to worry about. Apparently, they did. The Proud Boys, the previous rally, they weren't just waving little flags.

They were running through the streets shouting F Antifa and looking for fights. And they got the fights. But to assume that the regular Trump supporters would bolster that, you know what I mean? Would, would, would escalate. I agree with that,

but I don't think it takes very many in the group in order to, to create that kind of situation. And I think, you know, what some people have said is I, I can't believe I'm seeing people that think it was a good strategy. I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters. I don't think that matters.

You know what, man? When we see Cori Bush and AOC, they're calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who supported Trump. She directly said that Ted Cruz and Hawley should be expelled from Congress. It's like, okay, you're a congresswoman. They're senators. It's a bit different. It's the upper chamber. But that's an insane and dangerous escalation and it's going to keep happening nobody wants

to back down cnn doesn't cnn is looking at their their cpms they're you know on youtube perhaps but they're looking at their ad rates and they're jeff zucker is cracking the champagne and saying we got to keep this going somehow and let's not forget there was our uh just a month ago there was a report of jeff zucker wanting to step down because of the trump administration so you know for him it was like hey i already rode what i could do you know that we already hit the highest ratings we can you know this under the biden administration you know it's going to be you know lame duck media um so yeah there was already reports of jeff suckers trying to step down but with this it's gonna you might want to stay in business for a little bit someone today took

chris como's comments a few months ago where he said protests are not supposed to be peaceful. They took the full segment. And instead of doing the B-roll of Black Lives Matter during the summer, they replaced it with what happened in the Capitol. And everyone's freaking out about that video. I mean, obviously, it's doctored. Obviously, it's fake. But we have to understand, you know, a lot of the bigger kind of mainstream media institutions have kind of led this kind of foundation, this groundwork that it's OK to use violence for political means. As long as it's your political means.

Exactly. I mean, Vox literally had an article that said riots are destructive, dangerous and scary, but can lead to serious political reform. This is what people are, you know, people, I got an email from someone saying, Tim, you're wrong about violence. And they were like, look at all these things throughout history where violence has brought change.

And I'm like, bro, that was 400 years ago. Like there was no mass media. There's no mass communication. And so, yes, one day somebody was leaving their farm and went to town hall

and saw a different flag there and went, what happened? And they were like, oh, he's in charge now. And I'm like, oh. But we have to understand BLM had the support of the establishment of the mainstream media, of attorney generals that literally let off a lot of people. Trump supporters don't have any of that.

So that's why this was a big miscalculation. This was a big misstep. And I think this was just a fervent crowd just getting the best of it all. Here's the question, though, is that do you think the conservative media's reaction has been similar to what quote-unquote liberal media's reaction was to the BLM riots? It's always like, well, I don't know specifically,

but I will say conservatives, especially like Ben Shapiro, will immediately come out and condemn on principle things. Indeed. Yeah, like if the violence is wrong, if the left does it, if the right does it.

At every level. The left doesn't do that, though. There's right-wingers detesting everything that happened yesterday fox news as it was happening had the the head guy of cpac on talking about how it was justifiable to assassinate and kill an unarmed woman who he thought at the time was a teenager was that match slap uh yeah yeah match slap was literally so so fox news already was saying this is disgusting this is horrible this is bad people deserve to die when they were shot unarmed by the cops that's that's the messaging that was coming out on fox a lot different than of course msnbc saying oh this

protest is mainly peaceful everything is mainly there's a there's a police station on fire behind the guy and he goes now now i know there's a fire but it's mostly peaceful and now these same people are lecturing us about how everyone who was there whether innocent or not whether bad or not whether doing something illegal or not deserves to be sent to jail for the maximum amount of time we deserve to lose our civil liberties we did we deserve to lose our speech because this happened and this is bad and this is horrible because violence should be detested at all costs. Meanwhile, they were cheering it on just a few weeks ago. Here's what I love, though. When Black Lives Matter shows up in D.C., they paint the street Black Lives Matter.

Then they get a ridiculous amount of police to guard. 27? No, no, no. I'm talking about guarding the Capitol buildings. Oh, yeah. You can see the picture of CBP doing their trainings and they're like, we're dispatching CBP and the left. I think it's they make a really great point when they say, why were so many cops deployed when we come out? And then when it's Trump supporters, they don't bring out that many that much at all. And I'm like, that's a really great point because they didn't secure this everyone now must suffer yeah social media must be censored you know uh people are being banned from twitter like crazy it's there's tons of reports now of like thousands of people just getting their accounts just just axed

there you go some a group of several hundred people breached the barricades they go in the building and like you said it seemed like a lot of them may have been just bumbling abound bewildered there were guys smoking literally rolled and smoked doobies in underneath the capital rotunda wow and there were like uh three or four of them that i filmed and they were just happy to talk to me about what kind of weed they were smoking and that's crazy i don't know masks they they no mask you can't smoke a doobie with a mask on no but i mean like these people didn't realize i'm not talking about like uh covid mask i'm talking about oh yes the amount of cameras they have in there i mean you walk into that rotunda you you're you're getting a facial scan these people were bumbling and doting

just i don't know fools yeah i was, I was watching that guy Baked Alaska just live streaming in there. I was like, oh, no. Prison. I also don't think that they understood. I think a lot of the people didn't. Yo, that painting over there is literally priceless. It was painted in like 1784. And it's this massive

oil painting. And there's just literally guys smoking doobies in front of it. And I got pepper sprayed in that room. And there was tear gas deployed in the rotunda, right? There was pictures of the Trump supporters. I didn't see it personally because I came in after. But like I said, I saw the evidence of riot control munitions. How do you clean the fire extinguishers?

People don't realize that all throughout the hallways of these buildings are priceless old portraits and paintings that are well taken care of i remember when i went to the white house there there were rooms where like i went to i went to the bathroom and there was like this ancient sword or whatever i shouldn't say ancient but like several hundred year old swords like outside the door and i'm like what is that like oh that sword is from this battle where you know this this you know ambassador came here and i'm And I'm like, that's the bathroom. That's the White House. When you're in the Capitol building, too, it's like that's real artifacts and art of history.

People going in there and smashing things and letting off the fire extinguishers and stuff. And then, of course, the right munitions. That's, that's, that's, you know what? You know what, man? You want to know what story really breaks my heart? The burning of the Library of Alexandria. Yes. Yeah. You guys, you guys know that, man? You want to know what story really breaks my heart? The burning of the library of Alexandria. Yes. Yeah.

You guys know that, right? Like the old library ancient history? Like, man, all the things we could have learned and all that history is gone. So when I think about what you're talking about, these paintings, I don't like it. But I will say, at least in the situation that I was in, the police showed a lot of restraint in only pushing and basically relying only on that. And taking selfies with people. Well, so like I said, I didn't see any of that. So I can only speak on what I saw.

But those police in that room, I saw maybe one or two times pepper spray deployed in a very – they were outnumbered. And it wasn't until the TAC police arrived. There were like a dozen guys in T there were they were outnumbered and it wasn't until you know the attack police arrived uh there were like a dozen guys in tacky they were outnumbered i don't know if you guys seen that video uh bg on the scene got it where you had the u.s capital police guy he was like in the corner literally like just shivering quivering yeah fear and i was like whoa that was like oh man isn't it isn't that weird though were you were you guys quivering when when this all this was going down? Were you shaking with fear and scared as people were coming in?

You've got the risk, Richie, of the protesters and the police. You're not a participant. You're there as a journalist. They were smashing cameras outside. So the cops are going to be like, I don't care. They're going to go after everybody. Then you've got the protesters who are like, someone's etched murder the media into a door. yeah i saw that how is it were you quivering richie were you

terrified and shaking i think the only reason why i you know would think that i would get targeted is because i think i you know i'm not going to dress up like a trump supporter right but when i go to an antifa riot i'm dressing up like antifa to blend in. So I think maybe I stood out more than I would have in a normal situation. What I just mean is you are in this, a credentialed press, normal access to the building and all that stuff. You're covering what's going on. And there's this cop who's quivering and terrified. Now, we have this photo of all the members of Congress that are hiding and ducking, terrified. I think, to be fair, they don't know necessarily what the threat is.

All they know is they're told something's going on. And they found pipe bombs. So, you know, that I understand. But it's, to me, the cop. To see that video of that cop shivering. And I'm like, that dude. Look, man. You know, I once interviewed this NYPD detective.

And he was talking about the problems of the the cops and guns and unarmed people being shot and he said it's because you got scared people with guns you got to have like there's nothing more dangerous than a scared person with a gun and i'm like there's a lot of things more dangerous you know like a grizzly bear running through new york but i get your point i get your point and so when i see a video of that i'm like dude it's not prepared for this not at all yeah there's there's memes going around showing the pictures of the legislators and they're kind of hiding and uh the caption reads uh these are the people that send us to war send your children yeah send your children to war and again people react differently during moments of panic and chaos and you don't really know what's going to

happen until you really face it until you have that adrenaline rushing through your blood until your your your instincts take uh you know um just take over you know rational thinking is out the door some people are able to quiet their mind and see things very slowly but very few people can do that yeah let me let me ask you guys this too because this is something uh there's an experience that people often say when you're in these conflict situations it feels like time slows down is that is that would that resonate with you guys it certainly does with me when i used to be on the ground with this stuff yeah there would be gunshots going off and it's not it's like of course it doesn't slow down like not literally but there's like you're just heightened your your brain's going a million miles an hour and it feels kind of like you're taking all like

neo in the matrix and the bullets are coming and then you're slightly moving away like me being in these different rides in different countries and in places like ferguson it's not that time slows down so i explain to people but it's like all of a sudden my my like you know when you're when you're looking at something you're focused right like there's a beer bottle over there i can read the beer bottle and i can see in my peripheral vision some you know some stuff but like in these conflicts it's like all of my field of vision becomes focused, in focus. And I can just see everything's coming in and it kind of makes it feel like time is slowing down.

Your senses are honed in and you're in the moment. Every sound, every... Every little thing you pick up on and you register and it's there. I think I read it in a book. It's Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. And I think maybe for us,

because we're journalists and I think this is what it is for us. I think when we're in those moments, I think what it's called, it think we when we're in those moments i think what it's called it's called flow state for us yes i think for us yeah for us i think since our our our focus is so high because we know i think the moment the intensity the significance and also i think a lot of stuff we cover is historic so i think we know to perform our best but that we just kind of click into this flow state and things just take and sometimes you can't just describe like for me yeah like i'm a you know people always come up to me and like oh man like i love what you do you're such a brave person and stuff i'm like i'm not

like i don't you can't get me to go on a roller coaster like i won't do a roller i don't do roller coasters either it is is in those moments when we're in those chaotic scenes and you know what's gonna happen i think us journalists we kind of maybe click into this flow state. Cause for me, the, the, I don't have any fear. I just feel more focused.

I feel, I actually more feel more alive than ever. Like I feel like, I don't know. I feel like everything is, yeah, I feel like everything is in tune, but I mean,

what, what, what do you think Richie about that? I don't know how it clicks in for you. Definitely that. But I think there's a unique feeling that I've felt just a handful of times over this, you know this riotous period. And it's a feeling of how is this my country and how is this happening here?

And another time was when they tried to pull down the Jackson statue right in front of the White House and they spray-painted Black House autonomous or BHAZ on the St. John's Church. And that was another moment. And they set it on fire. Yes. The video of the fire from that church is no joke no joke we're lucky they put it out and it's also hard because you know in most of these instances i'm covered in pepper spray so it's like it's like this moment where i take off my gas mask and i'm like yes this is i'm seeing what i'm seeing is real you know what you want to you know what man i've been in i don't know i don't i i've got this sinking feeling all

day since yesterday since all this stuff started going down. I can feel it, you know, right in the pit of my stomach. Just this low-grade worry. I don't necessarily want to say fear because I'm like I'm heightened and I'm like alert to like something coming. But it's like a worry like a kind of stress, right? Now, I don't know if everybody's feeling that way, the people who are watching. Because I go out, you know,, go to the gas station or whatever. I got to eat and people are just going about their lives like nothing's going on.

And I wonder if it's because I've seen this in other countries. The stuff that we're seeing with AOC and Cori Bush saying expel Cruz and Hawley. AOC has said we must pass Cori Bush's resolution expelling and investigating these Republicans. I've seen that kind of stuff before. I've seen that language before. And I've seen where these street protests end up with people, you know, going through the doors of a building and taking it over and shutting things down. And now it's happening here.

And there's no escape. Because I always knew when I was in some of these countries watching the cast and the destruction. And yeah, criticize it. It's the journalistic. It's the parachute journalism privilege of knowing when all is said and done i'm on a plane i'm back home i'm kicking back having a burrito and watching spongebob or whatever like family guy i don't got anything to worry about this is your country right so i'm not

trying to be disrespectful but you know when i've been to places like venezuela and egypt ukraine etc and i'm watching these things happen i'm, I know that I'm dipping my toe in. And at a certain point, they're going to call me back and I'm going to go home. And then I'm going to go to my friends and be like, wow, how crazy was that? Cool. You guys want to order pizza? Now I'm sitting here at my house watching videos of my own capital and seeing similar things. And people, these people who are pushing these narratives, these people on CNN who are just,

I watched this thing with Cuomo and Don Lemon doing this handoff, and I almost threw up on my mouth a little bit. I'm like, they love it. They love it. They're egging each other on. It's like Don Lemon's laughing and eating chips, or I don't know what he was doing. And they're just like, these people are terrorists.

And then Joe Biden comes out and says, it's domestic terrorism. And I'm like, 74 million people voted for Donald Trump. 74 million people. And they say in a poll, 45% of Republican voters supported the storming of the Capitol. This is not a joke. You cannot be calling for escalation. Ted Cruz was right when he said, we need to put the anger away.

We need to come together. We need to figure this out. And what was AOC's response? You should be expelled. And I'm like, I have seen this. And I know figure this out. And what was AOC's response? You should be expelled. And I'm like, I have seen this and I know where it goes and I'm watching it happen. It's freaking me out. 74 million people disenfranchised, ignored, censored, and shamed. And it's not going to get any better. I mean, we talked about this for a while. We knew this was happening. And that feeling that you're getting, it's here too.

It's like a heaviness. It feels more like the bottom of my stomach because it feels like this is just the beginning and it's only going to get worse from here. That's why, you know, also, I was there in Venezuela. I went to certain places like Zimbabwe to Somalia to see just chaos. And when you're there, you know, you do have a moment where you're like, okay, I'm away from it. I finally got away from it. But when it's in your backyard, when it's happening in the United States, when you're seeing people hurt, injured,

when you're seeing people just lost, and you know them, it's something that is really a feeling that's very hard to describe, but that pit, it's there. I had it since yesterday as well, and I sadly feel like it won't be healed. It won't be fixed anytime soon, especially if we have these institutions continuing to put fuel on the fire. When I was in Egypt,

and I know I tell the story about Egypt a lot, but I think it was like the 4th of July, actually, in 2013, maybe, when they started going in and arresting journalists. There was reports that the military had gone into various news outlets, shut them down, arrested people. And I'm like, I got to call my security people. I got to call my support, figure out what's going on. And immediately when I heard that the journalists were getting arrested, it felt like someone grabbed my stomach and just squeezed it as hard as they could because it's like that stress immediately like, oh, man, I'm in this country. The revolution is right there. So I was like, I got to get my wits together.

I had everything packed. And you got to stay calm. You can't panic, you know, because I didn't know what was going on. Right. For all I knew, they were shutting down the journalist reporting on everything. It turns out they were targeting certain journalists that supported the Muslim Brotherhood. I went down to the lobby, asked some journalists, and they said, don't worry. Everything's cool.

I was like, what's going on? Are they going after journalists? Is there something we got to worry about? And these guys were just like, no, no, no, no. They're going after pro-Muslim Brotherhood networks and stuff. And I'm like, still kind of messed up. They're doing this. But we should be good, right?

And they're like, yes. And then when the APCs rolled in i called up the crew and i was like i think it's time to go to the airport we leave to go to the airport and i'm like i'm getting that relieved feeling and then they announced the bridges get shut down like we would have been stuck inside there the crazy thing i'll tell you man when i was in venezuela i was uh we get back to the hotel we weren't there for like you know the protests were going on and we're going around uh talking to people it's we're in caracas and it's one of the it's the murder capital of the

world and uh we get back we go to the hotel i go take a shower i come back to twitter and i have like 10 000 mentions my twitter is blowing up at this point when i was working i had like 30 000 followers so i'm like how do i have 10 000 mentions And it was a ton of threats, insults, some death threats. And so that's what happens again, right? That feeling. And so my immediate reaction is, what do we do? And they said, don't leave right now. It's dark out.

It's dangerous. Wait for the crack of dawn. Get in the car. Get to the airport and get out. What happened was this pundit on TV had gotten some tweets from some American leftists who were saying I was working for the CIA. And so he ran with it. And he called me a mercenary from the media who was in Ukraine and all this stuff. And so my main point is, you know, I get that feeling and I say, OK, be calm.

What's our plan? We're getting in the car. We're going to the airport and we're getting out. We get I get in the plane and I remember taking off. And as soon as the wheels left the ground, the feeling lifts. And I'm like, I'm officially in the air. I hope they don't turn the plane around. And some crazy stuff happened afterwards.

But at Vice, there was an intern who was Venezuelan. And he runs up to me immediately and says, how did you get out of the country? And I was like, I got on a plane. And he was like, you're lucky, bro. If you had stayed a little bit longer, you probably would have been flagged and blocked. Because they arrest people for way less than what they accused you of long story short there's no getting on a plane and leaving right now this stuff's all going down and you know all day today i'm looking at twitter and i'm looking at the media and i'm seeing

pundits leftists democrats and they're saying we need more authority. We need more powers. We need retribution. We need reconciliation. Saw that tweet from David Cross where he said, F that I want blood. Did you see that? Maybe he was trying to be funny because Joe Biden called for unity. It doesn't matter if he's trying to be funny or not, because we've seen too much violence. An Antifa guy shot and killed a dude in Portland, a Trump supporter. And so people are they're not even on edge anymore.

We're off. We're falling, right? And then you see something like that. Was that Twitter removed? Was he banned? I don't know. I don't think so. But it's not a joke.

It's not at all. There's no plane to get on to get out of here. We're in it. And then even after the election results, CNN came out and made like an hour special where they compared the whole Trump movement to Nazi Germany. So it's just like. What? Yeah. It's like having these things play out in mass media, I think, is fueling, keeps fueling the division.

And we are so far apart from each other. And then, you know, for me growing up in California, it's just like now I understand, you know, people in California don't even understand like the problems of like someone in middle America and like Michigan and Ohio. You know, for someone in California, they think, you know, if you vote for Trump, you're this crazy, you know, racist person. And then, you know, you could go to somewhere like Detroit and say, hey, what's the reason why you voted for Trump? And they'll tell you, well, I had a great job in the automobile industry. But then the NAFTA deal came. Now my job shift. Now I can't feed my family. Now my kids are on opioids. Now I have a great job in the automobile industry, but then the NAFTA deal came. Now my job's shipped. Now I can't feed my family.

Now my kids are on opioids. Now I have a divorce. My kids are on drugs. You know, no one speaks to me in Washington. So it's just like, I don't, you know, how do we get back where we could just have regular Americans back at the table talking about these issues? But I think media right now is just playing a huge role in the division, division. And it's from both sides, not just from one side. It's from both sides. I mean, that was what happened after Kenosha, which is like one side of the media basically was telling a different story than the other.

And me being the witness caught in the middle, it was incredibly infuriating to see one side not want to hear what you had to say, what you saw. Not like your opinion on the thing, what what you saw because they had some political opinion on it you know i remember when that was happening and i remember saying there's no going back from this once you have mainline media institutions excusing violence for political means there's no way you could put that big i can't curse here uh big genie back into the lamp you can't um the genie's out and uh it's being vigorously rubbed by all the special interests that are benefiting off of this larger divide and conquer agenda and these people fighting each other and sadly i mean when you're when you i think one of the issues that led to this is the censorship.

More censorship is going to create more problems, more disenfranchised people, more people not being able to talk out ideas. But they're going to go to the extreme because they can't resolve it with proper communication. That's one of the most important things that I think we should also talk about. And also the copycat effect, which I want to talk about in just a little bit. But you have a point. No, we got some big news. Actually, this news is from yesterday. Heidi Hatch from KUTV's confirmed a Utah man involved in the protests.

This, uh, uh, of all the protests in Utah this spring was in DC and stormed the Capitol amid violent protests. It's a man named John Sullivan, and he was arrested as a member of Black Lives Matter during the riots in spring. And apparently he claims he was there just to document, but he was there as the woman was shot. So it looks like we do have confirmation of leftists, part of the protests that stormed the Capitol building. I brought this up. As a lot of people are saying, like Matt Gaetz said, there's a facial recognition company that found Antifa or something. I don't think that's true. I think they denied that. I don't know where he got the information from. But a lot of people are saying, like Matt Gaetz said, there's a facial recognition company that found Antifa or something. I don't think that's true. I think they denied that. I don't know where he got the information from.

But a lot of people are saying this was Antifa who did this. Well, there's not a whole lot of evidence, but we do have a guy now. We have him. This is what I was wondering. We were asking some questions the other day. Antifa always counter protests. They always show up. They announced they were going to show up.

Where were they this time? And so I said this a few days before. Now that the proud boys and trump supporters are mad at cops what happens when antifa says okay and then and they don't okay my enemy of my enemy is my friend i guess is that is it possible that some of these people at least well we got this from heidi hatch of kutv i believe she's of kutv yes kutv news confirming this guy that he's listed as an organizer of a ofvo protest, arrested, accused of rioting and making threats. And they even say in the KUTV story or the woman, she says he does not align with Donald Trump politically.

So we have leftists that were inside the Capitol. At least we can say that much. I don't know what that means moving forward. And that's what I think. I always just say the term protesters i mean i know people always get mad oh it's a riot or it's this or it's that i mean i just think that's a generic term as opposed to saying antifa blm rioters you don't know just because they're wearing all black you know they could have come out there with good intentions they're just a mom who you know wanted to you know her kid got beat up by the police.

So you don't know just because they're wearing black or just because they're wearing a red hat. Oh, okay. Yeah, you support all the president's policies. I don't care for the tribalism. That dude in all black showed up that was an auto zone or whatever in Minneapolis and was smashing things out. Immediately they said, this guy is far right. Like the left knew. Or a cop. Or a cop or a cop right

now we have the exact same thing when this goes down they're saying it was antifa who did this and it's like there may be we've got this we got this guy right so this was from yesterday they're saying they confirmed it but come on man there were people wearing trump hats we'll get we'll get a lot more information as we see who does get arrested because they do have facial recognition in there inside the Capitol. I don't know about monitoring a TIFA. Well, we have a whole track, trace, and database society with the NSA and FBI pretty much knowing everything about everyone through their cell phone. They could easily geolocate everyone. They don't need to put out these notifications like the FBI in the USA Today, they released saying, if you

have any information, notify us, send us all your photos, send us all your tips, send us all the information. We're going to go after everyone that was inside of there. And again, we also another important element to kind of really think about here from my experience covering events. Mob mentality is also something that people really need to consider because yes yep there are some bad bad actors but there's also some people just caught up in the crowd there's one famous photo i just sent it to you lydia of this like older lady with her juice box literally just kind of like

not knowing where she is inside of the capital and uh you know she was literally getting like walked down the steps by by capital police yeah Mike Cernovich had an interesting kind of comment about this. Let me try to find it here because. What was he talking about? He said, let's just say this is after Donald Trump's announcement. He said, let's just say that the Trump campaign will not be creating a bail fund for his supporters. Lots of innocent people going to get caught up. I feel deep sadness for them.

Some bad guys, sure. But droves people going to get caught up. I feel deep sadness for them. Some bad guys, sure, but droves always find themselves in the nest. This is a really common tactic we see among left-wing organizers. First thing I'll say is I'm not saying this as an attack outright on the left. I'm just pointing out

the right is not organized. They're not. There's no, like, there's very little organization on the right. They don't go out in big marches. It was not organized. This whole thing was poorly organized. No not there's no like there's there's very little organization on the right they don't go out it was not organized this whole thing was poorly organized i heard no bail support no masks no plans no strategy but among the left what they do is they know who their marks are it's like body filler essentially they need a certain number of bodies as cover and they want regular people to get arrested so what we've seen in the past is you'll get like 10 extremist activists or extremists, and they'll set up an event that's palatable to a thousand regular people who want to wave

little flags and say, you know, save the environment. Once they get that march going, they use that as cover to go and do some kind of action that results in a mass arrest. That way, when these hundred or thousand regular people are confused and getting arrested, you get a bunch of press. They want that to happen. Imagine if 10 people stormed the Capitol, just 10. People would be like, oh, 10 people went in, I guess, whatever. Were they arrested? Yeah, I guess. You know, it would've been really easy for the cops to handle it. So they they need bodies unsuspecting doting

you know individuals who have no idea what's going on who see an open door and walk in confused bewildered and then the people who are pushing for this who want it to happen can get away with it and it's and i'm not saying that it was on purpose here i'm just saying what you end up seeing is often unsuspecting and bewildered people it's a very real psychological phenomenon of like a mob mentality yeah if a couple people do it that's all it takes and i mean across the country you could even see from the footage too because right when folks are in there they're just like like richie said they were taking selfies smoking pot so even for them they were more shocked that they were even in there they were just kind of taking it in they didn't know whether there was you know

staging a sit-in or youying the Capitol building for several hours. They didn't even know. I was watching that. A bunch of streamers just having fun, smoking pot. It was kind of like, that's what I'm saying. If that's Antifa, then, I mean, yeah. I mean, wow. Yeah, I don't think any Antifa is going to dress

as undercover Trump supporters. They didn't want to go to jail for 10 years to smoke a joint inside a Capitol under a law that Trump put in place. Yeah. The idea that Antifa would take their mask off, put on a MAGA hat, take their mask off, put on a MAGA hat, and then walk in and be like, I'm actually a Trump supporter. Here's my face. Like, they wouldn't do that. But there were a lot of people wearing masks. I saw some of these people, and I thought to myself, Trump supporters don't go around wearing masks like that.

I've been to so many different Trump rallies. You've got troublemakers that are not left wing, but there's also Boogaloo Boy types. They wear masks. So we don't necessarily know who these people were. Again, we do know one of these guys was a BLM activist from Utah who was there at the Capitol. Not surprised. We've seen those videos of Black Lives Matter and Boogaloo Boys shaking hands. You see that one? Yeah. The Antifa guy's like,

you stood here with us today, so we thank you. And then the Boogaloo Boy says something like, hey, man, we agree the government's bad. And they're like, all right. Well, they agree. So they like to claim that Boogaloo Boys are somehow the same as Trump supporters. It's just not true. It's not true. Trump supporters are very much like liberals, you know, and not politically, of course, but in the sense that they like the country to a certain degree, you know, like they're okay with how this country functions. They're okay with, it's basically like reform versus revolution. You've got extremists on both sides who want dramatic change overhauling revolution. And then you've got the regular left and right-wing individuals i think the problem is the left in this country has moved so far left

but also gains has so much control now of institutions that regular trump supporters who probably would be satisfied with winning an election are now feeling just totally cut out period and so you then start seeing you know i think they're going to take advantage of that. That anger they have now will be used by more extremist types, including Antifa, who was clearly there was a dude there from BLM. Well, and we saw what happened in the first the very first rally. Basically, there were tons of footage of people in red hats walking through BLM Plaza. Similar situation. Didn't realize what they were walking themselves into with all like a mass of blm folks in the plaza getting their butts beat

and then the next time around the proud boys say not this time and they all travel from around the country by literally the thousands and show up ready to roll and that time i mean i think there was a lot more of the aggression coming from the proud boys we got we've got some huge news betsy devos has resigned writing writing in a letter to the president, there is a quote, there is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation. And it is the inflection point for me. She was a staunch reporter, too. Staunch supporter. And not only that, but she was, you know, a lot of, you know, we have Jack Murphy on the show and he talks about Democrat to deplorable.

He wrote this book. He interviewed a lot of people. And one of the big issues was Title IX, right? Reform from these colleges, making sure due process was standing and these critical race theories being challenged. And she was very much doing that. That's what, you know, Trump brought her in for. For some of the, one of the reasons, at least. Now she's out. I tell you, man, what happened at that Capitol? You know, you know what, man? Look, there are a lot of people that don't want to listen to me. The left doesn't want to listen to me for sure.

And many of them, staunchest Trump supporters, don't want to hear it. But when Lin Wood snapped off, I said, this is bad. When Sidney Powell snapped off, this is bad. Tucker Carlson said, I called Sidney and said, where's the evidence? And she didn't give us any. And what happened? His ratings got cut in half. If you listened to Tucker, Trump would be in a better position right now.

When I said Lin Wood is tweeting like crazy and is one of the most destructive things for the president, I had a bunch of just like ardent Trump supporting people say you're wrong. He knows what he's talking about. Like, no, dude, whether that's true or not doesn't matter. OK, fine. I think it I think he's he's he's off. I think he's gone nuts. I don't know what's going on with him, but he's delegitimizing the president. And so when all this goes down, you need to understand the impact that going to that Capitol had.

It scared people. Nobody wants to be. It's just what do you accomplish? Exactly. I don't see what goal you would have where that's a good way to get there. People thought that I guess there's that video of that woman and she's crying and she's like, I way to get there. People thought that, I guess, you know, uh, there's that video of that woman and she's crying and she's like, I went in and they amazed to me.

And they're like, why did you go in? And she goes, we're storming the Capitol. It's a revolution. Like, what do you mean a revolution? You,

a bunch of random people walking into the Capitol building is a revolution. Like, um, that's not, you know, it's not, what's kind of the saddest thing too, that we should just take away is,

you know, Ashley, the, the air Force veteran who died. I mean, she served our country. She served in wars only to die in the U.S. Capitol building. I mean, it's just a disgrace. The people in this country are getting really mad. And, you know, I'm hearing people say that it's a reminder to, know the republican party or whatever that the you know we're we're here and we're loud or whatever and i'm like the republican party just like does what

the democrats want them to do for the most part they they feign objection they feign you know oh we're gonna fight back and then they obstruct and then nothing really happens like lindsey graham coming out and saying like oh that's it for me i'm like oh come on like as if you were really ever doing anything for anybody come on on. These politicians win because people go and vote for R or D, not a person, you know? So what I've been warning for some time is you got a lot of angry people in this country for a lot of reasons. Before Trump, it was the loss of manufacturing jobs and the collapse of these small towns and the opioid crisis. And Trump was addressing that in many different ways.

Whether he solved those problems, another question. Now, with the COVID lockdown, a lot of this is being revived and people are angry. And they're especially mad now that the president they supported after 74 million votes loses. But they're particularly mad that there's a bunch of signed, sworn affidavits of impropriety and it should be adjudicated. And there's weird mathematical anomalies and questions that want to be raised. All of these things need to be presented. Now, here's the thing. They talk about in the media, oh, it went to court.

These things were in court and they were all shot down by the judges. Well, not on the merits, right? On procedure. Here's the problem. You actually had advocates in the senate they called them the dirty dozen because the media was insulting them the republicans who said we are going to go through the evidence it was your chance to have the evidence presented in the joint session exactly and what happened they broke the doors in they evacuated and that was it that's

what makes zero sense it It makes no sense. They were supposed to have their time for the whole country to be watching. The TV was on. We were all watching this. CNN was on and they were counting the votes and they were playing what the Republicans had to say. And I was like, this is it. The chance for the American people to hear the argument. And then they evacuated, shut it down.

And that was it. And then nobody was watching. And I was really interested on what Josh Hawley was going to come out and say. Because I was actually shocked that he came out and was like, I'm going to eject. So I'm like, okay, this is one of the more rising stars of the Republican Party. He's come out and just set himself as a populist. He also kind of set himself apart by working with Bernie Sanders on the 2K stimulus check. But once he came out and said, okay, this is going to get interesting,

Ted Cruz followed then. But like you said, everyone is now jumping ship. Lothar ended up rescinding her objection as well. And it's going all downhill real, real fast for the Trump administration. What's the reconciliation, though? Is there just none? Oh, well, I mean, you got like Ted Cruz saying, let's put the anger aside and come together. But they don't want it.

CNN clearly doesn't want it. AOC doesn't want it. Cenk Uygur doesn't want it. They don't want it. They do not want peace. And so the problem is what they don't realize or they do. I don't know when they point to like this QAnon Viking guy. This is not the majority of Americans, let alone Trump's base or the republican party it's just there are fringe people uh you know i really don't like it when the conservatives say that antifa is the democratic party and i'm like come on agreed exactly joe biden exactly but they do think it's easier to overthrow a feeble old man than a fascist that's what they've been saying on social media but they don't like joe biden and so i've even been saying like now antifa and the trump supporters are against the establishment right but when you get the you get the high profile leftists claiming that every person who

voted for Trump is like a QAnon person, and that's what they do. You're creating very serious problems. And so they're like, we don't want to unify with these Q crazy people. And it's like, okay, what about like the middle aged suburban housewife who isn't all that political and just vote a Republican for the sake of Republican. You're going to accuse her of being a cultist? Are you going to blanket everybody in the same group? Well, apparently, that's why they don't want to unify. They don't want to be – we can't associate with them.

They have a hyper-polarized view of the other. And that's all we get in media all day every day is the other is bad, the other is bad. And I think the one thing that's unique there as well just in terms of the way that one side is viewed from the other i i don't think that i think that the right might often say in media you know that the left is acting in bad faith but they'll never really like say you're ignorant or you're stupid or you're somehow sub smart enough to stand on the same plane as me but having worked at nbc and then worked at the daily caller and for mark levin i mean that's a very real thing and i think it's really really really really hard

until you're on that side and you experience it we've got some uh partially breaking news from the past hour shamari stone of nbc says breaking i'm outside the u.s capital a police officer just walked by with a flashlight shined it in our parked suv and other parked cars many officers holding assault rifles run down constitution avenue an officer just told me you might want to clear the area now i'm going to issue a correction for shamari i don't believe they they use assault rifles do they or actually they're police they might actually have selective selective fire on these things right yeah they have fully auto usually so there are assault rifles absolutely okay so it depends on the cop but but if you have attack police that are have fully auto usually. So there are assault rifles. Absolutely. Okay, so... It depends on the cop, but they have attack police

that are, yeah. With full auto. So these are actual assault rifles. Okay, so that's my bet. He says, again, a U.S. Capitol police officer just told me, sir, this is an emergency situation.

Clear the area. Police hold assault rifles and search cars. Well, I want to just mention too, Tim, before me and Richie got over here, one of our reporters for the Daily Caller was actually shooting some B-roll at the Capitol, and he let us know after 40 minutes that he was on the ground that he was cleared away from the Capitol

because they were searching for, I believe, a second bomb. Right, Rich? Oh. Just right now. Right now tonight. Yeah. This is earlier today. This is at-

Yeah, a few hours ago. Maybe 3 p.m. Yeah. Wow. So that was- Yeah. I forgot to mention that as soon as we got on the show, but yeah, that happened earlier today. We had a Daily Caller reporter on the ground there. Well, I don't know what's going on now. Something's happening. I can to mention that as soon as we got on the show. But yeah, that happened earlier today.

We had a Daily Caller reporter on the ground there. Well, I don't know what's going on now. Something's happening. I can't really find anything, but we'll keep looking. Yeah, we'll just keep an eye on it, yeah. This is becoming the breaking news show, Tim. Yeah, I know, right? Well, it happens.

It happens. Well, that's good. That's good. It's important to cover these events. Now, another thing I wanted to add on your comments about the fringe, Tim, is that the fringe is only going to grow because of censorship. More censorship, more people will go on the fringe, Tim, is that the fringe is only going to grow because of censorship. More censorship, more people will go on the fringe. And the mainstream media now saying, we need to ban them more, we need to censor them more, is going to have the opposite effect. People

need to realize that. And another thing to really consider here is the copycat effect, because we were just talking about mob mentality. I think this is also something important to consider, especially how the media, many times, helps kind of spur on mayhem, especially with their coverage of mass shooting events. And this has been criticized many times through many scientific studies showing how highlighting and glorifying a shooter

during a big national event only creates copycat shooters. The mainstream media knows about this. The scientists know about this. Anyone paying attention knows about this. But yet, if we want to reduce harm, you're not going to create more fringe people. You're going to actually address real issues like the copycat effect that no one really wants to even have a legitimate conversation about, that legitimately causes pain and suffering. You know what's really funny is Andrew Yang had some tweets

where he said that media polarization is causing this problem. He talks about the issues that have led to the hyperpolarization. And then he says partisan media, and then he puts in parentheses Fox. And a lot of people were like, why did you need to do that? You should not have done that. He's right i think fox plays into it i think cnn plays into it i think msnbc plays into it there's just you know 10 10 news outlets for every one fox you know exactly but regardless when you get that it

creates a problem i've even self-reflected on my own content where i'm often critical the democrats and i'll say it right now i can sit here and say oh the tribalism is all bad and i'm heavily criticizing aoc how do you get past i don't think it's possible if ted cruz says we need peace i say thank you ted cruz when aoc says no peace expulsion i say okay that's a problem that's exactly my point which is that if you wanted to have somebody on this show uh who was you know left of center it would be much harder than i presume and and that is exactly what i'm talking about which is he's beneath me because he thinks this you know because whatever

he's not establishment legacy whatever he doesn't work for the new york times it's just absolutism it's authoritarianism pushing pushing the humanism and the algorithm also specifically on twitter promotes it whenever you dunk on somebody or insult someone, the algorithm is done in a way where more people see that particular post, more people engage in that particular post, and you're seeing more followers, more likes, more hearts, especially the more divisive you are. And we have to also, I mean, legitimately point the finger

at big tech social media companies that have been benefiting off of this tribalism warfare that they've been breeding they are partially responsible for it and there's a lot of people talking about all these conspiracies but this is something legitimately that we should worry about that we should consider on on a big level because these are the ingredients that created this situation these ingredients are only being added they They're not being subtracted. This big pile of crap, family friendly show here, but this big stinking peanut filled piece of crap is there because of specific ingredients that are in there that could be addressed, but they're not.

Even simple conversations about them are censored online. And again, we're never going to deal with it if we don't have free speech. It's for mark zuckerberg to ban trump and then say oh it's for your own good when in reality he's just saying i'm more scared of the left than the right so one of the biggest you look at the things that led to trump's victory you look at the things now that are leading to the anger and one of which has been censorship for some time, people not being allowed to have a voice. When you take away people's even ability to argue with you, well, then they snap and they get angry. And so that was a driving factor. And Facebook and Twitter and YouTube and Twitch and Snapchat, all these different platforms are like, let's spray down the, you know, we got this big old pile of crap. As Luke said,

they opened up a sewer line. Like, let's, don't worry, we got, we got this big old pile of crap. As Luke said, they opened up a sewer line. Like let's, don't worry, we're solving it. We're cleaning it up. And you're like, dude, you're just filling it up with, you're filling it up, man. Yeah. It's not going to work. I think this is a recipe for disaster because if you're going to censor Trump and his supporters in the next four years, we're just going to get a Trump or Trump.

If you don't make sense, we're going to get someone even if, if the left thought Trump was crazy, we're going to get someone even if if they left that trump was crazy we're gonna get someone even way more more radical my my biggest thing i actually wanted to ask you guys now that we're all here is do you think that the media just pays attention and gives too much story to these fringe actors and the reason i would say that um tim because last time i was on here it was i believe we just came off one of the presidential debates and we were even talking about in the show we were like we were like why would they even mention the proud boys we have people like are dying in this pandemic we're you know we're giving them too much attention and like i said on the left media it seems like any anytime we have uh you know anything uh regarding the right wing stuff

their proud boys are the easy scapegoat but then same thing on the right is anything any violence breaks out antifa's a scapegoat. This is the interesting thing to me when it comes to news and conflict and crisis. You have the left, which has full control of cultural institutions, complaining about fringe groups of a couple thousand people as if it's the end of the world. And I'm just like sitting here like, well, I mean, the billions of dollars in damage and destruction and, you know, havoc that was reaped upon regular people came from the left. The Proud Boys, sure, you can criticize them, but why are these massive cultural institutions ignoring this? You know what I mean? Why?

I guess the way I'm putting it, I'm trying to, I look at it as, should I really be concerned about a group of a few thousand people who, you know, talk smack on the internet and go around and march and get drunk and then sometimes fight Antifa? Or should I be worried about the thousands of people that are being praised by mainstream media who are being propped up by leftists and they're comparing them to the soldiers storming the beaches of Normandy? That's scary to me. They ignore it. It's not a left or right issue.

It's, I guess, the left likes their insurgents. Well, it's not a left or right issue it's i guess the left likes their well it's the same thing as um with the with the blm movement you know it's it's okay if we want to get to the root of the problem and we and we think that black lives matter then all suffering as as a result of any violence should be something that's deemed as bad right and so it's the same thing it's like instead of addressing the full problem you just choose this scapegoat that's really easy oh police you know okay it's all police all cops are bastards that's easy easy enemy this is why you know they'll lump anybody who disagrees with them as in right wing they'll say they're all right wing or they're conservative or far right i think it was i think the young turks called me right wing which is hilarious

i i i disagree with you on why when you support violence, so I'm right-wing. I actually agree with them on a lot of domestic policy and economic policy. So right-wing and left-wing are completely meaningless. But this is it for me. I'm not a right-wing person. I've actually had people DMing me, and they're like, I can see the leftists, and I talk about economic policy and stuff like that especially. My issue is when I take an objective look at the media and what's going on come on it's obvious when they went out and they marched in the thousands and then it was i think it was university of colorado said

black lives matter protests actually slowed the spread of covid it's like are you kidding me dude come on any sane rational person see that's that's ridiculous but they all had masks on even though there were like 10 000 of them crammed into a space. Well, no, like at these big protests, they weren't wearing masks. They weren't wearing masks. It's impossible. You can't get COVID with a mask on. No, no, but look.

When that was going on earlier in the year, they weren't wearing masks. Yeah. Then later on, they started saying wear masks. But then we saw them celebrate Biden, take the mask off, drink champagne. So they're calling everyone right wing. But what you're really getting is regular people who just see how absurd the news has become and they're just like okay that's fake and they say well then you must be right wing that's exactly where i fall i voted for obama twice but now all of a sudden you know you tell

the truth and you're you're right wing interestingly you know i'll mention this too you guys were both in kenosha as well yeah yeah correct you guys are you guys are like some of the most consequential journalists having been on the ground at some of the biggest moments of this past year yeah it feels weird just uh where's your pulitzer huh vince but i i i'm not not i'm not i'm not sitting here and being like you guys get an award no like but seriously of of the journalists we've seen what do we get the pulitzers go to the people who just rag on Trump. Cuomo, listen. Cuomo deserved that. He deserved it. The Emmy. He got the Emmy.

I mean, whatever. Oh, yeah. Oh, you see, yeah. Cuomo gets the Emmy. He got a shiny thing. Yeah, he gets the Emmy and he's like writing a book and he's a New York Times bestseller for handling the crisis. It's insane.

But yeah, I mean, it's just been in an insane journey, just kind of been able to be documenting on the front lines of a lot of these kind of historic moments. And I mean, it all really kicked off, you know, that George Floyd, I believe it was May, May 28. Yeah. The footage gets released and the whole world, you know, just turn turn upside down. I do want to mention it looks like K-Ron 4 has removed the article about the officer dying. What? Yeah, it's gone.

So the article that we had pulled up, you can see, if you pull it up, the URL says, U.S. Capitol Police Officer Dies After Violent Protests Bringing Death Toll To Five, is the URL. And now it says, the page you are looking for cannot be found. Maybe he didn't die. I kept seeing that. The media posted fake news, and we all fell for it. But I'll tell you something.

I think that that guy is injured, though. Yeah. The guy got hit. And i think he's in very critical condition so if matt gates comes out and says you know oh look antifa was actually down there they boo him they say it's fake news all that let's come out and say it's fake news okay i won't use it now we actually have a reporter from kutv saying here's a blm leftist who was actually storming the capitol it's like oh okay so so there it's there's some truth to this the The mainstream media can put out this big story. We're told we have to accept them as being right, and here we are in real time. They were wrong.

We opened this show with this big news of an officer dying because we trusted the mainstream media. So how do we navigate this? Well, I think that what we were talking about earlier about basically being able to scapegoat that kind of smaller group that's easier to put in a box.

That's what happened after this. Nobody wants to address the fact that these people, regardless of who they were, are angry about the results of the election. So those people that we saw battling cops, was every single one Antifa? I literally saw hundreds of people battling with cops calling them all q and q and on supporters is just ridiculous it's completely insane and and that that takes away the real reasons why they're mad which is they've been locked down for six months and then they feel that the election was taken from what if the reality is just that it was predominantly trump supporters but there's probably a decent you know spattering of leftists who joined in because they just don't like the

government what if what we're actually going to start seeing is general populist revolt you know it doesn't matter if you're right or left clearly this guy who stormed the capitol building this blm guy it's not a right winger what was he doing there why and why wasn't he fighting with the right he was actually along with him it's capitalizing on the chaos just like the looters you know but i think they're not protesting anything they just want to get a free tv i think it might become outright establishment you know versus outsider populist regardless of left or right i mean we were talking about this just a few weeks ago on this show we were telling you there's a big political realignment a lot of people on the

right are being disenfranchised with the back of the blue crowd. The back of the blue crowd is becoming less and less significant. More people are being disenfranchised. What's going to happen when, again, these ingredients that we were talking about that led to this, they're not being subsided. They're being added upon. And then what's going to happen moving forward when the conditions get worse? The economic conditions are bound to get worse. The economic conditions are bound to get worse.

The lockdown conditions are bound to get worse. The restrictiveness when it comes to people's freedoms and liberties are bound to get worse. What happens when you keep pressuring more and more on a public? And again, it's so frustrating because for years, I've been calling it out. For years, I've been seeing it. And everyone's like, oh, you're crazy. You're just hyperbolic. And I'm like, no, you guys don't understand the larger ramifications from what I've seen

in my foreign reporting to what happened to other countries. That same thing is happening here. And again, it's just absolutely insane to see it happen in our backyard. Also, very interestingly, the president of the Chicago Police Union actually came out with a statement pretty much going against all the other establishment kind of thinking around this. And he said that there was, quote, this is according to him, there was no arson, there was no burning of anything, there was no looting, there was very little destruction of property. There was a bunch of pissed off people that feel an election was stolen somehow, some way. That's the official quote from the Chicago. There was looting, though.

Yes, there was. There's pictures of guys actually stealing the podium. Do you see the joke, though, where it's like the guy decided to finally take a stand? Took a political stand. Yes. Literally and figuratively. But yet again, the thing we have to realize here, all the things that made this happen, they're still there. They're only going to get worse. And I think it is worth noting that while a couple of podiums were taken, at least that I saw or what I've seen reported, none of those precious works of art were intentionally

vandalized. It's just recklessness. They were walking around the red rope, which is so fascinating. People are like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. They just stormed the Senate building, but they're walking. Wasn't it Norman Connell who said that or whatever?

I don't know if it was. There's a meme. People are saying, I'm just fascinated with these people who stormed this building and they're walking in line. Carefully, yeah. Somebody tweeted,

I love when our insurrectionist rioters carefully walk around the velvet rope. It was weird. It was weird. It was weird. I think you see some of these videos and there were enough reckless, rambunctious individuals, but a decent amount of bumbling, bewildered individuals. I want to ask you if – oh, I didn't mean to cut you off. I was going to say there's rumors, I guess, that people are taking hard drives out of computers or something. I don't know if it's true or not.

I've seen the one where it was the guy who posted up in Nancy Pelosi's office and he has an American flag. Then there's another footage of he's outside and he has her mail. That's ridiculous. He's like, I have Nancy Pelosi's mail. That guy's going to prison.

But I was going to ask, do you think we see something similar? Maybe not the biggest, the same crowd, but something similar on January 20th on Inauguration Day? Where? The National Guard

is being, they're being kept deployed for the next 30 days or whatever. I mean, there's a curfew for the next 15 days in Washington, D.C. 6 p.m.?

Wow, man. Now is a good time to leave town. I'm very upset because after 6 p.m., you can't get Uber Eats, so I can't get my McDonald's. Oh, man.

I got Uber Eats last night. I got Uber Eats last night. Oh, snap, really? I got Uber Eats last night I got Uber Eats last night I couldn't get it it came from Virginia you gotta order from the right place they said essential workers and delivery

and stuff like that are okay I couldn't get it on my app it's a reduced you know what I love more than anything the media exemptions

how crazy like these journalists get to like walk around do whatever they want as long as you're your press card and you can just be like I'm media

well kind of until you get beat up by a cop they do a curfew when you're walking around and a cop sees you as long as you're pressed hard and you can just be like, I'm media. Well, kind of until you get beat up by a cop. Yeah. They do a curfew when you're walking around and a cop sees you back, press,

we're covering everything. We're here to report on what a good job you guys have done keeping everything safe and secure and so we wanted to come out and just get some footage from our phone

of showing you guys how everything's safe. So thank you, officer. And you just keep walking. That's what I tried to do but all I could get in was, these are my credentials. Yes, sir.

Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. It can go either way. I'm talking about it's 8 p.m., the streets are empty, and you as a journalist are like, I'm going to go out and grab some food. And so you walk outside and you're walking down the street. You're going to get your crispy Popeye's chicken sandwich everybody loves. And there's a cop, and he's like, hey, it's curfew. And you go, actually, I'm a journalist.

Here's my card. And they go, have a nice day. And they walk away. Privilege. That's privilege. Well, everyone else is locked curfew. And you go, actually, I'm a journalist. Here's my card. And they go, have a nice day. And they walk away. Privilege. That's privilege. Well, everyone else is locked in their house. They can't leave. Journalists are exempt.

But then you're, I mean, really what you're doing is you're being a piece of crap because you're abusing your privilege. Yeah. What else is new? So just like, but there's no real like rules that can keep a crappy person from taking advantage of stuff.

Right, right, right. I mean, in New York City, I used my press card to go to gala dinners because I was hungry sometimes. You're a bad journalist. Hey, it happened. I admit it. It wasn't ethical.

There's the inverse. One time, Luke used a Huffington Post lunch card as a press pass, and it worked. It was amazing. Well, it said Huffington Post on it, so that makes sense. And it said luncheon on it, and it didn't even say press, and I used it to sneak into events. And then we trained someone.

Hold on, this is funny. This is insane. We went to an event, and we knew people at Huffington Post. They gave us these cards where it was like luncheon, and you got to in and like grab a sandwich and grab a drink but luke kept his and there was a point where like someone said where's your press card and he just has this big ridiculous looking thing says huffington post luncheon and the guy's like oh thank you because they know what huffington post was they were like that must be it but you didn't you didn't the thing is you didn't tell them to look at it no you know no this is the thing you don't even have to say anything it's just all about your confidence and your aura it's just like well what happened was you had a bunch of press cards on one

lanyard yep and so the guy just took the biggest one and looked at huffington post and assumed like it must be good to me and luke's like i don't know whatever yeah i'm saying there's lunch on it what are you doing that's what i when i interviewed ariana huffington and she wanted me to work for the huffington post but after i interviewed her she was very very disappointed and very shocked to learn the questions that i threw at her about to learn that honest media to learn that you had been using her lunch card yeah i mean i mean there's a ton of stories that we could share also does anyone else find it weird that the establishment went from you know defund the police to we need more police. We need more arrests in just a matter of seconds when it would fit in their narrative.

I mean, can anyone just call that out as being how perfect? Nope. I just got censored. How perfect was it that for a year they're saying defund the police and the democrats defend it saying it just means reallocate funds and then as soon as biden wins they're like we need police where the place and the left is in agreement surprise and there's no pushback and there's no voices dissenting there's no people saying hey hey what about what we were campaigning for what about what we were fighting for what about all the protests that we had about this very specific issue and now we're pro-police state because it fits us because we're in power and they're going to be

using that power and the inverse is true as well that it's funny that all of a sudden trump supporters are like oh these cops i'm so mad well they're burning the back the blue flag so that's also another huge kind of you know political transformation that's worth noting because there's going to be disenfranchised leftists who are still going to be on that messaging, who are still going to believe in defunding that police that are going to be looking at them in a favorable way. He's just, he's not defund, Biden's not defunding the police. He's just funding a bunch of armed social workers to enforce lockdowns.

Well, someone, someone tweeted something really hilarious about what went down. I think I retweeted it. They said in response, they were, they were like, after watching what went down in the Capitol, it's more obvious than ever that we need to get rid of all the Capitol police and replace them with social workers. That's a really good point. Great point. Because people are saying the protest was mainly peaceful as well.

Mostly peaceful. I mean, truth be told, it was mostly peaceful. There was no fire. I know. It was mostly peaceful. 300 or so people out of hundreds of thousands went in the building, that's like what 99.9 peaceful i'm not going to play stupid games though the people who stormed the capitol set set the stage and it was dumb and when you get the same thing with antifa and they're burning buildings down look this is what i say

about antifa if you got a bunch of people standing out front of the federal building throwing fireworks and explosives and the peaceful protesters are like well i'm being peaceful but i'm not going to stop him i'm like dude you need to leave or you need to stand up it's day 95 right exactly we know what's going to happen here but i'm being peaceful yeah and you're and the guy's hiding behind you when the cop is looking for who threw it and they don't do anything about it so it's look man i think one of the biggest issues we have as a society is that individual groups don't hold their own accountable. Cops don't want to hold other cops accountable. Protesters don't want to hold other protesters accountable.

They want each other held accountable, but they won't do it themselves. So we've seen more than enough instances where there's like a cop who breaks the law and then his partner lies for him. I've seen it in New York. We saw that story where the cop shoots the guy in the back. This was back in like North Carolina. The guy was like, they're trying to arrest his black dude. He runs away. Cop shoots him.

Then his partner lied for him. So these things happen again. I'm not stupid enough to say all cops. I'm just saying when that happens, you got to be like, he did it. Well, the fourth estate has to be like that. Right. And that's the role of the media. And now the media.

Yeah, they can look out after their own. But as one media, you know, journalists should have the right to free speech and to report on after curfew, etc. But right now we're in a situation where if you're not, if you don't think like me and you're a journalist, then you are the enemy. And so that's the one institution that's supposed to keep the other ones in check. And that's it's not just the enemy. They'll beat the crap out of you. If you report on an event that is happening and you report on it honestly, if someone doesn't like that truth, they'll beat the crap out of you. And in some places, you could even face worse or consequences with governments going after you. And this is the kind of bigger worrying that is in my stomach because just reporting on the truth is detrimental.

And that's the stage that we're in right now. Actually, you are here. Yeah. Luke, you always get these great're in right now. Actually, you are here. Yeah. Well, yeah. Luke, you always get these great shirts. I know. On point, man.

So it's 1984, Brave New World, Brave Red, 451, and it's a Venn diagram. It's a Venn diagram. Collage.

Well, they're not burning books. They're just deleting tweets. Yeah, same thing. Same thing. Digital book prints. But it's true. You got the drugs to keep you happy.

You got the censorship from the government and the big tech. And you've got the... The big police state boot. You are here, right here in the middle. Pretty much. Welcome. A little bit of everything. Sprinkle a little...

What a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. Yeah. This is history, man. This is... Great. Yeah, I know. You know what I think?

I think we all... Many of us... many people are watching i know that you're all between the ages of 25 and 34 that's true uh that's like 30 of the audience and the rest it's typically 18 to 54 there's a big chunk in the middle we grew up in a golden age man where everything was kind of chill i mean we had we had 9-11 we had war everybody got trophies too right exactly it was like we played video games. We live comfortably. I mean, go to another country, and you'll see how comfortable America has it. I mean, a lot of countries.

Isn't that kind of the reason why we're seeing all this, though, on both sides, is that we were kind of the first generation of Americans who were promised more than we would get, and then we're like the kid who doesn't get the cool toy? Yes, maybe. But I think it's really about we're like the kid who doesn't get the not cool toy yes maybe but i think it's really about like we're spoiled rich kids america is like the super spoiled rich kid it's like the the sweet 16 who's like you got me a ferrari i wanted a lamborghini uh-huh that's what that's what i that's what i think i'm like man clean running water some places have laws where they have to give you water if you ask for it like if you're i think in arizona they do that if you walk inside like water they have to give it to you

because it's like you know air and people get dehydrated stuff we got you know the port we have we have uh i'm not saying this to be mean but we have overweight homeless people like something's going on not now admittedly we have a weird imbalance if if we can't get a home to somebody but we can overfeed them so we can figure some of these problems out. But that's saying something because I've been to some countries where you've got homeless starving people. So I think we get a generation, millennials, who have been raised with the utmost comfort and privilege. And they're now being told that they were going to be rock stars and millionaires and celebrities and they're mad. They want more. They want something else. And they don't realize that you can just go do it.

You know, but I think the issue is what do they want? They want everything. They want more. They want more than they have. And, you know, when it comes to the issues of like healthcare, for instance, I'm totally down with, you know, providing a basic level of coverage for all people. Like you break your arm, you go to the doctor, they'll fix your arm. But if you get a more serious illness, we might not have a cure for that. This is what they don't realize. I've had arguments with leftists about universal health care. And I say, how do you deal with like an extremely rare genetic disease where the treatment, the cure exists, but it's a million dollars?

Because this is a real story. It was in Louisiana. The government refused to pay a million dollars for this extremely rare genetic disease treatment. And I'm like, sometimes cures don't exist. And you know, I've heard from a lot of people, they've argued back at me, no, you're wrong. Scarcity is not real. And I'm like, we haven't invented the cures to every, we haven't cured cancer. There's so many cancers we have very little effective treatments for.

But they just believe that you can snap your fingers and give it to somebody. Yeah, it's a technology. Drugs are technologies. And it takes an incredible amount of money to develop them. And so that's, you know, so I feel like there's a lot of people who think we deserve to have healthcare, and I'm like, okay, I agree.

I like the idea. You know, I like the fire department. I like the police departments. They don't like the police departments. I don't know how you solve that problem. You want universal security. Well, then, you know, get it, I guess. But so they want universal healthcare,

and I'm like, how do you deal with the fact that there will always be an issue? I think for the most part, we're struggling to solve in terms of treating human beings. Long story short, we are living safer and healthier, if we choose than ever before. We've we have antiseptics, we have antibiotics, we have tons of antibiotics, we can do organ transplants. Think about someone 100 years ago, they'd stub their toe and get a little cut and go, well, I guess I'm gonna die, antibiotics. We have tons of antibiotics. We can do organ transplants. Think about someone 100 years ago. They'd stub their toe and get a little cut and go, well, I guess I'm going to die. Cut the foot off. And we have all of this wonder and privilege and wealth. It's one of the best times ever. And there are people who are angry and complaining and refuse. And so I think in the

long run, that fighting ultimately leads to them having it worse than ever. Yeah. I mean, historically, we are living in one of the best times in recorded human history, especially when it comes to access to clean drinking water, especially when it comes to access to food, education, quality of life, all those things are skyrocketing up. But when it comes to our mental health, we are declining abruptly in such a scale that it's insurmountable. And the solution by the system is just throw SSRIs. And again, I don't even want to get into that debate, but there is a correlation. It doesn't mean it proves causation, but there is a correlation between the rise of social media and the decline of America's mental health. There's also a lot of fat asses out there. So that complicates the whole medical

debate out there. But again, this is why I've been stressing censorship, social media, the people who have the voices that are've been stressing censorship, social media, the people who have the voices that are influencing us the most, the algorithms, the timelines, the things that you are shoved to be a consumer, the thing that you are groomed to be, the thing that you are programmed by the very special interest to be is something that is detrimental for you. And people need to realize it sooner before later later because this mental health decline is leading to a lot of mentally unstable people and when you have a whole bunch of sick lazy fat incompetent crazy dumb people you're you this is another recipe in that big pile of crap that i

that i keep describing uh and again we could keep throwing it in there, but we could all see it's there and there's no way of cleaning it out. Self-sufficiency, man. And then, Tim, since we're on this subject, I think it's really unique. For me, both of my parents are from El Salvador. We're in the Civil War. So I always actually grew up with my dad just beating into my head of like, we are already so rich.

We're already so lucky to already be in the US. So like, I always grew up with that, like, appreciation for like what we had. So I think that was kind of a unique perspective to grow up with immigrant parents and getting that. And then, you know, my parents were like in the Civil War. So they really made me appreciate everything here. So I think for me, that was like an undercover blessing of like, you know, I never felt like we ever took things for granted. Even now, I'm still like, oh, man, I'm not supposed to be here. I could have been in like an MS-13 right now.

But I mean, I'd be interested to even hear from more kids who are immigrant parents compared to just American kids and how they feel. I could have been in Poland, Slav squatting. And again, you brought up an important thing. I was brought up also by immigrant parents that brought me here to the United States. They were saying the same thing. You don't understand how lucky you have to have so much freedom here. When you were in Poland, it was during the Soviet Union. Yeah. I was born at the decline of the Soviet Union. I was still born into the Soviet Union. And my parents fled. My dad specifically left and said, this is bullcrap. I don't like communism.

I don't want my kid growing up in communism i want the freedom that's portrayed in movies i want to be in the mecca of it i want to be in the center of it he chose new york city and he's having a hard time leaving that place even though i keep telling him i'm like man dude you don't understand like you need to leave that place but he still is envisioned by like this is the country that saved me from communism, that saved me from a totalitarian government that would throw people in jail, torture them or execute them because their political opinions were different than the state. That's something that people don't realize is a huge threat of happening right now in the United States.

And unless we stand up and understand what's happening and actually at least raise our voices, we're screwed. This is our trajectory. This is where we're going. Leftist governments that are left unchecked and have no accountability historically always get completely out of hand. That's the story of Poland. That's the story of the USSR. That's the story of so many people who have suffered tremendously because there was no checks on power there was no accountability there was no one contesting a government and now we're in a position where

again i mean do i even have to point it out what's happening right now with with the corporations the mainstream media and the government all in unison saying more power for us and less for you because we know what's better for you and they don't. And more of your money. But we should go to Super Chats and start taking some questions from the comments. So let's see what everybody has to say. If you haven't already, smash that like button. It really, really does help. Yeah, seriously, give us a good thumbs up and subscribe at the notification bell.

If you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review. And if you're not, make sure you check them out and follow us there too because it really does help. But let's see what we got here. Let's see. Dragon Hunt says, so when is that I'm a gorilla shirt going live? I don't know, but soon. And I believe the graphic is almost done and it's just a gorilla and he's

like, you know, hitting his fist together saying I'm a gorilla and that's it. And that's the joke. And then we have another one says I'm a gorilla. Love yourself. Because we want to be positive, you know, I'm positive yeah yeah valentine's day benjamin says no ian no peace yes ian is no peace no racist ass police he's in the house well there's no cop stopping him from me oh man wait what's well we got to think of a good rhyme for the second verse no federal reserve something about Reserve quantitative ease. Something about...

Quantitative ease. What's that metal that he's obsessed with? Yeah, Bitcoin. Graphene? Graphene. Definitely go check out Ian at Ian Crossland. Yeah, he's chilling. We got another one.

No Ian, no peace. He gets a night off. Yeah, come on, guys. I think by now he probably would have brought the Federal Reserve several times. Can someone super chat the second verse of that for Ian? No Ian, no peace, no quantitative ease. Yeah, there you go. That's pretty good.

I like that. That's what the Federal Reserve does. They put the money. All right, let's see what we got. All right, so this is an interesting question. Crystal Max says, Tim, what in the world is going on in that video of Pence getting a coin and rubbing elbows with Nancy Pelosi? If not today, maybe soon.

Thank you. Huh. So they have these things. I forgot. What are they called? Challenge coins. Challenge coins. That's right.

And in the photo of Nancy Pelosi's office, you can actually see she has a rack of them. Challenge coins. They're just commemorative coins made by groups that commemorate them. So I think someone gave me a Donald Trump challenge coin. Yeah. Law enforcement has a lot of them. Yeah. Aren't they just like trinkets? Yeah got an air force one one from a journalist so basically

it's like a little coin and it'll say like air force i'll be eagle on it and they're and it'll say like you know usaf or whatever one i got was like donald trump and it said inauguration of the president 45 2017 or whatever and it was like a picture of the american flag on it or something that's all it is i i'm pretty sure. Have you seen the video of Pence? He shakes someone's hand, and then he looks in his hand. He's got a coin, and then he puts it in his pocket, and he smiles and nods. It's probably just a challenge coin.

Maybe it's like a Clinton Foundation challenge coin. Ooh, yeah. Probably. No doubt. Welcome to the club. This one will get you to the island. Look, there's a whole bunch of them. I've seen journalists collect them,

because I know a lot of journalists, they'll go to events, and they'll ask the cop, do you guys have challenge coins? as it was look there's a whole bunch of them i've seen journalists collect them because like i know a lot of journalists they'll go to events and they'll ask the cop do you guys have challenge coins yeah i got a couple we do and like then they'll get like you know fort lauderdale police do you have any tim me yeah yeah i said i got like a trump one somewhere oh yeah okay so i when i was uh um i can't remember where i was at i was at a trump rally someone gave me an inauguration coin it's probably in a box somewhere i didn't know what it it was. I was like, what is this? A coin? And they're like, yeah, yeah. It's just basically a piece of art. It's a metal thing. You put it on a

rack or whatever. Yeah, it's a collector's item. Or let's see. Gentleman's Tuck says, the guy died of a stroke. It could have just as easily happened to him taking a dump. Good point. Yeah, heart attacks definitely do when you're taking a dump. Is there any tear gas in the toilet? Because that could definitely elevate your heart rate a little bit.

So this is an interesting one. Sol Invicta says, Tim says that violence achieves nothing, that fifth-generational warfare is all in the mind, and yet Antifa's been violent, getting their way. Dem's violent, getting their way. The entirety of the human race throughout its history, violent, getting their way. Okay, and I'm going to debunk that, right? It's very simple. Do it.

First of all, the generation of warfare generations evolved. We went through stodgy, well, we went through like, you know, general fighting. We ended up with like people marching on a battlefield towards each other.

Then we get guerrilla warfare and tactics change. And now the biggest, you know, factor is cyber war, manipulation, influence campaigns. And people say, oh, but Antifa does this.

Antifa gets finally get their way. No, no, no, you're mistaken. They're not getting their way because of violence. They're getting their way because they because the mainstream media, the controller of influence, defends it or covers it up. When people saw what Black Lives Matter started doing after George Floyd died, their support went down, even though the media was saying peaceful protest. So yes, I understand they're getting their way, but they're getting their way in many instances not always they're getting it because they're being defended by those who control influence that's why i always say it the most effective protest is wearing a nice pair of slacks and a button-up shirt and shaking shaking people's hands and smiling and it's why you get these politicians who who have you know have you guys ever seen that movie was

it called bulworth where the politician just like snaps and then he's like you know, have you guys ever seen that movie, what is it called, Bullworth? Where the politician just like snaps and then he's like, you know, they told me to wear a blue tie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically. He gets cornrows. That's the best hook on that song. What to wear, why to wear it, they've structured everything perfectly because that's the effective way to garner

influence from the people and when they do that they grant their voice to you which empowers them. So look, Antifa goes goes out does these things but it's hurting them they if antifa went out and it was all peaceful protests they'd have gained 10 times as much it is it is in spite of the violence that they're succeeding the media is covering up too much of it it doesn't work all right let's see we got let's just jump down for some well that's why the mainstream media needs to hide it but don't you think think that they kind of failed in doing that? Yes and no, because it happened at such a larger scale that we don't even understand.

There was other journalists like Michael Tracy that went around the country and told us that the scale was far more severe than what is originally reported or even known. This is, seriously, Michael Tracy got in a car and just drove to small towns and encountered places that no one has ever heard of, and he was surprised to find there were riots there. The media wasn't covering it. They didn't care, it didn't fit the national narrative, and it's in spite of the violence. If the protests were just peaceful mass marches, it would be, it would have been, I'll put it this way, I think the riots are going to be a stain on history and it's going to be recognized as very you know people

died but imagine if it was just like millions of people across the country in various areas marching and that was all it was it would be like a golden moment of history this big awakening of peaceful uprising changes would have come but they've lost the support they had before george floyd was 18 net after the riots eight percent it went down so i'm telling you man times change technology changes in the information age is something very very different it's no longer the era of like marching in a building like the building's ours therefore we're in charge of the government doesn't work that way well everyone has phones so eventually that information just it will get out out as long as

you don't live in China. You know what it could be, too? If you go back hundreds of years, the reason taking the building meant you had the power is probably because the currency was in it, the hard gold. And the only way to get it was if someone gave it to you. So you couldn't trade. And so they're in the building. They're armed. Okay, I'll do what you say. Just give me gold. Now it's all digital through your phone. Take the building. My phone, my

paycheck still went through. Well, the documents, the records, if you took the building, you had everything that happened beforehand all right let's see jordan reynolds says tim let's be honest our entire upper echelon of politicians are corrupt on both sides only a few patriots exist in our government they are a dying breed how do we push forward when everything we say is out of context and being controlled i don't have all the answers man i have a i have a uh semi-short answer for that which is like having been in dc for 12 years i think what i was most surprised at working at nbc was that there was this institution of media that was built up around you know bill clinton started the white house press briefing and then if you

wanted to be a good reporter who got questions in that briefing then you better not ask ask Jay Carney a question that, you know, we'll get you blackballed the next time. So over, if that happens over the course of 40 years, then you get like this symbiotic relationship and the media who's supposed to put these corrupt politicians in check are themselves, you know, basically throwing them a bone. So I think the reality is, look, there's a gigantic machine. The way I, the to the Occupy people back in the day was you got a giant skyscraper. And every day, 300 million people are building it bigger and bigger. And you're at the base complaining about it. And there's a lot wrong with it.

And you're trying to knock it down with a ball-peen hammer. I don't know necessarily what the answer is. But perhaps the answer is to just walk away from the building and go find shelter somewhere else. Maybe the reality is what we should do is vote with our dollars. Don't support big companies like Amazon and Walmart. Do what you can to support mom and pop shops, especially right now. If you can, it might not be possible. That's the crazy thing. But then if you can't, be more self-sufficient. Try and figure out how to be more sustainable. Don't run to the store to desperately buy toilet paper at Walmart. Just figure out a way to deal with that in some non-fighting with people in Walmart over toilet paper.

Maybe the idea is to move out of the cities, learn how to farm, get a place in the middle. I mean so many people are doing this, getting away from these cities, going to the suburbs. I think the big thing that needs to happen, what people don't realize, it all starts with you. You've got to clean your room before you try and change the world. All right, Jordan Peterson. That's a good point. It's a fantastic point. I say that all the time.

So think about it this way. Imagine if every single person right now who's upset with the system said, I'm not going to participate. I'm going to go do my thing. We're going to go set up our own, go to Wyoming, go to West Virginia, go to Idaho, go to Nebraska, and just find open land and just get back to basics. Stop relying so much on the system and its comforts and realize like we live in this super elite air conditioned clean water privilege and we can probably do better. And that's a win-win for everybody. I think the challenge arises when people are like, I'm used to the comfort level that I have now, but we're in a golden age.

So for me, and maybe it's just me, I'll tell you this. I've been homeless. I've slept in cars before. I could be just in my van down by the river, happy with the experience, just chilling, just in a van down by the river, go fishing. And it's my freedom that I get most of my value from. Now I understand if you have a family, it's probably much more difficult to just say, you know, to do it. So the issue ultimately is there's probably no good answer. I certainly think stop voting. Like stop voting for Democrat, Republican and vote for politicians who reflect your values. Sometimes it's a Republican.

It really is. You've got Rand Paul. I think he's very libertarian. But he's in the Republican Party. And you've got politicians who run in that party. And so you vote for him. But maybe it's just, you know, I've always been an advocate of voting for the person you believe in. Not just Democrat or Republican.

It's how you end up in this mess, like you said. It just creates this system over time where a symbiotic relationship emerges. And maybe the reality is we've spent 40 years getting into the situation and it's gonna take 40 years to get out and it starts with you saying i'm not gonna vote for the republicans or the democrats i'm gonna vote third party or fourth party or fifth or just yeah i'm gonna vote for the name the right end the person i believe in and they might not win but for me i don't care a wasted a vote a vote for some a vote for the democrat or republican because you fear one or the other in my opinion is a wasted vote because look what you get now

look what you get now the democrats control everything congratulations the system isn't going to work this way forever and you just need to go vote stop voting for the lesser of two evils and stop depending on other people to solve your problems i think that's the biggest one now you said you would be happy if you'd be down by the river in a van. I'd be happy with a press credential. I'll eat good. That's all I need. But it's because of people's temperament.

It's your attitude that essentially matters. And I think you taking your life back and understanding that it's in your control, in your hands, your actions dictate every single thing. Your imagination is the creation of you. When you start understanding the true power you have and start living it, then everything magically happens. You were mentioning the flow state. I mean, that's something that I've been studying, looking into, and many people look at it as the key to success and their prosperity. And if you don't know what that is, just look into it yourself. Check out some books. There's a lot of books. Think and Grow Rich. That's a key but thinking grow rich that's like that's a good one that's a good one

too that's what hegel called it was dasein which is like when you're in your work state and you're like doing that which you were on put on earth to do yeah like be putting food on your table for your family through whatever job but it's dasein interesting i think we got to get back to being independent self-sufficient. Like you just said, Luke, stop relying on other people. Mike Cernovich had an interesting quote. He said, everyone is trying to run the country. No one wants to lead their families. Yes, exactly.

Stop attaching your personal happiness to what Donald Trump says on Twitter. Yeah. I thought that was pretty powerful. That's a great point. We need more Stoics. Yeah, people who built careers by having all these notifications set up so that as soon as Trump tweets, they get the notification and can respond right away. Man, you need to find something to do, man. We got Daniel Maxwell says Pence requires all factions involved to desire peace.

Violence occurs when one of the factions decides. Oh, I'm sorry. Peace requires all factions involved to desire peace. Not Pence. Violence occurs when one of the factions decides to use force to get what they want war happens when one of the other factions chooses to defend themselves right and that's i guess why things are getting scary man yeah andre beltran says walter general just posted trump should resign to avoid a second second impeachment i thought people knew it didn't completely go through the first time trump will not be uh i

everything's on pence right now 25th amendment requires mike pence to initiate some kind of removal then there's a vote impeachment requires mike pence to break the tie wait but here's here's my question is like okay so there's like two weeks left now less than two weeks yeah less than two weeks is the point is the point here anything to do with like insurrection and the safety of people in the country or does it have to do with tarnishing tarnishing and stamping out the legacy i think that's a trump so it could also be another factor is i believe if he is removed by the article 25 or if he's impeached a second time either or that he can't run for a second term and i i think that that's that's also playing a role that they don't want mark levin yeah yeah

i know i i was reading something that that's also playing a fact that they don't want trump to run in 2024 because i mean they still know that he still has that you know a big hand in that populist wave on the right so we got a good one here from bones he says what happened last night has me so conflicted but what i do know is that all of us need to take a chill pill and it's time to primary out everyone and yes yeah i agree 100 great comment uh right on nail on the head but i also think now is the opportunity for these people and all their anger and 74 million to stop voting Republican. OK, listen, people keep saying, but if you don't vote for the Republicans and the Democrats went, well, they won. Congratulations.

They're all here. You could have at least started something new that represented your values and restored faith in the system in a much better way. And it takes investment. I think the issue is too many people are scared of the other. So that's why it's Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican. That's the only way we end up going. That's why I mostly didn't care to vote for the most part. But I thought Trump had some things that were going.

All right, let's see what we got here. One individual says that is advocating for the peaceful secession from the union, but I don't think that's possible. No. You know, a lot of people have said peaceful divorce. You can't. I don't see that. that wait who's seceding from who though like there's that meme about the united states of canada and jesus land okay i got like the blue states and the red states just like you know draw dividing line it's a really interesting point mike sernovich brings up everybody wants to to lead the country isn't it simple to just be like how about we let red

states be you know have their own laws, just ease up on the federal – States' rights? Yeah. 10th Amendment. How about that? Go back a little bit towards states' rights just so people can feel like – Let's go back to the Articles of Confederation and everybody has their own money and there's like 80 different kinds of money. That would be awesome.

I would like that. Let's see. Let's grab some super chats here. Let's see. Lior Engelstein says, I was there in the beginning, but before it became super crazy, the switch happened when the news of the Pence letter came out. I sent Richie some photos of paperwork that was taken from McConnell's desk. Crazy. What up, Lior?

That's not. That's bad. Shout out to Lior in Vegas. But I've heard that people were saying that everybody was chill. And then once the letter came out from Pence saying he would not support the president, they were just like, I'm mad. And Pence didn't need to release the letter. He could have said...

He didn't? He didn't release the letter. He didn't need to. Oh, right. I know. That's the thing. That added so much fuel to the fire. You know, maybe that was the letter that he received at Bush's funeral.

And he just took it out. And then he finally issued the letter. That conspiracy. I remember that. He could have just said I am going right now and I'm going to hear the evidence

and see this vote counted properly and I will do what's right by the people of this country and then it would have been like come on Pence come on Pence and that would have been

boring and all day with nothing happening you know all the Trump supporters waiting outside clapping and getting ready and then Pence would be like Biden wins and then by then

it's late people are going home and things chill out maybe or it's after dark I think it was already too late I mean i already think no i think trump kind of threw the hot potato at him and he was stuck in a situation where he just had the u.s president say that the election is in his hands right before that moment which was a very weak move let's be honest

here v sidious says ashley babbitt served for 14 years in the Air Force with four tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, and she died on the floor in the same place that sent her over there. That's exactly what I said. It's for her to do all of that to die in the U.S. Capitol. Where's all the protesters about unarmed people being shot?

What happened? But the thing is, why didn't we storm the Capitol when we found out that the Iraq war was a quagmire? That was my question. Or a lie. That's why I, you know. Don't even get me started.

Yeah, seriously. That's my thing. People started talking about Area 51 again. Oh, my gosh. Kelty says, this is not about Trump. This is about COVID lockdown. The devils find work for idle hands. Yeah.

I was saying. People were just, you know, losing time. All right. Let's see what we got here. Trying to to go we got so many super chats thank you guys nicholas osborne says tim luke lids i am eternally grateful for what y'all do keep on keeping on this is true this just truly is a land of confusion it is tough and we're trying to figure things out huh but uh don't forget ian ian's normally here he's just he's out today jake says stop clutching your pearls like the rebels cost trump anything all they did was stop the republicans for pretending like they cared about certifying democrats will do what they always plan to do and those who would leave who

would leave us now never had the sand to stick around betsy devos resigned like that was huge for trump and the trump supporters you know a lot of other people have resigned, too. I just think it was a net negative. I mean, even in terms of life lost. What was gained? That's the real... What was won by that? Nothing. I mean, optics was horrible down the border.

Yeah, we lost optics. That's great. There's always the quote from Iron Man. You guys see Iron Man 2? Ivan Vanko. If you make God bleed, then there will be blood in the water and the sharks will come. I think

the last thing you want is for this country to be shown to be weak, especially at a time when China is advancing. And Iran right now. Like of all the times to expose weakness in this country, that was yikes, man.

Because that's not even about Trump or Democrats. That's about the fact that China is doing beaching drills and we got Joe Biden in office. It's easier to get into the United States Capitol than it is to get into a bar when you're 18 years old. Well, I mean, you had hundreds of thousands of people. I tried. Trust me. I tried to do that and I didn't get into that bar, but I got into the Capitol the other You've got hundreds of thousands of people. Trust me, I tried to do that, and I didn't get into that bar, but I got into the capital

You've got hundreds of thousands of people in DC, and people are freaking out like all of the money we spent on security, and they were able to breach it. It's the worst possible time for this to happen. All you have to do is take a towel and a bunch of ice, and you could have gone into any bar through the back door at any time. Well, there you go. That's the way to do it. T-List says,

Tim, I love your work. I'm considering pursuing a career in journalism, but seeing the state of the media makes me question if my work would always be restricted. Is journalism a career worth pursuing in our time? I don't know. What are you going to say? I don't know.

It should be, but everything is de-incentivizing people from doing it because it's hazardous. It's becoming more and more dangerous. And the likelihood of you as an independent person making it is becoming harder and harder, especially with all the censorship efforts and the mainstream media just getting the dominant search results, the dominant headlines, the dominant algorithm feeds. But that's something that I don't want to say. I want to say, do it. Go for it because you can make it if you truly believe in yourself. The odds are stacked against you. But when you do make it, it's going to be worth it so much more and you're going to be so much more important than you even realize.

Yeah. And if you're asking yourself that question, then I think that you're going in with the right mindset, which is you're doing it for the right reasons. All right. We got a very important super chat here from David Brady. He says, hey, Tim, donated $10 earlier but couldn't attach my message. Loving TimCast IRL. I heard you play Magic the Gathering. How much to come play with you?

Actually, so we're setting up the new website. It's coming along. We'll get it when we get it. We're going to have a VIP members section, and there's going to be, we're going to do events. So there'll be like limited ticket sales for members. And the general idea is if you are a member of the podcast, you get exclusive content, you get access to the show. But then when we do events, there's a very limited set of tickets available for people to come to our outdoor events. It's kind of cold right now, but then, you know, we've got the new, if you've seen my

Instagram videos, the garage setup. So we're going to do music and stuff. And it will be really small, especially because of COVID. But this will be like a really exclusive perk for first-come, first-served members. So it's coming. It's coming. And it's not going to be based on money. We had a conversation about like how do we do tiers for members?

And the obvious one is like maybe if you give a bunch of money, you can come. And I'm like – and then predicating like your ability to come hang out with like how much money you have that's not cool i don't like that idea i'm too lefty for that stuff nah workers the world unite right so my thing is like i guess the only the alternative is kind of like a first come first serve which means we'll send out a notice like hey members we got 10 tickets and then boom they're all sold and then you can come hang out it is what it is you know we we try our best but some things are just resources are finite right all right let's see we got here meridian forest says i had a lot of pride and faith when i joined the military not for the country but for the people and now i can't really see myself supporting either the democrats

or republicans because of the people i'd be standing by i have always felt that way especially like i grew up with with the iraq war you know what i mean and i was surprised because my i i've got you know on both sides of my family military and uh then i've got my you know my brother was in the army my my sister married into the army and i'm just like but with everything i've seen i was like why would someone want to do that that's that's the challenge you know i've heard good answers i'm not gonna pretend like, no, I'm 34. So of course, I've grown up from being 15 or whatever. But it was always crazy to me that we could see the problems.

We could see the corruption. And you're going off to some foreign country where there was no WMDs. And it just felt like a ripoff. And who was supposed to keep us from invading? Who was going to call that into question? The media. And why didn't they do it? MSNBC was just as for the war as CNN was.

Yeah. New York Times was like a PR for the Iraq war. Maddie says, I don't condone violence, but people are sick of being smeared while Black Lives Matter gets, quote, in defense of looting. I was there. I went to support Trump, not because I thought results would change. Heard a guy say he was glad conservative

finally doing something. People are fed up. It's emotional, man. That's that's the challenge. I criticize, you know, I this is activist guy I knew from Occupy. And he said, smashing a bank window does nothing and it hurts your cause. But it really feels good to the person who did it. And I'm like, then why do it? And he was like, people aren't smart enough to organize, to figure out how you effectively target the corporations you think are

oppressing you. So instead they want that immediate emotional release of attacking a symbol of that oppression. And I was like, that was very, very smart. And that's it. That's the federal courthouse too,

in Portland. It's a symbol. Right, exactly. What was the point of going there? Storming the Capitol didn't do anything. It didn't accomplish anything, but I'm sure people were like,

I'm angry and I want to, you know, attack a symbol, but like, but it's just you know what man logic versus emotion it's a big big challenge for for people and ultimately this just created a pretext for some new you know ridiculous security bill more police forces they're not well at least it ended to fund the police i suppose but i mean i've never been a big fan of militarized police. I would imagine now with any future demonstrations or rallies or speeches in D.C., I mean, they're going to have that U.S. Capitol building guarded. I mean, you're not even going to be able to step even on the sidewalk steps of that building,

I guarantee. They're going to have it. But that's what we said about the White House when they almost pulled them the Jackson statue. And then it's like, okay, well, another symbol is the Capitol. So don't you think you maybe should protect that one too in these times? It's negligence to the point of like I can't even comprehend it. I have no idea what they were thinking. But this is, I mean, this happens to a society when the ruling class and the oligarchy is going to keep smashing on on on regular work in america they're going to stand up i feel like it's it's like when you trap

an animal in a corner we're seeing that right now but you know who's holding the billionaires to account the washington post yeah i feel good about that yes yeah uh-huh yeah because it's owned by a uh a robin hood type guy named jeff bezos who has no connections to the cia at all i love that guy all right a texan says no comment i did I love that guy. All right. A. Texan says... No comment. I did not say that. All right. A. Texan says, Richie, I know what you're doing wearing that shirt.

You mock me. Wife and I are happy. Y'all are safe. Take care, brother. What are you doing with that shirt? It's a point break. It's Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves. And this one says, that's Bodhi.

They call him the Bodhi Sattva on the back. It's a different quote. When do we get to go back to talking about movies and stuff? It's the lockdown. It's making everybody cabin fever. When can we go to the movie theater? Yes, please. Well, if you're in West Virginia, you can go to the movie theater.

Interesting point. Yeah. The funny thing is, in West Virginia, they have a mask mandate. And you walk in without a mask, and no one does anything. I don't care, yeah. I have a mask. I have this really cool. I was bringing it up. Someone sent me a mask. It's got a little beanie on no one does anything you know I have a mask I have this really cool I was bringing up someone sent me a mask it's a little beanie on it so I wear it but you'll walk in you'll see nobody cares and it's like some people will be like they'll avoid somebody's not wearing a mask I'm like man that's very West Virginia you

know what I mean like you see somebody not wearing a mask instead of going up to them and yelling at them putting yourself at risk you say I'm I'm going to avoid that person. Smart. It's the opposite in California, I'll tell you that. It's like they want to get sick. Rusty Shackelford says, Tim Pool has been yelling into the void of the internet for months at the establishment and the traders. Now he is acting like a coward when people act. You're a shill right now, Tim it's funny that i'm like here's what wins hearts and minds in a fifth

generational warfare context and allows you to win elections and then they're like yeah but we want to break a window and i'm like but i criticize people who break the windows you may say that i'm railing on the establishment i railed on antifa why because they went around smashing windows and destroying businesses and then when the cops came out and violated the constitution i railed on the establishment i railed on antifa why because they went around smashing windows and destroying businesses and then when the cops came out and violated the constitution i railed on the cops for violating the constitution it's about principle there's an effective strategy to uh to solving your problems and this ain't it so forgive me if my principles remain for the most part static when these things go down all right let's see we got here eric miller says i think it's like people handling substances differently people handle

adrenaline differently your brain works and uh an overclocked pc versus everybody else just mentally crashes oh in reference to our like time slowing down yeah yeah yeah i think there's a lot of people who just they just they freak out in their brain it's like me i can't work and there are some people that just like heightened senses, everything slows down. You can see everything. It becomes weird, crystal clear. It's just like- Matrix.

You know, Baltimore. Super cool, yeah. Super slow. That's what we call it, yeah. You poke it and it just like floats away and you're like- Well, it also depends on the situation and circumstance because an individual who could have that kind of matrix response could also have a panicky one later on. Yeah.

So there's incidences of of both of them happening that's also you know a kiana movie as well i know come fair yes so in reference to my comment about you know the the violence uh 400 years ago res says here's a few in the last years ukrainian armenia kyrgyzstan georgia russia belarus macedonia serbia bosnia moldova romania and they all had they all lead to change is what's going on in in many of these countries like a positive thing right now russia has been i mean i guess the soviet union was more of an economic collapse is that what it was just like this it was it was uh it was the drop of participation so many

countries uh just decided not to participate, not to feed into the system. And you had protest general strikes, not just in Poland, but also around all all around the Soviet bloc with countries saying we're just not going to participate. And of course, the Soviet Union was going out of money. there's a lot of different political strategists including a very excellent interview by g edward griffin with a kgb agent that talks about a larger kind of strategy here which also could be at play but but again all it took was individuals again some of the protests work some of them were violently crushed down they protested again and uh how about libya you got yeltsin though like right wasn't it yeltsin well like he was a piece of crap and they just gave all the money to the to the oligarchs who controlled

and and people talk about ukraine but the oligarchs are still in control exactly like so oh so they exactly president fled to russia and now it's the same people who have always controlled things by force so you had the french revolution you got napoleon fantastic yeah right and so this is what i always tell people like when I see these Antifa people saying, once we're in control, we'll create a better world. And I'm like, you think you're justified in hurting people to get what you want. That's not going to change once you're president. You're just going to use it on a larger scale. So it's difficult.

It really is. I'm not going to pretend like it's easy. But I think about some of these countries and I think about what you just said. It's confidence in the system can't exist if you if you walk away reminds you ever see that treehouse of horror simpsons where the guy plays a song just don't look because the advertisements came to life and then all you gotta do is look away from the advertisement and then it does no longer alive people also forget that like same thing that we were talking about earlier with drugs

government is a technology that's been like developed over so many generations and thousands of years and like you can't just be like oh actually my idea that i came up with while i was sitting on twitter is much better yeah so uh we're gonna overthrow the government i don't know braveheart 0484 says the left has no idea what a civil war will mean to the right the problem is the left is doing what every tyrant has done in history. What happens when the militia show up? The left believes anyone who disagrees with them is evil.

And then 50 SWM const first. I'm not super familiar with what that means. I assume it's a military thing or something. But I agree. And it was just something

Joe Rogan said that the people who are clamoring for revolution and the Antifa carries banners revolution, nothing less. They don't understand

what happens when the actual guys who have seen combat are forced out because you broke up in the floodgates like people don't realize isis is what happened in iraq i mean that's that's the other thing too i was gonna say about the violence thing like how's it going for syria you know libya well libya you know the u.s kind of caused a lot of problems. But early, early on, the protests in Libya ultimately led to this intervention. Early on, the protests and uprisings in Syria. What we saw were the rebels pick up arms and they said, well, they're shooting at us, so we're going to shoot back. Then ISIS. So it's like perhaps there's no real easy answer and perhaps sometimes the conversation stops.

But I'll say in reference to a lot of these countries, yes, maybe we don't have to go back so far. But the reality is the United States is very, very different, especially today. The information age is new. It's very, very new. The internet is, what, 26 years old-ish from when we actually got, like, AOL and CompuServe. Well, I think you go back to, like, 1989 with CompuServe or whatever. And then, like, you had internet on DOS and stuff for those that are familiar with it. So we've really had, I think 2007, the advent of the popular smartphone, the iPhone.

Now we have all the basic same phone structure of watching movies, watching videos, reading tweets, and that's changing everything. And now when you go out and you hurt someone, everyone kind of dislikes that and they learn real quick. We talk about like false flags and stuff in the military, theulf of tonkin incident it's very difficult to pull these off now because everyone's got footage and photos of everything sure you know there's still tricks and techniques but the reality is information has changed the game dramatically it's cool i think

it's cool we don't gotta get violent anymore you know some people are and they're bad people but also on the other hand with social media it's creating more mental illness, which is driving people crazy. Yes, exactly. Let's see. iLite says, shout out to the 1984 level stuff. Wanted to donate just in case they erase the video. Your guests are top knock tonight. Cheers, guys.

Oh, we got some, you know, legit journalists who are on the ground covering this stuff, you know. It's how we do. Let's see we got a positive comment about tulsi gabbard where did that go hell yeah it just jumped some uh so when we get too many super chats it just bounces and then it's great oh no it went away they said but i can't remember who it was they said tulsi gabbard hit the nail on the head with her latest interview but the specifics are gone all right jesse misagian pronouncing your name wrong probably tim how dare you quote the worst mcu movie literally the only time i've heard someone

quote iron man 2 yeah that's mickey rourke though isn't that the character is yeah i mean he's a good actor at least i told you you liked him what i told you you liked iron man what do you mean iron man iron man too yeah yeah and he's fighting with ivan on ivan vanco yeah yeah yeah that's what i'm saying i'm just saying you really like iron man that's what i'm saying captain america's cool too okay he's just trying to make it seem like i was on the side of the corporatists with the captain america civil war thing i think it's i think it's maybe because you were like again too personal fence sitting and giving you an explanation of the pros and the cons listen

Marvel already sold out the China so why don't you guys just find a new comic Disney yep Jared Gilmore says the only question I have is do it is do we get true banana shop at a

pressure everyone keeps saying truna lima nana pressure but he said true in and Nana Shaba to pressure yes of course i went through it a million times man that's impressive yeah wonderful use of time ben busher says it's really easy to say violence is wrong and storming the capital is wrong when you haven't lost your job and in fact prospering from the current crisis love the show just disagree that's a fair point

no i i don't know really good point i i i i i saw that i disagree well i still think that it's it's people in the media still have jobs in fact more people are paying attention to the media because they're they're stuck in home so it's easy to you know to denounce anything that's going on as a result of um this unrest yeah we don't know his pain we don't i will say easy is a good point. It's not like I'm suffering. You know what I mean? I think we were doing actually a lot better before the lockdown started.

And there was a big hit because when restaurants close, advertisers disappear. And a massive portion of ad rates are due to local businesses advertising their services. And then when it got shut down, you could see it on YouTube. Everybody got hit really bad. But truth be told, my company is not suffering. You know, that's the difference. It's, uh, we're doing well here. So I respect that point. But I think the, the, the thing being missed there is just because it might be hard and you're suffering under the lockdown doesn't make storming the Capitol, the solution, it doesn't make it work. And my, my thing thing is and this is just me

and i know some people don't agree but i'm gonna tell you what i think i would personally if i saw the system breaking down and you know there's the the democrats have won the election trump has won so that's the direction it's gone the election you didn't get your way i'd rather go farm and if i can't work i will survive for myself and i think that's something about you know growing up and being homeless and being on the south side and being poor i know i have no expectations from the system to support me in any way in fact i just think typically it's a detriment in some capacity so i'll rely on myself if i need food i gotta get food it's harder when you have a family that i get but maybe what needs to happen is people

need to realize you might have to live like humans had to live you might have to farm build your own stuff trade and be self-sustaining and be independent and not sit there and be like when will the government allow me to run my business again because maybe they won't and maybe the elections didn't give you the outcome you wanted because the democrats want the lockdowns. I mean, Joe Biden campaigned on locking down heavily. And Fauci and Bill Gates have both said normalcy won't come back until 2022. When all the people vote for this, then what do you do other than fight for yourself, I guess? It's not easy and there's no good answer. Wear a mask, stay inside, and shut up.

But then when you run out of food, like eventually you have to leave and go find food. Order it on Amazon. No, I mean if you have no money, you can't pay your rent. Yeah, I hear you. At a certain point, you've got sink bug land on you. I love how they're just dumb and clumsy. Chillin' with me. Odra Noel Zenitram says,

China is vulnerable right now. They're requesting grain from the surrounding countries around them, and trade war with Aussies led them to running out of coal for their steel production saw that they're taking firewood and coal from their citizens to keep up with steel production yeah well they they went after the aussies no well that's another thing we were discussing with china uncensored here is that china is not this huge big mighty empire they're someone that is supported by the u.S. establishment, but also a country geopolitically not in a good

position with lack of really important resources that they are desperately trying to get right now. Don't mess with the Aussies. I gotta agree with this one. Ted II says, the memes on iFunny right now about all of this are on fire. The exact opposite of what CNN and others are saying, the voice

of the people. Well, I agree that there's a bunch of hilarious memes like the one where it says 2020 was a weird year. And then it says six days into 2021. It's the Viking guy as president of the Senate. Now banned on Facebook. Now banned on Facebook because fun is verboten. Sorry. Not allowed. Only fear.

Todd Mastin says, Luke, I will buy you an I am A Gorilla shirt if you get me one of those that you have. Maybe. What kind of gorilla shirts do you have? Well, no, no. We're making the... Yeah, the one we're making. Okay. Maybe.

It's probably going to be ready soon. We just need the graphic design and then the I Am A Gorilla Love Yourself. You're competing with me now in my t-shirt business, Tim. What do you mean? We have t-shirt pinned right now. That's true.

I just figured this out because YouTube's been like on the fritz. They've changed something and the weird things keep happening. We had the other day a six and a half hour live stream of nothing. Just a pier. We've done accidentally live streamed a hot mic in our office. Really? For how long?

I'm not going to say when because then, you know. It wasn't that bad but we were just like staying just really just dumb just being casual people were like

trying to listen to Donald Trump and they're just listening to like a bunch of idiots in the newsroom that's amazing yeah

but I just figured this out I was like clicking around and there's a merchandise thing and it says you can pin a shirt and it's the Harumph shirt and I was like oh okay so I did it

maybe we'll sell a bunch of those but once we get the gorilla one we'll put it up i am a gorilla it's literally just a gorilla saying i'm a gorilla i have it's funny i guess people really like it there's nothing about it it's literally it's it it's people are gonna wear their shirt and it's gonna be a gorilla like with his fist like this says i am a gorilla people are gonna be like okay there's no political message or anything. I love it. It's great. Yeah. I mean, Harumph, I say, is really good too.

Also, no big political message. Yeah, that one's good. That one's good. Just fun, silly. What's that referencing? It's Tim. So periodically, I'll make a reference. Oh, Harumph, I say.

I got you now. My reference is to the establishment elites. I got it now. They're clutching their pearls. I thought it was like Harambe's brother. No, no, no. So the joke I make is you'll see Nancy Pelosi. You will see like i thought it was like harambe's brother no no no so like the joke i make is you'll see like nancy pelosi will see a trump supporter and go haram if i say like you know how dare you and so then someone made him it's me well maybe we do a gorilla shirt

that's harambe's brother and he says harambe i say perfect harambe shirts were do well but youtube for some reason took away my ability to have my shirts on YouTube for some reason. I don't know why. Why? When YouTube. I'm not even going to. So, Big Boss, I have to apologize. You said, please read my last Super Chat.

I think it got skipped. No. And I apologize, but we have so many Super Chats that the YouTube feed actually skips and jumps. And so I'm trying to scroll through but it's really really just now you know difficult difficult stanky i'm not gonna read your name stankly says tim as much as i agree with moving away from cities i implore you to exempt the crazy jurassic eden that is florida is florida florida is one of those last bastions of the american dream because a line uh no i'm not reading that last part what i want to know now just a reference to drugs but uh i briefly live in florida the problem is no one goes outside

i lived in miami you can't no one goes outside swimming i was supposed to be in florida i still might be in florida so by the way they don't go outside because it's always like 90 degrees with maximum humidity but when it rains it is awesome like every day it's like a type like it's like a monsoon i'm outside and it's just like crazy. But in Miami, you drive around. No one's outside except for January and February. And all of the windows of all of the businesses are drenched in condensation because the AC is on full blast and the humidity is maxed out. So like you drive around and you don't see people.

You go to Miami Beach and there's tons of people. But you're just driving around in the Miami general area. I remember wanting to go out and skate. And it was just so miserable. Because you'd go out sweltering in humidity. Park would be empty. But in January and February. That's when it was okay.

That was the one time. Let's see. Keyboard Warrior says, love you Luke. I love you too. Thank you. Here we go. Tyler Y says, Tulsi has an interview with dave rubin yesterday when the mayhem was going on think the full interview dropped sunday oh cool interesting i think tulsi's great timothy vick says tim and friends can capitalism exist without devolving into an oligarchy what protections could prevent it

that's a constitution yep an actual open market that's not bastardized by government? I disagree. A vibrant public discourse. Free speech. Absolutely. Let's see. Brian Quillen says farming isn't cheap.

Just a combined cost, $750,000. A combine. I went to a bunch of farms and talked to them and they had hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment. But I'm not talking about farming and mass scale. I'm talking about you and your family farming. Growing your own food. I mean, I had chickens once.

They're great. They just, you walk outside and they're just, they're standing. You can get chickens in DC, actually. We've been looking into it. You can get chickens? You should get chickens at the office. Sure. They lay eggs. That's actually a good idea. They lay eggs. That's actually a good idea. My boss would love that. Chick can get chickens. You should get chickens at the office.

That's actually a good idea. They lay eggs. That's actually a good idea. My boss would love that. Chickens lay eggs. They do lay eggs. Yes, that's correct. So it's really great. You walk outside and the chickens, like the chickens I would have, the noise they would

make is they would go like. Right when they pop on out? No, no, no. Is that what the young kids are calling it? People say that they bop, bop, bop, and they cluck and stuff, right? They go like, bop, bop, bop, bop. That's like the noise that's out on a pier or whatever. But what they don't realize is that chickens make a bunch of different noises.

And the ones I had would walk around going like, bop, bop, bop. And they would whistle. They do, yeah. And then we would go outside, and they'd have the little thing. They'd be sleeping. And then we'd walk in, and they would get up, and they would look at us, and there'd be eggs. And I'd be like, yeah. And then we'd go and make eggs for breakfast.

It was awesome. But but yeah you can do that you can have a bunch of chickens running around doing chicken stuff you just make bugs and eating the eggs but they're it is it is not that simple you need the the layer the protein feed for them and you need the special lights for winter and stuff but if you were going to sustain your family you know i kind of feel like the way i always describe it if i was in the middle of the woods with nothing but a pointy stick that's a net positive you're not completely with nothing you know i think most people assume they got to have clean running water access to health care their tv and their showers and their refrigerators and i'm kind of like give me a pointy stick and

i'm i'm doing well and if i'm in the middle woods with nothing i'll make a pointy stick and that's how we start and then you start building a house and you find water and then you go from there and you like rely on yourself man well people need to realize it is extremely difficult to farm even uh during the time i spent in new hampshire we just had a little plot that little plot took a lot of care and maintenance it's it's a lot and that's why a lot of people who do end up working a lot don't want to really share it with other people and are naturally more conservative yep all right let's see dan saw f says thank you thank you for all your hard work everyone have a beer on me i appreciate it thanks man let's see what is that one um geek oasis says please let me know where i can get luke's shirt

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