Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #202 - Trump Has Been Impeached AGAIN, National Guard Brief On MAJOR Threat w/ Allum Bokhari

Episode Date: January 14, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia host commentator, author, and tech journalist Allum Bokhari to talk big tech, the impeachment of Trump, authoritarian new rules being imposed by an international bank, and Ja...ck Dorsey's abusive lines.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, Donald Trump is now the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice. And I wouldn't be surprised if he, you know, if in fact Trump had ended up winning the election, he would have been impeached like four or five times because they would just keep doing it. And I guess the joke is that if he ended up winning, it would have been like 3,000 impeachments. But here we go. This time, several Republicans actually joined in. I think the number is 10. And already conservatives, Republicans, Trump supporters are saying, well, they just ended
Starting point is 00:00:28 their careers. And I think that makes a lot of sense considering the Republican Party still likes Trump overwhelmingly. And in fact, according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval rating actually went up after January 6th, which shows you just how much people really love this man. Well, Donald Trump came out today, put out a video, and he said, no violence, no lawbreaking in reference to any upcoming rallies or protests. And now we're hearing the National Guard has been briefed on very serious terroristic threats that are expected around the inauguration. So I hope that turns out to be nothing.
Starting point is 00:01:02 They've got National Guard troops all over the Capitol building, all over dc i think they're bringing in what like 20 000 is that the number some ridiculous number so we're going to go through this and we're also going to talk about the big tech censorship because the other breaking news snapchat took a brave and bold step banning donald trump he's already suspended but they announced that they're going to be permanently banning him on the 20th so So, okay, I didn't realize. Trump was a big Snapchat user? Is that a thing? I don't use Snapchat. So we're going to talk a lot about it. And we've got one of the foremost experts on big tech censorship, Alan Bakari. He's hanging out. Alan, do you want to introduce yourself?
Starting point is 00:01:36 Hi, I'm Alan Bakari. I've been writing about big tech censorship since 2015 at Breitbart News. And not to say we told you so, but we told you so. You did. And you guys, didn't you guys also put out that video of Google like crying when Trump won? Yes, this was a few days after the election. We got our hands on this internal video at Google and we published the whole thing at Breitbart News. You can still find it online, not censored yet. And this was three days after the election or two days after the election even, and there was a total meltdown at what had happened. They couldn't process it. They had no plan.
Starting point is 00:02:11 They said they had no plan. They said they had no idea what the Trump administration was going to do because they hadn't possibly conceived that he could have won. And they also, more importantly, started talking about their plans to crush the populist movement to make it, in the words of one executive, a blip in history. And they did. This was the story of the 2016, 2020 election. Sorry, complete interference by the tech companies, culminating in the ban of Trump himself. And then it was a blip. The populist thing popped up, and now they suppressed it. But I don't think it's over. And that's kind of the point of what we're seeing. I guess they seem to think that people will think what they tell them to think. And that's partially true. If you could shut down the internet, which they can't, because we're already seeing Trump supporters going underground,
Starting point is 00:02:54 setting up new networks. And it didn't stop those who got deplatformed. You know, they kept saying all these lefties deplatforming works. I'm like, I'm sorry. I seem to, I seem to have remembered a ton of these deplatformed people at the U.S. Capitol bullhorning or marching and getting tons of followers on just different platforms. Sure, maybe shut down all of the Internet. But we'll talk about this stuff. And we also got Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change. I think all of us in this room should start a music band that's called Not Censored Yet. Howdy.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Hello. I am your fellow parking lot vendor and humble T-shirt vendor. And if you want to support my efforts, you can on wearechange.org forward slash shirts. Thanks for having me. And you're also an independent journalist. Yes. Everybody knows you at this point. Ian's back. Hi.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Ian, were you sick? Yeah, I was. I had a headache. I think I stayed up too late. We shouted you out that we want to make sure everybody followed you because, you know, we need to free the code. I've been getting really nice tweets lately. Yeah, look at that. Yo, I'm just ready to get dirty what does that mean let's roll around the mud man i feel like we're we're slathering ourselves in feces and talking about how dirty it is when we talk about this like gross you know left versus right all this junky like we're in it we're in the darkness you know so let's just's just wipe it on all over ourselves.
Starting point is 00:04:06 I was thinking about what you were saying about left versus right, and I feel like tribalist is a better word for it. Because, like, Ocasio-Cortez, in my opinion, doesn't fairly represent the left. She's a tribalist. It's like, you know, her whole persona is owning the cons. So if you've got someone who's the whole thing is owning the libs and someone on the left who's owning the cons, I don't feel that is accurately representing the actual values of a liberal conservative or a socialist or a traditionalist or whatever. It's just someone who wants to like they use that as their stand to earn Internet points.
Starting point is 00:04:37 So I think, you know, a lot of what we see on social media is just tribalism has nothing to do with your actual political ideology. It's which team are you on? Yeah. And that can change. Right. In the heat of the moment this is a good point i mean people don't realize with all this partisanship and tribalism how much the populist left and populist right have in common especially in foreign policy uh and the tribalists get in the way yeah because then you end up with the left cheering for the establishment if it means owning the cons but we'll talk about all this don't forget forget, we got Sour Patch Lids.
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Starting point is 00:07:19 in a swift and stunning collapse of his final days in office. We get it. Several Republicans actually joined in. There were 10. That's kind of surprising, but not too surprising. Interestingly, we heard that Mitch McConnell would not be calling a special session of the Senate, which means the actual trial for Donald Trump will happen after Biden is already president. But you need to understand there is one thing they are doing here. Before I tell you what that one thing is, I'll note Donald Trump put out a big statement today on video, on YouTube for the White House saying no violence and no lawbreaking. And if
Starting point is 00:07:53 you look back at what Donald Trump said in D.C., he said, peacefully protest, peacefully march to cheer on politicians. He didn't tell anybody to do anything direct or to storm the Capitol or any of that stuff. But that's not what's important. The Democrats are levying a charge of incitement of insurrection for one reason. If Trump is convicted for insurrection, that is grounds to prevent him from running in 2024. That's what they're after. And that's why they are now trying to impeach him, even though I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:08:25 They did impeach him, even though I'm sorry, I'm sorry, they did impeach him. That's why they're hoping to convict him even after he leaves office. So I've heard from a lot of people. They've said it's too late. You'll never get a Senate trial in time. What's the point? There's many Republicans who are like, why is only eight days left? Because they don't want him to be able to have any political power ever again.
Starting point is 00:08:43 And they want to do the same thing to all these other Republicans who supported Trump in the constitutional process of objecting to the vote. So I don't know what you guys think, but I think it's doomed to fail unless you think they're Republicans who are actually going to, you know, they need 67 votes. I mean, I mean, who knows? McConnell seems to really hate Trump right now. Who knows where that will go? The question is, you know, is Trump like Trump, like the Obi-Wan Kenobi of getting impeached every time you do it? He gets stronger because he does have this image of, you know, the one guy against everyone else. And this seems to bolster that image. Yeah. Yeah. If you strike me down, I'll become more possible, more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Starting point is 00:09:21 That's the that's the bigger question beyond all of this, though. So I rolled my eyes when it's like, here we go with impeachment again. And they really dragged it out. It was like they announced, we're going to impeach Trump on Monday. And then on Monday, they were like, oh, here we go. But we're going to give Mike Pence 24 hours, 48 hours. We're going to impeach him on Wednesday. And then they finally do it.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Didn't they need like nine months to decide that the average citizen gets $600? But when it comes to impeachment, they could just do it like that. I mean, you know, this is a major thing, but I feel like it's losing its lackluster. It was such a major big deal with Bill Clinton when he was impeached. He still obviously was able to be president. But now it's like, OK, we get the kind of larger symbolic gestures. And I feel like there's a lot of them that essentially don't really amount to a lot. The gestures?
Starting point is 00:10:09 Well, the larger kind of saying, you know, Trump's trying just to push anything Trump out. Like we saw the Gulf course. We saw New York City also announced today that they're getting rid of any contracts they had with Trump, including his property in the Bronx, including his ice skating rink in Central Park. So we're seeing just a lot of people using this situation to kind of stand on the grave of Donald Trump saying, look how good I am by dumping Trump. And that's crazy because Trump's popular still. Like the Trump supporters still love the man just because he's not president anymore doesn't mean they're going to sit by and just let these people destroy everything Trump. I think him getting banned made people love him. Like he got all this sympathy after he got banned off Twitter because the people were ready to start hating on him. And now all of a sudden, well, you know what it is? I think the Trump reply guys
Starting point is 00:10:58 and these journalists on the left are sweating bullets. Like you're going to get laid off. Like Jim Acosta is already gone. You guys saw that, right? No, what happened? CNN announced journalists on the left are sweating bullets like you're gonna get laid off like jim acosta's already gone you guys saw that right no what happened cnn announced that jim acosta is no longer the white house you know correspondent well he served his purpose yeah well you can look at that way or you can just look at it as jim acosta was doing a job for cnn but without trump he's literally nothing the it served his purpose, I think. Sounds too nice. It's that Jim Acosta doesn't have anything going for him.
Starting point is 00:11:30 The only thing he had was that he was the guy who was willing to waste everyone's time just blabbering at Trump and not actually asking questions. I'll be the first Breitbart reporter accused of being too nice to Jim Acosta. No, but it is. You served your purpose and you can go. And I'm like, well, well, well, he was useless from the get-go until trump came in yes no for real that's better actually yeah yeah i mean did anyone know jim acosta before trump nope no i mean i think i don't even know what he was doing for cnn he was the white house press corps for a while i remember meeting him
Starting point is 00:11:59 um oddly enough at bilderberg but he wasn't covering bilderberg he was just staying at the bilderberg hotel before the actual conference was happening weird and that's where i actually met him and um so so what you're saying he actually got fired uh if he was the white house correspondent before trump this was years and years ago um and uh i gotta i gotta look up the dates to to verify but he was the white house correspondent yeah he was the white house correspondent for a while. And they gave him the boot. You see, they're shutting down their airport network.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Yeah, CNN airport is gone. They're just because without Trump, they're in panic. Yeah. And, you know, Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN, was like, you know, it's the it's the lack of air travel from, you know, because of covid and the changing way people are consuming media. And I'm like, yeah, but what about CNN hotels like hotels play cnn all the time but i guess they were paying the airports that makes sense that they would terminate that i wonder what the airports are going to do oh no they're just going to leave cnn on i think that's actually a bet cnn probably made i mean they have all these tvs the airports airports aren't going to turn them off they're
Starting point is 00:12:58 gonna have to play something wasn't there rumors about zucker potentially leaving cnn too recently yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. Yep. Okay. The whole ecosystem, the whole economic system of the media was built on Donald Trump for four years. That's why I've been saying before the media secretly wants Trump to win, but they can't say it or contribute to it. But deep down, they're like, what am I going to do?
Starting point is 00:13:19 Like there's an op-ed from one journalist freaking out being like, my whole career was built on calling out Trump and now he's gone. What do I do? And it was like some other journalist talking them down, like, calm down, calm down. You'll figure it out. You'll evolve from this. I was surprised to see the Krasenstein brothers celebrating in a short video. If you don't know, they're two guys who the only people, the only reason anyone knows their name is because they were Trump reply guys on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:13:44 They got their following through responding to Donaldald trump they were celebrating him getting banned well you know that's how that's how people know who you are but this whole thing about corporate corporations banks cutting off trump social media companies cutting off trump it's kind of has a silver lining in a way because it shows where power lies in america and it's raised this issue now i think to international concern you've got foreign leaders who are horrified to see. I was really, what's the right word? Not shocked, I was impressed. You know, to see bastions of human rights and civil liberties standing up just gave me hope, you know, like China and Uganda calling out these horrific acts that were being carried out in the United States.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Bravo. Well, one thing that's really interesting is that there is international outrage about what's happening in the United States with the banning of the U.S. president on social media, kind of transferring the power of information into the small hands of a few select billionaires. And it's a few french ministers angela merkel uh the mexican president and and a lot of other people are actually australian ministers as well and the reports the british prime minister is now considering uh regulations
Starting point is 00:14:56 on tech censorship now this is interesting yeah this is interesting because we don't hear about this at all like there's no outcry. There's celebration on social media that we're shown on mainstream media, which calls for more heads to roll. But we don't hear any of the legitimate concerns that are very serious. I mean, we're living in a situation where essentially a few people have total control. They privatized the internet and they could do whatever they want with this vast vast ever-growing power that has so much influence on our lives and it's absolutely scary people outside of the u.s are realizing it and no one's even hearing about it yeah so american elites love the fact that these
Starting point is 00:15:36 tech companies can stamp down on their political opponents but no one in any other country really likes the idea of that because they don't want an american they don't want an american company coming and picking and choosing their elected leaders. That's where we're going. The chancellor of Germany doesn't want that. The prime minister of Britain doesn't want that. The dictator of Uganda doesn't want that. He just banned Twitter and Facebook before his election.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Well, they understand this kind of bigger merger of big tech and the Biden administration that's hiring all these tech executives to be a part of its government. This merger is going to have vast power, not just in the United States, but specifically the world. Whenever there's a protest, whenever there's a demonstration, whenever there's a world leader that doesn't play along, that doesn't do whatever the elites want him to do, whatever the billionaire class wants done, if they don't do it, if they don't jump when they say jump, they're going to have all the power in the world to shut someone down everywhere because of their speech. And we have to understand, this is not just Twitter or Facebook. These are monopoly powers of Amazon and Google that control the key infrastructures of our information highways.
Starting point is 00:16:38 So whether it's server space, whether it's internet cables, these people have so much power way beyond just social media algorithms. So it's interesting, Poland, they announced this bill. I don't know if you guys saw this. Yes. Where they're going to, you know, rein in big tech. I actually have this story from the New York Post written by Will Chamberlain. He writes, Poland, appropriately enough, is leading the way. Their Justice Minister Zygmunt Ziobro announced last month the Polish government would enact a law constraining big
Starting point is 00:17:05 tech from censoring their citizens. Polish users who are victims of censorship can go to a new Polish court, get an injunction forcing the company to restore their account and their content on penalty of a fine of as much as 1.8 million euro. We should do the same. Americans should have the same right to speak on large social media platforms that they do in a public park we simply need to change the law to make that a reality you know i love the most about this here i am you know 10 years ago uh fundraising and doing you know engaging in activism to regulate major corporations why oil spills big political lobbying violation of civil liberties and you know you had these big evil companies. And here I am today doing the exact same thing.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Isn't that weird? Yet now conservatives have joined in, and it's really interesting to see the left has abandoned me. Where did they go? They no longer want to regulate the companies that are seizing the commons. I made an analogy to this on Twitter where I said I had an epiphany after being told but my private company for the 500 millionth time. And I realized that all the activism I did for the environment was wrong. BP is a private company. If they want, if they have, if they build an oil rig in the ocean and they're permitted to do it and oil spills out of it, well, too bad. Why don't you start a company to clean up that oil? And I know, of course, they all said, that's a different thing.
Starting point is 00:18:24 It's a different problem. That doesn't make sense. I said, it certainly makes sense. BP caused damage to the commons, the areas that we all share that must be protected so that people can use them. In that destruction and damage, we all got mad. And there are regulations to prevent them from doing this. What I see with big tech and social media is them shutting down legal political speech in the commons where we have our they've taken over the town square people aren't going out and going to church to talk anymore they're not going to community centers they're doing it on twitter and the big tech companies shut that down and i believe they need to be regulated in some capacity and this sounds like a good solution
Starting point is 00:18:59 allow people to get an injunction well this latest news definitely made me feel more polish and proud from my home country but we have to understand Europe has been taking a very different approach than the United States when it comes to big tech for a long time. When it comes to regulations, fines and penalties, social media has been kind of pushed back there more than I would say anywhere else in the world. But also specifically with Poland and other countries like Hungary. I also recently saw an article saying that the Biden administration is eyeing Poland and Hungary to get back at it for some of the kind of close relations that they had previously with Donald Trump. And because of their implementation of policies that don't go along with, of course, the kind of global order
Starting point is 00:19:41 that some people want to push, the global reset, immigration, you know, nationalism. Those are key important issues that Poland and Hungary hold close to their heart. That, of course, is different than the rest of Europe. And that's why we're seeing the Biden administration kind of set its eyes on that specific region, because they're going to be implementing policies that are going to affect it in very negative ways. And you especially see this with Hungary, where you had the State Department actually funding opposition media in Hungary. The reason why they particularly dislike that country
Starting point is 00:20:08 is because Hungary is trying to get the NGOs out of the country. The NGOs are, of course, arms of US influence abroad. They're all funded by USAID or the State Department. Didn't they ban Soros? They banned the Soros NGOs.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Yes, it was quite a while ago. You know, it's interesting. I think you were telling me something, Luke, because I grew up on the south side of Chicago in a very Polish neighborhood. And, of course, there's always this stereotype about Polish people not being smart. You mentioned that it was because the Soviet
Starting point is 00:20:34 Union executed the intelligentsia of Poland. Yes. Well, when Russia came in, they took a lot of the professionals, whether doctors, whether professors, teachers, and they executed a lot of them or, whether doctors, whether professors, teachers, and they executed a lot of them or sent some of them to Siberia in order to gain cultural control of larger institutions that they were able to implement communism that the Polish people hated and they
Starting point is 00:20:57 resisted. And that's one of the reasons why this kind of labeling by the Russians as Poles as being stupid is kind of prevalent. But also, if you look at it, Polish people actually have a very high IQ, especially compared to that region. But specifically, it didn't work. But another thing I want to bring up, because I saw a tweet, I don't know exactly who said this, but it was by a left-wing verified user talking about how he wants to make sure that Trump supporters can't ever be teachers, professors, and any kind of workers that have any kind of work that has kind of powers to be a boss. Or to influence young people. Yes, I don't know the exact tweet, so I don't want to mention it directly.
Starting point is 00:21:37 But we're seeing kind of similar epithets being issued by blue checkmark verified Twitter users that are worrying and that do echo some other historical timelines that are troublesome. And John Brennan saying that no one who served in the Trump administration should ever get a job anywhere else. It reminds me of de-barthification in Iraq, where anyone who was part of the barth party, you can't let them do anything. They're excluded from society. And it's the same people doing it. That's literally what we were talking about yesterday that brought onto the onset of ISIS. That was one of the key moves,
Starting point is 00:22:08 according to many strategists, that brought ISIS to the national stage was that particular move that you brought up. Sorry, go ahead, Tim. No, I was going to say, I think the thing
Starting point is 00:22:16 you were saying about Poland is really interesting because, yeah, they wanted to get rid of the intelligentsia, the thought leaders, the cultural leaders in Poland. And we're seeing
Starting point is 00:22:24 a similar thing with mass censorship. They want to take out the influential people of right-wing populism. And at the same time, what you see with Poland is a deep hatred for communism and fascism or Nazism because they were oppressed by both. So now you have this country that's like, we're going to defend the right of our citizens because we know exactly what it leads to, regardless of if you're left wing or right wing. I remember seeing a meme recently and it said dangerous tools of insurrection. And it had a guitar and it had a paintbrush. And we have to understand here, the bigger cultural aspects and institutions are pretty much more and more political for a reason. And they're extorting a lot of that power, a lot of that kind of culture, a lot of that kind of influence in ways that really should make people question
Starting point is 00:23:11 what's really going on here. But you can tell how the tech companies really messed up because it's not just Poland and Hungary who have been opposed to Inland Sensitive for a while, and Poland was working on this before the Trump bans, so was Hungary. But it's also alarmed Germany and France and the UK and Australia. Because, you know, all of those countries, you know, they run by fairly, you know, neoliberal or left-wing governments, especially Germany. And they have hate speech laws on the books. But they look at what Silicon Valley is doing and are thinking, well, hold on.
Starting point is 00:23:41 It's our job to define what hate speech is. That's a job of our national parliaments, our governments. We're not going to have Silicon Valley come in and set the rules for us. Yeah, many people don't understand in large parts of Europe, if you utter some words together, you literally will end up in jail. There's people who just said particular sounds, they are in jail. We in the United States have an amazing right that's inherent for, I think, everyone to be able to exercise our free speech defines hate speech, that's governed by some form of parliamentary procedure. There's a democratic process.
Starting point is 00:24:32 It's transparent. They can't just change it overnight. And they can't apply it arbitrarily. It has to apply to everyone according to the law. And there's accountability in a court proceeding that happens. Sorry, go ahead. Indeed. And whereas Silicon Valley, they can change it overnight.
Starting point is 00:24:44 They can apply it just to one set of people and not to another uh and uh the consequences can potentially be more severe you can lose your entire livelihood your entire business whereas in europe mostly you might get a fine uh it was count danker the writer got like an 800 pound fine is that worse than being demonetized and by youtube i think demonetized is worse but follow following the arrest and the smears, he did get that as well. You know, it was an arrest. It was a charge. It was, you know, criminal trial. And then Silicon Valley piles on. Exactly. Exactly. I'll tell you what's scarier than Twitter banning someone. What's scary is banks banning people or vendors banning people. What we're seeing now is one of the most, look, I'll say the word dystopian, nightmarish,
Starting point is 00:25:25 all that stuff. But let me just stress this point. We are in this space now where almost every corporation is terrified of everyone walking in lockstep and banning any wrong thinker. It doesn't matter if there's a government doing it. This is scarier. There's no head to this hydra or the snake. It is literally a chicken with no head running around freaking out.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And so you'll get. So there was there was a tweet where some guy was applying for a company. They found out that he was a Trump supporter and he had actively supported Trump, you know, quite heavily. So they were just like they fired him. That's where we're headed. We're headed to where the company will say something like, look, man, voted for the guy but you know the activists so we can't hire you and then you see what happens to parlor what you see what you see what the ceo of parlor just said he doesn't think parlor's coming back it may it may never return wow yep because no one will work with them
Starting point is 00:26:19 and the left says see the free market i'm like it's a really good point about the problems of a free market in that there could be an ideology behind whether or not anyone would do business with you. I mean, I would argue, I guess, philosophically, a free market is free from overarching ideologies that would impede or shut down. But where we're at now, it is worse. It is the Mexican standoff of cancel culture. Every single person now, whether they like it or not, are scared about what will happen. There are companies that I know, or I should say I have friends who are associated with certain companies.
Starting point is 00:26:54 They like Trump or they love Trump or they're neutral and don't care. But they all recognize if anyone finds out, we'll lose everything. Why? Because everyone is scared of everyone else. No one knows who's going to be the person to raise the pitchfork. Why are you scared of these people? The only way that stops if people say, I don't care. You can yell on the internet. So what? I mean, John Stuart Mill talked about the tyranny of the majority where everyone sort of behaves in a way and, you know, clamps down on it. But this is less tyranny of
Starting point is 00:27:24 the majority. Because then if you ask the majority of people do you think uh you know people who support trump should be able to have jobs i mean i think most people would agree with that this is a kind it's tyranny of herd behavior right of a very specific group of people who are in power and all believe this but it's a very small group of people who just happen to be running all the corporations it is it is people scared of being called a racist. And so they're like, but if I serve this person, then they'll call me a racist. So what? God, just grow up, man. I can't believe that there are businesses that were like, we can't do, we can't work
Starting point is 00:27:53 with you, parlor. We're scared. Yeah, that's pathetic. And you know what? This is on conservatives too. You have to vote with your dollars. Do not support anybody who would bow and bend to this herd uh you know what did you call it herd tyranny yeah tyranny of the herd of the herd behavior right we can't we we can't do this if someone's
Starting point is 00:28:12 going to bend the knee to a bunch of screaming people then we're not going to be able to function all right so you need to be able to run your business and stand up for what you believe in and yet the problem is i think republicans the party, is a spineless mess of, I'm sorry, spineless is not fair. It's a bowl of spaghetti. It's a bunch of wet noodles flopping around in Congress who for years knew this problem existed. And you know what I said in 2018? I said Republicans are too stupid to know, you know, they're too stupid to address the problem of big tech censorship. And that's the politicians. There are some people who have consistently brought Republicans who have brought forth
Starting point is 00:28:49 bills, challenging this, calling out big tech, my respect to them. But most of them have just been flopping around like wet noodles doing whatever they're told. Then you end up with someone like Jared Kushner. Brad Parscale tells Donald Trump, get on parlor, get on a different platform. And then Trump says, what do you think to Jared? And Kushner goes, no, don't do it. And Trump goes, OK, and now here you are. Now, hold on. Trump's lucky because while he may not have had the understanding or experience to actually solve this and was getting bad advice from people like Kushner, other people saw it coming. And lo and behold, Gab.com has archived and backed up the real donald trump account
Starting point is 00:29:26 verified 1.2 million followers and all of his tweets up to the point i think there's some tweets that are missing but for the most part his entire account is here with videos and statements and at any point trump could just use it now my question is right now why isn't trump using it why doesn't he still just go on, use Gab? There it is. Well, he'd overload the site for sure because they have their own infrastructure. But at a certain point, Trump should just, okay, I'll use whatever platform I can. He's one of those stupid Republicans, man.
Starting point is 00:29:58 I think Trump's old. And I don't even know if he – actually, I'll tell you this. There was a uh donald trump schedule post went out i don't know if it was real but it said something like trump is going to be working very very hard he'll be working all day working very hard and people are having many meetings yes phone calls and people are like did trump write this like it sounds just like he wrote it yeah did you saw that i did yeah so maybe it's just that he doesn't have any advice anymore and he's just not talking to anybody and he's sitting around like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Was it written in Sharpie? Well, it was typed out. Because it was him. And we'll have many, many meetings and phone calls. But this is great, what Gab did. Because even if you don't like the president or if you like the president, this is an important historical record where major events unfolded on that Twitter account that are historically relevant. So, I mean, the bigger question that you kind of mentioned here, what's stopping him? I don't think anything
Starting point is 00:30:49 should be. I think he should be using any kind of platform that promotes free speech. He just did this statement saying like no violence and all that. But he also said, I want to call out the big tech censorship. Well, bro, just go on. Get on Gab. Yeah, go on. Yeah, get on Gab. There you go. I mean, there needs to be industry-wide reform to a number of industries,
Starting point is 00:31:10 including banking, including credit cards, including big tech, because you can't have a situation where you've got a two-tiered society where some people have access to the economy and some people don't. But I will say Gab.com
Starting point is 00:31:20 is the one example of build your own actually working because they had many, many challenges. They lost their web host. They lost their DNS registrar. But they overcame all that. They built their own servers. They're building their own phones.
Starting point is 00:31:31 They're building their own phones. They built their own web browser. Servers, yeah. I mean, they're having trouble handling the traffic right now. They've got a huge surge. They're bringing more servers online. But, you know, they're still up and running. They haven't taken them out. Although I will say, just today, we're seeing that now the desperation of the people who don't want internet freedom,
Starting point is 00:31:49 the Anti-Defamation League has petitioned the Justice Department to launch a criminal investigation into Gab for hosting violent content. Well, there you go. See, now they're trying to get into the criminal realm, but we got a constitution constitution we'll see how that plays out now here's where it gets real real scary h best hsbc says customers who refuse to wear a face mask will have their accounts withdrawn the lender reiterated the face masks are mandatory in all branches unless legally exempt warning customers that non-compliance could result in accounts being closed now that is where things are getting worrisome. Now look, look. I got no problem wearing a mask.
Starting point is 00:32:29 I really don't care. I don't know. People really don't like it. They want to defy it. I get it. Some people really are medically exempt. But the issue is not so much about, you know, but they should wear a mask. You know, it's an issue of when you threaten someone's access to the economy in general.
Starting point is 00:32:43 When we're already at a point where like 99 99 of all currency is digital and not even physical that people would lose the right to bank that that cancel culture why do we not have national banks what's going on why do we have private banks all over the place it's crazy i mean there's problems with national banks too well at least the government can control them and And that's us. We have the opportunity to control them and say, no, you can't censor American citizens. You think you could petition Nancy Pelosi to do something? It's a big problem because we're in a situation where these private companies, we need to protect ourselves. We need to use our government. I'm not a huge fan of using the government. But in this case, we have global private companies that are threatening our sovereignty.
Starting point is 00:33:28 And we need to use our government to protect us. Right, but not national banks, probably a regulation. Well, good news on this. One of the good things that Trump did right just in the past few months was an order from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which is an office I didn't know existed. But they put out a regulation against debanking. I'm not sure if it's gone through yet. They were doing the whole notice and comment period where they were taking in feedback from the public.
Starting point is 00:33:53 But it specifically said people have been trying to use banks for political reasons to withdraw service from the gun industry, from private prisons. And this new rule essentially says that if you're going to withdraw service to someone, it must be because of financial risk. So, you know, because of defaulted loans or, you know, the normal reasons why you wouldn't extend service to someone. That's good. There still is the problem that there are attacks that activists do where they use fraudulent
Starting point is 00:34:22 cards to cause massive chargebacks and massive fraud you know that's what happened to gab actually that is a problem yeah well what's next if you don't bend the knee your bank account's going to be deleted i mean it's absolutely ridiculous they already did and i was that's that was my next point there's a large number of people that had their bank accounts taken away because of their political opinion and when we look at hsbc they don't have the best reputation themselves. If you remember at Occupy Wall Street, me and you actually met HSBC whistleblower. We actually talked about even doing a bigger story with another news organization about that, that exposed, we were the first story that kind of broke it, how HSBC helped terrorist Iran Mexican drug cartels
Starting point is 00:35:01 launder money. And that was another huge issue about a record of this company that did awful things now lecturing us about what is right and good for you. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I'm not going to take their advice seriously because they don't get to choose what I do in my own personal life. Well, look, I think I need to change my bank account. So HSBC in the US and in the UK. Look, if there's a physical building, it's privately owned, and they say you have to wear a mask, the extent to what their powers should be is please leave until you have a mask on.
Starting point is 00:35:30 That's it. Banking needs some kind of protections. Look, man, it's remarkable that I've always been in favor of curtailing power, be it government or corporate power. So I'm in favor of regulations. I'm in favor of leveraging government against corporations that are too big, too powerful, especially individuals who would use that power and access to manipulate the political sphere.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Because if we don't deal with that, and perhaps it's too late, you know, I've heard this, you know, in the past decade or so from the left, that it's too late to actually make a difference. Because we are a, remember remember that city bank report you guys remember this back in like it was during act by wall street they said the u.s the u.s government is no longer a democratic republic or a constitutional republic it is a plutonomy where the ruling class of elites and wealthy control everything and there was a study that showed that public perception and public opinion had no impact at all on legislation.
Starting point is 00:36:25 None. And that the impact was the opinions of lobbyists and the wealthy elites. That's what Occupy Wall Street was upset with. And you know what's interesting? I actually think Donald Trump is the evolution of Occupy Wall Street in many ways. Don't get me wrong. Bernie Sanders was some of it. It's like Occupy split a little bit.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Then he went to Bernie. Interestingly, though,ernie sold out and went full-on establishment he retained a lot of those people from occupy probably because their issues during occupy was more i don't know social justice but a lot of the people who supported trump were were many of them were occupy wall street uh activists i remember i was at the deplorable when you know just before trump was getting inaugurated and there were people there who saw me and they're like, Hey, we're big fans. And I was like, wow, Trump supporters, you know, big fans of mine. And they're like, Oh yeah, we were, we were a big occupy wall street activists. And I was like, really? And they're like, Oh yeah. This is why Trump won in 2016 because he called out the, uh, the plutonomy that he did call it
Starting point is 00:37:21 something different. He said, there's a class of global elites that get away with everything and run everything. You don't really have a democratic republic anymore. He's basically saying the same thing that was in that report. street and hsbc there was a huge backlash against the banks specifically hsbc for this money laundering where they ended up paying a 1.9 billion dollar fine in 2012 for that horrible action that they were caught with their parents on the laundering for drug cartels uh so again found their cudgel bro yeah so they can get away with the worst atrocities these big corporations man i love it these big corporations disney the we the thanking the uh the paramilitary group in in was it jin jang where the the weaker muslims are in concentration again thank you for for helping us produce this movie and then they can come out with all of their social justice narratives and
Starting point is 00:38:20 statements and everyone just rolls with it you know what i think the reality is though they got their useful idiots they got their their personalities who hate trump and everyone just rolls with it. You know what I think the reality is, though? They got their useful idiots. They got their personalities who hate Trump and just want to own the cons and all that stuff. I think most people get it, though. I think most people understand there's a problem with big corporations. Unfortunately, many of them got wrapped up in Trump derangement syndrome because the strategy from the major media and these companies works.
Starting point is 00:38:44 You just keep screaming Black Lives Matter is OK. And then you blame the Trump supporters for everything. And when that narrative is just repeated over and over and over, what ends up happening is you've got people who only watch mainstream news and every every version of a Trump supporter they see is the angry, loud, spitting, disrespectful lunatic. And they don't see a regular person. You know, they don't see a Will Chamberlain, for instance. We just referenced one of his articles.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Suit wearing, lawyer, calm, very vanilla. They don't see that. Oh, excuse me. I'm all dressed up for this appearance. But right. But like you could you could go to a you know, I was just I was just out shopping. And the lady, you know, at the store, she's like a Trump supporter. And she's a regular little ladies like, you know, serving baked goods.
Starting point is 00:39:27 They see the TV. They live in big cities, so they don't encounter very many Trump supporters. And if they do, those people won't admit it. So they don't realize it. And they watch the CNN and they just rag on Trump all day and night. And then they're told all the riots are good. And that shapes their worldview. And they don't realize.
Starting point is 00:39:42 I think you mentioned it earlier that the left and the right populists agree on a lot more than they disagree on. But it's an excellent way to get away with slave labor and concentration camps because all they got to do is put out their little commercial where they're like, we are for social justice and then put up a rainbow flag. And that's it. No outrage, No media complaints. And it really does come down to where you stand on the woke stuff. Where do you stand on critical race theory or feminism or something? That's what divides a lot of people. And some people theorize that corporations support woke stuff for precisely this reason.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I don't agree with that. I think they genuinely believe this stuff. But it's inconsequential at the end of the day. And this is what allows the sort of uniparty to maintain power. You know what? I hear what you're saying. And I've just had a realization. I've been wrong this whole time.
Starting point is 00:40:36 The woke stuff is good. It's great. Ian, did you know the Federal Reserve is run by old white men? Well, let's burn it down then. No, no, no, no, no. We need to get the old white men out and divers know the Federal Reserve is run by old white men? Well, let's burn it down then. No, no, no, no, no, no. We need to get the old white men out and diversify the Federal Reserve. We need new rules, new regulations, and we need hard oversight to make sure that all of the people who are sitting in seats of power at the Federal Reserve are no longer there anymore because they're white men. Down with the patriarchy.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Down with the patriarchy. All right, we're all in agreement. Everybody agrees that the banking system is run by old white men, which it is, and therefore we need diversity in the banking system. No, don't use evil to accomplish your goals. I'm kidding. The joke is, I'm curious because we did mention this the other day, like where is anyone to just be like, screw it. Okay, I'm down with the wokeness. Hey, look, the military industrial complex is a bunch of white people too.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Well, that's like using evil to accomplish your goals. That's part of the problem with using fascism to get Trump out of office, to use social media. Exactly, right. It's like you shouldn't use evil and use fascism to defeat your enemy. Because it doesn't work. It defeats your enemy enemy but it keeps fascism that's what yeah it might destroy your enemy but you're gonna create what you use the system you use so if you're using hatred you know you're just gonna like you know i was i was thinking about uh
Starting point is 00:41:54 the banking systems and all this stuff and how really weird it is that it's just numbers typed in a computer and then a ledger keeping track of it. And that's it. That's all the money system really is. It's powerful elites who run the banks, who decide who has access to resources. It's essentially what we have now in this centralized banking system is a way to control absolute power in a country or countries while convincing people that they're voting in democratic institutions. And the other way to control them is, you know, voting in democratic institutions. And the other way to control them is, of course, the tech giants. Now that's how you control communication. And that's why they'll crush all any and all competition.
Starting point is 00:42:35 That's why Parler was just obliterated. If Trump, in the middle of the night, without saying a word to anyone, signed up for Parler and then posted, Trump is here, they would not have been able to have banned Parler. It would have been too much. Too many people would have known. It would have able to have banned parlor it would have been too much too many people would have known it would have been a major story and it would have been too much no i think they would have done i don't think they really cared i think that might have even made them more determined to crush par i disagree i think the story would have been it would have been too much for the average person to see that they annihilated an entire social network because trump joined it they They got rid of Parler before Trump joined it, and they used BS reasons.
Starting point is 00:43:08 They, you know, Amazon said, we don't believe you'll be effective in your moderation. What does that even mean? How do you break a contract on what you believe might happen? Is it as bad? What could they do that would be worse than letting hang Mike Pence trend, which is what Twitter did? Or the fact now that it's starting to come out the the capital uh riots was was organized on facebook glenn greenwald reported that first and now facebook's going uh well actually how do you answer for that yeah and there's even fbi reports of a supposed war
Starting point is 00:43:37 coming to the capital with them knowing that there was a major clash point happening there that they chose to what looks like ignore and nothing was really done about it at all so that's yet another kind of thing to really kind of consider here moving forward facebook is responsible i mean it's not surprising you know if you want to defend facebook by all means you can go ahead and do it it's the biggest platform everybody use it so of course they're gonna use their organizing tools the problem i have isn't to blame facebook because they exist the problem i have is the concerted effort from Silicon Valley to crush any rivals using fake reasons, like saying Parler had extremist content and they were organizing on Parler. Well, as the CEO of Parler pointed out, we have no organizing system.
Starting point is 00:44:18 There's no way to organize events on Parler. Facebook has events and groups. Parler doesn't. It doesn't make sense. And Amazon claimed that they didn't believe the moderation would work. Why? Because the reality was Parler was removing the threats and the violence. They were doing exactly as they were supposed to, exactly as their rules stated, and getting rid of illegal content. So Amazon had to say, well, we don't
Starting point is 00:44:39 think future moderation will be effective because the reality was current moderation was. And that's how they justify crushing it. And then what is you know you have these useful idiots sycophants it's like you guys ever watch that cartoon recess you ever see that you don't remember recess it's about the kids in the school inside recess and there's like i can't remember the the old nasty teacher's name and she was really mean to the kids and she had this little hunchback kid who was like her henchman who would always do what she wanted. That's journalism. Awesome. That's journalism, right? It's like Igor. They're like hobbling next to the establishment elites of the corporations. Yes, Hillary, tell me what to do. Oh, Democrats. Yes, you're a bad guy. You're a
Starting point is 00:45:18 bad guy. Tell me that I'm doing a good job, Democrats. That's the media. Yeah. The media has really been an engine of big tech censorship even more than the tech companies themselves i think because every time a tech company wasn't censoring enough wasn't doing it fast enough or whatever you'd have this huge media campaign to start an ad boycott they did that to youtube with the apocalypse they did it to facebook just last summer because they weren't censoring enough of donald trump's ads so they've tech companies have to deal with that ever-present threat. If they don't play ball, the media will start an ad boycott. Well, that's even according to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez with her statement today who was saying that social media companies aren't censoring enough of speech.
Starting point is 00:45:57 And she, quote, wants to rein in the media to stop the spread of disinformation. Those are her words that she used as you know today as of course she was also calling for the banning of parlor she was also suggesting putting trump supporters on lists so they could be quote held accountable for their actions and and again when we look at alexandria ocasio-cortez she's kind of this kind of thought leader of the left that's very popular that's always promoted always pushed but she's pushing for some of the worst authoritarian draconian measures that you could ever imagine and for some reason no one is even questioning it or or trying to say hey this is not a good
Starting point is 00:46:35 idea of antifa not look listen you know antifa has created a culture of mainstream establishment protection to where it's like what I was saying about these businesses that fall in line and ban Parler because they're scared. CNN, MSNBC will defend Antifa. Why?
Starting point is 00:46:51 Because they're terrified of them. That's why when you saw that MSNBC guy, whatever his name was, standing in front of a building with like 50 foot tall flames and he goes, it's mostly peaceful.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Why? He was standing around these people. Could you imagine what would happen if you walked into a crowd of Antifa and Black Lives Matter who were burning down buildings and said, these violent lunatics
Starting point is 00:47:09 are destroying buildings and setting fire. They'd be like, shut them down. They were trying to obfuscate it when rioters were rioting and breaking into the CNN building in Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:47:19 They're like, oh, it was so amazing to see the perplexing reporting that was happening when they were getting attacked in their own headquarters. And they were just having the most difficult time trying to break down what was happening here. Look, man, this is the problem that conservatives and Trump supporters have. It is the powerful establishment elites are dangling keys in front of the Trump supporters in the direction of political institutions.
Starting point is 00:47:45 And that's what the Trump supporters are looking at. Meanwhile, upstream, where the politics comes from, the culture, the left has already taken over and they're using that against Trump supporters. So when they when the Trump supporters go to the Capitol, everyone says that's horrible. Why would you do that? But when the left goes with pitchforks to, you know, big tack to Silicon Valley, to the universities and spray paints things on the walls and starts fires and burns down whole cities well that scares everybody into getting whipped into line i would say i don't know it was andrew
Starting point is 00:48:14 brightbud who said politics is downstream from cult culture right the question is all i mean how do you change that how do you change the culture when they have control over the institutions the education system hollywood now the big tech companies the algorithms the algorithms so i mean the internet was helping for a while uh i was saying you know that the one uh foothold that conservatives have in culture every single meme that millennials use probably came from 4chan or reddit one of these very politically incorrect places right but now they're shutting the internet off as well now reddit is very far left oh yeah reddit is now but not always not always right it used to be used to be free for all yeah and they purged everything the number one post on reddit that i saw today was a picture of
Starting point is 00:48:54 charlie kirk saying that he's a domestic terrorist everyone upvote this if you agree he's a domestic terrorist and it reached number one on all right and it was shocking seeing the comments because there's a lot of trump supporters that don't like charlie kirk yeah and he's he's he's more of the establishment kind of rhino republican and not even the kind of outsider that a lot of people expect him to be what i do like is i'll go on reddit sometimes and there will be uh a charlie kirk meme where they make his face really small and that's funny though like making fun of somebody and you're like whatever it's like okay yeah it's a funny meme his face shr small. And that's funny, though, like making fun of somebody and you're like, whatever.
Starting point is 00:49:26 It's like, OK, it's a funny meme. His face shrinks as the more he says conservative things. But when they say domestic terrorist, when they say threat to our safety, that's the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that leads to real world violence. I'm not saying they can't say it. Don't get me wrong, because I believe in free speech. I'm just saying they shouldn't be going out claiming that the right is engaging in violent hate speech when it's literally what they do the crazy thing about it is the dominant like you know the front page of red at the top of all it's dominated by like four like three different ocasio-cortez
Starting point is 00:49:53 profiles all they do is repost aoc's tweets and then upvote them straight to the top right that's what the donald got banned for and now here we are with the exact same problem which shows the people who ran reddit it's funny because i used to i used to know them i used to hang i've been i used to hang out their offices every so often a couple times not like a whole lot and they used to just be very much you know what people like they like what they up what they upvote and then i guess they're in a city and you had you know let me let me tell you something i talked to some very powerful democratic donors who are looking at ways to create apps that would function like social media platforms and would but actually be
Starting point is 00:50:30 like campaign tools like the idea at first this is a long time ago it's like 2014 they were like how do we create an app for the campaign that functions like reddit and so i had meetings with people and they never really went anywhere and then to see what's happened now with the with the astroturfing of a place like Reddit. If you post a conservative opinion or even a moderate one, you're obliterated. You're gone.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Your comment doesn't exist. Everything is dominated by the left, but the extremist tribal left. It's not even about, this is why I said earlier, it's tribalism. It's not even about economic policy. Like think about if I came forward
Starting point is 00:51:01 and I said, I believe we should have more progressive tax brackets. They'd be like, well, you're far right. In what capacity is that far? It doesn't matter. Because tribalism has nothing to do with what your politics are.
Starting point is 00:51:11 It has to do with who you align with. That's like the tribalist is like the distant hand of the control of the culture, which is the rich people. It's the money. And it has been for probably since the beginning of time, since the creation of or wealth in general used to be gold it was salt and then in the 70s they turned it into fiat so now it's just whoever has the most numbers in their bank account but now there's this for the last 50 years it's been such a mind f screw that like people don't know who who controls the culture and there's like this this this combat conflict at the top and now there's cryptocurrency appearing but it's the rich people that are
Starting point is 00:51:52 controlling the culture which then it is politics and they're using these tribalist ventures to god forbid create war but i think maybe like the Great Reset and they really want the United States to fight itself because it's standing in the way of like a socialist dictatorship. The problem is where power actually lies in society has been kind of concealed for a while. People still think that, you know, the Senate or the House of Representatives is really important. That's really just political theater. Just look at how they behave with the tech giants, right? They bring them in for hearings every few months and then do absolutely nothing after the hearings most power now now lies in the federal bureaucracy political power anyway
Starting point is 00:52:32 and the rest of the power lies as we've seen in the tech giants with the banks with the corporations i think it's almost like the elections i've often felt have been pointless and only after donald trump won did i go like wow you, maybe voting is it does matter. Like, wow, I can't believe Trump won. But now I still feel very similarly. Trump won. And so what? No, honestly, look, he won.
Starting point is 00:52:54 The Republicans were in power. They didn't do anything. They didn't give they didn't help Trump at all. They just sit on their hands. And I think it's basically what you said. It's it's it's almost like they're, you know, like Queen Elizabeth. Everybody loves her, you know, in the UK. But what does she do?
Starting point is 00:53:08 She is the head of state, but they say her role is mostly ceremonial. She does have the executive authority, right, to like override and make these. Yeah. But she never does. In theory, but she never does. And that's what I feel like we have now when you watch that hearing where Ted Cruz, he's like, you're censoring conservatives. And it's like, that's right, Ted. You tell them that afterwards. What are you going to do? Yeah, what are you going to
Starting point is 00:53:28 do? Now, again, there are some Republicans who have presented bills to do stuff, and then no one sponsored them, they don't get voted on, they don't go anywhere. So it's almost kind of just ceremonial at this point. Yep. Are you guys prequel fans? The Star Wars prequels? Remember how in the Phantom Menace, the Phantom Menace somehow got politics right. OK, because the entire first half of the movie is about the queen of the planet who's just been invaded trying to get to the Republic Senate and make a case. And when she gets there, she's asked for they demand more proof of this so-called invasion. And the chancellor says, well, he'll have a committee discuss it. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Somehow they got American politics right there there that was a perfect allegory yeah i think what you said about the kind of corporate elite being in charge is absolutely true and when we really look at it it's it's not just a corporate elite it's a corporate banking billionaire elite that's absolutely unaccountable and commits some of the worst human atrocities that they're never held accountable for, whether it's Monsanto, BP, Coca-Cola, Nike. They have a horrendous record of abuse of civil rights, of human rights abuses that deserve to be addressed, and yet they're lecturing us about how we should live our lives. They're lecturing us about social justice. It's absolutely absurd, but they're becoming more emboldened with what they could think that they could get away with with telling us to do. And I don't understand how people are okay with this and totally forget the history of union organizers being killed by cartel members, which a lot of people point directly to Coca-Cola for organizing.
Starting point is 00:54:59 You see that meme? The left used to understand this, but then they got distracted by transgender pronouns. Yes. You see this meme where it's a pig with a monocle and a top hat, and it says, buy our product. And there's an Antifa guy, and he's yelling. And then below it, it says, buy our product, but product is big and rainbow. And the person takes his mask off and is like, oh. I guess that works. You know, it's amazing to me how you have this tribalism on the left, which I believe is really rooted in not entirely, but mostly rooted in hating conservatives and thinking they're evil.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Whereas, as the saying goes, you know, the left thinks conservatives are evil. The conservatives thinks that the left is misguided. Conservatives care about being left alone. Simple policy. It's often the arguments you'll hear from right-wing individuals, not entirely. The left, they do argue for things like universal health care and stuff, but at least online, it's very much owning the cons. You do have the right version of that, but what I've noticed is that where do the seats of power lie on the left and the right? On the right, it is not the QAnon people.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Certainly they're influential in their own right. And that's kind of, you know, weird. But the most prominent voices and the most powerful and largest are like a conservative ink, you know, run of the mill, mainstream. Look at Ben Shapiro. He is your typical conservative. He is particularly mainstream, you know, in terms of left or right. Look at the left, though. It's Ocasio-Cortez, 12 million followers, getting know, in terms of left or right. Look at the left, though.
Starting point is 00:56:25 It's Ocasio-Cortez, 12 million followers, getting 100,000 concurrent views, not moderate mainstream Democrats. So the Overton window is shifted to the left. And it's remarkable when I hear the left say it's shifted right. I'm like, do you know anything about the past decade of politics? Trump, it's like less war. You know, what are you talking about? When they said when I guess, you know, it's funny. it's nationalism when you don't want to go blow up other countries and
Starting point is 00:56:48 it's a bad thing i guess what about we saw i keep thinking about the saudi princes like we talk about the wealthy elite of the globe as the banking system but how do the princes and the kings of saud tie into this because they say like elon's the richest man in the world but he's not he's just the richest man on the books you have the saudi king and the princes that are like trillionaires you know they own the country and all the people in it um and the united states sold them a bunch of weapons like trump yeah but that's sold out sold us out to saudi arabia that's not trump it's it's it's the u.s he did a weapons deal and it's the u. And it's the office of the presidency. He authorized it. It includes Trump.
Starting point is 00:57:26 But it's Trump. It's Obama. It's Bush. It's Clinton. It's all of them. When you said he was like a holdover of Occupy Wall Street, I don't agree. I just think he happened to be rich, but he's a sellout. He would have sold us out in a heartbeat.
Starting point is 00:57:37 He did. No, I think Trump was a raging bull that was stampeding through the ivory tower. And so Occupy Wall Street people were like – this is really interesting because split you had bernie sanders challenging the machine but then he joined the machine and then you had donald trump who was as wealthy billionaire elite who then started ranting and raving about how he didn't like it and challenging the establishment it's kind of weird how that twist occurred but i think you had a lot of people from occupy who eventually just threw their arms in the air and said send in the bull like you know what man what's going to fix this just have him romp about for a little bit yeah i mean it's from Occupy who eventually just threw their arms in the air and said, send in the bull. Like, you know what, man?
Starting point is 00:58:05 What's going to fix this? Just have him romp about for a little bit. Yeah, I mean, so here's my take on Trump. I mean, he was, as you said, you know, the raging bull. He couldn't be controlled. He was genuinely outside this system and they couldn't control him. But once he actually got power, he just got kind of completely ruled by the establishment. You know, they got all the establishment
Starting point is 00:58:25 republicans got their people in the administration and nothing really started happening until the last year of the administration you know you know who i think is one of the most evil people on the planet is jack dorsey i really do mean it especially having talked to him a couple years ago and we've had some chat back and forth on twitter and twitter DMs and stuff. I think his whole shtick is doing dramatically evil things and then, you know, putting up, putting a layer of, you know, covering it up and burying it under some, you know, lie about wanting to be better and do the right thing and how we're just, it's so hard for us because he's got this statement he just put out, Lydia pulled it up, where he talks about, he says, I do not celebrate or feel pride in having to ban real Donald Trump from Twitter.
Starting point is 00:59:08 We're trying so hard to to build a new system, blah, blah, blah. I don't believe it. I think Jack is completely self-centered. He is completely authoritarian. He's one of the worst possible like like versions of this idea of I'm smarter than you and I know it. You poor stupid person. So you think he's like a modern Robespierre? Not necessarily.
Starting point is 00:59:29 I mean, Robespierre was psychotic. He wasn't at first. They called him the uncorruptible. So you're saying when Twitter tweeted yesterday that they strongly condemn internet shutdowns that are, quote, hugely harmful because they violate basic human rights and the principles of the hashtag open internet that they weren't genuine and honest this is psychological abuse where it's the it's the same it's it's it's a it is as if he is punching you repeatedly in the stomach while saying he's so sorry but it's your own fault and for your own good it is psychotic what jack has
Starting point is 01:00:02 consistently done for the past several years, promising roads to redemption and decentralization and blockchain technology. We're going to do all these great things. We're going to help everybody. He is the spokesperson for gaslighting duplicitousness. And that's what he's doing right now. Twitter nuked 70,000 accounts, and they were not QAnon accounts. One of them was Carrie Smith's account, Unsafe Spaces, which was just an intellectual dark web kind of middle of the road, liberal anti-woke account. There was also a, some, some podcasts that were center left, but anti-woke that got banned. And then Jack comes out and says,
Starting point is 01:00:35 Oh, but we're trying so hard. No, what he's doing to you is smacking you across the face. And then he's saying it's for your own good. Why do you make me do this to you? And he says it every single time. And you keep going back to him. I am so sick of Twitter. I said it before. I was like, I'm not going to use it. And I started using it again. But I really do mean it. When I said I wasn't going to use Twitter meaningfully anymore, I'm just going to post whatever. I did it. I did. I used to post my videos. I used to post articles. I used to actively engage. Now I've slown all that down. I'll still post some articles here and there I think are important.
Starting point is 01:01:07 But now I just basically I've been trolling. It's really what I do. I'll post something like, you know, I tweeted, if history has taught us anything, it's always trust the government to let us know about the ongoing legitimacy of all these threats and to give up their power. And I just don't care anymore. Twitter is a trash platform led by extremely wealthy, manipulative authoritarians who think you are all too stupid to run your own government. And and he knows, you know what? He can keep doing this. But I think people realize that he's full of it. That tweet about Uganda coming right after this election, where just a couple of months ago, Twitter blocked one of the most consequential stories
Starting point is 01:01:45 of this election to protect Joe Biden. The Hunter Biden story was blocked and shut down. The New York Post was suspended. And then Jack is like, well, it's a really hard decision. Hack materials. Shut up. I've got active tweets right now that are very serious violations of Twitter's rules that are a threat to me and my family.
Starting point is 01:02:01 They will not remove. Why? And Jack knows me because they are evil people who don't care. They are duplicitous authoritarians. I am sick of Twitter, man. I'm sick of reading about what Jack is lying to about this time. Meanwhile, he's making all this money and he doesn't actually care to help anybody. Oh, but you know what they do?
Starting point is 01:02:19 These ultra wealthy people use that extraction of resources. Like everything that's been happening over the past year. We have extracted all of our resources. They love it. And then what do they do? You get people like Mackenzie Bezos dumping all of it into more manipulative, fundamentalist, leftist dogma. And it's only it's going to keep going.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Now, I'll tell you what the solution is. Gab's got it. Gab's got it right. Persuasion. It is it is about being resourceful,, and doing hard work. Gab built their own infrastructure. Try and take them down. They're going to keep doing it. That's what you got to do. The other thing I think is when we talk about politics being downstream from culture, and you said, how do you solve that? It's easy. Go further upstream. If someone is taking a dump
Starting point is 01:03:00 in your water supply and you're like, going to get a bucket of water from the river and there's like poop floating in it, you got to go further upstream to get your water yeah max kaiser says whoever has the bitcoin makes the laws it was in clever in relation to who has the money makes the laws but in the future it's going to be the crypto yeah uh there's there's talk about government regulated like government coins like cryptocurrency made by governments usdc well china just announced that they're working on a global currency to release for everyone out there. So again, as we said, cryptocurrency could be something great, could be something that
Starting point is 01:03:32 could be used to enslave a lot of people to track, trace, and database people in a very easy system. Now, when we look at Twitter's announcement, especially with the QAnon people, they made sure to specifically say not just QAnon people, but QAnon associated content, very vague, very generalized language, no accountability, no transparency, no court of law, no reason given to individuals. Hey, why were you banned? None of that. And at least if you're going to do it, at least justify it, at least give some recourse, give some reason, give some explanation. But these people are so emboldened that they're like, we don't even have to tell you why we're
Starting point is 01:04:09 destroying your livelihood. We're destroying your communications. We're destroying your way of life, being able to actually get your ideas out there to the political discourse. We don't have churches anymore. We don't have bars. We don't have any way to communicate and talk to our fellow man except for Twitter. They are the monopoly twitter they are the
Starting point is 01:04:25 monopoly they are the highway they control it they have a toll booth and they are family friendly show i i have other language i want to use here but i'm gonna i'm just gonna stop right here could i curse in polish i don't think so i would love to i think you can actually be a bit more disparaging in polish because they they'd have to be like can we get someone who knows polish you don't have to translate a whole bunch of uh i can't even say it but don't go over the top but say something say criticize them in polish some you're buying there who who yet so never yet i'm such a good for g is shit yeah sorry i heard one word i believe that the only the one of the only that one of the few words i know in polish i think think you said, right? It's hard to control it.
Starting point is 01:05:05 It's like in, what show was it where whenever a lady would get mad, she would start speaking Spanish? She would yell at her husband. Do you remember that? I don't remember what it is. Whatever. Also, how they do these mass bannings is quite insidious, extremely insidious, because it shows you how you can't separate the privacy issue from the censorship issue it's because they know so much about us that they can pinpoint exactly who all the trump supporters are on the platform but also think about this they can also pinpoint who the undecided voters are so imagine how they're using that information in addition to using the former to
Starting point is 01:05:38 ban people i'll tell you something funny um there was you know donald trump posted to youtube and they immediately took it down and then suspend gave gave him a strike and suspended him. So I saw people posting about what Trump had posted and they were saying, someone posted, like I saw the video. It was crazy. It was Trump saying like, God calls on you to come and save this country on the 20th. And I was like, what did Donald Trump post a video? That's crazy. So I looked for it, couldn't find it. I eventually found a video claiming to be the original video. And that's what it said. It said, this is the video.
Starting point is 01:06:10 And it was like on the 20th, you know, God has given you a calling. And it was like crazy stuff. So I posted it in a group chat with some other reporters and personalities asking if anybody knew what the video was. Some people are saying this is it. And do you know what these other people saw? It just said this video, this link has been removed due to being suspicious. So they couldn't actually, some people could see it.
Starting point is 01:06:30 Some people couldn't. And then it turns out the rumor is right now, Trump posted a snippet from his speech, his statements he made at the border wall. So I don't know exactly what that video was, but even in private messages, they're banning things. I'll tell you one thing really funny. I often send myself things on Facebook. I'll use it as like a notepad.
Starting point is 01:06:49 So if like if someone sends me a story and I need to keep track of it, or if I'm looking at something to buy, I'll like just send it to myself. And I recently was looking, I sent myself a link to like buy, I don't know, it's like a panini press or something. And then I went in my messages and I was looking for the link. And then I noticed it said this has been removed or whatever. I said it to myself. Facebook went into my message to myself as a reminder and removed what I was trying to remind myself of.
Starting point is 01:07:12 I don't even know what it was. It was probably a link to BitChute or something. It's kind of like we're in the Matrix in the movie. We're on the ship and we're talking to people in the Matrix. And they're like, I'm being censored. This Matrix is censoring me. And you can't be like, go use this other matrix program in the matrix because it's all in the matrix. You have to leave the matrix.
Starting point is 01:07:32 The proprietary software with these algorithms, these proprietary algorithms are tracking you. And they're moving you around. Dude, you know what's so annoying? We turned on the TV a couple nights ago, and there was a commercial. It's my TV, and all we ever watch is Family Guy, and we got a Puppy Chow commercial. Yeah. How would they know? Hold on. I have not posted about
Starting point is 01:07:53 the dog. I have not. I've not posted anything about dogs. Luke got a dog. I'm exploiting it to the fullest extent on my Instagram, on LukeWeAreChange. But why is it that my account on my Instagram, on LukeWeAreChange. But why is it that my account on my TV, when I opened it up, a commercial played
Starting point is 01:08:10 for dog... Because the TV heard the dog barking. And I was watching the TV. So they say that they're not actually spying on audio, and that it's artificial intelligence that knows. Is it possible that the AI is so smart, it knew that I... Yeah, it's tracking Lukeke it knows that luke has a
Starting point is 01:08:26 dog probably it's right a new puppy also if you that's what it no you know what you're you're completely right it probably saw that luke and i are friends on facebook that we've actually been in the same place at the same time we're on a show together and luke went to a dog place and yep it's not so much about knowing we're on a show it's about the gps being identical and about us being friends and about luke posting about dogs well we went to that puppy store that had that uh there it is that dog that we were considering getting and we never did we went to a a uh puppy store and my phone probably logged the uh location and then they put a commercial up for it there's a beautiful dog there that we almost got by the way but we but we didn't. But there was also...
Starting point is 01:09:05 A couple. A Labradoodle. There was messages that I tried to send you regarding defensive measures and defensive stuff that I couldn't send to you. I remember trying to send you, like, hey, we should probably get this. And then the link never went through, which just shows you that should terrify someone because these companies are getting more and more powerful because data is becoming the new oil. And when we look at a lot of industries, they're absolutely dominated with knowing who a customer is, what they're doing. And with that power, they could do a lot of incredible things. And I remember this even before Donald Trump was on the political scene, that there was mainline data scientific studies talking about how Facebook and Google could rig elections. This was even before Trump. They were talking about how they could just manipulate the algorithm, manipulate the search results, and they could have an effect on elections that could sway it in either direction that they chose it to go to.
Starting point is 01:10:05 The CEO of Reddit said it. Yeah. He gave an interview and he's like, oh, yeah, we could totally swing an election. He's like, we couldn't get away for it for too long, but we could totally do it. And there was discussion saying- They probably did. I bet Reddit tried to do that. Google certainly did it.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Yeah. But for a little bit, there was discussion saying, hey, this is too much power. We should regulate this. We should stop it. We should intervene. We should break up the monopolies. But that conversation lasted for about five minutes, and then it ended, and no one else even talked about it after those data studies came out. Because they block it.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Yes. They're like, oh, no, people are going to break us up. Quick, change. Dangle keys in front of them on Facebook. Show them police brutality. The Matrix is very comfortable. They feed you nice steak that you think tastes good. They want you.
Starting point is 01:10:42 They want to keep you inside and get make you rich so you can exit the rich you can exit the matrix or you can ban the matrix so can we talk for a moment about how twitter somehow managed to make the dictatorial government of uganda look like the sympathetic party yeah right yeah that's a good point that you bring up here because the the tweet that i referenced was specifically towards an open internet but just for Uganda, not for anyone else. Yeah. I mean, the argument I think the Ugandan government is using, which, again, these are brutal dictators, but the argument they're using is, well, we don't want these companies coming and interfering in our election, banning our government ministers from their accounts. And, again, brutal dictatorship.
Starting point is 01:11:24 But are they wrong though because tech companies are i think this is pretty well known now they are arms of u.s influence abroad think about i've got to finish it in fact one of the uh probably my favorite quote from the book is from a government insider who told me that before trump the uh the state department and the foreign policy elites saw these tech platforms or social media freedom as a means of achieving regime change abroad by allowing dissidents to speak, by allowing information to get out around the government approved channels. But as soon as Trump comes along, and Brexit comes along, and populism comes
Starting point is 01:12:02 along, suddenly they start to worry, well, uh-oh, our regime might get changed. It's not that. What we've learned from the statement on Uganda was that they like the idea of using social media to control elections. That's it. It's not inconsistent. They don't want Twitter to be banned because they want to manipulate the Ugandan elections.
Starting point is 01:12:21 And they want Twitter to be the monopoly in the United States so they can manipulate elections. It's the same thing. And the timeline here matters because, correct me if I'm wrong, it was first Ugandan government officials that were banned by Twitter and Facebook. Then they decided to shut down Facebook and Twitter. And now Facebook and Twitter are working with the State Department to bring back social media into Uganda. And then we also have to understand there's a lot of also fingerprints with the State Department working with social media when it comes to the Arab Spring, when it comes to Ukraine and other very important geopolitical battles that were happening that I would argue the tech oligarchs and State Department Department were working for the favor of the U.S.
Starting point is 01:13:06 in many of those key instances that do deserve to be looked at right now. So the way the State Department influence works is they have all these NGOs that they send to countries, and these NGOs are how they do political organization. They also fund media outlets and so on. And social media allowed them to supercharge those efforts inside whichever country they were targeting. That's why they like it. That's what got me booted from Venezuela. Some Occupy activists on Twitter started tweeting at a bunch of Venezuelan personalities that I worked for USAID and was in Venezuela to subvert and overthrow the revolution.
Starting point is 01:13:39 That's what they said, to overthrow the revolution. And I'm literally just some dude who went from Vice. And I chose to. Like, no one at Vice told me to do it. I said, hey, I want to go to Venezuela. And I'm literally just some dude who went from vice. And I chose to. Like, no one at vice told me to do it. I said, hey, I want to go to Venezuela. And they're like, all right, go for it. That's an interesting perspective that if you ban the matrix, it doesn't necessarily mean you're righteous. Like, evil.
Starting point is 01:13:57 There can still be chaos and destruction in the real world, in the matrix world. We're on the ships. You know, there can be pirates and and dictators and things like this ugandan dictator apparently i don't know much about him um so the matrix is an evil it's just a powerful tool yeah that happens to be under the control of america which is why ugandan dictators don't like it or venezuela and we say america but i mean what is america at this point corporate Corporate banking billionaire elites. Yeah, that have like hijacked the U.S. military.
Starting point is 01:14:31 It's really not America. They just have control of our military. I really do think that it's almost like they want to make sure there's a permanent underclass, that there's no upward mobility, like creating a new royalty. They're the elites. They're the ones who get to walk freely in Congress and through the Capitol. permanent underclass that there's no upward mobility like creating a new royalty they're the elites they're the ones who get to walk freely in congress and and through the capital they're the ones who get special exemptions from the rules and the law and things like this and so everything they're doing with destroying the economy it results in certain jobs become like you make certain individuals making more and more money and it results in the regular
Starting point is 01:15:03 working class people being completely destroyed by it and when the wealth of say your your average you know middle american is destroyed their chances of moving up and improving their lives becomes zero basically but the elites who control assets don't lose that so so think about it this way if you're rich and you're worried about the economic collapse, it's real easy. You put your money into something. You take a bunch of your liquid assets. You buy hard assets. You buy property.
Starting point is 01:15:33 You buy resources. You buy the means of production. Then the working class people who have a small savings need to buy food. They can't afford to put their money into something safe. So they lose their wealth. They lose their access. They lose control. So it's almost like the bottom's being pulled out,
Starting point is 01:15:48 but the rich people have a bar to hang on to, and the people down below don't. Nope. They fall down. Well, they've been doing this. They've been stealing from a lot of people through the process of inflation and deflation. When the market is high, they sell.
Starting point is 01:16:00 When the market is low, they obviously buy up a bunch of goods. And we have to understand a lot of these people a lot of these kind of whether it's the federal reserve a lot of the bigger banks they know what's going to happen ahead of time because they're the ones setting this policy and they could decide i'm going to sell it all i'm going to buy it all and they've been doing this kind of system ever since we got rid of the gold standard but what you need to understand is it's not a conspiracy as though like a bunch of bankers get together and go we're gonna tank the market no what happens is they'll
Starting point is 01:16:28 put out their statement saying here's when we think this will happen here's what we're gonna buy and then all of the big banks make a massive move which will drop the values of certain things and then when people panic sell because people just do they buy it up case in point bitcoin recently yeah fell down to 30 and it was funny it was at like 31 and a bunch of people i saw uh you know were tweeting at me saying things like i'm gonna sell now and then buy back when it's at the bottom and then within a few hours it went right back up to 35 and i was like well if you sold you screwed yourself yeah the the market cap went from 1 trillion to 840 billion it lost 160 billion dollars don't quote me on the exact
Starting point is 01:17:04 numbers so i think there was a coordinated sell-off of 100 billion dollars don't quote me on the exact numbers so i think there was a coordinated sell-off of 100 billion dollars but it's not a bunch of people made but it wasn't coordinated in the sense that like a bunch of guys got together it's tough to say it could have been but it happens what you say definitely happens it may have also been coordinated i don't know it just seemed very what happens is you have an you have an avalanche you have all of this it's piling up and then there are people ready to buy at certain numbers. One person happens to hold a large amount of coins because he's a miner perhaps or it's a company. They put it all up for sale at a certain price to make all that money.
Starting point is 01:17:34 And then it causes everything to just cascade down. There's machines that are watching and they'll trigger sales. And then what happens is it's human psychology. Regular people who have invested what little they had panic and then they sell it all and that's how the wealth gets transferred to the wealthy because people panic it's like this is why i don't i love going to casinos we recently went to a casino and i i got man it was amazing i put like 20 bucks down on high card flush and won like 800 bucks and i started tipping like crazy it was amazing i don't like playing poker though you know why because i i used you
Starting point is 01:18:02 know i used to i used to have a lot of fun playing poker i used to play magic the gathering so if you're good at like reading people then you'd be great at poker but you're taking money from poor people who don't know what they're doing same way dude yeah it's like that you make money off the people not the house i like playing against the house i i lose i go to casinos for fun i don't go there to make money but i don't like the idea of ripping off the working class people who don't know what they're doing so i'm always advising people you need to know what you're doing. You need to get sound advice. Don't get it from me, but just panic is where they rip you off.
Starting point is 01:18:29 And don't listen to the mainstream media that was telling you that Bitcoin's dead. It's over. It's never coming back. And I've been seeing those articles for years now, and I've been kind of combating it in my own way. But as we said on the show a couple couple days ago, again, not financial advice, but it's usually not the best thing to buy high and to sell low. That's what usually the average person does. It's not a good strategy. But when you look at the mainstream media and their talking
Starting point is 01:18:56 points, that's what they tell you to do. I go to 4chan's biz board for my financial advice. When you see lots of the pink Wojeks where they're all freaking out saying the stonks are going down, that's when you buy. The stonks. You know, I love this. One article said,
Starting point is 01:19:11 Bitcoin investors could lose everything. I can't believe, it's like, it's so obvious what that was. They were trying to scare new investors
Starting point is 01:19:20 into selling everything and it worked. And then the price dropped. They bought high and then the price tanked while they it worked and then the price dropped they they bought high and then the price tanked while they panicked and then the people with access and means bought all of it back up and now it's going right back up to 40k i say it happens all the time so i'm not gonna tell you what you should do or give you advice i'll tell you what i'll do when i buy bitcoin i just sit on it i you're supposed to hold hold on for dear life but anyway i digress you know
Starting point is 01:19:43 we got into the bitcoin conversation again just because it's been so prevalent. The reality is consistently those with lots of money can sit on it and protect it and use it to grow their resources and control and power. And everything we're seeing with the lockdowns and everything we're seeing with, you know, these bailouts, all it does is strip what little the working class have. And you know what the problem is? Many of these people are cheering for it and clapping, thunderous applause.
Starting point is 01:20:10 The wealthy are like, we want to steal all your money. And they go, yay. And then they do. When you say like, go upstream from money, if you really want to solve-
Starting point is 01:20:22 You mean from culture? Well, you want to go upstream from culture. And I was like, well, the rich people are what are controlling culture. Upstream from that, it led me to crypto. But what's above that? Is it steel mills and iron mines and weapons? It's producing culture. But what does that mean? So if there are... If there's a stream of cultural issues that ends with a political policy and someone is throwing garbage in the river then produce culture above them it's like the strongest gorilla what is the one who dictates the culture of the of the tribe i mean kind of i guess i'm just saying that's how it worked back in the day people need to be persuasive and resourceful you need to have access and means
Starting point is 01:21:02 and confidence and you do that by inspiring and building culture. By teaching people to do things that are fun. But I'll tell you what really drives, one of the things that really drives people is being cheered on by others. It feels good. When you have a crowd of people like clapping for you, people love it. It's why skateboarding is so great. You go to a skate park. And you don't got to be the best skateboarder in the world.
Starting point is 01:21:23 But if people see you, maybe you've only been skateboarding for a few months, you finally learned how to kickflip and you're really bad at it. Kickflip is like a basic trick for those who don't know. You could be at a park. It's clear that you're not that good. And you're trying as hard as you can to land this kickflip. When you finally do, everyone will cheer and clap for you.
Starting point is 01:21:38 It's not about you being the best. It's about you overcoming yourself and doing better every day. But then if you are really, really good, you go there, you know when you skate and you do well, people cheer and clap for it. It's a very positive environment. Some kids can be nasty. That's what we need.
Starting point is 01:21:52 We need people who oppose the wokeness and the creepy, you know, cancel culture stuff to mock it and make it desirable for people to mock it, to belittle it, to have a good time. This is why comedy is so powerful. So we need more comedians like Ryan Long, for instance, who routinely rocks, not mocks, not just the left, but also the right on occasion, making it fun to say the extremism is stupid, to make it a point that you will be cheered for and celebrated and successful if you tell the crazy people to stop or you point out their absurdities.
Starting point is 01:22:23 And like being an artist in general i think is a great way to control the culture but then the money the rich people are going to come to you once you succeed and they're going to try and buy you out and it works well not always but it it's it's very tempting i don't know what you do with all that money some of these people get some of these these these big brands and the sponsorships they've done i don't want to name anybody but there's like you know youtubers who have endorsed political candidates who like who are not political that's like look i do news commentary and politics so for me saying who i'm gonna vote for i think is on me but there are like non-political youtubers who are like i'm gonna vote for hillary clinton or whatever and it's like
Starting point is 01:23:02 now why are you doing that there's no incentive incentive for you to turn off Minecraft and start talking about Hillary Clinton. That makes no sense. That to me sounds like it was a paid endorsement or something. And that's when you start getting into dangerous territory. But, you know, it is what it is. People are going to take sponsorships for whatever and they're not going to think twice about it. Well, it's also quite profitable. If you're not that political, maybe you just want to win the favor of the elites at youtube or at these entertainment companies because you know the way to do that
Starting point is 01:23:28 is the virtue signal yep yeah um you know i i know that you know it's deep-seated in uh youtube and google this leftist and this woke stuff but i do think that there are i think most people don't like it i really really believe that's true. The problem is I think they're all just terrified and they're cowards. And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but there is somebody who's willing to say, I'll say what I want when I want. And it tends to be Trump supporters are all getting banned because they'll just say what they want. They don't care.
Starting point is 01:24:00 And the people on the left, traditional liberals, they tell me behind the scenes all the time, I have business calls with people who work for companies peripheral to Google or within Google. And they're like, we love your stuff, man. We completely agree about this. We're fans of George Carlin and Chappelle. But, oh, man, I don't know. I lose my job. And I'm like, yeah, you're a coward, bro. I think you're right that it stems from fear, like whether they're afraid because they don't understand the way that technology works.
Starting point is 01:24:25 So the unknown creates like a fear of the unknown. So they just go along with it or they're afraid or they're more viscerally afraid of actually being banned themselves. But I think the fear of not understanding how politics works, how laws are written, how we should teach kids how to write laws. I don't think they care about that. I think the concern is, are the people going to be mean to me? It's just very disempowering to not know, to not understand how the power structure works. I think they just don't want to be fired. They don't want to be mobbed by the social justice warriors.
Starting point is 01:24:54 Well, they know that if they get fired for being anti-woke, they're not going to get a job ever again. Indeed. So what? Grow up. The biggest polling error, and I agree with that, they should grow up. I mean, you know, people endured a lot worse. Go work for Veritas or Breitbart. Blow the whistle on this stuff. For political activities.
Starting point is 01:25:10 But the biggest polling error by far in the 2020 election was the white middle class, not the white working class. They actually predicted the white working class vote pretty well, the pollsters. But they missed the white middle class vote by i think it was about uh over 20 point polling error really yes it was it was massive was the biggest what did they expect and what was the reality they were expecting to be split pretty evenly between uh uh biden and trump in fact it was like over 20 points in favor of trump from white middle class voters um uh what was the middle? No, I think it was actually employment.
Starting point is 01:25:46 So don't quote me on that. It was employment. Are they in white-collar jobs rather than blue-collar jobs? Oh, okay, okay, right on. And that makes perfect sense to me because the people in white-collar jobs are most afraid of the wokeness. Yeah, because it's not just that they will take your job from you. It's that they will salt the earth to make sure you can never have a job again.
Starting point is 01:26:07 And that's what people are afraid of. And really? You know what, man? Whatever. Look, I guess when you're accustomed to certain comforts, it's really easy to scare people into losing all of it. You know, so they grow up and they have this middle class life and they get a white colored job and they got their 401k and they get married and they have kids. And they're like, heaven forbid, I have to actually live like humans lived 100 years ago. It's scary. I get it. You don't know how to survive on your own anymore. You don't know how to grow your own food or hunt or
Starting point is 01:26:36 anything like that. And it's not necessarily something we should be doing. We have this, you know, wonderful technology and access. But the worst case scenario for getting fired from a job for standing up for this is not going to hunt and becoming a wild man with your wild family. It's literally just getting a crummier job or something, or I don't know, going and working for a company that will let you work for them. But too many people are just scared. And I think it's kind of sad.
Starting point is 01:27:01 It's cowardly. And, you know, what is this saying? All that is required for evil to win is for good men to do nothing good people to do nothing and there's the other quote uh what is it uh let it never be said that a small group of determined people can't change the world indeed it's the only thing that's ever have that ever has so how many people are just sitting on their hands saying it won't be me because i'm too scared and what happened to the people who are like i'm gonna get on a boat for three months with limited resources and crash onto the shores of an empty country,
Starting point is 01:27:29 just figure it out. Think about the people who are on that boat coming from Europe, going to North America or going anywhere else. You had no idea what you were going to see when you got there. In fact, the first group that landed, you know, in New England is just rocks and trees. And they're like, get to work. One glimmer of optimism I saw last year is something that could potentially give more people courage. Because what makes people less cowardly? What gives them courage? I think it's when they see people that the media tries to cancel, but it completely fails to do so. And there were so many examples of this last year, actually. They tried to cancel Michelle Malkin. Both conservatives and liberals tried to cancel her.
Starting point is 01:28:07 They failed. She actually got her show on Newsmax like a few weeks after that, so utterly failed. She got more opportunities. They tried to cancel Jack Posobiec. They tried to cancel Peter Thiel. Darren Beatty, they tried to cancel him. He actually got a new White House appointment. And the White House essentially told the media to F off when they started to start an outrage cycle over that.
Starting point is 01:28:30 So the more examples you have like that of people the media tries to cancel and just completely fails at it, I think the more courage you'll see from ordinary people. I think Trump is another example. Why people are supporting him so hard right now is because they're trying to cancel him from social media, and now they're trying to impeach him and cancel him from politics. So people are like, no, resist. If you can do it, I can do it. Well, this is I want to kind of talk to your point,
Starting point is 01:28:55 because what you were saying about people kind of paying the mortgages and trying to make ends meet. A lot of these people are controlled that way. They're controlled in other ways. But a few years ago, I got drunk and hammered with the White House Press Corps. The conversation was off the record. A lot of them are alcoholics. I won't be naming names or saying who they are specifically.
Starting point is 01:29:16 Well, you just said all of them. Majority of the White House Press Corps a couple years ago. I'm not going to be specific here. Conversation was off the record. Let me pause real pause real quick journalists are notoriously alcoholics no joke yeah when i worked for vice there was like a jaeger machine on the counter and people had liquor bottles all over the place no huge substance abuse problem amongst journalists also depression rates but that's a whole nother story to get into and after getting hammered with
Starting point is 01:29:41 with them we were talking i won't name the specific person. They were like, hey, man, look, I have a family. I have a daughter. I have to pay off my bills. I just got to do what I'm told. And that's exactly what I'm doing. So that was the major sentiment from a lot of them that were breaking down and telling me how they have no kind of free will to even express ideas that they want to express or investigate stories that they want to investigate. And they're like, you know, I like your work.
Starting point is 01:30:08 I love you, but I can't even tell anyone because I'm afraid of this kind of chilling effect going on of even mentioning you. And they all just need to quit. That's why they're depressed alcoholics. Exactly. I mean, it must be very demoralizing being essentially the inquisitors of the elite.
Starting point is 01:30:24 All they have to do is all stand up and say, no, I'm not interested. But they value money and wealth and access over integrity, honor, and loyalty. Just to be clear, I'm not feeling sorry for mainstream journalists. No, no, no. I have contempt and disdain for these people because when given the choice between standing tall and saying, you know, I refuse, they say, just write the check. I'll say whatever you want. Give me the money and I'll do whatever you want me to do. It's really funny.
Starting point is 01:30:54 There are certain YouTube personalities and certain left-wing personalities who absolutely did this when it came to Weave. You're familiar with Weave? Oh, the hacker with the notorious tattoo, yes. The notorious tattoo from World War II Germany. So, you know, what, 2012, 2013, there were many left-wing activists who were praising him, and to a certain degree. I don't want to act like they were saying
Starting point is 01:31:17 he was a good person outright, but they were defending him. They were hanging out with him. They were laughing with him. They were taking photos with him. They were on couches smiling and hugging and all that stuff. And then when we got into deep into the culture war with the fascists in the far right, these people immediately were
Starting point is 01:31:31 like, I never know. I hate him. I'm like, dude, you guys were like shoulder and shoulder singing songs together. Like, don't play that game. No, you're cowards. And then there was Quinn Norton, who's a journalist, when she got hired by the New York Times. And then the left tried canceling her, saying she's friends with Weave. She said, F you, Weave's my friend. And I was like, wow, now that's a spine. That is integrity. And then she ended up resigning because of it. Because the New York Times is cowardly and they're pathetic.
Starting point is 01:32:03 So, you know, look, you get to make a choice. Do you have values? Are you a person of good moral standing? Or are you a spineless wet noodle who will just fold at the sign of any threat or any risk? Talk about weakness, man. Well, I have values like Jesus. I want to go in there to the temple and flip the tables over and scream at the merchants for ripping us off and creating this usury. But I don't because I will be executed.
Starting point is 01:32:30 No, that's different. These people are in a position where they can't flip out like Luke was saying. No one's telling them to flip out and destroy things. Well, they can't express themselves genuinely. They can't ask questions. They can't go through the normal thinking process. They have to literally read a script in many instances. They can't say there they can't uh you know go through the normal thinking process they have to literally read a script in many instances they can't say there are two genders i would rather die
Starting point is 01:32:50 on my feet than live on my knees well that's why a lot of these people have huge substance abuse problems and uh you know for a lot of them i just feel sorry for them to be honest with you to an extent i do but i also think if you are going to be a wet noodle and just give up because someone's being mean to you well then why should i defend you you don't have to defend but the empathy is key the having the empathy doesn't mean that you feel bad for them or that you agree with them it just means that you understand what they're going of course i just explained it i understand exactly what they're going through and i think their only way out is to stand up and say no but they won't do it there's more than just that i would imagine uh i disagree well this is why they're so afraid of social media because on social media you can create
Starting point is 01:33:34 these kind of preference cascades very easily a preference cascade you know it's when people have all these preferences that they're hiding because they're afraid of other people judging them and calling them out and leaving comments breaking down their illusion and the bullcrap that they get paid by special interest to push now if you remember this in the early kind of nonsense of the internet every website had a comment section oh yeah this is when i i first realized that there was a movement building against free speech journalists responding to comment sections and i was like the comment section is amazing because every
Starting point is 01:34:05 bullcrap article that was pushing an agenda was automatically called out, upvoted. People are saying, this is bullcrap because of this level. Look at this evidence. Go to this website. And then what happened? They started slowly and surely getting rid of the comment sections everywhere on all the mainline
Starting point is 01:34:22 mainstream media publications. And now it's curated and moderated. One of the debut articles on Breitbart Tech when we launched in 2015, one of the first articles we published on that vertical, The War on Comment Sections. That was one of the first signs of what was coming. And then remember Gab launched, was it Dissenter? Yeah. Universal Comments
Starting point is 01:34:38 for all articles. And they went after Gab like crazy because that was it. When you can read the comments, you are like, really? So they had to get rid of it. Instantly banned from every browser extension store. Yep. Yep.
Starting point is 01:34:50 What is great technology. And then they then. OK. And then this is why Gab is kind of. Then they kind of built their own browser. They use open source Chrome code. Right. And then made the Gab browser.
Starting point is 01:35:01 Yeah. Building their own. So it's like their own social network, their own servers, their own browser, their own comment section, their own phone. They're very, very resourceful. I think I'm going to get on Gab. Well, Donald Trump's there. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:35:13 He's not really posting or anything like that. Well, let's jump over to Super Chats. If you have not already, smash that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell. We are live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. And now we go to the portion of the show where we take your comments and read what you say. As many as we can because we do get a ton of super chats.
Starting point is 01:35:30 So let's just jump in. Tom Bowersock says, this is my last super chat before I join the private site. Dropping YouTube membership. Well, thank you, Tom. And if you feel like Tom as well, go to TimCast.com and become a member. We are. It's still very beta-y. There's some issues. Some people are having trouble logging in, but you know, just remain calm and
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Starting point is 01:36:58 You're insulated, you're protected. That's why Timcast.com is available. Let's read some more. Karma and Kerosene says tim we're trying to influence culture like you talked about my band karma and kerosene just released our first full album we write rock for libertarians and conservatives come check us out on youtube well there you go guys check out karma and kerosene that's culture i'll only tell you guys a secret it's actually not a secret i talked about. YouTube invited me to a special meeting on how to, I forgot what it was called, but it was something about de-radicalization
Starting point is 01:37:30 and, you know, social justice. And their concern was that there was a lot of, there were a lot of people being radicalized by jihadi content on YouTube. And they were trying to figure out how to make it so that people who would go on YouTube would not view the more extreme, you know, Islamic culture as them. They would view more mainstream, regular American and Western culture. And so they had a bunch of really bad ideas. One of the ideas was to make videos telling people they were wrong and they were dumb and they were doing the wrong thing. And I was just like, that's a terrible idea. Because think about you got these young these young kids. They're in the UK. They're in the US. And there are these videos targeting them on YouTube that are free speech. That was the problem. YouTube was like,
Starting point is 01:38:10 we can't just take down these videos that are advocating for fundamentalist Islam. So what do we do? And I was just like, just make normal content. That's it. Have people explain themselves as regular people. Don't make it some big thing. They don't get it, though. They still hold this view where they're like, we need to tell people they're dumb and bash them over the head with it. It's all about just making regular stuff for regular people. And it's like when you see Chris Pratt, and he's wearing the Gadsden flag shirt, and they freaked
Starting point is 01:38:36 out because of it. But everybody loves Chris Pratt. That's what it's all about. Just be a regular person. Do regular stuff. Well, it's good to have some inside information about what they're doing about extremism, because now the Americans are going to be the extremists yeah good to know jonathan galterini says check the executive order trump signed and the letter he sent to pence and pelosi today the letter is actually dated tomorrow but it's interesting it's easier to find if you check the rsbn twitter page also trump's hearing is set for the 19th
Starting point is 01:39:02 is it the 19th i heard that the trial wasn't going to be until after. Look, man, I've been waking up every day since the election with someone saying, today's the day. It's going to happen. The states are going to flip. That's going to happen. It's like every day someone's saying it never happens. You know, it just people just want to believe, I guess.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Dylan Keller says, you need a name for your website members. May I suggest Beanie Bros or Beanie Brigade? Also, you should sell a beanie that has a picture of a beanie on it. Thank you and spin the male vitality, please. Oh, we don't have that anymore. I do. Oh, no, no, no. No, you have Dr. Jones' Primal Youth.
Starting point is 01:39:35 Dr. Jones' Primal Youth. That's right. Spin the Primal Youth. Yes. Yeah. I will spin that. Spin the Primal Youth. We got to stop inadvertently advertising for this man.
Starting point is 01:39:44 Do we, though? Do we really got to stop?ently advertising for this man do we though do we really got to stop well it's kind of funny is it in frame like it's kind of funny that alex jones has these health products and on it says dr jones so he is dr jones i i hope not because the man is not a doctor i'm spinning it for you alex whether you're dr jones or not is he more or more or less of a doctor than jill biden oh yeah i I don't know. Oh, that's an interesting question. Good question. Yeah. Spin that primal youth. Well.
Starting point is 01:40:08 Rogue Weya says, not my first, but hopefully you'll read this one. Tim, do you think our overlords would allow us a session? They want us all to be their slaves. Where's the Tim that said, I'd rather die on my feet
Starting point is 01:40:19 than live on my knees? I think I just said that. Yeah, you did. Well, that's why I'm out, you know, in the middle of nowhere setting up a you know big acreage property for fun and just being away from the cities and all that stuff but what you got to understand is winning this cultural war in the conflict in our political system requires strategy persuasion and resourcefulness what we thought the capital was none of that it It was the opposite. It scared people.
Starting point is 01:40:45 It made people angry. It caused damage to American relics and to our nation's capital. It didn't do anything. It just hurt Trump. The key to winning is like with the Daily Wire deal with that new movie, which, you probably heard about, right? Yeah, it's building culture and getting people interested. Imagine if in like 15 years, you have some kid who's like i really want
Starting point is 01:41:06 to work for daily wire studios man they do amazing thrillers and then they're like that's ben shapiro's company yeah yeah yeah it is you want kids to proudly say that's what i want to be when i grow up so you've got to make things to inspire them and participate in the culture not just you know push barricades down and hit that cliche fire. There's that cliche story about that Hitler was an artist. And maybe there's something to it. But if he had been supported, if people had been like, you can do it, you can become an artist, maybe he wouldn't have become a crazy dictator. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:41:37 There's a reason they all freaked out to have a game again. Yeah. Right. Because there was a pushback in the cultural space. And so they were doing everything they can to seize the means of cultural production. Yeah. Right. Because there was a pushback in the cultural space. And so they were doing everything they can to seize the means of cultural production. Yeah. I know you've got to get to your next question, but did you guys see the Vox article with if we paid attention to Gamergate, the Capitol Hill riot wouldn't have happened.
Starting point is 01:41:56 Literally, that was the headline. And they put out a tweet where they said, there's a straight line from Gamergate to the Capitol Hill riots. Is there? No, there isn't. I don't think so. Like, as if this 53-year-old guy with guy with a beard who's like knocking the barricades over had anything to do with complaining about the the character design in you know battlefield
Starting point is 01:42:14 one so the gamer gate thing is that can you explain it really quick uh no no you can't explain it really quick words or less this will be the less. This will be the next book. This will be the next book. What happened? So it was like female developers? It was like gamers didn't like political correctness in video games. And it all came to a head over – and then they started fighting the journalists who did want political correctness in video games. And that went on for a year. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:42:40 It's one of the core elements that led to that moment was video game companies would advertise on games journalism websites. So like you'd go to, we'll just call it game website and say, you know, I'll pay you a thousand dollars to promote my game. The website would then write articles that were supposed to review the game, but it would all be positive coverage. Why? They didn't want to lose their paycheck. So it was corrupt.
Starting point is 01:43:02 They were writing favorable stories about their sponsors and getting paid to do it. So this led to a controversy over ethics in gaming journalism. There was this specific moment with the people I'm not going to name, which triggered this. And then ultimately it became very much about these journalists were social justice activists. And it's very, very simple, actually. When you are in the modern digital era and you have a job that pays you a salary, you need to write articles every single day. In fact, many of these companies, because I worked for Vice and I worked for Fusion, the editors in the morning meeting says, what stories do you have today? And they would say, video game came out
Starting point is 01:43:38 yesterday. I wrote about it. We were doing the walkthrough guide for, you know, Zelda. But what else can we really write about? Oh, I know. Why don't you complain that Zelda is, I don't know, white? So they just started creating drama? Yes. They needed something to write about so they would have content every day. And they're saying this creation of drama is what led to where we're at now?
Starting point is 01:43:59 There's a lot of issues around Gamergate. But the general idea is, from my perspective perspective having worked for these companies, they were so desperate to make some kind of daily content that they just made political issues out of games. Dude, rage bait. The argument is that that was the first cultural pushback against the left. Therefore, it was the first
Starting point is 01:44:18 step on the road to Donald Trump. I love this narrative by the way. There's no truth to it whatsoever, but I love that it's out there. I do think that the rage bait culture has kind of led us to become where we're at now. I mean, you could say that liberal media organization rage baits against Trump. What did AOC just say in an interview? She said, I was scared that the white supremacist members of Congress would reveal my location.
Starting point is 01:44:41 She'd be killed. White supremacist? What? Which guy? That one guy from Iowa who lost? It's ridiculous. Yeah. And because they're demanding the arrest of Lauren Boebert.
Starting point is 01:44:54 These people, look, they're criticizing the Republicans who are calling for unity. The Republicans criticize the left who called for unity after Trump won. It's a never ending. I remember like 2018. They were like, it's okay to punch a Nazi. I think i said it once in joking and then regretted it and then other people started saying it and then it started spiraling out of now i'll just so it's all over the place the problem the problem is that it's allegory it's it's hyperbole there are no nazis these days nazis was a party of hitlers you could have a national socialist like bernie sanders
Starting point is 01:45:24 or donald donald trump and then funny president is a could have a national socialist like bernie sanders or donald donald trump and then funny president is a national is a national socialist but he's not a nazi the nazis were hitler's party right so much of politics these days is laughing like it is with the internet communists as well people with the hammer and sickle in their avatar really they just want medicare for all yeah do they really even know what that means which is a very left wing policy but it's just a lot i don't i don't think they know what it actually means because you know when i hear people say universal health care medicare for all i'm like it sounds like you didn't actually look at it because you can talk about what bernie says when he says like uh every other country on
Starting point is 01:45:56 the planet has this why can't we have it and then he goes ban private health insurance and you're like oh not no other country does that like most other countries that have a universal level of care have private health care supplemental. So that's why I actually am in favor of that because I've actually read into it. I've looked at the costs, and I think there are some difficult challenges. But when I hear these people say, you know, and there are some people I respect too. Jimmy Dore is in favor of Medicare for all with no private – with banning private insurance. I disagree. I think he's wrong.
Starting point is 01:46:21 I don't think he's read into it enough. But I respect the guy a whole lot. He's very principled. I think many of these people who say that, they're LARPing, and they don't know what they're saying. I don't think he's right into it enough. But I respect the guy a whole lot. He's very principled. I think many of these people who say that they're LARPing, and they don't know what they're saying. They don't know what it means. They didn't look into the costs. Ask them, oh, so what do you do to the 2 million people who lose their job? Was it 2 million? Some massive number of people who will lose their jobs and then create massive economic crash when a large portion of our economy is gutted. That's one of the biggest problems we have. We don't have World War II to create a national crisis of mass death that forces us to create national health services.
Starting point is 01:46:51 Anyway, let's read some more Super Chats. Rob Lowe robs Lowe's. Oh, I have to do it now. How many Lowe's could Rob Lowe rob if Rob Lowe could rob Lowe's? He says, Tim, I was wondering if you would be okay with having my sister on your show. She's starting a life coach podcast. I only ask because it could be nice to have someone that believes a positive lifestyle and removing the screen and clutter of life.
Starting point is 01:47:15 I won't lie to you. Probably not. But that's because we usually don't book based on, you know, people messaging us and stuff. But we will look into it. So feel free to send us an email to, what was it, spintheufo at gmail? spintheufo at gmail.com Good morning. Sunday morning, says,
Starting point is 01:47:32 What the Dems, Big Tech, and NYC is doing with Trump sounds like what the Romans called damnatio. Is that what it is? Damnatio memorei. Yes, damnatio memorei. After a disliked politician died, his name would be removed from buildings, statues changed, etc. That's weird. Just weird and creepy. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:47:52 J of Legend says, doesn't the 10th Amendment already protect the Bill of Rights from Fed, State, and the people, aka civilians? And since the 10 defines people separate of government, it also clarifies the second, which would mean Twitter, FB, etc. are already breaking already breaking the law i'm not a constitutional scholar so i have no idea how to answer that anybody no you should tweet at like will chamberlain or somebody yeah joshua cassell says i'm from ontario and we have an enforced stay at home starting at midnight i can't legally see my girlfriend in another city still going also have to have to have note from work to go to work now. I wonder if I could like hire people to document what it's like to be in the lockdown as a media organization, offer them up a very light contract of like, man, I'd love for you to be able to document what it's like going to your girlfriend's house when this lockdown
Starting point is 01:48:40 is in place. I got to be honest, it's really interesting. You might see no cars, no businesses. I'd like to hire someone to be able to do that. Hey, guess what? You'll have to drive to your girlfriend's to do it, and you'll be at work. I could write you a note. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy what's happening in Canada, in the United Kingdom. And we have to understand this is all happening under democratic rule. And most likely those same restrictions are coming to the United States very soon as well.
Starting point is 01:49:02 That's why people got to get out of the cities but we're seeing something interesting we're seeing a blue immigration into red areas and i was talking to someone earlier who is a very conservative it was like you can tell because you know out here in the middle of nowhere you got bears and stuff and they'll post on next door that app you guys know next door is a social media for your zip code and you can tell if they just moved here because they're complaining about a lot of what people are doing and it's like i don't think you realized where you moved to no one is going to get your back on this you're on your own quite literally not disrespectfully just literally everybody how to takes care of themselves it's like you got animals put figure it out go on the internet research what to do about big bears coming on your property
Starting point is 01:49:40 because no one's going to help you help help call the police where where are they 45 minutes away good luck yeah florida's like another country when you go down there i mean i think de santis is going to be a contender in 24 just in a big part and a big reason of that is because of weight the way he responded to covid yep jason stanek says hi tim and co i'm just some random guy that registered with the fec and ran a pathetic campaign for president thought i thought you might want to check out my crappy website before I take it down next week. Myusername.com.
Starting point is 01:50:09 Bye. So, Jason Stanek 2020 is his name. Let's see here. Louis Sintron says, Poland has a pending contract with Raytheon. Don't forget who just
Starting point is 01:50:20 joined the cabinet. So does that mean they're going to bend the knee? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Daniel Nelson says, I think if Parler taught us anything, it's that when given the opportunity
Starting point is 01:50:31 to speak freely, people will take that opportunity. I personally took a few jokes too far on there. I'll own up to it. Definitely. I think there is a real problem with online anonymity.
Starting point is 01:50:43 It is a serious challenge, though. There are dissidents who face persecution and prosecution in their horrifying dictatorships if they find out who's saying these things at the same time there are people who will never be held accountable for saying really disgusting and awful things and they just love being nasty we we really did build a culture of being awful people on the internet it kind of bums me out we didn't build it the algorithms incentivize it no no no i'm talking about going back to compu serve and i think people i've changed my view on this people can be nasty when they're anonymous but actually i think they're nasty when they have a face and a name behind it because then you've got the virtue
Starting point is 01:51:17 signaling incentive i'm going to condemn these people and my reputation will go up and ego to defend it okay this one might be controversial. You ready for something controversial? Mm-hmm. RaphMeinster says, Mr. Bakari, how was Ghost writing Milo's book like? Interesting. Is that true? I mean, you'd have to look into it and read the reports.
Starting point is 01:51:38 Oh, is that what they're claiming? I don't know. That's why I said maybe it's controversial. We'll leave it there, then. Colin Kihi says, I don't know if I'm just out of the loop, but it seems like Parler came out of nowhere. The first I'd ever heard of alt tech was Styx, and he was talking about Gab mines and BitChute, but never
Starting point is 01:51:53 Parler. That's true. I don't understand why Parler became the go-to app. Gab already existed. It had a lot of mainline Republican support, a lot of big donors, but they also did a lot of KYC where you needed a phone number to join. And they admittedly worked with the police on many investigations as well. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:52:13 Gareth Green says, further, you're, oh, is there another one I'm missing from you, Gareth? This is the problem with segmented. There we go. Gareth says, Tim, you need to understand that regulations violate individual rights corporations are legally individuals and big tech regulations are against everything that GOP stands for regulations are fascism I disagree
Starting point is 01:52:33 it's like there's a certain level of too much power for government and too much power for corporations a regulation is not necessarily in and of itself too much power if it's restricting access because it's holding something back, I think I'm totally in favor of that. I don't know if you guys want to disagree.
Starting point is 01:52:50 No, I agree. I mean, Aristotle's cycle of regimes, it's amazing how it happens to almost every republic. It descends into oligarchy. Yep. Gareth Green says, Further, your whole thing about tech suppression will destroy dissent and competition forever is incredibly short-sighted
Starting point is 01:53:02 because it only creates a market for competition. And moreover, you forget how new social media is. The free market will crush them in time. How's Parler doing? I mean, Gab's doing well because they're building the entire infrastructure, even their own browsers and their own phones. But they have gone after every competitor and tried to suppress them. And it's not just that. YouTube uses its subsidy from Google to suppress any video competition. The one thing that really props up YouTube is the ability to make money. The one reason you can make money is because YouTube is subsidizing it to make sure no one else can emerge in the space. There are other platforms that have tried to make money for people, but they just don't
Starting point is 01:53:39 make enough. And so people don't use them. Let's see. Robert Pointer says, hey, went to Timcast.com today and became a member. Love what you do. Keep it up. And you can become a member, too, because Timcast IRL is great. What is it saying?
Starting point is 01:53:54 That's true. Is good. But it can be better with members-only content. I'm going to use that line. I like that. Wonder Woman 1984 was pretty bad. But that meme is pretty good of Pedro Pascal saying, life is good, but it can be better. So that's a good meme to use.
Starting point is 01:54:08 I'm going to use that one. All right, let's see what else we got here. Gareth Green says, the queen has more power behind the scenes than anyone know. She has an audience with the prime minister every week, and no one knows what goes on between them. My idea is that instead of chief executive, the monarch could be the head of the judiciary. Interesting. I don't know, you're British, right? Do you have an opinion on that?
Starting point is 01:54:30 I've never heard that theory before. She does have the meeting every week with the prime minister, and it's true, no one really knows what is discussed there. Sometimes, you know, there are leaks and, you know, there's the whole Netflix theories where they, you know, fictionalized it.
Starting point is 01:54:46 We have a very, very important one. Tom Drollet says, simping for Ian. Stay real, brother. Yo, homie. Dad teaches and words to my son says, holy hell, Ian, have some chicken noodle soup and vitamin C and lots of water. Oh, okay. Thank you. Supportive.
Starting point is 01:55:05 Odysseus Horse says, Ian, we had a national bank when President Jackson, who was against centralized banking, proposed shutting it down. The bank threatened to collapse the economy. Well, they threatened the wrong man. Yeah, didn't he, like, nuke him? He shut down the second central bank, and they tried to shoot him. They did shoot him. Wow, what?
Starting point is 01:55:19 Yeah, he got assassination attempts when he tried to shut down the second central bank. Wow. And it was a span of 20 years that they shut it uh shut the big bank down and that's why they put him on the 20 bill allegedly oh really yeah i should i should like a snack in the face yes double check that but last week was unprecedented political violence never before in american history yeah never happened never happened yeah it was uh actually you know that story about that one guy what was
Starting point is 01:55:44 his name a Alexander Hamilton. Yeah, totally made up. Never happened. Dueling? Not a thing. Yeah. Just this country? No.
Starting point is 01:55:50 Last summer didn't happen. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah, Black Lives Matter? Just something your parents made up to scare you before bed. Make sure you don't break the rules. All right, let's see. Christian McHatton says, if you rewatch Catch catch me if you can the banking scene where he goes in as
Starting point is 01:56:06 a grifter and gets denied then goes back in as a pilot and commands the authority to cash his checks authority lies where people believe it resides that's right absolutely true that's why i ate for free a lot with my press card yeah walking into places like oh he's got a press card you know we're scared of him tj Pfister says, this is one flu over the cuckoo's nest. Trump is Jack Nicholson walking into the asylum. It culminates with the party, the DC riot. Now Nurse Ratched has shut it all down and
Starting point is 01:56:34 forcing us to take our pills to make us behave. Didn't he, like, break out the window and then run away with his pills? No, that was his friend. He got lobotomized. Oh, that's nice. Great. Oh, man. Jordan Moeller says, Tim Pool, who has $10 a month to spend on basically what we're getting for free, let alone $1,000 a month? Grifter, shame.
Starting point is 01:56:57 Oh, shame. Is that a real comment? How much did you spend on that super chat? $10? $5. Oh, $5. Thank you for your money. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:04 The website isn't just going to be nothing we're gonna have exclusive live streams and behind the scenes access and you know segments and interviews we literally launched it on monday so it's like we just put it up i put it up and we're actually going to do events too so who has ten dollars a month well if you don't i mean you don't don't then watch the show you ever see that twitch girl who's like was telling people to subscribe to her channel? I mean, it's just wretched. She was like, you're not giving me money.
Starting point is 01:57:28 She's like, you are, I don't even want to. This is what I love about the future. This show is free. It's free on all podcast platforms. It is free to watch live. You can comment in the chat section and do all that stuff. And then we're going to have a members only space with extra stuff. So it's like you get a
Starting point is 01:57:45 free show i don't know you know people are discounts on merch here's the point i i actually i you know i wanted to have a 10 a 5 000 a 10 000 a 30 000 a 50 100 because if you don't ask the answer is always no it's true right so you throw it out there and then see if someone throws a bunch of crazy money at you for some reason, which they usually basically don't. Didn't someone send like $10 million in Bitcoin to that one guy? They did. Did anyone watch it on the show? What's his name?
Starting point is 01:58:13 No, no, no, no, no. No? I thought that. They sent quite a bit of Bitcoin. I'm not sure how much exactly. Oh, maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. What's the guy's name that everyone's like, you got to have him on the show. You got to have him on the show.
Starting point is 01:58:25 No. Fuentes. Yeah. Oh, oh,'m thinking of somebody else. What's the guy's name that everyone's like, you got to have him on the show. You got to have him on the show. No. Fuentes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Then I heard that someone said like millions of dollars in Bitcoin. I was thinking of, we're talking about Weave. He got sent like a million dollars.
Starting point is 01:58:34 Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, we're going to talk. No. Yeah. That'd be cool to be able to let people pay with crypto to sign up for the month. That's really hard to do.
Starting point is 01:58:43 Yeah. This, this grifting thing. I mean, no one ever yells grifter at the Washington Post for making you pay to read lies. Yep. Yeah. Xerosopher says,
Starting point is 01:58:52 things are so bad even in Canada, I am called a white sup. I am the only white person in my house. I provide shelter to a half-native woman and her kids rent-free. The oldest calls me daddy and is half-Asian, but I am the problem. I fear not for my future, but his.
Starting point is 01:59:08 Wow. That's a bummer. Let's see. Shinjito says, hey, Tim, I'll watch the live stream later, but wanted to ask you, is there a way to become a member through Bitcoin, or is it only PayPal for now? If so, any idea when other payment options will be implemented to keep up the good work? Probably just PayPal for now, because I don't think we have the infrastructure to build something like that. Maybe it should be built, but there's only
Starting point is 01:59:28 so much a dude who complains on the internet can do. I think there's float.app that already does something like this, that allows people to use cryptocurrencies for subscription-based kind of profiles. Daniel Maxwell says, at Luke, fake woke comment. I am, behalf of all non-human
Starting point is 01:59:44 primates, oh, on behalf of all non-human primates oh on on behalf of all non-human primates i'm offended by your shirt i hope that one is on your site oh because it is on my site yes we are changed the drug first shirt occupant says tim all phones are always recording if you thoroughly read all the disclosures and end user license agreements they will tell you this all phones have most devices are compromised and total listening to everything 100%. I actually did the story on this when I believe it first started coming out because, you know, phones have voice activation and so do the little devices used by, you know, Google and Amazon, which means the microphones have to be on.
Starting point is 02:00:19 Otherwise, how would they know what you were saying? The other thing is the way they know what you're saying is they send the audio to a company that transcribes it and then sends the text as data, and then they can use that to translate. There are some apps where they'll say the word three times to record your voice, but they don't work that well because you might say, it'll be like, say your name, and then you'll say, Tim, Tim. And then the next time you do it, you'll be like, Tim, and then they'll not register that it, you'll be like, Tim. And then they'll not register that it's you.
Starting point is 02:00:47 So now they do this whole thing where they are constantly sending. That's why voice text doesn't work when you don't have internet. So, yes, that I know. They claim, though, it's not actually being used to record and then sell. But because it's proprietary. That's what they always say, to improve the service. I used to, I held on my Android 5 as long as I could because you could take the battery
Starting point is 02:01:10 out, but these all have embedded batteries, I think. Daniel Bundrick says, wild, how many people identify as libertarian but pay no attention to the libertarian party? I think conservative thought leaders should sign agreements to overthrow the libertarian party, toss its leaders, and turn it into a party that intends to win. party i think conservative thought leaders should sign agreements to overthrow the libertarian party
Starting point is 02:01:25 toss its leaders and turn it into a party that intends to win yeah i think um the libertarian party may be the only real viable party at this point they could move forward mind fury says love the show i think libertarians will never ever win a national election the united states are a complete joke if every single well i think now's the yeah well if if everyone voted for them no no no the supporters abandoned the gop then you'd have a massive wave to whatever party is viable you're uh that's a new entirely new party like a patriot party like some people are talking about that's much more likely than the libertarians ever winning anything they're just too they're not going to win you don't think so?
Starting point is 02:02:05 I mean, they got what? Five million votes last time. Most people just see them as a joke party. Yeah. Let's see. Mind Fury says, love the show. I think YouTube is mocking you. The JRE show with you, Dorsey and Vijaya has been queued up to play after this.
Starting point is 02:02:19 Well, that's good, isn't it? Especially right now. Watch it. Robert Miller says, hey, Luke ordered ordered a Do A Civil War shirt. Teespring says violates policy so they won't make it. What up? Sarcasm is not allowed? They don't get satire?
Starting point is 02:02:31 I complained, of course. What happened? You know that shirt where they're poking the thing? Yeah, he said it's banned. What? I'm going to double check that. I didn't get any notifications. That's why my shirts are silly.
Starting point is 02:02:42 I mean, the shirt I'm wearing, isn't that pretty serious right now? Oh, they'll call it racist. If you would like to get an I Am A's why my shirts are silly. Yeah. I mean, the shirt I'm wearing is not pretty serious right now. Oh, they'll call it racist. Well... If you would like to get an I am a gorilla t-shirt, make sure you go to teespring.com slash stores
Starting point is 02:02:51 slash Timcast and you will see I am a gorilla. You're actually an ape, but we're just saying you're a gorilla because it's funny. That's right.
Starting point is 02:02:59 It's a reference to the book Ishmael and we've reappropriated the meme so that it's I am a gorilla, love yourself. So we also have a that it's, I am a gorilla, love yourself. So we also have a special Valentine's Day shirt of a gorilla. We're trying to figure out exactly what it should look like.
Starting point is 02:03:15 And I'm thinking it should be a gorilla screaming with spit coming out and his eyes going the wrong directions, demanding that you love yourself. Well, technically, I have a gorilla on my shirt, and he believes that the government is the answer to our problems. I think that's a chimp skull. That could be a gorilla. I don't know. It could be. I think that's a chimp skull. That could be a gorilla. I don't know. It could be. I'm pretty sure it is.
Starting point is 02:03:29 Okay. Gorillas are apes, so we are descended from gorillas. We are not. We share a common ancestor. From apes, right? The great ape. From a primate of some sort. Oh, cool.
Starting point is 02:03:38 Let's see. Kenneth Anderson says, hey, Tim, big fan of the show. I just wanted to ask you about your opinion on growing support of Texit. Oh, is that Texas seceding from the union? I don't know, man. I don't think that'll ever happen. I think the United States needs to remain unified and strong because China is a serious threat.
Starting point is 02:03:51 And if we broke up, then China would just take over. And that's, you know, pretty important. Let's just do one more. A couple. Let's do two more. Ed says, if Trump gets impeached, I am never voting Republican ever again. And I think others should do the same. Right on.
Starting point is 02:04:06 And Charles Balyozian says, Alam, great foresight with hashtag deleted. Reading now and you're on point. Also, recognize Armenia. I am also a gorilla. Interesting. Well, with that being said, people are yelling Ishmael in the chat.
Starting point is 02:04:22 With that being said, though, Alam, you wrote a book on tech censorship called – Deleted, Big Tech's Battle to Erase the Trump Movement and Steal the Election. If you read books, go and buy it. It's at deletedbook.com. If you know someone who reads books, maybe someone two decades older than you who doesn't know what a YouTube is, give it to them as well, because everyone needs to understand this threat, even if they don't use the Internet. You've been covering the censorship stuff for forever, basically. Essentially, yes.
Starting point is 02:04:51 Like you mentioned in the comments section. Since 2015, since before anyone figured out it was going to be a problem. Breitbart News did, because we saw how hostile the left had become to free speech, and we saw the Internet as the greatest platform for free speech. So it was inevitable that those two trends would collide, and they did. Right on, man. Well, thanks for hanging out tonight. Do you want to mention any other social media or anything? Yeah, thanks for having me on, Tim. I'm still on Twitter for now, haven't been banned yet, at Libertarian Blue, a legacy from when I didn't think libertarians were a joke. But you can't change your handle these days without getting
Starting point is 02:05:23 de-verified, and you need that blue check more than ever if you don't want to be shadow banned. You can also find me on Gab at AB. And until recently, at AB, I got one of those nice short handles. Early adopter. And until recently, you can find me on Parler at Alan B. And maybe when they come back, you can find me there again. And obviously, go to Breitbart News if you want the latest tech news articles. Right on.
Starting point is 02:05:47 Of course, Luke's hanging out. Yeah. My independent media channel is WeAreChange on YouTube. And if you believe the government is the answer to our problems, this shirt is not for you. And you should not go to WeAreChange.org forward slash shirts to get one yourself that would also support my efforts here on this show. So don't do that. Remember, do as you're told. Unless you're a gorilla. Yes. Ian, I hear you have social media.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Are you a gorilla? Have you bought an I am a gorilla shirt? Yes, I do have social media, Tim. At Ian Crossland, I pretty much have cornerstoned all the social networks, except i don't know if i'm on gab yet i might be but i'm on youtube twitter facebook instagram and minds um come follow me on minds i co-founded that we barely talked about minds today but along lines with gab and and parlor it's it's uh free software social network m-i-n-d-s ds yeah minds that's right and don't forget you can follow at sourour Patch Lids. Just press on all the buttons.
Starting point is 02:06:46 You can. I am. This is true. I am right now only on Twitter since Parler is gone. My handle is Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S. And then when I get on Gab, I think I'm going to have my handle be the same. So I think I'll do that today. Wonderful.
Starting point is 02:06:57 And of course, if you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell. And if you would like to protect us from big tech censorship, we've got a lot of stuff in the works. You can go to timcast.com, become a member to get exclusive members-only content, which will be coming soon. There are also some issues people are having with logins, so just bear with us as we're getting everything ramped up. But our goal is, my goal, I should say this, is if we can get a dedicated and large enough support base from members, we will be totally insulated and free from any threats of real censorship. You know, I've had Timcast.com for some time,
Starting point is 02:07:29 and it was just like, hey, donate if you want to. And I really decided to lean into this because, you know, more importantly, many successful podcasts thrive only off of their core users and members and those who really support the show. And that allows them to, well, allows them that protection and that freedom. And, you know, they have to worry about getting banned from YouTube. I'm hoping that we can reach that level. What that means is, if you are a member, the exclusive content you will get will probably be a bit more bombastic and the uncensored access to some of these segments with some of our guests, which we'll start producing soon. And again, we're also going to have in-person live events
Starting point is 02:08:03 for very small crews. So the goal is we're going to have like comedians and political commentators and pundits, musicians doing shows on site and a small select group of members. We're going to put an email saying tickets are available, first come, first served. But then the events will be live streamed and we'll do special member access streams and interviews and things like that. So we have a big plan in the works to get this up and running and just more than what it is now and we could use your support so again timcast.com don't forget to like i said like share and subscribe you can follow me on twitter instagram and mines at timcast you can check out my other channels youtube.com slash timcast and youtube.com slash timcast news we will be back tomorrow at 8 p.m live thank you
Starting point is 02:08:43 all so much for hanging out and we will see you all then. Bye, guys.

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