Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #228 - Ammo Company Bans Biden Voters, Pissing Them Off w/ Fenix Ammo

Episode Date: February 20, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host Justin Nazaroff of Fenix Ammunition to discuss Fenix's choice not to sell ammunition to Biden voters, gun safety, what an 'assault weapon' is (or isn't), the nature of prohibition, directed energy weapons, and the language of laws and how leftists use it. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe Biden is calling for some pretty strict gun control measures. And one of the craziest, I think, is that he wants to ban all ammunition sales online. Well, it's not just that one particular policy, but Joe Biden and the Democrats have long called for pretty strict gun control measures. I mean, there was one point where they're basically saying ban all semi-automatic weapons, which is most most weapons. And so this prompted a couple of things. There was one gun shop that said we would not provide services to Biden voters. And then we saw one ammunition company make you have to actually check a box that says you did not vote for Joe Biden, otherwise you can't shop there. And we have the owner of that company here,

Justin. Do you want to introduce yourself? My name is Justin Nazaroff. I'm the general manager and majority owner of Phoenix Ammunition Company in Novi, Michigan. We're a small family-run company, seven employees. We manufacture mostly ammunition for competition and tactical training. We've been around since October of 2016. And we've definitely been rubbing some folks the wrong way, some people the right way, and happy to be here. So yeah, we'll talk about that.

We're going to just jump in. We also got Ian. He's chilling. What up, everybody? So basically, you've just been rubbing people is what you're saying. Pretty much. That's what I do best. Thank you so much, Justin. You were one of the first people that really responded about ammo when I had said I had an interest in creating ammo.

So thank you so much for aggressively getting back to me like that. And everyone, subscribe to Luke at We Are Change. He's not here tonight. He went on a road trip. You can tell I'm in his chair

because I have the giant bullet bottle opener in my hand. The 50 BMG. Check out IanCrossland.net. No, it's a corkscrew, I think. It is? Yeah, unscrews. This is epic.

Unscrew the bottom. Oh, God, I love it. This is sonet. No, it's a corkscrew, I think. It is? Yeah, unscrews. This is epic. Unscrew the bottom. Oh, God, I love it. This is so Luke. Yeah, it really is. Well, I got it for him as a gift. Oh, cool. He doesn't even drink much. I know, I know.

He's so perfect. He's not great, though. He'd wear it around his neck or something. That'd be good. Or a real 50 BMG. We also got Sour Patch. Let's press it on the buttons. I'm here in the corner pushing buttons for these guys.

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that YouTube bans people for in certain words. So it's going to be a lot of fun. So make sure you sign up if you want to get access to that. But let's jump into the first story. Now, we did cover the story before, but we didn't have an opportunity to actually sit down with Justin. Are you the founder of Phoenix? Yeah. So there are basically three owners of the company. Myself, my brother, Kyle. He's the vice president, production manager.

He runs the shop, takes care of all the real work. And then our father, Norm Nazaroff, he's also an owner as well. Kind of more of a passive role. Right on. So this story is actually just from, I think, about a week ago now. Reason has it, this gun shop says it won't do business with Biden voters. Now, I guess you guys aren't a gun shop. You're an ammunition company.

Right. So the article says tech companies should have the same freedom to choose their customers. Now, this article in particular is funny because it's trying to poke fun at conservatives complaining about big tech and censorship and regulation while pointing out that people are laughing about the fact that Phoenix Ammunition has banned Biden voters. When you go to phoenixammo.com, the first thing you'll see, and you can try it, don't leave the podcast, just open a new tab and try it, is it actually asks you, a big thing pops up and it says, did you vote for Joe Biden? Yep. So, okay, tell me what's going on. Why'd you do it? So it actually started as a bit of a joke. So back when the ammunition market started to get real crazy, that was at the beginning of the pandemic. People were kind of panicking and ordering as much as they could. We put a checkbox in our checkout page that says, we just want to let you know it might be two to four weeks before you receive your order.

Just wanted to make sure that our customers knew what was going on. So fast forward to post election, I saw an article that there was a gun store in Missouri, I believe, that was saying that they weren't going to service Joe Biden voters. And I thought it was funny. And I like to do some trolling. I mean, we have, you know, we we enjoy spicy memes. And, you know, we've we've gotten a lot of play out of the Epstein meme, so to speak. We have it on our on our packing slips. And so I said, well, I'm going to add an additional term and condition to the checkbox that says, I agree. I didn't vote for Joe Biden just to see if anybody notices. And I'm sure some of our customers will see it and laugh. So it's been up there since the beginning of January, and really nobody noticed.

We had a couple of customers who saw it and commented on it and laughed. So we did a big sale two weeks ago, and I had a woman called, and she said, I'm on your website, and I want to order this ammunition, but I'm confused. It's asking me to check this box that says I didn't vote for Joe Biden. And I said, well, what can I help you with? And she said, well, I did vote for Joe Biden. And I said, well, you know, to be honest with you, we'd rather not take your money. And she just kind of said, what?

Are you serious? I said, yeah. Did you know that Joe Biden wants to ban the online sale of ammunition? And have you actually read any of Joe Biden's gun control plan? And she said, oh, yeah, I mean, I've read it, but you really aren't going to take my money? I said, no, I don't need it. I appreciate the call. And so she hung up, and she actually called back about half an hour later,

and we ended up having about a 45-minute discussion over the plan and the politics. And she didn't change her mind. She definitely wasn't going to change my mind. It was a decent back and forth. We had a good time, I think. And so after that, I thought to myself, well, this is actually an opportunity to educate people more so than it is just laughing in their face. So then I added the page that asks basically a gateway on the website. So if you click no, you're allowed to proceed into the site it pops up saying yeah exactly so if you vote for joe biden if you go to phoenixambo.com it will say

did you vote for joe biden if you click no it will allow you to proceed if you click yes the site redirects you to joebiden.com forward slash gun safety which is his gun control platform that he ran on. It's been up there for the entirety of his campaign. It's still up there. It was discussed in multiple Democratic debates. And we I can't I personally can't understand how anybody could have voted for him and not understood that that's what he wanted to do. But we wanted to make sure that if there are gun owners who voted for joe biden not knowing what his plans are then this isn't this isn't a good we've probably redirected more people to his site than he has through his own advertising well because when he was on debates he's like text joe biden at three oh three three oh and everyone's like wait wait, what?

It actually says on his website, and I've known this, end the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition kits, and gun parts. That's gunbroker.com. Correct.

What is it, arms list? Arms list, Bud's Guns, RK Guns. to be honest with you, it's such a silly thing to say, because especially with firearms. Let me just state this for the record. It's been said a million times. You cannot buy a firearm on the Internet and have it shipped to your home. That is not how this works. It's shipped to a gun store and you go through the exact same process. To be honest, it's like ordering, if you were to buy a car and have it sent to a dealership, I mean, you still have to fill out the paperwork. There's no way around that. Do people not know that you get background checked every time you buy a weapon? Unless you have a concealed carry? Right. So it's NICS? In some states, a concealed carry right so it's nics in some states a concealed carry permit will exempt you from getting a background check on every sale because you've already been federally background checked and fingerprinted as part of the concealed pistol license process that's how it used to be in

michigan that actually changed a few months ago but yeah every every firearm that is sold on the internet, so to speak, a background check is conducted in every one of those instances. I think the exemption for certain – I think there's like certain historical guns you can get shipped directly to you, like if you want to get like an old 1800s musket. Yeah. You might be allowed to. I don't think anyone's worried about you getting like you know an old what is it called muzzleloader muzzleloaded yeah i don't think they're super worried about that but uh if you want to get uh a 410 so i recently i tweeted about this i normally wouldn't tell people what i was mine but i bought a break barrel three inch 410 shotgun it's like for snakes and critters well i shouldn't say critters because critters technically means domestic animals

but uh varmints and it's like you can't get it shipped to it has to go to a licensed gun store you go in and i'm filling out the paperwork and then you gotta wait and they don't like me they don't they don't like me when i buy weapons for some reason so you know i think i think they're trying they've slowly started figuring out because you know i go to the store i felt the paperwork but i was getting i was getting delayed quite a bit but even even for something like that you know which is just it holds one shell at a time it is far from anything semi-automatic or whatever or even bolt action and it's gonna you know fire little pellets for for getting snakes and and you know badgers or whatever away from you and you got to go through a arjo's process for that right these people i guess they genuinely

believe when biden says this you go online and you're like i would like one fully automatic 50 bmgs you know and then sent right to my house with a thousand rounds. And people just walk around with these not-existent weapons. Yeah, Nancy Pelosi gets her crew-served automatics sent right to her house. I'll be honest. I thought that they sent it right to your house until just now. I never learned that information for whatever reason. Sure.

It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, part of that is just if you haven't really gone through the process before, I mean, it's understandable that in today's age where you buy everything on the internet and it gets shipped right to your house, you know, you order something from Amazon and it shows up tomorrow. It's reasonable for somebody who isn't part of that world to think that that might be the case, but it's been discussed so many times. I mean, this is it's been this way forever. And so it's it's hard being in the industry myself. It's it's hard to understand why that that trope is still that myth is still out there.

Well, so but it's just one that can't die. Unfortunately, to go back specifically to your website. I think it's I think I don't understand how this lady. Could try and buy. How do you vote understand how this lady could try and buy. How do you vote for Joe Biden and then try and buy ammo online? That's the crazy thing to me. Like when you said you realize that if Joe Biden's policy is enacted, my business is gone and you can't buy ammo anyway. Right. Did she not understand that?

Yeah. She said, well, if you can't sell ammo on the Internet, then you can just you'll have to just sell it to the gun stores and the big distributors. And that's where people end up buying it. It was it was a really odd conversation, to be honest with you. It was difficult because we couldn't really seem it was very hard to get to her her core principles right because she told me she bought a gun that because she wanted to be able to defend her family and i said well that's great i i applaud that i think that's a great idea uh i said what kind of gun did you buy she said i have a glock 19 and i said well hey great so do i uh did you know that joe biden wants to ban magazines with

a capacity of more than 10 rounds and a glock 19 comes with a 15 round magazine from the factory what do you think about that and she said well i would have a problem with that i i would i would turn in my 15 round magazines and i don't think i need more than i don't think i need more than 10 rounds to defend my family and i said well i would disagree with you on that premise. And we can discuss the specifics of that. Did you ask her if she's ever gone to a range? Yeah.

I said, have you done any formal firearms training? And she claimed that she did. And she wouldn't tell me who. She's lying. Probably. But I said, you know, did you know that? And this is a real statistic. Thank you, Trek atdfi for the information but uh expert law enforcement officers in uh shooting encounters what what percentage

of the rounds they fire do you think actually hit the target seven if we go and look at the seven seven percent ten percent seven percent is it seven percent what do you think uh i think it's like seven percent yeah i think it's super low it's it's 18 so it's still low but so you know for every 10 rounds fired 1.8 of those and and that that counts if i aimed at your chest and i hit you in the big toe, that counts as a hit. Right. So the point is, there's just no there's no data. There's no science. There's no research that says you only need 10 rounds that that's somehow an arbit. That's a number that somebody pulled out of their head. And she just couldn't seem to. I couldn't seem to get it into her that that is a limitation that she's going to have to figure out. And she said, well, you know, but Joe Biden's not taking away my right to own a gun. I can still own the gun. I just can't have more than 10 rounds. And I said, OK, well, what happens if he says you can only have two rounds?

Right. What about a single shot gun? Well, that's fine because I'll still be able to carry a gun. So he's not infringing upon my rights. Like, OK, well, you know. Yeah, you can carry the gun, but no bullets. Yeah, I can spend two hours on the phone with you if you want, and we can go back and forth. But it's just clear that we're never going to, you don't get it.

And I can't seem to get it into you any further than it is. You know, question. Do we need an amendment that says you have the right to bear ammo? Well, you know, the problem with the Second Amendment is it's very general. And I think the founders intended that because they wanted it to cover more than just – people think that the founders were simple creatures. And I think that's just incredibly false. So if you look at the wording of the Second Amendment, it is very general and sort of nonspecific. But I think that was the intent. They knew that times would change, weapons would change, technology would advance. I mean, it's my belief the Second Amendment is really more about the ability for humans to use technology to defend themselves more than it is about

firearms specifically. What are your feelings? And I don't want to accelerate the conversation too much. We talk about this from time to time. But what are your feelings about people owning like larger caliber weapons and like heavy weapons and high explosive weapons and things like that? Well, I don't have a problem with it at all. I think we have far too many gun laws on the books already. That's one of my biggest complaints with people on the conservative and the right end of the political spectrum. They seem to not be interested in rolling back things that are already in place. They claim that they want to prevent any more infringements but they never really discuss getting anything back so heavy weapons specifically you know back in the 1700s and 1800s

people owned warships and and cannons and it wasn't a problem then i don't see oh i'm sorry it was it was less than a problem governments consigned them asked them for help sure corsairs and privateers. You'd have the crown of Great Britain being like, we need more private mass, you know, destroyers and frigates.

Yeah. Can we find any private citizens that have massive warships that could help us out? And they loved it. You know why? They would write, I forgot what it was called.

Letters of Mark. Letters of Mark. That's exactly it. And what would happen is these private sales, corsairs and and privateers would go and basically get carte blanche to attack the spaniards the french the dutch and then if they got caught the british the crown the brits could be like oh they're pirates oh heavens we we're mad at them same as you right the original the original uh eric prince and Blackwater, right?

Exactly. That was a point Ian made earlier. Yeah. Now they just call it Blackwater. These old colonial warship owners are now corporate. They've formed corporations and have made Blackwater and other arms. But it was still not too dissimilar back then. Right.

Right. Back then, there were no... Was that before corporations? Well, not really. No, it was. East India Trading Company. These companies – Before the modern personhood corporation.

I think the first major modern corporation was like the Brooklyn Bridge Corporation, I think. It was intended to form and then dissolve, but then it had to be maintained or something. I was reading about it. Oh, gross. But I don't want to deviate the conversation too much. Yeah, so anyway, we're talking about – So about heavy weapons, mean you know back in the the days of the founders they they had the same weapons as as the military and the founders

understood that that was necessary it's impossible to to mount a rebellion against a tyrannical government if the balance of power gets shifted too far. So if we look at today, you know, you have people on the gun control side arguing that they want to ban AR-15 rifles, basic semi-automatic rifles that have been in existence since the mid 60s. But our government and our military have drones and Hellfire missiles and mraps and shoulder fire rockets so you know we we need to the balance of power is already so grossly out of whack i i don't i don't necessarily agree though i understand what you're saying that they're the you know the government's weapons are monstrously disproportionately disproportionate to the average person but this is something that we see the left bring up quite a bit. You'll never stop the U.S. government from being tyrannical because they have, you know, drones and cruise missiles and things like that. And then I just say Vietnam, Afghanistan.

Well, I agree 100 percent. I think, you know, accuracy by volume, I guess you would say. You can't occupy city streets with drones. Correct. I agree. I think what I'll I guess I'll clarify what I mean is it shouldn't we should the balance of power should be much tighter. So if the government has drones and MRAPs and missiles, I mean, why can't we have a machine gun?

Well, we can't have a machine gun because of prohibition. That's basically where that all started. I'm going to end up being the guy that's like, well, what about this weapon? What about this weapon? What about drones, drone bombers? Do you think that private citizens should have access to drone explosives? What do you mean? Like have a radio-controlled drone bomber that you could fly over someone's house and drop a bomb on it?

And you have that. Me? Any private citizen could just easily do that. Like a Hellfire missile? Not a Hellfire missile. But you can buy a drone from Best Buy and do crazy things with it. Like level a building? Yeah.

I mean, depending on the building. Not legally, though. I actually consulted on this. I was doing a consultation for universities. University was a coalition with the government. And they were talking about potential problems with drones. And I said, what are you going to do when, I'm not going to name the companies because they'll probably get mad at me for saying their name.

But we know these consumer grade drones. What do you do when you're in New York and you see one of them zip over your head down Fifth Avenue armed with explosives? You can't stop it. It's there. It's in the city. It's armed. The bomb is on it. There's nothing you can do. Oh, sure. You can knock it out of's there it's in the city it's armed the bomb is

on it there's nothing you can do oh sure you can knock it out of the sky detonate it where it is but you can't commandeer it and send it somewhere else to get encrypted controls it's already here but but we're not legally allowed to own them at the moment sure sure i don't i don't know what a private citizen would would need that for necessarily but i suppose if the second amendment is referencing explosive devices, then... I guess there's like, at what point does a weapon become offensive as opposed to defensive? Well, I guess my answer...

It's all offensive. Yeah, everything is offensive. My answer to that would be murder is illegal. And so if I, as the operator of that weapon system, decide that I can live with the ramifications... I had this argument with, I think it was the assistant lieutenant governor of Michigan. I was at an anti-gun rally trying to be a troll, more or less. And I said to him, he was talking about banning AR-15s.

And I said, you know, I have one of those in my bedroom. That's what I would use to defend my home. Why do you think that that's not something I should be able to do? And I said, let's take that a step further. If there's a, you know, a murderer in my kitchen, and I happen to have a grenade, and I decide that I want to throw this grenade at him. And I'm willing to live with the fact that I'm going to have to remodel my entire kitchen. And I know that it's not going to damage my neighbor's house. Does it really make a difference if he dies by a grenade or if he dies by an AR-15 or if he dies because I take out a kitchen knife and I stab him to death in my kitchen because he's there to kill me or my family?

Like, what difference does it make to you? Can you tell me what moral or ethical principle you think makes the difference between those scenarios? And he didn't really have an answer. Oh, that's ridiculous. That would never happen. Yeah, probably. But it doesn't get at the core of the question, which is how can a politician decide how best for me to defend my life in a situation where it's necessary for me to do so? If I kill somebody with a gun and i shouldn't

have killed that person i'm going to jail if i kill somebody with a hellfire missile and that person didn't deserve to die then i'm going to jail no probably not probably not i mean when the u.s like uh when that's true obama signed up obama didn't go to jail that's true yeah right no problem that one's okay yeah well my, like, if we had drone bombers, if, like, average citizens, because, like, a grenade, if a kid went into his father's nightstand and took out his grenade and took it to school or something and dropped it on the ground, or, like, if a kid took his dad's radio control and flew, was, like, being bullied at school and flew the drone bomber over a building and killed, like, six families in a complex.

Yeah. It's different than different than like having a gun so what if a kid took common household chemicals which i won't name which every house has brought two small bottles to their school and clogged the sink and poured them in and then killed the entire every single person in that school well that would also be brutal but it's not plug and play like like bullets and triggers i mean it's easier to actually do the mixing chemicals i don't think so i think you got to learn how to do it no you don't chemistry nope there's literally household chemicals i'm not going to say what they are that you just pour them in a sink and boom chlorine gas yeah yep and then people will start dropping dead but like triggers are like so easy to use like even like a three-year-old can pick up a gun and shoot it i mean not necessarily so i mean it depends on the weapon for sure uh it depends

on the grenade i mean it depends i think it's easier to crack open a bottle and pour it into a sink i certainly think it's easier for a child like a seven-year-old could pull the pin out of a grenade and drop it but but not mixed chlorine. I mean, it'd be very challenging. You wouldn't see a lot of average seven-year-olds mixing poison chemicals. Well, do you think the average seven-year-old would be able to operate like a standard AR well enough without any instruction just finding it? It would depend on how many operations they'd have to complete i mean if it was an ar-15 that safety's on charged with one in the chamber the safety is pretty easy to flick off and and the trigger pull is very light maybe three pounds three and a half pounds so that's plausible now if a seven-year-old had to insert

the magazine uh rack the charging handle that would be very difficult and if it didn't cycle properly and then they're trying to clear it and shake it. It would probably be hard for them to do that. So depending on what kind of weapon they have, weapons jam. And if some kid was able to first find, get access to their parents' weapon, and then get it loaded, armed, and ready to go properly, you got a problem, right? But what if they just went in the bathroom and they grabbed unsecured household chemicals that could poison an entire school? Like, the point I'm making is,

at my high school, they banned padlocks. I went there for about a month or two, and they told us we weren't allowed to have padlocks you know why apparently some kid tied a shoelace to a padlock and started swinging it around and hitting people with it and they told so they're like you can't bring them anymore and the but i guess combination locks were fine i don't know whatever i don't know if the locker i don't remember it's been it's been how long has? 18 years? They banned garbage pail kids from my school. You couldn't, you couldn't, they were worried you were going to swing padlock, take your shoelaces off. So they banned that.

Yes, you ban everything. The intention is there. Now I understand the argument against these weapons is that you get a 30 or 60 round magazine, you load it and you can walk in and you can fire off 60. It's, that's brutal. That's brutal for sure my problem with all of these laws that they keep passing is that it's already illegal what so if it's illegal to take the weapon and go and use it the idea is that well by banning these particular things it'll it won't happen but people you can easily still get them or make them

especially with 3d printed guns, too. That changes the whole argument. That's a good point. I mean, I just look at it like people make guns in prison. Right, right. It's amazing. Tell me about that. I don't know the exact specifics, but there are instances where people have made firearms in prison.

They call them zip guns. I remember going to the FBI building on a Washington, D.C. trip way back in the day with my family, and they had a whole collection of confiscated weapons from everything you could imagine, people that built firearms into canes and umbrellas, all the way to things that were made in prison. And they're very simplistic and rudimentary, but they work and you give anybody... I mean, I've seen guns in Afghanistan and foreign countries where they were literally made out of the head of a shovel. They used that as the buttstock

and they fabricated parts and it was like a couple parts from an AK-47, a couple parts from this gun. And it's a mishmash of things just crammed together with the sole purpose of being able to fire a shot. And they seemed to work okay. What do you think about banning weapons in general?

And like ammo clips, like we were saying, a 60-round clip? Yeah, I think most of that is just born out of the ignorance of folks on the anti-gun side uh being i won't say i'm an expert competitive shooter by any means but i i shoot competitively pretty regularly and and i'm around a lot of people who are amazing competitive shooters and if you see how fast these guys can change a magazine, that's the argument, is if we limit people to 10 rounds, which again is an arbitrary number, why did they pick 10? Who knows?

Because it sounded good, right? They wanted to pick a double-digit number so it didn't sound too aggressive. Oh, wow. I don't know. Who knows what their rationale was. It's psychologically functional. Right, exactly. But how fast is it to change the magazine on a handgun?

I mean, it can be done in less than a second. I call it a clip, and it is a magazine. A magazine, right. So how fast can they do it? I mean, there are people who can do it in less than a second, a second and a half. With decent practice, you can do it in under two, two and a half seconds easy.

I mean, I know people who can load 10 rounds into a shotgun in under two and a half seconds, and that's a pretty tough task. So, you know, is your average active shooter going to be, you know, a professional competition shooter? No, but any of them can practice and it can be done very easily. That being said as well, it is not particularly difficult for anybody to pick up a compound bow and learn how to fire some brutal arrows very quickly too. And I guess we can talk about like a gap in skill and like it is a lot easier to hand someone an AR-15 and say here's how it works and have a high capacity magazine, you know, or even a drum or something.

But standard capacity. Standard capacity. Don't use leftist language. and say, here's how it works, and have a high-capacity magazine, you know, or even a drum or something. But – Standard capacity. Standard capacity. Don't use leftist language. What's high-powered? Well, I meant like 100 – I know what you meant. Standard –

Not 10. We like to say standard capacity because AR-15s are shipped with 30-round magazines in every state where they're legally allowed. So less than 30 would be substandard. That's what we would say. Okay. Yeah, 11 rounds is high capacity. Yeah. Legally? That's what they say. That's what we would say. Okay. Yeah. 11 rounds is high capacity. Yeah. Legally.

That's what they try and argue. Like, yeah, anything. So in Maryland, New Jersey, I don't know which other states you can't, you can't buy a magazine bigger than 10 rounds. Man, I've mixed feelings about it because I have, I have empathy for these. I don't know, man. For some, for, for a young, angry person to walk into a school with a with a weapon with 30 rounds in the magazine and all they got to do is pull the trigger 30 times is like

but what can we what can we do i don't think getting rid of the weapon one thing would be to uh legalize full fully automatic weapons that would uh really really help in reducing the efficacy of mass shooters so uh we talked about this before i mean it uh we actually had someone super chat us this that in vietnam i guess early on the weapons were full auto and these young guys would go and spray and pray just unload burn out all their ammo and miss yeah just yeah the recoil takes it off target so the military was like yo we need selective fire they need to have full auto when they need it, but they need to be one trigger pull, one bullet. That makes people more accurate, more precise.

It's strange to me that they're like, we want to ban full auto. And I'm like, well, if somebody had a 30-round magazine, standard capacity, and it was full auto, I mean, that would go off in, what, a couple seconds? You're empty? I mean, yeah, less than a second. And then they got to change out. Instead, now it's slow and precise so yeah uh people who are the interesting thing is the idea that people think full auto would be more dangerous just shows that an inexperienced and angry individual would be less uh accurate and precise in their targeting if they had a

fully automatic weapon yeah it's more dangerous if you have like a belt fed probably and it was mounted because then you have like no recoil you've got you got a cruiser like two kids on a mountain top right tank yeah that's um what do you think about people owning tanks like arm well you can legally own a tank in the united states you drive it you yes uh you can't own a tank with an operable cannon, but you can purchase a tank, a tracked tank. I know several people that own tanks for recreational purposes. They go to historical events with them and they just they're they're fun. I mean, who the hell doesn't want to own a tank? Right. I mean, but you can have other weapons on them.

Yeah, you could put you could basically affix whatever you could legally own. But the main barrel, the thing that you think of as a tank, the cannon. What are those called, the shells? What's their measurement? Do you know? There is a few. Some of them are 80 millimeter. Some are 120 millimeter.

There's a couple of different tank bores. Depends on the model of the tank. They're basically just big bullets, right? They're big cartridges? More or less, yeah. It's called officially the barrel on a – the weapon on a tank is called a cannon because it's a smooth bore over a particular diameter. So it's called a cannon. But, yeah, they're effectively firing a very, very large projectile.

And in their case, they have projectiles that are suited for different purposes. They have ones that explode. They have some that form a copper penetrator that's able to go through armor. So they have different rounds for different purposes. Think of it more like a shotgun where you have buckshot versus a slug versus a sabot slug, things like that. What's a a slug versus a sabo slug things like that what's a sabo slug so a sabo slug is basically a small a smaller diameter projectile that's encased in a sabo which is basically

um i'm trying to think of the way to describe it it's it's an outer casing that falls away as it leaves the barrel and so those are in they have very very in tanks they have penetrator projectiles that are manufactured out of uh really hard uh tungsten tungsten carbide and they basically look like an arrow they're very thin and long and so the sabo makes it so that it can fit in a 120 millimeter cannon but the actual projectile is quite thin, maybe the thickness of your wrist or something. And that way, when it hits, all the energy is concentrated, and tungsten and tungsten carbide will shear off in a particular way that allows it to penetrate through armor. Is sabot S-A-B-O-U-T? S-A-B-O-T, yes.

Okay, so I would have said sabot. Sab sabot sabot i've heard people call it sabot yeah so i i think it's sabot uh it could be sabot i'm sure french check somebody will correct us in the comments no doubt yeah um what about depleted uranium rounds uh well uh that made quite a mess in the gulf war didn't it? Yeah. That's what they say is one of the contributors to Gulf War syndrome. You know, they use depleted uranium because it's very dense and very heavy, and that allows it to penetrate through things that – certain types of armor that standard projectiles. I mean, basically, when you're designing a projectile, you want the densest and heaviest thing that you can get. So that's why we use lead in standard ammunition. But then they got into things like tungsten and tungsten carbide, things that are more dense. And depleted uranium is much more dense. The problem is

it's still radioactive. And so you have all this depleted uranium ammunition all over Iraq. And who knows what that's doing it is it is sabo okay is it french sabo uh i don't know it sounds like a french word maybe the depleted uranium apparently was it is french one of the um from the word shoe so it's like a shoe for the tungsten rod there you go cool shoe and boot yep um yeah the depleted uranium apparently was a big part of why they're coming back with golf war syndrome what they were calling that's what they claim yeah just sickness they didn't know why so what do you think about civilians having depleted uranium uh i guess that's hard to say i mean

i think it's a bad idea to have depleted uranium laying around just from an environmental standpoint. I don't I don't think that that's a good idea. Shall not be infringed. That's true. I do think. That's rough. Well, I do think civilians should be allowed to own armor piercing ammunition and armor piercing ammunition in certain circumstances. Yes, you cannot steal.

You can't own armor piercing ammunition that can be chamber yes you cannot steal core you can't own uh armor piercing ammunition that can be chambered in a handgun and that's actually was a problem during the obama years because there are certain types of ammunition for ar-15 rifles notably the m855 projectile has a steel pin penetrator that can penetrate some types of armor and now that the industry is building a lot of ar-15 pistols in a configuration that's a pistol yeah there was an argument that that round should be banned because it's not just a rifle round it's also a pistol round luckily it didn't happen but it was close and this is like it's the same gun but just with a different buttstock and grip so they're calling it correct same power and

everything correct so i have uh i have an m1a for home defense and some states have made it illegal to have an m1a yet we talked about this like this, like, the SCAR-20S, which is a modern.308, which is just, in my opinion, I guess, better. Maybe some people disagree. It's got actual scope on it, and the accuracy is, having shot both, I'm like, wow. Yet, the M1A is the illegal one? And then I had

a bunch of people in the Super Chat saying an M1A is not a home defense weapon. And then other people were like, if you defend your home with it, it's a home defense weapon. And then other people were like, if you defend your home with it, it's a home defense weapon. And then I said, if it doesn't shoot, it's heavy, you can hit them with it.

There you go. That's very true. And they would do that in World War II. Right, right, right. But the scope is not a defensive weapon. If you have a scope on it,

that's because you're hunting something. Well, you want to be accurate. Yeah. You're never going to scope someone in your house. The M1A is just, what is it?

It comes with iron sights initially. You could probably mount – You could put an optic on it. Yeah, yeah. There's ways to mount an optic. So the scopes, substantially better technology. And in fact, you can get some really brutal scopes. I mean I got one that has – it's night vision and it's a camera. It records everything and it's night vision.

It's amazing. So if – I don't go out at night whatever but you know luke insisted that i get it he's like you gotta get this it's so cool i'm like all right i guess but you know it's it's the point i'm bringing up i guess is that the laws are are meaningless essentially like we're talking about okay this ammo has to be banned now because it can be chambered in what's technically a pistol but then what's interesting is that what's considered a pistol in New Jersey is not the same thing that's considered a pistol in, say, like Pennsylvania or a different state. Yeah.

I mean, they might have similar definitions, but they have their own laws on measurements and there's no uniformity. Maybe the answer is more uniformity across the entire country and less restriction, I guess. But then you have all these blue states. More uniformity means they're going to impose more strict regulations that make no sense on states that shouldn't be regulated in that way. Right. I mean part of the problem that we get into in the gun community, the criticism we often get from people on the anti-gun side is that we spend too much time arguing the language and the semantics.

So people tend to get real angry when people say clip instead of magazine or, oh yeah, they get mad at us. Assault weapon versus assault rifle. But the issue is these things are very, very important because all of these are legally defined terms by, by our, in, in our, in our system of laws and by the ATF. And so when you start to change the definition of things, then you you get outside of the legal scope. So you have to understand what is the legal definition of an assault rifle. And if you call it an assault weapon, if you call what is an assault rifle and assault weapon, we have to correct you because we have to be

operating under the actual definitions within the law as they are written. And we just can't allow that. It gets real messy. And what's the difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon? One doesn't exist. One is an archaic term. Assault weapon was a word more or less invented during the Clinton years when they were looking to ban AR-15s the first time around. So basically assault weapon is anything that looks scary. So they looked at the AR-15 and said that's an assault weapon because it looks kind of like an assault rifle, which is actually a legally defined term, a fully automatic weapon, a select fire weapon. And it looks like that, but it's legally not that. So we're going to make up a new word so that people in their brain associate the two as one in the same.

Wow. So there are no assault weapons legally. Correct. Okay. Yeah, especially considering different states have different definitions. Right. So there's no universal assault weapon it is i don't even know what that's supposed to mean you know like i think there was there was an attempt a couple years ago to make a glock 17 an assault weapon because it was a semi-automatic firearm that had a detachable magazine or

something like that so they actually have yes tried to ban effectively all guns. And they argue they don't. But the problem is when you get somebody who doesn't know what semi-automatic means. Now, here's I'll tell you this. I've always known what semi-automatic meant because I had a dad who was a Marine and he was like, here's what it means. You pull the trigger once the bullet comes out. You know, the next round goes in the chamber. Then you can pull the trigger again.

Full auto. You hold the trigger down. But if people don't know that semi-automatic means you pull the trigger once and one bullet comes out, and then you get someone come out and say, we need to ban all semi-automatic weapons. There's no reason someone should be able to just pull the trigger and ba-da-da-da-da-da, because they don't know the difference, or they're lying. Regular people think a semi-automatic weapon is a fully automatic weapon, and then think they're banning fully automatic weapons when they're actually banning 95% of all modern weapons or basically every modern weapon, I guess. Right.

Say, you know, I guess if you're using lever action, bolt action or revolver or whatever. And burst fire is a little confusing because that's also considered semi-automatic. No, no, that's full auto. Burst fire is considered fully auto, a machine gun effectively so if you pull the trigger and three bullets come out basically the definition is uh a a single function of the trigger that that's the key term uh in in the atf so how many bullets come out with a single function of the trigger besides if it's an assault rifle right it defines whether it's a machine gun or or not a machine assault rifle a select fire yes yes and so assault a machine gun is a type of assault rifle but not all assault rifles are

machine guns well correct machine guns typically have the ability to shoot one or or full uh some do some don't is it so what's an example of an assault rifle that's not a machine gun? That would be – I don't think that's a thing, is it? I'm not exactly – I guess you could say an M16 rifle with a three-burst feature and not a full-auto feature. I would say that would be an assault rifle but not really a machine gun. Because no full auto? Correct. But does that exist? Yeah, they do.

There are M16s that have a three-round burst and no fully automatic feature. For the same reason that you noted in Vietnam. Yeah, right. Being able to shoot three rounds is relatively controllable, whereas fully automatic is much less. The full auto thing is a good example of how these laws are backwards and actually make everything worse yeah so one of the things that i recently was dealing with i was talking to a gun shop and was talking about bolt action rifles now bolt action rifles typically are they're completely ignored by the gun control

people for the most part they're still you know regulations and restrictions but they're concerned about the scary assault weapons you know the air 15s the magazines and all that other stuff the high capacity magazines of 11 rounds and so i asked them i was like so bolt action basically is ignored by all this stuff right and they're like yeah and and i was like why and they laughed and said because it's safer even though they're more accurate so that's another example of these people passing these regulations have no idea what they're more accurate. So that's another example of these people passing these regulations have no idea what they're talking about. And in most cases, bolt action rifles like you would use for hunting are chambered in much more powerful rounds. I mean, you can buy

a bolt action rifle in 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua that's going to go much farther and contains orders of magnitude more energy than a 5.56 cartridge. And you can fire them particularly quickly, I'd imagine. Sure. Yeah, you can cycle a bolt-action rifle pretty quickly. And they've caught on to that because I've seen advertising from anti-gun folks trying to claim that bolt-action rifles with a scope and a bipod are sniper rifles. So we need to ban these sniper rifles. They'll ban everything.

Like I said, the school wouldn't let me have a padlock. You're going to throw it at somebody. Yeah, well, you can throw a rock at somebody. What does that mean? Yeah, banning things is a weird – man, it is a weird conversation because you don't want to give people depleted uranium bullets. Well, that's where things get interesting, because when we were talking about gun control stuff a few weeks ago, we had Luke and Luke loves guns. And I was talking about in, you know, urban versus rural issues. And I said, what if you're in, say, New York and you live in one of these concrete cubicles stacked on top of some other people in places like sour milk and

you know somebody breaks into your apartment and you've got uh you know an ar-15 with maybe like a 308 or something if you shoot that it's gonna go through it's gonna penetrate and you've got tons of people living around you and luke immediately and instinctively said then maybe we don't allow certain calibers like oh there it is gun Telling people they can't have certain weapons because of the caliber of bullet. It is a challenge. I think, you know, it was funny because one of the reasons I liked Bernie Sanders years ago was when he was asked about gun control, being from Vermont where people love their guns, he said it's an urban versus rural issue.

He's right. If you live in a tiny concrete cubicle with paper thin walls and you can hear your neighbors banging, you're going to be like, I'm pretty glad they don't have guns because if they shoot even in an intruder, it could penetrate into my apartment and I got to deal with it. And we've seen that happen with police shooting into one building and then one apartment and then hitting other apartments. So this makes people in cities think very, very differently about guns. Not to mention they have cops within a few minutes of them typically, and people who live in rural areas don't. But that's a very difficult challenge. Like you mentioned depleted uranium.

Sure. But in a city in general, when like when the NYPD was coming after this dude who was leaving, I think it was the Empire State Building. He killed his boss or something. They were trying to shoot at him and they missed and shot like seven civilians. Now, that's an issue of these cops not being trained particularly well. Yeah, we talked about that earlier. That's very interesting. But there are more ramifications for living in an extremely densely populated area and having guns.

The problem, I think, for these big cities and for even people who say you shouldn't have depleted uranium is, okay, well, then maybe you've got to amend the Constitution first. I understand people might say it's common sense that you shouldn't have depleted uranium, and I don't think people should have depleted uranium bullets. But how do you reconcile that with a Second Amendment saying well the founding fathers never intended it says very generally the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed like you would not want to give people weapons of mass destruction but they had

them that's a vague phrase well not really they couldn't carpet bomb cities and stuff they could in the 1700s, they couldn't. Yes, they could. Well, not really carpet bomb. The frigates could have a row of dozens of cans go, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it would just blanket wipe out these port cities. Coastal cities, yeah.

Yeah, one ship. And they were private individuals who owned these things. So I think the issue I have with all of this stuff, take a look at like hate crimes, for instance. It's already illegal. Right. They're now saying like, oh, the Capitol insurrectionurrection we should make all these things illegal we should make we should try no no no we don't need new laws enforce the law you already have if someone takes anything

and then kill somebody with it it's a crime it's a crime to kill people but if someone did sail a boat up on like what's a good coastal city miami and just good coast yeah just laid waste to it with artillery fire. And then you're like, oops, I guess we got to arrest that guy. But in the meantime, 60,000 people were killed by artillery fire. Like, that's a mistake in the law for letting that guy get that weapon. Well, that's a mistake for the Coast Guard not intercepting a destroyer with a bunch of artillery on it. What if it doesn't even look like the destroyer, you know?

Well, that's just an inherent problem of reality. Like I mentioned, the drones. What's to stop someone from taking a drone, forbid and doing something crazy with it and i warned i warned uh uh uh people involved with government regulation on drones in 20 2012 when i said you need to pay attention to this stuff because someone could take a consumer grade drone and do something insane with it and if someone's if someone's standing outside of new york and they fly a drone into the city it's done now you could argue that it's difficult to come into the city with some kind of weapon but even then someone could just walk into new york with a crazy weapon yeah i lived i lived in new york when they planted bombs in

jersey city and manhattan and that was when i was like i don't want to live in the city anymore the police couldn't stop someone from just carrying in. It was a pressure cooker. It was like a right, you know, whatever. And they blew it up. So it's not even about drones, to be honest. It's about the fact that people can do these things. It's like I mentioned. A kid can take household chemicals, go to a school, and mix stuff up in a bathroom.

And then all of a sudden, people are going to start vomiting and getting sick and potentially die. I keep thinking about mental health. Whenever I have this conversation, I really get down to it. I'm like, well, it's a mental health issue. If we're kidding, putting kids on like psychoactives and like psycho stimulants to, to dull their ADD or whatever. And then they, they have no friends and they have no love. And then they, they think they're in a video game. Yeah. I think there's a big problem with that in, in modern culture, people want to blame the tool and not the parenting or the decisions that they make. And if you look at most of the mass shooters, I mean, Adam Lanza,

Sandy Hook, the most memorable in the most awful way, obviously. No real father figure was taking antidepressants. And that's just a recipe for disaster. And unfortunately, we spend all of our time now looking at how do we ban the tool that he used as opposed to looking at, okay, how could we have solved that problem before it happened? Same thing with Parkland. I mean, if anybody has read, I would encourage any everybody to read the book, Why Meadow Died by Andy Pollack. He was Meadow's father, one of the one of the students who was killed in the Parkland shooting. And he talks about in the book, very detailed about how many, just how, how much was overlooked, uh, as far as the, the teachers and the schools for this shooter. I mean, they, they knew he was a problem. They, they tried to get him out of the school, but there were a number

of policies in Florida that they were trying to reintegrate kids with mental problems into a normal school setting. And, you know, they had this kid who was mentally disturbed with, you know, kids who had problems like, you know, autism or other disabilities. And it just didn't work. And they knew it didn't work. And they did everything they could uh to prevent it from they thought that they were doing what everything that they could to prevent it from happening but what they were really doing was setting things up for disaster i mean the kid was i i don't know the i don't remember the exact policy but in broward county kids were allowed

to have two uh felony i believe felony convictions per year before they would be removed from the school. And that was a reset every year. So you get felonies. I'm sorry, misdemeanors. No, I was like, they'd be impressed. So you'd have a kid with two, you know, kid could have two misdemeanors as a freshman, two misdemeanors as a sophomore, two misdemeanors as a junior. And they would, the kid was still allowed to be in school.

So, I mean, yeah, you can look at the tool that he used and try to demonize that and demeanors as a junior and they would the kid was still allowed to be in school so i mean yeah you can look at the the tool that he used and try to demonize that and try to spend all of your time and all this congressional effort trying to ban this this uh you know object but meanwhile they you know they didn't even get rid of they they were trying to reinstate uh the sheriff uh yeah it was just an awful situation i knew i knew some dude who worked in a lab and he told me he didn't think terrorism was real and i said that's a bold and ludicrous statement of course terrorism is real it's just what do you mean by that what he said was he didn't think these stories you hear about like these attacks are intended to be mass destruction

and chaos to scare the population. Like when we hear about terror overseas, what he was saying was, no, those are just attacks on military installation by military forces against military forces. The idea that they hate us for our freedom or that they're trying to maximize death or scare someone in a small town and thinking they'll be a victim. He didn't think was real simply because he worked in a lab. And he said, there's a chemical that i can buy in bulk for cheap that if you touched you would get violently ill and if you got it on your hand it would seep

in your skin you would die and he was like and if you anyone in this lab wanted to you could sprinkle that in in public in some on a railing for instance mercury kill 50 000 people because it goes into your skin goes into your system and then kills you and he's like it never happens no one ever does that and so he's like you hear these stories about a terror attack on a military installation that what they're trying to say is the terror is scaring people into giving in to some political demand no these are just people attacking a military installation to target the military the target a military target if it was really about scaring people into wearing a mask then then you would see something particularly insane because

there i'm not i'm not i don't want to i'm not going to repeat the chemical you know he mentioned but he said there is a you know powdery substance that they work with in the labs all the time that they're like you have to be in full gear and it is it goes into your skin it kills you he's like why aren't why aren't you know why don't people do these things bioterror it's it's arguably but like it's always some extremely convoluted and like difficult explode like ieds are more complicated he was like like building the explosive is harder than just buying a chemical and sprinkling it somewhere right so he thinks it's more about you know what we were seeing overseas was directed military attacks against an adversary adversarial military against us and the media frames it as

terror like they're trying to scare civilians that's not the case they're not they're not targeting us here for the most part the point is i think people look to guns because they're scary because it's kind of like a boogeyman, essentially. You mentioned it's the tool. Right. But if you talk to people who own guns, like, it's crazy to me that I can walk around in, you know, you go to a gun shop, everybody's got a gun. Like, am I supposed to be worried about that? Are there genuinely people who are scared when they see a guy, a random person with a gun?

There was one video I was watching recently where there's a guy in a store and he's store and he's got a gun just holstered in his hip and there's a woman yelling at him like oh my god he's got a gun why and they're yelling and other people are like who cares who is this like urban liberal woman shocked to see a regular guy with a weapon or there was a there's photos posted by journalists where it's like you'll have a bunch of guys in a store and they'll have like ars like on their shoulders and they're like, I can't believe this is America. What are these people doing? And it's like, it's like a normal thing. People walking around with weapons

in certain parts of the country. They're shocked by it. They're terrified. But like when the cops do it, I guess now to be honest, they're scared of cops too and they want to get rid of them. But my position now on the abolish the police thing

is like, I don't care, do it. In fact, more power to you. If you want to vote to abolish police, yeah, do your thing, man. I don't live there. I don't got to worry about it. They kind of did that in Seattle, didn't they? And then they were begging for the peace. Minneapolis.

Minneapolis. And then they were begging for them to come back. Right. Yeah. Law enforcement's a godsend. When, what's the joke? It's like, I forgot how you phrase it, but in the apocalypse, the people without guns are just collecting food with the people with guns. You know?

Yeah, it's funny you say that because it reminds me. I used to watch that show Doomsday Prepper on whatever it was, history, national, whatever channel. And I remember this one episode. There was a woman. She was, like, you know, 300 pounds, grossly overweight, and she was building this prepper community. They had like maybe 10 or 15 people that were all part of it, and they had five years' worth of food stored. And she kept saying how they're pacifists and we don't have any weapons here. I teach self-defense, and they showed a couple clips of her doing her self-defense.

None of it was any good. And, you know, I. The proper lady. Yeah. I mean, as a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt, I can say that it was no good. And I just kept thinking to myself, you know, basically, you guys are just collecting food and water for the first group of able bodied armed men that show up at your place and decide to take your stuff. Yeah. And it was mind-boggling how she seemed to have thought out every other piece of the pie, but that one was such a gaping hole.

And you're basically the modern-day Quakers, more or less. Yeah. You're not going to harm anything and ultimately, you know, it's not going to work out for you in the end. These cities are going to be – and I wonder if it's going to be relatively soon, to be honest. The cities are going to be wastelands. You know, the people are going to be eating each other. I don't think the regular people understand it. And I think so many people.

I mean, look at Houston right now. Houston's grocery stores look like Venezuela. And they've been without power for a few days. It's a bad ice storm. It's not even been a week. It's horrible. And there's no food. Listening to various podcasts and radio on the way in, It's all because the truckers can't get in.

You know, they can't get in because there's too much snow on the roads, too much ice. And as soon as the trucks stop, the city's grind to a halt. And that's when reality sinks in. It's a scary idea, man. Within a few days, these cities are without food. What do these people do? What happens if right? So right now you've got relief.

You've got aid. Federal government will intervene in some capacity to get food to people. People will find their way in. But what happens if there was a total collapse? Not that like people would be dying or anything, but just like let's say right now there was a disruption of some sort that resulted in the trucker supply line ceasing and the federal government unable or unwilling to intervene what would a city like new york do within three days no more food food spoils food is is consumed people got to eat every single day what happens like to assume worst case scenario something like cometary impact volcanic eruption global catastrophe and it rains for like 20 for like

100 days straight or 20 days straight or something floods the entire country get everywhere over earth gets flooded and the government can't get to every city it just cannot the federal government is equipped maybe for one city maybe in houston it's not even equipped it's gonna be brutal you can't stop the ice look at katrina yeah the the floods you can't stop the floods you can only try and survive it and so let's say what do they do this is if if if look at houston right now within not even a week the food is gone and they're and you know what i love more than anything is that it's a gun state for one thing right you've got these liberal liberals not leftists leftists love guns they're pro 2a liberals these urban corporate pro democrat liberals are so anti-gun and they're in one of the most vulnerable positions.

Because I'll tell you this, in Chicago, for instance, people got guns. A lot of people got guns. And the people who have the guns are typically not good people. They're gangs. Right. And just, you know, they're committing crimes. What would happen if Chicago got cut off? You know, what would happen if...

They would take over. That would be like the new government. I mean, I don't... off? You know, what would happen if... They would take over. That'd be like the new government. I mean, I don't... The gangs, right? It'd be like gang warfare for the city. The gangs essentially operate like governments and to a certain capacity with their territories. But it wouldn't necessarily be that they would take over.

They would take. You'd be in your house. Some guy would walk up, break your door open, and you would have no way to protect yourself. It's not easy to get a gun in Illinois. Right. So it's easy for the criminals because they can hop over to Indiana, buy them, bring them in because they don't care about breaking federal law or state law. They just do not care.

Now, you on the other hand, a good law abiding citizen, you're in trouble now. Within three or four days, there's no food left anywhere. Power goes out. Food spoils. Roads are shut down. Nothing's getting in. Next thing you know, you've got gangs coming to your house and taking what little food you had left. What are you going to do? People are going to get killed. People are going to get robbed. And if you look at, say, like Ukraine after the

fall of the Soviet Union, you want to know what happens when there's a collapse? The people with guns. This is what I was told by my Ukrainian friend. I said, how did the oligarchs become oligarchs? Like these people who just own everything. And she was like, oh oh when the soviet union collapsed they just shut the factories with guns and said we're the boss now and the workers were like okay tell us what to do the workers were so used to having bosses than the government that when everything got shut down the guy the foreman of the the guy running the factory is like who do i answer to all of a sudden some random guy shows up who's like 20 with a with a bunch of goons and they've got weapons. And he's like, don't worry, we'll tell you what to do.

We own this place now. They're like, OK. All of a sudden now these people own everything. Sounds like government. Right. To be honest, you know, most people are just looking to follow orders of some sort. You know, they want to be told when to go to to work when to go to school what to do and you know without government then they'll they'll follow i mean look at mexico you know you have basically the government is the cartels yeah the cartels tell the government

what to do in some cases and people follow what the car people are more afraid of the cartels than they are of the government definitely i mean people in america are scared of the cartel sure and the cartels want to make sure you know it like i know american journalists who have had to like back off of stories they'll they'll write the dumbest craziest things about the u.s military and its politicians and they'll call you know the president and politicians the worst names in the world and then they'll be like i've got i received a threat outside my house a bullet was it was in front of my door because i was reporting on the cartels. And they'll be like, well, you hear stories like that. I know some people who are involved in activist community stuff who are like, yeah, we're

bowing out. Because the cartels, they're not concerned. They don't have rules. But Luke is really obsessed with this one part of Mexico. Do you remember what it's called, Lydia? I don't remember. Where they got rid of government? I can never remember.

Yeah. I think the name of the city starts with a M. I was just looking at it the other day because I was using that argument with somebody, an anti-gun person. And I said, you know, look, these people got sick of getting raided by the cartels and having their people killed. And the government wasn't doing anything to stop it and so they decided to take it upon themselves and uh tell the cartels to get the hell out and they couldn't have done that without being armed yeah that's just the the the end of it it's crazy it's it's it's it's funny when i i i love i've i've never been throughout my whole life a staunch to a person right now it's funny i get messages from people they're like it's crazy how far you know pro-gun you've gone and i'm like well look i'm not an absolutist

but i absolutely uh do think the constitution is important and if people disagree with the broad language of 2a you got to change the constitution you can't just pass these laws like they've been doing but they do it anyway so you know far be it for me to uh tell people uh what what what you know can't happen when it literally happens aspiring president but but i love arguing with people about guns just because they don't know anything and so i can be like listen i'm more than happy to entertain a conversation about like depleted uranium because that's a serious question like if somebody's just walking around with depleted uranium bullets and putting that in the ground, even for target practice, you got serious problems.

But that's a debate that needs to happen. And I think there's some reasonable, you know, concerns about things like that, reciprocity, uniformity, that we need to deal with in this country where the states don't have, you know, what if somebody wants to drive across state lines? You know, and that's a problem

in the gun community as well. And I'll admit that I sometimes get trapped in those discussions where, you know i sometimes get trapped in those discussions where you know you you get you're trapped in these discussions about the fringes well what happened you know what do you think about rocket launchers what do you think about grenades what do you think about depleted uranium etc and it's like we can argue about that all day long but there's so many things that are that are banned that really make no sense okay so like M1A. Yeah, like an M1A. Or, for example, you can have an AR-15 with a barrel that's 16 inches long,

but if it's 15.9 inches long, you're a felon. You go to prison. And not only that, if you own an AR-15 with a 16-inch barrel and you also own an AR-15 barrel that's only 10 inches long because you're going to build a pistol out of it in a configuration that would be legally allowable. There have been people that have been charged by the ATF for constructive possession because they said, well, you owned an AR-15 with a 16-inch barrel, but you also had this 10-and-a-half-inch barrel. So theoretically, you could have constructed an AR-15 in an illegal configuration. So we're going to charge you with constructive possession. So, I mean, it's like who, you know, who decided that 16 inches was the right length? Why not 15? Why not 14? Why not 18? Right. Who decided that number? Well, it was decided by the

National Firearms Act of 1934. And we have never had a discussion about that ever since. Why not? There have been conversations about inventing new kinds of weapons, similar projectile weapons, smokeless powder-based, but using things other than primers, other than hammers, maybe electrical charge, or there's also directed energy weapons. And the issue is, will the language of law have to become so vague that it's an inversion of the Second Amendment? Because I bring up the household chemicals, right?

There's also household appliances that can be turned into some seriously devastating weapons. Household appliances. You'd watch these videos on YouTube, man. You'll be like, I didn't know I could do that with one of those things.

And you'll be like, yeah. And I mean, people can easily make some pretty powerful and devastating weapons that could theoretically be more dangerous depending on the context or even worse. You know, simple question, would you rather get shot or set on fire and have, you know, second degree burns all over your body? There's some serious questions about that because the long-term damage to skin is devastating. So when you look at what's available in the home for people to use as weapons, I suppose the argument is, yeah, but people, if they don't know how to do it or need, you know, some kind of labor, then it's easy to pick up a gun and just use. I guess the ultimate issue is we're dealing with 3D printed weapons.

We're dealing with new kinds of directed energy weapon technology that you can't even see. Infrared lasers, for instance, or microwave technology. What are they going to do? Are they going to pass a law saying the transmission of any kind of energy object, material mass, or other substance structure or otherwise that is emitted from one point from near one person by their control and and makes contact with another person and by means causes a negative impact would be considered a crime like does the law have to get to that point sure i mean that's basically an argument that i gave to somebody about ar-15s i said you know the minute the minute that Elon Musk invents a solar-powered laser rifle with unlimited ammo, I'm going to want one of those, too, because that sounds a whole hell of a lot better than an AR-15. And so if, you know, internet technology that I mean, it outpaces the ability for government to regulate what is being invented. And that's really what we're talking about here is, you know, how do we regulate human innovation? And effectively, that's what the second that's what that's what people on the left are trying to do

with the Second Amendment. And they've just – unfortunately, we've allowed them to be successful in some manner. So one of the biggest challenges with directed energy weapons, say a massive, extremely high-powered infrared laser, which you can't see, can be pointed at someone or something and set them on fire or burn holes through structures. They've done naval demonstrations where they have a drone flying, and point this massive infrared laser and it just instantly hits it. It's a speed of light and the drum bursts into flames and then goes down and crashes. One of the biggest challenges is the amount of energy required for that. With firearms, that energy is stored very simply as chemical energy in a cartridge and then is focused through the barrel with some rifling. You get a spin, you get better accuracy. It converts that energy wonderfully. Directed energy weapons waste a lot of energy.

But Ian. Graphene. Exactly. Graphene with super capacitor batteries. I mean, we're like, what, half an hour in? We haven't even talked about graphene. Well, so I bring this up because, Ian, you often talk about graphene technology, how it's going to be revolutionary. And you're right.

But don't you think they're going to weaponize it yeah they're going to use fusion pack power with graphene super capacitors to stir the charge and they'll be setting stuff on fire from 600 yards so what what happens then when some kid finds his dad's graphene fusion pack ir blaster and he puts it on his backpack and then he's holding this like long you know tube and then he just points it at people and then some kids goes and then bursts into flames and then he's just pointing it sweeping across and no one knows where it's coming from it's just all these kids and bursting into flames and then he walks away no one knows what happened it's horrifying to think of but the problem with these laws is that they don't stop that like you you've mentioned this before 3d printing it's out if the cat's out of the bag i know dude i'm concerned with with weapons of mass destruction

even though that's a vague term like how do you define and if you guys know legally how do you define a weapon of mass destruction you know i'm not sure i don't i don't know when i think of like lasers or bullets that's like a kid or a guy. Worst case scenario takes out 100 people, maybe 120 people. That's not to me really mass destruction. I think of like leveling buildings and blocks. It says killing numerous people and leveling buildings, but there's no real. It's vague. Six people could be numerous.

That's what I'm concerned with is mass destruction, like the ability to wipe out cities, villages, towns, families. If we give that power to a dad that can forget and leave it out for his kid to pick up, then I start to get nervous. I mean, I look at the judgment of some of our politicians and I,

I get nervous. I don't care if it's Trump, I don't care if it's Biden. And the whole reason we're here is because of the second amendment, man. I mean, it's the, it's basically because they armed themselves and were able to overthrow a dictatorial monarchy.

That doesn't explain other countries. A lot of countries have these weapons. A lot of these countries have, you know, despot lunatics who are armed to the teeth. North Korea is building nukes. The benefit for the Second Amendment is actually great. And we're lucky the United States exists, in fact, because it's probably a deterrent. The famous quote, you can't invade America because of every blade of grass. I don't know if that's a real quote.

I think it might be like apocryphal. But it's true. And now we've got millions of new gun owners. About 20 million. 20 million. 20 million. That's the rough estimate. That we know of.

Like legal gun, like registered gun owners. And then the 3D printing craze. And I just read an article, maybe I should have brought it with me, that I think 3D printing guns has taken like an evolutionary leap in the last year. Yeah, the technology is getting much, much better. 3D printing technology is coming down in price. And the materials that they can print with are getting much better. Metal 3D printing is already available. The price point is more than what a consumer can afford.

But, I mean, things are only going to get better over time. The technology is going to get smaller. It's going to get cheaper. So, I mean, the government is already behind the power curve in that way. Well, so you think. It's just a matter of, you know, how bold're going to dare the government to tell us to stop. I mean, that's really when you get to the point where decisions have to be made, more or less.

I mean, technology for home manufacturing is getting better and better and better. It's not going to stop. They're going to have to ban home milling machines, you know, people who have CNC machines at their home. I know a guy who had a relatively small machining, CNC machine for metal parts, and he could just take blocks of metal and cut them very easily

in a small little building he owned. Yeah, I mean, this idea that, like, manufacturing firearms at home is something new or that the government never conceived of that we have to deal with is just so silly because, I mean, in the 18th century, that's how you made a firearm. I mean, you more or less had to either build it yourself or you had, I mean, that's where the term lock, stock and barrel comes from. You had a, uh, a metal Smith that made the, the lock, the, the Flint lock mechanism. You had a craftsman who made the stock and then you had another, uh, metal Smith who made the barrel and they put all those pieces together. And so your firearm, uh, if it broke, you couldn't just take parts from

your buddy's firearm to fix it because they probably wouldn't fit. They'd be different size, different shape. I mean, that was the big thing that Samuel Colt brought to the table. You know, people credit Henry Ford for the production line and mass manufacturing. But it was really Samuel Colt, who did that, he modernized manufacturing and got to the point of interchangeable parts and mass production. There's a story, I don't know if it's true or if it's colloquial, but that he was, I believe it was the, I can't remember what government, he was trying to sell his revolvers

to a foreign country. And so he went there and as part of the demonstration, he put out a number of the revolvers to a foreign country. And so he went there and as part of the demonstration, he put out a number of the revolvers on the table. He fired them all to show that they worked. And then he took them all apart and he put all the parts in a box and mixed all the parts together. And then he reassembled all the revolvers, you know, obviously with parts from other revolvers.

So you couldn't tell what was what. And then he fired them all again to show that they worked. And everybody was just could not believe that that was possible, that all the parts would work in the other firearms. And that was kind the area where tooling and manufacturing techniques were getting to the point where they were precise enough to allow that to happen. So now it looks like we're in the next phase of that with 3d printing. You can print the actual parts on demand in your house. Sure. Okay. So it wouldn't be the replaceable part revolution,

but the, I don't know what you call it. Home manufacturing. Home manufacturing. Right. Yep. Exactly. Making home manufacturing. Home manufacturing, right. Yep, exactly. Making home manufacturing.

Low skill. Right, low skill. I mean, I know all kinds of CNC machinists that can make a firearm with the machines that they have no problem. But the idea is making it easy. I mean, I was interested in the 80% lower community, you know, years ago. So basically, you can buy what's called an 80% lower receiver for an AR-15. And what that means is it has some of the machining operations are not been completed. So it's not considered a firearm.

It's basically just a block of metal. It's not serialized. You can purchase one right off the internet and ship it to your home. It's not a firearm. It's basically just a block of metal. It's not serialized. You can purchase one right off the internet and ship it to your home. It's not a firearm. So there was a community of people who are machining these into a finished receiver. And at first, the techniques were pretty rudimentary. You bought a jig and you basically did it with a drill press. You just machined out everything one hole at a time. And they were kind of crude and messy i mean they worked but they weren't all that great and then defense distributed made the ghost gunner cnc and uh so it's a small cnc machine about the size of a microwave and you put your lower receiver in

there and a jig and you press the button you walk And a few hours later, all the machining is done, and it's perfect, and all the corners are sharp. You don't have to register that? No, it doesn't have to be registered. It doesn't have to be serialized. If you're manufacturing it for your personal use, you can't sell it because it doesn't have a serial number. But you can make them for your own purposes. So that was kind of the first iteration. And the Ghost Gunner costs about $2,000,

so it's not like it's super cheap. But the point is it made home manufacturing much easier, much more precise, set it and forget it. And that was kind of the first craze. But you still have state laws, right? You still have, at the state level, you can't have certain weapons. Sure, yeah. Every state is a little bit different um so you you have to figure out what's legal in your state i mean in

new jersey i i know that they don't allow 80 receivers uh there's other states i don't know them all off the top of my head but i mean that's a big problem in and of itself is the laws are so convoluted and they basically are just a number of of traps more or less so you know you can assemble a firearm totally innocently and make something that is illegal without you really have to know the law before you start putting things to together that are outside of sort of the standard configuration. You could invent something new. Right. You know, this is ultimately the bigger issue with everything is there's just invention, you know.

Someone's going to come up with something and it's not going to be regulated. Designer weapons. Right. something and it's not going to be regulated designer weapons right and that's and that's a problem too is because the laws are so convoluted and and because you have to get a federal firearms license etc to do certain things sot license it's stifled innovation so if you're if you're a hobbyist gunsmith and you have a really good idea for a new type of machine gun that you think is very important something let's say that you you think this machine gun could revolutionize the u.s military and you really want to design this thing on your own you want to patent it on your own uh but you don't have a federal firearms license you know you're you're going to be committing a felony very quickly so unless you get a boat and go out into international waters to do it.

There you go. Okay, building islands. With John McAfee, you get on his boat. Yeah. I heard that there was a bunch of these ultra-wealthy individuals who were going to buy a cruise ship and just park it right off of international waters. They can do whatever they wanted. It's Ayn Rand.

Yeah. The Chinese are building islands. That's an interesting concept. Or you can go to China. China will let you do it. You could walk in and be like, hey, you want bullets? They'd be like, good, do it. So my concern here now is that trying to regulate the home industry is insanity.

It is. That if you try to make it illegal for someone to do what they're doing, you're just creating criminals. And it's not going to stop. It might stop some of them, but it won't stop the innovation itself. Look, early on in the United States, we greatly prospered because crazy people did crazy things out the middle of nowhere. You had – Mary Curie's papers are all radioactive. You can't do that these days. You get anywhere near trying to do that kind of research, they're going to lock you up.

There was some dude who was obsessed with that. I read the story where he was like a young guy and he's taking smoke alarms because they had a little bit of that happened in commerce township about americium 10 minutes from my house oh really yep yeah yeah michigan and he kept taking little bits and then he put it into i think he had like a lead cast he built a breeder reactor in his in his uh in his shed and he radiated the town basically yeah he radiated the shed and his house uh but yeah he was he was he created a death beat he's basically just and there's a i want to say there's a book or a or a movie about it it's called the radioactive boy scout and yeah so he was getting these smoke alarms and there's a small amount of radioactive material in there and he basically collected enough of it that he could create a pile that would yeah so he was getting these smoke alarms and there's a small amount of radioactive material

in there and he basically collected enough of it that he could create a pile that would uh become yes a breeder well so he had like this casing with a funneling channel so he could fire the rate of the particles and the death beam and he was covered in lesions yeah whoa yeah he was very yeah i don't know if he's still alive i he may have uh did you ever hear the story this is a brief aside of the guy who studied the first atomic bomb and touched it on accident he dropped it on his on his hand and it like sent a super shock wave through his body he was like ow and then what happened two hours later what happened was the demon core yeah and they would and they would hold it separated from critical

mass with a screwdriver and then one day it dropped it and it flashed and then he picked it up but it was too late the flash had he died destroyed the protein i think he made contact with something physical contact and it shot through him like instead of electricity though it was like a deep penetrating radio active pulse through his body well i don't know who that guy is but there was a story of the demon core. The demon core is killed. There's been like three or four incidents

with that same core where people almost created a... They were holding a screwdriver between it to stop people massing. Between the two halves. And they would twist it

and get it close and then it dropped and... Maybe Earth is now at capacity because we have all this like overarching oversight like you can't do a fusion if you do a fusion reactor you'll get a knock on your door but do we maybe

we have to go into space i'm just thinking outside the box international waters i mean it depends on what you're doing i mean dropping bombs is a bad thing but yeah maybe space stations uh the point is this if some random dude can go collect smoke along smoke detectors and then make a death ray and cover himself in lesions, like people can do crazy things that they choose to do. Yeah. And that's not even the worst of it. There's other things that people can do. And the point of all this is if there's a famous story about a dude who took smoke detectors to do this, it's only a matter of time before technology advances. I mean you look at lithium, for instance.

I did an interview with this guy. His name is Evan Booth. He did a whole series on how airports contain everything you need to make explosive devices. And he went to an airport, he bought all the supplies, brought them home, and then manufactured these things as a demonstration, a security demonstration, saying, here's what you can do. when i was working for vice i looked at his research and i said let's let's see if this is replicable and i on my way to flying to to him for the interview in the airport i bought a series of items and then i went to his house and i said here's what we got he goes yep and we easily configured in such a way that we made explosives

very very easily sure and you didn't need tools to do it you could you could basically do it with your bare hands yep it's a mental health issue to me i mean that's it's it's it's listen look i think it's a it's part of what i consider i call like the scaling problem you guys have probably heard me talk about a long time long story short because i know a lot of people have heard me mention it too much but if you have more and more and more people, you're going to get more stories about people doing crazy things. I've mentioned this story a few times. When I was at Glenn Beck's studio, he had a newspaper, these really, really old newspapers from the 1800s I was reading. And one of them talked about a guy leaving a bar and some dude ran up to him, 1800s,

and put a gun to his chest and pulled the trigger and then ran away like that happened these things happen you know back in the day you had mass shootings we have this trope about the wild west where like the the bad guy would ride in with his gang and just start shooting people and take whatever he wanted couldn't do anything about it it's actually better now than it's ever been yet we still have people demanding more and more laws and regulations. And we have people that think it's a good thing that the government is willing to kill people for fairly innocuous. I mean, if you think Randy Weaver had to see his wife killed right in front of him by the ATF for sawing the barrel on a shotgun an inch shorter than what was legally permissible by the government. So when they came in and killed him?

Yeah, basically, the long story short, the ATF was trying to use him as an informant because he lived near some white supremacists in Idaho. And he said, no, I'm not going to inform on these people. They're my neighbors. You may not like what they do, and I may not like what they do, but I'm not going to rat them. I'm not going to inform on them for you. So the ATF sent an agent out, and basically they knew that he needed money. So they offered him some money to saw

the barrel on a shotgun shorter than was legally allowable and he did uh as a result they charged him with a felony um he didn't appear in court because uh they sent him a court summons and supposedly didn't get to the right place bottom line didn't show up for court so they they issued a warrant and they went out to his house and basically were on his property surveilling him. His son stumbled upon them while he was out walking his dog. The ATF agents shot his dog. And so the Randy Weaver's son, not knowing what was going on, shot back and killed one of the ATF agents. They returned fire and killed Randy Weaver's son. Wow. So they, his son's friend ran back to the cabin and told them what happened. And so they hold up in the cabin. And at one point, one of the ATF agents, Lon Haruchi, basically was a sniper, more or less. They were surveilling his cabin,

and they had issued orders to shoot any adult male on site who was carrying a weapon. That was their orders. So there was a point where I want to say Randy had left the cabin to go see the body of his son, which was in the shed. And as he was returning back, they tried to shoot him as he was going back into the cabin. Bullet missed Randy Weaver and hit his wife in the head and killed her. Wife was holding his baby in her arms, killed him right in front of her, killed her right in front of him.

And nobody got charged with anything and our AG Bill Barr wrote a letter saying that Lon Haruchi should be fully exonerated that he didn't do anything wrong and that was the story of Ruby Ridge yep so crazy same same thing with I mean you know Waco more or less was about guns as well. There were certainly a lot of not great things happening with the Branch Davidians in Waco. I mean, you can talk a lot about that. But really what it came down to was the ATf thought that they were selling guns without a permit and um you know as a result that concerns me because with the i mean as a result they stormed the building they lit it on fire and burned it on fire burned everyone alive right um because they thought they would come out they didn't come out so they burned to

death like families like 20 30 i don't know how many people i think it was about 50 so with the 3d printing revolution and people printing guns in their houses, if the government goes haywire and starts to think like it's illegal, we're coming to flush you out. We think this, that. That's so dangerous. I mean, I think it's just hands off time. Well, I think it's, you know, there's it's it's hard because it's there are many people in the gun community who are willing to criticize the ATF, especially not those in the industry. So I try to tread carefully with that because obviously we have a number of ATF licenses. But there's a lot of things going on.

They're seriously considering banning pistol braces, basically configuring an AR-15 in a particular manner. Now, there are something like four million AR-15s in the United States configured in this way. So if you ban those overnight, you will inevitably have groups of people, myself included, who are going to say, we're not turning those in, period. I'm just not going to hand it over. What's a pistol brace? So a pistol brace was a device invented some years ago that effectively allows a shooter to hold an AR-15 one-armed and shoot it. And so the brace basically goes around your forearm, allowing you to shoot it. Now, they're designed in such a way that that's not the only way that you can use a pistol

brace. So this all goes back to the National Firearms Act of 1934, which says you can't have a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length. You can have a pistol with a barrel 16 inches in length. And so what you do is you build an AR-15 with a barrel shorter than 16 inches, and you have this pistol brace that theoretically makes it a pistol, but most of the braces are designed in a way where they can be shouldered fairly easily. And so the ATF originally issued a statement that said, if you shoulder, if you take a brace that was designed to fit around your forearm

and you put it up against your shoulder, you've committed a felony because now you've made a short-barreled rifle, which is an NFA item. Wow. So then they changed their mind and said, well, as long as the brace was originally designed to be a

brace, if you shoulder it, you're basically just not using it as designed. And we don't see that as being as having constructed a short barreled rifle. And now recently, it seems as if they're changing their mind again. And so, you know, part of the problem here is that the ATF is basically allowed to change their mind anytime they want. There's a problem going on right now with a company that designed a G36 rifle, basically like a clone of an HK. And the ATF said, yeah, this looks fine. You can sell this. And then they changed their mind and said, oh, wait, no, we've decided that this is too close to being easily converted into a machine gun. So we need you to get all these back from your customers and change the whole change the design in such a way that it makes it harder to configure it as a machine gun or harder to modify. So they're basically changing their minds anytime they want. And unfortunately, I hate to say this, I'll probably get a lot of negative feedback for it. But you know what, Trump made that possible because Trump basically looked the other way as the ATF and the DOJ under the Biden administration or any other administration to simply change the rules anytime they want. And what are we to do?

So the machine gun is when you pull the trigger, it fires multiple rounds. Correct. But the bump stock just made it so you can pull the trigger faster. Yes. So it's not a machine. They're not machine guns. They're not machine guns. It's simulated full auto fire.

I mean, I know people who can pull the trigger as fast as, I mean, you can bump fire an AR-15 without a bump stock. I mean, it can be done. It's not super easy. It takes a little bit of practice, but it can be done. So, you know, we're getting into this weird territory where we have people that don't really understand how firearms operate. I mean, even people in the ATF that don't really understand them all that well who are dictating what you can buy and what you can configure. And it's a never-ending fight. Do you think there are configurations of rifles and pistols that should be illegal to civilians?

I can't think of any. I just don't see why the configuration of the firearm makes murdering somebody any more or less bad. Right. I mean, the laws already exist. Yeah, the laws already exist yeah the laws already exist i mean the you know the national firearms act was written because uh you know the government made a mistake prohibition which created all of these uh you know gangs who were who were running alcohol and at the time you could basically buy anything as a civilian so of course all the the gangs making all this black

market money on alcohol they could afford whatever they want so they had course, all the gangs making all this black market money on alcohol, they could afford whatever they want. So they had better weapons than the police because they had no budget, right? So they had Tommy guns and all kinds of things. So they created the NFA to basically make it more difficult for – they said that they were making it more difficult for these gangs to obtain weapons. So what they did was they put a $200 tax. So this is pre-ATF. So they basically said, this is not an infringement on the Second Amendment. It's a tax, right? And similar to what they did with Obamacare. So prohibition. Yeah. At the time, $200 was a lot of money. I think it was

equivalent to like $15,000 or something in modern day times. So your average citizen couldn't afford one. But, you know, did Al Capone care about that? No. First of all, he had the money. Second of all, he wasn't going to pay it anyway. So they kept all their machine guns, but it's the civilians that weren't allowed to own these things anymore. And in fact, the National Firearms Act, when it was originally proposed, they wanted to ban all handguns. That's the reason that the 16 inch barrel length is still in the nfa they basically they ended up removing handguns from the nfa but they left in this barrel length requirement which sets it at 16 inches so you can't have a rifle with a barrel under 16

inches unless you're going to register it as an nfa firearm why 16 inches who the hell knows somebody picked that number thought it sounded good oh you can't conceal it i mean come on so let's ridiculous let's jump over to super chats and see what the the audience has to say with uh on that note if you haven't already smash the like button go to timcast.com and become a member because we'll have a really fun bonus segment coming up talking about the certain things that we're not allowed to say on YouTube. Look, we're talking about guns and things like that. YouTube gets pretty strict and they've had some crazy

instances. Did you know that at one point Google banned the word gun to such a degree that you couldn't search for the anime Gundam Wing? You guys ever hear of Gundam? Yeah, I love Gundam Wing. Giant robots? Sure. You couldn't search for it. It was not there. And everybody was laughing because Google banned the word gun.

Anything with G-U-N, it just wasn't showing up. Those are like people's names and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gunner. Some people's name, Gunner. And cities that have gun in their name, Gunnison. Like, can't look it up. The city's gone.

It's not on the maps anymore. All right, let's read some of these Super Chats, guys. Smash that like button. Acme Products says, Tim, I'm glad you fulfilled your destiny and have become a true roof korean rooftop korean that's right yeah and shout out to uh black guns matter oh we had him on the show yeah my boy cool dude uh kairi uh kairi says would you be willing to have korean noir in the future any any time any day as whenever the dude wants to come out, we've been up before. I've talked to him.

He's always welcome. Absolutely. That'd be fantastic. He'd be great. A. Mazed says, Phoenix, do you ship to California? I need supply drops behind enemy lines. So we don't fix your state. That's what I have to say.

We did try it. So in California, ammunition has to be shipped to – this is how crazy it is. In California, you have to pass a background check to purchase ammunition, which means we can't ship it directly to the customer. It has to be shipped to an FFL dealer who performs the background check. We did that for a short amount of time, and it was a nightmare. I mean people would say, hey, send it to this FFL, and the FFL had no idea that it was coming there. And so then we had to play mediator between our customer and this FFL. It was just too hard to navigate.

It seems awful. Yeah. DeadEye22 says, hey, Tim and Co., super chats on the website when? Soon, maybe within the next month or so. So we're actually setting up some pretty cool proprietary tech where we want people to be able to have all the same functionality as you would get on YouTube on our website. But we still will keep YouTube as the principal hub for like, you know, you subscribe, you hit the like button, you share, all that stuff. But we are going to have it functional on the website as well just because it doesn't make sense to not have it. So we will be setting all that up. He goes on to say AR versus AK, Glock versus Sig versus Walther, and why?

If you had to pick three caliber, what would it be? So I am an AR guy because this is America and we invented the AR-15. We are not communists. So AR. I personally am a big Glock shooter. I don't have a ton of experience with other handguns. I love Glocks. I picked that.

I stuck with it. What was the other question? Calibers? Three calibers. What would they be? I mean, you got to go with the NATO calibers because when the stuff hits the fan, that's what's going to be laying on the floor. So 9mm, 5.56, 7.62x51. when the stuff hits the fan, that's what's going to be laying on the floor.

So 9mm, 5.56, 7.62x51. But not.308 because it's different pressure, right? Yeah, there are pressure differences, but I mean, if you have a... Every modern.308 rifle is really chambered. Most of them are chambered in 7.62x51, so they can shoot both. You can always go backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not the other way.

Typically not the other way. Right on. B. Anderson says, my boss's son worked on the new Mars rover, and he said their name is on it. That's really cool. That is awesome. Mark T. says, Gab is suspended from Twitter. Wow, did that happen? Oh, my gosh.

Wow. Samuel Eddie says, good to see you, fellow Michigander and patriot. Made it on the show. Hopefully we can meet again on the range. There you go. Fai Duong says, Should stop selling ammunition to federal agents as well. Law enforcement agencies depending on jurisdiction.

Well, if any of you have been looking at our Twitter account recently, you would know that we have stopped selling to police departments. So that happened as a result of us being fined by the Michigan Health Department for not wearing masks inside of our own building. A Novi police officer came in because of an anonymous complaint. And while I was arguing with him in the lobby, a customer came in to pick up his order. He was in the lobby for all of 10 seconds. There's a counter between him and I. He was wearing a mask. I was not. And when the officer filled out his report, he noted that I had serviced a customer without a mask and he sent his report to the health department and the health department fined us $1,000. And that same day I said said i will never sell ammunition to a police department again unless they agree that they're not going to infringe on my rights and i know

that they won't so it's not going to happen leor engelstein says as a firearms manufacturer that sells exclusively online i will follow your example and have the biden exclusion on my website as well soon all right bravo that's. This needs to be a trend, man. I mean, so there's like four big ammo companies? Or there's more than that that are big, but like there's four that are like the biggest or what? Yeah, basically the industry is a lot more consolidated than people know,

which is why we have such a shortage right now. So there's basically four big companies that control most of it, Remington, Winchester, CCI, and Federal. Those are who make all the primers. So even a company like Hornaday buys its primers from those companies. So a company like us, we are basically assembling ammunition out of the component parts. We don't make primers ourselves. So we rely on them for the supply chain. There are some things in the works that not from us personally, but from folks that I know that

will help to solve that problem. But yeah, it is an issue. The industry is much more consolidated. There's a lot of boutique AR-15 builders out there, a ton of them, but a lot of them get their forgings from only a few plants. Most of them get their bolt carriers from only a few companies that make them. So I guess the issue I was going to bring up is that these big ammo companies, their primary customer is the government. Right, exactly. They're not going to walk away from that. Correct. I mean, at the end of the day, when you, when you talk about the military industrial complex, I mean,

that's not us. Our customers are our people. But the big ammunition companies, the big firearms companies, they make most of their money in government contracts, police departments, foreign governments, etc. So truthfully, that's why most of them don't really speak out all that much in favor of the Second Amendment, because really, they could do without it. I mean, it would stress their bottom line a little bit. But, you know, if the government repealed, if there was a repeal on the Second Amendment and there was no citizen-owned firearms in the United States, the government would not allow the weapons manufacturing industry in the United States to go out of business. I mean, that's it's stupid. They just wouldn't happen.

JB says, Tim, tell Justin JB says hello from Michigan. And I love his strategy for educating former Vice President Joe Biden's voters. Love your show. Longtime viewer. Thank you. Z Dub says Joe Biden voted yes to make online sales of firearms possible. Have Sour Patch Lids look it up. He sounded like a conservative when voting yes.

Crazy. Was that a long time ago? Possibly. He's been in for 47 years. I mean, he voted. He was instrumental in passing the Clinton assault weapons ban in 94. So I would find that very hard to believe. Justin Bookman says, you can get a.50 caliber air rifle shipped to your home.

I've been thinking about getting one for hunting. Like you said, Tim, one way or another, we will have our guns, we will defend ourselves, and I'd like to see them try to take them all away. You can do that in an air rifle,.50 caliber? Probably. I don't know all that much about air rifles, but, I mean, you know, muskets were.50 caliber,.46 caliber. That was pretty common. So, I mean, it can be done for sure.

Steve Basford says, love you guys. Donating from the hospital. Tim, do you watch One Piece? If so, who are your favorite male and female characters? Much love. Keep on keeping on. I don't watch One Piece. I've seen some stuff here or there, but never been a big fan.

Although I know it's like basically the most popular show in Japan, anime. Nice. And manga. the most popular show in japan anime nice and manga excited for now excited for now says fun fact in the 90s pepsi actually had a larger fleet of warships than the u.s at one point is that true that sounds crazy great that sounds crazy i know there was like some some fiasco where i think i don't know if it was pepsi or coke offered like a gag award of a fighter f-16 fighter and it was oh i remember that yeah they had to have a million pepsi points yeah yeah on the caps yes i remember that vs says in ca we have to get a background

check every time we buy ammo yeah you were mentioning that every time and and and you know they want to push that uh federally too that's right yep They want to ban 50 BMG out, right? Right. Timothy Peterson says, wondering if Phoenix can make some 50 cals for the AR-15 rep Sheila Jackson Lee directed me towards. I reload but can't find any components that fit the criteria. Yeah, 50 cal,

it's too tall for our presses and it's just not really our target market. It's a tough round to make. Is it this? Is this literally the same size as a 50K? That's a 50 BMG. It's not identical. Yeah, that's exactly the size.

Really? Yeah, the 50 BMG is basically a scaled up 30-06. Because I got a 50. Yeah, I thought it was slightly different. It looks about right to me. I mean, from here, that looks about right. When we went out to the range, we posted a video of it. Luke was like, don't worry, everyone's only going to want to shoot one.

In fact, not everyone wanted to shoot at all. They're like cannon rounds. Yeah, it's also... The energy is unbelievable in those. We had a breech-loading.50 cal, which apparently is much more force into your shoulder than say like it's not using any of the recoil to reset so right right yep so the recoil goes straight into your arm so i'm told that with like a barrett you know there's more springs less energy it's more manageable that's a big problem uh you know if you go into like your average fud gun store and you talk to the guy behind the counter and you say yeah fud uh that's an industry term so uh they'll say you know get yourself a

pump action shotgun for home defense and that is like the worst possible advice you could ever give somebody because pump action shotguns all the recoil goes back into your shoulder yeah a semi-automatic shotgun uses some of that recoil to reset the chamber so i mean it's it's like that thing it's just like a trope you can't get rid of because in every movie there's some guy with a shotgun at his hip and you know it's like the old terminator movie yeah exactly right but it's it's like the worst the worst possible advice you can give to somebody. I mean, what happens when your 115-pound wife goes to shoot your pump-action 12-gauge? She flies back 100 feet, slams into the wall. It's just one of those things we can't die.

We can't kill. I definitely love bringing this point up so much when that journalist claimed to have gotten PTSD from firing an AR-15. And I'm like, the dude's never been turkey hunting. You want to talk about using an AR- 15 claiming it's a weapon of war please go hunt some snakes or turkeys in your backyard with a standard 12 gauge and then you're going to be like that was worse yeah i mean if that guy got pst pdsd from a 556 i couldn't imagine he he would flip over and fly back 20 feet land on the ground with broken bones from a 12 gauge i mean i there's a uh i think her name is daniella i i'm i'm not on instagram anymore since i got banned so i don't remember but she's like a

14 year old three gun shooter shoots an ar-15 all the time so there's like a video of like a little girl with a pink ar shooting yeah like everyone made fun of this guy chris chang says shout out from newport news but the opposite end of the city from Fort Useless, I mean Useless, the end of the city where they build all the aircraft carriers

for the U.S. Navy. Discount code MCListener. Fort Useless, it brings a lot of money to Newport News, you know, to the Hampton Roads area. So it may be,

but at least people are getting money from the government, which then goes to stores and rent and buildings and, and buildings and all that stuff. Oh, man, we got a bunch of super chats that I can't read. Jessica Coy says, Europe pretty much outlawed firearms. People just start stabbing.

Those who wish to do harm will find a way. I think Switzerland didn't, right? They're pretty pro. Yeah, Switzerland. But it's not as it's not as permissible as you think. I mean, basically, the idea is when you the Swiss train everybody in basic military operations. And so they're issued a military firearm and some amount of ammunition. But it's not like they can just go out and carry that thing around.

I mean, they're accountable for the number of rounds they have. So, I mean, it's great. The Swiss are unique in Europe in that sense, but it's not exactly the same as it would be. Their history of the Swiss is fascinating because they're so mountainous. They'd hide in the mountains with their spears and they could never be conquered. J-Max says, I trained in EOD during military time. You'd be surprised at human ingenuity especially when it's coupled with humans ability to commit atrocities absolutely i believe it man what's eod explosive ordinance disposal i mean look at you know timothy mcveigh yeah right

was he was he military or what uh he was ex-military yeah yeah. But, I mean, he basically built a bomb out of stuff. Standard, like, pretty easy to get stuff. Standard easy to get things. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can talk about that one. It was like just fertilizer. It was fertilizer.

It was an info. Ammonium nitrate, fuel oil, fertilizer. I mean, that's, you know, that's. And that guy, when you're up against a foe that's desperate and doesn't have access to your common weapons, would probably be making it out of the most creative stuff, I would imagine. Anything that can blow up. Sure. Can blow up. Turk Longwell says, Tim, a Marine Corps Mata, one shot, one kill.

Justin, did you serve? Did not serve. Just had a passion for the industry and basically – I mean it all started more or less. I was working for an insurance company and I dealt with manufacturing companies and my sales territory was the city of Detroit and the outlying suburbs. And I went into some pretty seedy areas. The manufacturers that are left in the city are in some of the worst areas. And so I decided I the company policy was that I was not allowed to carry a firearm, but I decided that I'd rather be alive and get fired than be dead and have the company extol my virtues as being such a great employee. One of the things I like about your work is that you were mentioning all your self-defense

training, like martial arts training. You were a wrestler. Yeah. That's great. So you're a black belt in jujitsu. Is that what it was? Yeah. And what other forms of martial arts have you practiced?

Just that. So I wrestled at Central Michigan University for two years and then got a little bit injured, couldn't compete at the level that I wanted to. Got into judo because that was the closest thing. I wanted to compete. I enjoyed that. So I spent some years doing judo. And then when I graduated, I moved back to Novi and tried to find a good judo school, but most of them were kind of older guys. I wanted to talk about the weather and get a little bit of a sweat in, but I wanted to compete. I was still young and I, you know, I had that kind of fire under me. So I, uh, found my way to warrior way, martial arts and commerce township, uh, got into jujitsu

and found that I enjoyed that more than I did wrestling or, or judo. And, uh, now that I'm getting more deep into firearms training and that's become a bigger part of my life, there's so many parallels. You know, with jujitsu, everything is about what is your opponent doing with their hands, right? How are they gripping? What are they grabbing? And firearms training is the same way. You know, if you're grappling with people and there's firearms, you know, you have to be accountable for their hands at all times. And we've barely talked about it.

We didn't even mention this tonight, but the police officers are, have a lack of training in martial arts and, and has suggested that every police officer should at least be a purple belt. And you sure. Yep. I think it's, I think that's an incredible idea. I agree.

In fact, the, the, the place that I wore your way martial arts has a program. I can't remember the name of it. I, uh, something blue bell,

but basically it's basically, it's a scholarship program where they're trying to get police officers to at least get to their Blue Belt level. And we have a ton. I mean, we have police officers, we have Homeland Security agents, we have even an ATF agent. I like to joke with him a lot. And yeah, I mean, cops put their hands on people far more often than they're shooting at people. And they're really very poorly trained in both. Then that's that, you know, the public doesn't really understand that's very difficult for a very highly trained shooter. But police officers in many departments are only shooting 100 or 200 rounds a year to qualify. And unfortunately, a lot of them treat policing like a job. And so if the department isn't going to pay for them to train, they won't train. How many rounds do you think?

We've got to read some more. Oh, okay. Quiet Guitarist Fan says, Doubt this will get read read but was awesome seeing Ian on Adam cast definitely make more appearances also your guest has an awesome hoodie on solutionary stick together

black guns matter thank you for forcing me to listen to that super chat there you go I had a great time on Adam cast everyone check out cast Matthew Templeton says we need ammo protection the Second Amendment doesn't say

anything about ammo nor does it specify specifically what a gun is for. A gun is a legally owned chunk of metal with no ammo. Yep. Well, the original text of the original article before it became an amendment specifically said that even if you didn't want to join a militia or the military, you were allowed to have a gun, which is very clear. Like, it's your right to have a gun, period. And they got rid of it because they were scared it would give an argument against conscription. Yeah. And there's historical precedent for protecting, you know, some of the precursors

to the American Revolution. One of them was the powder alarm where General Gage basically stole, confiscated all of the powder out of a storehouse. And it was in Boston, I believe. And so he knew that, well, your firearms, especially back in that day, were useless if you didn't have any powder. And so there is historical precedent that ammunition is part of, it's obviously part and parcel of the Second Amendment. Yeah, I think that there should be no debate about that that whatsoever we should be clear about that and make ammo protection i agree with that brian toomey says did you see that woke that the woke feminists are upset that chun

lee isn't in the new mortal kombat movie even though she is a street fighter character i did see that and i couldn't believe they didn't just delete the article when they finally realized it was titled mortal kombat trailers out but where's Chun-Li? And everybody, like, we're like, why are you writing this? And at the bottom, it's like, update, we learned why she wasn't there. She's a Street Fighter character or something. I mean, that has to have started on, like, 4chan or something, right?

Where they're like, oh, these idiots are gonna... Leave it up for... Let's tell them Chun-Li's not in there and see if they print it. Ralph Miss says, UK has banned has banned guns then knives and now they regulate drano due to acid attacks explosive drones were used in fighting uh in in the middle east also there was a glock drone built by an 18 year old teen yeah we talked about that stuff too one of the funny things my friends and i were talking about building was a drone that fires you know party poppers yeah just that's all it did was fire a party popper awesome because then the the paper and the confetti could

take out other drones so the idea was you'd fly it and then climb up the rotors exactly the paper bits would get they'd probably get mutilated but could potentially jam it up and then so if you put string and it was a blanket a bunch of string the drones would fall from the sky it's crazy ismail thompson says katrina was the one instance of gun confiscation america it happened recently yeah learned today on cole uh coleon noir's channel yeah that happened and after hurricane katrina uh the the government said this is an emergency situation and we have the right to confiscate your guns oh my god john lalaine Tim, I want to make you a surfboard. I made them for Hassoi Mountain and Hackett.

I skated Paul Revere in the 70s. I DM'd you on Instagram. I never check my Instagram DMs, but I will check them and see what's up. Fran Pham says, Stop using Vietnam as an example against the U.S. Even the communists admitted their tactics weren't winning them the war

or any battles against the U.S. and rvn they won by demoralizing propaganda interesting level 99 mastermind says tim you frequently mentioned mentioned true value have you ever played the metro 2033 series it's post-apocalypse post-apocalypse quality factory made 762 is scarce more powerful than homemade ammo and is the main currency in the series. Oh, that's really interesting. I love Fallout. You guys play Fallout? There's just bullets everywhere.

And, like, odd calibers, too. You're like, oh, 40 millimeter. You know what they should do in Fallout? Or 10 millimeter, yeah. 10 millimeter. What they make in Fallout 5 is get rid of caps and just make the ammo the currency. Yeah. I think that's really funny.

You go to the gun store now, they have like 40 and they have uh 40 caliber they have 10 millimeter yeah and it's like well nobody wants it but in fallout maybe that's why it was everywhere 10 millimeters 10 millimeter is actually getting a pretty good resurgence really that yeah before everything went crazy it's been hard to get parts but we we had a we have a real hardcore group of 10 millimeter shooters that's like the one odd caliber that we actually make and uh do you think eventually everything's going to fall to the nato uh you know calibers no i think there's always going to be room i mean i think you know 40 smith and wesson shouldn't

exist uh sorry 40 shooters but it's a stupid around it was only invented because you couldn't handle 10 millimeter and you know it just admit it do you think we can ever but oh finish that thought anyway uh i i think there's always going to be a big broad range of calibers i just you know my question is do you think we'll ever be able to create a gun that can handle multiple calibers like it can change uh there already is uh i don't know uh i don't know who makes it but there there, well, first of all, there's a revolver that can fire 45 ACP, 45 long, 45 Colt, yeah, the Governor, and 410 shotgun shells. But there's a company building like a survival type rifle that can shoot, I can't remember the calibers. I want to say 5.56 and a few others, 22 long rifle maybe, with very few part changes, if any. But yeah, it can be done.

It can be done. The thing about the governor and the judge is that 45 ACP and 45 – they can shoot 45 ACP, 45 long. If you're shooting 45 ACP, they need a moon clip or a moon. But with 410, you can get a variety of different kinds. Loads. You can get slugs, you can get buckshot, you can get target load. So theoretically, shotguns can take...

You can take a shotgun, a 12-gauge, and you can put slug, buckshot, birdshot, game, and then even exotic rounds, dragon's breath. That's what it's called, right? Yeah, dragon's breath. So you can... If you're doing pump or semi-auto, you can pull the trigger and different things come out each time. Can they fire sabb right? Yeah, Dragon's Breath. So you can, you know, if you're doing Pomp or Sammy Otto, you can pull the trigger and different things come out each time. Can they fire sabots?

Shokin'? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sabots slugs. Sabots. What's the difference between the judge and the governor? Judge, I believe, is a little smaller and is a five-round cylinder, and the governor is six. Yeah, and I think they make polymer judges. Oh.

Pretty sure. Super lightweight. Not sure. Not a revolver guy. Yeah. To each their own. Abrasive FPV says, I sent in a super chat a couple weeks ago when you had Control Pew on.

We are now legally selling 3D printed firearms at silver underscore arms on Twitter. I'm sorry. Silver Hawk underscore arms on Twitter. That's interesting because the idea was 3D printed guns would be cheaper so you can make you know lower theoretically yeah theoretically theoretically if you you know interestingly if you can get to the it's all about mass production yeah what makes a lot of guns cheaper is that they've got big factories that can make them you know so if you can invest in the technology for mass production dramatically lowers the cost 3d printed may theoretically be cheaper if they're being mass

produced and the materials are cheaper and then you get the cost way down the problem with 3d printing is just the time you know you can i've i i actually used to work with one of the forging plants that makes ar-15 receivers uh in ferndale michigan and i mean you watch these forging presses they're they're making thousands of these things a day. You know, these things just one after another. You can 3D print the mold and then the forging in the mold. That'll help speed up production. All right.

Let's see. Monty says, say, bro, love your channel. Sent many super chats. Got to do you and look out for you. When someone has nothing to lose, they don't care what you face. Also mentioned a lot of people were shouting out Bitcoin breaking breaking was at 50 56 yeah yeah yeah pretty sure the binance coin 56 the binance coin is now number three most valuable crypto under ethereum 30 yeah it was 36 bucks three weeks ago it's 350 now wow if that's the coin that you use to cover the transaction costs on binance when

you use the market so that's just an indication of how you much more binance is being used trade we we're starting to get more and more payments with uh crypto on our website i mean it's not like super regular but we we get a fair number that's so legit james scott says ask him to make ammo for m1 garons i'd buy buckets of the stuff. Yeah, the tough problem with that is.30-06, it's a tall cartridge, so we'd have to get a different press to make it. And you may buy buckets, but unless you've got a thousand other buddies that are willing to buy buckets, it's tough to justify manufacturing anything if we're not making them, you know, 50 to 100,000 at a time. Kevin Pilgrim says, Ian's headband is dope. I subscribed to

.com about a month and a half ago and love all you do. Shout out to Luke and the lovely lady pressing the buttons. Dude, you are the man. Thank you. Alright, let's see. There are some super chits I want to read, but it seems like they're... Spicy? No, no, they're like... I'm missing the beginning of them.

Garrett Hayden says, Tim, you are an inspiration to me. I would like to share a little project I've been working on. It's a sci-fi western manga called Soul's Requiem. I would be honored if you would come and check it out on Mines. Yes, I'll do my best. Perhaps, what's the best way to contact? DM me on Instagram, I guess. I suppose that's where people are trying to send me stuff, and I will be be checking that so that's the easiest way for me to remember alejandro bueno

says where's luke also i hate that arizona seems like it's getting more liberal luke is out for the night and ian is replacing him well hello no luke's uh luke luke's is doing a holiday family thing it's particularly simple sounds nice some kind of uh uh you know polish holiday where they eat a bunch of donuts i guess oh great no i'm kidding but it was fat tuesday recently mardi gras you know fat tuesday so everybody's so weird that mardi gras came and went i didn't i heard you talk about on the show yeah so i got donuts all right we'll do one more robert reynolds says do you think if hr 127 passes it will lead to armed revolt pursuant of our constitutional obligation how how about this how about this how about we we we say this one for the exclusive it will lead to armed revolt pursuant of our constitutional obligation.

How about this? How about this? Yes. How about we say this one for the exclusive members only segment? That's a good question. Well, with apologies to Robert, because I know you asked the question, but I think we're going to start talking about things that might be too spicy for YouTube. Yeah. Susan.

Based on the question. Susan's going to come back. Yeah, right. So it's like, well, we'll say this one for TimGast.com. Defensively, right. So it's like, well, we'll save this one for TimCast.com. Defensively, Susan. Yeah, because, you know, Google's already taken really hard moves against arms manufacturers and gun channels. And it's been pretty bad. And this question about armed revolt, I think we can't, you know, we'll do that.

TimCast.com. Go to TimCast.com. Become a member. That got us banned on Instagram and Facebook. Talking about revolution in general. Yeah. Mentioning a certain Thomas Jefferson. We'll save it.

Hold on. Floral print affinity word. If you want to learn more, go to TimCast.com. Become a member. In about an hour or so, we will have a bonus exclusive members only segment up where we – look, I'm sorry if you guys don't like the fact that we're trying to avoid getting strikes or getting banned. But I think it's better that we can do this show and tell you 99 things and then save that one thing for the website where you can still go and get it. So go to TimCast.com, become a member. You can follow me on Minds and Parlor.

I'm going to promote those from now on for the most part at TimCast. My other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash Timcast and youtube.com slash Timcast News. This show is live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. So we'll be back Monday, but I am going to say this now. We are going, this time, I mean it, we're going to be filming at the range and we're going to get footage up.

We will do it. It will happen. So maybe Sunday we might have a members only from the range with some instruction and a variety of different weapons and safety and all that stuff. So make sure you sign up and we'll see you all Monday. But you want to shout out anything, Justin? Yeah.

Website phoenix ammo dot com. You can follow us on on Twitter at Phoenix Ammunition. I do want to say real quick, we do have some people who are trying to scam potential customers. There is a fake Instagram and Facebook page pretending to be us. It's not us. So just be aware that our only social media is on Twitter. And for all of our potential customers, just be patient. We're doing the best we can.

We know everybody wants ammo, and we know everything is sold out. But we're working as fast as we can and we'll do our best. Awesome. Thank you. I'm looking forward to having another conversation with you in the future someday where we can talk more about the machining aspect of everything. Cause we talked about a lot about ethics today. I just want to really confirm what Tim's saying. This timcast.com thing's great because we're kind of using it as a flagship for this, in my opinion, the future of the internet. I've been working on an idea to put together internet, what we'll call 3.0, where we take like the Matrix protocol, use minds technology and maybe the dissenter app from from Gab. video, decentralized video streaming network to put together a new passport login system where you can log in to Gab or you can log in to Mines or you can log in to Tincast and you can

share video and subscribe to people's feeds via RSS. Keep very tight with what we're doing. It's going to be really exciting. You can follow me at Ian Crossland where you can pick up merch and thus, and I will see you guys later. I'm going to be on Twitch later tonight, twitch.tv slash Ian Crossland. Very cool. And it is very important to note that Phoenix for these guys is spelled F-E-N-I-X.

So when you look them up on Twitter, not Facebook or Instagram, because they're banned on there and there's scammers on there trying to get your information. That's how you spell it. I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines and Real Sour Patch Lids on Gab and Instagram. Check out TimCast.com. We will have an exclusive members only segment coming up and we will see you all then bye guys