Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #230 - Twitter SUSPENDS Crowder After Claiming PROOF Of Fake Voter Addresses w/Mike Cernovich

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia host lawyer and commentator Mike Cernovich to discuss Steven Crowder's suspension from Twitter, Naomi Wolfe's sudden reversal on her love for Joe Biden, Anthony Fauci's absurd posturing, how wrong people are about statistics, and whether women want to be working.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, I've got here a special lager. I'm going to crack it open, pour one out for our good friend Steven Crowder. No, I'm not really going to pour it out. I don't want to get beer all over my studio. I'll actually drink it. Crowder got locked out on Twitter. Oh, now I spilled it. You see what happens when I try and do a stupid bit? Like Marco Rubio. Crowder got locked out like Marco Rubio. Is that what he did? He spilled beer? He had the little baby bottle and he was very awkward about it so crowder goes on twitter he has a segment where he sent some uh i guess you can call them investigative journalists to look into voter addresses that were in a database and turns out there are a bunch of parking lots he had them hold up a newspaper from this week

and crowder is saying he can prove this is what Crowder is saying, that many of these addresses in these databases don't actually exist. That's all he's saying. He tweeted that Twitter has locked him out for 12 hours. I'll tell you what's really annoying. I tweeted that he's been suspended. I put in the title of this video. He's been suspended because that's what suspend means. Suspend is temporary. But Twitter likes to claim suspension. They use that word because ban is so harsh and it's bad press. So they'll suspend you permanently. Yeah. OK. Permanent suspension. That's dumb. It's a temporary suspension. He'll be back and we'll you know, he'll probably have a ton to say. But we're going to we're going to talk about what what you know,

what he found. And I'm sure many of you saw his segment from the morning. So I think there's a lot to talk about in this regard and what happened with the Supreme Court, because Clarence Thomas basically dropped a hammer saying it looks like there was a good argument from these Republicans in Pennsylvania about mail-in voting. We'll get into all that stuff. We've got a bunch of other articles, obviously. We always do. We'll talk about Coca-Cola, because LinkedIn is now panicking after Coca-Cola said try to be less white. Now LinkedIn is getting flack for it.

So we'll get into all that stuff. We also have something tweeted by Matthew Iglesias. He's one of the co-founders of Vox.com. He tweeted something about how he wanted to just cause drama. And it's a poll about men and women and who wants to be working at home and who wants to be working. And so obviously no matter what the poll results are he's trying to light the internet on fire but i think it's a good subject talk about it and we actually have someone here who is uh probably a good person to talk about a lot of this stuff we got mike cernovich thanks for having me do you want to introduce yourself yeah mike cernovich just got in town long trip it's good to see everyone you

seem wiped out no not wiped out at all it's just whenever it's somebody else's show i like to let them pace it yeah because i just don't believe in going in on someone else's show and be like you know here we are well do it to it yeah you gotta you gotta find the rhythm with the other person or else they'll um well how would you describe yourself for those that might not be familiar with you you know at this point i don't even know man i just hang out with my kids all the time now, but I'm still sort of an entity that exists that can get attention and move the needle on certain things. But I started off primarily mindset work. You pulled up a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I primarily started off doing mindset work, guerrilla mindset. I started off as a lawyer. I ran into you the first time at the RNC. I think you were with Fusion. And that was your, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Early iterations. That was where everybody was like, don't talk to that guy. That guy's at Fusion. Avoid that guy. They're woke. Yeah. Avoid that guy. I was hanging out with Luke.

Yeah. I remember meeting you there, too. Yep, exactly. That guy lit himself on fire. It was pretty insane. Yeah, we got that great video of the person burning a flag, and then somebody went to kick the flag out, and then it got caught in a woman's dress, actually. She had this long, flowing dress.

And then that was where I just got into the carnage of the media, political world, and probably at the conventions. And I had done other little things here and there, and then I just kind of became a thing, plugged along. My friends got all hired in the White House. So then I had all the best stories and sources and everything. So then we'd break all that stuff. And then made a movie.

I was in your movie. Me too. You guys were the best parts? Bilderberg. Yeah, Luke Bilderberg. So you guys – it's weird because I'm the oldest guy. But you guys are like ancient in terms of having been around much longer in this world. Because I was like, wait, that was Luke at Bilderberg in, I don't know, 2012 or something.

2007. Yeah, a long time ago. I think it's interesting how you gained a lot of prominence as one of the highest profile Trump supporters. But then you started calling out. It's going to be interesting as we get into talking about Crowder and stuff. You started talking about how it's over, basically. You're like these people are duping you who are claiming that there's going to be some magic turnaround. People got mad at you for a lot of Trump supporters were mad, but you were right. Yeah, because I came from, you know, like a law

background, law school. I knew all the Federalist Society people. I know how elite people kind of think. I was actually chapter president in law school for my own. So I've done all these little things, met all the right people, the white shoe people. And I'm just like, this is not the way the world works. And people get mad because one thing Trump did that was amazing is he brought out what they call low propensity voters, but people who don't actually vote. So this was their first election. So they come in, and they want to like, tell me things. And I'm like, what you're telling me is wrong. Everything you're telling me is wrong. Everything you're telling me is wrong, everything from how the Supreme Court operates to how the Supreme Court – because if you talk about the Clarence Thomas dissent from, do you want to risk the legitimacy of the court to side with Trump, who does anybody really like in any way? We'll get into all that, especially with the Crowder stuff.

We also got Luke. He's hanging out. Welcome back, beautiful and amazing human beings. This is Okradowski of WeAreChange.org. I like a high pace, as you can see here with my conversations. And I think the shirt i'm wearing i need to clarify statistically is correct and it says for your information the government is way deadlier than any virus historically that's true and if you want to support me and get the

shirt you can on the best political shirts.com thanks so much for having me i love the conversations here what up guys and uh i'm ian crossland coming at you from the internets uh mike you mentioned guerrilla mindset i just wanted to show this book this is your book and you wrote this in 2015 and can you tell me what is this exactly yeah i mean it did well too it actually did did a lot it was a a mindset book for men but it was more like manual by manual i mean like a manual versus hey get get rah-rah get hyped up get motivated because the genre of self-help or self-development is largely YouTube videos of a guy saying, and then he dragged me into the water and was going to drown me and said, but you want success so much that you're going to drown.

Then you really want it in your heart. And I thought, that's just kind of dumb. You're sitting around watching YouTube videos all day. What's an specific uh step-by-step program that you can take and apply and it's largely written for introverts there's a lot of stuff there about self-talk a lot of there about rewiring memories in your mind rewiring your thought processes so it's about going deep into yourself on a mindset level and that one i did in that came out 2015 where's the best place we'll definitely get to that later so we also have some patch I am here pushing the buttons I'm gonna love this conversation I can tell already and before we get started head over to timcast.com to become a member we got a bunch of exclusive members only podcasts we just did a full hour with

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Steven Crowder is locked out of Twitter. And, you know, so sign up and make sure we don't, you know, lose it. That being said, let's jump to the first story. I tweeted this. Steven Crowder has been suspended from Twitter after saying he can confirm that people voted at addresses that do not exist. He stated the same in a video. So you may have seen the video. It came up earlier this morning.

He did this on his morning show. He literally sent people to addresses let me see if i can pull up like a screenshot trying to find it there we go wait we just lost it so there we go is that let me see i'll just play a little clip from this from his bit so you can see they're holding up the newspaper they go and they find these like well this is just like looks like a house here we go empty parking. One of them that was really interesting was that he they're holding up a newspaper and they show empty parking lot. And apparently there was supposed to be an apartment number 409. Now, I'll put it very, very simply. Crowder claimed all of this on YouTube. He he straight up said that he can

prove it and he will testify under penalty of perjury that this is true. These addresses do not exist. I'm simply saying he's saying it. I'm showing you what I saw. It looks compelling. I wouldn't need to actually check the addresses because I got to be honest. I'm just seeing Crowder's video, but I don't think he'd go and he'd make this up. The crazy thing is Crowder did not say he actually clarified this very, very clearly that he's not saying this is evidence of any bigger scheme or

anything like that, just that they found evidence of addresses that don't exist. That's all it is. It doesn't mean the entire election is bunk or anything like that, but they should certainly be looked into, right? That's, well, that's as far as any reasonable person would go until you get to like courts or adjudication. Twitter took down, locked his account because he tweeted this. That to me is absolutely insane because he actually has video showing this. So he did put up an article on his website and he says, proof, we went to fake voter addresses. He talks quite a bit about it, but that's the gist of the story.

You should check out his bit too, because it was pretty funny where he kind of talks about Mike Lindell having this bad information, believing this dominion stuff and i was getting sued over it but he also mentions that you know mike lindell has this documentary called absolute proof and crowder did the segment called like absolute proof 100 fair trade definitive and all that stuff so i actually i think you know considering mike you're a lawyer i'm curious uh what your thoughts are because we we should we should definitely talk about the Supreme Court as well. And Pennsylvania. Yeah.

So that was another reason that I clash so much with the first time Trump voters is they were coming. They were saying all this Dominion stuff. I'm like, no, that's not how it works. There was no shootout. Like, I'm like, why am I the debunker? You mean in Germany, they claimed servers were being airlifted. Yeah, it's crazy. Satellites in Italy. someone was telling me that i'm like huh are you kidding me and and i hate doing that because trump supporters are so attacked on every side the

last thing i want to do is shoot inside the bunker but i don't want people to believe things that are wrong and the problem here to tie into that point with Crowder, there was a guy, you guys would know his name, I forget it right now. But he went through and did an analysis like this of nursing homes, halfway houses, other areas. And by the way, I'm not making any claims. But it showed like, oh, wow, so there's 100 votes came out of here, some of them are supposedly mail drops. There were a lot of things that you could look at, like Crowder looked at. But instead, everybody now thinks the narrative is that a few goofballs on the internet, or in the case of Mike Lindell, a successful entrepreneur who believes what he said, which as a lawyer makes that a really interesting case. Because usually, as you know, to sue someone for defamation, you have to show actual malice. Malice doesn't

mean that you didn't like the person. Malice means that you didn't actually believe what you were saying, or you entertained doubts about what you were saying. Like that Mike Lindell knew what he was saying was false. The dude believes it all. Yeah, he believes, and he's like, hell yeah, you're suing me. This is amazing. I can't wait to see you guys in court. So as a lawyer, this is actually a newer area of law, like how do you actually get him for defamation? But the problem is that became the whole narrative of it where now Mark Elias and other people say, oh, the Trump people filed 100 lawsuits. None of them went anywhere.

This is proof there was nothing there. And it's like, no, they filed like a couple. One of them was the Pennsylvania one that didn't get heard. And when you look at the issues that they tried to resolve they were quite interesting or if you look at the evidence that was presented that crowder is presenting it's quite interesting it's the kind of thing that makes you go hmm maybe you should think about but that's been completely hidden in the squid ink of this dominion stuff and all the weird conspiracy i'm rarely call someone a conspiracy theory but there's no other word for that kind of stuff. If I had to have a conspiracy, it would be that the conspiracies are the conspiracy to derail the actual conspiracy.

You see? You see what I did there? I believe that. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just joking. No, but I actually vacillate between – because there are some people that are so – they lead people down such a bad path that you think in life you get lucky you're gonna have some wins and you're just a loss after loss after loss so i'm i'm a little co-intel pro conspiracy oriented where i do think a lot of people do set set you up well you don't need to

have a conspiracy here we have cast sunstein obama's information czar that literally wrote the playbook on disinformation and he talked about creating fake conspiracies to make anyone questioning government look insane. And he did this specifically with a lot of family members and rescue workers in New York City after the 2001 events. So he wrote it in his own bylines, in his own published paper. I asked him about it. He denied even writing it,

even though it's still up there on the internet. Where was it published? It was published in one of scientific journals that he wrote about how to combat and fight disinformation. And one of his ways was infiltrating groups in real life and online and making them look crazy. And that's what I kept complaining about. When these people come out with these really absurd conspiracies

about CIA agents storming German servers and then Italy and whatever, I'm like, who cares? Who cares? We've got a constitutional legal battle happening in Pennsylvania that's more important and could have a bigger result. Well, you had credible testimony under oath in the Michigan hearings. I actually watched the hearings and my jaws were dropping. You had credible, normal, decent people providing eyewitness testimony of what they saw, but nobody watched the hearings, the Pennsylvania hearing.

That didn't really get covered. The Michigan one, which I found quite persuasive, wasn't really covered. So now when people think of, you know, I don't want F-R-A-U-D of the election, then that's what they think is all this really kooky stuff when actually there were issues. There were issues with people changing the rules midstream which is what happened in pennsylvania right whereas you aptly tweeted if they change the rules and you sue they go well you don't have standing nothing bad has happened and then the rules are applied and then you see when they go well it's too late now it's moved right it's like it's a catch-22 yeah that's that's a horrifying precedent and that's basically what we got with you know clarence thomas and clarence Thomas and his dissent, he said we did we failed to rule on this before and now we're not going to do it after.

What are the rules like? No one's going to know. No one's going to have any confidence in the system. Right. And that was a legitimate legal issue. That was a legitimate case that should have been heard. But the Supreme Court justices, I think Kavanaugh and Barrett, I think they would have heard it had January 6th not happened. And moreover, had there not been all of these – the Linwood stuff and all of these other things that people brought up is you don't want to be caught up in that net of here's all the kooks and the kooks are in the net.

And now you're a Supreme Court justice and you're in the net with them. I hear you. But, man, talk about cowards. I wouldn't care. I don't care. OK, well, I'll make the net with them. I hear you. But, man, talk about cowards. I wouldn't care. I don't care. OK, well, I'll make the case for them then. I'll make the case for John Roberts as an institutionalist. The way that John Roberts would say it if you were being candid is that this is how you learn it in federal courts and law school.

And the Supreme Court is a co-equal branch of government just like the Congress and just like the executive branch. They had to fight and scrape for all their legitimacy and all their power. The Supreme Court was not powerful at all, actually, before the Warren Court in the 1950s. So what do they have? They don't have guns. They don't have a budget. They don't have any real power. All their power is soft power. So if you're going to enter an area where there's such a narrative that's already set so strongly as there is now with this election stuff, then you're attacking or you're going to make the institution weaker by doing it. Now, you would come back and say why you don't agree with that, and I would agree with you. But that would be what John Roberts would argue. So when people talk about John Roberts, a lot of conservatives,

people, especially he's an institutionalist. So fundamentally hit, even Comey was the same way. Comey was crooked. So maybe not the right example, but the idea is you protect the institution, the institutional Supreme court.

That means you have to pick your battles. And if you're going through the calculus, you're thinking, yeah, you know, do we really want to get involved in all this stuff when there's talk of insurrection? It could be that they – it's a fight they knew they weren't going to win anyway. So they said it was moot.

Yeah, exactly. And some people call it a cop-out, which is a fair point. Other people will say that you have to protect the soft power of the Supreme Court. And there's a fair point to that because a lot of our institutions have lost soft power. When you say that he would fear that it's going to weaken the institution, is that it will weaken the perception of the institution through the media? Well, yeah, through the collective hive mind. So the idea is that the Supreme Court can't cut anyone's budget. But Congress, if they wanted to, could cut the law clerk budget. There's all these different ways that they could mess with them. The Supreme Court, if they want to have an order enforced, they can't have the FBI kick down the door and take power. Their rule is by reason. Their rule is by soft

power. Their rule is by people saying, that's the Supreme Court opinion. That really means something. After Bush versus Gore, you got to remember, if we hadn't had 9-11, Bush versus Gore would have been four years of Bush being the orange man. The institution of the court, the soft power of the court had declined significantly because it was a close opinion on partisan lines and it was a little dodgy even by my assessment of it. So you had a loss of institutional power, a loss of soft power, the idea that this is a Supreme Court, this is an edict, you should follow it. Because ultimately, if the Supreme Court issues a ruling that an executive officer doesn't like, the president could just say, well, I don't, who cares, right? There was a, I believe it was Andrew Jackson who said the Supreme Court has issued their ruling, now let them enforce it. That, all that historical background is swirling around. And it is fundamentally true. If the Supreme Court issued a ruling and Trump didn't want to follow it, he could just say, we're just not going to abide by this rule.

What are you going to do? I have my Praetorian Guard. So there's a lot of conflict there. And soft power is kind of an amorphous term too, which is how do people rule? Well, the Supreme Court, they don't have any hard power. Congress has hard power, right? Like what? Subpoena power?

Well, by hard power, I mean they can actually do things to you like you don't have a budget the lights aren't going to work they can pass laws making something a crime right they have an enforcement mechanism whereas like even the media to put a different example is the media has no hard power soft power as more people just say we don't really care as elon musk tells the washington post i don't care i'm not going to answer your articles and as more people say we like elon we don't really care. As Elon Musk tells the Washington Post, I don't care. I'm not going to answer your articles. And as more people say, we like Elon. We don't like the media. Who cares? The media doesn't have any power anymore, right? The power is only in that ability to shape public opinion, the ability that, oh, this is in the New York Times. This must be matter. This must be true. This is how we're going to live our lives. So that's the Supreme Court, even though it's a

branch of government. Elon's response was pretty telling today because the Washington Post quoted him as saying, quote, give my regards to your puppet masters when they asked him for an interview. So he didn't just like shun them away. He made sure to send them a message, especially to the Washington Post, which is being seen more of an institutional establishment kind of paper of record for the intelligence agencies. I won't. I won't do interviews with any of these people. I won't. won't do interviews with any of these people i won't i ignore them and honestly even in like smaller independent and you know

whatever you know channels i i won't do that for the most part either there's very very few anything i'll do with anyone else the whole system is is just man is a clown show to put it mildly right and their soft power is declined so here's what i mean by that is it used to be that a hit piece would actually kind of damage you. You got written about it, said bad things. People say, ooh, I don't know if I want to talk to that person or be around that person. And then it changed to the point where I don't even respond. Only kind of boomers like Jordan Peterson respond to hit pieces.

Oh, read this mean thing they said about me. Everybody else knows your people aren't even going to read it. Ninety-nine of them aren't even going to read it, first of all. The ones who do read it aren't even going to read it. Ninety nine of them aren't going to read it. First of all, the ones who do read it aren't even going to believe it. So even if the media writes something about you critical, that's true. Your own followers are going to say, oh, they probably just made the whole thing up. The whole thing's fake. That's a change, though.

And that's what I mean by the soft power, the ability to shape narrative, the ability to shape public perception. I got to be honest. If that's I heard you saying and I understand it. And that sounds to me like the Supreme Court is a bunch of cowards. They're weak. They're pathetic. They have no real power anyway. And it sounds like you've got these three branches of government where they pretend the Supreme Court is co-equal when in reality, they're like the loser kids in the in the corner of the playground.

And they're only they're only claim to power is like that little kid in recess who would suck up to the teacher is just crossing their fingers and hoping you listen to them. If they're not actually going to stand up for anything, then what's the point of having it in the first place? Well, they would say that they're just a check on government and that check should be used in exceptional circumstances and under limited circumstances. That was the idea. That's why when people talk about judicial activism, they're talking about the court taking a very active role as the Warren card. Oh, there's a right to this. There's a right to this. There's a right to that.

There's a right to that. These rights are protected. The other rule or rather the other view of the court is a more conservative one, jurisprudentially, not necessarily politically, which is that the Supreme Court shouldn't get involved in this kind of stuff. So I'll give a great example. If Donald – if the Senate had convicted Trump and Trump had tried to sue in the Supreme Court, there's something called the political question doctrine, which holds that they would just say, well, this isn't for us to decide. This is a political question. So there's things called abstention doctrines, which is a little bit different from standing. But the idea of abstention is even when the Supreme Court has jurisdiction, they won't hear the case under these various doctrines. So you're right in the sense that they're not the most powerful, but somebody like John Roberts would maybe cheekily respond, I agree with you. That's the point where we are the little kids. We're not the one who's supposed

to exercise this power. If that were the case, and it sounds like it is, then that means serious trouble for this country. It means there's no resolution to make to serious disputes. It means that the conflict that has been escalating over the past several years will have no resolution. Your hope is that this this council of legal experts and elders can step in and say, we've heard the arguments and we will now be the tiebreaker, the referee in this one. Instead, they said, you've complained. You've actually brought up some interesting arguments. Shove it. Yeah.

I mean, look at the way Andrew Cuomo treated the Supreme Court. They told him, they ruled his lockdown orders were unconstitutional. He said, I don't care. I'm just going to do new ones that don't apply to this specific one. So, you know, seeing Andrew Cuomo do this really kind of signals that the Supreme Court is not going to be your savior, like many people expect. I see like the Supreme Court is like a lens that's focusing the law for the American people to see clearly. And it's up to us as the people to enforce what they can kind of show us. But that's all they really do is pass

through ideas. It's meaningless. Well, I would say this, though, is if as critical as it might be the Supreme Court or federal judges, especially in federal courts, I would trust a federal judge if I had to choose some kind of like gambit. Do you trust this random member of Congress with your rights? You trust the president with your rights, Trump or Biden? Or do you trust a federal judge with your rights? I would trust the federal judge. I think you'd be better off choosing a partisan member of your tribe in a political party. but we're doing a ralsey and vail ignorance thing though we're saying that you can't get to pick like i would obviously you know choose if you could choose the referee you can't but if you're looking at just in terms of the system i

would still say the courts are better equipped and more likely to to vindicate or care about individual rights and the flip side too is the January 6th, I mean, if you're an adult and you watch that, you say that's a bad thing, but 9-11, 9-11, right? We live in a childish world where every adult's gonna be like, yeah, this is bad.

You need to suss out who is doing what. But we have to, we're supposed to basically pretend, which I say we live in like the age of pretend which is oh my that was a 9-11 holy cow event so it's this fake emotion and the supreme court they're sensitive to that the idea that it's 9-11 but in a way it's worse than 9-11 because the 9-11 terrorists all got pro bono legal representation by the most elite lawyers in the country yeah none of those elite lawyers are going to do anything for these Trump supporters,

these magamoms. Outside of that, people who have been detained in Guantanamo Bay will get these very high prestigious pro bono lawyers. ACLU donating their time. But you get Bernice from Oklahoma who's being charged with two misdemeanors for trespass, and a lot of them are and the lawyer's like i'm not going anywhere near that and and what's worse about that is they're being held this is the thing where if you're a lawyer you're like screaming on the inside because

in federal courts a little different than state there's something called the federal sentencing guidelines it varies like mathematical is it your first offense was it a non-violent offense what did you actually do when you get your time? Most of the indictments I've read are Bernice, some MAGA grandma, read some weird thing on the internet, showed up, didn't know there was a riot because she's just following the crowd, walks in. Oh, hi, everybody. And she's just smiling and thinks nothing happened. Well, that's trespass. That's a day in jail maybe. But they're being held without bail right so they're doing

they're actually going to do more time pre-trial it's supposed to be the opposite because you're presumed innocent this is this is the scary thing about what we're seeing right so there's some other stories we can maybe get into a little bit like the fbi seizing congressional phone records saying that members of congress are now suspects you've got nami wolf she recently went tucker carlson saying totalitarian totalitarianism is here. And we'll jump into those and get into those in fuller detail in a second. But what's scary is that the Democrats will not stop. They won't. The Republicans are worthless. Republican leadership every bit of power we have. And the Republicans would never do that. They're too weak. So the Democrats are going to start steamrolling people, people who there's some video where the cops opened the door to the Capitol and people just walked in confused, confused and bewildered. Those people are now facing serious jail time. Then you have the year of riots where people

literally burned down buildings what did merrick garland say well well it's extremism because it happened at night but it's terror because it was during the day or something like that i i understand going after going after like the electoral college vote count is very very serious but don't you think burning down buildings and destroying cities and what the 19 plus dead directly from the riots, as well as the Chaz, where they pumped for 10 minutes, hundreds of rounds into an SUV with two teenagers in it. These people shouldn't many of them be facing jail time as well. Well, but that's a quaint view of American equality, right?

Will Chamberlain talks about how the media, these people in D.C., they're like the patrician class and we're kind of like the peasant class. I call it the new Jim Crow, which is a little absurd given what had happened there. But it all starts a little bit early. The idea is like I know that I'm a second-class citizen. I just know it. I accept it. That's why I'm not on the internet. Well, why can't I tweet out what he – because I can't because I'm not fully human to them.

I fully understand it. I might not like it but i get it so when you understand that if you're perceived as conservative right wing you are not a human being to these people then they don't care if your buildings burn down they care that their capital building which is by the way taxpayer funded as an american i'm way more outraged that some mom can't feed her kids because her business was built down then they care that something like taxpayer funded building is going to have to be repaired. That's all taxpayer money anyway.

But that's a very outdated and archaic model of all of us being equal as Americans. No, that's – I agree, and I say it all the time. Like what's the point of me doing a video where I'm like, look at this double standard? Duh, we all know it. These – now, I mean, granted, we're seeing this really hilarious thing where the New York Times and Slate, you know, personalities are getting fired. They're losing that protection as well. So I will say there is some optimism in that regard that they're eating themselves faster and faster to the point where they might – there might just not be whatever it is they're doing. The establishment media, the soft power will be going away.

Well, if all you do is hypocrisy, then, yeah, you're like that's a conservative cliche. There's that meme, here lies conservatism. Then the headstone says something like imagine if it were a Democrat. But there's this other – Lindsay something or another. I realize people on Twitter don't even know their names. But he said the idea is you're just putting sand in the gears. So the idea is I know for a fact that it annoys Chris Cuomo and Jake Taper and these people.

They do get annoyed. Now, are they going to change their minds? Are they going to be better? Not really, but it annoys them. And sometimes all you can do as a second class citizen, as somebody who's essentially without institutional power, you can just annoy these people a little bit. And then you have an instance like Chris Cuomo, where he melts down on a guy, threatens to throw a guy down the stairs and, you know, is completely losing it. So you know that he's bothered by it. That's sometimes all you can do. And I think that's worth doing.

But for someone like you or other people like Ben Shapiro or you, Luke, or just anybody with a big platform, when that's all I see in your time, I'm like, oh my God, go do something, especially when people have money. That's when I get really triggered. Like when it's Trump campaign people. It's like, okay, you guys raised $250 million post-election to investigate whatever you're going to investigate. Why don't you take – I mean you know what it costs. Take $25 million and you could hire a full-arm investigative reporter. It's like, oh, well, why doesn't CNN cover this?

I don't know. Why don't you hire 50 reporters though? They don't really care. No, they don't. Exactly. That's the scam. And that's where I get into it with MAGA people because you know what it costs. I know what it costs.

Everybody here knows what it costs. So we're like, look, they got $250 million, dude. You're going to give them more money? You are an idiot. That's what I tell them. And people don't like to hear that, but I don't really care. They could take a million dollars and hire eight nine ten reporters i mean you don't got to give them a six figures hire 20 and give them all 40 something thousand a year and people will do it right now

people have lost their jobs you can find people to do this but you're right they had 250 million dollars i don't think they actually really cared more importantly i think trump cared but people around him certainly did not and weren't there to help him. They were there to extract as much as they could from him. And well, he fell for it. I mean, he fell for it. But moreover, the problem that I had is like the donors fell for it. I'm always like demand more of your leaders. I think that's where again, I differ from a lot of Trump people is the idea is like if you go to bed tonight and you wake up, you're not gonna be like, Oh God,, I just had Mike on my show. And he's tweeting and bombs. What indigestion, you're never gonna wake up with indigestion. That's how you should

be. If you're, if you're Trump, you should just realize, okay, I don't want my people to wake up with indigestion. I know people like to have a lot of fun. I know that we should keep it light. I know they like a little bit of trolling. But I don't want people just to wake up with a complete case of what did I really do? And Trump would kind of do that over and over again. And that's where he became his own worst enemy. Or even stuff like early on, I never liked was the beefing with LeBron James. Like you're president now, dude. You can beef with LeBron James in 2015. In 2018, guess what? You don't get to do that anymore. Or slam Duncan on Rosie while his supporters are being kicked off the internet. can be for lebron james in 2015 and 20 and 2018 guess what you don't get to do that anymore or slam duncan on rosie while his supporters are being kicked off the internet there's this famous

saying that there's a meme about that says people who believe in politicians think that strippers actually like them they don't politicians don't like you either and a lot of them sadly are being used for their personal benefit and a lot of it is not being done for your well let's let's do that let's use that to jump into this next story which which I pulled up the best source imaginable for. This is the Independent Women's Forum. They say feminist author and former Bill Clinton advisor Naomi Wolf warns of totalitarianism because of pandemic emergency rules. It's really interesting because Naomi Wolf voted for Joe Biden, then came out later saying, if I had known he was in favor of lockdowns, I wouldn't have done it. The dude was screaming, high heavens, he was in favor of lockdowns.

He was the plexiglass president. Yeah. Literally. That was what he was named after. So it was surprising to see this kind of tweet. It did go viral because it did garner a lot of attention. But, you know, there's a lot of things we could criticize them. But this is a moment where she's finally coming out and actually speaking some bigger truths

out there. She was just on Tucker Carlson. and some of the points she's making are right on the head and i have to agree with her when she says that lockdowns are as the mexican president said tools of totalitarians what i find interesting about this is one i will always give credit where credit is due calling out totalitarianism and the lockdowns and all that stuff is a good thing but i do have to at least have some critical view. I mean, does she really care or is she just making money off of anti-establishment sentiment? When it was Trump in office, Trump was bad.

And then immediately the day after they call it for Biden, she goes, oh, oh, oh, Biden is bad, too. Oh, yeah. Like the reason I bring this up is because, Luke, you made that point about strippers, that the people who trust politicians are the same people who think that strippers like them. Is Naomi Wolf just another one of these personalities who's going to try and say whatever she has to say at the right time? I would contest that from my own personal experiences, understanding that the anti-establishment dollar is not really a high dollar. It's not really valued a lot. And now the establishment dollar, which means talking about their narratives and their talking points, that pays a lot. That has a lot of gigs. So I think she's actually

putting a lot on the line by criticizing Biden because she's one of the few that actually does. And there's not many other people like her. And I don't think I honestly think she didn't know the my wife's parents, my in-laws, I guess you call them, because they're from Iran, CNN has actually good reputation internationally. The biggest problem with CNN isn't domestic. It's internationally. People actually believe that stuff. And it really is harming the country and the country's interests. So they don't know. They'll come over and bring up things. And we're like, yeah, you know that this thing happened. I have no idea that it happened. So I do believe people like Naomi Wolf are so secluded that she didn't know. I mean, something came out to Robbie. So I've tweeted it out. I think Skeptic Mag did the survey. But if you ask most Biden voters, how many unarmed black men do you think are killed a year by police? They're gonna say 1000. Yeah, I think we actually we actually have this. There's a so you tweeted about that exact Goldberg tweet about it. Interestingly, there's this graph. I also posted on Instagram.

They asked people in 2019 what percentage of people killed by police were black. Very liberal people said 60%. They thought 60% of the people killed by police were black. Conservatives said 37. The real number, 23. Even conservatives were overestimating. But the crazy thing you're referencing is in one of the graphs, if you ask a very liberal person how many black men were killed by cops in 2019, 31 percent of very liberals will say about

1,000. 30 percent will say about 100. And then among conservatives, 46 percent say about 10. 40 percent say about 100. I think the real number was 27. Yeah 27 and that's where you know this is what probably where the mindset work comes in is a lot of persuasion and mindset is meeting people where they are so i know that if i'm talking to a biden person like nomi wolf i'm meeting her where she is but she believes that literally there's a thousand unarmed black people being killed and that's why they're so you know because i'd be freaking out too if there were a thousand unarmed black people being killed and that's why they're so you know because i'd be freaking out too if there were a thousand unarmed black people being killed a year in the country i would be marching with them too right i would be i would be right there but when you actually look at you

like well i mean it's 19 to 25 twice as many white people are actually killed nobody knows their names there's actually a bit of that in the hoax movie was ask how many people name one white guy who was killed the best i can do is i think it was in san bernardino a homeless guy got beat to death and you could see the pictures of his face swollen up but that's the closest that i can come to finding the name right even though numerically we should know at least as many but we really don't so when you look at the numbers you have a different perspective on how things are going. So you have to meet people where they are, and this is what they believe.

So this could just be Naomi Wolf getting the red pill. Basically, she's been eating up mainstream media trash, and then something happened after the 7th where she saw some news that she trusted and said, wait a minute, what? And she finally woke up to what was really going on. Well, she's been anti-establishment for a while. She also said a lot of supportive things for the Second Amendment and told people to reconsider their thoughts on the left about being able to defend yourself and bear arms. I interviewed her before. So there is a shifting. But I think, again, we have to stop thinking between the left and the right.

We have to start thinking establishment versus anti-establishment. And overall, I think she's been establishment versus anti-establishment. And overall, I think she's been on the anti-establishment trend. And I think she'd be someone interesting to talk to about this specific issue. To get into her mind and understand where she came from and what changes her opinions. You just said it's anti-establishment

to support the Second Amendment. The most established document in the United States somehow is anti-establishment. That's true. That's true. That's insane. Yeah. That's a real problem. Every one of these politicians are doing everything in their power to destroy it because it constrains them.

Then it sounds like they're not in our best interests. It's like over the past several hundred years, the people have had a giant shield, the Constitution. And every day a politician is just battering against it, trying to it and justify their their ability to do so if we don't i guess uh i don't know i don't know the exact quote if we don't defend the constitution then the constitution will no longer defend us it's just like multinational corporate bribes yeah but in that uh in that regard nummy wolf is absolutely correct about the totalitarianism and i'm glad at least some people are waking up to it. Joe Biden is going to be doing all of these things that they complained about with Trump. You know, kids in cages.

Congratulations. That's all back. It's actually back with a vengeance. Now they've got more facilities. Before it was Donald Trump using what was it, the Homestead facility in southern Miami? And that was built under the Obama administration. They complained about it and now lord and as a lawyer too not to interrupt just to chime in is under the law

they actually have to that was something left out of the reporting there was something called the flores decision which is that you can't keep kids and adults together in the same facility so the whole thing as you said started with obama because of this ninth circuit ruling carried under trump and biden's doing it but it's like, but it's it's it's not just that. So so Trump inherits the homestead facility and the left is screaming and complaining. He's got kids in cages and they kept accidentally posting photos of Obama era stuff. But Joe Biden just what he opened a new one, didn't he? They have these new these new mobile units with bars on the windows.

They look like an air conditioning overflow facility. Overflow for migrant youth overflow facility. Migrant youth overflow facility. Now here's a funny thing. I'm going to defend Joe Biden on this one. When Donald Trump, under his administration, you had these kids being separated from the adults. We don't know who their

parents are. So do you really want these kids to potentially be with strangers? Because strangers do that. Sometimes it's horrifying. We want to make sure families are not separated. But what if you have some dude who can't prove who his kid is and the kid says, that's not my dad. So they separate the kids and then the left gets mad. Joe Biden is doing the same thing. The left is complaining about Joe Biden doing this now. And I'm going to say the same thing. We can't just assume because some

guys that's my kid. It's that's true. And we got to be careful about trafficking. So what do we do? Being in Mexico many times, you see all these wanted posters and all these missing children posters all over the public streets. And there's an epidemic of missing children in Mexico that's a lot higher than a lot of people even understand. And covering the border crisis, specifically in Tijuana, there's been many stories of children being stolen so they could use it as a way to get across the border and to get sympathy. And there's this fake news being spread around that if you come across the border with a child that you're going to be allowed in, allowed through without any problems, without any questions, as long as you have a child. So there's stories like this. It's not always, you know, it doesn't always uh you know the the it doesn't

always 100 of the time happen but it does happen and it does need to be addressed and sadly this you know the child trafficking and kidnapping in mexico deserves to be a lot of a bigger story than it actually is i guess the the main issue with everything we've been talking about is people you you look you said it was establishment versus anti-establishment. I don't even think that's true. I think it's people who only watch mainstream media versus people who actually think critically. Zombies. You have to look deep, though. I mean, again, I have a lot of compassion for people.

It's just – imagine if you don't go into the weeds and look into everything yourself. It's like a full-time job practically. So that's why they attack YouTube and everything else. The idea that you're a working mom or a working dad and you come home after a long shift and you got three hours and you hope to see your kids before they go to bed and you're going to say, oh, I wonder what really is going on with these overflow facilities. Oh, there was actually a ruling called the Flores decision. You can't have unaccompanied minors because human trafficking, and there was a report actually,

to your point, Luke, there was actually a report that showed that hundreds of children had been human trafficked and had been let go back to their traffickers. So this is all not conspiracy. It's all true. But you're just trying to get by, man.

You're just trying to live. And that's why I think that's, because I grew up very poor, I think that's why I loathe the media in a way that I take it personally, which is people are just trying to work, man. People are just trying to get by. People are trying to live the best life that they can and be moral and be compassionate. And you're lying to them.

You're creating hysteria. You're making people think that if you're a black guy and you leave your house, you might be hunted down by the police that day because thousands of people are being killed every day. You're creating a horrible, horrible mental state for people. And I resent that. Trauma, fear, pain. And once you put that in someone's mindset, once you attract them, once you make them think that they're a victim, I mean, they're going to start acting like it. And your mindset is critically important.

That's why you wrote your book this way. But another thing that kind of gave me hope recently, and I started my video today with this, it was a clip from the Australian Open. And it's a clip of a lady talking about how great the vaccine is, and we're all going to go back to normal because of the vaccine. And the crowd erupted. Boo! Really? Huge boos at the Australian Open. And then she said, we want to thank our government. Bigger boos, bigger. I tweeted the video also. Luke, we are changing if you want to pull it up but the video is eye-opening and mind-boggling to see so many people during the australian open just absolutely boo as loud as they can this person trying to thank the government and the vaccine for bringing life back to normal

and it was something that literally awestruck me and made me really consider like hey maybe maybe people are far more awake than we understand. I don't know if you could play the full clip because of copyrights. Oh, yeah, maybe not. You should be careful with that. But when you play the video, I mean, the boos are so loud. There's no even questioning it. I think you played the first 15 seconds.

It's been a time of deep loss and extraordinary sacrifice for everyone. And with vaccinations on the way, rolling out in many countries around the world, it's now a time for optimism and hope for the future. Yeah. Wow. It was even bigger boos when she was like, we want to thank the government. They even went crazier. But don't play the full clip because, you know, you've got to be careful.

But seeing that clip gave me chills because it's like, wait, wait. People are far more awake. People are far more aware than we give them credit to. And we're seeing a perception of reality that's catered to us by algorithms, by big tech billionaires. And that's another perspective we need to entertain. You know who I think the most dangerous man right now in the country is? Wow, okay, that's hyperbolic. I shouldn't say that. But you want to know who I think is one of the most dangerous man right now in the country is well okay that's hyperbolic i

shouldn't say that but you know what you you want to know who i think is one of the most dangerous people in the country dr fauci uh you know oh yeah i hate it but but let me tell you exactly why he is going out saying that even if you get the vaccine nothing will will change you still have to social distance you still have to mask You still can't reopen your business. The people that are saying that the vaccine will not do anything for us are telling people not to get it. And that's Fauci doing that. So I talk to people and I ask my friends, are you going to get the vaccine? They're like, why?

What's the point? And I'm like, what do you mean? What's the point? So who cares? Fauci said nothing's going back to normal. And I'm like, why is this guy saying these things? He's making people not want to go and actually take care of themselves. Well, he was telling people, too, in March 2020, nobody believes me.

And then I say, here's the article. Oh, you can go on a cruise ship. Everything's fine. So if you look at anything that he said, the guy's kind of an idiot. I think Jordan Schachtel or whatever. I'm really bad with names, as you'll learn. Actually, people thought it was a bit where I'd mispronounce names to be like Alpha. No, I just really don't know names. I just really am

that bad. Fauci has just fallen up with his entire government career. He's actually not an impressive person. When you watch him talk more than one time, all he can do is talk in buzzwords. Oh, you know, the world's not going to turn around. Talk about math. Talk about the numbers. Talk about the models you gave. He's not going to do it. And like you said, he unintentionally presents a case against vaccinations because you're like, ah, do I really want to do this? I was on the line. Nothing's going to change anyway. I'm going to keep doing it. That's government, though. I mean, the lesson of corona, honestly, man, was, you know, you watch those movies, Independence Day, the world rallies together, competent people rise up. You have a kind of a solution to things. Our technocrats are just idiots.

They're just not even competent at being technocrats. And Fauci is a great example. That's who we'd be ruled by. I'd rather be ruled by Biden, to be honest, than Fauci if I had to choose. Yeah. Well, he keeps contradicting himself. Even recently with the mask thing, he said there's no evidence that you should wear two masks. Now he says you should wear two masks.

Hold on. The first thing he said was it's just common sense that two masks would be better. Yeah. Then he came out later and said, well, there's nothing saying that two masks would be better. Then he came out again saying two masks are better than the CDC issues, a guideline saying wear two masks. Yeah. He also said that the vaccines will be available for everyone by April. He now changed that to June.

He was telling everyone not to wear masks. He was talking about airborne transmissions. He was talking about so many things that he was absolutely wrong on, and yet he's still being played by Brad Pitt. He's still being portrayed as some kind of religious god figure to some people. I mean, the worship of this man is absolutely sickening they have to though which is go to your point your point earlier the you know michael mal says that which is the propaganda wouldn't be necessary if they're winning it's just so unbelievable these people are so dumb think about how crazy it is that fauci literally came out and said he he fauci said this don't wear a mask he said no you don't need a

mask you don't need to go do that and then he came out later saying this, don't wear a mask. He said, no, you don't need a mask. You don't need to go do that. And then he came out later saying, oh, you got to wear a mask. Then he came out saying, wear two, then don't wear two, then wear two. Now the CDC says wear two. Wouldn't any regular person like you described, Mike, who just wants to go home, spend some time with their kids, eventually be like, I can't take it anymore. You can't tell me what is going on or why. And you keep changing everything. At a certain point, you'd be like, there's no way you expect me to do both. Over 30 people are.

So that's the divide I notice is there's an outdoor gym because Orange County is pretty much life as normal where I live because the sheriff's like, we're not going to ticket people and arrest people for, you know, Governor Newsom. Sorry, not going to do it. So we have an outdoor gym and the boomers rarely wear their masks, except you have to when you check in and you check out. The under 30 people, in between their little sets, they're wearing the masks.

So the majority of the people, especially, not even red, blue, but just the majority of the people are done with it. Majority of the people are, what do I got to do? Okay, do I got to wear a mask to check in? I'm going to check in. But they don't actually respect Fauci. But you to la you go these deep blue areas 30 year old people

they're they're actually enforcing imagine being a 30 year old man and you're yelling at someone to wear a mask or right or you're you're you're wearing a mask and then you lift your mask up take a bite of a cheeseburger and then pull the mask down while you chew, and you're getting food bits all over your mask like some kind of moron. That's insane to me that they're doing that. You see evidence that COVID exists in ice cream and just let it go right past you because you're cognitive dissonance. It's in the food supply. Get over it.

Listen, my point about Fauci is that I don't expect the average person to do all the research that I do every day. They're not researchers. They're plumbers. They're custodians or carpenters or computer technicians or managers or car salesmen, whatever. I work all day reading this stuff, so I know. And then many people come to this show to try and get a critical assessment because that's not their job. I wouldn't think I could go on the internet and learn how to be a plumber.

I can try and do a tutorial. I'm going to hire a plumber, to be honest. I need the expert to do it. So what I'm saying is there are people who could, you could turn the TV on and you have Anderson Cooper sitting there with his glasses and he's like, Dr. Fauci, you say don't wear a mask. And Fauci goes, don't wear a mask. Don't wear it.

And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. That was crazy. You need to. Then he comes out later saying to wear a mask. Then he comes out saying to then don't wear two then wear two and the cdc says where to wouldn't the regular person at some point just be like i don't even know what's supposed to do anymore because they keep changing what i'm supposed to do i think that's where they are though i guess that that's what that's what i've observed is that

that's where the average kind of regular person is and it's only the people who live in these information silos the the woke kids in Brooklyn. Because, again, just as a meta point is I remember when you're a 30-year-old man, if you had told me to wear a mask, and I was probably more liberal when I was 30, I would say, what are you doing? Like do I have to do it? I guess I will because you got to do what you got to do. Me being a man and yelling at another man when you're walking outside, walking your dog, you need to wear a mask, is another bigger problem. But if you look at just public sentiment, public sentiment is where you is. People are kind of tired of it.

Have you seen that video where there's a woman? She's in a store, and there's a guy basically harassing her. And it reveals everything when he goes, does anybody else think it's messed up that she doesn't have to wear a mask but we do? Now you know what the guy was really mad about. He's mad that they got their boot on his neck and he can't do anything about it. So he harasses some five-foot-tall woman who's not wearing a mask. Yeah, crabs in a bucket. Crabs in a bucket mindset.

They don't want to do it, but everybody has to do it. They're going to do it. But yeah, sentiment. Sentiment's changed, man. People are mad. That's why they're doing more and more of suppressing information. That's why people like the New York Times unfettered conversations are happening. This is bad. You know, you shouldn't have to scold people if your message is credible, because most people can kind of observe the world like you, even if you work and you work hard and people tell you, okay, man-made global warming is caused by carbon emissions.

And you're like, okay, but wait, but you're flying a private jet. You have yachts. You're buying beachfront property. You're buying beachfront property, but wait a minute, you're going to be underwater here in Martha's Vineyard

and you just spent $15 million on your home. So there's such a disconnect between the messaging from the ruling elite and how they actually live their lives that more and more people are frustrated. Do you think these regular people who are kind of just like getting shocked out of the system because the media is full of it, do you think they're going to reject all this wokeness?

Because it kind of feels like it's just sweeping over everything, like the critical theory and all that stuff. Well, that's why they're again trying to push it in an educational thing. That's why the media is pushing it so hard and having their little purges because, you know, because we read media, even though we read it critically, we're gaslit. We're still victims because we still think this is overrepresented because that's what we look at all day. Even to say like, this is wrong. We're still like gaslit. So for example, if you read the internet, I'm a pretty like hated guy, right? Oh yeah. I get recognized almost every day even in

even these little smaller areas i go and it's always positive even if it's negative a guy just kind of like laughs nobody actually really thinks i'm a scary person people be like oh you're starting a school you know kind of like one of those but nobody but on the internet i'm like a very like scary guy but that's gaslighting that's not how people actually think in microcosm that's the same thing with the macrocosm. People are like, this is a lie. One of my favorite things is how if you right now state – you've tweeted before you're in favor of universal health care, right? Yeah, yeah.

Pretty – yeah. People are like, oh, Andrew Yang, universal income. I'm like, well, you can read a political article about me in 2017 where I was talking about universal basic income. And my problem with that more was like the incentives it creates versus the idea that I think it's good to give poor people money, but that's far right. You can come out and publicly state 10 left-wing positions and then criticize critical race theory. And what will happen is on Wikipedia, people will say, hey, Mike Cernovich has a whole bunch of left wing populist positions. And they'll say, well, he's not a good source.

You can't use him as a reference. Is there a credible article? And then you will tweet critical race theory is a bad thing. And they will use it and say, well, he said it. So it's what he believed. We better include it. He's a far right, alt right, whatever. What you say only matters if it's bad for you if you're saying things against the the cathedral

well yeah what the cathedral does though is that again though is part of the gaslighting so the gaslighting is that if you're me and you believed the internet because you read the news even though you know the news is a lie you'd be like oh man you know people don't really like me and then you're like where are these people you know literally where are these people i've walked down manhattan never had i've been in the most populous like lefty areas and i get the el chapo kind of irony bro like or something like that nobody's like oh my god that's a scary person because the the idea when they caricature in the media which is so funny is if i were a scary person you would not write about me right you don't see these people these woke boys in in Brooklyn, writing about actually scary people like prison gangs.

They're not writing about Charlie Hebdo. Yeah, exactly. They're not writing about Charlie Hebdo or they're not even writing about – even these people are like, oh, yeah, there's all these racists everywhere. Then go write about the Aryan Brotherhood. Go knock on the door. MS-13. Yeah, go write about MS-13. So if they were actually afraid, then they wouldn't even write about it so that that

again translates to everything which is the media they they lie so much that even when you're criticizing them you still have a form of victimization of your mind because you're like oh yeah this is predominant opinion no this isn't this isn't even predominant left wing up the critical race theory thing it's not even predominantly left wing i went to portland i was actually kind of worried when i'm to Portland. Because I've been to Berkeley. Berkeley was kind of creepy. But I walked around with Berkeley with no problems at all. Although someone did try starting a fight with me at a skate park, which was crazy.

And then some other didn't intervene. But I went to Portland. Portland is like Antifa Central. And I was worried. I was like, I'm going to get some... Someone's going to yell at me. And guess what happened? So this guy starts walking up to me.

And I'm like, oh, man. Oh, here we go. And he walks up and he goes, oh, Tim to meet you man shakes my hand and he's like big fan i love what you do and i was like i appreciate it and i was like is that like you think a lot of people in portland feel that way he's like oh yeah definitely a bunch of my friends watch your stuff and i was like oh that's really neat i go to a restaurant i'm sitting at the bar and i order like a spicy chicken and bacon i'm like i'm excited and the guy brings my sandwich out it looks amazing and he goes hey aren't you tim pool and i went oh i can't eat this now this guy and then he was like

i'll be right back and i was like oh dude what he comes out and he gives me a free bottle of hot sauce he's like dude i love your stuff man it's fantastic and i was like oh wow thank you and i'm like it all these people online who say all these nasty things where are they you know what it is it's really simple actually what the internet has done let's done, let's say every city in the country, let's say there's 100 cities, and 60% of the people in these cities are regular, middle-of-the-road people, and then 30% are more politically active, liberal or conservative, but still fairly normal. And then you have one person who's crazy extremist. That one person goes online and finds the one person in every other city and creates a network of 100 people to harass you.

You then start feeling like there's a large group coming after you. But when you go out these places, most people are like, oh yeah, I heard about you. Yeah, cool. How's it going? And it's just totally normal.

Do me a favor, guys. Tweet out some love to Tim and Mike and Luke. I don't care. Because I think the crap, the negativity gets shouted out because you feel it. You're angry. It's easy. You're motivated.

But the love, it's important that you send that too. I've been on ayahuasca too many times. I've been confronted with all of the things known and unknown by God telling me this is what you need to work on. So then when people on the internet are nipping at me, on on an emotional level it just doesn't have any kind of impact i'm like i i and and i gotta say something too like there's no need to do that i don't check my mentions maybe like once or twice periodically if i tweet something and it shows me the tweet and the thing you know messages come in but i why do i care about what like you know some anime cat girl on twitter thinks about what i should do with my business like this person with 14 followers who says dumb things i'm like you're doing great for yourself i

think i'll take my own advice on this one well what it does though is yeah i guess to your point is it does gaslight you a little bit where it doesn't like i don't oh man there's a lot of people on the internet being mean to me you know i'm really sad but it's more like wow i'm a really hated guy you start to believe it right because that's all you see like wow man people really do hate me and because i'll be a shot in where i hardly ever leave my house and leave my house people like oh man love your stuff blah blah blah so it it it does create this kind of construct where you because you only hear one messaging even though emotionally it doesn't regulate or mess with you. That's true. That was a really funny moment where you retweeted something from me.

I tweeted something and it was not, I can't remember what it was, but it wasn't like super pro-Trump or anti-Trump. It was a political thing that was like cultural. And I thought it was more like a libertarian issue. It was something about freedom of free speech. You retweeted it. And then some lefties started responding, saying like, look at all the people who are responding you all of these, you know, far right, whatever. And I was like, I said something like, people retweet tweets, like I don't know, people follow whatever they want to follow. And they said, if you really did believe in freedom, then you would have left wing people coming in here and commenting and then all of a sudden there were like 50 to 100 responses from people who follow me saying oh yeah i'm a liberal i follow tim we just don't tweet we like mind our own business right regular people aren't trying to scream at you on the internet and so what do you see online the lunatics the ones who are screaming the loudest and that i gotta be honest that includes each and every one of one of us in this room we are more more likely to be egocentric or narcissistic than the average person.

That's a fact. That's a good point that you're making here. And I was going to add that to Ian. Also, just like negative comments hurt you, too many good comments hurt you as well because they build up your ego and this perception and this identity that you're perfect

and you have no imperfections and that everything you do, your farts smell like roses no matter what you eat, no matter how many Taco Bells you go to, it doesn't matter but i i think for the most part the internet is a negative place you're not getting a lot of people saying like dude i really love you you're so fantastic you get them sometimes but it's the same thing hate but it's the same thing though where if if you go through life and you get like good service or something you rarely write like a thank you card to the person because one of the exercises i did early on um when i was an angry guy maybe i'm 19

you know you do these at home dvd or cds that's how you had to do it and one exercise was like a gratitude exercise so if you went to the airplane and like somebody was really nice to you you would write a letter to the manager but it was like a good letter like say one good thing about antifa oh uh they have a lot of money i don't know that's a compliment so i i will say i'll say this actually there was a guy he actually went to jail went to prison he attacked someone outside of one of my events in new york and he apologized to the guy he attacked he still felt morally justified in what he did and he said he didn't regret it but it was more like oh i didn't realize i was hitting a civilian you know kind of thing oh wow but when i read his stuff he wrote with a great level of sensitivity

and a great level of empathy but he believed he just believes things about the world that aren't true and that's again where they they read things on the internet they don't actually talk i'm like hey dude you can give me a call bro like you can give me a call and you can say hey mike do you like believe these things before you want to riot and i'll honestly tell you what i believe or what i don't believe so some of them do have uh above average amount of literacy above average amount of compassion above average amount of cultural awareness midwits but you know the the the thug element you know because if you're like white and you want to be in a gang you join antifa because you can kind of get away with it right it's that it's like a life hack

do you want to be violent you can join the hell's angels which you're actually around really tough guys and that maybe you're not tough enough to do that or you can join antifa and you have have a license to beat people up and you're going to even be defended by Merrick Garland. There you go. Celebrities will endorse you and support you. I'm partly kidding with the Antifa thing, but I've said it a couple times because I really don't like what these people have done. A lot of them, the violence. But I also think it's really dangerous if we only ever go down the path of demonization. We have to recognize these people, you know, the saying goes that the left, the right thinks the left is misguided, but the left thinks the right is evil. And we need to make sure that there's always, I think there's always a path to

redemption. Well, I think typically there's a tendency towards a path to redemption. Some people are just like, it's too far gone. And you're like, you know, I don't know what we can do for this person. But I look at a lot of these activists and i had a conversation with an antifa guy in berkeley he was screaming at like some right-wing dude and i was filming and then once things started to calm down i asked him you know tell me what was going on what were you saying he started explaining like oh so this guy's here and i'm saying this and then we started walking back down towards the park where they were doing that rally and he he was like, these people are all fascists, man. You got to understand.

And I said, do you think these people are all fascists? And he's like, yes, I do. And I said, do you think these people love the Second Amendment? He's like, well, yeah, of course. I was like, why do you think they love the Second Amendment? They're always complaining about the government trying to take over. And I was like, well, that sounds like they're scared of fascism. And he was like, wait, wait. I mean, no, they're scared of fascism and he was like wait wait i mean no

they're fascist and i was like bro i think they're as scared of fascism as you are and he was like oh i'm like that's that moment he no one ever told him that so maybe maybe there's a chance to like you know these people aren't getting real news like naomi wolf right she's getting this bad information and then she goes on tucker and she's like i can't believe how wrong i was and i'm like thank you very much welcome to the fight that's the that's the right thing to do. Or they could go to Boeing. They could go to Boeing's house. There's just so many. You could go to the Raytheon CEO house. They wouldn't even know there. Yeah. That to me is why all of this stuff is sort of empty is at least when they were doing the WTO protests in Seattle.

OK, OK, you're actually fighting the system. You're actually fighting the establishment. I don't agree with your tactics. I don't agree with writing. But hey, I can actually see that. But going to disrupt Andy Ngo's book sale, Paul Books, is to me just, okay, you're not fighting the system, bro. Right, right, right. He's just like, dude, he's the child of immigrants who wrote a book. He's one guy. He has no institutional power. Well, let's do this. Let's talk about the gaslighting because we did briefly mention this, but I want to dive deeper into this story because a lot of these Antifa people are motivated by fake news. So earlier on, we were talking about this. We have this poll. This is from Zach Goldberg. He says,

a recent nationally representative survey commissioned by Skeptic Mag asked respondents to estimate the number of unarmed blacks killed by police in 2019. Overall, 44% of liberals guessed 1,000 or more as compared to 20% of conservatives. This calculation is based on the crosstabs shared with me by the researcher. This is crazy, man. I watched a Prager U video, and it was Will Witt. I think it was Will Witt. And he's at the Venice Skate Park in California, and there's three black dudes. And and he asks them how many black people do you think were killed by cops in 2019 and one guy goes thousands man thousands and he was like you think thousands other guys like yeah probably thousands maybe more and then he was like 19 depending on which statistic you use

so this skeptic mag used the higher number of 27 because they take into account more circumstances. I think the official number of unarmed black men shot and killed is like 13. But then when you take into consideration like maybe like chokeholds and stuff like that, it goes up to about 27. 27. Each and every one of those unarmed individuals who died is a nightmarish tragedy. I don't even believe the death penalty, man. I really don't. I think if you've subdued someone, then we have to deal with like how I don't have all the answers.

I just tell you this. I think if we got someone locked in a box and you're like, now we're going to kill you. I think that's insane. They're no longer a threat. You got them locked in this prison. So I'm opposed to that. So if a cop comes out and gets into a situation and someone dies, that's that's a nightmare scenario because we have a constitution. We have a bill of rights. We're innocent until proven guilty. But I also recognize that these cops aren't going out hunting people down. But that's the narrative you're getting from the media.

These young people then believe it. The craziest thing about the story, this other chart we brought up, check this out. When they asked conservatives what percentage of people killed by police were black, that conservatives said 37.8%. That's, the number is actually 23%, 23.4%. 23.4% of the people who were killed by cops in 2019 were black. Even conservatives overestimated the total number by about 50%. So whatever is going on with the media that even conservatives

are skeptical of, they're still buying into these narratives. Well, it's visual. It's because of visual persuasion. A very non-political way that that survey was done is if you pulled the American public and you said, what percentage of population you think is white, Hispanic, black, most people would say they think one in four people in America are black. And if you ask them what percentage of the population is gay, you get something from like five to 25%. And the answer is that, well, if you if you're doing a billboard, you have four people, you can't put four white people because that'd be racist. So you have to put, you know, okay,

we need a woman here, we need a black here, we need a gay person here, you know, we have all the representation. And then people see that over and over and over and over again. So that misunderstanding is the same thing with combat deaths. If you say, hey, what percentage of combat fatalities do you think are like female versus male? And they'll be like, well, like 25 percent are female or some high number. You're like, no. It's like less than 1 percent. Yeah, yeah.

It's like way, way down the list. And that's because medium is the message, visual persuasion, even if you're, even if it's a good point, because I believe in representation, I believe, I agree with the left in terms of representation matters. You should have positive role models of every kind of race, religion represented, because that does matter, because kids watch that, because media is so important. So people grew up in the 80s, and they watch action movies, they go to the gym. It's unconscious. Nobody's saying, hey, go look like Sylvester Stallone. But like, it's there on a conscious level. So I actually believe in representation.

But even when it's meant to be done in good faith, people then draw the wrong conclusions. And then when it's done in bad faith, which is what the media is doing, hands up, don't shoot, all the various hoaxes, you're terror're terrorizing i mean the wild thing about it is that's probably a weird thing that people wouldn't expect me to think but i would say that black men are the biggest victims of the media hoaxes because when i leave the house i you know i know as a lawyer if i get pulled over things to get dodgy you should be careful all the time i tell people that whatever you are but i don't think that i'm gonna get hunted down by anyone you know i don't think that i'm going to get hunted down by anyone.

You know, I don't think that I'm going to get hunted down by a gang of black teenagers or the police or anyone else. There's a large percent of the population. There's actually somebody who worked for the NRA, a black guy, and he would say that or African-American or POC or whatever you're allowed to say now is he used to actually believe that white people with guns were going to hunt him down. What a terrible way to live, man. Scary, man. And, scary, man. And that's because you're being gaslit. Well, so the crazy thing is when I went to Sweden, there were a lot of conservative personalities talking about the migrant crime waves and things like that. And they were showing these videos of burning cars and the most egregious stuff.

And what I discovered was they were right. There was a crime wave in Sweden. The previous year, they had a total of one murder. The next year, it went up to like 13. For the people of the town of the city of Malmo, that was nightmarish. It was like, why are all these people being killed? But for someone from Chicago, I was like, is that it? So what happens is people in the US hear a story.

Murders are up over a thousand percent. And if you live in Chicago, your perspective is based on the Chicago murder rate of being crazy. Then you'd imagine your world, a thousand, a thousand percent increase in murder. You'd be imagining crazy insanity. I'm not going to Sweden, but you actually go there and you're like, oh, I get it. Crime is up. It's up quite a bit. This has the residents scared, but relative to where I'm from, crime is extremely and ridiculously low. So what happens is I think there are people who were correctly pointing out the crime waves, but basing the reality situation off of their

personal experience in, say, London, where there is like more crime. They then put out videos or New York or Chicago or Baltimore, and then they make it seem because in their worldview, it is crazy to see this massive increase in murders. For people who lived in Sweden, they were shocked by these numbers, but they're not used to it. So their fear was legitimate when these people in Sweden would say, we're terrified to go outside. They mean it, but it's not the same thing. You know, if you're not from there, you wouldn't know. Well, and a lot of that's in good faith, too, which the same thing. If you're not from there, you wouldn't know. Well, and a lot of that's in good faith too, which is why – I'll give you an example. I used to be,

because I grew up in a small town, terrified of big cities, right? I wouldn't want to go to New York and get shot. I'm going to go to Chicago to get mugged. And then I started traveling more, and then I would meet people from the city who were afraid of the country. We'd be driving around, they're like, oh my God, country roads. Is is going to be the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Is it going to be deliverance all over again? So there is otherizing where, okay, I grew up in the rural area. And actually, it's incredibly dangerous in terms of driving, car accidents, a deer runs out. And I'm afraid of going to Chicago to go shopping on Miracle Mile. I'm actually safer on Miracle Mile than I am driving my car at night, because some deer is not going to run out of the road. So that's not even malicious.

But then with the media – because there's all these cognitive biases, availability bias. So the last thing you hear is what you think happens all the time. So, for example, there was that famous case where the airline pilot, I think Captain Sullivan or Sully, landed in water. And then after he landed in water, oh my God, an emergency. We have to now have water life jackets in every kind of plane. You're like, that happened one time in 10 years, dude. But if you're the guy who says that happened one time in 10 years, it is what it is. Now you're going to be massacred by the media. Oh, you don't care if kids drown in a pool. So that's always going to happen too and it happens to us even when you're trying to to act in good faith and to tell the truth i worked at o'hare airport and they hired

a safety coordinator guy so they have the the bag room where the conveyor belt brings all of your luggage when you drop it off and so i guess one day this is what i was told i don't know if it's true but this is what i was told. I don't know if it's true, but this is what I was told. Somebody had something on their boot and slipped. And so the next day I come in and they've glued this grit down to the floor all across the floor. And it made it a lot harder to drive across because it was super grippy material. And it was really funny to like walk over. It was like they took like sandpaper glued to the floor. And I was like, so like one guy trips and that's their response.

Well, they don't want to be sued. Yep. So if one guy got hurt, the next time someone gets hurt, they're going to spend, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars. They're like, spend a couple hundred bucks and glue the sandpaper to the floor. So it was an overreaction. But it's also, I guess, just we have this system built in place where nobody wants to assume any risks. Nobody wants to recognize that sometimes accidents happen. But also some people exploit that accident for personal gain. Well, you don't want to be an adult. That's where, you know, one of the things I don't like how Trump handled coronavirus.

I'm not here to defend that. But like one thing he said was, hey, man, you know, like people died is what it is. And the answer is yes. I mean, a lot of people are going to die this year. Going to like die different things there are trade-offs what do you you can't just be like every death is a tragedy i mean it is to me you know if i die it's a tragedy to my family or friends or whatever but if you're in a leadership position the answer is like yeah i mean people die dude like what are you gonna do you stop the world

you shut everything down because people are gonna die but then if you say that now you're monster oh this person doesn't care about anyone he's killing grandma that's that's that's the scary reality of what's going on is that everything has to be perfect all the time like i see these tweets from aoc and she you know there was like some lefty who said uh what did they say no one should ever have to live in poverty right and it was like someone responded a person that is a viral tweet a person who was working full-time should not be living in poverty. And they responded with a snapback, no one should be living in poverty. Poverty is relative.

Poverty 100 years ago was like people sleeping in a mud pit. And Rockefeller had garbage dental care. Now poor people in this country are overweight and have air conditioning and refrigerators and TVs. Look, I'm not saying life is great for them. I would like to see them live better. I would like to see the standard go up, but the standard is going up. If no one can ever live in poverty, well, I don't know what to tell you, man, because it's relative. Well, and Luke's been around. I thought I grew up poor, and I got the creds to say I grew up poor, and then I went to Cambodia, and I was like, all right, dude.

You had a yard, bro. You had a yard. You didn't really grow up poor. Yeah, I mean, traveling to places like Philippines and Africa and Somalia, it really gives you a lot of different perspectives. But you were also born in the Soviet Union. Yeah, born in Poland. But again, what's happening here, everything's becoming so political.

Everything's becoming this kind of emotional, manipulative mind control and it's being played over and over again just to make sure that we are convinced that something is happening. When we look at the way that the media has been acting, they've been acting very, very intelligently when it comes to their propaganda. There's a reason they repeated the George Floyd murder tape over and over and over again. And when we talk about that particular event, whether you have questions about it or not, it brought up a lot of emotions for a lot of people that a lot of people capitalized

on for their own personal political benefit. Whether it was true or not, it didn't matter. People saw it and got to see it all the time. When it comes to other people, let's just say, you know, Ashley Babbitt getting killed. You don't see that footage on CNN for a particular reason. This is why the Vietnam War. It was on CNN. They paid the guy, the lefty activist.

But as far as like if you compare the footage to George Floyd, I think there's a big disparity as far as how much it's played, how it's played and the coverage behind it, the music behind it, the zooming in on it, the face of a man dying in front of you is traumatic. But we have to understand these are selectively chosen to have a bigger agenda out there. When you brought up, you know, COVID, if we treated obesity like COVID, cancer like COVID, the opioid epidemic like COVID, especially with the number of deaths, with the number of people affected by that,

my goodness, we would never get out of the door ever. But COVID is something else that's being treated in this own special, unique way. But obesity, depression, child suicide rates, all of those issues that are effective of the lockdowns, we can't even talk about it. 300,000 people die per year from obesity. We've got to lock everything down. We've got to shut it all down. It's 300,000 people who die. Diabetes, I mean, if you factor diabetes and heart disease in that probably more you know if if you look at it like lifestyle what were the top 10 most prescribed pharmaceuticals eight out of ten are lifestyle

what are the most what are the most incredulous things that i saw was a pepsi advertisement saying that your next covid test is going to be at Walmart. I mean, how ridiculous could... Yeah, Pepsi was... There was a Pepsi advertisement that said, get your COVID test now at Walmart. And I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? Especially when you look at the scientific studies. There's a meme I tweeted of this morbidly obese guy

with all the KFC and all this fast food. And the byline says, Americans be like, you have no right to go outside and endanger my health. There's no real conversations about health. There's no real conversations about stress, sleep, meditation, fasting, supplements, making sure you get enough exercise. There's no conversations about that. But there is conversations about restricting your freedoms, taking away your liberties, taking away your money, taking away your livelihood, taking away your existence

for the benefit of the state. And it's ridiculous, and it's sick, and it's two-faced, and it needs to be called out more than ever. so well thank you naomi klein for let's uh let's sort of do like a pretty harsh segue into this other segment that's uh about critical race theory and social justice stuff but it's more about um men and women and and child rearing and stuff i i normally like to make sure we keep everything in a standard through line but this one's too interesting to pass up because Matthew Iglesias. So Matthew Iglesias is the co-founder of Vox.com, and he tweeted this today. Here's a poll that could burn the discourse down.

And I don't know why he posted it, but it's family work preference based on gender and marital parental status. And the funny thing is I don't think there's anything necessarily definitive from it. But we do see that married mothers overwhelmingly believe around 55% that one parent should work full time and one parent should provide childcare in the home. And married fathers basically think the same thing. But you know, it's really funny about this. Married mothers only about 15% think both parents should work full time and use childcare work married fathers you actually have around 25% who think both parents should be working full time and using paid childcare I think it's funny that more guys think that and I think it's because men probably underestimate the amount of work that goes into raising kids so they're like oh my wife

can work it's no big deal we'll get a child, a sitter. And the wife is like, no, no, no, you underestimate. But interestingly, there's a poll from 2019 that Matthew also posted. Fifty six percent of women prefer working to homemaking. I think there's interesting ramifications from this, notably that the number is actually 56 for women and who prefer to work outside the home but 75 for men and then 39 of women prefer being a homemaker and only 23 of men my question and what i want to just i want to get into like just kind of the gender dynamics especially with you here mike about what you think this leads to why it's happening and yeah we were talking about testosterone before and like men's testosterone levels going down so i figured it'd be fun to talk about this.

Yeah, those things. I'm surprised the numbers aren't inverse where more people want to be stay-at-home moms. One thing I've got with Shauna is Shauna would be a little bit insecure to say that she was a stay-at-home mom because she would get like shamed by other women for being a stay-at-home mom. But if why would you shame someone if you were happy right that that's where i think the numbers are probably even even more skewed towards they actually don't want to work because like think about if you're happy and somebody says oh yeah i'm doing this thing like me oh yeah i like to lift weights and you tell me oh i like to bike you tell me you like to run you like to run you like to bike and i'm like i'm glad that everybody's

really happy so she would feel like put on the spot right because there's all this like shame directed by women who are like only a stay-at-home mom i couldn't do it i could just i know i believe in mindset your limits blah blah i could not be all the time with the kids the way my wife this is this is like the the one subject that when i when we talk about triggers the most anger from leftists and i don't i mean i can probably make some assumptions as to why they get so mad about it because maybe it's what you kind of pointed out that there's a lot of women who would rather be homemakers i mean the gallup poll says that

maybe there are more but they're worried about being shunned or shamed well parenting does too so shauna it's so interesting because I see things from her perspective too, is anything about parenting makes people mad. So for example, I did a whole thread on how we did natural childbirth and I prefaced it with, hey man, if you went to the hospital,

I just hope your kids are healthy. All love, blessings, love and light. How dare you? You're giving misinformation about home births and they're yelling. So anytime you do something about parenting, you're already in the home births and they're yelling so anytime you do something about parenting you're already in the danger zone because people take it personally oh so you read to your kids three books a day i only read one book a day to my kid you're therefore

saying that i'm a bad parent like nobody nobody's telling you that bro we're just like hanging out so you're already in the danger zone and then when you talk about anything with the idea that there is like a traditional gender roles might actually have a biological root to it, now you've doubled it, right? Whatever – because if all you talked about was peaceful parenting, you would have people mad at you. Well, I was spanked as a kid and I turned out good. So you're already there. And I'm not even saying biological component. I'm just like, oh, look at this poll that says men prefer it more than – I'm sorry, women prefer it more than men.

And then, man, people just light up. Well, that's something but they're going to read that into it though oh they're gonna go of course oh so because they all rate you know they're raised in like john stewart and john oh so what you're saying is that men belong in the working and women belong in the house like bro i never said that i mean i'm just talking about an actual survey so i can just say that I could not. I could not be a mom and I don't have to pander to women. There's minuses men. All blessings to them. There's an article I read that really triggered the left.

And it like seriously did. I started writing articles about it and yelling at me. And I got a bunch of people hitting me up because it was about working women in their 30s who couldn't find men. And I'm like, maybe there is something with this Gallup poll and this other discourse that Matthew Iglesias tweeted where if you got a guy who's in his 30s who's successful and attractive, he's not going to want to find a woman who wants to work. He wants to find someone who can help him have a family. There's a lot of things you can misinterpret with opinions,

but one thing you can't misinterpret are the financial ramifications that cause people to have a home where both of the parents work. It used to be that someone would have one job and they could pay for their family, they could pay for their mortgage, they could pay for the food on the table. Now that situation is dramatically going down, especially with energy prices going up, housing prices going up, food prices going up. This is affecting us in such dramatic ways. And we have to understand behind the larger movement, especially in the early onsens of the 1900s, there was a lot of industrialists that saw that if we have more taxpayers, if we have more workers, if we have more factory people, if we have more employees to choose from, wages will

naturally go down. And that's why big time industrialists like Rockefeller were big time proponents of movements that made women go into the workforce. So there are natural incentives. Sure, I don't even want to go there. The financial incentives are something that we should be having a bigger conversation on because these are the talking points that do affect us. And we need to realize that in America, a single working family home cannot make ends meet. One person working can't happen. What's going to happen? Two people are going to have to work, and they're going to have to rely on illegal labor to raise their children.

Why? Well, there's a bunch of different jobs in this country. There's average median income. There's very few that could survive and sustain a family. On average, on medium. I'll just tell you, man, I've been blessed in life. It's hard out there, man. When I go, because I don't do a lot of the shopping at the Albertsons or whatever you

should go to Costco to buy in bulk. I went to buy Halloween candy and I was like, how is peanut M&M's $44 or whatever? It goes faster when you have kids.44 or whatever for it goes fast. When you have kids, it goes faster like diapers and everything. It's hard, man. So there are some personalities who had kids when they were extremely young and became extremely successful. I think that one of the issues you got a bunch of young men who are sitting around doing nothing.

That's why one of the reasons I think Jordan Peterson became so popular is that he was trying to give young men purpose. And I think it's one of the reasons why the far left got really mad about it. But if you've got a bunch of guys who are working, maybe, you know, let's say they're working 40 hours a week. Are they really striving? And are they providing that level of demand to a boss? Let me clarify.

Let's say you're 23 and you're working at a Best Buy or something. You're not going to go to your boss and put pressure on him and try and find more work because you're probably making more than enough. You go home, you play World of Warcraft, you play Destiny, whatever video games you're into, Minecraft or whatever, film some YouTube videos maybe, and then you're 23 and you got a three-year-old kid. You're going to go to your boss and be like, I need more money. And he's going to be like, we can't give you more money. Say, okay. Then you're going to start looking in the classifieds. Then you're going to be like, I have no choice. I have to find something bigger and better. You literally have no choice. I think that people are missing responsibility in their lives that would normally drive them to succeed and do better. I'm not saying it's absolute.

I'm not saying everybody. I'm not even saying a majority. I'm just saying I think that is a component for a lot of people, because I know it is hard out there. I know a lot of people struggle to make ends meet, but I also know that there are a lot of people. So I knew people back where I grew up on the south side of Chicago who found a way to go from being a high school dropout to making six figures because they literally had no choice. They had a kid when they were a teenager, and they started working 80 hours a week. And then every opportunity they saw, they took, they pressured

their bosses and they said, I got a kid, I got to make more money. And then by the time they were 20, they were a manager making six figures at some company. There's that. I mean, there's, so you raised a lot of, there's so much swirl, which is the idea that a lot of reason reasons that young men aren't driven is because dating is a disaster. Unless you're like a very top-tier guy. I read some statistic on how many people ever get matched on these dating apps. So the way the dating system has – it's actually kind of wild if you think about it. If you're like a top-tier guy, you can have four – they call them spin-and-plates.

You can have four or five different girls that you're dating, and they just kind of accept that that's the way it is and you have all the leverage and then if you're just like a guy who's maybe above average a little bit above average you're you're good luck dude let me let me let me tell you a story uh a story and a theory hypothesis i was talking to some like 22 year old dude um on the east coast a year or two ago and he was talking about how he never had a real relationship or anything like that and i was like man you're 22 i was like that's kind of that to me that's crazy and uh and i started i realized something when i was when i was a teenager and when i was you know partying college years and it was just like i drank way too much man it's a

drink it's party non-stop all day i didn't go to high school so i was just skateboarding playing music being drunk going and partying it was kind of wild just party nonstop all day. I didn't go to high school, so I was just skateboarding, playing music, being drunk, going and partying. It was kind of wild. But the women that I would meet, we didn't have Tinder. We didn't have any of these apps. So what would happen is the women I knew in college only knew the men they met in college. So who are the guys in college? Well, this chick's 19 years old. She knows some 19-year-old guy. He's not got anything really going for him. He lives in a dorm. He doesn't have a car.

But it's who she knows. So she dates him. Now he's 19. They, you know, become college sweethearts or whatever. Maybe they get married. Maybe they don't. There's a lot of people like that. That's what's happening.

Not anymore. The game changed. That's my theory. So I saw this guy. Then dating apps come out. Now this college woman who's 19 or 20 opens up their app, and it's not just the 19-year-old guy. This is what I said to this 22-year-old guy. I said, I'll tell you what your problem is, and this is not absolute.

I'm just saying, but I'll tell you, this is something you're really facing that I didn't face when I was younger. I was like, look, I'm in my early 30s. I'm wealthy, successful. I got a conversion RV van. I can take you to an infinity pool on a roof of this luxury casino. And when I go on these apps, how is a 19 year old college kid going to compete with that? So it's really simple. I'm not I'm not trying to impugn the honor of these young women. It's very, it's very, very simple. If there's a 20 year old woman, and she swipes right on this, like attractive 20 year old guy to college. And they're messaging.

And she's also messaging a 30-year-old guy. 30-year-old guy says, how would you like me to pick you up in my convertible and we'll drive to my house? I've got an infinity pool I just built. And the 20-year-old guy says, how would you like to come hang out at my dorm and watch movies? And she's like, man, which one sounds like more fun? There's more opportunity with the guy who's already established. Dating apps have opened that up and made it much, much harder because now young men without the status and the wealth are competing against established men.

Yes, and adding to that is the 30-year-old guy isn't just texting one 19-year-old. So he's not just taking one off the market, which would be mathematically it would all kind of suss out. He's actually taking three, four, five off the market. And he's making them all – so the weird thing is online dating has ruined it for women because a guy can just be like, hey, dude, I need N-U-D-E-S's. And if you're like, no, it's like, okay, I'm the 35-year-old guy. I'm about to fly to Paris. I'm picking out who I want to bring with me on this trip.

You're going to send them? No, see you later. Going down the list, you have not just your 19-year-old and you can't compete, but it's not just one girl's been taken off the market now. It's really like four or five are being taken off by the top dog. So you have the top of the food chain kind of guys having a monopoly, and then you have the younger guys who then just check out. I want to stress, too, more power to these women. It's their choice to be with whoever they want to be with. And I'm not saying that there's any violation of their autonomy or agency simply because they're engaged in this dating app game. I'm just saying there is a general

hypothesis I have that I think the math will pan out that young men are less likely to form bonds and relationships with women because of the competition in the market. But then my question is, what happens when those 20-year-old guys are 30-year-old guys without any dating experience? But also, most importantly, what's going to happen to those 19-year-old women that do become 30? There's this weird kind of invert axis that happens, especially around the age of 30. I mean, it's becoming later and later on, but it's's not good it's not good for men when they're young and it's not good for women when they're older so this is causing a lot of uh a lot of infighting that that is causing a lot of relationships not to happen i i gotta say too i

love like this this always really really pisses off the left but i think it was okay cupid who did the study on so they would never do that again. They deleted them. Yeah. Yeah. They deleted these studies. It showed that I forgot what their matrix were, but that women have maximum societal value at young ages and men have none. And then around 28, men start going up and it's around 22 men start going up and around 22 women. I think 22 is where like their highest point. Yeah, they peak at 22 to 25 and the man. So 25 flip at like 30. Yeah. So then a man's hitting prime time at 28 to like 36.

And then the woman on the decline. So then what happens, which was Luke says is if you're a 30 year old guy at the top of the food chain, you're going to be like, why am I going to date a 30 year old who was dating 30 years when she was 19? All through that, when I can be I'm 30 years old, I'm on top of the food chain now. What are you going to do? And then women get mad because they're like, well, I have a career, this and that. And that goes to the survey earlier. One thing that really surprises women in a way that's unpleasant for them is most men don't care what your career is. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you can say, I'm a middle-level executive at the whatever thing and if a guy's got his own thing going on he's like well that's nice i'm happy for you congratulations for your success but i don't know dude i'm trying to like

take a trip you want to like get on a plane or you got to call in sick at work or you got to get vacation time or whatever yeah that's so that's actually something i experienced i was i was in a relationship with a fairly prominent media individual. And it was just like, you're doing your thing. That's really cool. Then we're both doing our thing. And so there was no real opportunity to actually spend time together. It's like, if you've got your career and your career is the most important thing, I got to be honest, all we really did was like sleep in the same bed. Like night comes and it's like, how was your day? That's great. And then we didn't really do anything together.

There was no shared mission. Right. And it can't be that way. And like, I'm like what you said earlier is if you're like 19 years old and you get to like have fun, that's your life, man. You know, men or women can do whatever they want to do.

The question though is how mathematically that sets us out. So then you have men kind of check out and then men are kind of, I don't know, man. They're kind of lame. And then I know all these – because when you become a little bit more prominent, women will kind of start to talk to you a little bit more. And a lot of attractive women will be like, oh, man, no guys hit on me. And I'm like, look, man, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but I'm not the guy who's going to compliment you.

And then I found out, no, no, they weren't fishing for compliments. Men don't actually make a move. So I would be at places. And it like junior high you know i'm 43 it's like junior high all over again so there'll be four girls over here women or you know whatever young women over here four guys over here they're kind of like looking and the guys don't make moves anymore either they're on their app they're like can i swipe they're like i don't know make a move or whatever whereas when you were you know my you know when you were in college your age or my age you had to go make a move dude that's that's the crazy thing i was thinking about that when i was you know like 18 19 20 we every weekend we would be at some random house party and it was literally just dudes walking around hey what's

up to women and talking to them and then they'd feel it out and then they'd either leave or that was it like congratulations you met someone now you're gonna go hang out or do something now it's all like pre-screened on an app you know bumble the the woman who invented bumble becomes a billionaire where only the women can make the opening move like these apps have have um you know what i'm not gonna say this i don't know what the long-term effects of this are going to be so i'm not here to make like a harsh criticism of the dating scene or the choices of men and women just pointing out the differences that I've experienced and what I think might be affecting men and women at certain ages. Well, I mean, we see the results, and I'm happy to make a prediction.

The results are, if you're like a guy at the top of the food chain, you're King Kong again. You're in an aristocracy. You have all the cards on the table. We've returned to an aristocracy where you can live as a man a life that you couldn't have lived unless you were like royalty in a previous time i i was talking to a friend about this i was like i think like a lot of this feminist uh liberation stuff and apps have been the greatest thing for like douchey alpha guys oh for sure without question because now it's like they're they're going on apps and they're swiping around literally every woman

then they're getting then they wait for the woman message them back and they just like i love these memes where like one guy will message 50 women the same thing and go oh man that's that you all saw that oops thinking it was going to be like a blind carbon copy or something yeah so what i what i've noticed from a lot of this there's a lot of regular dudes clueless and cut out and there from a lot of this, there's a lot of regular dudes, clueless and cut out. And there's a lot of guys that are prominent, successful, wealthy, who are just owning the game. And they're doing it unabashedly because they're leaning into the sexual revolution too, which is okay. There are guys who are just like, okay, I just don't do monogamy, dude.

You know, you got a problem with that? Fine with me, whatever. This is kind of the way it's going to be. And everything is free. Nobody's being compelled to do anything. And so then the competition becomes less because more and more people check out at Craigslist, like vicious cycle. So then you do that. The winner of all this stuff are the top one, one to 10% of men are the people who won from the dating apps. And that,cupid showed that okcupid they they had all this great you could never do this now it shows how far cancel culture is they deleted one on

ugliness yep like if you're an ugly guy you're doomed and they deleted it because they were like well and they did one too where when you call somebody a douchebag those people the guy with the shirt off in front of the corvette actually gets yes hit up more by the women so if you're like so wait i remember saying that they said They said although many women will stay in their profiles, if you're not wearing your shirt, don't bother. They actually tend to respond more to men who are not wearing shirts. Right. So all the empirical data show that if you're the douchebag guy, take your shirt off, wax your car, show pictures of you by the Eiffel Tower, you're going to actually get hit up.

And if you're the respectable guy and very nice, you know, I read all the feminists lit, you're not going to get anything. But that's, of course, why they had to delete it, because the empirical data was in direct conflict with the narrative. There was one they had specifically about attractiveness. And what they found is men will message women similar to their own level of attractiveness. So it's a bell curve. But women overwhelmingly overvalue their attractiveness and only try going for the best of the best guys.

So it's something like, what is it, like 20% of the guys get 90% of the messages, right? Something like that. And it's all the top tier, best of the best, chiseled, six foot five, know models and you think about like shirts off tribalism in general you'd have a group of women and they'd all have one guy that they would use for the semen to have the children and that that's how it went and now it's like we're reverting back to that almost it's unfortunate that's what that's evolving to a new version of it yeah we're devolving and that that's where evolving or devolving i don't know well i'm kind of either i think it's a change or whatever well that's where i'm an institutionalist. So that's why I can represent John Roberts and maybe Jordan Peterson's point of view where he got in trouble with enforced monogamy because people can't have an adult conversation. and now four guys have nothing to do but blow things up or get angry, get radicalized.

The idea that if we want to live in a socially cohesive, stable culture, I want people paired up. I want people having kids at an early age. I want them thinking about the next generation. Like I said, I'm a cucky institutionalist. I like social stability and social order. And I think probably less than Jordan Peterson does, but that's where Jordan peterson got in trouble it's called enforced monogamy right and what happened was you had i think some feminist writers thought what he was saying was you would take women and force them to be with with men and what he was saying was that just social and for like yeah

like cultural like hey you should get married you should think about having a family here's how it changed when you how i'm 43 i'm probably the oldest in the room right yeah everyone okay yeah so enforced monogamy would just be when you were like my age if you cheated on your girlfriend you were like a scumbag you know even your guy friends you're not getting like high fives unless the other guy was kind of like a scumbag right you're just like jesus dude like your girlfriend's nice what are you doing that's enforced monogamy it isn't that you have to do it, but there's just a cultural norm. Well, another thing we have to understand here, people not mating, people not having partners leads to social decay, leads to crime, leads to violence, leads to radicalization,

leads to, you know, again, I saw one of the stats. I forgot the exact kind of parameters of it, but it was people who don't get laid usually tend to be blowing themselves up or attacking people or to be some of the most crazy people in the world. stats i forgot the exact kind of parameters of it but it was people who don't get laid usually tend to be blowing themselves up or attacking people or to be some of the most crazy i mean that's that's an that's a problem man no one no one deserves to get laid like no no woman owes any guy anything like that so i don't know how you solve for that i'm assuming the data is probably true i've heard similar things but i don't know what he's what he's supposed to do in that regard well nothing as a society i mean that's the whole point is that you're you're not saying that it you should

change it or that you can change it it is what it is to quote you know the novel trump which got him all in trouble is i think it's a bad situation societally but what am i going to do it is what it is but also let's let's make the point here that a lot of institutional establishment mainstream media hollywood powers promote this larger message of promiscuity, of not having partners, of not having families. There was even advertisements by the NIH in the United Kingdom telling people, do you want to have your video games or do you want to have a baby? Do you want to have your high heels or do you want to have a baby as if having a baby is something bad and taking away from you having fun playing video games? Are you wearing high heels or doing whatever you want to do with your life? It's almost like they just want you to be a kid.

They don't want you to grow up. Did you post that meme earlier, the high heels and lipstick? Okay. Because I saw that. And the weird thing just as a married guy is actually sex gets better when you're with a person longer because you know what boundaries are. And things aren't going to go too far. and everybody kind of knows what's going on. So I saw that and I was like, actually, these women don't know that in a committed relationship, they're going to have more intimacy. They're actually going to have a better time.

So the idea that you're going to have a kid and you're never going to wear lipstick and lingerie and high heels is probably the opposite. You're more likely to do that for a guy you're with. I grew up with TV telling me marriage was bad and having a family was awful. I mean, you know what show I really could never – I hated was Married with Children. Yes. Yes. And the reason I hated it was not because he – it was because he was a loser. It was because he always lost.

The only episode I remember where Al Bundy actually won was when he punched a guy in the face and then they joked that he sued him and won for hurting his fist on his face and it was because like the show was making a point the system was broken but like i watched the show you know when it would come on i was i was young and he was always just miserable he hated his kids he hated his wife they hated everything and i was like what is this is awful we weren't allowed to watch it well my parents wouldn't let us watch it. Well, look at the way a family is characterized in mainstream media, television, and sitcoms, and movies. Look at the way that the father is portrayed. Look at his characters.

Look at what he stands for. Look at how he acts. He's a dumb, dopey, fat dope that doesn't give a damn about anything and is absolutely miserable. So seeing that representation plays on the subconscious of so many young Americans, of so many young children, and it's the complete utter opposite of what's happening in China. China, huge population crisis because of their one-child policy. They're literally building databases of fertile women inside of Beijing with millions of people.

Yes, China is building databases of how fertile women are in Beijing. And we only know about that because that was leaked. There's other stuff that they're doing. I mean, they're creating machines that suck out your life, the male energy. Family-friendly show here. I'm trying to watch my word here. But you saw, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but the Chinese machines. Reproductive matter.

Yes, yes. They're literally building machines that suck out your reproductive matter. They're trying to make males more masculine. They're not allowing immigration. They're a very nationalistic country. Lydia looks scared there. I'm horrified. But that's happening.

That's the reality of the world that we're facing. If you compare what China's doing to what the West is doing, it's a completely different approach. And one of them is going to be successful. Another one is not. We got to go to super chats because we went a little long, but it's OK. Make sure you go to Timcast.com. Become a member if you haven't already, because we've got a ton of we got three full bonus episodes up just in the past week or so.

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who know nothing about Proud Boys. Is that true? Did you guys hear that? I didn't see that. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. I look it up. Eric Gresham says,

look into China's 100-year plan, world domination type stuff. Yes, I was actually working on a story. When I was at Vice, we talked about this quite a bit. Never really came to fruition, though. Chris Clark says, there was a vault surrounded by a town.

A bunch of waiters snuck into the vault and said they were smart enough to be the overseer, took it over, and took all the weapons. They control the vault now, and the town, the vault, was Facebook? Is that a Fallout reference? I'm not entirely sure. Payne Cabal says,

Welcome to the not-playing Magic Club, Tim. I figured MTG was pay-to-win after two games the week it came out. Yep, yep, yep. Rag on Magic the Gathering again. Martin Edgar says, Tim, can you clarify if Crowder made reference to the votes from the fictitious votes were for a specific party or candidate? I don't believe so.

Because so here's how it works. Crowder did this and Voter Integrity Project did this. You can get access to publicly available voter information, people who voted. You cannot see who they voted for. So what happens is they pull up this information, get a list of addresses, and then my understanding, I could be wrong, I think Crowder loaded up these addresses into a database checking whether or not you can deliver packages to them and found a bunch that said you can't deliver packages to them. Then went and investigated and found a bunch of parking lots.

And, you know, there you go. Then he tweeted about it and he got temporarily suspended. You know, we'll see. William Martin says, hey, Tim, are you going to upload the podcast from last Friday in full to YouTube? I missed that one. It won't be on YouTube because we can't re-upload like because it was live. So they go live and they get published.

The clips are up, but we will have it on Timcast.com in a free area that I think we have ready to go. Hopefully, I just got to get it figured out. We do have, the website's getting totally redone. We're just getting started. It's only been about a month, so thank you, everybody who signed up. Mark Scog says, thanks for having Mike on. He's a good guy. Mark puts up barrier from the haters. But seriously, Dr. Shiva won a case against Massachusetts and got them restrained from colluding with Twitter. Did you hear about that? No, I haven't heard about that.

Yeah, I don't know a lot about that. Matthew Locher says, Crowder caught a very damning soundbite of Biden yesterday and shows actual proof of fraud today. It's not actual proof. Crowder even said that. He said it was evidence of fake voter addresses. Well, actually, I could be wrong. Maybe he did say fraud. I don't think so. I think he was very, very specific and precise for a reason. When you're trying to prove something definitively, you have to make sure you're choosing the right words,

which is why I don't even think I'm pretty sure Matt Brainerd has never said fraud either. He said potentially illegal ballots that's a very important distinction because you want the courts to take it and like you were saying about legitimacy if you come in and say these wild conspiracies they're going to throw you out back i don't want to do i don't want to be involved in this if you're very well it's just potential maybe you could take a look they might come out and say oh i agree you know all right let's see arcadian twilight says mike what is your opinion of ricketta law i'm not sure what that is uh i think he's referring to the youtuber oh i don't know

well there you go simple answer let's see let's uh move a little bit uh tony boy says what good is a referee if the opposing side and the opposing fans ignore the ruling? SCOTUS needs to enforce the rulings and laws that have been passed. I think you mentioned they have no ability to enforce anything. Exactly, exactly. Right. So who is supposed to enforce this? Well, technically, court order is enforceable by U.S. Marshals.

It would be enforceable as civil contempt, which would get federal forces. So the executive branch of the government would be the enforcement mechanism, which requires a soft power. Neither power of person or sword is the way they put it. Philip Kedick says, Tim, they aren't cages anymore. They're shelters. That's right. Sort of jump. Jump. Hey, says Tim.

Check out the Orville's majority rule episode the crew discovers a planet where society is governed by up and down votes after enough down votes you get a brain wipe scary look at our future yeah i saw that one that's what i love about the orville you guys have you have you seen it seth mcfarland's show is that they're they're carrying on a bit of what the next generation did from star trek philosophically it's it's almost like black mirror in a sense where they find these different worlds right and they kind of ask the question of like what would the society be like if we did these kinds of things so it's you know it's interesting stuff good fun good show good for the family big e says the left gets mad when you separate children from

strangers they don't know what a surprise you know lanius shrike says if fauci just said spend spend more time in the sun everyone would benefit he did say that dr fauci did tell everybody to get more sunlight vitamin d is because it's a it's good for you and you need it so uh gotta be fair gotta be fair gizmo 79 says we have universal health care if an adult or child breaks their arm or has dehydration from the flu they can go to the er and they cannot be refused care but they can be bankrupt man come on bro yeah they get bankrupted and then they garnish your wages you get your credit destroyed you can't rent you can't buy property you know what's really crazy about the system you could be paying two grand a month in new york for rent and a bank

will tell you yeah but we're not going to give you a thousand dollar a month mortgage because we don't think you you know right you have the credit credit worthy yeah like we don't trust you it's like dude i gotta pay rent either way and i'm paying twice as much let me buy the house i think that's dumb all right tp says uh good good initials by the way hey i know this is super off topic but i was wondering if you know about or could raise awareness of bill c21 in canada gun owners losing their rights if this bill passes i don't know a lot about does. Does anybody know about that one? No? Everyone's shaking their head. Sorry, guys. I guess we're not the Oracle tonight

like we usually are. Rogue says, Tim just lightly disparaged anime cat girls, and I took that personally. JK. Wasn't it like Elon Musk posting anime cat girls or something? Yeah, weirdo. Matt L says, Antifa at least does something for their side. That's true. That's true. So you have Antifa at least does something for their side.

That's true. Yep. That's true. So you have Antifa on the left actually going out, throwing temper tantrums, making demands, and they're getting what they want, right? Kind of. I think I still maybe I'm delusional, but I think they've done way more harm than good. Oh, totally. Yeah, I think they've allowed the more everything now looks bad now because it's tied to Antifa. So I think they've done a lot more harm than good.

Yeah. Nick Sweeney says, what happened to the, I am a gorilla. Love yourself shirt. I was holding out for that one. Also, if you guys ever do a pop culture night,

you should have on the guys from clown. You should have the guys on from clownfish TV. Um, I mean, we've had, uh, Jeremy from the quartering, so we'll have him

around he's cool dude the i'm a girl love yourself shirt is just in the works i guess we have like one graphic designer who you know works on merch for the show and then i had to do the hour pillow so like we we have a a silly version from teespring where it's the revolution fist holding a pillow and the my is crossed out so it says our not my but we actually do have just over there behind the end we've got the uh the official uh our pillow oh you can see it there it is look at that there it is that's the burlap sack full of packing peanuts and we used paper clips to keep it shut fancy and uh I I am not joking I fully intend to buy a commercial on Fox News and there has been movements there have been movements made in that direction i have uh i have um contacted

the appropriate agencies they said so long as it's a real commercial they don't care if i want to spend the money then it's fine and we're working on putting the commercial together i think it'll be a whole lot of fun and i think it'll be uh good for everybody good for everybody matt l says what's luke's thought on bobby fisher and his calls i'm not aware of that situation but let me know of that situation by tweeting at me i'll be facing the chess player that's who i thought yeah i don't know what's up with these super jets they're very descriptive yes i love it k-box says tim is right i watch my favorite youtube channels on my tv i usually don't need

to chime in and i don't want to engage with the haters in chat yeah yep that's uh that's the gist of it i think a lot of people you know i noticed i noticed that too as i my engagement got really low and then i when i released hoaxed a year ago i was like oh man i wonder if the film's gonna flop and it actually did way better than i even thought my projections were so it's like not even a silent majority anymore it's like a silent 99 of people who just like your stuff and support it when it matters and don't say anything good or bad yeah track media only says time claimed a conspiracy occurred how many other things faked to help win does it does it take to show uh another or part of the same so much fear of a word that when one could be true it is dismissed they win by that fear

proof of proof all the time. You know, can I answer that real quick, which is the if you go back to the the JFK election with Richard Nixon, none of the stuff this is, again, that that's a first time voter right there. Who doesn't realize if you've read history, if you looked at Bush versus Gore, this is always going to happen. It's just shenanigans. But the idea that it's R-I-g-g-e-d puts too much weight on it you have two people on either side there's going to be shenanigans everywhere you look at and and that's the elections every election even bill barr said there was fraud just not that they've seen that could have any serious impact but it's true i mean it was it was paxton was in texas i think that

woman got arrested and charged then there was even a video that was put out by i think some some progressives where it was a woman who claimed to have voted for Trump twice. So yeah, you, you always, you always have people be, you know,

ballot harvesting was, and that's what frustrates me, I guess, is that, is that, uh, somebody kind of plugged into how it really works is ballot harvesting was the,

was what did it, but ballot harvesting, uh, you know, the, the James O'Keefe videos, for example, ballot harvesting was being way overdone, but they were still actually real ballots now it now was it a a nurse filling

out the ballots of alzheimer's patients i would like to know but guess what we can't know because everybody's so fixated on that one word and you have to have that one word is the grand meta narrative for what happened whereas instead you could say like, well, I don't know that this happened. Let's look into that. Well, people, people were easily distracted by the sensational. And that's what my problem was. I was like, dude, stop talking about the fringe weirdo stuff and just talk about the Supreme Court case on the legitimacy of, you know, or the, the, the, the electors clause that

that's, that's your key right there, the electors clause. But instead what happens is there, you know, people scream the most crazy conspiracy about server attacks and shootouts. And people prefer the the you know, the crazy, shocking conspiracy narrative because it's fun. I guess life is boring. I think you might have a stink bug on your microphone stand. No, not on you. Not on you. On the stand.

Just so you know, it's fine. OK, in case Chastar is going crazy about it. I thought it had a Mike Pence moment. There was a fly. Brown Bear says, Tim, referencing me saying it is a standalone complex, and Time Magazine saying it is not a standalone complex. This is the funny thing. So I have an update on that Pointer Institute calling me out or lying about me. So for those that aren't familiaroynter Institute essentially runs the organization

that determines who is allowed to be a fact checker on Facebook. They created a post where they said Twitter's fact checking system has got problems. Why? Because Tim Pool made a post which said the election was rigged. That's actually not true. The post literally says Time Magazine claimed the election, a cabal of elites rigged the election. I'm sorry. They didn't say it was rigged as it was fortified. Quite literally, the post says it wasn't rigged. Well, they claimed the post of the opposite, which is just factually not correct. Then they complained that Twitter's users noted correctly on my post. It was not misleading because I was just being snarky and referencing a Time Magazine article. So another outlet recently did a update, made a correction, and I'm eternally grateful for the correction. It was the right thing to do. And it flipped the article, which now

they wrote the same thing Pointer did. But with this correction, it inverted the narrative. Now they're writing about how Pointer misframed my tweet, which was accurate and their post was wrong. And so it's weirdly criticizing birdwatch while recognizing they were correct and it worked. The funny thing is I sent this to another journalist at one of these prominent fact checking organizations. Here's the update. And there's a funny bit of a realization in this. If I message one of these prominent journalists and say, hey, here's my tweet, that's not true, they'll say, screw off. But when I showed him a screenshot that said,

correction, Tim's actual tweet referenced Time Magazine, he did not say this himself. They went, oh. You see how that works? Simply having it in text from someone, from other journalists, they'll blindly believe it without facts. Okay, but I'll teach you the life hack. So the life hack is they know that their Twitter DMs aren't discoverable in a lawsuit. So what I do is I always find out who their lawyers were on their pre, I go, I go way out of my way to do this stuff. So you want to paper trail them. So anytime they do that, rather than message the reporter, message general counsel of the media holding company that owns it, include the lawyer and the CC, then include the editor-in-chief,

because then what will happen is if something like Covington happens and people sue, that's why CNN settled the lawsuit. They'll go and be like, oh, look, you did this to everybody. You've done it a hundred times. So I don't even bother with Twitter DMs.

I go right to HR. I go right to the general counsel. Oh, no, I didn't DM anybody. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The DM was to a journalist as, I wasn't asking the journalist for a correction

i was like hey and update it for the record the correction i got because i literally sent an email in much the way you described right okay gotcha i was very polite and i said you know i appreciate your time i humbly request that you simply make the correction thank you very much when you respect when you're using snark in like tweets how does it work because if i was like luke rudkowski murdered some murdered random person i'll pick a person and i'll say it oh no he didn't actually murder him he just said he didn't like him right like would i be liable for saying that luke murdered someone okay so quick so their quick uh defamation law of that would be is they look at two things in addition to tone they look at the forum so it's almost impossible to defame someone on twitter it has

to be like really specific and it can't just be colorful language it would have to be something like ruth uh it'd have to be something like luke's friend told me that he tried to stab his friend and that gives it a certain like an issue of credibility but that's why when the elon musk remember he called that guy pedo guy yeah people were surprised that that even went to trial because it's like i mean he's on twitter and he called someone a pedo. That's kind of like what happens on Twitter. So, but the forum changes, but if it's in the New York times, then that's considered a more serious forum and they have to be more careful. But, but, but as a general rule, you never want a statement of fact versus opinion. So I, you know, you're, you're a terrible person is like

a moral judgment. But if you accuse someone of a very specific crime with enough detail that has an indic so like uh mike cernovich you once went to an ice cream shop and he dropped his vanilla ice cream on the floor and a little kid slipped and fell and busted his skull open what they'll do is mike cernovich comma who once took actions which resulted in busting open a child's skull comma was seen at the park today and that's the truth it's a statement of fact and they're allowed to say it yeah that's that's that's why they also play the association game so so and so comma who's associated with comma who's associated with white nationalism or whatever you want to insert that's what they do so it's a very dirty game i call it like the parenthetical of death but that's also too why the media's lost its soft power i was talking to will about this i think i was talking about what

it was will i was talking about this so i'll your opinion. If someone defames you and it's an overt false statement of fact they won't correct, what if you just go under oath. Because I've had people – because fortunately I've never defamed anyone. Because the things they say that I've defamed people on, like the P-I-G-A-T-E thing, I'm like, well, why was I never issued a retraction? Because I've actually been defamed in terms of how they describe my role in a certain thing that happened on the internet. And I won't say the words to get you flagged or whatever. But that's the idea the idea is if somebody says ten pool is blank you could just say well you know what i don't know if i can sue you for this but i'll just say something about you now you go ahead and sue me tough guy and let's all go under oath and then i'll get all your documents and i'm glad to go under oath with you yeah so i was talking about this because the thing is when it

comes to discovery there's a certain chain of communications that will be allowed if someone defames you through the pro through an editorial process there's a lot of discovery there but if you just come out with no editorial process and make your statement you know on your end you've got nothing to lose in a discovery whereas they might actually have something more serious yeah i've had people you know threaten me all the time that's one reason i live in california has what's called the anti-slap law which is if if they sue you and you win, they have to pay your legal fees where in other states they don't have to. Because I'm like, look, man, I say what I believe. And if I believe – because you've – I think one time, the first time we talked with Berkeley, you had been like, oh, yeah, you said this thing about Black Lives Matter. And it was like actually not true.

And then I told you it wasn't true. And you're like, OK, am I bad? And I corrected it. Because what I say I believe to be true and if you tell me no actually it's not true and here's why it's not true then of course i'm going to delete it and like change it yeah that's probably why in a way that the media is so like jarring to me because if you're just like a human being i've even deleted things that were true that were harming a person's like google results i i tweeted about aoc's timeline when she was lying about what happened at the capitol and she lied yep she did and i had a huffpost journalist

uh dm me saying you're wrong you're spreading misinformation and so i looked into it and was like i better take this down you know because like that's you know i i think he's right and after doing a deep investigation i followed up saying here's the real facts. And he was like, oh, oh, yeah, I was wrong. Long story short, AOC claimed that she thought they got in a full hour before anyone had actually stormed any part of any building. So you had a bunch of Trump supporters outside yelling rabble. And then she was claiming that they broke into like that made no sense. Her timeline was way off. But I digress. I try not. Well, but if we're're digressing i try not to talk about her too much but did you see the fact check where people were quoting her saying that protest isn't supposed to be comfortable and you're supposed and then she tried to get a fact checker to say well aoc actually never said that even though she said it yeah yeah and some of the fact checkers that go along with

that well oh well she meant something completely different let's uh let's read this here this big old super chat from jMac. He says, I work from home and have been the primary stay-at-home parent since I left the military. Parenting is all about teamwork, and parents should figure out what works for them. It also helps to have a good scale of masculine and feminine traits for your kids to pick up on,

even in gay couples. Interesting. Occupot says, Luke, you mentioned emotional manipulation via media repetition conditioning. So true. Much of this past year has been direct foreign media influence, namely China. Let's not forget how this all started this time last year. It's also pretty scary the influence that China has on not just entertainment, but the news business and how many news executives are afraid to even, you know, voice their concerns about anything China's doing. Well, it's concentration media ownership.

That's what's funny is how the right and the left have switched, where everybody – it was like a left-wing talking point, at least when I was in college, you'd buy like ad busters. And the idea was that six media conglomerates ordered everything. And so if you're NBC News, are you going to say anything that's going to put NBC Universal into peril with China? Are you going to say anything that's going to put NBC Universal into peril with China? Are you going to disrupt the next Disneyland if you're downstream of ABC? And the answer is like, of course not.

But we're all supposed to pretend. So that's where the influence, too, arises. All right. We got Stankly Balls says, Tim, honestly, how are the Appalachian Mountains? How would you compare it to the Rockies besides prices and hype? It's funny how due to COVID, the new economic powerhouses are in florida and texas and new york and car broke florida texas and new york and car broke uh the appalachian mountains are green and beautiful well not right now it's mostly white with snow yeah the rockies are just rocks yep it's rocks it's not fun i've

driven through them many times uh i mean it's beautiful to look at rocks you know used to go to go to the rockies you, look at all that stuff. It's fun. But when you're on the East Coast, a lot of rain, a lot of trees, a lot of animals. Ticks. Yeah. Yeah, and if you get up north, you get black flies, I guess. Is that what they're called?

I was looking at Maine, and people are like, don't do it because you'll get bit in the summer. It's really awful. Yeah, because you want to be by the water, and it's idyllic, and then you realize you're getting attacked by it you're getting attacked by other forms of life casey finnegan says the canadian government had a vote on whether to designate the ccp as committing genocide against the uyghurs justin trudeau and his whole cabinet abstain from voting what is that true it's true but i don't know if i don't know if there's a reason that they had to abstain though because it was i think it was a unanimous vote so that i think that's something like a parliamentary procedure that i have to look into before i had an opinion yeah yeah trudeau's

comments on china are very eye-opening mary kitchen says 12 years army ranger vet here started watching you roughly five months ago seen you on rogan well done just wanted to say much respect to you greatly appreciate it really appreciate it. Thank you. Gizmo79 says, very rarely does a hospital turn ER bills to creditors. Most are written off of their taxes. Interesting.

I have heard that. They sell it to debt collectors on pennies on the dollar. Yeah. And then the debt collectors go after people and then maybe the debt collectors because you're only buying it

pennies on the dollar let people go. But there's absolutely medical bankruptcies yeah a lot of this happens one of the leading causes of bankruptcy is medical bankruptcy come on people come at me with the facts yeah man that's you know i was thinking about how do you remember when occupy wall street uh did that thing where they bought up all that medical debt yep that was cool and now it's very simple they just said give us some donations and then it's like for every dollar it's like a hundred dollars of debt wiped clean like i like that idea i don't know if it's a long-term solution but at least it can provide

some relief to some people who are suffering you know yeah and it's a better way using money than you know anything else so yeah that's where i would look at practical solutions because the only reason that i would be quote-unquote against universal health care is because you still have the principal agency issue where i don't believe you can justly order a doctor to perform services at certain wages and who pays for it. So the weeds are complicated. The one thing we have to bring up is like are we going to be paying for people who are unhealthy, who are eating poorly, not exercising, laying around, getting sick, and then it's going to be a burden for literally everybody. It's a challenge because we don't want people to die but people gotta have some responsibilities you know yeah they're kids i mean there's a lot like my solution would be kind of like i call it cancer and kids

so like if you have a sick kid man i don't care if you're like a bad parent the kid it's not the kid's fault and then if you have some kind of unforeseen cancer or something like that then you know there'd obviously be gradations but But if you eat yourself into a diabetic coma, I don't know, man, we're a different situation. All right. So WP says, Mike, I listened to Guerrilla Mindset on a solo road trip in 2019. It was eye-opening. I was able to get my hands on Danger and Play. What's the true story?

Was it really banned? I didn't find it offensive. No, the book wasn't banned. The books have a certain life cycle to them and you know when a book stops selling i just usually pull it because then you can re-release it and there's more hype behind it so yeah yeah so the way because i almost pulled gorilla mindset but then it got enrolled in this like kindle great on kindle program so i didn't so just from a marketing perspective is like gorilla mindset lived out his life cycle and it did like really well and if

i pull it for like a year or two and then i re-release it it's going to do way more in a month than it would have done in two years yeah and then some so you always want to pull things and re-release it even though they're digital goods and that's counterintuitive palani casey says i'm a full-time full-time er nurse with a family of four and i'm the sole financial provider i did nursing school as a single mom. I want to be a homemaker. Feminism made me believe homemaking was less. Say no to toxic masculinity.

Wait, what was that again? They didn't? She likes being a homemaker? She wants to be a homemaker, but feminism made her believe homemaking was less. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, like I said, I deal with that just in my own personal where Shauna's like, was insecure about being a stay at home mom. So I call myself a stay at home dad, actually. So if you watch my streams, I'm like, Oh, yeah, I'm just a stay at home dad to try to get away from that stigma. I we were talking about this months and months ago,

and I referenced Family Guy, because there's an episode about this where Lois Griffin, you know, encounters some businesswoman who looks down on her because she's a homemaker. I use pop culture references because surprise, surprise. How many people watch Family Guy and watch his movies and understand what these references are and find it relatable? But this is what the left loves to do. They like to use that as some sort of like they have this like pseudo intellectual or academic nature to the way they communicate as if it's like better than you. And by all means, go for it. I look at how Trump was able to pull off one of the greatest media manipulations I've ever seen, ordering that, you know, dry aged steak with ketchup. Well done. And then the media mocked and insulted him. And it was like telling middle America,

like they were mocking and insulting you as well. So I'm like, listen, I'm here to talk to regular people who watch regular tv shows who are like yeah oh i get that i've seen that if you want to come out and act high and mighty and academic like you're smarter than everybody you just isolate yourself so by all means go ahead and do it yeah i just don't watch anything so but luckily i watched a lot of tv when i was younger so i get the family guy references the married with children kind of stuff. Oh, Married with Children was the worst. You know what I really hated was Ed, Edd n Eddy. You guys ever see that show? Mm-mm. It's a kid, it was a cartoon on Cartoon Network, I remember when I was a kid. I was like,

it's a show about three kids who are losers, just absolute losers, who always fail and everyone hates them. And I was like, what an awful show. Just like, what's with these miserable cartoons where people are just losers? Yeah, and again, that's the programming. That's why my views on representation minorities would probably be shocking to people because there's more left wing, which representation does matter.

But it works like both ways, too. You shouldn't represent men as schlubby guys get henpecked by a wife because that's sending a bad message about family, too. So, yeah, but representation does matter. At least be of some butthead. We're content. We have a very important message from dingus malingus says hi tim i'm about your age and when i was in high school the messaging was that having a baby would ruin your life in order to prevent teen pregnancies maybe that sentiment carried into adulthood i think it absolutely did good point it didn't net maybe it to me i didn't have my first kid was 38 and i'm like man i should have started earlier man why did i take because i i really thought like you have a kid it ruins

your life like why would i give up my freedom because that's the idea is you're giving up your freedom but you're getting love and you're giving love and you're opening up your heart and your reality is something different but yeah i fell for that sign you're gaining purpose i'll tell you this you know it's gonna be it's crazy is, what, like 50 years when you've got a bunch of these millennials who are getting older, developing dementia and other cognitive decline, and they've got nobody. What are you going to do? of these uh you know single millennials to just hang out with their buddies but when you are all entering the you know the the downward you know the back end of the bell curve for your for your life you need someone to take care of you i mean i think about this a lot because i don't have kids i'm 41 i don't really want kids or plan on it and i think like socrates didn't have kids but he had

the tribe and they supported him and he had like friends and like even the young he had the kids of the greco kids would follow him around the 12 year olds and he would tell them the truth listen and so they're all gonna like maybe all like that all of these 80 year old millennials will vote for government assistance that's well you'll you'll you'll you'll have good home care um you know you'll have enough money money saved up by then that you have good and who knows you might be fit that's the thing that's you know, talking about the gender stuff earlier, that's where the game is rigged in favor of men. If you're 50 and you're like, all right, I'm

going to marry a 30-year-old and I'm going to have three kids. Or an 18-year-old. Yeah, seriously. I try to keep it a little family-friendly. It's totally legal and socially acceptable for a 58-year-old to marry an 18-year-old. It's not socially acceptable. If you've got money, it is. No, it isn't.

There's still a stigma. It's kind of crazy, but it is. There's memes every single day mocking Leonardo DiCaprio for constantly dating the same woman and dumping him at the same age. It's not socially acceptable. I'm not judgy-judgy. I'm just saying I'm not judgy-judgy. I'm just saying that if you're 50, I doubt you're going to want to have children with an 18-year-old.

I think you would lose your mind. Yeah, I don't. I have no interest in dating 18-year-olds. This was actually part of OkCupid's data. They found that – I'm not going to get into the really creepy findings they published because it was nightmarishly disgusting. But what they said was that when it comes to any man of any age, the reason why they choose 22 is not because it's the ideal age. It's the ideal combination of maturity and youthful vigor. So it's actually a pretty disgusting study

that OKCupid put out because the age actually goes a bit further down. A little too low. Yeah, creepy. But when they would ask a guy, would you date an 18-year-old? They'd be like, oh, no way. There's a big difference

between an 18-year-old and a 22-year 22 year old definitely just the human brain changes so much i mean you're totally mature to 23 they say is when you're like your body's fully mature well and women mature a little bit quicker than men too so a 22 year old woman on average is going to be or girl whatever you call them it's going to be more mature than like a 20 year old guy for sure too so 25 year like yeah but if you're um yeah if you're 50 and 80 even 10 years which is the gap between me and shauna's about about as much as i could do yeah well with that being said i think uh we will have you all smash that like button go to timcast.com because in about an hour or so we'll have the the bigger segment on probably one of the most important and pressing issues that has happened in the past couple of years i don't want to get too much into it because youtube is insane but

cernovich was uh one of the legal uh parties to blowing the lid on the whole epstein case and that's correct right like that's yeah yeah the law degree came in handy you know a lot of a lot of things that that you know like i could explain the institutional mindset of john roberts well the epstein thing yeah, we'll talk about that. We're going to get into all this in a bonus segment where we're going to get pretty serious and probably a lot of like, you know, a family unfriendly things to say. So go to TimCast.com, become a member. That should be up hopefully in about an hour or so. Make sure you smash that like button.

You can follow me on all social media at TimCast. You can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m., so make sure you like, share, subscribe. Tell all your friends about it. Mike, is there anything you wanted to mention? Well, you know, by Gorilla Mindset, it's actually a great mindset book, and I'm going to have to pull it as some kind of marketing gimmick and re-release it, you know? Yeah, and they have a gorilla here.

This is very important. It's a great-looking gorilla. And we should bundle the I Am a gorilla t-shirt i'm well no but if you look at the magazine we're proud of the book cover shauna designed it so you're actually supporting stay-at-home moms you're supporting women it's a very feminist thing it's just a win all around there you go you're a great marketer i'm also tweeting up a storm on luke we are change and i'm pretty close to getting 700,000 YouTube subscribers. So go to YouTube.com forward slash We Are Change if you're not subscribed yet.

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