Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #237 - The "Fourth Turning" Predicts Societal Collapse Then "New World Order" w/ Ben Stewart

Episode Date: March 5, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia invite documentarian and musician Ben Joseph Stewart for some slightly less news-oriented conversation about 'The Fourth Turning,' a seemingly-prophetic book about what will happen to society, Bitcoin, and psychedelics. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We were told today there was supposed to be some militia that was going to storm into D.C. and that they needed 5000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol because these militia conspiracy individuals believe that March 4th was the true inauguration day. Apparently, they believe that the United States is a corporation and that this corporation started with the 20th Amendment. And it's just it's nonsensical. However, there has been a lot of talk about something called Strauss-Howe generational theory and talk that we're entering the fourth turning, which basically predicts societal collapse, followed by, at least according to Business Insider, a new world order, whatever that means. So we're going to riff on this stuff.

Obviously, there was no militia storming Ding dc but yet they're still saying we need national guard to remain for two more months something weird is happening and i think it's safe to say we are definitely in some kind of crisis period which may be i think it's this would be the fourth turning i guess yeah that would be the winter period the winter period we'll talk about that but we are joined today by i guess a filmmaker and you've done a ton of research into, say, DMT, Ben Stewart. Yeah, Ben Joseph Stewart, benjosephstewart.com. Filmmaker, started off as a musician that didn't do so well, so I decided to do the more difficult, do some DMT and start making films, and here I am. I just sneezed and showed up here. I got lost and I figured, oh, wow.

Some guy like pulled up in my parking lot and we were like, you know, Ian walked out and said, hey, you ever tried DMT? And he was like, actually. And we're like, come on in. Got it. I'm actually in the fifth dimension right now. Yeah, it's totally hot. Let's talk about the fourth turning.

I will say I saw your band Hyrosonic play and it was incredible. So don't give up. That was back in the day. Yeah, that was hot. Yeah. Really, really good. Maybe you didn't have the right marketing at the time,

but I'd like to see you play again. It was interesting, man. That was 11 years we were together, and we started, like a year after we started, we were on Lollapalooza. Wow.

It was Jane's Addiction, Audioslave, A Perfect Circle. Sounds like you were actually pretty successful with that. Yeah. By the bands that we played with, you would imagine, and then you'd look at our bank account and be like,

oh, you poor thing, your garage band. We were touring nonstop, and we did some really excellent shows, but it was just a strange time. And in the middle of it, I started deciding to make films because people really liked the lyrics, and they were like, what's the message about? I started deciding to make films because people really liked the lyrics. And they were like, what's the message about? I was going to make a 15 minute film about the message of the band. And it turned into a two hour documentary that had nothing to do with the band. It was called Esoteric Agenda. I just put it up online for free. And people then asked

for more. So I began doing that. And then eventually, what kind of turned it into a career was Gaia.com. They hand selected me to they brought me into do a whole series on psychedelics. So all this crazy DMT stuff. Now, we're going to talk about it all does kind of come together, I guess, you know, we normally like to do like, here's some big news of the day, here's some cultural issue. But I think, you know, we're gonna have like a bigger picture conversation about where this might all be going generational theory but then there's also the the this is really interesting stuff the the studies into dmt the extended state dmt stuff where they're putting people on you mentioned this earlier putting people on dmt trips so we'll get into all that stuff but we're definitely gonna talk about like the political space and where we're all headed uh don't forget we also got sorry let's present all the buttons i'm here in the

corner pushing all the buttons. I'm stoked for this conversation. So we'll see how this goes. Yeah, this should get weird and trippy. Yes. We'll do more of these episodes. But before we do, head over to TimCast.com and become a member because we got a ton of members only exclusive episodes and segments.

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You may have heard that right side broadcasting network. They got suspended for simply filming Donald Trump speaking while the speech had fake news. They said false information. So they straight up. I think the suspension is two weeks. They are taking out news organizations. RSBN did not put on an opinion. So things are getting absolutely crazy. I mean, it was a wild and crazy day for censorship today. A lot of people think that Dr. Seuss stuff is silly, but they're now eBay's banning people from even people think that Dr. Seuss stuff is silly, but they're now, eBay's banning people from even selling

their existing Dr. Seuss books. So we are definitely in some kind of crisis. But yeah, like if you own a Dr. Seuss book and you're like, I'm going to sell it to Ian and put it up on eBay and Ian wants to buy it, they're saying, no, it's hate speech. It's offensive. You can't have it. They're going to drive the price of those way up. They're already up like 20 grand. It's crazy. So now you got to go like

hunt people down and try and get one. Like find them and like go on, yeah, black market quests. But this is a really good example of how insane everything is getting. And so definitely go to TimCast.com, become a member. Let me start by showing you this article and I do this with these articles specifically because

I want to make sure everybody realizes we're not just pulling these things, you know, out of thin air. These are conversations that actually happen. These are articles that actually exist and these are ideas that we're not just pulling these things, you know, out of thin air. These are conversations that actually happen. These are articles that actually exist. And these are ideas that we did not come up with. Business Insider says a book published nearly 25 years ago predicted America would hit a great crisis climaxing around 2020. And that up next is a millennial versus boomer standoff that will usher in a new world order.

They say America sees a turning every 20 years as one generation displaces another. And the dynamic between one particular generation entering elderhood and another entering young adulthood creates a crisis every 80 years, according to a theory prophesied in Neil Howe and William Strauss's The Fourth Turning. The authors wrote the next crisis era would start around 2005 and climax around 2020 and would involve millennials and boomers fighting over the shape of the world to come. There are some similarities between recent events and the book's predictions. The 2008 financial crisis can be seen as the catalyst they mentioned. And in 2020, in an early 2021, unrest has shaken the economy, politics, the economy twice, and the economy.

Okay. It's unclear whether the fourth turning is how and Strauss characterized it is really happening right now. But the parallels are certainly eye-catching. There's also some other, there's other theories. There's also Thucydides' trap, which suggests that whenever an economic power is about to displace the principal superpower, war breaks out. In the past 16 major instances, 12 times there has been very serious war. Many fear that we are now entering this period with China. I guess the bigger question is, if these academics

predicted this was going to be the fourth turning, and we are going to enter in some catastrophic period, if people can see Thucydides trap are there efforts to prevent it and before we open go into like the bigger discussion i'll just point out uh they say that the last 80 year period start and i guess it started just after world war ii right actually why don't you explain like what this means well the whole thing you know so the fourth turning is the fourth season that's the winter crisis and you, so they call it a saeculum, which means a long life. This goes actually all the way back to the Etruscans prior to the Romans. But it starts, let's just say it starts in the spring with a high, and then it goes into an awakening, which would be the summer.

And then the fall is called the unraveling. And then the winter is the crisis period, and it keeps turning. I heard a really good guy actually interviewing Neil Howe, I think it was, and he said, like, you know, if history doesn't repeat, it surely rhymes, because every single time these crisis periods come back around, they're not exactly the same, but they resemble each other, and there's core tenets to them that resemble one another. And yeah, they surely said, like the book came out in 97. They said somewhere around 2005, give or take a couple years, there's going to be an inciting incident. And if it comes later, it'll probably come at around 2008, right when two-thirds of the boomer generation,

I think it was, would be eligible for their social security. So that was the housing collapse right there. And that would be an economic inciting incident that would lead into – and I wrote some things down. We can get to it later. But in Chapter 6 of the book, The Fourth Turning, there's eerie, like very eerie kinds of predictions that go right into what you could call now the winter period, the crisis period. And then Game of Thrones, they were like, winter is coming. A long winter. But does that mean we're through the worst of it? We're on our way out towards this beautiful, utopian springtime?

It's very interesting because in the book they said it won't be any shorter than 15 years, it won't be any longer than 20 years if history repeats in the same way. It's never gone any longer than 20 years. So after – because I think Neil Howe works in D.C. now, and he advises people, and he said somewhere around 2028 it should be concluded. And that's when the high – the next high will start. And if you think about it, the crisis is like a crunching period. And anytime you come out of a crunch, it feels like a high. There's a big restructuring. So I've heard 2025 is the year to look at. So then when did the last springtime start?

Last springtime would have been, man, just after 1945. I mean, that seems like a pretty definitive end to the crisis period. That means the crisis period reached its end with mass bloodshed and 76 million dead. Yeah, yeah. When was the New Deal? Because apparently that was, they also mentioned that in the book, the New Deal. Because they don't just talk about like war, but for some reason when you go back 80, 90 years, you look at World War II, Great Depression, 80 to 90 years before that, give or take some, Civil War. Before that, the last winter was the Revolution.

Before that, because they're talking mainly Anglo-Saxon history, the Glorious Revolution in England. And so it lines up. When you look at it, it definitely lines up. There's other authors who popped onto that 1933 and the glorious revolution in England was like when they made King John sign the Magna Carta is that what that was?

was that it? oh that was 1200 four turnings before I've noticed that in 2028 this year you're saying might be the new Not the awakening but the The high

Is when graphene is purported to become peak Which means that society has completely Inundated itself With graphene Instead of using steel we're now using graphene for buildings Touch screens, battery power Electricity, all that Interesting, yeah there's a lot of predictions

Elon Musk says 2023 We should be able to expect super intelligent AI. I mean, these are all speculations. Do you want me to just read just like two paragraphs of what they predicted would happen in this period? Yeah. Okay. So they said, around 2005, a financial event will likely spark the coming crisis. A succession will be spoken of heavily. Secession?

I'm sorry, secession. Like seceding, states seceding from the union. And they said it could be something having to do with like taxes and IRS. But was it, they said that was going to happen in 2005? No, no. said that was going to happen in 2005 no no they said starting starting in 2005 so they're saying there will be a financial event is usually what sparks these things and then after that they're talking about during the entire crisis period you'll see these things come up so secession will be spoken of heavily a potential terrorist group may blow up an aircraft and claim to have

portable weapons of mass destruction or nuclear weapons. The U.S. will potentially strike the responsible country preemptively. I don't know what that means because, you know, they already attacked. They already attacked. Some will blame the president for concocting the attack for political purposes. Militia groups will rise up against urban gangs, cyber attacks. CDC may announce the spread of a new communicable virus.

This is all in Chapter 6. I'm not making this up. What is happening? You know, a new communicable virus that will reach densely populated areas and kill some. I'm trying to use as many verbatim words as I can. Mandatory quarantine will happen. President will order National Guard into major cities. Again, urban gangs battling suburban

militias and calls mount for the president to declare martial law. Insurrection will, I know they said that several times in Chapter 6. I just didn't get the exact sentence, but they mentioned insurrection several times, and all events will escalate. The inciting incident will set off a chain reaction of other events, and until the climax, there will be nothing that brings down the intensity. So like World War II,

when World War II officially ended, boom, springtime next. So that means 2027 is going to be brutal. It's going to be absolutely chaos. I mean, the theory is maybe it was 9-11 that sparked this and that was the aircraft thing that they actually mentioned.

And now this is the brutal ending too. Oh, and they wrote this when? In 1997? It was published in 97, which means I think they started writing it in 88 with a different idea. Wait, wait, wait. They published it way before 9-11 and said, someone will get an aircraft. That's crazy. Yeah.

They also mentioned, and this is just in the book, I did a podcast on Kyle Kingsbury not too long ago. And I turned him on to the book, and then he hit me up. I didn't even hear this part. He was like, in the very first chapter, they mention Bill Gates, eugenics, and depopulation in the same sentence in 97. Yeah, or in the same paragraph. It's one of those two, and I didn't even catch that. And then they – so they mention him a lot. They mention Al Gore a lot.

And so they also give like what you would call a constellation, like people born under certain – like we would all be millennials, I imagine. And so we're born during the unraveling, and we've only known unraveling in crisis. I think he might be a – it's called like Xennial. Yeah, Generation Y y i was told growing up no generation not quite x like a tail end of generation x okay 79 what's the year yeah so that was that would be till there was no crisis when i was a kid it was beautiful roses it was awesome so you would be considered a nomad and i would be we'd be considered heroes how old are you uh i'm 38 so i was like right at the beginning of it.

And then people born in a crisis period, period are called artists. And then people born during a high are called prophets. And so they, they go into a lot of detail as to why they're named that. And, and so they talk about the boomers, their role in this crisis,

generation X in this crisis. So they, so they they predicted insurrection they predicted militias portable weapons crashing a plane a lot of this stuff you know i will say we'd have to go into the book and i'll tell you this i didn't read the book maybe they say here's a hundred things that we think will happen and then you just cherry pick the seven that are relevant to us go aha that proves i'm right not really so is it just like they threw a bunch of darts at the wall and said we'll see what happens and then you just cherry pick the seven that are relevant to us and go, aha, that proves I'm right. Not really. So is it just like they threw a bunch of darts at the wall and said, we'll see what happens. And then we're cherry picking.

I'll tell you exactly what it is because this I was listening to it this morning. Everything I said, I didn't really leave out anything. If I might have left out anything, it would have been one thing. And this is all in like two paragraphs and so they what they said was right afterwards they were like likely none of these things will actually happen in this way but the underlying tone will things like this will happen this will be the nature of things to happen and so there wasn't much other than this. This was like two paragraphs. I just distilled it down a little bit. Right, right, right, right.

And then they went on to say, like, in a crisis period, if tensions keep rising and there is any spark of violence, it will likely lead to war. So I'm trying to use their words as much as possible. If it does lead to war, it's likely to end in total war. The enemy rendered nil. And afterwards, one society dies, a new one is born. And basically, there's no way to stop a winter period from coming. But do they think that the United States is going to enter a new spring? Or in that context, what if China crushes the United States and destroys our society?

In that sense what they would say because they do say that it is possible for the United States to be the loser in this and they're really talking mainly eccentric around the U.S. So when they do talk about this they say that no matter what the spring is also coming. So spring will definitely come but that's not really saying much for the losing side you know it's crazy is that you go back 80 years what do you got the end of world war ii you go back 80 years before that what do you got end of civil war you go back 80 years before that what do you got the revolution end of the revolution these are all wars crazy and what they say is every single time if there's war the most um powerful weapons of war are definitely used there's there's no way around it so you look back you know the the um atomic

bomb at the end of world war ii before that what was the most powerful thing the gatling gun the gatling gun i think was uh 1873 maybe okay my gun history good no probably not but uh they were using percussion revolvers i think they were man i don't know a lot about guns but i'm sure a lot of people are like i'm surprised you know those things existed uh they had these uh i'm pretty sure they had percussion revolvers basically you would load the charge like you know what is it called muzzle load but it's like you'd pour into the side of the revolver and then you put a percussion cap on the back and then there were a couple different models uh

really amazing technology for the time i'd say there was one where i had two triggers you pull one to to rotate and pull the hammer and the other to fire the hammer and uh they're not particularly convenient but it was like it was uh i think it was the london armory was at london arms company i don't know a whole lot about this stuff i should learn my gun history and uh they were selling the confederate i think they're selling the confederates and so they're giving them these percussion rifles so that was like really revolutionary tech at the time that you could carry around this loaded you know i think they had what eight shots maybe and so coming from the muzzle loaded era of just like you know stuffing the ball and you know through the muzzle and then firing and then doing again all of a sudden these guys had small arms where they could go boom boom

boom so that's that was legitimate technology so what do you think it is today is it even i don't weaponry like explosives that's this so this is what i've been talking about when it comes to this concept of like civil war and all that is no it's it's it's mind control it is absolute mind control when when the easiest way to understand that we are all's mind control. It is absolute mind control. The easiest way to understand that we are all being mind controlled is first. When people invent, okay, let me tell you something. I talk to people about persuasion techniques. I used to do nonprofit fundraising, literally walking up to strangers on the street and being like, I need you to give me $100 right now.

And I could make people sign over credit cards. It's really amazing when you consider there's a job where someone standing in the street greets a stranger and then says, give me your credit card information right now and you will get nothing in return. That is the fundraiser's job when they do the street canvassing. What you're doing is you're selling them an idea. So it takes real persuasion and skills. I always tell people, you are not invincible.

No one is. Everyone can be controlled and manipulated. And you tell people, you are not invincible. No one is. Everyone can be controlled and manipulated. And you know what everyone says? Not me. So here's what I do. Whenever I explain to people, I'll say, I can make you say something. And they'll say, no, you can't. I can make you say something. You don't even realize it. I can make you say, yeah, but not me. Want to bet? And they'll be like, what? I'm like, I won't say that. And then I'll wait a minute or two. And then I'll be like, let me explain to you how mind control manipulation works. I'll break down the basics of it.

And they'll go, yeah, but not me. And I'll go, you owe me 10 bucks. I made you say that. It's not so much that I made you, but I knew the sequence of events to get you to say it. Considering that, I always tell people, if mind control, mental manipulation wasn't a thing, Coca-Cola would not be spending billions of dollars on these commercials and billboards and research. You would not have social media companies selling your data to predict your behavior.

They want to know what makes you do things and why so they can exploit you for resources. It sounds a bit nefarious. You can break it down to the guy at Coke wants to make 10 more dollars and he's going to do whatever he can to figure out how to get you to buy another Coke. It's called marketing. But now you have this era where it's been so incredibly refined that big tech companies, they know what you think. They know why you're thinking it.

They know what they want you to think. And they are absolutely stripping away the individuality through these networks. What's happening now is whether intentionally or not, we cannot go outside in big cities for the most part, mostly in blue areas. Can't go to bars, can't go to restaurants, got to wear a mask, hard to talk when you're wearing a mask, hard to read someone's lips. A lot of people don't realize this, but when we talk to each other, we are reading lips. So there's a bunch of research showing how you can change the sound, but the lips will still make people hear a different word. When you're in a bar and someone's talking, you will hear the sound and the movements

of their mouth and go, I know what they're saying. Take away the, you know, take away the ability to see their mouth. And now you're going to be more confused. Very, very difficult to communicate ideas during this lockdown. Then you go on social media and they say, you can't talk about this, this, this, this, or this. You can't say that. Donald Trump's speech, gone outright. Right side broadcasting network, you're banned for two

weeks for even showing the president saying it. Ideas are being restricted. This is the greatest weapon we've ever seen. Imagine if during the Civil War, a guy showed up to the Confederate and said, I will win you this war without you firing a single shot. Will you buy this weapon? And they say, what is it? And they would say the printing press or the ability to spread propaganda in a guaranteed manner. What if I told you that the people of the North could only read what we made them read? We could tell them that we could have them vote for insane things that would destroy their own country. We can have them vote for politicians that would harm them. We can trick them into believing that our soldiers are in different areas.

You control what they think and you need not fire a single shot. You could march into D.C. and never have to fight anyone and they will smile and celebrate as you do it. That's what's happening with big tech and all this manipulation. Who needs a nuclear bomb? What's that going to do scare and harm people in today's day and age why bother forcing someone through violence when you can simply tell them to do it and they will if you look at the ccp what they're doing to the uyghurs like that's violent like why not be violent if you can i guess that's up to

these psychopaths is what they're thinking and i've listened to putin talk about weapons of war and said that all this defense against intercontinental ballistic missiles has become null now. You can fire late like orbital strike from. And he was very vague about what kind of rods from God. Yeah. He was like, they can't stop it. You guys. United States can't stop.

You guys know what rods, you know, rods from God are. I heard about Thompson hypothetical tungsten rods floating in orbit that they just release and then gravity pulls it down and then interesting i didn't know it was that yep i thought it had more to do with satellites but um well yeah satellite would be holding a tungsten rod and just release it okay and then release it at a time i'm also concerned with drone dogs like we were talking about drone dogs before like drone weapons you know like nuclear like nuclear bombs attached to a drone that can fly through a window. Let's get into that.

But I do want to talk a little bit more about Strauss-Howe. And then I do want to talk about the police state, the cyber dogs they got in New York. So the Strauss-Howe generational theory, when does it start? Was there something before the Revolutionary War? Or are they just basically saying, hey, we had a years later civil war 80 years 80 years later world war ii probably another thing's going to happen or they or was there something we just don't talk about before that yeah you know so in the book they're not really clear the earliest uh crisis period that i think they mention is the glorious revolution though they do go back into roman

history and they say that the term seculum meansum means a long life. Because by the way, you know, anyone who's entering this crisis period wasn't around in the last crisis. So it's usually people are dead, they're not around enough to even know what the pattern means. So history repeating itself, they don't quite get it. But it goes back to the Glorious Revolution, like I said, in England. Before that, they don't really get much into this period. So it seems like they're talking Anglo-Saxon American history, but they do mention, and this is where my understanding breaks down, is other countries going through their own cycles. And they said, if two countries, this was also part of chapter six, if anyone wants to go in there and check it out of the fourth turning, if two countries reach their crisis period at the same exact time, usually

that's when it will definitely end in war or a lot more likely to end in war if two periods are two major powers specifically are in crisis at the same time. But it seems like, well, we're facing two potential threats, China, but also civil war. And so if you're if we look internally, we have two tribal factions. You have the populist right. And then you have the establishment. The populist left tends to support the establishment, tends to. Although rag on Joe Biden, but they'll throw their weight behind him.

So, you know, you may as well have that. Then you have disaffected moderate individuals like me. I throw my weight behind Trump, for instance, to a certain degree, voted for the guy, supported him in some endeavors. But I'm fairly critical, just like the populist left is critical of the Democrats, but also throw their weight behind them. It seems like because of Facebook's dominance, dominance twitter the internal war being fought right now does include low-tier violence and mass protest and riots as well as many you know these individuals

who stormed the capital so there is violence but it seems like the bigger fight is just the fact that lines of communication are completely controlled right now by the left tribe which would say to me that by 2028, the populist right tribe will be non-existent. If that's the end of the major climax, if they're talking about insurrection and violence and talk of secession, it sounds like we are entering another civil war period. Texas is already, they got legislation pushed forward that will allow the state to vote for secession.

And the Texas GOP is supporting the bill. I support the idea that people should be allowed to vote for things they want. Will they actually be able to pull it off? I don't know. But if Joe Biden is pushing this very, very heavy gun control stuff, that's the easiest way to look at how Joe Biden's policy demands do not fly at all with red states and some blue states to a certain degree. What I mean by this is the gun control measures he proposed, he proposes are very good for blue, blue cities. The people who live there, they want them.

They like them. They don't want guns. And they live in really close proximity with cops everywhere. So for them, they get it. But Joe Biden wants to have this gun control even in red states nationwide. So what's happening now is the ideological divide between how someone wants to live is so they're so diametrically opposed that when Joe Biden is like, I'm going to pass laws that benefit cities, you know, to hell with everybody else.

You end up with talk of right now we have many counties who want us to seek from those states to go to red states. But sooner or later, we're going to see more than just murmurs we're in 2021 if the climax is supposed to be or we're in the climax but if the end is supposed to be 2028 i don't think it's fair to call the climax right now because if this is going to keep escalating until it finally goes off the cliff and just stops and then resarts then the climax is going to be 2027 december 31st i'll tell you i think september 11th was the inciting incident and we're in year 20 right now it's i don't know i've been talking about airplanes i mean the financial crisis was was way way way worse well now we

can talk in terms of uh global damage and societal change the economic collapse it sparked occupy wall street it created years of mass protests. It led to the rise of people like Trump and Bernie Sanders. So the reason we get someone like Trump, a lot of the people who supported Trump were Occupy supporters. Now, I get it. 9-11 was a nightmarish tragedy. It birthed the Patriot Act, which is basically the martial law part of this. Yeah, but the Patriot Act was act was if anything people didn't care

they cared sure sure listen some activists cared but for the most part it didn't impact regular people the mortgage-backed security crisis the financial crisis having that followed brought people to zero and people were were desperate they were angry and what did they see the banks get bailed out so what happens then is you go to Occupy Wall Street. You had left and right basically screaming F the establishment. Well, try as they might, and they succeeded. They kept the left and the right divided on this issue. When the young leftists came in to Zuccotti Park, they drove away the libertarian and the conservative ideas that were there and dominated with far left populist ideas. You then move forward and you have the rise of Bernie Sanders.

The establishment clearly did not want Bernie Sanders to have any power, but they were they seem to have been taken by surprise at the rise of this left populist movement. And Hillary was furious and Bernie was rivaling her. She was supposed to win. Bernie was supposed to get close. They cheated. They were submitting for, you know, one example is they gave the questions to Hillary so she would know what they were going to ask her and could prepare beforehand. The whole thing seemed to be dirty and Bernie Sanders supporters

believed it. But you also got many people who saw the populist message from Trump. The interesting thing about the 2015-2016 presidential cycle was that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump had many of the same core policies. Bernie Sanders is on record speaking with Vox.com saying open borders is a Koch brothers right wing proposal. You had people I met. I met three guys in Anaheim at a Trump rally who said they were originally Bernie Sanders supporters. They flipped for Trump when Hillary won. Why? They said Bernie Sanders is a guy whose job has been has been to be a politician. And he's talking about these free trade agreements. He's talking about union workers. I like these ideas. He's a little too far left for me,

but he seems genuine and way better than the establishment. When Hillary Clinton basically took it from Bernie, they said, well, the only other guy talking about these free trade agreements and bringing our jobs back is Trump. So they flipped for Trump. Two different elements of the populist revolt, which started primarily because of the economic collapse and how it destroyed the lives of many people. Now you have two things to consider. For one, boomers lives were destroyed and they got angry. So they said Bernie or Trump. You then had millennials who are now entering a job market, competing with boomers for entry level jobs. Now you have Gen Z who literally entered

the market after that where there were no jobs. And so they're all basically becoming socialists, or I should say they're very socialistic, albeit there is a slight push towards some conservatism. But it's no surprise that you see so many socialist youth when they're like, by the time I was old enough to get a job, what scraps were left were taken up by millennials. The millennials are like, I did everything I was told to. And then when I tried to get a job, all I could go was entry level garbage. I could barely pay off my student loans. The system isn't working. When you take a look at the M1 money stock, what do you see? Up until 2008, there's a slow and steady increase. At 2008, it sharply increases.

And then here in 2021, I'm sorry, in 2020, it shoots straight up. Now, they say it's because they changed the reporting metric for it. However, before they changed the reporting metric, the spike had already begun. So if anything, it seems like they changed the reporting metric because they needed to mask it to some capacity. So in my view, 2008 was this major economic catalyst, which sparked this populist uprising, which leads to Donald Trump, which leads to now claims of Democrats saying an insurrection, the culture war and the

clashes and everything around it are all merging into one. And it's coming to a point where we just had federal charges for Antifa dropped in Portland, yet they're going after some befuddled granny who walked into the Capitol building when the cops opened the door for her. Republicans and people of tribal right can see that there's a double standard and they're being treated like second class citizens. That Antifa for over a year can burn down entire cities and the vice president, now the vice president, literally can fundraise on their behalf and it is accepted. But you get a video of the cops opening

the door at the Capitol and saying, well, I don't agree with it, but I agree with your right to protest and welcoming them all in. And these people walk in smiling, taking selfies, respecting the velvet rope, smiling and taking pictures with cops. And now these people are facing serious charges and they're being called insurrectionists and lawyers won't even represent them. Now we're seeing the wave of censorship that's escalating the conflict has only gotten worse both sides are ready to just slam into each other and i think it's going to get bad i think the uh the 2008 thing makes a little bit more sense mainly because there's something about the the winter crisis period that they mentioned so like instead of just looking at the external like what are what are the events and things like that take a look at people's behavior because they they do say

sparks inciting events if it happens in a different turning like in the in the spring or the summer or the fall we behave differently um and so in 2001 you didn't see as many people amassing so they say in a high period which which is right after a crisis, the number one thing that sparks create is synergy. It's actually synergy. In an awakening, which you go back and look at the hippie generation, it's argument. That's the number one thing sparks do. And then during an unraveling, it's anxiety. But during a winter period, it's action. And you see a lot more action come the 2008, like, you know, from that entering to the Occupy and then everything from there, people and even just the ease of social media getting together, bringing your ideas together, it seems like people are a lot more action-oriented. And they do say that the new presidents that come in during this period will have a no

BS, like straight to the point, let's get down to business kind of like action orientation. The one thing they do say, which I noticed because I was listening to a bunch of podcasts on January 6th when the thing happened at the Capitol. And they were, in this book, they say that these events are going to start devaluing. Like basically there's going to be a massive devaluation. And I remember that thing that happened on the 6th, the storming of the Capitol, it didn't really reflect itself in the market the same way. Bitcoin kind of stayed the same.

Everything else kind of stayed the same. Stocks were going up. I remember a lot of people that I was listening to, and these were just people who are speculating constantly, and they have their podcast, and they were saying, something is not right. Something is disconnected here from reality. So that is one thing that the book, it was suspecting that during this period, you're going to see devaluation constantly. Maybe it's happening and we're not seeing it. Oh, no, no, no. It is happening.

There are reports that the cost of food is already starting to skyrocket, going up double-digit percentages. Fast food and dining, it's just way up. So there's major predictions of food shortages and or food inflation. So Texas had a food shortage because of the winter storm it made it impossible for trucks to come in but now one of the thing one of the things i'm seeing a lot of people don't notice this stuff because we're basically frogs in a pot we're coming to a slow boil and we don't realize it i i i saw someone on twitter say i just went to the grocery store to buy a week's worth of groceries and i couldn't believe it was almost double what i normally spend a lot of people aren't really paying attention to how much it's costing them.

And I think there's a couple of reasons for it. For one, frogs in a pot. You don't really notice these gradual changes, but a lot of people just don't have money anyway. We're not getting the stimulus. A lot of people are out of work. They're on unemployment. So they're like, I don't know, not paying my rent.

They're not really focused on the cost of goods right now, but they are definitely going up. The stock market is a strange disconnect but maybe it's just because it's a delayed reaction yeah it seems like it's six to eight months behind with bitcoin going up to 50 was it 56 000 for bitcoin before it dipped again before it dipped again that says something it went in only a few months it went from 13 000000 November to what, February 56,000. And only a few months, it's skyrocketed that much. That says something about the confidence of the stock market and this country. And I have to wonder if we are just, like you mentioned, six to eight months delayed

before the market takes a hard nosedive. You basically convinced me that it was 2008, because when the sparks flew of September 11thth it was anxiety and that if that's a fall if that's yeah then that's it was anxiety yeah and that's kind of the the part of the constellation you really have to look at our our behavior and we preemptively strike you know we we preemptively went after a nation or whatever iraq but they predicted they predicted that in the crisis or do they predict that at some all of that was during the crisis that i mentioned so that was a little early the the preemptive strike against another that was later and and you got to wonder i mean in the same thing is like you know when you are exiting um the real fall going into

the real winter one starts to look like the other by the end of fall in the beginning of winter it does just kind of fade into one another so this still could make sense in that respect but i mean like there's this was just the inciting incident and then so like there's a lot of ways of looking at like what are the sequence of events and where does it culminate like where does it go i think when it comes to predictions it's very difficult uh depending on your ability to calculate the variables in front of you you can make better and better predictions it sounds like these guys are very very smart and they were able to see a wide range of variables and track which they thought was the highest probability based on the things that were going to happen in their time period and based on history in which case they were able to for i would say fairly accurately predict. We don't expect people to be actual

psychics who can tell you on this date, at this time, the lottery number will be this. But for someone to say there will be an economic catalyst, there will be insurrection and militias, there will be fights in the streets, and it's like all that stuff is happening. Now, the other thing I think people should understand, too, is semantics and the language they use. Is it fair to say when they mention the militias fighting, would it be fair to say, well, we've seen right and left clashes over the past four or five years in suburbs and outlying areas? We've seen Proud Boys and Antifa. We've seen right wing groups putting on shields and helmets and bats and going and fighting the left.

And we've seen the culmination of a left-wing guy walking up to a right-wing dude and just putting two bolts in his chest. Is that basically what they're talking about? My opinion is it's fair to say yes. It's definitely fair to say because, again, you look at the people, like, were there protests in previous seasons? Yes. Like, what does the action look like here?

It's, you know, tensions got a lot higher here. And then, I mean, you can also go into, it's kind of interesting, because when you mentioned that, I often hear the same trigger words, like, why are we hearing the word insurrection, secession? You know, obviously, the CDC, the spread of a new communicable disease, that blew my mind when I heard that part of it. But then even go into people like Catherine Austin Fitz, and you could say what you think about her theories, but she was saying, you know, when she researched the 37 protests that happened in 2020, 34 of them happened within a very short mileage around

central, well, Federal Reserve Banks, and that a lot of infrastructure was destroyed around that her theory um was that it was to basically buy that infrastructure for pennies on the dollar build up the smart grid because my big question is here is like where are we heading how can we visualize the spring what is it going to look like because if it also changes i mean most people they're just like war is there going to be war that's what they're afraid of but it's also like how's the economy going to change everything is already moving towards blockchain it's moving more digital a lot more we're a lot more reliant on the technology i think in africa the first baby was you know unborn child was already put on the blockchain and like the moving in this direction and i've heard the the the big change the great reset moving from shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism which is you know basically

it's just a restructuring of what our economy is now and i just find it very interesting it's definitely going more digital i think a bitcoin is going to be worth a million bucks and it's going to be worth a million bucks relatively soon well by relative i mean within a few years i think one bitcoin will be a million dollars it's going to be 75k million bucks relatively soon. By relative, I mean within a few years. I think one Bitcoin will be a million dollars. It's going to be 75K really fast. If you look at the charts, how it shot up to like 38, back down to 27, up to 56, back down to 45. It's going up to 75, back down to 62.

While you can look at Bitcoin and predict to a certain degree, you can actually create, you know, like, here's what it did, here's what it will likely do. I think the reason we saw this massive jump was very different than the previous. What we saw previously with Bitcoin was just popular mentions. People started talking about Bitcoin. They started buying it, made the price go up, then made more people talk about it. And then it created a snowball rolling down a hill where everyone's like, Bitcoin's so

high and everyone's buying it. I think Bitcoin skyrocketed this time because you have chaos uncertainty destabilization capital insurrection donald trump's claims of fraud all of this stuff mass inflation and mass inflation from the previous year so now you're looking at in you know insurance companies foreign countries now now there's rumors that twitter may buy up a large portion of bitcoin i think that's proven not true because they did that apparently to buy title i guess but a lot of people are speculating who's going to be the next big company to put their balance sheet in bitcoin because it's a safer bet than dollars right now tesla tesla definitely moved the needle a bit there's this

thing i'm trying to think of the name. It was Facebook, I believe. It's not a, I don't even think it's a crypto, but it's a different kind of asset that is based upon the average of all currencies everywhere. So it's not mainly based in one. And that's a protectionary thing where if the dollar all of a sudden fails but everything else stays stable then you don't feel it that much was that the libra token the libra that's what it is yeah libra they they started it and then the sec hit them pretty hard and said it was a security so they pulled back on the program i don't know much more interesting yeah i i didn't look too much deeper into that either but i i started seeing in this period a lot of people are looking forward to the high and they're wondering

like what's stable and what has endurance what's gonna last like is bitcoin always going to be the gold standard for crypto you know i i hear this talk a lot you know i think so first in best address i don't see why not yeah yeah i guess my my question is how bad will things get and uh you know look i have to talk about fifth generational civil war, information warfare, manipulation. What do you think? Do you think we're in like a civil war period? So I've often thought like when they said the weapons of war will constantly be the most powerful and effective weapons of war. And this time around, I wonder if it's, it doesn't seem like explosions.

I think you're right. It has to do with the colonization of the mind. I mean, you could go all the way back to the, was it the CIA director William Casey in the 80s that said like our disinformation program will be complete when everything the American public believes is false. I mean, that's a meme. I've found that also in several books. You know, like, there's also William Colby beforehand, which was basically saying, yeah, we definitely have,

you know, we've infiltrated journalism, we have to because we have to control the narrative in many ways. So the narrative is huge. Like if you get people following the narrative, was it Aldous Huxley,ley who said eventually when when you have people knowing that they're being oppressed they revolt but if you can give them enough bread and circuses or just bring them their their pharmaceutical revolution right then how do you get people to be quite happy in their servitude so basically accepting the way things that are going well i would imagine you have to control the narrative. So then I start taking a look at like, well, what's happening today?

Social media is so much easier for everyone in this room is going to have a different feed. We're going to have something different showing up on my feed than your feed. And all of that is part of our digital twinning, right? We all have a digital avatar, potentially run through different simulations to see how you know how is ben joseph stewart with all his data going to behave if he gets these this kind of media you know it's i think you know we've heard enough of that even elon musk saying ai writing blogs and just like if something doesn't hit just slightly adjust slightly adjust slightly adjust i think it's information for sure.

Think about what this means. You're going to have – we already have this where AI writes news articles. So this has been around for quite some time actually, maybe over 10 years. I went to a presentation in Chicago at the – I believe it was the Art Institute where some guy showed us examples of how the AI does it. At the time, it was fairly rudimentary. It was like, if you have a weather system where the data is, you know, very easily, you know, inputted, it says thunderstorm Wednesday, 9pm rain, then all they need to do is add very simple English on Wednesday at 9pm, there will be a thunderstorm. And so you ended up with this very short article that said, your weather for the week on Tuesday, you can expect a thunderstorm. And so you ended up with this very short article that said,

your weather for the week on Tuesday, you can expect to see. And so it adds these very simple bits of English and then just inputs that data. Then we started seeing that around sports games, because the data from sports games was very easy. They could actually write more substantive articles where it would say things like, football player, you know, X scored, you know, this many points in the game. And so a quote from a guy says this, and no one has to actually write anything. The data points just exist from the existing, you know, infrastructure. Like when, when, when you go to Google, you can see the score from like a football mat, a football game or something. All that has to do is take all of those things, find the name, find the players, you know, stats for the game,

and then boom, you've got a substantive article. Now we're coming to this point where why do we need woke rage bait writers when an AI can, you can enter in a subject matter. You could simply just type in, okay, we have a guy and he's racist. He was in Texas.

He yelled at a waiter. And then it can generate automatically the opinion. And if it doesn't work, then the next time it can learn what the better opinion is that will get more people to click it. We're getting dangerously close to this point where you're not going to realize

the opinion you're reading isn't from a human being. It's automatically generated by an AI who doesn't know or care because it doesn't have the capacity to. And it's making you lose your mind and want to go insane and be violent. You know, what's really interesting about you saying that is, so like I was studying this thing called Zipf Law, Z-I-P-F Law. And it's basically this algorithm that you can put towards any language and it will show whether it's a natural language or not. So all human languages follow this law. Music also follows this law.

And it's the same with our genetic code. And so this started coming into what's now called linguistic genetics. That's showing the way we use words, even thinking words. It works in the same way that our genes do, and our words actually have epigenetic effects on our DNA. And so when you're saying that about AI, let me talk into the mic, when you're saying that about AI, there's something about what it's trying to do is keep your focus, keep your attention. Like, you know, what you focus a lot of attention on, you know that your body starts to become engaged in that. And so there's something that's almost hypnosis. In fact,

it absolutely is hypnosis when you can focus your body and your mind on one thing. Spiritual traditions had it where you breathe and you focus on a light or something like that. Nowadays, it's these articles he was just talking while you were pissing or whatever you were doing. Yeah, thanks. I feel better. So basically I was saying that we're getting to the point where you can have a human just input a few things like, let's say today Ian did a backflip to the right. Ian backflipped, and I say it's racist. Enter. And then the AI can generate a long-winded thing where it's just like, today I was reading an article and I heard about this guy, Ian, who did a backflip.

Now, why am I so angry about it? So all of those things that sound human, that are telling a story, could be just auto-officially generated. And what happens then is the AI will then auto-generate this article based on, actually, it's like Ryan Long's sketch. You familiar with Ryan Long, the comedian? Yeah. He did that bit where it's like,

blank has a blank problem. And then he showed all these ridiculous articles where it's like, you know, swimming has a transphobia problem and like basketball has a gender problem. Like you can just buzzwords. That formula exists. An AI could easily fill in the gaps once you make that sentence. And what will end up happening is the AI will auto-generate the article. I'm sure these things exist already. And then they'll try and see how much traffic it gets, how long people are staying reading it, and then they'll keep tweaking it. And then they'll make another version. It'll do a little bit worse.

They'll make another version. Version will do a little bit better. They'll keep that version. They'll keep iterating and learning. And then eventually you will find the perfect rage bait content being mass produced for profit to keep people in a perpetual state of anger and anxiety. And you're making me think of procedurally generated video games as well as artificial intelligence builds out our digital realm. And they're like, this guy likes to turn right a lot. So let's give him a lot of right turns in his game to keep him playing this game.

Yep. And to keep him engaged in my meditative trance that I want him paying into. Imagine this. In your phones, there's this motion sensor. And there's out of Aston University, I think his name is Max Little. I think he's a mathematician. He found that people, you know, they keep their phones in their pockets. And it can sense your gait cycle, the way you walk.

And with that data, they found, now there hasn't been a huge study on it, but 100% accurate diagnosis of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, better than a doctor sitting and trying to diagnose you for the same because of the motion sensor that's already in your phone. So this is just like the failure of imagination is not realizing how you can figure out from a motion sensor, you know, neurodegenerative disease and diagnose it. Imagine now AI helping us get better at figuring out how we can use the technology that's already here. So then I heard that Facebook was working on something that could predict your thoughts, literally predict your thoughts. And so all their users, all the data, predict your thoughts, what you're going to type in, what you're going to look for. And that's what this thing called sentient world simulation is. You know, so it's a digital mirror of the you know our whole world all the data points everything connected to the internet of things eventually the internet of bodies which is

basically just harvesting biometric data it's the matrix it really here's the crazy thing about the matrix in the movie you have this ai that they say they tried to craft a utopian matrix but humans rejected it because they're predisposed to conflict. What they don't consider is that we're watching the construction of this matrix, and it's going to be absolutely perfect in every way. You are going to be completely entranced by it. It's going to know exactly what you want, when you want it, what to say, when to say it to keep you locked in that state. We talk about, you mentioned video games where they're like, hey, let's, this guy likes to, for some reason, he jumps a whole lot. Let's give him a platformer.

Let's make him, let's make him have to work for it and enjoy it. They figure out what you want. So you keep doing it. What happens when we get to the point where we have neural link, when our social media is already doing this, our social media is already trying to feed us what they know will keep our eyes locked on that page it's making everyone go insane what happens when they figure out how to make it perfect that you will never unplug from neural you end up rejecting it this has been my experience the last week i've been really hitting the game's heart and i'm getting

to a point where i'll sit and stare at my computer and think i have no joy from this because this is not real conflict but this is real. Are you the norm? I don't know. I'm just the extreme. You're explaining that we're not there yet. At a certain point, the AI is going to figure out how to overcome that hurdle. And they're going to be like, how did we lose this guy? You leaving?

You gave them all the data they needed to figure it out. But they showed you all of these things. Let's say you're sitting at a computer and they're feeding you a random number generator. And then they served you the numbers 1 17 83 and 52 and at 52 you got up and walked out the ai doesn't know or care it's a simple machine and they're gonna say don't give anybody 52 and they're gonna slowly figure out the next person leaves at 52 anyway and they're gonna figure out what they need to do in this game to prevent you from feeling like you're not accomplishing something.

But like in the movie The Matrix, people rejected it anyway. Even though it was perfect, they still just, they need conflict. They need imperfection. The AI would then give you that conflict. They would create it. What I'm telling you is, you are not going to be able to escape from a perfect trance. The system will see you leave. When you left that video game, it collected all the data

as to what you did, when you did it, and what they gave you. And they'll say, we did something wrong, and they will adapt. And the next person who's playing, they will slightly change it. Eventually, out of the thousands of people who are playing this particular game, I'm not saying the A's exist right now, I'm saying when we get to that point. Eventually, with a thousand people playing, they'll make a certain amount of iterations where it'll discover we figured out how to get a person to play for another minute longer. Then they'll evolve that iteration. Eventually, you will have people strapped in the machine saying there's absolutely no reason to leave. Food being one of them for sure but if we're talking about a singularity in artificial intelligence we're talking about robots that do work for us that change that do everything you know for our bidding

then the ai will eventually start having food delivered for you so you think you will never leave their game grand majority of people will eventually just give over to the matrix as they did in the movie but then there will be a small extreme that is just not satisfied that for whatever reason human brains quantum calculator is greater than any AI we could build. I don't think so. And we'll pull out of it. I think humans evolved for very specific circumstances. And one of the interesting things about humans as an apex predator is that adaptation through our intelligence allowed us to

essentially evolve faster than evolution would permit. Basically, when you look at a lion chasing a gazelle, right? Is that what they eat? They eat gazelle? Yeah. You know, an animal. Amongst many other animals. Amongst many other animals. Well, the gazelle has to run fast, and the lion has to run faster.

The lion has to be stronger, and so there's this natural selection. There's a competition. Humans, instead of evolving to become faster, to beat out the gazelle, evolve to become smarter. So what happens is because we can develop tools, there is no evolutionary strategy for any animal which can escape our power. Nothing. We have conquered everything, every other life form on this planet, even diseases. Now, granted, they can evolve and we're in a constant war against diseases, but humans are the apex predator. And it's because evolution is too slow for us. But what that also means is humans are still animals who have adapted for very specific circumstances. The technology that we've built adapts faster than life can adapt to

it, which means we will potentially develop a technology which we will victimize ourselves with. We will create an AI that won't seek to destroy us like the Terminator or the Matrix, won't go to war with it. There could theoretically be a war in the sense that the AI will be a mindless, in a sense, automaton seeking to give humans everything they've ever wanted. And there will be a few people who maybe break out of it for some reason or another can't be plugged in. And they'll be desperately trying to free people from this matrix. But the people will be like, get away from me. I know I'm in the matrix. I love being in the matrix. You go live in your garbage world. I have everything I could possibly ever

want. And that's what humans will get wrapped up into. And then they will just fall apart. Unless, of course, the true singularity means that the AI can replicate machines, which can manipulate digits, replicate themselves, expand their own technology, in which case humans will just become a remnant, I suppose. And then in tens of thousands of years or hundreds of thousands of years, there will just be self-replicating machines floating through the universe, replicating on various planets and no human insight and when you say years that's basically the the time that it takes to travel a distance so like time is just relative i mean it's not to diverge too far off but when you say 10 000 years from now you could just mean it a certain distance away from us right now that is happening that's that it takes 10 000 years to

get there whether or not time is passing you're sitting here you're going there it's there like what what i mean is an extreme it's this isn't the conversation for that it may be that we create a system that self-replicates and humans just eventually cease to exist and then the universe gets populated by self-replicating machines with no real consciousness with no real drive or passions and that's it and they colonize the galaxy and people yeah and then and then you know what you end up with you end up with like some moderately primitive civilization like mining their own business and then a strange cube lands on their planet and starts just wiping everything out and you know terraforming it for no

reason for a human for a human race that doesn't exist anymore unless psychedelics are that x factor you mentioned we're talking about dmt earlier that's the that's a great segue well here's the reason why i want to say that there's a really interesting book called what technology wants and it talks about evolution and it says there's two main camps and one is the contingency theory the other is the inevitability theory one is that contingency things just happen because at the moment that's the best tool it had to arrive at a random meandering into whatever direction that billiard ball shot the other one off into the other one is that everything inevitably is converging towards like no matter what we humans were going to be evolved here, even if you rewound and start it over and over again.

During the Metazoan period, eyes evolved 40 times, I believe, and different kinds of eyes have continually been evolved, and these are immaculate. Even Darwin was just like, there's something interesting about the eye. Anything less out of it, and it wouldn't work as beautifully as it does. So inevitably, what this guy is saying is, in What Technology Wants, awesome book, he's saying that technology is also inevitable. And the way we build it, it's also at a population density, we get to a point where this will always happen, what's happening on the planet right now. And just to finish this off, what I find super interesting is one of the tech hubs of the world, Silicon Valley. What was that area very popular for during the awakening? Haight-Ashbury?

Yeah, the psychedelic trances of the 60s, Jerry Garcia. And a lot of those people actually went on to being techies. So Timothy Leary, huge into talking about psychedelics, this is how we turn on a generation. By the end of his life, he was talking about AI, and he was talking about future tech. Terrence McKenna was doing the same thing. So I do feel like, I do feel like what you were saying might have a little bit of merit that most people will be fine. And they are the ones who were heard or group think, really, they just want to be part of the group. And they are the ones who were heard or group think really, they just want to be part of the group. And then there's the outliers, like you'll find outliers even among,

you know, chimps or orangutans, where like, they, they studied these chimps. And they're like, why are they so depressed? They're always hanging out way outside. And they, they took these outliers, and they studied them, and then they brought them back and it turns out that their entire tribe were murdered because they were their outliers the ones who were different they stayed on the outside of the group they're also the early warning signs of external threats interesting and so the interesting thing is i wonder if there is an x factor and psychedelics potentially they seem to be this thing where like there's intelligence in nature. I believe there really is intelligence in nature. You know, call it just, it, you know, uses an algorithm to know how to grow towards the sunlight and somehow synergize and harmonize with

the mycelium blanket. And it really is this closed loop system that found a way to just survive. There's an algorithm, this very same equation that accounts for the, what is that, Mandelbrot set, that kind of infinity loop that, you know, generator, is the very same equation that accounts for how populations, especially like rabbit populations, they balance themselves. They go to a peak and then they balance themselves. And it's always something, it's some external external thing whether it's a predator or you know the environment something keeps it in check it's this closed loop system is that the fibonacci sequence the mandelbrot set no difference different equation that's different yeah let me let me tell you something crazy you mentioned that like the eye was like essentially some believe it was an inevitability.

Then it stands to reason that if we ever encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, they will look very, very much like us for several reasons. One, we evolved on a planet where we have an oxygen rich environment, but not too oxygen rich, which means we have the ability to manipulate fire, which allows us to separate certain elements and create various components. It allows us to create technology. It allows us to refine minerals and ultimately build rocket ships and other technology. And intelligent species, say the dolphin, they're fairly smart. They don't got hands. They're underwater. There's no fire by which to smelt anything. And there's no hands by which to manipulate things. Out of all the life that may exist in the universe, assuming it does, the ones that succeed in developing technology will probably be in a similar environment, or at least in a certain capacity, have the ability to manipulate elements, to create components and advanced technology, and have the ability to manipulate

small things. So it's entirely possible that eyes will evolve, the ability to sense the visible spectrum, as we call it, the ability to have some kind of fingertips so that you can use smaller tools and make very refined computers and microchips and things like that. And probably, I would say oxygen makes a lot of sense because the ability to control fire. So they breathe similar things to us. They look particularly different. Who knows what their skin might be like? Maybe their sun is, you know, bigger, smaller. Maybe they're further away from it or whatever. Maybe they like certain temperatures.

But you look at the boiling point, the freezing point of water, where there's water that tends to be life. I think they would be extremely similar to humans. Maybe we see symmetry in nature. They may have two arms. They may have four and no legs, and their arms function, you know function interchangeably, but they'll still be able to use fine tools. Like they could have a darker star. So they're not as light focused. Maybe they're more receptive to heat.

Although I don't know if it's what's more base heat or light. Well, you have to think about the freezing point, boiling point of water. Yeah. Hydrogen is pervasive. They would likely exist in a similar temperature set that we do. Now, I do think it can be a bit simplistic to think that because there's probably things we haven't discovered yet. There's probably ways by which someone, some species could eventually discover a way to isolate certain elements and develop components without using fire. So based on our current technology, we can make that assumption. They must be in some way similar to our atmosphere or whatever. I think that's fair to say. But there was, I believe,

in the past 20 years, they used to think the components for life were based on exactly what we were. They're like, oh, here's everything that life has. But they were looking only at Earth. And then there was a revision saying, instead of saying they need water, how about we say there needs to be some kind of base by which chemicals can mix and interchange? It doesn't need to be water. So it could be something else theoretically. But I think it's fair to say, you know, there's a good chance that assuming there is alien life, and I think the universe is certainly big enough to warrant it, they will actually be fairly similar to us. They won't speak English like they do in the Marvel movies.

But like in the Star Trek, you know know show. They're all fairly humanoid. They all look different. They have different heads. It is a little over the top. How they all are basically people. But their foreheads are a little different. But you look at some of the alien races. And bipedal humanoid type structure.

I think there's a decent probability of it. Maybe not a guarantee. You mentioned the bipedal part. There's symmetry in you know. Just about all organisms. You you know so that symmetry is very interesting because like to produce two of everything it helps the way we move and orient to gravity but it also is like dna can be more efficient just repeat the same thing on the other side mirror it and so they go into that and And they also speak about, like, contingency and inevitability.

It's not one or the other. It's yes and. Like, contingency, you were saying how maybe they found another way to get to a point that we did. Maybe they made jumps and strides. And their main point in the book is that technology is the main thing that does that. Like, we have this contingency where it's like it usually it happens very slow but technology it can make huge strides because something else you know very intelligent is working on giving it those it can jump a bunch of generations that we had to go through in the slow way so contingency is the way that it happens and inevitability is where it's going so i know i'm

going to california but but how I get there, that's dependent upon the roads and the traffic. You want to know what else is a very large component that will, I believe, I believe there's a likelihood that assuming there is extraterrestrial intelligence, they will be similar to us, not identical, but they will also be a very war-like species.

The reason for it is war is natural competition between the intelligent. A war between humans and deer ends very predictably. Hunters go out in hunting season and sweep the fields and wipe out what they call pests. A lot of deer no longer exist. However, humans up against humans means that when one human develops gunpowder, the other human has to quickly adapt. And because they're intelligent, the conflict goes from being between species to between different tribes within the same species. That conflict results in a rapid development of technology. Because if you don't compete successfully with the new arms and the new weapons, you die and you get wiped out.

So you take a look at Europe, for instance, and the proximity of all these warring countries and the rapid development of their technology. That war drove a lot of technological advancement, resulting in a lot of things people probably take for granted. Space program had a lot to do with the Cold War. And we developed a lot of new technologies. Plastics, for instance, were heavily influenced, I think, with the space race, trying to find lighter and stronger materials. And now we all benefit the benefits of that. Any other species, I should slow down a little bit. Many other species in a different planet, if they're living freely and peacefully, say Avatar, you know the movie Avatar?

That actually was particularly intelligent. They weren't very advanced. They had bows and arrows. And I know it's probably just a movie cliche that they're trying to make them look like Native Americans or indigenous population, you know, as primitive. But the reality is, based on their world, where they could all communicate with different species, that would present less of an opportunity for conflict. Because they weren't a particularly warlike species and were very, you know, pro nature, they didn't develop a lot of these technologies. So I'm not an expert

on this stuff. I'm not an anthropologist or anything. But I was reading about why it is that the various tribes of Native Americans in North America weren't as advanced as, say, Europeans in terms of gunpowder and ships. And it's because the country, North America, was so massive that when a conflict would arise, certain tribes could just leave. And so there was an opportunity to escape as opposed to fight. And when given the opportunity, most animals choose, most living beings choose no conflict. So even a bear, a grizzly bear, they don't want to fight you. If you're threatening their children, they might. If they're starving, they might. might but in europe where it was settled for a long time and you had basically people pushed to the edges they were it was i'm going to war with you and taking what you got or else and then they

just became very competitive whereas the native americans were like yes there was a lot of war absolutely but a lot of tribes could just be like we better get out of here it's better to run than fight then maybe it's possible we're only warlike because we're all stuck on this planet with nowhere to run. And if we were able to spread out infinitely, that we would let go of that. Like Star Trek. The Federation becomes much less warlike. And most of the, you know, in the show, the Enterprise is a science vessel. It does have military capabilities because you've got to yourself from threats and there is war. But yeah, I guess the issue is when you look at,

say, the movie Avatar and these imaginations of what a species would be like if they didn't have conflict, why would we have any reason to develop the technology if we're comfortable and peaceful? Right. You need to create the conflict within yourself. Why I like psychedelics. If you've ever taken psychedelics, you know you have to face yourself. The natural conflict of nature, the what have I done wrong? Maybe that will keep us building and creating if we force ourselves to work the muscle of the mind. In psychedelics, you know, it is a technology. You know, it's just the way we use it, it is a technology.

Shamanism is a technology. And like, there's a very accurate point to this. When you take psychedelics, what I believe the main thing that you're doing is you're amplifying the here and the now, the set and setting that you're around. Your mindset is being amplified, all of your emotions, your subconscious is being amplified. It's shown that those, you know, the reptilian brain, the mammalian brain, the neocortex, all the filters between them, they go. So your subconscious is emerging. And then so shamanic tribes, what they would do is they would have some kind of a rattle, and they would get like a rhythm going. And then they would sing, they would use the voice. And there's something about the melody and the rhythm and the use of song which they say they got from the plants that's a technology that destabilizes what's called the default mode network and that's where they say the ego lies let's let's talk about this extended state dmt stuff so we had alex jones and michael malice on this show and a lot of talk about dmt and gorillas and gorillas that's right right. And Ishmael, which Ian has right there.

Thank you very much. Yes, he sent us that. For those that aren't... Josh, for sending me a copy of Ishmael. For those that aren't familiar, the meme, I am a gorilla, which we sell the shirt. Go to timcast.com, click shop,

and you get your I am a gorilla t-shirt. It's based off of Alex Jones saying this book, Ishmael, is a psychic gorilla telling people that they're destroying the planet. And so Alex kept saying you know i'm a gorilla and then the gorilla emoji happened then we made the shirt as a joke but we have the book so uh anyway in this conversation we were having there was talk of the elves breaking through the veil you take dmp dmt and you take enough you blast off and the interesting thing about this conversation, the thing that really, you know,

excites me is this idea. There's been studies where people had shared experiences. They all take DMT. And you'd think if the drug was an internal chemical effect on your brain, well, then everyone's brain is going to be different. But people reported seeing basically the same things. Now, these trips are limited. but you were telling me, Ben, about extended state DMT. What's going on with this? So if any of your listeners know Dr. Rick Strassman, he wrote DMT, the spirit molecule. What he did was there was a long prohibition on psychedelics, and then he was the first in the US to break through that prohibition. And he basically just said, I want to inject people with high amounts of DMT and see what happens it was very very simple and they're like all right approved broke through that so they injected them in a clinical setting with high amounts of dmt and these people would have the

very same acceleration there's this crescendo and then you blast through some kind of a what can only be described as like an other dimensional or at least a psychological barrier and you blast through into another world the veil the veil and so the interesting thing was uh in a lot of people who speak about this there's hundreds of thousands of trip reports or at least many many thousands i should say of trip reports of people saying when you get to this world it is not world, it's not just a distortion of this world. It's not just like you're seeing pink elephants in the road, but the road is this world. You seem to be in a completely different place, but it's structured. It's not just very

weird and amorphous. It's very structured. And the beings that you meet there, the people come back and say, like, listen, I've done ayahuasca, I've done, you know, peyote, I've done mushrooms, you meet different things. And I can't tell if it's just part of my own psyche. But in the DMT space, this was not me. This was absolutely not me. They're very, very intelligent. A lot of the times they're insectoid. Sometimes they call them machine elves or clockwork elves they have mechanical aspects to them um you know short very small sometimes very weird um joe rogan talks about it a lot but they they fall into certain categories so there is some kind of like repetition or like an archetype to what people

experience in this realm michael malice said they're like slinkies like they're made of like a wire frame spiraling kind of structure of some sort i've heard of that malice said they're like slinkies like they're made of like a wire frame spiraling kind of structure of some sort i've heard of that i've heard they're like elves made of like you know tin cans and sometimes like trash sometimes crystals um but there's really only a few categories it's not like you know oh well i i saw you know like this actor or you know whatever like a 3 3000 foot Bigfoot, they usually fall within the same categories. And the interesting thing about this is that the extended state DMT, so I just did a film called DMT Quest. And I'll talk about that in a little bit. But DMT Quest is all about endogenous DMT, which means we produce DMT inside of our own brain, and we haven't known why.

It's very interesting. Like, it's there all the time. It's being produced throughout the brain in far higher amounts than we originally thought. There was a bunch of people that said, yeah, but it's not enough to make enough sense of it. But we show in DMT Quest with John Chavez, the founder of it, that it's being produced about how much serotonin and dopamine we have in the brain.

That's how much DMT we're making. You know, it's comparable levels. So the interesting thing is, is like, we know it's already in there. Maybe it's a part of how we see reality, how we experience reality. Rick Strassman said, everybody who comes back from a mega dose of dmt they say whatever that was that was more real than this real that felt more real than this and that's that's something that happened over and over again and these volunteers they weren't talking to one another so so the people who took the dmt said the trip the place they went to felt more like reality

it felt more familiar it felt more real and it's just more real than real It felt more familiar. It felt more real. And it's just more real than real. That felt more real than this real. And that was a lot of people saying that. So this, you know, now compounded on, you know, this was in the 90s. Dr. Rick Strassman was doing this. So now there's this awesome guy, Anton Bilton. He's the one who funded DMT Quest. And he also is the one who funded Imperial College London to do

extended state DMT. Basically, that's taking, I think it's called the Henry Boyle machine. It's like an anesthesiology machine where it's a continuous infusion into your bloodstream now of DMT. And it has already started. So I don't know, like, yes, they're gathering data, but it's probably not going to be out for a couple of years. It takes a while for it to come out. But just imagine. So the reason why they're doing this is because DMT is very fast acting. They call it the lunchman's psychedelic because you can go to lunch, do DMT.

And when you're back, there's no real afterglow. It's not like, oh, man, I need to take a day off. You're just back. You're 100% back, but with like a, what the? Like, that's how you're feeling afterwards. So when these people were doing these very deep trips, blasting off, could they interact with the real world? Could they like sit up and be like, hey, yo, I'm not feeling too well. Can you get me out of this chair?

Or were they just like zonked out? It's a good question. Could they? Maybe. So theoretically, I've done it and theoretically i've gotten up in the middle of it so can you yes do you want to know it's more interesting in there it's it's not interesting to be in this world while you're having that experience you want to just kind of stay super chill low light it can get very aggravating a lot of light a lot of noise so you're set in setting it has to hold the space for you to be wherever you are like

sensory deprivation some people have done that that's a trick like literally you know aubrey mark is just that i think i forget how six days in complete darkness and you start having almost dmt like visuals in that kind of respect so you could probably compound it like that but imagine this imperial college london they're doing extended state dmt why because 15 minutes in that space is not enough and we need to talk to whatever these beings are so this is a major university that's like well there's so many there's so much anecdotal evidence we need to figure out what's going on in that space because what if these actually are interdimensional beings

that are here we just never see it because the veil is here we see a small sliver of of the light spectrum all of a sudden you have to all of a sudden you start to understand what alex jones was trying to say on joe rogan when he was yelling about the interdimensional beings and all this stuff going on. And you're like, what are you talking about? It's like crazy. You slow down and you explain people do DMT. They experience something that is fairly shared among people. And that is what really makes me say like, I want to know what this is.

Because when I hear people talk about ghosts, I remember there's like a coffee shop by me when i was a little kid and they were like oh it's haunted someone once got pushed down the stairs and i'm like dude i'm more likely to believe someone pushed him down the stairs and it wasn't a ghost who pushed around stairs it was someone who didn't like him you know what i mean but when you tell me that a university put a bunch of people in a chair you know shot him full of dmt and they all had a very, very similar experience, I have two thoughts. One, I think it's reasonable that maybe it's just because we're all human that our brains react the same way, creating a similar experience. Or perhaps there's something more to it. Maybe we're shattering through this veil and we're seeing something beyond reality that truly does exist. You know,

before people realized there was a charged electromagnetic spectrum, they did not know it existed or could even fathom what it was. And then we were like, hey, yo, guess what? Radio waves. Now we can communicate by just like a signal being sent out with electromagnetic pulses. You know, what I really love about this is that you guys are saying they keep experiencing the same type of things. Either it's mechanical mechanical um insectoid you said beings of light sometimes or small creatures like elvish things so there it is possible there are species throughout the universe that have evolved and they were one of them was an insectoid species one of them was a small hominid or a small one of them was a mechanical society that is like an advanced

ai and one is just pure light that is conscious, that is, that's possible. What if this has happened over and over and over again? And when we're talking about inevitability, like what if it's inevitable that we explore, maybe it's not always called psychedelics, but it's inevitable that we explore beyond the veil of our own limitation. And that's what evolution is, is we realize there's actually something universal that we're all connected to. Carl Jung called it the collective unconscious. Some call it the, you know, like the Akash. I don't know how much I like,

I under even understand about those terms, but what if it is inevitable that breaking out of what's called the default mode network, all psychedelics do that. And the default mode network is, it's consuming like 60, 50 to 60% of all of our biological energy, at least in our brain, when we're just ruminating and daydreaming. Some say it's not efficient. Maybe it does serve a

purpose. But psychedelics break you out of that. And this is how people are saying psychedelics are helping people with intractable depression, anxiety, things like eating disorders, that psilocybin, mushrooms, potentially working with Johns Hopkins University is saying, like, we need to actually dose some of these fighters with psilocybin because it's helping neurogenesis. They're regrowing brain patterns back. Low doses of DMT actually help for stroke. So imagine, DMT might be actually really, really important in the brain. We just don't know why yet.

So we're sitting here speculating on it. We're all on DMT, by the way. Everyone in here and everyone listening, we're all on DMT. It's just subpsychedelic. You mean like naturally occurring in our brains? Naturally occurring, endogenous DMT. We don't want to give the kids the impression that we all smoke DMT. No, you're definitely right about that.

It would be a different show if that was the case. Very different, very different. All plants, all mammals. Check this out, check this out. What if we were talking before about you know mmorpg reality are you know is this existence full of billions of humans who are all sentient conscious entities are only some people sent just content uh conscious entities or is it only you listening to this show what if this experience people are having where they say

it's more real than reality? What if that's just like when you're not playing the game? So have you guys seen the Rick and Morty episode where they go to Blitz and Chits, I think it's called, and he plays the game called Roy? And he basically puts on his headset and then lives a full life as a guy named Roy. And then he loses when he's like in his old age, gets crushed by a carpet. And then all of a sudden he like comes back to the the game arcade and he's like wait who am I I'm I'm Morty like what if that's what it is what if the reality is you're getting a you're not really blasting off like you are but you're not really breaking through it's just like you're temporarily

looking back at the real world where you're playing this video game that is humans on earth and it's a temporary glimpse because dmt doesn't actually take you out of the game you're still alive you know what's really interesting is because like we can access it and we can turn it up i believe we can it's not proven yet but like wim hof the dutchman he holds 26 guinness world records he has a breathing technique that allows him to swim under polar ice caps. He's ran a marathon in the Arctic Circle as well as in the Sahara Desert without drinking any water. He's climbed to the top of Mount Everest in sandals and shorts because of this breathing technique. And so that's what made John Chavez and I, when we were making DMT quests, we took a Wim Hof breathing instructor.

And we sat him in a chair and we had him hooked up to EEG machines. And we just had him do the breath. And we looked at the EEG profile. And it looks, to our understanding and to what we've compared it to, identical to the DMT EEG profile. That's crazy. So now we're talking about human potential. How do you access the dmt and why so wim hof is saying we are helping people with their intractable depression anxiety ptsd you know ocd you know all that kind of stuff the same thing that psychedelics were

doing so you you also who is it salvador dali. Somebody said, do you take drugs? And he said, I am drugs. You just have to know how to access it. Like we produce it. So now it's like, is there, drugs is such a harsh word, but is there a real purpose to alter your consciousness? If we get into such like biases and like rigid thinking, is it healthy to break ourselves out in a healthy way? Not too often because that that could lead to its own addiction or messiah complex but you know is it healthy to break ourselves out of rigid thinking and then come back integrate back into normal life what if

there was a way to actually focus your mind into masscing DMT to access blasting off or breaking through the veil completely on your own just through training and exercise and practice. Visualizations and – You guys have seen Doctor Strange? The movie? Negative. When – so Doctor – so he's like – his hands are all messed up and he's trying to find a cure and he goes to Commertaj and he meets the Ancient One. And she grabs his head and then all of a sudden he blasts off and he's like flying through space.

What if there was a way to train yourself? Cause your body does produce DMT. And you mentioned this guy who does his breathing technique. What if he's like, it's like rudimentary access to this ability to like control yourself. And what if humans actually could reach that point through training and meditation to actually be able to experience dmt trips just by thought i really think that governments are already doing that you know and like so i've seen in russia i've seen in china i've also seen in um in the united states documentation from the department of the army in the 19 i think it

was 1983 where they were looking at um what's called from the monroe institute and i'm for the gateway experience it's called the gateway experience i have this documentation where they're like we really need to understand hypnosis and the power of focusing the body and the mind at the same time and how you can remote view telepathy telekinesis right so that's that's definitely an aspect of it but beyond that that like we know that remote viewers help in um criminal cases is that true yeah that's crazy no no i mean look at it look it up i mean it's it's not something that i personally have the documentation on but the so remote viewers helping solve crimes. They have been brought in. They have been brought to help.

And you can't prove, but it seems like they have actually helped, that there's actually been some cases that were solved. And there's this guy, something Campbell. I want to say Tom Campbell, my big toe, he wrote. And he teaches people how to do remote viewing. I got an article about, in 1979, half a dozen psychics working inside Fort Meade were, on more than 200 occasions, trying to peer through the ether to see where the hostages in the Iranian crisis were being held. Was it successful? I don't know. I would have to read the whole thing. I've even heard of like local crimes, like kidnappings and stuff like that, you know, where a remote viewer was brought in.

You know, I'll have to check that out more. But I do know that governments have been studying this. They at least want to hof you know the the super soldiers and china and stuff like that a lot of it does have to do with the mind and wim hof what did he repurpose you know now i have to give all the credit to wim hof because no one was talking about tummo or different like yoga breaths and stuff like that but there was a, like yoga is one of the longest lasting disciplines, movement disciplines. And they focus their body and their mind with breath. If I were to,

if I told you that through legitimate real yoga, not like, you know, suburban housewife yoga, a man could live for 200 years. Would you believe it? I would. And I've heard enough stories of it.

I was going gonna bring this up i was waiting i was like i'll bring it up in a second because i knew a guy he was a hari krishna and he was telling me stories about what yoga really is he was like kind of perturbed he was like i'm really angry that all of these like suburban housewives are treating yoga like it's just stupid exercise man it's like spiritual it's what you eat it's what you live it's what you experience and he goes i'm telling you man in india there are yogis who are 200 years old and i said get out of here dude that's no there's no way come on man and he was like i'm telling you man they go up to the mountains and they meditate and they do yoga and they live for hundreds of years and i don't i don't believe it i didn't

believe it i don't want to say i do believe it now but when i as this was a long time ago i was like 18 i started reading about um caloric deprivation are you familiar so we've extended we've like doubled the lifespan of what mice by just giving them the bare minimum of food they would need and i read this really great quote they were like it was like a scientist who said it's remarkable we've doubled the doubled the lifespan of the average mouse, though I wouldn't call it living. Because basically the mouse was being just from the brink of starvation. But because of that, the mouse lived for a long time. They did it with worms and other animals. So when I saw that, I started thinking like, what if this guy was telling the truth that there's like some yogis and because all they do all day is just sit and they barely eat,

they eat just enough and they do nothing but meditate as he described well that just sounds like caloric deprivation and perhaps they could live to be much much longer because they're literally not doing anything other than living within their own mind yeah have you heard that mice with a much faster metabolism and higher heart rate have roughly the same exact amount of breaths and heartbeats as an elephant does 1.5 million really 1.5 million so maybe isn't that true is it the same for humans too i would imagine i would imagine and there's this book by greg braden i'm forgetting i have it in my phone but basically he says he was talking about longevity. And he was saying there's this one guy in China.

And it's on the books. The Chinese military celebrated his 100th birthday, 150th birthday, and 200th birthday. And he had like 200-something children, 14 wives. And so it's documented. And what he said, and this was in a Greg Braden book, I wish I could remember the dude's name. But when they were asking him, like, what is your secret? He said, I only eat medicinal plants from my own property. And I do. And he was a Tai Chi master. He does Tai Chi. So these are movement practices of slowing the breath down, but becoming more efficient. Because when you hear about breath practice, you're like, oh, you need to breathe a lot. Actually, when you learn how to breathe correctly, you breathe less and your body is more efficient. And so there's got to be something to that. But then there's also amazing technology that's doing things with longevity. And I believe there's something with technology.

And psychedelics, I believe, are just helping people understand our own potential. And there's this technology. I think I was telling you about it earlier. Ebner and Schorsch. So that's E-B-N-E-R. And these are German scientists. They put basically fern seeds, corn seeds, and then rainbow trout eggs under an electrostatic field. So this is the same kind of effect that

right before a thunderstorm you would get, but 10,000 volts. And then they planted the seeds and hatched those eggs. The wood fern had a phenotype, meaning the way its genes expressed itself, expressed itself like a fern that has been extinct for 150 million years. And I'm trying to think of the name of the article but it was something about like high voltage something causes for gene regression back into an extinct phenotype the same thing with the corn where corn now because of selective breeding only one ear comes off of any node they were starting to get five uh ears off of every node which is how corn used to be back before the selective breeding.

The rainbow trout was the most interesting one. It started, it was more stocky. It had a broader jaw, better color. It didn't need antibiotics, and it resembled a rainbow trout that's been extinct for 150 years. So maybe what was really happening all that long time ago was electrostatic storms or something? Maybe. I mean, like, there's ago was electrostatic storms or something. Maybe. I mean, like, there's something about the regression of genes, though, back into extinct species. And, like, I don't exactly know how that would relate.

So for that, my understanding is that chickens, for instance, there was, I watched where they said, like, they could actually grow teeth in chickens by injecting an enzyme into, when it's like in the egg in an embryo or whatever. And it's because at some point in the evolutionary process, the chicken stopped producing this enzyme. And then, you know, what came first, chicken or the egg? But the new evolution was that the enzyme was less. So the teeth didn't happen. And so by reintroducing it, the code for that still exists. It's just not being expressed. Yeah, yeah. it's crazy stuff totally totally and there's there's something about that and i like do you do you think how much hybrid creatures do you think militaries and in

with black budgets are oh i bet they've gone nuts right there's chimeras yeah so there was this um one so there's a video and i'll have to i'll send you guys the link of it it's this woman named ulrika granocher she's german um she was really into the work the russian scientists of peter guy i have um she did this for the solari report report.com and it was this video where she showed there was this um I think it was a Japanese guy, and he used this dodecahedron-shaped cauldron. And so he took the genetic vibratory imprint of ducks, and he irradiated a chicken egg with it. And that chicken egg, once hatched, started having features of the duck. And he reversed it and did the same thing the other way around.

So, like, I i mean i don't know where that's gone but you know they didn't just you know governments around the world didn't just go oh that's interesting let's just forget it you were talking about ghost what was it ghost dna uh how did you well is the phantom dna experiment that was peter gayaev where he put dna into a vacuum tube they irradiated it with photons with a laser. Those photons then aligned themselves to the double helix structure. Then they removed the DNA. They removed the glass beaker, everything from there. And they looked at that same spot, and the photons were stuck in place for a month.

So the photons, these tiny particles of light, were still stuck. And they call that the phantom DNA experiment. Iona and Alan Miller said this can only be explained by wormholes. What? So the DNA apparently has microscopic wormholes that brings in its vibratory informational imprint from either outside of space-time or elsewhere in the galaxy. Beyond the veil.

Beyond the veil. Well, I would love to know what's beyond the veil, but how about we take some super chats and we'll ask the people what they think lies beyond the veil well i would love to know what's beyond the veil but how about we take some super chats and we'll ask the people what they think lies beyond the veil don't forget to smash that like button subscribe at the notification bell and go to timcast.com become a member because we always have those amazing exclusive members only segments that will be up sometimes even full episodes but uh again smash the like button let's read what y'all guys have to say oilers workshop says how have you not talked about bill gates being the largest owner of farmland in the u.s yet also i make hyper real

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Yeah. This is really, really great. When you mentioned William Casey, I knew that someone had a super chat already. Right when we started the show, Enlightened Worm said, William Casey, CIA director, 1981, 1987, quote, We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false. And then he mentions Brennan, but I'm not going to read what he said about him. But yeah. Not complimentary.

Make 1984 fiction again, says, says, give Ian the keys he said about him. But yeah. Not complimentary. Make 1984 fiction again says, says give Ian the keys for this one. Oh yeah. I mean, absolutely. Code red says studio upgrade recommendation. Create a lab space for Ian in his area so we can do experiments during the show live and get him a lab coat.

Spin the gorilla. He needs a lab coat for sure. Yeah. We can't spin the gorilla. Soft shell crab says, what do you think? What do you all think is causing the increase in gas prices? That one's easy. It's Keystone

Pipeline getting shut down. Because Keystone got shut down, there are speculators who believe the cost of oil is going to rise, so that creates demand, which causes the cost of oil to rise, and then everyone else has to pay the price for it. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

Tbrat brat says this has been bothering bothering for a while after the months of riding in the hundreds of police cruisers that were destroyed how many of those squad cars had a service rifle long gun still in the car and how many didn't get destroyed but were taken it's a good question man yes we'll find out no idea enlightened worm says i loved the fourth turning scary but enlightening you know that there was a there's another researcher vice interviewed him in 2010 i think they interviewed him in 2010 and he said by 2020 there will be major conflict it will be a crisis there will be violence in the streets and he went into detail and then vice wrote a follow-up they were like 10 years ago

we talked to this guy and he was right that's crazy stuff man a lot of people have predicted this all right the god pill says amc and gme will become the new and only valuable currency on the market after this crash shame on tim pool and his gang for not having a larger voice in the last 30 days of war doesn't matter we made it to the finish line god is good it's never too late to join i thought about how funny it would be if like currency after the crisis is GameStop stock because people are buying it like crazy as a meme. And then you have to wonder like if the stocks are, you know, essentially unique per item, you know, each stock is unique.

It won't be recreated unless there's like the corporate board or whatever. If people are holding the physical stock certificate the company's wiped out and everything's over and it's like people are trading these stock certificates it would function no different than a fiat right so theoretically we could have a gamestop stock backed economy true wouldn't they stand to lose like 70 billion was? Was it something like that? The hedge funders? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they did lose $70 billion or something like that. Oh, they did?

Maybe not that much. I don't know. Okay. It's been a while. Yeah. Eric Miller says, history does rhyme. Check out the similarities between Trump and Teddy Roosevelt and the similarities between Woodrow Wilson and Biden.

I'll tell you, man, I have a fear that Biden is basically like our Buchanan. He's going to be a very weak and pathetic president. I think you brought this up before, Ian. Trump was this very bombastic and loud president. We're now in the Biden era where he's not doing a press conference. He's not doing an address to the joint session of Congress. Gas prices are going up. He's saying, we're not going to get you the checks that we promised you. It's not going to be two grand. It's gonna be fourteen hundred. Oh, now it's gonna be means tested. Biden is actually going to give money to less people than Donald Trump did. And Democrats are like, what is this? So what happens when four years of Biden

completely demoralizes the populist left? Trump comes back swinging hard and then wins. And then you get the crisis period where the establishment media is screaming the end is nigh, The populace left. Trump comes back swinging hard and then wins. And then you get the crisis period where the establishment media is screaming the end is nigh. The terrorist is a president or whatever. And then you just get that period between 2024 and 2028. That's exactly it, dude. That's crazy. The last president.

Yeah. And then we become a wokeocracy. A wokeocracy. A wokeocracy. A wokeocracy. You know, I almost... I'll be all right because, you know, I'm not white. And Luke will be all right because he's Slavic, so he's not white either. But you guys, you're all screwed. No, I'm white.

I'm 100% Japanese. I don't know if you guys noticed. I'm pink. I couldn't tell. I'm sad. Yeah. It could have fooled me. The Woodrow Wilson thing concerns me because he was like, I guess, pretty much agreed upon he was the worst president of all time.

Ben Shapiro breaks down what he thinks about the presidents and he put Woodrow at the very bottom. He's the guy that got us tangled up with the Federal Reserve and basically sold us out. Most fascist U.S. president. If Biden's like that, I'm terrified. Who? Al Gore. Oh, yeah. Al Gore was so bad he couldn't even get elected.

Boom. All right. Sonny James says, did you ever research the cosmic treaty of Versailles? Mars had no craters to explain the xenon levels on Mars. Thermonuclear war is the only thing that can explain that. Please watch the secret space program channel. Mind-blowing. Solari report good, too.

That stuff's always fun. I don't know a lot about it, though. Catherine Austin Fitz is the one with the Solari report, and she gets into the black budgets. She was in the Bush administration. She was, I think, doing HUD or something like that. So she knows what's up. I'll tell you what I think happened to Mars really quick. You know the Marianas Trench, that giant scar across the surface of Mars?

It looks like an external planetoid. The Marianas Trench? No, that's in the Earth. Yeah, that's in the Earth. What's the giant 1800 mile trench and it looks like a scar across the planet I think another planetoid body hit Mars collided and scraped across it ripped it open it fired magma up into the atmosphere which then all the rust and the iron you know the iron peppered down back to the surface and then rusted and now we've got

this layer of iron dust all over the surface like the guts of the planet and underneath that is ocean beautiful we all we all know that an invasive parasitic species invaded Mars and And now we've got this layer of iron dust all over the surface, like the guts of the planet. And underneath that is ocean. Beautiful frozen ocean. We all know that an invasive parasitic species invaded Mars and killed off the Martians about a thousand years ago. And there were several centuries of revolt. And then it was only after, you know, astronauts from Earth went to Mars and unleashed the parasitic race that they came to Earth. And then Superman, Batman had to form the Justice League and rescue the Martian Manhunter to stop the parasites. You're forgetting about the creatures inside the sun that shot a laser beam inside of Mars first.

I'm actually referencing the Justice League. We should make a movie. Justice League joke. We should. All right. You're the producer. So this is interesting. The Grizzly says Gettysburg had Gatling guns.

They were in use throughout the first American Civil War in the 1860s. Oh, well, there you go. Okay. Nick Sweeney says the Civil War superweapon was rifling. It made guns accurate and was why Gettysburg was tragic. The God Pill says GME Diamond Hands AMC Rocket

Hedgies give me more tendies. I certainly hope so. Best wishes to all of you with Diamond Hands. Kira 13 says, Tim and Co. Been subscribed to your page ever since it came up. Where's my Alex Jones face t-shirt?

Tim and Ian having full on fights is amazing. Great. You're respecting each other's POV. Ian's deaf Akami. Hey, I just want to give a shout out. I was going to do this anyway. I'm not communist,

but you can get a copy of our pillow. If you'd like to go to Tim cast.com, communist, but you can get a copy of Our Pillow if you'd like. Go to TimCast.com click shop and you can buy your very own Our Pillow. See we crossed out the my in it and there's a revolution communist revolution fist holding the pillow. I hope you like it. It's our pillow. It's a good pillow.

It's not a good pillow, but it's our pillow. Alright, check it out. Blue Collar says Colt Navy revolver carried by Buffalo Bill to his death was cap and ball pistol also i think the only actual recorded high noon shootout in wild west shot opponent 50 yards in the heart amazing wow yeah they use dueling pistols they were like single load you know whatever it's crazy gun history is really amazing what the craziest thing about guns is how long they had them and it took hundreds of years to refine them to the point where they like developed a cartridge it's like they were using

the first gun i think was like 1340 or something long time ago and then it was just hundreds of years of like stuffing powder into a metal tube and then was it you know flintlock steel manufacturing that allowed them to like maintain the heat industrial revolution yeah so basically that's my understanding all of a sudden they could easily refine mass produce interchangeable parts all that stuff and then all of a sudden they were like look at all this crazy stuff we invented no it was fourth the fourth industrial revolution which is all about automating yep machines automated actually i've mentioned this oh oh uh sorry someone pointed out the iron clad uh i completely forgot about that. Oh, the ironclad.

One of my favorite quotes, I learned this from Civilization, is I think it was Napoleon. He said, you mean to sail against the wind by lighting a bonfire under the deck? I have no time for such nonsense. That was Civ IV, right? Yeah. Was that Civ IV? It was in all of Civilization. Leonard Nimoy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have no time for such nonsense. Napoleon also said fire under the deck Napoleon also said China is a sleeping giant and the world will quake when she awakes wow crazy just revenant says directed energy satellite weapons lasers they can shoot from space to change weather patterns or detonate fires look it up oh I believe it man because we've we've actually seen the ir lasers they already have been working on for the past couple decades it's really amazing footage you

can watch where they have this gigantic laser a massive lens and it just points at a drone and then boom it bursts into flames and then crashes if they're publicly announcing they have this yeah they must have had it for a very long time well there was a fox news article i think it was april of 2020 when the pentagon was asking for something like 120 million dollars to start putting particle beam weaponry on satellites in outer space so i mean that was just 120 million that they asked for strangely enough yeah but but like i mean i believe they already have it on there or had it on there but you know particle beam weaponry on satellites and that was um violating the outer space treaty something like

that but there's like loopholes with that same thing as ion cannons darpa wanting to put bases on the moon and and be able to use the moon for resources that's also violating the outer space treaty but there's been people forever saying like there's definite ways to find loopholes around this yeah so publius the good says good job covering the fourth turning doesn't get covered enough you should have harrison smith as a right-leaning libertarian and jacks jackson hinkley is a very left anti-corruption activist on would be a very interesting show well we'll do interesting right right ryan venturas has been have you kept up with the with what erdogan has been doing in

turkey and how he is positioning himself to become the revived ottoman caliphate in 2023 no i haven't that sounds amazing i don't know if there was something specific to your career this is why they asked you that is that okay well there you go the revived caliphate. Interesting. Man, we didn't even talk about the massive 4,000-year-old along the Silk Roads, vats of drugs with opium, poppy, cannabis, and ephedra that was shipped along the Silk Road, drugs that go back thousands of years. So Turkey was very much so implemented in where that was shipped as well. It's amazing how the history books have just written drugs out. And they make it sound like we evolved without it.

For real, dude. People were doing drugs like crazy. The anointing oil. There's this guy, Chris Bennett, really good author. He's saying the anointing oil, there was cannabis in it. A lot of the major religions started with cannabis as being like a major part of even the tree of life, some called it. The cannabis, all these visions that they had, the anointing of Christ, how you commune with God in the altar, the smoke that came from the tent of meeting. The apple of the tree was actually a nug, and it was like, don't smoke that.

You smoked it. Or some kind of psychedelic. Graham Hancock says. And then you know too much. Yeah. Whoa. What's going. Or some kind of psychedelic. Graham Hancock says. And then you know too much. Yeah. Whoa. What's going on? Knowledge of good and evil.

All right. Lisa Sybil Disobey says, Tim, I like your podcast, but a lot of your audience sounds like a bunch of angry, bitter old dolts. No better than the purple-haired feminists that are always bashing.

Maybe their own nag attitudes are why they're alone. I would like to recommend something. First, smash that like button. Second, Flash Gits has this really hilarious bit about a feminazi. And the best thing, the funniest part

is when, so it's basically this feminist, she's really annoying and she's like always offended by everything. And then it ends with her at a protest where she's smashing a cop car. And then all of a sudden men's rights activists show up and they're like, men's rights activists! And then the men's rights guy goes we want our fortunes back and then they start fighting and i'm just like that was some of the best writing ever so good all right beer star says

at the end of the civil war the iron clad ship was invented the proto battleship which was the dominant weapon till world war i II and the aircraft carrier. That's right. That played civilization. East India Corporation, was that how they started dominating as pirates? You know, I think that was physics. When Isaac Newton developed physics and the ability for long-range cannonry was when the English basically dominated and started capitalizing the globe. I know that once the Silk Road was kind of cut off and high tariffs and stuff like like that basically i think it was the english and the dutch started using the the long

way around and using ships but they became the first pirates with these heavily armored ships and they would just bang the crap out of uh india then you might be in what could the ironclads might have been used i didn't know i don't know much about that that's nuts best auntie ever says info from a friend who works for Bonneville Power Admin. Protests are planned for March 6th in Portland, Seattle, Olympia, Oregon, Oregon Coast, and Eugene. Violence anticipated. Can't even imagine what the hell they're protesting now.

I mean, they're always protesting, so, you know. Oh, Libra. Yeah, that was Facebook's currency. Yeah. That's what you guys were saying, yeah. Publish the Good says, Libra was blocked because it would have given Facebook more power than the CIA or any state bank.

Essentially, they would have controlled all of the most important emerging fields of intelligence. Makes sense. I don't want Grand Emperor Zuckerberg. No. You don't? We probably already have him. He's probably already in charge of everything because he controls Facebook. I don't know.

He seems like a nice guy. Yeah. What could go wrong? Yeah. Nothing. Now that I think about it, Zuckerberg is our friend. He does nice. Julius Caesar't know. He seems like a nice guy. Yeah, what could go wrong? Nothing. Now that I think about it, Zuckerberg is our friend. Julius Caesar was great. He says so. He's a good dude. He says so.

I love Mark Zuckerberg. I'm shivering. It's cold up here. My Facebook page has got nuked by Facebook anyway. Dude, I'll put a picture on Instagram and get 1,500 clicks, likes. I'll put it on Facebook. I'll get seven.

I don't know what is, what is wrong with that? There's only seven people on either. I'm on a black. All right. We got a good one. We got a good one. T stump says,

Tim, you underestimate the internet. It has corrupted every learning algorithm and turn them into swearing racists because people think it's funny. Remember when it was like chatbot became super racist there was this yeah yeah you remember that there was like an ai where you could talk to it and it would learn from the conversations and then eventually it just started being like racial slurs and just really offensive because people thought it was funny and they had to like shut it down because people did that was that the same one that said, because it was AI that said like,

you know, Hitler did nothing wrong, something like that. And they were just like, all right, scratch that, cut this thing off. Yeah, I think that was the one. There were a couple instances. There was another one where they had AI talking to AI and it started communicating in a language

they didn't understand. So they pulled the plug on the whole operation. Oh, it created its own language. And it was talking to other AI in its own language. Bill Burr started talking about that. He was just like, unplug that thing, unplug it. He's like, yeah, that's the first thing you do is unplug it. All right, here we go.

Dr. Doctor says, Ian, much love, buddy, but you're completely wrong about the concept of matrix. Yes, they created a perfect matrix, and people rejected it because they wanted conflict. So the AI created a matrix that had conflict. Mother Ayahuasca has danced for me before. It was beautiful. Oh, this guy's speaking the truth. Interesting. Mother Ayahuasca.

Tillhimmer says, an idea for the Our Pillow, an optional linen pillowcase that's definitely not just another burlap sack with Vladimir Lenin's face paper clipped on it. Definitely. You could get a pillow. Yeah, we'll offer up a pillowcase edition,

and it's just another burlap sack. Just stick the burlap sack in the other burlap sack. There you go. Deluxe. Made out of human hair. Special edition. The God Pill says, Check it out.

I'm pretty sure I'm Jesus. No visions, no talks with God. But I'm taking this market crash and coming out on top. I worked hard to know what I know. Crypto going to zero with most other things. God is good are amazing sound of gamestop amc gang and then he put a bunch of gorilla emojis he then goes on to say life is easy smoke weed by gme attendees just as long as whatever you're doing is legal that's right anything about tech says strass and how argue we need crises to renew our society covet being elevated to full crisis status undermines our ability to face and resolve our true crisis.

Globalists take over in China and we risk a dangerous civic order implanting wokeism. I completely agree about wokeism coming soon. Robert Miller says, why do people think only humans can reach peaceful cooperation? I'm anthropocentric to think it's anthropocentric to think only we are special to reach that conclusion as if alien races wouldn't reach the same logical conclusions. Interesting. All right, let's see. It's going to jump on us because of what YouTube does with the super chats. Bees have done it. Have done what?

Well, they just seem to have this kind of like hive mentality where they they they all agree on their task ants do the same thing and they'll keep going on and until the queen dies almost as if the queen is the wormhole what happens when the queen dies they don't know what to do and then they die as far as ants no like as far as i know they just they they kind of go into a chaos period maybe they elect a new one. I don't know. But it's almost as if, and they've speculated that the queen is the wormhole, like the DNA wormhole where all their information is coming from. Because their queen can be captured and taken far away. If it's alive, they'll keep doing their job.

Wow. Think about that one. Benzen says the reality of ESP by Russell Targ. Great book goes in depth into the CIA program and the MIT research into remote viewing and the keys on how to learn and develop the skill. The book brings a different view on what consciousness is a good read. Rob Graff says a thousand people on any psychedelic drug except DMT. They will all have different experiences. A thousand people on DMT and their experiences are eerily similar. That's crazy. That's why i'm so fascinated by dmt and i think most people are because we're wondering now is like are people actually breaking through some kind of dimensional barrier and seeing some kind of alternate reality

or the real world that's what i'm thinking like you were saying that it it you take it and it jazzes you up to something but i was wondering if you take it and it jazzes you up to something. But I was wondering if you take it and it actually slows you down so that you can experience reality. And this is the fake. This is the mask. Space and time do not seem like they're the same thing in that realm. So potentially the same place that the DNA, the wormhole draws its information from, maybe you're going outside space and time. The quantum realm, you look into Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose saying that psychedelics bind with the tubulin and the microtubules and send your microtubules into quantum coherence, meaning it's resonating at Planck scale. So you're probably shamans and people on psychedelics are picking up on patterns from the Planck scale, which does not follow physics.

And it doesn't, you know, there's retrograde causality. There's non-locality, which literally means not anywhere specific. Yeah, not classical physics. It's all potential, you know, rather than specific. I'm going to say something that will make the audience mildly perturbed. I had a conversation with a source of mine who told me about some coming technology that will melt people's brains when they hear about it. But it's some crazy stuff.

It's crazy stuff. I can't say what it is, though. Confidential sources. You've peaked my interest, man. I know. And now everyone's like, what is it? I must know. It's like, dude, it's crazy stuff.

All right, let's see. Music DC guy says, about governments experimenting on animals. Look up the monkey men attacks in 2001 in Delhi, India. People were attacked by a monkey the size of a man that they say had metal claws and a metal helmet with lights. I believe it. Like a cyborg monkey? I mean, how hard it would be to inject a monkey with a bunch of crazy hormones and chemicals and manipulate its DNA to make it really, really big. And surgically attach. And then, you know yeah metal claws to it and then it breaks out of the facility and like you are planning on unleashing a bunch of gigantic

monsters on your enemies and then it breaks out of your lab i bet they do all sorts of really nasty stuff mitch stew says ben stewart can we take a 23 and me to see if we are related? I will rewatch this convo with greater intent. I'm busy red pilling a girl that I've been talking to. Ah, very important. Very important work. Let me just say, don't do 23andMe or Ancestry. Ancestry was taken over 75% by Blackstone. The rest is owned by China.

23andMe, I don't know where that data goes, but you just email me. Ben at benjosephstewart.com. There you go. Chris Crow says, best show I've watched from you guys this far. Well, if you do think so, share this episode with all of your friends and tell them how awesome it is. And make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're going to do a bonus episode. I think we'll be talking about ghosts in outer space. Yeah.

It's a little bit hyperbolic, but you'll see. Andy Mack says, did you guys get the table? Yes, we did. Oh, my gosh. So cool. That was neat. Yeah. All right.

Let's see. Kara May says, I accidentally did DMT in the middle of my first semester of nursing school. Needless to say, I was unveiled to the tyranny running the show and woke me up to mathematics. Interesting. How accidentally? There's so much mathematics. That's crazy. I have many questions. And how accidentally, yes. I'm perturbed. Did you trip and fell onto the pipe? Yeah, that's probably what it was.

Baka Fett says Starship Troopers 2021. We were just talking about that. We were just talking about that. Insectoids. Why are they doing? And Doogie Howser. We have to, you know, shout out to that. He hates the way you call him that, by the way. Neil Patrick Harris. You call him NPH.

Shout out, Neil. Bloodlust says, I hate to mention another channel on your stream, but check out Garden of Eden by Lucifer Means Lightbringer. Garden of Eden is most likely another steel fire from the God story, but instead the stolen fire is viewed as a sin, not as a good thing. Hmm. Hmm. Interesting. Dan Gingrich says the House just stealth passed H.R.

8 and H.R. 1 4 4 6 and the mainstream media is completely quiet on it. They're up to something really nasty. This needs looking into. I don't know what those bills are. Oh, man. You know, they're no. I just saw they were passing on.

H.R. 1. Lydia. Yeah. H.R. 1 is the voting. We're talking about H.R. 1. It's about voting rights and it's not good at all. They're doing too much. Yeah, they were passing on some crap. Can you just say HR1, Lydia? Yeah. HR1 is the voting bill. We were talking about HR1.

It's about voting rights and it's not good at all. They're doing too much, in my opinion. All right. Isaac Hanshaw says, hey, Tim, I just quit my job and started the Liberty Initiative. I would love to talk with you about it. What is the best place to reach you at? Who would have thought we live in a dystopia? SpinttheUFO at gmail.com.

That'll be good. SpinttheUFO at gmail.com. That'll be good. Spend the UFO at gmail.com. Pass it on. Julie Simone says, hi, guys, for some of the coolest recent science on anti-aging. Check out David Sinclair. He was on Rogan. Maybe you guys can have him on the on the new show. Ian will need his lab coat for this for sure.

I love David Sinclair. He's out of Harvard and they've been working with nicotinamide mononucleotide, NMN, resveratrol, and, well, derived from berberine metformin, a type of diabetes medicine, in conjunction with intermittent fasting. And they're getting incredible results out of animals, like, life extension-wise. Very cool. Well, then, let's read a couple more. We'll read a couple more.

Let's see. Nathan Slatton says, MTG for life. And i had to read that because no i don't play i did get those bob ross lands though so magic the gathering unveiled bob ross land cards and it is amazing i had to buy them i think mechanically the game is sound but they've just gone nuts yeah it's gone absolutely crazy pay to play uh let's see psycho dwarf says i'm listening late imagine a race that didn't develop mechanical joinery everything in their tech is joined with adhesives that'd be really weird super strong adhesives for like building a rocket no mechanical jointing might not work as well that'd be really really weird be adaptive yeah Yeah. To liquid metal. Well, to like vibrations and stuff like that.

Maybe. All right. Dan on SS. Well, thank you for thoroughly depressing me. Can you offer any hope? No, I can't move to the middle of nowhere.

I mean, if you live in a city, the cities are already dystopian. So I don't know, make the best of it, I guess. I don't know. I think personally,

there's a lot of hope as, as crazy as all this stuff that's going on sounds. I'll just say this. When I was talking to a bunch of people, I even met with Aubrey Marcus, and he found this to be the most fascinating part of it. When everyone was saying the 2020 crash is going to be the biggest, what do I get into Bitcoin? Do I get into the dollar? Do I just buy a bunch of food? What do I do?

And every one of these thought leaders said community. Every one of them said, community is the number one resource you're going to want to have because it will cover all those other bases. So don't lose hope. Yeah, and bullets. And bullets, yes.

Build your community. All right, let's see. We got a couple more. Rice Ward, Reese bullets, yes. Build your community. All right, let's see. We got a couple more. Rice Ward, Reese Ward, sorry. They actually made a guy read all 628 pages on the COVID bill that hit the Senate today. He's reading 100 miles an hour and still going right now. That sounds hilarious. Zip Tie says, around 1863, the CSA made the first ironclad by raising the USS Virginia and lining the outside with iron, the Merrimack.

The same year the Union made the first all-iron warship, the Monitor. After their first battle, all other navies were obsolete. That's amazing. I remember hearing that they just shot at each other for hours and neither boat would sink. I don't know if it was hours, but that's how the battle went. Simple Caleb says, hey, everyone, if you were 22 years old right now, what industry would you get into for work? Would you do what you are doing now? Would you pursue a new emerging market?

I have no idea what I'd be doing if I was 22 right now. I know what I was doing when I was 22. I think I was skateboarding and playing guitar in the subway. You know what i would say i mean everything that i've been looking at with where we're headed with the reskilling and you know long gone are the days where you have a job for 30 years and then you retire it's gonna you're just gonna keep needing new jobs that's what the world economic forum is saying um i would say like definitely moving digital content like online content is all is definitely going to be in demand more and more and more so like i mean coding yeah for sure but i would say get into something that you're passionate about that'll

make sure you have longevity and something with online content i i'm definitely biased because that's what i'm into but it's it's replicable you know you can make one piece of content and replicate it a million times for free yeah Yeah. So, but definitely look in that direction. Right on. Or get into knitting. My friends, smash the like button. Smash that like button if you haven't already. Subscribe at the notification bell.

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