Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #238 - China May Teach Masculinity, REJECT Changing Gender Roles w/ China Uncensored

Episode Date: March 6, 2021

Tim and Lydia host Chris, Shelley, and Matt from China Uncensored YouTube and podcast to discuss China's teaching young boys masculinity, the forced human organ harvesting of Uyghurs in China, the American negative view of China, Joe Biden's terrible diplomacy, how China manipulates the US, and whether the current struggles in the US is a new Cultural Revolution.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yesterday, we were talking about something called Strauss-Howe generational theory. And according to that theory, which was developed some time ago, about 25 years, they say that we are in the fourth season, the winter period, where we'll be entering some kind of crisis. On that show, we talked a lot about what that crisis may be, and we should be in the peak of it. So perhaps it's some kind of internal conflict here in the US. But there's also something called Thucydides

Trap, which suggests we may be looking down the barrel of war with China. Strassau generational theory could be predicting that maybe the crisis we face is World War Three or some kind of large international conflict. And that may be China. So one of the we have a bunch of different stories pulled up, one of which is about China wants to teach young men masculinity because they're scared about changing gender roles. And it's something very different than what we see here. So maybe the crisis we're facing is multifaceted. Well, we're gonna talk a lot about China today and what's going on with the Biden administration, what's happening in the South China Sea and Taiwan and Hong Kong and pineapples, apparently

getting bought up like crazy because war can be weird. And we're joined today by the crew from China Uncensored. So why don't you guys just introduce yourselves and let everyone know who you are. Hey, Tim, good to be back. I'm Chris Chappell, the host of China Uncensored and America Uncovered. I'm Matt Gnaizda, the producer of those shows. And I'm Shelley Zhang, the humor ninja of those shows.

Official title. Official title title i like it so we're going to talk uh just a lot about china i guess it'll be the friday what's happening with china episode i suppose and i think it's it's probably important too i'm glad you guys came because before joe biden got elected there were a lot of questions about what we might see under a biden presidency with policy towards china And you guys were mentioning that some of the people he had in his transition team were very favorable, friendly towards what China had done, what they would do. Probably doesn't sound all that good for us. So we'll get into all this stuff. Before we do, however, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, because we've got a ton of exclusive members-only posts. When you become a member, you provide that safety net in the event that we get banned banned because it's entirely possible we do we got we got a ton of really awesome guests though

we've got exclusive segments and episodes with people like ben stewart jack murphy ryan long cassandra fairbanks we had james o'keefe sydney watson and you can even see this one right here look at that i'm holding up the official our pillow prototype something i know all of you are very excited for so make sure you go to timcast, become a member, and don't forget to like, share, subscribe. If you really do like this show and you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, leave us a good review. It really, really does help. Let's talk about this first story. And before we started the show, I asked you guys if you knew a lot about the gender role stuff, the culture war stuff.

And in the context of China, I think it's really, really fascinating what's happening in Southeast Asia in general, because I think, Shelley, you mentioned like K-pop and stuff and how they're kind of worried about it over there. Let me read a little bit from this article from NBC News, and then we'll just we'll talk about it. NBC reports China proposes teaching masculinity to boys as state is alarmed by changing gender roles. Boys in China traditionally are expected to be strong leaders, get good grades and excel at sports. But the gender balance in China is changing. They say they start with this like I hate when journalists do this out with a story.

No one invited Bu Yunhao to be in their group for the annual class trip. The other fifth graders at Shanghai Shangdi Experimental School made fun of the 11 year old, calling him too girly. Quote, I wanted to run School made fun of the 11-year-old, calling him too girly. Quote, I wanted to run away right out of the classroom, said Yunhao, now 13 and a first year middle schooler in Shanghai. Some of his classmates made fun of his high-pitched voice and the way he screamed when he tried to maintain discipline among his fellow students as a class monitor.

Others teased him for spending so much time with the girls and said he acted like he was trying to date the other boys in the class. The bullying eventually stopped, but a recent announcement by the government that singles out boys who don't fit traditional Chinese ideas of masculinity has revived the painful memories. The plan to, quote, encourage masculinity in male students has inflamed a debate over modern gender roles as China's government increasingly emphasizes what many consider to be outdated and damaging stereotypes for men and boys. I think it's interesting because that perspective is wholly American. Like in America, it's very much I'm reading the story and it's like if that happened now,

there would be a PSA. They'd bring in bully experts and then say, no, no, no, no. It's OK that he's effeminate and things like that. But it also reminds me of that commercial that we saw out of China a while ago where they put the black man in the washing machine and he comes out as Chinese. People in the United States were outraged. How dare you? You're so racist. People in China laughed and didn't seem to care at all. So I wonder what your guys' thought. I don't know whoever wants to jump in about the gender roles in China and what you guys think is happening. Well, one thing that jumps to mind is back in the cultural revolution uh it was sort of the

opposite where they were making an effort to like completely eliminate any kind of gender like the women had to dress in uh almost like military attire very baggy had to have short haircuts uh any kind of display of femininity was not allowed. Similar now, I guess, right? Well, I think the women are allowed to be and encouraged. And that reminds me of the guy who was found out to have 100 mistresses. I think he wanted them to be very feminine still. He got executed, by the way.

Wow. Well, that escalated quickly. It did. Well, I mean, there's also a lot of corruption. So it wasn't just that. It was also the three metric tons of cash they found in China. Oh, okay, okay. I thought it was like a guy who was like, I want a bunch of women. Off with his head.

No, no word on what happened to the women. I'd believe it, though. Yeah. I don't know where the mistresses are. But yeah, Shelley, you made a good point about sort of the influence of South Korea on China. Yeah, I think the thing is that with the growing like K-pop, K-dramas, like this whole Korean wave coming in, like there has been kind of more like the more effeminate kind of male has been like the ideal in movies and music and all this stuff. And it's affected China a lot. And in response to the Chinese Communist Party tried to basically have their own patriotic boy bands.

Patriotic, they love that word. Yeah, and then it didn't quite work well. But they're trying to basically use Chinese culture to fight this incoming Korean popular culture that they didn't like and then you've also got this so like in chinese the word for like the type of like effeminate like male like these like really pretty young men is called like small soft meat like small tender meat so that's so that's become like super hot and then the chinese communist party is like that's not

masculine enough meanwhile the chinese communist party is like, that's not masculine enough. Meanwhile, the Chinese Communist Party is making movies like Wolf Warrior, right? Like they want like the Chinese Rambo. It's really weird, though. I mean, they're communist. And then in the United States, the right criticizes all of this stuff by saying those trying to strip away masculinity are communist. Right. So we had Jack Murphy on the show recently, and he went, you know, he went on this tirade about Marxism is inherently anti-masculine,

because they want to get rid of the patriarchy and things like that. But how does that make sense that the Communist Party of China wants strong, burly, masculine men, and they're literally the Communist Party? It's like's like well there are different different tactics to communism and in a communist country like china they want a big fearsome military that intimidates other countries uh china is definitely gearing up for the day they invade taiwan they've been very open about wanting to invade taiwan they've said this for decades. And so I think this is partially a response to like creating an image internationally of like this is a fearsome military force

that will be able to take Taiwan. Don't mess with it in the South China Sea. But is this of anything to do with what's happening in the US? Are they responding to what's happening here? I know you guys mentioned Korea, right? Isn't a lot of what happens in Korea related to, you know,

they want to sell to America. They like the culture that America exports. They try to adopt certain things like that. Like boy bands weren't invented in Korea. Yeah.

I don't know if they were invented here in America, mind you. I don't know. Well, K-pop, they definitely were obviously inspired by the american music industry but i think they've been fairly unsuccessful at really penetrating the u.s market outside of like uh like gong bts or like gangnam style which was but sai isn't like

he's not the typical he's not bts right he's as serious. It's like very hokey and silly and like he's making fun of it kind of. Yeah, so I don't know you can say that like that Korean style is appealing to the U.S. because it really hasn't done that yet. Yeah. Even though there's a lot of good K-pop out there. No, but I mean like is Korea trying to be like the U.S. in terms of how pop culture works, right? They're emulating. A lot of countries do this.

America has some kind of pop culture phenomenon and and then they emulate it. I mean, we emulate a bit of the British stuff, too, when we've had various different artists come from the UK. I'm just wondering if China's reaction to this and the things they're doing is countering the United States, right? Like I was saying about the communist thing, are they looking at the US and being like, we're going to do the opposite of what the US is because the US is bad. and being like, we're going to do the opposite of what the U.S. is because the U.S. is bad? Kind of like how tribalism works. I actually think they're kind of trying to do the same thing that the U.S. did but in the 80s. They want to use soft power to project the way that American Blue Jeans or I brought up Rambo, right? Like U.S. or Top Gun, like these type of like movies that like celebrated.

They love Top Gun in China. Like this kind of masculinity, that kind of like power, like that appeals to the Communist Party because that seems like it's like, oh, then you have the power to like, Wolf Warrior was about, you know, these Chinese soldiers who went to rescue Chinese citizens

who were, you know, in Africa, right? So like they were, you know, these Chinese soldiers who went to rescue Chinese citizens who were, you know, in Africa. Right. So like they were, you know, the whole idea was like the motherland will never leave you behind. Like it was this like whole like very patriotic. Yeah, it's like 80s. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole idea like the Communist Party uses the propaganda of the century of humiliation constantly. The idea that, that you know foreign forces

have humiliated the west and so china needs to be strong we need to be strong and fight against uh the hostile foreign forces so what do you think the sentiment among the chinese people is though i mean it doesn't really sound like the communist party is communist that's a big conversation there so you know there's a lot of elements to communism and a lot of people think, oh, communism is about the government says, here's what products have to be made and who does what jobs. Right. And I think that's true. But that's only, you know, 5% of what communism is. You know, ultimately, communism is about power and control for the Communist Party.

And so they'll use these ideas of creating a utopia on earth and and you know you know how it goes uh it ends up you know they promise equity they promise equality uh and ultimately you know some animals are a lot more equal than others that is the leadership of the party um what we see in china is a there's a lot of capitalism going on in the sense you have a lot of private industry now, and you have in the last 40 plus years since the Geiger Kaifeng, the reform and opening up from started in 1978, huge explosion in private industries. But the reason China is still completely a communist country is number one, the Communist Party actually controls all those private

industries. So you've got, you know, Alibaba, you know, the Dalian Wanda, the film company, you know, any company has to have a Communist Party branch in the company that's even funded by a company. And they're involved in big decisions that are happening in the company. In fact, even foreign companies that go into China, like McDonald's, Ikea, they all have party cells in the country by law.

They have to have party cells in the company. And so there's that control of private industry. On top of that, you've got some of the biggest industries in China that are directly state-owned enterprises, steel, coal uh telecommunications some of the construction so so that element is communist uh and then on top of that you've got the sort of communist uh legal system which is that they don't have the kind of legal system

we think of here you've got obviously the rubber stamp congress uh but you also have the way that they rule is not through rule of law they have uh they rule through these mass political campaigns which is you know a whole other topic but like simply put you know xi jinping will say something like you know we need to improve the quality of public toilets in China. And then like everyone in China has to get involved in like sprucing up these things. And some local officials go nuts and they build these like, you know, million dollar golden toilets, you know, for foreigners. Look how great we're following this policy, this political, but it's a political campaign. You know, private companies

have to do it, local officials, and you get promoted based on how well you follow the policy. And even if the policy is ludicrous, or even if you take it to an extreme, that doesn't matter because, you know, you're, as a local official, you're not accountable to voters. You're accountable only to the higher-ups who are giving you your position so in that sense it's it's still completely communist even though you it seems to have the elements of capitalism who was it michael bloomberg who said something about how xi jinping has uh constituency has to oh he's not a dictator right yeah he's not a dictator yeah all right so so he doesn't you say he doesn't have voters mich Michael Bloomberg disagrees, sort of. I mean, is there a possibility that if the people are upset, Xi Jinping will not be in power? Well, that's the Uyghurs.

I don't think that, like, but, like, there is, like, there is this, you know, this whole populism versus the elite thing that's happening basically all around the world. In China, the Communist Party is like uniquely positioned to take advantage of it because they're a communist party. So they already say, you know, it's the people's this, the people's that. But Xi Jinping has specifically made an attempt to be a populist leader within the Communist Party even. So he'll do things like his anti-corruption campaign, which was really about kind of getting rid of his political enemies. But a lot of it was positioned as like, we're getting rid of like the excessive, like, elite communist members who are just, you know, wasting money and drinking and having mistresses and this kind of stuff. And

then he'll be photographed, you know, eating steamed buns at like an ordinary restaurant with the common people or like, you know, these kind of like very- He's a guy you could have a baijiu with. Yeah, like he's a guy you could eat a steamed bun with. It's like very like Maoist in that way where it's like man of the people type of propaganda. So he's making a specific play to become the populist

leader i think probably partly because of the the power struggle that's going on within the party so he kind of understands that like having he needs to have you know the ordinary people on his side quote unquote yeah well that's what drove the cultural revolution mao was kind of on the outs he used the love of the people particularly the psychotic young youth activated them and then he was back in power basically so it's powerful do regular people in china like generally speaking the communist party or xi jinping well they'll certainly say so publicly it's hard to really know what the opinion is because there there is no forum that they can really actually clubhouse was kind of an interesting example of um maybe some signs of dissent like clubhouse uh there were mandarin

language chat rooms that would like very very quickly fill up to like their 5 000 person max capacity and this was like for a very brief window i think it was only about a week or so the clubhouse like less it was a weekend it was a weekend brief window. I think it was only about a week or so. The clubhouse was a weekend. It was a weekend. Shut it down. It was just like this little bit of crack where people inside mainland China could have actual uncensored access to the outside world. Wow.

And they were talking about Xinjiang and the Uyghurs and the concentration camps and all this stuff. They were hearing from Uyghurs. They were hearing from people in Hong Kong and Taiwan and so I think that was a that's a sign that people in China are aware on some level that they are being starved of information yeah and they're going for it but also people on clubhouse like you're talking about you know wealthy Chinese people or upper upper middle class yeah not rural farmers you know yes exactly I mean, my experience mainly with overseas Chinese people is that they've generally been seem to be positive towards the Communist Party. And I think that's a lot of times because you have a very small subset of people that end up making it to the United States. And the reason they got their wealth so they could come here is actually because they had connections within the party.

And many of them were party members themselves. And so you've got like a very small and non-representative subset of wealthy or influential overseas Chinese who are saying, we like the Communist Party. Or they say, oh, maybe there's a few issues, but basically it's been really good for China. Well, you're talking about the people who have come here within the last like 10 years. Last 10 years. Right. And so, but then you have like, if what you're really talking about is the other 1.3 billion

Chinese people, you may have a very different perspective. And I remember, Shelley, when you were talking with blind Chinese rights lawyer, Chen Guangcheng about what was on the ground in China. Yeah. And he talked about how, you know, many people are very fed up with the chinese communist party they just cannot express it online because they know i mean people have been arrested in china for calling xi jinping a steam bun for example or winnie the pooh right yeah yeah so it's not it's not a joke that like people are seriously getting in trouble for what they say online yeah yeah well it's happening here

now just in different ways i think it's interesting how we've basically just outsourced censorship very different from what they do. I mean, for them, it's the Communist Party that dictates censorship, right here. It's just, oh, we can't interfere with what the monopoly wants. So now you look at how all the conversations here are being controlled. It seems like there are there are parallels, not completely identical, but still similarities where people are getting, you know, it's getting worse and worse here. Well, Tim, they're private companies. They have the right to, you know, monitor their own businesses. Don't you support billion dollar conglomerates like Google? See, that's the issue.

It's always the centralized power. If we give all the power to the government, you'll end up with a similar problem. However, we have a bill of rights in this country. So there give all the power to the government, you'll end up with a similar problem. However, we have a Bill of Rights in this country, so there's at least that to protect us in the event that in the U.S. we say, okay, we're going to nationalize or regulate these companies. But you'll still run the risk no matter what the supreme power is, the centralized, unified authority. No matter what it is, it's going to tell you you can't do things it doesn't like. Well, I mean, the foundation of the United States is the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So it's a system in place to prevent the elite from getting too much power, because what always happens is the people who become elite think they should have more power and have a general disdain for all of us other schlubs. Yeah, but they know better than us, Chris. Shouldn't we let them tell us what to do and what to think? My problem with the elite is they don't recognize that I should be amongst them. Yeah, right? That's fair, yeah.

Jerks. I know. I have a very high IQ, I'm sure. My mom told me. Yes. Yeah, well, to a certain extent, I mean, the Communist Party is just the elite. The people who choose to join it, they're doing so because they know they will get the elite ranks, the privilege, the access. They use the same line that communism has used all along, that there's class struggle.

The world would be a better place if there weren't this group oppressing everyone else. And so they are the people. And then they kill everyone. Oppress everybody else. Well, they are the people. And then they kill everyone. Well, they kill the bad people and then take over. And then obviously since they're the good guys, they can do whatever they want. Everyone has to come out of the line. And it's hard when you get into power on the premise that you're fighting those in power. Because then you don't want people to fight the power when you

become the power right well then they just have to come up with a group to target right so you know you target the students in 1989 and they become the the pariahs and you massacre them there's always some enemy to fight right in the late 90s the enemy was was fallen gong but uh you know they then killed them for their organs. And there was the Tibetans, which they've been targeting for a long time. And now that they've run out of the Falun Gong organs, they go to the Uyghur. Yeah. I mean, and actually, we had a guest on our show talking about how there's not a lot of Falun Gong practitioners in China anymore of a certain age group, because so many of them have been killed for their organs. And now the Communist Party has

just moved on to a new group to get new organs. What do they use the organs for? Transplants. For transplants. I mean, I think – For like the people they like, for party members, or people who can pay for it. It's commercial. It's commercial.

I mean, look, a human heart could be retail for $100,000, $150,000. A set of lungs, $100,000. Dollars. Dollars, yeah. I mean, so the value of a human life in China is very specific. It's about $450,000. That's how much a human being is worth on the black market of organ trade. Well, not even black market because of the point that-

It's Chinese state-run hospitals. And so what's happening with the Uyghurs, like we know about the concentration camps, right? We know about the how they're treating women and so on. But the thing that's not reported on very much is in Xinjiang, it is very likely that a lot of those people are being used as sort of a human organ bank. And when there's someone who wants an organ, they find a match from within that concentration camp system and they will do a speedy match. And there's a lot of, you know, I don't know if you want to go into it here, but there's a lot of evidence to suggest that they are in fact using Uyghurs for that.

And it's coordinated by the same system that is doing the labor camp. So it's all part of the party's plan. This is not some black market group or whatever doing it. It's a fully coordinated effort. It's the way that they subsidize their medical system because the government is not paying for it anymore. They're not paying for the medical system? It's sort of socialized health care, but that's not really a very accurate way to describe it because it's very misleading. So, well, it's socialized medical care, but it's not very good. But also, the state isn't really giving it much money.

And so it has to support itself through... The hospitals are, yeah, kind of on their own. They need to make their own money. Hospitals need to make their own money. And one of the key ways they do that is through transplants. So whenever we hear this argument that, you know, the United States is one of like three countries without universal health care or something, China actually doesn't provide that kind of coverage for people? Yeah. Well, I mean, they purport to do so.

But the problem is that like you can go to a hospital and that'll be provided, but you'll still have to pay for your own food in the hospital. You have to pay for your own nurses in the hospital. There's a lot of things about that system that don't work. You have to buy your own medicine still. It also depends on who you are and where you are. And what kind of publicity there is going on. Like during COVID, there was a lot of the the country is paying for the medical care of these people who are getting the coronavirus for everyone you know yeah okay that's different

yeah that was for americans actually yeah foreigners foreigners yep yeah you want to go well it's it's funny that you know look, we can talk about China anal swabbing American diplomats or whatever. But we are talking about organ harvesting, which is like a little bit worse, I would say. Just a little bit, huh? Yeah, yeah. Like a lot of it worse. But that system, the organ harvesting system has been going on for a long time. And as I understand it, it really ramped up in the early 2000s because they had all these Falun Gong in prison.

And so they're like, well, what are we going to do with all these people? And they're super healthy because they've been doing Qigong. Wow. You've got healthy people. They don't drink or smoke. They're in good physical shape. Perfect. Perfect.

Yeah. Ideally, you want them to be like 28. And they just – we're talking just billions of dollars. I mean, this is really about money. You see that China did ramp up the construction of specialty hospitals designed specifically for organ transplants. And this is at a time when there is no organ donation system in the country. Wow. Yeah. There's for a lot of cultural reasons and whatever, like maybe in China, all across China, like a few hundred people or at most a couple thousand people are like volunteers,

like organ donors. And the system isn't even really functional in most parts of China. So the vast majority of organ transplants are from non-voluntary donors. And they're not even executing enough convicted criminals to account for the tens of thousands of transplants that are happening every year. And so like these organs have to come from somewhere. And the reality is almost certainly that they're coming from one or more repressed groups. Falun Gong, probably the biggest, maybe Uyghurs, now Uyghurs, because there's not enough Falun Gong organs left. You know, to some degree, Tibetans and house Christians, I think. You mentioned that the Falun Gong organs left. You know, to some degree, Tibetans and house Christians, I think.

You mentioned that the Falun Gong are healthier. Is that similar for the Uyghur Muslims? They don't drink, things like that? With the Uyghurs, it seems like there is a specific, they call it a halal organ. Right, for the customers in the Middle East? Yeah, there seems to be a specific desire for that in those communities because they don't eat pork. They don't drink. Halal.

Right. And so that's why there's advertising for medical transplant tourism in the Middle East to come to China. And there's even at the airport in Urumqi, which is the main city in Xinjiang, a sort of like fast track organ line. You can Google it and find photos of this just like to speed up anyone who's boarding a plane who's carrying organs uh so they're attracting middle eastern customers who are they're very ethical customers who only want halal organs from muslims ethical very ethical because they want the halal organs yeah no and they're like perfect harvest the organs of this innocent muslim as well it's unclear if the people getting the organs how much they know there's a certain degree of willful i don't know i don't want to know yeah like it is

not possible to order an organ you can't schedule it two weeks in advance except in china you can though wait wait wait china you can schedule schedule it on a day typically about two weeks in advance. Except in China, you can, though. Wait, wait, wait. In China, you can schedule? You schedule it on a day, typically about two weeks, yeah. Have you guys ever seen the movie The Island? Yeah. Who was in it? Was it...

Leonardo DiCaprio? No, no, no. Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, yeah. And they're basically, they're clones so that when their

non-clone counterpart in the real world needs an organ, they harvest the clone. Yeah. So it's like you could order as a wealthy person be like i'm going to need that you know heart and in a few months and they'll be like okay and they always start prepping the clone for for for harvest yeah

i i wonder you know i'm not a muslim but i wonder what the actual scripture says or the teachings would say about being a muslim and then going and then having a country that is subjugating muslims taking their organs and then you as a muslim are like i'll take that organ i can't imagine that's right in like in their religion you know what i mean yeah but people within the same religions have been killing each other for centuries so i mean there's always that but i i think that the the the people who are going to get the organs i think they typically aren't thinking about the source they don't want to think about the source uh and no one is helping them think about the source and so it's just like oh i'm just going and getting a transplant and that's from a voluntary donor that is what they will be told yeah they will be told

it and like and they might have their suspicions but they don't want to think you don't want to let your mind go down that path yeah right i guess when when people are faced with death and in an organ they'll believe whatever they have to believe to justify their existence i mean but like also the western you know medical system is supporting this uh and they don't have the excuse of the fact that there's they're facing life and death because the transplantation society has willfully not looked into this and have been like uh like we don't see anything wrong happening in china and you know there's been a lot of brouhaha over china has done a lot of cutting edge organ transplants by like cutting edge oh well yeah organ transplant uh research a lot of like the bleeding edge research

yes bleeding and so it's like you know the a lot of the new drugs that are coming out that make like taking organs out of people like easier like letting the organs survive longer outside the body these things are all coming from china uh in the last decade so. And it's because they're doing all of these transplants. And, you know, it's, it's like a society that doesn't care at all about the individual. That's pretty accurate. Yeah, no, it sums it up. Yeah. And unfortunately, China is trying to draw medical and scientific talent from around the world because they have access to a lot of funding, state-backed funding, and there's often not the kind of moral restrictions holding them back. Like in the U.S., for better or for worse, you have all kinds of restrictions, like stem cell

research is a huge issue. None of those kind of moral dilemmas ever hold back the Chinese Communist Party. So like Shelley was saying, they're able to make these breakthroughs in organ transplant technology because they have willing live don't uh test experiment willing yeah willing uh yeah the communist party is willing to sacrifice them for the good of the party yeah there was the guy who was talking about head transplants and how he had practiced it several times on oh yeah yeah head transplant but they can't connect nerves or anything like that he was saying he was getting real close to being able to do that which is it was failing each time but yeah yeah oh my god yeah so there's definitely a lot of really ghoulish things probably happening within the medical system what about americans if a rich

american went there had money would they be alike whatever you say sir right away here's your kidney good sir i'm sure in principle i like i have no specific uh there are some countries that have outlawed organ tourism to china because like israel was one of the first countries to do it actually uh south korea has now taiwan has i think these are there was a lot of tourism coming from like south korea and taiwan you know asia so like one but once like this started to become known and then like doctors in those regions started speaking up and being like we should not do this. But like, it's still a very under the radar issue in general. Has the world always been this way?

Or are we just in every possible conceivable iteration of a dystopian nightmare? Book burning, censorship, zealotry, communism, organ harvesting, organ tourism. It's like all of these stories, not just here in the US, but around the world. And it's like, it's like every single nightmarish dystopian novel has come into existence at the exact same time or around the same time. It does make you think like it's always been this way. Well, it's it's it just shows like an inability for people as a whole to really stand up to these kinds of things or in very, very often what happens is they get manipulated by those in charge to go along with these kinds of things. Or very often what happens is they get manipulated by those in charge to go along with these kinds of things, to go along with the censorship, the book burning, the killing of the group, the bad group that's hurting society.

It's very easy to be manipulated. That's the crazy thing too about like in the U.S., not to derail too much off of China's internal problems. But, you know, they claimed Trump was demonizing migrants and Muslims. Well, they were demonizing American citizens. You know, that so we do see, regardless of which faction is trying to gain power, demagoguery and attacking a specific group seems to be the strong path to power. Well, it's since you mentioned that, like Xi Jinping recently U.S. is the biggest threat to China's development. And imagine if Biden said that about China or any U.S. official.

I mean, I think Trump said things similar to that, right? He got a little close. But Biden's going to be like, come on, man, you know, China, they're helping us out. They're good people. You know, he's a master diplomat. Yeah. Indeed. Yes.

Well, so let me let me pull the story up here and then we'll talk about U.S. and China. Axios reports Americans increasingly see China as an enemy. Overall, 55 percent view America as a competitor. So you were right earlier. I was wrong. You mentioned it was about 34 percent viewed as an enemy. Among Republicans, 53 percent view China as an enemy and only 20 percent of Democrats. But it's about a third of Americans see China as an enemy, perhaps not not enough for any real conflict. But at least in that regard, with China now

demonizing the United States, I wonder if this is a step towards a potential military conflict. I don't know where you guys, your views are right now between that scenario happening. Well, so for a point of context, the situation in Hong Kong, the Chinese Communist Party has been very successful at completely annihilating any trace of democracy in Hong Kong. Once Hong Kong is taken care of to the Communist Party's satisfaction, the next goal is Taiwan. And that is something that will draw in the entire world. The US has made obligations to defend Taiwan in the event of any kind of invasion. And Taiwan is a very strategic location in the region. So sooner or later, we are going to see Taiwan become a flashpoint. But it doesn't – Is Biden going to actually protect Taiwan?

Well, I don't know. I'd say no. Well, he – so he was the first president to have essentially what is the Taiwanese ambassador. It's not – they're not called an ambassador because of the one China – whatever. Yeah. But he was the first president to have this Taiwanese representative come to the inauguration. He has carried on freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea and in the Taiwan Strait. So he's done all of those things. We just he hasn't explained what his China policy is.

So in many ways, the Biden administration has said many of the right things, but they haven't done much yet. Yeah. And it is six weeks, six weeks. Right, right, right. And even the Trump administration, it took it took a while for that administration's china policy to kind of crystallize um for a variety of reasons you know looking at the uh u.s migrant crisis that's happening right now and i'm not assuming you guys know a lot about it but joe biden is getting a lot of criticism from the left

and the right it's it's typically being seen as a dramatic failure by both political parties. Obviously, there are establishment Democrats who are supportive of Joe Biden. Republican Party, Trump populist types, they're super critical, and left populists are looking at Joe Biden as though he's failing miserably in this regard, because he's not really getting anything done. He's not helping the migrants in a capacity where they'll be able to come in here and get health care and get access. Well, they're kind of coming in and being released. It's not all that great. Some are being deported. But then the Trump supporters see it as he's not doing anything to stop it.

I only bring that up because I have to wonder if that's something that we really can see and understand as Americans. We understand the border. We understand the arguments made around it. Is that a sign of Joe Biden's leadership on other issues as well, which may reflect on what could happen with China? Well, I think from things that have been said, and again, this is things that have been said and not done.

They talk about diplomacy cooperating with China. China might be a rival or a competitor, but you know, we need to cooperate with them on climate change, et cetera, et cetera. But the fundamental issue is when you look at the Chinese Communist Party as a regime that is committing genocide, and that as we can see in the case of Hong Kong lies about any promise it makes, how can you cooperate? How can you be diplomatic with this kind of monstrous authoritarian regime? So it blows the fundamental premise of what he's said. Yeah, the water, I think the

danger for the US and the Biden administration here is that they are going to want to differentiate, differentiate themselves so much from the Trump administration, that like, they have to be like, well, we are going to be diplomats, we're going to talk about diplomacy, we're going to talk about cooperation, this whole line about China being a rival, but we have to still cooperate on shared goals is one that's consistently been said by like every Biden nominee that's gone up in front of like Senate hearings or whatever. So you have to say this is the line from the Biden administration. The problem is, that's not what the Chinese Communist Party means by cooperate. The word in Chinese, it just kind of means like exchange in any way. So it could be just like the cooperation doesn't mean like we're going to both work together on climate change. It means if you want me to do something about climate change, yeah, what are you going to give up?

Like what are you going to give me to get that to happen? I don't think you're going to do anything. I think it's duplicitousness. Oh, yeah. They're not going to do it. They're going to say, don't worry, America. We got you. You give us the billion dollars and then we'll get right on it thanks to the bill and then what

billion dollars so the promise was in four decades we'll be carbon neutral yeah or like they're building more coal-fired power plants yeah right i mean we've seen we've seen challenges with cooperating with the chinese communist party in the past if you look at the george w bush administration uh they initially took a tough stance on the Communist Party. But after 9-11, they're like, well, we have to work with the Communist Party on fighting the biggest threat, which at the time was terrorism. And so the idea is we're going to work with China to fight global terrorism. And what did China do? They didn't cooperate towards America's goals on fighting terrorism.

They basically used it as an excuse to go after their chinese muslims like the uyghurs right uh the obama administration then said oh we have to cooperate with china on climate change and you know what what happened while china signed you know the paris uh agreement but but ultimately what did china actually do was build a huge number of coal-fired power plants, releasing massive amounts of carbon. They ramped up their carbon emissions while using the excuse of being a developing country. But on top of that, they also stole the renewable energy technology from US companies, wind power technology and solar technology and now if you

want to buy a solar panel uh in america you're basically buying one that's made in china from knocked off american technology and that's how the communist party cooperates on climate that is also it's also uh powered by coal right right so when they build hold on you know you're you're ragging on china coming down real hard over the the burning of this carbon and all that stuff. But they did build that big TV thing, right, that showed the sunrise. Oh, I know that picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's all the smog in the air.

You've got to give them credit for at least giving people a glimmer of hope, right? It can't just be a dreary post-apocalyptic smog wasteland. Xi Jinping promised he's going to transform China into a moderately prosperous society. So I got to say, I think I feel like the U.S. is already lost. You know, I think we're we're in a propaganda war, an information war, an economic war. And we are I don't think the physical confrontation matters as much if it comes to a point where Taiwan knows the U.S. has become too weak to actually defend it, and their option is allowed China to come in or die, I mean, I feel like they might just be like, well, we've got no defense anymore. We've got no leverage. That's it. We're

China now. It's hard to say because they know what it would mean for Taiwan is they become the next Hong Kong. And Hong Kong is looking more and more a little less like Shanghai and a little more like Xinjiang. That was a point you made the other day where it's very... What does that mean? It means like it's basically like when the Chinese Communist Party is turning Hong Kong into another Chinese city, they're not turning it into like Shanghai or Beijing, like one of their showcase cities.

They're turning it into Xinjiang, which is basically an open-air prison. Like there was like all the crackdowns in Hong Kong now, like they're basically going to essentially strip out all the democracy that existed, like no more being able to vote for people in the legislature. Like it's just they're completely dismantling it. maybe a bill that's going to come up in front of the legislature that is now completely controlled by pro-Beijing officials that would allow the Hong Kong government to stop people from leaving Hong Kong. Wow. Like so that then it really does become like a giant prison. And there is no prominent Hong Kong activists that is they're all either in jail or in exile at this point. And a lot of people we had interviewed in Hong Kong just a year and a half ago are in jail now. Wow.

Yeah. So really what happens in Taiwan will determine whatever happens with the next. But I mean, you look at you look at these American companies. That's why I say it. Was it LeBron James who came out and defended China? And then you had Steve Kerr, I think it was? Well, we don't talk about Black Lives Matter or they don't talk about black – so we're not going to talk about what's going on over there. And it's like, dude, the concentration camps.

It's a big difference. And the NBA has a training camp in Xinjiang and Disney, thanks. Yeah, we talked about that. All these industries, they make so much more money there. You got to look at who owns these big companies and their access to wealth. American companies, I shouldn't even call them American companies necessarily. They're multinational corporations at this point. And the people in charge of them are like, I'm rich.

I can do whatever I want and no one will stop me. Why would I care about anybody else? I mean, BlackRock has this whole webpage about unleashing the potential of Chinese bonds. Like, yeah. What does that mean? It means like invest your money in China. Yeah. Pump up the regime.

Yeah, you'll invest your money in China. You'll get back a good return and you will sell out everyone else into serfdom or slave labor. If China takes Taiwan, China becomes becomes a superpower it's no longer the u.s is more powerful it's it would be a tremendous loss for democracy worldwide yeah this is what uh xi jinping was saying about the you know west is in decline the east is rising i mean it's true yeah so that's uh that's but at the same time saying that the U.S. is the biggest threat to China. Yeah. So –

More like the U.S. is the dominant power around the world and it's who needs to be displaced if China has to take over. What about the EU? They'll stand up. My understanding is that the goal of the European Union was to compete with China because they saw how quickly it was rising and they needed some kind of united force they're not succeeding at that no they're not that that's yes uh and that has to do with uh the the the manufacturing and corporate power of germany in particular uh being very interested in developing relationships with china angela merkel has been very supportive of that. And they- Volkswagen went into China in like 1978 or 79, like the first Western company to go into

China. Volkswagen has a bad history. Well, all of these companies that go into China, they create a Chinese communist division within the company for the Communist Party. So if you have 50 or more employees, then you're required by Chinese law to have a party branch within your company. And this applies not just to Chinese companies but also to foreign companies. Foreign companies also have to work with a Chinese company by law. So, yeah, they need a partner.

And until recently, it had to be a majority partner, 51% majority. And so essentially the foreign company can operate operate but there are certain things that they can and can't do according to the party whims and the party is is in there with every major decision so yeah like mcdonald's having a party branch in china does like it's hard to understand like what that would really mean but when it comes to like volkswagen so their party branch is going to help arrange things like uh cheap labor for example or nike you know we'll have their party branch is going to help arrange things like cheap labor, for example, or Nike, you know, will have a party branch. And maybe there's certain political things that Nike can't say. And there's also possibly the help that they give for, you know,

you get very cheap labor from Uyghurs who don't have much choice. Well, this is why Nike was fighting against a forced labor bill that would have potentially gotten them in trouble for using forced labor in Xinjiang. Not that they were directly using it, but because of the web of how many of like, you know, you source something from this person who sorts something from this company down the line. And then somewhere along the line, there's Uyghur slave labor. I mean, it was so easy and cheap. So they decided to just do it. It's not just Uyghur slave labor. There's a lotur slave labor. I mean, it was so easy and cheap, so they decided to just do it. It's not just Uyghur slave labor. There's a lot of prison labor.

Like, there's just, like, a lot of, you know, kind of dissident prison labor. It's not just the Uyghurs. It's just that the Uyghurs are the biggest population. Right. It's very visible in a way. Because they're an ethnic minority, so you can kind of tell who they are. In one region, too. Versus just, like, well, like, so the issue with Falun Gong was they were just anybody.

They're just people who do Qigong practice. And so they blended in. They weren't like in one location. So you couldn't like see like, oh, this is the specific concentration camp where they're putting them. Right. So. This sounds horrible. Yeah.

We do not want the Chinese communist party as a superpower leading the world i don't think we can do anything i think i i is it pessimistic to say it's over what do you guys think uh i think it is pessimistic uh there has been you know we all know the trump administration was a bit controversial china was one of the few bipartisan issues um i i i would imagine the biden administration said that's reviewing the Trump administration designation of what's happening to the Uyghurs as genocide. I can't imagine it would be politically feasible for Biden to come out and say, well, you know, maybe it isn't genocide. I just can't imagine that. He came out and said, well, you know,

there are cultural differences in china and what what he said was wrong for many reasons not quite that he he has been clear about uh condemning uh what the treatment of of the uyghurs he i don't think he'll use the word genocide personally not yet yeah because like it's just like how the canadian parliament recently voted that it was genocide but trudeau and his entire cabinet basically just didn't show up for the vote. Yeah. Because they were like the government abstains. Like I can,

I can, I can actually understand and respect why Joe Biden would not do that because he needs to go in and be able to have some kind of relationship to actually have influence in a certain capacity. However, while I can understand that, and same is true for Trump, when he would go negotiate, like, why is he talking to Kim Jong-un or whatever? Like, well, what is he going to do?

Throw a bomb first? It's at a certain point, there's a line. We got to figure out how we stop these things. I mean, the gulags in North Korea are nightmarish. And the genocide and the concentration camps in in china are probably the worst possible thing you know we could imagine existing in terms of what a human could do to another human how do we stop it if we don't have a president who's willing to say that's the line the line is shouldn't the line for i don't care if it's trump or biden be literal genocide he should say it shouldn't trudeau say it? Well, as you say, it prevents them from having any kind of diplomacy, quote unquote.

But the way I see it is when you enter into genocide, is diplomacy really soft diplomacy? I mean, you can still have diplomacy to a certain degree. You could have, you know, we're sanctioning you. We're making demands. You end this now or else because this is a red line. But we have Trudeau and Biden who are like, well, now hold on there, you know. Yeah, you need to have red lines that there are consequences for crossing those red lines. And I think that's—

Well, we had all the red lines with Syria. Yeah. Well, I think with the—this is why genocide is such a touchy issue. It's if Western democracies and now the Dutch parliament has come out and also called it a genocide. If they actually start using the word genocide, then it becomes a lot harder for not just like leaders of countries to just act like China's normal country, but also, you know, Wall Street for businesses, because really, the thing that we can do to stop china is to cut off the money yeah that is they won't do it yeah you have all these special interests like i like we mentioned the nba you had blizzard the hearthstone thing with free hong kong yeah well that's free hong kong's long since passed i suppose they were there's there's an opportunity each and every step of the way for companies to say no to china and they don't do it no i think that's where it has to be like when we were talking about how people now see more and more people see china's enemy or like a like some kind of threat

like it has to be people who it has to be so bad for these companies in the u.s uh to not cut off that source of money in china or whatever that they are willing to do it like if if the if the alternative is they really like with google and dragonfly like it's such a bad thing for them that they actually have to stop like that's that's where we have to go that was a employee revolt wasn't it yeah yeah employees at google said no to the you know dragonfly dragonfly was that was yeah and good on them and i wish employees at nike and the nba would i mean if if you had you know if you had a bunch of nba star like real stars who said you know uh we got to condemn what's happening there then there there'd be enough public pressure that there there couldn't be much the nba would do

lebron james needs to call out genocide. Right. And, you know, it's fine. Like, I have no problem with basketball players using their fame to talk about political issues in the U.S. What's happening in China is so bad that, like, if you even talk about it in China, you get arrested. So, you know, you can't criticize your own government inside China. It's a very different situation. But I think the overall looking at why is the Chinese Communist Party so powerful and how have they gotten so much power in the last 20 years?

It's all because of foreign investment. It's partly just the money directly, like investing in Chinese bonds, investing in Chinese companies and that sort of thing. But it's also the foreign companies coming in, giving their technology, allowing Chinese companies to learn from and even steal a lot of this technology and outcompete these industries. And then it's us buying those knockoff products back here in the U.S. So that whole economic system is the fundamental core of that is foreign companies, especially U.S. companies engaging in that market. So to the degree that you can cut off the foreign company or American company interaction with China, that's the degree to which we're going to be

able to rein in that authoritarian power. And we have to focus there. But it's clear that even the Trump administration, which seemed to really want to do it, was unable to achieve a whole lot with that. Well, it's going to take a lot more Google dragonfly situations where people working here who have that power as employees, the empower citizens and his media to say, we're not going to tolerate our companies working with a genocide dictatorship. Also, you know,

consumers not buying products made in China, like don't go to an NBA game. Yeah. Like it has to, the other thing that the U S government could do was what the Trump administration started doing, like actually putting Chinese companies that work with Chinese military on entity lists, like blacklisting them.

So getting them delisted from the stock. Yeah. So soon there are going to be a big bunch of big Chinese companies that can't trade on Wall Street anymore. But is Joe Biden going to keep those policies going? I don't know. We don't know. Yes.

And said, I kind of feel like he's he wouldn't do that. Like you mentioned before, you know, he's going he wouldn't do that like you mentioned before you know he's going to try and differentiate himself from the trump administration so already you know we had this uh this trump put in this executive order about keeping china out chinese made you know equipment out of the u.s u.s electrical grid and then joe biden's like we're gonna freeze that rule so it's no longer in effect and review it and i I'm like, if you want to review the rule, wouldn't you leave the restrictions in place? Why would Joe Biden just say, OK, yeah, China come back into the U.S. electrical grid? I think it's a little unclear what happened and like he could potentially be using that for his advantage.

But there was sort of a blanket freeze on a lot of last minute policies by Trump, which I think is in general pretty common for an incoming president to do. And the issue is with Biden, like, so that could be, I'm so fine. He's frozen those, he reviews them. The issue with the Biden administration is it comes under this cloud of Biden personally and a lot of the people he's appointed to his cabinet, their past failures with China policy, scandals like Hunter Biden, putting this cloud over Biden that gives him the appearance of like, you should not be questioning if the U.S. president

is really going to condemn genocide. Yeah, and we are. And the other thing, too, is I think it's fascinating how they say that, you know, Donald Trump was the Manchurian candidate for Russia or whatever time it took this long. Now, he was into April. So maybe Joe Biden will still beat Jimmy Carter and give some kind of speech. But he's not given a press conference in the entirety of his six weeks. So already things seem to be a bit unprecedented. And then we had that scenario where he was talking to the Democratic caucus. And then he says, I'll take questions.

The camera shuts off. The feed ends. Now, many people on the right said as soon as Joe Biden offered to take questions, they turned the camera off. And the response from the journalists was he took the questions off camera. You're misunderstanding. You're confused. And my response is, why?

Why was he doing the session live and then took the questions off camera? That's a ridiculous excuse. Because either way, the American people deserve to see what our politicians are asking the president and what he is saying to them. When I saw that, you know, I was sitting with Jack Murphy and he was Jack was just like Manchurian candidate, like not literally just like kind of joking, like what's going on to where the president of the United States isn't doing press conferences, isn't giving a joint an address to the joint session of Congress, and then he can't even answer questions on a live stream. Who is he? What's he doing? And then you tie that into the Hunter Biden stuff, flying his son and Air Force to China

for that private equity deal. And then am I supposed to trust this president has our best interest at heart as we're entering either the Strauss Strauss, how generational theory winter or Thucydides trap. There's academics who are telling us we're in for some serious trouble and we're looking at genocide and we're looking at organ harvesting and we're looking at Hong Kong falling. Now we're looking at Taiwan. It looks like China is getting away with every single thing they've done wrong. And we're doing nothing about it. But say what, maybe some sanctions here and there?

Well, I think that 2020 was actually a banner year for the Chinese Communist Party. It didn't start out that way. It looked like the world was going to turn against them after the coronavirus. It's amazing they turned that. They turned that completely around. And now they are using that as propaganda for like how well that their system is doing compared to everybody else. More reason to cooperate with China. And I think that like the one thing the Biden administration recently came out with their interim national security policy.

And reading that, I was actually pretty worried about how they were going to deal with China because it seemed to kind of revert back to like an Obama administration era of like the whole thing that we were talking about before about like we need to cooperate still. The Trump administration specifically in their national security policy called out the Chinese Communist Party and said, you know, it's a Marxist Leninist organization said we are going to treat this the way that the Chinese Communist Party treats this, which is they said that they are in a great power competition with the U.S. So fine, we acknowledge that, you know, China says that we're in a great power competition with them. And the Biden administration want to blur the line between foreign policy and domestic policy. Like there's a specific part where they talk about how, you know, we can't just have foreign policy and domestic policy be separate. We have to, you know, if we really want to have effective foreign policy, we have to fix our own internal problems. So then that brought up like systemic racism and equity

and all this stuff. So it seems like if that's what they want to focus on domestic policy is supposed to be the legislative yeah well here we are with uh every single uh line item of china violating some kind of human rights civil rights stealing destroying we're buying back our own technology that was stolen from us and then cheaply knocked off. Built by slaves. Built by slaves. And they just keep doing it. And we just keep, you know, doting along, accepting it.

I will say I posted a meme, though, that made everybody angry. I think it was on the 20th. I said, the peaceful transition of power from the previous administration to the new administration is complete. And it was a picture of Vladimir Putin and then Xi Jinping. And I was like, there you go, whatever your political ideology is, you know, the left view Trump as this like, beholden guy to Russia. But Russia wasn't really doing all that much. I mean, sure, there's conflict over pipelines and, you know, Ukraine and things like that. Syria, perhaps. But what's happening with China really does seem to be, it could be theoretically the catalyst for some very serious major war, if we're not already in

the peak of it, which is information war. But, you know, that's why I have to wonder about the things we see in America in the culture war. Is it really in the best interest of either America or China to engage a hot war with missiles and bullets? Probably not. It never is for anybody. It's very expensive, and then you have to hope you're going to win. But information war, it's more surreptitious. It's aversive. So I wonder to what extent China is influencing our social media and manipulating us much the way they accused the Russians of doing it.

I don't know if you guys have seen anything that would suggest those kind of operations. I think it's a little different. Actually, what China has really been manipulating very successfully is an American elites. And it's almost like they don't have to do the kind of awkward like Twitter thing, right? Where they're like, having dummy accounts on Twitter and trying to influence people on Facebook. Like the Chinese Communist Party is much better at this than Russia. They just tweeted out, right like the the members of the chinese communist party are like tweeting really offensive things like they're the picture of the australian soldier or whatever they just it's it's it's uh reminds me of that simpson

simpson's bit i don't know if you guys have ever seen the episode where bart joins a boy band that's subliminally trying to get people to join the navy and the art the navy recruiter tells lisa we we recruit by the subliminal the the liminal, and the superliminal. And Lisa goes, superliminal? And he goes, yeah. And he opens the window and goes, hey, you, join the Navy. And then Lenny and Carl are like, OK. So that's kind of what I feel like when I see these high-ranked officials in the Communist Party or Chinese government officials.

Blue checkmark on Twitter, tweeting some ridiculous, absurd conspiracy theory about the election or the president. And it's allowed. They're allowed. They're allowed to do it. I'm like, there it is. That's the that's the super liminal right in your face. We're lying and we can do whatever we want.

We don't need bots. I well, so a good example of this is how China manipulates language. Matt, I'm going to pass that off to you in just a second. But like just like one example of how Chinese propaganda seeps into American discourse is going back to the Biden town hall, how he was talking about how China had the century of humiliation. They need they need to have the strong centralized core. That's Communist Party propaganda that's being parroted by the president and that's not like that's not saying he's not unique in that it's because the communist party is very good at uh taking language and changing the meaning of it yeah i mean i think it's it's

not just just that which i get to in a in a minute but the the you'll circle back to that yeah the i'm paying attention the overall idea is like you know you tim you talk about the the overt stuff uh the superliminal we're seeing on twitter which is the propaganda from the chinese foreign minister but the the real way that we're seeing that influence is actually through what's called elite capture which is the Chinese Communist Party convincing influential people around the world, including American politicians, American business leaders, American academics, and journalists. These are the thought leaders in American society. And the Communist Party.

And it may not be so obvious that they're saying rah, rah, rah communism because they're not saying it that way. What they're saying is like, well, look at, you know, China's lifted millions of people out of poverty. You know, China, you know, China is a competitor, but we need to work with them. And they've gotten people to parrot these lines, which on the surface seem reasonable, but actually they're exactly what the Communist Party wants. And they did that through a variety of influence campaigns to get these people on their side. The challenge is, like, when we hear, you know, whether it's, you know, Bernie Sanders saying, oh, you know, but, you know, China, I don't like authoritarianism, but China has lifted 700 million people out of poverty. Right. Well, it's that's the propaganda line that's making you think, well, maybe they do have some elements to their system that work. Because look how many people they've lifted out of poverty. And it is true that since 1978, hundreds of millions of people in China have gotten out

of poverty. But it's not the Communist Party that lifted them out of poverty. It was the Communist Party that put them in poverty in the first place. Ah, yeah. Right? But then how did they get out of poverty? It wasn't government policy. It was actually the reform and opening up. The Gai Ga Kaifeng of poverty? It wasn't government policy. It was actually

the reform and opening up. The Giga Kaifeng started by Deng Xiaoping in 78. And these policies gradually took the boot off of people's necks so that they could have businesses and start their own enterprises in the free market. And people lifted themselves out of poverty. And for investment. It's kind of like when it's in the summer and it's really hot and you're really sweaty. So you go under the blanket for a few seconds and then you get really hot when you take the blanket off. It feels really cool and refreshing for a little bit. Yeah. So maybe what we should do in the U.S. is have this extended lockdown where we destroy everyone's business for maybe a year.

And then after about, know two years because you know biden's saying next year is normal then we can be like look at all of the people the biden administration has lifted out of poverty he's a he's a tremendous leader starting with the bankers yes which i mean oh they came in real quick to save those folks uh and you know i mean there's nothing i'm not saying there's anything you know necessarily wrong about trying to keep the stock market from having a complete crash. But definitely there are some shortcomings in terms of the overall response. But anyway, to get to the point about like you've got the Communist Party getting people to repeat these lines. But the problem is, you know, when you hear this, you know, lifting millions of people out of poverty, you also have to realize that China now says, for example, you know, being out of poverty is a human right, right?

It's the top human right. It's the main human right. Sounds like Bernie Sanders. It's the main human right. And so a lot of people on the surface, they think, oh, well, like, yeah, like, it's so bad to be in this abject poverty. Like maybe maybe it is a human right to to have money. And, you know, you can agree or disagree on that. But that's not the point. The point is that now, you know, you've added the Communist Party has added economic prosperity as a human right.

And they've gotten a lot of people to kind of go along with it. But what you're not seeing is that they've they haven't just added on to the meaning of human right. And they've gotten a lot of people to kind of go along with it. But what you're not seeing is that they haven't just added on to the meaning of human rights. They've actually changed the meaning because China is using that instead of giving people the human rights that we consider human rights, the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You don't have the right to life when you can be sent to a concentration camper or killed for your organs or welded into your apartment so you can die yeah i mean and that's like the the fact that that's happening in china as part of their covid response shows a complete disregard for human rights a complete disregard for individual liberty liberties uh but you got a macbook yeah well i mean well

and then china says ah but we stopped covid yeah we had to weld people in their homes but we stopped which isn't true the giant bar they like wedge between the door and the wall so the door can't be opened there's one of like a woman being dragged into like this box on a pickup truck screaming the whole time yeah well i think the other thing with the the the elite capture is like you one thing that it's important to notice and i think we'll see more and more of this is you'll see people saying we need to re-engage with china there was a foreign affairs magazine article by this guy named ryan haas that was basically saying you know china alarmism doesn't help anyone like that was basically the title

sounds like mark cuban right yeah like yeah this whole idea that like oh we can't you know the mark cuban definitely the whole like china's a customer so we can't really criticize i don't want to criticize them because they're a customer but like this whole idea that like we need to like re-engage like oh the trump administration was wrong too like you know they made the conflict worse when really it was really the chinese communist party but the whole idea is that we need to now like we need to soften our stance china china is not so bad the communist party is not so bad you know yeah i mean it's just a little genocide you want to talk about that atrocious uh economist article oh yeah there

was an article in the economist after the the whole genocide thing with the Trump administration. And they said, OK, the Canadian parliament was voting that it was genocide. And The Economist ran this article basically being like, is it really genocide, though? Because, you know, when people even though the U.N. definition of genocide includes trying to eliminate a people, including by preventing births and sterilization and things that are happening to the Uyghurs in China, like that is part of the UN Convention on Genocide. Like that is defined as genocide. The economist was like, but most people think of genocide as being mass murder. So if it's not to that point yet, and we use the word genocide, aren't we kind of, you know, isn't that worse for, you know, future genocides that like now cheapen the word?

Specifically said, they're not slaughtering them as they're being butchered. The organ harvesting is just win-win mutual cooperation, cooperation on the Communist Party's terms between the Uyghurs and the organ recipients. Yes, that's right. There's an exchange going on, so it's cooperation. As long as two parties are willing in this, it doesn't matter if someone else isn't. I mean, it's a democracy, so it's for the good of the majority. Yes, what do they say, the people's democratic dictatorship? Well, if they don't view the Uyghurs as people, then there's no, as humans,

there's no human rights violation, right? Oh, no, the 56 ethnic there's no human rights violation, right? Oh, no. The 56 ethnic minorities of China are very happy. Every year they have a wonderful New Year's show where they bring them all out and have a little dance number. Or they'll give the BBC a guided tour of these alleged concentration camps. And they're singing and getting, you know, job skills. And they're dancing for the camera with bruises over their eyes.

But it's very hard for foreigners to see what's actually happening in China. I think you have to break it down, yeah. You just don't get access as a foreigner. The last time I was in mainland, which was more than 15 years ago, it wasn't even so closed off. But at the time, they wanted foreigners to be in certain parts of the big cities,

and they wanted you to be on tours, and they didn't want you to go outside of that. And if you did go outside of that, the authorities might try, get you to go back to your hotel. And now it's even more restrictive where like they're basically they keep journalists out of going to like villages where controversial things are going on. You know, essentially a foreign reporter can't possibly get into Tibet or Xinjiang anymore. So it's just like the people who are going to China, these the politicians, the business people, the academics, they're going to the cities. They're getting on these high-speed rails. They're staying in the five-star hotels. They're eating at nice restaurants. And this is the part of China they see.

And so they have a very skewed view of what China is. Okay. Well, so here's a bit of optimism for you. You're saying you're pessimistic. Yeah, Matt, that's absolutely right. It's hard for foreigners to know what's happening in China. The reason I started China Uncensored in 2012 was because everything we've talked about tonight is really not new. It's been going on for decades.

I started the show because Americans didn't know about it. Americans weren't talking about this and just thought China was like, oh, you know, developing country, it's a democracy, right? There's a president. There's a president. But now you talk about this Pew research and it's totally shifted. People are talking about the Chinese Communist Party in a way they were not even eight years ago, even five years ago. It's interesting, the president thing, because I have had multiple conversations with friends of mine who were like,

didn't know that China didn't have democracy because it's called, he's called President Xi Jinping, even though the word in Chinese is not president, it is chairman. Chairman of the state. So, like, the word that they use in Chinese to talk about Xi Jinping, there's a different word that they use in Chinese to talk about Xi Jinping, there's different

words that they use for president that they use to talk about Biden or, you know, like it's like the word is zongtong. Why do we call him president? It's propaganda. Because they started translate in the 80s. They started translating president that Zhu Xi, which is chairman as president, like officially the official translation in In China. In China. And so... It's manipulation.

Yeah, so they twist the language. Wow. Another example, I want you to tell the story about the struggle, Xi Jinping and the struggle. Oh, right. Yeah, so Xi Jinping recently gave a speech to young Chinese Communist Party members where he told them, you know, you know, you have to like really believe in the party and carry on the strong traditions and spirit of the party.

And the Chinese language in the English state run media reports, it was like, oh, yeah, and he was inspiring them to talk about, you know, how great the party is and serve the people. In Chinese, there was like the term that he kept bringing up was the term struggle, which is douzheng, which is a Marxist-Leninist, like Chinese Communist Party idea of using the dialectic, right? Like two opposing sides, and then they have to struggle. And like one has to win against. So it's like oppressed versus oppressor, or, you know, proletariat versus bourgeoisie, whatever.

So it's like, in China, like the chinese communist party will have you know in the cultural revolution you had to dojang against the counter revolutionaries like this idea of struggling against a an opposing side so in chinese xi jinping said struggle the whole time during the thing like we have to young communist party members must remember this to struggle the communist party is like tradition of struggle all this stuff completely wiped out in english because they don't want uh to make the communist party look like that so we look back at history and we know the culture revolution the cultural revolution was horrifying struggle sessions and all that stuff what was before communist china what was was it also an oppressive system? Was it was the government, you know, horrible to its people?

Well, people kind of mistakenly talk about Chinese history like it was its monolithic thing when, in fact, it was very diverse over thousands of years. And there were definitely times where the society was more prosperous and stable. There was times where it was more oppressive. Like even – like we started talking about like the masculinity thing. And like in a lot of articles I was reading about that, the sort of Western take on that was, well, you know, in China, they believe that, you know, yang, masculine, is strong. And, you know, yin is weak and women – yin is women and should be weak and submissive. And that's not even really accurate. That's a complete misunderstanding of these ancient Chinese principles.

Like yin and yang are supposed to be in balance. In many martial arts, they say – and Daoism says the soft overcomes the hard. So soft yin does not mean weak. Right. martial arts there's this there they say endows and says the soft overcomes the hard so soft yin does not mean weak right um so golly what was i trying to say i was asking the government before the communist party was it oppressive well i mean which government right like which of the immediately immediately preceding the time so the republican period is that what it was uh it was it was horribly corrupt um it also was dealing with world war ii and fighting japanese right and fighting communist and version i mean this this year marks 100 years since the formation of the chinese communist party

in 1921 which was uh connected to the soviets which the soviets had tried to you know start the the was the third uh the third communist international the Soviets had tried to, you know, start the third Communist International, the Comintern, and get that branch going in China. Because at the time, the idea of the Soviets was we're going to have communism spread around the world. So they were starting all these party cells. So the Qing Dynasty fell 1911. And then it was followed by, you know know a little bit of chaos and then the

the republic of china came up but within you know a decade you had the communist party starting and essentially sowing chaos throughout the countries to the to the degree that they were able to uh sometimes working with the republic of china government sometimes fighting against them but always even when working with they were subverting it from within. Yeah. And so there was no real chance for the Republic of China government to be a fully functioning government. And it was a very difficult time. And I'm not defending some of the things that happened there,

because there were some some challenges, but it's the classic Communist Party tactic of, you know, the Republican period of China, it was corrupt. There were definitely issues. There was wealth inequality. So the Communist Party uses that and says, hey, these guys are oppressing you. These societies, you know, these are the bad guys. Hey, and Mao would go to the poor peasants in the countrysides and promise them a better future, a more equal future. Now, the elites of that period, the ones who, you know, towed the party line, were they spared?

Oh, I mean, the biggest victims of the Communist Party are Communist Party members. I mean, even before the Communist Party actually ruled the country, there were tons of purges within the party. The Yan'an rectification. That basically meant thought control and thought reform and brainwashing. That was kind of where sort of one of the first sort of mass brainwashing campaigns in history is the Communist Party brainwashing and torturing other Communist Party officials in a part of China called Yan'an. Like that's how they treat their own people. How do you think they're treating everyone else? I mean, the guy who was supposed to succeed Mao, Lin Biao, right?

Oh, died in a mysterious plane crash. Died in a mysterious—and then suddenly, like, he was like, Mao's second in command, then mysteriously died, and then suddenly, like, the word was, oh, he was very bad. He was communicating with the— The campaign to criticize Confucius and Lin Biao. It was like the mass political campaign to criticize like the political enemy so but if you look at marxism right if you read marx uh marx's view is that uh carl marx not groucho marx uh the view is that the history of humanity is a history of class struggle right and this is i

believe an inaccurate view of humanity in history, but that's the Marxist view. And that was the Leninist view. And that was the Maoist view, and that's the Xi Jinping view. So the idea is that there are always these two opposing forces that always have to fight. And the only way for history to progress is through these groups struggling against each other. And so the communists, they believe this, actually. And so they believe that they must struggle against enemies. And if there's not an enemy, if they've defeated an enemy, they need to create another enemy. So there's always going to be an enemy.

There's always going to be a persecuted group. There's no way for a communist party to not have a group that they're going after, because that is the way they see their own society and power is moving forward. There has to always be class struggle. Which is why we as Americans should be very concerned with Xi Jinping telling the new cadre to struggle. Because who's it going to be? I mean, on a foreign policy level, the Chinese Communist Party has to struggle with the United States, which is the global hegemon, right? So there's always this is something that has been – people have made that comparison before, and it creates a lot of controversy because there aren't roving bands of Red Guard killing people yet. But I think the important – The Red Guard, they were literally murdering just people in large numbers. So the thing – the real question is how does a society get to that point?

What breeds that? And so we do need to be vigilant because if this happened once before in human history, it could happen again. Well, like how many people were the Red Guard killing? Numbers of people who died in the Cultural Revolution, it varies a lot. Probably maybe 15 to 20 the high end is 20 million isn't as a as a estimate of how many people died during the cultural revolution there was no period among these revolutionaries where they knew they were in the cultural revolution it was only with hindsight we looked back and then said here's where it started cultural revolution was a specific campaign by mal

oh okay it was called the. To eliminate the four olds, which was old thought, old culture. I forget all the olds. I just mean, like, was there a point where Mao was like, okay, today's the day we start.

Go and kill people. Well, he was like, today we must start the Cultural Revolution to, you know, basically rectify the culture of the party. So there was an actual,

like, start date for that. And it ended when he died and people were like after a really long time yeah well it was a decade a decade he was a long time yeah it was it was i i remember speaking to one chinese person who was alive at the time and they said it was basically we talk about like the 10 years that we went crazy i mean it was really bad although in some areas it was worse than others. And like by the end, Mao was kind of like not doing well. So it was kind of petered out. But like literally you had to quote Mao's Little Red Book to like be able to buy food, you know.

Or like get on a bus. You had to say a quote from Mao. Yeah. But like, you know, I understand why some people see parallels with what's happening in the US today. I think that there's a few big differences in the in the chief one is that the US government protects freedom of speech. And, you know, even if you get canceled on Twitter and kicked off of YouTube, and, you know, your books are banned from the publisher, like, you're not going to be arrested. You're not going to be, there's no legal mechanism to send you to prison. That's not, that's not true. There is. They just lie.

Okay. So, but that's, I mean. I mean, you take a look at the Antifa riots throughout the Pacific Northwest. We just learned there was an investigation that found 31 of 90 had their charges dropped and many dismissed with prejudice, which according to one expert, this is extremely rare for them to actually do this. Some of these were felony charges where Antifa literally assaulted an officer. Their charges are dropped. Now, when it comes to the out group, which would be these Trump supporters at the Capitol, you have the instance of some people.

This is really interesting because I'm seeing journalists say this. The shaman guy with the horns, apparently he argued in court. The cops waved him in and it's on video. The cops are waving and people are following the cops waving and the cops open the door. Not everybody who went in the building were shoving their way through police and fighting with cops. There were many circumstances where the doors were just opened up. Now, I think obviously everybody who went in the building was dumb and it was a huge mistake for these people but you take a look

at how after you know six seven months of rioting and cities being burned down and these antifa people i mean the vice president was soliciting donations to bail her out so we can say there's no legal mechanism in a sense but there is a cultural mechanism that guarantees if you're far leftist and you burn down a city, it is very likely that you will face no cultural repercussions, none whatsoever. I mean, they're not being targeted by law enforcement as terrorists. They're being, the vice president's raising money. Joe Biden's own staffers were raising money to get them out. But if you're a Trump supporter who was just in DC, this woman,

she's a psychological operations officer in the army. She was simply attending a speech. She's under investigation. One guy was a music, a rapper, he's an artist. His label dropped him for simply being in D.C. when this happened. So that's what's scary to me. We can say, oh, but we have a constitution. Sure, but what happens when the federal government just lies? And then you have the entirety of the establishment Democratic left saying,

good, they want to do a commission on these people now. I think it's, you know, maybe the fear is perhaps a bit pessimistic, but maybe the fear is that they learn from what these other countries did and how to avoid, you know, falling into certain traps. They don't want to kill people. They want control. They don't want to look like the villains themselves, especially in an age of social media and instant transmission of information. So they use clever manipulation to make sure their political dissidents are stripped, destroyed and removed. And that's what's happening. happened in china because we do not have uh like it's not we have guns well well besides that like the whole mechanism is like started in china by the state like it's started by the chinese communist party it's like top down but also the cult of personality mao had which doesn't exist but like but you're saying there's no cult of personality around when i think that like in the u.s the mechanism is like if you have these tech companies if you have like

like the democratic party or like you have you have this like cultural mechanism for it that is like a different manifestation but it could like the psychologically there are similarities i would say and especially in terms of like things like the you know reporting on people like the like there there are things that that could happen with this cancel culture stuff that's going on that could follow like the course of the cultural revolution without being a thing that is done by that yeah or done by the state exactly or like you know but it could have like the same you can have neighborhood watch committees where you know or you know everybody is looking at whatever.

You're pulling up what you said on Twitter 20 years ago. Perhaps we're just not at that stage of what the cultural revolution was yet. But we do have – just recently it was Christopher Wray. I believe it was FBI saying domestic terror coming. I don't know if he specifically called out Trump supporters, but I think he said, you know, far right. Domestic terror is the biggest threat we're facing. You've got the Democrats saying Trump supporters and QAnon. They're claiming that they need to keep these troops surrounding D.C. with razor wire fences and these and, you know, razor wire and these fences because of these conspiracy theories about Trump's true inauguration, you are getting from mainstream press a narrative over and

over and over again of who the evil is calling for. They're calling it the one six commission. They want a 9-11 style commission on what happened at the Capitol. They're acting like it was on par with 9-11. And they're continually demonizing Trump supporters, populist right wingers, conservatives to the point where, you know, we've mentioned it several times now. Echelon Insights interviewed Democrats. What is, you know, of these things? How would you rate your level of concern?

The top concern among Democrats is Trump supporters, white nationalists, white supremacy. And among Trump supporters, among Republicans, it's illegal immigration, taxation, support for the police. Very run of themill conservative positions. It seems like the narrative we're getting from the mainstream press about how bad and awful the right is in this country is reaching that level where, I mean, people, I think, are ready to burst and go insane. So perhaps it's not the point where you'll see Red Guard going around literally murdering people.

But we are getting to that point where I believe it's entirely possible you will see the Democrats come out and straight up say, arrest them all, every single one. Because we're already getting to that point. Nicole Wallace on MSNBC said if they were in a different country, would have blown them up by now with a drone strike. Wouldn't Mitch McConnell think Trump should be arrested for what he did? We have an article from The Root where they said Republicans are enemy combatants, that we must treat as enemy combatants. The Root in 2018 said Republicans are enemy combatants that we must treat as enemy combatants. The Root in 2018, according to News Whip, was the number one publication on the left. Now, the right got substantially more engagements, but they were still number one.

What happens when you have prominent Democratic politicians, people like Ocasio-Cortez saying, Ted Cruz, you tried to get me murdered. And they're telling this to people over and over again. Where do we go in a year? Perhaps right now we're saying, oh, but in the cultural revolution, they were called upon by the party, by the political figures to go and do these things. And it's like, okay, well, maybe in a year they do that. Maybe in two years, three years. All I know is right now I'm constantly being told by the press how Trump is an insurrectionist who tried to overthrow the United States government. And YouTube has deleted every iteration of his speech from CPAC. This level of tribalist demonization isn't stopping. It's escalating. It's getting worse.

And it seems to me like we are dangerously close to this point where the hysteria reaches this level. Perhaps we have a president in Joe Biden who he's already failing his first test in the migrant crisis. The left is outraged over his migrant detention centers for children. The right is outraged over his releasing of COVID positive patients, COVID positive illegal immigrants into Texas, as well as shutting down Trump's border wall. So now you've got both sides angry with him. He didn't get the stimulus checks out. Are we potentially looking at a pathetic and failed leader who causes widespread, you know, just demoralization among even moderates in this country that results in Donald Trump running again in 2024 against, say, Kamala Harris, who does not have the charisma to win. Trump ends up getting a decisive but slim victory. And then you have all of that conditioning over four years of the demons of

the insurrectionists. Trump finally completed his insurrection. He took the country over. We must go. We must purge. We must stop this. Or perhaps it goes the other way. Trump becomes president and says they're the bad guys. They're the ones trying to subvert it. The hyperpolarization is getting just that scary to me. Well, democracy is very fragile. And, you know, you're mentioning the commission making the comparison to 9-11. What's the lesson of 9-11? The government used terrorism to create the Patriot Act, which was really more about making the government more powerful and taking away the rights of the American people. It's about power and control.

And what you kind of just described was a struggle session, essentially. And so this is where people need to learn from history and see the patterns. Are these actual threats that are being discussed or is it just somebody creating that opposition that they need to have the dialectical conflict? Well, that's it, the struggle, right? There's something to struggle against. There's an interesting book that talks a lot about this sort of thing I think you're talking about. It's called How the Specter of Communism is Ruling the World. It makes some interesting points.

Well, people can read that themselves and draw their conclusions. But it looks at history, and you do see, you know, there are people who learn from all of these tactics that have been used for control. And people who want control, they're not idiots. They look at what has worked and what hasn't worked and refined. The Chinese Communist Party is a much more refined Soviet Union. They're not making many of the same mistakes the Soviet Union did because they learned from them. That's why the Chinese Communist Party is still here. Yeah, they constantly talk about Gorbachev and how nobody can be a Gorbachev, basically. Remember when people thought she would be Gorbachev?

I remember there was an event held in DC. A bunch of Trump supporters were protesting against massive multinational billion dollar corporations that were suppressing speech, political speech in the US. The Trump supporters were protesting and targeting billionaires. Antifa showed up and physically attacked them. It's interesting that you have this demonization for the populist right, it's the elites, it's the establishment. For the populist left, it's the populist right. And I wonder if that's just the convenient tool of the establishment to say, get these people to attack them because they're attacking us, using this idea of the struggle, this conflict between factions, to make sure nobody actually goes after them.

If they keep doing that, well, eventually using Trump supporters, conservatives, and populist right-wingers as your scapegoat will result in such extreme hyperpolarization that people start getting killed. We've already seen with the riots over last year, I think there was 19 official deaths caused by the riots. And then there are, I believe, 11 or 12, about 12 peripheral deaths just as a result of the rioting. Some people died for certain reasons.

But then we also had that guy in Portland who took two in the chest from that Antifa guy. He had the Black Lives Matter tattoo on his neck, the revolution fist, and he shot him twice in the chest. When you say riots, you're talking about the mostly peaceful protests. Yes. Right. Yes. Where buildings were on fire and destroyed and over two billion dollars in insurance payouts, not even the total cost of damage that we saw.

And and the vice president and president supporting those actions. You know, you want to want to know something absolutely insane? Andrew Cuomo, there's a new report coming out that his administration instructed the health department to obscure the amount of people who died in nursing homes as a result of their policies. On March 25th of last year, Cuomo, he announced this policy to send COVID patients into nursing homes. Nursing homes resisted saying this will introduce the virus into the most vulnerable populations.

They said, so what? 15,000 people died. Cuomo covered it up. And that is confirmed. One assemblyman has said it's a criminal, a coordinated criminal conspiracy. I've said, send the guy to prison. Andrew Cuomo still enjoys a 65% approval rating and a 60% favorability rating among Democrats. When you have that level of, he's been accused of harassing women, three women have stepped

forward. And even prominent Democratic, like left-leaning liberal type figures in the media are criticizing him saying he should resign criticizing him, saying he should resign. Democrats are saying he should resign. It is now being reported by mainstream left, right-wing publications. He killed these people. He covered it up. The Democrat voter still favors him 65%. So when you have things like that, it says to me like tribalism owns everything.

You could have quite literally when donald trump said i could shoot somebody on fifth avenue you wouldn't get that's a good point yeah tribalism it's it's it is a tool of dictators it's uh the more the less we see each other as fellow humans that actually have more in common than we do differences that gets easily used when we start to just see the other the enemy yeah well how about we take super chats we'll see what the audience has to say if you haven't already smash the like button and subscribe at the notification bell if you're listening on itunes spotify or any other podcast platform leave us a good review give us as many stars as they allow.

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Have any of you watched Attack on Titan? Can't say I have. It is like the most popular anime, but no idea. I've only seen a couple episodes. All right, let's see. Toby Walker. Oh, this is very important. He says, toy boat, toy boat, toy boat.

Did you know there are 16 unique species of penguins? Toy boat, toy boat, toy boat. Unique New York. Specific Pacific. Specific Pacific. Toy boat, toy boat. Congratulations. You got me to say those things.

Good for thought. Are you trying to like do a deep fake or something by having me say all of that? Unique New York. Jordan Jones says, I hope that the team is doing well at Timcast IRL. At what point do states and individuals stop sending resources to the federal government that is pushing radical left policies that are hurting their well-being? I honestly have no idea. I don't know.

Do you guys see any? I know your specialty is more china but uh perhaps that was just my opinion thinking you know being more pessimistic but what's your what's your your prospect on this country do you think optimism pessimism i i'm ultimately optimistic um i gotta say after that last uh spiel of yours The optimism's a bit... I have drained the optimism from you. No. I mean, I think ultimately this was something they

talked about in ancient China. People innately are good. Well, in ancient China, they didn't always agree with that either. But I think people, there's an innate goodness to them that they want to... They value... There are universal values that people have and i know that's not something that's necessarily people like to talk about universal

values anymore you know i can be both pessimistic and optimistic at the same time in saying that i think the night is always darkest before the dawn and we have not read uh we have not yet reached the uh the darkest point of the night yet. So it seems like things are going to get pretty bad. But then maybe after the tumult, things will be a bit better. Yeah, I think people do need to get a better understanding of some of the things that are happening. And that will take time. All right.

Lua Coder says, I am distraught that lots of our manufacturing industry has moved over to China. Even Roblox, I used to play back in 2011, is opening their market to China. The checklist for UGC is absurd. Is there any grassroots lobbying that can be done to bring our manufacturing back? Interestingly, the Biden administration is currently doing a review of supply chains in the U.S. So this is something that I think Democrats care a lot about and Republicans from a national security standpoint and from like a kind of, you know, a workers rights, you know, like populist standpoint. So this might be one of those things where we do start to bring back some of that at least critical manufacturing like, you know, drugs, medical supplies. Chuck Schumer was talking about the

making some kind of law to help us out compete china yeah so i think a lot of the things that happens is that u.s politicians when they talk about china they don't actually have a very good idea of what the chinese communist party is they're more using it as a mirror to reflect the u.s but in this case because of the supply chain issue i think this might be something where there's a concerted effort to bring back American manufacturing. People just need to buy American more. Yeah. Maybe we need more philanthropists.

We need more nonprofits. We need more industry to focus on American products at American costs. We need think tanks. Yeah. New independent think tanks. All right. Bobby Bob says, should the u.s break up would there be any negative effect on china such as u.s businesses leaving i think if the u.s broke up

that would be like the best thing that ever happened for the chinese communist party they'd have a party they would have real communist party well that's why i wonder about you know do they want to influence this culture war? They do. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think I don't know that they're directly doing it, but like they definitely want to play it up. They want to use it whenever they can because it weakens the U.S.

And it's in the sense of the Marxist class struggle. It is pitting one group against another group. And so, again, I wouldn't say the Communist Party is behind it necessarily, but they're certainly like it, and it certainly fits the way that the Communist Party would do things if they were to try to sow discord within China. All right. Turk Longwell says,

Tim, a question for your guests. Can anyone please comment on how you think a hot war would play out between them and us? Great show. Smash the like button. A hot war. Well well it depends on whether or not they have taiwan or not uh at the moment uh china is not in a i don't think they could

really sustain like a full-on war with the united states uh with taiwan the, the US has access to the Chinese coastline. There's support from the Quad, an alliance that's been building up between the US, India, Japan, and Australia, which I wonder what the Biden administration is going to do about that alliance. But also just in the event of a hot war, it would become impossible for any American industry to work with China, and then China loses its access to money. Well, I think that's a big one. So also, it would be likely a naval war. And right now, the US still has naval superiority in the Pacific. But the US Indo Pacific commander just came out and said that china might get parity by 2026 wow uh because they're really building they have more ships

and submarines yeah so i mean in some ways like if a hot war would happen the sooner it happened the better it would be for the u.s because the longer like it just gives the chinese communist party time to build up the military and so you're saying double the military budget i mean i think that they have to take the military and they are talking about this uh and take it the focus away from the middle east and you know go back to focusing on the pacific yeah when the u.s made the shift to Middle East fighting, the Navy became support for the ground troops. And in that time that the Navy was kind of being pushed to the side in the U.S., that's what China focused on. Right. China's anti-ship ballistic missiles already have a considerably longer range than U.S. anti-ship missiles, which if you think about what that means in an actual ship-to-ship

warfare is the Chinese ships can get their missiles off much sooner and sink the American ships before the American ships can do anything. But the solution isn't to double the U.S. military budget. No, I was just kidding. Right? I mean, like, it would be much easier to just stop investing in China. You're saying we should blow up china now before i'm kidding i'm kidding yeah uh we all right we got samuel pile says tim you are wrong about gen z

as a zoomer myself i would i would say that at least 60 of us are conservative we most are afraid to speak out the reason most of us are closeted is because most of the people who have the authority around us hate anyone who has right-leaning views most of us are closeted is because most of the people who have the authority around us hate anyone who has right-leaning views. Most of us are anti-porn because it's affected us negatively from a young age. Well, then I would just say perhaps I am wrong and you are more conservative. I have pointed out that the Pew Research shows there's a slight movement towards conservative for the first time in like four generations. But then you have to be brave i suppose and just speak out what's the worst that's gonna happen you got to learn how to

actually hunt for your food oh heavens like humans had to do that for thousands tens of thousands of years hundreds of thousands of years i guess you know my thing is that having grown up in a rough and tumble area and being homeless i'm like what's the worst someone could do to me they're not gonna hit me and even if they did is that really the word is that it you know you get a scrape look if you've got people around you that are abusing you and saying insane things then just simply stop leave ignore them just don't engage with these kind of people stick newcomb says i own a shop called texas holster solutions i'd like to send you a holster for one of your pistols. Who can I email about this?

Also, keep up the work, y'all. The show is 100% graphene, lol. If you go to timcast.com, I believe in the contact area, there's emails, but there's also a P.O. Box address if you'd like to send stuff. All right. Justin Bookman says, this is a very, this is very off topic, but I'm getting out of trucking looking for something to work from home.

You guys are the smartest people that I know. What do you suggest? Tim, doth read the news and let slip the Ian of war. We are gorilla. All right. Working from home. Here's, here's what you do. I had this, this, this guy who was super rich told me, what's something that you're an expert on?

That is a common concern of people? Really easy example would be like dating. Most people, be it a man or a woman, want to have some like better understanding of dating. So what he said was, if you're good, if you have good insights and you're a good person and you want to help people, you simply write a small book and then you advertise it on Facebook and Google. You find out what your price point is per advertisement. So if it takes $5 worth of ads to sell one book, sell it for $5.50 and you've automated the system and then you make passive income from one book you've written and it could seriously be like 50 pages. And so he explained to me that one you know, one of his paths was he had done things in his life like he worked out and he trained. And then he realized he was actually pretty proficient in this, very amateur.

But he wrote a book about what he did and said, not medical advice. I'm just a guy. Here's my ideas. And he made a million dollars a year. So there you go. Shelley, we should write a book. If you guys wrote a book called China Uncensored, and it was just not even that long, and it said, you know, understanding the basic facts about China and what you need to know.

And then you put it up. You just do like ads on Google or Facebook or whatever. It's automated. So it takes, you know, if $5 in ads gets you a thousand views or whatever and every thousand views gets you one book sale, $5.50 and you you're making 50 cents for every 1,000 views, so it's just automatically pulling in money. Eventually, everybody's read your book, and then, you know, what do you do after that? You write something else, but, you know, there you go.

And you make a million dollars. All right. Edud says, Tim, the USA is actually being censored by the CCP. Remember, Facebook, Twitter, and Google hired the firm responsible for the great CCP censorship firewall to tailor their algorithm to prevent right-wing extremism. Have you guys heard that? I know we mentioned this the last time we were on the show, that there was a case of one of the Facebook fact-checkers being tied to some company that was getting funding somehow or

another through China. I don't remember all the details, but I know he did talk about that, where there was genuinely a concern about that, that these fact checkers, they get money from somewhere. But there is a lot of AI research going on in China. Like Google, they did shut down their Dragonfly censored search app, but Google on in China. Like Google, you know, they did shut down their Dragonfly censored search app, but Google is in China now doing AI and they're not making a big public splash about it. But like Google wants to be in China because they have access to enormous amounts of data. There's no like user privacy restrictions in China. And so Google's working with Chinese

companies to build up Google's own AI systems. And no doubt Google is or will be at some point intending to use that AI technology developed in China with Chinese companies and Chinese data and then use that for its American customers. Is that a direct connection of the Communist Party using it to censor Americans? I don't think there's a direct connection of the Communist Party using it to censor Americans? I don't think there's a direct connection there. But there's certainly some, you know, within a few steps, there's some connection to China. Association with an authoritarian regime always pulls the democracy down. It makes it less free. Yeah. All right.

Nova Zero says, China uncensored gang. How much damage do you predict Xiao Bai Zhang and ka mi la will do to the entire apac region oh okay i was like who there's one more i say did you notice how allied nations have been slowly cutting out the u.s in their dealings that i pronounced it horribly i'd imagine right yeah that is beautiful um i i how do you say i'm still going over the name uh isn't there isn't him isn't he trying to like make chinese out of joe biden and oh i see yeah yeah yeah yeah oh kamila uh i didn't notice that yeah i was just like i don't i mean you know joe biden talks talks about reestablishing relations with allies.

And I think, you know, there's some degree that he's trying to do this, especially in Western Europe, where it seems like we haven't actually lost any allies over the last four years. But certainly there's been some diplomatic tensions there. There has, however, been a lot of progress since 2017, building up alliances in, for example, the Asia Pacific region, such as the Quad, India, Japan, Australia, and the US working together to counter the danger of the Chinese Communist Party and their military. So there have been a lot of alliances. Also Central and Eastern Europe. Oh, yeah. Actually, the last four years I've seen a lot of helping develop relationships with Central and Eastern Europe to counter the pressure that they've been getting from China, to counter the investment from China. Even to some degree in parts of Africa, U.S. money trying to counter the influence of China, although I'm not sure that's been super successful.

But the whole thing about you know we lost all our alliances and now we have to get them back i think that's that's not an accurate picture it's just that certain alliances have been strengthened and certain alliances have been weakened but the u.s hasn't lost any allies except maybe china i mean i would argue that's probably a good ally to lose if you're gonna lose one uh yeah but like you know things have changed things have shifted uh and then you know europe are they trying to work with you know do they want to work with joe biden and kamala harris like yeah on on some things they want to work with the u.s on climate change and they want

to get the iran deal back um but you know they signed a big trade deal with china the eu signed a trade uh a preliminary trade deal outline with china without consulting the u.s which was a bit of a slap in the face because the administration asked them to wait yeah it had been under works for years um was heading somewhere and yeah they ignored the biden administration's request well before the they were the administration saying we're almost in power just wait till yeah but uh but these alliances do take time and six weeks is not enough time i don't believe to see what the trajectory of the biden administration is going to be to build up or destroy yeah eric miller says hilariously, YouTube put in my recommendations the movie Big Trouble in Little China.

Also, if Texas has a problem with the caravan, send them to D.C. There you go. Yeah, because China Uncensored is in the title, so, you know, they'll just take the keyword, and then you get it's a fun movie. There you go. All right. Coop Diggity

says, I love y'all. I'll watch this later. Be safe. Ian, I disagree often with your viewpoints, but often I find you have a unique viewpoint I haven't thought of. Lydia, thanks for being awesome and pushing buttons. And Tim, thanks. Well, Ian's on the show tonight and Luke is on vacation. So we just got the China Uncensored crew.

But there you go. Publius the Good says, my buddy Dylan Witcher was banned from China when we were in high school because he started a massive free Tibet website in 2002. We were fighting this for decades. My first political fight was Tibet. Interesting. Great. Yeah, didn't they remove that? It was like they did the new Top Gun movie, Top Gun Maverick.

Yeah. And the patch on Tom Cruise's back, they removed Tibet. It was Taiwan. Taiwan. Taiwan and Japan. Yeah. Well, you know, you got to please the CCP. Publish the Good also says, FBI says the entirety of

all one million of conservatives are under investigation. Antifa terrorists are all out of jail. I disagree on the cultural revolution here. I have actually emails between DNC, Congress, and Antifa. So you disagree? Is it because they hate each other or something? here i have actually i have actually emails between dnc congress and antifa so you you disagree is it because they hate each other or something questioning china says secret police

were invented 600 years ago in china ming dynasty google eastern depot do you guys know about that i haven't heard of eastern depot i also imagine secret police have been around for longer than 600 years but that does sound like an interesting thing steven valdez says chris i had a super patreon account with you guys for seven months but never got my name at the end of a video as promised message you guys three times on patreon love your work but was hoping you could respond well i missed that message yeah shoot us an email at china uncensored at gmail.com and and we'll take care of it. Sorry about that. Yeah, definitely.

We get the job done here at Tim Kess Dyer. We make sure we hold the powerful elites to account. Truth to power. For a long time, our team was basically like the three of us plus one video editor. So honestly, the truth is we do drop the ball sometimes, and we're sorry about that. And I'm the producer, so really it's my problem and not chris's problem but definitely a big thank you to everyone who supports uh our work uh it would not our china and censored would not be possible without uh the viewer support on patreon yeah i mean we're we're a really small company and it's mostly

viewer support and not youtube ad revenue that's actually running our so thank you thank you for that contribution i'm sorry I missed that. Garhant says, call Chinese organ harvesting what it is, farming humans. Bring it up to your vegan friends. Ask them if they won't eat meat for moral reasons, why the heck are you supporting a president who is A-OK with butchering Uyghurs like cattle? Yikes. I'm sure that'll be great dinner conversation with people who are not particularly

politically active so you got some franis eating like you know a kale chip salad or something and you're like so you don't eat meat and they're like no i don't eat meat then why do you support biden you butcher and they're gonna be like what no but i do think it's a it's a really fair point you know biden needs to i think biden should have come out right away and said this is genocide no question about it it must be stopped he on the campaign trail he did call it genocide oh or his his campaign did i don't know that he actually did he never said the word yeah the g word yeah mao de mighty says my ears been ringing all night but i wear this cowl like Bruce Wayne, though. Zan Guo, uncensored. Tim Reed, my mind.

PM message. Oh, PM message. Thanks for quoting this. You got it. Supra says they call it the Patriot Act because that is whom it goes after. Ah, there it is. Jake Mahaney says the CCP

is arming Iran, allowing Iran to conduct proxies in the Middle East. Biden is allowing China to commit genocide while simultaneously gearing up for reunification of Taiwan. Yeah, it sounds like things are pretty bad. I have to say, maybe that's why I'm a little pessimistic.

OMG Puppy says, hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil. Eric Hoffer, the true believer. Interesting.

Christopher says, you said you were planning on making a new site and new content. Would this be free or eligible for TimCast members or a whole new subscription? So we're planning on making a network of different websites, and it's one subscription for all of them. So quite literally, my goal is if you are a member of Timcast.com, I just want to make sure we just keep making more and more stuff for you and ultimately have one parent brand that, you know, if you're a member of it, grants you access to basically everything. There are going to be some things because there'll be joint ventures where there'll be entirely separate subscriptions and websites. So I think the new show we're planning on doing

will not be part of this because I'm doing with other people and it'll have to be its own thing. So, but ultimately that's what I want to do. I want to do shows, original sketch comedy, documentary, and have it just be part of one big brand. So ultimately everybody who is already a member at TimCast.com will get access to all this really cool stuff we're planning to build. Quite literally, the membership you have, that money is going towards expanding, hiring new people. We actually have some people coming out soon to interview about jobs because we're going to be doing a lot more, producing a lot more.

And then hopefully that helps us make more money and start more companies. So if you really like the show, then go to TimCast.com, become a member, smash that like button, and share the podcast. And aside from that, I've got my other YouTube channels as well, but we're trying to do more and more and more, to put it simply. Claymore says, human is the most racist word there can be. Words of racism are words designed to defy people who had man racist i say it should be the rights of man interesting dom uh let's see so what is it

dom knoll 1989 says has china uncensored seen jj mccullough's video on falun gong in which he mentioned china uncensored as falun Gong propaganda. Ooh, Smackdown. I never actually watched that, but we are completely independently produced. We have no connection to Falun Gong any more than we have connection to the Jews, which is something I've been accused of as well. That's so weird. Yeah. There was, I think I mentioned this to you guys last time, there was apparently some campaign hitting up medium, like small size YouTubers with decent followings, maybe like tens of thousands.

Where they would say, hey, just upload this video to your YouTube channel. That's all. And we'll pay you, you know, 500 bucks or 600 bucks. And it was some guy explaining why the Falun Gong was a dangerous cult. And he was like complaining that they were performing in new york and that everyone should go and complain to the performing arts center to get falun gong banned or whatever that was really weird when i when i saw that i'm like who would who would upload to their channel a video from some random person but also like like it should be a red flag if the authoritarian

communist party is persecuting a group like that should be a signal that like you shouldn't also be persecuting these people in a free country like maybe there's something wrong with the group that's doing the persecuting right right weird so yeah i mean it's just you know but but but people people go after us and that's whatever you know all right cara may says hey tim thanks for reading my super chat. Oddly bandersnatchy, but it's fine anyway. Cuomo definitely performed genocide. Am I crazy for finding this obvious AF?

Cuomo killed 15,000 people. And it wasn't just him. There's some other governors as well. And they were warned of this. So, man, it's a creepy time, I tell you that. All right. Anything about Texas? Please talk about 3F and the CCP's stated aims to literally destroy the United States.

In your opinion, are we in immediate danger? Are we so compromised from the inside that all hope is lost? I don't know what the 3Fs are. 3F. No idea. And the CCP's stated aims to destroy the united states is that a thing uh well they're very clear about uh struggling against the united states that the united states is the enemy they are the whole unrestricted warfare thing yeah uh yeah so i mean the chinese

communist party is already at war with the united states we talked about the last time unrestricted warfare i mean we're we're being slammed by cyber war i mean china is going after our infrastructure that's one aspect of it yeah um financial warfare information drug warfare information warfare it's a big one yeah all right let's see what we got alexander hale says cuomo's high approval rating is about as legit as biden's approval rating it's fake just like all the polls before the election was fortified. Yeah. Publish the Good says we haven't even begun to fight. John Paul Jones, the original Alex Jones, not advocating violence.

FBI historically accurate. That's what he said. What was it? He was in a he was in his ship and they were firing cannons at each other. And yeah, and his ship was like just slammed and he was like we have not yet begun to fight. We haven't even begun to fight. Famous quote.

Lester Leo says US should learn how Taiwanese handle elections. Taiwan treats voting security and transparency seriously given how China always wants to influence it. Interesting. We were there for the Taiwan election and they have a pretty good system. Interesting. We were there for the Taiwan election, and they have a pretty good system. Yeah. Yeah. Security. A couple things about Taiwan election security. Number one,

you have to show up in person and show your ID. Number two, paper ballots. There are paper ballots. Number three, at the end of the voting day uh anyone from the community can come in and stand there physically and be an observer there's not selected observers there anyone just can randomly arbitrarily show up and they can watch the ballots being counted read aloud and tallied on a board not just allowed in the building but but they can actually see it yeah the observers can actually observe right yeah and so uh there's for the the in the in-person voting id uh clear uh chain with paper ballots and the observers uh it's it's very very hard to commit fraud there now the the flip side of this obviously is that you know if you can't vote by mail you could say well there's maybe some disenfranchisement and i think that's true and every country has to figure out what's the balance between security and ensuring the

integrity of the election and making sure that more people have access to voting. Taiwan has made that choice to ensure security because they're under so much threat from the Communist Party. And other countries may at least want to look to that model for inspiration, to some degree. And I think also Taiwan's only been voting since like 1996. So interesting. They, they treasure like for presidential elections. So they, they treasure their democracy a lot. And I think it was, you know, all of us felt quite moved, like watching the whole process of like people bringing their kids to watch the vote count and things like that their democracy yeah it was it was really amazing and

yeah like everybody gets the day off to vote but you have to go in person so like people flew from overseas to go back to taiwan to vote wow yeah justin wheeler says will timcast ever have an app we are working on it right now actually so we know that most people who watch and listen are doing it on mobile. And so we are trying to build that mobile app so it's really easy for members to just log in and do all that really cool stuff. So, yeah.

Nick Timko says, I got my wisdom teeth out this week and watching your podcast has really helped keep my mind off the pain. Oh, I hear that. I'm glad. I had a really, really bad impacted wisdom tooth. This one. And getting

it taken out was like the dentist, it looked like he was doing street construction. And it was I was shaking and sweaty and just like for like three days I was like all these painkillers was like the worst pain ever. So isn't it nice to know that your show is less bad

than that? Yes. Just a little bit. A little bit less bad than getting your wisdom tooth ripped out of your face. That's such a compliment. Please have us back. All right. A Horrible Gamer says, Shelley, how did you become aware and start spreading the word about China?

What is the story of you partnering up with Agent Smith against China? That's classified. I see. But my parents came from, well, I was born in China, and my parents came to the U.S. in the 80s as grad students. And then they brought me to America, and we were all in the U.S. by the time the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre happened. And my dad, before, he had gotten a scholarship from the Chinese government to study get his PhD in America. So he was supposed to go back. And he was he was intent on bringing us back until the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened. And then he basically just was so furious, like the Chinese students in America at that that time like they marched in the streets of the u.s against the chinese government that's how that's how bad that was and uh basically we ended up staying in the u.s because the uh bush administration at the time gave um chinese

students who had been in the u.s and protested during the massacre like uh like amnesty because the idea was that you could be you know if you went back to china you could be persecuted for protesting in the u.s wow so crazy yeah all right uh al or ai whichever one says quam wouldn't kill anyone anyone in medicine can tell you people can't stay in hospitals and are sent to nursing homes for long-term care. It's a cost thing. Except when they have the Javits Center and the Mercy available and empty, and the nursing home said, you will introduce the virus here. And then Cuomo was like, geez, what have we done? We better hide the numbers.

Otherwise, we might get investigated by federal prosecutors. That's literally what happened. There it is. He killed him. And he doesn't take responsibility for it. All right. That guy says, do you think if China attacks Taiwan or has a war on its eastern front,

that India would attack China? That's an interesting question. We've definitely seen India standing up to the Chinese Communist Party in a way that it had not done in recent history. Not just on the border, where there's been confrontation between Indian troops and Chinese troops, where Indian soldiers were actually killed last year, but also in Indian society. There's been a huge ban on many types of Chinese apps.

There is a growing cultural awareness of, you know, after Taiwan, India could be one of the next targets. China is working with Pakistan. It's building potential military ports all around India, what's called the string of pearls. And the idea is that China will be coming after India, not right now. Well, piece by piece on the border. Once the US collapses into, you know, you know, the Democrat states in the north, for the most part, join Canada and then the rest become Jesus land as the meme dictates. Then China won't have any unified opposition for the most part. And then they can shift their focus to India, maybe Australia. risk to you can't do it too quick otherwise india and japan and australia maybe south korea though there was a whole thing about election interference in south korea involving china but that's another story uh yeah step one step at a time all right let's say we'll take one more right here rita ho

says maybe maybe two more invite a taiwanese kol to talk about election integrity and how to fight information warfare that sounds pretty cool. Yeah. What's a KOL? I'm going to look that up. Key Opinion Leader. Did you just come up with that? No, that's an actual abbreviation. Oh, okay. Very cool. All right. Gabriel McLeod, we'll do this last one, says

the potential for diplomacy with China implies those in a position to be diplomatic have any interest in enacting change for the good of the world instead of simply maintaining the status quo. Alright. Alright, we'll leave it there, but if you haven't already, you guys gotta smash that like button on your way out before you go. You just gotta

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You'll get a lot of really interesting information about the US and China. You can also find us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Shelly, you have a very nice Twitter. My Twitter is at Shelljong, S-H-E-L-Z-H-A-N-G. And we also, did you say the podcast? I didn't. I always forget the podcast. So we also have a podcast, China Unscripted, on YouTube and all the podcast platforms. Oh, very cool. Do you want to mention, do you have Twitter or anything?

Nope. No, I don't tweet. He helps us make all the other things well there we go and i am sour patch lids here in the corner you can find me on twitter at sour patch lids as well as on mines at sour patch lids and i'm also on instagram and gab at real sour patch lids everybody thank you all so much for hanging out i don't think we're gonna have a special extended segment tonight but uh and it's always because i'm trying to do something for the weekends where literally every single Friday, I'm like, we're going to go to the range and we're going to film it. And then we don't

because people are leaving. You know, Luke was on vacation. We had, we had the dude from Phoenix ammo here and we were going to go and it was going to be awesome. Film some drills. And then Luke is like, I'm going on vacation. See you later. And I was like, all right, I guess. So we'll try and get something up this weekend as an actual on the ground video vlog type thing. And we are going to be launching a new version of the website, cleaner, upgraded. We started the website, we got members, the members provided revenue for the company that allow us to upgrade and we're investing it all back in. So you guys rock. Thank you all so much for hanging out and we will see you on Monday. Bye guys.