Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #239 - Derek Chauvin Trial DELAYED As DA Wants Another Murder Charge w/ Clifton Duncan

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host Broadway actor Clinton Duncan to discuss the Derek Chauvin trial and race relations with police, leaving the Democratic party, the Burger King marketing fail on International Women's Day, and where modern unhappiness springs from. Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today was the first day of the trial for Derek Chauvin in the George Floyd case. And trial is being delayed because the judge wants to add another murder charge. Basically, they want to add, I think it's third degree murder to Chauvin's list of charges, which is serious because a lot of people think that second degree murder won't stick. They overcharged him. Basically, you have to prove he wanted to kill somebody. And that's going to be very, very difficult to prove. But let's be real. Even with third-degree murder, manslaughter is going to be hard enough to prove as it is, and a lot of people think

Chavin will actually be acquitted. Now, it all comes down to politics. If politics plays a role in this, he could be convicted of all counts, or he could be found not guilty on all counts because they don't want the cop to go to jail for this. I think realistically, there is a good possibility of a manslaughter charge sticking. But then you have the fact that the Minneapolis Police Department actually trains their officers to do exactly what Chauvin did. So by all means, criticize the department. Say you don't like them for doing that.

But can you blame the individual for doing as he was trained to do that's where things get sticky in the end i don't i don't care i don't think it matters what happens they're gonna riot so you know we'll talk about that we got a couple other stories we got andrew cuomo facing impeachment uh because there's a lot of things that guy did wrong you know killing people and then grabbing that woman's whole head and like squeezing i love this they said you know cuomo cuomo gave out a statement saying i did not inappropriately touch any woman and there's a photo of him just grabbing this woman's head it's like bro you grabbed her whole head like i don't know if it's okay it's inappropriate like if he was touching her arm i'd be like well you know he grabbed her hold it uh and then we have this i can't believe i'm gonna

say this burger king tweeted women belong in the kitchen that That's them. I didn't say that. That's not my quote. Burger King tweeted that women belong, and Burger King said this, in the kitchen. Straight quote. So we'll talk about all that. We are being joined today by classically trained actor, Clifton Duncan. Hello to all my new friends out there. I'm a Broadway veteran and one of the few actors that people seem to want to listen to these days when I talk about politics and current events. How strange is that? The most I've accomplished in my career is creating a Twitter account, and it's a very dubious accomplishment. But I'm riding the wave right now. I like to say Twitter is pointless, but I guess, you know, here you are, I suppose. It puts you on the political stage, in a manner of speaking. It's very strange. It's very strange.

You know, I started because I had an account before. And I had an anonymous account where I said, this is what I really think. And I was like, you know, my public account, I will just, I'll use that for work. But my problem is that I just can't shut my mouth. And at a certain point, especially when things began to fall apart in 2020, I just, you know, I began to really freak out. And I said, you know, I just have to I have to say something someone has to do. And honestly, it was it was your rant last year. It's one of the reasons that I'm sitting here right now. You know, I didn't do that.

Well, your censor of it was was hilarious in the in the clip. Like, but, you know, but I said, yes,. Well, your censor of it was hilarious in the clip. Like, huck! But I said, yes, because I'm not going to get into it. But I've experienced in my life that when people see something wrong, there's nobody. They always say someone should do something. Someone should say something. But no one ever does. And that someone should be you.

So I'm messaging James Lindsay. He wrote back to me. And then I ended up meeting up with Carrie Smith, who she just happened to be driving from Texas to somewhere else. And we met up in Atlanta. And things kind of took off from there. And I just began just saying what I really think. And Twitter, for all its uselessness and vitriol, it kind of caters to my strengths, which is like being a smart aleck and being able to write with a little bit of flair.

I feel like there's actually more and more people who are not conservative, but are about freedom and free speech and humor. This politically homeless space is getting bigger. More and more people are coming into it, you especially. Yeah, well, it's fascinating because I have private conversations with people in my industry and and outside of it in New York and in other places who say, yeah, I just I agree with everything that you're saying. But I just I go and like you, I began to become irritated because, you know, I do have sympathy. You know, you have things that you want to protect in your life. You have

a livelihood. You have a family that you want to provide for. But at the same time, you know, you have things that you want to protect in your life. You have a livelihood. You have a family that you want to provide for. But at the same time, you know, I think 2020 has demonstrated our mass inability to do a really good and mature cost-benefit analysis. So what's worse, you losing your job right now or you continuing to allow these things to perpetuate? And, you know, what kind world what will your children live in you know a world where they can't say what they what they really feel where they have to keep lying about things that we know are obviously true um yeah you know this it's a 1984 world where you're looking at a picture of a blue square and you keep telling everyone it's a red red circle yeah and then you know deep down you're like i know that's not true but if i if i say otherwise that is that is an insane way to live well one of the most devastating

lines i've ever read in all of literature is the is the final line of 1984 where he says he loved big brother and i feel like i shouldn't say this but i'm well on my way to cancellation anyway i might as well say it but but that's what i feel like because now at at least in my industry, you're doing meet and greet at the first day. People say, well, say who you are and what your role is and what you're here for and also share your pronouns. And I feel like if I do that – now, I have no problem if someone wants to be addressed in a certain way. But don't compel me to do that. And I feel like if I do do that, then in a way that's me saying, well, I love Big Brother. I'm going along with this ideological bent that I don't really understand and that I can't embrace fully.

I have serious issues with that. You can always culture jam and say, like, my pronouns are a-la-la-la and la-la-la-la-la. And then when they ask you to repeat it, be like, you didn't ask anybody else to repeat it. So I agree with you. If someone, you know, if somebody has particular pronouns, I don't care. I'll, you know, I'll call you. I'll address you as you want to be addressed because I'm seeking to communicate with you and trying to build a certain level of respect. Yeah.

But if someone asks of me, it's like, oh, if you want, if you don't want to, you don't want to ask me to play these games, like to engage in this stuff. Because I just, I just get weird with it. Well, it's also like, you know, is there, is there really any mystery as to what pronouns I might go? I'm 6'3 with broad shoulders and a baritone voice. Are you really confused? Zeezer? No. No, Tim.

Huh. That's a nice attempt, but it doesn't quite fit. Not quite. Him? Did I get it that time? That works for me. Alright, there we go. Is it him with a Y? It's like a warm glove. It fits perfectly. It's HXM. Okay. Him.

It's too much. Zim. Let's, uh, we also got Ian. Hey, everybody. Ian Crossman, what up? What up, Clifton? Okay, so you said hello to everybody else, but when you're talking to me... Oh, snap. I see how it is. I'm getting real with you. you're trying to ingratiate yourself communicate by the way before we came on air this is hilarious like we were talking about how we i don't know why but only

leftists seem to automatically see black people whenever there's an ape or a gorilla or something what the heck all right so let's let's let's get some context there's a there's a very let's we'll just get the context real quick there's a very very big instagram model who wore the timcast irl shirt she's got like almost 11 she got 10.6 million followers and this is just like one of the coolest things ever so um i don't know if i should shout her out because i don't want to you know draw undue political attention but she's a very very big influencer and she has two different posts so she's wearing the i am a gorilla-shirt, which is just meant to be a silly meme about, you know,

Alex Jones. It's not really political. It doesn't even reference Jones. It was just something from the show that we thought was funny that people seemed to like. There should be no message conveyed other than I Am A Gorilla and a picture of a gorilla. So she wore that, and it was really, really awesome. So we were talking about it, but she did have one of the

discolored ones. It's not the really awful. It's just kind of weird looking. And then you made a comment about the left. Whenever they see stuff like this, they immediately think of black people. And I was told this when we made the I am a gorilla shirt. I thought it was just a funny cartoon gorilla. And leftists actually said the shirt was racist just in and of itself being a gorilla. And I was like, now that's racist.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Just so your point was, if you want to elaborate it's like no i mean there's not a real point to it it's just uh you know you know i kind of point out absurdities and things and it's just i i i don't know what kind of person you are if when you see a primate you automatically think of black people i think you need you need to help. You gotta clean your room, man. Well, no, no, listen, listen. Like, Robin DiAngelo says she's racist. Yeah. She's honest. I think a lot of people like us who are just like regular, moderate liberal types,

but a lot of people listen to the show, regular, moderate conservative types, don't think of black people when they see, you know, cartoon gorillas or whatever. But it's no surprise then that these racists on the left, they do think it. They literally tell us they're racist. Why would we doubt their own words?

You know what I mean? I think just saying black and white is super – it's not necessarily racist. It's just ignorant because our skins aren't black and white. Like you have like a brownish shoe. I've got a pinkish shoe. Like I'm not white. My skin is not – this is white. Well, even then, that in and of itself is just way too broad.

I mean people say, well, you know, black people. I'm like, OK, are they Nigerian? Are they Trinidadian? You know, are they Jamaican? You know, where are they from? I lived with a couple of Alvin Ailey dancers in New York City up in Harlem. And one of the girls was a Canadian immigrant with Jamaican ancestry. I called her a jamaicanadian

but she had she had no accent so but here in america they would call her an african-american i'm like that doesn't that doesn't make sense but i had an ex-girlfriend who is nigerian who was raised here who could legitimately be called an african-american you know that's why i never used that term to say black american i worked with a guy who was an immigrant from haiti and he was here on a work visa not even a. And we were talking about the absurdities of like these forms that make us fill out in these jobs. And he got really mad. He was like, they keep calling me African American. I'm from Haiti. And like, it was serious because he was proud of his country and like it meant something to him. But they kept calling him. First of all, he wasn't from Africa and he wasn't from

America. But like that was stripped away for the sake of political correctness. That's what they do. I won't put white or Caucasian on forums. I'll put other because I'm not white and I'm not from the Caucasus. Well, you're allowed to do that now. Yeah. Yeah. Like the Caucasus region. Like I'm from Georgia or something.

I'm from Ohio. All right. All right. Let's let's get into the first story. Don't forget. We got. Sorry. Let's press.

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Jury selection expected to begin Tuesday, unless appeals court intervenes. They say motions were reviewed during a short one-hour session in the afternoon. Case resumes Thursday. They say jury selection was delayed for at least a day in the murder case against Chauvin, charged with killing George Floyd. Hennepin County District Attorney Judge Peter Cahill said he wants to hear from the State Court of Appeals about the prosecution's

desire to revive a third-degree murder charge to the counts of second-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death last May, which was captured on a bystander's cell phone and broadcast around the world. Cahill, who threw out the disputed count last fall, said the prospective jurors home for the day ahead of bringing them back. He sent the progressive jurors home for the day ahead of bringing them back on Thursday. This is where we're at so far. And outside of this news about the delay, we also have, they've set up barricades already, 2,000 National Guard being called in.

This is always the craziest thing. I'm like, when, you know, we're putting these videos together and trying to figure out what the right title should be. It's like, do we mention 2,000 National Guard called into Minneapolis because they're scared people are going to go crazy? Or do we just give you, like, the straight facts? And I was like, let's just, you know, let's avoid the like the, you know, National Guard's coming to get you. But I think it's fair to say no matter what happens, I think we'll see riots. You know, I don't know. I don't know what you think.

It's it's it's not going to end well. I mean, there was a I wish I remember his name, but there was a guy who wrote a piece on Medium way, way with around the time that all this stuff was going on. And he mentioned, you know, it's it's a part of the MPD's code. Like, they're allowed to use the knee on the neck or something like that in terms of restraint. And, I mean, his whole argument was that it's likely that Chauvin is not going to be convicted of first-degree murder. I just don't think these charges are going to stick. Second. Second.

Second-degree murder. They're trying to add third. So, I mean, I just don't know how these charges to stick. I think they're second, second, second, third. They're trying to add third. So, I mean, I just I don't know how these charges will stick. But it's also I mean, this this is a huge sticking point for me, because it's yet another in this litany of stories that involve law enforcement and a black person being being killed that that are completely distorted by by the press. And you you take this string of incidents or you or you or you create this string of incidents you know you don't look at them on an individual basis you know for me the eric garner case that was more of a gray area but then you have like the walter scott

case where he got shot in the back and it's a clear-cut case of of murder i think i think that cop is actually serving uh 20 years in prison was that the one where the guy was running away he was running away and the was running away. And the cop just pulled it and bam and shot him. Like that kind of stuff. You're like, you know, I think the Philando Castile shooting was also a bad shoot. But there's. And the NRA, that was the one where he legally owned a gun.

Oh, right, right, right, right, right. And the cop panicked and shot him anyway. That made me angry because I was like, the NRA should have been out here in two seconds. Right. And here's the thing on top of that, because there are many channels on YouTube that upload nothing but police body cam and dash cam footage. So you can, I mean, I've seen a lot of people get shot, but you can see hours and hours of what police have to deal with all the time. And when you begin to see, for instance, how a routine traffic stop that can be friendly, pleasant, can turn deadly like that.

Or you see, I mean, the idea of sending social workers to handle, for instance, like the… Capital insurrection. You know, well, it's just because, you know, when you see enough videos of like a six foot five, you know, dude who's in some kind of psychosis or he's on drugs or something, and they try tasers, they don't work. They try beanbag rounds, they don't work. I mean, they're emptying their magazines into this person, and they still don't die. You know what I mean? It's just there are so many more layers, and there are so many more things that you have to consider that people just don't consider when dealing with the police. You know what i mean take any one of these people to a firing range and then give them a handgun and

watch them completely change their opinions on all of this stuff yeah so i i recently was talking to some friends and explaining to them the first the first time i ever went to a shooting range it was during the ferguson riots i've mentioned this so you know fans of the show probably are familiar with the story they said the first thing was have you ever fired a gun before if you haven't we don't want you to go in there without without someone to train you and give you the basics and so i said i hadn't but the guy i was with was like this hardcore war journalist who's fired full auto you know ak's in the philippines and other crazy countries so he was like don't worry we'll teach him how to fire a glock no problem and my aim was actually no my my my aim was awful but i was consistent i aimed for the chest and the target

at seven yards and i hit him in the groin every time and but that's true story true story uh i was like i was very aware of how i was holding my body and i could i could repeat that same position but i was just shooting low every time and they told me i was probably pulling my hand down when i was pulling the trigger and they try giving these pointers what they told me was the average person that they give a handgun to can't hit the target at seven yards and believe it or not the other people who are with us they couldn't hit this thing i was i was amazed by like how bad everyone's accuracy was now you imagine you're what 20 yards away the myth buster

did this thing where they're like a person with a knife can close 21 yards before the cop can get his gun out so the the average person in a panic situation a cop even with certification of some sort it's a high intensity moment he's freaking out he's adrenaline rushing and he goes for his gun and the guy's already closed the gap yeah and if the guy's further away than that he's got to be pretty good proficient with his weapon people don't realize man there is a reporter who did uh who you can find this video on youtube um who was very much you know he was on that narrative of like you know you know anti-police and all this stuff and he went and under did the and underwent the training and that exact scenario you know someone and there's again there's videos online that you can find of people with a knife and you know they you know they might be across

the room or something like that and the officer will get stabbed several times before his partner is able to to draw and take the guy down i'm like there's there's but this reporter was like oh his mind totally changed because he saw just how dangerous somebody can be with a knife i mean there was that shooting recently was it in ph Philadelphia, where the guy had the knife and people were like, he shouldn't have been shot. I'm like, dude, you just he was on he was he was having some kind of mental. I don't know if the politically correct term is psychosis, or not. Episode, let's let's go with that. And Andy had a knife. And when you've when you've seen hours and hours of this stuff and you see how it turns out, it's one thing if you have an issue with police using lethal force. I could actually respect that position if you have an ethical problem with it. I'm just glad you're not a cop. But if you're trying to say, well, they should never, ever under any circumstances use, I'm like, dude, sorry, man. That's just not how life works. That not how life works you are divorced from reality i cannot ask in good conscience a cop to go out there knowing there are risks and i don't mean all the time it's not you know i'm sure they're they're they're going to be on edge in many

circumstances it's not like every day they go out there you know on the verge of dying but it is a lottery ticket where if you get those numbers right you get a bullet and so i'm not going to ask someone to buy that ticket unless i give them the opportunity to protect themselves in the event the ticket comes due. You know what I mean? So I see these cops who go out there, and I think we need police reform. I think we've got issues with police accountability. I've experienced this in Chicago. Always be better.

Absolutely. And at the same time, we just had this video go viral where a woman, I guess the story was a woman asked these cops to come in and protect her as she was going into her home because she was worried about an ex who was armed. And so the cops are like, he has a weapon. Let us know where the weapon is. And it seems like they're with her to protect this woman. Dude barges in the door and starts shooting like crazy. This is a reality, man, when you have to deal with the violence and the anger. And so here's what ends up happening is we're asking cops to end the

situation, but we're also asking them to essentially throw themselves in the sacrificial dagger in the event that something goes wrong. So you have, I think the George Floyd thing was a very, very tragic case with a whole lot of problems. And I do think that Chauvin bears some responsibility for this. That's why I said manslaughter may actually be an actual outcome. And the reason for it, he remained on the neck three minutes after Floyd was unresponsive. And so maybe you argue that the training says that's what you're supposed to do because it allows them to breathe. Maybe your argument is manslaughter. Like, you know, you could have done something. You were the one who restrained him. And the restraint was part of the, you know, the reason for death. But you have many circumstances where, well, let me start by saying this.

You have many circumstances where cops screw up. Philando Castile, legal gun owner in his car telling the cop, I do have my legal gun. And the cop panics and shoots him anyway. That's messed up. But then you have, you know know these circumstances where in that one viral video where these two cops are trying to subdue a guy and then he runs to his door grabs the gun and just shoots both these cops like crazy that that's that's real life these things happen i think is that the video where the one cops just starts this he lets out this blood curdling shriek

and then it's just silent after he gets i mean yeah that's that's some chilling stuff it is but you have to but you have but you have to be aware of that kind of thing and that kind of danger before you can really offer any sort of nuanced opinion on these kinds of matters. And now think about it. So for all the things I've seen wrong, like you mentioned, was the Michael Scott case. Yeah. Walter Scott. Walter Scott. Sorry.

Michael Scott is from the office. Yes. Great. Not him. Walter Scott was running away and the cop just looks and then puts a bullet in his back he went to prison for that he got held accountable i'm glad to hear it for all these other stories you got to understand the nuance and the way i usually put it is i hear the left say oh the likelihood they get shot or whatever is slim than none and i'm like

i i don't know i hear you i hear you so what you're saying is you think these guys should take a job that doesn't pay very well has has crappy hours, and every day is a lottery ticket where if their number comes due, they die. I'm sorry, man. I'm going to give them a weapon and say, in the event that happens, because we're asking you to do this on our behalf, you defend yourselves. And that means there's going to be some, some, there's going to be accidents. There's going to be bad people. And it means it's a part of life. We got it. We got to figure it out. When, when that dude shot, you know, Walter Scott in the back, he got arrested and charged for it. He got held accountable, thankfully, because of video.

So we need to make sure we're being reasonable. In the event with George Floyd, I think it's interesting. I think they overcharged the guy. And I think the activists want retribution. I don't think justice is the right word for it. The question is, was he defending himself? I agree with you. Because their job is they need to defend themselves.

But was was Chauvin defending himself? He wasn't. It didn't seem like it. No. And I definitely think the media and the left makes it out to be substantially worse than it was, especially after we saw the body camera footage. Floyd saying, take me out, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, things like that. But I do think there is a legitimate question where we can have a debate about manslaughter,

not murder the murder charges i think are going to fall off because i think third degree murder is that you intended to cause harm that resulted in death but i don't think look so we can pull this up we have this tweet from brandon stall you can actually see this is from the mpd training manual apparently it shows the cops putting their knee on the neck of another officer it's not a real you know submission this is a training video youtube don't demonetize us this is this is the police training material you can see they're trained to do this yeah and they're told to do it because they say place the subject in the recovery position to alleviate positional asphyxia the point of putting their knee on the neck is specifically to stop them from suffocating. The question is,

George Floyd was put in the custody of these officers. When the officers assume custody of an individual, they have a responsibility now. They have a responsibility to make sure that they're not causing the person harm or creating undue stress and checking on this individual. I will say the reason it's a tough question is because it was a matter of, it was nine minutes. To me, that's crazy. That's a long time to be kneeling on somebody, nine minutes. But it was three minutes where Floyd was unresponsive. What should he have done? And what was he doing? And what are the real questions we're trying to ask? Ultimately, I'm not sure prison solves anything. Maybe he gets kicked off the force because they were like, we need people

who aren't going to be, they're going to be more attuned to this. But prison time? I mean, I think that's bold. I mean, prison time, it might make some people feel better. But, I mean, let's be real. No matter how this shakes out, which, you know, I think we're all in agreement that it's not going to be what a lot of people wanted. The people seeking retribution want it to be. And, you know, we I think they want first degree murder. But, you know, they're already primed now because as soon as as the lesser charges go through, they're going to say this is yet another instance of the racist system in America, you know, being unjust toward toward black Americans. And, you know, I, I'm

trying to stave off this, this creeping nihilism. But you know, there, there, there are a lot of instances where I feel like, you know, there's just, you can't, I guess, I guess I shouldn't say can't, but I don't, I just don't know't know how you walk back from all of this. The optimistic? Well, this is what's funny because I tend to be more pessimistic, but I also feel like, well, if you become demoralized and you become depressed, then they, whoever they is, then they win. Right. I spend a lot of time down in Atlanta now at my job, which I won't mention because I don't want people to track me down and be crazy. But it's my job to enforce a dress code. Let's say that.

And so the minute that somebody shows up and they're not in dress code and they happen to not be white, they immediately jump to, well, you're racist. And then they're like, what about that person? Oh, you mean that black person wearing a blazer and dress shoes that is in dress code? Okay, if there are black people inside, then how is it racist that you can't get inside? But that's where their mind jumps to. Do they call you racist?

Yeah. Oh, Uncle Tom. They call me a house negro, except they use the other N-word. One of the guys I work with is South Africa. I'm like, how much blacker can you get than someone from Africa? And yet they call him the same kind of things when he's when, you know, we're just enforcing these rules about power. But it's but it's deeper than that, though, because, you know, I think about the average life of a say a black kid in America. And, you know, they wake up in the morning, they go to school.

And what are their educators telling them? Oh, America is racist. You know, Civil War, Abe Lincoln, MLK. They, you know, their favorite athletes, their favorite comedians, their favorite musicians, they all have this same sort of message. They go on social media, they watch the news. It's the same message. It's, you know, their relatives, their friends and family are all saying the same things to them. So this is a constant inundation of this worldview that says that white people are evil, America is racist. And this is generations and generations now. And, you know, again, in my darker moments, I say, how do you combat that? You know, and, you know, someone like someone like me comes along. And here's and here's another irony of it, because when I was a kid, it was the other,

you know, people think that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. That is not true at all. But, you know, I grew up in, you know, around working class, you know, sort of more on the poor and poorer end of things. And because of the way I carry myself, the fact that I had the temerity to turn in my homework on time, or at least to try, I was accused of acting white. And now what's happening is that you have this educated class now, this intelligentsia, this bourgeois class or whatever of white, but also black people who are also saying the same things about, you know,

if you're punctual, if you're disciplined, if you're a rugged individualist, then you're striving for whiteness. If you're looking for financial success or whatever, then you're striving for whiteness. So now you're getting it from the bottom and from the top as well. And so I don't know where you... You have to find some way to break out of that and escape from it. And I don't know what those avenues are for people. Have you seen that thing from the Smithsonian? Yes. Before I even explain.

Well, let's break it down for the audience. Please, Tim, break it down. Where it's like scheduling is whiteness and being on time and working hard, saving for the future. I saw that and I thought to myself, for those unfamiliar, like the Smithsonian had this chart where it's like a graphic explaining that, like I said, working hard is considered a trait of being white. I'm like, wow, white supremacists would completely agree. But what I thought when I saw this was, have they never been to like an African country? Like people have jobs. People have schedules. People have schedules.

People work hard. People save for the future. They're racists. They literally think that like these countries in Africa that function, that have employees and businesses and that are predominantly black don't have schedules. Yeah. Don't save money in a bank. Also, you have to imagine that whoever created that poster, I'm sure they had to meet a deadline

at some point. You know, they had to be able to compose their sentences properly and make their points. Follow their schedules. Their schedules. It's this – I mean, I had an argument with one of my Harlem roommates, actually, and he actually was mad at me. I was talking about striving for financial success. He's like, man, that's just another way of people who claim to be fighting on my behalf say that anything that you could possibly do to improve your life means that you are not really who you are? You know, it's, it's, it's, and people, and people can't see it because, I mean, that's the power of, I don't know, the leftist brand, the Democrat brand, whatever you want to say. But,

you know, I mean, I left the Democratic Party two years ago because I began to say, you know what, these people are not, they're not in my corner. They're telling me all these things that are going to lead to a terrible life and a life of dependency and insecurity. And yet they still want me to vote for the politicians that are pushing forward these same things. You know, and, you know, I shudder to think of how much money I could have right now if I just decided to say, you know what, everyone and and i'm a victim and um and donate to my paypal exactly give me a book deal or you know or you know nike please give me money mcdonald's please give me money this is the funny thing about when they say like grifter and all that stuff it's like dude do you like you realize the corporations support the leftist narrative if If I wanted a big sponsorship from big brands who paid big bucks and I was really intending on grifting people, I'd just be a leftist.

Yeah. It's like all of these major brands change all their logos to rainbows and candy canes and all that stuff. And I'm sitting here. I'll be honest. It's not like this show is like far right conservative or anything like that. It's not? No, sir. Apparently not. Apparently not. Then what am I doing here? Right down the middle. I mean. It's not? No, sir. Apparently not.

Then what am I doing here? Right down the middle. I mean, that's the funny thing, too. It's like, the centrist doesn't exist to any of these people. No, no. It's funny. So I have some descriptions of me say, Tim Pool has been variously described as left-wing and right-wing.

It's like, maybe it's because I'm a centrist. I think there are some things conservatives got right. I think they're the ones standing up for free speech for the most part right now. You definitely got conservatives who are pro cancel culture. They'll say they aren't, but they would want to cancel people if they had the chance. For the time being, there are more moderates and conservatives who are saying, hey, don't ban speech. The left, the neoliberal left for the most part is anti-speech. Shout out to Jacobin. I know a lot of people don't aren't fans of them but for a leftist socialist

publication they've defended free speech for some really abhorrent people saying right they'll come for us the moment they cut that you you let them go for them so i can respect that i don't care where you are on the spectrum if we believe in freedom individuality you know self-respect and all that stuff or like a um responsibility i think it's just easier way to put it all of that's kind of going out the window these days like the whole the whole idea is that you know, self-respect and all that stuff or like, um, responsibility, I think is just easier way to put it. All of that's kind of going out the window these days. Like the whole, the whole idea is that I guess on the left you are, it's a really, it's a really horrible way to live. You are responsible.

Let me put it this way. You have to do what the left wants you to do. And if you screw up, it's your fault. You get no benefits for being an individual. You have no right to work. They create villains to keep you in do. And if you screw up, it's your fault. You get no benefits for being an individual. You have no right to work. They create villains to keep you in line. But the moment you make a mistake, then you are an individual. Then they do sacrifice you. Then they do come for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I was actually attended what they called a salon. This was in New York City. It was hosted by an actor friend of mine, a brilliant guy, excuse me.

And he showed this video where this guy explicitly said, people tend to focus too much on the individual. We need to focus more on the collective. And I was like, well, I was very silent during that entire affair. People were like, what do you think, black guy? I mean, this is one of those things where you had to walk in. They had these bracelets at the door and you had to put one bracelet on for each mark of privilege that you had. So, you know, if your parents went to college, wear a bracelet. If you are able to vote, wear this privilege bracelet. You know, if you have a mother and a father, it's just like,

there's this, I mean, it's a secular religion, man secular religion man there's all these like there's self-castigation it's just it's it's it's so insane to me i took the privilege i took the privilege test and i scored very very poorly oh i'm sorry tim very poorly yeah so it's like it it asks you a lot of these a lot of questions are you religious you know are you white are you male it's like what's your gender what's your race what's your religion what was your family's income level? And all of these things. Have you ever been a victim of this, a victim of that? And I'm going through it and it was like, it's like, you are very underprivileged or whatever. And I was like, I never knew that. I never knew that. I guess I understood growing up, we weren't rich, but it never mattered.

Also, what is the right amount of privilege? You notice nobody ever really dictate or quantifies what that is. You're overprivileged or you're underprivileged. But no is what is the right amount of privilege you notice no one nobody ever really dictate or or quantifies what that is you're overprivileged or you're underprivileged but no what is the perfect amount of privilege that we're that we're allowed to have i don't know because i know you can't quantify it that's the problem i know people that were born in pretty much the same situation to be strong family and part of like they looked like their surroundings so like they had that familiarity bias i don't even think it's a racial thing. I think it's like if you're familiar with your surroundings, you know, someone looks like me in a- Brett Weinstein basically says this.

Yeah, yeah. But they're like losers. No offense to you guys if you can hear me out there and you know who you are. But they never made much of themselves. But they had that, they still had that privilege. And then I know people that I had to, I was a huge nerd. I mean, look at me. I was like pushed around in school i would talk like this in school and people be like you're get out of my you know weirdo weird things it was hard but i had i had some privilege but

you have to strive to make something yourself regardless of what kind of privilege so the privilege is not gonna is not gonna give you the success you have to take that no you know you know i read something interesting uh i was talking to a friend of mine, this guy I know, and he said that he was shocked. He said it's shocking that we don't teach Juneteenth in schools. And I said, bro, they taught me Juneteenth in school. I think the issue is your school didn't teach you Juneteenth. So I don't know where you went to school. In the city, yeah, we talked about it.

I'm not going to pretend like the school celebrated or anything, but I remember opening up the book and then reading about this history. And I think the issue was where he grew up in his community, perhaps his community didn't, like there's certain stories and certain things they didn't think were as relevant, so they ignore them. It's not like you're going to teach literally every child, every grade school kid about every bit of history. And I thought it was interesting that he said that because I was like, first of all, it shows you that your experience is – you think your experience is the world's experience.

You think because they didn't teach you that I wasn't taught or other schools don't. That's just you, man. And it's really funny because – I don't know. You're familiar with Ryan Long, the comedian? I know who he is, but I'm not. He's got a new bit. And it's brilliant where it's basically a therapist telling the woman no matter what she does wrong, she should tell the world to change instead of her.

So he's like when she's like, you know, I can't seem to find a good guy. He's like, have you considered writing an article telling men what they can do better? But it's a good point, because when I hear people say, like, why aren't schools teaching this? I'm like, bro, they do. Not all of them and not yours. So maybe there's an argument. But then why don't we teach the Holodomor? You know what I mean? Like you choose what you think matters to you. See the problem? I'm not here to disrespect anybody's struggles or plights. And I also don't know what history is more important based on privilege. Is the Holodomor ignored because it was white people? Oh, I'm sorry.

The Coalition of Communities of Color said that Slavs, Slavic people, are people of color now. So does that mean that we are ignoring a genocide of people of color in the Holodomor by not teaching this to grade school children? Or does it make sense because Juneteenth is literally an American holiday in 47 states, and it should be more prominent in this country. These are just conversations. I work backwards. So we were talking before we came on air. I'm binging a lot of Thomas Sowell right now, and he goes in on what he calls intellectuals, the intelligentsia, and visions of the world. You know, I think everyone should read A Conflict of Visions to sort of get a grasp on its soul's attempt to highlight the roots of the ideological fissures of our time. And he talks about the intelligentsia in terms of journalism and journalists and how they tend to filter out facts that are inconvenient to their own vision.

So, you know, why don't we teach the Holodomor? Well, it's inconvenient to the leftist vision of the world, you know. And Juneteenth isn't, so they're bringing it up now. And then talking about who, you know, they're not teaching this in schools. I mean, I remember there was some tweet about people like to forget about Emmett Till. I'm like, who has not been told about Emmett Till? Everyone knows who Emmett Till is. I don't know who is not teaching that.

But again, it's like, you know, you're... I don't know. Who is he? Are you serious? No, see, this is a good point, though. Wow. So Emmett Till was this kid who, basically, he was accused of whistling at a white woman. This was back in the 50s, I want to say.

And he got the crap beat out of him. You can find pictures online of his corpse. It's beaten beyond recognition. They beat him. They threw him in a body of water. It was awful. It was horrible. But every person I've met, except for Ian, apparently, knows that story.

But this idea, like, we're not teaching this is wrong. The last thing I want to say, just working back a little bit, is that Juneteenth, June should be Black History Month. The one stereotype that I will accept about black folks is that we do not like the cold. They gave us the

shortest, coldest month to celebrate our history. Why is that? That's just ridiculous to me. But even better, when you said June should be Black History Month, I'm like, that is the month of Juneteenth. Exactly. It makes sense. I'm launching a campaign right now. No, I'm kidding. Can you guys briefly, and forgive my ignorance, explain Juneteenth and the Holdemar? Can you explain those really quick? Oh, God. Holdemar, basically, Stalin, lots of policies that led to starvation of millions of Ukrainians.

The New York Times, famously, under a journalist named Walter Durante, who has an award named for him. And this guy later won a Pulitzer Prize, which the New York Times has not rescinded. He deliberately filtered out, as I said before, the information about the Hall of the Moor. And meanwhile, there was another British journalist. And I wish I remembered his name But he was actually reporting what was going on And he got smeared and impoverished Long story short, Holodomor was a genocide of Ukrainians

The Soviet Union took all their food away from them, basically And they all just started starving to death It's brutal, horrific And Juneteenth, I've heard a lot about it But I would love for some clarification Oh, I don't remember what it is It's like the emancipation it's the it's it's essentially it's the june 19th the celebration of the the day i think i could be wrong the day the uh the union marched in texas and enforced

the end of slavery officially it was like the last person who was still enslaved got like oh finally and there's a move to make it a national holiday. So interestingly, in more recent times, 47 states already have it as a holiday. And I got to be honest, I think we should absolutely as a nation celebrate Juneteenth. I really do. It's a significant event. It's Independence Day, man. And I've heard the leftists talk about how it's like they, you know, we finally said this is the end of slavery. And I'm like, dude, absolutely.

Like it was a horrible thing. And I'm all about, you know, more celebrations for America and the things we've done. Right. So the 4th of July, I'm down. You mean I get another one a month before to celebrate? Do you know, do you know, do you know how much barbecuing is going to happen if we put Black History Month in June? All right, man. Come on, man. It's just just make it happen. Cut Kamala, make it happen. I'll tell you the issue I take with a lot of the critical race theory, a lot of the leftist approach to things is like, I'm, you know, I did an hour long documentary on Ferguson and Pruitt-Igoe and public housing and the racial covenants of St. Louis, systemic racism,

institutional racism. And, you know, when I when I sit down with conservatives and Trump supporters and actually have conversations as like human beings sitting down together to have discussions, we actually come to an understanding of each other's views and politics and understandings. And if there's something like Ian wasn't familiar with Juneteenth, I'm not going to be the expert. I probably got some of it wrong, but I'll just be like, oh, so it's basically this. So when when i talk to conservatives treating them as humans and good people who just you know maybe don't understand then all of a sudden they're like oh i didn't know that that's interesting like surprise surprise when you actually sit down with someone have a

conversation with them like oh they may still be like well i disagree with these particular points so the issue i take is we just basically said on this show june teeth should be a national holiday we should have tons of barbecuing and the problem with a lot of the mainstream left is that they need the conflict. Like when you mentioned your roommate who said, you know, you know, you're just trying to like act white or whatever that was. It's like they've they've created the villain that those of us who are fighting for civil rights and have for a long time and social justice are trying to do away with this idea that people are villains based on race. We want to be like, no, no, no, people are villains because they're bad people with bad ideas,

and they want to hurt you. But there are good people of all different races, and there are bad people of all different races. But I think the people who want power in politics, and sometimes it's Republicans. I think Republicans have a lot of faults. But Democrats absolutely love using race as a wedge to drive a push for power. And I'll give you a really good example. They complain the Republican Party is too white. It's a bunch of white men, they say.

And then when the RNC had several prominent black conservatives, they insulted them and called them all the awful racial slurs. And I'm like, so you asked them to do better? The Republicans were like, absolutely, you're right. And then you insulted the people who spoke like dude i can complain about mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham and the and the weak republicans the phrase republican leadership is an oxymoron i think everybody watches no i say this all the time the democrats are something else you know i grew i grew up in chicago and i feel it's probably one of the reasons why i have a bias very much so against democrats i think

it should be obvious to anybody so i I grew up in a Democrat run city. I was personally screwed over by Democrats as somebody who was, you know, essentially a liberal living in the city. Republicans didn't affect me in any way. I watch Mitch McConnell. What does he do? He goes, slow down there, Democrats. And then he obstructs things.

I was talking to a Democrat friend and she was just saying all he does is sit on things and stop things from happening. And I'm like, right. And the Democrats actually do stuff they do stuff that's either bad for us or they do like or they don't do what we want to do and they do bad things i'll put it that way like you get joe biden two thousand dollar checks everyone says yes fine they agree and then he doesn't do it he goes and bomb syria instead and again i know you know donald trump missile strikes drone strikes all the bad stuff too there too. There's a lot to unpack breaking down all of that stuff.

But ultimately, I really do feel like the Democrats are worried if we actually had the conversation where it was like, oh, I don't really care about race or gender and stuff. I think people should be treated respectfully and we should come together and fight for common causes, particularly class issues. Oh, that's bad news for them. Well, I'm convinced that most of us in this country agree on a lot of things. There are some hot button issues like abortion, for instance, that are just really emotional, and people have very divergent views on that. But I think we agree on more things than we are led to believe. And I say all the time, get off of social media, get off of don't stop watching the news and just start talking to people. And you'll see just how, you know, when I when I left when I left New York City, the dystopian wasteland that it's now become. And I and I went to a city like Atlanta. You know, I was so heartened by just talking to people who are not in this progressive bubble, who they have.

They're connected to life in a way that people in New York City are just are just not. And they have concerns that that, you know, that that New Yorkers just don't that aren't that aren't really they aren't really privy to. And going back to your point about about Democrats, you know, one of the reasons that that motivated my my deregistering from the party, You know, I mean, as a black person, you're just expected to be a Democrat, but you can't honestly ignore the fact that you have all of these cities that have large black populations that are afflicted with blight,

all kinds of disparities, you know, between rich and poor, you know, crime, and they're run by Democrats. In many instances, they've been run by Democrats for decades, and yet people still keep supporting them. So, and, you know, and I got backlash on Twitter when I'm like, you know, well, I'm not going to vote for Democrats just automatically. They're taking our vote for granted. They piss on your face, and they're telling you it's raining. They do it all the time. And black people just eat it up. And I just, I'm just, you know, I'm all about black empowerment. But for me, my empowerment is,

you know, not automatically subscribing to any one worldview or any party. It's like, you know, you want to earn my vote, then earn my vote. Don't just assume that I'm going to go there. And you can just say things and be like, oh, white people, white people, white people. And I'm going to be like, oh, okay. Yeah. I'll just go along with it. I'm just not that guy. I'll tell you what I see. I see a big part of the problem is, right? So you said everyone you've met knows about Emmett Till. Ian didn't.

I was talking about my friend who said, you know, I'm surprised people don't teach about Juneteenth. And I'm like, they taught us when we were in school. Yeah, the irony. These people, these progressives and these leftists, and many of them, I get it, good natured, righteous indignation. The problems they're talking about are in democrat run cities like you mentioned so when you complain about police brutality you're not talking about rural idaho you're talking about new york city when you

mention stop and frisk new york city when you talk about racially segregated neighborhoods like redlining that was chicago the red line it's the train line it's called the red line they called it redlining these things were all happening in cities run by Democrats for like 100 years. So maybe you got issues. Look, I've been to conservative parts of the South, very racist places. I've been to a lot of them. People have their own worldviews based on where they live. And I think one of the issues is that these progressives live in cities and then they treat the whole country like a city block in Manhattan.

And they do it with the media. Like the media gets into all the cities. It's even like culture – politics downstream from culture, you know, fantastic concept. They'll go to a bar in Manhattan and then attribute their experience to rural Idaho. And then they'll make a commercial and show it on TV in rural Idaho and start messing with people. And it's so insidious. It's so...

Having spent 15 years in New York, I mean, it's such an enveloping experience. And even I have to stop myself from... I have to remind myself that this is just a really unique place to be. And not everywhere is like this and not everywhere should be like this. And, you know, New Yorkers, you know, they think they're smarter than everybody else. And they think that everywhere should be like New York. But then when you leave New York, people are like, man, I like New York. I don't care. You from New York. Right. You know, you Yankee, yada, yada, yada.

Like they just they just don't care nobody thinks that nobody thinks that new yorkers are as cool as new yorkers do yeah were you in manhattan oh yeah people in manhattan were like brooklyn's not new york well but everyone everyone in the and everyone in new york agrees staten island isn't new york even people from staten island well but but also there's this i mean it's i've spoken to people brilliant people who you know that they say for instance you know i don't like those flyover country people people who have grown up in the lap of affluence and privilege say i don't like these but i'm like dude as soon as you leave manhattan the rest of the state is pretty red right you know i mean i

you you can go upstate you know and you can find you can see trump signs i mean you know maybe even a confederate flag or two you know maybe yeah you can see Trump signs. I mean, you know, maybe even a Confederate flag or two, you know, maybe. Yeah. And it's – so I'm like, dude, you're even – They're bubbles. They're in the bubbles. You're crapping on your own people. They're in bubbles.

And the bubbles are actually getting smaller and smaller in physical space but denser in population. Yeah. So you go outside New York, even a couple miles, it's red. Yeah. You start seeing a bunch of Republicans and Trump supporters. And I'll say this too, just in terms of the COVID response. I mean, that in and of itself, I mean, I feel like I have a bit of a unique experience in terms of having lived in the city at the start of the pandemic. I was one of the people, I mean, I was sanitizing my mail and my groceries back in January and February, man. I was

stocking up on food. I was telling my friends and and family i still have nitrile gloves left over from when i from when i stocked up on supplies someone on twitter was like so that means you robbed uh uh medical professionals of like much needed gear i was like oh my god but but you know but then you go to they were saying back then man they were but don't wear masks they said that's crazy yeah thanks uh surgeon general but then when you go to um a like Atlanta, where it's way more relaxed, and then you come back to New York. I mean, New York right now. I mean, I'm in this chat group on Twitter.

And it's a lot of lefties and liberals who are against the lockdown measures. And a lot of us are in New York. A lot of us met up in New York last time I was there. And I'm, you know, if you live in New York City, you are inundated every moment of your life. Once you leave your, your, your apartment, your, your shoe box with, you know, there's arrows on the ground telling you where to walk. There's little circles telling you where to stand, you know, inside and outside. There's, there's advertisements everywhere telling you to wear your mask. There's train announcements. There's

digital advertising. There's, it's every, it's everywhere. Get, you know, get your vaccine. Stay away from each other. Mask up. Don't wear it underneath your nose. I mean, it's just it's constant. It's constant. It's constant. Then you go to Atlanta. And I mean, I make this point on Twitter, like you can go get a lap dance in Atlanta right now. And no one cares. You know, I mean, I work at a nightclub down there. No one's wearing masks inside because they want to get out and party and like they it's not that they don't care it's just that you know it's it's just a whole different vibe then you come to new york and everyone is like walking around outside with their masks on and and they're just they're they're afraid and they're not socializing and it's it's a totally different world but they don't know it because they're in

this bubble in new york and they just and they watch the news all the time and they just they don't know you look at it like uh in response to texas opening up you get michael moore and keith olbermann saying take the vaccines away from texas everyone should die yeah yeah exactly and it's like dude you realize like just just like a little bit less than half of texas votes democrat like they like it was very close between you know was it beto and ted cruz but they're running i think yeah it was like pretty close and you know, was it Beto and Ted Cruz? They're running. I think, yeah, it was like pretty close. And so a bunch of even leftists and Democrats were like, guys, please. There are Democrats who live in Texas. You don't want any of them to die.

And they were like, there was one tweet from this guy. He was like, furthermore, Republicans shouldn't die either simply because they voted for a Republican. That's insane that these prominent progressives say this. But look at, you know, look at who these people are. Limousine liberal Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore. They live in the bosom of wealth in ultra liberal cities. I don't exactly know where they're living right now. But they're totally in this weird bubble surrounded by other weirdos who think this is popular opinion.

And even regular, like even media Democrats who have all of their biases. We always complain about them we're like dude dude dude come on like we don't want republicans to die from the virus yeah we can complain about the governor and stuff but like florida's been open the whole time and i'm like here here dude like i agree man i think it's just one of the problems is that you have personalities like this like like older men like my like like Moore, who it's the definition of a grifter. You know what I mean? They love to point the fingers in my direction.

And I'm like, dude, I'll just say whatever I feel like saying. Michael Moore trying to rile people up to the point where he actually says take the vaccines away. Or maybe they shouldn't have vaccines. And Keith Olbermann saying they shouldn't have vaccines. I'm like, not even leftists were like saying that. Because you actually have people on the left who have opinions i disagree with some of their opinions i agree with some of their opinions and i think many of them genuinely believe what they believe but i look at people

like olbermann or more when they say stuff say stuff like that i'm like they don't believe any of this they're just saying what they think will rile up enough people to get a bunch of retweets and it worked they're they're part of they're part of the quote unquote intelligentsia. And I also notice a trend among a lot of these people. I mean, I often say that Twitter is a place where you can get away with saying things that would get you punched in the face in real life. And a lot of these so-called radicals or whatever, there's a guy that I follow.

I follow him explicitly because I disagree with him so vehemently. He's a socialist. I'm not gonna say what his name is, but he's tweeting the most overheated, hyperbolic, melodramatic rhetoric about we have to overthrow the capitalistic system. And every time there's a black person holiday, he's like, Malcolm X. And then you watch a video, and he's just the most – I mean, I don't know how to describe it. But he sounds like this. I'm like, of course you sound like that. video you know and he's just the most i mean how i mean i don't know how to describe it but you know he just he sounds like this and i'm like of course you sound like that because when it when

when when the revolution goes down you ain't going to be nowhere to be found you you know you like if he's gonna be one of those people who's like he's gonna have a gun and be like oh i don't i don't know what to do with with this and oh people are punching people like i don't know what to do it's the it's the softest people who have the most s to talk it's all like every time you know start like i've been i've been getting more i became more of a gun person in the past year because of most because of the riots yes you have i'm finding bullets just randomly around the house by the way it's it's actually pretty hilarious well they're not it's not random it's not random okay yeah no it is it is strategic but i won't get into too much detail because you know security at the house and everything like that.

But it isn't random. And I started, you know, going to the range. We mentioned this earlier in the show. Like, give someone a handgun who's never fired before. Man, will they not be able to make it work. And so the people who – there's a lot of new gun owners. A lot of liberals went out and bought guns. And I hope, hope, hope, hope, any of you listening who are

new gun owners, you go take some classes. You go to a local range. You ask people to give you all the tips in the world because you need to respect what it means to be well-versed in the rules, the safety, how to actually shoot.

When the revolution comes, a lot of these people who are on the left, they're not going to know how to operate a gun at all comes a lot of these people who are you know on the left they're not going to know how to operate a gun at all no and so there's a joke where a lot of conservatives say this they were like i can't remember exactly what the joke is i'm sure people listening will know it but it's something like you know thank you to all of the liberals who are buying supplies you're collecting them for the people who own guns you know which is like the conservatives Cause when it really comes down to it, what are you going to do? You know, when, when people are getting violent, it's the,

it's the craziest thing when I have these conversations with people and they don't think anything bad is happening because we are truly frogs in a pot boiling. I hear a lot of people saying like, Tim, you were scaremongering about civil war or whatever. And I was like, yeah. And then like 800 people stormed into the US Capitol building, I guess. So was I wrong? Like, I didn't say the apocalypse was going to happen. And like, we were going to see meteors fall from the sky and the whole planet was going to blow up.

I said, people are going to start escalating the violence and the tensions. And it's literally happening. And I don't see any reason why it would stop at this point, because they're still just ramping things up. It's kind of like a global civil war. This fifth, I was going to call it fifth dimensional, fifth generational war. But it doesn't have to be one country. Yeah, but it's like a civil world war.

Like it's an economic world war or a political world war right now. It's a weird time of upheaval. You know what I mean? It's very, very, it's weird. It's unique. And I think that's the issue too, is too much. We have that saying, right? Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

Well, there should be another saying where it's like those who think the future will be based on the past 100% are fools. I don't know. It's not a good quote. But you get the idea, right? You can't look at 1860s and be like, that's going to happen today. It's like, what are you talking about? We have phones. You know what I mean?

Like, we have the internet. Like, there's just. You have artificial intelligence. like, what are you talking about? We have phones. You know what I mean? Like, we have the internet. Like, there's just... We have artificial intelligence. This is like... Yeah, seriously. Satellites. And nuclear bombs. You know, it's not going to be the same conflict.

You know, back in the day, I love talking about this because it's a point a lot of people don't realize. Could you imagine during the Civil War sending a message from D.C. to, like, Fort Sumter? And you're like, how do we get a message there? Put it on horseback. And then it'll be there in a week today it's like let me just text jim yep you got the message all right they're moving out it's just like the instant instantaneous transmission of information has changed everything totally totally so what we experience is going to be very very different it's not going to be you know like the past yeah you. You know, I don't, I don't know how things are going to work out. I mean, I, I, I am curious, um, what is his name? Michael Malice, who talks about, uh, you know, all this chaos is actually good because on the other side of it, um, you know, we're going

to come out better for it. And maybe, maybe he's right. I mean, maybe, maybe that's part of why people like me are popping up because we're saying, you know, more and more of us are saying like, no, this is not okay. I don't, uh, i'm not okay with the way things are going um but at the same time whatever happens in terms of getting to that place that whatever that that proverbial better place might be i mean maybe that it that actually now that i think about it that might be another form of utopianism in a way it's like you know what's on the other side of that it's no place you ever watch star trek no i watched the next generation like back in the day great show that's one of the best shows ever made one of my all-time favorite shows and i'm just like i look at this vision of the future

where you've got people of all different race and species they work together there's alliances and i'm just imagining like this this air this 90s era liberalism that truly believed in treating people based on the content of their character resulted in this idea and it wasn't even 90s i mean you go back to the original star trek and they had like the first interracial kiss right you know uhuru right uhura uhura yeah wrong one oh no oh they're all gonna come they're gonna come after me yeah yeah but so so it was always fairly progressive and then in the 90ss, it brings about this vision of a future where people are all getting along and judging people on the content of their character. Could you imagine Star Trek today where it's like an alien race comes in? They're like, how many arms do you have?

Okay, you have no arm privilege, but you are psychic. Oh, you have psychic privilege. And it's like a show based on that worldview would just be it would just be like the most painfully dystopian nightmare yeah not a good idea for a future i like this idea where we're all just like we're gonna get out of spaceship and go to space i don't care what you look like can you press the button great let's do it you know what i mean i feel like the the previous show that you mentioned however even though nobody would watch it i guarantee you would get at least a 90 on rotten tomatoes i i should probably shower with awards oh yeah it would be like one percent audience rating

but like 100 certified fresh exactly exactly i think i think we should uh film a sketch like that but not be explicit in the comedy of it like literally just make woke star trek as like a short like three minute little little bit and just see if that happens take it seriously take it seriously yeah yeah like the captain has to be like a disabled person of color who's non-binary and you know because a privilege is not going to be given to the white male or whatever and then a certain species comes in and it's like a floating mass and it has no legs it has no color and so the like it has no known privilege you know that would be excellent i think i think the um i think the the captain

should be oh gosh it should be a a fat black transgender paraplegic in a hijab that should be the captain of this of this star trek series well i think you know taking it seriously it uh all of the cultures and everything of the united states of this i'm not the united states of the of the world coming together and i think that's actually a legitimate uh depiction of a future captain i think that's like the vision they have for it you know south park did it as a bunch of olive skinned bald people who went. Future people. Well, let's let's let's let's we got it. You know, we skipped over Cuomo, basically, but it's fine because that conversation was way was great, was better.

And in my opinion, we got we got to do this story, though. We have to from USA Today, Burger King, UK under fire for tweeting. I can't read this quote. I'm going to break the quote up so that no one claims it came from me. Women belong, and this is Burger King, in the kitchen. And that's what Burger King said. All right? Now, I break it up that way because someone's going to try and pull it out of context and try and make it seem like I'm the one saying that.

I do not believe women belong in the kitchen. I'm actually not. I'm a proponent of women succeeding in the workplace and getting beautiful salaries and, you know, running companies. More to the point, we can all be proud of the fact that the military-industrial complex is now run by women. Great strides in blowing up children. Women are killers too, everyone. Oh, yeah. Fantastic.

You know, but to be serious, they can be. You look at how the prison system handles women and they treat women with they get less harsher penalties they get more lenient sentences than men absolutely no women can be murderers and criminals and all that really awful stuff too they can be warmongers and and uh you know weapons manufacturers and all that stuff and burger king thought it would be a good idea to claim that they believed women, they believe, belong in the kitchen. So USA Today writes, Burger King's attempt to highlight gender disparity in the restaurant industry with a provocative tweet appears to have backfired on Monday, which is also International Women's Day. Burger King tweeted this out.

Yep, yep. I just, I can't believe it. A bunch of nationalists and pro-Western personalities are saying, thank you, Burger King, for saying what needs to be said. This is exactly what women need to understand. And it's like, oh, geez. And the left is saying, apparently Burger King is defending themselves. They're like, it was a good tweet that is bringing attention to the issue that only 20% of culinary professionals are women. And then the left is just like, so why did you have to tweet this sentence, which is not in any way conveying the message you think it is if if if it had been me i would have uh i would have said that uh i just would have called myself burger queen for a day and then maybe that would have been okay yeah that's a good idea just call it burger queen just burger queen for a day that's a good idea i should hire you

for marketing i don't think they should but i saw it and i was like this is this is hilarious and of course my my my first thought was uh i mean you know i i we got to keep it family friendly it's it's so it's so difficult for me but but it's it's just it's just this this idea that um you know it's like well i i i guess they they could be in in the kitchen if if they truly be in the kitchen if they truly want to be. What if they're choosing to be in the kitchen? Of course, when I let them out. That's right. Women have been fighting for thousands of years to get out of the kitchen and fight the patriarchy with a single tweet.

Burger King is trying to put them back in the kitchen. I know. I know. How dare they? No, but it's even funny, too. Like, so what Burger King is basically saying is that culinary professionals tend to be men. And I'm like, even to that regard, like, is it possibly because we have socialized to

the point where we're telling women not to take these jobs and to be professionals and go and work for bigger corporations? Like, we have been screaming to our children, you know, particularly young girls, be the CEO, be the high powered attorney, be the executive. And so, I mean, these things have consequences. So now we're 20 years later, and you have a bunch of women who are going to school specifically for jobs that will make them a lot of money and give them a lot of power in corporations, not culinary arts. I think for a lot of people working give them a lot of power in corporations, not culinary arts. I think, I think for a lot of people working as a chef in like the culinary industry,

it's very much about a passion for cooking and baking and creating food. And when you take, when you take these kids and you tell them you'll, you won't be respected, you won't make money, don't do it. What happens? You get a bunch of people who are like, I'm going to do what I, what I have fun doing and what I enjoy doing. You have the stigma for the most part for young money don't do it what happens you get a bunch of people who are like i'm gonna do what i what i have fun doing and what i enjoy doing you have the stigma for the most part for young women being told you have to do more because you won't have respect unless you take these jobs men aren't hearing that so they're like i love cooking i'm gonna go cook well it's it's the strangest phenomenon and you know i've i'm at an age now where i i see a lot of new mothers and I become disturbed on their behalf because

they actually feel guilty that they want to spend more time with their children. And I'm thinking to myself, isn't the whole point of all of this is to provide you with options so that if you choose to, you can stay home. And I think this also speaks to something deeper, and it's sort of related to COVID in a way, like the instinct that so many people seem to have to want to stay, just stay indoors and stay away from just living their lives. It's this devaluation of life. I mean, my thing is, yeah, you know, it's great if you have all these degrees and all these accomplishments. But A, I mean, every new father I've met has said, yeah, you know, I got to keep working. I wish I could stay home and be with my kids. Like, they understand the

sacrifice that they're making, but I don't find as many women who understand that sort of cost benefit now. And I wonder if it's because they've been told all their lives that they need to succeed. And I'm thinking to myself, well, we've known you can't take it with you. You can't take all your degrees and all your money with you. But your children do live on after you. I was doing these Shakespeare sonnets, and a lot of them have to do with just fertility and carrying on your legacy and your lineage. And they're very wise. You know, they're these 14 line poems.

And within each of them, you know, he's addressing, you know, somebody. And at least in this first chunk of them, he's talking about, you know, well, you're young now, but you're not always going to be young. And one of the best ones, he says, you know, well, when you are old, if you have children, then your, then your own youth and that, and the joyous time that you had in your youth will be reflected back to you. And you can, and you, and that youth will live in your own youth will live forever through the youth of your children. They actually call passing your wealth down to your child's succession. And that's success. I

mean, the word success comes when you succeed, you're sending all of your things to the next generation. But even then, it's like, you know, even if we're just talking about material wealth, I mean, what other kinds of wealth are there? There's, you know, what your philosophical wealth, your, you know, emotional wealth, your ideas, your philosophies on life. And these are also things that you can pass down to your children that you can't earn in a workplace or at a university. You know, what blows my mind is we hear about this trope where people are on their deathbed and they say, you know,

a person on their deathbed never wishes they spent more time at the office. The one thing we always hear is they wish they spent more time with their family and their friends and their loved ones. There's a story I was reading on Reddit a long time ago. It's about a guy who said that his, I think it was his grandmother showing him photos of him and his, you know, of his uncles and his aunts or whatever at the Grand Canyon or something. And it was just a picture of the Grand Canyon. That was it. And the grandma looked at it and she was like, this is when, you know, I was with your aunt

and uncle at the Grand Canyon. And then she paused and said, why did I take a picture of the Grand Canyon? I don't care about the Grand Canyon. I care about your uncle and your aunt or whatever. And then he was like, the guy wrote the story. He was saying that was like a profound moment for me where from now on, whenever I do anything, the photos are always of the people I'm with, not the things we've done or the places we've been to. That's peripheral. That's the outside. The memories we have are the people we love and care about. So I'll tell you what really freaks me out, what I'm worried about when we constantly tell women that they should be career women, that there's a feeling

some women have of social stigma. I'm not saying all women. I'm not saying it's something that every woman experiences. But I've seen the conversations from women who are concerned that if they want to be just a homemaker, they'll be in some ways socially inconvenienced or face a detriment. Like they could get divorced and then how do they take care of themselves? They won't have respect from their peers. The issue I see is that men don't have the same biological limitation in having kids. You could be a 50-year-old man and have kids. But women do have that limitation.

There are ways to mitigate that with, like, freezing eggs and things like that. But that is something men don't experience. So I look at these stories, and I'm wondering if, like, the reason why, perhaps, I don't know, I don't think it's true. I'm just, it's something to consider if people want to make sure they're happy. If maybe the reason why many women aren't in the culinary arts is because they're being driven towards certain professions, men won't be negatively impacted. They can trounce about, waste time, travel Europe, and just do whatever they want because they can choose to have a family at any point.

And there are very different realities for women. Call it the patriarchy. Call it whatever you want. But there are certain privileges to being a man in terms of how much time you have to figure things out. One of, you know, I, I have so much compassion because I feel like women have a lot of big decisions to make about how they want their lives to be. And they have a limited window in which to make those decisions. And they also need to make those decisions at a time where they don't really have the wisdom.

You know what I mean? None of us have the wisdom when we're 22. Or the wealth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd be a 50-year-old guy and have a bunch of money in savings, but now I can afford a kid. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking regarding restaurant work and men and women,

that in my experience, they would stuff men in the kitchen and women on the front in the counter because women were beautiful and made people want to buy more and men were could handle the heat and the grease and the steam and it's physically toxic basically so it might be a kind of job that men's bodies are just because like it's like working in the iron mine like you put the men in the iron mine well that's the patriarchy but it's also biological in a way i don't know too much i'm sorry i'm sorry are you implying that there's there are differences between men and women brett

weinstein yes yes genetically yes let's get brett in trouble whenever we have a sorry brett i love you well he's a smart fella so uh but i do i would defer to him because it's like you know if the experts are saying things but no no, I think you're right. It is biological. Why is it that the service industry is, you know, tends to be female? You go to a restaurant, the serving staff, it's not always, it's not absolute. There's a ton of guys who are waiters. But you'll tend to see women taking service jobs because men will tip more probably, or

at least is the assumption they do. So again, at my job, I see this play out every single night. You have these men that show up of any age, really, a lot of them older, and they're throwing all this money around. And, you know, and I don't judge because I see how the game is played. We have all of these, these young servers. They're early to mid-20s, and they're beautiful. And they each have their guys come in, and they have these men wrapped around their fingers. Each of these men come in saying, like, yeah, I'm here to see Tatiana or whatever. And they think that they are special to her for some reason.

Now, these guys, they're kind of scumbags. So they're going off and they're doing whatever they want with other women too. But just what you were talking about, they're making so much money and using whatever their wiles are. And also, a lot of these guys come in. They show up. Now, I don't know if they're paying for this company or if they're actually winning this company. But these guys with money show up with women that are half their age. And it's the kind of thing that you read about and you're like, that doesn't really happen that often.

But then you see it unfold and it's kind of weird, but it's like, I guess I kind of get it. That's just sort of how the game is played. But it's not something that people like to talk about because it's not politically correct. I'm like, well, there's nothing about the interaction between the sexes that is politically correct yeah i i can't remember i was watching but it was like some movie where there's an old guy who hired a lady of the night as it were and he didn't want to hook up with her he just like hung out with her and talked about his day in his life and it was basically like the plot line was my autobiography he was like 60 years old he didn't have any friends and he liked you know he

felt a he got good feelings being the being in the company of a young woman who he could talk about himself and have someone listen to him and i'm like for these guys you call them scumbags probably but i don't really see anything all that nefarious or wrong when they show up to this club wanting the attention of these young women and tipping them and giving them money or whatever you can argue it's transactional or whatever but they're getting what they want out of it they're getting emotionally satisfied yeah they're not doing anything illegal the women are getting uh resources for providing that level of like emotional comfort to these guys i mean so i'm like hey man and these girls i mean look we have to walk them to their cars at night because like

i said you know not not the best kind of people that show up to these places sometimes. But they're driving nice cars. They live in nice apartments. I'm like, look, do what you can while you got it. Make your money. I hope you're studying something else. But again, that's how the game is played. And people want to shy away from that.

See, this is where the conversation ignites a whole bunch of the like the the gender ideologues they are really angry because like we were talking about you know women can only have kids for a certain amount of time they could freeze their eggs but there still are even with freezing eggs there still still are implications for having kids at an older age and so what happens is we end up for a variety of reasons the institution of marriage and you know i hear a lot from conservatives they say that women should uh be in the kitchen get married young you know like i hear a lot from conservatives they say women should get married young and the reason conservatives say this is that as women age they become less valuable i suppose so. So that's the idea.

It's a tough word to use, but yeah. Well, that's like, look, you look at OkCupid. Well, if you're talking about the sexual marketplace. Right, right, right. The biology of fruition. I'm trying to be very, very precise with my language here. Yeah, I think we all are at this point. We've talked about it with Jack. OkCupid put out a data set showing that men just message 22-year-olds.

You can think it's bad. You can think it's bad. You can think it's wrong. I personally don't agree. I don't have that preference for being a 50-year-old man. I would not want to be in a relationship with someone that young. I just would prefer someone closer to my age. But that's what the data shows. And you can't make all men change, like the Ryan Long sketch.

Have you considered writing an article about what men can do better? It's not going to do anything for you, you know what I mean? So this is why I think a lot of people would argue that marriage came about this way because it provided security for the woman. Right. So they have access to that man who will provide for them. And it's assuming, you know, the woman wants these things.

They're, by all means, women can do whatever they want. I just think that's one of the reasons it luckily came about. Well, it's funny because then, you know, I encounter women oftentimes. And, you know, and again, I mean, it's a byproduct of just being a curious person. And when you talk to people and, you know, just non-judgmentally and you ask them questions, you know, and just over the years, I've heard a lot of women say like, you know what? I'm ready to just not go to work anymore and just be kept and not have to worry about paying bills. They would never say that out in public, you know, because they would get shrieked at by their friends. But, you know, I do think that maybe more women than not kind of feel that way. There's actually, I have to read this paper, but it's called The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.

Whereas as their, I guess you could say their rights and freedoms have expanded over the past few decades, since the 1970s, they've been self-reporting ever-increasing levels of unhappiness. I think I read somewhere else that about a quarter of women are on some kind of either antidepressant or psych medication or something like that. And, you know, and again, I talk to people and, you know, there's all these stresses and all these things. And they're inundated with this news about how everything's wrong and everything's oppressed and everything. So, you know i just i don't think it's uh you mentioned like freedoms you know that women have attained and then we see this inverse i don't think that's the correlation

i do think you can say women's rights have expanded women's access expanded but i think social pressures have come along with it right and responsibilities on top of that you know so you know the way i see it is the higher levels of unhappiness and you know, you could probably pull up the scientific studies and figure out what the cause of that is. I think freedom contributes to happiness. I think rights contribute to happiness. But then I think social stress and anxiety contribute more so to unhappiness. So I don't know if it's, I wonder if you could look at social pressures and social media and find that it affects men and women fairly equally in different ways. Like you look at young women in Instagram and you have these Instagram models that are all

touched up with Photoshop and everything, and it's resulting in anxiety, stress, and depression. It's social issues that are causing it. Maybe you could argue that if you took away someone's freedom and they didn't have access to these platforms, then they wouldn't be unhappy with them. But I actually, I don't think that makes sense. I think it's just like, you know, burning down the house because you had, you know, a plumbing problem in the kitchen. You know what I mean? I think by all means, keep the house, fix the plumbing, find out what the problem is. I think the problem is with unhappiness in general, be it males or females, is social media. It's creating this pressure to conform to certain things, to say certain things. And then it results in, like we

mentioned before, with people like Keith Olbermann saying insane things about taking vaccines away from people in Texas because you don't like their opinions. It results in people advocating for beating others and committing acts of violence because they're increasingly more and more desperate to fit in we talk a lot about how young women are influenced by instagram there there was like apparently cosmetic surgery based on snapchat filters or something like this because they want to clean their yeah yeah yeah they want god yeah really creepy stuff young women who will will post a photo on instagram and then not get enough likes and get really depressed and start freaking out. It's really negatively impacting these kids. But then how is it affecting men? Because I'm sure it absolutely does. Well, as you were speaking, I was thinking,

you know, and I relate this to myself, especially as a former actor. I don't know anymore. But, you know, like I follow The Rock, for instance. And I mean, I love the guy. I'm a huge pro wrestling fan, or at least I was back when it was good. And I think in terms of men, and again, this might lead into sexual dynamics feeling beautiful enough in comparison to other women, what about these other accounts where you see these men who are – I'm starting a business and I have this amount of money. Flashing wads of cash. Exactly. I got this car. I got this house.

I got this and that. So I think a lot of guys are looking at that and they're being like, well, that's not me. I mean I guess I'm just a big – I'm just a freaking loser, man. I don't know. i don't got nothing and then you know and then i got all these women are commenting on on on these posts and so maybe you know that's part of it maybe that's contributing to uh to male um unhappiness is the success uh status that the status comparison is what i'm getting guys not having not having kids guys not having relationships staying home and playing video games all day you know not not advancing i think i i look i don't want to just

kind of shift this and dump it all into social media but i really do think social media is a huge issue is affecting both men and women it's really the education around it too like you said it's not the freedom that's destroying them it's their misuse of it because like you have the freedom to light your body on fire but you know not to and if you knew that the it wasn't the filters that made you beautiful that would help some people you know look you got a freedom not to eat a whole ice cream cake from baskin robbins but some people will do it you know what i mean and i was also thinking like when i would post uh a video on something of me being like oh i feel like crap you two tweets two retweets two

likes and then less people would want to follow me i post a picture of me on a boat with a bunch of beautiful women everybody wants to be my friend i get take a look at this what you were saying about these guys casey neistat you familiar with casey uh yeah he's like one of the he's like the godfather of vlogging on youtube look at his look at his biggest videos with you know 50 million views what is it i'm in a luxury first class $20,000 airplane ticket, mini hotel in a plane. A lot of his biggest stuff was flaunting extreme wealth and status. And I'm not saying it disparaged him in any way. I'm not saying he did it on purpose.

I'm saying he did a video vlog where he was flying on an Emirates flight. It's like a $20,000 ticket. And they give you a roomirates flight it's like a twenty thousand dollar ticket and they give you a room and apparently there's like a shower in it or something like it's really crazy wow i don't know if that was his video but his video was like he has this little little room he's in and it gets like 50 million views because people want to see that status it's like it's why we had shows like lifestyle the rich and famous and and cribs so very much so, as we've entered the space where you now control your own media outlet, everybody's a public figure. For some reason, and by all means, the feminists can tell me why this is happening. Women have started to focus specifically around beautification,

getting likes for their appearance and their bodies. Maybe it's a bad thing and they shouldn't do it. By all means, feminists can tell me, you know, comment below and say they shouldn't. I'm not asserting my opinion. I'm just saying it's happening. Well, there's also, you know Maybe it's a bad thing and they shouldn't do it. By all means, feminists can tell me, you know, comment below and say they shouldn't. I'm not asserting my opinion. I'm just saying it's happening. Well, there's also, you know, it's the question of power. And, you know, and again, I go back to, you know, my job. And it's kind of funny. There's a comedian named Patrice O'Neill, who unfortunately passed away many years ago from complications of diabetes. But, you know, he talks about how he said, he said, I wish I could just walk around for one day as a beautiful woman, because he talks about how, you know, they they could be the the plainest person just to have nothing going on for them. But if they look good, they can walk they can walk around as if they're celebrities. And so I and so I look at and so again, I'm at this I'm at this job and I see it every day.

There is so much. And and it's strange. I mean, the same thing. I try to watch my words because I know that I will also get heat from gender activists and feminists. But to deny the power, the raw put it into words or articulate it, but it definitely has an effect. You can be, you know, I mean, I don't consider myself somebody who, I guess by the nature of my profession, I'm just, I'm used to being around beautiful women. So it's demystified for me. And in a way it's maybe even more choosy as far as who I choose to date, because I'm like, okay, well, I see all of that. But, you know, what's inside? What's going on up here?

What's going on in here? But I just – even I sometimes it's like, so, hey, hi. Too powerful. It's just – Feminine wiles. You know? And honestly, it doesn't even have to be – she doesn't even have to be super duper attractive. She could just have a certain way about her. That's what we kind of say, you know?

And it can completely disarm you and you just you don't you don't know what i mean anthony and cleopatra um uh uh the shakespeare play that's that's sort of what it's about you see this powerful man this general this warrior and cleopatra is at home and she has him wrapped around her finger it's amazing do you have any like male heroes or people you look up to like you're a big fan of um i have i have i have a few do you ever meet them well a lot of them are dead but but one right right now that um that i like a lot is actually malcolm x and which is which i think might surprise a lot of people given my viewpoints i mean i'm sure people who follow him would call me and uncle tom and all sorts of things. But the thing about it, in his autobiography, in the epilogue or the afterword to it,

the actor, Ossie Davis, who's no longer with us, unfortunately, he made the point that Malcolm taught us how to be a man when we were not allowed to be men. And there's this clip of this press conference that he gave after his journey to Mecca. And he, he was asked about bringing the case of racial discrimination and oppression of black Americans to the United Nations. And he said, Malcolm said, I'm going to paraphrase, but he said, you know, I would not be a man if I did not, you know, pursue this action. And he repeated, I just, if I didn't bring this case against the up to the UN, I would not be a man if I did not pursue this action. And he repeated, if I didn't bring this case up to the UN, I would not be a man. And so for me, even though the concept of maleness is consistently derided now, I think there is a true power in being able to say, this is what I'm

standing for. This is what I believe in. And I'm willing to put my life on the line to say this. And, you know, it's one of the things that inspires me to keep on running my mouth right now is like, you know, if I don't say something about this, then I would not be a man, whatever that means. Or a human. Or, well, but so well, before we go too far. Okay. Yeah. The reason I asked is, you know, you're talking about how you meet this woman and you get tongue tied. And I started thinking the reason I asked is, you know, you're talking about how you meet this woman and you get tongue-tied. And I started thinking about this a while ago. You know, when they talk about what the average male or female finds attractive, it's like guys want young, beautiful women. And there's a variety of physical features that men are attracted to.

The OKCupid data showed that it's like 22-year-old women almost exclusively. Like, no matter how old the guy gets he always goes for 22 year olds and then i thought okay well will they say like what do they say about what makes women you know attracted to a man confidence charisma and status and i'm like so is there so you mentioned that like a woman could have a woman could have nothing going on for her but just be beautiful and then guys are like fawning all over and all over yeah and i was like so then what's the male equivalent of this high societal value and its status,

notoriety and fame. And I'm like, so then I wonder if there are similarities between, you know, guys who look at women and they're like, woo. And guys who look at a celebrity or famous individual and yell at them, not sexual advances,

obviously, which definitely gives guys a bit of that privilege. Cause you know, I'm sure a lot of it's disgusting, but when you're a guy walking on the street and you have a bunch of people like hollering at you and yelling at you like, yo, yo, can I get a picture? I'm a big fan. It's not identical, but there's a similarity there in this is what society values in men. This is what society values in women. Interestingly enough, though, women will still get it worse when

they're famous and beautiful because now everybody's yelling at you because you're famous and they're yelling at you because you're famous and they're yelling at you because you're beautiful. So it's an interesting dynamic. The reason I asked about male heroes is I was wondering, do you think you would get tongue-tied if you came across a male hero of yours

who you looked up to and was inspired by? Oh, I think so. Probably. So yeah, that's just an idea I was wondering about. Actually, in the film,

Malcolm X, Denzel Washington, he was so unbelievable in this role. To this day, i see a picture of the real malcolm i still i see both men and there's a scene where in the film where malcolm meets um elijah muhammad and denzel plays it so beautifully he he he has his he has his head down and you see tears start streaming down his face this is a man who spent his time in prison educating himself learning how to speak this dude was a former pimp you know he goes into detail in his autobiography yeah about how he learned that the street slang you know when we you know and so he so he he knows

how to talk to people and yet in this at least as depicted in this movie he meets you know his his idol and he can't say anything. He just starts crying. It's such a powerful, beautiful moment. And, you know, and I will say I did get to meet Harry Belafonte. And that is somebody that I said, you know, I wonder if what I would say to him if I ever met him. And I did a show off Broadway where he played the, it was a play called Carmen Jones. And he did the movie adaptation of it. And he played a character named Joe, which is what I played off Broadway. And one night he came to the show. And I've been saying to myself, well,

what would I say to him if he showed up? And I'm somebody who is extraordinarily grateful to the people that came before me, which is another reason why I step off. I step away from this woke stuff because I feel like they keep erasing the heroes of the past. But, you know, I got out of the theater, walked around the corner, and there he is, this 91-year-old man in this wheelchair. Eyes still bright, these bright blue eyes, these great cheekbones. And at a certain point, you know, I just said, thank you. Thank you for everything that you have done. You're, you're a warrior and you're a trailblazer. And, you know, I just, I just want to shake your hand. And, you know, I was like, can I get a hug?

And he just, he got up, his old 91 year old rickety self made me get emotional thinking about it. And, you know, there's video of it and we just, and we hugged each other, you know? And so that, so that's one instance where, you know, I said, I just was like, I met a trailblazer and the hero. I was like, you know, thank you. So maybe it's a, say what? Not tongue-tied. Not tongue-tied. But I guess what I'm getting at is that maybe it depends on who the guy is and what situation that he's in in his life.

Like I see other guys at the gym or whatever, and, you know, they look good. They're ripped or whatever. And I'm like, wow, good for that guy. That guy looks amazing. Or I'll see somebody who's doing their thing, they're running a business, they make money, I'm like, wow, good for that guy. I could be there somewhere. But at the same time, the flip side might be,

man, we're keeping the family friendly, so I can't say what I want to say, but man, look at this dude, flashing all this, he's got these big muscles. Whatever. We call them haters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a lot of them on Twitter.

Oh, I bet you do, my friend. You know, I remember I was working in California once when I was doing fundraising, and I saw a dude pull up in a very expensive car, you know, like convertible. And I'm just thinking, like, he looked really young, like early 20s. And I'm like, what is he doing? Like, what is he doing? And I was like, hey, man. And he's like, yo, what up? I'm like, like he looked really young like early 20s and I'm like what is he doing like what is he doing and I was like hey man he's like yo what up I'm like what are you doing like you're making all this money you clearly look like you're doing well here's a real estate and so it's like I saw that and I went to a guy and I was like yo yo I want to talk to you real quick because I saw his power and his status you know what I mean and I was like give me some

advice like he was a little bit older than me and i was like what is this how do you afford this what do you do for a living what's the what's the key how did you get started tell me though tell me those secrets you know what i mean that's like that's the plot of uh of the pursuit of happiness remember that uh that will smith movie where he's making a true story wasn't it yeah yeah but he sees a guy in a driving a nice car and he's like you know what do you do well i'm a stockbroker he's like well i want to learn how to do that how do i learn how to do that you know so i mean that's that's the's like, you know, what do you do? Well, I'm a stockbroker. It's like, well, I want to learn how to do that. How do I learn how to do that? You know? So, I mean, that's, that's the kind of thing, you know, I, I just, I was speaking about this, this earlier, uh, to one of your colleagues, just about this, this creeping nihilism, this lack of,

this lack of aspiration, you know, there, there's no people. It's as if, uh, and especially with the response to COVID, people are just content with sitting in and just shutting themselves in all day and never striving for anything. And in wanting to strive for something, it makes you greedy. It makes you selfish. You're not, you're only thinking of yourself, but you know how, if you're constantly denigrating people who want to build something or to achieve something, yeah, they might maybe they are selfish. But if that drives them to create, you know, if that drives an Elon Musk to, you know, to launch rockets into space, you know what I mean? Then what's what's what's the deal? What's the problem with that?

Why can't we aspire to be like these people instead of tearing them down? It seems like there's a huge huge cultural movement where it's like any striving for any kind of achievement or whatever is is is looked down upon crabs in a barrel man crabs and like yeah like resentment like if you're not back down if someone's not striving and then they see someone that is there might be this resentment maybe is the reason do you know the phrase crabs in a barrel crabs in a bucket what is they they snap at each other because they all want out at the same time so when one is climbing out the other one grabs trying to pull itself up if they only knew if they worked together they could all get out the

bottom guy would climb up their backs first pull them all at a time yep except the guy at the top would have to hang there and carry the weight of all the other crabs some we need one of those crabs to like introduce crab communism so they understand the power of the collective. You know what you can do? This collective, yes. Get a bunch of crabs to cling onto the barrel in a circle and then a bunch of crabs so you have a funnel of crabs. And that way it distributes the weight. Let's work together. We've solved that.

Decentralize the weight distribution. It's the age-old mathematical problem. We've now solved it. The crab's in a barrel mathematical equation. It's simple. There it is. And all the crabs that disagree, kill them. Then we eat them.

There we go. Some butter sauce. Perfect. Everyone wins in this scenario. All right. Let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we got exclusive members-only segments that will be coming up, of course.

And smash that Like button. Subscribe to the notification bell. It all really, really helps. So seriously, smash that Like button. Normally, the notification bell. It all really, really helps. So seriously, smash that like button. Normally, I like to start from the beginning. But I'm looking down at this one super chat that's more recent. I have to read it. Ashley Underwood says, Clifton, I'm going to listen to whatever you got to say just to hear you.

That voice, wow. It's got the same something as James Earl Jones. It's a good one. Congratulations, sir. Thank you. Your training has paid a good one. Congratulations, sir. Thank you. Your training has paid off. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah.

Is it, you know, you did Broadway acting. You've done, like, vocal. You know what? It's actually crazy. When people hear me speak, and I'm that rare breed of individual. I'm the straight guy who does musical theater. And so when they hear me speak, they're like, oh, clearly you're going on the bass or the baritone line. But I have a range where I can sing not crazy high, but much higher than you might think. So I just have

a really weird voice. But I will say that the more comfortable that I get in myself, and that sounds kind of weird, but the more comfortable that I am in myself. That sounds kind of weird. But the more comfortable that I am with myself and the more that I mature, the more that I relax into myself. I mean, I actually have to monitor myself and how I speak because I tend to speak very, very, very quickly. But it's actually sort of an internal kind of a thing, Ashley, where I... Oh, just you wait, there's more. That's a lot more. But just, you know, it's owning more of my male. That's really how I feel. Masculinity.

That's how I feel about it. And for the longest time, you know, I was so focused on appeasing other people and pleasing other people. And part of that was speaking in a tone of voice where, you know, I'm trying to be friendly and, you know, and it goes up here. But that's not where my natural voice is. When I'm more relaxed, this is where I tend to live. I just get really excited really, really easily. And part of it is training. Everyone can benefit, I think, from learning breath techniques and learning where to speak from and learning where their resonators all are.

And it actually, if I can kind of go off for like a couple of minutes, as an actor, it's kind of fun because then you learn where your resonators all are. And it actually, if I can kind of go off for a couple of minutes, as an actor, it's kind of fun because then you learn where your different resonators are, where you can place things. So if I'm going down here and playing someone who is in Africa, for instance, I can make Zamunda. Because that movie just came out. I know. I'm not hearing great things about it. Or I can come up here and play a completely different character and resonate more of here. Or, man, I can come back here and be just real chill, bro.

You know what I'm saying? You did a Jordan Peterson earlier, though. I was like, oh, wow. It's seriously not good. It's not good. That's great. He's radical Marxist. Now I'm on the spot.

It's not quite as good as it was. Yeah, no, it was really good before the show because you were just kind of winging it as a joke. Yeah, I know. I was like, whoa, that one hit the, you know. Yeah, well, I'll work on that. What was your history like from young adulthood to professional career? How did you traverse that? My life makes no sense, my friend. My mom was in the army. I'm a military brat. So maybe, you know, every three to four years, my life was uprooted. I was born in Heidelberg, Germany.

Maybe that's why today, you know, I just, I guess I like people. I'm not, you know, I had friends who were Turkish and Greek and Dutch and all kinds of things. And, but there was nobody in my family who had any sort of artistic or at least expressed artistic inclinations. And, you know, I was going to be an illustrator. That was my thing. I dabbled in music and like in poetry and prose and stuff like that. And then at a certain point, you know, I basically left. I was in this French class for three years. I dropped, I didn't drop out, but I left to chase a girl basically into a drama class. I just found I was good at it and I got a lot of encouragement. And in-state tuition was way, way cheaper to go to theater school and get a useless bachelor's degree in theater. And I just sort of started going from there. You know, I never would have, I never really would have chosen to be an actor. You know, it's going to sound a little pretentious and cliche, but it kind of chose me. I just have sort of rolled with it. It took me a long time to be comfortable actor, you know, it's going to sound a little pretentious and cliche, but it kind of chose me. I just have sort of rolled with it.

It took me a long time to be comfortable with it. And, you know, so I don't know the answer to that. I'm just kind of a weirdo who, you know, liked art and games and wrestling and video games and comics. And then now I'm... Chased a girl into theater school, man. Chased a girl into what I did, too. Let me read some more of these Super Chats for you.

Oh, Lord, where are we going? So I jumped to the beginning. I'm thinking this one Super Chat I'm reading is like just a funny one in the middle. So I go to the beginning of the super chats. And Errant Thought says, good Lord, you should do voiceover work. Pure honey. M. Sheba says, I'm not gay, but that voice is sexy. You might be a little gay.

All right. All right. all right all right uh stray alien says the culture is better at hungry jacks referencing burger king all right let's see petty says i've heard you and others refer to the third degree charges manslaughter but the minnesota definition is different and requires malice and disregard for life dude has no chance at a fair trial anywhere though well they're trying to so it's second degree murder and manslaughter i believe in the second anywhere, though. Well, they're trying to. So it's second degree murder and manslaughter. I believe in second degree for Chauvin.

And they're trying to add third degree murder. This is what I'm wondering. How is he going to get a fair trial? How can there be a jury that hasn't heard of this, isn't predisposed? That's a good question. I have no idea. I have no idea. Butters Oregano says love when guests have a great voice and excellent enunciation.

Side note, GME to the moon. GameStop hit like 200 bucks. Oh, wow. Are you serious? Geez, man. People are becoming millionaires overnight from memes on the stock. I kind of love it. Especially considering, I mean, it's GameStop, which people don't really like GameStop all that much.

But so there is a part of me that's glad that it's achieved some kind of relevance again. There you go. Yeah. Shooter CSW says, look into the history of International Women's Day that it's achieved some kind of relevance again there you go yeah shooter csw says look into the history of international women's day it's literally a communist holiday that's true i did not hear that here's another one just jenny says my god his voice is beautiful how much money did we make simply because of your voice all of these people super chatting just give me a cut man that's all i asked for. 10%. 10%. Tyrannus Cygnus says, hello all. Clifton, what roles did you play while doing Shakespeare? My favorite was Macduff, who's the hero of the play Macbeth. He's the one that kills

the titular character. Macduff is interesting because when you're interpreting these roles, you want to look at why is this character in the play? What is his function in this story? And how is he different from Macbeth Macbeth turns into this uh evil tyrant and dictator sort of like Andrew Cuomo and um Macduff on the other hand you see these scenes there's only one scene unfortunately with with his wife and and his kid and he has you know and whereas Macbeth is talking you know about power and and and darkness and everything Macduff has all this text where he's talking about he's referencing God and he loves his family. And one of the central scenes in the play is where he learns Macbeth has had his wife and children killed.

And it's such a brilliant scene that's often cut because it's usually played pretty badly. But Macduff is a great one. Caliban is another one from The Tempest, one of Shakespeare's later plays. And that was interesting. I did that in Washington, D.C. And Caliban is explicitly referred to as a slave. He is a slave. So right away when I was cast, I knew like, oh, man, we're gonna have to deal with a bunch of backlash. And, you know, but even though there's a lot of language in the play where he's like, you know, he's a moon calf, he's a monster, this and that. I said, you know, I'm going to treat him as a human being, because if I treat him as some kind's like, you know, he's a moon calf, he's a monster, this and that. I said, you know, I'm going to treat him as a human being because if I treat him as some kind

of alien, you know, and you'll see productions of The Tempest where some terrible director is like, we're going to make Caliban an alien and put spikes on him and da-da-da-da-da-da, but it's alienating for the audience and they can't really visit, you know, the humanity of this character who I felt like this is a human being who's being treated this way. And what the audience receives is, well, this poor put-upon slave, and they begin to empathize with him. So I don't want to go on and on about it, but that's a great one. Did you hear that apparently there's going to be a reboot of Superman?

And I don't know exactly what it is, but they were talking about casting a black man as Superman. And I don't know if I – is, but they were talking about casting a black man as Superman. And I don't know if I – like I've heard a lot of people say – there's a couple arguments. One of the arguments I've actually agreed with is that I think it's really dumb that they do hand-me-down characters. Exactly. It's hand-me-down franchises. You can't create anything original. We're going to give you this thing.

Now, I have to be careful and measure what I say. J.J. Abrams is producing it. And, you know, people knock J.J., but I will say he co-produced the Broadway show that I did. I found him to be very smart and a very hard worker. And when I hurt my back, he actually sent me some cookies with a nice note on the stationery. He's like, yeah, sorry about your back. And a cool guy. But, I mean, I agree.

You know, it's one thing if you're doing, you're doing an alternate Earths kind of a thing. And maybe there is a story that could be told about someone coming from an alien planet who is a minority and has to find some way to connect with this race of people around him. That could be interesting in terms of a Superman story. But if it's just it's going to be superman right you know then that's that's a different that's a different sort of thing i was always i learned anyone can play any role boy can play a girl girl can play a boy colors doesn't matter as long as it's good like if they make the stupid story about like oh i'm suffering because of the color of my skin that's not superman man superman's a hero well here's the thing so there's there's a practice called

colorblind or non-traditional casting it's very prevalent in the theater and also in the opera. And there's often this argument of saying, well, why can't it work in reverse? There's a playwright named Neil LaButte who wrote an article, an op-ed in the LA Times back in 2007, where he said, well, why couldn't Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie do A Raisin in the Sun? And the reason for that is, and why it often doesn't work in reverse, is that there are so many works by black writers wherein being black is a central part of the given circumstances of the play. So with A Raisin in the Sun, for instance, there's a scene where this white individual comes into this, and for people who don't know the story, it's basically

about a black family in Chicago in the 1950s who comes into money and they want to move to a nice neighborhood that's all white. And so this representative of the neighborhood they want to move into comes in and offers to pay them money not to move. It's racism. Blockbusting or redlining? No, I forget the specific. It's been a long time since i've read it but it's basically like you know we want you know everything to be friendly and people to be happy where they are and we just and so and and a good director will cast an actor a white actor who's very friendly and very you know inviting to to do that but the point is the play doesn't work right if you have a white

if you have white people playing the younger family. It's the name of Youngers. But I also think, you know, it is weird, like, Superman is an alien, but he looks like just, like, a regular English-speaking white dude. You know what I mean? And so, even with Starfire, who's another DC character,

she's orange, at least. Yeah. And so, I gotta be honest, the idea of taking an existing character who is already defined and then just kind of handing handing it down i think is disrespectful and i think it's a cop-out instead of writing new yeah right right make new original heroes with awesome stories you could

play superman that'd be awesome but i'd rather play captain america person but so so look i like miles morales as spider-man it's an alternate earth version because there's there is the spider verse and i think you know into the spider verse was an awesome movie i got no problem with that if they just rebooted spider-man and we're like you know we're just gonna now celebrate the diversity by casting this character i'm like for 50 years or however long we've had these heroes longer like 70 years or whatever when superman get written there has been he's he's been a representation for a certain for for you's he's been a representation for a certain for for you know he's been a representation of a certain individual i don't think you're

actually doing anything for diversity or social justice by now saying okay now that we're done with it after seven decades we're gonna you know cast it in a minority position or something we need a new hero universe like desperately no just make just write stuff it's like yeah where where's the originality just make a new story it's not even that hard well also my fear about that is um i i excuse me there is a in in in the entertainment industry there is a a constant denigration of the audience they feel like they're smarter than the audience and you know but even if the audience you know whoever comes to see your show even if they can't articulate certain things that they don't like, they can feel it. And my fear is that if we keep doing things like this and then when people push back against it, they say like Thor is a great example.

Thor is a character that I never thought that I would enjoy that much. But when I read the comments, I was like, you was like you know he's he's a wonderful character and um but when they cast but when they said we're gonna make uh thor a woman and they said you know well thor is just a title no it's not right you know he's the son of odin and he's the king of asgard you know and if if you keep just and and but if you no matter how there was a great post on reddit that said it you know, no matter how, there was a great post on Reddit that said, you know, no matter how much you break it down, like, no, Thor is not a title. Thor is this person. And, you know, but you, they'll still call you a misogynist or whatever. And so if you say, like, yeah, I'm not really feeling a black Superman, they're going to call you a racist.

And so people, I think, I'm afraid that when someone like me comes along, they're going to say, I'm not going to see that. It's just some black guy. You know, I'm just, I'm tired of seeing all these black people., they're going to say, I'm not going to see that. It's just some black guy. I'm tired of seeing all these black people. What are they there for? This is interesting. You mentioned that one play about the black couple and the white guy. What was it called?

Raising in the Sun. Raising in the Sun. Right, right. You said the play doesn't work because it's literally about a black family and this thing was happening. And I feel there's a similar argument to Thor, right? Thor is literally the son of Odin. He in what is he he's a norse nordic god norse god so it's like to change those character attributes about him and then take his name also creates a really weird kind of story break in that it's literally about this god who is son of odin based on this certain mythology some characters it probably doesn't matter when you do colorblind

casting it's you suspend your disbelief so a woman will be playing the male role but it will be a man based on this certain mythology. Some characters, it probably doesn't matter. When you do colorblind casting, you suspend your disbelief so a woman will be playing the male role, but it will be a man character in the play just played by a woman. The audience suspends their disbelief, accepts that it's a man, doesn't matter who's playing the role. But when it comes to skin color,

that could be viscerally confusing. And when they change it to a Thor as a woman now and not a woman playing a male role, that can be confusing. Right, if the story is changed. No, I think what you were saying is if the element of the story is the character is of this race or this background, changing that just changes the story. It would be really weird if Brad and Angelina were being racially discriminated against as a wealthy white Hollywood couple. You know what i mean like you know and actually my alma mater my grad school they did a production that caused a lot of controversy where you had you know these white student actors who are playing these black

characters and it's just like wow it just it doesn't work the play does not make any sense at all but as a statement the play being the art itself as opposed to the actual performance i think is an interesting point to be made about why it doesn't work. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess, yeah. Like, because then you show people and be like, it's kind of weird, right? But, you know, but, you know,

well, that's a whole other discussion about like, how is it benefit? I mean, I guess it could benefit if you're a student actor and you are exploring, you know, maybe cultures unfamiliar to yourself, then there's merit in that. Just, but on a professional level,

no one's going to go see that show that show all right let's read some more super chats maddie says my dad is algerian my cousins going to school here were confused by forms because they weren't black but didn't view themselves as white maybe we should start trolling and put african-american because technically we are from africa do you hear about the kid there was a scholarship for African-Americans. And a white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid showed up. And when they were like, what are you doing here? He says, it's for African-Americans, right?

And they're like, yes. And he was like, I'm from South Africa and now I'm an American. And they were like, get out. But for somebody who's not from here, they like oh hey i'm from africa and now i'm an american you know what i mean they don't realize it was a racial thing i think he did it as a troll though to be completely honest yeah well i mean i've actually worked with with uh with like white people from from south africa and it's and it's the same that's why i don't use the term african-american it's just you know it's just it's too broad and it doesn't really

britain lord tim what are you reading right now brit Britain. Britain. I've got to read this. I don't want to interrupt you, though. There we go. No, I'm done. I'm done. Let's hear it. Matthew Hammond says, would Clifton go on Zuby's show? It would be two amazing voices that could read a phone book and be engaging. You know what, man?

That was too good. No, but I really like Zuby a lot. We follow each other on Twitter, and he just seems like a decent guy. And I see all the hate that he gets on Twitter. I'm like, dude, he's genius. There's just so many where they're like this voice. Clifton's voice. Oh, man.

Wait till the radio show comes out. I'm going to talk like this for the rest of the podcast. No, talk like this. That's what I'll do. There we go. That's really it. How about this? I'll'm talking like this. That's what I'll do. There we go. Not really. How about this? I'll just work like this and everyone can

send your super chats to TimCastIRL. That's the voice they were hoping for when they donated. That soothing, high-pitched, screeching whine.

Doesn't it make you just want to take a nap? Yeah. Curl up with your honey at home and just got me all right let's see hartford house says frederick douglas birth frederick douglas birth and death month is february black history month was that was that why they did it oh you know i'm

not sure about the origin my complaint is it's really more superficial but it's just it's just so freaking cold bro like you know just just put it in a warm month. Black people do not like cold weather. We just don't. It's the shortest, coldest month. We don't like cold weather, man. Just put it in June. Put it in June. I understand. And it is the shortest month, too. You only get 28 days. 29 every four years, so be happy with that.

So Acme Products says, the collectivization of the farms in the USSR led to rapid food shortages. Stalin decided to steal Ukrainian grain to feed the cities of Russia and starve out the Ukrainian nationalist movement. It's estimated three to five million died. I got the name of that British journalist, Gareth Jones. Is that right?

No. He was a Welsh journalist. It was a different guy. It's so disrespectful to him. Malcolm Muggeridge. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's what his name is. I think that's right. I'm familiar with this name. Andrew Turek says, hey, Tim, thanks for another great show. guy oh and i it's so it's so disrespectful to him but i put malcolm muggeridge oh yeah yeah i think that's i think that's what his name is that's right i'm familiar with this name andrew turrick

says hey tim thanks for another great show would you ever consider having colin noir on the show i think he's one of the best two-way advocates on youtube and i'd love to hear y'all talk i would love to have colin on the show and it's just it covet has made things very very difficult for a lot of people and so we probably have a list of like 50 amazing people who are like dude we'd love to come on and we can't travel a lot of them are in canada basically like every canadian guest except for those who have like somehow made it out of canada before the lockdown escaped so they're all like we're trapped here um we'd love to come on the show when they release us wow it's canada's brutal man man i can't famous quote psychia dargan says history doesn't

repeat itself but it often rhymes mark twain yeah yeah i like that we have a second someone says i said i second christina says i second the suggestion to have coleen noir on the show that would be awesome i'd love to have him jb says would you ever willing be willing to bring a nobody onto your show from middle america to get out of our perspective that's me yes just kidding what we were uh planning we talked about a lot we were like we want to do a regular joe's kind of thing where we have like regular you know union member or something who can be like i'm an union we should get our dads on and talk about firemen well so the the challenge though is um covid traveling and i think maybe like the original idea was we were going to travel around before,

like the original idea for this channel was to travel around the country and do like setting up tables in random towns and talking to regular people. So like in real life and then COVID happened and we couldn't travel. So maybe there's something still there with doing that once things get better. So we actually are building a mobile tour setup and the plan right now is very preliminary, but we're going to travel to a couple different cities spend a week in a city and then do a friday night live venue podcast that's cool where the super chats are the audience and and the super chats like we'll do both that's

the plan which means a lot of work has to be done and depending on what the lockdowns are like in various cities but i think for the most part like what we stay in like texas and florida and stuff we'd be totally fine also you know just quickly, one of the things that I love about the modern era, you know, in platforms like YouTube is that, I mean, this idea of the like the ordinary person or the common man or woman, I feel like is sort of going by the wayside, because everyone is passionate about something. And I use this example all the time. But there's a guy on YouTube who like trains dogs and minks to catch rats. And that's like his thing. And he has millions and millions of views on these videos. And I'm thinking to

myself, or you think about how some of the most astute political commentary in 2016 was coming from an ex-Satanist who's sitting in his bathrobe in his room in Vermont. And so this idea of the ordinary person now, I feel like is sort of going out of the window because there's something extraordinary, I think, in a lot of people. You know, it's just you just have to find whatever that thing is that they like. And I love that I have access to that now. I can like I can watch these people and say, oh, yeah, and learn from them and just and grow in a weird way. Deccan says, Tim, quote, people have their own worldviews based on where they live. Also, Tim, quote, conservative have their own worldviews based on where they live. Also, Tim, quote, conservative parts of the South, very racist. You don't live in the South and don't know our ways.

You out your outside perspective. Well, if I didn't say this properly, what I believe I said was I have been to conservative parts of the South that are very racist. I have. I have spent time there. I have lived there. I did not say all of the South was racist. I did not say that every conservative is racist. There are places I've been to in big cities where they believe a whole bunch of far left crazy stuff. And I think the world represents their views. And I have been to places in parts of the South that are very, very racist. And to be fair, I don't, these people don't think the cities represent their views. They just have their own worldview based on where they live.

But it doesn't mean every single southern state or whatever is racist or every person is. Mr. Kirk says, hello, big fan of original Trek. And there were many interracial kisses on the show outside Trek before the supposed first interracial kiss. E.g. kisses between white men and Asian women on adventures in Paradise and I Spy. Interesting. Did not know that. Well, but Asians, they're not considered a minority anymore, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, no, I'm double white.

All right. You're white squared. White squared. Exactly. You know what, man? Dude, I've heard some of the most insane racist stuff from these people. Dude, it's so... I was told by a guy at UW in Seattle that white supremacists love Asians and want to make Hapa children just like how Germany and Japan was outlined in World War II. And I'm just like, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard where you mashed this random idea from history and you know nothing about the war and the interactions between any of these countries.

Right. Well, you know what but i my so my ex-girlfriend was japanese american and her and i have another friend of mine who's also asian they both said about themselves that this was unprompted but they said you know i just always saw myself as white and i was like that's really that's really fascinating to me because like full japanese yeah well like i mean she was americanized but you know but uh but i was i was like wow and i i don't really have that option how does that work for you you know what i mean so i don't so maybe i don't know how much of that maybe she grew up in like a white neighborhood maybe and she just found herself as part of an american culture and associated that as

whiteness or something i don't know i mean she's a she's a california girl and i mean she she has a huge huge um family that she seems very in touch with her culture. So I don't know where that ideology came from. I didn't, you know, I actually got a lot of flack from the alt-right. They said Tim Pool has no identity and doesn't understand identitarianism because, you know, being mixed race, he can't truly understand what it means to have like a cultural history or something like that. And I'm like, I do. I have two different ones. I don't know like i just like you're like someone could be french and swedish well then you have

french history and swedish history but growing up i guess you know i grew up i grew up in an area where it was like very fairly diverse that was it you know there are people of different backgrounds so there was no identifying as white there was no like thinking you are white it was literally just like we're i don't know we didn't have an identity it's like you know one kid was italian one kid was a polish immigrant one kid was asian one kid was mexican one kid was black and we're just like we're americans i guess we're skater kids like we didn't it didn't occur to us and that really breaks my heart when i see what what the modern identitarian left does. Because I'm like, wow, I really had that like perfect mick kid,

you know, diverse childhood of all these different backgrounds and cultures and languages. And we all got along and had fun and we're just kids growing up. Nobody cared. You know, you would go over

to your buddy's house, you play Nintendo or whatever for forever. And then you get bored and you go outside and you play some more. And just nobody, nobody cared about it.

Nobody cared. Where'd you grow up? Germany, Virginiaia belgium and virginia so i spent a lot of a lot of uh formative years in virginia you know on on military bases and you just hung you know or or you know i'm in i'm in belgium you know from from ages uh from age 8 to 12 and like i said before i mean i had friends from from holland i had friends who were french who were flemish turkish gree, Greek, all kinds of stuff. And just no one ever cared about it. No one ever cared.

That's awesome. It was a lot of fun. Julie Simone. Oh, she's got some fire for you. Okay. This likely won't get read, given it was ignored during the show. But Clifton, you completely stereotyped sexual orientation in musical theater. Are black stereotypes fair game then, too?

I mean, it was a joke, obviously, what I was saying. You know what I mean? The straight man in musical theater. Are black stereotypes fair game then too? I mean, it was a joke, obviously, what I was saying, you know, I mean, the straight man in musical theater, I mean, but we are a very rare breed. And it's and I will say it's ironic, because I do run into people often who say, who say, you know, we need more masculine men in theater. And, but they're not writing roles for those kinds of people. So but you know of people. But there's not one theater person who would not laugh at what I said because they understand it. And every musical I've done, I've shared dressing rooms where I'm the only straight guy in there. And no one really cares. So think about this.

I'm also a musical theater major. Oh, yeah? Were you in Grease, the musical? I played Vince Fontaine. No, I wasn't in Grease. But Bye Bye Birdie was my theater major. Oh, yeah? Were you in Grease, the musical? I played Vince Fontaine. No, I wasn't in Grease, but Bye Bye Birdie was my first musical. Oh, great musical. I can completely empathize and sympathize with what you're talking about. Yeah, and in a weird way, it's kind of alienating because I'm like, well, I don't really feel like I belong.

But then I'm like, I can't say anything because then I feel like they're going to say back to me, well, well, well, welcome to the club, buddy. So I'm like, all right, cool. Well, think about it. This is a joke that you're saying the people you know and the communities you've been in would laugh because it's a joke that resonates with you as people who are in musical theater. As someone who actually does music. People who are outside that would get mad. Not everybody, but there are people who are outside that will be like, you can't say that. That's offensive.

And it's like, you don't understand the joke because you're not a part of the community where everyone would find it funny. I don't know. It was like the least offensive community I'd ever been in the theater. I don't know about you. What do you mean? When I was in it, it was people were so accepting of who we were. It wasn't really about gender or sex or anything.

It's such a weird, weird thing because it's an industry where, you know, within two weeks of meeting complete strangers, you're like making out with them. Yeah, getting undressed backstage with them. Yeah, you're doing all kinds of things where you're breaking down these mirrors. And even as a young kid,

I didn't quite know what I wanted to do, but I also knew that I wouldn't belong in an office anywhere. And, you know, and I'm just, I'm kind of a weirdo and I'm just like, here's, here's a profession with a bunch of other, other weirdos and we can all just be weird together and enjoy ourselves. Highly recommend if you're going to go to college to go to college for an art degree, at least for me, I I'm still in debt from it. I don't care. It was the most socializing, um, incredible experience. I met so many cool people.

Like I'm, I never, you don't need the degree, but it's the experience for me. Did you, you went to college for it too, right? And then I went to grad school as well.

For theater. Yeah. Well, for, for acting. Yes. I want to read it. Uh, or MFA and MFA.

It's, it's in my Twitter bio. I list my credentials because everyone's doing that now. All right. We got it. We got a couple more. This is interesting. D Montoya says, Calvin Ellis was an alternate universe Superman who was black and Ra Razafone

says Val Zod is the name of the black Superman from Earth 2. The character was great, not because he was black, but because Val Zod was well written. Well, there you go. And then Greg says, how do you feel about a black female being cast as Anne Boleyn, considering it's a historical white person? It's just it's it's needlessly inflammatory. It's anti historical. Again, I mean, I haven't seen this project. I know what this person is referring to. But it's one of those things where it just I don't feel like it really accomplishes anything. I don't know what they're aiming at. I mean, it's one thing if you have a show like Hamilton, which I think a lot of conservative people don't really get.

And it's like, well, why are all these black people playing George Washington and Hamilton and Jefferson and all these people? But for me, it's a wonderful theatrical device where they're telling a story via hip-hop that's really important. And I think it's fun for most audiences to come see it because you're telling a history, although many historians have had problems with it, issues with the script. But I feel like that's such a different kind of theatrical event versus if you're trying to produce something that's got historical verisimilitude, then that's not the right way to go about it. And it just seems like it is signaling for this particular time. And what I also am upset about is that, you know,

when you have these actors who are just trying to build careers, they're just trying to do something that they love and that they enjoy, and they're thrust into these roles, they don't deserve the sort of heat that they enjoy, and they're thrust into these roles, they don't deserve the sort of heat that they get, the criticism that they get, because actors don't give themselves these jobs, generally speaking. You know, I want to clarify a lot of what we were talking about earlier, because I'm thinking a lot about this. I don't really care all that much about Superman having a black guy play Superman.

I honestly don't really care that much, about Superman being having a black guy play Superman. I honestly don't really care that much. So long as the character is written as Superman character and it follows this, you know, like storyline that, you know, stays true to the character. I don't really think it matters who the actor is. And I think the issue with hand-me-down characters is more so when, like, in the comics, they made Thor a woman. It's like, couldn't you just make, like, you know, Valkyrie or something? Like, make a new hero for women that is more representative instead of just being like, oh yeah, I don't know. Instead

of making strong original characters like the big three in the Marvel Universe, you can just have the ones we're done with. It's been a couple decades and the sales are down. Congratulations. We just, it'll, it'll, there you go. It's like, we'll just make a new cool character. But real quick, too. There already are a ton of really amazing female characters across these superhero universes that already exist and superheroes who are black or Asian.

And I just like I'll put it this way. I want to separate these ideas when it comes to acting. I honestly don't care if Anne Boleyn is being played by a black woman. I really, really don't. It's a it's a fictionalized theatrical version of it. And I honestly just don't care. She's got to be good. Make the best actor.

Do the best actor. That's the point. But if they're striving for historical accuracy, then it does not work. If they're trying to do something. Make you cry. Well, I don't know about that just if if they're if what they're setting out to do is is has nothing to do with historical accuracy then that's a different thing and then maybe i can entertain that but part of the problem i hear is like you know going off of what you're

saying i feel like that would be fine if we were not in the times that we're living in right now and we didn't have generations of this culturally ingrained idea of racism. And I feel like there's no way to do it now to race swap a character like that without it seeming as though you're trying to make some kind of a statement. And I think when people see that, they're going to be turned off by that kind of a thing.

You know, we have a lot of people pointing... I'm going to read this super chat because a lot of people are saying the same thing. Ryan Pennington says, First super chat, thank you for everything. The problem with this new Superman is that it's being written by Ta-Nehisi Coates. Yes. So I'm not super familiar with the work of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Ta-Nehisi Coates is what many on the, I guess in the anti-woke and the right-leaning crowd would call a race hustler. His views are very, and again, I used to share these kinds of views. His views are very typical of the left regarding race, about America being oppressive, America being very racist. And he actually wrote a run on Captain America and Black Panther. I don't know how the sales are doing on those. But for me, when it was announced that he was writing Captain America, I'm saying, well, how can you have this person who seems to hate everything, or at least misunderstand everything America stands for, writing Steve Rogers? It doesn't work. So when you have, uh, so when you have Coates writing a character that stands for truth, justice, and the American way, um, you know, maybe truth,

maybe justice, he might have views on that, but the American way I'd like, I don't, I don't know if, if I think the issue is people might feel like he doesn't quite have the, the, I, the idealism or the sort of patriotic attitude that will, – that would make a Superman story more authentic. That said, I'm not super familiar with the Superman ethos and the character. People might have other views on that. But for me and I think for a lot of people, it's the idea of like this seems like someone whose ideology doesn't really match with with the character he's been given to to right one of one of the movies i bring up periodically is a spiral i think it was called and uh i don't know if you heard me talk about or if you've seen the movie

it's a horror movie from shutter which is like a subscription horror movie service and the issue i had with it is you know the movie starts and it is an interracial gay couple who has a daughter. And I'm like that. It's like I'm unfazed by this. I'm like, OK, cool. Like, let's let's watch. I'm interested. I see a loving family with a kid and I think that's fine.

You know, it doesn't really like it doesn't stand out all that much. The problem arises when the story's plot is literally driven by the fact that they're an interracial gay couple instead of just having a horror story where a demon comes to possess the daughter and the family's fighting to protect her and i can you know just generally relate to that it becomes very specifically about a bunch of immortal white people who want to kill marginalized people and i'm like now you're beating me over the head with it and i'm like i's kind of like a weird very angsty and angry and so i think the issue is we have all these movies where supposedly um or actually you know coming off of what you were saying about how if if if uh if the story is like a black

family with a house and the housing issue it makes sense the family's black it doesn't work if they're white you have this movie where it doesn't doesn't have to matter that it's an interracial gay couple with a kid you have a bunch of movies where it's a white family and there are ghosts and it doesn't matter if it was a white family or a black family the horror story works regardless of the race and ethnicity of the character why can't we just have these things you know what i mean like why can't they make a movie where we have an interracial gay couple with a daughter but it's just like a regular horror movie that's well written that that you know scares you with not jump scares i hate jump scares like just tell a good story like have you ever seen the others

one of the best like horror like nicole kidman really really great writing clever movie and you know you could make these movies with diverse casts and characters and all that stuff and it would still be a great movie. Instead, what they do is they write social justice, like letters to social justice for you, and then they call it a horror movie. And, you know, A, if you had a black horror movie, it would be a really short horror movie because everyone knows black people die first. It would be like opening credits credits boom click and then crawl but uh seriously though but what you're saying is one thing that i've been beating on in public is is that this idea of you know there is a universal human experience and you can have you know a gay

interracial couple um but as long as it's rooted in like if it's a horror movie we want to see what they do to survive and get out alive life how do they use their wits their strength how do they survive this um this ordeal well they don't well the evil the evil white immortal people that a spoiler alert but i've spoiled the movie already before basically what they say they explain is that every 10 years they trick marginalized people into coming into the town so that they can sacrifice them for immortality oh come on man it's just it's just like very very over the top like i get it well because here's my thing and and i say like i made a tweet about like you know i never got into acting to be an activist and there are too many people now i feel like who are saying that we want to send a message we want to you

know we want to inject our activism into the story where it would probably be more effective if you focused more on story craft and telling a good story. You know, two examples that I use often, movies that came out around the same time, indie films, one was called Pariah, which is a coming of age story about a young black lesbian in New York City. The other was called Gun Hill Road, which is a coming of age story about a young, like a 16 year old Latino male who is transitioning into female. And, you know, you see all these sort of awkward interactions, first love, first kisses, you know, how it affects the family. And it's like, okay, we see that now. I can relate to that. You know, I'm looking at a slice of life that I don't really

understand or that I don't necessarily identify with. But as a human being, I'm sitting there. I'm saying like, oh, yeah, the familial strife, the awkwardness of first love, trying to find navigate sex and dating, which, you know, it's going to have even more challenges. You know, and we want it. We want to see conflict in our drama. That's that's that's one of the core tenets of drama. You know, how does this character deal with these new challenges that they're invited into? They're invited.

And see, you know, I speak now with that they're inviting into their lives like that's what i want to see i want to see the human struggle how do they overcome adversity i don't want to be preached that and given some sort of message i don't need to be improved when i go to the movies i just i want to experience something there's there's watching like the grudge there's no racist narrative when the creature climbs out of the black shadows of the wall and it's like a demon going. Yeah, right. Exactly. It's so creepy.

It's just a creepy movie. Yeah. Well, let's do one more super chat and then we'll jump over to the members only stuff. Jennifer Reams says Clifton has the coolest voice ever. He has my vote to narrate the coming Civil War. There you go. Well, thank you. Appreciate that. All right. If you haven't already, smash that like button. Go to

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You can follow me on Twitter at Clifton A. Duncan. You can also find me on Instagram at Clifton Duncan online. I also have a YouTube channel. That's my name, Clifton Duncan, that I'm growing. And if you're an artist out there and you feel like you are, that you're being silenced and that you're afraid, just reach out to me. And I'm connecting with all of these people. So much, so many of us are afraid, but you know,

I'm still figuring out what I'm doing in this space that I keep getting drawn into. I'm being urged to create a podcast and do all kinds of things. So, um, just keep a lookout for, for what I'm up to. And,

you know, I'm just, I'm happy to, to speak with, with, with you all and, and to visit and stop by. And I appreciate you.

You give me a chance to run my mouth a little bit. I love having you here, man. That was awesome. Hey man, I enjoyed it. It's cool. Except all the creepers that were like,

man, his voice is just so, you know, cause no one was like, man, he's so smart. And what a deep and insightful person. They were like,

he just makes me just superficial. Yeah. I know. You're vibrating. All you objectifying people out there, you should be ashamed of yourself. Just keep giving them money though. So just,

just do that. Thank you. I love it. of yourself. Just keep giving them money, though. Just do that. Thank you. Thanks, dude. Hey, guys. You can follow me on edincrossland.net and then you can check out all my socials and dig it. I love you all, man. Thanks for coming. This has been really fun. Very cool. Yeah, great chat with Clifton

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