Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #242 - Antifa Storms Banks in Portland, Try To Break Into Federal Building w/Kim Iversen

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host commentator and fellow YouTuber Kim Iversen to discuss rioting in Portland, gun control, multiculturalism, employment and equality, libertarianism, and the value of higher education.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to Timcast IRL. If you haven't already, subscribe. Smash the like button. And we've got a bunch of stories. A lot having to do with Antifa riots, this autonomous zone in Minneapolis, the Chavin trial, and what's going on with some of the jurors. Apparently today in the good old Pacific Northwest, Antifa was out and about trying to smash their way into banks.

There's like a photo of like a cop coming out. He's got a gun. And so we're going to talking about a lot of this stuff and we'll get into what's going on. We also have got Cuomo. He's being referred, his actions to the police. The latest harassment claim against them is fairly serious, I suppose.

And we'll get into all this stuff. There's some other cool stuff. AOC and Matt Gaetz working together on marijuana legalization. And then we've got some gun control laws and we're talking about a lot of guns. But today we are hanging out with Kim Iverson. Do you want to introduce yourself? Well, I'm Kim Iverson. I'm a political YouTuber, right? For now, while YouTube keeps me on. And

I'm, I would say I'm a progressive on the progressive left, but libertarian. But like the Tulsi kind of progressive, right? I was a big Tulsi supporter and more of a progress. Yeah, more libertarian progressive if there is a thing. It's it's politically homeless, I guess. I don't Yeah, I don't know if I am, though. I think there's enough of me enough of you. Yeah. So I don't feel like I'm that homeless. I just think that we don't. I think we haven't figured out our address yet. I should put it that way. The numbers haven't been put on the house, but there's a house.

Well, I think you're critical of war and you criticize the Democrats and you criticize COVID lockdowns. Right. I was the only progressive, I think, actually. That's what kind of differentiated me. And then a lot of people started calling me far right or something. Well, that basically means, yeah, of course, if you don't agree with the orthodoxy in the cathedral yeah maybe that's the easiest way to to put it it doesn't matter what your political alignment is are you with or against the cathedral you know what they call us heretics yeah you're a heretic or you're

heretics i'm a heretic i'm definitely anti-establishment yeah for sure anti-elitist yeah i yeah well i don't know i mean i'm i guess it depends on what you mean by that because some elites are also anti-establishment yeah you know i wouldn't like right off for sure yeah right he's an outsider you know so it's like elon musk he's yeah yeah i would say he's in that so i don't know if i'm anti-elite i'm not anti-rich people you know i'm not anti that but aren't't progressives eat the rich, tax the rich? Well, I would like to, right? So more taxes, I guess, for the rich,

I suppose. So I would say anti-establishment for sure, anti-war. Well, anti-needless war. Not a dove. Sometimes war is necessary, I suppose. Sounds like you're just a reasonable person. That's what I would say. That's why I think that I'm not alone in my house.

I think we're all in a similar house, but it is like a lonely party. And it's not because I think most people probably agree with a lot of things we would all say. We disagree on a lot of things, too. But the main agreement is that we can have the conversation. But I think a lot of people are just scared and would prefer to just say, you know, tell me what to say. I don't want to get kicked out. So they're hanging out in the establishment house because they got they got all the big beers and all the big tv shows and there are a lot of people who will just they

won't deliver at our house because there's no address yet exactly it's true see frustrating we got ian chillen hey everybody what's up ian crossland in the house it's going great man yeah it's going pretty good nice couple days we talked kim and i talked last night about not tarot but but power cards. Tim's an ace of spades. Maybe we can get into it later. Yeah, you're a six of spades. Yeah.

What does that mean? He is an eight of diamonds. That's a good card. That's a really cool card. That's like the best card. Ace of spades. Yeah, you know that song by, was it Motorhead? Yeah, I think.

Ace of spades. You know what I mean? I mean, we could get into it. I'll let you know everything you need to know about being an ace of spades. My mom's an ace of spades. Princess Diana was an ace of spades. Oh, nice get into it i'll let you know everything you need to know about being an ace of spades my mom's an ace of spades princess diana was an ace of spades what was her birthday wait i don't know but she was an ace of spades how does that make you an ace of spades well because the way it works is so it's based on a deck of cards but this is back before playing cards were playing cards this is actually the system that this was built on

was um uh when playing cards are actually a sort of like a Bible to a certain group of people. And they think that it may be stemmed from people somewhere in the Middle East, this system. So, you know, you've got Chinese astrology, right, with what year you're born. And then you have Western astrology with like, you're a Pisces, I'm an Aries, we're Aries, right, Leo here. So this one is some sort of Middle Eastern astrology. And they based it on a deck of cards. And basically, each day has a different card. And of course, there's 52 cards, and there's more than 52 days.

So some cards get reused. Some cards don't. So some cards, I believe there's as many as 13 days associated with one single card. March 9th is Ace of Spades? March 9th is Ace of Spades? March 9th is Ace of Spades. So everybody born on March 9th is an Ace of Spades. But then also, I could tell you, everybody born, I believe, April 11th, I think, is also. Maybe it's April 11th.

Or maybe it's April 7th. Sorry, everybody born April 7th is also an ace of spades. So it's like that. I want to talk about this, but we'll start with the news stuff first. Yeah, let's get that out of the way. Before we get to the crazy stuff, and that's not what my show is about. I don't want anybody to think this is what I do. I love it. It's just a side hobby

of what I like. It's just something like that, but I am legit, okay? I believe it. Foreign policy expert. I mean, more or less. That's your area of focus is foreign policy? area of focus right mostly well until covid and then i got into the virus stuff and i started talking about that stuff a lot but yeah foreign policy was probably my biggest you know big fan of tulsi gabbard friend of hers um and um that sort of you know was really in that lane a lot criticizing foreign policy traveled around you know to kind of see some stuff for myself. We're all big fans of Tulsi.

Yeah. I love her. Yeah. Tulsi's great. She's really great, you know. We'll see what she's going to do. Well, let's get into the politics. Don't forget, we also got Sour Patchlets

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Let's just read. They say a dramatic scene unfolded in Portland this afternoon as Antifa and other left-wing activists tried to break into a Chase bank. A lone security guard managed to hold off the mob with his pistol. The Post Millennial editor at large, Andy Ngo, posted footage from a left-wing mob and a bank security guard. The source of Ngo's videos is an account titled 45th Parallel Absurdist Brigade, who documented the day's activities. They seem to be sympathetic to the protest's cause, seeing as they got nostalgic when passing by the federal courthouse, where last summer Antifa hosted nightly sieges against authorities. was a gathering meant to protest against something called Line 3, which, according to a piece last

month from The Guardian, is an upcoming pipeline proposal to transfer nearly one million barrels of tar sands a day from Alberta, Canada, to Superior, Wisconsin, a move that is facing pushback from activists over it being constructed through Native American lands, as well as concerns about the health of the water supply as a result. The protesters went to Chase Bank because they're reportedly one of the funders of the Line 3 pipeline project. The demonstrators made their way inside after a standoff. After tagging the Chase in a nearby Apple store with graffiti, the protest made its way to Wells Fargo for an encore performance. It all came back around to the Hatfield Courthouse, where DHS and the Antifa crowd are in a standoff at the time of writing. Federal officers are currently responding

to protect the courthouse as the Antifa crowd starts up their routine property damage to the area all right there was there was a lot of stories we were like what should we open with there's a lot going on you know cuomo is you know facing some kind of criminal charges but this one really like wrapped up a bunch of stories you got a pipeline from canada you got native american lands you've got antifa riding you've got the courthouse back in play and banks it's like a fruit punch medley of all of the things that they're uh upset about and I gotta I gotta be honest kind of just doesn't make sense you know so we've been kind of following these stories about what's been going on with Antifa over the past year or so and I'm interested actually to get your take Kim

considering you know you view yourself as a progressive you focus heavily on foreign policy but also lockdown stuff just like what you think about what's been going on and how you feel about these uh these individuals like what do i think about how antifa and everything that's been going on with uh like chaz chop areas and all these other things going on yeah i mean i personally the way i view it in just kind of like an overview kind of uh looking from the top down sort of you know if i were an alien coming to Earth, it just looks like everybody's becoming a little bit radicalized in the United States. And I think it's a normal thing to become radicalized. So as somebody who studies a lot of foreign policy,

looking at groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, right, terrorist organizations, how do people get recruited into those organizations, right? They get recruited in because their life isn't where they want their life to be. They're not getting the resources that they need to live a good life. They don't feel like they can have a life with a good family, you know, have a family and have all the things and opportunity. They're lacking opportunity. So they join these extremist organizations. And I think what we're seeing happen here in the United States is that same lack of opportunity that is happening on both sides of the aisle because it's just people in general not getting that opportunity are now looking for a place to kind of get their anger out.

And so we're seeing it manifest in a variety of ways. And I think that some of the youth are really going after like the they're kind of going and creating these zones like the, you know, Chaz Chop or they're just I think they're just holding up finding some ideology to hold on to, to be like, yeah, this is. Are they really mad about any of this stuff? Like, no, no, it's not that. And that's what that's kind of my point is my point is they're not mad about – they're just exerting their anger somewhere, anywhere, and they just find a group that they think kind of aligns with them on something. And they say, okay, this sounds good, and you're going to help me get my opportunity back because we're going to take the country back. And it's that same exact mentality. What are these Antifa people who are protesting in Minneapolis, right, setting up this new autonomous zone? I understand you could argue they're mad about the George Floyd thing.

But when you see them actually go out, they went to a Chase Bank because it's some way related. That one Chase Bank has nothing to do with it. I understand. I guess the brand is a symbol of what they oppose. But I wonder, it seems like they just went out and said, we're going to get violent. You know, we're going to smash. So they go to the courthouse. They go to different banks. They went to Wells Fargo, I guess, it seems like they just went out and said, we're going to get violent. You know, we're going to smash. So they go to the courthouse. They go to different banks.

They went to Wells Fargo, I guess, because banks are bad. They go smash windows at Starbucks. I get that they're angry. But what are they angry about? You mentioned that people get radicalized because they don't have the resources they need. I mean, these people, I can certainly understand the COVID lockdowns. But many of these people, I mean, regardless, you're still living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

Is it a lack of perspective? Like they've not seen how bad it really is in other countries. So they just assume they have it bad. And it's really just. I just don't think we can live the American dream anymore. And that's what I think the issue is. I mean, you've been able to live the American dream and many of us have been able to, but not everybody can.

I mean, a lot of us are just riddled in student debt. I have $35,000 of student loans that I've been paying on for 17 years. I still owe $32,000 after 17 years. And I definitely agree. I'm for student loan forgiveness, for sure. But I think it should be based on the principle of what you borrowed and you pay back. Sure. I mean, there's a lot of nuances to it, right?

But it's the overall, and there's many ways we can go about doing things like student loan forgiveness, because obviously, we have to fix the system and not just, hey, we're going to give everybody a check that's, you know, there's a lot. But my point really is that there we're in a society right now, that we were all told when we were children, that we could have the two car house, fence, minivan, stay at home spouse, potentially, to raise the kids, go on a vacation once a year to Grand Canyon or Times Square or Disney World, and that we could go. And then you have your starter home, and then you upgrade your house.

And then you, you know, all of these basic things that our grandparents, the greatest generation, what are they called? The greatest generation? Yeah, what they were able to have, we were all told we could have that and then something went wrong and suddenly especially after 2008 boomers lost in many of them lost their retirement so a lot of them are now stuck in apartments and after losing their houses and then the millennials and gen xers and gen z are not able to then recreate what the greatest generation was able to create and we were told all as little children we were going to be able to do this. So that's the angst.

So some of us are able to go and maybe have money, make money, do that. But the problem is that it's not at the same level or scale that was able to do that before. I think the problem is college. I think college is the main problem. And looking at Antifa, I'll just give a shout out to this viral post from Reddit. It was from r slash cringe. So this is like a prominent, sorry, but it's like a very viral video. And it's this young woman who looks, you know, typical kind of attractive. She's doing the normal things, wearing makeup, Her hair is, you know, looking good. And then it's like first year of college and her head's shaved. And it's like her hair is just like straggly and pink. And she's like screaming and shrieking at the camera like, whoa, what happened to you? They go to college and they enter these weird environments.

And it's like this person was angry and they didn't even graduate. What happened where she's in high school and she's like your typical high school uh you know girl and then she joined she goes to college and in her first year she becomes this so like i definitely see what you're saying i think we can we can expand upon like angst and the denial of of what we were promised and things like that but what's this thing like you go to college one year and then all of a sudden they're antifa and they're they're dressing like crazy people i don't think that's most college experience. I think that's very specific to like certain universities that take on that vibe like Berkeley is one or, you know, I don't know, maybe Yale.

I guess I don't know. I don't really pay much attention to that. But, you know, when I went to college, it was I went to UC. I went to seven different schools, to be honest with you. And then I finally ended up at UC Davis, which is my final school. And there, you know, everybody's nose to the grindstone just working. And everybody's, you know, the the it's that's all they're doing. They're just studying. So I do think that there is some of that radicalization that happens. But I don't know if that's and I what that where that becomes a real problem is they dominate the conversation right so what we're getting is this real woke ism you know that everybody's a racist bigot now yeah you're double white i'm double white i'm double white but you're more double white than i am because i'm a little more asian so that makes me more more yeah more white right more white yeah i'm not allowed to talk race topics, I've found. The people who like, look, the people who are starving these banks and fighting at these

federal courthouses, it's not the majority of people. It is those who are getting radicalized. Right. Because there are certainly a lot of people like, look, you have student loan debt. You're upset about it. You're not going around smashing windows. I might start. Don't smash my windows.

Pay my loans off, smash. It's, it's, I's i i apparently the stuff works you get violent you freak people out and they get on their knees and say please stop please don't hurt me and i don't know if it does because i mean i think when the other side you know when there's um depends on who does it right after january 6th it seems like that's not exactly what happened oh yeah i think it's fair i think it's fair to criticize um to the extent that it was like the capitol building during the joint session of congress to count the electoral votes so that holds a lot of weight with with why it was particularly egregious but i'm like they've

stormed you know the far left has stormed local state buildings like capitol buildings local courthouses they've literally stormed the congressional buildings and more than one occasion they were trying they were banging on the door and smashing it during the Kavanaugh hearing. So it's like... I think it's worse to go after the average person.

Take your angst out on the right people. At least these Antifa people, I'll give them credit. They didn't go after the mom-and-pop shops. They went after the actual institutions

they're angry at. No, they went after mom-and-pop shops. On this one, this occasion? Oh, this one, this one, this one, right, right, right. They went to the banks.

Right, this one. Finally, they went and did it to the right people. You know, because before they were going into my neighborhood. I mean, they came to my house. I mean, they came. Wow. During the summer, we had armed invaders in our complex and we were all told to go into lockdown, not COVID lockdown, but an actual lockdown.

We had helicopters swarming above and we had armed the armed. You want to say what city you live in? I live in LA. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So people went into your complex or whatever? Yeah.

What happened was there was like a group of armed rioters, looters or whatever, and they had looted a place, a business, and then they got in their getaway car and drove off and the cops were chasing after them and they drove into my complex of all places and they got out of their car and they got into our building and they were hiding in our building with guns. It's a good thing you guys are armed and you have excellent gun laws. Funny thing. So I'm from Idaho and I've always been, even though I've always identified as a liberal and more of a Democrat, even though now not. But the one thing that I never really agreed with others on my side of the aisle were about guns.

I'm a big pro-Second Amendment person. I'm from Idaho. You know, I don't know. Maybe I'm sure there's anti-Second Amendment people in Idaho, so I shouldn't generalize. But after that, I will say everybody in my complex, I live in a very liberal area of L.A. as well. And everybody was very always been anti-gun. And after that, at the dog park, I'd go to the dog park with my dog and I'd overhear

the conversations. And people would say, you know, I never thought about owning a gun there it is now i'm thinking about buying a gun yeah it really shakes you and i always tell me too but yeah i mean look at what's happened in the cities i mean we were locking down people were coming to our house we had my neighborhood was totally destroyed by the looters. And my aunt's business, she had to board it up. Wow. And by the way, refugee immigrants with businesses that have been able to work hard and have the American dream in a way and had to board up their businesses. And now, I don't know if their businesses will survive. There is a cultural practice among my people.

When these riots happen, they get on top of the roofs of their stores. And it's a weird thing to bring up because I know there's like, you know, Count Dankula was like talking about roof Koreans for a long time. And I'm like, I wonder if the woke people like are going to feign outrage over that. Because like, I, I think that LA riots had a lot of problems. We can be critical of it. wonder if the woke people like are going to feign outrage over that because like i i think the la riots had a lot of problems we can be critical of it but like am i allowed to joke about roof koreans you know taking their guns and getting on the rooftops to defend their families and their businesses or am i going to get in trouble yeah you're a racist now as long as you make the enemies no you're a racist tam as long as you make the enemies zombies then yeah maybe koreans are at

better aim it Is that racist? It reminds me of that Rick and Morty, the first episode where he's like, shoot the shoot, shoot a Morty. And he's like, I don't want to kill him. He's like, they're robots. And then he shoots one of them. And the guy's like, oh, my leg. I meant figuratively.

They're bureaucrats, Morty. They work for the government. Yeah, that was funny. I don't think we're allowed to make that joke. Yeah. It won't Rick and Morty. Yeah. I remember when everything started getting crazy during COVID and the lines were out

the door and it was like all of a sudden, like run of the mill liberals were trying to buy guns. And the funniest thing about it was how many of them realized it wasn't easy. Like, oh, no, especially in California. Yeah. I hear it's like not impossible to buy a weapon, to buy a gun in California. What's the process? I hadn't tried because I knew I wasn't going to be able gun in California. What's the process? I hadn't tried because I knew

I wasn't going to be able to do it, but I know that, for one, the stores, many of them were closed. I think you have to apply, but what many of us do is just we consider going to my home state of Idaho or Nevada and the process is a lot easier.

And then you're able to bring it back to California? Oh, sure. You just have to register the weapon once you get to California. Oh, interesting. A lot of states do operate like that. You know, if you already have it or if you bought it somewhere else legally, then they don't care if you have it. Yeah. So it is weird. And, you know, in that capacity, there are a lot of people who are staunchly like absolute to a absolutist.

And I have to say, from like a legal perspective, I don't see a way around this argument. Like, you know, we talk about Michael Malice too much. Michael, we talk about you too much. I need to say from like a legal perspective I don't see a way around this argument like you know we talk about Michael Malice too much Michael we talk about you too much I need to look this guy up you guys have a real bromance going you know it's because he's a smart guy and he made a really good point he said that the constitution says

I have a right to keep and bear arms but every single cop in New York City would arrest me if I had a gun and I'm like, I mean, the Constitution is the law of the land. It says you that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say if you're mentally ill, you can't have a weapon. It doesn't say if you're a felon, you can't have a weapon. It literally is just verbatim. You can have a weapon. Yeah, I get because it's the open carry or it's the concealed carrier open carry laws. Right. So I guess all of a sudden now there's like, look, New Jersey,

you can't you absolutely. Well, you there's like look new jersey you can't you absolutely well you can own the weapon but you can't go anywhere with it you can't bear it well and that's right so that's the big question is what does bear mean does it yeah but i and i would think that bearing arms i guess we'd have to look back at what did they mean by the word bearing you know bear arms back then it meant bear arms show it you can kill a bear yeah it looks like if you're bare naked that means you're it's obvious everyone can see it um if you're bearing your teeth that means you're showing your teeth so bearing arms would be like open carry basically well that's what we think today in 2021 with that word but i'd be curious to think what to know what their definition of it was in 17 you can look at a lot of the

quotes from the founding fathers and like the federalist papers and things like that and they're pretty much like everybody should have guns all the time right people had people at artillery you know they had private artillery at their at their homes there's like a funny meme about some you know the people a lot of people on the left like to say you know the founding fathers didn't expect someone to have a semi-automatic you know whatever ar-15 assault weapon or something um which assault weapon is meaningless by the way but uh and then there's this funny meme where it's like someone breaks into a guy's house and he pulls out his musket and fires it goes across the street and hits a dog ripping a hole in it because it's smoothbore he runs upstairs and screams tally-ho lads and then fires two massive artillery cans

like no no no people like the this back in the day they had private warships like you could literally own your own battleship you couldn't own a cannon you couldn't own a cannon no you couldn't own a cannon they actually had some believe it or not you know i researched this extensively because i i was always a real to a extreme i would say i was an extremist uh back i had and i maybe just barely converted out of the extremism but i used to say if the government can own it i want to be able to own it yeah right but then i realized there's i wouldn't be able to own all the the weapons the government has because i don't have enough money and do i really want the people who are

really rich to have the ability right and then then then i said okay maybe i'm not so extreme after all because i don't know if i want the rich real class warfare there right i don't want them to own the nuke right which they would right and then i you know bill gates or whoever you want to write and then the rest of us can't right so prevents mercenary warfare in a lot of ways government oversight crazy as it is yeah so you know then i'm less less extreme. You can own a cannon today. No, you can't. What kind of a cannon? You can't. Maybe what's the definition of a cannon?

Yeah, it depends. But back then you couldn't have, like, an actual cannon. Just like they banned fully automatic rifles after the Valentine's Day massacres. When was that? Other than Valentine's Day? 20s. Oh, actually on Valentine's Day. Yeah, I think it was. It was a mob. When was that? Other than Valentine's Day? 20s. Actually, on Valentine's Day. Yeah, I think it was. It was a mob. It was a mafia.

Yeah, a mob hit. Went in and killed like 14 or 15 people. I'm thinking maybe because we don't live on the frontier anymore, we don't need the full, open, bearing arms mentality. I don't think the canon thing is accurate. I mean, I did look

it up, and there are people saying you could not but privateers and corsairs existed they and they maybe if it was like a well-regulated militia could have a canon no but a privateer was like it literally means private shit it's like privateer yeah yeah they they they're not necessarily pirates but they were responsible for a lot of the piracy because what would happen is uh with with the uk with the with the english crown for instance they would issue, they would issue letters of mark to a private warship or a private ship that had military capabilities. And then the letter of mark was basically like, if you screw with our enemies, then you're all good. And then what would happen is France would be like they would go to Britain and be like, your citizens are pirates and you're signing letters of marque. And then the crown would be like, oh, heavens, they're criminals.

We had nothing to do with this. So it was like mercenary warfare, essentially. But people had them. Well, maybe it's only specific cases you could have the cannon. Like if you had a ship. Maybe. That was it. But you couldn't have one in your backyard or on your farm.

I know today that like Luke recently sent me a, I guess it was like an artillery Gatling gun of some sort. It's like it's got two wheels and it's this massive thing. He sent you a Tommy gun? You're not allowed to have that. Well, not full auto, but you can have a Tommy gun. Yeah. But Gatling guns are legal. Gatling guns are totally legal.

So each crank is a trigger pull. So you're allowed to go. And so he's like showing me this like rotating 9mm or whatever with these huge magazines. He's like, I think you should get this. And I'm like, bro, I don't think I need. I don't think I need that. Why not? You never know.

Steven Crowder did like a big thing about this, about what the founding fathers thought and expected when it came to weapons and what were available at the time. And I guess a lot of a lot of people, you know, these liberals who, interestingly, now are the ones who are very much so buying a lot of these weapons that there were very serious technological advancements in terms of firearms back in the day. They just weren't common so while people were using like flintlock pistols and muskets and stuff there were there i think there was one like he showed where it's got like 16 barrels and they were each loaded and you could like fire them all wrap in succession and those were legal and allowed it's just people it was easier and cheaper to have the standard you know single shot or whatever so i guess i guess it is an interesting argument about what they actually thought but as far as i can tell you know maybe maybe by today's standards the founding fathers would look and be like oh heavens people have like why didn't they change this yet but hold on

that would that would apply to everything else too like okay well then you don't have free speech on social media you don't you know you're not allowed to use telephones because like the idea that you aren't allowed to have your First Amendment rights, your right to worship because technology changed, you know, well beyond what they expected to happen. Communications over the Internet is not guaranteed. And I guess they're arguing that to a certain extent. But no, like technology changes, but our rights change with them. So a better example is probably the Fourth Amendment metadata. If you have private information you do not expect people to see, then it is a violation of your rights to illegally search or seize your private information.

There was no such thing as metadata back then. But we still, I think, for the most part, agree the NSA is bad. You know, spying on us and stealing our data is a violation of our right to be free from this intrusion. And so when it comes down to the Constitution, I actually think there are some things that we don't want even the state to use against its people or the people to have because weapons are becoming extremely powerful, particularly directed energy weapons. Cat's out of the bag, though. There's two big points.

The Constitution is there. And just because I might not agree with it, I don't feel like I have the right to take it. You do. You have the right to amend it. I have the right to express my opinion like I'm doing now. But I don't believe that these politicians who are passing these laws have a right to do that unless they amend the Constitution. So by all means, we can have a conversation. But if you don't get that two-thirds majority, then it should not be done.

The question is, should we amend it? At this point, it doesn't matter. What do you mean? 3D printed guns. Like there's no stopping. But should we have the right to bear arms? Yes. Should everyone have the explicit right to walk around with the open carry weapon?

Yep. Even in a city where you're packed together and it's like 20, 30 people sitting on a bus and everyone's got a handgun? Yep. Very polite. Maybe not a handgun. Oh, yeah. I think so.

You think so? Everything. Anything. I really... You could have like... What about if a little kid had one? Yep. yep very polite maybe not a handgun oh yeah i think so you think so everything anything i really think you're gonna have like really what about if a little kid had one what about if a kid reached over and grabbed your gun or something that's theft but it was a kid it didn't know any better what would you do what if like someone's four-year-old reached over and tried to grab your gun then take better care of your gun and make sure out of your holster just reached over

and grabbed your holster yeah make sure what would you do would you shoot kid like what What would you do? Would you shoot a kid? Like, what do you do? No, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What would some crazy person do? Get away from my gun? You would grab the kid's arm. It's a four-year-old. And you'd just take the gun.

What if it's like an 11-year-old? Then you'd grab. You can't overpower an 11-year-old, Ian. Of course you could. Let me get to the point. I'm just saying. You're getting away from the point. There's reasons why you don't dangle candy in front of every kid.

Listen, I'm not saying I like the idea. I'm saying so long as the Constitution says you have the right to keep and bear arms, I can't tell someone they can't do kid. I'm not saying I like the idea. I'm saying so long as the Constitution says you have the right to keep and bear arms, I can't tell someone they can't do it. I know, but should we change the Constitution is my question. Do you think there should be training for guns? You know, this is like one,

maybe saying, okay, you can... Yes, absolutely. But what about if we said, okay, you can bear it publicly as long as you've passed training courses? I don't like that idea. Why not? I guess the challenge is so long as the Constitution has it verbatim in there, I feel like it would be an authoritarian violation of other people's rights to supersede the supreme law of this land.

That includes all of the amendments as well, like Fifth Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Third. I don't think we have to worry about the Third Amendment because troops aren't gonna be coming to our houses, but you know, whatever. You don't know that. I mean, look what they're doing. I know for real. Third Amendment might become important. I used to actually think more along the lines of there's probably reasonable restrictions we can put in place. And, you know, much like the First Amendment, I think there are some reasonable interpretations don't commit a crime. So with the First Amendment, we have a right to free speech, freedom of assembly, religion, the press, and a regis of grievances. And those are all fairly straightforward, and we know what they can do and what we can do.

And if someone commits a crime by instructing or inciting violence, that is not protected. In fact, it says peaceably assemble. And so that I understand. That's not, in my opinion, a restriction on the First Amendment, which, it says peaceably assemble. And so that I understand. That's not, in my opinion, a restriction on the First Amendment, which says speech and reason and peaceably assemble. If you are committing a crime, there is a challenge because crimes can laws can be changed and other things can become crimes. They can say, OK, if you one of the arguments to be careful of, and this is why I'm still very much more absolute on free speech issues, not completely, though, is they'll say, all right, if committing a crime is the threshold by which you don't have the right to say something like telling someone to go commit harm or murder somebody, Charles Manson, then what if they pass a law saying hate speech is a crime? And now they can say, okay, well, now that offending someone is a crime, you can't cross the threshold of committing a crime. So it's very difficult. And that's why the Constitution exists for an important reason. Founding fathers were very

concerned about tyranny. More so, the Bill of Rights was the anti-federalists who were concerned that centralization of federal authority would cause another situation like they had with the Crown. So we got these guaranteed rights. If you want them to change, we have an amendment process for this. So as much as I might be like, in Chicago, we got gun problems. In New York, if, you know, we had, when we were talking with Luke about this, it was interesting because I said, bro, if you're in a cubicle apartment stacked on top of a bunch of concrete shoeboxes smelling like sour milk, and someone breaks in and you've got, you know, like a 308 rifle, you're going to go through the walls.

You might hit somebody. That's really bad. And Luke's instinctive reaction was maybe we ban, you know, maybe we don't allow certain calibers. I was like, oh, there it is. It's exactly the logic people use. And I totally understand it. If you're in New York and someone tries robbing you and you pull out your gun, you can cause a lot of collateral damage because you'll probably miss. People don't realize, even people who are good at shooting might be in an intense situation. They panic.

They miss. They hit something. They hit somebody else. So naturally, people in big cities say, we want gun control laws. My problem is, okay, but you need to amend the Constitution. We can't just say the Constitution is meaningless. Because either it matters or it doesn't. And I do not believe that I have the authority, or any politician does, to be like, Constitution doesn't matter. I guess that's why we don't why the Constitution says anyone can do it.

And then it's like a state by state or locality by locality thing, because you don't want to ban the open right to carry in rural Idaho when just because the New York City is too close. People are too close together. But we don't do that with free speech. We don't say, well, it's based on which city you live in. So, you know, you should have the right to say what you want to say if you're in rural Idaho, but not if you're in New York City. I mean, we, you know, so on that point, we don't have it municipality by municipality. We do it, you know, it's a blanket free speech. Maybe the issue is just, listen, you're responsible for whatever comes at the end of that barrel. And if you live in New York and you own a gun and you have it on you and you use it

and whatever it hits, you're responsible for. The same is true for anywhere you live. Yeah, but if I'm dead, I'm not going to care how responsible you were held to whatever it was, right? Like at that point, I'm already I've already been victimized or I've already had to take the bullet literally. And you maybe get punished. But what does that do to help me?

And I think that's why, you know, they make these laws, because they're trying to prevent from me ever having that situation. Not it's not about you won't get punished. It's about I won't be victimized. It's a it's a it's it's an ethical conundrum, to say the least. And, man, we just really love really love making sure everybody knows who Michael Malice is. I hope you talk about me as well. You know, as much as you talk about him when I'm gone. He's just got these really good points. His beautiful eyes. I'm going to be listening every day.

And if I don't hear my name at least three times a show. My rights are not up to a vote. And I'm like, man, he's got to do it. But they are, aren't they? You can vote to amend the Constitution and change people's rights. So the issue is, yes. But I think the simple, simple way to look at it is so long as the Constitution guarantees your right to bear arms to keep them, then then it needs to be all the states coming together and changing that. And not some Rep Kinzinger in Illinois being like, I think we should have expanded background checks banning the private sale of firearms.

So do you agree with banning certain weapons or all weapons from those who've committed? Absolutely not. So even those who've committed violent crime with weapons and then they get out of jail. They pay their debt to society. And so you think they should be allowed to own a weapon again? Yes. Even those who committed violent crime with a gun? They're out of prison.

Yeah. So they pay the debt to society. Well, maybe. They should be allowed to vote. Yeah, I agree. They should get all of their rights reinstated upon completion. Including, wow. The right to bear arms.

I don't know. I hadn't thought about that. I mean, I definitely think felons who've paid their price and have come out should have the right restored to vote and bear arms and travel everything. Yeah, everything except I don't know about whether or not, you know, domestic violence, you know, especially guys that have committed acts of domestic violence, they go in, they come out and they serve very little time. And then, you know, so not everybody does pay what I would consider a reasonable debt to society. It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

I will take the liberty based view that we must protect the rights of the individual and those who have done right by our system and our rules over fear that there may be a risk. Like, uh, it, we mentioned this the other day, I think it was Otto von Bismarck or whatever, who said it is better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty person escape. Somebody who's suicidal. What do you think? Should they have the right to bear arms?

Yes. Even if you know, I'm in favor of assisted suicide. Yeah, but this is different than assisted suicide. This is somebody who's, um, you know, down, they're who's um you know down they're

feeling very down they they're not seeing the the light at the end of the tunnel right they're feeling and this is something that could be corrected fixed but not if they have a shotgun not if they have a butter knife but i agree with you on it you know on a physician assisted suicide for sure that has to happen you see the uh the dark knight you know the old batman movie yeah joker made a pencil disappear you know that scene it's a very brutal scene where he goes into the mobsters and they're like what do you want he's like i'm gonna show you i'm doing magic trick and he's like i'm gonna make it disappear and then he grabs slams the guy's head into it the pencil's gone the reason i bring that up is like if somebody if somebody is determined to cause themselves harm and end their life what they need is is help. And I one of the reasons I'm in favor of assisted

suicide is not because I'm like, yes, someone should just help them die. It's because they'll talk to somebody first, they'll go through a process to make sure they actually it's actually something that should happen. And oftentimes, a lot of people might have a chronic disease or like cluster headaches, where their life is just pure psychotic misery and agony and they're desperate. Nothing will relieve their pain. Oftentimes they're going through a period of depression and it'll put it'll help them go through therapy as opposed to taking their taking their taking action on their own. The gun argument for suicide overlooks the fact that people will get drunk and then sink

into a bathtub or they'll take pills and then sink into a bathtub, drop a toaster in the bathtub and a bunch of other really awful things. Well, I don't know. I think, you know, for a lot of people, they maybe want to end their life, but they want to do it quick and easy, and they can't fathom doing it in some, you know, drawn-out way that's going to cause a lot more pain or harm.

They want something quick. It tends to be guys. Right, it does. And it is the number one, you know, when people talk about all the gun violence, right, whenever they're mentioning all the gun violence, all these things, it's mostly suicide. That's true. And so that's, you know, so maybe there should be some sort of provision where it is like

a seven year, you know, that's what California does, seven years. You can't own a weapon after. You can't own a weapon after. If you've ever been suicidal or an attempt. Right, after, for seven years. I think that's way too long. Way too long. Yeah, it might be long that's way too long. Way too long. Yeah, it might be long.

Yeah, that might be a bit long. Prison's intense, though. The way our prison structure is, is it makes people radicalize. Oh, absolutely. For the most part. So a gun violent, a violent gun offender goes in there, comes out. There's a good chance that he or she is crazier than they were when they went in. The main issue with the suicide thing is, I'll put it this way.

I would absolutely love it if there was a way to reasonably have someone who was suicidal not have access to a gun or something they could use to end their life. One of the reasons

I'm in favor of assisted suicide is that we want to encourage as many people to go to a doctor and for therapy to talk about why they feel this way and determine if it actually is something they should, they need.

Most people probably- Oh, so you mean you're for physician-assisted suicide, even if the person's healthy and they want to end their life? No, no, no, no. I'm saying it would encourage people who are suicidal to go to a doctor, and then the doctor would be like, no. You know what I mean? I don't know if, I mean, if they, unless they were led to believe that that was an option, like if I can go to my doctor and I could tell him I'm suicidal and I don't want to do this

anymore, help me. Yeah. me yeah but that's different than like well so there would be criteria but I do believe there are a lot of people who would be like my life sucks I'm miserable and I think I might qualify they'll go to a doctor whatever we can do they'd have to be crazy and suicidal I think I think it's it may not be a perfect solution but whatever we can do

to encourage people who are suffering to go to a doctor in any capacity so I would love it if we could be like, okay, let's take... But they can't if they're dead because they've shot themselves because we let them have a gun. Then how do you take away their gun before they were suicidal? Before you knew they were suicidal? Well, you didn't, right?

So they had the option at that point. And so we're not... It's definitely not going to cure the problem. How do you know they're suicidal? Well, because people usually reach out at some point prior to that point. I mean, most people don't really want to end their life, and so they go through a process of reaching out before they get to that point. So people around them know,

and then they can say, we're going to take the weapon. You're talking just if they've attempted suicide. No, or they've reached out and said, I'm not, you know, because they go through a process prior to even hitting that point. There was a story, I think this was in Maryland, I'm not sure, It might have been Baltimore area where there was a guy.

He was in his 60s. I could be getting some of the details wrong, but the gist of it was someone in his life, an ex or a family member, was feuding with him, told the police that he was unstable and unwell and armed.

And so they served a red flag warrant. The police showed up to his house and he had no idea why they were there. They knock on the door and he answers the door and he's got his gun, which is legally allowed to do. And they said, we are taking your gun. And he doesn't know why.

And he said, the hell you are. And he fought with them and they shot and killed him. The problem with trying to seize someone's weapons because we think they might be suicidal is that we create conflicts where someone with a gun is now going to be engaging with police. We don't want the conflict. So it is tough. I'm not saying like, you know, if there's if there's someone who's like, deranged and mentally unwell, and they've got a gun, like we definitely want to prevent them from going on, you know, killing spree or doing something really atrocious with with it with that weapon. And figuring out the right way to go about doing that is difficult

because red flag laws end up creating very dangerous circumstances and may actually end up backfiring like they did in this circumstance. And there's apparently a bunch of other stories that are similar to it. This actually happened in Colorado. This happened to someone that I'm tertiarily connected to. He was a lawyer. He knew his rights. He was former military.

He was armed. They served a red flag on him and it ended in his death because he barricaded himself in there and there was no getting him out without i mean you gotta you gotta think about this too if like these people really are unstable then you're gonna send in police to be like now give us your guns when they're already unstable right then they're gonna that's gonna be a great way for them to commit suicide right then and there right there's there there is logic Right. Especially there is logic here. Like we want to make sure these crazy psychopaths don't have access to these weapons, you know, and they can't do these things.

But I don't know how you do that. I really, really don't. Criminals get guns and they're easy ways to get guns no matter what we do. When they ban things, people just find a way. And more importantly, 3D printed guns. You can get a 3D printer for a couple hundred bucks and you can easily easily print, like, what was the one we've been talking about right now? The first one? The ghost gun?

That first one? No, no, the first one. I think it's called the Liberator. The Liberator. You can only get one shot with those. Yeah, the original ones. A couple, about one. But they've improved it.

And now, apparently, there's some, like, better designs that can withstand and actually get a few rounds. You could easily 3D print something. FGC. No, not until then. F gun control. They're going to change the tech on the printers to prevent them from being able to print a gun. And the way they do that is by trying to hide the information or make the information illegal.

It won't work. Which is why the social networking censoring thing is so desperate. You can't do it. I mean, the CAD files are on the dark web. There's no way you can program it. I mean, the CAD files are on the dark web. It's unstoppable. Absolutely not. Not even just about the information. They might be able to put

back doors in the machines, but you can build your own 3D printers, too. I don't know. I doubt that anyone could ever have total control. Every time a new iPhone update comes out,

some 17-year-old kid figures out how to break Apple security, and then you can install whatever you want. So I think, more importantly, my ideal version of a world is people have a reasonable armament. People who are mentally ill or suicidal aren't armed. We have restrictions to make sure that the people who what the qualifications are, just as people have a right to do it. And we need to have an amendment if we want that to be considered. And then beyond that is how do you actually implement any of these controls without actually just infringing on the rights of those who are intelligent, well-meaning, lawful citizens?

Because I grew up in Chicago where guns were like, they're basically illegal. And every criminal has one. Like, I was a high school fight. I was 14, a couple blocks from my house. And some 15-year-old kid had a gun. They can just get it so easily. And so all that really ends up happening is that no one anywhere nearby had any means of protecting themselves from this person who had a gun.

And so you get a lot of murders on the South Side, and there's nothing anyone can do because they're not legally allowed to defend themselves when they see it. Maybe it wouldn't be a perfect world having a very dense population and everyone being armed because people might panic and you get a lot more shootings. But what's the alternative? I don't know what that world would look like.

I do know the world we have now is in Chicago. There was a friend of a friend of mine. He wasn't someone I knew, but it was someone my friends were friends with. Took two in the chest because he was sitting in front of the wrong house in his car and that was it someone walked out and had a gun and they couldn't do anything and he went pot pot well I definitely think

and kind of back to one of my original points is that we can curb gun violence by creating a happy population and when people feel like they're happy and they have opportunity and they've got a good life in front of them, they don't turn to violence and crime. We know this. This is

why we're seeing an uptick, a major uptick right now in violent crime. Murders, I think, are up 30% in the entire country. Maybe 38%, I think, was the last stat I read. And that is because people without jobs, people without opportunity, people struggling.

And the police have been defunded in many of these cities. Yeah, on top of it. So I think – but even if they weren't, I think we'd still see the uptick because people are feeling more desperate. And we are all animals at our core. I don't think any of us are better than anybody. We all can revert to that animalistic side of us. And so I think that if we want to curb gun violence, probably one of the better measures, because you look at a country like Switzerland, where everybody's got a gun. And they have very little gun violence, but they're all very happy. And they're all cared for. They are a happy population. They don't feel like they have to

resort to any of that. I think the main issue is I'm going to avoid using the principal buzzword because I know it'll trigger the left. But I'll just say we have disparate cultures in this country. And that means actually, I didn't get triggered only because I don't know what that means. So don't use fancy words with me, Tim. So what is what is multiculturalism mean to you? Multiculturalism, multiple cultures. And so American culture, how would you define American culture? Multicultural? Well, I mean, that seems to be like, I guess, kind of paradox, circular logic or paradoxical. I don't think well, you know, in my world, there isn't an American culture. That's like, I think what maybe others would think of as American culture.

Like, I think they think of, you know, burgers. I think they think of like my dad's life, where my dad grew up in Idaho, you know, on a farm with blonde hair, blue eyes, you know, went to church, had pigs or something. Does your mom believe in free speech yeah but so that's why to me american culture is different right because i'm an american and i was raised here but my mom is vietnamese and my mom's side of the family's vietnamese and they're very american i mean my mom is a big trump supporter um ironically you know my dad's side of the family idahoans farmers not they were bernie total progressive very similar experience it's very strange like yeah the the korean side of my family is it's

not entirely trump but you know it's more so interestingly yeah and my mom's side of the family these are the refugees that by the way went through some of those camps that you have to go through in order to process they They went through the processing centers and people of color, you know, living in California, and they're the big Trump supporters. The idea of multiculturalism has two meanings. To the progressives, it means that under this big shared human experience, we all have different ways of living,

different clothes and different ways of speaking. But all of these cultures can exist side by side. You think so? That that's what liberals think? I don't think so. You don't think so? No. Well, you said progressive. You said liberal. Oh. Well, there's an overlap between the two. I mean, you don't think progressives feel that way about multiculturalism?

No, I don't think that's what they want. What do you think they mean by it? Because they cancel all of that. It's like you're not allowed to be different. Right. No. Well think they mean by it? Because they cancel all of that. So it's like you're not allowed to be different. Right. No. Well, they segregate it.

So it's like a honeycomb of like your culture goes here and ours go here and we don't interact. I thought Bernie Sanders was like the penultimate progressive. He's not at all like that. Yes, he is. He's so like loving of all people. No, no. He changed. Yeah.

He went on stage and said white people don't know what it's like to be poor. Yeah. He changed. Oh, he fell into the identity. 2016 Bernieie so i'm a 2016 bernie that's my love 2020 bernie he turned into aoc and i think that's actually what he did he he saw her and how popular she was and becoming and i think he adopted a lot of her rhetoric and it was a mistake yep same with like trump had he just stuck with his 2016 campaign message and had Bernie stuck with his 2016 campaign message, both of them. Right. It would have been a very different outcome.

I love this. This fact check from PolitiFact. Bernie Sanders, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor. And they say false. And I think it's funny just because like it's such a weird thing to say. Like, of course, white people know it's like to be poor. And it's also like, how do you actually prove what white people know? Because you can't read their minds.

But we all just know. They do know what it's like to be poor. It's a weird thing to fact check. Because it's kind of just like, well, it's common sense. If a white person is poor, they probably know this. Why would Bernie say that on March 6, 2016? He said that. When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor.

Global poverty. And he's assuming that most of the white people live in Europe. It's false. He didn't said that. When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor. Global poverty. And he's assuming that most of the white people live in Europe. It's false. He didn't say that. No, no. He did say it. But he's false about it. They're saying his statement is false.

Oh, they're saying his statement is false. Bernie Sanders did say this. Wow. So he said, quote, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car sanders said when you're white you don't know what it's like to be poor politifact rates this

statement as a false statement i think it's funny because you can't read the minds of white people and assume they know what it's like to be poor but considering the fact that white poor people are the there are more white poor people than any other you know demographic then it's fairly obvious so bernie would like he got arrested for sitting on civil rights in his early days. But he was co-opted by this progressive mind bug. Bro, he stopped saying millionaires. He still I heard him say it a couple weeks ago. Well, as soon as he became a millionaire, there was it was it was it was a progressive outlet that mentioned this, too.

I can't remember which one they were like. You can I think it may have been like Axios or something. That's not super progressive. Which is like kind of mainstream left. They said you can track the moment when Bernie Sanders became a millionaire by when he stopped saying millionaires and billionaires and began only saying billionaires. And then you can actually look at the chart

and see it. In a way is right. Because it's the billionaire class that's like choosing global policy at Davos. $999 million heirs. You don't have a lot of those at Davos. I mean, you might, but most of those people are like multi-billionaire worth $20 billion, $50 billion, $100 billion. I was at the World Economic Forum a couple of years ago.

A lot of people who are not rich, who are totally on board with everything they're doing and are all about this. But were you like choosing global policy? No, not me. Were you invited into the back rooms? Yeah, those people are like- I was invited to a ski resort

to like hang out with some of these people. They own cities. I mean, maybe millionaires do, too. Not every single person who's invited in has that level of wealth. Some people are just famous. But even if you have $500 million, you're still living at the same level as a billionaire in a lot of ways. And you can control.

Like the same lifestyle was. But it's a very different lifestyle than $10 million. Right. Oh, yeah. And $10 billion. You'd have like 50 companies if you were at 10 billion dollars with 500 million maybe like three two four not necessarily they're living a similar lifestyle how many yachts can you have you know it's i would say not necessarily but 30 there's

a certain amount of money where you can completely influence politics to an insane degree but let's go back a little bit you know because we're talking a little bit about bernie but i do want to mention the multiculturalism thing because we're talking about switzerland and gun crime and stuff and the issue is they're extremely culturally homogenous i don't know if that i that i hate that argument i went to sweden and i was told by all of these people on the right that there was a serious crime wave from refugees and migrants i was told on the left it was not true that crime was worse among native swedes and things like that was told on the left it was not true that crime was worse among native Swedes and things like that. It turns out the right wing narrative was particularly

exaggerated. I don't think from many of the conservatives it was intentional. I think what happened was there was a crime wave happening in some cities, notably Malma, and they saw their murder rates spike by like one thousand three hundred That's shocking, isn't it? This is true. Murder in MoMA year over year went up 1,300%. Now, when conservatives heard that, they were like, geez, what is happening in this place? Well, they recently took out a bunch of refugees. That must be the issue. It went from one murder to 13 murders. It was the children of refugees and migrants from 20 something years ago, and even maybe the grandchildren. And the crime was gang related, not refugees from the Middle East. And it was one murder to 13 murders. So while it was a massive percentage increase,

when you realize like, okay, that is bad, but their crime is still ridiculously low relative to anybody else. We definitely don't want crime on the rise. But a lot of people in the United States and the UK hear that and they imagine the cities are burning down and it's like this massive increase in crime. And then many on the left just like outright denied that it was happening. What I ended up finding out when I went to Sweden was that when they brought in a lot of Somali refugees in the 90s, they put them in enclaves where they had almost no opportunity to integrate

with the Swedish economy. It's not about culture. It's not about language. It's about the ability to get a job. And if you can't get a job, you become poor. And if you're poor, you become a poverty breeds crime. What ended up happening was I was told by many people in Sweden that these young men in places in some of these places, Rosengard or whatever, that they're they're called immigrants

by people in Sweden, even though they were born in the country. If they go and visit their relatives in Somalia, they're called Swedes because they have accents and they're not from Somalia. So here they are, people who struggle to find work, who can't find work and are and are basically isolated from Swedish culture because of the racism of Sweden. Sweden is one of the most racist place I've ever been to. Mind you, absolutely. These people can't get jobs.

They turn to lives of crime out of desperation and disdain. They don't view the police as having any authority over them because they don't feel like they're a part of that community because they were raised as being told they were immigrants when they were born in the country. That lack of integration and that separation of their two cultures means they didn't care about the swedish people and the swedish people certainly didn't care about them they changed the policy recently uh this is years ago mind you but they changed the policy when i was there so that when new migrants and refugees were refugees were coming in they were strategically placed so that

they were absolutely placed into the economy with an opportunity to work and go to school and have jobs and that seemed to have been helping a lot of the issues. What ended up happening was there's a couple of different ways we can experience multiculturalism. But the idea that's being pushed by the left, as you noted, the segregation idea is going to result in serious crime and violence. And so you'll have people who own guns and they'll use them against those who are not a part of their community. I think the easiest way to understand it, there's a saying that many activists have, snitches get stitches. I think a lot of people say that. And you're also not supposed to cross

the thin blue line or whatever that saying is. There are many instances where we have seen police officers commit crimes and then the other cops will lie to protect them. I know this firsthand because there was a guy in New York who was falsely accused of a crime. I happen to have been live streaming and filmed it. And the officer who grabbed the supervisor who grabbed the guy instructed a different cop to lie on her arrest documents about what he did. And she did it.

No problem. And she went to court and lied under oath. No problem. And then the defense said, here's the footage proving you lied. And they said, officer, you're free to go have a nice day case dismissed. And they asked, no one, no one seemed to care that these cops just did this. At the same time, Antifa will go around throwing explosives at people and left wing activists in Portland will lie and shield them to protect them. People in certain communities do not rat on their own. They never do. And they tell you not to do

it. During Occupy Wall Street, there were several women who were assaulted inside the Zuccotti Park camp. And they explicitly told everyone, don't tell the police it happened because then the cops will come in and we'll have to deal with them smearing us. So we'll take care of it ourselves. What happened? Those men who were abusing those women in the tents while holding them down and just really awful stuff got away with it because they didn't want to look bad. They didn't want their community to be harmed. They would not turn on people inside the camps.

So the issue I see here is that we want integration and we want shared cultures and experiences. But as you noted, the modern progressives are segregating and canceling everybody who do these kinds of things you know you're culturally appropriating if you you know try to mix in but i think that you know that's not a homogenous i don't know if like switzerland for example has a low crime rate because they're homogenous the the reason i have an issue with that argument is because i don't think it has anything to do with homogeny it has everything to do with what you pointed out really was classism so it's that they they're all in the same class, right? So they're economically all having all kinds of opportunity.

So in Sweden, had they given the opportunity to those groups and not and I don't even think you need to actually integrate them in to give them that opportunity. And the Vietnamese community, which is my community, is a good example of that. Vietnamese people. Well, well, in some ways, Vietnamese people have largely segregated themselves. They prefer to live together in one community, like little Saigon down in Orange County. They prefer it. They'll commute hours just to go back home and live in their community. So they actually sort of self-segregate. But because they had opportunity and the ability to go and start businesses and the ability to thrive, there's very little crime now.

But when I was a kid growing up, how many times did I see was I victim of home burglarizing, home invasion? My grandmother was a home invasion victim where they tied her up, beat her up for like four hours. That was going on in my community, in the Vietnamese community, when there was a lack of opportunity. Or I would say not lack of opportunity because the opportunity was there. It's just that they were still poor. I think I think you're right. And I'll amend my statement. I think there are issues where communities don't hold their own accountable. But I do think poverty poverty was the driving force. Yeah, looking at what's happening, what was happening in Sweden, it was specifically because the children of these migrants couldn't get work, Right. And so you had a poor community that was desperate and also kind of shunned.

And that bred, you know, that breeds crime. And then the community factor kind of plays a role in this as well. So how do you feel about universal basic income? You know, I don't know how I feel about it yet. So I was a big Andrew Yang fan, too. You know, I like him and stuff. So I don't want to say no to it, but I'm also not ready to buy into the idea yet. Do you think that it would help people break the class barrier? It's hard to say, right? Because or a landlord says, I know now you've gotten a thousand extra dollars a month. So now I'm going to raise the rent. I mean, so that's kind of my, especially in a society that we are in, which is capitalist society, right?

If the people know that you have the means and the ability to pay, they will raise the price. This is what the problem we actually, the fundamental problem we have with banks is that banks will say, well, like this is why student education, I think, has gone through the roof is because when the government said, especially, we'll do federally backed student loans, then the banks were like, well, then we'll go ahead and give you a bunch of loans. And then the institutions were like, well, wow, OK, then we'll go ahead and raise the price of tuition because we know you're going to get the loans. It's a guarantee. Right, it's guaranteed. Free money. Right, they were able to just continue raising and raising and raising. And so that's my one concern with the universal basic income is that it would create that

same sort of, well, you have federal guaranteed money. And so therefore, I know what I can do in response is raise prices. Yeah. Right. That's actually a good point a lot of people don't bring up. There's talk about inflation. If the average working person, if their labor is valued less or it's more expensive now because they already have used to be a pretty good, pretty big proponent of increasing it to a certain extent, slow rolled increase. And then I literally met an accountant for my business and I asked him and I talked to a couple of different accountants. They were all Democrats, you know, in the blue

areas in the Philly area. And I basically said the same thing yeah uh like 30 percent of my clients lost their business when the when the minimum wage went up because you might increase the wages for these people but that doesn't mean the business has the money to pay them and if they don't if they're operating on a skeleton crew staff already as a small business all of a sudden their liabilities jump 30 percent employment taxes and wages because it's all of the employees but their money in the bank stays the same. So all of a sudden overnight, they're insolvent. They're gone.

Right. So it didn't work. You know, there's and I have mixed feelings, too, about, you know, I so I'm naturally by default, you know, a leftist. So I automatically, OK, raise minimum wage. Fine. Sounds good. Everybody's on board.

But I think there's another way to do it that's actually more effective and would resolve that problem. And it would be to tie wages to the highest paid person in the organization. And Germany, what they do there is everyone can see what everybody makes in an organization. So at BMW, for example, everybody knows what everybody is making there. They know. Everybody knows where they're at. And they all know how they can get raises. And it's like you could have a janitor at BMW making more money than somebody who's at a different job.

But that's because the janitor's been there for 20 years. And it's a set system. And everybody knows. And it's all understood. And so then when you find out somebody's making a certain amount of money because it's extremely transparent, you don't have any questions of why. You know why they're making the money that they're making. But I think that there's a way to tie – and you know who else does that, who does transparent wages is Whole Foods.

I believe everybody at Whole Foods knows what everybody makes. And there's a couple of other companies that do it. But I think if you tie the wage to a percentage of whatever the top person is making. I'm going to have to shatter that beautiful dream of yours. Don't. Why? Why? That's what he does.

So profit. Passive income. It's amazing. You could do something very clever. You could be the CEO of a multimillion dollar company with a million dollar salary and then announce to the world that, you know what? Wealth inequality in this country is wrong. I am lowering my salary to, what did Harvard say? Harvard said you need like $77,000 or whatever to be happy. $80,000. And then I'm going to use that money to give everybody a raise.

And then you give your employees a raise and everyone's like, look at this guy who's a bastion of good. Left libertarianism was really helping. And then you look at your bottom line and you're like, okay, so I took off about $920,000 of my salary, which was taxed at the employment rate, which is 7.5

on my end and 7.5 on the business end. Now that it's passive income, I save 7.5% and make way more money. Congratulations. You found a way to make 70 plus grand while pretending to lower your wage. If you own the company. It could also be tied to the revenue of the company. So you could tie it all

together. So there could be a system where it's like, okay, you know, like in Japan and in Germany, for example, it's really immoral for CEOs to get paid a certain amount of money. It's a, it's a cultural enforcement, a social enforcement. Right, that one. Well, yeah. So here's the, here's the, here's the issue with tying it to revenue.

One of the, one of the difficult things too about running a business is when you have to, it's, it's a really, really weird thing at the end of the year when, depending on what kind of business you have, you have to pay taxes on the money, but but you need that money to operate and so it's kind of frustrating where it's like you might have a good month and you're like this is wonderful i have enough that's like a safety net to make sure my company can function and now i have to give a chunk of that to the government but it's like all that happened was a day passed you know so if if if one of the hardest things is when if you try tying revenue to the highest paid person, what happens if you bring in a good amount of revenue and you want to expand and invest and grow the company and hire more people? Well, you can't now because you made too much.

You got to pay everyone a lot more money. Could you then defer it by saying, wait, I'm not going to pay them more money because I'm actually going to hire 10 more people and create 10 more jobs, which lowers our – well, it doesn't lower your revenue. It lowers your – it increases your expenses and lowers your profits. So do you have it be tied to the profit? Well, then someone can just – I'm giving myself a bonus. I'm going to be giving myself a CD as an executive bonus, which is not income that can be taken today. There's a million and one ways to get around this stuff. I actually don't think you can get around it with the passive income thing, now that I'm thinking more about it.

If they would make a rule that the owner could not. So you couldn't be the owner. So it would be the highest. The highest paid employee versus the lowest paid employee. Right. So the owner is not. And they already do this with the corporations as it is. There's so many – and I know all this sounds really complicated, but as it is, come on, our taxes are so complicated.

We could just make some extra complications to this. It's not that big of a deal. But I think that they could say exempt from owner. There's like – just like right now with pass-through corporations, they've got certain things where they say, okay, but if you're an owner, then you don't get this tax break. But if you are, you know. That might work. The highest paid employee versus the lowest paid employee and shareholders are exempt. Owners, yeah.

So then basically. Yeah, shareholders. Yeah. If you have somebody who's like an executive, you know, executive vice president or something, and they're like, I'll only do this job for a million dollars a year and then you're like okay well that means we got to pay the lowest paid employee you know like 50 000 a year right and that's actually really good for the business owner because you can then say sorry i can't give you a million dollars because then i'd have to pay the the mailroom guy 50k a year and we can't afford that we've got a thousand low-level

employees that would have to go up substantially if we gave you that much money so it actually is a great bargaining chip for the uh for the business owners to essentially be like we can keep down i think that actually could theoretically result in a dramatic split between the wealth of the classes because the owners would then have in effect a legal uh coordination to stop paying people more money. Well, and also it would, well, for one, it would prevent. I think that's a bad thing, by the way. Yeah, I know how you phrase it. But it would encourage growth and new employees.

Like you'd rather have more employees than paying singular employees. What I mean is, think about it this way. There are a lot of people who are not business owners who get paid lots and lots of money. Well, if the owner says, listen, if I give you that high salary, then it's actually going to increase the total company's costs. We can't do it. We can't do it. Sorry.

No, you can do it if you really value that person you want to hire. So if you say, listen, this is the best CEO I could get to run my corporation. And now my business is at that level where I need that guy

to come in and run this thing. But he's demanding $50 million to be the CEO of my corporation, then I think it's worth the investment. You know, then you calculate this in and you say, we're bringing it in because we're successful. We're able to bring in this guy who's successful. He's only going to make us more successful. I see what you're saying.

I'd imagine if somebody was paying a CEO $50 million, we're talking about an Amazon tier company where Bezos actually only gets $83,000 a 83,000 a year because he's a billionaire from stock. But if someone brought on a CEO at 50 million, we're talking like probably 50k employees or something or a decent amount of them probably at the lowest level. So that would mean that you're going to say $50 million a year plus all of these costs, let's say 25,000 people, and we're going to increase per employee $, you know, per employee ten thousand dollars. Now, is it really feasible to pay all that money? You know, that's why you'd have to really decide if that person was really, truly worth it. And you'd have to it couldn't just be your buddy.

You're trying to give a good job to it would have to be that person is actually going to bring value to your company. You believe they're going to bring value to your company. And so you think they're worth worth that entire investment. Otherwise, you tone it down a bit on who you can hire. $25,000 times $10,000. What is that? $250 million? Is that – am I doing my math wrong? I don't know.

But I mean we wouldn't necessarily say – I'm supposed to be good at math. I should be a wizard. But we wouldn't necessarily say that that's the amount of money, right? Right, right, right. I mean so you'd set it in a way that it makes sense, and some smartants would sit down and actually maybe maybe it just gives every you know hourly employee another 50 cents i think it's 2.5 or maybe it ends up giving them all 25 bucks an hour what was the numbers 25 bucks an hour yeah maybe like who knows what it does right but if we said this is the way we're

going to do it from now on and the highest paid employee cannot make all of the money at the company i certainly think we have we have a wealth inequality problem. And I talk about it every so often. The issue is you end up with the George Soros's and the Bezos's and the Mercer's and just really, really wealthy people. 250 million. 250 million. You end up with extremely wealthy people who have all of the power.

And then we're supposed to be a government of buy-in for the people. But let's be real, man. A regular citizen's vote is near meaningless, and we all know it. And I don't mean to discourage people. I mean, your votes are very important. You make sure you go out and vote. What I mean is, relative to the power of a billionaire who can fund, you know, just dump money in the pockets via Super PAC or by just, you know, direct donation to every single

candidate they want. And, you know, we know that the studies have shown that the public opinion has no impact on policy. It is the donor class, the wealthy individuals who control everything. We should not be a country that does that. And I think it's one of the reasons you end up with a Bernie Sanders on the left and a Trump on the right. So I certainly think we need to figure this out. And one of the reasons I've talked about why I support very, very high tax brackets for the ultra wealthy. Let me explain, though, because there's

some caveats here. The general idea is if you make $100,000 a year, you're pretty good, man, you're doing all right. I mean, COVID has really messed everything up. So it's probably need more than that at this point. But if you're spending, you know, 37% of that in taxes, how much money do you have left over to live? Not enough to live a middle-class life, according to that Harvard business study. So you'd have to make maybe like 150K to clear 80K spending so you can have vacation, a family, and food. But what if you make a million dollars a year? Now your tax bracket's higher, but you still have hundreds of thousands of dollars left over after your base expenses.

Eventually, people using this money can invest, can grow more, and power attracts power. And it's a snowball rolling down a hill where they gain more and more and more wealth. Then at a certain point, you have people who really, what I call it breaking the barrier, reach that point of independent wealth where they no longer have to work. They have so much money. And I don't mean like you can live off the money and retire. I mean, quite literally, they can put it in the bank and generate so much interest. They just don't have to work. That is a problem because then that massive amount of wealth and power means they can just control whatever they want. They can shut down the opinions of a good working class American, some, you know, middle class family in the middle of the country, a mom and a dad who are working to make ends meet. And they see something on the news and they say,

I think I should be allowed to defend my family for burglar comes and I want the right to bear arms. And then some random dude worth worth, you know, a couple billion dollars just laughs and says, too bad. I as a single individual am going to pour so much money into all of the candidates who want to ban guns that your opinion is meaningless. And I'm like, why should that one person supersede those two people simply based on how much money into all of the candidates who want to ban guns that your opinion is meaningless. And I'm like, why should that one person supersede those two people simply based on how much money he has? There are certain issues about free speech and your right to buy commercials and stuff. I like the idea of a progressive tax because the more power you have, the more power you can gain, and a progressive tax slowly starts to chip away at how much you're really gaining. There's a limit, though, to figure that limit out. So I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it's 90%, like some people have suggested.

Maybe 55, 60% for the highest income earners. I'm talking like over 5 million a year. The main issue as to why milquetoast fence-sitter here, I don't think it can be implemented, is it makes no sense to just give that money to the government to go blow up kids in Syria. So we want to curtail the ultra elites from shutting down our rights and shutting down our free speech.

Zuckerberg dumped, what, 300 million into the election. Meanwhile, he's censoring our speech on Facebook and Twitter. I don't like these billionaires having all of that power, but I don't think giving it to the government solves the problem. Right. I mean, libertarians will tell you why even have taxes. We need to just get rid of taxes. Well, a few good reasons for taxes, taxes i think are to protect our roads and our other roads we got to protect the road transportation what's happening here you guys are supposed to be far right what's going on no you need to you need to protect people from

mercenaries so standing army is important taxes help fund the standing army yeah i'm a big fan of i really like this idea of voucher programs and choice in in public services like schools maybe even police departments so uh we have public school but everybody pays taxes the rich will pay obviously more simply by virtue of having more money so like 10 from someone making 10 grand is only a thousand but 10 from someone making 100 is 10 000 so that means the poor the rich people pay more But everybody gets back one voucher. Then they choose the school they want to go to, and they use the voucher as an equalized currency

for specific services. But they all get the same voucher. Exactly. Okay. Which means people from poor neighborhoods will all of a sudden have access to the better schools. Right. And create an incentive for schools to improve and do better.

Oh. But then wouldn't that create a system where schools in the better neighborhoods would have to have admission policies and then they would get to reject certain students and then you're going to get a lot of racist claims? Maybe. Yeah.

Maybe. I don't think, you know, I'm fairly lukewarm on a lot of the ideas because it might be really utopian to be able to be like, school choice is the solution. It's like, you got to do a lot of testing. Maybe there's some pilot programs we can do and try and figure these things out.

Maybe there's good evidence to suggest we should at least go for it in certain areas, see what happens. I think everybody needs to realize no matter what action we take, there will be fallout. We can change Bernie Sanders, universal health care. I love the idea. I really do. I just don't know how you do it because what, 20% of our economy is based on the medical infrastructure? That includes insurance companies, administrative.

That would be wiped out if we switched the system. Plus, he's in favor of banning private insurance, which is just not a good idea at all. No one does that. Like, all the universal health care around the world, they don't do this. I don't know why there are Americans who want to do that. That makes no sense. So it sounds great, this idea that we can give this service to someone, but there's so much in between that,

like, if we just right now flipped, snapped our fingers and said, okay, it's all universal healthcare, then I think there's like 4 million jobs that get wiped out overnight. And even Bernie has talked about this. So how do you do it? I'd love to.

Don't know if you can. But I think those jobs would be recreated. And I think it's not like coal miners to learn to code. Am I allowed to even, you know? Yeah. So I think it's a different system from, you know, I think that the jobs are equivalent in a lot of ways or similar so that people would then move from the private insurance companies and then they would switch over to working those many jobs that would be created by that system. It would be a similar job. So the issue I have there is just telling Clarence, who's been working this job for private tech health for 20 years, you're fired.

Don't worry. At some point, a new job will emerge and then you'll figure it out. In the meantime, good luck. Bernie said it would be two years of pay for them because they believe it would take two years to get them retrained and moved into those new jobs. I think that ignores the human experience. I think people like their jobs. Not everybody. But they would have the same job.

It would just be— Supposedly not insurance. Most people don't like insurance. No, I mean if it's a two-year transition period where all of a a sudden their job is gone well they would go to school they would be training with the new company a lot of it right i think you know uh joe biden said when we shut down keystone don't worry there'll be new green jobs right yeah that didn't happen that's different though because those jobs are very different so i think well no i mean well to an extent yeah absolutely i think in the private health care industry there's an overlap, but I still think they're

going to be different jobs. You're not going to do the same kind of paperwork for the government you would do for a private corporation. And then we're also telling, you know, 4 million people or whatever that, sorry, your jobs are gone. You could tell them like in advance, like, hey, hey, Clarence, you, if you're working private insurance, your job is going to be gone within the next 10 years. So it's up to you.

I can't make you drink, but I'm leading you to the water. I think ultimately, though, we should go back and say I think Bernie's plan of abolishing private health care is nuts. We should absolutely have, if we do a universal system, private as well. And that's what every single other country has. So the way I envision it is there's like a base level care you get the flu you break a bone certain ailments that doctors can save you ready and available and then you need private supplemental for the more much more difficult to treat ailments that are too expensive and might overwhelm chronic health care that'd be cool private health care for

chronic health care things like that but acute could be all like government controlled exactly so like if you break your arm you go to the doctor they patch you up have a nice day um i know a lot of them on the left don't like this idea because it means if you get a extremely rare type of cancer yeah like what if you or just cancer private health insurance what about doing it the way england does it how do they handle it so they everybody gets private i mean everybody gets public insurance like a medicare for all system but then if you want extra luxuries, like you want a private room at the hospital you don't want to share, right? You want four days of maternity rather than two, getting kicked out of the hospital after having a baby, things like that. And I think they even have a system where there are some fully private hospitals and doctors.

Then maybe the private hospitals is the right way to go. It still creates a challenge, though, because you'll end up with still extreme envy and demands. Don't you think it would be similar to just school? So right now you've got public school. All of us can put our kids into public school. But we also have the option to enrolling them in a fully private school that we have to pay for. No, because the cost of treating chronic health care can get, think a lot of it's diet related we have 60 obesity in the united states i think and that's by people by their choice to continue to eat crap so i don't want to fund or saddle people with debt of lazy ignorant people that want to live in ignorance

and poison themselves with food i think it's a little hard addiction it's a little hard food addiction is one of the most dangerous addictions i think i think you had the sugar industry lie and manipulated people who didn't understand and are still doing it and so to call them lazy i think i think there's a lot of people are have been used they've been i mean right it's like a meth addiction it is remember we had ethan suplee on the show and he said he was trying everything and it was really just like his entire life trying to figure out how to get it get it right i don't want to spend money treating the symptoms of the problem if we're not going to treat the problem. We have to fix the problem.

Now, that I'm into. Right, but if you had a doctor. But if we had a universal health care system and everybody had a doctor. And you know this doctor is going to service however many people that they've got. And that doctor is now encouraged because of that system to tell everybody to start eating right. And that doctor says take vitamin D and eat right. What if every morning at 8 a.m., every American was forced to wake up and turn their TV on where a giant face told them to do squats now?

No, that sounds too much like 1984. Yeah, exactly like that. I like the way the fire department's built. They don't get paid per fire. Like, they don't have an incentive to go put out fires. Or I would see firemen starting their own fires to get paid more. The doctors get paid a lot of money for selling things and giving the antibiotics

companies want to force the, hey, we'll pay you to sell our products. Certain drugs. If we could remove that stuff from the industry and they were actually, we don't want patients. We want you to be healthy. If that was their ethos, then I could see a chronic healthcare system. Right, but the only way that could be incentivized is through the government. Vouchers.

Oh, I don't know about that. You can just I think we can enlighten people as private citizens, too. But they're not going to make money unless the government gets involved and says, we incentivize you to have a healthy population of people. And that the healthier they are, we give you bonuses. What if there was some similar type of voucher system? I don't know how that would work with hospitals. But the general idea is everybody gets equal access to certain services, but there's still a kind of market exchange.

So this might be interesting to you. Oh, sorry. Let me push the right button here. But I actually worked for a hospital. Not the right button. Oh, my gosh. There we go. That's not the right button either.

The button's in your mind. I'm going to push all the buttons. There we go. I've never done that before. I was going to say I used to work at a hospital, literally in a hospital. And one of the things they did was they would incentivize you to eat right and to weigh the right amount and to have the right cholesterol level. And they would give you a reduction in your health insurance costs. They covered everything.

But if you were high, they would help you figure out how to fix it. They would help you eat right. And they would help you figure out if you actually needed medicine. And that was very useful for the people who work there as a big company. I think we should start our own country. What do you guys think? I think we're solving all the world's problems right here. We do like a good one. We can tweak. Do you like Ron Paul? I do like Ron Paul. Ron Paul has this quote where he said something like, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting a socialist community or city or town. It's just that socialists want to take from you.

And to step back a little bit, I saw that and I'm like, I understand he's going to talk about the socialists and say they're trying to take your stuff. Okay, fine. But there's a good point in that we could literally just buy, you know, 100 acres and then be like, okay, communism, here we go. We could build a floating island. So it is an interesting point from Ron Paul that they do just want to keep saying, we get your stuff. But like, how about you go and make your own commune? And there are people who did. It's about 100 people.

It is a farm community. And you apply to join. And if they approve you, you work. And you bask in all of the glory and everyone's friends. And then people rotate in and out. And it works. They started their own system, which is very – it's communism. And it works because it's a small group of people who have built their own and it's democratic. Right. And they're within the confines of a well protected

country. So I often say that I'm not personally a right libertarian, but I would prefer if we had to create a government out of anything, it would be more right libertarian because it means I can start my left libertarian society on my own and be left alone because no one's going to mess with me. Well, because it would be democratic. Yeah. Right. Whereas you would also be able to start a community that was purely something opposite of that. I saw these Bitcoin millionaires or billionaires maybe building new cities. Have you seen these articles?

No. Yeah. Super high tech. Yeah, the high tech. There's one that's coming, right, in Nevada. Okay. It's already, the plans, I'm pretty sure it's in Nevada.

I'm pretty sure. It's going to be, that could be a possibility to like integrate machine learning and artificial intelligence and kind of fix a lot of the shipping. These Bitcoin millionaires have done really wacky stuff.

You see that there was one Bitcoin millionaire who tried manipulating the magic of the gathering market? No. So his idea was that if he offered enough money, he could get someone to make a deck. It's a game for those aren't familiar. He could get a professional player to play in a certain way that was completely unheard of because he was like, I'll just pay you to do it.

And then he thought that by having that professional play in this tournament using a weird system, it would encourage younger, newer players to do the same thing, which would totally just throw the game into whack. And he dumped like 40 grand into it just because he could. Yeah. The human mind. People who got rich overnight and are just like, I don't know, whatever. Here's 40 grand. I'm a Bitcoin millionaire. We need to get those people together and give them some purpose because there's a lot of Bitcoin money out there right now.

They need Elon Musk to like sit down and give them a pep talk. A lot of them are smart people who got rich. Some of these, I've met a couple of Bitcoin millionaires and some of them are dumb as a box of rocks. So there was like a really funny meme in the early days of Bitcoin, which Bitcoin's at like $58,000 right now, by the way. And it was like when Bitcoin was very new and it was going up in value but only worth a little bit there's a meme where someone's like okay this bitcoin thing's interesting what

can i do with it and then uh i don't know it was someone saying like i bought a couple bitcoin because i was interested it went up and now i have 20 bucks and then there was this really crazy punk rock anarchist looking guy who said that he was like i'm a billionaire because i knew i could buy drugs on the internet with it so i bought a bunch and it was pointing out how like early on a lot of people who are buying bitcoin were not like investors or like people running businesses it was the people who were like oh i could use this silk road dark web exactly and so i know some people who got rich and they're not smart they don't get it all they knew was like the government it's not government but it's money and they're like sign me up they have no idea how it works i think it didn't get taxed

until 2019 is the first year they started taxing it that is crazy people made billions of untaxed billions individuals billions um i earlier you said about the the health care system i don't like that it uh to think of it as a a for-profit. I would like a government system that's not for profit. Right. Kind of like the fire department. It's not a for-profit system as far as I know. But the question is how do you get – you'd have to get the current incentives out like you mentioned, right? And then the doctors are going to be like, yeah, but now I've got all this student loan debt and I've got to be able to pay this back.

That's another big problem. That's another piece of the puzzle. Lydia and I talked about this a while ago when we had a fire out back in Philly. It's the puzzle. Lydia and I talked about this a while ago when we had a fire out back in Philly. It's the debt. I don't think doctors need to go to school for 12 years to be able to show that they know how to do the job. If you can learn the information and take the test and show I can do this, then you can do it.

So the system that is destroying people with debt, unnecessary, I think at this point. The knowledge is on YouTube for the most part. The knowledge is on the internet and can be learned very quickly. Or at least just a medical school that's inexpensive. We don't even have those. We have very few medical schools. We need more medical schools. And the ones that we have are expensive. So we have to ask ourselves why school costs so much. I'm going to push the right button this time. And it is because the government subsidizes it i firmly believe that if the government didn't give so much money to schools because you're right you will they will charge what the market will bear and if the market bears this kind of government subsidy i don't know i mean schools are underfunded not in many areas

like the school that i went to in chicago it's like no not but yeah but college oh colleges colleges for profit right Right, right. Definitely, definitely. Yeah. It's a racket. Yeah, it's a racket. If you could do like a two-year medical program

and then take a bunch of tests and show like in person, like yes, I can do the surgery on the thing. I know all the parts. Make them a doctor. But let's get to the important part here. What do you need college for?

You want to be a doctor? Good point. Yes. Okay, okay. STEM. Sure. Yeah. Well, if you can do it, you don't really need to go to a doctor. You want to be a doctor? You want to be a doctor? Good point. Yes. STEM. Sure. Yeah. Well, if you can do it, you don't really need to go to college. You want to be a doctor?

You want to be a lawyer? Congratulations. Or you want to work in academia? Like, okay, if you want to be a scientist or a researcher, you do that at universities with grants, but you don't even really have to. You can do private research. Same with lawyers. What do you need college for? You don't anymore. What do you need high school for?

Socialization. You don't necessarily need college in the institution that you're thinking of college, but you do need higher education. So you would need education somehow. If you're going to be an engineer, you need to learn how to be an engineer. But you can do that on your own. I mean, how

many people are disciplined enough to really learn? How do you know that they're getting quality education information? But you think you need a teacher is this it goes back to apprenticeship i think you need a teacher well a good teacher or a good mentor can really really rocket fuel your right are you familiar with hacker spaces yeah but what i'm all i'm saying is that what you're so you don't like the institution of university. Fine. But you still have to have higher education somehow. Sure. But I mean, we have the Internet.

Yeah. But, you know, you've got to filter the quality of the information the person's going to get. Right. I guess through taking the test. But then you're going to get a bunch of like Trump universities. Things that are require certification and tests like being a doctor. You have to have college. There's got to be some regulation to that because you're literally working on people.

As for engineering... You're building buildings and bridges and roads. You have to have... There's got to be some regulation on that too. Yeah, but it's... The filter there is government regulation and the corporations that are doing that work. So if someone hired...

Like when I hire like a carpenter to build something, I have no idea what their qualifications are. I don't ask for their degree. But you know, part of education, I gotta be honest, like a lot of the stuff I get built doesn't come from somebody with a degree. Right. Yeah. But part of the education experience is the peer groups and learning from those peer groups and being able to bounce things off of and the competition within those peer groups. And those exist outside of universities. They don't exist as well, I don't think. And I think the competition.

You're right. I think they're better. You're kind of paying for a mentorship. And they call it teachers now. And they stick 30 of you in a room. Back in the day, it was you and the mentor. And the mentor would give you, this is how you do it. Show me.

But that was also how many people back then. You're doing good. I'll tell you. 8 billion people. So we're trying to. I had a friend who was going to college for music business. Right. And I asked her, like, so you've been in college for three years.

What do you do? She's like, well, I'm in school. And I was like, I don't know. But you're taking music business, right? So do you, like, organize stuff? Have you, like, worked with, like, record labels? No, I'm in school. And I was like, okay, I'm a high school dropout.

And I've already organized some massive shows that brought in tens in tens of thousands of people how do i have more experience in music business than you do and you've been going for three years and dumping 30 something thousand dollars a year into this right some some jobs don't require it right like even the industry i got into radio when i graduated from college i went into terrestrial radio did fm radio for years right i didn't need a college degree to do FM radio. But the way I even got into FM radio was through college radio. Did you do college radio? Right.

I did college radio. Right. And then I did an internship at a terrestrial radio station through college. And that's how I got into the industry. From that point, no one has ever asked me about my college degree since I've had my career. But at least it got me in there. But I also think that for other fields in particular, is that the competition inside of the universities when you are competing, like my last university where we were graded on a curve. So you're graded against, you know, you can't get an A unless you are the best student in that class. It's not about you just passed the test and got the information right.

You got to show some level of like genius. How does a curve work exactly? Well, I wanted to bring up a point. So there's somebody I knew a long time ago, and they had gotten a job with a web dev firm. They were like 19 at the time. And I was really surprised. I was like, wow, you got hired at this web development company. You're only like 19. And I was really surprised. I was like, wow, you got hired at this web development company. You're only like 19.

And he was like, yeah. And he said, what happened was fairly easy to understand. All of the college grads who went to the company said, I have student loans to pay back. I absolutely have to make, you know, this salary 35 a year or whatever.

And then the company said, we don't have 35 a year. Like we don't make that much money. We have like, we're all making, you know, table scraps. And along comes this 19 year old who was a high school dropout who has a portfolio of all this web development. And they're like, this is a great portfolio.

And what look, you know, coding languages, do you know? And he like gave us like, here's my resume. How much do you want? And he's like, how much can you offer? And they were like 27. And mind you, this is 15 years ago. And he was like, wow, not 27. That's amazing.

And they're like, you're hired. And he said, his boss told him explicitly, like, we would have loved to have hired any hired any of these college grads, but we just needed someone who knew how to do it. And the problem was their salary demands were too high because of their student loan debt. Right. So that's what I think we have to correct. I don't think it has to be like, oh, we have to just get rid of college, because then I think we run the risk of reeling ourselves into a third world country with uneducated

people. You know, I think colleges are uneducating people. Well, in some ways. I mean, I understand that. I had similar for you. I was a theater major. And a lot of my college experience was doing plays. So I would even get credit for doing a play.

I'd get three credit hours. And that was like on the ground training. So I came out of college being a professional, semi-professional. A lot of people, like your friend that you were mentioning earlier, apparently't do i don't i think it's a scam depends on the college depends on the program i think but here's the thing so my dad was one of the earliest coders of coders okay so back in the 80s before anybody was doing any of that stuff my dad was like getting a math they didn't even have computer science as a degree they didn't have boot camps for coding or anything like that nobody was thinking this was going to be a thing.

And he went to college for coding for computer science and then was, um, you know, worked for the power company doing all of their stuff. And that was in order for those early guys to get that information, they had to go to college in order to get it. Before the internet, my grandpa, the internet,

my grandpa created his own operating system for his tax business. I need to go to school for it. Yeah. But still like in order to get it before the internet my grandpa created his own operating system for his tax business and he didn't go to school for it yeah but still like in order to get like for example boeing runs on the same now um operating the uh the code that my dad knew it's a it's like they're trying to recruit dinosaurs out of retirement to come out like they're like oh crap you know we don't have uh anybody to. Young kids know this code. It's only the older guys that know it. We need these guys to come out of retirement. But all of those guys learn that same language. I mean, you could maybe create your own. And I know even when my dad was doing it, he created his own things here and there. But to create something that is cohesive across large

corporations or large companies that could be utilized together, integrated, everybody needed to have that same knowledge. And even now, they're struggling because they can't find people with that knowledge. I'm proficient in the Adobe Suite. I didn't go to school for it. And it's cross-company and cross-computer and cross-program, you know. We used a bunch of different- But somebody created Adobe Suite.

And my guess is they went to college. It was technically, it was a bunch of different people who were creating a bunch of different programs that eventually got bought out by the adobe corporation i guess yeah you know but there's there's also open source versions where communities just develop things by sharing free and open information and uh apache that's a good company does a lot of video editing and stuff uh ubuntu for operating systems i'm thinking about like science and a lot of science you need. Maybe you don't need, but uniform,

like you were talking about uniformity of information so that they can learn the language of science, like all the equations that have led to the next equation up to the equations of all. So they memorize this language, basically a language. You don't necessarily need a college, but having an organized place where people can all go

to learn it all all all the same thing so they can communicate but i still online hacker spaces no physical but you need people from all around the world to be able to i mean it could be physical too i think we need to bring people back to like apprenticeships and like hanging out having community and learning yeah i mean i do think we need to change the way higher education is implemented and how it's viewed, you know, change the idea that, oh, it has to be through university, but I still think we need higher education. The age of automation on the way, the COVID lockdown causing all this unemployment, maybe it's the time for people to become mentors and to offer what they know to the younger

generation. Yeah. But see, and also, hey, look, the pandemic was a great, this is sort of my point. I don't think people learn as well unless they're with the group and they've got the competition. They've got the collaboration. They have people to talk to. They have peers groups. And now what we've seen online is people are not able to do it as well. But there's nothing saying universities need to be that. No, it could be.

Well, I'll go this way. But I don't think you could just get rid. I mean, you're wanting to get rid of universities like some people want to get rid of private health insurance. I think that universities have become predatory systems that exploit young people. They send these 18-year-olds into a system with no idea what their major should be. I think around half of people change their major. And then they get set with massive debt they can never pay off, which is a permanent indentured servitude, which has nothing to benefit them. But that's the system.

That's the issue right there. So the business of the university. Higher education. The business of nothing to benefit them. But that's the system. That's the issue. So the business of higher education. The business. I feel like that about the church. The business of the church bothers me. The church doesn't bother me. Right. The university system at this point, in my opinion, is completely corrupt and broken

and it can't be salvaged. Well, that's how Bernie Sanders feels about private health insurance. And how I feel about the church. But I'm not saying abolish. I'm not saying abolish the idea of higher education. We can have universities. We just have to kind of purge and refresh them. And then all four, like everyone shows up to a university and you hang out and you have fun and you build things and you explore things.

You're just trying to take away the fun. Beer pong, you know. Hackerspaces are pretty fun. No, I want way more. We could build a hackerspace. That'd be a bunch of 3D printers, lasers. I was a member of hackerspace and I built a remote control can of green tea. We just got a hackerspace. We actually should. I was a member of Hackerspace and I built a remote control can of green tea.

We just got a couple lasers. I know, I got my face burned into it. You may be wondering how in fact did you create a remote control can of green tea? Did you put wheels on it? What I did was I took a piece of plastic with a couple motors on it. I took the bottom of an Arizona

can and I put it slightly off-axis on one of the motors and then taped it on. And then on the back, I put a motor going perpendicular to create gyroscopic stabilization. What would happen is the off-axis Arizona can in the front, when it spun, would create a vibration. The vibrations would reduce the friction between the can and the table to near create a vibration the vibrations would reduce the friction

between the can and the table to near zero and so it would cause the can to float you've seen these things they have a little football game where the vibration makes them move around you control it by spinning the reverse gyroscopic stabilizer which causes it to go straight and when you release it it spins in circles i just built that randomly we had never worked with electronics will help you get your patents filed. We take 5% of the patent for two years and then release the patent back to you. I'd rather credit Hackerspace where we just make everything free and open source. We need to help people patent their stuff, though.

I think you have to have more self-awareness on this issue, Tim. Are you calling me an ace of spades? I think that for you, things are different because you're obviously highly intelligent and that and so that is an unfair advantage you know you're you're talking about these crazy things you're creating and stuff and privilege right well it's a privilege of intelligence that others don't have and you have the privilege of maybe certain sort of self you know the ability to just get something done because you put your mind to it or something. And others need the encouragement from others.

And they need... Would you... Sorry, I don't know if you're... Yeah, here I was, like, you know, giving you compliments about being a genius and you're trying to stop me. You know, so I think that that is what you have to... Not everybody can learn in the same environment. That's your criticism of university.

So that's also my defense of university. If you could go back in time and not take out the student loans, would you do it? If I could do what? Go back in time and not take out student loans, would you do it? And not take, so if I didn't get this, yeah, I would. I feel like I would. So when I'm telling young people, don't go to school, what I'm really saying is, I often say this, if your parents are paying for it, if you're rich, by all means, do what you want. It's the student loan system that's created.

It is a predatory indentured servitude factory. I would say I would, I would take them out again. I couldn't have gone to school without them. What would you go to school for? Theater, acting. But yeah, I got a hot girlfriend. It was amazing. I was popular for the first time in my life. And that's a degree that people would say, that's a sham. Don't even do it. And I got a – It built my confidence like crazy. Right, exactly.

And I did music and philosophy. Also kind of useless when you get out. Oh, kind of music. Jazz. I'm a jazz drummer. Oh. We'll jam later. That's right.

We should definitely go to Super Chats though because we pushed it a little bit. Yeah. So we'll take the audience questions. If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe, and go to TimCast.com because we're going to have a very special exclusive. I think we're going to do the Ace of Spades, the secrets of the universe. I guess you're going to reveal to the world where my intelligence comes from or something. You were praising me just a moment ago. Oh, now you want more.

Carry on. I'm kidding. But I think it's really, really fascinating. The spades. You're a spade. What are those? Ace of spades. I'm a six of spades,'s really, really fascinating. The spades. You're a spade. What are those? Ace of spades. You're the ace of spades.

I'm a six of spades, by the way. Right, you're the six of spades. I'm an eight of clubs. So you're saying Ian's not smart. Spiritually. Spiritually, I'm very smart. We'll save it. Timcast.com, become a member.

That'll be up later, but we're going to read your super chats right now. All right, let's see. What do we got here? Rocky Tao says, I know someone in the Minneapolis PD who told me that the Chaz here has been around since the riot days, but more of a simple no-go zone for police. It's only getting media coverage now since we're nearing the Chauvin trial. Chauvin trial? Is that how you say it? Chauvin?

Chauvin, I think is the pronunciation. Or Chauvin. Chauvin? Chauvin. Morgan Burns says, the fur boss sounds like a true cat pitilist. Ha ha! Morgan Burns says, the fur boss sounds like a true cat pitilist. He's the top of the org chart, so he's got to do what he says, and he often says, true. Track Media

only says, no, you were children that never grew up. It has never been we all have that. It was about we all have the equal opportunity for that. Grow up children, too many spoiled and have never been poor. I think one of the big problems uh that we have these days is that there's a lot of young people who don't understand hardship they were born into like the peak epitome of wealth in this country

and now that things are kind of not going so well because we're in a golden age they're like why is my life not perfect i don't know i think the opposite a little bit actually because a lot of these kids grew up after the 2008 crash and suddenly their parents lost their homes and they were told they couldn't have things. I guess I mean, like Ford, you know, that or the other. Yeah, I think. Well, I guess what I mean is I think I agree with you. That's our the older generation had everything. And it was it was this, you know, peak and they were born at a time like when people were doing well and things started to get worse. 2008 was a smack to the bottom.

And then all of a sudden millennials entering the job market were like, what? Yeah, no job market. It's not my fault this happened. And they blame them. They get angry. I had first world hardship. Like my parents had middle class, but they were like, get a job when you were 12. I got a job when I was 12.

I had a job when I was 10. What I didn't learn was how to run a business. And that really messed me up. If I had learned that, like you were working in a business that your parents owned. That's awesome. I was just going to say that's how I learned is I watched my family have businesses. And I think that generational knowledge, we hear this talked about a lot on the left. And there is something to that, which is not just generational wealth, but the generational wealth is actually generational knowledge.

Yeah. What you learn from watching your parents when they start a business, the heart, you know, I watched my dad have to, you know, we went through a lot of hardship in order to have him build that business. And we had to make a lot of sacrifices. And I watched it happen in order for it to grow. And I think that knowledge is really important. But you don't get that except through that kind of apprenticeship sort of thing.

Let's read this one. We have a lot of super chats, guys. So I really appreciate it. But I don't know if except through that kind of apprenticeship sort of thing. Let's read this one. We have a lot of Super Chats, guys, so I really appreciate it, but I don't know if we can read as many as we normally do. We'll try. Gizmo says, when I went to college,

we discussed the financial part before I got classes. Did you not know what you were doing? Why should I pay your debt? You shouldn't. I do not believe in this write a $50,000 check at all.

I think that's ridiculous. I do think it's insane that there are people who took out like $50,000 in loans and now owe $200,000. Right. Like what? Like that's not fair. You shouldn't owe that much money. I understand there's interest. And some people say, well, you should have read the contract. And I'm like, dude, an 18 year old who has some 40 year old predatory loan officer or whatever, be like, trust me, kid, I'm here looking out for you. The school's got your back. You're supposed to do it. I'm not blaming the kid for being

ripped off by a con artist. But I think the banks should have to pay it. Yeah. I just heard that. Can we make Bill Gates pay it? I just heard that our Fannie Mae Freddie Mac bailout from 2008 is actually $14 trillion over 20 years. Wow. Yeah.

So why don't they pay it? That's incredible. We're still paying it. We've only paid like $4 trillion of the $16 trillion that we owe these banks from the 2008 bailout. I'd have to confirm that, but I just just read that today it was jaw-dropping scott blah says student debt is your own fault and i have more student debt that debt than you and i'm younger than you there are arguments for toppling the state your financial choices aren't one of them phony anarchists have no justification but did you understand what compound interest was did you

do the calculations did they teach you the calculations of how to calculate compound interest i didn't i just then was it really your responsibility because you could argue it was predatory i think it's absolutely predatory and i think it's it's it's absurd to think we're going to take some kid tell them they have to do this because that's what they've been they were screaming in my ears you have to go to college you have no choice and i was like nah i'm doing it but they were like here's all the loan money i'm like i'm not gonna pay that back are you But they were like, here's all the loan money I've taken out. And I'm like, I'm not going to pay that back. Are you nuts? Don't worry. We're going to give you the money. I was like, wait, wait, you're going to give me money. And I got to give you more money. You know, my favorite thing ever was, I was like

16. I read an article from, I was a Clinton era economist. And he said, if you go to any investor and tell them, I will give you a, you know, you're going to invest $40,000 into a four-year investment. And after four years, you will owe $40,000 plus interest. They'll laugh in your face. That's the stupidest investment I've ever heard. And now they try and add, oh, but it's, you know, it's the experience in the school. And it's like, no, no, no, no. If you had $40,000 and you, you know, what he basically said was, they did this chart

where he said, if you are 18 and you go work at McDonald's and after, you know, the average amount of time where a person sees a promotion to assistant manager is like X amount of months, your average hourly wage will go up to the average number, which is this for McDonald's. He was like, by the time you're 22 and your peers are graduating college, they'll have negative $40,000 plus interest and you will be a manager making $40,000 a year. By the time you're both 28, they will still be paying off their debt and the interest and trying to find work experience. And you will now be making, you know, X amount of dollars with a savings of, you know, X.

And he basically showed that a person who doesn't go to college without the debt has more net worth for it while they're younger. So the issue for me when i saw that was like would i rather be a 24 year old with a good salary enjoying my youth or a 24 year old settled with massive debt struggling to find a job and hoping i could pay it off eventually i'm gonna enjoy being young and go skateboarding i was kind of like what do i want to do with my life throw that my parents were like you know the money is not the important thing i think the question should be when you're 50, what do you want your life to be like?

Dog in the woods. Cabin made of twigs and fishing down by the river. Well, it's just that, you know, if you don't, the math works out up until you're only a certain point. But then suddenly all the people in their 40s and 50s start to surpass. Like, what have I done with my life? Well, they surpass those who didn't go to college and they're the ones now living a good life with a retirement. And you're still hustling and bustling in a blue collar job. Spurious correlation.

Is that the right phrase? Spurious correlation. So what told you not these fancy words? What ends up happening is there's an assumption that people go to college, make more money and people who don't go to college make less money. When the reality is people who are willing to do the work make more money and people who don't go to college make less money when the reality is people who are willing to do the work make more money. And so there's a tendency among, say, high school dropouts, for instance. They say, if you drop out of high school, you're not going to make any money.

It's like, well, it's because people who drop out of high school are typically not doing it for work ethic related reasons. So you're associating high school dropout with negativity as opposed to lack of work ethic and the negativity So if you drop out of high school There's a bunch of people who dropped out of high school who are famous skateboarders athletes musicians podcast hosts Mathematicians einstein dropped out of school high school. I think so So the issue is early when they see high school dropout

They assume everybody who did it did it for the same reason and thus they'll be broke Some people drop out because they're actually working harder and they're being held back by the institution. Yeah, the school's not going to make you successful. It's the drive. What happens is you'll look at somebody who doesn't go to college and someone who does and then see an average where the reality is people who are willing to say, I'm going to do four years of this work because I hope I can accomplish something. Whereas the average person is not going to do it, is not doing it because they're driven. They're doing it because they're not driven.

So it's a drive factor versus a lack of drive factor. Now, if you're smart enough to avoid the system and find a way to gain experience outside of that, then you will absolutely make substantially more money. And in fact, college dropout billionaires make three times as much money as college graduate billionaires. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it's PhD.

Or maybe it's both, actually. It's been a long time since I've researched this stuff. I just think if we keep encouraging people to not go to college, I hope you guys all like your stuff from China. Because we're going to need the Chinese engineers. We're going to need the Chinese architecture. We're going to need the Chinese technology. We're going to need the Chinese everything.

Because we won't have any intelligent Americans. Einstein dropped out of high school at the age of 15. Einstein did. He said, F it. When he was 15, this isn't for me. It's too slow. He high school at the age of 15. Einstein did. He said, F it. When he was 15, this isn't for me. It's too slow. He didn't like the way it worked. So he left and learned it on his own.

I just think a country that's willing to invest and educate their population is going to beat us. But who's choosing the education? You are correct. What's being taught? The school system right now is predatory. It's not accomplishing. Right. And what are they teaching?

Raise your hand. Wait till you're called on. Be a good boy. Don't step out of line. Colleges are different. They're making me a soldier, basically. Well, we'll read some more. We have a very, very important one here.

Black Rock Beacon says Roof Koreans are a well-regulated militia. Change my mind. I will not attempt to. Jacob Howard says, yes, you were promised the American dream, but the country has gone further and further to the left. And here we are. Is the solution more leftism? Perhaps conservatives have a role

in this life. Perhaps. Like, when you think about momentum, if it's swinging far to the left, it's like a swing set. You can push it and make it swing all the way around. Maybe. I will also just give a quick shout out, too. If you go to TimCast.com and click shop, we have a shirt that says

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him in a suit give him money and like make a you know thing so check it out Javi J says I came from an immigrant family we were told growing up that the American dream was to work hard to give a better life to our children.

Yeah, that's true. And somehow people think it's that like they don't have kids and they're going to be rich and swimming in an infinity pool and posting photos on Instagram. Whether they're your

biological children or not, it's to make it better for the children. We have a lot of superchats. We just way too many superchats, my friends. You guys are awesome. Nick Seamus says,

Give me Ian or give me death. Seamus. And give me a guest that knows what she's talking about when she talks about guns. Ooh, Kim. I got some spicy words for you, Kim. We should go deeper on guns.

Troy Dingman says, One of the biggest things the Founding Fathers screwed up on was not implementing a congressional dictionary to define what words mean in the content of the laws so we would be able to refer back to it completely agree in in legal documents it'll say like very very specific like this word hereby means this and they make sure the words are all very very you know specifically defined vs says ca gun stores

have been completely depleted no ammo ammo. Guns on back order. I bought a Glock in November. Wouldn't come in until February. Guns on consignment are extremely inflated. People are getting into reloading. It's been this way since the lockdown started. Wow. It's true.

We couldn't get any weapons during the lockdown. Stephen A. He says, historical scholar here. I definitely trust this. No offense, Stephen. I don't know your credentials. You could 100% own a cannon and military grade weapons back in the day. I want some linkage to like the facts on that.

I want to know. I'm curious. Frenzy film says, Tim, felons can lose the right to arms. The U.S. Constitution says you can lose the right through due process. All right. Well, there you go. I was wrong about that, I suppose. The 13th Amendment needs to be reformed, in my opinion, because it allows slavery in the event

that you're convicted of a crime, and I think that's wrong. I think slavery is wrong and just should not be in any capacity. I think our prison system's supposed to be rehabilitative, not retribution or punishment. All right, let's see. Powder PZ says,

I'm running for Congress in CA to go to change.org pz for congress to sign my petition to get my name on the ballot let's show the establishment we're in control all right well i don't know what you're running what your policy positions are hopefully they're good ones but either way people have heard about you thanks for the super chat voodoo m says is a harpoon gun a firearm i don don't know. Is it? I don't know. Maybe. Interesting.

Depends on how the chemicals used to project the thing. Here we go. John Hutto says basic firearm safety and training should be part of every high school education. Ian, you could not pull my gun from my holster even if I didn't try to stop you. There are holsters designed for retention. Yeah, but does everyone use those holsters? No. And that's a good point but there also are some very very simple ones that don't

even have any crazy mechanism it's just that you have to pull it out a certain direction so maybe if you had to have a holstered gun and a safety holster that could be something bro if you're if someone if you're you're responsible for it it's it's all someone has like a a gun tucked in their belt like a loaded pistol with the safety off and and they're on the train, and they're standing there with their hand up, it's just asking for disaster, in my opinion. Those people will get arrested if something happens. Well, what's going to happen? What if they're dead? What if the kid gets shot?

Or what if the bullet hits a train and can cause him... Loose guns. So I like this holster thing. A nice, tight holster. Teach responsibility. Maybe you can open... Well, you can open carry. Maybe the law should not be thing. A nice tight holster. Teach responsibility. Maybe you can open carry. Maybe the law should not be about that you can't do it. It should be that

it should have to be done in a secure holster fitted properly and regulated by the government. In which case, you have the ability to bear arms. You can't brandish the weapon, but it's in a secure holster only you can pull from. That way it's not dangling with the safety off or something like that. It's in a secure holster.

You could do like thumbprint activation like your cell phone. Yeah, something like that. In addition to another security feature. Big Dog Born says, I've been shooting all my life. Got my first 22 at the age of four. I view firearms as tools no different than a shovel or an axe. Yeah, I mean, if you swung a pickaxe at someone's head, you'd cause serious injury to them as well.

I guess, you know, things can be dangerous. Globalist Channel says, Tim, vaccine ready May 1st. I heard that. Joe Biden apparently made some big announcement earlier, so that's great. Is it the Moderna one? No, I think it was. Johnson & Johnson. He did like 100-something doses, maybe 100 million doses of Johnson & Johnson or something.

No, there you go. I think that's what they were saying. More than enough, I guess. Who owns that company? Johnson & Johnson probably. That No, there you go. I think that's what they were saying. More than enough, I guess. Who owns that company? Johnson & Johnson, probably. That one is actually going to do a non-profit. They're doing the vaccine non-profit. Oh, cool.

Interesting. Yeah. Tree of Liberty says, In 2005, we shot skeet on the football field in high school. Also, my published philosophy professor called Tom McDonald an astute philosopher. I would do. Then commented he was doing very valuable philosophical work. Wow, that's really amazing.

I say that about rap. People think I'm crazy. John Sochacki says spoiled rich white Westerners are angrier over the Alberta, Wisconsin pipeline than they are that then then they are at the turkey cutter pipeline as if bombs raining down in the middle Middle Easterners is no problem for them. Yeah. Let's see nicholas cervini says that he was suicidal his whole life i thought i would lose my firearms i'd never had found the help i desperately needed just got a little little news on johnson and johnson the majority shareholder older shareholders uh two of the

top three are the vanguard group and blackrock two of the largest investment firms in the world along with state street they basically own eight percent of every apple microsoft pfizer johnson and john you look down the list crazy powerful companies roberto flora says tim taking a stand on 2a nice oh yeah you're doing it that's certainly the case and it's not so much that i like the idea of everybody having guns i just don't think it's an it's an authoritarian position to try and supersede the constitution without proper amendment so then amend it you know nos says i that they've been suicidal in the past and they went for treatment for it they did the equivalent of paying their debt to society treatment centers are abusive by the way but now they say they're mentally healthy

they want a gun and they can't because of California. Interesting. Curious, curious mishap says Tim is 200 percent right on the suicide angle. Taking away the gun doesn't do much of anything. Butter knives don't work. Wow. They say they tried and battled severe depression their entire life. Banning never works. Prohibition anyone?

I knew someone that took a bunch of pills to die, but then they didn't't it didn't kill them and they were glad it didn't kill them right i think a shotgun probably would have got the job done and maybe they would have regretted it right kim they're they're they're enjoying that you're from california and pointing out the problems of california will you teach me says i love to see californians complain but i don't think it's fair because i think you're a smart and reasonable person so pointing out the problems of what's going on and being critical of it is exactly what we need from California. Lockdye says, you can make an AR-15 with a drill press from Amazon. The instructions exist online and has been for a very long time. Yeah.

All right. Where are we at? Jesse says, you saved my business, Tim, due to me listening to your pending economy shutdown. I was stocked up on supplies to prepare for it. Thank you. Kim Iverson has changed my mind on many topics. Please have her on again as one Tim IRL is not enough. Time for the open dialogue with her.

Very cool. Very nice. Thank you. Yeah, people were saying that you were the queen in the chat earlier. Oh, really? Because I'm getting hate mail in my inbox. Are you ready for all of it? Yes.

You know, people need to, I just, it's like, be polite. You know what I mean? Like, be nice. I think if people disagree with what you're saying, obviously, I think a lot of people who watch me agree with what I say. That's why they watch the show. But I think if they disagree with a guest or you, the answer is like, hey, Kim, I thought you were great.

Thanks for coming on Tim's show and being willing to have an open dialogue. I'd like to discuss with you these ideas. I found out this weird phenomenon where if you are saying something that is complex and other people don't understand it, they'll look at you and say, they're not making any sense. They're an idiot because they don't understand it. And so to not take as much of that stuff personally, usually. Well, I mean, I at this point can't take anything personal. But this one person in particular is getting mad saying that they didn't like my – this is what I'm confused about. Because he says he doesn't like my viewpoint on Second Amendment saying that I don't know anything.

You know, here I am trying to take everybody's rights away. But I thought I made it really clear that I was a pro-Second Amendment, almost at one point an extremist on it. Where I was like, I want to have a nuke if the government can have a nuke. And so I'm not one who is for taking away weapons of any kind. So it's kind of a funny, like, to get mad. And what was it exactly that made them believe I want to take rights away? And I'll clarify, too, if like, I don't want everyone in New York to be having a gun. I think it would be a lot of chaos. However, so long as the Constitution exists, you can't just choose to erase it. So I don't know what to say to somebody when they're like, I have a right to do it. I'm like, that's true.

It's in the Constitution. I can read it. So I personally don't like it. I am not the king of this country, and I can't snap my fingers and make anybody do anything. Until we make our own country that we talked about, right? Okay. Well, I mean, if we— Well, you have to be the ace.

You need to stand in the army. You're the ace of Spain. If we buy a plot of land and make our own, like, Timsville or whatever, everybody needs to be armed because a well-regulated militia is required for the survival of our free state. Is it going to be like Hunger Games or something? No, it's going to be like, you know, if a bear shows up.

Self-defense. Hunger Games. We need to protect ourselves from the bear, I guess. What if the U.S. Army shows up? More Hunger Games. I don't like it. If the U.S. Army shows shows up we smile and wave and say hi gentlemen how's it going we shake their hand and then we tell them give me your stuff i mean

i belong to us now they're not going to take our stuff they're going to be alike just pay your taxes sovereign nation all right u.s army not taking a sovereign nation stuff listen imagine that here's what we'll do we'll start the sovereign nation and And then when everyone's like, you're just people living in America pretending it's a sovereign nation. No, no, we're not paying taxes. We're just paying America for security, defense, access, roads. And so it's just our nation is supplying a payment,

a percentage of our GDP, like all these other countries are supposed to be doing for NATO. You see? But literally it's just us living in a field and paying taxes. We'll build like the United Arab Emirates of the United States, like a small community of super high tech development. Although we shouldn't have to pay property tax.

I'm totally. We got to be a religion, right? I'm completely against our religion. I think it should be totally banned. Ron Hubbard did it. So let's be a religion. Then you have to be for church. I like church.

All right, let's see. Ryan Einstetter says the mailroom job wouldn't get a pay raise. It would become a sub-40 hour per week part-time job. Come on, guys. This isn't hard to see. Take your heads out of the clouds. But why would a sub-40 hour, a dollar a week not get a pay raise? Right. Because it would still be tied to, no matter

how many hours they work. Hourly wages would go up. Clef the Misfit says, progressives talking about raising the minimum wage are looking at the problem backwards. Why is the cost of living shot far past wages? It's Federal Reserve inflation. Abolish the Fed. Costs will drop. Yeah.

Everyone's just like, yes. Yeah. I think there's something to that. Yeah. It's basically that so long as they can keep printing money in the way they do, they can extract value from us, spend it on whatever they want, and we just get poorer every single day. And they loan it to us at interest, which is crazy. Those promissory notes.

Riley Luan says, Tim, huge problem with even a progressive tax. When rich get taxed, they offset by increasing price of their product, making us pay the tax. True to a certain extent. It's not so simple to say that because there's a limit to what people are willing to pay for certain products. It may drive inflation for sure for that reason. But it's tough.

I like the idea of the progressive tax for the reason stated. But ultimately, I think it won't work because giving the government money doesn't solve the problem. It actually makes war worse. Most billionaires, I don't think, have a product. So they wouldn't even be able to do that that's not how they're rich you see you see here here evil black cat says it's amazing listening to this while all of you seem to recognize the core problem is the government having all the power you keep mentally evading it while advocating

for more government power mental uroboros i keep i literally said i like the idea of progressive tax but giving the money to the government doesn't solve the problem. You also have to define the government. Well, the U.S. government is just a monopoly. It's a representation of the people supposed to be. Yeah. Look, if 99 percent of us went and did something, the government, that would be the government doing it. I don't I don't think so.

No. Yeah. They're all part of it. Pretty sure. Like, you know, there are a lot of things the American people don't like and oppose but the government they're just disorganized if we were more organized yeah we just have a government that's not representative of the people right now but if it were representative of the people then it wouldn't be such a problem of them having power because it would be the people having power right zanzibar says statists

that complain about marauds are anti-capital. We were supposed to have flying cars by now, and it's those people keeping us grounded. Follow Zanzibar underscore Daleks and happy belated birthday, Tim. Thank you very much. Anthony Hamilton says, Tim, thank you for being real. Can you please look into Massachusetts? We are just playing follow the leader and nothing is wrong. It's pathetic.

Please look into it. It needs exposure. Okay. Like the whole state? I guess something's going on with lockdowns or whatever. Baron of Grey Matter says, it is against the law to discuss your salary with other employees. I'm German. You're horribly wrong about this. Oh. Maybe they

can't discuss it with one another, but I do know that it's transparent. I'm not familiar with German wage law. Forest Mommy says, I have a concierge doctor, $1,000 a year, all in-office visits covered, one-on-one care, tests at cost, it's great. 36 with no health issues or prescriptions,

need more of it, efficient business. And then people make fun of Chaz and things like that. MLD says, I didn't go to college because I didn't think it was smart to take on that debt. Now my taxes should go

to pay off debt for people who voluntarily took on that debt that can't pay and I have to compete with them for my next job. I say, no good, sir.

I say we get rid of the compounded interest so they have to pay back what they borrowed and that's it. What if the loan system was you had to pay back only on inflation? So no compounded interest. It was basically just like you had to pay back the inflated value, I suppose.

Oh. That's even better than the interest. No, that probably wouldn't work either. No, that would work. You think so? Sure. So like if you borrowed 30 grand and then like each year it just adds like 1%? Yeah. Something. It think so? Sure. So like if you borrow 30 grand and then like each year it just adds like, you know, 1%. Yeah.

Something. It just increases. Imagine inflation. You just pay back 30 plus whatever the rate of inflation was. Yeah. Makes sense. Especially for government-backed student loans. That's exactly how it should be.

Now, private loan, maybe they can get away with something, but. Superman, if he wasn't scared of green rocks, says, Tim, can you wish Stacey Herbert happy birthday and give a shout out to the Orange Pill YouTube channel? You talking about Max Keiser is the reason why I got into Bitcoin. Stacey, happy birthday and shout out to Stacey and Max and the Orange Pill podcast. If you guys want to learn about Bitcoin and you want to stop being poor, then you should definitely check out Max's podcast, the Orange Pill podcast. He has this really funny meme. It's like a picture of him laughing.

It says, have fun staying poor for like the people who don't buy Bitcoin. And I'll just put it this way. If you had been a fan of Max Keiser and watched his show and trusted him, you would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars right now. And I'm not exaggerating. There was a point where I guess there's like a story about how Max gave Alex Jones like 10,000 Bitcoin or something. And then Alex lost it because people didn't listen. They didn't believe him and he

was right the whole time. I want to shout out, Stacey, you are amazing. Thank you for being Max's life. You have made him organized in a way he never could have done on his own. I love you, Max. You guys are rock stars. I wish back then when Max was yelling about buying Bitcoin, I just did it. And I didn't. And I didn't. And I've known the guy for a long time. And it's like, man, if I had a time machine, if I could send a message back in time, send to the man, buy a thousand Bitcoin. Maybe you're just talking to yourself in modern day. Maybe you're receiving the message right now.

Buy Bitcoin. I know. And I'm still not doing it. Do it. Don't wait. Oh, man. All right. Let's see.

Where are we? Let's find a good super chat. What we got? Frank says, says tim you're from chicago you should know it's not what you know it's who you know oh yeah in chicago in many of these blue places these states you can get a gun if you got the right connections you know the connection to gary indiana right no like if you want to legally own a gun and walk around chicago then just if you know the right people they can get you through that process so what ends up happening is wealthy individuals and celebrities in like these these

certain states these blue states like new jersey like you know illinois or maryland or california if you if you have access yeah you can easily get a gun they just shuffle your request to the front of the paperwork basically so it's it's like in in some of these states you need to have a justification for why you need to be able to bear arms and it's like in some of these states, you need to have a justification for why you need to be able to bear arms. And it's like, I'm rich. And they go, okay. I'm famous. Oh, absolutely. Regular person? Of course not.

Your constitutional rights are meaningless, pleb. Turtleburger says, I don't think you should be able to take out a student loan amount for more than one year's average starting pay of that degree. I think that would make people choose more carefully and bring down tuition. Or maybe, I don't know, people have to get jobs while they're in school and they can't take out the loans for the full cost of tuition or we need to stop guaranteeing it so that

the price of schools go down. Some degrees, they don't let you get a job. Yeah, I try to get a job. Well, I did have a job while I was in college. I couldn't do class, the job, and the theater shows. I had to pick two of the three. Same with music. You couldn't do it. But law school, I don't think they even let you get a job while you're in law school. Yeah, there's some programs they will not let you work. Yeah. And same, I think, with medical school. You're not allowed.

Yeah. Wolfalt DeLeon says, Kim, your mom loves Trump. What do you think of him? Well, like, I mean, I think he's anti, you know, I'm an anti-establishment person. So I started off really hating Trump. I was I definitely had Trump derangement syndrome in the beginning. Like what? You were cured. Yeah, I was. And I also had, you know, I was very establishment, I think, in my viewpoints in the beginning,

like a while ago before I really started researching. Like in the 90s? No, like, I would say when in 2016 even, you know, I was more progressive. I liked Bernie Sanders, but I think I just kind of fell into the establishment narrative. But then the more research I did, I was like,

oh my gosh, the establishment is such a problem. And with Trump, I think I started with Trump derangement syndrome, but then through time I found myself having to defend him over and over again, which really upset a lot of my viewers. But it was because the left had gone so deranged on him. And then I think as I started to defend him, I almost had sympathy for him, right? Because I'd be like, gosh, they're just making stuff up or they're, you know, and so really, I just saw a guy that, you know, I don't I don't hate him. And I don't love him. But I did think that he would have been better than Biden getting in office. I was very anti Biden. Yeah, still, I agree. I agree.

David Marcella says, Please tell Ian an armed society is a polite society. I've heard that before. Oh, wow. Drew, the RN, says, please bring Kim on as staff. See, some people really enjoy your business. Sorry, Lydia, I'm getting your job. Oh, yeah. Lute says, stop the Fed from giving money to all the banks at 0% interest. Make banks get their capital from their account holders. Pay us interest again.

Interesting. That'd be cool. All right, let's do a couple more. Let's see. Where are we at? Jonathan Duger says, Freedom is sloppy. Suicide isn't going to stop without guns.

Freedom is sloppy. It's tough. It is tough stuff. We'll do one more. Lucas GZ says, You should do a super chat giveaway. What does that mean? Maybe giveaway t-shirts or something? I can be your first winner.

Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. We have a bunch of the Diamond Hands Gorilla shirts coming in. We should make that guy the first winner, too, for bringing that up. Lucas GZ. How do we contact Lucas? Not sure. He'd have to email us at

spintheufo at gmail.com. You're going to get all kinds of Lucas. Every single person. But he also adds Ian for vice president. Oh! Just vice president? My voice is crazy cracking. Well, you've got to be the president first. No, it would be Trump Crossland.

Oh, interesting. All right, my friends. We are going to have a crazy spacey conversation about like tarot or like astrology and like the secrets of my, I want to learn the secrets

of how I'm an ace of spades and how that gives me psychic powers. So that's going to be over at timcast.com and just, you know, it should be up in about an hour or so. But make sure to follow me on all social media platforms. Why do I keep doing that?

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about a year so i would like to see if this works yeah so if a bunch of you will subscribe then maybe we'll see if I can break through that algorithm in some way. It's always important that people who want to get more content from Kim subscribe to the channel and make sure you actually go and watch it. The algorithm is a nasty beast. You got to be careful. Click the thumbs up buttons when you pop into the video, even if you only watch it for a

short period of time. Always smashing the like button. That's what you need. You need people to smash the like button for you. Yeah, I think it's all... And the notification bell helps. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything that helps me. I mean, but yeah, go to Kim Iverson, YouTube, you know, subscribe, smash, all that stuff.

Smash. Crush. Crush. Devastate. Ian? Hey, guys. Thank you so much for coming. I love you.

Ian Crosland. You can follow me at iancrosland.net if you want to check out all my socials. And I have a merchandise store that's pretty cool. I'll be adding more stuff there in the future. Very cool. Thanks for coming. Yeah, so I think that Kim should be on the other side of the camera. I don't think you should be over here pushing buttons if we did bring you on.

I think that would be great. Oh, I did. We're trying to save her job. I know. It's true. That's what I say. I love my job. I was going to say, too, that a harpoon gun is not considered a firearm.

Firearms have to have gunpowder, I suppose, apparently, according to Reddit, which knows everything. So Ian was right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I have a question. Full auto, belt fed. Now we're talking.

Harpoon gun? Harpoon gun. Yeah. I don't know. Don't swim for your life. Anyway, I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and on Mines, and I am Real Sour Patch twitter and on mines and i am real sour patchlets on instagram and gab so follow me there we will be back at timcast.com with an exclusive segment talking about this weird secrets of uh what it means to be an ace of spades and uh destiny cards

destiny cards interesting the secrets of the universe we'll see you all there and thanks for hanging out. Bye, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.