Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #250 - White College Staffer Resigns Over Anti-White Racism, Wokeness On Trial w/Jodi Shaw

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join vocal critic of the woke left and former staffer at Smith College Jodi Shaw to analyze what happened there, how to take a stand against the woke left, the recent case of a biracial students' failed class for refusing to voice woke talking points, and whether anyone who pushes critical race theory actually believes their woke talking points.  Support the show (http://Timcast.com/donate) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Under Donald Trump, he had an executive order that banned effectively critical race theory trainings at in the government, as well as any company that implemented these trainings as well. When Joe Biden got in, he rescinded this executive order. And now there are questions about what's going to be happening at universities. Apparently, there was a rule from the Department of Education that racial affinity groups were discriminatory. These groups are basically when they take a bunch of people of one race and make them segregate. Under Donald Trump, that was against the rules. And now under Joe Biden, it is within the rules and, in my opinion, shockingly discriminatory.

Well, we have a very specific story from Smith College and one of their staff members, who was a white staff member, who is accusing the university of anti-white racism but instead of me trying to break down the the long and arduous journey for you we actually are joined by jody shaw who you were the staffer who resigned you want to introduce yourself yes i am hi i'm jody shaw former staffer of smith college uh should i tell the story just really just a really quick and simple introduction like you quit for, you know, maybe like 30 seconds. Okay, so there's a lot of context, but essentially Smith's various initiatives and policies aimed at achieving racial justice are grounded in critical race theory. And what we know about critical race theory is not,

it's not that somebody commits an act of racism, it's that somebody is racist simply based on their skin color. And that skin color happens to be white. Basically, wokeness is taking over these universities, and you had to experience it firsthand. And it essentially forced you out. So we'll talk about your story. And there's a bunch of other stories. Apparently, there's another professor who's come out and you know called it what does he call it like a like a religion basically a non-secular religion secular religion secular religion right secular which is uh we heard that from peter bogosian and james lindsey and helen pluckrose as well years ago so we'll get into this we're also hanging out with ian hey everyone ian crossland up in this how's it going up in this house there you go yes hello also me in the corner pushing buttons i'm sarah patch

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really does help. Five stars. And again, share this podcast if you really like it. Today is going to be much more focused on a lot of topical stories, but we're going to jump into the story from Jody so we can better understand exactly what's going on with your case and what you're experiencing these universities. So I'll lay it out. I think most people understand wokeness, critical theory, which is not just race theory. It's also critical gender theory. They seem to be formless in a sense, like the rules don't really make sense.

They just want you to bend the knee and adhere to their strange subjective reality. It's resulting in overtly bigoted and racist policies, which, in my opinion, violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act. So for me personally, one of the reasons I supported Trump in this election cycle, this past election cycle, was because of his because of his executive order banning critical race theory in the government, as well as contracts with companies that do this, because I've seen firsthand what happens when you implement these neo-racist, neo-segregationist policies. Universities are creating affinity groups. They're telling all the white people to segregate, all the black people to segregate. And then it creates very strange problems with whether or not Asians are minorities or they're white and privileged. So you've experienced this firsthand. And first, just tell me the story and whatever detail you want to tell us the story

where you ultimately resigned from your job because I guess they were being racist to you for being white. Yes, that's accurate. All right. Thank you for telling your story. What happened? Where did you work?

Smith College. What's going on? Smith College. So I started off at smith as a temporary librarian working in the library as an outreach and engagement librarian and i was hired to do you know kind of out of the box things to engage students who otherwise normally wouldn't engage very deeply with the library and um about i don't, almost a year after I was hired, I was or six months after I was hired, I was tasked with doing a wild and crazy event for 600 first year students. And

I decided and I was given a big venue. And the people who gave me the venue said, we will give you this venue if you do something wild and crazy, because these kids are going to be exhausted. This is the sixth day of the event. So you got to agree to that. So I did. And I thought, and I have a musician background. So I thought, well, what's the best way to transmit a bunch of very boring information to a bunch of 600 first year students? Obviously a rap. So everyone knew I was going to be doing a rap. I spent months preparing, working with musicians, getting everything set up, the sound and everything. And simultaneously, I was up for a permanent job at Smith College. So I worked all summer on this. And then something happened at Smith on July 31st, 2018, a student, a black student accused a white

custodian of engaging in racially motivated behavior against her. She was in a house that she was not supposed to be in. It was over the summer. And the staff there had allowed her to be in the house. But this custodian didn't know who she was. She was lying down in this living room, couldn't see her very well. And this document, this instance been documented quite well now in a recent New York times article ever since that incident, um, the college immediately. So the student, that was like two years ago, wasn't it? Yeah. This was in 2018 July. She made a Facebook post.

So she didn't even file a formal complaint. Uh, she simply posted about the experience on Facebook and said that this was just another example of a pattern of systemic racism she had experienced at Smith College. So the college immediately sprung into action, announcing profuse apologies to the student and to the student body, and announced its intention to launch all these initiatives and committees and conversations and dialogues to combat this issue of systemic racism at the college. And this was before they'd even conducted any investigation into what had actually happened that day. So they did conduct an investigation, a very thorough one, and they found that there was

absolutely no evidence of racial bias. And anyone who is privy to the facts of what happened that day and has read this investigatory report, which is 35 pages plus 130 pages of exhibits, I mean, it was really thorough. They would be hard-pressed to argue that this was an incident of racial bias. That in and of itself is insane. That a woman was sitting down in some, she was in a closed dorm. A janitor saw her and said, who's this? So instead of confronting the person,

which could have been a bad call, he called a cop. The cop was very polite. There's a video of it where he's just like, how's it going? How are things? Sorry for bothering you. And that warranted an independent

investigatory body coming in, a 35 page report. 35 page report plus exhibits floor plans audio recordings they they investigated phone calls to campus this is campus police so unarmed it wasn't like the town police this is campus police a 30 a guy who'd been working there for 35 years his name is robert young beloved spotless record um he showed up and he actually i think he recognized the student i heard he recognized her and and and she was able to stay um so yeah they they really it was like they were really trying hard to almost to prove that it was in my opinion almost to prove that

it was and and they weren't able to that the uh outside investigators said this this is not an incident of racial bias and yet they proceeded with all these initiatives and it's almost like it didn't matter what the event was they wanted the the anti-racism which is just a name by the way they wanted the critical race theory policies in the school and it sounds like they knew it was bunk but they needed a pretext and even though it was proven bunk, they moved forward anyway. I think that's an accurate analysis. So what ended up happening to you then? So what happened to me was, you know, meanwhile, I'm in the library working on my rap. And this happened on July 31st.

And the orientation I was doing was happening in very early, like right after Labor Day. And so within a week of me doing this huge thing, organizing an event for 600 people, it's no small undertaking. I was told my supervisor came in and said, you know, you can't do this. You can't do a rap. And I said, why not? And he said, because you're white and it would be seen as cultural appropriation. So did you try identifying as not white?

I did ask. I said, I said, I said, I said, so if I was not white or I know I said if I was a person of color and I didn't indicate what color I said, if I was a person of color, would I be allowed to do it? And he said, yes, without hesitation. So obviously just anybody except for somebody who's white. What about Eminem? Did you tell him that?

Yeah. Well, he did. Eminem's a white supremacist, dude. One of the most prolific actors of our time. Yeah, seriously. Or rappers of our time, rather. I'm kidding, by the way. He's a white supremacist.

Well, I mean, yeah, people say that. Macklemore and, I mean, of course, Tom McDonald. But, I mean, really, rap is an American... It's an American art. It's culturally American, I think. That's my view. I don't understand why we all can't just, you know, appreciate. You know what I mean?

It's actually, like, racist of me to try and play that game about, what about a white guy who did it, too? You're right. It's an American art form. Who invented the guitar? Where did the guitar come from? Good question. Who was using that? Or keyboards? Or turnt American art form. Who invented the guitar? Where did the guitar come from? Huh? Good question. Who's using that or keyboards or turntables?

Who invented the record player? Yeah. Or the loot. Everybody. I don't know. That's why I'm like, this stuff's really scary because it's kind of obvious. Let me ask you, your supervisor who came in said you can't rap. Is this like a middle-aged white dude?

He's a white dude, but he's not middle-aged. He's younger than me. He's actually the head of the search committee for the job I was up for, so it was very awkward. Was he woke? Like, I mean, I think he's towing the line. So coward?

You should... Don't answer that. Don't answer that. I personally do not respect individuals who would say something like that because I think what he said to you was extremely racist. Extremely racist. Yes, it was so – but it was so unhesitating. I mean the manner in which he said it and then followed up by email.

He memorialized this in an email, in writing. And then I went to the dean of the libraries and I said, you know, what's going on? And she actually told me something that was a veiled threat. Remember, I was up for a job. And she said, well, how you choose, how you manage to be resilient in the face of this situation is really going to give us a lot of information in light of your candidacy for this job. It was something like that. I'm paraphrasing. So I mean, to me, that's a veiled threat. And so the fact that they did it so blatantly and explicitly, I was genuinely confused. I was like, because when I heard about the student, all I heard was a black student was just lying on a couch in a house and somebody called the police on her.

That's terrible. Like that was the narrative that I heard. You know, I had didn't really go because there was no investigation. That's what the college told me. I really didn't have reason not to believe them at that point. So I was confused. I was like, well, you know, this really feels like racial discrimination. He literally told me because I'm because you're white, you can't do this, this op job opportunity. And I wrestled with, well, should I file a complaint? I was like, but can white people be discriminated against? Like, is that possible? And I thought, well, gee, if I, if I report it, I'll never get a job here because white people aren't supposed to

complain about this stuff. They're not supposed to do that. And so it was a very hard, hard for me emotionally to wrestle with what I was supposed to do with that. And what I ended up doing was I ended up leaving the library and moving to a different department on campus, thinking that I could get away from, because there was also lots of these discussions and dialogues that were happening even before this event had occurred that I just went along with. And again, I had no reason to believe, oh, there's systemic racism. Okay. And I guess, you know, as a white person, you're supposed to talk about your privilege and that's going to help somehow. So I thought, okay. But inside it always felt like it felt kind of disingenuous. So you didn't quit at this point?

No, I left. I stayed in the school. Yeah, it's a long story. So I went to a different department and I didn't know that this department, the Department of Residence Life, is very steeped in the social justice. That's one of its core values. And again, at the time, I thought, oh, social justice. Yeah, I can get with that. I hadn't quite put all the pieces together. And I think this is part of the problem is a lot of people are genuinely confused. You needed to be watching Timcast IRL.

It's not your fault, though. I mean, you know, a lot of people don't know about how awesome. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Continue. Yeah, I definitely need to be watching Timcast. So, yeah, I moved into this department and other things started happening on campus. Like the campus police officer who showed up to that incident was,

was terminated a year later. And this is a guy for racism. No, it was for undisclosed reasons. Wow. And he was a 35 year veteran about to retire spotless police, right? He was beloved.

We called him officer Bob. He was there when I was a student there. That's, that's a Simpsons joke where they're like, he was two days away from retirement. Like they do that all the time. Like the dog gets hit by a car., where they're like, he was two days away from retirement. They do that all the time. The dog gets hit by a car and like, ah, he was two days away from retirement. Here's this cop. I mean, it's parody in and of itself. It's like life imitating art. It's so absurd. Yeah, it's absurd. And it's tragic.

Because the other thing that happened with this student was she made this Facebook post, and then she made a subset. She didn't know the name of the custodian. She couldn't identify the custodian who had called Campus Police on her. So she posted the photos and email addresses of two other unrelated, like people who were not involved. A dining room person and another custodian who wasn't even there. He left to shift for the day before it even happened. And those two, the lives of those two people were, I mean, I think it was catastrophic. One of them, during the investigation, he was put on leave and a paid leave, and he ended up not coming back to

the college. He had some pre-existing conditions and it was too much. He didn't come back. And then the dining room worker was harassed. I mean, she got phone calls. She got notes in her home mailbox. Students would whisper and point at her, there's the racist. She was then furloughed this past summer, and she applied for a job somewhere to make up for the temporary loss loss of her temporary loss of her job at smith and the person who was hiring her said weren't you the person that was involved

with that student when the they called the police and she was like no no she tried to explain it she didn't get the job i mean we can't know for sure that well she didn't get the job for that reason but i would say yes but i what you don't understand, once the word gets out, you'll hear this. Look, I understand you weren't at fault, but I mean, we can't have those people coming after us. So I'm just sorry. You understand, right? Yeah, that's the thing. Once you're out there, you are unhirable.

And it's not about whether they believe you or not. It's that they don't want you near their company. So now you're waking up to the realities that are the cult of wokeness, but you still work at the college. I still work at the college. I'm starting to wake up. I'm starting to pay attention more. Some other things start happening around campus. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I took a lower paying position in doing administrative

support. So I was no longer a teaching librarian. I was kind of like, I thought, oh, I can hide down here. That's kind of what I thought. Very nuts and bolts, like getting students their IDs, getting them keys, very, very like salt, like practical kind of job. And yet, you know, I was told I had to attend staff meetings where people were talking about identity. We had, there was one staff meeting where we talked about the, how colonialism, was it white supremacy, like examples of how white supremacy still manifests at the college. And one of my colleagues started banging on the table saying, rich white women, rich white women. He was talking about the alums.

He was talking about the alums. And so nobody batted an eyelash. You know, I'm like, this feels very like, I mean, this doesn't feel professional. There was no, like, did they start banging on the table and chanting gobble gobble one of us at you? Trying to convince you to join the cult didn't happen is that anybody who gets that reference you deserve something a present what is it i don't actually it's from thank you it's from it's from the movie called freaks i think i think it's called freaks and there's this beautiful woman she's trying to marry this freak who's got an inheritance and so all the freaks at the table

are chanting gobble gobble one of us but she's's not a freak. And so she's like, no. And she like runs away screaming. Yeah, that was me. I'm that woman. So but is that how you ended up quitting? No. So then like, you know, I started gently. I felt gently talking to my supervisors, like, because the other thing they were asking me to do was to support a curriculum for students. It was essentially telling students that you can break the world down into two groups of people, oppressed and oppressors. And oppressors are

white and everyone else is oppressed. And I felt like that was really such a disservice to students. It made me very uncomfortable. It felt like the infantilization I was talking to Lydia about earlier of students, like telling students of color, like, you can't quite handle the world. And until your white counterparts start talking about their white privilege, nothing's going to happen for you. It was kind of this toxic dependency thing. And I just felt like it was incredibly disempowering to both white students and non-white students. And so I tried to raise this several times with my supervisor. Nothing happened. I finally just was like, I'm not, I don't want to talk about my race at work. I started thinking, gee, you know, you can't ask about race in a job interview. So how is it that this is a continued condition of my employment? So I was told we were going to go, this is the big event.

We were going to go to a, um, a professional development retreat on campus. And the first day we would be discussing our identities. So I went to my supervisor and I said, you know, and I knew that meant race because that's usually what it means. And I said, you know, I'm uncomfortable discussing my race at work. And she said, no problem. Just say that at the retreat. So I thought, okay. So I went to the retreat and everyone went around the table and we did the script talking about our race. And it was actually, they wanted us to talk about our race in the context of our childhood, no less. Race slash culture, they were like conflating the two. And so I said,

I'm uncomfortable talking about this at work. And then a little later, one of the hired facilitators said, I was the only one to abstain, by the way, one of the hired facilitators said, you know, any white person who declines or exhibits discomfort, which I had, in discussing their race when requested is not actually uncomfortable. You might want to feel like you empathy for them, but don't. What they're doing is a power play and it's called white fragility. And so they said this and my heart just dropped because this was in front of all my colleagues. And that's when a line was crossed for me because I realized this wasn't just, I couldn't just keep, you can't just keep your head down and mouth shut in this environment. This is an environment in which now shame and public humiliation is being used as a tool to compel certain behavior because they wanted me to talk about my race and they wanted me to talk about it in a certain way. I answered the question authentically, which is I am uncomfortable discussing my race. And that was not an acceptable response.

So at that point, I knew I had to file a complaint, which brings me to filing the complaint with the officer in charge of making sure Smith complies with EEOC, which is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission laws. She has a JD. And when I went to file my complaint, I met with her and she looked at me. She was rather incredulous. And she said, do you believe in white privilege? And I was like, what? And then she said, you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was created to protect traditionally marginalized groups of people. So I interpret that to mean not me. And then the last thing she said was, you know, I'm going to

have to hire an outside investigator to deal with this if you're going to proceed with filing a complaint of racial discrimination and harassment. And I said, well, why is that? Aren't you the person that processes these complaints? And she said, yes, but this is different because you're white. She literally said those words. She literally said those words. She said that twice at two different occasions. And I followed them up with emails, of course, because by now I'm being very careful about paper trail and everything.

So I filed the complaint and I filed it. I think it was probably like a week before George Floyd was murdered. And so Smith went into hyperdrive after the July 31st, 2018 incident with the combating systemic racism stuff and all the initiatives. They went into super duper hyperdrive after George Floyd. And remember, this time, like we're in a global pandemic, nobody knows what's going on. Suddenly, everybody's like the college is closed. Everyone's working from home. We're going to furlough all these people. Everyone's worried about their job. And the college comes out with this four-page document called Toward Racial Justice at Smith, outlining further initiatives, including initiatives aimed at measuring pay across registers of identity. So we're talking about like you're now it's being tied to your job performance. So at that point, I started sending emails to HR and other people asking, you know, can you give me definitions of this stuff? Like, what do you mean by equity?

And what does this mean? Because now you're telling me this is tied to my pay. And there was nothing happening. In the meantime, I was getting invited to white staff only meetings and being told that letters from the president saying white people are especially responsible for combating racism and doing this work. And we all have to work and do this hard work. And it felt like it was just constant, constant emails and constantly talking about what being white and how responsible white people are for all this racism and how horrible the systemic racism is, and how I need to do all this work. And by now, it's been made clear to me that it's not optional, right? I mean, they say, well, you know, it's optional. But if I don't go, I've been, you know, it's like, clearly, that could be interpreted as an act of aggression or power play. So cut to October, I finally decided that I was in a bad state psychologically

and physically. And I decided that my health was the damage that I was causing to myself by remaining in this environment was worse than what might happen if I made a video about it. So I made a YouTube video and that actually kind of just blew up. I didn't know what would happen if I made a video about it. So I made a YouTube video and that actually kind of just blew up. I didn't know what would happen. Did you quit at this point? No. You really want to get to the part where I quit? No, not yet.

Yeah, kind of, I guess. Sorry. Not really. I'm just curious if like, you know, I'll put it this way. It really does sound like you were constantly being pushed to your breaking point. And from what you're telling me,

you're like, they told me I had to say this. And I'm like, wow, surely that made you quit. But hearing that each and every beat in the story, you're like, you stayed through it. Yeah, because I was going through all the internal channels of trying. I was a good faith effort on my part. I thought, well, surely if I show them that this is wrong, surely they will be like, oh, maybe we should review our policies or, oh, gee, this is hurting. A staff member is coming up telling us this is hostile and she's being hurt. Like, surely we should listen to this person. no longer have faith in Smith College, but I still had some faith at the time that perhaps and I also knew I needed to exhaust my internal remedies too. So I made some videos. And I got put under investigation, like within a month for an unrelated thing. And then I was, they found me

not guilty of whatever it was I was under investigation for a slap on the wrist. Do you know what the investigation was for? Yeah, we had received after I made the video, we received a bunch of emails to my department to the departmental email, which I respond to a bunch of people respond to it. And it was like, you know, Jody Shaw's a white supremacist. She went on Tucker, because I want to Tucker Carlson after I made the video. She's associated with a white supremacist. Therefore went on Tucker, cause I went on Tucker Carlson after I made the video. Um, she's associated with a white supremacist, therefore you should fire her. And so I was forwarding these emails to my personal account cause I'm documenting everything by now. And, um, they said one of, one of those emails contained student information.

I'm not clear on what they didn't tell me which email it was. Um, and I wasn't able to determine which email they meant, but it was a slap on the wrist. And then it was like, uh, okay. Um, you can come back to work. And I, I, it felt like that was a hard choice, um, whether or not to go back or, um, I'm not going to talk about the, there were some settlement negotiations, which I won't get into. But it felt like going back into an abusive relationship. And I thought I wouldn't go back into an abusive relationship. So I can't I can't go back. And that's when I resigned.

I can't believe you made it that far. I can't either. But, you know, i absolutely can empathize when i worked for fusion they had an event where they they had all of their you know stars their personalities hosting a specific event except for one person and uh well i should say i'm not going to pretend like i deserve to be a part of all of the big productions from this disney corporate this Disney corporate, you know, cable channel. But I did question why it was they brought in an outside personality who was black to be involved in an event when I was actually on staff under contract to be one of their hosts. And I don't care about the race of the individual.

My question was, why hire someone from the outside if you're paying me to do this? And I was told explicitly by the president, it's because you are white and i said don't you know that i am not and he says you look too white and i said i come from a you know everybody knows this by now especially people who watch the show second generation mixed race family and he was like i get it man the company's racist he told me that and you know what i did try to quit but i never filed a complaint hindsight being 2020 i wonder if i really should have if i should have gone because maybe if you know at the time i didn't really think anything of it but you mentioned something really interesting early on when you said that you know you as as a white person you

had this idea that like you don't complain about these things when they when they criticize you or they or they you know negatively impact your life based on you being white or whatever white people don't complain and it was interesting for me because i didn't look at i've never i've never had like a white racial history or identity or anything like that because i grew up in a mixed race area with with a bunch of different friends of different races. And I had a mom who made bulgogi for dinner. But when I heard this, I had a more libertarian gut reaction of, you do you, I'll do me. Break my contract. They refused to do it. They told me, you're under contract for another year. Why don't we just wait things out and see how it goes? And so in the meantime, I was getting paid well. And I didn't have any obligations with the company. They told

me just do whatever because they didn't want the problems, I guess. The company wasn't always woke. They decided to get woke. And then I wonder now if I had just been more aware of what was going on. This is back in, I think, 2015. Maybe I could have filed a complaint that could have preempted something like what you went through. Maybe if we were all in this a little earlier and aware of what was going on. But it didn't mean anything to me. It was just a one-off event in my life i didn't realize at the time we had seen you know we're seeing gamergate right the start of

this culture war now we can see how bad it's really gotten so so tell me now so you ended up resigning and you ended up raising what like 300 grand yeah yeah so what's that all about what's what's what's going on what's his money for you're gonna buy a we're gonna buy a jeep lamborghini yeah no well the money is for i mean anything it's the go fund me is complicated but um the go fund me was started because i was quitting my job and i wasn't gonna have income uh and I'm going up against an extremely powerful institution that has a $2 billion endowment and has hired a very expensive attorney. And yeah, that's what the money's for. And actually, my goal was $150,000.

And anything over $150,000 actually is going into a fund. I'm working out the details now for other people who are in similar situations. And then I cut that off at $290,000. So now it's going back to me because I realize now how little $150,000 actually is in spite of what people think. It's actually not that much. It's not a lot. It's not that much money, especially since this is my job now. And there are a lot of, there's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of organizing, you know, in this, in the background and a lot of work, and it's not that much money. You need a million bucks. And I'm not, I'm not exaggerating. And people need to realize this. Listen up, everybody. Lawsuits are expensive. Okay. And especially you're going up against this university or is it college? College.

Yeah. They're going to have tremendous resources. And each and every one of these woke individuals can put money towards this university if they want to. But the university itself has more resources than an individual. These lawsuits, when it comes to defamation, going up against the establishment, you're going to spend a quarter million dollars in a couple months. A couple months. You look at just a simple defamation case.

It was Carl Benjamin and Akilah Hughes. And I think that cost Carl somewhere around like 120 grand, if that. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm getting the number wrong. Court fees alone was like $40,000. Then he had his legal fees his lawyer fees and that's just two individuals going over one small defamation case you're talking about you know you filed an eeoc complaint yes for racial discrimination yes and so i'll i'll ask

a couple questions are you are you are you allowed to talk about this are you going to be filing a suit privately outside of the eeoc uh that remains to be seen the eeoc is the first step it's a requirement though yeah so and then if so i assume when you filed your complaint you provided testimony a sworn affidavit no not yet that doesn't happen with the eeoc okay um that would that would happen if i file a civil suit, though. What is EEOC? Good question. EEOC.

It's the Equal Employment... Equal Employment Opportunity Commission? Yes. It's like a government agency? It is. And they have a state level and a federal level. And I believe in Massachusetts, where I am, it gets cross-filed with the federal government. So that is the first step. And so right now, I did file the complaint,

and Smith College has a certain time limit to respond, so we get to see how they're going to defend. We get to get a little insight into how they might defend themselves against these claims. So you file the complaint first. Is the EEOC going, assuming they take your case? Have they or do we know that yet or what? Well, we're waiting for, they have to wait for the response. Yeah, response from Smith. And then I think, I'm not a lawyer, I think they can choose

to investigate it if they decide it has merit or I don't know what their criteria is. But either way, I think you can get a right to sue letter. You can sue in state court or in federal, the federal level. There's a different waiting period for each. And I think you can do that regardless of whether or not the EEOC decides to investigate. But I'm not exactly sure about that. I'm worried that with Joe Biden coming in and the rule changes from the Department of Education that they're going to tell you to buzz off. Yeah. You know, there's another administrative agency called the Office of Civil Rights, the OCR.

And I just heard a story recently about a woman who was having similar situations. She's white. And so she filed a complaint with the OCR and the OCR this was during Trump and the OCR determined that this is a hostile where I forget exactly what it was but they said yeah this is wrong whatever is going on this workplace is wrong and they issued a letter to the employer and they said here's here are the steps you need to do to correct the situation it wasn't even like she was get I don't think she was suing for, it wasn't even a lawsuit for money or anything.

It was just like fix the situation. And then Biden moved into office and the OCR rescinded that. I think that was in the New York Post recently, that story. So that is concerning. As you know, he rescinded Trump's EO, which was essentially just restating what's – we have Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was just restating it, really. I'll tell you what I think one of the problems is. A lot of conservatives seem to think that Donald Trump needed to do all the work for him.

And not just conservatives. Conservatives had been the one paying attention to this more than liberals were. Like, you know, in the story you told, you were kind of unaware of what's going on. I told a similar story in 2014. Conservatives have seen this and have been railing on it for some time. Then moderates got roped in and how many liberals, people like Barry Weiss, for instance, are complaining about what happened at The New York Times. And you have anti woke leftists even now criticizing the establishment and what they call neoliberalism. The problem is a lot of conservatives thought Donald Trump was the answer. I'm not saying every single one, or at least they thought Trump would be some kind of assistance.

And they're not entirely wrong. Trump did come in and he did eventually sign, you know, enact this executive order. But it took what James Lindsay and Christopher Ruffo going on, you know, enact this executive order. But it took what James Lindsay and Christopher Ruffo going on, you know, shows Christopher Ruffo going on Tucker Carlson and saying this is a problem for Trump to enact this what in the last several months of office. The issue is these government agencies had been doing absolutely racist practices. In one instance, there was like, I think it was there was a certain laboratory sent all the white people on a retreat to like talk about whiteness and white privilege and why it's bad and things like that. We've seen many stories like that. Christopher Ruffo documents

all of these, you know, there's a bunch of examples. Every single one of those people needed to file a lawsuit. They needed to do what you are doing right now. So what ends up happening is we have years of this and we have many people complaining about it. But where are the people actually filing the suits, challenging these institutions on, was it Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act? You cannot discriminate on the basis of race and gender and national origin and things like that. When I saw Donald Trump was enacting this executive order, I thought to myself, he shouldn't have to do this. It's already illegal. It's interesting. We had a leftist on this show who argued that Trump was banning free speech and that it was

wrong to do this. And I'm like, it's already illegal to do these programs. You cannot take a bunch of white people off to a retreat and tell them white people are bad. That violates the law. The law says race. The law doesn't say marginalized groups. You can argue the spirit or the intent, but it doesn't matter. We have these laws for a reason. Joe Biden has come in, rescinded the executive order, and it doesn't change the fact it's still illegal. That means every single person who works in the government, works in these universities, or is affected by the wokeness needs to be filing a lawsuit today against these institutions for what they're doing.

Why aren't they doing it? Well, we talked about money. That's true. That's a huge thing. I mean, really, it's even before that. The question is why. I mean, I feel like more people are speaking out, but but i mean people don't even talk about it let alone file a lawsuit i mean that's like a big that's a big step that's a commitment

and litigation is difficult um we do have some other lawsuits going on in this country though we have a clark versus clark v democracy prep in nevada which is a school case uh it's a k through 12 charter school uh the gabrielle's son is a senior and he was uh forced i mean they said they would give him a d minus if he didn't profess his is this the biracial yes so we actually have looks white he's like you well that's that's a that's a really there's a really funny thing about that uh whether i'm white appearing or not depends on the the race of the individual no joke so in my experience i've i've i've been called hispanic more than anything else latino i had a guy at occupy wall street refer to me as his puerto

rican brother and i'm like bro, bro, I'm not Hispanic. I mean, I know like the tiny bit of Spanish because I grew up in Chicago. But I was in Anaheim and I had the guys from Telemundo walk up to me speaking Spanish, just assuming I was Latino to a certain extent. And so it really is in the eye of the beholder. The funny thing is, if I agree with the woke, all of a sudden they can see that I'm not white. And they say, see, it's because you understand. If I disagree with them, they say, you're white.

That's the name of the game. Yeah, because it's not really about skin color. It's about politics. Yeah, it's about whether you are in the cult or not. So let me jump to the story. We have this from the Atlanta Black Star. They say black mom sues school after she says biracial son received failing grade in sociology class for refusing to confess his

white dominance. A black mom is suing her biracial son's Nevada charter school after she claims he received a failing grade for refusing to link aspects of his identity to oppression and dominance in his sociology class. Gabrielle Clark and her son, William Clark, filed a suit in U.S. District Court of Nevada against public charter school democracy prep Agassi Campus in Vegas on December 22nd, alleging a violation of constitutional free speech and due process rights. William Clark claims that in that class, sociology of change taught by Catherine Bass, who was named as a defendant of the suit, he was harassed and punished for refusing to attach derogatory labels to aspects of his identity. Clark, whose deceased father was white, is generally regarded as white by his peers,

according to the complaint, and has green eyes and blondish hair. The far-right advocacy group International Organization for the Family, which has been tracking the case closely, reports that a U.S. District Court judge said at a February 22nd temporary restraining order hearing, I think William is likely to succeed on the merits of his compelled speech claims, saying that the defendants will have to find a way to justify the critical race theory curriculum under a strict scrutiny test, adding that's a very high bar to meet. In the class taught by Bass, a self-described white Irish American citizen, Clark was allegedly forced to reveal his race, gender, sexual and religious identities and attach labels

to the identities, which the lawsuit claims violated his right to privacy. An instructional slide included in court documents displays dominant groups in American culture as white, male, middle upper class, heterosexual and Protestant Christian, while everyone else is categorized as submissive. Labels like white are associated with bass, are associated by bass with privilege, while words like female and working class are associated with oppressive. It's really twisted, this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a particularly egregious, but this is happening all over the place, you know? Um, and Gabrielle Clark stood up and said, no, no, thanks. I'm not, I'm not going to do this. I was given a similar, one of my colleagues was like,

offered to help educate me. And I took her up on it. I was like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have an open mind. And she handed me a worksheet. And it did have that the oppressed grade was two columns oppressed. And so it was dominant group and subordinated group. And the dominant group only had like one thing like race was white, gender, male, religion, Christian, you know, and then over here, you had all like everybody else in the entire world. And I was like, wow, that was very reductionist view of the world. But that sounds it's very similar to what William experienced.

And I believe, I think he was the only white presenting person in his class, too, which made it especially... Have you taken the privilege test? Where it's like a slider bar and it's like, how white are you? How Christian are you? How old are you? Oh, the intersectionality score? Yeah, something like that.

And then it's like, you are 74 points privileged out of 100. You are very privileged or whatever. That's basically what they're doing. Have you ever seen that image of the three people staying at the fence for the equality versus equity? Of course, the amazing thing about that is is its manipulation. It's the insidiousness of it, where they show that to children. And they explain very simply, hey, we can give, you know, one of the one of the boxes from the tall guy to the short guy, so they can all see right? Well, that's simple. It makes sense. But what happens when you're dealing with race and orientation and national origin and

religion? It's impossible to quantify how standing on top of religion allows you to see a baseball game. So these are the kinds of manipulative tactics they use where you kind of understand it. But here's what I truly despise about this. That equality versus equity argument is about wealth, not race. The person who everyone who gets access to a box to stand on is their access to resources. Giving the shorter person two boxes is giving them access to resources to help them. The argument that we actually need to be having

is about class issues. Well, they do mention working class and middle upper class as part of the oppression scale. But when they when they make everything about your race, that in my opinion, is meant to disrupt actual what's what's the right word for it? I guess social justice, real social justice. Oprah all of a sudden becomes oppressed. She's a billionaire. And then a white homeless veteran is now an oppressor because he's white yeah it's like saying oprah winfrey has more in common with um somebody living in is it east like the marcy projects in new york yeah then then a wealthy white person right clearly that's a false but that's that's that's the kind of narrative they use. Like they they used it with Serena Williams when she had. So she's the famous tennis player when she had a bout of rage, you know, with all due respect, she got angry and she like bounced her tennis racket or something like that.

They they they penal attacking her as the trope of the angry black woman, as opposed to the fact that she just acted out in violation of the rules. And to act like one of the most famous, celebrated and wealthy athletes in the world is in any way oppressed is just shockingly, I don't know, ignorant, in my opinion. But I think it's part of the weaponization that we see from a lot of people. I mean, heaven forbid, there's a large push towards, you know, stripping away the resources of corrupt politicians who somehow make millions of dollars off of their office when they're getting a salary for one hundred seventy four thousand a year and then also become worth fifty million dollars or $5 million or whatever, they don't want you to come after them. So they'll say, hey, don't look at me. It's the white guy. Go yell at that guy in the gutter who's shoveling garbage for a living. He's the real oppressor. They teach it in schools. Yeah, just like Jackie Blair is the dining person who was falsely accused as the real oppressor.

Yeah, the janitor. Yeah. It makes it, this is truly, I mean, people say it all the time this divide and conquer like it makes it impossible for us to organize along class lines and really if we were really talking about power if that's the conversation we want to have then we need to be talking about class definitely i see it it's really interesting donald trump called for two thousand dollar checks for everybody in the stimulus and it was the republican party that said no. And it shows you that Donald Trump really was an insurgent in the Republican Party. They did not like what he had to offer. And then after Donald Trump says $2,000 checks, Joe Biden's like $1,400. You know, he's like, okay, so we already gave you the $600. We're only gonna give you $1,400 right now. But there's something interesting about Trump supporters and left populists in that I don't think Trump supporters care all that much about billionaires. I think there's certainly a

conservative argument against giving the government too much power. So when they talk about wealth taxes, right, it's a big thing we see on the left, the Bernie Sanders crowd, they want a wealth tax. You know, I used to I thought about this. Are you familiar with the wealth tax? Is that Yang? It's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Oh, okay. Yes, right. The billionaire tax or something.

The way it works is they treat wealth like property and tax a percentage of your hard wealth you got to pay for. Now, I've been very critical of this because it makes literally no sense. You know, Jeff Bezos, for instance, I think his total income from Amazon is like $1.3 million per year. His net worth, however, is like $160 billion or whatever or more at this point because Amazon's, you know, gaining a lot of value because of the pandemic. But he can't sell that stock. There's like thresholds and contractual agreements to where he can finally liquidate some of those assets. That means what? If they implement this wealth tax, they're like, Bezos will pay, you know, $3 billion

a year, but he's worth, you know, a hundred and something billion. And it's like, okay, well, where does that billion dollars come from? The government doesn't want stock in Amazon and he can't give it up anyway. It's a violation of the contract. The wealth tax makes no sense. He doesn't have the cash to actually pay for it. We hear a lot from the left. Well, then he should sell his assets. I'm like, he legally can't. The wealth tax makes no sense. He doesn't have the cash to actually pay for it. We hear a lot from the left. Well, then he should sell his assets. I'm like, he legally can't. The wealth tax makes no sense.

At this point, however, I'm kind of like, I don't care. Do it. Let's see what happens. I don't care about Jeff Bezos, Mackenzie Bezos. The only thing where I'm kind of like, I don't know, Elon Musk probably deserves to have a lot of money because that guy's building starships and Starlink and other useful things. Bezos, I don't like. Soros I don't like the Koch brothers, the Mercers, any one of these billionaires. I don't like I think they flood money into politics. They they they subvert the will of the working class. And I think many Trump supporters would much prefer working class individuals have their say so as opposed to billionaires, namely George Soros, who they criticize all the time. But I think we can throw out all the names of Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg,

left-wing billionaires, right-wing billionaires. I don't care for any one of these billionaires. I think we do need to have a reckoning on class issues. The problem is critical race theory disrupts that. The culture war disrupts that. And I think we have a really strong opportunity right now with Biden in office to actually look at some of these anti-woke leftists, many socialists and progressives and be like, which part can we agree on where we think the billionaires

are disrupting the will of the working class and kind of like put a stop to that? You know what I mean? I think, and we've mentioned this many times, critical race theory was introduced by powerful interests who knew it could distract the masses and create a fight that protects them. Right. So there's this comic we love to reference on the show where it's a rich guy in his office. Everything's really pretty outside as an Occupy Wall Street protests are holding a big sign saying Occupy Wall Street. And the rich guys on the phone smiling saying introduce them to identity politics. And that's really what it feels like because I was at Occupy when this happened. It went from, you know, people like Luke Rutkowski, who was on the show for a couple months. Maybe he'll

come back. We'll see. Luke, where are you at? Luke. Where are you at? He's a center-right libertarian. I'm center-left libertarian. We agree on these libertarian issues, not liking the elites, the authoritarians. We met at Occupy Wall Street because these people were down there

until the critical race theorists show up and started segregating people based on race. And then you saw people leave and get angry. That was the ultimate slap in the face and the insult, especially to a lot of younger white idealistic individuals who are now being told it was their fault. And they're like, yo, I'm here at Occupy Wall Street with you. It's like too bad. That happened to me literally. I went to Occupy Wall Street with the Constitution.

I was going to read it. And they were like, hey hey the news is here i was like oh good i'll go get on the news and tell them about the constitution and how we need to break the federal reserve up they're like no there's too many white people have spoken to the news i just lost my mind i got on stage and screamed that i'm not white and no one is black or white these shades don't exist in our pigmentation or skin color and people looked at me like dumbfounded and then the next girl that went up was like i am a black woman who and i was just like i give up on this i give up i can't i can't fight the crowd you have to find another way but man it is being silenced not the answer it was a it was a brilliant attack vector in my opinion accusing

people who oppose racism of being the true racists yeah you know the other problem is the left right thing um just the massive fear of of people on the and i i know these the terms are probably meaningless that's kind of the point but people are classical liberals right who are on the left who are like the ground has now shifted. Hold on. Classical liberal is a right wing position. Yeah. So. Right. So.

So people confuse the tradition, like the actual classical liberalism of like John Locke with saying. Nineties Democrat liberal, you know what I mean? So right and left is another attack vector thing. Right. Doesn't really exist. Well, yeah, it does. It does. Use those words to divide us to divide the colloquialisms

of left and right are confused and meaningless so there's social liberalism which is like democrats in the 90s sent slightly that's what i mean social liberalist social liberalism right it's so okay this is this is the liberalism of like martin luther king jr expanded civil rights civil rights protections and and social programs. But social liberalism is not social democracy or democratic socialism or socialism.

Social liberalism is like center left, meaning some programs sometimes. And then classical liberalism is like not that many programs, but maybe a little bit. Yeah, that's right. Classical liberalism

is like smaller government. Yeah, it's very much like libertarianism. Yeah yeah and then social liberalism is you think we should have the 1964 civil rights act you think unemployment benefits and a social safety net is a good thing my i do i believe all of those things i just think conservatives have fair criticisms of these programs in that they become bloated congested and and corrupt over too long. And so we need to reassess. I think liberal and conservative is another attack vector thing dividing us because I'm both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really and I see there's so many people. I mean, like, I know you all know this well, but I was still a little surprised when I went on Tucker Carlson,

you know, I made my video and I said in my video, I'm a lifelong liberal. And I went on Tucker and Tucker's like lifelong liberal, Jody Shaw, how many emails I got afterwards saying, you know, I was with you, but then you went on Tucker and he's right wing. So I can't, I'm not for, I'm not with you anymore. Even though my message had not changed at all. And so that's when I realized this is a big problem is that people who otherwise would be able to see this stuff in their midst, the CRC stuff and be like, well, this is wrong, but they're still kind of confused. If they're so scared of if they go off the script of being associated with the right. And that fear is so big. I mean,

there's like, it's like an epithet to be called right wing to, to some, to some liberals, identity politics to say, I am a fill in the blank is identity politics to say I am center is identity politics. I am left identity.

I am a Democrat identity. That's identity crap. Yes, we need to, we need to. We need to drop it. There's a quote from Andrew Breitbart that I think you should hear. I wonder what your opinion is on Andrew Breitbart. I don't know.

Yes, he's a Breitbart magazine, right? Website. He passed some years ago, but he said, walk toward the fire. Don't worry about what they call you. All those things are set against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you're sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.

Love it. There was another quote, which was either a derivative of this or spawned from it, where that, you know, I've often misattributed to Breitbart, but it's similar. Walk towards the fire. People think that once you get to the fire, you'll be burned. But in reality, you'll pass through and see freedom on the other side. Yeah, I've heard that quote before. That's true. I think that I've experienced that. So these people are scared. And there's a lot of there's a lot of like, you know moderate leftist personalities and how i shouldn't say leftist like traditional and classical liberal types that are absolutely

terrified of finding themselves in a in league with conservatives but if you live that way then you're living on your knees so i don't care i i i had a uh there's probably some hit piece coming out against uh about me soon probably and i get this thing where they're like tim pool has hosted alex jones and enrique tarrio and these people they like to do this thing where they're like here's a photo of tim pool sitting down at a bar with the alt right and i'm like uh-huh and i don't care i really don't i've you know they they come at me and they're like, can you explain this photo, Tim? Yeah. I talked to people. That's about it. I'll talk to whoever I feel like talking about. I don't care about what they call me. I don't care about what they

think. I literally do not care. I just don't. And, and if you do, you are being held back because they have no control over you. They don't. Now, look, I get it. I think there's a lot of people who are like, I don't want to lose my job. I'm comfortable. But if you think keeping your head down will keep you safe, you are wrong. They will come for you eventually.

I mean, you kind of explained that in your story before where you thought if you just went along with things and kind of kept your head down. Yeah. That's how you felt. Yeah, they will come for you. I mean, these you can't it's getting to a point where you are it's compelled. I mean, look at the Clark v. Democracy. That's about compelled speech. This is now we are now not talking about like suppression of speech. We're talking about there. You're going to be asked to say things that you do not necessarily believe in as a continued condition of your employment or you're getting a good grade.

You're going to lose your job unless you bend the knee. So if you would rather live on your knees than fight on your feet, well, then so be it. That's what you deserve. And it's what you want. And far be it from me to criticize you for doing it. No, you should criticize because that lends to the problem. It exacerbates the problem.

Don't do it. Listen, I'm not here to recreate the environment they've created. They want to create this environment where they terrify you into dropping to your knees. I don't want to create an environment where you're terrified of my side. I'm going to tell you this. You do your thing. If you do right, I've got your back. But if you want to live on your knees, I'm not going to criticize you or pressure you.

I mean, no, no, I'll criticize you. I'll criticize you. But I'm not going to create the same environment where you are not welcome. If you want to live in this world where you are at the behest of the woke cult with no real ideology, just strange, do as the tribe says or else, that's up to you. You're welcome to come on the show. You want to taste it? Yeah. If you want to taste it and then come tell your personal story about how bad it sucked, go for it.

But don't do it. Get up off your feet. I think it's very simple. Off your knees. I grew up in Chicago. Off your toes. Off your toes. I grew up super far left.

I was a skateboarder. I was an anarchist. I was listening to all the punk rock music. And then I thought the system – I hated the system. I had been messed with by cops before. So I was all just like cops are corrupt. The system is broken. It's terrible. The war machine. And then I got older and realized there's nuance in ways to deal with these problems. But having grown up kind of in, not necessarily the gutter, but in a sense, guttery conditions. I've also been homeless

a couple times. There's nothing anyone can take from me. I don't care. You have nothing over me. Oh, you can take my job away. So what? What's the worst case scenario? Been there, done that. I'm not worried about it. And so I'm free to speak my mind. I'm not scared. But there are a lot of people who are scared because they're going to lose everything. Well, also, because there's that fire, you know, this fear. It's not just about losing your job. It's about literally being cast out of your herd. And I think that's partially why this ideology is so effective. It hooks into this.

That's a primal fear, like getting cast out. You're going to get eaten by a lion. Exactly. Humans are social. Shaming. Yes. We are social creatures. We survive with cooperation.

So when you're out on your own, you are in a very risky position. But together, we're strong. The threat is you will be excised. Well, let me tell everybody who's listening. There's very clearly an infrastructure built where you will survive opposing the cult of wokeness. We're all here. We're having a good time.

In fact, I got to tell you, I'm doing all right for myself. I love when they try claiming grifter, right? I'm sure they call you a grifter because you raised all this money. Yes. What's easier? Losing your job, freaking out your friends, becoming a social pariah in your in your industry, in your community, or going along, pushing the narrative and just milking it for all it's worth. What's safer? Being a woke neoliberal leftist promoting Joe Biden and the Democrat message to make money on the platforms that you have no risk of being banned for or challenging the system and facing a real risk of getting your shows deleted every single day or getting fired from your job and crossing your fingers that there will be people who agree with you to donate to your GoFundMe.

They call you a grifter, yet at the same time, they do literally the same thing, plus they have institutional support. Not only do these woke leftists who try and pull some BS at schools, they've raised $80,000 in several instances. They've raised tens of thousands of dollars. They then get propped up by magazines, by newspapers. These same people can appear on Jimmy Kimmel and these late night shows. They're not going to do that for you.

Tucker Carlson will. And then people will get freaked out. So which is easier? You want to talk about the real grift? It's the YouTubers who are on the left. It's the YouTubers who tow the party line and the establishment line, knowing they will never get banned for this and have nothing to worry about and can milk it for all it's worth, even when they put out fake news. The real risk, they call it the grift. They're only saying that

because they want to stop you dead in your tracks, like Breitbart said. Now, speaking out against the establishment is as risky as you can get, because we know people get banned. They get shut down. I mean, GoFundMe froze your account for an administrative reason, mind you but gofundme has deleted the the the fundraisers for many conservatives it's not it's not it's not a grift yeah it's interesting though how it gets framed you're talking about these other youtubers these social justice warriors they frame it as if they're counterculture they're they're fighting against the power you know and it's like they don't i don't know if it's hard for me to believe that they don't understand that they are part of the power that that this is the establishment

they are literally the power it's like since when was since when was the group aligned with the the major political parties well the democrats at least and like coca-cola the resistance yeah that's right you know coca-cola nike and you know the company the aclu i mean every just about every major institution in this country and every every major news outlet just about mainstream media i really really love wokeness in these companies that use slave labor because it's just like they're like we're here because we think racism is wrong meanwhile they're literally operating sweatshops that pay like a quarter an hour or whatever. Just like awful conditions, hiring paramilitary groups to go in and suppress workers rights groups in foreign countries. Amazing. It's just business tactics. But I mean, I often wonder about the true believers. I remember at Smith, I could kind of get in. I mean, I talked to a lot of people in hallways, but you can kind of tell who the true believers

are. You kind of just get a vibe when you're talking about the stuff and the eye contact. I think it's a very small percentage. I don't think there are such things as true believers. Well, Gandhi was. No, no. I think there's just like mindless tribal zealots. And what they really believe is, look, there's nothing to believe in critical race theory.

The theory itself makes no sense. I'll give you an example. Six months ago, Asians were white. They were called white adjacent. They were called literally white. The argument was that white is a social structure and not a race. Therefore, Asians were white. We were joking on this show in response to the narrative. I was double white. Well, then something changed.

And now, you know, these hate crimes started happening because of the COVID stuff and for a variety of reasons. Now there's the stop Asian hate movement, which good mind you. I respect that. I think hate crimes are wrong. But now all of a sudden Asians are minorities again. So what happened is you have some individuals. There's one woman who at her, at her school, she's a member of a school board, I think in like Sacramento was disparaging Asians, calling them racial slurs.

Well, because it was allowed in 2016, Asians were white. Universities were discriminated against them legally because they were overprivileged. Now that that's changed, they're calling for her resignation, but she's a black woman. So there are people like James Lindsay who point out when a black woman is getting canceled for racism towards Asian, the structure is inverting. It's like collapsing on itself. I don't necessarily think it's collapsing. I think it's just proof that there are literally no ideals or principles and they can change on a dime to fit

the needs of the cult. So they'll say six months ago, well, no, Asians aren't actually minorities. They're privileged white people that make tons of money and they go to universities. Hate crimes happen. Now it's beneficial to them again. They change the narrative and sacrifice their own zealots who believe their own narratives. So there's no core ideology. There's no true believers, just tribal zealots who will do whatever the tribe says, which is why it's very difficult to interview these people outside of their safe spaces. Do you think that's why I've been wondering about the popularity of zombie movies for a long time? Right to the analogy i think i think i've been wondering like why are zombie movies so popular i started

thinking this a few years ago and now i'm like maybe maybe it has something to do with this they have a deep down they have a desire to just be the zombie they want like so we all watch zombie movies terrified and they watch it longingly like, oh, to be a zombie and just not have a brain anymore and not have to think. The CDC's been putting out zombie stuff about zombies. And like, I think it's a dehumanization effort, maybe consciously, maybe subconsciously. I don't know. But I think that's a joke.

If people start starving and are on the street eating other human bodies because they're starving to death. And then it's like, it's okay to kill them because they're zombies. I think CDC is trying to be silly and put out a joke. Yeah, like in the Holdemere in the USSR in like, I don't know, it was 30s or 40s or something, 50s maybe, that people were starving to death and eating humans. Yes, yes. And it was, you know, that happens.

So I think that it is a desensitization movement. Maybe not. Maybe it's intentional. I never thought it was before. I think you're reading way too much into a joke. Yeah, it's so weird that I went so deep on that desensitization movement. Maybe not. Maybe it's intentional. I never thought it was before. I think you're reading way too much into it. Yeah, it's so weird that I went so deep on that. I don't know. I think there's something there is something incredibly dehumanizing about CRT.

Definitely. It reduces us to racial objects or commodities even. It treats you like a member of a hive collective that has no individuality. And it's really interesting. It's almost like Invasion of a hive collective that has no individuality. And that it's really interesting. It's almost like invasion of the body snatchers. These people almost just I mean, obviously care about themselves. They want power for themselves, but they get sacrificed. Like I mentioned, that woman on the school board now being told to resign because of anti-Asian racism.

They don't care. The hive will will will cut off whatever it needs to to gain power. So when you join this, you are quite literally a mindless cog, a mindless gnat swarming in the hive whose strength is derived from each individual cog. But they'll swat you and destroy you. I was thinking about. So what the interesting thing is, I wonder, I wonder about this. You know, I think there is a there are a lot of lines as to what divides the culture war.

Authoritarian versus libertarian, nationalist versus globalist, collectivist versus individualist and ideologue versus like pragmatist or things like this. And there's there's no clear dividing line. They all play a role in this. But I will say there are many people who are, when you say true believers, I don't think they actually believe in anything other than they're a part of the cult. So that's what I want to clarify. They obviously believe in the cult,

but there's no real ideology or principles to believe in. The structure is amorphous and makes little sense. But they are propped up by cowards, by people who say, I'm going to keep my head down and I'll be fine. They won't be. They'll sacrifice their own. Obama called it a circular firing squad. So they're only propped up by two groups of people, in my opinion.

For one, they have their ranks for sure. But the two people are those who are mindless, ignorant to's going on they have no idea and so they're just like i don't know whatever you see these people on twitter saying cancel culture is not real and there's like regular people i see like on instagram there was a there's a skateboarding account uh one of the most prominent in the world called the barracks and they tweeted what are your thoughts on cancel culture and i saw some like 17 year old kid who's like a skateboarder saying cancel culture is not real the kid has no idea what he's talking about his photos were like fishing and skateboarding clearly he's not experienced or watched anything that's going on so he genuinely doesn't believe it and so he jumps

in and defends them ignorantly but then you have people who know exactly what's happening and are like well I'd rather be on this side because I think they're going to win. In the end, they won't. But they're hoping that when the dust settles and the conflict ends, I'll tell you this. These people have one thing right. We, the people who believe in individual liberties and freedoms and civil rights, we're the good guys.

Historically, the ones who fought for civil rights, freedom, liberty, etc. have always been the good guys, at least in recent history. And they know if we win, they'll be fine. What are we going to do? You know, some some woke person comes out and goes, I was wrong about being woke. I'm so sorry. Yep. Guess what?

All the anti-woke people are going to be like, thank you. But what happens to the anti-woke should the woke win? What do you think? Yeah, I saw that. The grimace. Yeah, it's not just what's going to happen to the anti-woke should the woke win? What do you think? Yeah, I saw that. The grimace. The grimace. Yeah, it's not just what's going to happen to the anti-woke. It's going to happen to the woke, too.

Absolutely. We see cultural revolutions. I mean, all the intelligentsia. I'll call this the... It's something I've brought up before, but I'll call it the intersectionalist wager. If you are anti-woke and the anti-woke win, you're fine. If you are woke and the anti-woke win, you are fine. But if you are woke and the woke win, you're at risk, but you're going to keep your head down. Hopefully you'll be safe.

But if you're anti-woke and the woke win, they'll come for you and they'll destroy your life. So ultimately, you look at this equation and you have many people saying the safer bet is to pretend to be woke because in the event that the anti-woke side wins, they're not going to do anything bad to me. But if you challenge wokeness, the woke will absolutely destroy you. I think it's a bad bet. I agree.

I think more importantly, whether it's a bad bet or not, I think it's a bad bet. I agree. I think more importantly, whether it's a bad bet or not, I think there's reasons to believe it is. I just think it's morally unsound and I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. And how about another great quote

from Zapata, or what's his name? Zapato, what's his name? Emilio Zapatista. Oh, that weird last name, yeah. He said, I would rather be a slave to principles than a slave to men. And that guy's a leftist. That guy was a socialist revolutionary.

But those quotes are meaningful. So I wonder, will you just bend the knee and be a servant to this cult? You know, I was thinking about identity, Cause I was talking poorly about it earlier about like, I'm on the left. I'm a, I'm a Democrat, whatever. And it's,

it's insanity to, to like stake who you are based off of some label. But in the same rate, I'm a Crossland. That's my last name. I'm an, a human, I'm a human.

That's, that's an identity. I'm playing identity games. When I say I'm a humanity is a real thing, dude. Yeah. And it keeps us sane. So these people are like finding sanity in identifying with a group. Now, I think it's too meticulous to say the color of the skin starts to have to do with it because I think it's more of a class issue personally.

Like Gandhi, he revolted against the white British imperialists, but he was revolting against the conquest and the capitalizing of his country it wasn't didn't matter what color the skins were now hopefully I think we can take that moving forward I wish I had something more uh profound to say after that awesome you go back to the question of God listen when you go back far enough and nations and cultures were divine were race, like countries were literally a group of people who were one race. It's easy to see how racism emerged because they were like, I know who's in my country and who will protect me. And that person looks different. But we're now in an era of she can fly across the planet in a matter of hours. We live in a country that's the great American melting pot. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream was correct.

His point was correct. The civil rights movement was correct. In order for us to now function in this amazing new reality, we have to treat people, we have to treat them based on the content of their character and the color of their skin. Or their political affiliation. Well, I disagree. Why? I think Nazis. Yeah yeah but not all nazis were evil oh come on no just because they identified with that party didn't make them evil some of them like hated the violence if you are a cog in that machine that is you know advocating for

genocide i'm sorry i'm going to discriminate against you it's like that you guys say the chinese communist party a lot of those people aren't aren't evil or yes they are stuck in that system no no no no you join the chinese communist party you know what threat of gut at threat of no you don't regular citizens don't have to join and become party members well the chinese communist party something they choose to be a part of listen i think most politics i can respect within certain boundaries but there are political factions I don't care for and I'm not going to defend. Yeah, true. Good point. Good point. I'm talking about the conservative liberal thing that Ian

was referring to earlier, that liberals and maybe conservatives do need to get over. I don't think we have any hope of toppling this woke invasion unless we can link arms with each other yeah i'll double down i i think that maybe the the ideology of the nazi party is dangerous but the individuals aren't necessarily no just because they affiliate with something the problem is conservatives are not nazis and the woke left and the establishment establishment machine claimed they were and then they used a very natural predisposition for regular people who hate racism bigotry and genocide you go to a regular person and say would you link at arms with a nazi and they're going to say no way right because they're afraid of completely agree they're afraid of the word nazi now i'm not talking about i'm talking about a literal uniform wearing Nazi. They don't exist, dude. Okay, Ian.

My point is, there are neo-Nazis with tattoos and swastikas on their chests. I will never join with them in any capacity politically. But you said you were up in Berkeley and you met an Antifa guy. And I interviewed a guy about certain things. Some guy that was Antifa, but he actually was cool. So is that Antifa guy advocating for wiping out of people based on their race not that guy but i mean a lot of those people are dangerous but not everyone that identifies with antifa is dangerous i don't think you understand and there's no point going in circle so moving on yeah we'll have to do a show on this

the point i'm making is that there are political factions i will never i i think you're taking it too far that's too extreme okay you go you go link arms with the nazis congratulations bro people can be look at what's his name uh never gonna daryl davis people can be retrofitted there there are communists you got people out of the clan there are there are hard communists and there are neo-nazis that i'm not going what about klu klux klan daryl davis should have not done what he did he got people to throw their robes away are you saying he joined them in in their no no no he met with them and talked with them like i did with the alt-right in in in portland not saying go join the clan i'm saying we are talking about the individuals in you're not understanding the conversation okay jody is talking about linking arms with certain groups to resist wokeness

there are the nazis were white identitarians why would i join identitarians to fight identitarians it's never going to happen yeah it's it's kind of the similar thing right or let's call it authoritarianism well there's a difference though right so well i'm sure there is that i don't know but look i'm there could be libertarian identitarians and i'm not a fan of their ideology and i think it's wrong granted i'll give them more respect and not beating and caging and killing people for sure the authoritarians are the ones who do that but identitarianism in my opinion is a problem and they're i'm not gonna i agree i i agree it's a problem um i guess to me i basically when i think this this wokeness is a form of authoritarianism. Clearly.

Absolutely. And that things like and you could argue the same for the Nazis, neo-Nazis. Right. That's that's authoritarianism as well. Like that's the all anything that's identitarianism. Right. Is like. Well, you can be you can be a woke uh you can be woke and be libertarian in that you would calmly and peacefully advocate for your beliefs and say these things oh yeah

without forcing people yes without insulting them without coercing them or beating them when you see antifa who are identitarian because antifa is a nebulous term when you see leftist identitarian groups going around beating people and many antifa are you know but the flag is a nebulous term. When you see leftist identitarian groups going around beating people, and many Antifa are, you know, but the flag is a nebulous reference to like communism, then, you know, you can have someone, actually, let me say this, because I've said it before. I met a communist guy in Berkeley, and he told me Antifa was wrong for beating and attacking people, and that true communism would never support that. And I was like, all right, well, there you go.

We can break bread and have a conversation. I think his ideology is bad. That's that guy I would never support that. And I was like, all right, well, there you go. We can break bread and have a conversation. I think his ideology is bad. I think your ideology is bad. But if you're not authoritarian, then we're all right. The problem is communism itself is arguably authoritarian because the libertarian spectrum of the left doesn't scale up into large numbers. Anybody who truly wants a communist society will never implement it without force. It doesn't work. It doesn't scale. So libertarian versus authoritarian, I think, is a different argument, but a deserving one. You know, authoritarianism is bad. That's the problem. It centralizes power. It corrupts

systems and it causes them to break down, which is why all of these communist countries fail. However, the Chinese Communist Party learned from the failures of these other countries, implemented capitalist policies and institutions to protect their party control and authoritarianism in their country. And they're a weird kind of pseudo communism, I guess. It's an authoritarian regime. It doesn't matter what you call it, fascist, communist, whatever. It's one party rule and they oppress their people to get

what they want. Yeah, and that's why I think the left-right distinction is meaningless when authoritarianism comes to town. Left-right's kind of a luxury of a functioning democracy or however imperfect. I think it's divide and conquer. Yeah, the communists

use it. Mao used it. They talk about rightists a bunch. When you see... Really? Mao? When you see conservatives, and, you know, right now there's a big gun control thing going on on Twitter. There was... Kyle Kalinske tweeted a poll about gun control.

He was like, gun control. Should we have strict regulation, light regulation, no regulation, ban guns? Most of his followers said strict regulation, but a ton of his followers who are leftists said, quote, under no pretext. That is the left, the leftist version of shall not be infringed. So many people on the right will reference the Second Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. And they'll quote that and they'll respond to people when talking about gun control. For the leftists, it's Karl Marx who said, under no pretext should ammunition and arms be surrendered. The working class should frustrate any attempt, even by force if necessary. So the

leftist reference Marx saying, don't give up your guns. And the right references the Constitution saying, we can keep our guns. And it's interesting then when these two factions could probably agree and have something meaningful linking arms and going against the establishment, the corporatists, the authoritarians. So I look at, you know, I got I got into a mini argument with Cameron Kasky, who is one of the Parkland kids, and he's very pro gun control. But I think the general assessment is he's not really pro gun control. He's just trolling on Twitter. So I'm like, OK, he's not really pro-gun control. He's just trolling on Twitter. So I'm like, okay, maybe I walked into that and he was trolling me. But his position is authoritarian right, the seizure of weapons, because even the authoritarian left commies are like pro-gun. There's only one faction. It's like authoritarian centrist and

right-leaning that want to take people's guns away. So to see like these establishment personalities basically advocating for authoritarian right-wing positions, well, there you go. You know what the problem is, I suppose. The left and the right, actual, you know, populists, and even the Antifa types who are authoritarian, all agree we should have our guns. Karl Marx said it.

You even got authoritarian left saying people can keep their guns. So how can we make that happen then? I think people can be de-radicalized i love this daryl davis are you familiar with his story no is that that was was that the movie i don't think they made a movie daryl davis is a jazz musician he's a black man and he went to clan rallies and then talked to them and through conversation and being friends de-radicalized them yeah i knew daryl Davis is. But he quite literally opposed them every step of the way and was extremely critical of their beliefs.

Yeah, you got to. I mean, you got to. So there's a difference between linking arms with somebody and going to their face and saying you're wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Not not approaching the crowd, but the individuals is a really, really great story. You're gonna love it. Daryl Davis, a black man sitting in a truck with a white Klan member and the Klan member made a disparaging comment about the genetics of black people.

Daryl Davis told him he was wrong. He was like, that's not true. He's like, I'm not the way you describe, you know, black people. And he said the Klan member told him, oh, it's because your genes are recessive. So then Daryl looks at the Klan member and says, did you know that there's a gene in white people to make them predisposed to be serial killers and the Klan member was like what that's not true and Daryl said name a black serial killer

and then the Klan guy was like wait a minute and then he was like but I'm not a serial killer and then Daryl responded oh it's recessive in you and it was a really great smackdown of this guy who didn't quite understand what he was talking about and then that guy that's that's one of daryl davis's stories through conversations telling these guys you're wrong one of the one of the most amazing stories he had was that he met this clan member who was a big rock and roll fan and there was this famous car i guess i don't know a

lot about the cars and daryl being a you know a well-known musician was like oh yeah i can get you to go and check out that car i can get you into that you know museum whatever to see it and like sitting or whatever and this clan guy all of a sudden was like no way daryl brings him to this i guess it was a museum or whatever and he gets to see this legendary vehicle from a rock and roll legend and this clan guy just had this profound moment where he was like i can't believe it you know everything they were telling us was not true daryl davis just did this like made his life like it was a dream come true. And it was a it was, you know, a black guy who did it. The racist narratives are lies. And so I challenge I question anybody who's trying to divide us and make us fight each other. And I

really do think a large component is powerful special interests, elites, billionaires, the billionaires and the millionaires who have an interest in making us fight each other instead of them. When they're dumping hundreds of millions of dollars like tom steyer into our elections to subvert our rights and he did steyer was flooding flooding the zone with all this money to strip away our right to bear arms and leftists and conservatives agree we have a right to do that that's the problem bernie's right about that i wish he was more vocal on the millionaire's part i guess he's bringing it back. But that story you told, I mean, Daryl Davis, that

was an individual, those were individual conversations. It's not like he was up in front of a group trying to convince the whole group. The part of it is getting people out of the the, you called it a cult, getting them alone, I guess, and developing a relation,

humanizing, humanizing the other side. If it's a non-theistic religion. So when I was talking to James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, Helen Pluckrose a few years ago when they did the Sokol squared thing, and the way Peter Boghossian described it was it's a religion. And when people said there's no deity, and he says, Buddhism doesn't have a deity either. So it's a non-theistic religion. They follow, it's no deity. And he says, Buddhism doesn't have a deity either. So it's a non-theistic religion.

They follow. It's very similar. They have, you know, they shun the disbelievers. There's some form of confession, I guess. That doesn't seem to work. Original sin. Yeah, there's original sin. Privilege.

I got a feeling it's like a dam built up with like this energy flow that's blockaded by this like racist or ideology and if you chip away at it piece by piece like person by person and have the conversations eventually it cracks and bursts open and there will be a flood of like this energy that we're trying to free this yeah it's like a house of cards like it just pull out a few is that what you're talking about yeah you know the problem is we're the good guys we're playing by the rules we're trying to be honest we're trying to recognize our own faults and our goodwill is being exploited by con artists deceivers manipulators and zealots they can cheat because they don't care to them the ends justify the means to us we're trying to create a better world so they can exploit that goodwill they can exploit free speech for instance i for instance have defended the free speech of the left and the right.

And I love it when they post, we're all the conservatives defending the free speech of, you know, the BDS movement. And I'm like, I'm right here. I'm, I'm, you know, or I'm, I'm the free speech individual, not, not the conservative or anything, but they don't, they don't return the same favor. When a good example, when a journalist at the New York times was being heavily criticized by all these outlets, the media calls it a harassment campaign. When the same media then targets a harassment campaign against conservative individuals, they all laugh and gloat.

So I can sit here and be like, stop name dropping people to drive, you know, a flood of emails their way. It's a waste of time. Criticize the institutions. It's meaningless to them. They don't care. they're not going to praise me they're going to respect me for doing that but i do it because it's the right thing to do they won't return that which means we are at a very serious disadvantage yeah it's it's an information war really i like internet video because you can reach individuals in mass yeah the internet yeah the video i made was was did very well in terms of views like a lot of people saw it and resonated with it and i'm very

happy um that i i hear from people now who are saying you know that was that helped me um and i i don't think everyone can just wake up and make a video, but I always tell people, uh, you can, part of what Helen Pluckrose is doing right with counterweight, counterweight support. This is an organization in the UK that helps people affected by woke ideology in their workplace or their school is that she has a community there where people can talk to other people and essentially deprogram. Because when you're in an environment where you're sitting at a table and somebody says, you know, rich white women, rich white women, and nobody says anything, you kind of think maybe I'm crazy. Maybe like you start to doubt what's reality, what's real. And you start to think, am I racist? Like, because I think that's unprofessional.

So I think it's really important to find at least one other person you can talk to to get a reality check. And Counterweight does that really well. And I think we need more ways to find each other. So when people do speak out, they become like lightning rods, like emails pouring. Jonathan Kaye, the Quillette journalist was talking about this about how whenever he publishes an article about higher education, all these faculty and students write to him and say, Hey, here's my story. And I can't and I'm afraid. And so it's like they need a way to find each other, like instead of just going to the one person who spoke out, we don't have any infrastructure to support. I mean. Our entire infrastructure has been captured.

We don't have any infrastructure to support these people. And that's a major problem. It's starting to get built? It's starting to get built. Decentralized too, so that central servers can't shut you down. If it threatens the narrative, they'll try

and pull the plug. Yeah, I heard about that. There's somebody working on some software. There's a lot of cool stuff plug. Yeah, I heard about that. There's somebody working on some software. There's a lot of cool stuff. We're working on RSS3. There's PocketNet is doing stuff. Yeah, they sponsor the show periodically. Very cool decentralized apps. Mines has something called Nomad that's kind of a project that Mines is working on.

There's a lot. I mean, the decentralized movement is huge right now. That's going to be very helpful. Yeah. ISPs are still centralized, which is a problem. So we'll have to eventually build a decentralized ISP internet service provider. I think the infrastructure gets built when we get people to just stand up for themselves and start building it. And so long as there are people who are cowering in fear, understanding what's happening, but

not wanting to stick their necks out, then, you know, there you go. Another good one is Odyssey. It's like a decentralized data flow service they specialize in video right now it's it's it's almost like it's like the matrix in a lot of ways yeah how can we get more people to stand out i know aaron kins kinswater kinds of order kinswater i'm friends with him i i don't know how to pronounce sorry aaron yeah the professor faculty at university of vermont he he made a video recently talking about – he's calling it a secular religion. Yeah.

And I'm just – Now they're demanding his resignation. Yeah. Well, there was a change.org petition going around, but then somebody, Karlyn Borisenko, started another one calling for him to be – to have the job of the diversity, inclusion, equity czar or whatever. I mean, the diversity, inclusivity and equity position is itself like a chaplain. It's like these institutions are appointing religious affirmation officials to these organizations. I'm guessing they're probably very well paid. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The religion is infecting these institutions.

And they're creating jobs for them. And people don't resist. They're just allowing their religion to sweep over. The best way I can find to help to bring light to these people is to play the long game like the Chinese Communist Party

or other intelligent long-term. But you've got to make videos. Every day, I would do two, three videos a day. You start to build this following of people that are really listening to you. And then you have the opportunity to bring other people in like what tim's doing with this show and you can start talking on on air like on the video yeah with other and you

find people like you that are experiencing it firsthand and you shine the light on it and then it just grows so fast like people like boots on the ground like other like giving them a platform and making them feel supported yes not just that but one of the things we're working on outside of this show is we're planning the vlog which is going to be a vlog of the house and crazy shenanigans and we got chickens and they're small skateboarding skateboarding and uh now rollerblading as well for the aggressive inline people who have been asking us about wanting to come. Absolutely. You're all invited. And BMX, too.

BMX, too. I want to make this a fun place for everybody to come and, you know, periodically enjoy various things. Music, comedy, whatever it is for building culture. We're going to do that kind of stuff so that people can have an opportunity to build culture and show people. The other side of that fire, having a good time you guys go get locked down in your cubicle apartments in new york city and drop to your knees and pray to your your your woke um you know diversity inclusivity and diversity inclusivity and equity officer and we're going to be rocking out some you know old school rock and roll and writing new music and i want bacon bread chickens are going to be everywhere you know clucking and jumping and there's cats doing cat stuff and uh we're gonna be doing tray flips and tail whips and macchio grinds or whatever and

just having a good time so i must say i i have met i i forgot what it was like to be able to talk with people openly and that's right like i i've made so many friends since I came out. I lost a lot of friends. You can watch George Carlin again. I can do whatever I want. How's your state of mind shifting? You mentioned earlier. That is a good question. When I made that first video, it was just such a relief.

I think about my uncle. Sorry, I just went away from the mic. My uncle, it's a sad story he he's he's gay he's dead now but he was gay and um he had a family he was married and had children and he didn't actually come out until he was like in his 60s and he he was so much happier to me. And it kind of feels maybe like that. Like, it just felt like I cannot... You are going to get grossed into that. Yeah, probably.

They're going to be like, how dare you compare being anti-woke to... But I hear what you're saying. Maybe I can say it because that's stressful. No, I think you're... I agree with you. Yeah, I mean, the secret, the telling yourself that the internal policing causes great psychic damage.

And I'm not doing that anymore. And somebody said something about totalitarianism, that it's not a top-down movement, that it's a bottoms-up, that people start internally policing themselves first. And then somebody just steps in. That's how it happens. And that's what I was doing. I was internally policing myself. And it's a very damaging. I mean, a lot of people in the cultural revolution, we had a lot of suicides and in Soviet Russia

to like a lot of people committed suicide. They went crazy. This stuff, even in their own family, they they're like people have to stand up now before it's too late and hopefully speaking up is you know the first thing hopefully we're not too late there there's some there's some news stories that make me optimistic sometimes i'm pessimistic but when you look at them eating themselves they're looking for things to cancel start canceling each other you know i think i'm fairly optimistic but uh how about we jump over to these super chats what do you guys say oh yeah if you haven't already smash the like button because it really

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Stay behind the scenes. Yeah, there's like a dozen employees now at this company. We're growing like crazy. Wow. We got a lot coming. A lot more people. We are narrowing down our search for a paranormal podcast producer, so a new show. Paranormal?

Oh, definitely, yeah. I mean, we talk about DMT and God and all that stuff way too much. But we're going to be talking about ghost stories and theories. I really want to get academics. And I want to have researchers in the paranormal, legitimate academic university researchers who are not the kooky TV show types. So we're doing all that stuff. And it's actually it's actually happening.

The new site might be up even by the end of this week. And then with the new site, we're going to bring on writers and there's going to start being articles on, you know, moderate liberal cultural commentary from other people. So it's going to be like there's so many conservative sites like the daily wire the daily caller the blaze where's like the anti-woke anti-establishment liberal version for like regular moderate individuals well i hopefully i think we'll actually put that together and you know we'll see how it rolls christina h says tim has inspired me to get chickens we did in fact get chickens i love the chickens i hung out today for the first

time the best. So we have the chicken city, but right now they're confined to one building in the chicken city because they're still very small and we're just getting them used to it. So I'm going to go check on them afterwards and make sure they're okay. We've got some motion sensor lights to scare away predators. We've got the fence double layered.

Might not be enough. Still going to be nervous. Yeah, we're still worried. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coyotes, raccoons. We were feeding them bugs earlier. Yes. It's hardcore. They're great. Still going to be nervous. Yeah, we're still worried. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coyotes, raccoons. Before feeding them bugs earlier? Yes. It's hardcore. They're great. They're omnivorous, but man, they will rip bugs apart.

Stink bugs are everywhere. They'll chase each other. Stink bugs are all over the place. They're invasive, they're massive, and they're everywhere, and they're really dumb and slow, but apparently the chickens just, they see it,

and they can see the bug before I can. It's amazing. And they just zoom at it, and they all fight over it. Yeah, great. I wonder if we made like tracks if they would go on a chicken race with the one in the lead with the bug in his mouth. Amazing. Like running circles around.

That'd be so fun. I already have a favorite. They're so cute. Here we go. Zachary Bird says, ban Dodge Ram 2500s. Vehicle of choice for DUIs. Oh. 4.95% source in Certify.com.

Mom's demand, high capacity DUI vehicles control now. All white men own large trucks. I actually have a Ram 2500. It's banned. Oh, it's nice. We got it because we're going to be going on tour. And the plan is at some point to take an RV. So we do this show on the road in a variety of cities

we stay in one city for a week then friday night we do a live show at a venue we do the podcast in an actual venue with the audience and they can you know yell things or whatever and then we can yell back and say oh that sounds awesome yeah so we're thinking right now the plan is for the first trip's going to be nashville for one week then we travel over the weekend to austin then back to nashville and then back home because we're on the east coast and um then from from then on we'll try like florida and we'll we'll we'll slowly branch out and we stay we stay a week in that city so we can get a variety of guests from the area so nashville works out really well there's tons of you know daily wires there i guess but then there's a lot of people in Nashville, so that'll be really fun.

All right, let's see. Erica Baum says, high five, Tim, for doing real conversation. I know you have your own opinions here, but this is some of the truest journalism type stuff we have. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, hopefully, you know, you got to say everything you wanted to say so far and telling your story and everything like that and people can understand what's happening chris debon says tim you are wrong about seceding west and northeast coast states with disproportionate control house all comp comp institutions and corporations allowing ccp infection to spread infection is too bad we must amputate i you know i mentioned this in my main segment today about Biden issuing sanctions on China. I'm happy that he's doing something. Hopefully it's enough. I don't know

if it will be. But I think if the US breaks apart, China wins. And they're authoritarians, and they got concentration camps, and that's going to be a nightmare for the rest of the world. So I'm not a fan of that. I got criticism for Biden. But if he does something that's good, I'm not going to rag on him for I'm going to give him credit where credit is due. Memotype says, sup, Tim, Ian, Lydia. Heart the show. Just joined on the members page and love the UFO talk with Chrissy. If you're into that stuff, look at Missing 411.

Researched by former detective David Paulides. Ongoing thing with people going missing. Very mysterious. Ooh, I will check that out. That's very fun. Thank you. Cousin William says, a rap is no more than a chant and has been going on in every culture forever and a day. Yeah.

Well, not anymore. Now it's racist. It's like vocal drum beats with language. Oh, yeah. William Martin says, hey, Tim, with gun control back in full swing, have you thought about having Colean Noir? Are someone like that or someone like that on the show? Also, have looked into john lavelle from the warrior poet society network i think they would both be great guests uh yeah we'd love to have colleen noir on um i wonder why we haven't maybe we should need to reach out to him maybe he's not available i don't know we'll figure it

out he's busy he's busy there you go he's super busy yeah yeah he has like an open invitation we're gonna make it happen all right let's see shane kerwood says let's set her up y'all f smith wish i could give more but still got bills to pay well yes there's a there's a gofundme for uh what's the title of the gofundme it's help jody shaw with legal and living expense just google jodyody, Sean, go fund me. You'll find it. If you would like to help. Thank you. Thank you so much. JP two, five, three,

he says, started watching daily after Crowder's election stream. You Crowder, Shapiro and Bongino are who I listened to daily. Just joined Tim cast today. You need to have JP Sears awakened with JP or Coleen Noir. They're both very busy. Look,

one of the biggest challenges with people who have their own shows is they have their own shows. They don't need to come on this show. I mean, it would be great for us, but they're doing their thing. And I love the idea. It's like watching me, Crowder, Shapiro, and Bongino.

I'm pretty sure I have very different opinions from the three of those. And I think Crowder, Shapiro, and Bongino have similar opinions. But I think that's the important thing. That's fantastic. It's funny when they try

and claim I'm a conservative and it's like they watch the show and Tim Pool rags about how like the weed attacks the rich or something. It's like pretty sure that's not a conservative opinion. What did you say? How the weed attacks the rich? How we need to tax the rich. I would love to see you on with Crowder. Yeah.

I've been on Crowder several times. An all-star. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's funny because he's like, you know, Tim Pool, you love him or you hate him. And I'm like, well, that's fair. I think Crowder's great. Yeah, he's like, you know, Tim Pool, you love him or you hate him. And I'm like, well, that's fair. I think Crowder's great. Yeah, he's great.

I think he's made some really offensive comedy. But it's weird how like, you know, Media Matters went after him because he did this segment they called Really Racist. And I'm like, what was the difference between what he did and what Family Guy does literally every single day when I watch Family Guy? It's a cartoon, basically. I mean it. It's like a free pass. Family Guy's jokes are are 10 times more racist than anything crowder's ever done and they're just jokes they're like you

they people poke the bear they try to be offensive for like you know whatever but it's political that's why it's because crowder does political commentary and that's an issue for them stephen decker says what you're doing is Jody. Is there anyone working on behalf of the security guard and custodians who had their lives ruined? That crazy, word I can't say on Timcast, woman who started this should be sued to oblivion. civil rights era civil rights leader he marched for civil rights for the civil rights act of 1964 and he just sent a letter to president kathleen mccartney she's the president of smith college signed by 44 black intellectuals and leaders from across the country asking her to stop the crt stuff uh may apologize publicly to these employees that have been hurt, and to make them whole. And he also, in the letter, they also asked her to provide evidence

because she's claiming that in response to the New York Times, there was a New York Times article, she's claiming that there's a reason why we have to keep doing these racial justice initiatives, and she named all these racial disparities. And so Bob Woods,, his letter said, okay, what you're talking about, where's the evidence? We would like to see some evidence. So

I'm waiting to see how she's going to respond to this letter, if she's going to respond to it. A Kafka trap? Those who demand evidence are just white supremacists trying to protect themselves. That's your proof. Well, that's the problem, right? It's an attack on evidence, yes. Yeah, also, they don't believe in evidence.

The word justice is like being twisted. That word justice is... Yeah, he said that, actually, to me, he's like, this is a perversion of civil justice, of civil rights. That's what he said, a perversion. Yeah. Sine Castro says,

have you guys considered having Dennis Prager on? Yeah, I'd love to have Dennis Prager on, but he seems like a bit of a big fish. There are a lot of people I'd love to have on the show as well, but like the most prominent figures in politics. Hey, man, they're welcome. Donald Trump. How about him, too? Come on over. He did. He did Lisa Booth's podcast.

He emailed me about it. And I was like, wow, that's really great. Good for her. That's awesome. That's it. That's it. Hopefully it was a good interview. I'd love to interview Trump because it'd be a really weird interview.

But I get mad at me. I'm like, I voted for you. But here are the things I'm mad about. I'd have to give him a compliment sandwich where I'm like, I know the media is lying about so much. I like this stuff. Now, here are the things I don't like. But don't forget, I do like this one.

He's so candid. Like, I want to get him just chilling. Like the three of like, just hang out for a minute so people can see who you really are dude just relax yeah like joy on rogan yeah like donald trump on rogan would have been one of the best yeah he's still still will be maybe now is the right time for for joe to have him on i wonder if you would actually do it though i think trump doesn't care man all right nadia shall worry no more says my siblings and i are all mexican but only i look at my bro was talking to his latino friend jokingly calling each other i'll just say offensive word i don't know if youtube allows me to say that a girl told

me the a girl told the admin my bro was white saying it he tried to explain but admins and my brother doesn't look at so stop whoa yeah I don't know how these how the rules work whatever you just can't do it if you're not in the tribe if you're in the tribe you get away with whatever you want whatever you want Mason Wolfie says maybe instead of race and skin color we should start pushing for calling each other Americans here here good

sir wow yeah I like that but don't get too hung up on it because it's still a label it's still an identity politic thing. Christopher Riley says, hey, Tim, you should read the 5,000 year leap by Cleon Skousen. Then talk about it. First time giving. Please read.

Also love from Wisconsin. Right on. We'll check it out. 5,000 year leap. Interesting. All right. Let's see. Keep up the good work.

Appreciate the super chat. Slanty Chauffeur Bear says, when you look at original pre original print pre 1900 1950s books, you'll find the Dark Ages described as everything B.C. before Christ, the Enlightenment. The Age of Reason was is everything. A.D. and O. Domini. Interesting. I didn't know that. John Ballew says there was a comedian in the early 90s that said the only people you could make fun of is white protestant males because they're the only ones that don't have a group to come after you so true today i mean they they do and what what was the clan were they catholic or what was their

religion i don't know they're protestant were they protestant yeah i don't know probably all right let's see divisive software says hey tim love the show probably a faux pas but yesterday a dude shouted out his podcast in super chat thought i'd try i put a game on steam three years ago called holing glide is that what it says holing glide i've only sold 22 copies lol you could revive it sorry if this is cringe really love the show thanks not cringe dude that was awesome i'm gonna i want to try it what's it how do you spell it h-o-l-o-n-g-l-i-d-e that's right right yeah holenglide what's the game like i'm interested i'm always looking for new games because i get really bored of games real quick yeah i got like 800 games on steam i just play skater xl now just a skateboarding game and

just do like caves of quood lately case of caves of quood i don't know how to pronounce why don't you play holland blood i'll check it out yeah he only sold 22 copies maybe he'll sell more but i i it better be a good game i need quality if if i could read every super chat then people would get shout outs all the time but we can't look good so many getting gurg c says razor fist ask him on yeah i'd love to have razor face it's cool loud all right let's see andrew matina says jody not to mention names but years back you were booked at a music festival i spearheaded in upstate new york love your music and i love your cause and you swim pretty good too is all of that is all of that true yes it is very. Who is that? Andrew Matina.

Oh, thanks, Andrew. You were booked to the show? Yeah. Do you play instruments? Yes, I do. Which ones? I play piano and guitar, and I sing, and I just learned how to play drums. She rapped earlier.

Oh, she did. It was cool. And everybody listened. I enjoyed it. Nice. Talent. All right. Mr. Big says, Tim, nobody views themselves as the villain.

Some of history's worst leaders saw themselves as liberators and saviors. That's absolutely true. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Ian Tifa. Oh, I've heard it before.

Ian Tifa. Much love. Is this a regular speaker? If you read the chat, yeah. Yeah, I've heard it before. Ian Tifa. Much love. Is this a regular speaker? If you read the chat, yeah. Yeah, this is their meme, yeah. There's some smart people in there. All right, let's see what we got. Ian Tifa, that was funny.

Okay, let's see. How clever. Okay, someone says the Klan was massively anti-Catholic. Okay, I knew Catholic was related to them in some way. got it way wrong though so i apologize i don't know yeah booker dewitt catch says dana uh dana lash she is she is you you need on she is you need on your show who you need on the show sometimes people typo um again big get but she is a media personality and very busy i'm sure she would if she was not got her own massive platform that's the thing right somebody who's got their own massive multi-million subscriber follower platform doesn't need to go on

someone's show unless they just want to do it for fun but uh i'd love to have daniel ash she's she's great it'd be really great conversation about guns because Because the more I buy guns and read into them and learn about them, the more I'm confused by what I'm hearing from politics. Like, there was one post from a guy, Adam Best, and he named all of these tragic incidents. He's like, AR-15, AR-15, AR-15, over and over again. And I'm like, what though? Like, an AR-15, it's like him saying, gun, gun. A gun was used here and a gun was used here. And I'm like, AR-15 what?

There's like so many different variants. You're just saying gun over and over. It doesn't mean anything. They don't know what they're talking about. Anyway. Chase says, I am suing my former job. I was called a white supremacist after expressing anti-woke commentary online. I was forced into weekly one-on-one anti-racism training for months before i had to quit but i didn't bend the knee bravo good sir

that's awesome good for you good for you um feel free to reach out to me if you want yeah it just says chase but uh is there a way people can reach out to you yeah it's my i have a jody shaw.net there's a contact button. You can contact me. Mr. Paul R. says, if Jody Shaw lost friends, they're not friends. Yes. That's true. Yeah. It feels like a friend is going to have your back no matter what.

Yep. Even if you don't always agree with it. And sometimes they leave and then they come back and you're in the middle of it right now. Casey Finnegan says, hey, Tim, did you hear that Rebel News was demonetized today? When Ezra Levant asked why, the YouTube rep said she would check with her team. The woke is coming for everyone. That's why I joined your site. Thank you.

This is why we should have set up Timcast.com a long time ago. Last year when we started the Timcast IRL podcast, we should have set up a website. We didn't. We did recently because the purge is real. And they're going to demonetize purge. And a lot of people, I love it when they're like, Tim Pool's never getting banned. He's still milquetoast. My Facebook page has already been demonetized

and booted off. I can't. It's over. You can't spell demonetized without demon. There you go. Milquetoast? Milquetoast? Yeah, yeah. So the joke is Tim pool's a milk toast fence sitter and it's m-i-l-q-u-e it's you know you know right yeah i know but i'm just you know i'm just like kind of shocked that it was used in conjunction with you oh it's a joke because i'm not i'm centrist

did you make milk toast in the beginning never that's a weird thing that's a real breakfast i guess yeah my grandma used to make a toast yeah it's gross and weird i recommend it so uh it's a joke obviously you know i can't remember who on the show but they were like why are they allowing you to do this and i'm like who's they like the establishment you know like the democrats and the media and like why aren't they like smearing you more and like trying to get you banned or whatever and i'm like i don't know you know because he's no but but, but what they basically said was, it's not that you're, you know, right wing or left wing or whatever.

It's that you're exposing how they operate. And I was like, yeah, well, you know, there you go. So yeah, anyway, join timcast.com, become a member because that's the safety net. If we get shut down, the show's over, like we can still work so long as TimCast.com exists. And that's why I'm trying to get the new site. We're going to launch a brand site, which is going to do way more content, articles, news, and all that stuff.

And everything. And video games, and skateboarding, and stuff. Because we need to build something independent so that we can't get shut down. Although, we'll see what happens. YouTube implemented this new thing where it, like, when you upload a video, it runs a percentage check, like scanning your content for negative words. And so demonetization has started hitting me again. For a while, I wasn't getting hit. So, we'll see what happens. But I will say, TimCast.com is offsetting the loss of YouTube ad revenue, which I'm not super concerned about at this point.

Charles Balyozian says, talking with woke liberals can be fun, especially when I remind them of my grandparents literally survived actual genocide and religious persecution. Good times. But it's like they don't care you know you know it's like when you actually explain to one of these white woke progressives when i've tried telling them oh okay so your logic applies to me as a mixed race person all they say no no you don't count like i get to say that i'm it's like what but you're the white person you're supposed to be the racist by your own logic i don't work that way uh because castellano says there are chickens that lay different color eggs blue green pink dark chocolate brown etc two true colors white and blue blue is because of a virus that changes the shell color check it out really yeah because we

have chickens we were given a sampler that's what the guy called it and he was like you'll have all different color eggs i'm'm excited. Cool. Yeah, they're all eggs. Kim Hansen says, Tim, every once in a while, give politics a rest. Since you are a musician, I suggest a great cover band called Foxes and Fossils. They have a YouTube channel. Give it a listen. Get them on the show.

You won't be disappointed. Well, we have a venue and we're planning on doing live events very soon. The weather is improving we're going to have like uh limited limited availability for members only tickets that uh you can buy and come to the actual studio for a night of you know barbecue on the grill and musicians and comedians and uh we're we're planning this out we want to get some pretty pretty good bands and uh commentators you know it'd be really great to get some of these more political commentators who do kind of a comedy routine get them up on stage andrew doyle and we're oh definitely yeah he's great but he's he's locked in the uk isn't he we'll get him as soon as he's not is he yeah

you can't leave the uk if you try to leave fine you. But I think you can travel for work. So if they want to, they can still, for work, leave. And so that might work. But yeah, Andrew Doyle, Dankula. Count Dankula is an amazing stage presence, too. He's really, really great. It would be so fun to have him and obviously Carl Benjamin and do a big thing. I want to hear what you guys think about us bringing back Jam Night on Fridays. If you like that idea. I like that idea heard about it why did it stop adam left we just

adam was forced it to happen basically and i'm bringing it back well the show the show changed we started doing more uh guests and then you know but now now we're once we we haven't yet completely set up all the infrastructure of the venue i call it the garage because of the weather now that it's finally breaking into the 60s we can start setting up the computer the lights the drum set i want to play so much because i'm up like a kind of a political idiot and so when we talk politics i'm like oh just stay cool man wait for your moment but when when we rock i can hit it hard, you know. I'm ready. He looks through the music. All right, let's see.

Bobby Digital says, I'm subscribed at TimCast.com. Can you pretty please make videos downloadable and pocket listenable? I don't know how to do that right now. But we have a new website that's about to launch. And it's going to create new subscriber options through different, you know, new subscriber options just because right now it's just basically PayPal, but we're going to be opening up for just improving. Basically, we built what we could build initially when everyone became members. Then we basically use that all those resources to start hiring a new dev team and expanding. And we want to build open source social networking code

that anyone could put onto their website. So you mentioned you had JodyShaw.net. How cool would it be if we had an open source plugin that you put on your website and it was a social media app that networked you to every other website that used the same app? That way no one could ban you. It's just your website. But people on your website

could interact with people on other websites too. Oh. I see. So the social media app is like embedded. It's like not out there. But it would basically be the Fediverse. The Fediverse? Fediverse is a decentralized Twitter where different servers can interact with each other. Like peer-to-peer kind of thing.

You could do like a browser. So you could basically be like create a user account if they're a member of your website. Then their username could be like Bill at JodyShaw.net. And when they post, people can choose to follow Bill at JodyShaw.net. Kind of like Gab's dissenter. And people would see Gab too because Gab, I believe, is on the Fediverse. So you could be Bill at Gab.com and people on your website could follow people on Gab. Wow.

It's about to happen. Really? We want to get there, but we're small and we're growing and we can't just snap our fingers and instantly be 100% company. Yeah, it's like a community project, which is the nice thing about it being open source too. As contributors from around the world, we'll go on GitHub and GitLab and be like suppositing code for others to use. Free software actually, so like a MIT license or something. Alright, we got Political Pothead. He says, shout out to

rappers Tom McDonald, Upchurch and Adam Calhoun. They're building culture. There is a whole pool of independent rappers not muzzled by record labels. And surprise, they're not woke. Yup. I love the independents, yeah. Oh, hey. Caleb W. says, got my Diamond Hands Gorilla t-shirt today.

Check out Dax's new video. My friends, make sure you get your Diamond Hands Gorilla shirt. Go to TimCast.com. I got mine. Yeah, Joey's got some. I got one here, but it's a misprint. I'm gonna bust it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It has one O. It's good. His eyes are blue, I guess and his it's just too dark too dark it's too dark but uh uh i i i i bit reluctant to show the misprint one because before we before this got sent to us teespring emailed me and said you're going to be getting double your order because the first shirts that went out were printed too dark and so we're sending you double the order so you're getting like two for the price of one and i was like cool so they they've been taking care of me i much respect there was a big fiasco that happened with the gorilla shirts with them a while ago but they

they did right by us and i think i think they do great their shirts are amazing quality by the way the misprints could be a collector's item yeah they are these i was thinking yeah so we gave some of them away but i think these particular ones are not offensive misprints could be a collector's item. Yeah, they are. I was thinking, yeah, so we gave some of them away, but I think these particular ones are not offensive misprints like the other ones were. That almost got us in trouble. Yeah, they were a little

but we might see it. We'll give we'll give some of these out. We'll sign them and stuff like that. And yeah. The other one was hilarious. All right, here we go.

Many on Lee says, I think Candace Owens is one of the most powerful weapons we have against the woke. Do you think she would make a good presidential candidate for 2024? Maybe not 2024. Maybe later on.

She is a good I would agree. Well, I would say this. I think she is a good weapon against the woke. However, she's also called for imprisoning people for burning the flag, and that's not going to jive with liberals. Look, I'm not talking about woke insanity i'm talking about regular freedom loving social and classical liberals who are like look man i don't agree with burning the flag but if it's your flag do what you want with it that's your speech it's the george carlin type liberals

that you you are like the conservatives have won over in a lot of aspects threatening to imprison people for burning a flag you're going to lose all of them quick i don't know what your thoughts you would you agree on that one would you do you think burning the flag should be allowed oh gosh i haven't thought about it but i'm just thinking about like i don't know that that's a reason to write somebody off just because they have that one belief because they think you should be arrested for burning the flag or because they believe in burning the flag? Well, maybe they shouldn't

be president if they... Trump said the same thing. Trump said you should get a year in jail. So I'll tell you this. That's why I'm saying she's a good, you know, she's a good personality

challenging wokeness. I'm not discrediting everything she said because she holds one opinion I disagree with. I just think that's going to cost her a lot of liberal support and for Trump as well. Yeah, people as well way of changing their mind their mind on topics when

they run for and uh issues when they run for president i think people who burn the flag should get a stern finger wagging yeah and if it's your flag well i guess you burn what you want man you know it's like i i i would never burn the flag i love the american flag i think this country is fantastic because i've traveled the world but penn and teller did this really amazing bit they have this really amazing bit where they do a magic trick where they it's a magic trick they don't really burn the flag but they do and it like goes up in flames and penn says burning the flag is the ultimate ultimate expression of the freedom that it represents and i'm like it's paradoxical but when I see these like Antifa and leftist types like burning the flag because they hate America, they're only proving how awesome this country really is. Yeah, that's a good point.

That's one of our freedoms, right? Yeah, there's countries where they'll execute you for doing that. In America, you'll get a finger wagging. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. If that. You'll get people yelling at you and trying to take it from you to stop you from burning it maybe. But like in Thailand, insulting the royal family, you go to jail.

Yeah, just words alone can get you. Yeah. Shadowcloud says, I'd love to come by the van and play some Magic the Gathering when you guys are in Nashville. Oh, it's not a van. It's a 40-foot trailer. It's nice. It's like a full, it's going to be a full studio setup. It's a show.

And it's going to be a very, very arduous task doing a road trip. It's not going to be an easy thing to do. So I don't know how much time we'll have. No magic games? I don't know about playing Magic the Gathering when we're working for a week straight on tour. It's going to be stressful. People are going to lose their minds. People who have never been on a tour don't get it.

Somebody mentioned something. RR says Jody's music is on iTunes. That's somebody somebody mentioned something uh rr says jody's music is on itunes that's true how do they find it jody shaw j-o-d-i it's on bandcamp too and you have like super amazing top 40 hits that everyone will listen to in the end you'll just become a famous musician there you go perfect i like that i that prediction. Let's go with it. Waffles Sensei says, Tim, I can't I can't wait to see your take on the speech Biden gave in Colorado. Oh, boy. He's coming for your assault rifles, whatever that means. He also has a moment that he says, not until I have all the facts about the shooter.

It gets obnoxious at this point, bro. Yeah. Assault rifles. What you mean, like NFA items that cost like 30 grand that very few people have? So assault rifle references select fire rifles, so they're full auto burst or semi. Yeah, those are extremely expensive. They're already ridiculously hard to get. Whatever.

You can get Gatling guns, though, because those are like i guess each each like crank or whatever is a single action so you're allowed to have a legal but doesn't do like 60 cranks a second or something that'll spin so fast but could you go super fast with your hand like yeah yeah definitely luke wanted me to buy a gatling gun a nine millimeter hundred it was like a massive magazine thing outside and you hold it go and i'm like what am i gonna do with that it's on wheels i'm like shoot it he's like i'm just telling you man you know you gotta buy it now before it's illegal i'm like all right i'm not buying gatling gun luke come on he has convinced me to buy some dumb things though i wonder where that guy went like the sword like the lightsaber

thing that you're talking about that was all tim oh like the little torch thing i saw that on instagram yeah all right atzi Cosmo says, Have Lauren Southern on. Had a great video a month ago. Feeling don't care about your facts. That's actually something I said on Twitter quite a while ago. When Ben Shapiro said, Facts don't care about your feelings.

I tweeted, Feelings don't care about your facts. Because both are true. Feelings don't care about your facts. And that's why a lot of people driven by feelings don't care about objective reality. As for Lauren, she's in Australia.ia oh wow is that where she lives i believe she lives in australia now right she does yeah yeah so uh i'd love to have lauren southern on but um yeah i

want to hear her her personal like perception of her story for the last four or five years because she was like came out of obscurity and was super famous for a short period of time and kind of got burned by like the cancel culture well she and she got in trouble for like being on the ocean and and bunch of stuff like yeah i want to hear all her personal like what she thinks about it well my friends here's what you need to do i want her on you need to go to timcast.com and become a member because the purge is real we just heard rebel news you know they got demonetized who knows how long until they come for us as well so we need your membership to keep doing the work. Or I should say it's the safety net in the event we do get banned. And TimCast.com is going to become the real bread and butter, I guess. That's

where we're focusing on building our own sustainable platform that can't be banned and a larger brand to encompass it. That way it'll exist beyond just like a YouTube channel. So we're getting there. But go there now because we're going to have an exclusive members only segment, probably with a lot more profanity. We always say that there usually is. So that'll be up and you can check it out again, timcast.com. But don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell. And if you really like the show, share it. It's the best thing you can do because that's what actually drives, you know, growth, I suppose. You can follow me on all social media platforms at TimCast. And you can check out my other YouTube channels,

YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. YouTube.com slash TimCast News. We got this. I'm trying. You animal. All right. This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m. So we'll obviously be back tomorrow.

But Jodiodi is there anything you want to shout out social media or GoFundMe or something oh yeah JodiShaw.net for supporting me

in this fight and JodiShaw.com if you want to check out my music oh cool and there might be some GoFundMe

comings I'm working on it GoFundMe coming GoFundMe's coming. I'm working on it. GoFundMe's coming for the staff who were impacted by the July 31st, 2018 incident. Very cool. I'll keep you posted.

Oh, and you guys can follow me at IanCrossland.net. You can see all my socials from there and keep in touch that way. Thank you for coming. Jodi, great to see you. You guys can follow me at RealSourPatchLids on Twitter and mine. And if you guys like, you are more than welcome to tune into my Instagram because every night after the show, I basically kind of talk about what we talked about on the show and give

my own personal thoughts and feelings so I'm able to condense them and get them a little more a little less wordy, I should say. We will see you all over in the exclusive members-only segment at TimC cast.com. Thanks for hanging out. Bye guys.