Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #262 - White House Proposes PAYING Illegal Immigrants Cash To NOT Come Here w/JohnTamny

Episode Date: April 10, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join author of 'When Politicians Panicked: The New Coronavirus, Expert Opinion, and a Tragic Lapse of Reason' John Tamny to discuss the White House mulling sending cash to South American people to prevent them migrating to the US, automation, cultural stagnation, technology, and the CCP. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have major breaking news tonight, and I'm not surprised that it's happening on a Friday because this is when news is released in the with the intention of killing the story. But the border crisis, the migrant crisis that Biden is facing has now become it's a historical record, the amount of unaccompanied children that are coming to the border. And the breaking news is that the White House border coordinator has resigned. This is happening on a Friday night, which means they don't want the news to pick it up. And if the news does pick it up, nobody's going to see it because tomorrow's Saturday and then Sunday. And then by Monday, the news cycle is just totally different. Well, the crisis is so bad that not only did the coordinator resign, but the White House apparently now is proposing cash payments to illegal immigrants

in an effort to make them stay where they are. How about this? The White House says, we'll give you money instead of spending the money on you here. Now, I'll tell you, in my opinion, that's not going to work. People are going to say, thanks for the money. Now I can use it to come to America because America rocks. So this just shows you that we are dealing with a special level of ineptitude and chaos right now in the Biden administration. Ever since he came in, his rhetoric has been very soft, and we've heard this. It's a pull factor. The illegal immigrants have already told, or at least one has told ABC and maybe another, one of these other news outlets, I believe NBC, because of Joe Biden, because of the opportunities he's offered.

They're coming to the United States, and now the White House can can't handle it so we're going to talk about all this we have a great guest talk to us about uh the economy and the the lockdowns we have john tamney who is a libertarian author and join us to introduce yourself yes i am vice president freedom works author of the new book when politicians panic the new coronavirus expert opinion and a tragic lapse of reason uh thrilled to be on tonight. Thanks so much for having me. Yes. Cool.

Yes, and I'm also Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net here in the house to talk about the Federal Reserve with John. Everybody knows that. We're very excited about this. Yeah, Ian just kind of lit up when John was talking about the Federal Reserve, and I saw a patch of lids in the corner. There are chapters on the Fed in this book. Two chapters.

Didn't you mention you have a book or did you not mention? I did, yes. Let me mention the book again. Oh, no, no, the other one. Yes, there's a book called Who Needs the Fed? It's my second book. I love it. I make this odd argument that, in fact, the Fed has been rushing toward irrelevance since its creation.

So I offend both equal opportunity offender with my commentary on the Fed. It was funny because I was like, oh, you have other books, and you mentioned one of my books is Who Needs the Fed? Ian's eyes are like, oh, what's that? Let's find an answer to that question. Ron Paul? Ron Paul? Yeah. All right, everybody.

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I love that headline because the headline makes no sense. You should actually, you should actually just say, White House considers giving cash to illegal immigrants, which will do nothing, and they'll come anyway, and then it'll cost even more money. That's a better headline. Here's the New York Post reports. They say the potential cash transfer program would be targeted at residents

of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, which counts for the overwhelming majority of migrants illegally crossing the border. Roberta Jacobs in the White House Southern Border Coordinator told the outlet, we're looking at all of the productive options to address both the economic reasons people may be migrating as well as the protection and security

reasons jacobson told the outlet in an interview in march nearly 170 000 migrants were picked up by u.s border patrol agents at the southern border a 70 percent increase from february all right you get the gist of the story you ready for the big hammer drop? Who was it who said that they were planning on doing this? Why? It was, well, let me just read it. This is Roberta Jacobson, the White House's southern border coordinator, telling the New York Post, we're looking at all of the productive options to address both the economic reasons and she's gone white house border coordinator roberta jacobson resigns as biden struggles to contain the historic surge in in migrants it's amazing because it looks like this story about her resignation came before the new york post was able to publish the story where she said we're just going to pay these people look america's awesome everybody wants to be here i get it i would love everyone to find the american dream you got to do it the legal the legal way the law is set up not because we hate

people but it's because we want to make sure people don't wander through the desert and die we want to make sure human traffickers aren't trafficking children we want to make sure that guy with that little girl is actually related to that little girl and you can't do when people just pour across the border so this is this is one of the most insane things i've ever heard i don't know what you guys think i think most people just their jaws just dropped when it's like the u.s will give money to these people to make them not come they're going to come anyway it sounds like they're considering bribing foreign nationals to not commit a crime with our own tax money it's insane to me the consideration is absolutely insanity to me

so you're you're more of the libertarian but i think what do you say little l or big l small small l it's look it's it's guilt money uh we know what this it's guilt money first and foremost uh my point of view is that the the best immigrant wall of all is a lack of economic growth can we let's not forget that from 2009 to 2014, more people left the United States and crossed back over the southern border than came in. As long as the U.S. is awesome, people are going to come here. To me, that is a market phenomenon that they're trying to solve with central planning. Is it any surprise when you solve something with central planning that you have a crisis? What I would give if both sides acknowledge that there's a need for workers, and so let's legalize work in some way.

It's never going to happen because both sides want to politicize this, and they will continue to do this. This will never be solved. It's like the people who say let let's have a flat or sales tax. Yeah, good luck. It's never going to happen. It's not in the incentive of Congress to simplify the tax code. They will never solve this with free markets.

But I guess one of the challenges is different sectors require workers. Not every single sector can have the same kind of labor done. So a lot of the people who would be coming from Central America, they're not going to be computer programmers or solar panel engineers. They're probably going to be low-skill workers or laborers. Is that a fair assessment? It's a fair assessment in some way, but what if we legalized work? What if we said we're not going to discriminate based on you're coming from somewhere else? To some degree, people have to do low-value work once they're here because that's the easiest way to not be discovered.

How many Cuban immigrants going back to the 1960s came here? They were educated but were busboys once they were in the United States. So once you legalize things, you'd get a greater disbursement of workers. I think you'd also get a lot more talented workers to come here because we know this well. If you're a foreign talent and come here to school, you can go to school here, but you can't necessarily stay here. I'll tell you this. That sounds like a way better solution than just giving them money and hoping they don't come because I'm pretty sure if we give them money, they're going to come anyway. I don't think giving someone cash, there's no contract there. What is that?

Yeah. Well, the coyotes will see that money and say, okay, here's the money that will help you get across the border. I think you can't. Look, North Korea is a police state, but people still come in and out of North Korea. We think in a free country like this that we can keep them out, and it's always struck me as odd that people on my side say, well, we want limited government, but we also want strict border enforcement. Sorry to contradict. You cannot have a very strong border enforcement with guns and also have limited

government. So to me, it's always been make a choice. And I would prefer that we have a market solution, but that is the idealist in me talking. But I don't think you necessarily disagree with many of the conservatives or many even pro-borders libertarians. I think everybody agrees if we could find places for these people through a legal process, we could keep track, we could make sure people are succeeding, well, that's great. The problem is they're wandering through the desert. They're coming with coyotes and smugglers. Kids are dying. And so it's basically chaos, right?

I think it was Donald Trump who said something to the effect of, you know, have everybody come, everybody. But they've got to do it legally. That's kind of the idea. It is, but if they had the same rules that when our ancestors got here, and they probably all got here at different times, most of us couldn't be here today. If the rules that prevail today prevailed 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago, most of us wouldn't be here. And so, sure, I would love legal too too but when you make the legality of it so

limited is it any surprise that you get the most desperate people crossing uh crossing through the desert and everything if you had a legal process again a market-driven process when you don't have central planning i think what you'd find is you'd have people coming the normal way because there'd be an incentive to come the normal way and you could have fewer guns at the border because if you say we legalize the work process there's demand for human capital here the minute someone steps into the united states they become exponentially productive by virtue of being in this country if you legalize that they're not going to sneak over at which point you can have fewer government agents targeting the very few who don't announce themselves in the first place. But do you think many of these workers displace entry-level workers, American citizens who are trying to enter the workforce?

No. So one of the things, and good point. Well, I'll follow up. I want you to go more in depth, but I want to make one point because one of the things we've actually heard a lot, millennials say that around 2008, when they're getting out of school and they're entering the workforce, the economy collapsed. All of a sudden now, Gen Xers are occupying these lower skilled jobs and they can't find work. I experienced this to a certain degree.

I was trying to get a job as a dishwasher because I was desperate. And I come in and there's some, you know, I'm in my late teens. I'm 20 or 21 years old. And there's a guy who's in his 30s in a suit with a briefcase trying to be a dishwasher for minimum wage. I couldn't get the job. It was impossible. So I ended up playing guitar in a subway. Now we're hearing from Gen Z where they're saying, you've got all the millennials now

finally starting to come into these positions and take these jobs. And we entered this broken system in shambles with an economic crisis in our youth and now an economic crisis with the pandemic. So you have a lot of young people who have repeatedly seen some kind of struggle in terms of getting work. Now you have an argument from many people of relaxing the borders, allowing more labor to come in to compete with people who have already had a hard go of it. It's a fair argument, but I don't think we can have it both ways in this argument. We can't say that they're coming in and taking the jobs that no one else wants to do at the

same time saying they're taking jobs from college-educated millennials. But I'm not saying that. I'm saying I tried to be a dishwasher and I couldn't because the work was displaced. I mean, dishwasher, I wouldn't say is a job no one wants to do. You know, Donald Trump, during his presidency, there was a raid on several meat processing plants in, I can't remember what state, maybe Mississippi and Arkansas. Maybe it was a couple states. And I think they deported about 700 people, and those jobs immediately got filled at a higher wage to American citizens. So there were several people who were interviewed.

There was, you know, this one dude said, they asked him, why are you coming to this job fair? And he goes, it pays better than McDonald's. And so these people came into these jobs, and then that opens up jobs in fast food for 16-year-olds who are entering the job market who need to work. Should we abolish computers? Should we abolish the mobile phone? Should we abolish Wi-Fi?

Should we abolish your website? Because I guarantee everything that I just said has displaced all sorts of people. Now, my answer to that would be that's called progress because the world before that was a much more brutal, cruel world for people. Look, we could abolish the tractor, the car, and the airplane right now, and we'd all have jobs, we would be desperately poor, but we would all have jobs. And so this notion that people somehow drive away jobs ignores that where are jobs the scarcest right now?

Are they just abundant in Flint because no one's going there? Or are they more abundant in San Jose where there are lots of people going? Well, Las Vegas, there are lots of people going well Las Vegas there's lots of work and it's lots of people moving from places where there's not it's work people don't drive away work what drives away work is a lack of investment and so what attracts investment talent so where the talented people go there's always going to be abundant jobs and so I think it's a mistake to look at work as a finite supply. It's rarely that.

I would add, too, I think one of the biggest problems we have in this country is cultural. A lot of the young people that I reference, because, you know, we hear from young people saying, I wish I could work, but I can't. You know, the economy, the immigration. Well, it's also true a lot of these younger people are really entitled. And they're told by their parents, you should be an astronaut instead of a plumber. Plumber is an extremely important job. I gotta say, astronauts are incredibly

important in a certain sense that what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX is going to advance the human experience and human technology in amazing ways. But I'll tell you this, a plumber is more needed. You need a plumber is more needed.

You need a plumber. Day to day. Yeah, day to day. You need substantially more plumbers and electricians and carpenters than you need astronauts. But they're important. It's just, you know, we got young people who are told, why should I do a trade? Why should I do, why should I figure out how to build something? They want to be a rock star.

They want to be a YouTuber. Well, even like a successful YouTuber needs to understand tech. I mean you would not be successful if you didn't understand cameras, microphones, programming. These are trade trades, being able to work cameras. That's a trade, like a technology trade. In the industry, it would be like in the union as a tech. I think you bring up a good point. I've heard similar points made, particularly from libertarians. And I think one of the big issues that I would agree with, we need people to just work.

You don't need to work for someone else. You can work. You can literally wake up in the morning and be like, I found a piece of dirt on the ground and I'm going to shape it into a little man and sell it to somebody. I agree. Make the value, sell the value. I think that work is important, but I think the job economy is part of the Ponzi scheme of the Federal Reserve.

Kind of their ethos is, I want everyone working. I want everyone to have a job. I want this guy to dig a hole and then I want this guy to go fill the hole back up. And we'll pay them both. Yeah, we'll pay them both with our money so they'll keep borrowing our money at interest so that they'll keep paying these people to be busy. Then they'll keep owing us interest. And then as long as they're busy, they're not going to realize that we're a parasite on the system, that we're sucking this interest off the top.

And we're headed towards automation where we don't need to dig the holes. We're building machines to do that. So as the age of automation dawns, the job economy is going to fade away. But in a beautiful way, let's be clear that automation and robots are the greatest friend to the worker that the world has ever known, and nothing else comes close. Let's not forget that when you were born 175 years ago in the rich U.S. Your choices were binary in life. You'll either be a farmer or something else related to farming. What changed that?

Tractor, backhoe, fertilizer. The biggest robotic job destroyers in the history of the world. Did they put us into bread lines? No, they freed people to become astronauts, to create cars, to create computers, to become math teachers. Robots are going to take all that's awful out of work out of it,

all the drudgery out of it, and allow specialization on a level that's going to lift people that for hundreds of years we might have thought stupid, who suddenly get to do something that uniquely elevates their intelligence. Work is endless.

It's the kind of work that is not endless in a dynamic society. And that's true. And the big problem we then face is cultural stagnation. People who want to be YouTubers or bloggers for BuzzFeed instead of people who want to explore and develop the new technology. So I was reading about the ancient Rome in Greece, the Mediterranean, and how the great philosophers came about and how math started to emerge. And it was because humans all of a sudden find themselves in this very beautiful climate.

It's always warm. There's fruit. There's abundance. And so they had a lot of free time on their hands. Some people laid about and were lazy and gluttonous and pretty bad. And others found something to occupy their time. I think one of the problems we have is that as a lot of people, when they enter this position where they lose their job, they complain to the government about it. What are you going to do? You have people on the left where they'll say something like,

the government should just give me money. It's like, well, you're not doing anything anyway. Sure, I guess. But then you have on the right people saying we should regulate the industries, maybe bring these companies back a lot of what Trump was doing. I actually would agree more with creating incentives for companies to exist here. But outside of all of that, I think the big problem we have is absolutely cultural stagnation. Movies are just remakes, reboots, adaptations. Take an old comic, make a new version of it. We need new things. We need people to be pioneers.

We need people to say, I'm going to go move to the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and build a city. There's so much work to be done. You just got to do it. I guess the main issue, though, is people want to be rich. You're not going to be rich being a guy who starts a new city. You might have purpose. and like yeah maybe like you were saying a hundred years ago you we were all poor when we are 200 years ago we were all poor compared today you're rich like if you're sitting in your house and you have the heater running and you have running water that's clean and access to the internet you're rich you don't need billions

and trillions to be rich these days so you just you know as long as the the automation enables the technology to be awesome you're rich you did it and it does you look ibm comes out with the first mainframe computer in the 1960s intensely slow filled a room larger than this if you wanted to own it was going to cost you well over a million dollars nowadays i have a supercomputer that fits in my pocket that i got for a few hundred dollars that is exponentially faster and more capable right here our i can go on amazon i've we've got alexa at home and i've got access to billions worth of music every single day for $4.99 a month. We are billionaires in so many ways today because of the profit motive.

And what's scary is to think in the future what we're going. You are producing a television show with three people here and then a guest like me that how many however many years ago how much would it have cost to produce this and you're doing this from a house in rural maryland yeah it's staggering what's what's being created at microscopic levels of cost and so when people are pessimistic and when they tell you they can't get a job no no no no it's as tim says no you're not happy with the jobs available that you can get it's kind of like there's years ago i wrote an op-ed they uh jennifer aniston is unmarried by choice not because she couldn't get married there are hundreds of millions of men who would give anything to be married to jennifer aniston what's available

she doesn't think is worthy. What's available in the U.S. for workers is not living up to the standards to what you allude entitled kids. Well, so this is, there is a challenge here, though. I often talk about how here in the U.S., we're all fairly rich, especially when you look at other countries and the, you know, per capita GDP. Yeah, the average American working at McDonald's is substantially wealthier than the middle class Brazilian. I think their GDP a few years ago was like $8,000

a year. So even if you're working at McDonald's for only 40 hours a week, you're doing better. The issue is we have certain standards and costs of living. Rent might be a certain rate. So while there are some people who are you can point out we've got Alexa, we've got all this great technology. You can get anything you want basically shipped to your house

i got japanese soda sent here japanese it's crazy it's a little marble and you slam it and then it's great and uh it comes here to the middle of nowhere however we have access to a lot of these things but rent is still really high so you can really high. So you can't just go and work that easily. I'll mention we need pioneers, right? Go and start a city. But you need some level of capital to do it. And if you lose your job because your factory goes to Mexico or China, you can't pay your rent or your mortgage anymore.

And if you decide, okay, well, then I'll just flip burgers, you still can't just pay your mortgage anymore. You're not going to be able to afford rent. So there's work to be done, but an individual can't just snap their fingers and decide to start working on something and cover their costs. That's fair enough. But let's also remember, we descend from people who crossed oceans to get here where there were no roads, no buses, no airplanes, no cars. I'm not terribly sympathetic to people in modern times who say, well, the factory left. Well, if it left, get on the bus and go somewhere else.

Because there is Middletown, Ohio. That's what Hillbilly Elegy was written about. Well, I checked on the internet. It costs basically a gallon of gasoline to get from Middletown to booming Columbus, Ohio. In the United States, wherever you are, if it's poor and depressed, prosperity is not very far away. Now, I get your point about rent. But compared to what other people were up against in the past, these are small problems that can be solved and have been solved forever. All of us have 917 numbers.

We're fairly familiar with people who've got nothing going to New York because they've got dreams and they view that as the place to test their dreams. That's what I did. Yeah. I went to L.A. and New York. Two most expensive cities in the world, basically. People figure it out. That's not a heartless statement. I'm saying to the rest of the world, basically. People figure it out. That's not a heartless statement. I'm saying to the rest of the world, we are envied. Wow. You get to move within

the freest trade zone of opportunity in the world. If your skills aren't valued in Los Angeles, you can go to Phoenix, you can go to Las Vegas. Think about the rest of the world. If you went to the Congo right now and you just decided to drive across the country, you'd be killed before you got to the other side.

Yep. It's a good point about work and being a pioneer. You mentioned not being able to pay rent or afford your mortgage is nothing compared to what we used to do. So it's kind of like your Jennifer Aniston argument is great. Everyone right now is so accustomed to modern wealth that they couldn't imagine not having it. There was a period where if you were a dad, you were literally like, okay, we're in the middle

of nowhere. I'm going to build a mud hut for my family, otherwise we die. And you had to do it. There was no where's my house? Where's my plumbing? No, it's quite literally dig a hole and take a dump in it. That was the standard people lived in. Now, I don't want people to live by that standard. I want them to do well. But perhaps if things are falling apart and the system can't support you getting this job, then we revert back to maybe taking a step down. Maybe

you don't want to. Maybe you're like, no, I was getting this salary. I demand that. Well, maybe I take a lower salary and do something else. Or we could, I don't know, cut back on the rent and the cost of rent and subsidize it with basic income or something. This is just the first thing that came to my mind. But I remember... Where does that money come from? The Federal Reserve, obviously. So deficit spending.

Yeah, basically. Hyperinflation. Yeah, maybe. Or cryptocurrency or something. Well, how about we just not have a plan? Or we just cut down the cost of goods, not have a central plan. Yeah. Again, I keep going back to the phone. Why is it that I have this supercomputer that I was able to get for next to nothing? I don't know why, but someone produced it for me. Look at what is

expensive in our lives. And invariably, there's a government role, a government hand. We've got a housing plan. We've got a health care plan and they're really expensive and they're expensive you look where there are not central plans and entrepreneurs keep coming up with new ways to meet the needs of the people and so i think the mistake is let's stop burdening ourselves with well what are you going to do i don't know what i'm going to do but i know that where there's freedom people keep producing for the needs of the people with the least. What is certainly true

is that what the rich enjoy in a free society is always and everywhere a preview of what we'll all enjoy if markets are free. Again, we have supercomputers in our pockets. I guarantee within the next 10 years, private flight is going to be common

for typical middle-class people. And within 20 years, poor people will be flying on private jets bank on it maybe maybe certainly this green new deal stuff this this great reset stuff they're trying to you know make rules for thee but not for me if the authoritarianism kicks in it'd be the opposite of course you're saying the free market means we all get private planes but they they're going the other direction. They would like to, but they're not. The free market is way too fast for these guys. And so I prefer to be optimistic, and I think history vindicates that, that we're going to outrun the planners. I think you might be right.

I hope so. You're outrunning the planners. Look at this. You're about to start. You're outrunning them right now. You're talking about a sitcom. Do you realize how difficult it used to be, how expensive it used to be, the barriers to entry to making a TV show? And yet you are talking about it from right here.

But the problem we face is that there are very powerful interests, authoritarian interests, that want us removed from the Internet. And they have influence. And they try to do it every single day. Always, always. Phil Knight spent the first 18 years of Nike's existence thinking this will be the last and tomorrow will be the last day of Nike. Think back to Jeff Bezos of Amazon. It's easy to look at the multi, the 100 billionaire, 200 billionaire today, but think back to the Amazon.org days.

Do you remember what a joke he was? Do you remember how you were laughed at? Oh, Amazon. Oh, please, they can't make a profit. They peddle books and they do it so very unprofitably. There are always people in the present trying to push down the future. I'm talking to three futurists right here. You're talking about things I've never heard of, and that should make you confident.

Did you know that you can commission a private plane for only a couple hundred bucks? I didn't, but it speaks to my argument. That's what I've been predicting for quite... And who needs the Fed? I made the argument that private flight will soon enough become a common good. So it's actually really obvious that this thing exists. Basically, people own private planes. Sitting around costs them money, wasting time.

So what they do is they'll be like six to 12 seats on a small plane, and you pay for one of those seats. It's literally how commercial flight works. But now you have a small private plane with drinks. It's only you and a few other people. It's much more comfortable, and it's easier and faster. You go to the airport through a private, smaller airport. You're flying on one of these corporate, private jets with typically the same amount of people

that would fly on a corporate flight anyway. They're going to have 6, 12 people anyway. And it's only going to cost you several hundred dollars. Now, it might be some of these flights I looked at, depending on how far they go, they're much more than a commercial flight because obviously you want that private experience with no other people bothering you,

no security checkpoints under that wasted time. Well, you're paying a premium for a reason. So I've seen some flights that are like double the cost of a commercial flight, but the cost has gone way down for the average person to the point where you could actually afford it if you wanted it to, if you wanted to. I always tell people this, even if you could afford it, it doesn't mean you should want to afford it. Like if I fly, I'm not going to waste money.

I'm not interested in spending $10,000 on a first-class seat. That's insane to me. But some people do it. I guess if you're worth $50 million, you'd do it. But I agree with you. I think if this keeps happening, we're going to get the Uber of planes where you're going to say like your flight is at 3 p.m., go to this small airport in this small area, and there's going to be a small little private jet, no security, no checkpoints, no TSA, because they know you.

They've screened you through the app. You walk right up, walk right into the plane, and they're on the runway, and they take off, and it'll be that easy. They'll send a helicopter to your house to pick you up. Do you know how much it costs to charter a helicopter in New York? It's only a couple hundred bucks, depending. So it's getting to the point where you assume someone's super rich because they're on a helicopter. It's like, actually, I know the average person's not spending a couple hundred bucks for a helicopter,

but you think this guy's Rockefeller with a helicopter. It might be some middle-class dude who works at BuzzFeed who's like, I need to make this quick trip on this helicopter upstate. A couple hundred bucks? And we're still in the age of combustion. We're kind of at the tail end of it, but once we enhance our battery power, our energy source, like a fusion battery or something or a nuclear battery or

even solar, obviously. They have solar airplanes. The dude circumnavigated the globe in the first solar airplane. I think it took him like 28 days or 18 days or something. We've got to make our batteries better. Yeah, the carbon twistronic graphene. Are you familiar with the material? It's monolayer

atomic carbon, and they figured out by stripping scotch tape off of graphite, they found this layer of carbon that's amazingly electrically conductive, and they're doing all these experiments with it. They won a Nobel Prize. If you twist it 1.1 degrees, two layers of it creates a superconductor. We're about to enter the age of graphene.

It's going to make steel obsolete, more or less. It's lighter than steel, but stronger. Once production ramps up. 2029, I think, is when we're going to start to hit peak graphene. This is one of the problems, I think. I think it's cultural. I think it's absolutely cultural. There's this poll that goes around the study where they asked young people,

what do you want to be when you grow up? Believe it or not, some of these kids, well, first of all, in China, they said astronauts. What do you want to be when you grow up? They said astronauts. When they asked these American kids and kids in the UK, what do you want to be? These poor kids, they wanted the stupidest job on the planet, YouTuber. Do you believe someone being dumb enough to make a career out of being on YouTube?

That's Chris, the Canadian colonel. I'm only half kidding being on YouTube? That's Chris, the Canadian colonel. I'm only half kidding. Who's the astronaut? Chris, the Canadian colonel. Yeah, he was making YouTube videos. Yeah, he's a YouTuber and an astronaut. No, I'm kidding. YouTube's a legit job.

But being an influencer is more so what they said. Don't you see what progress that represents, though? To an extent. Beautiful. What it needs to be is influencer or youtuber comes second right so i'm i got on youtube because i started as a journalist at at some of these companies i was doing technology stuff i was building drones then i started live streaming then i started working for vice then fusion from journalism i'm like this is an

excellent medium to bring political commentary news and and reporting for you mentioned the astronaut he's an astronaut first he's an influencer second so these kids shouldn't want to be famous for the sake of being famous they should strive to be something that develops culture and builds on culture but a lot of them just want to be famous yeah i noticed this firsthand i was a youtuber in 2006 7 and the reason it was exciting to watch is because I was also an actor in Los Angeles. The YouTube was like a portal into my main life. As soon as I stopped doing that and didn't have a main life and all I was doing was

relying on the videos, it became much less interesting. People stopped watching. It's only when you're doing I fully agree with what you're saying. Being an internet, YouTube, whatever, this is all supplement to what you're really doing with your life. And you can allow people to see it and become a part of it.

Inspire people to do more as well. So that's why I'm really adamant about making cultural stuff. So we're going to be filming a vlog with this BMX guy on Sunday who people mentioned the Super Chat. He hit me up and I was like, dude, yes, we got a skate park here. Let's get someone on a BMX to do some crazy cool tricks. And we're going to start making more and more stuff to inspire people to do other stuff. The YouTube stuff is fantastic because then people can see what you're doing, be inspired by it. So to wrap this all back up into a nice little package, we've got people who are worried about losing their jobs.

What we need is people who are going to start their own job instead of getting a job from somebody else. Too many young people. And going back to what I mentioned about young people saying, well, I can't find work, make work. What did I say I did? I went and played guitar on the subway. I didn't sit there and say the government should give me money. Actually, I did receive unemployment when I got fired. Don't get me wrong. I like that idea. But I said, well, I can't get a job. I can sit around and starve to death, or I can take my small little fiberglass. It's a strat acoustic. I don't know if they make them anymore. And I was like, I'll go play some top 40s that i like singing in the subway in chicago unfortunately you need a permit to do it so i had to go to i

had to go to the what was the tompkins center camera bush the daily center i go to the daily center fill out some form and it gave me this laminate it's like okay this person's allowed to play music in a subway and then i would play uh like o and CCR. And I was just having fun. I would just put my gig bag out and I would just start playing the guitar and singing and having fun with it because I like playing guitar and singing. And I would make like $15 an hour. And then I met

someone who was like, you know where you make the real money? Wrigley Field. Go play outside of Wrigley. Oh, you'll make money. You know how much I started making outside of Wrigley when I was playing guitar? $60 an hour? $100 an hour. You know why?

You wait until the game is over. You start playing some top 40s. And these drunk guys come out. And they're all singing with each other and rocking back and forth. And they're just showering you with money all drunk and happy. And I'm like, this is great. I found my own work. Now, ultimately, it wasn't enough

to like, it's, it's not so easy to play eight hours a day and it's not necessarily marketable, but for a young guy in my twenties, I didn't sit around saying someone should give me money or why won't someone hire me? I said, I'm going to find a way to make money. And so part of my philosophy has always been the simplest way to think about economics and jobs and resources is there's ian he's sitting across from me he's holding a green piece of paper i need to convince him to give me that green piece of paper without violence without threats following basic laws and rules be persuasive provide something of value to ian so hey man i made this you know this little doll of you would you like to buy it? Ian says,

here, I'll give you my green paper. That's all you're really doing. You've got a universal trade medium. Can you convince someone to exchange that with you for something you can offer? You make me think about the rent thing because when I was in LA, New York, and Chicago, I was so stressed every month. Every month. I worked as a waiter. I made 700 bucks a week. I was so stressed every month to pay my rent. It was like the last week of every month. I was just like it like this gut, this pain in my gut. Can I afford my bills this month? And it was distracting.

It was taking up my glucose. It was wasting my time and my energy. And eventually I decided I'm going to live in my car, and I had no shower. I would wash my hands with rainwater, but the stress was gone. I had that for the first time in my life. I didn't worry about can I survive this month, and also I was brainwashed like if I can't pay my rent, my life is over, but I would have lost access to my house and my shower.

That stress is insane. It's crazy to me that you know our our great-grandparents our great-great-grandparents the struggles they went through to have a family the the things they did not have no guarantees just hardship and today it's it's harder than it was maybe today it's harder than it was you know 2015 or so years ago we had this great economic boom under clinton i was a little kid so i don't really know a whole lot about how that went for most people, but I've heard about it on TV.

And I guess then you get the 2008 crisis. Now you get the pandemic crisis and the lockdowns, and people all of a sudden having their chairs pulled out from behind them and they're hitting the ground. It's a shock to a lot of people. Well, getting back to Ian, rent was this constant source of angst, and I think that's true for a lot of Americans. But think about, I'm not saying your apartment in L.A. was a palace, but my guess is relative to most parts of history, it was a palace in terms of the amenities. And so one way to look at it is, yeah, we're worried about rent on spaces that in

the past people would say, are you kidding me? You are living in a way that Rockefellers realistically could not live. Let's not forget that the first air conditioner was created for a Minneapolis Air in the 1930s. These were window units, massive, not even window units weren't even ready. These cost anywhere from $10,000 to $50,000 in the 1930s. Now, if you see a window unit, it's in poor parts of town. Again, what the rich enjoy is always in everywhere, a preview of what everyone will enjoy. Not by 1930s dollars though, right? You're saying by today's dollars? Oh, no, no, no. 1930s dollars if you wanted to buy. It was a $10,000 to $50,000. That's like the equivalent of millions of dollars. Precisely. That's why it was a Minneapolis Air who was buying the first air conditioner.

Like an heir to a fortune? Yeah. Could you imagine? You're this rich guy and you're like, check this out. It's 69 degrees in my penthouse. People would be like, wow. So I don't got to – you're not going to rip off all my sweat rags? It'd be like if we walked in, and they're like, all your – it's all wireless power in here. There are no wires. Everyone can charge everything. Your phone is charging as soon as you walk in the room.

Amazing. That's like – You'd be like, man, that's crazy. I would pay a couple million for that to be the first. Especially if you're a YouTuber, you can show the room. Amazing. You'd be like, man, that's crazy. I would pay a couple million for that to be the first. Especially if you're a YouTuber you can show the world. Well, you know there's a statue to the guy who invented

air conditioning in Miami? Oh, is that... So Carrier's the most... Is it Willis Carrier? That's... I gotta be honest. But there should be because it built the South.

I gotta be honest. People told me this and I'm pretty sure it's true, but when I heard that, because I lived in Miami for a little bit, I was like, get out of here. I don't believe you. And they're like, there's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning. Because you could not live here without air conditioning. People don't get that.

Now, it's remarkable. Every building, everywhere you go in Miami, you can see all of the condensation on the windows. Because everyone's inside in the summer. Or they're at the beach. Miami Beach is pretty awesome. But they're inside for the most part of the condensation on the windows because everyone's inside in the summer or they're at the beach. Miami Beach is pretty awesome. But they're inside for the most part with the air conditioning on blast. You know how they say that? Think about what that means. Because in India right now, 10% and that's a high number of New Delhi is air conditioned.

Families are physically ill because it's so hot and you don't sleep. And so think about what it means that so much of America is air conditioned. Well, to be fair, London isn't very air conditioned either. Europe is not. I don't know what their deal is. I hate going there. Let's get that hot. In America, we have air conditioning.

That's right. We're a different people. A lot of people use kerosene as well and like african countries and things to uh for light because they don't have electric light well they got gravity lights now yes yes i bought one of those i love those those are cool we should get one we should get in here okay you ever see a gravity light no it's a a high ratio gear system and you lift a rock up on a rope or string and then over time the rock's weight pulls the gears, which spins, powering the light. So cool. And then once it goes all the way to the bottom, you just right back up.

Like 60 bucks. Yeah. Super cool. But kerosene will kill people. A lot of death from kerosene inhalation. So what I wonder is have we caused a population boom that is untenable? Like the white-tailed deer. They sayable, like the white-tailed deer? They say, you need to hunt white-tailed deer because they'll eat so much they'll grow out of control,

and then they'll destroy the ecosystem. If we have air conditioning and unlimited water and food, are we just going to overproduce and then eat ourselves to death? Is that like, no? Okay, Thanos. Is part of starvation part of keeping the human population level? So what's the statistic? If you took the whole world's population right now and jammed them all into Texas, Texas would look like San Francisco. If you added Oklahoma to it, it would be the equivalent of putting four people per house with a yard in the house.

We haven't come close to scratching the surface of the United States. Not only that, I mean, Elon Musk is trying to go to Mars. Not that I think Mars life is going to be... I don't think people are going to have cities on Mars. Maybe we will, but there'll be biodomes, essentially. They'll be enclosed and we'll have to build inside structures to maintain the atmospheres and things like that. Maybe.

But I think one thing people often overlook is that technology solves a lot of the problems of our day. So are you familiar with the great poop crisis, the manure crisis of New York City? No. I could be wrong about this, so you guys can fact check me. I want to make sure. But I was reading about how the turn of the century, 1800s, 1900s in New York, they were like the manure crisis will destroy New York City because the horses are pooping everywhere and the population density is so large.

They were like, we predicted in 30 years there will be piles of manure on every street corner and then the car got invented. And then all of a sudden the horses were gone. Carbon emissions. Now the carbon emissions are happening and this is what people say. We need to invent the next iteration of transport that solves for that problem. Well, you got Tesla on the rise. It's not perfect because electricity still generates carbon in other areas, but hydrogen cells or maybe some kind of solid-state battery technology could greatly improve this.

Maybe we eventually implement enough renewables in certain areas for charging certain vehicles. We could offset a lot of our carbon emissions with renewables, but right now we don't have the technology to just end carbon fossil fuel technology. One of the problems we have with the left is they're saying get rid of all fossil fuels outright right now. We can't do that. But we can use nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, hydro dam stuff for certain bits that we could offset. And then we still have fossil fuels for the long-term stuff, for the winter stuff. And we can reuse carbon emissions too.

Almost immediately, it coming out of the smokestack, you can recapture it. They could turn it into graphene. Yeah, you could condense it. Let's never forget that oil existed on this earth for obviously obviously, millennia, and no one knew that it had a capability. And so to Ian's point about that graphene, we haven't scratched the surface of discovering the different ways that the world around us can power us, can cure cancer, all sorts of things. And so technology is going to fix this. And the idea that the gas-powered car

is the frontier of transportation ignores history let's not forget in the 19th century whale oil was the fifth largest industry in the united states things change so a dynamic economy like ours to presume that gasoline-powered cars are the frontier no no no no we just have to overcome the authoritarians these these these central planners these command economists these are the frontier. No, no, no, no. We just have to overcome the authoritarians. These central planners, these command economists, these are the people saying we should ban airplanes because it's bad for the planet. Could you imagine if we had all these horses pooping

everywhere and they're like, ban travel! Don't let people have horses because we're worried about what the horse manure will look like in 30 years. We're like, let us invent. Let humans invent. It's fascinating to me that, you know, that old quote from the head of the patent office where he's fascinating to me that you know that you know that that old quote from the head of the patent office where he's like everything that can be invented has been invented in like 1899 or something you've heard that before it's insane we didn't even discover the

electromagnetic spectrum at that point now it's like man if this guy even understood the the the electromagnetic spectrum as well as petrochemicals man plastics didn't exist all of a sudden now they used to have shotgun shells, used to be big, thick brass cartridges. Now it's just plastic. They still use brass a little bit, but it's plastics replaced a lot of things. The funny thing now is they're all screaming,

oh, but plastics are destroying the planet. Well, now a couple things have happened. There's been developments in fungi and bacteria that can break down plastics and turn it into sugar. And we've also seen natural emergence of bacteria that eats plastic. Why? Because evolution. Life finds a way.

I think there's a lot of pessimists who think the world is going to blow up and just like we're all going to die and we're doomed. And these people scare me because, look, it's one thing, in my opinion, to talk about the political conflict with these people. That's what I'm scared of. I'm not scared of the apocalypse because I think humans are smart. I think humans invent. And every problem we've seen over the past, humans have done a really good job of adapting to it and developing technologies to avert certain things. However, the big problem is the lunatic ideologue

authoritarians who don't want that and instead say, we must have my command central planning or effectively fascism or communism. Then they tell people what they can or can't do, and then what happens? Chernobyl blows up. And you get the elephant's foot, and people are dying, and there's radioactive carbon particles all up in the air, and everyone's freaking out.

The command economists cause lots of problems. I heard a conspiracy theory that the CIA was involved with blowing up Chernobyl. I don't know. Ever hear anything about that? They're not smart enough, trust me. They're like, there's no way that was Chernobyl. I don't know. Ever hear anything about that? They're not smart enough, trust me. They're like, there's no way that was an accident. I don't know.

What do you think is like the short-term and then medium to long-term? What's your medium long-term plan as well as short-term plan? For me? Yeah, just to evolve the economy and bring us to a sustainable. I think he's the not-planned guy.

I'm the not planned guy and but for all the reasons that you all are talking about we keep discovering things and so i want to limit government and expand freedom simply because the resources we create in the economy today are going to lead to such discoveries of new things you know politicians are constrained by the known that's why i think it's so dead they say we're going to lead to such discoveries of new things. You know, politicians are constrained by the known. That's why I think it's so – they say we're going to bring back jobs. Bringing back jobs is the single worst way to grow an economy. It destroys it.

You bring back the past, you push away the investment. You push away the talent. No offense, everyone out there. The most talented people don't want to work in factories. So if you promise to bring back factories, you repel the talent that attracts investment. There are a lot of people who want to work in factories and have experience working in it.

So one of the things I've often talked about with a bunch of my little lefty friends, listen, if there's a guy who spent 30 years as a postmaster, you know, he's maybe 60 years old now. He's had this job for a long time. You're, he's not going to go learn to code. He's not going to learn to build a solar panel. What's

that person supposed to do? Now I understand there's, there's a challenge. A lot of the left likes to bring up, you would, you, you know, you would destroy the car industry to save big horse. Like that's their joke. And I'm like, well, I don't want to stifle progress, but what do we do about those who have lost jobs due to technological advancement through no fault of their own? I don't think it's fair to just say you lose your livelihood, you're out, have a nice day. You know, what's that person going to do? It's a great question, but show me the places in the U.S. where jobs are destroyed most rapidly. I will also show you the places where jobs are created most rapidly.

People talk about Silicon Valley as tech encoder jobs, but the reality is that's where the job creation is fastest for personal trainers, for chefs, for baristas, for doctors. It's because those services need supplemental services. Where there's talent, there's never a problem of job creation. But you show me the places where they're trying to freeze the present in place, I'll show you very difficult times getting jobs. Let's never forget that Aliquippa, PA, used to be where immigrants came to get jobs. It was the steel industry factories.

Now, what did those parents say? Tony Dorsett's father, Mike Ditka's father, all these famous, they said, you get out of town. There's a book about this, about this guy, Frank Morocco. He got a scholarship to North Carolina State. And he comes back. He got homesick at North Carolina State. And he comes back, and his six brothers, who all worked in the mills in Aliquippa, were waiting for him at the airport. And they said, get back on that GD plane and don't come back.

As in, we lived this. This is awful. You have an opportunity to get out of Aliquippa. Closing steel mills did not destroy Aliquippa. What destroyed it was that the talent left, and the talent left is the parents said, get out of here. Well, what about, let's talk about Michigan, right? The auto plants, they move overseas, they move to Mexico or send some of their work to China. And then all of a sudden there's no cashflow coming into these places. And so these

supplemental jobs like lawyers, doctors, chefs, personal trainers don't have income anymore and they're forced to leave. Then you end up getting brain drain in these areas. If we incentivized or provided tax incentive or resources to factories, to auto companies to start factories there, we could revitalize this and help Americans in Michigan. I don't think so, and I think you know why. In the 1920s and 1930s, guess where the most factories were in the United States? The biggest manufacturing economies in the United States, the four cities. New York was number one. Imagine that. Flint and Detroit were two and three.

Los Angeles was four. If the departure of factories destroyed cities, New York and Los Angeles would be desperate monuments to the past. No, what destroys cities is the departure of human capital. And human capital goes to the future. It does not go to the past. And so to subsidize keeping what the rest of the world wants, and what the rest of the world will do exponentially cheaper for you is the path toward economic decline. So what then do you do when, let's say, factories did leave Michigan, right? Yeah. Left everywhere. What do you think was the reason people started leaving Michigan?

The talented people did not want factory jobs. They did not want the past. And so when you drive away the talented, you drive away jobs across the board. But what drove away the talented? What were they doing? Were they there in the first place? I mean, it was unquestionably. Let's not forget that Michigan used to be Silicon Valley. Detroit used to be Silicon Valley. And why was it? It was because just about every business founded in Detroit failed. In Silicon Valley today, just about every startup out there dies, 9 out of 10. It's a monument to failure.

But that's the source of its success. They don't live in the past. There are no sacred cows. What fails is liquidated. In Detroit, they started bailing out the past. And in doing that, they created sclerosis. So what if they said, new startup companies will get a tax break?

I think it's a mistake, and I think you know why that's a mistake. Look, I'm all for low taxes. New startups don't make any money to be taxed in the first place. That's a good point. So how do you get the smart people back to a place like Michigan? It's hard to say because let's look at another obvious American example. Seattle in the 1970s was

Detroit. Remember, it's a true story that there was a sign up where the last person to leave Seattle turned out the lights. It was a dying city. Well, Bill Gates happened to leave Seattle turned out the lights. It was a dying city. Well, Bill Gates happened to grow up there. So did Paul Allen. They started Micro-Soft in Albuquerque, New Mexico, but they had an affinity for Seattle. They came back, and in coming back, they transformed a city. Who knows why, but they chose it. And then Jeff Bezos, these different people come out there.

Talent, very few, the vital few revive cities. Government cannot do it. And then Jeff Bezos, these different people come out there. Talent, very few. The vital few revive cities. Government cannot do it. And so to me, the only answer is to say the last thing you'd want to do as a Buffalo, New York, is have a high tax rate. It's going to make it less likely. I'll tell you this. New Jersey drove us out. We were in the Philly area just on the other side of the river in New Jersey. And the authoritarianism and mismanagement and high taxes, it was very clear to me you do not want to be here and even now

maryland is is pretty awful as well and so as we're looking to expand and and we're looking at how we're going to actually have a structure a corporate structure that exists beyond just this one show yeah i mean these states are really good at driving away talent we were to be somewhat humble i suppose we were looking at building a city a couple years ago me and tim were like yeah let's do it we're sitting in the cafe and you're like yeah let's buy this buy well this small town in pennsylvania and we'll start it and i was visualizing like me you and like six other people and the fireman and like the sheriff but now i'm starting to think if we build it up around a university like a late where we build graphing or like a campus or something anywhere near

university well if we build if we build a learning facility that'll give people a reason to go there other than the cult worship of like i hope i see tim pool walking around town like a real reason to build some some tech we could build like even if it's like 5,000 people, like that's all cities started from nothing. It started with a few people. So what we were looking at when we were talking about this was that what we do is internet based. So what we do need is proximity to an airport so that we could bring guests on the show.

Because if we're four hours up in the middle of the woods in this small hovel, how are we going to get guests out there? It's not going to be easy to do. So that kind of stifles things. But the general idea is if we can produce content online that's inspiring people, we don't need to be in LA, New York, Chicago, or any of these big cities. We can literally be in the middle of nowhere in the wild lands or whatever of Pennsylvania, and people are going to want to be there. And we're going to be able to connect with people. Might be a lot cheaper in terms of land, a little bit more expensive in terms of importing resources, but then we can actually start growing something and building something. It wasn't so much about creating a city. It was about revitalizing a town that lost its economy

for one reason or another. So a lot of these towns I was looking at, they used to be booming because of the railroads. The railroads had to go through there and stop and make various stops and resupply. And this created peripheral enterprise, restaurants, imported goods, fuel, the train would stop. We need this, that, and this. There you go. Now that we have truckers, freight, they don't stop anymore. A lot of these small towns are just drying up, disappearing. So that was one of the ideas. Maybe we could help bring back life to one of these small towns. Ultimately, we just decided to go to the middle of nowhere for the most part and close enough to D.C. to where people could easily get here. What concerns me about the town thing is the centralization of it because I'm kind of with you guys.

I'm not really into centralization. I see the danger of it and the flaws in it, the holes in it. You become vulnerable when you centralize your plan because people know where it is and they can attack it if they want. But also there's a value to community and being around other humans physically. You're here. It's way different than if you were on Skype. No question. So what do you think is the balance of centralizing city planning or cities in the future?

I see like magnetic trains taking us from small community to small community. Why aren't we building maglev trains? I would love to do that. Why is it that Tucker Carlson points out, and Bill Maher, this is amazing, Bill Maher and Tucker Carlson

point out nearly the exact same time within a few days of each other, that China's got 40,000 kilometers of high-speed rail. We can't do it. Why can't we do it? Is it possible we could do it, but we're not going to waste the kind of money? Again, implicit in what the state builds is that politicians have some hotline to the future.

I reject the notion outright. Oh, the opposite. Precisely. And so who cares that China's got that? Guess what? Go to China. You know what they worship is they worship everything American. Any city in China you go to, there's McDonald's, KFC, Apple Store, Nike Store. What we do in the United States is venerated there. So I think China's rise is amazing. But to pretend that what the state did somehow diminishes what happens here,

I think speaks to a lack of understanding on the part of both Tucker Carlson and Bill Maher about what grows a society and an economy. The problem with China is the authoritarian communist party that has its tendrils and everything. There's a big difference between like a regular person really liking McDonald's and American Enterprise, and then the creepiness of the authoritarian state controlling everything. No question, but even there, people worry about that. Well, if the state is that authoritarian, if it's got its hands so much in business, that's a problem for us because it means China is not going to grow as much as we thought. Because the more China grows, the more that we grow. It's the division of labor that's always built up countries.

And so I think people mistake the threat of China, but I also think it's certainly true that when you look at China in a broad sense, if they're going in the direction that people say they are, it's not going to be a threat. But my understanding from it is that the Chinese, the typical Chinese person on the ground, doesn't experience the state a whole lot. Sure. Why wouldn't China be a threat, though, if they grow? Because if they're growing economically, it means they're meeting our needs, which means that we get to specialize even more, which means we get to grow even more. Never is it true that a country growing economically hurts others around them.

Almost by definition, they help us expand because they do work that's not in our self-interest to do. They make T-shirts, socks, and shoes, and that frees us up to create the most valuable companies in the world. So then I'll give you a – I'll reference a good old Tim Kast IRL cliche. Are you familiar with Thucydides' Trap? No. It's this concept that whenever a rising economic power is about to displace the dominant economic power, war erupts. And there's been for at least a decade now fear that that's going to happen between the U.S. and China, particularly with the constant cyber warfare that's been going on for some time.

Then you've got the Chinese strike groups going through the Strait of Taiwan, I believe it's called, and their claims to the South China Sea, the sinking of Vietnamese boats, the expanding of the military into the South China Sea, into the atolls. And recently we had an elephant walk in Guam and I think the U.S. retreated our military forces and brought them back to the U.S. There was a fear that China could have wiped out that entire force. So there's real concerns that with China taking Hong Kong, right now they're doing beaching drills, which people assume is mostly about seizing Taiwan, that if the U.S. can't maintain that control, China's economic growth will eventually displace the U.S.

and they're on track for 2028, I believe, right now, and then war. Well, if they go to war with us, it would destroy their economy. Now, it may be that they don't care about that, but, and then if we say that their economy will displace ours,

no, it would be potentially bigger in a backwards number like GDP terms, but China's a desperately poor country relative to us. They'll still be exponentially poorer than we are in 2020. Their per capita income right now is, what, $4,000 a year. And Aliquippa, PA, that poor, depressed American right now is what, $4,000 a year. And Aliquippa, PA, that poor, depressed American city, it's over $20,000. So it's still a very poor country. But again, if they grow richer, they will grow richer because the U.S. becomes quite a bit richer. But isn't that per capita GDP just based on the fact that the authoritarian government is authoritarian?

I mean, they've got more millionaires in China. I mean, for an obvious reason as well. They've got substantially more people. When has the state ever been able to build an economy like that? We know authoritarianism from the 20th century. We know what it looked like. It smelled intensely. It was lines for shoes that didn't fit and that you didn't want.

What did P.J. O'Rourke always say? That Bulgarian blue jeans ended the Cold War. China is not authoritarian in the way that the communist world was in the 20th century, where the people were desperately hungry, deprived, miserable. To go to China is to go to a very modern place. Again, I'm not defending every aspect about it, but I think it's a mistake to say that they're authoritarian in the way that the former Soviet Union was

or that Cuba is today or that North Korea is. I mean, in what sense, though? They currently have concentration camps? They would argue that we do, too. This is not me bashing... I love the United States. The Chinese always wonder, well, the U.S. treated Indians in a certain way. They treated black people in a certain way.

Why is it that we're criticized for certain things that we do? Again, I'm not defending it. Because they're doing them now. Guantanamo Bay. And because they have nuclear weapons and because they're growing at such a rate that if there is right now a country that currently thinks it's okay to engage in the formation of concentration camps and ethnic genocide, and there's another country, the United States, the dominant superpower, which doesn't agree with that, and that's inherently better than the other, why would we let a country that supports genocide and concentration camps take over the global economy and challenge our authority? They can't – a country can't take over a global economy. challenge our authority? They can't.

A country can't take over a global economy. It's its people within it. The U.S. is the biggest economy, most prosperous economy in the world. But if you went to, again, Burkittsville, Maryland, would you think that? I mean, there are parts of the U.S. that are very rich. There are parts of the U.S. that are desperately poor. Same with China. It's not a country thing. But if China, the more China grows rich, by definition, its wealth redounds to us because if they're not, by virtue of getting rich,

that means that they're improving our lives by selling us things that we need, which allows us to specialize. Or they're gaining influence over our country's leaders, who then pass laws favorable to China, which suppress our rights. Case in point, when Hong Kong was being essentially taken over by China, you couldn't buy a custom jersey from the NBA that said free Hong Kong. They banned it. People like Mark Cuban and Steve Kerr came out in defense of Chinese authoritarianism. Why? Because they were in on the take. If China grows powerful and they gain access to all these resources, they start making more money because they make our medicine, because they make most of our, you know, many of our basic goods that we can't manufacture anymore. Then at a certain point,

you are going to see, we have our politicians, we have Joe Biden flying his son on Air Force Two to China for a private equity deal. And then they're going to be deferential to Chinese authoritarianism as opposed to American constitutionalism. And then one day you'll wake up and find that you have politicians saying things like we should allow the Chinese way of life into our universities, which we have the Thousand Talents Program. You're going to end up with people like Mark Cuban, a prominent TV personality, advocating on behalf of Joe Biden to get elected and advocating against the First Amendment, our

own constitutional rights. What we thought was going to happen was that opening up China and expanding our trade deals, there was this idea among this neoliberal group of global politicians that trade lines will end war. I heard it from Penn Jillette, actually, and I believe he's active in the Cato Institute. He said what ended war between Britain, Great Britain and France, or England and France, was economics. They realized they could all become much better off and wealthier.

But to a certain degree, they have a very different culture for a certain amount of time, but then they also share certain values, namely religious values and basic moral framework. The United States does not share a moral framework with Chinese communism. So as China gains more power, we thought they would become more like us. In fact, the opposite is true. Do you think the state controls the economy in China? I think that the Communist Party has tendrils in all of their major corporations. And it's American. What are you worried about then? Based on what you're saying, they're not a threat economically, because unless the Chinese are genetically superior in such a way

that their businesses can somehow survive the state wanting to control what they do. And we know here that the state is limited by the known. You guys are planning an all new way of doing things economically that politicians would be surprised about because they've never even heard of it. So unless the Chinese are somehow unique, what you're describing signals their eventual decline economically. I don't think so. What they're doing is they're allowing capitalistic enterprise while making sure that certain things that would threaten their structures can't exist. So for instance, we see this now in the US in many ways. If you say the wrong opinion or even the wrong name on these platforms, you'll be eliminated.

You say complimentary things. We're talking about doing a sitcom. We're talking about expanding and producing culture. At any moment, any one of these, any part of the infrastructure, the chain links that allows us to exist could ban us for an arbitrary reason. And we see it all the time. People get erased from the internet. Their opinions are not allowed to exist. And there's an attempt by this dogmatic cult to create a monoculture in this country, very similar to what we see in China. So what the Chinese Communist Party did that was brilliant, when they watched the collapse of the Soviet Union, when they watched the failures of the fascists, they realized, you know what works?

Allow capitalistic systems to function to a certain degree and then make sure we have a place to stop anything that would challenge our ultimate authority and power. We want businesses to grow and flourish. But if at a certain point we see something that would upend our power, we shut it down. So what happens in China? Censorship. If you go online and say there was a, you know, we had this viral video where a guy was buckled to a chair and beaten by police for saying he didn't like police. So sure, they have McDonald's. They also get their doors welded shut when they get sick and then they die. They're treated like things, part of a hive instead of individuals.

What's scary then is in the US as more and more of our wealthy individuals, our millionaires, our billionaires, and the lobbyists who are funded by them started getting special favor from China, started having investments in China. They became deferential to China. You'll see these billionaires who would say, if I come out and say free Hong Kong, I might lose a million dollars this year, so I won't do it. In fact, if I allow people to buy a NBA jersey that says free Hong Kong, China will get mad at me and we'll lose our NBA contract, so I won't allow that. Now Americans were actually barred from saying free Hong Kong. That's a value that we hold dear in terms of our history with classical

liberalism, freedom of the individual and the consent of the governed. China doesn't respect that. The more power they gain economically over our industries and our politicians, the more those politicians are going to keep deferring to China. And then come 2028, when their economy displaces ours, there's going to be a substantially large amount of very wealthy individuals flooding money all throughout the United States to pass laws that suppress the rights of American citizens. Now, the Chinese Communist Party has their party branch in all of these companies in China.

If you want to open a Google office in China, the Communist Party gets a branch. Well, in the United States, we're getting something similar with the Office of Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity, this cult-like ideology of leftist identitarianism, which functions in a very, very similar way. And it seems, in many ways, deferential to China. So my fear is, if the United States continues down a path of culturelessness or cultural stagnation, and we keep deferring to, hey, we all make money when China makes our vitamin C and our antibiotics. Eventually, China is just going to have all the money and they're

going to be able to pay people off. And it's been happening and it's working and it's bad for us. Case in point, the numerous amount of university professors who were arrested and charged with taking money from China without telling the U.S. government. So you had professors who were getting grants from the U.S. government and then also secretly taking money from China without telling the US government. So you had professors who were getting grants from the US government and then also secretly taking money from the Chinese Communist Party, essentially or allegedly, to then give American research to China. So we pay for it. The American taxpayer, the American labor, and then China uses it to exploit us. They then gain more economic influence.

They then give incentives to our millionaires and our billionaires who then turn around and tell all of these local politicians, all of the, they pay for these commercials and they run propaganda and politicians that suppress our rights and take away from us. If this keeps continuing, eventually China will, will, will stage, will actually invade Taiwan. Joe Biden won't be able to do anything about it. The rest of the world will say the U.S. is unable to protect its allies. And then China becomes the global dominant power. And then when you talk about all this wonderful American culture that spreads across the globe, it will start changing into Chinese communist culture.

Then in the United States, which we're already seeing calls for banning hate speech, they're going to be people who end up in prison and beaten for saying the wrong thing. Once we start losing our constitutional rights, and we are, then how long until we just clap and cheer and watch as China takes over and we just do what they want? Well, because what you're saying once again can't happen if the state's planning. You're saying the Chinese can control the future. They can control businesses. But implicit there is that they know what the businesses of the future will be. We see that as folly all the time in the United States. Let's never forget that back in 2005, Blockbuster wanted to merge with a movie gallery. The FTC said no,

too dominant in home rental video. So out of nowhere comes Netflix and wipes them out. If you go back to 2000, Time Warner wanted to merge with AOL. Government held that up for a year. That was going to be too powerful of an industry. You know, there's no way if that's that they're going to have full control. Oh, yeah. Well, then a few years of that merger, AOL was wiped from the masthead. Back in the 1960s, the view was that if GM isn't controlled, isn't constrained by government a little bit more, they're going to own the whole car industry.

By 2008, that same federal government was bailing them out. By definition, when government tries to control business, it is controlling the past. Once government discovers you as worthy of plucking for money, once it discovers the billionaires worthy of plucking, they've discovered the past. Remember, I submit to you Microsoft in the late 90s. That was another allegedly impermeable monopoly, except for that it was unaware of the power of the Internet, is unaware of the power of search, is unaware of the power of the smartphone, is unaware of the power list goes on and on. So implicit here is that the Chinese, once again, have a sense of what the future is.

They don't, and so if they are trying to control industry, they will, by definition, limit industry's growth, and they will not become the economic power you think unless they have a superpower gene that the world has never seen before. But I didn't say that. I didn't say they know what's going to succeed. businesses and they will limit them in certain ways so as a way to limit their their ability to grow in such a way that would threaten the communist party's existence yes so based on that in the u.s what the federal government would have done is come after microsoft once again would have come after blockbuster because you know it was so powerful would have come after uh come after time warner and aol government is always looking in the past.

And so every time, if that's what the Chinese government's doing, once again, you've got nothing to worry about because the businesses that are going to be dominant in China in the future are not the ones today. And that's the same thing here. If you have me back in five years or 10 years, how much do you want to bet that Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook aren't the five most valuable companies in the world? I'll put any amount of money on that. Perhaps. And I will win. But how do you explain then the fact that already we are seeing American industrialists support Chinese communism over American constitutional liberalism or classical liberalism, not liberal

in the political sense? Well, for one, I think, once again, for the typical Chinese, they don't experience government authoritarianism on a daily basis. This is not to defend, but can we at least to some degree admit that when we talk about the dissidents in China and we defend them and we get behind them. It's kind of a rich man's concept. It's a Paris, Los Angeles, New York concept. You think the typical Chinese knows about these dissidents? They don't. Right. So the great firewall and the suppression of free speech keeps people ignorant and unable to fight back. I don't think so. I think you'd find the same thing here. Go to Aliquippa PA and see how many people could have this conversation with you. I think you'd find the same thing here. Go to Aliquippa PA and see how many people could have this conversation with you. I don't think it's as much suppression because anyone who's

all good with computers in China can get beyond the firewall. It's so easy. Every time I've been to China, you get a VPN, you can get any information you want. Do they suppress Tiananmen Square? You better believe it. But if you have passable knowledge of computers in China, you can get all the information you want about it. And so it's the same thing there. The typical Chinese is just too busy trying to make a living to worry about it. This isn't me defending it. But I think this notion that they're all repressed people is belied by what exists over there. If it were that repressive, it couldn't be that gleaming of a country in many ways with buildings going up and all sorts of economic opportunity.

Why do U.S. businesses kowtow? Look, it's a huge market. And why is it a huge market? It is because the people there are increasingly free to produce in very entrepreneurial ways. So long as it doesn't challenge the authority of the Chinese Communist Party and their goals. But again, that implies that the Chinese Communist Party knows what the future is. It doesn't. I don't understand that. Because the only thing the CCP can do is take on what exists.

They built the Great Firewall of China, which you said some people know how to get past. Oh, my gosh. But many people don't know how to get past. And many people in the U.S. aren't very good at computers. They don't have near the knowledge of computers that the two of you do here. Yet they were still able to create dozens of websites and an entire alternative media ecosystem that challenges the establishment every day and resulted in the election of Donald Trump, which really pissed off the establishment. The Chinese Communist Party is not going to lose power because they'll lock people up who say the wrong words. Very hard to do.

Because again, what keeps happening in China is by the time the censors get to it, it's too late and it's already so dispersed. Never forget that you guys, an entrepreneur in Houston once told me after Obama was elected in 2009 and a lot of people on our side were kind of downcast. I said, are you worried?

He said, are you kidding me? I am way too smart for Obama. I was way too smart for Bush beforehand. Capitalism and the profit motive and technology, what you guys are talking about here, you're so ahead of the politicians. And to pretend that the Chinese communist politicians somehow have a sense of the future, no, no, no. But you keep saying that, and I'm not implying that. I think you're assuming there's an implication. I'm not saying that.

Okay, so then let's agree. If you make a website called, you know, I will dissent China, they will delete that in two seconds because you are insulting them. Not fast enough. Not fast enough. What they keep finding there is that by the time the censors get to it, that the information is already dispersed. But that's not the issue.

The issue is that over several years in the United States, the ability of people to create sub, we'll use Reddit for example, the Donald. This was a massive community that brought together Trump supporters. And according to MIT's technology review, it was one of the most prolific, one of the biggest proliferators of memes on the internet, period. In fact, many leftists were adopting the same memes used by Trump supporters, but just reappropriating them back against, you know, against the right in favor of the left. These forms were eliminated after a certain amount of time, but for years they were allowed

to exist. For years, certain personalities were allowed to flourish and function on the internet. Twitter called their website the free speech wing of the free speech party. Well, one by one, they started eliminating many of these channels and they're still doing it. The United States isn't the same as communist China, where they can just snap their fingers and eliminate the idea at a moment's notice. Sure, we all see the one mean, but it's not allowed to grow. It's not allowed to develop. A community is not allowed to form. So people are constantly struggling in China with a game of whack-a-mole, where the Communist Party is shutting down those who oppose their power. In the US, it seems only

recently big tech, Silicon Valley, and these corporatists, many of whom are deferential to China and other special interests, have started doing the same thing. Twitter says we have a global policy. So right now on Twitter, the problem we face as Americans is that an Australian citizen can go on Twitter and say anything they want about Donald Trump, say during the election. They can make up every line in the book. They can scream he's an agent of Russia and Twitter allowed that. But if you were an American citizen who tried sharing a story about Joe Biden's son, they would ban you, block you or eliminate that. Now, for a long time, this wasn't happening. And it goes against many of the values we hold dear as Americans, free speech, free inquiry. China is the opposite. They've always been

suppressing this information. And they haven't been able to, is my point. They absolutely have. Much more different. No, they haven't. Where are the large communities? Anyone with passable computer skills can get whatever they want information on what the government did with Tiananmen Square. And risk going to jail? It's not a risk. You can't censor everyone. And to your point about Twitter, look, there's no doubt.

But implicit there is that Twitter is the frontier of this. I guarantee you within a year or two, Twitter is going to be yesterday. That's why I wasn't very worried when Parler was when Amazon and the others went after Parler. Yes, it bothered me, but I guarantee you what vanquishes Twitter is a company you've never heard of. Yeah, immutable databases like

blockchain and IPFS, like PocketNet, things with like where data can't be deleted. You might be able to try and prevent access to the data, but the data remains. It's the Netflix concept again. Remember, Netflix for years tried to get Blockbuster to buy it. And Blockbuster said, oh, please, Netflix, really?

And then they wiped them out. We're all focused on Parler right now. And, oh, it's just so unfair what big tech is doing. Guaranteed, it's a company you've never heard of that's going to wipe out Twitter and some of these. And believe me, in our lifetime, how much do you want to bet? Let's keep in touch. Amazon's going to be wiped out by someone younger. The only constant in a free society, and that's why we never have to worry about China because they're not as free,

is that the past is constantly being replaced by the future. And I don't see that changing right now. Big tech is a moving target. And how we know that is the only businesses that don't think they're too powerful, that know their power ephemeral, are big tech. Why would they be spending tens of billions of dollars a year on new businesses and new technologies if they thought that they had a dominant position forever?

They're doing it because they know. They've seen how, what were the big internet companies in the 20th century, 21st century began? Yahoo, AOL, eBay. Have you heard about them much lately? Guaranteed, within 10 years, we're not going to be talking about these very much. Because in the year 2000, Mark Zuckerberg was in high school. And I'll bet you any amount of money within 10 years, some kids in high school today, younger people are going to eclipse these guys. I'm not worried about big time.

So how did the Soviet Union start? How did it start? It was a revolution of workers. They basically wanted to kill the royal family. There was an ideology spreading of communism and Marxism. And I'm not going to pretend to know enough about the history to give you a history lesson or anybody watching. The point I'm simply trying to make is that at some point, the country had a dramatic revolution and changed. How did what happened with the history of China? I mean, how many people died and were killed in China? A hundred million. How many people?

Communism, 70 to 100. I don't know. It was a high. Communism has a body. But they weren't always communist countries. No, no, they weren't. Now, I would point out to you, it's rarely the case that this wasn't a workers' revolution in Russia. It's usually its upper middle class that foments these.

It's never workers. Absolutely. And right now what we're seeing with the woke cultists is they tend to be these suburban white progressives. And not a lot of people like to hear that, I guess, but it's mostly true. It's mostly white people who are critical race theorists. So how do we maintain the freedom for an industry to exist when cult ideologies are taking over, much like we saw a long time ago in other countries? I've got an optimistic assessment for that. We're all free thinkers here. Ultimately, while our ideology, I think I speak for the three of us. Tell me if I'm wrong. We love freedom.

Oh, yeah. If we were running the United States, I guarantee you woke cultists would be everywhere. There'd be 30 AOCs if I were running the United States, 30 Bernies. And why is that? Because I think free people create a lot of wealth. And they create the very wealth that people like bernie and aoc can demagogue against bernie and aoc and elizabeth warren are a creation of the wealth they claim to disdain so in my world there'd be a lot more of them i'm not surprised that there are a lot of

woke cultists in the united states massive wealth creation and that is born of freedom allows for an endless stupidity. It's in the poor countries where people can't be revoltingly stupid. So to some degree, I tend to look at some of this and I say, oh yeah, boy, we must be a really rich country because look at some of the stuff kids are able to do out of college. Was China particularly rich when they had their communist takeover? Yeah.

If you look at Shanghai in the 1920s and 30s, it was a very advanced city economically with some of the most talented entrepreneurs in the world. And to be clear, a very global entrepreneurial base. Americans, a huge Jewish population. And then they became communists.

Yes, very upper middle class Chinese. A few of them took over and it was destroyed. Global entrepreneurship. The Chinese have a very weird view of the world. They tend to look at things a lot more long term. And so I think they viewed this, and this was a tragedy. This isn't defending it for a second. But look, it happens.

And so we've got to be vigilant at all times. I'm not saying sit, lay down our arms. But I'm not surprised in a country as rich as the United States that there aren't shockingly dim people out there. We don't make our own medicine. So what? So what if China one day says no medicine for you? Are they going to stop selling it? They could absolutely just decide to stop selling it and cut us off.

So they'll sell it to no one? They'll sell it to no one. They'll keep it for themselves. When the pandemic started, what did they do? They turned their ships around and took all the PPE back. Well, so what happened?

Do you remember 1973? There was an Arab oil embargo in the United States. Did we stop consuming Arab oil? I wasn't alive. Well, it doesn't mean. You can read the history. Of course not.

We still bought every bit as much Arab oil as we did before. We just bought it from those they sold to. Now, it's possible the Chinese would go to the expense of creating all this medicine that saves lives and sit on it. Keep it for themselves to save their lives in a war. You think it wouldn't be smuggled out of the country? You think that if that were the only medicine available, it wouldn't find its way to the U.S.? We've had a drug war against drug use in the U.S. for decades.

How does that work? How did that – we still have – Do you think a black market would displace the entire pharmaceutical industry in delivery of medications? Oh, my. No. If the only medications were in China and they were sitting on them, as in you can't sell them, guaranteed, that would be smuggled out. Guaranteed. Not in the quantities Americans would need it in a war in in which case very quickly just as we've been able to mobilize for wars before you'd very see very quickly see

americans come up with the answers to that which that which which we don't have and so i'm not worried about that the reality is that the u.s could be at war with every oil producing nation on earth and be embargoed by every single other one. And we would still consume all of the oil that they produce as though it bubbled up in West Texas. Let's never forget that England in the 19th century was at war at one time with every European country and embargoed by all of them. Yet they were still importing all that they produced. Think back to World War I. The U.S. imposes a trade embargo on Germany. And guess what happened? Out of nowhere, suddenly all these U.S. exports are going to Scandinavian countries.

We were still trading with the Germans. They were just routing them through Scandinavian countries. When the Arabs, their embargo on us in 1973 was entirely symbolic. We still consumed Arab oil. Think about it. Did it cost us more? No, not one cent more. It cost more because we devalued the dollar, which Tim would know about. We left the stability. Oh, Ian, I'm sorry. But maybe he's right.

Yeah. And so you look at modern times. We've got trade embargoes on Iran. Cuba's got brand new cars for years, haven't they? Well, there are iPhonesiphones all over iran even though we've got a trade embargo guess what's the main currency in iran the dollar what's the main currency in in north korea the dollar in venezuela it's the dollar unless you can shut unless the u.s literally walls off itself in which the walls would still be porous what we produce is

everywhere in the world we could still embargo the rest of the world we'd still be there the chinese can't keep anything of value from yeah but but there's a big difference between free flow of goods and heavily restricted smuggled goods uh there's north korea is not particularly advanced you know i mean they've got they've got a city but if you look at the nighttime satellite picture of north korea versus south korea there's a very big difference. I think they're underground. I think they built an underground kingdom. That's a whole other conversation. Look, countries can keep their people down.

There's no question. The point is, is if the Chinese tried to decide to commit economic suicide by not allowing their goods to escape the United States, escape the country, which would be economic suicide for them. Why would it be? Because if you're, why would you produce and not sell to the biggest market on earth? Why would you declare war on another country? It's a very good question. But to be clear, usually wars with other countries are what result after trade is broken down them. It's much less likely for countries to go to war.

It's kind of a hackneyed statistic at this point. But as of today, I believe it's still true. A country with McDonald's in it has never invaded another country with a McDonald's. I've heard that. That's really interesting. When you've got a rooting interest in another country, it's kind of like, would the Chinese invade the U.S.? It's certainly possible, but it would be the equivalent of Gucci invading Beverly Hills. Dude, if that's a real statistic that a country with McDonald's never invaded another country, that's really, really promising.

Yeah. It's from one of the – I'm not a big fan of his, but it's from a Thomas Friedman book. Oh, wait. Sorry. Well, I don't know if I want to use Snopes. Let's see what they say. Have two McDonald's-containing countries ever been at war with each other? Whether an economic theory involving McDonald's franchises and war literally holds true

largely depends on one's definition of war. They say countries that both have McDonald's have never been involved in a war. Now, Snopes, I'm not a fan of. So when they say something's false, I don't necessarily believe it. When they say something's true and it's obviously true, I'll use it on purpose. But they go on to mention this. They say Friedman's idea

was somewhat tongue in cheek and not necessarily meant to be taken literally and absolutely. It does not seem to have held true in all cases. They say, let's see, communism suffered its first big Mac attack today

as McDonald's opened up a restaurant in Yugoslavia and police were called in to keep customers who lined up. It's tensions between different ethnic groups. So a series of bloody conflicts in the 1990s resulted in piecemeal dissolution of Yugoslavia that led to the Kosovo War, which was waged between February 98 and June 99, and pitted

the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, blah, blah, blah, with the Albanian army on the ground. It was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia whose capital in Belgrade. I'm not going to read the whole thing. I guess the general idea is they're saying it depends on your definition of war. But they say in 1989, the U.S. invasion of Panama, 1999, the Kargil War, India and Pakistan over Kashmir,

the 2008 Georgian War, and the 2014 invasion of Ukraine. It's very limited. Yeah, it's fairly powerful in the sense, what's the bastiat quote when goods don't cross borders armies will i mean we have countries are trading with each other war is much less likely limited in the capacity of like world war ii i guess yeah there's only been like five or six instances of it and it hasn't been global conflict when it happens i mean that's very common sense well i would never want to invade a trade partner yeah i can't say never

but you don't want to kill your best customers it's just it's just only logical not to kill your best customers and so i i do believe the greatest cheapest foreign policy the world ever conceived of was trade obviously because when we're dividing up work and working for one another uh war becomes very expensive what john f kennedy Kennedy's father always said to him, because he was a global trader, he said, son, war is really bad for business. Stay out of the wars. Unless you're Halliburton,

unless you're an arms manufacturer, so we've got to keep our eyes on them. Interesting that you say that, but if you look at the companies, the defense contractors in the 1960s, it's common to say that they wanted Vietnam. Their share prices actually fell in the 1960s. It common to say that they wanted vietnam their share prices actually fell in the 1960s it wasn't war is a bad business and it's bad business for everyone

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Tim's super would be him throwing some seeds and the chicken swarming the bad guy. Ian's super, he drinks graphene and becomes invincible for five seconds. I'm sorry. I've got to stop you there. I would love to make a fighting game. We will look into this. And I think it would be way more fun to make a culture war fighting game. So a long time ago, someone made a culture war fighting game image, a meme, where it was Super Smash Brothers. And it was the character selection screen from Smash Brothers with all of these different culture war personalities.

And it was blue on the left and faded slowly to red, representing left, right, and center. And then they had all of these different people like Steven Crowder and Alex Jones and Tim Poole and Sargon. And then other leftist personalities, David Pakman, Kyle Kalinske. I thought it was hilarious. I think it would absolutely be hilarious to make a fighting game based on just political personalities. You know what would be awesome is if it was a two-dimensional or three-dimensional fighting game. But you could at any time zoom into your character and fight first person. I don't know how that would work.

And then zoom back out. We need to develop the genre. So that would be cool. I like two-dimensional fighting games. But anyway, what I was going to say is Ian's superpower would that he would have some kind of like nanographing tech. And he would pull the graphene out and it would take different shapes. So Ian would have like one special move. It's like down, forward, punch.

And then a claw forms the graphene. And then it can also fire a wire of graphene and electrocute you. Back back B would be like a graphene shield. Would like throw up in front of me for a second. Yep. I'm down. Graphene. I want chickens.

I don't think my superpower would be chickens or anything like that. Lydia gets chickens. Yes, okay. Chickens. Chicken master. Carl Roy says the debate between Ian and Tim was great yesterday. I like Ian even if I disagree with his opinion on that one. We talked about the debate between objectivism and subjectivism.

Well, no, it's objective and subjective evil. Right. There's a lot of philosophers. Good and evil are objective and can be, I'm sorry to interrupt what you're saying. I was going to say, a lot of philosophers say there's no objective evil. That good and evil are subjective concepts. And I was arguing for, so that objective evil does exist. And we had a conversation and we had a conversation.

We had a debate. It's a lifelong conversation. Alright, let's see. Keith McCracken says, Hey Tim, I'm really bummed out that you didn't discuss my comment further, but a lot of problems in the U.S. is undiagnosed mental health, poor diet, and the lack

of researching both ends of the topic. Knowledge is ultimate power you're the best ian well there you go i'm the best ian that's right the best i can be thank you dude oaken cable says feel free to disavow but instead of cash payments why not send lead payments geez no no no no no no no no that's not a good monetary policy. Don't like that. Dr. Remulak says, what in the actual crap is this? I'm tired of this BS. Finish the wall and bring back POTUS 45.

Please. He was not perfect, but he had our best interest in mind and heart. Now, the good news is, I guess, Joe Biden wants to build the wall. There's talk. Yeah, yeah, right. Indeed. Andrew Platt says, you either get banned at Tim Pool

or you stay on the platform long enough to see yourself become the Alex Jones. Well, maybe as one would put it, I would say those, you either get banned at Tim Pool or you stay on the platform long enough to become a leftist. There have been a bunch of YouTube personalities

who all of a sudden, just their opinions just changed around the time people were getting banned. How interesting is that? So what a coincidence. Krish Lieber says, big shout out to Ian. You're my favorite astral projection. Fellow Ohioan here, east side of Cleveland.

I have seen Crystal Elves on DMT and would love to hear you talk more about the subject. Start your own podcast. Much love. Oh, thank you so much. Have you met the Crystal Elves? I have not yet. I've not blasted through on dmt i just puffed it the first time i took it and uh i was in a room my my this guy was growing algae

and these green tanks behind him and i could see gravity sucking him down to the air have you ever smoked dmt no it's like uh dimethyltryptamine your body produces it it's in your in your in your body and it kind of is responsible for the dream state that we experience as humans this chemical amazing stuff interesting. Amazing stuff. The Civic Nationalist says, In Britain, we already tried the market approach. Open borders with legal routes. Our culture is eroded.

Limited immigration is better if you want your culture to survive, but your yanks you wouldn't understand. Quigs. Alright. Ender says, You said that talented people create investment which creates work followed up by saying Quigs. All right. Ender says, you said that talented people create investment,

which creates work, followed up by saying, work is not finite, but the talented people are finite. After all, how many talented people do you know in your life compared to untalented people? I think people can develop their talents. Yeah.

And in a society where jobs are most rapidly being destroyed, that's where varied talents are most developed. There's just no getting around it. Back before job destruction, you just had to be a farmer no matter what. Now, in my case, I would have been pretty pathetic and probably would have committed suicide early. So thank goodness for the robots that destroy the work of the past. All right, we got some spicy criticism.

You ready for what? Trump Bacana says, this guy is a neo-feudalist sitting in his ivory tower telling the serfs to eat cake while importing their replacements for half the cost. He doesn't live in reality.

Literal lulbertarian. Well, what can I say? It's always been the case that the past replaces the future. And thank goodness that parts of the world are doing the work that we used to do. Because the work we used to do is something that this person who's criticizing me probably couldn't handle. This person actually is watching TV from a computer and tapping out messages on a computer. Will you throw all that away? Because other than the tractor and fertilizer, the computer is easily the biggest displacer of humans in history. And so it's probably a good

idea for you to give up that technology if you really feel that way. All right. Let's see. Sugayana Ram says, legal immigration needs to be fixed as well. It's a way for company to import cheap labor. A lot of legal workers are stuck on visas and companies take advantage of their situation. Government doesn't want to fix. There was one instance where I saw this documentary. Companies would advertise to illegal immigrants, to people in other countries, to illegally immigrate, to work for them, have them work for a guaranteed wage, standard wage. But then before paying them, they would call ICE or INS and have them all deported and they would pay nothing. That absolutely meant nobody was getting paid, not the worker and not – but I suppose that's – people break the law, break the law.

That's super shady. I guess it wasn't illegal though. No, it should be. Profiting off of someone else for breaking the law is blackmail, I think. And it should be illegal. I think that qualifies as evil. But let's never forget that the most expensive labor in the world is cheap labor. Think about it.

Henry Ford, there's this urban myth that Henry Ford raised wages to $5 a day to get his employees to buy cars. Oh, please, you think that would sustain the company? He did it because his turnover annually was 370%. He kept losing workers because he wasn't paying them enough. Look in the United States. Where does the most investment go? Oh, yeah, San Francisco, Boston, New York, to where labor is most expensive. It's expensive to have cheap labor because they quit.

They don't take the job seriously. It's not easy. No one building a business is actively looking for cheap labor. There's just certain jobs that don't rate a lot of pay, but there's a big difference. All right. Let's see what we got here. David Palmer says undocumented immigrant slave wage labor is the backbone of the Californian economy. lot of pay but there's a big difference all right let's see what we got here david palmer says undocumented immigrant slave wage labor is the backbone of the californian economy

of course it is a sanctuary state not true no i would say that california's economy's backbone is not its farming economy not its farming economy i Not its farming economy? I thought the farming was a massive, massive portion. I mean, like a third at least, right? No. If it is, I'm very surprised. California's economy is one of the most advanced in the world. As we discussed, California used to be a manufacturing economy in the 1920s and 30s. It no longer is.

Thank goodness it is. It would be a poor country. It would be a poor state if it were. A third? Oh, wow if it were a third oh wow california provides a third of the country's vegetables wow yeah probably but i don't that doesn't make it a the third largest yeah so yeah it's just the thing it's the first thing that pops up i don't know uh let's see wow well i will have to look that up later i guess all right let's see we got nick tilly, Chat has many thumbs downs and dislikes.

They are an example of what's wrong with the world. They reject sound logic and truth. Love this podcast and guest. Keep up the good work. Yeah, I'll tell you what one of the biggest problems is that most people, they like the show, they'll give us a thumbs up. Not everybody we're going to have on this show

is going to have the same opinion, mind you. So we're going to have people we disagree with and have debates and arguments with with but crowder was pointing this out too stephen crowder was mentioning that so they'll do a segment about something someone is you know public figure is saying and then people will give crowder a thumbs down because people don't like the opinion from other people on crowder's show or the segments so it's like yeah you're hurting crowder or you're hurting us because you don't like the opinions of a particular individual.

Honestly, I think there's a lot of people who do that because they want to make sure the conversation can only go in one direction. Because if the weaker-minded people would say, oh, no, the audience is mad at us

because we had a guest who has a bad opinion, I'm going to be like, I'll book him again. You know? Yeah. Look, I'm not the smartest person in the world.

People disagree with me and I disagree with people. Dude, they executed Galileo because he kept saying that't, I don't, look, I'm not the smartest person in the world. People disagree with me and I disagree with people. Dude, they executed Galileo because he kept saying that the, what is it? The earth revolves around the sun. And so they killed him. Like that's how much they hated that idea. It's crazy. You can't do that with new ideas.

Tolerance. All right. The Quove says the super, that supercomputer is so cheap because it's made by slaves in China. Please find me a phone made fully in Western countries and compare the cost. It's funny that he says slaves make it in China because all I know is American businesses are all over China, and they say that it's the second largest market for Nike, for McDonald's. There are 4,100 Starbucks in China on the way to 7,000.

GM sells more cars in China than it does in North America. If it were slaves working there, how could they afford all these expensive American products? There's this myth about slave labor in China. Oh, please. That's just not serious. The people in the Foxconn labs were walking off the building to their suicide. They're certain there are always going to be unhappy people in bad work situations, but to pretend that it's slave labor in china presumes that american companies are just there why were i spoke they were slaves in the soviet union where were all the american companies in the so former soviet union i'm just curious

plus you need to define slave like slaves made nothing but these people are making wages they're just making well and they're making more and more The reality is people they wouldn't be... I think like 400 bucks a month. There are probably some there are low wage workers in the U.S. Let's agree that there are low wage workers in China, but as evidenced by the fact that so many U.S. businesses are so eager to be there and

businesses from around the world that are not there because the people are all exploited. Because what would the market be? But yes, there are low wage workers in China, just as there are in every other country. Maybe slaves made something. I don't know if that's a definitive statement. Slavery itself is a tragic system. But this is not traditional slavery.

All right, we got sideways. He says, should I buy stock in graphene tech early on? I would just like to point out, I bought some stock in a graphene company, and it went up. It improved. Perhaps we will start a graphene company, and then I would encourage you to invest in that to help us grow it. Well, that's a whole other. Yeah, I'm not a financial analyst, so I can't give you a definitive answer. No advice.

But graphene will be becoming more popular as the years go on. The great companies of the future, if we knew about them, we'd already own them, which means we don't own them. Go back in time. We don't know the great companies of the future. Everybody wants to go back in time and buy Bitcoin. Yeah. It's so easy to look in the rearview mirror. But Amazon is one of the most valuable companies in the world.

Its stock imploded more than 20% so many times over the last 20 years. I'll tell you what's funny is a rough ride if you're a shareholder. Ten years ago, I met a guy who was bragging about how much money he made off his Apple stock. If I had just listened to him and said, I'll buy some Apple stock, I'd make a ton of money. But I was like, I don't know, I missed that train. No, no, no.

Well, think about Tesla. When did it go public? Think how many years you owned a stock that went nowhere. And then all of a sudden markets discovered the potential. It's a tough business. But that's, again, I think that speaks why it's hard for the state to control this. Most investors don't presume to know. Wall Street doesn't presume to know what the companies of the future are.

It's very hard to pretend that the state could know. All right. Cassius Cam says, Millennials don't have jobs because they're soft. I work at a lumber mill. $20 an hour entry level. We can't find young people to hire. They're soft.

Wow. I agree. Yeah. I don't like these. I tell you, man, I made the mistake early on in my career of seeking out college graduates, thinking like, you know, find somebody who's got a degree.

My friend said the same thing, and it was a mistake. These kids, they graduate college, have never had a real job, are soft and incapable. They've spent their whole lives being told what to do. You need to find somebody who can roll up their sleeves and solve a problem. Not everybody's not absolute, but that's what I learned. Yeah. You remember that movie Slacker? About Austin, Texas in the early 90s?

See, when I got out of college, they said that my Generation X was going to be a failure, that we were going to live in our parents' basements, that we would never earn any money. So they made movies about us, Slacker, Singles, Reality Bites. There are books about it. Every young generation in America's history has been viewed as soft. There was a famous businessman who said that Americans' youth were so lazy that don't even bother communism on them. They'd be too lazy to produce for others. Who wrote this?

Albert Hubbard. He wrote it in 1899. He said the grandparents of the greatest generation were too lazy and entitled and spoiled. We're always spoiled in the United States. Why? Because we've been defined by constant progress. The way the young people live is so much better than their parents lived. Guaranteed, these young people who are soft today, give them 20 to 30 years, they'll be saying these kids coming out of college are so soft i can't be bothered with them you guys know uh the far side comics gary larson yeah there's one i love it it is a couple of parents sitting watching their son play nintendo and they're

imagining job description wanted super mario expert defeat bowser ten dollars an hour wanted super mario pro and it was joking about how these kids playing video games were not going to get Super Mario Expert, Defeat Bowser, $10 an hour, Wanted, Super Mario Pro. And it was joking about how these kids playing video games were not going to get jobs in the future. And now esports is a massive industry. One of the biggest tournament prize pool for any sport was in video games. You got people who are some of the richest people on the planet playing video games on the internet. And they were made fun of. What people need to realize is that value exchange can be literally anything.

So right now, look at the stupidest thing in the world some kids are doing. There's going to be a community that values whatever that is. Maybe there's kids and they walk around playing patty cake all day. And you're like, oh, these kids and their patty cake trend. And then maybe in the future, there's going to be a group of people large enough to where they value patty cake tournaments and these people can make money from it. I'm not saying that it will be playing patty cake, but who knows? But you're absolutely right.

The definition of an entrepreneur is someone who believes something deeply that most everyone rejects. And so this is not me taught. I wrote a book about this called The End of Work, that the future of work in the US is going to be so amazing. And video games was one of them. If you had told someone when I was growing up, think about when you got into video games in the early 1980s.

Yeah, I'm going to do this for a job in the future. They would have thought you had a substance abuse problem. If you had said, I'm going to be a video game coach, which there now are, and they make a lot of money, they would have committed you. There's a professor entrepreneur. I know his son 10 years ago said, coach, which there now are, and they make a lot of money, they would have committed you. There's a professor entrepreneur. I know his son 10 years ago said, hey, dad, why don't I start taping myself playing video games? People would love to see. He said, have you lost your mind? Well, so of course, there's huge money in that now. The definition of work in a free society

changes all the time and in ways that is fascinating. So is it any wonder that kids are soft? What they get to do, what their future of work is going to be so different from the past. A work is a scientific term that just defines energy production measured in joules. And so what is work? I mean, we're working right now. We're producing work. Can you believe how lucky we are for what we get to do? Because I guarantee your ancestors weren't getting to do something so fun that paid the bills and had lights around them and getting to project these ideas to so many people. It is amazing.

Work is an historical concept. And thank goodness in free, rich countries, it's constantly changing. That is progress where the work of the past is being destroyed. It's not a negative, and it's not ivory tower. Now, I'll shout out to our lumber mill friend and just say, there are some people who are faced with a choice, $20 an hour to start in a lumber mill, or $65,000 a year to go work for a rage bait blog in New York

and write about Brad Pitt's junk. Which one's the easier job? Which one do you think they're going to choose to do? I'm not a fan of that. I think people need to learn how to do trades and go work in a lumber mill. And I don't value people writing about Brad Pitt's junk. But the attention economy took over. And keep in mind at the lumber mill, the machines are doing a lot of the work.

So that word work is very amorphous. We need to make exosuits. You're right, Ian. Yeah, we do. This dude working in a lumber mill shouldn't have to, they shouldn't hire somebody.

They should build massive mechs that can just pick up a giant tree and just go and just like, it wouldn't really be effective. I'm convincing Tim to do a show

where we go try on exosuits. What? Travel around the world and try on like crazy technologies. All right, Philip. If you have access, let me know. Philip Sommet says,

Hey guys, it's my birthday tomorrow. I know you guys like to talk about God a lot. Have you considered having Dr. Tim Mackey from the Bible Project on? He's an interesting Bible scholar and also happens to be a skateboarder. Oh, that sounds pretty cool. Very cool.

Might be fun. I would like to, if we do something like that though, I'd like to get some kind of, I'd like to have not just a Bible expert, but also maybe like a DMT expert as well. Where we can have this intersection between faith, religion, but also psychedelics experience and maybe find some like interesting points that could be made in common. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Happy birthday, by the way, tomorrow. Absolutely. We got too many super chats man thank you sunny james says uh dude if i hear petro oil came from dinosaur blood one more time dude a raccoon died in my front yard and had a 20 foot oil ring could have ran an 18 wheeler off one raccoon literally the dumbest thing i've ever heard with my own two wow. Wow. Great super chat. Wow. I was listening to this podcast. It's one of the top podcasts. And they were like,

you know, fossil fuels can't last forever because there's no more dinosaurs. And the other guy's like, yeah, the dinosaurs are gone. It's like, oh, geez. There's no more fossils, man. First of all, it was not made of dinosaurs. It is just highly compressed organic matter. I believe it's mostly algae, right? I could be wrong. Oh, probably. Yeah, it was compressed algae and things like that is just highly compressed organic matter. I believe it's mostly algae, right? I could be wrong. Oh, probably.

Yeah, it was compressed algae and things like that. Just decaying organic matter. More importantly, we already synthesized petroleum. We made algae and then we superheated and compressed it and turned it into a hydrocarbon fuel. So, yes, it can be made if we want to do it. Honestly, your body is secreting oil right now. I wonder if we can utilize that someday. Maybe.

Let's see. Drew Burchett says, Hey, Tim, you got called out by Steve at PT News as an idiot for your tweet on the PRO Act. Your plan is working. The tweet I put out about the, it's the Protect the Right to Organize Act. Are you familiar with this? Vaguely. The argument is that from many people, including on the left, is that it would eliminate freelancing because it's similar to California's AB5, which says Uber and these companies are exploiting labor, and so it empowers unions. And so I tweeted, we must help the Democrats pass the PRO Act

because it will help unions and labor rights. It will also destroy rage bait, woke websites because they run off freelance labor. The point of the tweet essentially is it's true. It will destroy those companies like it did in California. But who is this guy what's pt news is he right or left wing because i can imagine they're both mad at me that's kind of the point i don't know i'm gonna fight for union labor and destroy leftist rage bait both sides get mad thank you i love it it took me only like a week to get called left wing by right wing media

and right wing by left wing media fantastic let's see skeleton king, I live close to Aliquippa. The downtown area is so bad right now, the local leaders need to step up. Bummer. Colin Burke says, Tim, I've got a new album, Louder Actions, and Two Years Clean.

I truly believe in my music. Any advice for promo in the digital climate? Clear.bandcamp.com, by the way. Love, One Man Music Operation, Colin Burke. Hey, congratulations, dude. Sounds good. Do you have advice for him promoting? I don't know because I'm trying to promote my song.

I don't even know what we're doing with it. That's asking a lot. Promoting? You can buy Facebook ads, like target them to people that like that kind of music. I feel like there's not much money. I just feel like it's got to be organic. Like making YouTube videos consistently every day. But that's a lot of work. We put out, I put out my song, Will of the People, on November 2nd, just before the election.

And it's got just about 900,000 views. All organic, no ads, nothing. It's just people listening, some people sharing. And we're thinking about something we can do to promote it. But I kind of feel like we should finish the album first, which who knows how long that'll take because i work too much as it is think how amazing that is though because if you did you ever read that keith richards uh biography uh so he said if you got studio time in the 60s you took it it was so difficult so expensive to get yet here's tim producing an album and he's reached 900,000 people.

Again, the ways in which and the cheap ways, thanks to technology, that you can get things out. That's expensive. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I mean, well, we made a video for it. We made a short film. So that was the bulk of the cost.

Animation and stuff. But you are right. If you have like a couple, some computer programs, a microphone, and internet access, you can basically produce. If you know what you're doing and you have logic, you know, or something, you can basically. My friend Dave Day is, shout out Dave, one of the OG YouTube million subscribers when he was 18. He's produced a lot of great music just from his room. All right. We got Patrick in Chicago. Says, I grew up in Flint.

Factories left because politics and unions. Talent left when jobs left. Nothing Flint made is unneeded or obsolete, just made by cheap foreign labor and shipped back. SVC industry jobs aren't good paying jobs. Service industry jobs. Austin Unruh says, Ian, the population of the world is aging,

and we are on course for a population crash in the next 30 to 40 years and there is not the population to replace it that's crazy would you like to oh think about that the the people being born today are going to be exponentially more productive than the people born in the past. The discovery of coal was thought to be the equivalent of someone suddenly having 20 personal assistants helping him or her doing work. So what does the internet do? What does the computer do? Once again, you guys are producing a TV show from here with exponentially less human labor. The productive capacity of humans today is so amazing relative to the past.

Is it any wonder that we're producing less kids when we used to produce kids because we needed extra hands on the farm let's also point out that what's the country that is has the lowest birth rate and highest suicide rate south korea oh is it struggling right now no it's booming this notion about a population crash it's basically global warming for about a population crash, it's basically global warming for the right. There are so many people on the right looking for some reason the world's going to end and this is one of them. Yeah, actually, after the plague in Europe, the economy flourished. You had this high level of technology and lots of people dead. So all of a

sudden, the economy was just taken off like crazy with all this work that had to be done and all this opportunity to do it. It's kind of nightmarish. That's what caused it. Well, and in fairness, think about, let's just look at the Holocaust in Europe. There's this view today in the economics profession

that World War II ended the Great Depression. I can't think of something more horrifyingly obtuse. Implicit there is that you can grow your economy by killing your best customers and also sending your best people, your best and brightest, out to war where they can be destroyed, that you can grow your economy by destroying wealth. Imagine where Europe would be today if people like Hitler hadn't destroyed so much human capital. Imagine where

Russia would be today if they hadn't gotten into such needless wars and so humans are always the drivers of of progress but to pretend that that birth rates are the drivers of progress presumes that botswana has a much bigger economy than south korea and so no all right stupidly awesome gaming says second time's the charm hope this makes it please shout out my friend cameron zwick for making me a dedicated listener for four years you inspired me to do more streaming and youtube thank you so much much love appreciate it very cool very nice joshua albritton says great golem impression yesterday loved hearing you and ian talk tolkien if interested i translated the entirety of the

hobbit into elvish won't let me post the link so shoot me a message if you want a free copy fyi tim is frodo and i am sam he has the check he's carrying the ring right now you guys it's the darkness of the political the world he's taking on his shoulders we need to help him destroy the ring definitely not frodo not by choice no i just see you carrying the burden bro i'm not i'm not sitting in that round round table going like, I will carry it. No, I'm sitting there going like, don't look at me. You're the only one that can. I'm not doing it. I don't know why Gandalf gave Frodo the ring.

Why was he chosen? No one knows. Because hobbits are less corruptible. They were a simple folk who just wanted to drink and be merry. But why Frodo of all the hobbits? The hobbits weren't a war-like people, right? Well, because Bilbo was the one who found it. And so Frodo was the one who had it, and it

just fell upon him. But I mean, you know, Samwise helped. Come on. Dude, Sam. Come on. Yeah, what are you doing? Sam's the man. This is my boy. They destroyed it together. That's right. Yeah. Love Sam. And Frodo almost didn't do it. Because of Gollum? No, no, no. Because he was corrupted, and then Gollum No one can carry that burden alone. Yeah, Gollum? No, no, no. Because he was corrupted and then Gollum... No one can carry

that burden alone. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, man. What great storytelling. I need to watch it again. We just used The One Ring from The Lord of the Rings

as an analogy for political power. I think it's a good... I think that was the point, actually, so... I fell asleep in the first one. I just...

Oh, shun. Sacrilege. Shun the non-believer. Out of the studio. Blasphemer. It's worth dos of the studio books are great all right garland says john the we do it too is fallacious give me an example right now not 100 years ago china enslaves three million uyghurs forcibly aborts sterilizes steals children murders and sells their organs china China is World War II Germans. Again, I'm not going to defend certain things that go on in China, and I love the United States,

but have you checked out the Indian Health Service right now? Guess where they send the doctors who can't work anywhere else and who've been de-licensed for fraud? They usually send them to Indian hospitals, just as one example. Should we indict the United States for the mistakes made when it was initially a free country? I think not. It doesn't defend what happened for one second. Slavery was a tragedy. The treatment of the Indians was a tragedy. I do not like what government does, and so let's never forget, government is doing this. I am for limited government governments that

are have too much power constantly make mistakes do we want to talk about the millions of americans presently incarcerated because they have a different way of getting high than the politicians would like or they meet the needs of those who have a different way of getting high the list goes on and on i don't trust government government. You shouldn't either. If I was going to run for office, there would only be one thing I would campaign on if I was going to run for president. One thing, and I'm old enough to run for president now, apparently.

And it would be that the only thing I'll do for you, okay, is I'm going to go in and I am going to get a gigantic stack of all of the incarcerated federal inmates on nonviolent drug charges. We're going to go through them and we're going to remove

people who pleaded down from violent charges because someone committed a violent crime. I'm sorry, you go to prison. But for everybody who got arrested

because they were doing a little bit of drugs here and there, I'm just going to start rubber stamping pardons. That's it. Rubber stamping those pardons. I'll be in office for one day.

I will resign. I'll get a vice president who has a plan or something and I'll just be like, look, you vote for me. I'm going to go in and I'm going to commute the sentences of all of these people, pardon every single one of them. Then I'm going to pass a bunch of executive orders saying, stop enforcing these particular laws and then

they'll sue me and do whatever they want and I'll be like, whatever. I don't care. That's my purpose. I'm leaving. I don't want to do anything else. I don't want to be in charge of anybody. I don't want to deal with war. All I want want to be in charge of anybody. I don't want to deal with war. All I want to do is finally get someone to go in and be like, this dude was rocking the ganja by himself, and now he's in prison. None of that. Amen.

I want to get granular on all these executive orders you want to sign. You want to what? Tell me about these executive orders you want to sign. Maybe not right now. Oh, like stop having the feds go after people who are minding their own business and enjoying partaking in some contraband substance. Prohibition doesn't work. I'm not a fan of it.

If somebody wants to go into, like, their back room with dark lights and, you know, blast off to meet the elves, why is it anybody's business? Why do you go to prison for that? That's dumb. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, exactly. People want to eat mushrooms? Well, some places have legalized or decriminalized mushrooms. i think it's because they're afraid free thinkers will overthrow the government so they're trying to subvert the free thinking i think there's a dude right now and he's

got some love beads in front of his door he's got black lights and posters with glowing mushrooms and all he wants to do is sit there and his he got off work he worked you know he's got he's got tough stressful job maybe you know Maybe he works in the sewer. Maybe he's wearing waders in these suits and he's going down and wading through sewers to pull rat kings out of pipes to clear the clogs. And all he wants to do when he gets home

is take a little DMT and blast off to meet the elves. A little neurogenesis. Now you go to prison for that. Yep. He's not hurting anybody. No. Well, I suppose if you want him to be of sound mind, there's certain limitations.

Don't be high while you're in the sewer because you can get hurt or whatever. But look, there are certain substances that I think if somebody chooses to do it, it's weird to me that the government puts people in prison for nonviolent offenses with no victim. The victim is the person who chose to do it. That's so dumb. Selling it to kids? Okay, that I get. Don't do that kind of stuff. All right.

Let's see. John Baloo says, Okay, that I get. Don't do that kind of stuff. All right, let's see. John Baloo says, Tim, move to Texas. Very business friendly. And there's a ton of us, TV and film workers here, ready to go. I will say this about Texas.

Texas is awesome. It's probably my favorite state, if I was going to have to pick a state. Because it's Texas. You know what I mean? I mean, you got guns. I love Texas. Yeah, you go to the store,

you buy a bottle of whiskey. By law, they have to give you you know a smith and wesson 500 that's a family guy joke um the problem is a lot of people are going to texas right now and it feels just like they're following the crowd you know so i'm looking for something new i don't want to i don't want to do what everyone else does i want to find something new and build something new and uh yeah we're out in the middle of nowhere so we're not in well well you mentioned where we I don't want to do what everyone else does. I want to find something new and build something new. And yeah, we're out in the middle of nowhere. So we're not in – well, you mentioned where we were.

For those – most people probably know by now. Did I cross the line in saying that? No, because there was an article that came out that like they were trying to smear me. I don't want to talk too much about it. But they went above and beyond to make sure everybody knew exactly where we were. And it's like a mainstream news outlet trying to just get us hurt, I suppose. But anybody who wanted to just Google it knows we're in Maryland. But it is what it is. All right.

Let's grab some more super chats here. We'll do a little bit more. We're going a little bit over, but we had a ton of super chats. Oh, yeah. Thank you, guys. This is really good. Archangel says, Ian said graphene, everyone drink. Federal Reserve, graphene,

blockchain. And Lord of the Rings. I have more things to say. DMT. Yeah, that too. We got that too. We need to set up a D&D show. A D&D podcast, I guess. I'm so ready. I have the beginning

of the campaign ready to go. I want you guys to make your own characters. You know about Dungeons & Dragons? Oh, yeah. You ever play it? No, never. I've only ever done that one time at the theater with you guys. But I think some people probably take it really seriously. I'd imagine where they're

actually taking the numbers down. For us, it was kind of like we're sitting around eating pizza and drinking and cracking jokes about stupid... Guess what character you guys think Tim made for his D&D campaign, and I'll tell you at the end of the show. So type it in chat. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's your chance to super chat what you think my D&D character is.

And I'm willing to bet people are going to get it. I'm willing to bet people are going to get it. I think people are going to get it. We'll know. I'll tell you in a minute. All right. Yeah, so we'll read some more super chats, and then we'll see what you guys say. Artemis Fowl says, what's this guy's social credit score?

Seven. Seven. Out of what, though? I don't know. Seven could be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ten could be good. Or 1,000.

That's bad. 1,500. I don't know. 2,500. 800, like actual credit. All right. Nosferatu says, Chats stuck on CCP shill.

Sad. Yeah, there's a decent amount of people who aren't fans. Disagree with China. I think most people are willing to recognize that everybody agrees with them, though. It's always hard because, you know,

I'm not going to shy away from the criticism super chats at the same time. But I don't want to make it seem like everyone's angry when some people are angry. You know what I mean? That's a big topic to talk about a corrupt government and then the economics underneath. This is a good super chat. Oh, my God, this is awesome. LOL says, fight me five-year bet, John.

So five years, I guess, if you're wrong you gotta you gotta you know okay okay i better be right then all right tyler pruitt says china banned animal crossing because people were protesting and organizing there come on man come on man come on man come on china's been an animal crossing yeah people i guess were putting free hong Kong in Animal Crossing. So they got rid of the game. Jeez. Too late. Trent Lomelino says, John is a CCP operative. Move me wrong.

If only I was an operative, that would presume they were paying me something. Pay pretty well. me something no you know look uh it's interesting how there are pro pro like america first libertarians and then more open trade open how it's the right word for that economic trade international trade libertarians where they're like i don't think i've met a a big libertarian that's outright said open the borders entirely no restrictions i think it's mostly similar what you're saying it, have them come in through a normal process, but make it a lot easier. Is that common? Yeah. I mean, probably in my perfect world, yeah.

Look, borders are open in the United States right now. It's not like everyone's flowing out of West Virginia into Virginia. I mean, think about it. Well, actually, West Virginia offered to actually annex several parts of Virginia because of their laws. People are flooding out of Michigan like crazy. Yeah, they are, but Michigan's still got a population. You know, Texas has always bragged that they take people from California at a high rate every day. You know, Texas used to be Mexico.

So, wait, wait, wait. So we like them if they're in Texas, but we don't like if they come from Mexico. In my perfect idealistic world, market forces apply to everything. And human capital, they want to come to the United States. Obviously, they're not going to Haiti. Haiti doesn't have an immigration problem, does it? And so I would like to legalize it. But I think it's worth compromising on this one.

If it's just say, OK, just announce yourself. Works legal. Citizenship's probably more distant object. Most of them don't want it in the first place. They just want to work here. It's a market signal. If we crash the economy, they won't be coming here. All right.

Madison McAfee says, Tim, you should invite a rational and logical female millennial obtaining a BS in maths with concentration in stats who goes against your stigmas. I mean me. Invite me. Also, Ian, 2 plus 2 equals 4. Base number systems has nothing to do with the argument. You got to smack that one.

Oh, snap. Snap. Oh, man. Pat that person on. Madison, send an email to What's Been the UFO. Yeah. Yeah, we'll figure something out. Yeah, man. Had that person on. Madison, send an email to What's Been the UFO. Yeah. Yeah, we'll figure something out. Yeah, yeah.

Everyone wants to be on the show, though, so I'm not trying to, you know. I was kind of being facetious because I don't know who you are, but I liked your comment. Do you like to bet them a little bit? Rocky Truman says, are you wearing off? Last night you were swatting bugs, not so much tonight. Okay. All right. So we're in the studio.

I heard about this. There's no food in the studio. There's none. The closest thing we have to it is there's a bowl of fruit snacks that no one really ever takes. All sealed. Was someone barbecuing downstairs though? I thought I smelled something.

Yeah, probably. Yeah, so food's downstairs. Way far away. Okay. So Ian has his coffee, but we come up, and the studio table is covered in ants, randomly just milling about. They weren't in a line. They weren't taking anything.

They're chilling. And I'm like, what is this? I'd be so mad. That's weird. Discount? Yeah, but it's whatever. Maybe someone spilled sticky liquid someday, and then... No, no, no.

They weren't eating anything. So I guess what happens is it got warm, and they started looking for food and stuff. Yeah, it was just yesterday. They were over here, too. It is possible someone put something in the trash can, like an empty bottle of sweet sugar. They were on the table not doing anything. They were just randomly running around. There's no line of them?

No, no line. They were probably just looking for stuff, I guess. And yes, Tim was swatting ants all night. Yeah, I was going like, kicking them up and flicking them. Six million tissues. I picked the night right night. I don't think there's any.

I haven't seen any. I have not been attacked by even one. Good, good. Very friendly. It's a great first impression for Jim. All right. The Red Hydra says, have you considered Jacksonville, Florida

for a new home base? We got plenty of property, great beaches, an international airport, Kona skate park, no state tax, and so much more. Plus it's Florida. We got plenty of property, great beaches, an international airport, Kona Skate Park, no state tax, and so much more. Plus, it's Florida.

We're back in business. It is beautiful, Jacksonville. I love it there. But it's so hot. Jacksonville is what? That's closer to the Panhandle, right? It's up north? It's like you're in Georgia,

but you're in Florida. So you get the right wingness if you prefer that of Georgia, but you get Florida taxes. It's just too hot. Too muggy. Florida. Luke loves Florida. It's hot as H here in the summertime. We're near Washington, D.C. is just swamp. Absolutely. Yeah, swamp. Wasn't it literally a swamp? Yes, I

think so. I think that's the point, right? Arbiter Media says, another Ian special move could be a back... Could be... Or wait. Could be a backhand releasing the code leaving opponents dazed

and dumbfounded by so much knowledge but power only him and Tim can harness. I'll be like, and then you'll see like the green letters behind me,

like the matrix letters. And then it's like... Ian's free the code ability is where he fires he connects the graphene wires from his fingertips to the person and it disables their technology and like you'll like whatever their special moves are you'll see code burst from their tech and their tech shuts off all right and then it stuns their specials for like five or ten seconds it's gonna be a cybernetic fighting game yeah well some people have magic powers. You know, Jordan Peterson,

his super move will be that he looks down and energy starts like coming off of his body and then he punches the ground

and then all of a sudden a gigantic lobster erupts. Yeah, that comic. And then he rides it and then it slams into you. Lobster summon. Yeah, that's great.

And Joe Rogan would literally just be normal MMA moves. Yep. Yeah. Like all normal MMA stuff. He Joe Rogan would literally just be normal MMA moves. Yep. Yeah. Like all normal MMA stuff. He'd be like the wrestler, like Zangief. Is it Zangief?

Zangief, I think. Zangief. I tried to go in the middle. All right, all right, all right. We've gone along. I want to see if people, what their guesses were to what they thought I would be. And so let's see what we got here. What kind of D&Dnd character you think tim yeah so let's see some super chats of what people thought what kind of

weapon or weapons was he using what was his class all right so race this is wrong oh jack bencivanga says i don't know much about dnd but i'm assuming tim was a bard of some sort. Incorrect. Close. Well, I'll say why I said that was close afterwards. That's not close. Ian should watch Knights of... I don't know what that is. Let's see. Another person said Tim is a bard for sure. Really?

Absolutely incorrect. Interesting. You would like that class, though. Bard? No, I wouldn't. Maybe you're right. Absolutely not. We went over this.

Well, they're similar. Okay. Do you want me to tell? No, no, no, no. Hold on. I've got to read a couple more. But not even class. I'll tell over this. Well, they're similar. Okay. Do you want me to tell? No, no, no, no. Hold on. I've got to read a couple more. But not even class. I'll tell you this.

Red Corvin was close because he's given the race as well. Halfling. Half elf, half human mage. Very, very close. Very close. Yes. All right. Let's see.

Small insects live in banana peels. Look it up. Thank you, Zomigod. This is awesome, LOL. That was a very, very important super chat. No bananas up here, guys. None. All right, let's see. Small insects live in banana peels. Look it up. Thank you, Zomigod. This is awesome, LOL. That was a very, very important super chat. No bananas up here, guys. None. All right, I guess there's not many people who have any other guesses.

All right, well, the answer is... Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. We've got to make sure. We've got to make sure. I want to be fair to the people who super chatted with their guess. Yeah. I don't see it.

No, I think that's it. I think most people are just complaining about China. Tim was a quarter elf rogue. Quarter elf rogue. He was a half elf for the rules, but are you quarter Korean? Can I be a quarter elf? Yeah, you get the same bonuses as half elf. But you're basically a half elf.

But he was a charismatic diplomat, kind of like the bard. The bard relies heavily on charisma and has some rogue abilities, like pickpocketing. I was a rogue with high charisma. Yeah. And it was funny. I convinced a barmaid to give everyone goat's milk, which turned out to be spoiled. And then I spoiled goat's milk as just chev, and everyone enjoyed it and celebrated having goat's cheese. I remember that night.

Basically, we're not the kind of people that play D&D all serious. Like, I am a wizard, and I will blast goat's cheese. I remember that night. Basically, you know, we're not the kind of people that play D&D like all serious. Like, I am a wizard and I will blast you with magic. It's more like, all right, so my guy, you know, he punches a dude in the balls and then steals his beer. And then we're all drinking. Three guys stand up around him, roll initiative. That's what you say when conflict emerges. Yeah, it was just fun, silly jokes. That's why it would be a great, like, podcast show because it's basically just people hanging out, cracking jokes.

And it's just comedy. It's just fun silliness. And I grab the chicken from outside and I throw it at the guy and the chicken scratches his face and other silly nonsense. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for hanging out with us on Friday night. I know most of you could be out at the bar and get your game on, but instead you come here to listen to us talk about very important things. So thanks so much. Appreciate that. Leave us a good like.

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What a pleasure it was to be here. Yes, this is my new book. Everyone should buy several copies or something like that. But thank you so much for engaging me. It was a great conversation. I learned so much. Yeah, I thought it was fantastic. I was flattered to be here. Thanks for coming. The book was fun. Oh, yeah, your Twitter? What is me. Great conversation. I learned so much. Yeah, I thought it was fantastic. Thanks for coming.

Your Twitter? What is your Twitter? Oh, at John Tamney. So very original. Again, the name John Tamney. When Politicians Panicked. When Politicians Panicked is the book. It's on all the major platforms to be considered. This was really enjoyable, man. Thanks for coming.

Thank you. I kind of feel like we barely scratched the surface on some issues about economy, but it was really enjoyable, man. Thanks for coming. Thank you. I kind of feel like we barely kind of scratched the surface on some issues about economy, but it was really, really great to hear a lot about from what your perspective on this stuff is. Well, thank you very much. I learned so much. Well, enjoy. Thanks for coming.

You guys can follow me at IanCrossland.net and get my socials from there. We are building the Fediverse out, which is a decentralized internet service where we're going to allow people to... Tim wants to add some. Well, it exists already. We're building it out. We want to kind of add to this protocol in a very positive way to expand free speech and free thought. Using like the matrix.

And we're attempting to build a subscription model service that basically we cut out the middleman. Like there's not going to be a Patreon or anything like that. This technology will function as that service for you, so you'll be able to subscribe to different websites around the internet and handle payments and processes that way. So if you want to get involved with that, if you're a developer and you'd like to help, please

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Boom, it expands. It runs on the server. And now you've got your own version of like TimCast.com or something where you can upload content for members only. You can take membership subscriptions. So then all of these independent commentators, creators, influencers don't need to give 10% some company for no reason. There'll be an open source version. The open source team will build upon it because they want to build upon it. I mean, we use open source software across the board for a lot of what we do. And a lot of people need to realize this too. A lot of servers run on Linux because it's free, it's cheap, it's effective. Open source is amazing. And I really want to get rid of these

middlemen who can ban you, who can destroy your careers and destroy your lives. The best part is though, what we want to do with the Fediverse, this is a decentralized network for social media. The idea would be on your website, there's a networking discover section, which shows you all these other websites that use the same service. So it creates a decentralized network of people just using a similar code.

Effectively, a totally decentralized social media subscription influencer platform. No one can ban you from, except your own business partners. So that's the plan, man. But Ian's basically running it. So get involved. Hit you up on Twitter. So that's the plan, man. But Ian's basically running it, so... Get involved. Hit you up on Twitter.

Hit me up on Twitter, man. Right on. Let's do this. We also got Sour Patch Lids. I am technically here pushing buttons in the corner. I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and mine's in Gab Instagram. I am Sour Patch Lids on a few platforms, so just follow me wherever. Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

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