Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #264 - Veritas Expose Shows CNN Staffer ADMITTING They Are Activist Propaganda w/Tom Rogan

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join journalist, commentator and UFO investigator Tom Rogan to discuss the breaking news from Project Veritas regarding CNN, the officer involved in the shooting in Minneapolis, Rashida Tlaib's opinion of policing as a whole, the BLM leader who bought many houses, and the tic-tac shaped UFOs spotted hovering around American military vessels. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Man, there's so much going on today. I mean, we're probably going to see massive riots in many cities tonight. We'll see how that plays out. It's already 8 p.m. There's already been some protests I've seen in Minnesota. It might chill out throughout the rest of the week and then pick up again this weekend, which is really bad because the Chauvin deliberations should be taking place early next week. We think so far.

We'll see how it plays out. But we do got, man, one of the biggest stories. And it's always really hard to properly provide commentary on a story from Project Veritas for one simple reason, which I will tell you in a second. Project Veritas has released undercover footage of a CNN technical director saying that they were just trying to get Donald Trump out of office, that they effectively produce propaganda. They're going to be producing fear content to push a climate change narrative. And you know why it's really hard to provide commentary on this? Because I'm just like, when I see this story, I'm like, oh yeah, I know. Don't you? Don't we all know CNN is doing this? I get it. Veritas has gotten us the receipts. And this is a massive story, which broke over like 2.2 million views in only a couple of

hours. It's been trending all day because now we have it. Now we can see it coming out of their mouths. James O'Keefe calls one of these guys at CNN. They just hang up the phone on him. Of course, this is what they do. Unfortunately, as much as this is, this is huge project Veritas, will they be able to break that news to regular people who are still hooked in to the CNN narrative? That's the challenge. So that's what we need to talk about. We talk about what this guy said, why he said it. And I'll tell you what's interesting. When I saw this story hit local ABC affiliate, a local ABC affiliate, I'm like, okay, this story is big. This expose is big. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about what's going on

with this woman in the Daunte Wright shooting in minnesota she's expected to be charged criminally tomorrow we may very well see some more protests in the meantime joining us is commentary writer tom rogan good to be with you thank you tim just briefly introduce yourself sure yeah so uh i'm a commentary writer for the washington examiner predominantly focused on national security and foreign policy uh dual citizen so i'm not just a british invader talking about american politics um yeah and that's that's the short of it and and ufo expert i'm kidding yeah yeah i i well i do take an interest yeah in uh ufos or uaps um you know because something really is going on there and and you know i think i have pretty good sourcing on it and a lot of journalists don't want to touch it.

And there's another story that's been circulating for the past couple of weeks. There are like these tic-tac unidentified vehicles flying above naval vessels. Apparently now there's footage of it. So we'll get into all that. We'll talk about that later on. Of course, we've got Ian. Ian Crossland coming at you with a periodic table in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other. Ready to talk about metamaterials with Tom. Right.

And UFO machines. But also let's talk aboutaterials with Tom. Right. And UFO machines. But also let's talk about things happening on Earth. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I sent Tom this link. I was talking to him about the Project Veritas thing. And he's like, yeah, we know about CNN. And I was like, yeah, but it's like big because they said it themselves. Anyway, I'm in the corner pushing buttons as always.

Sour patchlets. That's the big challenge. It's like breaking news, everyone. CNN is producing lies and propaganda. And they're like, that's not breaking news. But Veritas got the guy on camera this time. 2.2 million views. Doesn't lie.

That's huge. That's huge. All right, we'll talk about this. Before we get started, my friends, go over to TimCast.com and become a member to get access to exclusive members-only segments. We recently updated the website. We're still building it out. We're still trying to improve upon it and get things smoothed out. But if you go to TimCast.com, become a member,

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will probably only be up until the remainder of this week because I think it'll have been up then for about two weeks. And then we're probably going to take this one down because we have a ton of the gorilla shirts and maybe even the diamond hands gorilla will probably come down and we'll just keep the original gorilla shirt. So get them while you can because we're gonna have more shirts coming up. And don't forget, smash that subscribe button, smash that like button. Let's read this first story from ABC 13 WHAM. Project Veritas says it caught CNN staffer admitting network pushed anti-Trump propaganda. This is an ABC affiliate reporting this, which if local news outlets are picking up Project

Veritas, the story is pretty big. They say Veritas unveiled a video Tuesday that says that the group says is of a CNN staffer describing how the network worked to show then presidential candidate Joe Biden in a favorable light during the 2020 campaign. The undercover video captured a man, the self-proclaimed conservative watchdog group identified as CNN technical director Charlie Chester. I'm not sure Veritas has ever self proclaimed to be conservative watchdogs, but I digress, saying he decided to work with the network because it focused on removing former President Donald Trump. Chester also credited CNN as a critical tool in electing Biden. Quote, look what we did. We got we CNN got Trump out. I am 100 percent going to say it.

And I 100 percent believe that if it wasn't for CNN, I don't know that Trump would have got voted out. I came to CNN because I wanted to be a part of that. The man said in one portion of the video, Chester was speaking to someone off camera at undisclosed locations. He was targeted through the dating app Tinder, according to media. That is impressive work from Project Veritas. How do they do that? Tinder's random.

It shows you a person. So they have, James O'Kkeefe has got young women like swiping right on these dudes like just scouring tinder looking for someone says i work at cnn boom well that's a foreign intelligence way you know you if you just do mass you know spread and then you can target it down as i'm buying the person i'm impressed if they if they really did use tinder to get access to these these guys That means Veritas does more substantive Investigative work than I realized Or it could have been a girl that just met some dude

And was like oh you work for CNN Oh I gotta get in touch with Project Veritas about this I gotta say you know if they're reporting that I really believe it because you have to wonder How it is they consistently get access To some of these people They're not just like walking into places and being like Hi tell me all your secrets.

Going on a date with some dude and having him spill the beans. Now, I will say you got to be careful about one thing. Could this guy be hamming it up because he's trying to get laid? Well, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Yes, of course. Is she like, I hate Trump? He goes, I hate Trump too.

In fact. Yeah. And then she's like, yeah, yeah. Like, wouldn't it be cool? Like CNN helped get him out. He's like, oh, wouldn't it be cool like cnn helped helped get him out oh yeah cnn definitely did that i did that that's why i'm here right back to my place yeah that's almost why we need the kind of body camera right with a police officer before they pull up yeah right that you want you want the totality of the circumstances but you know

what though i will i will say um there there was one undercover video that Project Veritas got with a guy I'm not going to name that I knew. And they had a young woman talking to this guy, and the guy was saying all this stuff about what he could do at the New York Times or whatever. And I'm like, dude, he is hamming it up. He is trying to impress this lady. He's talking smack. And I'll say it, right? I'm not going to shill for Veritas in every circumstance. I'll criticize him if I see some reason to do it. But this is different. This is someone who's working for CNN, a technical director, who has no problem telling members of the public, be it, is he lying to this young woman about what CNN does? He's confident enough, for whatever reason, to say CNN produces fear, we propagandize, and our goal was political.

Now you said it. That's it. And I do think one of the challenges here, though, for CNN, and of course it applies to other outlets, is that on one side you do have, and we saw it in the campaign, obviously very anti-Trump coverage, very pro-Biden. And the other side, certainly some of their foreign policy correspondents uh kylie atkins you know jim shudo who i think has sort of moved more in the opinion side you know do really good reporting so it's a it's a challenge for them in a sense right that they that this you know because this is not great for their you know credibility well the the outlets and it's sort of unfair on there in a sense i don't think they care i think you know you turn on reliable sources today and what's oliver darcy and brian

says are talking about who's the right-wing boogeyman today i jokingly you know i'll tweet at brian seltzer that he's the host of the fox news review show right because you turn on sunday morning with cnn and it's brian brian stout are telling you what fox news is talking about and i'm like what is this how is this in any way news about the media environment tucker carlson said something offensive and i'm like okay what's going on with the other layoffs is the business growing what are journalists doing no it's just basically cnn's like hey we can make money because people don't like fox news and there you go in a sense though you know brian stelter's media show it's not so much like how how he curts on Fox.

It's sort of, I think, more become kind of Laura Ingraham or Sean Hannity, that it's a more overtly opinion show that's presenting itself as a media show. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'll say that with respect, he's allowed to do that. Right. If he wants to be an opinion show, if he wants to be the Sunday morning version of Hannity for the left or whatever. Right. If he wants to be an opinion show, if he wants to be the Sunday morning version of Hannity for the left or whatever. The only problem is when Sean Hannity rags on the liberal media, there's many different liberal medias to rag on. The Fox News is almost one of a kind.

I mean for cable news, it basically is. When reliable sources, CNN, just talks about Fox News all day every day, I'm like, I don't see the urgency here, man. You know what I mean? It's one channel. I know they got a big viewership, but when you combine CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, HLN, CNN, et cetera, I mean, we're looking at 30, 40, 50 million views or whatever. And then Fox News, they're huge, you know, 3 million views. They're rivaling, you know, Rachel Maddow and they're, they're bouncing back and forth between CNN and the rate of beating CNN in the ratings. But you combine all of these media outlets and their bias, Fox News doesn't really reach that level. So it's like CNN doing that show is really weird in my opinion.

But more to the point, CNN's coverage has been just absolutely awful along with many of these other outlets. Now we're hearing this guy say all this stuff. I'm just kind of like, you know, I have something I call the CNN challenge. I did call the CNN challenge. You can't really do it anymore because Trump's not president. But I'm somebody who watches the news and I would turn out. I used to watch CNN. I used to leave CNN running in the background. So I'd have some like breaking news, you know, here's what's happening. And then just one day I'm like, they talking about trump again so i switched to fox news and they're like protests erupt in iran you know tehran you know protesters in tehran are doing and i'm like wow this is big and then i switched back to cnn like but trump what you need to understand about trump

and i'm like okay so i did it several times one point fox news is like hong kong protests erupt china's moving in turn to cnn now donald trump is is I even turn to CNN to Fox News once and like a big winter storm is headed our way. Everyone you need to buckle down, turn to CNN. Donald Trump. And so I just called it the Trump challenge because that's basically what they're, you know, their bread and butter. Now, take all of that information. And someone made a really interesting point with this CNN technical director stating in numerous videos, we were activists. We were trying to get the president out. The goal was political.

We produced propaganda. Some people have said that fulfills the actual malice standard, now allowing Donald Trump to sue CNN for defamation because you have a CNN staffer, a director, on the record saying, yeah, we're full of it. Can you use this guy's – is it testimony know can you use this guy's is it testimony is this considered what is it can you use this guy's statements as like in a court of law i don't know i'm not a lawyer no that he i mean they would have to get him tested i i don't think there's any chance of that the actual malice standard you know new york times v salomon which is the case especially the federal courts uh the judiciary in terms of the case on this has been very predisposed towards deference, towards media speech.

And I think that's the way to go. And I just, for them, they would have to show, number one, that it was representative of CNN. And of who spoke in the first place. Exactly. Did he have the authority as an agency to say that? And the individual who reported, say, Donald Trump punched a goat or something. Right.

Was it the same person? Right. Did that person genuinely believe they were telling the truth? Right. It's not so cut and dry. But I actually agree to a certain degree that protecting speech for the media is important in that sometimes there's a legitimate attempt at reporting news. You make a mistake.

And if we sued every time someone got something wrong, there wouldn't be news outlets. Right. News outlets should correct. And I guess that was the intent. It was like, well, you know, they can just correct the record, but there's no obligation to do it. That's problem number one. If CNN writes fake news and Donald Trump says, please correct this, they can say no. Then, you know, Trump or somebody will file a defamation suit and the judge

will say, anti-slap, you're dismissed, get out. So how do you correct the record when these outlets are lying and you can't break through that, you know, actual mal-standard, that barrier? Well, I think the ultimate correction point you would hope, and certainly I believe it, is that credibility is lost, right? That the consumer ultimately gets to decide what they want with news, right? You have people watching this show, you have people watching CNN, whatever their reasons, you have people reading across the gamut of news and commentary, and that ultimately we would hope that people decide actually when they see stuff coming out and a lack of responsibility, right? People are willing to forgive mistakes that perhaps it's not the place for them to. That's the inverse, though.

If CNN admits they were wrong, they lose credibility. Well, they lose credibility with their most loyal base. But I think if they don't admit they're wrong. Then no one knows they're wrong. Well, I think people are talking about,, well, that I think, you know, people are talking about, I mean, Project Veritas, right, that it's out there.

I agree with you. You note earlier that I think is absolutely true, the fact that Fox News is in its own, at least in cable news, kind of wilderness. And we see this right with Newsmax trying to break in there and struggling to get on. And we saw actually, you know,

and it's something, there's going to be a great battle in the uk coming up with a couple of new uh networks trying to break in there and some of the lobbying already the bbc they don't want that competition in there canada with um the sun news network that wasn't able to be viable because it wasn't able to get on you know providers yeah and and so yeah it's a double-edged sword. If you can't force them to correct, we have a very serious problem because then there's incentive to lie. They make money on the lie.

If they write a fake news story, they could be sitting there thinking like, look, the worst case scenario is we write a story saying Donald Trump punches a baby goat. We're going to get 10 million views. We're going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. And if we have to retract tomorrow, it's no big deal.

Because you know what? They make money on the retraction as well. Yeah. And I think a broader challenge there is that I used to think one of the great solutions to this is we have Google News, right, that you can read around. And then I realized, well, Google news seems to be providing some news outlets more equal than others you know it's borrowed from orwell and and it's really i mean it's true you know i don't know yeah and and i don't know why uh well i i have my suspicions that there's an inherent bias i actually emailed google about this and they said no no no no our algorithms prevent

that from ever happening okay i i'm not convinced that that might be the case so you know if as you say right people need to be able to not only access the news but know that counterpoint exists and people are busy right yes right so so the way the problem i see is this you hire a plumber you know when the plumber doesn't fix your toilet right so you're like hey buddy i need you to come in and fix the toilet he comes in and says your toilet's all fixed and you're like all right you flush it and then the water spills out and you're like it's, buddy, I need you to come in and fix the toilet. He comes in and says, your toilet's all fixed. And you're like, all right, you flush it. And then the water spills out and you're like, it's not fixed. Right.

I can see it's broken. Right. With news, you're hoping that what they're telling you is the truth. After they come out and they say, here's your official news report on the Middle East. Go ahead and read it. You're like, I'm assuming it's true. Right. I just cross my fingers and hope the guy I hired to do the job is telling me the truth.

And often they're not. They do clever tricks. Sometimes it's the truth, but you omit half the information. The story is very different. For instance, when the Trump slump hit and the ratings dropped, Newsmax ratings go down. CNN ratings go down. What does CNN report? Newsmax ratings collapse.

But if they told you the truth everyone's ratings went down the reality was people in general are just tired of news by framing it only as news max they make it seem like trump's followers are losing faith or they're not interested in reality had nothing to do with it right that's just the manipulation it's the framing technique right no i mean it's it is and and you know i do think though if if we look at um the ability of um especially the younger generation to access you know the the astuteness with which they are dealing with technology um uh and looking for you know more creative even rebellious um kind of outlooks that dynamic dynamic is only going to continue to grow.

And I know that sounds kind of basic and shallow and sort of almost kind of corporatist in its simplicity. But if you look at foreign locales, for example, the degree to which, for example, Clubhouse is performing a massive challenge to China, that the census, this industrial, you industrial, hundreds of thousands of people employed to constrain flows of information. They can't because then there's a sub-club house and then there's, you know, someone goes across and uses a cut-out ISP and, you know,

certainly that's what we've been doing, the US was doing in Iran. I think the Biden administration has actually cut it off, the CIA program, but... We were allowing Iranians to communicate? We were providing them with independent satellite, internet satellite. And Biden cut it off?

As I understand it, yeah. It's part of a covert action program that the Trump administration set up. Wow. I mean, that seems like a good thing. Yeah, it is. Helping people communicate with each other. Yeah. Human rights as well, right? Yeah.

Trump supposedly didn't like that so much. Well, Biden must not be for human rights, I suppose. Right. Well, you know. I'm starting to have a hard time differentiating between The Onion and CNN and random YouTuber spouting who he hates and loves. Like, it's all becoming this crap hole. Like, Just opinion. Is it farce? I can't even tell. You know what the funny thing is?

The Babylon Bee is at this point, I'm going to wag my finger. They're not satire anymore. You know why? Because they're actually reporting the truth, but facetiously. So they'll say something like I think it was the babylon

b to put this out they say um after securing peace in the middle east the u.s announces they'll withdraw from afghanistan because joe biden announced we're going to be withdrawing from afghanistan in september hey i'm all for that thank you joe biden i mean it all right no i think he's gonna just throw him right back into syria so you know we got to make sure we're going to stay vigilant on this one but i do think think it's funny when the Babylon Bee reports a story that it is satire. They're making fun of it, but it's like basically the truth, but snarky. So that's like, we're in such a world of absurdity that even now, I mean, look, the Biden administration is ripe for parody, especially right now. Kyle Kashuv tweeted, I was told by so many people that if we voted for joe biden everything would come back to normal and the violence would

stop you know so so where are we at guys the riots are kicking back up everything's getting worse it is a world of parody man i do i do think still and of course my accent would suggest bias here but i i'm trying to you know be objective bbc news their website um i think it's still very good there is of course bias um the analytical when they have some of the reporters doing their analysis i think the bias comes through the more but the basic nuts and bolts reporting on there and the ability to kind of go in different places a lot of that is informed by some of the world service stuff they do um and there are actually pretty good structured checks and balances at bbc and i i complained about a piece um their russian bbc news wrote about me about an article i'd written a couple years ago and

you know they have a two-week um you know respond to complaints goes through a process so of course the counterpoint to that is, well, that is being paid for by the TV license fee, which everyone in the UK has to pay. So there's a tax. So this is not... BBC is pretty good. But you've got to read around, I suppose.

Exactly. You've got to read around, which is sad. It's pretty good. It doesn't mean you can just trust every single thing you're going to read from them or from anybody. So when it comes to sources, they have a lot of dry articles. That's a good thing. When you read the news and it's like Donald Trump said today that he was planning on putting tariffs on this country, Joe Biden responded, blah, blah, blah.

And it's just that? You're like, okay, that's probably just good. It's when they start talking about the far right and the – Opinion. Yeah. It's like opinion pops in. The alt-right. The definition.

But here's the important point about the Times v. Sullivan thing, that Project Veritas has just won and may set precedent for years to come. I'm sure you're familiar. They're suing the New York Times. You heard about that? Yes. Well, they got passed the motion to dismiss, which is huge. I think James said only eight times in the past, you know, 80 years or whatever has the has a motion to dismiss been have people got past that. And what the judge basically said is that, you know, well, hold on. The New York Times said these statements about Project Veritas

being deceptive are unverifiable opinion and thus are not actionable. And so the judge responded, okay, well, if that was the case, then I guess a fact-based news article, or at least one purporting to be, would have to inform its readers this is an opinion, not assert an opinion as a fact. In which case, I guess he's basically saying, if you say this article I'm about to read to you is 100% fact, Ian is a deceiver and a liar, then the assumption is I'm saying statements of fact in a newspaper. Yeah, I just think when we get to the Supreme Court, I take the point that the case law is trying to, I think the judges are trying to get a little bit more nuance on this. And when it gets to the Supreme Court, I think it's probably going to be eight to one in favor in the New York Times. Why do you think so? against the supreme court that i think it's probably going to be you know eight to one in favor in the new york times that kind of thing because i think the judiciary and and i really i

ultimately i think it's the right course uh that they should be allowed to lie maximal no that maximal speech uh for all its cost lies included uh is advantageous over um not so much restricted speech but the chilling of speech i think that is the great concern in jurisprudence and really foundational, actually, to the United States. And you look at how the contrast in English defamation law, for example, which is why we were talking earlier, I think, why we have the Qatar World Cup. It's a very good case to be made for that,

that the lawyers of the Sunday Times didn't report as early as they could have on the bribery. And certainly, it's interesting, for example, how much American journalists will get letters from, you know, English London PR or legal firms saying this is highly defamatory. Take it down. No. Now, I know that's the, you know, who would disagree with that?

Maybe because it is and it's a lot of lies. Well, I don't think it down. No. Now, I know that's the, you know, who would disagree with that? Maybe because it is and it's a lot of lies. I don't think it is. I think when you're talking about Russian organized crime bosses who like to kill people and it doesn't get reported in the British media because they have a lot of money and will take you to court. It's good that, you know, I'm writing about that. I couldn't do that in England. That matters, that stuff. The problem then is that they literally just make things up activists are dominating these newsrooms and when you know the idea works when you have a newsroom

that's filled with people of good moral standing you'll have a few bad people trying to lie but when activists take over a newsroom like they did in the new york times and they did several employees have already resigned or been forced out or written letters about it then there's going to be be like, awesome. Now we're going to use Times v. Sullivan to say whatever we want about whoever we want. There's nothing they can do about it. But then they literally come out and say the New York Times said in their defense, our our news article, which is purporting to be statements of fact, are actually unverifiable opinion. And the average reader doesn't know that. You know, I guess I have more confidence in the average reader in terms of being more discriminant. I think certainly, again, this generational shift.

I mean, you look at, you know, your viewership, The Hill, Saga and Jetty and Crystal Ball's show. You know, these new form media places are just growing exponentially. And, you know, you've got to think that some of these people are, even if they're not necessarily abandoning, you know, they're still reading the New York Times, they're reading around more or viewing around more. And so, you know, I do think, again, at some point, you're always going to have those people who want to hear what they want to hear. But you're also going to have, I think, a lot of people who get slightly frustrated with limited time, right? They want to be informed.

You know, investigative journalism that really stands up is still the best way to generate traffic. You know, and I'm fairly optimistic. So I would say I agree with you more than I don't. I may be concerned about a lot of these lies, but with Substack, with the sheer panic we're seeing in the faces of these corporate media outlets, they're freaking out. Glenn Greenwald just announced that he's going to be taking on freelance writers for his Substack, which is like just the other day I was saying like, man, we got to see Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald start bringing out people, grow their organizations, use the Substack model to create new news outlets.

He's doing it. What is Substack? It's just basically like Patreon for writing, I guess. You can set up an account tell people you know x dollars a month and you can see my articles oh cool and then glenn writes his articles as he's always done and people will toss him a couple bucks a month to do so i mean think about it you get 10 000 true fans just 10 000 at 10 bucks a month you're making a million bucks sub stack takes a cut right now i think sub stack is actually taking most of the money, but they're writing huge advanced checks to basically kickstart the careers or I should say the – right now, there are some people who have like 1,000 or 2,000 paying subscribers.

It's enough for maybe a younger person, someone who's older with a family, like especially a prominent writer is going to be like, i'm going to be losing a lot of money cutting my salary in half to do this so that so you know they're announcing okay we'll give you half a million dollars for two years which is huge and then after the two years is up we revert the subscriptions back to you and we get you know 10 or something interesting yeah and we do see with you know with like twitchy with gaming the degree to which people are even not not influence, which is, I think, quite refreshing. But the same is true with Substack, or at least with Patreon. I'm not sure if it is true with Substack, are willing to, you know, pay more for that extra tier, right? To me, engage.

Maybe a phone call, you know, a video conference, whatever. And it's not kind of editorial pressure, right? That a company that is buying millions of dollars of ads. So there's that kind of fresher investment portfolio that goes with that. And it's also interesting. You think of Matt Iglesias, right, from Vox. Vox was that kind of fresh startup

and he sort of left there and is doing his stuff. So there's this constant revolutionary uh dynamic in media which you know you got to think is positive this is a great thing um because what a lot of these people are realizing too some of these people have 300 400 000 followers on twitter and now they're seeing someone with only a thousand fans but real fans paying 10 bucks a month these people are not making a six-figure salary and these people people on Twitter are like, wait, you're getting paid? I got hundreds of thousands of people. I'm not getting any money.

You got some people who work. They got hundreds of thousands of followers. They go and work for CNN. What are they getting paid? A six-figure salary probably, decent. And they're thinking like, if I got 10,000 of my followers to pay $10 a month, I'd be a millionaire.

So they're going to start leaving these companies. They're going to cut off that editorial oversight. And this guy who says, this is what CNN does. We propagandize to help Trump, to help, you know, to make Trump lose. People are going to leave and they're not going to be involved in that anymore. And they're going to be like, I can write about whatever I want. And then they're going to start, well, a lot of people will just write tribal garbage because, you know, a lot of people are just tribal garbage.

But a lot of people are going to write what they feel like writing. And I think this is good because it's going to diversify opinions in a lot of ways and then we're going to watch these these news outlets just yep and then they will be connected through the confetti verse confetti verse yeah why are you calling it the confetti we're going to confederate basically so that we all interoperate that's a very poor choice well rather than it being a fediverse where it's top down i don't know whatever call whatever we want i think metanet's another federation the federation of uh like federation is cool basically star trek right confederacy in this game these companies that are like

confederate you know like siphoning off the value of their workers that are like come work for me and i'll i'll recoup the ad revenue and then pay you a salary that's going away i get it i get it but just for branding let's try and go like star trek the you know the federation of planets united federation of planets yeah instead of the confederacy you know i don't even know what's the difference between a confederacy and a federacy i think a confederacy is within a um that a unitary political structure at the top whereas the federation is um many different so the confederacy has one you know president uh and the federation is a sort of council but i may have got that totally wrong so maybe i'll just shut up it might be the other way around the other way around actually okay yeah the fat like a like the federal government you know but i don't know i

don't know i think honestly might be like that think, honestly, it might be like flammable. You're probably right. Flammable and inflammable. Con just means with. So with federation. Flammable and inflammable. Beware. It means the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

There you go. It's just branding. It's just branding. Right, right. You know, it's like, hey, you want to be like the sci-fi future of Awesome or do you want to sound like those guys? No, no, no. Yeah, no.

So we just had an exercise there in being wary of a British accent being the deliverer of intellectual analysis. We've been working on this Fediverse project. And, I mean, I think writers are going that way too. It's not only going to be video makers. It's going to be all sorts of creators. Oh, I want to put Substack out of business. Yeah, exactly. So listen to this.

You write for Substack. These people are making six figures, and it's fantastic. But Substack wants to take 10%. The hosting cost of an article is nothing. The hosting cost of a video is substantial. So you got, look, if you're somebody who makes videos for YouTube, I understand why you want to use YouTube because uploading videos, this live stream, my friends, those of you who are listening to this, we're live right now on YouTube. This would be so insanely expensive.

You know, 32,000 plus viewers. You know, we sometimes reach 50 or even 60. We've had over 100 in some episodes. I've calculated those costs with business-to-business companies in the past. And that's going to cost you thousands of dollars per minute or hour. Like, it's just gnarly, the data cost. Because you've got to understand this. The transmission of a high-definition definition broadcast two megabits per second going up and then going out to you know 40 000 people so multiply your your bandwidth and like whoo so use youtube youtube subsidizes these costs substack though

you write an article it's text it's like it's there's no data at all basically it's a tiny file so what do you pay in substack 10 for for? So we want to make this project, we're actually working on it, Ian spearheading it, where you can download this open source package for your own website that turns your website into your own privately owned subscription service platform, just like a regular website with a membership option. But it's like one click and boom, you're done. That also networks you with all the other websites that use the same software. So effectively, you won't need to go to Substack or Patreon or any of these other subscription services because now someone could own their own website and keep 100% of the revenue that

comes in with open source free software. That's the mission. That sounds pretty cool. Yeah. We'll see. You know, we'll see. I wouldn't say it's too ambitious. No.

It's not particularly the company. No, it's going to happen regardless. We're just helping it along. And this is going to help decentralize the news media. It's going to help decentralize commentary. It's going to protect people who would have their income destroyed by a subscription service that says, well, you're offensive and we don't want you on our platform. All right, well, now it's your own website. You still got to deal with your hosting provider, who's running your servers, where you get your domain names from. You still got to follow

their rules. There's still some... Your payment processor. I think in the future we'll be able to find workarounds for all of those things. And one open source package that covers everything. Yeah, man. Simplicity and control are good combinations for prospective creators. Then people will be allowed to express themselves honestly and

without manipulation and without fear of getting canceled. That's the plan. Let's jump to this next story, though, because we went a little long on that one, but I thought it was worth talking about because the media is trash. Yeah, and I forced my daily shout out to the Fediverse. Rock and roll. Yeah, I mean, the Fediverse is a ton of like Mastodon.

It's particularly lefty, but it's a protocol that you can't do anything about it. Check this out. You guys have heard there are riots going on. We got the story from ABC5 Eyewitness News. Sources say Washington County Attorney's Office expected to charge officer in Brooklyn Center shooting on Wednesday. So this is this woman.

Her name is Kim Potter. The case was sent to the Washington County Attorney's Office to avoid a conflict of interest with the Hennepin County Attorney's Office, which works closely with Brooklyn Center's police on criminal cases. The extent of the charges will be learned tomorrow. Brooklyn Center police released body camera video that shows Officer Potter shooting and killing 20-year-old Dante Wright Sunday afternoon. Brooklyn Center's former police chief, Tim Gannon, police chief resigned today. This is nuts. The

whole area is just falling apart. State of the Union believed Potter accidentally discharged her weapon, believing she was using her taser and not her gun. Potter and Gannon resigned from Brooklyn Center Police Department on Tuesday. And you know what? I can't speak too much for this officer Kim Potter. She shot somebody. Cops, look, I don't care who you are. You're responsible

for what comes out of your gun. That's just basic, you know, gun responsibility. I understand it wasn't intentional, or at least that's what they're claiming. We'll see how this investigation goes. But for the police chief to resign, I'm like, I'm giving him applauses. Bravo.

I think every single cop in the Twin Cities area and suburbs, they should all right now turn in their badges and walk away. They should all resign. All of them right now, right at once. You must be joking. I am not.

I mean it. Why do you think they should resign? Well, because these leftists have demanded the police be abolished. I think the police say, okay. I think, yes, absolutely. Police, you're not wanted here. The activists have said so. The logic oozes out of you.

You know what the issue is? Where are the regular people standing up and saying, no, don't do this? When the police were under threat last year, when the riots were sweeping across the state and these cities, the police were scapegoated, were insulted, berated over the actions of a few. I'm not a big fan of the place as a whole. I think they need reform. But I understand individuals, many of these cops, they're good people.

They're not trying to get in between and get in politics. There are some real risks with trying to neutrally enforce the law when you've got some people saying you got to do one thing, some people saying you got to do the other thing, and then accidents happen. Some cops are really bad people. They should be held accountable. But we need police. A civil society requires police to be able to make arrests.

This guy, Dante Wright, he was wanted now. They're reporting an aggravated robbery. So that was his warrant. Like, okay, that's a legit crime. Don't resist. If the cops are arresting you, you fight it in court and he decided to jump in his car and scuffle it out with the cops. These cops are being treated like trash. So I say they show all of these people, they tell the people of where they live. If people here won't stand up for us, if people here aren't willing to do what it takes to empower the police to protect them, they must not want them there.

So here's what I see. The loudest, the squeaky wheel are those who riot, saying abolish the police. Rashida Tlaib, what did she say? No more policing. No more. Get them out of there. And the cops stand to fight and say, we will not stand for this. But I mean, we've been seeing even conservatives throw Blue Lives Matter flags in the dirt and step on it because the cops were enforcing these unconstitutional lockdowns. Right now, what we need are the regular people to prove that they actually want the police. If they won't do that, then as far as I'm concerned, the vote's in. But how do they do that? Stand up, go outside, protest, hold big rallies and say, we support our police. They won't do it, though.

They will not do it. Says to me, they don't care. I really, really think most people don't care about any of this. And so my point is, what do you think will happen if the police say, blue flu, we're all sick? It will take 10 seconds for the people of these cities to call the officers personally and say, please, I beg of you come back. Or the department will hire a bunch of scabs and the crap officers

will come in and do really crappy jobs and be violent and even worse. What do you think is happening already? All the good cops, I should say all of them, but many of the good cops quit last year. In Seattle, in Portland, and in Minneapolis, we saw across the country in Exodus, the good cops quit last year in Seattle, in Portland and Minneapolis. We saw across the country in Exodus. The good cops were the ones saying, I will not be abused.

I will not be a party to this. And I will not stand by while the D.A., the prosecutors allow rioters to destroy the cities and they do nothing when we arrest them. I'm done. You got it. They voted for this. They had an election and they voted for this. So at this point, I'm dumbfounded as the police who think they're

going to be accepted what they're doing is acceptable in a community that absolutely despises them i i also think that we have to be careful here though because i think the very best cops stay for all this in in the same way that some of the very best you know members of the military whatever professional branch under pressure nurses um, a sense of duty, which is kind of antithetical to some of the contemporary discourse. But people who truly believe that kinship of service, of going out there and still doing it, whether for religious reasons, just moral reasons. I agree that at the political level i agree with

you i'm surprised that frankly the republican party hasn't been more aggressive in terms of saying hey look body cameras zero-sum game let's get those body cameras everyone right it's great good cops love it great evidence okay what's the worst that happens they get you know locker room talk is caught in the car yeah but most of us in society think if this, okay, fine. But at the level of, you know, again, Rashida Tlaib, right, who is held up as by the media will say on one hand, well, she doesn't represent the Democratic Party. On the other hand, this great sort of new visionary for the party, you know, having the cake and eating it. Yeah. You know, this is pretty wacko stuff.

The big issue is that these cops will arrest these extremists, the rioters, the looters. And then the DA will say, you're free to go and release them without charge. A bunch of felony charges in Portland got dropped. And these cops are like, well, I'll just keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome. Or I guess some of the cops are probably like, well, I know they're not going to jail, but I sure love bashing skulls. I can't I can't imagine. So let me let me slow down for a minute. State police who were brought in to Portland retreated, saying we arrest these people and the prosecutors let them go.

We're done. We're not doing this anymore. And I'm like, thank you. That makes sense. And then what happened was the DHS deputized state police as federal law enforcement so that when the state police arrested someone, the federal prosecutors could step in. Brilliant. No escalation of force, no military coming in. And now these people were getting prosecuted. And you know what happened? Many of the activists ran scared. I shouldn't call them activists. Activists are great. These are extremists and terrorists. They started panicking,

writing blogs, saying the FBI showed up to my house. The FBI showed up to my friend's house. This is not a game anymore. The cost for the extremists when they burn down buildings is much too low. They're risking people's lives. There was active gunfire the other night in the Minneapolis area. And the cost for these people is zero. In Portland, what happened to those guys who fired hundreds of rounds from rifles into an SUV with two teenagers killing them? The cost was nothing. And these extremists know it. They can go out, they can burn things down and nothing will happen. Well, the cost is cop will jam you up. But don't worry, your good buddy in the DA will cut you loose in two seconds and the cops will just shrug. The cops need to be like, I'm not going to do it.

You do it. I also think one of the great tragic ironies here is that the Black Lives Matter movement trying to address real issues at the same time the utter unwillingness to face up to the fact that we talk about what the police officers do for example we've seen it right in the in the summer crime waves baltimore uh chicago i was a baltimore sun columnist who wrote a great piece on this i think you know a year ago the cops stop doing their job right that they said i am not going to entertain this personal risk to me this liability vilification vilification, in case I get it wrong. And what is the consequence of that? Well, in some of these areas, in many of these cities

where the predominant homicide issue is young black men killing other young black men, more young black men die. And as a society, then when we have Rashida Tlaib saying this, does she seriously care about the interest she's talking about the facts would suggest I would say forensically that she does not uh and and making that case you know you would think there would be opportunities here for for you know young republican mayors independent mayors to run and say hey we are going to have accountability on the part of the police again that body camera issue, you know, very well funded internal affairs departments. But at the same time,

we're going to go out and try and stop criminality. And there's a racism in the sense that people wouldn't want that. You know, of course, most people want to be able to live their lives in safety. You take a look at what the left tends to care about, what the media tends to report on, and it's getting just so obvious it's mind-numbing. You know, there was – there's a viral tweet. I can't remember what it's from, so forgive me. But they were saying something like the media actually, you know, sorts through all the different news stories trying to find the one story that would cause the most hate and division that will get them traffic and get them clicks to their website. And that fuels all of this.

Then you end up with a bunch of young people who are deranged. I mean, there's a video. I don't know if you guys have seen it, where it's this guy with no shirt on, on the ground, just screaming and crying, Black Lives Matter! Like, at the top of his lungs. And I'm like, this man needs to turn Twitter off, turn off the TV, like, go see a movie, go watch Birds of Prey.

Maybe he'll like that one. And then he'll just like calm down, dude. The world is not ending. Things are not worse than they've ever been. These people have genuinely gone nuts. Then from this, you get people pandering to them. The politicians, people like Rashid Tlaib, step up and they say something like, I'm going to say something mindless and insane and hope that someone votes for me because of it.

And then the whole system just decays. I'm looking at this Tlaib quote that police should be abolished because this is from Daily Mail, because force is intentionally racist. This is the quote, intentionally racist and cannot be reformed. Force is intentionally racist and cannot be reformed. Force is like a scientific phrase. It's not. It's a mechanical function. Well, so Rashid Tlaib,

in response to all of this, tweeted, it wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently and intentionally racist. Dante Wright was met with aggression and violence. I am done with those who condone government-funded murder. No more policing, incarceration,

and militarization. It can't be reformed. Okay, let's take two seconds here. First, it was initially reported that this guy Dante Wright was wanted on a misdemeanor gun charge. And apparently he got stopped. They found out he had a gun. He fled. Now, when I heard that, I was like, sounds to me like his only crime was the non-crime of enjoying a Second Amendment rights. If that's the case, then this is absolutely wrong. However, even if it was, in my opinion, an unjustified and unconstitutional act, you don't resist the police.

When they come to arrest you, you have the privilege of a trial to defend yourself and actually fight for others in the process because the precedent set by your cases could help others in the future. Instead, he fought with the cops. He dove into the car. They knew he was on a weapons charge. He had a Ruger 45. He ended up getting shot and killed. And it's a tragic story. I wish it didn't happen, but come on. The cops need to be able to make arrests. The cops don't know who this guy is or what his story is. They don't know if he's a good guy, a bad guy. All they know is we got a warrant. But now it turns out it was an aggravated robbery charge.

So this warrant was actually like this guy strangled a woman and demanded $800 from her at gunpoint. Okay, hold on a minute. It's a little different. Yeah, he probably should be arrested for that. And he resisted and tried running away. We have the story actually from the New York Post. They say Dante Wright had an open warrant related to an armed robbery against him when he was shot dead Sunday. Wright, 20, and another man had been charged with first degree attempted aggravated robbery in

December 2019 for allegedly trying to steal $820 from a woman at gunpoint, according to Henneman County District Court documents. The pair had crashed at the victim's home, crashed the victim's home in the city of Osseo after attending a party there, then demanded money the next morning while flashing a gun, authorities said in court papers. Give me the effing money. I'm not playing around, Wright told the woman, according to prosecutors. The victim refused and began screaming for both men to leave, records show. Give me the money and we will leave, Wright allegedly told her. Give me the money and we will go. The two men eventually left the home without any dough according to documents right was later arrested in the case and released on a hundred thousand dollars bail but he violated his bail

conditions in july when he failed to stay in touch with his court monitor the paper said according to the daily mail he was also in possession of a gun at some point after his arrest for the robbery which was also in violation of the condition of his bail release so apparently that case was actually derivative of the fact that he tried shaking someone. He tried an armed robbery. Now, Rashida Tlaib, you've got to think about what she's saying now in this context, the sheer absurdity of this. It wasn't an accident.

It clearly was an accident. I tweeted the cop should go to jail because two things. You're responsible for what comes out of your gun. This was a negligent shooting. It wasn't an accident. I tweeted the cop should go to jail because two things. You're responsible for what comes out of your gun. This was a negligent shooting. It wasn't an accident. She was reaching for a weapon. She was intending to cause harm. She wasn't intending to kill him. Not murder, but negligence. Also, these police in the area need to, how do they not realize the ramifications, the political consequences of what they're doing, defending what's going on right now? If they genuinely believe Chauvin was just doing his job and these cops are being unjustly prosecuted, morale is low. Shouldn't they stand up for themselves? So I have very

little empathy, if any, for people who are like, I know they're going to throw someone under the bus, but I'm going to say nothing and then I'll be fine. Even after saying that, I still recognize the shooting was not intentional i still recognize this guy broke the law and was resisting i still recognize the altercation could have been avoided it was the actions of the individual being pulled over cops got to do their job and rashid tolave is saying no more policing okay no more policing right and and and you know i think as well that the circumstances that you identify there certainly will be used at the trial, right? If charges, if they try and upcharge beyond negligent manslaughter, right?

Because that speaks to the circumstances that police officers face them in, right? When the dispatcher says, go to this call, it's going to be, you know, proceed with caution, armed, dangerous. There's, you know, reasonable suspicion to believe that much probable cause in this case that that they're this person's capable of violence and the officer would say okay i have fear that's why i didn't think properly but i do think the broader point in terms of the political discourse you know as you suggest has been heavily weighted i just i guess i'm more i do think there is again this this sort of silent majority yes needs to be more visible, both at a political level and a populist level. But again, it's the same. It's the silent Trump voter again. Right.

Most people think this is totally choose profanity, profanity of choice. um it it is interesting though that we don't hold rashida slave in the same kind of disdain that we would if you know donald trump you know some of the things that president trump has tweeted for example uh you know this is really this is kind of ufo you know out of space stuff except ufos are actually serious you know you know i will say in terms of you know saying the cop should be arrested my my bigger issue that that infuriates me with everything is that there are people who will privately say to you i'm so upset with what's going on and then you're like all right will you stand up with me oh no no heavens no i won't take any risk it's like you know, I've always

respected the idea that, you know, back in the day in these wars, the leader would be on horse and he would charge in with his men and lead them into battle. Now you've got people who are like, yes, look at all these problems. Oh, I'm not going to say anything. I don't want to get canceled. You do it for me. So when I see these cops sitting back while other cops are being demonized and villainized, thinking like, meh, what do I care? I won't speak up. I won't stand up. I won't resign.

I won't protest this. I'm like, okay, if you won't defend others who have been put in these positions, I'm not going to defend you. I think this lady should go to prison. I hope the system comes for her for all it's worth. Chauvin, as we're now learning, it's not so clear cut exactly what happened and why Floyd lost his life. And they're trying to charge him with second degree murder. Now, manslaughter might make sense. There's an argument for there. In fact, the state may have actually convinced the jury of that. We'll see what happens. The defense is arguing

tomorrow and Thursday. And then I think they're off friday and then the deliberations begin but murder two and three are insane the fact of the system charged him with this in the first place was nuts he's probably gonna get quit on that charge there's probably gonna be riots i keith ellison right right hyper political exactly looking for his own future aspirations at the expense of the law but i i what bothers me is that there were a lot of good cops who walked when this went down. And they said, if you're going to play this game, I won't be a part of it. And I applaud those cops because those are the good cops. Some of them are probably actually bad people,

but they're willing to stand up at least for themselves. And this cop just seems like another one of these people who thinks that as the world is burning down around them, they can say nothing and do nothing and they'll be fine. It won't come for them. I talk about this all the time with like the wokeness, the critical race theory stuff, where people are like, I know it's bad, but as long as I keep my head down, I'll be fine. And no, you won't. If this really is as bad as people think it is, eventually it will come for you and there's no escaping it. Your best chance now is to speak up. Otherwise, there will be no one left to speak up for you. Now she's been involved in this.

The political system is dominated by these activists. The city manager got fired for calling for due process. And I'm just like, well, I mean, you knew this was going to happen. You knew it's what they called for last year. You knew they literally voted to abolish the police one town over 10 miles from you. Why should I have sympathy for this? A lot of people I know, a lot of good people I've talked to in the Minnesota and Minneapolis area have straight up said, yeah, we're moving. We're leaving.

We won't be a part of this. We won't let our tax dollars fund this. And then a bunch of people just shrugged it off and said, oh, whatever. Okay, well, now you get to be Chauvin. But I do think, again again this stuff does hit a i i agree with you in the broad need to identify to call out that you know the cancel culture you know the fake wokery whatever um but at the point of paying taxes as you suggest i think a lot of people like enough because the especially on these policing matters it's not simply the matter of taxes. It's taxes for, you know, an exigent interest, right?

Protection of self and family. And when you combine those two factors, you know, I do think we will, I mean, this is just going to be a developing trend. It's also, I think, at the political level, ultimately why the Rashida Tlaib crowd is going to lose. Ultimate. It'll lose? Ultimate. Ultimate. Yeah, sure.

I mean, look, President Trump really nearly won, right? I do agree with you. I do. That they'll end up losing. Yeah. It's just the problem is it's not going to happen until there's widespread violence and destruction on a scale that we will regret. I'm sure many people are upset about what happened last year with the George Floyd riots.

Regret is a hard word to use because it caught everyone off guard. And now we're looking back at it like, how do we stop this anger for the people who rioted and looted? Now we have an option. We have a chance. Are we going to stand up and do something before it's too late? Apparently, the answer is no. Obviously, we'll talk about this. People who are watching the show understand what's going on. But too many regular people have been ignoring this. The cops in Brooklyn Center thought they would be allowed to get past the lunatic woke outrage mob. They thought they would be safe. Are you kidding me? Your fellow officers are going down in flames and being sacrificed at the woke altar. And you did nothing. You said nothing. You said, I'll be fine. Well, now you're not fine. So that these cops have a chance if they all resign today. By tomorrow, the police would be

totally funded. They'd have better training. Much of these problems would be solved. They'd be better equipped. They'd be safer. The problem isn't that police have too much funding. It's that they have too little funding. We are asking people and and these activists don't remember this, that these cops are human beings to go into situations where people want to kill them. We've seen the videos. They're scary videos where someone reaches into their car. We saw the guy in Wisconsin, in Kenosha. When he was going to his car, he grabbed the knife and the cops shot him. And then they riot in that city. Apparently that cop is back on duty, actually, because I don't think he did anything wrong. Like someone grabbed the knife. This guy had assaulted a woman. These people don't realize this about these cops, that they're not vicious and depraved murderers. And many of these people

are psychologically damaged after being involved in these shootings. I mean, this woman, I really do believe she accidentally shot this guy, Dante. She went, holy S, I just shot him. I don't think she meant to do that. I'm sure she's been crying non-stop right mentally just fractured because of this so with respect i'm not trying to be mean if the police right now said to the people we have been dealing with riots non-stop for a year we have begged for your support and instead all we have gotten was defunded insulted demoralized abolished and scapegoated i city is all yours i think the moral way to do it though would be would be to give a period of notice, 30 days. Because then you can balance. That's actually much better.

Because then at least when you do it, say, hey, this is now the political responsibility, right? The crimes that happen in that window of absent policing. But I also think as well the delusion, right, that anyone who says like Rashida Tlaib, you know, policing, get rid of it, incarceration, doesn't work, great. You know, these are not people who have been exposed to criminality, right? Police officers, you know, anyone who knows anyone who's been to prison, I think would come out and say there are a lot of people in there who had really a bad start to life uh

could they have been diverted um there are also a lot of people who are really not nice people yeah and when we're talking not nice we're like you know really not nice and and and so police officers dealing with that every day um one of the things i found interesting is like in some ways british humor is very similar to like american police humor it's very dark and i think part of the transit and it does british humor doesn't sometimes translate in the united states and i think part of the reason police officers were a big reason is that you know you're just dealing every day with tragic circumstances you're doing a lot of good but you're also dealing with really unpleasant people and And that takes a toll. Did you hear about the cash bail thing in New York

where they want to get rid of it? Or they got rid of it, I'm sorry. I actually didn't, no. So earlier in the year, like last year, there was this bill where they said, basically, if you're arrested for a certain nonviolent crime... Oh, misdemeanor at the level... Yeah, you will be...

Order released. Right, so no bail. Here's the challenge, man. I don't like the idea of charging people money to get out of jail to wait. Because innocent until proven guilty. It's better that the guilty escape than innocent sufferer, all that stuff, Blackstone's formulation. But there was apparently one guy who got arrested several times and kept getting released. And apparently in a quote, he was laughing.

He was like, y'all caught me doing it and let me go. It's like we have to it's the constitution but some people are bad people and we know it right and it's and it and it's and it's tough to deal with these people while maintaining constitutional rights that there is an interesting issue here as well that that you know one of the controversies for some is that that police that judges are elected here right at a local level. And, you know, I do think there can be a cost to that, that the reflex can be more punitive sometimes for certain crimes. But the benefit is that you can avoid a situation, for example,

that exists in much of Europe, certainly in Britain, where the cops are arresting people and they've got a rap sheet that is just pages and pages long, and the judges are still sort of, you know, 90-day community service centers. And how that, not simply the immorality of that in a democratic society, but also how that corrodes the public trust, which the public ultimately in a democracy must be the guardians, right, or must be the masters, how they no essentially you know the judiciary is separate to the political branch but there's no input right that they just simply see and people eventually just like they

lose faith this is this the system the system is supposed to work because of judges. Because a judge can look at a person and say, you're accused of this crime. What say you? And the person says, your honor, I beg of you. I have to work my job and be with my kids. I will be in court. And the judge can be like, okay, let's set some conditions that aren't cash because you can't afford it where we can ensure you will come to work. How about house arrest but with a provision for you to go to work? Instead, I've seen these videos where the judge is like, your bail is set as $1,000, your honor.

I watched this video. It was maddening. The guy is like, your honor, please, please. I have to go to – I have to be with my family. I have to work my job. I'll lose my job if I'm in jail. And he goes, I said $1,000. Bang.

And I'm like, that to me doesn't work because – now maybe in this, the guy actually was a bad dude who was just trying to pull a fast one. But then you have the inverse where you just mentioned in New York, it's like, your honor, we arrested this guy. All right. I understand the cashless bail thing. But like, here's his rap sheet. He's been convicted of seven crimes in the past. Can we at least hold this guy? No.

Free to go. Right. The judge is supposed to be interpreting this better and i feel like too often we don't get it we get but maybe maybe maybe it's because there's no real simple answer maybe we're going to learn about the harsh cases and the lax cases maybe the reality is you know there's good judges in the middle who find that middle ground and and and all this right the same thing in san francisco right that they were not arresting you know certain things would be treated misdemeanor stealing from a car you know non-violent right right right and and actually that's a much better

example you look at um you know the the kind of woke element the left right and it's easy it's much easier to become part of the woke crowd and and wave than it is to be like you know kind of larry david out of kirby enthusiasm and be like you know like it's okay for them right because they can go to the apartment building that has a concierge and an underground garage but that small business owner or that you know person who doesn't have you know has to park their car on the street that working class lower income person they're the ones who are suffering the most here it's not the people who are pushing this the most but again i just think there is a political opportunity here that that uh we have to believe will be taken advantage of well i'll tell you who is benefiting the most for one it's these woke absurd politicians who give us mindless

platitudes and ridiculous statements of no more police that'll solve the problem rashida i agree let's get rid of all the police right now. How about we do this? I think your idea was better. Give notice. Let's have every cop in the country say, all right, in 30 days, we won't be working. You know why? Because they're giving a heads up to the criminals as well as the regular citizens. They may as well announce the purge is going to be a real thing because all the criminals

are going to be like, ooh, 30 days. It's on, baby. But I'll tell you who else is making money. These activists who claim to fight for this stuff, they're cashing out. I think a lot of people have seen this story already. This Black Lives Matter leader apparently bought a massive mansion and a bunch of other moderately priced and – well, actually, they're fairly expensive homes. So this Black Lives Matter lady, I guess she has, what, like three homes that are like 400 to 500K? Yeah.

And then one that's 1.4 million? Yeah. That's really good for a Marxist. Multiple properties? Kind of like socialist Bernie Sanders. He's got, what, three homes? Good for him. I'm glad they've been able to successfully capitalize on socialism.

So we have this story from the post-millennial. Black Lives Matter, I guess activist, says story about co-founders. Oh, Black Lives Matter says this. Yeah. Story about co-founders new multi-million dollar home are fueled by white supremacy. I feel so stupid. Yeah. That explains everything.

Right. Marxists are allowed to have multiple properties. One, that's $1.4 million. They're allowed to. That's normal for Marxists. Landlords and property owners and you know i mean but it is in the kind of finest uh in the soviet tradition right you have your your dashes and you have your dachas actually uh and you have your kind of access to

the you know the super highway lane and there's nothing. I mean, it's so obvious for what it is. I think what is, I mean, there you have, right, a great example of just the absurdity of the kind of woke thing, that that is white supremacist, that everything is white supremacist. And it does, it is, I mean, literally we are now living in a, you know,

Curb Your Enthusiasm sketch. And, you know, I actually saw it. It was a few years ago, actually, with Larry David. And he was saying, oh, you know, we do have a lot of conservative viewers watch the show. And he's like, it's kind of interesting. It's like, yeah, well, because reality is becoming that show. You know, it's that ridiculous. I mean, it is interesting, though, that you don't see that many people on the kind of – I guess like Bill Maher does talk about this a bit, the absurdity of it.

But it's kind of funny how the crowd nervously laughs. And the guests – what's more interesting, how these high-profile guests feel more of an impulse to be like, well, Bill – Do you see that lady? Who was that lady? She called Gina Carano a white supremacist or a Nazi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Former senator. Yeah, whoever she was. She was like, well, you know. She's Heidi that lady who was that lady she called gina carano a white supremacist or yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever she was she was like well you know she's heidi heitkamp right yeah yeah and bill maher barely pushed back at all right like i you know if someone said that here i'd be like that's not true you're lying right like no no we're not playing that game

that's not true and it's funny because i say this about enrique tarrio the chairman of the proud boys literally a black dude. And they're like, he's a white supremacist. I'm like, no, he's not. No, he's literally black. And Proud Boys have multiracial. You can criticize the Proud Boys for a lot of things. Just criticize them for the things that are true.

Instead, they lie. And I'm not going to play that game. Bill Maher should have come out and been much more harsh to this woman. He's like, she's not. Is she really? And then he goes, well's like, she's not. Is she really? And then he goes, well, you know, definitions change. Is that it? I also think part of the interesting thing here is, you know,

it's like, you know, this person's a Nazi, whatever. And I find, you know, my British grandfather, my American grandfather was Pacific Marie, still around, 96, which is great. And my British grandfather was a RAF bomber command pilot. And so there's a lot of debate morally, right, bombing German cities. But, you know, you study the Nazis. I studied a lot about amateur Arabic,

but read a lot about them. It is kind of amusing with the American, like, woke left talking Nazi white supremacy because they really haven't read, how many of them have read Mein Kampf? How many of them have engaged seriously with the literature to understand? Because it is a profoundly unpleasant ideology but but simplifying it is not a good idea well hold on i think many of them are in fact familiar with it because as we know james lindsey

helen pluckrose and peter bogosian altered a portion of minecraft into feminist ideology instead and it got published in a scientific journal so they've certainly read some of the uh i i think to be fair there's some heavy criticism of that but the general idea was the intention and the targeting of groups was what they poured it over and then someone accused them like all they did was use the non-proper nouns because the proper nouns were changed and i'm like that's kind of the point yeah like when he's like this group is evil and we're the best and here's our plan and you just change the name of like, that's kind of the point. Like when he's like, this group is evil and we're the best and here's our plan. And you just change the name of the group. That's kind of the point. So these people, look,

they're all about power. The Black Lives Matter organization is basically saying, we don't pay her. She's not getting paid by us. It's fake news. That's not the news. The news is that a prominent Black Lives Matter activist owns multiple homes and a very expensive one. It's not, I guess maybe some people infer or assume that she's making money from black

lives matter i didn't assume that i just thought these people were hypocrites claiming to fight for the common people when actually they're just rich people because i've seen it time and time again al sharpton is the most ludicrous personality i mean it's quite astonishing actually that you know you saw that it's a few years ago that he needs his first class you know seat to go to speaking gigs and he always turns up and then he disappears uh i think michael brown's family were talking about this how they felt they'd been and and it is just i mean the cost of it is just quite quite astonishing right that they have uh we actually had an incident where i live in washington and i don't want to be too specific because it'll seem like i'm using it for my own but but a 19 year old black guy was shot and killed and no one the reaction of people on the street who were very

much you know defund the police signs yeah on that night uh was you know they weren't terribly interested as he was calling for help and and there's more to it that but but there is a lot of um again enter profanity of choice that is really not just pathetic but pretty outrageous in the sense that these are people you know people dying right we should want solutions that mitigate that you know you know what i've been kind of pissed off about i hear this a lot from a lot of conservatives. They'll say, you know, the Black Lives Matter people don't seem to care about, you know, inner city youth or what's going on in Chicago and Chiraq, right? How come they don't protest and demand justice for the black lives in Chicago who are victims of this crime all the time?

I hear that a lot. Now, I've met some people who do focus on that and they're smaller community activists, but definitely the high profile grifters make their quick buck off pushing this institutional racism narrative i got a similar complaint though where the gun rights advocacy groups and conservatives going into the same neighborhoods and providing legal defense for the young black men whose only crime was possession of a firearm which the second amendment says you're allowed to do it no it's a it's a huge good point you know when when uh well i'll just leave it at that without you know getting into rehashing a bunch of old stories i don't know if he's been on the show if not i mean obviously you pick your own guess but show michael singleton uh you know friend of mine uh does a you know a

black gun owner does a tv show about it uh engaged in you know know, some of this stuff. But, you know, so there are, you know, there's actually, that's a very good point. The judicial, at the level of the big, well-funded conservative legal defense,

these things representing religious issues, right? A life that doesn't, you know, you're right. That's a big gap. Yeah. There are a lot of particularly young black men,

but even outside of that, there's a lot of people in this country who get charged with illegal possession of a firearm, and that's it. Now, if they're committing a crime with a gun, okay, fine. I get it. You commit a crime, you commit a crime. I mean like if they're robbing somebody, if they're carjacking or doing something like that or using the gun in the process of a crime.

If someone literally is like, I would like to bear arms, the Constitution says shall not be infringed. I would like to see the NRA. I'm not a big fan of the NRA, so I don't think they would do anything. But I'd like to see more gun rights groups actually be like, we're going to go to Washington, D.C. We're going to go to Chicago. We're going to go to L.A. We're going to go to Compton. We're going to talk to these – we're going to find these young men. We're going to look at that charge sheet where it says illegal possession of a firearm, and we're going to be like, nah, we're going to give you the legal defense because this is not right.

Second Amendment is clear. These guys didn't do anything wrong. It's similar to how I think the left overlooks violent crime in these neighborhoods as well. It's not going to play well. I mean, we got a viral video that's been going on for a while of a woman holding her baby, getting shot and killed, and then lying on top of her baby to protect her from these drive-by shooters. And a lot of conservatives are like, where's Black Lives Matter? Where's the left complaining about this? And I'm like, it's a good point. You know, they scream when there's a cop and an accidental, you know, an accident occurs or a tragedy or, in this instance, negligence.

But they're not screaming when, you know, things go bad in Chicago. They're not screaming about the gang violence. It's just the cops. Now I get it. There's a fair point, too. Cops are in positions of authority. Right. So I understand that. And then there's It's just the cops. Now I get it. There's a fair point, too. Cops are in positions of authority. Right. So I understand that.

And then there's an argument for the conservatives. It's like some of these guys who have these guns are actually in gangs and they have guns for not good reasons. But at the same time,

I'm like, honestly, man, I think we need to have some principle in the matter. If we're for black lives, we're for the gang members as well. And if we're for gun ownership, we're for gang members as well. And if we're for gun ownership, we're for gang members as well. One of the things that I'm surprised and, you know, there may be.

Well, actually, I don't think there is a good reason for it. But why we haven't seen more prosecutions, the FBI, ATF using RICO statutes. So racketeering in the same way that they do against Russian organized crime, Eastern European groups, you know, MS-13, whatever, where actually if you can build up your evident part of, there's less, the economic impact on society is lower in terms of criminal finances. And so the incentive for the FBI is to go after higher value things. But at the moral level and the life level, you would think that would be something

perhaps everyone could get behind. Of course, I'm sure I'm totally delusional about that but you know they're being creative here right it is um surely something we need to do more of um you know because it's it's pretty you know again those mansions yeah i think i got a good you know overlapping non-profit idea that i'm gonna see if i can you know get set up and i'm you know so i've been talking to a few people about this and it's quite literally to find young, young men who are charged with possession of a firearm and that's it. And then, so I think Chicago is a good target for this because I think it'll be, maybe this could be a position where, you know, a lot of the black lives matter people not who are

not too democratic establishment where they're just anti-gun for no reason, But a lot of these actual leftist personalities who believe in Black Lives Matter, I'll be like, how about we get these guys out of jail and help them get their lives fixed because they didn't do anything wrong. They're abiding, they're enjoying their Second Amendment rights. And then I think a lot of the gun owners, libertarians, and even some conservatives might be like, all right, we agree with that as well. So I'm like, maybe that's a good thing where we can be like, hey, we're going to do this thing. Don't yell at us because we're trying to help and make lives better for everybody and and and and in a bed in a lot of those cases right it's going to be well we know uh it's it's that person

carrying that gun because they're in a very high crime neighborhood and they don't want to get robbed i mean it is basic level second amendment stuff right just and i mean yeah it's like very rudimentary just self-defense right right i want to protect myself and that's true for a lot of these guys. Right. I'm from Chicago. I see guys who are like, I'll be damned if I'm going to be a victim to these people, these gangs. I don't want to have anything to do with it, but they want to defend themselves. I will say it would be really funny if we start, you know, we find people withstanding.

You get a young black man. He's got, you know, a 1911 or something, 45, and he gets arrested and charged for it. That's the only crime. The cops stop him. You're under arrest. Felony gun possession. We come in. We say we're going to sue.

And then it starts making its way up the courts. What are the Democrats going to do? What's their argument going to be? We're actually defending the rights of minorities and gunners at the same time. Are they going to come in and say that that black man should be in jail? Oh, I'd love to see him do that. No, I think that black man should not be in jail. I think he has a right to defend himself the same as everybody else.

I heard the Black Panthers were out in Minnesota on Sunday morning, and they were armed to the teeth. And I say, good. Yeah, right. They're allowed to do it. Absolutely. Good American citizens. And nothing happened. Well, not from them.

Right. Other people went out later and started trashing stuff. It wasn't the Panthers. Right. They have a constitutional right to protect themselves and to bear arms. And I think they're good American citizens doing so. Right. Absolutely. Totally agree. I'd like to see it happen. We think they're good American citizens doing so. Right. Absolutely.

Totally agree. I'd like to see it happen. We'll see where we can go with that. Yeah. And again, it's so instrumental, right? That is so... Talk about riots, right? In 2011, at least in riots, you know, as a gunner, you can have a gun in your home and you could at least have relative confidence, relative, that you might be able to protect

your family. You know, in 2011 in London, there were riots over three days, and the police were totally overwhelmed. There was no, you know, if you think about sort of older people, people with health issues, it was anarchy for them. People would come into their homes, you know, take stuff, do whatever, and all that, their only recourse were the cops and more than that the people doing it knew that right yeah here at least there is a moment of pause

you would hope some people obviously there isn't but but you know you're going to walk in and you know good night i'll tell you this you know uh out out in the middle of nowhere and a little bit further west of where we are you You see a no trespassing sign? Yeah, don't get me. Yeah, you're definitely going to obey that no trespassing sign. So I've been out. I was thinking about this. I was driving through West Virginia, and I look at all these houses, and I'm like, you know, if you even thought of robbing this house,

you're going to die. Don't commit crimes. And so, I mean, people are reasonable. They're not not going to randomly shoot a person they see on their property, but they're going to warn you and they're going to be armed to the teeth. Most of the people who live out here, they're armed because cops are few and far between. So it's interesting to me, like I was mentioning earlier, the cost for the activist of getting caught rioting is almost nothing. Their life will not be harmed in any way. And it's really fascinating because destroying property,

burning things down, and literally causing harm to people are very serious crimes. Yet going back to this, I hear these stories of, you know, a 28-year-old dad in Chicago who's scared of gang violence, so he gets an illegal gun.

It's not literally illegal according to the Constitution, but the state says it is. And that's his crime. He gets to go to prison prison he gets to get locked up and have his life ruined because he wants to protect himself from gang violence in a city the city that the police can't control that to me is insane then you have these rioters who go out and destroy everything nothing happens to them it is interesting as well if we think about the left's view on um voter id laws right that it's prohibitive in terms of cost. It disproportionately affects minority communities.

And yet the same principle is not applied to, well, to buy a gun license to go through that room. Well, no, that's okay. That's something completely different. Right, right, right. It is kind of interesting. Yeah, it's amazing. Voter ID is racist because it disenfranchises minorities.

What about when minorities want to go buy a gun? Right. Is gun ID ideas racist? Right. That's a funny thing, too, about this voting stuff when I think it was like David Hogg who said, buying a gun shouldn't be easier than voting. And I was like, are you suggesting that guns should be mailed to everyone's home when they don't ask for it?

Right. Because mail-in bailouts got mailed out to everybody, even if you ask for it or not. Could you imagine if you're like, you turn 18 and they mail you an AR-15? Right. I mean, that'd be awesome. Yes. I'd be like, great! No, that wouldn't be awesome. A lot of dumb people would have... I mean, think about that. A gun and just lying

next to someone's mailbox? Nah, that's not a good idea. We don't want to do that. I get it. Go to a shop, have the weapon properly transferred, be responsible, take it seriously, follow the rules, get safety training and all that stuff, be responsible. But that's just... It's an amazing gap in how they actually view the rights of minorities. It's politically useful to be like, voter ID is wrong.

Okay, well, let's get them all guns. I think the Black Panthers should have guns. Absolutely. I think these people in Chicago and Minnesota, wherever, have a right to have guns. Where are you at, Democrats? Where's Black Lives Matter on this one? We can all fight for this the black panthers showed up in richmond virginia i think it was when the 2a people were all protesting and it's funny how the media tries framing the

second amendment guys as like white supremacists and i'm like they're taking selfies the black panthers smiling right like these people are all very much like libertarian like hey man you get your gun i got mine and we'll high five each other yeah each other i was in texas years ago and i saw a bunch of you know guys look kind of like militia guys standing around at a trump rally with guns and uh a guy showed up wearing a shirt i think it was a black guns matter shirt and it was a tall black dude with a beard and some some you know probably a 5 5 6 8 or 15 of some sort and he walked right up to these right-wing trumpsters and they shook hands started talking talking, laughing with each other. And it's because they had common interests.

They probably didn't agree politically on certain things, but they were very much pro-gun, pro-liberty, pro-each other's rights. And both the white guy and the black guy recognized each other as respecting the rights of the individual. I think that's what we need more of. Let's do this. This is a bit of a hard jump in terms of a segue, but I want to jump

into the story about UFOs, because I know you're an enthusiast. Right, right. Yeah, so we have this story that has actually been going around for a little bit. We've talked about it quite a bit. Pictures and videos show unidentified flying objects moving above U.S. Navy warships. This story was updated just recently the other day, and the reason it's significant, military, U.S. naval ships, national security installations are being spied on, essentially. Something is flying above them, surveilling them, perhaps. They're described as what, tic-tacs?

Well, they're various forms. Tic-tacs, triangles, spheres encased in cubes. And all over the place, you're saying? Yeah, yeah, all over. I mean, the ones that we're looking at that have hit the news in recent years. Hold on, I'm sorry. Spheres encased in cubes? Yeah, that was the 2015 Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group.

One of the pilots described it looked like a sphere encased, nearly hit him. Whoa. And so there are various forms. That's crazy. And this stuff is not, I mean, this is what's, you know, I'm, you know, I do have a kind of eccentric sort of, you know, British sense of humor, whatever. I'm relatively young. As a journalist, I tell people I'm covering this issue because I feel my sourcing on it is very good. It's complementary to kind of writing about Russian and Chinese military activities, research and development.

You know, it would be a very bad idea for me to lean into this subject as I have if I wasn't very, very confident. Because credibility-wise, you become, you know, a loony tune, right? So it is happening uh it's happening near the navy predominantly uh in their workup areas of the east and west coast uh the navy assesses that at least a significant part of the reason it is happening near the carriers and the submarines is because of the nuclear reactors and weapons in some case on those that these things are attracted to it that is top secret um because the the u.s does not want china and russia to figure out how that detection capability comes about because if they did figure that out they could destroy our nuclear deterrent forces yeah so what you're saying that these weird flying things somehow can detect our nuclear

capabilities yes yes and we don't want russia and china to know how to detect our nuclear capabilities. Yes, and that's classified, that assessment. But it's not Russia and China doing this? No, it's not. Tim McMillan, who really, I think, is probably the top journalist on this, at least from the US point of view in the world, debrief, both him and myself, have said it's 99% sure we are,

not simply because of, as we understand it, what China and Russia have in development. And they do have, for example, on hypersonic glide vehicles, which are going to be the new form of delivering nuclear weapons. The Russians are, at least in delivered platforms that are deployed, more advanced than the United States. That's going to change soon. But that's their top-end stuff. This stuff is going hypersonic, but from stop to start, no jet fuel. No sonic boom. No sonic boom in some cases.

Yeah, no sonic boom in most cases. The propulsion vectors, the behavior patterns. So the top lines, intelligently controlled machines because of how they interact, happening since the end of the Second World War. And again, this is just focusing on military credible sources, not, you know, and I think a lot of these witnesses are probably telling the truth. But, you know, you want to go with police officers, people who have a lot to lose by saying, I saw this, or data platforms.

Intelligent and controlled machines, capable transmedium travel, underwater space, lot to lose by saying i saw this or radar data platforms um intelligent control machines capable transmedium travel underwater space um you know through the air and again since the end of the second world war really soon and we we had marco rubio i think recently he said that we like it's a serious threat we should talk about because we don't know who this is and they're flying over our national right and he talks about strategic import he's talking about the nuclear connection there right uh and it you know marco ruby also wants to run president again in the future he's the chair of the senate and tell actually now the vice chair of the senate senate intelligence committee um you know he knows he's seen that he knows this is really a it's not china russia or us something's going on

um i'm going to keep pushing this subject because it's going to be good for my political career and i think he thinks the public should know more is it aliens i think it probably is yes you think it's probably alien i think it is probably a i am almost i'm highly confident it is either aliens or extra dimensional or some or some we're getting crazy no and i really i hey listen that's a big thing to say right um you know it's i i think that will be born now uh in our lifetimes that it's it's it really is something else because if you again it's the sherlock holmes thing right or you know you eliminate the impossible all you're left with it is not us china russia or elon musk and it's machinery and it's intelligently controlled i don't know if there

are people in it or whatever uh and it's been happening since the second world war yeah manhattan project right people google los alamos um little green orbs you know interdimensional dude that's yeah i you know extra dimensional whatever you know i i don't know and then then that is the sort of generous point that it's something other, right? Yeah. But that's the basic. That's why Marco Rubio is leaning into this because they know it's not the Russians and Chinese and they don't – There's a conspiracy theory that once we actually drop the nukes, we basically send a signal. Right. So those who could attack nuclear capabilities were like, what these these these you know creatures doing this

is insane high level of intellect right technical proficiency and they understand how devastating these weapons can be and then there's other conspiracies that they've shut off our nuclear capabilities in the past you've heard those stories yeah robert hastings uh who's become a friend of mine he's the guy who wrote the kind of bible on that ufos and nukes not a terribly original title but the the sourcing is excellent uh And yes, they have, and they've done it to the Russians. What's interesting as well is the Russians and Chinese had these experiences still, nuclear platform sites. And the Russians, being Russians in the Cold War,

tried to shoot these things down a couple of times, and the pilots ended up dying. Whoa. Yeah. So there's a part, I don't know more than that that was actually came out in a declassified british military report i've heard it from you know at least one other source very good so there's a lot more to this subject you ever see stranger things uh no are you familiar with the show you know right so it's like there's the upside down right when i when i think-dimensional, there's one thing I've often wondered.

We have invisible means of data transmission. We use electromagnetic waves of various frequencies to send signals to other devices. And I often wondered, I wonder if what is invisible to us is actually a physical phenomenon in another dimension of sorts that we can't perceive. And so we are actually just completely ignorant of what we're doing, maybe on the other side. So as we broadcast a signal, like a five gigahertz signal to us, nothing happens. We don't see anything. It's not ionizing radiation. But then maybe in this another dimension or the upside down or whatever, it's actually like ripples like pushing through water having a very serious impact on something that might be on the other side yeah so real quick just when we talk about extra dimensional i wonder if then the reason they're detecting the

nuclear uh reactors and energy is because it's having a physical reaction in their dimension or whatever right maybe you know we don't know it's it's a wild wild crazy thought to be to be honest i have no idea there there is you know and you can go back in in in time you look at um you know there was a situation with one of the you know very top top uh roman generals uh i think finding the thracians uh where the testimony of, I forget, the Roman historian, and it's actually on UFO sightings, you know, Wikipedia page, but I went and backtracked. The sourcing is legitimate,

describing what looks like a UFO coming in between two armies. The behavior patterns of some of these things are really interesting and where they appear, you know, there's a school connection point. Schools? Yep, school in Zimbabwe. Ariel School in 1994 is in Zimbabwe.riel school in 1994 zimbabwe all the kids eight year old nine year old kids describing it um some of them saying they saw a being melbourne 1967 it's one in miami why are they appearing at school sometimes those are both saucer type there's a lot

to this it's hard it's easy to go down the rabbit hole uh but uh something very significant is going on i'll tell you something crazy um do you know about the o'hare airport sighting yeah in 2006 yeah it was 2006 are you sure i'm pretty confident 2006 makes sense so uh i worked at o'hare until 2006 and i had friends who worked there i worked worked in the terminal, not the terminal. This was in the United. It was above the United. Above the gate, right? So where I worked was just next to the United terminal.

So I worked for American Eagle Airlines, which is next to American Airlines. And so a bunch of the guys that I had quit, and then this happened, I think, maybe like five or six months after. So I had who were still there and they i and when this happened i was immediately like yo yo what happened what did you see and a bunch of them said they saw it they said that some object came down through the clouds or was was seen floating in the sky for a for a little for a minute or two and then shot straight up and punched a hole in the clouds and they were

told it was a weather phenomenon. Yeah. Now here's where it gets crazy. One of my friends said they were driving to work at the time. Or they were driving on Mannheim Road, which is outside of O'Hare. It's been a long time, mind you. This is, what, 15 years? They were on Mannheim Road, which is one of the major roads that goes up just next to O'Hare Airport.

And they said when this thing came down, people stopped their cars and got out and were staring up at it. And I was told that people were taking pictures. Early camera phones existed at the time. And so I was like, where's all that, all those photos at? Now, there was one photo that got released. The pilot was in the plane and he turned and took and there's this grainy, you know, crappy photo.

But from what I heard heard and maybe it's just exaggerations and hearsay and it was wrong i had someone tell me straight up they saw people taking pictures of it right where'd those pictures go no we didn't have the internet we didn't have facebook the way we do so maybe it's just sitting on these old you know flip phones from 2006 that never got put online i've heard the same thing um interesting that the descriptions there were a you know it tends to be now tic-tacs, triangles, whether that's multiple or originating vectors, multiple things.

But it's a very good point. I also think, though, people ask, why do we not have more photos now, right? With iPhones, such good quality, whatever phone you have. I think that is going to be these things when they're seen are either willing to be seen or want to be seen. There are photos of them.

But there aren't as many as we might expect. I think the issue is, let me put it this way. I once looked up at the sky and the moon looked amazing. And I was just looking at the corona and the color. It was like a blood moon with this massive corona. And it was a full moon. And I was like, wow, let me take a picture of this. I put my camera at it and it's a white dot on the screen. And I'm like, I cannot capture

this moment on a phone. Right. I have seen weird things in the sky before that look like there's a tail coming off. And I'm like, was it a comet or a meteorite? And I put my camera at it and you lose all the definition. And all it is is a red dot with a, with a grainy blue background. And I'm like, damn, I can't take a picture of this. I think people overestimate the power of cell phone cameras with long-range, low-resolution photographs. So I guess people are expecting the saucer to land in their backyard and then to get a higher-resolution photo.

They're not doing that. They've never done that. So one thing, though, that hopefully you obviously mentioned, Jeremy Corbell's photos. There were some other ones that I had that, you know, happened similar. Well, actually, you know, slightly different time. One thing that myself and Tim McMillan reported on last December is in December 2019 or thereabouts, now the pilots in the F-18s, right, from the carrier groups have their iPhones.

They took, one air crew took a photo of a triangle, which we've seen David Marlis coming out the water. And that photo, I have not seen it. I know it exists, you know, multiple sources. And when that photo comes out, i think that will be a really pretty pivotal moment because it will be from an air crew there'll be a lot chain of custody uh and you know when you see that thing and then when they match up the sensor data with anyway these jeremy corbell photos the ones are talking about the naval warships they're white they're white

specs you can't even yeah i mean you see one of them looks like a pyramid. I mean, the Navy were tracking them, though, and they did identify them as unknown. It was talked about multiple days, multiple ships. And the Navy really has an incentive to not want to talk about this stuff. Susan Goff, who leads the press effort at the Pentagon, everything goes through her. I reached out to her today about actually kind of Jeremy Corbell stuff

through NCIS goes back to her very tightly controlled i don't think it's so much that they're trying to conceal alien bodies in the basement i think they really don't they don't know how to handle the issue and it keeps happening and it's escalating so this this is not going away and again journalistically i think it will do a lot of favors for my career that i've lent into it you said uh it's 99 likely that it's not uh russian chinese or american where'd you get that number that that's my that's my uh assessment but i think it's uh i'm very confident that is the assessment shared by oni uh office of naval intelligence which leads the investigative effort i personally i feel like it's more likely that the Navy's lying than that extraterrestrials are arrived just mathematically, if likelihood guess.

I think you have to trust, again, your sources. You have to look at deliberate platforms that are in place. And again, looking at the historic, certainly with the triangles, the way these things behave, non-jet propulsion, transmedium travel, hypersonic instantaneous acceleration, which would rip a human body apart, lest you have some kind of envelope. Inertial dampeners. Exactly. The space-time bubble, potentially, which might be the things on the side of the triangle. Maybe not. But I think probably is. And again, that's not me saying that.

The port and the starboard nacelles. Right. But it is steady. But the capabilities across the board, multiple points, right? That hypersonic, non-jet propulsion, transmedium. That stuff is so far. We don't have any of that. Well, you could think it could be plasma, like a cloud of plasma being directed around

We have debris. Surface plasma. debris metallic debris imagine someone could be a metamaterial yeah imagine someone in the 1800s trying to explain a jet engine and they'd be trying to use their understanding of science to explain futuristic technology they wouldn't be thinking about these combustion engines in the same way. Or more importantly, when we talk about electricity, and then you go back and try and explain it to someone in the pre-electricity, they're not going to understand the concept of how this works. And so they're going to try and use their perspective on science. You end up with ideas like the ether. You know what I mean? They don't quite – they can't conceptualize this stuff.

What debris did they find uh so the debris in terms of uh metamaterial i don't know the i know the u.s government has it i've heard that from uh two extremely good sources extremely good verified you know um that it is from a crash location, identified something went down, recovered, and the material analysis of it. There's a lot of different elements of metamaterial that people say are from UFOs or UAPs. The U.S. government stuff,

there's, again, chain of custody from sighting crash, whatever, that because of the metallurgy or the the binding of the metals within it uh it would be impossible to do with our understanding of um manufacturing uh and that it would require at least you know one very good source told me uh again and these are government people right this is not some you know this is not researchers who I think there are some great researchers, but I'm trying to be very careful here about being able to have a governmental link to what I'm saying, that you could not produce it were you not in a zero-gravity environment, so space. And so this is something that other people have talked about.

They say, you they say metal analysis. But again, when you've got the radar returns, the ICBM satellites that we, in case China decides to nuke us in the middle of the night, that we can track it. You've got this stuff coming into orbit. You've got the nuclear attack submarines catching it underwater at hundreds of knots.

Got it in the air. You've got the pilots seeing it. You've got infrared. You have, you know, just a gamut of sensor data matched up, at least in limited circumstances, to, you know, metallurgical analysis. You know, this is really something going on here and again it it's better actually though to say right to who the hell is tom rogan you know the marco rubio the people are leaning into this um you know it's it's something is going on and yeah and and and that's and and you know time will tell i mean i do that that metallurgical analysis right that that is very

hard to as someone told me avoid the physics just just just kind of you know uh focus on it's really interesting and and here's what we know it's a but it's the seal has been broken now that right and and so it seems like there are no physics when it comes to the metal like i have no evidence of metallurgy for you to to see yeah right and the government is known lying to us like weapons of mass destruction yeah well i mean i i don't intelligence failure um you know could explain some of this but but again when you have the cross-section i appreciate i spot well i do appreciate the fact that it's you know i'm saying right there's what's, this is my reporting.

But, you know, I could be a liar and I could be being misled. Just trying to sell a book about aliens. I think Bob Lazar was misled. No, I'm not writing about it. Yeah, I don't know. When he was told about Zeta Reticuli. I don't believe Bob. I actually personally don't believe him. Yeah, I don't believe him.

I think he saw the craft that they were working on, the drones. But then they told him they were aliens. He said he saw Little Green Man. Yeah, they might have had. Oh, it was a puppet that guy has a track that you got to be you know you got to talk to people who who have the credentials and that's what i've tried to focus on um like what with lazar it seems like he was working on a drone program and that they told him it was aliens to throw so that he didn't go and spew like the government's working on drones. Zeta Reticuli? It's nonsense.

So he went out and told everyone that, and now he looks like he's crazy. It doesn't mean that they weren't working on a drone program. I mean they raided Tesla's laboratory in the 20s. I just think that guy lacks credibility. He did work there. Sure, sure, sure. That's fine. But his story's changed, and I'm not interested in someone telling a story

and being all smiley and confident about it and then coming out 20, 30 years later and 20 30 years later be like oh actually that wasn't true because back then it was sensational got him on tv today no one believes it so he takes that part out of his story he said he saw little green men yeah and they took that out i was a puppet shut up i would say as well that i mean hope i i think my reporting will stand uh on the, but I would say a basic place to start, Robert Hastings UFOs and Nukes and David Mahler Triangle UFOs. Those are two very good, serious people who are just keeping it to eyewitnesses who have credibility and doing their due diligence. And it's fun. It's fun stuff to learn about. I believe there are things.

Maybe we'll actually get to the point where we will discover what it is or it'll be unveiled to the public. I think we're going to discover a lot more in the coming years. I think for sure it's something,

but I just don't... I don't see aliens. I mean, I have no evidence even, remote evidence of aliens. Well, let's see what the audience thinks over in the Super Chats. If you haven't already,

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We got Georgiev. He says, hello, guys, and subscribe to TimCast.com. Keep up the good work. Also, why not make a show where Adam is a guest? It would be fun to see you guys together for one show again at Cheers from East Europe. Perhaps there are some ideas floating around. We'll see how things roll. But we do have a plan for Friday night special episodes

that we'll see what happens. But we're getting the venue set up. We're going to have shows. And maybe there is something that unique will happen on Fridays. All right, let's see. Ulysses says, Tim, can you explain why Veritas hasn't been canceled yet? It makes no sense to me because they're bucking the narrative and exposing lies, but are still being allowed to produce content.

They got banned from Twitter not that long ago. So they're certainly trying, but Veritas is on the level. They want to claim they're deceptive and all that. And James O'Keefe comes out with the very accurate point. He just produces videos of people with their mouth moving. If their mouth isn't moving, he doesn't produce the content. And he's correct. There's a lot of footage.

There's some where you can't see their mouth move. I get you get his point. The point is he has videos of people saying things. You want to say it's deceptively edited or whatever. Sorry, man. You're going to have to do better than that because other news organizations do much worse. They say we have an anonymous source. We won't reveal to you. Just us this is what they said at least with james o'keefe you can see

somebody saying it that's a hundred times more credible than our anonymous source said but they're trying to cancel them all right common cure says small towns are the future here here all right let's see where are we at? Julie Ann says, would love if you could have Drew Hernandez on. Founder of Lives Matter Independent Investigative Journalist. Was just at border about to go to Minneapolis. We have had Drew on the show. Multiple times. Multiple times.

Yes. Yes. Drew's great. He's great. I love him. All right. Good worker. Brett Morgan says, Tim, I want to start a Virginia chapter of TimCast independent journalists.

They and you can message me at thecaptain251 on Twitter. It is TimCast, the independent media broadcast. There you go. VGK Stone says, sup, gang? Watch a show every night? Love it. Ian, have you heard of the story up in Quebec, Canada right now with graphene in the blue surgical masks health canada put out a recall on blue surgical masks yeah someone sent me a message about that i didn't read into it though interesting really i laughed when i read

it that's crazy opossum says i fear no matter what comes out people will never wake up i have three close friends and i send them things disproving the corporate narrative and they still don't see it. They say, willful ignorance. Yep. That's the problem. Alright, let's see where we're at. Matt Daniel says, yo Tim, I got into crypto after hearing you talk about it during the GameStop

stock thing in January. I invested in Doge and it's gone up like 900% now. What's Doge at? I didn't look today today i'll check it out bitcoins at 63 000 yeah ethereum too what's ethereum at uh 2300 or something wow remember we had bill on the show and he was like you should he was like ethereum sounds like it's a good idea not financial advice yes and then i was like okay buy some. Crypto sounds like a good idea. I'm very happy about that. Not financial advice. Tell me what Doge is. Doge is at 10 cents.

11 cents. 11 cents. Wasn't it at like 4 cents? It was.0000004 cents like last year or something. I don't know. Yeah, it was at 4 cents. Imagine being a Dogecoin millionaire. You know, I made my first million in Dogecoin.

The name is befitting. Yes. A millionaire status. Yes. Ronald Asherov says, Brian Stelter has been demoted to making Tucker Carlson reaction videos. True, though. Yeah, that's true.

That's unfortunately. OMG Puppy says, Moore's suppressed Planet of the Humans is interesting look at corruption of green energy industry. Biomass power plants burn trees. Showcase solar farms are abandoned ruins. Mining and fossil fuel use behind all green tech. Interesting. All right.

Let's see what we got. Josh L says, can Substack become YouTube for writing? Well, the issue is the difference between Substack and YouTube in general is that YouTube has advertising propping it up. So if you're on YouTube, ads run on the content. You make money. You've also got super chats and things like that for live streams. But the membership function for YouTube is not that great. Substack is very different, and they're actually writing checks to people to get them to come over.

So it won't be the YouTube of writing. I think Medium tried to do that and it wasn't as effective. The thing about Substack is they found a way to create a career for people out of it. So it's more like Patreon with a focus on writing.

I should clarify, Doge was 0.002 cents a year ago. So it is appreciated 50 times in the last year. Wow. Impressive. All right, let's see. Zermis Playground says, Amazon can't even go a month

without becoming more totalitarian. They forced facial recognition login. Then they installed cameras that watch everything you do and will even text your boss if you yawn. Now there's a wrong think policy we have to sign.

Wow. What? Is that true? Geez. If you yawn, your boss gets a text about it? Where is that at? At Amazon? Jeez. That's crazy.

Well, I'll tell you this. If it were me, I would quit. Yep. I'd rather just live under a tree in the middle of the woods and go fishing down by the river. I don't know, man. I feel for people that need money right now. What do you need money for? Family, I guess.

Food, rent, family, feed your kids. Plenty of fish in the sea. Pay for your house. What did our ancestors do? Did they go like, rats, I need money. Killed a bunch of Native Americans. Or did they just go like, I'm going to kill a deer and eat it. Feed my family. They could catch it, yeah. They could. Sometimes. There aren't many deer in the

inner cities. There was a lot of starvation back then. That's the problem, man. Don't live in these cities. You come out in the middle of nowhere and the deer are a problem it is they're pests that's the beautiful out here as well yeah yeah i've got a lot of the people at the gun shop they're like you have a deer a lot of deer in your property i'm like oh tons and they're like we can deal with them for you i'm like they don't bother me because we they're not destroying any of our crops like that but for a lot of people that is a problem when they have like fruit trees and the deer come and just tear it all up and stuff like that and there's too many of them so hunting is literally

because there's too many deer you got to keep the numbers in check interestingly though i i was reading once about how they reintroduce wolves to like the yellowstone area and the wolves keep the numbers in check and restore balance it was really interesting we need some hunting of foxes in london yeah our pet tortoise was killed by a fox one that's terrible richard cook says tom the bbc news app slants every story with race baiting style commentary they do report facts but in an asymmetric way leaving out the race of an alleged criminal when they are not white it's not good not perfect but you know i think it's it's a pretty good place i think you you made the good point you've got you've got to read around exactly you can't just

you can't go to look i'll tell you this you go to the bbc read an article you need to fact check what you're reading you know and i and i do think you know and i'm sure hopefully it will be replicated so there's more competition but one good thing where google really does deserve a positive shout out is the google translate because going Because going on, you could go on Kommersant, you know, a Russian newspaper, you know, just hitting that button, maybe it's not going to be entirely accurate, but it gives you an idea of foreign media.

Do you know about BBC Pigeon? No. A lot of people are surprised to find this. Pigeon is, I think it's like West African phonetic English. Yeah, so it's like phonetic, I guess, what do they call it? Ebonic English? Yes.

Right. And a lot of people read it thinking it's a different language, and then they realize it's actually English. Right. But it's just crazy. Pigeon English. It's so weird. Yeah, pigeon English.

It's really interesting. Yeah. But like the BBC, it's like a funded newsroom writing this style. It's interesting. Crazy. All right. Nevitz WC says, I see you want to get into entertainment like movies and television. Would you ever consider getting into graphic novels?

I'm writing one because of my beliefs. I don't want it published by The Woke. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know who's amazing is, oh man, I'm forgetting the name of his books are right downstairs.

George? Junji Ito. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have, like, tons of Junji Ito graphic novel, manga, horror stuff. Crazy. Really creepy. Some of the best horror I've ever read. It was twisting my mind to try and read through those.

What was it, Maki? It was twisting your mind? Yeah, it was rough. It's amazing. I was a different person when I finished that first yeah dude brilliant brilliant stuff dixie normus says ha ha tim why are you hating on wandavision so much elizabeth olsen is my queen because this like the first three episodes are trash they're not even real it's not even a real show just waste our time and then the next several episodes are okay but she's the bad guy i thought it was going

to be revealed that she was being manipulated i thought it was going to be revealed that she was being manipulated. I thought it was going to be like, oh, it turns out she was being manipulated to do all this. Oh, no, she's just evil. She's literally just torturing people who beg for death. She's the bad guy. How is Agatha supposed to be the bad guy when she's like, how are you doing this? I want your power. I'm like, okay, if there was someone who was torturing thousands of people and you said,

I want to take away your ability to torture them I guess she wanted it for herself that's still kind of bad but you know what did you think of the Witcher I didn't watch it

I didn't see it I'll tell you what I thought about it I turned it on watched a few minutes and then turned it off okay alright we'll leave that there

yeah I'm not trying to say it was a bad show I'm saying I just couldn't get it I'll be honest. I did the same thing with the video game. I played the first 15 minutes, and then I was like,

I hear it's amazing, and I just can't get through. Me too. I played the first one. I put it down, picked up the second one. I was like, I should beat the first one first. I put it down, picked up the third one, played it for like 20 hours, but I barely scratched the surface. Red Dead Redemption 2.

I'm going to get on that. It's good. My brother knows that I like that. It's cool that you can experience like an old west town, like southern, like Louisiana in the 1850s. And it's almost like a VR reality where you get to be there and see the sound, hear the sounds and see it. That's cool. Richard Cook just followed up. He said, you missed my point.

I can easily surf around for the truth. However, the masses will not do that. This is what deranges the population. No, I agree. That's basically the point I was saying. Yet a discerning individual, someone who's politically initiated, will know how to spot the pitfalls. Media literacy. We know how to spot the pitfalls when we're reading a story and we see the slant and the bias.

How do we solve for the fact that these organizations don't do that? Education. Yeah, really. It can happen. Cody Moons has been watching since the first time I saw you on Crowder. Keep up the good work. Hey, you appreciate it. Infinity Flair says, great take, Tim.

I live in Seattle and wish the police would take up your suggestion. Let the enlightened left put their own lives on the line. I just, could you imagine what would happen? I like your idea idea the cops give notice all right everybody in in 14 days we will officially resign all at once you give it a week word travels around and then people are going to be no no no no there's gonna be like flowers and fruit baskets and chocolates being mailed to the cops it's also interesting i was thinking about this that that the way we describe that i bet you know if it was sort of going to be reported you know in left-wing media they would say that

it was we were calling for you know the police we should go back to the days where the police could just do whatever they wanted no accountability what we're actually just suggesting is just accountable policing but like the the balance of law being you know predicated on on you know the innocent until proven guilty being treated fairly they say you know and we and we have uh people who are just spoiled they're so used to the cops actually dealing with a lot of this crime and dealing with let me slow down my dad was a firefighter and he said son you never want to be a cop they work awful hours and man is it a skate is like a miserable job everybody you see the worst of people every single day you're in your car and you get a call some nasty person's doing something nasty and you got to deal

with this every single day people think like the cops spend most of their day what like writing tickets a lot of cops spend a lot of their days in these cities dealing with violent deranged individuals who won't listen are breaking the law. It's a nasty job. Domestic violence. And now a lot of people are just accustomed to the ease that, you know, the police are a deterrent in many ways. And so when crime happens, they don't see it. They know that they don't need to have guns at their house because the cops are just a phone call away. Well, what happens when the cops are like, all right, you won't support us.

That's fine. We'll leave. Call 911. Yeah. Well, I love it when the guy fell off the building. Call 911. The anti-police activists who get hurt and then go, help, call the police. I feel for EMS, man, because if the cops resign and we rely on everyone, call 911.

It's going to be. Do you see the video? There's a video of these antifa people leaving a riot and they're crossing a bridge when they like throw something at a car and then the guy like jumps out and he's armed or something and they're like they're like call the police oh yeah i i would love to see that cop walk out and be like you guys are upset nah you're good you don't need me right you want i got fired i out later. It's like there's that that moment in the novel when finally the police are gone and all the protesters realize that the totalitarian military dictatorship that took the place of the police that's abusing, beating and murdering them, that it's not that good. And like that, you feel like good.

Now they're getting just desserts now they're getting killed by the corrupt like and like you want to see them suffer for their idiocy but i don't want that in society because we'll be left with a military dictatorship they're they're not i said in a it would be only a few days before they're begging the police and the police are right there saying okay okay we're here that's why I said his idea was better. Putting a notice out saying in 30 days we're done. You will see how quickly people immediately like, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We take it back. We take it back. We don't want to abolish the police. They abolish the police in Minneapolis and then panicked as phone calls started coming in saying there's crime. No one's stopping it. The police won't respond anymore.

It was it was panic. It was chaos. Crime was skyrocketing. If the police won't respond anymore right it was it was panic it was chaos crime was skyrocketing if the police just said okay we've heard from the activists the mayors are mad at us the politicians are scapegoating us the democrats hate our guts we're gonna we're out it's all you guys we're gonna go be firefighters or we're gonna go work construction or something the residents of these cities trump i'll tell you this if every cop in minneapolis resigned the moment their their you know third person or whatever burnt to the ground i bet trump would have won minnesota right right if the police said i watched that video of the cops running out of the police precinct as it's being burnt to the ground as people one guy stole a bunch of police gear and these cops some many of them quit like in general, much of them just stayed and then said, we know that we're

being abused by our own government. We know that many of the people in the city refuse to defend us or stand up for us, but don't worry. We're not going anywhere. That's crazy to me. If they said, you get what you ask for. The people have now voted for this. Minnesota was blue, right? It voted for a Democrat. Okay. The police have now understood not only do people not support them, but they actually vote in the same people who smear, sacrifice, or just try and scapegoat them. And they're still there. That's amazing. amazing that's amazing to me i kind of feel like hey at a certain point when someone says we don't want you here do you get do you get the hint maybe you should just go if the cops stood up last year what's happening today wouldn't be happening

these rides wouldn't be happening it's a wonderful life all right we got w cash says i'm a follower of the daily wire and timcast found out about about you from the Joe Rogan Twitter podcast. So glad I did. When can one of the Daily Wire hosts join your podcast? I'd love the range of ideas. That's a great question. Yeah. I'm really curious when we might be able to do that.

I don't know the exact date, though. I do. Is it soon? It's the 23rd. Oh, really? Yeah, it is. Oh, that's really soon. Coming up, man. That's going to be great. I'm stoked,. Oh, really? Yeah, it is. Oh, that's really soon. Coming up, man.

That's going to be great. I'm stoked, and you guys don't know who it is. Everyone's going to just say it's Ben Shapiro. Oh, no. All right. Libertatum says, Cops enforce unconstitutional laws politicians push. If they don't uphold their oath to the Constitution,

they must be removed and should be held liable, just as medical are to the Hippocratic Oath. I think if a politician says, Officer, violate the Constitution, the officer should say, I can't do that. I was told not to do that. That's what it is in the military. It's an unlawful order.

It's a duty to disobey. Right. Yeah, what if we have states pass laws saying that if a police officer acts against the Constitution, that's a criminal charge? Make a statutory law a criminal offense, a misdemeanor, for constitutional violation. Yeah, I mean,

you're going to have to develop case law, though, so the police know how to operate in high-stress, time-sensitive environments, right? Yeah. I mean, I take your point.

I mean, that still exists, right? There's civil rights violations the FBI can investigate, but perhaps the balance of investigative interest is not where it should be seth shoemake says looks like y'all are on track to hit a million before the weekend thank you for being instrumental in turning the tide a special thanks to ian for being the show's protagonist see the rlm definition what does that mean rlm thanks dude sergeant wolf says it's

events like this with dante right that make me want to be a cop, but it's also what make me never want to be a cop. I want to help my community, but how can I do that if I'm going to be targeted or tar and feathered for it? It's just really simple. If you have a community and a large portion, not the majority, but a large portion, I guess the plurality is saying down with cops. Cops are bad.

The next larger group just says we don't care we don't care about you at all okay well then the vote is in abstained cops are bad there you go stop supporting those people the civic nationalist says from one brit to another bet the weather ain't balls across the pond but the bobbies need better training also try to give the yanks some bants but you can leave it to the uh to the members bit god save the queen long live britain do you understand any of that yeah speaking that i think i was speaking britain yeah guidance says tim federalizing the police is a terrible outcome and the desired one if the police are no longer accountable to their local

governments and communities i agree with that the challenge is there are periods in which the federal government intervenes when people's rights aren't being upheld. When extremists are burning down people's property and your local government is laughing in your face, refusing to do anything and supporting the extremists, that's when the federal government is supposed to come in to protect your rights. So when the federal government deputized the state police, it was in protection of the rights of those who live there, not in oppression. Yeah, not oppression.

There was no usurpation involved, as far as I can tell. All right. Noah Poe says, my uncle got the Johnson & Johnson vaccine just some days ago. He had a stroke due to blockage. He has no history of blood issues. It's kind of eye-opening when something perceived as rare happens to someone you know personally. Was that registered as one of the cases?

Because you said uncle, and according to the news, it was only women. I believe it was, what, eight women or something? Mostly, yeah, five or six women, I think. Oh, okay, so maybe that was none. I don't know. Emily Mower says, look it up, Tim. You don't know what you're talking about. European Union equals confederal. United States equals federal. History of books are written by the victors. emily mower says look it up tim you don't know what you're talking about european union equals

confederal united states equals federal history books are written by the victors okay oh i see many yeah i get it raz grizz says i'm willing to compromise with rashida talib we can get rid of policing starting with the atf the history of gun control is unironically a history of discrimination against freed slaves and other minorities. Agreed? Seconded. Moving on. No, I absolutely agree.

Yeah, I don't really understand why that and the positive things that they do, which there are, I would say, you know, explosive, you know, terrorist groups. Why that can't be enveloped into the FBI? Yeah. Break up the ATF. Break it apart. Alcohol and firearms. You see that they're selling plush dogs. The ATF announced their new store is up. Inter-doc responses.

And then there's like a picture of like a shirt and then like a plush dog. And I was going to tweet a joke about it, but I was like, it's too dark. Too dark. DHS is a big waste of money as well. I'm with you, man. In what way?

Bureaucracy. It creates another... Bureaucracy. It slows down the process. The counterterrorism stuff they do, which is the sort of raison d'etre, is not well regarded in the intelligence community. But are you saying like bring all these departments under one, like have it run by the FBI? I mean, honestly, DHS, you could get rid of a lot of it because it's just replicating. It's like the director of national intelligence.

You're replicating things and the idea that it's going to make you know but ice is part of ice and cbp are dhs okay so no so just have them without this you know the superstructure of the dhs right have them as they were before dhs which was what 2003 doesn't it doesn't it actually bring it all under one umbrella and easier to control when the departments are part of one agency instead of i don't think so and i think it creates you you creating a management structure that goes above and beyond you know ice doesn't simply it doesn't you know decision making is slowed down because you can't you've got to keep going up and up and you put the higher you go the more political it becomes sometimes you want these things just to be left to do to their own devices unless they screw up this is a lot of what what we heard from the squad to get rid of DHS and then pull these agencies out of them.

Yeah. I mean, honestly. Secret service. If you have ice functioning more independently, they could probably move more quickly, like you were saying. Right. All right. Let's see. Jason Dixon says Doge broke 10 cents.

Diamond hands to the moon. There you go. All right. all right let's see jason dixon says doge broke 10 cents diamond hands to the moon all right jp mcglone says tim i'll stand up with you let's go all right let's stand up all right everybody stand up i'm kidding okay okay we're standing everyone no more chairs on the team show stran says tim stop being lazy you have a dev team and a super chat problem if biden dislikes can be tracked you can have the super chats tracked and logged with your own program what does that reference to i don't know you have a dev super chat problem we do oh we can't get to all of them i don't know i mean there's not enough time in the day to read every single super chat is that the issue i entreat you to flesh out that comment because i want to know what you're talking about yeah the god bill says

tim talking about standing up and doing something as he ignores the war that is gme and amc and tim did nothing i did several segments on gamestop stonks and we talked about quite a bit yeah a lot we actually built a shirt uh yeah i literally have the diamond hands gorilla shirt that we've been constantly talking about gamestop it's right there yeah it's a misprint it's a misprint the ink's funny that we keep showing the misprint on the show. But it's a gorilla holding cash because, you know, apes together strong.

I guess we did nothing, but we're good capitalists who made money on it. There you go. You're welcome. Troy Dingman says, instead of cash bail, why don't they let off these nonviolent crimes with an ankle bracelet so they can track their movements and if they get caught then you hold them that's that's what i was saying right it's like okay we're not going to hold you but you get an ankle bracelet and then

you have a conditional release there you go i mean but yeah i mean if you're sort of breaking into a car stuff that you should be you know bail uh but doesn't mean you know you shouldn't face judicial consequences this is why body cameras are important right you know why because when this guy gets Bail, but doesn't mean you shouldn't face judicial consequences. This is why body cameras are important. You know why? Because when this guy gets caught again on camera with a Slim Jim in a car, the cop can be like, I'm literally filming you do this. You're not going to get bailed out this time.

Exactly. And good cops, that's why good cops like those cameras. Yes. Right. And the reason they don't, if you talk to them, is they're worried that when they're in the car, I mean like that. Can like that you know speak do you see that video of the cop planting drugs yes he thought he was turning his camera off but he turned it on yes and then he planted drugs dude that was florida i think wasn't it i don't know i think so yeah that's scary stuff man what do you do you wonder how much that's happened before you know that happens a lot

happens a lot what do you do when you're like minding your own business and the cop walks up to you and says look what i found a cop that thinks the ends justify the means is terrifying they're just evil people who want to get the career marks and make money yeah that's crazy yeah people not they're bad people you know what i mean and that's why i think as well we need we do need to hire more uh public defenders you know because if if that happens perhaps to one of us you know we might have the money to to go and get a lawyer and and to create public attention but if you're some kid who's has no money public defender does not have enough time because then the cops can say hey plea it down to misdemeanor or what it take it because i do not i got to go and work on 50 other cases

today yeah yeah sonny james, so tired of manufactured outrage. Is this what happens when a service economy dies? Like open borders, people arguing for a two-state solution in Israel or green passports. My mind can no longer vomit the hypocrisy up no more.

This was something Tucker Carlson covered. Tucker Carlson did this big segment where he said, demographic change is a democratic strategy to win votes. And he's basically saying when immigrants come in, they're more likely to vote Democrat. And that means places like California, which were reliably Republican until 1988, became Democrat from 92 on.

And it's because they brought in more and more immigrants. And Ronald Reagan was the one who signed it. He got called the white nationalist. All these journalists are like, he's clearly just the white nationalist even though tucker carlson literally said black americans are the most negatively impacted by the displacement the loss of jobs and immigration it's it's the propaganda but we saw in 2020 actually his hispanic vote is going much more for trump than was anticipated probably because of this too but the the the interesting point that that Tucker ends up bringing up

is that the Anti-Defamation League themselves argue against the same thing for the same... They basically... You could take what the Anti-Defamation League said and claim it came from Tucker Carlson and you'd be like, I believe it. Because they were like, Israel should not allow Palestinians

to come into their borders because it would displace the ethnic Jews from their state. And it's like, okay. And then they accused that they demanded Tucker Carlson quit or be fired for being a white nationalist when it's like, he just repeated what you guys said about Israel. So it's clearly just an illegitimate argument. All right, let's see where we're at. Rain Miller says, Tim, I would love to hear you weigh on China flying 25 warplanes over Taiwan. There are serious issues in Europe right now, too. War with Russia and China under Biden is much more likely than before.

We will talk about that in the bonus segment coming up because you're also a foreign policy guy. Right. So we have a lot to talk about with China, too. All right, let's see what we got. We will handle a few more of these super chats. And Chris Rohrbach says, Ian, what are your thoughts on Dogecoin? Well, it's kind of a comedy coin, but Lex Freeman and Elon Musk love it and tweet about it nonstop. So I imagine it's a I'm not much of a financial advisor, but, you know, the popular coins tend to go up in value.

Waffle Sensei says, Tim, if you coordinated to help start a legal defense group for inner inner city black gun ownership the minds of these double thinkers would explode a rip and rip a tear in the multiverse let's effin let's let's f get to it i'm not kidding get some more ufos then i'm absolutely serious so no i think it's a good idea i've reached out to some people well my issue for first is like i don't want to only be racially targeted. I don't want it to be like, oh, we're going to help inner city black youth about their guns. I think it's just about people in cities whose only crime was possession of a firearm and defending them. But I do think starting in Chicago would be very important because, like I said, I know people who are good people, good family people, and they're like, what am I supposed to do?

And they're so prohibitive there. And the law abiding citizens are like, OK, I won't get a gun. And the gangs come out, shoot up houses, drive bys, not even all gangs. A lot of people are just reckless. And so we want to defend the people with the right to keep in bare arms. And that means even in their own home. But the idea that they have to go through these laws or whatever, I think it would be fun to defend them. And it'll be really, really fascinating to see how the Democratic politicians of Chicago handle defending this guy.

We're going to take people. We're going to be like, here's a guy who works construction. He's got two kids. He's in his late 20s. He has a wife. He's trying his hardest to raise them right. And he decided to protect himself because of the high gun crime in the city by getting himself a gun.

The Constitution says he can. We're going to defend him all the way. No, no, this man should be in prison. His kids should go without a father. I'd love to see him say that. No, I think we'd actually help a lot of people. I think the political pressure would result in a lot of these people

having their charges dropped. I don't know if the NRA does that. I've heard stories where the NRA does in some cases, but typically it's like suburban women. Those are the stories I end up hearing. So I'm dead serious about that. We'll see what we can end up pulling off. All right, let's see. Let's take this one. We'll take one more. Roy Cantor says, Tim, I've been watching some older vids. When your ideology began to shift and the left started to turn on you, how did it make you feel? And did you ever think about calling it quits? What made

you decide to keep going? I don't think that my ideology shifted enough to where I ever actually cared about what they thought. When I worked for Vice, Vice was a very libertarian place. When I worked for Fusion, they claimed they were trying to be, and then they got woke. I remember I made a video about why it was wrong to have, it was like Harvard did a black-only graduation, and I was like, it's segregation. I don't like it. And a bunch of people at Fusion got angry that I said this, and they were complaining about it.

And I'm like, why? Do you want to segregate the races? Apparently they did. So my positions have always been, for the most part, in a similar place. Now, there are some things I've, like 2A for sure, I'm very, very pro-gun these days. But the true left,, very pro-gun these days. So, you know that. But the true left, they're pro-gun. The authoritarian left is pro-gun because they needed to stage the revolution to install

their utopian communist division. And the libertarian left is pro-gun because they want to tear down the system. And the libertarian right is pro-gun because Second Amendment, Constitution, free markets and all that stuff. The authoritarian right is anti-gun because Second Amendment, Constitution, free markets and all that stuff. The authoritarian right is anti-gun. That's interesting. Well, maybe not every authoritarian right.

It's like the center right authoritarian spectrum of where the Democrats are. They hate guns. I don't want you to have them. All right, my friends. We're going to have a bonus segment. The members-only exclusive segment coming up at TimCast.com. So go there. Become a member. Smash that like button. And subscribe to this show and tell your friends about it because we're about to break 1 million subscribers.

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This is great. Right on. I agree, man. And I only wish we could have talked more about UFOs and U uaps because that was i was jazzed but that's that's coming up in the members only section and i would say just as a concluding comment though on that you know a lot of that stuff right is stuff um you know to work on and produce and bring out um flesh out more so you know hopefully hopefully people won't you know just think why is this guy just mouthing off all this stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no you're right

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