Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #271 - Chauvin Juror ADMITS She Feared BLM Riots And Retaliation w/Michael Knowles

Episode Date: April 24, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join Daily Wire contributor, podcaster, and author Michael Knowles to discuss the alternate juror in the case of the Chauvin trial who was clearly intimidated by the mob, the nature of liberty and licentiousness, Americans who oppose the diversity quotas at the Oscars, and people who stopped watching the Falcon & The Winter Soldier over potential social justice themes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So one of the jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial gave an interview yesterday morning. In the interview, she said, I was worried that everybody would be mad or, you know, no matter what the verdict was. And I said, this is close as we're going to get to an admission that the riots played a role. Later in the afternoon, another interview came out where she was straight up like, I didn't want to go through riots and destruction again. And I was scared someone would come to my house in retaliation. And I'm like, wait a minute, that's dramatically different. That's an outright statement.

Because you ain't seen no Trump supporters going around burning things down over the Chauvin verdict. We know what she was scared of. And so this is, I got to say, this is going to be their appeal. They go to a judge. They say, look, here's what the jurors were thinking. They should have sequestered the jury. They should have moved venue. We're going to talk about this.

We've got a bunch of other stories. We're going to talk about a lot of wokeness in movies. And we're going to do it. We're going to talk about this. We've got a bunch of other stories. We're going to talk about a lot of woke, wokeness in movies, and we're going to do it. We're going to talk about the Falcon and Winter Soldier again, because I just watched the finale, and it is not woke. It is pro-America, and I thought it was great. It's strangely pro-nationalist and anti-Antifa. It's just so weird to see people ragging on it and thinking it's far left or whatever, but we'll talk about it because it's deliciously centrist. Now, I could do all that work. I'm taking that off because we got someone here who can handle it for me.

We got Michael Knowles. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. Great. You know, I think I saw like one and a half Marvel movies once. So I think I'm an expert. I can pontificate on the whole universe. And I haven't seen the movies you're talking about, but I'll just talk about it.

It's fine. That's never stung me before. I think that's indicative of the cable news, you know, pun class. So you should be fine. That's great. You'll get a job at CNN, no problem. They'll be like, I like what this guy does. He doesn't do any research in the talks.

It's perfect for CNN. That's like me. It's like Ian. What Marvel movies did you see? Marvel movie and a half. So I saw, I had to go see the Endgame movie my friends dragged me

to that I saw it I didn't like it but I saw it and I saw part of one of the Captain Americas and it was actually pretty good

I don't I'd actually it was the the Winter one Winter Soldier Winter Soldier I saw that one was okay but generally speaking

there are a few superhero movies I like I liked Dark Knight I liked Logan but the thing is Winter Soldier. That one was okay. But generally speaking, there are a few superhero movies I like. I liked Dark Knight. I liked Logan. But the thing is, they're not really superhero movies. Those are kind of the exceptions. Logan's just a Western, basically.

So, yeah, I'm not. Like, I was thinking, I'm not like a real cool guy. You know, like, I don't see all the cool Marvel movies. I don't wear a beanie. I was thinking I was going to wear a beanie here today. You should. So the problem... All right, I'll just show it. This is not going to look good.

My head was not built for a beanie. So when I put it in kind of... Over your head phone. Over the head phone. Yeah, I want it... There we go. It's a MAGA beanie. It looks...

I love that. It's Seamus' fault. I could turn it into like a headband, like an 80s headband. But otherwise, my head just looks like a beanie. It looks... I know, I love that. It's Seamus' fault. I could turn it into like a headband, like an 80s headband. But otherwise, my head just looks like a peanut. So that's it. I can't be a cool guy, and I've accepted my lot in life. All right. I feel like I derailed what you were going to say.

You're not a cool guy, but something cool or educational. No, that was it. That was all of it. That was the whole point. Thanks. Thanks for having me. There's Ian and then there's me in the corner pushing buttons. This is going to be a really fun

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And I think you're around for a bonus segment. Yeah? We could do it. I'll be around all night. I nothing else nothing else i got a drink and a cigar waiting for me at the hotel otherwise excellent nice well let's talk about this uh look at this story i'm sure many people are probably already familiar with this because this actually came out yesterday afternoon but i thought it was uh important enough to kick off the conversation and i'll just say i mean we were already having a pretty crazy philosophical conversation before things got got started but

let's talk about you know black, Black Lives Matter, these riots. For those that haven't seen the news, we have this from KARE11. Quote, I wish it didn't have to happen. Alternate juror reflects on Derek Chauvin trial. Now, the first and most important thing is she didn't know she was an alternate. She was in the trial the same as everyone else, treating exactly the same as any other juror. It was only once they announced deliberations, he said, juror 96 and juror so-and-so, you are our alternates, you can go.

And that's when she was like, okay. So her mentality, I believe, is indicative of the views of many of the other jurors. However, to be fair, this is the juror who lived in Brooklyn Center where the Dante Wright riots were happening. She literally had to drive through the riots on the way to court. We have this – so this is an interview.

And we have this – let me just read. Ragoose, the journalist, says, quote, did you want to be a juror? And the juror says, I had mixed feelings. There was a question on the questionnaire about it. And I put I did not know the reason. At the time was I did not know what the outcome was going to be so i felt like either way you're going to disappoint one group or the other i did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and i was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy

with the verdict do you think this lady reasonably feared trump supporters or conservatives rioting and showing up at her house? I think she feared insurrectionists. And I know that we're supposed to believe that Trump supporters are the insurrectionists. But we did see an insurrection last year. We saw it go on for months. We saw it go on not just in one city or two cities. It went on around the country.

It didn't just target government buildings. It targeted private businesses and private citizens. It resulted in deaths, arson, terrorism. What else do you call it? Terrorism is when you target civilians to achieve a political end. And look, I get why she feared it. I mean, there was a Babylon Bee headline right before the verdict came out. It said the jurors read their last will and testament. Because of course, and so should this have led to a mistrial right that was the big question yep maxine waters calls for riots joe biden later on i'm sorry i'm sorry i've been dropped

maxine waters incited insurrection carry yes i'm sorry incited an insurrection uh joe biden same thing he he put his thumb on the scales for the for the jury and ultimately they go to convict him because they wouldn't rule a mistrial. You remember the judge said, well, hey, this is bad. You know, I wish Waters didn't do that. But anyway, it's OK. They're probably not reading the news. So we're not going to have a mistrial.

But I bet you got something on appeal. So what he's saying when he says, I bet you got something on appeal. He's saying, I should declare a mistrial, but I'm too cowardly because I don't want them to burn down my house. And so here's my only point on it is, okay, this juror comes out and says, yeah, I was terrified of the mob killing me and burning down my city. Why is the judge on the appeal going to feel any differently than the judge during the trial, going to feel any differently than the jurors? Everyone's afraid of this terrorist left-wing mob because they not only are making

the threats they're credible threats because they already did it and they already got away with it it's terrorism and the funny thing is they're bragging about it on twitter yeah there's a meme right now so i i tweeted uh what did i tweeted something like i said like holy s you know and a quote from the lady saying i didn't want to go to the rights and some leftist posts a meme where it's you know that the guy's sweating and the two buttons yeah and it said violence doesn't solve anything the riots caused the chauvinist i'm like you're celebrating you're encouraging the right to get violent yeah like i'm trying to tell people not to get violent because you don't want violence and here you have the left gloating and bragging that they engaged in acts of terrorism yeah i. I'll tell you what's scary, though, is I guess, for one, I don't really think it's a conservative

and liberal thing. I think the issue is I often describe it as politically initiated and uninitiated. So why is it that, you know, I'm a fairly moderate kind of, you know, left-leaning libertarian type and we're laughing and agreeing. It's because we both know that no true facts. Yeah. there's probably some things we disagree on in terms of what we think may be real but as individuals who are discerning of the news and seeking out the truth we both know certain facts yeah the riots exist they terrify people it's for a political goal we might disagree on policy but we agree on what's happening in this country but most of these liberals and these

people who are voting for Democrats have no idea. They don't pay attention. In their defense, by the way, Tim, let's just take that story that happened two days ago in Columbus where the cop shot the girl who was stabbing the other girl. About to stab. I'm sorry.

It was just all well and good. That kind of, you know, you're a kid. There's no way to know if she was really going to stay. You don't know. It was a little innocent shanking between friends. And so if you were just a regular American, right, a regular kind of liberal American, you don't watch your show, you don't watch my show, you're, you know, maybe you don't watch podcasts.

Maybe you watch network news, which is still the way millions of Americans get their news. And you watch NBC and you watch Lester Holt's broadcast, the nightly news. You would not have seen the knife. They edited out the knife. They played the clip. The girl is about to shank the other girl. They freeze the frame but keep the audio going so the knife is out of the frame. And all you hear is bang, bang, bang, bang, the girl goes down.

And then in the news report they say, and the police officers say she was holding a knife. A knife was later found on the ground. And they show a picture of the knife on the ground. On the ground. On the ground. So it's not their fault that they're being lied to. So I think I talked about this last week. There was a clip from Mike.com.

I'm at a Trump rally in Janesville, Wisconsin. This is back in like 2015 or 2016. This young woman was arguing with an older man. And everyone's raucous and in a crowd. And she's yelling, he touched my breast, he touched my breast. And the old guy has his hands up saying, I did not touch you, I didn't touch you. She punches him in the face. And then someone else pepper sprays her.

Mike.com added a flare as if they were doing an edit because it was the weirdest thing ever. She goes, he touched my breast. He touched my breast. And then the screen flashes white to cover up the punch. And then it shows her getting pepper sprayed. And the story they run is woman sexual, you know, teenager is sexually assaulted and then pepper sprayed by Trump supporters. And I'm like, oh, yeah, man, that's the news we get. And the problem is, you know, my pal Andrew Klavan makes this point a lot.

When we read the news or we watch a news story about something that we know about, we can look at it and say, hmm, yeah, that doesn't sound right to me. No, I actually know that's not true. No, I actually have my own lion eyes here, you know, and I knew that that was not true. But then when we get to another story where we don't, I don't know, Iran or something, right? So I don't know. I'm not an expert on.

We just take their word for it. We don't. The thing we know about, we know they're lying to us, but then the rest, who knows? That's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect. Yes. Have you heard that? That's so there's a guy who said he was going to name it after two smart people. So it sounds official.

So I don't know i don't know i don't remember who actually coined the phrase but man it's it it rings true iran is a really great example when i see cnn say something like you know hezbollah has done this i just go like i guess yeah maybe and then i watch them talk about the riots like peaceful protesters burned down the city and i'm like it must have been peaceful yeah i might yes is hezbollah good i don't know i don't i don't i don't think that's the case but but who knows what they're lying about you know right yeah and so when especially when it comes to foreign policy yeah we get into wars because of it because the american people are just i guess i just trust it

and so that that's kind of why i i think the easiest example of this is true the real political divide or one i shouldn't say the real but this one of the strongest is do you actually pay attention to the world worldly affairs because you and i will disagree on politics but we agree on what's happening with the world which allows us to you know applying a standard american moral framework come to similar conclusions on what should or shouldn't be yeah and and there's also if you really want to get woke to the political scene one has to recognize there is a difference between how the government is supposed to work and how the government works on paper and how the government actually works

and the kind of real ruling establishment. And actually, the right wing is finally waking up to this a little bit. When, you know, for 20 years, the right wing talked about how there's the, you know, the public and the private and the government and business and you know public government bad private business good and yeah maybe this woke multinational corporation is undermining our entire country and culture but but they're good they're good company give money to company give tax cut to company and government even though the government is an expression of our own political wills through our elected representatives, we hope when it's working, bad, right? But now, what is Google? Is Google a

private company? No, by squishy Republicans, we were told Google is a private company for a long time. That doesn't seem that private to me. When three billionaire oligarchs control the flow of information in a republic where speech is politics, right? It's the same thing. The way we govern ourselves is we persuade one another of things. If three companies are controlling that, that, practically speaking, is the government. You know, I go back and forth on this sometimes, depending on the news, depending on, you know, how it's hard to gauge whether we are winning or losing. And by we, I mean the people who believe in individual rights, free expression, and I guess...

I think we're losing. You think we're losing? I don't want to bring down everything here. It's my design. Well, you know, so there was a funny comment earlier. Someone in the chat said they saw Michael in the title and they were hoping for Malice, but they got Knowles instead. Real nice.

They're like, Knowles is okay. It's okay. Real nice, guys. But Michael Malice is of the opinion that we're winning. Yeah. And there's good reasons to think so. Like YouTube just relaxed its rules on community guidelines and monetization. Some of them give people pause, like you're now allowed to show police brutality videos and monetize them, which is – that's actually the other direction.

It popularizes the myth of police going on hunting minorities and things like that right but they also have now opened it up to you know more adult themed content to put it mildly like news coverage very serious you know issues swearing even and so maybe that's a movement in the right direction i wonder though if some of the relaxation is just because the election passed this this is why the election's over they're always really nice to us when it doesn't matter. But when it really does matter, I mean, I think we actually did see them cross the Rubicon shortly after the election during the litigation where some hipster Rasputin, this guy with the nose ring in Silicon Valley, deplatformed the duly elected sitting president of the United States. Regardless of what you think happened in the election, the guy's the president. And this oligarch took him out and he could take him out. And it wasn't just him. They all worked in concert with one another. And I sort of I mean, this is actually a lot of the topic of my my book, my second book, but my first book with words, which is called Speechless. And it's it's about this, this problem of free speech.

What is it? You know, I think it gets back to your point, Tim, which is so right. The reason that I think we keep losing ground and we lose ground, and maybe they pat us on the head and they're nice to us when it doesn't matter, but we still keep losing, is because we are only thinking about ourselves. We're only thinking about this individualist, hyper-individualist ideology. We're only thinking about the debate as one between free speech and censorship, when I don't think it's that. I think it's a debate between competing sets of standards.

And it actually leads us into a trap. I think conservatives fall for this trap. I think the left understands free speech way better than conservatives do. I think we kid ourselves when we pretend that we understand it better. And the trap is this. Political correctness tries to destroy the old order. That's all it wants to do. It wants to, all the old rituals,

all the old, it wants to get rid of it. And conservatives react one of two ways. Either we go along with it. That's what the squishes do. And they say, oh, who cares? Oh, it's not a big deal. Actually, Drag Queen Story Hour is a blessing of liberty.

Yeah, whatever. You know, it's that kind of thing. And then, but the second way we respond, which I think we've probably all fallen into this camp at various times, myself certainly included, is we'll say, okay, no, I'm not going along. Because I'm a free speech absolutist. I'm a free expression, whatever, absolutist. And so no one can ever tell me that this is better than that or this is more true than that i'm going to be able to do whatever i want and so you disavow standards altogether either way either way the radical leftists get what they want i think i am one of

the worst possible things for conservatives in the long run in that and i've i've i've maintained this for years they like so when i first started doing youtube yeah the people at google that i was working with were like their liberal you know liaisons and stuff and i know a lot of people at google and then eventually they started calling me a centrist i was i was you know and they say you know you're changing and i'm like my videos from 2014 are of the same opinion. I did a video in 2014 about, you know, a segregated graduation ceremony. That was wrong. I think we shouldn't segregate.

My opinions are relatively the same. In fact, I've become more liberty-minded. And actually, I took the political compass test. I'll actually move further to the left ideologically. But they keep calling me. First, they say, oh, Tim's a liberal. He's not a progressive. Then they say, he's a centrist. Now they're calling me right- first say, Tim's, oh, Tim's a liberal. He's not a progressive.

Then they say, he's a centrist. Yeah. Now they're calling me right wing. You're a fascist. Well, so, well, they've never, they don't call me fascist, right? This is why I say I'm one of the worst things for conservatives. I think the reason why YouTube likes what I do, and I have a good go of things, when they ban conservatives, they want to make sure that conservatives stay on platform. And so there has to be something that's semi-acceptable to some conservatives.

There are a lot of people who are conservatives who, like, I disagree with Tim, but I'll watch his show. But what happens when they get rid of Crowder? Then the people who are on YouTube who remain will be like, I'll still watch Tim, but then they're going to get a more liberal viewpoint. That's rotating the wheel and spinning and pushing the over to the left. I don't literally think I'm the worst thing for conservatives. I think we do good work here to try and be fair to everybody but they're trying to rotate the wheel so that centrist becomes far right and actual liberals become conservative and then that is so perceptive i mean because basically what what you're seeing happening in real time is what reagan said i didn't leave my party my party left me you're seeing that happen to you but you're also you're seeing happening in real time is what Reagan said. I didn't leave my party. My party left me. You're seeing that happen to you.

But you're also, you're self-aware enough to realize they're doing it with you. You actually are the evidence of that Overton window shifting. And, well, that's the point, though, is the Overton window, right? Which is, I think that sometimes conservatives, and I've been guilty of this myself years past, we pretend that there is a thing, total, absolute, 100% free speech. That's the American way, isn't it? No, it never has been. It never will be. There have always been broad swaths of speech in America that you're not allowed to say.

Sedition, fraud, fighting words, and why? Obscenity, actually, is a really big one. George Carlin. Seven words you can't say on TV. Seven words you can't say on TV. Now you have to say those words on TV. But why were you not allowed to say those things? Because all of those things, fraud, obscenity, are speech that undermines speech,

at least in the understanding of the Founding Fathers and, I think, of the smartest people on this issue for all time. In the 1950s, you'd get canceled for being a communist. Today, you will get canceled for not being a communist. There's always going to be some kind of canceling. There are always going to be things you can't say and you can't do. But look at how that has shifted. Look at the way that in the 1950s, if you burned an American flag, you might be taken

up on the Smith Act. What was the Smith Act? Smith Act was an anti-communist act. All right, okay. But, you know, we've had these sorts of bills going back to the founding, not particularly with communism, but with all sorts of subversive ideologies. Today, if you could go out, you could burn a flag in the streets, and the left has gotten the conservatives to defend that, to celebrate that. Nothing more American than burning the American flag. That's a big cultural victory for the left.

But here's the thing. I've always been a liberal, and I think people have a right to free speech. So long as it's their own property, they can burn it. Now, like I said, they're trying to call me a conservative. The people on Twitter are like, Tim's a right-winger, you right-wingers. Now, the funny thing is I got called left by a right wing outlet and right by a left wing outlet and so I just like screenshot it and put it on Twitter and I'm like I have found the singularity like people don't realize centrism

exists and they think centrism is like agreeing with the worst parts of like you know the left and the right no it's like agreeing that some people on the right have it right some people left have some good points there's something very very conservative, by the way, about centrism. I don't mean, I'm slightly to the right of Genghis Khan, but there's something really, something really Burkean, something really conservative

about centrism. It's actually what I, I tried to do this. This was kind of the beginning idea for my book, is I wanted to take the left-wing intellectuals seriously. Because, you know,

we do this all the time on the right. We say, oh, you know, the critical theorists there, I hate them, or intellectuals seriously because you know we do this all the time on the right we say oh you know the critical theorists there i hate them or marx or you know gromshie or whoever whoever it is marcusa right but no one actually engages with them and the thing about those guys those radical left theorists is they're super duper intelligent which is why they they've been so successful and we keep losing you know i love quoting marx when i can to like prove points about like liberty for instance yeah to be honest there's only one i can actually reference and it's under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered yeah the working class should uh should um frustrate this by force if necessary yeah and so

i tweeted under no pretext shall the right to keep and bear arms be infringed with a picture of an M16 on a trans flag. Because I'm like, freedom, liberty, and guns. There is no question. If Marx were alive today,

he would be on the alt-right. There's no question about it. He would. I'm serious. I'm not even joking. You're right. He's going to be like a Biden liberal establishment

neolib. I don't think so. No, he was racist. Yeah. He was. He's going to be like a Biden liberal establishment neolib? I don't think so, buddy. No, he was racist. Yeah. He was. It's funny. And he really didn't like the Jews, even though he was. He's a racist anti-Semite who believed in owning guns.

It's closer to alt-right than you're going to get anybody on the left. Actually, we were talking about Seamus from Freedom Tunes because he was just here, but he has a very, very popular cartoon you may have seen where the woke left desperate to stop the Nazis use a time machine to bring World War II soldiers to the future yeah and then when they try explaining to them what's happening the soldiers they're so they're like you know our president is a fascist and then they give him a brochure and then the world war ii soldiers go oh my what your president supports gay marriage it's like the world war ii soldiers were ridiculously conservative yeah well certainly by the i mean by the standards of today like willing grace was

ridiculously conservative because because hemingway describes this in sun also rises he's talking about how you go bankrupt says how'd you go'd you go bankrupt? And the guy says, gradually, then suddenly. And we've kind of gone through this gradually period, which is I don't know, 60s, 70s, 80s. It seems to me like we are very much in the suddenly

phase. I mean, just think about it. We went from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton saying marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman, to if you don't castrate your child, you're a bigot. Come on, trans the kids bigot. We did that in like six years or something. This is where I think an interesting thing happens. You're substantially more conservative than I am, but I as a traditional American liberal

over the past couple decades have a red line on what I think doesn't make sense. So I was a big fan of Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah. And what did Tulsi Gabbard say? She said, safe, legal, but rare when it came to abortion. Right. And so that was where the liberals were 10 years before.

So something happened, and I think it has a lot to do with social media, where, well, it's a combination of things, but I do think social media played a huge role in the rapid leftization, or whatever you want to call it, of the establishment to where, like, I voted for Obama the first time because of the war issue. I didn't vote for him the second time. I consider myself to be, you know, younger, anarchy, leftist, got older,

kind of learned some things, and then was like, I'm a liberal. Then I got older, and I was like, actually, I should open my mind and listen to people of all different backgrounds. And I see these things happening with like – I think Michelle Wolf is her name, the comedian. Yeah.

Where she goes on her Netflix show and she goes, you get an abortion and you get – and I was like, that scares me. Yeah. Because like the argument that I understood growing up from a very liberal family was safe, legal, rare. It was supposed to be like a medical thing where your doctor is here to help you. But you know why it changed. And I actually have sympathy for the left on this as to why it changed because everybody recognized that abortion is not a thing you want.

You don't want more of it, right? I mean everybody, even if you support legal abortion, you don't go celebrate it. But they do now. And it's because the legal and rare issue raised this question of what is an abortion. If it has any moral similarity to murder, then it shouldn't be legal. If it isn't morally similar to murder, then there's no reason for it to be rare. And I think they couldn't stand the kind of gnawing shame of that. And there's a lot of different places the shame could come from. And they couldn't, it had to be,

never with the left do they merely want you to tolerate them. Never do they merely want you to accept them. You must affirm them. You must validate every single desire that they want. And so very quickly on a whole host of issues, not just abortion, you go from, hey, I have this disordered desire, please just tolerate it to, if you don't take your kids to watch

me do this thing and you don't put it on Nickelodeon shows, then you're a bigot and there's no true equity in the world. Or there was the dad in Canada who got arrested for not using the proper pronouns for his... Child. Child, yeah. That's the safe way to say it.

Well, no, because I don't know what the actual gender of the child is because depending on which source you read, they'll say something different. So, you know, you'll read the New York Times and it'll say the man's daughter. And then you'll read, say, the Daily Wire and it'll say the man's son. Yeah. And so I'm just like, I don't is us you know what i mean that issue to me is why it all is so important the thing that drives me craziest are these conservatives who they're they're in that latter group of people with pc where they say oh come on you know i'll you do you i'm not gonna it doesn't affect me do whatever you want just don't raise my taxes or whatever it does if there are very few

people who are men who think that they're women or vice versa very very few people it's a social contagion also beyond the psychological issue so it's it is growing especially among younger people but taking that aside it's still a small number of people if if i can't know if i can't make a claim about objective reality that you will respect and you can't make a claim about objective reality that you will respect, and you can't make a claim about objective reality that I will respect, in something as fundamental as the most basic distinction in human nature, who's a boy and who's a girl, then we can't communicate, right? Language, it's just symbols that we use to refer to objective reality and try to shape the kind of world that we want to live in and recognize reality.

If we cannot do that, there is no self-government. There is no logic to this place. It's just warring bands of interests. The interesting thing about when it comes to – and this is a really obviously dangerous subject for YouTube especially. It's like walking on ice because they're ready to just hit the nuke button yeah but i was reading something about um i can't remember what it was it was a year or so ago about a world world-class athlete yeah who had won some competitions the individual used he him pronouns but was biologically female it completely altered the context of yeah everything because in in certain sporting events i can tell you who the world-class top athletes are yeah

there's probably the names of there's probably several names in say the wnba you've probably never heard of probably more than several yeah right well then I don't know if it was you tweeted that joke, and I tweeted the family guy clip. Maybe it wasn't you. Was it you? I did see the clip. I forget if I tweeted it or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, if you have – we'll use the WNBA as an example.

LeBron James, particularly woke in many ways and pro-CCP, and we all know he's like the cream of the crop, the best of the best, they say. He commands hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Let's say you have, and again, I'm saying this with the utmost respect. I'm trying to explain a concept of linguistics and understanding of reality. Let's say you have a WNBA player who is called the top of her league, the best of the best, commanding the highest salary in the league. And then the person comes out as trans. So in the encyclopedia, they change all the pronouns from she to he and him. Now it says he commands the highest salary in the league.

He won all of the greatest championships. And it really changes the context because it now sounds like they're actually above LeBron James. Right. So I need to be able to understand the context. And these things matter. Well, it matters to the able to understand the context, and these things matter. Well, it matters to the very essence of the society. I mean, you love philosophy, and so there's this very shallow idea that you keep your religion out of my politics.

Look, man, to quote the dude, man, that's just your opinion, man. So we're just going to talk about taxes or whatever. No, all laws legislate morality. All human conflict ultimately is theological. You know, there's the Breitbart doctrine, which is politics is downstream of culture. Culture is downstream of religion. Cult and culture, they come from the same root word. Ultimately, we're talking about first principles, who we are. The traditional understanding for our whole civilization everywhere, everywhere in the world, certainly in this country, is that we are, you know, body and soul. And yes, I'll move, I'll bring you back to one more route. And that's religion is you comes after moral frameworks. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. No, this is actually a perfect way to put it as moral frameworks.

If I'm going to explain human nature in the old way, I'd say I'm body and soul, right? And for the purposes of a lot of public policy, I might just be body, but not for all public policy. You know, why is sexual assault worse than any other kind of assault? Because we're more than just our bodies, right? There's a kind of human dignity that's

being violated here. Okay, fine. That's the to use the technical term, the hylomorphic view of human nature. There's the materialist view, which is just we're meat puppets, and. That's the, to use the technical term, the hylomorphic view of human nature. There's the materialist view, which is just we're meat puppets. And then there's the transgender view, which is an ancient heresy. It's called Gnostic dualism. It's the idea that my true self has nothing to do with my body. So I might look like a dude. I got a deep voice. I got the Adam's apple, various other appendages. But if on some deep metaphysical level i feel myself to be a woman not only is it sort of complicated you know and i'm a little bit i'm i'm just a woman because my

myself my actual self has nothing to do with my body you can't live in a society that simultaneously holds these contradictory views of what human nature is you You've got to decide. Have you seen the Jack Dorsey thing I did with Joe Rogan? Yeah, it's just absolutely magnificent. I appreciate it. It comes up a lot, but I think there was like a very important point that I brought up to Jack or to Vijaya. And it's that when I said your rules are inherently biased against conservatives, they didn't understand this. And then I said, conservatives view the phrase misgendering differently from the way you view it. And you can argue that you're in the majority.

They can argue they're in the majority. How do you rectify that bias you have? If half the country votes for Donald Trump and the other half doesn't, it's fair to say that half the voting body that are active in politics believe that misgendering someone means to use pronouns that don't align with their biological sex. Yeah. The, so that's the essentialist view. Then the constructivist view would be the other way around, that misgendering is when

you don't use the pronouns that adhere to their self-identification. Yeah, yeah. We right now have an infrastructure that's being built upon you as a conservative, your worldview is considered wrong, immal, or a fringe, even though I think when you look at the data, it's actually the majority of individuals. Certainly. Which is why I go back to the politically uninitiated

versus initiated. My thing comes down to probably more libertarianism in the small L sense, not the Libertarian Party, because they get kind of kooky, in that if someone comes to me and says, here's what I'd like to be called i say no problemo yeah like absolutely and i don't think that twitter's argument for why they ban people who violence policy is sufficient i don't think youtube's is and i think it's causing serious damage as you probably agree to discourse and

politics there the argument was that there's a high rate of suicide among trans people, therefore. And my argument, it's not even that I'm arguing against the right of individuals to be respected. I don't think everyone has a right to just have respect. But I do think society, my personal opinion is we try to give people the benefit of the doubt towards respecting them until they prove otherwise. But it does raise this question, which is, and this is actually just as dangerous for society. What is the respect?

It seems to me what the conservatives are saying is if I see a man who wants to be called a woman and you call him a man, you're showing him respect because you're not treating him like a crazy person. You're treating him like someone who can understand reality. And you're just saying, look, this is how I see it, pal. It kind of looks like you're a man. And if you lie to him, then you're being very disrespectful. You don't lie to people that you have respect for. But I think on the left, the argument they're making is lies. In this case, even if we're going to all admit, you know, he's not really a girl, but it's nice because it's socially

constructed. We should all do it lies are compassionate and the truth is cruel and you know that's not a great premise for society to begin with and it's one that i would certainly reject i think i think at the very least it's exactly you know everything you online outlined the conservative view on why you're actually being respectful it's exactly the problem with the rules these social media companies have yeah in that they you know what i said what i said to them was you guys think you're like regular people but you're not you're billionaire silicon valley elites who are out of touch with this country masters of the universe i'm not saying you're that you represent a tiny fringe faction or anything like that there's a lot of people who agree with you yeah but you don't understand that you have not spoken with a trump supporter or a conservative to understand that

half the country disagrees with you and probably more but you've made rules so what ends up happening is the more we use these digital spaces the more we're filtering our worldview through theirs yeah and to your point about losing that's probably probably it. It is because we're, I think what Twitter is saying, I mean, you absolutely wrecked them and they're being so hypocritical and they're being so disingenuous a lot of the time. But the fact remains, there are going to be rules. Always have been, always will be to every speech regime. There have to be. There just have to be rules to speech in the sense that if he is really he, then he isn't she. And if he is she, then he's really not he. And one of us is right and one of us is wrong. But if we're going to have any kind of society, we're going to have

to agree on those rules. And what is being done now is rather than having them develop over time out of tradition through the use of our reason, by applying reason to the natural world and our perceptions, what is being done is a handful of extremely radical people whose life experience is very different from all of ours are upending society right from under our feet. And there's nothing we can do about it because they own the platforms and they enforce all the rules. And you got like Jack Dorsey who sold Twitter. Basically, he only owns like 2% or 6% or something of Twitter now. And you've got companies like State Street or BlackRock, these giant global investment

firms that basically are running the show. And like you said earlier, sedition. Like certain types of speech are illegal for a reason. So free speech means we've all agreed We're not going to say certain things. And it's like, they've taken on this role of arbiter that they want to decide for us that we can't say certain things because it's dangerous that it will prevent actual free speech.

But I don't think that that's for corporations to decide personally, not, not historically in our country, but that is what's happening now. And it's, it's why i think the reason conservatives lose is because the left makes a procedural argument and they make a substantive argument and what i mean by that is the left has a view of what free speech is in the

abstract and then they're going to enforce certain speech rules the right has this kind of a historical now we've adopted over the last 20 years, just like total free speech, and there's no limits to anything. But we won't say what we should say. But free speech has no meaning to people who have nothing to say. Freedom of belief has no meaning to people who don't believe anything.

You know, the reason I think, it's not just conservatives who are losing, because obviously, to you, I'm definitely not a conservative. To the right, I'm definitely not a conservative. To them, whatever, fine. But we are losing. And whatever that we is,

it's a combination of different factions in politics. But the reason is, well, I don't think you're interested in lying, cheating, and stealing. I'm certainly not either. I like enlightenment values. I like sitting down and having conversations with people. I believe in respecting... For for me when it comes to you know pronouns or whatever i give the benefit

of doubt towards respect i like to sit down and have conversations i don't like to manipulate people into doing my bidding yeah however the issue i have with modern leftism as it stands as is the authoritarianism of it, where they believe the moral framework of wokeness is might makes right. Are you familiar with David Graeber? No, I'm not. David Graeber was a very famous anthropologist who didn't like that he was called the anarchist anthropologist.

He was one of the influencers who ignited Occupy Wall Street at his meetings, and he passed recently. So rest in peace, David Graeber. influencers who ignited Occupy Wall Street at these meetings. And he passed recently. So, you know, rest in peace, David Graeber. He did a Twitter thread a few years ago where he said, elements of the left have begun adopting fascistic ideologies. The idea that there's no truth but power and that might makes right. Yeah. That's my problem with wokeness. Yeah. That they're basically there's no rules. I want to know what the rules are so I can respect you. Yeah. But they purposefully have no rules. It's just the imposition is what matters you know at this point is so important someone the other day well this happens every day but the other day i responded someone called me

a fascist and i pointed out i said i am way too reactionary to be a fascist and that is like small potatoes and what i mean by that is to point exactly, fascism is an atheistic statist philosophy that basically just worships the exercise of state power. That doesn't work with my worldview because I think that there are some things that are true. I think there are eternal truths. There's an eternal moral order. But this is something that conservatives don't want to acknowledge.

When I say they don't want to say anything, what I mean is this. You get the squishy types who say, well, look, if we tell Drag Queen Story Hour that they can't twerk for kids at the library, then they might tell us we can't go to church on Sunday. And I say, first of all, they're already telling us we can't go to church on Sunday. But second of all, if you cannot distinguish between twerking for toddlers and going to church on Sunday, if you can't say one of those is better than the other one, one of those is better for, then you have lost your faculties of judgment, your moral conscience, which is the prerequisite for self-government.

At that point, throw in the towel. Well, I'll put it in a different way. Let's say you have, let's say I'm sitting in my arbiter's chair and I see a leftist say, we should be allowed to have Drag Queen Story Hour. And then to my right is a conservative saying, we should be allowed to go to church on Sunday. I say, to you and your community on the religious side, you should be allowed to go to church and your community should function as you see moral and fit. And this other group, they live in a different society. If you guys want to have and live your own ways i respect that the problem though is one group is telling you what you can and can't do because they're trying to impose their will into your community but in their defense i am trying to impose my will on theirs and what i mean by what i mean by that is this

drag queen story hour involves perverts twerking for toddlers, okay, to put it really bluntly. Well, to clarify, too, there's a specific instance in which somebody was... That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm not speaking loosely here. I'm saying like an actual guy who actually committed these crimes, right? Yeah, yeah. Because this is so much easier to get into it this way because it involves children. If a community, you know, look, they've got their own customs.

And one of the customs is that they involves children. If a community, you know, look, they've got their own customs. And one of the customs is that they abuse children. And they twerk for children. And they indoctrinate children into this crazy licentious ideology. But that's their custom. That's what they want to do. Do we not have any right to say, you shouldn't do that? Depends on if you're coming from a... It's hard.

It's moral frameworks. I certainly have my red lines. So I look at what happens in some of these foreign countries, and they're shocking to me. And there is a point where I'm like questioning the line of warfare, for instance, what China does to the Uyghur Muslims and the women. And I had a very interesting conversation with Cassandra Fairbanks where she said there's no war no matter what. Every country does something wrong. Are we going to go to war with everybody? It's a very interesting libertarian argument.

And I think she's right about that. Why don't I care about, say, these other countries in Africa where they do atrocities as well? And so it's a real challenge of where the lines are in terms of the actual physical boundaries where we're going to say

we will enforce our morality. Well, I'm sure a line for you would be like the kids stuff i think this is true a line for most people because what do we also we say kids can't consent you know they don't they don't really have mastery of their liberty that's why we have age of consent laws because we're not going to let kids do all these sorts of things the left is trying to uh get your way at that right now and i'll clarify too right there's there's the mainstream media portrayal of drag queen story hour where it's just people in chairs with books yeah and there's the actual videos you see on twitter where they're twerking for children yes and so there's the the argument that i've seen is that twerking is just dancing from a different culture so you you it's just like a waltz you know from a philosophical point of view and and from a moral

from a moral framework standpoint my question is are people who vote for certain things allowed to live certain ways if they choose and at what point does someone's community get to impose their will on another community well it depends what they're voting for you know at one time i got to meet scalia a couple times and when i was a student was amazing. I have no idea how I stumbled into this opportunity. And someone asked him, I think it was a question about the Second Amendment. They asked him, hold on, Mr. Justice, because you're saying that it's this individual right to these guns, but only these guns and not these other guns. How do you decide? And his answer, I thought, was deeply conservative and deeply wise.

He said, you decide very, very carefully. And I think we need to decide these things very carefully, too. One stumbling block, I think, for a lot of people on this issue is the nature of liberty. What is liberty? You know, right now they're saying that the kid should be able to be castrated if he wants to because that's his right. That's his liberty if he wants to do it. But then we say, well, kids don't really have liberty because they're not educated, and the whole point of a liberal education is you master your liberty.

I think the problem here is this conflation of liberty and licentiousness, meaning the current sort of modern lib view of liberty is that liberty means do whatever you want. Whatever your base desire is, just do whatever you want. And the conservative view of liberty, the view of the founders, the view of the Christian view, the pre-Christian view even, is that liberty is not the ability to do whatever you want. It's the right to do what you ought to do. And what I mean by that is this. I can bring it right down to earth. A heroin addict. Actually, it's a very popular debate on libertarian circles, right? Should you legalize all the drugs? Should the heroin addict be able to do whatever he wants? According to the modern liberal view of liberty,

the heroin addict is the most free guy in the world, right? He can do, as long as he's got a buck in his pocket, he can shoot up. He's, that's awesome. He's pursuing his will and his free choice. But we all know that that guy's not free. We all know he's a slave. He's a slave to his base passions. His higher will, I'm sure, is telling him, I wish I could stop doing this. I hate the heroin. Oh, addicts will tell you this all the time. But his lower appetites, because he hasn't cultivated his higher will, his lower appetites, his licentiousness, desiring all of that. My view of the drug war stuff is it should be legal insofar as you have to go to designated facilities that regulate and actually wean you off of it so instead of having someone go in the gutter they go in for a legal you know session or whatever

and they can live they can regulate and limit so that they can actually with the purpose of getting them off the drug right right yeah yeah you know we have methadone clinics and things like that yeah so but there are people who look at say portugal and they think we should just totally legalize everything yeah i i am of i am of the legalize everything with regulation. So it's like, or I should say decriminalize with the goal of helping people instead of locking them up in prison or whatever. But even in that view, that isn't exactly my view of it,

but even in that view, you are acknowledging the goal should be people do less of this stuff. Absolutely. Yeah, and I think a lot of people now on the left, it's kind of like the abortion thing, right? It's like, no, we've got to celebrate it. We've got to shout it, and that's – that way lies madness.

To me, that whole thing was crazy because growing up being liberal, what it meant to me and what my understanding of the things we argued for was respecting individual liberties and civil liberties and civil rights. Now the modern liberal, whatever that means, does not do that. Yeah. It's well, I mean, they can argue that they are, but it's moved well beyond any point of being responsible in your community to protect individuals. Now it's literally just no rules, no police. But you know why?

Burn down the city in Minneapolis or whatever. I've got to defend the left. I mean, your point is totally right. But their argument, which they really pushed in the 1970s, the radical feminists pushed this, is that the personal is the political. There's this great essay by that name. And this woman recounts how the New York radical women's groups, they would meet up. I refer to them as wine and cheese soirees. You know, these sort of housewives or unmarried women would meet up.

And but very often when the bourgeois housewife and the mother of two would show up, the woman would go there and she was happy as a clam walking in. And then during the struggle session, they would raise awareness and the woman would leave

resentful and irritated. And because she's now aware of her own oppression. And this is called being liberated and then the women would go out of there you know uh i used to do non-profit fundraising and these these offices they hire large groups of people yeah send us out in the streets to wave at people with clipboards yeah hey do you have a minute to talk about the environment you've probably seen those people right one when you come back from your day of hard fundraising on the street yeah

some people aren't of strong mental fortitude and they would do debriefs they would always have a manager do a debrief with everyone one at a time and then you you stop it for debrief then you'd leave and what they were really doing was a morality check if somebody in the office had a bad day they would walk in and they would have the squiggly line over their head like the comics and everyone else who maybe had a bad day but wasn't really thinking about it maybe it was an okay day maybe it was a good day yeah they'd all be hanging out after work the person at the bad day would stand next to them as they say like how was your day and they'd be like it was okay for me and they would go this is the worst job ever i

hate this job dude people are so awful dude i had a guy who did this to me and then everyone starts sharing the negativity and it spreads like like a like a virus yeah so what would happen is they would do a debrief where they would ask people how was your day how do you feel and if a tiny percentage of people were like i'm just so tired these people are so awful they'd fire everyone in the office even there was like there would be like five people who would remain and those were like the tough-willed so i worked for these companies i was a nation's best fundraiser for a variety of these non-profits on the street convincing people to donate to various charities i didn't think those guys ever got anybody to sign up at all man that's very impressive i i i once got a lady to give me a check for 700 and then give me

her bank account numbers to do it every single month so like when you have the gift of gab when you can talk yeah i'm in the wrong line of work man that's great no i think you're in the right line of work like this stuff was dirty it was it's the opposite of what we're doing you're speaking your your truth you're explaining how you feel and how you want to, you know, your goals towards improving things. This was the opposite. This was tricking people. And that's why I ended up leaving when I realized they were full of it. Yeah.

To your point, though, about, you know, I guess we're talking about like negativity spreading and this mentality spreading. Sort of, yeah. New York radical women, personal as the political. Yeah, they'd come out feeling all angry. Yeah. You take a bunch of people who are happy and excited for their job. Yeah. And you put them in a room

and you're good. But one person gets negative and then within a week, everyone's performance dropped dramatically. And do you see what that company understood? Is that the personal is the political. So if you have a company full of pissed off people,

then you're going to have a bad company. And if you have a country, to get back to that earlier example, you have a country full of heroin addicts, it doesn't matter how wonderfully written your constitution is and how beautiful your Supreme Court building is. If your nation is full of individuals who are atrophied and sick and disordered, you're going to have a bad country. And we have an opioid crisis. I mean, it's not...

And that's a literal Yeah, right. That's a literal Yeah, so it's remarkable how easy it is to spread anger and negativity and how hard it is

to stop it or spread the positivity. It's what they call runaway breakdown in science where one electron in a cloud of plasma will go and then all the other ones

follow it rapidly and cause lightning as we know it. That's the formation of lightning. Oh, there you go. And because electrons are such lightweight they move and they follow each other very quickly relative to the proton. Let's do this. Let's segue.

This is a hard segue. But I want to talk about one of the articles from we're seeing in commercial industry and in movies and shows is this kind of you're in a room with 30 other people and one person's pissed off. Yeah. It's happened to our country. Sounds like Twitter. Yeah, exactly. It is. And the reason why I think we're seeing movies and commercials and marketing go this direction is, one, there has been a liberal bias in the establishment media for a long time

academia and that meant i think it's probably you know following civil rights because i think everybody for the most part and today in america objectively believes civil rights were a good thing yeah there are obviously racists and but there's that's true there's probably a handful of people there's few and far between uh but no on the left and the right right you have left identitarians who uh you know when i was in um i think baltimore during the riots they actually were circulating a discussion about why the end this is black lives matter saying ending segregation was bad it was wrong they genuinely thought so so anyway i digress uh there there's been uh okay we got disconnected but it's fine it'll kick back in since then there's been a bias where it's been okay, we got disconnected, but it's fine. It'll kick back in.

Since then, there's been a bias where it's like, okay, racism is bad, right? And then because of that, everything sort of flowed in that direction. And if you're in the mainstream media, that's what's acceptable. That's what's socially just. And so the only conversations that can happen are racism is bad or something in that context.

So what happens then is when you create a Twitter or a Facebook and it creates the massive room where happen are racism is bad or something in that context so what happens then is when you create a twitter or a facebook and it creates the massive room where everyone can share their rage and enrage other people we end up with industry commercials movies media government and every so you know our culture has become built upon this low morale, demoralized, angry, angry about what? You know, you were saying earlier, like, what right do we have to say, like, I want you to change, like to impose your will on some other person. I think that you twerking for kids is bad.

Yeah. And I think we do have the right to say that. And of course, now that's on social media. And but sometimes you don't have the right to say, like, I think you should commit this crime because that's could be considered, I don't know, seditious or something like that. But this this whole like, I think you should fill in the blank has has like taken on this this runaway breakdown in social media. And now people are imposing like, I think you should call me a man. Yeah, right. people are imposing like i think you should call me a man yeah right but let me to your point about runaway breakdown and the thing i was saying about the bias donald trump can say we're going to

peacefully march to the capitol to cheer on politicians insurrection yeah maxine waters says if we don't get what we want we do more we get more confrontational and they're like that's fine yeah i'm sorry what the republicans offer to do censure maxine of course it's pathetic we will wag our finger at her they impeached trump over it literally impeached him yeah and then tried to convict him of course saying peacefully cheer on politicians of course it's it's absolutely pathetic because your observation here and actually what we're seeing in hollywood is every culture definition, is going to idolize some things and castigate some things.

And we're going to think some things are good and some things are bad and some are right and some are wrong. And that's just the way it works. And if conservatives are unwilling to offer a substantive vision of that, then we're just going to get rolled over. You know, on this point here of this kind of nastiness in the movies, how, you know, it's Hollywood, social media, it's all so nasty. I wonder if too, beyond just the political

vision of this, it has something to do with how exhausted and decadent we are as a society. What I mean by that is, I went to Cuba a few years ago. They had direct flights from L.A. very briefly. Thanks, Obama. And I go down to buy some cigars. I go to Cuba

and I see a variety show. And this thing, man, I don. Thanks, Obama. And I go down to buy some cigars. I go to Cuba, and I see a variety show. And this thing, man, I don't know. I felt bad for everybody in that slave island. It's a terrible place. At the time, it looked like they were going to open up. Who knows? It doesn't look like great reforms. I see a real Ricky Ricardo show.

I mean, I'm talking Cuban Pete. He's the king of the right. It's all very big, very energetic, very enthusiastic. And I thought, oh, my gosh. We haven't had that kind of entertainment in the United States for 50 years at least. What is our entertainment now? It's apathetic.

It's all ironic. It's all just sort of dressed down and like I'm not even gonna, you know. Millennials and Zoomers too, they kind of like talking vocal fry. You know, it's kind of, they won't even put breath behind their voice because we're just so damn tuckered out.

We're so exhausted. I mean, there's very popular memes about harming yourself on Reddit. And there's, the funny thing is it's created a derivative set of memes where these Gen Zers who make jokes about dying don't know that older generations don't know it's a joke yeah seriously yeah but

so i wanted to bring up this thing about hollywood because i think this is from the daily wire i think it shows uh yeah whatever that is yeah website or whatever shout out apparently there's a bunch of links on facebook daily wire daily wire yeah so no no but i think most people are not into this the problem is social media has created – it's the foreground, and people don't realize that it looks really big because it's right in front of our faces, but it's actually really small. So let me pull some of this up. This is a Daily Wire poll. Most Americans oppose Oscar in diversity requirements. Don't believe diversity requirements should be a significant factor in whether or not a film is nominated for an Oscar at the Academy Awards, according to the findings of a new SurveyMonkey poll commissioned by the Daily Wire. They say 63% of respondents agreed that films should solely be judged on their artistic merits, while only 24% of respondents say diversity should be a significant factor.

In a film's nomination. The other respondents indicated they were unsure. Nearly half of non-white respondents, 48%, said artistic merit should be the sole consideration, while 38% said diversity should be factored in the nomination decision. To me, I am not surprised. The ratings are in the gutter. It's not just the ratings for Hollywood. CNN news outlets' ratings are in the gutter. Fox News, apparently the only outlet that's actually maintained their ratings post in the gutter yeah it's not just the ratings for for hollywood cnn news outlets or ratings are in the gutter fox news apparently the only outlet that's actually maintained their ratings post trump though they did take a big hit you know during trump like they had they had some

pushback during the election right right right i look at i look at these these tv shows and you see the ratings are down you look at the grammys you look at the oscars nobody wants to watch this stuff you look at some of these movies that have come out and, wow, have they not made money. Birds of Prey. Did you see that movie? No. No. You're lucky.

That's not for the flight back. I should not. You do not want to watch that movie. No. It is, you know, the issue I take with it is that it's all based off of this. It's like indignation. Like that it's all based off of this um it's like it's like indignation like like I'm it's this anger yeah it's not a a positive question so I think back to like you know old content old shows back in the day that I thought were progressive or in a sense or or talk to civil

rights for things for kids that that were done right I always reference static shock the cartoon I don't know if you're familiar with no no No, no. I mean, it was a kids show and you have this character, Virgil Hawkins. He's a young black teenager. He gained superpowers. The stories they go through are about his best friend is gay. Should he join a gang? And it was done in a

very inquisitive way that explained a point. Today's version of politics in shows like Wokeness and Diversity Requirements are bashing you over the head with anger about how you're evil and wrong and we're mad at you. It's very, very different from just telling someone what would be right. You know what I mean? Well, I think part of it is because getting back to your might makes right argument earlier, one would hope that in a civilized society, we can all just persuade one another through arguments that, hey, my view of this social question is right, and so here's my argument.

But because the left has now basically abandoned that, and I don't just mean they don't make good arguments, and their arguments are no good. I mean, as a product of their radical ideologies over the years, they have come to deny the reality of the objective world, right? They'll actually say things like objective truth. That's actually a white supremacist dog whistle, things like that. So if they're going to deny that, then argument falls apart. And so it has to be angry or at least threatening in the sense that if they want to get you to go along with their program, they've just got to make you do it. They're not going to persuade you. It won't be gentle.

At what point do you legislate this i was thinking of this earlier you were saying like do you have the right to tell someone i think you should do this and yes i believe you do when it's not a certain type of like sedition or whatever but at what point are you should you be able to legislate i think you should do this and that's basically kind of what our government does and now it's what our social media is doing because it's one of the new forms of government. Because it is the government. Yeah, right. How are they legislating?

By public opinion? By fear-mongering? Like this juror was afraid that they were going to? Well, so it's the anger. It's the negativity. It's the rage instead of the compassion. So a good example, I'm trying to think of like what's a really good example of how they do wokeness wrong? And how about Ghostbusters 2016?

Have you seen that one? Nobody saw that one yeah i don't think i'm alone here uh awful why because they think that the idea of of diversity in movies is being mean and nasty and insulting yeah so they're mad that we do captain america we do thor and iron man and it's all white males. Yeah. I don't care that it's white males. I have no problem with Shang-Chi. It's the new Marvel movie coming out.

It's an Asian lead with Asian characters. I'm like, cool. When they see those three movies where it's all white men, their reaction is to make a movie where they insult and berate and belittle white men. It's like, that's not social justice. That's just the same thing, but it's just being mean to people. I think about a movie like Wonder Woman, the first one, or say like Edge of Tomorrow, where they actually just have strong female characters to represent female characters,

and they don't insult you and bash you over the head and tell you you're a moron or you're toxic or you're stupid. To me, that's the main issue here. Well, I mean, a good rule of thumb I've found is that when you're trying to understand something the radical left is doing, just invert reality, invert the traditional order. So traditionally, humility is the beginning of wisdom, right? Very important virtue. What does the left celebrate?

Pride. Not just gay pride. It's like fat pride, skinny pride, slut pride, all these various marches to embrace pride, which a friend of mine once said it used to be. Interesting. I think it was Thomas Aquinas called it the queen of all vices, and now my friend referred to it as the vice of all queens,

which I think that's very, that's not nice. That's not a nice thing. It's very politically incorrect. But it's because it's actually, it's way beyond the gay question. If you look at the essence of Christianity, what is it? That in this fallen world, you have the incarnation of perfect good. The actual God himself, the second person of the Trinity, incarnated into the world to redeem mankind.

What do you have on the left? You have the exact inversion of that. You have no shot at redemption no shot at the incarnation of the good but you do have the incarnation of evil in in the character of the straight white man who knows that he's a man who right it keeps getting narrower and narrower we we talked about this before the show a little bit moral frameworks yeah and uh i something i've definitely mentioned on this show that there are a lot of liberals in this country who are like, if you need religion to be moral, then I'm scared of what you really think or what you would do without religion. You must be crazy.

And the example of Bill Maher, who would say something like, I don't need religion to have morals. And they don't realize that their morals are built upon the Judeo-Christian framework. Well, of course. I mean, it's always so sophomoric. When that fad happened in the mid-2000s, you know, the new atheists, I always felt the old atheists were a lot more impressive.

I mean, I tried reading some of their books. They were sophomoric. I mean, they were so shallow that they weren't even making the arguments they thought that they were making. And someone like Bill Maher, yes. Where does Bill Maher get his morality from? His civilization, which is built on Christianity.

You can use the phrase Judeo-Christian, whatever you want. He was raised, I guess, in a Jewish household. Who knows? Literally like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, individuals who are fairly religious individuals, to say the least. It's built on Judeo-Christianism

and a little bit of moral, or I guess you call it authoritarian militantism. What do you mean? Well, we just massacred the Native Americans to form our country in pride. We're talking about humility and pride. I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair to the settlers. Think about American pride.

Proud to be an American pride. Hold on. Okay. We're talking about there are certain things in the Bible and the Torah. Yeah, humility. America is not a humble place. That's a good point. It's the place that makes Donald Trump.

They talk about pride. Trump represents like turning American culture up to 11. It's like the epitome of pride. He's prideful. It comes from, I think, a decay of that moral framework. Well, where does pride, what is the American thing with pride? Because humility is a virtue and pride is a sin. You know, I actually, I think America is a humble country.

And I actually think even Trump is politically one of the most humble politicians we've ever heard. Not because he doesn't have an ego, he slaps his name on every building he ever saw. But it's because he understands that there are limits to politics. And there's limits to what he can do. I mean, when he comes in, he says, look, you know, I'm a flawed guy, but I fix things. We're going to make it a little bit better. Conservatives traditionally have this idea, you can't remake the world into this utopia. To me, that's a very, very humble position.

I think we can rag on Trump for his character and persona as a representation of some of the worst things, like turning American culture up to the 11 and just really blasting the saturation. He turns orange. The casinos and the supermarkets. Right, right, right. But politically, Trump wouldn't send the military or the feds into these riots. Yeah.

He wouldn't. There were so many things Trump should have done. He wouldn't do it. He wouldn't fire people. He wouldn't force his way. And they kept screaming he was a fascist when he literally wouldn't do these things. In fact, Donald Trump shut down the child detention centers yeah and joe biden reopened him yeah

so he built him look trump i would not say is could be described as humble not at all but he strikes me as prideful as all get out there was name on buildings he's all like i'm the best like that's pride and when it comes to politics and the actions he took as a president, absolutely. He was more humble than say Joe Biden was. Joe Biden can rhetorically be humble. That's a fact. Donald Trump was the opposite of humble. I don't think either of those guys could to be a cult leader.

You've got to be shuts down the facilities. You know why? Donald Trump shut down the child facilities because the left was yelling at him. Donald Trump banned the stocks because the left was yelling at him. Joe Biden tells the right to screw themselves. Well, let me Obama similarly. Let me develop this a little because I think pride is an American virtue in a lot of ways. It's a Catholic sin, but it's in the United States is like proud to be an American. And they teach you that as a kid. They taught me that as a kid that, yes, you want to be prideful of your things and it's good. And in a lot of ways,

it does help you succeed in a capitalist society. But do you think when I say I mean, it just seems to me we're using this word pride in different ways. Like when I say I'm proud to be an American, aren't we just talking about love of country, patriotism, sort of an extension of filial piety? Like, I agree, there's a degree of national pride. That's a really bad thing when you say, like, every other country is awful and we're just going to take them all over and everything. But in a way, America, I think, doesn't do that. We bomb the Middle East a lot. But I don't know that we do that.

We kind of open our country up. We say, hey, man, come on in. We want all the best from everywhere. We let in more immigrants than any other country, don't we? I mean, the movement of immigrants into this country over the last 60 years is the largest movement of people ever on Earth in the history of the world. immigrants into this country over the last 60 years is the largest movement of people ever on earth in the history of the world so yeah well yeah people love it and we let a lot of people in i mean so much so that now it's become very difficult if not impossible to to

assimilate all you're talking about millions of people every single year and if you even raise the prospect of hey maybe we should you know, cool it a little bit until we assimilate everybody, most people will look at you like you're crazy. Do you think the Catholic Church just told people pride is bad because they wanted to keep

control of people? No, well, pride made Satan fall like lightning from heaven. You know, I mean, pride is the, it's the sin in the Garden of Eden. Actually, Whitaker Chambers, ex-communist who wrote this great book, Witness,

which actually helped bring Ronald Reagan from the left to the right. He said that communism is not a new ideology. Communism is the second oldest faith of mankind. It's the great alternative faith that began in the garden when the serpent told Adam and Eve, ye shall be as gods. And that presumption to be as a god, it that is the bible story that is what causes the fall so i you know i think it's in the heart of man i don't think it's uniquely american but we've all got it there's no doubt about that we we've stumbled onto this talk about america and we were talking about hollywood so i'm gonna make this segment happen because i'm so excited for this

the first thing i want to say is this if if i could offer you up, all of you guys listening, a TV show where a guy takes an American flag and brutally beats Antifa and, you know, he rejects a bunch of woke ideas. He's repeatedly told by people about how you know, you shouldn't wave that flag. It's the

white man's flag and that. You've got to understand. And so you have this black man who says, nah, I like the flag. And he picks it up. And then there are these people who are like, we should have open borders and we you got to understand and so you have this this black man who says no i like the flag and he picks it up and then there are these people who are like we should have open borders and we're gonna we're gonna smash the flag and then he just beats him with it would that be a show conservatives would want to watch it sounds great where do i sign up where do i get it it's the falcon and the winter soldier so first let me show this story from we got this covered now we talked about i think a couple weeks ago new rumor says over 80 percent of falcon and winter soldier viewers turned off episode two at the same point now

i'm talking about this you know we're talking about hollywood wokeness the commercialization of this anger and i i gotta talk about this show and i think pride fits in because i'm wondering why it is i see a lot of people saying this show is woke don't watch it it's awful it's racist people don't want to watch it and i wonder if there's an element of pride in assuming hollywood does this so not maybe not giving it a chance yeah maybe being a little more open-minded so we have this this this segment from uh marvel.com or this this article cast and creative creatives behind the falcon winter soldier discuss patriotism supremacy captain america's mantle and you have this this quote from Anthony Mackie who

plays excuse me he plays the Falcon he says for Sam it's a constant battle of how do you fight for a country that's never fought for you remarks Anthony Mackie

explaining in many ways the one thing that held up the moniker of that shield was the idea of who Steve Rogers was which is Captain America that that comment to

me was really interesting because it does I think think, in many ways show that Marvel, they're woke and they don't get it. For Anthony Mackie to say that, a country never fought for you, I mean, I think one of the bloodiest battles in the history of the world was the Civil War, quite literally, to end slavery, among other peripheral factors, but that was a key component. But here's what I've got to say about the show and what Hollywood is doing and what we need to be careful of. I'm seeing a lot of people tell me I'm wrong because I said the show is not woke.

I'm like, it's not woke. Give it a chance. It's actually, it's fairly centrist. It addresses issues of race, but quite literally, I'm going to spoil the show for those who haven't seen the finale because the finale came out and I was so excited watching a dude reject wokeness pick up the american flag and and beat antifa with it i mean that like i don't literally like antifa getting beaten but the bad guys are called flag smashers yeah they want open borders they they they're terrorists who kill people amazing they think might makes right and because they have super strength they're allowed to kill whoever they want she literally says to there's a soldier with ptsd you watch his best friend who's a black man get killed and she says his

life doesn't matter and i was like that's an amazing indictment of these fake woke antifa who would use someone for political points if they could get ahead and then literally tell you to your face they don't matter anthony mackie plays a black man who questions whether or not he should wear the american flag ultimately decides to do it. And they even show a scene where there's another black man who says no self-respecting black man would wear that shield. And Anthony Mackie says, I know there's people who will be mad at me for wearing this, but, you know, he wants to fight for this country and he'll be damned if someone tells him he can't do it. And then he's literally wearing the American flag chasing down open borders extremists. I'm like, I'm sorry. I mean,

there's definitely a message about racism being bad, but it sounds like a more classically liberal or even a conservative statement about why racism is bad. Well, it's obviously conservative in the sense that America is good and the flag smashers are bad. I mean, just in the most basic sense, that is a

conservative message. You're going to make me, I was at one and a half Marvel products is what I, you're going to make me go to two and a half now. I certainly think there's elements that people could call woke, but I wonder if what a lot of people,

I did say, I tweeted, it was getting too woke. And it was after this point where a car pulls up, a squad car pulls up and you got, you know, Anthony Mackie and you got Falcon and Bucky Barnes, a white guy and a black guy. And it was this very stereotypically like racist moment where the cops like sir are you all right to the white dude a lot of people got mad about that

yeah but i'm like i'm gonna watch it because i don't want to fall into this trap where i'm like ah that's what i woke i won't watch it yeah and then i was amazingly surprised there was a point where apparently you know sam sam wilson the Falcon, black man, is, you know, Bucky Barnes apologized saying, I didn't realize what it meant for a black man to wear, you know, that shield and be Captain America. But he's like, he doesn't want to do that. He has a little kid tell him, he's walking on the street, a little kid goes, it's Black Falcon.

And he goes, nah, I'm just Falcon. And the kid goes, no, my dad says you're Black Falcon. He goes, I'm just the Falcon. And I'm like, you are down the street. A little kid goes, it's Black Falcon. And he goes, nah, I'm just Falcon. And the kid goes, no, my dad says you're Black Falcon. And he goes, I'm just the Falcon. And I'm like, you are just the Falcon. Your race is not relevant to you being a superhero who's awesome. And when he decided to defy people in this black community who said, you think you can come in here because you have that white man's shield? And he's like, but I like that guy.

He was cool as my friend. He's like, Steve Rogers didn't do this to you. And then he decides to wear the American flag representing the country. For every reason, he felt like he was wronged by this country or didn't fight for him. For everyone telling him that America was bad and doesn't represent him and hates him, he still believed in this country. And I'm like, it's like hardcore nationalist. It's like almost Trumpian in a way. I'm actually, I'm wondering if it's Chinese propaganda in that they have now incited Antifa to go riot and burn things down for a couple years. Now they're going to start making art about why we should fight them.

Yeah. It's the 4D chess of the Chinese communists. Yeah. I did think about this and I wonder to what extent there's a conspiracy in media now that the election's over. They need to stop Antifa and start putting out messages about loving the country and getting things back on track. Because, you know, we were promised the riots would stop once Joe Biden came in and they ain't stopping. They're getting worse. Yeah. Well, that is the problem.

When you when you unleash violence, you don't get to control it. You know, actually, things as when you begin a war, you know, things quickly spiral out of control. And that's clearly what's going on here. But I am, I'm actually glad you told me this about Marvel because conservatives do this a lot where they, they'll see a little, because we're so abused, because this whole culture abuses and abuses, just smacks us all the time. We just, the minute we see something say

okay that's all i'm done i'm done i can't take it anymore and there was that movie that came out i don't even remember the name of it was supposed to come out a few years ago and it was about how these white rich liberals you know i don't even know if it was all white people it was the hunt right it was really good it seemed great i mean the whole thing was these these rich coastal libs were hunting down good, regular Americans. And, you know, I thought this was the most conservative movie ever made. I only saw the trailer. And then there was a backlash from, not from libs, it was from conservatives who said,

how dare you hunt me down? You think, like, do you get the point of the movie? Yeah. Well, even Trump came out. Trump, that's right, Trump came against it. Even I came out. And my point was, I think we're in too divisive of a time to be making a video where liberals are kidnapping and hunting down conservatives. They might think it's like a nice movie.

It's a plan. Yeah, right. So I was like, I don't want to see that thing. And then I did. And it was, as I would say, it's actually not partisan. It's good. There was like, it made fun of everybody. Yeah.

And I'll say this about Falcon and Winter Soldier. Maybe it's good. and the feelings of racism in an interesting way. So I think there's a lot of people who, I'll put it this way. To me, wokeness represents insulting, denigrating, beating someone over the head, telling them they're stupid or evil or wrong or privileged, whereas actual social justice, as I understood it, would be like someone calmly and explaining to you with respect how they feel when it comes to racism. Wow, so when you go woke,'s really you're going you're getting angry well and but you're but you're it's almost like if i was if i was going to insult you and say you're you know you're a stupid this person that person your identity that to me is like what we see with wokeness

it's this idea that white people have some kind of inherent badness to them or something that whiteness represents more like it's it's the most insane thing so you could take on social justice and be like i think you shouldn't be twerking for kids but if you start going you're an idiot for twerking for kids then you're becoming woke it's it's well there's there's a couple a couple things one i think a lot of wokeness is a quest for power, not a quest for compassion. Certainly, yeah. So you're wrong. Bend your knee or else I'll take your job away. Yeah.

Whereas what I see in the Falcon and Winter Soldier is, you know, there's one guy who, one of the characters seems to me to represent wokeness, animosity towards white people and the American flag. And the main character rejects that and says, no, I like this flag. I'm going to fight for this country. Well, you know, it's all negative. Everything you've just described is purely negative, right? Wokeness is this purely negative campaign.

And that's just the new term for political correctness. There's all sorts of terms. Part of what the left does is just change the terms all the time. So that's the new one. But it gets back to something that Karl Marx said, which is getting back to quoting Karl Marx every so often. Karl Marx, in a letter in, gosh, I forget the year, he called for the ruthless criticism of all that exists. And this was taken up later by radical Marxist theorists and a practical politician, Antonio Gramsci, in his construction of what you'd call cultural hegemony,

Western Marxism. This is taken up in the Frankfurt School in critical theory, which now we see the derivation of critical race theory. It's dominated the universities. That is the woke indoctrination comes from critical theory.

And once you get past all the pretentious jargon in these crazy theories, what is the theory? It's very simple. The theory is to criticize. It's the same thing Marx called for. It's just because guess what?

I've noticed this about bigots. My friend Andrew Klavan points this out a lot. Bigots are not always wrong about the other guy. They're just wrong about themselves. They're really good at criticizing everybody else, but they don't see their own flaws. Everything is susceptible to criticism. So it's a very, very easy sort of new pseudo-academic discipline. And there's no end to it.

It's just rubble that's going to be the end of it. I think one of the ways to look at it is I had a conversation with a bunch of Trump supporters over dinner when I was in – I think it was in California. This was during the Trump campaign era. I think it was maybe just after he got elected. And I was talking about historical racism. And immediately the reaction was like laughter and like, oh, yeah, yeah. And I was like, legit.

No, I mean it sincerely. I mean it seriously. No, I'm not joking. And then I explained to them like redlining and blockbusting. Where we actually have legit racist policies in this country that have a negative impact on communities of color into the modern era. But institutionally, we've actually made that all illegal. However, the remnants still exist.

And so the way I see it is when I treat people with respect and say, just hear me out on this because I want to understand you, you get respect back. That, I think think is totally fine. I actually have no problem with seeing that in a TV show. The issue is when instead of saying like, Michael, let me explain to you something about my experience. They say, you're a stupid white man. F you, you fascist. And like when movies are predicated upon berating and insulting you, that's get well, go broke. Well, you know, the late philosopher Roger Scruton pointed this out.

He said civilization thrives on forgiveness, on confession first, and then forgiveness. And when I confess that I've done something wrong, even if it's confessing historical wrongs at the national level, whatever, I sacrifice my pride. And when you forgive me, you sacrifice your resentment. And we have both sacrificed something that we cherish. That really means a lot to us. And that's the only way you can move forward. But if you're not going to get that, if you're going to have a whole culture permeated by resentment, where you get it every, you get it in school, you get it in sometimes as a matter of law, and you get it even when you want to relax and go to the movies and that's all you get. It's pride. Right.

Right. It's really interesting because I've had so many experiences where I've always been very confident in myself. I don't need to justify or validate myself to others. And so I just, you know, I don't. But there's a lot of people who are proud. They need others to know how good they are, how big they are. And it gets them in trouble. Well, you know, true humility does away with false modesty.

There are some, there's some people who can't take a compliment. That's just another form of pride, right? It's just a kind of, that's just the flip side of it. But, but true humility, you can say, yeah, okay, I did this right. This was all right. You know, hey, thanks, man. It's cool. Moving on, focusing on other things, trying to move forward.

In 2006, i decided to use youtube videos as a form of confession and i started making videos about my past and my history and the mistakes and the lies i've told and it allowed me to clear my mind i was able to start thinking full complete sentences and i had i can have a silent mind now you're a braver man than i am when i want to confess i go into a little black box with a scrim where I change my voice and stuff. That's very brave. I got ridiculed so hard for so many years. To this day,

I still get comments on those videos. They're all up online. Why'd you do it? If you don't mind my asking. Social experiment. I thought someone could. What would Jesus do with this technology? He'd prostrate himself to the humanity and beg them to come together. I tried that pride pride goeth before the fall yes i was like i remember that i gotta look that up i i think about that especially in the context of news all of these journalists

are so desperate for validation yeah their pride consumes them they won't admit that when they're wrong they refuse to be wrong and they'd rather win above all else. We need humility desperately. Yeah, but the problem is, because I agree, oh, if only we could do that and everyone would just confess and it'd be cool. But the problem is right now with cancel culture, which is a real phenomenon. It's a very specific phenomenon. It's a leftist phenomenon. When the left says, well, you know, in the 50s, conservatives canceled communists. Yep, we did. That was awesome. That's great. Every society has boundaries. But what's going on right now is that if you go wave the flag, the American flag,

or you don't go along with some woke fashion to castrate kids or something, then you lose your job. That is cancel culture. And if you in any way admit that you're wrong, let's say you actually legitimately do something wrong. I, on occasion, have done that. And I wish that I could apologize for that. You can't. Because the minute that you apologize, you're dead. They will never forgive you. You saw it with the guy who hosted The Bachelor.

You saw it with a number of other journalists sometimes. You're dead. So what do you have to do? You simply cannot enact that humility. Yep. It's an admission of guilt. It's an admission of guilt. And there's no redemption.

Yeah, I was in Hollywood as an actor, and after I started doing that, no one would cast me. They thought I was dangerous, which I was, because I would have called them out and destroyed that. You've got to keep the secrets, man. That disgusting secretive community I would have. And they knew that. Look at, you know, Harvey.

People do, they do forgive. But if you have a job that you can lose, you'll probably lose it if you go that route. If you try to be humble. If you work for yourself, you're in a much better position. And YouTube ads, you know, you can kind of work for yourself there i don't know i'm getting off on a tangent well you can you you can build a business but i i find it fascinating that uh the the left i think is consumed by pride yes i think that's that's a big factor and i think when you are you can't admit when you're wrong yeah and if you can't admit when you're wrong you can't

improve yourself will you ever notice this about stupid people is stupid people think that they're really, really smart and then smart people. The first thing you notice about smart people is that they're very aware

of how stupid they are and it's not false modesty. They're actually aware of it because maybe, I don't know, maybe the smart person met a smarter person one time and just kind of put it all

into perspective. It is a, it is a failproof rule of thumb. The loudest voices in the room who are... It's true. They are. They will never admit that they're wrong. You've really got to listen to people to discern that for yourself

because if a smart person says something that a stupid person doesn't understand, the stupid person will tell the smart person they're not making any sense and that they're the stupid. Right, so they don't. This is Bukowski. Bukowski. Bukowski. Yes. The problem with the world

is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence. See, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that book, The Big Bukowski. It's a great movie.

The Big Bukowski. Getting back to movies. Yeah, it's a great one. So what do we do? Do we just humiliate ourselves? No. Well, you don't want to humiliate yourself.

For humility, I mean. Yeah, but there's a difference. When you humiliate yourself, you don't want to humiliate yourself. You just... Well, for humility, I mean. Yeah, but there's a difference. There's a, you know, when you humiliate yourself, you no longer have any dignity. You're sort of offending your own dignity. When Christ says, for instance, love your neighbor as you love yourself. Well, if you hate your... If you truly hate yourself, then, you know, it's not going to be great for your neighbor. So there is a recognition of human dignity here.

I mean, that kind of explains a lot of leftism as well. A lack of self-confidence, a lack of understanding who you are. And that same level is translated to other people they also have no empathy or sympathy for. There's also, virtue and vice are real things. It's not just your opinion, man. They really are real things. And I do think there's a lot of shame. I mean, you know, all this shout your abortion nonsense or this slut walks or whatever is

the lady doth protest too much, me thinks. A little bit right. I mean, clearly something is gnawing at them. And I say this is at various times in my life, you know, I was an atheist for 10 years

and I acted like it. You know, you can really give yourself over more to just kind of doing whatever you want, vices and all this. There are other times when you try to avoid that and you try to tame your will down. And I will just tell you, it's better. There is a reason that people have long sought the virtuous life. And if you have a country that is just wracked by this shame and this guilt and this resentment, this anger and this self-hatred,

and they don't know what to do with that, it's like a powder keg. It's going to pop. Maybe we need, what was it called? Bushido? Was that the... Bukowski. Lebowski.

Lebowski. No, yes. What was that? Hold on. The ancient Japanese honor code? Yeah, Bushido. Sapuku. Lebowski. No, yes. Wait, what was that? Hold on. The ancient Japanese honor code? Yeah, Bushido. Sapuku is Sapuku. No, I'm talking about, like, honor.

Yeah, Bushido. You know, let me throw in a Star Trek reference while I get the chance. Oh, boy. You know, I absolutely am a huge fan of Star Trek. You a fan of Star Trek? I've never seen even a single property. In the original Star Trek, there were... You've heard of Klingons, I'd imagine. Yes, I have.

So the Federation is a united federation of planets. It's very much reminiscent of the idea of America with classically liberal values. And there are Klingons and, oh, they're enemies. When the next generation was made, which was, I think, 1989 or 88, 89 maybe,, maybe they all the trackers are going to be mad at me for not knowing the exact year. They they the show starts with the Klingon serving on board a Federation ship to show that in the time span from the first series to the second piece has been achieved. In the story, what happened was a distress signal was sent out by a Klingon colony that was being attacked by Romulans. Yeah. Aliens started attacking, killing women and children.

The Federation enterprise of its era went in without help, and they all died trying to save their enemies. And the Klingons saw that as a great act of honor because they're a culture of honor and warriors, and so that's what ignited a peace agreement. I just bring that up because that story really that story is so awesome this amazing writing yeah about how how honor actually like what it really meant and that you had this war like warrior race that watched these you know classically liberal federation types say like we're going we're probably going to die

yeah but we want to save our own enemies i think back to these stories about batman and superman refusing to kill at all costs because it was it was it was about what was true to them what was what was right and what was honorable and now we have a moral framework yeah in wokeness that's built upon just having power which means they will sacrifice you they will they will they will they will figuratively burn you at the stake because they want power. There's no honor. But honor doesn't – it couldn't possibly exist because we're actually told these two contradictory frameworks, right? These two contradictory anthropologies, one of which is we're meat puppets and all of these metaphysical things like honor, love, joy, dreams, it's all just delusions.

It's just synapses firing in our brain. It's just a joke, right? So that's one story we're told. Then we're told the total opposite story, which is that Gnostic story, that actually the ultimate reality is just my innermost self. That is whatever I want,

whatever I perceive is reality. But there too, there's no such thing as honor. It's just my willfulness, as you say. And I think part of the reason they tell us to believe in both of these contradictory ideas at the same time is what Orwell described as doublethink. He says doublethink. The thing about doublethink is it makes you unwilling and unable to reason because you've got to hold the two contradictory ideas at the same time. But both

of them exclude the real world that you're describing, which is, oh, there's something beyond my will. There is such a thing. And we can deny it all we want. But, you know, I recognize it when I see it. There's such a thing as honor. Now, let's break down, you know, the connection. Batman won't kill. Superman won't kill.

They've had their stories where they have, for sure, but the general idea. And why it was the story was written. I'm not saying that klingons are real it was written by people in the united states who believed in the value of it imagine you have a moral framework framework that understands honor in this the batman won't kill the joker yeah excellent writers have explored what happens when you have people with no honor meeting people with honor and in one of the one of the storylines in uh in the dc universe is that the joker poisons superman and then detonates a nuclear device killing millions and superman has a psychotic break where he says if you just killed him this would have never happened if you choose to sacrifice yourself to save your own enemy and they don't share your morals they'll laugh as you do it and then slit your throat once once you've saved them they you will you will pull

them up from the cliff because you're the good guy with honor who says i must save even the bad guy and then as soon as you do they'll try and push you off the edge so you have people in the united states right now i being a fan of star trek and these stories of batman and these these you know there's just stories for kids but it inspired me and it made me understand what was honorable and moral. That means I'm not willing to lie, cheat, or steal. But it means the other moral framework of might makes right from the woke, they absolutely will.

Especially during times of war. If you look at the British in the Revolutionary War, for instance, the British were fighting in lines, standing up out in the open honorably and the and the americans were hiding in the woods stealing lying it's sending false orders that is mostly a myth there it really was a lot of the same thing the like meeting on battlefields i guess we did adopt some guerrilla tactics yeah to enhance your point lying cheating and stealing was george washington's forte like he was that is an outrageous calumny no i disagree with that i'm sorry he was a spy he would send false orders and lie and confuse the army's used spies as all armies do he was a master george washington is one of the most virtuous men who has ever walked definitely but

he was a killer he was a killer but he was a killer, but he was a justified killer. And I mean, I think this is what we're getting at here, which is the honor of it all means, well, you say, okay, I want to be honorable, but then if my enemy doesn't recognize that honor, he's going to slit my throat, and what a fool I am, he's going to laugh at me. Yeah. But it's... But we still do it. And you have to recognize, you can't fake it, I guess is what I'm saying. It's very popular right now, I've noticed, in the kind of center and some disaffected liberals and on the right to say,

man, all those old things we used to have like dignity and honor and religion and all, you know, I know that that's good. But I can't bring myself to believe in it. Douglas Murray says this a lot, the British writer. He'll say, look, I'm a Christian atheist. You know, basically, I think it's good, but I can't bring myself to believe in it. And the thing is, I sympathize with these people who know that it's a good thing,

but they can't bring themselves to actually believe in it. You can't fake it. You actually have to believe that there is an objective moral order, that the Joker, he's going to he's going to get his just desserts he's going to get his comeuppance maybe not in this life but in the life to come that that there actually is a an objective good it's not just a sort of nice social thing that we all agree on to have a good society because if you just pretend then i think

when it comes down to it the real rubber meets meets the road, it's going to fall. We're about to jump to super chance, but I want to tell you my kind of, I don't know, I don't know what you'd call it, religious view or so. So first, I absolutely believe in God. And I think one of the challenges a lot of people have when it comes to the idea of God is that they have, I guess, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but a child's view of what God would be. Yeah.

Big man in the sky. Exactly. Yeah. As opposed to a force beyond human imagination. Like you can't even conceive of what. Outside of time and space. Which, by the way, not to interrupt, but if God is to exist at all, he must, in his fullness, be incomprehensible.

Because if you could cram him into your little head, he just, by definition, wouldn't be God. Exactly. So I think that's the first mistake people make, in that they assume when people talk about God, it's a guy with a beard sitting on a cloud. And I'm like, a child would imagine it, or a comedian would depict it. So I definitely believe in God. But I think this, you mentioned, we have to view that you we have to believe that joker will get his comeuppance yeah there's something else that drives me to

in all this i started thinking about this a while ago about what's the point of life what is what why is why is life i can't tell you um because it's a great philosophical question that i don't think you know we are but small little meat. I could give you an answer. Yeah. To know God and enjoy him forever. It's from the catechism. So from my understanding of philosophy, the things I have read, the things I think, I understand that view, especially having grown up Catholic. But I started to think about I need a function, right? Like let me try and look at the universe to what we claim to know about it.

And we certainly don't know much. And a lot of these ideas are probably wrong. That's what science does. It gets things wrong and then improves upon them later. And I started thinking about entropy and negative entropy. And I started thinking about what life does, organizing free energy into complex systems from the most rudimentary of self-replicating proteins to single-celled organisms to multi-celled organisms to beyond that with ecosystems where at first you

have a multicellular organism consuming free energy and literally converting it into a replica of itself and expanding and having more and more kids and then eventually you know 10 fish becomes 100 fish they're converting those particles into fish. They're organizing things. They're creating. Eventually, you get abstract creations like an ecosystem where beavers start manipulating their environment and then, you know, an acorn falls and a squirrel plants it for the winter but forgets where it is and then a tree grows. Then you get humans who start creating complex systems in the abstract, languages, ideas.

They start mapping the universe. I thought to myself, creation, but not in the sense that we can create because we can't. We can only change things. We're pro-creators. Yeah, we're not actual creators. So I think, to me, what I find to be the simple driving factor in all of this is that we are a force for good. And what is that good?

It is to fix things, to protect things, to organize things, to grow things, to learn things. And that's the most simple way I could ever see it, that we organize, we organize. It's the most rudimentary way to look at it. However, think about what's good and what's bad. Killing is wrong. It horrifies people. It's the most, one of the most evil things a person can do. Having children is one of the greatest things a person could do. And so I think about why I would oppose the Joker is because he destroys. He hurts and he causes detriment. The one thing I see life doing is creating, procreating, developing, and that's what we should strive to do.

Well, what you've just given is not a simplistic answer. I mean's a simple answer but it's not a simplistic one you're you're saying that you think that the purpose in life is to pursue the good that that is just obviously true i mean you know and and you know i'm when i give the answer that it's to know god and enjoy him forever that's just a more elaborate version of that answer right which is that the good the true and the beautiful as the transcendentals of being or have some sort of relation to one another and the ultimate expression of that is in God. But your answer is totally right. I think – I have to complicate it though because in order to grow children, you have to kill and consume.

So destruction is a part of this organization. In order to have negative entropy, you must create more entropy. But we are, I think, I think I agree with you in that what we are doing as a species is we are getting to the best of our ability to try and know God. Yeah. I think, in my opinion, we are here because God wants us to protect and create and grow. And through our expansion of knowledge and philosophy and understanding, we are coming to know and create and grow. And through our expansion of knowledge and philosophy and understanding, we are coming to know God better and better. Have you guys seen Chimatics in action?

Have you ever seen Chimatics? No. It's when sound vibrates a membrane with rice on it, and the rice will vibrate. And that's, I think, what God, this universal vibration is like making our bodies behave a certain way. I don't know if fate is real. I don't know how you feel about fate and way i don't know if fate is real i don't

know how you feel about fate and free will and if we're just well i think providence is real and free will is also real and that's a complicated uh you know situation but yeah surely there is there is a an order to things and there is a providence and an unfolding of reality let's put a tack in this and we'll do the the bonus segment because we can go a lot longer because we we do have to do super chats. Yeah. A lot of people have questions for you, Michael. Right.

But then we can do a – this is going to be a fun conversation. I'm going to take all of Michael Malice's questions on that super chat. I don't care how many come in. I want them all. Michael Malice's? Yeah. All right. We got Jordan Jones.

He said – oh, if you haven't already, get your super chats in. We'll read as many as we can. Smash the Like button. Become a member at TimCast.com. We will have a bonus segment coming up. We're going to talk about philosophy, God, probably DMT. A lot of DMT. Am I on the Joe Rogan show? Hold on. Smash the like button. Become a member at TimCast.com. We will have a bonus segment coming up. We're going to talk about philosophy, God, probably DMT. A lot of DMT.

Am I on the Joe Rogan show? Hold on. Is that? Yeah. Hold on a second. But it's Ian's influence. Yeah. Let's talk about it.

All right. We'll do that. So go to TimCast.com, sign up, and let's read some super chats. We've got Jordan Jones. He says, Michael Knowles, I'm still subscribed over to The Daily Wire

almost entirely because I enjoy your content. All right. I'm triggering libs and doing what you do. Be dapper. Thanks, man. You hear that, Ben, by the way? That was a subscriber only there for me. Don't you tow my car in the parking lot. You know, I enjoy the triggering of libs and cons.

They're huge. They're great. I think people who get triggered, Ben is really good at not being triggered. And that's enjoyable when Ben rolls with the punches. And you've got to do it. So trigger away. Yeah. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Threadian says, Michael, I bought your first book for our white elephant exchange a few years ago, and it was a monstrous hit. Thank you. You know, it is funny with the blank book. It's called Reasons to Vote for Democrats. A comprehensive guide. It's totally blank. And I just did it to irritate my Democrat friends and relatives. I thought I'd sell like 20 copies or something. But the fact is, much like Thucydides, it is not for the applause of the moment. It is an eternal contribution for all time. It remains true every single year. Truer and truer by the year. So thank you. I'm glad it was a hit. I know you just bragged to Ben, so I'll read you this one. Rampton says,

can y'all have Andrew Klavan next time instead? Real nice. Good night, everybody. Hey, you chased my guest away. All right, here we go. 3D Pyromaniac says, let's see how long until Knowles plugs his newest book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order on Amazon, at least until they find out what it says.

Wow. That sounds like a very... Could you repeat the name of that book? That's so interesting. I don't even need to plug it. I've got all these wonderful people. What's it called? It's called Speechless.

Speechless. Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. It's available now for pre-order. Oh, very cool. I heard. On Amazon, right? Until they ban it, yeah. Speechless. Because we have

the best audience of any podcast. Yes, of course. Andrew Yu says Star Trek Next Generation, Season 4, Episode 21, Drumhead. Picard has to stop a witch hunt on the Enterprise. Fits so close to what the left does based on politics. For real, man. And what you need to understand about

The Next Generation is that it was just written by a bunch of dudes in the late 80s and early 90s in america who held these values and were and were explaining to them to people it's amazing man what a what a great show basically the show is someone's accused i think this is what he's accused of is this the one where they accuse the guy of being a spy then they go, they want to prosecute everybody and it's just lock them all up because they're spies. Papa Bear says, Tim, big fan. I'm a veteran, libertarian,

and West Virginia native. Wokeism is in our universities, although there are still some intelligent professors. That's true, man. That's true. It's only getting worse. What is going on with this?

Eli Wood, are you guys having the Daily Wire people send super chats or something? What are they doing? What's he saying? I can't wait to see how many times Michael will plug his new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order during tonight's show. So I will say, so my book. Your audience, man.

So I've really conditioned them like Pavlov's dog. I love it. I have because, so my book doesn't come out for two months. They're actually one of the big tech companies is, yeah, but they're already kind of messing with the publisher's advertising campaign. So I started,

I knew this might happen, so I started plugging it. Seriously, I started plugging it like three months out. Ah. But it's not just, I'm not smooth about it. I am,

I mean, we're talking like frying pan over the head. So they actually, the producers on my show, created a little bing, a little bell every time I do it. And, you know, if I do it like four times, like the screen starts to shake, you know, the universe starts to fall apart.

So it's, yeah, it's a Pavlovian reaction. I see that. It's working great. So everyone's now super chatting so that I read and plug your book for you. Beautiful. Man, that's great. All right.

I'll Fight You Naked says, I wrote a piece on Medium called Letter to a Woke Heart. You can cite all the facts and statistics, but that rarely makes a difference. However, if you can tell a story that shows the end of the road they are going down, you have a chance. Yeah. The issue is, you know, I worked for these nonprofits.

Not only did they train me how to convince someone of your political ideology very quickly and very easily in a matter of minutes on the street with someone you've never met before. I was also particularly good at it just on my own. But the problem I had was one day it was when Deepwater Horizon happened. They gave us our talking points, and I was reading about this and i was like man this is bad and i'm standing on the street and i was talking to a guy and i cited a number and he goes that's not true and i was like no no no yeah yeah it's it's like this many gallons are spilling this right no it's not and then he pulled up his phone and he's like no it was it's it's you know it's this many number and i was like oh i'm sorry i must have had the wrong fax it's like you're coming you're coming

out you're trying to lie to me to get to make me give you money and i was like, oh, I'm sorry. I must have had the wrong fax. He's like, you're coming out here trying to lie to me to make me give you money? And I was like, I'm sorry, dude. I had no idea. Someone must have given me something wrong. My apologies. And he's like, yeah, whatever. And he walks away. Called the office.

And they were like, don't worry. Just keep saying it. Oh, no. And I was like, nah. You mean to tell me you had me lying out here? Wow. And so I got really mad. I thought I was doing something good.

I thought I found a job where I was like I was going to help. And then it turns out I was helping their bottom line instead. Yeah. Well, because if the number that they gave you is a more persuasive story, well, that's all they care. Right? It's like CNN. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it might have been.

Were you working for CNN at the time? Right. No, but we did fundraise like basically a block away from them. Did you really? Yeah, this was when I was out in L.A. And then I was just like, yeah like yeah man this is not legit and i'll tell you this if i wanted to if if i felt the ends justified the means yeah oh man i there'd be no question i'd get whatever i wanted the problem is there there are no ends yeah it's you know it's the question of um you

know once you stage your glorious revolution how will you protect your how will you protect from the next glorious revolution yeah you think you're justified using violence deception and manipulation today then why would you stop doing it tomorrow well it's perpetual you know fidel castro when he's 92 years old he's still wearing the military fatigues like it's still the Cuban Revolution 50 years later. Do you think that, like, along the lines of that last guy super chatting, that you, in order to help people, you're trying to explain a potential end to the road that is disastrous to warn them?

I don't know. I don't know if that's enough. Maybe this, like, Falcon and Winter Soldier thing will move people away from Antifa. Yeah. Yeah. No. And I mean it because maybe what people need to realize when they're like, oh, it's woke.

It's really bad. Maybe from a conservative perspective, it's got too much social justice. It's like, oh, you know, racism and whatever. But maybe to somebody who's been beaten over the head by the wokeness, you open the door by showing them something they can relate to. Hey, racism is bad. You know, look, the cops are bad. And then you have the villains literally be antifa yeah and then they're going to be like captain america can stop you i believe in america and the american flag it's also don't forget the left

it's not that the left loves antifa they recognize antifa is a very dangerous thing that wants to burn it all down so they just use them they're the sort of tactical military wing i think i heard you describe it this way i heard someone describe it way, that Antifa is effectively the militant wing of the establishment. But you've got to rein it in sometimes. When they're causing more harm than good, you've got to rein them in. And maybe now they're kind of like, okay, you know, we had Antifa for a few years. It helped us with Trump. And now we're going to maybe tone it down a little bit and cut them off and kick them out.

Yeah. We'll see how that plays out. All right. Chris Pivoto says, as you often say, FB knows when we use the bathroom or other tracking ideas. Would the government seriously touch Section 230 if shared our info? In the wild, it's easier for the prey to hunt the weakest in packs as people are socially divided and preoccupied. I don't know what you mean. Would they touch Section 230?

Maybe, are you saying that as long as Facebook is allowed to operate with impunity, they can steal our information? Or if they share it with the government? Yeah. Oh, right, if they share information with the government, then they're going to protect their rights to keep doing it.

Yeah, well, there clearly is a partnership between these big tech firms and the government. I actually asked Bill Barr this question when he was AG. I said, all right, you're going to go after Section 230? He said, all of the above, fraud, Section 230, all sorts of things. That's how we have to go after it. I said, okay, so why aren't you doing it?

And he said, there is a procedural difficulty here, which is that you'd be using different departments of the federal government. Even within the DOJ, you'd be using different departments, and we've never done something like this before, that the big tech companies are a new thing. That's why they've been able to do whatever they want. And the government is not particularly good at taking on new challenges. And it's especially not good when it's benefiting in some ways from these challenges. And so it kind of left me a little crestfallen and pessimistic about it because I don't see the incentive

and frankly, I don't even see the ability of these bureaucrats and DOJ officials to take them down. Right on. Turk Longwell says, Tim, as a patriot,

as a Marine vet, as an American, I loved the last episode of Falcon and Winter Soldier. It's about being an American, not skin color. I completely agree. I was so stoked

when he was like, I'm going to wear this flag and go beat up these, you know, open borders, you know, black clad individuals who think they can do whatever they want. All right.

Opossum says, Oh man, I was hoping the Daily Wire guest was going to be Matt Walsh. I saw some of that. Hold on. How do I do my, I'll do my best

Matt Walsh impression. Just ask me anything. Two plus two equals? What's two plus two equal? Four. Yeah. That's pretty much Matt. Yeah.

Totally. Matt happy. Super cranky. Matt sad. Matt angry. I watched the Candace Owens first day thing. Stay out of my way. All right.

Evil zombie hamster says, what's Rachel Maddow doing on the show? Real nice. I thought it was going to be someone from the Daily Wire. JK, love you, Michael. I listen to you almost every day.

You're very kind. I left my Warby Parkers at home just to avoid that mistake. I do love how they're paying to insult you but also tell you how you look. I'll take it, man.

Other jokes, yeah. I know. I either get people paying to promote my book or to call me a lesbian on msnbc i love it that's your joke you start come and take them says tim i sent a chat last week re my film 10k investment in timcast production multiple creators looking for help but haven't received a reply via spin the UFO. Apology for the indelicacy but had the follow-up. Hope y'all are well. Pitches at TimCast.com is now the email and just keep in mind for

everybody, we get a ridiculous amount of emails and we just try to go through them. But you also gotta understand, a lot of people send bad emails. A lot of people send really great ones and we gotta sift through it and figure out what we can and can't do. A lot of people send, like, bad emails. A lot of people send really great ones, and we've got to sift through it and, you know, figure out what we can and can't do. A lot of long emails, a lot of not-so-nice emails. Yeah, that too, yeah.

All right, let's see. The Fulcrum says, Tim, did you see Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo the other night? They straight-up take the side of the cop in the Columbus shooting. They did, yeah. Lemon even says, tasers don't always work. Blew my mind. There was even a moment where Chris Cuomo said, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. And Don Lemon goes, no, no, that's not true.

You can. And he goes, Chris, you're a lawyer. You should know this. And he's like, no, you can't do that. And Don Lemon, I'm like, wow, Lemon's correct. You can yell fire in a crowded theater. Don Lemon does this thing where if you look at Don Lemon from like seven years ago, he was defending Bill O'Reilly sometimes. Don Lemon was much more moderate.

And as with all those guys at CNN, I think they just, for a while, they said, okay, you got to go far left. And what do they do? They go far left. Go dance. Pulling the go dance you know they're pulling the strings you know sad and bob says two of the three people i listen to daily wow i have crowder's mug michael's tumblr tim when will you release your drinking vessel p.s there's a tim pool discord well moderated find on reddit love you both and uh both and crew actually i don't i i think there is already a timcast mug available if you go to the store but it's it's i think the only thing you can get is i made this little drawing a couple years ago of the uh illuminati pyramid with these that it's the um

the slogan for the u.s office office of censorship toppled over and it was just like a little piece of art i made and i was like oh i'll slap on something. But I do think we have a mug that's about to come out and it's an Ian mug. And it's the Drake meme of Ian and there's an alligator underwater and Ian's like, no. And then there's an alligator on land and he's like, yes.

Don't fight an alligator underwater. Because we were talking and we were talking about getting dragged on Twitter and then Ian said... Don't fight an alligator underwater. You want to... Don't play their game. Don't get in the mud. That's true.

That's a good point. But Ian was like, these people on Twitter, you'll be talking about a serious idea. And then all of a sudden they'll change the subject and try to insult you. And then Ian just goes, yeah, you don't want to fight an alligator underwater. And I was like, that's an excellent analogy. So we're going to have a mug of, you know. You can drink fresh coffee out of that. That's really strong. But we might. We'll that. That's right. That's really strong.

But we might. We'll see. We'll see. That's the old advice about don't wrestle a skunk. Because even if you win, you're not going to smell great. Yeah. Sock Puppet Joe says, can you guys get Coleman Hughes on the show? Oh.

Maybe. If Coleman wants to come on the show. I've actually interviewed Coleman Hughes in the past. So perhaps. Brandon says, Michael, I've been listening to your show since it first aired back when I wasn't sure where I stood politically. Thanks for helping inspire the patriotism and values in me to join the USAF. Best decision I ever made. Man, that's awesome.

Cool. Well, thank you for your service. I was afraid it was going to say, you know, I've tried to figure it out by listening to your show. And now I joined Antifa. So thank you, Michael. And now I joined Antifa. So thank you, Michael, for you. I realized I hate you. TWX rated says Tim is controlled opposition.

Well, I am certainly not controlled opposition, but I am fully self-aware of the issue of the shift in the Overton window and why YouTube likes the idea that they have a channel like mine. I think that... I keep saying the CCP. I don't know. I don't know. But I think they have sock puppets that comment, that try to sway your mind as a YouTuber or as a public opinion

so that you, without even realizing it, start to repeat talking points. So maybe we're all being... I also know there is a recording device under the beanie. I do know for a fact Tim is a Fed. I know that. On the back of my head is a little dish yeah you never see his back on film but yeah no one's ever seen it no it's true uh Thomas Cutler says Michael Knowles Ben Shapiro let you out your stuff is awesome keep up the good work thanks man I appreciate

I know I have to sneak out although it's it's much easier these days you know Ben is spending more time in Florida and the land of the free. And now I get to be in Nashville, which I guess is also kind of the land of the free out there. We're all in a way better mood ever since we got out of Mussolini's hellhole. Oh, nice. Michael Brogan says, holy S, it's Michael effing Knowles. That's it. That's the super chat plug.

Speechless, controlling words, controlling minds. Ping, ping, ping, plug, counter. That was, that's my favorite comment. Not only from this show, from weeks, from weeks of my show too. What you have done with your show and your audience to plug this book is genius. Because now you come on my show and they're making me promote your book. Man, that is great this is what like why why do we have a marketing department at the daily wire i don't i want to

start getting their salary too i'm gonna just memeify your marketing by having people really though really the viewers should be getting the salary they're doing all the marketing yeah that'd be incredible then they can have more super chats it's a nice and then i guess hey abby long says michael now that tim has sponsors i'm sure he'd like to learn from the best how to seamlessly transition. Yours are like sneaky ninjas. That's what I say. Wow, that is really nice. You know, one thing you need to do is you need to practice and you need to study, but no one has any time.

So one great way to study is through the Great Courses Plus, which you can actually get right now with promo code Knowles. Get a W-L-E-S. Oh, my gosh. You just did it. I hope that they give me credit for an extra plug. That's actually pretty impressive. You know, they do it by the read. So I'm going to talk to the department.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See what you can do. That's good. There you go. That's how it's done. S, what is this, Sklizbot? That's awesome. Michael, if you had one cigar to smoke before your time comes, what would it be?

It would be a Partagus 2008 15 Anniversario La Casa del Habano Special Release. That's what it would be. Are those available for purchase in the United States? They are not. They're not available for purchase. Not only are they contraband. They are not available anywhere. Rolled on the thighs of virgins. That's what they say.

Yes. That's majestic. It's a great cigar. Joey Martinez says, Ian, I am What did they say? Yes. Wow. That's majestic. Sprayed cigar. Joey Martinez says, Ian, I am sorry for being hard on you. It's not your fault you have white privilege and can't pick up what Tim lays down. Dude, I had to leave out. One of my friends in LA told me we were in an argument about Hillary Clinton and the email scandal and everything. And he was like, you have white privilege.

And I didn't know how to respond. It was like I felt betrayed by my friend. I gave up on the LAF. So because you knew a bunch of facts, that's why... So the white privilege is like knowing things? That seems very bigoted. It was so weird. I could not defend it.

It was the weirdest thing to be told that I had white privilege by someone. I don't know if I... I'm kind of swarthy. I don't know if I... Do I count? I don't know if I can. I'm kind of swarthy. I don't know if I do. I count. I don't know. It's the Italian question. Yeah.

It's plagued racialists for decades. All right. Bottled water says won't lie. And my fans know I struggle with addiction. My mom died last year and my channel is my escape. I see my falls. I know my failures, but I try it. Right on, man.

I'm sorry to hear that about your mom. It's a very, very difficult thing to go through. I'm trying to think, you know, my mother also died when I was young. And I don't know, I was like an atheist at the time. I didn't have any addictions or anything like that. But, you know, I didn't have like a really coherent moral framework. And that's a very difficult thing. So I hope in some way, you know, I do hope that you can come to not, you know, not just a wishful thinking or wish casting as you arrive at a moral framework or some understanding of the world. C.S. Lewis has a good line about this.

He says that if you look for truth, you might find comfort in the end. But if you look for comfort, you'll find neither truth nor comfort, only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin and in the end despair. So I think if you look for truth, hopefully you'll get a bit of comfort out of that. Right on. Bubbles FTW says Knowles, you're awesome. Loved Another Kingdom. Thanks to you and Drew for that. Can you recount your argument to

the walnut brains who think a regulated militia means the state should regulate? Oh, that's good. Man, I thought we were going down in another kingdom question and then then we'd get to... Yeah, well, the well-regulated militia would obviously have to be an antecedent to the state, right? Because if you've got this well-regulated militia, where's the militia getting the arms from? Where is the militia getting its organization from? Especially in the case of the revolutionary era?

So you're saying we should embrace the left's argument on the well-regulated militia because it means the government has to give everyone guns. Yes, like Switzerland, actually. Yeah, that's wow. Man, thank you for the question. Thank you for the point. I'm going to take this argument way further. We need such regulations that I want like two M60s delivered to my door every year. I'm not kidding when I say universal health care.

Okay. Well, universal guns as well. So we'll need a Department of Gun Services regulated by the government where you can walk in, and as soon as you're 16, they've got your choice of a handgun and long gun. And you get one of each as well as a box of ammo for both. Now, I do think there should be a very simple test, like with driving tests, but not an identification system. Obviously, you've got to go in with your ID or whatever to prove who you are

so you can get the gun. But that would be racist. But then there would be gun suppression, specifically in the black community. You're right. You can't have that. You should be able to walk in and say, one gun, please. There it is. Convinced me. You're right. Can't have that. Okay. You should be able to walk in and say one gun, please. There it is. Convinced me.

You think I'm joking. I used to be kind of like middle of the road on 2A. I was like, no, I understand why we have it, but I think, you know, I've seen some arguments about common sense, gun reform, and then I had some real conversations, and I was like, okay, yeah, I was definitely wrong about that. So long as Second Amendment exists, it must be respected in all its forms. Then the riots happened, and I was like, I would like 150 BMG, please. Yes.

Can I get a couple of those bullpup shotguns? And how many guns can I legally buy right now? All of them? I'll take them all. I noticed it, too. You know, when I was single, I was, like, cool with guns, but I didn't really care that much. Then I got married, and I thought, okay, yeah, I'd like to have a gun, just, you know, in case my wife gets out of line or something.

No, no, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, did you say a gun? Yeah, well, this was the issue, because I, you know, I was just testing the waters. I said, I want to be able to protect my family, but, you know, it's just me and my wife, whatever. We were living in an apartment. Then I have the kid, and we moved to a house because we moved to Tennessee, and now I'm just like, like, here is the wallet.

I want all the guns. You need a good couple hundred. Yes, at least, just to be safe. No, I think I'm obviously joking about – but I love how these – it's not leftists. Leftists love guns. They quote Marx all the time about it. It's these urban uppity liberals who are very anti-gun yeah and they all gloat to each other about gun nuts and i'm like dude

i don't take guns that seriously i have a bunch because it's like a metal tube yeah it's not it's not going to jump up and attack you by the way yeah it's also well they refer to the you know the gun nuts and all these crazy people and then they they say things like, you know, yeah, he had a 200-round clip in his fully semi-auto. And they just have no idea what they're talking about. But were they nuts? Do you think that teaching kids or like 16-year-olds how to build a gun, maybe 3D print parts and construct a gun and then fire it and learn how to fire it would make them more likely to commit criminal acts with a gun?

No. No, no. Then I think we should put it in shop class. Absolutely. Totally. 100%. That's a good idea. There are people walking around every day with guns and you don't know it.

The amazing thing to me is that people, the reason states like New Jersey and Maryland only allow concealed carry is because I guess people would freak out or something. But what that means is when you're in a state as restrictive as New Jersey, there are people all around you all the time carrying guns and you don't know it. Yeah. And it's like, you're not being shot. The key isn't, I don't, I don't like, I wouldn't make it the number one priority to teach the kids how to, how to like 3d print a gun because I want them to have a higher quality gun too. But the real key is I need them to know how to use a gun just to be safe,

just to be safe around my guns and just to be safe around other people. I was watching Jack Reacher the other day and he walks up to a car, he hits the guy, gun just to be safe just to be safe around my guns and just to be safe around other people i was watching jack reacher the other day and he walks up to a car he hits the guy he takes his gun and then he just goes click click click and disassembles it and throws it and i'm like see a kid should be able to do that yes you'll depress you know pull the hammer or whatever off and just i felt phenomenally more confident after i fired gun i've only been to the range once but luke was showing me luke rakowski how toowski, how to load a gun, where the safety is, how you trigger it,

how do you arm it. And I feel just so much more confident as a human knowing that... You know what Homer Simpson says about this. He says that when you hold a gun, you feel like how God must feel when he holds a gun. Well, it reminds me of the Futurama episode.

You ever see Futurama? Yeah. It's the one where it's the what-if machine and lila goes to like basically the wizard of oz world then they go and meet the professor and uh fry you know walks up and then he's like for you a brain and then he's like why do people keep saying this but then uh zoidberg is the cowardly lion and he's like i want he goes, oh, who needs courage when you have a gun? And then he gives him a gun. And then Zoidberg's like, ah, ha, ha, ha. And he starts spinning it. He's like, pew, pew, pew.

Who needs courage? Well, I think that's how Joe Biden and many people on the left want you to warn off the bad guys. You just shoot it in the air like a Mexican gangster. Joy Mayhart said that. Yes. She was like, why did the cop just shoot the gun in the air? Because the bullet would come down and kill somebody. Have you ever heard of gravity?

Gravity is a big problem. They think the bullet goes to outer space. Yeah. And then it just keeps going. Yeah, I mean if it was that simple to launch things out of space, I tell you. Yeah. Alright. Christopher Knowles says, Michael, you and I share a name via my deadbeat grandfather. Coincidence?

JK, nothing but love. Don't ever stop what you do. You're doing the Lord's work. Lord's work. Graphene for the win. Wow. That is great. I actually can't, from the writing of that question, I can't tell if that was just a coincidentally a Christopher Knowles or if that is my actual cousin Christopher.

I'm going to say it's the latter, and here's why. My cousin is a legendary sort of guy. Very, very, this is a guy who knows his way around a firearm. And I hadn't seen him for a while, you know, and that one time I'm waiting to give a speech, and I walked in, I was walking to UPenn, and he just, like, comes out from behind a pillar or something. He's like, hey, hey, what's up?

Hey, hey. I was like, ah, man, I can't, where did you come from? I haven't seen you in a while. He's like, don't worry, I'll just be in the back, just want to see the speech, see you later. So I bet it's him. He's always kind of around. He's a hero. He is like, don't worry. I'll just be in the back. Just want to see the speech. See you later. So I bet it's him. He's always kind of around. He's a hero.

He is. He's a very impressive guy. Iron Price says, when's the next time Luke will be on? Luke abandoned us. He did. He left. It is unknown. He left.

I'd be reffed. Luke's motives are his own. That's true. Do you know Luke Rutkowski? I know. I don't. He runs We Are Change, and he's got his own website and YouTube and stuff. And he was here for a little while.

Everybody really loved him. And then he left us. And he's gone. He's gone. On to better pastures. He's in Florida. He is in Florida, yes. He is in Florida.

Bo Darville says, that's not Rachel Maddow. Well, you know, we overpromised, perhaps. How do you know? Have you ever seen us in the same room at the same time? No. Just lower your voice, and overpromised, perhaps. How do you know? Have you ever seen us in the same room at the same time? No. Just lower your voice and you can do either show. Dan says, I just want Michael to know that I had a really intense experience with edibles and watching compilations of him owning libs helped me through it.

Also, his hair looks great. That's an amazing super chat. It's like someone sitting there eating edibles like, this is getting crazy. I better watch Michael Knowles. Oh, he's on the libs. I have nothing to add to that. I'm just really pleased. Do you ever load up a bunch of videos of you talking at the same

time and listen to them all at once? I only watch myself. In my free time? Yeah, only. Of course. It'll change your life. I like to, after I record, I hit myself in the head so I forget everything I said and then watch it like it's new. You've got to do it.

You've got to watch eight of your videos and just start them all. My stuff, you can watch it on repeat, though. It never gets old. It's really, oh, it's just great. Yeah, my wife loves it. I'm sure. I don't want to play it on you. The Raptor's Talon says, Pride, the virtue, is about understanding that humans, while

capable of greatness, are only capable of so much. Pride, the sin, is the exaltation of self, the belief that you and only you are capable of greatness. That's a good way to put it. There's something to that. Inordinate love of one's own excellence, yeah. All right, I'm going to read it. Joseph Hoffman says, Michael, I'm looking forward to your new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order. Say the line.

Wow. Yeah, great. Bing. I'll make it worth it for Michael coming on the show. Right. Yeah. Man, I'm probably like number one right now on Amazon. I'll check after the show.

I'll check after the show. All right. We'll do a couple more because we're going a little over and we have a ton of super chats. I really appreciate you guys. Thank you, guys. I wish I could read everyone, but I can't. So we'll just do two more. Charlie in Charge says, this is for everyone.

What are your thoughts on changing your legal status to a secured party creditor, sovereign citizen, state nationalist, pros, cons? Are those things? Are those real? Sovereign citizen? Is that like you're declaring your emancipation from your country or something? I don't know. If that's what it means, I'm against it.

I love my country even though my country is driving me crazy your love of country is an extension of your love of your parents and you might maybe you got good parents maybe you got bad parents but your parents are your parents your kids are your kids and i could i could no more disavow my country than i could disavow my own family this is the best country on the planet yeah i'm open to the um the conversation and the like the logistics of that kind of thing, but I'm also kind of like, I like this,

the defensive structure of the United States. I mean, the legal structure for all its problems right now is still just like the best. It's a work of art. I suppose the prison system in Norway is better.

It's basically a hotel. All right. But there are also like, what, 8 million people or something? Yeah. We've got 330 million people. We've got things we've got to fix, man.

I'm all for prison reform, but I think this is still the best country on the planet. There's pros and there's cons for everything. I have no interest in going any other country at all right now, COVID especially. But I just have no interest. I love this country. Even when you go to countries that you like, I like Italy. I look Italian. Part of my family comes from Italy.

Most beautiful art in the world. Good food. Right? But I go to Italy. I've gone a handful of times. And after, I don't know, like five or six days, you just think. I'll give you an example. I was in Siena.

It was a nice old medieval town. And I go to the sandwich shop. The sandwich shop is called a paninoteca. Pan. It means bread. It's the first part of the word. Right? So I go. It's like noon. Go to the sandwich shop. The sandwich shop is called a paninoteca. Pan is the first. It means bread. It's the first part of the word, right? So I go. It's like noon.

Go to get a sandwich. It's closed. Why? I'm sitting there. I have a book. I'm just like, I'll just read. I'll wait. It probably is.

Okay. 20 minutes goes by. 30 minutes. 45 minutes goes by. The guy, he walks up. He says, now past my lunchtime. And I say, oh, good. Can I buy a sandwich now?

He goes, non c'est pas. There's no bread. I said, well, when can I? He goes, I don't know. I'm going to go out and get the bread. You can wait or you can go. I said, let me tell you. I want to give you my money.

I want you to give me a good and a service. They don't get it. America gets it much more. All right, this last one is a very serious one for you, Michael lex mccormick says michael i struggle with the silence of god i debate a christian co-worker often about god's absence in my life might might have you some insight for someone who is jealous of those with faith why can't i hear the burning bush it is an evil generation that looks for signs and wonders. It is a stupid generation that ignores signs and wonders. And a lot of people, you know, who are maybe going down the wayward path.

This happened to me, really, when I was, you know, in my full wayward youth and atheistic phase. Eventually, after the intellectual parts of it, of believing in God came through, after I was convinced about Christianity, only then did I start to have these sort of numinous experiences, which you call religious experience. And a lot of people feel really honored by that. And it is, in a way, if you recognize this sort of semiotic view of the world, all these rich and symbols. But also, you could read it as God looking at you and saying,

hey, buddy, hey, you stupid idiot. Hey, I'm right here. Why can't you figure it out? And so if you're not feeling the emotional presence of God all the time, okay, I'm sorry for you if you really need that for your faith. God's existence is true and permanent outside of the emotional feelings that you have. And it's not always going to be there, and it won't always be a way either. I think I told this, I guess it's sort of a joke yesterday about the guy in the flood. But considering what this question just was, maybe there's a lot of people who haven't heard it.

So I'm going to say it again, and we'll wrap up on this. But let me just tell you, it's a joke story, I guess. There's a man in his home, and the news comes on that there is a horrible storm coming. And he prays and says, you know, my faith in God will keep me safe. And all of a sudden, you know, a car pulls up. They run to the door. They bang on the door. Quick, we've got to get out of here.

The water is rising. It's going to start flooding. You've got to come with us. And he says, no, no, my faith in the Lord will keep me safe. And they say, no, no, no, don't be crazy. He refuses. They leave. The water rises.

He goes up to a second floor. He starts praying again. Then a boat comes to the window. And the guy says, quick, get in the boat. We're getting you out of here. We're going to save you. And he goes, no, no, I know that my faith in the Lord will save me. And they're like, you have to come.

And he's like, I believe in the Lord. It's fine. They leave. The waters rise. He climbs on his roof. Now he's praying. And a helicopter comes. And a guy's hanging from a ladder and he says, quick, climb up. We're going to save you.

And he goes, no, I know that my faith in the Lord will save me. And they're like, don't be crazy. You have to get in the helicopter. And he refuses. The waters rise. He drowns. He ends up in heaven and he goes, he sees God and he goes and he says, I don't understand. I had faith in you why

did you save me and he said i sent a car a boat and a helicopter and you wouldn't take it what am i supposed to do and i always thought that was a great great joke that people expect um too much of miracles i think they expect too much of signs and it's an interesting question about what you know to me what faith is because i am not theistic by any stretch of the imagination no church for me no bible and stuff but i will say this i have seen some stuff in my life it's undeniable when you see it it's undeniable and and you know someone told me something when i was younger you can't give someone an experience yeah and so you know i was hanging out with these uh these these these skater dudes that i knew they're very christian

and we're having philosophical conversations it was was amazing stuff. And they just said, I'm not interested in trying to justify my beliefs to you because like, I'll explain to you how I feel. I'll tell you what I think is true and because I want to help you, but I understand I can't give you the experience I had. And I'm like, I totally understand that. I can empathize. And then in my life, I've just seen things that to me have been profound and indicative of something greater. This is profound. I mean, just the fact that two saltwater monkey bodies are sitting here, verbal making communication. And I'm like, this is God talking to me through you, through your vibration in your magical brain things. That's the thing, right? When you talk about like magnetism and stuff,

it's easily just the mechanism of, mechanisms of God. And that I think there's a lot of people who have either a reductionist view or a very simplistic view. And they'll say something like, no, that's not a miracle. That's just the vibrations.

And it's like the mechanisms of God. Of all the things I've been called on this show tonight, saltwater monkey body. It's my favorite one. That is very vivid. I heard you have a book coming out. Yeah.

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You can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash timcast and youtube.com slash timcastnews. Michael Knowles, is there something you want to promote while you're here? Well, I don't know. I mean, I got a few things going on.

I do have this book, though. Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. It's available now for pre-order. We'll see how much longer, though. Ding! Yes!

What is it about, by the way? Well, you know, this and that. It's a lot about what we're talking about. I actually, I can give you a sort of brief description of it. It's a history of political correctness from 1920 to 2020. It is following the leftist intellectuals who brought us along.

I learned writing the book that the leftist intellectuals who created this thing called PC or wokeism know a lot more about free speech than we do and that we give them credit for. It breaks down why every step of the way we lost, in my humble opinion. And it does briefly sketch a way I think that we can move forward, which is to ditch this silly abstract talk about free speech absolutism, academic freedom, whatever, and start talking about real substantive moral visions that necessarily will include certain ideas and exclude other ideas. We need to take what the left is doing, which is immoral and unjust and wrong, and we need

to do the just, right, good version of that because they wield political power much better than we do. We'd love to have you back when it comes out. Thank you. And promote it and hold it up and we can talk about all those ideas. It'd be great. It'd be great. Thank you. Right on. You also, you have Twitter and Daily Wire. Yes, that's true. I was so focused on plugging the book.

I do, though. You can find me on Twitter, for now, at Michael J. Knowles. I do have my daily show at the Daily Wire, which is the Michael Knowles show. I also do a show at PragerU called The Book Club. I also do a show with Senator Chad Cruz called Verdict, which is super fun. And schedules are a little tough right now, but we're hopefully going to get some new episodes out

really, really soon. You can catch all that, basically, at the Daily Wire. But that's like one of the biggest podcasts in the world, I think. Yeah, yeah. I never thought, you know, especially for that first couple weeks, I love Senator Cruz. I really, really like and admire the guy. I'm just saying, I never

thought he could hit number one podcaster. There's a lot of good podcasters out there, you know. But I really, really like and admire the guy. I'm just saying, I never thought he could hit number one podcaster. There's a lot of good podcasters out there, you know? That's true. But I really love doing this show. I think he's bringing so much of behind the curtains of what's really going on there. So we've got more episodes of that show coming up, too. Right on. You can always follow me at iancrossland.net and at iancrossland on all social media.

Michael, this was great. Thank you, guys. First hour and a half just flew by. I know, right? I'm looking forward to talking more. And I'm Sour Patch Lids in the corner. I push buttons. That's my job.

You can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter. Join me in my quest to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids. We're going to go over to TimCast.com, which should be up in maybe an hour or so. But I have a feeling this conversation might go a little long. It's Friday night, and it's a really fun conversation. These are the conversations I love more than anything else, is like the deeper question. So, TimCast.com,

and we'll see you all there. Bye, guys.