Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #315 - John McAfee Got Epstein'd, Then Posts Crazy Image AFTER He Died w/Michael Knowles

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join friend and fellow podcaster Michael Knowles to discuss the recent unfortunate demise of John McAfee, the woke general who is now in charge of the US military, the recent 'Karen' movie trailer, the active threat of a social justice military, and the finer points of why conservatives lose the battles and what they can do to win the war, courtesy of Michael's book, "Speechless". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm at my friend Tim Pool's house, oh it's very, very fine. I'm at my friend Tim Pool's house, oh it's very, very fine. I'm here to sell my book, it's speechless, controlling words, controlling minds. Beautiful. Thank you. So this guy, Michael Knowles, shows up to my house, and he notices there's a guitar in the corner. And he was like, what's all that about? I was like, hey, go play it.

And then just like literally 30 seconds before about to go live, he writes that. And I was wait let's open with that have you play that song uh so there's news today big news outside of speechless by uh michael knolls your book john mcafee man poor guy epstein he you think so yeah there's no i think the conspiracy theory is that John McAfee killed himself in prison, right? That is the least plausible explanation. Well, definitely. I want to save it because this is going to be big, so we'll just do quick intros. But the long story short is McAfee has repeatedly said he would never take his own life. They're now reporting he apparently did.

He was about to be extradited back to the U.S. where he said they were going to get him. They were claiming he had crypto hidden and owed tax dollars he wasn't paying and now this now they're saying they found him dead and it's apparent suicide but we're going to go through the tweets the things he's posted and the actual conspiracy theory um plus some other news we got uh what is it general mark milley saying that white rage caused january 6th yikes and joe biden is going after guns again. He's going to be diverting, what is it, $350 billion from COVID funding into going after guns or something like that?

I mean, this is nuts. But I want to make sure I get the facts right, so we'll get to those stories. But as you may have already noticed, Michael Knowles is hanging out. He actually opened the show with a song. How's it going, man? It's going great. I am so exhausted because this is book week. So the Speechless came out yesterday, and they just send you on this tour.

I've been shilling this thing for six months, but now this is the week to do it. So I'm really glad we could get a little music going, kind of loosen up a little. Plus, I think we've already done enough shilling for your book personally on this show. I haven't yet, though. If I hit the bestseller list, it is because of you. It is this show that did haven't yet, though. If I hit the bestseller list, it is because of you. It is this show that did it. That's right. Because everybody was super chatting

something like, this latest news story has left me speechless, just like Speechless by Michael Knowles. Like, yep, yep. It was one of the smartest marketing campaigns, mind you.

You know, it was a brilliant marketing campaign that I never thought of. I guess you guys put together like a montage of me getting caught by the super chats and being like oh they got me. We'll definitely talk about all that

as well. We got Ian. Hey everybody. Ian Cross. What's up Michael? I'm so glad your book's out now dude. I want to hear all about it tonight. I'm excited. I'm done. I'm done with you. I've never said everything I have to say in here. Retirement looks good. Relax. I'm done with you. I've said everything I have to say. Retirement looks good. Relax. I am loving Tim Kass' musical.

I would like to make this a normal thing. Michael's skill is very much appreciated and I'm excited for tonight. Yeah, I was impressed. That was a good song. Top of your head. Right on. You know, these days I'm really branching out.

This is what Nancy Pelosi sold Obamacare. She said, you can just explore your head. Right on. You know, these days, I'm really branching out. You know, I think this is what Nancy Pelosi sold Obamacare. She said, you can just explore your arts. You can be a poet. You can be a musician. So that's what I'm doing. Boom. There you go. Perfect.

Don't forget. You can also go to TimCast.com. Become a member. We're going to have a bonus segment coming up at around 11 or so. And, of course, many of you may now know that Cassandra Fairbanks is officially coming on as the editor-in-chief. She's writing articles for us. They're amazing. Her work is absolutely brilliant.

We've got a handful of other journalists who are set to join very soon. The new website is launching very soon. We just hired our paranormal and unexplained writer who is going to be working on a series of articles that it's like news stories that we never quite understand. These are real. These are not, you know, creepy. It's not meant to be like supernatural in the sense that we believe in magic, but it's more so these are crazy stories that have never been explained that we want to explore. Plus, we're going to do a lot more. We got the vlog, as you know, and I will just shout out now, we're actually hiring a few

roles. We're looking for a video filmer and editor, as well as a building manager and a receptionist. So jobs at timcast.com, become a member. video filmer and editor, as well as a building manager and a receptionist. So jobs at TimCast.com, become a member. Let's jump into this first story, the one that no one believes but is being reported anyway. Wall Street Journal says, John McAfee, antivirus software creator, is found dead in Spanish jail. Notice the headline they used.

Many other networks are saying from apparent suicide or was found dead due to suicide. Not the Wall Street Journal. They say he's just found dead. Spanish court had ordered his extradition to the U.S. where he faced tax-related criminal charges. They say the Manhattan U.S. attorney's office also sought the extradition of Mr. McAfee in a separate criminal case. John was and will always be remembered as a fighter, said Nishay K. Sanan, an attorney representing Mr. McAfee, in U.S. criminal proceedings.

He tried to love this country, but the U.S. government made his existence impossible. Now I'm going to jump over to this article from Cassandra Fairbanks over at TimCast.com because she actually breaks down what makes this story so interesting. In Cassandra's article, she notes several tweets from McAfee himself. He tweeted once, getting subtle messages from U.S. officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you, McAfee. We're going to kill yourself. I got a tattoo today just in case. If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whacked. Check my right arm. And he has a tattoo on his right arm that says it's a dollar sign and whacked.

Shelton mentions a year before that tweet, he claimed, if I hang myself a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. The eccentric figure was arrested by Spanish authorities on October 3rd, 2020 at the El Prat Airport at the behest of the US government. He was wanted for evading paying millions of dollars in taxes. He was facing up to 30 years in prison. Here's another tweet from John McAfee who said, powerful people who commit crimes have only one enemy, those who reveal crimes.

And it's a photo of Julian Assange. And there's another photo for another tweet from McAfee where he said, I have nothing yet. I regret nothing. The U.S. believes I've hidden crypto. I wish I did. But it has dissolved through the many hands of Team McAfee. He says, and my remaining assets have all been seized.

My friends evaporated through fear of association. So this is what makes the story so interesting. Which is the more plausible conspiracy? Because no matter what you choose to believe, it's a conspiracy. Did McAfee kill himself? Well, that's a conspiracy. Someone killed him, right? Who did it?

Why? They're saying it was a suicide. Or I should say, if he did kill himself, that means everything he tweeted was an elaborate plot to manipulate people in the event he actually did or whatever, maybe change his mind. And if he didn't actually do it, then who actually killed the guy? So I'm just going to say this. People are saying he got Epstein. That's the verb they're using, which makes the assumption that what people think about Epstein.

And we all know that story. In this in this instance, I'm just going to say it. McAfee repeatedly said he would never kill himself. That means you would have to believe he set up an elaborate plot to manipulate everybody in the event he actually did. Because not only are they saying it is suicide when he said he wouldn't do it,

but after he died, we get this. Mike Rothschild says, John McAfee's final Instagram post, a giant Q q the post went up around 1 15 pacific time meaning he was likely already dead but he or someone else on his team knew exactly what to do to achieve maximum ish posting effect okay so what is it what's going on You know what this tells you? This tells you, forget about McAfee for a second. It's very sad that he died. Forget about whatever happened in Spain or whatever the crimes are. This tells you what people think about their own government right now.

The fact that we use Epstein as a verb tells you what people think about their own government. If this were an earlier era, say we're 100 years ago, some guy is found dead of suicide, the idea that the federal government would have killed him would be very outlandish to Americans. I actually don't think they would have had such distrust in their government that they would have said that. I don't know. You think they always would have? You know, one of the issues I often deal with is like a youth bias, right? So I grew up kind of, you know, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, believing in America.

I had a family that still taught me about, you know, like not just the, let's call it the colonial perspective. Not a woke family by any means, but, you know, very analytical one. And I believed in this country. And then I think back to, like, when I see all these political conflicts, I'm like, this is the worst it's ever been. but a very analytical one. And I believe in this country. And then I think back to, like when I see all these political conflicts, I'm like, this is the worst it's ever been. And then I'm like,

but I've heard about the weather underground. So I wonder if it really is the worst it's ever been or just the worst I've ever seen. In which case you think about, you know, certain civil rights figures who were killed. Yeah, Martin Luther King. I mean, there's a conspiracy. He actually, a civil suit was settled with his family. I think it was in 2001.

That the FBI? Yeah, some responsibility like that. I think it was the FBI or CIA, but somebody was, like, involved with his death, and his family got paid out by the government. I don't know a whole lot about it, so I don't want to wade too much into conspiratorial territory, but wasn't there, like, a letter sent to him by some fed telling him to kill himself or something like that? I don't know.

Well, you know, it's certainly the case that the federal government was keeping tabs on him as they were on many other radical figures. And in most of these cases, by the way, the simplest explanation is usually the one that I'll go with. So in the killing of Kennedy, there are a million theories on how Kennedy was killed. The communists wanted to kill him. A communist said that he killed him. And then we were told that a communist killed him and he was an anti-communist.

So I kind of go with it. You know, I kind of believe it. In this case, though, we have seen every single American such corruption from the federal agencies in just the last five years. The federal agencies being turned on a political opponent during the 2016 race to try to subvert that election. Then they continued to go after Trump after he was in office. Then the complete dishonesty that we've gotten from the federal government and the international community during COVID, during the lockdowns, changing the story every day, that this is a real political problem. When we assume that the federal government is just popping people off in prison and we just shrug our shoulders, what's going to happen with the McAfee story? Nothing. What happened with the Epstein story?

Nothing. We laughed about it. We turned it into a meme. To me, that is more distressing, actually, than any of these discrete incidents. We're in that dystopia. Yeah. And nothing's being done to get justice. The system is completely broken.

There's that story right now of this grandma who got a misdemeanor charge for the insurrection, which really does set a sledgehammer right to the narrative. Oh, some little old lady got a misdemeanor slap on the wrist for what you call an insurrection. Come on. They couldn't even get these people. But you look at still the lopsided prosecution of this, where in New York, it was just reported by the New York Post, hundreds of charges related to looting and rioting were dropped. The majority of charges in the Bronx and in Manhattan, the majority of them, completely dismissed. And then the other ones, by the way, where people are looting, where people are robbing,

pled down to trespassing, which carries no jail time. It's a very simple charge. January 6th, though, is an insurrection. These people got rotten solitary. If you put on the horn helmet and you go dance on Nancy Pelosi's lectern, that is a crime against humanity for which you need to go to Gitmo. Obviously, the double standard is preposterous. You think of this little old granny from the Capitol riot.

If she had just thrown a Molotov cocktail at a courthouse in Minneapolis, she'd get off scot-free. But there's obviously a massive double standard here. To be fair though, the ones they go after are actually the ones who target the government building. So like, in the instance of Portland, most of the ones, most of these rioters and looters who smash up small businesses

and punch cops, eh, no problem there. But, but, the ones who actually set fire to the police building, yeah, they're getting charged. Because that's the way it works. You go after the government, they throw the book at you. But you go after private citizens, they don't care. What is that phrase we keep hearing with January 6th,

the coup, the insurrection? The phrase we keep hearing is that this is a threat to our democracy. And I'm reminded of this point by Angelo Cotevilla. He's a scholar at the Claremont Institute who points out that the people who talk about our democracy tend to be referring to their oligarchy. They don't seem to be very democratic at all. I noticed John McCain started calling people friends. Yeah, friend friend in 2008 i think he was running for president of the eight 2008 yeah and he just kept saying friend and it was like i'm not your friend no one really is so cut it out yeah i loved it so uh i was one of those people that said you know sad to see john mccain

pass when he did but like literally like, literally every political quadrant of the political spectrum, there was a meme where it was like centrists were like, you know, I can pay respects in death. And the authoritarian left, libertarian left, libertarian right, authoritarian right were all like he was awful and evil and good riddance. But anyway, going back to the McAfee thing, I'm talking about this conspiracy. This post that goes up on his Instagram, the big Q. What the heck? What was John McAfee thing. I'm talking about this conspiracy. This post that goes up on his Instagram, the big Q. What was John McAfee wanted for? He wasn't some political figure. It was tax evasion.

I'll say this. I can understand the idea that some people might say, look, the guy was a troll and so he knew that doing everything he did would create this conspiracy in his death and that's what he was going for. John McAfee, so I stop and I say, yeah stopped and i said yeah he was a troll he loved it he loved every minute of it even being in prison he was still posting yeah i don't think the guy would want to end that he's

he was old sure but the dude loved doing these these these things with the media, with Twitter, with social media. I just don't see it. Yeah, I don't know. The fact that we can't name what the crime was is kind of weird, isn't it? Tax evasion? I guess it's tax evasion. There was some issue in Latin America where someone was killed, you remember, and there was this claim.

This was years ago at this point. I worked for Vice. I know all about it. That that's right you have a sort of association to this story he obviously the guy lived a colorful life to say the very least but the fact that this guy was being held in a Spanish prison the U.S. is trying to extradite him he's a very well-known figure but but all the details are kind of murky and then he winds up dead after saying he would never kill himself. That's like out of a thriller movie. The challenge is this dude's life was so fantastical that you have to wonder how much of it was him being a storyteller. Right.

So is this a guy who was old, no money left, in prison? And so he was like, my last hoorah is going to be the best troll ever pulled off by anyone get stuck in prison and just rot away yeah he's an old old guy and he was like i am going to pull off the greatest troll in the history of mankind he's he's on the verge it could be but the thing is people who are actually brought to to do that to take their own life this is not some flippant thing you know it's not just just a joke on twitter i mean this is you're coming face to face with your mortality the people who tend to do that don't in my experience and having read about these things they don't seem to be exuberant at the last moment you know they i don't know this would that would be quite a show to put on as you're doing this that's why ultimately i don't believe it yeah the the dude was such a a bombastic character who enjoyed every minute of it

i just don't see him being like this is the end of the line for me you get weird stories some people will like clean their whole house before they kill themselves and you're like what the heck because they didn't want to leave a mess like it's just really weird psychology going i don't know if he was just beaten down in prison if he was being tortured if he if he was under threat of like torture and like gonna give up some people that he actually did give his money to that now he's just kind of lied and killed himself to protect them. Well, one of the things he said in one of his tweets earlier was that all the Bitcoin that he had amassed

had kind of disappeared to, I think, Team McAfee, which is kind of interesting to me. So he's already saying that he doesn't have any money. So I don't know. If you're going to die and if you are an ish poster in life, then you might want to be one in death as well. I don't know if you're gonna die and if you are an ish poster in life then you might want to be one in death as well i don't know what he was doing you know like he he would tweet a lot about how he had he was gonna name names and he had evidence of stuff right now here's here's where here's the fun part apparently he posted that you know someone asked him i hope you set

up dead man switches that in the event you you are you know taken out or something they'll get released and he says i have and they will and i'll name names and it'll all come out that's why the the queue that was posted on instagram has a lot of people going like oh is this it is it going to happen yeah get ready somebody who knew him posted it i'm not i'm not convinced i'm sure many millenarian cults around the world have said on this date this is when it will all change this is the fight everything is going to be different. And it just never is. And whether it's with the election,

whether it's with some corruption in the federal government, I keep waiting for the date and it never comes around. Epstein is trending nationwide on Twitter. Oh, wow. That's the part that really creeps me out the most. Yeah. That, you know, what are the guards in that story? They lied, right? That's the news that really creeps me out the most. What are the guards in that story? They lied, right?

That's the news that came out? They lied. Something weird went down. He fell off his top bunk with a sheet tied around his neck. Is that the story? Yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah, and these very sort of dainty,

Clinton-esque fingerprints on his throat. I don't know. It's weird. I think he said the week before he died that someone was trying to poison him. And he looked wet. Well, his cellmate attacked him. Oh, really? Yeah.

And that's why people are calling it getting Epstein. I do like the way he phrased it, though, when he said the feds were saying, I will kill yourself. That's one way to put it. I know what he's doing. Yeah, well, the really sad thing about this for me, obviously you feel bad for his family and his friends. What are we going to do about it?

I mean, even forget the McAfee thing for a second. I guess I don't really feel bad for Epstein's friends. That's one. The limits of sympathy are only so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are we going to do about it? I think probably the vast majority of Americans believe that Jeffrey Epstein was offed or someone was permitted to off him or there was some corruption involved. And yet – and that's the way the government works.

I got to say I love it. The best tweet out of the entire – when the story broke was it was Chris Ragon who who said he got into an uber and the driver immediately turns and goes yo that guy didn't kill himself like this random uber driver said that and look i honestly don't know it is possible i think we had we got to check our movie biases like here's the example i always use people think silencers go pew pew pew like they don't they go whap whap really loud yeah um they're amazing by the way they do you know you're outside and you're like the first time i ever fired with a suppressor i was like wow not like a movie though yeah still ridiculously loud and you can follow the sound

to go find your friends when they're at the range or whatever but because of the movies people genuinely believe these things yeah so when you see a story like epstein like there really is a simple solution that the dude was at the end of his rope like and the same is true for mcafee the same is true for epstein very literally at the end of his rope yeah i mean look if you can even think about it now first of all i certainly think there's a lot of malfeasance corruption something weird happened with epstein but it's not out of the realm of possibility it's actually very likely i wouldn't say i would weight it as the most probable yeah but here you got a guy who was living large you know hundreds of millions of dollars from who knows where doing whatever you want to do some

people think it was blackmail yeah they got him imagine if this guy's whole mo was that he was filming these elites in compromising positions and then blackmailing them and they were scared that if they went against them they he'd release footage of them. That's like one of the conspiracy theories. Now, imagine he ends up in prison having lost and he knows he's done. And you've got a lot of people, wealthy individuals who are sweating bullets. It may have just been that the elites he was blackmailing. Should he have been? If he was, I'm not saying he was.

He just lost. Or at the very least, he went from very, very. Here's what I said at the time. I'm like, here's a guy who's got his own private island. He was living the biggest life a human could hope to live, and now he's in a prison cell. It's possible. I mean, here's a person who just, like, finally says, okay, and with McAfee, the same thing.

Here's a guy who's really old. He's had his adventures, had his journeys, and now they're going to lock him away for 30 years. How old was he? I actually didn't think... He was born in 45, yeah. Oh, okay. He's older.

He's older than I thought he was. 75. Still, I mean, that's not 95, you know. Right. But still, that's up there. But maybe he was like 30 years in prison. I'm a Gothabang. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I think. I don't know. I think he took his own life. It's tough to say. The thing is, the government doesn't like copycat criminals, which is part of why they're cracking down so hard on people that are violating federal buildings and federal property, and the reason why they go after people for tax evasion. Because if McAfee gets away with millions of dollars for tax evasion, gets away with it, a lot of other people— I suppose this is my problem with it, though. Of course, people at the end of their rope can off themselves, and that's happened plenty of times.

He's a pretty high-value individual. He's a pretty high-profile prisoner. Jeffrey Epstein was the most high-profile prisoner in the whole system. How do you just get allowed to kill yourself? Aren't there cameras? I don't know. I have like a ring doorbell. Oh, the camera malfunctioned. Oh, I forgot.

And the two guards malfunctioned. Yeah, and lied about it. Right. Yeah, I mean. So when we used to put people on suicide watch at the hospital, And the two guards malfunctioned and lied about it. Right. Of course they did. Yeah. So when we used to put people on suicide watch at the hospital, you would take everything from their room. You couldn't have a call light with a cord. You couldn't have metal utensils to eat with.

You got a paper tray. Your food was on like a styrofoam thing. You had nothing. You didn't have a phone with a cable. You didn't have blinds with a cord. You didn't have bed sheets. You literally didn't have a phone with a cable. You didn't have blinds with a cord. You didn't have bed sheets. You literally didn't have bed sheets. So it shocks me on every level that they allowed this to happen, especially since Epstein had tried to commit suicide.

This is why he was by himself. Let's do a bit of a hard segue here because, you know, I'm just thinking about the corruption of the elites, the ideology that permeates through them. And there's only so much we can say necessarily about speculating on, you know, McAfee or Epstein. But we have this other story that I want to jump into. Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley defends teaching critical race theory in the military, slams offensive claims that troops are turning woke, and links white rage to the Capitol riot.

Now, I know it's not the perfect segue off of what we were just talking about, but there is this core element of what's happening to our political elites, our establishment, our industry elites, the ideology they've embraced. And this story actually freaked me out to see Joint Chief Chairman, he's a general, Mark Milley, saying that he's reading Mao Zedong and Lenin, but that doesn't make him a communist. And that white rage was what caused January 6th, essentially. It's offensive to say. What did they say?

The general appeared to link white rage to the Capitol right on January 6th. Now, that's one of the most freakiest things I've seen. I mean, this is a non-theistic religion. I guess you'd call it a cult. Yeah. At the highest levels of government. Can't you just imagine the gunnery sergeant, did you just make a transphobic comment, soldier?

That is not my pronoun! How dare you microaggress? Sir, I thought I was supposed to macroaggress. Right, I have a gun for that reason. So I have to wonder about, these are people who believe there is no truth but power. They have routinely said there is no objective reality. And the idea that there is no truth but power is I would say to a certain degree there's an element of truth to it.

But it is a very, very fascistic ideology that is being employed by the left. That means, sure, if a bunch of leftists have weapons and are beating you and then demand you say there are five lights, you can force someone to say there are five lights. But there won't actually be. Exactly. But the history books will tell you that there were. Right. And that's what the left has realized, that they can beat people into submission to just say falsehoods and assert it's true. And then they're hoping that in 10 years, these stories will become history.

Right. Well, the left tells us they're doing this with the 1619 Project. They say outright, this woman, Nicole Hannah-Jones, lied about her central thesis, but she said, yeah, whatever. I don't care about the facts.

I'm reframing American history to put slavery at the center of it. And it's very effective to do that. And that's what they're doing now about the facts. I'm reframing American history to put slavery at the center of it, and it's very effective to do that. And that's what they're doing now in the Navy. The military was basically the last institution that the conservatives still had some control over. All of the other ones, the media, the schools, the administrative government, all of that had fallen a long time ago. And now in the military, you're seeing that total infiltration.

The chief of naval operations came out and he made what I felt was such a disingenuous argument to defend all this woke nonsense in the reading lists for the ensigns and the sailors. He said, we need our sailors to be critical thinkers.

And I think what he really meant is we need our sailors to be critical theorists. You do not, if you want to be a good, effective military, you do not need to read Ibram Kendi. The idea, by the way, that the military is some open, free marketplace of ideas. The military literally brainwashes you. That's like the point of military training. And now they're doing that in Marcuse, in Mao, in all of the people actually

that I talk about in this book. Speechless, coincidentally. I mean, that is the infiltration that we've seen in all our institutions. So now it's there and every moment that they're reading Kendi and Mao is a moment that they're not reading

a worthwhile writer. Sun Tzu. Sun Tzu, right. Or some... The classics. Right, or Klaus Fitts or somebody, yeah. You know, we had Bannon the other day and he said, we're winning.

We're winning. He said he was against all the you know the violence of the capital he was in favor of the commission investigating it get to the bottom of how it happened because the violence is bad he was like come august 15th when these kids go back to school these moms in the suburbs are going to explode when they see what's being taught to these kids and what they're mandating putting the kids in the corner make them them wear a mask, whatever it is. But I really do think, imagine what happens when, I mean, first of all, imagine this. Your kid just turned 18, wants to join the Navy. He comes back to visit you after basic training, and it's like, so what'd you learn? And he's like, I learned you're an evil oppressor, white devil. They're going to be like, what?

Basic training? You're supposed to be hardened and get in shape people were so shocked when the navy when no it wasn't even the navy there are a lot of jokes to make about the navy over this but it was but it wasn't even the navy it was the army came out with that ad yes and they said you know it was that cartoon of the young girl and she said i became a strong soldier because my lesbian moms took me to pride parades as a kid you think oh okay i don't know about that this is not by accident when we can laugh about it and say, oh, how funny that the CIA went woke. CIA has actually been woke for a long time, but the army went woke. The purpose of this

is to attract leftist people and to repel conservative people to finish that infiltration of the institutions. And it's obviously working. That is a very dangerous thing, because once that one goes, we're out. We're out of the culture, aren't we? Yeah, this is the first time I've really thought of this as life and death for our species. Not that the American military is like the one, is like the great protector. I have United lot of... I have United States bias, obviously. I come from the U.S. I've been taught propaganda. America maintains the world. It's pretty cool, though.

And if it gets co-opted, not only did it lose a war, but it's on the side of that which co-opted it. So it's like double your enemy. It is the critical theory of it all. I know these terms get thrown around now and now the left is retreating into this nominalism of, well, what really is critical theory?

But the theory is very simple. The theory is to criticize. Whenever some reporter tries to have a gotcha, what is critical race theory? Very simply, it's to ruthlessly criticize all that exists in the words of Marx. So that's what they're doing. And the idea that we need deconstruction in the military, we need destruction from the military, but we don't need deconstruction within the military, that's a recipe for national death, which is probably what they want.

I mean, physical deconstruction of foreign military bases with use of ordinance, yes. Philosophical deconstruction of the system in place, which we use to defend our country. Not so much, but that's what's happening. But do you know, this I think brings up an important point for conservatives, or even people who are just not woke, who are kind of normal. The reason they fail a lot of

the time is because they are arguing in fantasy world American government. So that when they make arguments about American politics, they're making arguments about the three branches of government, and the checks and balances and the separation and the thing that you probably are no longer taught in civics class, but you used to be taught. The left is playing in the political realities. Where are our laws made? Are they, I am a bill and I call myself, you know, you're made on Capitol Hill and then you, no, our bills are made by some faceless, nameless bureaucrat in some gray building in Washington,

D.C. or even outside of Washington, D.C. Our laws are effectively made by oligarchs in Silicon Valley. As Mitch McConnell pointed out the other day, they behave like a woke parallel government. The left knows that. So they engage in politics in a much more effective way because they go where the power really is, not the fantasy of where power used to be 100 years ago. This is why I think what you guys over at The Daily Wire are doing with movies and things is so important, building culture, and that's why I want to do the exact same thing. So I mentioned we have this paranormal writer who's joining. We want to write more than just news. Doing a show about ghosts and Bigfoot.

It sounds really silly. A lot of people who are much more intelligent or well-versed in politics might be like, how is this going to explain to people what's happening? And it's like, no, no, no, it's not. What it's going to do is it's going to get a bunch of regular people who don't understand anything to be like, oh, I love TimCast.com. They do that Bigfoot show. It's amazing.

Oh, cool. What's he saying about politics? What's he saying about government? Well, you'll also see on the website news stories. And then you might click on a news story and say, I didn't realize Russiagate was fake news because I only ever watch CNN. So we do things that are fun to create a welcoming, inspirational, and fun place where you can also get access to information that you maybe won't get in these other places like culture building is so important right bart knew it yeah politics is downstream from culture the left is fighting in that arena and when it comes to like this this uh this general millie

the things he's saying what what do you think i'll say this there's there's a phrase out of sight out of mind you ever you ever you ever notice that thing where you'll hear a word for the first time and then all of a sudden you'll hear it everywhere? Or you'll see a car for the first time and then also you'll buy a car and then all of a sudden you see it everywhere? I don't know, but it's the general idea, you know, out of sight, out of mind. When you're thinking of something, you'll start to see it more. If you constantly fight the culture war in the leftist terms, then what happens is you are arguing, is critical race theory the idea that X, Y, and Z, right or wrong? What happens then is you have a lot of people say, critical race theory. Huh, I agree with it. Not critical race theory.

I disagree with it. What if instead of even arguing about critical race theory, you argued gun rights? So no one was even talking about those ideas. Those ideas would never spread. Republicans and conservatives don't fight on their own battlefield. And you know, probably the most sympathetic historian of critical theory, Martin Jay, who I actually discuss

in this book, a specialist, Martin Jay made this point that critical theory is not so much an academic system as it is a gadfly on other systems. So critical theory is just this analytical lens that kind of infiltrates history and literature and just now it's infiltrating the hard sciences, for goodness sakes. It's fire. Yes, it's just kind of spreading throughout the university. But you know, on the Breitbart point, though, I do think

there needs to be an addendum or a caveat to it, which is what Breitbart said is true. Culture influences politics, no doubt. But because what he said is a slogan and all slogans are wrong, it also needs to be corrected, which is culture is downstream of politics, too. Politics influences culture. I think of East Germany. East Germany is atheist today. West Germany is religious today.

It ain't because of the bratwurst. It's because of the officially atheist government that dominated there for decades and decades so i just think the left it could be they killed all of those people and all that's left you know for real though yes and you think that's politics the left is really good at making movies and coming up with stupid academic theories not anymore well i suppose that well yes and no i'll get into that in a second they also engage in the politics right they also dominate on that too you you you do have a good point though on you know they're still the ones making the movies but they are increasingly unwatchable did you see the karen trailer is this oh my god is it real i don't know it is real yeah what it's like a movie

about this like white neighbor who harasses her black neighbor. Right. It's bad. Did you see it? I must watch. I can't wait to watch the movie. I just want to watch the trailer. The trailer's amazing.

But is it supposed to be like that movie The Room where it's just really bad funny? But even that was supposed to be good. Tommy Wiseau really thought it was good. Well, he's now claiming it was meant to be bad. Sure. Thank you, Tommy. But it became a cult classic. So, you know,

you got to watch out for that. But then you look at things like Ghostbusters. Yeah. There are a lot of movies. No, no, no. You know what takes the cake is The Craft.

Have you seen the new The Craft? No. You remember the 90s one? No. I didn't see the old The Craft. The old The Craft was, the old The Craft

was, who was in that movie? I don't remember. But there's like four girls and they're witches and they fight each other or something uh it's not bad i'd give it a c plus it's an old 90s movie they remade the craft and it basically was a nonsensical non-plot with a bunch of woke talking points yeah like like no joke like there's a scene where for no reason one of the witches just mentions that they're trans.

And it has nothing to do with the plot. It moves nothing forward. It was literally just, they just say it. It was probably a sag after a mandate. It's like, we need one trans character in this movie. There was a scene where they turn a bully gay with magic. Or something like that. I think that's what they did.

And the whole movie, I'm just like, I don't understand what the movie's about. Because, and I thought about it it and I was like, whoa. I remember like, we talked about this before. That's a good flicks or something. Yes. Pure flicks. Pure flicks. Where it's like low quality, like religious right wing stuff.

But now it's like something changed where we're starting to see conservatives like The Daily Wire make Run, Hide, Fight. Yeah. Which is actually a really well-made movie. And it's not just like wholesome – I mean it's kind of a gritty movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're starting to see the left make these really awful movies. And I'm wondering if in like ten years the left is going to be a bunch of pseudo-religious cult doctrine videos. They already are.

Right, right, right, right. And then conservatives and the anti-woke are going to be making fun adventure movies. There is this problem. When you watch the Karen trailer, the problem with it, as with all bad art, is when it doesn't ring true, right? The thesis of Karen, according to the trailer,

is that white people, especially white women, are these racists who are more likely to commit hate crimes. If you just look at the federal government statistics, there is not an epidemic of whites committing hate crimes. Whites are significantly less likely to commit hate crimes as a portion of their population than black people are. Black people are more likely, relative to their population, to commit a hate crime. What is a hate crime? I mean, I think the term is stupid to begin with because it's the opposite of a love crime, I guess.

I don't know. But just even if you're going to take it on its own terms, it just doesn't ring true. I got to be honest, too. It's like I don't like the idea of hate crimes, and I don't like the idea that – I think if someone commits a crime, they commit a crime. You know what I mean? Like we keep hearing – and even some conservatives, when it comes to the anti-riot bills they're like make the penalty harsher and i'm like well if you enforced the first penalty yeah you would need to make it harsher i don't care if someone's black white asian latino gay straight whatever if they're violent against somebody they committed

a crime we stop them going after them and with harsher penalties due to motives is insane because it requires mind reading. I'm okay with premeditation rules because if you do plan it, maybe there's an impetus of psychosis there that's a little more dangerous for society. But that's just another fact. You can actually prove if someone planned it. You're not asking about the motivations that went into the plan. You're just saying, here we go. We know this guy thought it out, and that's different than manslaughter.

I got to point this out because I did pull up this CNN article about the Karen trailer, and it's actually getting flack because people are claiming they're just ripping off Get Out. No, the difference is Get Out was a good movie. I haven't seen, obviously,

Karen yet. The trailer doesn't look very good. But Get Out is a good movie about the fears of assimilation. It's the fear that when you assimilate into a culture, you lose your soul. And it made fun of white liberals, which I got a kick out of. Specifically, we voted for Obama, but they're the evil people. They're the evil people. I thought it was a kind of original movie. I got a kick out of it.

This, at least from the trailer, I can't judge the movie, just looks like it's falling into the myth of the evil Karen. Michael, I've seen the trailer, and you're wrong. This will be the Citizen Kane of our generation. Oh, my gosh. Did you see the angels? The Citizen Karen. Citizen Karen.

Citizen Karen. I love it. Did you show the photo of this, though? Yeah, I did. Look at this. Oh, dude, it's so silly. Have you seen The Hunt? You know, I wanted to, but I thought it didn't get pulled.

I thought... They brought it back. They ended up publishing it. They did publish it. I thought it was great. It was good. I loved the idea. The idea was terrific.

So initially, The Hunt, the trailer was liberals kidnapping conservatives and then hunting them. And so my initial reaction was like, this is not the time to be fanning the flames of this stuff. Even Donald Trump was against it. Yeah. not the time to be fanning the flames of this stuff. Even Donald Trump was against it. I changed my mind later on when I was like, you know, I shouldn't be against artful depictions and I shouldn't play that game about, you know, criticizing a movie I haven't seen. And then it turns out when I watched the movie,

it was actually really good. Well, because I don't think it's advocating that the liberals go out and kidnap. They're the bad guys. They're the bad guys. So it's actually like, you've got two different factions in this movie, snooty liberal elites who are just they hate these right wing conspiracy theorists so much they want to kill them. And then you have just dumb right wing conspiracy theorists where you're kind of annoyed by them believing stupid things.

But they're not bad people. They're doofy people. This is what's actually giving me hope. You know, you say that Steve Bannon says, we're winning. And, you know, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been burned too many times, folks. But the thing that does give me hope,

when these people of all different colors, parents of all different shapes and sizes all around the country, show up to yell about critical race theory. I see your point. I think it's a fair one that we shouldn't be arguing with their language, and that's a problem.

Sure, and we can try to fix that. But the very fact that these people are showing up, these ordinary Americans, and then snooty elites, radical elites, make fun of them, call them, I don't know, you might say deplorable, irredeemable, bitter clinger, or whatever, and you are further alienating the common sense American people from this ruling class that absolutely despises them. That is, in real time, a win for conservatives. Yes, yes. I think Bannon's point is when these children come

back from school on day one, and mom says, what did you learn in school? That you're evil. What? Come again? So I'm interested, though, in the same... I do want to talk about the Loudon stuff, but we'll get to that in a bit. In terms of movies like this Karen one, considering how, like, really over-the-top the trailer is, I'm wondering if that'll have a similar effect if people start seeing movies like this,

where it displays... I mean, this is culture, right? In the movie The Hunt, the liberal elite are the bad guys. I'm going to... Spo spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen it you care if i spoil it for you spoil it the woman who's leading the liberals is kidnapping people because they were spreading conspiracy theories about her online and her friends decided to help her out it turns out one of the women who was kidnapped i think she was like former military and it was the wrong name so what turns out

is this innocent woman was being harassed and they were trying to kill her and she had nothing to do with their politics. And I thought that was a really interesting message based on what we're seeing in the political landscape. Regular people who don't care, who don't want to be involved, are being forced into it and accused of being racist

and being monsters and now are being forced to fight for their lives. So when I see something like this karen movie a lot of people have already said karen is like is a racial slur and you shouldn't say i've had people email me like tim don't use that word yeah i guess it literally is a racial i'll say it yeah you know but it is a racial slur it references specifically like white chicks yeah like certain age yeah and a sort of ageist well a becky is a young karen yeah exactly that's what they've been saying and and so i i wonder though how many women named karen yeah had no no issues in politics didn't care and then all of a sudden started feeling bad

because people were insulting them based on their name my friend's daughter's name is isis she was named before the action oh Oh, man. So there was a meme of a mom. And it was like a strict mom meme. I can't remember exactly what it was. And it was a woman like sitting down in a photo that people use in these old school memes with like the sunburst behind it. And it would say

like, you know, makes you clean your room and then grounds you or something like that. And the woman in the photo was like, I'm not like that at all. I'm like a nice person and people are using this image of me to represent something nasty. I have to wonder if Hollywood keeps making movies that insult regular Americans simply because their name is Karen.

Yeah. I'm not saying they keep making Karen movies. I'm saying if they do things like this that insult and deride people, is this the kind of thing that's going to make someone go, I don't feel good? You're making me feel bad? I reject you.

I hope that that is the case, because it really pains me to hear these stories that you're mentioning of someone who says, well, I'm not like that. I'm not one of them. I'm one of the good Karens or whatever. I'm the good ISIS. But you have to come to the realization if you are in any way conservative. And by the way, it's not even on the racial politics if you're just white. If you're black but you go along with the conservative point of view, you are considered just as bad if not worse.

Worse. I guess if you're a traitor. It's the apostates that are a bigger threat. Yeah. And I think what all these people need to recognize is the radical left hates you. You are not, you can't charm your way out of it. You can't reason your way out of it. I know there's been a lot of talk now on the internet about whether or not one should engage

in debates. And there were a sort of Crowder got ambushed by some libs or something. And there was all of this debate me coward and all this kind of stuff i don't feel any compunction about uh turning down a debate with someone who hates me because what's the what is the point of that debate if i if i feel something productive can come out of that i'll do it but i don't feel any reason well there this is really fascinating especially in terms of the crowder stuff because you know ethan klein is not a particular a political individual yeah he was making comments about Stephen Crowder.

I don't know how it started. Do you guys know how it started or what the issue was? Yeah, what happened? Yeah, so Ethan was saying that you don't need to do any of your own research. You just trust the CDC. Whatever they say, you don't even have to do any homework. And his wife is just like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. And I was like, what?

They're telling they have like millions of people. And Crowder responded? Yeah, he had issues with that. He's like, why would you tell people-huh, uh-huh. And I was like, what? What? They're telling, they have like millions of people. And Crowder responded? Yeah, he had issues with that. He's like, why would you tell people to not do their own homework? That doesn't make sense. That's actually against the,

I think that might be against YouTube's rules. Interesting. To say not to question anything? Well, no, that's, just to tell people how to think about it. You need to tell,

YouTube's rules are that you can't discourage people from seeking the expert medical opinions. Oh, interesting. So the CDC might, YouTube's rules are that you can't discourage people from seeking the expert medical opinions. Oh, interesting. So the CDC might, YouTube might be like, that's fine, I guess. You can blindly follow them, but nobody. No, no, but I think, like, YouTube says you can't discourage people from talking to medical experts for advice.

And saying you don't have to do anything, just follow the CDC. Those aren't your doctors. Right. So I wonder, anyway. You should have debated Ethan. Well, so. Well, Ethan isn't a political figure. He's a drama grifter. His whole thing is like pop culture.

I had never heard of him. Even the other guy I hadn't seen. He's interesting because they're kind of under the radar, but they're hugely popular. They just weren't like ever front and center mainstream. They kind of came up quieter. They get like millions of views on their podcast. Massive, massive shows. So the issue though is, this is why I would say you've got to be careful about who you debate.

We're going to have Vosh back on. You're familiar with him. He's a leftist YouTube personality. I've heard of him. I haven't seen his stuff, but I have heard. He's a socialist? I believe he's a socialist. He's a lefty gamer, and then we're also planning on having on a few other leftist personalities,

people who actually, I think, want to engage in the robust challenge of a good debate. Like, I think Vosch loved it because he had a bunch of clips where they said I was dumb. And of course, we got clips where they're like, he's dumb. But I think we had a lot. It was like four hours. Yeah. But there are some people like the guy who ambushed Stephen Crowder. This guy's a con man.

This guy's whole shtick is to generate drama. And so the issue is Stephen Crowder wants to engage in a legitimate conversation with Ethan Klein. Ethan Klein being a drama channel just turned the camera off, runs away, and then says, here you go. Here's drama. Crowder walked right into that one. I think Crowder was correct to say, hey, Ethan, let's talk. And then when he released the full audio, you actually see they were being very nice to each other and they

were like talking about family and then ethan goes like ha ha and i got you ambushes crowder with a guy who's known for not getting a lot of traffic yeah and for trying as hard as possible to get bigger channels to debate him so he can get views so crowder's like i have no obligation to give you the time of day you've been blacklisted by so many other channels. They refuse to talk to you. And I'll tell you this. Behind the scenes, a bunch of podcast networks have already blacklisted. I'm not saying his name on purpose.

Yeah. Because he doesn't. This is what he tries to do. He tries to use drama to get attention. He's been blacklisted by a bunch of very big podcasts, even some more lefty ones, because he's viewed as a drama baiter. Yeah. Who tries to get attention by just causing fights and stuff like that. Yeah. But, you know, the right opens themselves up to these

kinds of attacks when they go into the sort of the free marketplace of ideas must always prevail. And we must always debate everything with everybody. And we can never cancel or ostracize anybody. And I think that's not true. That's never been true. Not only do I have no obligation to engage with somebody who's just a shyster or some kind of jerk, you know, I there's no it's actually counterproductive to do that. No one will learn anything. No honesty. This is why I say from this point forward, I think it should be clear to everybody. Ethan Klein should be off limits for any legitimate political podcast.

Of course, the left will probably engage with him because they're going to be like, hey, it's an opportunity to get views, and they like what he did. But for anybody who is moderate, anti-woke, or wants to have a legitimate conversation, so this would be like intellectual dark web types as well as any other legitimate news outlet, you can't do it. Not with somebody who's willing to poison the political discourse for personal gain. Well, you think about how dumb most debates are. It's really sad because not that long ago, you go back like 30 years,

there were pretty popular debates that would air on TV or certain areas. Burroughs was pretty well known. Yeah, or you think Firing Line or those kind of shows. And now they're just really dumb, and it's just like two heads screaming at each other for five minutes on cable TV or something. And I just think it's so degrading. There's a political rule that I learned years ago, and I think I violated it a couple times at my own peril.

Never wrestle with a pig. If you wrestle with a pig, you will both get dirty, but the pig will like it. So, you know what? I would give this advice to Stephen and to anybody who finds themselves in one of these situations. If I agreed to do an interview

with someone like Ethan, and they decided to pull up one of these con individuals, as soon as it popped up, I wouldn't laugh i would say ethan look i got very little time i know we agreed to have a conversation i'm not interested in talking to this guy yeah i mean no disrespect but i'm gonna respectfully say no to this circumstance and if you want to reschedule i'm more than happy to have a nice day yeah click yeah of course but i guess you know in order to say that, we need to have standards, right? We need to actually say, like, here's what I want to do. Here's the purpose of the debate. Here are the guardrails. Here's what we're going to do. And I just feel like we can't articulate definitions. Yeah, that's right. Like you go into it with the understanding of what the words are and what exactly they

mean. If we could do that, that'd be great. But nobody does that anymore. So debate's meaningless. I mean, we can't even in the broader culture, the words, I mean, this happens to be the subject of my book, Langstroman, but the word we actually can't agree on even the definition of man or woman. So obviously we can't agree on the rules of this sort of a debate.

And the problem for it in the broader politics is the left, getting back to your culture point, Tim, the left has a narrative about the country. What is America to the left? America is an evil, rotten, bigoted place that was founded by white guys to preserve their own property so that they can rape, kill, pillage, and burn. You now have someone on the American Olympic team,

I suppose an alternative to the American Olympic team team saying they want to burn the flag. Should have been removed immediately. Obviously. It's rejected or removed. So incoherent to be on the team and want to destroy the country. But the left has that narrative. And I guess my question for the right is, what's your story about it? What's America?

Conservatives. And I actually don't. You'll get 100 different answers, but I don't think you have one answer. Oh, I can tell you. What is it? North America? America. The United States of America was an ideological revolution, one of the first times in history that human beings realized government was derived from the will of the power of the crown in Europe with the thousands of miles to the United States, there were individuals who were more reliant and dependent upon themselves,

which they then came to realize through the teachings of people like Locke and their own experiences, that the king simply saying by decree, by divine providence, they were in charge, made little to no sense on how they lived their lives. So it was an ideological revolution of classical liberalism, freedom of the individual, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and an ultimate separation from another government, lives. So it was an ideological revolution of classical liberalism, freedom of the individual, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and an ultimate separation from another government, which was both a physical, political, and ideological revolution. What America represents to me is one of the most profound and brilliant things ever. Because while we have mocked the idea of the failures of modern America's exporting democracy, As if, you know, I love the American dad joke

where they're in, I think, Saudi Arabia, and they're like, I can't remember where they were, but they're like, democracy kicked in. And then everything changes, and women are wearing Daisy Dukes, and people are cracking beers. That's not going to happen. But a lot of our mechanisms and our ideas

did actually influence the world. And this idea that the government is derived from the will of the people this this is the reason in my opinion why everybody so desperately wants to come here because you can have a say the american dream exists and it doesn't so many countries still have landed gentry in control of politics or hereditary monarchy so america means a lot okay now i'm going to prove my own theory by disagreeing with your history of America. Now, I think the account you give is fair enough, and I think a lot of people would agree with it. But I would point out our founding fathers wrote at considerable length about Providence.

They thought that the country was brought about in this liberal revolution, some might say, but through Providence. I mean, the very fact that Washington escaped from Brooklyn was an act of God. The very fact that this man survived his horse getting shot out from under him multiple times was seen to be an act of God. And of course, there's a deep Christian history to America, the pilgrims land at Plymouth Rock, and then two Indians walk out of the woods speaking one okay English and one nearly perfect English. These are like the only two guys in the hemisphere that speak English. That's unbelievable.

I don't think that's at odds necessarily. Right. No, I agree. The idea was that certainly they were very religious, very Christian, but the king simply just asserted his power to rule. The divine right. Right. Yes. Yes.

And, well, we can get into divine right later. But, yes, I agree with your point. Obviously, they leave the king. They don't establish a monarchy in America. But I guess the problem for this is, in your telling,

America begins in 1776. But there are other dates you can choose, as the New York Times told us. I've often dated America to 1620, to the landing of the Mayflower. But you could date America to a dozen years earlier, to the landing at Jamestown, where there was a landed gentry.

I also don't think that disagrees with what I'm saying. When was Locke? It was the late 1600s, right? Sure. So this is 100 years before the founding fathers ever decided to form the Declaration of Independence. But the American Revolution was over the span of, I think, 20-some-odd years. It wasn't that one day they signed a declaration. It was the culmination of so much.

And more importantly, I think you're right. I think it perhaps could have been the Pilgrim's Landing, the Mayflower, Plymouth Rock, all that stuff. It was when people separated themselves from literally the continent on which they were being ruled and found their own lives and had to make the rules for themselves. But then is the story one of separation or one of continuity? Because I think the libs would tell us that the story of America is that we totally rejected the old world.

But I think the conservatives, following the example of Edmund Burke, would tell us, no, actually, unlike the French Revolution, which was a radical revolution, the American Revolution was a conservative revolution because we actually kept our rights of Englishmen. I mean, when the Americans rebel, they're rebelling as Englishmen to say, we're not being treated with the respect that Englishmen deserve. So it obviously creates a separation, but there's also this great continuity as well. And it's very difficult to trace that story. I talked to some friends of mine who are from Texas, say, and to them, America is the Wild West. It's the settling of the West, right?

Obviously, it's where they are. I come from the Northeast. That's the American story. You talk to people in the South, that's the American story. So what is it? I mean, it gets to this insight by the late great Roger Scruton,

who says it's much easier to destroy than it is to build. So it's very easy for Hannah Nicole Jones. It's much harder for conservatives. But I do think we need a story. I think we need to say this is what America stands for. And your telling of it, Tim, is a pretty good one. You know, so I'm not saying that's not a good option.

I think we can just simplify and say we agree with the idea of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Sure. But what – yes, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying don't we need something practical? Don't we need something tangible? I mean, the left, they point at you and they say, Washington, evil. You, Ian, evil. You know, this country, slavery, and they're pointing at all these tangible things.

You say the same thing back. We just say, we say, Washington, evil. Oh, don't fight the pig. The pig wants to get muddy. Marx, evil. Frankfurt School, evil. Yeah. You know, critical theory, evil.

And I got to be honest. They are. I mean, think about it. Just think for two seconds that the founding fathers who had a lot of really bad ideas in terms of how they lived culturally. I mean, slavery, for one. But they laid the groundwork. The seeds were planted for liberty, which led to really smart and amazing people, Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, and incredible writing that ultimately ended slavery in a bloody battle over this, you know, to end this horrific institution.

The things we have today, civil rights, one of the most respectful countries on the planet in terms of your right to identify however you choose, would exist that the founding fathers recognizing life liberty in the pursuit of happiness but is that not just the progressive telling i mean yes of course we say like it's nice that you know there's no jim crow you know it's nice that people have their rights you can look at certain countries that have like still what india still has a caste system yeah so the founding fathers probably didn't envision everything as it is today. But the framework they laid out led to arguments. We go to the Supreme Court.

We make decisions. The issue is the reason why I say they are evil, not all of them, but look at Chrissy Teigen direct message where the guy says, please, I've never said these words before. And she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm going to do whatever I want. Like evil stuff. You look at that Kathy Griffin lady showing Trump's severed head. Like that's insane. Yeah. And then you look at Steven Crowder saying, I'd like to

have a reasonable conversation. And then they ambush him, laugh, cut things out of context, and then say, we win. They don't want a political conversation. They don't want things to improve. They just want to watch the world burn. Yes. I just, I want to be even more depressing about it. I feel like you're not being depressing enough. And the more depressing thing is, I fear we've all kind of imbibed this progressive history, because we say some things have gotten better. So we say, you know, we give credit for the founding fathers for setting us up from that terrible old time to this great new time. And the left hates the founding fathers, because they say they tolerated this bad time in the old

past, but now we have this good new time. But what if it's even worse than that what if the time we're living in is no better than the time the founding fathers lived in what if we don't have slavery today relatively well first of all we do yeah and we and we buy our iphones which are made by slaves and right and the left revels in it and in it, and they don't talk about it. Some do. Some do. I've got to respect a lot of activists. Sure.

But they all have iPhones. Exactly. I mean, you have people declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical debt. It's like indentured servitude in a way. College. And just take the most obvious example. We kill a million babies a year legally. Legally in this country right now, we kill a million babies a year. I suspect

that some future generation is going to come to grips with this moral horror, and they're going to look at us and say, huh, in that wonderful new time that they were all living in, that seems perhaps more evil than the old time it replaced. But is it just two steps forward, one step back?

Is it that there really are... Two steps back. No, no, I agree. There's a lot of things that have come about more recently that have been really bad. I mean, the progressives of the early 1900s were eugenicists. Yeah. Right? And wasn't Margaret Sanger, wasn't she... She was a leading founder of Planned Parenthood and the leading eugenicist.

Right. So certainly bad things came about and still exist. But it's not like we'll never be without conflict. But our current understanding of free speech, for instance, is relatively new. You didn't have free speech back in the day. You had obscenity laws. I'm so glad to hear you say this because this is something that the conservatives say, my beloved fellow conservatives, that drives me crazy. They say we had freer speech back in the day and now we're being censored.

In some ways, we had better speech back in the day and now we're being censored like we in some ways we had better speech back in the day but in many ways you are much freer to say what you want to say today than you i mean just say whatever you want on tv remember george carlin he got arrested arrested for his his comedy routine yeah and it was um i think was it brandenburg the ohio that set the current standard we understand also i was researching gun rights laws. Gun rights were way more restrictive in the 80s. And now we're getting constitutional carry. It used to be may issue

not shall issue for concealed carry permits. Meaning most of the states in this country would be like we're not giving you a concealed carry permit. Bye bye, you can't do anything about it. Now laws have been passed that actually have expanded our rights. I'm like, sounds like we're winning in this regard. But I'd actually like to take, again that actually have expanded our rights. I'm like, sounds like we're winning in this regard. But I'd actually like to take, again,

the more pessimistic view. I feel like, you know, when we say that we have freer speech now, one, I think that's got a bad understanding

of liberty to it. But also, I liked the obscenity laws. I did. I liked the laws against sedition. I liked the laws against fraud and libel. They're

still on the books, right? They're still on the books today. We threw a pornographer in federal prison a dozen years ago just for pornography. He didn't have child porn. He didn't rape someone on his set. He just produced obscene pornography. And that guy rotted for almost four years in prison. The founding fathers loved that. Conservatives loved that. The reason is that obscenity is not legitimate speech. It was their argument. They would say that obscenity is just a form of licentiousness. Liberty in America should not be abused to licentiousness. The founding fathers said that self-government only works if you've got virtue and morality and religion. And so what many people would herald is the wonderful expansion of free speech. Frankly, I see it as the undermining of free speech.

Do you think our discourse is freer and more sophisticated today or 30, 40 years ago? Well, with big tech, it's corrupt and broken. We had to do two things, right? I want to make sure we talk about your book, but there was something I was was trying to talk about back we were talking about this general and i think we had a great conversation but let's go back i want to talk about the um ramifications of a woke military yeah because the the wokeness has spread far and wide to the point where one of our generals is saying so what's so wrong about reading mao and do all doing all these things and we make jokes about basic training and and you know soy soy boys coming out, I guess.

I don't know if you saw this story, but this one from the Washington Post. Russia says it fired warning shots at a British warship in the Black Sea. The UK says it didn't. I don't necessarily believe the UK. Russians also say they were dropping bombs in the path of the British warship

because they entered Crimean waters. This freaks me out. See, the US, NATO was doing big war games. in the path of the British warship because they entered Crimean waters. This freaks me out. See, the US, NATO was doing big war games. Russia then counters with their own war games. We see the HMS Trent, Royal Navy, going through the Bosphorus Strait only a few weeks ago. Then the HMS Defender entering Crimean waters, which Russia is claiming its own. So it's occupied waters.

It doesn't matter who you think it belongs to. We are dangerously close to conflict. China came out and said that they will join Russia in a counterattack against the US. Now is not the time for our general to come out and say, I am pathetic and weak and have no strength of will of my own mind. Well, the problem is that Xi Jinping and Putin, they have YouTube and they saw that woke jinping and putin they have youtube

and they saw that woke army and they said duh the lesbian mothers and they probably invade today invade and and of course that they were inviting the aggression do you see putin praise joe biden he's focused you gotta pay it you gotta you gotta pay attention and then i see these these these biden voters on facebook being like even put Putin's recognizing that Joe Biden's strong. Republicans are trying to make, like Republicans want Putin to win because they hate Biden so much. But even Putin recognizes Biden is not losing his mind. And I'm like, Putin wants to destroy us and wants us to keep voting for the man who has no lucidity left so that he can win a war. So obviously you had Trump's foreign policy, whatever you think of the individual incidents.

The genius of it, of course, was you just never knew what this guy was going to do. I mean, do you remember he called Kim Jong-un short and fat? Yep. Just because. Just because he had insulted. I mean, this is a pretty wild guy. You know, he took out the top general. He was called a dotard.

He was called a dotard. And so he goes in and, you know, but then he assassinates Iran's top general. He drops bombs in various places, but totally unpredicted. Right. Then he pulls some troops out with Biden. Biden just is the avatar of the liberal establishment. Right. He is he's just the same guy, the top brass in the Navy talking about.

It's just whatever is in the zeitgeist. That's what whatever is in the zeitgeist that's what biden is and the the sad fact is if you know that you're going to get a traditional liberal establishment foreign policy of course you're going to aggress in the south china sea if you're xi jinping do you really think the american people are ready for a war to defend taiwan no no way not to get involved and i i've been advised i think were, were you going to say Steve? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was explicitly like, no, no, we're not.

It's Silicon Valley. He's called it Silicon Valley West. We lose Taiwan, we lose our computer chips. No more trucks, no more cars, no more computers. You think the American people are seriously concerned at the moment about deterring Putin from further aggression in Crimea? Oh, no. It's so far away. If it was Cuba, yeah.

I don't even know about that. I think they're so concerned about, like, look, a general came out and said he's reading Mao and Lenin, and he's having the troops study the real history to understand this country. Wow. Yeah, you just feel so crestfallen. It's just, it's so, I mean, we were joking about how we need to make it even more depressing, but it does, you know, I mean, truly, you've got to, on the first step to recovery, you need to recognize that you've got a problem.

This rot runs so, so deep. I don't, I do still think there is some hope. I think there's a glimmer of hope because the American people are repulsed by this sort of thing. But they're really depressed by it, I think. When you see that Russian military ad where it shows this ripped super Chad shaved head, and he puts the hood on, and then he's looking down. He's all angry, and then he jumps out of the plane and parachutes, and then he lands. He's got a bolt-action rifle, and it's dark colors, and it's like, he's looking down. He's all angry. And then he jumps out of the plane and parachutes. And then he lands. He's got a bolt action rifle.

And it's dark colors. And it's like, and you're like, whoa. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Then you see the other one where it's like going to the parade. And like, to be fair, though, that was an Army ad. Yeah. And the Marine Corps ad is still a bit more, you know, it's like a guy.

He's walking down the street in a cyberpunk future. And then an advertisement pops up saying, buy shoes. And it's like, you know, pointing out that people have no purpose. And then he falls forward through the hologram and lands in the mud and gets up, and he's got a rifle, and they're like, go, go, go. And then he's moving through the woods. That was a bit more on point with war and conflict. So maybe the Army is looking for administrators, and the Marine Corps is looking for warriors.

But right now, I mean, that actually does give me a little hope, right? And I'm sure the Marines are gloating over this. But, you know, even among conservatives right now, so-called conservatives, there are going to be people who say, well, you know, I think actually if a transgender person wants to

serve in the military, that's perfectly fine. Well, you know, I think women should be in combat positions. And well, I think you just think, oh, oh, so you're not serious about this either. I don't think that there is anyone advocating for trans soldiers in Putin's Russia or Xi Jinping's China. Well, but I don't, I, if somebody wants to go shoot the bad guys, I don't care who they are, what they think they are. I don't care who they are, what they think they are, what they believe and identify. If a guy thinks he's a woman and is demanding really crazy medical treatments and clearly doesn't have his grip on reality, I don't think I want that guy in the military. Call me an extremist, but it seems like there's a problem.

There's some logic to, you know, you want sane, strong people next to you in combat. If they fall, then you have no protection on the side. And by the way, you know, the reason I don't want women in combat is not because I don't think women are perfectly capable. Obviously, they're not as physically strong as men, which is why they're losing all the weightlifting competitions now, including in the Olympics, to men.

But it's because I think it's wrong for society to send its women to go fight. I think it's disordered. I think men and women are different. I think it's disordered i think men and women are different i think we have different roles we are complementary we're not identical and i don't want to live in a world in which i've got a lovely graceful woman fighting my wars for me well so so the issue comes down to um i guess what's the right word? You've got, by any means necessary, victories and moral victory. If you have a country that says, we will send wave after wave of our own people,

we don't care who they are, how tall they are, if they're a man, if they're a woman, if they're trans, they're gay, they're straight, whatever, we will give them a gun and send them your way. But don't you think, like, the fact is, women are just not as strong. This is not insulting to women, It's just a natural fact. And so if you've got an army of all big, tough dudes who look like Super Chad from the Russian ad, that is going to be a stronger army than a mixed army with women. But that's under the assumption that we lose some of our servicemen by adding servicewomen.

You see what I'm saying? Like, if we have, let's say we had a million well-trained, well-oiled machine marines and then we're like we got this hey we also got a hundred thousand women that's just a benefit in my opinion well i mean but we're also not we're not napoleon's army we're not launching these you know million person land wars and i suppose one of the arguments i'm not saying that women have no role in helping out the military i just specifically i'm talking about combat. Historically, you have a few women, like Tamaris was a Scythian queen, and she was a warrior queen and basically stomped out the Persians, more or less.

You had Boudica, who was a Celtic queen that fought against the Romans. So you get these, I don't know if they were like bestial monstrosities, monster humans. I don't know, but they were apparently fighters, like warriors. They would slash and kill. But I think generally, what you're talking about is more of a general. The fact that one can name them, I think, is kind of important. I think the idea from the modern military in that regard is, how do we add more people to combat roles? It's like, well, women aren't serving.

Can we get them to serve? Sure. It increases the number. Do we have a shortage of fighters? I don't think so i mean we don't you know the first of all the wars we wage are mostly from like office buildings in new jersey where we're fighting with video games to blow up bad guys in in syria but i don't i if we had a genuine shortage of people who were able to hold a gun and shoot it then i suppose that's a conversation i think it comes down to this for me

um we should have a standard. You should have to pass that standard. They shouldn't reduce the standard for anybody. And so I think that's one of the issues people are concerned about is... Well, of course, yeah. In some circumstances, some departments, like fire departments and police, have lowered standards. In all circumstances, virtually, right? So that's a problem, too.

But I'd like to take it even further. Let's say that there is a woman, you know, some great ancient queen who's an Amazonian who's, you know, destroys the Persian army. All well and good. I still think just as a social matter, as a matter of the way that men and women interact with one another, as a matter of chivalry, darn it, the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded it. And the glory of Europe is extinguished forever, to quote the great Edmund Burke. I think that's bad. I want the glory back. I want the chivalry back. I want a world in which men and women are not seem to be identical or indiscernible or at odds with one another. One of the arguments is that there will never be a war between the sexes because everyone's sleeping with the enemy.

I want them to be complimentary again. And that requires people observing certain limits, both men and women. It's a very unpopular view, I suppose, but I think it happens to be correct. I think what ends up happening is people start scraping the bottom of the barrel in

their conflicts and things just get weird. i will say i will say one thing um a lot of what we talk about especially when it comes to like women in combat and um you mentioned obscenity laws yeah we wouldn't need laws or policy if people had a shared moral framework within their culture or it certainly would not be nearly as necessary because but but again the law kind of reflects the culture right and but the law also influences the culture jordan peterson talked about enforced monogamy and immediately these leftists were like assuming he was saying women should be like physically forced to be in relationships with like nasty men with me yeah yeah with you what he meant was

and correct me if i'm wrong, because I think, you know, Lydia, you might know this. What he meant was just there were societal pressures that you were in a relationship, you had an obligation, and if you didn't uphold your contract, then you were looked down upon.

Right? That's correct. And when Jordan Peterson made this point, I don't know if he realized this at the time, but he was tapping into something that's absolutely pivotal. You need cultural pressure for the things that you want. You need it against the things that you don't know if he realized this at the time, but he was tapping into something that's absolutely pivotal. You need cultural pressure for the things that you want. You need it against the things that you don't want.

That way the government is not required to, for example, censor speech. They can let other people do it. Oh, you shouldn't have done that. Mom says it to her son. You know, I guess I agree with Jordan's point. I agree with what we're talking about. But this distinction, this neat distinction between politics and culture, I think is a little blurrier. Because when cultures and societies come to certain decisions, let's say they want to pass blue laws and you can't buy booze on Sunday. Let's say they want

to ban porn or prostitution or something. They come together and they have the social mores, and they reflect that in their law. And so these earlier ages, which had perhaps a more moral and upright or at least virtue conscious people, also had much stricter laws about obscenity and these sorts of things. But most people didn't need the laws. Right. It's an interesting conundrum how that occurs. And the laws, in part, form the people, and the people form the laws, of course. It's very, very blurry. where it's a guy on his knee opening up a ring for a woman. And he says, will you enter into a government contract with me

that guarantees you get all of my stuff and you can also leave it at any time? That's how I think, by the way. That's a really important point, though. It used to be that you could not get divorced. Like the judges would even be able, a judge would be like, you need to go to counseling. Yes. You cannot divorce.

And, you know, now I know that it is unthinkable that we should possibly make our divorce laws a little more restrictive. But of course we should. The societal breakdown that has really ramped up over the past 40, 50 years is a direct result of no-fault divorce. It has ruined people's lives. It has destroyed society. If a marriage bond means nothing, which practically, I mean, this is your point, and I'm not even just blaming the guys

or just blaming the girls. It's set up in such an unfair way. But if that bond means nothing, then you don't have trust as a society. That is a sacred vow you're making, not just before God. That's pretty important too. But it's also a political matter. You're making it before the public. And you're saying, we will be in this bond. If you can just dissolve that willy-nilly, then your social trust evaporates. So let's talk about your book. My book is actually on these sorts of topics.

Exactly. The book is Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. You may have heard of it before. I think I have. Has anyone super chatted it? Did they? One or two? Yeah, a couple of people, controlling minds. You may have heard of it before. I think I have. Has anyone super chatted it? Did they? One or two? Yeah, a couple of people, I think, super chatted it. I do. I have to thank, I truly need to thank

the viewers of this show. You, seriously, if this book makes the list, if this book, if the New York Times is forced to put this on the list, if, which I don't think they would do it willingly, but if they were forced, if this book changes the conversation, it is because of the insane viewers of this show. Well, they're fans of you.

I know. It's wonderful. But I'll say it a million times. Reading the Super Chats was fun. I want people to buy your book. I want people to buy Michael Malice's book, Andy Ngo's book a bunch of hero books james o'keefe books i want it so that when you go to amazon.com and you click book the top 10 are from anti-establishment anti-woke or just maybe voices you haven't heard of yeah because for a long period what were the top books like

white fragility oh yeah right and so what happens is regular people this is part of the information where you're trying to explain to people your ideas and win hearts and win minds. You know what was a big one was Becoming Michelle Obama, which I thought, I don't know if you've seen the conspiracy theory. Oh, yeah. There's this conspiracy theory of talking about transgenderism.

And I just thought, if you're trying to tamp down that conspiracy theory, don't title your book Becoming Michelle Obama. That's not a good idea. Anyway. You've got to ignore the weird stuff, to be honest. That one took me a little too long. It's pretty out there.

I do not subscribe. I know a guy who's like, dude, I swear I watch these videos. I'm like, stop, stop. First of all, stop watching the videos. I don't know why you're looking at those videos. I want to say I love the cover. Thank you. I love the art.

Who did that? This was hotly debated. We went back and forth because some people believed that to sell the book, we needed one of these kind of sticky covers where I'm like winking or something. And, you know, it's really like, whatever. But I just thought, no, I actually am making an argument here. I don't ever intend to write a book again. It's simply too much work.

I'm just only writing blank books from now on. That's good. Going back to my original magnum opus. But I do want to make this argument here because I just feel like, I mean, kind of the central point of the book is whatever we have done to push back against wokeism has advanced wokeism. Isn't that weird? It's just anything, either we, obviously when you get into it, it advances it. But even when we push back really hard against it, still it advances it. And it's because of Tim, actually, a lot of what you've been saying tonight, which is we just don't have any standards and we're not willing to articulate them.

But it's not it's not enough to point that out because you actually then have to articulate what the standard is. And that is not always popular. This is why years ago I began. A lot of people would describe the leftists as intersectionalists or feminists. And I started calling them identitarians. Because identitarian is typically used by white identitarians. Now, identitarianism just means, like, identity and government. So it is policy predicated upon your identity.

Of course, the white identitarians really loved using it. And I said, that's the exact same thing as the critical race theory stuff. And so I'm going to, as someone who doesn't like either, I'll refer to them all under the same name. I had a conversation with a friend who's like a very prominent activist, very, you know, woke. And I just always refer to them as an identitarian. It puts them in the same camp as the white nationalists they hate it but it's true do you have to get more i mean i i'd like this point because i you know you have described what the the conservatives keep messing up which is they keep using the left zone language it's just just uh before you don't forget that i just

want to make this simplified point if you have have a red battlefield and a blue battlefield and you bring everyone onto the red battlefield and say red is the worst choice. It's the only thing that people are experiencing and the only thing they'll talk about. Yeah, they won't even have an experience of blue. Yeah, you need to bring people to your battlefield and make the left come there to argue with you so that instead of learning about critical race theory, they're learning about classical liberalism or conservative values and making the left argue against those. Preferably even the more conservative ones. But it raises this identity question because you're not saying we can't have any kind of identity. Obviously, everybody's got an identity. I got my name.

I got my religion. I got my town. I got my state. I got my country. That's an identity. So you're calling out in particular, it would seem, this racial identity, maybe this kind of crazy gender identity. But it does leave this question open for you, which is what we were talking about earlier in the show. Who are we as a country? And who am I personally? And I've got an old school Catholic answer for you, my friends. Thank you. I've got finally, here it is. Okay. In the Bible, Moses asks God, who are you? What does God say? I am. I am. I am who I am. I am who I am, the essence of being.

And when you identify in that, it's very easy to know who you are when you turn away from that well what am i i'm uh i'm i'm black i'm uh i'm a black lesbian muslim uh ableist cis pan trans damn white catholic male white catholic i'm van halen yeah like it doesn't and you and it's really pathetic it's what little it's what kids do when they try on different different identities. But in order to recover that sense of a national identity, you have to say certain things that are exclusive claims. This is who we are. And if we say this is who we are, it's like a nation with a border. If we say this is the nation, then it means outside the nation, then that's not the nation. If this identity in America, and you might say it's the classical liberal idea, or it's this or it's that or the other thing, but if we say this is what it is, then what we are saying is if you don't go along

with that, you are not an American. You are excluded. You are ostracized. You might be outright censored. Are we willing to make that kind of a claim? One of the challenges that we've been talking about for a while is that in wartime, some of our greatest leaders did horrifying things. We talk about Abraham Lincoln, and we're so happy the North won, but the dude suspended habeas corpus. There's the rumor that he tried to get a Supreme Court justice arrested. He did a lot of really bad things. He threatened the press.

Were they bad? Threatening the press. I mean, these days, I think you should win the Nobel Peace Prize prize for that but i but it's it's it's doing what has to be done to to win and if we saw that happening today if like donald trump you know when he threatens the press the media shrieks and howls if uh if in order to win a war our civil rights were curtailed we would be furious 50 to 100 years on, and it was the right thing to do. Sure. And obviously, there's a double standard, because you've got the Obama administration hounding the press and harassing them.

They obviously face no consequences for that. So yes, we've become much more, but I guess this gets to my point. We've become much more individualistic. We've become much more jealous about our individual, some might say, licentious autonomy. And we've totally lost a sense of what brings us together. You know, a republic refers to the things we have in common, right? The public things that we've got together. So if the left has lost that because they've become insanely individualistic on the social side, basically, they want to have sex with whoever they want to have sex with or whatever, right? And if the conservatives have become insanely individualistic

on, for a long time, the economic side, but on certain aspects of cherished civil liberties, and nobody is paying any attention to what we have to do together, what you have to sacrifice, what you have to suppress, what you have to tamp down in order to have a country together, then obviously the country is going to fizzle and balkanize. Well, this is why, right, balkanization is the best way to describe it. You're talking about the Balkan Peninsula, which is like the Greek Peninsula north of Greece, where it was shattered into like Croatia and all these different little countries. Yeah, and continues to shatter.

And I think people have mentioned peaceful divorce, but there have been many individuals for years have been calling for, more extremists calling for balkanization of the U.S. And name a peaceful national divorce that has ever taken place in history. The Roman Republic split, the Roman Empire split into the Eastern and Western Empire. Of course, then that caused wars for years, hundreds of years. Think about what's happening in the U.S. And as you mentioned, conservatives are too individualistic. So they're not banding together the way the left is.

The left is overly a collectivist. But the scary thing is they have this insane moral ideology. And so then you have the libertarians, you know, and they're in their space. So what happens? Well, a bunch of states start saying, Texas, for instance, we're going to do what we want to do. Have a nice day. Yeah. states start saying texas for instance we're going to do what we want to do have a nice day yeah and joe biden when he comes out and speaks is clearly not talking to texas or florida when

he was saying earlier in the year like oh we got it we got to double down on masks and we got to we got to put more restrictions in place texas and florida were open so who was he talking to clearly not them and that's what's going to keep happening it's not so much that conservatives are necessarily too individualistic it's just that the tribe of conservatives is made up of a bunch of smaller tribes. Yes, but they have no reason to come together. I mean, there was a moment, it's called fusionism. This was the post-World War II conservative movement where Bill Buckley and Frank Meyer and others brought together the libertarians and the traditionalists and the war hawk Dems and later on the later on the neoconservatives to come and and fight against the soviet union soviet union goes away what exactly is uniting the conservatives with the libertarians they have completely different accounts of human

nature they usually want rather different things as a matter of policy why they when you consider the other aspects the neoconservatives and others, they all broke apart during 2016. What is the coalition? Taxation, maybe? Anti-woke. I hope anti-woke is the answer, but I fear, Ian, you're right. I think the only thing they ever agree on is cut taxes. I like tax cuts.

I think anti-woke is a massive component of it, and it's probably because I'm biased. I hope you're right. I'm not the most, like, lower the taxes kind of individual. I was talking to Bannon the other day. I agree with him. He says raise the taxes on the rich. The one problem I said is giving government money. I don't know if that's the answer to the problems.

We just need to eat the rich. It's amazing how the politics have realigned here. But, you know, everyone's always trying to find what the dividing line is i don't think there's one but there's and there are many the media lies do you believe cnn or do you disbelieve you think they're lying well i think that is a core component the matrix or out of the matrix could be the easy way to describe it and then i also think what resenta woke is a very uh core aspect of that as well because you turn on msnbc and they say republicans don't want to teach your children about slavery which is lies insane right absolute

lies yeah and so do you believe the lies or do you are you seeing reality and that's why it's funny that's why they say it's red pill but hasn't the i guess i fear the balkanization has already happened and we're just realizing it you saw the secretary of state anthony blinken is now flying the progress flag at u.s embassies around the world this is a new this thing was invented like five minutes ago and it's like the gay flag with some other racial things and transgender or something on it but that is the new flag of the united states that is that is rather i'll be more specific that is the flag of the liberal empire so obviously the state department the steward of the liberal empire is going to fly it all around the world. The American flag makes claims about America.

The pride flag or even the BLM flag makes universal claims about everywhere on earth. And when you look at Twitter accounts, when you look at people's homes even, conservatives will fly the American flag. Libs will fly the American flag. Libs will fly the pride flag. Those are two different flags, ostensibly for the same country, but it's really now two countries kind of living together. And these major corporations will change their avatars to the pride flag unless they're the Saudi Arabian branch. That's true. It's amazing.

They can't edit their Twitter, I guess, over in Qatar maybe? No, strange. Well, I actually think it might be illegal. No joke. So they literally can't do their Twitter, I guess, over in Qatar, maybe? No, strange. Well, I actually think it might be illegal. No joke. Yeah. So they literally can't do it. Sure. And I wonder, I mean, there's such a pushback against the kind of craziness of the LGBT,

transing the kids, drag queen story hour. But the elites and the elite institutions are all pushing this. I mean, that is the new national identity. So if you're giving an account of what America is, I fear that the pride flag is a matter of our actual governing institutions is more representative. I'll tell you my issue with the embassy's flying flags other than the United States. Yeah. We are the United States. That is the country.

That is the Constitution. It is the Declaration of Independence. You don't have to like the country. You're free to not like it. But you are in America. You are governed by the American government with a Social Security card and all that stuff. That flag is of your country. But the American government is flying the pride flag.

And that's where you see that they're flying the flag of 12. It's between 8 and 12 percent of the country. It is not the majority of the left. It is not the majority of the left it is not the majority of moderates it is absolutely not basically any of the conservatives very very few when you look at this is several years ago but the hidden tribes uh study that came out as you got data i actually talk about hidden tribes eight percent eight percent of the u.s identifies as progressive yeah they're flying the flag of a fringe fringe minority yeah the american flag represents every american citizen the pride flag you're allowed to

like it i got no issue but it certainly does not represent 92 of the country of course that's the case but they want to through the politics and the culture to to transform that and they they just got a new independence day they you know we're coming up on july 4th also known as independence day but now we have a new Independence Day. It's actually in the name of the bill, the Juneteenth National Independence Day Act. This is a local tradition from Galveston when some random dude showed up and mentioned that Lincoln had freed the slaves years earlier, that slaves actually weren't legally freed until the 13th Amendment, which was ratified months after that.

But this random date was contrived almost out of whole cloth by the left to become the new National Independence Day. And the Republicans voted for it. Well, I take issue if the idea is to subvert July 4th. Yeah, but I think that was the idea. I don't take issue with Juneteenth. I'm down for it. Look, we have Labor Day, you know what I mean?

It's like a holiday commemorating people who work. I guess this is my problem, because I see your point. Sure, it's a good thing to free the slaves, so sure. I mean, we honor those who shed blood, a lot of blood and treasure. John Brown, what's up? Ulysses S. Grant said blood and treasure was shed to keep them together and to end this. We already have a holiday for that. Memorial Day was set up after the assassination of Lincoln,

specifically to honor the dead of the Civil War and all that that war represented. I've noticed with, you mentioned Labor Day, all of our holidays, they have to do with gratitude. All of them. Labor Day, it's the ordinary American worker. Veterans Day, obviously. Memorial Day, Christmas, even New Year's Day. We sing about Auld Lang Syne. You know, we'll have a cup of kindness yet.

What about Fourth of July? Fourth of July, obviously, is gratitude to our country and our founding fathers and the country they gave us. But Juneteenth, I find it bereft of gratitude. You hear it in the arguments during the debate to ratify Juneteenth. All of these congressmen saying this is about the injustice to never forget the evils of this country. And even Barack Obama, when he started mentioning Juneteenth,

he said last year that Juneteenth is not about a victory. Juneteenth is about the ever-long march toward progress. I think that's, by the way, why they just picked this random event when some dude showed up in Texas. It's not commemorating anything real. It's just commemorating a middle period in between two other events, because it's not about the victory. It's to remind you of the

evils we've come from and how far we have to go. But maybe they just shouldn't frame it that way. Maybe it should be framed as it was when the marshals showed up in Galveston, where some Texans were holding slaves long after the Emancipation Proclamation.

And these were the last individuals to finally receive their freedom. But it still wasn't properly abolished until the 13th Amendment. I recognize that. I like the idea of more freedom, the better. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'll tell you my issue with it is they attached the red salute to it. Now, that is a very serious problem. Not just the red salute is they attached the red salute to it. Now, that is a very serious problem.

Not just the red salute. It was the red salute in black. So it was also the black nationalist hand. And also, and I couldn't tell this on Twitter, but I think it colors. Yeah. Were the knuckles gay? No, no, no, no, no. It was red, green, and white, I think.

Oh, the sort of black nationalist. Is that what it is? That's Italian. Or Italy. Yeah. Or Italy, whichever. You know, the Italians always have a racial middle ground anyway. Oh, the sort of black nationalist. Is that what it is? Or Italy. You know the Italians always have a racial middle ground anyway. I like the idea

of celebrating, you know, the end of slavery. Yeah, we all do. It desperately needs a branding makeover already. But look at it this way. Abolition Day or something. I think it's fine.

I think it's fine. It's the only holiday named after a day or a month. It's so weird. It's also there are, is it June 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th? It's very confusing. June 10th?

I, I, I, I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about the critical race theorists are, they hate everything. But they like Juneteenth. No, no, no. As you mentioned,

it was not a day of celebration or gratitude. It was to commemorate our anger i'm like yeah yeah i'm not about that i think it should be a day to celebrate our victory over no you know the amoral horrifying institution of slavery but we we agree on that i guess my own this kind of gets back to what we're saying earlier about arguing about what the government should be in theory or what and what it is in practice i agree with you there could be a wonderful day to celebrate the end of slavery and sort of memorial day is that though we don't really think of it that way anymore but the fact is the people who pushed for juneteenth and wrote the name of the bill and made the debates for it and are celebrating it and are putting the black fist with the right either gay or black power colors on the knuckles all of those guys view it and are presenting it as this resent-filled

anti-american day of reckoning and i think yes yeah would that we could perceive it another way but i just and you're you're right about memorial day there was a um i i i didn't look at the story too much but uh someone's mic got cut off he was like a veteran because he mentioned memorial day was set up because of the civil war and had to do with slavery and then they were like no no we don't want to have this he's out yeah but it but it was true memorial day was was was set up uh following what you said was the after the assassination of lincoln yeah i mean very very shortly there so i i i do think it's it's important to – man, this is tough, right? It's – as I often describe it, how many grains of sand make a heap?

It might not be a big deal to many people. They're like, Juneteenth is a great holiday. It celebrates the end of slavery. And then you mentioned Memorial Day does that. Yeah. And those who shed blood to end it. Do you know what – yeah. Real quick, it's not that any one of these arguments, debates, or news stories is the most important.

But when you stack up 10,000 of them, you now have a dramatic shift in your culture and ultimately how people live, their freedoms, and whether things are better or worse. It's death by a thousand cuts, right? All the sand on it. But because I agree with all the people who are shrugging their shoulders and saying, oh, man, who cares? I don't, you know, it's another day off. Frankly, it's not a day off for us, right? It's a day off for some federal employees, but okay, fine. They work so hard, don't they? But the who cares argument has a simple answer. The left cares. That's why they fought tooth and nail to get this thing through. It's the same as the pronouns. Who cares about the pronouns? I wouldn't care about the pronouns, except that the left really cares about the pronouns

because they know that in these very seemingly trivial things, you carry whole premises. In the case of the pronouns, you carry the premise that human nature has nothing to do with our body and a man can be a woman. In the case of Juneteenth, you carry the premise that the original Independence Day was a fraud. It was wicked. And the country is now in Juneteenth. The country is evil, and we need to reckon with it. Did you see there was one jurisdiction that canceled their July 4th parade over COVID, but they had a Juneteenth celebration?

Of course. Of course. I mean, the 4th of July parade, that's unnecessary. And frankly, it's even worse than unnecessary. But Juneteenth, that's our nation's most sacred feast. Let's go to Super Chess. I had a question real quick. Can I identify as no gender?

Yes. Okay, I'm going to start doing it. And you get an X on your ID. Oh, I don't want an X. I don't identify as an X. I want nothing. It's called agender. I'm not agender.

I just don't have one. That's what agender means. I'm not an atheist. I just don't necessarily believe in that there's a God. A means without. So agender is the word. Didn't Prince do that? Didn't Prince, the musician, he was like, he just didn't have a name.

That's why they called him the artist formerly known as Prince. Apparently that was for legal reasons, so it's harder to sue him or something. Really? I don't know. That's what I heard. Anyway, let's go to Super Chats. If you have not already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show, and make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member, support our fierce and independent journalism,

and the bonus segment, which will be coming up after the show. All right. John Lee says, Tim, I had some questions. Are you going to put the stream on your website? And where is my chicken stream? It's been a month since I asked. We are rebuilding Chicken City to make it bigger and better and improved. And we're doing a lot of work right now.

It should be done maybe early next week. And then we've got to set up the computers and everything. we're doing a lot of work right now. It should be done maybe early next week. And then we've got to set up the computers and everything. As we get more and more people onto the team, like we're hiring, like I mentioned, the Paranormal Rider and stuff like that, then we can hire faster and faster and faster, but it's a snowball rolling down a hill, so it starts slow.

Chickens are doing their thing. We are going to be building this really awesome, we're building this really awesome external little cabin treehouse to house the computers and servers that will be above, or underneath it is the chicken city, where we'll have the cameras in the stream. This way we can have a protected area from rain and bad weather, so the cameras can always be operating, and more open space.

There's some other logistical reasons why we have to move it in order to make it happen, but, you know. They've been eating the ground, right? They've been basically chickenizing the earth underneath them They can't eat the bugs or the grass Haven't they consumed all the grass? Oh, definitely So they need to be constantly moved around

We need a bigger space for the chicken run It's an analogy of capitalism It is not sustainable on its own We need to import food, we need to bring things in So they need to have their coop And then they need to have the big open field where they can do chicken stuff. Chicken stuff, yeah. That's right. All right, let's see.

Tony L. says, drop a like for Michael Knoll's Tim Pool jam session. Yes. Maybe, maybe. Super fun. Mark West says, I didn't know Knolls played the guitar. Rock on. Yeah. That's a Michael Knolls original you can only hear here.

Timcast IRL. Some mad finger picking. Matty Matmat says, what the heck, Tim? I thought the jam days were supposed to be on Fridays. I'm speechless. Wow. Just like Michael Knowles' new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is now on sale. You know, if I had really thought to get my own plug in, I would have done the jam with no words.

Oh. Everybody should buy Michael Knowles' book so that it hits number one and then everyone who goes to Amazon or whatever, they see it and they go, I wonder what this is, and they look at it and they buy it. And then the New York Times, they're like, here's a bestseller. That's what needs to happen. It would be so glorious.

The one thing I've noticed, I've been perusing the charts just obsessively and just completely neurotically, and I've been looking. Apparently, the majority of books in the top 100 books on Amazon are children's books and cookbooks. Interesting. They are. But

there are some political books up there. I really, look, I want to beat the left, but I really want to beat Ben Shapiro. I really, he's got a book coming out. It's called The Authoritarian Moment. That's going to be my campaign slogan when I run in a few years. out. It's called The Authoritarian Moment. That's going to be my campaign slogan when I run in a few years.

Knowles 2028, The Authoritarian Moment. And so I really, you know, all those things. Please help me to beat you. Please. All right. We got one here. Valorant says, 10-10 opening. I was left speechless.

Wow. Just like when I read Unmasked by Andy Nolte. Oh, wait, wait. Good book. Oh, man, wait. Good book. Oh, man, you got me. They got you. You got me. How many of these do I have to read?

Rampton says Michael Knowles plays guitar and sings. I'm speechless. Speak of speechless, speechless. Controlling words, controlling minds. Now available for order. I hope I'll sign my audio book. I will sign your audio book. Bring it on over.

Oh, man. Wow. Is that just, it's all the super chats. Pretty much. These are super chats I'm reading through them. It's all, that's great. The whole thing, it's like every single one is, I'm speechless, I'm speechless. Love it.

No, no, I genuinely mean it. I mean, one of the most powerful things you can do, let me explain something. I think Joe Rogan's great with all due respect. I think one of the biggest issues for him moving off of iTunes was that because he was first in best address when it comes to podcasts, whenever you'd open iTunes, the podcast app, you'd see Joe Rogan. By going exclusive to Spotify and getting paid very well for it, mind you, he lost that real estate. So I'm sure it had an impact to a certain degree. So I bring that up just because being the top trending anything

on an algorithm in front of these big networks means the marketing power you get cannot be paid for. If Speechless becomes number one on Amazon that's marketing power that creates it's a snowball rolling down a hill. You get to a certain threshold and then people who have not heard about it from this a hill you get to a certain threshold and then people

who have not heard about it from this show or any other show start buying it and then it dominates but the most important thing is the cultural impact it would have

for people to see the top selling book is a book like Speechless it would and to unseat one of these lib books or Ben Shapiro or more importantly

Ben Shapiro no I would have to agree with your criticism of Joe Rogan only because Joe has not yet invited me on his show. If he invites me, I will retract my criticism in that way. Yes. I'm not trying to criticize him.

I'm just saying. But I am because he did. No, I'm joking. Yeah, Spotify bought that, bought it out for him, basically. They were like, we're going to make sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're worth giving up that spot on iTunes. But it's a very powerful spot.

But like you said, money can't buy that kind of exposure. I mean, you kind of – But it can buy like jets and stuff and boats. I guess enough money can buy – Well, here's an interesting question, right? So one of the reasons I would not want to give up something like that is because my goal is not just about me making money and buying a house. It's like – The way I explain it is I make money doing this job and the company is doing really well.

I don't want to buy a Ferrari. I want to buy a good journalism. Yeah, yeah. I'm happy when we'll have a great expose that comes out and exposes corruption. I'll be like, yes. Like it was the work of that journalist and it was what I was able to help fund and pay for. So when I'm sitting on my deathbed and I'm thinking about the things I have, I will have historical moments that have done good things that helped change the world for the better. I don't care about stuff.

You know, I forget who it was. It was some dead guy. I'm just going to say Moliere. But I don't know. It could be Shaw. I have no idea who it was. Somebody said that hell, the definition of of hell is the place where you have nothing to do but amuse yourself and we all know that's true right if you you know even when you're

in school and you go on vacation the first two or three days just like loafing around watching movies whatever and by day four you're you're just suicidal you know you're like give me something to do again and that's what you're saying tim is like you know tooling around in your ferrari is great but eventually you want to do something. Yeah, I would have more fun. I'll tell you one thing. You know why I really wanted to hire someone to do paranormal and unsolved mysteries? It's because I was on a road trip.

I've been on several road trips. I drove from New York to Chicago to North Dakota for the Dakota Access Pipeline stuff, and I love unsolved mystery stories. But it's so hard to find a good one yeah and so i'm like pulling up some ghost stories and a lot of them are no disrespect to some of these shows i won't call them out by name but it's like a guy talking to somebody it's like a phone call and i'm like where's the true crime style of like music and stuff but for the paranormal unexplained and i couldn't find it i searched it, and I listened to dozens or hundreds trying to find, like, something that was like the show Unsolved Mysteries was. I grew up watching when I was a kid, and I was, like, always freaked out, like, the music. All of our moms had Lifetime on.

I know. You know, it's television for women, but they had Unsolved Mysteries. It was a good show. It was great. I've heard the guy's name who did The Voice, but his voice was just so good and the music was creepy and I was always sitting there scared. I'm like, I want a show like that. I don't need a Ferrari. I need a show like that. I'm like, who do I fund? We're working on it.

We have this guy. He's writing long form pieces every week, exploring a lot of these stories, cults, murders, mysteries, ghosts, Bigfoot, etc. Then we're going to turn it into a podcast once a week where it's a combination of story, sound effects, like a feature, plus discussion and conversation after that goes on. I love that.

I mean, DW is trying to do similar sorts of things. But this is the problem where I'm about as conservative as it gets. I'm like knuckle-dragging Attila the Hun. And yet Friday night rolls around and me and the Hunnie are sitting on the couch watching something, and we're all watching these entertainment pieces, but they're from a lib perspective on lib platforms. I'm giving my money

to some lib billionaire, and I think, why can't we do that? Why can't we do something? I don't want it to be political, but I would say that I think my perspective is going to be a moral framework built on Judeoo-christian values yeah i am not a particularly religious person but i grew up with america having these values so i don't think we're not going to make a movie where it's like um an evil abortion doctor

is going around you know kidnapping women or anything like crazy like that no it'll be like a regular movie but it'll have tropes about heroic behavior yes um uh it'll probably be stories right it'll be stories that chaos and loss and struggle and just success and normal things about people in their lives it's not super political but there will probably just be that perspective within it that's not lib perspective that's not leftist or woke yeah and that's what you know i think we need like you know so anyway i think the guy was was Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries. The narrator. Great. That was the guy.

Yeah, Robert Stack. Love that guy. All right. What does it say? Blurstar? Blurstar says, Michael, I am an unaligned Christian leaning toward Catholic or Orthodox. I think the Pope being the shepherd to the church is important, but I have a problem with papal supremacy. What should I do to figure out my internal conflict?

Well, you should show up to mass, I believe. You know, if your issue is the role of the pope, and when we say papal supremacy, that can mean a very narrow thing of the special role for the pontiff and the vicar of Christ, or it can mean this ridiculous kind of broad thing where a lot of people misunderstand it to mean that if the pope says the two plus two equals five, then it does, and that's not what it means. The Pope has the right to, and a special privilege to, of infallibility when he is discussing matters of faith and morals from ex-cathedra,

right? So this is a narrow world. He has the right to defend Catholic doctrine. He does not have the right to negate Catholic doctrine. He can't do that. The Pope could come out tomorrow and say all sorts of kooky things, and it wouldn't carry any weight. Going back, not just a few hundred years, but going back to the earliest days of the Church, the Bishop of Rome had a special role in figuring out disputes between the other bishops, between Alexandria and Athens. This comes from Peter. Peter is the first bishop of Rome. You can trace that unbroken line all the way down. The keys are handed to Peter and Christ says, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail

against it. He says, who sins you forgive are forgiven, who sins you retain are retained. I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. That seems to be a special privilege. And Peter ends his life, or his life is ended for him, crucified upside down in Rome. And the obelisk that was looking upon that very crucified Peter is now standing in Vatican City. And so I think a lot of times you'll hear people make anti-Catholic arguments by going back to the alleged history, and they all say there were all these various apostasies and everything. I think the history is on the side of Rome. Right on. All right.

Mr. Toad says, Michael, I just bought your first book as I eagerly await the arrival of the new one. I don't have time to read it, though, because I drive all day for a living. Is there an audio book version available for Reasons to Vote for Democrats? There is, in fact. You can look up the artist as John Cage. The title is 433. This is the official audio book of Reasons to Vote for Democrats,

and I hope you enjoy it. Is he just turning pages? It's a beautiful musical composition. This super chat's actually from a while ago. Tyler Toth says, fix your shirt collar, Knowles. Shaking my head. Is it popping out?

No. Oh, no. No. You know, look. Oh, no. I'm actually, I'm glad to hear this because sometimes people worry I'm a little too buttoned up. Okay. You're loose.

I'm getting loose, baby. I thought that was intentional. I'm at Tim Pool's show. That's right. I'm hanging, man. Pop out one collar. You're rocking that. Not two, man.

I don't want to. I might have to pop it back in. I can't take it. Alright, let's see. Douglas Kaplan says, Tim, Michael, I pray that your businesses grow. I want the truth, and sometime the truth is in the middle. I really hope this donation helps out. It certainly does. Thank you very much. That's very nice.

Caleb Greenlee says, Hey, Michael, please state why you think a liberal education is important. Also, what do y'all think of joining the military with the outbreak of wokeness in the military poli-sci major and naval officer applicant so the purpose of a liberal education is to make sense of your freedom that's what it that's what it comes from the liberal arts we are free people because we're human beings however we have lower wills and higher wills and the higher rational will the lower will is our appetite wills and the higher rational will. The lower will is our appetite.

It's we want to shoot up the heroin or we want to eat too much fast food or we want to see too many women. And then the higher will is the rational will where we know we shouldn't do some of those things. But if we don't cultivate virtue and discipline our will and develop those habits, we give in to them anyway. St. Paul writes about this. He says, the things that I want to do, I do not do. The things that I don't want to do, I do. That sounds like an impossibility. But of course, he's referring to these two wills.

And this lower will, which is our appetite, hopefully will come into the discipline of the higher will. That's what happens in liberal education. And the higher will is the mediator between the lower will and the divine will. OK, that's the theory of it. The way this is practiced is by learning these liberal arts. The problem is that it's very difficult to get a liberal education today. At the great schools, what are considered the most prestigious schools, it's almost impossible.

Donald Kagan, the great ancient Greek historian, former dean of Yale College, he once commented that you did not need a liberal education to graduate from Yale. He later commented you might not be able to get a liberal education if you graduate from Yale. I think there are a handful of schools where you can get it. Hillsdale, Ave Maria, Franciscan of Steubenville, Thomas Aquinas. There are a handful. But if you don't get it there, I would strongly recommend you do it yourself. You engage in the great reading lists. My friend Spencer Clavin

has a great podcast on this, Young Heretics, which takes you through the Western canon. It's really important. You know, conservatives very often, they'll say, just major in STEM. Just major in engineering. That's the only thing. I think totally the opposite. If you're going to study anything, study literature, study history, study philosophy, it's not going to get you a job. But it will help you make sense of your freedom, and you can go to trade school after that.

Right on. And trade school is probably better for work anyway it's way better for work yeah ben walker says glad to see my favorite austere religious podcaster back on the show thank you it's good to be back it's good to be with you oh yeah and i want to mention too because he asked about joining the military my opinion on the military as someone who hasn't served is just i've talked to a lot of people who said that they ended their careers over the wokeness of the military. Yeah, no, I have as well. Very sad to see, but I think that's the culmination of the strategy, right? The woke people want them to end their

careers. And then Russia fires some warning shots, and China takes Taiwan, and we go, well, we shouldn't retaliate against China because of white privilege and colonialism. We kind of started it, actually. And Taiwan's probably better with them anyway. But Russia has a bunch of white dudes.

Yeah. So we can go to war with them. But, you know, Russia, they're the only white dudes who are allowed to be, rather, they're the villainous white dudes. Like, you know, in the movies, black guys and other races can never be the villain. Almost never. But there's always, so it's a white villain. And the villain is always the Russian. Yeah. Because they're like kind of the weird white. It was British for a while. Now it's always, so it's a white villain and the villain is always the Russian.

Yeah. Because they're like kind of the weird white. It was British for a while, now it's Russian. Now it's Russian, yeah. They love those two. Rad number two says,

Tim, if you ever get big enough to start a movie studio, please make a realistic remake of Red Dawn where the bad guys are the woke U.S. military. All I ask in return for this idea is a producer credit.

Oh. That doesn't sound too expensive to produce at all. No, you know, so the guy who made the original Red Dawn is actually a friend of mine John Milius this legend in Hollywood Lebowski is based

on him he's just this maniac you know he's got guns everywhere he's a cigar chomping yeah he said he's tremendous and his daughter Amanda Milius is a filmmaker who did yes she did the plot against the president I would absolutely love to do a movie where there is a filmmaker. Yes, she did the plot against the president. I would absolutely love to do a movie where there is a rift in U.S. armed forces between woke and anti-woke.

I would not want to make a movie where we villainize one or the other, where the woke are like, but we actually represent their ideas as they stand. And then show this conflict between two factions in the US breaking apart and do an actual I mean I wonder if it would be like there's no real antagonist it's kind of like the Red Dawn is from within right it's just like our own guys you know in most movies there's a very clear antagonist protagonist

or you know who the good guys the bad guys are I think it would be interesting to have you know there are movies that have done this kind of thing where you have just the perspective of the two factions and the war they engage in without saying either is good or bad so you're saying you could have two the conservative and the lib go to watch the movie and they each think the other one is the antagonist that's pretty yeah or or actually be like get mad yeah and be like that's not how we think yeah and the conservative would say the same thing and the liberals say the same thing but it would actually try to be a fair representation of the values

not as they see it as it is right right you know what i mean yeah so you might actually end up with a conservative arguing that we have to curtail some civil liberties it's like wartime like abraham lincoln like in world war ii with all due respect to the bill of rights this is war and we suspend habeas corpus when it comes to fighting for our lives and our values. And then you have the woke saying the exact same thing in a different way. You know, the founding fathers were bad. And if we don't use any means necessary to win, we will be wiped out by white supremacists. Well, I think it was John McCain who made this point.

You know, John McCain was very anti-torture because he was tortured in Vietnam. But I don't think this is apocryphal. I think I'm remembering this clearly. John McCain was asked, well, what if there were a really bad event about to happen? Would you torture someone? He says, no. Well, what if it were really, really bad? Would you torture someone?

No. What if some guy's about to set off a bomb in downtown L.A. and the only way to get the codes is to torture him? And he finally says, well, I'd get the codes. You know, at a certain point, we're all going to do what has to be done. Yeah. This is a torture him. And he finally says, well, I'd get the codes. You know, at a certain point, we're all going to do what has to be done. Yeah, this is a good one.

Clef the Misfit says, Tim, for your crossfire thing with Vosh, you need to pit him against Eric July. He said you wanted a libertarian and it will keep Vosh from using racialized arguments as a defense mechanism. Actually, I think Eric July

would be fantastic. Not necessarily because I think it would keep Vosh from using racialized arguments. I think he would. And certainly if that's his position, he should. I just think Eric July would be fantastic. Not necessarily because I think it would keep Vosch from using racialized arguments. I think he would, and certainly if that's his position, he should. I just think Eric July actually would be a really great person to have on with Vosch. So, Eric, if you're hearing this, let's see if you, you know, maybe we can have, yeah, what do you think? Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

In fact, both of the other people that I recommended to argue with Vosch were African-American. So I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I'm not trying to do, you know, this partly came about on Twitter because he mentioned that he's spoken with a ton of conservatives and none of them knew what critical race theory was. And to be fair, I think my response to him was not

I could have done a better job. The issue with it, you know, when he asked me to define critical race theory, I was like, in layman's terms, I can't give you the academic definition. I don't have it pulled up. But what i was trying to convey was because i don't prepare for debates like i'm trying to go to the war with this guy there are things that people say about critical race theory let's try and break down what that means and what our actual complaints are authoritarianism racial identitarianism these things and an overt attack on property rights i

mean one i forget the guy who wrote it, but it's in that seminal text on critical race theory. They say that the very system of private property in the United States is a white supremacist evil system that needs to be dismantled. That's why people call them communists, is because they are.

But so, you know, I wasn't approaching it like I needed to prove to his side I knew what I was talking about. So I'm like, but anyway, this is how it ended up coming about. I was like, I'd love to it like I needed to prove to his side I knew what I was talking about. Yeah. So I'm like, but anyway, this is how it ended up coming about. I was like, I'd love to have you back on the show. We can have another conversation and maybe see where our views have changed or developed and things like that. And my issue is if you want me to say critical race theory is the analysis of where race intersects with policy, sure.

But that's not what anyone means by critical race theory. That's the elevator pitch they give you when academics ask what it is. It's not fair and it's not true. Yeah, it's important to flesh out the definitions. Like Lydia, like you were saying earlier, it's the impetus of debate is that you know the definition

of what you're debating. How else can you debate? Or at least you know the other person's idea of what the definition is. All right, let's see what we got. Evan S. says, Michael, did you get my Christmas wreath last year? I didn't get my thank you note. Oh, you did. You know, I actually, I thought I did send

you a thank you note, but I'm very sorry if that did not go out. And I promised to fire however many assistants that I need to for not sending it out. I loved it. Wow. I'm so glad that you're here. I got this wonderful Christmas wreath now two years in a row with a lovely advent, like a, you know, a candle holder. And it it's great. I put it up right in my living room. And I put the wreath on my front door. Advent calendars are the best. Oh, I love it. Oh, yeah. You're telling me. So it's during Advent

in the month of December. Every day, you're supposed to open it up and read some scripture and really meditate on the coming of Christ. And then when you're kids, it's really, you just kind of get like a chocolate every single day. They have them for adults now, though, which is it'll have like a little nip in it, you know, some kind of booze.

You know, usually you open them right in the morning. So it's like, I don't know if I need an eye opener as I'm awaiting the coming of Jesus. When I was little, we had this cloth calendar where a little mouse would move from day to day, tracking the days. And we had the advent calendars. You'd pop open the day and there'd be scripture. And then you get a piece of candy. Yeah.

Oh man. Those are the days. All right. Let's see. Jen says, Michael, I have received your new book, speechless,

controlling words, controlling minds today. I'm on chapter three and very much enjoying it so far. Thank you for your work. Thank you very much. I'm so honored when people read it. You know, especially, I've come to this as a best-selling author

of nothing, right? So the only thing I've ever published is nothing, and then people joke and say, I read your book. You know, I read it very quickly. It's funny. I mean, I made the jokes too.

But I'm actually really quite happy that people are reading it, and I'm glad that you don't hate it. I'm glad that you like the audience. They're actually reading it. All right. We'll try and get as many more as we can in jesus uh lopez or jesus lopez did anyone know native americans kept slaves three years after

america declared them free yeah is that true i did know that and they also uh the civilized tribes that's i'm not i'm not inventing that term that's actually what they were referred to in parts of the United States. They held slaves at a similar rate to the local whites. And a lot of people don't know that the Native Americans who were marched down the Trail of Tears actually shipped slaves in front of them. And in some cases marched the slaves in front of them as well. And they were not as eager to give up their slaves as other people in the country. You're not allowed to tell that story, though, because it messes up the victim narrative

of the left. That is very interesting. Interesting. All right, let's see. Actual Justice Warrior says Juneteenth is called Emancipation Day in Texas. Oh, cool. It was called Black Independence Day on the show, Black-ish. Check Google. Almost no mentions pre-2017. Yeah, no, it's completely made up. I mean, it's

not made up in the sense it was a local tradition. It was in Texas. As a national fact, it's completely made up. And the thing I mean, it's not made up in the sense it was a local tradition. It was in Texas. As a national fact, it's completely made up. And the thing that I find so offensive about it is not that the left contrived this fake holiday to reframe American history. It's that they forced us all to pretend like we'd ever heard of this thing before. Statistically, very few people had ever heard of Juneteenth before, like three years ago. Well, the argument from the left is, why didn't we? Why didn't we? But the weird thing is, when I went to school when I was growing up,

they were like, I see this meme from the left, they're like, why didn't you know about the Tulsa massacre of Black Wall Street? And I was like, I did. Yeah, well, right, for the Tulsa race, right, sure, you know. But I even think, in answer to that question, why had you not heard of Juneteenth? Because it didn't matter that much is actually my answer. It wasn't that important.

Well, this is an interesting thing. I was having an argument with someone, and I think it was on Twitter. No, no, maybe it wasn't on Twitter. No, no, it was on Facebook. And they were like, they don't teach this stuff. And I was like, they taught it where I grew up, and we all knew about this stuff. And they're like, well, they didn't teach it to me. And I was like, did you grow up in a wealthy suburb?

Well, yeah. I was like, maybe. No, no, but for real, you grew up in a white suburb? Well, yeah. I was like, maybe. No, no, but for real, you grew up in a white suburb where they probably didn't think it was relevant for you, so you're shocked. I grew up in the south side of Chicago where they probably thought it was relevant because of, it's Chicago, it's extremely racially diverse, it's segregated,

but it probably was, you know, something that people knew about. Of course, I grew up in New York. We learned a lot about the Iroquois. Why? Because the Iroquois were the Indians from New York. I didn't learn that much about the Cherokee or the Apache. I bet people who lived in those areas of the country learned more about them. Our communities actually have something

to do with our education. In Northeast Ohio, we talked a lot about the Iroquois, the longhouses and stuff. Third grade, we used to learn about them. They were cannibals, actually. That's another thing you're not allowed to say. A lot of those natives were cannibals. Yeah, the Caribs. Actually, the word cannibal comes from the Carib Islanders who were famously cannibals. Columbus discovered them. Reza Aslan is a famous cannibal.

Also notable. Yes, you find them in the Iroquois, in the Caribbean, and on CNN. You will, too. Well, they canceled his show. They did. LA says, hey, Tim, are you hiring data analysts at the moment? If so so where do we apply i'm pretty skilled artist as well thanks keep up the good work hopefully soon but i don't

think right now um maybe in a few months it just depends on where we where we go and grow the newsroom is an investment there's there's no guarantee that we make money off of a newsroom but i want a newsroom so like i said i'm not gonna buy a ferrari i'm gonna buy a newsroom and we're gonna have journalists do awesome stuff. But hopefully the articles will be relevant, will be trustworthy. I believe they will because we're gonna be hiring a fact check, an editor and a fact checker. So it's like triple checked. The journalist does the work, the editor reviews it, and the fact checker goes back through it. And the fact checker won't even be in the same building as these people, as the journalists. And then hopefully that value

proposition of getting double fact-checked and good reporting makes people share it, they read it, and then it just serves as a way to have people find out about the website and then it helps grow the business. Effectively, marketing. Journalism was always a lost leader. It was prestigious.

People wanted to know about the news, but then they would get access to the other bits of the newspaper, the advertisements or whatever. So journalism was always a way to spread the word, to spread the word about the work you're doing and the news. Hopefully this works out. We'll see how it plays out. But I think either way, we are going to be subsidizing good journalism as long as I'm alive.

And we'll figure out how to make it last beyond that. That's kind of the point. Oh, hey, this is cool. Someone just said, where did it go? It just jumped away from me. Sam Smith says, Speechless is number one in politics and propaganda because they can't accept that it is number one in hearts and minds.

Wow, thank you. And I take it as a great honor to be considered the number one propagandist in America. Congratulations, sir. Speaking of CNN, yeah, I'm glad I supplanted them. Is that actually a category, though, propaganda? I take it that it is. I mean, you know, on Amazon, there's a million different categories, but, yeah, I'm glad I supplanted them. Is that actually a category, though, propaganda? I take it that it is. I mean, you know, on Amazon there's a million different categories,

but, yeah, I'm glad they're already calling me a propagandist. All right. Jonathan Duger says, Michael, I had a calling to take Matthew 1038 literally. I have to make 12 feet tall by 6 feet wide and carry it to my church, which is 10 miles away from my house. Any helpful advice would be appreciated. Hmm. Could you pull up the verse? I'm sorry that the verse is carry it to my church, which is ten miles away from my house. Any helpful advice would be appreciated. Hmm. Could you pull up the verse?

I'm sorry that the verse is not jumping to my mind. Matthew 10, 38. Yeah, do you have it? Yeah, I can look it up. Hold on a second. We'll look it up. While she pulls it up, I'll read this. Stephen Walker says, get actual Justice Warrior on the show, Tim.

I have heard good things. I have heard good things. Yeah, sure. You know, this is that proof. The Protestants always knock the Catholics because we don't read the Bible. Now, we read the Bible liturgically. We read it as part of math,

but it means that we can't, like we don't pull these up all of the time. Oh, yes, that's a specific one. The one verse I can always pull up is Leviticus 17.7. What is it? Ye shall no longer sacrifice your sacrifices to goat demons after whom you whore.

Huh. Wow. That's a pretty solid verse. That one stuck out to me. Sacrifice to sacrifice. The Matthewton might be, yeah. Like not sacrifice? Yeah, yeah, sorry. I haven't been there. Wow. That's a pretty solid verse. That one stuck out to me. Sacrifice to sacrifice. The Matthew 10 might be, yeah. Like not sacrifice? Yeah, yeah.

Sorry, Ian, I'm in a hurry. No, no, we'll go later. The verse that he was talking about, which makes sense, Matthew 10, 38 says, whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. So he wants to like physically build a cross and haul around. Well, it's very, I mean, that's not everything is to be taken quite literally. You know, the parables, for instance, are not literal, but's, not everything is to be taken quite literally. Right. The parables, for instance, are not literal.

But it is important that people take up their cross. And don't forget, by the way, people always think, well, you've got to take up your cross, and it's just going to be awful and terrible. But Christ also says, my yoke is easy and my burden is light. This is actually quite a sanctifying process. Maybe you can build the cross out of balsa wood. Well, what is it Jordan Peterson says about picking up the heaviest thing you can find and carrying it? That's the same idea.

Yeah, that's true. And the lobsters. And the lobsters. That's right. And the lobsters. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for hanging out. It's been fun.

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and we're trying to leverage these networks. You can follow me personally at TimCast. Someone superchatted saying that I should go to Wakefield Skate Park. I will do my best to be there on Saturday. Oh, is it nearby? It's maybe 50, 60 miles. Oh, okay, so it's a drive.

What do we do? Maybe Saturday morning we'll be there man actually i don't know if i can do saturday morning we'll see i'll try to get there we'll see if i'm there um you want to shout out a book perhaps oh oh this whole thing are you this is you have a new book you know i'm glad to be here on the official distribution channel of speechless controlling words controlling minds probably more than the Daily Wire even at this point. That's legally binding.

You said it. It is. Oh, no. This is your book now. I did. I brought it. Thank you so much to everyone who's preordered. Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

Available. I think there's still some signed first editions, which you can get at SpeechlessBook.com. You can also get it anywhere books are sold, including in the top propaganda bin at Amazon. In the gas station propaganda bin. The propaganda bin at Amazon. In the gas station propaganda bin. The propaganda bin at the airport, yes. Follow me at IanCrossland.net. And on social media, Ian Crossland, I just want to give a special shout-out to Michael Knoll's new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

Pick up a copy on Amazon and anywhere that books are sold. Is that accurate? Yes, we've got the stick. It's perfect. I think that we are, in fact that accurate? Yes, we've got the stick. It's perfect. I think that we are, in fact, selling this because I did pull up the Amazon listing. You are the number one bestseller in, quote, propaganda and political psychology. Love it. And I did have a question.

Michael, I had a question for you. So your first book had no words. Correct. So to me, is that why your second book is named Speechless? It's a little cheeky. And by the way, the first book had no words. This book is about words. The entire book is about words.

Yes. And so I feel like I've covered the entire spectrum. Agreed. And I never have to do it again. Yes. Awesome. I have a book that says, like, it's something like how the policies of the left will save America. And then every page just says they won't.

They won't. I was going to try to sue the guy you know I didn't know because there are other blank books. Yeah. There's everything men know about women sex

after 50 the wit and wisdom of the German people. They're a bunch. Yeah. That should be mine. That should be the next one.

All right everybody we will see you over at TimCast.com. Thanks for hanging out. Bye guys.