Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #317 - North Korean Yeonmi Park Joins, Says Woke Is CRAZIER Than NK Is w/China Uncensored

Episode Date: June 26, 2021

Tim & Lydia host North Korea defector Yeonmi Park jointly with China Uncensored hosts Chris Chapelle & Shelley Zhang to recount Yeonmi's story of horror and triumph and compare China and North Korea and the role of wokeness in the US today that Yeonmi saw during her time at Colombia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'd be willing to make a bet, a gentleman's bet, that if Kim Jong-un did an interview with, I don't know, Dave Rubin, he would be allowed to say basically anything. He could talk about how he wins all the elections fair and square in North Korea, how everyone loves him, it's all perfect, there's no corruption, gulags don't exist, and there's no suppression of people's rights, none of that. YouTube would have no problem with him saying literally whatever he wanted to say. I mean, obviously, if he made direct threats against a person, take him down. But I bet if he also started talking about how, you know, making claims about war and their missile tests and just lying, YouTube wouldn't care. If Donald Trump comes out and says things, you may have seen Dave Rubin interviewed him. He just

has these huge bleeps, and he's like, you're going to have to go off-platform to watch because they'll actually just take down the video. It's strange how that works, and joining, we've got a couple different guests today. Of course, we have China Uncensored joining, and we've had you guys before,

so thanks for coming back, but we have a special guest, North Korean defector, who actually just told me that the woke are crazier than North Korea was. Wow. So, Yeonmi Park is here. So, we'll learn all about your story, who actually just told me that the woke are crazier than North Korea was. Yeah. Wow. So Yeonmi Park is here.

So we'll learn all about your story, and we'll have a general conversation about the region and North Korea. Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself? Yeah. Where do I even look at? So many people are telling me. Name, where you're from, and why you left. So my name is Yeonmi Park. I was born in North Korea, Northern part.

I escaped in 2007 into China. After two years of slavery in China, unfortunately, I had to cross the Gobi Desert to Mongolia by walking. Wow. Then in 2009, that's where I flew to South Korea from Mongolia. Wow. And I came to America in 2016 earlier to go to Columbia University in New York. Wow.

Suffice to say, it's really nice in America. America's great. We have our problems. Oh, yeah. Massive problems. Wow. Well, I definitely want to hear about this and the comparison between what's happening in America and obviously the hardships you've gone through. And, of course, we've got China Uncensored. Shelly?

Yeah, whoever wants to introduce themselves. I'm Shelly. I'm the humor ninja for China Uncensored. And I'm Chris. I host China Uncensored. And America Uncovered. Right on. So we have a lot to talk about, I guess.

How about we just talk about North Korea? We'll start with that. What about it? How is it? I remember seeing this video before. Actually, I'm forgetting my place here. Guys, you've got to smash the like button. You've got to go to TimCast.com.

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We chill on Friday. We're going to have some conversations. So let's just get into the conversation. So I saw this video that went viral that claimed reportedly it was made in North Korea talking about homelessness in the United States. Yeah. And it was saying, like, look how bad it is in America with all these people who don't have homes and North Korea isn't like that. Yeah. So I guess we'll just start starting with this. Right. like that. So I guess we'll just start starting with this, right?

How clearly there is an internal view of North Korea and a view that people there have of the United States. And then from that, your experience, you know, so how about we just

how about I just start over and say, what was it like growing up in North Korea? Why did you want to leave? So North Korea, almost like when I describe it, it's not like even a different country. It's like a different planet.

Wow. In this 21st century, they don't have electricity. And if you look at the satellite photos, it's the darkest place on Earth, like literally. So I say like we have Earth Day every day in North Korea. Very good for the environment. And we don't even know what Internet is. Like, people have no clue, right? And they don't have any outside information.

So North Korea literally calendar begins when Kim Il-sung was born, not when Jesus Christ was born. And they don't even tell us that we are Asians. They say you are Kim Il-sung race. Really? Yeah. That's the racism, you know, the highest. So they do not let you know what the outside world look like.

And I didn't even know Africa, different continents. I never seen the map of the world. All I knew was North Korea, Americans, but they say American bastards. That's like a one word. Really? Yeah. So how did you know that you had it bad or how did you know that you wanted to leave? I did not know I had it bad because I remember they were showing us these footages of Americans and showing the homeless people, right? And they look at America, there's no birds because everybody ate all the birds. I heard that.

Yeah. We didn't, though. Actually, that's not completely untrue. What was it, the passenger pigeon? Do you guys know this? Yeah. They used to go out with nets and just catch pigeons and then eat them, and they drove it to extinction.

Interesting. So that actually happened, but we do have a lot of birds, and there's pigeons everywhere. Yeah. There drove it to extinction. Interesting. So that actually happened, but we do have a lot of birds, and there's pigeons everywhere. Yeah. Like, there's pigeons on boats. Exactly. Yeah, so what happened? And they show they cannot, they, like, eat the snow

because they are so hungry. Basically, they are describing what we were having in North Korea. And then in schools like that, like, they say, there are four American bastards. You kill two American bastards. Then how many American bastards left to kill? Then as a younger, you said four American bastards. You kill two American bastards. Then how many American bastards left to care? Then as a young girl, you said two American bastards. So even though when they teach you math, it has to be propaganda.

Interesting. Everything has to relate to one thing. It's brainwashing us. Wow. So North Korea is apparently a religion. It's a kingdom, right? Yeah. They keep their songs of parents who were christians so he copied the bible

said i'm a god i love you so much so i'm giving you my son kim jong-il his body dies but no no he's he's like spiritually with us forever therefore he knows what you think how much hair you in your head wow i mean if the people believe in bible i mean why would you blame people not believing that, right? Because they cut out every information. So people do not know even what is critical thinking is. So how did it come to be that you decided to leave? Hunger.

I was 13 years old. I was luckily by then I was living in this border town. And at nighttime, I could see lights coming from China and I was thinking maybe if I go where the lights were I might find something to eat. Wow I did an interview with some New Zealanders who rode motorcycles through North Korea into South Korea. Have you ever did you ever hear of them? No. So they organized what these individuals wanted to do was travel motorcycle they wanted to ride motorcycles along famous routes so they did like the silk road they did the coast of south america and then they they wanted to do through north korea into south korea

but there's no real roads to do it there's very difficult but they were telling me how when they went through there they were saying like this is what they explained to me. And so this is hearsay. And I just, well, you know, you can correct me. That if there was like a farm and a cow died, they couldn't eat the cow. No. That someone would have to come and take the meat and spread it around the country evenly to everybody or something like that. No.

What would happen? So North Korea, there are three, it's a caste system. They began with the communism, right? Let's make everyone equal. But now they got, ended up with 50 different classes within same people. 50? Yeah. Wow.

They divide three big categories and they divide the subclasses to 50 different classes. And you never can go up, you can only go down. So that's how they prevent people mixing around being married. There's no way you marry up. If you marry somebody in a different class, you go down with them. You don't go up with them. Wow.

So in that case, one of the executions that my mom saw was this young man. He had TB. TB is a huge problem in North Korea. Tuberculosis? Yeah. So he ate the cow in the farm, and then they were executing him. For eating meat?

Yeah. So I never ate beef in my life because cows are supposedly working in the farm. So you don't have a private property. Nobody can own anything. We cannot own cows. We cannot own cars, house, nothing we can own, right? It's a communism. So you own nothing, and you must be very happy.

Yeah, that great reset looks better every day, doesn't it? Tell us about our future. Liberation. You own nothing, yeah. So if the cow dies, of course the officials gotta come and take it for them. And if the normal

people eat it, you're gonna be executed. What do they do with the cow? The official type elites, they divide it with themselves. So they take it for like the upper caste? Yeah, upper caste takes it. And they call even the shocking thing is like this upper caste don't even call normal North Koreans

are people. They call us like trash, rubbish. That's how within North Korea, different castes treating each other. Wow. Is that because of like historical family things? Like, oh, you weren't part of the revolutionary party and that's how you end up in the lower class?

So this is what made me very sad of America. It's like here all about white guilt. Like your ancestors owned the slaves, therefore you must be guilty and you are privileged. In North Korea, the same thing. Because maybe my great-great-great-grandfather was a landowner or

not fighting for the communist side. Then they say your blood is tainted forever. How do you choose your ancestors? You can never do that. How do you choose your skin color? You cannot do that. So they punish you by being associated to that. It's called guilt by association.

Right. I mean, we're going through this and it's getting worse. So I definitely want to talk about the comparison between wokeness and stuff. But we'll get there. So you were 13 and you were hungry. Yeah. And you saw China and you decided to leave. So how long did it take?

What did you do from there? So I was initially going to go with my own sister who was 16 years old. I was 13. And then one day I got really sick. So they took me to hospital. And by North Korea, we don't have like electricity, x-rays, right? Doctor just literally rubs your belly. And then nurses using one needle to inject everyone.

Wow. People don't die from cancer in North korea we die from hunger and infection mostly and then they operated on me that day without any anesthesia and then they said it's appendix but it's okay people cut bones in north korea without any anesthesia it's a common thing so i woke up and they were like no you see you got malnutrition and infection inside you and they closed me back and then I I could not go right I might mostly die from infection so she had to leave so she escaped first with her friend and then was there retaliation from the government for your family it was too quick and the another thing is that in north korea a lot of people die from starvation so they say oh i'm gonna go to work and then father leaves home and he doesn't come back and he died on the road to work so disappearance is a very common thing for the people you know death is like always near i mean

you see the death bodies on the streets every day it's like trash right so i never thought that was like you know i'm normal i thought it was in the morning when you go to train station there are like so many bodies left died and then they just collected like roots right they are very bodies get very rigid and just put them together and then they don't even like bother to bury them, just put them on one side. And you see rats eating human flesh. You see these children chasing these rats, eating human eyes first. Then somehow these rats have disease, so children die. Then rats eat us back.

This cycle between rats and kids eating each other. Yikes. Okay, so after the hospital, you're still 13 at this time. Yeah. And then, you know, what happened next? So I found a note that my sister left me and saying, go find this lady. She's going to help you to go to China. So that was like right after I got out of the hospital.

I took my stitch. I was like not walking very well still. But I went to my mom to find her. You took your own stitches out? they did and then the next day i with my mom went to the lady we found her and then she said oh i can help you to go to china but just don't tell them that you are mom and daughter and then just tell them you're older than like 13 right they say you're maybe 18 or 19 and told my mom you're like 35 she was in her 40s. I had no clue why they were doing that, but which was they were selling us to human traffickers.

So what happens next? So I crossed this frozen river, Yalu River. And I mean, there are guards with a machine gun standing there who's going to shoot you if you cross. But because the human traffickers bribed the guards, we were able to go. And as soon as we arrived in China, the first thing was my mom being raped in front of me. But the thing is, I never...

So there's no sex education in North Korea, right? I don't even know the word sex by then. I don't even know what kiss was. Like, love doesn't exist. We don't know the concept of love in North Korea. Now, that sounds like the most villainous thing I've ever heard. Yeah. I mean, we know love,

but it's only love when we have love for the dear leader. Of course. In the written form. But they do not talk about romance, love. So I never heard my mom say, like, I love you, ever. I never knew that was a word that people used. That's something i didn't know i mean i i still imagined with all of the problems of north korea people you know i

have this vision of this like dystopian world where the young men women run and embrace and they're like if the guards find us it'll all be over like human emotion still exists in this place people still understand these concepts but But I suppose if the authorities, the powers suppress knowledge from you, you can't have these concepts. So this is the thing. In North Korea, there's no concept for compassion. We have no concept for human rights, liberty, love,

all these things. It's like why George Orwell talks about who controls the language, controlling thoughts. Right? Double speak. They write a new language for you. So therefore, you don't, you're not capable of understanding

this concept that we know here. So now you leave North Korea, you find yourself in China, but you've been sold to traffickers. Yeah. So now you have another problem. Yeah, I know. And this, I mean,

it sounds like that's, it's hard to quantify, but it sounds worse. No. Hunger is the worst thing anyone, I mean, if you hard to quantify, but it sounds worse. No. Hunger is the worst thing. I mean, if you don't eat, you die. So in China, I remember like they told us, they don't even bother to force us, right? Like, oh, if you don't want to be sold, you can go back to North Korea.

Which would mean death. Yeah, which means you're going to, even if you don't get caught you're gonna die from starvation anyway and one thing that changed my mind was for the first time in my life i was seeing a trash can and i did not know what it was right what is that one thing and like there where you throw things like what is trash like things that you don't need like what do you have things to throw away that's when i was like i told my mom i want to stay and they sold my mom for less than hundred dollars in 21st century so you were separated from your mom yeah and they sold me for less than three hundred dollars and like because i was a virgin and that was something valuable in china so that's how i got separated from everybody and became alone.

So then how long were you in the situation for? Almost two years. Yeah. And that's when I brought my mom to me. I made a deal with a human trafficker who bought me and I was going to kill myself. But he said, oh, if you become my mistress, I'm going to help you to get your family. So I did. And then he brought my mom back from a farmer that he sold. And he brought my sick father from North Korea. Oh, wow.

So he then brought your father and your mother into China. Yeah. Or your mom was in China, but your dad then came. Yeah. And so what happens next? We'll make our way to how you made it to America.

Yeah, I know. It's a long journey. But my father had this colon cancer he got from the prison camp. And he passed away before the Beijing Olympics in 2008. I remember the world was celebrating. But like North Koreans, you have to be invisible. You're always scared to get caught by the authorities so he passed away i buried his ashes around 3 a.m in the middle of mountain i was 14 years old and then one year

later we met a missionaries from south korea and they said oh if you become christian we are going to help you to be free and then i was like, why do I have to keep believing in something to be saved? But, you know, you're so desperate. That didn't matter. Even if they told me, you've got to believe in water, I'm going to believe in the rock, water, whatever it was. So I became Christian. I proved my faith to them.

And they told us, we've got to walk across the Gobi Desert. And they said, you're lucky enough not to die from the cold, because it was minus 40 degrees in February in the middle of desert. And then if we don't get caught by the guards, then we might survive. So I don't know the probability of making that journey. And now nobody going the Mongolia route. It's too risky. Nobody does it.

So then you went the Mongolia route. It's too risky, so nobody does it. So then you went the Mongolia route. Where did you end up after that? So after Mongolia, we were in the detention center several months. In Mongolia? Mm-hmm. They were moving around, and then they brought us to South Korea. Then they make us go through this insane process of screening. Like they check if you're a spy or not. Are you actually North Korean or not?

And then they put us in this training three-month program and tell us that Americans are not bastards. South Korea is not colonized by America. Like, you know, they tell us, like, bank tell me ATM machine, and I literally thought somebody inside the machine

gave me money right never seen such a thing and in north korea we don't know what bank is so just tell us how to take a subway like tell us like we're like babies we're adults but babies never seen anything like this when you uh first got out of north korea were you surprised by the kind of foods that they had in china yeah it was shocking yeah, describe your experience. What was like the first thing you had or what was the most shocking thing about it? But the thing is you think when you are starving like that and go out,

you think you're going to eat a lot. But your stomach is not used to this oily, fatty food. So I remember I was throwing up constantly. And I get, because I never seen this many cars and buildings in my life north korea 90 70 percent was are not paved and only of them are in pyongyang too so never seen a traffic i never seen a like crosswalk right so i mean but the thing is also i lost everything by the time when i was in china like i was a slave so it wasn't i could enjoy anything there i was every day was a survivor i remember like every day i felt like i lived

thousand years today every day i goes by and before i go to sleep i put my shoes on always have to look for the exit when the police comes where do i run where do i jump so ready to run every single day like you live like that so now you've made it to south korea they put you through this screening they want to make sure you're not a spy but was there a point where they finally opened the doors and said freedom is yours yeah what was that like scary it was so painful so scary yeah i mean like they remember i remember they say like for the first time like so introduce yourself and in in North Korea, we don't say I. Like, we don't allow to say I.

We say, like, we like water. Even though when I said, because that's how. Like the meme. It's not a meme. No, no. There's a joke where we make fun of communists by replacing the letter I with we. Or our. Oh, yeah.

They totally do that. Wow. Really? Yeah. Wow. And then, like, nobody asks you what do you think in north korea right so they tell you your favorite color is red because a revolutionary color your favorite country is north korea because your favorite food is this right so now in south korea

they say oh if you don't know just tell us your favorite color is like what the heck is that do i suppose know what's my favorite color? So thinking for yourself, was something not trained, it was hurting my brain. It was so painful. I literally was saying, being free is not easy. Like if I was guaranteed

that I'm going to have frozen enough potato, if I go back to North Korea, I would go back. Wow. Wow, really? It was hard. So if you could have survived, you would have chosen to go back? Yeah. For in the beginning yeah several years time i would have gone back

it was very painful to be free but you you you learned you figured it out you adapted i adapted i i learned like what freedom was you know for me to learn freedom was like responsibility and once i made that connection it became like more manageable right but it's scary like in north korea when you're born your life is determined for you before you're born based on your class your parents everything so what do you mean you choose your own major right like they say what school do you want to go to i don't know so what major do you want to go to? I don't know. So what major do you want to do? What do you do with your life? I'm like, do I have to know? Can just somebody tell me what to do?

I'm very good at like being followed. It seems like we're seeing this transformation in the United States where young people want exactly that. They want to be told what to do. They want the government to do it for them. Or they've got a lot of young people, especially the millennial generation. So not not not so young anymore. to do it for them or they've gone a lot of young people especially the millennial generation so not not not so young anymore in in like my life i was always told you have to go to school you have to go to college you have to do these things and everyone kept trying to tell me what i was supposed to do and for me i was no i'm not going to do it but a lot of people i know went to college

and just did what they were told when they get get out of college, they ask, now tell me what to do. So they're not used to being out there in the wilderness on their own. And of course, this is very, very, very different from say North Korea, but it's part of this shift, I suppose, where we used to be, I mean, Americans are fairly obstinate, you know, don't tell me what to do, I'll do what I want. But we're starting to see that shift now. So we're really close to getting into modern politics. But so I'll just ask you this. So how did you end up, you know, so you're adapting to South Korea. At what point did you decide now I'm going to make an even bigger journey and choose for myself to go to America?

So I invited to a conference that was in Ireland, you know, Dublin. And it was a free conference, so they wanted to, it's like a youth leaders, like a leadership conference, every country participates. Cool. So they asked North Korea,

they called up North Korea, embassy in London, would you send a delegation from North Korea? And then they said, we only can send three, because you have to spy on each other.

Right. So two is a lot easier to run, but three, like you're watching her, I'm watching her, we are watching everybody, right? So it's like, we only can to run. But three, like, you're watching her, I'm watching her, we are watching everybody, right? So it's like we only can send three.

And they're like, okay, how about we sponsor two, you sponsor one. And they said no. So they were like, okay, we're going to bring these defectors then. I guess check her for that. Very practical. So they invited me for free. And then I decided to be a speaker. I applied to be a speaker.

It was very hard to become a speaker. And the speech that I gave became very, very viral. And I was in the university in South Korea. So that led me to write a book. And Penguin Randomize was in New York. So they brought me to write a book in New York. And then I wanted to continue my education. And they told me there was a school at Columbia.

I was in New York. So here you are. Yeah, that's how I'm here. So the interesting thing, I suppose, now is that you come here, you go to college. The current culture war in the United States is there's a very negative depiction of colleges that they're embracing critical theory, Marxist ideology, and wokeness sounds like there's similar aspects to what you experienced with the ideology being told what you can and can't like and things like that.

Not identical, obviously, but well, before the show, you said that the woke was crazier. Yeah, I think that's what I said. I give you the Fox News. Like North Korea is not even this nuts. This is, I mean, where do I even begin? But I mean, it just entire four years i was so in north korea by the time when i was born the revolution happened such a long time ago

people are not passionate believers of communism right collectivism they just so much fear if you don't you get executed so you have to do it And one thing, first thing my mom told me as a young girl was, don't even whisper because the birds and mice could hear you. And she was like, your tongue is the most dangerous weapon that you have. The things you say is not going to just only kill you. It's going to kill three generations of our family altogether. So be careful what you say, right? When I go to school in the morning, she would not say,

oh, be careful with the strangers, be careful with your mouth. I'm worried that we're headed in that direction. Exactly. You know, with censorship, with big tech, with people scared to speak out. There are a lot of people that say, you know, I was tweeting about anonymity.

I wasn't really tweeting about anonymity, but I was tweeting about people who don't use their names on social media. And people said, I'm scared that I'll lose my job. I can't risk my job and my life from speaking out. And if people don't speak out, we slowly slip

into the nightmare version of whatever that is, where the things you're describing. This is how we go there. This is how it begins. Wow. At Columbia, this is how we go there. This is how it begins. Wow. Yeah, that's what I like. At Columbia, oh, this is how the revolution began, right?

Because, I mean, at Columbia, genuinely these kids feel like they are so oppressed. They get triggered. They actually cry, right, by the injustice, fear, how they are so oppressed and they are the victims. And they're not faking it. They really, really really truly believe in the thing is what makes me so sad is the north koreans have to be brainwashed because we don't have any information here on the tip of your finger you have entire history what stalin did what mao did you have know what this rod has taken us to humanity but these people are so completely brainwashed they think white men are the source of every single evil that we have.

I suppose I think it's scarier to me that you can warn us and say, hey, this is how the revolution started in North Korea. Hey, this is what it's like when you have this communist totalitarian system. And no matter how many times we scream it, there are a lot of people in this country that reject the idea that your warnings matter and they actively pursue these situations i suppose they think they'll be like the higher caste maybe those who live in pyongyang they have paved roads yeah they have electricity yeah but they'll probably just end up being the farmers in the outskirts who are executed for speaking out improperly oh Oh, yeah. They get so much purges in Pyongyang.

So I think... Wow. But the thing is, North Korea designed starvation, right? It's like a Hunger Games. There are 13 districts, and there's a capital. Right. On purpose, Kim Jong-un starves us.

The other week, Kim Jong-un admitted that 11 million North Koreans are severely malnourished. He never did that before, but now he doesn't even bother hiding it. Like, yeah. We have, like,

almost 60 people so 60 percent of the population are severely malnourished why he's doing that because one missile test that he does he can feed 25 million north koreans for entire year from 2017 he did 40 tests why if we just cut down a few tests nobody have to die in in North Korea. Why? This is what I can't understand. And maybe you'll have some insight, having obviously been from the country. Wouldn't it be better for the party, for Kim Jong-un, for his close circle? Wouldn't they be wealthier if North Korea was successful and prosperous with a well-fed population, with new technologies and electricity?

Wouldn't he live better and safer? No, but then he cannot be a god, right? Right now, you think about it. When you are full, then you are starting to think about meaning of life. You can think of it as philosophy, music, art, right? But when North Koreans, every day, they don't care what's going on.

Am I going to be able to find the next mirror or not? Am I going to make it tonight or not? That's all they care. So people, entire population is dedicated to surviving. So now Kim Jong-un has no internal challenges. It's not like other countries. There's no one single dissident in North Korea. Have you ever heard that?

There's a house arrest. No. What's his goal? What does he want wasn't he educated in the west in switzerland yeah it's a psychopath he knows how humans should be treated that's the thing like it's so he's a psychopath he knows how people should supposed to be treated but he doesn't right he goes there he's he thinks he's a god i think so because a lot of people who met him when they're younger,

they call him like a little janitor, right? So everybody's below him. So I do think he's completely himself brainwashed that he's a god. So do you think the U.S. is, I mean, the U.S. is massive. How many people, do we know the population of North Korea? In America? Or the population of North Korea? Oh, 25 million.

25 million. So, I mean, the U.S. has about 10 times the population. It seems far-fetched, I suppose, or maybe people just believe it can't happen here, but do you think that what you're seeing in the U.S. will bring us to a situation like North Korea? Right now, living in Chicago, yeah. I mean, Chicago is a war zone.

You cannot even walk out during the middle of the day in the downtown where there's police cars right there. People commit crime. And this, I mean, the system is broke. Like, literally during the looting, right, police standing there, and these guys are destroying Nike store and the Magnificent Mile. Why don't you arrest them? And then my friend said, why don't you arrest them?

And then he's like, I know who to arrest. And this guy started shooting at him. Police is right there and he had to run for his life. He had a video. I'm not joking. Oh my gosh. He started shooting at him and police was standing there. Nothing.

Are you familiar with the red salute? No. Have you seen the Black Lives Matter fist they show in the... Yeah. Does that symbol appear in North Korea? I mean, like doing this thing? Oh yeah, totally. That's every time.

Let's kill our American bastards, our enemies. Oh, you raise the fist. Yeah. So it's the red salute. It's the communist fist. You guys might know this. time like let's kill our american bastards our enemies oh you raise the fist yeah so this the it's the it's the red salute it's the communist fist um you guys might know this i was reading that when someone is joining the chinese communist party they they perform the red salute they call it yeah i mean you have to like raise your fist and pledge your life to the party essentially as yeah this this uh well july 1st is the 100 year anniversary of the communist party

and there's this phenomenon of red tourism where people are going around dressing up like old red guards and they're doing the salute and they they go yeah you go take a you know instagram photo of you doing the red salute and pledging your life to the party you know and that's the flag of black lives matter it's the it's the symbol twitter used for juneteenth yeah yeah and they say it's the black power fest and i'm like yeah i guess the roman salute which the nazis use is the white power fest like or so whatever it doesn't matter to me i mean these are these are these are salutes to the ideology and it's oppressive and uh I don't want to be alarmist by saying, oh, it's clearly happening here.

But you look at the embassies flying these flags, the U.S. embassies now using the symbolism. You see people marching through the street in defiance of edict from governors when they did the lockdowns and they're performing the red salute. They give it a different name, but it's the same symbol, the same flag.

The people who are organizing Black Lives Matter say they are trained Marxists, or at least some of them do. And critical race theory, which is the big battle in the culture war right now, is literally rooted in critical theory from the traditional Marxist school of thought. And they're trying and deny it but every day i i feel i do feel optimistic especially today with you know seeing these these families loudon county they're standing up they're challenging this stuff but i i feel like you know these people these families are worried about what their kids are being taught are putting themselves on the line i'm i'm worried that if too many people are scared and they remain scared, we inch closer towards a reality where you can no longer speak out anymore. I mean, we have the poem. We know

what happens when you don't speak out in defense of others. So it feels like we're heading in that direction. I think there was a viral video of some woman. It was like a Chinese woman who was talking about, I don't know if this was Loudon or someone else, but yeah, she was like a Chinese parent and she was saying, this is just like the cultural revolution which i went through in china and a lot of people kind of were offended by that because they're you know possibly 20 million people died during the cultural revolution so some people are like oh well that's you're being too crazy if you're comparing this to the cultural revolution but you know if we the the hallmark of the Cultural Revolution was the struggle session, right? Which is struggle under Chinese communism is a verb where you struggle someone, you bring them into a room, everybody in their workplace or everybody in your neighborhood.

Like if it was a very prominent person, they would fill stadiums to denounce these people. Like the person would stand there, they'd be made to hold some kind of like torture posed so that they're like the airplane or something where they're like uncomfortable. They'd have like a placard put on them that says what their crimes are, right? And then people would scream at them, yell at them, humiliate them, shame them, throw things at them. This is a struggle session.

And it's like, well, if you think of that as what the Cultural Revolution was doing to people, you know, we don't struggle people in the US. We cancel people in the US. Yeah. And we can cancel them online. We don't have we can ruin people's lives on Twitter. We don't have to bring them into a room to yell at them. We can just make them lose their jobs. How is it that China and North Korea are so different, I suppose? They went through a culture revolution. They had purges. They have a communist

party with the Red Salutes and all that stuff. But China still has massive cities and wealth and technology and food. Probably a lot of that is just the ability of China to accept investment from the West. China really changed after Mao died.

Mao, because, you know, his political purges basically killed almost 80 million people, probably. So between the Great Leap Forward, the famine, the revolution like he he was just killing so many people and then the next generation of chinese leaders were basically like okay we're communist but this is not sustainable so they kind of and a lot of them were people who were purged by mao like den xiaoping so they were like we're going to uh open our markets they call it reform and opening up and it wasn't really the state was still involved. Like the state still owned the means of production, but they were kind of like, we'll give people the ability to at least make money on a small scale. You can have businesses.

You don't have to work for the state. Western investment can come in and bring the money. I remember reading a story about like after mao died like the first people who were like made a contract and like for them it was like oh that we might die for this like we might be killed for this it was like the first test of like will this reform and opening up actually happen so so what year was that around 1978 so that's when they finally started i guess modernizing and getting more technology and things are to improve. And then because China is such a massive market, there's so many people there to work, right? Manufacturing companies wanted to come in.

Germany came in in the 70s to start building their… Volkswagen was their barrier. Yeah. So building their auto plants there already. And also people see it as a big market where people can buy things now. So I think that's the real difference. But like structurally, it's not that different from North Korea. You know, North Korean people.

And ideologically. Ideologically and structurally. People like to pretend that China's not communist anymore because they have, you know, a certain thing. Like they have a stock market. But you can't own property in china still like the state owns all the land still you can buy a lease on the land for 70 years and that's what you're buying when you buy real estate or you can buy an apartment in an apartment building but you cannot actually own land All the land is still owned by the state.

And there is no real private companies. It's maybe state-owned enterprises. Otherwise, it's owned by a son or daughter of a party official. Or every company, every school, everything in China basically has a Communist Party cell inside of it. And there's a party secretary there watching everything. So the party's involved. There is no free enterprise in China. Isn't it every single company has to have a party member? Yeah. Specifically whose job is to be a party member for the company or something like that? Yeah, the party secretary. Yeah. Yeah. That's happening here in the U.S. with the diversity, inclusivity and equity officers in all these companies. I mean, it's a job that performs no function other than to be ideologically pure. Well, that's the strange thing about all this. I've seen some reactions to you and me talking about woke in America,

and people get really upset about that. They know that's ridiculous. Or as Shelley mentioned, the Chinese woman who's like, hey, this is reminding me of the Cultural Revolution. And if you only focus on like the differences, like obviously the United States is not North Korea. But somehow those societies became the way they were. There is an evolution that happens. And I think the problem is people don't realize or understand what Marxism is.

They don't understand what communism is. Like, what is the problem of trying to create an equal society? What's the problem of trying to teach people about slavery? That's not bad. So why are you saying that this is like the cultural revolution? Every, I think every example of the path to the utopia turned out to be a path to hell. Yeah. By design. Yeah. By design.

Yeah. Right. Well, you know what I think happens? I think there's a... I know a lot of these activists on the left and they're very utopian. They're very optimistic, idealistic. And they're like,

we can create this beautiful utopia so long as we all just agree on how things work. Well, it starts with 10 people, them and their friends. And they all say, on how things work. Well, it starts with 10 people, them and their friends, and they all say, hey, I work today and I'm going to share with you my bounty. And they say, thank you very much. I did the dishes for you. And then it goes up to 20 people. But then one person says, I'm not going to share with you my pizza. I made this pizza myself. There's only enough for me. I'm starving. I'm hungry. And they say, okay, this person's got to go. Because

no matter what we say, they won't agree with us. When it scales up to a certain point and you have, you're now locked to borders of a country and you can't just say, we're going to leave and do our own thing. Well, then what happens is they say, you know, we have this really great utopia

except for those people. Well, what do we do with them? I guess you've got to get rid of them. And what ends up happening every single time? They get rid of them. And there are people who will argue with that, but that basically is what it says in the Communist Manifesto, that to create this equal utopian society,

you have to overthrow all preexisting social conditions, like the family, like religion. Well, what happens if somebody doesn't want to give up their religion? What if somebody likes their family? What if they like private property? This is why I wonder about, you know, North Korea. You know, you're saying that you don't have these concepts. You don't understand love and things like that.

The color thing was amazing. That's something that kindergartners have. You learn your colors. What's your favorite color? Yeah, which one just do you? And I remember being a little kid, and they have a bunch of colors. And they're like, which one is your favorite? And I'm like, I don't know.

I said green. You know why? Because my birthday is in March, and the calendar for March was always green. That's funny. So I just said green. They just left it upon me as a child who had no real understanding of what it meant to have a favorite color to just say it. Yeah.

And I was like, green. Clearly green is not my favorite color today. You know, a good point about that is like a lot of the problem people have with like this critical race theory stuff that's going around, especially when it's being taught through like K-12. Whatever it is as a university subject, you're a college student, you're a fully foreign person. But if you're talking in kindergarten,

you don't even have a real sense of your own self-identity, and yet you're already being put into these classes. See, what's interesting, technically, they aren't teaching critical race theory because they're arguing oh we don't bring up the literature of race and policy what they're doing is they're teaching the the the core thesis of critical race theory within other subjects so imagine here's why I described it. Imagine if a bunch of parents decided that the new math curriculum would be something like, here's a math problem a child encounters. Jeremiah has 10 Bibles. In order to worship the Lord properly, he must distribute seven of them to his neighbors.

If he doesn't, he will burn in hell. How many Bibles does he have after he distributes the ones the Lord requires? Like if that was an actual math problem in schools, parents would be like, yo, like what? They're not teaching the Bible. They're not teaching Christianity. No, what are you talking about? We've never mentioned scripture. Nobody's reading from the Bible. You're crazy.

And then you look at the math problem. You're like, this is just this whole thing. So they're finding subversive ways to indoctrinate kids but it's also incorporated in their policies and the scary thing is it's become inherent now where you have these schools that don't even recognize they exist in this alternate reality they just it's normal to them that's that's where that's where it starts like you mentioned these countries all ended up these ways that's what i find truly interesting uh so uh obviously a lot of people know that I'm part Korean.

And because, you know, Tim Pool's mixed race is like a meme. I say it all the time because we're talking about, you know, race policy and identitarianism. But actually my great grandfather is from a city in the North.

At the time, there was no North. So for my family leaving Korea, coming to the United States and all that stuff, these concepts of a North and a South and this conflict didn't exist at the time something happened where all of a sudden the city where my great-grandfather is is worlds apart from the city where my great-grandmother was from and i think my great-grandmother was from seoul and my great-grandfather was from haiju haiju. Now, I mean, at the time, they were probably identical in many ways, like same culture, same language, same history.

Now they're just absolutely different. Oh, yeah. I'd imagine the people in the north, like you mentioned, they think they have this god, they have this new religion. The history has changed. Something happened to make it that way. And now that impacts even me and other people whose history sort of stops at these these conflicts the historical revisionism that's happening in the united states is what what scares me and that's why i kind of you know related to

the circumstances i mean north korea also had like a speed run at this in a certain way because it was the soviet union after world war ii that Korea, right? Like, the treaty was, we split it along the 38th parallel, that the Western democracies, they get South Korea, Russia, the Soviet Union, gets North Korea. So you guys kind of had, like, a crash course in this, in a certain sense, where, like, you know, now suddenly Kim Jong, well, Kim Il-sung is put in, and he's like taking soviet stuff and then using it to build his own identity cult and all this stuff so it's kind of it's kind

of crazy to look at north korea too because this is like this is like the you know like the super powered version of what happens i mean the thing is like what shocks me about north korea they began like communism right promising oh i going to give you free healthcare, free education, free housing, free everything. I mean, nothing is free, but they say everything is free. So they did that in the beginning from the Soviets. They got subsidies. So they were giving rations

to the people for free. In the 90s, they stopped the Soviet Union collapse. What did they do? They changed their ideology to self-reliance. So now, the state don't care about you. You take care of yourself. the Soviet Union collapsed. What did they do? They changed their ideology to self-reliance. So now, the state doesn't care about you. You take care of yourself.

By the way, you have no freedom to trade. Do nothing. So how do you survive? That's why 30 million people died in the 90s in the northern parts. If you secretly grew a tomato plant or something

in your base and you hid it in your house, would they execute you if they found it? No. I mean and like you hid it in your house would they would they execute you if they found it no i mean if you hide it really well yeah like let's let's say you're starving yeah so you secretly grow some plants it's okay it's okay yeah yeah you're you're allowed to grow your own food or no we cannot own the land it's collectivism we work collectively in the farm and then the government takes 80%, and 20% is divided between the government officials, and then they just normally don't give you anything. It's like the stupidest thing I've ever heard, to be honest.

It's an inefficient way to run a system to even benefit themselves. I think this is why China was like, hey, let's take investment. We want to be rich and successful. Now there's more Chinese millionaires than there are American millionaires. They've made themselves wealthy and powerful. Why doesn't North Korea do it? I think Kim Jong-un is too scared. He's very scared.

And all he needs is nukes, right? So he doesn't want to change anything. He's comfortable. He's been so good at this. Why would he change anything, right? They've been so successful at this. For almost 80 years, they've been doing this. And I think even Kim Jong-un is a victim of the same brainwashing at this point.

Certainly, he's in charge and he understands it more and knows more than regular people. He was educated in the West, but he was also very much indoctrinated. You have to run this country. You have to be in charge. And so his worldview is now a product of their own manipulation yeah it's kind of crazy

because I'm sure Kim Il-sung he had an understanding of global affairs and world politics he probably understood you know he was Marxist

he was Leninist for sure yeah I'm sure he but he knew about Russia he knew about the world and then he told everyone

he was God yeah and then his son was in the 70s trying to He knew about Russia. He knew about the world. And then he told everyone he was God? Yeah. And then his son was in the 70s trying to be nice to his father because he had a lot of concubines and sons, right? So there's a competition, the game of thrones. Remember, don't kill this half-brother in Malaysia. Literally, they are killing each other to get there. So he was saying in the 70s,

oh, I want to get this throne from my father, so now I'm going to make him God. So he did all propaganda making him Kim can move the mountains, knows what you think, like everything began there. So what are the circumstances keeping North Korea as it is?

Certainly there's external pressure for them to change their ways, open up, free their people. But my understanding is like China is very defensive. China likes North Korea as sort of like this problem that the rest of the world needs to come to China to work on. They're a crazy guy with nukes and only we can negotiate. Yeah, like if you have to talk to us and it actually ties a lot into sort of China's internal political struggles as well, because certain factions within China were the ones working with the Kim family. Other factions did not.

So, yeah, it's it's it's leverage for them. Yeah, it's leverage. And it's definitely makes China look better. It really does. it's leverage for them yeah it's leverage and it's definitely makes china look better well like hearing a story where you say that that that you felt being a slave in china was better because at least you have food but the thing is what shocks me is in america like these people talking about slavery that happened hundreds of years ago right this is happening right now when you're sitting down do you know during the COVID time if you go to Baidu,

the Chinese Google, you get North Korean girls for $900. You order them in. And this is happening and nobody in mainstream, like Michelle Obama has no problem

standing up for girls that are captured by ISIS or Boko Haram. Where is any public figure in the mainstream standing up

for these curse? Right now there are 300,000 North Korean refugees in China hiding, and most of them are women, and most of them are trafficked. So we have actual modern-day slaves existing. China has a huge human trafficking problem because the one-child policy screwed up the population. 30 million more men. 30 million men cannot find wives so where do

these women being bought by the 30 million men who can now afford wives in china are there organizations that buy the women to then free them and get them to other countries we we do that i work with a lot of non-profits we do rescue work but it's become so hard during the covid oh yeah so but the thing is it's you know now in the COVID. Oh, yeah. But the thing is, now in America right now, there's only over 200 North Koreans made it to America for during the last 75 years.

Yikes. Yeah. For you to come from South Korea to the United States, was it difficult? I came as a South Korean. Oh, so you just walked right in. Yeah, but then I had to get a visa. I came legally. Oh, right. As a South Korean. Oh, so you just walked right in. Yeah, but then I had to get a visa.

I came legally. Oh, right. As a South Korean, you can just fly here without notice and get visa on entry, right? You get the electronic visa, but it's hard to get a working permit. You can come as a tourist, but it's very hard to come as an immigrant from South Korea. Yeah, it's actually fairly difficult, I think, for anybody to get a work visa in the United States. I say relatively difficult, but I'm sure there's a lot of countries

where it's a lot harder, especially with Middle Eastern refugees into Europe. I've seen a lot of those stories. Yeah, so... Japan is pretty closed off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I've heard people say that Japan is an ethnostate, and I've heard other people say it's not. But I'm curious, you know, what you guys think about that. I'm not an expert on Japan.

Outside of anime. Well, so I guess the difficult thing is I'd like to try and predict the future. I'd like to know, can we take we've made some of these statements like oh, we can see what happened in North Korea. We can see how people behave, how they're scared to speak.

And then we've said somehow North Korea became this way. But is it really like the U.S. could track in a similar direction? Or is it just fanciful thinking that the U.S. would ever become like this? You know, is the U.S. going to break out of this and just become sane again and defeat the cultural Marxist ideology? I'm fairly optimistic, to be completely honest. I mean, I see these parents waking up. I see a lot of a lot of reason to be optimistic in terms of what's happening politically with people being snapped to attention because of

what's happening. And I have to imagine that there's elements within the US government. They know everything we're saying, and they're worried about these things, too. Or is the ideological split so severe that these cultural Marxists and critical race theorists control too much? Well, I think with everything happening in schools, that was definitely overreach. Like once you start targeting people's kids, that's when people really freak out. That brings it to home. So I think this is, like all the debate about critical race theory, I think it's really a good window of opportunity to educate people about what Marxist

ideology is, how it functions, how it takes an issue and inverts it and then flips it into something else. Like, for example, race. You know, decades ago, we as a country made a decision that, you know, judging people by the color of their skin is wrong. That's racist. And now it's flipped. So it's like, oh, no, no, you should develop racial consciousness, I think is the term they use. You need to be able to look at people by race so you can properly sort them out based on their privilege and their oppressor status that's creepy it is it's kind of the opposite of taoism actually yeah i'm curious about war um we recently saw china send the most warships they've ever warplanes into the taiwanese defense zone and so there's this obviously one thing we mention often is through city strap

there's a very real fear that war will be happening soon. I'm wondering before we start talking about China, though, the stuff that you see with North Korea with the firing of the nuclear missiles, do you feel there's anything to that? Or is it just Kim Jong Un says, look at me, I'm a nuisance, give me free stuff. And there's not actually going to be any real conflict out of the nuclear weapons in North Korea? I think Kim Jong-un is very rational enough not to start a war with any country. He knows when he does that, he's going to be done, right? America cannot get him.

So I don't think that can ever happen. But I think Kim Jong-un's goal is waiting for the West to be weakened, right? For the West to be destabilized right now. There's so much internal problem. America is so busy with themselves right now, not able to solve any problems globally. So it's a good thing for Kim Jong-un, right? He wants to beat America.

And internally, he just keeps building capability with missiles. So someday, his dream might get there. He might bomb America entirely. And, I mean, his bombs can reach Hawaii, DC, and Manila. But, you know, bombing a few cities, he's not going to win the war, right? He can attack, damage the USA, but not going to win.

But when America's so busy, he just keeps doing this, his thing. If you were to try and fire a nuke or something, China would stop them, right? China would be probably probably forced in position where it would have to at least offer some kind of lip service about like that's bad yeah because they don't want the rest of the world to turn against china right because like if you if you are a country backing north korea nuking some other country that's that's bad pr yeah um practically speaking what they would do china is worried about north korea becoming a little

too hot to handle too unwilling to listen to beijing leadership uh as i recall kim jong-un didn't even meet with xi jin for many years until the Trump. Until, yeah, Trump was about to meet with him. And then suddenly, like, the two sides met. It wasn't Kim Jong-un didn't want it. Xi Jinping didn't invite him. Do you know that Dang Song-taek, the uncle, he was a Chinese guy. He was funded by China a lot, the uncle who got executed, right?

Oh, yeah. So when Kim Jong-un killed his uncle uncle china got so upset because they just did it independently so qi jinming didn't invite him didn't like accept as a legitimate north korean leader but when he wants to meet trump because china had like jumped before didn't wasn't the brother that kim jong-un poisoned also like hiding in china he was kind of being supported by China too. China has been trying to push their own interest in North Korea by pushing people who would make the kind of market reforms they want.

And supposedly Kim Jong-nam, he was open to that idea. And Jang Song-taek too. So China always recommended North Korea to take our path. Eurocom is probably going to last forever. And it's like, open up a little so people don't die from starvation, right?

Like, what's the point of all this? And North Korea's like, no, no, no, we're fine. So Kim Jong-un get rid of any reformers in the internally. So China wants North Korea to do better and adopt some more of their kind of policies? Exactly. They won. They toured Kim Jong-un the second Kim Jong-il was alive,

showed him around, look at us, what we have done. Look at Shanghai, Beijing, two weeks tour, show him, take the reform path. And then Kim Jong-il goes back, nope, nope, we're going to bring it down. This might be a dark question, but why hasn't anybody just removed that lineage

and just gotten rid of that family? I mean, certainly there are people, you mentioned they're hiding out in China. Even China's got interest in this. Does no one want to? I mean, look, people have tried to remove Castro, Saddam Hussein. The issue is China does not want a wave of North Korean refugees flooding into China. Interesting. They don't want to be responsible for North Korea

because it's so terrible right now. Like, you have to rebuild the society from scratch, right? And they can't let the U.S. take it. Yeah. Because if they don't, the U.S. walks right in. And they don't want the U.S. on their border. Yep. It's their buffer.

Yeah. So complicated and so horrifying because there are people here who need food and resources and just more importantly, opportunity. I mean, it sounds like if you got rid of the authoritarianism, these people would just thrive. Yeah. Do you know, like North Koreans as a nation, one of the highest IQs in the world. No wonder why they build nukes. And North Korea is the only country that can bully Biden, right? Biden's been trying to reach out to Kim Jong-un anytime, anywhere,

without putting any concessions. I want to meet you and talk to you. Kim Jong-un not returned his call since February. But Trump? Yeah, Trump was a tough guy. Kim Jong-un knew that he could not bully Trump. So whatever he was sending the love letters to Trump, please him. And Biden

like Kim Jong-un knows, like, I can bully you whatever way I want. Well, I love it when Kim Jong-un was like i can bully you whatever way i want to well i love it when kim jong-un called uh trump a daughter you know your daughter a daughter oh yeah yeah like search the world what does that mean yeah yeah old fumbling certainly that that works for joe biden yeah but then trump was like i would never call him short and fat wow that was our president so but but how do you feel about you know uh i'll tell you this there were a lot of And then Trump was like, I would never call him short and fat. Wow, that was our president? But how do you feel about, you know, I'll tell you this. There are a lot of people who are in this country don't like Trump.

And like clockwork, they were all extremely critical of Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and cross and just meeting him in general. I looked at that when Trump crossed the DMZ into North Korea with no security. I thought that was tremendous. But what's your thought? Back then, I was more like seeing it black and white. Like, you don't just sit down with the modern-day Hitler and then treating him like a modern, like, actual leader of the country. Like, North Korean people didn't choose Kim Jong-un

to represent us. He's a dictator, right? So the fact that Trump was going there without actually any concessions from, like, Kim Jong-un was already lost. He didn't get anything back. Instead, Kim Jong-un did a huge promotion at home showing, like, look at me. Now even America is backing me. So if there's any internal coup that would happen, they don't want to go after a guy that the U.S. is accepting as a legitimate leader.

So internally, it was so bad. However, now, like, in a legitimate leader. So internally, it was so bad. However, now, like, in a way, Biden is worse, right? Like, I mean, Trump at least brought a highlight to the issue and tried to solve something about it. Like, Biden recently, they reviewed their policy towards North Korea, which is going to be exactly what Obama did. Strategic patience, which is, like, strategically, you do nothing, just waiting. And Kim Jong-un take the first positive move. So if they ignore North Korea like this, four, five years and eight years later, we don't know what North Korea end up with the nuclear capability.

Yeah. Yeah. I certainly see what you're saying with Trump. I was hopeful that Trump, without security, crossed into North Korea and they could have just snatched him up. Obviously, they wouldn't because you can't take the American president, but it felt like at least this was

some normalization. Some. But I certainly see what you're saying. I was hoping that it was a first step towards trust and maybe some kind of normalized trade, maybe some kind of encouragement towards, you know, look, there's opportunity if you change some of your ways. But, you know, based on what you've all been saying about how China wants the reform and they don't, it really does feel like the Kim Il family is a bunch of despotic, what's the megalomaniacs who think they're God?

Yeah, they're so paranoid and also the thing is if we are negotiating with north korea for the first time makes sense to honor them make them feel comfortable and trusted this guy has been playing the same playbook for like not 70 something years they know what they know or what they wanted so in a way it just doesn't work anymore. Like talking to North Korea and then just try to make them warm and come out is not going to work. It's going to take way more than to change North Korea. When you lived there, did you ever encounter South Korean propaganda? In North Korea?

Yeah. Every single day? Like I did not know South Korea was an independent country. They told us that the U.S. is colonizing them. It's a modern day colonization. And then how these children get raped by U.S. soldiers. And entirely, it's like cartoons filled with the most corrupt. And then how entire humanity want to come to North Korea.

Yeah, entire humanity. There's a song in North Korea called Nothing to Envy. It's a song in norwegian called nothing to envy it's a song because we have nothing to envy we live in a socialist paradise you literally have nothing you know um when i interviewed these these uh new zealanders who rode their motorcycles through new zealand i'm through north korea the one thing they did say was like, beautiful country. Untainted. Nature.

No pollution. There's no trash. No trash. But that's not true. You think so, right? You think so. Look at just why North Korea, every year they have flooding.

Massive flooding. So we don't have electricity. North Korea is very cold. We are like 80% mountains, the country. So people need to get something to burn, cook food. We live in like 16th century time. We go to river to bath.

I never seen a shower. Like never seen a thing. We go a few times a year. We go to river and take a bath and that's it. So we have to get to chop the woods to start a fire. So people go into the mountains and cut down entire trees. And the big trees, China took it. China took it.

And then the coal mine is... China owns North Korea now. They lent these like mines, coal mines, gold mines for 100 years later, 200 years later. So they're digging, digging, digging pollution. And the nuclear, the debris, they're doing so much tests that now people in North Korea got deformed in their DNA changes. So, so much flooding. I mean, I'm sure they've gone to the part where there are trees there. Yeah.

But when normal people live, we don't get the trees. We don't get nature. I'm so shocked when I was here today, seeing all these trees, like so many trees. Oh, you're in Chicago now too. Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of people might not know this. I grew up in Chicago. When you fly in, Chicago is like a forest because every city street has just a tree in front of every house.

You go to New York and there's trees, but it's a big concrete block. And L.A. is the same way. Yeah, trees everywhere. That really is something truly amazing about Chicago that I should definitely give it credit for. I've been to a lot of cities, but to have every city street with trees lining every house, it really is fantastic. So I'm pretty sure the people that I interviewed, they said that they chose their route, but I'm sure it was just that it was an acceptable route in the first place. Of course. Because if they went through bad areas, it was interesting. He said, they told me that a lot of people criticize North Korea for their Potemkin villages.

When someone comes in to interview, they bring them and they show them this wonderful supermarket and they say, look at all the glorious bounty. And we in the U.S., we say, they're putting on a show to make it seem like they're successful. What this New Zealander told me was, no, no, they're just dressing up. Like when you have your friends over, you wear your Sunday's best. You're not trying to

lie to them. You're trying to be presentable, right? That was their perspective on it. My perspective is, they're trying to trick you into thinking right? That was their perspective on it. My perspective is they're trying to trick you into thinking that people aren't suffering and dying in the streets. Soviet Union did that. Worked on a lot of U.S. officials. Bernie Sanders. Who was it who said

that they came to the U.S. and said, if my people saw what we've done to them, because he was at a supermarket. It was a Cuban guy. Yeah, it was a Cuban guy who said because he was at a supermarket. It was a Cuban guy. Was it a Cuban guy? Yeah, it was a Cuban guy who said, you know,

he was at an Aldi, right? So it's not even like, it's not like at a Whole Foods. He was at an Aldi. Isn't that not an American chain? It's actually East German, yeah. East German. So he was just saying

he was standing in an Aldi and then he got too depressed and had to leave because he was like, they've destroyed our people. Like, they've destroyed our country. Like, yeah. I thought there was a Russian guy who said that, you know, if my people saw, you know, the variety or whatever of the Americans, there would be a revolution overnight or something like that.

That sounds familiar. I can't place it, though. I do think there's something silly about having, like, 80 different kinds of peanut butter. But I suppose I'll take 80 kinds of peanut butter over no peanut butter at all. Hey, the market will decide. All one kind of peanut butter. Right, right, right. Kim Jong-un brand peanut butter.

Different flavors. Here's one with a red label. Here's one with a yellow label. Yeah, the joke is that in communist countries, you wait in a bread line. In capitalist countries, the bread line forms for you or something like that. The bread is in a line waiting for you, all just on the shelf and everything like that. I mean, we have our problems, though. I think that if you go back to the early 1900s, the rise of the communist and the fascist factions in Europe and more so towards World War II, the communists get defeated in Europe by, you know, more so towards World War II.

The communists get defeated in Europe by the fascists. The fascists get defeated by the Allies and the Soviet Union. But then communism begins to flourish, and thus we get the Cold War for several decades. I think one of the challenges we face is that individual liberty has weaknesses. We tolerate these authoritarians, these communists, and they exploit. And so, sure, we had a Cold War. We won the Cold War,

but I don't think the Cold War is actually over. Sure, the Soviet Union collapsed because their ideology doesn't work. Their plans make no sense. They have to kill people to support it. But so long as there are zealots who are willing to lie, cheat, and steal

to get what they want, we potentially walk the path towards that corruption as well certainly you know countries became the way they were it's going to require everybody to be constantly paying attention and fighting back otherwise we we end up you know like those countries well ideological subversion is a huge part of communist tactics uh chinese communist party does it all the time they learn from the soviet union and enhance things there's hardly a u.s official who hasn't at some point been offered a trip to china or money chinese money gets into all kinds of places and and that's just we're talking about the chinese communist party the reality is that there are many different factions to this broad concept of communism.

It's really a postmodern thing because it kind of defies being pinned down to a definition. So, I mean, I've spoken to people who are declared communists who are like, oh, I hate what's happening in China. That's awful. They don't see the connections between themselves. I do think there's some kind of blindness in the U.S. about ideology on the left where there's this kind of idea that there's no such thing as left authoritarianism where we just pretend not to see it

or the official media or whatever pretend that there's no such thing as left authoritarianism. It's a such thing as left authoritarianism you know it's it's like a weird thing and it it bleeds into like it happened with intifa where people were like oh it's it's not it's an idea not an organization but then it also bleeds into like the china stuff where you have people who are just like well no china's not authoritarian you know yeah well also importantly like you had the Trump administration, particularly Pompeo, bringing up ideology. This is an ideological struggle with China.

That is something that the Biden administration is incapable of discussing. It can be competing powers, but the ideology, which is critical to this, is completely off the table. I think one of the most clever things pulled off by the

communist or Marxist or authoritarian left is that they call themselves libertarian left. And we see this expressed in memes. So there's the political compass memes, which I'm sure you've seen the political compass. The quadrant thing. Yeah, are you familiar with the political compass? It's a square and there's four quadrants

and then you have the top left, which is authoritarian, the top right, which is authoritarian. And the bottom, you know, you have left and right that are libertarian. So the libertarian right is easily definable. They're free market capitalists. You know, they're like, you can sell whatever you want to whoever you want as long as you agree to it. Buyer beware. Caveat emptor, I think that's how you say it and then you have the authoritarian right which tends to be ideologically driven command economies ultra-traditionalist and then you have

the authoritarian left which is the tankies the soviet union etc but whenever you look at the memes about the libertarian left it's antifa and it's wokeness two authoritarian ideologies so these people i think they do it on purpose. It's very clever. You tell someone that if you want to be the freedom-loving libertarian leftist, the good guys, you have to beat people. You have to start fires and believe in our cult ideology.

In reality, if you look at the core of a libertarian system with cooperative economics, it is small tribes. It is small farms working together. It is – that's it. You don't force anyone to do anything. You don't beat them in a submission. You don't demand they adhere to an ideology.

But if our jokes, if our whole perspective in society is that freedom-loving leftists are the people burning down buildings and canceling people and threatening them and destroying their lives. There literally is no libertarian left in the United States. So then what's the opposition? What opposes the authoritarians? Not the right, the right of the bad guys. Well, that leaves you with only the right, because there is no opposition from the left they have abandoned their principles they are trying to fit in they're trying to look

good wokeness is nothing if not the appearance of looking compassionate and friendly it's nothing if not the appearance of saying oh we'll save you we'll bring in all these immigrants and do all this stuff it sounds great so there's no pushback on it and there absolutely should be it's put us in this position yeah it's it's the tricky thing about marxism or communism whatever you want to call this ideology is that it really takes advantage of the fact that i think most people are good people they want to help people they would like to see the world be a more equal, better place. Yeah. But Marx presented this extremely simplistic view of all of human society. There are only the oppressors and the oppressed.

Anything you do as an individual doesn't matter. You are either in the oppressed or the oppressors. To create a better world, obviously, you need to get rid of the oppressors. They're not going to want to be kicked out. Therefore, you have to kick them out. You know, we need a critical conservative theory. So all the conservatives, here you go. Critical theory was, you know, the Marxist, rooted very much in the Marxist ideology of oppressors and oppressed based on class. I was actually just reading some good old critical race theory

to better understand what they're talking about and Kimberly Crenshaw wrote that they coined the phrase critical race theory on purpose so that people understood it came from the Marxist framework of critical theory but critical theory and Marxism didn't understand American racism.

So they needed to take his philosophy of oppressed and oppressor and apply it to racial politics in the United States. So we'll do the same thing now and we'll create critical political theory and it states that if you are a liberal, you're an oppressor. And if you're a conservative, you're oppressed.

There you go, guys. That one's free. Feel free to claim that you're now victims. The problem is it won't work because the whole point of marxism is to create struggle and it divides people into different groups make some struggle and those groups divide up into more groups and they fight and fight etc etc intersectionality i don't think it can be solved by people fighting each other. Right. People need to develop compassion. Because, you know, if anytime you're arguing with people on the Internet is a nightmare and no one should ever do it.

I speak from experience. Pretty much. But when you're actually face-to-face with someone, it comes down to basically like, you know know if somebody feels like they're being attacked even if you are completely wrong if you feel like you're being attacked you will either respond in three ways fight flight or paralysis and so if somebody feels like they're being attacked that's what's going to happen you have to make connections with people based on like our common humanity because that is the antithesis of marxism that we have we have a shared common humanity there are objective truths it's it seems like the the you know the philosophy of marxism is just to a tactic for destroying a

system to steal to steal power you know i made the point the other day like a lot of people say oh communism has never worked. That's not true. Communism has worked everywhere it's been tried because the point of communism is to create death and destruction. It is the point. It's designed to destroy a society. Yeah. They just pretend it's about helping you and making the world a better place, but it's actually about how can I empower myself. And I experienced this with Occupy Wall Street.

The activists literally said, they would say, we want to flip the pyramid over. Now, to the untrained, flipping the pyramid over implies the working class will now be on top and the capital will be forced to be on the bottom. What it really means, and this is what I asked, if you flip a pyramid over,

the bricks crumble into a disheveled pile with only one of those bricks from the working class sitting on top. And they're like, and that'll be us. And where will the gold live? The gold in the bellies of the people they possess? So this is the social justice stuff is very much a Trojan horse, which is probably something that you noticed, Yanmi, when you were at Columbia, was that this guise of compassion and kindness.

How did they couch it to you when you were first learning about social justice at your school? Did they present it as something highly positive or did they force you to do this stuff? It wasn't just, so I remember at the orientation, right? And then she was like, the instructor came and said, who likes Jane

Austin? And I was like, yeah, me, right? Right, yeah. And because i didn't have love i love like reading about romance books and then like do you know this world colonial mindset bigots racist wow so even when you think you don't know you're just reading a classic you're being subconsciously brainwashed by this white supremacists. So this is how you got to be aware. You can get brainwashed every day. I'm like, wow. Did you speak up and say, hey, actually, I'm from North Korea?

I did. I did. So before the class, in the class, right, there's like Western civilization, music, and art in Colombia, you have to take in a core curriculum. And then professors are like, who has a problem studying Western civilization, like the music? And everybody is like raising their hands.

And they say, because of this white man killed all minority and silenced women, we have to now study this bathtub and Mozart's bigots. Wow. I'm like, they were talented. Like, this is musicians. So'm like, they were talented. Like, this is musicians.

So, like that critical race theory, every single thing, they find a connection somehow. It's so smart. They're so, so creative

to look at the problem that way, isn't it? It's oppressed or oppressor. Mozart, oppressor. Binary.

They're now saying Beethoven was black, though. He wasn't. But they're actually now arguing that because of white supremacy, Beethoven couldn't actually be marketed as a black man, so they had to change his race.

No joke. There was this big thing where they started claiming that a black man invented the light bulb, and that Thomas Edison took credit for it. Thomas Edison was not a cool dude. Don't get me wrong. But I think the actual story was that a black man who worked for Thomas Edison developed a special filament. Yeah.

But historical revisionism is very, very important, right? They need to get to the point where they can tell us that there is this individual who is God and that you have to believe it or else. They need to get to the point where people can't defend themselves, will stop resisting, and will just give up. So every day that people challenge the system and say no is a bad day for this machine. But I also will say, at least for now, I don't think there is a grand architect or conspiracy or group that are trying

to make it happen. I think you could argue there's a conspiracy in the sense that a bunch of people who have a worldview rooted in this don't realize they're destroying everything around them. Some people for sure know they're lying, cheating and stealing, but it feels like dominoes falling over. You know, Joe Biden doesn't seem to be all with it, but he hears what people saying. Critical race theory is good. And he goes, okay. Mark Milley, the general, he has no idea what he's talking about. He goes, I just want to understand white rage. And it's like, bro, that's insane.

You're believing garbage. More and more people believe it. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah, I think this is where the beautiful language stuff comes in. Because if you, you know, people call people useful idiots. But it's kind of more like most of them are well-meaning innocents i've heard that term where like really they're just you know they they want to be better people like you were saying chris and they want to but like the beautiful language really just it kind of pulls the wool over the eyes of a lot of people and it's on purpose you see this in every

communist society where i mean in china they just came out with a white paper the communist party about uh you know how how the communist party in china has led human rights for a hundred years they've been the leader of human rights uh you know because we've you know like this is the time where like they killed 80 million people yeah but they're like yeah no we've, you know, like this is the time where like they killed 80 million people. Yeah. But they're like, yeah, no, we've definitely, you know, they redefine human rights. They say, you know, we talk about the universality of human rights within the context of each country. So they're already saying human rights are universal. We're going to change what this means, human rights. And then they go, we believe that human rights are subsistence development and

contentment and therefore these are like the metrics that we're using to say that we've you know we've lifted so many million people out of poverty you know we are the leader in human rights but it's even absurd even if you use that standard because they killed and starved like 80 million people. Yeah. So, but like they're able to kind of take this term that sounds great, human rights, that everybody's like, these are universal. You know, the UN says human rights are universal. And then they kind of can come and like twist that to mean something else and then make themselves look good. That is so interesting to me that they call it the beautiful language because this is exactly what they're doing in the U.S. They're changing these

terms. And this is why I brought up the topic of definitions yesterday. When you're going into a debate, you lay out your definitions before you even get started. Nothing proceeds until you know exactly where everyone stands and where everything is lined up. And this is why they won't define. This is why postmodernism is so dangerous. It's because they defy definition. It's one of their stronger points. It's basically what makes postmodernism what it is. It gives them this lability to kind of change the way you perceive the world.

And when you're arguing with them, oh, well, I didn't mean that. That doesn't mean that anymore. That used to mean that. It's evolved. Critical race theory. Yes. Christopher Rufo goes on Joy Reid's show on MSNBC and says critical race theory is rooted in Marxism. And she goes, no, it isn't.

And he's like, intersectionality is rooted in critical race theory. No, it's not. This author is a critical race theorist. No, she isn't. Of course not. And everything he said was true and verifiable. But they changed the definitions. She goes, Robin DiAngelo isn't a critical race theorist.

She's a critical white studies author. Of course, critical white studies is a component of critical race theory. They just try and make it as confusing as possible so you can never criticize them. It's all semantics. I mean, it is like Orwell wrote in 1984. It's like you lose a language to describe objective reality, and it drives you crazy. Right.

And that's, I mean, like, that's really destructive. I think this is when I'm shocked something. I think this is defectors in the beginning having a hard time. Because in North Korea, words, like, doesn't mean anything. Like, right? Wokism, you say. No, words. Oh doesn't mean anything. Like, right? Locism, you said. No, words. Like, words mean nothing.

In TV, like, say, oh, maybe we live in the socialist paradise, blah, blah, blah. I mean, there's never a bad news, right? So everything that you study in school is not really relevant to your actual life. When I came here, I was so shocked how seriously the words meant to people. And I don't know, it's so insane. I don't know how they did that in North Korea. I mean, it's kind of the way that a communist regime destroys society in a certain sense because you destroy the meaning of language.

So everybody's a liar. You have to be a liar all the time yeah for your survival and then there's nothing right well uh you made a stargate reference earlier yes i did sg1 though well i guess so in the movie they go to this this other planet through the stargates a portal and when they try and write on the ground the the slaves there freak out like writing is forbidden what are you doing? And they're like, we're trying to convey an idea to you through insight, you can't do that.

And it's because when people have the ability to communicate, you know, they become dangerous. They share ideas, they become more knowledgeable, they start to understand. The collective computational power of a large group of people is a lot. So to keep people oppressed, you must limit their ability to understand reality and share those ideas. Well, this is why I think the United States

of America has always been the greatest enemy to communism. You know, it states we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that there is this. I mean, they called it like nature or the creator that gives people inalienable rights. This is different from most other countries, that you don't have freedom of speech or freedom of religion because the government grants you that. You have it because you're human. You have this because something beyond human understanding has made it an innate part of your existence. And that creates an objective reality that is the opposite of communism, like Shelley was talking about with human rights in China.

What they're saying is we have our definition of human rights. You have your definitions of human rights. Don't enforce your values. Don't push your values on us. And then you get lost in all these word games, but if you just zoom out, and what the Chinese Communist Party is doing to the Uyghurs is evil. What it's doing to Falun Gong is evil.

What it's doing to all the Chinese people is evil. That is objective truth. The one thing that greatly benefits China in the international conflict, where we're trying to convince people who's right and who's wrong, is the narrative of Black Lives Matter in the United States about some grand institutionalized racism, where they come out and say, look what you're doing to these minorities, and it's all exaggerated or extreme, or at the very least, they hyper-focus on some stories and make it seem like the whole of the country is racist or broken. I i mean that's what chinese propaganda has been doing about the u.s for years

um every day there's a 30 minute chinese news show that plays on every channel right and like it's always whenever they talk about america it's always about how dangerous and violent and racist and whatever how bad it is and so this stuff about critical race theory is kind of just like, it's exactly the same thing. And they are so happy. The Chinese Communist Party, like, loves this. They use it all the time. Like, they can just say, oh, well, you can't criticize us for Wuhan,

the lab leak or coronavirus. I mean, they won't admit it's a lab leak. But, you know, you say that it's racist. There was an incident that happened in the UN last week where Canada was coronavirus i mean they won't admit it's a lab leak but you know you say that it's racist um there was a incident that happened in the un last week where canada was about to bring up that they should be an investigation into the uyghur genocide and the chinese representative stood up and was like preemptively said actually there needs to be an investigation to canada for what happened to the indigenous children you know like like he just like right before the canadian official was going to say something just

came up in a classic communist party move yeah yeah so yeah they love you know you know you know it's funny there's this uh it's like a joke idea um what if we are actually in north korea not like literally the physical space like what if people people in America are the ones who think they're so smart and think they know the world, but it's all propaganda. It's all manipulation. It's all controlled. And then actually in these other countries, they have spaceships and they have, you know, 100 years more advanced technology. The idea is that for a lot of people, you just believe what the TV tells you. You just believe the newspapers tell you.

I suppose the difference is the United States, we have these kinds of conversations that challenge our own understanding of the world. We also have freedom of movement so we can go to these other countries or meet people in these countries. You can't though. You can go to a lot of countries, but there are some countries you can't go to. American Passport will not get

you in. Not in North Korea. I have to take your word for it and you might be CIA. See? That proves it. I know. But there are a lot of countries you can't get into. No, I think it's a funny idea, but the

fact that you can even mention this idea that our government does lie to us. Of course they lie to us. There's classified information. They have to lie in some circumstances, but they lie when they shouldn't, and there's a lot of people who are corrupt but then our media lies to us all the time as well i do think it's funny when we talk about the things china is doing and you know you mentioned that china's got this program where they say all these things about the united states we got the same thing sort of right we've got these corporate american deep state whatever

media that just say whatever the establishment wants them to say. Granted, we also have the internet with some free speech still available to the rest of us, but more so than many of these other countries. I mean, the great thing for China is that the American corporate media is saying the same thing as the Chinese propaganda.

Especially during the entire coronavirus. The solid they did for china oh yeah and youtube saying you can't uh speak out against the world health organization what they say is law don't say anything that contradicts them well even worse this is something we covered recently like a lot of these medical journals early on that were saying uh you know, it's lab leak hypothesis, complete conspiracy theory. Not only were they quoting scientists like Dr. Peter Daszak, who was working with the

Wuhan Institute of Virology. China is giving money to some of the biggest medical journals in the world, Lancet and Springer Nature, right? Yeah, Springer Nature and Elsevier, which is the parent company of Lancet. They get a lot of money from China to publish open access journals. So somebody estimated that Springer Nature's deal with China is worth like $10 million a year. You know, I think it's much worse than anybody realizes. Let me explain to you guys how easy it is to control the American narrative, especially with something like YouTube.

YouTube is one of the greatest vehicles for political propaganda ever created. Let's say you're China. You want the American public to believe your lies and your propaganda. It's simple. Take a large portion of your money and then buy ads on the YouTube channels

that say the things that you like. It's that simple. What ends up happening is YouTube sees that, oh, advertisers really love these particular YouTubers. They generate a ton of ad revenue. Prop them up. Boost them in the algorithm. They get prominent positioning.

They get more and more views. They become wealthy and successful. They hire people and expand their companies. It's that simple. There's no way to track it unless Google was audited and forced to reveal where the money is coming through. But it's very, it works in any capacity. Any individual can run any videos and ad and anybody can buy an advertisement and choose

to run it on a specific channel. So if you find somebody who's producing a show called like China, you know, a YouTube channel called Why china is right and every day they do an hour video where as an american they're like this lies and propaganda china is great some political actor might not be able to physically fund that without an ad appearing youtube will say this is a chinese sponsored but the chinese government can put money into a company which then advertises sneakers they say, we want to run all of these ads for sneakers on this channel. On this China is right.

On this China is right channel. And you think this China is right channel would make a lot of money? I would say so. Well, it makes a lot of money because they're giving the money to the creator and to Google. Google doesn't care. Well, so think about it, right? If you guys have a YouTube channel, the U.S. government could be secretly putting money into Google, and you would never know. As an individual, you would not know because Google just says, hey, here's how much money you made in ads, and you have no idea where the ads came from or what the ads are for.

I have people that mention to me like, oh, I got a Bloomberg ad on your video once. This is back during the election or whatever, primaries. And I'm like, good. I rag on the guy all the time. So if he's paying me to rag on him, it's understandable that he wants to try and counter that narrative but i don't think you guys buy it right i think my audience is smart enough to realize the dude's full of it and he's buying political ads and i'll take his money but what if what if it's more uh insidious than that what if it's a company for air conditioners just every ad spot that you have so there's

ad inventory your video could be a certain amount of minutes, maybe it's 15 minutes, and a YouTube ad can appear every certain amount of minutes. And algorithmically, they restrict how many ads can appear. Not every video sells every possible ad space. But what if you were China? You saw a YouTuber who was constantly saying things good about you. You could indirectly make sure every single available ad on that channel was paid for, and that YouTuber is now making tons of money, successful, and driven to produce more of the content they're doing because it works. China's doing it simpler.

They're just directly paying some YouTubers. And I don't think those YouTubers have a state-sponsored... No, there are a bunch of like white pro-China YouTubers suddenly who are going to Xinjiang and walking around saying, there's no genocide here. Wow. Look at this cotton field. Where's the genocide? There was

this really creepy moment where China was asking people to upload a video to their YouTube channels where it was a guy complaining about a Falun Gong show in New York City. They were like, I think it was Falun Gong. I'm not sure. It was some like theater show.

And he was like, this is wrong and creepy. Why is this religious organization being allowed to put on this show? And you'd get an email and they were like we'll give you 200 to upload this to your channel right now and oh yeah i heard about this yeah yeah yeah that's super weird yeah i think it's against the rules but maybe not maybe not do you guys feel like this is capitalism defeating itself like the fact that people are being able to monetize this money that's available to weaponize information against the way that the West has become powerful. That's kind of what I've been thinking.

This might be kind of a tangential answer to that question, but I think I don't believe in capitalism. I think that's a Marxist kind of construct, a binary. You have communism or you have capitalism. I think that's a Marxist kind of construct to it, a binary. You have communism or you have capitalism. And that's not really true. It's like you have freedom to engage in the economy. It's not capitalism. It's freedom. Yeah, capitalism existed

as like the normal human mode of trade and economics. And then Marx kind of gave a name to it. Right. Right. It was just enterprise. Yeah.

And while also ignoring that, you know, there were other systems like mercantilism or subsistence farming. It just blames all the problems in history on capitalism. That guy was nuts. What a crazy dude. I hear he smelled bad, too. I heard he was racist. Gross.

He should be canceled for his racism. He actually was kind of racist. He was, yeah. We should take Super Chats. If you haven't already, give us a like at the like button, subscribe to the channel, and share the show if you think these conversations are important. We're definitely going to have more like it.

There's a lot of questions because this is one of the more serious shows that we've done. Ardwick says it's about time Tim gets a real Korean on his show. Joking, joking. Love you both. Hi, Yeonmi. I think they want more Stargate. I've been watching a lot of SG-1. I love that show.

Yeah, me too. Yeah, big fan. You've all been watching it? Yeah. I missed it when it was on, so I've been going through it on Netflix. Oh, really? Now I'm, like, on the sixth season. The one with Dom DeLuise is the best. Oh, don't spoil it for me.

Okay. I think I'm on season three, but I think I started with season two, so I need to, like, stop and go back and make sure I watch, but heaven to blast. Alright, Mark Guidetti says, Yanmi is such an inspiring human being. Tim, it's surprising it took this long to have her as a guest.

Well, you know, we have to do it. Thank you. Garhant says, Chris and Shelley love your show. Can you talk about your Uyghur teacher who escaped interview? And then they said, Yanmi is the hottest Korean in America. Sorry, Tim. Yikes. and then they said Yeonmi is the hottest Korean in America sorry Tim I think he's talking about the guy we interviewed who he was that he tried to start a kindergarten

oh him yeah and he tried to start a kindergarten and was put in prison for it because he wanted to teach the Uyghur language in this kindergarten and the most interesting thing I think that came out of our conversation he was also raped when he was language in this kindergarten. And the most interesting thing I think that came out of our conversation, he was also raped when he was put

in this prison camp. That's standard for everyone. He said it's just a matter of how much you can rape. Yeah, he was like a little raped. He was raped only once or twice. I think that was kind of how he put it. But he talked about how, you know, even growing up as a Uyghur in China, he had

this idea that it was kind of a misunderstanding that if the Chinese Communist Party just really understood what was happening with the Uyghurs like on the ground then there wouldn't be so much repression you know like he just kind of thought it was a misunderstanding and this is something we've heard from multiple Chinese dissidents or people who've been in prison for their beliefs or whatever that like they thought it was just like because they grew up in this environment where they're taught. Like even if you try to resist the brainwashing, if you're a dissident, you're a pretty stubborn person. Right. You're a pretty stubborn, opinionated person. But even people who were like able to dissent from an authoritarian system, they had that part of them that was kind of a little bit in disbelief that it would actually get so bad like he didn't think he

was going to go to prison for starting a kindergarten right yeah or like those the recent student protests they had a legitimate complaint about the government taking private schools and blending them with vocational schools, kind of watering down their degrees. They protested. I don't think they knew that they were protesting on the anniversary of June 4th, the Tiananmen Square massacre. Because they didn't know. They didn't know. Probably not.

Yeah. And, yeah, so I'm sure to them it's, I think what always happens is it's like, oh, this is an obviously reasonable thing. Obviously the party is reasonable. Nope. It's not. And actually, this was something, this was a really good point for understanding China that another Chinese YouTuber, Laowai86, Seamilk, mentioned, and I thought this was really, really clever. When people, like the Communist Party says, like, you know, people in China have huge approval ratings of the Communist Party. And now there's all the propaganda to, you know, whatever. But I think, but he said part of it is essentially true that when people think of the Communist Party and the Communist Party they like,

they think of the big, faraway central government, the main ideas. But if you ask people about their local leaders, the Communist Party having a direct impact on their lives, that's when they're like, oh, we hate the local officials. It's separated in their minds. All right. Patty B says, I used to think Agent Smith was a bad guy,

but watching China Uncensored changed my mind. Thanks, China Uncensored, for your work exposing the CCP. It's especially important for my country, Australia. Graphene for life. Yes.

Ian is not here today, though. Thank you. Bub Savvy says, repeat after me. I trust the government. They will not take my wealth, but the wealth of those I choose. Wealth that once distributed will reflect on society my virtues. I repeat with confidence I trust the government. Indeed.

Yeah, I don't know about that one. That'll work. All right. What is this? What is this? El Rojo Grande says, Hey, Tim, PSA just released a limited edition AR-15 lower in response to Biden's comments on defense from a tyrannical government.

The Tyranny 15. Safety selection has freedom. F-15 and nukes engraving. Very cool. Yeah, Joe Biden. I made the joke on Twitter that I'm sure King George III said, You doth think thy would succeed in battle against the crown? They don't really talk that way, I know.

You would need cavalry and frigates. This idea that Joe Biden basically said, if we're a repressive government, don't even bother. That's what it sounded like he was saying. It's the craziest thing. Yeah. It was also a quote from Thomas Jefferson, which is funny for him to kind of disparage. Okay.

Let's see what we got. Tom Holland says, hey, Tim and crew, 25-year-old brain cancer survivor. Can be secretary, whatever you guys need. Minimal pay. I love what you guys do. Feel free to send an email over to jobs at timcast.com yeah all right jay vance 131 says i love yonmi park please let her know that all of us in america support her and we will always protect her she is an amazing and very brave woman that is true

chuck norris gun club says send her to congress yes yeah have you have you testified to congress before any issues i think that would be very important for how do we make that happen Chuck Norris Gun Club says send her to Congress. Yes. Yeah, have you testified to Congress before? Any issues? No. I think that would be very important. How do we make that happen? I don't know. People should find the appropriate Republican who has the gall to challenge wokeism and wokeness

and bring on someone who's had experience with... Josh Hawley. Would that be Santus? Massey. Rubio? Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.

I think Hawley would do it. I thinkz cruz would do ted cruz he wrote a letter about this in interest to build to ban critical race theory so ted cruz are you listening yeah definitely should have yummy park testify about what what these communists do and that lady from virginia the lady from virginia the lady who escaped maoist china oh oh i'm like i thought you were referring to a politician no no no not from Virginia no way Hey Loudoun County is doing alright I know yeah that's where that lady was Final Why final Yikeser I'm not sure

He says her story is literally heartbreaking I always knew North Korea was bad but this is crazy Yeah the story about no love Like that is dark So sad Wow Fob Joe says most of us know tim's opinion about trump crossing the dmz but

yanmi has a contrasting opinion i'd love for you to have a discussion about it uh well that that super chat was actually before i think we did bring it up yeah because for me it was kind of like trump took a big risk doing it but i but i certainly think he ended up not getting much from it.

Not much. Yeah. Rockslide says, I had to donate today to say that you are a hero, Yanmi. Hearing your story shook me to my core and in this world

not much does that anymore. You are a glowing reminder why this fight is so important. Amen. Oh, thank you. That's the nicest thing I ever heard. I mean, I became big after the Fox News thing.

And they were like, actually my personal friends were reaching out to me. I'm concerned about you. Why are you doing this? Why are you being used by like Sean Hannity? He's a liar. He's a propagandist. Why do you have to share that on Fox News? And I was like, they were the only one who was interested in listening to me.

If New York Times calls me, I'm going to do an interview with them and share my views. And they're like, okay. But so New York Times didn't call, you can know. But they're communists, so. Not literally, but there are this ideological element taking over these industries. But it was interesting.

When I was criticizing Trump, New York Times loved me. Of course they did. Yeah. So whenever I defeat their narrative, they use me. So they are the ones actually using you. And it's like, yeah. Mark

Robertshaw says, Kim is a go-a-old. What have you done? Why is Stargate all of a sudden becoming relevant? I don't know. So I used to quote Star Trek all the time, and people were like, Tim, you've got to watch Stargate all of a sudden becoming relevant I don't know so I used to I used to quote Star Trek all the time

and people were like Tim you gotta watch Stargate SG-1 so I was like I started watching it and I watch it like a couple episodes every day now all of a sudden

it's not Star Trek anymore it's Stargate it's a good show though fantastic show it is really cool a really cool show except for the weird full frontal nudity

in the pilot oh boy what was there yeah it was I think they were Tim forgot I didn't in the pilot. Oh, boy. What, was there? Yeah, I think they were... Tim forgot. I didn't see the pilot. It was on Showtime. Yeah, it was going to be on Showtime.

So they were like, oh, this is Showtime. It's like a nude Richard Dean Anderson or something? No, no, no. It was nude women. Oh, of course. Yeah, they know their audience. Well done. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Richard Dean Anderson, if you're watching. He's a great character, though. O' if you're watching. He's a great character, though. O'Neill was fantastic. He's a great character. He's fantastic. Very different from the movie. All right.

Michael Brogan says, My question is for Yeonmi. I noticed that you couldn't laugh at the absurdities of the North Korean regime. The concept is foreign to us and Americans. How long did it take you to get to that point, and is it a normal reaction now? To be not shocked by the the regime like to laugh at what they do and what they represent i suppose i'm not okay yeah the other day i was sharing this meme

right in north korea killing yourself is uh it's a crime so if someone tried to kill yourself they are gonna execute you oh my gosh i saw that one you're're going to kill yourself anyway. That is... So dark? Very dark. But it's obvious why it's funny. It's a representation of how horribly mismanaged and nonsensical the system is. It's absurd, yeah. And they do not allow any disobedience.

Even killing yourself is not up to you. It's up to me as a state. You do not even have that right. So that's the thing. In America, people are saying, Oh my God, we have so much problem not even have that right. So that's the thing. In America, people are saying, oh my god, we have so much problem. We have homeless people. So do you know what happens if you become

homeless in North Korea? You're sent to prison camp. So being homeless is a privilege, guys. You have that much freedom. That's interesting. I couldn't believe these people choose to be homeless and that's their freedom. And in North Korea, we don't even have that freedom.

There is no gratitude in the U.S. Yeah, freedom to fail. Yeah, no. Okay. Matthew Lunsford says, Thanks for fighting against critical race theory. I'm not a colonizer, and my wife isn't depressed. My children shouldn't be taught otherwise.

I definitely think one of the biggest weaknesses of critical race theory and these identitarians is mixed race people. Telling a white person they're an oppressor and they're evil, it's like they're literally married to a person of a different race or, you know, could be the man or the woman. And then all of a sudden they just say, oh, well, you're fetishizing the other person.

And it's like, you are seriously insulting love. Like like people who care about each other and love each other. And what does that mean to their kids who can't split their DNA apart and not be a product of your psychotic ideology? Yeah. You can tell I take personal issue with them. Understandably. Yeah. Yeah. Bonker says nobody really owns land in the U.S. either.

Miss a property tax payment and see what happens. The only difference is we can hand our property in the tax department with it down to our family. But can you do that in China? Like the lease you buy, give to a family member like if you die or something? I mean, it's good for 70 years. Really? So theoretically, yes. So it's still very 70 years. Oh, really? So theoretically, yes. So it's still very different though.

Yeah. But like most people don't actually own even a lease to a land because most property in China is apartments. So, you know, you can own the apartment, but you can't own any of the land associated with it. Interesting.

Ji Young Hwang says, I'm a Korean Canadian from South. I'm quite sure I know more about North Korean history than most North Koreans. Things always start with a bait, the most prominent one being land redistribution. Oh, definitely. I think that's true, though. Do you think that's true that South Koreans

probably know more about North Korea than North Koreans? You know more about North Korea than North Koreans know about themselves. I mean, I told you, we don't even know. Like, we are isolated. So when people say, like, at Columbia, they're like, I told you, we don't even know. Like, we are isolated. Yeah. So when people say, like,

at Columbia, they're like, I'm so oppressed, right? Like, do you know actually when you're oppressed, you don't know you're oppressed?

Yeah. So, yeah. I believe it was Harriet Tubman who said, I freed many slaves. I would have freed many more if only they knew

they were slaves. Yeah. Exactly. Powerful stuff. Grant says, ask Yeonmi about North Korean education and how they combine math with indoctrination.

So, yeah, that's the thing. Everything. But other than that, the most important subject you have to learn is the Kim's revolution history. Like what kind of miracles they do, how much they love their people. If he's a god,

if Kim Il-sung was a god, then what's the story of the creation of North Korea? Do they believe he just manifested it, or do they believe it was a revolution? No, there was rainbows singing in the sky. The universe chose it. The light came out from the mountain. It's a Pink Floyd cover.

Yeah, exactly. But they do believe it came from the mountain, right? Was it the Baekdu Daegang? Yeah, Baekdu Mountain. And then this is a universe chose him. It's not us. So then he gave us his son. Yeah.

But then what's Kim Jong-un? They lost a little bit. But they said Kim Jong-un is more like the first grandfather. He came back to serve the people. So they said he actually did plastic surgery to look like his grandfather. Like the first grandfather, he came back to serve the people. So they said he actually did plastic surgery to look like his grandfather. Really? Yeah, he acted like grandfather.

So to remind people, like that's how much the real leader loves you. I have a feeling that there's like at some point, you got a bunch of these like North Korean Communist Party members and they're like sitting there like kind of just half glazed over. Let's just say Kim Il-sung came back. I don't know. Whatever. They'll believe it. They will believe it. I guess. But you literally get executed. One of the executions Kim Jong-un did is somebody better sleep

during the meeting. And that afternoon he just got executed. He's the top top official in the country. Don't they want to leave? No. Because they know they are royalties, right? These official guys

have hundreds of concubines. There is no such a concept in North Korea, rape or sexual harassment. Nobody can persecute for that. So if officials walking on the street, I want that girl, bring her.

Nobody persecutes them. This is a horrifying place. So yeah, for these guys, it's their dream. Like Kim Jong-un has a pleasure squad. They go around the country, every village, every school. They bring these girls, train them, and then make them pleasure squad. But not only for Kims, everybody else,

all these taboo leaders. So they have these lost parties while they're preaching communism models to us. There are a lot of stories that certainly make me understand why people are interventionalists. Interventionists, is that the right word? Yeah. I just think when I hear these stories, it's like everyone in America lives a life of privileged ignorance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we need to know these things. We need to know how good we have it. Yes. I think it's one of the problems we're facing. A lot of younger people, millennial, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, they think they have it bad. Well, I always say this. Like when was the last time you had to pay a bride in America?

You can't. That's so common in the world. In so many countries, that's like daily life. Not in the U.S. In the U.S., people are so scared of losing their jobs, they won't even stand up for themselves. Not everybody, but a lot of people are like, I can't take a bribe. I'll get in trouble. We have scruples.

It's a good thing. It worries me, though, because I think we're losing it. We're getting to that point where bribes might actually matter. However, though, the woke ideology stuff, purity is more important than anything. So when you're terrified of getting canceled, people won't cross. No. Though some people end up with multimillion-dollar mansions. I mean, yeah, that's true.

Your girlfriend's boyfriend says, I am a big manly man, and hearing the finer details of Yanmi's story Made me cry and unable to repeat to others Why? Because it was so harsh On a lighter note I want to take her to dinner And see how much she can eat now Oh, I can eat

I believe it Oh yeah I definitely can eat Michael McKesson says Tim, love your video shooting the M82. Brings a smile to my face. Yeah, we went out with a Barrett M82. Do you guys know what that is?

I imagine it's big. Yes. It's very big. It is for hunting helicopters. Yes. There's too many helicopters in this country. It's true. Yeah, they become a nuisance every so often,

and you've got to cull the numbers, otherwise they keep breeding, and there's helicopters everywhere. But it's so cute when they're feeding their young little baby helicopters it really is for hunting helicopters not like anyone's actually doing that

in the United States it's just a very very large why does anyone need that kind of a gun I mean helicopters because helicopters what do you mean? You never know, you know? Bad helicopter?

What if a burglar comes to your house in a helicopter and he's going to patch you in your life? You know what you're supposed to do? We're allowed to have it. That's the thing. Joe Biden doesn't want us to have it. That's for sure. But we are.

Commander 232 says, Park, I have much respect for you and wish you the best. I was stationed in South Korea in 2010 through 2011 when I was in the army and all the korean people i met were so welcoming and wanting to work with you uh and wanting to work with you and that included north koreans i met at the dmz interesting wow i was there i was in south korea then oh interesting oh wow i went to uh the first time i ever went, it was with Luke, actually. And we went to a raccoon cafe. Did you ever go to any of those?

No. Where you go inside and there's raccoons everywhere and you can just pet them and they're like, you give them food. It sounds incredibly dangerous. Oh, my gosh. That sounds terrible. We have cat cafes. Yeah. Like the sheep, baby lamb cafes.

Yes. And there were dog cafes. Uh-huh. But the dogs are so messy. Yeah. They're like barfing. And you're like, they expect you to sit down and like have food or like have a drink, like a boba or something. It's like there's just dogs running around.

It was fun though. We went. It was definitely fun. Wow. Okay. Mountain Man Chuck says, random question for Yeonmi. Have you ever been to a live performance of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony? No, I haven't.

But I would love to. I think the biggest appreciate that I have is that for North Korean people, history was forgotten. So I never knew. Even though God made you or the Big Bang happened, still we can connect to

humanity longer. But in North Korea, you just never learn anything before Kim. Our kind of star, Joo Chae Won, when Kim Il Sung was born. Everything before was erased for us. So I think I feel like this lineage now with humanity. But in North Korea, you just don't have that. So if they believe that rainbows and singing in the sky and then from the mountains comes Kim Il-sung,

who's everybody else? Who are the Americans? Where do they come from? You guys are so... My friend, white friend, I took her to South Korea. My mom was the first thing touching her because we learned that you guys are cold-blooded. And we don't have internet. We cannot look up how

Americans look like like school posters that's how they show there's a huge nose green eyes what? and Yankees and like cold-blooded monsters right?

they don't even have a heart huh what was your mom's reaction when she she's like oh my god you're a worm and she was like why would you touch us?

yeah so she always wanted to know if they were actually cold-blooded or not. Interesting. Yeah. Morgan Neer. $10 for Knowles the first time. $10 for Lauren Chen. $10 for Knowles the second time.

$10 for China Uncensored. $10 for Uber Ian. Yeah. $10 for Wonderful Lids. $10 for Yeonmi, the bravest, most wonderful voice we have. And $10 for teaching about the horrors of communism god bless thank you thank you very much it is certainly horrifying all right let's see oh man there's some uh i think someone super chatted in in korean i can't read that all right let's see but we'll come down to that we'll'll come down to that. It jumps and you get a big influx of super chats.

Ken Bossick says, something, something Bitcoin fixes this. Yeah. I mean, we talk about crypto all the time, but I certainly think Bitcoin does in many ways. In Venezuela, for instance, where they want to control and regulate currency and control the people, they can share with Bitcoin. Of course, in North Korea, if you don't have a smartphone, the technology to actually use this stuff, it's probably hard to actually fix it. Here's a question that's probably for me, but I'll say it for... I'll ask you on me. Brent

Chapel says, what has been your favorite anime so far, and which one do you want to watch next? Anime? Yeah. Japanese cartoons. So, this is the thing. Because I came out as almost 17 years old.

I mean, I did not know Michael Jackson was, right? When people say Michael Jackson was a big deal, who was that? And then when Steve Jobs died, I have no clue who Steve Jobs is. So my culture thing is so behind.

So I actually never seen any anime. It's like when Captain America had the book of all the things he missed when he was frozen. Yeah. You got to go through it, you know? I know. I was like, I'm going to taste a lobster. And tomorrow I'm going to eat shrimp. I'm going to eat this.

All the stuff to do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when Yomi said she had never seen a shower before, I was thinking of Demolition Man. Where he's in the future and like, oh, he doesn't know what the three seashells are. Right. He doesn't know what the seashells are. Well, when Yeonmi said she had never seen a shower before, I was thinking of Demolition Man. Where he's in the future and he doesn't know what the three seashells are. He doesn't know what the seashells are. It's like that.

That's if you come from North Korea. You'd have no idea. The shells. Oh, gosh, the shells. All right. Alternative JK90 says, Shout out to Yeonmi and China Uncensored for what you do best. Question for Yeonmi, Shelley, and Chris.

What is your take on the South Korean president? My mom believes he secretly is siding with President Xi and the CCP. Thank you, Yeonmi from a Korean. Oh, thank you. I'm going to let Chris. You guys did such a good job covering about him. Well, it doesn't seem so secret to me. I mean, like Moon Jae-in, in his youth, he was a a leftist kind of a communist sympathizer so there are a lot of people who think that he is still basically that and the people that

are in power in south korea are sympathize sympathize with north korea would like to unify right with north kore Korea and also are sympathetic towards China and turning away from the U.S. essentially. We did a few videos on China Uncensored about that topic. Interesting. So the idea of reunification that he wants is let's come together and let's vote. In South Korea, there are like 10 more parties.

North Korea, one communist party. Right. So who gets more vote than rule the entire Korea. So in Korea you get like 90-90% of the voting rate. So they won't be exactly go under Kim Jong-un.

You can vote Communism in. Yeah. Vote it out. We know that. You gotta fight your way out. That's what it is, right? Yeah. Alright. So Jong the Great says, the use of the word capitalist and subsequently capitalism were coined in Germany in the 1850s

and ultimately capitalized by a prominent German writer, Karl Marx. The actual definition of our system as capitalist is Marxist thinking. It's not. That's right. Interesting. 1991, Shadowheart says,

go old, lives matter. Toker lives matter. Tokra lives matter. Yes. Politically defiant. I know these references now. Politically defiant says, Walter, make it spin. Also, Jason Momoa will always be

Ronin Dex from Atlantis. Well, Pegasus Galaxy. That's right. I hear good things about Atlantis. Have you watched Stargate Atlantis? No, I haven't yet. I kind of think SG-1, you know, it's like, it's pretty good. I got to watch it.

There's a lot to it, though. A lot of people are mentioning they're watching SG-1. Oh, my gosh. Great. Andrew Rohn says, I'm getting anti-gun ads on gun channels now. I doubt that these channels are getting the ad money. Most likely YouTube inserting propaganda. They're probably getting the ad money. Most likely YouTube inserting propaganda. They're probably getting

the ad money. They probably are. YouTube allows ads on gun channels maybe because of anti-gun propaganda. So long as the gun is in an appropriate facility,

you can't have it in a bedroom, it's got to be in a gun range or a store, you're fine. And you also can't take sponsorship from people who sell guns. That's interesting.

We've covered gun issues on our other show, America Uncovered, a few times, and I think it's always demonetized. Yeah, that sounds right. T-Town says, Tim, I'm not getting notifications for you anymore. They are trying to bury you. Hashtag don't bury Tim. That's right. That's right. They are.

So you need to like this video, subscribe to this channel, hit the notification bell, and even then, it doesn't do anything. So I guess if you really like the show, you can share the show. And go to TimCast.com, become a member, help support our work, because we're going to be bringing on more journalists and expanding our content. New website launching in just a few weeks. But I guess so long as you like the show and you just come and watch it of your own volition,

YouTube doesn't owe me promotion. YouTube doesn't owe me notification bells. I guess technically if you choose to get notified and you don't, they're kind of ripping you off. So set an alarm on your phone for Monday through Friday at 8 p.m. Yeah. Nambot says SG1 is so relevant because wokeism equals go out old. And season four, episode six, window opportunity, best episode ever.

I'm not there yet I gotta really watch this show yeah it's time to watch the show I guess all right we'll just do we'll do a couple more here I'm lost AI train I think

it's a train or is it L train thank you for bringing Yami onto the show I picked up her book recently and it's one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever read what she

went through is hell and to come out of it and be the person she is today is just amazing. She's a wonderful person. Do you want to mention your book? Yeah, it's called In Order to Live. That book ended when I began Columbia, right before.

Thank God. Imagine if I would stay there. There's going to be a whole other chapter about it. Then maybe it would not be published and reviewed by the mainstream. That's the kind of book that should be required in schools, you know, understanding other cultures, understanding authoritarianism. Maybe in Florida. You also have a YouTube channel.

Oh, yeah, I do. I have a channel that talks about North Korea. Cool. Yeah. I talk about the beauty standard of North Korea. So, you know, in North Korea, who's the hottest guy? Kim Jong-un. Don't be gassed.

Because everybody's so poor, right? So in North Korea, thin waistline is not a beauty. Right, being heavier. And if you're bored, symbol of status. So you got to be chubby and bored. And you are very attractive. So we're going to get, maybe, we were having a laugh with Michael Malice

and we were talking about getting an old-timey painting where we can take the eyes out and have the eyes follow you. Michael said that he showed us a picture, a painting of Kim Jong-il wearing a samurai outfit and riding a tiger. Have you ever seen that painting before? No.

He was like, this is the painting you have to get. And I was like, I'm down. That would be amazing. Wow. Yeah. That would be really funny. We gotta do that. That sounds great. Daroon Albain says, Tim, watch Farscape show. It's awesome. All right. Well, that's after SG1, I suppose.

Farscape was cool. Was it? Not as good as SG1. Samuel Brucker says, so how do we let the North Koreans know that we love them and that we believe that they are worth saving? Can we drop millions of crates full of KFC blue jeans and iPhones? That would be a dream. So there are nonprofits that I work with.

We send outside information to North Koreans. So when I was in North Korea, one of the turning points for me was watching movie Titanic. Because, I mean, until then, I love, I mean, we don't learn, like we don't know right. In North Korea? How did you get it? It's through the underground market.

But you get executed and sent to prison camp for watching foreign information. Wow. Yeah, if you ever read the Bible, you get executed. Yeah. Wow. So you're literally risking your life to watching some movie. And here we just do a Netflix binge all night.

No excuse, we're done. Imagine being executed for Titanic. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. We'll do that. But you can actually watch some really messed up stuff on the Internet in America, like things you shouldn't watch you can watch, let alone the Titanic. Yeah.

Wow. So, I mean, those kind of things you can do. There are a lot of work we can do to let them know. And, I mean, a lot of people are saying, like, oh, what are you going to do? Like, North Koreans are so brilliant, why should they think we are monsters? But when I came to America, like just looking at you guys, lie doesn't have power. That's the thing.

We never have to be worrying about these lies. What's the name of your nonprofit that does that? I'm working with the Human Rights Foundation. They have this program

called Flash Drives for Freedom. Oh, cool. So we send this USB sticks with information. And some of our North Koreans love the Beverly Hills Desperate Wives. Wow. I don't know why, but because it's so different.

So they want to escape their life, I think. They want to look at that. Interesting. Yeah. Well, to everybody who hung out on this Friday night and smashed that like button, thank you all so very much. Subscribe to the channel. Use the notification bell, I guess.

It doesn't seem to work. So set an alarm on your phone for 8 p.m. every day over at YouTube.com slash TimCast. You can follow us on Instagram and Facebook at TimCast. You can follow me at TimCast and go to TimCast.com, become a member. We're going to have a vlog up tomorrow over at YouTube.com slash Cast Castle, which is, what did we do this time? Oh, we went to zip lining. And then this is really, really funny. Luke blows up the house and nukes the planet.

I'm not kidding. Literally, the vlog is Luke blowing up the house. It's silly. It's fun. You'll love it. I suppose you just shouted out your book and your YouTube channel already but do you have any other social media or anything

else you want to mention? I'm on like Instagram Twitter Facebook not on TikTok so find me on other platforms

just YouTube is good it's called The Voice of North Korea yeah awesome and then China Uncensored Chalene Chris

you want to mention anything? you can follow me on Twitter at Shaljong S-H-E-L-Z-H-A-N-G. Although, to be honest, I've been a little late on Twitter lately. It was good for the mental health. Yes. And you can follow China Uncensored or America Uncovered or our podcast, China Unscripted, on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, not TikTok. Yeah. That's right.

And you guys can follow me on Twitter at SarpashLids. And thank you guys both for coming. Yanmi, I feel like I speak for many people when I say that your story was incredibly moving. You presented it so calmly and so rationally that I think that hopefully it will change a lot of people's minds. And, of course, Chris and Shelley for your knowledge about China. Thank you for having me. Cheers for Yeonmi. Yeah, for sure.

Yeonmi, the story about how you risk your life to watch a movie, how you face certain death, even just staying where you were and you had to

make your way to China, how you endured slavery because it was better than death, but how you traveled through the desert to make it finally to South Korea to find freedom

is one of the most inspirational stories I've ever heard. And so I hope it inspires many Americans to stand up for what they believe in, to not allow ideologues and authoritarians to take over because certainly it can be way worse if we do nothing. And we have a lot to lose as a country, but for the time being, fighting back, we would never even risk as bad as it was for the things you've experienced. I mean, Americans, their worst-case scenario will never be as nearly as devastating unless we do nothing. So I hope that's a good reminder.

And thank you for coming. I really appreciate it. So everybody else, thanks for hanging out. We will see you all Monday in the next episode. And have a good weekend. Bye, guys.