Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #327 - Latest Rittenhouse Filing Could Mean Total Victory For Kyle And Team w/John Pierce

Episode Date: July 10, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join lawyer and head of the National Constitutional Law Union John Pierce to break down the latest in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, Ashli Babbitt's sad demise, the woke military, the ...parallels between ancient Rome and current America, the prophetic book 'The Last President' and China's ban of LGBT from a chat app. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We got an interesting development in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. It may not seem like that big of a deal, but I think it strikes the heart of the conservative argument against Kyle. No, no, no. Hear me out. Kyle Rittenhouse has a gun charge. People were arguing that he was too young to have a weapon. And now the legal team has filed a motion to have those charges dismissed.
Starting point is 00:00:19 And it may be the case that that charge is bunk anyway. If that one is out, then there's literally no argument against Kyle Rittenhouse in any way. Clearly, it was self-defense. Many people on the left have even said, well, I shouldn't say many people, but some people on the left have actually admitted that it was self-defense or at least begrudgingly said it was some kind of conflict. Although the left is adamant about locking this guy up, in my opinion, if this gun charge
Starting point is 00:00:43 goes out, I'm not a lawyer. We'll talk to one. But it seems like the only way he'd actually get convicted at this point is if it's political, which very well may be the case. But I've heard arguments from conservatives. The gun charge was the one that made sense. Now it may actually be it may be out. We'll see how politics plays a role in this. But joining us today is former lawyer for Kyle Rittenhouse, John Pierce, and you're also the founder of the NCLU. That's right, the National Constitutional Law Union, the NCLU, and that's ncu.com. And the best way to think of it is essentially the ACLU for the rest of us or what the ACLU used to say that it does. Yeah, isn't that sad? Yeah, no, it is. It's kind of, I mean, it's tragic, and there's a vacuum,
Starting point is 00:01:26 and that's why I stepped into it, because, you know, the only way that we protect our Constitution in the long run and get out of this sort of tyrannical downward spiral that we're in is to fight very hard for people whose constitutional rights are violated. And make no mistake, even though, you know, I'm a conservative, this is not a conservative organization. It is not a Republican organization. It's what the ACLU used to say that they did, which was to protect everyone's constitutional rights. And that's what we plan to do. Right on.
Starting point is 00:01:56 And we also have a lot to talk about in terms of January 6th as well. Yes, sir. So I believe that I represent by far most of the more January 6th defendants than any other lawyer in the country. I believe the count right now is at 13 and growing. There's a lot of folks that need help. And a lot to talk about on that case. We've got to go through all that stuff. That's important stuff. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:02:13 We've got Ian Gillen. Jeez, yeah. Hey, Ian Crossland, man. What's up? How you doing, Ian? Thanks for coming, man. Absolutely. And I do have to say congratulations to everyone on the Cassandra Fairbanks acquisition.
Starting point is 00:02:23 I consider Cassandra essentially the best journalist in the country right now. Amazing person. And she just does such great work. So it's amazing to see you all team up. Yeah, she's like literally, well, not literally a rock star, but very close. In my mind, she's there. I'll say this of Cassandra. On Twitter, she certainly is feisty.
Starting point is 00:02:43 But her reporting is top notch. It's straightforward. It is, I would say it's usually very straightforward and well-researched and well-sourced. Everything I see Cassandra write to me looks spot on. She is feisty on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:03:00 You kind of have to be feisty on Twitter when you get hit. You kind of have to hit back ten times harder or else you're going to get eaten up. So I kind of like it. Right on. Oh, yeah. I'm in the corner as well, as you have come to expect me to be. I'm very delighted because we have an air conditioner now,
Starting point is 00:03:13 and that means none of us are going to be shiny and sweating anymore. Yeah, the fans are gone. We got a special AC unit installed because we foolishly put the studio in the highest point of the house. The AC is working, for sure. Oh, it's amazing. And it's one of these ultra-quiet units. But we're moving into a new studio probably in the next month or so.
Starting point is 00:03:31 It's going to be way better. Yeah. The table's going to be attached to the ceiling. Still looks like you have a little bit of work to do, but it does look like it has a... They just started today. But yeah, the table's going to be attached to the ceiling. How about that?
Starting point is 00:03:42 I think it's very cool. Yeah. And if it falls, it makes for a great episode. It won't be able to fall. It'll be part of the ceiling. I guess ceilings typically don't fall. That's right. There's a secret room in there.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Is that right? No. What are you talking about? Oh, are you messing with me? What are you talking about, Ian? There's no secret room. Yeah, there wouldn't be a secret if that was the case. I know nothing about any such room.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I think we should rip the wall out and have it be double the size. Ian's talking about a small crawl space where the cat used to break into. Oh, yeah. I think Tim lied to me earlier today. No. What? Oh, I thought you were messing with me earlier. No, there's like a crawl space where the AC unit is the cat used to break into.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Yeah. Yeah, she used to come up here. All right, all right. Anyway. Tim, let's go deep. Don't forget, though. We are growing. Go to TimCast.com, become a member, and you can help support the very important journalism that we do here,
Starting point is 00:04:27 like this one where it says, Young Turks mocked as the shills for the establishment they are. If you're not a fan of the Young Turks, you'll probably appreciate that segment. But we're usually not that bombastic. But as John noted, we have Cassandra Fairbanks, who's writing articles. We just hired a ton of people. We have a bunch more writers. We're going to have a paranormal mysteries kind of unexplained show coming up with a new editor coming on to produce
Starting point is 00:04:49 that show. And as a member, you'll get access to that as well. But don't forget, you can also like this video right now. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. Let's jump into this first story. It's from Newsweek. Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer asked judge to dismiss charge he was too young to have a gun. Rittenhouse's attorney filed a motion asking the judge to dismiss the charge that he filed motions last week asking a judge to allow his evidence. Prosecutors said the video shows Rittenhouse hitting a teenage girl in the back of Kenosha's waterfront, but Richards argued the altercation is irrelevant to the case. Richards has similarly argued against prosecutors claiming Rittenhouse has an affiliation with the Proud Boys, which is a, I love how they just say this, is a far-right extremist group. yeah yeah whatever okay well we are we're hanging out with john pierce now you are
Starting point is 00:05:49 not a lawyer for uh rittenhouse anymore that is correct but you were telling me about this gun charges one of the reasons we want to talk about it you said it was it was total bs nonsense but not just just to give some people context who might not be familiar they're charging him with what with murder right uh there there are multiple homicide charges i mean it's been a while since i've looked at the you know the actual charges but yes for those that for whatever reason don't know what happened there were there were there was ongoing rioting in kenosha wisconsin kyle rittenhouse was there he had a rifle he was chased by some men uh we've actually had richie mcginnis witness actually we've had richie and a bunch of other people who are on the ground and witnesses to what happened. Richie laid out everything
Starting point is 00:06:28 experienced. Richie's actually the journalist who took off, he took off his shirt, right? Trying to render aid to one of the guys who got shot. He watched it all. And the gist of the story was that several of the riders had set a dumpster on fire, were pushing it towards a gas station. Kyle or someone from his group put the fire out, enraging many of the riders. Kyle was chased. As he was running away, he heard a gunshot because a man standing in the street fired a gun. Actually, initially, people thought the gun was fired up into the air. But there are some reports now there's actually fired towards them. Either way, Kyle hears the shot, turns around.
Starting point is 00:07:00 When this guy lunges for his gun, Kyle fires in self-defense. The guy goes down. Kyle then runs to go get help. He's chased by someone saying, what happened? He says, I'm going to get the police. Someone yells something about, get him. That's the guy. He's then chased, knocked to the ground.
Starting point is 00:07:16 And some guy runs up with a skateboard, tries to grab the gun. And Kyle fires upward and it goes into his heart. That guy goes down. He's dead. Well, he hit him in the skull with the skateboard, which right then could have killed Kyle, first of all. So the guy with the board actually, yeah. Right here with the sharp edge of the skateboard. He was under full-scale assault the entire time.
Starting point is 00:07:35 And the next guy who came up had a gun. Absolutely. He had a gun and tried grabbing the gun from Kyle and took 223 to the bicep. I believe it was his right bicep. It was his right bicep. And it vaporized. He had a Gck that he was about literally a half a second from bringing down to execute kyle while kyle was sitting on the street kyle simply fired that
Starting point is 00:07:55 shot a half a second before he got executed by wow by that person the guy was holding the gun and you know the guy actually said uh i want to be careful here because of the litigation around this but my understanding i could be wrong he actually said that he should have shot him like later in an activist rally said something that effect i i think i mean i think it was at at his hospital room and he was talking to one of his friends he said something the fact that his only regret was that he didn't uh shoot him and empty his entire magazine into go that right there kyle was uh he was a local resident people say he crossed state lines yeah what he lived what 20 miles away it's a suburb he literally lived right across there yes he worked
Starting point is 00:08:31 in the kenosha area he worked in kenosha and he was and he was there the night before he didn't he did not cross state lines with any weapon that's right right so what ends up happening now is you have the left saying he killed these activists he was hunting them down he's a white supremacist it's absurd it's absurd and anybody who goes to the evidence knows it's not true. But there were many conservatives saying, well, but he wasn't supposed to have a gun. He's underage. Now we're hearing that the current lawyers want to get that dismissed, and you're saying it was BS anyway, so let's break that down. What do you mean by that?
Starting point is 00:08:57 That charge is absolute nonsense. Mark Richards is a terrific lawyer. I'm proud to say that I'm the one that got him kind of retained on that case. He's doing a great job. He will do a great job. Wisconsin is an open carry state. The type of AR-15 that Kyle had that night, which is a long barrel AR-15, is completely legal in that state. It's legal for Kyle to have had possession of it at that age.
Starting point is 00:09:34 If that rifle had been shorter, potentially there may have been an argument under that statute that there's an issue. Also, if I recall correctly, there's a very strong argument, and I think Mark made it in his motion, that that statute relates to various sort of hunting regulations that have nothing to do with that case, that charge should be dismissed. It never should have been brought. None of these charges should have been brought. But that charge should go away. Mark Richards is absolutely correct that that charge should be dismissed. It was interesting seeing even a lot of conservatives on Twitter mentioning that maybe, you know, some people said he shouldn't have had the gun and they're going to get him because if
Starting point is 00:10:04 in the process of committing one crime someone dies, you get charged for that. And then people said you're allowed – even if you're not allowed to have the gun, picking up a gun in self-defense or having one in self-defense is exempt. There's a lot of arguments about it, but I guess none of it matters because the law itself doesn't even apply to what Kyle was doing. That law does not apply to that weapon. It does not apply in the context of what happened. The charge should not have been brought. This is a totally, totally political persecution. It's not even close.
Starting point is 00:10:31 It's not even close. This case needs to be dropped. If somehow, some way, these political Soros-funded prosecutors in Kenosha, Wisconsin, get some kind of conviction against Kyle Rittenhouse, it will be a travesty and it will go a long way towards eviscerating the right of self-defense that all of us have. I agree. Now, I've said in the past, though, I mean, so this looks like any rational argument that a reasonable person might presume is out the window. We had a leftist on who said he actually, this guy Destiny he got suspect he got kicked out of the twitch partner program for saying that it was the clearest case of self-defense he had ever seen and this is a leftist who said this i mean this is a guy we had in here and he was defending
Starting point is 00:11:14 critical race theory and social justice and all stuff we clearly disagreed but he was like oh come on we've all if you're being honest you saw the video you know it was self-defense it's in it's in fact virtually a perfect case of self-defense because on every element of self-defense, it's not just that he meets the standard. I mean, he exceeds it by orders of magnitude. Like he was running away? Like he was running away. Like people were trying to kill him at every moment.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Like they were trying to take his rifle and shoot him with it. Like the individual you mentioned literally had a glock in his hand that he was bringing down who later expressed it was his later desire to just unload into the guy and and someone fired first it's it's mind-blowing absolutely from behind him uh in in his direction they attempted to ambush him and and and when kyle, Joseph Rosenbaum was coming at him at full speed and was literally right on top of him, lunging for the barrel of the weapon, as Richie has noted. This is crazy. How did it end up that he's being charged with these things?
Starting point is 00:12:18 I mean, look, this is why the George Soros of the world are very, very dangerous. Prosecutors, local and federal, have extraordinary discretion. George Soros, for all of his flaws, is no idiot. And he has gone a long way in places like Philadelphia and Los Angeles with this Gascon guy out there. Isn't Chesa Bowden as well? I believe that's right. Jim Fox. Yeah, it's it's it's a very, very dangerous. I mean, physically dangerous thing for the citizens of these cities, because these because
Starting point is 00:12:50 they are essentially choosing outright and announcing that they're not going to be prosecuting all manner of crimes. I mean, for example, in San Francisco, and you know, California, essentially, they've said they will not prosecute shoplifting crimes if it's a value of under like $900. I mean, so you see the Neiman Marcus video. I did not. It's just like 10 people running out of the building full speed, carrying stacks of stuff. That's $9,000 worth without prosecution. Maybe you can call it a conspiracy, but no one's enforcing it.
Starting point is 00:13:17 There's another video that just started going viral where it's people walking and filling up bags casually with no masks on, just filling them up and then just walking out the door. It's not rocket science to anticipate the impact that these sorts of policies and these sorts of prosecutors will have on the complete breakdown of law and order in these cities. And it's happening. And regular Americans see that it's happening. And the left may underestimate regular Americans, but I believe they're going to get punished severely at the ballot box as a result of this. Now, after Chauvin, I said, Kyle's going to get life.
Starting point is 00:13:53 That's what I said. After I watched what happened with Chauvin, because you had a few very important points there, that the defense tried getting the venue changed because of the riots, and the judge said, everybody in Minnesota knows who this guy is. There's no venue where he can go. And that, to me, is astounding because it was an admission that there would be no fair trial, in which case, case is dismissed, free to go, because we don't lock people up unless they get a fair trial, unless we go through due process. When that happened, then you saw the jurors being led into the courthouse with armed men to protect them from the extremists that have been attacking Brooklyn Heights. I think it was Brooklyn Center. Brooklyn Center. Yeah. Clearly, these people were being influenced and they even admitted it after the fact,
Starting point is 00:14:34 saying that they were scared. Well, you had Maxine Waters show up right in the middle of it, you know, demanding that everything continued to burn if there wasn't the quote unquote right verdict. You had Joe Biden, who's wasn't the quote-unquote right verdict. You had Joe Biden, who's advocating for the quote-unquote correct or right verdict, and his excuse was that, well, jury deliberations had started, so therefore they're sequestered, so that won't impact things. These are things that are fundamental. I mean, the criminal and civil jury system in the United States is so fundamental to our freedoms.
Starting point is 00:15:06 It goes back to the Magna Carta, et cetera. The jury is the, along with sheriffs at different times and different circumstances, the jury is the last bastion of protection for people who are wrongfully charged. Look, I will say I'm a jury trial lawyer. That's what I do. I have immense faith in juries. That Chauvin trial was very concerning. But Kyle is totally innocent, and I have complete faith that that jury is going to find it the right way.
Starting point is 00:15:36 But you think – there's going to be riots. The jury is going to be sitting there staring, saying, who wants to be the martyr? They're going to say, not me. I have complete faith that that jury is going to come sitting there staring, saying, who wants to be the martyr? They're going to say, not me. I have complete faith that that jury is going to come back with the right verdict. The case is so clear. I don't see, and I don't see a Wisconsin, an American jury coming back with any other result. You know, the big difference between that and Chauvin is, with Chauvin, there was big arguments about the amount of force, whether or not Chauvin should have kept his knee on his back or neck or whichever you perceived it as, that he should have rendered aid immediately when Floyd stopped moving. So there's arguments.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Well, look, of course, with Chauvin, you have the 800-pound gorilla of the nine-minute video that is shown over and over and over again, right? That's an extremely tough video. It's a tough video to watch, and it's a tough piece of evidence to overcome. Kind of the converse I think you have with Kyle, which is it's probably the first criminal trial in history where it's literally as if you were watching the Super Bowl and there were 100 different angles of high-definition video of everything that was happening that you can sync up.
Starting point is 00:16:46 There is simply no way around the conclusion that there was 100 percent perfect self-defense. Yeah, but you could still get a jury that just says, I'm not falling on that sword. I have complete faith in Mark Richardson and that jury. All right, all right. I think it will be particularly interesting. But let's jump to this next subject january 6th because you know we're talking about george floyd somebody tweeted something about conservatives and the double standard there was some conservative who said something about you know why don't we know who
Starting point is 00:17:15 killed ashley babbitt we should have this information released immediately with george floyd we got this big show trial in the press and then someone said like how are conservatives not understanding you know the the differences between george floyd and ashley babbitt they were like it's a double standard that they don't care about floyd but they only care about her because they're racist and i said ashley babbitt wasn't chewing on a speedball behind the wheel of a car and then actively resisting police like i'm not saying that you know george floyd deserved or any of that should have happened but ashley babbitt stood up and looked through a window and took a bullet to the neck, right? So look, I mean, there are some,
Starting point is 00:17:49 so first of all, I pray for Ashley Babbitt's family and I pray for them to obtain the justice that they deserve. There's all kinds of strange things going on with everything related to January 6th. So specifically with respect to what you just mentioned, you know, was she shot in the stomach? Was she shot in the shoulder? Was she shot in the neck? There are basically three different stories that have come out, you know, from the medical examiner, from the media, etc. You know, the chief of the Capitol Police who either resigned or was ousted a couple days after the event, a few weeks after his his
Starting point is 00:18:27 firing or his resignation wrote a eight-page letter i think his name is steven sunland wrote an eight-page letter to nancy pelosi essentially you know writing about what happened that day and sort of an act after action review um there is no mention whatsoever of the ashley babbitt shooting in that letter whatsoever i mean mean, why is that? How is that possible? I mean, so, yeah. Now, as to the, but I will say, look, the truth is going to come out about everything that happened on January 6th.
Starting point is 00:18:57 It is going to take some time, but the true January 6th commission is going to be what happens in those Article III federal courtrooms whenever we try these cases. I represent 13 of these people, and I will tell you that we are taking every single one of these cases to trial. We are going to expose exactly what happened that day, how it happened, who's behind what happened, et cetera. etc. With respect to the double standard obviously I need to be a little bit circumspect about the way I talk about the particular cases that I'm a lawyer in and juries will decide the outcome of those cases. But what a lot of Americans are saying and I think it's undeniable and it's self-evident is that
Starting point is 00:19:39 where are the pre-dawn raids to round up the hundreds and hundreds of people, the Antifa folks who burned down Kenosha and Portland and Minneapolis and Los Angeles and in effect held a federal courthouse under siege in Portland for over 100 days, including attempting, not very effectively, but attempting to burn it down. Well, they broke in several times. They used some kind of welding tool to cut through the locks. Yeah, and they tried to burn it down when human beings were inside.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Yep. Okay. So, you know, we have pre-dawn raids with AR-15s where there are three-year-olds in the house, you know, with folks like, you know, 73-year-old pastors who are Vietnam veterans with no criminal record. Where is the priority to protect regular American cities? And I think that it's just self-evident, and a lot of Americans see, that there seems to be a dual standard of justice right now. And think about how dangerous they think that is. A fundamental precept of the American system, the American idea, the American Constitution,
Starting point is 00:20:44 is that there is equal justice under the law when the faith in that idea uh starts to crumble and in fact i would say starts to be shattered as it is right now that's a very very dangerous thing for a free society and a constitutional republic to hold together very long i watch rich people just walk on on law i mean when hillary clinton's email scandal dropped she was a secretary of state and was involved in getting Sidney Blumenthal in Libya. Like some of the most criminal actions of getting us into a war in Libya directly against Obama's direct order that she can't work with Sidney Blumenthal. She worked with them anyway. Like she destroyed public records and got away with it.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Classified. Including classified. So equal protection under the law. I'm sorry, it was something about yoga or whatever. Yeah, they were talking about yoga at birthday parties. And of course, as you probably noticed, the journalist who essentially broke the story of Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill on the tarmac
Starting point is 00:21:36 has been suicided. Well, the journalist who broke the story, this one, I don't think, people know, people look too much into this. There was an anchor. He reported the story. He wrote on that story for years. He wrote a book about it. I don't look too much into that.
Starting point is 00:21:57 It doesn't make sense for me. That would be a conspiracy in any way. I think sometimes people, you know what I think? We talked about this on the show. Here's a guy who breaks the story, turns out to be one of the biggest stories he then rides on that for a year or so telling everybody oh i'm the guy who reported but he's just a guy who talked on tv about it you know he writes a book about it he then does a book tour about it two years go by dude's got nothing left i i i think i don't think there's like we're gonna wait six years and then
Starting point is 00:22:22 retaliate against him no i think it's a guy who almost touched the sky and then with all due respect to his family. It's a sad story. But I just don't see it. Obviously, I have no firsthand knowledge about it. I just do know there is a lengthy count of deaths and suicides in the Clinton past. I think that's all exaggerated. I've looked through so much of this, this idea of the Clinton stuff, and there's a bunch of memes. And I'm like, there was one where it was like an accountant at a firm that once worked with the Clintons.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I'm like, come on, dude. The firm's got 3,000 employees or whatever. People really stretch it. You know, what you've got to be careful of is the confirmation bias in that this guy reported a story like six years ago, and then what are we supposed to assume that the Clintons, like, in six years' time, will get our revenge and expose ourselves to massive risk for no reason?
Starting point is 00:23:13 A bunch of these stories that come out about the Clintons are like strange, circuitous connections that I think are just silly. But the email thing is not. The email thing's legit. That's a blatant crime. It was a crime that she committed that she wasn't charged for. And Loretta Lynch was basically investigating that, right?
Starting point is 00:23:31 She was in charge. She was what, the Attorney General or something at the time? And then Bill Clinton went and met with her and had a conversation off the record that people could see happening. And then the charges got dropped. Is that what it was? Or the investigation didn't go forward? Yeah, that's right. I mean, you know, James Comey held a very sort of famous or infamous, you know, press conference in which he went through sort of, you know, 15 minutes of talking about, you know, how sort of reckless and negligent and bad this was about the emails.
Starting point is 00:23:56 And then sort of surprisingly at the end, sort of dropped the bomb that, you know, it didn't rise to the level of her being prosecuted or whatever. But that's not something that FBI directors do. They have an investigation. They make a recommendation to the Department of Justice as to the evidence, and then that proceeds. That was odd, to say the least. Oh, yeah. I mean, 2016 was one heck of a weird year.
Starting point is 00:24:22 It's like reality just broke. A lot of people like to mention that the CERN Large Hadron Collider went off. Right. And then we get the whole universe is in disarray. But I want to mention something, too. A lot of people don't understand. I think there's a lot of people who want to believe in a lot of conspiracies. You'll see a meme photo and they'll list a bunch of names and then draw lines and connect them. Okay. I actually go through those names and I look up the records of the individual where they worked
Starting point is 00:24:48 and i've looked into a lot of those memes and i'm like it's just you could you could draw this you could do that to almost any any person in a high profile position there's this new one going around where um the san francisco gay men's choir they recorded this video where they said we're coming for your children and it's a creepy creepy video. I think it's really creepy and purposefully antagonistic, like to an extreme degree, where they started getting serious hate. They took the video down. But 4chan's coming out and digging up their names from the choir and then connecting them to the sex offender list. I also started, I was like, okay, let's see if some of these things are true and they do these
Starting point is 00:25:25 memes they show the name they connect the line and then i these it's just it's it it's not legitimate it's it's it's it's not real uh far be it for me to say that fortune's got it wrong but they certainly don't have enough evidence yet you know so you got to be careful about these these meme things that go around because i've tried to dig up stuff on this and it's just not there look i i look i used to be you know one of these these people that whenever you would watch the Oliver Stone movie, JFK, I'd think, well, that's interesting, but I mean, come on. Was there really anybody else besides Lee Harvey Oswald? I will just tell you that in light of the litigations I have been involved in in the past four to five years with
Starting point is 00:26:06 respect to representing George Papadopoulos and Carter Page and Rudy Giuliani and Tulsi and Kyle and now January 6th, there's a lot of narratives that turn out to be just completely and totally fake, and they end up being just destroyed after a period of three or four months, whether it be sort of the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. Exactly. Or they're – Well, those are conspiracy theories too. That's a thing.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Yeah. Unless you have the hard evidence that you can put out and you can definitively draw those lines. I just say, okay, yeah, whatever. Yeah. In light of the things that I am learning as a lawyer, probably most involved in the January 6th cases, and again, we'll let juries decide what happened there. There are just a lot of questions. With respect to Ashley Babbitt, we still don't know the name of the individual who fired on her, who shot her. Well, I mean, some people think that they know.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I've seen allegations, but nothing's been confirmed. No, that's right. I mean, they have not officially named the person who fired that shot. And why is that? I mean, where's the explanation for why that is? I would say because as political, imprisonment is a type of thing, so is political protection. Yeah, and the issue the issue is look the issue well and the issue is if this was kind of you know look just i mean imagine i think i mean if it was converse
Starting point is 00:27:35 uh in terms of the politics um oh i don't think i don't i don't think that um you know that guy would be like yeah strung up in dcC. Exactly. That name would not be... His house would be burnt to the ground, his business. Paraded. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they go after him like crazy. I mean, there was a report from the New York Times where they went...
Starting point is 00:27:57 The Portland rioters, where they're marching around, stopped at some guy's house and then started yelling at him for him to come out. They threatened to burn down his home for simply waving an american flag so of course we know if there was a bunch of you know uh let's just call them pink hats like that when they shut down the the congressional building that one time they occupied or when they're banging on the doors of the supreme court well that's the door open if one of them took a hit yeah well it's also it's also like uh look at the brett kavanaughugh confirmation hearings. Right. Banging on the doors.
Starting point is 00:28:28 They were trying to shut down that. They were trying to shut down that. Insurrection. And let me touch on the insurrection idea. Okay, because just from a legal standpoint and a factual standpoint, I mean, that is nonsense. Well, it is. I mean, hear me out, which is just that that's an actual crime. I mean, insurrection's a crime. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:47 And you can be sure. Can you be charged with insurrection? Absolutely. And none of them have been charged with insurrection? Zero. Oh, okay. Such ridiculous theory, man. So you can be sure that if the federal prosecutors felt like
Starting point is 00:29:01 the elements of the crime of insurrection were met, I'm confident out of 550 cases and counting, probably up to close to a thousand at some point there would be some such charge for those that are listening and not watching because we do the podcast uh john held up a zero so yeah just none none uh you know we saw the capitol police they're expanding nationally i saw that i've heard some other rumors too but uh just for now it's like they're gonna have a couple offices i have. I have a soft prediction in that I think once they get all of the people who are actually in
Starting point is 00:29:29 the Capitol, they're going to go after material support. They're going to be like, our mission isn't over. We've got to track down these extremists who are providing material support for these individuals who engage in insurrection, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't seem right now like there is much of an end in sight for a little while there.
Starting point is 00:29:45 It felt like, and I'm not sure if I felt like I heard this from the DOJ or from a prosecutor at a public hearing, but it kind of felt like they were preparing to wind down with respect to rounding folks up, that they might charge another 100 or so folks. There might be 550, 600 that are charged. It seems like they're almost reinvigorated right now with respect to, you know... They need this. They absolutely need this.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Well, look, the country's obviously... The country's not going, you know, very well with respect to, you know, inflation and with respect to foreign policy and with respect to all kinds of things. So, you know, there's a narrative that... We got an election year coming. We do.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Republicans are predicted by many to sweep. I mean, I think even 538 is already saying Republicans are expected to take control of the House. I mean, I would be. I'm not an expert. Then they'll impeach Biden. No, they won't. We don't want Republicans. I'm not an expert political analyst.
Starting point is 00:30:39 But look, I mean, the regular people in the middle of this country see what's going on on every front. They all want a basic degree of law and order. They all don't want to see their gas prices go up to $10 or whatever it might go up to. They all want to feel like we do not live in a authoritarian surveillance state. And so I believe it's going to be a huge red wave in 2022. Do you think the Republicans should impeach Joe Biden? Wasn't it Marjorie Taylor Greene? She was like she introduced a bill to impeach him already.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Yeah, you know, I think it would be reckless to say at this point. I mean, here's the thing that's happening. It's bad in the last several years in this country. And this is what brought down the Roman Republic for sure, is the weaponization of criminal law to attack political opponents.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Because what happens is that becomes a vicious, vicious cycle that descends into violence and retribution very quickly. Because the political pendulum will swing naturally. What's the inverse? Ifans don't fight back then basically democrats just keep wielding power unethically republicans have to fight back and
Starting point is 00:31:55 they you know metaphorically they have to fight back and they have to fight back you know extremely hard on on every front um but but but i in in politics is a, you know, again, metaphorically, politics is a street fight, you know, and and and they have to be tough. But, you know, I'm I'm I'm a lawyer. I'm a huge believer in the rule of law. I in a proper way because if it just goes back and forth with everybody just tossing out the Constitution and just using every possible weapon to destroy their political opponent, I mean there will be no end to it. Joe Biden lied about being involved in business dealings with his son. Oh, I know. Oh, I'm no fan. I'm no fan. There's photos of it. I'm no I'm no fan.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I'm no fan of Joe Biden whatsoever. There are photos of Joe Biden standing with Hunter Biden's business partners from Mexico. There's the communications. There's the witnesses. This is well above and beyond. Oh, actually, we can't enter this period where we're like, you know, we have evidence that Joe Biden lied and was engaging in selling his name and power. But we're not going to impeach him because then we'd look like the Democrats for what they did to Trump unjustly.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Yeah, no, and make no mistake. When I say, you know, sitting here right now for me to advocate impeachment might be a little bit reckless. What I'm saying is, you know, I haven't taken the time to look, you know, to look at the, you know, the hard drive and to look at the actual evidence. Obviously, I've heard a lot about that. And if the things that seem to be on the hard drive are accurate, which they seem to be, then yes, impeachment would absolutely be appropriate. It's 100%. Matt Taibbi dug into the Ukraine stuff. There were multiple, I think at least a dozen, criminal investigations into Mykola Zaslavsky and Burisma.
Starting point is 00:33:47 And Joe Biden got them shut down tit for tat. If you want the money, you shut this down. The billion dollars. They absolutely were going after Biden's interests. We know because of – what was the name of the confidant for the Biden family guy who came out? I don't remember his name. Oh, God. Guglielmo.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah. Matt. What was his name? Some weird name. Bubliano or Guglielmo. Yeah. Matt. What was his name? Some weird name. Bubliano or Guglielmo. Yeah. Bubliano or something like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:10 This confidant comes out and says. And he seemed extremely credible, by the way. Yeah. But outside of that, because obviously I can't remember the guy's name, I'll discount that bit of evidence. But when I was covering a lot of this, I was looking at international news sources. I was fact-checking. I was looking at all of it. It is beyond a reasonable doubt. Zlotchevsky flees the country. There's an
Starting point is 00:34:28 investigation to him. Biden says we got to get a new prosecutor because that one's corrupt. And he wasn't going after the corruption. The new prosecutor comes in. Burisma guy comes back to Ukraine. Investigation's over. You're free to go. Your money's been unlocked. Don't worry. Papa Biden came in and saved your butt. Donald Trump gets in dude flees to monaco it's like you got to be a special kind of dumb or liar so so so we look at what what donald trump was accused of please investigate this crime we must impeach him they impeach him over it yeah now we actually see the photographs because of the laptop where joe biden is standing with his son's business partners what did he say to us i have never talked to my son about any of this stuff it is beyond a reasonable doubt based on the investigations that i've done and there's still so much more evidence
Starting point is 00:35:15 from that laptop that has not been released i think republicans should first thing they should do is they can get in impeach the guy and then let it all lay out in in court if if i if i'm in congress in 2022 i think you know there would be a very favorable ear um um coming you know from from me on that front um uh so matt taibbi's no conservative you know and he wrote he wrote it he did he investigated this and he said the claims that there were no investigation of this are just wrong like none of these people actually did any legwork no it, it's obvious. What did Twitter do with the laptop store? Well, that's where I was going to kind of go with this. They're obviously lying.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Well, look, it's to the point where I think it's criminal conspiracy that the big tech companies are involved in, likely with foreign powers, to decide to just cover these things up. I mean, for them to make the New York Post story about the laptop just go completely dark for whatever it was, a couple of weeks or a month before the election. A couple of weeks after. Yeah. I mean, what is that other than blatant interference with the what if it was domestic uh that they're colluding with domestic powers would that also be criminal or is that legal then because it's american cia or whatever
Starting point is 00:36:34 i gotta tell you it's not my it's not uh my field of expertise with respect to the law or anything but what it but what it certainly it like it's got it's got to it's got to be in violation of some uh federal criminal statute for uh you know to intentionally try to cover some of that stuff up. Actually, as I speak out loud about it, I think one legal theory that has started to come to the fore, which I think is probably a are – and again, I'm not a campaign finance expert. But certainly what it seems to be is them providing an in-kind contribution to the campaign that I assure you was probably not reported and it was probably worth it. I think it would be more criminal. Suppression is different from promotion. If they're promoting an
Starting point is 00:37:25 ad about biden for free then you can argue they're giving them an in-kind donation suppressing negative news that's something else that is causing i mean you've got some civil torts there i suppose with harming the new york post under false pretenses and defaming the new york post what the new york post should have sued for defamation when they said it was hacked materials. And the Post said repeatedly it was not hacked. They absolutely should have. And obviously, you know. They still can, right?
Starting point is 00:37:53 It's not been that long. Yeah. What's the statute of limitations? It differs by jurisdiction. Sometimes it's a year or sometimes it's two years. They still got time. It's certainly at least a year. But, you know, like we talked about, talked about, people like James O'Keefe
Starting point is 00:38:05 have started to step up and start to sue these companies. Look, it's got to be those big organizations that have resources to do it because regular Americans can't do it. All right, so here's what we need. New York Post, why aren't you filing defamation against Facebook and Twitter for claiming that the materials you had
Starting point is 00:38:21 were hacked even though you stated several times they were not hacked materials. They lied to the public and they used it as a pretext to cause harm to your business. You've got clear damages in the amount of views you lost based on the size of the story and the percentage of suppression on the story. If they said they're suppressing it, file some kind of suit against them. Go to discovery.
Starting point is 00:38:44 I want to see their algorithms i want to know what percentage you are suppressed hey make that information public then we'll know how much money you lost then we'll actually have a claim against them or the people will actually get to see someone fighting back well the near post hasn't done that i don't know why the other thing is joe biden should be impeached just just bring it on republicans win in 2022 first day the first thing should happen they should rubber stamp that impeachment. Send it to the Senate. Hey, I'm not going to stand in the way of Joe Biden impeachment. But, you know, they're going to love it.
Starting point is 00:39:10 They're going to be like, oh, no. Now Kamala Harris is president. There's that, too. You know, there's also the sort of. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens. Well, there's also, you know, the 25th Amendment lurking in the background. There's obvious health issues that are lurking in the background have you seen the photo of lori lightfoot meeting with biden i'm not sure that i've she's got this look on her face i'm just like like oh no and people
Starting point is 00:39:33 people some people were claiming like that look when you like people when people finally meet biden they realize this guy is broken like it's worse than we realize it and i think it's it seems to have accelerated um even since accelerated even since the inauguration. I mean he's over there traveling Europe. I think he was giving a speech before the British military, and it's like literally a sentence can't be put together. And that's – He was able to say true in and on a shop at a pressure. I mean that's a hard word for me to say.
Starting point is 00:40:02 What was the word again? True in and on a shop at a pressure. I had to try really hard to word for me to say. What was the word again? True in and on a shabba to pressure. I had to try really hard to figure out how to say that word. And then let alone write it down. He said it. He said true in and on a shabba to pressure. He also said bad a calf care. Perfectly.
Starting point is 00:40:16 True international something under pressure. I don't know. I'm going to have true in and on a shabba to pressure. I'd like to hear him rap. He could probably rap pretty well. No, no, but he could give Eminem a... True or not a shot with a pressure. He didn't say that intentionally.
Starting point is 00:40:33 That's the point. Except he wouldn't make it nine miles, right? Nine miles. If the New York Post went at Biden or sued Twitter, rather, and then it came out that actually the CIA instructed us to do this, so now would they have immunity? God, I mean, there's so many fundamental constitutional issues that it raises. If this national security state was involved in that, I don't even know where to begin. Isn't it true, though, that Democrats in California were telling Twitter who to ban?
Starting point is 00:41:07 Well, I have heard that story and I have to believe it's probably correct. You know, again, with some of these things, I'm so busy with some of these cases that, you know, I don't have time to do the same kind of research and really look at the raw data that might be useful. But it would shock me if that weren't the case. I have to pull it up because we talked about it before, but basically there were communications between Democrats saying like, hey, look at this, and then, oh, we'll get rid of it. Look, I think there's no doubt that – look, all of these things are are connected i mean i mean the radical left has overtaken you know essentially every major sort of institution in the country from academia to wall street to silicon valley to you know now um federal law enforcement federal law enforcement and and and was it mark milley oh that's chief of staff don't get me started i mean i love to get me get started that that was that was that was disgrace that was disgraceful um you know i as i mentioned to you before the
Starting point is 00:42:04 show i was i served in the first cavalry divisionalry Division in the mid-'90s, and I was airborne, and I'm extremely proud of that, and I love this country. For a four-star general to buy into this critical race theory garbage that is so toxic and so poisonous and is tearing this country apart. It's sickening. The United States military has one job, and one job only, that is to close with and destroy the enemies of the United States. You know, the most worrying thing to me about what Mark Milley said was that it shows we have a four-star general who is inept
Starting point is 00:42:39 and incapable of critical thought. So here's a guy who's supposed to be thinking and analyzing the battlefield and instructing. But that should not surprise you in the sense that in a peacetime military, when I say peacetime, I mean a peacetime military with respect to great power conflict. The best and the brightest of the officer corps
Starting point is 00:43:01 does not rise to the level of general. The best and the brightest of the officer corps does not rise to the level of general. The best and the brightest of the officer corps serves their four years honorably and then has the ability to go out and do some more creative, interesting things in the private sector. The people who rise to the level of general in a peacetime military, as we classically know from the Civil War, are not. They're political. They're PowerPoint. They do PowerPoint presentations for a living. Essentially, they do PowerPoint presentations for a living. Essentially, they do PowerPoint presentations for a living. So what happens if a war breaks out?
Starting point is 00:43:28 We have major, major, major problems. I mean, look, historically, again, go back to the Civil War. I mean, the Union had massive problems with terrible generals in the beginning of the Civil War. It's huge. And so, you know, now with this
Starting point is 00:43:44 sort of wokeness layered on top of it, look, there will be another major power conflict. It will probably be sooner rather than later because of the weakness we now portray to the to the world. And we're going to we're going to have a problem because of because of the sort of the wokeness in the Pentagon and the attempt to make it a social experiment, diversity engineering training program or whatever they're doing. It's bad. Yeah. It's bad. I mean, if China invades Taiwan tomorrow, and don't be surprised if it's not too, too
Starting point is 00:44:18 far away, let's hope they don't. But if they do, I mean, you know. Let's throw a little bit of Rome in there. Was there like a war conflict with Rome during their collapse? There was right. It was like barbarians, Julius Caesar. And you might know even more about this.
Starting point is 00:44:32 John was leading his troops up North and he'd basically conquered all of Gaul. He was returning as like the hero of Gaul and they were going to try and get him on political charges and put him away. That's right. So, so what happened? So what started happening in the Rome Republic is that when you were in Rome as a leader, you were immune to kind of lawfare. You were not allowed to do this thing where you just bring lawsuits and lawsuits and lawsuits. But once you were out of power, then they could do that to you, and they started to do that.
Starting point is 00:45:06 And Julius Caesar being seen as the threat that he was, and being outside of Roman territory, and at that point being a military leader, not a tribune or anything like that, he had the classic choice to make as to whether to cross the rubicon with his army um and and and he made that choice because you know he was he was facing you know he was facing political and probably physical extermination or he was going to win he's going to win or he's going to lose that was the thing about uh threatening to impeach and use political things to go after your political opponents that eventually one of them is going to snap and that's what caesar did he crossed the rubicon which is basically the the was it a wall or something that's a river it's a river i think it's more of a stream than a river but it's very famous
Starting point is 00:45:51 it's like um it protects it borders rome and it's symbolically you are not allowed to bring military troops beyond that that's correct that violates roman so but he did it he was like you know what it's either either i don't and they arrest me and they destroy me or i take control of the city that's right and look that's at a certain at a certain at a certain point when uh you know tyranny becomes extreme enough um it creates the the conditions you know for certain things to happen what if we're in the calm before the storm a lot of people thought that 2020 was the time at which trump was facing all these charges. So would he cross the Rubicon? The left is trying to claim that he did with January 6th, but he clearly did not.
Starting point is 00:46:31 But what if 2024 is when, you know, because maybe Trump said, look, we're going to run again. We'll run 2024 and we'll win. We're going to win back the House. We're going to run again. We'll win. But what if what happens if something happens and Trump doesn't win? We have social media. You can't take the capital.
Starting point is 00:46:46 That doesn't exist anymore. Our government is decentralized now. So there's no place to march troops into. It would have to be like some organized digital cyber. You'd have to shut down all communications. Takeover. Yeah, it would be crazy organized thing. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:47:02 I cannot see one guy doing that right now. Certainly 2024 is i mean we you know we used to say that 2016 was going to be one of the most important elections ever and in 2020 was going to be one of the most important elections ever 2024 is going to be extremely uh extremely uh high stakes um i i happen to believe that and i i like donald trump i'm a big big trump fan I hope that he runs again. I think he has unfinished business, and I think he can turn the country around. I personally believe he is going to win by such a massive margin in 2024 that we're not going to have issues, and I pray that that's the case.
Starting point is 00:47:39 I agree. I agree. At least for now. We'll see. It's very, very early on. It is. We're in one of the worst years for political shows. So this is for everybody who can understand.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I tell people like the year after the presidential election, it's just like your lowest traffic, lowest ad rates. It's brutal. Then you get the midterm, which everything improves. Then you get the campaign – the primary year for the presidential in 2023. So then it's like everything picks back up and boy our election year is great for political content but we're in that when that law so we have so much i think you're gonna have it i think you're gonna have a really good 2024 i don't think well for your show for you i'm not i'm i'm not entirely convinced i think people need to understand that 2016 was insane how insane it
Starting point is 00:48:19 was i was in san jose and i watched this mob outside a Trump rally chase down some 16-year-old kid attacking him. I saw a guy who got punched in the mouth because someone said he was a Trump supporter, but he was actually a Bernie supporter. I watched them shove an elderly couple in their late 60s to the ground, grab their MAGA hats, and set them on fire cheering. I watched a guy walking out going, yay, Trump. And a guy runs up with a bag and whacks him in the head with it. I filmed this video. It gets a million views in a day. That was, I think, 2015. That's how insane things were. Then we get 2020. Look at what happened with January 6th. At the very least, a riot at the
Starting point is 00:48:54 Capitol. Insane. And I keep telling people, I see no reason for this to de-escalate. Now you're getting the brunt of the federal government going after Trump supporters. Do you think people are sitting there just being like, well, it sucks, but I'm going to calm down? Or do you think they're being like, stop and leave me alone? Now I'll tell you, the funniest smear against me, the SPLC posted this tweet of mine where I said something like, I think we've passed the point of no return. The bridge has been, the nation has been so divided. We can never go back and civil war seems inevitable. And I was quoting a story. I was actually quote tweeting somebody. And the story said that like far right groups wear t-shirts
Starting point is 00:49:35 calling for a second civil war. So basically I'm like the news reported, these far right groups are driving around demanding civil war. And I'm like, feels like a civil war is going to happen. And they criticize me for it as if it was my idea. Listen, it's gotten so insane in this country. And right now we're in this low year. So it feels like everything's maybe chilled a little bit, but look what they're doing with the one six commission. Look what they're doing with setting up Capitol police offices. When we get into midterms and the Republicans are looking like they're going to win, the Democrats are going to start ripping their hair out and banging their faces on the wall, screaming at the top of their lungs. 2023, when Trump gets back up on stage and says, ladies and gentlemen, I am running for
Starting point is 00:50:12 president one more time. And everyone goes, screams, cheering, and they're throwing drinks in the air or whatever. The Democrats will start pulling their hair out again. It is going to be worse than we saw in 2016. It is going to be worse than we saw in 2016. It is going to be worse than we saw in 2020. I'm not entirely saying these things to be pessimistic. I'm saying there's going to be a conflict. Understand why. Maybe it will be like the scale of conflict. We don't know. But come on. I love this. I've talked about the potential for civil war. There's been a bunch of studies. Some national security experts, there was was a story i think it was in the atlantic said that they estimated between 35 and like 95 percent chance of a civil war in the united states and i thought that was insane it's like one to 99
Starting point is 00:50:52 percent chance no no it was because because there was uh like 16 people interviewed there was a wide range of what they thought but the average was something like 65 to 70 percent so then i have people say to me they're like so tim remember last year when you were saying that we were headed towards a civil war yeah what happened with that and i'm like a bunch of people rioted at the capitol and they go oh i'm like did you think that things calmed down since then so a few years ago and i was like man if this stuff keeps happening it's gonna get worse now we've got the one six stuff going on they're going after all these people.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Do you think that when they go after that little old granny where the cop holds the door open for her and threatens her, or how about when the feds went to that Alaska woman's house and kicked her door in or whatever? Is it the wrong person? Wrong person. Do you think regular people are sitting back like, this is fine? Or do you think people are being antagonized to the point
Starting point is 00:51:42 where their brains are going to explode? You made me think of that meme with a dog sitting in the house on fire going, this is fun. I totally agree that the level of intensity is being ratcheted up to a very dangerous extent. And I agree that it will continue to do so in the current course that we're on until 2024. So I totally agree with you that we're going to see, you know, we're going to see we're going to see the same kind of and probably more conflict during the election than we did in 2016 and 2020. I just believe and I hope and I pray that, you know, Trump wins by such a margin that, you know, it kind of puts everything –
Starting point is 00:52:25 A 49-state landslide. Hey, I really think it could be big. I think that, like you just said, I mean regular – I think the left terribly underestimates regular Americans, and I think when they think that they have an advantage, they press it and they overreach very much. But I've heard a lot – there's been a lot of historical comparisons. So obviously we're talking about Rome and crossing the Rubicon. But I mean, are there really that many similarities or is it just like a few things that people like to reference, right?
Starting point is 00:52:52 You talked about law fairs. You talk about – Oh, look. I mean, I think it's – I forget who it is. One of my second or third favorite podcaster after you, Dan Carlin has a podcast named Hardcore History. And it's really, you know, amazing. And he's, you know, big series on Rome, big series on Genghis Khan,
Starting point is 00:53:10 that he calls him, that I love, and Alexander the Great, who I'm a huge fan of. But he's fond of saying that, you know, history doesn't necessarily repeat, but it rhymes. And it rhymes because human nature, you know, is eternal. And, you know, there are trends and forces that change. There are individuals that rise to significance who have such a force of nature that they can alter things. So you can't say, hey, we're exactly in a situation that the Roman Republic is in,
Starting point is 00:53:41 and we're heading the exact same direction and outcome. But there are definite similarities for sure that we should draw lessons from and try to avoid certain areas. A lot of people have likened it to Weimar Germany. Some people have likened it... But some people have likened it to the Spanish Civil War. Look, I think the 1930s comparison
Starting point is 00:54:06 to the threat of the Third Reich is very apt in the following sense, which is, you know, and people are talking about this, some of them, but I don't think enough are. But I think that the Chinese Communist Party is an existentially dangerous threat to us
Starting point is 00:54:22 and to freedom in the world right now. I don't think we're paying enough attention to it. I don't think we've been serious enough about it. I think we need to completely decouple from China, and we need to isolate them and be building sort of an alliance of liberty that Steve Bannon, one of my other favorite podcasters, likes to say with nations like Japan and India and Australia, and we need to be preparing for things with respect to that.
Starting point is 00:54:45 One of the things about the German, how it reminds me of Weimar Germany, is the burning of the Reichstag, which happened right after Hitler got into power. I think it was 1933. The building, the Capitol Parliament building, burned down, and he blamed the communists. That was a false flag. Apparently, no one's been able to prove, and they've done the math, and they're like, there's no way one guy could light the whole building on fire. But it's an American conspiracy theory.
Starting point is 00:55:06 So theories have arrived that he burned his own Reichstag down and then used that as a reason to lock down the entire country and start stripping them of their civil rights. What was the special security bill that was passed because of that? The appeasement act? Is that what it's – no, no. The – An act that was passed to injure me? It's on the tip of my tongue. It starts with an A. You got it. Yeah, yeah me I The It's on the tip of my tongue You got it
Starting point is 00:55:26 Yeah yeah yeah It's on the tip of my tongue I don't know the answer Abeling act Yep The enabling act That's what it was Ah it was so close
Starting point is 00:55:32 Abeling Enabling act The enabling act What a nice benign name Yeah sounds good That was his excuse He's like we need more power We need to start arresting people
Starting point is 00:55:42 And We're watching similar things And it's now Like you said It doesn't repeat It rhymes A start arresting people. And we're watching similar things. And it's now, like you said, it doesn't repeat. It rhymes. A lot of people come out and they're like, oh, Nazi Germany. I'm like, look, it's going to be different, but it's going to be similar in a lot of ways. What are we seeing?
Starting point is 00:55:57 We have an ideological faction demands purity. They are racial identitarians. They want law based on race and they're indoctrinating children. A lot of similarities there. then one six you've got i don't even like saying one six makes it sound like 9-11 but like this this thing i don't know that it was a false flag i've heard that there were police officers involved with letting people into the building that's a fact that's a fact that is a fact so that is a fact i have one i have one client named alan hostetter uh you know, former police chief from Orange County,
Starting point is 00:56:25 and he might be someone you want to have on the show someday to talk all about this because he's happy to talk all about it. But he is an individual who seems to have had federal agents around him for a long time leading up to January 6th. And so there are serious questions. There's numerous videos where the police open the door to allow people in. In one video, a cop says... They were urging people. Sometimes they were letting people in.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Sometimes they were urging people. Cops are taking selfies with people. They're like, hey. In one video, a cop says, don't agree with it, but I agree with your right to protest. As people walk past them waving. So it could have been just mass disorganization. Or it could have been intentionally like, hey, we can use this as an excuse to impose a lockdown.
Starting point is 00:57:09 I think y'all are missing the bigger picture. The police were in on it. Each and every one of those Capitol Police officers were like, we're going to let all of our Trump MAGA friends in the building. So each and every one of these cops, why aren't they being investigated? Why aren't they being indicted? So I will tell you, we're going to put a lot of Capitol Police officers on the witness stand when we try these cases. Why did you open the door for these people?
Starting point is 00:57:33 That's a pretty good cross-examination question, too. Yeah. It really is. Does the jury hear that question? What's it going to say? Here's a video of you opening the door and letting them in. I wanted to avert a riot. That's what I would have said.
Starting point is 00:57:43 I wanted to avert a riot, so I let them in so they didn't smash me up at the gate. Okay, is it trespassing? Not if I let them in. Haven't you seen the episode of Simpsons where I think it's Wiggum or someone tells Homer that if someone enters your property, you can kill them, and he goes,
Starting point is 00:57:58 hey, Flanders. I think it doesn't work if you invite them in. He's like, aw. Right, what if you... That does create an analytical legal problem for the prosecution. What if you invite them in. He's like, aw. Right. What if you... That does create an analytical legal problem for the press. What if you invite them in under duress? What does that mean? Meaning that you fear for your life, so you let them pass.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Like someone... You're like three levels into the movie Inception. Yeah. So I'm the cop, and it's not that I'm like, hey, come over here and go in. I'm like, these people are going to break me up. If someone is at the front of your building and they have like weapons and they're threatening you and so you're scared and you open your door, then I understand. In these videos, quite literally, it's a bunch of old people doting about, waving little American flags, and the police just open the door up, stand aside and say, don't agree with it, but agree with your right to protest as people walk in. There's another video where the cop literally opens the door and one cop poses for a selfie
Starting point is 00:58:47 with people. Like, dude, you're not going to tell me that's the rest. Now, I think those cops got in trouble, right? The selfie cops? I don't know the answer to that question. Yeah. I do know there's another video that just came out that appears to show folks sort of frantically changing into, you know, different attire, sort of better trees.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Yeah, I've seen that. There's a video where one of the first breaches in the building, they were all in black clad, blackout gear to obscure who they were and their identities. And that's not a typical thing of Trump supporters. That certainly is not. But there were a bunch of Trump supporters who said they were going to dress like Antifa. The key thing is, and again, I have to discipline myself to be careful about talking about the merits of these cases, but the important thing is, where's the video?
Starting point is 00:59:32 Where's the 14,000 or 15,000 hours of video? Now, to be fair, the Department of Justice and the prosecutors say, and I believe that they are in the process of setting up sort of a massive sort of database in the cloud that will have all that video that will allow defense counsel, you know, to to to search through it. That is still going to take a long time to get set up. And it's going to take a massive amount of time to review all of that because we need we need to review all of it to understand what happened that day. I also believe we should be seeing some video from before and after that day. I mean, why is it just relevant? What the video shows for January 6th, January 5th, and January 7th.
Starting point is 01:00:21 I think it's important to point out there were violent people, lots of them. There's a lot of video that's ridiculous. There are people from the barricades out, storming up and ramming police. We had Richie McGinnis, I think. This guy's everywhere. He really is. He was actually squeezed in between rioters shoving against these cops and one cop's like screaming as he's
Starting point is 01:00:37 being crushed. So all that stuff definitely happened. Now the problem is, the Democrats on the left show that. And they say, look, look, look, look, look. And I think it is partially a problem that many on the right are just like showing the cops opening doors. Let's talk about all of it. There were bad. There were people there engaged in very bad activities.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Right. But there are a lot of people who are being charged when they were essentially welcomed into the building, confused and understanding what was going on. That is just that is just accurate. What you just said. And, you know, very interestingly, and I'm i'm not a fan of fbi director christopher ray i mean when christopher ray was asked uh you know questions by i forget which republican congressman it was and asked um hey um constituents in my district are wondering about these people who were you know uh ushered into the building and uh that they're being um charged you know
Starting point is 01:01:23 how many people are there like that? And in classic Christopher Wray fashion, he dodged and ducked and prevaricated and simply would not go there and would not even remotely answer the question. Because it's political. It's for power. Never let a good crisis go to waste. That is one of the tried and true tactics of all time
Starting point is 01:01:44 with respect to taking over no i don't i don't think the riot is on par with like the burning of you know the reichstag or whatever nothing really got destroyed did it they burned down the building didn't they no no in uh on january 6th there was some there was some actual historical uh artifacts that took some damage when they when windows got broken in there was like an old bookshelf or something they burned the entire reichstag i don't think anyone died during that. Yeah, so it doesn't really matter, though, because there was something symbolically destroyed.
Starting point is 01:02:11 It was the normal process by which they certified the electoral votes. So that process is shocking to people. It wasn't a physical destruction. It was more of a metaphysical, you know, abstract. Oh, they interrupted the process, yeah. Yeah, and so it feels like an attack on the structures of the country is abstract. There's actually an interesting legal issue on that front, which we filed some motions on in our cases, which is that it is actually unclear under the existing case law as to whether or not that process that day, the certification of the electoral votes actually qualifies as legally and technically an official proceeding as that is interpreted under the case law,
Starting point is 01:02:52 because those have to have a sort of a quasi-judicial function to them that it can be argued did not exist that day. Now, that is unsettled. I mean, the courts will decide that. But look, but I really believe, and I've said many times, I think the institutions that really fell down in all of this, so to speak, are the state legislatures, especially including GOP-controlled state legislatures. Because the Constitution is designed to avoid something like this, and it's very clear. If there are questions about – if there are any questions, the state legislatures can and should – not on January 6th. We're talking about back in December when the Electoral College meets in the states. They are allowed to very clearly under the Constitution simply not send a slate of electors because they feel there are questions. If that occurs and if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, it goes to the House under the 12th Amendment where each state delegation gets one vote and there is a process.
Starting point is 01:03:59 The Republicans don't like Trump. The establishment Republicans certainly don't like him. Right, right, right. And there's been the insurgent Republicans, the populist Republicans, people who have joined the Republican Party for the first time. When I was covering one Trump rally in Florida back in 20, I think it was 2016. Actually, maybe it was 2015. I'm not sure. But there was a woman who said, I met a lot of people like this. They had never voted before. They were totally independent. They considered themselves actually to be
Starting point is 01:04:23 kind of liberal, but didn't really pay attention to politics trump came along and he was saying the things they wanted to hear and so for the first time they were voting a lot of people like that joined the republican party yeah this started to change things and the establishment republicans who had a bunch of a bunch of people who would vote are no matter what for whatever reason just because they were tribalist were upset by it trump is bombastic he's he rocks the boat yeah he rocks the boat he's demanding he commandeered the ship and they were more than happy to get rid of him there's well there's no question about that and i do think that i think i do think those new folks those populist you know folks are ascendant in in the republican party and i i'm one of them
Starting point is 01:04:57 and i and i hope that they are um but you know i i know you're from chicago i'm from western pennsylvania um and you recall there was a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. That massive, massive one? Massive. Okay. So for 55, whatever the number was, for 55,000 people to show up yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs for Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Okay. Western Pennsylvania is historically a very old school kind of FDR labor Democrat type of area, socially conservative, but very Democrat.
Starting point is 01:05:30 For that many people to show up that ferociously, frenetically enthusiastic for Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania speaks volumes. And I think that rally in 2024 might be two or three times that size. Have you heard about those books about Barron Trump and the last president? You ever hear about those? I have not. I see that he's really – Barron's very tall. Yeah, was he 6'7"? I think he's 6'7".
Starting point is 01:05:50 That's the most recent thing I've seen. Is that he's 6'7"? He is 6'7". What? Trump Tower. Wow. What if we're just totally misunderstanding what's going on? What's actually going to happen is in 20 years, Barron Trump, who's this 6'10", guy, runs for president.
Starting point is 01:06:04 He's like, like when my dad was president he's got this like deep voice and he wins and then he rules the nine no no there's a there's a book from the 1800s called about baron trump and there's a the final book in the series is called the last president and it talks about how oh that's the character's name is baron trump yes yep yep and the last president is a book about where I think it's, you know, Trump wins the presidency on November 3rd, 1893 or something. And then the socialists and anarchists from the Lower East Side of Manhattan storm up to his fortress on Fifth Avenue. It's like the weirdest thing. I haven't read it. That's what we've heard. And a lot of people are like, how
Starting point is 01:06:40 does something like that happen? So I'll call it a gag conspiracy theory, but there are people who genuinely believe like time travelers went back in time or something like that, something ridiculous. I was talking to Will Chamberlain. It was really funny because I was like, there's a conspiracy theory that people travel, invent time travel, go back in time to stop Donald Trump. And he goes, that's what you do with time travel? Like of all the things you could stop the killing fields yeah i mean world war ii yeah and then i was like wait wait wait actually yes if the democrats right now had time travel oh for sure that's what they would go and do that'd be their top choice for sure and but if i look as a gen xer if it does happen it's just got to be the quantum leap uh style time
Starting point is 01:07:23 travel uh if you remember that show oh of course yeah it comes on every day after star happen, it's just got to be the Quantum Leap style time travel. Oh, yeah. If you remember that show. Oh, of course. Yeah, it comes on every day after Stargate. Oh, it's got to be Quantum Leap. Those guys are great. But it's at 7 p.m., so I don't get to watch it. I don't get to see the intro. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Every day I get to hear Sam go, oh, boy. Those are the days. Those are the days. So simpler times to say the least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ziggy says you can't leap until you get reelected president. Why haven't I leapt yet? Have you seen the new Chris Pratt movie Tomorrow War?
Starting point is 01:07:51 Yeah, I didn't like it all that much I think I just love Chris Pratt so much What I didn't like about it was I felt like it was poorly directed But I really liked the concept And I really liked the attempt at doing a different kind of story structure but there's just like the beats aren't hitting properly with the humor and the action
Starting point is 01:08:12 I just have to confess if it has Ryan Reynolds or Chris Pratt in it I'm pretty much sold Chris Pratt deserves all the support he's a good dude he stands up for what he believes in to a certain extent he wore the Gadsden shirt supporting people who are pushing back against wokeness and are successful in Hollywood He seems to be, for sure. He stands up for what he believes in to a certain extent. He wore the Gadsden shirt.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Supporting people who are pushing back against wokeness and are successful in Hollywood, that's a really important thing. Yeah, it's a rare thing. He's great in Magnificent Seven, too. Are you a Magnificent Seven fan? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just great in Magnificent Seven. Yeah, he does a good job, man. We're going to go see Black Widow on Saturday.
Starting point is 01:08:42 If there could be time travel, that's what I would do, is I would go back and be part of the Magnificent Seven crew. With this new cast. They all die. Oh, well. No. Yeah. Not if you went back in time.
Starting point is 01:08:53 No, wait, wait. A bunch of them die. Well, several. No, not all of them die. Just a bunch of them. Well, there's seven. So I think, like, you know, four of them die. The Mexican guy survives.
Starting point is 01:09:04 Okay. No, Ethan Hawke. Ethan Hawke and his... Yeah, and his Asian guy. Or the Sprat. Or the Sprat dies, by the way. The bear guy dies. This movie's like eight years old. But I think...
Starting point is 01:09:16 Then the American guy dies? No. I think the three that survive are the Mexican guy who was... He was offended being called a Texican, but he was the Mexican guy. And then Denzel survives. guy who was a he was offended being called a texican but he was the mexican guy uh and then oh yeah and then uh denzel uh survives and the american in the in the native american red heart
Starting point is 01:09:30 red harvest yes yeah that's a cool red harvest is i mean amazing with the with the with the moving shots with the yeah and then he also has the last of all he can seen with the tomahawk and the knife um protecting that woman up on that yeah yeah good movie it's a very good movie yeah see it's not all bad we're chilling you know as much as the world might be on fire we got good movies at least yeah like um i'll i'll see a movie poster i'll be like oh that guy's in this movie i'm excited and it's like i don't even care what the movie is that guy is in it i want to watch that guy act well that's how it's always that's how it's always been the power of the cult man the power of culture like one human like you were saying can rise up and alter everything.
Starting point is 01:10:06 I'll tell you who's one of those. I mean, as long as we're on it. I mean, I'll tell you that one of those guys that I see is one of those guys. Are you a fan of the HBO series Deadwood? No, I've not seen it. Oh, Ian McShane. Oh, yeah. He plays kind of the main sort of bad guy, but with some good traits in Deadwood.
Starting point is 01:10:22 But I think he can tend to be one of those folks. But I'll stop. You're the movie. Yeah, he's great. He's a good bad guy. Yeah, he's very good. I wasn't a huge fan of the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels. I loved the first one.
Starting point is 01:10:38 I think the first Pirates of the Caribbean was just an incredibly good movie. I think the sequels were not that good, and I think he was in one of those sequels, so that's the one caveat I'd give. I haven't seen any of those. You haven't seen Pirates of the Caribbean? No, I knew about on movies. I went to theater school, and they were all really anti-cinema.
Starting point is 01:10:55 It was very weird. So I was like, I kind of stopped watching it. It's because theater is a dead medium. Yeah, they were like, I read plays. I don't watch TV. The other one that I, my favorite TV show ever is Black Sails on Starz.
Starting point is 01:11:09 That's kind of like Game of Thrones combined with Pirates of the Caribbean. That's a terrific, terrific show. Yeah. When are they going to start making a series about January 6th? I'm some half-joking, but I believe there are multiple ones underway. Yeah, I believe there are multiple ones underway. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Yes. There are multiple both series and documentaries that are underway. Yeah. They just came out with one. I'm not sure what news organization. Well, I think that there are. I mean, I know that there are a couple that HBO is working on. So I think one Showtime series on January 6th.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Oh, my gosh. So it must not be that big of a deal then because are there any movies about COVID yet? It's one of those too soon. There was, yeah. I think there's a pandemic, I think it's called, which is kind of a documentary that I think. Oh, a documentary.
Starting point is 01:11:59 They like doing these, it's Hollywood, so they're leftist. And they like doing movies that can push politics through culture like when they did um what was that fox movie where they went after roger ailes or whatever oh uh bombshell yeah yeah oh bombshell yes well there's a couple yes i was thinking the hbo one where uh um uh the same russell crowe plays uh roger ailes in the hbo one i think i think uh but but but i i like bombshell i thought bombshell i thought no no no right right Russell Crowe plays Roger Ailes in the HBO one, I think. But I like Bombshell. I thought Bombshell was entertaining.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Right. The story about what Roger Ailes was doing, sure, he sounds like a bad dude, right? But are they going to pick up a movie about, I don't know, Antifa burning down buildings? Yeah. I mean, they'll wait until it's politically expedient. Right, right. Same thing with virus movies. When the left needs to regain control from Antifa, then they'll make, you know, Red Dawn US. When their own starts to get eaten, which always happens with that kind of political philosophy.
Starting point is 01:12:55 But, you know, look, with respect to buildings being burned down, and you probably know more about this than I do, but I mean, with respect to, like, Kenosha, for example, I mean, you mean, there were houses, there were multi-level houses in which there were spray painting on the houses, you know, please don't burn this house down because there's a disabled person on the top floor. I mean, this isn't Kenosha, like on Lake Michigan, I suppose. And what did the cops do? The cops didn't do anything about it.
Starting point is 01:13:19 They, the local and state government of Wisconsin completely and totally abdicated its most basic fundamental obligations to actually provide law and order. It's obviously happened in other cities as well with these CHOP zones and CHAZ zones or whatever they're called. No-go zones. And that's totally unconstitutional. I mean, that violates the guarantee of a Republican with a little r government. Yeah, well, the police took away your right to defend yourself. And now that you can't, the extremists and the criminals and the rule breakers and the law breakers can do what they want. Then when their political allies take the DA, the police don't even go after the crimes that are more extreme.
Starting point is 01:14:03 It almost sounds like a system all right we're playing yeah if you were saying earlier the track we're on is dangerous i think you're right because that we can't talk about certain things on youtube not that youtube's the only place to have kind of like we can talk about it on timcast.com or whatever but there's things that we we can't talk about regarding the chaos that is disturbing, that we can't debate, dissect, analyze. No, it's very unsettling as Americans to have that sensation. I mean, I'm much older than anybody in the room, I think. But I mean, even – look, growing up and even I'm sure when you were growing up, I mean the sensation in America was that you could like really argue it out and hash it out and like stay up all night in college and like debate anything and talk about anything as long as you're civil to the other person.
Starting point is 01:14:56 Do you remember Skokie, Illinois and the ACLU? I know that there is something very relevant with respect to Skokie and the ACLU, but I can't put my mind right now. It was a bunch of neo-Nazis who were marching through a Jewish neighborhood, and the ACLU defended them. And that's exactly – so that's a perfect example, and thank you for reminding me of why I started the NCLU, because the only way to preserve the Constitution is to fight for the rights of those who you despise the most when it comes to their viewpoints. And right now it happens to be – it is conservatives that are needing protection right now, but tomorrow it's going to be liberals. You see what China just did with banning LGBT groups?
Starting point is 01:15:37 I did not see that. WeChat, one of their largest social platforms, banned a bunch of LGBT accounts. So you can see what power does. In the United States states just so happens the left communist faction uh and the marxists have a lot of institutional authority and and and people need to understand this that it there there is a massive infiltration of marxism in this government what they need to understand about critical theory and marxism is it's the idea of the oppressed and the oppressor right that is that the system is inherently uh you know bad and evil and must be torn down.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Right. So it's not about like Stalin sneaking into the government. It's about quite literally there are people in the government, the military is doing it, what did we just have? Was it Lockheed?
Starting point is 01:16:16 Where they were like, white people got to recognize them. Raytheon, Raytheon. Yeah, so our military industrial complex, our government, our police forces, our army are all embracing Marxist theory. They might not know that, but it literally is Marxist theory.
Starting point is 01:16:30 What's concerning is if it's oppressor and oppressed and I'm the oppressed, then I overturn the oppressor. Then what does that leave? It leaves me to become the oppressor. It's all meaningless. It's just power structures. It's an ideology that is basically like, how can I describe it? It's like when you look at an atomic structure and you find the one frail atom that when you flick, the whole thing crumbles. Sounds like fluorine.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Well, it's not fluorine. It's pretty electrostatic or electroelastic. I mean, this was known as hydrofluoric acid i mean it's what you're talking about is the same as what used to be called critical legal theory which became actually pretty ascended you know at harvard law school um a couple decades ago but it's but it's the same it's the same exact idea yeah yeah they they want to find a way to demonize a villain create an other it's very uh demagogic i suppose and it works so what is it but it's it really, really quite smart because what they'll do is they'll say, you're a racist. And quite literally, you have like James Lindsay being like, discriminating him on the basis of race is wrong.
Starting point is 01:17:33 And they go, racist. It's like, okay. That's what it is. That's what they believe. If this theory is oppressor and oppressed and the oppressor, the powerful are oppressive by nature. Is that part of this theory? No, no, no, no. So initially with Marx, you have like the class, right?
Starting point is 01:17:50 The bourgeoisie, the proletariat, the working class, the elites, the political class, etc. Then you get critical race theory where they're like white people. So you replace the bourgeoisie with white people basically for the race theory. So now with critical race theory, you have oppressors and oppressors, and the white people are the oppressors, and the people of color are the oppressed. And is the theory that if you were to remove white people from the equation, that there would no longer be an oppressor? That white people need to recognize their privilege and give up their power. This is very disturbing. It's meaningless because you can't take your skin color off.
Starting point is 01:18:23 Right. Yeah. So the idea ultimately is that you will always be an oppressor no matter what. All of which, of course, is precisely why we have certain laws that are just – that are so flatly illegal and contrary to like the civil rights laws that were passed in the 1960s. And they think that they can just get away with it, and they will unless they're challenged. Critical race theorists hated civil rights. Of course. One of the core tenets of critical race theory is critique of liberalism.
Starting point is 01:19:01 They felt that the liberal – Liberalism with a little l. Right. Yeah. They thought that the Democrats and desegregation and civil rights was actually depowering their community. They hated it. They were very critical of the Democrats. First of all, you have the Democrats that were pro segregation. And then also the Democrats started to say, OK, well, maybe we'll we'll get behind these bills for a variety of reasons. And there was there was a letter circulated during the Ferguson riots among activists that argued segregation was a plot by white Democrats to force black people to exist underneath the economics of the white system.
Starting point is 01:19:33 It's desegregation. Yeah, right. So what these activists were saying when they were writing this letter, before the end of segregation, when everything was separated, they said black people had their own wealth, their own neighborhoods, their own communities, their own churches, their own Wall Street. Along comes the Democrats and say, hey, we should end segregation. It's wrong. And as soon as that happened, you have these two systems where, yes, you have a lot of very wealthy white people, but the black community was building up their wealth. Now they're forced to exist at a lower economic standard to the white people. What they were basically arguing was when you had segregation, a black person would run their own restaurant. With the end of segregation, the black person would go work for the white man's restaurant.
Starting point is 01:20:13 Now I think that's a bit silly. You could still have your own restaurant. You can still have your own communities. And I think it's an overtly racist ideology, and the end of segregation was a very, very good thing. But these activists genuinely believe that we need – that they believe segregation was believe segregation was something they want. I'll put it that way. When they hate Martin Luther King. But they know that he's popular among liberals and the liberals are the ones they can exploit. So they say things like, yay, Dr. King. And I always say this to my woke friends.
Starting point is 01:20:41 Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. King, he said said i have a dream that one day my four little children will be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character how are you fulfilling dr king's dream exactly and they say at you don't even know what he was about i guess i don't know he said those. So do you think that allowing schools to implement race-based discrimination is helping Dr. King's dream or hurting it? Wow. Now, hold on. The path is long.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Let's find out. You're getting a lot of leftists who have no problem criticizing him because it's becoming so prominent and prevalent that they're now much more free to do so. So we talked about this book that's being taught in school. It's called Not My Idea. It's a children's book where a little white girl is exposed to the truth by her teachers about race. And she's angry with her mom who lied to her. And she screams, I'm tired of you lying to me, mom.
Starting point is 01:21:35 Tell me the truth. I see race. And the mom says, oh, no. And there's a whiteness contract with a white hand reaching out in a devil's tail. Yeah, white people are the devil, they say. You got to see this book. They're teaching this to children in dozens of schools. But in many of these schools, once they get to that portion where it shows the white person
Starting point is 01:21:54 as the devil, they stop. They don't show it. And they say, you can read the rest of the book on your own. You know why? It's the insidious nature. If they come out right now and tell children white people are the devil, their parents will flip out. But if they give them the beginning of the book, see, police brutality is wrong.
Starting point is 01:22:12 They were lying to you. These liberals might be like, huh, OK. They have to do it slowly, slowly. It's insidious. These liberals are easy to exploit because they look at something and they say, that's unfair. They've got to do it slowly. Once enough liberals support this book,
Starting point is 01:22:26 then they'll turn the last page and say, white people are the devil. And then these people go, oh, yeah. Well, I think, look, these parents and these moms are starting to stand up in these school board meetings, which I think is a very good thing. I think when I was driving down here, I went through Luton County, right? It's right nearby. Loudon, which is, of course, where they wanted to shut down debate and they dragged out, the sheriff's deputies dragged out the parents
Starting point is 01:22:51 who wanted to actually finish the period of debate that was called for, right? But, you know, look, the way that these things are going to turn around is that people who love this country and, you know, moms at a certain point will protect their kids, but these folks are going to start running for the school board, and they're going to start running for local offices. And good people have to get in politics and run for office because that's where the real power is. That's where the real change comes from is where you can actually take your pen
Starting point is 01:23:17 and you can sign a piece of legislation. And I think that's starting to happen. It certainly feels like it's starting to happen. I'm starting to think that this 100-year experiment of public school systems is showing its cracks, its flaws, and the dangers of putting your kids in a foreign environment and just letting things happen to them. Strangers can tell your kids whatever. I had so many bad teachers. Just as awful. Terrible, terrible, old, angry.
Starting point is 01:23:45 Evil. Worthless, useless, old, angry, evil. Worthless, useless. I'm going to say the worst stuff. No, they're probably fine people, but just not able to handle a group of 30 kids at a time. It was terrible. Yeah. I mean, it's just – I mean, there are states like, you know, I suppose New York and California come to mind where, I mean, the public education, you know, the public school system seems to be disastrous and it's hard to know what to do. I mean, I think the solution is probably multifaceted.
Starting point is 01:24:10 I mean, it involves some degree of school choice. It involves some degree of, you know, getting the funds actually where they need to be to make sure that you can reduce class sizes and, you know, get good teachers in there. But, yeah, I mean, we cannot have a system in this country where, you know, and I'm my kids go to an amazing private school, but you cannot have a system where a certain number of elite kids have teachers who are kindergarten teachers with PhDs and they have an amazing experience. And then you have the masses of people whose kids are not only in physical danger, but they're being indoctrinated like this. Voucher program? Look, I'm a huge believer in choice and competition. And so school choice and voucher programs and competition, generally speaking, seem to me to be very good ideas. I think the health care system also needs more competition and whatnot. I think the trick becomes exactly how to implement these things so that it's actually effective.
Starting point is 01:25:11 But what we have right now in these big blue states and these cities is not – it's just not tenable. So something else has to be tried. Trash. Well, it's just – I mean it's – The cities themselves, man. I'm just so – I am anti-city right now. It's not a good time of being a big city. We were, we were outside in the front today with, uh, Andy.
Starting point is 01:25:29 Um, Andy is a guy who's going to be, he's going to be running all the rec area stuff. He's going to be running the grind bar and we're going to be setting up events and stuff. So he, we're just standing in the front and we were trying to plan out like, so where do we build the mega ramp? Like where, where do we put the, the giant launch for the skate park? And it's not about, look, I understand not everybody can, you know, go and buy materials for a skate park and it's not about look i understand not everybody can you know go and buy materials for a skate park but you have space you can walk outside with your friends and just look at the grass and say what can we do here what activity should we have in
Starting point is 01:25:54 these cities it's brutal man you live in a cubicle yeah your kids are in a crammed school environment teachers don't even know their name teachers like who is this you're in my class um miss wilson i've been in your class all year huh i can't even tell i got too many kids yeah well i don't live in that it's a different it's all different type of versatility no and i think that could look i think that you're going to have uh people start to look people who want to live a certain way and believe in certain things are going to start self-selecting out out of the cities and to be, you know, in places that seem safer and in which, you know, they're not attacked for having a MAGA hat on.
Starting point is 01:26:30 And, you know, I think that, you know, and obviously with COVID and the way folks have gotten more used to working remotely, I think it's going to accelerate that trend. And that could lead to further, you know, that could lead to further division in the country because, you know, I think we're going to have people sort of segregating themselves away from each other because there's just too much volatility right now. Yeah. You know, we're going to go tomorrow, see a movie, hang out, have some candy and popcorn.
Starting point is 01:26:56 Then we're going to just relax and enjoy a Saturday. We've been filming it. We make a vlog out of it. We're going to start ramping up doing daily vlogs and everything. But the point is there's got to be something else to kind of clear your mind oh yeah help you focus on other things i do music because i want to scream when i want to when i want to exert my rage on someone i just got to turn it into song i got to scream with my body's full vigor and it's it's a bit of a bad for your vocal cords yeah but it's good for my mind play the drums and it doesn't hurt other
Starting point is 01:27:22 people because like get taking it out on someone else is terrible you can't scream in a city though they do it online in their text and it doesn't yeah they can kind of tell when they're reading on their in their text but if you're if you live in a city like so i i it's hard to scream in the city i lived in brooklyn can't have drums can't play guitar you can play guitar but it's like within certain hours because like you hear the pounding on the floor then and unless you really good, your neighbors are going to complain. Yeah. They're going to complain no matter what. They don't always complain if you're really good.
Starting point is 01:27:50 I lived in an apartment where someone in the building worked graveyard shift, and they're always like – it's like 5 p.m., and they're like, excuse me. I understand, but look, man. I got to sleep, and we'll do our best because we're trying to be nice. It's brutal. I listened to Hardcore History and listened to the stories about how Alexander the Great's mom was super difficult sometimes. And then after he died from partying too hard, there was literally like 40 years of warfare among his generals to try to sort things out, which makes you feel like it could be worse. I heard that he was poisoned. Have you heard that theory? Oh, well, for sure that's a major theory.
Starting point is 01:28:28 I don't think anybody knows for sure. I would be surprised if he wasn't at this point. Look, he had put together the world, the largest empire that the world had seen at that point. And so there was a lot of folks with a lot of you know motivations um to do such thing i look clearly he seemed to um uh you know like to like to have a good time as well um you know and so who knows for sure um with respect to the you know the amount of alcohol that you know he was uh you know supposed to consume um but but no i would say
Starting point is 01:29:03 that the i would say that the consensus among serious historians is that yes, he was assassinated. He had led all his generals across Persia and was conquering the world and they were like, okay, we did it. Can we go home now and enjoy? Yeah, they got basically halfway through India and they're kind of looking around at the Himalayan
Starting point is 01:29:20 mountains in the snow and they're like, okay, seriously, what's the point? My assumption was he was like, we're going to go forever and they're like okay like i mean seriously like what what what's like what's the point like here my assumption was he was like we're gonna go forever and they were like no we're gonna we have to stop him one of these generals is like he's gone too far he's one of the most i mean he's one of those fascinating personalities in history and he had an insatiable appetite to conquer everything he was he was uh you know tutored from a young age by what was it aristotle um you know his his mother his father was one of the most powerful figures of his age
Starting point is 01:29:47 that handed him like a Ferrari of an army that was tailor-made to take over Persia, essentially. And his mother is one of the most sort of powerful, fascinating, manipulative female characters in the ancient period, for sure. And so, yeah, the Alexander Great story is a good one. Well, how about we ask the audience over in the Super Chats, if you haven't already, give us a little tap of that like button,
Starting point is 01:30:13 subscribe to this channel, become a member over at TimCast.com, and share the show if you really like it. All right, the first and most important question. Hutch the Wolf says, hey, what happened to the stream last night? Well, we have to be very careful because YouTube is communist, so it's on Rumble. So, it's on Rumble. And it's on iTunes
Starting point is 01:30:32 and Spotify and all the podcast platforms, but it ain't on YouTube, and that's YouTube's fault. So, I'll just put it that way. Alright, let's see what we got here. Oh, this is where you take questions from? Yeah, we just read the chats and see what's up. Nice.
Starting point is 01:30:47 Mickey Stone says, a new dark matter research facility is being built two kilometers underground in Victoria. If they succeed, Australia will have an infinite energy source. Is that real? They've been looking for dark matter for like two decades. And now that I'm studying quantized inertia,
Starting point is 01:31:02 I'm wondering if maybe, you know, there's lots of ways to look at something that exists. So like this ball of obsidian, you could write different theories explaining the existence of this ball of obsidian from different layers. Like one's the cellular theory of behavior. One's the atomic theory of behavior. One's the subatomic theory. And they're all right, even though they all are different. So I wonder if dark matter could be explained and there could be theories that explain reality without it.
Starting point is 01:31:28 You should go to the university. So the only thing I can contribute to that answer is that I think if Australia develops it, there could be a lot worse people that develop it. Oh, yeah. All right. Trevor Schoon says, when talking about crap, critical race applied principles,
Starting point is 01:31:47 you said they consider whiteness property. Do you all think they will try to put a tax on whiteness? Do I think they've been trying to. They've come out and said it's called reparations. Yeah. So if you're if you're like a well, then they've also they've also started to, you know, just explicitly provide more benefits to folks who are not white, whether it be getting a COVID vaccine first or it be certain financial benefits. So, yeah. Let's say you're from Ukraine. Your parents moved to the United States and then they brought you with them as a child. Or actually, Luke's a good example.
Starting point is 01:32:18 Luke is from Poland. His family moved here with him when he was young. He grew up here. Why is he paying taxes in reparations for something he had nothing to do with? Because he's white. So some people receive and some people lose. Yeah, that's a tax based on race. All right, let's see. Angry Waffle 2 says, I live very close to Kenosha. My family still lives there. If Kyle gets an excessive excessive punishment we need to rise up or punishing self-defense will be the norm yep yep so people need to uh i can't tell you what the most effective thing to do but organizing you know understanding protest understanding your power in media understanding your power in industry you know this is the funny thing about like january 6 these people think and
Starting point is 01:33:01 and i and i get these comments from people where they're like we have to fight it's the only way and i'm like oh that'll give you control of like institutions and colleges to indoctrinate children. No, it won't do anything. You need to actually be professional, persuasive, resourceful, and get jobs. You know what people can do? People want to know how they can fight back? Apply for a job at Google. There you go.
Starting point is 01:33:22 Become part. job at google there you go become part yeah there there has to be almost a counter march through the institute you know the counter long march through the institutions um to to to try to you know start to take some of these things back yeah maximin says tim facebook wiped all kyle rittenhouse and kenosha shooting content search facebook for his name or kenosha shooting nothing comes up at all they're in the process of removing search terms related that's because well it's two reasons one advertisers don't like it it's not good and there's probably a political component where they're like hey if liberals can't see it happening they'll just assume the narrative is true if people watch that video they're like this guy's yeah well defending himself yeah i mean it makes logical sense because every single video shows that he
Starting point is 01:34:01 was defending himself and remember there was there's there's like thousands of videos showing it's not just one he was on the ground And remember, there's like thousands of videos showing it. It's not just one. He was on the ground. The guy was about to smash his head with a skateboard. Could have killed the guy. The guy with the skateboard did smash his skull with the skateboard and could have easily killed him just with that blow. But the person
Starting point is 01:34:18 that I think you're talking about is the person with the Glock who was literally coming down to shoot him, executing him. Yeah, he's like walking up to him with the gun. He's got a Glock. Well, he tried to fake surrender. Yeah. He tried to fake surrender.
Starting point is 01:34:29 He backs up. He tried to fake surrender. And then Kyle. What is the precedent? Like if you go into a mob where people are fighting with a gun and you walk into it, you choose to, and then they start grabbing at your gun and you start shooting in defense, are you really defending yourself? Yes.
Starting point is 01:34:43 Or did you put yourself in a situation where you're the aggressor? You're defending yourself., are you really defending yourself? Or did you put yourself in a situation where you're the aggressor? You're defending yourself. Even though you're defending yourself. So there's a lot of questions, especially as the analogy pertains to Kenosha. Do you live or work in this area where there's a mob of people?
Starting point is 01:34:57 So that's relevant. Yeah, it is. If you're supposed to be there or you're defending your community. More importantly, though, just because it's a group of unruly, unlawful people doesn't mean you as a citizen have no right to exist and bear arms or to be there to be there i mean i got a right to keep in bear arms so if i'm walking down i mean based on what you're saying ian no one in chicago should be allowed to have guns period it's kind of
Starting point is 01:35:20 that argument of if you go into a bear a cage with a bunch of hungry bears and the bears attack you, are you going to blame the bears for attacking you? Or are you going to blame the guy for getting in the bear cage? Similar with what Andy Ngo was experiencing. Sure, sure. Yeah, but they're completely different circumstances. Based on your analogy, no one in Chicago is allowed to defend themselves. Chicago is ridden with crime, violence, gang activity. So self-defense is now wrong because you entered this place.
Starting point is 01:35:47 That's different than don't go out late at night because you'll get mugged. You go out at night at Chicago, you know you run the risk. I mean I talk to people in Chicago who are saying they're scared to go out at night because it's just constant. It's getting worse and worse and worse. So many of them stop doing it. Many of them are – people I know are leaving. We heard about San Francisco. Forty percent of people polled said they were going to leave because of declining quality of life that's different from do you have the right to defend yourself if you have to go
Starting point is 01:36:13 let's let's say you have a big house and one day you show up and there's a bunch of bears in it are you allowed to go in and fight the bears off yeah because it's your house there's a difference between i'm you should you go into the house probably not unless you can defend yourself good point so it's like it might be your house there's a bunch of bears in it right now you're gonna need some help to clear out the bears and in a very you know safe way but if you your family was in there and it was like your medicine was in there let's say you're diabetic and your own son's in the fridge and you're gonna die it's like you have to go in and choke a bear and if the bear is attacking bears tax you gotta learn how to fight dead bear with your bare hands punch it in the nose unless you're going to die, it's like you have to go in. You're going to choke a bear. And if the bear attacks you, you've got to learn how to fight that bear with your bare
Starting point is 01:36:45 hands. Punch it in the nose. Unless you've got, I don't know what kind of gun takes down a bear, to be honest. Sonic. I think you need, well, that's like a lot. Well, you need a.50 caliber for sure. You think a.50 caliber? Well, I think that would be your, that would be the very least I think you would need to
Starting point is 01:36:59 have a chance. .308 though, I'd imagine. Yeah. Like not one, but if you get him in the head maybe, right? I would assume so. I mean, I would feel better about a.50 caliber, I'd imagine. Yeah. Like, not one, but if you get them in the head, maybe, right? I would assume so. I mean, I would feel better about a.50 caliber, I think. But even though I was in the Army, you're the one that lives in the country now, and so you're more up to speed on these things.
Starting point is 01:37:13 I don't know. I've not had to fight a grizzly bear. We have a bunch of deer that come here, but we're cool with the deer. They're all right. There's a first-rate thing. We got turkeys all over the place. The turkey shot in a 12-gauge is pathetic. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:37:24 But, like, it does the turkeys in, I guess, if they're a i mean but like it does the turkeys in i guess if they're a nuisance on your property well the turkeys come by once a month we don't we don't mind them but a but a bear i don't know i think people in the chat are going to know uh what does someone say 338 winchester is no no no 338 wm 308 someone said 308 i figured you know i don't think i don't think 45 would work. No, not a 45. Yeah, 45, like a 45 ACP subsonic. Just to irritate them. Speaking of
Starting point is 01:37:51 turkeys, you guys ever hang out face-to-face with a turkey before? There's a bunch of them. They're outside all the time. Have you sat within six feet of one and just chilled with one ever? I wouldn't call it that. You should. I was in South America and this woman was housing this turkey
Starting point is 01:38:07 to eat it eventually and he would come up and sit next to us and they are terrifying because they have huge claws. They're massive. But then you look
Starting point is 01:38:14 in their eyes and they have this kind wisdom in their eyes. I see why Ben Franklin wanted to make it the national bird. They're like the modern velociraptors or something.
Starting point is 01:38:22 Here's a good one. Here's a good one. Victor G says, amazing how blue-pilled Tim is on conspiracies and then cannot understand how people can be so blind about how corrupt the media is. Actually, I think you, sir, are the one who is blue-pilled.
Starting point is 01:38:35 If there is something as such as like overly red-pilled, I don't know, but there is an idea that when you take the red pill, you wake up from the Matrix. But you cannot claim that you've seen a meme and looked at circumstantial evidence and it's been enough to prove something definitively. There is a meme that's gone around for a long time about the Clintons, and it lists all of these names. I have gone through a ton of these names and been like, that's the stupidest attempt at connecting somebody. It's like this one firm
Starting point is 01:39:05 once handled a bank account for bill clinton and their receptionist it's like whoa whoa whoa they're like if you've got a company with 3 000 people and someone could you imagine if it's like you know you go to a shopping mall and then one day someone in the shopping mall turns up dead and they're like but the clintons were shopping there whoa so coming back to that one i'll just say that because um my firm sued hillary clinton on behalf of Tulsi Gabbard, I'm just going to hope that you're correct about that one. I just think this latest story with this journalist, it's like he broke a story about Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. Then for years was writing a book about it. Then went on a book tour about it.
Starting point is 01:39:43 And the Clintons were like, not yet. Not yet. Wait for it. Wait for it. Now it's a what's like if they, if they wanted to stop him from writing the, like, if they were mad about what he was reporting, wouldn't they stop the book from coming out? It's it was six years later. You can't be like, well, six years later, it's people are looking too much for confirmation bias. And they say, I'm blue. Well, someone said, I'm blue pill on conspiracies. Bro, I'm doing the investigations and not finding the evidence. I'm not going to sit here and pretend evidence exists when it doesn't. There's certainly things you can bring up
Starting point is 01:40:11 that are creepy, like the painting of Bill Clinton in a dress on Epstein Island. Or Bill Clinton flying on the Epstein plane 27 times or whatever. Bro, that's creepy stuff that we know happened. Luke Rutkowski getting on the boat and jumping onto Epstein Island like a lunatic getting freaky at epstein island yep yep all right let's see we got doug andrew says greetings tim and gang i'm making it a point to watch your videos on rumble
Starting point is 01:40:37 instead of youtube don't fret though i'm still leaving likes on youtube all right well that's cool um you know look we have to leverage these platforms where the culture war is happening. We can't just abandon them because it's where the culture war is happening. So it is a challenge, right? Twitter, however, I have complete disdain for and I tweet nonsense.
Starting point is 01:40:58 Maybe I'm still, maybe that's worse because I'm giving Twitter the best content, you know what I mean? Like if I was going to tweet things like, breaking news, Donald Trump did this. Okay, I guess that's like legitimate, serious content. Instead, I'm posting pictures of goats and stuff, just like, yeah, look at this.
Starting point is 01:41:13 Look at this, a deer trying to eat my pawpaw. Because I can say, one can tell that you're sort of messing with the universe with your tweets sometimes, which is very fascinating, as opposed to Cassandra's just full-on attackandra is the best it is all right let's see noah zork says although i consider myself an amateur sleuth i believe i can say with some certainty that the person that fired on ashley babbitt was on the other side of the glass
Starting point is 01:41:39 yeah i mean there's a video of it yeah of the guy right of the specific i don't know is there actual video of the guy holding the gun releasing the chamber or is it like you just kind of see where the guy is and then no there there there is video of of his uh of his hands uh holding uh the the firearm um he also i i will note um that he uh interestingly i think uh removes uh his one of his hands from the firearm and seems to take it to his earpiece that you cannot see. But that seems to be the natural conclusion. There are a lot of questions about January 6th.
Starting point is 01:42:15 There are a lot of questions about that incident as well. All right. Zach Goo says, I work at a large trucking company. We haul refrigerated goods, had a meeting today about how our trucks aren't being fixed due to parts on backwater. They also said all oil changes are suspended due to oil shortage. I've heard some creepy scuttlebutt about oil and gas. Oh, yeah. Just scuttlebutt.
Starting point is 01:42:37 Just internet rumors. People could be freaking out. Who knows? We'll see. So should we order like 60 pounds of WD-40 or something? No. No. No. For breakfast, I've been having fresh eggs and vegetables from our own garden.
Starting point is 01:42:51 It's the greatest feeling when you're like, I eat food of my own creation. You know what I mean? The chickens, we let them in the farm to eat the bugs. They got our tomatoes, though, but we're kind of happy they did. Somebody did. I just drink espresso, and I have to start eating more healthy, so I'm going to come'm gonna come hang out but it's just a great feeling to be like oh man we have so many cherry tomatoes off of yeah you're talking about that in the show they do sound it does sound i took like 20 threw them in a pot with some olive oil and then i poured the fresh eggs over
Starting point is 01:43:17 the top and let it egg just yeah that that those cherry tomatoes they just pop there i diced a zucchini from the garden and sauteed it with red wine vinegar and salt. Dude, it was next level. I put a sausage in there with it and kind of let the sausage grease kind of go in. Oh, really? Man, it was good. That's not really good. That's the way to live, for sure.
Starting point is 01:43:37 That's why I'm saying when people are worried about – there's been food shortages, oil shortages, trucker shortages. Gas stations are starting to run dry across the country. It's happening. They say it's not a gas shortage. It's a trucker shortage. I'm are starting to run dry across the country. It's happening. They say it's not a gas shortage. It's a trucker shortage. I'm just like, say it all you want. Okay, I got some electric bikes. Not too fast.
Starting point is 01:43:51 I got an electric car. We'll see how long that lasts. We're getting the solar panels and stuff. We have these backup batteries, and the power went out here. We immediately ran and plugged in all the backup batteries, and we're still able to do the show even though the storm knocked out the power. Very exciting. But these batteries come with solar panels you can lay out in the sun and plug in, and they charge off solar. It's fantastic, and they're still able to do the show even though the storm knocked out the power. Very exciting. But these batteries come with solar panels you can lay out in the sun and plug in,
Starting point is 01:44:06 and they charge off solar. It's fantastic, and they're huge. If you only have, like, one panel set, it would take, like, probably three days to fully charge the box. But we actually have, like, I think we have, like, 24. So you lay them all out on the ground in the grass, plug it in, and it charges up in an hour or two. And you can run AC off of it.
Starting point is 01:44:25 You can run your washing machine on it. It's amazing. These things are fantastic. Can you run multiple batteries through all? Like 24 panels and like eight batteries? Can you have them all plugged in? Technically, yeah. But it's not worth it to do it that way.
Starting point is 01:44:36 You just charge the one up, then switch it over and switch it over and switch it over because you'll get some diminishing returns. Well, I did hear your discussion about gold on your last show. And a lot of people think about that when it comes to the kind of apocalypse scenario. But your discussion of that was very persuasive, that that's not really where you want to go. Well, gold is where you – but I don't think the apocalypse is going to happen. Gold is excellent if you think there's going to be an economy.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Right. Gold is valuable among humans. But if we're, like, talking Mad Max, what do you want gold for? I guess – you know what I mean? No, yeah. I mean it's useful as a medium of exchange in a – at least marginally functioning society. But other than that, it's like food and water and weapons. We have been marginally functioning throughout the last 4,000, 6,000, 8,000 years. Even though there's been catastrophe and war we still continue gold persisted function i'm just saying like if we nuke ourselves and it's like the last man on
Starting point is 01:45:29 earth you're gonna you're not gonna trade someone gold they're gonna be like bro i i don't need i need water do you have water i'll give you some bread but even if like the there's a peaceful divorce and major conflict gold and silver are are in my opinion yeah for me good that's good to have and it's certainly good to have in reserve for sure. I'm definitely interested in precious metals and cryptocurrency, but you've got to balance it. I'm not giving financial advice. I'm just saying for me, I think it's important to have a balance between some different
Starting point is 01:45:56 hard assets, stocks, and everything. I can't remember who you're talking to. They said if the market collapses, then you need to have some liquid assets so you can move in and out. Yeah. But if you put everything in one basket, who knows what's going to happen? Well, you've got to be ready to pounce on assets if the market folds, basically, with your cash.
Starting point is 01:46:12 Well, I think what people realize in 2008, 2009 is that essentially all paper assets can go to hell in one fell swoop. All right. We got this one from Dalimar. He says, John Pierce, Matthew Peirce was arrested today for entering the Capitol with a GoPro camera and press badges on. Friends are unsure of his status right now. He was streaming on Twitch and on DLive covering the event.
Starting point is 01:46:31 He is going to need a lawyer. So, look, I am here and I'm trying to help, you know, everybody they can because a lot of people need help. So reach out. You know, each defendant is obviously in a different scenario in terms of uh you know the facts of of each case and um uh again there's some very interesting things about january 6th uh it gets more interesting by the day yeah the 21.6 talk so shed talk show says tony bobulinski there he is that's the name that's the name yeah tony bobulinski We were not actually that close. No, we were way off. You were making it. Couldn't remember. Pancake Astronaut says,
Starting point is 01:47:09 Love the show. Trying to create culture. If you could, sir, shout out my metal band, Mind Virus. There you go, Mind Virus. You just did. All right. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:47:21 Michael Schwobel says, There is a video out there of Trump supporters outside in MAGA hats asking the police why they're not stopping them. Yep. Seen it. That does exist. He's yelling at the cop like, what are you doing? Why aren't you doing anything?
Starting point is 01:47:32 And the cop's just like, man. And that man was fired up about it. Yes. Those cops were clearly. You know they were ordered to stand down. No, no, no. Because if they had gotten into altercations and fought people, it would have been the worst optical. There's video of the cops letting them in.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Yeah, they were ordered probably to not get involved and just be as passive. It's obvious that Donald Trump told all the police, you know, I'm the back the blue president. They were like, you got it. And the cops were like, we're going to make this happen. Oh, that's another conspiracy. Well, hold on. Hold on. It's not a conspiracy theory.
Starting point is 01:48:09 Trump was the president trump supports police police let people in and helped facilitate the insurrection let's round up all these capital cops now the cops that were defending the capital okay you guys are free to go and the cops that refuse to intervene or open the doors we got to have we got to get those cops rounded up and investigated don't we i think that think that there's, from a factual standpoint, there is no question that there were Capitol Hill police that were not just letting people in, but were urging people to come in. And I think that there are very direct and tough cross-examination questions that need to be asked of each one of those individuals. All right. Let's see what we got. Rob Santana says, Tim, in Tomorrow War, oh, spoiler alert for those that haven't seen Tomorrow War, because here it comes.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Tim, in Tomorrow War, they need two jabs to kill the queen in the past when they could just have blown up the ship in the first place. That's correct. Yep. So many questions. Yeah. I didn't get that deep in the analysis.
Starting point is 01:49:05 All right, we're going in. We're going in. You guys ready for this? Yeah. Spoiler alerts to the umpteenth degree for those who have not seen The Tomorrow War.
Starting point is 01:49:11 You're not going to want to hear this, but I am going to now, Tara, two shreds. Do it. So The Tomorrow War. It's about a bunch of people. They're chilling, and then all of a sudden
Starting point is 01:49:18 a portal opens, and people from the future come back to the past saying we are losing a war against aliens, and we're going to draft people from the past to fight in the future because we're desperate okay i guess sure it's kind of a weird weird plot but i do appreciate the uniqueness of it all right let's let's talk
Starting point is 01:49:32 about this so chris pratt goes in for testing and they find out that he's going to die in seven years the war takes place in 30 years they say you've been drafted they send him and a bunch of middle-aged people to the future at some point someone notes you notice that all the soldiers that came to the past are very young and all the people that go to the future are very old and they go oh they're trying to avoid a paradox so that someone in the past doesn't interact with himself in the future and the people come to past haven't been born yet and i'm like oh except in the movie everyone's dead in the future everyone is it makes no sense to be like he dies in seven years and go to war half a million
Starting point is 01:50:10 there's only half a million people left on the planet so why would they draft a bunch of old people when everyone's already dead now who dies first in the movie turns out chris okay i'm telling you spoilers chris pratt's daughter is his girl, and then he gets drafted into the future, and sure enough, the colonel in command, it's his daughter. She's pretty badass. He says, colonel. And she goes, well, when people start getting knocked off, you wear a lot of names or whatever. Basically implying that you become colonel when everyone else is killed in the war,
Starting point is 01:50:40 which is to imply most of the soldiers are dead. Why would they draft a bunch of middle-aged fat people like this fat guy to go and fight in a war unless all of their frontline infantry actually died already in which case people from the past who are actually in the military would be the ones to be drafted of course because they'd be like you're already dead in the future now we're going to take you and bring you into the fight in the future. It's ridiculous. Also, what if they pulled someone's dad into the future and got him killed in war before he had the kid that was the soldier from the future? It makes no sense.
Starting point is 01:51:14 It makes no sense. I assure you I could make a better movie. I could write a better story. I'm not sure if it's because it's getting late or not, but you're just – it's now like above. Your mind is moving faster than mine is oh dude, I already rewrote the whole movie after watching it, I do this with a lot of movies I'm like okay, let me rewrite this plot he was a military vet, it should have been shortly after
Starting point is 01:51:37 they should have been only drafting military there's a whole lot that should have changed in that movie, but you will keep Chris Pratt oh definitely, he's so good and I thought the daughter character was really good. Yeah. Chris is the only reason to watch that movie, honestly. Oh, she was.
Starting point is 01:51:51 I just remember where I saw her. She was in Live Another Day 24, the Jack Bauer. Oh, interesting. She played the CIA agent in London. Yes. That's where I recognize her from. Zach Robinson says, Is this enough to say I'm sorry?
Starting point is 01:52:06 Never changed him. I can't believe you read that last night. When is the live chat coming with your live website streams? That would be fire. Free culture war discourse is the best discourse. You could even air at 11 and react to chat. We have a lot of plans, but it's just... I'll break it down.
Starting point is 01:52:22 There's a lot of people who need to understand there's no amount of money that can get you what you want if it doesn't exist, right? I was hanging out with this dude, this YouTube guy. And we were in DC. And this was actually on January 20th. It was Trump's inauguration. This guy comes down and we were talking and I said,
Starting point is 01:52:41 so what did you fly in first class, you know, to get down here? And he laughs and goes, first class. I'm way beyond that. And I laughed and I was like, oh, a private plane? And he goes, dude, I took the train. And I started laughing. It's like, how do you think you get from New York to D.C.?
Starting point is 01:52:57 Why would you spend five hours going to get – just hop on the train. It's much more relaxing to take the train. You walk in. You hop on the train. It's right there. Boom, you're in D.C. You're on the ground. And I was like relaxing to take the train. You walk in. You hop on the train. It's right there. Boom, you're in D.C. You're on the ground. And I was like, oh, there's no amount of money.
Starting point is 01:53:09 If you want to get a private plane, it still takes time to go to the airport, charter the plane, get the permissions, get on the runway. You're waiting in line. Train's faster. People don't realize this. So here's what's happening with the website dev. I can go to the developers and say, I will give you all the money in the world. And they say, there's still only so much work a person can do in development. You can't have 10 people designing one thing because then you've got a bunch of code conflicting
Starting point is 01:53:34 with each other and no one knows what someone else is building. So it actually has diminishing returns. So there's actually a happy medium of how many people you can have developing something. So it takes a long time. So we want to have website streams. We want to have, so you can listen to the bonus podcasts. We're going to be doing audio only versions with all the members podcasts for people who want lower bandwidth and want to listen in areas without high speed and stuff like that. I think Rumble already offers a low bandwidth version as well, but we want to do an audio only. It's going to
Starting point is 01:54:02 take a bunch of dev. So websites first, then the mobile app, but we're going to have a ton of crazy content. We are going to have like, we already have technically three shows. You have Tim Pool Show, which is me monologuing, Timcast IRL, which is the conversations. We have Cast Castle, which is the vlog. The next one we're doing is the unexplained and the paranormal and all that stuff. It's going to be epic. And we're going to have, that should be starting up in the next month or so. And then we're going to be doing tech, gaming, all sorts of stuff.
Starting point is 01:54:30 We're probably going to do true crime, obviously. But we're going to have a bunch of different shows. Dude, I'm so excited to do a tech show. Oh, yeah. But we need... Weird technology. So the interesting thing is I think there's an overlap with you, Ian, in the unexplained show. But there's got to be the wild world of science with
Starting point is 01:54:46 Ian kind of thing. You guys just got to go crazy. So where do you guys stand on the UFO revelations with these Pentagon videos? I think they're really using it as an opportunity to raise money for the military right now as kind of a scare tactic, but also I've been studying these things called
Starting point is 01:55:01 talking plasma balls that the military's been working on where they'll coordinate lasers, three or more, into the atmosphere to trisect them and create a ball of plasma, which is showing up on radar. And then they can move the ball around. And they're like, how can a ship even move like that? But it's tracking on radar. The actual craft, I think it's Tesla tech that they've recovered and have been working on lightweight drones since the 30s or 40s. You ever point a laser pointer at a wall when a cat was in the room? And the laser pointer is moving like in ridiculous ways because you can just like move the light and the cat's just like freaking out like, how is it doing this?
Starting point is 01:55:36 That's what we're doing right now. We're like, look at these ships. And it's probably like a guy with a flashlight. He's like, duh. No, you make that point with the plasma balls. Talking plasma balls talking plasma but but even even if it's like plasma whatever it is it could literally just be that they're in a plane and it's a high-powered visible laser moving and they're like how and then it disappears and they're like whoa it's like you're looking at a light dude right it's how is it moving so fast
Starting point is 01:55:58 and turning on a dime and going through clouds and it punched a hole in the clouds yeah high-powered laser how about the craft i'm really interested, like what are the materials that they make? Bob Lazar worked at Area 51. He saw, like according to him, like I don't know, nine different shapes of craft that apparently can move. And I have friends that are working – Jeremy Rist, the alien scientist working on anti-gravity. That's a real technology. Like if you create enough horizontal momentum, you can kind of negate vertical momentum and then move things up. So this idea of spinning things super fast can create the ability to lift.
Starting point is 01:56:28 I don't know. I don't know if air has anything to do with it. All right. Well, let's read a little bit more because I got to read this one. Michael Heilers says 458 SOCOM kills pretty much everything depending on range and load. If anyone's ever seen a 458 SOCOM, oh, yeah, they're massive. But, yeah, yeah, I guess so. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:56:51 Would a Sabo slug and a 12-gauge work on a Grizzly? I'd imagine it would. Oh, a Sabo. If we can talk about tanks, I can tell you a Sabo round would take out a Grizzly. Well, I can't show it on camera, but we'll just. What is a Sabo exactly? A Sabo round is the well that's one yeah we're not gonna i'll look at it but but a sabo round is the primary uh
Starting point is 01:57:11 i'm like showing you i can't switch the camera now it's a primary tank killing round and another tank uses uh it's an armored piercing fin stabilized discarding sabo round with tracer which essentially means sabo is the french word for for shoe. So essentially, it's a depleted uranium dirt. It's almost like a long... I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about a slug from a shotgun. No, I'm talking about the big Sabo. Yeah, so that would definitely take out the grizzly bear. That would take out a bear. But Sabo means shoe.
Starting point is 01:57:36 So it's encased, and when you shoot it, it breaks out, and the slug comes out. Do they always have tracers in them, or is that just the military versions? Well, this is a shotgun slug, so there's no tracer. But it's a polymer tip and it's going to put a 10-inch hole in something. I imagine it would harm a grizzly bear a great deal.
Starting point is 01:57:52 Yeah. At least I'd... The tank ground would definitively kill a grizzly bear. Yeah. A lot of people were saying... Yeah, someone says 12-gauge slug. Some people are saying 308. People are saying show it. This is YouTube. We can't. We can only talk about it. But to my right,
Starting point is 01:58:06 there's some fancy stuff. Oh man, if only you could see. Actually, there was a photo. People post photos when they go on the show and you can see them on Instagram. Luke got me a flintlock pistol. Beautiful.
Starting point is 01:58:16 Yeah, it's not an FFL item, I think. It's stunning. It should be on display somewhere. Yeah, it's not a regulated weapon, I think. It's on the screen. From like the colonial days? Or the pirate days? Yeah, something like that. I don't know how old it is. Yeah, it's not a regulated weapon, I think. From like the colonial days?
Starting point is 01:58:26 Yeah, something like that. I don't know how old it is. Oh, it's a replica, I think. All right, let's see what we got here. The Reaper Nation says, Hey Tim, would you ever consider having Donut Operator on the show? Yes, we would. Standing invite.
Starting point is 01:58:38 Absolutely. He seems great, actually. Kevin Robillard just posted a bunch of gorillas. Oh, yes. And we have a new shirt. This one's mostly for the skate park denizens. But if you go to TimCast.com and click store, we have stickers and shirts that it's the Gadsden snake wearing a beanie on a skateboard and says, don't snake me, bro. So it's a play on, obviously, don't tread on me and also don't tase me, bro. And it's don't snake me bro so it's a play on obviously don't tread on me and also don't tase me bro and it's don't snake me so in snake is a verb in in skateboarding or whatever
Starting point is 01:59:11 skate park culture everybody kind of waits their turn so there will be like a rail and one at a time people will take their turn and you kind of just you know i'm gonna sit back it's it's very anarchic it's very anarchist you know you're letting people sort of do their thing but eventually someone just barges in and snakes you it's when you're about to go and they just cut you off and go and you're like bro don't snake me dude so we made shirts and it's a little that is the one piece of swag i must have at some point someday i want to get i'm gonna get a bunch of the stickers yeah but a lot i posted it and a bunch of skateboarders are hitting me up on instagram and they're like yes i, I want the shirt.
Starting point is 01:59:45 Like you're wearing in the skate park. Don't snake me, bro. Yeah, because they do it, man. They do it. The don't tase me, bro. Videos. Just one of them. Don't tase me, bro.
Starting point is 01:59:53 One of a kind. Those are the days. All right. Let's see what we got here. Trick God says tomorrow war. You forget that Pratt's generation would be useless to the present trying to prepare for a future war. Recall that the present still needs to fight. I saw the best meme ever.
Starting point is 02:00:12 It's Chris Pratt from the Tomorrow War holding his gun, which is a short-barreled rifle with magnification on it. And they're going through, like, why someone would be using this weapon. And then it's like someone from the i i can't break it down for you perfectly but it's like someone from the future comes to the pass and goes to a gun store and they're like we need weapons to fight a war and they're like okay so i'd imagine you're gonna want you know like an ar-15 you know uh standard no no i want a short barreled rifle okay so it's going to be what a short range nope he's like or then he's like okay so you're gonna want like a red dot. Nope.
Starting point is 02:00:45 Magnification. And they're like, huh? Okay, well, all right. So these things must be small and close. Nope.
Starting point is 02:00:52 They're massive. Oh my gosh. And, and they move around so fast that you'd never actually be able to see them in those circular, like magnification things. Cause you got to line it up. Yeah. I didn't,
Starting point is 02:01:03 I wasn't paying a close, but you don't really bothered me about that movie is the infinite bullets they had. They did not seem to have to reload very often. See, this is why I really like Stargate SG-1. They use P90s and they're often in
Starting point is 02:01:18 a lot of close quarter situations and they often are reloading. They actually explain P90s and the 50-round magazine. I think the Tomorrow War producers are not going to be your biggest fans after tonight. Or maybe bring a massive attention to you. I think it really just is. It's like in The Dark Knight.
Starting point is 02:01:43 What did Harvey Dent say? The Batman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's filmed in The Dark Knight What did Harvey Dent say? He is The Batman? Yeah, yeah That's filmed in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania So when he's talking to the guy in court And then the guy's like I'm the real mastermind
Starting point is 02:01:54 You know, whatever the guy's name is A fall guy Then Harvey Dent walks up to him And he pulls out the gun It clicks And then Harvey grabs the gun Disassembles it And then he says like
Starting point is 02:02:03 Chinese made 28 caliber If you want to assassinate a USD I suggest you buy American It clicks, and then Harvey grabs the gun, disassembles it, and then he says, like, Chinese-made,.28 caliber. If you want to assassinate a USD, I suggest you buy American. But I think he said.28 caliber or something, and I saw that. And before I knew anything about guns, it never meant anything to me. Then I rewatched it, and I heard him say that, and I was like,.28? Is that what he said? I looked it up, and all I found were forums of people saying like what what is this like why would wait why would they do that and some people
Starting point is 02:02:30 speculated the producers did it on purpose like purposefully like a 555 phone number no like they knew gun people would make a thing of it don't you also think with some of the movies that are on uh let's say the streaming platforms like Netflix and Amazon that sometimes they're trying to get the content out so fast that they don't put the same kind of time into things that they used to. I think that's what happened with The Tomorrow War. That was a conclusion I reached because I watched it too. And I reached a lot of the same conclusions Tim did. And I was watching it.
Starting point is 02:02:56 I was like, I bet Tim is overanalyzing every single bit of this stupid movie. But at least Chris Pratt is in it. That's why I watched it. That is true and correct. Oh, I saw this movie. Some Roman show about the Romans and they were like handling. They were getting charged by the barbarians and they were like Testudo and they all went into their
Starting point is 02:03:12 their arrow protection Testudo turtle form. Yeah I like that. It's not how you handle a charge at all. You get wiped out if you're in Testudo formation. So then the charge came and they were like falling on top of their. And all the comments like what? Who? What historian is on staff with this movie crew that told them a test so we've got it we've got a pretty tough question for you before before we sign off i was surprised
Starting point is 02:03:34 there wasn't one yet but oh no there's a bunch of them but i'm just you're being very diplomatic thank you yeah yeah but this one of course pertaining to kyle rittenhouse and uh i a lot of people want to know they say that you've been accused of taking money from Kyle Rittenhouse, and they'd like to know if you have a response. So that's completely untrue, and I'm just going to leave it at that because there could be pending litigation about that. But that's completely 1,000 percent untrue. I would never do such a thing, and I wish nothing but the best for Kyle. He's completely innocent and needs to be acquitted. I do want to say one thing to a lot of people too that you need to understand and I'll throw
Starting point is 02:04:06 a reference to Carl Benjamin and Akilah Hughes' lawsuit. Sargon of Akal, you may know him, he got sued and he kept his mouth shut about what was going on and let the courts handle it. Ultimately, he won. I'm not saying anything about this or whatever that case may be, but I think there's something to be said for people who say, I'm going to keep it quiet. We're going to let the courts figure things out.
Starting point is 02:04:29 And for people who go on social media and start saying, this is what happens, this is what happens, this is what happened. Not to say anybody's right or wrong, but I think it's important that especially in things like this,
Starting point is 02:04:38 look, I'll just put it this way. I've got my fair share of litigation and I never talk about it. And people try to drag me into it. You can't, you don't bring it up fool it is a foolish move to get into that stuff publicly don't do it but uh a lot of people were of course asking it so we're gonna save that one for for last before we sign off um we don't we don't shy away from from the hard questions I read people smack talking me I try to as well because we want to keep it real I guess so uh
Starting point is 02:05:02 yeah everybody who who watched and hang out these Friday nights, we really do appreciate it. Make sure you smash that like button, subscribe to this show and become a member at TimCast.com because, boy, are we expanding. The new website is so cool. I wish I could just put it up now because of how amazing it looks, but we're getting there. We're getting there
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Starting point is 02:05:42 So I think this is the best episode ever. This is the best vlog we've ever done. It's the 4th of July special. We're on boats. There's animation in it. I'm super excited for this. Kent, who does all the editing work and everything, just hit this one out of the park. So definitely make sure you go to YouTube.com slash Cast Castle.
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Starting point is 02:06:14 Did you want to shout anything out, John? No. Look, it was awesome to be here, of course. Please go to nclu.com. We need support to help people whose constitutional rights are being violated. We really, really do. So thank you for having me. It's great fun.
Starting point is 02:06:28 If people want to get in touch with you, to work with you, what's the best way for them to get in touch with you? Sure. So on Twitter, I am CaliKidJMP. If they're interested in supporting the NCLU, they can go to NCLU.com. They can reach out to the email address, info ncou.com and we'll receive those it's really good talking to you man thanks for having me thank you so much you guys can follow me at iancrossland.net and hit me up at iancrossland on social media looking forward to talking to you thank you guys all very much for hanging out on this friday night instead of going and doing fun
Starting point is 02:06:58 crazy stuff i know it's super hot so stay safe you guys are more than welcome to follow me on twitter at sour patch lids as i attempt to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids. We definitely need to do a show on comics, video games, and culture. I got so much to say about Tomorrow War. We're going to go... Games and D&D.
Starting point is 02:07:17 We're planning on doing a D&D show for sure. A weekly D&D show is going to be a blast. We actually talked about this a while ago about finding a dungeon master to help put together really interesting scenarios. Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah, that's my generation. But there's interesting things we can do with it in terms of politics,
Starting point is 02:07:33 like having someone drop a scenario pertaining to American political conflict, but in a D&D kind of game. Tomorrow we're going to go see Black Widow. It came out, I think, today. It was a midnight showing. And there's so much I'm going to have to say about it. We got to put together a new podcast for culture and stuff, too. So we got a lot coming.
Starting point is 02:07:50 It's all thanks to all of you who are members at TimCast.com. The site is expanding rapidly. And everyone who signs up, when that money comes in, I just think about how many more people we're going to hire to do awesome stuff. And so thank you very much. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you all next time. Bye, guys.

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