Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #338 - BLM Harassment Results In Man Taking Own Life, Family Sues w/Richie McGinniss

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join investigative on-the-ground journalist for the Daily Caller Richie McGinniss to examine the recent case of the family of a man who committed suicide after being hounded by BLM activists and their search for justice, Richie's own experience with media smears, the ten stages of genocide as described in a memeable image, the Fourth Turning's possible impact on current culture, Minnesota fourth-graders who were told by their teacher NOT to tell their parents about the CRT curriculum they were being taught, and whether government's failure will lead to a stronger libertarian mindset. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

During the riots last year, there was a man. It's a brutal story. I got to be honest. There was a man who was attending to his bar. There's a group of people who are smashing windows. This guy goes out. His name was Jake Gardner. They attack his dad, and then he tells him to back off.

He shows him that he's got a gun. One guy attacks him, gets him on the ground, is choking him. This dude fires in self-defense. Initially, the prosecution said, the prosecutors, is choking him. This dude fires in self-defense. Initially, the prosecution said, the prosecutors, the county said that it was the self-defense. But then the protesters came out and there were threats of riots. And this, I think, is interesting. This is very much a precursor to what we saw with Chauvin. And we need to pay attention to this stuff. Because of the protesters and because of the threats of riots and the fear

of violence and damage, they decided to actually criminally charge this guy who was on the ground being choked, who was defending himself, who had warned this group, this group who was rioting. The guy ended up taking his own life. And now we have an exclusive story from Tim Kast. He is filing his family, sorry, is filing a wrongful death suit, arguing that the defendants in the case conspired to deprive him of his rights. We need to pay attention to things like that, because what ended up happening was Chauvin. One of the jurors came out and said, I feared retaliation. They'd come to my house.

These jurors were being escorted into the building with armed police because of the riots and the violence. Not too far from the court, one of the jurors actually lived where riots were currently occurring. Now, there's real concern over what might end up happening with the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse. So we're going to get into this. We'll talk a lot about what's going on with that. We've got a protest that happened outside of the White House because you've got a lot of people who want the U.S. government to intervene to help Cuba. Plus, we've got Joe Biden just losing his absolute mind and uh we're getting into it so uh joining us today is one of the foremost experts on the protests and the riots over the past you

know year or so is richard mcginnis foremost i like that word i mean bro i don't know about expert but foremost i like foremost expert you were at almost every single major i was at the front i was foremost i don't know foremost yeah you're literally just the front you have no idea what's going on the whole time, but you're just standing there like, I'm in the front. Wide angle. No, no, no. Let's be real. I mean, every time there's a big major breaking story around these riots or what's happening,

you were there. And then we'd have you come on and you'd talk about what happened. And so, yeah, man. Foremost expert. Actually, my coworker, shout out to Vince Colonese. And I'll just do a quick plug for vince and jason save the nation our new show on daily color anyways um he said that i forest gump the year and i thought that was kind of funny because forest gump kind of just like

happened to be at all these events you know he just kind of stumbled through it and that's kind of how i felt which is just like we were just kind of going on hunches the whole time i've got to do it we don't normally do this but someone just super chatted us right now, and it's big, and it's, what is it? Legima Thygian or whatever. But they said Jaffa Cree, Ian Cree. And shout out for the Stargate reference because I've been watching mad Stargate lately.

So anyway, welcome, Richie. We got Ian. He's chilling. What's up, everybody? Ian Jaffa Cree. Jaffa Cree. Did it change you? I don't speak Stargate.

Going through this last year, you don't speak Stargate? You want to learn? Not yet. I just started watching it recently. They do like three episodes a day on Comet. That show's amazing. Stargate's a good show. Yeah, incredible theme.

Did it change you going through seeing all these riots this last year? Yeah, I think it changed my perspective. I mean, I don't think it changed me, myself, you know, like who I am. But I think certainly the way that I view not only, you know, the United States, but also just the way our media functions definitely changed my perspectives. I'll ask you more about it after the intro. For sure. Thanks, Richie. I'm glad you're here.

I'm also here in the corner. Sorry to cut you off there, Ian. I'm glad you're here. I'm also here in the corner. Sorry to cut you off there, Ian. I'm very excited. I always enjoy when Richie has something to add because he always sees the most interesting things in the world. So I'm stoked to hear what he's got to say tonight. Before we get started, my friends, go to TimCast.com, become a member, and you'll

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And did I say smash that like button? Because I'll say it twice. Let's get into that first story. We have an exclusive for TimCast.com from Cassandra Fairbanks. Family of Jake Gardner files wrongful death lawsuit against county, special prosecutor, and attorney general's office. I just want to read the opening of this because it's a very serious and very important story. Cassandra writes,

The parents of a Nebraska bar owner that committed suicide after a fatal altercation with violent rioters have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the county, the attorney general, two unnamed detectives, and the special prosecutor in the case. Gardner, 38, shot and killed a rioter who was attacking him, his elderly father, and his business during last summer's Black Lives Matter riots. Prior to his suicide, he was indicted by a grand jury on counts of manslaughter, use of a firearm in the commission of a felony, attempted first-degree assault, and making terroristic threats,

but only after intense political pressure was placed on the city. The lawsuit accuses the plaintiffs of conspiring to deprive Gardner of his right to a fair trial in due process, deprivation of Sixth Amendment rights, deprivation of Fourteenth Amendment rights, a Brady Rule violation, wrongful death, and failing to prevent the deprivation of his rights. Gardner was a Marine and veteran of deployments to Iraq and Haiti. He described himself as a libertarian, but voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and volunteered for his campaign in three states. The district attorney had originally ruled that the shooting was self-defense. On May 30th, Gardner confronted a group of rioters outside one of the bars he owned in Omaha called The Hive.

One of them had just violently attacked his 70-year-old father, which was captured on surveillance footage. During the chaos, Gardner was knocked to the ground. The veteran fired a warning shot and attempted to back away. The situation took a tragic turn. After 22-year-old rioter James Scurlock jumped on his back and began choking him. The veteran could be heard pleading with his assailant saying, get off me, get off me, please get off me. According to the lawsuit, the choking lasted at least 18 seconds before Gardner fatally shot Scurlock. Scurlock had repeatedly broken windows at Gardner's bar and other businesses

in the area earlier that evening. Still, the fatal shooting sparked even more rioting in the city, which escalated after Donald Klein, the Douglas County attorney, determined that Gardner had acted in self-defense and declined to bring charges. In what appeared to be a political move to quell the riots, Douglas County District Attorney Shelley Stratman appointed Special Prosecutor Frederick D. Franklin to handle the case, though the court said that they expected the same outcome. Franklin is president of the Midlands Bar Association, an organization for black-only attorneys. The lawsuit notes the special prosecutor had heavily implied Gardner was a racist when he announced the charges.

At the height of the racial tension in the nation, by saying the decision was not made because he, quote, may or may not have been a racist because being racist is not against the law. Yikes, man. There were no hints of racism in the Gardner messages, in Gardner's message or messages or reasons for Franklin to imply that he was, that there was. The special prosecutor inflamed people so much that Gardner received more than 1,600 death threats that week. His family was also forced to move out of the state for fear of their own safety. Now, the story goes on a bit more. There's statements from the lawyer involved. But I

want to point out something really important as we move through the next bit of stories. This guy got 1,600 death threats. I'm fairly convinced none of those people will face any kind of repercussion for those death threats. But you know for a fact, if the person was in any way anti-establishment, right-wing, or populist, then that would have been all over the news as the extremists are coming, et cetera, et cetera. I got to say, this story is nightmarish. It's coming back up because of this lawsuit, but here's the guy who begs, get off me. He had already warned him several times. Those warnings,

terroristic threats. So say the state, the prosecutor telling someone like back away, you know, I'm armed. That's making threats. That's terroristic threats. Things look, uh, I don't know. They look fairly dark, I suppose. Now, to be fair, this happened, you know, last year and the lawsuit is bringing this back up. So I don't want to act like we're seeing more of this kind of thing. Specifically, we haven't had the level of riots we had during the George Floyd riots. But you take a look at the Chauvin case, which wasn't that long ago. And you get riots and, you know, the jurors are scared of retaliation. I think more than one juror said that they were scared, right?

Do you guys remember? I know there was one alternate. I heard that. And I think there was another guy who said, like, yeah, there were two of them. And now we have the Rittenhouse trial coming up i i am not convinced rittenhouse will get a fair trial and a lot of people have said that they think he will and i'm like why would why would anybody go up against this machine where you can send these people can send all these death threats and nothing bad happens to them that they can go around these people are

literally destroying buildings and attacking people and and they're called the victims. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man. It's kind of an example of how law is one thing, but you've got to kind of put the law aside when you're looking at what's going on right now around the world. Violence is the last resort. Absolute last, last desperation resort. You do not do it because if you do it, court of public opinion goes

after you. You see 1,600 people issued this guy death threats. 1,600 people. They were going to go. Well, he received 1,600 death threats. Maybe some of them were dollars. Yeah, as far as he was concerned, his life was over, so he took his own life. That was without the legal system. I mean, obviously, the legal system was busting this guy's balls, too.

I mean, I think the common thread here is that it's the politicization of our reality and in violent instances is where it's the most maybe pronounced. But like, I mean, just look at, obviously, all the COVID stuff. Yeah, sorry if I'm quiet there, folks. I'll get a little closer here.

There you go. With all the COVID stuff, I mean, there's, you know, if you want to talk about the quote-unquote lab leak hypothesis, that was politicized because, you know, Trump went one way and everybody else went the other. And so there was there was that one doctor who said it, that we initially dismissed this because it was Trump who said it. Am I allowed to say COVID on YouTube?

Yeah. Yeah. But be careful because if you say if you add the 19 afterwards, no, I'm kidding. They got weird rules. The rules are absolutely weird yeah i'm aware of them for sure i mean yeah the weird thing is like if biden farted in public and someone recorded it on their iphone that would become political because of why social media and if biden if biden voided his bowels because of his old age they would claim that

it's completely normal uh it's like oh it's not's not a big deal. It's a normal thing. Don't worry about it. You would get tens of thousands of views on Twitter, comments, retweets. I gotta be honest. They'd probably get banned. It's fake. It's manipulated. It's manipulated. He didn't actually avoid his bowels. He just took a dump. I'm wondering if we need to change the way our courts work. Because how can you get a fair

trial on this day and age? I gotta stress this point, man. I think the law is absolutely... Well, I shouldn't say absolutely because I'm exagger this point man i think the law is absolutely uh well i shouldn't say absolutely but i'm because i'm exaggerating but i think the law is very much so meaningless in a certain in a certain sense obviously we follow the laws we recognize what laws you know uh you know what the laws are to the best of our abilities there's a lot of laws people don't know about i was watching this video on uh never talking to cops and the guy points out it's a crime to accept like sea sea creatures like seafood or creatures or whatever from someone if they obtained it oh it's like

if it's illegal in another country to obtain it and they trade it to you you committed a crime in the u.s like there are laws that are really really weird right the problem is though we can follow the laws to the best of our abilities. We can live peacefully. We say, you know, violence is wrong. The issue, though, is it's cultural. If the law is don't do X, but no one's willing to prosecute it, the law may as well not exist. Right. So if the law may as well right now be do not, you know, vandalism, destruction of private property is a crime, a felony, punishable by up to a year in jail or a class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail if you're right wing.

That's what it should say. Or it should say, you know, an exemption is included for anyone who toes the establishment line. Like the age old situation is if you have the mob, the crowd, the populace on your side, the court's going to side with you. They're going to get you off or they're going to prosecute who you want to prosecute. And if you know the judge, they're going to get you off. Sort of. I think that's how it kind of used to be.

Yeah. But knowing the judge was connections and access to resources. There's something that – there's two motivating factors here. One would be greed where the judge is like, oh, that's so-and kid. You know, if I could do him a favor. The other is fear. Oh, if I don't prosecute this guy, they're going to show up and burn my house down, whatever they say. So now we have a two-tiered justicism. You can call it a narco-tyranny, or you can call it something worse. You've got ideological courts, where they'll be like, well, they're protesting. Arrest the guy. Give him all the charges in the book. He's going to prison. And then when the death threats come

in, we don't care. No one's protesting that. So long as regular people, the politically homeless, conservatives, whatever, don't protest, they've lost their chance, in my opinion, to be completely honest, too. There was maybe a period five, six years ago where the right could have gone out and done big mass peaceful protests. Now you get a handful of guys to walk out with American flags and they'll scream the far right's coming, the far right's coming. The media will claim you're a white supremacist or a Nazi and they'll shut it down in two seconds.

How do you fix it? Do you get the jurors all over the world to port in on like video chat and listen to the trial and then vote anonymously? Well, I mean, I think it's the real problem here is that our court system everybody's so accessible now so like everybody's a public figure in some way you know so if you're if you're a juror or if you get doxxed you know basically people can access you and it's not fun getting death threats i mean 1500 of them is that's a lot of 1600 and i mean i've gotten maybe i don't know 100 something like that but like none of those none of those get taken seriously they don't go

after any of those people if they make you feel unsafe for sure just you know tangentially like you know there's a digital world and there's a real world but you think about the crossover and like you know i guess i guess the problem is if they started prosecuting stuff immediately, it maybe never would have gotten this far in the first place. Like they are letting it get worse and worse until I think there's going to be a snap. Like when regular people don't feel safe anymore and they just lose their mind. You know what I mean? It's like it's almost like enduring some kind of torture where every day you're inundated with these stories about violence against regular people, about how the justice system is against you. And then you just you don't feel safe. Right.

So there was this this report a while ago. It was talking about the Arab Spring. And I might be getting this wrong, but I believe that they basically said, like, there's there's three things that people need. And it's food, shelter, and security. They need to know. The security is their knowledge that they can exist, they can survive, they'll be able to live. They need a place to live, and they need to eat food. And if you take one of those things away in large enough numbers, you'll get a revolution.

So security is extremely important. The idea that people feel safe and secure and can trust that they won't be gulagged, I suppose. But that's going away. It's going away when you get to stories like this and you get everything we've seen now. I think the Rittenhouse thing is going to be really serious. You don't got to say anything. I'll say it. Actually, I'll quote Destiny. Destiny is a leftist. We had him on the show and he said it was the clearest case,

clearest cut case of self-defense he had ever seen. Kyle Rittenhouse and what happened. I obviously can't say anything on that because, but playing the role of witness makes you acutely aware. I mean, because that's a role. Your role is to say what

you saw and not inject, you know, any opinion on that. And just like based on the media coverage that happened after Kenosha, I was, I was viewed one way or another by this group or that. And by the way, I'm no friend of either side because I'm also a victim in that case. Well, let's talk about January 6th. You can talk. Yeah. So we can't talk about, we can say why you can't talk about Rittenhouse, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a pending case and I'm a witness.

Right. So we can get to the point of this by talking about something else, January 6th, where the New York Times, they called you a writer. They did. In print. They printed it. Oh wait, there was a correction that was like a number of pages later. You open up the New York Times magazine and I can just imagine my friends parents at home just

it's a nice Sunday. Richie! Oh my god! Actually, you know what? I'll take a death threat over. I got called Yashara Lee posted a thread of photos of what that guy. And I'm not going to name the photographer. You know who you are. You know what you saw.

And you saw me looking for my phone. And that caption still went in there calling me a rioter who punched a door. And they issued two corrections. And this is still outstanding. New York Times. You should still be scared because what happened there was i because um of the way that i looked and because i'd just been pepper sprayed and because i had like you know wet hair and i was i looked desperate and i was they labeled me as something and Because that image. That image.

And I got called a meth head like 200 times. You have press credentials. Yeah, they got snatched from me that day. You're officially reporting and your phone falls. I have congressional press credentials. So I can go in there on any given day. And your phone falls and it's behind the door. Well, I thought it was behind the door.

So I was tapping on the window to ask the police it turned out the guy and that's the that's the most objectionable part of this whole situation is that there was another woman who was photographed two minutes later and it's actually time coded in the piece as two minutes later from my photo and she's got a maga hat on and she's crying and it says a woman was pepper sprayed they called me a rioter because i'm oh kn, knuckle dragon, Trump supporter. I look like that. And by the way, didn't vote for Trump. But I looked to be that way. They didn't do any research.

And by the way, they relied on my reporting after what happened in Kenosha. So they should have known. Let's say they didn't. You don't look like a Trump supporter. You look like a young white man. I look like a Neanderthal. They could frame it like you were some, you know, that's the narrative. And I look angry and there's a broken window.

And even though I was tapping on it with one finger saying, please, officers, can you look for my phone at your feet? And they were all obliging, by the way. And they were looking down and they were, I was like, yeah, right there. Is it down there? Tapping. Oh, I punched the door. So this photojournalist, they're the one who lied. I don't know.

I don't know what the editorial process was. I don't know who it was that wrote the caption because in some news outlets, sometimes editors write the captions. They edit the captions. But there's a way to find out. There is a way to find out, and I can go that route. I just have to wait for my Dogecoin to go a little higher. And it's bumping right now.

So there's one of two scenarios here. This is really important to the conversation. Either the photojournalist on scene who saw what happened lied because he wanted that juicy photo. Look what I got. Oh, I got that guy at the window. Even though they knew that's not what happened, he lied. Or maybe he didn't. Maybe the editor said, hey, it looks like a writer.

I'll write that down and did not fact check. Yeah. But here's the thing is, I don't know when the photographer found out what that caption was, but my point is, is that he was there two minutes later when that woman was photographed and I was gone from that space. And here's what happened. Right after I tapped on the window, every cop was looking down. There were like 10 cops on the other side of that door. And I looked so desperate that they actually obliged. And then

this guy tapped me on the shoulder, said, yo, man, I got kicked back here. I hugged him. I said, thank you so much to all the cops. I went down the line and then I said, thank you to everybody. I said, please, everybody be safe. I'm out of here. I'm done for the day. And I'm not kidding. People were clapping. They were like, oh, this guy found his phone. Like he looked so desperate and sad. And now he found it. They were clapping. And I hugged the guy. I said, can I hug you? And he said, yeah.

And so it was a scene. It was a true, like, anybody who was there saw it. And so I don't know if he was looking down at his freaking camera or whatever he was doing. But I want to find out. Media organizations are putting out fake news, making it impossible for us to know what is really going on. And so I had a really long conversation. That's what lawsuits are for. Yeah, but who can afford $100,000?

And then the New York Times puts a bunch of their high-powered, multimillion-dollar lawyers on it and gets it crushed. They say, oh, it was an opinion. Doge is bumping right now. Doge is bumping, I guess. I was talking to a friend, man. It's not $100,000, it can't get there very quickly it's crazy how many people there are that don't know what is going on in any capacity because they only absorb news passively so they turn on they were the new york times

yeah like my friend's parents and they and they said i look like a terrorist and i can never you know and that's like you know what my dad taught me to to stand tall and that's what i'm gonna have to do here because i'm not gonna let those guys stomp on me like that because they think i look some way you look at the story the segment we were just talking about before this one the uh the gardener you know jake gardener he took his own life the mob was coming after him you see what happens when the media falsely frames thing it makes them money to get the mob all angry and you know what man they don't care don't care that they burn the system down. I genuinely believe.

I had a long conversation with Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, mostly Peter Boghossian. They're the guys from the – and Helen Pluckrose. They were the crew that did the Subtle Squared Hoax. But I was mostly talking to Peter Boghossian about how I think the media is the problem. And he said he thought it was the universities, talking about critical race theory, wokeness, the conflict and everything. And I was like, it is – i'm not saying it's not i know critical race theory came out of universities but it only found its path to the mainstream because of social media algorithms and media manipulation then you look at the belt the curve of all all of a sudden you

see all these buzzwords appearing at lexus lexus nexus data showing like around 2010 the instances of the word racism skyrocket like a thousand percent ten thousand percent this is what opens the opens the door for all of this woke stuff from these universities but i will also concede as well that you had a lot of young people in universities now entering the workforce at a similar time being indoctrinated by these ideas. But I genuinely believe the door was opened because social media and news companies, there was this nexus event where social media was destroying news companies. Venture capitalist funded firms jumped in with no care in the world for fact checking or any credibility and started pumping out rage bait garbage on Facebook. Drives everybody insane. Now what's happened is you can see this.

The New York Times quickly realized in the mid 2010s, we can't compete with BuzzFeed. BuzzFeed can just say some crazy garbage and get a million clicks. We got to play that game too. So the New York Times gets on board. We see this when like that opinion editor guy, he was forced to resign because he published an op-ed from Tom Cotton, which was like standard procedure. But they're like, we're going to do – That was about the Insurrection Act. Right.

Yeah. And they're like, we're going to do whatever the audience wants to make money and we're going to pander. They hired that one woman, Sarah Jong, who was posting unrepentant racist things on Twitter for years. But you know what? Don't you think that we're now in a divergent society where, you know, like the Twitterati and corporate media are going in one direction and normal common sense people are going in another? And I just will say, like, the one thing I'll say about Kenosha, and I think that this is actually like a silver lining of kind of the obstacle course that I had to navigate in terms of dealing with the media after what

happened, just trying to say what I saw. So what happened was I went on Tucker because he asked me on first. He was the only, you know, right after the shooting, he said, you know, you want to see what happened. And so I explained on that show live to his whole audience, what I, what he told me he was there for Kyle Rittenhouse, why he was there, what he said, okay. What he told me he was there for Kyle Rittenhouse why he was there what he said okay what he told me CNN then took that in a report and I won't name the reporter but he said McGinnis supported the conservative claim that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense and so then I emailed CNN legal and I said um you made a misstatement about me. I relayed what the motivation of the shooter was. He told me 15 minutes before the shooting.

You were reporting. Yes, exactly. And so you can do one of two things. And this is America. And when you want to get something done, you just threaten to sue people. And I said, you can have me on to correct the record or prepare for court. And guess what? That reporter, I give him a lot of credit.

He had me he had me back on probably because the cnn guys went to the legal department said you better fix this or we're gonna you know and that was six minutes long that they did and you know what they did a very good job of covering the event after that fact so well good for them uh i worked for fusion which was the abc news univision joint venture i was in san jose and i was at this trump event there was a massive crowd running around beating people it was it was insane they were burnt many of them Univision joint venture. I was in San Jose and I was at this Trump event and there was a massive crowd running around beating people. It was insane. Many of them were Bernie supporters. I know because some of them were carrying Bernie swag and said they were. And incidentally,

that's incidental. This guy comes out and he's cheering. He's like, yeah, Trump. And they're all screaming at him, spitting on him. He just keeps walking. He turns the corner. Someone runs up with a heavy bag and smacks him in the head with it. He starts bleeding and I'm felt, I run up, I'm filming the whole thing. I, he, he starts crossing the street. The police escorted my chase, chase him up, chase, chase him down. You know, I'm running after him. I'm like, Hey, can I, can you tell me what happened? And I'm filming. So I get this very short clip where he's like, I'm just walking and someone hits me. The video gets like a million views in less than a day. I, we, the PR team, I believe it was PR than a day i we the pr team i believe it was

pr at uh fusion immediately got hit up by fox news can your can we have your reporter come on and tell us what happened the the higher ups messaged me like hey do you want to go like we do pr do you want to go on kavuto and i was like what's that like fox news and i was like should i i'm like it's fox news like and they're like yeah you should totally do it and i was like, what's that? I'm like, Fox News. And I was like, should I? I'm like, it's Fox News. And they're like, yeah, yeah, you should totally do it. And I was like, okay. So I go on Fox News and talk about what happened. I'm like, yeah, hit with the bag. We don't know what it was.

And then people at the company, after seeing that I went on Fox News, called me a white supremacist. I'm like, but they told me to do it. See, the people who are running the company didn't know what they were really supporting when they hired young, psychotic, woke cult members. They were just like, it's young activists. So when in their Gen X or mines, they were like doing PR is normal. We don't care if he goes on Fox News. But they didn't realize that the tribalism of the younger millennials and the older Gen Z was if you dare go on and talk to any of these people, you are them or worse. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Don't you think there's a flip side, too, though, where there's like if you're on CNN, you're a communist or MSNBC? Absolutely not. No? Absolutely not. Politics only flows in one direction. If a right-wing person goes and meets up with a left-wing person, they call the left-wing person right-wing. There's no – like a left-wing person can go to a MAGA event and they're like, he's actually right-wing person, right-wing. There's no, like, a left-wing person can go to a MAGA event, and they're like, he's actually right-wing.

A right-wing person can go to a left-wing event, and they'll be like, the event was actually right-wing. We put on an event called Ending Violence, it was a meeting of the minds or whatever, Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism, and we had Daryl Davis, the famed, like, activist who got 200-plus Klansmen to quit the Klan. He was our headline speaker. And they claimed, because we had some right-wing people, it was a far-right event of

racists. So even if you have Daryl Davis and prominent... We had leftists. We had social justice activists. They showed up. The whole event was far-right. They threatened to burn down the theater. The theater canceled on us. We had to move it to a casino in order to hold it, and we ended up losing half our capacity. And we had sold out, so we had lost a ton. And what do you do? You threaten to sue? Well, I think that's the point, is you have to attack the gatekeepers, right? And the gatekeepers of the way that people, especially after all the lockdowns, the way that people interpret reality is through the media. And so if something is being

interpreted, something that's happening in reality is being interpreted incorrectly, you go to the people who put that forth. So you call me this, you call me a rioter. How did that happen? I got two corrections out of the New York Times. It wasn't enough because they still printed the fact that I was a rioter and put corrections behind it. Want to know why? Because it's more expensive to reprint. Right. And my reputation was worth, I don't know, what was it worth?

I darn well would like to find out because that was the sole reason why they didn't reprint the actual caption in print. You're going to sue them? I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to get to the bottom of it. I think you should talk to Veritas. No, I don't think I should at all

because they're partisan actors in my mind. All right. And I want to approach this from the direction of truth and not from some kind of ideological side. And I'm not like, oh, take down the New York slimes because they're all commies or whatever.

I think that this is... Well, Veritas wouldn't say that. No, I know. But I understand their views of partisan actors. I think that this is... Well, Veritas wouldn't say that. No, I know. But I understand their views of partisanism. I'm being hyperbolic, but they're viewed as a certain thing by the greater media,

and I'd rather come at it as just an individual who's trying to stand tall for myself. You got to do it. You know what? Whatever. Maybe I'm young enough to enter financial ruin

for the sake of the truth. I got to be honest. I think I'd settle with you. Well, I don't care. What I want them to know is that I'm willing to go the distance in order to get to the bottom of what happened. And so if they want to settle to just set that aside, I don't know if I'm interested in that. There's an interesting tweet that I saw from Jack Posobiec. I saw it from Lucard Kasky.

I saw it from Mike Cernovich. The 10 stages of genocide. Have you seen this graphic at all? Have you seen it? All right. So Jack Posobiec said, assess. And it's a graphic that has 10 steps. It has the 10 stages of genocide.

Let me read them. Number one, classification. People are divided into us and them. Number two, symbolization. People are forced to identify themselves. Number three, discrimination. People begin to face systematic discrimination. Four, dehumanization.

People equated with animals, vermin, or diseases. Five, organization. The government creates specific groups to enforce the policies. Six, polarization. The government broadcasts propaganda to turn the populace against the group. Seven, polarization. The government broadcasts propaganda to turn the populace against the group. Seven, preparation. Official action to remove and relocate people. Eight is persecution. The beginning of murders, theft of property, trial massacres. Nine is extermination, wholesale elimination of the group. It is not extermination and it is extermination and not

murder because people are not considered human. And 10 is denial. The government denies it has committed any crime. So Mike Cernovich shared this. Many people are sharing it and they're asking where you think we are. Mike Cernovich's post said 6.5, just before 7, that we are just about to see official action to remove and relocate people. I saw many people responding to the meme saying they think we're at between six or seven. I'm not entirely sure I'm convinced. I think

people might be really hyping things up. Like I, I, I understand there's like the, a lopsided justice system right now. I understand there's problems, but to say we're just about to see official action to remove a group of people, I think that's going a little bit too far from a lot of these personalities. I mean, what do you guys think? Somewhere between three and six. We didn't form an organization to take care of these people. The Capitol Police. Well, that was already formed.

They're expanding it. They're becoming a new intelligence agency, and they're going nationwide. Right. That's why I said between, because it's not officially a new organization to do that. Well, that's semantics, bro. It's not officially a new organization to do that well that's semantics come on the current organization that's semantics like they didn't build the republican extermination fund or anything do you know what the secret service is tasked with doing i have no idea tracking counterfeit u.s dollars did you know that no what did you think they did

guarded the president that's right because that was that was dude the department of energy the department of energy is like the biggest weapons program i learned that in wild west that's where i learned that fact about the secret service yeah yeah they did it was counterfeiting and so great so of course i say that's that's that's a semantic argument the the argument put forth by mike which was the capitol police are becoming a local police a federal police agency just for the for the for the dc but now they're going to operate at California, Florida. Look, man, you see these things, and I talked about this in Chicago. They'll knock the whole building down except for just the facade and claim it's the same

building. But everybody knows it's not the same building. The law is so long as one wall stands, it legally is. So the floors are different, the size is different, and it's like a weird looking building with this tiny like two-story front brick frame, and there's a steel building behind it or something ridiculous. So anyway, but I don't completely disagree with you, Ian. It's a broad stretch to say between three and six. So the first thing I'll point out is classification. Obviously, we're all divided

between us and them in a lot of different ways. The left, the right, the far right, whatever. Who's being forced to identify themselves? Is anybody forced to do it? I'm not that worried. I mean, this is America. I think we'll figure it out. They've got the pronouns in the Twitter bio, but it's not your actual physical well-being more so as it's like your ability to operate in polite society. Right. As you know, somebody who's like, you know, if you lose PayPal, if you lose any access to banks and stuff like that.

I mean, and that's I mean, you heard about what's going on, right? There was an announcement from PayPal working with the ADL to weed out extremist transactions. And then Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter announced that they're going to be targeting, what do they say, attacker manifestos in the far right, including the Proud Boys content. So Proud Boys content is now like to be purged. So they're not just talking about censorship. Now they're talking about financial restrictions

and censorship. And they're playing this game of the far right. So all that needs to happen is a long enough campaign where enough media outlets call you far right. And then they can say, oh, but look, it's here. He's far right. Everyone knows it. Someone, I think it was a Democratic politician, tweeted out that people were vermin. Did you guys see that last week?

Bro, they say maggots all day. Yeah, maggots and vermin. That's the dehumanization and then the extermination. It's not murder if they're rats, you know. Or maggots. But don't you think it's so like, I mean, I've had both experiences, which is I've had reporters reach out to me

about Kenosha, for example, and get totally, like talk to them for hours and had them totally manipulate what I said, you know, for their own agenda. But then I've also had, you know, situations where like Huffington Post and a New Yorker article that just came out by Paige Williams. I talked to her at length, and she didn't put that qualifier right-wing daily caller in there.

And I talked to her afterwards, and she said, yeah, because I talked to you. Well, they're real journalists. Yeah. I mean, my point is that it's not like this monolith of just bad people in the corporate media. I think if you really make an effort to actually extend your hand and try to tell your truth to those people rather than just shutting yourself down and say, no, no, no, no, you have this agenda and I'm not going to talk to you. Sure, you might fall on your face a couple of times and the intercept might put a hit piece out on you. Yeah, this is funny. At least you're trying. And I think some good comes of that.

The SPLC hit me up and asked for a statement, and so I wrote a really long statement. And I was like, I genuinely think that Jack Dorsey's stated intention is to have basically everyone be on these platforms, even people we all kind of disagree shouldn't – we all kind of agree shouldn't be. be like there's there's there are free speech free speech absolutists but you know there's like certain things you shouldn't be posting on social media like images of you know i'll just i'll leave it at that and i was like jack dorsey told me that his goal is immutable social media that he wants to make blockchain social media so nothing can ever be taken down and i'm like bro that's that's way over the top like i'm not asking for that i'm just like let people have political opinions you don't ban him for saying learn to code he's like not everything now i don't believe him or he doesn't have the power that he that people think he has in twitter but so this guy asks me and i basically

you know gave him a full honest opinion and he calls me a far-right reactionary i'm like bro if you actually and so what he did was there's a clever thing that i think he did to avoid looking like he's lying. He put my statement as an external link instead of including it in the piece. Because then when you go to it, you're like, oh, this guy's kind of moderate. You know what I mean? Like he's not really far left or anything. I think you tapped on a really important point right there, though.

And that goes back to what we were saying about, you know, are we at the point where, you know, people are being identified as groups and, you know, removed like physically? No. But and I like coach some like 20 somethings, you know, zoomers in hockey. And one thing I noticed is the degree to which you can say whatever you want to them in person. You can throw whatever words about you want and they won't really be phased. But if somebody says something about them digitally, it's like it consumes them. Even if it's just in a Snapchat, even if it's in Instagram comments or whatever, because that lives forever. And so if you Google whoever's name and this news outlet decides to say this,

that's immutable. And until something else becomes the top result, that's you. Yeah, that's a big problem with the, because what I've been looking at is they say culture, politics is downstream of culture. Big popular, I think it was Breitbart quote. Then I realized that,

well, culture is downstream of technology. So these technological algorithms that are supporting rage trash bait, like they say, Ian Crossland's a psychopath, and then that gets retweeted. So then that fortifies the algorithm. And then all of a sudden psychopath and ian crossland starts showing up that's why this digital statement is so much more powerful than a verbal statement because it's

feeding the technological problem they're a good example is uh some smear some gizmodo article this is really funny the left has like one video clip of me they love to regurgitate because like the only real thing i guess they have and it's from like a year and a half ago. And so Gizmodo wrote it up like a few months ago. And in this article where they take this clip out of context, they claim Tim Pool's mostly right wing audience. And then I'm like, what what does that mean? Like, did you pull them? Do you know who the audience is? And then what happened was a couple other outlets regurgitated the article and said the same thing exactly and then someone put it on my wikipedia tim pool's audience is mostly right wing well like i guess you know i don't

i don't know if it's still there or not but in the talk section section you can see them saying like something about just because someone says it an article doesn't mean it's true and they're like well then a couple like three articles three articles have all claimed it. So we're not the ones to investigate. If they say it's true, then we include it. And I'm like, yo, none of these people have actually asked my audience who they are, what they believe. And the Trump supporters, the diehard Trump supporters really don't like me over my reaction

to Joe Biden winning the election. It's like, we did a poll and, I think the biggest group was libertarian. Like the plurality was libertarian. And then like Trump supporters, moderates, and then liberals. And there were even some progressives. What about Kanye West voters? Oh, that's like 70%.

Like just everybody. No, no, but the point is, like what does it mean to be right wing? Are libertarians necessarily right wing? Not necessarily. I mean, what happened to the left libertarians, of which made up most of the young people in like the early 2010s, who are now the anti-SJW types? Oh, it's certainly shifting.

I mean, I think we're in the midst of a shift. So obviously, it's kind of up in the air right now. And it's a question of where the chips will fall. But what does left and right even mean? Nothing, man. Nothing. So here's the problem. You go to somebody and, you know, we had Steve bannon here steve bannon said he was far right and i was like

steve you just said tax the rich and he was like well i'm a populist and i'm like how is that that's why i've always been opposed to that kind of you know characterization i mean we have in america because of the two-party system we have a very binary way of like viewing our reality and it's like you know i growing up i don't think it was that much of an issue like it was never like oh you you know are you republican or a democrat and now it's like where do you fall i think jimmy what do you think of donald trump huh well if you if you like him you're do you like him how much do you like him he's a funny guy make america great again do you avow do you avow? He's a funny guy. Make America great again. Do you avow?

Do you avow January 6th? Avow. Yeah. Say it right now. Disavow. I disavow. That's my point, though, is everything has to be a lynchpin issue. You know what the weirdest thing about online arguments is?

It's like some leftists will come up and they'll be like, well, you're complaining about Black Lives Matter. Disavow January 6th. And I'll go, I disavow January 6th. It was awful. It was really bad bad and they're like well and it's really funny right now because a lot of conservatives are saying my body my choice over you know vaccine stuff and the left is like the pro-lifers have no idea what they're talking about and i'm like i've always been pro-choice and i think my body my choice pertains to all of it yeah they don't argue with me about it because they're like what do we say about that guy? Oh, he's consistent in his positioning.

I'm like, dude, it's because they don't understand what libertarian is. Right. I'm not gonna pretend to be like big out libertarian in any way. I'm just kind of like, I don't know. And you kind of should leave people alone, I guess. But you're right. I mean, it's a question of like cultural conservatism versus like, I would argue that, you know, Trumpian conservatism has less of that cultural aspect of conservatism. I don't think Trump is conservative.

Like, do we all we honestly say like what 20 years ago was Trump like anti-abortion? No, no. Democrat. Not at all. Yeah. Why is there a reform party? Exactly. Doing cocaine off of hookers.

Here's the dude's not conservative. He's populist. and so he got a lot of new people into the republican party but i want to go back to that splc thinks i mentioned this before i mentioned this the other day when they refer to me as a reactionary and then show my full statement where i'm like i said you know i said bigots have no place in polite society like bigots homophobes transphobes racists have no place in polite society. He includes that and says that's reactionary. It's like, okay, what you're really saying is that you're an insurrectionist. The Southern Poverty Law Center, these organizations and these activists are insurrectionists who want

a complete upheaval and overthrow of the US government because reactionary are the people who oppose the revolution. So you can have leftist values. You can believe in the progressive social justice cause. but if you tell them they're wrong for wanting to burn everything to the ground they'll call you a reactionary i literally come out like several times a month talking with people about health care and i'm like i think we need universal health care like a basic level maybe i've leaned away from it a little bit because of the the race-based vaccine rollouts and my concern is that if we have government-based health care and then the theists take over, they'll make everything race-based and then withhold health care from

people based there. That's scary. But that's not left wing. I can say tax the rich, not left wing. What is it? Do you support the upheaval and overthrow of American culture or don't you? Because if you like apple pie and baseball or whatever, you're a reactionary. You can believe in all the good social justice stuff. You can make a documentary about blockbusting and redlining and racism. Doesn't matter. Will you support the revolution? Yes or no. But don't you think to a certain extent, the quote unquote cultural revolution that you're referring to is mainstream now? Like, don't you think that the critique is now the mainstream insofar as like the majority of

people think that about apple pie and baseball that like you know america is corrupt and america is doomed to be racist and terrible forever i look at the polling and i think it's fair to say that the ultra woke make up a tiny percentage relatively but it's growing i think but in our media i think it's a different story in the media it's it's like 80%. The algorithms. It's caught the algorithm. So I'm not talking about like average everyday Americans because traveling around the country, that's not the case. I'm not so convinced because it's not necessarily – so look. I talked to – I'm talking to my friend and we're arguing about vaccine passports and requirements and stuff like that. I'll be light on the crux of the conversation because YouTube is ban happy. But suffice it to say, I said, I don't trust the government blindly.

You know, I'll consider what they say and consider the source. You always consider the source. I don't trust big pharma. I don't. And I don't understand why the left has come out in favor of a massive for profit venture to transfer tax funds to major pharmaceuticals. Yes. Instead of talking about real ways to help save lives through the health care system. That being said, I think vaccines are safe and effective. I absolutely do. And one thing I've absolutely stressed is that we've had like 360 million doses of the

vaccine. VAERS is serious. One of the VAERS reporting is serious. One of the problems is that when you censor the conversation, you freak people out. So this guy is coming at me arguing that by simply telling people to go talk to their own doctor about what's right for them and make sure the doctor, because I genuinely believe it's the right thing to do because people could have allergies or whatever. He's like, well, you're scaring people. And I'm like, dude, when did you become the champion of big pharma? Yeah, it's about the collective and not your individual decision. And that's the ultimate point.

The benefit of the collective over the individual and the primacy of the individual is the foundation. You know, the fact that every individual is inherited in the image of God. That's America right there. Exactly my point. So to go back to what we were talking about before I got into that, that was the idea that there could be something so innately leftist. Stop giving taxpayer funds to for profit pharmaceutical companies. And they actively defend it right now because it's for it's for their their their collective has formed a narrative that must be upheld at all costs.

That's why we're in a paradigm shift right now. This is the progressives or the corporatists now. Right. It's like my mom in the early late 60s, early 70s 70s in washington dc she was a progressive who was fighting again and i had this conversation with her the other day and i was just like yo ma like what's the you know what do you think about like you know these modern feminists these modern and she's like it's you know i can't say what she said because she's um because she's not family friendly nope and that's exactly what we're going back to what we were saying earlier is the critique has become the mainstream.

And so it's no longer revolutionary. And it's become stale. And guess what? Corporatized. It's like a corporate message now. Wait, wait, wait. You mean the activists is mainstream? Exactly.

So I'm saying that. I thought you were saying criticizing the woke was mainstream. No. Well, not yet. But I think that we're in the midst of a shift right now. But all I'm saying is that when my mom was protesting

in Washington, D.C., protesting the Vietnam War, that was very different from, I think, that was a fringe portion of the society. It was the young people who thought one way. And now the corporations think just like those young people who are out in the streets.

That's all I'm saying. This is the fourth turning. You're familiar with the fourth turning, right? Fourth turning? No? No. So, you know, it's the four seasons every 80 years. Yes.

Okay. Every 20 years you have a cycle. All right. So for those that aren't familiar. I forget there's a historian. Strauss-Howe generational theory. You've got the different seasons within it. There's four periods. They're about

20 years long each. What we're seeing right now with what you refer to as the paradigm shift, like your mom was counterculture, opposing the major corporations. Now the generation today, the young generation, is pro-corporate. Amazon's got their Black Lives Matter Netflix, all these big – there's a video game.

I can't remember what video game it was. It opened up and it said Black Lives Matter. Attacking the establishment has become the establishment in a very weird way. But this is why I say it's the fourth turning. When you had a youth – you had a culture of young people growing up being told to fight the power, fight the system, fight the man. Then when they all become adults and inherit the power, their worldview is still fight the power. So now they're in power telling everyone to fight the power, which leads us to the fourth season, the fourth turning. The great conflict is if you take an entire generation and tell them the system is broken and corrupt and you must fight back, they inherit the power and then start ripping it to shreds and gutting it.

You're going to get a crisis. Imagine you're driving in a car and some dude's actively like punching holes in the floor and trying to jam things against your driveshaft or something. You're going to crash. or something you're gonna crash but i think if we live in a flourishing fully functioning society then we actually raise people who are critical thinkers who are able to you know shed their old self and see uh you know a new truth or or change their perspective as they get older and like just like my mom did and you know sure and now what did she really well i think she did you know i think she had a certain way of viewing politics politics in the last five years that she's certainly changed. I mean, maybe as a byproduct of me being her son.

And my younger brother caught her on a work Zoom meeting. Yeah, so everybody knows that it's all just media narratives. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, mom, mom, mom. You can't. Come on. This is not for Zoom calls. I love it. It is, though.

My son told me this. So it really is. It's like hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times, weak men. Weak men, hard times, et cetera, et cetera. Because you have this period of like, look, the boomers, man. They were like hippies and protesters.

And now they're all leading these big corporations. And what happened? Do you know what I mean? Have you seen SLC Punk? That movie? Have you seen SLC Punkian? No. Oh, come on, you guys.

What's it about? It's about this guy in Salt Lake City. He's a punk. And then it ends with him wearing a suit. At a certain point, people accept the establishment. And it's really interesting to see how generations play a role in this. The children of the boomers, the echo boomers or the millennials. I like that word echo boomer.

People don't call millennials echo boomers, though. They inherited a lot of the anger and rage of the fight the man, F the system from their boomer parents. So they grow up with that instilled completely in them. And then when they inherit the system, the moment they do, they start doing all sorts of wacky, broken, effed up BS. Yeah. But so here's my question is if everything that you're saying about like,

why, why is fighting the system now supporting Joe Biden? Like where did burn, you know, where did Bernie go? Great question. So that's Bernie. Bernie.

Here's my point is how did that like revolutionary movement get completely hijacked and now like the wool is over everybody's eyes? Or are people actually awake to this and it's just our media is far removed from the way that everyone's like, wait a second. Collectivism, dude. Collectivism. I don't know. It's a weird – I think it's an amalgam of the generation assumes the power and becomes the establishment while telling everyone to fight the establishment, not really. It's them. And so then they target the not establishment.

Like Republicans have states. That's what they have. They control, what is it, 36 states or something like that. That's not the power paradigm to a certain extent. I mean it's powerful having that many states. If they get, I think, two more states states or whatever then they can have a constitutional convention but for the for the most part in this country universities movies video games federal level politics the democrats media too social media it's all left it's all progressive and that's what that's what ultimately compels

people to make decisions in their reality like government is one thing and you make a very concerted you know decision very like you go to the polls to vote for this person because I ideologically think this, but in terms of like, I have a friend who I'm not going to name similarly to why you wouldn't, but he has a wedding of actually his best friend's brother

in Canada, right? And it's coming up. And it's like, should I get vaccinated just to go to the wedding because my buddy's going to be sad if I don't. And everybody at that wedding is going to say, where is he?

You know? Oh, he's, he's not here. Cause he doesn't have the vaccine. He couldn't get over the border. Social pressure. And so then it's social,

it's social pressure. That's compelling you to make a medical decision. And that's, that's the problem I have with it. You know, and that, and that specific subject, like you got to talk to your doctor,

man, like this, the, he did. And yeah, it's doctor. Well, I got to talk to your doctor, man. He did. Yeah. It's doctor. Well, I'm not going to say what his doctor said. He made his decision. But that's what I told him.

All his friends were saying something different. Did he end up going? I think what's going to happen, and I don't want to say too much because I'm not sure. He's going to try to go without the, you know, situation and see what happens. Your doctor might try, man, like, yeah, like, look, you talk to a doctor and they might actually tell you you might be surprised. I can't believe there's so many people who don't trust their doctors, to be completely honest. Exactly. Well, here's the amount of people that are telling that individual, yo, like, I can't believe that you would do that, you know, because it's a medical, personal medical decision

that he's making. And it's becoming this, like, you're a bad person because you think because you're doing that. Yeah. When they talk about it's like the collective. Oh, what about everybody else with this genocide thing, splitting people into groups? I was thinking about the vaxxed and the non-vaxxed as opposed to the pronouns. Yes.

Yeah. The vaxxed and the non-vaxxed as opposed to the pronouns and it's not just maggots and like what you know liberals or whatever like they're like did you get the vaccine yeah what vaccine for what don't be so general don't be so tongue-in-cheek there's a funny crossover there between like the granola major lefties who are anti-vax for a certain reason right right the hippie crystal yeah exactly and so like it so like, it's a weird, like, you know, the Marianne Williamson supporters. Oh, people who want to live naturally and then the people that actually are afraid of the vaccine are like different types of people.

Anti-vaxxers were lefties, right? Left libertarians, man. This is what I can't stand when I go on political compass memes on Reddit. You ever see, it's a great subreddit, by the way. It's really funny. Political compass memes, because they rag on everybody.

But they keep claiming the libertarian left is Antifa and woke. And I'm like, that's not what the libertarian left is. The woke Antifa left are authoritarians who want to beat people. I mean, there was a video that was posted by Ford Fisher where there were guys outside of a medical facility. And they were anti-mask. They were like, don't wear masks. And Antifa showed up and started beating them

for not following state guidelines. That is not left libertarian. Left libertarians are like Marianne Williamson. They insult her. They called her the woo-woo crystal lady. And she was like, I don't have crystals. But you want to know what left libertarian is? It is the hippies who are like,

I eat tree bark because it cured my skin rash or whatever. Like they're the hippies, the weirdo, the crystal wearing. And look, Luke, we love Luke. But he wears crystals too. And he's like an ancap. Your bones are made of crystal. Hydroxyapatite. I bet your bones are made of graphene.

Or Ian's maybe. The point is left libertarians are these people. And the reason why they're adamantly opposed is for personal decision reasons for the most part. But they get mocked as kooky and crazy. And what's funny is whenever I bring up to – I was talking to a lefty friend of mine about lefty conspiracies. And, of course, I mentioned Russiagate and Ukrainegate and all this stuff. And they're like, well, I don't know,'t know man well we'll see that that's that that's still out uh you know we'll see what that we're waiting wait for the muller report to drop yeah

no but they they think that like muller will be revealed and i'm like bro this is blue and non-level stuff and then when i mention the lefty anti-vax people which were like the the preeminent anti-vaxxers to begin with they're like that's not true those people aren't left-wing and i'm like have you talked to them yeah they are like as lefty commune hippie flower wearing as you can get yeah i mean it's the same thing as the you know basically like this weird progressive support for the police state and the intelligence state and it's like yo i was like i grew up anti-bush anti-iraq war and as a result like anti-patriot act and like if like i were a true lefty i'd be supporting like the cia right now like what we we just watched south land tales you ever see it

no it was made in what year was it 2007 i don't know it's uh i think 2007 maybe 2006 and it was made by the guy who did donnie darko and it's it's like man you you guys got to check this movie out because it was written about a future not too distant future where like a nuclear war happens and then you've got the republicans who expand the patriot act and the democrats who have like there's like the rise of the neo-Marxist movement. It's just really fascinating to watch a movie from the mid-2000s to see where the liberals thought our society would go because, boy, were they wrong. They were like the Republicans were going to become authoritarian,

expanding the Patriot Act, all that stuff. And instead, what did we get? We got the reality TV star, real estate guy, who calls him a horse face on Twitter. Like, certainly not the same. He won't even call in the police to deal. He won't call in the Insurrection Act to deal with riots. In that movie, they actually had, like, special forces that were just shooting Marxists. Like, that's what these people thought was going to happen back then.

Didn't happen. So I got to ask, in this movie, was a Republican the president, or was a Democrat the president? Because Obama was elected, and then everyone was like, oh my gosh, this is such a great thing. I can't remember. I'm not a big fan of the movie, to be completely honest. I was kind of half-watching it. But it very much

so, it's got a ton of people, like Sarah Michelle Gellar's in it, Justin Timberlake's in it, The Rock's in it. Weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean William Scott, is that his name? He's in it, Justin Timberlake's in it, The Rock's in it. Weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean William Scott, is that his name? He's in it? Yeah, Stifler. Idiocracy is probably more prophetic than that. Definitely.

Yeah, Idiocracy for sure. You know, it's actually a great book. It was actually the last book that my dad ever gave me before he passed. Sorry. But it's significant in that respect because it's called Arrogance. And it's Bernard Goldberg, and it's the arrogance and it's um it's bernard goldberg and it's it's the sequel to bias but basically the subhead for that book is rescuing rescuing america from the media elite and in that book what he predicts is you know at that time in 2003 i think it was written

the nightly news was getting like 25 million views per broadcast and he's like that is all going to crumble and as it crumbles they'll be trying to cling to control of the narrative. And, I mean, that's really what we're witnessing. I mean, papers and, you know, the nightly news, cable news, it's all collapsing and they have to just, you know, trump up ratings. I mentioned this six years ago because the CEO of Vice said there was going to be a bloodbath in digital. He was like, it's not going to last. And the reason for it, in my opinion, was that a lot of these digital news outlets were doing this trick called – it was called like ads, ad rights – yeah, ad rights assignments, something like that. Here's what they would do. They would – you'd make a website, and we'll call it like superawesomenews.com or whatever.

Well, I shouldn't actually say a word. We'll call it just xnews.com. Wait, that's actually probably the name of a news organization. I'm pretty sure that is, yeah. Hypothetical, non-existent news organization. Perfect. And let's say it gets 10 million views per month. They want to sell ads.

But that's not a whole lot of traffic. Yeah. What they do is they license the rights to views from click farms so you'll get you know a generic click farm website that will be like look at all these pictures of you know tom cruise like smiling and then it'll it'll say like 25 photos of crazy celebrity photos and every time you click one it makes you reload a new page because that turns one person one article into 25 pages 25 pages dude it's like then here's what happens the news organization then buys the rights to those views and claims there are views and all of a sudden now this small news outlet is getting 100 million views per month crazy so so

you know he was saying there's gonna be a bloodbath i said these companies don't realize they're on the way out and their views, even cable TV, are going down, down, down every day. I know we saw a big spike because of Trump, but it's going down. They're bleeding. It's consolidating in a lot of ways. But it's like in order for The New York Times to survive, it must create more entropy around it than negates. To put it this way, you have a hundred million subscribers to news outlets nationwide through all the different local outlets but most people are canceling those subscriptions and the new york times is picking up only some of them everyone else is getting news for free from rage

bait trash so the new york times might see its subscribers go up a few million as the country sees total subscriptions go down they're going to lose their influence they're going to make good money and they're going to start thrashing about violently once they realize they're drowning. It's like when someone starts suffocating and they start just violently flailing and freaking out. That's what we're going to see from the media. That's what we are seeing from the media.

It's like if it's a boat that's sinking and they're looking around the ocean, all desperately scanning the horizon. They see far up in the distance some chaos. They zoom in on it. They copy it. And then they blast it out on the airwaves over and over and over again. It's this tiny dot in the far distance in one direction. But they're making it seem like it's the center focus.

Exactly. So I'll tell you what we get from this. I mentioned this when I did my algorithmic psychosis rant last week or whatever, that people end up growing up living in this world where the only news they get is that all cops are bad, all cops are racist. And it's because, like you said, Ian, they're looking in this vast ocean and they see this one tiny dot and it's the only thing they're showing to people.

Check out this story from the Daily Mail. Minnesota fourth graders are given equity survey on race and gender and are told by teacher not to skip questions, even if they don't understand them and not to tell their parents. Let me just show you one of the questions. Number 46. Do you currently identify yourself as female, male, transgender? Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex. For example, they were born male, but now identify as female or something else. And you can choose female, male, transgender, non-binary. Why is a fourth grader being told to, first of all, out themselves to teachers should they actually have a, you know, a trans or non-binary identity? Why are the kids being handed this stuff on equity

in the survey? Given this questions, what I think is these teachers, likely millennials, grew up getting exposed to the social media over the past 10 years, nothing but extremist content that generated rage. Their whole worldview was built on it. And now they're giving it to the kids. They are transferring that tenfold to children who are not going to have the same opportunity to have, you know, millennials didn't completely grow up on the internet. To a great deal they did, but I know a lot of people who didn't get internet until they were late teenagers. At least you had some opportunity to use a phone mounted to the wall, you know, a touch-tone phone or something.

Yeah, a T-man word. Yeah, right. It took you ten minutes to write one paragraph. These little kids are not only going to grow up on social media, being inundated with nothing but critical race applied principles, but they're going to be getting it from their teachers as well. And you know what? I can't remember. I can't remember who it was.

I should I should write down the quotes. But someone on the show said parents don't care about their children at all. And it's because and the example is that they're being sent off to institutionalized learning facilities where the parents don't know what they're being taught, don't know what they're being exposed to, and to a great deal don't care. A lot of parents do care. Steve Bannon's bet is that come August 15th, when the parents find out what's going on, they're going to lose it. But I think it's a really good point if you think about it. Parents say, I'm going to send my kids to school and then hope for the best. Now, by all means, I understand some people may have normalized this behavior. Some people probably get really offended by me saying this,

saying, Tim, you don't have kids, you know what you're talking about. But I can say this, if you are not at the very least actively asking your children, what is going on at school? Show me your assignments, show me your books. Then I don't think you really care what strangers- Or just spending time with them, God forbid. Well, yeah, but that's like, obviously, if you care about your kids, spend time with them. What I'm saying is, I get it.

Send your kids to school. I think there's issues. I think you should homeschool. I think we should do more of the pod learning. I was homeschooled quite a bit. I think if you were really concerned about what schools were doing to your kids,

you'd, for one, you'd pay a whole lot of attention to the school boards. You'd pay attention to the school curriculums, and a lot of parents do. I think a lot of parents don't, and that's probably why they're the more lefty Democrat voters. Don't you see, though, like don't you see pushback in American society right now against

what you're talking about? And like this goes back to what we're saying, critical theory is a critique, right? What do you mean by pushback? Well, I'm saying all of the school board meetings that are going viral and, you know, all these parents and these kids and teachers speaking out and the way in which this whole concept of critical race theory is a big conversation right now. And that's important. I agree. How many school board battles are there right now?

Well, that's how the tide turns, though. It's like we're at high tide right now and it's shifting. Do you know how many school board battles there are? I don't know. I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm genuinely asking if you are familiar because I don't have the answer. I have a general estimate. That's a good question.

I mean, we run them all the time because I think it's, you know, A, it's a government feed, so it's non-commercialized, so you can just run it as is. Have you guys seen any hard numbers on how many school boards are in? I've seen one article that mentioned it was like between 600 and 700 school school boards are in revolt how many are there in like total there are 85 uh i'm sorry 98 271 public grade schools as of between 2013 and 2014 98 000 so we hear these stories and we're like the parents are fighting back yes at how many schools out of the nearly hundred thousand schools are the kids the kids are all being indoctrinated i tell you this right now that fourth grader is what nine years old yeah nine more years until she votes for a marxist if you're a teacher and you're telling the kids not to talk to their parents you are enacting child abuse on that kid

that kid has a right and a duty to communicate with its parents. If you're a parent, ask your kid what they learned at school today. But that's exactly what they're doing. We saw that book where it's like you're lying to me, Mom. You do not encourage your kids to lie to their parents. I think parents don't care about their kids. Why would you think that? Just because of what you've been told lately?

I was homeschooled. I was homeschooled before kindergarten. And then I went to a private Catholic school until the end of fifth grade. My parents transferred me to public school for a few years. My grades slipped a little bit. Then, in the first few

months of high school, my parents asked what was going on. And when they saw the negative impacts, they immediately pull us out and homeschooled us again. Because my parents genuinely, in my opinion, cared. And they sent us to school because it's school. I mean, it's what you do. But they were always very active. When we were at Catholic school, we were going to mass. And then when we switched to public school, there was a lot less family interaction with the school system. But the reason I think I would say parents don't care about their kids is that how often have you heard of the trope where the kid says, my teacher hates me, and the parent says, oh, shut up. You've heard that trope before,

right? It's like, no, it's not fair. My teacher hates me. Oh, come on. You're just not doing your work. The point where parents don't trust their own children when they say I'm having problems in school. Not every parent does this. I'm not saying every single parent. I'm saying there are many parents who are like, go to school. I have no idea what they're telling you. I have no idea what you're learning.

I have no idea if you're going to be a good person or you're going to hold my values or have a good life. I have no idea what goes on in that building for those eight hours or whatever you're there. I bet it has to do with stress. You know how they say if someone goes out and works 12 hour days and they're exhausted when they get home, they have no time to talk about politics. They only care about where the food is and that's it, the basic life. So if the parent is stressed about money and they're working a job, two jobs that can't really even pay the bills, they're going to be too stressed or have this

layer of stress that's interfering with their communication with their kids. They are using school as daycare. Yes. That is not a good thing. This is a problem. I mean, but don't you think that the public school system wasn't exactly rosy before this? Yeah. It's based around a factory. There's literally a bell that's like, oh, go to the next class. That's like based around a factory. There's literally like a bell that's like, oh, go to the next class. So like what kind of, you know, is that the kind of environment that's going to create a critical thinking individual? No, but I encourage the employees of Timcast to bring their kids to work as often as they can. And they'll, they can hang out and, you know, just you got to have some parenting. Don't let them spill milk on the carpet or something like that.

But not only was I homeschooled, but when my mom opened a coffee shop on the north side of Chicago, which, look, we were like a lower middle class family. And this was very devastating for my family in terms of loans. It didn't work. And then my family got bankrupt and stuff like that. But when my mom opened a coffee house, I was nine years old and I had to go work there. So I was sitting around next to a bunch of adults talking politics. I was getting exposed to the real world. So it's fascinating.

And they're treating you like an adult. They're not treating you like, oh, hello, little guy. We need to call you. Right. They were treating me like an adult. And to an extent, they were treating me like an adult. It's like when you're working, they wouldn't be like, oh, it's so cute that you're trying to wash the dishes. They'd be like, can you finish the dishes because we've got a bunch of orders coming in.

We need these mugs. You know what, though? That can go overboard because I'm just laughing as you're saying this because you want to know why I always super glue myself instead of getting stitches and going to the hospital? It's because when I was like six years old, my dad was like, all right, let's go do my week on rounds at the hospital. He's like, let's go meet with this guy. I'll never forget. I walk into his room and the guy is like in a full cast, like his whole body. It was like almost like out of a cartoon, like his arms are in a full cast.

He's like all the way up to his neck. He's like, hey, Doc, how you doing? And I was like, hold on one sec. Rich, this guy, an industrial air conditioner fell on him two days ago. Oh, man. He's like, I feel great, Doc. And I was like, I never want to go to the hospital ever again. Oh, my gosh.

That was it for me. The socialization that I got growing up was very much from a lot of adults in the workplace, like real-world interactions. And so I look at what's happening to previous generations' kids, the current generations' kids. I mean, think about this. What do kids need to be exposed to, to live good, healthy, fulfilling lives? They need to understand how to lead good, healthy, fulfilling lives. But we have kids raise each other. The parents take the kid

and they put them in the school. The teacher mindlessly drones along with like, you know, half glazed over eyes going, turn the page seven. And the kids are sharing notes with each other. The kids are all raising each other, man. It's no surprise to me that we're seeing cultural decay when millennials in many ways grew up going to schools where the teachers mostly don't care about them. Their parents mostly don't know what's going on in these schools. The kids are going out to parties and teaching each other things. So, yeah, you get like a Lord of the Flies type scenario. These kids grow up.

They get power. And then it's just like who's got the conch bashing people over the head? I grew up surrounded by people working jobs and working in businesses, and here I am running a business. It's funny you say that because I got major Lord of the Flies vibes when I was in the Chaz. It was like the kids leading the kids. Exactly.

And that's why they don't understand what work is, where money comes from. They're just like, I swear, I was arguing with people who are pro-UBI. And I gave the simple argument of, if you don't make stuff, there is no stuff. And they were like, what are you talking about? There's stuff in stores. And then I was like, yeah, but somebody had to make that stuff. And they're like, what do you mean? It's just there.

And I was like, no way, dude. What? Are you legit telling me you don't know what supply chain is? I actually had an argument with someone who told me the electricity was just there in the walls. That's actually Mark Levin. He has a great, I forget which book it is. He's written so many books. But basically he tracks the supply chain of a pencil.

That's cool. Just a graphite pencil. Yes, the pencil, yeah. And how complex, how many different sources of manufacturers, et cetera, and how hard it is to collectivize that and centrally plan it rather than just allow basically the marketplace to figure out how to make that supply chain work. You can't centralize it.

That's why communism doesn't work. But you look at these young people, what happens? They're placed in institutionalized learning facilities by their parents without a thought. They then have a teacher who tells them what to do and when to do it. And they say, okay, the food, it's food time. They walk in the room and there's food. And then they go home their whole lives. And you've got people who go to school till what, 22 or 24, their entire lives. Some of these kids never had a job in their life. They have no idea what production is.

So when they get out of school, they're simply like, where is the authority figure telling me what to do and giving me food? So they demand the government do it. And that's what they're voting for right now. And if parents wanted their kids to be successful, to be able to survive, to have their values, they would be communicating with them every day. They'd be working with them. And very much to a great degree taking them out of these schools when you get these four-year-olds

who are being given these these cult surveys about creepy stuff you shouldn't be asking kids or there was that one teacher who was playing the video for kids about how to you know take care of business on your own we keep it family friendly i guess how to yerk it yeah yes yes huh it wasn't a how-to it was just a a, this happens to occur if you do this. Oh, you're talking about that cartoon? Yeah. Yeah, that was really weird. It was creepy, right?

It was really weird. But think about the parents. Think about the parents who were like, I had no idea they were doing it to my kids. Now, when parents found out about it, they freaked out. Well, plus, don't you think it's also, I don't know, there's a certain corruptive factor of having the internet literally here that, if we're talking about Lord of the Flies, the loss of innocence that happens to a 10-year-old kid the moment that they go to the website that their buddy told them. Like I had to download it off Napster. I was like, all right, four days later, I got this like 30-second video or whatever.

I stole this song that has swears in it. Early 90s CompuServe and it like, this song will download in 14 hours. Oh, my gosh. Yes, two kilobits per second. Or you find the box of magazines or whatever in your uncle's closet. And that's your moment of loss of innocence. In South America, it's still two kilobits a second in the jungle. Not with Starling.

When that comes in Asia, global. Time is relative. Have you ever seen The Time Machine? The movie? Yeah. Or read the movie yeah or read the book i read the book yeah you know like he goes to the far future and there's like the one super intelligent guy and then a bunch of the like cavemen and they're two distinct species now yeah that's basically what's happening you look at these tech elites the foods they eat the way they live their lives the things they have access to and the things regular people do the way they live their lives, the things they have access to, and the things regular people do, the way they live their lives and what they have access to,

it really just feels like, take a look at their kids. The children of the tech elites do not have phones or internet tablets. They don't give it to them. I wonder why. Mark Zuckerberg tapes the camera and microphone on his computer up. He knows what's in the sausage. That's right. It's like

they know Soylent Green is people. Everybody else is eating it with a smile on their face they're like don't look at me i'm not eating that stuff i don't want encephalopathy or whatever encephalitis whatever it's called i mean i think that's that's what can be take i mean that's what i take from the last year which is like you see the the everything that we're talking about right now it manifests itself on the streets with these sad desperate people who are out there because they're desperate and whatever side of the who are out there because they're desperate and whatever side of the political spectrum they're on they're desperate because they feel like the system has failed them and probably because it has and nobody's addressing that nobody's addressing

the actual everybody says it's either systemic racism or it's cancel culture but nobody's like whoa hold on this is just two different hands of the same issue here you think maybe the uh the government's failures will result in more people becoming libertarian? It's like I was saying, these kids go to school, right? The system provides. Now they're out of school and they're like, where's the system to tell me what to do and give me food? And then when they realize it failed, maybe they'll be like, I better find food on my own. Well, I think back to what we basically started with, which is, what did you say?

You said technology. Culture is downstream from culture. Culture is downstream. So now what's happening is like Trump definitely usurp the whole culture is politics is downstream from culture because I think he kind of just like, you know, maybe there would have been a Trumpian figure elected in a couple of years if he had to just like literally hijack that election. So I think, you know, that kind of came to the forefront earlier than it would have otherwise. But no matter what, it's still culture and politics are both catching up with technology. We're just playing catch up. And the tech monopolies are the ones who are capitalizing on that.

Ian makes a really good point that culture is downstream from technology. Look at what happens with the radio. You have mass communications, the printing press. The printing press allows for the mass dissemination of propaganda for an American revolution. You eventually, you know, you get hundreds of years of that, basically. But more knowledge is being spread. People's attitudes and their understandings change. The radio creates a new culture of radio, the style of speaking.

You know, you get silent films, then films. It's communication technology, really, that I think is driving culture in a lot of ways. The rapid spread of behaviors and information. Now we get the internet, which has dramatically altered our culture in a lot of crazy ways. I think a lot of really bad ways, and I think a lot of really good ways. It's not simple to say one or the other. How do we deal with the bad element, the slamming, beating kids over the face with critical race applied principles?

How do we get rid of that bad stuff and keep the good stuff of, kid, you can Google it to figure it out for yourself. But you can't really now because Google kind of controls exactly what you're doing. You can duck, duck, go. You can go to the library. I think you're better off just going to the library. Now they're banning books, dude. You can look at how corporations

control the narrative with their censorship. So that's a problem that needs to be looked at. You look at other technologies like fiat currency. Currency in general is a technology. The way the currency is utilized is a problem. That's altering culture in a massive way. Oh yeah, like with the Federal Reserve

it changed the way people could buy houses, what they could own, what they could trade, and it gave centralized authority to a small group. We have centralized electric grids, so we're at the whim of the government because if they want to turn the power off, we're screwed. We have centralized water systems. They want to shut the water off.

We're screwed. So these technologies are big problems, and I think if we holistically focus on all of them, we might be able to seize the culture. But focusing on one of them is just going to be ramming ahead into a wall. No, but you've got to go for the grassroots. You're not going to be able to come out and be like, hey, everybody, let's totally decentralize all infrastructure. It's going to be like, who's working on what?

But if we were like, let's figure out a way to get everybody energy independent. Let's figure out a way to give everybody independent independent communications no one can shut your phone off no one can ban you no one can silence you how do we do that communications is easy for us because we're all kind of communications people you know like here we are on an internet show talking but what about energy what about fuel or food resources how do we get people to become decentralized which means a lot of personal responsibility we need more polymaths among us, like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. It's funny, though, because when you were describing what the media is doing and how they're packaging up with these click farms and stuff like that, I was thinking to 2008, the way that they packaged up all these subprime mortgages and just sold them abroad. They're like, oh, yeah, they're AAA.

And it's all good as long as you can keep selling the house for a little bit more. It's okay until all of a sudden that bubble bursts. You know those were insurance scams? The subprime mortgage scandal was an insurance scandal. They didn't want to classify it as insurance because they avoided all the litigation that would have come along with it. But they were basically, they were buying insurance.

What do you mean? Subprime mortgage is an insurance. The mortgage-backed securities. A mortgage-backed securities. Those are insurance packages. If they can't get paid back on the mortgage. So the AAA rating is the likelihood of it to default. So they're buying insurance.

Talking about media, you're exactly right, Richie, because I was actually working on a preliminary documentary about this. The ad rights assignment stuff isn't as prominent as it is today, so it's not as relevant, but we could maybe do a look back. What they were doing was they were taking bunk views that were worthless and then packaging them behind AAA-rated news websites. So everybody knows that this website is the gold standard of youth news. Wow, 100 million views when it was really getting 30 million and 70 million was garbage views from trash clickbait websites where

you'd click in and you'd bounce out in five seconds. But that was a click. And then you, by contract, assign the traffic rights to the AAA rated company who then goes to advertisers and says, we get 100 million views per month. If you want some of this, who then goes to advertisers and says, we get 100 million views per month. If you want some of this, it's going to cost you 50 grand for an ad.

And then the companies are like, wow, 100 million views? We'll buy it. But then the campaigns didn't work. You can't sell ads to nobody. So eventually the bubble burst. That's fraud. I mean, Facebook, if you compare it as a a social media ecosystem compared to like YouTube or even Instagram, people like an average view time on Facebook is like, you know, a good one is like 20 something seconds. It's like, wow, wow, that's so good.

It was over 20 seconds. Yeah. Like YouTube. What's your average view time on your show? I think it's on this channel, like 28 to 30 minutes. Yeah, exactly. And then on my other channels, it's like 14, between 10 and 14, depending on, you know. So there are still places where people can go to get qualitative content that they're actually paying attention to, where there actually is value. And people are learning that there are ways of measuring that. So I don't think like it's, you know, you know, it's a bubble that's going to burst necessarily.

And I think we've got a our culture is no longer focused. You know, it's it's it's what is it doing? It's like a Frankenstein culture. It's got one squid arm and like a peg leg. Yeah, it's a half pirate monster, just ninja squid. Frankenstein. Frankenstein. You have three werewolf classes in the culture.

You've got the banking class, the merchant class, and then I guess you call it the lower class. Oh, no. Then you've got the tech class. Then you've got the communications class. Then you've got the political class. They're all merchants. There's the bankers, which are running everything. Then there's the merchants, which are running everything. Then there's the merchants which are sucking off and basically

funding and capitalizing. They're like business owners and things like that. And then there's all the workers. I completely disagree. One of the most annoying things about Occupy Wall Street was when this guy stood up and screamed during a general assembly, fracking is the problem!

It's the center of everything! And then I busted out laughing. Like, this guy is so myopic in his view that he thinks fracking is the problem. I mean, we can start with the Federal Reserve. That I can give you. But to claim that small business owners and Amazon are in the same merchant class is just completely incorrect. To claim that Mark Zuckerberg, who is in the same class as a mom and pop candy shop, is not sound. It doesn't make sense. You've got tech elites who manipulate what people can and can't do,

the communications companies who can shut off your cell phone, who can track your cell phone, who can give your information to the government. You've got the intelligence agencies, the permanent government. Then you've got the political class, the liars who get voted. There are so many different groups of people all colluding to extract value from the system. That's why I called it a mass Frankenstein monster of various cultures all just shambling around

falling. It's going to fall over. What was once, you know, it's the ship of Theseus. That's probably the best way to describe it. I'm familiar with Theseus. Yes. So the ship of Theseus I'm talking about, right? I'm thinking of. Theseus was the guy with the golden fleece, you know.

The ship is that, you know, how many if you take one piece off and replace it, how long until... He slayed the Minotaur, right? I don't know anything about his boat. Is it Theseus? I don't know. I don't remember. I'm sorry you lost me. I think it is. I'm kind of familiar with them, too. Let's see what the commenters are saying here.

Yeah, let's find out. Our audience is smart. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm right. So the ship of Theseus is that, let's say you have a boat, and then you remove one piece of wood and replace it with a brand new piece of wood. Is it still the ship of Theseus? That's how he got home.

Yeah. Okay. Now you replace it with another piece of wood. Do that until all of the original pieces have been removed and replaced. Is it still the original ship of theseus then take the remaining pieces and rebuild the ship of theseus now you have two which one's the real one it's an interesting thought well boats don't have souls well so here's the countries do yeah and so if from the start of the american country experiment they want to call it, we had the ship of America.

And one by one, we've replaced parts and put in different parts. The problem is they're not the same piece. If you had like a 12 by 4 piece of wood plank and removed it with like a 3 by 9, it's not going to work properly. And now we're at the point where we have not rebuilt the ship of Theseus. We've created this weird amalgam of competing interests that's shambling along and starting to sink i don't know i'm maybe more optimistic because i i think back like just a generation or two ago i mean we literally had a global war we had a cold war where everybody thought they were going to get nuked and talk about the red scare talk about being scared about communism taking over america i mean that was

literally like bro the threat of annihilation was like you had to get on your desk and just prepare to get it vaporized you're right like at every turn and one of those superpowers collapsed and does that mean the united states could not be facing the same thing we're facing collapse and then china wins is what you're saying maybe it's a new cold war and who says we're gonna win it but i think you know i like to think that america's and the constitution is more resilient it's like the ship what you're saying? Maybe it's a new Cold War and who says we're going to win it. But I think, you know, I like to think that America and the Constitution is more resilient. It's like the ship that you're talking about. The Constitution ensures that we can, you know, revise and open free and open society ensures that we can correct ourselves and the tide can ebb and flow between, you know, whatever you want to call it, left and right, libertarian and authoritarian. I love the Constitution.

But where was the Constitution when Jake Gardner was being threatened and his family was being attacked and then he got choked i never yeah i never said it was perfect and like that situation is so devastating that's that's not the fault of the constitution that's why i said earlier you can have the law and then you have the culture and if the culture doesn't support the law the law doesn't make any sense or doesn't matter so when black lives Matter can literally go around destroying buildings causing $2 billion in damage and face no repercussions and gain support from all the major massive multinational corporations, the law doesn't matter, does it?

But dude, we had the Bill of Rights when there were still slaves. Right, the law didn't matter. It was the culture. But it changed and the culture changed and generally the culture bent in the direction of actual genuine progress. And in the moment where you're in between the waves, it's really hard to see over the next one. But if you take a much broader view of American history, you realize like, wow, like every generation thought that they were in this dire crisis and they thought that America was doomed.

And yet it's so resilient. And it's like, I think it's partially a byproduct of like, you know, like you said, the soul, the country does have a soul and it is this, I don't, I think the American dream is still alive in so far as people still come here because for a reason and people aren't flooding into China. Our understanding of free speech is new, right? A hundred years ago, free speech didn't exist the way we think it does. So the bill of rights almost didn't matter. You had a very moralistic, authoritarian style of culture.

You can't say these things. You can't dress this way. Now we have a very, very libertarian. But the problem is a new moral authoritarianism is on the rise. Of course, the United States will exist probably in name, but who knows what it'll actually be. Like you mentioned, when the Bill of Rights was created, there were slaves, right? Because the Bill of Rights didn't matter so much as the culture mattered, what the people were willing to tolerate and willing to do. So we can talk about making the country better and moving towards freedom, which is what I think we've

typically done. The problem is now the dominating faction is anti-freedom and pro-collectivist, which means we're going backwards. In fact, these people outright want to rewind the clock on civil rights. I'll give you the easiest example to understand so people can truly understand what's happening. Okay, Ibram X. Kendi, the anti-racism guy. What's his real name, though? I thought it was Ibram.

It's Henry Rogers. Oh, it is? Shout out to Henry Rogers. Is it Henry Rogers? It's true. I only Oh, it is? Shout out to Henry Rogers. Is it Henry Rogers? It's true. Yeah, look it up. Who's also a guy. I only know that because a guy at the Daily Caller.

So, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. He's like the whitest guy ever, so it's funny. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says, why don't these Republicans, you know, want schools to teach the kids to be anti-racist? Anti-racist. I love that word. Anti-racist. So smart.

Because people who have no idea what's going on say, oh, I hate racism. I want to be anti-racist. I love that word, anti-racist. So smart. Because people who have no idea what's going on say, oh, I hate racism. I want to be anti-racist. But what does Kendi say? He says, anti-racism, the only solution for past discrimination is present discrimination. And the only solution for present discrimination is future discrimination. Right? That's a quote from Kendi. He genuinely believes we should have racial discrimination. Now, I think discriminating on the basis of race is evil. Don't you? I think most people agree with that in America. Okay. So let's replace discrimination with evil. So Kendi's statement is,

the only solution to past evil is present evil. And the only solution to present evil is future evil. Why would I want someone evil is future evil why would i want someone who is evil to have any power at all well discrimination is not evil it can be used in an evil way but you have to discriminate if you have a hot rock and a cold rock you know that you don't want to pick up the hot rock you have to discriminate between the rocks as to which one is safe to touch so i'm i'm obviously not being 100% absolute. I am making a point using hyperbole and exaggerating. Clearly, there are instances where general discrimination

doesn't mean discriminate against human beings. But even then, if one guy is super tall and one guy is super short and you need someone to pick the apples up there, you've got to hire the tall guy. Right, right. So I think the issue with that frame of thinking is most people probably understand my point, but arguing the semantics of it doesn't actually add anything to it. I don't think there's a lot of situations where discriminating on race has any value.

Can you think of one? Medical? Sickle cell anemia? Oh, yeah, yeah. So there are times when you need to discriminate based on race for people's safety. What I'm saying is that Ibram Kendi's view is that we should form policies that affect people's lives and access to civil rights based on their race. When my view is mostly a negative rights aspect of we should not impose restrictions based on their race so they can always enjoy full civil rights. Now, of course, the left argues, but they're not being allowed full civil rights because of racism.

And I'm like, private actors do private things and they're bad people. The system has already been healing from this for 50, was it 56, 57 years. They complain about, you know, these redlining and blockbusting. And I'm like, yes, we have been solving for that. It's not perfect. We've passed the laws. Now we're trying to solve that problem. But you are now bringing us back.

You're saying you are going to bring back racial discrimination. I'm like, you're making things worse. But don't you think, okay, but don't you think that the same tide that ebbed and flowed in order to allow for the civil rights movement, and I'm not drawing the same parallel. I'm just speaking in terms of cultural shifts. The mainstream, the people who are, quote unquote, revolutionaries trying to change the system, actually able to create progress, quote unquote. And obviously, that's a charged term. But don't you think that most people in America don't think like Ibram X. Kendi? And it's just that everybody's scared to speak up right now. Right. Because they have a fear of, you know, that their digital self being maligned to the point where their real self is, you know, they are from society. They are more scared of being called a racist than of their children being indoctrinated

into a moralistic authoritarian. I think that's I think that's generally right. But it's still America. And it still America and it's not Soviet Union. No, but the Soviet Union sucked. It was a shit system. And America is the best system that's ever made, flawed as it may be. And sorry that I...

No, no, no, hold on. Hold on, hold on. At least you were right about that. That point's completely irrelevant. The Soviet Union was garbage and the people hated it. And it stood for 100 years. Yes. The United States system is an amazing system, but people still are doing nothing to stop the central planners and the communists from seizing power.

Hey, American Marxism, Mark Levin's book sold 500,000 copies in like a week. And we see a lot of Amazon number ones. 800 school boards are up in arms about it. This show focuses on it. There's 98,000 schools, bro. Yeah, but you'll need 5,000 of them then. You'll need 5% of them to step up. Yes, I think I kind of agree in so far as like it only takes a few people to stand up to a corrupt system like Solzhenitsyn who wrote the Gulag Archipelago and was able to bring the whole system down based upon one man who stood up and literally, how the hell?

He memorized the whole system down based upon one man who stood up and literally how the hell he memorized the whole thing now i'm gonna now i'm gonna imagine it only takes one of those incredible people now i'm gonna imagine your antifa saying the exact same verbatim quote right now and that means it's a coin toss i don't think it's a coin toss because i i don't think ultimately it doesn't matter what the ideology is behind it it's like common sense is common sense. And they're saying the same thing. And if people are scared to speak up and talk about what they believe and they're willing to cower, then you've got one violent faction who has been given carte blanche because the establishment rarely, if ever, says anything bad about them. And another faction that is being persecuted and prosecuted to a growing and more extreme degree. So you're right.

You know, what's the saying from that woman? Let never be said that a small group of determined people couldn't change history. Indeed, it's the only thing they never have. Sure. But that's also true of your political opponents. You know, history is written by the victors. And you look at what happens throughout history with civil wars wars and conquest and the people who are able to win and write the books down and spread those ideas

are the ones who win. Right now, you have a growing faction of extremist, critical race theorists and their critical race applied principles. And you have a much smaller group of people who are willing to actually stand up and challenge it. There are a lot of people willing to challenge it. There are more people by the day, but there's also more Antifa people. It was 8% progressive,

according to the Hidden Tribes report three years ago. The last poll I checked, it was like 10 or 11%. They've grown. They've grown in power for a few reasons. They're getting more young people. Like I mentioned, those fourth graders, nine nine more years and you will have fully fledged adult marxists who believe all that stuff and it's their whole whole life that's if we don't do anything about it yeah i mean i would look to like europe or canada and like you know jordan peterson being a good example of like we were talking about one person standing up i mean he was the only guy in the entire education system uh in canada who's like whoa you're compelling our speech and you want to like make it criminal for me not to you know say if i make him whatever if you say the wrong pronoun i think it was basically you you could be criminal and if you don't pay your fine you can go to jail and so he

stood up against it and look at what happened you know there was this like global support that came behind him solely because he was that one guy willing to stand up and and that's in like much more you know i think less free societies than we live in so i think the tide's shifting dude and i feel good about this sure sure what i'm saying is in nine years we will have that that fourth grader a fully fledged marx Obviously, it's if we do nothing. The point is we're here trying to do something. People need to pay attention. They need to understand what it means to get involved.

They need to understand what it means to speak up at their workplace, challenge these systems, refuse to support them. If a company wants to get woke, they can go broke. One guy messaged me. He was like, I listen to the show every night with my two daughters. One's 10 and one's 13. And the 10-year-old asked them something. They were all listening to it in the car. And the 10-year-old asked something.

And the 13-year-old was like, it doesn't matter. The government's going to fall apart anyway. We're seeding these thoughts into kids. So we've got to be careful and conscious about what we say, what we want to happen, and how we frame things. I don't think, personally, that there are more. I don't think this stupid there are more. I don't think this stupid antifa racist movement is growing. I think that it showed its head. It's obviously deranged. Most people see that. You know what, Ian, you're right. And my biggest fear is that,

you know, if we don't do something, then the libertarians are going to take over and Dave Smith will become president. Oh, man. Oh, man. Worst case scenario. We're seeding these ideas. Oh, no. We don't do anything. The Mises Caucus and Libertarian Party are going to take over. I'm kidding. That would be great. You're right.

The stakes are high, though. And I agree that it's not a trivial thing and it's not something that people just say, oh, you know, it's just happening in, you know, blue check Twitter zone. Because I think, you you know all of us are kind of the byproduct of i don't know how old are you i'm like 42 you're 42 what the are you kidding me 70s how did you think he was i don't know 36 yeah definitely not yeah i don't know but well growing up because i think you know born in 89, we're about the same age. I was definitely part of the generation of everybody gets a trophy.

That's for sure. Yeah, me too. And I don't know. No, I wasn't. You were like a rub some dirt on your kid. Get a job when you're 12. Yeah. We're not paying you allowance anymore.

Go out there. You know what was one of the worst feelings I ever had? I remember I was in third grade, and they were doing like thing at my school where there was like they had but it was like an after-school program thing like parents were there and they were asking trivia questions and i was just a little smart kid right so i would raise my hand but the teacher would never call on me and so i started crying because i didn't get a chance to actually answer the question and win the prize so i was just given one and i was like that was like the most brutal thing ever it felt miserable i was like i don't want it i must have i wanted to answer the question i missed it by like

by like six years or something i think the internet i don't know what what brought that on that everybody gets a trophy it's it's uh well i think it's actually what tim was talking about earlier which is that the people who uh basically occupied the positions of you know being our teachers were the children of that that kind of counterculture movement of the late 60s. They're basically hippies. The ones who went into humanities to teach your kids English and whatever. Commies. Teach your kids how to critically think.

But we still read like Tom Sawyer and stuff. We still had to contend with those difficult topics. That's right. And we still had to contend with those difficult topics. That's right. And we still got to contend with these super chats. Oh, right. Yeah, we're going to go to super chats. Someone's going to call me out about saying Trump did cocaine with strippers. I'm sorry.

I don't know that he ever did that. I just heard that he was a party boy. If someone came to me and said, would you like to place a bet as to whether or not Trump did cocaine with a bunch of hookers I'd be like I will take that bet I will take that bet like how much can I give you all of my money

yes 10 to 1 odds so smash the like button subscribe to the channel go to TimCast.com I'm going to shout out the Lagima

Thigay Thigayon again Jafar Kree Ian Kree yeah because we I was I watched

someone super chatted us because I was like Star Trek's so great and they were like watch Stargate and I was like, Star Trek's so great. And they were like, watch Stargate. And I was like, okay. Now all the Star Trek references are Stargate references. So that's how the show goes. I'm going to start watching Stargate.

It's good. It's a good show. And then someone said to watch Farscape. Is that what they... I haven't seen it yet. I don't know. A lot of portal sliders. Quantum Leap.

A lot of portals. Sliders, isn't he? Quantum Leap, though. Oh, boy. Great show. All right. Trip Sucks says, Richie, you inspire me. I just thought you should know

how loved and valued you truly are. Aw. Wow. Thank you. That makes it all worth it. This is a really great shit right here. Thank you. Pierce Worsig says,

Tim, I work in a grocery store and I've been noticing that a lot of the new products are coming in as smaller packages. Sizes like family size or large size are an ounce or two smaller than the product already on the shelf. I noticed that.

Interesting. I went shopping the other day and the family size box of cereal was like a normal box of cereal. It was the weirdest thing. And I was like,

this is not family. This is tiny. Same price. Same price. That's inflation. Yes. Another kind of inflation. Because they know

people aren't going to be able to pay more. They reduce what you get. But the average size of the family in America has shrunk. It's true. And probably is a little bit bigger than it should be. Our population is increasing. It's because of immigration. Bottles are getting smaller.

They're like 64 ounce or now 59 ounce. Wow. They're shrinking everything. Yeah. And one of the best things. I love this. When they keep the box the exact same size, but the stuff inside is smaller. Rude.

Those are great. Chips too. Yep. As long as Those are great. Chips, too. Yep. As long as my quarter pounder remains a quarter pound. Yeah, that's like... And a double quarter pounder is a half pound, by the way. McCarthy86 says, the 1994 Stargate movie was better than SG-1 series. Changed my mind.

They're different. They're just different. You know? Stargate SG-1 has a ton. Yeah, I like the movie. James Spader. Good job, James. All right, let's see.

Chris Blank Production says, Tim, to address your earlier video about the stages of genocide, we've voluntarily done stage seven by anyone not okay with what's happened to the cities fleeing the red states, putting them all in one place. Well, they're not all in one place. That's the us versus them separation. So that's why I don't think it's right when people are like,

we're so close to genocide. I'm like, we're close to a balkanization or a civil conflict. But what does close even really mean? You know, are we going to like crop dust it and then pull out at the last minute and then everything calms down? Maybe.

I got to be honest. I can look, you know, I can look at a problem and try and come up with a solution. I can look at something and saying, here are what I think are some possibilities. And I can do really well at Magic the Gathering when I'm holding the cards in my hand and I can make some predictions about what's going to happen, what I can do. I look at the system and the pieces we're given. The cards were dealt in this culture war. And I'm like, you explain to me how you're going to get a maga hat wearing

trump supporter who's you know protesting masks vaccines and and he's protesting in defense of the january 6th riders that person and you're going to get the pink hat wearing you know twitter anti-gun person to shake hands and agree to calm down. That'd be cool. Yeah. We're getting there. We're getting there. I don't see that. I see that getting worse.

The net is darkest before dawn. It's true. It's true, which means we might crop dust it. We don't know where the bottom is going to be. How about this? I was at the Cuban protest today in front of the White House, and I didn't want to give it away when we were talking before, but guess what happened? Everybody was out there protesting.

Libertad, libertad, right? The Secret Service comes in. They cleared out Lafayette Square and there was no pepper spray whatsoever and everybody was completely peaceful. And I was like waiting for it. I was like, no, here we go again. Just like the Jackson statue. They try to nothing.

But these were more libertarian protesters yelling for, um, were they leftist to support Joe Biden? You know, it was, they were very angry though. There was a lot of passion there. And I felt like they were out there feeling like their cousins and stuff were

existentially threatened by, um, you know, the situation in Cuba. So it wasn't like they didn't care and it wasn't like they, you know, had some particular political ideology. It was just like, I don't know. They were just...

Yeah, it's not against the American government in any way. These protests are like, help Cuba, help Cuba. And actually the only real like situation where things got very like, you know, almost to a boiling point was actually there were like two or three code pink protesters who were arguing in favor in favor of uh basically breaking the blockade which is like you know basically giving the regime a break yeah right so the cuban the cuban freedom protesters were like

no you got like saying the worst things i put put it on Twitter, like saying very, very bad things in Spanish to these people. And it was because, you know, they wanted to alleviate, to break. It was just kind of a little bit counterintuitive. And I was like, wait a second. Oh, I guess that makes sense because that's giving the regime a break and basically, you know, giving them more. Yeah, we're in a situation where we read more superchats.

When you blockade a government from getting goods, but then you end up screwing the populace or when you give the government goods and they hoard them away from the populace like it's a lose-lose how do you it's kind of like us hoarding away from the super chat right now so sorry sorry guy that was coming next i had to get that out it's kind of like we are not responsible for the well-being of another country just because we say we're not going to trade with you doesn't make it our fault. It's the stupidest communist thing I've ever heard. But let's read some more.

Woodworking Medic says, I grew up in Omaha and the suicide story makes me so mad. Omaha was rated the most dangerous place to be black in the U.S. in 2014.

That was due to black-on-black crime from gang violence. People just don't understand how messed up the world is getting. Yeah, man. That story is so heartbreaking.

Martin Lamontagne says, Lamontagne, how do you pronounce that? Lamontagne. The term you are looking for is oclocracy. What? Oclocracy. I gotta look that up.

Oclocracy. What does that mean? Rule by the mobs. I'm Google. Whoa. All right, let's see. Robert Neal says, some parallels to Freedom phone in the original

tesla roadster freedom phone is a re-badged chinese phone the same way the tesla was just a lotus elise with electric motors bright future for freedom phone cool maybe i mean if you don't want to deal with learning how to hack a phone and it's not particularly difficult honestly to like flash a new operating system on your phone or rom and you can get graphene and stuff but most people don't know how to do that. Tesla's are lame. I'm sorry, Tim. Yeah.

Yeah, they're no fun. Why? Because go-karts are fun. And when you stomp on something, it makes a loud noise, and you're like... We got these electric bikes. Everyone's like, oh, they're so fast. I'm like, I don't care. I want to shift gears and burn rubber and e-brake.

It needs to be manual. It's true. It's true. I agree. Give me a go-kart or give me death. Thank you. Chubby Cobold Gaming says, wow, the Seattle mayor

was just on the news saying they need more police. Yep. Oh, wow. Yeah. Baltimore was saying that, I think, too. Alex Thunderpaw says,

you're naive. We're at step seven and that's why the Biden administration is going after patriots now. Has the Biden administration forced Trump supporters to wear hats or shirts or badges or done anything like that? No. So that's two.

They do it on their own. Trump supporters wear hats on their own. Right. But they're saying, are people being forced to identify themselves? Are they saying, like, this group of patriots must, oh, you want to go to the movie theater? Are you a Trump supporter? You got to wear the badge. And the nice thing is you have anonymity and you're voting on purpose per the U.S. law because of that. But you know what, though?

Again, like just real quick. Remember, there's that whole narrative that it's like, oh, the only people who are refusing the vaccine are like white Trump supporters. That died out because it wasn't true. And because actually the vaccination like the vaccination rates in minority communities like turned out to be lower like so it was you know hispanics were lower than white and blacks were lower than hispanics and so then that narrative just died on the vine because guess what like a narrative can only last for so long before you know we it becomes like oh no okay that's not the case.

Let's move on then. Makeshift electric. This is a really important one, guys. Ian looks like Wayne and Garth had a baby. That's my goal. That's what you're going for. It's cultivating.

Andreas, Andreas, if you guys follow the vlogs, you've seen him put on a video on YouTube and there's like a guy walking up to a laundromat and I was like, oh, it's Ian.

And he's like, no, that's, that's someone else. And I was like, it, it just looks like Ianromat and I was like, oh, it's Ian. He's like, no, that's someone else. And I was like, it just looks like Ian. And he was like, no, it's a different guy. And I was like, so you were friends with the guy who was like this lanky glasses dude with long

hair and then you like traded him in for like an Ian. It's like an upgrade. That's my M.O., baby. All right. Poker Soldier says, Tim, please stop calling them liberals. They're communists. The left are communists. The right are capitalists. North are authoritarian. South are libertarians. It's time we address them as such. Liberals typically refers to like a traditional establishment Democrat type. Leftists are socialist or communist. But left and right, what do they mean left is a reference to pro-revolution right is a reference to not for the revolution but then right is is supposed to be like economic freedom and left is economic cooperation and then authoritarian economic cooperation is mandated and libertarian is

requested it's hard to maintain and then free market capital but what is authoritarian right authoritarian free market capital that makes no sense none of it makes sense i think the occupy wall street people was the revolution and still is. And then this aberration is the betrayal of the revolution. Like Castro was the betrayal of the Cuban revolution. Yes.

Maybe so. Dragon Lady says, the Secret Service was originally established in 1865 to fight counterfeiting. It wasn't until the forced death of President McKinley that they took on the duty of protecting the president as well. There you go.

Interesting. Some people are saying that the list isn't Patriots versus the left. It's Vax versus Unvax, which still... Well, that was my point, is that there was supposed to be a narrative that it was only Trump supporters, but there is crossover between this far left people who are skeptical of the government, skeptical of the WHO, the CDC.

So you're right, though. It's like, where's your pass? Where's your passport? Do you have your passport? I don't. You didn't bring it with you? It's downstairs. Oh, got it.

All right. Hayden said, not to be too far out there, but there is a saying, if you're not liberal and young, you don't have a heart. If you're not conservative as you're older, you don't have a brain. Swap out lib and con for some more relevant terms the left doesn't think. I've always heard it as, if you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no head. Doobie McNasty says, SLC Punk was one of my favorite movies in my teen years.

Devin Sawa on that acid trip was awesome, and the culmination at the end was unreal. Yeah, man. Surreal. I feel bad for Bob. Yeah. It was a bummer. Blaze 88 says,

It's libertarian versus authoritarian. What is the ratio of left versus right that are medicated? It's fair to say Big Pharma has already drugged up enough people to sway the balance. We know how that guy likes to get drugged up. Have you seen charts named blaze what blaze hey hey if it comes out of the ground blaze have you uh have you seen the chart though showing that very left tend to have very high rates of mental illness any extreme i would think yeah what it reminds me of the joker right in in The Dark Knight, when Harvey Dent kidnaps the guy posing as a cop. And he's like, where is he?

Where's the Joker? And then Batman grabs the coin. He's like, you think you're going to get anything from him? He's a schizophrenic from Arkham Asylum. The Joker preys on people like that. And I'm like, Joker a Democrat? It's like a joke, right? But there is data.

I think it was Zach Goldberger posted this. Yeah. People who identify as very, very liberal or liberal have extremely high rates of mental illness relative to any other group. Yeah. Well, do you think that it has to do with like, well, I think like right had the low conservative had the lowest. Well, I would say like at least today, I don't know, just generally speaking, liberals, you

know, have an idea that they need to fix the world. And conservatives have more of a concern with their communities and their families, right? Isn't that like, I think that's a fair generalization. So, I mean, that's just been exacerbated, I think, as things have diverged more and more, which is like, we need to fix this broken system. And that's all that matters. And meanwhile, you know, back at home, like conservatives are like, hey, I like hey i'm good yeah i don't know i take issue with that mental illness phrase the phrase yeah illness because if you're if you're sane in an insane society they call you crazy and a lot of these people are are justifiably enraged at about what the system being bought out by the federal reserve to start okay and you got to stop with that because the left has never brought up the Federal Reserve.

You think the reason they're out protesting is not because they're poor. I mean, that's the reason they're out is because they don't have money. The lockdowns destroyed people's livelihoods. They went crazy. Think about Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze. That was the perfect dialectic right there.

See, Ian, you're the guy at Occupy screaming about fracking. We know the Fed is bad. We know there's problems, but none of these people are protesting money. you're the guy that occupies screaming about fracking they're virtue signaling for other people's bad yeah we know there's problems but none of these people are protesting money they're protesting race well they're protesting economic disparity and then race is the mask well they're protesting the race thing has been added on top of it but they're not even talking about money in many circumstances talking about privilege yeah you're getting a rage they're claiming that oprah winfrey is oppressed

and the homeless white veteran is the oppressor. That's not about money, dude. That's a co-opt of the root. I think the root comes from the rage of the Occupy rage. Well, pay attention to the race so that you don't realize that you got no money. There are a lot of leftists who are angry with the billionaires. And that's why Bernie happened.

But now they're totally distracted. I mean, they're supporting big pharma. They're getting tattoos of Pfizer on their arm. The Fauci bobbleheads. Yeah, come on. And the Fauci pizza. They don't care about the Fed. Do you use Fauci's name in vain?

YouTube's going to cut this feed, man. Oh, yeah. We should go easy on Anthony. Don't use the F word like that. All right, all right. Turk Longwell says, look at Tim. With the good movie references tonight, Southland Tales, SLC Punk, and Donnie Darko,

have you seen Dark City or Edge of Tomorrow? F. Biden. Edge of Tomorrow is awesome. I need to see Dark City. I liked F. Biden there at the end. Just kidding. We need to make that movie. No, I haven't seen any of those.

I got to see Dark City. I haven't seen it, but I was looking at it. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. Watch it tonight. FOMO says, Please don't misstate the pro-life stance. The whole point is that we

believe it's a separate life. It's not the mother's body, but a baby that dies. Right. That's the point. So when the conservatives are like my body, my choice, and the liberals laugh and say, now do abortion. I'm like, what's the difference? Like there's no, there's no contradiction there. The conservatives think the baby's body is up from the mother. So the mother can't make the choice for the baby. Like, what are you saying? The left doesn't understand any of these concepts. They don't actually engage in these debates. They don't understand these high-level ideas. They don't talk to conservatives, and they don't understand them. What are you saying? What's the argument you're saying just there? Pro-life people believe the baby is alive,

and the mother is alive, and the mother doesn't have a right to choose for the baby to die. When it comes to vaccines, the conservatives are saying, my body, my choice, which is a slogan of the pro-choice movement, saying, you can't tell me what to do with my body. The left then tells conservatives, you're contradicting yourself because you're pro-life. Because the left doesn't understand that babies are their own bodies. It's, yeah, It's at conception. It's a life at conception. I saw the stupidest thing ever. And it was just viral on Reddit.

And Reddit is just loaded with really dumb young people who never thought about this stuff. And it was like a guy saying, I can debunk pro-life in two seconds. Let's say you're at a fertility clinic. Forget why you're in the fertility clinic, but just for the sake of argument. And there's a vial

with a thousand viable embryos and a fire breaks out and there is a child and you can only choose one room to go in to save either the vial of embryos or the baby. What do you save? It happens every time you know exactly who they're going to save. And there's like, that proves the pro-life is wrong. And then he's like and you know they'll never answer the question honestly and i'm like they'll save the child what do you mean

like yeah there's they'll save the human and then the embryos when a second right when it comes to abortion they're they're they're they're not talking about like there's two babies in the womb and only one can be saved you have to make a hard choice it's like potentiality when when there's a living human child and embryos, clearly they're going to prioritize the child. It's still not contradictory because they don't understand what the conservative argument is. They don't want to. I just think they want to go on TV and be told they're good people and they feel good about it. It's like, am I a good person today?

Yes, you're a good person. If I tweet empty platitudes, we'll give you a treat. good about it it's like can i am i a good person today yes you're a good person i mean if i tweet empty platitudes we'll give you a treat i think the the abortion conversation is the one perhaps that's the that's the most divergent because like for example being from the northeast like do not bring up abortion in any northeast but yeah don. Just don't. Because like – Thanksgiving dinner? Do not bring that up. Oh, I've made that mistake. And it's not even as – it's not even me saying like, oh, I think that anybody who uses the Plan B pill goes to hell.

I'm not saying that. I'm just like even just having a conversation that even introduces what about the third trimester? What about the second trimester? Even just asking that question. What about babies being viable outside of the womb now because of technology at six months or whatever? Plastic bags. What about the idea that the baby is created at conception, but you still have the right to kill it? Well, according to Ralph Northam, you just got to make them feel nice after they come out of the womb remember he said that on a radio show ralph norther the governor who's killing it i don't know

the doctor or whatever see the challenge i have with it is what's the health of the mother is that's that's commonly you know that's that's a huge i think kind of moral obstacle for the pro-life argument which is like you know in situations where there's rape, for example, or where the mother's life is threatened by maintaining that baby as viable or fetus or whatever you want to call it at that stage. That's a slippery slope. What does rape have to do with that? Well, because rape has to do with whether or not the mother chose for,

you know, made a decision for that baby to even be conceived in the first place. And that's the libertarian challenge that I have, which puts me in the libertarian pro-choice camp, which is morally difficult, to put it mildly. Yes, exactly. Because mandating that the government say your body is now occupied and you have no right to your personal autonomy is like a challenging position. You know, the argument, I guess, from the conservatives is you would kill the baby by removing it. And I'm like, that's true. But who gives that other entity a right to my body?

Right. Because the mom, if she's got a baby and they say it's illegal to get an abortion, the mom could just start drinking really heavily, destroy the embryo and have it abort. The issue I have is. Or stress out or jump on the ground. I mean, you can do crazy things. I'm very, very obviously in the libertarian camp on this one. And there's different libertarian opinions, obviously.

But then you have the liberal, modern, progressive opinion of everyone should get abortions because babies don't matter. And they're not alive. And embryos aren't real. That was the point of bringing up the tweet was the guy viewed embryos as not being living things and i'm like they are but there's a literal human child and if you're like doing a trolley problem or something or like spider-man's got to save mary jane or a school busload of kids sure that's totally different from whether or not someone should get an abortion and that's killing a baby you know what i mean yeah i don't want to get into a whole debate on that one though we got to read some more

super chats doobie mcnasty says richie is awesome he has a type of personal constitution to run up run up to someone run up on someone with a rifle and try to save the life of a person who got shot regardless of the context that's called heroism there you go thanks doobie man appreciate it all right let's see nick s says had to cut a lefty friend of five plus years out of my life they really do take you literally not seriously sad in trump voice i like you put the parentheses in trump voice said country you whenever you say country you got to drop the tone country in this country puerto rico puerto rico christopher marce sorry all right christopher marce says i

was in public school till high school force fed and prescribed experimental medication some of which would give me physical pain and was told to ignore it i was most definitely not the only one i've met a lot of people who've been put through the same isn't it annoying when they're like this is how this is how it's supposed to be, and you're like, it doesn't feel right for me. And they're like, no, but this is how it is. Go your own route. Do what feels right for you. Well, that's an interesting philosophical question too, because there's the paternalistic model of the medical profession, which is basically the doctor's like, you need to do

this or you're going to hurt yourself. Or the more we're having a conversation and we come to the best decision together. Like, I feel like that's the same thing with the government that we're talking about right now is like this government just say, no, this is what's best for you. Get the vaccine now and or get the abortion or whatever. Or do they say, you know, it breaks down into so many aspects of life, like my even my shooting stance.

I was taking my own shooting stance that felt natural for me luke was helping me and he was like repositioning me and i think like i'm just not normal i do things differently i and i do them better often because i do them differently so sometimes you know you want to break the mold especially when when i see kids getting put on psych yeah i mean that's a whole other that's all right yeah t home says listening to ian's argument against piracy last friday made my mushroom trip difficult take more psilocybin that is awesome dude what do you think richie about um this is a big conversation piracy so if you write a song and then sell it on itunes and then i download it but then copy it and give it away to everybody for free is that theft

um are you stealing the guy who's copying no no is is is are you selling it or are you listening just listening to yourself so everyone's downloading it to listen to it for free but put it everybody just listen to it personally you're selling a song and then instead of downloading it people all just start downloading it from a torrent site for free is that theft i mean i think the people who could pay for it are gonna pay for it because they value the artist and i think that'll that'll be enough it has been enough musicians are rich that's not true at all no i mean like most musicians but are the musicians that aren't making money is it because of piracy that they're not making money or is it because the record companies decide who are the annoying ones the problem has been solved

with streaming services yeah but for a while yeah the, there was a big hit to a lot of smaller bands' income because of piracy. Yeah. Because I always was under the impression that during the Napster days, et cetera, it was like Metallica who was losing a couple million bucks. Well, yeah, but if you make $100,000 a year, if your band is making like $200,000 a year, it's's five people and you've got to split that up amongst five people so everyone's getting kind of like 40 grand or maybe you're getting a little more they're getting a little less and then all of a sudden you're the little album sales you did have all dropped because people just put everything on torrent sites now your band breaks up you can't afford it's a hobby now radiohead put their album what was it hail of the thief up for free or pay what you want it was their highest grossing album of all time.

Yep. The Pay What You Want. People are willing to pay. I mean, if it's good and it's art or news content or – I thought the question, though, is it theft? If you are saying, I am selling this, it costs a dollar, and then I go, I'm just going to download it for free. Can I pass on that question? Can I i pass you don't have to answer a question i say someone wants you to ian says it's not theft i'm gonna pass the reason i say it's

different than theft because when you steal um colloquially it's i take it away from you and you don't have it anymore but if i copy your thing it's different than stealing it kind of like if you break into an office and steal top secret plans or intellectual property, it's not really theft. Right. If you make a copy of someone's data, it's different than taking it away from them. You won't be charged with theft of intellectual property if you sneak into a laboratory and take photographs of it.

And then if you sell it to a foreign government, that's also not illegal. That's not stealing. Even though it literally is. What about like Weird Al Yankovich? You don't want to sell it to people foreign government, it's also not illegal. That's not stealing. Even though it literally is. What about like Weird Al? You don't want to sell it to people. Is Weird Al Yankovich theft? It's fair use. Parody and satire.

Oh, fair use. I thought it was just crappy versions. There are a lot of people that are... You know what happened? Radiohead was able to give away their music for free because they were super rich. And so they were like, let's just tell people to pay whatever they want. And then small businesses, people seem to think that the music industry and the movie industry is all blockbusters, as if the only movies that ever get made are big $100 million

ventures from Disney, when in reality, 99% of movies are small, low-budget films made by small... Well, yeah. There's definitely an irony going on in media where... Not an irony, but I guess it's just, it seems counterintuitive, which is that as the cost per minute of production of content is going way down,

like a camera that can produce HD video is like one, 100th the cost it was 10 years ago. It's actually in Hollywood. It's really being, becoming vertically integrated. You know, the Netflix is, and all the big studios, it basically has to be marketed globally, like to China, to all these massive streaming audiences, and the niche little independent movies are actually disappearing.

Right. So I've known people who worked in the movie industry. I know people who went to college for movies, and I know what movie production is actually like. It's a large and massive industry of low- small business medium-sized businesses and the massive multinational corporations that do disney but just because disney is like oh no we lost 100 million off of our expected billion and everyone goes who cares piracy isn't theft and then my friend goes i lost my job today and i'm like why what happened everybody pirated the movie we made we couldn't make any money our money back that's they don't know that that's the no they do no that's the

excuse when a company makes crappy content my friend lost their i don't care about that you don't care about my friend and losing their job because you're a thief fine whatever if someone makes crappy content and then they complain that it's the pirates that made it so they weren't able to sell their product you know wake up you're you had a crap product you think that everyone was stealing their content because it was bad they were downloading it and checking it out and they thought it sucked and it did suck so it didn't sell why would they download it if it sucked because they wanted to find out if it sucked or if it was good and then they told their friends hey download it it sucks well obviously not if it sucked so then why were they downloading it to see if it was good i just told you so so so

how come before piracy they were able to market it and make money, and then afterwards people just said, oh, I think it sucks, so I'll download it anyway? Ian, that makes literally no sense. There's no before and after piracy. There's no argument for taking people's – What movie came out before piracy and after piracy? There is none.

Well, let's just use films instead of music because I think there's kind of a certain amount of capital required in order to make a film that makes it a little bit different from an album, right? Because you need more people to come together to make a movie, more money, right? Okay. So what's happening to films right now? The independent film, quote unquote, business was much more vibrant when everybody was arguing that piracy was going to basically destroy the film business. So why is it that piracy is much less of an issue now? Technology solved the problem.

Independent film businesses, technology didn't solve the problem. There are no more good independent films. The sub $1 million budget films. So like things have become homogenized and corporatized in an era when you would think that it's so cheap to make movies now. Why don't we have more good small films?

It's not piracy. It's because multinational corporations are controlling basically the output of feature-length films. Where is that output? It's China. No, no, no. China. How do you watch the movie? On a streaming something, something.

And so how does an independent service distribute their movies? Okay, so basically you'd have to sell it to one of those streaming services. And what if they say no? Then they do. That's what happens now. And so then where do you distribute your movie after you made it if the streaming platforms don't want it? China. No, nowhere.

What do you mean? Your website. Your website. Nobody goes to your website to watch. But they did before streaming services. They go to Netflix and they watch some garbage. The issue is Amazon, Netflix, Paramount make it so easy to watch every movie. But if you aren't on those platforms, and I've had the same, but I can't remember what

it's called. It's not that hard to get on those platforms, though. It's just a question of whether or not it's featured on the little browse button. But when I search, there's like 50 horror movies on Amazon. It's the same thing on YouTube, though. It's just a question of whether or not it's featured on the little browse button. But when I search, there's like 50 horror movies on Amazon. You can post an amazing video to YouTube and nobody freaking sees it because the algorithm doesn't put you in there. There are tons of people I know who have pitched to Amazon and gotten turned down. And they all, they produce the movies. Is this after the movie's produced or is this prior to production? So a lot of companies will produce a movie

and then pitch it for distribution. Some companies will go to Amazon for funding specifically. And I know people who have pitched to Amazon and got rejected. Yes, that's definitely the case. And I know people who have then said, we're going to distribute it through our website and we're going to do a promo campaign. And then I know that people are like, I'll just download it for free.

I don't necessarily agree. Because you're featuring it on your website, then people are going to pirate it? Yes. I don't necessarily agree. Or just don't watch it at all. Because you're featuring it on your website, then people are going to pirate it? Yes. I don't know. Here's what I think. I think that the streaming services are the gatekeepers now. And whether or not you show up in the algorithm.

And so you basically have to be one of these 10 massive production companies. And all the smaller ones are either getting swallowed up into that vertical integration or they're not getting on the algorithm. So those are the two options. So why is it that people chose Amazon over what they used to do with Torrents and stuff like that? Because it's easier. So that's why I say I think for the most part it's been solved to a certain degree. Like piracy has been very solved to a certain degree. People still pirate.

That's what I'm saying is it's been solved and you're saying that piracy hurts the little guy. What I'm saying is actually the ease of the streaming platforms and the fact that nobody has to go and find their stuff anymore. We started the conversation by me saying the problem has mostly been solved by streaming services. But back during the height of piracy, if someone made a movie and the budget was $100,000 and then you downloaded it for free, those people could not make another movie. Because instead of selling it what they normally would have sold, made money, and then filmed a sequel, people downloaded it. I was at the premiere for What We Do in the Shadows. And you know what was really funny about What We Do in the Shadows? You guys see that movie?

It's, um, what's the guy's name? From Taika Waititi and Jemaine Clement. I was there at the premiere in New York City. And after it ended, they're doing questions. And I raised my hand and I said, I'm going to be honest with you guys. I already saw the movie.

Like, it's all over the Internet for free. Does that hurt your business? And, dude, Jermaine was like, yes, man. It was a huge problem. Yeah, but he doesn't know. That's the problem. Because none of those people that downloaded may have such an arrogant no but all those people you're so mean all those

people see that though if all those people see that like don't you think that you know them and that entering the popular consciousness because so many people stole your movie there's a certain currency associated with occupying people's time and you know them watching your content like i if i put out a movie i'd be i'd be like oh you're telling me a million people stole this and you know them watching your content like i if i put out a movie i'd be i'd be like oh you're telling me a million people stole this and got it for free cool that's a million people who saw my movie that's and so are you making it as a hobby how do you fund it i mean i think down the road you can figure something out you just i think keep washing dishes until you i think there's a i think there's a really easy distinction here is that i've had a lot of

friends who worked in the industry lose their jobs and have their lives upended because of what happened with piracy in the 2000s you don't and you don't care about them no the entertainment industry is dead now i was there i used to work in it i see but i'm just arguing it i'm i'm saying i'm not disagreeing that they lost their jobs what i'm saying is like seven years in tibet was 1997 and that was the first movie mgm made it and you know china was the villain there and then after that it got banned in China and they lost hundreds of millions of dollars. And ever since then, we've been homogenizing and corporatizing everything that goes into theaters. Right, right, right.

And that is my – It's bad. In my opinion, that homogenization has led to less independent productions. But that's – like we're specifically – the question was brought up based on an argument we had last week. Yeah, where do we even start? It's piracy theft. The answer is yes, it is. Well, I mean that's – like we're specifically – the question was brought up based on an argument we had last week. Yeah, where do we even start? It's piracy theft. The answer is yes, it is. Well, no, I mean that's your answer.

But it literally – But does that theft actually result in – It's a crime you need to jail for. What if you painted a picture and someone took it and stole it and then put it in front of the White House so 100 million people saw it and everyone wanted to buy a copy of it and you became super rich? Well, okay. So have you gone to New York? Yeah, I used to live there. Did you ever walk up to somebody

who was doing paintings in the street? Mm-hmm. And what do they have written down next to their paintings? There's a sign. Oh, I don't know. No photos. Right.

You know why? Because people take a picture. Yeah, because they want to sell the original. People take a picture of it and then they don't make money and then they can't paint anymore. But we got a lot. Well, if you get 100 million people that copy your movie.

Ian, you're a pirate. Ian, people aren't famous. You're going to be fine. People aren't famous. If you made a movie. The movie industry is not Marvel. The movie industry are small regional films that appear at art theaters. No, the movie industry is Marvel now.

It is. If you made a 30-minute movie with your friends and then 100 million people pirated it, that is good for you. Hey, I have an idea. Because you're going to be super famous. And if you buy a lottery ticket, you can win $100 million. But the people I know who are working on small productions for regional films and going to art theaters who lost their job. People don't buy those, dude. Yes, they did.

People don't buy art films. Ian, you are. Who pays money to watch art films? Go to New York. Go to Houston. They have art theaters. It was in this genre for years. Yeah, I agree, but that industry is gone.

I had friends who had jobs. They had lives. I used to work in the industry, man. And you don't care about that. Well, I mean, I acknowledge what's changed about the industry. I have sympathy that they lost a job. You know, I don't wish ill on them or anything. Chris Rose, 1986, says...

Joe didn't see that new art film. In the hospital, when you were in labor, you, the mother, become second. The doctor will do everything to save the baby first. I have personally experienced this with my labor because my child was premature. Interesting. Frosty, this is interesting. This super chat was actually from a while ago before I made this point. Using this logic on piracy, taking a photo of a painting is theft.

In some capacities yes the native americans said if you took their picture you were stealing their soul all right now that the argument has completely subsumed i know this should have been the theme of the show can we get like an ian as a pirate like ian as a pirate can we get like a shirt we say like okay hold on no it's a shirt so he's a pirate, like Ian as a pirate. Yeah, Ian's a pirate. Can we get like a shirt? Okay, hold on. No, it's a shirt with Ian as a pirate and he's saying, I'm going to steal your corn. I am the captain now. Yes.

Because Ian argued last week with a bunch of corn. Richie, last week, Ian argued that he can steal farmer's corn. I did not argue. He did. Oh, I used to do that.

I grew up across the street. Richie. I did, yeah. And I used Napster and I stole the farm across the street. Nice. You're all over. I did stole it. Are you familiar with a farmer and I stole the farm across the street. Oh, my gosh. Nice. You're all over.

I did stole it. Are you familiar with the farmer? That was, what, seven years. Yeah, it was more than seven years ago. It was like 20-something years ago. It's okay. Well, you admit it. Yannette Santana says, Ian has no idea how the real world works.

Send him to Cuba for one week with no Western Union. That was a very vague statement. Black Rock Beacon says- You're 42 years old, for Christ's sake. Black Rock Beacon says, bros, making old, for Christ's sake. Black Rock Beacon says, Bros, making copies is not piracy, it's forgery. Ian, please read what I sent you on Minds Chat. Not enough room in Super Chat to explain the rest.

It's forgery if you're saying it's the original, if you're just copying it. Curtis Reynolds says, I'm guessing Ian steals content every day. That's why he's so adamant that piracy isn't theft. Of course it's theft. Every act of piracy steals income from the producer. Wow. Bloodacy isn't theft. Of course it's theft. Every act of piracy steals income from the producer. Wow.

Blood on Ian's hand. Of course it's theft. You literally have the blood of unemployed musicians on your hand. I ruined the music industry. That's true. Ian himself. By himself. You're going to see it with that.

Will.I.Am says, sorry, Ian, if I work on something with my brain and you use it without compensation, it is stealing whether it's good or not. Says who? Says Will I am. Says the US government? Says the law that was written before today? Let's change the law. Alright, let's see. What's up, Will? You know there used to be campaigns telling people not to record

the radio? Because you could put a cassette tape on and press record and they would be like... That was my childhood. Yeah. Are you recording from the radio? Wait till Kokomo a cassette tape on and press record and they would be like That was my childhood. Yeah. Are you recording from the radio? Wait till Kokomo from the Beach Boys came on and hit record right after it starts. The issue is everyone always says, well, who cares

about the rich people? And I'm like, bro, I don't. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the small businesses that were destroyed by this. When you have a small business and Disney and the revenue drops because of piracy, the small business goes below the line. You're assuming it's because of piracy. I'm not assuming it. There's been studies that say that it enhances the sales of products.

I think that's the best way you frame the argument thus far, which is that basically, like, for example, with the shoplifting stuff like these massive corporations can deal with that they can absorb a small business you can't absorb it i i get that yep so if if you take away 20 of the margin from from small production uh companies and their margin is 18 throughout a business but you take away 20 from disney and they're like oh no I guess we'll only make a billion dollars this time. I just think it's more the kind of the corporatization of art, music, films just over the course of American history to become more and more corporate regardless of the cost per minute of video. And so like the same group thing that we see in the news is happening in Hollywood. And like, you know, but for the Tim Pools and, you know, I think there are new independent filmmakers out there. And so the same group thing that we see in the news is happening in Hollywood. But there are the Tim Pools, and I think there are new independent filmmakers out there.

I think there will be a new Hollywood, a new American Hollywood. I got to read this one. It's great. Arias Raffle Cal says, tell us the name of your friend's movie or it's fake. years old when I was 18 and used to hang out at Columbia in Chicago with like a network of 30 or so people who are doing various music and film industry stuff. And then when I was 20, I had friends be like, I lost my job. And like a bunch of them lost their jobs. Like, yeah, I don't know the names of all the movies they were working on or the, or the albums they were producing. That happened. Anyway, thanks for hanging out. We're gonna have a bonus segment though. So if you want to hear more rage and maybe I'll flip the table over.

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