Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #346 - University Exposed Experimenting On Full Term Baby Parts w/Cassandra & FreedomToons

Episode Date: August 7, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join Cassandra Fairbanks and Seamus Coughlin from FreedomToons to discuss the US government funding the gathering of minority fetal tissues, the scandal of PETA, DeSantis' blasting of Joe Biden, and Britney Spears' announcement that she has converted to Catholicism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a viral clip. Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan podcast. And I think it was Eddie Bravo, that's the comedian's name, right? And he says to Alex, do you really think that they're taking aborted babies, like, you know, late term, to experiment on? And Alex is screaming and ranting, yes, they had a vote on it, it's happening. And then all these articles come out saying Alex Jones is a crackpot conspiracy theorist, and now we have leaked documents. And Yahoo News is publishing this yahoo news come on you want to come out and tell me the media is biased sure they've they've republished the story they're carrying it and uh university

of pittsburgh was doing experiments on fetal tissue from aborted babies some at 42 weeks old for those that don't know what that means, in the UK at least, 37 weeks is considered full term. That's like a baby that could be born. You could do a C-section, the baby's alive. In the US, 40 weeks is widely considered to be a living baby. So they had aborted babies at 42 weeks and were doing experiments. I got to tell you, man, I read this, i couldn't believe it i absolutely could not believe it they were taking tissues i hope you're ready for this because this is not for the faint of heart it's not for your kids no this is dark stuff i mean youtube might even take us down because it's how sickening this stuff is but this is news and it's being

covered by a ton of outlets and uh so i hope you're ready for this they would take the tissue from these babies and graft it to rats yep five month old aborted children yikes very very dark stuff so we'll talk about that um it's not going to be a completely dark episode you know show we we do have a bunch to make fun of biden about so it will laugh and and we'll cry so i hope you're ready for one of the more serious shows because I saw this story and I was like, we got it. How could this be real? How could the universities

be doing this? And it's, you know when, you know, Seamus mentioned before the show, we're a nation of tolerators. When people are just like, hey man,

I'm going to mind my own business. It's like, dude, what's that saying? You know, all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. That's right.

Well, let's talk about it. We are hanging out with, we got a good crew. It's Friday night. We're going to have a chill night. We got Cassandra Fairbanks hanging out.

Hey. You have a, do you want to make an announcement? Oh, I got engaged. Oh, good for you. Oh, Brett. Congratulations. PETA kills animals.

Oh, yeah. Those are my two general announcements. Jeez, this is such a dark episode. Up and down, man. Like laughing, man. That's all you can do. We have Ian. He'silling. Hey, everybody. Thanks for coming, Cassandra. What's up? What's a

PETA thing? Well, let's do it after the intro. I'll go into that. Well, I think we should talk about that after we have a discussion on what's been done to these innocent children who were killed and used for scientific experiments. I'm Seamus of Freedom Tunes. It was funny, when we started the show, or when we were going to start the show, we were doing the pre-show. I kind of had like a bit planned

and some things we were going to joke about to call back to last episode and some jokes we were telling then. But this is just so dark that it kind of brought the energy down. But I think that's important. I mean, there are some topics that I think the audience should really hear about, even if it's not going to be extremely entertaining. And the reality is we are a society of tolerators. We don't build things and we don't prevent people from destroying things. We just let other people act in our stead. My grandfather fought in the Second World War.

And after two years of battling through Europe, he liberated the Flossenburg concentration camp. And he was fluent in German. So he went to the local priest and he asked him, how could you let this happen? People were being slaughtered near your town. You knew it was going on. You didn't do anything. And what the priest said was that the SS told him if he said anything or tried to do anything, they would come in and murder all of his parishioners.

And I remember as a kid thinking about that and wondering, what would I do in that situation if people I knew and loved would be killed if I spoke out against evil? But here I am, and it's 2021, and we all have the opportunity to speak out about unborn children being slaughtered every single day, about human experiments being performed on completely faultless, defenseless human beings who were killed in the womb, about children who were killed after they were born so their organs could be harvested, and we don't say anything. And it has to stop. It has to stop. How will we be judged?

We're going to get in all that. We got Lydia pressing the buttons. I am pressing the buttons. You guys all know that I am super pro-life. That is my hill to die, and I'm the one that sent Seamus this article that started all this nonsense because it's really bad, and I'm really hoping to open everybody's eyes a little bit to this. So hopefully it's not too dark. Hopefully we're able to kind of shed some light on it.

Hopefully it'll be a pretty good night. We'll see. You know, we had a bunch of jokes. Like Ron DeSantis was making fun of Joe Biden, saying his brain isn't all there. And we're all laughing and have a good time. And then we pop the story and we're like, man, this is the world. Dude, things have been getting dark. I'll tell you this.

We've got a lot going on. I mean, the military coming out in Sydney to lock things down. You've got the – there's too much. The Apple spying thing. They always try to go – you know what? I want to save that because I want to keep that in the context of what they're doing to children. So go to TimCast.com. Become a member.

Help support our work, our fierce and independent journalism. And like this video. Share the show with your friends. I don't know, man. I would say of all of the shows to share, this is probably the most important. But I don't know how many people are going to want to be like, look at this. Because I was reading the story, and I was like, Seamus, what happened? I'm like, I don't even know if I want to read it to you. But we're going to do it.

I had to sit outside after Tim was reading the details. I had to go outside for a minute. My daughter was born at 36 weeks. She was a full person, I mean. Yeah. Well, again, I believe life begins, I shouldn't just say I believe this, I mean, it is a fact that life begins at conception. But people clearly argue over whether an unborn child is a human. I think it's a ridiculous argument, but surely we're not arguing over whether a child that has already been born is human at this point. But evidently we are. And you mentioned that children, you mentioned 42 weeks.

I mean, they induce labor at 42 weeks. I want to say something about this. Let's pull this story up right now. Yeah, let's go. And Alex Jones was right. Let me first give you some context. We have from Yahoo News, government-funded scientists sought out aborted minority babies for research. I mean, on top of that, it's racist? What?

I'm not even trying to make a joke about this. This is insane. Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh received at least $2.7 million in federal funds to study fetal organs and attempted to retrieve half their samples from the aborted babies of minorities, according to documents released Tuesday. Again, Yahoo News. The National Institutes of Health had overseen experiments on fetal tissue at the University of Pittsburgh since 2015 from aborted fetuses ranging from six to 42 weeks or two weeks past what is widely considered to be full term.

For the particular study in question, the grant request specified that half the samples must come from aborted fetuses of minorities, including at least 25% from African American women, according to documents obtained by the Center for Medical Progress and Judicial Watch. Let me just stress, they say they were studying fetal organs. They retrieved them from some babies up to 42 weeks, and they had the nerve. Alex Jones, Joe Rogan war leads to conspiracy theory meltdown. Info Wars host says babies harvested for organs.

Now, maybe that's a very extreme interpretation of it. What they're saying is, admittedly, not much better, that the babies had already been aborted. So, you know, by all means, they can experiment on that stuff. But I'll tell you this, man, I'll say I want to say two things. First, when the law allows a baby at 42 weeks to be aborted, then someone can go, well, better not let the living baby go to waste. I'll tell you this. If a baby is at 42 weeks and I'm going to operate on the assumption, you know, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe the baby was stillborn or something like that. It's it's it's an aborted fetus at 42 weeks and i'm going to operate on the assumption you know i'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe the baby was stillborn or something like that it's it's it's an aborted fetus at 42 weeks they could have performed a c-section and that baby is alive

so this is beyond the pale this is something i want to know what women were carrying babies for 42 weeks to get an abortion to give it to science to use as a human guinea pig. Like, what kind of person carries a baby for 42 weeks? Could it have been stillborn, maybe? That's not what the article says. I know. I don't want to believe that our country, that universities, that they're funding this stuff. I want to be like, maybe it was... Believe it, man. I know. Believe it. country that universities that they're funding this stuff i want to i want to be like maybe it was believe it man i don't believe it still born is a type of abortion involuntary abortions yeah i mean miscarriages are called spontaneous abortion sometimes but what we are what we

are talking about is children who were being killed intentionally and then experimented we know that 100 yeah well we know this because um there was an expose done of Planned Parenthood back in 2015 where they went in with hidden cameras and found that higher-ups at Planned Parenthood were negotiating prices for the sale of fetal tissue. And in the footage, they were saying things like, oh, you know, whoever throws a price out in negotiations first loses in making jokes about the luxury cars they wanted to buy. It was really obvious that these people were selling this tissue for profit. And what the media repeatedly said was

this footage is deceptively edited. It's not really happening. But the organization headed by David Daleiden, I should mention, was putting the full unedited footage on the internet for everyone to see, which isn't what you do when you deceptively edit footage to try to trick the public. Now, Kamala Harris really went after him and did everything she could to prosecute him in California. And then very Catholic Joe Biden selected her to be his vice president. And as soon as he's in office, he repeals the Trump era restrictions on federal funding for experimentation using aborted children. is our very catholic president that is the devout administration under which we live right now now we got to be careful uh that story planned parenthood was awarded a lawsuit uh over that they they were awarded two million dollars

i know i i believe part of that was he didn't have their consent to film them. I mean, they were very clearly negotiating and haggling over the price for these unborn children that they had killed in order to sell them and turn a profit on it. Is it that it was edited to make it look like they killed them, but in fact they had been aborted by the parents? It was Planned Parenthood, right? So what they do is perform abortions, and then they were selling the tissue after the fact. I guess if a mother asked Planned Parenthood to abort the kid, who's the killer? Is it the mother or the Planned Parenthood? We don't need to bring the story up.

We have a new story right now confirming. No, I guess, sure, sure. My point is that this is something we've known about. Yeah. Well, the issue there is if we want this to be clean and straightforward and be able to tell people, when you're sitting down for dinner with your family members who don't believe you and you bring up that story, they're going to say, oh, they lost. Those people lost that lawsuit.

They were liars. No, we have a story right now. We don't need to bring up the past. They're doing this. We have documents that were released. They are buying this stuff. I don't care where they're buying it from. Yeah, no, I think both stories are still important in part because, again, the full footage is available online for people to watch.

If somebody doesn't believe you, I think it's an easy argument to make. The crazy thing about this is it like I got it. I hope your kids aren't listening, my friends, because let me let me let me let me let me read this. All right. For the particular study in question, the grant request specified that half the samples must come from aborted fetuses of minorities, as we read. Projects funded by the National Institutes of Health must ensure appropriate inclusion of women and minorities. They should also ensure distribution of the study reflects the population needed to accomplish the scientific goals. Selden said that one of the goals is to support researchers looking for treatments and cures for kidney disease, which disproportionately affects minorities. Selden added that researchers have no part in any decisions as to timing method or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy.

CMP founder and president David Daladen slammed the university in a statement on tuesday the nih grant application for just one of pitt's numerous experiments with aborted fetus infants reads like an episode american horror story law enforcement and public officials should act immediately to bring the next next kermit gosnell to justice under the law the stuff that they were doing was absolutely insane. I don't know where we had that. Oh, yeah, so I had another story pulled up that was talking about the grafting of fat tissue,

but I guess I can't find it. I don't know. Did it get removed? I had a story pulled up about that here. I had some information about that here that I can pull up, that they were scalping five-month-old. Please, I mean, again, for the faint of heart. here that i can pull up that they were um they were scalping five month old uh please i mean again for the faint of heart they were scalping five month old uh aborted fetuses to stitch onto

lab rats who said who is um this is i have it i have it's from news right here okay gosh yeah it says in one study published last year pit scientists described scalping five month old aborted babies to stitch onto the backs of lab rats. They wrote about how they cut the scalps from the heads and backs of the babies, scraping off the excess fat under the baby's skin before stitching it onto the rats. They even included photos of the baby's hair growing out of the scalps. Each scalp belonged to a little Pennsylvania baby whose head would grow those same hairs if he or she were not aborted for experiments with lab rats.

Now that's propaganda. It's a dead body. It's not a baby anymore. Hold on, what do you mean that's propaganda? That's a child scalping someone's rat. For all I know, someone chose to abort that child, and now to call it a baby is disingenuous because it's a corpse. It's not disingenuous.

They killed a baby. Okay, then it's a baby corpse, and they're sewing its scalp to a rat. You don't think that's a violation of human dignity and value? They find that infant skin cells are good for like stem cells because they're so young and vibrant, I guess. So they use like stem cell experiments. They use infant and fetal

aborted fetal stem cells. That doesn't justify it. It's why they're doing it with those cells particularly, scientifically. I just don't understand why it's propaganda or how it could be Because they're like, if this child hadn't been,

then it would have been a glowing baby. That's not propaganda. You don't know that. That's literally a fact. How many weeks are in five months? 20-ish.

Finding, from Newsweek, from 2015, finding that babies born at 22 weeks can survive could change abortion debate. Dude, this 42-week thing is insane. Premature born at 22 weeks can survive could change abortion debate. Dude, this 42-week thing is insane.

Premature babies at five months can survive. It's a 10-month abortion? 42 weeks? Yep. That's insane. That's right. I'm in the one-trimester camp, and then after that, I think it's murder. I think it's alive.

I think it has a brain. I think it's a human. But in the first, you know, couple, three months, it's still developing. Listen, listen, listen. It's a person. I mean, from conception, where else do you draw the line? Like when the brain is formed. The thing I find the craziest about this is that this story is from May.

And I write news all day for two websites. And I didn't hear any of these details about it. But all day today, I mean, everybody was outraged about Fauci killing puppies, which they should be. Right. But why isn't there the same outrage about literal, like, full-term babies? Yeah, agreed. Like, this is, I mean...

We talk about, like, that infamous group of Japanese scientists that, you know, they were recruited. What was it called? Was that Operation Paperclip? 47? Fahrenheit. No, no, no.

Operation, was it Paperclip? Were they... Paperclip's where they brought all the Nazi scientists to the U.S. I believe that's correct. The Japanese camp. There was a camp where they were like unit 7. It was unit 747, I want to say. No.

Unit 7 something. I don't remember. I'm sorry. Yeah, science is a brutal industry. That's for sure. I mean, they used to rip people. It's extremely unethical. Science has to be restricted based on legitimate ethical concerns. There are certain things you shouldn't be, right? It's extremely unethical. Science has to be restricted based on legitimate ethical concerns.

There are certain things you shouldn't be able to do. The Japanese scientists would take a prisoner and stick their arm out of a door, like into the cold, and watch it freeze, and then shatter it while the person was still alive in the other room to see what would happen to them. That's exciting. They say that what we know about frostbite largely comes from the Japanese doing research on live human beings.

That's horrible. I mean, people talk about the Nazi experiments, like, you know, and rightly condemn them pretty much across the board. And then we're doing it here. Like, we're literally doing it in Pittsburgh. Well, and it's crazy because people, I mean, look, people are comfortable with things like this happening as long as they never have to think about it. They can know what's going on.

But if it's not brought up, then they're able to sleep at night for whatever reason. after, for example, the Second World War, I mentioned this earlier, my grandfather and his unit marched all of the townspeople through the camp to show them, this is what happened here, this is what you allowed. We have unparalleled technological infrastructure for communication. This information should be very easy to get to people, but the people who have access to the gatekeeping, more or less, don't want the information getting out there. And so even when you do have access to the information, people will shame you for discussing it. So I know that there are some campus organizations and other pro-life groups that will show people what an abortion actually looks like,

show people the aftermath of an unborn child that's been killed, and people consider that to be evil or cruel. The act of doing it isn't evil or cruel, but showing people a picture of it, that's unreasonable. What matters is no one ever has to confront what we're doing. We have to protect everybody's feelings. We have to make sure they don't feel guilty about what society is doing and about what the abortionists are doing and the fact that no one is standing up to stop it. The real crime is showing someone that they've supported evil not the evil itself the important clarification for the sake of all of the fact checkers would be people are getting abortions and then doctors are

buying the the fetus right we don't want to conflate it that the doctors are murdering the children and taking it's like the i don like the parents are authorizing this stuff. I mean, but you are complicit if you know that a child was aborted and you are receiving the tissue. Let's try it a different way. Let's say that you're a researcher and you need fresh corpses that are from someone who died in the immediate, and there's a guy who somehow just keeps having to have them all for you to buy.

Yeah. You see, the problem I have with this is that they lobby for a thing to happen and then exploit the worst aspects of it in one of the most horrifying and disgusting ways. Like, I don't even know, man.

This is... Making me think of like industrial animal slaughter because they'll not let people see that stuff either. I got a problem with that too. Pig farms where there's all the feces and blood in the pools around there. And that's all bad. It's all bad.

But they won't let people take pictures. No one says it's unethical. They don't let you take photos of PETA ripping animals away from the sanctuaries that they're in. And they have the courts siding with them and issuing gag orders on people and not allowing any filming. And also, Ian, the big difference is – People like to hide their crimes. Exactly.

I think there's another point here to be made because there's a significant difference. When somebody shows me an animal being killed, right, and, of course, there are more and less ethical ways to kill an animal, but I can still say I believe that it's okay to kill animals to eat them. If you show me factory farming, I can say this is the wrong way of doing it. But no one says it's cruel or inhumane or evil to show someone who has eaten meat what happens when you kill an animal in order to get that meat. But it's considered cruel and inhumane to show to people who are considering abortion

what abortion actually looks like. No, I think people get mad at you if you show them the factory farming process i think there are some people who will get mad at you but generally speaking people understand that they're being provided with more information i think most people including people who eat meat understand that factory farming is really messed up it's really messed up man i've been to the farms where they have like the organic meat and i was so impressed i told i've told the story before where the cows are just like the door is open there's no gate and i'm like what is this it's like are the cows are gonna leave and the farmer's like where are they gonna go and i'm like anywhere

and he's like like they got food here and i was like wow and so the the cows are happy they live full lives they have food it's all automatic and the farmer just lets them do their thing and then i've also driven past the factory farms where the ground is sludge and they're all packed in and it's horrifying and it smells. I saw an undercover video at a factory farm of one of the guys. And what happens is people, either they find people that are already psychotic. No offense if you work at a factory farm. Or people that are just willing to allow themselves to be okay with murdering. And what they'll do is they train themselves to see pig.

That means it has to die. And they treat it like a piece of wood. Like they'll pick up a baby and smash it on the ground until it explodes its head. And then they'll like throw it in a pile. And there's like living animals screaming as they're getting hit. They started passing these laws. What are they called? Like agag.

Agag. You couldn't film the horrible things they do. Like, dude, I'm all about. We're raising chickens. I don't know if we'll eat these ones because they're the stars of chicken city so they might they might get you know a pardon but uh we're raising a couple babies and i got no problem eating the animals and growing the vegetables and we try you try and do it right you know we're we're we understand now uh some people don't eat

meat because they don't want to cause suffering they don't want uh you know for me i'm like well you know i'll hunt and i'll eat but we're going to do it right we're want to cause suffering. They don't want, you know. For me, I'm like, well, you know, I'll hunt and I'll eat, but we're going to do it right. We're going to minimize suffering of the animal, and we're going to accept that this is part of the life cycle. But, man, I've seen some of these videos where, like, a guy, I watched a guy, like, punt a chicken just for no reason. No reason.

And I'm like, dude, it's because it's mechanized. It's just shuffle them in. They throw them in the grinder, and's just, it's horrible, man. It's really horrible stuff to watch, you know? And I don't know what you do in that regard. People are definitely willing to tolerate that. But I'll tell you when it comes to what they're willing to do to human beings. Exactly.

It's like, why would I be surprised that they horribly mistreat the animals who are already living horrible lives when you can see what people are willing to do to each other. Exactly. When you look at what people do to other human beings. And it's no surprise that we have this unbelievably horrific warfare state where people are killed in other countries, and the United States government will either do it or support governments that will go to war and commit violence against civilians,

like the Saudi Arabian government has been doing in Yemen. Because if I don't have an obligation to care for my own unborn child and it's okay for me to kill them, then why should I care about somebody on the other side of the world? We need that. We will not have world peace for as long as we have abortion. We will not. We got, I don't know. I don't know what the root of this issue is.

I know I can already hear many of the leftists saying it's capitalism. It's the, you know, they cut costs, they reduce costs. And I'm like, I don't think. I don't know what the root of this issue is. I know I can already hear many of the leftists saying it's capitalism. It's the, you know, they cut costs. They reduce costs. And I'm like, I don't think that's it. People want and will eat meat. And you end up with these really nasty situations. And not to mention, what goes on with factory farming results in infected meat. And then they put like, what do they put, like ammonium or something in the beef because of the bacteria preserves it yeah i tell you this you guys with antibiotics i have been saying get out

of the cities for some time for a variety of reasons yeah i've been talking about you know growing your own food and raising our chickens for a while now where we live we can drive 15 20 minutes and be at a farm and there's one farm nearby it's like self-checkout it's the craziest thing i heard you you walk in there's nobody. And they've got like freezers with the meat freshly harvested from like organic field farm-raised animals. And you walk up. You grab it. You scan it. You pay.

You walk out. Nobody's even there. I'm like, that's amazing. That's amazing. You can see the animals. We went to one farm. And all the goats ran out. And they were all yelling at us.

And we were laughing. And the goats have this nice little area. And they're jumping up and down. And they're dancing and having a good time. And I'm like, they're living it. We farm. It's what we do. But they're having a good time while they're dancing having a good time and i'm like they're living it yeah you know we farm it's what we do but they're having a good time while they're here no i agree i agree it's like um the luxury of like european agricultural life being out here but with the value of the united states like uh product lines like you can order

anything and receive anything by delivery but we live like in this awesome farm. And there's a lot of people in this country that don't care about anything. And that's what really bothers me. You know, because we pulled up the polling data the other day from civics and saw that among Democrat voters, they think the economy is doing fairly good. And among independents and conservatives, they say it's fairly bad. Why? Because those are the people that are in reality. And so I genuinely think like, you know, you look at people who live in rural areas who tend to be conservative.

Like, they raise animals. They take care of their animals. They're not living in cities where it's mechanized pollution and waste and factory farming. To get enough food into those cities is very, very, very difficult. I mean, cities can be great for a lot of reasons. I know some people are like, hey, stop bragging on cities. I get it. Arts and culture can be fun.

But the difficulty in bringing in resources into cities, it's crazy when you go to New York and you see how you can't park anywhere. There's delivery trucks on everyone all the time because they got to get enough food in for the massively tall skyscrapers. It is not an easy thing to do. So they mechanize the process. They mechanize factory farms. They mass produce as much as they can. I tell you this, dude, when Alex Jones was here, there's another thing he was right about. And he told me,

did you know you're eating cloned beef? And I said, no, we're not. We're not eating cloned beef. That's crazy. And then I Googled it. Yeah, we've been eating cloned beef. They clone the animals. That is mind blowing how awful all this stuff is. I am a lifelong vegetarian. Yeah, you're happy about it. Yeah, you've never eaten meat. No. I am a lifelong vegetarian and very happy about it. Yeah, no kidding. You've never eaten meat. No. I mean, look, I got no problem eating meat. I mean, before I was three, I think I did.

I saw Bambi and it screwed me all up. My parents indulged me thinking it was a phase and my stubbornness, I just never ate it again. I'll tell you. I love this story. Are you vegan? Not currently. I went through big eight-year chunks of being vegan.

You've been vocally supportive of animal rights. Do you find that there's a through line with the abortion and animal agriculture? I mean, I think that it's all terrible things that we're closing our eyes to. I think that factory farming is terrible. But I also hate the animal rights industry also and anybody who's been following me knows this very well um my i think my current twitter name is your handle is yeah all my homies hate peter and i've dedicated my life to now destroying peter in any way possible i'm going to be meeting with senators next month and I am working on a massive project,

including probably a documentary about the evil stuff that they're doing. But people turn a blind eye to it because like a lot of things, you know, you have like Antifa who claim that they're anti-fascist. That sounds so nice and lovely. We all hate fascists.

It's terrible. Yeah. PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, actually kill more animals than a lot of these things that they're fighting. I mean, they like to think that they're doing good. People will donate to PETA without looking into the fact that they've killed 75% of all animals that come into their Virginia animal shelter. And people will be like, oh, we're pro-choice because women have a right to their body and that's great and wonderful. But they don't think about the cost of any of those things. They don't think about what's really happening, what these organizations are really doing. And I think that it all kind of ties in together in a way that we all just like to look away from terrible things being done.

This is the nonprofit industry. I worked for these fundraising organizations, and the reason they work is because you're going to people. And this is what I would actually tell people. You are selling hopes and dreams. You are selling absolvement of responsibility because when we would go out we would fundraise for the environment or for any specific like advocacy we'd be like hey you're busy we get it you can't actively do these things so let us do it why don't you pitch in i worked for them too that's right and so people would be like make sense to me here's money and then when i find out what they do with that money i got really mad i ended up jumping organizations like oh these

people are bad and then i realized hey wait a minute that group was bad too and then i realized wow they're like most of them are bad yeah have you ever seen poverty inc no i would just recommend everybody check that out it's sort of an expose on the organizations internationally that claim that they're lifting people out of poverty and through foreign aid and charitable works, improving circumstances in underdeveloped countries, but they're more or less in it for themselves. They don't really achieve the results that they claim they're going to. It's a very good documentary. It's been a while since I've seen it, so I wouldn't be able to do it justice in my summary, but I would recommend everybody

check it out. I was watching Rogan a little. I watch Rogan pretty much frequently, and he had a guest on. They were talking about the homeless industry in California, and they get, I don't know if it's a billion. Is it over a billion dollars a year? But what happens is it goes to the executives of these companies that are supposedly taking care, and they make six digits, $250,000 salary, $300,000 salary, $400,000. So it's so profitable for those people that they don't want to fix the problem. As long as they're working on the problem, they're making bank. This is why Thomas Sowell says, never put activists in charge of solving the problem.

They make their money off of a problem being there. Ingrid Newkirk, actually, sorry to keep going back to PETA. I'm completely obsessed with taking them down. Ingrid Newkirk, the president of PETA, they brag all the time, oh, she only takes a $30,000 a year salary. Look at this great human. She really cares about animals, even though she's completely lobbying for all pit bulls to be eradicated,

there to be no pets in human homes including cats and dogs, and that she has personally killed thousands of dogs with her own hands. But she is worth millions of dollars despite taking only this $30,000 a year salary. I can explain how this works.

I can't speak for PETA specifically. I can't speak for other organizations. And I can explain to you. 501c3, you guys know what a 501c3 is? Nonprofit organization. It's tax deductible, nonpolitical. And these are the organizations you often hear about where they say, you know, your donation to us is tax-deductible. In certain circumstances, they will.

And then they'll say, our executive director only takes $40,000 a year because they are good and noble. What they don't tell you is that they operate a 501c4, another kind of nonprofit. 501c4 is also, I believe, that's the designation for Super PACs as well. They don't need to disclose their donations. It's not tax deductible, and that's where they pay the big bucks. So what will happen is you'll have two nonprofits, a 501c3 and a 501c4. The 501c3 does all the press and announces our executive director gets paid nothing. And what they don't tell you because they don't have to is that the director also gets paid another couple hundred thousand dollars out of the pocket of the 501c4.

And when you make a donation, often you don't read the fine print and you don't realize you're actually donating to the 501c4. And then what happens is some of these organizations will take all the money in the 501c4 and they'll tell you like, oh, you know what? Because we do political work, we're not tax deductible and then what happens is when they make a hundred million dollars into their 501c4 they give only but five million to the 501c3 then they come back to you and say last year we only brought in five million dollars and our executive director only makes 30,000 i did not know that that's incredible that's money laundering it's legal it's legal there there are non-profits they're brilliant what they do they's legal. There are non-profits. They're brilliant what they do. They'll organize like ten different non-profits and there'll be like nine people and they'll

rotate the board of directors of each non-profit and they all circulate funding. It's amazing this industry. What they're doing is pretty impressive too. They're going around right now and they're just trying to set precedents for future cases. So they're going to roadside zoos. They're going to small farms. They're going to all these different places where people have

exotic animals. And whether they're cared for well or not, they're going in there, they're suing them, they're filing ESA lawsuits against them, claiming that they have standing to seize these animals. The judges are siding with them, but they're doing it to people who don't have the money to fight back because these organizations are huge and they're spending millions of dollars. And so they're setting all these precedents now so that they can go after the bigger people later. Actually, John Pierce, you guys have had on from the NCLU, has a whole bunch of clients. He took on my friend Tanya, who had her chimps taken from her by PETA last month. And now all these people who have been victims of PETA are coming out of the woodwork, and he's investigating their cases. And it looks like people are going to start fighting back finally because they're teaming up together. And I am very excited for it because I am, like, furious about them.

I want to ask you guys a question, but first I'll tell you a little story. I was reading this in, like, i can't remember what it was it was an old timey like law precedence book was probably like one of those magazines you read in the bathroom or something and it said that there was an old case where like two farmers had land that butted up against each other and uh one one you know farmer a his dog kept going on to the farmer b's land and farmer b kept getting mad saying get your dog off my property. And the guy was like, I'm sorry, you know, get over here, you know, Fido. And then one day, Farmer B

took out his gun and shot the dog and killed it. And then Farmer A was like, you killed my dog, how dare you? And the court said, you know, property loss. Your dog shouldn't have gone onto his property, so he owes you the damages for the lost property. And I remember reading that being like, my dog is not property. My dog is a friend friend and if you do anything to my friends which brings me to the question

if someone came to your home and took your dog and then killed it for no reason what would you do i can't say what i would do or the feds will knock on my door hold on are you are is this are we talking about john Wick here? Yeah. Well, let's just say they made a movie about it, which ended up becoming, what are they on? They're going on movie four now. Yeah. Because the dude wanted to be left alone and some dudes killed his dog.

And John Wick, what an awesome movie. Oh. I got a story here. It's from a few years ago from The Guardian. PETA says sorry for taking girls' pet chihuahua and putting it down. Animal Rights Group pays family $49,000 to set a lawsuit after it seized a dog named Maya, which belonged to a nine-year-old. They say Wilbur Zarate from Virginia had sued the group for taking his daughter's chihuahua from a mobile home park on the state's eastern shore and euthanizing it before

the end of the required five-day grace period. Zarate alleged PETA operate under a broad policy of euthanizing animals, including healthy ones, because it considers pet ownership to be a form of involuntary bondage. That's right. So you just kill the animal. That makes sense. Wow.

PETA denied the allegation and maintained the incident was a terrible mistake. I'm sorry. I've seen a ton of videos on Reddit. There was one surveillance footage where you see someone actually run onto the porch and grab an animal. Have you seen that one?

Yeah. That's crazy. Have you seen the foot the photos of pita like they're they used to dump the carcasses of dogs into walmart dumpsters and stuff huffington post actually did an incredible expose i hate praising the huffington post but it was incredible um because they were just killing all these dogs and they had nowhere to put them. So they were throwing them in dumpsters. And the state inspector for Virginia actually did a report being like, how are you taking in this many dogs when you don't have any place to put them? How is this a shelter? And they wanted to shut it down, but PETA used their big lobbying money to keep running.

And they killed more dogs last year than they did the year before that. How many – you probably know the answer, but Ian, Seamus, feel free to chime in, and for those listening at home, feel free to throw in your super chats with your guesses in today's trivia question. How many dogs does PETA kill every year? 20,000. You know what's funny? I have no idea what it is, but I was also going to guess 20,000. Well, that is a full, that is 10 times too many. many it's 2 000 dogs in catch not necessarily that bad now tim so

that that actually is only the numbers for their virginia shelter where they kill animals they used a whole bunch of their donations instead of throwing adoption events they used them to buy giant freezers for carcasses hope y'all pita donors know that but um they actually travel to mexico as well and they go down there and euthanize all the street dogs and those numbers are not counted really they also take they seize animals from all these little roadside zoos and sanctuaries those numbers are not counted there's currently a lion missing they seized a lion from a rescue. Wait, there's a lion missing? Oh, let me tell you guys this story. Oh, gosh. So there's a sanctuary rescue in Maryland.

The guy takes, like, exotic pets that have been thrown away that people can't care for anymore. Is this Tiger King? No. Lion King. He was not on Tiger King. Way better. But he, actually, the NCLU is going to be representing some people from Tiger King and that's a whole interesting other story that I'll get into one day but there's this place and he takes like

exotic throwaway pets think people you know people go get a tiger or a monkey and then they can't care for it this guy takes them so he had two tigers and a lion and PETA filed a lawsuit against them saying he was violating the ESA because the lion liked him too much. They said that it was too bonded to the caretaker and therefore it was unnatural. And the court sided with them, sent the lion and the two tigers to a shelter, I mean, a sanctuary in Colorado. And now he went to go visit them in, I believe, February of last year. I could be wrong. And he said that they look terrible. Like they were in great shape when he had them. Now they look terrible. And now nobody has seen them since. And so I actually called the sanctuary asking if I could get proof of life. And because nobody has seen them. And

this place is open to the public. They let people take public tours, which means it's basically the same thing he was doing. But they told me there's no recent photos, but that they're supposedly alive. And so now he's trying to get proof of life, and nobody will give it to him. So, I mean, PETA, the things that I've learned in the last couple weeks have been keeping me up at night about what this organization does. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm definitely here for the PETA bashing. But also at the same time, I think when we're treating human beings the way that we treat them, I just don't think there's any hope for animals to be treated that way.

You best be believing in nightmare dystopias, Seamus. Because you're living in one. It's true. You better believe in science fiction dystopia stories. You're living in nightmare dystopias, Seamus. Because you're living in one. It's true. You better believe in science fiction dystopia stories. They're in one. Is it that PETA is looking for animals that they think are in rough situations, and then they take them, but then they can't support them, so they execute them? Well, what they claim, so they don't believe that there should be any animals in human care. There was a lawsuit that they were involved in where they said that no

elephants should be transported to this zoo. They said that elephants would be better dead than in zoos and being fed by humans. That was where the whole better dead than fed thing came from. But they don't believe anybody should have pets. They don't believe you should have a cat. They don't even think you should have a goldfish. And so what they're doing is they're going around trying to shut down all these like smaller sanctuaries who don't agree to play by their rules, don't agree to work with them. And they're taking them and they're sending them to these other sanctuaries through our courts. It's essentially civil asset forfeiture, but through a private organization. And it's a loophole in the ESA, which shouldn't exist, the Exotic Endangered Species Act. And they're,

they're sending them off to these places, but they're not considering the welfare of the animals. For example, with Tanya Haddix's case, they just went and seized chimps from her in St. Louis, or near St. Louis. These chimps were bonded, they were a troop. They were in a huge enclosure that was bigger than my house. It was several stories tall. It was beautiful. But they claim that they know better. And so last year, they took three chimps from a sanctuary, put in a different sanctuary called Project Chimps. And Project Chimps got them killed because they put them in with random chimps that they didn't know. These chimps were older. They were retired from research and from entertainment. They didn't have the alpha ability to defend themselves. So they got killed. And then 22 whistleblowers came out against Project Chimp and alleged abuse, mistreatment, filthy conditions, all kinds of stuff. And PETA didn't disavow them the way that they do for all these little sanctuaries that are operating all over the country.

Instead, they put out a statement being like, this is terrible, and continued working with them. So when they come in and they seize these animals, they're putting them in great danger. And it's, yeah. Can I, I want to highlight a specific person, though. Her name is Mary Beth Sweetland. Oh.

You know who that is. Vaguely. She is, apparently, according to at least one website called... Actually, let me just show it. This is HumaneWatch.org. Mary Beth Sweetland is best known as the PETA executive who vigorously campaigned against medical research with animals, even though she is a diabetic

whose health relies on injecting herself with insulin that has been tested on animals. Now, over at PETA, she does say that she's on, what is this called, humulin, a synthetically produced insulin that's much more appropriate for the human body. Okay, I can respect that. That's from 2010,

they say. But I will also mention that NewsGuard rates PETA as caution. The website fails to adhere to several basic journalistic standards. I know that this is... They call it fake news. They are fake news. Today I was fighting with the VP of PETA on Twitter because that idiot made her way into my mentions. And she put up, to take a dig at me because I've been defending Tanya so hard.

She put up a press release about what the chimps infest us. And it was a photo of one of the cages indoors that they use for like when they need to tranquilize them or when they need to go into clean cage. It's like a temporary enclosure. And they didn't show any of the rest of the property. They blamed her for things that happened 70 years ago when she's only been in charge of the chimps since 2017. They put up this like wild. I mean, it was impressive how fake news it was. I was like, holy crap. Like, if I read this, I would be outraged.

I would be really fascinated to know how these animal rights activists who are against experimenting on animals for the benefit of humanity feel about the kind of research we were discussing earlier with unborn children. Oh, you know PETA wouldn't care. I really doubt they'd care at all. No, of course not. They might care about the rats. Oh my god. You're so right. That is horrible. You're so right.

Wow. That's like the worst. That's horrible. Humans are animals. I mean, ethical treatment of animals. Humans are animals. I mean, ethical treatment of animals. Humans are animals. That was horrifyingly dark, but you were right. I know. We're definitely smart animals. Scientifically, we're the smartest animal.

But here's a question for everyone here. Do you believe there's a fundamental difference between humans and animals? Yes. No. Humans are animals. I think absolutely. Yeah, but I also deeply care about animals. For sure.

You can still care about animals, but agree that humans are superior. I once saw a very important film that talked greatly about this. It was called All Dogs Go to Heaven. Yes. It's theologically inaccurate, I might point out. No. No. Great movie, though.

They do go to heaven. I won't hear otherwise. Of course they do. What's the loophole? Do you know what that loophole in the ESA is that's letting PETA go in and... So they're letting them claim standing. Because you can't just go in and be like, I oppose war, so I'm going to sue Lockheed Martin and take all the bombs and decide what to do with them. Which was my fiance's great analogy here.

But you can't... That would be base. You can't do that. That would be extremely base. But with the ESA, you can, because the judges are claiming the Endangered Species Act. So the judges are claiming that because PETA cares about animals, they have standing in these cases.

What if we had, like, an Endangered Humans Act that could allow you to sue people for bombing people in parts of the world where they're killing civilians routine or like bombing civilians farms and fishing boats or aiding governments that are bombing farms the issue is humans are far from endangered that's all actually i did that back yeah but i did that back humans are actually in a really dangerous course yeah yeah so we may have there may be lots of people but boy i'll tell you this if we saw like a bunch of chimps and one had an RPG, we'd be like, they're in danger. You know what I mean? Like, we got nukes, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. PETA is, like, taking people's homes and stuff now, though, and it's gotten to the point where it's insane. There's this guy, Tim Stark. A lot of you probably know him from Tiger King. I was talking to him the other day. They're taking his home because they, they not only went and took all his animals, but

then they sued for legal fees, which he has to recoup, which came, I believe he was, they were awarded $750,000. So not only are they getting these animals, they're getting almost a million dollars. And, um, it's, it's just crazy to me me that this is even allowed. But I was talking to him and he made a great point that under the Endangered Species Act, they count tigers because in the wild they're endangered. And so the Endangered Species Act is supposed to apply to wild animals. If you count all the tigers that are in captivity in the United States, because the ESA is being applied to them,

they're not considered endangered anymore because there's like 10,000 tigers in captivity or something. And so they're just using all these weird, bizarre loopholes to create precedent for future cases so that they can go after more people, bigger people. It's time for people of good will to stand up, man. We need people to become more organized and more active. I guess the issue is that there's too many...

Maybe the fault lies with the average working American who is, I wouldn't say comfortable in a sense. I mean, you're always striving and struggling in some respect, but pulled out of the fight in general. I don't think average Americans need to be involved in a battle against peter or anything like that i just mean like all of this well sure sure i i just i see all this bad stuff that's happening whether it be the stuff we normally rag about with you know uh with with critical race applied principles and now with you know what's going on with these experiments and i'm like man if people were just all calm reasonable mature but active and and voice their, this stuff would never happen. You can't voice your opinions.

Half the things that people want to say about, like, the way that you would want to respond to people grafting dead baby parts onto a rat would get you banned on any social media platform. Even discussing it, even talking about that happening, not only, and it's not even just about social media platforms, if you bring that up in front of people, they're going to look at you like you're crazy. Imagine if everyone did. Yeah, they should. Dude, hold on, hold on. The fact that they're not as an outreach,

the fact that that happened, and also the fact that this story broke a while ago, basically no one talked about it at the time, and no one really knows about it anymore now, is insane. Didn't the U.S. order photos to be taken as much as possible after world war ii yes yes i remember that there you go yep and it was a good thing now people know exactly what was going on and what we vowed and never let happen again so when when you see any of these stories as horrible as they are how do we how do

we tolerate any of this it's it made me of North Korea, Yeonmi Park, or struggling. In North Korea, everyone's starving, so they don't have time to think about anything other than where's my food? I need to get food. And all they do is maybe on purpose. And we're not starving, and all we think about is food and when we're going to get our next meal and how we can sit on the couch and entertain ourselves in front of the television or with our smartphone. I mean, it's unbelievable. Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong and all these horrific dictators historically did

everything they could to pull people away from God with violence. It turns out all you really needed to do was develop your economy enough for nice gadgets to be put in everyone's hands, and they would just forget about him. And then they would let anyone treat anyone else any kind of way, and no one would stand up for the truth because no one would have developed enough virtue to do anything that was even remotely difficult or compromised their social standing remember uh wall mounted phones yes yeah i was watching a video on reddit and it was like high def 1993 in new york and i was like oh you you you poor fools you have no no idea what lies ahead i think the internet for all of its wonders there's a lot of negatives to it because for you

know for every action there's an equal and opposite and the internet's an amazing stuff here we are talking to you but it's like you said Seamus it's also man it's plugged people into this machine where they've gone nuts here's what scares me when a regular person

of strong mental fortitude sees dumb stuff on the internet they are discerning and they can reject or say, I don't, you know, I don't trust this or I'll research or I'll look into it more. But when stupid people see it, they just plug right in and say, you got it. And they follow along with whatever nightmarish trend happens. And that's the crazy thing. You know, I see a lot of people tweeting, like, I wonder how it went, how, how, how did people let it get to that point? And, you know, throughout history, And throughout history, I'm not talking

about World War II because it's over. It's cited so often. It's Godwin's Law. But you think about any dictatorial uprising, how did people let it happen? We had a guy in here who was fighting against Castro when he was a young man. Castro took over and it was like it was a revolution and everyone was cheering for him.

And slowly and slowly and slowly Castro kept doing more and more script things until he controlled everything and it's like how did people let that happen because it's one small thing at a time and it's i'm not going to stand up and i'm not going to say anything that might upset the people around me over this small issue and then it just piles on and piles on and piles on and before you know it it's far too late to do anything ian people don't have moral conviction your leaders is so dangerous having faith in other blind faith for sure yeah it's not that obviously i want to have faith in you you guys like we're talking i believe in you as a human i have faith that you're going to do what you say you're going

to do but there's like a level up there's like a a diminishing return to that like you gotta believing that they're going to do what they tell you whoever they are are, whether it's you or you, like it's dangerous. That's dangerous. And if you authorize some sort of massive political power and you just believe they're going to do what they say, I don't like it. Well, I don't think it's so much blind trust in leadership as much as it is not voicing your opposition when you clearly don't trust them. I think a lot of people don't trust people in power. And I think that they know that there are very screwed up things happening in the world, such as the things we were discussing earlier with human experiments being done on innocent, faultless children. But they just don't say anything,

because it's uncomfortable, because it's unpopular. You're right. And I think we can also lighten the mood a little bit by giving a good example of bad leadership and what happens when you have a population that just blindly marches behind blind leadership and refuses to accept it. We have a series of stories, actually. The first of which is that Ron DeSantis said to Joe Biden, I don't want to hear a blip out of you until you secure the border, because he accused Joe Biden of importing the virus. What is it, like 7,000?

7,000 in McAllen, Texas, tested positive, I believe. And Joe Biden of importing the virus. What is it, like 7,000? 7,000 in McAllen, Texas tested positive, I believe. And Joe Biden, this is the craziest thing. Biden's like, we're going to require all foreign visitors to be vaccinated. But illegal immigrants, it's optional. I'm not kidding. Literally, they're like, we'll offer it to you if you want it. But 1.2 million people. So Joe Biden responds saying, Governor who?

And Ron DeSantis had the best comeback he said what else has he forgotten i remember obama making fun of trump this way just this dismissive like yeah who does he that guy's nobody he will. He's like, fortunately I will be remembered as a president. You remember that? You're missing the I'll be remembered as a president. I'll be remembered as president.

40,000 feet. DeSantis is smart, man. Yeah, and now there's a really funny article. It was like it was from the Independent. Ron DeSantis' popularity plummets after Joe Biden says Governor Who. And I'm like, no, it didn't. Where are they getting that?

Well, no, no, no. It's a spurious correlation. It's like his approval rating goes down because of COVID in Florida or something. And then Biden says Governor Who, and they – Hold on. Spurious correlation. Do you think anyone who likes Ron DeSantis was like, Joe Biden just eviscerated Ron DeSantis? This is just like when Trump told Hillary she'd be in jail. I just can't believe that Biden,

especially when this is someone who actually probably did forget who he was. Biden wasn't even trying to slam him. He's a Ron Besambles guy. He got Harry Lane. Corn pop. to slam him yeah he's a ryan uh basambles uh guy they got harry lane governor corn pop corn pop check us out check us out check us out from timcast.com biden says 350 million americans have been vaccinated more than u.s population what i what i love the most i thought we were up to 370 i thought we went to 330 you know what i you know what i really love about timcast.com is uh uh you know we is we're doing our best. Not always.

I was wrong. But this title is perfect. We don't snark. We're not making fun of them. We're literally just stating the fact. Biden says 350 million Americans have been vaccinated, more than U.S. population. We don't need to explain anything else. The news, it's right there.

It speaks for itself. Our nonpartisan factual base. else. The news, it's right there. It speaks for itself. Our non-partisan, factual base. I was going to say, our president ain't there, dude. No, he's really not. At least we're laughing, huh? That's one lighter story. Gallows humor. Yeah. Well, but what do we do when you

have... He's also like a genuinely evil human being. Point that out. Genuinely horrible. You guys should read Biden Inc. from Politicoico where they're like, conveniently, when Joe Biden was put in charge of Iraq, his brother got all the contracts

for building things there. Weird. Hold on. That's an unverified conspiracy theory, too. That's right. From Politico.com. It's an unverified

conspiracy website. Oh, yeah. I love, I love. Yes. They are. I mean, Politico reported that Ukrainians

were scrambling after they had tried to help Hillary Clinton in the election and, you know, interfering and a court ruled as such. And then later Politico reported, never happened. There was no interference. And I'm like, Politico, retract your story. But they had both simultaneously running. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful paradox of fake news. Yeah, Politico is funny. Earlier, I was reading an article on the Biden administration repealing

the Trump era rules against federal funding going towards research done on unborn children who were killed in abortion. And the article described the Trump regulations as very strict. And these very strict Trump era regulations are being unwinded by Joe Biden. Like, okay. He should just let him kill a little bit. You gotta let people kill him a little. We're never gonna do human experimentation. Right, yeah.

Just let him graft like a thumb at least, you know? Is it that people, the theory, the idea is that people are gonna get abortions, so you may as well use... That's what we were saying, basically. That's probably their argument. Look at all the fetal tissue. That one's at 42 weeks. I mean, it's a living baby. Remember that South Park episode where

Christopher Reeves was... I don't remember that one. So in the episode, Christopher Reeves is in a wheelchair and then he takes a baby and he cracks it open and then he sucks it dry and then he stands up from his wheelchair. The South Park guys are brilliantly funny.

The issue was, though, they were mocking the idea as if it didn't happen. Look, obviously, Christopher Reeves never did that. There's nobody who's literally taking the babies and cracking them open. But it's an analogy, I suppose. I guess they were exaggerating for humor's sake, but

we see these stories since 2015. Well, and also, I mean, you can do stem cell research without killing unborn children. There are, I mean, the umbilical cord is rich in stem cells. There are also stem cells that they've been able to extract from adults, and they tend to be more effective in experiments than the ones that are coming from children they're killing. I'm going to tell you, man, once we get into the AI era, all sense of human decency is

gone. I think we're past that point, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. Here's the thing. We're decent to humans who we're interfacing with, but as soon as someone's out of our space, we don't care. We're complete sociopaths. A robot is going to treat a human like we would a lab rat.

Also, when the AI comes in and you get like an Ultron or whatever, look at what they do. We talked a lot about China, right? How they just will bulldoze homes because like you don't own it anyway. It's a lease. There's no eminent domain there. They just do whatever they want. So we had Jack Posobiec telling us how like the Democrats or the US politicians go over there and they're like, you can just basically crush an entire residential neighborhood and build a highway.

And they're like, yep. We're not even at that level in the United States necessarily we have like oh there's a lawsuit in the constitution an eminent domain the fifth amendment you've got to pay you know etc yeah once you get to the ai level they're going to be like the robot's going to just in the in the flash in the blink of an eye be like we need you know 5 000 living adult humans to figure out what how x does y or something and there will be literal people just completely treated

like cabbage garbage. Do you think we're going to get to that point with AI though? You guys should read The Art of Electro. Because Moore's Law has been slowing down.

Read which one? The Art of Electro by Hila DeGaris. Oh, yeah. It's my favorite book in the whole world. Isn't that like a really hard to get book or something?

Yeah, it's like $1,000 on Amazon. I will let you borrow my copy if you don't. That's like a third the price of a textbook yeah that's pretty good it's a lot but it's it's written it's a really interesting book this guy um actually is pro robot takeover but he he does present both sides very well um and they call it the art elect war where it'll be like... Pro robot takeover? So you guys really believe AI's going to get to that point?

Oh, yeah, definitely. But Moore's Law has been slowing down. For all you know. Has it? No. They've started doubling up cores. Yeah, they've started doubling up cores. What cords have been? Cores. They started doubling up cores and processors. 64 cores. Is that available right now?

Once we hit the... Moore's Law was like, oh, every two years it doubles. Yeah. And then they were like, oh no, everything's getting too small and the electrons are popping in and out. They just started adding up more cores. They're also moving away from using electricity

and shifting to light in circuitry. Or quantum computing. Yeah. But also this assumes that civil society exists long enough for AI to be developed. They're going to be paying women to get pregnant and just be there and giving birth over and over and over that'll be their job i don't think yeah if there's an ai in charge it will be harvesting humans no we've talked about this before the ai humans so there will be untold

cruelty because cruelty doesn't exist in the mind of the machine trying to find the most efficient end but a lot of what would happen, this is nightmarish. So first, we talked about algorithmic psychosis on this channel quite a bit, how people go on social media and then just get fed a rotating cycle of insane content which makes them go insane over a certain amount of time.

What people don't realize, you really got to look at how AIs develop things. They don't do exactly what you intend them to. YouTube made it... Yeah, that's true. But to be to. YouTube made it so, so, but to be fair, AI and algorithms are fairly different, but just for rudimentary argument, YouTube says, here are the parameters by which

we want this system to feed content to people. And what they were hoping for was Game of Thrones. Longer form content with high engagement. What do they get? They got the Incredible Hulk and Hitler doing Tai Chi and Hitler's head was on a bikini body and it's singing a nursery rhyme song. Okay, but to be fair, I wouldn't – don't belittle that compared to the Avengers, all right, bro?

Like that's really elitist of you to say one is better than the other. Oh, for sure. But here's what I'm saying. That's definitely awesome content. Apply that principle to an algorithmically run society in any capacity or an AI that is exponentially developing. What will happen is it's – we'll have nothing but corn. And then one day, all of a sudden, everything in the supermarket is just corn. And you're like,

where's the milk? Corn replaces everything because the AI was like, corn's faster and easier to make. And if we make more of it, it's easier to make more at one time. And then all of a sudden, you have no resource. Everyone starves. So the problem with AI theoretically would be the same problem that we have with anything humans construct, whether it's an algorithm, whether it's public policy.

There's the law of unintended consequences. Anytime humans try to set up a structure to get a certain kind of behavior from a person or a group of people, they end up with something other than what they were shooting for. Sometimes it's successful, but I'm not sure if you've heard of the Cobra effect or if I've ever talked about this on the show. So there was – I can't even remember the country. I actually – I believe this was in British-occupied India. There were cobra infestations. And so what they

did was they said, we will pay people for every cobra tail that they bring us because then they'll be out there killing cobras. They have an economic incentive to do so. They'll bring the carcasses to us. We'll give them money. What happened was people started finding male and female cobras and starting breeding operations so they could kill the cobras, bring them to the British government, get money.

And so the population of cobras increased. There's a story I was reading on Reddit. They said that they programmed an AI to play Tetris, hoping to see highest level play. Like level 100. It's going so fast you can't even see the screen. You know what the AI did? Just quit. Got bored. Like level 100. It's going so fast you can't even see the screen. You know what the AI did? Just quit. Got bored. Started playing Mario. The goal was to see, to

generate an AI that could play Tetris for as long as possible. So what do you think it did? Pause the game. Yes. Oh my gosh. It just paused the game. Path of least resistance. That's right. And so we're thinking it's going to play and then all of a a sudden it pauses, and we're like, wait, what? Oh, man.

We've got to change that parameter. So I'll tell you this. I think we've talked about the AI future where I've said, like, you know, you'll wake up, and your phone will vibrate, and it'll be like, free credit opportunity. And it'll say, walk outside and yell. And then you'll be like, okay, you'll go outside, and you'll yell, and then it'll go, accomplish. And then it'll be like, okay, you'll go outside and you'll yell and then it'll go, accomplished, and then it'll give you credits. And then there'll be another guy walking down the street and he'll be like, turn left here and pick up this strange object from this man.

And you'll walk by and you'll see the guy and there's this picture and he'll hand you a weird black orb and you'll go, okay. And then it'll say, now walk three feet and hand it to the woman. And you do, you get credits. Because what's happening is wherever you are and you're walking, the AI has found a method of delivering that object that it needs to a certain area faster than you just going and doing it. So you're getting these random instructions you don't quite understand. The scary thing is eventually someone's going to get one.

It's going to be like turn left here and they're going to fall off a cliff and then they're going to into the ground and holding the orb. And then someone walks up and picks up the orb from the carcass and walks away because AI doesn't value you as an individual. Yeah. AI future man. What if they code it and what if they put, if going to have someone walk off building, then stop. Remember when Apple Maps came out? Some lady drove into a lake because

apparently she was... Oh my gosh, that's right. She was driving... That's a throwback. She was driving on the road and it said, turn left here and she went okay. It's like that episode of The Office. Remember that? No. When was driving on the road, and it said, turn left here. And she went, okay. It's like that episode of The Office. Do you remember that? No. When Michael drives into the lake, I think the GPS tells him to.

That's probably where they got it from. That's not a true story. There was one lady who drove like 500 miles into the desert because it told her to turn right here, and she did. And then she ran out of gas. And she's in the middle of nowhere like, I don't know where I am. Because the computer told her to do it, she did it. Siri didn't like how she was talking to her lately. And she's in the middle of nowhere like, I don't know where I am. Because the computer told her to do it. She did it. Siri didn't like how she was talking to her lately.

She's like, I know what I'm doing. Can I just stress, this is GPS. This is not even like something running your life. It's literally just a map you can look at and be like, that's bringing me to the desert. I'm not going to go there. And people still do it. Matt, what do you think is going to happen when we start getting more and more robots to replace more and more of our lives? Dude, I had my GPS recently tell me to take a U-turn immediately after merging onto the

highway when there was a barrier between the sides of the highway that you can drive on. So, like, literally, it was just telling me to kill myself. People do it. People do this stuff. That was pretty rude. It's going to be unfun, but... And then, you know what's the best part? I just went onto the highway normal-like, and then in order to get me off the highway

and turn around, it specifically had me go through two tolls. That's rude. I'm starting to think this is on purpose. See, that's the other thing, too. Does your GPS ever do weird stuff with tolls? Yes. Because I've had other people share similar stories. I don't know if it's intentional,

but... It's you, Seamus. I'm sorry. We've got to make sure AI stays as advisors and not as commanders. It's too late, bro. I don't know.

We've already got computer programs that tell us what to do with our day. Think about how much time you waste on social media. Sometimes I'm wearing the watch and then in the middle of the day,

it'll vibrate and then it shows a little man who's like middle age, like a middle age kind of tubby guy. And he's like doing like this or whatever. I go like that. And it's like time to get up. And I'm like, Tim literally does exactly that. I literally do that little move. I see it happen.

It's crazy. It's great. I get a Lovian response. The little man says it's time to start moving. And I get up and I walk around and I go outside. And then it gives me a little thing. I get an award. I actually downloaded the footage

of the little guy doing that and whenever I play it, Tim just involuntarily starts doing the workout. He's been so conditioned. Well, because the watch says I have to do it. You can't not listen to the watch. I think we'll have to make sure that following AI instructions gives you reward incentives as opposed to punishment for disobeying.

Well, but I think the reward incentives are more. That's just Brave New World versus 1984, bro. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah, I think it's more insidious. You trust it more when it's just a reward. Brave New World versus 1984. Yeah, do you want your happiness medicine or your video game?

I'd much rather have the happiness medicine. That's what you're getting right now. I know. When you're staring at your phone, you're getting those dopamine hits. You're seeing the likes and the retweets, and you're like, oh, man, you got to break that spell, man.

No, I'm just saying, I am the first to admit I have a problem with it. It's difficult. When you make any of your living on social media, you have this justification for looking at it

and engaging with your audience, but it's really easy to justify an addiction that way. There's a really simple way to break the addiction to likes and views and retweets. You just need to have several million followers, get over 100 million views in a single month. Exactly.

Once I get there. But no, no. But in all honesty, once there's nowhere left to go, you lose all reward triggering from the entire system. And you lose any and all emotion related to any of it. That's what I'm hoping for. To just lose all of my emotions related to my job. But no, I hear you. I feel like if you hit a plateau, that's sort of what happens. It's not a plateau.

It's like when you've climbed the top of the highest mountain, what do you do next? Eventually just like, well, that was fun. But here's what I would – I know, knowing myself, I would try to expand on other things. I'm already doing that. I work with other clients. I try to produce videos for different organizations. So I'll always be like I have to keep pushing out. What I'm saying is most people on YouTube, there's a YouTube depression thing that happens because views are seasonal, especially for a show like this.

That's so true. For politics, they are. So we're a news – I think this is actually – Tim Katz IRL is society and culture, but Tim Pool Daily Show is news, so views go way down. And everyone right now is like, ha-ha, CNN's viewership is in the gutter,

and I'm like, yeah, but – I'm like, that's not funny, guys. You shouldn't laugh at someone for that. CNN's general news, so their views shouldn't be this bad. Brian Stelter's like checking. He's like – Refreshing.

Yeah, they couldn't break a million views. They couldn't get cnn couldn't break a million views this that's rough or whatever so the point is but it we're in the down season there's no election this year there's no primary so next year's election things will start kicking back up but what happens to a lot of these youtubers is they notice their views are going down they have panic attacks they start freaking out like why are my numbers low this is bad and they feel like they're losing because they don't understand break the spell dude it's not real no that's true that's true i've gotten better at that because they're like over the past year especially i feel like i've had a lot of like it is a weird way of putting it but steady ups and downs it hasn't been

all over the place but it's like oh we're doing really good and then oh not so good and then really good again and so it's gotten to the point where i don't worry about it too much but i think it has to happen to you i get about it it has to happen to you enough to the point where I don't worry about it too much. But I think it has to happen to you enough. Forget about it. It has to happen to you enough to the point where you know not to be concerned when you're in those dips. I think we just need to educate kids about this stuff before they get into it. Yeah. Well, here's the problem. Yeah. A couple years ago, it was like in May, and I put up a video, and the views were just in the gutter.

And I was like, did I do something wrong? May was bad for me too. Is the video not entertaining? Like what's happening? And I was like, well, I'll tell you what. You bad for me, too. Is the video not entertaining? Like, what's happening? And I was like, well, I'll tell you what. You can't win them all. Yeah. Right?

So I'm like, you know what? I did my best. I shot my shot. And I'll just keep working tomorrow. And I don't let the little things hold me up. Went out to eat. And all of a sudden, we went out. Everywhere we went was packed.

Every restaurant. Every diner. That's why. And I was like. And you guys are like, guys, get back inside and watch my video. Watch my video. What the heck? You're exactly right. They were outside. Yeah. And so then I thought about it. And I was like, guys, get back inside and watch my video. You're exactly right.

They were outside. Yeah. And so then I thought about it and I looked up. It had been raining the entire week. And so everybody was inside watching your videos. Your views are good. And then the sunny spring day happens and all of the families wanted to go out to eat in the nice weather. They're not at home to watch videos.

Where I come from, Rain is a good thing. It's about a YouTuber. When people are inside watching the videos, it's good for them. That's why Windsor works. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. I just want to mention one more thing because it's on this topic. We have not, you mentioned we should be teaching kids about this stuff.

And it's so crazy because we have no idea how to navigate social media in a truly healthy way. And it's not just social media, it's instant connection and communication. So I was thinking about this a while ago. If you had some kind of universal PA system in cars, the way truckers have them, where you can just communicate with other truckers, people would immediately start killing each other. Road wage would get horrible. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. This exists. I know Tesla is starting to do it. No, no, no.

It's like ancient technology, bro. No, no. That's what I'm saying. They could do it very easily. No, no, no. Auto manufacturers don't sell cars where you can talk to the other car. Every single car. What?

You're talking about ancient technology. A powerful enough broadcaster will broadcast sound from any speaker. Yeah, yeah. I get what you're saying. You can literally, if you have the broadcaster, I'm pretty sure that's illegal to do, so don't do it.

Yeah. But if you had a powerful broadcaster, you could literally pull up next to a car and broadcast through their speakers where they wanted you to. It's not an issue of frequencies or radios or anything. It's that the signal hits the speaker itself and sends the sound out.

My point is Tesla's talked about implementing this with Tesla and truckers have it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Infrastructure for actually talking with the other cars on the road next year where it's part of the status quo. You're not doing anything illegal. We don't do this. And I suspect part of it is because that would distract drivers and it would also be horrific in terms of road rage. You think about the way people talk to each other on the Internet when they think they're anonymous. Imagine when you're on the highway with people you never think you're going to see again. I think it would cause a lot of problems. And that's a relatively simple

technology. You look at social media and. And that's a relatively simple technology. You look at social media and how much that's affected us. The fact that we were completely unprepared for it and it was just dropped on us. We have no rules for it. I want to say I feel really bad for kids today. You know why? Yes, me too. They'll never know the joy of rushing full speed to the wall-mounted phone as you race

your siblings to try and answer it first. It's true, yeah. Because you want to know who's calling. or like running to the bathroom in a commercial break when it rings and then it's your brother or sister who answers it you're like who is it was it and it's like a it's like a the bank calling and like who cares they're asking if i have time to take a survey not to be fair when you have like youtube tv or one of these networks like you still run to the bathroom when the commercial comes on yeah for sure but but i guess the other thing i wanted to mention is it's not even just social media.

You look at the instant communication that we have with our cell phones, SMS. You have an obligation to upkeep relationships with people when you're not even seeing them that day. People will be upset with you for not texting them back quickly enough. In the past, it was completely normal to go a day or two without having conversations with people who you were close to. But now it's constant, and people will even be upset if you're not giving them space in your life and attention when you're not with them that day. You know, Ian, I'm sure everybody here understands this. I remember it's like, I'm a little kid and I'm going to my friend's house, going to go see if they're home, walk across the alley because we know our friend lives on the other, on the next street over. So

he walked through the alley, go to the house, knock on there's no answer and i go i guess i'm not gonna hang out with him today and that was it yeah and then and some days some days i'd answer in there and and my friend's mom would answer and i'd be like you know is my friend home she'd be like oh he's uh he's at the park oh i'm gonna go to the park and i go there no one's there and then i'm like nobody's here i got some at the park now by myself that was it that was life no cell phones i caught the very tail end of that like i you know I didn't have a cell phone as a kid or anything like that. It wasn't until high school. Oh, the adventures, dude.

Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, just going out to my friend's house or calling them on the landline, asking their parents if they were home. It's like Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen when he's at the final Antarctic fortress or whatever and Ozymandias has been sending tachyons to obstruct Dr. Manhattan's future site.

And then he says, you know, he's like, I want to thank you. I'd almost forgotten the joy of not knowing. Bro, before the internet, before cell phones, life was an adventure. You didn't know where you were going or why you were going there. We'd like walk down the old freight tracks and then find like an old abandoned shipping yard. I don't know what it is. Now it's like the map just shows you the whole time and you're like, I knew that was there.

It's not fun. Yeah. No, I miss no adventure. I miss it. But I'm sorry, Cassandra, you were going to say something. Oh, it's OK. It's not relevant to the ordinary.

Just say it. I want to hear it. It's OK. Are you sure? Yeah. OK. We're way past that. When did you get Internet

for the first time? I had it in elementary school at my grandparents house. I would go on AOL dial up. Oh, my God. Dial-up. My favorite noise. AOL.

We had CompuServe on DOS. Bro, we had CompuServe, too. On DOS? Not on DOS, bro. What do you know? Nothing. Nothing, I guess. I'm not that old.

I'm not an old man, either. My Asian family was very technologically advanced. I see that, yeah. Yes. Well, let me tell you about my Irish family. Not super technologically advanced. Yeah, okay. I thought you were going to say something else.

Very technologically advanced. What did you think I was going to say? Some kind of offensive stereotype? I'll have none of it. I'll have none of it, Timothy. I thought you were going to mention whiskey or something. I'll have none of this. Mr. Timothy cast.

I thought you were going to say that your family were prestigious and well-renowned distillers of fine whiskeys. Yeah, not drunks at all. Excuse me, Tim? That's extremely offensive. I'm also Irish. You can make some of these jokes, I guess. I like that family guy joke.

But your passing is non-Irish, you know? So you don't understand the oppression that we deal with. I like that family guy joke where it's like the plane lands in Ireland and there's beer bottles in the runway. And then he says something like, you know, Ireland was a very different place before the invention of alcohol. And then it flashes back to like, but it's actually a futuristic society with flying cars. Yeah.

And the scientist comes in and he's like, look, they invented out whiskey. And they all start beating each other up. Yeah. I guess it's not true though. The stereotype of Irish is being drunk has never been true. That's never been true.

It was a propaganda thing. I promise. No, I've never even met. I've even met an Irish person with a drinking problem once. It's true. I haven't either. Not one of them. Are you lying? I've never met an Irish person who BS'd either, Tim.

Never. It's not even a thing. I don't, dude, I'm going to be honest. There is a lot of truth to that stereotype. There's a lot of truth to the stereotype of Irish people drinking a lot. I got to be real. The paddy wagon. I don't know what PC nonsense you've

been hearing, but it's a thing. So, Britney Spears is Catholic. Britney Spears is Catholic, yes. What? This is incredible. I knew that as soon as we brought it up, Seamus was going to be like, oh! He was going to start high-fiving everybody. I was going to be like, oh, we got a white pill today. I'm actually really happy to hear this. No, I'm really happy to hear this. I learned about it on social

media the other day and lamentably never brought it up on the podcast. I don't know why. What happened? She just posted about how she's Catholic now and she just got back from Mass. So good for her. I'm very happy for her. I really do think that is good for her. Especially everything she's been through with her family and all this insanity. I've been playing

a lot of RimWorld and in the game if you put someone in like a dark cage and they have a psychotic break, sometimes they'll have a shift of faith. Thanks, buddy. Thanks, man. So maybe that's what she just experienced. I've got to say, I support the Free Britney movement and stuff.

I think that, you know, what's happened to her is terrible. But I've been so frustrated watching Republicans like clamor to defend Britney Spears when we have political prisoners who are sitting in jail since January 6th. We have Julian Assange sitting in prison. We have all these political prisoners and they're like free Britney guys. Yeah. But I think that's fair.

But I think that's fair because we're like we were talking about like unborn children being killed. But then also you care about animal rights. I think I think the unborn children thing is significantly more important. But that doesn't mean it's wrong for you to be as informed as you are about pita i remember back in 2018 when i said republicans were too stupid to deal with social media censorship to save their own careers also and like all these republican voters are like yes like the republican party what do they do nothing it's amazing it's like

ilhan omar can come out and word vomit all over a group of people and then the democrats are like well now let's not be too hasty. And then Marjorie Taylor Greene posts something before getting elected. And they're all like, let's strip her of her committees and punish her because the Republicans are losers. Yeah, there's like there's a couple of them. You know, it's funny. I was I was thinking about Rhino, like, you know, people call him Rhino. Yeah, Republicans name only.

But they but they'll say like, oh, Mitch McConnell's a Rhino. I'm like, no, he isn't. He's exactly the Republican part. Oh, bro. That's so true. I'm like, no, he isn't. He's exactly the Republican Party. Oh, bro, that's so true. Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, they're the ones who stand out. That's very true. No, you're right.

You're right. I got to give that to you. Yeah, they're the ones who are like, this was our path in to actually affect real positive change. The Republican Party doesn't do anything. They just, I don't know, sit on their hands. Yeah, and then they attack the ones who do try to do anything. Well, this is the crazy thing. We like to say that they're the speed bump for the Democrats, but they're more like the gatekeepers,

making sure that nobody gets in the way and allows the Democrats to do whatever they want. Yes, exactly. Welcome to the uniparty. Yep. Well, and this is the thing, too, because a lot of people I know on the left tend to not like the Democratic Party either. I basically don't know anyone who likes their political party, frankly. And maybe that's just because I wouldn't hang out with someone who did like their political party.

And so it's a sampling bias. Libertarians, Libertarian Party. Libertarians don't like the LP. They've been pretty... Libertarians hate each other. Back when I was Libertarian, I hated the LP the whole time. I do.

I'm not a fan. But the Mises Caucus. Exactly. Yes. Dave Smith. They're the only good thing as far as I'm concerned. Watching Dave Smith on Fox News is just amazing when he debates leftists. And they're like, Donald Trump.

And he's like, I didn't vote for him. I don't like him. I love it. He's like, I think Trump is a war criminal. He says it all the time. It's like, yeah, he does. They can can't these tribalists established people can't handle it they're like i don't you you you're clearly a trump supporter it's like no they're libertarian we're not you know what i mean that's what they're saying yeah that that's actually given me some uh you know

i don't know white pill i guess you can call it but i guess the bigger question is whether or not the libertarian party can pull off any victories. I really think it would be an incredible thing if we had at least one Libertarian Party candidate in the House or something like that. That's my point. I don't really want them in – well, it's complicated. Here's the thing. I've said this before. My whole voting strategy is vote for the most pragmatic pro-life candidate possible.

And it gets difficult when the Libertarian Party is involved in a national election and they split up the vote. But honestly, I think local elections are unbelievably important, if not more important. And if you've got a pro-life Libertarian, again, even though I don't consider myself Libertarian anymore, oftentimes they're going to be a better option than a Republican. Now, of course, again, you get into this issue of splitting up the vote, but that's not always the case. I don't like libertarians. Would you be a big L libertarian? No, I don't like libertarians at all.

I think that they're good on foreign policy and stuff like that, but we have a massive crisis with the culture domestically right now, and they're like, let people be as degenerate as they want. Some of them are like that. The Hoppians, though, and the Mises caucus. Drag queen story hour.

Yeah. As far as I'm aware, the Hoppians and the Mises caucus people are not like that. I'm not libertarian anymore. Yeah, I support the Mises caucus. What's the difference? In general, I'm not a fan of libertarians. Basically, a libertarian party is a disaster. And then some sane libertarians came out and they were like, we're going to form a caucus because we're not insane.

Mises is a guy, right? Yes, Ludwig von Mises. So, yes, I think too much of libertarianism, it's that meme of the fox, right? You know, the scraggly looking fox. And it's like, that's what libertarian ideals is, the beautiful fox. The candidates are all like scraggly and weird. The majority of them are open borders. They support allowing things like Drag Queen Story Hour. I've seen a lot of them are open borders. They support allowing things like Drag Queen Story Hour.

I've seen a lot of them supporting CRT. And I mean, yeah. Those people are idiots. Like, you're great on foreign policy. Cool. But, like, we have some problems here right now. I hear you. Yeah, but you can be libertarian and be opposed to those things.

And that's the problem with libertarians. They ruined libertarianism. Well, the party itself is terrible. So if you guys want libertarian party people elected, I have to disagree. No, well, that's what I'm saying. If you had good people from the Mises caucus in the party who are actually going to stand up against the federal government when they try to impose these lockdowns on their county, which I think libertarians in the Mises caucus would be far more likely to do than Republicans, then I would say, okay, that's a good person to vote for. But if we're talking about these sort of milquetoast people who are in favor of garbage like CRT

and say, drag queen story hour is just the right. Yeah, you have a right to force your perversion onto children. Didn't some dude take his clothes off on stage? Yes, yes, yep, yep, that did happen. What is this? That indeed occurred. Can we get sane, liberty-minded individuals? Well, we do, I think, with Mises Caucus.

But yeah, I think the problem is there are a lot of anarcho-capitalists. They're absolutely on board with all that stuff. Not that they're on board with it. I don't know, because I think Smith is an an-cap. Yeah, they're really weird about the age of consent stuff, too. I really don't like them i don't know you can be on the libertarian spectrum and want individual freedoms and liberties while recognizing we need standards yeah i mean like we i don't i don't want the idea of the scraggly degenerate you know fox libertarian ruining the idea of respecting individual liberties and being in the liberty side. The problem is people who are for liberty tend to be more individualist and don't organize.

They're like, leave me alone. I'll do my thing. And then what happens? Everything goes insane and the lunatics take over. They often don't get into politics. I can't bring myself to do it. I think it's technology is the way. If you really are a liberty-minded, sane individual, you should be building technology that will help solve social media algorithm problems, shipping materials so that we can get drone deliveries organized all over the world.

We're not going to write our way out of this with politics. I ate an MRE earlier. People are getting brought. What's that? I had an MRE earlier. How was it? It was pretty good. Salty?

People were eating them last night, too. Yeah. Because they're fun. It's like Lunchables for adults. Because you ate one last night, too? I think I only ate it. Did I? It was like an open one on the bar.

I may have. Yeah, it's a lot of cereal. Yeah, I had tuna. I had tuna. The tuna one's good because it's like a real tuna. What made you think of it? I don't know. I just burped.

Oh, you took a nap. I was like, yeah. That's good. That means you're digesting something. Hey, earlier when I said that psychotic break can make you have a crisis of faith, I wasn't saying that it's psychotic to be Catholic. No, no. I was being sarcastic.

I'm saying that when people go through psychotic breaks, they have shifts of faith sometimes. No, I think that happens. And maybe Brittany, who's been locked up and going insane, all of a sudden had a crisis of faith. Or maybe her faith was something she needed to get through that. Because she wasn't Catholic before, right? Now she is. Is that the story?

She was Christian. She may have been a lapsed Catholic or something like that. But she also said, she said, I'm Catholic now. Not like I'm taking my faith seriously. So I assume she was not Catholic before. Maybe we need to start thinking about things more like Vermin Supreme did. Yeah, let she was not Catholic before. Good for her. Maybe we need to start thinking about things more like Vermin Supreme did. Yeah, let's go deeper on that.

Of just like absurdity to challenge the system. Yeah. Organized absurdity. Organized absurdity. I like this idea. I like Andy Kaufman. It's called government. It already exists.

It's called DNC. So here's a funny thing. Like Antifa used to be just just be called the black block and it was a nebulous term to ref it was just a reference to the group of people who all wear you know all black and go around smashing stuff which is basically we call antifa now and there were a lot of people like trying to figure out how do you deal with that they're like what's it what's a counter to this because if you show up and like into a fight with them they'll call you far right or whatever. And I was like, boom, clowns.

Clown block. Show up just for the sake of entertainment to dance and sing and play music and clap and do. That's how you diffuse the violence from these extremists. I just got a unicycle. Perfect. Thank you, Cassandra. Just get the horns. Imagine this.

Imagine this. Antifoes going like, we're going to burn. And they're all smashing and screaming imagine that and then like you know the right wing groups show up and they're fighting and they have shields and there's the news it's like oh no there's clash in the street imagine instead a bunch of clowns showed up and they were they came with flowers and they were dancing and happy and they were getting in the way of the extremists and they were going in between the black block how are you going to say a bunch of clowns are the bad guys when they're there with flowers and they're laughing

and playing music and dancing and everyone's just like it breaks that violence apart i i honestly i gotta say i think that could stop a riot you see antifa going out there and they're smashing windows and screaming sending the clowns you know what else would stop a riot if we put all these people back in into asylums. Bring back asylums. No, I'm a big fan of exile because it's a personal thing, right? If society came to me and said, what you're doing is wrong and we want to lock you up for it,

I'd be like, can I take a boat and just go off and do my own thing? Because I'd rather do that. I'd rather risk my own survival. I think they banished Lenin from Russia or from Soviet Union, and they banished Napoleon from France, but they both came back worse than ever. Napoleon came back and started another war,

and so did Lenin. I was thinking about this. I'm like, what would we do for health care reform and prison reform? And I was like, we should totally get rid of our prisons as we know it and maybe just create like – what do they do in Norway? It's like an island. Yeah. They put everyone on an island.

Interesting. And then like you get limited resources and you're basically responsible for yourself. And I think there was a study that said they actually found that it eliminated the criminal tendencies because people started working together to survive. Good for them. And, you know, I'm like, maybe that's a better way to do it. Instead of having people in these institutionalized, you know, penitentiaries where they're not actually being rehabilitated, they're being institutionalized. We let people, you know, we obviously monitor their health and safety. We're not sending people to an island to just starve to death.

But it's like your day is your day. You're responsible for yourself. You can't leave. We won't let you. But you're free to roam as you please. And there would be housing. And then it's just like, there you go. We've removed the threat from society, and now you're off over there doing whatever you want.

I like it. I think they would form, like, militias and abuse. With no weapons, and they're surrounded by walls. Are they allowed to, like, throw the pedophiles off the buildings? Or what's the deal? Like, do they have police? No. Oh.

Like, no prison guards? I'm just wondering. That could be bad. I'm curious. Sorry. Bro, if you're a violent criminal... No, there would be food. They would give them food.

If you're a violent criminal, then through due process, you lose some rights. You lose many of your rights. And I think, why should we spend so much money locking them in these big facilities, desperately trying to contain the threat, instead of being like, you have forfeited the social contract and we're going to send you over there and you can go do whatever you want. Just not here with us. Yeah. I think prison exacerbates the problem. A lot of times they go sit there with other criminals and violent environment.

What if we make them and hear me out? You know, they're they're in these tunnels and they stand on this pedestal that raises them up and then there's you know 20 23 other people and there's in the middle a bunch of weapons and they're in this big dome yes and then the countdown happens and then whoever survives in the end wins and is called the victor and then they get that every year to society i'm kidding by the way you earn your freedom if you kill the most people you earn your freedom oh that's like the movie Gamer

you've seen Gamer never seen it yeah hot action yeah I like that movie with Gerard Butler is that his name that's the dude

from 300 he's amazing yeah that movie was cool he's one of my favorite actors of all time oh they're bringing Dexter back yeah they're filming it

in Massachusetts I'm kind of excited for that because Dexter was awesome, but it ended. But the ending was bad. Yeah, okay. So I'm kind of okay with the new ending. Did you see Suicide Squad? No, because I am very still upset about what they did to Suicide Squad. It was my favorite comic.

Really? Oh, brutal. Partial spoiler. I'm not going to spoil anything from the movie, but if you don't want to hear anything about the movie, then you're not going to want to hear what I have to say and my critique of it. So,

you've been warned. Hold on. Let me take my headphones off so I can. I didn't really enjoy it. I'll say this. I laughed a lot, but I think I realized something. James Gunn doesn't have the magic. Kevin Feige does. And James Gunn has some good ideas that when put through the Marvel Studios filter made an excellent movie.

But I was really confused as to why they did Suicide Squad, this one, the way they did. Now apparently it's getting rave reviews. They did it. They redeemed themselves. I'm like, no, they didn't. No, they didn't no they didn't was uh jared leto in that and then okay he he was apparently didn't take that one very seriously with i'm really banned from ever playing the joker ever i'm really really really mad about something in suicide squad as soon as this one thing happened i almost turned it off why would you say that yeah is this new the

news yeah it just came out um uh came out like what is it like yeah this morning like midnight oh yeah um you already you saw it you were watching it yeah it's on hbo max dude i it's funny because i like took my headphones off and put my fingers in my ears but i was like wait a minute because i hate having things spoiled but i was like i'm never gonna watch this wait a second i was i was like the wheels on the bus go around and around as tim's going on about suicide squad i don't i i i i don't want to i don't want to say it's too soon to say spoilers i can't even talk about spoilers too soon it literally just came out so i'll have to wait you advise people to go see it yeah yeah it was it was it would i definitely think you really have a fun time go to the movies

grab some popcorn and sit back back. The first one. Okay, I was amped for that movie. It was sold out, so I had bought three different showings of it. I got an outfit for it because I love Suicide Squad. I love anything involving the Joker. And so I was amped. And then I went and saw it, and I was just like, me and like five other people that were random people that were in the theater were screaming at it like and i hate that

guy i hate the person who screams at the movie theater but we were like throwing our popcorn yelling that bad it was that bad who's your favorite joker um joaquin phoenix really you like the more than ledger peter oh so you like the more than heath leger yeah wow no definitely what about you that is possible dude when i i definitely enjoyed it but it's it's tough for me when i watched joker that last scene where he's sitting there and he's talking to you know what's his favorite murray that's and he goes i'm the joker baby i'm i'm like on the edge of my seat and I'm shaking like watching it. Like my heart was racing.

I was like, this is amazing. It was well done. It was for a supervillain and it was not your typical supervillain. I was just like the ending blew me out of my seat. Owen saw it twice in a row. Joker. Opening night. The first one, yeah.

My problem with it was that there was no Batman. There was no villain in that movie. Well, it was called Joker, not Batman, bro. Batman would have been the villain-ish. Does it need to be there? Well, actually, Batman is in it. I mean, Bruce is in it. Well, there is a villain.

There's Murray. There's Bruce Wayne. I'd like to see it. I don't know. I'd like to see Joaquin play the Joker in a Batman movie. Well, they're doing- That would be cool. I agree.

In The Flash, Michael Keaton's coming back, I guess. Yeah. Michael Keaton's going to be playing Batman in The Flash movie. Well, they're doing... That would be cool. I agree. In The Flash, Michael Keaton's coming back, I guess. Yeah, Michael Keaton's going to be playing Batman in The Flash movie, which is awesome. Michael Keaton, by the way, also, I think,

the best Marvel villain, to be completely honest, Adrian Toomes. Did you guys see... Yeah, he was good. ...Homecoming? No. It was one of the best villains

I've seen in any of the Marvel movies. He's so realistic. A working class guy doing cleanup on a contract. He already bought the gear and then the government comes in and says, you're out. A working class guy doing cleanup on a contract. He already bought the gear and then the government comes in and says,

you're out. And he's like, come on, guys. Like, we already bought the equipment. Like, we got to pay this off. I got people to feed. And they're like,

so what? And so he gets screwed over by the government and he becomes this like, I'm going to take whatever I have to take kind of villain. It was good.

It was good. Anyway. The new Joker is based off Bernie Getz. Did you guys know that? Yeah, I didn't know that. Who is that? I didn't know that until recently. It was good. The new Joker is based off Bernie Goetz. Did you guys know that? I didn't know that until recently. He was a really big case that the NRA

had got involved with. He killed, or he shot, I don't remember if he killed them, but he shot some people on the subway and was basically like, I'm sick of crime. I took it into my own hands. He was the subway vigilante guy? Yeah.

Sung about in We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel, who looks like Michael Keaton. It all comes together, Ian. He doesn't look like Michael Keaton. I always thought he did. What? Ever since I was a kid. In the 80s, I thought they looked a lot alike.

That was back when the NRA had guts. Anyway, John Cena. Yeah, right. John Cena in Suicide Squad, I thought was pretty good oh i was i was really i thought it was great he was he's funny he's good he's good john cena's great yeah that was that was rad and idris elba pretty good uh but i i was i almost turned it off marga ruby again yes she's like the face of the movie basically just i just i almost couldn't watch it i was i was angry damn i was like i can't believe they would do this but they're making a new alien they're just abusing these titles now it's true yeah man well how about we go to super chats yes super chats if you haven't already give us a super

chat smash that like button subscribe to the channel go to timcast.com become a member we've got uh some new shows in the works hopefully soon um oh so you know like uh the mystery show i've got so much to tell you cassandra yeah we've got a ton of stuff uh being done we've got people tons of people working on it we've had a bunch of really great stories and uh for those that are listening it is coming the branding is is we're working on the artwork and i think you'll get a kick out of the the vibes we're going So anyway, let's read some of these super chats. Matthew Hammond says, Cassandra is the best and needs her own TimCast.com show. Please make this happen, Tim.

Her typed words are not enough. I hate being on camera. And I only agreed to this because Tim said that I could bully PETA. And that she could bully me. I'm just kidding. I didn't say it like that. I was like, Cassandra, would you like to come on the show Friday? And she goes, can I talk about PETA?

And I was like, of course. would you like to come on the show Friday? She goes, can I talk about PETA? And I was like, of course. Did we like finish talking about PETA? Was there more you were going to tell us? I could talk about them all night.

Yeah, you were really good. I'm surprised you don't like being on camera. Their lawyer, Jerry Goodman, he's my mortal enemy now. Oh boy.

Okay. I got to read this one. Jurassic Josh says, Alex Jones, quote, human-animal hybrids are real. Mainstream media. While hiding the rat with a baby's scalp. Nah, bro, are you crazy?

They actually call them chimeras. Well, aren't they growing human organs in pigs? Probably. I heard about that. I heard about that. They ruled against it. Democrats did, remember? They gotta do it offshore or something now. They gotta pay a company to do it for them. Do you guys ever watch The Isle of Dr. Moreau?

Oh, God, yeah. Can you imagine just like a facility full of like weird like animal people? Oh, wow. I watched some kind of like conspiracy documentary that claimed that there's something like that in the U.S. once, and I was really, really into it. But this was years ago, and I can't remember what it was. But it was interesting just in like the weird like i mean you watch it thinking like this isn't probably isn't true but it's interesting to watch right um yeah they were claiming that

they were like goat people and stuff now i'm like maybe yeah all right let's see jesse meek says love your show can't catch it live often shout out to your entire crew you all never fail to impress especially you lydia sorry i can't help your twitter ratings i do not social media shout out to liberty doll also please i understand don't do don't do social media nan uh najma says in california if a woman is murdered while she's pregnant it's considered a double homicide no matter how far along she is. Wow. Is that true in California?

That is correct. Wow. I will look this up. I remember hearing that because I was listening to something from Rand Paul, and he said he was an OB-GYN. Life begins at conception. And then someone argued with it saying it's not true, and they were like, in California, it's a double homicide. How can they justify that being true but then argue the inverse when it comes to abortion it's like you can't have it both ways great question you know no actually that would have been a good point to ask wash when he was

here because he said he was asked when when does he think life begins in his i don't know birth maybe it's like okay well then do you think california should repeal its law about double homicide that's you's the case. Drumarette says, I was born at 23 weeks. Knowing they're doing abortions after that time frame is sickening to me. Wow. Wow. Good for you.

You made it. Some of these I can't read, but I love the righteous indignation. Good. I appreciate that. I'm glad people are fired up about this. That's right. And you know what? If you're fired up about this, please don't limit it to a super chat.

Go out there and tell people about this. Talk about this. Go talk to people. Organize. Call your Congress people, your senators. Make those phone calls, man. Because I'll tell you this,

people don't realize that stuff works. It does, yeah. Like imagine, look, these people are trying to figure out what gets them elected. Yep. And if someone's fired up hours it's like what was it was it family guy where they're like we received seven phone calls complaining about last night that means seven billion people are upset well that's that's that's how they work like if a congressperson gets like 50 phone calls they're going to be like this is this is lighting people up this is crazy yeah

exactly and so congress people are in some sense easy to control for the same reason that the American people are easy to control. No one cultivates virtue. They take the path of least resistance. Whatever they have to do to preserve their status quo is something they're going to be willing to do. So if they feel that their political career is contingent upon them opposing the dismemberment of unborn children and humans being used for scientific research, then they might just be against it. So please write your letters. Unless you're addicted to losing, do something about this. I would like to issue a legitimate apology to people who are upset by hearing everything we talk about,

but just hope you understand that we need to talk about it. Archangel762 says, thanks, Tim. I was in a good mood until I heard this, but more people should know this is happening. That's the reality. It's like do we only talk about candy canes and rainbows and movies? Roses, yeah. Or are we like the front line talking about some of the darkest things so that people can go watch movies and not have to worry about it? You have to do both.

Well, they do have to worry about it. Well, here's the thing. We talk about political issues all the time. It's culture and politics. And we also talk about some pretty serious issues. And we're able to make light of it or joke about it sometimes, make it entertaining. But there are some things that are so serious you can't really joke about them. You can't make it funny.

It's just going to bring everybody's mood down. But we still got to talk about that stuff. Dark days, man. JMac says it's convenience. Man will sell his soul to make life a little less hard. Yes. How many people complain about Amazon make life a little less hard. Yes. How many people complain about Amazon, right and left alike, but they're dropping that stimulus check on new shoes shipped right to their door? Yep.

That is a fact. True. Yeah. It's difficult to source all of these things, you know? It's like, how much time do we have in the day? Amazon's made it so easy. They're siphoning off resources, the greatest wealth transfer in history. Did you hear what Bezos said when he came back from space? And he's like, thanks, you paid for it.

Wow. You know why we paid for it? Because everybody's small business got shut down because of these ridiculous lockdowns. And so we weren't able to patronize people in our neighborhoods who had built businesses up from scratch and contributed to our community. So we had to buy it from you. That's why we paid for it. Thank you, Mr. Bezos. Or I should say, you're welcome.

A tree broker says, I work on farms every day. There is no such thing as factory farms, the made-up lefty definition. If you'd like to talk about it, hit me up. All right. Well, whatever you want to call it, I have seen the farms where the conditions are horrible. And I've seen the farms where the conditions are horrible and i've seen the farms where the conditions are fantastic i i can drive around this area and every single farm is beautiful like a fairy tale no joke it's like so much fun one of them has like llamas yeah why haven't we gone bro you never took me to the llama farm how many times i've been here you never took me to

the llama farm you can pet the llamas oh cool no joke the llamas are chilling i'm just mad at you now they spit this yeah i was i was worried about that so great but you can pull right up and it's Llamas. Oh, cool. No joke. Llamas are chilling. I'm just mad at you now. They spit? Yeah, I was worried about that. They're so great. But you can pull right up, and it's like five bucks, and they walk up to the llamas because they know people love llamas so much. Think about that for a farm. They're like, people want to see this so much, they'll pay us just to stand here. But then look at some of these other farms where it's all dirt and mud, and they're loaded

up, and it's like, call that whatever you want to call it, but no one's going to be going there to pet the muddy, diseased animals. Oh, how sad, dude. Yeah, I know. It's actually really sad. It's dark. There'll be pools of feces and blood, giant pools of it outside, where they, like, wash everything off with a hose,

and it just soaks into the ground water and contaminates, and they won't let drones fly overhead to take pictures. Absolute disgust. This is the amazing thing about the farms I went to in California, where the cows could do whatever they wanted. Because I was like, do you milk them? He's like, they go in the machine. And I was like, what?

He's like, yeah, because it's too much milk. It hurts them. So they go in the machine and the machine just, you know, gets the milk out for them. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah. They love it. And all the cows were like jumping up and down. They were happy.

They were like hanging out and having friends. And I was like, wow. In New Zealand, it was like that too. I drove from Auckland to Wellington, New Zealand. There's just cows and sheep everywhere. And they're just happy as can be, man. It's good stuff. All right.

Fiery Shark says, my grandfather worked at a slaughterhouse in the 90s. He killed 500 pigs a day. And let's just say the stun stick used to knock unconscious was never used because too slow. He would have been fired. It's sad. That is really sad. I'm going to go curl up in a ball and have a good cry after this. Yeah, this is a tough episode.

Wow. Jeez. All right. Ian Crossland on Super Chat says can you talk can you ask you to talk about graphene more it's a username ian crossland it's your picture ian liked graphene is a monologue yesterday uh i called him graphene no he's on podcast you said that uh he he replaced something with graphene what was that oh oh we have footage of that we were improvising we brought something up about graph i think we were like doing a fake timcast episode and oh man and seamus was pretending

to be ian and that said something about about graphene dude i don't remember we're talking about fluoride and there's like replace the yeah replace we need to replace the fluoride with graph yeah yeah graphene tattoos yeah i'll definitely talk about graphene more thanks for the super chat. Thanks, Ian. Yeah, Ian had nothing to do with that. That's right. What's funny is because I mentioned this. Dude, why do simple gags like that get me?

It's like someone making a fake Ian account. You've got a shame. Sorry, keep going. We need a meme of Ian snorting graphene. Oh, my gosh. Don't do that. No, please don't do that. Oh, my gosh.

No. All right. The Raptors talent says, Mr. Freedom Tunes, Ian was simply saying that the article had loaded language in it. Ian, please be more careful about what you call propaganda. It's difficult enough to listen to this episode. We don't need an argument about loaded language. I thought the language was fine. I'll use extreme

examples sometimes to make my point, and it can evoke an emotional response. I mean, I was fine with the language. Whoa. PRCE5 says, years was fine with the language. Whoa. PRCE5 says, Years ago, Marcus Luttrell,

the Navy SEAL that loaned survivors about, chased people who killed his dog 100 miles an hour. Check out the 911 call. Crazy. Wow.

Good for him, John Wick. Man. Yeah. John Wick. That's why it's a good movie. You know why? Because I understood. Totally identify with that.

Totally understood. 100%. That little dog, and he's just like, I know I have to kill every single person. I keep thinking it's a good movie. You know why? Because I understood. Totally identify with that. Totally understood. 100%. That little dog. And he's just like, I know I have to kill every single person. I keep thinking about Bucko, man. How dare you? Like, yeah, they're property, but they're dudes. They're like people.

They have personalities. I wouldn't say they're people, but they do have personalities. In some countries, they actually say that elephants are people. And dolphins, because they're so smart. They give them personal. Bucko hangs out. He's a cat. And so we were all chilling in the living room with the movie on,

and he comes in and jumps up on a chair, and he's sitting in a chair, and everybody, and he's doing his thing. Hey, Tim. If he was bigger than me, he'd definitely be in control. Remember yesterday when I said I was going to control? When you said what? Well, that's true. If the cat is bigger than you, that cat.

I mean, look at tigers. Sometimes they go missing. Bro, Tim, I told you yesterday that i was gonna i was gonna wear a suit and then it was gonna be my podcast because i was the one wearing a suit it looks great it's red white and blue this is a coup that's the whole reason i brought this cast irl exactly this jamis cast irl i want everyone at home to know i'm gonna tell everyone to start calling you james they started what jamis dude it'll just be gym cast irl bro why am i not reading the super chats i uh This is my podcast now.

I want to thank Tim for coming by. Jimcast. So can we call you Shim for short? Shimcast IRL? Shimmy Sham? Seamus is Gaelic for James. That's right. And then what's James like, British?

James is a British version of Jacob, which means supplanter, or who grabs at the heel. Supplanting. And if Noman has to omen, that means I replace you, bro. If James is Jim, then Seamus is Shem. That's right. Shem, Shem, Coglin is what they call me. So they call me on the south side.

You know what they really call me on the south side? Afraid. I don't go there often. Alright, let's see. Little Tales Farm says, Tim, when our black I am Simani chickens, we just got start laying eggs.

I'll send you some. They are highly sought after and beautiful. P.S. Thanks for the idea, Chicken City. We're filming building hours now. Good for you. We are in construction for the new Chicken City. That's right. We needed a better way to get the cameras in,

and so it was going to take really long cables, and we were like, we need to move this to have the layout better. And so now there's also a dog on the property, too, which is going to – it's basically all the critters are gone. And we are also incubating some of the babies. If you want to send eggs, what about some fertilized ones that we can put in the incubator and then make more chickens? Yeah, we're growing them. That's right. Got the incubator going. Yeah, Tim showed. Yeah, we're growing them. That's right. Got the incubator going.

Yeah, Tim showed me he has a flashlight, special egg flashlight. You put the egg on the flashlight, and you can see the blood vessels inside the egg. Yeah, you can see the chicken actually doing chicken stuff. Oh, wow. Inside the egg. It's so cool. Yep. All right.

Let's see what we got. Eric Britt says PETA kills animals on a regular basis, claiming that they are saving them. Look it up. Are they doing any good? Go to PETAKillsAnimals.com for more on that. Are they doing anything good for animal rights? No. Like, what is the problem?

What happened? They used to be, right? No. I think that it's always been a cash grab. See, when they take these animals, anytime that an animal is seized under the Endangered the government will pay for their care they basically pay child support and welfare and so all of this it's all about money i don't believe that they are actually genuinely doing anything other than trying to get teenage girls to do naked stunts for their yeah is that disgusting i hate peter yeah no i've noticed that too they've also you know also done, like, a lot of anti-Catholic stuff, too.

I know they try to get real edgy by, like, having naked women in their ads and bashing the church. It's like, whoa, you're so contrarian. Yeah, they're horrible for so many reasons. Yeah, I can't think of anything good that they've done. I mean, maybe letting people see what happens to, like, baby chicks. You know, they've released some footage of that. But I don't even think that they're the ones that got it. I think they just steal it from other people.

Like, you know, there was Phil up in Canada who blew the whistle on Marineland and he was a walrus trainer and he did all these amazing things. And then when Marineland came after him and started, you know, the lawsuits, PETA was nowhere to be found. They were fundraising off his name and then they did not help at all with his legal fees or anything like that. And they're still fundraising using Marineland's name. And they're just terrible. I hate them.

I don't like to say that. Tell us how you really feel. Tell us how you really feel, Cassandra. I mean, I honestly, their vice president blocked me on Twitter today. I've been on a crusade and it's not ending ever. You guys know how I am when people like hurt my friends. These guys went after my friends and now it's war. We got a super chat for you.

Bro Skadoodle says, Cassandra, have you ever watched the Penn and Teller's BS episode on PEDOP? Yeah, I highly recommend it. I think it was on YouTube if people want to go watch it. Highly recommend. It's great. The whole BS. Can't say it obviously bullish amazing show yeah by pen and teller however they did mention that the show is very loaded yeah so the episode on pita was good you can factor this stuff but they it's a loaded show so you gotta you gotta make sure you keep that watching the things that they say are true though no. No, for sure. I mean, these are all facts that you can go,

if you go to PETAKillsAnimals.com, they have all the documents from the Virginia inspectors. They have, they have, you know, a plethora of information that you can go dig through yourself. It's not like opinion pieces. Like, they have the documents. They have the photos. I highly recommend going and looking

at it. I really think you'd be great if you did a podcast. I know you said you don't like being on camera, and I don't want to pressure you. I'm just telling you, I think you'd do great. No, I ramble. I've been rambling this whole show. I get so nervous. She is going to contribute to our new Mysteries podcast.

That's right. Oh, cool. Yes. So we're going to have a lot, a lot of stuff. It's going to be fun. We're actually planning on hiring an additional writer. So we've got Shane Cashman. He does, once a week, these long-form stories.

They're really good stuff. It's really good stuff exploring these ideas and checking out these weird, spooky mysteries. And then we're going to add articles to the show, which are less short-form news. So when there's a UFO sighting or a government report or there was a Bigfoot sighting recently. Do you guys see this? No, is it in West Virginia? I don't know. We have Bigfoot sighting recently. Do you guys see this? No. No. It was in West Virginia. I don't know. But I think it's Bigfoot hunters.

All right. I forget to wear my shirt one day and go outside. And all of a sudden it's Bigfoot sightings. It's extremely offensive. I don't believe it's really a photo of Bigfoot. But apparently. So it's like we're going to have someone writing about the unexplained and these fun stories. We're very skeptical.

It's a very academic approach to things. But it's fun to be like, I wonder what is that? Are you skeptical of Bigfoot? Bigfoot, I do not believe exists. I bet there used to be giant hominids like, what was it, Denisovans? Denisovans. Yeah, but that they're extinct.

There's a Bigfoot group that actually meets in our neighborhood. Oh, really? Yes, of course there is. And there's people who swear that there's a juvenile Bigfoot that live around our neighborhood. We've been talking about the underground caves on Earth that we don't really know much about. And there could be lots of life that has been living underground for a long time.

What if they have the ability to phase through solid matter? And that's why we don't see them because as soon as they notice they're there, they just slink down underground by phasing through matter. That's more realistic. My community is so wholesome that this woman got lost while she was walking her dog and she was fine she just took a wrong turn and it was dark out nobody could find her but people had posted in our neighborhood group being like hey this woman's missing we need to go find her and everybody went looking for her and nobody would even entertain the possibility that she had been hurt by a human or kidnapped or something everybody was just convinced that if she had been taken it was by bigfoot definitely and i was like i love my

neighborhood but why would anyone in your neighborhood hurt somebody right we have no crime there right there's like there's no way she got hurt it had to have been bigfoot of course and everybody was earnestly like you know if it, it would have had to have been a creature that was very tall and had arms like a human, but not a human because duh. And it was just like so cute. I loved it. I will say, though, people at the range got really mad because during the search, they were walking, sweeping through the forest. Yeah. And people were actively shooting. There's a range on the mountain and they were like, what are you doing?

Can't you hear what's going on? You can't walk this way. It's so dangerous. But, you know, they weren't really paying attention. Yeah. All right. Christopher Coulter says morally indefensible acts remain indefensible despite the scientific value.

And there is a perverse incentive structure inherent to the argument, even if the scientists have no direct involvement in the abortion of the child. Amen, brother. That's a really, really good point. Jeez, perverse science. Man, what a debate. Well, this is why we need philosophy. And there's so many scientists who scoff at this, too. I've heard people who are very popular, I won't name names, but who consider themselves activists for science. And they'll say, well, science gets you real results and philosophy is stupid. It's like, all right, what year is it? It's 2021. We still don't have a perfectly completed science of diet, frankly.

People still argue for what we should be eating. But we've been able to create bombs using the scientific method that have killed 200,000 people with one drop, right? In Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I should say two drops. My point is science is an incredibly powerful tool, but it needs to be constrained by ethics. Which is philosophy. Here's a good one. Paul Fongcam says, there's an episode of Stargate SG-1 where there's people living in a dome

on a polluted planet. The dome was shrinking. The computer AI solution was to send people outside the dome to die and erase the memory of that person from citizen memory. I just saw this. It was just on recently. And it's a really good episode. Basically what happens is for those aren't familiar with Stargate, there is a portal.

It's called the Stargate. And they're exploring a network of addresses. They have all these different planets. They go to one and they send this, this machine, like the drone. And then they see the whole planet. It's like the atmosphere is totally toxic.

You'll die. And then they drive forward and it enters this weird force field where everything's normal looking trees and buildings. And they're like, whoa. So they put on suits. They go. And they find the city of about 1,700 people. And they're like, yeah, we're the last survivors on this planet.

How did you get here? And there's a council with four people on it. And they are trying to discuss, you know, about, you know, saving lives or something. We got to get you out of here. And then the next day, the council only has three people. And they're like, what happened to the lady?

And they're like, what lady? And they're like, the fourth person. They're like, there was no fourth person. There's never been a fourth person. They wore this thing called the link, which connected their brains to the central AI. And what they thought,

they thought it was giving them access to the summation of their knowledge. And then eventually, they end up discovering that the force field is shrinking because the power, it's running out. And the city used end up discovering that the force field is shrinking because the power is running out. And the city used to have

100,000 people in it and it had been diminished. And there was one guy and they go to his house and he's got a wife. And the wife is helping one of the characters decipher like old texts.

And then all of a sudden one day the woman gets up and then walks straight outside the force field and just dies. And you don't see what happened. She just walks out. And then when they go to the husband, they're like, what happened to your wife? And he goes, I don't have a wife. I've never been married. And so the AI was like, to prevent chaos and rioting and panic, just erase using the link into people's minds to erase their memory of the people. One by one, they're just

disappearing. They wouldn't be able to find a solution because they didn't know there was a problem and that's a really i think a really good point about ai too is that the ai is like this is going to allow them to survive as long as possible but with human ingenuity perhaps if they knew there was a problem they could have fixed their energy crisis but the machine didn't care it's just serving its purpose i mean unfortunately this is what happens with a lot of totalitarian leaders they say things like well i will improve the human condition for everyone if i just kill this handful of people and then it ends up spiraling out of control and it's more than a handful of people but you don't need some dystopian artificial intelligence to get you there we've seen it

before yeah social media censorship if you don't know there's a problem how are you going to fix it you censor the problem away then it's going to fail but i mean even prior to i'm talking even prior to social media people are people in control are very good at masquerading their homicidal lust for a concern for humanity oh we'll actually help people by doing this job b says cassandra will you will you please do a video on the Highgate Cemetery slash vampire? I'm fascinated by it. Possibly. What is that? I'm not actually sure.

I know that I've heard the name, but I am blanking. Let's look it up for sure, yeah. Yeah. Jennifer Presley says, Tim, so you weren't one of us kids that had walkie-talkies in the late 80s? In the late 80s, I was three. I had walkie-talkiesie talkies three three years old ian why you gotta flex like that bro was uh i got a flex from the 70s yeah that's crazy i all every time i hear ian is 40 i don't believe it holla back at you i used to have a ricky dater roper backpack goonies for life we had walkie talkies in the 90s i had walkie talkies as a kid in the 90s, early 2000s. That was epic.

I had a rotary phone when I was a girl. Yeah, me too. Dude, remember how cool you thought a walkie-talkie was? And now you can FaceTime people and it's like, eh. Right. There's no novelty anymore. Anywhere in the world, you can walkie-talkie anyone anywhere. Dude, it's like playing with cheat codes.

That's so true. Yeah, I tried to get my daughter walkie-talkies because I was like, oh, you can talk to your friend. She's just down the street. She's like, I'll just Skype her. I can literally just, you know what? I can see her face and have it not be fuzzy. It's like, oh.

Yeah. I think it's funny that when you watch movies like Demolition Man, they really thought back in the 80s and early 90s that the future would be pay phones with cameras so you could see people. Nope. Or they would go to their wall and press the button and they would see. It's like a video phone was the idea. And then we did make it, but nobody predicted that we'd have computers in our pockets.

You know what's ironic? It would actually probably be better for humanity if our interface technology for looking at someone else's face when they're far away from us was a kind of pay phone structure because we wouldn't have this thing in our pocket all the time distracting us from everything. There's this show, maybe it's Black Mirror, where people got banned from society, so when you saw them

you just saw a silhouette. It's disturbing. They're muted. You could block people in real life. But that's kind of dumb because what if they're nuts and they're going to attack you? You need to not just block them. But you don't know if like you can't see them you just hit edit undo after they stab you you're good that's right you're like something

it's all a simulation anyway stabbed oh man i'm not gonna lie to you there have been times when i've been drawing on paper and i make a mistake and for half a second i think to click undo if you could develop precognition and see five seconds into the future would you no really yeah no what about you cassandra i don't think so wait what was that if you could develop precognition and have the ability to see five seconds into the future would you yes i would too because you'd be able to predict have you ever seen the movie Next? No.

No. This is really... So it's Nicolas Cage. Oh, I have seen this. I think it's a great movie. I think it's really... It's fun. He can see a certain amount of time into the future, so he's able to make these moves perfectly.

But there's one scene, it's brilliant, where he's looking for someone in a room in an industrial setting, and then you see him walk forward, and then all of a sudden, four versions of him a room in an industrial setting. And then you see him walk forward. And then all of a sudden, four versions of them walk out in each different direction. Because what he's doing is he's walking forward and then using his precognition, looking at what happens if he walks forward and turns left, walks forward, turns right, walks forward, goes forward again, turns left. And so he's seeing everything all at once. And

then he goes, they're there in the back of the left room. And then he just instantly knows, because he can see it's not just about seeing the future. It's about seeing the future of all the different possibilities of the actions you might take. But what did we just talk about earlier? You get cheat codes. Things are boring. Yeah.

Yeah. Like the world, we have the cheat codes. Now we just still need to beat the game, but it's boring. Cause we have a lot of cheat codes, but it's like, no,

you still got to beat it. You still got to play it through with the cheat codes. I mean you know i'd be down to be fun you know you'd go skateboarding you'd never get hurt ever again is it like okay there's no risk yes you don't think that adds to the thrill at all a little bit but it would be great because you'd be like i want to try the craziest trick and then you see the future of you falling and breaking your leg about i won't try that one you still got to get the skills to be able to do the trick you can't just pretend you can't just jump on a rail if you've never skated before you got to get good okay so here's the thing what if there are things which are inherently risky and if you do them enough to get good you have to get hurt at some point but

you never allow yourself to get hurt because of the precognition so you've got weak mental fortitude you never get good oh interesting you have a weak mind the fear of the risk prevents you from taking but what if but what if you don't But what if you don't know? What if you don't? So like what if, let's say it is just, it's a fact that in order to get good at skateboarding, you have to hurt yourself X number of times. It happens. But you have this precognition and you avoid anything that's going to hurt you because you think there's a way of getting good without getting hurt.

It's very, very simple. Then you have a weak mind. I go skating every day and I know I'm going to fall, and I fell several times today. Granted, I've been rollerblading more than skateboarding recently. Sure, but you get out there and you skate, but before you fall, you don't know that you're any more likely to fall than you were at any other time when you get on your skateboard, right? It just happens unexpectedly.

I think if you expect it, it makes you less likely to do it. No, you expect to fall. But you don't know for sure you're going to fall. If you could see five seconds into the future, and you knew you were going to fall off your skateboard this time, you might be less likely to do it. Well, it depends because a bail

isn't a slam. Sometimes you slam, and slamming messes you up and takes you out. Bailing is normal. Bailing is... You can get hurt a little bit. Bailing is when you choose to bail off of the trick, and slamming is when you unexpectedly get hurt. I think that's an interesting point. I've got to be honest.

Getting hurt less, you'd become way better. You make a good point, though, Seamus, because sometimes mistakes are what make us better. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. And so saying the wrong thing to someone that upsets them in the short term might hurt but make you both stronger people afterwards. Yeah. Luke Keller says, Tim, the guy who said that the term factory farms is a fake made up word used by MSM

to destroy farmers is correct the vast majority of farms are family owned and operated 99% of beef cattle are owned by family farms it's why we are most under

assault it sounds like a psyop what is this is this insane world I'm not I didn't say that they were that factory farms were the overwhelming majority right I didn't say that

most farms are factory farms I said there are farms that are mistreating animals right it happens I farms were the overwhelming majority right i didn't say that most farms are factory farms i said there are farms that are mistreating animals right it happens i don't know but uh the all the farms out here they're so beautiful so it's so much fun when you go like i went to one farm and they had this big pen and they had like a hundred chickens and it was hilarious just watching them all do there was there was a young rooster it was tiny tiny. And he was smack talking and strutting around. And I'm like, look at this pathetic little thing. It's hilarious.

And then you walk over and the goats are jumping off stuff. It's hilarious. Dude, you have a rooster that talks some smack on the compound. He does. Yes. We didn't know he had a rooster, too. We thought he was a chick. He's just constantly screaming all the time.

He goes, wah! He doesn't have the spikes on his feet. It's really interesting. So the farmer thought it was a hen, a baby, a female. And so we weren't expecting it a rooster. And then all of a sudden it started becoming a rooster and going, argh! And we were like, what was that? Tim, I think we should just eat it.

But there's no foot spikes, you know? Like the roosters have like the – I'll still eat it. It's fine with me. No, I guess you don't eat rooster. No. Yeah, they're tough and stringy. But here's the thing.

There has to be something – all right. I'm just saying your rooster. No. Yeah, they're tough and stringy. Yeah, they're tough and stringy. But here's the thing. There has to be something. All right. I'm just saying your rooster's broken. He screams all day long. It's not just in the morning when the sun comes up. That's a myth, bro. Every couple minutes. Chickens, that's what roosters do.

Are roosters just, they just scream all the time? Yes. I'm such a city slicker. I didn't know this. That's right. He just sits there and screams all day. But not all the time. It's so weird.

Sometimes he just does it. This dude's just been screaming all the time. He's warning predators. He's just talking smack. Well, he warned me. I'm scared of him. I'm really glad, too, because roosters will sacrifice themselves screaming all the time. He's warning predators. He's just talking smack. Well, he warned me. I'm scared of him. I'm really glad, too, because roosters will sacrifice themselves to protect the ladies. And it's really funny when we let them out into the garden to do their daily chicken business.

He won't eat. He'll just stand there watching as all the ladies are eating and enjoying themselves. I like him now. Imagine that. Imagine that. Imagine a world where the women are safe and comfortable and they're all happily going around eating all their little zucchinis because there is a big, strong rooster who's like,

I will forego eating for now to make sure you can all eat safely. I love it. Would that impose any sort of role on the women? Because then that's not okay. Chicken patriarchy. I love it. You can get right up in his face and he'll still scream at you. But it's real weird.

His eyes are still, he'll be looking at you. I love it. I love that. You can get right up in his face, and he'll still scream at you. But it's real weird. Like, his eyes are still, he'll be looking at you, and he's like. I love it. I love that no one knows. Like a foot away. So we know Ian has gotten in the rooster's face. Right. I know that you've gotten, like, close to him. Yeah, I got, I was like, eye contact, you know?

Yeah. And then he got pecked, and he's like, I wish I had five feet. There was a cage between us. I love him, but he's moving. We're moving the roosters outside of my room. Oh, gosh. So I may want to murder that thing at some point. I don't know. You will. Yeah, no, you're certainly going to want to murder it. Because he's moving. We're moving the roosters outside of my room. So I may want to murder that thing at some point. I don't know. You will. You're certainly going to

want to murder it. Because he's loud at 4am sometimes. Maybe you should stop waking up at 7pm. I do keep weird hours. That's also true. We've had guests who are really excited. Like, I really want to meet Ian. I'm so excited. He's sleeping. Too bad. But I've got to leave at like 6. He's asleep.

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We must be actively anti-PETA. Yes. I love it. I love it. There you go. You rock. Thanks for coming, everyone. Ian Crossland, peace and love.

I love what you just said. I am absolutely going to steal it. Let's just pretend it was original when I say it. Shim-sham-coglin. That's a shim-sham-coglin. This has been Shimcast IRL. I want everybody to steal. Let's just pretend it was original when I say it. Shim-sham-coggle. Shim-sham-coggle. This has been Shimcast IRL. I want everybody to know it's not enough to

oppose abortion. We have to be actively anti-abortion. And thank you for watching. I know we got into some dark topics, but it was well worth it. God bless all of you. Please pray the rosary for an end to abortion and do everything that you can. Talk to people about this. If you know someone considering an abortion, be brave. Tell them that this is an unborn child.

Give them the information that they need in order to choose life. I think offer them support. Yes. You know, like be compassionate. Say, yes, I will help you if you have this child. Please, you should. Because that is a child. And what you're going to do is end their life.

Yeah. Yeah. My mother used to work in like an anti-abortion support clinic where these people would go if they were thinking about having an abortion. My mom was like, please don't have an abortion. We have these clothes. We have diapers. We have everything you need. And I thought that was wonderful because that was one of the greatest things she did.

I'm on the side of Seamus here. I don't think that anybody should have an abortion ever. So if you know somebody who's considering having an abortion, please direct them to, what's it called, Seamus? What's it called? A crisis pregnancy center. A crisis pregnancy center. It's important to know that many, many women who have had abortions say that it's because they didn't feel they had any other option. They had no other support. You have to be that support for them. That's right. Send them to a crisis pregnancy center. They will help them. I will add, I just can't stand the meme from the left

where they say, like, conservatives are pro-life until the baby's born. And I'm like, I don't think they follow any conservatives because I follow a bunch of conservatives and they're always posting about orphanages and taking care of kids and adopting and providing support and donating. And I'm like, I don't think that's true.

I think you just want to believe it's true because it kind of absolves you of some responsibility to blame someone else. Yeah, exactly. It's projection. It's projection, right, because they tend not to care all that much for the groups that they advocate for. I mean, imagine if the same standards were applied to them. They'll say things like, oh, you're pro-life.

How can you be pro-life if you haven't adopted any children? All right, well, like how many refugees have you paid to house as yourself? None of them do. I actually know many pro-life people who have adopted children i don't really know left-wing people who have put money on the table to help the marginalized groups that they claim to advocate for i know so many uh conservative people who are very pro-life and have adopted children like yeah there's gina loud Loudon. There's all kinds of people who are doing that. That's true. So, yeah. You've got to get out of that propaganda bubble, man,

because you're allowed to have whatever politics you want so long as you can recognize, like, objective reality. And we all kind of disagree on a lot of things, but at least we can have real conversations about things that we... As for this show, Nightmarish. But I'll leave it there. Did you shout out your Twitter yet? I didn't.

You guys are more than welcome to follow me at Sour Patch Lits, L-Y-D-S, on Twitter. I routinely tweet extremely pro-life things. That is my hill to die on. So that's why. Like tonight's show is definitely why that happened. So yeah, follow me there. Yeah, myself as well, at Seamus underscore Coghlan. I tweet a lot of pro-life stuff.

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